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Sat, Jul 4, 1998 (19:03) |
Mike Griggs (mikeg)
If we were to do a complete and utter overhaul of the Spring's layout, while keeping the Yapp software, what should we change?
340 responses total.
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Response 1 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jul 4, 1998 (20:15) * 5 lines
first, I guess, we would have to decide if we didn't like the current
design enough for us to change it, and second, I guess to a point it
doesn't matter as I can change my topics to look however I want...
So, does everyone want a re-design?
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Response 2 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 4, 1998 (20:23) * 5 lines
this is a hypothetical. but, from comments i've had from people "in the know" i.e. in the web trade (http://www.ntd.co.uk), i think it could do with a bit of work.
the interface can be a little clumsy at times, i find. also, it can be difficult to navigate through the topics that i read in particular conferences, without manually going through my conference list page every time. a catchup function would be nice, so that i can just catchup all the old responses in a topic at will.
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Response 3 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Jul 5, 1998 (06:16) * 8 lines
It's fine with me, I just have limited time so if folks want more system
wide design power, it can be arranged. Myretta and Nan have system wide
design change power and there are directions for making system wide
changes at
http://www.armidalesoftware.com
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Response 4 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Jul 5, 1998 (08:52) * 1 lines
I do, to, especially if I ask permission first...*wink*
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Response 5 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Jul 5, 1998 (08:53) * 1 lines
apparently I have typo power, as well...
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Response 6 of 340: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Mon, Jul 6, 1998 (14:39) * 2 lines
power is good...
i personally like power-steering and powerpushing lawnmowers
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Response 7 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Jul 6, 1998 (16:30) * 4 lines
power is good . . .
I personally like power and . . . . power . . ., and then there's
power
of course.
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Response 8 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jul 6, 1998 (22:49) * 1 lines
oh, of course...
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Response 9 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Jul 7, 1998 (01:36) * 1 lines
See? I knew you'd understand!
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Response 10 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Thu, Jul 9, 1998 (17:37) * 4 lines
hheeee cool thing. i've created my own startup page for the spring, which lives here locally on my machine. it's got the main spring page in one frame, and my conference hotlist in a small top frame. that way, i can go to any conference i like without having to go through the main page every time. it works quite well, although it has the disadvantages associated with all frame sites (no bookmarking, url not filled in etc.).
but, i'm trying it out. if anyone else would like to try it out, then please let me know.
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Response 11 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (06:02) * 3 lines
If you like, you can email me the html and I can post it in a publicly
accessible area that you can reference. Or you could put it in
http://www.spring.net/~mikeg/startpage or something like that.
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Response 12 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (22:10) * 2 lines
well. it has to be set up for each individual person at the moment; you need to cut and paste your own conf. list, until can find a way to access the one the spring produces. is that a cgi script that i can just call, or haven't you any idea?
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Response 13 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (22:30) * 2 lines
Pose this question to kaylene@armidalesoftware.com
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Response 14 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (23:55) * 7 lines
if I wasn't at home, I'd go look...and I will find it on here by tomorrow,
Sunday at the latest...oops, I have it...printed out the template for Main
Menu the other day, so the code is
<pre>%'check'</pre>
that's what makes your conf list...
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Response 15 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (23:57) * 2 lines
done. awaiting response.
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Response 16 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (23:58) * 2 lines
slippage
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Response 17 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Fri, Jul 10, 1998 (23:59) * 1 lines
oh yeah, what does the <pre;> tag do?
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Response 18 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (00:02) * 5 lines
it's for preformatted...like ascii art or the concrete poetry topic...
it's how they get all the rows to line up all nice and neat...tomorrow
I'll look and see if 'check' is a template also, and will report back
in again...I think it probably is the more I think about it, and if so,
it'll have the info you're looking for...
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Response 19 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (00:04) * 2 lines
where are these templates stored?
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Response 20 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (01:47) * 1 lines
Holy $hit!
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Response 21 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (01:47) * 2 lines
Wholly $hit?
ha-ha!
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Response 22 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (12:11) * 1 lines
how about a little text input box on the main conference page, so that one can jump instantly to any conference?
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Response 23 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (12:41) * 1 lines
I like that idea.
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Response 24 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (14:21) * 1 lines
that sounds cool...
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Response 25 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (16:45) * 1 lines
shouldn't be that hard to do, it's just a case of getting hold of the code which produces the main conference page, something which is beyond my knowledge. any ideas, wer?
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Response 26 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (17:46) * 1 lines
by the way, who likes the standard backgroud, "chalk.jpg" ?
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Response 27 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (17:49) * 1 lines
pick me, pick me......(i hate it, really)
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Response 28 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (17:54) * 2 lines
:)
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Response 29 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (18:19) * 3 lines
PPPLLLEEEUUUUGGGGHHH!!!
YUKSIES!
�sticking tongue out�
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Response 30 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (19:19) * 1 lines
just one more "no", and i'll feel confident of being multilateral enough to suggest that we change it.
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Response 31 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (19:29) * 1 lines
How about just plain white?
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Response 32 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (20:25) * 5 lines
well, i tried it in Babes, and to be honest, it doesn't look as good as i expected it to. it looks lovely in Engaged apps, but for some reason not here. i don't think the <hr;> tag goes particularly well with plain white.
how about something plain, but with a distant "spring.net" in it? that's what i've tried out here, and the first results are OK. dunno if that's the best solution, though. try the white. see what it looks like. i'll try it here, too.
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Response 33 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (20:35) * 7 lines
two things.
firstly, the white looks nasty, imho. how about a light blue? i've dialed up #22ccdd here, and it looks quite nice - restrained, and compliments the darker blue links to confs etc.
secondly, can anyone supply me with a decent fixedwidth font? the standard one i have is courier, and it's bloody horrible. i'm now using typewriter something or other, which is better, but a bit spaceage and weird looking.
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Response 34 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (20:39) * 2 lines
i've found the code which produces the main page. or rather, the template. however, it's a bit CGI-ey and scarey, so adding the "shortcut" box may be a little difficult. or at least tricky.
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Response 35 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (20:41) * 2 lines
i think it's time i learnt perl...
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Response 36 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jul 11, 1998 (23:04) * 5 lines
the place up in Michigan uses the dialog box for conferences,
went and got their code today, just haven't had time to do
any experiments with it yet...let me find the cool font site,
and get the url to you Mike so you can picka one for yourself...
the light blue is fine by me...
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Response 37 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (01:51) * 2 lines
You guys are beginning to frighten me! Sounds like you speak some
secret language all the time.
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Response 38 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (09:32) * 1 lines
hehe :))
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Response 39 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Sun, Jul 12, 1998 (10:33) * 1 lines
wer, wouldja post that cool font site? puhleeeeeeze!
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Response 40 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (00:20) * 5 lines
this is a link page to tons o' font sites...
http://members.tripod.com/~service97/sf-font.html
happy hunting!
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Response 41 of 340: Myretta (mrobens) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (07:23) * 5 lines
Just thought I'd put in a couple of comments about colors and fonts on the web. Both of these are browser dependent so there are some real limititations to what you can do with them. The only fonts that will appear on a web page are the ones that are supported by your browser when you look at the options selection for fonts. And what is supported by your browser may not be supported by the rest of the people looking at the page. If you want to be sure everyone is seeing the same thing, it is best to l
ok for something that is universal (Times New Roman - boring but everyone has it - for example). The way to get around this is to put the font you want to use into a graphic (a .gif or .jpg) and then put the graphic on your page. Colors, too, vary from browser to browser. The colors which are consistent across all platforms can be found on the web. One such site is:
http://www2.jens.com/~selkirk/courses/toolbox/style/colors2.html
Hope you don't mind my butting in, but I thought a couple of tips might be helpful if you are just starting off.
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Response 42 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (18:08) * 1 lines
no butting done here, thanks for the info!
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Response 43 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (19:47) * 2 lines
the comment was made about non-proportional fonts, to be used locally, to replace my rather boring Courier used for the <PRE;> info
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Response 44 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (20:05) * 1 lines
well, seems no matter what i do to the font front command, it stays the same (at my website)
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Response 45 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (20:19) * 4 lines
let me know if I can help. the way to change the non-prop font globally is to use the Options in your browser (e.g. Netscape. Options menu/General Preferences/Fonts).
i can't remember how to change the non-prop font with an HTML tag, although I do remember it's possible. might be worth looking that one up (time I got myself a list of all the HTML tags and options, I think)
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Response 46 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (20:43) * 3 lines
well, while i've got you here *heehee* can you tell me what the code is to change
background color? i've tried the standard html code but it doesn't work here. am i
supposed to go into the rc file or what?
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Response 47 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (21:00) * 2 lines
as a conference host? if you're a conference host, you need to edit the rc file - i think the additions needed are in "Creating a host help-pack", so look in there. if you mean in general, then you can't - it's fixed in the software until we can convince terry to change it for us :)
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Response 48 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (21:26) * 6 lines
hmmm...a thought. some people seem to have worked out the rather intricate URLs needed to link to another conference/topic/posting, while others haven't. how about something in the HTML interpreter commandy thing which allows easy linking to another conf/topic/posting? something like :
Well, if you look in [topic::23] you'll find the info, with [topic::23] being turned into an HTML link to that topic?
that one's probably better passed onto the YAPP people themselves, i guess.
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Response 49 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Jul 13, 1998 (21:55) * 1 lines
yeah, as a conference host. ok, i'll have to go look in there!
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Response 50 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (13:05) * 3 lines
We need a conference manager! Anyone want to nominate someone or
volunteer. Does require some basic knowledge of Yapp and UNIX.
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Response 51 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (13:19) * 1 lines
ummm me? :-)))
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Response 52 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (14:46) * 3 lines
Okay, okay, no need to go through the embarassing asking business.
Sure I'll DO it, Terry.
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Response 53 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (17:08) * 1 lines
sign me up, also, I guess...
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Response 54 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (17:18) * 3 lines
We can have more than one. There will be a discussion of how this works
in email, at least, the technical details.
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Response 55 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Jul 14, 1998 (19:16) * 1 lines
before i answer, what is a conference manager?
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Response 56 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (01:22) * 3 lines
Hey, hey, I wasn't serious!!!! I know bugger-all about Yapp and that sort of
crap. Mike and Wer and Wolf coud be conference managers - I'll just
bust your screens.
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Response 57 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (01:23) * 2 lines
Wouldn't mind being conference manager though if I could be the one to
tell people to stop swearing . . .
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Response 58 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (08:21) * 1 lines
*lol*
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Response 59 of 340: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (13:11) * 2 lines
That's MY job...
*grin*
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Response 60 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (13:20) * 2 lines
I thought your job was...
*hopeful grin*
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Response 61 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (14:26) * 1 lines
Actually that's her game . . .
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Response 62 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jul 15, 1998 (23:46) * 4 lines
Got it!
anyway, got your blue suggestion working in news, Mike,
so very body go by and see what you think...of course,
come back here and share those thoughts, por favor...
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Response 63 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Thu, Jul 16, 1998 (14:02) * 2 lines
nice one :) i'll drop by.
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Response 64 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Thu, Jul 16, 1998 (14:03) * 2 lines
well, yeah, it's ok. what does everyone else think?
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Response 65 of 340: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jul 16, 1998 (15:56) * 1 lines
purty...
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Response 66 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Thu, Jul 16, 1998 (18:25) * 2 lines
any chance of us getting the code over for both the frames and the "goto conference" shortcut box, wer? anyone else?
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Response 67 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 16, 1998 (22:15) * 2 lines
not sure...gotta ask Terry as I don't have
write permission...
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Response 68 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jul 17, 1998 (05:38) * 6 lines
Email jeff@spring.net. He's our system admin type guy. He was just here
earlier this evening. He can fix you up.
By the way, Jeff is building a Kick Butt new spring machine. Pentium,
64mb ram, 8 gb hard drive, etc. We're gonna test it for a spell before
we put it on line. But it could be our new conferencing, website box.
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Response 69 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Jul 17, 1998 (10:32) * 1 lines
Jeff must be a very, very clever man.
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Response 70 of 340: Jeff Kramer (jeff) * Fri, Jul 17, 1998 (17:08) * 1 lines
I have no response to that...
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Response 71 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 17, 1998 (23:57) * 1 lines
a dollar says you do...
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Response 72 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Jul 18, 1998 (01:12) * 2 lines
Let the man be modest if he wants to be modest, Wer.
Suppose your argument would now be that it is hard to be honest AND modest at the same time . . . !
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Response 73 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sat, Jul 18, 1998 (01:24) * 2 lines
Jeff says the machine is up now and lookin' good so far. We're gonna
test it for a spell before we put anything critical on it.
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Response 74 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sat, Jul 18, 1998 (04:15) * 1 lines
sounds brill :)) I built my own p166 system here, so I know what "fun" that can be =)
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Response 75 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (10:05) * 1 lines
First reports are that it's a stable machine, even running in a room w/o a/c.
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Response 76 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (11:07) * 5 lines
Oh, no!
w/o
a/c
????
Could you translate that into English please?
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Response 77 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (12:52) * 6 lines
without air conditioning.
Something people around here can't seem to live without. Except maybe
Jeff and his machines.
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Response 78 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (13:10) * 2 lines
oh
Will you grant me permission to ask one stupid question, please.
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Response 79 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (14:12) * 1 lines
Permission granted, mademoiselle.
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Response 80 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (14:52) * 1 lines
Is the spring like an organization? Or a co�peration kind of thing with lots of people working there, where you are the big boss? And if so, does that make YOU the person who tells us to go away if we swear too much? Stacey said there was someone like that. Are you that person?
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Response 81 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (15:07) * 2 lines
We're a loosely knit co-op and I pretty much supply everyting and keep it
running, I'm not very dictatorial though.
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Response 82 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (16:17) * 2 lines
how is it all paid for, may i ask...?
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Response 83 of 340: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (16:58) * 5 lines
i've always wanted to ask terry that myself.
i keep thinking that he'll go into a Brando/Godfather impersonation and
say, "Listen, don't ask me about my bizness."
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Response 84 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (17:07) * 6 lines
I pay for it all, but hopefully we'll figure out a better model than
that! Suggestions??? Should we have a pledge drive? I could clearly
explain what it costs to run this place and we could try and raise some
funds that way. Or we could expand our web business with volunteer help
form our users.
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Response 85 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (17:10) * 1 lines
i think we should have a pledge drive. if the spring were to offer mikeg@thespring.com as an e-mail address, i'd cancel my WELL account and pay $15 a month here.
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Response 86 of 340: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (22:40) * 1 lines
Or we could sell pizzas, candy bars and overpriced wrapping paper!
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Response 87 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jul 20, 1998 (23:44) * 1 lines
We already have hundreds of folks with email addresses here.
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Response 88 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jul 21, 1998 (00:20) * 1 lines
yeah...if you've got a telnet account you have an e-mail address here, Mike...
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Response 89 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Tue, Jul 21, 1998 (03:59) * 1 lines
yeah, but mikeg@www.spring.net is not quite as cool as mikeg@well.com. know that spring.com has been sold, I guess the closest might be mikeg@thespring.com, which I'd pay $15 a month for :)
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Response 90 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Jul 21, 1998 (05:51) * 3 lines
I've got an idea how we can have fun and raise a bit of money for the spring as the spring people. There's going to be that big spring party next year, right? What if we all came a day or so in advance, have a huge cake baking, popcorn popping get together the first day. Sell these at a huge stall with lots of music and colourful ribbons and baloons, and at a 100% profit the next day and have the party on the third day! You know, like in school, but alot bigger! Popcorn put me through four years of s
udy at a conservatorium when I was in school, so it's the only practical idea I can come up with - sorry if it sounds childish.
And the rest of the time, why don't you just ask us for donations, Terry? I'd be willing to, because the spring is important.
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Response 91 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jul 21, 1998 (06:31) * 8 lines
Mike, you can use either mikeg@thespring.com or mikeg@spring.net, they
both work. For that matter, you're also mikeg@childrenstory.com and
mikeg@tvpc.com, and mikeg@babeoftheweek.com. Got it any other cool names
we can register. Hey, idea! Let's all brainstorm up some great names
that we can either develope into websites or sell to make some money to
keep the Spring going. I'll open a topic!
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Response 92 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Jul 21, 1998 (07:20) * 1 lines
No, this is confusing! Remember, Autumn and me don't do the computer thing so well.
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Response 93 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jul 21, 1998 (08:37) * 1 lines
but, you do it over the computer just fine...
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Response 94 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Tue, Jul 21, 1998 (10:10) * 1 lines
This part is pretty straight forward. It is when those secret CIA intelligence codes start popping up that our peas start popping around frantically.
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Response 95 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jul 22, 1998 (13:52) * 7 lines
oooh...I hate it when my peas pop frantically...
so, Terry, if I wanted to "fix" the templates around here, I would just send
the "corrected" ones to Jeff and he'd put them in?
oh, and have you gotten any farther with the conference mangager thingy?
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Response 96 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jul 22, 1998 (14:47) * 2 lines
Call me tonight and I'll set you up and explain to you how it works.
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Response 97 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jul 22, 1998 (17:47) * 1 lines
Got it...when is too late?
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Response 98 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jul 22, 1998 (19:55) * 3 lines
It's too early now, in a coupla' hours when I get back from dinner. You
see, Stacey made me hungry.
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Response 99 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jul 22, 1998 (22:09) * 1 lines
understand that! just got back from Hyde Park Bar & Grill...
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Response 100 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jul 23, 1998 (09:24) * 1 lines
Missed you last night, try again tonight.
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Response 101 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 23, 1998 (10:46) * 2 lines
at work tonight...will call when I get home,
probably between 10:30 and 11...
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Response 102 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jul 23, 1998 (11:48) * 2 lines
Sounds good.
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Response 103 of 340: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Jul 23, 1998 (18:45) * 1 lines
when I made ya hungry Paul... what were you craving?!?!
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Response 104 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 23, 1998 (23:05) * 1 lines
probably something different than I was...
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Response 105 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jul 24, 1998 (05:38) * 2 lines
I wasn't even thinking about food till I read your post, then zoom, off
to the races.
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Response 106 of 340: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, Jul 24, 1998 (05:38) * 1 lines
perhaps our design should also contain food and sex to provide a clearer image of Spring inhabitants!
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Response 107 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Jul 24, 1998 (05:38) * 1 lines
WOO WOO!!!
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Response 108 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Jul 29, 1998 (05:24) * 1 lines
Hell, then I'll just do a spurting willy!!!
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Response 109 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Jul 29, 1998 (05:25) * 1 lines
AFter all, willies count as food too, right?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 110 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jul 29, 1998 (08:53) * 2 lines
Remember the spermy looking logo we had for a while, a cross between a
noctural emission and an oil gusher?
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Response 111 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jul 30, 1998 (22:55) * 8 lines
such intriguing images...
to get the text box conf link done, I've gotta rework the list template...
haven't gone to armidale to get it yet, and not sure if I can figure it
out myself, yet...
am starting work on template re-design, so if there is something else
that you all want, speak up...
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Response 112 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Aug 5, 1998 (14:23) * 1 lines
No, a willy will do just fine, thank you.
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Response 113 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (07:59) * 2 lines
There's a link to your spiffy new search page
on main now, Terry...
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Response 114 of 340: L.SMITH (LADY) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (08:17) * 1 lines
HELLO HOW SOES THIS WORK IS ANY ONE HERE?
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Response 115 of 340: L.SMITH (LADY) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (08:18) * 2 lines
SOME ONE (((((((((( HELP!! )))))))))))
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Response 116 of 340: wer (wer) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (08:20) * 8 lines
Are you still here?
It's a bulletin boardish kinda thing.
Post a message, as above, and come
back at your earliest convenience and
see if anyone has responded...
Welcome! Hope you stay around here awhile...
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Response 117 of 340: L.SMITH (LADY) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (08:26) * 2 lines
IS SOME ONE HERE THIS IS SO WEIRD I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY CAHT PLACE LIKE THIS ?
I thought this was live chat. THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE MAN!!!!!!
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Response 118 of 340: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (08:41) * 9 lines
hi lady! nope this aint live chat. this is asynchronous, bulletin
board style communication ala the WeLL. check out
http://www.spring.net
to learn more any maybe even http://www.well.com
hope to see you around some more!!
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Response 119 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (08:41) * 3 lines
yes, lady, and do stop shouting (caps on)! sometimes a group of us are on-line at
the same time and that's cool! but it's fun to post something and then come back
later and see what happened next!
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Response 120 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (08:41) * 3 lines
It is something else, Lady. Not chat for sure. Something more
intelligible and focused hopefully.
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Response 121 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (20:49) * 2 lines
even with our ramblings he finds us intelligent! well, hey, we're edgy and cooool!
i don't know who revamped this place but it looks good. very soothing to me...
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Response 122 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Sep 1, 1998 (23:10) * 1 lines
thanks...
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Response 123 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Wed, Sep 2, 1998 (01:11) * 1 lines
Mighty mighty good!!! Man!
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Response 124 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Wed, Sep 2, 1998 (10:28) * 2 lines
if this kind of stuff comes out of your head, wer, then we have nothing at all
to fear. does ya needs to blab?
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Response 125 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Sep 2, 1998 (10:44) * 3 lines
actually, just changed the page to mirror
Terry's index and search pages...trying
for that continuity thang...
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Response 126 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Sep 2, 1998 (10:46) * 3 lines
and as to blabbing, no but thanks,
that's what I'm working on controlling
at the moment...
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Response 127 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Wed, Sep 2, 1998 (13:10) * 1 lines
gotcha! well, the breaks are different, aren't they? doesn't matter, i like it anyway!
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Response 128 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (00:52) * 3 lines
so, do you all like the looks in here enough for me
to make it the new default for the Spring as a whole?
(at least for awhile, anyway...)
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Response 129 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (01:41) * 3 lines
It's great, but don't ya touch my conference!!!! I'll turn you into another kind of default with alot of stripes, and a very silly logo on those broad shoulder o' yours!
No I just find it sort of nice that all the conferences have identities of their own. Like, I can't imagine Genx without our lovable puppy! It just so suits that conference - I can't somehow get excited over the leaves (which look so great here!!) replacing our puppy!
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Response 130 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (08:14) * 2 lines
how about making it the default for conferences that don't already have a
nice background?
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Response 131 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (08:48) * 6 lines
that's what I said...the default...
will show in all the conferences where
a lovable host hasn't messed with the
rc file, and will show on Main Menu...
speaking of, has anyone noticed the
Personalized for line?
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Response 132 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (09:10) * 2 lines
yes i did, was that you? what's the scholar thingy? or should i just click and go
there?
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Response 133 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (09:14) * 1 lines
Click and go, Baby!
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Response 134 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (11:16) * 3 lines
Oh! I'm terribly sorry, Wer! I misunderstood!
WHERE is the personalized for line? Damn, my head is thick as a mud ball at the moment - just can't think straight.
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Response 135 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Sep 3, 1998 (17:15) * 3 lines
http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/main
right under the words Main Menu...
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Response 136 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Sep 4, 1998 (03:45) * 1 lines
Oh, I found it! You've got great moves, Wer!
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Response 137 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Fri, Sep 4, 1998 (03:45) * 1 lines
We should change the name of this topic to 'Spring re-vamp'!
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Response 138 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Sep 9, 1998 (22:55) * 2 lines
So, how "commercial" do you all mind this place looking?
What doesn't anyone want me to do?
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Response 139 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Thu, Sep 10, 1998 (05:39) * 1 lines
I so, go right over the top, Muffin!
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Response 140 of 340: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Thu, Sep 10, 1998 (20:39) * 1 lines
No tacky plastic crap. Anything else is OK!
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Response 141 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Sep 12, 1998 (01:15) * 1 lines
You mean and Edwardian feel would not delight the Moore heart?
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Response 142 of 340: wer (wer) * Sat, Sep 12, 1998 (10:32) * 1 lines
I thought Othellian feels lit the Moor heart...
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Response 143 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sun, Sep 13, 1998 (02:59) * 1 lines
ha-ha!
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Response 144 of 340: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Sun, Sep 13, 1998 (20:53) * 1 lines
Now there's a real man! He can light my fire anyday...
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Response 145 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Fri, Sep 18, 1998 (05:35) * 1 lines
The place is looking nice :)
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Response 146 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Sep 23, 1998 (05:29) * 4 lines
Thanks, Mike, still can't get some things to work, however...
Terry, got you options for the last 50, 100, 333, and 500 posts
in case you're not webbing in...
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Response 147 of 340: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Wed, Sep 23, 1998 (16:49) * 1 lines
333? What an intriguing number...how did you arrive at that, mike?
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Response 148 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Wed, Sep 23, 1998 (18:18) * 2 lines
um i didn't - wer did :)
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Response 149 of 340: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Wed, Sep 23, 1998 (20:44) * 1 lines
oops, I meant wer.
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Response 150 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Sep 24, 1998 (09:03) * 3 lines
um, Terry asked for the last 100 and last 500, so I figured
someone sometime might want something inbetween, so why not
333? I mean, it is a lot cooler than say 250 or plain old 300...
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Response 151 of 340: Autumn Moore (autumn) * Fri, Sep 25, 1998 (12:47) * 1 lines
Ah...curiosity satisfied! 333 is both edgy and cool, don'tcha think?
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Response 152 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Sep 25, 1998 (12:53) * 1 lines
exactly!
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Response 153 of 340: Riette Walton (riette) * Sat, Sep 26, 1998 (00:44) * 1 lines
You're sooooooo cool, Wer! Were you born that way, or moulded?
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Response 154 of 340: wer (wer) * Sat, Jan 9, 1999 (00:40) * 1 lines
yes...
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Response 155 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Jan 17, 1999 (13:30) * 6 lines
Working on a Link to Us page, with different banners and buttons
for people to use to link back to the Spring with...if anyone has
any banners for me to put up on said page, e-mail them to me at
rotazo@aol.com, or ftp'em to your favorite server and e-mail me
their urls...oh, and a for example
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Response 156 of 340: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Sun, Jan 17, 1999 (18:23) * 3 lines
wer, i have a cheesy one i made for my website at http://www.ratthing.com
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Response 157 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Jan 17, 1999 (22:32) * 3 lines
got it, Ray, see...
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Response 158 of 340: Amy (amy) * Mon, Jan 18, 1999 (08:08) * 1 lines
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Response 159 of 340: Ray Lopez (ratthing) * Mon, Jan 18, 1999 (09:52) * 3 lines
i like that one a lot!
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Response 160 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Mon, Jan 18, 1999 (21:54) * 1 lines
me, too! Thanks, Amy!
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Response 161 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jan 20, 1999 (17:51) * 5 lines
rough draft of the link to us page is up at
http://www.spring.net/~cfadm/links/
peruse, use, and send me submissions!!!
and again, thanks Amy and Ray...
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Response 162 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jan 20, 1999 (17:52) * 1 lines
oh, yeah, be patient as it takes a little while to load...
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Response 163 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jan 20, 1999 (17:52) * 5 lines
rough draft of the link to us page is up at
http://www.spring.net/~cfadm/links/
peruse, use, and send me submissions!!!
and again, thanks Amy and Ray...
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Response 164 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Jan 20, 1999 (20:53) * 2 lines
I like the one that says "... in a friendly atmosphere". Maybe one that
says "What do you want to talk about today?"
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Response 165 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Jan 20, 1999 (21:53) * 1 lines
gotcha, Boss!
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Response 166 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Wed, Feb 3, 1999 (16:09) * 1 lines
i really liked the one on #158. but let me go back and check out the ones up at spring-links....
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Response 167 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Wed, Feb 3, 1999 (16:12) * 1 lines
ok...i like 'em all....maybe we can just let the person choose a scheme to match their page or their liking? you guys did a good job!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 168 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Feb 3, 1999 (17:54) * 1 lines
that was my thought...still need to make the "Watcha wanna talk 'bout?" one...
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Response 169 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Feb 4, 1999 (09:00) * 1 lines
yep, yep!
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Response 170 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Feb 4, 1999 (17:03) * 1 lines
see!
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Response 171 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Feb 27, 1999 (11:01) * 1 lines
If we don't make some changes, the status quo will remain the same.
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Response 172 of 340: wer (wer) * Tue, Mar 30, 1999 (00:19) * 4 lines
hey...I want to put up the spring cam on main...do you all want a
snapshot of what is playing, or do you want me to make the whole
main menu refresh, and if so, how fast do you want it?
(my guess would be somewhere between 45 and 60 seconds...)
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Response 173 of 340: wer (wer) * Tue, Mar 30, 1999 (00:21) * 4 lines
still working on your banner, Terry...speaking of, do you
have any cool graphics programs I can use and/or Frontpage98?
(got a new, cool computer at home and can telnet and ftp and...
and everything!!! well, almost...)
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Response 174 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Mar 30, 1999 (10:25) * 3 lines
Yep, I'll be glad to help you get set up. Let me know when to come by.
Or you can come by here and I'll get you what you need.
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Response 175 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Mar 30, 1999 (17:58) * 1 lines
kil-ler
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Response 176 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Mar 31, 1999 (08:54) * 1 lines
No problem. Give me a call!
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Response 177 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 1, 1999 (00:37) * 1 lines
I will...as to when, ?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 178 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Apr 1, 1999 (08:07) * 2 lines
Anytime, this weekends good.
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Response 179 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 1, 1999 (09:06) * 7 lines
about the main index page where you want the last responses to go:
how does everyone feel about splash pages?
it's the easiest way to do it (frames would be next easiest)
as I have to write a template and script for the page
to include the last response thang...I'm also gonna put
the last response pages over in public for more universal
access...
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Response 180 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Thu, Apr 1, 1999 (17:21) * 1 lines
I achieved nothing, but in a very nice way....reminisced about depression and what it felt like...odd.
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Response 181 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, Apr 1, 1999 (18:04) * 1 lines
this place looks great! (hi mike)
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 182 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 1, 1999 (20:30) * 3 lines
and I thought odd was what I felt like...
Hiya, Mike! Hiya, Wolf!
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Response 183 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Apr 2, 1999 (01:01) * 3 lines
as to a splash page...
what do you all think about
http://www.spring.net/~spew/ndex.html
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Response 184 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Apr 2, 1999 (08:13) * 5 lines
It's good.
Now, if you could have those last 10 posts that folks could click on the
main page. Can you create a test page for this?
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Response 185 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Apr 2, 1999 (10:24) * 1 lines
I think so...
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Response 186 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Fri, Apr 2, 1999 (10:45) * 4 lines
and for a second version of splash, see
http://www.spring.net/~spew/ndex2.html
(I like this one better...)
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Response 187 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sun, Apr 4, 1999 (14:06) * 1 lines
i love ndex.html wer....not so sure about ndex2.html
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Response 188 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Apr 4, 1999 (18:36) * 2 lines
thank you, Mike
got a third version running around in my head, as well...
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Response 189 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Sat, Apr 17, 1999 (10:43) * 1 lines
wer, i like em both! harder to read the second one, but the water goes well with the theme!
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Response 190 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Apr 19, 1999 (18:17) * 1 lines
I was thinking, I could write some Javascript that would allow us to "see" who was here via the web as well as via telnet. anyone fancy that?
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Response 191 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Tue, Apr 20, 1999 (18:35) * 1 lines
no comments?
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Response 192 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Apr 20, 1999 (19:35) * 2 lines
just now am seeing it...sure, if it don't crash stuff like,
oh say, Navigator 2.0...
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Response 193 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Apr 20, 1999 (19:48) * 1 lines
i don't know what that mumbo jumbo means so i can't comment. oh, wait...huh?
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Response 194 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Wed, Apr 21, 1999 (14:47) * 1 lines
what version of javascript does netscape 2 have wer?
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Response 195 of 340: Autumn (autumn) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (00:14) * 1 lines
(*paranoid*) Are you guys making fun of me?! I'm so computer-illiterate I can't even tell!
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Response 196 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (00:27) * 3 lines
2 is before Java, I think, Mike...
Autumn, would I do that?
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Response 197 of 340: Autumn (autumn) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (00:41) * 1 lines
Methinks you would, with relish...
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Response 198 of 340: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Thu, Apr 22, 1999 (10:59) * 2 lines
only briefly...
*grin*
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Response 199 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Apr 25, 1999 (23:37) * 2 lines
I was wrong, Mike, Navigator 2.0 was the first to support
Javascript...don't know the version, though...
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Response 200 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Mon, Apr 26, 1999 (05:00) * 3 lines
1.0, I would guess
I sent you email asking for create access in /usr/bbs/www - did you get it?
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Response 201 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Apr 26, 1999 (20:21) * 1 lines
and look who got to be 200!
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Response 202 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Apr 27, 1999 (01:08) * 2 lines
yep...will send you the info later today (Tuesday)...
(haven't gone to sleep yet so my body thinks it is Monday still...)
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Response 203 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Wed, Apr 28, 1999 (18:35) * 2 lines
thanks for the write acces, wer. unfortunately i don't seem to be able to get the yapp interpreter thingy to do any pages correctly. for example, i have created a page "test" in /usr/bbs/www that is basically a copy of "userinfo", also in that directory. yet, they come out completely differently...i'm very confused :) any suggestions would be most helpful.
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Response 204 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Wed, Apr 28, 1999 (19:59) * 1 lines
aha...got it working in a rudimentary way. just got to add some bells and whistles and it'll be up anmd running!
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Response 205 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Wed, Apr 28, 1999 (20:07) * 1 lines
at the Armidalesoftware web site (http:/www.armidalesoftware.com) there are controls for "hide, edit, delete" on postings that you've made yourself. can we implement that here?
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Response 206 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Wed, Apr 28, 1999 (23:08) * 2 lines
maybe...I have trouble making some things work on here, too...
maybe I'll have more time to sort it all out when I'm unemployed...
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Response 207 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 6, 1999 (01:27) * 8 lines
anyway...
Attention all hosts!!!
I would like to add the goto search bar to the main(browse) page
for each conference.
Does anyone have a problem with that?
(if so, I'll add it so that you can turn it off if you want to...
however, since it only generates 2 cents a use, it would be nice
to have it up and running in as many places as possible...)
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Response 208 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Thu, May 6, 1999 (15:59) * 1 lines
as long as it opens a new browser window - we don't want ppl straying from the Spring!!
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Response 209 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, May 6, 1999 (16:13) * 1 lines
let's do it!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 210 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 6, 1999 (18:07) * 1 lines
all of us stray, Mike...
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Response 211 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Sun, May 9, 1999 (12:45) * 2 lines
... but we live to regret it! NEW BROWSER WINDOW N O W !
(Hi Wer!)
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Response 212 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (08:18) * 0 lines
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Response 213 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (08:21) * 0 lines
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Response 214 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (08:22) * 2 lines
this topic is not playing nice today!!!
(gotta go to work now...will try again later...)
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Response 215 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (08:56) * 1 lines
"Go to Work" - ?
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Response 216 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (12:19) * 0 lines
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Response 217 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (12:25) * 1 lines
yep...I'm temping for a state agency...
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Response 218 of 340: wer (wer) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (12:31) * 247 lines
Traffic
The Spring
From 04/12/1999 To 05/19/1999
Transaction Day |
Transaction Date |
Impressions |
Click Throughs |
Click to Impression % |
|---|
Sunday |
04/18/1999 |
5 |
2 |
40.000% |
Monday |
04/19/1999 |
65 |
3 |
4.615% |
Tuesday |
04/20/1999 |
59 |
3 |
5.085% |
Wednesday |
04/21/1999 |
59 |
0 |
.000% |
Thursday |
04/22/1999 |
117 |
16 |
13.675% |
Friday |
04/23/1999 |
65 |
10 |
15.385% |
Saturday |
04/24/1999 |
42 |
5 |
11.905% |
Sunday |
04/25/1999 |
56 |
1 |
1.786% |
Monday |
04/26/1999 |
51 |
0 |
.000% |
Tuesday |
04/27/1999 |
80 |
5 |
6.250% |
Wednesday |
04/28/1999 |
75 |
0 |
.000% |
Thursday |
04/29/1999 |
67 |
4 |
5.970% |
Friday |
04/30/1999 |
45 |
3 |
6.667% |
Saturday |
05/01/1999 |
50 |
2 |
4.000% |
Sunday |
05/02/1999 |
48 |
2 |
4.167% |
Monday |
05/03/1999 |
45 |
1 |
2.222% |
Tuesday |
05/04/1999 |
38 |
0 |
.000% |
Wednesday |
05/05/1999 |
38 |
0 |
.000% |
Thursday |
05/06/1999 |
44 |
0 |
.000% |
Friday |
05/07/1999 |
59 |
5 |
8.475% |
Saturday |
05/08/1999 |
37 |
1 |
2.703% |
Sunday |
05/09/1999 |
40 |
1 |
2.500% |
Monday |
05/10/1999 |
57 |
4 |
7.018% |
Tuesday |
05/11/1999 |
64 |
2 |
3.125% |
Wednesday |
05/12/1999 |
61 |
0 |
.000% |
Thursday |
05/13/1999 |
59 |
4 |
6.780% |
Friday |
05/14/1999 |
55 |
1 |
1.818% |
Saturday |
05/15/1999 |
36 |
1 |
2.778% |
Sunday |
05/16/1999 |
41 |
0 |
.000% |
Monday |
05/17/1999 |
55 |
1 |
1.818% |
Tuesday |
05/18/1999 |
61 |
0 |
.000% |
Wednesday |
05/19/1999 |
63 |
3 |
4.762% |
Grand Totals |
1,737 |
80 |
4.606% |
.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 219 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (12:36) * 3 lines
my apologies to everyone...I will edit out the white space when I get home...
I don't have ftp on my laptop at work, and forgot how to ftp through Internet
Explorer and have never really learned how to ftp over telnet yet...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 220 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (12:40) * 3 lines
"A laptop at work" - my, Wer, that's looking good!
You sure about the "temping"? Might that not rather be "tempting"? What are you doing there?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 221 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (12:42) * 3 lines
got a laptop and a docking station...even got a desk and half an office!!!
updating, proofreading, and editing their Intranet pages...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 222 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (12:47) * 2 lines
speaking of work, thanks for lunch, Alexander, time for me to hit
the keyboard again...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 223 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (12:48) * 5 lines
...a real IT job! Do they pay?
Wer, this is what I thought a while ago - everybody should throw money together to keep you off the streets (=make them safer, you know). So, if the state helps to combine the Texas citizens tax money to make Austin a better place, what can I say? All Power to that place's human resources dept.!
(How do you feel?)
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Response 224 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (13:19) * 1 lines
wer with a laptop and not a wooden spoon.....hmmmm, well, do ya have any kitchen utensils hanging on the wall behind your desk? you know, so you can remember where you came from? *grin*
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 225 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (14:59) * 6 lines
I'm making a little more a week than I was cooking with all my evenings and
weekends free and about twenty hours a week less of work...I even wear nice
clothes to work now...
and no, Wolf, they all think I've done this kind of work for real before,
so I haven't let them in on the "big secret"...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 226 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (16:06) * 1 lines
(How do you feel?)
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 227 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (16:34) * 3 lines
(still haven't quite adjusted to the radical environmental changes,
and until the checks start coming in, there's always the bein'broke stress,
but my appetite is back and my smoking has been cut roughly in half...)
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 228 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Thu, May 20, 1999 (16:52) * 1 lines
no doubt due to lack of fundage! hang in there guy, we're pulling for you *hugz*
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 229 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Fri, May 21, 1999 (04:32) * 5 lines
Hey, Wer, cut all that smoking!
A girl I know at a label, she quit smoking and a year later she had the cash for a three week holiday in California, meeting people, seeing bands, having fun, cruising Bay Area. Would that count as incentive?
(Wolf, I'm with with you - but what am I pulling here? Somebody's leg?)
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 230 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Fri, May 21, 1999 (04:32) * 1 lines
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 231 of 340: Stacey Vura (stacey) * Fri, May 21, 1999 (08:57) * 1 lines
Woo Woo WER!!!!
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Response 232 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sun, May 23, 1999 (04:54) * 2 lines
Just had a bit of a thought whilst I was playing around in the web interface. If you run in 640*256 then the slide on the main page is pretty big. It would be easy to tailor the main page so that the image was scaled to fit screen resolutions - just a tiny bit of javascript does it. Also, we could implement an option whereby each user could choose whether they wanted the slide on their main page or not (I, for example, don't particularly). Again, easy to do with a web browser cookie. I'd be happy to
o both of these things.
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Response 233 of 340: Mike Griggs (mikeg) * Sun, May 23, 1999 (05:01) * 1 lines
obviously that should be 640*480 :)
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Response 234 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, May 23, 1999 (13:00) * 1 lines
'tis worth a shot I 'spose...
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Response 235 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Jun 13, 1999 (13:31) * 6 lines
what do you all think of
http://access.spring.net/~wer/test/index.html
as a new main page for
http://www.spring.net/
???
(not everything on it works as of this post 'cause it's still a demo...)
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Response 236 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jun 15, 1999 (12:30) * 17 lines
Good stuff!
Maybe the conferences could run down the whole page and the Log in / join
/help could be narrower.
Opening several new domains:
http://www.tvshows.com
http://www.bioregion.com
http://www.workontheweb.com
and more!
Needless, to say, I need all the design help I can get... Thanks much,
wer!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 237 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jun 15, 1999 (13:27) * 3 lines
tell me when and/or where,
and let me know when to come
over if I need some training!
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Response 238 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Wed, Jun 16, 1999 (21:39) * 1 lines
wer, you're a genius! i love your design!!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 239 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jun 17, 1999 (00:07) * 1 lines
thanks
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 240 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jun 17, 1999 (10:00) * 4 lines
Come over any time you have a chance, we've got a whole living room full
of systems waiting for design talent. We can hot rod up a system to your
specs.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 241 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Jun 17, 1999 (10:06) * 3 lines
Uh, Terry, you sure you want to do that? Rigging a kit to meet Wer's specs must be really challenging... He's such a DEMANDING and EXPECTANT person...
Try to get a decent wig for the case to start with. And cool shades.
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Response 242 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jun 17, 1999 (14:43) * 1 lines
yep...those are a must!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 243 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Jun 17, 1999 (17:02) * 6 lines
check http://access.spring.net/~wer/test/index.html
again, guys, as I got rid of the borders
and stretched out the conferences list,
as per Terry's request.
is sometime around 6 tonight okay, Terry?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 244 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Jun 18, 1999 (10:41) * 2 lines
That's ok! You can even work out by the pool now.
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Response 245 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Fri, Jun 18, 1999 (11:05) * 1 lines
i like it, wer, just one thing, about the scroll bars around the picture and the yellow line inbetween the spring cam and the info about spring cam....can those be removed? i love the scrolling sidebar with the topics alphabetized, much easier!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 246 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Fri, Jun 18, 1999 (14:17) * 1 lines
Terry, paint her toes, too... You guys have fun! And Wer, don't rub the sun lotion to strong into the mainboard, when you get worked up, ok? Like, don't pour it on, buddy!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 247 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jun 19, 1999 (12:15) * 6 lines
because of monitor sizes, and using minimized windows, Wolf, I can't
get rid of all the scrollbars without loosing some info that's up...
just like the yellow line which is below the springcam for me, but
beside it for you...I can make it a different color and I think I'll
go with the green of the background on the cam info frame...should I
go with the different fonts for the conference names?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 248 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Sat, Jun 19, 1999 (22:08) * 1 lines
oh, thanks for explaining wer *hugs* um, the green would work, methinks....and the conf names, hmmmm...maybe a size bigger...i dunno, it's obvious you worked hard on it and i hope you don't think i'm being critical *smooch*
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 249 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sat, Jun 19, 1999 (23:41) * 5 lines
no, go ahead and be critical...if it doesn't appeal to as many as
possible, there's no need to change it, right?
anyway, the green is done, and I've started playing with the fonts,
so go check it again...
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Response 250 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Sun, Jun 20, 1999 (11:30) * 5 lines
played some more...combined two frames for less scroll bars...
check it out again at
http://access.spring.net/~wer/test/index.html
I may get it right yet!!!
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Response 251 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Sun, Jun 20, 1999 (13:58) * 1 lines
so far so good! i like what i'm seeing, anyway...
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Response 252 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Jun 20, 1999 (18:57) * 1 lines
It's good, wer, but the font in the lower left box (with Spring's address) needs to be much larger so folks will know where to send their checks! I see you like the black box. Oh well, can't win 'um all...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 253 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jun 21, 1999 (08:11) * 2 lines
Looks good, much better without the big borders between frames. I like
the way only the picture refreshes.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 254 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (00:29) * 2 lines
there's not a black box...two frames are really dark green,
but I'm not sure what you're referring to as the black box...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 255 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (01:18) * 1 lines
The left-most one with the green plain typing in it. It is not the screen part waiting for the picture to come on - it is the slightly larger one to the far left. (It really does not bother me as I do not come in that way!)It is really quite fine.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 256 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (01:23) * 1 lines
I just went back to check and it looks Great. It is just perfect and I really like it now that the refreshing picture there. Good job, wer. Take a bow!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 257 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (23:07) * 1 lines
thanks
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 258 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (11:39) * 1 lines
Who changed the background in Music?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 259 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (11:42) * 1 lines
I did...do you not like it?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 260 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (11:44) * 2 lines
My apologies...I should have asked since you be a host in there...
what is my "punishment"?
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Response 261 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (11:46) * 3 lines
Hmh. It looks nice, but I *liked* the old one with the musical notes... plus the blue of the writing and the greenish stripes hurts my eyes a bit.
You also made the "clear"-button vanish from under the field to write in?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 262 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (11:47) * 1 lines
Punishment: How about my opinion on it? See above... (And believe me, this hurts me more than you!)
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 263 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (11:50) * 3 lines
yeah...the stripes and the blue does that to mine, too...
any suggestions for a different background or do you just
want the eyes and notes back?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 264 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (12:13) * 5 lines
Hmh. Eyes are cool, notes are musical - perhaps a different hue for a change?
I hate sinking other people's boats, so - any suggestion?
What about the "clear"-button?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 265 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (12:25) * 4 lines
yeah, I took it away again, too...got some complaints that
people were hitting it instead of submit...
hmmm...colors...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 266 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (12:38) * 7 lines
OK, lemme guess - Moonbeam?
I never had this problem, but found it very useful when I pasted some copied text in there, but wanted to take it out again for some reason (wrong topic, etc.).
How about putting it ABOVE the window? No clumsy fingers can mistake it there...
(What always happened to me was, I hit the redisplay button. Took me a month to get over this...)
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 267 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (12:53) * 1 lines
Any way you can make those eyes and notes less intense - or the stripes more muted would be welcome to these eyes.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 268 of 340: wer (KitchenManager) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (13:07) * 1 lines
I can try re-positioning, yes...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 269 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Aug 12, 1999 (13:12) * 1 lines
No, Not Moonbeam...I was the one who requested its removal - but I am not alone. Until you have written an opus worthy of binding and hit the wrong button (btw, I could handle it if it were far to the right of the submit button), you do not appreciate how infernal that clear button can really be.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 270 of 340: Alexander Schuth (aschuth) * Sun, Aug 15, 1999 (05:24) * 3 lines
Amazing - never had that! Always screwed things myself using the redisplay button...
But we wouldn't kick that, would we?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 271 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Aug 15, 1999 (13:50) * 2 lines
Compromise is a good thing about the Clear button. I made a location change request in Drool and the magicians there put it to the far right of the box in which I am now writing...opposite corner from the submit button. That is great. BTW, when I do want to delete the whole mess I highlight one line, hit the control+A and it is all highlighted. Then I hit the delete button on the computer and it is gone! Just a thought. I spent two days looking for good wallpaper for music but came up empty. I canno
read through those same-color-as-the-post eyes and notes. Oh well...it is not my conference...=)
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Response 272 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar 2, 2000 (14:19) * 2 lines
The Front Page - http://www.spring.net - looks incredible with the black background. Really stands out. Wolf said she can see the pictures in the table on the right but I cannot see them. I dumped cache, closed out the computer, rebooted and the whole nine yards. I still cannot see them, though I can see the globe at the bottom of the middle table. I know, get rid of Netscape! Must I purge my hotlist again to get any of the graphics I am supposed to be seeing?
I need help - what else is new?! Anyway, it looks sensational. Just thought you should know...*smile*
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 273 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Mar 2, 2000 (17:20) * 2 lines
And, if the black wallpaper is the intended one, would Ree's artwork not be exquisite on such a background in that large empty square in the middle table?
The type colors chosen would be exactly right with the "painting", as well. We would have the classiest front page on the entire web!
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Response 274 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (20:21) * 1 lines
May I please make a little request when there is nothing else to do? Could you please consider putting the beautiful blue sky with the white puffy clouds as music conf wallpaper? It is screwback1...and we would be rid of the eyes and stuff forever...*sigh* Thanks!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 275 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (15:01) * 3 lines
Since I still cannot telnet, would you please link History 5 to Today conference, please?! No one goes into history much, and
the topic is "This Day in History" which is appropriate to Today as well as to History... ..isn't it?
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Response 276 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (15:21) * 1 lines
yup!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 277 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (16:06) * 1 lines
Coz if they don't no one's gonna read'um...*sigh*
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 278 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (16:09) * 1 lines
...excepting a very few choice indivuals of discernment who are curious and intelligent and otherwise superior *grin*
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Response 279 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Apr 3, 2000 (20:45) * 3 lines
Is there any place for a UTC clock like this one? It is in Geo 14 now and works just fine, but on my desktop it does not...*frown*
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Response 280 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Apr 3, 2000 (20:46) * 1 lines
Is there any way to put it on the title page of the conference without messing up what is already there? I'd love to have it there in Geo but do not want to tempt fate enough to put it there and risk messing up what was origianlly created to be there.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 281 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Mon, Apr 3, 2000 (20:49) * 1 lines
can't see it *frown* what's a utc cock?
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 282 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Apr 3, 2000 (20:57) * 1 lines
Tells time GMT or Zulu to you military types. It is in post 279 and if you click on it and hit the reload you will see that it is the USNO Master Clock and it will count up for you for about 5 seconds. Better, i guess, to have one which keeps refreshing even when the page is loaded - like the Visto banners do.
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Response 283 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (23:08) * 1 lines
I finally found wallpaper for the Music Conference...possibly. Please check my files at www.spring.net. It is the only one in the wallpaper folder. Thanks!
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Response 284 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (23:16) * 1 lines
The UTC clock still works and no one reads this topic...I guess I am wasting my time here. This would be a good place to write comments between people who do not like to have others read their postings....*sigh*
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Response 285 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (23:55) * 1 lines
Feel free to recolor it to suit Alexander...but you would be doing a great service to those who might not otherwise go into the music conference since it has such annoying wallpaper now. I would be most appreciative...
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Response 286 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (07:28) * 1 lines
I need some help with the web wizards here due to a too busy schedule . . . the stuff I posted on the main page on geo is "squished" and I need someone to troubleshoot it and figure out how to expand it. Clue, it's FrontPage 2000 enabled. I can add more folks to the FrontPage authoring list.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 287 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (16:01) * 1 lines
And the stuff I fixed a couple weeks ago isn't working again. I'll take a look at it.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 288 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (17:01) * 1 lines
I had to do a rev on the stuff you did, because the bottom of the page was a big empty expanse. But now the frame is "squishing" the geo stuff of Marci's.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 289 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (18:05) * 3 lines
It was those {pre} tags. They'll do it every time. Best to stay away from them when trying to do that sort of thing.
Something also goes fluey when it goes through Front Page with respect to Netscape. I think it is the "base" tag at the top. I don't think that works for Netscape at all, so for everyone who had been using that browser, the page doesn't load for them. I fixed that too (but that base tag should probably come out, I left it there), but if it goes through FP again, I think it will happen again.
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Response 290 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (19:04) * 3 lines
I'll try to stay away with FP if at all possible.
I'll look to see if you fixed the squishness of the geo content.
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Response 291 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (19:10) * 20 lines
The problem, now, Ann is that the page ends at an odd spot:
. . .
6 80 Plate Tectonics: The
Physical Dynamics of The Crust (MarciaH)
7 69 Paleontology: fossils,
coprolites, and petrified wood (MarciaH)
8 624 Precious Stones and
Metals: Physical and Chemical Properties (MarciaH)
9 145 Seismology: Earthquakes
- The Science and Updates on Current Activity (MarciaH)
10 19
See how it ends on topic 10 unexpectedly?
Feel free to play around with the page, Ann. I love it that someone
other than me is working on this page! Thanks so much!
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 292 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (20:40) * 3 lines
Um, did you fiddle with it again in Front Page? It's not working at all with Netscape again.
You should take a look at it with Net. too and see what the problems are. It doesn't load at all.
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Response 293 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (09:51) * 1 lines
No, I didn't open it with FrontPage. I'll look at it with Netscape, what's causing the Netscape problems?
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Response 294 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (16:06) * 1 lines
Don't know what is causing it but I have a plain yellow wallpaper and that is ALL I get. And, Yes, I am using Netscape...
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Response 295 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (20:15) * 1 lines
I downloaded Communicator 4.7 today, but didn't get a chance to look at it.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 296 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (13:56) * 1 lines
I think it is the "base" tag at the start. I think that only works for IE. Makes a mess of Netscape.
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Response 297 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (13:59) * 1 lines
I'm gonna do a bit of work on it now...
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 298 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (14:34) * 1 lines
Sure, go Ann! Thanks so much. Great to have you on the web team.
Topic 33 of 74 [porch]: Spring re-design
Response 299 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (15:32) * 25 lines
Okay, I cleaned it up so that it works with Netscape again. I don't know what changes you had made to it since I last did it, but I tried to make the same ones. If you make any changes, make sure you re-download the latest version to your machine before you begin, that way you start with the version that I've fixed and not the old one.
(I also took out the base tag, we'll have to see if that makes a difference.)
And I added the 10th topic under the Geo list at the bottom. Don't know if you wanted all the topics there or not.
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Redesign ideas (Warning, these are pretty different from what you have, and you might not like it! Remember, a lot of this is my own personal taste! Take it for what it is.):
First, if you look at http://Austen.com or http://www.pemberley.com/qindex.htm, you'll see that there isn't that much on those pages (on the Pemberley, there is no content at all there)--and, importantly, that most of the page fits on the first screen, without the need to scroll down. (I didn't do the design on these, but you can see the same thing in action on some others I've worked on: http://www.wda.org, http://www.hmrecovery.org/) All these pages work more as a pass-through on the way to other things on the site. -- They save the bulk of the information for the interior of the site, with pages dedicated to that part of the content.
On Austen's Front Door, there are only a handful of links and a bit of text on the front page--no real content. My intent there is to explain what the different sections to the site are, and give people a way to get to them. That keeps the front page clean and neat, and makes it quick to load--averaging about 11 seconds for me with a 28.8 connection.
The first thing I would do if I were redoing the Spring page, would be to get rid of the picture. Too often the picture has little interesting content--sometimes a plain blue screen, and the 30 second refresh isn't long enough for someone to see everything on the page before they are interrupted by the page reloading. I timed it 3 times, and the page averaged 37 seconds to load. That's on the high end of things to begin with, then 30 seconds go by, and the person has to wait 37 seconds again for the page to reload. It will drive people off. If the video and sound capabilities of the Spring are important, there might be better ways to get the point across.
The MS theme with the autumn leaves is used in other places on the web, and I don't know if you want that. Perhaps it is better to have a unique look. (I'm personally not a fan of the javascript buttons at the top, but that's personal taste.) Also, the theme list points (animated gif leaves in "What's Here" and "Inside") are about doubling the size of the page (not counting load-time on those images.) Keeping things as quick to load as possible is usually desireable.
The two lists ("Discussions" and "Inside") aren't as helpful as they could be. Someone who has never been to the site, for example, won't know what "drool!" or "vc" are; they need more explanation than that. People are unlikely to spend a whole lot of time browsing through the different boards, most of which won't match their personal interests--best to let them know about the ones that they would like at the start.
Hmmm....well, that would be a start >:)
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Once again, those ideas are just one person's opinion. Take them or leave them!
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Response 300 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (07:01) * 1 lines
Why don't you just redo the whole page from scratch, and rename the page we have now and make a link to it, call it the webcam page or something and just have the picture and sound link on it. I agree about the leaves thing and the reloading, just start from scratch if you're up to it. I would love it if you would implement all of these ideas and give us a fresh, new look. Great ideas! I would love it if they could happen.
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Response 301 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (13:29) * 1 lines
What sort of graphical look do you want?
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Response 302 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (09:21) * 1 lines
Something that conveys the spirit of discussions and conversation, and gets people into our conversations quickly, and also provides us with some affiliate revenue.
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Response 303 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (10:33) * 1 lines
I've seen a number of Spring logos around here. Do you have an archive of them anywhere? Could you give me a list of them. (In other words, I need some place to start. I'm not an artist, and I need something to work from.)
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Response 304 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (16:50) * 5 lines
Okay, I've started to do a design based on:
Hope that works for you!
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Response 305 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (16:56) * 1 lines
Yup! A sentimental favorite of mine, actually!
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Response 306 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (18:54) * 7 lines
Here you go...not many of the links work, and it will mean a redesign of some of the pages that are being linked to (for example, I couldn't tell if there was much difference between the "Shop" link and the "Store" link, so I figured they could be combined.
Also, is there a way for someone to browse the conference list without signing up at all?
Okay, here's a prototype:
New Spring Home Page?
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Response 307 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (19:36) * 1 lines
Wow!!! Looking great Ann!!!
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Response 308 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (23:36) * 1 lines
I made the "Contents" page too. That is linked at the top of the pages. I tried to sort of combine the list of favorite conferences, the list of hosted websites, and the full list of conferences.
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Response 309 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (23:38) * 1 lines
Going cross-eyed staring at this!!!
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Response 310 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (23:43) * 3 lines
Give your eyes a rest and please check this for me. I'll check yours now.
http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/geo/all/new
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Response 311 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (23:52) * 5 lines
I like your divider bars. Very pretty.
Your buttons at the top are ending up on 2 lines. You might want to force that more. Perhaps by putting in a {br} tag before the "Search" or "Users" button. That way, you'll end up with 4-5 buttons on the top and 3-4 buttons on the second line.
I like the background, though on my laptop it might be a little too dark--not by much though, and laptops are a strange breed.
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Response 312 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (09:32) * 4 lines
I really love it, Ann. Wow.
I'll have some detailed comments later, when I get off work, but I'd go ahead nad archive the present page and put that up. There are more Spring logos if you search through the gifs and jpgs. Contents is great!
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Response 313 of 340: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (09:56) * 5 lines
Excellent redesign, Ann! *clap clap*
One minor suggestion: Do you want to emphasize the locale so prominently? In this day and age, where something is shouldn't be important and most of Spring's participants are from all over the world. While it is interesting that Spring is based out of Austin, having the two mentions [Austin, Texas Community Town Hall and Everyone's a Texan Here] might be a turnoff or lead people to believe that only Texans would be interested in the goings on at Spring. You know, like it's a local messageboard. Do you understand? No slight to Austinites or Texans intended.
Also, Terry are you getting any money from Visto? Have you applied to actually get the rebate? If not, why are you advertising the affiliation so prominently as well?
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Response 314 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (10:14) * 3 lines
I wondered that too, Karen. I agree with you; the internet is international, and relating it too much to one city might be bad.
I made the Membership page too.
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Response 315 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (10:29) * 1 lines
We want to emphasize it some, but empasize our austen.com and firth.com sites and developing sites. Let's tone down the Austin, Texas thing to not turn off folks but still make mention. I don't want to emphasize it as a local messageboard at all.
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Response 316 of 340: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (10:43) * 1 lines
...and about that Membership page... Is that how it will be? Have payment methods been set up? I wouldn't put something like that up unless it were 100% accurate. Evidently the Springcom steering group is coming to naught. Will delist myself.
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Response 317 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (12:08) * 3 lines
I just copied the page that was already there for Membership. Working on webhosting now.
(just changed the top buttons a bit.)
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Response 318 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (12:33) * 2 lines
Ann, as soon as I wake up gonna do the breaks where you suggested. Thanks!!!
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Response 319 of 340: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (13:41) * 1 lines
Ann: The question was directed at Terry.
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Response 320 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (09:12) * 1 lines
OK, i can't get in to see ann's design, what gives?
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Response 321 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (09:15) * 1 lines
I moved it to the front page, just do http://www.spring.net .
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Response 322 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (09:16) * 1 lines
I changed the Visto ad at the top to be an include. That will make it easier to swap it with something else, if that's ever needed.
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Response 323 of 340: Wolf (wolf) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (09:17) * 1 lines
oh wow! ann, you did a great job!!
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Response 324 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (10:48) * 9 lines
Terry, according to what I'm seeing, this page:
http://www.spring.net/webhosting/features.htm
is only linked from one other page:
http://www.spring.net/webhosting/support/cgi/unix/autoresponder/autoresponder.htm (which is pretty deep into the site)
It's quite a usefull page there, going mostly to waste :(
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Response 325 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (19:50) * 8 lines
I agree. We need to add a little version of the webcam gif with a sound link like we had on the old page because quite a few folks are paying me to run this ccontent. The gif is at http://www.spring.net/cap.jpg and the sound link you can grab from the old page.
I'm thinking of supporting educational courses on our site, which could be tied in to Barnes and Noble University. I'm not quite sure how to forge this relationship yet, but it's incubating in my mind.
So NEED AND IMAGE needs to have the /cap.jpg link to a little jop that will clikc to a bigger picture like on the old page with no size restrictions.
Great work Ann, you've done a bunch in very little time. Thanks!@!!!!
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Response 326 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (19:52) * 2 lines
I almost like the page with all the conferences as the main page with the other buttons that are centered on the main page moved to the left, what do folks think?
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Response 327 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (20:28) * 1 lines
Can you pic a particularly picturesque picture for the cap.jpg? Since they shift around a lot, I'd like to pick a single one that is attractive.
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Response 328 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (21:12) * 1 lines
I like the conferences on the front page down one side, too. That was our original reason for being here, and still attracts a lot of attention that austen.com does not first attract. I am working on abbout 5 different and interesting and knowledgable men to post in here.....we need to make a complete list of conferences on the front page...not just one of the dozen options (IMHO, of course!)
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Response 329 of 340: gena (zx6rider) * Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (06:38) * 3 lines
I don't stop by for a few days and HOLY SMOKE! You re-arranged all the furniture!!
I like the new look, though I find the colors a bit dark for my taste (I'm a pastel kind-o-grrl). But it's very nice... Congrats to Ann, who ever you are ;-)
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Response 330 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (07:58) * 1 lines
Sure, let's let it run as the webcam and pick one, anyone who sees a great picture do a right mouse click and save on it and send it in and we'll use that one.
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Response 331 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (20:16) * 1 lines
Geba, gotta turn on the lights when you come back in... trip and you might miss that race.....
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Response 332 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (08:59) * 1 lines
Ann, I put the link to cap.jpg but it needs to be sized to fit in that little frame. Can you do this, 'cause I've been doing all my gif sizing w/ frontpage and am hesitant to impose it on the page after your redesign.
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Response 333 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (18:13) * 7 lines
Where is the cap image?
(Usually, you are better off using a graphics program to resize the images than if you use HTML width and height tags to do it. Different browsers treat those differently, and the images usually end up looking funny.)
BTW, I've finished converting all the Webhosting pages--there were a ton and a half of them! It took me about 3 days to do all of them--and the Help pages. Only area left is the Affiliates, which shouldn't take long.
Terry, do you have a page for webcasting services (like webhosting)? If you are offering that as a service, people should be able to get info for it.
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Response 334 of 340: on the porch (sprin5) * Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (20:19) * 3 lines
It's in the virtual_html directory. Since it's an image that changes every 30 seconds, it would be better to use width and height tags in this case. Would you create a basic webcast page at http://www.spring.net/webcast as index.html? If you do I'll go in and add some text content.
thanks thanks thanks!
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Response 335 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (22:49) * 1 lines
BTW, I used Front Page to do the work, so you needent fear using it.
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Response 336 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (23:02) * 1 lines
I made up the Webcasting page. /webcast/index.html.
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Response 337 of 340: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (23:45) * 5 lines
Hey thanks and more thanks Ann. It's wonderful what you're doing. I'm winding up an 18 hours day at work and it's so great to finally get this bunch of suns on the Internet. Sot he first thing I did was look at your latest handwork.
I'll add some text to that webcasting page.
You're so good, Ann!
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Response 338 of 340: Ann (Ann) * Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (09:48) * 3 lines
I finally got the chance to look at the redesign on a different computer. Didn't like what I saw :(
I'll have to do some tweaking, I think.
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Response 339 of 340: Marcia (MarciaH) * Thu, Jun 22, 2000 (00:54) * 1 lines
What was the difference between computers? Browsers?
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Response 340 of 340: Karen (KarenR) * Fri, Jul 28, 2000 (09:37) * 3 lines
Terry or wer:
Someone just created a new topic at Drool. Thought that feature had been shutdown and that only the hosts could do that?
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