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Internet Explorer for Windows 95 3.0 Beta 1 Date 5/28/96 Size 2864 Kb Location http://www.microsoft.com/ie/iedl.htm Microsoft's new web browser -- serious competition to Netscape? Status Freeware Also Available Windows 3.x and NT (2498 Kb) versions Internet Explorer for Windows 95 -- The folks at Netscape Communications Corporation (NCC), the developers of Netscape Navigator, are more than a little worried right now, and for good reason. Microsoft's latest creation is an excellent web browser that is bound to make more than a few waves in the 'net community. The first thing you're going to notice about Internet Explorer is its speed -- this is definitely one of the quickest web browsers I've used to date. Part of this is a result of Internet Explorer's method of handling HTML documents; like NCSA Mosaic, it first shows all the text before loading any images. This makes Internet Explorer appear faster than Netscape; in addition, Internet Explorer overall is flat-out faster than both NCSA Mosaic and Netscape Navigator. Internet Explorer also offers a few exclusive features not currently found in other browsers, including extended tags for the FONT attribute, marquees, background sound support, internal AVI videos, a search page for the three largest databases on the Internet (Infoseek, Lycos, and Yahoo), global font sizing, and client-side image mapping -- a feature that really needs to be implemented in more browsers. Many other features are also standard fare for Internet Explorer, including centering; transparent images; mailto, news and ftp support (though not nearly as strong as Netscape); advanced tables (supports tables better than Netscape even); a new window command (for spawning processes); and strong support for web security. Unfortunately, Internet Explorer still lacks several features that are necessary for it to be considered superior to even Netscape. These include the need for improved ftp support, additional options for configuring Internet Explorer, and support for all of Netscape 2.0 tags. With the latest release of Internet Explorer (3.0), Microsoft has closed the gap between itself and Netscape in dramatic fashion. Support for frames, java, activeX controls, enhanced security (including PCT technology), and tons of other new features have been added. Additionally, the app has undergone a massive interface revision in order to make it feel more like you desktop portal to the Internet. Overall, the latest release of Internet Explorer from Microsoft offers a lot but may still leave users wanting more. On the other hand, Netscape may well have some real reasons to fear this release of Internet Explorer, and I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes even more apparent in the next several months. Pros: Extremely quick browser, client-side image mapping, global font characteristics Cons: Lacks several critical features, including advanced ftp support New for '3.x: Improved tables, security, and multimedia support, 3-D browsing New for '95: Frames, Java applets, ActiveX controls, new security features, much more Version Reviewed: Win 3.x - 2.0.1. Win 95/NT - 3.0 Beta 1. Mac - 2.0.1 Date of Review: 5/30/96 Reviewer: Forrest Stroud
~Neptune #1
I have been tempted to try out the latest Explorer (beta 2) but my worry is that it will overwrite some of my links in the Win95 registery for my Netscape browser. Anyone know if such is the case? Or can I run both from the same system without making extensive modifications?
~terry #2
I'm running two copies of Netscape on my system without any problems so far.
~prplehaze #3
I'm ashamed to be a netizen tonight. Tonight, while making my rounds, I stopped at stroud's for the Usual "What's new" look at what's going on. Tonight, however, I was stunned to see who was resting atop the WWW list. None other then Bill Gates's Baby, MS Internet Explorer. No self respecting netizen could post IE as the top browser without thinking to themself, Why? Why am I supporting Microsoft, who seeks to controll all aspects of software, from operating systems to the internet? Why am I doing something that deep down, in the very bowels of my existence, I know is wrong. If I truly support open standards, good software, good companies, and freedom, then I would not use IE. Because, my fellow netizens, Bill wants us to use IE. And that is a compelling enough reason for me not to use it. Thank you. Sean Melody malelist@prolog.net
~terry #4
I think these guys (Netscape and Microsoft) leapfrog each other; whenever one of them comes out with a major new release they leap ahead of the other one. The competition is probably healthy and Microsoft becoming totally dominant to the exclusion or demise of Netscape, I agree, would not be good at all. When did IE take over as number one? Was this just today or a while back? How do you feel about Microsoft's plan to integrate every aspect of their Internet strategy into all their applications. With a work force of 1,600 compared to Netscape's 1,000 plus its dominance in the industry, Microsoft is clearly out to dominate this market.
~Neptune #5
Terry, In response to your msg that your running two versions of Netscape... Watch out!!!! Guess what will happen when you Uninstall either one of those versions... I a Gold version and Standard version running together. When one started getting a little buggy I uninstalled and reinstalled... forgettting that both versions may be sharing files in the Win95 registery. That is suicide unless you manually take control of the uninstall. That is one of the main reasons I'm not running IE 3.0b2 yet. Fear. The Registery is a neat concept but in some ways limits the full potential of a multitasking system. Even a half-baked multi-tasking OS as Win95 ;)
~terry #6
How do you "take manual control" of the uninstall? Do you have any suggestions on how to do this safely?
~salgado #7
Being an Internet Service Provider and software developer, we have found Microsoft IE far easier to distribute, support and int regrate with our customers. Netscapes beta of the day is often so buggy, that an uninstall and reinstall of a previous stable version is necessary. To sum it up, as an ISP and software developer, Microsoft wants to support us, whereby Netscape wants us to support them. Regardless if you love/hate Microsoft, they are and will be the dominate force in the future of the Internet.
~ebruce #8
In response to Sean Melody: Excuse me? Just because you like a software package does not necessary mean that you have to support that company. IE 3.0 Beta 2 is currently a better browser than Netscape. In my tech support job, I have to support both. A large number of the calls a re problems with the Netscape beta that result in reinstalling the older (2.x) pre-installed version. We have had very few calls from people who have upgraded to IE 3.0. I think Dave Salgado had it right when he said that "Microsoft wants to support us, whereby Netscape wants us to support them." Also, put yourself in Bill Gates' shoes. The best defense is a good offense. Would you give up? I wouldn't. I also like the competition. It keeps both manufacturers busy and constantly improving their products.
~john747 #9
IE will take over as the best browser on the net. IE costs $0.00 and Netscape costs $50.00. IE has all the features Netscape has and much more. How can you lose with Internet Explorer.
~Mynock #10
Wow! The Battle is on! :-) Personally I use both.......There are some things i like about netscape and some that I like about IE.....Both are good programs and IE has dramatically improved! This is close to becoming an out and out war of the browsers. ...should be very interesting to watch.
~Marak703 #11
I agree with Dana Cain. I use both Netscape and IE and would like to continue to do so however: I tryed IE 3.0 beta 1 and finally took it off and went back to 2.0. For the present I want Netscape as my default browser and I found that trying to open IE 3.0 "Favorites" opened Netscape. Has anyone found a way around this? Did beta 2 change this? I also found that IE imported my Netscape "Bookmarks," another no-no.
~petebot #12
I a bit miffed at IE 3.0 because it apparently won't recognize the anchors or bookmarks I've put in pages created with FrontPage (another Microsoft product.) I think the guys at Redmond need to make sure their software works with their own products. I realize it's a beta but Netscape 3.0 doesn't appear to have this problem. Of course I haven't tried it with Netscape's server package, so who knows?
~XTreme #13
Not a long time ago, IE was just another browser trying to grab it's share of what Netscape was dominating. Well, Netscape is still dominant in the area, but look at how IE improved and how fast it did... If IE keeps its current speed, it will jump in f ront of Navigator. Netscape has reasons to worry. Mind you, I'm not saying here which one is better. Just looking at how far back IE started and where it is now is about 1 year or so after. Can you imagine how passionate the versions 4.0 war will be?!
~XTreme #14
One more thing about IE, it has to have a better cross-platform compatibility. The features they have are great (OCX, ActiveX, etc), but they're Intel only!
~terry #15
Does the new IE have built in mail?
~Neptune #16
How fast? It is always harder on the "pioneers" (Netscape in this case) than on the "settlers" (others) that follow. Netscape without question deserves great credit for bringing us this far. Mind you, competition is still good. It keeps you sharp. As long as neither company has overwhelming control, we will all benefit in the long run.
~theKAT #17
I have noticed that Microsoft excells in one particular area....HYPE. I believe there is an ulterior motive as well. The final, full-featured version of IE won't be free. I understand it will be released with the upcoming Windows 95 re-upgrade. Cha Ching ! After reading all the glowing praise for MSIE 3, I thought I would give it a try, switching from Atlas Gold. To say I was underimpressed would be an understatement. Although I liked the look and feel of the program, I was dismayed with the lack of feature s that I had become so used to in NetScape. I particularly disliked the way IE handles downloads. Always trying to open the files, and giving you no idea how big the file is your'e downloading. Once downloaded, I found that it can keep several copies of an 8mb file in it's maze of cryptical caches on my hard disk. I really don't have the free space to be doing that. Needless to say, I could only stand it for a few days, and now I'm back to using NetScape,(3.0b7 now) Contrary to what some other users have experienced, I have had no bug problems except with the very early beta versions of NetScape browsers. Maybe Microsoft's finished product will be better. I'm not giving up on it, but I'm not holding my breath either.
~XTreme #18
In response to Karl Laun {{I have noticed that Microsoft excells in one particular area....HYPE.}} Yeah, but you know what? It works. Look at all the people going crazy. :-) {{To say I was underimpressed}} ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So you were impressed. :-) But I agree with you. MSIE's way to handle cached data is horrible. But I also hate the way it treats bookmarks. Although dealing with links might not be that bad, FAT ( or VFAT if you prefer ) is already a dog with multiple small files (especiall y if you have large clusters on your HD). If microsoft wants to make everything as file on your HD, they should first come up with a good file system.
~Spanky #19
I liked MSIE when 2.0 was released because of how much quicker it had become then Netscape. By then NS, with it's monolithic size and lousy newsreader had me looking around for a smaller, tighter, and faster browser. Even today, with the release of 3.0 FInal, you get to choose whether or not you want to include the news and mail apps...NS never gave you that option. They both have Java, but MSIE's is 30% faster at least...and tosses in ActiveX and style sheets. It may or may not be a fair trading practice, but since MS wrote the OS, then they are better able to hook into it with their software, which is very evid ent in the differences between the two browsers. MSIE is much easier to personally customize, has a much slicker interface, and doesn't open a mailto box if you miss the scrolldown arrow by a millimeter...(I HATE when that happens :)) I had NS Gold on my machine for a week and tossed it in disgust, pure crap. Sure MS has ulterior motives -- they wanna run NS outta business. They tried it with Quicken (Intuit) (remember the free Money?) and will keep the pressure on NS.
~goon #20
i tried 2 different betas of IE (yes, i'm a glutton for punishment), and after each dumped a ton of stuff in my windows/system directory and created a half dozen directories off of my windows directory, i deleted my windows directory and started over fr esh again. i don't intend to do that again. since mr. stroud proclaimed this last beta to be the holy grail of the internet, i figured i'd give it another go (my second time). i don't load images on netscape (mucho faster that way) and the betas of IE that i tried have an all-or-nothing approach to images. so obviously the cute little icons on IE weren't enough for me. last night i figured i'd get in on the moonlight madness and grab a copy if IE, and hopefully, some other goodies along the way, install it on the wife's computer (i know, i know. low blow.) and register. well, once again, microsoft showed, with this particular debacle, that they don't have the slightest idea of what the internet is about or how to handle it. one of the links said that the object didn't even exist, and a couple of the links that i managed to slip in through had the whopping xfer rate of .7kbps. oh well. it's just as well. she'da killed me.
~xenu #21
Forrest, I generally agree with your reviews, but honestly, if the new Interent Explorer 3 is faster for you then any version of Netscape Navigator, something must be wrong with the version of Internet Explorer I downloaded last night. After working with the Netscape Navigator 3 series, when I run MSIE 3 I feel like something is wrong with my modem. Netscape is just flat out faster then internet explorer at damn near everything, and Netscape doesn't have the propensity to shoot files all the hell over the place without telling you about it. MSIE 3 is not a bad browser, probably 2nd best, but there just ain't no way that it's even AS fast as Navigator. I hope we don't see a repeat of an inferior technology (like VHS), eliminate a superior technology (like BETA) simply due to hype and marketing.
~terry #22
xenu, are you talking about the tendency of IE to save downloads in unknown file dictories instead of pausing to ask you where you want them stored?
~BlackLight #23
I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but I wanted to give them a fair shake. I had read the hype about IE from the Stroud list and from the Micro$oft site itself. To be quite honest, I was very interested in seeing it do the things they said it would do. I downloaded the Win 95 FULL version, and the Korean language pack since my girlf riend is korean. We tried it out last night. It crashed on part of it's install, it crashed again a few minutes later after runnning it and the foreign language stuff DID NOT WORK! It's definitely a very "PRETTY" program, and M$ has some good ideas built in to it (the new 3d video format, the ActiveX technology, etc), but they were poorly implemented, and it really makes me unconfortable the way IE messes with my Internet configurat ion on install. I don't use M$N, yet it insists on changing all my settings as if I do. Netscape is unobtrusive, and will hopefully be implementing the new features found in IE soon. I think it's probably worth the wait for Netscape to "catch up". I have to say that IE spent a very short life on my hard drive.
~briangm #24
I have been using Netscape 2.02 for quite a while, and have Explorer 2.01 "on the side". If I rated Netscape an 8 (out of 10), Explorer would get a 4 or 5. I just downloaded Netscape 3.0 last week, and it looks good, so far. Now here is Explorer 3.0, but only for folks who have bought windows 95. Is this the END of Explorer for those who don't want, or need, to buy windows 95???
~ArenA #25
I use MSIE3 with much pleasure but it has a terrible problem: the plugins... I downloaded the Shockwave plugin from MS but it's faulty :-( They put a version of Shockwave on the Net which doesn't do it's work. I'm used to playing ABNAMRO goalkeeper, a nice game in which you shoot penalties at the goalkeeper. The new shockwave plugin messes-up the colors. While the old shockwave plugin won't work at all :-( Strange and terrible! Why oh why do we have to use MS-uploaded plugins that doesn't work???? Why don't they test their stuff first????
~terry #26
What's the ftp location of the goalkeeper game?
~Randy #27
If anyone is using IE3.0 with the STB Lightspeed 128 card - don't. IE will crash Win95 hard. The problem is in pages with the marquee tags. When the last character of the marquee goes off the left side of the field, IE will come to a screeching halt and take Win95 with it. STB says it is Microsoft's problem. Microsoft won't reply to email. Both know about the problem. (IMHO, the problem is on STB's end, as I have found other things that crash or do funky things also. Will have to wait for new video drivers, I guess)
~Andyman #28
There is a possible security issue with IE3.0 with their ActiveX controls. I have information about how these controls can actually pass viruses, that's right, it is now possible to get a virus just by loading a web page with an evil ActiveX control. Thi s is a problem that I have been told Microsoft is aware of, but I'm not sure what steps are being taken to correct it. I can forward the message I recieved to you, just send me a note at andym@nando.net, and I'd be happy to forward the information to you In the meantime, I would either disable the ActiveX controls, or simply just use Netscape, as I do now.
~emiller #29
In response to Karl Laun: - The final, full-featured version of IE won't be free. I understand it will be - released with the upcoming Windows 95 re-upgrade. Cha Ching! Indeed, the next version of IE will be integrated with the Windows 95 Service Pack 2, to be released later this year. It will completely integrate IE with the Windows 95 Explorer. However, Service Pack 2, just like Service Pack 1, will be available for free download from the MS web site. So, the excellent (MUCH better than Netcape, IMHO) IE will continue to be free forever, as per the MS press releases.
~Mynock #30
A big THANK YOU! to randy (MSG #27 ) for putting the entire rest of the page in a marquee!! :-P Im sure you didn't mean to do it randy......but ya did :-)
~terry #31
I thought we had sanity checking in effect. What tag caused this? Our sanity checking feature will prevent whatever html tags we deem too distracting (eg. h1 blink, etc).
~don #32
I love watching the NS/MS battle :) I've been using the latest of both 3.0 versions, and haven't really had any problems with either. I like things about both of them, but I'm starting to lean more towards MSIE, which is a big lean for me, as I've been a big MS hater for quite some time. Now someone explain to me why I don't get all of these crashes and such that everyone else has complained about. Have I just been extrordinarily lucky or something?
~daveman #33
I must say that it is about time that people began to acknowledge that IE3.0 is a better program than Netscape. It has been at least since 2.0. At the time, I would much rather have seen a fast page-loading browser with music, marquees, and colored tabl e cells than frames. Now IE supports better HTML than Netscape. I know because I use both. My home page looks a lot better on IE3 than Netscape 3.0. Take a look for youself. It is located at: http://www.olemiss.edu/~cancell/ What I don't understand is why Netscape's mail and news is better than Microsofts. That's bullhockey. MS Mail allows the use of Office's spellchecker and even has some filters. Netscape's is way too simplistic. Netscape's news is the worst I have ever used. I can't even get it to work. Microsoft's works quite well.
~terry #34
I just saw the cover of Time, Bill Gates with a caption about the Internet becoming Microsoft territory. The next release of Windows 97 should make things real interesting, I wonder if it will even be downloadable or if it will be an interwoven part of Windows.
~pkolbus #35
Personally, I hate MS IE 3.0... I've used it at work and don't like it... It's just the little things I guess... IE puts download progress in a gauge at the bottom of the browser window, NS is nice enough to open a 'viewing document' or 'saving document' so I can continue browsing more easily... IE plugin support is spotty at best, reload times are poor, IE3 isn't cross-platform yet (I have win3.1 at home). I take that back... now thet IE3b1/Mac is out, you might say it is... But still no final version, or *ix or Win3.1 support... Oh... and they don't call it Internet ExploDer for nothing... it has crashed so many times (on the PCs at work)... I use NS 3.01Gold and like it very much... it hasn't crashed since I replaced a bad SIMM in my computer...
~terry #36
I use both and like both. I don't see much difference in how they handle downloads except that IE offers you the option of "opening" an incoming file. I run it 24 hours a day and it crashes once in a while. I definitely think Microsoft has the edge in authoring tools with FrontPage linked to Explorer. Netscape Gold doesn't really do much in the way of authoring.
~clownboy #37
Try doing 100pt text with Netscape (HTML) or control leading or getting rid of the default top and left margin. Open Netscape in Kiosk mode and you will find you are stuck with their logo - MSIE you can specify which elements of the toolbar show or nuke everything if you wish, including the MS logo. Netscape IS faster to load images, but the image response sucks and the default is set to 'automatic' which kills decent graphix work. Heaven forbid you should have an older Cirrus Logic card, the kind folks at Netscape have brought back their little incompatability problem just for you. As a developer I'm constantly having to tell clients, "Well, we can do that right now in MSIE, but we have to wait awhile and hope Netscape catches up in their next release.". I'm currently running Netscape 1.22, 2.02, 3.01, MSIE 2.0, 3.01 and Arena - MSIE3.01 rocks!
~magic13 #38
I NEED HELP I HAVE EXPLORER 2.0 I CAN"T GET SOUND IN REALAUDIO YET I"M SET UP FOR THIS ALSO I"M FINDING IT HARD TO TALK IN OTHER CHAT ROOM. PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU CAN ANY ONE. THANK YOU CHRIS
~terry #39
What kind of sound card do you have? Is it working with other apps?
~gravity #40
I just recently purchased Windows 95 OSR2, MSIE 3.0 bundled. It was a difficult decision for me to finally go to Windows 95, and I feel I did it under duress. Well, when installing, I figured, silly me, that with a custom install, it would give me the option not to install MSIE. Well, it didn't. So, I have MSIE 3.0 on my computer, and I don't want it. I prefer Netscape Navigator; my perogative. I also have a small hard drive (I've been putting my computer together piecemeal), so I can't afford to run two eb browsers, especially one I won't use. So, I follow the instructions found on Microsoft's web site, go to Add/Remove, am about click on Remove Internet Explorer, when lo and behold, there's no option to. I'm about to kill something at this point. I eventually get the idea of downloading another copy of MSIE 3.0, to see if I can install that over my current install of MSIE 3.0, and see if it will allow me to remove THAT. It did. I click on Remove, it removes... well, sorta. It removed part of it. So, I'v got pieces of MSIE 3.0 sitting around in my SYSTEM directory. In my registry, etc. I don't want it. I want the space on my hard drive that those files that are not being used take up. MSIE 3.0 is a fine browser. I've no real problems with it, except that it doesn't seem to be able to tell how big files being downloaded are. My problem is with the marketing practises of Microsoft. They have a stranglehold, not because they have a better browser than Netscape, but because they have the most popular OS. They bundle MSIE with that operating system then make it difficult to remove. This creates, basically, an unfair marketing practice which excludes Netscape and other browsers from competin effectively except to those die hards out there that like control over their computers. Which is another problem with MSIE. I want control of where it goes, and Microsoft doesn't think I deserve that control. So, I applaud the efforts of the U.S. Justice Department against the Microsoft Corporation. As an employee of Netscape put it in an interview: "How can you compete fairly when the other guy is cheating?" Which, if you think about it, has always been Microsoft's greatest skill.
~dsmeyer #41
As a tech support employee of a small ISP, I haven't had a very good time with customers with IE 4.0. I have heard nothing but problems from the majority of our users who have gone to this bloated, bug-ridden program. I installed it on my very own LAN-T1 PC and this browser seemed to slow down my 486-133 system by 90%. I am never going to use anything newer than IE 3.02 ever again. A 14 megabyte download will not produce satisfying results in the long run.
~terry #42
What isp Doug?
~antimatr #43
I run a PB 100mhz 1Gig 48RAM with a basic Win95 OS that has performed excellently with most all software apps. I installed IE4.0 exactly to directions, and my system all but shut down. It became very slugglish..AND..the IE4.0 web browser wouldn't even work!! It always gave me messages of "Navigation Cancelled" and "Internal error". So, we reformatted the entire HD and tried it again. Same thing. It took forever to find a place to write Micro$oft for technical help or advice.(and before I could write the email, I had to fill out a lengthy needless questionaire/survey. Three weeks have passed....and I have heard nothing from Micro$oft. Not even an acknowledgement of my email. 3 computer experts have examined my system, and can find nothing to cause this error. Has anyone else experienced this "error" and "Navigation Cancelled"? I'm interested in finding the problem, even if Micro$oft isn't. Thank Goodness for Netscape!!!!!!!!!
~terry #44
Has anyone notice about a 40% slowdown in system performance with IE 4.0?
~KitchenManager #45
Sorry, guys, I use IE 3.2, but interestingly enough, I can tell when someone is telnetting here while I'm trying to browse because response time slows down...
~terry #46
I don't think a telnet session should slow things down that much. hmmm.
~Dwaine #47
Hello all, I just recently did the reformat thing with my computer to clear things up and start a-fresh. After installing Win95b (OEM) and IE4, I am having problems I never had before: 1. launching IE4 causes a rnapp.dll error as it attempts to launch my dial-up 2. After which my dial-up will nolonger work due to a rndll error. 3. Outlook express displays 2 Msminn errors everytime I launch it, yet works thereafter. 4. I am now getting several explorer errors now, as well. What a bum deal! I reformat to start a-fresh and now have more problems than ever. I do believe it is an IE4 problem, but who knows right? Dwaine dwaines@flash.net (or) des7@juno.com
~miles #48
Yes IE5 has a few bugs. One bug is in the logic behind putting out a browser for web developers that trashes networked machines. I suppose most developers don't work on a network, after all who needs to see there work in progress on more than one system(ha ha). I don't know what the effects are on a non networked machine and had I read the read me before installation I would not have done it. The major ramifications of this installation are; some links no longer work when clicked, my graphics viewer now displays all thumbs from sub folders in the parent folder as well as the sub folder, My display settings interface lost some functionality. So do be wary of installing this version on a networked machine.
~terry #49
Now, you tell me. I just installed it on my heavily networked machine along with MS Windows NT 4.0 Option Pack. Do we have a topic on this?
~carlcalo #50
Go ahead. "make my day" [and install it]. Dont call your ISP for help when something IE gets corrupted and "it" needs to be reinstalled. Configuring one's OS or system shall remain a "your" problem.
~terry #51
I am my isp.
~zx6rider #52
Hi everybody. I have a Gateway 5150 laptop, running WIN98 and IE5. I have removed all but my firewall, my virus checker and my power register from my startup tray at the advise of Gateway tech support BUT I'm still having the problem... THE PROBLEM: While in my browser, usually during the load of a new page, if I move my mousie the whole thing locks up. I find nothing at Billy's tech support place to assist me. so my lovelies... what cha got for me?
~MarciaH #53
Get rid of IE and load Netscape! Netscape and Spring love each other. I am using 4.7 Love it!!!
~cfadm #54
What browser are you using now, Marci?
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