HELP!

Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 293 of 304: Joan, too (jwinsor) * Mon, Feb 3, 1997 (20:30) * 1 lines The Spring server is dishing out multiple helpings of SERVER ERROR messages this evening. At about 5:25 PST it gave me 5 in a row but finally connected from the main menu - at which time it looked as if Austen had been struck with Old-is-new again - it li sted 167 topics as being new - but when I entered, it turned out to be a false alarm - THANK GOODNESS! But the server errors continue..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 294 of 304: Johanne (JohanneD) * Tue, Feb 4, 1997 (19:25) * 1 lines Same with me on Monday : multiple Server error, old is new on one topic but all was well after that ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 295 of 304: Myretta (mrobens) * Tue, Feb 4, 1997 (21:05) * 3 lines multiple Server error, Monday AM. Couldn't see anything immediately wrong with system. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 296 of 304: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Feb 6, 1997 (23:07) * 2 lines Does anyone know what happened to the next topic button? It seems to have been replaced by a hand written one????? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 297 of 304: The Mysterious H.C. (churchh) * Thu, Feb 6, 1997 (23:17) * 2 lines Gee, I wonder who's to blame? Picture: [AMY] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 298 of 304: Cheryl Sneed (Cheryl) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (00:21) * 1 lines Geez! what a tattle-tale! ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 299 of 304: Susan Christie (Susan) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (01:16) * 2 lines And also, sometimes that button is "Previous Topic" and sometimes "Next Topic." Can it be changed to always be Next Topic? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 300 of 304: Amy (Amy) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (08:08) * 6 lines Terry, I take it you don't like my experiment. I don't know if you have been following our ongoing button saga. It seems it is impossible to change buttons on a conference by conference basis. You would probably agree that the green, red and blue buttons look ghastly with our regency green. So what to do? I'll keep at it in hopes of finding something that blends better with both color schemes. Though, truthfully? I made the Middlemarch and droo l conferencs to match the buttons? And I am starting to like their looks. All things considered, though, it might be best to have a more neutral button, so that conferences do not have to be designed around them. No? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 301 of 304: Amy (Amy) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (08:09) * 6 lines ] And also, sometimes that button is "Previous Topic" and sometimes "Next Topic." Can it be changed to always be Next Topic? __ I am not sure what you mean, Susan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 302 of 304: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (08:42) * 1 lines Just make it look good. I'm looking at it on a monochrome notebook. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 303 of 304: Susan Christie (Susan) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (22:09) * 3 lines #301 Amy, sometimes my Next Topic button is at the bottom right of my message screen, but sometimes it is clear over at the bottom left. I haven't figured out any rhyme or reason to it -- maybe I'm doing something weird? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 304 of 304: Amy (Amy) * Sun, Feb 9, 1997 (21:31) * 8 lines Amy, sometimes my Next Topic button is at the bottom right of my message screen, but sometimes it is clear over at the bottom left. I haven't figured out any rhyme or reason to it -- maybe I'm doing something weird? __ That must be it, Susan. You must be doing something weird. No, really two explanations I can think of. Maybe you are resizing your browser window, like if you made it small, you would cause buttons to jump down to begin a new row. The other thing is the t hat the main conference page has different buttons from each topic page. One example: you can search for text in the whole conference on the front page, no search is available by topic.

The new buttons look good but they're kind of big.

Terry: The new buttons look good but they're kind of big. Terry, I like the bigger size. It makes it much harder to hit the wrong one by mistake (which I have been known to do!) ;-)

Terry, re the buttons. Could we give them a few days to see how they grow on you? Then, maybe switch back to the old ones for a day to compare. They struck me as a little large at first too. In fact Henry is helping me refine them, has already made them a little smaller, and is going to mess around with the type. The advantage to square buttons is that they are all the same size. When a new row of buttons must begin because the size of the browser window had been reduced, they all line up vertically like a keyboard, unlike the old buttons which varied in width. Another advantage to the shape is that we can have fun with it -- put graphical emoti ons on the button template, stuff like that. But, I don't want to push them down your throat. And I can take a little critisism, though not a lot. If you do hate them a lot, don't say so; make up some excuse.

Dear Amy!

Amy, thanks for making all these cool changes to our site! Everything looks great. I have no Server problems or otherwise to report. Thanks for being such a benevolent Topic Mistress and Queen of HTML!

Amy (and of course, Henry), I love the new look. Also, it goes quicker for me. Last week it took over a minute to go back to the main page.

Amy, please, please keep the new buttons!! I like them much better than the old ones; they're bigger, easier to hit with a wandering mouse, and much prettier with their new colours!! Thank you for all your hard work on this site!

Yes, do keep the new buttons it is easier on our "fine eyes".

Thanks, but... well, what were you supposed to say to such a pouter as I am?

I can't find Ramble even if I show all topics. Where did it go?

*sigh* Amy! ;-)

Ramble is back.

Amy, I came into this site with no other aim than to praise you to the skies for all you do to make it good for the rest of us. We appreciate you so much!! (And I really do love the new buttons -- I'm not just kissing up!)

Me too. I'm really for this new size and shape, kind to eyes as mentioned and it all looks so elegant, why even Lady Cath would find it hard to complain, like That is rather a small button you have got there!(Snorty look and vexed clicking of the mouse

Snorty look. I love that, Ann.

I saw it on a high res screen at the mall and really like it, I'm used to seeing it on my mono notebook. Nice job, Amy!

Oh good.

Amy As a newcomer, I gather that you are the host of this great site. Could you tell me how I can get into the drool spot? It keeps asking me for a password, but as i haven't registered I can't give it one. Help!! Kate

Sure, just go here: http://208.199.212.10/yapp-bin/restricted/index and add drool to your conference hotlist (bottom of page) If you really are not registered -- and I think you must be or you would not be able to post here, go to: http://208.199.212.10/yapp.html

Kate, use the same password you use to get here...don;t know why it asks for it again, but it does...

Oh, that's right, Cheryl, I think I set up the drool conference so you have to sign up even to read it. But I wasn't sure if the measure worked.

Thanks - worked like a charm

] , I think I set up the drool conference so you have to sign up even to read it. fwiw; it's never asked me for a password...

Anna: fwiw; it's never asked me for a password... If you've put the Drool Conference on your "hotlist" (as of course I have!) you can just hit the "next conference" button at the top and it will take you there without having to sign in again. Baby, I know how to get into the Drool Conference! ;-)

I never doubted it Cheryl ;-)

Carl, or somebody who had trouble getting into Spring, would you mind going over to the old board to see if you can identify whether their trouble getting in here may be similar to yours? I've said about all I can think to say to them. Some seem pretty new to computers and/or the net, so I've been trying to draw them out and spell out the exact trouble. But I feel so helpless, not quite understand what this bwowzo pwobwum actually is.

Amy, sorry about my hasty departure from PCR---AOL booted me off when I downloaded one of the sound files---said something about an illegal operation(?). Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. One more thing, frequently when I try to post I get the box which asks for my name and password but no matter how carefully I type it in, I get it 3 times and then get a message which says I am not authorized to access this document and then my message gets dumped (it has happened twice with this message!) Why?

Third time's the charm!;-)

Your browser has probably saved a misspelled user name or password from a while ago. The only solution is to keep saving correct ones until it "takes." That's a technical explanation.. ; )

Oh, something else to fault Aol for . . . . . . .;-)

From the Yapp conference. Does not look like any of our troubles have yet been fixed. Topic 49 of 49: Release Information Tue, Feb 18, 1997 (22:04) | Kaylene Thaler (kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us) The following is an update on added abilities, and bug fixes in the most recient versions of Yapp. *************** VERSION 3.0.14 ********************* Yapp now creates the partdir (participation directory) immediately. Previously, particpation directories could get trashed if they were being updated when the system crashed. Now particpation files are written atomically. From the WWW there was a malformed header error as a result of forgetting an item. This error has been fixed. There was an I/O bug on Solaris which has been fixed. The acl file now contains the proper information when a conference is created a file. If you enter a security number under the old system, the appropriate acl information is derived. The following have been added to Yapp: The commands `change cfjoin' and `display cfjoin'. Default .cflist, .cfrc, and .cfonce files are now allowed. The variables cancacl, canracl, canwacl, and canaacl have been added to allow checking for read/write/enter permissions to allow the web interface to be less ambiguous. ******************** VERSION 3.0.15 ********************* The bug in the acl file which allowed users to enter a responce when the acl file restriced who could respond has been fixed. Yapp was changed such that when you change a conference config file for a maillist conference, the maillist file is automatically updated. Mailing list conferences can now be linked to more than one mailing list. Line 6 of the conference config file can now contain comma separated email addresses. ********************* Future Release Information ********* In up and comming releases, the numbering system for Yapp will change. Any new functionality will have a 3.1.X number, and only bug fixes for current functions will follow the 3.0.X numbering scheme. If you want to follow the most recent developments follow the 3.1.X scheme. If you want stable code follow the 3.0.X Your current Yapp license will still be valid for both the 3.0.X and the 3.1.X schemes. numbering.

VERSION 3.0.15 The bug in the acl file which allowed users to enter a responce when the acl file restriced who could respond has been fixed. --------------------------------------- This may fix the austenarchive problem that I had to force. Have we been upgraded to this version? Should we test it?

Amy Not sure where to post this, and was sure you would spot it here. When I went to the opera tonight (Marraige of Figaro, Metropolitan) I nearly fell out of my seat when half way through the second act Cherubino starts singing Lizzy's Pemberly song (sigh) Is there a thread anywhere that talks about the music on P&P2 (ie, song names and sources etc) Nice to chat tonight. Will try to stop by on Saturday, but we are going to Empire Strikes Back (yes it's out this week) and we may be queuing (that's British/Australian for standing in line)

A new strain of the "everything old is new again" hit me Thursday. I have been using the "since/-1/new" method of viewing for a while, and read through all the new topic comments at 3 pm (est). At 8 pm some of these topics (all in the 190's, I believe) had everything old new again. Other topics displayed only the new messages.

Our system clock was off by about 20 hours! But I just set it for the correct time with the unix command date 970222233725.00 ... if anyone notes that the time is off please email me or Amy right away so we can reset it.

Right, Terry. Like I'd know how to do that. I'd have to ask "somebody."

In UNIX, when you type man date you get a manual on how to use the date command. The date command also sets the time. So to set the date *and* time at a shell prompt (similar to a dos prompt) you type something like this: bash$ date 970223075205 which will set the date to the year 97, the month 02 or Feb, the date the 23rd and the time the 07th hour and 52nd minute and 05th second. Does that help?

Okaay, so it wasn't just me - Thank You, Terry!

It wasn't just you, it was our whole system clock that was off. We're back on time now.

Does anybody else ever have a problem with the reponse area field disappearing? Sometimes I think it has to do with a stuffed cache; other times I'm not so sure.

Amy, I noticed this happening yesterday. I thought is was due to the atrocious response time on the system; the area just wasn't loading. Have you noticed it before?

] Have you noticed it before? ________ On occasion before yesterday, yes.

Hmmm. Does it happen randomly or is it related to something else, like response time?

Yes, I think it is related to response time.

Last couple of days it has been so slow here, I dread coming. I guess the system is getting too full again -- or something?

I have been thinking there was something wrong with my connection...so it is slow for everybody? Are the response numbers or postings or whatever being kept track of? Are they extremely highnumbered lately?

It was as slow as molasses for me yesterday, also. I thought it was on my end, but maybe it was here. I would think this should go faster since there is so much less now with the rest in archives. Of course, what would I know - I know zilch how this whole thing works!

Hi Inko, I'm delighted to bring your new chapters of Fitz to bed with me now. I'll read them and then maybe write a few line on my grownup Darcy bit...Wonder if Amy is doing her Mature Darcy ? This message is partly a time check...

No, Ann2, I haven't had the heart for anything like that lately.

Help! What's happening with Spring?? It was fine at 4:30 p.m. est, but by 5:00 p.m. est it's taking forever to load - it just took me 20 minutes to get into the main page!! I'm impatient - I hate waiting around like that!

The system keeps bouncing me out - I can't move from topic to topic ARGHHHH!

Kate - Or anyone else who may get in here. We are aware of the problem and are working on it. Sorry you are having such a hard time.

The amount of pictures must be a lot larger than it was earlier. Does this affect loading time of topics?

Graphics may slow down an individual topic, but the problems we were experiencing yesterday and the day before were system related.

I seem to be zooming through everything now, though! (Good thing as everything was "new")

I seem to be zooming through everything now, though! (Good thing as everything was "new")

I seem to be missing the fanfic topic. I have tried all--new--last week--forgotten and it does not appear on any of them. Is this happening to anyone else?

I seem to be missing the fanfic topic. I have tried all--new--last week--forgotten and it does not appear on any of them. Is this happening to anyone else? Fan Fiction through 2/24 was moved to the Austenarchive conference and we began having system problems before a new one was created. That has been remedied. Topic 201.

Thanks, Myretta.

We wouldn't want to leave you without a forum, Carolyn.

Myretta, you are too good.

AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!! Old is new strikes again! Circumstances: Several failed attempts to enter the Austen conf - some timed out, one resulting in a "server error" message, following which everything was new again.

Oh, no, Joan,too -- you appear to be in such pain. Is there nothing we can do to bring you relief? Shall we call your butler? A glass of wine, shall we get one?

I got hit with it a day or two ago. My dearest sympathies Joan. When I got hit, I had lots of unread messages and topics, so the theory that it only happens when everything is read doesn't apply.

Yesterday was my hit day. My cat sat on my lap for a long time while we went through them. Is there no cure? An "Everything new is old again" button? (Or a glass of wine, perhaps?)

I'm sorry Joan. I hope it wasn't because of the topic cleaning I have just been doing. But I wasn't doing any yesterday, or whenever Ann and Cheryl were stricken, so we can't point a definite finger at behinds-the-scenes work. Will we ever know?

Amy -- I was hit with a version of Oldiznu this afternoon. It happened right after I had switched to all in order to find a topic with no recent activity. When I switched back to "since/-1/new" I found that the topics which came up (containing current responses) had oldiznu-itis.

Amy/Joan I have had some trouble working out how to operate the sound-bits at austen test. I have left a message there... :-)

Joan, too, your message was a perfect indicator of your frustration. Having experienced OIN myself, I know that feeling well, but I was not nearly so good-natured about it. At the very least, you gave the rest of us a great laugh, which is always a very good thing! Sorry you had to be inconvenienced to produce it, though.

I have again been struck with old is new...the second time this week! I am most grievously to be pitied!

Is it my imagination, or has the Oldiznu bug been in hybernation until the last few days. Seems to me no one has complained about it for a month or so. Has the house cleaning at The Spring inadvertently let the cat back out of the bag? If so, what would have caused the mummy to arise out of its sarcophagus?

I am most grievously to be pitied! And you are, you are, Cheryl! For the sakes of all of you, I hope someone solves this 'crime' soon.

After hours of diddling, I think I have discovered a relatively efficient way to recover from All-Is-New. While at the main page of the Austen conference, with "all" selected, modify the location line in the browser to read /all/noresp. hit return/enter, and you will get another list of all conferences. Choose the first one. It will load with no responses shown. When it does, click the Next Topic button. Repeat till all topics have loaded in this way with no responses displayed! After this, hen you ask for "All new" nothing will be new. You can now read using -1 or last 7 days or whatever, and just the responses you have requested will be displayed. Topics with no recent activity will not appear. (Of course I only discovered this after I had already re-read - in some manner or other - all of the topics except for the last 6, but NEXT time, I shall be ready! I hope, though, that there will never again be any use for this technique - for anyone!)

Someone (?) requested that I post this here--sorry I can't recall who and sorry it's taken so long (my little one and I have been ill). Re: changing your computer's sounds First, this is for WIN95. Second, please don't hold me responsible if anything untoward occurs, I am a neophyte at this.;-) After you have downloaded wav files of your choice to your hard drive, click Start, go to settings, then control panel. Click on the 'sounds" icon. You will see a listing of every place that your computer has sounds or has the capability of producing sounds. (those with sounds will have a horn icon next to them). Choose one from the list (like Welcome) and double-click on it. A window will pop-up, showing which sound is saved for Welcome. Since you want to change this, click browse, and where it says look in' select your hard drive (C drive in my case). Find your downloaded files, select the one most appropriate to 'Welcome', preview it if necessary, then apply. A word of caution--my family is most annoyed with the longer files, but that's their problem, isn't it!;-) I hope this makes sense--will those of you who understand this better please jump in and straighten out any errors or confusing bits? Thanks!

And you are, you are, Cheryl! For the sakes of all of you, I hope someone solves this 'crime' soon. Susan, we have been fighting this battle since we came to the Spring and it doesn't look like we'll be able to fix this problem without help from the software developer. The best we can do is share ways to deal with it. Joan's solution is a good way to deal with it. Amy, is the "frozen" topic still there? Maybe we need to freeze more frequently. I haven't been struck since I started doing this on a regular basis.

Good fix, Joan. I had not even known about that "noresp" switch. Yes, Myretta. The dummy topic is still here. I am afraid I confused people at first, because, even after 3 months here, I still don't know all the Yapp lingo. It is topic 187, "Forget this topic." But see, I named it "Freeze this topic" at first and that wasn't right. Freeze is an admin function, forget a user thing.

#76 Meggin, I was the one who left you the message about downloading sounds. Thanks so much for responding -- Joan, too, also told me where to find lots to use. You're both great! Now if I can just get my husband as excited about it as I am (we share the computer)!

Meggin, I also hope you and your little one are all better now -- that nasty stuff is really going around.

Good fix, Joan. I had not even known about that "noresp" switch. And one that ought not to work! If you are displaying no responses, your markers ought not to change, but it appears that they do. Terry told us about the noresp option way back at the beginning when I asked how one could post a response in a topic that currently had no "new" postings in it without having to display the whole topic again just to get a text entry box.

I've been bumped on several responses. Thought I was getting paranoid and you just didn't like me or I was just too stupid to be in such brilliant company. I don't say that sarcastically, I really felt that way. NOW, Please tell me how to get to the rest of Cassandras sequel. I tried to go back to Feb 28 as directed and nothing happens. I gotta read it. It's great.

Claudia: NOW, Please tell me how to get to the rest of Cassandras sequel. I tried to go back to Feb 28 as directed and nothing happens. I gotta read it. It's great. Did you try the Derbyshire Writers Guild? It's at: http://www.spring.com/~anneh/derby/ and I hope that's right!

I've been bumped on several responses. Thought I was getting paranoid and you just didn't like me or I was just too stupid to be in such brilliant company. I don't say that sarcastically, I really felt that way. Boy, does it ever feel that way! When it (the bumping) occurs there seems to be no remedy for it and it can quickly reduce one to tears. It is the most frustrating, annoying, aggravating, maddening (don't pick just one of these--it is all of these and more) occurance I have ever experienced!:-(

Am I the only one missing the CF thread on drool? It disappeared yesterday for me, and I am going through agonies of withdrawal! Can anyone put me out of my misery? Please????

I just got bumped, too

Am I the only one missing the CF thread on drool? It disappeared yesterday for me, Nothing is gone - the software just marked it as already seen. You can see everything again by chosing "All" (instead of "new") at the entry page, or see the stuff posted within the last week by choosing that option. (And if you are very unlucky, the fates may decide to curse you with the "Old-is-new" syndrome, and ALL of your place markers will be moved back to the beginning - a major bummer! All of these things are unpleasant bugs in the YAPP software, and not anything to be taken personally.

Don't mean to get whiny about this, but he really isn't there! Not in "All," not in "Since Last Week," and not in "New." Whatever can it be?

Susan, I am doing some other maintenance right now, but as soon as I am finished I will check it out. The Firth topic in drool -- right?

Yes, Amy, and I found that if I go in with another name (same password), I can have him! So I must have killed that thread on my original bookmark -- is there any way to get it back? I think I was trying to copy a picture from there yesterday, and got a Transfer Interrupted! message -- would that do it?

I think I was trying to copy a picture from there yesterday, and got a Transfer Interrupted! message -- would that do it? No, that could just mark everything in the topic as already seen - but accidentally clicking the "forget" button would make it not appear in your list of topics at all unless you use the "remember" button to retrieve it.

] I think I was trying to copy a picture from there yesterday, and got a Transfer Interrupted! message -- would that do it? No, that could just mark everything in the topic as already seen - but accidentally clicking the "forget" button would make it not appear in your list of topics at all unless you use the "remember" button to retrieve it. __ As Cheryl would say, "Yeah, right. What she said."

Cheryl's quote is so valuable, for chat and other places, I thought it needed a picture.

Good thought - but maybe it should say "what s/he said"? Sometimes the guys say things worth agreeing with, too. ;-)

Good thought - but maybe it should say "what s/he said"? Sometimes the guys say things worth agreeing with, too. ;-)

(((stupid reload button should not repost!!!)))

As I said in chat, Joan, it happens so rarely that guys have anything worthwhile to say, it did not seem work the grammatical awkwardness.

not seem work the grammatical awkwardness. __ not seem worth

Susan - If you click the 'Forgotten' button on the top of your conference menu, you will see any topics you have inadvertently 'forgotten'. You can then open up the topic and you wil see a "Remember" button at the top. This will re-activate it for you.

The barton.spring.com machine was down but I went and fixed it last night. I got an email from beverly, a new user, who says that she couldn't post a new topic (Kevin Costner) in 'drool'. Amy, are topics only postable by members or hosts in 'drool'.

Thanks for all of the suggestions, but none of them seem to work. (I must have done something really bad!) When I press the "Forget" button, I get a Server Error message, so that can't help me. Anyway, I thank you all for the kind words -- I can still get to him by signing on under a different name, and I may have to be satisfied with that.

This Oldiznu thing has to be the single more infuriating software bug I've ever been so unfortunate to have my time stolen from. Is it my imagination or is is getting more frequent? Cheryl reported two occurances recently now I've been hit after having been stricken only 10 days ago. I hate this.

Amy -- Re: your gender-biased graphic in message 93:

Hey Amy, first the business card, now this, I'm touched, words fail...I'll let Joan fill in the rest, then I can use my handy, dandy new gif!

Henry, when you say something or show something in here it is almost always something worth taking a look at. But the picture is mostly for chat. And look, you have to admit that chat is another matter. Much as we all of us think you and Ian are darlings for putting up with our abuse, you must allow that we don't often trip over each other to be the first to say, "Oh yes! I agree with you, Henry!" And if we did, what fun would that be?

This is too much! I have now been stricken with Old Is New for the second time in three days!! First Sunday night, now NOW! How shall I bear all this frustration?

Oh my dear Anne! Please allow me to condole with you for I know exactly how you feel! You are indeed most grievously to be pitied and you have my deepest sympathies in your time of trial. (Try the all/since/-1 aid that many have recommended and it will pass more quickly.)