Emma2
Topic 170 · 109 responses · archived october 2000
~Kali
Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (16:37)
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This thread is for the discussion of the Northam/Paltrow version of Emma. I understand that the VirtView isn't scheduled until the film's video release in April, but for the sake of the Emma3 people, maybe we Emma2 devotees should emote over here...;)
~Serena
Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (17:10)
#1
What a good idea. Emma2 should natutally be part of the Austen Conference and be well presented in Drool too- Without the video release, buying the 3rd Emma novel seemed the most logical thing to tide me over till mid-April - with protraits and photography from the movie of EMMA2 . Fav. scene is definitely
when Ms Weston and Emma tries to find out about his feelings for Jane and he looked to obvsiouly uncomfortable - compared toEmma3's "anyone can tell how highly I regard Jane" and MS walking away directly after amd looking almost annoyed with Emma and Mrs Weston.
~cassandra
Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (17:20)
#2
FINALLY! It's too difficult picking my favorite scene, moment, look, line, reaction shot.....I do love the dance scene though. I melt everytime I think about his whom are you going to dance with? SIgh. I confess that I play my Emma2 CD all the time. It brings back many treasured/happy memories of the film.
~Serena
Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (17:26)
#3
Yes, I see what you mean Cassandra, your very mention of the dance scene brings more 'expressive' looks back to mind.. what a great performance by JN.. so vulnerable, yet masculine and definitely accurate to my idea of Knightley. Oh no.. is this becoming another drool page??
~Kali
Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (19:20)
#4
As much as I dearly love Jeremy Northam, let's keep the drool to a dignified minimum, shall we? ;)
This is beginning to remind me about the story of old friends who assign numbers to their jokes, punchlines and all. You know, the one where the outsider is listening, puzzled, as these people shout out seemingly random numbers which are met with raucous laughter. Then, when he offers his own random number, they all look at him and say, "That one was never that funny." So, shall we assign Emma2 scenes with numbers, and save ourselves the necessity of having to spell everything out yet again? ;)
My votes are cast for the pianoforte scene (the agony, the ecstacy) and the proposal scene ('nuff said).
~bernhard
Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (19:41)
#5
I thought it was 'cause he couldn't tell a joke
~cassandra
Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (20:34)
#6
Agreed. Let's try to keep the drooling over at the Northam topic. We want to catch up to Mr Firth, anyways! But Yes Serena! Vulnerable and masculine-that elusive, endearing combination.
You know what I also loved about Emma2: the casting of Sophie Thompson(she should have been nominated for an oscar) and Phyllida Law as the Bates. I loved the scene with Harriet and Emma: "remember MOTHER- not JANE'S DAY!" Hysterical! ANd since I never fail to bring up JN: I thought he was brilliant(again the range of expression) sitting between the Bates-the scene when they are admiring Mr Frank Churchill's letter.
~Ann
Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (21:20)
#7
"I thought it was 'cause he couldn't tell a joke"
That's what I thought too. The man goes back to his table and asks a friend what went wrong? Why did no one laugh at my joke, they laughed at everyone elses? and the guy says: It's all in how you tell it.
~Kali
Thu, Feb 27, 1997 (00:50)
#8
Different versions, I guess.
~Serena
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (09:14)
#9
Can anyone remember?? I'm having trouble recalling the scenes in Emma2 - how was Harriet introduced? With Harriet's portrait & "too tall" scene, was Knightley present when Elton says he was going to frame the picture?
"Your entire personality is a riddle, Mr Knightley!" how did that fit?
After the archery scene, did Emma have to bounce her nieice to 'regain' friendship with him??
Been watching Emma3 & trying to find redeming qualities in MS's Knightley and now am completely confused.
~Amy
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (09:30)
#10
You know, my memories of Emma2 are foggy, too. And while we are on the topic, maybe I should make public a confession made in chat to Kali and Cass.
I never gave Emma2 a fair chance to win my heart. I saw it once, during its first run and while I was still deep in my P&P2 obsession. I would have been satisfied with nothing that was at all different from P&P2.
I'll have a clearer head when the video comes out.
~Serena
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (09:38)
#11
Amy, glad I'm not alone - but only with memory comment - though I did watch the movie 3 times.. now I wonder why I stopped at 3!! Mid-Apr is still so long off!!..Need some photos in here!!
~Donna
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (10:16)
#12
~Donna
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (10:21)
#13
I cut and pasted,it is much easier then typing. I am glad it worked.
~JohanneD
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (11:01)
#14
Amy : I never gave Emma2 a fair chance to win my heart. I saw it once, during its first run and while I was still deep in my P&P2 obsession. I would have been satisfied with nothing that was at all different from P&P2
Funny you're mentionning this Amy, been watching P&P3 the last 2 days and it's exactly the way I feel about this lastest version. My obsession was to compare it to Emma2 thus extreme dissatisfaction. Mark Strong's Knightley seems now less angry and I can enjoy subtilities I could not before. But the more I see photos and hear about the scenes of Emma2 oh how I cannot wait to see it again, sigh...
Missed being here too ;)
Now for our eyes :
link to the trailer AVI form http://www.miramax.com/media/clips/avi/emma_01.avi or QT http://www.miramax.com/media/clips/mov/emma_01.mov
~cassandra
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (13:02)
#15
reg. # 9:
Serena, to answer your questions: Mr Knightely first met Harriet at Hartfield; remember the scene when Emma introduces Harriet to Mr Elton: "Emma, I was wondering where you were?" As for the "the too tall scene", I only remember Mr Knightley being present for the actual "framing scene." Mr Woodhouse is there when Elton insists on travelling to London. As for the "riddle line"(love Doug Mcgrath), Emma is asking Mr Elton to contribute a riddle for her and Harriet's amusement. This is her playful retort to M
Knightley when he asks why he wasn't asked to contribute. Finally, the scene with little Emma-is their "agree to disagree" reconciliation after the archery scene: "come shake hands me with me." I loved Jeremy here-you really see Mr Knightley's deep love for Emma, his admiration for the sincere, uncomplicated attention she showers on her niece.
Donna-THAnks for the pic. I think I'm going to take up archery!
~cassandra
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (13:05)
#16
And Johanne-thank-you too. The dance scene! SIGH! Will April never come????
~Ann
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (13:51)
#17
Her response to the riddle question is:
"Your whole personality is a riddle, Mr. Knightley. I thought you over-qualified."
~Kali
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (13:56)
#18
Mr. Knightley was indeed not there during the "too tall" scene, if I recall correctly. He is present, however, while the painting is in the process of creation, which illustrates his general uninthusiasm with the whole Harriet-Elton scheme Emma has dreamed up, and, consequently, the whole painting affair. They are outside, Harriet dressed in her ridiculous Grecian garb, with Emma drawing at her easel. Mr. Elton stands behind it, admiring profusely, while Mr. Knightley skeptically eyes both the pitiful
eginnings of the drawing (which, according to Elton, so promisingly and exactly reflect Harriet's features) and the obviousness of Elton's interest in ingratiating Emma. I loved it!
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Amy, thanks for coming out. I don't blame you for feeling as you did. Nothing is so perfectly Austen as P&P2. My question is, however, whether or not Emma would have made as successful a five-hour miniseries as P&P does...P&P is sagalike in its romance. It develops like a soap opera, almost. Emma is more of a nicely-pieced comedy of errors which remains almost entirely unresolved, to us as well as the main character, until the end. Because of this, I wonder if it could truly hold interest and retai
the tightness of storyline over several hours as P&P2 did (not to mention the fact that it's 100 pages longer than P&P).
While plot detail and aspects of time and chronology are crucical to the story in P&P, Emma seems to be much more conceptually-oriented. Development is important, but its major moments don't HAVE to be marked by specifically-situated events on a timeline (such as Darcy's first proposal and subsequent letter) save for Elton's proposal and Box Hill. As we've seen in P&P0, brevity can lead to erroneous disaster for P&P, while Emma can be - and has been - compacted believably. Perhaps that's why Birtwistle a
d Davies decided to cram it into two hours. I don't know much about Emma1, but I would be interested in finding out whether or not it gave any indications as to the potential for long, Post-P&P2 Emma adaptations.
~Kali
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (14:00)
#19
I thougth the exact term used by McGrath was "enigma"... Or did I just dream that up?
~Serena
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (18:43)
#20
Donna and Johanne - You Beauties!! Thanks for the pics.. now why didn't Mr Knightley ever take a bath.. .. sorry Kali,,I know, wrong conference .. just came out of drool - it's hard to switch modes..
Thanks for the memory perks - I now need a dose of his fabulous voice - think, I'll move over to Kaff's video for now. Keep posting those wonderful scenes!! please..
~Susan
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (21:50)
#21
I don't know much about Emma1, but I would be interested in finding out whether or not it gave any indications as to the potential for long, Post-P&P2 Emma adaptations.
It fit the bill nicely, IMO, and I recommend it. I watched it again earlier this week just to compare it to Emma3, and I like them both a lot for different reasons. I must admit, however, that you ladies intrigue me with all this talk of Emma2. I don't remember it totally, just that I saw it once and had no burning desire to see it again. Will be giving it another try on video, though.
~elder
Fri, Feb 28, 1997 (22:32)
#22
Indeed, I happen to like all three Emma adaptations. Emma1 really does cover the story nicely; it is not as cinematically pretty (or complicated), but some of the casting is superb (best Mr Woodhouse, IMO).
Come April I shall own all three versions of Emma (plus several copies of the novel, and one audiotape version -- do I appear to be obsessive?). So I can pick and choose, when I am not watching one of the adaptations of the other novels. It is nice to have such choices. :-)
~Kali
Sat, Mar 1, 1997 (00:38)
#23
Choices indeed! I'm right with you, Kathleen (BTW, FATAL INVERSION came today...thanks a million!)...I now have four copies of the novel, an audiotape version, and will have 2 of three adaptations by April (my Emma3 arrived today). I'd also like to order Emma1 sometime this month...cashflow permitting. ;)
~Serena
Sat, Mar 1, 1997 (17:37)
#24
Excuse the ignorance, but an audio-tape (as the name implies) would be "voices' of which Emma version?? "Panic, horrors...Or maybe it is plainly read straight from the book by un-familiar voices?? Tell me if I've been missing out on additional fun!
Kathleen, I understand the enjoyment of picking the adaptation which suits me at the time and watching it over.. can't be obsession?! Sounds perfectly healthy to most JA addicts...
Fatal Inversion is absolutely unheard off where I live - more dumb questions.. Is it anything like carrington? Or do we get more than 2 mins of him?
~elder
Sat, Mar 1, 1997 (19:44)
#25
]Fatal Inversion is absolutely unheard off where I live - more dumb questions.. Is it anything like carrington? Or do we get more
than 2 mins of him?
Oh my, yes indeedy. A great deal of JN -- both in minutes and gorgeous body! (If you would like to borrow it, my copy is currently w/ Kali who is to send it on to Winter -- I could ask her to send it to you if you want. email me at kelder@miworld.net with you address if so.)
~Kali
Sat, Mar 1, 1997 (20:07)
#26
Serena, bookserve sells an abridged cassette version of Emma read by Jeremy Northam...;) That's the version I have.
~bernhard
Sat, Mar 1, 1997 (22:06)
#27
Kali, read by WHOM?
~Kali
Sun, Mar 2, 1997 (01:55)
#28
JEREMY! JEREMY!! JEREMY!!!
Thanks, Cindy. :)
~Ann
Sun, Mar 2, 1997 (12:04)
#29
For those of you who can not wait for the video release, check the movie listings in your town. Emma2 is currently in its second release, which generally means it plays at budget theaters. Here in Minneapolis it is playing in at least four theaters (for about $2.00). I think I'll go see it today.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
~Ann
Sun, Mar 2, 1997 (12:05)
#30
Make that:
~bernhard
Sun, Mar 2, 1997 (12:45)
#31
Kali, happy (!) to be of service. Any time! (tho' I was hoping for the one with the bit of goatee)
~cassandra
Sun, Mar 2, 1997 (12:45)
#32
I hate you Ann! Just kidding. My sister smugly told me that its playing in Ottawa again at the Mayfair. She wouldn't tell me if she's going to see it or not. She likes to torture me. My favorite time seeing Emma2 was at the Mayfair;,they had a Jane Austen marathon-begining and ending with Emma2, including Persuasion and S&S. JN: twice in one day. What a thought!
You know what I wish-that Miramx had released Doug Mcgrath's screenplay, complte of course with delectable, colour photographs from the film!
~cassandra
Sun, Mar 2, 1997 (12:50)
#33
Cindy-I am certain she will only be too happy to oblige.
JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY! JEREMY!
~Serena
Sun, Mar 2, 1997 (18:39)
#34
I always thought I was living in the wrong country..now I'm bloody sure..
Ann - will you oblige with quotable- quotes, just to refresh my memory - it's all fading..desperately.. with each additional viewing of Emma3.
Since I've caught Emma2 thrice while on holidays - anyone think it might be/or still showing in New York in about 2 weeks time..???
Kathleen, thanks for the generous offer of Fatal - I'm tempted but I live in Sushi-land, might be too far out of the way for your video to travel and for Winter to re-direct it to Thanks a bunch!! Will try to pick up a copy when I'm next in the US..
~bernhard
Sun, Mar 2, 1997 (21:47)
#35
Kali, can you give me more detailed info on your coveted cassete tape? Danke.
~Kali
Mon, Mar 3, 1997 (03:45)
#36
It's really cool, and it's like 35 bucks, and it takes forever to get to you...and you can get it from http://www.bookserve.com
That what ya had in mind? ;)
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Oh, Kathleen, dearest...I viewed A Fatal Inversion tonight, and I'm still in an ecstatic shock. Bless you! The whole story reminded me of my sorority days, but, alas, we had no beautiful Rufus in the house to make up for the crazies...;)
~Kali
Mon, Mar 3, 1997 (03:48)
#37
Oh, here ya go, Cindy...
~cassandra
Mon, Mar 3, 1997 (13:32)
#38
Everytime I see that picture I get the same reaction. And since this isn't the Northam drool topic, I won't get into particulars. Smile. Like Emma2, repeated viewings never diminish its magic touch!
~Kali
Mon, Mar 3, 1997 (13:51)
#39
Like nobody knew this would become Drooling II? PLEEZE!
~bernhard
Mon, Mar 3, 1997 (22:12)
#40
Kali, that was exactly the info I wanted! Now, can you help more - I don't want to shell out the $ for some mere imposter! I found a 4 cassette set, ISBN: 1885546106. Yes?
I am so indebted for the foto!
~ValGal17
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (17:11)
#41
Oh wow! Jeremy Northam is a much better Mr. Knightly than the guy from Emma3.
~cassandra
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (17:19)
#42
JEREMY NORTHAM IS MR KNIGHTLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't resist.
~kate
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (18:21)
#43
OK all you Emma 2 fans. I haven't bought into this debate cause I've only seen each version once, and that's just not enough to go by.
HOWEVER. I have one major objection to Emma 2. It's a little thing really. All the way through the film we get little voice overs of Emma's thoughts - that I can tolerate. But towards the end she starts one such thought "Dear Diary..."
Now, first of all there is nothing in the book to suggest E was writing a diary Why not just leave it as a voice over.
And second, I know nothing about these things, but it seems to me to be a bit anachronistic. I mean, I'm sure young women wrote diaries or journals or whatever in the early 19C, but when did the habit of self-consciously addressing one's diary as a person arise? It seems like a very modern, teenagery thing to do.
Any thoughts?
~Serena
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (18:22)
#44
You saved me the trouble, Cass.
~cassandra
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (18:46)
#45
reg. #43: I'm going to try hard to hold my tongue, but you "major objection" and "a little thing really" seem to contradict each other.
As for the "dear diary" scene, I thought it was perfectly acceptable/believable way to showcase Emma's thoughts/feelings. I hate repeated, sudden voice-overs in movies-the Age of Innocence comes to mind. It really only works as a device on the stage.
~Serena
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (19:23)
#46
"Dear Diary, today I tried not to think of Mr Knightley..I didin't think of him as I prepared the week's food list.. (help me out all you muliple-viewers of Emma2)..plucked the daisies.." I thought it was only meant as a light touch to Emma's obvious delusions to her own self-control in matters of the heart. This adaption wonderfully captured the humour in the novel. She realised her interference with Harriet's life had ruined her happiness, and in Emma's own way, did suffer greatly. She did hava lively i
agination that would have saved her from utter despair. GP brought it out excellently.
~cassandra
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (19:58)
#47
"This adaptation wonderfully captured the humour in the novel.."
YES!!!! I completely agree. I too thought Emma's delusions and active imagination were well presented/illustrated by the diary scenes. Much more effective than the dreams in Emma3. I especially liked the scene when she's reflecting that if Mr Knightley could only have seen her kindness to the Bates. he would not find fault...Followed by that incredible close-up of Jeremy KNightley kissing her hand! OOH BABY!!!!!
~cassandra
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (20:05)
#48
On a related note, I know the same scene in Emma3 was more faithful to the novel. Mr KNightley doesn't actually kiss her hand before leaving for London. And while it was a perfectly touching and emotion-filled moment in the novel, I thought it translated poorly on film-stifled, awkward. IMO, the same scene in Emma2 and the tears in GP's eyes and of course JN's expressive face were more effective.
So, hand-kissing or no hand-kissing???
~kate
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (20:40)
#49
]reg. #43: I'm going to try hard to hold my tongue, but you "major objection" and "a little thing really" seem to contradict each other.
I suppose what I was trying to say in a fairly incoherent and hurried way, was that its the only thing that I found REALLY wrong and yet in the greater scheme of the film it was quite a small thing. Basically saying I really liked the movie, but there was just this one thing which really stood out for me.
I don't object to the voiceovers per se - it does give you a real insight into Emma's development. It's just the sudden introduction of "dear diary" near the end.
~Kali
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (22:36)
#50
Jeremy didn't really kiss Gwyneth's hand, either...he just came much closer...the book merely states that Mr Knightley takes the hand, almost as if to kiss it, implying that he never follows through with the bending motion, and then drops it:
"...he took her hand, pressed it, and certainly was on the point of carrying it to his lips - when, from some fancy or another, he suddenly let it go."
...So yes, Mark Strong's (in)action is more orthodox, but Jeremy's is not completely wrong...it all depends on how you define "on the point of"...
~Kali
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (22:38)
#51
Don't worry about it Kate...I understand what you meant..."Dear Diary" is a silly thing to write in a journal...and I'm sure that's why McGrath decided to use it! ;)
~Amy
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (22:54)
#52
Good point, Kal, re Dear Diary being silly in a good way. Emma was meant to be laughed at in a way that JA never intended us to laugh at other heroines. In the other novels, she only gives us entertainment from the jerks.
But it is still a serious story! (Kind of.)
~Kali
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (23:07)
#53
Of course! Like you said months ago, Amy...Emma is both funny and serious (though not grave) - just like life. Even clowns cry (I'm listening to Pagliacci, can you tell?)...
~Amy
Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (23:24)
#54
I did hear that. Even from Bloomington. The Berkeley to IU academia nut flavored thought waves must be particularly strong tonight.
~Kali
Wed, Mar 5, 1997 (01:34)
#55
academia nut flavored thought waves
Very colorful image, Aim...I love it! ;)
~cassandra
Wed, Mar 5, 1997 (16:25)
#56
You know-I could have SWORN that he did kiss her hand. It's kind of a moot point anyway. For we all know which version I prefer! Maybe I dreamt that he was kissing my hand???
~Serena
Thu, Mar 6, 1997 (01:38)
#57
Oops Cass, I think I also remember him kissing it. But it was very becoming of him.. that gratified look and then the kiss on her hand. Cannot wait till mid April!!
On another note - from the book - what went wrong between Jane and Frank? He had to go suddenly back to Encombe since aunt was ill but when he next appeared in the Strawberry scene, they had a misunderstanding. Did she suspect him to be inclined towards Emma??
~Kali
Fri, Mar 7, 1997 (02:04)
#58
For the long answer on Frank and Jane from my brain, go to http://www.spring.com/~anneh/kali1.html
;)
~Kali
Fri, Mar 7, 1997 (02:05)
#59
oops, make that link:
http://www.spring.com/~anneh/derby/kali1.html
~Serena
Fri, Mar 7, 1997 (02:12)
#60
KALI.. That was superb. it was enjoyably long. I now believe you - you do not sleep. I now recall, Jane had imposed a limit on her visit to her Aunt's and Grandmother's and it was universally know that she had put that 'deadline' off to accomodate Frank's inaction. It would appear he did want that inheritance more than he loved her!!
~haker
Fri, Mar 7, 1997 (13:56)
#61
Having been the most recent viewer of the film (just on Sunday) I can tell you that Knightley dies indeed kiss Emma's hand.
~Serena
Sat, Mar 8, 1997 (02:59)
#62
Haker, and he does it so graciously too. Are you rubbing this in? Just having seen it recently!!! I cannot stand this wait for it's release in mid April.
~Kali
Sat, Mar 8, 1997 (04:24)
#63
He does? Well, it has been since december...imagine! Mistaking textual detail for something that happens in a movie adaptation! Leonard Maltin would have me hung fromt he ceiling by my THUMBS!!!!! ;)
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Glad you liked it, Serena...
~cassandra
Sat, Mar 8, 1997 (15:17)
#64
It's been way too long. The last time-Oct 30-the JA marathon. I remember every detail-everyone was in grey raincoats. I should have worn blue, but I wore my favorite Emma-esque dress. I'm Gatsby and Rick Blaine!
I can't wait to see the "kiss" again, the hand and the proposal one. OOH baby! All of the face caressing-the Astaire-Rogers carioca pose. "You must remember this, a kiss is still a kiss, a sigh is still a sigh. The fundamental things apply as time goes byyyyyyyyy......It's still the same old story. A fight for Love and Glory-a case of do or die." I forget the rest.
~Susan
Sat, Mar 8, 1997 (15:53)
#65
The fundamental things apply
As time goes by.
I own a copy of Casablanca (thoughtful Christmas gift from hubby many years ago), and watch it at least annually. Heavy *SIGH*
~candace
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (11:19)
#66
This was the first song that my husband and I danced to at our wedding -- needless to say, it holds a very tender place in my heart.
~Kali
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (22:25)
#67
It's one of my dad's favorites.
~candace
Mon, Mar 10, 1997 (22:15)
#68
Oh fine, Kali -- compare me to a grown up woman's parent, It's not like I don't feel old enough...Ooops, I think that I am as old as your dad. ;-)
~Kali
Tue, Mar 11, 1997 (03:48)
#69
Me a grown-up woman? That's a snort...! ALso, my dad is a good eleven years older than you are, so fret not!
~churchh
Wed, Mar 12, 1997 (16:38)
#70
Topic 202 of 219 [austen]: Emma2
Response 53: Kali Pappas (Kali) * Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (23:07)
Of course! Like you said months ago, Amy...Emma is both funny and
serious (though not grave) - just like life. Even clowns cry (I'm
listening to Pagliacci, can you tell?)...
My favorite version of Pagliacci is by Spike Jones ("Seven hours later, we're still in the durn the-ayter")
;-)
Almost up there with Tom Lehrer...
~Kali
Wed, Mar 12, 1997 (21:40)
#71
You delight in vexing us, don't you, H?
~Donna
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (00:16)
#72
~Serena
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (00:41)
#73
It's terrible being torn between Mark Strong and Jeremy Northam!! My loyalty fluctuates so wildly, I'm beginning to suspect something's amiss in my life.. could it be only one month to the release of Emma2? Or are these internet groups taking over my life completely? Or could it just be that I cannot get the current season of X-files on local or cable TV?
Donna, well done with that pic. Now I'm back in focus, JN is Mr Knightley and MS does a good job at it!!
~eljo
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (01:41)
#74
For the fellow Swedes visiting this conference I just want to tell that you should be able to get your hands on Emma2 now. I got the tape yesterday and you can all guess what I was up to last night. And I must agree with the person that said that Jeremy Knightley sure knows how to snog. The tape avalible is the British version and imported to Sweden (so the lack of subtitles is a big bonus).
~Kali
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (03:44)
#75
Frailty, thy name is Serena! ;) Indeed, do not say that man forgets sooner than woman...How can you be so fickle?
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~Serena
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (03:54)
#76
But, I saved myself at the end..I declared JN to be Mr Knightley and MS only doing a good job at it!! Please !! Let me back into Emma2..
~Kali
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (04:07)
#77
Okay, I'll let you live...;)
~Serena
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (04:09)
#78
Phew... that was a close shave..
So what's happening on the X-files this season??
~Kali
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (04:10)
#79
No clue...don't watch it much anymore. My tv broke, and I don't have much time anyway...:(
~Serena
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (04:13)
#80
Term papers huh?? I'm preparing one for the hubby cos he's so busy doing all sorts of other things at work. What a chore!!
~cassandra
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (11:26)
#81
The person who said Jeremy Knightley knows how to snog....
Elisabeth-I proudly claim that distinction! Many a times, I sat in the theatre wishing I could magically jump into the screen and beat GP to HIM, like BUster Keaton in Sherlock HOlmes, JR! THE MAN CAN SNOG!!! The KISS is a most elusive and intimate bit of business. Most men don't have a clue how to do it right-far too much groping and python action. BUT, JEREMY KNIGHTLEY......
"I do not see why your lips do not dare one..It is the divine pilgrimage of the soul to the heart...."
~cassandra
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (11:30)
#82
Serena-I kinda gave up on the X-files after that silly reincarnation episode with the multiple Mulder close-ups. Tuned in a few weeks ago, though, and it wasn't bad: Scully was sick, Mulder was going nuts(as usual-and so becomingly in a black turtleneck and leather jacket!)and Skinner sold his soul to Cancer Man to save Scully and Mulder.
~Serena
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (16:14)
#83
Thks Cass, needed that Mulder description to keep going, it's the intense yet witty, single-focused and yet sensitive character of mulder's that keeps me wanting more. Could that have described my dearest Mr Knightley alias JN?
Poor Skinner...
~Hollis
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (16:30)
#84
I have just found this bastion of Emma2 fans and I must say it is a relieve to know I am not the only person who is crazy about this movie. I can finallly admit that I saw this movie 10 times! Thank God for matinees!! Someone mentioned that the video will be out in April, but will we be able to buy it then or is it just in video stores then?
~Kali
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (18:13)
#85
Hi, Hollis...I was wondering if any of the Northamlanders would make it over here...:)
~Kali
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (03:31)
#86
Boy, it's been quiet in here lately...we wander about aimlessly until those buttmunches over at Miramax give us our damn video. I don't think they quite understand the gravity of the situation...oh, absolute power corrupts absolutely! Give us our movie! Learn to SHARE!!!!
~churchh
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (05:38)
#87
Kali -- here's a graphic that you might add to your homepage ;-)
~ayelet
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (05:55)
#88
If JA only knew how wrong she was!
~Kali
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (17:51)
#89
No kidding, Ayelet!
Bless you, Henry...:)
~LynnMarie
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (19:53)
#90
I too am dying for this video, but will it be $100 when it comes out? Your wonderful pictures are not making it any easier, though everyone!!!! But at least it reminds me of how droolworthy JN is!!! I was having trouble remembering what he looked like!!! Where do you get these pictures?!! I wish there was a theater around here that was playing it!! I'm going to have to go watch something to get this out of my system now!!
~LynnMarie
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (19:55)
#91
Do you think I could have used any more exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~LynnMarie
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (20:30)
#92
Might I add one more thing? (yes, it's me again!!!) Is anyone else bugged by Frank's awful hair??!! (more exclamation points! Not sure what's with me today). I just can't stand it. It's just too frizzy.
Kate, I agree with you about the "dear diary" bit. Why put it in then? I don't mind the voice overs in this though.
~Amy
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (20:38)
#93
I'm with Kali on the diary thing. It is in there because it is so silly -- so Emma.
~elder
Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (21:36)
#94
Amy: . . . on the diary thing. It is in there because it is so silly -- so Emma.
Ohh, so maybe that explains the prayer, too. Another silly, Emma kind of thing?
~Kali
Wed, Mar 19, 1997 (00:32)
#95
"If he can't marry me, Lord, please don't let him marry another. I would be perfectly content if he would just remain single...ALMOST!"
I like how she's looking up, facing on-high...silly, silly, silly!
~Ann
Wed, Mar 19, 1997 (00:34)
#96
Kali, what are you doing here. There's a party in the drawing room.
~cassandra
Wed, Mar 19, 1997 (13:16)
#97
I LOOOOOOOVE the church scene-such an "EMMA" moment. I loved that whole sequence-when she tries not to think about Mr KNightley-can't sleep and takes Harriet's portrait down, replacing it with the dog. And of course: "we really shouldn't keep daisies in the garden. They really are such drab little floweres."
UGH!!! MIRAMAX IS TOO CRUEL!!!!!!
~Serena
Fri, Mar 21, 1997 (19:20)
#98
Hi all, back from beautiful Sydney and guess what - I caught the one day re-run of EMMA!!! Couldn't believe my luck, I watched it in Aust. in Nov last year and now again.
Anyway, with memories afresh.. that Dear Diary bit did stick out a bit from her previous journal recordings. The church scene was a gem. It showed the way her mind worked and her 'dillusions' pertaining to matters of her own heart. He remain single INDEED!! She could not have continued with him only being single.. oh what a fantastic movie and JN!!!!! what a Knightley. Can anyone tell that I'm on cloud nine again.
Yes, Lynn Lamy, Frank's aweful hair.
~Serena
Sat, Mar 22, 1997 (18:09)
#99
Where's everybody????
~Kali
Sun, Mar 23, 1997 (01:05)
#100
Frank's hair WAS bad...all the more reason for the haircut, though I can't say it did him much good...
~Serena
Sun, Mar 23, 1997 (02:58)
#101
Strangely enough in Emma2, Frank did not take that day trip for the much required haircut. Could this add to the humour in the movie??
~Kali
Sun, Mar 23, 1997 (15:30)
#102
"Myself creating what I saw..."
~Serena
Sun, Mar 23, 1997 (19:23)
#103
Kali, I know that feeling, after reading the novel again I can sometimes swear that that a certain scene took place in the adaptation and then, when I watch for the scene, it's not there. Hope it's not a sign of age catching up.. with me anyway.
~Kali
Mon, Mar 24, 1997 (16:59)
#104
That's two "continuity" errors on my part...I need to see this film again! It could be worse, you know - I COULD be confusing the film for the novel! ;)
~Serena
Tue, Mar 25, 1997 (03:23)
#105
What's the latest on the release date for this video?
~Kali
Tue, Mar 25, 1997 (04:09)
#106
April 15...
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And hey, it's now official...We won an ACADEMY AWARD!!!!
Hats off to Rachel Portman for her moving score, which netted the best Musical or Comedy Score...(I awear, the people who initiated the division of the score awards must have anticipated the existence of TEP...even if it was years in advance!). Kudos also to Ruth Myers, who was nominated for costume design...
~Hollis
Tue, Mar 25, 1997 (10:45)
#107
Hello fellow Emma2 lovers. I have some info. on Frank's hair - it is a wig! You would think they could have done a better job. His own hair was so short from doing "Trainspotting" that they had no choice but to give him a wig.
Also, according to Mirimax, the April 15 video release will cost approx. $100. This summer the price is suppose to come down. I don't think I can wait that long!! I know I will be the first person in line at my local Blockbuster on April 15 so I can rent Emma2 and watch it over and over and over and over...
Questions to you all: do you usually get on line together at some time ? By looking at the postings it looks like you all know when to get on and talk with the others. I would love to join you sometime if I knew when to log on. Can I join your fun? :)
~cassandra
Tue, Mar 25, 1997 (14:23)
#108
Bravo to Rachel Portman!!! She deserved to win. Wonderfully romantic and evocative score. And a classy lady-she thanked Doug McGrath in her acceptance speech.
WElcome Hollis. Wow-100 bucks. That's like Persuasion. Have you been to Pemberley?
~Hollis
Tue, Mar 25, 1997 (17:02)
#109
Thanks for the welcome and no, I haven't been to Pemberley. Is this a place I would like to go to?
I bought Persuasion the other day for $19.95. I guess the price has finally come down.