The English Patient

Cleo, do you know is Kirsten Scott-Thomas the same woman who was in Four Weddings and a Funeral? The pictures I've seen are to far away to make out. As for Firth, from what I've read he is very serious about acting and not caught up in being famous. He may also have the luxury other actors don't since he never seems to be out of work. So maybe it's the best of both worlds steady income without giving up privacy or dealing with all the pressure. Can you image how differently you would have to live your life if famous?

I just saw "A Passionate Journey" on Bravo - it's about the making of The English Patient. Can't wait to see the movie. The Washington Post's movie critic (who seems to hate everything) gave it a rave review today. Mich, I think you are right. Firth has enough work to keep him busy; he's not too proud to take minor parts if he feels they are right for him; and I don't think he wants any of the limelight that comes with superstardom. I've found that a lot of English actors would rather keep their privacy and let their work speak for them. More power to them, I say.

I also think stardom interferes with the role actors are playing. For example whenever I watch an American movie with Mel Gibson, I always think there is Mel Gibson shooting the bad guy not the character shooting the bad guy.

I agreee that stardom can interfere with the characterization. One of our local TV channels' movie reviewers just reviewed "The English Patient" - and liked it very well indeed - said that he might just go and see it again.

I saw "The English Patient" today and came out of the movie feeling absolutely drained - it's very moving and emotional. Our Colin does not have a great or a very sympathetic part, but his fine eyes are still in evidence, especially after he becomes aware of what his wife is up to. Ralph Fiennes is good, but as someone mentioned in the chat room yesterday, I'd have liked to see CF and Juliet Binoche in the Fiennes and Scot-Thomas roles - I think it could have been an even better film. I also enjoyed Juli n Wadham's performance as Maddox; he was in Middlemarch which also included Jonathan Firth, Colin's brother. I'm definitely going to see EP again because my husband wants to see it and couldn't go with me today.

"Every night I cut out my heart, but in the morning it was full again" - count Almasy I finally saw the long-awaited The English Patient yesterday. I had a dream the night before that I was standing in a long line for the EP tickets, but when I reached the box office they were just all sold out. so with eagerness fueled by the still-vivid despair from the dream, I ecstatic the whole morning and protested every stop my husband wanted to make on the way to the theater. Well, the movie is definitely worth all the waiting and whatever my poor nerves have suffered for it. It is an remarkably emotional and absorbing. As Inko, I (and my husband too) came out feeling drained. Ralph Fiennes did a great job, very electrifying and intense. He got a great gaze too. If there will be a P&P3, he might be a fine alternative if Colin is too proud to do Darcy again. Kristin Scott Thomas is radiant and convincing, but I find Juliette Binoche's Hanna to be more memorizing and conveys greater subtlety. I guess Juliette is unforgetable sort of woman to start with. Inko, I too think she and Colin as Almasy and Ketherine will be heavenly. The part I don't agree with you is that I find Colin's Geoffery very sympathetic. But again, I may be biased :) I thought Colin's performance is as good as it can be, given the limited and fragmented scenes the role has. But even with those limited scenes, Colin manages to, at least partially, to ruin the movie for me. The script and the director went great length to set the audience's focus and sympathy on Almasy and Katherine (with reduced roles for the Hanna, Kip, which I think is a miss), but I often found myself tilted to Geoffery's side. One scene struck me particularly was when the drunken count made a spectacle of himself at dinner after knowing that Katherine was going to leave him (oops! hope it's not too much of a spoiler), then there was this close-up to Geoffery, he watched this with an almost-blank face, and yet in his eyes we can see all the despair, anger, loss and hurt his wife's betrayal brought him. My heart went out to him totally at that moment. Perhaps I pay too much attention to his eyes :) The cinematography is absolutely stunning and the music is huntingly beautiful. All in all, a rare feast. So far I haven't seen another movie that will stop The English Patient from picking up awards from left to right at Oscar time... Zimei

Yes Kirsten Scott-Thomas was in Four Weddings...Ahe was the friend who was ignored by Hugh Grant. As our local paper put it (to paraphrase) was Hugh blind or an idiot to be chasing after Andie McDowell when the steamy sensuality of Kirsten Scott Thomas was his for the taking?? I remember seeing the movie and thinking that this is a passionate woman.

Zimei - glad you got to see The English Patient and liked it. However, when I said I thought that Colin's part was not great or sympathetic, I didn't mean him, I meant the part itself. He was extremely sympathetic, and I agree it's hard to see what Katherine sees in Almasy when she has a husband like that. Colin shows so much hurt in his eyes that, you're right, my sympathy also was with him, and it does make his final scene in the desert (don't want to give anything more away) much more nderstandable than in the book. In the book the whole of Geoffrey's role was contained in about one page, so luckily they did expand it for the movie. I agree that Fiennes has a gaze, but to me it's a cold, hard gaze that never seems to change into a warmer one. Can't see him playing Darcy like Colin did. But then, I don't want anyone else to play it - there is only one definitive Darcy for me!

Inko, I haven't read the book yet (still on the library waiting list), however, I did heard Geoffrey Clifton is less sympathetic in the book then he's protrayed in movie. I don't know how much it is the script (that I can not judge until I read the book), but I'm sure Colin's performance has a lot to do with it. About Finnes, by no means I mean he'll ever be on a par with Colin in playing Darcy. Colin's Darcy ont only beyond perfect, he is unique - uniquely Colin. I sometime entertain the thoughts that if anohter P&P to be produced, who can be remotely accepatable be on the cast. It's like a millionaire sometimes thinks about if he has to start over with a different life what he can do to get by - well, weird analogy I know :) Before I saw EP, I coulnd't think of anyone alternative to Colin and Jennifer that is even acceptable. Finnes (see he has not elevated to firstname status here yet which means he has long way to go) gives us a intense yet sensual performance, that I haven't seen for quite a long time (except P&P2 of course). I know I said earlier I was often on Geoffery's side - sorry for being contraditory, the truth is I'be been dragged from on side to the other when I watched the movie. You see, EP can be twice draining to a P&P2 fan. I haven't come up with a acceptable Lizzy yet. Zimei

I did read the book, and Clifton is not sympathetic. He is a spy and thinks his wife does not know. But she does. In the book, I got the impression that it was planned for Katharine to have an affair with Almasy. In the book, Katharine is much more violent to Almasy. She always seem to be hitting him. They don't go into details as to why, and I am planning on reading it again. I read it about a year ago. But I was under the impression that Katharine wanted to leave an impression on the Count. JMO Laura I did see the movie and it is the best film I have ever seen on the big screen in my lifetime. l

I did read the book, and Clifton is not sympathetic. He is a spy and thinks his wife does not know. But she does. In the book, I got the impression that it was planned for Katharine to have an affair with Almasy. In the book, Katharine is much more violent to Almasy. She always seem to be hitting him. They don't go into details as to why, and I am planning on reading it again. I read it about a year ago. But I was under the impression that Katharine wanted to leave an impression on the Count. JMO Laura I did see the movie and it is the best film I have ever seen on the big screen in my lifetime. l

I am gld you liked the film- I havn't seen it yet, and probably will haveto wait for the video before I do.However,I managed to tape the 30-minute "the making of the English patient" aired on CBC Nov 25, in which Colin was visible and audible for all of three seconds, and he completely stole the scene.I am not one of those fashionable young women who are totally seduced by Colin's charm (I wasn't wild about "The Advocate") but I do think he is a very competant actor, who can make any part sympathetic. I am looking forward to his Stephen Whalby in "Master of the Moor"- if ever there is a pathetic, non-romantic character, its that one.

EP is a wonderful movie and is definitly Oscar bound. It was such a quite crowd of people in this theater, {while right nextdoor my daughter was seeing "101 Dalmation" such a different atomsphere} mostly woman in attendence{5 and 6 together}, dates,older couples, and a few strays and a woman was reading a book when we entered the theater. Not so strange indeed. Well to get to my point the audience was so enraptured, any sound or movement created a distraction. I could hear the "shushes" from other people round me. Which I found quite amusing. At the end of the movie people are usually standing to run out of the theater not so, everyone either drying tears, blowing their nose,just sitting watching the credits go by, and as I was crying and watching the screen before I knew it it was over. I look at my friend and in unison we said "Oh God" What a movie. We have definitly decided to see it again. Have not been to such a movie with all adults present in a long time.

EP was not my kind of movie--way too high on the suffering and despair scale. I carried away Dafoe's anguish rather than Katherine's ecstasy. CF in the role of Clifton was humiliating. I was uncomfortable and found myself wincing through all of his scenes, somehow feeling embarrassed for him. Phew!! I don't know how many more divergent roles I can accomodate. Is the resemblance between CF and Darcy purely incidental?

In response to Donna's experience, mine was exactly the same. I went to see this movie alone last week as all of my friends had already left campus. Anyway, I thought it was wonderful. It was the most moving movie I have ever seen. The whole audience stayed in the theater for at least five minutes after the movie ended just drying their tears. As far as Colin went, I thought he did a very good job with such a small part. When he was sitting in the the car watching his wife leave on their anniversary, I could see the anguish in his eyes. It's a must see.

I agree, I went to see the movie this Sunday, and was afraid to come out of the movie theater, because I was crying, until I saw that half the people in the audience were doing the same. I definetely think this is the best movie I've seen so far. About Colin's role: I was able to disconnect him from Darcy, and therefore my feelings about him were uncomplicated by my Darcy feelings. I felt very sorry for the character, and thought he played him very well, but for me, he was a minor character, who did not distract me form Almasy and Katherine (I can't believe I'm saying that :-) ) I liked the movie so much I am going to see it again this weekend with my roommate (I nearly bored a hole in her head about it already) Marsha

I read the book before seeing the film. My favorite character was Kip, who I thought was the only redeeming person in the book. The whole religious metaphor symbolism stuff with him was incredible in the book. I was glad they included some of the things he did in the movie. I thought it was extremely well done. And also easier to understand in spots. I feel they took the great things from the book, even if they had to adapt. I also had NO problem with the liberties. I thought Ralph was incredible. I am so ry but he does more for me than CF does. I was also embarrassed to watch his character. Maybe I had a hard time disassociating. I don't know if I could sit through it again, it was so draining, but so well done. The fact the I picked up on how "yellow" Katherine looked in the first scene blew me away later. That whole cave thing was incredible; what she says to him, the look on his face. Whoa. I agree: Can you say Oscar? And I thought Denzel would win for that war movie. Dina

Should I read the book or see the movie first?

I'm usually inclined to see movies first. I think with this one it provides a good summary of the book; then when you read the real thing you get more out of it.

I am also usually inclined to see the movie first, but did not, in this case, as I had already read the book. In some ways, having read the book helped to inform the movie. You cannot lose, either way.

I was watching Charlie Rose and on the show were a few movie critics and all said that "The English Patient" is the best movie of the year. They reviewed all the new releases from "Jerry Mcquire" {gave Tom Cruise best actor} to "Mars Attack" {stupid}. They were all very honest and tough on "The Shining.One said it was over-rated but you should see it. Of course this is their opinions. Very good program last night.

Well, just saw THE ENGLISH PATIENT and must confess I didn't like it a bit. I found the flashback structure annoying, and the whole affair to be very distanced and uninvolving. And I am a _major_ Ralph Fiennes fan too. Frankly, I almost wept with relief when the end credits rolled. Sorry all.

Hmm, such mixed reviews. Shall have to see it. After having just been disappointed by Fiennes in WUTHERING HEIGHTS (too cold for gypsy Heathcliff passion), I concur as said above that "I agree that Fiennes has a gaze, but to me it's a cold, hard gaze that never seems to change into a warmer one. Can't see him playing Darcy like Colin did." (I'd hoped that Fiennes in EP would seem a warmer lover, but perhaps again I'll be disappointed. Colin's big brown eyes are sooo full of feeling instead of pretty b ue glitter, they'd be tough to compete with.)

I would never be a movie critic because I always find something good about a movie. As for CF's role it looks like he was having fun singing his "No Bananas "song. Really looked like he had the most fun of all. I haven't seen Fiennes before SLists and now WH and EP. I would agree his acting style in each is the same. I wanted to see EP again,but it didn't stay around long enough. I took my daughter to see "Michael" John Travolta very cute, crazy angel. The movie is up-lifting and has a happy ending as we love "John" as a chubby cherb with his dimpled chin,body hair and has all the right moves.

Donna, I saw Michael also, and agree it was cute, bordering on corny. I liked the William Hurt character a lot. My favorite Travolta moment was the dancing scene!

Ralph Fiennes is a really good actor, as in QUIZ SHOW, but he always does tend to be somewhat cold. I found THE ENGLISH PATIENT, as well as his character, to both be cold and distancing.

I saw the English Patient when it first came out here in Milwaukee. And I guess I am more inclined to agree with Amy2. Maybe I wouldn't go so far as to say I didn't like it all. I thought it was an okay, maybe even good movie. But I think the critics have totally been over-rating it. I read the book first. (by the way, when it comes to books and movies - I'm rather snobbish - I think one should always read the book first, after all - it's the original creation. The only exception I make is with som of those lawyer-type thrillers. I wouldn't read the books, but sometimes find the movies entertaining.) In regards to EP, I have to so that the actors did not get me emotionally caught up in the characters. I was more emotional when reading the book. I did not have much sympathy for the Count Almasy or the character played by Kristin Scott Thomas. I'm not sure why her portrayal is being so acclaimed. I was most sympathetic to the nurse and the Kip character. I think those parts were acted much better. Just my dissenting opinion - Mary

Just returned from seeing EP. I loved it, thought it was one of the best films I've seen in years. Utterly absorbing despite its length, wonderfully paced, beautifully photographed, and thought provoking (of how many movies can you say that?). It was also such a joy to see a romantic tragedy--they seem to have stopped making them these days. At the same time, however, I disliked both Fiennes and Scott Thomas. Fiennes is an iceberg, that's all there is to it. He was brilliant in Schindler's List, but in Quiz Show, as here, he was nothing. I thought he was as expressive in his burnt-mask state as he was in the flashbacks. His big scene at the end, where he's crying his heart out, left me utterly cold. I only cried when Binoche burst into tears at the end, when she agrees to Almasy's request (don't want to give too much away). As for S-T, 've liked her previous performances but thought she was miscast here--no passion. So how can I reconcile these reactions? All I can think of is that the film, while centering on the Almasy/Katherine romance, doesn't depend on it. There certainly was a large number of supporting characters, which is unusual for a romance. I thought they all contributed something to the overall scenario--love & war & betrayals of all kinds. Anyway, I think it's a must-see whether or not you wind up liking it.

I must confess that I didn't read the book, which I normally do before seeing a filmed adaptation. But I must say that all of the characters, including Colin Firth's, left me utterly cold. Who were these people? Where did they come from? Why was Scott Thomas even attracted to the Ralph Fienne character? What was so lacking in her own marraige that she turned to him? I also thought that Binoche emerged as the only thing vaguely human in the film. The main irritant for me was the flashback structure - this inevitably distances and removes you from the main action, and it's really hard to get re-involved. When all was said and done, I wanted my three hours back.

] I wanted my three hours back. ___ "Megadittoes, Rush, oops, I mean Amy2,

They had Willem Dafoe on Jay Leno night before last. Some good clips. Gotta see this movie.

MSK - Where in Milwaukee are you? I live in Greenfield. Are you up for a Chicago meeting of the midwest contingent? I shall look in topic 1 to see if you have introduced yourself, and look for your answer about meeting in the Candace is a goddess topic.

Old Home Week: My parents live in Mequon, and I grew up in Shorewood. I'm now in Minneapolis.

Glad to see that all Amys exhibit the same good taste!

I just saw EP last night and I was very moved by it. It was beautifully filmed. I thoroughly enjoyed the way the flashbacks were woven throughout the film--have to disagree with you Amy2! I must admit that I originally wanted to see EP to catch glimpses of Colin, as I had read elsewhere that he had very few scenes. I can't say that I was too impressed with the Clifton character, but I will say that Colin brought depth into the character, especially considering Clifton has a *very* minor part in the book (or so I gather from Inko). Colin's "fine eyes" and superb acting ability go a long way. Caroline, you must see this film in the theater! The video version will no not do it justice.

I finally saw TEP last night as well, and will join the chorus of those who were deeply touched by it. As to why Katherine would have an affair with with the seemingly cold Count Almasy, I suppose that she was rather bored with dear, sweet Jeffery and was intrigued by a silent man with fine eyes, as many a woman before her have been, and they were both deeply in love before they realized it. It wasn't until after they broke up and the whole final chain of events (trying here to not ruin anything for tho e who have not seen then movie) that I became truly involved in the love story and really felt the anguish of the lovers. I will just say that my tears began when Almasy was carrying Katherine to the cave, and continued to flow from there! As to our dear Colin Firth,I was pleased with the character and the performance. Jeffery was a Bingley type, just a real nice guy who deeply loved his wife. They grew up together and were best friends, but he knew that she didn't love him. He devestation though, when he learned of her unfaithfulness was complete and achingly marked on his face. When he espied Katherine from the car and his face lit up with joy, but his expression changed oh so gradually as he realized where she was going...my heart ac ed for him! I believe that I came away from the movie most impressed with Hannah, the nurse. She was as scarred as her patient was, emotionally, and it was nice to see her begin to heal through her relationship with Kip. What a wonderful acting job by Juliet! And speaking of Kip...the scene where Hannah comes upon him, shirtless, whilst taking his hair down from out of his turban...well...my, my...(you know that I had to get some drooling in somewhere!) I think the only character I have left out of this disertation (I swear, I didn't intend for this to be so long when I started!) is Carravaggio. I like that he finally found some peace and realized that revenge has to stop somewhere. What was his line about not being able to hate as much when the sun comes up? (something like that) I liked that scene very much. So...a big "Thumb's up" from me! Go see this movie!

]So...a big "Thumb's up" from me! Go see this movie! Cheryl, Do you think this is in good taste? ;-) But seriously, I quite agreed with your review. I though Juliette Binoche was the best character, but that the cinematography was the best thing. It was a lovely movie to look at. I also felt that it stayed faithful to the soul and the shape of the book without adhering rigidly to the outline of the book.

Myretta, yes, the cinematography! What a lovely film to look at! The desert scenes, the rolling dunes, the vast expanses shot from the planes. I really liked the open title sequence...is it the desert? Then someone is painting...what is it? You only find what it is well into the movie and then it takes on further significance after the wind storm...I like that it was connected throughout the story, you get bits and pieces of it and it's significance here and there until at the end, it's a heart-wrench ng image. Very nice. (sorry if my "Thumb's Up" disappointed you-- I am not used to being serious for such a great stretch of time and felt the need to lighten up! ;-))

(sorry if my "Thumb's Up" disappointed you-- I am not used to being serious for such a great stretch of time and felt the need to lighten up! ;-)) Cheryl, Not at all disappointed in your "Thumb's Up". Just wondering how Carravagio would have felt about it... ;-P

Myretta: "Not at all disappointed in your "Thumb's Up". Just wondering how Carravagio would have felt about it... ;-P" Oh Myretta, you are bad! That had never occurred to me! LOL!

11:36 Cheryl, I could not believe my eyes. Your review absolutely reflects my impression of this film which I saw tonight. Sums it right up and Zoom-on-it and bulleyes!

If that message of yours is not a token of severe showing-off I am sure I nerver understood the meaning of that expression Johanne, dear!

Believe me to be as humble as I can, don't like to show-off for the sake of it but used it only as a mean to expressing my feelings. Latin temper? I only meant she's right on the button (bulls-eye) and she expressed my thoughts exactly. Second language harder sometimes.

Johanne, don't ever worry about your English. It is very good.

Sweet Amy, I do practice to become a true proficient...:)

I haven't seem EP for a couple of months now. And I am dying to see it again. I like the mixture of people who have seen and and either like it or didn't. But the graphics, how can I do that?

Johanne, I hope you understood that I was only teasing.I would like to manage all HTML stuff myself, and am slowly learning. Please, no offense intended. I should have used a smiley, n'est ce pas ? ;=) You know me better from pemberley now, don't you?

Lovely Ann(2), will be delighted so talk to you again and am happy to know someone else who does translation ;)

"The English Patient" has won the USC Scripter Award for best film adaptation.Other finalist for the award "Cold Comfort Farm" "Dead Man Walking" "Emma" and "Portrait of a Lady"

Congratulations to Anthony Minghella! Of the others, I've only seen Emma, but agree it was better than that one.:-)

I have not seen "Portrait of a Lady", Inko, and I am surprise it won over "Dead Man Walking".

The Americn TV Guide says that The English Patient should sweep at Oscars. Lets hope so.

Hey...how did that get there???

Finally got to see TEP last night. Many of you have already expressed my thoughts, so I'll try to be brief. I haven't seen Ralph Fiennes in anything else, but have to say I was singularly unimpressed by him and his portrayal. Talk about a cold fish, not to mention obsessive-compulsive and aspiring to ownership of the ladies he beds. Kristen Scott-Thomas did a good job, but what was with the slap? And why, if she wants to step out on Geoffrey does she keep telling Almasy how much she loves him (in the bathtub) and why is she so concerned about Geoffrey in the desert when she herself is injured? With that kind of caring, she forgets her own wedding anniversary? I thought CF, as always, did a great job, but he was miscast here. What woman in her right mind would want that skinny, effeminate RF when CF was avail- able? I was never convinced of anything other than strong lust between Almasy and Katherine. Hana and Kip, however, were another story. The best scene in the whole movie, IMO, was when Kip lit a path for Hana to follow and then took her to the church and showed her the pictures there. Now that is love and that's the kind of thing you do when you care about somebody. Juliette was by far the best character in the movie.

The best scene in the whole movie, IMO, was when Kip lit a path for Hana to follow and then took her to the church and showed her the pictures there. Oh, Susan, I just saw it and I agree. Those scenes were SOO BEAUTIFUL! Juliette was by far the best character in the movie. Ditto, again.

Finally saw this beautiful movie. Don't know that I am a big fan of the story but as a film, it is awesome and should merit a few Oscars to say the least. I thought Colin Firth did a wonderful job with his role. The more roles I see him play, however, the more I am reinforced in my appreciation for the wonderful way he portrayed Darcy. I like him better in EP than I did in Nostromo, but that may have more to do with the characters than his acting. I'd highly recommend seeing it to anyone who likes epi movies like "Lawrence of Arabia", '"Dr. Zhivago" and the like.

Mary, I just saw the movie on Friday night; beautiful. Have you read the book? Can you enlarge on ''Don't know that I am a big fan of the story..''? What part of the story (book or film) do you not like? I have not read the book, but it is now on my list. My sister and I were arguing about whether or not Clifton is the one who gave the incriminating phots to the Nazi's; was this enlarged in the book?

Mari, I read the book before I saw the movie. Clifton most certainly did not give anything to the Nazis; Clifton was a spy for the British, actually attached to the expedition by the British Government. Almasy was the one who gave maps (and maybe photos) to the Germans. In both book and movie he did that in exchange for help to rescue Katherine in the cave. In real life, Almasy was an actual spy for the Nazis, but he's not meant to be that real person in either the book or movie. Hope this set les your argument.

For me, the biggest difference between the book and the movie is the central, almost exclusive, focus on the Almasy and Katherine affair. In the book, the focus is more equally distributed between the characters-Caravaggio and Hannah even know each other. He and her father were friends in Toronto. Still, I think Michael Ondaajte said it best-the film is completely faithful to the book in spirit. I love the book and I love the movie(seen it three times). My sister and I went through more tissues during the scene where Almasy carries the injured K into the cave(I've always loved you-you idiot) than one can imagine. I know a lot of people have already commented on the film's beautiful cinematography, so I also have to voice my admiration for the score, both the original music and the 30s jazz selections. I don't think I've ever heard a better version of Where or When than the one K/A dance to in the Cairo club.(in that scene Almasy looks like he either wants to kiss her or slap her. RF is/was wonderful!) Too many favorite scenes to list, but I thought Minghella did a brilliant job with the scene where K/A are stranded in the desert and fall in love. Am I K in your book?-Plus, RF did more for the leather jacket since Monty Clift or Jimmy Dean. I also loved the scene where they part-I just want you to know, I'm not missing you yet. This has to be one of my all-time favorite lines in the book and the movie.

Moved from its own topic _____ Topic 32 of 181: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Tue, Nov 26, 1996 (10:18) | Zimei Sun (Zimei) The diligent FoF folks have just put on a The English Patient premire picture with Colin : from the L.A. premiere of TEP Enjoy ! Zimei 10 responses total. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 1 of 10: Amy Bellinger (Amy) * Tue, Nov 26, 1996 (10:30) * 6 lines Thanks for the pointer, Zim. What a rake he seems here. Sorry for the weird cropping. I just did not want to take the time to brush Kirsten out. Amy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 2 of 10: Amy Bellinger (Amy) * Tue, Nov 26, 1996 (10:31) * 2 lines Here try again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 3 of 10: Zimei Sun (Zimei) * Tue, Nov 26, 1996 (12:16) * 5 lines Amy, my name is not that long. You have repeatedly cut my name 40% shorter, capital offense ! impolitic too - for it is provoking me to retaliate, Am. Zimei ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 4 of 10: Amy Bellinger (Amy) * Tue, Nov 26, 1996 (12:34) * 5 lines Zi, It is a sign of endearment. A ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 5 of 10: Hilary Talbot (Hilary) * Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (14:30) * 1 lines Amy, Do you mean 'rake' as a derogatory term? Its usually derogatory, isn't it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 6 of 10: Amy Bellinger (Amy) * Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (14:39) * 4 lines Amy, Do you mean 'rake' as a derogatory term? Its usually derogatory, isn't it? ___________ Yes, I think he looks like his Circle of Friends character here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 7 of 10: Zimei Sun (Zimei) * Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (15:24) * 18 lines : It is a sign of endearment. My dear A, I'm greatly honored. I trust you have detected the same affection in my previous message ? Z :Amy, Do you mean 'rake' as a derogatory term? Its usually derogatory, isn't it? :___________ : :Yes, I think he looks like his Circle of Friends character here. I thought he is rather cute, if you can de-link this man from the heroic Darcy for a moment. BTW, did you all see the (blonde) Jennifer/Colin BAFTA pic over FoF? they are having some major remodeling going on there, everytime I wander there I find something new. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 8 of 10: Hilary Talbot (Hilary) * Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (17:05) * 3 lines :Yes, I think he looks like his Circle of Friends character here. That's a pity - its a ghastly character. But I don't see it in this pic: I like it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 9 of 10: Arnessa M. Garrett (Arnessa) * Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (18:54) * 11 lines Yeah, Colin definitely looks like trouble with a capital T in that pic. But then, I adore trouble. Thanks Amy, for the crop. Colin and Kristen looked a little too close in the original. Here's a quote to make you hate Kristen, from a recent newspaper interview. Oh, I can't find it right away. I paraphrase. She talks about the movie and then says, "I get Fiennes and Firth. Lucky girl, aren't I? But then, they get me." Ugh!!! Someone strangler her, please. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 32 of 181 [austen]: TEP L.A. premiere pic with CF Response 10 of 10: Laura McCarthy (LauraM) * Wed, Dec 4, 1996 (15:20) * 1 lines

Moved from its own topic: _____ Topic 40 of 181: No Bananas Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (13:56) | Saman Moeed (Saman) Invalid command: only Anyone seen/heard of this series? It stars Alison Steadman (Mrs. Bennet) and Stephanie Beacham, and begins screening here in NZ this Sunday. The promos already have me laughing - one of Alison Steadman's lines is: "At times like these we need God on our side...even if he doesn't exist" :) Why I'm asking for your opinions is that I'll have to organise one of my friends to tape it for me. Thanks to the kindness of TV programmers here, all three channels that I receive are showing programmes I want to watch or have to tape for other family members. It would be nice to know what you think of the series. Thanks, Saman 7 responses total. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 40 of 181 [austen]: No Bananas Response 1 of 7: Hilary Talbot (Hilary) * Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (14:23) * 1 lines Sorry, unknown to me, Saman. Like the line you quote though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 40 of 181 [austen]: No Bananas Response 2 of 7: Bernie (Bernie) * Thu, Dec 5, 1996 (13:34) * 1 lines It was a hoot! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 40 of 181 [austen]: No Bananas Response 3 of 7: Saman Moeed (Saman) * Thu, Dec 5, 1996 (17:23) * 1 lines Yeah - I'm loving it, especially Alison Steadman and Stephanie Beacham! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 40 of 181 [austen]: No Bananas Response 4 of 7: Donna (Donna) * Thu, Dec 5, 1996 (18:01) * 1 lines This is extremely vexing! I wanna "hoot" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 40 of 181 [austen]: No Bananas Response 5 of 7: Johanne (JohanneD) * Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (19:15) * 1 lines How come you get so many good programs from 3 channels when we get cable, satellite, etc. a 100 available channels and close to nothing to watch ? A distinct possibility is the fact of NorthAmerican TV. Always wondered how it is was in other part of the world, not you? Avid curious, pray tell me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 40 of 181 [austen]: No Bananas Response 6 of 7: Saman Moeed (Saman) * Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (02:44) * 5 lines In New Zealand I'm often told by North American friends that we get the worst of their TV - so your comment is rather humorous! I think we have to wait quite a while before we get such programs - P&P2 screened here in September 1996. But the channel which screened it is state-owned and is trying to present a BBC-ish front so they buy those programs - Friday night's standard features are Catherine Cookson adaptations. The other state owned station TV2 focuses primarily on US sitcoms but has competition from a Canadian-owned private station. I guess the short answer is that we may seem to get a lot of good programs but they are well-hidden amongst quite a bit of trash! I shouldn't be so mean really - they've just announced that we get to see Martin Chuzzlewit (sp?), Emma, the Tenant of Wildfell Hall (sp?) and more Catherine Cookson next year - I will have to work very hard at fighting my addiction for costume drama!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 40 of 181 [austen]: No Bananas Response 7 of 7: Amy Wolf (amy2) * Sat, Dec 28, 1996 (20:10) * 1 lines The irony is that Colin Firth sings that silly "No Bananas" song IN THE ENGLISH PATIENT!

12 Oscar Nominations for "The English Patient"!! Apparently it has more than any other movie. Seems like an interesting bunch of movies and nominations this year.

Inko: 12 Oscar Nominations for "The English Patient"!! Apparently it has more than any other movie. Seems like an interesting bunch of movies and nominations this year. Way cool! At a meeting I attended in january, we made a time capsule with resolutions and predictions for 1997--my prediction was that TEP would win the Oscar for Best Picture...it may come true after all...;-)

Yes, Cheryl, EP for best picture (IMHO) and Geoffrey Rush in "Shine" for best actor. Don't know about best actress - haven't seen many of the movies - but my vote for supporting actress is Juliette Binoche!;-)

I sincerely hope Ralph Fiennes wins. For the cave scene alone-there's nothing like seeing a grown man cry over a woman. Even Geoffrey Rush said that being nominated in the same category with him, given his performance in TEP, is a honor. I hope he wears the leather jacket from TEP to the Oscars-show up looking like Almasy. Does anyone know if the original score was also nominated?

:Does anyone know if the original score was also nominated? Yes, it was. Other nominations are best director, best screenplay (based on material previously produced or published), art direction, cinematography, sound, costume, and film editing.

I am debating whether to read the book or the screen play first; an recommedations from the group would be appreciated (especially if they clash)

Mari, I didn't know there was a screenplay available to read?? If so, please tell me what it's called and where I can get it. I've read the book (before seeing the movie) and loved the book just by itself; it's nearly like reading poetry. But the movie is very different and I'd love to read the script for that also.

Mari re #57 and my comment that I wasn't a big fan of the story. I loved everything about this movie. The kind of story is what I meant. Stories of the desert usually don't hold my interest or attention as a rule. TEP is so well done in every category; I think the production will deserve every Oscar it earns, and it should earn lots of them!

] recommedations from the group would be appreciated (especially if they clash) __ Really, Mari? I liek debate. I don't like dissonance.

Re #68: Inko, you can find the screenplay in the film section of the bookstore. At Barnes & Noble they arrange film books by the film's title, but just in case, the adaptation was done by Anthony Minghella.