HELP!

Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 293 of 304: Joan, too (jwinsor) * Mon, Feb 3, 1997 (20:30) * 1 lines The Spring server is dishing out multiple helpings of SERVER ERROR messages this evening. At about 5:25 PST it gave me 5 in a row but finally connected from the main menu - at which time it looked as if Austen had been struck with Old-is-new again - it li sted 167 topics as being new - but when I entered, it turned out to be a false alarm - THANK GOODNESS! But the server errors continue..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 294 of 304: Johanne (JohanneD) * Tue, Feb 4, 1997 (19:25) * 1 lines Same with me on Monday : multiple Server error, old is new on one topic but all was well after that ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 295 of 304: Myretta (mrobens) * Tue, Feb 4, 1997 (21:05) * 3 lines multiple Server error, Monday AM. Couldn't see anything immediately wrong with system. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 296 of 304: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Feb 6, 1997 (23:07) * 2 lines Does anyone know what happened to the next topic button? It seems to have been replaced by a hand written one????? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 297 of 304: The Mysterious H.C. (churchh) * Thu, Feb 6, 1997 (23:17) * 2 lines Gee, I wonder who's to blame? Picture: [AMY] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 298 of 304: Cheryl Sneed (Cheryl) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (00:21) * 1 lines Geez! what a tattle-tale! ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 299 of 304: Susan Christie (Susan) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (01:16) * 2 lines And also, sometimes that button is "Previous Topic" and sometimes "Next Topic." Can it be changed to always be Next Topic? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 300 of 304: Amy (Amy) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (08:08) * 6 lines Terry, I take it you don't like my experiment. I don't know if you have been following our ongoing button saga. It seems it is impossible to change buttons on a conference by conference basis. You would probably agree that the green, red and blue buttons look ghastly with our regency green. So what to do? I'll keep at it in hopes of finding something that blends better with both color schemes. Though, truthfully? I made the Middlemarch and droo l conferencs to match the buttons? And I am starting to like their looks. All things considered, though, it might be best to have a more neutral button, so that conferences do not have to be designed around them. No? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 301 of 304: Amy (Amy) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (08:09) * 6 lines ] And also, sometimes that button is "Previous Topic" and sometimes "Next Topic." Can it be changed to always be Next Topic? __ I am not sure what you mean, Susan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 302 of 304: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (08:42) * 1 lines Just make it look good. I'm looking at it on a monochrome notebook. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 303 of 304: Susan Christie (Susan) * Fri, Feb 7, 1997 (22:09) * 3 lines #301 Amy, sometimes my Next Topic button is at the bottom right of my message screen, but sometimes it is clear over at the bottom left. I haven't figured out any rhyme or reason to it -- maybe I'm doing something weird? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 9 of 170 [austen]: HELP! Response 304 of 304: Amy (Amy) * Sun, Feb 9, 1997 (21:31) * 8 lines Amy, sometimes my Next Topic button is at the bottom right of my message screen, but sometimes it is clear over at the bottom left. I haven't figured out any rhyme or reason to it -- maybe I'm doing something weird? __ That must be it, Susan. You must be doing something weird. No, really two explanations I can think of. Maybe you are resizing your browser window, like if you made it small, you would cause buttons to jump down to begin a new row. The other thing is the t hat the main conference page has different buttons from each topic page. One example: you can search for text in the whole conference on the front page, no search is available by topic.

The new buttons look good but they're kind of big.

Terry: The new buttons look good but they're kind of big. Terry, I like the bigger size. It makes it much harder to hit the wrong one by mistake (which I have been known to do!) ;-)

Terry, re the buttons. Could we give them a few days to see how they grow on you? Then, maybe switch back to the old ones for a day to compare. They struck me as a little large at first too. In fact Henry is helping me refine them, has already made them a little smaller, and is going to mess around with the type. The advantage to square buttons is that they are all the same size. When a new row of buttons must begin because the size of the browser window had been reduced, they all line up vertically like a keyboard, unlike the old buttons which varied in width. Another advantage to the shape is that we can have fun with it -- put graphical emoti ons on the button template, stuff like that. But, I don't want to push them down your throat. And I can take a little critisism, though not a lot. If you do hate them a lot, don't say so; make up some excuse.

Dear Amy!

Amy, thanks for making all these cool changes to our site! Everything looks great. I have no Server problems or otherwise to report. Thanks for being such a benevolent Topic Mistress and Queen of HTML!

Amy (and of course, Henry), I love the new look. Also, it goes quicker for me. Last week it took over a minute to go back to the main page.

Amy, please, please keep the new buttons!! I like them much better than the old ones; they're bigger, easier to hit with a wandering mouse, and much prettier with their new colours!! Thank you for all your hard work on this site!

Yes, do keep the new buttons it is easier on our "fine eyes".

Thanks, but... well, what were you supposed to say to such a pouter as I am?

I can't find Ramble even if I show all topics. Where did it go?

*sigh* Amy! ;-)

Ramble is back.

Amy, I came into this site with no other aim than to praise you to the skies for all you do to make it good for the rest of us. We appreciate you so much!! (And I really do love the new buttons -- I'm not just kissing up!)

Me too. I'm really for this new size and shape, kind to eyes as mentioned and it all looks so elegant, why even Lady Cath would find it hard to complain, like That is rather a small button you have got there!(Snorty look and vexed clicking of the mouse

Snorty look. I love that, Ann.

I saw it on a high res screen at the mall and really like it, I'm used to seeing it on my mono notebook. Nice job, Amy!

Oh good.

Amy As a newcomer, I gather that you are the host of this great site. Could you tell me how I can get into the drool spot? It keeps asking me for a password, but as i haven't registered I can't give it one. Help!! Kate

Sure, just go here: http://208.199.212.10/yapp-bin/restricted/index and add drool to your conference hotlist (bottom of page) If you really are not registered -- and I think you must be or you would not be able to post here, go to: http://208.199.212.10/yapp.html

Kate, use the same password you use to get here...don;t know why it asks for it again, but it does...

Oh, that's right, Cheryl, I think I set up the drool conference so you have to sign up even to read it. But I wasn't sure if the measure worked.

Thanks - worked like a charm

] , I think I set up the drool conference so you have to sign up even to read it. fwiw; it's never asked me for a password...

Anna: fwiw; it's never asked me for a password... If you've put the Drool Conference on your "hotlist" (as of course I have!) you can just hit the "next conference" button at the top and it will take you there without having to sign in again. Baby, I know how to get into the Drool Conference! ;-)

I never doubted it Cheryl ;-)

Carl, or somebody who had trouble getting into Spring, would you mind going over to the old board to see if you can identify whether their trouble getting in here may be similar to yours? I've said about all I can think to say to them. Some seem pretty new to computers and/or the net, so I've been trying to draw them out and spell out the exact trouble. But I feel so helpless, not quite understand what this bwowzo pwobwum actually is.

Amy, sorry about my hasty departure from PCR---AOL booted me off when I downloaded one of the sound files---said something about an illegal operation(?). Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. One more thing, frequently when I try to post I get the box which asks for my name and password but no matter how carefully I type it in, I get it 3 times and then get a message which says I am not authorized to access this document and then my message gets dumped (it has happened twice with this message!) Why?

Third time's the charm!;-)

Your browser has probably saved a misspelled user name or password from a while ago. The only solution is to keep saving correct ones until it "takes." That's a technical explanation.. ; )

Oh, something else to fault Aol for . . . . . . .;-)

From the Yapp conference. Does not look like any of our troubles have yet been fixed. Topic 49 of 49: Release Information Tue, Feb 18, 1997 (22:04) | Kaylene Thaler (kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us) The following is an update on added abilities, and bug fixes in the most recient versions of Yapp. *************** VERSION 3.0.14 ********************* Yapp now creates the partdir (participation directory) immediately. Previously, particpation directories could get trashed if they were being updated when the system crashed. Now particpation files are written atomically. From the WWW there was a malformed header error as a result of forgetting an item. This error has been fixed. There was an I/O bug on Solaris which has been fixed. The acl file now contains the proper information when a conference is created a file. If you enter a security number under the old system, the appropriate acl information is derived. The following have been added to Yapp: The commands `change cfjoin' and `display cfjoin'. Default .cflist, .cfrc, and .cfonce files are now allowed. The variables cancacl, canracl, canwacl, and canaacl have been added to allow checking for read/write/enter permissions to allow the web interface to be less ambiguous. ******************** VERSION 3.0.15 ********************* The bug in the acl file which allowed users to enter a responce when the acl file restriced who could respond has been fixed. Yapp was changed such that when you change a conference config file for a maillist conference, the maillist file is automatically updated. Mailing list conferences can now be linked to more than one mailing list. Line 6 of the conference config file can now contain comma separated email addresses. ********************* Future Release Information ********* In up and comming releases, the numbering system for Yapp will change. Any new functionality will have a 3.1.X number, and only bug fixes for current functions will follow the 3.0.X numbering scheme. If you want to follow the most recent developments follow the 3.1.X scheme. If you want stable code follow the 3.0.X Your current Yapp license will still be valid for both the 3.0.X and the 3.1.X schemes. numbering.

VERSION 3.0.15 The bug in the acl file which allowed users to enter a responce when the acl file restriced who could respond has been fixed. --------------------------------------- This may fix the austenarchive problem that I had to force. Have we been upgraded to this version? Should we test it?

Amy Not sure where to post this, and was sure you would spot it here. When I went to the opera tonight (Marraige of Figaro, Metropolitan) I nearly fell out of my seat when half way through the second act Cherubino starts singing Lizzy's Pemberly song (sigh) Is there a thread anywhere that talks about the music on P&P2 (ie, song names and sources etc) Nice to chat tonight. Will try to stop by on Saturday, but we are going to Empire Strikes Back (yes it's out this week) and we may be queuing (that's British/Australian for standing in line)

A new strain of the "everything old is new again" hit me Thursday. I have been using the "since/-1/new" method of viewing for a while, and read through all the new topic comments at 3 pm (est). At 8 pm some of these topics (all in the 190's, I believe) had everything old new again. Other topics displayed only the new messages.

Our system clock was off by about 20 hours! But I just set it for the correct time with the unix command date 970222233725.00 ... if anyone notes that the time is off please email me or Amy right away so we can reset it.

Right, Terry. Like I'd know how to do that. I'd have to ask "somebody."

In UNIX, when you type man date you get a manual on how to use the date command. The date command also sets the time. So to set the date *and* time at a shell prompt (similar to a dos prompt) you type something like this: bash$ date 970223075205 which will set the date to the year 97, the month 02 or Feb, the date the 23rd and the time the 07th hour and 52nd minute and 05th second. Does that help?

Okaay, so it wasn't just me - Thank You, Terry!

It wasn't just you, it was our whole system clock that was off. We're back on time now.

Does anybody else ever have a problem with the reponse area field disappearing? Sometimes I think it has to do with a stuffed cache; other times I'm not so sure.

Amy, I noticed this happening yesterday. I thought is was due to the atrocious response time on the system; the area just wasn't loading. Have you noticed it before?

] Have you noticed it before? ________ On occasion before yesterday, yes.

Hmmm. Does it happen randomly or is it related to something else, like response time?

Yes, I think it is related to response time.

Last couple of days it has been so slow here, I dread coming. I guess the system is getting too full again -- or something?

I have been thinking there was something wrong with my connection...so it is slow for everybody? Are the response numbers or postings or whatever being kept track of? Are they extremely highnumbered lately?

It was as slow as molasses for me yesterday, also. I thought it was on my end, but maybe it was here. I would think this should go faster since there is so much less now with the rest in archives. Of course, what would I know - I know zilch how this whole thing works!

Hi Inko, I'm delighted to bring your new chapters of Fitz to bed with me now. I'll read them and then maybe write a few line on my grownup Darcy bit...Wonder if Amy is doing her Mature Darcy ? This message is partly a time check...

No, Ann2, I haven't had the heart for anything like that lately.

Help! What's happening with Spring?? It was fine at 4:30 p.m. est, but by 5:00 p.m. est it's taking forever to load - it just took me 20 minutes to get into the main page!! I'm impatient - I hate waiting around like that!

The system keeps bouncing me out - I can't move from topic to topic ARGHHHH!

Kate - Or anyone else who may get in here. We are aware of the problem and are working on it. Sorry you are having such a hard time.

The amount of pictures must be a lot larger than it was earlier. Does this affect loading time of topics?

Graphics may slow down an individual topic, but the problems we were experiencing yesterday and the day before were system related.

I seem to be zooming through everything now, though! (Good thing as everything was "new")

I seem to be zooming through everything now, though! (Good thing as everything was "new")

I seem to be missing the fanfic topic. I have tried all--new--last week--forgotten and it does not appear on any of them. Is this happening to anyone else?

I seem to be missing the fanfic topic. I have tried all--new--last week--forgotten and it does not appear on any of them. Is this happening to anyone else? Fan Fiction through 2/24 was moved to the Austenarchive conference and we began having system problems before a new one was created. That has been remedied. Topic 201.

Thanks, Myretta.

We wouldn't want to leave you without a forum, Carolyn.

Myretta, you are too good.

AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!! Old is new strikes again! Circumstances: Several failed attempts to enter the Austen conf - some timed out, one resulting in a "server error" message, following which everything was new again.

Oh, no, Joan,too -- you appear to be in such pain. Is there nothing we can do to bring you relief? Shall we call your butler? A glass of wine, shall we get one?

I got hit with it a day or two ago. My dearest sympathies Joan. When I got hit, I had lots of unread messages and topics, so the theory that it only happens when everything is read doesn't apply.

Yesterday was my hit day. My cat sat on my lap for a long time while we went through them. Is there no cure? An "Everything new is old again" button? (Or a glass of wine, perhaps?)

I'm sorry Joan. I hope it wasn't because of the topic cleaning I have just been doing. But I wasn't doing any yesterday, or whenever Ann and Cheryl were stricken, so we can't point a definite finger at behinds-the-scenes work. Will we ever know?

Amy -- I was hit with a version of Oldiznu this afternoon. It happened right after I had switched to all in order to find a topic with no recent activity. When I switched back to "since/-1/new" I found that the topics which came up (containing current responses) had oldiznu-itis.

Amy/Joan I have had some trouble working out how to operate the sound-bits at austen test. I have left a message there... :-)

Joan, too, your message was a perfect indicator of your frustration. Having experienced OIN myself, I know that feeling well, but I was not nearly so good-natured about it. At the very least, you gave the rest of us a great laugh, which is always a very good thing! Sorry you had to be inconvenienced to produce it, though.

I have again been struck with old is new...the second time this week! I am most grievously to be pitied!

Is it my imagination, or has the Oldiznu bug been in hybernation until the last few days. Seems to me no one has complained about it for a month or so. Has the house cleaning at The Spring inadvertently let the cat back out of the bag? If so, what would have caused the mummy to arise out of its sarcophagus?

I am most grievously to be pitied! And you are, you are, Cheryl! For the sakes of all of you, I hope someone solves this 'crime' soon.

After hours of diddling, I think I have discovered a relatively efficient way to recover from All-Is-New. While at the main page of the Austen conference, with "all" selected, modify the location line in the browser to read /all/noresp. hit return/enter, and you will get another list of all conferences. Choose the first one. It will load with no responses shown. When it does, click the Next Topic button. Repeat till all topics have loaded in this way with no responses displayed! After this, hen you ask for "All new" nothing will be new. You can now read using -1 or last 7 days or whatever, and just the responses you have requested will be displayed. Topics with no recent activity will not appear. (Of course I only discovered this after I had already re-read - in some manner or other - all of the topics except for the last 6, but NEXT time, I shall be ready! I hope, though, that there will never again be any use for this technique - for anyone!)

Someone (?) requested that I post this here--sorry I can't recall who and sorry it's taken so long (my little one and I have been ill). Re: changing your computer's sounds First, this is for WIN95. Second, please don't hold me responsible if anything untoward occurs, I am a neophyte at this.;-) After you have downloaded wav files of your choice to your hard drive, click Start, go to settings, then control panel. Click on the 'sounds" icon. You will see a listing of every place that your computer has sounds or has the capability of producing sounds. (those with sounds will have a horn icon next to them). Choose one from the list (like Welcome) and double-click on it. A window will pop-up, showing which sound is saved for Welcome. Since you want to change this, click browse, and where it says look in' select your hard drive (C drive in my case). Find your downloaded files, select the one most appropriate to 'Welcome', preview it if necessary, then apply. A word of caution--my family is most annoyed with the longer files, but that's their problem, isn't it!;-) I hope this makes sense--will those of you who understand this better please jump in and straighten out any errors or confusing bits? Thanks!

And you are, you are, Cheryl! For the sakes of all of you, I hope someone solves this 'crime' soon. Susan, we have been fighting this battle since we came to the Spring and it doesn't look like we'll be able to fix this problem without help from the software developer. The best we can do is share ways to deal with it. Joan's solution is a good way to deal with it. Amy, is the "frozen" topic still there? Maybe we need to freeze more frequently. I haven't been struck since I started doing this on a regular basis.

Good fix, Joan. I had not even known about that "noresp" switch. Yes, Myretta. The dummy topic is still here. I am afraid I confused people at first, because, even after 3 months here, I still don't know all the Yapp lingo. It is topic 187, "Forget this topic." But see, I named it "Freeze this topic" at first and that wasn't right. Freeze is an admin function, forget a user thing.

#76 Meggin, I was the one who left you the message about downloading sounds. Thanks so much for responding -- Joan, too, also told me where to find lots to use. You're both great! Now if I can just get my husband as excited about it as I am (we share the computer)!

Meggin, I also hope you and your little one are all better now -- that nasty stuff is really going around.

Good fix, Joan. I had not even known about that "noresp" switch. And one that ought not to work! If you are displaying no responses, your markers ought not to change, but it appears that they do. Terry told us about the noresp option way back at the beginning when I asked how one could post a response in a topic that currently had no "new" postings in it without having to display the whole topic again just to get a text entry box.

I've been bumped on several responses. Thought I was getting paranoid and you just didn't like me or I was just too stupid to be in such brilliant company. I don't say that sarcastically, I really felt that way. NOW, Please tell me how to get to the rest of Cassandras sequel. I tried to go back to Feb 28 as directed and nothing happens. I gotta read it. It's great.

Claudia: NOW, Please tell me how to get to the rest of Cassandras sequel. I tried to go back to Feb 28 as directed and nothing happens. I gotta read it. It's great. Did you try the Derbyshire Writers Guild? It's at: http://www.spring.com/~anneh/derby/ and I hope that's right!

I've been bumped on several responses. Thought I was getting paranoid and you just didn't like me or I was just too stupid to be in such brilliant company. I don't say that sarcastically, I really felt that way. Boy, does it ever feel that way! When it (the bumping) occurs there seems to be no remedy for it and it can quickly reduce one to tears. It is the most frustrating, annoying, aggravating, maddening (don't pick just one of these--it is all of these and more) occurance I have ever experienced!:-(

Am I the only one missing the CF thread on drool? It disappeared yesterday for me, and I am going through agonies of withdrawal! Can anyone put me out of my misery? Please????

I just got bumped, too

Am I the only one missing the CF thread on drool? It disappeared yesterday for me, Nothing is gone - the software just marked it as already seen. You can see everything again by chosing "All" (instead of "new") at the entry page, or see the stuff posted within the last week by choosing that option. (And if you are very unlucky, the fates may decide to curse you with the "Old-is-new" syndrome, and ALL of your place markers will be moved back to the beginning - a major bummer! All of these things are unpleasant bugs in the YAPP software, and not anything to be taken personally.

Don't mean to get whiny about this, but he really isn't there! Not in "All," not in "Since Last Week," and not in "New." Whatever can it be?

Susan, I am doing some other maintenance right now, but as soon as I am finished I will check it out. The Firth topic in drool -- right?

Yes, Amy, and I found that if I go in with another name (same password), I can have him! So I must have killed that thread on my original bookmark -- is there any way to get it back? I think I was trying to copy a picture from there yesterday, and got a Transfer Interrupted! message -- would that do it?

I think I was trying to copy a picture from there yesterday, and got a Transfer Interrupted! message -- would that do it? No, that could just mark everything in the topic as already seen - but accidentally clicking the "forget" button would make it not appear in your list of topics at all unless you use the "remember" button to retrieve it.

] I think I was trying to copy a picture from there yesterday, and got a Transfer Interrupted! message -- would that do it? No, that could just mark everything in the topic as already seen - but accidentally clicking the "forget" button would make it not appear in your list of topics at all unless you use the "remember" button to retrieve it. __ As Cheryl would say, "Yeah, right. What she said."

Cheryl's quote is so valuable, for chat and other places, I thought it needed a picture.

Good thought - but maybe it should say "what s/he said"? Sometimes the guys say things worth agreeing with, too. ;-)

Good thought - but maybe it should say "what s/he said"? Sometimes the guys say things worth agreeing with, too. ;-)

(((stupid reload button should not repost!!!)))

As I said in chat, Joan, it happens so rarely that guys have anything worthwhile to say, it did not seem work the grammatical awkwardness.

not seem work the grammatical awkwardness. __ not seem worth

Susan - If you click the 'Forgotten' button on the top of your conference menu, you will see any topics you have inadvertently 'forgotten'. You can then open up the topic and you wil see a "Remember" button at the top. This will re-activate it for you.

The barton.spring.com machine was down but I went and fixed it last night. I got an email from beverly, a new user, who says that she couldn't post a new topic (Kevin Costner) in 'drool'. Amy, are topics only postable by members or hosts in 'drool'.

Thanks for all of the suggestions, but none of them seem to work. (I must have done something really bad!) When I press the "Forget" button, I get a Server Error message, so that can't help me. Anyway, I thank you all for the kind words -- I can still get to him by signing on under a different name, and I may have to be satisfied with that.

This Oldiznu thing has to be the single more infuriating software bug I've ever been so unfortunate to have my time stolen from. Is it my imagination or is is getting more frequent? Cheryl reported two occurances recently now I've been hit after having been stricken only 10 days ago. I hate this.

Amy -- Re: your gender-biased graphic in message 93:

Hey Amy, first the business card, now this, I'm touched, words fail...I'll let Joan fill in the rest, then I can use my handy, dandy new gif!

Henry, when you say something or show something in here it is almost always something worth taking a look at. But the picture is mostly for chat. And look, you have to admit that chat is another matter. Much as we all of us think you and Ian are darlings for putting up with our abuse, you must allow that we don't often trip over each other to be the first to say, "Oh yes! I agree with you, Henry!" And if we did, what fun would that be?

This is too much! I have now been stricken with Old Is New for the second time in three days!! First Sunday night, now NOW! How shall I bear all this frustration?

Oh my dear Anne! Please allow me to condole with you for I know exactly how you feel! You are indeed most grievously to be pitied and you have my deepest sympathies in your time of trial. (Try the all/since/-1 aid that many have recommended and it will pass more quickly.)

AARGH!!! oldiznu strikes!!! I was in the middle of reading posts on two seperate windows. I posted something and wanted to check a link, so I used one of my windows to do the search, found the link, added it to my post, posted, reopened my second window to here and YES everything old was new. If I use aa/since//-1 will I get yesterday's posts?

If I use aa/since//-1 will I get yesterday's posts? __ Too bad, Kate. Yes -- and today's. On the bright side, it is nice and lively and responsive here today. Terry, did Dave do something else last night?

Will I still have to open every topic on my "new" to make them go away?

Yes, I am afraid so. I usually do it over several days, gradually moving up to /since/-5 and so on. Earlier in this topic, Joan describes a faster system for her, using the "noresp" switch. The method did not seem to work for me, but you might give it a try. I am pretty sure it was in the last week, so go back 20 or 30 messages and you should see it. Try entering "80" in the redisplay window just under the response window.

Have just finished cleaning up after that disaster. Took about 2 hours. Blah.. But along the way I did read some of the old topics I'd never read before, so it wasn't a total waste of time. :-)

When trying changing topic directly in Location address I got Server Error! the usual precedent to Oldiznu Gee, did I get out of there fast. First reflex, find some other boodmark unrelated to the Spring. Only then did I came back again. And everything is fine... (relief) keep my fingers crossed

Another warning I've had is when I get all messages when I have not asked for all.

I have tried everything to get to the address given to continue reading updates in Derbyshire Writers and can't connect. Is it because I'm on AOL with a Microsoft Explorer or what? Would dearly love to read more on the updataes. Please help! Thanks.

That shouldn't matter, Claudia. Ann is out of commission right now so there have not been any very recent updates. And everything in there is also in the fan fic topics -- either here or in the AustenArchive conference.

HELP WANTED Help navigating the conference and simple computer tips for a very new newbie. Email Amy for details.

RE help wanted: ___ Position filled. Thanks to everybody to helps.

Oldiznu: third time in eight days. Is this a record?

Thanks, Amy.

Anne3: Oldiznu: third time in eight days. Is this a record? If so you have to share the title with me, although it a pleasure I could easily forgo, as you well know...my sympathies, dear.

Once again, my deepest sympathies to the afflicted. It is a pleasure that we could all well forego.

Would some kind soul please explain to me how you copy in more than one picture at a time? I always lose the first if I try for a second.

If I understand correctly, you can only copy one at a time.

I must practise to post even one pic...never done it...where does Pleasure lead, Joan I wonder? Dare I try it...

But I see people post more than one -- there must be a way!

Susan: please explain to me how you copy in more than one picture at a time? I think we are not sure exactly what you are asking. As Johanne says, you can only copy one (URL location) at a time - but if you mean display more than one at a time, you just have to tag the ones you want and put them all into the same message. Is this what you meant? (Of course each of these could be different if I were not too lazy to put different graphic names into the tags.) Ann2 where does Pleasure lead, Joan I wonder? Dare I try it... Donna has created a practice place over in the Austentest conference. People have been using it to try things out before displaying them over here.

I think maybe I've figured out what I mean -- I'll come back with a clearer question if not. Thanks for trying!

Okay, I dunno if this is the right place to ask, but-- tried to go over to chat, got in, was able to type "howdy," and then suddenly my keyboard wouldn't allow me to type any messages. Tried cutting and pasting, but to no avail. It's not my keyboard, 'cause I'm not having trouble posting here.....has anyone else had this happen? Is there a way around it? I do so hate to be unable to talk.....most vexing, indeed!

Help I have 2 topics forgotten (Ramble and DS oops) which I did not place there, and even though I hit the remember button they do not come up on the main menu. How do I get these topics back to the main menu?

Carolyn, try this: After you hit the remember button, change the URL address (location: http://, etc.) to read "all" instead of "forgotten". That should get you back to the remembered list of topics, hopefully with this one as well. (I think I sometime accidently hit the forget button when I mean to change topics or conferences?)

Tracey, you were successful in getting into Pemberley and posting a day or so ago, so at least we know your provider isn't the problem (like some we've heard of with AOL or Prodigy who can't get in at all). Do you know if your browser dumps its cache automatically? Did you get a message that the page was being downloaded? Tell more about what happened. --------------------------------------------------- What would anybody think about having a monthly orientation session in chat for new people. It would not be that much of a teaching burden if we had several people among whom to split up the topics -- chat, navigating Yapp, HTML, what else?

Amy -- sounds just the ticket.

Amy - I know that my browser creates a cache file on my hard drive which I have to manually empty every now and again.....I use Netscape, and know you can limit the size of the cache file - would that help? It was just really odd--I could watch everyone else post, my browser would clear the form for posting, and the cursor prompt would appear in the text box; however, when I typed, nothing appeared. The cursor would vanish, flicker, then reappear. The document was fully loaded, according to the browser. I tried typing in a text editor, then cutting and pasting, but nothing happened there either. Should I try again tomorrow?

Tracey, this does not sound like anything that has happened to me. Maybe Kaf, on whose server the drawing room is, can answer better. And somebody who uses Netscape can better answer your cache question. Sorry. We'll find somebody who knows.

Thanks, Amy! In the meantime, if I appear in chat and am silent, you'll know what's going on....quietude isn't really my natural state ;)

What would anybody think about having a monthly orientation session in chat for new people Amy, I'm available.

Amy: What would anybody think about having a monthly orientation session in chat for new people Count me in, I can do chat and bold and italics! ;-p

Associate Director of Bold and Italics

Amy] What would anybody think about having a monthly orientation session in chat for new people I'd be happy to join in too (at a basic level) on those occaisions I'm around ]somebody who uses Netscape can better answer your cache question. I use netscape with the default cache sizes and have never had any problem with cache in chat or anywhere else. The memory cache is 600kb and the disk cache 5000 kb.

Tracey's problem sounds a bit like Joan's. Her machine locks up on her when she is in chat too--she can't type or change windows or anything.

Tracey's problem sounds a bit like Joan's. Her machine locks up on her when she is in chat too--she can't type or change windows or anything. Actually, it doesn't. When it locks me up, I can not see what others have posted, or scroll in the frame; can not even get to another window to do something else. Cannot use keyboard or mouse for any purpose until it decides to release me. Even my menubar clock stops counting seconds (also minutes and probably hours, though it has not yet taken more than 14 minutes to recover.) I do not think my problem is Netscape's "fault" since it happens nowhere else other than at Worldrch. Tracey's problem sounds like some really odd fluke since everything else works other than typing into the text window.. Has it happened more than once, Tracey?

Re #134: Carolyn, I had this same problem and the only thing that worked for me was to go into View/Modify Preferences on the Main Menu of the Spring Conference, then change the one option to "Don't Skip Forgotten." Worked like a charm!

Thanks Kathleen and Susan, I know have missing topics back.

Joan - nope, only happened yesterday. I know it wasn't a cache problem.......I'll probably try again today and see what happens. Are you afflicted by strange lockups every time you try to chat, or only sometimes?

Omigosh, late last night(early this AM) I was completely frozen in chat. Never did that before. Was going extremely slowly just before, than BAM. Eventually just turned the whole bugger off and went to bed.

Are you afflicted by strange lockups every time you try to chat, or only sometimes? Not every time, but very, very, very many times - dating from around the time that Kaff said her ISP got a new hard drive.

I have two questions: first, back when I just started on here, I asked about how to copy parts of other people's messages into my own, and Amy ever-so-graciously answered with Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-Ins, Shft-Ins. She also said, "then you can start on the fancy stuff like the showy crossover legato mouse clicks." I'm ready, I'm ready!! More detailed instructions? Second, when you type a message and then get an error message when you try to submit it (you forgot to close a command or something), is there any way to correct the error and not lose the message? I've tried fixing what I'm told is wrong and then submitting, but it doesn't post the message and gives an aborted! message. If I just choose "Back," it takes me back to the response area, but my message has disappeared. This has happened to me twice recently, after I've typed a fairly lengthy post, and all I can say is AAARRRRGGGHHHH! Any help given will be greatly appreciated!

Susan, the only safe thing to do when you get an error box is to cut and paste the contents into another application, for example windows Notepad, then go back and get a normal response box, and cut and paste back from Notepad into that (only carefully correct the HTML error before you resubmit!)

HC, thanks, that's better than retyping -- I had hoped there was a "magic" solution, though!

I had hoped there was a "magic" solution, though!' That is the cruelest of the Yapp bugs almost worse than old-is-new, because it makes you do it till you get it right and then tosses it all into the trash after leading you to believe that it is being posted. :-( I'm ready, I'm ready!! More detailed instructions? Have you visited Ann's most excellent html tutorial? Lots of showy crossover legato mouse clicks to be had there. There's a link to it at the top of the main Austen page.

it makes you do it till you get it right and then tosses it all into the trash after leading you to believe that it is being posted. :-( LOL, Joan -- first real BL of the day, Joan!! God, I know that feeling! Thanks for the tips -- I have been to Ann's tutorial, but didn't realize these were there. I will look again!

Joan, I read this over and laughed again -- you are funny!

it makes you do it till you get it right and then tosses it all into the trash after leading you to believe that it is being posted. You may be assured that Lady Catherine would have a few choice words to say on the subject!

I made some slight modifications to the tutorial today. Nothing major though.

I have Oldiznu---yet again.

Deepest sympathy, Cheryl! But, I love your graphic! That says it all!!;-)

Cheryl, I think you hold the record!

You could add that to your card: Queen of Oldiznu ;-)

Cindy: You could add that to your card: Queen of Oldiznu ;-) It is a honour I could well forgo, as you well know! ;-)

Cheryl did you freeze that extra topic? It Seems to be working foe me, "knock on wood".

Donna: Cheryl did you freeze that extra topic? yep. And I freeze it again every time this happens, don't know why,it doesn't appear to work...

You know what, Cheryl? Maybe you and I are both doing it wrong. Let's both try: - Going to View/modify preferences off the Main Menu - And choosing the "Skip forgotten items and hidden responses" option instead of "Don't skip forgotten items or hidden responses" ... Trying to think of every possible combination

I was hit with Oldiznu yesterday, also. I cut the "slogging" time by using Joan's method of "since/-1" to only see one day's worth of messages on the currently active topics. Then, I only have to clear up the other topics as they get a new message. Today I'm back to "since/-1/new" and so far it's going great! I have noticed that I have never gotten Oldiznu on Drool or Middlemarch. (I have a couple of "forgotten" topics on the former, but none on the latter.)

Kathleen: I have noticed that I have never gotten Oldiznu on Drool Nor I. Amy, I'll try your suggestion. Myretta is convinced it has something to do with my browser and she's trying to get me to change (she's so pushy! ;-p) I don't know... But in the meantime I can say... "Free at last, free at last, thank God Amighty, I'm free at last!"

Kathleen: I have noticed that I have never gotten Oldiznu on Drool Nor I. Amy, I'll try your suggestion. Myretta is convinced it has something to do with my browser and she's trying to get me to change (she's so pushy! ;-p) I don't know... But in the meantime I can say... "Free at last, free at last, thank God Amighty, I'm free at last!"

Cheryl -- I am that glad to see that you are doubly happy!

Cheryl, I've been trying the forgotten is really forgotten tactic? But the trouble with doing this is we are affected by another stupid bug in this thing. The sticky forget button? I have trouble getting topics to go back to normal with the remember button. It just doesn't work, no matter how hard or deliberately I press it. So, an awkward fix we could try: a teeny link that says "n/f" (for new/forgotten) down by my name on the front page. I'd put it in by the "all" and "new" and so on, but I can't do that for just one conference. See what you think. It may not work either, but, as General whatshisname in War Games said (Barry Corbin, the guy who played Maurice Minnifield in Northern Exposure?), "I'd [blank on a blank blank] if I thought it would work."

Cheryl: Myretta is convinced it has something to do with my browser and she's trying to get me to change (she's so pushy! ;-p) I don't know... I'm not convinced, Cheryl. I'm grasping at straws. But I am pushy. Amy: The sticky forget button? I have trouble getting topics to go back to normal with the remember button. According to Dave Thaler. This has been fixed in a later version of Yapp.

Well, I've never tried to unforget a topic, so that can't be my problem. I'm starting to get philosophical about the whole thing, that is after I curse up a storm to my dear, patient sister. *samooch* ;-)

Well -- Old is new finally happened to me. Very frustrating indeed!

Oldiznu twice in two days. Is this to be borne?! [I guess it will have to be -- what the hey.]

Alright, forget that "getting philosophical" crap I said earlier, for I have Oldiznu yet again, it just happened. Twice in two days, same as Kathleen... I am most seriously displeased!

I don't blame you guys. We don't have time for that.

well, now something else wierd has happened. I was doing the old all/since/-1 trick. I lost my connection and when I came back on even the topics I had already cleared are new again! Is this going to be a permanant state for me? *sigh*

Cheryl . you are most greivously to be pitied

Maybe you should have had me light that candle for you. ;-)

Greetings from hot LA whence I am here via Telnet in BBS mode, and while I am most sincerely sorry for the afflicted, I think I am most fortunate to be missing the epidemic by not having access via browser. It has occurred to me that (grasping at straws) since there are hundreds of people on the userlist, yet only a tiny percentage appear to be cursed, perhaps it is our IDs that are whacked. Next time it happens to me and I have to read everything anyway, I shall try creating a new ID for myself nd see whether that makes any difference.

Do want a shell account Cheryl?

Terry: Do want a shell account Cheryl? LOL

Terry: Do want a shell account Cheryl? Myretta: LOL You know me too well Sister! ;-)

I'm new here. Can anyone tell me what happened to topic 201 Fan Fiction? Is it down for maintenance, I keep getting server error and it is not listed on the menu today.

I*t was archived, Tom. Look down at the bottom of the topic list (241, I think) for the new Fan Fic topic.

Tom at the Main menu click on view/modify preferences.I checked skip hidden or deleted topics. That way you will only get the new ones.

Just curious if anyone else has not been getting Austen-L the last few days. I haven't changed anything, but I think my last digest was Thursday.

Nope, mine has been as regular as always, Susan.

Austen-L : same here

Susan -- go to my page http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/austen-l.html and look at the "Problems and Troubleshooting" section.

OLDIZNU Third time for me. It always seems to happen when I have two windows open at once. But as I do that all the time, it can't be the trigger. Oh well....

Two windows, one for drool, one for here :)

GRRRRRR! I have got a mutant strain of Old-is-new! Last night I read everything that was new since the last time I read (which was Tuesday night); I quit with no new messages in any topic. Today, everything that was new yesterday is new again today. Not all 81 topics - just the 39 or so that had unread mesages when I logged on yesterday.

"So sorries" all around for the Oldiznu-afflicted. HC, I already went straight to your wonderful page and followed the directions there as soon as I found others weren't having problems receiving Austen-L. I am apparently not receiving some other e-mail, too, though, so I am going to have to dig deeper. I really hate it when everything doesn't just WORK!

Oldiznu today for the fourth time (2nd in 2 days) sigh...

Unbearable!! A record, Kate, am crossing my fingers

I've been knocking on everything wooden I can find, hoping I won't get oldiznu! I haven't been afflicted since January. I primarily use /new/-1 (not ALL or SINCE). What address do you poor afflicted dears use?

Really, Margaret? I've never tried that combination.

www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austen/171/new/-1 This is what seems to work for me. . . .