Lizzy and Charlotte compared and contrasted
Topic 210 · 7 responses · archived october 2000
~Amy
Tue, Mar 25, 1997 (15:35)
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Linda in GA said:
After watching P&P once again....I was suddenly struck by the contrast of Charlotte's decision to marry for security and to do so she chose the "stupidest man in England. Here was Lizzy who knew very well the consequences of not marrying money and she has an offer of marriage to one of the richest men in England....and well respected....and handsome.....and she refuses! What contrasting personalities these two women have and in being so different there were many other ways they were different.
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I might add a question: why were they such good friends?
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~lasalle
Tue, Mar 25, 1997 (17:52)
#1
They were friends at first because of the similarities in their social position. They grew up together, were neighbors, were about the
same age and at a time when social contacts were limited, by lack of good roads
and communication, were more or less thrown in the same social situations. Assemblies, balls and so forth. It should be noted that their financial situations were somewhat similar. Both were not wealthy and if not married well, faced the possiblity of a dependent spinsterhood. The Bennett entail didn't help Eliz. Bennett much. And Sir WIlliam Lucas could give Charlotte little.
Elizabeth Bennett simply erred in her understanding of Charlotte Lucas' character. Charlotte Lucas has a low opinion of (perhaps) men and views marriage simply as a source of financial security. Charlotte's statement of happiness in marriage considered as simply a matter of chance is treated as a joke at the dinner party given by at Lucas Lodge. As Eliz. finds out later, it is no joke. I am more in sympathy with Charlotte Lucas, and to a certain extent with Jane, than Eliz. Bennett, on the question of
her marriage to Mr Collins.
It's not stated directly, but the thought of the reversionaty interest in
Longbourne going to the Collins's really made Elizabeth's relationship for
Charlotte even more strained. Perhaps even more than Mr COllin's stupidity.
Charlotte I suspect can deal with Mr Collins. But Eliz. is powerless against
the entail.
~churchh
Wed, Mar 26, 1997 (19:45)
#2
Carl -- Charlotte was actually about six years older than Lizzy...
~Anat
Mon, Mar 31, 1997 (05:43)
#3
Charlote declares that she is not a romantic and never was. She doesn't expect romance out of marriage. In contrast, Lizzy says it would take a great love to persuade her into matrimony. Why are they friends? besides the similarites that Lassale (Carl Goss?) mentioned, there is also attraction of opposites or complementary characters, looking for things you miss in your friends. I've had several relationships like that with women friends. I think it works less for couples.
~Anat
Mon, Mar 31, 1997 (05:44)
#4
Charlote declares that she is not a romantic and never was. She doesn't expect romance out of marriage. In contrast, Lizzy says it would take a great love to persuade her into matrimony. Why are they friends? besides the similarites that Lassale (Carl Goss?) mentioned, there is also attraction of opposites or complementary characters, looking for things you miss in your friends. I've had several relationships like that with women friends. I think it works less for couples.
~Karen
Wed, Apr 2, 1997 (00:29)
#5
I think Elizabeth and Charlotte are friends for the reasons that Carl mentioned above (same social position, close location, etc). However Elizabeth believed her friend was like minded with her in that one should at least respect her marriage partner. I think we have all had friends whom we assumed we shared common values with a later in the relationship found this was not true. In some situations this can be over looked. However, if you were very close, this type of discovery can cause a breach in th
relationship (as it did here).
I don't think Elizabeth is harsh in her assesment and reaction to Charlotte. Jane of course is being too forgiving (to me). Though Charlotte claims not to be romantic though she seems to notice attraction in everyone else. I think the issue is respect. Charlotte does not respect her spouse and that is a huge problem. And even worse, she knew she would not respect him before she married him. And her avoidance of him after they are married makes me scream why did you bother (yea though she claims she
s content).
~Susan
Wed, Apr 2, 1997 (22:01)
#6
Karen, it is somewhat ironic when Charlotte tells Lizzy that there are days when she and Mr. Collins rarely see each other, and she encourages him to spend time in the garden. It does make one ask, "then why choose to spend your life with him?!"
~sld
Wed, Apr 2, 1997 (22:23)
#7
[ I think the issue is respect. ]
I think that Elizabeth lost a little respect for Charlotte, and that made their relationship a little strained. As time passed, Elizabeth kinda got over it, but I do not think their relationship will be as it was before Charlotte accepted Collins.