HELP!

Those who had trouble with your password authentication, please describe how you finally got it to work so we can advise others.

Amy, I'm not sure what exactly I did. When the PW failed I backed out and chose a new user name and then chose the same PW and it worked !?! Katherine

Amy, I went into to TV instead of scrolling down to find austin. Actually Cheryl was nice enough to expalin it to while we were on the chat line. Happy to be back talking P&P Mich

The same thing happened to me, it kept booting me out then finally strangely it worked. I am so glad we can use this. Laura

Amy or Terry, will hitting the "new" button under ranges display for me the new messages for today or the new ones since I was here last? If the latter: cool!

Amy, I just loged in via your former board and the address you put up. It must have been a problem with the system because it works fine now.

For somw reason, when I use Amy's link I can not enter this site. I think the reason is that Amy lists the address as http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all When I come, I type in http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austen/all That seems to work for me. Hope that helps.

For some reason, when I use Amy's link I can not enter this site. I think the reason is that Amy lists the address as http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all When I come, I type in http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austen/all That seems to work for me. Hope that helps.

Sorry that went through twice, I didn't mean to hit the button again. By the way it's really cool how this program automatically turned those adresses into links!

No problems here (Fri evening, EST) w/ the link or the password. Also, my response box automatically wraps my text. I have Netscape 3.0 as my browser, if that matters.

Two protocol questions:- When I finish a session, should I be logging off somewhere? I haven't seen a log-off screen, so I've just been closing my browser - I hope I'm not leaving any loose chains lying around... If I log-on using different computers (one at home, the other at work - different ISPs), will the 'new' button work, ie, is the info at to which messages I've already read stored on my pc or by spring? Thanks for any help, Anna

Anna, I don't know a lot of answers yet. I don't log off. As for different computers, I think and new messages, I am pretty sure it is your user name that determines what messages you see, not your browser's memory of where you have been. So, yes, you can log on with the same user name on a different computer and your history should remain intact.

Thanks Amy - if things work out other wise I'll let you know. Anna

Over in topic 2 where people have been posting introductions there seem to be some problems with repeated postings. I had a particularly confusing experience in that topic, where I first entered my text and pushed the submit button (only once) and only one posting resulted, BUT it only had the first line of my text in it. Thinking that maybe I had to come in again in order to see my own post properly, I left the topic and then returned. Still only one line. So I began anew. This time the entire text ppeared after submission, so I left the topic having posted one one-line message and one complete one. When I returned the next day, however, I found first my complete posting, followed by TWO completely empty postings - and the one-liner was nowhere to be seen. How this came to pass I know not! But it does call to mind a useful question. Do we have the ability to remove postings that we may inadvertently have messed up here?

Take a look at the first several postings (not mine!) in topic 5. It appears that in almost every case if a paragraph gets to be longer than 6 lines, the 5th or 6th line is broken in the middle - occasionally even in the middle of a word. Why does this happen? Or more usefully, how is it to be prevented?

My problem is that I've had to get out of the habit of using the 'back' button, because every time I do my screen goes blank except for a "DATA MISSING" message, and then I have to reload. The first time I logged in it kicked me out, and when I went back it told me that the name I had chosed was already in use. I then started again, and it simply accepted both my name and the password, even though I thought it hadn't actually received them. I only hope that it doesn't put two identical messages down ev ry time I post!

We have a delete command but you have to have telnet access to use it right now. The *best* place to ask technical questions about the software's functioning is in the yapp conference which is emailed to the folks that created the software. How many folks here use telnet or want telnet accounts so they can have more options?

And regarding the questions about the 'new' button. It is based on your username and remembers what you've read. This is so you don't have to keep re-reading the same stuff.

Yes, apparently you should make a start on a new line (i.e. make line break or paragraph break) every so often in the posting text entry box, or it will break the paragraph after a certain number of characters....

] Terry: ] How many folks here use telnet or want telnet accounts so they can have more options?" This assumes an account here to Telnet into, does it not? One can not just Telnet into a specific conference? I do use telnet, but for use here in this conference, I would be unlikely to do so except to remove (or repair?) a messed-up posting. ] HC: ] Yes, apparently you should make a start on a new line (i.e. make line break or paragraph break) every so often in the posting text entry box, or it will break the paragraph after a certain number of characters.... Ugh! I hate having stuff like that "dictated" or imposed upon me - prefer to have control over my own text! (BTW, it also bugs me that html will not permit the "2 spaces after a period" convention. It really does make reading, especially on a screen, a lot easier on the eyes.) Another strange thing just happened. This is my second attempt to submit this - the first time, I made a tag error, and was quite gratified to find that instead of posting it messed up, it gave me an error message and what looked like a chance to repair the mistake before posting - so I did, and submitted again, but it did not post. Joan, too

Joan, that would be something to mention in the yapp conference, as well the comments on the text breaking. The forced text breaks can be changed to allow no text breaking.

The forced text breaks can be changed to allow no text breaking. By the author of the post? How is this accomplished?

Oh, is there a way to get into a topic that is not shown in one's list of topics because there was nothing new in it without having to go back into "all" mode? For example, if there had not been a new post in here, this topic would not have

A couple of other thoughts - hitting "Next Topic" when there is no next topic is confusing, because nothing at all happens and one is not sure whether something is broken - would be good if it could display a message saying "already at last topic" or somesuch when one is already at the last topic. Can I change my userID? Now that I see how the "full name" and user ID are dispslayed here, I'd like to use my "pseudonym" instead - if punctuation is allowed in a User ID. Joan, too

Joan suggested: ] A couple of other thoughts - hitting "Next Topic" when there is no next topic is confusing, because nothing at all happens and one is not sure whether something is broken - would be good if it could display a message saying "already at last topic" or somesuch when one is already at the last topic. _______________________ Either that or have it cycle back round to the first topic to catch new messages that might have been posted while one has been reading. Amy

A good thought! - but eventually such a cycle will still end up at a point where there will be nothing new to display, and THEN that message indicating that this is the end would still be helpful.

Earlier this evening, I went out to the main menu and tried changing my "full name" - and it appeared to "take" in that screen, and even in yapp, but here, the change is being ignored. Very puzzling!

] The *best* place to ask technical questions about the software's functioning is in the yapp conference which is emailed to the folks that created the software. ________________ Terry, we kind of need a place to kvetch among ourselves and help each other also. Therefore this topic. Would you continue to point out when especially think a point should be reported to the Yapp conference? It will give Ian some guidance. He has volunteered to be our emissary to the Yapp conference, summarizing the stuff here so we don't flood the developer's conference with our tiresomewhiney remarks about why we prefer branching and all that sort of thing. By the way, I am missing branching too. Like Joan said here earlier, the chief drawback to this format is not having an easy way to respond to a specific post -- especially a specific post that is not necessarily the one immediately previous. And even when responding to the one immediately previous, there is a problem when you have the new function turned on. Example: I guess the way to see what you are responding to is to use the "Redisplay starting from response number | | " function. But then you have to guess how far back to look. The solution is to quote, maybe. You mentioned how "well" the format worked at the Well. Quite true, that place cooked. Did they have auto quoting there? How did --- or do --- they manage to know to what something refers? I hope you do not take our critiquing as critisism. We are seeking the best format for us. God knows, as your guests we do not want to offend. But we do know what we like and I hope our comments may prove helpful to the developer rather than offensive. Amy

Your comments are very useful and whatever suggestions do filter over to the yapp conference by way of an emmissary will be taken seriously. You call also replace the zero in the redisplay from box with a number range, for example 6-20 which will show you on these responses. Right now, your response is 28 so I could specify the range 26-28 to see the previous threee responses. This will draw up on the screen much faster than going all the way back to the first response.

Amy, on your board I could slowly teach myself html, because in the quoted material I could see how they did it. Is there any way to see how the tricks are done on the spring board? I'm still limited to italics and bold, whilst others are playing with the butterflies. I'd like to play to, hopefully A

Anna, we will put some stuff in the FAQ. For now let's say you want to do the Groucho image. I don't know all the HTML tags either, like the ones that let you show code, especially within Perl, so imagine my square brackets [ ] are really the same pointy brackets you use in your tags for bold and italic. I don't even know how this will show up here. If if doesn't I will do a graphic for you later. type: [IMG SRC="http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/data/groucho.gif"] to get:

Bewdy - thanks Amy

Amy, can I have your opinion on a point of etiquette? As you may have seen I subcultured the P&P1 topic into a new one, in part because I wanted to modify the original question and in part to get people's attention. Should I now freeze the original P&P1 topic (I think I can do that as I started it, although I haven't yet tried) to prevent topic overgrowth, or should I leave it to die a natural death ?

Anna, re creation and freezing I don't know everything yet about how to make the system work best for us, but in general I say yes, please do create a new topic when a thread goes off track. In this case, when you wanted to update and draw attention to a timely topic, I'd think it would be a good idea to freeze the old one which talks abotu old news. It remains preserved, should you ever become PM of Australia and writers want to write your bio. If the old topic is timeless and can provide entertainment for anyone, maybe not freeze it. Like I said, I don't know much more than you do at this point, but your instinct feels right to me.

And you can always 'thaw' it out later.

This %$#@%$@ software makes it VERY easy to lose a half-composed message, because it seems to be issuing some kind of special "no-cache" directives to the browsers. Whenever you get that "Bad HTML, missing quote in tag" box, one's first instinct is always to press the back-button and re-edit and re-submit the original message -- but if one does this, the preceding page is re-loaded directly from Spring, and the form entries are lost!!! So basically, one has to start over from scratch. Even if one suppresses this natural instinctive reaction, there can still be problems. Over in the "enigmatic messages" thread, I was working on a message when I decided to resize my browser window -- and as a result, the page was re-loaded from Spring, and my half-completed message was lost! Furthermore, this "no-cache thing makes the board slower to use. I have to say that it's actually better to use this site with Lynx than Netscape, since Lynx keeps a cache -- I can reload only when I choose to reload. Furthermore, my message contained a long [IMG] tag, and when this was spread over several lines, the software generated [BR] tags _inseide_ the image tag!! -- [IMG SRC="URL" ALT="This [BR]is an explanatory [BR]message"] (Square brackets for angle brackets here.) These two problems account for my first two attempts to post the http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~churchyh/passione.gif image to the "enigmatic messages" thread turning out to be complete botches -- could you delete those two?

HC, I have had problems with exactly the same thing, but could not describe it half so specifically as you have done. HELP!!! Why does that buffer have to clear so soon. This is why I have decided never to type more than a couple of lines directly into this unfriendly text window. I now type into a text editor, and paste it in here, so that if it gets mangled, I don't have to start all over again. but this is hardly ideal!

Hey, Ian, when are you gonna start collecting and summarizing these for the Yapp conference? Where have you been anyway, buddy? Anybody want to volunteer til Ian gets caught up on his online bill? Ian you gotta get an unlimited account, loyal though you are to Hunter, or make them offer it for you. Entrance to this addiction should carry a warning label: Pay for you time? Don't even start. I see addresses from commercial services and I almost cry. Though now, I understand AOL has an unlimited time deal. Anyway. I know, H.The same thing has happened to me. I will delete the flubs as soon as my file permissions are set to edit the topic files as well as the headers. You want a new honorary virtual delete key? The cache thing, Terry? What is the reason? Do any benefits outweigh the negatives? RE the wrap thing: H said, Furthermore, my message contained a long [IMG] tag, and when this was spread over several lines, the software generated [BR] tags _inseide_ the image tag!! (And he musta been pretty steamed, too, because I have never seen him use more than one exclamation point unless he was parodying someone or something.) This might be due to specifying "wrap=virtual" in the textarea tag instead of "wrap=soft." Soft does not put in line breaks. But I could be just babbling.

3 things: 1. Anybody else notice that at the main menu: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/main there are nearly always fewer new messages indicated that there actually are? 2. Anyone else having trouble with their forget and remember buttons? I could swear "forget" gets inadvertently turned on in certain topics. And when I hit "remember," it does not seem to stick. 3. Terry I know you like Dave to see our comments, but I really do like having a place to sound off on our own, because doesn't the Yapp conference go to all Dave's clients? Dave can come over here -- and I see he has already done so -- if if wants to hear the full dose. Meanwhile -- Ian -- you gonna do that summary to Yapp job or not? (You know your mommy loves you and does not wish to scold -- but, are you going to do it?) Amy

I think you're bringing some much needed energy to the yapp conference. How can Dave make yapp better without some real feedback? And having the "full dose" here is great! Dave is *very good* at incorporating requests into new versions of his software. Be careful, you'll almost surely get what you ask for. And you get more than three wishes.

Just tried to use the bold and italic HTML tags for the same sentence and got an error message about overlapping HTML commands. Does this software not allow one to do both simultaneously? Sometimes the only way I can express myself is to be both bold and italicized !

It worked that time Cheryl.

Cheryl, it probably was complaining about stuff like [B][I]wow![/B][/I]. That 's BAD HTML, because "[B][I]" means that "[I]...[/I]" is going to be included inside "[B]...[/B]", but you closed off "B" before you closed off "I". You need to "pop off" nested elements in the opposite order that you "pushed them on", to use the computer science "stack" metaphor..

Ok, HC. let's give it a try.

Very cool! Thanks, H.C.!

I am just trying to be bold now as I have not Htmlled for several weeks now !

Ann2, we are so glad to see you again.

Moved from topic 52 Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (09:52) | Ann (Ann) Am I the only one who can't read topic #32? Every time I try to load it Netscape completely crashes. 2 new of 2 responses total. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 52 of 52 [austen]: Topic 32 crashes my system! Response 1 of 2: Amy Bellinger (Amy) * Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (10:25) * 5 lines Ann, I am moving this to the HELP! topic, freezing this topic for a day or so, then it will be gone. Did your trouble happen after you tried to link to FOF then come back? If so it may be part of the no-cache thing. Amy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 52 of 52 [austen]: Topic 32 crashes my system! Response 2 of 2: Amy Bellinger (Amy) * Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (10:26) * 1 lines Guess I won't freeze it, got a server error. Now I might as well repost both this messages to help!

It seems to be ok.

I also crashed on topic #32--yapp said they thought it was a netscape error. I've given up since I can never get a human being on the line when I call netscape. What is the content of topic 32 other than the 2 TEP premiere photos that ate retrievable through the FOF website?

When I tried to access topic #11 this afternoon, I got a server error, #11 has disappeared from my topic index page ever since. If I access file 11 matually, I get a topic page with only #11. Is it just me ? Zimei

How are you accessing it manually? The only way that I know of is to change from "new' mode to "all", and then you should be able to get all of it.

Joan too, I just change the filename on the location line. You might have already noticed that the filename corresponds to topic number. There are two directory trees browse for topic listings and read for reading the messages under specific topics. For example: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austen/9 will get you this page, while http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/9 will get you a topic page with only #9. (that's what happened with the one topic page I mentioned in my previous message.) I sometimes access several inconsective topics directly this way instead of going back to the browsing page everytime. Zimei

speaking of server errors; every time (x2) I try to forget a topic I get a server error message. When I went back to the topic I found that it had in fact been forgotten, despite the server's anxieties. Terry, I saw a comment from Amy that she couldn't send you email. ~ 6 days ago I sent you a thank-you for you welcome message; it was returned undeliverable over the week-end. All my other mail has been going through OK. Were you aware that you may have a more general problem?

Terry, did you receive either the message I sent you last night (Friday) from my own ISP and/or the one I sent you tonight (Sat.) from here?

Amy, have you deleted some topics? If not, my 'account' is getting flakey (it's never been quite right since I resigned and rejoined to change my pseudonym); I seem to hve lost a few topics; 25,48,50; they're not there in "all" and I haven't forgotten them. Just wondering...

Let me check, Anna, I know for sure 50 is killed.

] I seem to hve lost a few topics; 25,48,50; ------------- No, you are not missing anything, Anna. Those are all dead topics. Dupes or mistakes. I won't hide anything that has any sort of content.

Anna, "speaking of server errors; every time (x2) I try to forget a topic I get a server error message. When I went back to the topic I found that it had in fact been forgotten, despite the server's anxieties." This is definitely something to report to Dave in the yapp conference! Terry, I saw a comment from Amy that she couldn't send you email. ~ 6 days ago I sent you a thank-you for you welcome message; it was returned undeliverable over the week-end. All my other mail has been going through OK. Were you aware that you may have a more general problem? I'm getting all my mail, it's just that I had copies forwarded to access.spring.com and this machine died a few days ago. So you're getting bounced messages that mail can't get to this machine. Next time you report a mail problem, please reproduce the header if you can with the details of the bounced message. From Amy: Terry, did you receive either the message I sent you last night (Friday) from my own ISP and/or the one I sent you tonight (Sat.) from here? I got them! Amy, I got two connect requests from you this morning on NetMeeting, I tried to answer you, believe me! Keep trying, this technology is worth mastering. The voice talk part reminds me of ham radio though, somethimes the connection is great and sometimes it's lousy.

] Amy, I got two connect requests from you this morning on NetMeeting, I tried to answer you, believe me! ____________ I know. I have trouble on my end. A bunch of relevant Windows files are missing suddenly. I have reinstalled Net Meeting and hope that does it. If not, guess I will have to blow out Windows. Haven't had to do that yet with Win95 Amy

I agree with HC's comments (#36) above. I don't like the no-cache system here. I would like to be able to load the threads, log off my computer, and then read them off line to save on my quota (50 hours/month). I vote for a cache system.

] I vote for a cache system. ____________ Ann, I am not sure this is one of the configurable things. I have not learned enough about it yet, but I think the directive is part and parcel of the functionality in terms of keeping track of what you have read and what you have not read.

] Terry: From Amy: Terry, did you receive either the message I sent you last night (Friday) from my own ISP and/or the one I sent you tonight (Sat.) from here? I got them! Terry that was not from Amy - it was from me. Did you get either of mine? they have not bounced back to me. Joan, too

I believe I got them. I'll recheck my mail. Did you send them to terry@www.spring.com (which I check rarely) or to terry@spring.com (which I check nearly every 5 minutes)?

] Terry"\; Did you send them to terry@www.spring.com (which I check rarely) or to terry@spring.com (which I check nearly every 5 minutes)? I sent 2 of them to the address that is in your header here - which is: "mailto:terry@www.spring.com", and I sent a third to "terry@spring.com" - I see that you have now seen the first 2, but not the one sent to terry@spring.com, which was far more detailed. Did that one not arrive?

I got it, It's just that I've been out of pocket all day. It's been a super day. I got hired! And it's my birthday to boot. It's been a great day! Oh, and I got the Texatel contract!

Haaaaapy Birrrrrrrthdaaaaaaaay toooooo youuuuuuuu! And congratulations, too. (BTW, what do you mean by out of pocket? I always took it to mean short of cash.)

That too! No, what "out of pocket" means is "offline" or not available. Which means I'm mobiling around Austin in my van and talking on the ham radio. If you want to listen in, connect to me on NetMeeting and you can hear me talking and even talk to me on the radio in my van. It's my Internet to mobile connection. So I'm never totally "out of pocket" Maybe broke, but not out of pocket!

Hi Terry Congratulations and Happy Birthday have a good one!

"connect to me on NetMeeting " Isn't that the one that only Windoze 95 folks can use? Many of us are "technologically challenged" in that regard.

Here's the "no-cache" error message that you often get when you relaod (someitmes inadvertently) or try to "go back" -- Is this generated by the browser or the server??

] [TITLE]Missing Post reply data[/TITLE] It must be a browser thing. I have never seen this error message

] [TITLE]Missing Post reply data[/TITLE] This is the same one that I see so often - and I think it actually worked one (1) time. The convenience of being able to have links in postings is completely lost if the first one that you follow destroys your ability to return to where you were to try the others.

Joan -- in Mac Netscape if you hold the mouse pressed down on a link without releasing, you get a menu from with you can select "New Browser Window with this Link" or something like that...

Sorry, my cat submitted that last post. I think it must be the browser. I use back all the time on this board and have never experienced that error. Myretta

Thanks for reminding me about that HC, but that is definitely not intuituve! Myretta, are you saying that when you follow a link froma topic that you haven't finished reading, you can come back and still be where you were when you left off? When I go back even if there is not error message, al that is left is the te xt entry window. And all those messages that I hadn't yet read are marked as seen.

]are you sayingthat when you follow a link froma topic that you haven't finished reading, you can come back andstill be where you were when you left off? Joan - No, I'm not saying that. When I follow a link and return to the board, the current topic is marked as read. What I don't get is thIs error message [TITLE]Missing Post reply data[/TITLE] [H1]Data Missing[/H1]

Myretta, can you follow a link in a posting, or post a followup, and then "go back" to the original display of messages, which may not have finished reading?? Most users of Netscape apparently CAN'T do this, due to the excessive use of no-cache directives.

No, Henry. I can't do that. But I don't get an error message, just screen with no posts. Myretta

Well, don't you think it's annoying that one is not able to do that, then? (I only get the error message sometimes -- not as often as Joan, apparently...)

Absolutely, it's damned annoying and frequently makes me long for the Amy's board.

Is there an easy way to include text from a previous post to which one would like to respond? Linda

If you mean "previous message" to this one, hit "redisplay"

Amy, question for you. OK I log in, check new and begin reading down the list. If I only get to half the list and log out will the half I have not read show the next time I log in? To make that cleared is "new" defined by my reading it or by the last time I logged in? thanks

] Is there an easy way to include text from a previous post to which one would like to respond? ___ Linda, it is pretty manual right now. I just copied and pasted your comment above.

] OK I log in, check new and begin reading down the list. If I only get to half the list and log out will the half I have not read show the next time I log in? To make that cleared is "new" defined by my reading it or by the last time I logged in? ___ I know I can answer the first part of your question, I am not sure about the second. The system will think you have read the whole topic, even if you only read one message, because each topic is just one file. This is the principle difference between this board and our old one, where every message was a different file. Imagine! As for the recognition of your log-in? I am fuzzier about that. Cookies are only vaguely comprehensible to me. However, unlike our dear Joan, I do not mind that they are known by that confectionary moniker. Amy

] Mich: OK I log in, check new and begin reading down the list. If I only get to half the list and log out will the half I have not read show the next time I log in? To make that cleared is "new" defined by my reading it or by the last time I logged in? Yes, the half of the topics that you have not actually opened will still be there and the postings that were considered new, will still be considered new until you actually open that topic. However, if you open a topic that had 20 new postings, and then had to quit after reading only 5 of them, the other 15 will still be counted as having been read, because, as Amy mentioned, each topic is a single file on the server. However, if you need to stop before finishing a topic, if you make note of the response number of the last one that you read, when you return you can go back and see those "skipped over" postings by entering the number of the last response that you actually did read in the little "redisplay" box at the bottom of the screen, and it will go back and show you everything from that message number onward. So to make it clear, "new" is defined by the date of your actually reading any part of a specific topic, not by the date of your last log in.

Now, I would like to know why the "repost this response" thingie doesn't work. I got a warning message saying (truthfully) that I had an unclosed tag. I fixed it, and clicked the" go ahead and post this" button, and it went through the motions, but posted nothing. I like it very much that the software is checking my tags to make sure that I did it right, but it is useless if it then refuses to post your corrected text.

Joan, re error checking. It should work better. What I do for now is make the correction, copy the post and post it as new.

Power users: The green smilies and frownies are now in the /usr/bbs/confs/austen dir so you shouldn't even need a path to put them in. But let's see:

No. What am I thinking. They would have to be in all these kinds of dirs: http://208.199.212.10/yapp-bin/restricted/respond/austen/9/since/-7 Well, not quite so easy but I'll put them in my public_html dir so all you should have to do is go [img src="~amy/ksmile.gif"] (as is getting to be the convention here, square brackets mean pointy brackets)

I certainly do miss not being able to edit my posts. You guys never knew before how much I screwed up. [img src="/~amy/ksmile.gif"] [img src="~amy/kfrown.gif"] [img src="~amy/gsmile.gif"] [img src="~amy/gfrown.gif"]

Thanks Amy

] Amy : I certainly do miss not being able to edit my posts. You guys never knew before how much I screwed up. But think how much better that makes us all feel when we mess up.

BTW, Amy, could you describe to us how to set up our own "public" directory - and give it the proper permissions?

The software here allows you to edit your posts. It would have to be added as an item. We may have talked about this in one of the yapp discussions. You can do a search for the word edit in the yapp conference.

Joan, just type: mkdir public_html chmod a+xr public_html and voilà...

9:97 - Terry: You can do a search for the word edit in the yapp conference. And how is this acomplished, pray tell? (I don't recall seeing anything about searching, though I could well have overlooked it.)

9:98 - Henri: Joan, just type: mkdir public_html chmod a+xr public_html and voil�... Thanks HC - just what I needed. :-)

Search function button is on the main page of each conference, Joan. Maybe when we get things figured out we could put it on each topic page as well. I have found it most useful, especially given our group's undisciplined way of responding to anything in any topic.

"Search function button is on the main page of each conference," Oh - I thought he was talking about text-yapp - I'm sure there is a way there, too, but I haven't seen it. "especially given our group's undisciplined way of responding to anything in any topic. " This lack of discipline is not restricted to this group. Unless participating in a formal debare, almost nobody stays strictly on topic.

Did somebody eat my cookie this morning?

"Did somebody eat my cookie this morning?" Well, last night I had the choice of chatting in Pemberley or going grocery shopping. I was hungry this morning!

A passing thought - is there anyway to change one's log-on password for Spring? If it's in the help file I missed it...

Anna, you must resign from the conference, I think, then re-up. This means all messages will be new to the new you.

9:105 Anna: is there anyway to change one's log-on password for Spring? Yes - you have to go out to the main menu, and I think it is easy to find from there. (If I go to look now, I will lose my place here!)

I went and looked - here is the link (hopefully) - titled something like modify user info in the main menu. (and I don't think you need to do any resigning to change your password - only if you change your name and you want the change to take effect on a conference you had already joined under the old one.) [http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/userinfo] (just in case the first one doesn't work)

thanks Joan

If you're a shell user you can change your password with the passwd command Then you can synchronize your web password with the command webuser

uuuurk!

uuuurk?

9:110 Terry Then you can synchronize your web password with the command webuser This makes our original ID and our shell ID become one? 9:112 Terry: uuuurk? UNIX shells have that effect on a lot of people! ;-)

It makes them one! Oneness.

Terry, it seems that with a .forward file, mail is BOTH forwarded to the specified address, and also added to the local mailbox /var/mail/USERNAME

First , pardon me if this has been up. I shall read through this whole topic when I get the time.But I want to post my dessert NOW! (Intentional screaming and bad temper.) I have tried three times this afternoon to send a dessert to the trolley thread and it just pushes them down on the floor.Where they disappear completely. So I must send out a warning!Lots of chocolate mousse is seeking it's target somewhere in cyberspace. But seriously I'm quite put out! Is it a case of Your tiny line is froozen or what?

Ann2, you are so cute. Try the remember button. If that does not stick, send me the post and I will put it up.

Ann2, I think this may have been a permissions problem which (I admit) I may have inadvertently caused. I believe it is ok now. Please try again and let me know. Myretta

Anyone? I changed my login to mich instead of my full name but now my Pseudonym changes back and forth between my full name and Mich. It's not related to different sessions but does change between different Topics. Am I doing something wrong?

I think the dessert is still frozen; I can't post to it either

Re: 9:119 - Mich: I changed my login to mich instead of my full name but now my Pseudonym changes back and forth between my full name and Mich. It's not related to different sessions but does change between different Topics. I believe that whatever "real name" was listed when one enters a topic sticks to that topic in perpetuity. (Well, almost) When I changed mine, I had to resign from the Austen conference and then re-join it, and after that, the name change took place in all items. The downside of this is that all one's pointers get re-set to the beginning and everything is considered "new" again.

I just signed up under a different name. I never bothered to resign the first one.(Used the same password for both)

OK, guys. I believe the dessert trolley is now open for business again.

I wish we had called psuedonym "subject" or "headline" so folks would get the idea they can use that to add to the content of their posts or use it as a humorous aside or something. Feel free to type whatever suits your fancy in to the psued box. You can ramble in psued too.

slippage!

"I just signed up under a different name. I never bothered to resign the first one." I thought about doing that, too - but a whole bunch of idle IDs can really clutter up a user list. Terry, do IDs here expire automatically if unused for "x" amount of time? (If that is the case, then nobody has to clean up after such "ghosts".)

Like old soldiers never dying, they just fade away.

Re: 9:128 - Terry: "Like old soldiers never dying, they just fade away." That's a comfort to know. :-) One more question, Terry - why is your HTTP server ("Apache") configured to ask for a cookie before displaying a large graphic? Seems to do it only the first time one asks.

I'm not sure why and I don't have my Apache book here.

Thanks for kind concern Amy and Myretta. Desserts are served this afternoon!

I looked in my Apache book but it's no help! Still looking for the answer to Joan's question.

I can't post to the ball (104), 2 attempts. Has it been frozen perchance?

Anna, I can't find anything wrong with it, but thanks for telling me. I will try to track down Terry or Myretta.

Re: 9:134 - Topic 104 - I'll take a look at it right away.

Amy, Re: Topic 104 - The Ball. You own this topic and the permissions need to be opened up so others can write to it. Either you or Terry can go the the directory and type "chmod 666 _104" and that should take care of it. I'll create a second ballrom in case you don't get to this before 10:00 EST Myretta

Help!!! Why is every item all of a sudden marked new again??? It took 2 minutes to display this item all over again!!! This is the second time this month that this has happened (to me, at least!).

Good girl, Amy. The ballroom should be open now. M

Thanks Myretta. Looks like everybody is late, though, or partied out. Alors...

9:137 not to me Joan

Myretta, I only did what you said chmod 666 _104 Maybe Terry did something else that reset Joan's read messages?

Maybe Terry did something else that reset Joan's read messages? Perhaps so. I need to did deeper into Yapp. Any word on root access?

] word on root access? Not yet

I feel as though I'm nipping into the cloak room to have a chat away from the noisy crowd in the ball room.

Or a smoke on the verandah.

And I'm doing all this with a cat in my bathrobe! I don't know how I'll manage when he goes home.

This isn't linked to yapp conference, is it?

A thought arising from this evening's ball (Austen topic 104). When one post's a new message to a topic it would be nice if the last message read and all the new messages before one's own were displayed, rather than just the message before one's own. Usually the message before one's own is the last message read, but if you get a group all posting at once there can be several messages in between. Then one has to remember the last message read and repost. I realise yapp isn't designed as 'chat' software, but having more than one person posting to a topic at once is bound to happen again, 16/12/97, if not before. (cross posted to yapp)

I've posted the "everything old is new again" problem on the yapp conference. How many have experienced it? (stuff you've already read is showing up as new)

Myretta, I don't have that problem, but I sympathize. What a nusiance, to go through again. It's all charming stuff, but one only has so much time.... Jane

It has happened to me twice already this month. The first time I did re-read it all. And now I am right back where I started. I am most seriously displeased!

The fix for this, for telnetters, is 'fixseen'. I wonder if there is a way to do this on the web?

Terry, what is the cause for the "old is new" trouble? Is there something a user can do to prevent it? Have you been getting my email?

It's a question for Dave. Did you see his response to Anna's question about what he's doing in the next release. A lot of the problems in this release will most likely be fixed inthe next release. And a lot of the features that you would like to see added to yapp can happen if you let Dave know what you need.

I congratulated myself on my good fortune too soon. The dreaded "everything old is new again" syndrome finally hit me too.

(((Will you pardon me for smirking ever so slightly if I do t behind my hand?)))

You have every right, Joan.

(((Will you pardon me for smirking ever so slightly if I do t behind my hand?)))

Hey! I did not smirk more than once, I promise you!

I will just have to take your word for that, now, won't I?

My word is worth its weight in any precious commodity you care to name! :-)

Re-read everything TwicE already...

Any shell people here know how to delete/scribble/edit/whatever a response in the shell version of yapp? When I ask for "help" at the [RFP] prompt I get a large number of options, but it will not allow me to use them: ] [110/115] Respond, forget, or pass? scr 42 ] You don't have permission to affect response 42. (Response 42 is my own posting) Here is what it says is possible: [110/116] Respond, forget, or pass? help Commands available only at this prompt (_'s denote minimal abbreviations): [response range] - display all responses in the specified range cen_sor [#] - censor a response e_nter - enter a new item f_ind "text" - show all responses including a string of text forget - pretend item doen't exist freeze - stop any further responses to this item h_eader - redisplay item header k_ill - delete this item from current conference n_ew - stop reading, and leave responses here as new p_ass - go on to next item po_stpone - go on to next item, leaving responses here as new ps_eudonym - respond to item using a pseudonym r_espond - add a response to this item rem_ember - remove the forgotten status of this item reply [#] - send mail to the author of a response retire - make this item inaccessible to people scr_ibble [#] - censor and scribble over a response st_op - stop reading thaw - let people respond to this item again tree - show diagram of response tree unretire - make this item accessible to people again Other miscellaneous commands available: c_hange [arg] ... - change various parameters cd [directory] - changes the current directory cfdir - change default directory for personal YAPP files d_isplay [arg] ... - displays various parameters da_te [date] - show the result of a date specification def_ine [variable] [type] [value] - defines a variable or command alias ec_ho [string] - prints the specified string of text eval_uate [[range]] "sepstring" - evaluates a separator string h_elp [topic] ... - show help on various topics m_ail [user] - send mail to a specific user source [filename] - execute commands in a batch file t_est [range] - show the result of a range specification uma_sk [value] - sets current umask to value und_efine [variable] - deletes previously defined variable and its value See also: range

]Any shell people here know how to delete/scribble/edit/whatever a response in the shell version of yapp? When I ask for "help" at the [RFP] prompt I get a large number of options, but it will not allow me to use them: Joan, I'll be glad to remove change or remove something for you, if you'll let m know what it is. Leave message here or email me. My address is on the committee list. (the one here isn't working. I've got to fix it).

Thank you Myretta, but I want to be able to do it myself! I would like to be able to clear up messes that I make in a timely manner - before dozens of others have had to wade through them!

Myretta -- it's probably best not to delete a message by editing the raw topics file _[0-9]+ in a text editior, because this might throw off Yapp; it would be much better if we could find out how to enable "scribbling". I was trying to help out Amy, but neither of us could figure out how to do this...

Morning, Henry. Joan told me something we didn't think of. In the shell, while you are reading posts the scribble command shows up when you ask for "help commands" and can be envoked at that point. She was not able to make scribble, work, however, until I made her a host. See a summary of a meeting the other night in the deeper conference, a post by Myretta, under I think the Yapp issues or Austen Unix topic.

Oh, what the heck!

I've done it and it can be a disaster.

]Oh, what the heck! ]I've done it and it can be a disaster. No, no Terry, I was referring to my aborted attempted at a graphic above. I promise to be a good Yapp user.

Joan, as long as you edit only the MESSAGE areas of the file (carefully not changing or deleting any lines that begin with comma + capital letter), then there shouldn't be any major problems -- unless, of course, someone has posted a message to the topic between the time you read the message into your editor and the time you wrote it back out to the file

(carefully not changing or deleting any lines that begin with comma + capital letter), You must be referring to Pico editing? I have seen no such lines in bbs/yapp text.

I haven't much to add to what Henry just said, except that you can most likely tell from content if not from +Caps which parts of the file are messages and which are not.

Well, I found out what "censor" does - and it is NOT edit! Response 168 of 175: Myretta Robens (mrobens) Sat, Jan 4, 1997 (11:43) 3 lines It leaves a CENSORED stamp where the text used to be! Ugh! And I guess scribbling is the same ting but without the CENSORED stamp - but how does one EDIT somte ed Dang! I can't backspace in this Telnet window - and I guess one can't just hop intpo GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! hop into the editor from within this either!

Curiouser and curiouser. Now I am looking at it in web format, and the CENSORED stamp is not there - it looks exactly the same as a "scribbled" response. So why have two commands that do the same thing? I did it to 168 and 172 and there are just headers there with no text. The other thing I meant to say is that when I scribbled on my duplicate post over in topic 110 yesterday, it asked me for confirmation, but "censor" did not, and in fact I didn't think anything had happened to 168 (which was Myretta s) so thought I'd see if it would work on one of my own (172). I thought neither had worked till I went back and read them again.

This is just a nothing message that I will try to censor or scribble on from the REDISPLAY box, If it is still here, you will know that it did not work.

Well, I tried it, and got: Invalid command: scribble 178

Here I am in Telnet window again - I tried one more thing - went into topic 9 with pico and tried adding something to one of my posts. When I did ^X I got a message that the file could not be opened for writing. So, if postings can be edited by a "fairwitness" and I as supposedly one in this conf., how would I go about editing something?

Joan went exploring ] Well, I found out what "censor" does - and it is NOT edit! Maybe the only way to edit is to do in in the /usr/bbs/conf/austen/[_topic files]? ] Dang! I can't backspace in this Telnet window Joan look at my .profile file, modified to use a different shell script that I like much better and which allows destructive backspace. To change to it without modifying the .profile, type tcsh at the prompt. Is that right, Henry? - and I guess one can't just hop intpo GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! hop into the editor from within this either! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ] This is just a nothing message that I will try to censor or scribble on from the REDISPLAY box, If it is still here, you will know that it did not work. This is the box everybody has at the bottom of each topic page? What else can one do -- or what else is one supposed to be able to to -- in it? Only as host? ] Here I am in Telnet window again - I tried one more thing - went into topic 9 with pico and tried adding something to one of my posts. When I did ^X I got a message that the file could not be opened for writing. So, if postings can be edited by a "fairwitness" and I as supposedly one in this conf., how would I go about editing something? We still have to work out this whole file ownership thing, reconciling the Yapp user levels with the UNIX ones, and I'd say, for our conference anyway, be a little more trusting with write access generally.

I meant to add to the thing about file ownership, UNIX did not care you are a fairwitness in Yapp. Yapp does not much care who you are in UNIX, either, it seems in some cases. That pesky little cfadm gets to bully his way around like the general's aide. Which reminds me, Terry, have you any objecting to our changing cfadm's profile config. I can't do anything as that little jerk.

Oh-oh. What's going on this morning? Last three topics I tried to look at in the web interface returned a server error. Usually that is just a blip that trying again recifies. Not so today. No amount of persistence sems to signify. Hmm..

Amy: No, just run it by Dave in yapp or email him mailto://yapp@umich.edu ..if there's any potential problems that could could be caused by messing with cfadm I hope to see you in deeper today with the others. I'd like to get your opinions on some things.

As I already e-mailed to Amy and Joan, to fix the backspace in a telnet shell, you need to either change the configuration of your local telnet program, or to change stty erase '^H' to stty erase '^?' in your shell configuration file. If you're running sh/ksh/bash, then your shell configuration file is ".profile", and if you're running csh or tcsh, then your shell configuration files are ".login" and ".cshrc". I think that tcsh is the easiest to use, and I've been known to "push" it onto others (like Amy...) To change your shell, run the "chsh" program, and change the appropriate line from "/bin/sh" to "/bin/tcsh", or whatever. If you run tcsh as your shell, it will treat both ^H and ^? (a.k.a. DEL a.k.a. ASCII 127) as backspace at the shell level (though this doesn't help you with subordinate programs such as "pico"). Amy, it would probably be best not to run "chsh" on the root and cfadm accounts, unless you know Terry is comfortable with tcsh; to get your own configuration, type "tcsh" on the shell command line, then the commands "source ~amy/.login" and "source ~amy/.cshrc" to get your own accustomed configuration.

Henry, can you help me figure out mime files for Realaudio on barton.spring.com and how to set up www.golftravel.net as a virtual domain on barton.spring.com? Meet me in deeper.

Amy: ] Well, I found out what "censor" does - and it is NOT edit! Maybe the only way to edit is to do in in the /usr/bbs/conf/austen/[_topic files]? Well, as you saw farther on down, that did not work, either. :-( Amy: ] This is just a nothing message that I will try to censor or scribble on from the REDISPLAY box, If it is still here, you will know that it did not work. This is the box everybody has at the bottom of each topic page? What else can one do -- or what else is one supposed to be able to to -- in it? Only as host? You are supposed to be able to type in stuff like message ranges - I am not sure what else might work, but I figured it could not hurt anything to try - worst case outcome is an error message. [grin] Amy: ] Joan look at my .profile file [snip] If I change my .profile, then there are other (different) instances in which I cannot use the backspace key. :-( I think I may eventually be able to fix this in my Telnet app, but I have not taken the time to understand what all that stuff means yet. Amy: ] UNIX did not care you are a fairwitness in Yapp. Right - it was late and I forgot when I was where and who was on first. :-) HC: ] If you're running sh/ksh/bash, HC, how do I tell (in my other shell hosts) what shell I am using? I have got them both to match, and would like this one to match as well. I would rather have them all work the same way than have whatever is "coolest" in some place and not in others. I have enough trouble with UNIX gobbledegook anyway without having to remember different things for different shells!

Run "chsh" or grep your name in /etc/passwd to tell which shell you're using. "sh" and "csh" are the two traditional basic shells, without much user friendliness. "ksh" and "bash" are enhanced versions of "sh", and "tcsh" is an enhanced version of "csh". I think you said you use "csh" elsewhere, so you should upgrade to "tcsh" (it's widely, though not universally, available, on recent Unix systems, and has lots of nifty features...). "tcsh" is backwards-compatible with "csh".

Joan, Type echo $SHELL at your unix prompt and it will tell you what shell you're using. For example, /bin/ksh.

Actually, Myretta, $SHELL is an instruction to subordinate programs as to what shell they should use, but it does not NECESSARILY indicate what the presently-running shell is, or what the login shell is. For example, I have "tcsh" as my login shell, but on the U.Texas Unix systems I have $SHELL set to "csh", so that when other programs open up a sub-shell, they will use the simpler "csh" rather than the big "tcsh" shell...

Point taken, Henry. If Joan has set the SHELL variable in her .profile (or whatever) to something other than the system shell, echo $SHELL will show her whatever she has set there.

HC: ] Run "chsh" or grep your name in /etc/passwd Huh? HC: ] I think you said you use "csh" elsewhere. No - I don't remember what I'm using elsewhere - that's what I'd like to find out. HC: ] and has lots of nifty features...). Which would be completely wasted on me! :-) Myretta: ] If Joan has set the SHELL variable in her .profile (or whatever) to something other than the system shell Who, me? Joan has set nothing to anything - she doesn't even have enough knowledge to make it a dangerous thing. Her rule is: "If you don't know what it is or how it works, don't mess with it." That makes 99% of stuff off limits! ;-)

Joan -- just type "chsh" on spring, and you'll be thrown into your editor and shown your configuration and be given an opportunity to edit it. "fgrep jwinsor /etc/passwd/" will show your account configuration info in a more raw way. And yes, I think even you will be able to grasp at least some of the nifty new features almost at once -- both types of backspaces work, the lefvt and right arrow keys work, the up and down arrow keys do command history. If you then discover the TAB key, you'll have grasped the basic essentials ;-)

"And yes, I think even you will be able to grasp at least some of the nifty new features ' I assure you, you are greatly overestimating my "talents" in this arena; I would be unlikely to recognize a feature if it jumped out and bit me! It makes no difference if your car can go from zero to 60 in six seconds if you never drive it anywhere but in the driveway!

Henry, Amy said something about your scanning more graphical emoticons into her directory. Is this true? and if so can you send me a list of them so I can put them on the tutorial.

Ann, they still need to be snipped apart and worked on a little. Want to help?

What can I do?

I will send you the files. Then you can look at them and we can talk about it.

Speaking of help. The Spring needs help configuring realaudio on http://www.childrenstory.com. We need immeidate help, please get in touch with me or Amy right away if you know how to set up a realaudio server or know someone who can help with this. It's pretty urgent.

Amy, I shall await the files with eager anticipation!

On the other hand, it may be easier for you to tell me where they are, and I can get them myself.

Ann, I am putting the new ones in /~amy/emo This is perplexed (perp.gif). Henry just don't say anything. (He won't like it because the bg will dither and the shape is not round like a 70's happy face.) Just keep it to yourself. Let it soak in on me and I may come around. Or not.

Try again. Ann, I am putting the new ones in /~amy/emo This is perplexed (perp.gif). Henry just don't say anything. (He won't like it because the bg will dither and the shape is not round like a 70's happy face.) Just keep it to yourself. Let it soak in on me and I may come around. Or not.

Actually, Amy, I think the background is "pre-dithered" (the little dots are hard-coded into the .gif). I think the round shape does make for easier recognition as a stylized face, yes...

Amy, look at how it appears at 5 x magnification: The anti-aliasing is for black, not minty green, and the dithering was introduced by the gif-creation program, not by the browser...

I too have been struck new' about 40 minutes ago. Was any of the hosts redecorating at the time perchance?

Look. Just about the time the clock reset. Mrs Columbo we need you.

I'm on the case. Mrs. C

btw, it seems probable that it is as a result of posting while their is 'background' work going on that one is struck new; has anyone informed Dave Thaler of our conclusions? If not I'll post it in Yapp.

]result of posting while their is 'background' the shock was too much for me; that should have read result of loading while there is background I hardly dare hit the submit button, for fear it strikes again

Please post it in yapp. Or email yapp@umich.edu

] Please post it in yapp OK

Is it just me or is anyone else having problems here the last two days? The speed is at a snails pace. It takes me 2 to 3 minutes to load a topic? when loading 1/2 the time I get a message telling server is down or not responding? I thought maybe my network at work was the problem but it's doing the same thing to me at home tonight? Anyone have ideas? help Mich

Mich: Is it just me or is anyone else having problems here the last two days? The speed is at a snails pace. It takes me 2 to 3 minutes to load a topic? Same problem here Mich...something's up...

Slower than molasses in January!

There have apparently been ice storms in the Austin area which have caused power outages. That's why the server has been unavailable and is probably related to other problems.

A new odd thing happened at just after 7:30 central. Topics with new messages I had just read showed up on the main Austen conference page as still unread. When I took the links I found, in each case, no new messages, only a page with the message form only. Hmmmm.

Oh. I bet I know. It is probably a result of putting the date right.

Oh. I bet I know. It is probably a result of putting the date right That would be my guess, Amy.

--- I had just read showed up on the main Austen conference page as still unread. When I took the links I found, in each case, no new messages, only a page with the message form only. Hmmmm. Funny it does but only on 2 topic, Austen in Boston and Terry's new conferences one.

]I had just read showed up on the main Austen conference page as still unread. When I took the links I found, in each case, no new messages, only a page with the message form only. Hmmmm. Curioser and curioser; it's just started doing it to me, topics 113, 114, 117 only.

and also topic 3 in Austen test...

I think the blank topics problem should disappear once we catch up with and pass messages with future dates.

you're right Amy; 113 just disappeared off my 'new' list; it's last time was Jan 9 2020.

Since yesterday, when I select 'new' each topic still displays every single entry since the beginning of the topic. Is anyone else experiencing this? If I select 'activity in the last week' that works OK.

Mary you have been struck by the 'new-is old' bug ( see above discussion). Comiserations from a fellow sufferer

]'new-is old' err; that should have been 'old-is-new'

We've been having clock problems because of the relentless ice storms and power outages hittig the normally benign Austin area. The other day, we had nine power outages in a day. All our recent problems are weather and power surge related. Any member of our unix team with superuser privs can reset the clock if they notice the time is off. The command, at the shell, is called 'time'. Or if you're at an ok prompt type !time

Well, I was struck yesterday with the "everything old is new again" phenomeon, but this had a different twist to it from what I understand from fellow sufferers...only a little over half of my messages were "new again"--from topic 71 and on...??? Curiouser and curiouser! But on the up side, whilst I was "reading" everything again, I hied myself over to the Soliciter's Office and practiced my HTML!!

I've been running webuser on most of the folks here so that your web stuff will now be synchronized with anything you do in unix. This command is fixed now. So your web password should be the same as that in the shell.

"So your web password should be the same as that in the shell." But I didn't want to do that yet, Terry - unless multiple simultaneous logins from the same ID are permitted. I am still at the stage when if I do something in web I want to see what it looks like in bbs, and vice versa. So I am sometimes logged on both as a web user and as a shell user. Now if I try to do that, is it going to refuse me permission, because I am already logged on? (I know that this can be a problem because at tmn they used to allow multiple simultaneous logins, and then changed - and t at means that if one's ISP drops carrier, one can not log back in at all until 15 minutes of inactivity on the previous login has occurred and the server closes the connection at the other end. :-(

It shouldn't cause any problems like you describe. I haven't had any problems being synched like this for months.

for the log; I was struck new again about 5-10 minutes ago, after spring temporarily stopped responding for 5 mins. Backroom activity recorded?

Anna, you experienced one of the power outages that have been happening frequently. Stay tuned, a major ice storm and freezing weather is headed this way again. It's just moving into the area.

AMY AMY AMY AMY Just change provider and am now with Explorer since it comes with Win95. Major problem : been trying to e-mail you all day. Always returned as undeliverable. Please e-mail me at dagetter@dsuper.net.

Johanne, why don't you use spring.com as your popmail server?

Actually, can not understand what I'm doing wrong, but unable to use internet mail in and out. This is my only source out there, somebody please e-mail my, Terry, Caroline, anyone... Amazing how desperate you get when you can not connect anymore.

Hi Terry, glad someone's there. What do you mean popmail server? and BTW were should I go to change my e-mail address on you conference?

Testing one two for new e-mail

Yes, it's getting very cold here, Terry. No power outages yet where I am (central Austin), though...

This server is located in North Austin, Henry. Johanne, I ( or any member of the unix team) can set up an account for you and then you can get your mail at johanne@spring.com. Just let us know if you want it. Popmail is the way Netscape gets mail, it pulls it off of our popmail server.

Johanne, who is your new provider? If anyone else here is using the same one, perhaps they can help you configure your software for mail. Configuring for the first time can be confusing and frustrating, but once you get all of the necessary info in the right places it should all run smoothly.

Terry: I've been running webuser on most of the folks here so that your web stuff will now be synchronized with anything you do in unix. This command is fixed now. So your web password should be the same as that in the shell. Terry, are you sure it worked? I wasn't thinking about it when I logged in and I used my old web password, and it worked. I thought I should have had to use the shell password???

I don't think I did yours. Do you want me to?

I'd prefer to stay the way I am for a little longer if it's OK - I do intend to merge once I get my conceptual map completed.

Follow-up to 137:11. I tried to 'remember' one of my 'forgotten' topics by clicking on the remember button; I was asked for my user name and password, then returned to the forgotten list; the topic remained forgotten. I tried a couple of times; still forgotten. I checked; I don't see it in the 'all' list. It's of no importance - I picked an extinct topic to be unread, but I can't help wondering; has anyone ever successfully 'remembered' a 'forgotten' topic?

Have you tried doing it in the shell?

Have you tried doing it in the shell? This is not really the point - if that option is going to be offered to web browser users (the button is there) then it ought to work in the web version.

]Have you tried doing it in the shell? me? shell Terry, only uinder conditions of dire emergency would I attempt such a thing! I don't have, and have never aspired to, a shell account.

Exsqueeze me!

A little UNIX help for me and Bernie? Log from chat: From: Bernie at 1/15/97 10:32 AM Amy, call me stupid. I've been trying to organise mail collection in the Spring account. I typed in "set ma" to flag this option and when I display the flag it says that it's switched on. OK, now if I logout and come back in again and I look at my mail options that flag is switched off again. So what am I doing wrong ? I told you I was useless at UNIX :( From : Amy Oh, I am worthless with most of that non-web, sysadmin stuff Bern. But I will copy your explanation here and ask Myretta or somebody about it in the help topic. Maybe your profile needs to be changed, but I can't run pico myself due to a terminal emulation problem, though I can in my other shell accounts with the same troublesome telnet ap, so I think it's something that needs to be configured on Spring's end -- not on your account level I will try to find out and understand it for both of us.

A little UNIX help for me and Bernie? When you set a variable at the command line, it only lasts as long as the session during which you set it. It should be added to your .profile if you want it to be invoked each time you log on. If you are having trouble with the editor, please tell me what you want set and I'll be glad to do it for you. Myretta

Actually, I didn't mean pico, Myretta. We were talking about mail. I meant Pine. I always say that wrong. I do have pico now, Terry set it for me, and Henry set my shell to tcsh. I would like to know how to do this sort of thing for myself and for others. Thanks.

Amy, I'd be glad to meet you in the office and walk you through anything I can help with. Or I'll post directions here. I guess I'm not really clear on what you want to do. Do you want to edit your .profile? Let me know.

Amy, the command to set one's login shell is "chsh". Maybe I could look at your configuration files on the other systems to see if there are any differences in, for example, stty commands...

Wasn't sure which topic to add this under; decided it would fit in better here than "Best of chat":

Henry -- I am truly concerned for Joan's safety and sanity. I do hope that some of you computer "beasty tamers" will make certain that she comes to no harm. (I love the "no apple" signs!)

HC: Wasn't sure which topic to add this under; decided it would fit in better here than "Best of chat": Sir, you are too cruel, for it is obvious that it is escape that I would wish for rather than "help"! Kathleen: (I love the "no apple" signs!) That is the scariest part of the whole graphic! On the whole, however, I must express myself as being quite

I wanted to put links to some of the Goled Globe winners.I guess the pictures expired from cache.

Donna, thanks for starting a Golden Globes awardin the movies conference. Starting topics topic in other conferences is a healthy trend to be encouraged. Will you please post a list of the winners in this topic? That would be helpful because some folks, like me right at this moment, don't have access to a web browser (I'm on notebook with terminal only).

Supporting actress,motion picture: *Lauren Bacall*,"The Mirror Has Two Faces." Supporting actor,motion picture: *Edward Norton*,"Primal Fear." Actor,TV series musical or comedy: *John Lithgow*,"3rd Rock From the Sun" Actress,TV series musical or comedy: *Helen Hunt*,"Mad About You." TV series,musical or comedy: "3rd Rock From the Sun." Director,motion picture: *Milos Forman*, " The People vs.Larry Flynt." Supporting actress,TV series, miniseries or TV movie: *Kathy Bates*, "Late Shift"(HBO) Supporting actor,TV series,miniseries or TV movie: *IanMcKellen* "Rasputin."(HBO) Original score,motion picture: *Gabriel Yared*, *"English Patient*." Miniseries or TV movie: "*Rasputin*." Actor,motion picture musical or comedy: *Tom Cruise*,"Jerry Maguire." Actress,motion picture musical or comedy: *Madonna*,"Evita." Cecil B. DeMille Award: *Dustin Hoffman* Actress, miniseries or TV movie: *Helen Mirren*,"Losing Chase." Actor,miniseries or TV movie: *Alan Rickman*, "Rasputin." Actress, TV drama series: *Gillian Anderson*, "The X-Files"(Fox). Actor,TV drama series: *David Duchovny*, "The X-Files." TV series, drama: "*The X-FIles*." Original song,motion picture: "You Must Love Me"(from Evita"),music by *Andrew Loyd Webber*, lyrics by *Tim Rice*. Screenplay,motion picture: "The People vs Larry Flynt," *Scott Alexander* and *Larry Karaszewski*. Foreign language film: "Kolya,"the *Czech Republic*. Motion picture, musical or comedy: "*Evita*." Actress,motion picture drama: *Brenda Blethyn*, "Secrets and Lies." Actor,motion picture drama: *Geoffrey Rush*, "Shine." Motion picture, drama: *"The English Patient*." I did enjoy everyones exception speeches.It just seemed that everyone was having a hard time getting up to the stage. Donna I hope this works

Very complete list, Donna, thanks. No CF sighting at this event unfortunately (or did I miss something?) BTW, I think you mean 'acceptance', but there were a few I heard that could be classified as 'exceptions' as well.

Thanks Mary,BTW he was mentioned as part of the cast.

Yah, he was the LAST one named! But at least he WAS named..

I think you're right, Donna...

When i click on "Live Chat in the Pemberly Drawing Room" all i get is rules that I do not understand and no CHAT............can anyone help

TJ...I left you a note with instructions on the Best of Chat topic...email me if you need more help. clsneed@ix.netcom.com

Or if you still have trouble, TJ, copy the garbage you get and paste it in here so we can better diagnose.

TJ, could you describe this a little more exactly? I've used this link and it's worked. Can someone post the exact link to Pemberly chat so TJ can bookmark it and find his way there?

1. Only need to add you name; 2. Specify Pemberley Drawing Room 3., others infos are optional http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin/Chat/nph-chat.cgi

1. Only need to add you name; 2. Specify Pemberley Drawing Room 3. Click on Enter Chat Room button ps : other infos are optional for your pleasurable enjoyment : http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin/Chat/nph-chat.cgi

Also, unlike many other chatrooms, new postings do not automatically appear. Once you get in, you must either make a posting of your own, or click on the "New Messages" button in order to see what others are saying. New people often wander in and do not see anyone answering their greeting (because they did not click "New Mesages") and then leave disappointed! This chat software must also have been invented by someone who reads in the Asian manner. The newest messages are at the top of the page, not the bottom.

Now why did the html editor not tell me that my tag was messed up! Sorry about that!

My finger is too heavy on the shift key!

(Did someone turn off the html editor? It just let me submit a posting with nothing but a closing tag! It should have complained about that, too!)

The filter may not be set up to look for a [u] tag, Joan. We can check.

We're supposed to have 'sanity checking'. For tags, that is.

Using netscape gold 3.1 as in Amy's memo, typed telnet:www.spring.com, nothing happens, normal? think not. furthermore : got netmeeting : is uls.microsoft.com the right uls for get in contact with terry or amy?

uls1.microsoft.com, Johanne. Sorry I have not been around more to help. Arnessa needs some basic help in the shell too. Maybe we can all do it togehter.

Joan, the reason why Yapp hasn't been set up by default to check [u][/u] is that [u][/u] is not really a standard HTML tag. You should really use [i] or [b] instead, because they are more widely supported, and because [u] can create confusion with links (which are also underlined in many browsers)...

Oh, and when I am on, I use the nickname "Your mom." It helps a lot with harrassment. What horny little 19 year old will want to deal with that?

Is extra-heavy-drooling material the norm at uls.microsoft.com ? was amazed at the mentions

All the channels are like that J.

Johanne, Try typing telnet://www.spring.com. Provided you've configuered Netscape to locate a telnet program this should work.

Terry: "We're supposed to have 'sanity checking'. For tags, that is.' What does sanity checking mean? HC:[u][/u] is not really a standard HTML tag. You should really use [i] or [b] instead, because they are more widely supported, and because [u] can create confusion with links (which are also underlined in many browsers)... My dear HC, a single word underlined for emphasis bears no resemblance at all to a link in anyone's browser. And I refuse to have my formatting preferences limited by the arbitrary whims of some scruffy browser author who wishes to dictate style by fiat! I have had the html watchdog recall postings that just accidentally included an angle bracket without any legimate tag in it at all - just for having an angle bracket. So why it should let me get away with a complete tag (no matter what was inside the brackets) that was not followed by a closing tag, is beyond my comprehension! (so there!) ;-)

My dear Joan, it's not merely the browser authors, but the HTML standard-setters, who have so far conspicuously failed to include [u] in any HTML standard of note (HTML 2.0, HTML 3.2, whatever). Look at the HTML guide at http://www.werbach.com/barebones/ in which [u] is listed as "not widely implemented". Furthermore, in the real world of designing and publishing printed material, underlining is considered ugly and amateurish -- pick up a typical book or magazine, and look at how much underlining you can find, as compared to italicizing and bolding. Since [u] is not on Yapp's list of tags to check for, it considers it a no-account trash tag, and lets you do whatever you want with it... (For all it knows, [u] could be a non-terminating tag like [br], [hr] or [img].)

Maybe an old problem, but new to me or is it just that I have reached this level of awareness, that permits me to describe it to myself and anybody kind enough to give advice. When I was trying out favourite websites of others, and used the 'back' knob in netscape's tool line, I did not get back to topic or even spring. What is wrong? Screen message: Data missing! If you want to reload... AHAA Ithought to myself, this rings a bell of warning...is this what leads to the notorious 'all new' that so many have been lamenting about? However when I clicked at underlined Go I was able to return.

Ann, when you get that reload screen, just hit the back button again (maybe twice). It should work. If you reload at that time, you will repost what was already posted--leading to double entries you see around here a lot.

Ann2 -- The difficulties in using the browser "back" button have to do with "no-cache" HTTP headers issued by Yapp -- a different problem than "old is new".

I have encountered this problem -- but clicking on the reload icon got me back to where I had been, and w/o posting a message (blank or otherwise).

Kathleen: but clicking on the reload icon got me back to where I had been, and w/o posting a message (blank or otherwise). I'll bet that is because you had not posted anything in the topic yet before you used "back" - and I'll also bet that if you had some "new" postings displayed, when you did get back they were no longer visible. A most irritating bug!

The Spring server is dishing out multiple helpings of SERVER ERROR messages this evening. At about 5:25 PST it gave me 5 in a row but finally connected from the main menu - at which time it looked as if Austen had been struck with Old-is-new again - it listed 167 topics as being new - but when I entered, it turned out to be a false alarm - THANK GOODNESS! But the server errors continue.....

Same with me on Monday : multiple Server error, old is new on one topic but all was well after that

multiple Server error, Monday AM. Couldn't see anything immediately wrong with system.

Does anyone know what happened to the next topic button? It seems to have been replaced by a hand written one?????

Gee, I wonder who's to blame? >>>>><<<<<

Geez! what a tattle-tale! ;-)

And also, sometimes that button is "Previous Topic" and sometimes "Next Topic." Can it be changed to always be Next Topic?

Terry, I take it you don't like my experiment. I don't know if you have been following our ongoing button saga. It seems it is impossible to change buttons on a conference by conference basis. You would probably agree that the green, red and blue buttons look ghastly with our regency green. So what to do? I'll keep at it in hopes of finding something that blends better with both color schemes. Though, truthfully? I made the Middlemarch and drool conferencs to match the buttons? And I am starting to like their looks. All things considered, though, it might be best to have a more neutral button, so that conferences do not have to be designed around them. No?

] And also, sometimes that button is "Previous Topic" and sometimes "Next Topic." Can it be changed to always be Next Topic? __ I am not sure what you mean, Susan.

Just make it look good. I'm looking at it on a monochrome notebook.

#301 Amy, sometimes my Next Topic button is at the bottom right of my message screen, but sometimes it is clear over at the bottom left. I haven't figured out any rhyme or reason to it -- maybe I'm doing something weird?

Amy, sometimes my Next Topic button is at the bottom right of my message screen, but sometimes it is clear over at the bottom left. I haven't figured out any rhyme or reason to it -- maybe I'm doing something weird? __ That must be it, Susan. You must be doing something weird. No, really two explanations I can think of. Maybe you are resizing your browser window, like if you made it small, you would cause buttons to jump down to begin a new row. The other thing is the that the main conference page has different buttons from each topic page. One example: you can search for text in the whole conference on the front page, no search is available by topic.

Moved from topic 137 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181: "Old is New" explained! Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (09:03) | Henry (churchh) For a while now, I've had the suspicion that the "old is new" problem affects people who have completely "caught" up" in a conference (i.e. who have read all messages in all topics, or have "forgotten" the topics they have not read). This was recently confirmed for me when the "old is new" problem hit me for the first time ever -- in the Austentest conference, which is the only conference, out of all those I am subscribed to, in which I have read all the messages in all the topics. So I conclude that if you don't want to be affected by this problem, you should have at least one topic in a conference which you leave unread. (For me, the "drooling" thread serves this purpose .) Maybe we could set up a dummy thread in this conference (with a subject of "DON'T READ THIS" or something), whose only purpose would be to save people from "old is new" by remaining unread? 47 new of 47 responses total. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 1 of 47: Kathleen Grant (Kaffeine) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (10:46) * 3 lines HC - I don't know. I have frequently read all the messages in all the topics, both here and at austentest, and have never experienced the "old is new" phenomenon. {knocking on every wooden object I can find} ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 2 of 47: Amy (Amy) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (11:05) * 2 lines Your experience would tend to support your theory, Henry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 3 of 47: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (12:08) * 3 lines I also usually have all messages read and never have had this problem. There is a problem with leaving one topic open--the next messages tag. If you use the next messages link, you will not know when you are getting to the dummy topic. If the dummy topic were the first one, then there would not be a problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 4 of 47: Amy (Amy) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (12:13) * 2 lines Good point, Ann. Always thinkin', aren't you darlin'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 5 of 47: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (12:17) * 1 lines I have a lot of time on my hands, Mom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 6 of 47: Donna (Donna) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (13:12) * 1 lines Ok I guess I should tell,I hit forgotten and got "old is new". It happen a few days ago. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 7 of 47: Hilary Talbot (Hilary) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (13:58) * 3 lines I haven't experienced the O is N syndrome. I've also not used the 'forget' button - what does it do? But because I was so far behind in reading anything at all I've been using the URL thing that Amy gave me, set to -1 : (http://208.199.212.10/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austen/137/since/-1 This gives me the last days messages, and I'm catching up. Does using this help with the O is N? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 8 of 47: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (16:22) * 1 lines I have a lot of time on my hands, Mom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 9 of 47: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (16:27) * 1 lines How did that post a second time, and four hours after it first went up??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 10 of 47: Mary C. Fox (MaryC) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (16:28) * 2 lines I am one of those acknowledged computor illiterates. Two or three times a week, I go into this conference and read all the new stuff. I never had the 'old is new' problem until the Austin area had all the weather problems this past week. I just went through the entire list presented to me as "new" and scrolled or read everything to the end of each (It's a cold, rainy day here in San Diego and the playoffs are on...and yes, I know, "cold" here is a joke). Will let you know what happens next time I go i to read all the new stuff again. Thanks for all your attention to this frustrating problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 11 of 47: Anna (Anna) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (16:32) * 3 lines Ann is right about the next button; I have 'forgotten' the topics I'm not interested in (not topic 4 btw), and view the others either with since/-1 or new, and scroll through them all with the 'next' button. Both times I got old-is-new I was using 'new' not since/-1. The problem is worst with the Austen main conference; is there any way we can add a topic 0/a/* or whatever to the beginning? In the meantime I'll 'unforget' something and skip that (unless I forget...). If enough of us try HC's method we'll at least have a chance of testing his theory. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 12 of 47: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (16:41) * 1 lines I have never had a problem with old-is-new, and I have never used the forgotten tag. Could that be responsible? Has anyone who has never used the forget command had the o-i-n problem? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 13 of 47: Kali Pappas (Kali) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (18:34) * 1 lines I have left several topics unread, and still have the old-is-new problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 14 of 47: Myretta (mrobens) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (18:35) * 3 lines ] Has anyone who has never used the forget command had the o-i-n problem? That would be me. I've never used forget, but have experienced old is new. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 15 of 47: The Mysterious H.C. (churchh) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (18:38) * 2 lines I have never used "forget", but was hit by "old-is-new" in austentest conference (where I read everything)... My theory doesn't explain all the facts, but it seems to cover a number of cases (as a "necessary but not sufficient condition"). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 16 of 47: Inko (Inko) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (19:31) * 1 lines I've never used forgotten button, and never been hit by old is new. I'm too scared to hit anything other than next topic! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 17 of 47: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (19:52) * 3 lines I've suggested that Dave have an option to read and go to the next topic in one button in the next version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 18 of 47: Joan, too (jwinsor) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (20:57) * 4 lines Terry: "I've suggested that Dave have an option to read and go to the next topic in one button in the next version.' Do you not mean reply and go to the next topic? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 19 of 47: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (20:59) * 1 lines yes! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 20 of 47: Cheryl Sneed (Cheryl) * Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (03:11) * 1 lines Those who have never been hit with the "old is new" syndrome, pray do not be too smug! I was once an innocent like yourselves...I too shook my head at the sufferings of those less fortunate than myself and said "well, that won't happen to me" I'm here to tell you it can, and it just may, so beware! It can strike at any time! Buhwahahaha! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 21 of 47: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (03:39) * 1 lines Uh oh, the Buhwahahaha syndrome has hit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 22 of 47: Mari Topitzes (Mari) * Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (12:16) * 1 lines Cheryl; Many who have been inflicted with old-is-new have posted messages on 'disremembered' messages because of it; perhaps there is some ggod to come out of it after all! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 23 of 47: Cheryl Sneed (Cheryl) * Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (16:25) * 4 lines Mari: Many who have been inflicted with old-is-new have posted messages on 'disremembered' messages because of it; perhaps there is some ggod to come out of it after all! I've noticed that too! Threads that have lain dormant for weeks are suddenly alive again...it must be due to people having to go through everything! ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 24 of 47: Ann (Ann) * Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (19:45) * 1 lines To figure out what is happening, I think it is just as important to know who is not getting hit, as it is who is getting hit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 25 of 47: Ann (Ann) * Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (22:15) * 3 lines It finally happened!!! I got hit with a mutant strain of the old-is-new bug!! It is mutant, because it didn't hit all of the threads, only 113-140 but it did not hit 123 or 128! FYI it occured at 10:06 pm CST. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 26 of 47: Joan, too (jwinsor) * Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (23:00) * 1 lines Before we all go hog-wild on speculation, it should probably be noted that the following topics: 3, 8, 25, 27, 48, 50, 67, 68, 69, 123, 128 do not exist any more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 27 of 47: Cheryl Sneed (Cheryl) * Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (00:14) * 1 lines Ann, I was struck by the mutant strain last week. But my new topics ran from 70 something to the end...:-( ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 28 of 47: Myretta (mrobens) * Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (17:15) * 1 lines January 14, 1997 6:13 PM EST - STRICKEN ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 29 of 47: Mari Topitzes (Mari) * Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (17:26) * 1 lines For our records; have one topic in forgotten, frequently read ALL new messages, so that no topics are showing. Have NEVER been stricken (knocking on wood as I type...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 30 of 47: Cheryl Sneed (Cheryl) * Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (18:46) * 4 lines Myretta: January 14, 1997 6:13 PM EST - STRICKEN Oh Myretta dearest, not again! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 31 of 47: Myretta (mrobens) * Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (20:16) * 4 lines Oh Myretta dearest, not again! One would think I'd learn not to read everything. Call compulsive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 32 of 47: Joan, too (jwinsor) * Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (21:12) * 4 lines January 14, 1997 6:13 PM EST - STRICKEN We need a sound byte from the funeral march for occasions such as these! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 33 of 47: Linda (Linda409) * Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (04:32) * 4 lines Got hit with all old is new syndrome for the first time. I never use any buttons except next topic or prev topic (will sometimes go back to the austen conference. BTW, I've been sick, so I'm very far behind; many, many new posts that I haven't read. This morning, I had just completed the Ramble topic; wanted to go back to austen conference, but hit next topic, instead. Clicked on STOP, then austen conference. Got "Server error. The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unab e to complete your request." Clicked on back; came to austen conference and all old is now new. Linda ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 34 of 47: Anna (Anna) * Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (05:20) * 3 lines ] all old is now new. Deepest Sympathy Linda ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 35 of 47: Rebecca Davey (Becks) * Thu, Jan 16, 1997 (23:08) * 1 lines It only happens to me with certain topics. Has always been a problem, but thank god I have a decent memory, I can tell by the most numbers if there are any new messages. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 36 of 47: Joan, too (jwinsor) * Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (00:08) * 7 lines Just a reminder - when the old-is-new bug bites you, you can avoid reading all of everything again by using the URL below: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/since/-1/new which will show you everything that has been posted in every topic in the past day, and mark all of those topics as seen again. Or, you can replace the -1 with a -2 or -3, etc to have just the past 2 or 3 days postings displayed. Even using the option at the top of the main page for showing all acrivity in the past week will cut down on the amount of stuff that you will have to wait to be displayed just to get to the new stuff at the end. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 37 of 47: Anna (Anna) * Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (04:06) * 2 lines Joan; should that last /new be there? I use a similar url, but without the /new. viz; http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all/since/-1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 38 of 47: Kathleen Grant (Kaffeine) * Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (11:59) * 3 lines I've never been bit, but I always use the link that Joan posted. With the new on the end it means that if I read some topics, then come back later, the topics I've read won't show up again, because they are no longer new. With "all" I would still see a list of all the topics that had posts within the past day, regardless of whether I've already read them or not. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 39 of 47: Anna (Anna) * Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (20:43) * 1 lines Aha! thanks Kaffeine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 40 of 47: kathleen (elder) * Sun, Jan 19, 1997 (17:14) * 3 lines Old is new just hit me again (three times the charm!), but this time it only started at topic 77. Prior to that, I was only getting "new" items. [Hit time was about 5:40 p.m. est] I am going to start using Joan, too 's advice. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 41 of 47: kathleen (elder) * Sun, Jan 19, 1997 (17:14) * 3 lines Old is new just hit me again (three times the charm!), but this time it only started at topic 77. Prior to that, I was only getting "new" items. [Hit time was about 5:40 p.m. est] I am going to start using Joan, too 's advice. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 42 of 47: Anna (Anna) * Sun, Jan 19, 1997 (17:59) * 1 lines Is it likely that 'old-is-new' will only hit whilst one is using the 'new' option? I've been doing most of my reading using since/-1 without the new in the hope that while I am doing so I cannot be hit by the bug. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 43 of 47: Katy Kendall (kendall) * Sun, Jan 19, 1997 (20:38) * 7 lines 'I have a decent memory, I can tell by the most numbers if there are any new messages' that is a good memory!! I use the url: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all/since/-0/new to get a list of the topics that have been posted to in the last 24 hours. I increase "0" to "2" or "3" if I have been away or too busy to read and get the postings for the past few days. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 44 of 47: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Mon, Jan 20, 1997 (08:04) * 1 lines It may be a good idea to bookmark this! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 45 of 47: kathleen (elder) * Mon, Jan 20, 1997 (20:06) * 2 lines OK, here's the thing. Tonight (8:45 pm, est) I have been using the "since/-0/new" method to read the topics. And when I got to Topic 93, everything old was new again! All the other topics seem to be behaving, however, so I shan't get angry. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 46 of 47: Ann (Ann) * Sat, Jan 25, 1997 (10:18) * 7 lines I just got hit with a possible variation. (app. 10:05 Saturday Morning) I was going from topic 91 to 92, when the server was taking a long time to spit the info out. Eventually I got a Server Error message (server unable to process your request do to an error or misconfiguration). When I returned to topic 91, old-is-new struck with a vengence--every topic was hit. AAARRRGGGHHH!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 137 of 181 [austen]: "Old is New" explained! Response 47 of 47: Cheryl Sneed (Cheryl) * Sat, Jan 25, 1997 (16:12) * 2 lines Oh Ann!

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