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Good morning everyone! The next scheduled chat is at noon Austin time today (Sunday 12/29/96).

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I'm here on schedule. Is anyone here?

Guess not.

OK. You all went to NetMeeting! Meet here at 10!

Terry, I couldn't get CoolEdit. You said they had been having problems with their FTP? Kaff got it today, though. Why don't we try to keep tonight's discussion to the Children's story site. There are lots of other things we need to talk about -- like, you wanted me to remind you to get superuser status for Myretta -- but when you work this way, I think it is easier to tackle one thing at a time.

Questions about childrens story. Is it profit or non profit? Why do they want to accomplish. Any written goals or anything we could see to get an idea of what the aim is? Target ages?

I'm here!

Hi Kaff.

Let's hope we all end up in the same place this time! :)

Let's hope we all end up in the same place this time! :)

Children's story is profit. It's Jonathon Langley's site that he's prototyping for an IBM project.

I need to get a better handle on the TV-PC site. I guess it is content especially suited for set top boxes, supported by advertising? I need to go get a demo of a Magnovox unit or something so I can see what is able to be viewed on those things.

Supported by advertising. Prototpye funded by IBM. Excuse my ignorance. Johnathon is who?

You don't really need a set top box. But keep in mind the area is 512 pixesl I believe instead of the usual 640 wide.

No I don't want to buy one. But I would be curious to go see one in a store. See what regular web pages look like, and how this lower rez way of preparing grpahics helps the viewability.

Ah, smaller than usual - I guess because TVs are bigger, I was thinking the viewing area would be larger.

No it's smaller.

As to the Children's site: I am assuming that what you would want from Amy and I is to find public domain stories and illustrations, to create web pages using them, plus including realAudio readings of the stories. What browser/plug-ins are included on Web TV?

Terry, did you submit a proposal or anything? Or what more can you tell us about what they expect. Who it's for, etc.

I am looking at TVPC. The other sections are mostly links now. It doesn't look like there is much custom content, like the Childrens story section would be,

So this is in Austin. I am looking at the local page. Plans for expansion? What is IBM's involvement? Fill us in Terry!

What is Austen 360, Terry? Is it related or just linked?

I haven't looked at the TVPC page - I'll go check it out now.

And Matrix Solutions. That is Jonathon?

Austin 360 is the local newspapers site, I did some work on it in the early stages.

Jonathon is tvpc and childrens stories.

Matrix Solutions is a friend of his at IBM who did the java and frames after we did the basic content.

Okay, so right now it is mostly links, but custom stuff is being developed for the various sections, and you have contracted to do just the children's story section. Right?

Okay, it is beginning to come together. Forgive me, Terry, but I always like to know how big the picture is and where I fit in.

Correct. We're just doing that piece now. And we have Jonathon's machines connected to our T-1s at Prismnet and at Bastrop.

So the first need to to get more stories up. Any guidelines about target age. Like, could we do the Alice books? It is in public domain and there are illustrations available for it too. That could become important. The illustrations up now, are those custom drawings? Who did the proto design? Any idea why she is not continuing?

Prismnet. That is a new name.

I have written a little about etexts for Prodigy, so I know the sites and where to get the texts and a little about fair use.

See the topic in this conference about Prismnet. They supply access.spring.com, barton.spring.com and www.spring.com with T-1 access.

What kind of budget are we talking about? I assume we need a professional reader. That's why I thought of my actress friend, who would come cheap but not free.

There's also Project Gutenberg. Henry seems to have done a pretty good job with the Jane Austen texts.

Okay, on Prism. Terry, don't get annoyed with all my questions. I just like to know.

I also spoke to my friend and she would be interested as well. How many stories are we looking for?

Henry is great with text. Knows AWK. He might want to help but I doubt he would take on the project as a whole.

See the budget topic in this conference. If you need more than what is in the budget for a particular project, I have to go to the client with a new proposal, which I'll be happy to do. Jonathon is flexible as long as I don't bill him more than $600-$700 in a single billing. I have $750 coming from Texaltel for the prototype site (legislator).

Which is more urgent, Terry? IS either place starting to bug you to get going?

Jonathon hasn't said how many. He's looking for us to take this by the horns and provide him with guidance. There are a few hundred illustrations we can use that I ftped to the site from a CD that he gave me.

Both are about equal. I'd like to get them both done next week and bill out about $1,500, part of which has to go for paying Prismnet and Bastrop IS and the Internic.

What is the URL for the illustrations? Do you have any clue how much he expects per $750 hit?

The budget I put up in the topic is a tentative projection. Not a final statement. But it should be useful to get a better idea of the financing.

So the children's story thing is ongoing. Some stories this month you can bill for right away, then more later? How about the legislator's thing? A one-shot?

Terry, I guess Kaff and I need to talk and see how much time we have immediately and kind of figure out the steps and time involved. I can work on it this week. Have one writing assignment also but it is not all consuming, unless I let it become so, as I am wont to do. ; )

I'm going to slip into the shower for about 10-15 mins. Y'all carry on ok.

That sounds like a good idea. But I need something pretty soon on both sites. Figure out your compensation plan and try to fit it into the budgetary constraints. Look at the finance topic here in 'deeper'.

I'm off work until the 6th, and have plenty of free time. Re: The stories that have already been done - Would you allow some redesign?

So when you say he is looking for guidance, that means maybe there isn't a plan for target ages and such? Well, I guess my mom experience shall come in handy. Another easy way to get up some content would be to do a links page, as I think you mentioned. Actually Alilce in Wonderland is already in HTML, so maybe a way to get a jump start on the site would be to do the links page first. It seems that is the evolutionary pattern for the other sections. Has he had any luck attracting advertisers? Or is he waiting for more,/better content befor pitching it much?

The legislators thing will be ongoing. There will be about 200 or so websites generated along the line. Each new one will be cookie cuttered from the prototype. Perhaps we could set up a form that the legislators could fill in on the website and then we could copy it in to the webpages.

redesign would be good on what's been done to date.

Amy - If Terry's taking off for a few, would you like to move to the Solicitor's office - its a little easier to chat with.

Okay, Kaff should we sign off too and think about this?

He's waiting for more and better content but he wants to put up ads anyway to show the idea. We can give away some free ads for the time being.

Will you be up for a while? I need to check on my houseguest. I am being terribly neglectful.

Why not talk it up here then I could catch up when I get out of the shower.

I'll be back in a while. I don't know how late I'll be up. I have to get up early and go to work.

I am ready to go, Terry. Kaff can we say we'll have a rough plan by tomorrow night for this month's work on childrens story at least?

I'll be up. I have to admit, I think this will be fun - and I'm certain we can get some good content started in a week.

] I have to get up early and go to work. ___ It's going alright, though, Terry? How is going to the office everyday suiting you?

Yes. I'll probably stick around in Pemberley tonight. If you want to stop by we can move over the office.

You build the plan, I'll print it and run it by Jonathon's. Remember: look good on a tv use the gifs we have (several hundred) do at least a few samples of real aduio with much more projected. encorporate some ads.

Okay. We'll talk in 45 minutes or so. Then, Terry, we'll do another 3-way somewhere tomorrow night? What is a good time for you? 8/7?

That's a good time. Ten is ok too.

Be back in a bit...

"use the gifs we have (several hundred)" Can I alter them at all?

What's better for you tomorrow Kaff? I will catch up with you in the Drawing Room in a little bit.

Perhaps y'all could read the other topics and pose some questions or add some comments. And make some project topics for austen.com if you like!

You can alter them. They're at childrenstory. There's also http://www.spring.com/~child I think they're there too. I'll email Amy the password and set her up with su. be back in a bit... I'm gone for now.

Okay Terry, tomorrow night, then if not sooner. 8/7 or 11/10 either is okay for me just somebody let me know which. Gotta go.

Anytime in the evening is fine with me.

Okay - lets do 11/10 tomorrow night. See you here!

Here, I will just tidy up the conference table here while I wair for you too. Nobody here drinks decaf, do they? Would that not be insupportable?

Decaf Diet Pepsi, please. :)

Questions I did not put in our little plan: Where is the RealAudio server? Got us on root status now? Okay to use images other than the gifs in the directory here? Kaff, it seems like there was something else.

Oh Kaff. No Jolt?

Only if he needs this completed by tomorrow morning! [G]

Terry! Terry? Are you in NetMeeting?

No sign of Terry yet? Perhaps we should e-mail him?

5 more minutes, Kaff? Terry if we take off, maybe you can just comment on the plan in email to both of us.

I'm here.

I sent one about 5 minutes ago.

Hi Terry.

Hi Amy and Kaff. Who all's here?

Just us again, Terry. We want to get all nailed down on the childrenstory thing first. Myretta has some questions about root and Yapp. We might want to arrange to do that tomorrow if you will be available.

Hi Terry! Its just the three of us, I believe.

Terry, you got my mail proposing what we want to do as initial steps?

I haven't read my mail tonight. Right now I'm exhausted.

Let's do this another time, then. We really just wanted reaction to that and a go ahead. Can't think when you are tired.

I really enjoyed visiting kaf's web sites, esp. the Antonio Banderas one. That was nice! No it's ok... I'm going to drink some caffiene.

er, caffeine.

Okay. I''ll go make a pot too. 5 minutes?

I'm reading your email.

Thanks Terry! Amy's got the Jolt...

My mail is loading in now in another window.

Now how did I do that? Response to number 2? Interesting huh?

I don't see your email. Just the two about chown problems.

Will this say response to 99?

I typed r 101 at the ok prompt and this is what happens. Interesting new trick.

Amy can you resend it? kaf are you still here?

I don't understand r. Dave mentioned it can be done at the prompt, but I don't get how it works. Did he ever say if he would be able to incorporate it -- however it works --- into the new web version? I will resend the plan, Terry.

I'm still here...

Sent

I'm at the shell in unix. I just put you and myretta into the right group like I told you in my email today. Did you find the ra files (realaudio)?

Yes, but I have to play around with them more -- all I could hear was static when I tried to play them locally. I wonder if they need to be unencoded or something? I have to get way more up on sound. Got Cool Edit and it records pretty well.

] you and myretta into the right group __ Kaff, too. Terry. If you please.

Did you send it to: mailto://terry@spring.com ?

I'll add kaf now.

Terry did you see my note on Myretta's other request -- that she needs the cfadm PW too?

Go ahead and give it to her. That's ok.

] I'll add kaf now. ___ Thanks!

Oh. the PW you gave me for Yapp will give her that privilege. I took at look at the stuff that can be done in a browser -- all pretty global things. All the conference specific stuff must be done in UnIX apparently. But, Terry. Can we settle on the childrenstory stuff since it is getting so late?

Amy, have you made any changes to it? If not, I could try to send it.

I'm still waiting for that email. Can you post it in the topic for that in this conference or resend the email?

The best process would be to do somehting small at first to show the direction you're doing. I talked to Jonathon today. I'd like to see what you're proposing but it's not in my email yet.

Kaff, maybe you should try. I can log off and try my other account too. Sorry. My mailer says it has gone twice.

Willem Dafoe is on Jay Leno right now talking about the English Patient.

Terry - I just tried sending it.

They're showing clips now of the English Patient.

Terry - Have you received my e-mail?

It's here now an dI'm reading it.

It looks good. I hope you can do it in an evolutionary way, I'd like to do a billing at the end of this week and get this phase over.

I just sent it again too.

I don't know why not. Kaff is off work. And I have only part of one small writing assignment to do this week. Terry, must we use the illustrations in the dir here? Is teh RA server on this machine?

I'll go look and find out, just a minute.

barton:/usr/local/realaudio ls -rlt total 2 drwxr-xr-x 6 terry realaudio 512 Apr 1 1996 pnserver -rw-r--r-- 1 root realaudio 134 Nov 3 10:03 permset.txt barton:/usr/local/realaudio But we can easily ftp a copy over to www. And we'll have a 2.6 gb on the new machine that Matt is working on. We run the ra files off of any of those machines. Access would be good because it will have a lot of disk space.

Look at what?

It's in pnserver. barton:/usr/local/realaudio/pnserver ls -rlt total 7 drwxr-xr-x 4 terry realaudio 512 Mar 19 1996 rafiles drwxr-xr-x 5 terry realaudio 512 Apr 11 1996 bin drwxr-xr-x 2 terry realaudio 512 Apr 12 1996 doc -rw-r--r-- 1 terry realaudio 1247 Apr 26 1996 readme.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 terry realaudio 931 Nov 10 03:58 server.cfg drwxr-xr-x 2 terry realaudio 512 Nov 10 03:59 logs barton:/usr/local/realaudio/pnserver

What other questions do we have, Kaff.

There are detailed directions at http://www.realaudio.com about how these ra fileservers work.

The actual data files are at childrenstory.com Have y'all looked at this?

] Have y'all looked at this? ____ Yes I have peeked around.

Just need to do the RA research...Other than that, I'd say we are ready to get started. I've been reading through fairy tales - and I'd forgotten just how offensive some of them can be! Selecting the stories is going to be interesting.

Eventually, I'd like to see this site teach kids how to read. There's a buy on the WELL who has offered some web based software for this and he's got years of research into to this with Realaudio and childrens stories on the web. At some point, I'd like to see him come in to the process. Did y'all catch the news about Forrests megadeal? About the Stroud site being acquired?

But! Peeking around time is over. We start in earnest tomorrow. We better let you get to sleep, Terry. You have to be at work tomorrow?

a "guy" not a "buy" in my above post.

I have two days off, I'll be available. Gosh, you're going to have to fly down to Austin at some point!

The project has many redeeming aspects. I would like pointers to RA and reading and kids.

And my caf is kicking in.

"Peeking around time is over. We start in earnest tomorrow." Agreed. The stories are the priority, and the RA research can be done on my own time.

At least y'all have the right permissions and allnow and can be masters of your own destiny, and austen's and the Springs. This project is also paying for the austen domain registration, which I will be sending off next week.

Amy have you "privatized" this place by allowing only the necessary folks, in other words, did you edit the ulist?

Kaf, I loved your Banderas site!

Thanks, Terry! I just got a note from a journalist today who's going to mention in on TNT's Roughcut! Big time, here I come! [G]

What about doing a site for Texaltel?

No, I have not done the ulist yet, but I will tomorrow. That way the committees can start talking in here. I think it will work better than email. Many of the members are still off on holiday, so we can't resolve on some things but we can begin talking again. I think I may have talked Joan into moderating the divergences of opinion about the austen.com front page.

Do you have a domain name for Texatel yet? Anything been created for it?

I am up for that too, Terry, but can we see how the childrenstory thing goes and look at the other one next week? I read the proposal. It looks like that might be a nice little regular income stream for the Spring.

I am sorry, guys. I am fading. Talk tomorrow?

They don't want a domain name yet. I need to get just a simple one page prototype up for them. We can just make it up. They don't have any real politicians yet. It would be much easier to knock out quickly for about the same return as childrens story.

"divergences of opinion" Naw, that couldn't happen! [G] Really, though, this is a tough way to chat. A restricted chat room would be nice. I have a script for a nice one, but it only uses frames, leaving those with older browsers in the dust. (Its kind of like the one you found, Terry)

Sure shall we set up a time?

When does Texatel expect the prototype?

Very, very soon. They want something now.

Let me check with Myretta. She is the main one for Yapp and the so called Unix team. Joan still needs some convincing, so we should do the austen.com talk later. Please forgive me. I must away.

Okay. Soon. Night.

Look at the timetable laid out at http://www.spring.com/~texaltel for an idea. But they want this now. Getting this job has messed me up for carrying through on these jobs. But I'd like to see us evolve as a cohesive unit who can tackle these, and other, jobs to support ourselves and this place.

Schedule for our next chat meeting?

How about we meet at noon tomorrow CST. It's 11:43 here now. So in 12 hours?

Terry, I will put full steam on childrenstory over the next two days and try to turn my attention to the other site this weekend if possible. Okay. Now it is really god night. Talk tomorrow for sure, Kaff. Probably to you, too Terry. Sweet dreams.

Terry - I think that we could figure out something on the Texatel page. Let me discuss it with Amy. Obviously, tomorrow night won't work to meet - How about we meet here on Wed the 1st at about 12/1pm? We can discuss the progress on the story site and our ideas for the Texatel one.

OK. If nothing else, let's touch base briefly every day here at noon and 10 pm ok? Can that be our daily schedule? We don't have to do a marathon every time. Just meet quickly and make sure we're on the right track. And sometimes we can get into depth if we have time. Is that ok?

Good night, y'all. Thanks!

Terry - I'll be here at 12/1pm tomorrow, but I'll be out on the town for the evening one. See you tomorrow!

See you all at noon. Perhaps Myretta could join us?

yeah, I'll probably be out on the town tomorrow night, come to think of it.

I will not be here at noon as scheduled. Matt wants me to pick up the new server in Austin. So I'm leaving in five minutes. I'll be putting access.spring.com online later today, hopefully, and we'll have another webserver machine with a lot of space on it (2.6 gb). I suggest you proceed on both childrenstory *and* the political website. We need something, even if it's a small step, on both fronts so I can keep these clients happy. And we need a plan of action with some deadlines in place. I'll check back in here when I get back from Austin and read your comments. Go ahead and meet without me.

That works out well, as a friend just stopped by. I'll just give you a brief rundown on what I'm doing. I've chosen a Grimm's Fairy Tale - Snow White and Rose Red (I wanted to do THE LITTLE PRINCE, but haven't found it yet - maybe next time). I'm going to do it in a multi-page format, which will allow for more illustrations, which IMHO are the heart of children's literature. Terry, you may want to check out ArtToday http://www.arttoday.com They have about 550,000 royalty-free images, including a large childrens book area. If I don't see you guys today, I'll check in here tomorrow at 12/1pm. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Happy New Year, see you tomorrow at noon CST. access.spring.com is up and running! I'll get you all set with accounts. How is it coming along Amy?

I'm around right now. If you ever want me to come up here just give me a "one ringer" on my phone 512.303.4000. I'll know that's a signal to get online.

"one ringer" ___ Great idea. Mine's 812-331-0096. If 331-1896 is busy I am probably online. Back later. I will be up for a while.

Okay! 810-356-0517 and if 356-0317 is busy I'm online.

I'm here.

Amy, you just paged me. What's up?

Sorry, Terry. I got called away.

Terry - Thanks for the response to my e-mail. Amy - I asked Terry for the location of childrenstory.com. They are in /var/webdocs or /var/www/webdocs/childrenstory.com

Has anyone given any thought to the politics page. This is increasing in importance.

I can work on it this weekend, Terry.

Terry - I've been giving Texaltel some thought as well, and my first need is images. I assume that the Texas legislature has some sort of official seal or logo, which we would want on the page. Any thoughts?

Why not do a search for the Texas Legislature. I'll do one now. Texas Legislature Online Next Scheduled Session. Senate: January 14, 1997 - Noon �������� House: January 14, 1997 - Noon. The Texas Senate.. http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/ - size 5K - 3 Dec 96 Please, excuse the mess as we bring this site up. Stay tuned for new and exciting features, like a discussion forum about the State Platform and links to.. http://www.jcrp.org/stategov.htm - size 3K - 19 Jun 96 Who's running for the Legislature. Voter Info. Political Parties. Whole Texan Ballot. Central Texas candidates in Texas vying for the Texas Senate and the. http://www.austin360.com/news/election/candleg.htm - size 5K - 8 Dec 96 Women Members of the Texas Legislature. 75th Legislature - 1997-1999. House of Representatives. Norma Chavez, El Paso Debra Danburg, Houston Diana Davila,. http://www.lrl.state.tx.us/lrl/women.htm - size 16K - 25 Nov 96 Texas Legislature Online - The Legislative Process in Texas - Introduction THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS IN TEXAS. BASIC LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. Return of a Bill to the Originating Chamber--Action on Amendments. After a bill has passed... http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/capitol/legproc/retbill.htm - size 2K - 21 Nov 96 You an pull some stuff from here. This is not going to be a public site, it will only be a prototype for Texaltel to look at. Sherry wants something ready by Monday to look at. Read the contract. Let's work together this weekend.. I'll be here solid all weekend.

Terry, Kaff found a seal. I will get the sample page together. Will be out from 2 to 8 pm tomorrow but at the computer the rest of the weekend. We will have something to show for Monday.

Great, I'll be here pretty solid this weekend. Let's bounce off each other a lot and give this conference a workout. I hope the Texas Legislative site is useful.

Terry - This has nothing to do with anything, but do you have a usenet feed on spring.com? I ask because my ISP's feed seems to miss about 50% of the posts, and its starting to drive me crazy. I thought that maybe I could try yours, if you have one.

We can get one pretty easily. Prismnet and bastrop.net both have them.

No, don't worry about it - you've got enough going on right now. If you already had it - great, if not - no big deal!

The old-is-new bug just bit me for the first time in weeks. It's probably because I exited this conference prematurely the last time I visited here.