Colin Firth - Darcy Drool (cont. from 68)

...and I guess that would be me. Before our comments were consigned to LimboLand, we had just started a discussion on that spot on your tape that is worn so thin you're afraid it will break next time you freeze frame. For me it was the look at Lizzy after the bath. For others it was that LOOK and the kiss. Anyone care to continue this discussion and also tell us why your tape is so thin there?

Technical difficulty;-) is that what she's called now:) hee hee. Sorry,had to do it the devil made me actually!

Well, there can't be too much Darcy drooling in my book. Glad to see our man FD merits two topics! Actually I have already given my opinions on the moments with greatest freeze frame potential but I had to see if my lap top would cooperate and let me post. I am drooling from afar in Singapore tonight but am still keeping up with your lively discussions. Ain't technology grand?

Is this the look?

Oooh, sweetie, sweetie, sweetie, you got it. And my tape looks even grainier at this spot than this photo. This is Darcy unmasked...confusion, curiousity, longing. I like this from the essay, Mr. Darcy's Body: Privileging the Female Gaze by Lisa Hopkins in the book Jane Austen Goes to the Movies - "Once again, he looks at her, and we look at him."

"Once again, he looks at her, and we look at him." ] Yah, we always look at him! Cool photo, Karen. But what about the one right before the valet puts the robe on him:) hee hee. Darcy in full glory. (well almost)

Mine is the Netherfield Ball dance . . . .I could watch that dance 1000 times and not get enough (slurp!!) I have watched it a thousand times! You all are doing a mighty fine job here. Sorry I don't post very often. For Nat, I shall try to continue the "First Time," though I think I have lost my momentum . . . Have not looked at either one for quite a while. Nice to be able to lurk every now and then!!

yeah, stefanie and you have a french little picnic you have to attend to as well:) We have not forgotten Summer Masquerade Ball:)

Please Stefanie, we have been v.v. patient!

I love the look he has when he returns to the music room after everyone has gone to bed at Pemberley. He is beautiful here, the look of love and rememberance on his face as he recalls the look they exchamged makes me melt and run off under the coffee table.

My tape starts running thin....as Lizzie and the Gardiners are approaching Pemberley in the carriage...they cross over the bridge (full symbollism...she is crossing over to his lifestyle etc.) and the look on her face as she gazes at Pemberley for the first time is charming...then of course the rest of the Pemberley event develops..walking up the stairs together...when D. asks Lizzie to meet his sister..."Am I asking too much of you....." Sigh, sigh.

I've been "lurking" and reading for ages and finally figured out how this thing works! I'd have to agree with Stefanie for favorite moments...the Netherfield Ball, when their hands first touch 8)

Definitely the Netherfield Ball. .....and the quiet dark walk of remembrance to the music room after all are gone.....and most especially at the Lambton Inn when he rises to greet her. That look in his eyes!!! Welcome back Stefanie! It is lonely without you!!!

(Andrea)I've been "lurking" and reading for ages and finally figured out how this thing works Welcome Andrea, Glad to have you join us. Now that you figured out the procedure,I hope you go to #98 and join us in the discussion of DUTCH GIRLS starting Nov. 22nd. The more , the merrier ;-)

Oooh, Dutch Girls?! I have not seen that yet, though I think I have it. I am here to invite all you lurking Darcyians over to 113 to claim and exclaim over your Keepsake. Please!!!

Welcome, Andrea. So glad you figured out how to post. Now if you could only figure out why we're so mired in this Darcy drool. A most pleasing diversion though. I agree that the electricity is felt by more than just E&D when their hands first touch at the Netherfield ball. I just thought of another spot on my tape that's in danger of breaking...and Darcy's not even in it. Love when Lizzy tells her father "I love him" when she explains her feelings toward Darcy. Giving all due credit to Davies for honoring JA's portrayal of Elizabeth's restrained proposal acceptance, wouldn't you have loved to hear her tell Darcy she loved him?

Oops! Forgot another favorite (true, these could go on indefinitely)! Just after Elizabeth reads Jane's letter and Darcy arrives. There's that brief moment when he helps her sit down, asks about calling a doctor...meanwhile he's holding her hand, just for a moment. I don't know how proper this would be in this time period , but I love it and my tape will wear thin catching that moment!

Love that walk down the dark hallway after all have gone to bed. He tries to supress smiles so charmingly...he is just too cute!!! That walk and the stare he gives Lizzie as he sees her coming into the room at the Lambton Inn as he awaits the introduction of her to his sister. That look beggars all wordsw, but it gets me right there! My tape is not thin there, but that part where Lizzie tells her father how much she loves him is her prettiest and most exalted moment. Surpasses all of her other scenes by miles.

Sheesh...sorry about repeating myself. At least I'm consistent!!!

(Andrea)There's that brief moment when he helps her sit down, asks about calling a doctor...meanwhile he's holding her hand, just for a moment. Known as "The Hand-Fondling Scene"....my fave too, Andrea. (You know, he just wants to put his arms around her.)

Me too!! Me too!!!!!

At the risk of adding a February 7, 2036 date here (it's infecting the other topics!), another thin spot I recall - I'm forever trying to freezeframe my tape at the spot where Darcy & Elizabeth are in the same shot as she walks by him wearing that little smirk after she's heard him "dissing" her at the Assembly. That moment where both their expressions are seen at once is so elusive. I also like to get both of them in the same shot when he is handing her into the carriage at Pemberley but that's a littl easier. Yes, Marcia, love the walk down the hallway at Pemberley even if my mother insists on saying he walks like a farmer(!!). Such a satisfied expression on his pretty mouth. Forgive me but another thought just came to me too. I also like at the Inn at Lambton when Darcy bows as he leaves E & Georgiana alone to fetch Bingley. He turns away but don't you think Elizabeth watches after him just a second too long before turning her attentions back to G.?

(Heide)Re: Inn at Lambton when D. leaves to fetch Bingley. He turns away but don't you think Elizabeth watches after him just a second too long before turning her attentions back to G.? I've noticed that too, Heide.Ever so subtle, Lizzie's juices are certainly starting to flow!

Ummmm,Indeed she does. And then rather disinterestedly she turns back to Bingley who seems to have lost the knack of small talk at an awkward moment. Each mind longs to be somewhere else!

Yeah!! Kisses to Terry (or William or whomever) who got rid of the Feb 7, 2036 date. I've been thinking of this scene we've been discussing at the Inn. All these subtle glances and looks of longing. Sigh. Marcia says: That walk and the stare he gives Lizzie as he sees her coming into the room at the Lambton Inn as he awaits the introduction of her to his sister. and Evelyn and Marcia agree with me about that longer than necessary glance Lizzy gives Darcy as he leaves the room (sorry, Marcia, but do you mean Georgiana instead of Bingley? or else we're talking about a different moment). Here's another - same scene - right after Darcy jumps up and greets Elizabeth and he says "not at all" (I think) when Elizabeth hopes he has not been waiting long. Doesn't it look as if he's forgotten why he's come? Georgiana is standing behind him but he's just drinking in Elizabeth. It's almost as if he shakes himself out of his reverie to remember the purpose of his call.

Oh, yes, Right you are! She (Lizzie) is slow on the uptake with whomever she is discoursing. I guess Bingley has his awkwardness later when Georgiana whispers to Darcy about the next evening's dinner.

... but he's just drinking in Elizabeth.... (Read:...he wants to rip the clothes off her.)

(Heide)... but he's just drinking in Elizabeth.... (Evelyn)(Read:...he wants to rip the clothes off her.) LOL!!! Only you, Evelyn!

Heide: I think I have figured this out after two hours today. I can't wait to chat with all of Darcy's admirers.

Join us, Rita, as we acknowledge all of the places Darcy feels the urgent necessity to share his DNA and other things lustful and wonderful about this man. Yup, Evelyn, You have it exactly right from what I can see in those chocolate pools of his!

Glad you perservered, Rita. It does get easier - bookmark it! Unfortunately, anyone or no one might be logged in the same time as you so chats are rather random but we welcome your insights anytime any-Darcy-where. Or Colin-where too if you're into him too. (hope so;))

Heide: Yes, I do adore COlin. I love him as Darcy but, I knew him before and I loved him in Valmont. That is where I first encountered his acting abilities. One of my favorite scenes in P & P is when he says"WHAT" tp Caroline. I love that. I would want to address her that way even if it is rude. There are so many scenes you must adores then all. I'm sure we all have favorites. I am so glad I found other people to talk to about this. I have begun to think I am crazy.

Hallo Rita! The WHAT scene is fantastic acting, isn't it? Just one word...I don't know that many people could say it in just that shade of absent-mindedness :-)

Since this one appears to be working thought I'd post here (better here than no where). Was wondering why Colin left town so quickly. Only reasons I came up with were: 1) Stores were already too crowded to do Christmas shopping. 2) Checked the TV Guide and noticed that for the next week everything is either a rerun or football (not his kind). 3) Wanted to avoid one of the busiest days at the airports. 4) Transit pass expired. 5) Nothing good left in minibar. I'm sure you all can do better!!

That "Wot?" Darcy aims so sharply at Caroline is the first sign of incivility he has shown toward a most unctuously nauseating woman. It is full of comtempt, and I rejoice in it. Before that, I was afraid he did not have the uh.... stuff... to make such a retort!

Photo courtesy of our hostess. Be glad I didn't scan in one of the others, but I still might ;-)

What a picture. What a place! I wanna' go there.....right NoW!

Let's all go to Pemberley. Why did Colin leave so quickly? 1. Found out P&P was being shown this weekend. 2. The Monica Lewinsky tapes were all sold out. 3. Too much sunshine - missed London's rain. Others?

4. Couldn't miss mama Lucia's birthday 5. Joining Arsenal at the stadium with brother for the UEFA cup match today 6. Cat accidentally dies 7. Helping Helen with this weeks BJD

8. His Internet connection was so bad he could not keep up with the postings on Spring!

9 It's the first time he's been separated from his wife 10 He's starting a new JOB!

11. Was afraid of being hit on the head with a balloon at the Macy's parade. 12. Hates turkey and it's subversive to eat anything but T. in the US on T'sgiving.

13. He is allergic to Cranberry Sauce, and today, *Everything* came with Cranberry Sauce.

10. He's starting a new JOB! A *winner*!!!! Let's hope.

11. Livia phoned to say water broke and he better get home NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (okay really bad!)

11. Livia phoned to say water broke and he better get home NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think that is bad! Could be close to the truth. I hope so anyway. I like the idea of CF as a Daddy again. (also would mean he would have to work harder to keep his family, so we would see more of him!)

Whoops! Got the end tag wrong. Hope this works Testing.

To accompany Evelyn's writeup of her visit to Main Street Meryton!

14. He was afraid that GP would get laryngitis and Harvey would make him go on The Tonight Show.

15. He realised I was in Boston and had to go get his brother and bring him to Boston. Because he loved my When Fitzy met Lizzy story so much, that they had to meet me! (And JF falls madly passionately in love with me, etceteras...;))

14 ....LOL Evelyn! Harvey will twist his arm one day though! And he's the Boss!

Well, ladies I have P&P on while I'm typing and have once again fallen under the spell of F.D. (and C.F. impossible for me to separate the two!) Good God that man gives me the squinges. Probably why he beat a hasty retreat out of town - terrified that Darcy fever would overtake American women in earnest. Hmm, if he were still in NY I might be heading for the airport right now ;-)

Forgot to say welcome to Rita! Thanks for joining and please come and play often. (Karen) Photo courtesy of our hostess. Be glad I didn't scan in one of the others, but I still might ;-) Oh Karen, please do. I have seen them and they are charming. I'm ducking so that our great hostess cannot smack me :-)

Did you notice that his was the only name used at each break? Starring Colin Firth. Starring Colin Firth. Starring Colin Firth. (I could listen to that for hours, shoot I just did.) Poor Evelyn, not one mention of Jenn. But you're right, Miramax/Disney, which owns A&E, is using this to bring his name to the American public's mind for the gonzo opening of Shakespeare in Love. Also, promoting the boxed set for Christmas gifts.

(I can do better than buildings, Jana ;-D)

The "Look"

Sigh, sigh, sigh. I just can't get enough. When is this ever going to wear off? I too just spent 6 hours in front of the TV absolutely glued (except fo those pesky Wickham parts). Have you ladies in England watched Fever Pitch tonight? That was tonight, right? Boy, I envy you.

Not being able to fast forward the usual scenes, I found I enjoyed watching it all! You're right Heide, we are hooked aren't we?

Oh my gosh!!Another day of this terrible addiction. I loved P & P 2 and had to tape it even though Ihave the box set. I did have to remove all the commercials. Just when I thought I was going to be able to have a day with out Darcy. Love those pictures someone sure does know how to tease. Rita

Karen) Photo courtesy of our hostess. Be glad I didn't scan in one of the others, but I still might ;-) I have them too, and they deserve to be seen. Also Heide, please tell us about your day at Pemberley. Does Lyme Park have a website? A telephone number? There must be an easier way to get there than "on foot". Karen, your scanning skills are excellent. Bill Gates couldn't do better. (Bethan)Harvey will twist his arm one day though! And he's the Boss! Harvey is tough. And he'll twist more than his arm if Colin doesn't stop that coy stuff when it comes to publicity.Publicity translates into $$$$.

Harvey is tough I read somewhere that he can make grown men cry! Miramax invested nearly $8million in MLSF (not a huge Hollywood sum admittedly, but still a lotta money) and I think Colin will have to do what Harvey wants! BTW, I did watch FP (b&w TV in the kitchen!). My younger son retreated to his bedroom and watched it there (we seem to be a family of solitary viewers!), and really enjoyed it.

Miss Bennet?

Oh, delightful, Laura. I can't get enough of that wet shirt. And I was there!! And I walked around that lake and I climbed those stairs and I walked along that path. But I wasted my time in the house though it was cute to see the comments written in the guestbook "Loved it but where was Mr. Darcy?" "Kept expecting Mr. Darcy to come around the corner". And of course the elderly ticket taker instructing my pal Debbie and me how to get into the house - "There by the stairs where Mr. Darcy came down." If I'd ever go back (and I would, I would), I'd definitely do the "Pemberley Trail" first. Please believe me, though -it's not commercial in any way and the P&P references are very few and far between. By the way, when I told Debbie her picture was up, she said she wanted a phot credit so here's that photo credit: photo by Deb

Heide: Lucky you. I can't believe that you were there. Hopefully, I am going this summer . I have English friends. I really want to see Pemberley but, I don't know if there will be time. I am trying to convince myself to stay a fortnight. Rita P. S. I am so jealous

Rita, my dear, you must make time. Though if your base is London you'll have to reserve a whole day for it. If you go, get in touch with me. I'll tell you how to get there. It was very easy (yes, Evelyn, even on foot). Just walking around that lake and viewing the house from the other side made me gasp just like Lizzy did.

Heide: "ON Foot" Yes, as you see" , Does this remind you of anything. SIGN**** You know from the other board they say he is in town. *sigh***. Of course, you know that I will think he will be a Pemb. Yes, London will be the base. I am debating in how long to stay. I hear from my friends that t is so beautful. They are big fans also. They just saw Fever Pitch the other night. Rita

Ooh, then you'll have to go to the Arsenal stadium. I know it's sick but I just had to check that out too. Well I don't get to London very often. (Sorry for putting that on the Darcy Drool board - maybe we should have a Paul Ashworth one too ;-)). Back to Darcy - when I was watching it on A&E on Sunday, there was very little new I noticed but I was reminded again of moments I love. For instance, after Mr. Collins accosts Darcy at the ball and Darcy removes himself and goes to the Bingley sisters....I love that look of disdain he wears. Don't you wish we knew what he muttered to Caroline? And the expressions on the Netherfield people when Mary starts to sing. They all look as if they've been assaulted. Also love the looks everyone gives Mr. Hurst when he asks through his mouthful of food if there will be any sport today. And doesn't your heart break when Darcy prepares to leave Lizzy after being turned down for her hand. Aften listening to the listing of his faults, he ays, "You have said quite enough, madam. I perfectly comprehend your feelings" (gives a little smile - sob) "and now have only to be ashamed of what my own have been." I am still amazed that this very difficult scene was one of the first he had to film. So masterful.

Sorry for the phantom posts! Just lurking I must have hit the wrong key.

I cannot believe that A&E's presentation of P&P2 has caused no new drool for Darcy. What is happening to the women of the world? Too busy in pursuit of the almighty (put your local currency here)? Too many children to tend? Would it be slavish attention to husband that is using your libido leaving nothing for Darcy? Something serious is amiss with the women out there if this is the case.

Not, I hasten to add, that I mind the regulars who are such expert droolers. I just thought there might be some new local flooding going unacknowledged, and fan that I am, I want to wade into it, too!!!!

Ah, nah, too busy flogging, actually;) hee hee, I am a bad girl!

From the lady who named her Keepsake "Whipper" that is to be expected =P

From the lady who named her Keepsake "Whipper" that is to be expected =P [ You know me so well;)

They're out there, Marcia, I'm sure of it. It takes a little while to gather up the nerve to post at Drool. It took me several months. I think we'll see some new names pretty soon. The question is, will they stick around?

Heide, we must make it interesting enough to pique their curiosity, then challenge them enough that they post an opinion. Any ideas out there? I first posted when the old mainline Board threatened to collapse due to the old guard having drooled themselves temporarily dry, and the rest of us were just lurking. Do not worry about phantom postings. Just say Hi and we will encourage you. We need the fresh insights to reinvigorate our salivary glands and whatever else...=)

BTW, I did not think my little writing about the Billiard Shot was so bad that it would close down 113. That is not a good sign to a beginning writer =P

OK... Maybe this question will get people to post: Besides the obvious "The Look" scene (for newcomers-- when Lizzy plays the pianoforte at Pemberley, and Darcy drools over her) and "The Kiss" (very last P&P2 scene)... which scene would you most likely be reincarnated into, which character would you be, and why? This is a tough one, but for now, I'd go with: -Wickham flashback scene, when Darcy finds the two at Ramsgate and banishes Wickham. -I'd be Georgiana -I love that embrace--- though brotherly, it's the closest anyone gets to him besides the kiss.

Okay WInter: I would have loved to been Lizzy when she saw him get out of that pond. Believe me, I probably could not quit starring. I probably would have made a fool of myslef but, him in that wet shirt. Oh my!!!! P. S. My real firends don't get this either. In fact, it has made them sick for years. They just don't get it and can't understand that there is a wahole group of us. After your conquest last week I was in awe for many days.

I would do the dance at Netherfield, that first step, the hands, his intense stare...even if we do not get on at all, I'll find the experience quite rewarding.

I'd be Lizzie in the Rosings piano scene... the first time he looks vulnerable and earnest.

I'd be Lizzie when the fact that her "opinion had become quite the opposite"...and watch the actuality of that splendid news sweep across his face. My favorite hug is the one he gave Georgiana after he had brought her home and had paid off Wickham. That was so close and tender...and lots fewer clothes between them =P

That was so close and tender...and lots fewer clothes between them =P Tsk, Tsk, Tsk Marcia! You naughty girl... Where is your mind? Obviously, it's where MY mind should be... Good point, I hadn't thought of that! ;-)

My favorite is the second scene at the Inn at Lambton. The one where he is comforting her on the news of Lydia and Wickham. He came to the inn to see her wearing that exquisite green waistcoat...and is so in love. She is in love too...but doesn't quite realize it. It's all so subtle...and underacted. Love the way he fondles her hand too :-)

(Winter)Tsk, Tsk, Tsk Marcia! You naughty girl... Where is your mind? Oh, the joys and perils of archives. You have not been here long enough to remember that I was the Button Snipper who collected buttons from each of his garments as Keepsakes (with his active participation, of course)...=)

I just thought of another scene. The one where she happens upon him outside Netherfield. Where he says "On foot". Oh he looks too cute. If I was Lizzy I would have wanted him to escort me anywhere but, not to Jane at that time. DIrty shoes and all.

Rita, I see we think alike on these things. Alas, if WE had been confronted by such a cute Darcy we would have capitulated straight away. Then he would not have had to go through the refining process which made him a much better husband for Lizzie. Of course, we would have ended up with egotistical churls, but that is the nature of the male beast, and somehow we must love them in spite of this. We all know that No man would change like Darcy did for Lizzie, I think! But, it is a wonderful fantasy!

Marcia, I beg to disagree! One, I would not take Darcy before his change - or at least I wouldn't take him for more than one night he he ;-) Second, count me lucky, someone has changed a lot for me =-)

What about being Lady Caroline when he has that outburst in the Drawing room at Pemberly. He talks of Lizzie being "one of the handsomest women of my accquaintance" That would have been some passion to witness, all errupting brooding and longing (Well you have already done all the best ones!!)

(Lizza) (Well you have already done all the best ones!!) How about the scene of them walking through the woods at Pemberly...when he asks her permission to introduce his sister.."Would I be asking too much...." The one in those tight pants... That one hasn't been taken yet....

(Gi)One, I would not take Darcy before his change - or at least I wouldn't take him for more than one night he he ;-) I love this answer!!! And you are indeed a special lady to warrant a gentleman who is willing to change for you. I never thought it was possible for a long-time husband to change, but I am most fortunate to have one who wants only to please me, now. It is Very Special!

Gi: count me lucky, someone has changed a lot for me =-) You indeed, are lucky! Hang onto that man! It's a rarity to see men make changes for the women in their lives...it usually goes the other way around. But at least, seeing your case, there's still hope for !

Gi: count me lucky, someone has changed a lot for me =-) You indeed, are lucky! Hang onto that man! It's a rarity to see men make changes for the women in their lives...it usually goes the other way around. But at least, seeing your case, there's still hope!

YIKES! What happened? Sorry...

Another scene with Darcy: When he says "WOT" to MIss BIngley. I love that part. I wish that Lizzy could have been there to hear that. I love the look on the other sisters face. A great scene. Winter: You are so right. WOmen usually change for the men :(. This truly is a man world but, imagine during Lizzy's time. Oh I don't think I would have made a very good wife. My mouth tends to carried away at times. Like Lizzy's.

Thank you for confirming what I have known to be true about men. I guess it is left over from the cave-man days. No wonder JA never married....she could not find a real-life Darcy!

(MarciaH) I never thought it was possible for a long-time husband to change, but I am most fortunate to have one who wants only to please me, now. It is Very Special! Indeed! I'm glad for you, my dear. (MarciaH)you are indeed a special lady Thank you, but you see, it really doesn't count... I've been myself for 42 years and nobody else has changed for my sake before ;-)So I guess he's the special person. (Winter) Hang onto that man! I intend to marry him next summer :-)

(Winter) Hang onto that man! (Gi)I intend to marry him next summer :-) WOW! A wedding.....Cool. Is this a first on Drool? Promise, Gi, you won't desert us after you become Mrs....

hurray! Gi's getting married! We can hold an on-line wedding shower for you! And... we can bring on a male dancer/stripper for you too... perhaps in the form of a certain... Mr Darcy?!

Congrats to you GI. I hope that you get a real life Darcy. I know some firneds that husbands come pretty close to that....A male stripper in the form of Darcy WOOOOOO!!! That would be too much. Rita

Newcomer! I would like to be Lizzy in the scene at Lambton. As soon as Darcy would stop me from leaving, I would fall into his arms... weak-knees and all. Changing the whole scene. Just to have him hold me!

Congratulations Gi. Such happy news. (Winter) an on-line wedding shower for you! This could be interesting....hmmmm.... And... we can bring on a male dancer/stripper for you too... perhaps in the form of a certain... Mr Darcy?! Tut, tut, tut, ladies, some decorum. He is a fictional character...but Wickham would be more likely to oblige.... Nice to see you joining us here, Danielle. Welcome!! :-)

Welcome Danielle...we love newcomers.They always give us a fresh perspective. However, I think I already picked that scene at the Inn at Lambton ...the Hand Fondling scene. But if you really insist, I'll take the one where she's walking up the stairs and through the woods at Pemberley when he asks permission to introduce his sister....(sigh) .A male stripper in the form of Darcy WOOOOOO!!! That would be too much. And I know just the picture we could use....I bet Nan could fix it up!!

A male stripper in the form of Darcy WOOOOOO!!! That would be too much. And I know just the picture we could use....I bet Nan could fix it up!! And do we get to see the Fully Monty?! ;-D

Let me add my welcome, Danielle. Have you been around long? Or was it the recent P&P airing on A&E (US) that finally threw you over the edge? Good question, Winter. And good answers but since no one has mentioned this one, I'll have to grab it...being Elizabeth (of course) and standing next to him in church during the wedding ceremony. Sure, he doesn't look at her but that's because he's taking the solemnity of the ceremony so seriously. This is the most important thing that's ever happened to him in his life and it shows!! Elizabeth sneaks a peek at him to get that pulse racing again but he's staring straight ahead absorbing every word. T en again, he could be planning his evening. Either way, I'd want to be Elizabeth in that scene. And it looks like Gi will be reenacting that scene herself but with her very own Mr. Darcy. ;-) Best wishes, dear.

One of my favorite scenes is the wedding. Lizzy and Darcy standing side-by-side looking like they want to take a peak at each other but don't, Darcy all serious and Lizzy so radiant-it just turns my heart to mush. Also like the tap she gives him in the carriage-so proprietal,so wifely.

Ooooh!!! I had no idea my comments would elicit such happy news, indeed. Gi, Dear, most sincere best wishes to you and the lucky gentleman. There was never a wedding not to cry for. A Happy New Year is assured for us all. But, I fear we might have to share Gi with him for some of the time!!!

I also would have liked to be Elizabeth when she just finished playing the Piano at Pemberely. Of course, just to vex Caroline I would have went and sttod next to Darcy immediately.

Ladies, thank you all for your best wishes. You warm my heart :-) and his, because I let him see the posts. I promise not to desert you because of my marriage - the marriage to me means giving form to the commitment, nothing else. Oh, of course I want to have a party too!;-) Anyway, I told him about our group (not in all the lurid details) and he thinks we're crazy, but it's OK with him. So, I'd love that shower you suggested, Winter! Evelyn, would you get in touch with Nan about that photograph you have in mind? This would be fun. And since we now have a special chat channel, we could use it too.

Mele Kalikimaka me ka Hauoli Makahiki Hou to all. Please go to 113 and claim your Keepsake, or I get them all for Christmas!!!!

Gi, by the way, My husband think we are all certifiably mad with the time we spend here - but he knows nothing of which we really speak. That is between us!

Oops. Sorry. Just lurking. :-)

How disappointing, Arami. I have been talking to myself on 113. I have requesitioned all of the Keepsakes which have no essays, and NO one said a word. No protests, no pleas for more time. Nothing. I think everyone is partying and no one is writing.

I have since explained why I had been silent. Apparently.

You lept to the challenge and claim your ticker and dangler. That is more than anyone else has done, and it makes me wonder if the rest of the world had some great disaster befall it. We are the last to get stuff out here - including the day. The international date line is out there between us and the next large land mass! I do not know why no one is writing these days unless it is because they have a life somewhere else!

The holidays have claimed most of us, I daresay. First it was the shopping, now it's the visiting. I'm looking forward to four days of doing NOTHING starting on Thursday. I'll write my whistle essay then. I think I did my duty with Mr. Darcy's pen. (I did whip it out to write a story for #34.) We will not forget our duty to our keepsakes here. But keep reminding us anyway!

Newcomer - not really - I've lurked for almost a year. Since most of the good 'scenes' have already been referenced, Here's mine. I would like to be the 'person' who pours the water over Mr. Darcy for his bath at Netherfield. It should provide some interesting viewing... Also Marcia - I am deep in thought about my 'keepsake'. Hopefully some of the good ones will remain unclaimed... Or I will come up with a new one.

Welcome, Shelly! Excellent choice of scene, I must say ;--)

(Shelly) Here's mine. I would like to be the 'person' who pours the water over Mr. Darcy for his bath at Netherfield. It should provide some interesting viewing... LOL!! Welcome, Shelly. What a very interesting POV new participants to Drool bring!! On the Keepsake thing, if a previous Keeptress hasn't checked in, you may put in your claim on any item.

(Shelly) Here's mine. I would like to be the 'person' who pours the water over Mr. Darcy for his bath at Netherfield. It should provide some interesting viewing... LOL!! That is the same 'person' who hold up the bathrobe! Welcome, Shelly. What a very interesting POV new participants to Drool bring!! On the Keepsake thing, if a previous Keeptress hasn't checked in, you may put in your claim on any item.

Hi Shelly.....We love newcomers....Welcome to Drool. Love your scene choice.( Hey...this girl has a Big Future on Drool:-)) Stick around; we want to hear from you.

And I'll add my welcome, Shelly. Since you've been around for awhile, you probably know us very well. I hope we get to know you too. Karen's got a point about the "holder of the bathrobe". Someday you'll have to tell us what you "see". This girl here doesn't have a date for New Year's Eve so guess who she's inviting over. Why, Mr. Darcy, of course. I figure if I watch the whole thing in one sitting, I'll be able to stay up til midnight. I have a theory why Darcy wants to wear his green coat to see Lizzy at the Inn at Lambton but I have to view again to see if I'm right.

Welcome, Shelly... how on Firth did you manage to remain silent for a whole year? you'll have to tell us what you "see". I see an enormous....

...possibility here... oops! ;-D

Welcome, Shelly... how on Firth did you manage to remain silent for a whole year? you'll have to tell us what you "see". I see an enormous....

Oh, sh**, I see an enormous ghost of Count All Mushy again!

(Arami) Oh, sh**, I see an enormous ghost of Count All Mushy again! Has no sense of humor, that guy ;-p

Nan!! Welcome home for the holidays :-). Been missing you...

Please tell us your theory on Why Darcy wants to wear the Green Coat. I have always wondered that myself but, I don't have any theories. I would also like a theory on why he goes to the Parsonage that day to see Elizabeth than talks a short bit then leaves. His nervousness is so adorable. Hi Shelly. Welcome. I am pretty new at this and lurked for a really long time. Like Darcy I dont' perform well for strangers but everyone here is so nice. Happy New Year

I'm afraid my theory doesn't really hold up too well, Rita, on the green coat. I had been wondering if Darcy is wearing his green coat whenever he has a a "civil" encounter with Lizzy. He's wearing it on his solo visit to Hunsford when they talk about the distance between Hunsford and Meryton. He's wearing it when he changes from the wet shirt to intercept Lizzy before she leaves Netherfield. He's wearing it again when he brings Georgiana to the Inn. So I'm thinking...is this his "lucky" coat? But of course he wears it other times when their exchange is less than civil. "On foot?" though he's quite at ease in that scene. And he certainly does pretty well when he's wearing what I think of as his evening clothes - that black suit he wears at the piano at Rosings. Hose me down when I watch that scene. It was just a theory - maybe I'll do further study without the bottle of wine I drank while watching it.

Here is my theory on the green coat. He simply wears it because he looks so damn fine in it, especially paired with the nubuck breeches. Definitely a Lizzy catching outfit.

Oh Yes!!! Most definitely!!! He caught more than just Lizzie in that outfit. Green always compliments people with his reddish coloring (still had it even through the darkening dye they put on him.) He *knew* he looked good in it.

(Marcia) He *knew* he looked good in it. And so did we ;-)

OK, it's about time I got to posting at 112; after all, it was Darcy that got me interested in Colin in 1997 (second US showing of P&P2). It is quite addicting, isn't it? Darcy is my favorite Colin role so far but I also enjoyed him as Valmont. Ditto to all favorite scenes mentioned above (liked the part about videotape thinning in certain places!). My faves: Pemberley piano scene (I know, I know, but I do turn to mush every time) followed by Rosings piano scene. I like how, just when he's getting into i with Lizzy, Lady Catherine pipes up and Darcy rolls his eyes. Also liked the bath scene and Lambton crying ("May I get you something? A glass of wine, perhaps?"--YES, I'll take the whole bottle!) scene. Question: just why was Darcy in such a rush to see her that morning? The night before in the music room (after everyone has gone to bed and he's rejoicing in his memory of 'the look') it looks as though an idea, or resolve of some sort, has come over him. What do you think? As I mentioned at 115, I saw "You've got Mail" yesterday strictly for P&P references. The lady next to me looked at me funny when I gasped and laughed during the close up on the P&P book cover, featuring our favorite actor and actress! If you've not seen the movie yet, as hard core P&P fans you'll recognize the basic plotline beyond the blunt references to our fave. I think the sisters Ephron are P&P2 fans. I SURELY would have enjoyed our DB as the lead instead of Tom Hanks. Sigh.

(Eileen) Question: just why was Darcy in such a rush to see her that morning? Wearing the green coat....for good luck? JA doesn't give us a clue in the book. It's all conjecture. I think he went to court her...it was Sunday.... a drive around Derbyshire? We know she was due to have dinner that night at Pemberley. Heide has been to Pemberley...what do you think Heide?

I've always thought he was going to propose to her again. Why else would he be in such dither?

(Karen)I've always thought he was going to propose to her again. Why else would he be in such dither? He does come in to the Inn with the same determined look as at the first proposal.Hmmmmmm.But the gods at RoP don't seem to think so.

Maybe it was a teeny weeny bit too early to propose again. But he was keen to be with her and to see if she really enjoyed his company. And to show her his best attention. To court her in all earnest.

Since JA doesn't write scenes describing the actions of the gentlemen except when they are in the company of the ladies, I think we can leave Darcy's motives up to our own interpretation. This romantic here (there are quite a few others, I believe?) prefers to think Darcy was going to renew his proposal. Realistically though, I think Darcy would have gone about it a little slower this time and probably wouldn't have proposed just then. Just my opinion.

Would it be out of the question for him to state his objective, i.e., that he wanted to show her that he had taken her words to heart and that his feelings for her were "unchanged"?

Much too early for the second proposal, remember this is a man of pride even if he trying to change some aspects of his character. I conject the reason for his rush was a high state of anticipation of seeing his lovely lady again. I like the idea of perhaps making plans for a drive around the park or a picnic at Pemberley. Regardless, of the reason I am sure he would want to spend every minute he possibly could to show her the new and improved Darcy.

He might have wished to propose again but I also tend to think that he would have to court her and really woo her. Not enough had happened betwen them at Pemberley for him to be so sure of himself. The last thing he would want is to give her a chance to turn him down again.

He went to see her that morning to spend some time with her. Maybe even go on one of her walks with him.

Actually, that's a good chat-up topic when we meet The Man Himself: "And pray tell us, Mr. Firth, what were your intentions on going to the Lambton Inn wearing your green coat" Hmmmmmmm? The other query I have is: "And pray tell us, Mr. Firth,is that really your picture on the video cover of "The Advocate"? (Sure looks like his hands)

"And pray tell us, Mr. Firth,is that really your picture on the video cover of "The Advocate"? (Sure looks like his hands) Can you have it scanned and posted here?

Re: The Advocate Picture Can you have it scanned and posted here? Sure. I'll send it to Karen sometime.

(Evelyn) He does come in to the Inn with the same determined look as at the first proposal. Hmmmmmm. But the gods at RoP don't seem to think so. Now, now...is it really necessary to make those kinds of comments about Pemberley because some of the people there have a different opinion? Many Pemberleans visit Drool and it hurts their feelings. Remember what we talked about on the FICLIST? If I can refrain from commenting (particuliarly at present!) then anyone can ;-) And, btw...I think it was too soon to propose again. Now, despise me if you dare ;-)

I must must must introduce myself to this fantastic board. I am Gabriella, a true P&P, CF devotee who has been searching for somewhere to drool for at least three months since my last totally orgasmic (hoping I can say that word?) experience watching P & P for the nine millionth time. I can no longer justify my CF obsession to my husband and have become someone I never thought I could - secretive, cunning and tormented, reduced to joining fourteen different video shops to avoid the belittling stares of he video attendant as I try to rent P & P for the third time in a month and running out of credible excuses. I am English but am unfortunately stuck on an island (New Zealand) which does not have a huge enough number of tv channels to offer reruns of P & P at a rate to enable me to get my much-needed fix of CF. I have never been entranced by someone so much in all my life and I can tell I am in very good company on this board. Thank goodness I have found you. I see that everyone has offered their views on "favourite scenes" so I feel I must do likewise. I think my absolute two favourites are "after the bath" (the long and loving look down to Lizzie) and "Darcy being caring" scene where he fondles her hand. I just love that. But, really, any scene which involves Breeches Hugging Thighs, Wet Shirts or Fine Ey s Close-ups are just magnificent and I cannot get enough. And the happiest thing - I adore the womens' costumes also and have long tried to emulate Lizzie's figure (if you catch my drift) and last week, after a trawl through every lingerie shop in the country, I have been able to find just the garment to do this. I now point skywards in true P& P style - what a happy thought!!!!!!! Gabriella

(Evelyn) "And pray tell us, Mr. Firth,is that really your picture on the video cover of "The Advocate"? (Sure looks like his hands) (Arami) Can you have it scanned and posted here? Hasn't this already been done? Nan didn't you post all the video covers once before? ********* Now, a big welcome to Gabriella. This is definitely the place to drool over everything Firthish. No need to be tortured and tormented; we love to hear about CF's acting, facial expressions, the turn of his ankle, the trimness of his thigh... Oh you get the picture. Sounds like you need to get your own copy of P&P not to mention other Firth classics that you might be embarassed to rent at the video store (for Nan's sake I won't name names ;-)). But your last revelation is truly a unique! Emulating Lizzie's figure. What a devotee! I hope your husband appreciates your efforts. Maybe you get him to put on a wet shirt and breeches. What a fantasy.

Great discussion! I also think he went to further court her and show her he took her criticism to heart. Gives way to some interesting fantasies on just how he would do that, doesn't it? Perhaps he would have ventured so far as to validate that her feelings had taken a turn for the better. Good pickup about the green coat; I missed it entirely. Welcome, Gabriella. I also have a husband who long ago abandoned understanding of why I'm so stuck on this series ("who's that actor you like? Colin Frith?"). Do tell, are those undergarments as uncomfortable as they look? BTW, I thought Lizzy was never pointing quite so skyward (if I can borrow your term) as she was in the Pemberley piano scene. On purpose?

Welcome Gabriella, I agree with Karen, you must purchase the P&P tapes. They are available at a very reasonable price now. BTW, your emulating Lizzy hit a chord. I even did my hair like her. In fact this past summer visiting JA s house in Chawton, I wore my lovely regency-style dress. (fantasies if you can live them are healthy and lots of fun)

(evelyn)But the gods at RoP don't seem to think so.... (Nan)Now, now...is it really necessary to make those kinds of comments about Pemberley because some of the people there have a different opinion? Sorry...apologies all around. Did not mean this in a pjorative sense.Would not want to hurt their feelings.Should have put:-) after it. Your term " Pemberleans" is far more appropriate. Will use it firthforth. ******** Welcome Gabriella. I like the Lizzy look-a-like part.Whe I visited Chawton there were some tourists attired in Lizzy-dresses. Maybe one of them was you , Moon.

Thankyou, everyone,for your warm welcome. I feel so at home here and have read just about all the posts on our beloved...and chuckled away to myself thinking how hilarious you guys are - just like me!! Re: the uplifting garment. It is made by Gossard and no, Eileen, it is not that uncomfortable to wear, though one's boobs sort of go "phew" when one takes it off at the end of the day. I read on one of the many P & P sites that Jennifer Ehle said the costumes/corsets weren't as bad as she thought they were going to be and the wardrobe people let her pick a lot of the dresses for each shoot. By the way, I totally agree with you about her figure during the Pemberley scene - there's a side-on shot and I r member thinking the first time I saw it that they positively defied gravity!!! No, Moon, it wasn't me at Chawton, unfortunately though how I wish it was. I just adore those Regency dresses but can't get any here. Have taken all your advice and am seeking my own copy of P & P. Now, could I ask a wee favour of you guys - would you kindly tell me which Firth videos you would recommend to gratify my needs. I.e which star him in a substantial enough role to enable satisfaction. SIL isn't being released here till March. Of the others he's starred in, which do you guys like best? Thankyou everyone. Gabriella.

(Karen)Hasn't this already been done? Nan didn't you post all the video covers once before? Yes. Check in my file--I think they're still in there. (Karen) (for Nan's sake I won't name names ;-)). Bless you, dear ;-) (Evelyn) Should have put:-) after it. No problem, dear...it happens. But I agree; when in doubt, use an emoticon ;-D

Welcome, Gabriella! I just can't believe it - yet another newbie! We're growing like mushrooms here, and I bet there is still a host of lurkers waiting to pounce. Firthers of the world - come forth! BTW, general Firth discussion is on board 116, I hope you have discovered it already. It may be advantageous to repost your last question there. :-) (And whilst I'm at it, can someone tell me please what is topic 111 for? Thanks.)

Welcome Gabrielle! So glad you found this safe haven. Darcy Drool needs all new droolers to perk things up every now and then. Aren't those eyelashes just to die for after the bath? And during too. (Eileen) BTW, I thought Lizzy was never pointing quite so skyward (if I can borrow your term) as she was in the Pemberley piano scene. On purpose? You mean while she was taking those deep breaths whilst singing? Her undergarments definitely were a model for uplifting construction. I was also surprised how she managed to keep from falling out of her dress when she rose from the sofa to greet her unexpected visitor at Hunsford after everyone else ran off to Rosings. Other than making me wildly jealous, the only other thing Lizzy's cleavage does for me is make me speculate as to what kind of jokes were made on the set about this fashion. Think the same kind of contest was going on between Jennifer and Julia Sawalha as I've heard reported went on between Colin and Crispin?

Darcy Drool needs all new droolers This was a mistake, I swear. I hope not a Freudian slip. :-o

(Nan) But I agree; when in doubt, use an emoticon ;-D Oh...I thought that was a diahrea medicine:-D (Heide)contest was going on between Jennifer and Julia Sawalha.. I don't know about on the set...but there were comments in the press after the series about the "Wonder Bras" worn...which BBC denied. Saying they used the uplift garment of the era...whatever that was. BTW in real life, JE dresses v. conservatively. Check out the dress at the 96 BAFTA. At the 98 BAFTA her dress looked like a nun's....only close-up in slo-mo it had a slit up to here!! She is quite voluptuous. But she stays away from low necklines consistently.

Correction: diarrhea.....you know what I mean't.

(Arami) ...topic 111... My first attempt months ago at creating a topic and I thought I had immediately killed it. Guess it's dying a slow death somewhere though I haven't found it. Ignore it if you can.

(Nan) But I agree; when in doubt, use an emoticon ;-D (Evelyn) Oh...I thought that was a diahrea medicine:-D ROTFLMAO!! I think we need to start a permanent archive (is that redundant?) for funniest Drool comments. This would have to go in. Oh Evelyn, you are a riot! h o-|-\ [that's me falling off my chair]

Hi Gabriella, I'm another newbie who just unlurked on #116. I love this conference as well. It's reassuring to know there are other married firthaholics -- sometimes I feel like an adulteress! Re: my fav Darcy moment, I love all the "usual suspects" (the Look, bath, wet shirt, etc.) but one of my favorites occurs during the Rosings piano scene -- just after Lizzy's line "...because I would not take the trouble of practicing" he looks at her with this sort of flicker or sparkle in his eye before he says the line "You're perfectly right..." I don't know why, but that really sets me off. I also love that "stuttering" thing he does with his eyelashes when he runs into Lizzy at Pemberley and says "E cuse me...your family is in good health?" and again when he says goodbye to her and her carriage pulls away. It's so rare to see such great chemistry between an actor and actress. It wasn't until long after I'd first seen P&P2 that I heard they were romantically involved during the filming. I also heard somewhere it was she who initiated the breakup -- Evelyn, can this be true? I would tend to think so -- I can't imagine JE thanking him in her BAFTA speech or her mum Rosemary Harris agreeing to work with him in MLSF if he had treated her so badly. Nevertheless, it's hard to comprehend any woman voluntarily leavi g our DB...

Oooh! How marvellous to see such a flurry of new activity and enthusiasm here! I must admit that although I've moved on to enthuse about all things Firth, nothing has ever stirred me quite as much as P&P. The whole series cast a spell on me, and I really did "fall" for CF/Darcy, which I've never done before (if you discount a couple of teenage crushes!), and I'm sure I'll never do again!!

(Susan)it�s hard to comprehend any woman voluntarily leaving our DB... I must say that when I first read all those stories about JE and CF falling in love during the filming of P&P I immediately thought it�s just a classical pr trick, you know, promoting a romantic film by building up a gossip about a love affair between the stars! And the trick really has worked, hasn�t it.....but maybe it wasn�t a trick after all, probably wasn�t. Sorry for being such a heretic (this certainly is a crime gainst the official Firtheology!) but who says they fell in love? The film crew? Th press??? I�d just like to know.

Yes, Bethan....believe me, I know what you mean. It was P&P for me that started my crazy Colinism. Funny thing is, when I first saw it I didn�t pay so much attention to him, I liked Jennifer! I really admired her as an actress and watched the video over and over again. Soon my appreciation moved to Colin and...something just happened. Haven�t been the same since then, if you know what I mean.... I�ve really had all the symptoms of falling madly in love. It�s a wonderful but such an insane phenomenon as the object of your desire is someone you�ll probably never meet. But I�ve decided to let this happen to me and enjoy it. By the way, it was my husband who first introduced Colin to me! Knowing how much I like good British drama he bought the P&P video to me, and when I liked it, he gave me The Making of PP book as well. It does make me feel a bit guilty that since then I�ve been thinking about another man.

(Susan)....but one of my favorites occurs during the Rosings piano scene -- just after Lizzy's line "...because I would not take the trouble of practicing" he looks at her with this sort of flicker or sparkle in his eye before he says the line "You're perfectly right..." Yes!! I agree with you about that scene - I love it too. Aside from the obvious fact that it involves a close-up of his gorgeous face, he is actually being very vulnerable in that scene with admitting he is shy, and it comes across so beautifully. It is as if they are the only two in the whole world at that moment. (Oh I've gone all weak-kneed....) -- sometimes I feel like an adulteress! Now Susan (and any other "guilty" marrieds) cast those feelings asunder as I have done. Oh yes, I still have pangs of guilt that I am spending time thinking/fantasising/etc about CF, searching sites, posting comments, seeking pictures of him for instant gratification.....but ultimately we are doing nothing wrong by engaging in harmless day-dreaming activity. Well, that's what I've convinced myself of anyway.... I have just watched The English Patient (my first attempt at watching something other that P & P with CF in it) and I was not displeased, albeit he had only a smallish role. I thought the straight, shortish hair was nice and he looked just as edible as ever. Like you, Lizbeth, it will take a lot to knock Darcy from the number 1 spot.

(SusanMC)I heard they were romantically involved during the filming. I also heard somewhere it was she who initiated the breakup -- Evelyn, can this be true? I would tend to think so -- I can't imagine JE thanking him in her BAFTA speech or her mum Rosemary Harris agreeing to work with him in MLSF if he had treated her so badly. Nevertheless, it's hard to comprehend any woman voluntarily leaving our DB... Sorry Susan...I know as much as you do. I do know that she has never mentioned the relationship in an interview ...that is never personalized it.Colin has...said that it was notan affair... they had known each other for a few years before and the relationship grew..."we were together for almost a year". But she has never uttered a word. And never will. She is a v. private person, by her own admission, shy. Anyway, that was a long time ago...they are good friends...we rejoice that he has found a lovely wife. Hope she finds someone too someday. And we all hope they co-star in another production sometime..You're right...they had amazing chemistry that really made the film such a success.

Elena, Susan and Gabriella, There are a lot of "guilty marrieds" out there. But it really is a harmless diversion, almost like a secret, pleasurable "hobby"! And by all accounts, the object of our affections is an unassuming, modest, warm and likeable man. I can be VERY critical, and there are lots of things about "celebrities" that I really dislike. But I've never found anything to be critical of in CF (apart from the fact that he doesn't take enough leading roles, oh, and the smoking...not good for the health!) There's never anyth ng about him in the tabloid press and he seems to be a very private man. So, don't feel guilty...just enjoy! Who says they fell in love? (Elena) Well, they did. CF said in an interview that the relationship lasted a year and seemed annoyed to hear it described as a "location romance"...said it was more than that. Jennifer also made some brief comments in an interview. The only reference I saw as to how it ended was a brief snippet in the Telegraph diary, that JE had broken off with CF, and that he had flown back from filming in South America to plead with her, but to no avail. Makes a lovely story, but the truth of it may be extremely dubious!! Ac ording to a tablod paper, CF's mum said that they remained good friends, and Colin, Livia and Jennifer were all seen chatting amicably at the BAFTA ceremony. So there y'are! I must say that I think JE is also very nice, and very charming, and I'm sure the relationship must have ended amicably.

I seem to recall JE was once reported as saying that she felt he would let her into his life "only so far", and for that reson apparently the relationship was emotionally unsatisfactory for her... or something to that effect. There's never anything about him in the tabloid press Well, before he was married, the stories about his relationships were being blown out of proportion, especially when he hit the headlines as Darcy; if he just said that he liked someone, that person would be described as his secret passion; the tabloids implied that he was in a habit of seducing practically all his screen partners. He was branded a womanizer, but but the bottom line is that they could name only two women with whom he had longer relationships (there must have been other girlfriends, of cou se, but no one knows their identity - that's how private and discreet he and his ex-ladies are), and his comment on the subject was, that he had never left one woman for another. The most "scandalous" gossip that the tabloids were able to concoct after days of stalking him was that when Livia visited him in London before they were married, they were spotted (and photographed) buying a vacuum cleaner together, and on another occasion, shock-horror, a pack of chocolate flavoured condoms...

I seem to recall JE was once reported as saying that she felt he would let her into his life "only so far", and for that reason apparently the relationship was emotionally unsatisfactory for her... or something to that effect. That was never her direct quote; I have all of her interviews...even the ones that have not been posted on her website. That comment was supposedly said by a friend of hers. But never confirmed by either side. They are v. discreet ...as it should be.

(Arami) shock-horror, a pack of chocolate flavoured condoms Oh god, did you really have to endanger our innocency by telling us a horrible thing like that? Ruins my romantic idea about him. It must�ve been a joke....;-) (((...but the idea sounds good)))

did you really have to endanger our innocency by telling us a horrible thing like that? LOL! Sorry, children - the evil Arami is at it again... ;-) Seriously, I thought everybody knew about it! And anyway, what's so horrible about the facts of life?

(Arami) buying a vacuum cleaner together, and on another occasion, shock-horror, a pack of chocolate flavoured condoms... (Elena) Oh god, did you really have to endanger our innocency by telling us a horrible thing like that...It must�ve been a joke....;-) It was in the British tabloids--so we can assume someone just got carried away. It was an interesting bit of gossip at the time though. As I recall, it caused a bit of an uproar ;-)

Hey Livia is human and a woman, of course she likes chocolate!

God. I happened to be milling around, and thought I'd idly pull back the curtain on Topic 175. What do I hear? Colin's chocolate-coloured condoms. Knowing this to be the "Dacry Drool", I am racking my brains to remember the chapter in which Darcy reaches into his saddle bag, retrieves the CCCs and offers them to Lizzie: "Madam, would you do me the honour?", but for some reason it escapes me.

Seems that my knowledge of the facts of life (or at least His life) is seriously inadequate. I think we really should�ve asked him if it�s true in the question list....:-):-) This revelation made me realize that there must be a ton of ****important**** things that I don�t know about him because I haven�t read the British tabloids. Anything else, Arami?? BTW, when did this tasteless (!) fact come out and what do you mean with an uproar, Nan?

(Elena)BTW, when did this tasteless (!) fact come out and what do you mean with an uproar, Nan? Actually, I don't think it was a "fact". It was more of a rumor. At the time, all of us being freshly infected with Colin-lust, you can imagine how well we took such a rumor.

(Ben), I am racking my brains to remember the chapter in which Darcy reaches into his saddle bag, retrieves the CCCs and offers them to Lizzie: "Madam, would you do me the honour?", but for some reason it escapes me. ROTFLOL! Most of us (married or not), seem to have fallen for CF with Darcy. To think that Livia had not seen P&P when she met him! Maybe that was a prerequisite of his after P&P, to find a girl who had not seen him as Darcy. I must say it worked for him v. well.

At the time, all of us being freshly infected with Colin-lust, you can imagine how well we took such a rumor. (Nan) Like manna from heaven, really! We're much more serious these days, fretting all the time why he's not playing King Lear or taking the lead in Titanic 3 or being awarded the OBE. (Robert Carlyle?!!!!!) Time to re-focus, and remember why we really, really like him. :-) This revelation made me realize that there must be a ton of ****important**** things that I don�t know about him because I haven�t read the British tabloids. Anything else, Arami?? (Elena) I'm sure Arami will oblige! All I can come up with is a reported preference for older women (until JE) and having a bruised face as a drama student after being slapped by person unknown (probably a lamp post or revolving door). Pretty tame stuff....no hot, steamy "my torrid night with Darcy" kiss-and-tells! Arami?

(Arami) there must have been other girlfriends, of course, but no one knows their identity (Bethan)....no hot, steamy "my torrid night with Darcy" kiss-and-tells! Surprising really that the biggest Darcy mania didn�t produce a heap stories like that; one could have easily made a lot of money with them. It can only mean that he isn�t such a womanizer after all or at least that he hasn�t had too many sloppy one night stands with women he doesn�t know better.

I'm sorry if my earlier comment sounded like I was anti-JE. Actually I'm a huge fan of Jennifer's -- we all drool over CF, but her performance is the one that really carries P&P2. And if she wants to break up with (if that was indeed the case) the man most of us would have killed to have dated, well, I'm sure she had her reasons -- regardless, the situation seems to have worked out to everyone's satisfaction, so who am I to judge? Nevertheless, sometimes I worry/wonder about CF. We've all questioned some of his career decisions, but in a sense that is somewhat out of his control. But in his personal life he seems to get into situations in which he's guaranteed to be stretched too thin. I mean, take the thing with Meg Tilly -- as anyone who's ever gone to a different college than their sweetheart knows, out-of-state romances are hard enough, let alone transcontinental ones. (Digression: If you had been MT, wouldn't you have moved yo r ass to London rather than making him have to fly all over the world to and from the backwoods of Canada? I mean, it's not like her career -- such as it is -- was red-hot at that time. Or if not London, wouldn't you have moved to N.Y., which is still a reasonable "commute" to London and would allow him to see his son without having to make 24-hr., multiple-time-zone expeditions? end digression) And if he and Livia start a family, as they no doubt will, my guess is that she will want to be near her family in Rome -- I know I would if I had a husband who travels a lot. So then you have the bulk of his film work in London (most likely), home base primarily in Rome, and constant jaunts to son #1 in L.A. -- God, talk about being stretched like a rubber band. And it's one thing to be jetting around the world at 30 -- it's another at 40 or 45, with multiple family obligations... Sorry -- must be the mother in me that makes me worry about him like this. Colin, if you're reading this, yes I actually do have a real life of my own that entails things other than speculating about famous people's personal lives.

No, I can't come up with anything else. The CFCFC (rather than CFCCC, Ben) story, reported naughtily as a one-line aside within some other, totally unconnected story, was indeed an unconfirmed rumour of a sighting (by whom exactly? someone must have practically stuck their nose right in his fist!) and had absolutely no effect whatsoever, it went completely unnoticed and without one word of further comment in the media, as far as I'm aware. The British are fortunately very laid-back about that sort of thin . So the guy buys shampoo, shaving cream, some plasters and other bits and pieces for his bathroom cabinet - so what? Completely normal, no? What a blow for gossip mongers ;-) (BTW, Ben is right - this scientific discussion doesn't belong on Darcy board. Who started it, anyway? ;-))

Sorry. CFCs. Shows how exciting my love life is. Livia must have seen that 70s flake ad. ("Only the crumbliest, flakiest chocolate...." Remember, those in England?)

Sorry. CFCs. Shows how exciting my love life is. Livia must have seen that 70s flake ad. ("Only the crumbliest, flakiest chocolate...." Remember, those in England?) ] Oh dear Lord! I like Flake;)

(Susan)If you had been MT, wouldn't you have moved your ass to London rather than making him have to fly all over the world to and from the backwoods of Canada? MT was someone notable in Hollywood and obviously pulled rank on him. Later she whined in an interview about him having left her, but I too think she asked for it.

(Laura) Oh dear Lord! I like Flake;) There's your chance, Ben ;-D

Sorry. CFCs. Aren't those the things that have been outlawed as piercing the ozone layer? ;-)

No, no - CFCFCs. Perfectly legal, but don't stand piercing. ;-) (This discussion seems on a slippery slope now...)

Who needs chololate flavoring when you have *him*?????? I eat Chocolate when there is nothing "better" to be had at the moment =P

Slippery slope Yep. Downhill, all the way! Sorry. CFCs. Shows how exciting my love life is (Ben) LOL! Must be the mother in me that makes me worry about him like this. (Susan) If I had been Colin's mum (now there's a weird thought!) and my son, after an extremely promising start to his career, had jettisoned everything for love, I'd have restrained myself for about two weeks and then rushed off into those Canadian backwoods to drag him back home by his curly locks! Seriously, his emotional life does seem transcontinental, but a Rome-London axis isn't too difficult, and how old is his son now...nearly 10? He'll soon be a confident young teenager, well able to travel to join his dad! I am racking my brains to remember the chapter in which Darcy reaches into his saddle bag, retrieves the CCCs and offers them to Lizzie: "Madam, would you do me the honour?", but for some reason it escapes me. (Ben) Sounds like an anachronism from "Darcy in lurve". Or maybe it's not so anachronistic. Has anyone read "The French Lieutenant's Woman" by John Fowles. Fowles includes notes on the history of the condom...first available in the late 1780's, made of sausage skin. The first "sex manual" published, denounced sheaths as likely to cause impotence and states that "any preventative means, to be satisfactory, must be used by the woman, as it spoils the passion and impulsiveness of the venereal act, if the man has t think of them".!!! :-) Okay, back to Mr Darcy and romance!

sausage skin Sheep's gut, to be precise. Yummy for carnivores ;-p (Chocolate in solid form was not yet commonly used then).

Ah, so it was like dipping select morsels into the warm chocolate, then licking it off??? I like the idea, but do not understand the science of preventing conception behind it. Is there more to chocolate than I know, or was this done instead? Just asking!!!

Ooooh, Sorry. Must be the paint fumes from those bleacher seats we were finishing. This is *Darcy Drool* and the fine points of the gentleman are our interests here. With everything so perfect about him (and his interpreter), little wonder JA stayed unmarried. A Darcy would be difficult to find in the best of times. Many of us are still looking...

(Bethan) The first "sex manual" published, denounced sheaths as likely to cause impotence and states that "any preventative means, to be satisfactory, must be used by the woman, as it spoils the passion and impulsiveness of the venereal act, if the man has t think of them".!!! Hmmm, must have been written by a man! I have belly laughed through this entire discussion, but must admit it has me wondering. What is the purpose of a flavored condom? I didn't think they were supposed to be taken orally ;-)

Oh my word. I thought I had strayed by some terrible accident into an x-rated site discussing the virtues of flavoured condoms and the people that use them. I must say, I am feeling rather unsettled reading about the possibility of CF buying these items. I just can't get my head around it. No pun intended, of course. I have to say that I have never tried them myself, although I have experienced the glow-in-the-dark variety. At the risk of turning discussions to a more wholesome bent, I must share with you all the most profoundly happy experience I have had today whilst grocery-shopping. The mundance turned into sheer glee when I happened to glance up from my shopping to the rows of magazines and spied the latest TV guide with CF and JE emblazoned across the front. Well, the next few minutes were a frenzied blur as I abandoned my cart, pushed old ladies out the way and shoved through the crowds to get my hands on a copy. It transpires that P&P is returning to our screens (happy news for me, as I've not got a copy yet; yes,yes, shame on me, I know) and the accompanying article was predominantly about the series and how it has (favourably) affected the actors who starred in it. Everything you will all know, so I certainly won't bore everyone with a repetition, but I ID think the following was a delightful extract : "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of skin-tight breeches must set countless female hearts aflutter....Darcy's cooling dip, along with moments of throbbing sexual tension...helped make the BBC's Pride and Prejudice a television triumph." Andrew Davies is quoted as saying "Suddenly all these women were writing to the papers saying what they'd like to do with Colin Firth." So, everyone, I have my tapes poised and my remote control at the ready. Yippee! Can anyone tell me how to get on to CF chat? Is this still going? Gabriella

Hallo Gabriella, I hope everything goes well and you finally tape P&P for yourself. To go to Chat, just go to www.colinfirth.com and then click on Colin chat (I think). You'll be asked for your username and a password, and you can dive right in! (JanaH)What is the purpose of a flavored condom? I didn't think they were supposed to be taken orally ;-) You must be joking!

(JanaH)What is the purpose of a flavored condom? I didn't think they were supposed to be taken orally ;-) You must be joking! Hmmmmm....Monica can tell us

(evelyn) Hmmmmm....Monica can tell us I thought hers were cherry flavored;) Talk about a double whammy w/ CFC's. I mean if chocolate produces the same feeling as sex (according the brain), then eating chocolate while having aforementioned activity should be pretty amazing! Sorry, Bridgetesque reply!

(Susan) If you had been MT, wouldn't you have moved your ass to London Digression again (but if we can discuss condoms in Darcy Drool we can discuss Meg as well): I used to adore Meg in that beautiful, serious, quite non-hollywoodish movie....what was it called now. Ave Maria or something? Her acting was unbelievably good. I also think she�s gorgeous, no wonder Colin left �everything� for her for a while. AND I just don�t get it why she should�ve moved to London or anywhere from where she wanted to live with her three kids. This couldn�t be a reason for the breakup, it�s ju t an official explanation for something else we do not know anything about. To blame her admirably strong will for the breakup is terrible. (Susan) Colin, if you're reading this Yes, could he be? Imagine him having read this topic these days and found a blooming renaissance of his CFCs...:-)

Oops, sorry, Meg�s movie was of course Agnes of God (visited her website). btw, strange indeed how much she does resemble Mrs. Firth.

Elena, I too, like Meg Tilly....esp. in Agnes of God (Golden Globe award?),Valmont and The Big Chill. Her career went south after V. But she is a very capable actress.And yes, she does resemble Livia (when she was younger). MT has two children by her first husband....we don't know...perhaps the court would not have allowed her to take them out of the country to live in London. Speculating...of course. But agree that it's not fair to blame her for the split.

(Gabriella) ...although I have experienced the glow-in-the-dark variety. I'm never able to keep a straight face--makes me think of air traffic controllers ;-D (Gabriella) The mundane turned into sheer glee when I happened to glance up from my shopping to the rows of magazines and spied the latest TV guide with CF and JE emblazoned across the front. Ooh...is it a new photo? Well, not new...but one we haven't seen before, perhaps? (Laura) I mean if chocolate produces the same feeling as sex (according the brain), then eating chocolate while having aforementioned activity should be pretty amazing! Well, I suppose it could happen. Personally, I think it would make me want to toss ;-p

Personally, I think the birth of new acronyms in the last few days have been priceless....CFCFC....or for short: CCC No one can ever accuse us of:a) being dull b) not be creative

I'm never able to keep a straight face--makes me think of air traffic controllers. Oh...ROFL!! Yes, yes. Totally concur with your assessment! In fact, after seeing the thing bobbing about the boudoir seemingly unattached to a body and undertaking a strange, almost ritualistic comic dance, I was unable to do *anything* but laugh. But that, of course, is another story. Ooh...is it a new photo? Well, not new...but one we haven't seen before, perhaps? Definiely not new...and have we seen it before? Well, I think probably yes, it is a very "standard" one of Lizzie and Darcy. Believe me, I am VERY sensitive to everyone's emotional and psychological needs for Darcyiana and if I thought these piccies were worth scanning and posting, then I truly would, without a moment's hesitation. But rest assured I don't think we are missing anything too huge. Could someone advise if I am correct in thinking Livia is pregnant? Either I'm completely misled, or I am pathetically gossip-challenged. Gabriella

Oops...sorry, I'm still getting the hang of HTML and forgot to close my italics. G

Let's see if I can fix it... (Evelyn) new acronyms in the last few days have been priceless....CFCFC....or for short: CCC Correction again: CFCFC or CFC. CCC has nothing much to do with the aforementioned report. It was just a recipe variation as discussed here, I guess... ;-)

Correction again: CFCFC or CFC. CCC has nothing much to do with the aforementioned report.It was just a recipe variation as discussed here, I guess... Thank you . I stand corrected. I don't want to decipher them again...but I thought some one referred to the items once as "CCC".Eliminating surname and F for flavor :-)

Gosh, sorry if I offended any MT fans. (Already you're regretting letting me on this site!) What prompted my digression was I had read something in which CF's sister said Colin ultimately was made to choose between living in isolation in Canada or having a career. One has to wonder, was there no middle ground? I mean, there ARE places to live other than Timbuktu... Anyway, as JA would say, we don't know the particulars, nor do I really feel comfortable delving into them. So back to Darcy (the reason we're all here): I've always wondered, were there other actors being considered for the part? Or was CF their first and only choice?

(SusanMC)Gosh, sorry if I offended any MT fans. (Already you're regretting letting me on this site!) LOL Susan...have no fear...; lots of people agree with you re; MT. As Nan says...if we all thought alike we wouldn't have anything to talk about.! I just happen to like MT as an actress...Recently, she was interviewed and said that she was no longer taking acting roles, she prefers to stay home with her three children.(She is also married to John Calley, CEO of Sony Pictures)

(Susan) Or was CF their first and only choice? Not sure if Colin was their first and only choice, but Sue Birtwistle has often said that she wanted Colin for the part and she had worked with him before on Dutch Girls. Is it in the "Making of" book? I've heard her refer to the casting in interviews for the videotape.

All of this talk of chocolate flavored condoms and wonder bras with breasts pointing skyward; ladies, I am all astonishment! Having recently delurked at CF�s conference, I thought I would take a tour of the other droolworthy topics. I do have a confession to make, however: I viewed and taped P&P2 when it first was aired on A&E in 1996, and then I put the tape way without watching it again until last year. I hope this confession does not find me exiled from further postings. Please allow me o explain. P&P has always been on my short list of favorite books. I was skeptical about the series, as I absolutely detest the 1940 version of P&P. As much as I admire Olivier, I felt that he did not do Darcy (or Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights, for that matter) justice. In any event, I loved P&P2, and was delighted by the wit, vivacity, and sexual tension which prevailed in the production. Like most of you, P&P2 made me take notice of CF, and I have followed his career ever since. Now then. Like I said, I put the tape away, and didn�t think much more about it, until around early November of last year. I began to work very long hours around this time and was in need of a relaxing diversion after work. It was then when I came across my tape of P&P2. I started watching it late at night, especially savoring the Darcy and Lizzy moments. Then an odd thing happened. I started to rewind and replay certain scenes over and over again: Darcy�s lustful look out the window apres bath; the dance at the Netherfield Ball where Darcy and Elizabeth�s hands touch; the Pemberly wet shirt scene, etc. You get the idea. Suddenly, I was approaching P&P2 with the fervor of a Rocky Horror Picture Show devotee: I had memorized lines, and could practically act out the scenes. I was getting worried�.would I next want to start throwing rice at the television screen? And then I found Drool and understood that this was merely a case of full-blown Firthaholism. It helps o much to name the ailment. Sorry for these digressions, but it feels so good to have found my support group. I am home.

( Lisa ) but it feels so good to have found my support group. I am home. And we'rethe luckier for it!! BTW I just mailed your "Making of P&P "tape. Enjoy!

I was approaching P&P2 with the fervor of a Rocky Horror Picture Show devotee: I had memorized lines, and could practically act out the scenes. I was getting worried�.would I next want to start throwing rice at the television screen? LOL! And then I found Drool and understood that this was merely a case of full-blown Firthaholism. Firthoholics Anonymous we (well, some of us ;-)... And no - I don't want to be cured!!!

Arami and the other experts, a question: are they milk or plain, just out of interest? And aren't they rather dangerous? I cannot taste a Mars bar, for example, without wishing to bite into it. I was going to come up with a 12-step programme, but as with every addiction, the victim must want to be cured. Since Arami emphatically does not, we are not going to get very far, I see. So, seeking to take something positive from Lisa's confession, perhaps a list of Rocky Horror-style audience participation gimmicks for P&P would be good. Anything is allowed, but remember that P&P is a family show and, in particular, there is no call anywhere for CFCs. (I was thinking more along the lines of bonnets, redcoats, music, various drinks....) Allez les Demoiselles! Get to work, and "I shall be the judge of it as occasion arises".

Darcy s On foot line is followed by: the Firthettes Dance to Netherfield Lots of curls bopping to the wind while our DB just follows along with a big grin.

(LisaJH) I do have a confession to make, however...I viewed and taped P&P2...then I put the tape way without watching it again until last year. I hope this confession does not find me exiled from further postings. Heck, no...I did the same thing. I think I put the tape away for about 6 months after I first watched it. Okay, so I watched it several times then put it away for 6 months--but you know what I mean ;-) (Ben) are they milk or plain, just out of interest? I prefer bittersweet, myself. And aren't they rather dangerous? I cannot taste a Mars bar, for example, without wishing to bite into it. Mars bar, huh? I can resist biting into anything which is devoid of nuts ;-p perhaps a list of Rocky Horror-style audience participation gimmicks for P&P would be good A couple of years ago, at the first Pemberley get together, they actually did a Rocky Horror P&P viewing. I don't remember all the details, but someone around here must have the script. It was hysterical. Okay, who remembers?

A couple of years ago, at the first Pemberley get together, they actually did a Rocky Horror P&P viewing. I don't remember all the details, but someone around here must have the script. It was hysterical. Okay, who remembers? Oh, okay. Here's The Script We departed from it a lot... that is we recited a lot more of the movie than the script indicates. It was a hoot. ;-)

Oh Myretta, thanks for the link. I swear I was ROTFLMHO! I wish I had been there!

(Nan), Mars bar, huh? I can resist biting into anything which is devoid of nuts How true! LOL! Myretta, what fun you had. I hope you will do the P&P musical next.

Myretta, That is brilliant! Perhaps I might have changed a couple of things - like drooling at EB's cleavage and throwing twigs at Darcy (instead of your way round) - but otherwise, excellent. Who invented them all?

Perhaps I might have changed a couple of things - like drooling at EB's cleavage and throwing twigs at Darcy (instead of your way round) - but otherwise, excellent. Who invented them all? I imagine you would have, Ben. This is why it's probably a good idea to keep these things segregated by gender. The script was largely done by Cheryl. Here's her business card, in case you want to get in touch with her:

Myretta, I should have know you'd have it handy. It's even funnier this time around. Cheryl just kills me. "Chief of the Tawdry Arts", indeed ;-)

Myretta, thanks ever so much for posting the link to the RHP&P2 script. Kudos to Cheryl. Haven't laughed this much in ages. Capital! Capital!....I have stockpiled enough endorphins to ward off a migraine or two! Alas, unbeknownst to me, my RH reference was not an original one.... There is something very intriguing about an interactive P&P2. Last night I was thinking how great it would be to have a P&P2 cd rom, and one could modify various scenes to one's liking......mmmmmm.

Great card. Fantastic card. I've often wondered where you found the C.18 font, by the way. Myretta - "That is why it is probably a good idea to keep these things segregated by gender." (If I weren't so hopelessly HTML-illiterate, I would quote this automatically). Is this why there are to be no men at the Pemberley gathering? (I quite accept this, though I am not so uncontrollable that I couldn't have a book handy, or a bowl of nuts to look into, or a scarf to knit while the Darcy drool is actually in progress.) Or do men cramp the droolin' style even in the virtual sphere, on this site?:-(.

Dear Ben, I think I can safely speak for everyone else in saying that you at least haven't cramped anyone's style by being here, au contraire! (LisaJH)Last night I was thinking how great it would be to have a P&P2 cd rom, and one could modify various scenes to one's liking......mmmmmm. Oh Lisa, this is the best idea ever!

(Ben)Or do men cramp the droolin' style even in the virtual sphere, on this site?:-(. You might have reformed us a bit..... ...........we're cleaner than we use to be..:-)

(Evelyn) BTW I just mailed your "Making of P&P "tape. Enjoy! Thanks, Evelyn. I can hardly wait.

(Evelyn) BTW I just mailed your "Making of P&P "tape. Enjoy! Thanks, Evelyn. I can hardly wait.

Arami and the other experts, a question: are they milk or plain, just out of interest? And aren't they rather dangerous? I cannot taste a Mars bar, for example, without wishing to bite into it. LOL, Ben! My expertise doesn't extend that far... (and BTW, opportunity is definitely not an issue here...;-D), but I happen to know that they're the most expensive of all c's on the market in UK, and really yummy. I was thinking that perhaps I should conduct some tests in the interest of empirical evaluation, but I'm really off chewing gum at the moment... I was going to come up with a 12-step programme, but as with every addiction, the victim must want to be cured. Since Arami emphatically does not, we are not going to get very far Nevertheless, why not let us evaluate your treatment - just in case there are some applicants after all... ;-)

(Arami)My expertise doesn't extend that far... Oh poor, Arami!!! Perhaps one should take the time to practice!

Oh, yes, pity me, indeed ;-)! But you are apparently diligent - perhaps you'd like to enlighten us further? :-)

(Arami)perhaps you'd like to enlighten us further? Now, I can't give away all my secrets, now can I?

Or do men cramp the droolin' style even in the virtual sphere, on this site?:-(. Ben, as Patas remarked, au contraire! BTW have you ever sampled the scrumptious chocolate delights of Fan Fic (#34). There are some stunningly talented ladies out there, and their writing is toe-curlingly good! Or perhaps Fan Fic is exclusively a woman-type thing. I've often wondered about this...men seem to reserve their enthusiasm for soccer and the prequels to Star Wars!!

the scrumptious chocolate delights of Fan Fic (#34) LOL! The atmosphere there often resembles titillating Victorian decadence... I remember a story in which rope and whipped cream played a significant part, but can't recall any chocolate episodes...

Oh good Lord, don't encourage him. However, lest he or any other intrepid sould dares to put a toe in the pool at #34, be forewarned. A healthy sense of humor is required. We have a ball writing and the more tawdry, the better.

(Arami) but can't recall any chocolate episodes... If I remember correctly there was some chocolate involved in that one as well. That story was deleted at the author's request...so all you kinky chicks out there who like that stuff, don't bother searching ;-p

so all you kinky chicks out there who like that stuff, don't bother searching ;-p Aaaaaaw. There's one in every crowd....:-) (I put an emoticon this time, Nan)

You are very good ;-)

(Nan) That story was deleted at the author's request...so all you kinky chicks out there who like that stuff, don't bother searching ;-p Isn't it back? I think it should be at the Archive. As I recall, there was hot fudge and whipped cream at a little cottage. ;-) Myretta, the Rocky Horror P&P was great! Too bad we didn't have it when we had our first get together at Bill's house. Would have liked to have seen Bill dressed up with a Wonder Bra as well. If we schedule a showing in NY, could you play that part Ben?

(Karen) Isn't it back? I think it should be at the Archive. As I recall, there was hot fudge and whipped cream at a little cottage. ;-) Yes, you're right. I didn't realize that you'd found her and added the story again. In fact, that's the first time I've been to the archives. Looks good. BTW, Lou's story really shouldn't have my name on it...I just added the visuals--she did all the work.

Lou's story really shouldn't have my name on it...I just added the visuals--she did all the work. You are too modest.

I look forward to Fan Fic. As for the wonder bra, be aware that you are conversing with Miss Trinity Hall 1987. At college, one of the charity fund-raising events - "Drag for Rag" - was a sponsored day, attending all lectures, supervisions and practicals, in a twin-set and pearls. I had three girlfriends dress and make me up v. expertly, and consequently won the prize at the evening Revue. (This was the key, it turned out - all the other oafs had ridiculous fishnets and miniskirts, with far too much make-up. The delicate hands of the experts, and moderation, was the answer. Without wishing to boast, I actually look d quite fetching.) I can only thank God that I'm a man, however. To think of having to go through that rigmarole every morning...not to mention periods, childbirth, the menopause.... I have nothing but admiration. (Nor would it only be the morning, obviously. For some reason I kept having to dive into the lav. (either men's or women's - I'd get weird looks in both), and daub some more lipstick on my chops. What a nightmare.)

Ben....I'd give anything to see a pic of "Miss Trinity Hall '87". And, pray tell...did you wear a Wonder Bra....'n "falsies"?

Too funny, Ben :-D What a good sport you are. Tell me, did they spare you the part where you shave your legs and did you have any problem "hiding the kitchen"? ;-p

Thanks, Ben, for being so sympathetic and understanding towards the discomforts of being female. A serious design flaw, if you ask me. I have no particular quarrel with Our Lord, but considering the way I've been put together, I sometimes think that he must have delegated the job to a junior assistant with a wandering mind.

(Miss Trinity Hall 1987) Without wishing to boast, I actually looked quite fetching. As others have requested on these boards, "I need proof!" ;-p Another thought, for the Rocky Horror P&P show, when the Superior Sisters ask if whether Darcy and Bingley have seen Lizzie's muddy petticoat, I'd say that calls for a can-can-like move. Ben, have done the female lead (Shirley MacLaine's part) in Can Can too? ;-)

(Me) "hiding the kitchen" It just occurred to me that this could be misinterpreted as vulgar by someone who didn't have any drag queen friends. I don't know why I didn't catch it sooner--I usually have a much dirtier mind ;-p So, just to clear it up and regain my reputation as a lady.... In Drag-queenese the "kitchen" is the point of hair at the back of the neck which sticks out from beneath a wig. See? Perfectly harmless ;-)

Thank you for that explanation, Nan. For some reason I thought it may have meant something else and was on the point of pulling the level of discussion here even lower. Anyway, my hair was quite long then, and rather unruly, so I didn't have a wig. (Why "kitchen", by the way?). Leg hair didn't seem that much of a problem, partly because the tights were reasonably thick. (This was a good thing, because it was bloody cold.) By the way, you can add bicycling in a tight skirt to my list of female burdens. I could only manage it by hitching the skirt right up, which prompted lots of mocking cat-calls from other students. How it should be done I never found out. There is a photograph, but it's buried deep in a box somewhere in England, so there's little hope of seeing my feminine side, short of "dragging" her out again...

Thank you for that explanation, Nan... I thought it may have meant something else and was on the point of pulling the level of discussion here even lower. Drat! I am seriously displeased (with Nan). ;-p

(Ben) For some reason I thought it may have meant something else and was on the point of pulling the level of discussion here even lower. Oh dear, don't tell me I'm responsible for stifling what would have been a very enjoyable read? While I wouldn't want to be accused of being a bad influence, I'm rather sorry I posted the explanation so soon. I can only imagine what was going through your head ;-) (Ben) (Why "kitchen", by the way?) I'm not sure. The explanation has to be either witty or raunchy (possibly both). The next time I speak with one of my friends, I'll ask. There is a photograph, but it's buried deep in a box somewhere in England, so there's little hope of seeing my feminine side Oh sure, Ben...here I was, scanner warmed up and ready to go...;-p (Arami) Drat! I am seriously displeased (with Nan). ;-p I know! When did I become such an adult? ;-p

Arami) Drat! I am seriously displeased (with Nan). ;-p I know! When did I become such an adult? ;-p Yeah....that prestigious Graduate School is cleaning-up our ole Nan oh Nan.

Evelyn, in answer to your original question, I made do with some strategically-placed cotton socks. These have a buoyancy all of their own, and a wonderbra was not necessary. (Anyway, had the contraption even been invented then?) Again, the secret was not do overdo it. I must have been, oh, around a b/c cup? The competition, lacking all self-control, stuffed huge balloons down their little tank-tops.

Oh Ben, what a man!!!!!!!!

Ben, what a good sport you were to dress up like a woman for an entire day! Your heightened appreciation of women after your "drag for a day" experience reminds me of the movie, Tootsie (another one of those movies on tape which I have practically worn out from repeated viewings), in the scene where Dustin Hoffman�s character realizes that his experience as Dorothy made him a better man�. Nan, your talk of drag queens takes me back to a Halloween party I attended in New York. A gay actor friend invited me to a party, which proceeded the Halloween parade in the Village. The party was great: drag queen heaven, if you know what I mean. :-) It was fun being the token straight female. I was having a wonderful time until I realized the "girls" (as they called themselves) all looked better in their dresses than I did in mine�..::sigh:: A very low body image moment; it was their lim hips which really did me in. ::wistful sigh::

Oops, I was trying to type "slim hips" in the above post.

Evelyn, in answer to your original question, I made do with some strategically-placed cotton socks. These have a buoyancy all of their own, and a wonderbra was not necessary. (Anyway, had the contraption even been invented then?) Again, the secret was not do overdo it. I must have been, oh, around a b/c cup? The competition, lacking all self-control, stuffed huge balloons down their little tank-tops.

(Nan) "hiding the kitchen" Perhaps what we're thinking of is the "kitchenette"! ;-)

(Ben)....I must have been, oh, around a b/c cup? The competition, lacking all self-control, stuffed huge balloons down their little tank-tops. Such dignity....no wonder you walked away with the prize:-)

(Karen) Perhaps what we're thinking of is the "kitchenette"! ;-) What you're thinking of (naughty girl!) would be the "basket" ;-) I'm sure there are other words for it, but I don't know them. Lisa, I'm just itching to answer your Halloween post, but fear that we are seriously off topic here. How about over at Odds and Ends (#72)?

(Nan) Lisa, I'm just itching to answer your Halloween post, but fear that we are seriously off topic here. How about over at Odds and Ends (#72)? Of course, Nan. You are absolutely right.....I should be drooling over Darcy here, instead of drag queens and the like. See you at Odds and Ends.

Hi all! THis is my first time on this board (I'm really only on the fan fic). But as I was reading the posts of above I came across something...there is a "making of P&P[2]" tape???? How could I have missed this??? can some one tell me where to find it??? PLEASE! thanks! I'll forever be indebted to you!

Hi Liz...glad to have you on this board...stick around. Do you live in the US? The Jennifer Ehle Lending Library has "The Making of P&P" (Actually, called "P&P from Page to Screen)in NTSC formatted for US televisions.We'll be glad to lend it to you. Email me if you are interested.

Evelyn, good for you!!! You really do check with all the web pages. Must put another Hawaiian essay on mine to keep it alive! Welcome, Liz! Go up to 113 and choose a keepsake to tend for Darcy, Lizzie, or other CF permutations!

Evelyn, I would LOVE to borow the making of P&P2 tape as well! what do i have to do? SBR

(SRRobinson) I would LOVE to borrow the making of P&P2 tape as well! Email me....first come....:-)

Hello, SBR, Sorry I did not get to talk to you over the weekend. Perhaps next thime?! Are you flooding, or is that north of you?

Hi Marcia! I just posted a "weather" report over on 113- but i'm fine. :) no flooding. lots of rain though- How's David holding up? Next weekend definately! :)

High and dry, thankfully. He's into WX and has gadgets to monitor it. He was the one who told me and sent me the warning he found from the Ca. water board. Thanks for asking =) Did see your message on 113. Interesting antipodal postings!

Ooof! Scotland! Love it!!! I saw on 116. Wonderful. Must talk on the weekend for sure! And how lucky for you to have a firthette in your family. My family thinks I'm totally weird since he is just a bit older than son David. Funny, I do not think of CF that way =). Perhaps that is why I am firthst and foremost a Darcy Drooler.

I have been re-viewing the P&P tapes. A nice way to spend these cold evenings. I know we've rehashed so many of the scenes but since there are so many newer people posting lately, I thought they might like to bring some of their thoughts into the conversation. This scene always bothers me each time I see it though it's one of my absolute favorites. In the drawing room at Netherfield (tape 1) when Lizzy exclaims she is not a great reader, then shortly after Darcy mentions another accomplishment ladies should have..."in the improvement of her mind by extensive reading. In the series, Lizzy clearly thinks this is a slap. She quickly responds to the effect that Darcy's lofty requirements are too much for any woman to attain. It is clear to me that Darcy me nt it as a compliment. Apparently Lizzie is so convinced by this time that everything he says is meant as a dig to her and her family that she can't see a compliment when he gives it to her. It's an excellent scene, of course, but I want to shake Elizabeth for not comprehending. And for not noticing that powerfully sexy stare he's giving her after her "impertinence". Then at the Netherfield ball, Lizzy and Darcy's dance...I love watching the people standing to the side watching the dancers and talking among themselves. How come no one notices who Elizabeth is dancing with? Mrs. Bennet must only have eyes for Jane and Bingley and is not aware her other daughter is dancing with one of the richest men in the country. Surely she'd quickly overcome her distaste for the man if she thought Elizabeth had a chance. Mr. Collin watches her but the importance of this dance ce tainly escapes him. That old matchmaker, Mr. Lucas, is the only one who seems to notice. Another thing during the dance, Lizzy and Darcy are so wrapped up in each other, they're almost rude to their other partners when the dance steps require they are part of a foursome. The other partners nod or smile when they all come together, but L & D are so wrapped up in their thrust and parry, they are oblivious to all else. Any comments on the above or anything else are welcome.

Heide, i agree that Lizzy thinks he's insulting her with the improvement of her mind comment and with your observation that she's already made up her mind that his comments will always be a dig at her and/or her family. i got this impression even more in reading the book, than i did in watching the movie. And that stare he gives her!!! Hello! how does she keep from melting into one big Lizzy puddle on that yellow couch? now, it just so happens, i was watching tape one last night (yes i know... you're all shocked) :) ...and i noticed something i never had before. At the Meryton Assembly Rooms, when Lizzy over hears Darcy saying she was tolerable, etc. As she stands up to make her way to Charlotte, there's a man standing behind her wearing a yellow waistcoat, he's holding something (not a pipe) and belowing smoke out of his mouth. Has anyone else seen this, or know what the heck it is? i was driving my mom crazy cause i ept rewinding, and watching - rewinding, and watching - trying to figure it out. SBR

Hello! This is my 1st posting here(but I've been observing for some time) In reply to Heide, I also wonder why when Darcy and Lizzy dance nobody sees them! It seems that they're all "blind"! I expect that people should be staring at them instead of chatting and gossiping in their own ways without giving a glance to the very unusual pair! I think I've seen that "yellow man", but I never pay much attention to him. Will watch the vid tomorrow morning and see if I could come up anything. Most probably I'll be as confused as you, trying, in vain, to figure it out! My most fave part is definitely the part when Lizzy and Darcy meet in the garden of Pemberley. It's just awesome and I always repeating that part for many times which irritates my sister VERY much! She's often so fed up that she walks away! I saw you guys mentioning the vid of the making of P&P2. I would really love to know more about that. Can anyone tell me more? I'm living in a very deserted place where I can get nothing of or about P&P2(except they shown the series 3 years ago). Would love to watch that "Making of P&P2" vid. Giz

Hello GiGi and welcome! :) I'm relatively new here at Drool myself, and have found everyone to be simply wonderful. I currently have the 'making of P&P2' video and i'm enjoying it very much indeed. :) You'll have to email Evelyn when she gets back from London about getting your hands on it next. I concur with your favorite moment of P&P2- (although there are several i flip back and forth between, depending on my mood) Actually that was the first scene i ever saw. I was fipping through channels one day and i passed this gorgeous guy stripping next to a lake. I thought:'i dont know what the heck this is... but i bet its gonna be good!' I was more than slightly annoyed when the show ended a few minutes later. i didnt see it again till more than a year later, when a friend of mine brought the six tap s over for me to watch. i was about 10 mins in, when i suddenly realized it was the same movie and blurted out: "this is that movie where he dives in a lake and then meets that girl, isnt it?" i've been addicted ever sence. :) anyway... let me know what you think about the guy in the yellow wasitcoat. glad you delurked! SBR

I was fipping through channels one day and i passed this gorgeous guy stripping next to a lake. I thought:'i dont know what the heck this is... but i bet its gonna be good!' What a fortuitous moment for you. Too bad you didn't tune in the next day (or the next week) to get the LOOK scene when Lizzy's playing the piano. But all worked out well since you saw it eventually. You've given me yet another reason to watch the tape again. A man in yellow smoking a pipe? I confess I've never seen. Gigi, so glad you posted! I hope you'll stay awhile. My most fave part is definitely the part when Lizzy and Darcy meet in the garden of Pemberley. Perhaps my favorite too...but there are so many. Love the way the music builds to a crescendo. Such a climax.

Hello!! SBR, you're right. Everyone seems to be very friendly and wonderful here. Thanks for telling how to get "the Making of P&P2" vid. I'll email Evelyn when she's back. Just got back from checking the yellow waistcoat man. Well, he seems to be smoking a pipe when Lizzy and Mary are talking about observing and dancing. I think that is just a weird looking pipe. He's also talking to the old lady next to him. But then, when Lizzy walks to Charlotte, that man seems to be smoke a straw like thingy rather than a pipe. It just looks like an extremely long, but thin cigar. I also notice that there's no smoke coming out from the pipe thing at all. It is rather strange, I think. Gigi

The long thin things they smoke are clay pipes. These were quite common especially in the country. You can still find broken pieces scattered in the garden and farm soil all over England. The small head holds only very little tobacco - it wasn't serious smoking then, and at that time still rather unpopular with high society. In the early 19th century, some house owners forbade smoking indoors and sent their smoking guests to the servants' quarters for a puff. I imagine Mr Darcy would do that in Pemberley.

(Heide) Apparently Lizzie is so convinced by this time that everything he says is meant as a dig to her Which speaks to the heart of their conflict. Later in the same evening, Lizzy tells Darcy his character defect is to "hate everybody;" he says hers is to "woefully misunderstand them" (or words to that effect). That Netherfield exchange is one of my favorites as well. It wasn't until my second viewing (on video) until I understood all this. I hadn't read the book so I didn't know the story. I first watched the series during A&E's second showing (2/97). They did 3 episodes on a Saturday and the rest the next day. I think the show ran until midnight that Saturday and I was falling asleep. I missed the whole Rosings thing. It wasn't until 'the LOOK' the next day that I was signed, sealed and fully delivered. And here I am, two years later! I didn't notice the smoking. Will check next time.

"...wilfully to misunderstand them."

Thanks Arami, i knew somebody here would know what was up with the smoke! :)

In Darcy's case it's steam, not smoke...

Hot...Smoldering steam...

SBR, you are quite right. A little local color, the gent with the yellow waistcoat smoking the little clay pipe. There are all sorts of curious people in the background at the assembly - some quite potted by the looks of it =)

What always grabbed my attention in the past was that the men were all short with v. bad wigs! Read that their height was important to make Darcy appear taller. Guess 6'1 wasn't enough!

Darcy and his ilk were not wearing wigs. Why did the good men of Meryton not seek to emulate their betters. Is that not what fashion is all about? Or were they hopelessly behind the times?

No, I meant that P&P2's hairstylists might have done a bit better. It's one of the few criticisms I have about the production.

In the early 19th older men, especially those living in the country, had preference for earlier styles - breeches, stockings, powdered wigs, - whilst younger men would naturally follow the new trends: long pantaloons or trousers, and no wigs. Instead it became very fashionable to sport a full head of rich curls, and since not everyone was appropriately blessed by Mother Nature in quite the same way as Mr Darcy and Mr Bingley, every morning lots of gentlemen had their hair elaborately styled by their vale s using hot curling tongs.

True, but Uncle Gardiner and Mr Bennet did not wear wigs. Neither did Charlotte's father, for that matter, and he thought he was elevated in class. Makes me wonder who got the better curling iron, the men or the women?!

IMO the production spent more time (for obvious reasons) on the speaking characters' hair than on the extras. Take a look next time you watch P&P2's assembly and ball scenes.

Uncle Gardiner and Mr Bennet were forward-looking older men... slightly "Dickensian" in appearance, I'd say.

Yes, and yes! They obviously spent (low budget that it must have been)less on the extras than on the focal characters, but until I nit-picked it, I had not noticed. Actually, it was absolute months and months before I noticed anything but Darcy. It is still a conscious effort to drag my eyes from him! Yes, Dickensian is the word! Indeed they do look like they'd popped out of David Copperfield!

I thought I had nit-picked enough until I read the "Did you Notice" section at Yvette's P&P Paradise (link is available at firth.com) I missed almost all of what's on the list. I've lost count of how many times I've watched this--something like 15 in two years. I did what you did through most viewings, Marcia. He is rather captivating!

Thanks, Eileen, I'll check when I am finished here. I ended up with Darcy pics everywhere printed out from the jpegs. I said it gave new meaning to Computer Wallpaper =P My PC also started Windows to the theme from P&P2 and closed them with the end of the credits music. All of my Email notices and other computer noises were all his quotes. Amazing!!! Of course, he was my PC Wallpaper, too

Was? Were? So who is it now, then, huh?

(Arami)Was? Were? So who is it now, then, huh?Was? Were? So who is it now, then, huh? Well, it is in there hiding. He still announces my mail, says "hang on, Hang on!" whenever I do something the PC does not like, but with W95, I cannot stand all those icons others must have there all over his tiled pix. I am working on it...I shall not be deterred. Just have to be a little more subtle.

If it is not CF, it is not done! Period! Darcy goes back up directly!

Marcia- i have W95 and would love to have Darcy speaking to me, and decorating my screen. When you have everything to your liking- will you email me instructions on how to do it? (remembering of course that i am hopelessly techno challenged) If i can figure out how to do it, i can start secretly 'sabotageing' the PCs at work. Anything to promote the DB! :)

Count on it =) I have wav files and bmp files. The latter you use for wallpaper. I shall send you my fav montage. if you want any others I can send them, too. AS SOON AS THE IDIOTS AT HAWAII ON LINE GET MY EMAIL UPA DN RUNNING. They were to have completed their upgrading the system by 6am. It is now 1pm and I still cannot get or send Eamil. However I will tell you to go into your icon called "explore windows". all sort of manila folders are in there. Make a new one (highlight C: and go to File at top, then new then folder. Name it P&P2 or Darcy. Put all the stuff I am sending you in there.

BTW, SBR, have my tape recorder all loaded for tomorrow's SiL viewing =)) I'll get your song for you.

Thanks Marcia! Your so sweet. I am still dying with laughter over the 'come to bed' clip. I woke up my cat i was laughing so hard. :)

Oh good, they got there! I am in chat with you and you are not hitting the reload button.

come back!!! I am in chat SBR

I am back in chat again and again. waiting

Wav.files, Marcia?I'm interested too!

I have all sorts of them. I shall send one at a time as they take a while to up-and-download. Do you want just the speaking ones or do you also want the theme and very end of P&P2's music? To open and close Windows, of course! will send some straight away.

Gi, they are on their way via AOL. Tell me what other sorts you'd like to have.

Thank you, Marcia, I think I'm downloading them now... But the stupid connection crashes all the time! Did you get the pic I sent you?

It is here and I am absolutely thrilled to have a live CF picture. Thanks so much. I am all smiles and happiness right now.

Did a power viewing of P&P the other night. Oh, that Mr. Darcy (who is that actor who plays him?) We often talk about scenes we wish they would have included. This time I thought of how I would have changed the scenes if I had been the director. For instance: Don't you wish when Lizzy and Darcy are taking their final walk Darcy would have taken off his hat? It was such a windy day, wouldn't the scene be more affecting to see those curls blowing as he tells her his feelings and wishes have not changed. Give him a more boyish look since he's at his most vulnerable. When he comes to call at Hunsford when Mrs. Collins and Maria have gone to the village, don't you wish they had pulled their chairs closer to each other. I suppose from that long shot we're supposed to see the distance between them but I hate that at some moments, practically all I can see of Darcy are his legs and nose. And when he comes upon her at Pemberley after his dip. Why didn't he undo all three of his buttons? That last one is just straining to come undone and I just want to reach into that telly and oblige it. Please know that I'm just kidding. The production is near perfection but I've seen it too many times.

Heide, I have wished he never had that hat on all through the movie. He should have removed it and placed it over his heart. Oh Yeah!!!

Why didn't he undo all three of his buttons? Oh yes, WHY, WHY?? ---------Maybe to make us want to undo them, the strained one at least! You know, the movie is so clever in all its subtle sexy hints that this button thing might also be very carefully planned. Actually it�s much sexier this way, showing more of his chest would just ruin the thrill, at least for me it would. He�s supposed to be vulnerable in this episode....and at the same time you�re allowed to see what a desirable thing he is.

After pondering the button opening problem I have come to the conclusion that knowing how powerfully effective his presence would be on us; in the living rooms of the world, in front of dogs, cats, birds, relatives, small children and husbands who just would not understand it was probably prudent that they left those buttons just the way they were. Every woman with eyes could see, in Elena's words, what a desirable thing his is!!! Whew!

(Marcia) He should have removed it (hat) and placed it over his heart. Oh Yeah!!! Lovely effect. That hat sometimes gave his face a squashed appearance. I so prefer him without it especially when that errant lock of hair falls onto the forehead. And don't you wish instead of Lizzy saying, "in fact, they're quite the opposite." she would have said, "in fact, I've fallen in love with you." Yes, I know that would be very bold but JA never does tell us exactly what Lizzy says. Hmmm, yes, Elena and Marcia, I suppose you've given valid reasons for keeping that last button closed on his wet shirt. We all would have come undone had it been released. Don't you wish when Darcy comes across Lizzy walking muddied across the fields to Netherfield and he smirkingly gestures for her to go before him, that he would have just stopped for a moment or two longer and watched her walk away from him, giving her an appraising look from behind?

(Heide)I suppose you've given valid reasons for keeping that last button closed on his wet shirt Alas, 'Twas only a reason they did it, not my choice at all. Sigh upon sigh!!! He was so incredibly beautiful striding across the flatland before descending to the lake to meet up with Lizzie. When my hair gets wet, I look like a drown rat! He looks so incredibly...(put your own word here)...!!!

(Heide)Don't you wish when Darcy comes across Lizzy walking muddied across the fields to Netherfield and he smirkingly gestures for her to go before him, that he would have just stopped for a moment or two longer and watched her walk away from him, giving her an appraising look from behind? Oh, I think he drank her all in...slurp,slurp. The guy was drooling. *** How I wish they would have published a screenplay of P&P.

(Heide) The production is near perfection But it is still debatable how near... ;-)

(Heide) Don't you wish when Lizzy and Darcy are taking their final walk Darcy would have taken off his hat? In this scene, I'm always dying for Lizzy to take his arm as they continue to walk down the road. After he makes his "Dearest, lovliest Elizabeth" speech it just cries out to me that they need a gesture of their increased intimacy. Just a small, proper gesture, mind you ;-) And I will fall asleep tonight thinking of that straining button. Phew!

(Jana) After he makes his "Dearest, lovliest Elizabeth" speech it just cries out to me that they need a gesture of their increased intimacy. Just a small, proper gesture, mind you ;-) I know exactly what you mean. He doesn't even hold her hand. They continue to walk down the road with arms hanging listlessly at their sides. That's why I always wished they did the scenes after the engagement in the movie, where Lizzy asks Darcy when he fell in love with her. I think you would have seen a little more intimacy of looks at least between them, especially as she teases him mercilessly.

(Karen) I know exactly what you mean. He doesn't even hold her hand. They continue to walk down the road with arms hanging listlessly at their sides. Oh yes, I agree. Back when I first saw it, I remember thinking "he's not going to kiss her? But they *have* to kiss!" I imagine it was done purposely to keep the tension until that rather benign post-nuptial kiss; in JA's time it would not have been at all proper. Left me feeling rather high and dry, though! ...where Lizzy asks Darcy when he fell in love with her Yes, good one. Another missing scene I would have liked to see was at Rosings, when Lizzy kept meeting Darcy on her walks. In one encounter he asks her "a series of odd, unconnected questions." That would have been fun! (Evelyn) Oh, I think he drank her all in...slurp,slurp. The guy was drooling. Isn't this the scene in which Andrew Davies gave Colin a particular stage direction? ;-)

No, I believe that was The Look scene at Pemberley.

Hmm, not according to Bridget Jones' interview (if that can be believed)! There was something about Lizzy being all sweaty... ;-D

(Evelyn) Oh, I think he drank her all in...slurp,slurp. The guy was drooling. Isn't this the scene in which Andrew Davies gave Colin a particular stage direction? ;-) No, I believe that was The Look scene at Pemberley. I always thought it was after his bath as he is gazing out the window. ***** (Eileen)There was something about Lizzy being all sweaty... ;-D When was Lizzy sweaty...don't remember that.

(Evelyn)When was Lizzy sweaty...don't remember that. Sure you do. It was when had she has hiked 3 miles!!! to see Jane at Netherfield. She arrived with a dirty petticoat and just oozing pheramones. Only the men noted how wonderful she looked and the "ladies" noted the dirt!

(Marcia) She arrived with a dirty petticoat and just oozing pheramones. Only the men noted how wonderful she looked and the "ladies" noted the dirt! Oh yes!! Love the way it's described in the book "The Making...." Andrew Davies says she arrives "she's so full of whatever chemicals are released by healthful exercise and the chaps unconsciously respond to it." Bingley: I thought she looked remarkably well Darcy: her eyes were brightened by the exercise. Oh dear, I made a mistake in my button counting. He only has his top button undone when wet at Pemberley. He really could have undone that second one (ala after writing the letter to Lizzy at Rosings) and still kept the third one closed. I demand a re-shoot!

Bingley: I thought she looked remarkably well Darcy: her eyes were brightened by the exercise. Only I bet he wasn't just lookin' at her eyes :-)

(Haide). He really could have undone that second one (ala after writing the letter to Lizzy at Rosings) and still kept the third one closed. I demand a re-shoot! LOL. Heide...we know a thing or two about tidal waves out here and you do not want to risk that in the living room. Closed space and all. Frighten the dogs and small children! But, he would have been fantastic striding with that second button undone. Oh gasp! Pant...drooling copiously just thinking how (loss for words) he looked anyway in that scene!!! (Evelyn)Only I bet he wasn't just lookin' at her eyes, LOL again! When *did* he look at just her eyes. It seems that each time he saw her he reacquainted himself with every detail of her anatomy that he could...and noticed the eyes, too, eventually!

(Eileen) Hmm, not according to Bridget Jones' interview (if that can be believed)! Well, HF said at her book signing that she really interviewed him... Maybe she stretched the truth a bit, though :-).

(Jana)Well, HF said at her book signing that she really interviewed him... Yes, I read that over at 80 (I think that's the right number). HF was pretending to be BJ and CF was pretending to be FD. I would have paid money to be there (EG as EG!!). My prior speculation about which scene it was: those mentioned above (bath, *look*). I thought it might have been their verbal volleyball at Netherfield, when they're talking about eachother's weaknesses. Hmm, bet there was more than one!! I'm gonna have to watch this again!

(Eileen)My prior speculation about which scene it was: those mentioned above (bath, *look*). I thought it might have been their verbal volleyball at Netherfield, when they're talking about each other's weaknesses. Hmm, bet there was more than one!! LOL. To be sure, Mr. Darcy didn't need Viagra!!

Eileen, when you go checking for the "likely" scenes, and if you have slo-mo on your playback, check out his look when he is espying her from the sidelines at the Netherfield Ball as she is escorted into the room by Wickham's friend. There is definitely something going on. I have seen that look!!! Poor Darcy, if someone had slipped him Viagra, we should not have torn our eyes away yet!

I know the look you mean, Marcia--the slight double take. It's one of my rewind moments! If Darcy took Viagra, he would have exploded. Darcy is Viagra!

Oh Yea verily!!!! The man is indeed Viagra...he works for me!!! How clever you are this morning, my dear =)

Yup, the old double take at Netherfield is it. And in super slo-mo there is a range of facial distortions only made a certain times by men. He is doing a good job of "pretending"...Awesome!!!

I loved catching up on all your "straining " posts, and having also discovered Eileen's fabulous COTTAGE fanfic, it is enough to send a girl running to whip out her video forthwith.

Did anyone else feel compelled to watch it again asap after their Donmar experience? I couldn't really believe that we had really met Darcy at all and soon slipped back to my old approach when watching it. However I really did identify so much more with the way he MOVED as Darcy ( not that it hadn't registered enormously before!!) but it is the way he uses his body, and that seemed to me to be the link with what i had seen on stage. One of my favourites is when he happens on Lizzie at Netherfield after she has walked over to see how Jane is. He walks ahead of her in that wonderful long coat and the loose, long limbed way he moves,the effect heightened by the garment, seems just vaguely familiar to me. it is one of the things I love best about his acting.

(Lizza)...long limbed way he moves, That Darcy walk was v. apparent with Walker in 3 DOR when he ran up the stairs ( as in Rosings aft the 1st proposal) and walked with the long strides (as at Pemberley). I found a lot of Darcy mannerisms (probably CF mannerisms) in 3 DOR. On Friday night when K& I were waiting for him to arrive, I immediately recognized the long strides he took from the taxi to the lobby and the back of his head.We found him casually looking at the photos in the lobby. BTW, did Renate succeed in getting the lobby photos? I bet the photographer would give them to thecolinfirth.com website. They like to have their work on the web.

(Eileen) If Darcy took Viagra, he would have exploded. (Lizza) I really did identify so much more with the way he MOVED as Darcy ...but it is the way he uses his body, Good Lord, girls. I know you don't mean to but you're getting me all hot and bothered. There are Darcy mannerisms in every film I've ever seen him in (except for Camille, Evelyn :-P)and they were noticeable on stage too. But as someone said earlier (Karen?), we realize now they're Colin's mannerisms. And to think then how much of Mr. Darcy is Colin. Though he would deny it, the devil. (Evelyn) On Friday night when K& I were waiting for him to arrive, I immediately recognized the long strides he took from the taxi to the lobby and the back of his head. I can still hear you say oh so quietly, "There he is!". Gives me chills. Karen and I were chattering away and probably would have missed him completely but never that stride.

(Heide)There are Darcy mannerisms in every film I've ever seen him in and they were noticeable on stage too. But as someone said earlier (Karen?), we realize now they're Colin's mannerisms. And to think then how much of Mr. Darcy is Colin. Though he would deny it, the devil. Absolutely. If he only knew that we know him better than he knows himself ;-)

(Heidi) Don't you wish when Lizzy and Darcy are taking their final walk Darcy would have taken off his hat? It was such a windy day, wouldn't the scene be more affecting to see those curls blowing as he tells her his feelings and wishes have not changed. I couldnt agree more! I'm such a sucker for those gorgeous curls! And I'm now off to fight traffic and rush home to watch tape 2 (or one scene inparticular) in slowmo! Thanks for the tip Marcia!

SBR you have identified the one bit that bugs me ENORMOUSLY in the whole production. The aerial shot after the proposal might well have been done BEFORE of the 4 of them walking up the lane. Not only is there no hat off but they are so far apart from each other that you could drive a coach and horses between them, it is totally unrealistic. I have simmered about this for years, honestly what were Simon and Andrew thinking of?

That is coupled with the fact that some of my favouite exchanges in the book were cut out, in fact from then (proposal scene) until the Wedding, so much that i adore never appears in the script. Still you can't have everything in life as WE know!!!

I would have liked included the dinner at Longbourn, why would they omit it?

So they could put in the bits that JA never wrote!!!

But, Ladies!! You would not be so compelled to write those lovely stories if Jane Austen had filled in all the gaps. There are sequels she could have written to keep her in tea and scones for the rest of her life! But, I would not have the pleasure of knowing the author as well as I know you =) The thing I did notice as they walked on after the proposal and the arial shots was that his arm and her arm were brushing by eachother when before they had walked with their arms behind them. I guess that was all they were going to allow us - we who fervently wished for a hat removal and a chaste lip kiss to seal their love. **!sigh!**

You would not be so compelled to write those lovely stories if Jane Austen had filled in all the gaps. Poor JA, I don't think she knew how to fill in the gaps!! (At least in the matter we've filled them ;-D )

She probably could have guessed at the gaps, but our Ladies are Soooo good at filling in the gasps =D THAT, JA would most likely not have known anything about!

--Oh, you might be surprised what those spinsters were aware of in those days!! --To me, one of the most serious omissions of the series (because it's so funny)was the abrupt about-face Mrs. Bennett makes re: Darcy--from totally detesting him to singing his wonderful attributes--once she realises that that impressive ten-thousand-a-year will soon be part of the family. I had truly been looking forward to that...and was sore disappointed!!

I believe they did film them kissing after his proposal on their walk. After he says: If it had not been for you my.... but they decided to edit it out. They wanted to save the big kiss for the end. Maybe they will put together all the edited pieces to the original once a big P&P2 anniversay comes round. :-D

Your right KJArt, I also wanted that scene with Mrs. Bennet.

Well, we all know that they saved the kiss because it was the climax of the whole series. What they didn't realize was we wanted to see more than one kiss!!! Still and all, they could have done with some actual contact. Why couldn't she at least have taken his arm after his second proposal? There's so little contact, we get all dizzy when they accidentally bump into each other as they continue their walk. See, we don't ask for much. That scene you mention, Moon, "if it had not been for you...", that would have been the perfect spot for a kiss. He's looking at her so intently and almost stops walking, ducks his head just a bit as she looks up at him. Then she coyloy drops her eyes and the moment is lost. That was it!

LOL! You girls want more (and who doesn�t, I agree with everything above about the obvious missing scenes and deeds) but if there was more sex in P&P, it would not be such an utterly sexy movie!! It deliberately leaves you longing for something ;-) and having to fantasize the rest. When I watched it the firth time I really was disappointed with the second proposal and that idle walking along the lane, I felt the episode was not very good, it left me cold. I still think it could have been a bit better, it lacks WARMTH. Btw, who says there was a kiss that was cut off later?? Seems unlikely, I think the whole episode is carefully planned to keep all passion under cover and only in the minds of the audience.

--The warm exchanges AFTER the engagement could have supplied a certain measure of satisfaction that they were settling into one another...they let that go too. And my favorite reference to Darcy "really loving the Gardners" to illustrate his reform from prideful attitudes wouldn't have hurt, either!

I'm not talking about sex, Elena, I'm talking about a kiss! Now I don't mean that a kiss was cut out (though I'd love to see what was left on the cutting room floor). But it almost looks at that moment that if she would have kept his eye for another second, he just might have leaned over for one. Written into the script? Or just a fanciful notion? Watch for yourselves. -The warm exchanges AFTER the engagement could have supplied a certain measure of satisfaction Yes indeedy..and my favorite line is taken out. When Elizabeth asks him when he fell in love with her he says, "I was in the middle before I knew I had begun." I love that line - so romantic. So from Davies' viewpoint, when do you think Darcy was in the middle of loving her before he knew he had begun?

(Heide)So from Davies' viewpoint, when do you think Darcy was in the middle of loving her before he knew he had begun? "On foot?" would be my guess ;-) but I'd have to go watch the whole thing again. What a happy thought! :-)

(Heide), I'm not talking about sex, Elena, I'm talking about a kiss! Now I don't mean that a kiss was cut out (though I'd love to see what was left on the cutting room floor). But it almost looks at that moment that if she would have kept his eye for another second, he just might have leaned over for one. Written into the script? Or just a fanciful notion? Watch for yourselves. I agree, and I believe it is stated in the book the Making of P&P, that they did shot a scene(the very one here), at that moment he did kiss her, but it was edited out. The DVD P&P version someone at VV says is 12 min. longer. I wonder... So from Davies' viewpoint, when do you think Darcy was in the middle of loving her before he knew he had begun? When she leaves Netherfield and he looks out at the carriage, the expression on his face said quite a lot.

So from Davies' viewpoint, when do you think Darcy was in the middle of loving her before he knew he had begun? Hmm, good question. It would have to be sometime at Netherfield. "On foot?"--Too early. "They were brightened by the exercise?" or the "perfect woman" argument? or the "yours is to willfully misunderstand them" debate?--Perhaps. Since we're specifically talking about Daviesviewpoint, I'll wager it's when he looked out the window after his bath.

So from Davies' viewpoint, when do you think Darcy was in the middle of loving her before he knew he had begun? Since he can't remember when it started,.. has to be sometime during Netherfield....IMO (unconsciously) when he says:Ref. to Georgianna "She's about as tall as Miss Elizabeth Bennett".

"The middle" is a highly reletive term. But as they played the Andrew Davies script, it is at Sir Wm. Lucas' party...That stare after her "fine eyes"--it was enough for me to spontaneously exclaim "GOTTCHA!!!" at the screen--that definitely demarked the starting point...

In "Picture the Scene" by Andrew Davies from the London Times 15 Sept 1995 he says it is when, after their very first meeting and he makes disparaging remarks about her which she overhears, he does a double take as she walks by. I think that is when he first fell for her, but was eagerly underway to the point of pain upon her leaving Netherfield with Jane after Jane's recovery. He was all hers from then on! (IMHO, of course!)

Whoops!! Re the kiss, there was SO much fuss here about the number of retakes they had to do in the carriage for the kiss and that our DB did "seem" flustered by the end, it was only then that crew etc realised something was going on with CF and JE. I am inclined to think it was just convienient publicity material!!

BTW I once nearly married Sir Wm Lucas' nephew, and for some years counted it as a lucky escape, however when P&P came out I realised that he would have had his uses after all!!!

( Lizza)BTW I once nearly married Sir Wm Lucas' nephew, Wow . Nice to know people in high places!!!Did he look like Sir William?? **** The Kiss: In an interview Colin said not true...about the 30 takes and "bruised lips". **** At the Red Lion Inn Assembly:... he does a double take as she walks by...I think that is when he first fell for her, I thought he did a double take because he didn't realize she had overheard him and her cheeky look gave him every indication that she had!! You really think it was love at first sight...before she even spoke to him...insulted him...fought with him?

I'd be willing to say that he was falling for her when she gave him that cheeky look but he'd never call it love. Actually, I don't think he realized he was in love until Rosings and by then he was already "in the middle" of it. I think he fought it all the time at Netherfield - thought this fancy would pass when he was away from her. Then bang - he sees her again and he realizes he's completely lost. I'll date it at the piano scene. Lizza, do tell more about Sir William's nephew!! Did you ever meet Sir WIlliam himself? ;-)

(Heide)..I don't think he realized he was in love until Rosings I think you are correct, Heide. And they were at Rosings for a month or two...weren't they? They would have met often at Lady Catherine's,he did viist her and we know he stalked her on her walks.

(Heide)..I don't think he realized he was in love until Rosings. I see your point. That's when he knew he was in love, although it began much earlier. One look at Darcy during their first meeting in Kent (at the parsonage, when Mr. Collins is prattling on and Colonel Fitzwilliam is talking to Lizzy) and you can tell. I read it was at Rosings when Darcy began a period of "pursuing and rejecting her at the same time."

at the parsonage, when Mr. Collins is prattling on and Colonel Fitzwilliam is talking to Lizzy Up to that time no one else had been interested in Lizzy and at Rosings, he must have noticed that Colonel Fitzwilliam paid an inordinate amount of attention to her.And she to him.Nothing like a little competition to spur a guy on!

IMHO...1) She acquired his interest at the Meryton dance. 2) He was already hooked at Sir Wm. Lucas' party beyond the point of no return...he just spent the rest of the time between that and Rosings in denial and self-delusion. 3) I'm sure Col. Fitzwilliam's interest spurred his determination to face up to it at last and yield to this irresistible attraction.

Precisely Right, My dear Karen J.

There was an interesting thread at ROP a week or two back. I would have posted my thoughts because it was a cute topic and piqued my interest but it had already run its course by the time I saw it. It went something like this...why are the men so godawful ugly at the Meryton assembly? Actually it seems like all the Meryton men are missing some genes somewhere. Is it to make Darcy, Bingley, Wickham even more desirable? What do you think and who are some of your favorite dancers at the local parties? Is it any wonder Charlotte was an old maid considering her choices? Who in the world would Jane and Elizabeth have married if the rich folk hadn't come to town?

(Heide)...why are the men so godawful ugly at the Meryton assembly Just the men? Women too...'cept for Lizzie:-) (I'm ducking...you'll never get me...nevah!)

Actually it seems like all the Meryton men are missing some genes somewhere. Is it to make Darcy, Bingley, Wickham even more desirable? LOL! Most definitely. Also, the men had to be short to make Darcy appear taller (in the book JA makes him sound like a giant).

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Not only do I wish the screenplay had been published, but also a video of all the outtakes. I can only imagine what ended up on the editing room floor-exactly how many smouldering looks did we miss. I always thought the engagement to the wedding was much too rushed. It's almost like they put it together and found it was getting to be too long so they just decided to not piut in a bunch of scenes at the end. I really miss the wonderful scenes and dialog from the book that relate to their engagment. In addition to the screenplay and out-takes I think some poseable figures would have been nice.:-)) The marketing people really missed a money-making opportunity. Hum.......maybe some Lizzy and Darcy dress-up dolls........the possiblities seem endless.

In addition to the screenplay and out-takes I think some poseable figures would have been nice. LOL!!! You are SO right! :) I can see it now, "Lizzy and Darcy action figures- collect them all!" And of course, doll houses in the shape of Longbourn and Pemberly (where else would they live?) You know, this has real potential! Maybe someone should contact MacDonald and we could see if we can get them into Happy Meals or something :)

(S B Robinson)Maybe someone should contact MacDonald and we could see if we can get them into Happy Meals or something :) LOL! I'd become a hamburger and coke addict in two days!

Can you imagine the shattered decorum of MacDonald's as one too many Darcy fans get yet another Mr Collins and Wickham? Perhaps in a town such as Hilo which has more than one outlet, let the Wickham/Lydia fans go to the one decked out as an unmade bed in dingiest London, and the Fans of the Merytonians get the homely dolls with the awful wigs in a shop adorned with horse-troughs and muddy streets, etc. Think of the price wars as the Darcy shop outsells hamburgers 100 to one of the others, and some go en irely without sales at all! BTW, Is there a fan page for Wickham and Lydia? Or, ala Barbie and Ken, we can do Lizzie and Darcy with houses, horses, servants, ponds, carriages and relatives sold separately?! SBR, you have piqued my tired little imagination!

I love the Lizzy and Darcy as Ken and Barbie idea, then they can dressed and undressed them at will-maybe act out some of fanfic at #34. :-)) The thought of all those outfits and all those accessories,makes me heart beat faster. I miss my Barbie days. Unfortunately, I only have sons. They like sports and dirt.

(Sue)I miss my Barbie days. Unfortunately, I only have sons. They like sports and dirt. I know...I know! Been there and had the same dirt and sports! But they are cute =)

when SO hurries one, that is what happens. Sorry!

(Sue)I miss my Barbie days. Unfortunately, I only have sons. They like sports and dirt. ROTFLOL! How adorable...having no kids of my own, I'm always fascinated by the most trivial aspects of their lives--adventures in dirt included! BTW, a former Prof. of mine (a well-known scholar in masculinity and sports studies) was elated when his 5 year old son declared he wanted a Barbie doll. It was practically a ceremony, going to the store, standing in an aisle of Barbies, deciding which one was going to make it home. Anyway, my Prof. said that the very first second his son took the Barbie outside to play, the neighborhood bully (ooohh, I hated them) promptly humiliated the little boy in front of the other kids. He was much too embarrassed o take it out after that. The Barbie is probably now at the bottom of the toy bin, collecting dust.

(Marica) Can you imagine the shattered decorum of MacDonald's as one too many Darcy fans get yet another Mr Collins and Wickham? LOL!! i was totally thinking that right after i posted my MacDonalds idea! :) I know I would throw a complete fit if I got Mr. Collins instead of Darcy in my Happy Meal! :)

(SBR) know I would throw a complete fit if I got Mr. Collins instead of Darcy in my Happy Meal! :) They would be required to rename it The Seriously Displeased Meal I AM sorry about the Barbie doll episode. Druther marry the kid who wanted the doll when he grows up than those with the bully problems. The Bullies tend to take their childishness out on their wives! But, that little guy sounds like a winner, bottom of dustbin or not!

LOL, Sue, SBR and Marcia! (Sue) Unfortunately, I only have sons. They like sports and dirt. My brother and his GI Joe (do they still make that?) used to regularly pull the head off my Barbie doll (among other things). (Sue)also a video of all the outtakes. What an idea! Are you out there, Sue B?

Oh for a snappy. I watched part of P&P last night. What can I say...no date. I practically burned up my pause button. Do you realize you could have a whole photo album of fantastic Darcy shots if you could snappy every frame? There are still freezeframes of him I've not noticed before. My alltime favorite is when he comes across Lizzy walking to Netherfield. "Would you be so kind as to take me to her?" He looks at her quizzically for a moment and then turns to the side gesturing with his arm. The looks on his face here are priceless. He's toying with her, smirking, enjoying her discomfort and enjoying her appearance. Someone once said Colin's Darcy never smiles though he does smile in the book. I contend Colin's smiling here. A close second is the twin to this scene when they bump into each other at Pemberley. Just getting snappies of each of his subtle facial movements would be a lesson in how to show embarrassment. Is it too early to put a snappy on my Christmas list?

Oooh, Heide, it is never to early to begin a Christmas list! Snappy is on mine, too =) One of my all time fav places to freeze then march slowly through the frames is when he is lakeside undoing his shirt. His face shows all the passion and deep thought connected with his current problem of winning the affection of Miss Elizabeth Bennet. Too delightful and precious. You want to leap through the screen to hug and kiss him!!! (At least, I do!)

Love the idea of the Lizzy and Darcy dolls, but I think it's lucky for me that such a thing does not exist. My husband thinks my obsession is odd enough and I know I couldn't resist dressing up those dolls :-) I watched some P&P today too and was sighing over the tortured looks FD gives as he's writing his letter to EB. Poor, injured boy. I agree with you, Heide. I love his expression in the "on foot" scene!

(Jana2) I know I couldn't resist dressing up those dolls LOL ! I was thinking the same thing, but with the anatomically correct Ken and Barbie...would you not peek?! ;) I adore the way, in "On foot?!" he really gives her a thorough once over with a smirk to end all smirks. It has to be all those pheromones calling to him!

(Marcia) I adore the way, in "On foot?!" he really gives her a thorough once over with a smirk to end all smirks. Yes! And then when he turns to one side to let her pass, he gives her another one. He's blatently admiring this saucy little thing.

(Heide)"Would you be so kind as to take me to her?" He looks at her quizzically for a moment and then turns to the side gesturing with his arm. The looks on his face here are priceless. He's toying with her, smirking, enjoying her discomfort and enjoying her appearance. Someone once said Colin's Darcy never smiles though he does smile in the book. I contend Colin's smiling here. He definitely gives a tight little smile, looks like he wants to grin, but it would be impolite to be so unrestrained. I wonder exactly what Darcy is thinking about Elizabeth -prob. impolite lecherous thoughts ;-)) .

(Sue), I wonder exactly what Darcy is thinking about Elizabeth -prob. impolite lecherous thoughts ;-)) "I would rather take you somewhere else, my dearest, loveliest Elizabeth" ;-)))

(Sue)I wonder exactly what Darcy is thinking about Elizabeth -prob. impolite lecherous thoughts ;-)) . In Andrew Davies' mind, yes, Darcy was indeed thinking impolite thoughts. Remember the mock interview between Bridget Jones and CF? The stage directions for this scene indicated that at that moment, Darcy was to have...er...how shall I put it...not so much a gun in his pants, but something else going on in there. :-D

(Winter) Remember the mock interview between Bridget Jones and CF? The stage directions for this scene indicated that at that moment, Darcy was to have...er...how shall I put it...not so much a gun in his pants, but something else going on in there LOL!! I really have got to read BJD!

SBR: You can find Helen Fielding's Bridget interview of Mr. Darcy at this url: http://hem.passagen.se/lmw/bridget.html This was in The Independent, not in the book, but the book is worth reading as there are several mentions of Darcy/Firth in it.

Oh Karen!!! That was SO Funny! *wiping eyes* I was literally ROTFLMAO!! My co-workers probably think i've totally lost it! :) Thanks a million times! what a treat during a long and boring work day! :)

(Moon) "I would rather take you somewhere else, my dearest, loveliest Elizabeth" ;-))) Precisely! LOL! Her eyes weren't the only thing "brightened by the exercise."

Oh dear, I had never read that interview, it is *so* funny! "What you always wanted to ask Colin Firth but would die before you ask him" :-P

(Gi) "What you always wanted to ask Colin Firth but would die before you ask him" LOL!! All those questions about his Wet Shirt! (How many times did you take it off and on?) :) Absolutely TOO funny!! and when he finally gave up and agreed with her that Mr Darcy was the only real life historical figure he'd ever played- LOL!

Forgot that end tag. It's in and the next time you all come back to the topic it will be OK. No need for everyone to keep trying. Done. :)

The BJD interview is marvellous....I hooted when I first read it! Thanks Karen for spreading the word! Shows CF is very adept at sending himself up...didn't HF comment somewhere that he really entered into the spirit of the "interview". And took her on a tour of Rome. Lucky girl!

Karen, Thanks for posting the picture of the smile. I'm starting to get a hankering to watch P&P again. I think it's been about 8 months and that's a kind of record with me. I was at Sam's Warehouse looking at the books the other day and I looked up a very quickly scanned the next aisle which was videos. All of a sudden my heart starts pounding and I'm not quite sure why. As I slowly rescan,yes, there he is-my darling Darcy with $34.99 sticker slapped on his face. I must never let my husband know that I sprang for the full $100 for the vids. He just would never understand the obession. :-))

Sorry for the various typos in my post, but my heart is still pounding. I'm sure you ladies understand. The thought of Darcy just makes my blood heat up. I think I have a fever.

(Sue) I sprang for the full $100 for the vids You're not alone. I'm certain we all are getting our money's worth! Karen, great snappy. You caught him just at the right time. Insert Moon's interpretation of what he was thinking and viola! I howled when I read BJ's interview. How about their discussion of "erotic?"

(Sue) I was at Sam's Warehouse looking at the books the other day and I looked up a very quickly scanned the next aisle which was videos. All of a sudden my heart starts pounding and I'm not quite sure why. As I slowly rescan, yes, there he is-my darling Darcy with $34.99 sticker slapped on his face. LOL!!! I know exactly what you mean! When I'm shopping at Costco (Cal's version of Sam's) and my family loses me- they know to go look down the 'Darcy isle' where invariably -there I am, starring at that gorgeous man, a look of complete adoration on my face. Then i hear the lecture; "you are not buying another copy of that movie!" (i have two copies currently. one for me, one to lend out!) :)

Ah yes, over here too at Costco. Talk about sticker shock! My Original was $104 but I had a $20 coupon from the store (Suncoast Video), so it cost me, in the end, a bit less than $100. At this price I just might get another and "save" it for when all the others are all streaky from wear and tear and drooling.

I understand the new DVD version of P&P is even better than the VHS one. Anybody see it yet? There was a discussion on the P&P Board about it.

(SBR) they know to go look down the 'Darcy aisle' That is too funny. The Darcy aisle!! And you have two sets of it? I will only lend out the one I taped off of television. So what if those people don't get the other 18 minutes. I couldn't bear to part with my *good* set. That $35 price is pretty tempting and I did get Laura one of those, but if I get another, it will be the DVD. Re: BJ's Interview of Mr. Darcy Bethan originally posted the interview for us at Drool, laboriously typing the whole thing. I loved the differences between Paul Ashworth and Mr. Darcy. "Mr. Darcy is not an Arsenal supporter. He lived nearly 200 years ago. Whereas Mr. Darcy can't even tolerate a country dance."

Evelyn, one of my friends has the DVD version. Her husband went to Costco and bought it for her as a B-day present. The poor (dear) man stood in line for 20 mins holding just that in his hand. He claims to have recieved several odd looks. :) i havent seen it yet, but she told me that it has the BBC/A&E beginning inbetween each hour like the tapes do. I think that's kinda werid, i was rather hoping they would fix the out of order scenes at the end of tape 5 and beginning of tape 6, and just run the whole thing together. Karen, every time i think of that interview i start giggling again! :) How did i miss Bethan's wonderful work? Must have been during my occasional lurking days, before i was so throughly addicted to Drool. :)

I have been lurking for ages but can stand it no more! Just a few a weeks ago I read Bridget Jones....and now have just read the interview! I'm still laughing! I think it's time to watch P&P2 again! Oh, he is just too cute!

(SR Robinson)...one of my friends has the DVD version. Does she see a measurable difference in the quality of the film? In other words....should we go for the $34.at SAm's or spend the extra amount (which will be a lot more!) for the DVD.

Hey AMess...welcome to the Spring group. We love it when new folks join us.. Jump in and give us your comments any ole time. We never tire of hearing Colin-friendly remarks.

Welcome AMess (interesting name, one that hits quite close to home!) Since you've read BJ the book and now the interview, did you read the continuing column at the Telegraph? If not, we can give you instructions on how to get to it. We have a Bridget topic here at Drool. It is #80. Take a look there. We go on and on about who should be cast in the movie, if they ever make it. Evelyn, I heard that the DVD is just like the tapes as SBR only better quality. They didn't go back and add anything as they do for other DVDs. Oh well...

Feel very guilty about putting out the blunt at the time too...especially since they played the full version (sans commercials) on A&E's "Classroom" and I could tape it for free...anyway also made copies of the valuable one and only watch the copies.

(Evelyn) ...should we go for the $34.at SAM's or spend the extra amount (which will be a lot more!) for the DVD. Actually I think the DVD version is only about $5 or $10 more- at least at Costco. will check when i'm there tommrow and let you know. :) My friend doesnt have her own copy of P&P tapes, but she thinks her's is a sharper image than when she watched it at my house. Welcome AMess! Love the name! :)

When I was visiting StefanieB last year, she and I watched all of her versions. She has the original videotapes, Laser Disc and DVD. Unfortunately, Laser disk is great and clear as is the DVD, but you have to watch endings and recaps of the previous episode before each new installment - just like on the six volume tapes. I am quite content with the video, but with the DVD you can hop around like you can on a CD music disk. So it is easier to avoid Mrs Bennet, Mr Wickham and Mr Collins! And to concent ate on ODB, but I do not think there is slo-mo on either of the two more exotic forms. (Correct me if I'm wrong!!!)

you have to watch endings and recaps of the previous episode before each new installment - just like on the six volume tapes. I don't have this on mine (only the theme and credits at the beginning of each tape). ??? I bought them in April of '97; perhaps they changed 'em by then. but I do not think there is slo-mo on either of the two more exotic forms. This will never do. Got to have that slo-mo! Ever go to hit the rewind button then realize you're watching a movie real-time? I do that alot.

(Eileen)Ever go to hit the rewind button then realize you're watching a movie real-time? I do that alot. Sheesh, the story of my life. That is what made me so restless in SiL. I kept obsessing on the fact that I could not go back and drool quietly(in public, you know) and reverently! But when you are watching on TV, it is even worse. I yell "Instant Replay" whether it is sports or not! They never listen to me =P

I have forgotten myself. In answer to your question, Elena, this belongs on Drool:

And that of course is the right side (our left). Thank you Karen.

What exactly is that in his pocket? Avenging angel indeed.

Wow...god bless the Snappy!!

Nice Karen, but I have a certain dragging scene snappy I will send you later for your bulge collection. Outstanding!!! Heide, he is carrying an old-fashioned sash weight for self protection as he prowls about the seedier parts of London searching for the errant Lydia. Evelyn, Amen, Firth-Sister of hightst regard =)

Thank you Karen, the nature of bulges is quite clear to me now. Absolutely seminal work! (Heide)What exactly is that in his pocket? I�d really like to see it. Probably a pair of socks, or two pairs:-)

Always happy to help out. Now if only someone had the one coming down the stairs at Netherfield. Looking forward to receiving the Snappy, Marcia.

(Heide)What exactly is that in his pocket? (Marcia) Heide, he is carrying an old-fashioned sash weight for self protection He's carrying weight all right, but I don't know about one intended for self protection! Hee hee ;-P Reminds me of the old adage: "Do you have something in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

"Do you have something in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" ROTFLOL...never heard of that one!!! Myabe they gave him a bag of marbles like they gave Viola/Thomas Kent:-) Didn't Mr. Darcy and Mr Bingley have a contest on their bulges?...or so it was reported in a tab.

"Do you have something in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" That is a famous Mae West line...so I am told by those old enough to remember =P

The correct quote is: "Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?" I've always loved it and admit to having used it now and again. :-D

Yes, Moon, Thank you...I'd never have imagined you were that old =P

Not as fun, but I wanted to let you all know: the house next to Antonio's is called "Bennett's". I never saw Lizzie there, nor did Mr. D. come to visit :-(

(Evelyn)Didn't Mr. Darcy and Mr Bingley have a contest on their bulges?...or so it was reported in a tab. I�m thinking about bulges too, must be the spring or something:-D Yes, was this famous Bulges Contest just some sort of tabloid sh** or is it from a reliable source?? I don�t remember, maybe somebody does. Surely it wasn�t a Colin quote?

Gi, if Darcy had been to visit, we would make it a site for pilgrimages to rival Fatima! Too bad! But had it been so, we might never have gotten you back ;) Elena, that comment was supposedly made by Bingley's interpreter, Never Darcy's!!! And, considering his less-than-staggering intellect and the sact that it was reported in a less-than-reliable news source...!

Hello there! Here I am joining yet another CF topic. There are a couple of things about P&P2 that I have been thinking about for a while, and would like to share them with you. First, in "The Making of P&P" book there is a picture of E&D walking that has the caption Darcy's second proposal(if you have the book, it is on page 81).This photograph is different from what we see on screen; it shows Bingley and Jane behind them, and Darcy is playfully turning to Elizabeth, who is smiling wide. This makes me think that there were parts they cut out, and I cannot say how angry that makes me feel. I wonder if Simon Langton could be prevailed upon to issue a director's cut; would willingly write to anyone who could make it happen. Also, I read an interview with AD, in which he says that what he tried to express in his dramatization is that Darcy gets aroused whenever he looks at Lizzy (ahem, he used another expression). Now, isn't that too funny? I know that some lucky ladies here have the Making of P&P video, and I would really like to know how I can get a copy. I have looked in several JA mail order services without results. Can someone help? I will not risk sounding forward or pretentious by asking anyone to lend their copy to a stranger! Something that really annoys me about the final episode is that when D&E are walking out of the church, a girl moves right in front of the camera, blocking them out of view. Why did they not re-shoot? No wonder this is the episode I watch the least. Do not misunderstand, I absolutely love this movie, but P&P is so dear to me that I cannot help but take offense at such oversights. Has anyone seen P&P1 (Garvie/Rintoul)? I bought the tape, maily because there is a picture of E&D walking arm-in-arm on the cover, and I thought it would have the final chapter of the book. It does, but I declare! what a waste! I thought I was watching a skit from SNL...I laughed histerically. Some people at the RoP think this version closer to the spirit of the book, but I utterly disagree. This version has no spirit, and just the fact that it uses the title "First Impressions" under P&P should te l it all. JA never used that title again. I know Fay Weldon, who wrote the script, is a well respected writer, and is still very active, but I despise what she did here. I think our own fan fic writers would do a better job. Ann2 & Pamela T of BoI and our own Eileen come to mind. Well, now that I have unburdened myself, nothing remains but to thank you for your forbearance.

(Lidya)I know that some lucky ladies here have the Making of P&P video, and I would really like to know how I can get a copy. I will not risk sounding forward or pretentious by asking anyone to lend their copy to a stranger! First of all No One on Spring is a stranger...we all trust each other implicitly. Secondly: "Your Lucky Day",... Lidya....The Jennifer Ehle Lending Library has a NTSC copy of the "Making of P&P"(actually called "P&P From Page to Screen"..same, same)Please email me and I will get one off to you...if you live in the US, that is...our copy will not work in Europe..

yawn yawn time to fix the italics... It is done. Now onto the donuts... ;-)

Italics don't seem fixed to me:)

Amazing how that works. Mr Darcy, did you do it???

Italics don't seem fixed to me:) No, they didn't because an italicized message was on the screen at the time. How many times I gotta tell you!! ;-)

Karen, sometimes you *need* to draw them a picture =P

Is anybody out there? I have been thinking of his first proposal, and wonder what I would answer. I think the expression on his face is so beautiful, and how he walks about the room, sits down, looks at her for a second, stands up again and then...sigh...he lets loose. "In vain I have struggled. It will not do. My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire...and love you." Pardon me...I just fainted...

Lidya, am having heart papitations right along with you... *sigh* If he had just cut off his proposal speech there -i would have would have been hard pressed not to bellow out "YES" in a very unlady like manner and attact the darling boy. But like an idiot he keeps talking, and pretty much everything after the I admire...and love you is so insulting that i probably would have slapped him. But still.... *sigh* He could tell me how much he admires and loves me any time he wants... (Drool, drip,drip...)

(Eileen) He could tell me how much he admires and loves me any time he wants... (Drool, drip,drip..) And by the look on Lizzie's face in the carriage on the way home....as she remembered those same words....she was impressed too.

(Eileen) He could tell me how much he admires and loves me any time he wants... Thanks for the credit, Evelyn, but it was SBR's comment. Not that I feel any differently! If Lizzy hadn't run into Col. Fitzwilliam that day, she wouldn't have known about Darcy's interference with her sister and Bingley. Poor Darcy might have stood a better chance. If he skipped the uppity stuff and jumped to "I beg you most fervently to end my suffering and consent to be my wife"--movie over!

Eileen: "I beg you most fervently to end my suffering and consent to be my wife" Oh Eileen, this is one of my favorite sentences! I have to agree with SBR. As much as I adore him, even when he behaves like such a snob (he looks so gorgeous walking about like a peacock), I would not have accepted a man who thought so little of me, and who considered me his inferior. I would like Lizzy much less if she had said yes to a proposal so dismissive and disrespectful. CF says that Darcy is just honest to a fault, and could not refrain from explaining his reasons, but I also think that he didn't really care about wounding her feelings. Not until his feelings are trampled on, does he realize what his faults are. Don't you agree that Lizzy is such a role model for us all women? She doesn't let anyone push her down.

(Lidya) Don't you agree that Lizzy is such a role model for us all women? She doesn't let anyone push her down. Indeed I do agree Lidya! Lizzy knows her own worth, and is not swayed by greed or desperation. Think of all the unhappy divorices that would not occur and children that would not be living in single family homes if women today adopted such standards as Lizzy did in her life. I adore him, even when he behaves like such a snob (he looks so gorgeous walking about like a peacock) LOL!! I coulnt agree more! ;) (more Drool, drip,drip,drip)

Yes, a role model that is someone lost in today's society, just look at Monica. It gets to me to see all those women buying her (so-called), book. Then again, how many true gentlemen are there? That is why we get along so well here at Spring, we are of one mind. :-D

(Moon) just look at Monica I nearly gagged last night during one of the entertainment shows when Donald Trump announced his intent to make her a judge in the Miss USA or Miss Universe pageant. Gasp! Choke! A judge of what?! Is there a new category in the competition? The Donald will do anything for publicity. The spirit of Lizzy is lost indeed. (Lidya) I would like Lizzy much less if she had said yes to a proposal so dismissive and disrespectful Darcy thinks he's telling her that he loves her *so* much, he's willing to set aside all the other issues. Until she tells him off, he has no clue as to how offensive his remarks are. IMO it wasn't his intention to insult her--just the opposite.

I hope Lidya's couch is a very long one. I am also saying, "Move over!" Even in his anguish he is lovely. But, can you imagine the arrogance of some guy telling you he is(implied)sexually deprived and he wants you to end his suffering?! What is he going to do for you?! There is something decidedly distasteful in that whole discourse. He should have kept quiet while he was ahead. But then, it would have been a short story, not a novel of delight for all these years! Heaven Help Us when we have Monica (!!!) judging women. She is worse than Spam! (Eileen)Is there a new category in the competition? LOL! I cannot imagine what her expertise is...Kneeling won't help her this time =P

What is he going to do for you?! Do you need a picture?

What is he going to do for you?! Do you need a picture? Oooooooooh....Do you have one? I *know* what he does for me. It might have been nice to let her know, too ;)

can you imagine the arrogance of some guy telling you he is(implied)sexually deprived and he wants you to end his suffering?! I can image HIM telling Me that he's secually deprived and wants me to end his suffering! ;) Infact, I'll think i'll go imagine that right now.... be back later.

Marcia: can you imagine the arrogance of some guy telling you he is(implied)sexually deprived and he wants you to end his suffering?! What is he going to do for you?! There is something decidedly distasteful in that whole discourse. I have to admit that I do not take offense. We must remeber also that this is AD's addition; he does not say it like that in the novel. In it he only says that he hopes his attachment will be rewarded by her acceptance of his hand. I think maybe we are attaching sexual connotations (is that all we think about, perhaps?) to the sentence, but in the early 1800 it would refer more to his emotional state. Just a thought. Moon: just look at Monica. It gets to me to see all those women buying her (so-called), book I totally agree. I was saying to a friend today, that if I had been given the opportunity to work in the White House, my object would never have been to have an affair with anyone, let alone the President. I would have instead looked to further my careeer and my knowledge. Working in such a place where history is made every day,and meeting important and interesting people would have been of much greater importance to me.

(Marcia)Heaven Help Us when we have Monica (!!!) judging women. She is worse than Spam ......OK sucking the **** of your boss is not exactly the neatest way to get publicity nor the best conduct in the office anyway :-) but what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? She wanted him and acted accordingly, foolish of her of course but really it�s not HER who reminds me of spam in this case. I really wish that a stupid mistake like that won�t spoil the rest of the poor girl�s life.

(Elena) but what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? She wanted him and acted accordingly, foolish of her of course but really it�s not HER who reminds me of spam in this case Uck! both of them disgust me! And so what if she wanted him? Since when is wanting something or somebody license to act on that desire?

(S B Robinson)He could tell me how much he admires and loves me any time he wants... (Eileen)Not that I feel any differently! I have a wav. file whereby he tells me just that! Whoever wants it, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. (Lidya McCarthy)Don't you agree that Lizzy is such a role model for us all women? She doesn't let anyone push her down. You mean she doesn't kneel for anyone? ;-) (Sorry, I couldn't resist, especially if we are going to discuss "that woman") (S B Robinson)Indeed I do agree Lidya! Lizzy knows her own worth, and is not swayed by greed or desperation. Think of all the unhappy divorices that would not occur and children that would not be living in single family homes if women today adopted such standards as Lizzy did in her life. Hear hear! (Eileen)The spirit of Lizzy is lost indeed. 'Tis not! Not around here, it seems to me. (Eileen)Darcy thinks he's telling her that he loves her *so* much, he's willing to set aside all the other issues. Until she tells him off, he has no clue as to how offensive his remarks are. IMO it wasn't his intention to insult her--just the opposite. I think you're absolutely right there. Isn't it what Colin says about how he decided to play it? (Re: The Making of P&P)Colin does the same kind of reasoning about Lord Wessex in SiL - that his actions and words seem natural *to Wessex* in his situation, and that he could not understand why Viola would find him offensive or distasteful. (Marcia)Monica...is worse than Spam! ...Kneeling won't help her this time =P LOL! But kneeling will be the only thing that'll help her, and I predict she'll be asked to do that a lot during her whole life. (S B Robinson)I can image HIM telling Me that he's sexually deprived and wants me to end his suffering! ;) Infact, I'll think i'll go imagine that right now.... be back later. ROTFLOL!

(Elena)what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? For my part, it is not the fact that she wanted to have sex with her boss and had it, many young women go that way, but the fact that she talked about it and in such detail. Gentlemen do not discuss their liaisons...and neither do ladies. IMO, both of them should have said, when asked, that sex was a private thing and nobody else's business.

You all are right about Darcy. I was just being spiteful for the moment. I am never disappointed with the seriousness and wisdom which comes from the ladies of Drool when a topic worthy of their concern surfaces. Makes me proud to be one of you - for yet another reason =) SB, wait up for me. I want to bponder, too!!!

Spiteful, Marcia? No, you had it right - he might think he wasn't being offensive, but he was, and as Lizzie would not accept him, neither would I.

(Elena)but what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? I really wish that a stupid mistake like that won�t spoil the rest of the poor girl�s life. What I censure about her is her lack of principles. Did she not admit to lying all of her life, and not thinking it is wrong? It is true that people make stupid mistakes all the time, but if you have integrity and a sense of personal dignity, your mistakes are less likely to damage so many others in so grand a scale. I cannot feel pity for a woman who lets a man use her for nothing else than an entertainment. Though I value fidelity very highly, it is not the fact that she had an affair with a married man that lowers her imo, but that she did it with a man who could not give her anything in return. Why he never even condescended to have full intercourse with her! How little does she esteem herself as a woman and as a human being. Gi:I have a wav. file whereby he tells me just that! Whoever wants it, let me know and I'll e-mail it to you. I want it! Eileen)The spirit of Lizzy is lost indeed. 'Tis not! Not around here, it seems to me. I agree. Isn't it great? Gi:as Lizzie would not accept him, neither would I. But would you accept the second time around? I know I have, so many times...sigh...

(Marcia) She is worse than Spam! LOL!! (Elena) but what really is it in Monica that makes you guys despise her so much?? I don't despise her but think her "young and dumb." She was/is naive and had/has poor impulse control (we won't get into the behavior of the other party). I watched the Barbara Walters interview. I don't begrudge her writing the book. But all this other stuff? Shut up and get on with your life, Monica! (SBR)In fact, I'll think i'll go imagine that right now.... be back later. Ooh, should we check out Fan Fic? ;-p

I wonder if anyone has a snappy of the first proposal scene? His eyes after he hears her rejection make me want to sob! I bet he would have fallen to his knees and declared his undying love if she had said yes, but alas, it was not to be, thanks to his abominable pride.

This one??? Might not be the right one.

*sigh* that snappy works for me. I'll sob right along with you Lidya :) Then I'll indulge in a lovely fanasy where He turns to me for comfort *double sigh* ....

Great topic, Lidya, and one to sink the teeth into. The comments have been very entertaining. I have a hard time now whenever I read the book to figure out if I'm influenced by AD's POV or if I truly do see all these sexual undercurrents which I totally missed when I was 12 and first read it. But it's drool here so let your fantasy fly. So....if Darcy had skipped all that stuff after love and gone right to relieve my suffering and consent to be my wife, maybe Elizabeth would have gone for it. What a match for the family! What a face! What a body! He's been fairly agreeable at Hunsford. Lizzy, go for it! It would have taken so long for them to get out of bed, by the time she had learned what Darcy did to Jane and Bingley the equation would already be in his favor: looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." Marcia, I confess I never thought of his suffering as being sexual. Thanks for the lightbulb. I suppose his manservant or at least the maids must have been wondering why they were changing the sheets so often.

I have to try that equation again without the strikeout: looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." (I'm going for sex appeal cubed but don't know how to do superscript.)

Now I've gone and done it.

LOl Heide. It's quarter past ten on Friday night here and I've had too much to drink (alcohol, ie) ... so don't you mean a googleplex of sex appeal? ;p

(Heide), looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." LOL, Heide! You have many talents. I bet Dilbert could use your help.

(Heide), looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." (Leanne) so don't you mean a googleplex of sex appeal? LOL, Heide and Leanne! ...and the square root of the hypotenuse equals...(my math skills are on a par with ODB) Poor Darcy was suffering physically, all right. Remember the line in the first proposal "...a most (slight pause) passionate regard..." Having recently watched P&P2 for about the twentieth time, I usually don't find too much new in it. This last time was different, though. It must be due to the whole Donmar experience, so well reported herein by the Lucky London Ladies in both text and pictures. That was as much of CF being himself as I've ever seen. I always knew he was very different than Darcy (a point he tries to emphasize each time he's interviewed on the subject) but now the difference seems huge. Colin's interpretation of Darc was superb--specifically how the "audience never quite knows what he's thinking" (I believe those are CF's words from the 'Making of P&P'). That aspect seemed to jump out at me this last time. How about the rest of you (particularly those of you who went to London, spoke with him, had his arm around you, etc. etc.)? I remember most of you posting that you watched P&P2 sometime after returning home. Was your reaction similar to mine?

Lidya, I'm sending you the wav. file, hope your e-mail address here in Drool works. (Lidya)But would you accept the second time around? I know I have, so many times...sigh... What do you mean the second time around? The second proposal? Of course I would! :-)

Karen: This one??? Might not be the right one. It is close enough...sigh! I meant the one where he stands right in front of her. Heide: I have a hard time now whenever I read the book to figure out if I'm influenced by AD's POV or if I truly do see all these sexual undercurrents Whenever I read the book I inevitably have P&P2 in my mind. The actors are inextricably linked to the characters. Mr Collins was on on A&E's Poirot the other day, and to me he looked just like MR C without the black coat. Scholars have always called JA "cold", when compared to people like the Brontes, but the fact that she doesn't use sappy words does not mean her characters do feel strongly. Ultimately, any human attraction aims to end in physical contact (the evolutionary urge to reproduce?)and in the n vel, Darcy is bewitched by E, so he obviously fancied her appearance. I suppose reading the book two hundred years later, it is impossible to see it from our own POV, and sex is so prevalent in our times, and so openly discussed, that it is only natural, (sorry for my long-winded paragraph). looks x sex appeal3 x ardor / pride x those long fingers = "Baby I'm yours." You are perfectly right, my dear. SBR: I'll indulge in a lovely fanasy where He turns to me for comfort *double sigh* I saw him first! But seriously, do you not think he looks about to weep when he is putting on his gloves as he walks to Rosings? and to think that they cut this part in the original broadcast. Gi: Lidya, I'm sending you the wav. file, hope your e-mail address here in Drool works Thank you, Gi. My e-mail address her probably won't work, so I give it to you. It is Chusmanali@aol.com I have a Pentium II computers, with Windows 98. Will the file work?

(Lidya) I have a Pentium II computer, with Windows 98 We should all be so lucky! (that laptop just hasnt been the same since i dropped it) :( But seriously, do you not think he looks about to weep when he is putting on his gloves as he walks to Rosings? and to think that they cut this part in the original broadcast. I agree, he looks so mournful. And think, if they didnt originally include that for our viewing pleasure, what else ended up on the cutting room floor??? Maybe it's best not to think about it; we'd all end up with a heart condition and be shuffled off to nursing homes at a premature age.

That little bit is on the purchased tapes or from the A&E Classroom broadcast, which didn't have commercials.

I paid over $100 just to get those bits. I consider it money well-spent =) (I know...I know...now you can get it at Costco for next-to-nothing!)

Marcia: I paid over $100 just to get those bits. I consider it money well-spent =) (I know...I know...now you can get it at Costco for next-to-nothing!) Not only did I pay $104 (with tax), but had to wait about two months to get it, because it was out of stock. Probably too many ladies were ordering it at the same time.

(Heide) I confess I never thought of his suffering as being sexual. Thanks for the lightbulb. I suppose his manservant or at least the maids must have been wondering why they were changing the sheets so often. I have seen that episode with the men in my family and they all recognize the symtoms...."He's got it baaaad". Seems to be the popular male remark. They all got it alright....but was that JA? Or Andrew Davies' interpretation of JA.

Probably both, but mostly AD, I think. JA would never have been so uncouth as to burden her incomparable Darcy with uncontrollable animal lusts - at least not to the extent that he would admit it aloud!

Evelyn, I just sent you an e-mail, but it seems my previous one did not reach you, so I will post it here. I have received the JE tapes, and am enjoying them very much. Thank you again for sending them.

(Leanne) googleplex of sex appeal? Sorry, Leanne, we still used slide rules when I was in school ;-) What the H is a googleplex? (Eileen) Poor Darcy was suffering physically, all right. Remember the line in the first proposal "...a most (slight pause) passionate regard..." Ah, and the question tonight is...what word was he going to say before he checked himself and said "passionate"? My vote is he was going to say something more conservative but decided to go for the big guns. (Marcia) I paid over $100 just to get those bits. I consider it money well-spent =) I know...I know...now you can get it at Costco for next -to-nothing!) But consider the months of deprivation waiting for it to go on sale. Definitely "money-well-spent".

(Heide) Sorry, Leanne, we still used slide rules when I was in school ;-) What the H is a googleplex? Sorry! :D A googleplex is ten to the power of ten to the power of ten.

(Leanne) A googleplex is ten to the power of ten to the power of ten. Ah!!! Very appropriate then. Sex appeal to the googleplex. Lizzy won't have a chance.

(Leanne)...a googleplex of sex appeal? (Heide) What the H is a googleplex? (Leanne)...ten to the power of ten to the power of ten. Sorry, Leanne, that is a mere googol (i.e. a one followed by 100 zeroes. Since a million is a one followed by 6 zeroes, you can see that a googol is a very large number.) A googolplex, is a googol raised to the power of ten (i.e., 10 billion times a googol!! One could write it out, but that becomes veryu tiresome. Suffice it to say, Heide, that that's a LOT of sex-appeal!!!

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I am a new Colin and Darcy crazy; the actor and the character are so enthralling that I just had to delurk. Some thoughts on the first proposal... What if Darcy is still debating with himself until he actually blurts out the words. The way he paces around and is breathing heavily indicates an unresolved emotional turmoil IMO. This is 1813, Darcy is a serious and responsible man and it has been drummed into him since infancy that a major DUTY to his family is to marry well. Marrying Lizzie is a serious br ach of his obligations as master of Pemberley. He has two choices here; he can marry Lizzie and injure his sense of self-worth, family duty and social responsilbilty or he can give her up and deny himself personal (emotional and sexual) happiness. So I think, from the way Colin played him, that Darcy is expressing verbally the struggle that is still ongoing rather than making a proposal; he is still not committed to having Lizzie as his wife-- almost seems as if he's tossed a coin in his head and heads s Lizzie. Of course once he's said the words, of course he's hurt and humiliated that she refuses him. Haven't we all had to make decisions for which no option is satisfactory? That's Darcy's situation. IMO, his words are impulsive, not planned, and certainly not intended to wound Lizzie. He should have waited until he was committed to and comfortable with his decision to marry Lizzie... then he could have wooed her properly. Am I way off base here? And thanks for the fun I've had reading the previos p stings.

Lynda, I think you are right on the mark. He could have gone through all of these options and internal conversations prior to their meeting, and still have bungled it by being so 'up-tight' that he was doomed as soon as he opened his mouth. Nerves do that to me, and I can manage to get both feet into my mouth with hardly any effort at all. Getting them out again is another problem entirely, as he discovered. It is lovely to have you Drool and post. Now, pop next door to 113 and claim something Darcy, r of any CF character in any movie, a scene in which you would like to be with him, or in a fan fiction story. We have lists which don't quit! We'll even begin a new one for you if you can think of something we have not, and oh yes, let us know when your Birthday is.

AnneH, the CF fan whose browser is keeping her from posting (I am working on it) told me the following: I spoke to my 96 year old coming up 97 year old Aunt yesterday on the telephone, I mentioned MLSF and how I was looking forward to seeing it, she asked who was in it, I said "Mr. Darcy", "Oh, she sighed, "My favourite actor, if only I could go and see it, unfortunately the nearest cinema is just a few miles too far. I said perhaps it will come on television, "If I last that long," she sighed. Thus I claim my Aunt as his oldest fan!!!!!!!! Anne. I shall run over to 113 and make another list!

Where is your new list, Marcia? Glad for your thoughts, Lynda. I tend to agree with your line of thinking. He has two choices here; he can marry Lizzie and injure his sense of self-worth, family duty and social responsilbilty or he can give her up and deny himself personal (emotional and sexual) happiness. What a delicious thought...he ends up going for personal happiness. A major step in itself. Just running some thoughts here for fun... What if Lizzy had gone to Rosings that day? Would he have seized the moment then? If not there, would he have ever done so? Or did he decide to make his proposal beforehand and rush to Hunsford Parsonage because he knew he'd find her alone? So I think, from the way Colin played him, that Darcy is expressing verbally the struggle that is still ongoing rather than making a proposal; he is still not committed to having Lizzie as his wife-- almost seems as if he's tossed a coin in his head and heads And isn't his inner turmoil so clearly portrayed? Masterful, and even more so when you realize (from the Making of P&P book)that this is one of the first scenes he had to film.

If Lizzie had gone to Rosings instead of pleading a headache, would he still have proposed that day? I have always been of the opinion that her sudden "illness," when heretofore she had been in such high spirits and good health, galvanized him into action. He, for the first time, realized she was not indestructible. It seemed to be a panic move because he could not bear to lose her, even then.

To finish my thought...If she had gone to Rosings, I would think he would not have proposed then. There would have been no urgency to do so.

Good point Marcia. :) Also, does anybody think Col Fitzwilliam may have fessed up to Darcy about his blunder? The Col is a fairly intelligent man, and surely he realized that his comments had caused Lizzie distress.

Marcia: ...If she had gone to Rosings, I would think he would not have proposed then. There would have been no urgency to do so. But wasn't he leaving in two days? I think the fact that he didn't see her that evening made him think of what it would be like to be without her.

(Heide) Or did he decide to make his proposal beforehand and rush to Hunsford Parsonage because he knew he'd find her alone? I think he did just that. He certainly struggled with the decision; having made it, actually going through with it was something else entirely. IMO this is why he stayed so long in Kent and was restless after his arrival at the parsonage. Nervous, striding, sitting, standing, speechless, etc: he knew his opportunity had come...did he have the nerve to go for it? (Lidya) But wasn't he leaving in two days? This point is made more clearly in the book: [L] "'Do you certainly leave Kent on Saturday?' [Col. F] 'Yes - if Darcy does not put it off again.'" This line has led me to believe the above. V. good points all around. It's nice to have discussion here again!

Good points, indeed! I think there would not have been opportunity at Rosings to propose to her, no matter what the urgency, with his nosy Aunt there. He followed her almost continuously on horseback as she took walks - the book makes it quite clear that she found it unnerving to find him at every turn looking as though he would speak but he would turn away each time. I think he had the means and could have arranged the time to propose to her if he was to leave in 2 day's time. A special trip would no have inconvenienced him, perhaps! As for Col Fitz, I do not think he *knew* he made a gaffe! Thus, most likely not recounted the episode to Darcy.

I always wished they had shot some of those *chance encounter* scenes in Rosings Park. They would have been precious. Also wish they had done the post-second proposal scenes, in the drawing room when the coffee is being served, when she teases him about when he fell in love with her. But then again, the series might have been 8 hours long. BWAAAA!! I would have paid extra. :-)

(Karen) But then again, the series might have been 8 hours long. BWAAAA!! I would have paid extra. :-) You and me both! Eight Hours of Darcy! *sigh* ...and maybe AD would have added another wet shirt scene... a post nuptiual wet shirt scene. (be still my heart!)

(EsBee)a post nuptiual wet shirt scene. ...from the collective drooling in the audience and in the living rooms of the world?! But, would that not have cramped your writer's style? Perhaps not! JA could never have dreamed of your carriage ride to London =D (Karen)series might have been 8 hours long. BWAAAA!! I would have paid extra. So would we all...*sob*...

Reading your comments is so much fun. I wonder if JA put as much thought into writing this book as you have in analyzing it. Before I start watching P&P yet again, some comments. I haven't seen anyone mention this, although I'm sure you have, but IMO Darcy sitting upright on the back of that magnificent galloping horse in the opening scene is incredibly erotic. At first, I thought it was a stuntman, but it seems CF is quite a horseman, which makes it even more exciting. And when he leans his head back while writing the letter, and the light picks out his throat, I want to jump in and make it all better. There is nothing sexier than a vulnerable man, especially a powerful one like arcy. Two quibbles with P&P.

Reading your postings is such fun. I wonder if JA put as much thought into writing this novel as you have in analyzing it. Before I start watching P&P yet again, some comments... Haven't seen this in the more recent postings, but I'm sure it's been mentioned. IMO, the sight of Darcy sitting absolutely upright on the back of that magnificent galloping horse in the opening scene is so thrilling, especially since it appears that it is CF and not a stuntman riding. Can DB ride a horse or wot!! Also loved the moment when Darcy throws his head back while writing the letter and the light picks out his throat. I want to jump in and kiss it and make it all better. Two quibbles with the production: 1. NOT NEARLY ENOUGH DARCY 2. Why, oh why, when they cut all of the Darcy/Lizzie scenes after the second proposal, did the Lizzie/ Lady Catherine scene have to go on and on and on. I know this scene was even longer in the book, but when there was a choice to be made, this scene could have been shortened in favour of more L & D. The ending seemed a little anti-climatic and somewhat dissatisfying, but I did LOVE the wedding scene.

Sorry for the double posting. The Internet connection seems to cut out every once in while and I know not why

Oh Lynda, I know! I Know!!! There is a *very* long line waiting to make it all better! His emotions of grief and anguish are the most powerful to me in the entire movie, and I loved him more in that part than any other. Does he not have the most glorious neck?! ...and eyes?! ...and =)) We all felt slighted by the abrupt ending, my other favorite scene where the actuality of Lizzie's love for him sweeps over him...I needed much more time to let it sink in and to enjoy it. The intense way he stares at her upon entering the parlor at Longbourne just before the second proposal is also etched on my retina. Her knees buckled; mine would have had I not been sitting in a puddle on the floor! I think it is a view universally held here that there is never enough Darcy. That is why some of us yearn for him to make another such film. How much could it damage his career? It would keep some of us going for another millenuim ;)

Marcia, maybe we should print out these postings and mail them to DB (well, perhaps not the left/right discussion). If Colin could only know how intensely (and for you ladies, for such a long time) we love him in this role, he might be persuaded to do just one more period romantic role.(He thinks he's to old to do this kind of role; can he be entirely serious?) Pretty please, Colin! We promise to watch all your neurotics and cads, in return.

LOL, Lynda!!! How funny about all of his neurotics and cads. There have been so many of them and so few of the Darcy sort that we are surely not out of line with our *desires" =) We need to have a long talk with that man!!! BTW, Dear, Please email me at marci@aloha.net Thanks!

(Marcia), The intense way he stares at her upon entering the parlor at Longbourne just before the second proposal is also etched on my retina. I love that look too Marcia! We all agree on not getting enough Darcy. And, do not get me started on Colin the horseman. ;-) Why does he hate period drama? Even Jeremy N. has recently stated he would not do more of them. No more Mr. Darcy and no more Mr. Knightly. :-(

Colin on a horse. Now how the heck am I supposed to get ANY work done today, when I'm starting out my morning with THAT visual in my mind? ...*sigh* I shall be distracted (make that -plesantly distracted) the entire day! (Lynda) If Colin could only know how intensely we love him in this role, he might be persuaded to do just one more period romantic role.(He thinks he's to old to do this kind of role; can he be entirely serious?) Pretty please, Colin! We promise to watch all your neurotics and cads, in return. LOL! too funny (and true) Lynda :)

Fine thighs, chocolate intense pools, astride his horse...I am gone for the day into a Darcy Stupor! There is just nothing about this man which is not totally droolable. I also like JN. (I would have been a much better match for him than that silly shallow Emma =P) How sad. The Tenant of Wildfell Hall is now on PBS. Both or either of them would have fit in so very well. There is a reason these stories have lasted for so long. They are good! Cannot say much for what they choose for story lines lat ly! Grumble...grumble!

Marcia, I saw The Tenant of Wildfell Hall on Sunday night- stayed up late watching it. I thought it was quite good. :) ACK! Meeting! gotta run!

(SBR)Eight Hours of Darcy! *sigh* Say that out loud in the same manner as Lydia said "A whole campful of soldiers..."

Eileen, warm me of your humor - I just about choked with laughter at your comment re: 8 hours of Darcy!

(Marcia) Eileen, warm me of your humor - I just about choked with laughter at your comment re: 8 hours of Darcy! ROTFLOL! Me too -scared that poor cat again. ;)

I also like JN. This is not the right place to announce it. (What do you expect - applause???) ;-P

As some of you might have heard, Jeopardy had an Austen-tacious category last week. Ann put this up at her Austen Tea Room board. Check it out. http://www.spring.net/~anneh/jeopardy.htm Harumph!! Why couldn't this have been on February 16. Not fair.

Expecting appalause for my comment on JN? Here? Now?....Not likely. Just a bare admission of guilt. Though I like him, there is no posting on my part on his Drool Board. I am still and always a Darcy Lady. Karen, as I watched that Jeopardy with the JA topic, I thought of you and how you would have run the entire topic with half your brain tied behind your back ;)

New here, My mind is on Tim Cohen's book, "AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea" WOW! You can see proof that Prince Charles IS the anti-Christ at www.prophecyhouse.com

Hey, Seymour! check out the following conferences instead... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/spirit/all/new http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/cultures/all/new http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/books/all/new they may be more to your liking!

Thank you, William. The poor fellow was really lost in here. Don't think he spent much time checking the postings before he did his. Pat on the head with affection for your prompt work.

Prince Charles is the Anti-Christ? LOL! That's gotta be the most off topic this board has ever been! :) Now... back to Darcy Drool. While recently re-watching our beloved P&P2 (for the millionth time), I was reminded of when I first fell in love with Darcy. I hadnt read the book before seeing the movie, and so basically knew nothing of his character and while intrigued by his aloof behavior he really did nothing to endear himself to me, up to and including the first proposal. What melted my heart, and secured it into his keeping for all time, was a portion of the letter he wrote to Lizzy. You can tell a great deal about a man by the way he treats his mother and sisters, and Darcy's gentleness when dealing with Georigana during the whole Wickham fasico, was very revealing. When he pulled Georigana into his arms and pressed a kiss to her head (instead of ranting and raving about what an idiot she had been -like most men would be inclinded to do) I thought; "now this is a man that a woman could trust her heart to." And I've been in love with Darcy ever since. :) Course- by the time he got to the wet shirt scene, and the adorable "and your parents are well?" questions -i was practically foaming at the mouth. ;)

I wonder if Seymour realizes his entertainment value? "and your parents are well?" ...and [pause] all your sisters? *sigh* I had also never read the book (I wonder how I missed it because I've always been a voracious reader) before watching this miniseries (even passed on the first US showing). As I've posted before, I was dozing off and on through episodes 2 and 3. By the time the first proposal came around, I was thinking don't you know she hates you, you fool? That letter brought me around also. But it took me until the *look* (OK, I admit it, I'm slow) to foam at the mouth! ;-)

(Eileen) By the time the first proposal came around, I was thinking "don't you know she hates you, you fool?" LOL! Exactly! I kept thinking shut up, she's not going to say yes! and you're only making it worse by continuing to insult her! By the time I got to *The Look*- I had grabbed a magazine and was fanning my overheated skin! ;)

You are all too funny! I loved your thought about the neurotics and cads, Lynda! ;-) I think I must watch those tapes again...

When he pulled Georigana into his arms and pressed a kiss to her head (instead of ranting and raving about what an idiot she had been -like most men would be inclinded to do) I thought; "now this is a man that a woman could trust her heart to." And I've been in love with Darcy ever since. :) SB, Eileen! It took you that long! Jeez, I was in love watching him watch Lizzy after his bath. Of course, that was actually another 4-letter word beginning with L... I'm sure the love you speak of is the more mature, satisfying and lasting kind. ;-)

Heide, it not for nothing that we call this Drool. How mature is that ;) Besides, it healthy to lust after the one you love. What does maturity have to do with it?? Age does not dim nor change the animal urges =D

I didn't pay too much attention to Darcy until the Netherfield ball, when the heads parted and he turned to look at Lizzie. Loved his smirk when Mr. Collins collided, actually CRASHED, into that poor woman. Was head over heels when he bowed before the dance. What a profile!! And the bow itself was so submissive (nothing more erotic than a powerful man humbled). I was enthralled. And what can I say about the dance that you all haven't said. I have never seen any man so graceful!! (I remember seeing some omments a while back about whether ODB is clumsy - is it possible for a clumsy man to dance so beautifully?) And his hair...everytime he makes a pass in front of the screen, I want to tangle my hands in that hair. Yeesh!! ...I have to stop, right now, or I'll be awake half the night.

I find that the Netherfield Ball is when you are SUPPOSED to notice Darcy in the miniseries. Before he's just a fly on the wall. But you really get to see his emotions. I remember hating, positively HATING Darcy when I first read the book. It took even after Lydia's elopement for me to really say, "wow, what a great guy."

Ok, time to confess; it took me two times watching it before I was struck by Darcy for all time. I fell for the dunk in Pemberley Pond, initially, but I had been leaning in his direction since he met her on the way to visit Jane at Netherfield. I was young enough when I first read the book that I admired Lizzie above all else. When I began to notice the other gender, I immediately reread the book and was hooked on him. He is so dear in the end of the book when he tells her of the turmoil and loving her and not being able to have her. He just melted my heart. It has never solidified since ;)

Lynda, to make those all-night Darcy fests that much more rewarding, go to that scene where he is staring at herfrom the sidelines at the Netherfield Ball. Using the slow-motion and freeze-frame buttons on your VCR remote, go through it frame by frame. It is the most erotic and revealing scene in the entire movie to me. You will like to slo-mo your way through most of his scenes, but that is the most amazing one!

(Heide) It took you that long! They don't call me "a day late and a dollar short" for nothing. What can I say? I don't recall the bath scene having an effect on me during my first viewing and it's one of my favorites (tape must be weak from rewinding). As for the Netherfield ball, I think this is where I began to nod (A&E ran the '97 showing in two 3 hour segments with endless commercials; the first three episodes ran from 9-12mn). I actually thought the fencing scene took place at Rosings until I bought the tapes and set myself st aight! (Lynda) everytime he makes a pass in front of the screen, I want to tangle my hands in that hair *Sigh*

(Heide) It took you that long! Jeez, I was in love watching him watch Lizzy after his bath LOL! I wasnt repulsed or anything- just intrigued. I wasnt sure what was going on in his mind. For all i knew, he was going to ask her to be his mistress rather than his wife. After all, up to that point what did we know about the man, other than A) he was handsome (ok- make that Extremely Handsome) B) he had rather odd friends and annoying relatives (with the exception of Col Fitzwilliam) C) he was a bit of a snob (ie;"I saw no breeding at all") (Lynda) everytime he makes a pass in front of the screen, I want to tangle my hands in that hair (Eileen) *Sigh* Oh Yeah, me too... *double sigh* I still get a tingle everytime I watch it and think 'I'm the keeper of that adorable curl' :) -better make that a *triple sigh*

Lynda: the Netherfield ball, when the heads parted and he turned to look at Lizzie. That is one of my favorite looks! Don't you think he has the most amazing voice? I love it when he says: "I should as soon call her mother a wit." He says it with such disdain, and so matter-of-factly, he melts my heart. I also like the look her gives her when he says "Do you often walk into Meryton?", like he's saying, I will play your game. Eileen: the fencing scene Ahh! I love it!!! His open shirt, his sweaty neck...sigh...and the smile he gives Mr. Baines! He was perfect in every sense.

Hmmmm. Interesting. Looked through an old journal for 1996. Entry for Sun 14 January--"began taping Pride & Prejudice on A&E. Most good, but don't like Darcy...sullen!" Hee hee My! How things can change!!

Lynda, you cannot know how much good you are doing us. It feels so good to bathe in fresh Darcy Drool after worrying about SiL sequels and FP openings (or the possibility of being out of the scheduled theaters area). You are a wonderful addition to our Boards. Now, all of you lurkers out there. Cease and desist and join us. Post something. Surely Darcy is worthy of your efforts!

LOL KarenJ, I did the same thing. Only taked half of it and then taped over it. It cannot have been the right one the firthst time =P

I know, I thought the same thing after the first installment. I remember thinking "does this guy think he's playing Heathcliff?" But he grew onme... I don't think I need to get into that. ;-)

My Firthst thought was "He's no Olivier!" Much later, I ammended that statement to add "thank heaven!"

Thanks for the kind words, Marcia. You are such a close group, I do feel rather awkward posting, but you all have been lovely. (Lidya) Don't you think he has the most amazing voice? Colin does have an amazing voice, along with an amazing everything else. As Sue Birtwistle said, "He's just perfect in every regard". I love his face during the "pride and vanity" debate at Netherfield, especially right before he says, "It might be called resentful". Looks so vulnerable and young. And although he is trying to be so still and self-controlled in this scene, he gives his agitation away with his hands. (Marcia) My Firthst thought was "He's no Olivier!" Much later, I ammended that statement to add "thank heaven!" Amen to that. I tried watching the Olivier P&P after I saw P&P2. Couldn't get through it; the screenplay was awful, Garson seemed old enough to be Lizzie's mother and Olivier was hammy and not at all like Austen's Darcy (Darcy is not supposed to be charming).

(Lynda) I tried watching the Olivier P&P after I saw P&P2. Couldn't get through it; the screenplay was awful... I did as well, thought it was dreadful and only lasted about 30 or 40 mins. why did everyone talk so fast? It was like they were competeing to see who could get off the most lines per minute! :) Love the Sue Birtwistle quote! "He's just perfect in every regard". Yes, isnt he. *sigh* ;)

To be fair, I think we cannot blame all of the bad things in P&P0 on Olivier and the rest. The screen play did not stay true to the story (a benevolent Lady C, and a perky Lady Anne?!), and the directing is what we see as the result. A mincing Darcy and an old Lizzie. Very odd indeed. For some reason, I also got the impression from that version that Mary ended up marrying Mr Collins. Am I forgetting something?

Inasmuch as this topic has been inactive for a while I thought I would post a Big "Hi" from Lizza. She told me on the phone that yesterday she went to Bath and found the city **crawling** with American tourists looking for Mr. Darcy at the new Jane Austen Museum which has just opened there. She thought of us....!!

I'm glad to see some activity here, because I was watching episode V, and I have a question that has bothered me for a while. At the very end, when Lizzy says that she cannot bear to think that Mr. Darcy is out in the world, thinking ill of her, we see his face with an inscrutable expression, and I wonder what it means. Is he thinking ill of her, longing for her or in pain from having to deal with Wickham? I cannot decide!

It is the pain she imagines she has caused him and that she will not see him again even though she is realizing she loves him very much

Do you mean that it is what she imagines he is feeling? I know that "The making of P&P" book says that some of the scenes we see when Lizzy reads the letter are supposed to be her imagination, but until I read that I did not see them in that way.

I agree, Lidya. I think we are supposed to be seeing Darcy's face as he is at that moment, not how Lizzy is imagining him to be looking. Now in my imagination, I think he's managed to keep his mind off losing Lizzy because he's been busy playing the avenging angel, tracking Wickham down and bribing him to marry Lydia. Finally that work is complete and he has to face his loss again. Another take on it could be that now his work with W & L is down, he has another job to do...winning back Lizzy. Either way, I think he's thinking about her. Thanks for reviving the topic again, Evelyn. It's sinful to let it lie moribund. ;-) she went to Bath and found the city **crawling** with American tourists looking for Mr. Darcy Good to know that Mr. Darcy is still alive and well and foremost in the minds of American tourists. Reminds me of Lyme Park when the kindly old gent selling tickets pointed out the entrance to the house as the one before the stairs "that Mr. Darcy came down." Though I don't think it was the fact I'm American that he knew why I was there, more likely just the fact that I'm female.

....we see his face with an inscrutable expression, IMO...I think it's his face as she remembers him from the first proposal. The pain and anguish she caused him is now bothering her conscience.

(Evelyn) IMO...I think it's his face as she remembers him from the first proposal. A good possibility too. See ladies, this topic can never die. I think we should next discuss the expression Darcy's wearing as he gives Lizzy that long look at Longbourn before they all go out walking. We know that wasn't Lizzy's imagination so whatever could he be thinking there? "Hey, baby, you're mine." ;-)

And, did you notice that when he fixed her with that stare, not just my knees buckled, so did Lizzie's. Never saw the man look quite that intense in any other role, but we say that all the time about Darcy looks, mannerisms and other ezquisite details.

(Heide)Re: The final stare:We know that wasn't Lizzy's imagination so whatever could he be thinking there? "Hey,baby, you're mine." ;-) He wished but he wasn't certain, IMO. Lady Catherine's visit to him in London "had the opposite effect...it caused me to hope as I never dared to hope before...."

(Heide) "Hey, baby, you're mine." ;-) Ohh, could he give me one of those looks!! I think he's saying, could it be that you really love me? (Marcia) not just my knees buckled, so did Lizzie's. I love her expressions here, and when he comes to Longbourn for the first time too, so vulnerable and full of feeling. She has a very expressive face. And when Mrs. Bennet mentions Lidya's marriage, the way he rolls his eyes and looks away is priceless! I could go on and on...

The expression on his face in the scene at Netherfield when they are discussing "vanity and pride" is where I really began to take notice of him. Before that I had been watching her because she seemed to me to be the ultimate Lizzie. He sat there with such a quietness about him, you could see that he was getting madder and madder because he knew she was besting him, but he couldn't let the other people in the room know that she could effect him. There was a tightness about the corner of his mouth and his eyes were giving away his feelings. I sat up and said "Whoa, this guy is really some kind of actor, who is he anyway." When he walked back to Rosings and Col F. Says, "Darcy where have you been (or something like that) he looks like he's aged ten years when he answers him. How did he do that?

The whole entire movie is incredible, but I scarsely see anything but him each time I run through it. He is so enchanting and captivating and....on and on...

Lucie: The expression on his face in the scene at Netherfield when they are discussing "vanity and pride" is where I really began to take notice of him This scene is great, but when I fell for him was at Lucas Lodge, when he smiles as he looks at Lizzy and Miss Bingley walks away! When he walked back to Rosings and Col F. Says, "Darcy where have you been (or something like that) he looks like he's aged ten years when he answers him. How did he do that? I love the way he reacts when the voice over of Lizzy's voice comes to the part about not being a gentleman. He really shows that this the part that stings the most, as he tells her when she accepts him. I still cannot believe that he didn't win best actor at the Bafta's and that the series did not win either. Must have been some jelous people there! The book "The making of Emma" had a copy of the script by Andrew Davies, and I wonder why they could not include that in the P&P book. I'm sure it was a wond rful screenplay, though of course they left out some important things, and added too much in some scenes (like Wickham telling Lizzy that if things were different he would have chosen her. I think this would have been improper).

Yes, yes, Darcy's been dormant for far too long ;-) (Heide) "Hey,baby, you're mine." ;-) I think of it more as "it's now or never..." (Lidya) we see his face with an inscrutable expression Interesting discussion about this! I interpret it as being Lizzy's remembrance of his parting look from the doorway of the inn.

Lidya's mention of the Emma screenplay - does anyone know if there was one published for P&P2? I would most assuredly purchase one if such existed!!!

From everything that I've seen, no screenplay was published for the BBC/A&E production. Just the "Making of" book. I know, what a blown opportunity.

(Lidya)...Netherfield when they are discussing "vanity and pride" is where I really began to take notice of him I think that sparring- match is one of the acting high-lights of the film. The dialogue is so difficult...yet they make it sound colloquial.With such subtle facial expressions.He tightens his lips...she rolls her eyes...Wow!you could feel the sexual tension slowly building.

(Heide)From everything that I've seen, no screenplay was published for the BBC/A&E production I have been looking for the address where I can write the author of the P&P book, to see if I can get them to publish something else. Maybe we can persuade them to come out with scenes left in the editing floor. It is surprising that they have not taken advantage of the popularity of the film...they could make a fortune! (Eileen) I interpret it as being Lizzy's remembrance of his parting look from the doorway of the inn. But she remembers his expression at the inn when she is looking in the mirror...I actually do not like what she says to Jane, because by that time she already knew that she loved him, and her words imply doubt.

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(Lidya)..But she remembers his expression at the inn when she is looking in the mirror...I actually do not like what she says to Jane, because by that time she already knew that she loved him, and her words imply doubt. IMO she did not realize she was in love....She had a feeling that she never had before. I think Lizzie, unlike Jane, had never been in love before..

(Evelyn) She had a feeling that she never had before. I think Lizzie, unlike Jane, had never been in love before What I do not like is that this part is not in the book, and in it, Elizabeth realizes she is in love around this time. Right after Mr. Gardiner writes with news of Lidya being found, we have this: "She was humbled, she was grieved; she repented, though she hardly knew of what. She became jealous of his esteem, when she could no longer hope to be benefited by it." By having Lizzy say that she does not know why she is sorry she told Mr. Darcy about Lidya, AD makes it sound as if she cannot suffer for the loss of his love, because she does not know she is in love. This is another thing I wish they had shown, how much she feels his apparent indiference when he comes to Longbourn.

(Lidya) Is he/.../ longing for her or in pain from having to deal with Wickham? I cannot decide! (Marcia) It is the pain she imagines she has caused him... (Heide)...Finally that work is complete and he has to face his loss again./.../, he has another job to do...winning back Lizzy. *****How about "all of the above"??? I suspect he couldn't think ill of her, but the contemplation of having to deal with her family for the rest of his life might help engender such an expression, too!!! :-D ***** (Evelyn) I think we should next discuss the expression Darcy's wearing as he gives Lizzy that long look at Longbourn before they all go out walking. /.../ so whatever could he be thinking there? "Hey, baby, you're mine." ;-) *****The intensity of that expression was, to me a mix of looking for the answer to that most all-important of Questions: "Is there any love for me there?" and the determination that -- if it is at all possible -- If it wasn't there, he was bound and determined to PUT it there!! :-) (By the way, I was always of the opinion that his declaration that he'd never speak of this again if she still said no, was merely a figure of speech meant to allay any fears she might have for being honest with him. I suspect he'd go back on it, if necessary...I think he would NEVER give up the pursuit, especially if the memory of that look she bathed him with at Pemberley was ever remembered!! ;-D)

(Lidya) Is he/.../ longing for her or in pain from having to deal with Wickham? I cannot decide! (Marcia) It is the pain she imagines she has caused him ... (Heide) ...he has to face his loss again. /.../he has another job to do...winning back Lizzy. How about "Al of the Above"?? ;-D (He can't think ill of Lizzy but he can of her family...contemplating that he'd have to deal with them for the rest of his life also might engender such an expression! (Heide)..the expression Darcy's wearing as he gives Lizzy that long look at Longbourn before they all go out walking. We know that wasn't Lizzy's imagination so whatever could he be thinking there? "Hey, baby, you're mine." ;-) I believe that intense look was a mixture of that all-important Question:" Is there any love for me there" combined with the determination that if it isn't there now, he'll PUT it there, come what may!! :-) (By the way, I was always of the opinion that his promise to Lizzie of never speaking of it again if she still didn't want him, was merely a figure of speech meant to allay any fears she might have of speaking honestly. I fully believe he would go back on it, if necessary...he'd NEVER stop the pursui ...especially when he remembered that look she bathed him with at Pemberley...!!! ;-D)

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(KJArt) I think he would NEVER give up the pursuit, I don't know...when I remember that he would really not have considered speaking again if she had not come to Pemberley, I wonder if they had met again at all. He would not have come to Netherfield again, I think. Even the last sentence in the book says that they were grateful to the Gardiners who had been the means of uniting them by bringing her into Derbyshire...I shudder to think of how differently Jane Austen could have ended the book. I am grateful she disliked drama and unhappy endings.

(Lidya) But she remembers his expression at the inn when she is looking in the mirror... Isn't he talking when Lizzy imagines him in the mirror? Oh, well, I suppose I'll just have to watch it again! Regardless, to answer your original question, I think the image exists in Lizzy's imagination. (Lidya)...writes with news of Lidya being found...sorry she told Mr. Darcy about Lidya Freudian slip, Lidya? Or is it Lydia? heehee :-P By having Lizzy say that she does not know why she is sorry she told Mr. Darcy about Lidya, AD makes it sound as if she cannot suffer for the loss of his love, because she does not know she is in love. Above all, she wants to keep her feelings to herself. In both the book and the series, Lizzy doesn't tell Jane, her most beloved sister and confidant, that she's changed her mind about Darcy. It all goes to building suspense as to whether or not these two lovebirds will get together in the end.

Eileen: Freudian slip, Lidya? Or is it Lydia? heehee :-P Too funny! I did not even notice! anyway, I have an article that says that the name Lydia was popularized by Lydia Languish in Sheridan's play The Rivals. Mine is Lidya, but even though the character is not one I wish to emulate, I'm glad my name appears in JA's writing.

Someone...was it Lydia or Lynda??..wanted to write to BBC and request they publish the P&P Screenplay. Here's an address that they gave me for such requests: (Artist's Name & program)...Andrew Davies, P&P BBC Information BBC Television Centre London W12 7RJ United Kingdom

We're not the only ones Droolin' after Mr. Darcy!!! This was posted on Virtual Views.... Re: BEDROOMS & HALLWAYS "It's a small budget UK film (comedy) about a couple of gay guys living in London trying to sort their lives out. One of them goes to a Mens Group (hysterical!) led by Simon Callow (aka Mr Beebe from ARWAV), and falls in love with one of the (straight) participants....it's very complicated, but very funny (though people's sexual orientations are somewhat flexible, and you may find this hard to deal with) The JA connections are several: Jennifer Ehle has a fairly major role in the movie, as does Harriet Walters (think nose-pulling and S&S). But the funniest connection is that the lead character is recommended P&P as bedtime reading to take his mind off sex... and off course it has exactly the opposite effect, with the object of his desire turning up in his dream as.....Mr Darcy. ;-)

Wonder who personifies his Mr. Darcy. Funny, Evelyn. We were talking about Darcy gazes and the meaning behind them. Excuse me, our interpretation of the meaning behind them. ;-) One of my favorites is the scene when he returns to Longbourn with Bingley (He's here! He has come at last!) Darcy walks in, stands silently while the niceties are exchanged and we see his eyes slide over to Lizzie for just a moment. She is looking sideways at him too. He quickly looks away. We know he says he's there for Bingley's sake to check out Jane and see if she is indeed in love with B. But we know better. He tries not to look at Lizzie but can't help himself. He looks away quickly because he sees she caught him in the act. His second sideways glance in that scene is a bit later. But to me, it looks like he's looking at Jane though Lizzie is desperately trying to catch his eye.

(Karen)I fully believe he would go back on [his promise to never speak of it], if necessary...he'd NEVER stop the pursuit...especially when he remembered that look she bathed him with at Pemberley...!!! ;-D) (Lidya)...he would really not have considered speaking again if she had not come to Pemberley, I wonder if they had met again at all. He would not have come to Netherfield again, I think. Perhaps we've got our statements mixed up. I was referring to the final proposal when he said, "*My* affections and wishes are unchanged; but one word from you will silence me on this subject forever" It is this promise I think he would go back on if she hadn't accepted him then and there. You seem to be speaking of his feelings BEFORE he met her again at Pemberly, but when he had said the above, a lot of things had changed: a) He has encountered her in Derbyshire and impressed her with his *improved* manners. b) He has introduced her to his sister, and they like each other very much c) He has cleared up the Lydia mess, which would have been a barrier to any further dealings with her if left as it had been. d) He has heard a long harangue from dear Aunt Catherine, complaining that she has to gall to refuse to promise not to get engaged to him, and, e) Bingley's marriage is forthcoming. That single event alone must bring them back together, and chances are good that they would encounter each other often via the Bingley-connection. That is why I say that even if she had demured at that time or expressed reluctance, they were on much better footing than before, and he'd be a fool not to persist...he's no dummy...he can read the signs! ;-D

(Heide) One of my favorites is the scene when he returns to Longbourn with Bingley (He's here! He has come at last!) Good one! When Kitty announces Bingley's arrival and adds "who's that with him? It's that tall, proud man...' [or something like that] I recall saying "yesss!" to myself during my first viewing (I had never read the book). By this point I was dying for these two to get together. The glances are a riot (esp. when Mrs. B pipes up about Lydia's wedding announcement and Darcy rolls his eyes). Another telling moment is when Lizzy's voice cracks as she asks Bingley how long he plans to stay in the neighbor ood. Yes, KJ, you and Lidya are addressing two different matters. The question of what would have happened if Lizzy had never gone to Derbyshire is a good one. Their meeting at Pemberley forms the basis for the remainder of the story. (KJ)That is why I say that even if she had demured at that time or expressed reluctance, they were on much better footing than before, and he'd be a fool not to persist...he's no dummy...he can read the signs! ;-D To me, he was being like a good trial lawyer--never ask a question to which you don't already know the answer. He had to know her feelings had changed. I think he was being polite in adding that last bit. I do agree with you in that if she had been reluctant or unready, he wouldn't back off.

(Evelyn) Re: BEDROOMS & HALLWAYS ... and off course it has exactly the opposite effect, with the object of his desire turning up in his dream as.....Mr Darcy. ;-) (Heide) Wonder who personifies his Mr. Darcy. Funny, Evelyn. Funny? What do you mean, funny? I say, LOLing funny! :-)I must see this film!

(Evelyn) Someone...was it Lydia or Lynda??..wanted to write to BBC Lidya was the one...thank you for the address Evelyn. (KJArt) I was referring to the final proposal whe he says "one word from you will silence me on this subject forever". You seem to be speaking of his feelings BEFORE he met her again at Pemberly. Well, I knew I had managed to jumble my message and not express myself clearly, but I pressed the submit button too quickly. I did understand that you were speaking of what he would do after the second proposal, but what I meant to say was that considering that he would not have spoken again if he had not met her at Pemberley, I doubt he would have pursued her if she had refused him a second time. It seems to me that it was unusual for a man to propose a second time, let alone a third, and I think it was matter of honor to either accept or refuse a man. Jane Austen herself backed out of an engagement, and she was staying in the man's home at the time, but left immediately and under great distress. Also Capt. Wentworth from Persuasion, when he meets Anne Elliot again after their break-up, hardly speaks to her. From all that Darcy says to Elizabeth after they become engaged, I think that if Lady Catherine had not given him (unintentionally, of course) the hope of being accepted, he would not have spoken th n. He said to her that he wanted to judge if he could ever make her love him, so I do think he would have courted her, but I don't think he would have asked her had he not thought she would accept him. they were on much better footing than before, and he'd be a fool not to persist...he's no dummy...he can read the signs! I think that because he can read the signs, he asked her again, and, having read all these signs, it would be totally contradictory if Elizabeth had refused him. (Heide) We know he says he's there for Bingley's sake to check out Jane and see if she is indeed in love with B. I've always wondered why he could not trust Elizabeth's word on this. Does he not think that she would know her sister better than he could? He says to her that he became convinced of Jane's affection for Bingley, and when Elizabeth asks him whether it was from his own observations or her words to him, he says that it was from what he had seen. Maybe it is the effect of 200 years past that makes uncomfortable with this, but I think he should have considered Lizzy's opinion on this matter, and not needed h s own judgement to validate it.

I am always confused by his "aloofness" to Lizzie when he returns to Longbourne with Bingley.(Hey, I'm not trashing those smoldering looks!) I love the vulnerability on Lizzie's face; she seems so hopeful...her voice qivering .It's contradictory to his tender behavior at Lambton and the beguiling smile she gives him at Pemberley.Why come back and act as if he just came from Rosings? ..... (Lidya)I think that if Lady Catherine had not given him (unintentionally, of course) the hope of being accepted, he would not have spoken then Has he forgotten the tender moments they shared at Derbyshire? Or is he contemplating the 2nd proposal and afraid of rejection again. He can't be that thick.

(Evelyn) I am always confused by his "aloofness" to Lizzie when he returns to Longbourne with Bingley. And this is where one of my favorite lines from the book comes in. I fear I shall make a hash of it but after their engagement Lizzy asks Darcy why he barely spoke to her when he returned to Longbourn with Bingley. He says, "A man who had felt less might have (spoken more)." Even with all the signs, he was tentative and possibly afraid of making an ass of himself by presuming too much.

IHeide) Even with all the signs, he was tentative and possibly afraid of making an ass of himself by presuming too much. Oh yes, indubitably torn...nothing blatant was being shown by either of them for fear that they were misinterpreting the signs. But Darcy kind of gets them both off the hook when he finally broaches the subject: You'll notice that he doesn't *actually* ask her to marry him a second time -- just asks about her feelings...it's Lizzy's reply (in the book, not specified) that makes him sure of what she really wants...thus his relieved and pleased reaction.

K J, I think you got it right. He did ask about her feelings. The first time it had not ocurred to him that she might say no, so he must be afraid that he was wrong again this time.

"Elizabeth feeling all the more than common awkwardness and anxiety of his situation, now forced herself to speak; and immediately, though not very fluently, gave him to understand, that her sentiments had undergone so material a change, since the period to which he alluded, as to make her receive with gratitude and pleasure, his present assurances." That seems specified enough. :-)

Arami, there is such a thing as misunderstanding, or shall we say, information lost in the communication process? :-)

? I trust old Jane's instinct. I'm sure there was no misunderstanding. Unless I lost some information in the process, that is :-)

*sigh*... I could not contain myself and had to post this picture...

oops...how did that happen? sorry, Mr. Darcy.

My apologies. Has anyone noticed how he lowers his eyes to her bosom in this scene? I nearly fainted... I guess it is obvious that Darcy is my favorite CF role. I despair of seeing MLSF for several months, so despite the good amount of drooling to be had in that movie, from what I've heard, I will reserve my judgement on that score.

Thanks a lot Lidya, that pic made my day!

...and was immediately set up as my wallpaper!:-)

Thanks Lydya. I also saved it for low moments.

Yum, yum! Thanks, Lidya.

Achingly beautiful. Thanks also, Lidya. Yes, that scene is not complete for me until he lowers his eyes for just a fraction of a second. Couldn't help himself, could he? Heck, they're practically presented to him on a silver platter and he's been such a gentleman.

(Heide) Heck, they're practically presented to him on a silver platter and he's been such a gentleman. I wonder sometimes how they could all keep a straight face! Emma Thompson said that all the crew members in S&S were always ogling her because she was so exposed. She has nothing compared to our Lizzy, of course. Colin must have had a handful while he dated JE...and so did she (uhmmm in the Lydia & Kitty style)!

(Lidya)Colin must have had a handful while he dated JE... LoL, Dear! You had to say it like that? His hands must have runneth over from the comparative size of things...and we all know that size matters...

Make that two handfuls, my dear!

This is at Heide's request....From Meluchie's website; Courtesy of Lyda....who practiced with me on #61. THE MOST BEAUTIFUL NEWLYWEDS EVER

*sigh*

Eureka!!!I DID IT!! ***** Don't you love the way they have their eyes closed.Where did I read that it took 30 takes (what a bummer!!). Apparently, the carriage , the horses, the driver and the newlyweds all had to be in sync. **sigh** ****** Hey gang...this pic is my desktop wallpaper....you'd be surprised what a buzz it gives you every time you log on :-))

Evelyn, you have made my morning! :) Thank you for that lovely, lovely pic!

Lovely photo and I'm glad you posted it. But what about that one of them walking toward the carriage? You know, where he's not wearing his hat. I LOVE that photo! C'mon, Eveln, how about a bit more practice? Not that you need it.

Oh Evelyn...this picture sends shivers all over me! I love the way they look at each other just before they decide to go for it...*sigh*... (Heide)But what about that one of them walking toward the carriage? And what about the one in which she is touching his tigh??? I just love that little possessive touch (Hands off, droolers!)...and here it is...(I hope)

( Lidya)And what about the one in which she is touching his thigh??? I just love that little possessive touch Yeah. I love that one too. However,in the film the carriage was giving a jerk and she braced herself by touching his thigh....but I like to think it was a figure of endearment...and at that point in their real lives it probably was. *Sigh*

(Heide) But what about that one of them walking toward the carriage? You know, where he's not wearing his hat. I LOVE that photo Here it is...comin' up( I hope )

Why does he look as if he's gonna start crying???

LOL! it's true -it looks like the man is in a great deal of pain. Thanks for the pics everyone- they're wonderful!! :)

Maybe there's somethin about weddings that he doesn't like....

(Evelyn) Why does he look as if he's gonna start crying??? Too much emotion, perhaps? I cannot stand the other photo, though. I wish him happy by all means, but cannot forgive him his marriage...grrr (I would, on the other hand, have loved it if he and Jennifer had married and lived happily ever after!). Do not even get me started on that subject!

(Lidya)Do not even get me started on that subject! I feel tempted to say something about this because I never did before. Honestly, I was shocked when I heard he was going to marry and found it very difficult to accept when it happened. Tried to forget him, without success! And I still can�t look at his wedding photos without my heart bleeding.

There, I said it! There�s nothing like blurting out one�s most illogical, irrational and unfair emotions sometimes!! :-)

Evelyn, thank you for the wedding picture of Lizzie and the hatless Darcy. I have never seen it before; where did it come from? Please, please don't say it came from the series; I know I'm not very observant, but... I watched some of P&P last night (inspired by this fresh drooling). Having seen so many other CF films and now MLSF, I am struck by how different he is as Darcy, and it's more than the makeup and hair dye. And after so many viewings, I still can't get over how different he looks from scene to scene.

(Elena) There�s nothing like blurting out one�s most illogical, irrational and unfair emotions sometimes!! :-) But I think in this place your feelings are the most rational and logical! I agree with you...I try not to think about it, it puts me in a bad mood.

Well, now...we all have to come to grips with reality,sometimes...and after all It's Mr. Darcy who is our hero and he will always belong to each and every one of us for evah and evah!! (Lidya)I would, on the other hand, have loved it if he and Jennifer had married and lived happily ever after!) LOL..well, that's because each one of us is "Lizzie" in P&P...and we feel betrayed.We get a lot of mail from guys who have crushes on "Lizzie"... Ironically, most of them do not like Colin ...you should hear what they call him!! But in real life it would not have worked between them...for starers, they are v. much alike.Had they married, they would have gone to live in a cave in the Hebrides!! (Lynda)Lizzie and the hatless Darcy. I have never seen it before; where did it come from? I dragged it over from Jennifer's website under the P&P segment. But I am sure Meluchie's FOF website has it. I'm gonna post this on 119 also, but she has recently reorganized the photo webpage and it's terrific...new format. **** (Elena)There, I said it! There�s nothing like blurting out one�s most illogical, irrational and unfair emotions sometimes!! :-) And I'm glad you did...this is the place ..with all your kindred souls.:-)

I wish I could read lips. In the last scene just before he kisses her he says something but I can't tell what. I took my back up tape up to Ketchikan so my daughter in law could see it and guess what. I am back in Florida and it is still in Alaska. I got up one night and went down stairs and there was Michael watching it again. He said "Hi Mon, I couldn't sleep so I thought I would get up and watch Lizzie and Darcy get together at last.

Wow, you really did something right with him. A guy actually watching it by hinself. Had good Mom!!!

...and all this while I thought the painful expression was due to her not yet having relieved his suffering...?!

painful expression was due to her not yet having relieved his suffering...?! LOL, Marcia! And in that case, he's wearing that pained expression in the whole scene after the wedding, at least until he gets some relief with the kiss. Watch it again! I did last night. I love the picture Evelyn posted because it's hatless. I suppose it wouldn't be proper for him to be without it but I so wish a gust of wind had come and blown it off his head so we could see more of those curls. Ditto for the proposal scene. I confess in some scenes I think his face looks scrunched under that smokestack on his head.

The 16 year old twins watched it at least three times in the two weeks we were there. Good taste, "Wot".

Lucie, Good taste, Indeed! Heide, I wish I had been directing his last proposal scene. He would have removed his hat (gentlemen always remove their hats to a lady) and plced it over his heart as he told her that his feelings remained unchanged. It would have been perfect! I shall see how much suffereing she is going to relieve by the end of the night...(getting out the video for some serious study)...What an enchanting thought!

Whoooee, thanks for these pictures, Evelyn! Not to detract from the drooling (as if that's possible), but has anyone else noticed the difference in Darcy's skin tone just above his collar? Go back to post 593 to check it out. It looks as though his makeup was a bit short, since he's leaning over. No matter, they're still the most beautiful newlyweds ever! LOL over the carriage pic from his real wedding (aka "the tie that took over the world"). I'm sure he's not smiling because he's too busy trying not to eat his knees. He's folded up like an accordion! I, too was a bit put out by his marriage...but I had to knock myself in the head and say "For God's sake, I'm married!" That wasn't the case when I was 13 and in l-u-v with David Cassidy ;-P Marcia, if he had put that hat over his heart in the proposal scene, there wouldn't have been room for Lizzy in the frame. "Smokestack" indeed, Heide!

Have been looking at the pics again. Thanks Evelyn. In the one without his hat it looks like he's squinting in the sunlight. That or he has a small case of indigestion.

(Eileen)...has anyone else noticed the difference in Darcy's skin tone just above his collar? I had to do a double take on that but found there was a deep shadow cast by bright light (spot or reflector)to his left. Made it look awfully odd. Same problem with a shadow on his neck from the right during the Rosings piano scene. I, too was a bit put out by his marriage.. I must be the exception to the rule. Probably partly due to not being tied into any source of information until almost exactly a year ago, when I discovered the Net (and all else is history), so I missed the wedding by over a year. But I remember my initial feeling upon this discovery was one of relief! What little I knew of him before had had me worried that, at his age, he still apparently hadn't settled with someone who he could depend on and from whom he could derive support. I kept wishing that he would quit running around the world all the time and stay in one place long enough not to be the always-absent boyfriend! :-D.) I was SO glad to discover that he had found someone at last!... and I must admit that his taste in wives is apparently impeccable!! I was and am so happy for him because I wanted that for Colin-the-man more than I can say...(But this does not apply to any attitude I might have had toward Darcy...that was, and is, an entirely different kettle of fish!!) ...But I guess I don't confuse my fantasies with my perception of reality...I really wanted a stable relationship for him in real life. ( I suppose a y lack of jealousy on my part was due to the perfect understanding of the reality that that someone couldn't possibly be me!!). ;-D

Not indigestion...I still say it is the suffering that Lizzie has not yet relieved! And, are they not called "Stove-pipe Hats?" That's ok...perhaps he could have held it behind him and talked to her...*sigh*

(KJArt) I must be the exception to the rule...But I remember my initial feeling upon this discovery was one of relief! That makes two of us, my dear. :) I was pleased when i learned of his marriage... perhaps this is due in part to my not having 'a thing' for him, during his single days. Or at least, my not knowing if he was single or not during the early days of my obession... :) Not till i stumbled across Drool did i learn any of the particulars of his life. (Marcia) ...I still say it is the suffering that Lizzie has not yet relieved! Well, if Lizzie cannot do her duty, and relieve his suffering... i am more than prepared to do it for her. ;)

(EsBee)if Lizzie cannot do her duty, and relieve his suffering... i am more than prepared to do it for her. Get in line, Dear!!! My happiness for him on his marriage was also due to my unsuitability as a bride for him, as well. It is uch better than having stuff like Hugh Grant's escapades spread all over the gossip sheets, surely!

(KJArt) But I remember my initial feeling upon this discovery was one of relief...I really wanted a stable relationship for him in real life. This is precisely how I felt once logic took over. When I became aware of his existence (early '97) ODB and Livia were already rumored to be engaged. I was glad to see him settle down instead of sprouting kids all over the world ;-P Seriously (and a bit OT, but what the heck), I was also glad with Livia he put the end to his 'itinerant bachelor' lifestyle. I confess I was always curious as to why he didn't marry Meg when Will was on the way nosey,nosey,nosey. Regardless, I'm v. happy or him and impressed they were able to come to consensus about where to live. It couldn't have been easy constantly jetting from London to Rome to LA and back again (have profits fallen for British Airlines? He must have a bizillion frequent flyer miles!). The apparent decision to spend last year in Italy then settle in London must have meant sacrifice on both parts. Good for them. Now back to Darcy...his multi-colored neck in the kissing scene is quite apparent in the video. (Marcia) perhaps he could have held it behind him and talked to her...*sigh* Ummmm.

(Marcia) It is much better than having stuff like Hugh Grant's escapades spread all over the gossip sheets Absolutely. I was in pain when he got married because of pure and genuine JEALOUSY. But actually I�m very happy for the fact that his personal life is in balance and especially because the wife seems to be a woman with brains.

.....especially because the wife seems to be a woman with brains. ....And beauty, n' a pleasant personality, good sense of humor (..."not always"),looks gorgeous in all her clothes, wakes up next to ODB everyday ...and I bet she has $$$$ too.... Ya' know what? ... turning green ..I could learn to hate that woman :-D

*lol* It is taking all of my couth lessons to keep my sense of humor about the overly generously gifted and lovely and married-to-our-guy Livia. (Sucking in my gut and sticking out my proud chin in protest that I am so base as to think such things...)

(Evelyn) Ya'know what? ... turning green ...I could learn to hate that woman :-D Not I. I shall be ever grateful to that magnificent woman for getting him off The Weed, if for nothing else!! **Smeerp** hee hee

Oh heavens, YES!!! give the lady credit. She must have had something very special to replace his oral fixation....hmmmmm....;)

I shall be ever grateful to that magnificent woman for getting him off The Weed, I doubt she was the motivating force...since she currently smokes herself.

As my dear Lizzy said, (quoting loosely, you understand) my benevolence and good will towards Livia are all done away by seeing you all so full of both! I am sorry to say that I am irrationally jealous of her and cannot but feel cheated...Of course, I wish him happy and I am glad he has found someone he loves enough to have married, but cannot help to wish that his welfare depended upon myself rather than upon anyone else. This is all due to my insane infatuation with him. I am really a sen ible girl...

since she currently smokes herself. She does?? Where did you get that from, Evelyn? This is all due to my insane infatuation with him. I am really a sensible girl Lol! About as insane and sensible as the rest of us it seems. But you can always try to comfort yourself by thinking about the regrettable fact that he didn�t know you before he married Livia. That�s the essential point.....if he had known you, the story could be quite different!!...:-)

Livia and her friends and Colin's relatives were smoking inside the Donmar (even though it has a no-smoking policy) during the interval. ;-D

I withdraw all approval I heretofore gave to her. Unworthy!

Livia and her friends and Colin's relatives were smoking Sorry for continuing this tangent on Darcy's topic, but I can't resist another question---was she seen smoking or was it assumed in conjunction with that "not always" comment? If she is indeed a smoker, I give more credit to Colin for quitting. It must be very hard (unless he kicks her out of the house before she lights up;-))!

....-was she seen smoking or was it assumed in conjunction with that "not always" comment? She was seen smoking....and the "not always" comment was overheard by a fellow smoker standing next to her.I would bet the motivating force was his son. Young children are adamant about the ramifications of smoking. Get indoctrinated at school.

REALLY?? HORRORS!!! So THAT'S why he has been taking back-to-back projects all the time ... to escape the temptation to resume the wicked habit at home!! Then I am doubly impressed at his quitting and sticking with it!! Let's hope HE converts HER, then! 8-D That's what I get for making assumptions

(Evelyn) I would bet the motivating force was his son. Actually I always assumed that he quit smoking simply because of his job. Heavy smoking affects one�s looks and voice. You know, premature ageing, unclear skin, wrinkles, stuffed voice and bad condition in general. Karen, I didn�t know that the Italian crowd was smoking in the Donmar. Poor Colin, it�s terrible to have a smoker in the house when one tries to get rid of the habit.

(Evelyn) I would bet the motivating force was his son. I bet the motivating factor was the heavy weighting of life assurance companies against smokers. He is bound to have taken out further policies because of house buying, new responsibilities etc. and looking at the actuarial consequencies of being a smoker may have finally given him the strength to give up. "An old enemy" was what he called his habit, so he must have tried before.

(KJArt) That's what I get for making assumptions You weren't alone--I made the same assumption, likely comparing it to my own situation. My DH smoked for more than 20 years before we started dating. He quit because of me. Must have been that gas mask I wore whenever we went out :-D Whatever his reasons for quitting, I am exceeding glad he did and hope he meets his goal to keep off the *&%$ things. An old enemy, indeed!

Just throwing this one in OT.... Jennifer quit smoking last year too! She had one relapse that she confessed to...the day she moved into her new flat at the beginning of the year...said she smoked a pack one after the other.... But is clean now. I noticed in TRT others in the cast smoked onstage but she didn't despite the fact that the written play gave directions for Annie (JE) to smoke. Colin didn't smoke in 3 DOR either even though Mr. Greenberg had Walker smoking

Although it shocks me to see the sudden psychological violence to which smokers are being subjected in countries like the US and Canada, I am a nonsmoker and love it when someone quits. My DH quit too and kissing him is so much pleasanter since! ;-)

Someone posted this on the RoP, P&P board. "....has anyone noticed that in PP2 Darcy looks out windows frequently? I don't know if this was done on purpose, or just an interesting coincidence. It seems to be saying that Darcy longs to break free of his confined world and emotions" *** "....And did you notice, then, that at Pemberley, Lizzy looks out a window? She's thinking of being "trapped" by a certain someone...or remembering Netherfield?" ******* Well, what do you think? Was this a coincidence or was Andrew Davies trying to convey something about their subliminal feelings?

I will not let this ruin my opinion of Livia's other virtues and really good effect she seems to have on him and the great affection he seems to have for her. Mustn't throw stones ... lived in a glass house nearly thirty years before succeeding (didn't really try before ...), so Colin's record is probably much better than mine ... and she's still young and inclined toward the immortality theory, I'm sure. At that age they still are.

Re: Windows - It seems to be saying that Darcy longs to break free of his confined world and emotions" I like that idea, Evelyn. Is there a more self-contained creature than Darcy in P&P? (For myself, I prefer to use the film rather than the book for drool discussions.) The few times he does let his emotions get the best of him, it shocks us and everyone around him - Lizzy is shocked by his proposal, Caroline is shocked by his "Wot?" outburst. I like the idea of him wanting to brek free of his self imposed restraints and find the window symbol apropos. Of course, he could just like looking at his refl ction in the window (as in the mirror scenes). that at Pemberley, Lizzy looks out a window? She's thinking of being "trapped" by a certain someone...or remembering Netherfield?" Can't say I buy this. Lizzy has no need for the tight restraints on her character. I don't think Darcy ever made her feel trapped. Perhaps conflicted and confused. If Davies meant to convey that, it doesn't work for me in Lizzy's case but I do think the meaning behind the window gazing by Darcy is quite clear. BTW, the Garson/Olivier P&P was on TV a few nights back. I only watched a few minutes because it is such an abomination. I mean, the plot twist at the end involving Lady Catherine was horrific and I won't even mention the costumes. Found it funny to see Mary going into a Rare Books Shop . What kind of books would have been rare in 1810? Gutenberg's Bible? (just teasing)

Speaking of Lady Catherine, I was watching "The Merry War" last night, which what they renamed "Keep the Aspidistra Flying" and Barbara Leigh-Hunt was in it, looking/acting very Lady C as the boarding house owner...more so than as Robert Lawrence's mom. ;-D

...then at Pemberley, Lizzy looks out a window. She's thinking of being "trapped" by a certain someone...or remembering Netherfield?" (Heide)... Lizzy has no need for the tight restraints on her character. I don't think Darcy ever made her feel trapped. Perhaps conflicted and confused. But if you look at Lizzy being confined to her own character by her prejudice against Mr. Darcy...the he did trap her in a way. She has read the letter, listened to Mrs. Reynolds, looks at the portrait of this genuine man...then goes to the window.I can see where the window could be symbolic of wanting to break out of her current thinking. Of course, then she meets him by the lake ...and the rest is history:-)

Lizzy looks out a window? She's thinking of being "trapped" by a certain someone... But if you look at Lizzy being confined to her own character by her prejudice against Mr. Darcy...the he did trap her in a way. Or you could look at it this way.... she has trapped herself by her violent prejudice of the man and realization is setting in? Still not sure if I buy it though. She hasn't even been overcome yet by the wet shirt and I don't think she faces her prejudice until Lydia runs away. Simply pondering here.

Heide - I totally agree on the Olivier version of P&P...from the opening moments, not only the costumes, but the age of Greer Garson playing "Lizzie" was was SUCH a HOOT!!!! It was like a "middle-aged" Pride & Prejudice!!! And I'm not being TOTALLY prejudiced, since I turned 40 yrs. old 2 weeks ago!!! Whew!!! I understand from previous conversations "on-line" about the craziness of the "Olivier" version, the following:The producers were trying to capitolize on the "Gone With The Wind" fad, re:costumes (the cinched waists,etc.), but what a difference from MY favorite version, the Colin/Jennifer version!!! Appropriate ages, costumes, etc...!!! The hats in the Olivier version looked like "Personal Satellite Dishes", compared to the Colin version!!!!!

I think I will not participate in this conversation...I always feel the need to defend Olivier, when it was the director and producers who should be faulted. (slinking back to Geo unitl the Olivier problems go away.)

(Evelyn) I can see where the window could be symbolic of wanting to break out of her current thinking. I interpret Lizzy looking out of the window at Pemberley as symbolic of her having penetrated Darcy's private world, and looking from the inside instead of being a spectator looking in from the outside. This scene is particularly mentioned in the book, where JA even says that Lizzy moves from window to window, seeing the different views with delight. This gives me the impression that she realizes there are different ways to look at the events that have occurred. Davies was very smart in including this par , and I agree that the symbolism of Darcy gazing out is very sharp. My favorite is when he looks out at the carriage and says, in that wonderful voice of his, "Quite the contrary, I assure you."

Absolutely, I agree, Lidya...and I get chills just hearing him in my mind saying it. I will never get past Darcy, I am afraid. Imagine seeing him live in London!!! *Huge Sigh*

I agree with you Marcia. In 1947 (or whenever) they didn't know any better. I still contend, after looking at the closing credits, that the movie was in turn an adaptation of a stage play of the period ... it certainly plays like one. And if it's any comfort to the rest of you, Olivier's arm had to be twisted hard to get him to take this part (they had ways in those days ... ). :-)

MarciaH and everybody...I did not intend to "diss" Olivier... in fact, he is QUITE fabulous as Darcy....I was just surprised at the costuming...which obviously he would have had no control over.

You mean you did not like the dotted Swiss Chastity Belt masquerading as a hoop skirt on GG??!! LOL, neither did I in that movie!!!

(Marcia)I will never get past Darcy, I am afraid. Imagine seeing him live in London!!! *Huge Sigh* Ah, but we didn't meet Darcy in London, Marcia... We met this excellent actor and very pleasant bloke, Colin Firth...

I could not believe what they did you the P&P story in the O/G version. JA must have been rolling over in her grave. That lame garden party instead of the Netherfiled Ball, the changed ending where Lady Catherine put Lizzy to a test and passed with flying colors which then in turn induced LC to welcome Lizzy into the family-please let's get real. Longbourne looked like it was the town flea market with those birdcages and knick-knacks everywhere. The changes AD made to the CF/JE version are small compared o that version.

Paraphrasing ODB, he notes that a great deal of our unhappiness is caused by expectations. I think that is the case here. P&P0, as it's been called, is quite an enjoyable movie, as long as you watch it for what it is, not for what you expect it to be. If you expect it to mirror the efforts of the redoubtable Miss Austen, then you are bound to be disappointed. All Miss Austen did, as far as 40's Hollywood was concerned, was to suggest a premise, and they took it from there, no longer consulting the original. Movies averaged about 70 to 100 minutes at that time, and everything was expected to be wrapped up by then. Un er those constraints, they couldn't possibly deal with all of the plot elements nor wrap them up as neatly and completely as a 5-hr. mini series is able to do. I still watch it on occasion. I simply go along with the new plot line, dialog, etc., and sit back and enjoy some really good performances by the character actors of the day. I savor some especially witty remarks and also some elements of the original that were EXCLUDED from the A&E extravaganza, such as Mrs. Bennett's abrupt about-face in her opinion of Mr. Darcy once she realizes that he is to become her future son-in-law. I was really waiting in hope at the end of P&P2 for that scene to appear, and because I had that expectation, I was very disappointed in it on first exposure. But it grew on me with each new viewing until I "forgave" A. Davies for leaving such a savory part of of his version. (Same with Colin's performance ... I was expecting -- [that is, Hoping for] something else, and was not sure I liked this new version of Mr. Darcy. It was only when I took it for what it was, rather than what I wanted it to be, hat I began to appreciate this powerful and subtle performance [I must have -- I'm here aren't I?] ;-D ). Thus, I can appreciate P&P0 for what it is and P&P2 for what it is, which is entirely different. (I can also appreciate P&P1 for what it is, although I'm afraid one can carry this process only so far (Hee hee)). Still, all versions contribute something different. I think of P&P0 as a fluffy H'wood comedy, don't expect it to resemble the original in the least, and watch it again and again on that level with a great deal of enjoyment. And within the context of that story, I think Olivier's performance was wonderful!

(KJArt)Re: All versions of P&P.. Still, all versions contribute something different. Thank you for an insightful comparison. I shall have to remember that ...not only about P&P , but all remakes.

until I "forgave" A. Davies for leaving such a savory part of of his version. (Same with Colin's performance ... There's no way of knowing with absolute certainty what was really left out of the script itself. Some portion of the shot material must have ended on the cutting room floor. While blaming A. Davies for missing scenes and criticizing actors for apparently failing to enact something, do not forget that the final say was with the director, script and film editors, and - above all - the producers.

...And after that, a good perspective on my own prejudices. I think that is one great value of #98 -- it forces you to confront your own prejudices and expectations that you employ while viewing a work. These really do alter perception. Often we will "remember" a detail in a particular movie which was not there at all, but which we *wanted* to be there. :-D

(KJ) Often we will "remember" a detail in a particular movie which was not there at all, but which we *wanted* to be there. :-D And these are not *small* details, are they? ;-D

Well, going by the average level of responses in this group, I would tend to estimate some very extensive imaginations, resulting in substantial detailing, yes. This is an estimate only. ;-D

And of course we are very, very serious and have no ability to differentiate fantasy from reality. ;-) My fantasy of Darcy started as a 13-year old when I first read the book. Colin's portrayal was the only one that has fulfilled it. Couldn't abide P&P0 when I first saw it pre-Colin and I can't abide it now.

I hadn't even read the book until I saw the 1995 TV version. I am totally unable to visualize a different Darcy. Correction: I am able to visualize almost anything, but I can only accept Colin Firth as Darcy.

but I can only accept Colin Firth as Darcy. Quite right my dear. I think it's time for another Darcy fix. ;-)

Right - so once again, what's your order of preference? :-)

Since you asked, PP2 is the best. I have watched PP1 several times as well, but PP0 I don't even consider as P&P. Olivier is Heathcliff, Anthony Andrews(sp?) is Sir Percy(The Scarlet Pimpernel), and Colin Firth is Mr. Darcy. Punto e a capo!

Bene! E da capo al fine. So how about the best Darcy moments in PP2 again? In case anyone has doubts... ;-)

All?! My list is endless... ;-D (Oh, why does the series have to have all those other people? excepting Lizzy of course)

I think a rehash of Darcy moments would be perfect. How about a vote for all-time favorite? (Is that possible?) I submit three now. Add on, anybody and then we can put all entries up for a vote. And if no one submits any, then mine win! Hah! a) gazing at Lizzy playing after the tub scene b) at the piano at Rosings "You're perfectly right". c) running into her at Pemberley "And your parents are in good health?..and all your sisters?" Just realized that two of the three aren't even in the book. So you can still mess with perfection and come out ahead.

a) The look when he enters Longbourn before the second proposal. b) The smile when she plays the pianoforte in Pemberley. c) When they first touch hands at the Ball (for the dance). d) When they meet �On foot?� at Netherfield.

a) Darcy waiting to dance with Lizzy at Netherfield and then his bow. b) Darcy turning to look at Lizzy when the heads part at the ball. c) Darcy leaning his head back in the chair while writing the letter at Rosings. d) The looks of misery on his face as he leaves Hunsford after the rejection and right before he takes the pond plunge (I am a real sucker for Darcy in torment).

You guys have picked all the winners. I'll add : a) The look when he tenderly takes her hand at the Lambton Inn. b) When he takes her hand as she leaves Pemberley with the Gardiners...(and the cameras zoom in on the hands....is that erotic, or what!!) (They only **touch** three times in 6 hours....what torment!) c) The look on his face when he goes to visit her at Hunsford and is trying to be so casual and yet so shy...."you wouldn't want to always live near your family.."

And where does the sweaty, disheveled Darcy (post-dueling) who says "I will conquer this" rate on your list, Heide? ;-D

And the scene when he's talking to Bingley before leaving for London... "Utterly and completely...." "Do you need my blessing?... Then go to it!" And what about the avenging angel? Wandering through the streets? Knocking on Mrs Younge's door? Have we got them all now?

My God!! Ladies!! Omitting the very essence of Darcymania?? How can you?? a) His long-strided return to Pemberly from his little dip. b) the embarrassment when he comes face-to-face with his beloved moments after. c) The "Pride" debate at Netherfield. d) his long, analytical stare when she disagrees with him about "accomplished" women. e) The look he gives her after complimenting her "fine eyes". f) His eyes following her as she walks under his nose after the rejection at the Meryton Ball. And on. And on ...

And all the times he rides a horse: a) Racing with Bingley b) Meeting E at Rosings c) Galloping to Pemberley d) Galloping to Lambton e) Arriving at Longbourn with Bingley He rides so well! :-)

Lord! This is what happens to me when I stay away from Drool, all my favorite moments have been listed!! I shall add this, * Gazing out the window when Lizzy leaves Netherfield. "Quite the contrary, I assure you." * When he stands up to walk away from Mr. Collins at the ball, who ends up staring at his chest. * When he embraces Georgiana and presses her against him (I nearly fainted when I saw that in slow motion!) * "Every savage can dance" * "I should as soon call her mother a wit" * "WHAT?" * The sight of him in knee-high boots and tight breeches at Pemberley. Drooling myself away as I write...

Undressing before the swim!

And leaning on the mantle, dog at his feet, candle in hand, thinking of Elizabeth after she's left Pemberley.

And walking down the corridor with the dogs (after reprimanding Miss Bingley) and looking mighty pleased with himself. Ans have we had watching Lizzy from the window after he's taken his bath? Oh, and in the bath... The list is endless!

(Moon Dreams) And all the times he rides a horse: ... Agreed ... in this and in every other role he's played involving astride equine transportation! (**SIGH**)

OK - here's a difficult one: the LEAST favourite moment?

(Arami) ... the LEAST favourite moment? Poor guy ... having to deliver that line: "May I summon him?" :-)

(Arami) ... the LEAST favourite moment? Every moment in P&P without Darcy (okay, it's a cheap answer, I know). (Moon Dreams) And all the times he rides a horse: (KJArt) ... Agreed ... in this and in every other role he's played involving astride equine transportation! (**SIGH**) This is one of the compelling reasons that ODB simply must do Flashy...he's constantly astride - cantering, trotting, galloping - Arab horses, ponies, mules...and women.

I know I am out of sync with the above but I think the P&P0 version was made to capitalize on the popularity of Gone With The Wind. Hence the costumes etc. A. I love the scene where he walks around, sits down, gets up, walks around again, taking deep breaths all the time and then proposes to her at Huntsford cottage. b. When he sees Wickham the first time at Meryton, and sits back on his horse and rides stiffly away. C The way he stalks back to Rosings after she refuses him, we can just see his back but you can tell he is mad, frustrated and hurt just by watching him. D The look on his face when he is writing to Lizzie telling her about Wickham and Georgianna. In one scene he has tears in his eyes and shuts them to get rid of the tears. It makes me want to cry for him. E the look on his face as he slams the billard ball into the pocket after she leaves the doorway. The list goes on. I would say every scene he is in would suffice.

My favourite moments? Well, every one of you have already mentioned. Least favourite? The first ball, when he is so despising of everything around him(although I have acted in the same way, I'm sure)and (stone me) the toothy grin at the end.

Every moment in P&P without Darcy (okay, it's a cheap answer, I know). That'll do me. Please don't confuse cheapness with honesty! ;-) When he sees Wickham the first time at Meryton, and sits back on his horse and rides stiffly away. Oh, yes! How could I forget! That flash of noble indignation and disgust in his eyes - simply incomparable! The look on his face when he is writing to Lizzie... as he slams the billard ball... every scene he is in..." Yes, yes, YES!

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...The look on his face when he is writing to Lizzie telling her about Wickham and Georgianna. Inone scene he has tears in his eyes and shuts them to get rid of the tears. Gee, I'm gonna have to look at this one again..I don't remember those tears. Do you have DVD, Lucie? ***** Least Fave Moment: (Gi)....(stone me) the toothy grin at the end. Ya better duck!! :-D ***** Fave Moment.. (Lucie) (the look on his face as he slams the billard ball into the pocket after she leaves the doorway. Absolutely.....the most erotic moment in the whole thing.... The cue stick....the red ball....WOW...that Andrew Davies is quite a guy!!

.I don't remember those tears. No tears, I don't think. He's no cry-baby. Just deeply tormented.

(Gi) Least favourite? The first ball, when he is so despising of everything around him (although I have acted in the same way, I'm sure)... Oh, yes. Especially that look of contemptuous amusement at that gaffe made by Mr. Collins with Lizzy ... you just wanted to slap his gloating face!! and (stone me) the toothy grin at the end. Consider yourself stoned ... twice! ;-D . (Lucie) (the look on his face as he slams the billard ball into the pocket after she leaves the doorway. (Evelyn) Absolutely.....the most erotic moment in the whole thing.... Weeelllll..... (Evelyn) ... b) When he takes her hand as she leaves Pemberley with the Gardiners...(and the cameras zoom in on the hands....is that erotic, or what!!) (They only **touch** three times in 6 hours....what torment!) Closer ... closer ..... For me, the most erotic moment was The Look at Pemberley (small) ... Across a crowded room ... Absolutely electrifying!! 8-P~~~~~~~~

The hands touching at the Netherfield ball is the most electrifyingly erotic moment for me, followed by the "wham bam, thank you ma'am, red ball in the side pocket." ;-D

(Gi)....(stone me) the toothy grin at the end How could you? Gi....Wanna take it back? :-))))

No I don't have DVD. My son has it and I dion't like it. I love the look he gives Caroline when she is abusing Lizzie so abominably after she and the Gardiners leave Pemberley. If she had looked at him she might have shut up or choked. Talk about a drop dear dearie look.

One more try on that picture.....Count Almasy is at it again...could have sworn it came out the first time....

sorry...won't work :-(

Not exactly the same one, Evelyn, but here: What's wrong with this smile? Maybe it's your TV set, Gi. ;-D

Gi, I have to admit I am not a huge fan of the toothy grin either. I found it so shocking the first time I saw the film. He almost looks like a completely different person, not the Darcy of the "oh-so-subtle smile" we had come to know and love over the last five hours. But, the big smile look has grown on me over many repeated viewings.

Gi and Jana, you're very brave. But now that you mention it, the grin was a bit shocking the very first time. Certainly has grown on me. Wow! The list goes on and on. I'm copying them all, including the "Worst" and "Most Erotic" if anyone wants to continue. For me the worst was at the Inn in Lambton when Lizzy is telling Darcy the news. He gives a little shudder when she says about Wickham, "You know him too well to doubt the rest." I always avert my eyes when he gives that shudder - it seems out of character to me.

Au contraire - the gooey look at the piano, little shudders, the way he reaches out to touch her hand at the inn, all this is glimpses of the real man under the mask he consciously wears in public... the final toothy grin is the surprising moment when that mask finally slips quite openly. Not permanently and for ever, mind you, but just a longer moment of personal relief and happiness.

Well, It should really be "all these are glimpses..." :-)

the gooey look at the piano, You call it gooey, I call it yummy.

Jana and Heide, thanks for your support... I was getting all bruised <-( And KJ, I really meant the first ball at Meryton, when he comes in as an invited guest, doesn't know anybody in the room yet looks at them so disdainfully. That is when he refuses to dance with Lizzy. I really was disgusted by him then, and it took me a while to forgive and change my feelings for him.

As I hadn't yet read the book when I saw him in the first Meryton scene, I was convinced he was bad news and some sort of a dark anti-hero. I expected him to introduce a tragic twist of sorts. And then the black veil gradually lifted... and suddenly I understood... and then I felt elated and happy and completely overwhelmed - just like Lizzy... You call it gooey, I call it yummy. I call it both. It makes me smile back - and fall in love again.

(Susan Johnson) If you�re not already swooning, you obviously missed Colin Firth�s sodden Mr Darcy climbing out of the pond I realize now that I must have missed something. Imagine, I�m swooning although I�ve never seen him climb out of the pond!!.......But does he really CLIMB OUT of it in some of the P&P versions? In the two-pack I managed to buy from Video Plus Direct in 1996 he just jumps into the pond and swims underwater, and next he walks toward Pemberley.

Same here, Elena. Our six-tape version only shows those scenes. He does rise up out of the bath...but alas and alack, some other bozo (oops, I mean his valet) is standing in the way with a robe. ;-D

Susan was taking artistic license, I'm sure. Unless she's psychotic and is confusing wishful thinking and reality! (Karen) some other bozo (oops, I mean his valet) is standing in the way with a robe. ;-D Tee hee! Pity...some things had to be left to our ferTILE imaginations.

Actually this is not the first time that I read about Colin emerging from the pond with water dripping, or climbing out of it like S. Johnson put it. It�s a bit strange to talk about a scene which doesn�t exist, isn�t it! I suppose these people haven�t actually seen P&P at all.

Ya know...I must be one of the few for whom the wet shirt did nothing. It made no significant impression insofar as 'getting me going' when I first saw P&P2 and the countless times I've watched since reading about the all the fuss over it. But give me the Pemberley piano scene and the *look* and I'm reduced to mush every time.

Lol Eileen, the wet shirt really is not the hottest thing in P&P for me either. Who says it is?!?! What�s so sexy about it anyway, compared to *some* other scenes. I have a theory that the whole wet shirt mythology was made up by the press, namely by the male writers. They possibly just couldn�t see what was it in Darcy that made women so wild and the only explanation seemed to be the wet shirt!

I think the "Wet Shirt" wave was started from that famous Bridge Jones' interview. Did she keep mentioning it and annoyed ODB?

I have to agree. The wet shirt was no big deal. Now if he had NO shirt on walking the grounds of Pemberley, well, that would be another story. (You know how men enjoy a wet t-shirt contest.)

(Karen) You know how men enjoy a wet t-shirt contest. That�s exactly what I mean (but I wasn�t quite sure if things like that happen outside Finland. I see that�s universal entertainment!). And poor guys imagine that women must be just as crazy about a person in wet clothing as they are :-)

(Elena) but I wasn�t quite sure if things like that happen outside Finland. I see that�s universal entertainment!. Men have not evolved beyond that level of entertainment worldwide. And poor guys imagine that women must be just as crazy about a person in wet clothing as they are :-) hee hee (Xian) I think the "Wet Shirt" wave was started from that famous Bridge Jones' interview. Did she keep mentioning it and annoyed ODB? Oh no, it's the other way around. Helen Fielding used it because it was already such a big thing in the UK. I believe one of the *wet shirts* was auctioned off for charity.

Well, I sincerely wish that Colin doesn�t think like men in general in this case!!! =That women liked him as Darcy mainly because of the wet shirt!

In Portugal condoms are also called shirts, and so are they in Brazil:-)

(Elena) Well, I sincerely wish that Colin doesn�t think like men in general in this case!!! =That women liked him as Darcy mainly because of the wet shirt! Colin did talk about it on the third week's TV Guide in UK. This is what he said: "I wore football shorts in Fever Pitch and a codpiece in Shakespeare in Love, but all everyone remembers is a white linen shirt!".

but all everyone remembers is a white linen shirt!". Hey, was that Darcy's, Valmount's or the Advocate's? Gi, thanks for sharing that wet tid-bit. ;-)

(Eileen) Ya know...I must be one of the few for whom the wet shirt did nothing. I didn't particularly notice it (or the tight breeches) until I went on-line and read all of the media comments. What impressed me the most was Darcy's expressions of misery before the dive and embarrassment upon meeting Lizzy afterwards and the wrenching vulnerability with which CF so quietly yet powerfully invested the character in that scene.

(Lynda)....embarrassment upon meeting Lizzy afterwards and the wrenching vulnerability with which CF so quietly yet powerfully invested the character in that scene. I'm going to give Lizzy a little credit on that scene...because I think they both had to play it in sync for the scene to turn out so well. Let's face it...it wasn't a monologue:-)

The wet shirt has become so symbolic of his sex appeal now. It's a universal point of reference for all his fans, isn't it? Don't we all pick out the wet shirt scenes now? Even in Three Days of Rain. So maybe we were led by the nose by the media's fascination with it but I kind of like it. Better than a bare chest and rippling muscles.

(Elena) Actually this is not the first time that I read about Colin emerging from the pond with water dripping, or climbing out of it like S. Johnson put it. It�s a bit strange to talk about a scene which doesn�t exist, isn�t it! I suppose these people haven�t actually seen P&P at all. Oh, I daresay they did. It just illustrates beautifully the point I made awhile back at 660,to wit: (KJ) Often we will "remember" a detail in a particular movie which was not there at all, but which we *wanted* to be there. :-D And considering the repercussions of this particular but seemingly universal invention, Karen's remark was so apt: (Karen) And these are not *small* details, are they? ;-D Yes, and also, it seems, long-lasting! ;-D

(Eileen) Ya know...I must be one of the few for whom the wet shirt did nothing. / ... / But give me the Pemberley piano scene and the *look* and I'm reduced to mush every time. I'm 100% with you on this one, Eileen!! I think the exaggerated effect of the wet shirt was because it represented a rare "unbuttoned" moment in an otherwise tightly controlled and "buttoned-up" culture ... it was not only a revelation, but a relief! :-) I remember showing a set of stills taken from the tape to a girlfriend of mine. It represented only a small portion of that movie right around the end of episode 3 and the beginning of 4. I watched her go through them with a quizzical expression on her face which expressed louder than words the opinion:'I just don't get what you see in this bloke!' ... until she came to a shot of The Look. All was revealed! The response: "oh, yeh!" (hee hee) She saw the light. But not in the wet shirt!!

(KJ)a rare "unbuttoned" moment Quite right m�dear! That is what makes the scene important, not the wetness exactly. Darcy is vulnerable and human all of a sudden, we see his bare skin and can imagine what it feels like to walk in a wet shirt in a summer breeze. He looks like any fresh, young and lovable man with damp hair and not like the proud, disagreeable man with ten thousand a year. To come to think of it, every time I see this part of the film I can almost sense the smell of the grass, the horse, leather etc.! Proves something about the sensual effect of the scene.

(Elena) And poor guys imagine that women must be just as crazy about a person in wet clothing as they are :-) Sad, but true! Well said. "I wore football shorts in Fever Pitch and a codpiece in Shakespeare in Love, but all everyone remembers is a white linen shirt!". I remember this quote, Xian. The press' persistent recollection of Darcy at the expense of all his other work must bug the cr*p out of ODB. Which is why I think he won't do Mark Darcy. Oops, wouldn't do to bring that up on this topic. (KJArt) the exaggerated effect of the wet shirt was because it represented a rare "unbuttoned" moment in an otherwise tightly controlled and "buttoned-up" culture Good insight. (KJArt)I remember showing a set of stills taken from the tape to a girlfriend of mine That's pretty much how it went with me, although I wasn't watching Darcy in particular (the first time I saw P&P2, that is). I was totally absorbed by the story until the *look*. After that, it was Colin first, story second. *Sigh* Life hasn't been the same since! (Elena)To come to think of it, every time I see this part of the film I can almost sense the smell of the grass, the horse, leather etc.! Ahh, yes. I'm gonna have to watch this again (right after I see Another Country, freshly taped this morning).

My favourite shirt scene is not the wet one, but the letter-writing after the first proposal. Does he look gorgeous when he lays back and exposes that neck any vampire would die for! ;-)

(Gi) exposes that neck any vampire would die for! ;-) LOL! Oh yes, yes, YES!! There�s absolutely enough vampire in me to appreciate that sight, I assure you. Actually this is among the top five Darcy moments...

Elena, Can you tell me what are the top five Darcy moments? Where have they been voted ?

Hey Karen, I finally got in and thanks for your support.

(Xian) Can you tell me what are the top five Darcy moments Xian, you tell me! I believe the voting is still going on, forever I guess!! Actually, I�m talking about the recent discussion here, starting from Heide�s response nro 670, or earlier.....I still haven�t been able to decide what�s my number One.

....I believe the voting is still going on, forever I guess!! We never came to any conclusion....(this is a difficult crowd to get any consensus:-) Xian & Nancy Pl.why don't you give us your favorite Darcy scenes. Mine were.... 1. "On foot?" 2. When he takes her hand at the Netherfield Ball 3. When he helps her into the carriage at Pemberley 4. Everybody's favorite....watching Lizzy play the pianoforte at Pemberley 5. Taking her hand at the Lamton Inn But running close is the billiard scene....erotic, wow! Ok...what are yours?

(KJ) Often we will "remember" a detail in a particular movie which was not there at all, but which we *wanted* to be there. :-D It is actually a measure of the film's success when it manages to make the audience "see" what is only hinted upon. the exaggerated effect of the wet shirt was because it represented a rare "unbuttoned" moment in an otherwise tightly controlled and "buttoned-up" culture Well put. The scene was in fact a somewhat bold metaphor aiming at the above described effect (and achieving it quite memorably, as it appears) and only works when viewed exclusively from the modern perspective. It doesn't work in the same way - or even at all - when one realizes that historically and factually it would have been highly improbable. The knowledge of that changes the effect for me and makes me totally immune to the dangling wet shirttail factor: instad of drooling, I feel uncomfortable like Darcy and embarrassed like Lizzy :-)

I mean "instead", of course. Hey, is Nancy another newbie here? welcome, sister-in-drool, welcome in Drool, sister. ;-)

Arami, don't you have a present for your Mr. Darcy today?

Yes, Nancy is a newbie. She jumped into Drool to wish Colin a happy B-day and we've been welcoming her there.

(Eileen) Which is why I think he won't do Mark Darcy. Perhaps not, sigh. However, CF was quoted in January in The Mail on Sunday as saying "I'm quite happy for it (Mr. Darcy) to follow me around a bit." and the blurb in the August issue of People has him saying " At any point in an actor's life , to have made a genuine impact is something to be cherished." Perhaps he's softened his attitude towards our beloved Mr. Darcy. MD doesn't have to be played like FD (though he must be kept out of a wet, white shirt).

He was quoted as saying in Parade Mag (July): "it's boring to play the same kind of role again and again". The way BJD was written, it *is* the same role. However, they've had enough time to conceive a whole new concept and story by now. The finished product may not resemble anything we have in mind (that's it! Everyone knows horror is hot right now! Bridget will be an ancient witch and Mark will be the documentary film student investigating her death. Or Bridget will have an uncanny ability to see dea people, and Mark will be her psychologist. Yeah--that's the ticket!) ;-P The People quote is also a re-tread. But who knows? If they ever get around to announcing the cast, our endless speculation will be put to rest. Amen!

Bridget will be an ancient witch and Mark will be the documentary film student investigating her death. Or Bridget will have an uncanny ability to see dead people, and Mark will be her psychologist. Yeah--that's the ticket!) ;-P Hon, you gotta go to Hollywood. You've missed your calling!! ROTFLMAO

(Eileen) Or Bridget will have an uncanny ability to see dead people LOL! As long as MD isn't one of the corpses. I have had quite enough of CF in that role. I must read BJD again, because I never got the impression that MD was as repressed and (outwardly) arrogant and snobbish as FD initially appeared, or as tortured, either.

(MD)Arami, don't you have a present for your Mr. Darcy today? What could I give him that he hasn't been offered already? :-)

Xian, and others, by all means add your favorite Darcy moments. I'll list below those already offered in order of appearance in the video. I'll start with what's on Tape 1 (of the 3-tape set) which ends with after the ball with Lizzy's refusal of Mr. Collins' marriage proposal. 1) Racing with Bingley on horseback 2) His eyes following her as she walks under his nose after the rejection at the Meryton Ball. 3) "I should as soon call her mother a wit." 4) "Every savage can dance." 5) The look he gives her after complimenting her "fine eyes" 6) When they meet "On foot?" at Netherfield 7) The look on his face as he slams the billard ball into the pocket after she leaves the doorway. 8) In the bath. 9) Gazing at Lizzy playing after the tub scene 10)His long, analytical stare when she disagrees with him about "accomplished" women. 11)The "Pride" debate at Netherfield. 12)Gazing out the window when Lizzy leaves Netherfield. "Quite the contrary, I assure you." 13)When he sees Wickham the first time at Meryton, and sits back on his horse and rides stiffly away. 14)Darcy turning to look at Lizzy when the heads part at the ball. 15)Darcy waiting to dance with Lizzy at Netherfield and then his bow. 16)When they first touch hands at the Ball (for the dance) 17)When he stands up to walk away from Mr. Collins at the ball, who ends up staring at his chest.

(Lynda)CF was quoted in January in The Mail on Sunday as saying "I'm quite happy for it (Mr. Darcy) to follow me around a bit." And I�m quite happy that he said that (I didn�t know he did, thanks for telling us Lynda). I�ve always been pretty annoyed by the fact that he doesn�t seem to be happy and proud of the role that made him a national institution (according to Channel Four)!! And where would he be now without Darcy?

(Lynda) I must read BJD again, because I never got the impression that MD was as repressed and (outwardly) arrogant and snobbish as FD initially appeared, or as tortured, either. And FD didn't wear bumblebee socks and hideous diamond-patterned sweaters, but we won't split hairs, will we? Tee hee!

Evelyn, my favorite Darcy scene is the look on his face after he was rejected from his first proposal. He kills me everytime with that look, that look of utter disappointment!!!!! My second favorite is the look on his face when Lizzy tells him at the end of the sixth tape "that her feelings are quite the opposite". Hi Arami, yes I am new and I love it very much indeed.

(Nancy)...my favorite Darcy scene is the look on his face after he was rejected from his first proposal...... that look of utter disappointment!!!!! My second favorite is the look on his face when Lizzy tells him at the end of the sixth tape "that her feelings are quite the opposite". I think you're the first one who has named those scenes as her Darcy favorites...am I right??? The second one has been discussed a lot...some people find it obscure. See, that's what I like about newbies, they bring us a new perspective on scenes.

I�ve always been pretty annoyed by the fact that he doesn�t seem to be happy and proud of the role that made him a national institution (according to Channel Four)!! And where would he be now without Darcy? I think Colin may have been worried at first incase he became typecast. In the UK, paradoxically, success can sometimes badly misfire, because the viewing public are unwilling to accept the actor in any different role. I remember CF commented that he was very worried after playing Darcy because, for the first time in his career, offers of work actually dried up!! And there was a review of Nostromo in the Daily Telegraph (female reviewer (and Italian!))in which the usually sensible reviewer wrote that wh n she saw him in a beard she could have wept (she complained she couldn't see his mouth!). So I'm afraid that over here "heart-throb" actors really aren't taken very seriously (handsome actors can't act, you see!) I'm sure that CF wouldn't relish the hunk label...it can seriously damage your career!!

Bethan, thanks for the inspiration! Top 10 Reasons Why CF is such a Hunk. 10) I lost track of all his Internet sites. 9) We spend quite a bit of time fussing over him. 8) We spend quite a bit of time drooling over him. 7) Who else looks so good in Arsenal boxers? 6) Dear Husbands everywhere are ready to challenge him to a duel. mine is 5) Makes us go out and watch his other films, many times over. 4) Makes women fly to London to see him in a play, repeatedly! 3) He smiles too much. ;-) 2) He sings, he dances, he plays guitar... 1) He is a man without fault!

(Bethan)So I'm afraid that over here "heart-throb" actors really aren't taken very seriously (handsome actors can't act, you see!) So, how come the Britsh public goes crazy over US "heart-throbs" when most of them can't act?Brad Pitts, Tom Cruise,Richard Gere, Kevin Costner...those guys make the "Favorite Actors List" in UK Empire Magazine consistently. Burns me up...Grrrrrr.

( (Bethan)...when she saw him in a beard she could have wept (she complained she couldn't see his mouth!). And I thought DB's Charles Gould was so handsome. I can't say I liked Wessex's mustache, though - that really did obscure Colin's lovely, expressive mouth. I'm sure Flashy's facial hair will be quite flattering, as he is a world-class ladies' man. BTW, that quote was taken from Lisbeth's site, Elena, in the quotes and comments section. Another favourite Darcy look... When Darcy is at the bottom of the stairs at Rosings after Lizzie's rejection, right after her voiceover ends. He looks sooo hurt.

handsome actors can't act Or rather "handsome actors don't have to act" - i.e. they don't need good scripts: their presence alone guarantees success. Colin's struggle is against becoming a piece of Hollywood furniture. Or wallpaper.

Evelyn... re:the appeal of Kevin Costner....BLECHHH!!!! I did like him as an actor in "Bull Durham", BEFORE he (in HIS opinion), became GODS GIFT to all womankind...You could not PAY ME to see him in a film now....He has the acting ability of a potato chip, one layer only!!! (IMO). It is sooooo pathetic that after the films "Waterworld" and "Postman", he still can get the studios to cough up the big bucks....It becomes all about "Hollywoo Glitz", not true ability, as in the case of Colin....well, continue to seee a film like "MLSF" (5 times!!), or anything with Colin, vs. the "Hollywood Hunks" like Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, etc. Well, I'll be "mature" and patiently wait for the REST of the world (other than the intelligent ladies here on Drool), for film goers to realize Colin's ability and give him an Academy Award for.....anything!!! Isn't it frustrating to have such "sophisticated" tastes in our favorite actor??!!!! The rest of the world needs to catch up!!! (stepping off my soapbox, now....thanks for listening!!!) such as

I would like Mel Gibson cast in something different from Lethal Weapons...Man without a Face was quite good, at least I thought so when I saw it years ago.

Moon, LOL! Very funny of your Top 10 Reasons Why CF is such a Hunk. I especially like the number one which is the only reason for the rest, don't you think? Another favourite Darcy look: when he walked into the sitting room in Longbourn before the second proposal, he looked into Elizabeth's eye, his eyes were so dark, deep and very intense. It was like he wanted to see her very soul. It always makes me weak every time I focused on that pair of extreme fine eyes!!!

3) He smiles too much. ;-) 2) He sings, he dances, he plays guitar... 1) He is a man without fault! LOL Moon!! This is too funny...and too true for contradiction! Number 2 sounds very much like the description of an accomplished gentleman, don't you think? You have made my day with this!

(Xian), Another favourite Darcy look: when he walked into the sitting room in Longbourn before the second proposal, he looked into Elizabeth's eye, his eyes were so dark, deep and very intense. It was like he wanted to see her very soul. It always makes me weak every time I focused on that pair of extreme fine eyes!!! After many viewings, I have to agree, this is my #1 Darcy look, it takes my breath away! #2 is the smile at Pemberley while E plays the pianoforte. Xian and Lidya, glad you enjoyed the Top 10! We always have fun doing them. :-)

(Moon) We always have fun doing them. :-) Don't be so modest, dear. Moon is very good at these. She should be writing for Letterman. :-o

(Xian)... he looked into Elizabeth's eye, his eyes were so dark, deep and very intense. It was like he wanted to see her very soul Yeah...but it wasn't her soul he wanted:-D

Thanks Moon for the Top Ten list -it was brillant! :) All my favorite Darcy moments have been mentioned i think (The Look, the billards room, etc...) but has anybody mentioned his first visit to Longbourn after having rescued Lidya? That stare he gives Elizabeth, when he just eats her up with his eyes, gives me the shivers every time i see it! *shutting ecstatically in rememberance*

LOL, that should be shuttering :)

Ooooooooohhhhhh! I get shivers just thinking about him and I have a picture of CF (dressed as Darcy)hanging on my wall at work and he gives me the LOOK all day! HELP!!!

(Evelyn) Brad Pitts LOL! Freudian slip? You must be referring to his starring role in Meet Joe Black. The screenwriter and editor of that first-class stink bomb should have been arrested for torture. Bleecch. Bravo, Moon. 3) He smiles too much. ;-) *sigh* And he has such a lovely smile now. 2) He sings, he dances, he plays guitar... Now there's something I'd love to see! What's that song Flashy sings? 1) He is a man without fault! Only in our adoring eyes...

(Moon)1) He is a man without fault! (Eileen)Only in our adoring eyes... Or, to quote Livia, who should know: "Not always!" ;-)

That would be from one "latina" to another! ;-D

(Moon)1) He is a man without fault! (Eileen)Only in our adoring eyes... Or, to quote Livia, who should know: "Not always!" ;-) Hey! I've done that Top 10 as well! ;-) Karen, if I worked for Letterman...ODB would have been on by now.(thanks for the compliment)

He is a man without fault! ...to quote Livia...: "Not always!" ;-) Is she complaining, then? Does she need help?

Love your Top 10, Moon. SBR, the look you mention as one of your favorite, first visit to Longbourn after having rescued Lidya? That stare he gives Elizabeth, when he just eats her up with his eyes - do you mean the second visit or do you mean the sidelong look he gives her during the first visit while Mrs. Bennet is prattling on to Bingley? Here are the favorite moments from the second tape (also known as tapes 3 & 4)which start with Lizzy finding out Charlotte is engaged to Mr. Collins and ends with the Gardiners and Lizzy driving away from Pemberley after the surprise meeting with Darcy. What could we possibly have missed? 1) Meeting Elizabeth at Rosings woods on horseback. 2) Smile at Pemberley while E plays the pianoforte 3) At the piano at Rosings "You're perfectly right". 4) The look on his face when he goes to visit her at Hunsford and is trying to be so casual and yet so shy...."you wouldn't want to always live near your family.." 5) He walks around, sits down, gets up, walks around again, taking deep breaths all the time and then proposes to her at Huntsford cottage. 6) The look on his face after he was rejected from his first proposal... that look of utter disappointment! 7) The looks of misery on his face as he leaves Hunsford after the rejection. 8) The way he stalks back to Rosings after she refuses him, we can just see his back but you can tell he is mad, frustrated and hurt just by watching him. 9) When Darcy is at the bottom of the stairs at Rosings after Lizzie's rejection, right after her voiceover ends. He looks sooo hurt. 10)The look on his face when he is writing to Lizzie telling her about Wickham and Georgianna. 11)When he embraces Georgiana and presses her against him. 12)Darcy leaning his head back in the chair while writing the letter at Rosings. 13)"I will conquer this" 14)Galloping to Pemberley. (well, cantering anyway) 15)Undressing before the swim! 16)The looks of misery on his face right before he takes the pond plunge. 17)His long-strided return to Pemberly from his little dip. 18)The embarrassment when he comes face-to-face with his beloved moments after the swim. 19)Running into her at Pemberley "And your parents are in good health?..and all your sisters?" 20)The sight of him in knee-high boots and tight breeches at Pemberley. 21)When he takes her hand as she leaves Pemberley with the Gardiners...(and the cameras zoom in on the hands....is that erotic, or what?

Perhaps she needs a break from all of the lust-inducing presence of ODB. I did not think that would be necessary, but she has not been hardened through endless viewings of P&P2 and rewindings and slo-mo play. It takes vigour to submit to that, and we are ready to leap into the ...dare I say it...Breech(es)

And, Moon is hunkering down in a bunker watching the Hurricane blow over as she remains with us on her computer with a very long cord. Hang in there, Dear! Your list is a classic!

(Heidi)SBR, the look you mention as one of your favorite, "first visit to Longbourn after having rescued Lidya? That stare he gives Elizabeth, when he just eats her up with his eyes" - do you mean the second visit or do you mean the sidelong look he gives her during the first visit while Mrs. Bennet is prattling on to Bingley? Oh dear, your right, it's the second visit. The one where he walks through the door and ignoring everyone else in the room, bows and just stares at her. *sigh* btw- thanks for composing these lists! :)

And Moon... Be safe dear! you're in my thoughts and prayers-

(Evelyn) Yeah...but it wasn't her soul he wanted:-D It comes with a package, of course ;-D Heide, Thanks for the loooooooong list. Actually, all Darcy's scenses should be included on the list. Unless some one want to take some of them off the list, if any body dare? (Arami) Is she complaining, then? Does she need help? Or does she want to get out (can we hope)? Just kidding, we sure don't want ODB suffering.

I haven't seen "P&P" in a while (I'm going to have to dig up a copy, aren't I? If I weren't a starving college student, I'd just buy my own,) so what I'm going to say comes out of memory. I have a picture of Colin as Darcy hanging above my bed, and I don't know if it's an actual scene from the movie or if it's a publicity shot, but he has the most vulnerable, "please be gentle" look on his face that just tears my heart to pieces. Anyone know what one I'm talking about? If that's a scene from the movie that has to be my favorite. And to the lady who said she doesn't like him with facial hair--me too! I find most men pretty attractive with a goatee or something, but not Colin. His face is just so lovely that I hate for any part of it to be obscured. I wish I had his complexion! And yes, I am a "newbie," as you call them. Karen invited me over here!

(Amy) I wish I had his complexion! Yeh. He's still breaking out at thirty-nine! Nice oily skin that will age slowly. I should know ... I have the same stuff ... and I'm still breaking out in my mid 50's!! Hee hee!!

Welcome, Amy!

So nice to have you here, Amy!

Aloha Amy!

Bonjour, everyone!

As if our tapes aren't enough, US (and Canada?) viewers get to see P&P on A&E Sunday, 11/28. Showtime begins 2:00 pm Eastern Time. Six hours all in one day.

Thanks, Heide. It is a very good news. Hope it can gain ODB's popularity Just cross a post on RoP, it was a part of debate of which P&P is better, P&P1 or P&P2. I think it is very interesting (a little annoyed by it too). It was a vote for P&P1 of course: The other Darcy (I'm so sorry I don't know the actors' names) was not so very convincing as an upper crust aristocrat--much too impulsive and "emotional"...physically on the "robust, peasant" side, if you will, sort of carrying his heart on his sleeve. ODB, a robust peasant? I am all astonishment!! She did not even know CF's name, poor, poor girl. I pity her.

Wot? Someone prefers David Rintoul to ODB? Sacrilege!

Good God! We really must take up a collection to buy the poor girl a pair of glasses. Obviously she's having serious visual difficulties. ;)

not so very convincing as an upper crust aristocrat--much too impulsive and "emotional"...physically on the "robust, peasant" side, if you will, sort of carrying his heart on his sleeve. I'm shocked--shocked, grieved! Is there nothing we can get this blind fool for present relief? Tapes of Circle of Friends, Shakespeare in Love, Valmont? She is very ill! And of course Darcy is not an aristocrat--he is a commoner as Lady Catherine points out to Elizabeth. However, if our misguided friend really wants to see him as a robust peasant, let's get a tape of FP to her. Will she be able to discern the difference?

US (and Canada?) viewers get to see P&P on A&E Sunday, 11/28. Showtime begins 2:00 pm Eastern Time. Six hours all in one day. Thanks for the heads-up, Heide. Seems like it's becoming an A&E tradition to show P&P2 on the Sunday following Thanksgiving. An unfortunate tradition from my standpoint, since like last year I'll have a houseful of out-of-town guests who are sadly immune to the charms of P&P2:-( Just curious: Does anyone prefer viewing P&P2 in one of these marathons, vs. A&E running an episode or two on consecutive nights? I myself prefer one episode each night, so I can savor every morsel;-)

I agree with you, Susan. I was traveling last year and missed the P&P2 marathon (probably would have been at a football game anyway) but I can't watch the tapes all at once any more. By the time episode 5 rolls around, I have no patience for Mrs. Bennet's "rumblings and flutterings." I enjoy it more in smaller doses.

Oops, that should read "all at once." Sometimes my fingers confused get.

Marathons are fun and, since we've all seen P&P so many times, you can get up and do things during the unnecessary parts (i.e., all involving Mary Bennet singing, George Wickham, and Mr. Collins, except when he's dancing).

I vote for P&P marathons too. Plan my meals for viewing ...won't answer phone, doorbell etc. TRy it sometime. Real experience...gets you into the whole era. Apparently A&E got an excellent response last year.

I like the marathon too. I feel so satisfied when it's done. I wish they'd show it on Thanksgiving. Make the men watch what I want to for a change.

The P&P1 and P&P2 discussion is getting more interesting. Here is from the same girl: Perhaps I will try to cultivate a greater liking for P&P2--if I can get past Darcy swimming in the pond and taking a bath scene. My, my, my! Don't we drool over those two scenes most? ;-))

if I can get past Darcy swimming in the pond and taking a bath scene. This is a purist. She hasn't got the hang of missing scenes yet. Perhaps a little more time on RoP or maybe someone should tip her off to the fanfic. Once she understands that the book is just a bit of a jumpstart for one's own creative juices, beginning with Andrew Davies's, she'll probably dive right in the pond with the rest of us. Maybe she doesn't feel at ease with us yet. After all, none of us performs to strangers--at first. BTW I know why the valet had to hold the robe up when ODB got out of the tub. To the average nonFirthette viewer, it's meant to look as though he were naked as he would naturally be in the bath, but since this was a movie set of course he wasn't really au natural, and they had to hide his Arsenal boxer shorts.

but since this was a movie set of course he wasn't really au natural, and they had to hide his Arsenal boxer shorts. LOL!!! But I thought it would be some thing much smaller than a boxer;-))

LOL here as well!

if I can get past Darcy swimming in the pond and taking a bath scene. I can understand this view. I have trouble getting past those scenes as well. I keep pausing the tape, backing up and replaying those over and over. Tough to get past them. ;-D

(Karen)I keep pausing the tape, backing up and replaying those over and over. Tough to get past them. LOL!!! A good technic (we all own it) to have her "cultivated a greater liking for P&P2" ;-]

Yes, ladies, the old rewind button is hard to get your thumb off. Viz, I watched my brand new copy of Dutch Girls today (yes, ebay knows me well, and I am a buyin' fool right at the moment), and boy oh boy it was hard to get past that slow dancing scene. Sorry, sorry, I got right off Mr. Darcy for a moment there, but actually Mr. D's indescribable voice runs all through DG.

I think I will tape my favorite moments on Nov. 28th. That way I don't have to forward those horrid Wickham moments. What were they thinking when they cast him? I know that Crispin went for that part first, and I have to say that I would have liked him better than I do Adrian Lukis, though I think he is cut as Bingley, in a 'golden retriever' kind of way. I cannot think of anyone preferring AL to Darcy. He was the only casting mistake imo.

(Lidya) He was the only casting mistake imo. Would you elaborate? Where was he lacking? How would you have preferred him to be? I'm curious b/c I hadn't thought about the casting, only that Wickham's character is so unlikable. Why would you have preferred CBC? Bingley is the only part I've seen the latter in, so it's hard to imagine him as anything but a sort of cheerful puppy, although I must say I think his publicity still in the MoP&P makes him look very good and also a bit more mature. I'm wondering if the 19th-century cad isn't a bit difficult to do believably now days since it's almost impossible to put a girl into that situation now--in the US at any rate. I wonder if we bring a different set of expectations about how a rat will behave than Jane Austin did and that makes it hard to find Wickham believable. I remember that I didn't like the blond guy who plays him in the BBC version very much either. Anyhow, it's an interesting point, and btw I noticed that Wickham is also on the Dutch Girls hockey team in a virtually nonspeaking role I believe.

Xian, it's obvious that poor female (aha! Perhaps it's a jealous male) has an aversion to wet Darcy. *tsk-tsk* What a pity. (Cymbeline) they had to hide his Arsenal boxer shorts LOL! Reminds me of a story Heide started way-back-when in Fanfic--Lizzy meets all of Colin's characters. Check it out, it's a hoot. (Karen) I keep pausing the tape, backing up and replaying those over and over. Tough to get past them. ;-D Too true! I'm waiting for my tapes to break...

(Lidya)I know that Crispin went for that part first, and I have to say that I would have liked him better than I do Adrian Lukis, though I think he is cute as Bingley, in a 'golden retriever' kind of way. I cannot think of anyone preferring AL to Darcy. He was the only casting mistake imo. I think AL was odd casting as well, not neccessarily because I find fault with his acting, but because i dont find him attractive at all. Something about his eyes makes my skin crawl- i dont see how Lizzy (or anyone else) ever found him handsome. Another odd casting decision (IMHO) was Lydia. Why did they pick the AbFab girl, who has got to be 10 yrs older than the character she was playing? She looks particularly old when she's near Maria Lucas, who she's supposed to be the same age as. (Karen)I keep pausing the tape, backing up and replaying those over and over. Tough to get past them. LOL! I think my tapes are getting thin in certain spots as well. -good thing i have a back up copy. :) (Eileen)Reminds me of a story Heide started way-back-when in Fanfic--Lizzy meets all of Colin's characters. Check it out, it's a hoot. Heide, what is the name of this story? Is it archived? I remember it vagely, but would love to read it again. :)

I'm guilty of finding AL rather attractive as Wickham. Remember that british actors are not set in the american model!:-)

And of course Darcy is not an aristocrat--he is a commoner as Lady Catherine points out to Elizabeth. This is somewhat more complicated, I'm afraid: the British aristocracy has several grades, and one of them (possibly the lowest in hierarchy) is the group without titles. The lack of a title alone doesn't make Darcy a commoner sensu stricto. If you really REALLY want me to elaborate on the subject (hopefully not ;-)), I'll try to find my relevant sources... or better still, why don't you enquire at RoP, they have excellent resources on the subject.

(Gi) I'm guilty of finding AL rather attractive as Wickham. I guess I'm somewhere in the middle. I found AL's acting convincing enough - he really talked to Lizzy about serious topics (of course he was lying, but she didn't know that). I think that willingness to talk seriously about personal subjects was a rare trait in gentlemen of that day. Heck it's a rare trait today and is still a very appealing one! But I must admit that AL's looks did nothing for me. There is something very odd about the way the white soldier's uniform pants fit him. Particularly in he scenes when he's walking with Lizzy in the garden he appears to have a horrid pot belly. Sorry Gi ;-)!

I think Adrian Lukis is a great actor and very good as Wickham, it�s among the best performances in the whole series. What happened to me was a bit like what happened to Lizzy in P&P, Wickham looked nice enough at first and totally disgusting in the end. AL made this happen with pretty subtle ways, just with his strange eyes, changing face expressions, voice, body movements and posture. Look at him in the first scenes where he pretends to be a nice guy and then the last ones. He really makes Wickham look ridiculously deceitful and uncertain in the scene where Lizzy says mockingly, "we�re brother and sister you know".

What a lovely conversation you have going here, ladies. (Lidya) I cannot think of anyone preferring AL to Darcy. (SB) Something about his eyes makes my skin crawl- i dont see how Lizzy (or anyone else) ever found him handsome. (Cymbeline) I'm wondering if the 19th-century cad isn't a bit difficult to do believably now days... (Gi) I'm guilty of finding AL rather attractive as Wickham. (Elena) What happened to me was a bit like what happened to Lizzy in P&P, Wickham looked nice enough at first and totally disgusting in the end. Perhaps they could have found a better looking Wickham but AL sure can do a sleazy and oily character to perfection. How many of you ladies who hadn't read or had forgotten the book were taken in by him at first? I always found it interesting that there were only three or four good looking men in the whole production. Compared to Mr. Collins and the townfolk we see represented at the dances, I'd probably have run straight to Wickham too. (Jana) There is something very odd about the way the white soldier's uniform pants fit him. Particularly in he scenes when he's walking with Lizzy in the garden he appears to have a horrid pot belly. Jana, you really should stop checking out those tight breeches so closely. I wonder if you've even found some rather awkward protrusions disturbing the smoothness of Mr. Collins' knickers. SB, my little tale was never completed and I didn't want it archived. It was a joke for Evelyn at 34 when we were discussing the propriety of including other CF characters for Fan Fic. Off topic too - (Cymbeline) btw I noticed that Wickham is also on the Dutch Girls hockey team in a virtually nonspeaking role I believe. But he does have some choice lines - "What girl's going to look at us in this get-up, you daft prat?" (I confess I just watched DG myself the other night.)

(Cymbeline)Would you elaborate? Where was he lacking? How would you have preferred him to be? I'm curious b/c I hadn't thought about the casting, only that Wickham's character is so unlikable. I just think he was not believable in the role. Wickham is supposed to be so charming and handsome that when he tells Lizzy about Darcy, she is thinking of how handsome he looks as he talks. He is so amiable that his manners are taken as proof of his good character, and I was not convinced. I had not read the book when I saw the series (to my perennial embarrassment) and I doubted him from the first and could not believe that anyone would fall blindly for him. I wanted Mr. Darcy from the moment I saw him, you see. Why would you have preferred CBC? I would have liked Wickham to be more like Bingley at the beginning, and I can see how CBC would have made him look angelic, which is how Wickham is described once ("angel of light"). I think it only fitting that the blackguard of the story should incite my distrust! I like CBC's acting. I saw him in Masterpiece Theatre's "Wuthering Heights" and he was very believable in his character (he was not Heathcliff). it's almost impossible to put a girl into that situation now--in the US at any rate Well, if you consider that Lydia is only 16 years old when she runs away, and that Wickham must be around 28, Darcy's age, it is something that can warrant reproof. (SB)She looks particularly old when she's near Maria Lucas, who she's supposed to be the same age as. But Lydia is supposed to be 'stout' and well-developed for her age. I thought Julia Sawalha was hilarious. (Gi)Remember that british actors are not set in the american model!:-) I have seen AL in other films, (he was the murderer in a Miss Marple story) and I have no problem with his looks.

(Heide)Compared to Mr. Collins and the townfolk we see represented at the dances, I'd probably have run straight to Wickham too. Yes, they really seem to have done some work to find all the ugliest little actors in Britain to fill the ballrooms with! Only to make the difference between Darcy & Bingley and the rest of mankind more obvious, of course. Another thing about Wickham�s looks, I don�t think that�s a very important point actually. We must remember that Elizabeth�s situation is actually pretty desperate even though she doesn�t want to let it affect her. She needs to find a man to support her and when she meets a guy with a job who seems to be sensible, nice and good-mannered enough she naturally gets very interested. I think AL was a good choice for Wickham because he�s not very handsome. Making the mistake of liking a man like this mak s Lizzy�s situation apparent and also makes her look very human; she needs to find someone, but not at any cost.

(Elena) the ugliest little actors in Britain Is that a subchapter of the Screen Actor's guild? I can't stop laughing. Good thing I'm home alone. (Heide)I confess I just watched DG myself the other night. I love DG--and I think he wore the same pajamas he wore in AC. I just love him as a teenage schoolboy although I have to say I wanted to smack Neal when he was at the DG's house and wouldn't make a pass. To return to the ULAB, I assumed a number of them were dancers--like the old bald guy who is in the next couple during Mr. B.'s Maggot. In my neck of the woods (which is btw the Wessex estate), we have a lot of 18th c. dance groups who perform at festivals, and I imagined they would use them in movies as they used US Civil War re-enactors in the movie Gettysburg. They're chosen for skill, not looks. Does anyone know anything about this?

Yes, Cymbeline, if I remember my Making of..correctly, the dancers were froma professional group. Still, have they no good looking dancers in England? I'm sure they were still picked for their looks (or lack of) rather than their skill. (how does one draw a mischievous impish look?) Oh and back to DG for a moment (sorry girls), your pajama comparison looks right, Cymbeline, but I'm sure you noticed how his top is opened in AC but shut tight to the neck in DG. Is this boy repressed or what? (If anyone ever wants to bring this to 98, I'll join you there.)

.... dance groups who perform at festivals, and I imagined they would use them in movies as they used US Civil War re-enactors in the movie Gettysburg. They're chosen for skill, not looks. Does anyone know anything about this? As a matter of fact I do! I was talking a year or so ago with somebody involved with a dance agency. Apparently P&P was very popular amongst dancers. There are very few oppportunities for dancers of a "certain age" and P&P was a godsend. They had about 2 weeks work for which they were paid, by dancing standards, a handsome amount but because of the success of P&P, they ended up earning well betweem 5 and 10 times the original contract. They are all still waiting for another opportunity like that. So they were not a dance troupe. They were just jobbing dancers, recruited for the film.

(Lydia)I think I will tape my favorite moments on Nov. 28th. That way I don't have to forward ... Very good idea, Lydia! I think that I will do it too, just to save my fingers (they got too busy some times between the remote and the ice cream spoon ;]). I agree with those who do not find AL's Wickham convincing. However I do think that his performance were pretty good based on our JA's creation of P&P. Just he does not look like JA's description of Mr. Wickham, not charming at all IMO. I was disappointed when I first laid my eye on him. He had this shifty-eyed look from very beginning which made me feel uncomfortable. But think again, how could any one compete with ODB's Darcy? Thus I have mercy upon AL's look. (Gi)Remember that british actors are not set in the american model! Sorry, I'm NOT an american but just can't find AL attracted ;-( (Jana)There is something very odd about the way the white soldier's uniform pants fit him This reminder me of ODB's breaches. Don't get me wrong about what I am thinking of though;-). Do you notice the fitting of it was terrible in several scenes? It was creased right in front of it, even in the wedding scene (compare to Bingley's)! The worst one was when he walked on the dark London street searching for Lydia, it looked like he was wearing another pair underneath it.

(Elena)What happened to me was a bit like what happened to Lizzy in P&P, Wickham looked nice enough at first and totally disgusting in the end. (Heide)Compared to Mr. Collins and the townfolk we see represented at the dances, I'd probably have run straight to Wickham too. (Lidya) I doubted him from the first and could not believe that anyone would fall blindly for him. I wanted Mr. Darcy from the moment I saw him, you see. Well, I intensely disliked Mr. Darcy at first. Handsome, yes, but too disdainful to tempt me ;-) Compared to him, Wickham was pleasant, open, friendly, yet it seemed there was more to him than to the other officers of Lydia's circle. He was not as good looking as Darcy, sure, but as Heide says, he looked much better than everybody else, so between Darcy's insufferable conceit and Mr. Collins' snobbery and the townsfolk provincianism, Wickham became indeed very attractive, IMHO. (Heide)Still, have they no good looking dancers in England? I'm sure they were still picked for their looks (or lack of) rather than their skill. Makeup can make people look ugly too! ;-) (Xian)Sorry, I'm NOT an american but just can't find AL attracted ;-( Neither am I, but isn't the American cannon of beauty the one we in the west live by? Where do we go for beauty? To Hollywood ;-)

(Gi) Where do we go for beauty? To Hollywood Right--the home town of Natasha Richardson, Rupert Everett, Kate Winslett, Rufus Sewell, Emma Thompson, Joseph Fiennes, Gwyneth Paltrow, Juliet Binoche, and ODB himself. Time for another American revolution here. Ask yourselves how AL stacks up against them and what role his looks play in the film--in what way should he look different from Darcy, from Mr. Collins, and from Bingley to convey most effectively the part he plays. And btw I thought Denny was pretty cute. Maybe he should have been chosen to play Wickham?? He looked more boyish. Maybe if he'd been Wickham, he'd have been more Valmont-like, the veneer of charm might have covered the slime more effectively and therefore more believably.

Now now...are we talking about Adrian Lukas or are we talking about Wickham? I didn't think Wickham was too bad and I thought AL as himself in the Making of...looked rather cute. JA describes Wickham as "he had all the best part of beauty, a fine countenance, a good figure, and very pleasing address." Perhaps we're just disappointed that AL doesn't fit those rather lofty standards but he does well enough. And btw I thought Denny was pretty cute Not bad but oily too. He just oozes smarminess when he introduces Wickham to the sisters in Meryton..."outswagger us all, eh Wickham?" (Xian) But think again, how could any one compete with ODB's Darcy? Thus I have mercy upon AL's look. So true. We must forgive him the unfavorable comparison since no one else can compare either. '-) (Gi) Makeup can make people look ugly too! ;-) That's true. Even David Bamber doesn't come across too ill in his publicity still. ;-)

but isn't the American cannon of beauty the one we in the west live by? Where do we go for beauty? To Hollywood ;-) Not all of us, surely? To Hollywood Right--the home town of Natasha Richardson, Rupert Everett, Kate Winslett, Rufus Sewell, Emma Thompson, Joseph Fiennes, Gwyneth Paltrow, Juliet Binoche, and ODB himself. LOL! ODB has called Hollywood various things, but home was not one of them... (Sorry, American friends...) JA describes Wickham as "he had all the best part of beauty, a fine countenance, a good figure, and very pleasing address." Perhaps we're just disappointed that AL doesn't fit those rather lofty standards but he does well enough. Two points here. One: the standards of "beauty" or handsomeness have always been changing throughout the ages. AL's looks in P&P coincide well with a lot of Georgian/Regency portraits. Two: different people at different times and places have different expectations of how fictional characters should ideally look like. The hard trick for the filmmakers to pull is to convince as many viewers as possible that what they see is what they wanted/expected to see.

And isn't Jane the beautiful one? I didn't think she looked better than Lizzie? Still, by Regency's standards, she actually was and the actess was very well cast.

(Cymbeline)Right--the home town of Natasha Richardson, Rupert Everett, Kate Winslett, Rufus Sewell, Emma Thompson, Joseph Fiennes, Gwyneth Paltrow, Juliet Binoche, and ODB himself. Aye, but who was it who showed them to us? And don't forget Harrison Ford, Brad Pitt, Mel Gibson, ecc. I never meant they were born there, only that it was Hollywood who recruited them and soldd them to us as Beautiful. Emma Thompson beautiful? Kate Winslett? Gwyneth Paltrow? Ok, Ok, tastes differ, but I agree they too are soldd as beautiful

IMNSHO, Hollywood has never bought or indeed sold ODB - except down the river, perhaps... (sorry, again, American friends, but there it is...;-))

(For the international droolies who are less familiar with the English idioms, I should explain, so that there's no misunderstanding: "sell down the river" means "let down".)

(Cymbeline) Right--the home town of Natasha Richardson, Rupert Everett, Kate Winslett, Rufus Sewell, Emma Thompson, Joseph Fiennes, Gwyneth Paltrow, Juliet Binoche, and ODB himself. The irony in your statement has not gone unnoticed. And I think you're right in including GP - she's not Hollywood either. Now Rupert....;-)

(Heide) Jana, you really should stop checking out those tight breeches so closely. I wonder if you've even found some rather awkward protrusions disturbing the smoothness of Mr. Collins' knickers. Oh dear, my embarrassing secret is unmasked ;-).

Just what I did not want to know...bulges in Mr Collins' breeches? Yak!!!

(Marcia) Just what I did not want to know...bulges in Mr Collins' breeches? Yak!!! We have a comprehensive listing of Darcy's and Bingley's. Why has no one volunteered to do the same for Wickham or Collins, if in fact there are any bulges to detect in the latter? ;-D

Now where's Mary Bennet when you need her? I think this job would be right up her alley.

Ah, but would Charlotte approve? ;-)

(Gi) Ah, but would Charlotte approve? I'm sure Charlotte would be heartily relieved. Suppose Mr.C. had just gone on to Mary after his fiasco with Eliz. A much more suitable match on both sides, but probably no trip to Rosings.

No trip to Rosings for Elizabeth I meant.

(Cymbeline)No trip to Rosings for Elizabeth I meant She could still visit her sister there, I suppose. But probably had to go along with the other two silly girls and Darcy might never proposed because the daily refreshing his memory of her family :-(

(Marcia) bulges in Mr Collins' breeches? Yak!!! Suffice to say that was one place not many of us were looking! How are your yaks, BTW? (Cymbeline) Suppose Mr.C. had just gone on to Mary after his fiasco with Eliz I remember Mary preening for him in a scene but can't place which one it was. It wasn't the one where Mrs. Bennet tells him Jane is off limits and he sizes up the other sisters before settling on Lizzy (Mary's reading a book in that one). Hmmm. Was it when he asks Lizzy for the first two dances at the upcoming Netherfield ball? Does anyone know the one I mean? Mary's got a look on her face as if to say "pick me! Pick me!" and she's disappointed when he doesn't.

still Yak - y.... >

Was it when he asks Lizzy for the first two dances at the upcoming Netherfield ball? Yep, that was the one. Too bad he didn't take the hint. They would have been much happier.

US and Canadian viewers can see the best version of Pride & Prejudice ever made today on A&E starting 2:00 pm Eastern Time. Is there any doubt it's the best? Even without that smoldering presence of CF as Mr. Darcy it would still be my favorite version. Would dear Jane roll over if she saw it today? No way - it's as vibrant and lively as everything she hoped to convey in words. I can't help myself, I'll be watching it today. See ya later.

Is there any doubt it's the best? Even without that smoldering presence of CF as Mr. Darcy it would still be my favorite version. Hear! Hear!

"Go to it" all you P&P2 watchers, six hours of total bliss. Our new classic starts tonite "Wives and Daughters" and I see that one of the male suitors(?) is played by Ian Glenn. Isn't he Jane Bennet's husband. S. Harker's in real life?

(Lizza) Ian Glenn. Isn't he Jane Bennet's husband. S. Harker's in real life? Yes, he is. They have a son named Finn. Someone said that she was pregnant during P&P, but I have not read it anywhere else. It didn't look like she was.

She was. Just as well it wasn't so obvious in the film.

She was. Just as well it wasn't so obvious in the film The empire waist certainly helped!

For Sewellites lurking here (in the absence of a better place to go or more interesting things to do :-)): Has it been mentioned here before that about a year before P&P hit the TV screens in the UK, Rufus Sewell had apparently played Darcy on stage - I believe in Manchester?

(Arami) Has it been mentioned here before that about a year before P&P hit the TV screens in the UK, Rufus Sewell had apparently played Darcy on stage - I believe in Manchester? That's interesting - I hadn't heard it before. I can't really picture RS playing the subtle shades of Mr. Darcy, but then again ever since P&P2 I can't imagine anyone but CF as Darcy!

but then again ever since P&P2 I can't imagine anyone but CF as Darcy! Go over to Rambles. Moon and I had a time defending that premise over the weekend.

(Evelyn) Go over to Rambles. What does that mean please?

(Evelyn) Go over to Rambles. (Cymbeline)What does that mean please? That's a board that belongs to pemberley.com. It's a virtual community for all projects pertaining to Jane Austen. Rambles is like #72...a catch-all for what doesn't belong anywhere else.Virtual Views is a board that comments on current films.We all started out on the P&P board.Go over some time...it's a neat place. http://www.pemberley.com/bin/ramble/ramble.cgi

...or on other Spring conferences it is a place to talk about the conference but not about things worthy of a topic or necessarily topic-worthy. Blow-off-steam places, actually...as: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/porch/7

Did anyone else watch the US Learning Channel's "Great Books" program on P&P yesterday? I bring it up only to complain. ;-) (What else is new.) if they really wanted the words of Jane Austen to come alive, why couldn't they have shown clips from better actors to prove her wit? Elizabeth Garvie as Elizabeth can not wipe that grin off her face even when she's crying and I always knew David Rintoul had a stick up his rear but I hadn't realized 'til last night how that stick goes all the way up to his chin. Those lips barely move. If they really wanted to do JA justice, they should have used both of P&P2's proposal scenes. P&P1 was simply reciting lines. Yes, of course I realize that the program could not use P&P2 for licensing reasons. Sigh.. Was good to see Helen Fielding though. Too bad when she said what influenced her most to base Bridget Jones on P&P was the line "It is a truth universally..." rather than CF.

And they showed clips from the Garson-Olivier P&P! Definitely has to be a case of not getting permission from A&E, as all those other Austen productions (Clueless, S&S, etc.) were shown. BBC wouldn't have been the holdout, as P&P1 was their production and, if you watched the next show (Madame Bovary), the old BBC version was shown as well. I liked Helen Fielding's comments too (although we've heard so many of them before). Probably didn't want to appear too shallow by mentioning CF. ;-)

Actually I always thought the Fay Weldon script for the 1979 BBC version of "Pride and Prejudice" was superior to that for the 1995 adaptation by Andrew Davies. Whenever you read a book you get your own novel more or less in your head, and Weldon's version is much closer to how I see the book.

Weldon's version is much closer to how I see the book. In many scenes, yes. Which is why I had no quibble with them showing Wedlon's version in the Pemberley encounter which is closer to the book than Davies'. But Cheryl, the recitation of Jane's animated dialog just sounds deadly dull coming from those two leads, especially Rintoul. IMO, does not do Austen justice at all. Faye Weldon was a hoot though. I've always liked her and love that plummy voice. Besides Nora Ephron, who was the other American opining?

Besides Nora Ephron, who was the other American opining? Some college professor.An Austen authority?The whole program was d...u...l...l, IMO. Helen Fielding was refreshing .Worse than Rintoul, was the TLC Darcy ...with the little short legs and fat thighs..leaning against the columns of Pemberley(?). Looked more like Connecticut to me.

And there was the other white-haired lady, who was identified (I think) as a "collector." She had the license plates "Janeite" and all the books and made reference to the fact that Austen is all over the web. (Evleyn) with the little short legs and fat thighs..leaning against the columns of Pemberley(?). hee hee. I noticed the columns too. Kept thinking they needed to shot elsewhere or at least pose him differently.

. .I preferred Weldon's script for the dialog, I think, and missed some of it in P&P2, but she had no sense of visuals and motion like Davies had. Her script appealed to the ear, his to the eye. Her script played more like a modified stage play. And I think her additions and alterations to the plot were more jarring and than his -- they seemed much less utilitarian to the flow of the story. ...And I don't care what you say about Greer Garson, she could deliver some of those lines with the proper slyness and humor, as she deflated the pomposities around her with eclat. (It wasn't P&P, I know, but once you stopped expecting it to be, it was very enjoyable on its own terms. So there!!). :-D

(KJ) it was very enjoyable on its own terms. So there!!). :-D It was. I used to like it. Just as I *used* to think that Olivier was a great Darcy. Have since changed my mind. (bet that surprised you, especially that last revelation!)

(Evelyn) Worse than Rintoul, was the TLC Darcy ...with the little short legs and fat thighs. Snort...and all those staring out the window scenes. Humph, think I know what they were influenced by. I didn't find the program dull but maybe that's because I was all in anticipation waiting and hoping for a glimpse of our DB. Heck, I would have been satisfied just seeing a copy of the book with JE and CF on the cover. Surely the Janeite had that in her collection. (KJ) ...And I don't care what you say about Greer Garson, she could deliver some of those lines with the proper slyness and humor, as she deflated the pomposities around her with eclat. Yes, yes and yes. Neither Garvie nor Garson were terrible Lizzys. But both of them could not stop smiling throughout as if that is the only way Lizzy could show her "slyness". JE smiled, yes, but used so much more expression. I grant that Garvie was hamstrung by the static presentation but it is the one-note acting I objected to. Sorry, I know I'm preaching to the choir but I do love spouting off on this subject. ;-)

I agree with everyone's view. I only wish that Davis had included that dinner scene at the Bennets with the coffee and the cards. (As in the book)

That and the prompt about-face by Mrs. Bennett in her opinion of Darcy at the end.

(Heide)..the recitation of Jane's animated dialog just sounds deadly dull coming from those two leads, especially Rintoul. IMO, does not do Austen justice at all. Although Jane Austen didn't write for actors to perform her work, her dialogue is very much actor-proof. No matter who does it, the words are glorious. Good acting is, however, a plus. (KJArt) I preferred Weldon's script for the dialog, I think...but she had no sense of visuals and motion like Davies had...Her script played more like a modified stage play. That really wasn't Weldon's fault. It had more to do with the BBC style at the time; they used videotape. In the 1979 "Pride and Prejudice" the only scenes in which film was used were some of the outdoor scenes. 1970's era videotape was notorious for making everything look worse than in real life. So no one even bothered with cinematic effects for lighting. Cinematography was pretty much unknown, things were just lit, badly. Everything the BBC did from that time looked overexposed. However, I do prefer the overall production design of the 1979 P&P to the 1995 P&P, the costumes and sets were more appropriate in the earlier version. Just about everything in the 1995 was just a little too grand; i.e., Eliza and Jane Bennett should not have worn dresses comparable to those of Miss Bingley.

(CherylB)Just about everything in the 1995 was just a little too grand; i.e., Eliza and Jane Bennett should not have worn dresses comparable to those of Miss Bingley. Were they? I thought the Bennetts' dresses were mostly cotton prints or muslins, while the Bingleys' were heavy silk.

Not all the Bingley dresses were silk, the ball gowns were. Still cotton was considered fashionable for daywear; very fashionable young women would dampen their cotton dresses so that they would cling. Some of these belles in fact caught their "death of cold" from this practice. A few unlucky beauties developed pneumonia. The cotton dresses of the Bennett sisters were much like those a young lady of Miss Bingley's worn for morning or afternoon wear. The dresses for the Bennetts should have been more like the costumes for the Dashwood sisters in the film adaptation of "Sense and Sensability".

And to think this all started with me complaining about the acting. ;-) Anyway, I have nothing to quibble about regarding Mr. Darcy's wardrobe. I just love those breeches and when worn with the boots....oops, passed out again.

I saw the documentary The Making of Pride and Prejudice and they explained how they had tried to show the differences in wardrobe, in the houses and even in the carriages and horses. I thought it interesting and wish they could have gone into more detail. But then again, I suppose this may have been discussed at length in RoP.

Gi, I believe you are correct about the use of different fabrics and I think one of the background tapes (From Page to Screen) touched upon it. The Bingleys wore richer fabrics and more brightly colored fabrics as the use of dye was always more costly, while the Bennets wore cheaper cotton muslins, usually lightly patterned. From the Making of book (pp. 33-4): "We made an exception with the Bingley sisters, we felt we could point out differences in wealth and class by contrasting their wardrobes with the pretty simplicity of the Bennet girls'. The Bingley sisters wear the equivalent of Gucci. "I used a lot of silks from India, quite a lot of lace and much brighter and stronger colors - pinks and lime-green, for example. Evening head-dresses were more elaborate and reflected the medieval influence fashionable during this period. Apart from wanting to look like Grecian columns, women aimed to look exotic, so they used rich colours and lots of wonderful feathers. We really wanted something that would stop the conversation in the village assembly rooms when they walked in."

Being far from an expert on Austen's life and times, and without seeing/reading any 'Making of' material, I can say the differences in dress between the Bennet and Bingley sisters was quite apparent to me in P&P2. We really wanted something that would stop the conversation in the village assembly rooms when they walked in." That headgear really did the job!

(Eileen) That headgear really did the job! ECC alert Don't you think it was overkill? Caroline's face alone has stopped Mack trucks. ;-)

(KarenR)ECC alert Don't you think it was overkill? Caroline's face alone has stopped Mack trucks. ;-) I confess I have a hard time convincing myself that they are the height of genteel fashion ;-)The Empress Josephine herself wore much (apparently) simpler clothes...

When I visited Chawton in '98, they had some original dresses from the JA era and they were exactly like the simple cotton/muslin dresses that the Bennett sisters wore in P&P2.

(Gi)I confess I have a hard time convincing myself that they are the height of genteel fashion;-)The Empress Josephine herself wore much (apparently) simpler clothes... No. They weren't. And yes. She did. The Bingley costumes were intended as a visual joke, to indicate that although there was money, and perhaps even breeding, it could not bestow taste and refinement. It just seemed to me that it was unecessary, Austen's wit and the acting were enough to suffice. The Bennett sisters clothes were comparable to Miss Bingley's in point of their workmanship and detail. Cotton was worn by ladies of fashion, the type of material one dressed in was determined by the time of day. A lady of Miss Bingley's class would have worn a dress similar to one of Jane Bennett's for morning or afternoon wear. The costume design for the film version of "Sense and Sensibility" and the 1995 BBC "Persuasion" were better than those for the 1995 "P&P". The Bennett's costumes should have been more like those for Anne Elliot or the Dashwood sisters. But it doesn't matter if you dress actors in aluminum foil if they can act.

But it doesn't matter if you dress actors in aluminum foil if they can act. Ah, back to the "material" point.

Hello, chickies! Yes, I'm still alive (but barely awake) and have been thinking of all of you for some time now. Thought I'd do a little pop-in to see how if the drool still flows in rich, glistening waves ;-)~~~ Then Yapp choked my computer with all the new messages since I'd last been here and I thought, "Aaah, it's good to be home!" ;-p So...what's new? How are things? Everybody happy? ;-) Believe it or not, I'll graduate on May 11th. Amazing, yes? Those two years, which seemed like an eternity at the beginning, flew passed my head--WHOOOSH!--like the Concord. I'm feeling rather ambivalent about the whole thing. It will be nice to earn money again I suppose, but I don't feel ready yet. I could use another year, if you can believe that (though I don't think my wonderfully patient friends could take it ;-p)...Renate and Arami and Evelyn have each periodically checked in with me, passed on news and have been good enough to ignore my absorption with school. Excellent creatures! I will not forget it ;-) But I digress� The reason I chose to visit this board is that I'm in high Darcy-drool mode. Indeed, I am in earnest! Feels good since I've had no time in all these months to appreciate the very great pleasure a pair of fine breeches on the loins of a pretty man can bestow ;-p A couple of weeks ago, stressed about my thesis, frazzled over my CGI final, and terribly sleep-deprived, I decided to take a night off. My roommate (who is a better sport than I realized) said, "Let's watch Pride & Prejudice" since he'd never seen it and wanted to understand why he is forced to look at pictures of Colin all over the house. I warned him about it being a sort of dignified "chick flick", but he was game and I certainly wasn't about to turn down the opportunity. We watched the first tape and ladies, let me tell you, it was a bee-yew-tee-ful thing! It just never gets old for me. It doesn't matter that I can recite the whole thing and know every nuance of the performances. Each time I watch it I fall hopelessly in lust all over again (bless Colin's little cotton socks) ;-p Though my roommate liked it, I couldn't talk him into doing a marathon. So, when we have an extra hour in between classes and homework, we sit down for another episode. I've never had the willpower to watch it this way, and you know what? It's kinda nice...gives me something to look forward to. Unfortunately we only have one tape left *sigh* What will I do then? If I do the usual obsessive watch-it-five-times-in-a-row thing, he'll goof on me for the next two months. As it is, he's been picking on me for being incapable of watching an episode without making some kind of comment about the breeches or the voice or the...INCROYABLE ;-p Of course, for me watching P&P is a completely different experience than it is for him. I can't look at the dangling watch and fob without thinking of Arami's hysterical...erm...short story. I can't see the dripping, clingy wet shirt without remembering Megan's hilarious attempts to keep people from stealing it. And of course, every horse I see has a name! It's too funny. Half the time I'm laughing and it has nothing to do with the film. I�ve missed it and I realize that I need a little diversion into the depths of depravity to regain my sense of humor. And so, here I am, looking for the comradeship of kindred spirits. My roomie, though a decent fellow I suppose, isn�t exactly enthusiastic about my devotion to Darcy. Men just don't get it :-/ See you soon, chickies ;-)

Nan!!! How splendid to see you. Does he play hockey? Oh well, he did watch P&P2 with you - *sigh* Mine hasn't in 18 years worth of fighting over it. I'm with you. I think I am over it until I get just the merest whiff of the man and I am as good as gone all over again. INCROYABLE is only one part of the man and it without him would just be another...um....yeah! Need the works! Hugs and wonderful things to you. Soo good to see you here again. You were the first to greet me when I first peered in to Drool all wet behind the ears. I try to be as kind to newbies as you were to me - always!

I have made myself a video of just the Colin parts of P&P2 so I don't have to "waste" time fast forwarding when all I want to look at is Mr Darcy.

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Hello, Nan, and congratulations! We have missed you and are ready to welcome you back with open arms. . My roomie, though a decent fellow I suppose, isn�t exactly enthusiastic about my devotion to Darcy. Men just don't get it :-/ Just like at my house. Believe me it gets worse.

Nan, oh Nan!! Welcome back and great to hear you're graduating. Always good to hear someone so eloquently admiring Colin's finer points.

What a fine surprise! I was wondering what had suddenly revived this board and look who I found here! :-) Always glad to see you around here, Nan, and have a great graduation! I think I can safely promise we'll be thinking of you on May 11th. We haven't drooled much lately, have we? Been very serious. Count on you to change that ;-)

Nan, we've never met on the boards here. I know you from your older posts, but I joined while you were in the midst of your education. Your reputation does proceed you, and I mean that in a good way. So -- hello Nan.

Aaaah, here you are, Nan, oh, Nan! Practising before jumping back in - what a splendid drooler she is! I'm in high Darcy-drool mode. We need you back here to revive these boards! What an absolutely wonderful splurge of fresh drool... My roommate Careful! People may think you have (or use?) only one room... ;-P Btw, in the UK, where an apartment is called a flat, he would be called a flatmate... ??? I can't look at the dangling watch and fob without thinking of Arami's hysterical...erm...short story. Should I be thinking about reworking it into a... erm... long story, perhaps? ;-) looking for the comradeship of kindred spirits We are here, ready and waiting!

What a lovely welcome! You know, I even forgot the joy of logging in and seeing a topic active. I have been away too long� (Marcia) Does he play hockey? The roommate? No, no hockey. However, he does have that rather annoying I-used-to-be-a-jock way about him. The more exposed I am to testosterone, the more I like fictitious men�hence Darcy ;-p You were the first to greet me when I first peered in to Drool all wet behind the ears. I try to be as kind to newbies as you were to me - always! Aww, that�s sweet, honey! Glad to see the years haven�t dampened your enthusiasm. (Cathey) I have made myself a video of just the Colin parts of P&P2 so I don't have to "waste" time fast forwarding when all I want to look at is Mr Darcy. A girl with a Colin power tape--now that�s what I like to hear! I think I need one of those�preferrably all daggy shots of breeches and big chocolate eyes ;-) (Gi) What a fine surprise! I was wondering what had suddenly revived this board and look who I found here! :-) Well, you can always count on me to surface when I feel a Colin attack coming on ;-p Good to see you, m�dear�been too long� We haven't drooled much lately, have we? Been very serious. Count on you to change that ;-) Serious? This group? Nyah�I refuse to believe it. It�s not only impossible, it�s sacrilege and against all the fundamental beliefs upon which this great, wet place was founded ;-p (Cheryl) Your reputation does proceed you, and I mean that in a good way. So -- hello Nan. Hello, to you too Cheryl ;-) Good to know I didn�t leave any really offensive posts behind me (I think I removed all of those ;-p) (Arami) Practising before jumping back in� LOL, you know me too well. I was just sort of dipping my toes in the water before really going to town ;-p We need you back here to revive these boards! What an absolutely wonderful splurge of fresh drool... Well, here I am ready to let loose my fantasies and make an ass of myself. Who wants to play? ;-p Careful! People may think you have (or use?) only one room... ;-P Goodness, no! We don�t want to give anyone that impression. Btw, in the UK, where an apartment is called a flat, he would be called a flatmate... ??? You know, I�ve been trying to come up with a better word for it myself. I suppose �flatmate� is the most appropriate word, but few people in my sphere would understand what it meant. Also, you need to have a cool British accent to get away with saying a word like that. If you say �flatmate� with a New York accent, it just sounds like affectation ;-p (Arami) Should I be thinking about reworking it into a... erm... long story, perhaps? ;-) I would by no means suspend any pleasure of yours�or mine for that matter. Lay it on me, babe! ;-p Thanks everyone for the graduation wishes. I still have a killer week of final projects coming up and, of course, the dreaded thesis�but I�ll keep checking in as time allows. XOXO

(Nan) Good to know I didn�t leave any really offensive posts behind me (I think I removed all of those ;-p) We've created a special topic for those... Marcia keeps them on her hard drive next to Esbee's stories on:

*lol* It is so good to remember what it was about Drool which made it so special. Gads, yes! Escape from Testosterone poisoning and related ills. But, some of them are still very dear and I have them in my pocket where they are safe and sound. As soon as I wipe the tears from my eyes I shall polish up the glasses, get out my poweer tape of Darcy, blast the tape I made to go with it and hang the cost! Yippee! Nan and Drool are back!

Woo, before you think I have the very dear men in my pocket (have not drooled actively in some time, and it shows)...it is the files....Yes!

Ah, I see some first-rate drool in the horizon. Can always count on Nan to prime the pump. Only one tape left? Ooh, I still get chills when I hear Mrs. Bennet's He has come. He has come at last. So what if she meant Bingley. We know who has really come. And now Nan has really come at last. Mahvelous to see you here again, my dear. :-)

(Marcia)You were the first to greet me when I first peered in to Drool all wet behind the ears. I try to be as kind to newbies as you were to me - always! Me too...ole buddie.You held my hand for...almost six months! Welcome Back! Let's hear some Serious Drooling now!Wait til you see SLOW!He's gorgeous...

(Evelyn)Wait til you see SLOW!He's gorgeous... Isn't he though? I fell for him all over again... ;-)

(Karen)We've created a special topic for those... Marcia keeps them on her hard drive next to Esbee's stories on: Karen, you have to tell me what's the deal with the foot fetish? ;-P (Heide) Only one tape left? Ooh, I still get chills when I hear Mrs. Bennet's He has come. He has come at last. So what if she meant Bingley. We know who has really come. LOL, I know. Poor Bingley is just filler for me. How are you, honey? Long time no see... BTW, we haven't watched the last tape yet (no time with finals and all). But, one day when he was out of the house, I did watch numbers 4 and 5 again (yeah, yeah...I know, I'm hopeless). Oh that walk through the grounds at Pemberley, it is too much for me in my present lascivious condition.. To be able to enjoy the aching lovliness of our freshly dressed DB bolting out the door and running down the steps in search of Elizabeth. Then, the walk up the steps, with the marvelous boots and super hero thighs�SA-LUURP!. Just knock me down and pinch me in the mornin�! ;-p (Evelyn) Let's hear some Serious Drooling now!Wait til you see SLOW!He's gorgeous... Hey you! There you are! I thought, for a moment, that you'd taken a drool break. I'm glad you're still here. When school is over, I'll call...I swear on my Aunt Tillie's eyeballs ;-) And, no I haven't seen SLOW yet. I haven't seen anything more recent than SIL. It sad to be so out of the loop. But think of how much I have to look forward to ;-)

Oh good grief....the stroll around Pemberley....the *wiping my chin* "Miss Bennet??!!" at Bingley's ...so many and only one lifetime to do it in....*SIGH*

It's like the good old times here at Spring... I feel at home again.

Hello I'm new here. I'm an Art and English major ( graduating in June). I came to the States 4 years ago - I'm actually Malaysian. I've just finished watching P&P 2 for the 4th time. It doesn't help that I can borrow the tapes over and over again from the college library for free. I can't convince any of my friends to watch P&P with me. And I'm heartily ashamed of the way I'm behaving. What is happening to me? Why have my senses left me? I am too old to have these sorts of crushes aren't I? Squealing and clapping my hands to myself alone in my room everytime I come across a favourite part ( any sequence with Mr Darcy in it heh heh). Getting misty eyed and smiling to myself at crowded dining halls. What would my bf of 6 years think of me if he knew? Gosh this is so embarressing. Yet the feelings are not alltogether unpleasant and I hate to think that a year from now....this would have been just a phase in my life and that I won't be as coo-coo or hilariously happy as I am now. Anyway here are a few things I have to get off my chest: I just love it when Darcy wears completely black pants . I don't believe that anyone has mentioned this. He has them on when he is giving EB the "look". And I love the part at the Netherfield ball when he's dancing with EB -- precisely at the moment where he says "this is no striking resemblance of your character I am sure" *siiigh* He looks so sardonic and the movement of his head.. the slight rolling of the eyeballs. It always cracks me up and I start having this really crazy loopy grin on my face ( I scared myself looking into the mirror!) Ok... i'm off to lurk at the Republic of Pemberley website now. Bye for now, carol

Sounds quite normal to me Carol ;-) I have been at Drool quite a while now but don't usually find time to say much; trust me though, you will be made feel very welcome. Enjoy!!!

Welcome to Drool Caroline! We hope you stay with us. As Cathey says, we all know what you were talking about ;-)

Welcome Carol! Only four times??? Believe me after a while the 6 year old will know who Mr. Darcy is. ;-)

You know, this topic is Darcy drool, so does that mean we can also drool over Mark Darcy here as well, when the movie finally opens???? Just a thought;)

Congratulations and good luck, Nan.

WELCOME CAROLINE How about that cute half-smile when he says to EB..."On foot"? That's a sure "melter' for me... Stick around Caroline...we love to talk about ODB (Our Dear Boy) in any of his films.

(LauraMM)You know, this topic is Darcy drool, so does that mean we can also drool over Mark Darcy here as well, when the movie finally opens???? Just a thought;) Happy thought indeed... :-)

Welcome Caroline! You sound like you'll definitely fit in here...perfectly normal behaviour... I hate to think.....this would have been just a phase in my life and that I won't be as coo-coo or hilariously happy as I am now Don't you believe it hon' you'll still be a-grinning and a-drolling like the rest of us for years to come!

That should read drooling, of course! Sorry too much moisture on the keyboard ;-D~~~

I rather like the way her peruses her up and down then lets her pass and takes in the sight of her backside straight in front of him... (Tell me about moisture... =)...

So tell us, Carol: ...how old is too old? ;-D

*grin* (was wondering the same thing...)

Welcome Carol. You've come to the right place. Art and English major, mmm, congratulations on your upcoming graduation. I was trained as an artist, and ended up in advertising. Go figure.

Carol!!! And I'm heartily ashamed of the way I'm behaving. You're behaving perfectly normal. No one is too old to appreciate a fine performance by an incredibly fine actor and want to watch it over and over again. And, since your friends won't watch it with you, no one will even raise an eyebrow when you slip such phrases as "shelves in the closet" or "pair of fine eyes" into your conversation. ;-) Stick around and unburden yourself. I too am a fan of the toss-off line during the Pemberley ball scene with the eyeroll. It's right behind the "on foot" look.

THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!

You're behaving perfectly normal. No one is too old to appreciate a fine performance by an incredibly fine actor Blessed Karen, the guardian of our sanity. Yeah!

In fact, if a person doesn't act in the manner you've described, Carol, I'd take their pulse, check for signs of stroke or whip out the CPR instructions, and start dialing the paramedics. ;-) So, you like the dark pants, huh? They lack certain, er, textural qualities, but they'll do in a pinch. I'm rather partial myself to the outfit he dons at Pemberley after his dip. Those fawn trousers... they lack for nothing. And btw, meant to say Netherfield ball before.... Oh where are my thoughts??

Welcome back Nan!!! You've been very much missed! I have a confession to make....I've been dying to drool again, but all I seem to talk about these days is the direness of the British Film Industry or the idiocy of BBC scheduling...(s-o-o terribly boring!)...not the Man Himself! But that little sideways grin in DQ, the way he leaps out of the bus, arms swinging, the scene in SLOW when he tells Nimi he's frightened because he needs her....mmmmm, he's still got it! And of course there's no-one to beat Mr Darcy, Wot! (Look forward to hearing Mark Darcy say "what?". "Don't what me Mark Darcy"). Hello Carol!

Unburden yourself here, Caroline. The only people who get funny looks from us are those who can't understand the reasoning for all our tremblings and flutterings. Poor sods, I feel sorry for anybody whose pulse doesn't quicken from watching Darcy watching Elizabeth from the window after his bath. THat perfectly tapered waist, those artfully arranged damp curls, that moist lip, those soulful eyes...;-) We could go on and on like this and never question each other's sanity.

Caroline, as they say: been there, done that, have the T-shirt to prove it. Each time we falter and dry up a little, another Firthian with fresh Drool staggers into our conference and we are all renewed by her eagerness, her way with words, and her ability to bring on fresh flooding for the ones of us who have been at this for years! Aloha and Welcome!

Thank you all - I do feel so welcomed! If I don't post for the next 4 days it would be because my bf is arriving tonite from Boston for a visit. He is too curious about my internet haunts and I don't want him to read my messages! ha ha ha oh the nerve of me! -- I couldn't think of a password so I'm actually using my bf's name as a password to get into a forum for Colin Firth's besotted women. I would also have to delete my huge desktop wallpaper of Darcy sitting-astride-a-black-horse. karenR - hahahah I don't blush easily but lordy! "Textural qualities"??!! He does look so fine in those black pants and jacket. What a beautiful man. Hate to wax lyrical but I am reminded of Hamlet's words. What a piece of work is a man ... well in this case it should be "What a piece of work is this man! How noble in reason! How infinite in faculties! in form and moving, how espress and admirable! in action, how like an angel! in apprehension, how like a god!..." And I AM beginning to use phrases from P&P! How did you you know? Fortunately, my friends have always heard me with a slight British accent (Malaysia was a British colony) so I might just get away with saying "Wot" -- oh I love the way he looks the moment before he says "wot" to Caroline Bingley ( URGH... are there no good decent Carolines in literature? Byron's wife was a Caroline and she was reputed to have bad manners, unhygenic and ulgy to boot) I think I shall be inspired by all you ladies. I think I'm having it bad right now because I'm watched this version of P&P only 1 week ago. And I've watched it only 5 times ( counting today). Thank you once again for making me feel so welcome. It's wonderful to be understood!

Now you must visit Drool 113 and get yourself a keepsake!

Caroline: are there no good decent Carolines in literature? Byron's wife was a Caroline ... Worse still, I'm afraid Lady Caroline Lamb was only Byron's mistress ("mad, bad and dangerous to know". You could find a more sympathetic Caroline in Charlotte Bronte's Shirley, or in the film A Thousand Acres, in which I believe there is another attraction also (the girls will say more)... Welcome, Caroline

Caroline, uppity Cook girl who started all the trouble? No, I don't think so. ;-)

Whoops, sorry! Clearly I haven't seen the film, but I keep seeing Caroline being described as the Cordelia character.

True, she's the dutiful daughter but she's not portrayed in a very favorable light. Could it be that Goneril and Regan co-produced the film? A shot in the dark.

Caroline, Y�ur waxing lyrical brings it all back. Let me add another poetic line which Darcy brings to mind:: "O brave new world that hath such people in it!"

Mym my me reading this again set me off. I have recently watched SLOW and lo and behold I am besotted again! Then you talking about the dance, the meeting in the gardens, the bath and I shall never be cured, 1995 and still counting!!

Oh my, oh my, oh my..... it's so lovely to see some new activity for our dear boy, Darcy. I haven't drooled over the boy for awhile and you all are reminding me what I've been missing. Nan, so good to see you back and thanks for priming the Drool pump :-). Welcome, Caroline. It's great to see a new face here. (Karen) I'm rather partial myself to the outfit he dons at Pemberley after his dip. Those fawn trousers... they lack for nothing. Oh, absolutely. While I do like the long black trousers favored by Caroline, there is something special about those fawn breeches as he's walking up the steps with Lizzy. They display the form to perfection, don't you know :-).

there is something special about those fawn breeches as he's walking up the steps with Lizzy. Maybe it has something to do with those oh-so-sexy riding boots he wears with them. Do you ever wonder what possessed him to take the extra seconds to drag those boots back on again when he was in such a hurry to catch Lizzy? Could it be he knew what kind of killer impression he made in those breeches and boots? ;-) (No, I didn't expect him to go barefoot either.)

Carol, I think Byron's wife was named Annabella. She was Anne Isabella Milbanke, a cousin of William Melbourne, who was Lady Caroline Lamb's husband. You mentioned there not being very many sympathetic Carolines in literature. One I can think of is in a children's book titled "Caddie Woodlawn" by Carol Ryrie Brink. She is the title character, Caroline Agusta Woodlawn, known as Caddie. From what I remember, Caddie is a very spirited and spunky tom-boy growing up in Wisconsin in the 19th century. She was someone who would rather gallop her horse across a frozen lake than do something like knitting. She is a headstrong girl who befriends the local Native Americans. The character was based on the author's grandmother.

Thanks for clearing things up Cheryl and Mark. I kinda knew I made a mistake right after submitting the post. It would be fun to check out the books you mentioned. I have to return the 6 tapes of P&P tomorrow and I've made a promise to myself that I won't borrow the series until I've finished my term papers. I would have to visit this board frequently to for "sustenance" heh heh...

Hey drooly chickies! I�m baaaack� It�s over. I�m done. Time to get a job :-/ But first�some slurpin'... We were so crazy with final projects and graduation that we didn�t get to the final tape until just a couple of days ago. We had very different reactions that night. I was sprawled on the sofa, head propped on a throw cushion with a big grin on my face the whole time. The roommate was sprawled on the other sofa, with both amusement and derision all over his face. I think that last episode was a little too sappy for him. He�s lived here long enough to know what happens when he makes fun of P&P, so he wisely kept his mouth shut. But as soon as he saw the final kiss and the music swelled, he popped off the sofa like his butt was on fire. Other than that insulting action, he liked it rather well. For someone like him, that�s pretty amazing. However, he has taken to walking throughout the house saying, "BING-ley", a la Mrs. Bennet. Wiseass. So, even though it wasn�t a total success, I refused to concentrate on that as my mind was more agreeably engaged ;-) It�s been a long time since I watched that tape and I�d forgotten how high it is on the droolability scale. I love the stifled anger of Lydia�s wedding: ...and thought of Arami when I saw it, as I know it is one of her favorite moments. Such sullen beauty! Such revulsion! Whoa baby! I was (yet again) reminded of how expressive his eyes can be. Just looky here, now... ...in the "I must have it" scene. Those big chocolate orbs are just brimming over with remorse. Yoo-hoo, Coooolin�I forgive you... ;-p Awww, look how happy he is now that he�s made amends. Isn�t he just darling? Don�t you just want to squish his face? Go to it... And, of course, the scene that even I couldn�t help giggling over� At this point the roommate said, "Well, could they slap you over the head with it a little more?" My response was, "I should be so lucky" He's not the only one who can be a wiseass. ;-} There were, of course, many other moments during which I made happy noises (much to the disgust of the roomie): The first visit to Longbourne, where Mrs. Bennet makes a total ass of herself. I always squirm during that scene. I�m not sure if it�s thinking of poor mortified Lizzy or...other things ;-p Probably both. And the second visit, where he looks freshly bathed (woo-hoo!) and squeaky clean with those wide, velvety sideburns (which no one could carry off half so well). The frightened expression he wears while he says, "You are too generous to trifle with me..." Poor, desperate fellow! Come here and let mommy make it better ;-p Of course I had Snappies of all these scenes, but they were lost in the great Nan computer crash of 1998 (sigh). 300 Snappies gone. I still haven�t recuperated from the tragedy of it all :-/ So, ladies...I�ve started the ball rolling. Who wants to play with me? ;-D Nan (still luststruck after all these years) Also, sorry if these photos take a little time to load. I can�t seem to get my Spring password to work so they are uploading from another server...

Welcome back, Nan. A woman after my own heart!

Nan, the best part of Mrs. B. at Longbourne was his slow and all-encompassing study of Lizzie's fine form. That was the most over he ever was in his animal appreciation of her - like a candid moment caught on film. I usually watch this part with the sound OFF. Um...couldn't you manage to print a Huger image of him with it ALL there?! I need to be slapped over the head with it again...badly!

That's the ticker and dangler picture for sure =)....

Hi Nan...good to have your ole lusty self back... Yeah...the tickler and dangler is always a charger. Really should be Drool's logo:-)

Swat! Swat! Grrrrr..... Welcome back, Nan. Congrats on being school-free. Time to unleash all that pent-up drool. (Mr Acia) Um...couldn't you manage to print a Huger image of him with it ALL there?! I need to be slapped over the head with it again...badly! Nice to see you back at drool too, Marcia dear!

That's the ticker and dangler picture for sure Wow, your roomie noticed it too! ;-) It is great to have you back, Nan. I hope you will be working on getting more snappies. Have you seen the last smile in MLSF? My favorite Darcy visit to Longbourn is his last when he is decided to ask her and he enter the room with that passionate look. That split second takes my breath away.

Oh yes! It takes her breath away, as well. Her knees buckle ever so slightly, and ours a great deal. I think if I were ever gazed upon so intensely by someone I loved, I would incinerate in a blaze of glory!

(Moon)My favorite Darcy visit to Longbourn is his last when he is decided to ask her and he enter the room with that passionate look (Marcia)Oh yes! It takes her breath away, as well. Her knees buckle ever so slightly Her lower lip quivers...A very erotic moment...hey, they want to tear each other's clothes off...!

But they didn't! Which may well make it all the more erotic.

No, they didn't, but how many Droolians did?! Not asking for a show of hands or whatever, of course - this is private stuff *giggle*

Yup, I agree entirely, clad is much more erotic than letting it all hang out no matter how much we wish we could see it...

(Evelyn) Her lower lip quivers (Marcia) Not asking for a show of hands or whatever, of course - this is private stuff *giggle* Uh-oh, here we go again with the lowers and uppers :-))))

I think, to be physilogically correct, it should be stated that women have six lips. Two upper and four lower. (I've done medical illustration, trust me on this.) Anyway, whatever you can imagine is sexier, at least to you personally, than what can be put on the screen, be it tv or movie screen. Imagination is very sexy.

Hey, what's this? Am I late for the party? A huge welcome back to our returning lost sheep... erm... I mean, lost Deer! Hooray! Things will soon be back to normal... erm... abnormal... um... enormous... well... yes! thought of Arami when I saw it, as I know it is one of her favorite moments. Such sullen beauty! Such revulsion! Bless you! You remembered well. Don�t you just want to squish his face? His face and all the rest of him... At this point the roommate said, "Well, could they slap you over the head with it a little more? LOL! The guy was evidently jealous! those wide, velvety sideburns (which no one could carry off half so well) That's because they were his very own, lovingly grown and beautifully tended on his lovely, shapely, manly jowls! Come here and let mommy make it better ;-p Aha! Now we know why he married an Italian ragazza ;-P! still luststruck after all these years You're still not alone... I can�t seem to get my Spring password to work Have you heard about the great Spring migration to another server? that's the ticker and dangler picture for sure There are at least two more. What a talent! they want to tear each other's clothes off...! Imagination is very sexy. Seriously, in plain historical terms, their passion would be much more subtle. Really romantic. Not raw and animal. (Well... maybe later... ;-))

*sighing blissfully* Now I remember what it was which kept me in Drool all those years before I ventured out of the Silken tower to see what else was around... Thank you ladies - I have not breathed this deeply in a very long time and I missed it! *wiping the keyboard and monitor*

Just a thought, but isn't that what old topic 34 and now one-hundred-something was for? Various forms of disrobing and the inevitable result thereof?!

There's a subtle difference: we don't do fan fiction here, Marcia. This is fan reality. ;-)

*whew* I thought I was the only one! It is nice to be amongst those who understand...

(Arami)... in plain historical terms, their passion would be much more subtle. Really romantic. Not raw and animal Think so?I dunno...don't think Andrew Davies is so caught up on the historical aspect of lovemaking...I sorta' think he'd go for the 'raw and animal'....:-)

Has mankind really changed? Our external display has become more subdued due to society's demands, but I think the most primordeal of them all has remained just that - but within the confines of the bedroom.

(Evelyn) Yeah...the tickler and dangler is always a charger. Really should be Drool's logo:-) Oooh...an excellent idea. That gave me a vision, honey. Unfortunately, I don�t think I could draw that without being even more tasteless than I normally am ;-p (Eileen) Welcome back, Nan. Congrats on being school-free. Time to unleash all that pent-up drool. Thank you, m�dear. Good to be back. And you�re right...I�m positively brimming over with naughty thoughts� (Marcia) Um...couldn't you manage to print a Huger image of him with it ALL there?! I need to be slapped over the head with it again...badly! Okay then. I know Marcia is with me ;-) I would have loved to slap ya with a big one, babe...but not only did I lose my old photo collection, but I can�t seem to get my Snappy to work at all now. I�m most seriously displeased! (Moon) Wow, your roomie noticed it too! ;-) Well, it�s pretty hard to miss--no pun intended. ;-p Have you seen the last smile in MLSF? I haven�t seen any Colin films more recent than SIL. Isn�t that sad? And isn�t that great? I�m looking forward to a lazy Saturday with a bunch of movie rentals, a bag of Cheetos and a 4 pack of Guinness ;-p That split second takes my breath away. Oh, I know just what you mean. As I mentioned, not only is he looking squeaky clean (always a plus for me), but he�s looking especially dark and luscious. As a general rule, I prefer a man with lighter coloring (I think it�s a residual effect from the Kevin Costner days). But when I see Colin, all done up in that costume which suits him so well, and his big, dusky eyes fringed with black lashes...to quote Marcia, I get the �squinges� ;-)~~~ (Donna) Uh-oh, here we go again with the lowers and uppers :-)))) Damn! That sounds like a juicy conversation. Drat that school! What did I miss? (Cheryl) I think, to be physilogically correct, it should be stated that women have six lips. Two upper and four lower. (I've done medical illustration, trust me on this.) Okay. Got it. You can scratch that last question. ;-) (Arami) Hey, what's this? Am I late for the party? Hi honey. Never too late. Jump on in... normal... erm... abnormal... um... enormous... well... yes! LOL! I particularly like the �enormous�...as you knew I would ;-D (Nan) At this point the roommate said, "Well, could they slap you over the head with it a little more? (Arami) LOL! The guy was evidently jealous! Indeed! And I'm not ashamed to say that I took great pleasure in seeing him feel inadequate ;-p Aha! Now we know why he married an Italian ragazza ;-P! Yes, yes...we are a very maternal brood ;-) (Nan) I can�t seem to get my Spring password to work (Arami) Have you heard about the great Spring migration to another server? I vaguely remember seeing that somewhere. I suppose that could be the problem. I�ll check into it. that's the ticker and dangler picture for sure There are at least two more. What a talent! LOL! You are killing me here ;-D (Arami) their passion would be much more subtle. Really romantic. Not raw and animal. (Evelyn) Andrew Davies...I sorta' think he'd go for the 'raw and animal'....:-) Historically, I don't know. But in this adaptation I think it's both. P&P is really successful in subtly expressing sexual desire. There are scenes, innocuous in and of themselves, where you can't help but feel the underlying sexual tension. All that staring and verbal fencing always seems like foreplay to me and is therefore, far more erotic than blatant scenes would be. Look how much time we've all spent analyzing every Darcy nuance. Both Colin and Jennifer are so good at it, too...bless them. On the other hand, there are times when subtlety is overrated and some primal, noise-makin' is all a gal needs ;-p And I get the feeling it wouldn't take much for Darcy and Lizzy (of this adaptation, anyway) to go to it with a right good will ;-) Come to think of it...they did. I'm jealous :-/

Here you go, ladies, knock yourselves out... ;-)

What a nice vision to wake up too. Thanks, Karen! (Nan)), I haven�t seen any Colin films more recent than SIL. You have three, Nan. MLSF, DQ and SLOW. The last two you will have to get from one of us.

Bless you Karen! Of course you know I swiped that photo in a hot second ;-)

Thank you, m�dear. Good to be back. And you�re right...I�m positively brimming over with naughty thoughts� Does everyone here know that Nan is now 'The Big Kahuna' of upscale Virtual Views on Pemberley? We're proud of you..ole buddie...but don't forget your ole 'trailer park droolies'.

(MarciaH)Yup, I agree entirely, clad is much more erotic than letting it all hang out no matter how much we wish we could see it... In this case, I doubt it would hang out... Probably stand up, or out, whatever, no? ;-)

Gi! I don't believe I'm reading this ;-P... I mean... you're beating me at my own game here... ;-D

I bow to you, Arami :-) but my mind also works like this... sometimes... :-P

*Whew* Knock me down and bail out the living room, I am about to be overwhelmed by my own Drool.......and it feels so Good Thank you, Karen, m'dear!

Woah woah... I MISSED THAT -- Her lower lip quivers when he enters Longbourne at the last part??? Now I would have to borrow the tape again. And Karen and Nan.... Thanks for the pictures. I am going to be the minority here and say that I don't like those fawn colored pants/pantaloon..whatever. Ladies! He looks absolutely positively beautiful oh-be-still mybeatinghart gorgeous in black pants. Now if only I could get a picture.

Auuuuuuuugh!! Why are my eyes only riveted to a particular spot in that picture??

Do not miss the forest for the trees, Caroline... however tall!

(Gi) Do not miss the forest for the trees, Caroline... however tall! *snicker* Caroline, those are not the fawn pants. He tosses those on after the pond dunk in order to run after Lizzie. Let's see if I have a pic of those around...

Karen, please translate "snicker" for me :-)

Whew! i disappear for a few weeks and this topic positively explodes with drool. Well, i'm ready to jump right in. I, ah, dont suppose anybody has a snappie of Colin's feet handy? ;-) Nan, well back! :-) and Gi, *hee hee* you're being so nauty! I love it!! pray continue -while i dig out my water wings.

I see you're a foot woman, then? :-) Personally I don't really relish the sight of bare human feet. Not even Colin's. I wonder whether there's a deeper significance in this... I was rather disappointed that they managed to persuade him to pose for photographs sans socks (except the photo on the beach which made some sense), but I suppose it's to do with trends in modern images for publicity. And, btw, does anyone know what is the female equivalent of a breast man? (Gi might - she's our medically qualified expert here... ;-)) (Not really a Darcy subject, I grant you, but where can a girl air kinky ideas these days? ;-))

does anyone know what is the female equivalent of a breast man? I don't believe it requires a medical degree; however, the equivalent for females is an emphasis a tight tush.

Thank you, nurse :-) - so what is a female equivalent of the bottom man? (You see? It's like a vicious circle, really...)

a chest woman

Oh, I give up. Ran out of suitable body parts. Time for someone else to provide entertainment!

This conversation is getting on my tit(s). This is a Colin quote.;-))) (excuse my firthiology)

Sheesh! I get busy in Geo for a moment and the discussion deteriorates do deliciously that no one missed a beat. Hmmm, checking the anatomy at hand in in the other room, I guess it is a female with a chest hair fixation. It is about the only thing the normal male has going or not going for him in that area. I'll go check the resident hairy-chest-beater and let you know if I discover anything further...*grin* What I won't do for the sake of Drool...*sigh*

Maybe in your clime, Marcia, chest hair is on more prominent display. If it shows around here in unsuitable situations (i.e., not at beach or similar), then I'd probably react with a "yuck"--button it up, you sleaze bag! ;-)

There are always those individuals who are furry to the max (such as a personal favorite of mine) and I think there is no way that he can help but share a little peek with the rest of the world. Yeah, here what you got mostly hangs out or dangles or whatever without much thought. Not me, of course. I am the original inhibited lady...but I am NOT blind ;)

Marcia inhibited - nevah.

(Marcia) Yeah, here what you got mostly hangs out or dangles or whatever without much thought. Where I live, what hangs out or dangles is usually somebody's potbelly hanging over the waistline, with the crack in the back peeking out :-)

Same here, on the other side of the pond. I guess we call it civilization.

...or as civilized as it gets these days of loose clothing, loose lips and looser morals. Geez, sounds like I just got out my soapbox !!!

Whoa! I go off to solve a little thesis problem and whap! The drool is flying all over the place in here ;-p Excellent! (Caroline) Auuuuuuuugh!! Why are my eyes only riveted to a particular spot in that picture?? Wicked, naughty woman! I am in complete sympathy...I can�t seem to take my eyes off it either. (Arami) Personally I don't really relish the sight of bare human feet. Not even Colin's. I wonder whether there's a deeper significance in this... LOL! No surprisingly, I don�t get the foot thing either ;-) I�m very anti-feet. Don�t like to look at �em, certainly don�t wanna get near them and I absolutely cannot have a pedicure--makes my skin crawl. I�m sure this has some kind of bizarre psychological meaning, but whatEVER...;-p (Arami) And, btw, does anyone know what is the female equivalent of a breast man? (Karen) ...the equivalent for females is an emphasis a tight tush. (Arami) so what is a female equivalent of the bottom man? (Karen) a chest woman Hmmm...I would imagine the bottom thing goes for both sexes (though it holds little interest for me). I think that all men and women are fascinated by each other's unique protrusions. Therefore, the equivalent of a breast man would be a crotch woman (now THAT interests me greatly ;-p). (Karen)chest hair�If it shows around here in unsuitable situations (i.e., not at beach or similar), then I'd probably react with a "yuck"--button it up, you sleaze bag! ;-) I agree. ICK! Well, I�m not opposed to a normal amount, but anything that peeks out of the neckline of a t-shirt has got to go ;-D

The things we learn on the Spring - and they said the Internet was not educational...*scoff* I'll take the guy I love furry all over if that is the way God made him...! Now. back to that protrusion which goes straight from the eye to the libido without stopping at the brain...*sigh* Why IS that?! (Never mind!) Nan, you ARE allowed, encouraged, begged, even to post in Geo. Coitainly you have something to say about Poils?!

I guess we're all terribly refined in the UK...a renent survey asked women to list the five most attractive parts in a man. Winners (in winning order)..eyes, smile, nice butt/ass, hands and GSOH. Wot! No feet!

What is GSOH?

Good sense of humour!

Thanks for asking, Rupert. I rather thought it was inside-out for GOSH and astonishment...sometimes shorthand can impede progress on these responses...or have I lost touch. In Geo I have enough problems making the stuff I post sound good - and unmysterious. Guess I got out of touch with abbreviations...

(Marcia) Nan, you ARE allowed, encouraged, begged, even to post in Geo. I will do just that, m'dear. I warn you, my knowledge of all things Geo is minimal at best. I saw the topic on "Vulcanism" and wondered why you were all talking about Mr. Spock ;-p Coitainly you have something to say about Poils?! Oh honey...every girl has something to say about poils...or at least they should. And Bethan is here! It's like old home week. How are you, honey?

Ah Vulcanism...My Cfadm for the day (month, year, and on....)wanted to work Vulcan in somewhere so I came up with that. I wondered how many Spock fans we disappointed by so doing. (Actually, it is a token homage to the UH Hilo Vulcans - our local college's teams' names) Don't worry about the intellectual content there...discussion of tango lessons broke out in the Bioregions topic, and other frivolity abounds - just as elsewhere on Spring!

(Marcia)...discussion of tango lessons broke out in the Bioregions topic... Hehe... You won't forget that one, will you, Marcia? :-)

It was hilarious. Come back home, Elena, Gi and Alexander! At the time I was dispairing of the topic's ever being normal again, a certain wise gentleman suggested I fire the band! *lol*

...I think levity is off for the time being! How I miss it. Perhaps with Nan's timely arrival we might have fun once again!

On the subject of those "furry" men, I could never love a man who had hair growing out of his back. I'm sorry, it's infantile on my part, but I cannot be attracted to someone who looks as though he needs to evolve a bit more. I don't get the foot attraction either. I can't stand the thought of getting a pedicure, much less giving one. Gross! They couldn't pay me enough. Hands, for me are another story. I notice mens' hands. It would seem the body part I notice on all men whether I'm attracted to them or not/

Foot attraction: I guess it depends on the foot. Most people have ugly feet, congenitally or because of wearing the wrong shoes all their lives. but there are some pretty feet around there too :-)

I had a dream about CF last night. He was himself and I was a gushy, silly, mute. V. embarrassing. Thought it meant I better start talkin and a'droolin. You know, as therapy, to unsilence myself. Hehehe. Some one (Heide? Love your stories btw!) wanted a picture of his feet. Hope this direct link works. If not, you can find the pic under Friends of Firth, under the off-screen images category, where there are lots of thumbnails. This particular thumbnail is at the bottom of the page. You just need to click on it, to get the enlarged version.

Oops, that didn't work! Where'd my link go? Here is the URL at least: http://www.grin.net/~meluchie/anna5.jpg And here's the URL for the offscreen images page at FOF (sort of like SOS, eh?) http://www.grin.net/~meluchie/offscreen.html

Hmmm. That worked as active links, no html required. Neat!

Oh my, Sadie! It took forever to load but it was worth it. Thank you!<-D

Glad you enjoyed Gi. So tell me, what makes for sexy feet, versus not so great, in your opinion? What do you think of CF's feet? -- just as an illustration of your foot theory of course. :-) I know what does it for me regarding men's hands, but I haven't much considered the foot-thing before. Except I find dirty feet a real turn-off. That is to say, grimy unwashed feet...dirty is another matter... Also, I know that size doesn't matter, but how come this board prints such teeny responses? Oh my poor eyes!-D

And of course, I say that wise-ass size remark, and it all prints as a regular size!

Sadie: The size of the font (viewing and printing) is determined by your own PC, not this website. Check font preferences. BTW, you guys are all nuts. A pedicure is the ultimate luxury, especially when they massage your tootsies. ;-)

Karen, I didn't alter my font preferences, and all the other boards looked normal, while this one did not. Well it looks normal now, but I swear I did nothing! V. weird!

Better than a pedicure is reflexology. It is the ultimate! ;-) Sadie, I believe in our past here we have discussed the relative size of hands to the incroyable. Remember ladies? :-D

One of our more scintillating discussions to be sure, Moon. I know it exceeded my expectations but then Colin/Darcy always does. ;-) Hmmm, Sadie, it wasn't me who wanted another peek of Colin's tootsies though I certainly don't mind sneaking a look myself. Thanks.

I also remember that discussion about relative sizes. Very educational :-) I do not find feet especially sexy in themselves, Sadie, but I like good-looking, clean, callus-free, proportionate feet as much as any other part of the human anatomy... Only they are harder to find, probably because people tend to not care for them properly...

Oy! I step away and the feet have taken over ;-p (Karen) BTW, you guys are all nuts. A pedicure is the ultimate luxury, especially when they massage your tootsies. ;-) Oh, ick! My sister agrees with you, Karen and always tries to talk me into joining her when she goes for a pedicure. I don't think I could bear it. I had my little toes fixed a few years ago and the pain was nothing compared to the torture of enduring the surgeon's hands on my feet ;-p Where did this conversation come from? Was it barefoot Colin on the stairs or barefoot Colin on the beach?

Beats me, but I never actually knew he had feet. I just assumed.....*silly me!*

Myh eyes always travel as far as the calves then travel upward again then downward then.......*sigh*

(Nan) Was it barefoot Colin on the stairs or barefoot Colin on the beach? On the beach. Ahhh ... One of my favorite pics of him because it shows clearly his proportions. Also a couple of nicely-shaped tootsies to go along with the rest of his nicely-shaped physique. **Sigh** (Even if he does look like he was assembled by a committee...)(**Heehee**) ;-)

Ooops!! On the stairs!! On the stairs!! Shows to go you how tired I am this time of night...I MEANT on the *Stairs*

(Nan) My sister agrees...and always tries to talk me into joining her when she goes for a pedicure. Have your sister to make an appointment for me at her place and I'll make one for her at mine. Love the slathering in cream part. Heaven! (and I've had foot surgery too)

(Karen) Love the slathering in cream part. Heaven! Oh...ICK! They would have to give me a sedative first ;-p Since we're on the topic of feet, here's something I took down from my wall and scanned just for you guys... Sorry, I can't find my copy of the one on the stairs :-/

(KJArt)(Even if he does look like he was assembled by a committee...)(**Heehee**) ;-) Wot? Colin Frankenstein Firth? :-o (Nan)Sorry, I can't find my copy of the one on the stairs :-/ But you did check the url that Sadie posted a few days ago?

Wow, the beach shot has got to be one of the nicest I've seen. And showing a little ankle no less. Very risque (pretend I know how to make an accent on the 'e' using html). Could the stairs shot be the one I put up as a link, which Gi downloaded? If so, it's the jpg doc. in response 985. Where did this beach shot come from Nan? It's veeery flattering to say the least. Oh dear, I'm having an American Beauty moment again (only, the converse, since I'm younger.) Now wait, before you imagine me in the shower, this was a completely innocent reference. All I meant is that I'm all moony-faced, like Kevin Spacey during the cheerleading. All I can say is: my my my... Although, "mine, mine, mine" would be better!

Hey neat, I crossed postings Gi. Phew, just checked to make sure that I am indeed on the Drool board. But to borrow from the poetic lyricism of Bridget's boss: I'm thinking vanilla and chocolate fudge sundae, I'm thinking holy sand Batman, so let's consecrate it, I'm thinking 'hold me by the ears and call me a Virgin'. I'm sorry, I don't know where that came from. Board is smokin' from mix of electrical and drool overload. She's breaking up, she's breaking up...I cannoo hoold herr mooch lungerr, Captan.

Ya, I know. Lousy Scottish accent. Sorry. Feeling like an actor in MLSF, but without the talent.

Where did this beach shot come from Nan? Harpers...1997,98? I think March.It was taken in Santa Monica and he was about to start shooting ATA ("pardon the expression"). My favorite Nan of all time (next to "on foot?"). ~~~~~~~~~ (Sadie)Oh dear, I'm having an American Beauty moment again LMAO....have to remember that one....a winner, Sadie, thanks.

RAOTFLMAOFLIA - Sadie what can I say except can I have one of whatever you're having??

(Gi) But you did check the url that Sadie posted a few days ago? Now, how did I miss that one. I'll back up and swipe it ;-) (Sadie) Where did this beach shot come from Nan? It's veeery flattering to say the least. Truthfully, I don't remember :-/ Where's Renate? She'll know. She has an amazing memory for those things. She's breaking up, she's breaking up...I cannoo hoold herr mooch lungerr, Captan. LOL! You are definitely a kindred spirit, honey ;-)

Wow, it's so nice to be appreciated for drooling well. This is a total refuge. (well not a total refuge , I can own more than a monk's bowl. And there's no vow of celibacy... right?) (Tracy T)RAOTFLMAOFLIA - Sadie what can I say except can I have one of whatever you're having?? You sure can, Tracy T. It's at response 1002, Nan's famous posting. And we ain't talkin' text. But pleeease, what does RAOTFLMAOFLIA stand for? I need a Drool Acronyms for Dummies Bible! Nan, knew it all along. Who else but a kindred spirit would post such a drool-inspiring photo to begin with? I'm still reduced to 'my,my,my' even now! And you are all aposting and adrooling kindreds! Virtual group hug moment!

(Sadie) (well not a total refuge , I can own more than a monk's bowl. And there's no vow of celibacy... right?) Celibacy! Pffft! Not if I can help it ;-p Nan, knew it all along. Who else but a kindred spirit would post such a drool-inspiring photo to begin with? I'm still reduced to 'my,my,my' even now! And you are all aposting and adrooling kindreds! Virtual group hug moment! Indeed, you've come to the right place. The wetter the better, I say. Everyone is kindred to a certain degree (even those who won't admit it ;-p) but when you use words like "aposting and adrooling" and use a Star Trek reference to make a point, it's almost spooky. Sounds exactly like something I would do. Tell me you like hockey and I'll know we were separated at birth ;-)

So, we weren't exactly separated at birth, Nan. I rarely watch sports. BUT, I have been known to get swept up in a hockey game on occasion, and then, before I know it, I'm yelling and swearing with the best of them. Before there were disappointed Arsenal fans, there were disappointed Leaf Fans.

(Sadie) I have been known to get swept up in a hockey game on occasion, and then, before I know it, I'm yelling and swearing with the best of them. Close enough, m'dear ;-) Before there were disappointed Arsenal fans, there were disappointed Leaf Fans. ...and disappointed Ranger fans *sigh* So, back to the original topic... I was thinking today that maybe we need a little Darcy diversion (preferrably something that has nothing to do with feet ;-p). Anyone have a suggestion? We've each watched P&P a jillion times, talked about every outfit and facial expression, we even laid claim to his possessions. What's left? Maybe a little Darcy poll...not a quiz (what's the point? we all know everything...) but it would be kind of interesting to see an overview of the opinions of Colin fans in general. If anyone has questions you think would be interesting you can let me know and I can whip up a little cgi script for the occasion. I wonder if there is still a cgi-bin though...used to be when we had the chat room at Firth, but with the new server and all...?

Nan, I think it will be fun once BJD is out to compare our Mr. Darcy with MD. Disect, compare and contrast from head to toe. (God, I hope MD has a little ring he plays with). ;-)

Moon -God, I hope MD has a little ring he plays with Erm, I suppose a dangler's too much to hope for ;-P **quiver, faint, crashing noise**

I think we should hold a free-association poll. What random thoughts/daily activities lead people back to thoughts of CF in the course of the day, when they are not on the Board? For example: bought fresh tomatoes. Made me think of Annette Benning's line in The Grifters when she's romping with aweful landlord in lieu of rent. Annette Benning + romping = Valmont = CF. Or this: munched on cookies while watching 60 Minutes. Coooookies. English Ginger Snaps --- CF! (Kinda like that old "Who's on Firth" routine *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*)

Tomatoes make me think of CF in SLoW.

(Sadie) Kinda like that old "Who's on Firth" routine *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* Sure, I remember--Who's on Firth, *WOT?*'s on second...

*lol*

(Eileen) Sure, I remember--Who's on Firth, *WOT?*'s on second... LOL!

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Sadie: We've designated topic 61 for practice postings and (in advance) no need to apologize. :-)

O.K. Karen, thanks (see, I didn't apologize :-D) I know that poor CF has been thoroughly appreciated and dissected. But, a picture is worth a thousand drooling words. So lookie here, even though you've already seen it, can you deny the beauty of this profile? Or get tired of looking at it?

Damn, Damn, Damn!

Ok. This ought to work!

YESSSSSSSSS!! Never get tird of looking at him...*sigh* Congrats, Dear! You did it!!!

sheesh......never get TIRED.....*bigger sigh* See what he does to me?!

I ask, "with such beauty before you" why settle for Fabio?

Personally, I'd run from Fabio. I never understood the attraction for him.

Especially with a dead seagull sitting on his face. Colin's our poster boy (love that jawline on that DQ photo) and Mr. Darcy can rip my bodice anytime. ;-)

Yes, he's certainly looking, er, archetypical. I think this must be hardwired in our, er, brains. (Or something like that! *loud sudden cackle*)

(Heide) Especially with a dead seagull sitting on his face. ROTFLOL! Personally, I can't read the name Fabio without conjuring the image of those bloody blonde locks post-roller coaster ride. "I caahn't beelieve..."

So we're in agreement on Fabio. What good taste we have! LOL Heide! p.s. Thanks for posting revised story, Gail! When are other legendary drool authoresses going to favour us with some more drool-dripping fan fic? Hmmm? When? We need more Darcy! Get making him! The bodice-ripping sounds most promising, Heide *wink, wink, nudge, extra nudge*

Aha! Gotcha!

Playing hide and seek, are you, ladies? ;-)

Ladies you're not playing fair I thought I was going to take part in Darcy Drool at last.I will have to sulk if I don't.

I will have to sulk if I don't. Ooh, like Darcy sulks while he's watching Lizzie and the Colonel flirting at the piano and he has to sit there listening to his old aunt yammering away. Finally, he just gets up and with a flick of those tails strides purposefully to that little minx. He was well rewarded with playful banter and an eyeful (c'mon, everyone noticed his eyes drop down from her face for just that second). Of course now that I'm writing this, I'm thinking maybe I'm getting "sulking" mixed up with "sultry". That works for me too.

Judy, you musn't wait for anyone else when you feel an urge... Just come here and drool to your heart's content... as you see, people will soon follow! So tell us what precisely you like about Darcy? And is there anything about him that you dislike, perhaps? (Ooooh, I haven't Darcydrooled for far too long...) everyone noticed his eyes drop down from her face for just that second Yes, a masterful take... especially that I'm not really sure she was sitting there when they took his close-ups... you know how films are made, don't you? ;-)

Finnnnnnnnallllly. everyone noticed his eyes drop down from her face for just that second. Yes, a masterful take... especially that I'm not really sure she was sitting there when they took his close-ups... you know how films are made, don't you? Oh yeah, I noticed. Ah c'mon, Arami, don't spoil the illusion! I don't want to know that his eyes dropped down and up again while Mr.Collins was sitting there, waiting for his next scene! And have you noticed Heidi, how his heels hit the floor with a determined manly click, before he flicks his tails? Click and flick, that's all it takes, and I'm lost. *sigh*

Ah c'mon, Arami, don't spoil the illusion! My dear friend, I'd have to change my name and a few other details (e.g. my leopard's spots). In other words, I am the Chief Spoiler Of Illusions in this place. ;-)

Do I remember correctly? You make documentary films? You realize of course, that all of reality is an illusion anyway. There is no escape! I just pick my illusions and run with them. Here's one of my favourites: Darcy looks like Colin Firth, walks like Colin Firth, and talks like Colin Firth. Don't tell me he's really a duck! :-)

(Sadie)Don't tell me he's really a duck! :-) LOL

OK, I won't.

There is, of course, that nasty rumor that CF is really a goose.

Here's a scene that's not a illusion...Bride and groom sitting in the carriage after their wedding. Bride drops her hand down to her new husband's manly thigh. Oops! Quickly removes it but my, what a bold move for a virginal blushing bride to make. Conscious move or unconscious reflex? Could it be that she's noticed those tight sinews for so long and just had to feel the firmness now that it's all legal. Or has she had the pleasure of feeling limb against limb for a bit of time now and is getting used to these quick caresses? ;-) Please don't say that she meant to pat her husband's hand but missed. :-p

Are you going to take a nice cool bath now, Heide? Actually, I felt that Miss Eliza Bennett would have waited until after the wedding to explore certain territories pertaining to the unexplored (to her thus far) geography of Fitzwilliam Darcy.

Tell me Cheryl CF+goose=fantasy have I got the equation right? (Heidi)limb against limb oh god help me!

(Judy) Tell me Cheryl CF+goose=fantasy have I got the equation right? It's really quite mundane in reality, Judy. I sleep with my head on pillow stuffed with goose down, and sometimes CF shows up in my dreams. So that may explain CF+goose=fantasy.

Forgive me for raising such a delicate subject... but is there not some sort of expression like "and then he goosed her?" I could be completely mistaken about this, since I'm so pure. *cackle* Oh Heide, the sinewy limbs did it. You know, you might add a line or two about what happened in the closed carriage. I nevah tire of closed carriage stories! (There are great ones in the drool fic archives, in case anyone has been on another planet.) ...back to the thighs. I bet its all been fairly tame until now. She's probably used to sitting in his lap, while he instructs her in the fine art of kissing. She would have noooo clue what innocently shifting around in his lap can do to a man violently in love. But there was that one occasion...when he suddenly got to his feet and turned his back because, well... and Elizabeth misunderstood, thinking he was displeased rather than too pleased.... But I digress. Back to Heide's delicious reflection: As they leave the church in the open carriage, she caresses his thigh (we all caught her doing it!) and gives him one sexxxy look. But her sexuality is still highly unconscious. She simply craves a kiss. But later, after they have said their goodbyes and are on the road to London, Darcy does not scruple to draw down the shades.... What will happen next? Anyone is welcome to speculate.

(Sadie)I might have Known it was you-goosed her- prodding between buttocks I believe-easier in a carriage I would have thought!

actually I can think of some other way but I would think perhaps not for her first time!

I am all astonishment! But we can be sure that whatever he does, he's going to hang on possessively to her neck.

Sadie But later, after they have said their goodbyes and are on the road to London, Darcy does not scruple to draw down the shades.... What will happen next? Anyone is welcome to speculate. ....Hmm how about - As Darcy drew down the shades of the coach, Elizabeth's heart raced in anticipation. They were finally alone. Neverously she smiled at him in the dim light and with a slight blush bit her full lower lip and met his eyes. Darcy's hands clasped her waist and she found herself drawn onto his lap. "My love," he whisphered, then brought his mouth gently down on hers. The kiss was soft and tender, melting away any hesitancy she might have felt at their new intimacy. His right hand left her waist and moved slowly upward till he reached the top of her dress. His fingers softly caressed the flesh he found there, causing Elizabeth's heart beat harder. His mouth left hers and replaced his fingers. Slowly, ever so slowly he moved his lips across her tender flesh. Nibbling and licking he moisened the skin, pausing to dip his tongue eagerly between the mounds, tasting her as he had yearned to for months. Elizabeth sat with some astonishment upon her husband's lap. The attentions he was performing to her bosom was not at'all what she had expected to occur en route to London. Hesitantly she brought her hand up rest on his head. She weaved her fingers into his silky locks and shuddered. This was pure bliss. Often she had noticed how Fitzwilliam's eyes were drawn to that region of her body, but never had she imagined that his mouth on her flesh would affect her like this. With a groan Darcy pulled himself away from his wife just long enough to draw down her bodice. Elizabeth froze in shock. She reached for the gown, intent on covering herself up, but his hand stilled her own. "You are so beautiful." The words came out hoarsly, as his eyes drank in every bit of her loveliness. Slowly he raised them to meet her gaze. "So very, very beautiful." Their eyes locked for a moment, then wonderous expression appeared on his feature, and he smiled at her with pure joy. Nearly overcome with emotion, Lizzy reached out her hands and cupped his face. Slowly she ran her thumbs over the perfect arch of his brows, then remembering the way his tongue had dipped into her clevage, she extended her own and tasted the dimple on each of his cheeks. His hands captured her face and angled her mouth to meet his. - then the author realized that she really needed to get back to work... :-( oh, and Judy... that last bit was just for you. i figured since i stole it from your wish list, you should at least get credit. :-) Esbee

Esbee, I do not have your email address and I will not get to be with you this time.....alas. I have the California plague and a sore throat and fever and a head full of gremlins... So sorry I could cry.......!

You poor thing! *hugs* Tell iki I said he needs to make you some chicken soup. I will miss not getting to see you, *sniff*. I'm sorry California made you sick... we have been having nasty weather, have we not? Hope you feel better for your flight home tommrow!

Now we're drooling! Thanks Esbee, for such a great continuation of the closed-carriage scenario! Do you know, I was so beside myself, I had to type my name twice to get it right when I logged in! Speaking of drool-worthy scenes, just re-watched The Advocate. I do believe, however, that the video version I just saw was censored by so many seconds, compared to the first time I saw it!

OH ESBEE-'Elizabeths heart beat harder' well mine whizzed round my chest',stopped dead,then somehow re-started itself when I read this scene.WOW When I reached the end to find my 2 wishes included bliss they're even sexier than I'd dreamt. Please don't go back to work you've forgotton his other dimples...

Not wanting to "pull an Arami" ;-), isn't this fan fiction? Marcia, hope you get better soon.

(Sadie) just re-watched The Advocate. I do believe, however, that the video version I just saw was censored by so many seconds, compared to the first time I saw it! Oh yeah, you'll never find the HotPig version in your local Blockbuster's (if you live in the States, that is). And a couple of seconds here and there can make a lot of difference. Whoa, doggie!

(Sadie)censored by so many seconds,compared to the first time I saw it! yes I can see you there stop watch in hand. (Eileen)Whoa,doggie! can you explain to little innocent me*snort*

doggie! is the operative word. ;-) We weren't allowed to see Colin standing up behind that curtain. There were other scenes cut as well like the walk along the river, him signing her butt and other little bits, but the aforementioned bow-wow scene was the one that landed the movie an NC-17 rating, and Miramax (a Disney company) couldn't release it as such or an "unrated," and hired a high-profile attorney to protest the rating. It failed and the movie was cut. And there's that fondling scene that Heide is so fond of... ;-)

Ah fondling and doggie- drooling at its best! I'm obviously lucky to have my copy intact,well-worn but intact nevertheless.

The authorities may have prevailed, but it didn't prevent us from seeing those scenes.

It happened again, but this time it took me 3x to get my ID right! Ah yes, I knew I'd seen more of CF behind the curtain --- or words to that effect! How silly of the censors. Whot, only the missionary is permitted? But, they actually also cut some seconds from that position too! I wonder if we'll ever see CF in new scenes that are that, er, telling? Do you think he would refuse, now that he's respectable and married and all? (Oh the tragic reality of becoming status quo!)

(Sadie)I wonder if we'll ever see CF in new scenes that are that, er, telling? Are you trying to ruin my night?

(Judy)Are you trying to ruin my night? Is it the thought of no more or more , i.e. did it ruin your night with despair, or ruin your night by destroying your concentration? I highly recommend taking a gander back at response #1002. It's an ancient curative measure, known to Chinese herbalists as "dousing with virility". The great thing about chinese medicine (I've been seeing an acupuncturist) is that its all about balance. So if your tongue (they read your tongue, the mirror of your body) is too dry or too moist, it doesn't matter. "Dousing with virility" is guaranteed to fix you up, help you achieve, er, balance.... You see, I have been staring at #1002 for the last half hour. Balance. Excuse me. I really have to run upstairs for awhile now...

well It was of because no more.but now you mentioned it(& I have been to bed since I posted that) I've definitely lost concentration to the point that I'm not sure what I'm talking about!! I've made a note of that post 1002 & will definitely check it out

Any one in your house wonder at the furious running up and down stairs?

All fast asleep although my furious typing maybe disturbing their conscious.Its 9.30am here what about you?

It's the middle of the night! I tried to post again at Odds & Ends, but got an error message for posting too much. Oh well. Perhaps on that note, I better get some sleep. It's been fun talking to you! Goodnight/morning.

Good night Sadie its been fun I've feel like I've run a mile chasing after you!I've not even checked out the other topics yet so I'll do that while you're in theland of nod.

SADIE HURRY UP AND WAKE UP where am I looking for 1002? MY tongue always seems to be wet these days what does that mean about me? I think I know the problem with 127 we've reached 1999 KAREN HELP

Esbee, you just love to tantalize. There's been so much of that around here lately and I do enjoy joining the fray. I thought I'd do a little research for you girls and check out the size of those sideburns being paraded around in P&P. Ladies, Mr. Bennet wins handsdown. Mrs. Bennet certainly had a handful at one time. Now Colonel Fitzwilliam's and Wickham's are rather long too but barely thick enough to hold onto, not a lot of substance Mr. Hurst's aren't that long, just wide in a triangular shap, sort of indicative of his own body shape. Poor Mr. Bingley's are rather short and stubby, kind of comma shaped. I'm afraid his look only half grown, not quite reaching a satisfactory level of maturity. Mr. Collins has no sideburns to speak of at all. What a relief for Charlotte. Our Mr. Darcy's are long but end in an L-shape. Make of this whatever you will.

(Judy) SADIE HURRY UP AND WAKE UP where am I looking for 1002? Sorry Judy, scroll back to message #1002 on this very board. MY tongue always seems to be wet these days what does that mean about me? I do believe that it's a symptom of DROOLING! I think I know the problem with 127 we've reached 1999 KAREN HELP You are so right! I must have been severely sleep deprived not to notice last night! Funny how I still had energy to scroll & drool, scroll & drool.

LMAO Heide! (Heide) Ladies, Mr. Bennet wins handsdown. Mrs. Bennet certainly had a handful at one time. It's always the bookish ones who surprise you. Now Colonel Fitzwilliam's and Wickham's are rather long too but barely thick enough to hold onto, not a lot of substance. Not surprised about Wickham, but how could this be about Colonel Studmuffin? Mr. Hurst's aren't that long, just wide in a triangular shap, sort of indicative of his own body shape. Let's not go there! Poor Mr. Bingley's are rather short and stubby, kind of comma shaped. I'm afraid his look only half grown, not quite reaching a satisfactory level of maturity. But think how much energy his sideburns will have! Mr. Collins has no sideburns to speak of at all. What a relief for Charlotte. Judging from the way he simpers, sideburns are not all he's missing. He clearly has no jaws (as in stubble) --- both sides. Our Mr. Darcy's are long but end in an L-shape. Make of this whatever you will. Are you saying that Mr. Darcy's are not well hung?

Aha I'm finally allowed back in I was getting paranoid for a while there. Sadie finally managed to find 1002,love that pic went and found my larger one to look in more detail.I love that grin and those feet and as for slathering(is that a real word?) with cream, well leave the cream off for me, some people like it as it comes! Colonel Studmuffin? tell me you're joking. Heidi great research project on sideburns but you're all missing the point with Darcy's L shaped ones,don't you know what L stands for?-lust,lickable,length, liquefy shall I go on?

(Heide) Ladies, Mr. Bennet wins handsdown. Mrs. Bennet certainly had a handful at one time. (Sadie)It's always the bookish ones who surprise you. This of course begs the question; just what type of books has Mr. Bennet been reading? *giggle* (Heide) Our Mr. Darcy's are long but end in an L-shape. Make of this whatever you will. (Sadie) Are you saying that Mr. Darcy's are not well hung? *GASP* Surely not! ;-0

(Judy)went and found my larger one to look in more detail AM green with envy! Where did you get it? Colonel Studmuffin? tell me you're joking Yes actually, I am. But if you check out fan-fic at Pemberley, you'll notice that the Dwiggies have this running gag. Am crossing virtual worlds so much, I know not where I am. Heidi great research project on sideburns but you're all missing the point with Darcy's L shaped ones,don't you know what L stands for?-lust,lickable,length, liquefy shall I go on? Yes do go on! (Esbee)This of course begs the question; just what type of books has Mr. Bennet been reading? *giggle* Sexactly! (Refer to fanfic board if confused by this reference)

...lecherous,licentious,lewd Its just the picture out of the magazine,full page yummy.talking of which am relieved about the studmuffin, wouldn't want you nibbling the wrong sort

Which mag, Judy? I live such a sheltered life. Or, at least I did til I came here!

Unfortunately I've not kept full mag just the pretty picture.Although there is a smaller one in Harpers at time of FP.

Oh well, thanks for info on Harpers. I shall just have to keep returning to the little scanned one. :-( Why am I ( ? That is certainly satisfying enough :-)

Do you have a list of favourite posts that you go back to re-drool over?

So far just that one. It was my definitive moment as a drooler. I still think its one of the nicest photos I've ever seen of CF. Of course, there are other nice shots on other sites. What about you? What's you're all-time fave photo? And this applies to anyone else out there who wishes to join in! BTW, it would be a real treat if you posted it while saying why it's your fave!

Oh what a question off the top of my head I loved the one of him as Darcy that RT mag produced as a poster(its also up in the shop at Lyme Park) a while back he looked so perfect.There's another one of him,I think he's in DQ mode,all in black sat down hands clasped but I'm not sure if I've seen it posted anywhere.For the other photos I will go thro' all my CF stuff yes,yes!

A woman's got to do, what a woman's got to do!

(SadieR) I wonder if we'll ever see CF in new scenes that are that, er, telling? Do you think he would refuse, now that he's respectable and married and all? (Oh the tragic reality of becoming status quo!) You're no doubt right. We shall never see the like of CF in that sort of scene again. Still, he has been working out -- so who knows.

Sadie: What's you're all-time fave photo? And this applies to anyone else out there who wishes to join in! BTW, it would be a real treat if you posted it while saying why it's your fave! It's been a while since I posted here last ;-) My all time favourite Darcy photo is IBM (I hope you can recognize the name ;-)) Why? Because it's not only shown Darcy's haughty, aloof side but also shown mix of mocking, mischievous and even a slight gallant. It is the most complex expression on one single handsome face I've ever seen. *big sigh*

(Sadie) Are you saying that Mr. Darcy's are not well hung? Not possible, no nevah!!!

(Xian)My all time favourite Darcy photo is IBM (I hope you can recognize the name ;-)) Brain is clearly not working. What is that they say about the sympathetic vs. the parasympathetic systems? Please tell me more! (Cheryl) Still, he has been working out -- so who knows. Oh for another Hotpig type script now!

Yes Sadie I am lucky to know the area well I spent most of my childhood holidays there.Even luckier I onlylive about 6 miles from Lyme. (Cheryl) Still,he has been working out-oh I can just imagine it,I would love to towel him down.

Took me a while, but didn't IBM stand for Ideal Breeding Material? But can't for the life of me remember the pic... am obviously not functioning on all gears :-(

You're not alone Karen ;-(( As to my fave Darcy pic, it'd have to be the 'Pemberley Look'.....makes me go all unnecessary just thinking about it *sigh*

'all unnecessary' I like that, however it makes me getall undressed. Another of my favourite looks is when he goes to Longbourn for the first time & Lizzy is pretending to sew,he's stood at the window & he keeps glancing across at her,it melts me everytime.

Hmmm....I'd forgotten that one! Ah but what about the look he shoots her out of his 'bathroom' window when he's all drippy and dishevelled (drippy in a wet sense not in a weedy one ;-D)...*gulp*

OH GOD yes that neck yummy I would love a nibble and then slowly taking his robe off...

...it is amazing the effect that the damp Darcy has on us all, whether it be white shirt or robe clad. ;-}~~~~~ I cannot somehow imagine a soggy Collins would get our hearts a fluttering, a wet Wickham wouldn't do much for me either.

What about a wet Willy then?

*Pfft* Do you mean Col Fitzwilliam? Nah, cannot see the fascination levelled at him on these hallowed boards, I'm a Darcy girl through and through. Oh-o - PC problems seem to be contagious, now PC keeps freezing and disconnecting internet *boo* so this may be my last post until tomorrow...

No never accuse me of that I mean the Fitzwilliam! yes this is my 3rd reconnection so I'll go before I throw it out of the window.

My fave: On foot?

Karen: Took me a while, but didn't IBM stand for Ideal Breeding Material? But can't for the life of me remember the pic... am obviously not functioning on all gears :-( You are right. It is Ideal Breeding Material and I like the name very much indeed ;-)

Isn't this gorgeous? Takes my breath away! Thank you Xian.

*GLUP* thanks Xian, I have a big 'ole puddle of drool around my PC after viewing that lovely pic. ...he's just so freaken cute!

Thanks for the pix ladies. Love that expression in the IBM picture. Is this guy cute or what? (Judy)OH GOD yes that neck yummy I would love a nibble Yes, yes, yes. I love neck view when he's writing the letter to Lizzy. He's all disheveled with his shirt open and then leans back in the chair. My teeth are always aching to take a little nip!

Gail keep your teeth to yourself the necks mine:-) You know Gail I've never noticed a mans neck before CF,you look at their face,bum, whether they fill their pants out properly but not their neck!so why do I always look at his.That scene you mentioned always gets me too it needs a good lick & nibble,it definitely brings out the Vamp-ire in me

Thanks Karen, you have an impressive memory even when not on full gears! Freakin cute is right! Thanks for pics Evelyn & Xian. My its hot in here. What a second Gail & Judy: I might be late in posting, but you will have to wrastle for the neck! (Gail) Yes, yes, yes. I love neck view when he's writing the letter to Lizzy. He's all disheveled with his shirt open and then leans back in the chair. My teeth are always aching to take a little nip! Well, I'm a little 'all unnecessary' myself at the moment Tracy. LOL! Gail, you've expressed my feelings & the scene so well! Sure hope there's a similar delectable moment in What Matters Most . Yes, another hint! Vamp-ire. LOL Judy!

Thank you for this pic, Sadie, I've been hunting for it because that's my favourite. Unlike you, Judy, I do tend to look at men's necks... and wrists, if you please! ;-) They can be most erotic, I assure you...

Hmmm, pic was there and now has disappeared? Anyone know why that would be? I am down to some last drooling hours before computer gets disconnected!

(SadieR)I am down to some last drooling hours before computer gets disconnected! This sounds ominous! What happens after that?

Sadie you wicked woman thats my neck you're showing to all & sundry! Gi thanks for the tips on man watching it just goes to show that you can teach an old dog new tricks. I'm taking your advice and looking at a pic of CF showing his hands & wrists in all their glory.Must admit to already having a thing about his hands especially those lovely long fingers-very erotic.

Nothing ominous Gi. Just moving to new apartment soon. (Judy) Must admit to already having a thing about his hands especially those lovely long fingers-very erotic. Yes, nice hands are v. importante!

Oh Sadie, I am in heaven with that picture!! Ummmmmmmmm ....nibble....nibble.....nibble.....nibble. I think it affects me so much because for most of the movie he is so covered up that any view of skin is intensely erotic. Sure hope there's a similar delectable moment in What Matters Most. No promises but you've certainly given me food for thought. Ummmmmmmmm ....nibble....nibble.....nibble.....nibble.

Back by one request-you know who you are. I have a love/ hate relationship with the first proposal scene.When I first read the book I wanted toget this part over & done with,I really felt for Darcy To this day this is a scene I find difficult to watch,asa child I used to hide my head behind a cushion or hide behind the sofa if there was anything on TV I didn't want to watch ,although I didn't quite do this when I saw Colin act this part out it was a close run thing:-D It was Darcy as we know & love him arrogantbut cute & I wanted to kiss him better,I would have made my move & took him in my arms when he went outside,the look on his face & later when he returned to Rosings was a real stomach churner. Another fave for me was "Do not you feel a great inclination,Miss Bennet,to seize such an opportunity of dancing a reel?" She smiled,but made no answer.He repeated the question,with some surprise at her silence. 'Oh !' said she,'I heard you before:but I could not immediately determine what to say in reply.You wantedme,I know,to say "Yes," & I will but only if you will change into your kilt first,sir!

Another fave for me was "Do not you feel a great inclination,Miss Bennet,to seize such an opportunity of dancing a reel?"....You wanted me,I know,to say "Yes," & I will but only if you will change into your kilt first,sir! Damn, I knew you Brits had a better version that what we were shown on these shores. ;-) As for the first proposal scene, I can't hide my eyes at this; rather, I quite like it. But for scenes with Darcy in that I dislike watching it's when Lizzy tells Darcy at the Inn in Lambton about Wickham running off with Lydia. Colin gives a little shudder when Lizzy says, "You know him too well to doubt the rest." That shudder is so hokey! C'mon, Colin you can show distaste better than that.

(Heide)That shudder is so hokey! its his only mistake & the little hand stroke is a winner for me. I like the proposal scene its that he does it so well & he evokes the feelings I had at 14 reading it for the first time that I revert back to feeling embarrassed for him .

LOL Judy, the kilt was in Austen's private unpublished version. How did you get your hands on it (the manuscript I mean)! Thanks and thanks again for starting this off!! I must confess, I love the first proposal scene. Such a great battle. You know, I can't remember my feelings from the first time I read it. I know I was just as shocked as Elizabeth to learn how unfair she'd been about Wickham. But still, Darcy was so sexy I couldn't help hoping for him all along, even though I didn't know how he stood a chance. I find the line "you have said quite enough Madam" to be very sexy. He'll never be a wuss, even when he's feeling shot down. Ever notice that in most of their exchanges, Lizzy attacks but Darcy eventually calls a halt to it and has the final word. I agree, Colin did overact with that shudder. On other hand, he was able to say :"Are you certain, absolutely certain?" in just the right way. I always stumbled over that when reading it. Could never hear it in my head without Darcy's voice rising unpleasantly. *sigh* such a wonderful voice there now. I love Darcy's reply to Lizzy re: dancing the reel. "Indeed I do not dare." Can just picture the amused and smouldering look.

(Sadie)How did you get your hands on it(the manuscript I mean) you were right first time I did needed both hands. I love the way he says abhorrence it gives me delicious shivers. (Sadie)Ever notice that in most of their exchanges, Lizzy attacks but Darcy eventually calls a halt to it and has the final word . There goes our pretence at being modern independent women but yes I have & yes I do love his masterfulness but maybe Lizzy does it on purpose because she gets a thrill out of it as well.She'll do it even more when they're married if she knows whats good for her "you have said quite enough madam,now to bed!" *sigh*shiver*sigh*sigh*sly smile*

needed=need

Now Heide, where'd you go? Hope you come back soon, haven't bumped into you drooling for awhile. (Judy)I love the way he says abhorrence it gives me delicious shivers. And he says it twice! I love the way he looks while at the Collinses when he says "Yes, I call it a very easy distance." Such a nice profile! And "but you would not always wish to be a Longbourn I think". And of course the way he scrambles for self-control and arrogantly takes his leave.

(Judy)There goes our pretence at being modern independent women but yes I have & yes I do love his masterfulness but maybe Lizzy does it on purpose because she gets a thrill out of it as well. Yeah, it's Lizzy who stops arguing and lets him have the last word --- such a good girl, really. But then, I figure she knows that she's already stepped out of line by going on the attack. I think she does get a thrill out of pre-empting him. He's a worthy opponent, but she can only make war so far because the rules of politeness (and of being a good girl) demand that she stops when he makes it clear he's had enough harrassment. I think I find his masterfulness acceptable because Darcy is no bully. It just happens to be damned sexy too! A little risk, a worthy opponent, but no real threat. Honestly though, a little fight in a man means that I wouldn't have to run the relationship all by myself. For me, the Darcy fantasy means someone whose equally strong and not going to turn into a little boy when I lose my temper. "you have said quite enough madam,now to bed!" *sigh*shiver*sigh*sigh*sly smile* LOL Judy! I've always imagined that Darcy knew how to settle disputes.

(Sadie) such a nice profile! yummy, plus his hands ooh I'm doing a Tracy and going all unnecessary!! 'And of course the way he scrambles for self control' Its the thought of him losing that self control that I fantasize about ' 'For me the Darcy fantasy means someone who's equally strong and not going to turn into a little boy when I lose my temper' If you find another man capable of that then let me know in the meantime at least with Darcy there's always the advantage of looking at his breeches to make sure Okay time for another fave moment-Darcy gazing longingly at her as the carriage drives away at Pemberley & what about the witch turning back to look at him?

(Judy) Its the thought of him losing that self control that I fantasize about Bingo! i never realized it before, but you're perfectly right :-)

LOL! Include me in that thought.

(Judy)Darcy gazing longingly at her as the carriage drives away at Pemberley & what about the witch turning back to look at him? Do you really think Lizzy is being a witch here? I thought she was finaly realizing that she had feelings for him and was reluctant to leave. I do agree this is a great scene. It's one of those thin places on my tape. Don't you just want to take that boy in your arms and made it all better?

(Gail) Do you really think Lizzy is being a witch here?I do & I don't. She knows what he feels for her & sheknows what he thinks her feelings for him are so I do just a teeny bit in that respect & that look on his face is a real heart tugger & then again I agree with your view about her realizing her true feelings at lastand maybe thats her way of showing encouragement in a restricted society.And of course who couldn't resist another look at that face,that bod,that still damp hair & as for making it all better I'd go for good old fashioned kissing,neck nibbling & stroking to ease all the pain away . One of my 'thin tape' parts is when he's just got out of the bath & is watching her at play,I can imagine just whats going through his mind probably because I'm thinking the same thing about him.Plus you see his neck in all its glory. *yummy*

Do I hear my name being taken in vain again?? ;-D This part of the tape is a bit care worn for me too...and though I wouldn't go so far as label her a witch, don't you think you can see those tell-tale pund/dollar signs in Lizzy's eyes as she glances back?? Don't do it Darcy..she only wants you for your dosh! Whereas we adore your "other qualities" ;-o~~~

Okay I'll amend it then -a greedy witch:-D

I interpreted that look to be "he's not as proud and disagreeable as I first thought AND he owns this magnificent place" ;-) My tape is worn is several places but one main part is where Mr Darcy and Bingley walk down the stairs together (Mr Darcy is off to London) and Mr Darcy says "utterly and completely". I swoon.

(Cathey) My tape is worn is several places but one main part is where Mr Darcy and Bingley walk down the stairs together (Mr Darcy is off to London) and Mr Darcy says "utterly and completely". I swoon. I agree that is a swoonable moment, but I always have a hard time keeping my eyes focused on Mr. Darcy's eyes where they belong. For some reason they keep drifing downward ;-).

Yes no matter how thin the tape is worn there's always a bulge in certain places & Jana has obviously spotted one :-) My top bulge moment is, erm let me think a minute there's so many of them,what about in London searching for Lydia,definitely a ripe moment.

Well, I must agree with most comments "utterly and completely" myself. On subject of Darcy losing control: There are certain ways I fantasize about that, and certain ways not. It's fun to imagine post-wedding 'cause we know how susceptible he is. After all, he's already lost the battle with his will to his passion. What more will follow? By extension, we get to enjoy Lizzy's power over Darcy and I'm just mean enough to feel a certain enjoyment in his self-torturing along the way to love too. BTW, IMHO, his best breeches are the tan ones he's wearing while atop his horse (used in all the promotions). Have nearly suffered whiplash, travelling between that fine profile (can anyone wear a tophat better, I ask you?) and those thighs...etc.

(Sadie) BTW, IMHO, his best breeches are the tan ones he's wearing while atop his horse Hmmm, lovely, lovely. I've said this many times before but my favorite are the light brown breeches he's wearing as he walks up the steps at Pemberley to escort Lizzie to the carriage. And you're right about that top hat. How does he manage to look gorgeous in it instead of silly? (Judy) My top bulge moment is, erm let me think a minute there's so many of them,what about in London searching for Lydia,definitely a ripe moment. LOL, ripe indeed. But do you think his slightly bunched up shirt tail is adding to the ahem, effect just a bit in that scene? Somehow the proportions seem a little off ;-). Another lovely scene for ripeness though is the second proposal - that is until that #$*@*& camera pans up anyway ;-).

(Sadie) BTW, IMHO, his best breeches are the tan ones he's wearing while atop his horse *sigh* i quite agree, in fact I have a pic of that as my wallpaper. makes starting the morning sitting at a computer alittle more tolerable. (Jana) Another lovely scene for ripeness though is the second proposal - that is until that #$*@*& camera pans up anyway ;-). *double sigh* Oh yeah - camera man was obviously a)male and b)jealous -cause a lady (*cough* perhaps i should say female) would have kept that lovely bit of ripeness in view. ;-0~~~~

I have to agree that he does wear a top hat well (certainly much better than Bingley - sorry Crispin lovers) but I much prefer him without it. That curl that always seems to make its way across his forehead drives me wild. And I long to dig my fingers into that beautiful hair. I have always wished he wasn't wearing a hat for the second proposal scene. How about those silly Napoleon hats they wore at the Meryton assembly? Even ODB couldn't pull that one off. Although again he did look much better than Bingley and Hurst (who wouldn't look better than Hurst?). I also have my favorite bulge moments (in fact I wrote a story about some of them for fanfic) but I hadn't noticed the two mentioned above. I'll have to take another look-see!

Gail - what story was this? i dont remember it, was it recently?

(Jana)But do you think his slightly bunched up shirt tail is adding to the ahem, effect just a bit in that scene? I could cry! but at least it gives me a reason for checking especially if I'm measuring his proportions when my hubby walks in Ladies & Sadie *running to avoid thwack* You can argue as much as you like about which breeches you prefer but as far as I'm concerned the best are the ones you're pulling down at the time. His wedding breeches were strange but if they're going to be ripped off you don't wear your best. (Sadie) atop his horse ooh I wish I was his horse giddy up!! Yes Gail which story

(GailW)How about those silly Napoleon hats they wore at the Meryton assembly? Even ODB couldn't pull that one off. Wot! You mean you didn't like the incroyable bicorne? Take care, it is a much prized keepsake of a highly respected drooler! ;-)

Ladies, I have contributed but little here... (but I lurk most constantly!) However, I must add my share in the conversation! Darcy swings his prominence in Lizzy's face (she's sitting and he's standing) several times... my favorite is when they first meet up again at Hunsford Parsonage and he stands in front of her while she's talking to the Colonel, then he walks away to look out the window... *sigh* ah yes, IT made it's impression on me... FOREVER! And finally, I agree with Judy. I don't know how many times I wished I was his horse! *snicker* Naaaaaaaay!

It sounds like you really know how to start the day Esbee! (JanaJH)I've said this many times before but my favorite are the light brown breeches he's wearing as he walks up the steps at Pemberley to escort Lizzie to the carriage Those are my second choice. I was going to say, forgive me for raising such a delicate subject, but Danielle beat me to it: The parsonage, as he's walking to the window. Now there is a scene that stands out in my mind! No shirttail there, I can tell you. The man himself is in motion. And isn't he wearing those light brown/beige breeches? (GailW)How about those silly Napoleon hats they wore at the Meryton assembly? Even ODB couldn't pull that one off. (Gi)Wot! You mean you didn't like the incroyable bicorne? Take care, it is a much prized keepsake of a highly respected drooler! ;-) The Napoleon hat definitely does something for me too! I say he looks extremely sexy in it, in an arrogant sort of way, as opposed to the top hot (I mean hat, hat!)where he looks extremely sexy in a macho sort of way (the duster coat helps too). Have to agree with you about the hair Gail....It's v. hot all of a sudden in here, what with breeches and hats and bulges and curls, and fine profiles and sensitive hands. Oh my! So Danielle, do please list all the scenes where Darcy is a swinger.

Judy and Danielle, regarding this horse business. Don't forget the scene in Hotpig for a clearer taste of what you're missing!! BTW Judy, filly or brood mare? (*ducking*) Did I mention that the way he uses his riding crop really turns me on?

ps. I wouldn't need to be his horse to enjoy such equestrian skill! *loud whinney-like cackle*

(Sadie) Did I mention that the way he uses his riding crop really turns me on? ROTFLMAO! I'm sure I never noticed it... at all! (Sadie) So Danielle, do please list all the scenes where Darcy is a swinger. I know I have them catalogued somewhere... you must excuse me, while I tear up my room!

I know I have them catalogued somewhere... you must excuse me, while I tear up my room! ROTFLOL *cackle* Too funny Danielle. But tear up your whole house if you need to!

This is a repost from 1997 and Topic 68 BRIEF LIST Since I don't have the aptitude for writing fiction, I applied my analytical and data-gathering abilities to the PP2 tape. As you can see from the data presented below, I was interested in whether there was a common thread (e.g., color of pants, long vs. short, flap vs. flapless). However, I could find only one. With dark pants, you do not get egg roll. Anyway, I had a "hard" time decyphering my scrawls, but here they are for your amusement and/or edification: Meryton Assembly: D: dark pants, 99% waist-up shots, concentrating on face B: light pants; left but not that bouncing in a couple of scenes ("I must have you dance") after MA, Back at Netherfield: D: full length shots ("I would not have you so") but can't tell Lucas Lodge: D: long dark pants, nada B: light, but hardly in scenes, except in background talking to Jane Lizzy at Netherfield: D: tan pants; waist up; at lunch - barely; full shot as he walks to window with coffee - nothing B: light green or grey; definite crumpleness/stuffing as he gets up from table when EB enters room (Billiard Room - nothing) (Parlor - seated at cards or writing) Mrs. Bennet Over to N: D: light pants B: grey pants; a little lump on his left Netherfield Ball: D: dark breeches - nada B: light breeches - no Hunsford - First Visit: D: grey pants; no flap; in middle Rosings (Piano): D: long dark slacks Hunsford - Second Visit: D: light slacks; no flap; can't tell First Proposal: D: long, dark, nothing Gives Letter: D: light slacks with flap; definite left (long strides to catch her) Fencing: D: light slacks with flap; nothing Pemberley: Riding to pond - light pants with flap; definitely on left Sitting down getting undressed - yes, same Wet walk - shirt not long enough for nappie; certainly clingy but nada Dry clothes - camel pants with flap; on left Inn at Lambton: D: light slacks with flap; nothing B: can't tell; coat Pemberley - Piano: D: dark slacks B: light breeches; looks stuffed on both sides Inn - Letter re: Lydia: D: camel slacks, flap, nada What?? Scene: B: looks very stuffed on both sides (talking to Georgianna by piano) London: Drinking leaving Inn - light pants, definitely left Walking streets for Mrs. Yeunge - light pants, on right; very large (something in there) When finds Wickham's place - same Visiting Longbourn: D: camel pants; nada B: his left (as he sits down); flap gapping as he talks to Mrs. B Netherfield Stairs: D: light pants; right; something else there B: camel pants; kind of looks stuffed, but so briefly (see proposal scene - same outfit) Second Proposal: D: light pants with flap; definitely left Wedding: D: light slacks; on right B: light grey

ROTFLOL!! V.v. funny and clever Karen. Bloody brilliant analytic skills! Generally speaking then, you would say he's a lefty, although with signs of being ampisexdrous?

Glad you liked. Was submitted in partial fulfillment for degree in crotchology.

And *that* was when I found Drool! Left-versus-right discussion was raging on :-) 1997, was it? And we're still at it? What a tenacious gang :-)

Not that we're still at it, but that it keeps coming up. :-)

(Gi)And *that* was when I found Drool! Left-versus-right discussion was raging on :-) 1997, was it? And we're still at it? What a tenacious gang :-) There are some things that are just too good to let go of. The story I wrote in fanfic was called 'The Stage Direction' Just a silly piece of nonsense dealing with crotchology. I had never noticed the direction however(ampisexdrous indeed!)so I do thank you Karen for that edification. I will have to watch P&P2 again with your list in hand. It makes it more fun to watch (for the 32nd time) with a clear goal in mind!

LOL! The Art of crotchology features heavily in the Stanislauski (SP) acting method.;-)

Gi)And *that* was when I found Drool! Left-versus-right discussion was raging on :-)1997, was it? LOL...Spring of "97..Feb.? March? Has it been that long? Several of us signed on at that time. Die-hard Droolers;-)

(Danielle) Darcy swings his prominence in Lizzy's face.LOL I'm having palpitations just thinking about it, in fact its hypnotic & I have now taken over Lizzy's body,leaning closer,closer... (Sadie) BTW Judy,filly or brood mare? (*ducking*) LOL but that leaves you as the old nag *galloping away* (Sadie) Did I mention that the way he uses his riding crop really turns me on? are we talking S&M again:-) ampisexdrous-LOL thats some dictionary you're using Karen loved the definitive crotch collection maybe you could publish it with illustrations:-)

Karen! Loved the list... must keep notes and rewind tapes to fill-in missing catalogue! (Sadie) ampisexdrous... A new word! I love this board! (Karen) Was submitted in partial fulfillment for degree in crotchology. ROTFLMAO! I'm sure you passed with flying colors!

(Gail)The story I wrote in fanfic was called 'The Stage Direction' Just a silly piece of nonsense dealing with crotchology. Not silly. Is part of Drool legend now. (Moon)LOL! The Art of crotchology features heavily in the Stanislauski (SP) acting method.;-) Which involves visualizing exercises such as "be the ball"? (Judy)LOL but that leaves you as the old nag *galloping away* LOL! The art of dressage. This nag can't compete. (Judy)are we talking S&M again:-) Got to keep breaking free of those Habits and into some habits. BTW, you haven't given me back my outfit yet! Yes Karen, maybe you could illustrate with snappies? (Any excuse for a cheap thrill ;-P)

Karen - that list!!!! ROTFLOL! OH I love it and i add my vote for snappies :-)

I raise my hand for the snappies as well!

(Danielle)I raise my hand for the snappies as well! LOL! I bet that's not all you're raising your hand for! ('Cause you're a smart woman.) Stand in line sister. BTW, another kilt war should be breaking out any day now, if Judy ever shows up at the same time I'm here...

What did I say Sadie nag.nag,nag no you can't have it back a girl needs a riding habit afterall. Kilt war right I'll meet you outside :-D Amazon Queen!

While we're at it I'll be needing that whip as well, you've had plenty of practice by now. Do you remember that nursery rhyme ride a cock horse

a girl needs a riding habit afterall LOL! We already know what your fave riding habit is too! And no, I never learned a lot of nursery rhymes but that one sounds promising. I'll be needing that whip as well Too bad, it matches my leather boots! I may lend you a chain though. But first, there's the small matter of THE SECOND KILT WAR.

You didn't tell me about the leather boots.A sex shop in Manchester has been robbed this week Know anything about It? The chain though I'd be grateful for anything. Why don't you just admit defeat over the kilt I am determined to have it

I was nowhere near that continent! No chain until War or Peace. (That's a really short novella 'cause everyone chooses Peace at the getgo.) Regarding kilts,you've already got one, remember? Besides, I thought this time you'd go for the prize and not just the package. But if not...

(Sadie) I find the line "you have said quite enough Madam" to be very sexy. "Are you certain, absolutely certain?" "but you would not always wish to be a Longbourn I think" (Judy) I love the way he says "abhorrence" (Cathey) Mr Darcy says "utterly and completely". I swoon. Good lines, ladies, and I quite agree. There are so many delectibles to choose from. I quite like: "You know not how those words have tortured me." Ach, just that little inflection on "torture" says it all! And then Lizzy responds in such an adorable way: "I had not the smallest idea of their ever being taken in such a way." Almost flirtatious. This woman's gonna drive this man wild. Love also when Darcy's waiting for Lizzy at the Inn with Georgiana. She comes in the room - he stands up - (any prominence there? nah, not with his sister in the room). Lizzy says she hopes he has not been waiting long and Darcy replies, "not at all". Pause as he drinks her in. Oops! Suddenly remembers the "real" reason he's there and introduces his sister. (Danielle) my favorite is when they first meet up again at Hunsford Parsonage and he stands in front of her while she's talking to the Colonel, then he walks away to look out the window... LOL! Yeah, it is kind of IN YOUR FACE. Get a kick also in that scene how absolutely everyone else turns to watch Darcy at the window. Notice how Maria's jaw just drops. Hey new girls! You've brought out a few long-time droolers here. Yeah, we may have said it all before but it's simply a lot of fun to refresh oneself at the from time to time and remember what brought us here in the first place.

(Sadie) Besides,I thought this time you'd go for the prize and not just the package.AAGH you tricked me again & got away with the booty! (Heide) Ach,just that little inflection on "torture" saysit all.Mmmm yes a member of Sadies S&M club. (Heide) any prominence there?nah,not wuth his sister in the room.LOL I love this scene as well he's sooo delectable. Karen I'll have to join the placard brigade we want snappies! we want snappies!

With blow-ups.

(Heide) Notice how Maria's jaw just drops. ROTFLMAOAPIMP!!! Whenever I watch that scene, I'm always saying to myself... Nah, she's too young to understand! Plus the fact that I have a whipped, er, warped mind when it comes to Darcybulgitis... hee hee! Thanks for clearing that up!

(Heide)Love also when Darcy's waiting for Lizzy at the Inn...Lizzy says she hopes he has not been waiting long and Darcy replies, "not at all". Pause as he drinks her in. Oops! Suddenly remembers the "real" reason he's there and introduces his sister. Yes, I adore this scene too & the way he says "not at all" --- thanks for reminder of this. (Heide)"You know not how those words have tortured me." Ach, just that little inflection on "torture" says it all! (Judy)Mmmm yes a member of Sadies S&M club. LOL! My club has some distinguished members! (Danielle)Plus the fact that I have a whipped, er, warped mind when it comes to Darcybulgitis... hee hee! Another Drool term! But come now Danielle, you started with "whipped". Finish the thought!! Does it have anything to do with scenes that swing, hmmm?

LOL Danielle -Darcybulgitis-highly contagious Agree with Sadie finish the thought 'whipped' are we talking flagellation here? brings to mind that song whip me with your rhythm stick,whip me ,whip me.

Sadiemasochism...? Enough, madam, enough, I beg you!

Truthful factual reply to Judy's Outrageous Ficticious Stories about Sadie (carried over from Fan-Fic Board) some people say I talk a load of balls but thats another story NAYYY! (as in Nag) that's not story, that's biography -D she understands perfectly afterall she is a Bollock Sister She speaks the truth. I've got my habit to prove it. Sadie I've been trying to get hold of a copy of The Crying Game ever since you started involving me in it LOL! I completely missed the earlier reference to "has bells on". It would kinda fit here. *clue to puzzle* Psst, "DIY DOGGIE" Doggie? As in earlier discussion about being his horse?Remember? It was on this very board only days ago. DIY and DOGGIE: Both at same time are quite an achievement, although hopefully redundant.

Sadie Thats biography-please clarify :-D 1 Sadie's a nag 2 I talk a load of balls 3 both 'I've got the habit to prove it' & what a dirty habit it is!! All these references to The Crying Game should I be worried or feel flattered? DIY DOGGIE DIY=master of own feelings =one handed typer DOGGIE =bitch on heat =kilt Darcy/Colin=cause of DIY DOGGIE Kilt=on heat=master of own feelings =one handed typer Its a humbling moment having to explain my jokes!!

(Sadie) Does it have anything to do with scenes that swing, hmmm? (Judy) 'whipped' are we talking flagellation here? I no longer count sheep jumping a fence when trying to sleep... Is that vague enough for you? (Judy) brings to mind that song whip me with your rhythm stick,whip me ,whip me. ROTFLOL! Who sang this? I must have it, I must!

Oh... Judy and Sadie, you two are too much!

All this talk of bulges reminds me of the hilarious scene in 'The Bar Sinister' when Lydia comes back to Longbourn shortly before Lizzy and Jane's wedding and takes it upon herself to explain what they should expect on their wedding night. She does this after dinner one night and when the gentlemen rejoin the ladies, Lizzy "studiously inspected her shoes, quite determined that her gaze would not alight upon that explicit bulge in the fork of his unhintables." And poor Jane was so spooked she could not speak to her fiance. Lizzy "would have liked to reassure Jane. For she was certain that, regardless of what Lydia told them, Bingley's privates were unlikely (especially in company in the parlour) to burst from his inexpressibles as if an enraged squirrel." Lizzy's discomfort continued when Darcy sat next to her on the sofa "undoubtedly bringing his easily agitated male member with him." "It was now impossible for her to think of anything but Mr. Darcy's tights and what they contained." Join the club Lizzy!

All in the style of mid-Victorian erotica, a good half-century too late. Georgian society was much better informed on the subject, but then it would not give "the Sinister authoress" an excuse to be so frivolous.

LOL Gail, I have not read The Bar Sinister yet. Sounds like a hoot! (Danielle)(previous comment)I know I have them catalogued somewhere... you must excuse me, while I tear up my room! (then)I no longer count sheep jumping a fence when trying to sleep... Is that vague enough for you? Gang-ho! So you found that list, or was it Karen's that you memorized? But what a tease, vagueness is not what we were hinting at!...crotchology as meditation?

Judy The answer is both or neither! & what a dirty habit it is!! It's from all that kneeling (practicing my religion). All these references to The Crying Game should I be worried or feel flattered? Flattered, have you seen him in a basque? DIY=master of own feelings =one handed typer Agreed! DOGGIE =bitch on heat =kilt Got it! But, you did say you'd like to be his horse, so naturally I assumed...

Sadie, 'The Bar Sinister' has gotten a lot of negative reviews but I found it a really fun, sexy book. There is a lot to hate - poor to nonexistent editing, incorrect spelling, wrong names given to people, etc. Fine literature it is not but I think the author wrote it with tongue firmly in cheek and the first section especially is very humorous. It does get serious later, too serious in my opinion, but all in all I liked the book. I loved the characterization of Darcy as sexy, romantic, and heroic - just as I always imagined he would be. I keep the book by my bed and anytime I want a sexy Darcy fix I pick it up and browse my favorite sections.

The Bar Sinister sounds my kind of book-yet another one for my reading list.Can you please let me know the author? (Sadie)The answer is both or neither! oops I've forgot the question:-D ' Its from all that kneeling' - ha its all the stains you mean! 'flattered,have you seen him in a basque ?' HIM? aagh (Gail) Darcy as sexy,romantic,and heroic *big,big sigh*

Re The Bar Sinister, Pride & Prejudice Continues (to give it its full title).. it's by Linda Berdoll and Amazon.co.uk have it for �11.32. Haven't read it myself ..but agree with you, definitely one for my bed-time reading list!

Gail, I hated 'The Bar Sinister' except for that scene with Lydia (hilarious); the one with L&D in her bed chambers at Netherfield when comes back before the wedding (I soooooo wanted them to get it on!), and the 'you're so small/you're too large' wedding night brouhaha (ROTF)! Sadie, it was Karen's list, plus some others I imagined when he was sitting down and staring at her - you know - Darcy crossing his legs and all to keep it down... But I still can't find my list! Agonies!

(Gail)anytime I want a sexy Darcy fix I pick it up and browse my favorite sections LOL! It's important to be a discriminating reader. (Gail) Darcy as sexy,romantic,and heroic (Judy) *big,big sigh* DITTO (Danielle)Sadie, it was Karen's list, plus some others I imagined when he was sitting down and staring at her - you know - Darcy crossing his legs and all to keep it down *cackle*

Just been rechecking a few of my fave moments & now have the urge to Darcy drool! 1 leaving Hunsford after first proposal,the look on his face as he struggles to control his feelings makesme fill up as well. 2 while writing the letter he leans back in the chair exposing his neck in all its glory.Now IMO there are 2 courses of action here-either sink my teeth in or let that apple bob up and down in my mouth. 3 he swills his face after writing letter (I like to think that he is cooling down after what I've just done to him) & his shirt is open & hanging off just begging to be ripped off completely exposing even more of his flesh *slurp,slurp* 4 In the fencing scene he is slightly out of breath & sweating the obvious effect of all that thrusting am now imagining same scenario in the bedroom *panting* 5 His return to Longbourn after Lady C chat,only shortscene but his eyes are so intense that I even forgot to look at his breeches I'm afraid thats all I could take in one session as I'm having hot flushes forming damp patches

*Sigh* All very yummy indeed Judy! Hmm... espically number 4 - that may have some fanfic potential... Darcy teaching Lizzy how to fence. When he taught her how to play billards she ended up bent over the table, and there was serious thrusting involved Must meditate on this for awhile.... ;-P~~~~~~

Judy what about when Darcy enters Longbourn before the second proposal? That look he gives her makes me swoon.

Go for it Esbee! (Moon Dreams) Judy what about when Darcy enters Longbourn before the second proposal? That look he gives her makes me swoon. Yup, yup! uh huh! that's the one... I just start creaming right then and there! uh huh! yup! that's the one...

(Esbee) that may have some fanfic potential,oh yes please the more thrust the better 'When he taught her how to play billards she ended up bent over the table' Oh wow woof woof:-D I'm adding that to my ambition list! BTW whats the story called? Moon,Danielle that was the scene I was talking about in no.5 obviously my mind was more agreeably engaged to be able to explain myself properly-P (Sadiedo you like?) (Danielle) creaming LOL *mock shock* & me a shy girl! BTW where are you self-creamer? I've been at it again today so here goes. 1 On his way back from London to P. he's galloping along & stops.The look on his face at this point is a real tummy tugger ,this guy really needs comforting! 2 Okay that dip scene where he starts stripping off-It got me thinking that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife who could undress him-she would have done the job properly & took his breeches off as well 3 The clinging damp shirt should have had a warning because no matter how many times I see it I'm not prepared for it and come undone! Just wish those breeches were see-through as well (I can't tell you how many times I've retraced his path just imagining him *feeling sheepish*) I didn't get any further because kept having to rew/ffwd to check I didn't get anything wrong

1 On his way back from London to P. he's galloping along & stops.The look on his face at this point is a real tummy tugger ,this guy really needs comforting! I thought he looked a bit plump round the jowls and needed a slimming diet. Or maybe not, who cared. 2 Okay that dip scene where he starts stripping off-It got me thinking that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife... And I thought he was going to drown himself. Seriously. (Never read the book before then.) But all that was shortly before I sort of stepped on the road to Damascus. Yes, it's true: I didn't really like him at all at first - would you credit it? And then, suddenly, wham, 180 degrees on a sixpence...

Judy, the story where Lizzy ends up bent over the billards table is called Mr. Darcy, in the Billards Room, with a Candlestick. :-) enjoy!!

Judy, I like, I like! *Ding, ding, ding* *New sweepstakes spot-the-P&P Reference Winner* Must agree with all scenes people have mentioned. V. sexy. Cannot forget the nice hand as he helps Lizzy into the carriage. I must add the scenes where he's selecting his jacket and then riding off to court Lizzy in Lambton. (Yes, riding crop in hand.) I also love the close-up of him in his sports-carriage as he's heading to London. (Me and profiles) Must also add his posing moments: the way he stands when dealing with George Wickham and then comforting Georgianna at Ramsgate; the way he stands and removes his gloves after dismounting at the pond,and his pose when Lizzy turns round in the carriage as she's leaving Pemberley. Also, his walk up the stairs just previously. Nice thighs! You know, my favourite part of the Pond scene is actually when he's sitting down, removing his neckcloth. Not only for the neck, but because of the contrast between his rugged good looks and the portrait (which does not do him justice, IMO) (Esbee)that may have some fanfic potential... Darcy teaching Lizzy how to fence. When he taught her how to play billards she ended up bent over the table, and there was serious thrusting involved Must meditate on this for awhile You have unerring instincts! Don't just meditate, please perform writing act. Judy, you can find the billiards game story in fan-fic archives. It's by Esbee, entitled: Mr Darcy in the Billiards Room, With a Candlestick. I seem to recall more than one story involving the billiards room. Check out Lisa's The Darcy Diary and The Experiment too (the two go together).

Oops, crossed postings with you Esbee.

(Judy) 3 The clinging damp shirt should have had a warning because no matter how many times I see it I'm not prepared for it and come undone! Just wish those breeches were see-through as well (I can't tell you how many times I've retraced his path just imagining him *feeling sheepish*) Sometimes I actually bend down to see if I can see under his shirt! *bah, baaaaah* (Sadie) Must also add his posing moments: ... then comforting Georgianna at Ramsgate; ... Oh yes! just to hear him say... 'Come...' *slurp* (Sadie again) ... and his pose when Lizzy turns round in the carriage as she's leaving Pemberley. Also, his walk up the stairs just previously. Nice thighs! Thank goodness I have napkins by the keyboard at the ready! drooling can be very dangerous around wirings and such!

Sorry I left the italics on!

ACK! I did it again!

seems better now... I hope!

YES! hee hee!

FYI, I just noticed that P&P is being released in the UK on DVD, October 23rd. Included will be a "making of" featurette.

LOL Danielle! your mind was more agreeably engaged! Thanks for info. Donna. The behind-the-scenes would be fun to see; I already have the book but can never have too much P&P!

(Sadie)You know, my favourite part of the Pond scene is actually when he's sitting down, removing his neckcloth. Not only for the neck, but because of the contrast between his rugged good looks and the portrait (which does not do him justice, IMO) You have hit on one of my pet P&P2 peeves - I thought all of the portraits were AWFUL! The one of Georgiana especially. If they were going to go to all that trouble to make portraits you'd think they could use someone that could capture a likeness. I've seen better characiture artists (or however the he-- you spell it, it doesn't even come up on spellcheck in Word) in the mall.

characiture artists (or however the he-- you spell it, it doesn't even come up on spellcheck in Word) You've damaged the poor machine, you see. It's given up on you.

(Gail) You have hit on one of my pet P&P2 peeves Me too! The 'Darcy' miniature, I think, is particularly awful...so much so that when the housekeeper says "And that's my master, and very like him too!" I find myself bemoaning the standards of 19th century opticial care, clearly this woman needs glasses! ;-). But when Mrs Gardiner adds "It is a handsome face...." - I pity the poor woman (who is obviously mad) but then looking at what she is married too to I can understand her confusion! Am also v confused, the "fine, larger portrait of him upstairs in the gallery" appears to be of non other than Des O'Connor (??!!??) (Note to those lucky enough not aquainted with DO - a British so-called entertainer who seems to have forged a career from being a very bad singer!) Must go and lie down in a darkened room. Donna - thanks for the DVD info, do you have any more details?

Thank you Tracy for explaining who Des O'Connor is.

Am now going to answer my own question re P&P2 DVD, have been having a quick browse of various online stores and the best deal at present seems to be Blackstar who are offering it at �23.99 (no postage & packing). So I've just exercised my flexible friend ( no not THAT one Sadie & Judy )to add this prize to my collection as my poor tape is becoming extremely careworn particularly in the *ahem* 'full-breech' sections ;-P~~~

Has anyone ever seen both the US and UK versions of P&P? I am wondering if the UK versions (VHS and DVD) are more widescreen than the US. I vaguely recall reading somewhere on the web about seeing Charlotte in the scene where Darcy and Colonel Fitzwilliam meet Lizzie for the first time at Hunsford. In the US version, we never see Charlotte in that scene. So I always suspected that the UK version is more widescreen and she got cut out of the US version. I'm sort of rambling to myself, sorry... Unless it's my TV and any of my American buddies out there have seen Charlotte in that scene. I see Mariah, but no Charlotte. But on my TV, the scene with Lizzie and Darcy in the house alone (Lizzie is sitting on the far left and Darcy is on the far right, the "easy distance" scene) always appeared to be cut off. I always wondered if the UK version in that scene was better blocked, if that is the correct term. Also I'm wondering out loud if the extra making of featurettes (plural) are the same that were talked about on other websites that were not shown in the US. A long ramble...

TV screens are different widths in the UK, which accounts for the cropping. Although there was some discussion about the Hunsford scene where they sit far away from each other...it has a symbolic reason as well.

But surely not so symbolic that at times only our dear Darcy's nose is visible. Joyfully those lovely breeches and boots are always evident. Thanks for explaining the different TV screen size. Looks like we are missing an extra millimeter of Darcy and darn it, that's just too much. ;-) Interesting about Charlotte in the Hunsford scene. I'll be waiting to hear from our non-US friends if she is indeed visible. (Tracy) The 'Darcy' miniature, I think, is particularly awful...so much so that when the housekeeper says "And that's my master, and very like him too!" I find myself bemoaning the standards of 19th century opticial care, clearly this woman needs glasses! ;-) Tee hee! There is not an ounce of imperfection in Darcy in Mrs. Reynolds' myopic eye. I agree with you that the miniature is an awful likness unless our dear Darcy weighed considerably more in his younger days. He looked quite swollen. I don't mind the "finer, larger portrait" as much.

(Tracy)And that's my master, and very like him too!" I find myself bemoaning the standards of 19th century opticial care, clearly this woman needs glasses! ;-) LOL Tracy! (Heide)But surely not so symbolic that at times only our dear Darcy's nose is visible. Joyfully those lovely breeches and boots are always evident...Looks like we are missing an extra millimeter of Darcy and darn it, that's just too much. ;-) LOL! Hmmm, am thinking literalism has it's advantages. On other hand, nose, breeches and boots make a fine symbolic statement.

(Heide) I agree with you that the miniature is an awful likness unless our dear Darcy weighed considerably more in his younger days. He looked quite swollen. Baby fat, perhaps. It makes you wonder just how many famous portraits painted before the advent of photography bear a good resemblance to their sitters.

wonder just how many famous portraits painted before the advent of photography bear a good resemblance to their sitters. Portrait painters of the past were often known to produce flattering rather than accurate images. Depending on what was then considered flattering, of course.

Very true, Arami. The painters to the Spanish Court really did have their work cut out for them, having the Spanish Hapsburgs as their raw material. Not the most attractive of families with which to create a flattering image that did bear some resemblence to the sitter. Still, I would have been nice had the production design team on P&P produced more flattering images of Darcy, in both minature and full portrait.

Very true, Cheryl! :-)

His is a tough likeness to get, especially when younger. (I'm not sure why. Perhaps because the features are so vague) The miniature looks like something done from a publicity photo without the dark coloring. The larger one is just plain too vague to resemble anyone. Still and all, the artist(s) have my complete sympathy ... I shall always contend that he doesn't HAVE a likeness. ;-)

the features are so vague Neutral, KJ, the word is neutral. ;-)

Well, we've had the left and right discussion (gives whole new meaning to politics, I thought)and perhaps we can conclude that CF really is too good to be true, which is why he doesn't HAVE a likeness...but at least we know Darcy is real -D and no gurly-mon. I would like to comment on his v. fine chest ---which lies in the middle, between his face and breeches --- in the interest of being politically in the center . When he stands so well in his various macho poses, doesn't his chest invite hugging!?! The coat and vest hang soooo well, they seem to emphasize its strength (those Regency designers knew what they were doing). I cannot fix on the exact shots, the hour, or the spot...but those with worn tapes must know what I mean.

(Sadie) .but those with worn tapes must know what I mean. hmmm... indeed we do :-P~~~~~ Must agree that his chest is delectable in the extreme. Makes one want to lick and nibble their way across it, closely examining every inch. *fanning flushed cheeks from mere thought of doing so*

I agree Sadie and Esbee, however, the way his great (gray) swings from left to right (especially as they stroll back from a day of shooting at Netherfield), rear view, of course!, also makes me *siiiiiiiiigh* There is just something about a man with a confident strut about him... again... *siiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

Thank you Sadie for bringing up the subject of his very fine chest.I agree its enhanced by those clothesI love the waistcoats,I can imagine myself undoing all those buttons slowly ,revealing more & more of him * shiver* Its like opening a bar of chocolate,first the wrapper,oooh the anticipation,then you suck the chocolate off & finally nibble at the centre.OK I'm gone *thud*

(KJ)the features are so vague (Arami)Neutral, KJ, the word is neutral. ;-) Well, I like what's happening to him as he ages. He is losing the neutrality and gaining individuality. Before it was only certain of his characters that had distinct likenesses (like Darcy or Birkin). Now he's developing one of his very own (definitely very Colin) ... and I like it, I like it!! :-) Mostly because I no longer live in fear that I'd see him walking down the street and not recognize him ... until he spoke! How embarrassing!! KJ

Of course, by now, the walk alone should be a dead giveaway!! ;-)

I no longer live in fear that I'd see him walking down the street and not recognize him ... until he spoke! Let me assure you... those of us who have been blessed with the sight of him in real life have no doubt... no doubt at all...

(KJ)I no longer live in fear that I'd see him walking down the street and not recognize him ...until he spoke! (Arami)Let me assure you... those of us who have been blessed with the sight of him in real life have no doubt... no doubt at all...) LOL....Mari recognized him at Starbucks....then she heard the famous voice ordering....

Yeah, and Evelyn saw him from across the street getting out of a taxi (from the rear) going into the Donmar. Took her all of two seconds.

Yeh, but that was the "older" Colin. Which brings to mind something I've been meaning to ask -- One of the pictures at the "Webshots" site was definitely of a younger "more neutral" Colin. Did anyone recognize the source? Did it come from a role or just an informal shot for something? The picture in question being: This One (Gee, I sure hope this works.)

KJart, that is Colin in the Caretaker.

(Esbee)Makes one want to lick and nibble their way across it, closely examining every inch. You do have such a way with words! (Danielle)however, the way his great (gray) swings from left to right (especially as they stroll back from a day of shooting at Netherfield), rear view, of course!, also makes me *siiiiiiiiigh* There is just something about a man with a confident strut about him... again... *siiiiiiiiiiiiigh* Yes I love that shot too! It definitely is a confident strut. (Judy)Its like opening a bar of chocolate LOL! You may have hit on the finest analogy I can think of.

(Judy)Its like opening a bar of chocolate (Sadie)LOL! You may have hit on the finest analogy I can think of. LOL as well - excellent analogy! :-) Reminds me of the 'there's no wrong way to eat a Recess Peanut Butter Cup' commericals .... going straight for the good stuff in the middle; nibbling slowly around the edges; top to bottom/left to right... (Danielle) ...as they stroll back from a day of shooting at Netherfield -(the)rear view... there is just something about a man with a confident strut about him) HMMM Yes! i could watch that scene for hours on end -(or at least until i had drooled enough to become seriously dehydrated, and had to be rushed to the emergency room...) ;-)

Thanks, Lassie. I appreciate the information. (This probably belonged on #134, I guess.)

Sadie and Heide, its time for you to stand up and take a bow and, pat yourselves on the back while you are at it. I have been looking at some old posts on #112 as I have had absolutley no life since I discovered the Darcy drool. Let me take you back to post #1039 regarding Darcy at Rosings and, the wonderful way he gets up from the sofa to go over to Lizzie at the piano. Heide " Ohhhh like Darcy sulks while he is watching Lizzie and the Col flirtting at the piano and he has to sit there listening to his old aunt yammering away. Finally, he just gets up and with a flick of those tails strides purposely over to that little minx." Sadie " And have you noticed how his heels hit the floor with a determined, manly click before he clicks his tails ? Click and flick, thats all it takes and I'm lost..sigh !! " Girls you have hit the nail so far on the head, its not funny. I have loved that scene for soooooo long. I could never figure out why I loved it so much, its not like its the wet shirt ( gulp ) scene or even Darcy gazing adoringly at Elizabeth as she plays the piano at Pemberley. However, I just love it to death and I keep rewinding it over and over. It's nuts, as we barely see his face, maybe its a body language thing. His movements are so decisive, the way he snaps his torso up from the sofa, the speed that he feels is necesary to get his butt over to the other side of the room, is just SO DAMM SEXY !! Don't you feel he could have been born in tails he wears them so elegantly ? Anyway, thanks for this Drool topic as I was absolutley floored when I read somobody explain the attraction of the scene so well. Plus, have you watched the way he then approaches Lizzie at the piano ? He leaps up from the sofa as he knows Lizzie can't see him from where she is sitting at he piano. However, as he approaches her, he is then in her field of vision and he doesn't want to advertise his feelings to her, just yet. So he walks to the piano slowly, but surely, kinda like a shark circling his prey, intently, purposely, knowing he will not let her get away. O God !! Ok I'm feeling all hot and bothered now, I think I need to lie down for a bit. Keep this up, girls, I LOVE IT !! Beth PS Tracy, Your reference from Sep 9, of Darcy looking like Des O'Connor in his portrait had me in stitches. O well, it could have been worse, it could have been Les Dawson, or even worse.....Bob Monkhouse...O the horror !!!

Bethanne glad you've found darcy drool.What other scenes do you lust over.This is the place to own up & anything goes,as you've already guessed from reading Sadies posts. Danielle I love that confident strut.While the rest of the shooting party are all spent Darcy's gun is still cocked,primed & ready to shoot its load BTW does anyone have a comprehensive list of his waistcoats or do I need to watch & count buttons?

Hi Judy....what other scenes turn me to mush.....there are so many !! I'll go with my top 5 for now coz if I don't limit my self I'll be up until dawn drooling. 1. Watching Lizzie play the piano at Pemberley has to be my numero uno. For me, it even surpasses the famouus ( drum roll please ) "wet shirt" scene. The look on his face just gets me every single time. There are so many emotions on his face, sheer joy at being with the women he loves again, incredulous amazement that she is in his own house of all places considering the bitterness of their last meeting, overwhelmig pride in her poise and beauty compared to the brittle bitchiness of the Bingley sisters. There are so many emotions on his face, but in a restrained way,as after all, they are in a room with a bunch of other people. The feelings that flare like laser beams, out of his eyes alone, are just breathtaking. 2. The first proposal scene when he is walking around the drawing room working up the courage to speak of his true feelings to Lizzie. The poor lamb, he is so much in love and his regular, composed world is so out of kilter since he fell for Lizzie, that you really have to feel for him in his distress. 3. Meeting Lizzie by the carrige at Pemberley while she is trying to make her escape. He has just changed out of his wet clothes but his hair is still damp. He's wearing the green coat and those amazing fawn coloured breeches as he asks to be introduces to the Gardiners. They go for a walk in the grounds and, as they are climbing the steps,those breeches, those thighs... O God ! 4. The bath scene watching Lizzie play with his dog. What can I say, just what can I say ? The look on his face...he is just transfixed by what he sees, he just can't look away and neither can we. 5. Watching Lizzie as she enters the ball room at Netherfield. He is leaning on the mantlepiece and looks up to see her coming in. The camera goes back to Lizzie ( probably looking for Wickham ) and then goes back to Darcy. He is facing toward her and I just love the look of indignation on his face. It's almost "How dare you make me feel this way" or "Who the hell are you to make me feel like I'm not in control any more." Don't forget,he is a rich and powerful man. He is used to being in control and always calling the shots. Now all of a sudden, this impudent little upstart has turned him into an emotional basket case. As attracted to her as he is physically, in the early stages of the relationship, I think he resents her terribly too for turning his world upside down. This combination of anger and desire on his face as he watches her walk into the room GETS ME RIGHT HERE !! OK, thats it for now. Tell me to shut up if I am too longwinded, but I have only known about the exhistence of this site for about a week,so I have 5 years worth of pent up drooling to get out of my system !!!!!!!

No Bethanne,I can't tell you to shut up,not when you drool sp eloquently. 1 I love the way you've explained his emotions for this scene 'sheer joy at being with the woman he loves again' sums it up perfectly.You can imagine the wheels turning round as he wonders what to do.I wonder what would have happened if he'd managed a few moments alone with her. 'the feelings that flare like laser beams,out of his eyes alone,are just breathtaking ' wow you should be writing fan fic.I don't need to watch this scene those eyes are etched on my mind. 2 First proposal scene.A fave of mine as well though I feel uncomfy watching it,Colin portrays this scene so well 3 and another one...mmm yes that damp hair is a real turn on.I also love the unshaved look,as for those thighs oooh I can't take much more. 4 you've done it again 'he just can't look away and neither can we' yes we've all got that problem.What do you think of his neck? 5'combination of anger and desire' oh god yes he really doesn't seem to understand whats happening to him,that confusion of feelings seeps out of every pore. later in the Ball,when she starts to dance with CollinsI love that smirk-cum-snort,sooo sexy & naughty on his part.Then he follows her down the line ,I'll never understand how she managed to resist him for so long,I would have thrown myself at him Next 5 soon please!!

Bethanne - ...it could have been Les Dawson.... LOL! That does not bear thinking about! Les Dawson as Darcy....don't go there! If your Top 5 is anything to go by I'm looking forward to your trying to get the pent up drooling out of your system..., believe me it can't be done but we have a great time trying!

(Bethanne) This combination of anger and desire on his face as he watches her walk into the room GETS ME RIGHT HERE !! Hmmm, is that above or below the waist? :-) One of my top 5 - His first visit to Hunsford as he is fidgeting looking at Lizzie while Mr. Collins is, what did Heide call it, yammering away.

(Bethanne) when she starts to dance with Collins (Judy) I love that smirk-cum-snort, sooo sexy & naughty on his part Isn't it though. ;-D

And to think we have all replayed these 5 scenes and more... for almost 5 years now!!! Thank you BethAnne for expressing all of it so well. Your analysis of his expressions is very insightful.

Welcome Bethanne. Welcome Lassie, I may have missed you earlier. Ladies, you may have only just found this place, but those of us who've been here a little longer never get tired of bringing up the same scenes again and again. We can't get bored and can live with the fact that there aren't new scenes to discuss though we have been known to make up a few of our own. Our family and friends would never recognize us here though if they'd look a little more closely they may notice a few signs of Darcy madness - that constant swallowing as we try to keep the drool down, the locked doors and shuttered windows as we closet ourselves away with the VCR, and of course the sudden barks of "Wot?!" when we hear something truly impertinent. This place is a release - a mad release we know but heck, we can't be serious, sensible people all the time. (Bethanne) 4. The bath scene watching Lizzie play with his dog. What can I say, just what can I say ? If you weren't hooked by CF as Darcy yet, this scene had to pull you through. Though amazingly enough I know there are some who have not yet let his power take over the first time they watched until much later. He is used to being in control and always calling the shots. Now all of a sudden, this impudent little upstart has turned him into an emotional basket case. As attracted to her as he is physically, in the early stages of the relationship, I think he resents her terribly too for turning his world upside down. This combination of anger and desire on his face as he watches her walk into the room GETS ME RIGHT HERE !! Ah yes, so true. This is when it's fun to compare Darcy's feelings as described in the book with what we're seeing portrayed on the screen. Those love/hate, or should I say desire/repress feelings, are masterful. You know Lizzy's what he wants but he doesn't know she's what he needs. (Judy) What do you think of his neck? LOL! The bath scene, my, my. And those lovely moles. Don't forget the neck scene (that's what it's called, right?) when he writes the letter. ;-)

Lovely Jubbley...nobody thought I was getting carried away describing my Top 5 Darcy scenes. So here goes, 6-10. It's a dirty job, but someones gotta do it, right ? To recap 1-5 1. Watching Lizzie play the piano at Pemberley 2. Walking the grounds with Lizzie at Pemberley, those steps, those breeches, those thighs Ohhhhhhhhh........ its ok, I'm all right now. 3. His nervous tension just before the first proposal scene. 4. Watching Lizzie frollic with his dog . 5. Watching her walk into the ballroom at Netherfiedd. 6. Writing the letter to Lizzie. He finishes writing and leans his head back in sheer tormented weariness. The look of torture on his face...torture at being rejected, torture because she doesn't just reject him, she DESPISES him, torture beacause his status and position mean diddley-squat to her, all added to his pain at having to reveal his painfilled past with Wickham to another person. Remember his words in the proposal " I beg you most fervently to relieve my suffering and, consent to be my wife " Well, this is him suffering and boy does it get to you !! Of course, the unbuttoned shirt does help as well. Makes you want to just to reach into the screen and try to ease the pain on his fevered brow, doesn't it ? Not to mention other, ahem, afflicted places. 7. Lizzie at Huntford Parsonage talkning to Col. Fitzwilliam. Darcy just sits there watching intently, thinking " How come she never laughs and smiles with me like that ? " The look on his face as he fiddles with his ring listening to Mr Collin babble on... Remember, he hasn't seen her for several months. He wants to look away, but he can't. I think, he hopes her power over him would fade, while he was away from her. It hasn't, he wants her am much as ever. He comes over to them briefly and then walks slowly, contemptously over to the window as he is probably angry that he is still attracted to her. Plus, her little dig at him about not seeing Jane in Lindon, probably reminds him that verbally, she can run rings about him. He know that talking to her will always be a verbal battle. I think her spirited responses turn him, on but he hates how she can so effortlessly make him feel stupid. This is our first hint at how grief stricken he will be later on as he looks seriously pissed off in this scene ( yum yum ) Of course, those tight grey breeches help somewhat too. Look at the stricken look on his face, as he looks back at her from the window as she is saying " So, you see, it is a hopeless case is it not, Col Fitzwilliam ? " I love his hair in this scene too, its faily short. I don't like it all bouffant looking later on. 8 Breakfast with the Bingley's. The sisters are bitching about the Bennett sisters and their low class relations in Cheapside. Darcy has his back to them drinking his coffee and says " But with such low connecions, it must greatly reduce their chance of marrying well, that is the material point, Bingley ! " The way he spits out the words " that is the material point " its so snooty and delicious. As he talks, he puts his coffee cup down and turns around coz' Lizzie has now entered the room, I might also say whirled around, as you can almost feel him thinking " O m God, she looks gorgeous ". See him grip the back of the chair ? He wants grip her but can't, so hangs on to the nearest object for dear life. O to be the wood in that chair frame !! 9. Darcy comes to visit the Bennet's at Longbourn with Bingley. He walks into the room, Lizzie curtsies, he bows, their eyes meet and, I am positivley stuck to the sofa !! O my Gawwwdd, words fail me. The words to describe how he looks as their eyes meet, just don't exhist. This man is so besotted and so are we ! I just love the little furtive, sideways glances. It's as if he doesn't have the nerve for a full blown smoulder, coz he's afraid she might reject him again. He has a sense that she might, just might, not be completley indifferent to him, but he is not sure. He wants to just gaze at her and try to assess her feelings ( as well as satisy his own craving for her ) but he is too nervous. He can't help remembering her stinging words to him at Huntsford and is terrified of a repeat. This I feel, is a great depiction of how his earlier arrogance and big-headed presumption that she will accept him, has given way to uncertainty and shyness. It's just so darn adorable. 10. His tortued pacing of the room just prior to the first proposal. He sits down, he gets up, he walks to the fireplace, he turns around, he looks at her, he looks away. The man is in agony and boy, do we feel his pain. His flustered demeanour is such sexy contrast to his normal, rigid one. But, you know what they say, still waters run deep and this one sure as hell does. I can't get enough of the way he says " I BEG you most fervently to relieve my suffering ". The emphasis he puts on "beg" just floors me every single time. It is just sooooo powerful. I mean he is humbling himself before her. The proud and arrogant Mr Darcy, who NEVER,EVER has to beg for anything. It just shows the dept of his feelings for her. Have you noticed the slight pause before he goes on to say " and consent to be my wife " The pause really gived weight to what he is about to say. It really conveys the importance of it, he isn't just asking her to dance, or go for a walk. He asking her to MARRY him !! He wants to spe d the rest of his life with her. I am total mush thru out the entire scene. OK thats it for now, phew....I'm pooped !! See ya Did I already use #10 before ? Sorr I can't go back and check or my compuer will log me out.

Hi Judy,sorry, I meant to thank you for your response to my earlier drooling. I thought I was getting a wee bit carried away. Anyway, you bring up an excellent point that I forgot to mention.....his slightly unshaven look as he is greeting Lizzie at Pemberley after he has changed into dry clothes. ( I love a stubbley man ) As we know, he has been traveling from London all day and hasn't had a chance to shave. Remember what Andrew Davis said about all the Darcy shots in P&P of him bathing, fencing etc... " I wanted to show the man being a man and not just a stuffed shirt " The slight stubble is just so maculine and it just emphasises how eager he is to get back to his beloved. He just pulls on some dry clothes and belts it outa' there, without taking time to shave or comb his hair properly. His eagerness to get back to her is sooooooo drool worthy !!

(Bethanne) I have 5 years of pent up drooling to get out of my system!!!!!!! I've only been here a short time but I've realised I'm here not to get it out of my system but to imbibe it even more-P Heide its not possible to forget that neck scene & asfor those moles perfect for nipping with my teeth. Whew Bethanne 6 ah the neck scene Heide was referring to.You also mentioned torture,Sadies the expert here.I also love it when he swills himself afterwards,That combined with the stretched neck always activates my tongue.BTW you can list those afflicted places I don't mind. 7 'fiddles with his ring' he does that on purpose because he's aware the effect his hands & fingers have,can't you just imagine them stroking your body *shiver* 8 'see him grip the back of the chair ? He wants grip her but can't, so hangs on to the nearest object for dear life' LOL yes perfectly described,needs to get those hands out of danger. 9 great scene,she's pretending to sew & he doesn't know what to do with himself so he resorts to his old trick of standing at the window Its a shame that Lizzy can't walk over to him & sod propriety & slip her arms around him. 10 I play peek-a-boo with this scene,I watch,look away,watch,look away.I take her refusal to heart,howcould she do it to him & all that pacing,can you imagine him as an expectant father damp hair,unshaven & perhaps a slightly male smell after the journey, just enough to turn you on.

Wow! Drool has swelled to a river since yesterday. What a nice deluge to return to! Danielle, I suspect you are going to freak with thrilling excitement when you see all this! (Esbee) Reminds me of the 'there's no wrong way to eat a Recess Peanut Butter Cup' commericals .... going straight for the good stuff in the middle; nibbling slowly around the edges; top to bottom/left to right... Yes Esbee, and there is practically nothing better than chocolate that melts in your mouth. Practically... (Judy)This is the place to own up & anything goes,as you've already guessed from reading Sadies posts. LOL! You might want to read earlier Kilt ravings by Judy too. (Where was that Judy, on the Odds & Ends board?) Danielle I love that confident strut.While the rest of the shooting party are all spent Darcy's gun is still cocked,primed & ready to shoot its load. BTW does anyone have a comprehensive list of his waistcoats or do I need to watch & count buttons? You want to know how many times you need to bite a button off? -D Observation about phallic symbol:1. V. good! Times I have drooled while reading all these posts by entire drool crew: 2000. Good. Newest Member: Bethanne, bloody fantastic! (Bethanne)This combination of anger and desire on his face as he watches her walk into the room GETS ME RIGHT HERE !! Now where would that be again?...(BTW Donna, I thought your question was a v. good one!)Don't stop drooling, pleasssssse. Tracy's right --- I know I cannot get it out of my system. You are obviously divinely sent. Some things are eternal afterall, and the mystery of Darcy is never solved. (Judy's made it into a new religion *slight scamper sideways as she tries to keep a straight face at calling the kettle again*) And I'll second Judy's comment, you should write fanfic, you have such a way with words. O to be the wood in that chair frame !! LOL! I can think of some other things I'd like to be! (Yet not like Charles and Camilla routine. V.confusing...) (Judy)Its a shame that Lizzy can't walk over to him & sod propriety & slip her arms around him. (Heide) Our family and friends would never recognize us here though if they'd look a little more closely they may notice a few signs of Darcy madness - that constant swallowing as we try to keep the drool down, the locked doors and shuttered windows as we closet ourselves away with the VCR, and of course the sudden barks of "Wot?!" when we hear something truly impertinent. LOL Heide, so well said! *sigh* It's a good thing we have fanfic authors (like Heide and Esbee, Gail, and on occasion Danielle. Hint, hint, hint). Actually, I'd really like to see the man begging more! (Bethanne, Judy knows what a cruel streak I have towards Darcy, even if he is irresistible -D) Imagine his suffering during their courtship? So delicious! Ok, now be honest people. "Indeed I do not dare"? But how much would he dare? Lassie, I don't think we've met before, but you mentioned you've been around for 5 years. Hello! Oh dear, have burned my food again, was sooooo preoccupied.

Have just forced myself (oh what tortune ;-P~~~) to watch the first half of P&P again with an eye on the subtle. It hasn't struck me before, but I noticed how on many occasions, when Darcy utters what should be a stinging attack or damning comment on somebody - particularly in conversation with Bingley, the faintest glimmer of a wry smile graces that gorgeous face. Perhaps Darcy is making poor attempts at humour but the poor boy gets it all wrong and he winds up being sooo misunderstood! Anybody else noticed this or is it just me staring at the screen willing the corners of his mouth to turn up! One of my favourite 'looks' comes when he asks Lizzie to dance at Lucas Lodge (or is it...damn showing my ignorance) and is rejected. There is that initial look of absolute gob-smackedness - how dare she reject me, ME - coupled with Hmmm - she has spirit....I LIKE that! . He watches her, completely mesmerized, as she walks off and when Caroline Bingley says she knows what he is thinking ..he is totally transfixed and has an X rated look on his face..."I should imagine not" *smirk*...you can most definitely read his mind - it would make fantastic fanfic material I've no doubt! ;-o

Sadie how could you- kilt- *woof* woof*pant*woof* I've no idea where it was you're the elephant*duck* As far as I'm aware I tried to talk about it on every board,I get around you know-D 'you want to know how many times you need to bite a button off?-D' now you given me the idea I do,all the way down! *slight scamper sideways as she tries to keep a straight face at calling the kettle again* Lmao & you a founding member .'scamper sideways* sounds like crabs to me *running fast* 'Imagine his suffering during courtship? So delicious!' LoL you've just given prove of that cruel streak, although I'll always back you up on it (Tracy) It would make fantastic fanfic material! I've no doubt!;-O okay you've just volunteered yourself

(Tracy)he is totally transfixed and has an X rated look on his face..."I should imagine not" *smirk*...you can most definitely read his mind - it would make fantastic fanfic material I've no doubt! ;-o LOL Tracy! I know what was going through my mind watching his naughty expression. (Tracy)I noticed how on many occasions, when Darcy utters what should be a stinging attack or damning comment on somebody - particularly in conversation with Bingley, the faintest glimmer of a wry smile graces that gorgeous face. I agree Tracy. And in the book, we only know of Darcy being rude on the one famous occasion (until much later, when Miss Bingley reveals his "I should as soon call her mother a wit" remark) On reading the book again, it's easy to see how Lizzy is misconstruing both his motives and character on several occasions. Jane points out that she never thought Mr.Darcy looked as disagreeable the way Lizzy did. And so often, he smiles at all the saucy things Lizzy says to him. I agree with Aunt Gardiner: he "only wants a little more liveliness". His sense of humour is already there. (Remember how he teases her about dancing a reel, and she replies, only if you put on your kilt --- oops, sorry --- was Judy's version!) (Judy)now you given me the idea I do,all the way down! But can you handle those big buttons on either side of the breeches? Hmmm, comment may be misconstrued...kilt, kilt, kilt...down DOGGIE down. 'scamper sideways* sounds like crabs to me *running fast* LOL! Yes you better run, but it won't save you from going insane eventually -D *takes a bow, but only to examine those buttons*

The way Lizzy thought Darcy was disagreeable, I mean. I believe that may be a dangler. -D

(Tracy) ...I noticed how on many occasions, when Darcy utters what should be a stinging attack or damning comment on somebody - particularly in conversation with Bingley, the faintest glimmer of a wry smile graces that gorgeous face Tracy i've noticed this as well. It's almost like he's attempting to start a lively debate - or encourage Bingly to voice a point of view that is different from his own. But, before he can get the converstation going- the sisters immediately jump in with their opinon of how right Darcy is. This is one of the things i believe Darcy finds so apealing about Lizzy - she forms her own opinion and says what she thinks. (Tracy)He watches her, completely mesmerized, as she walks off and when Caroline Bingley says she knows what he is thinking ..he is totally transfixed and has an X rated look on his face..."I should imagine not" *smirk*...you can most definitely read his mind - it would make fantastic fanfic material I've no doubt! ;-o (Judy) okay you've just volunteered yourself LOL! she did indeed! Go to it Tracy... that's an excellent idea you had, and a great place to start writing fanfic - alittle fantacy interlude is just the thing for a new writer to start with!!! and, speaking of fanfic.... Bethanne!!!!!! YOU need to be writing! (oh, and hello btw *grin* I dont believe we've actually met... i'm EsBee) When i was reading the descriptions of your top ten i kept thinking to myself 'Why is this girl not writing fanfic?' I see Sadie and Judy agree with me - hope to see you posting over at 134 soon! (er... it is 134 isnt it? might be wrong, hav'ta double check) Also - Lassie - hello to you as well! i dont believe we've met before either

Hi Folks I just got back from Barnes and Noble where I saw the P&P DVD for sale. Isn't it supposed to have a "Making of " feature added to it ? I saw nothing on the cover blurb about any additional material. The total running time is 310 mins too, which is only about the basic 6 episodes worth. I don't want to splurge for something, if its the exact same thing that I already have on video tape. Anybody know ? What's the deal on the documentary " From page to screen " that I have seen redered to in several earlier drools. How does one acquire a copy ? Have any of you seen it ? Is there much Colin/Darcy in it, or is it all boring stuff about costumes, sets, music etc ? In earlier drools, I have also seen references to Darcy leaving Huntsford Parsonage in great distress, after the first proposal scene. The way he stalks back across the fields to Rosings, is listed in several drools, as a Top 5 moment. I have never seen this on my version taped from the A&E Channel. I heard that several scenes were cut short to facilitate all the commercial breaks, but this is one I just JUST LOVE TO see ! Could anybody post some snappies ? See ya !

(Bethanne Denny) Isn't it supposed to have a "Making of " feature added to it ? The DVD with the making of feature is being released in the UK.

However, the US DVD should have all the scenes that were cut from the A&E broadcast. They were shown when A&E broadcast P&P on its classroom series early in the morning. Wasn't it commercialess? These two are from his walk from Hunsford back to Rosings: Here's another you wouldn't have seen. After Lizzy leaves Lambton, the darling Bingley sisters make a crack about "aren't you glad they're gone?" To which Darcy erupts with a "Wot?!" and gets up and stamps out of the room.

Here's that second one. Don't know what I did...

Thanks for posting these Karen. Like Bethanne, I've only seen the A&E version. I'm planning to treat myself to watching the extra minutes as soon as work settles down. BTW, that first is a lovely shot! Such a dear curl and he looks so devastated! And in the last shot, so stricken yet also angry!

Ladies, you have unleashed a ferocious beast here ! O stop it, I'm not talking about Darcy and Lizzie's wedding night ( gulp .) No, I'll leave that for the talented ladies at Fan Fic. I'm talking about your response to my Darcy drools. I was going to stop at a Top 10 a la David Letterman, but screw it, there are a lot more than 10 drool worthy clips in P&P, so here goes 11-15 11. Mr Darcy takes a dive. (Jeez I can't believe this is only number 11, what on earth is the matter with me ? ) Anyway, that wet shirt......'scuse me a sec while I take a few deep breaths.... breathe in, breathe out, breath in....ok, I'm fit to continue now. Anyway, I just love watching him disrobe in stages, first the jacket, then the cravat, then the waistcoat. The way his delectable body is gradually revealed to us, mirrors how his charms are gradually revealed to Lizzie also. I love the look on his face before he dives in, so tormented,so unhappy. His distress is in such contrast to the icy cool man we first see at he Assembly Rooms at Meryton. On the walk back to Pemberley I love how the shirt is not completley plastered to his chest. I mean, the sun would have partially dried it, wouldn't it ? However, it is wet enough to just HINT at a manly,hairy chest beneath, without revealing everything that's there. After all, what is hinted at, is often far more erotic, than what is displayed out in the open. Dontcha' think ? It is probably Lizzie's first glimpse at a partially disrobed lucious male animal, so we know she HAS to be just a tad hot and bothered. I know we are ! 12. Watching Lizzie dance with Mr Collins. I love the sneering smile he gives her as he watches Mr Colins bump into that lady. It mirrors the distain for her family that he later mentions in the proposal scene. Anyway, as disgusted as he is by the idiotic Mr Collins, he can't help but smirk, as for once, he gets to laugh at HER. Up to this, she has been the one laughing at him, but now he gets to turn the tables on her, by sniggering at the stupidity of her dancing partner. For once, HE has the power to make HER feel inadequate and you know he has to be enjoying it. I don't think he is a malicious person at heart, who likes making people feel small. Its just that in a way, its pay-back time, for the way she made him feel like a fool while she was staying at Netherfield. Then in the blink of an eye, the O so sexy, snooty distain is back, as he watches the dancers go down the line. Yum, yum, yum. 13. The "on foot" interchange as she arrives at Netherfield. I love the " up- yours, asshole ! " curtsey that she gives him. She follow the polite convention of the day, by curtseying to him, but we are left in no doubt as to her feelings for him. I feel he is already attracted to her here, but is not so completley under her spell that he can't respond in kind to her impudent display of dislike. He stands back to let her preceed him into the house (ladies first, afer all ) but his body language drips sarcastic dilike also. Look at the semi-mocking smile on his face as she passes him by. He all but says " Good God, look at the state you are in " He is able to give as good as he gets here and I feel, they meet as equals for the last time until Pemberley. From now on, as she stays longer and longer at Netherfield, he falls more and more under her spell and, he has to struggle to maintain his composure, as Lizzie constantly bests him in their verbal sparring matches. Look at the delicious way 2 people outwardly are following the polite conventions of the day, but bubbling underneath, are fat stormier feelings. 14. "I shall overcome this" fencing scene. Ooooooooooo....... his pain, his torment, his overwhelming physical longing for Elizabeth that he trys to channel into other physical activities, but he fails miserably ! Look at the intensity on his face as he parries and thrusts ( picturing Wickham bleeding to death, maybe ) and the tortured look on his face as he says " I shall over come this " . He is determined to overcome his longing for Lizzie as he feels his sanity may depend on it. but remember, this intense emotional turmoil takes place 6 months after he last saw Lizzie. Just imagine what a wreak he must have been in in the days and weeks immedialtley following his departure from Rosings. Sigh !!!!!!! Another simpler explanation for the attraction of this scene, is the heaving, sweating wet white-shirt-clad hunk of a man that is once more, on display. Makes perfect sense when you think about it. 15 This one is hard to explain, but bear with me. Lizzie playing the piano at Rosings. Darcy with a flick of his coat tails (see previous post of a few days ago ) and a click of his heels leaves his aunt talking to herself and, stalks over to Lizzie and Fitzwiliam at the piano. They enter another verbal fencing match and the conversation veers towards Darcy's self-confessed inability to converse eaily with strangers. Still with me ? OK. Remember Lizzie and Darcy dancing at the Netherfield ball ? They dance in silence at first, but Lizzie just to needle him, forces him to talk to her. She makes the statement " We are both of an unsociable, taciturn disposition, unwillinging to speak, unless we will say something that will amaze the whole room " Ok, now back to Darcy and Lizzie at Rosings. She is still needling him about his unsociable disposition and he responds " You are perfectly right, we, (pausing) neither of us perform to strangers " He stops and smiles slightly. Note they both say " we" when in effect, they are supposed to be just talking about themselves. What's up with that ? Subconsiously, Darcy is already uniting himself with Lizzie in is head and, I think it is sexy as hell. As for Lizzie, I feel that she feels a pull toward him from the get go, an unconsious attraction if you will. On a consious level she is unaware of it, as his pompous behaviour in general, gives her more than enough ammo to dislike him. But I really feel, that she subconsioulsy recognises him to be her intellectual from the very beginning and its just a matter of time befor she succumbs to her destiny. Was that too deep, sorry if it was ? I just feel its an interesting topic. Does Lizzie feel the first flickers at Pemberley or does it start earlier but remain dormant because Darcy is acting like a moron ? Hmmmmmmmm ? Phew, I'm pooped !! See ya.

Oh yes, Bethanne. These are fave scenes of mine too. I have no idea how to decide between so many, but it's fun to see how others rank them. It is probably Lizzie's first glimpse at a partially disrobed lucious male animal, so we know she HAS to be just a tad hot and bothered. I know we are ! Yes, his appearance must hit her with full force, not to mention his politeness. Look at the intensity on his face as he parries and thrusts ( picturing Wickham bleeding to death, maybe ) and the tortured look on his face as he says " I shall over come this " . Or he may be thinking of Lizzy as he parries and thrusts. She has not relieved his suffering after all. Clearly the earlier billiard shot gave him no relief, so he's moved on to a more powerful activity. For, although the gun cocked and loaded is potentially v. effective, it never did get to discharge. -D

Dunno what happened there. It posted twice but cut #15 off in the first one. O well, hope you can stil read it. Yikes, sorry its so long. So that sthe story behind "Wot" I always wondered. Jeez, I wish I could have seen him storm out of the room. He moves so beautifully when he is pissed off. Amaaaaaaaazing pix. I can't wait to see them for real on the DVD. O God look at the stormy expression on his face at Rosings. Someone help me please, I'm falling.....thud....I'm gone !!!

Sadie, you are toooooo funny. " Clearly the billiard ball gave him no relif " You lot are hysterical !! I don't think I have laughed so much in my entire life as I have, since I discovered this site. PS The third line from the end on fav drool scene #15 should read "intellectual and emotional equal " I left out 2 words by mistake.

Bethanne, am getting rid of the first, incomplete post. (Sadie) I agree with Aunt Gardiner: he "only wants a little more liveliness". His sense of humour is already there. (Remember how he teases her about dancing a reel I always wished they'd included this scene; it's a fav of mine and would've shown far more of his true character.

Yikes! Ladies, get thee to a BestBuy or Costco and get that A&E boxed set! You're missing plenty...okay, maybe 5 minutes in total but there are extra precious seconds of Darcy in there. Besides, if all you're relying on are your home tapes, they must be worn very thin. A&E only shows P&P but once a year now. (Bethanne) Does Lizzie feel the first flickers at Pemberley or does it start earlier but remain dormant because Darcy is acting like a moron ? LOL!! Watch out, you might get a debate going here. I think there's the Jane Austen version (the inimitable original) and the Andrew Davies version. Much of the time the twain meets but there are tangents Davies takes that real students of the book (not me) would barely recognize. Some of those tangents have been so deliciously described by the ladies above. Then there are further developments Jane takes that Davies doesn't adapt as Karen suggests. (Karen) I always wished they'd included this scene; it's a fav of mine and would've shown far more of his true character. Would have been lovely. Jane describes Darcy after this scene that he "had never been so bewitched by any woman as he was by her". I'm all for more scenes showing Darcy going under. I also wish we could've had the scene in the garden at Netherfield where Elizabeth and Louisa run into Darcy and Caroline walking together. Louisa abruptly leaves Lizzy alone to join her sister but Darcy "felt their rudeness" and suggested they all walk together in the avenue. Of course Lizzy is happy to decline but we see Darcy is attentive to her feelings.

(Bethanne)As for Lizzie, I feel that she feels a pull toward him from the get go, an unconsious attraction if you will. Bingo, Bethanne...Jennifer Ehle says so in that "From Page to Screen"tape. and she plays it that way... Isn't anybody gonna mention their second meeting at the Lambton Inn..after she has received Jane's letter about Lydia...and he drops in to find her distressed... Take it away....Bethanne...

WOW! 34 new of 1262 responses total. This was greeting as I returned to my beloved Drool today! Oh, if all weekends could end as blissfully as being able to drool for half-an-hour! OK, I could think of a few more blissful events, but CF is otherwise engaged! Anyway... thank you Bethane for stirring it up again! The scene with Darcy walking to the piano at Rosings....! *siiiiiiiiiiiigh* At one or two little instances, you could see right betwen his coattail and legs... *siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh* bowl legs! yippee ki-ya!!! CF definitely has been riding horses for a while...

Heide, actually there are 20 extra minutes in the commercially boxed set as opposed to the A&E version.

Yup, Heide, I'm aware I may be stirring some stuff up here but sometimes I just can't help myself. It's such a delicious topic to conjecture upon, dontcha' think ? I'm not for a minute suggesting Lizzie feels for Darcy the way he feels for her, at the very begginning. I have too much respect for the integrity of Jane Austen's character to propose that theory. However, I have always had a problem with Jane Austen's reasons for Lizzie finally falling in love with Darcy (ie) he has a nice house and wasn't such a jerk to Wickham after all. To me, it just never added up. So I just think there was a teeny, weeny attraction there, that his utter jerkdom at the beginning all but obliterated. I think there HAS to be, or her subsequent falling for him, doesn't seem plausible. Then again ,it could just be the product of my overactive imagination. Here are my reasons and, I am taking these all from the book, not the TV series. 1. She DOES think and talk about him a a lot, especially in the book. Mind you her thoughts are rarely complimentary, but he IS on her mind a lot. She puts a lot of energy into verbally sparring with him, why does she put so much time and effort into this ? Why does she feel such a compulsion to cut him down to size ? Maybe she subconsciously, feels threatned by his possible power over her, so she deliberately trys to keep him at a distance. 2. At the Netherfield ball, Lizzie's mother and sisters are embarressing her with their vulgarity and she watches Darcy to see his reaction to them. Here is a direct quote from the book: " She could not help frequently glancing her eye at Mr Darcy, though every glance convinced her of what she dreaded " Why does his like or dislike of her family matter so much to her ? If she really despised him, she couldn't care less what he thinks...but she DOES care. Why is that ? We know that the Bingley sisters and Lady Catherine don't really like her, but their disapproval doesn't really seem to bother her all that much, but HIS does. Why ? 3. At Rosings she talks with Col Fitzwilliam about Darcy breaking up Bingley's romance with Jane. In the book, that scene is 4 pages long. The Bingley/Jane bit is on the last page, but they spend the first 2 1/2 just talking about Mr Darcy. For a man she dislikes so much, she sure does talk about him a lot. What is going on with her mind subliminally here ? 4. I really feel that from the get go, she is stimulated mentally by him and that is very important to her, especially when you consider the rather stifling, dull, word she lives in. Don't forget how intelligent she is, in a time period when women were supposed to be nothing more than dainty little wallflowers. He respects her intelligence and lets her give full reign to her opinions, while also displaying his own considerable brain power. It's a shame he is such a pompous ass at the begining, as it wipes out his good character qualities( his treatment of her as a intellectual equal, which is really ahead of its time ) but then we wouldn't have a story if she falls for him on page 1, now would we ? Thats it, I'm out !

His legs are quite straight. His gait makes them look less so.

(Bethanne)However, I have always had a problem with Jane Austen's reasons for Lizzie finally falling in love with Darcy (ie) he has a nice house and wasn't such a jerk to Wickham after all. To me, it just never added up. So I just think there was a teeny, weeny attraction there, that his utter jerkdom at the beginning all but obliterated. I think there HAS to be, or her subsequent falling for him, doesn't seem plausible. LOL Bethanne, this debate rages on at the Pemberley site every so often. Here are my two cents. I pretty much agree with you about a prior attraction, but I differ with you a little bit about Austen's reasons for Lizzie finally falling for Darcy. I've always thought Lizzy is incredibly strong; she simply will not give her heart to a man who has not learned to "please a woman worthy of being pleased" no matter how sexy, intelligent, good-looking, powerful, and wealthy he is --- and no matter how much she feels an attraction. I think it's in keeping with Austen's view of love as reasonable love directed at a worthy object --- and love as a function of real knowledge of another person, rather than fantasy (love at first sight). After all, Darcy's behaviour is not acceptable (until he reforms) no matter how basically decent a person he is; his greatest failure in behaviour is committed against Lizzy when he insults her --- very ungallant, considering his power in the world, compared to hers. (Remember, Emma com its a similar wrong.) But I also think Austen enjoys teasing us with hints of human frailty and timing of events as factors in characters' subjective judgements about others e.g. the very human thoughts Lizzy has while touring Pemberley. (I think Austen is having a little fun at Lizzy's expense, too.) Ok. this is not very drooly. So in the interest of focus: Darcy's no gurly-mon! Imagine how exciting their quarrels will be after they are married! I like Judy's suggested scenario: You have said quite enough Madam! To bed!

Bingo Sadie, you hit the nail on the head. You describe perfectly, how Lizzie's spirited disgust over his unchivallrous behaviour, will always win out over his considerable worldly attributes, until he reforms. I couldn't have have said it better myself. What was Judy's scenario suggestion ? Did I miss something ? Yup, I am slobbering over my keyboard thinking of the electricity in the air during one of their married quarrels. The sexual tension in the air, as they fight, is what makes the TV series so amazing. Just imagine how much more intense it would get as a married couple, when they both know where the fights will end up being settled. ( gulp ) I doubt if they would even make it to the privacy of their bedroom, half the time ! Gotta go now, my keyboard is so wet I'm afraid I'll electrocute myself. Where the heck is the bloody Cling-wrap when I need it ?

Wow! My first time on-line in a few days and so much to read! Love it! Thanks Bethanne for getting a lively conversation going. And I love your drool list - it's fun to hear (well, see) someone else's take on those treasured scenes. The opposite of love is not hate but indifference. Lizzy is certainly not indifferent to Darcy either in the book or show. I think Lizzy is well on her way to feeling more amiable towards Darcy after his letter. Remember she keeps it all those months and I sure she reads it over and over again. I think at first she is more ashamed of her own behavior but gradually her feelings turn to warmth towards Darcy. His actions at Pemberley were the little nudge she needed to get to love.

Hi Gail - I agree 100% with your post. After reading his letter and going through the normal period of resentment and mortification, I believe she started to see his decent side. Although, she would not allow herself to admit it. But by the time she got to Pemberly, she was open to seeing his good side. As you said, all she needed was the little nudge. She was open to his advances, imo, before she ever set eyes on Pemberly.

My, my, this topic has exploded! Great analysis of your top 15, Bethanne. Agree with all (but also agree with Evelyn, scene at Inn is one of my favs--'shall I call a doctor?'). As Heide advised, anyone not in possession of the boxed set of tapes or the DVD must invest--many of us paid around $100 for them a few years ago (money well spent, IMO); the prices are much more reasonable now. Karen and Heide, agree with that missing scene (about dancing a reel). Love the line 'indeed I do not dare.' There are so many from the book I can imagine being well done by the P&P2 cast, such as Mrs. Bennet effusing about Lizzy's engagement. I've always been of the opinion that Lizzy (Austen and Davies versions) was definitely subliminally/subconsciously attracted to Darcy from the get-go. Hello and welcome, Lassie. Was that you in the movie 'Frannie Come Home'? ;-D

(Eileen)but also agree with Evelyn, scene at Inn is one of my favs--'shall I call a doctor?'). What he wants to do is to envelop her in his arms ..but he only dares to hold her hand ever so gently....What a moment...

(Evelyn) he only dares to hold her hand ever so gently....What a moment... *sigh* oh yeah. that gets me everytime too. *double sigh*

Another nomination for "best ommitted scene" Darcy and Lizzie are in the library at Netherfield. He keeps his nose stuck in his book and won't even look at her coz' he is afraid he has been paying her too much attention already. This is what JA writes in the book. " Steady to his purpose, he scarcely spoke 10 words to her through the whole of Sunday, and though they were at one time left by themselves for half an hour, he adheared most conscientiously to his book and, would not even look at her " Just Imagine how it could be filmed and how much intensity CF could inject into the scene without even opening his mouth. Here goes. A clock ticking on the mantlepiece is the only sound in the room as its 2 occupants keep their head lowered, both refusing to look up or be the first to break the silence. Darcy's eyes are glued to the pages of his book but he doesn't see a word and his hand trembles slightly as he turn the pages. Not a word is spoken, but the silence gets louder and louder and the tension in the room can be cut like a knife. Darcy wills himself not to look up and with icy determination, he keeps his head lowered as the words on the page dance befoer his eyes. Lizzie sits there all calm and composed, probably enjoying his obvious discomfort at having to share a room with a woman he dislikes. However, the REAL reason for his discomfort, would probably shock her if she knew of it. He sticks a finger in between the top of his cravat and the base of his neck (which feels hot and flushed to the touch) and loosens his cravat imperceptibly, wondering why Lizzie doesn't seem to feel as bothered by the heat as he is. A fine film of persperation breaks out on his forehead and upper lip and, he can feel a bead of sweat slowly trickle down between his shoulder blades to pool at the top of his fine buckskin breeches. Before too long, his fine linen shirt is soaked to the skin and he grimaces in distaste. He shifts slightly in his chair and turns his body away from the heat of the fire. Finally, mercifully, after 30 minutes of sheer physical torture, he hears voices in the hallway. Bingley and Jane have returned from their tour of the portrait gallery and he says a silent prayer of thanks for their arrival. He gathers his wits, to at least APPEAR civil when they arrive back in the room. He shitfs in his chair again, trying to ease the painful tightness in his breeches and forces a look of polite distinterest onto his overheated, flushed face. Lizzie gets up to greet her sister, also happy to see them return. She sneeks a peek at Mr Darcy and leaves the room, arm and arm with her sister, thinking " Wot' a disagreeable man ! "

LOL Bethanne, thankyou for this scene! You know how I love for Darcy to suffer with his desire! There were a couple things I meant to add on the Lizzy attraction thing. I remember it once being discussed that her admiration of Pemberley was really an encoded way of Austen describing her admiration for Darcy's sexual potency. Pemberley "stood well on rising ground". LOL! at v. least, his house reflects his taste. I'm so glad that Gail and Donna mentioned the letter too. His letter is really lifegiving; Lizzy grows as a person because of it, just as Darcy grows after Elizabeth's setdown. It's funny how much this model of love fits today's "new" thinking about relationships here in the U.S. And elsewhere? Danielle, I knew you'd be thrilled! Regarding Judy's earlier reel comment --- it's not that far back --- probably within a few weeks, on this very board. I have to agree with others about the inn scene. He so gently leads her to her chair, and so reluctantly relinquishes first her one arm, and then the other. *sigh*

Other ommitted scenes: *feel free to write them, Bethanne, hint, hint* The three scenes Austen only briefly mentions when Darcy seeks Elizabeth out in Rosings Park. He obviously thinks he's actively courting her, and she's completely clueless about why he's asking all these odd, unconnected questions! V. sexy when he alludes to her staying in the house on her next visit. I can just imagine all the fantasizing he must be engaging in at this point, when he's on the verge of proposing. So go to it, Bethanne!

Yup, yup, yup to everything, Sadie. I love the "odd" questions he asks her at Rosings, especially the one implying that she will be staying there, the next time she is in Kent. Also, he asks her about her love of "solitary walks"...a coded way of saying he recognises and admires her love of....ahem.... strenuous physical exercise, perhaps ? Naturally, my overheated brain isn't just refering to walking and neither is his ! Did you notice in the scene where he visits her at Huntsford and she is by herself, that they ommitted the bit where he moved his chair toward her slightly ? They left that out totally. In fact, in the book, her surprised reaction to his doing so, is the reason he gets up and leaves. It would have been a nice touch to add, dontcha' think ? I too, love the inn at Lambton scene where he reluctantly lets go of her hand. What intruiges me is, what is he doing there in the first place and by him self too ? We know she will be dinning again that night at Pemberley, so why not wait until then to see her ? I love how he just can't bear to be away from her and the wait until dinner-time is just too long for the poor lamb. Would he have proposed again so soon ? I don't think so, but its nice to imagine what they would have gotten up to, but for Jane's letter about Lydia. I think he goes there just to ressure himself that he wasn't dreaming, that she was actually NICE to him the night before and, that the whole wonderful evening wasn't just a product of his fevered dreams and longings. Plus, his intentionally going to see her, by himself, without the Bingley's or Georgiana in tow, is sexy as hell. He does not feel the need for others to be around to act as a buffer zone between them.. He is starting to feel confident in his ability to make her want to be with him also. In the past they were only ever alone by accident....but now he is blatant in his desire to see her by herself and, he is not afraid to advertise the fact to the world. I love his the impatient way he gets dressed that morning. He just can't wait to see her again. You can just imagine the joy he must be feeling considering her hasn't seen her in 6 months and the impatience he must feel to make up for lost time. I can just imagine his spirits soaring coz' she isn't giving him the cold shoulder, which must surprise him, considering the disatrous 1st proposal. See how impatient he is with his valet as he gets dressed ? It's out of character, if we can believe the housekeeper, Mrs Reynolds who calls him the "best of masters" but God love him, he's not in his right mind now that Lizzie is back in his life. Watch him gallop off to Lambton and just before he passes out of the camera shot, he applies the whip to the horse to speed him up....sigh...drool....sigh !

Well Bethanne, you sure do know how to get the rest of us drooling!! Glad that you found us! I loved your library scenerio. he can feel a bead of sweat slowly trickle down between his shoulder blades to pool at the top of his fine buckskin breeches. Wait...I'll get that! slurp....slurp....slurp.... And the scene at the Lambton Inn - He does not feel the need for others to be around to act as a buffer zone between them.. He is starting to feel confident in his ability to make her want to be with him also. In the past they were only ever alone by accident....but now he is blatant in his desire to see her by herself and, he is not afraid to advertise the fact to the world. I never looked at it like that before - I like your perspective. (Sadie) at v. least, his house reflects his taste. I always thought that Lizzy's attraction to Pemberley was not due to its obvious wealth but to Darcy's good taste (although I do like the analogy to sexual potency!). She was not motivated by money, even though she later jokes about it with Jane, otherwise she would have accepted Darcy's first proposal. And she was not at all impressed by Rosings even though it was described as being even more sumptuous than Pemberley. This was just another side of Darcy that she could admire and which helped to move her further along the route to love.

(Sadie) when Darcy seeks Elizabeth out in Rosings Park. He obviously thinks he's actively courting her, and she's completely clueless about why he's asking all these odd, unconnected questions! I have to agree. Would've loved to have seen these scenes.

Re: Lizzie's attraction to Darcy 'coz has a beautiful, elegant home. I hate to say it, but he is probably not the one responsible for it. Don't forget, the Darcy's are an old and noble family. The house has probably been around for a very long time and he probably inheirited it as it was, more or less, from his father. Remember ( in the book ) where Caroline Bingley is gushing over the wonderful library at Pemberley ? Darcy replies " It ought to be good, it has been the work of many generations " I know we all know him to be a man of taste and refinement, but we probably shouldn't give him all the credit for the gorgeous house. Still, its nice to drool over it, isn't it ?

Another nomination for best scenes left out of the TV series. Anybody else sorry that the part in the book, where Darcy comes to dinner at Netherfield, but doesn't talk much to Lizzie, was left out of the TV version ? It's one of my favourite parts of the book. I love how the tables have now been turned on her. For most of the book/TV series, Darcy is the one gazing longingly at Lizzie, but now she is the one acting all mushy and love struck. Ths is what JA wrote: Darcy had walked away to another part of the room. She followed him with her eyes, envied everyone to whom he spoke, had scarcely patience enough to help anyone to coffee; and then was enraged with herself for being so silly. Wouldn't that have looked wonderful on film ?

And in that scene they stare at each other whilst playing cards. He returns the coffee cup to her and she is so disappointed that she is not able to linger there with him. Definitely should have been added along with the Rosings walks.

Yes, Bethanne, I did notice the absence of a moving chair in the Hunsford scene! But I didn't mind this more understated version. I wonder if we could have believed that Lizzy can't sense his attraction if it were more overt --- despite Darcy's quick reversion to distancing tactics. Forgive the double negatives. In the book, the tete-a-tete ends when Charlotte and Maria return. (Bethanne)I think he goes there just to ressure himself that he wasn't dreaming, that she was actually NICE to him the night before and, that the whole wonderful evening wasn't just a product of his fevered dreams and longings. I really like this account of it! And I agree, he's not afraid to show the world that he's courting. And don't you love his bedroom? I think they deliberately included it to tantalize us.

(Bethanne)Re: Lizzie's attraction to Darcy 'coz has a beautiful, elegant home. I hate to say it, but he is probably not the one responsible for it. Don't forget, the Darcy's are an old and noble family. The house has probably been around for a very long time and he probably inheirited it as it was, more or less, from his father. True, but he did just redo "a very pretty sitting-room, lately fitted up with greater elegance and lightness than the apartments below" for his sister. (BTW, a further contrast between his true taste and Lady C's ostentation at Rosings?) He's very much in charge and placing his stamp on his own house. And, he is always buying books for that libary too. I've always thought that if Lizzy had any weakness, it would be for his fairyland woods. The wood nymph has found her home. Regarding Longbourn scene: I really miss it in the film version for every reason you've said and also Moons' reasons.

Well, you know I meant "Moon's" 'cause I know there is only one of you!

They shouldn't have missed any scene out that involved Darcy .I've always thought that they concentrated too much on Lydia & Wickham at the endat the expense of some wonderful Darcy scenes,some of which have already been mentioned,the meal at Longbourn should never have been missed out but also the scene after their engagement has become public knowledge,thats Darcy drool lost & wasted, instead I have to imagine it myself,which bulging breeches he wore,which waistcoat.

Well, you know I meant "Moon's" 'cause I know there is only one of you! Here on Earth there is only one Moon, but where I come from well... ;-)

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Bethanne! Loved the library scene! And I agree with all the missing scenes too! It was such an excellent miniseries, but I can tell that at least some of us have read the book as much as watched the tapes! Bravo! I must also add that I wanted to see all the arguments at Netherfield, especially the one with 'poetry being the food of love' and the one with Bingley describing Darcy as 'I do not know a more awful object... on particular occassions', etc. Talk about CF melting the stage camera with his eyes on those scenes! *sigh*

Yum, yum, what lovely drooling today. MOON, I agree about the missing cards scene. It would have been cute to see them both being chided by their playing partners, for not paying attention to the game. I can just see Darcy sitting there, with his cards upsidedown and not even realising it. Dontcha' just drool over the possibilities of the coffee cup. You can just see them standing so close to each other, 2 heaving chests separated only by a dainty little porcelain cup. Maybe we can hear a faint rattle of cup on saucer, coz' Darcy's hand is trembling ever so slightly. SADIE, You are right about not showing Darcy moving his chair toward Lizzie when he visits her at Huntsford. I suppose it would have made his attraction to her, a wee bit too obvious. But then, he hasn't exactly been subtle in his attraction to her her, has he? I mean all those invitations to dance, not to mention all those intense, smouldering looks. They sure as hell send our blood pressure skyward....dunno why Lizzie remains unaffected for so long. Is she human ? I disagree about Darcy's bedroom. Yes, it was lovely to get a peek into his boudoir, but don't you think red satin wall paper and bedcoverings are just a tad gaudy for a man of such taste and elegance ? The blue bedroom at Rosings was far nicer, I thought. JUDY: I agree wholeheartidly that NO scene with Darcy and Lizzie should have been left out. They gave Lydia/Wickham and Jane/Bingley waaaaaaaaay too much time, in my humble opinion. I know they had to show some of them, coz' they are relevant to the story, but not at the expense of leaving out so much Darcy and Lizzie. I especially, would have loved to see the post-engagement scene, where she gets him to account for falling in love with her. However, a relaxed, laid back Darcy speaking freely about his love for her....guys I don't think I could have handled that. Maybe, for the sake of my hormones/sanity/heart-rate I'm glad they didn't show it. ( In another 48 years, I'll actually start to believe that too. ) DANIELLE: Bingo on the wonderful love poetry arguement between them and especially the " I do not know a more awful object......" scene too. Do you remember in the book that Lizzie was about to laugh at Bingley's remark, but that she checked herself because she could sense that Darcy was offended by the remark ? Doesn't this show how tuned in she is to his feelings, when she wants to be ? She wants to prevent him pain, if she can help it, without even being aware of it. Sigh, drool, slobber......keep it up !!!!!

OK, here we go........ Darcy dines at Longbourn. This has long been one of my favourite scenes from the book and I was very sad it didn't make it into the TV version. CF could have just murdered this. It is very drool-worthy. We can just imagine how his chocolate pools could smoulder in candle-light. Slurp-slurp-slurp........ Ooops.....I just realised, this should be at Fanfic, shouldn't it ? Sorry ! I only realised my mistake when I already had it all typed up. I'll put Part 2 The Coffee Cup Scene at #130.....that is when I can figure out a way to work in a reference to "painfull tightnesses in his breeches" into drinking coffee. I bet the folks at Starbucks never had this problem ! Anyway, enjoy !! MR DARCY DINES AT LONGBOURN. PART: 1 The dinning room door closed behind Mrs Bennet, with a quiet click, as Darcy leaned back in his chair and let out a deep sigh of relef. He reached for his wine glass and took a deep, satisfying draught of the cool liquid to ease the pain of his dry, parched throat. He exhaled deeply, his first breath, seemingly in over an hour. He had just sat through a 4 course meal at the Bennet house and, he felt as if he had been holding his breath for most of the preceeding hour. In a way, he was glad that he and Lizzie were seated at opposite ends of table, as he didn't trust himself to get through the meal without slobbering all over himself or knocking over his glass, if she had been seated beside him. It was all he could do to keep his countenance, as he watched her bite into a ripe, succulent strawberry earlier, over dessert. It took a mammoth effort of will, not to groan out loud, as he saw her beautiful, rosy red lips stained even redder by the succulent juice of the strawberry. When her tongue snaked out to catch a drop of juice that would have slid down her chin, the tightness in his breeches turned into an actual physical pain. He had to force his brain away from the tempting, tantalising vision in his head, of her mouth opening slowly for him, as he fed her a strawberry from a bowl, balanced precariously on top of a tangle of rumpled, red, silk sheets as they lay in his bed at Pemberley........... With intense willpower, he had forced himself to concentrate on what Mrs Bennet, to his left, was saying, but he remained intensley conscious of Elizabeth's presence accross the table. Her appetite didn't seem any better than his had been, through out the meal. She seemed to push her food around her plate just as listlessly as he did. Was her stomach tied up in the horrible knots that his was ? Did she also feel that she would choke, if she tried to force even the smallest morsel of food down her throat ? With an almost angry glare, he looked up at her, as he clenched and unclenched his fists under the table. But at that moment, Mrs Bennet arose, bidding the ladies to join her in the drawing room for coffee and leave the gentlemen to their brandy and cigars. His back was to the door that Lizzie left through, but he could sense and feel the exact moment that she passed behind his chair. He closed his eyes and caught just the faintest whisper of silk on silk and a delicate, tantalizing scent of roses. He felt momentarily lightheaded and hung onto the back of his chair for suport. He was very grateful that the dim candlelight of the dinningroom did not reveal his heaving chest and sweat slicked brow, so he sat back down and let his breathing slowly return to normal. For the next 30 minutes Darcy listened with half a mind to Mr Bennett and Sir William Lucas discus the upcoming autumn harvest. He had little time for Sir William, but he found himself enjoying Mr Bennet's subtle, dry, wit. In spite of his earlier diapproval, for the way Mr Bennet seemed to let his younger daughters run wild, he could see and appreciate where Lizzie got her own way with words. A tiny smile played about his mouth, as he remembered all their verbal battles over the past year. Even though, she continually ran rings around him, he treasued every single second of them. As grateful as he was, for this time to compose his overheated thoughts and body, he was the first one out of his seat, when Mr Bennet suggested they all join the ladies in the drawing room for coffee. TO BE CONTINUED.............

Bethanne, Whew!! What a delightful way to start the day. Loved that bit with the strawberry! Please, please, please do continue....

Yikes! That strawberry! *fanning flushed face* Simply wonderful Bethanne, you had me completely drawn in. Can't wait for more...

VVG, Bethanne! I am waiting to see what happens next. ;-)

*fanning self* arggyto dlsovl ok, good, human speech dropped back into lust-filled brain! Please do continue!! Do have them ever so slightly touching fingers over the coffee cup! *chest heaves in sympathy with imagined scene* I too wholeheartedly agree with Judy that no Darcy scene should have been left out! LOL Bethanne! Just call me gaudy, I loved the red! Just think of all that repressed passion it implies. Do you remember in the book that Lizzie was about to laugh at Bingley's remark, but that she checked herself because she could sense that Darcy was offended by the remark ? Doesn't this show how tuned in she is to his feelings, when she wants to be ? Yes! and it also shows how refined her manners truly are.

Bethanne wonderful story,I can't believe how many talented writers we have here at drool. Sadie I agree about the red & its implications of repressed passion,love that bed,I even bought a postcard of it when I went to visit.-P

Sadie- Just call me gaudy, I loved the red! Just think of all that repressed passion it implies. Repressed passion??...Those sumptious red drapes, IMO, represent full on, in your face passion *thinks to self*.."If only!" ...*severe bout of unneccessariness*. I'm loving this topic, I hadn't really analysed P&P beyond the obvious areas before. It struck me that the curtains are metaphors for Darcy's feelings (G*d, am sounding like somebody really pretentious in manner of whatsername out of BJD) *getting back to point*.. hear me out, those icy blue curtains of the Rosings chambers echo Darcy's coolness in the handling of the letter in response to Lizzie's refusal of the Hunsford proposal and the dampening of his ardour *clutching at straws*.. And the red - well I don't think anyone is in doubt of his thoughts/feelings as he hurriedly dresses for the Lambton encounter. ;-P~~~ Oh dear ...is that really how my mind works? Now I read this it makes no sense whatsoever, but I'll not delete it as then would not get your fabulous feedback! Be kind..pretty please!

Note to self - stick to what you're good at hon - drooling, analysing just ain't your forte!

I don't know Tracy you're doing well it makes perfect sense to me,The blue & red colours could also represent the coldness & warmth of the atmospheres at Rosings & Pemberley respectively. Although I prefer your idea of them representing the state of D's arousal at any one time.

Ok, I give in on the red (passionate Darcy) vs blue (icy, cold Darcy) drapes on his bed. You are all right, screw his good taste and elegance, I'm all for rampant, uncontrollable desire. Part 2 of Darcy dines at Longbourn to follow shortly

LOL! AM glad we have concensus on the drapes! Tracy: *applause for analysis* BTW, the Georgians loved bright colours too. I also covet that yellow of the entrance hall. Did anyone wonder if his bedroom also doubled as Drawing Room at Lucas Lodge? Sorry, not v. drool-worthy speculation. Bed looks v. comfy and huge. Imagine the curtains drawn, the soft glow from the fire...

Oh, and the Pier glass. Let us not forget interesting potential of full-length mirror near bed.

...the heat from the bed

oops that was in response to 1301 but the mirror sounds good to me,

...the friction...

off the rubbing?

oh yes, no need for etchings here! Ok Tracy, where'd ya go? Bethanne?

LOL there's no escape,I'm still here.

You'd better be! I didn't ask where others were in hopes you'd disappear on me!

I know but I'd always catch you elsewhere! I love Darcy!! (just in case anyone wonders why I'm here-D)

LOL! Would that be in his kilt or his breeches? And when and where did you love him?

All over him once I removed his kilt & breeches (v. trendy that wearing skirt over trousers-D)

Yikes....what have we started here ? Yup, red is a very erotic colour isn't it ? That's why I couldn't resist the strawberry bit in "Darcy dines at Longbourn" Plus have you noticed that his bed is a four poster job ? Were silk scarves in vogue in Regency Times ? Ooops, sory...wrong movie, thats Basic Instinct ( gulp ) Anyway, if I don't answer it's because I'm outside trying to rescue all of my potted plants from the torrential downpour we are having right now.....cue lust filled thoughts of Darcy striding towards Pemberley, all damp and magnificant...take it away Sadie and Judy !!!!

LOL! a triple entendre! v.good. Skirt over trousers: Nice... You mean yours? Hmmmm. Nice for you, anyway. Shaggability (his) V. high. -D

Oops, we crossed posts, Bethanne! Hope your rescue mission is successful! Silk scarves, nice! Although, Darcy comes fully equipped with long cravat wound around his neck. Four poster, oh yes, I noticed.

I missed that post Sadie but I didn't realise I was so clever,nice of you to let everyone know-D skirt over trousers-like being on top.

what about tying him to the bed with that silk scarf?

Crisp white linen is more the thing, imho.

yes! Don't you just want to unravel that neckcloth, tie him up to those posts, and lie against that white linen shirt, and then...*ding, ding, ding* is not fanfic board. My lips are sealed. (No, don't go there!)

Too late I've been 'sexy legs' as long as you've no plans to wrap them round Darcy.

LOL! Are we on to a shirt war then? But I have to go for now, so next round will have to wait. (Mental note to self: Keep your back to the blue ropes.) Am having girls' night out tonight. Lunch with Mr.B tomorrow. Will email you. Consider him wrapped and ready to go.

O my God, how could I have not remembered he wears cravats, what's the matter with me ? Remember, pond scene, where he unbuttons waistcoat and snaps his cravat off, with a delicious flick of his wrist ? I wonder if CF practiced undressing after each days shoot, so he could undo his cravat with such ease, later on ? ( Reminds me of the great scene at Rosings where he gets up from the sofa, click and flick, remember ? ) Anyway, I can just se him undoing it a wee bit slower, as he drawwwwwwwwwws out the moment, and Lizzie, quivering with anticipation, wonders what on earth is he going to do with it ? Maybe he has just returned from a hard days in the saddle ( !!!!!!!) visiting with his tenants and he is all hot and sweaty, his shirt plastered damply to his chest ( gulp )

can't wait! have a great meal .I'm left with Mr D!!!!

Ok, now I'm really leaving! Bethanne, you've left me leaving all drooly. Judy, You got me this time!

He had to force his brain away from the tempting, tantalising vision in his head, of her mouth opening slowly for him, as he... Oops! have fallen off chair! OH Bethanne, this is marvelous! I love the way you all are taking this apart! this drool heaven here!

Here you go ladies, part 2 of Darcy dinning at Longbourn. I know I said I would post part 2 on Topic 130, but I'm putting it here as I need to be able to read back over Part 1, so I don't repeat myself. If I bounce back and forth between Topic 112 and 130, my piece of crap computer will log me off. So apologies for cluttering up Darcy Drool with my meanderings. I promise any further episodes, will go on Fanfic 130. MR DARCY DINES AT LONGBOURN. PART: 2 Mr Bennet stood back and let his guests preceed him into the hallway, as they filed slowly out of the dinning room. He was quite taken aback to recieve a blinding smile from Mr Darcy as he passed by. " Odd fellow " thought Mr Bennet. Darcy had not spoken much over dinner, in fact, he seemed rather distant and distracted throughout the entire meal. Mr Bennet remembered hearing Darcy spoken of as a proud, disagreeable sort, but Mr Bennet really couldn't see why. Mr Bennet respected people who didn't rattle on needlessly and, he liked the fact Darcy only seemed to speak, when he felt that he had something of interest something to say. He tried to remember something his wife had told him once, of Darcy insulting his beloved daughter Lizzie, at a dance in Meryton, but he couldn't quite remember what it was. Anyway, to judge by the flushed sparkle in Lizzie's eyes as she danced with Mr Darcy, the following week at Netherfield, she didn't appear to hold it against him. Mr Darcy took a deep breath and walked on into the Bennet's gracious hall way. The other gentlemen moved into Mr Bennet's study momemtarily, to look at some first editions folios, newly arrived from London. He, however, headed for the drawing room, drawn there irrestibly, as if by some invisible nagnet. He looked up as he walked and his heart stopped, as he saw Elizabeth sitting in the drawing room with a look of utter boredom on her face. Hill, the Bennet's housekeeper entered the room with a coffee urn and not seeing Mr Darcy, she closed the door partially behind her. Darcy, however could still see Lizzie and he couldn't help but wonder at all the impatient, furtive glances she cast at the doorframe. What was she looking for ? Could she be as eager to see him as he was to see her ? Did she feel that an absense of even 30 minutes was too long ? His heart pounded even faster, as he suddenly realised with a spurt of intense joy that she never had a bored look on her face when she was with him....ang y, impatient, amused, indignant, yes...but never bored ! His eyes swept hungrily over her face, loving the shadows cast by the firelight on her beautiful, smooth throat. He imagined himself tracing the same lines with his tongue, as she dug her nails into the bare skin of his back, leaving 10 perfectly formed, half-crescent moon shaped, scars on his naked back. He imagined her moans as he sucked a tiny, smooth, piece of skin into his mouth...proudly marking her as she marked him. Were the moans that rang out in the silence of the Bennet's hallway, her imagined ones or his real ones ? With a quick shake of his head, Darcy gathered his thoughts and moved to join the other gentlemen in the library. Before too long, they were done admiring Mr Bennet's prized folios and they proceeded on into the drawing room. Darcy's heart nearly stopped at the look of intense joy, that spread across Lizzie's face as he walked into the room. She quickly lowered his her head, but not before he saw a look that catapulted him back to that joyous evening at Pemberley 4 weeks before, when Lizzie seemed to enjoy, even invite his admiration as she played the piano. He moved over to where Lizzie sat as if in a daze. Did he imagine it or did she move her skirts just imperceptibly, to allow him room to sit down ? Just before he reached her, Maria Lucas leaned over to talk to Lizzie and to his intense annoyance showed no signs of moving away. Muttering a curse under his breath, he accepted a cup of coffee from Mrs Hill and moved away to stand at the opposite end of the room, where he could still watch his beloveds reflection in the window. He was tremendously heartened by the look of intense annoyance that flashed accros her face at Maria'a interferance. He leaned his hot forehead on the cool glass of the window and closed his eyes briefly. As his eyes were closed he missed the looks of intense longing on Lizzie's face as she looked at his ramrod straight back standing by the window. He had no idea how his tall, black clad torso was affecting her. Her fingers has itched all evening long, to reach beneath his beautiful silk waistcoat and undo the crisply starched cravat, to reveal the thin lawn shirt beneath. She had seen once, before what lay beneath his damp, shirt as it clung lovingly to his chest after an impromptu swim at Pemberley. The vision had tortured her these past 4 weeks and, she was racked with guilt for feeling things that she knew no well brought up young lady should feel. Earlier, over dinner she had gotten up to assist Mrs Hill, when the soup tureen proved to heavy for her. Her eyes were irrestibly drawn to Mr Darcy and as his head was turned toward her mother, he didn't see the blush overcome her features, as her eyes fell helplessly on the bulging muscles of his thighs within his fine fawn coloured breeches. Mr Darcy had ridden over to Longbourn and, he wore leather boots polished to such a shine she could almost see the hungry look on her ownface as she gazed at his long, muscular leather shod legs stretched out before him. With a tremendous effort of will she attended to Maria's converstion, but her eyes continued to eat him up and her ears strained to catch the few word that escaped his lips whenever sombody spoke to him. The deep, melodious voice drifted back to her too infrequently and, she just barely mananged to maintain her composure by listening instead, to one of Sir William's funny tales. Darcy was not having as much luck. He watched Lizzie smile at Sir William and was eaten alive with an intense jealousy that she wasn't smiling at him like that. T The lustrous, brown curls at the top of her head, danced as she laughed. He had to fight the urge to just walk over to her and, rip the tiny roses holding up her hair out, and let her gorgeous, shining locks tumble down about her shoulders. He would wrap her hair around his fingers with one hand and bury his face in its rich, apple-scented softness while using the other hand to rip the frint od her dress off, revealing whether or not

Stupid compuer...it just logged me off and posted this before I was finished. So, sorry for the confusion and here is where the above left off. O yeah, ignore the last paragraph. Darcy was not having as much luck. He watched Lizzie smile at Sir William and he was eaten alive with an intense jealousy that she wasn't smiling at him like that. The beautiful ruby cross that Elizabeth always wore around her neck sparkled in the fire light and his eyes were uncontrollably drawn to where it lay gently between her breasts. His eyes slipped even lower, to where her heart beat beneath the beautiful ivory silk of her dress. The smooth, creamy expanse of her chest made his throat go dry as he imagined himself licking his way down from the gold chain, to where its pendant lay....his tongue flicking out to enclose, lick and suckle the ripe mounds of flesh that Elizabeth lifed up to his mouth............. A sudden movement of Elizaeth's head brought him crashing back to reality, as he saw her beautiful, lustrous curls bounce and bob as she laughed at something Sir William said. He had to fight the urge to cross to the other end of the room, kicking over the chairs that got in his way, and pull her up out of her seat with one hand and, pull out the tiny roses that held her hair up, with the other. He had such a longing to bury his face in the long, apple-scented softness of her hair that his fingers itched. He would turn her face up to his and watch the excitement flare in her eyes, as he ripped her bodice open to find out for himself if her hear beat as rapidly as his did. "I can't take much more of this" he thought to himself " I am losing my mind over this woman ! " He stood for a few more moments and conversed with one of the Lucas boys, in an effort to compose his thoughts. Once he felt in control of himself he walked slowly over to Elizabeth, trying not to spill the by now, stone cold coffee in his cup. He stood in front of her with his coffee cup and saucer and tried to speak, but found that all his powers of converstion had deserted him. Lizzie's small hand closed around the saucer to put it back on the table, but Darcy found to his embarresment that he just couldn't let go of it. He clung on to it as a drowning man would to a lifejacket. He looked down and saw her tiny hand, dwarfed by his much larger one and was suddenly short of breath. Lizzie seemed similarly afflicted and he watched the rapid rise and fall of her chest with facination. Finally, she was the one to break the spell, that seemed to have wound its way around them. "Mr Darcy ?" she said in a tiny voice. She didn't sound at all like her normal,composed self. He let go of the cup and as she did so, his fingers brushed slightly against hers. He felt a bolt of lightening go up his arm at her touch and could soon feel the effects of it in single every part of his body. Lizzie started up a conversation and, enquired most kindly, after his sister, Georgina, who much to his delight, Lizzie had met and seemed to really take to, 4 weeks previously at Pemberley. However, Darcy found hmself in the mortifying physical predicament, of not being able to converse for very long. Upon seeing Maria Lucas lean over once more to talk to Lizzie, he bowed slightyly and once more walked away from her To his intense relief, Mrs Bennet soon invited the assembled party to partake of a Whist drive and he was further parted from the temptation that Elizabeth Bennet represented, for the remainder of the evening. Phew.......thats it ladies. Jeez, I hate that its so long. I wanted to edit a lot of it out and correct all of my spelling mistakes, but my computer posted the first two thirds before I was done, so I had no choice but to follow it to its conclusion. God, I'm pooped !! No more FanFic for me for a while !!