Colin Firth (Part 8)

I get to christen this one. Arami asked if any of us would really ask Paul to spend the night after knowing him such a short time. My answer is heck no, I'm much too timid which could be one of the reasons why I don't have a pair of Arsenal boxers in my bed. Agree with Gi, it's fun to be daring sometimes or better yet, unpredictable. Fun to watch the shot of Paul digesting Sarah's offer. Shoot, now you're getting me onto that shoulder grind again. What's a girl to do?

Generally what the girls (women) here do is drool...or slobber, depending on how much you're into it on any particular day. I'm going to change my bib now.

Karen, your BJD pages are damned sexy. Tripod? Hmmmm. Arami, I am the soul of discretion, as evidenced by all my reserved messages. Infact I would have answered your impertinent question with regard to one's temporary-habitation practices and policies, and, well, the little difficulty regarding stay-overs --- if you follow my discreet euphemisms --- but that would be forward and rather bold , so I shall refrain. My alter-ego who is now typing this wants EVERYONE to know that Sadie's answer to Arami's Paul-question totally depends on the day: i.e. the level of wild reckless fantasies of freedom (early mid-life crisis moments) and the astonishing reality of the steady hormonal climb to 35. Oh ya, and that morality thing, which assumes all parties involved are unattached eleswhere. Damn, but there it is.... But not Paul; he's not my type. Hey Heide, grind away. There. Discreet.

Hey, a review of Relative Values in The Hollywood Reporter from July 12. No mention of Colin. I suppose since he's relatively unknown here, playing "against type" is not considered newsworthy. Similarly, no mention of Sophie Thompson. Relative Values By Mark Adams LONDON -- Despite old-fashioned charm and a batch of fine central performances, this adaptation of Noel Coward's 1950s play doesn't quite hit the mark. It is, of course, intriguing to see Julie Andrews back on the big screen, but there is little to indicate she will make a major impact at the boxoffice. The film opened in the United Kingdom to a lukewarm critical response, and it seems destined for a quick exit from the West End. "Relative Values" will probably live a stronger life on video and television. The project marks the sophomore film for director Eric Styles, whose debut effort, "Dreaming of Joseph Lees," was well-received. His first film was shot on the Isle of Man -- a small island in the Irish Sea between the United Kingdom and Ireland that offers attractive tax breaks -- and here he returns to an impressive 11th century mansion on the island to help re-create postwar Britain. The story is a series of comic complications set against the backdrop of a country addressing the contradictions of class values in the social turmoil after World War II. The story starts in the South of France in 1954, where Nigel, the Earl of Marshwood (Edward Atterton), is busy romancing beautiful Hollywood star Miranda Frayle (Jeanne Tripplehorn), unaware that the announcement of their betrothal causes concern to his mother, Felicity, the Countess of Marshwood (Julie Andrews), and Don Lucas (William Baldwin), a Hollywood star and Miranda's former lover. Back at the family's stately British home, it is revealed that Felicity's maid Moxie (Sophie Thompson) is actually the long-lost sister of Miranda, who left the family 20 years earlier to seek fame in Tinseltown. The family -- with the aid of butler Crestwell (the excellent Stephen Fry) -- sets about concocting a story whereby they can change Moxie's image. But Moxie is distraught when her sister fails to recognize her, and tells terrible lies about her childhood. Throw into the pot the arrival of a drunken Don Lucas, which allows the film to resolve the various relationships and leave poor old Nigel to wonder what on earth he is going to do. How could he possibly marry his mother's maid's sister? As chaos ensues, the postwar class system is revealed. Julie Andrews is impressive as the upper-class mother trying to prevent her rather dim son from making a marital mistake. But there is a lingering feeling that she has so much more to offer if only the right movie role would come along. Tripplehorn and Baldwin are in good form as the awful movie stars, while best of all is Fry as the urbane butler (elegantly reprising the Jeeves character he played on British television). There is much to enjoy in "Relative Values" -- we are talking about a film based on a play by the wonderful Noel Coward, after all -- but there is just not enough quality in all departments to give the film the gloss it properly deserves.

(Sadie)Tripod?Hmmmm.Hands of my tripod,I need it to practise my moves on. (Cheryl)I'm going to change my bib now.Can I borrow one?All this grinding is getting to me. BTW Sadie whats wrong with Paul?

Thanks for the enhanced BJD photo, Karen. Looks as though there's quite a fight going on there! Who wins? CF isn't in a promsing position! I wonder if they'll publish the screenplay before the movie comes out. I remember the "Notting Hill" screenplay (glossy paperback, lots of photos) was in bookshops in the UK two or three weeks before the movie opened. The screenplay for 4 Weddings was also published, so I'm sure it will be three in a row. I found a snippet on "Maid of Buttermere", searching on Google.com. From Newsweek International May 8 2000, Culture Section, article on Post-Franco Reality "The director Carlos Saura whose "Tango" was nominated for an Academy Award, begins work this year on "The Maid of Buttermere" in Britain." First time I've seen a mention of "this year". It will have to be soon, if they want to make the most of the beautiful Lakeland scenery. For anyone who's interested, apparently the video of MLSF isn't listed for release this year...expect beginning of next year earliest.

(Bethan) I remember the "Notting Hill" screenplay (glossy paperback, lots of photos) Funny you mention this, as Ev and I were talking about this a couple of nights ago. The NH screenplay was fantastic, loads of pics and in color with the glossy paper, whereas those cheapskates at Miramax put out a pathetic screenplay for the Oscar-winning best picture of the year. I do hope the Universal/Working Title people are in charge on this one.

I know I've got it fixed in my mind that he's going to do Maid Of Buttermere & Armadillo(the power of positive thinking and all that)but when can we expect confirmation(or disappointment)and hasn't he yet to fit in his usual sojourn to Italy?

(bethan) For anyone who's interested, apparently the video of MLSF isn't listed for release this year...expect beginning of next year earliest. I believe they just released one of the earlier versions onto video? They enjoy making us wait and suffer! (Judy) BTW Sadie whats wrong with Paul? He's a sports-nut, he need's a haircut, and he's not Mr. Darcy. (Well he is, but he's not.)

(Sadie)He's a sports-nut,he needs a haircut.. he sounds fine to me I've made no secret of my interest in sports! and those curls(on his head)were just made for holding onto...

From yesterday's BB Column in The Daily Mail:_ "Secret of Slaying 'em. Mike Binder has a philosophy about budget's for funny movies. "Money kills comedy", he insists as we chat on the set of his latest film, The search For John Gissing, a comedy with a budget a fraction of the �50million spent on some of the turkeys he's referring to. "All the great comedy films have been made fast, cheap and furiopus. Any time Steve Martin and Eddie murphy or whoever team up in some 80million dollar comedy they're always bad". He cites the likes of Animal House, FWand AF, The Full Monty and Something About Mary as small budget films that succeeded because someone had a vision. Binder himself made Blank Man a few years ago for tons of money - and it flopped. Now he and his brother Jack have formed Sunlight Productions and are working on the second of five planned Britsh-American comedy fusion movies. The Search for John Gissing stars Alan Richman, Janeane Garofalo, Allan Cordumer, Juliet Stevenson and newcomer Sonya Walger and Binder himself as an American executive who is transfered with his wife (Garofalo) to Lodndon. Things go wrong the minute they get off the plane. Later in the year audiences should be able to see what Binder means when his film LONDINIUM in which he stars with Marie Hemingway, COLIN FIFRTH and Jack Dee, comes out. It's comedy fusion in the form of a beautiful love letter to London." (MY CAPS)

sorry about the typo's, its too early.

(Sadie) He's a sports-nut, he need's a haircut, and he's not Mr. Darcy. (Well he is, but he's not.) He does however look v sexy in his Arsenal shirt and leather jacket (even if his hair does appear to change colour, length and curliness with alarming regularity)- is v. confusing. On that confused note, must apologise for huge gaff for my last 129 post "knickerless-kilt" reference (drool-invoking though it was), which is of course LB not MD. Have clearly been reading far too much CF related literature and it is all merging together, either that or my brain cannot cope with this unexpected heatwave we're experiencing.

Tracy not to worry about huge gaff,once you mentioned knickerless kilt I was was too far gone to notice any mistake and I know what you mean about everything merging together.We don't need a heatwave its hot enough on drool as it is. Ann I'm glad to hear Londinium being talked about at last and that its due for release later this year.I've not checked out its website for a while so I'll do thatnow. Just how low was its budget?don't want it looking cheap & nasty.

Thanks, Ann, for the news. Am sitting here laughing at the more obvious omission of MB's previous low budget film, which can be seen on video if you feel like throwing money down the drain.

Mike Binder has a philosophy about budget's for funny movies. "Money kills comedy", he insists ...Later in the year audiences should be able to see what Binder means Considering the eagerness of Brit critics to disparage most any recent movie, I'm sure they will gleefully attempt to prove Mike wrong. Good find, Ann, and exciting to think Londinium will see the light of day soon. Now girls, you're getting me started on Paul again. That man-child, totally inappropriate husband material, obsessed, self-absorbed, with only fleeting glimpses of maturity. But I can't help loving 'dat man. He's just the cutest character our DB's played. Joe Prince comes close but Neil Truelove doesn't count 'cause he's too young. Think noting each of our favorite characters would make for fascinating analysis of our own.

I love him as Paul too,I loved it when he hugged her when viewing the house-that should have been me.

(Heide) ...Neil Truelove doesn't count 'cause he's too young. But that makes him perfect, in a way. He really isn't too set in his bad habits, so you could raise him from a callow youth, as it were. Still, my favorite of his charaters is Richard Courtois. He's well educated and has a social consience; besides you never know when you'll have need of a lawyer.

I loved that "hug" as well Judy, one of my favourite FP scenes.

Hi to all at 134: Thanks for the picture, Karen. Finally can see what those two or three or whatever are up to. I only hope he can fight better as Mark Darcy than he runs as Stephen W!!! KJ has shared some Colin art work with the world (or at least the Firth part of it). I have a new one today, very lovely. http://www.geocities.com/firthfan/art/artwork.html

Congrats KJ...you really caught Mr. Darcy's smolders.My fave. Thanks Murph.

Oh wow KJ your C art work is fantastic.I love your 'Brooding Darcy'it's so life-like but that 'Overlit Darcy' is really something,it really captures him. I don't think its possible to have a fave as Colin manages to look diferent in everything he does and your art work captures that.I look forward to seeing more of your work! Thanks Murph for showing them.

Talking about Londonium reminds me, I have a (v. small) Mike Binder connection. Does that mean it's a COLIN connection Mike's father is a contractor/developer and built my mother's condo. Very nice man, who was happy to know that I knew that he was the "middle brother" in "Coupe de Ville" (the one who was carsick). Long story about how I knew that. Oh, and my boss' (at the time) house was used in the movie. Reaching, but worth a chuckle.

Meredith, is your mother in need of a new condo? Wouldn't hurt to make that "connection" again, even if it's just to find out about the Toronto Film Festival. ;-) KJ does fabulous work. Can you imagine having nothing but framed originals hanging on your walls? KJ, I see commissions here.;-) (Cheryl) Richard Courtois. He's well educated and has a social consience; besides you never know when you'll have need of a lawyer. True, a lawyer is a very handy thing to have in the family. Does he fall under your definition of "cute" though? As you say, Richard is smart, dependable and intrepid - a "go-to" guy. Definitely good husband material. ;-) Cute to me is kind of boyish, not too convincing or powerful. As far as looks, Richard is very cute indeed even with the rubber hair.

(Murph) I only hope he can fight better as Mark Darcy than he runs as Stephen W!!! Didn't want to spoil the movie, but in the next frame, Mark grabs hold of the Dirty Daniel's incoming knee, jerks it up and Daniel goes flying in air, only to land in huge puddle on street. ;-) KJ: Great that you now have a larger audience for your works. I too have liked overlit Darcy. Are you considering doing renditions from each of his films? (Heide) Richard is smart, dependable and intrepid - a "go-to" guy. Let us not forget "chivalrous," one of his most appealing qualities IMO (and he snorts cutely in the courthouse). ;-)

KJ: Your works are fantastic. Esp Overlit Darcy. More, more! (Heide) As far as looks, Richard is very cute indeed Agree especially in one of the last scenes with Samira..he looks at her with those beautiful brown eyes as she says goodbye, and is so sad that you just want to hug him 'til the hurt goes away. I would have to put RC in HotP as one of my absolute faves. OK now here's something that nobody will be interested in (with apologies to BBCs Desert Island Discs) - if you were stranded on a deserted island with a VCR and your choice of five tapes and a book ( you can have P&P as a freebie) what would you choose?

ooh play time.If P&P is a freebie as both book & tape (gives you time to re-read it again eh Tracy)then my choices would be Lord of the Rings for book Tapes:- 1 Fever Pitch 2 Femme Fatale 3 Hour Of Pig 4 Valmont 5 Another Country 5

Durr! I didn't give mine did I? OK taking P&P as read (or not in my case) Tapes would be (and I didn't specify that they HAD to be CF BTW): 1 Hour of the Pig 2 Fever Pitch 3 Valmont 4 A Month in the Country 5(Sorry leaping out of CF drool mode for a millisecond) Eddie Izzard - Definite Article ..for the ROOTLMAO (Rolling out of tree etc.) factor. Book - 1001 things to do with coconuts or if that's not available Homer's The Odyssey (it's a good long read and if I get desperate I can use it as a very hard pillow):-D

(Tracy)leaping out of CF drool-you're living dangerously tonight.Please don't confess to fancying Eddie Izzard that I could not forgive.

Yup, I'm living on the edge tonight! on EI - I just love his humour - I prefer men who don't wear skirts (kilts excepting)!

Tracy have you not realised that 'kilt' is my trigger word *swoon*drool*pass out* Picking myself up off the floor my hubby's just mentioned that TEP is on Filmfour and wants to know why CF isn't in the credits I've told him its the 'invisible Colin Firth Syndrome'

Sorry Judy I was forgetting your fondness for Caledonian attire (or what lies beneath), I'll leave you to TEP, I'm signing off for tonight and will get down to some serious P&P reading . Glass of wine? - check Comfy pillows? - check SORTED!! Night!

Goodnight Tracy its been fun enjoy the book & wine etc.

Like your question, Tracy. Have you come across this on old drool, Judy? Can't remember. Anyway, my choices are the same as yours, Tracy, but my fifth one has me undecided. I might actually take Donovan Quick with me though it might leave me feeling rather sad. Not a good thing on a deserted isle. Book would be "A Confederacy of Dunces" by John Kennedy Toole. Hilarious.

Hmmm, have to give your question some thought, Tracy. vids and a book. Oh! the pain of it. In the meantime, have another *Mystery* photograph. Am thinking it might have been at the MLSF premiere as someone mentioned Livia's hair was short there. Colin certainly has adopted the Regis look! ;-) http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/photo2.html

Thanks Karen. Looks like a cinema/theatre lobby alright. Short hair/long hair.... Like I said before...Livia gets more beautiful every year. Such an adoring look...Lucky guy...

Scores of ladies will disagree with me, but I'm a bit unsure about his habit of invariably grabbing every woman by the neck when posing for a photo... ;-) This is perhaps something he considers a friendly-chummy gesture, but it really looks more like a blatant display of primeval male possessiveness... Mind you, with a male like that by your side, any possessiveness can easily be forgiven... ;-)

I didn't mind...one bit (as she flips through her lobby photos smiling like a fool...) ;-)

Hmmmmmmm which movies to take 1 Valmont 2 My Life So Far 3 Fever Pitch I love the scene where he sets the napkin on fire and says "Its a onetime thing. 4 TEP 5 Shakespeare In Love Book I Heard The Owl Call My Name

If I look at the curls on his forehead I would say the pic was taken between MLSF and some time before SLOW (when the curls were longer). Movies on the island: 1. Fever Pitch 2. Master of the Moor 3. A Month in the Country 4. Shakespeare in Love 5. The Fabulous Baker Boys Book: "Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About HTML/Photoshop/Netscape/Win98/Linux But Never Had Time Enough To Find Out Because You Have To Obsess About Colin Firth". Oh, and perhaps a book on English grammar, yes? ;-)

My CF Movies on the Island: 1.Shakespeare in Love - for the rhythm 2.The English Patient - for the pain 3.Valmont - for the glamour 4.Wings of Fame - for the atmosphere 5.Hostages - for showing there are worse situations than being stranded on a deserted island But there's a number I ain't seen, remember? And the book - Lawrence Durrell's Alexandrian Quartet. It's sitting on my night table right now waiting for me to finish the one I'm reading at present (Umberto Eco's The Island of the Day Before)

(Heide)Have you come across this on old drool?can't say I have but it's early days yet,there's so much stuff. (Arami)Mind you,with a male like that by your side,any possessiveness can easily be forgiven-what is it about this man that makes us regress to the little woman?If he put his arm round me like that it would be yes Colin,no Colin,anything you want Colin! (Gi)But there's a number I ain't seen, remember? Join the club.

(Murph) I only hope he can fight better as Mark Darcy than he runs as Stephen W!!! (Karen) Didn't want to spoil the movie, but in the next frame, Mark grabs hold of the Dirty Daniel's incoming knee, jerks it up and Daniel goes flying in air, only to land in huge puddle on street. ;-) They're not fighting at all, actually. They're playing Twister. Colin's going for 'left foot yellow'. (Heide) As far as looks, Richard is very cute indeed even with the rubber hair. LOL! He's even cute with the upside down measuring cup he wears on his head. OK, here's my 5 (great question, Tracy): 1. Fever Pitch--for Paul, same reasons as Heide (and that's my favorite scene too, Lucie) 2. Valmont--he's never done anything like it since 3. MLSF--I love his Edward. Spot on. 4. HotPig--just to hear that rooster crow ;-P 5. SiL--for his singing (heehee) Book? Who needs a book? ;-P Here's a list of the videos I'd feed to the sharks: 1. Camille 2. Nostromo 3. SLOW I think you're right about the pic being from the MLSF premiere, Karen. Don't think OFP (our fashion plate) would have adopted the monochromatic look before this year, Renate.

about the pic being from the MLSF premiere The best way to tell is to find another pic from the same occasion and see if Livia's outfit is matching. Re: Movies on the island: Hm.... all of the above mentioned I must possess and to all this I must yet add something more substantial, for the purpose of the improvement of my mind by extensive watching... Or rather wanton entertainment, I should say. Playmaker, perhaps? ;-)

(Heide) Does he fall under your definition of "cute" though? As you say, Richard is smart, dependable and intrepid - a "go-to" guy. Definitely good husband material. ;-) Cute to me is kind of boyish, not too convincing or powerful. As far as looks, Richard is very cute indeed even with the rubber hair. (Karen) Let us not forget "chivalrous," one of his most appealing qualities IMO (and he snorts cutely in the courthouse). ;-) (Tracy) Agree especially in one of the last scenes with Samira..he looks at her with those beautiful brown eyes as she says goodbye, and is so sad that you just want to hug him 'til the hurt goes away. I would have to put RC in HotP as one of my absolute faves. I did forget to mention chivalrous, and that is quality Richard Courtois most decidedly has. As for being cute in a rather boyish way. He does have that, most apparently with women. Richard is slightly overwhelmed by them. He certainly likes them, but he has a charming akwardness when he interacts with them. He is also very cute when he awakens in the carriage after his dream, insisting that he doesn't dream, he was perhaps snoring. He also has a boyish idealism, coupled with a more mature integrity and moral courage. In some ways he's like a very precocious and clever little boy, he has the very straight assertiveness of an intelligent and outspoken child. Richard, however, has to have the quality of being very convincing. He is, afterall, an attorney. Heide, funny you should mention the "rubber wig". It begs comparison to the "Lee press-on sideburns". Has anyone ever noted bad hairpieces/extensions that CF as worn in his career? Just wondering.

KJ, your work is lovely. Oh my, I believe it is obvious to my hormones once again who my fave Firth character is. Smolder, smolder. Thanks Murph. Well, o.k. you guys, Paul is cute. But if CF hadn't played him, he wouldn't be my type! Richard has definite appeal, Valmont is naughty and dangerous (but dead by the end, which is more tricky to fantasize about than a simple imaginary man) Oh, sorry, you were asking about which 5 films. (DOES ANYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE HEADING FOR 35 (turned 30 this year!!) AND ALL THAT THAT IMPLIES HORMONALLY!!!!)

O.k. so I've got P&P the novel, and P&P2 the movie; 1. Valmont 2. A Month in the Country 3. Hour of the Pig/The Advocate 4. Bridget Jones Diary (Cause I ain't goin' anywhere until I've seen it! And I'm sure it will be good, so I'll want the video.) 5. Either Jules and Jim, or Shoot the Piano Player by Truffault, or The Glen Miller Story, with Jimmy Stewart. Other reading: Either the War Poets, or T.S.Eliot's Collected Works, or Martin Buber's I and Thou . Something rich enough that I would't mind reading it over and over and over again.

I meant "wouldn't". Speaking of drooling, I have a question involving a certain someone. Did anyone ever see the Tara Fitzgerald version of Frenchman's Creek --- I believe it aired on TV last year. Take a look at one of the men in the pub scene. Later, he bows with a flourish in front of her carriage. Who is the actor playing this role? He reminds me of CF. Could it be a cameo?

Hello ladies! Writing from Bellagio on Lake Como. It has been quite a trek to get here, Karen(if you know what I mean). ;-) Having a maaarvelous time as Vanessa Redgrave would say. Speaking of movies, Playmaker was on TV in Italian, of course, what a double torture. Arami might be the only one to appreciate it. :-) I am rushing as usual and have no time to check my mail. Arrivederci!

Great to hear from you Moon... (Moon), Playmaker was on TV in Italian, of course, what a double torture. Of all the good films they coulda' picked of his. ODB hates it. How mortifying. The channel musta' gotten it as a freebie.

MOON!!!! Great to hear from you! The Bellagio must be wonderful this time of year... run into any celebrities so far? ;-) Playmaker... in Italy? I suppose it's possible. (I saw Apartment Zero in Borneo)

Playmaker was on TV in Italian... Arami might be the only one to appreciate it. :-) Impossibile, cara, non parlo l'italiano. :-) But I'm sure that a number of other people around here do take, erm, a secret pleasure from Playmaker... or at least from, erm, certain select parts... erm, I mean, scenes... ;-)

(Arami) But I'm sure that a number of other people around here do take, erm, a secret pleasure from Playmaker... Not me (my pleasure in PM is not a secret;-) Mari Running with scissors . . .

(Mari) Not me (my pleasure in PM is not a secret;-) Nor is mine. ;-) Signed, President of the Ross Talbert Fan Club and Pearl Twirler Society

Ladies, thanks for all your Desert Sialnd replies, it seems we are pretty much of one mind - though I'm surprise (;-o) that Playmaker didn't feature more for it's ...er...'artistic' qualities! (Karen)I didn't mind...one bit (as she flips through her lobby photos smiling like a fool...) ;-) Ah *sigh* ditto... but I thought that 'neck touch' was just reserved for ME, *tut* seems as if every Tom, Dick or Livia is in on the act now!;-))

Please accept apologies for typos , it's been a very long day!

Sorry this is late. 1. Another Country 2. Donovan Quick 3. Fever Pitch 4. MLSF 5. SLOW And after much deliberation, I've decided to take The Making of P&P2 as my book. Just in case the VCR packs it in, then I will still be able to look at ODB. Renate "The Fabulous Baker Boys" I remember the first time I rented this movie. It was on overnight release and I watched it five times, I then borrowed it the following weekend and watched it about another three. I now have my own "illegal" copy and do not need to be so obsessive. Jeff Bridges is definitely on my list of "Other Favourite Actors". Sorry for the off topic. Cathey

(Arami) But I'm sure that a number of other people around here do take, erm, a secret pleasure from Playmaker. Obviously not me either.....though we did have a good time discussing it... ~~~~~~ Been thinking about my list: 1. Nostromo- Because I would have a long time to sort out the characters and the plot(?). 2. Lost Empires- See above 3. The Widowing of Mrs. Holroyd- cause I'd have a long time to decipher the accent. 4. Donovan Quick -See above 5. Tumbledown- cause it's the best thing he's ever done. IMO. ~~~~~~~~~ And I won't tell you what I'd feed the sharks cause you'd lynch me;-) Book: agree with Cathey Making of P&P.

Oh, yes, Tumbledown - goes without saying. (Tracy)but I thought that 'neck touch' was just reserved for ME, *tut* seems as if every Tom, Dick or Livia is in on the act now!;-)) I don't think I know any Tom in Colin's life but I believe we have come to tolerate Livia. As for "the neck touch" being applied to "Dick" in what allegedly constitutes "the act"... all that may require a further serious investigation...

Sorry I've been away from the boards for so long. really appreciate the appreciation. I would LIKE to do one or more for each role except 1) Sorry, he still intimidates me. Getting a likeness is a very iffy thing. and 2) Lately other activities have left me with enough time or energy to do it. ( ... Now if I were being PAID this enormous sum of $$$$ for it, surprising how quickly I could drop everything else and dedicate my soul to the project ;-D) 1. A Month in the country 2. Fever Pitch 3. HotPig 4. Valmont 5. Shakespeare in Love. Book: "Watership Down".

(Cathey)And after much deliberation, I've decided to take The Making of P&P2 as my book. Just in case the VCR packs it in, then I will still be able to look at ODB. Smart thinking Cathey! A picture is worth a lot of poetry. So, for my #4, I'm torn between Tumbledown (for the acting) and Playmaker (for obvious reasons). Cannot decide! (Arami)I don't think I know any Tom in Colin's life but I believe we have come to tolerate Livia. As for "the neck touch" being applied to "Dick" in what allegedly constitutes "the act"... all that may require a further serious investigation... *sudden snort* LOL! I do believe some film footage would assist any assessment process!

August 12th will be the two year anniversary of colinfirth.com and August 16th will be the 2nd year anniversary of firth.com, if anyone's looking for an excuse for a party/celebration.

(TracyT, Arami and SadieR) neck touch All this talk of neck touches has got me all in a quiver. What's with these British hunks and the hands on the neck? No more turtle necks for me. It's nothing but open collars and scoop necks. Must cut the hair too. So, is that what I've been doing wrong all these years? Covering my neck? Now if anyone finds a pic of Jeremy Northam with his hand on a neck too, I may just faint and never recover. Suffering from neck envy...

Oh Donna, photo is soooo touching. Am considering moving to England. My hair already exposes my nape! Do you think that if I showed up and said "Go to it man" to the first good-looking Brit, that he would instinctively understand?

Karen, you are so funny and quick with the pics! What a lovely shot.

Thanks, I did want the one where they first [ahem] tryst [ahem] and he goes straight for the neck, but can't find that one... Was planning on posting my Desert Island vids/book list, which included this image: but thought Judy might go over the edge... ;-) However, I have selected Finnegans Wake as the book I'd take for reasons both Donna and Evelyn would appreciate. ;-)

These look suspiciously like shorts I've seen before!

...and the skinny legs! ;-)

'Neck touch' now I know why I've just had my hair cut short for the very first time it must have been a premonition.I can just feel those lovely hands,those lovely long fingers stroking, caressing oops sorry thats not my neck. Sadie if you do come to England please be careful youmight scare the natives if they're anything like me- shy & prudish *shriek*I'm going out tomorrow to buy you a scarf as a welcoming gift it will also double as a method of strangulation if you get near my Colin Karen over the edge & down their front-what a handful!When he hitched those shorts up my heart sank I wanted to know whether he had another set ofdimples.

Scare you Judy? But I'm so tame and proper next to you! And on that note, may I suggest The Hour of the Pig again, if you want to settle the dimple question.

You may suggest THOTP anytime but whenever I watchthat scene I always try and look between his legs instead so miss the dimples.

As regards taking Playmaker along to the island: heck, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. Signed, Vice President in charge of Nessie-Hunting and Rock Climbing ;-D ;-D ;-D

(Judy) if they're anything like me- shy & prudish Shy and prudish? Must add these to my list of words with different meanings on your side of the Atlantic. ;-) (Eileen) Vice President in charge of Nessie-Hunting and Rock Climbing How close are you to getting the Nessie-Sighting badge of honor? (so we can show you the secret handshake) hee hee

(Karen) How close are you to getting the Nessie-Sighting badge of honor? I'd be a heckuva lot closer if Playmaker was released on DVD (hee hee--I should live so long). Then again, it was shown on Italian TV...ya never know... There's this annoying broad in the shots who keeps getting in the way. Hmmm, perhaps more research is in order. Off to count glass blocks!

Sadie -Do you think that if I showed up and said "Go to it man" to the first good-looking Brit, that he would instinctively understand? Sad to disappoint, and this is a sweeping generalisation from my limited experience, but they're more likely to take it as an invitation to scarper 'down the pub' or put their feet up in front of the 'footie' ;-( -may I suggest The Hour of the Pig again, if you want to settle the dimple question. *sigh* Eileen - Off to count glass blocks! Hmmm, is there any danger of your copy being worn out after all this activity??

Sheesh, been away for 2 days and when I come back all this talk about necks and nessies, fan clubs and godknowswhatelse. I don't know when the last time was I laughed so hard reading this topic. Thanks, girls. By the way, Relative Values is being shown on British Air flights to the US right now. Hope they didn't cut out "the fleet's in town" line. ;-)

(Heide)By the way, Relative Values is being shown on British Air flights to the US right now. Hope they didn't cut out "the fleet's in town" line. ;-) ... While I'm still checking the theatre listings for Lisbon every week...

(Tracy)they're more likely to take it as an invitation to scarper 'down the pub' or put their feet up in front of the 'footie' LOL! Ya gotta tell me what this means so I can decide if I think it will be enjoyable or not! I can decode "scarper 'down the pub'". Unless you really mean go to the pub? in which case, I see your point. But, "put their feet up in front of the 'footie'", even being the gutterlist I am, I'm blank on this one. (Eileen) Vice President in charge of Nessie-Hunting and Rock Climbing...Off to count glass blocks! (Karen) How close are you to getting the Nessie-Sighting badge of honor? (so we can show you the secret handshake) Oh my, I understood that! I must say, I am deeply shocked. What has come over you ladies? How can you be so crude, rude, and downright cheeky? OO There I was, reading a virginal fan-fic at that other site and then one little virtual surf and I'm in the land of Nessie Hunters. Are they short or long-haired creatures? (Nessies, not Hunters!) 'Cause I might have sighted one and just not known it. -D

This item of news has already been spotted, so apologies if I'm poaching. But there was a mention in one of the papers today of a new book by Nick Hornby, to be published by Penguin in November..."Speaking with the angels". If you check this out at http://www.amazon.co.uk you'll see that NH is the editor of ten short stories. Click to get a bigger picture of the book cover, and you'll see that Colin Firth is listed as one of the writers (along with NH, HF, Robert Harris, Rodddy Doyle, Patrick Marber, Irwin Welch etc). There's also to be an audio tape. My guess from the title is that this may be to raise money for reasearch into autism (NH's son is autistic).

No apologies necessary. Here's a link to find the audio tape. It's not yet released (NOVEMBER), but Colin's name does appears on the cover. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0141802529/qid=964686938/sr=1-2/026-9990856-0740457

More info, here's the link to the book. The book and audio cassette are scheduled to be released in November. It is not clear who the reader will be on the audio cassette. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140296786/qid=964700698/sr=1-1/026-9990856-0740457

Oweee!!! This ought to be interesting - a short story by Colin and by HF as well. Wouldn't it be fabulous if each of the authors read their own work? Better yet, if Colin were the reader for the whole tape. Then, I do so love picture books! ;-) Thanks, Bethan and Donna, for the news.

Oh now thats something different & something to look forward to.I can't wait to see his style.Although I do seem to be wishing my life away waiting for these things.More great sleuthing from the drool girls well done!

Well, well, writing, a new frontier for ODB. I must say this will be released on a mighty fine day in November and would make a fine birthday present for a loyal Firthfan *ahem* ;-D Here's hoping he's the reader on the audiotape. Goody, something else to look forward to this year. Thanks, Bethan and Donna, for the news. Ditto!

(EileenG)Well, well, writing, a new frontier for ODB. I'm going to have to read this one!Who knows what great things shall ensue?:-) Bethan and Donna, well done! :-)

Thanks for the thanks. Meluchie had gotten an inquiry from someone, which set the sleuthing minds to work. :-)

(Sadie) -LOL! Ya gotta tell me what this means so I can decide if I think it will be enjoyable or not! Unfortunately probably NOT. Sorry for launching into lad-speak, that's what comes of hailing from a family with 3 brothers and working in a male-dominated office: 'scarper' - (OED, (sl) go, make off.) Disappear into the night.... in the general direction of the local hostelry. 'put his feet up' i.e. Collapse into the nearest armchair with can of lager in hand, feet ususally placed (on that well known footstool - )your newly polished coffee table ... 'in front of the footie' - glued to TV tuned in to football match (e.g.'Arsenal' vs 'Liverpool' with 'Peter Shilton and Gary Lineker....now he's famous for being good isn't he?')unable to move to answer phone/door in case he misses a goal being scored! Bitter me? Nah! Now I'm not exactly sure what you had in mind (perhaps it was the 'footie' that sent your imagination racing) but I bet it was a deal more enjoyable than that ;-)

(Tracy)now he's famous for being good isn't he? v.v. clever:-) maybe I should say Tracy... now she's famous for being good isn't she? :-) While I'm here & its quiet I want to tell you about a couple of things I want to do to CF (apart from the obvious Sadie) 1 stroke his eyebrows 2 lick his dimples- I'm not fussy which pair

I guess most of the participants of this discussion here will concur as to stroking and licking, but the respective receiving parts might vary somewhat.

Thanks, Bethan and Donna, for the writing news. Very exciting to me. We know he has written - I think he was doing a play a few years ago, but this may be his first published effort. Karen, your picture above is supposed to be of what? On my computer it is just a tan box that says, "please don't link to images on my website. Thanks, Dolores" Hmmmmmm. Murph

ODB has published a short story?? How wonderful! Hmmm..... maybe I can convince him to collaborate with me on one.... ;-) *sigh* i'm having chills just thinking about him making a recording of Darcy fanfic (Judy) I want to tell you about a couple of things I want to do to CF (apart from the obvious Sadie) 1 stroke his eyebrows 2 lick his dimples- I'm not fussy which pair LOL! sounds like fun! can I go second? ;-) (and i really wanna play with that curl on his forhead, too...)

See what I mean?

Just the sight of the mole on his neck gives me the shivers, imagine if I could kiss it (sigh).

(Eileen) Well, well, writing, a new frontier for ODB. Jasper Rees: "I first met Colin Firth 10 or 11 years ago when he wrote a piece for a magazine about filming A Month in the Country. The article was as detailed and sensitive as his performance, but in his eagerness he had written way too much and volunteered to come into the office to help cut it back." (From the Sunday Independent Jan 19 1997, A Man of Many Parts) There's a challenge for the Drool researchers; Find That Article! :-)

Interesting tidbit..."Speaking with the Angel" is also the title of a CD by Mary Black. Apparently, that song was "written by Ron Sexsmith for his infant son. Part plea, part prayer, part admonition, the song depicts the innocence of a baby, one yet to be molded by the good and bad of the outside world. Black sings: "...He don't know how to lie Or undermine you He don't know how to steal How to deal or deceive So leave him alone, set him free Cause he's speaking with the angel That only he can see... He in the name of love He in the blood of the lamb He that never lays blame He don't even know his name Leave him alone, let him be Cause he's speaking with angel Speaking with the angel The very one that spoke to you and me Oh, do you remember?" From another reviewer: Canadian singer/songwriter Ron Sexsmith wrote the title track, Speaking With The Angel, dealing with the special wisdom of the young who is "speaking with the angel that only he can see." I'd say your assessment if right on, Bethan. Click here if you want to hear a bit of the song: http://www.websterrecords.com/albums_mary/sounds/curb77958_9.ram

Full lyrics: Speaking with the Angel He don't know how to lie Or undermine you He don't know how to steal How to deal or deceive So leave him alone, set him free Cause he's speaking with the angel That only he can see You say he's so helpless Well what about you You don't pull the strings You don't know anything Just leave him alone, let him be Cause he's speaking with the angel That only he can see Would you teach him about heaven Would you show him how to love the earth Would you poison him with prejudice From the moment of his birth He in the name of love He in the blood of the lamb He that never lays blame He don't even know his name Just leave him alone, let him be Cause he's speaking with the angel Speaking with the angel The very one that spoke to you and me Oh do you remember? �Ron Sexsmith, Published by MCA Music Limited. No copyright infringment is intended.

LOL Tracy! Thanks for explaining the lingo. So basically, it's safe to assume that Daniel Cleaver really is as typical a boyfriend-type on that side of the Atlantic, as here. CF a published writer? How exciting! Thanks Bethan and Donna. And actually, Murph, I didn't know that he'd ever written anything before. Can't wait to read these short stories. (Esbee) *sigh* i'm having chills just thinking about him making a recording of Darcy fanfic Happy thoughts indeed! (KJArt)There's a challenge for the Drool researchers; Find That Article! O.k., so roughly 1987. What are the possible magazines to check (if one were so inclined?) Lovely lyrics, thank you Karen.

It's worthwhile checking out at amazon.co.uk some of the other authors listed. Zadie Smith and John O'Farrell got rave reviews/awards for their first novels. Smith's multiculural novel is being filmed for the BBC. O'Farrell has a political activist background (grew up in Maidenhead, NH's home town). Melissa Basnks should be well known in the US ("Girls guide to hunting and fishing") Plus the big names - HF, NH, Robert Harris ("Enigma", NH's brother-in-law), Patrick Marber, and the Irvine Welch ("Trainspotting") ....a very impressive collection!

Relative Values is still around. This week it's at these places: 1. Brewery Arts Centre, Kendal 2. Odeon Mezzanine, London 3. Tivoli Theatre, Wimborne 4. Dartington Arts Centre, Totnes 5. National Museum of Photography, Film and Television, Bradford (only on 4 Aug) 6. Chichester Cinema at New Park, Chicester

From the better late (like, really, really late) than never department: Fever Pitch has opened on the big screen in Washington DC. It's showing at the Cinema Arts Theatre. Decent review in The Washington Post, and this on Colin: "Firth is highly appealing as the scruffy, kid-inside-a-man Paul. And his hangdog devotion to Arsenal is writ clear and often amusing." Thanks to Anne R. for the above.

You're kidding! Must have been the high demand after playing at that Georgetown bar during Soccer Week. Some people have all the luck. They see it in NY, then move down to DC and get to see it again, when most of us will never see it on a big screen. :-(

(Mari) Fever Pitch has opened on the big screen in Washington DC. Hee hee! Paul's following me...will be in DC this weekend with visiting sibs. Hmmm. Think I can convince them to skip the Smithsonians and monuments for FP? Hey Karen, United has flights from O'Hare to Dulles just about every hour. ;-) Meetcha on the Mall! (KJ) Jasper Rees: "I first met Colin Firth 10 or 11 years ago when he wrote a piece for a magazine about filming A Month in the Country. I remember this, KJ, but assumed (perhaps mistakenly) since I've never seen said article on anybody's website that it was never published. So I amend my previous 'new frontier' comment to include the words 'published writing' or 'published creative writing'. Thanks for the song info, Karen. Am looking forward to this project.

Huh! I was away 3 weeks and now I had to read all posts since beginning of July (you have been busy). BTW I saw a book review of "Les Liasons Dangereuses" and the critic mentioned that best movie made from it is Valmont...Another Firth fan?

KJ interesting about that 'lost' article.Had to laugh at that'had written way too much' I can imagine that for someone who seems to have an aversion to interviews once he gets going he can waffle. Karen there you go again listing RV showings but why do you keep missing my home town out?

for someone who seems to have an aversion to interviews once he gets going he can waffle. By all accounts, he loves waffling. Not liking interviews is a completely different matter.

I've been thinking about CF & interviews and have been trying to remember the last time he did a chat show in Britain.Anybody any ideas?

Tuesday, 31 May 1988.

Is that for real or are you winding me up? If real was it the Wogan show because that's the oneI can remember.He waffled even back then.

I take it I.m back to talking to myself.Come on its late.I'm tired and I believe anything you tell me at this time of the morning.

Yes, it was the Wogan show. He refuses to do a TV interview in the UK, but you can listem to him (Colin, not Wogan) in more recent pieces which he's done for the American TV/websites. Go and see RV website... ODB has a peculiar style... endearing to us, I'm sure, but those not enamoured might find it somewhat... how shall I put it... erm...

Karen: Some people have all the luck. They see it in NY, then move down to DC and get to see it again, when most of us will never see it on a big screen. :-( What, you think this is coincidence? Do you know how much it costs to buy a movie theater these days, even an obscure suburban art house? To say nothing of what it costs to rent the damn pictures. I wanted to install a chip bar in honor of the film, but my partner (I use the word strictly in the business sense--you think I could swing a venture like this on my own?) said that if I did that he'd feel free to add a sushi bar in honor of Pokemon 2000, and I wasn't about to have raw fish stinking up the theater where MDB is playing. For those of you who can get there, the Cinema Arts Theater is not in the District but in Fairfax, Virginia, a suburb easily reachable by car but a bitch to get to with public transportation. It's located in the Fair City Mall at Rt. 236 & Pickett Rd. Movie times are 12:30, 2:30, 4:30, 7:30 and 9:30 daily. Phone 703-978-6991. Anne Ziegfeld

(AnneR)...my partner (...) said that if I did that he'd feel free to add a sushi bar in honor of Pokemon 2000 ROTFLMAO! I like your partner, can just imagine the dialogue :-D

(AnneR) Do you know how much it costs to buy a movie theater these days...To say nothing of what it costs to rent the damn pictures. Actually, I do... (how soon they forget) ;-) Am checking to see if there are any $99 flights! This cannot/will not be borne. Perhaps can convince some arthouse theater manager here that would be excellent idea to have Nick Hornby's pre-High Fidelity hit, as that is considered local underground classic.

Thank you Arami but I'm curious as to him refusing to do an interview in UK,has he actually said that.I've been looking through my old clippings for something along those lines but have come up blank. Carrying it further any thoughts as to who would be a good interviewer for CF.I suppose for a 'serious' one MP but the devil in me would love to see him 'sort out' Dick & Jude(not me Anne I'm not sure about the term chip bar(is this a London thing?) but where I'm from (reet up North) its a chippy or for those Northeners without their flat caps(I include myself in this category) its a fish'n'chip shop.Obviously I'm doing my bit to make theNorth South divide even wider.Anyway I'd better stop waffling.though not in the same style as CF.I think itsa great idea to 'theme with the film'- chips taste great out of the paper.

Hey, Anne Ziegfeld, do you think you can manage to bring Londinium to that art house of yours?;-) Good to see you back here, Anne. Regarding FP getting a showing in the DC environs: it just proves what I've always thought--when the Republicans leave town, good things happen.:-) Unfortunately, they're headed my way next week for Dubya's coronation, er, convention.:-( Karen, I have a number for Phaedra (aka, those morons at Phaedra). Let's do some agitation next week! P.S. Anne is the original Ziegfeld girl, so dubbed when she and a group of FoFs shared some quality time with CF outside the Ziegfeld Theater for the NYC premiere of SIL.

(Odessa) BTW I saw a book review of "Les Liasons Dangereuses" and the critic mentioned that best movie made from it is Valmont...Another Firth fan? Very probably another Firth fan. Also, very probably not French, as the French tend to prefer Stephen Frears' "Les Liasons Dangereuses", (aka as "Dangerous Liasons" in the US, because Americans were deemed too stupid to understand the original title,) or an earlier version by Roger Vadim set circa 1960. Christopher Hampton's screenplay for the Frears' film is generally considered to be the closest to the Chodoleros de Laclos novel.

(Cheryl) as the French tend to prefer Stephen Frears' "Les Liasons Dangereuses"...or an earlier version by Roger Vadim set circa 1960. While I can't comment on what the French prefer, I truly doubt the latter, having seen and owning a copy of the Vadim version. BTW, it too was not faithful to the book. Have something that talks about the Vadim version in passing and about how it flopped... will try to find it.

Thank you AnnR, a CF fan who owns a theatre near me, what more can a girl ask for? I'm busy rounding up friends, plan to make as many trips out there as possible. Karen, come and see FP with me!

(Cheryl) Stephen Frears' "Les Liasons Dangereuses", (aka as "Dangerous Liasons" in the US, because Americans were deemed too stupid to understand the original title,) Nope. Dangerous Liasons is the name of the film that Frears directed. Period. And it was released that way (except for maybe in French-speaking countries) around the world. And of course, it is not unusual for films to be released with translated titles that represent the language spoken in a given country rather than with the title given it in its country of origin. Which in this case is Britain. Valmont is considered the U.S. production. Films do tend to get released with titles and dialogue (whether dubbed or subtitled) that the citizens of a given country will understand. Filmmakers and studios are funny that way--they want people to understand what they're seeing and hearing.;-);-)

(Karen) ...having seen and owning a copy of the Vadim version. BTW, it too was not faithful to the book. Have something that talks about the Vadim version in passing and about how it flopped...will try to find it. That would be very interesting if you can find it. I'd love to read it. Actually, in recent years, since Vadim's death, the opinion of his "Les Liasons Dangereuses" has risen. It has a certain camp charm. It also has that icon of French culture Jeanne Moreau. I just said from what I can ascertain, the French prefer the Vadim film to Milos Foreman's "Valmont". This doesn't mean they actually like Vadim's movie; they just dislike the Foreman film more. It doesn't have a certain camp charm. It's like he started out with "Les Liasons Dangereuses" and ended up with "Gigi". Lerner and Loewe's "Gigi", not Collette's. I've read things to that effect, anyway. Christopher Hampton's adaptation is the only one of the four film adaptaions to adhere closely to the novel. I wrote that was the one closest to the novel, not the Vadim film. I, however, tend to be as clear as mud. For what it's worth, "Valmont" has risen in acclaim in recent years. Generally better things are written about it now than were at the time of its release.

Thank you AnnR, a CF fan who owns a theatre near me, what more can a girl ask for? I'm busy rounding up friends, plan to make as many trips out there as possible. Karen, come and see FP with me!

Hey Emma,don't forget to give us a report.

Lucky, lucky Emma, Anne and Eileen! I've been waiting for two years to see FP in Los Angeles and so far no go :-(. I have even denied myself watching Paul on video trying to save it up for the big screen. Sigh.... I hope you all can drum up many friends to accompany you to the theatre in Fairfax. Perhaps the hordes you recruit will convince Phaedra to open the movie in more cities. Come on girls, do it for the team :-).

(Judy)I'm curious as to him refusing to do an interview in UK,has he actually said that Not publicly - yet all the media people know that "Mr Firth doesn't do TV." This is from someone who spoke to reporters outside a London cinema during a film premiere a few years ago.

(Cheryl) For what it's worth, "Valmont" has risen in acclaim in recent years. Glad to hear that. It's one of my fave Firths. Since board is so quiet, I will boldy re-ask a Firth trivia question. Is that CF in an uncredited cameo in Frenchman's Creek? Does anyone know? He was heavily costumed but the mannerisms were so Firth-like! If anyone is willing to watch and give their opinion, it was the Tara Fitzgerald recent version that aired on T.V. last year (I believe). The actor in question appeared in a pub scene, and later, he bows with a flourish in front of her carriage. Am so curious to know what others think. I videotaped the ending, but the station cut to a commercial before all the credits had rolled!

Can't help you with that one Sadie I didn't see it but I wish I had now,anything else you want to add to my ever growing list? I wish you hadn't mentioned Valmont he was so sexy in that I've even got it taped twice just in case one copy wears too thin.

Looks like we're the only ones around to drool, eh? Another board-hopping workout. I meant to ask Karen about chat-stuff. It's so quiet around here, do you ever wonder if we've just stumbled into the future, like Planet of the Apes? Look out, there's Charlton Heston, and he's got a gun! Ah Valmont. Wasn't CF so much more believeable than John M. (I won't attemt to spell his last name)as a seducer of women! Smarmy is never charming to me. Run into that all the time in bars. Who was it that said a woman can never resist a man that's in love with her? I think CF nailed the performance with that approach. (And who was it anyway? Probably someone so famous I'll feel like a dolt for not knowing it!)

Yes its weird sometimes I wonder where everybody goes to or are they all there watching us make fools out of ourselves or maybe they've got a life? I don't even know what board I'm on half the time you know how it is- life gets complicated when you love one man and crawl several boards- oh crass Oh no here we go you've done it again-I've not seen the JM version-where's that list gone?

Hey you guys you're not alone, I've just been quietly lurking here for a while. Judy I've even got it taped twice just in case one copy wears too thin. and I thought I was the only one to do that...my faith in human kind is restored!! I saw the JM version and wasn't impressed..I have to add that I had been spoilt by seeing 'Valmont' first. I think the director was aiming at a different type of Vicomte here.... an ugly, snidey, un-fanciable type clearly ;-D (and what a success he made of it.)

Hi Tracy I'm still loitering poor Sadie's toiling away whereas I'm having a very lazy night.All these secretswe have-double tapes etc-that we can't normally admit to,all for one man.I wonder why the other actors listed on drool don't provoke the same amount of response? I admit to being completely blinkered by CF to the point that I find it hard to watch other actors without always comparing & criticizing them which isn't the best way to watch tv or film

On the subject of the character of the Vicomte de Valmont, I was lucky enough to have seen the definitive, (to me), characterization -- that of Alan Rickman. It was back when I was a teenager and it was my first Broadway show that was not a musical. Yes, I was lucky enough to have seen the Royal Shakespeare Company's production of "Les Liasons Dangereuses". Rickman was absoulute perfection, no one else has ever come near him in the part. That's just what I think, anyway.

(Sadie) Who was it that said a woman can never resist a man that's in love with her? I think CF nailed the performance with that approach. (And who was it anyway? Probably someone so famous I'll feel like a dolt for not knowing it!) Sadie, actually I think it was the Baroness Schrader in The Sound Of Music. LOL! I'm serious. After she breaks the engagement with the Captain (as she realizes that he and Maria are in love) she tells him that a man can't resist a woman who is in love with him. "And somewhere out there is a young lady who will never be a nun." Yes, folks, I am a veritable font of useless knowledge . . .;-)

(Sadie) Who was it that said a woman can never resist a man that's in love with her? 8-o~~~ Does it also work the other way around??? In that case ODB must be deeply in love with us. Happy thought indeed *sigh* Ooops, I only saw this just now: (Mari) ...she tells him that a man can't resist a woman who is in love with him. So there's hope, hope, hope! Thank you, Sadie, and Mari, you have made my day. ;-)

grrrr!

Am curious... where are all you Beltway Babes? Have you all taken sleeping bags and tents and camped out in Fairfax, Va, never to depart or to return to your computers? ;-)

Another day. But am off work early. Yippee. Happy to have drool messages to read. It's been far too quiet lately. Am enjoying bowl of fresh pasta while I read. Ah, the agony and ecstasy of drooling! Where did that wine bottle go? (Tracy) I think the director was aiming at a different type of Vicomte here.... an ugly, snidey, un-fanciable type clearly ;-D (and what a success he made of it.) LOL Tracy! (Cheryl)Rickman was absoulute perfection, no one else has ever come near him in the part. Am curious to know more about Rickman's interpetation. How did he differ from CF and JM? (But should I be asking this on Odds & Ends?) (Renate)Does it also work the other way around??? In that case ODB must be deeply in love with us. Happy thought indeed *sigh* It could get tricky, dividing him up among so many women. Where is Jesus when you need him? LOL Mari, and what a small world it is. Question: if philosophy was espoused in Julie Andrews flick, and later adopted by CF to portray Valmont in his flick, what does it mean that CF and JA are now in movie together?

(Karen) Am curious... where are all you Beltway Babes? *waving to you from exit 33* Am off to see FP tomorrow--have had too many things to do since Friday (heck, who knew FP would be playing??). I'll give your regards to Paul!

Did I dream this, but I'm sure I read somewhere that FP will be showing in LA in September. Various dates including CF's birthday. Laemelle or Laemmle (?)Monica and Sunset something. Plus some other locations.

Sounds like a wonderful dream! Wish I could help (with the facts that is).

(Renate)...ODB must be deeply in love with us. Happy thought indeed *sigh* Would we all be willing to belong to his harem together? Am curious how many would subscribe to such a fantasy... ;-) It could get tricky, dividing him up among so many women. Where is Jesus when you need him? Being lovesick obviously clouds the mind... but please let's try and refrain from dubious jokes on the verge of blasphemy. :-)

Valmont is my favorite Firth film. His portrayal is so Much better tham J. M.. I love the way he played him as a charming rogue. A man you couldn't help but love. J. M.'s Count was just vicious and blatently evil, with no charm whatsoever. To be such a well know seducer he would have to have some charm.

Another Beltway Babe checking in. In the pouring rain, there were close to 20 people at the 7:30 show. My DH liked it better than High Fidelity. He thought it was very funny, we spend the whole evening discussing the film. He thuoght ODB gave a subtle performance that was just right. As we were leaving the theatre, I asked a young woman "if she like the movie" and she mentioned that she has seen P&P at least a 100 times. However, she was not aware of any other CF films, I suggested that she go to the internet immediately ... couldn't give her anymore details since the DH was right behind us. Eileen, I'll be there for the 7:30 tomorrow...and Thurday...and...

(Bethan) Did I dream this, but I'm sure I read somewhere that FP will be showing in LA in September. Was it something posted in September of 1999? Hoorah Emma!! You go girl, and keep on going! Am so envious.

Emma...I knew FP would bring you outta the woodwork ;-)...glad DH enjoyed the show. Hey boss...when do we start the FP discussion ?Give us a date...so I can start reading n'viewing.

Was it something posted in September of 1999? Nope..I read it about a month ago (otherwise there's no way I'd remember details!). Definitely showing September 10th in LA! Check Phaedra?

I second Evelyn's call for a FP discussion it leaves me with a good feeling no matter how many times I watch it(even though I'm a Liverpool fan) Emma glad you enjoyed it my hubby thinks it's a great film as well so I've no problems with watching it time & again. Arami don't forget to put my name down for his harem

*Beltway Babe [cough] reporting as commanded* ;-P Ahh, there's nothing like seeing Paul on the big screen in all his boyish glory. I never get tired of this movie, even though I find myself reciting some of the lines along with the cast! Won't you please, please.... Evelyn, you'd have no trouble understanding the dialogue in surround sound. If you bug the sleepy gods of Phaedra maybe FP will screen in Dallas ;-). An added bonus--I was able to meet Emma, though not 'til after the movie. There were two other people (one male, I think). Waddaya want for a Wednesday matinee? I hope FP does play in LA as Bethan reports. If it can play in Montclair, NJ and Fairfax, VA there's hope.

Eileen, did you move, hon??? This I did not know:-( Truly the Garden State's loss:-( :-( I have a call into Phaedra. If they condescend to respond to my inquiry (big important busy bee distributor like them;-), I'll let you know. Hi Emma--good to "hear" from you!

Colin's Harem Membership List (First draft): No.1. (Reserved) No.2. (Reserved) No.3. (Reserved) No.4 Judy

Sorry about earlier blasphemy Arami, but am unrepentant heretic! I've always thought the harem idea sound, but the historical reality flawed. Clearly each woman should have at least three men in her own private harem. That way, woman is more likely to receive as much emotional commitment as she gives to relationship. Or at v. least, have a real good time being shallow! I'll take Mr.Darcy, Richard C., and Joseph Prince :-)

I'll take Mr.Darcy, Richard C., and Joseph Prince :-) OK, I'll take Paul Ashworth, Matthew Field and Tommy Judd.

A game that can't be played unless repeat "takes" are allowed, in which case I'll take Darcy, Geoffrey Clifton and Matthew :-)

Mr. Darcy, Joe Prince, and Geoffrey Clifton. I like guys that won't go cheating on you;-)

(Evelyn) Joe Prince...I like guys that won't go cheating on you ;-) Minor quibble. He wouldn't have to, as would just summon up one of her many personalities. Like cheating but not technically cheating. ;-)

He wouldn't have to, as would just summon up one of her many personalities. Like cheating but not technically cheating. ;-) Ah...but this is a "happy ever after film"...and we're all cured ...from now on it's just Joe 'n Cynthia and the chipmunks.No more Maura or Elizabeth!

(Arami) No.4 Judy-Okay thats putting me in my place;-)now I want to know who are the three in front of me so I can get 'em! MR D, Joe & Paul not fussed about order they all satisfy certain needs.

(Evelyn) but this is a "happy ever after film"...and we're all cured Yes, I forgot. That goes right after believing in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny. ;-) [hope no one gets upset at quasi-religious references *guffaw*]

LOL Karen! Tooth Fairy is sacred stuff! Looks like Darcy and Joe Prince are, on average, the hottest choices, with Paul, Matthew, and Geoffrey hot on their heels. WHo gets to be "#1 wife", in your harem?

Oops, I meant concubine, of course. A mere moralistic slip, please forgive!

(Judy) I want to know who are the three in front of me so I can get 'em! Holy Easter Bunny! There's to be absolutely no fighting here and no questioning of seniority. And don't you all rush in together, I can't possibly manage such multitudes... Order, order! Colin's Harem Membership List (Withdrawn due to lack of interest.) =8-O

(Sadie) the hottest choices, with Paul, Matthew, and Geoffrey hot on their heels Gee, Sadie, I'm surprised a heretic like you didn't say Paul, Matthew, and Luke.;-) (BTW, Gospel last week *was* in fact on loaves and fishes!) Note to Arami: put away smelling salts;-) I think I'm about to screw up the harem averages. Will remove character as a consideraton and go purely for lust factor: Darcy in P&P; Ross in Playmaker; Jess in ATA.

Darcy, Ross, Richard. (Comparing Colin to a fish cake - now, that's heresy! ;-))

(Mari)I think I'm about to screw up the harem averages. Will remove character as a consideraton and go purely for lust factor: Darcy in P&P; Ross in Playmaker; Jess in ATA. You mean we were supposed to consider character? You realize that the acronymn for A Thousand Acres is most appropriate now that he's been working out. A*s Tight A*s. (And I mean that in a purely physical way, not meant to be a comment on character ;-) Fish cakes Arami? Why no. Nevaaah crossed my mind. I was thinking more along the lines of every dedicated Drooler receiving her fill of bread. You know, the body, the staff of life...need I go on? (Am v. glad it is 2000 A.D. and not 1500!) AND &^%*()IL. Wow, that was close, bolt of lightening missed me by that much!

Here's your weekly listing for RV. It has nearly doubled since last week. 1. Darlington Arts Centre, Darlington, County Durham 2. Odeon Mezzanine, London 3. Tivoli Theatre, Wimborne 4. UC6, Portsmouth 5. Elite Cinema, Leyburn 6. Dundee Contemporary Arts Centre, Dundee 7. Plaza, Dorchester 8. The Ritz, Thirsk 9. Dartington Arts Centre, Totnes 10. National Museum of Photography, Film and Television, Bradford 11. Chapter Arts Centre, Cardiff 12. Grimsby Screen, Grimsby 13. Chichester Cinema at New Park, Chicester

I was thinking more along the lines of every dedicated Drooler receiving her fill of bread. You know, the body, the staff of life...need I go on? Yeah, I know... Truly, you do need a miracle... but the Christian tradition is to pray humbly and not to yell in annoyance... ;-)

Hmm, am confused. Thought I was at Drool board, not in church listening to sermon. ;-P

Amen. ;-) and now unto topics our congregation careth about... Had wanted to be sure the vids materialized before posting, but as is posted at Pemberley now... Fever Pitch is now truly at price to purchase up in Canada. Videoflicks will be selling it on Tuesday (Aug 8) at US$14.99. They still are awaiting shipment. http://www.videoflicks.com/VF2/9996/9996141.ihtml [Fever Pitch] Another bargain is MLSF, which will be available NEW at US$12.99. Excellent deal if you weren't fortunate enough to have a Blockbusters nearby with excess copies of tape to sell. Amazon shows the price reduction to be effective September 12 and then only down to $16.99. http://www.videoflicks.com/VF2/9994/9994736.ihtml [My Life So Far]

Arami don't be a spoilsport a womans got a right to fight over her man. 'withdrawn due to lack of interest' now I'm confused I thought we were talking about HG's sex life over on 131 'staff of life' now there's something I'd like to cling to. Karen are you trying to torment me with these lists of cinemas where RV is playing?

(Judy)'staff of life' now there's something I'd like to cling to. Sexactly! (Whispered reverently ;-P )

Thought I was at Drool board, not in church listening to sermon. ;-P Drool board is a kind of worship and sermons are sometimes needed. ;-P (Besides, it's not me who started it by making audacious demands on Jesus! ;-P) Arami don't be a spoilsport Now, that's asking waaaaaaaay too much. I was a prime spoilsport when I first came to this place and I'm a person of habit (yes, long and dirty, if you must know ;-P) a womans got a right to fight over her man. Sexactly! He's not just HER man, you know. ;-) 'withdrawn due to lack of interest' now I'm confused I thought we were talking about HG's sex life over on 131 Judy, I wouldn't wish to talk about HG's left earlobe, let alone his sex life (especially that LH says he hasn't any to speak of...) The truth is that you are the only applicant for the CF harem so far. You may call that your very good luck - but surely not interest?

Hello ladies, I think I'm even more addicted. After seeing FP for the fouth time this week, I can say that FP is one of my favorite CF films and Paul my fav after Darcy. I rush over to the theatre on Wednesday to catch up with Eileen, it's always such fun to meet up with other firthettes. There were about 12 people at the Wednesday night show, and 25 at the Thursday night show. I took another couple with me, and my DH was a good sport to see it again. Evelyn, you would be proud of me, I've called up friends to tell them that they MUST go see this film. Now I have the screenplay in hand, and the soundtrack ready to go, and I'm not even a football fan.

Its a great film isn't Emma. My husband too enjoyed it and so did my son, (mind you he does support Arsenal.)

(Arami) yes,long & dirty-are we exchanging confidences here? ;-) Agree HG's sex life is not my favourite topic of conversation but at least we get a rise out of it! Emma well done you're a defininite FP addict its one of my faves as well

I don't know whether this is old news, but I just found at Choices Direct that along with the book "Speaking With The Angel" there will be published a talking tape with the following readers: Nick Hornby, Melissa Bank, Roddy Doyle, Helen Fielding, Colin Firth, Robert Harris, Patrick Marber, John O'farrell, Irvine Welsh and Zadie Smith. I suppose these will be all the authors of the stories.

Great find Nita I'm glad he's doing a reading, mmm that voice .

Great find, Nita. So all the authors are reading their own stories. Does make sense. It also says it's 4 tapes and 6 hours in length. All for only �12.99. Emma, you've gone 4 times already and YDH has gone twice. Wow!! You are setting all records. Lucky, lucky girl.

(Judy)are we exchanging confidences here? ;-) Habit - long, dirty... just an old joke - or so I thought...

Not oo late to join the harem game, I hope. Mine are Richard Herncastle because he is so eager to learn, Richard Courtois because he has nothing to learn, and Darcy because he has nothing to prove. (Sadie) You realize that the acronymn for A Thousand Acres is most appropriate now that he's been working out. A*s Tight A*s. ROTFLMNotSoTightAO Emma, contratulations. As you and Eileen keep going we'll sit back and watch those box office receipts rise in five dollar increments.

Not oo late to join the harem game, I hope. Mine are Richard Herncastle... Richard Courtois... and Darcy That's not a harem, that's m�nage � quatre.

Thanks for the feedback, Ann, Judy, Karen, and Heide, I may go back once more on Tuesday. BTW, it's $7.75 for the evening performances, certainly money well spent in this case. The theatre has scaled back the number of showings, only 3 per day this week. Hmm, a m�nage � quatre, now that's something to look forward to. I think Darcy, Paul (even when he talks such nonsense) and Richard will do just fine.

(Bethan) Nope..I read it about a month ago (otherwise there's no way I'd remember details!). Definitely showing September 10th in LA! Check Phaedra? Wot, wot, wot?!?!? Dare I hope that FP will actually come to an art theater near me? I hope you're scoop is accurate Bethan but I don't think I can afford to get my hopes up again. Too depressing when the Phaedra boys can't get their act together ;-). They promised us July of 1998 in the LA Times, then advertised again for September of 1999..... and nada. But perhaps this is our year. Heck, with the groundswell of attendance that Emma is drumming up single handedly, perhaps this will inspire them to put the film out into more cities :-).

This should go nicely together with your Sunday morning coffee: http://www.lineone.net/express/00/08/06/news/n0320-d.html

Arami thanks for the tip just rushed out(with family intow) to buy paper,yes he's a page 3 boy yummy!

mmmm muscular physique and 6-pack stomach-I see a towel scene! I probably should be over on 131? Yes.

Oooh, thanks, Arami. Interesting that Colin said, "top actor." Wonder what he means by that? ;-)

(Karen)"top actor." Wonder what he means by that? :-) I'm having trouble keeping my mind off his body so haven't given much thought to the 'serious' side of things.To me he's already a top actor but maybe he's got the big time ambition bug! BTW I wish he'd practise those press ups on me!!

"Fairly podgy as Mr.Darcy", nevah, he was perfect just right. How can they say he is overweight, in January he was as slim as a rake and I fear if he loses too much weight he will lose it off that lovely face. I thought he looked a bit hollow cheecked at the RV Premiere, please leave Mr. Darcy alone, he is just fine as he is. He may have been a bit overweight in SIL, but I am sure it was all that costume. In Fever Pitch I thought he was too thin but as Mr Darcy he was wonderful, in every way. The only thing that needs building up imo are his arms and the press-ups don't seem to have done anything for them.I just hope he is not too thin now because I am sure it will affect his lovely round Darcy face, dimples and all. sorry to go on but I thought Colin was perfect just as he was. Evelyn, my old pal old buddy, have you received my two emails?

Interesting that Colin said, "top actor." Uh-oh... did he? So says the Express, but I wouldn't know unless I could actually hear him... ;-) What I am prepared to believe, however, is that he actually said "a lifelong commitment". He has been quoted using these words before and they sound perfect Firthspeak. To me he's already a top actor Quite so. Me too.

Thanks Arami....Cornel is a miracle-worker to do that in two weeks. 400 sit-ups a day...wow. "Character actors" usually aren't as concerned with their appearance;-) Hmmmmmm....

Thanks, Arami, a very nice way to start Sunday. (Ann) "Fairly podgy as Mr.Darcy", nevah, he was perfect just right. I'm with you, CF has never been overweight, however, I would love to see the 6-pack stomach. And the exercise and better diet is certainly a good thing. Maybe he is more concerned with his appearance now because the big 40 is just around the corner.

We loved you fat We loved you thin We loved you quaffing Wine or gin. But now E Gads You're buff - a hunk! No more wine bars No more junk. 400 push ups in a day, A slimmer, trimmer girth. You know the one I envy most? That lucky Mrs. Firth. Thanks, Maria. Great find. Maybe Gladiator 2 is not as far fetched as I thought for DB. Quick, someone send Russell Crowe this trainer's name!!!!

Here's why for Russell! The only time I thought CF was really flabby was in MOTM.

Hmmm... I like the sexy new screen role in Bridget Jones's Diary part... Maybe they won't ruin the story for us after all ;-) Must make a note of that diet - pasta, poultry, fish, cereal, rice, milk and water - lost a stone, did he? Not that I can figure out *where* he could loose it... Thanks for the link, Arami! :-)

Yuk Murph how could you do that to an unsuspecting CF fan,now how about one of Colin,fat or thin,I'm not fussed,please;-) I thought he looked chubby in EP.Whoever wrote that caption"Pride & Podginess:Plump Darcy was still a sex symbol" needs their eyes testing(oops I don't mean about the sex symbol part)

How about ? How thin can he get?

Besides, what do they mean "podgy"?

Thanks Gi I feel better all ready. Podgy=short & fat! I thought he needed toning up more than anything, don't want him to lose it off the important bits!

400 push ups in a day, A slimmer, trimmer girth. You know the one I envy most? That lucky Mrs. Firth. Murph, excellent, LOL! This would make a great Firthland hymn.

Hm... I think that after 400 push-ups for him in a day we should perhaps feel a little sorry for her at night... ;-)

(Evelyn) "Character actors" usually aren't as concerned with their appearance ;-) True, but I heard there was a really juicy role for a "stuttering masturbatory village pervert" but he had to have buff bod. ;-)

Harummph. IMO the author that 'podgy Darcy' comment was confusing CF with the actors who played Mr. Hurst and Sir William Lucas. Am honestly amazed that anyone could consider CF overweight (out of shape, perhaps, but this guy's usually a walking string bean, for cryin' out loud). I never thought he looked even close to chubby, chunky or even 'filled out' in anything I've seen. If there wasn't a picture with that article, I would stay true to form and doubt its truthfulness. However, there he is, displaying his trademark arm drape (notice no shoulder clutch--gesture obviously reserved for females *or* triceps are now too big ;-)). Originally it was reported that he lost 2 stone, or 28 lbs. That was outrageous. I agree with Gi, though, even 1 stone is a stretch (unless he ate like a madman while in LA post-3DOR. Heck, everyone knows they subsist on nuts and sprouts out there ;-). Well, perhaps it was a steady diet of Starbucks sweet rolls, frappucinos and fruit smoothies). (Emma) however, I would love to see the 6-pack stomach. Oh, my, my, my! As if I needed additional inducement to get me to see BJ... And the exercise and better diet is certainly a good thing. Absolutely. I also agree with the turning 40 influence. Happens to the best of us! (Karen) Interesting that Colin said, "top actor." Indeed. But in thinking about it, it sounds a bit Bridgetesque--in manner of top human rights lawyer. Good for you, Emma, to keep those FP fires burning. I'll try to get down there for another matinee this week (hopefully it won't take 2 hrs. to get home like it did last week :-(). I'll be in touch.

One thing I'm not clear on: the article says he was "put through a punishing three-month fitness regime," but then it quotes Chin as saying he was "called in a couple of weeks before filming started, so it was a rush job." Which is it?? 14 pounds in 2 weeks? I wonder if diuretics were involved . . .;-) Surely Chin-ups were in the picture.;-) Mr. Darcy "podgy?" Sorry, but he looked a helluva lot better than Cornel! No wonder these poor actors and actresses get skewed ideas about body weight. I do think CF's weight tends to fluctuate. He was so thin at the Donmar in January; didn't he head for LA afterwards? One can only assume he spent the rest of the winter plopped on the beach, loading up on Margeritas and Mexican grub.;-) Yum. And now this is a "lifelong commitment"? What is Italy without vino, braziole, and cannolis? Honestly, is life worth living??;-)

(Mari) One thing I'm not clear on: the article says he was "put through a punishing three-month fitness regime," but then it quotes Chin as saying he was "called in a couple of weeks before filming started, so it was a rush job." Which is it?? To my recollection, CF was not confirmed in the role until late April--that fits with the 'couple of weeks before filming' comment. Cornel probably worked with him throughout the shoot, ergo 'three months'. Men generally drop weight faster than women, but I'll bet those washboard abs didn't appear after only two weeks, even with 400 situps a day. *sigh* Washboard abs...how many more days until BJ opens in the states??

Hmmm, wonder if Dylan Thomas was buff.;-) From FOF Rai: South Wales Evening Post August 3, 2000 HEADLINE: Film cameras ready to roll on love story Dylan and Caitlin inspire Rolling Stone's movie BYLINE: By Deborah Williams WORK is due to start on rock legend Mick Jagger's GBP 10million film about the turbulent love affair between Dylan and Caitlin Thomas. Swansea, Carmarthenshire and New York will provide the backdrop for The Map of Love being produced by the Rolling Stone's Jagged Films. Scenes will be shot at locations across Carmarthenshire and Swansea with the full co-operation of both county councils. Jagger, an avid Dylan Thomas fan, has wanted to make the love story for some time. Speaking from Los Angeles, Jagger said: "It's ready. I've been wanting to do it for years but now everything is coming together and we hope filming will start this year." Locations likely to be used include the Boat House where Dylan lived in Laugharne and the house in Cwmdonkin Terrace, Swansea, where he was born.Dylan's favourite drink-ing haunts including Brown's Hotel at Laugharne, the Uplands Tavern in Swansea and seafront bars in Mumbles will probably feature. Fern Hill, a six-bedroomed house at Llangain still owned by Dylan's relatives, is likely to be included. Actors tipped to play Dylan include Port Talbot's Michael Sheen, whose tangled hair and Celtic looks have made him a front-runner for the role. Others include Rufus Sewell, whose family live in Laugharne, Rhys Ifans, Rupert Everett, COLIN FIRTH and Gary Oldman, while Oscar-nominee Emily Watson is hotly tipped to play Caitlin. Script-writer Chris Monger has based the film on Dylan and Caitlin's relationship from their marriage in 1937 through to the poet's death in America. Pontarddulais-born Victoria Pear-man, who runs Jagged Films, said: "This is a project I have really been looking forward to."

(Eileen) To my recollection, CF was not confirmed in the role until late April--that fits with the 'couple of weeks before filming' comment. Cornel probably worked with him throughout the shoot, ergo 'three months'. Yep, I think you're right, Eileen. Maybe they saved the filming of the "hot scenes" 'til the end of CF's shooting, when new bod would be in place.;-) Oh, how I dearly hope there are hot scenes . . .where's Judy???;-) (Eileen) *sigh* Washboard abs...how many more days until BJ opens in the states?? Double *sigh* . . . only 179 if you believe the 2/2 date. Wonder if they'll open it in England first.

(Mari) One can only assume he spent the rest of the winter plopped on the beach, loading up on Margeritas and Mexican grub.;-) Think he's missing the KFC? Others include Rufus Sewell, whose family live in Laugharne, Rhys Ifans, Rupert Everett, COLIN FIRTH and Gary Oldman... Dylan Thomas!! Woo woo!! That's been on my little list for a long time. Think I even posted side-by-side pics of the two of them. But Colin might be a little too fit for this role. Needs his old, podgy face back, I'm afraid. ;-) turbulent love affair It's got my vote.

Ladies I have to admire you,while you're debating the time scale of his diet & fitness regime my thoughts have been in the gutter.What with 6-pack stomach, press-ups & muscles,I've a haze over my eyes,I'm panting & ready for it!! Can't wait for the towel scene especially since he's built up muscle,how's he going to keep it covered,it'll be popping out all over the place & my eyes with it! 'lardy Darcy' How do these people get their jobs? have they forgotten the heady Darcy days?He was theideal man now he's referred to as fat,greasy piece ofdripping.Can't you tell it was written by a jealous man

(Judy) 'lardy Darcy' How do these people get their jobs? have they forgotten the heady Darcy days?He was theideal man now he's referred to as fat,greasy piece of dripping. LOL! Too true. It's not as though everyone was fanning themselves over his thighs whilst groaning over the size of his beer belly. Can't you tell it was written by a jealous man Or quotes from one who is motivated by self-promotion in manner of Jake-whatshisname-Hollywood bodybuilder has-been. Keep your eyes peeled for 'Body by Cornel' videos. (Karen) Think I even posted side-by-side pics of the two of them. I remember.

(Eileen) 'Body by Cornel' videos,what a hoot! If it promises to make men look like CF then I'll be the first to buy it for my hubby.

Have at last ventured to put my foot in the water and join in. I will start by showing my ignorance and asking what exactly is a six pack stomach? Please enlighten me.

Jennie!! Nice to have you with us. Drop in frequently and ask as many questions as you like. what exactly is a six pack stomach? Aside from what we'd all love to have? ;-) In the US, we'd be more likely to refer to it as washboard abs (although is there anyone out there who has seen a washboard other than in old Ma and Pa Kettle movies?) Just means a very tight, hard and flat stomach which is necessary to balance a six pack on!

I didn't see anything wrong with his tum as displayed in THOTP and Playmaker; no beer belly that I could see! Admittedly he was a little plump round the middle in FF (Just enough to make him cuddly!) but otherwise ........

Hi Jennie, Glad you found us and welcome. Karen is our super-sleuth, so if there is anything to know you will find it here, for sure. Check out the other topics as well, it is well worth it!

While I admit a Cornel & Friends Sweating to the Oldies video sounds like something I'd very much like to own/watch, have found something else: http://www.clickmango.com/wisdom/ten_things_2a.shtml

Hello Jennie its great to have you aboard. Mmm glad to see we're talking about his body again, biology lessons seem to be the norm around here.Now about that tum I've never had a problem with it, always thought my head could go where he rests his six-pack.But have to confess the thought of his work-outs has whetted my appetite, BTW I've never seen a six-pack in England (& that goes for the beer as well;-D )

Karen you never fail to amaze me -now we can all exercise like Colin does.

It's always good to hear from a newbie, Jennie welcome! (Judy) BTW I've never seen a six-pack in England (& that goes for the beer as well;-D ) Agreed, the average British male has a lot to live up to! I too cannot see where the whole 'lardy' Darcy podgy-ness comes in, I'm sure we all droolfully recall his silhouetted form marching forth towards Pemberley post swim....and there was certainly not an inch to pinch! Mr Hurst....now that's what I call a 'lard-arse'. (Whoops pot/kettle scenario alert!) In MOTM he was slightly fuller in the face and arms, but hardly what could be termed 'lardy'....in fact I would go as far as to say that in a lot of what he has done (I'm thinking HOTP in particular), he looks as if he could have done with several helpings of my famous icecream or have undergone a bit of the RZ treatment;-D

is there anyone out there who has seen a washboard other than in old Ma and Pa Kettle movies? Not only seen, but used one as well. a very tight, hard and flat stomach which is necessary to balance a six pack on! No, no, no - nothing to do with balancing. A six pack is six cans of beer clamped together in two rows, so that they can be carried as one unit. A well developed, lean, muscular abdomen usually has three layers of tight muscle visible on each side of the navel. It's a simile.

Arami, you have clearly been very spoiled you lucky thing!

I take it you are referring to the washboard, not the six pack? Yes, I remember it with tears in my eyes (it bloody hurt my knuckles!)

(Tracy)'lard-arse'. (Whoops pot/kettle scenario alert!)LOL I suffer with you my symtoms include too many dimples all in the wrong places. Tell me about your ice cream please?

I agree with Arami. I've always thought "six pack" referred to the 3 "lumps" of muscle visible on each side of the vertical line. They are only visible when extraneous fat isn't there. Not speaking from personal experience of course... Hmmm....can't even picture CF with a six-pack. May not be able to stand the wait until 2/00 *slurp*

Thank you, anatomical whizzes. I stand corrected. Perhaps was recent rereading of BJD when, during horrendous minibreak, Daniel tells Bridget that guys want someone on whose bottom they can balance a pint of beer. Oh so confusing ;-) Perhaps you should start using a rock by the river...

In that photo with Cornel he didn't look any different.in fact it reminded me of the kitchen scene in FP with dark t-shirt (I trust it's a new one Colin) More than likely six-pack is an exaggeration by the press,who in their usual ignorance are confusing keeping fit with body-building.

(Judy)Tell me about your ice cream please? With hindsight am not sure that I should talk about ice-cream and CF in the same sentence.....since am sure it will send you into a severe bout of un-necessariness (note to self...not to use words like 'smearing' and 'nibbling' unless sure emergency services on stand-by up North!) ;-D Needless to say my ice-cream has enough calories in it to harden the arteries of the entire Home Counties. It has mainly two ingredients...namely cream and er, well yes ice! Particular faves are brown bread, and banana...all the better for smearing o.......*author faints into pool of drool*

This six pack thing will not show on a normal body when the abdomen is relaxed: it requires the bodybuilding technique of displaying tensed muscles to make them really visible. Or years of weight lifting. Or a lifetime of sit-ups. Has anyone got a snappy of the near-full frontal from Playmaker handy?

Oh no! Its too much - with my imagination running riot over the exercise routine and now this!

Well whose going to be first in the queue to feel this new firm stomach? All in the line of research, of course. Move your head Judy it's time for another biology lesson. On another note ... Now that the filming of BJD must be almost finished (apart from HG's retakes) has anyone heard definitely what ODB 's next project is? I know there have been rumours about Armadillo, The Maid of Butterworth and more recently Tony Blair and now Dylan Thomas, but hopefully, he will have something to come back to after the summer break.

(Jennie) Move your head Judy it's time for another biology lesson. Okay I've moved my head,lower,now Tracy pass the ice cream,what was it smear & nibble?IAm I doing all right Jennie any tips gratefully received*passed out in Tracy's pool of drool* it's big enough for the both of us*snort*

(Arami)Hm... I think that after 400 push-ups for him in a day we should perhaps feel a little sorry for her at night... ;-) LOL! How right you probably are... (Karen) is there anyone out there who has seen a washboard other than in old Ma and Pa Kettle movies? (Arami)Not only seen, but used one as well. Same here. (Arami)This six pack thing will not show on a normal body when the abdomen is relaxed: it requires the bodybuilding technique of displaying tensed muscles to make them really visible. Or years of weight lifting. Or a lifetime of sit-ups. Not true :-) My first boyfriend (when we were twenty) had it, and he didn't do any of those. And my DH can sport very decent abs after a couple of weeks of exercising (a pity he doesn't do it more often...)

New BBC Autumn schedule announced on Ceefax, no DQ but then not all dramas mentioned.

Welcome, Jennie! So nice to see you here. Arami, this is the best I could do: http://members.xoom.com/firth_place/playmaker.html

(Me)This six pack thing will not show on a normal body ... (Gi) Not true :-) Oh, well, must've been looking at the wrong body... :-) This one, perhaps? ;-D http://members.xoom.com/firth_place/playmaker.html ???

Blackadder Back & Forth 'coming soon' to Sky1 that usually means within 2-4 weeks!

Blackadder Back & Forth 'coming soon' to Sky1 Is that the Dome one? Pay attention....blink and he's gone;-) Mari/Arami that Playmaker(AKA "I Did it for the Money") website is a hoot. He looks pretty trim there....before all the Bruschettas and Calzones, no doubt.

Hello everyone, it's good to be back. Lardy Darcy indeed! *joins in general scoffing* What nerve! His weight may fluctuate a little, but I agree that he really only needed to tone up, unless he was on the RZ Health Plan just before getting signed on! I think the problem is that his beautiful face does not love the camera as much as some, less-goodlooking actors. It would take a sensitive cinematographer to do him full justice. I am more than willing to learn the technical aspects required.... (Arami)Hm... I think that after 400 push-ups for him in a day we should perhaps feel a little sorry for her at night... ;-) In article (as opposed to Murph's witty poem) it is 400 sit-ups by day. That leaves plenty of room for 400 push-ups by night! I don't feel any sympathy at all. ;-) (Karen) Interesting that Colin said, "top actor." (Eileen) Indeed. But in thinking about it, it sounds a bit Bridgetesque--in manner of top human rights lawyer. LOL Eileen, too funny, and a v. endearing thought of ODB. (Karen)Perhaps was recent rereading of BJD when, during horrendous minibreak, Daniel tells Bridget that guys want someone on whose bottom they can balance a pint of beer. Oh so confusing ;-) LOL, Karen, sounds reasonable to me! Welcome Jennie! LOL Judy and Tracy! Going all unnecessary sure is necessary. Glad for such dreamy creamy discussions. (Yes, all smutty implications intended!) Enjoyed Playmaker site --- and sight! Thanks Mari and Arami. V. funny mantra too.

(Sadie) his beautiful face does not love the camera asmuch as some,less good-looking actors.I don't want to agree with you on that one but I have to,the photowith Cornel hardly does him justice. I'm sat with the article in front of me & it definitely says press-ups.I've only read the on-line version once& can't remember the exact wording but I presume it says sit-ups with all the discussion about it. I can relate to you not feeling any sympathy for her I'm only a pale shade of green if I think she's going without;-D 'Dreamy creamy' yum yum I'm feeling hungry again.

Yeah, I think that some of the most loved by the camera stars, actually look a little strange in real life. Of course, I have never seen CF in real life, but enough of him in different shots to know when I'm looking at a badly angled one. But perhaps those fortunate Droolers who have met him could tell us how he looks in person?

The exact wording from the article is "Firth built a muscular physique with an intensive weight-training programme and press-ups, and developed a six-pack stomach with 400 sit-ups a day. He lost a stone in weight with a diet of pasta, poultry, fish, cereal, rice, milk and water. So poor chap is doing both sit-ups and press-ups. Shouldn't think he knows whether he is coming or going. I must say I agree with Judy, don't think the photo does him justice, his neck looks a bit scraggy too!

Oh not the neck. Can photographers do nothing right! (Have you checked out Darcy Drool, Jennie? We discussed his neck there.

I'm glad somebody pays attention & reads properly,I have a one track mind and couldn't get past those press-ups. Scraggy neck,scraggy neck- only because between us we've sucked all the blood out-lust bites you know

Do you think he ever feels drained as result of all our objectification? I sometimes feel guilty.

(Sadie)But perhaps those fortunate Droolers who have met him could tell us how he looks in person? Nurse, the smelling salts...I feel a faint coming on! *sigh, crash, huge bout of un-necessariness* Believe me he doesn't look at all strange in real life and I'm sure my fortunate co-Donmar Droolers will concur. Unfortunately the photo of the occasion doesn't do either of us any favours. It's not so much what he looks like but more how he carries himself...(ladies please!)..and how he interacts with us mere drool-sodden mortals. And oh that voice, he was v. polite and v gracious and not at all annoyed at the stumbling, stuttering fool in front of him (i.e. me) who was totally unable to string two sentences together. One thing that struck me ( apart from the apalling dress sense which we all adore him for) was that he is much taller than he seems on screen and appears only to willing to profer a strong arm round the shoulder/neck of the unsuspecting Firthette. Unexpected but by no means unwelcome :-~~~ Ok, I'll stop now *calming down*

Oh Tracy, I'm torn between a sigh and an Ummmmmmm! He is built a little like Clarke Gable, tall but not scrawny, hence taller than you think. Do you know, that when Gable first began, they used to place people up on boxes around him for a shot, because tall wasn't in! Yes, a box to stand on would be the v. thing! Am clearly over my guilt!

Tracy I envy you.I can't imagine you being unable to string two sentences together he must have really got to you. 'carries himself' you know I'm a lady please explain fully. Did he touch your neck,oh tell me he didn't I couldn't cope-this neck touching of his must be a subliminal message to all his fans.

A box ,oh no, I just swing from his neck by my teeth scrumptious!

But if you play too roughly, the DB will be in no kind of shape to respond. Drain the essence, in true Vampire fashion, but leave some alive for the rest of us! ;-D

Judy, I know it is hard to believe but I was literally reduced to a blancmange. I had all this stuff I was going to say about the subtle nuances of the play and how well the audience received it but all I remember saying (and I have a witness - she too is astounded that I was speechless) was in a very bad HG type of way "Thanks...that er...was er.....great!" Absolutely priceless - how to impress someone in one easy lesson! Yes I'm sorry to break the awful truth to you, gently does it, am afraid that the neck was touched....you should try it sometime..just get within a reasonable proximity and I'm sure he'll oblige, he seems very free with his attentions! Subliminal message *Pfft* one can only dream *drool*. Here we go again!

Oh I cannot take any more neck conversations. Where is my chocolate? Film Gods be damned (as opposed to film stars). Struth, but I've got to go, this has been one long Firth Feeding Frenzy! Thanks you guys! Now can face the rest of my unpacking.

Tracy you're only human & I don't want you to impresshim anyway,I'm glad you made an idiot of yourself;-) Even more so when you say he's touched your neck, I bet you've not washed it yet,can I touch your neck as well just to touch somewhere that Colin has. Whenever I'm at Lyme I sit in the same spot as him, its the nearest I'll ever get to his bum.*splash* I'm in that pond again.

With a bit of luck that's exactly what I'll be doing sometime next week! Sitting by the pond that is, not touching him bum! Can me madcap and crazy but I have washed, you know going since January without a bit of a scrub is a bit off-putting in the dating stakes. But the coat I was wearing has not seen Surf since and still have the pen he touched *sigh*! You can fondle my coat with pleasure :-D

It might be muddy by that pond its not stopped raining here for days & days. Pass me your coat & I should have known he touched your pen you write so well. I'm off as well hubby says he wouldn't mind if I talked to him tonight as well,I'm even allowed to talk about Colin if thats what it takes!

Welcome Jennie. I hope that you enjoy yourself here.

Judy, I forgot to mention how lucky you are, to be so close to Lyme (and certain bums). Did you manage to see anything of the shoot back in '95? LOL! Glad to hear you have washed, Tracy. Otherwise, on a second encounter with ODB, he might not be so charming! Am getting v. confused, what with all this drooling. But it was this board where possible Dyan Thomas role was mentioned?....and an hour and a half later! Arggh! I've been searching for a way to send email to Jagged Films. No luck yet! Anybody know how to find an index of Film Companies? Lots of Mick fan sites, but no links.

(Judy) I don't want to agree with you on that one but I have to,the photowith Cornel hardly does him justice. You mentioned this twice, so that photo must be bothering you. What, you want him to pose with his arms flexed over his head, in manner of Rocky Balboa clutching pipe while talking to Adrienne in his apartment? ;-) Am v.v. curious to see this new bod. Am still amazed at necessity for words 'flab' and 'Colin Firth' in same sentence.

(Sadie) Arggh! I've been searching for a way to send email to Jagged Films. No luck yet! Anybody know how to find an index of Film Companies? Unfortunately, it's usually not so easy. The big studios and indie distributors can be found on such listings. To find Jagged Films, you're going to have to do some phoning (LD and v. LD) around. No signs of a website yet, and email is usually ignored. If you're serious, I'll send you a phone number or two to start with...

Firstly a quick thanks to you lot. My doctor went into hospital last night to have our first baby and rang me this morning in tears and very upset as she was coping so badly. I felt terrible being too far away to comfort her so I keyed into Drool and felt so much better after reading your comments and having a laugh. Am now a grandmother - baby boy 8lbs 1oz, called Samuel. Judy, am envious of your close proximity to Lyme. Usually try and get up there a couple of times a year and have a walk in the park (you can guess my route) Where you a fan before P&P and therefore managed to see some of the shoot?

You can see how excited I am that should read daughter and not doctor!!

Congrats Jennie. And v. glad all is well! (Karen)To find Jagged Films, you're going to have to do some phoning (LD and v. LD) around. No signs of a website yet, and email is usually ignored. If you're serious, I'll send you a phone number or two to start with... Yes, please email me with phone numbers. Thanks. V. Funny gif!

Congratulations Grandma Jennie! and a belated Welcome! :-)

Jennie congratulations,did she not consider Colin as a name;-) My son has just got a new budgie(not quite the same thing I know) and won't let me call him ColinI think we need to promote it as a sexy,heart-throbbysort of name,starting with babies & budgies!Am I talking nonsense again? Sadie & Jennie.I've been a P&P fan since a teenager & a CF fan since Tumbledown.At the time of filming the publicity in the local newspapers & on local TV was amazing however not once did they mention CF aagh scream,shout,having a tantrum now at thought of lostopportunity.I still kick myself over not just going to see the shoot anyway,if I had known nothing would have kept me away especially since I've been visiting the park since early childhood & know all the back entrances.My hubby still taunts me with it to this day,he was ready to take me,You can't call me anything I've not already called myself;-) (Eileen) You mentioned this twice,so that photo must be bothering you.Hmn I hadn't thought about it in thatway but I think it must be bothering me.I suppose its because of the way they're talking about him.I've never read anything like this before and I don't think just because he's getting fit that they should start saying unflattering things about him.There are some wonderful photos of him around,I know they showed a large photo of Darcy,I just wished they'd showed another photo of him in real-life.It didn't help that this photo didn't match what they were saying about his new look. Now about this pose you were talking about,I've neverwatched a Rocky movie,but I presume it would show his finely honed musculature to perfection?

Fever Pitch Update--finally heard from Phaedra today. Here's the scoop: --It's being released on video in the U.S. on November 21 by Trimark. Until then, they're still trying to book it theatrically, but obviously will have to cut it off soon in advance of video. --They're "getting very nice numbers in Virginia" (well done Emma and Eileen!), and it's possible the run may be extended there for a third week. --LA area is definite for September: Palm Springs September 8; LA/Laemmle Sunset 5 booked for September 9 & 10 (and maybe beyond); Laemmle Santa Monica opens September 16; Pasadena Playhouse opens September 23. --Chicago and Philadelphia are "other possibilities." Dallas unlikely.

Congratulations, Jennie! What wonderful news. My best wishes for everyone's health and happiness. Bet you and hubby can't wait to start spoiling the little guy (it's called grandparental prerogative:-)!

Dallas unlikely. Boo hiss....and they gave MLSF a good reception at the box office. Post the FP "fixture list" on V V ,Mari. Lots of CF fans over there.

Congratulations Jennie, and very best wishes to Mum and Dad and of course, little Samuel.(mustn't forget Grandad)

Well done, Emma & Eileen!! Don't take those billboards off your cars. Another week? Incredible. Wonderful news, Mari. Thanks for asking the brain trust about *other* cities. Think I'll stop by my new arthouse and ask to talk to a grownup manager about requested bookings. ;-) And congratulations, Jennie, to your daughter and her husband and the proud grandparents.

Chaps, chaps, I was ROTFLMAO and PIMPing myself reading some of your recent exchanges above... Good, good - keep it coming - LOL! Who was that wanted to fondle something touched by Colin? I can offer two - yes, two - pens and the fingers of my right hand... sadly, well scrubbed now, but the memory will never fade... :-)

Oh, and congratulations, Jennie!

May I too add my warmest congratulations to you and yours Jennie!

Thanks, everyone, for your congratulations, off to see the little chap today. Unfortunately, Judy they would not consider Colin as a suitable name anymore than for your son's budgie. It (Colin) seems to have had a very short life as a popular name over here. Was looking it up in the dictionary of First names recently and they said it was a favourite in the 50s, actually mentioned ODB in their section on personalities with this name and his was the last one mentioned (birthdate wise), others included Colin Davies and Colin Cowdrey who are much older. Does anyone know whether he has a second Christian name?

Thank goodness I have finally found a fellow Firthian, because this is my first time.

As a follow-up to Judy's notice, this is from Sky's press release of 9 August, announcing its autumn schedule highlights: Blackadder is a comedy phenomenon of the last decade, and Sky One viewers can see a reunion of the original cast and writing team (Ben Elton and Richard Curtis) specially commissioned for Skyscape at the Millennium Dome. Blackadder Back and Forth takes Rowan Atkinson, Stephen Fry, Tim McInnerny, Hugh Laurie, Miranda Richardson and - as Baldrick - Tony Robinson on a chaotic journey across centuries of British history. BTW, Shakespeare in Love will also be on Sky. Octavia Join in our discussion. Tell us what brought you here.

WELCOME OCTAVIA We're always glad to have another Firthian on board....Stick around and join the fun. Why didn't Blackadder mention Shakespeare!

(Octavia) Thank goodness I have finally found a fellow Firthian You haven't found one, you've found a whole bunch from all around the world. Welcome! (Karen) Well done, Emma & Eileen!! Don't take those billboards off your cars. Hee hee! Er, thanks for the credit, but it should all go to Emma. I've only been to see it once--doubt my five clams made much of a difference. Hopefully it will run next week and I can get down to Fairfax again. (Judy) Hmn I hadn't thought about it in thatway but I think it must be bothering me.I suppose its because of the way they're talking about him.I've never read anything like this before and I don't think just because he's getting fit that they should start saying unflattering things about him. Ooh, I was just teasing. I do agree, however, with what you're saying to a certain extent--believe moreso that it's merely publicity. We take it personally on behalf of ODB but thrust (know you like that word) of piece is 'CF has sexy new body so come see it in BJD...and if you're rich, famous and in need of a personal trainer, Cornel's your man.

Welcome Octavia,its nice to know you're not alone in the world isn't? (Jennie) I was looking it up in a dictionary of First names recently...ah I understand you've got it bad;-) I know he's not a usual cast member but for my sake couldn't they have mentioned him as a special guest. As for the SIL premier hubby thinks I'm mad watching it when I've got it on video,What he doesn't know is that I got it on pay-per-view as well,well it does save my bought copy! (Eileen) Ooh, I was only teasing,oops I do seem to have left my sense of humour elsewhere while reading that article;-)I would like to believe that it's only publicity but perhaps it could have been better written. 'thrust( know you like that word) I had hoped that nobody would notice my dirty mind.But since you've given me leave it does conjour up some pleasant thoughts,Firth's thrusting press-ups thrusts him forth,up & in *crash* (Arami)Who was that wanted to fondle something touched by Colin? I can offer two-yes,two-pens and the fingers of my right hand. Life's so unfair now thrust them in my direction so I can have a fondle!

You want to fondle my hand??? I knew that was asking for trouble...

Welcome Octavia! It is nice to have a place like this isn't it. Keep hearing that Cheers tune: "You want to go where everyone knows his name". That is the lyric, isn't it? I've been wondering when Blackadder would surface. I didn't realize that Richard Curtis was on the original writing team. My respect just went way up! But how does that explain his descent into Hugh Grant films?(That nasty comment was for your enjoyment Judy ;-)) It's a bit like going from Monty Python to Three's Company. Oh horrors, you don't suppose...But cannot imagine Colin as Jack! Wow, I could speculate more here, but is not BJD board, so I won't. (Three's Company was the stupider American version of Man About the House. I ought to know, I watched every episode.) Well Judy, I've had my share of bad luck in my life, but a few miles from ODB and you didn't know it! What cruel twist of fate is this! And (she says with knifeblade firmly in hand) he was Singleton at the time --- aside from torrid affair --- but we all know how that ended.

Perhaps fondling my hand could help?

(Arami)You want to fondle my hand???I knew that was asking for trouble...no trouble would be if I told you I wanted to do unmentionable/unpardonable things with it just because Colin has touched it,if we ever meet just don't shake hands with me I might not let go;-D Sadie don't hesitate go & speculate over on BJD (I didn't mean that to rhyme) (Sadie) 'he was Singleton at the time' cruel,cruel woman I had forgotten about that-you're not just holding that knife you're twisting it as well!

LOL Arami, me or Judy?

well I seem to have problems with people getting there first. Are you still offering me your hand now you know what I'm going to do with it?

oops its happened again!I'm not quick enough!

I nevah offered you my hand! *snort* But I do have a knife. Although, you can't have it until I'm well out of the room! D

I don't want you hand you've never touched him! And as for that knife Arami might want it to use on me!

LOL Arami, me or Judy? Either of you - you both seem fond of fondling. do unmentionable/unpardonable things...just because Colin has touched it,if we ever meet just don't shake hands with me... LOL! This is getting pathological... especially the bit about doing unmentionable things with one's hand - REGARDLESS of the fact that Colin (AND the Queen :-)) touched it...

Welcome Octavia, stick with us! Congratulations on your grandson's birth, Jenny!

From Anne R.--Fever Pitch has indeed been held over for a third week at the Cinema Arts Theatre in Fairfax, Va. Showtimes are 12:30, 2:30, and 7:15.

Proceeds from the "Speaking with the Angel" audio tape and book go to Tree House, a charity for autistic children. I think there is a special school in Camden or Islington called/or funded by Tree House, which gives one to one attention to severely autistic children. There have been so many posts that I can't remember where to go to cut and paste! But, briefly.. Re. the name "Colin"... perhaps regarded as rather old fashioned now, not very "cool." I remember that in HF's original BJ interview with CF in the "Independent", she asked him "Has it been a disadvantage in your career being called Colin?" He replied that his parents had wanted to call him Andrew but they couldn't because his cousin was called Andrew. This bit of the interview was not included in "The Edge of Reason"! Perhaps his middle name (but does he have one?) is Andrew. "Firth" is definitely, absolutely West Yorkshire in origin. Colin is very popular in Scotland (ditto Andrew). Re. the body workout. It's great that he'll be so fit, but why did the producers think he needed to lose a stone in weight? He's rake thin already... and why does a top human rights London barrister need pecs? I sometimes suspect that Big Movie producers aren't as appreciative of CF's major assets (eyes, voice etc) as they should be...!!! They seem to need to turn him into a leading man "clone". But super fitness would be very useful for the "Maid of Buttermere". Hatfield exercises every morning, concentrating on the chest and arms...and he drives a coach and four (horses), which takes tremendous skill and strength! Great to have so many new contributions...the board is really humming!

The Blackadder Back and Forth movie-let will be on Sky One on October 1. Now, remember, ladies, Colin appears twice so don't blink your eyes toward the end. ;-)

Karen thanks for the info but October 1,thats not what I'd call coming soon.They've been showing clips for a few days now,I'm surprised & disappointed at that date even though they're showing it earlier than first suggested. Don't worry Karen I'll have it taped & probably every repeat taped as well so there's no chance of me missing him.

Best Wishes to you and your family, Jennie, on the arrival of that small bundle, Samuel. Welcome Octavia. I hope you find the discussions interesting.

That film was awfully cute on the biiiiig Dome screen. It might be a little "Laurel and Hardyish" on the telly. Why don't you go see it at the Dome, Judy? Can't be that far. Nothing is in England. (We're talking Pennsylvania, folks!)

(Evelyn)Can't be that far. Nothing is in England. LOL everything's far to the English,didn't you Know? We only travel a few miles & we have to stay over night!

(Judy) everything's far to the English,didn't you Know? My cue to post this week's lucky winners in the "Relative Values Is Playing in My Backyard" sweepstakes: 1. UCI 6, High Wycombe 2. Elite Cinema, Leyburn 3. UCI 10, Preston 4. Dundee Contemporary Arts Centre, Dundee 5. mac, Birmingham 6. Hull Screen, Hull 7. MacRoberts Arts Centre, Stirling 8. Town Hall, Haverhill 9. Chapter Arts Centre, Cardiff 10. Corn Exchange, Wallingford

Aaagh!So near & yet so far.

(Judy)LOL everything's far to the English,didn't you Know? We only travel a few miles & we have to stay over night! So drive 25 miles and spend the night;-)) *evelyn who drives 100 miles RT for a Baskin-Robbins cone!!* lucky winners in the "Relative Values Is Playing in My Backyard" sweepstakes The winners are Ann W. and Aishling who consistently go to London to see all of Colin's films.....and don't spend the night! Way to go! If he had more fans like that in the UK his last three films wouldn't have tanked.

(Evelyn) If he had more fans like that in the UK his last three films wouldn't have tanked.An over simplification, I think the films tanked before they were ever shown,bad press,limited distribution etc. I've not seen his last 3 films & I consider myself to be a long-time & v.loyal fan but circumstances mean you can't always do things you want to do.I envy & applaud Ann W. & Aishling for doing what they do.

Thanks for pointing us to the "lardy" article, Arami. I couldn't help laughing out loud at the absurd (to us anyway) description of the pre-buff Colin. (Judy) Whoever wrote that caption"Pride & Podginess:Plump Darcy was still a sex symbol" needs their eyes testing(oops I don't mean about the sex symbol part)....Can't you tell it was written by a jealous man. (Eileen) However, there he is, displaying his trademark arm drape (notice no shoulder clutch--gesture obviously reserved for females *or* triceps are now too big ;-))....Keep your eyes peeled for 'Body by Cornel' videos. (Mari) Mr. Darcy "podgy?" Sorry, but he looked a helluva lot better than Cornel Then you ladies really set me off 'til tears were starting to form. (Tracy) One thing that struck me ( apart from the apalling dress sense which we all adore him for) was that he is much taller than he seems on screen and appears only to willing to profer a strong arm round the shoulder/neck of the unsuspecting Firthette. Unexpected but by no means unwelcome :-~~~ Was just starting to sober up reading Tracy's lovely and oh-so-accurate description of meeting Colin in the flesh until... (Judy) Did he touch your neck,oh tell me he didn't I couldn't cope-this neck touching of his must be a subliminal message to all his fans. No neck palpating here, darn it, but am having great pleasure thinking what he might be trying to tell us... (1)"Repeat after me, my name is Colin Firth. Mr. Darcy is just a character I played." (2)"Ignore the podgy face and flabby belly. Go home and tell all my fans how lean and lanky you think I am." Let me add my welcome to Jennie and Octavia. Hope you keep coming back.

Did I hear someone mention his neck.I am always available for a necking session:-)

(Judy)I think the films tanked before they were ever shown,bad press,limited distribution etc. Puhleez... RV opens in 80 theatres....Tons of media coverage SLOW opens at BFI at LFF & the Ritzy in Brixton.(I wanna medal for that one!) Billboards all over the tubes...played in Manchester, Bristol,along with London. MLSF Beeeg premiere. Even poor Cherie 'days before delivering' showed up. ...An over simplification, Pffft.

Evelyn,Pffft. Ditto My area MLSF no show (Cherie's presence is not going to pull the crowds in)If its not shown in a main city like Manchester thats not going to help either RV 2 weeks only SLOW 1 week only What publicity there was put people off! Plus & I don't like saying it CF's apathy over interviews etc ,he's not that well known to everybodyapart from his fans.

,he's not that well known to everybody apart from his fans. Wot? Ten million people watched the last episode. Ten Million f******people ;-) ;-)

I'm afraid that people easily forget especially in a nation of TV watchers where unless you're seen regularly you soon become a distant (but pleasant) memory.In those films that did well over here,TEP & SIL,people weren't always aware he was even in it because he looked so different from Darcy:-) I've talked to friends abouts CF & all they can say is who?When I reply Darcy its a case of oh he was gorgeous but he's not done anything since.I could scream & so probably could you but then we're on thesame side even though we like to exchange our different views:-D

*the following is all in a nonaccusatory tone* (Judy) What publicity there was put people off! What do you mean by this? And for which movie? RV had tons of publicity for a British film. They pulled out all the stops on that one. CF's apathy over interviews etc ,he's not that well known to everybodyapart from his fans. Granted, Colin doesn't appear on your morning talk shows, but he did all those print interviews at the time of MLSF's and RV's premieres and the full-color spreads of him in the Observer, The Times (cover of mag), The Telegraph, The Guardian, and Evening Standard couldn't have been any bigger or better looking!

They were hardly rave reviews,there might be the odd decent one but most were dicey.RV's publicity was due in part to the Julie Andrews factor. SLOW probably had the least publicity of the three, Opinions like"Shown on Sunday night television it might pass muster for its attractive Scottish scenery" & "But Colin Firth is stiff (appeals to me!) uneasy and miscast" didn't help MLSF. As for the papers you mentioned they don't have a massive readership against the tabloids so the publicity wasn't as wide reaching as it could have been. 'nonaccusatory tone' LOL we were only having a friendly discussion weren't we Evelyn?

Re film publicity I agree with Judy this has not been good over here. Even though I am a great fan until I was logged onto the internet sites I had great trouble tracking down his films. Obviously there was no problem with TEP and SIL but others........ Even missed the first showing of 3DOR because it was not publicised widely enough; eventually heard of it via my friend in Australia when it was all over!! Tried to get to see ATA in London but the run was so short and could not get any info about any other showings. Same with SLOW. Was lucky enough to see MLSF in London but again very poor publicity and not enough exposure in the regional cinemas (although it certainly desrved a wider audience, even my husband said how good it was and could not understand why it was not shown nationwide. As for RV, I was lucky and saw it 3 times, once at the premiere and twice locally. However, my daughter who also wanted to see it did not have it showing anywhere near here and being in the last stages of pregnanc was not able to travel too far afield.

Forgot to say that in respect of RV (alsoSLOW and MLSF) no publicity in the underground by way of posters. I believe it was mentioned somewhere this was because of the tight budget. Great mistake. I mean what else have people to do while going up and down the escalators but look at the posters!!!

Ah thanks Jennie they were beginning to pick on me *giggle,giggle*

and I'm sorry guys, but Jennie and Judy are right, Colin "who" my friends say, it is probably his chameleon qualities but people just do not recognise him. he is too good an actor, not just playing himself over and over again like some actors I could mention. Unless you are a fan you might not even notice the print interviews, he needs to do TV interviews like JE did for TYL. If he did I am sure he would be huge in the UK, who could resist that voice, those eyes, those dimples, need I go on!

LOL we were only having a friendly discussion weren't we Evelyn? Gee..I hope so...(it's too hot to fight....104 degrees F. guys, whew *wiping brow*....) Firstly TEP and SIL don't count. They weren't his films...neither will BJD. He's 3rd down .Only the "starring CF" count... Ah thanks Jennie they were beginning to pick on me Aw Judy, we don't pick on anybody around here... And my old buddie Ann W. is on your side and she knows me now for eons. (Jennie)n respect of RV (alsoSLOW and MLSF) no publicity in the underground by way of posters. You missed 'em Jenn..I was there and saw them all over the tube stations.Colin in the tomatoes...Even hand carried one back for the boss...haven't you seen it on Spring? (Jennie)Tried to get to see ATA in London but the run was so short and could not get any info about any other showings. Same with SLOW ATA...Looks 10...story/accent 3. Slow: Too bad you didn't know us in January ...Spring got a private showing of SLOW in London at Mr Young's private theatre. Twenty six of us...That was great fun...the boss arranged it.Forked over 300 UKP initally til we shook people down as they came in....hey, they even got a SLOW poster. What a hilarious day...it went on'n on too into the night. This is a baaad crowd I can tell ya ;-) Anyway...If Arami is the Court Jester...I'm the CF Film Pusher around here...I take car loads to his films...help friends get theatre tickets...cart tapes to London so Europe fans can get them converted...we even goaded poor Susan to take her life in her hands and drive to the MLSF premiere two years ago in Rhode Island. (That's on my conscience....)So you see...you're gettin off easy...;-))

Now I hate to upset any Londoners out there but it really doesn't matter how many posters there were in the underground,there is more to England than London,its a well known fact in Manchester just in case anybody is unsure where I get my info from:-) I was using TEP & SIL to illustrate my point about him being relatively unknown,BJD I agree is not his film but I do have higher hopes for it-the gd looking hero bit & all that-obviously HG's presence could spoil that,his is the better publicity machine after all. Ann.yes Colin is too gd an actor,his ability to disguise himself does seem to work against him in England.At the moment he does seem to be limiting himself to film work but that leaves us wide open to those unmentionable actors such as ex-soap stars & Robson Greene*snort* who no matter how many different programmes they are in always manage to be the same character.Unfortunately the less TV workhe does the less recognisable he becomes,TV is reallythe only way to get your face known here.

I agree, where oh where is Donovan Quick!!Quick. Armadillo will be good for him I am sure, especially with Sue B. at the helm.

If Arami is the Court Jester... LOL! we even goaded poor Susan to take her life in her hands and drive to the MLSF premiere two years ago in Rhode Island. (That's on my conscience....) She survived it, surely? Ah, the frustrations of adoring a don't wannabe a star... I firmly believe - and I jest not - that Colin would much prefer to remain semi-anonymous and be noticed mainly as a character in a film or play. "The Darcy hysteria" has seriously affected this delicate balance between the public and the private aspects of his professional life. Up until then he had considered himself a successful actor (and success can be measured in various ways) who also enjoyed a life as close to normal as possible. Suffice it to say that his private address was openly available and freely accessible on the internet up until the (relatively recent) time when he moved from Hackney to Islington. This aspect of normality can't continue any longer and he has to pay a much closer attention to protecting his privacy. I honestly don't think that he is really happy and grateful to "the Darcy episode" for this. Now, we may well cry our pretty little eyes out hoping for a mega-great fame and earth-shattering world-wide recognition for Col n but - think again (we've discussed it before) - does Colin really want it?

.... think again (we've discussed it before) - does Colin really want it? By his own admission, ...he wants the 'bread'($$$), and the big parts, and the respect....he wants it all. (Do you blame him?)...It's unrealistic to think that you can have all of that without the liabilities of fame.He doesn't like the "Darcy episode" because it put him in a purely physical stature (hunk) not admired for his acting skills. But if he's happy just sloshing along...it's OK with me. Just quit belly-aching that he's not getting the parts he wants.(RF parts).

Publicity is paid for or arranged by the movie's makers. It is not reviews, which you've cited. Publicity in the form of television adverts is the most costly form. The company that distributed SLOW couldn't possibly have paid for that. Alliance Atlantis, which had RV, did a great deal. All those interviews in the papers were arranged by the movie people as the most cost-effective way of getting their movie into the public's eye. Since the tabloids are not respected for their journalistic integrity, why would (1) anyone expect stars to agree to be interviewed for them and (2) why do you place any emphasis on what's in them? (Jennie) Tried to get to see ATA in London but the run was so short It was a crappy movie and tanked in the US, so why would you expect it to play in the hinterlands of England? (Judy) there is more to England than London I can understand what you're saying as many films do not go beyond NY and LA. If they don't make it there, they're not seen ANYWHERE (except on the shelves of Blockbuster in three months). If a film doesn't make it in London, where presumably people do read those *other* papers (otherwise, why are they still in business), they aren't going to be playing in the provinces. I look at what's in your multiplexes and feel ill. All you have to do is read about your movie Croupier. Its history is an embarrassment. Go rent it. (Judy) Unfortunately the less TV work he does the less recognisable he becomes, TV is really the only way to get your face known here. If one accepts the premise that the English do not go to movies, then I guess it's true. Sorry, but I can't accept that kind of secondary status for him. And I don't care what he's said in the past. To paraphrase Sarah in FP, "I don't want the same thing as I did 18 years ago."

(Bethan)I sometimes suspect that Big Movie producers aren't as appreciative of CF's major assets (eyes, voice etc) as they should be...!!! They seem to need to turn him into a leading man "clone". That's because most of them are men. V. huge gap between what they think women in audience will find sexy in men and what people have said they find sexy about CF. IMHO, his natural virility is not something that can be faked. It takes sexy, sensual women to spot it, and appreciate it! (Arami)Either of you - you both seem fond of fondling. Who, moi? I nevah said a word about your hand. So the Queen touched it, eh? Watch out for her fans!

Hmmm, I see the debate rages on about CF and publicity. I don't live in England, so I have nothing useful to contribute about that in particular. But Karen is right. If a film doesn't make it in a major city here, it ends up at the video store quickly. I think most people are too busy to attempt to track down a film, even if there is decent publicity. It's got to reach a critical mass before average people can "hear" it over the noise of all that other news & information. It's different if we're already fans of a particular actor or filmmaker. But even then, it's easy to miss a film with a short run. And, I have to second Judy's observation. I know a lot of people who have no idea who CF is, even though they saw P&P!

(Arami)I honestly don't think that he is really happy and grateful to "the Darcy episode" for this. Now, we may well cry our pretty little eyes out hoping for a mega-great fame and earth-shattering world-wide recognition for Colin but - think again (we've discussed it before) - does Colin really want it? I know I wouldn't want it, so I don't blame him if he doesn't. I would like to see him make some more good movies though --- and really use his talent. I think Evelyn has a point, that perhaps it gets more difficult to find good roles/be offered them if you're not seen as steadily climbing to new heights of fame. Or perhaps one could find good roles, but the $$$ wouldn't be there.

(Karen) All those interviews in the papers were arranged by the movie people as the most cost- effective way of getting their movie into the public's eye. Interesting then that they chose broadsheets as opposed to tabloids in which to publicize their film. They knew that the film only had limited appeal,Isn't that the same as preaching to the already converted I'm not saying that you don't promote a film in these papers because you don't ignore your main audience base,but neither should they ignore the tabloids.The likes Of The Daily Mail & even The Daily Express are not as bad as the Star/Sun.But in the first two the his films are, in the main,relegated to the "also showing "section.(God forbid he should ever be so desparate to do an interview in The Sun:-) Go into any newsagent/supermarket in England & the tabloids are stacked high.The likes of The Times/ Telegraph have fewer copies & The Observer/Ind haveeven less.I think it was Ann who said that his interviews weren't easily noticeable unless you were looking for them.That combined with low circulation papers doesn't help his cause. (As to how these papers survive,well some of them have struggled in the past.I'd check out their business plans for you but I wouln't know what I was looking at:-)) Sadie made a valid point 'it's got to reach a critical mass before average people can "hear" it over the noise of all that other news & information.' I think that holds true in this case.We had a glut of interviews in a short space of time & that seems to have deceived people into thinking that RV was well publicized but it didn't come across to me in thatway & I was looking for it.

(Judy) They knew that the film only had limited appeal, Isn't that the same as preaching to the already converted No. Look at the gazillions of dollars of promotion spent for the big-budget films, the Star Wars films, the Dumber Than Dirt films, etc. Their audiences are already converted and cannot wait to part with their money. RV was publicized quite a bit. Why would anyone really expect CF to be the spokesperson for the film. He had a supporting role. From my reading of the play, the character of Crestwell was larger and I would've expected Stephen Fry to be front and center. Julie Andrews was the star and she appeared on your telly shows and gave the interviews. By your own admission, you all don't go to films, especially your own, so really why would promotion via the tabloids (even the less evil ones) mean anything??

To be perfectly clear... All I want is for CF to be the lead in better movies. However, to be in those better movies, he has to be recognized as an actor people want to see. If he was only motivated by a steady paycheck, IMO he would've packed it all in and signed on to do a series on your telly by now.

Apart from TV advertising the papers are the main means of promoting films,at certain times of the year in England all the film shows disappear off screen.The main one Film 2000 is on v.late,has no set day & has one of the most annoying presenters. Brit films are mainly passed over quickly.The other film review shows are presented by people barely out of their teens & therefore tend to be watched by the same age group.Film shows don't have high audience figures so you can't rely on them for promotion. I've no idea why so much pointless money was spent on promoting Star Wars etc but RV,SLOW & MLSF needed more publicity to reach more people if TV advertising was a no-go then they did need to use the papers to spread the word.You cannot rely on a few high quality papers with low readership to do the job.If there was more publicity in the tabloids then at least more people would be aware of them. Nobody expected CF to be the spokesman for RV,I've said before any publicity was related to the JA influence.Being made a Dame at the same time gave a rather staid appearance.She did appear on some showsI only saw one,it was an afternoon show where the majority of viewers are going to be of a certain age group,who aren't cinema goers,& who are more interested in The Sound Of Music. (The other 2 films had v.little publicity,obviously JA wasn't in them) I was using the papers to back up my point that the UK fans can't be held entirely responsible for the failure of his films.If they're not aware of them,if they are not given proper distribution,if they only have short runs then bums on seats are going to be lost. *tongue hanging out* my god what do you want from me, blood? :-D

Sorry Karen I didn't see your follow on post.I too want to see CF as the male lead in better films. The 3 films we've been talking about don't have broad appeal here or I presume in America? He's an intelligent man,he's been in the business long enough so he must know that the films he chooses to do haven't got what it takes to attract the crowds or inthis the country critical acclaim needed to get offered better roles. Maybe he thinks BJD will help to resolve this problem I hope so for our & his sake. We do have a problem with critics in this country & all this early publicity is going to ensure it will be under even more scrutiny than is usual.His other films have managed to slip through pretty much unnoticed due to lack of publicity perhaps:-) but BJD won't be able to. I would be quite happy for him to do more TV work in order to make him more recognizable:-)But even then he has to chose carefully,I look forward to DQ but i'm unsure how successful its going to be.One-off dramas are easily forgotten.A series would at least keep him in the public eye for a while.

Will settle for kidney. Did you not read the cover story in the Sunday Mail about critical shortages in organ donation? ;-)

It's yours,whatever you want! Sunday Mail? I'm a CF fan I don't read tabloids:-) Only joking!

According to the Times today ITV are going to remake THe Forsyte Saga, CF would be an excellent Forsyte to JE's Irene, and that would keep him in in the public eye. Six episodes next year, six the year after and if it does well six in 2003. (The original made stars overnight of Eric Porter and Nyree Daen Porter)

Sorry just realised the scenario won't work, filming is to start early next year and JE will be on Broadway, oh well perhaps she can play Fleur, who comes into the story later on. Sorry if this is sort of OT.

CF and JE, JE and CF... This is becoming a little unhealthy.

Just to say, briefly, that I agree with all the points that Judy has made! Most people in the UK read one newspaper, if at all, don't access the Internet, and film distribution/movie mags/movie programmes on TV/Sky movies/Breakfast TV interviews etc are all geared to the under 25 market. The only films that make an impact are the big Hollywood movies, and the very occasional Brit "comedy". It would have been possible, if you didn't read the right paper, to be totally unaware of SLOW, MLSF and RV, but impossible not to be aware of Mission Impossible 2 or the latest George Clooney movie. Tom Cruise, George Clooney, Madonna make the front pages. Also our critics invariably savage British movies, so that even if awareness is raised, the movie is then killed stone dead by the "Worst movie ever made in the history of film" sledgehammer. Which is why, I think, whilst really wanting Colin to be successful internationally in the movies, we'd like to see him also taking the much safer line of doing more TV work! (Sorry to return to this yet again!!). It's just that in the UK, first-rate TV drama, especially a multi million budget series, does make an impact at par with an Oscar winning movie, and gains more popular and critical regonition for actors (internationally as well as in the UK). And TV critics are kinder and much more supportive. I'd love to see CF playing Soames, and having the opportunity to develop a character over many hours of screentime, and JE as Irene would be marvellous. 4th billing in a Mike Binder movie can't compete!! It's 5 years since Darcy..we need another fix! (I know he's playing Mark Darcy, but will Hugh Grant take a back seat?..I doubt it!)

http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_33383.html Does this link work. Apparently George Clooney was offered the role of Will in Nick Hornby's "About a boy"...which just shows how strong the competition is for lead romantic roles in a Hollywood movie!

If there was more publicity in the tabloids then at least more people would be aware of them. My gawd, I had no idea the people in the UK only read those trash sheets. Aside from Baz, I wouldn't line the garbage can with them... I shall be v. glad as a JE fan to get The Forsythe Saga casting settled. Eighteen episodes? That's a sentence.You know how many years that puts an actor out of commission for other roles? The original made stars overnight of Eric Porter and Nyree Daen Porter) Who are these people anyway?....Never heard of them. ...gains more popular and critical regonition for actors (internationally as well as in the UK) What happened to the Ten Million f******people who watched P&P. Don't they remember? Are they idiots?

My gawd,I had no idea the people in the UK only read those trash sheets & I wouldn't line the garbage can with them... What happened to the Ten Million f******people who watched P&P. Don't they remember? Are they idiots? Have I not managed to explain enough?

(Judy) Have I not managed to explain enough? Oh yes, we understand. The Ten Million are off reading about the three-headed alien who is rumored to have fathered Madonna's newest child. ;-)

CF JE JE CF This is becoming a little unhealthy I'm sorry I don't understand, what is unhealthy in JE & CF working together again, if it worked so well the first time, I would also like to see JE work with SD again in the future, is that unhealthy as well. Two favourite actors of mine Ingrid Bergman & Gregory Peck have worked together in many films and they were excellent.

I wouldn't use the term unhealthy, but I doubt we'll ever see CF and JE working again...maybe when they're old and grey and it'll be looked on as a cute bit of PR when they're cast as Mr and Mrs Bennet in another P&P. In the past, when the studios had stars under contract, they liked to promote those pair-ups and they controlled their careers. Nowadays, the stars call their own shots. Very few like to reprise such relationships. It took 10 years to bring Julia Roberts and Richard Gere back together for Runaway Bride (and I wish they hadn't because RB had none of the charm of the first). BTW, I agree with the final line in The Times article about the Forsythe Saga. Mistake.

Soames Forsythe was an unpleasant character, IMHO. He raped his wife, and was prepotent. Do you really want ODB to play this guy?

Gi, Well yes I would like to see CF play Soames, he can't always play sympathetic characters and he is only acting and Eric Porter who played him before, is or was a very respected actor. Karen, I guess I will have to dream about CF & JE acting together again, I think you have a point.

Ann I understand what you mean about CF & JE. For a while after P&P I could imagine them working together on all sorts of different projects.But now I feel it would spoil what they created together on P&P, it's best to remember them as they were.

I guess your right Judy. BTW is it The Forsythe Saga or as in The Times, The Forsyte Saga, have no read the book?

It is Forsyte, Ann, as you and The Times (that useless broadsheet) wrote. Looked wrong to me, but what do I know... ;-)

I guess I will have to dream about CF & JE acting together again, I don't even want to dream about it. Who said: "You can't catch lightning in a bottle twice?" That's past tense. You want Colin to play Soames?....get Ruth Gemell to play Irene. Jennifer is off to the races..

Well, I see you're all had a busy weekend here.:-) Interesting discussion and some very good points made. I won't repeat what others have said, but . . . --IMO, CF just isn't doing the type of work that the general public wants to see. I'll be cautiously optimistic and say that perhaps BJD is a conscious attempt on his part to change things. --Without enthusiasm from the general public to see a particular actor, films do not get wide distribution (of course, there are a few exceptions). Without wide distribution the average filmgoer isn't going to go out of his or her way to see a film. --P&P was almost 5 years ago. Audiences have moved on. I know from fans in other places that many are simply no longer turned on by the majority of his role choices since then, and frankly I can't blame them. 3DOR gave those of us lucky enough to see it a boost. --Someone I think made the point that CF doesn't want the fame and loss of privacy that comes from higher profile work. Maybe. If that's the case, then he has certainly made a major tradeoff in terms of sacrificing professional challenge and satisfaction. Still, somehow I can't picture Colin saying, "oooh, this Geoffrey Clifton is much more interesting than Almasy--I'll go for that role." And we know he wanted to play Shakespeare in SIL. There's a big part of me still that hopes he hasn't "settled."

I think we're going to have to beg to differ here! In the nicest possible way of course. :-) I actually read the Forsyte Saga (all three volumes!) for the first time a few years ago, so it's still relatively fresh in my mind. IMHO Soames could be a terrific role...a successful lawyer, flawed, unsympathetic at first (okay he forces his conjugal rights on his wife, but you can see why he does it) but tragically lonely, and then re-finding himself through his love of his daughter. I just don't see roles like this in the cinema (certainly not current British movies!). B-u-t, I do so agree, an 18 part series is way, way too long, and very type-casting, and I don't particularly want to see CF as the older wrinkly Soames. But Soames apart,I can really appreciate why CF wants to be regarded as a character actor...that's where all the really interesting work lies. And he doesn't have to lose a stone in weight (too,too thin!) to get the parts.

(Mari) IMO, CF just isn't doing the type of work that the general public wants to see. I'll be cautiously optimistic and say that perhaps BJD is a conscious attempt on his part to change things. Agree, agree. A year ago (OK, up to a few short months ago), I was convinced CF wouldn't take on the MD role and that he'd continue his pursuit of quirky characters (i.e., masturbatory village idiots) in obscure films or TV programs which gather dust on the BBC shelves. Taking on the whole Darcy thing head-on tells me alot. Goody, goody, FP continues to play! Will take another ride down the Beltway this week. Don't want to go into FP withdrawl....hey, Ev, want to take a ride? We have Baskin Robbins around here so you can kill two birds with one stone ;-)

....hey, Ev, want to take a ride? We have Baskin Robbins around here so you can kill two birds with one stone ;-) LOL I'd love to...but it would be an plane ride..and expensive movie and a cone...but hey, I've been known to cross the ocean for not much more... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` ..that he'd continue his pursuit of quirky characters (i.e., masturbatory village idiots) in obscure films or TV programs which gather dust on the BBC shelves. You forgot to add..."And no one wants to see"....I'd rather see him carrying water for Julie Andrews.

P&P was almost 5 years ago. Audiences have moved on. I know from fans in other places that many are simply no longer turned on by the majority of his role choices since then, and frankly I can't blame them He *has* to give audiences what they want to see, and he has to do more strong dramatic roles which give him screentime (as do most actors of his calibre). He's not made a Hollywood breakthrough (and he should have...other younger British actors are being more successful., without any apparent difficulty), he hasn't starred in a major TV series, he's taking supporting roles in low budget British movies and working for peanuts for regional BBC Scotland. I'm speaking more in sorrow than in anger here....I'd hate to see it all slip away for him. BUT, he's got BJD coming up, which he must promote in the States at least by doing chat shows so that people know who he is (and some TV promotion over here wouldn't go amiss ...everyone (and I mean everyone)does it, and Armadillo (lead role), I hope, and Maid of Buttermere,(again, I hope) which is a lead role and period drama, and maybe the BBC will show DQ at Christmas (if they don't, forget it). Right, I've got that off my chest, and shall probably regret this the instant I've posted it! I just want to see him doing justice to his talents, and want to see him in contention for leading roles.

... maybe the BBC will show DQ at Christmas (if they don't, forget it). They gonna reshow TTOTS;-) ....and want to see him in contention for leading roles. Make up your mind ;-) In the last posting you want him in a supporting character role...Michael Gambon, Robbie Coltrane stuff... Read #136 interview with Alan Cumming. Me? I'm still holding out for Broadway. But I won't go into that because all the self-appointed Drool cops will lash out at me...

(Evelyn) But I won't go into that because all the self-appointed Drool cops will lash out at me... Aw go on you know you can take it:-) :-) I can understand why you want him on Broadway,I would if I lived in America.However it really doesn't mean anything over here,I had to search for news of JE's triumph.but theatre in general means even less than film here.I know JE's signed up for more but has her success led her to a big film role,if it has, then maybe its a route Colin should take to try & get better roles in film.Its just a thought.

Make up your mind ;-) It's leading roles really...I just try and persuade myself into accepting supporting character roles. but what I really, really want is...

This is just speculation, as I don't know how it actually might work, but if he is willing to sacrifice $$$, he could probably get good roles indefinitely in low-budget films by young lesser-known directors, who also happen to be talented. If he's getting paid a few cool million pounds for BJD alone, I find it hard to believe that he needs to worry about money. I tend to agree with Mari that his choices since P&P have, in general, been poor. It's not that they were marginal films, just that they were not great marginal films. Perhaps his problem is that he's hedging his bets, trying to do both mainstream work, such as a tiny role in TEP and more marginal work, such as past great but small films like Hostages, and HotPig) rather than choosing one direction and really focusing.

(Judy)I know JE's signed up for more but has her success led her to a big film role,if it has, then maybe its a route You poor baby...news must travel slowly to your part of England...have you heard of SUNSHINE?With Ralph Fiennes?Quite a hit here. Still playing in UK too..don't know if it reached your corner though... You missed news of the Tony awards on Teletext and the newspapers in UK? And television? LOL they gave more print space for Tony's than for their own Olivier's.She was on the front page of every newspaper....clutching her award. Wasn't she Ann?

Wasn't she Ann? Aye, she was Evelyn! Go to JE's website for the evidence.

But having said that Evelyn, Sunshine was before Broadway, I hope she gets a film on the back of the Tony's whilst she is still remembered and doesn't take 6months holiday as someone who shall remain nameless often does!! I too would love to see Colin on Broadway, but he seems quite comfortable in London at the moment.

I was enquiring whether she had landed any big film roles since her tony so no Sunshine doesn't count andno I didn't see much news about her at the time, obviously must have been asleep for the day.

Having been a wee bit critical of ODB's career choices, I can't help but wonder how much choice he sometimes has. After "P&P" he said that he was worried because work temporraily dried up. He had an offer of a TV re-make of "The Shining" from the US, and FP, which he said was the best offer from the UK (and was originally destined for TV). Not exactly a floodgate of movie offers. And after SLOW he had a longish period before doing SIL and then 3DOR. I've noticed that in interviews well-known British actors often say they have no idea what they're doing next and are sometimes "resting". IMHO, Darcy could have been a double-edged sword...he was in effect "typecast" for a while. I think now that things are more than okay...he's hopefully going to do some varied and contrasting lead roles, and I was pleased to see him mentioned in connection with the BBC politico-drama. Anyway, enough, I think, from me on this! It was Soames that set me off!

Well I've checked out JE's website but can't find mentioned articles so this poor baby would appreciate a pointer in the right direction !

Judy, I can't find any either, sorry, I really thought they were there but take my word for it, The Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times and Evening Standard definitely reported it with pictures (also Anonova PA Newagency) and no doubt you could search papers. There is however, on JE's website an article or an interview with Rosemary Harris from the Daily Mail dated 24th June, 2000 "Joy for Jennifer" which mentions the Tony Awards quite a lot, a very nice interview. There really was more about the Tonys than The Olivier Awards which does seem a little strange.

Thanks for looking Ann,I did make a point of looking in the papers at the time & saw v.little, the papers you mentioned are the ones you would expect to report on this sort of news.I did read an interview with RH but I've got it in my mind as being before the awards, but unlike CF articles.I don't keep the ones on JE so it's probably the one you mentioned. The Olivier coverage was poor I agree.

Normally, I'd put this article on 136 but... http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/hottx/review.html?in_review_id=306621&in_review_text_id=250631 I read this, the one about David Morrissey with his own production company, the never-ending offers made to HG and RF and shake my head.... I too am hoping that BJD will turn into something great for CF. But don't expect him to do the talk shows in the US. He will have to make an impact first, then he'll get invited as both Rupert and Jude were after they stole the show on My Best Friend's Wedding and Ripley, respectively. The stars of those movies appeared during the premiere week on the talk shows. These guys showed up a week or so later. By popular demand.

(Bethan) He *has* to give audiences what they want to see, and he has to do more strong dramatic roles which give him screentime (as do most actors of his calibre).He's not made a Hollywood breakthrough (and he should have...other younger British actors are being more successful, without any apparent difficulty)... He may not have made a Hollywood breakthrough because: a) He's loathe to work outside the UK, if does, he goes no farther than the south of France. b) He has yet to prove that he can convincingly play an American. Sad but true, the most successful British actors in Hollywood films are the ones who can play Americans. Even Ralph Fiennes played an American in "Quiz Show". I do think that CF found something disconcerting about "Darcy Mania". I think that, knowing what he knows now, if he could do it all again -- he would not play Fitzwilliam Darcy. To me, it seems he would love to have back the career he had before "Pride and Prejudice". He was a successful and respected film actor, whose chameleon-like qualities were seen as an asset. He may feel that being so closely associated with a particular role has prejudiced the way producers and directors view him. Also, a hugely successful turn in a period drama can be the kiss of death insofar as being cast in American films. It can be construed as making an actor too mannered, too prissy, and too limited in range to be for serious consideration.

It's unfortunate that ATA did so poorly, because there was a super American cast, although not big box office like Julia Roberts (or so I imagine). (Bethan)Having been a wee bit critical of ODB's career choices, I can't help but wonder how much choice he sometimes has. After "P&P" he said that he was worried because work temporraily dried up. I guess I'm wondering if doing a soso film is worse than doing no film at all for awhile? I honestly don't know. I have to say though, FP was a good enough film --- it should have done well. But hasn't it been mentioned before that those sportsy films don't do well in the U.K. I'm sure a remake in the States will rake in the $$ (especially if they make it about baseball). Dreaded thought, another Kevin Costner vehicle.

Oops, my first comment at #363 was in reference to the article Karen posted and Jude and Rupert's success.

(Judy)I was enquiring whether she had landed any big film roles since her tony so no Sunshine doesn't count andno I didn't see much news about her at the time, obviously must have been asleep for the day. I answer this on #136. This is a Colin Topic and I don't want to take up the bandwith with a topic that belongs somewhere else. (To include chat room stuff...:-D)

TRIBUTE TO MURPH For all the wonderful Colin years that you have given us... We will continue to enjoy the Colin pages that you have kept on the website. Please know that your friends at Spring want you to stay here with us. Many thanks...for the memories....XXX

To Murph Thank you so much Murph for creating such a wonderful website at which all of us have spent many pleasurable hours. I personally must thank you for all your help and encouragement and do hope that you will continue to visit us here at Drool. *hugs* Karen

I'll add my thanks to the above, Murph! You created a marvellous site and it will be very much missed. It really was invaluable. I'm now feeling *incredibly* guilty about making such a negative posting.It's obviously time I went off on holiday, which I am doing in a couple of days. I think the projects CF has coming up are all, at long last, exactly right for him, and just what people want to see him doing. And I think the fact that he's made such an effort to get into shape for BJD means that he's taking it very seriously. NH took $300million worldwide, and I read somewhere that BJD is going to be promoted along BJD lines. So should be very high profile! And I think he *will* do a chat show. He did the rounds for SIL, and he wasn't the romantic hero! Apologies again for sounding so dreadfully dreary (I feel as though I have personally prompted Murph's withdrawal!)...it's been very humid here, and I have a v. low tolerance of humidity. Off to the Lakes!

"promoted along the same lines".Can't even write...definitely need a break!

Gee, Evelyn and Karen, my own graphics! I am touched. Thanks to all of you at Drool for keeping the Colin fires burning bright. You have managed to discover interesting things to say about the man day after day, even when new news is hard to find. Speaking of new news, I feel comfortable in knowing that Karen will keep us up to date: http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/news.html I will certainly continue to check in here, where I feel at home. It was time for me, but you guys keep on trucking!

Many thanks for your wonderful website from me too Murph, please keep continue to keep in touch with us at drool, and again many thanks for all your work. Bethan, I hope you have a wonderful break, that the clouds keep away, and tha you come back strengthened and refreshed.

(Bethan) And I think he *will* do a chat show. He did the rounds for SIL, and he wasn't the romantic hero! He did the press junket in the US and went to the premieres. Am not aware of any talk shows on which he appeared. Breakfast with the Arts is not a talk show.

Hot News!! AnneR has found Fever Pitch playing in Pittsburgh! Here's the not-so-hot review: http://www.post-gazette.com/movies/20000814pitch1.asp Does anybody at Phaedra know what the other is doing?

Here are the details: Cinemagic Denis 685 Washington Road Pittsburgh, PA 15228 (412)343-7300 Showtimes at: (1:00 PM), (3:10), (5:10), 7:30, 9:30 [oooh, 3 bargain matinees]

Murph this is a sad day,yours was the first website on Colin that I ever visited & I have re-visited it everyday since so it was quite a shock when I checked in today!I wish you all the best for the future & thankyou for all your time & effort you put in for the benefit of all his fans.

(Karen) I read this, the one about David Morrissey with his own production company, the never-ending offers made to HG and RF and shake my head.... As do I. Thanks for that article, Karen; I am glad to see the young turks like Ioan and others going for it and not ashamed to say it for fear of what the home press will do to them when they return. They are all doing the "meet and greet" in LA, which makes sense; people have to know who you are. The irony, of course, is that CF is there regularly . . . (Cheryl) He may not have made a Hollywood breakthrough because: a) He's loathe to work outside the UK, if does, he goes no farther than the south of France. Bingo--that's certainly part of the problem. Actors can't afford to cut themselves off geographically; furthermore, I'd give the same advice to American actors. Few films are made on the Hollywood backlot anymore; increasingly, they're also being filmed in Canada, Australia and Europe--wherever the studios will get good crews and a hefty tax break. No actor can sit home and still get the best roles. (Cheryl again) b) He has yet to prove that he can convincingly play an American. Sad but true, the most successful British actors in Hollywood films are the ones who can play Americans. Even Ralph Fiennes played an American in "Quiz Show". Cheryl, are you talking about the accent or something else? Rafe's accent in Quiz Show wasn't that hot, but the film and his performance were so good that nobody cared. Ditto Michael Caine in Cider House Rules. I thought CF did fine in 3 DOR. Anyway, there are many many opportunities in American flilms, regardless of whether he plays American or not. Even a brief look at some American-produced films either due to come out or soon to be in production yields: --Jude Law and Joe Fiennes in Enemy At The Gates --Gary Oldman in The Contender --Winslet and Caine in Quills --Ralph Fiennes in Possession --Daniel Day Lewis in Streets Of NY --Alan Rickman, Richard Harris, Maggie Smith and --yes! Evelyn's fave, Robbie Coltrane--in Harry Potter --Ians McKellan and Holm, in Lord Of The Rings Of course, doing these requires travel to Germany, the Czech Republic, Italy, New Zealand, etc.;-)

What's this? *blinking in disbelief* Murph's outta the Colin b'ness? Why, that's almost as earth-shaking as Eileen moving away from NJ! =8-0 Let me add my thanks for all your hard work over the years. (Karen) He will have to make an impact first, then he'll get invited as both Rupert and Jude were after they stole the show on My Best Friend's Wedding and Ripley, respectively. The stars of those movies appeared during the premiere week on the talk shows. These guys showed up a week or so later. By popular demand. Yes, I can see this. I can also see HG and CF initially appearing together, though I know that's rare--usually the stars split up and do the shows alone. I do think, in light of everything else that's changed about CF in the last year, he'll be willing to do these chat shows. OK, Karen, Pittsburgh is alot closer to Chicago than Virginia is. Planning a road trip? ;-)

Murph, I hardly know what to say except a heartfelt thanks for being an oasis of Firth for news hungry fans the world over, as well as a goldmine for those interested in taking a closer look at the man's work. Your site reflected your class, intelligence, good humor, and generous spirit. I do understand the need to move on, but am glad you'll still be with us now and then. MMMMWAAAAA!!

(Karen) Does anybody at Phaedra know what the other is doing? Nope. Brings to mind that well-known phrase . . . something about a posterior and a hole in the ground.:-(

(Eileen) Pittsburgh is alot closer to Chicago than Virginia is. Planning a road trip? ;-) Hmmm, if Ohio wasn't there, well, maybe. Argh! New, fresh-in-the-mail PIN for American Airlines website e-savers fares does not work, nothing available at US Air or ATA. United cannot even get its planes out of O'Hare these days, so.. Besides, why should I go? Have got brandnew factory sealed videotape of FP. Can watch on telly. Who needs to go out? ;-)

(Mari).... Evelyn's fave, Robbie Coltrane--in Harry Potter LMAO...You girls are cruel. Now if my other heart-throb Michael Gambon were only in a film....my life would be complete;-) (mari)Even a brief look at some American-produced films either due to come out or soon to be in production yields: You forgot one we were sure would go to ODB... John Boorman's "The Tailor of Panama" the british spy thriller based on the novel by John le Carre. The hypcrite...remember when we saw him at the Donmar shaking Colin's hand..."offering him a job"(we were sure...) Instead he gives it to Pierce Brosnan...John isn't so dumb he wants to make money....due out at Christmas from Sony.

(Karen)Besides, why should I go? Have got brand new factory sealed videotape of FP. Can watch on telly. Who needs to go out? ;-) You are too funny, Karen. I hope mine comes today. *evelyn who never thought she would buyanother FP, let alone get excited about it's arrival*

Thanks Ann! Just a bit of news for the UK. I had another shot about finding out about DQ. Rang BBC Entertainment who said it wasn't drama but BBC Films. Rang BBC Films and Eureka! It's listed for Autumn scheduling and will be some time in October/November.

Oh wow Bethan at last,an early,early xmas pressie. well done on the sleuthing front!

He's tall, dark and handsome, looks like Darcy,and he kisses the girl. This *is* giving viewers want they want to see! I'm glad they showing it in the Autumn schedules, where it belongs. Should come out on video, very soon afterwards.

Don't you're getting me all excited.Looking forward to lots of lovely pictures in TV mags & papers.Yes they do normally release the video more or less straight away once its been shown!

I'll have to watch quite a few times because at first I'll just be watching his wonderful face & body & listening to that voice to even notice what else is going on.

Thanks Bethan, excellent news, but I shan't believe it until I see it in the RT.

Thanks Bethan, excellent news, but I shan't believe it until I see it in the RT.

Murph, I was shocked witless to learn you are giving up your site (almost). I always admired the effort, time and talent you put into creating and updating it. I hope whatever you are going to do now gives you a lot of joy. I am glad you plan to keep visiting Drool and hope to see your posts here very often. Thank you :-)

(Bethan) Rang BBC Films and Eureka! It's listed for Autumn scheduling and will be some time in October/November. At last, at last! Suffice to say, when CF does TV in the future, I hope it doesn't take a friggin' year and a half to get the project on the air. (Karen) Besides, why should I go? Have got brand new factory sealed videotape of FP. Can watch on telly. Who needs to go out? ;-) *snort* LMAO! I'm driving to VA (it's something like 20 miles to Fairfax from here--the back of beyond ;-D) to see FP again today...though I expect my factory sealed videotape to be sitting in my mailbox when I return.

(Evelyn) John Boorman's "The Tailor of Panama" . . .remember when we saw him at the Donmar shaking Colin's hand Yep--it didn't mean squat. Besides, this would have required travel to, hmmm, lemme see . . .Panama?;-) Bethan, I'm glad DQ is finally making it onto the schedule. It deserves to be seen.

More background on AAB, from Studio Briefing: After nearly a one-year search, a bankable actor has yet to be signed to appear in the film version of Nick Hornby's best-selling novel, About a Boy. Hornby, whose earlier novel High Fidelity (2000) made it to the screen this year, has told the London Daily Express that the latest star to turn down the lead role is George Clooney. According to Hornby, Clooney told him, "You need someone average. I'm too sexy for your film." The story concerns a man who poses as a single father so that he can join a single parents' group to meet the perfect woman. Hornby says that Clooney remarked that audiences wouldn't believe he would need to join such a group. Last October, trade reports said that Robert De Niro, who is producing the film, was close to signing Hugh Grant for the role. De Niro's original choice reportedly was Brad Pitt, who also turned down the role.

Uhmm, I think, I know someone who could be...erm...average looking... ;-) So bumbling, stumbling Hughie didn't sign up? Strange. Now they're going the American route. Wonder why Tom Cruise wasn't their first choice. Isn't he everyone's?

eek! i just posted something on the BJD board about this.

Yes, the item surfaced last Friday, I believe. We'll put your faux pas down to relocation. You left the Land of the Sane and are back in LaLa Land. ;-) Quite the unattractive spin put on Clooney's supposed words by Mr. Showbiz. Gaah, all Hornby said was that Clooney didn't think he'd be believable as a guy who had to join a Single Parents' group in order to hit on desperate women. And for what it's worth, I agree. He's showing sound judgment.

Gaah!! Just realized this AAB stuff has now infected the Colin board. It's like an epidemic. Back to what belongs here: (Bethan) He's tall, dark and handsome, looks like Darcy,and he kisses the girl. And this is good? You have seen the program? Is your copy very bad? The girl is Katy Murphy, playing Lucy Pannick, who no man will shag with the lights on. ;-)

The girl is Katy Murphy, playing Lucy Pannick, who no man will shag with the lights on. ;-) LOL....Isn't she what some guy would call a "brown bagger"? ~~~~~~~~~~` Got my factory -sealed FP to day:-)Why did they photograph Ruth Gemell with brown hair..when she's a blonde in the film? And Paul's got a haircut ...doesn't look like Paul at all.What a cheap production...they can't even get the video sleeve right.

(Evelyn) Isn't she what some guy would call a "brown bagger"? Argh! I hate those terms...but she is the epitome of Coyote Ugly, especially after eating that dodgy pie. ;-) What a cheap production...they can't even get the video sleeve right. Well, I know what I'd want on the cover, but what did you expect. The UK edition wasn't all that different. Wonder what the American one will look like?

I've never really noticed the difference in her hair colour before,my copy only has a couple of small photos of her.I wonder why they didn't do the publicity photos at the time of filming ,it does reek of that cheap production you mentioned Evelyn. I couldn't see the point of the boys side/girls side videos-I just couldn't see her as crush type material. I'm not sure who Katy Murphy is,the pics I've seen aren't v.clear-anybody know what she's been in before?

IMHO Donovan wants Lucy to think herself beautiful and kisses her cmpassionately. I thought Katy Murphy was "ordinary" looking as opposed to movie star looking, but certainly not ugly. Rather gamin.

(Mari)Besides, this would have required travel to, hmmm, lemme see . . .Panama?;-) Oh, I believe they could film in Portugal ;-) (Bethan)(Lucy...) certainly not ugly. Ugly. Definitely.

Oh no, not ugly, just world-weary, and worn-out with looking after the family all those years. She has a lovely inner-self, I believe and Donovan saw it.

The reason why Donovan kisses Lucy is not the issue. Just let's not give people who haven't seen it the wrong impression. DQ is not some great romance where boy gets to kiss girl in a passionate scene. That's hardly what is going on. BTW, Katy Murphy was wonderful in the role, but gamin is hardly what I'd call the part of Lucy physically. Tired and world-weary are good, Ann. I'd add homely as well.

Bethan)(Lucy...) certainly not ugly. (Gi)Ugly. Definitely. Ditto. Nice, kind, beautiful soul....ugly.

I think Clive in DQ would have described her as suffering from "beauty deficit."

Tossing in my vote: as my DH would say, "she's been hit by the ugly stick." (Karen) The reason why Donovan kisses Lucy is not the issue. Just let's not give people who haven't seen it the wrong impression. DQ is not some great romance where boy gets to kiss girl in a passionate scene. That's hardly what is going on. Most definitely--I would not classify DQ as a romance. (Evelyn)[re: FP]...they can't even get the video sleeve right. Poster prominently displayed outside Cinema Arts Theater in Fairfax, VA is identical to video sleeve. Doesn't bother me!

(Donna) I think Clive in DQ would have described her as suffering from "beauty deficit." *snort* :-)

So can I take it from all this that's she's a dog? I don't want him to get a reputation for kissing ugly women though,he needs to be seen with the gorgeous ones as well.A strange looking Sarah,an ugly Lucy & a podgy Bridget-ah there's hope for me yet!

(Bethan)certainly not ugly I agree. Sometimes I really resent it how the artificial plastic surgery Hollywood standards seem to affect peoples� perception of things, like beauty or ugliness etc. That woman is not ugly or a �dog�, she just looks like most women of her age: wrinkles and a tired face. DQ is a wonderfully realistic film in many ways and so is naturally the heroine of it. And she�s a great actress...but I know that in the American culture good looks and good acting are the same thing ;-)

(Elena) but I know that in the American culture good looks and good acting are the same thing ;-) Sez who? Good looks have nothing to do with acting ability. Everyone knows the only thing that matters is big boobs. ;-) ;-) ;-)

Ah, c'mon, Elena. that's a sweeping generalization and you know it. Besides, nobody said she wasn't a good actress-quite the contrary. Just as a point of reference, I'm thinking back to the actresses nominated for Oscars last year: Hilary Swank, Julianne Moore, Janet McTeer, Annette Bening, Meryl Streep, Catherine Keener, Angelina Jolie, Toni Collette, Chloe Sevigny, Samantha Morton. All attractive ladies, but tell me how many you feel were nominated solely because of their looks and not their performance.

Ooof!! How we Americans view Lucy physically is precisely how she is supposed to be viewed. No more; no less. DQ (Don Quixote) sees Lucy (Dulcinea) as a beautiful lady. She is not in reality. It does take someone like DQ to show her that she can make something of her life. He showed her that she deserved to be loved and that she didn't have to settle for the likes of a Clive. OK, fess up now. [cover your eyes, Judy] Who here didn't experience a wave of revulsion just before the "park the salami" bit when Lucy went in for the kill but Donovan fortunately reared back?

Had Lucy been beautiful, the plot would not have worked.Like Don Quijote and Dulcinea...she had to be ugly in our eyes, but not in his.... Abd Sandy had to be a Sancho Panza! But it's nice to have you with us , Elena ole buddie....and we didn't even have to mention Margaret Thatcher *winkie, winkie* (Judy).A strange looking Sarah In my new video, Sarah is sorta cute....with blonde hair.(Not the brown in the poster...and he's sporting his ATA haircut.)

May I add my congratulations, Jenny. I know I am very late but the 3 or 4 days in the hospital after my hysterectomy turned into 7 days and I am 10 days behind in postings

Am lurking at Drool in the middle of the night! Clearly an addict. Once again, I have no idea what the actor being discussed looks like. A strange looking Sarah,an ugly Lucy & a podgy Bridget-ah there's hope for me yet! LOL Judy! Who here didn't experience a wave of revulsion just before the "park the salami" bit when Lucy went in for the kill but Donovan fortunately reared back? LOL Karen! Don't explain what you mean. I'm eagerly awaiting the scene. ;-)

(Elena)But I know that in the American culture good looks and good acting are the same thing ;-) Ouch! Stereotyped again! Where'd that donut go? Duh, right beside my loaded gun of course! Hmmm, goin' to haf ta git me a bigger flag... right after I buy my third vacation home and a boob job.

(Judy) I'm not sure who Katy Murphy is,the pics I've seen aren't v.clear-anybody know what she's been in before? A few months ago she was in Nature Boy (BBC2) as a nurse to Paul McGann's character and more recently in Fish as a nanny, again with Paul McGann. (Karen) Who here didn't experience a wave of revulsion just before the "park the salami" bit when Lucy went in for the kill but Donovan fortunately reared back? Fessing up.

Mari, Elena's just looking ahead to next year. She has inside information that Carmen Electra's an Oscar shoo-in for her stand out (or was that stand up?) performance in 'Scary Movie'. Harvey's hitting the phones alreay. ;-P (Sadie) Where'd that donut go? Duh, right beside my loaded gun of course! Hmmm, goin' to haf ta git me a bigger flag... right after I buy my third vacation home and a boob job. LMBAAO*! *Lauging My Big American A*s Off

Relative Values, week beginning Aug 18: 1. Plaza, Skipton 2. UCI Merry Hill 10, Dudley 3. Sutton, UCI6, London 4. UCI 10, Telford 5. Hebden Bridge Picture House, Hebden Bridge 6. Orpheus Henleaze, Bristol 7. Hull Screen, Hull 8. Grand Cinema, Clitheroe 9. Tyneside Cinema, Newcastle-upon-Tyne

Sadie, Sadie . . . you violent, shallow, materialistic, vain, buxom philistine. I like your style, kid! LMBAAO! Ah, why are we here but to provide sport for our neighbors . . .or somethin' like that. My last word on the subject (maybe;-): we're not exactly drooling over a homely man here, folks. Yes, he's a wonderful actor--but so is Steve Bucsemi.:-) Off to get my drive-thru rhinoplasty;-)

Oops Karen I couldn't resist I had to take a peek but 'park the salami' yuk.Poor Colin the things he has to put up with for money.'reared back' I don't think that was acting after all that's been said abouther! Aishling thanks for the info but I didn't see it I'm not a fan of the brothers McGann. Anybody got a pic preferably with the salami parked in its own garage. BTW Sadie are we the only two not to have seen DQ? Finish your donut before you answer.

The Italian Institute (39 Belgrave Square, London SW1X 8NX) has a library of 21,000 books, in Italian and English translation. During its September literary season of events, many famous Italian authors (including Dacia Maraini and Alessandro Barrico) will be in London for talks with British authors. In October, Italian and British actors, including Colin Firth, will be giving a series of readings from Italian books. See www.italcultur.org.uk or phone 020-7235 1461 for a programme.

Sorry I've been remiss in answering your query Mari, as to Ralph Fiennes American accent in "Quiz Show". The accent may well have been problemic as he was playing an aritocratic Bostonian. That particular accent is very similar to a British accent, hence the problem for Fiennes. The closer an accent an actor natuarally has, very often the harder it is for him to do. That's one of the reasons why American actors from the Northeast and Upper Mid-West have a hard time learning pretty much any credible Canadian accent. RF's performance was, as you noted, very credible. In that he was believable as an American. Still, I stand by my statement that the most successful actors in Hollywood films; i.e., Minnie Driver, Tim Roth, and Gary Oldman work constantly, can and do play very believable American characters.

Thank you Murph for the time and work which you had put into your "Colin Firth: An Appreciation" website. It was one of the first CF websites I'd found. Thanks again.

(Judy) Sadie are we the only two not to have seen DQ? I'm not sure who Katy Murphy is,the pics I've seen aren't v.clear-anybody know what she's been in *on return from hols* - I'm glad I am amongst some DQ virgins still, eagerly awaiting Autumn showing. Judy, do you remember that extremely bad David Essex 'comedy' vehicle in the 80's - The River (in which ageing popster/gypsy leaves London for the totally believable job as a lock-keeper in a sleepy backwater) well she was the love/hate interest in that (believe also she was in Tutti Frutti). before?

She was in Our Mutual Friend..

(Eileen)*Lauging My Big American A*s Off (Mari)My last word on the subject (maybe;-): we're not exactly drooling over a homely man here, folks. Yes, he's a wonderful actor--but so is Steve Bucsemi. :-)Off to get my drive-thru rhinoplasty;-) LMFLAO *laughed my freshly-liposuctioned ass off, both of you!* An excellent point about our drooling, Mari. You might as well all fess up to being as shallow as me. (Judy)BTW Sadie are we the only two not to have seen DQ? Finish your donut before you answer. (Tracy)*on return from hols* - I'm glad I am amongst some DQ virgins still, eagerly awaiting Autumn showing. I have never been a member of the communist party, and I have never seen DQ (she says as she pledges solemnly on a Bible or something.) But I believe it is time that DQ Virgins throughout the world unite! The donut was particularly great after the Big Mac and the Kentucky Fried Chicken, Judy....Time to warm up my home liposuction kit. Tracy, how was your vacation. Do tell us! Pleeeeeeease!

Colin speaking Italian, Karen? My, my, my! Sort of a fantasy really. Mind immediately jumps to that really bad remake of Devil in the Flesh. Time to run out and buy a piano maybe...or perhaps that low leather lounging chair in CF's house would do for the extreme close-up scene.... BTW, I really have no idea what KM looks like either, Judy. Anyone got a good pic of her? Films mentioned don't ring any bells either.

(Tracy) I'm glad I am amongst some DQ virgins still. Can't remember the last time I could call myself a virgin without being laughed at. I do remember The River Tracy but I can't picture hersomething to do with a hairy,wrinkled David Essex floating before my eyes ( somebody please cure me,a pic of Colin would do) Fran I haven't seen Our Mutual Friend. Has she been in any documentaries? :-) (Sadie)The donut was particularly great after the Big Mac and the Kentucky Fried Chicken. Well if we're not talking about sex we may as well talk about food so make mine a McChicken Sandwich or a Zinger Burger. Sadie you keep to your liposuction kit and I'll exercisewith Colin- in,out,in,out,shake it all about -sung in Italian of course *crash*

(Karen)In October, Italian and British actors, including Colin Firth, will be giving a series of readings from Italian books. I sincerely hope he'll be reading from translations...

Oh I don't. Surely by now he's picked up a fairly creditable accent. Purely supposition, of course, but what else is new. Perhaps Moon bumped into him on her travels and can give us a first-hand account. ;-)

Karen)In October, Italian and British actors, including Colin Firth, will be giving a series of readings from Italian books. And I was concerned about what he would be doing in the fall.... Foolish Antelope ;-))

(Judy)Sadie you keep to your liposuction kit and I'll exercisewith Colin- in,out,in,out,shake it all about -sung in Italian of course *crash* LOL Judy, not sure that the words are what I want drilled at me. (But the Italian would be fine, especially if followed with a great decadent meal and some chianti.) There really are only two subjects, Judy. Sex and food. (Heide) Oh I don't. Surely by now he's picked up a fairly creditable accent. Purely supposition, of course, but what else is new. Perhaps Moon bumped into him on her travels and can give us a first-hand account. ;-) LOL Heide, I'm now wondering about the circumstances in which he practices.You just had to add fuel to my already burning imagination, didn't you? BTW, is there such a thing as Moon-envy? I guess there will be if she bumped into him! Hmmm, bumped....where'd my donut go? (Yes, that is rife with Freudian undertones.) :-D Yes Karen, he's making huge strides in his career now :-)

(Sadie)Yes Karen, he's making huge strides in his career now :-) Karen posted the news article, I'm the eternal optimist;-) (Who knows? There might be a budding Fellini in the audience;-))

Thanks for the Italian posting, Karen! As to what else he's doing in the fall, well...if it's "Armadillo" I guess that will tie him up in the London area for 3 months or so (Quality, co-US productions normally shoot for 4 weeks for each one hours screening...P&P (5 hours) took 5 months. Having just returned from a mini break in the Lakes, I hope he'll squeeze in "Maid of Buttermere"!! Absolutely gorgeous weather, magnificent scenery, and once you're away from the main tourist haunts, almost deserted. They'd have the place to themselves...just point the camera, and go! Saw no signs of any lurking film crews, but we were only in one place! This could be a marvellous film...hope it doesn't get postponed/dropped. Was reading about the "Harry Potter" film. Warner have the rights to all the books and are planning sequels. Any chance of a sequel to BJD, do you think? Did HF sell the rights to TEOR (sorry, this should be at #131, but my PC is very temperamental at the moment!)

Quick hello to all the firthful Firthettes. Just back from Italy and I find new CF and O&E topic! I am afraid I will not have time to catch up on these boards. :-( I hope to be able to join this merry group again soon. A particular hello to Mark. :-)

Welcome back Moon and Bethan! What a bummer--I don't see any sign of Londinium on the Toronto Film Fest list which was announced this afternoon.:-(

Sorry, guys, for having got your hopes up for Londinium at Toronto. :-( (Bethan) They'd have the place to themselves...just point the camera, and go! Scripts are useful things. Having started reading that Butterball novel, my initial reaction is no way, no how. *on bended knees, hoping this goes away*

RE: Londinium. Not your fault, Karen. You didn't write it, direct it, or act in it.;-) Besides hope is a good thing to have . . . once in a while . . .

It would have been a bit too soon anyway,we're used to a few years wait after all ;-)

AndWelcome Back Moon!!!

Welcome back Moon!!! Karen, am curious about the "Butterball" novel (LOL!) Is it really that bad?

Karen, are saying that the Butterball is a turkey?;-)

(Mari) are saying that the Butterball is a turkey?;-) You catch on quickly. ;-)

Hey, why go picking on poor turkeys? That was for you, Mari. Could not resist -D (Judy)It would have been a bit too soon anyway,we're used to a few years wait after all ;-) You see, here is the proof that we are not only DQ virgins, but virtuous as well.

(Sadie) am curious about the "Butterball" novel (LOL!) Is it really that bad? As I said, I haven't finished it, but it does not look v. promising and doesn't look like anything I'd want CF to be in. I must share with you this tantalizing tidbit from Butterball (FYI, the American version of a Bernard Matthews product):Christine came to collect the jug and steaming bowl He made no attempt to flirt with her nor she with him. In another mood he might have been goaded to further efforts by her extremely obvious, even insulting, indifference, but now, if anything, he was inclined to give her credit for it. He was even capable of finding some credit in it for himself: for after all, it proved that he did not have to take every apparently unprotected woman who came into his sights. There was a rough equality between them which pleased him since it ignored and slipped through the magical armour of those clothes, the possessions, the name, the title, the carriage and four, the weight of deference and the history of servility. He was amused to observe that she forced herself to be a blank when she picked up the bowl of pus and blood.Doesn't this whet your appetite for more? Is this horrid prose or what? I can only remember one book that I could not get into, let alone finish. It was London Fields by Martin Amis. But I shall plod along. Way too much scenery. IMO if you want to see the Lake District, go there or watch the Discovery channel.

Further information about the reading from JanetB that she obtained from the Institute (so much for it being in October!): Monday 13 November at 6.30pm - Colin Firth will read from Italian writer Leonardo Sciascia

WELCOME HOME, MOON Monday 13 November at 6.30pm - Colin Firth will read from Italian writer Leonardo Sciascia Thanks Karen and Janet B. a)Who knows about this author...Moon? b) Who in UK is going to go and support Colin in his new venture....hmmmm? ~~~~~~ MOB :Doesn't this whet your appetite for more? I foolishly bought the book from Amazon on the strong rumor (who was that?) Sounds like I'll pitch it...

Evidently, the Hamilton, Ontario, library has a room dedicated to him (i.e., paid for) by the Canadian Sciascia Foundation. It says: Sicilian novelist, essayist, short story writer, non-fiction writer, and dramatist, Sciascia was among the most prominent contemporary Italian authors. He wrote primarily of the pride and passion that characterized Sicilian society. His predominant theme: the struggle of the individual who seeks justice in the midst of social iniquities and official complicity.[Ha!!] While most search results are in Italian, he's listed in the Who's Who of the Radical Party. Here's something he's written on their website: "NO TO INDIFFERENCE, NO TO APATHY I think the terms that applies best to what the radical party wants and is trying to achieve with its nonviolence is the verb to 'break', in all its moral and metaphorical violence. Breaking the compromises, the gameplaying, the mafias, the conspiracy of silence; breaking this sort of alliance between idiocy and violence which is emerging in the Italian reality; breaking the correspondence between power, science and death which seems to be ruling the world; breaking everything before it's too late; and so on... As the title of Jean Daniel's recent book implies, this is an era of rupture - or quite simply THE hour. Let's not waste it with our indifference and apathy."

Welcome back, bellissima Moon! Looking forward to hearing about your travels (read: did you run into any familiar faces, in or out of revolving doors? ;-)). (Karen) Is this horrid prose or what? Hmm, reminds me of Henry James in TTOTS. He, sure, used, alot, of, commas and really, really, long sentences, which never, ever seemed to end, but of course this was perfectly acceptable back then, and it didn't seem to stop him, from becoming a revered author, but I, however, was ready to tear out my hair by the end, and it was a short book. Whew! I'm intrigued by your paltry (or was that poultry?) assessment of MoB, Karen. 'Til now I've only heard how good the book was and how perfect CF would be. (Evelyn) Who in UK is going to go and support Colin in his new venture....hmmmm? C'mon Ev, everyone will be at the movies. *ducking hurling rocks*

Karen - Am v confused (maybe I missed something somewhere or maybe I'm just thick) but is it MoB you're reading at present? I read it such a time ago I couldn't recognise the passage you quoted. I thought it (MoB) quite a good read, a bit long and drawn out maybe, and believe it would transfer well onto film/TV (with a bit of judicious pruning). But whether it's a suitable vehicle for ODB is entirely another question. (Hmm. *thinks* Seem to remember me expressing exactly the opposite opinion re suitability in the past......hope they don't notice!)

Okay, okay...now I look a complete div as my initial question to Karen now appears directly below the answer! *humph* :-(

Can't stand turkey so I'll give MoB a miss so I hope Colin does as well.I had to read the passage three times before I took it in so I'll be no good with the book-can I join your div club please Tracy? (Eileen) C'mon Ev, everyone will be at the movies *ducking hurling rocks* LOL but it'll be me ducking those rocks when I admit that I'll be unable to go to see him .

Well, I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic to hear ODB read an author I've never heard of before. Sciasia sounds like a post-modernist. (Don't get me started on that!) Clearly not a buddhist though. Metaphorical violence to achieve peace --- indeed! Lovely use of language, lovely humanitarian sentiments, but not much of a theory. I feel a verb of my own coming on. The verb to 'pass' in all of its moral and metaphorical indifference....What is ODB about? I suppose another paper-chain thingy is to be expected soon?

(Eileen) I'm intrigued by your paltry (or was that poultry?) assessment of MoB *hee hee* So far it's been a book I have no trouble putting down. And I should've characterized the selection as "putrid prose." ;-) (Tracy) But whether it's a suitable vehicle for ODB is entirely another question. Of course, he doesn't seek my advice on his career...oops...leisure time activities. (and I noticed the aboutface) (Sadie) Sciasia sounds like a post-modernist...Clearly not a buddhist though. Metaphorical violence to achieve peace --- indeed! Lovely use of language, lovely humanitarian sentiments I think he writes detective novels. ********** From Murph, Relative Values will be broadcast on STARZ! on October 22 at 8:00 pm ET/PT for the first time and then repeated at various times throughout the month.

(Karen) Is this horrid prose or what? I'd call it . . . poultry in motion.;-) (Sadie) I feel a verb of my own coming on. The verb to 'pass' in all of its moral and metaphorical indifference LOL! Am assuming that CF is doing this reading in English--didn't the original notice mention translated texts? Can't imagine there's a big audience in London for readings in Italian, whereas an English reading would potentially expand interest in this author's work. Or not.;-) I've said it before . . .Colin reminds me of the kid in the film "Breaking Away.":-)

(Mari)I'd call it . . . poultry in motion.;-) LOL! Now you made a puny. Maid of Butterball, that's a new Harlequin title isn't it? But does she actually butter any? How racey can a Harlequin get these days? I've said it before . . .Colin reminds me of the kid in the film "Breaking Away.":-) LMAO!

re: Sciascia...he's listed in the Who's Who of the Radical Party. Uh,oh...I feel the Italian FBI getting a file on ODB :-( "Wrong crowd, Colin...."

The Italian Radical Party is the only one that battles for legalization of pot. Hmm! And they also had a porn star as a congressional representative who once sat on a desk while congress was in session and took a long leak in a squating position.

(Moon) The Italian Radical Party is the only one that battles for legalization of pot. LOL--dude! The phrase fiddling while Rome burns comes to mind;-) I do remember the, er, incontinent porn star--La Cicciolina, right? Moon, just out of curiosity, what political party seems to be in control in Italy now (though I realize that "control" and "Italy" might not belong in the same sentence.:-) Would love to hear more about your trip whenever you have the time.

Hey, Moon, I read in the 8/28 edition of People that Rupie is in Italy. Well? ;-) (Sadie) Maid of Butterball, that's a new Harlequin title isn't it? No, you're confusing it with Maid of Butterworth, in which the heroine does interesting things with syrup. (Sadie) Sciasia sounds like a post-modernist...Clearly not a buddhist though. Metaphorical violence to achieve peace --- indeed! Lovely use of language, lovely humanitarian sentiments (Karen) I think he writes detective novels. LOL!

Leonardo Sciascia has been nominated several times for the Nobel Literature Prize. Seriouus stuff. Writes historical novels, as well as detective novels and essays on contemporary issues. Translated into English. Well, despite the opposition, I still hold out for "Maid of Buttermere" and think it could tranfer very well to screen. It's a tale of social injustice and inequality (do I detect a theme?). Liked the book as well! Mike Binder has just finished shooting another movie in the UK with Alan Rickman and Juliet Stevenson. Ian Holm was originally going to play AR's role. MB certainly gets good actors. I think we'll see "Londinium" in the UK,( probably a SLOW type opening!) and it can't be worse than some of our homegrown "comedies".

Bethan, I thought you, of all people, would pick up that most obvious clue to CF's next project--Sciascia writes detective novels. Think about it. Detective. Insurance investigator. Armadillo. *cracking myself up* ;-D Encountered MB in Sex Monster while channel surfing recently. After 5 secs, it appeared he couldn't act. By 10 secs, it was obvious but I wanted to give him a little benefit of the doubt. By 15 secs, I could no longer stand it. There must be something to him as a director because he indeed keeps working with high-profile actors. His resemblence to Woody Allen, perhaps? ;-)

(Bethan) I think we'll see "Londinium" in the UK,( probably a SLOW type opening! Oh...a blink and you miss it kind of thing, Fab! SLOW never did get anywhere me, hope I don't have the same probs with Londinium :-(

(Mari), I do remember the, er, incontinent porn star--La Cicciolina, right? Moon, just out of curiosity, what political party seems to be in control in Italy now (though I realize that "control" and "Italy" might not belong in the same sentence.:-) You are quite right my dear about Cicciolina. The current potical party happens to be the Bonzo Dog Party, but we have faith that the elections in April will change something. (Eileen), Hey, Moon, I read in the 8/28 edition of People that Rupie is in Italy. Well? ;-) I did know that,(blushing), he follows me everywhere. ;-) He wants to do a movie with a fantastic Italian singer named Mina. I guess he prefers her to Streisand and Cher. ;-))))

(Bethan) Well, despite the opposition... Appear to have gotten off lightly. Thought my casual dismissal of one of England's most important writers would have stirred up another war... It's a tale of social injustice and inequality As I tear myself away from the MOB (yet again), I must admit that I haven't come to this part yet. Those edifying passages detailing the scenery, followed by hiking and more scenery, then an educational discussion about goat cheese, followed by more scenery, onto boil lancing and drainage, and more scenery, and then a detailed description of char fishing and more scenery have held me in thrall. Perhaps it will get better. Mike Binder has just finished shooting another movie in the UK with Alan Rickman and Juliet Stevenson It stars Mike Binder and Janeane Garofalo. Has there been any press for this? Haven't seen any. MB certainly gets good actors I believe Evelyn had the definitive answer for this ;-) (Eileen) Hey, Moon, I read in the 8/28 edition of People that Rupie is in Italy. Well? ;-) (Moon) I did know that(blushing), he follows me everywhere. ;-) Mama mia!! You naughty girl. On his home turf. And I agreed to lay off. Must reevaluate after truth now comes out. ;-)

Those edifying passages detailing the scenery, followed by hiking and more scenery, then an educational discussion about goat cheese, followed by more scenery, onto boil lancing and drainage, and more scenery, and then a detailed description of char fishing and more scenery have held me in thrall. LOL Karen! With such fine PR am v. tempted to rush right out and buy it (even cheap little me). BTW you edited me out. I said 'not much of a theory'. But perhaps a great plot? And I still stand by that, potential Nobel prize winner or not. However, his Radical Party compatriot's profound act of pissing while in session clearly forces me to rethink my earlier gut-reaction of oh-no, not another immature bit of "pseudo-intellectual masturbation". (Have sunk to quoting from Stranger in a Strange Land but it seemed fitting somehow.) -D

(Eileen) Bethan, I thought you, of all people, would pick up that most obvious clue to CF's next project--Sciascia writes detective novels. Think about it. Detective. Insurance investigator. Armadillo. LOL! Eileen, maybe James Bond is in the cards yet!

(Moon)The current potical party happens to be the Bonzo Dog Party Hmm . . .have distinct feeling that leg is being pulled by that minx Moon. On second thought, if weed-friendly Radical Party gets in, could change name to Gonzo Bong Party.;-) (Sadie) his Radical Party compatriot's profound act of pissing while in session clearly forces me to rethink my earlier gut-reaction of oh-no, not another immature bit of "pseudo-intellectual masturbation". Ya gotta admit, Sadie: she sounds like a real political wiz-kid.;-)

*major groaning here*

(Moon)The Italian Radical Party is the only one that battles for legalization of pot. Hmm! And they also had a porn star as a congressional representative who once sat on a desk while congress was in session and took a long leak in a squating position. Ohmygawd...it's getting worse by the day .Like I said..."Wrong crowd, Colin" These people sound base...What can we do...to save him from himself. This guy needs medical help!

Actually, I think it was the Porn star who needed medical help.... Let me see, how did those lines in Breaking Away go? (I could be making this up, it's been awhile.) "Barney Rubble*, some actor. Rember how when he hits him over the head with a frying pan, And his head goes byong, and becomes the shape of a frying pan...wouldn't that be graate?" To break, as in "breaking away". *Barney Rubble, cartoon character from The Flintstones, for Europeans who have never been subjected to it. (Mari)could change name to Gonzo Bong Party...political wiz-kid LMAO Mari! But you've got to get the word 'Bang' in there somehow, don't want to leave out their most-seen member. Geez, and I thought the U.S. was a sinking political Titanic. You know, I'm not against the Pot thing. I'm sure none of them inhale. ;-)

You know, I'm not against the Pot thing. I'm sure none of them inhale. ;-) I am starting to get ideas for DBs birthday bang... I mean birthday gong. ;-)

You know, I'm not against the Pot thing. I'm sure none of them inhale. ;-) I am starting to get ideas for DBs birthday bang... I mean birthday gong. ;-) Of course, I mean birthday bong. ;-)

can we make that a birthday bonk?

(Moon)I am starting to get ideas for DBs birthday bang... I mean birthday gong. ;-) Of course, I mean birthday bong. ;-) (Judy)can we make that a birthday bonk? LOL! Bonk the gong? Isn't that an old song or something...

it doesn't sound a gong can you sing a bit to me? Of course Moon's original idea of a birthday bang maybe nearer the mark since there's a few of us -a gang..now whats the word I want?

I believe it's "gang-ho"!

Does Mr. Firth need medical help simply because you do not happen to agree with his political views? Interesting...

Does Mr. Firth need medical help simply because you do not happen to agree with his political views? Interesting... Steve from FP thought so too....anyway that's MO. Let's go back to bonging and bonking...

(Sadie)*Barney Rubble, cartoon character from The Flintstones, for Europeans who have never been subjected to it. Oh, we have, we have...;-) Moon, good of you to remind us of CF's birthday party. Though since Her Marcianess seems to have forsaken us, I wonder whether we shall manage to throw a fitting shebang ...bong... whatever...

(Sadie) LOL! Eileen, maybe James Bond is in the cards yet! Bite your virtual tongue.

The Sunday Times has an article about how ITV is going to remake Dr Zhivago as a three-part miniseries, with Andrew Davies doing the adaptation. As a result, there's a big pic of Colin as Darcy as a hook, but no mention of him in the article. In fact, there's no discussion of who they WANT for the Zhivago, only some big name actresses for Lara. So let's not put two and two together and come up with 16 ;-) http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/08/27/stinwenws02004.html BTW, filming is not until summer and autumn 2001.

Still, a very nice pic, Karen. (And I only got 8)

Hmm! I saw this over breakfast, and nearly choked on my cornflakes! Huge headline, ITV in �8million remake of Dr Zhivago, and a very nice pic of CF with subheading "Romantic leads". I pur 2 and 2 together and made 64...as would anyone, before actually reading the article properly. Mentions of possible female leads, but not male. It's interesting that it's being made with the financial support of "Mediaset, the Italian media company, built up by Silvio Berlusconi,the former Prime Minister. Sounds like an Anglo-Italian production, and the most expensive ITV drama series ever (per episode).

Haven't heard this before. Got it from a Crowe friend in the UK. That old Firth cut-up!!! "I read a funny story--he said that all of the cast were a little in awe of Julia because of who she is and the roles that she has played. They were all just thinking "that's Maria Von Trapp". She must have sensed this and one day there was a lull in filming and they were all looking out of the window across the fields and he starts to sing "The hils are alive with the sound of music" *LOL* and everybody just cracked up and started laughing--it really broke the ice." Murph CF as Dr. Zhivago? Lovely thought!

Monday 13 November at 6.30pm - Colin Firth will read from Italian writer Leonardo Sciascia Seems I have booked a trip to London in the wrong month, I�ll be there in September. Sob! Wish he could inform us about his appearances early enough for his fans to plan their lives accordingly. (Evelyn)What can we do...to save him from himself. LOL! luckily there�s always a chance that it�s Sciascia�s prose and thoughts that Colin admires, not the actual politics of the Party or pot or Cicciolina;-)

...with Dr Zhivago, he is to expand on themes in the book that were not reflected in the film. Sounds like Andrew Davies'meat....would be a super role for ODB if he'll do costume drama.Thanks Karen. (Evelyn)What can we do...to save him from himself. (Elena)LOL! luckily there�s always a chance that it�s Sciascia�s prose and thoughts that Colin admires,not the actual politics of the Party or pot or Cicciolina;-) Thanks Elena....you always put things in proper perspective....and with humor:-))(You know me too well ;-))

Murph, I had read that it was Julie who started singing, "The hills are alive with the sound of music", not Colin, and the cast laughed with her. I did read about a re-make of Dr. Z in Italy but there was no cast mentioned. It will be hard for any actor to take the role of Omar Sharif. He is Dr. Z as Colin is Mr. Darcy.

exactly - but one can dream.

Moon.I think you are right. My friend got her sexes wrong on The Sound of Music Story. Saw this today. Brief mention of CF: Binder hitches series at HBO By Cynthia Littleton LOS ANGELES (The Hollywood Reporter) --- HBO is developing a comedy series with comedian Mike Binder that aims to take a look inside "The Mind of the Married Man." HBO is close to greenlighting a pilot for the single-camera half-hour project, which is being eyed as a potential companion piece for "Sex and the City." Binder will star and executive produce along with Michael Rotenberg and HBO's Stu Smiley. Binder, a stand-up comic-turned-actor-writer-director, said "Married Man" will center on four male reporters at a Chicago newspaper. The pilot is expected to be shot in October. "It's an honest and frank look at how married men are when their wives aren't around," Binder said. "It's about how guys look at life and commitment and work and sex when they're in various permutations of marriage." In addition to developing the HBO project, Binder recently finished directing two indie comedy features, "The Search for John Gissing" starring Janeane Garofalo and Alan Rickman and "Londinium" starring Colin Firth, Stephen Fry and Mariel Hemingway. Binder's other feature directing credits include 1994's "Blankman," 1993's "Indian Summer" and 1992's "Crossing the Bridge."

All: Is odds and ends still at 136?

Is odds and ends still at 136? Sure is...and will be humming a little later, I expect ;-) Thanks for the info about Binder. A TV show set in Chicago? Wasn't his home turf of Detroit sexy enough? ;-) Guy's got to pay the bills somehow. We're all in for a real treat. ;-)

From the Starz website, here are additional broadcast times for Relative Values during October (times shown are all ET/PT): Oct. 22 at 8:00 pm Oct. 26 at 10:00 am and 6:20 pm Oct. 30 at 12:30 pm and 8:00 pm

Karen-what is the URL for the Starz website? I searched, but didn't find it. Thanks.

If you put in www.starzencore, it now switches you over to their easily findable: http://www.800superpak.com/se/homepage.html What a bunch of idiots... ;-)

Isn't it about time that we heard for sure what his next project is, apart from his reading & writing of course.

Thanks, Murph. So MB might have himself a TV series, eh? Karen, Detroit's loss is Chicago's . . .loss.;-)

isn't it about time that we heard for sure what his next project is, apart from his reading & writing of course. Baz B.'s column in in the Mail seems to be the only source of British entertainment news. You rarely get confirmation of projects, especially TV. Unlike major Hollywood projects which get a lot of news coverage (BJD for instance) I'm assuming he's doing "Armadillo" at the moment. There's no reason to delay it. I remember reading that Channel 4 were planning a series based on "Sword of honour", and the next thing it's all done and dusted, and ready to be screened. The news item about the Dr Zhivago project gave the filming schedule for next summer, and it will just go ahead. BTW, there *is* scope for a new look at Dr Zhivago IMHO. The film was wonderful, but I think (some time since I read it) there are aspects of the book that are different, more tragic (if that's possible!), especially Zhivago's relationships with the two women he loves. The ending is different...after losing his wife and son, and Lara, Zhivago drifts to Moscow, and lives in near destitution with the poor, writing educational books and pamphlets. He dies, without seeing Lara again. Anyway, will *not* (repeat *not*!) indulge in wishful thinking!!I think Andrew Davies could do something new with this.

As several have brought up celebrations for Colin's birthday bash, we might as well kick off "Party Central" on Topic 110. For all you new Droolies, if you'd like to see how we celebrated last year, check this out: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/110.167 Moon (prez of PartiesRUs)...take it away!

I have never read the book & have not seen the film for years,in fact I wasn't of an age to either understand or appreciate it.If there's an inkling that he's up for the role I will rectify this. As for Armadillo that is my choice for him.I loved the book & couldn't put it down so I will be disappointed if he doesn't do it.

(Judy) If there's an inkling that he's up for the role I will rectify this. No inkling ;-)

Thanks for the tip about his birthday bash Karen.thatsgoing to be a hard act to follow, Realised while I was over there that my brother has two things in common with Colin ,the same birthday & a small bald patch:-D

Since we have been bringing up the old bongs lately, how about doing a psychedelic theme party for Colin. He does wear those coloured glasses. ;-) Mini and maxi skirts, go-go boots and that thin velvet bandana. I am ready! Plus, I am sure he will love the music. Dusting off T-Rex. :-D

Are we also going to have something with which to fill the old bongs? Not that I necessarily want, ahem, organic pharmaceuticals to sully up CF's party. Are there other uses for an old bong?

I will see what my Turkish friends can do. It is going to be one hot-smoking party. ;-)))

(HR Article) Binder's other feature directing credits include 1994's "Blankman," 1993's "Indian Summer" and 1992's "Crossing the Bridge." Wot? That cinema classic, "The Sex Monster" is missing from his C.V.? Shocking oversight ;-). (Karen) From the Starz website, here are additional broadcast times for Relative Values during October (times shown are all ET/PT): Oct. 26 at 10:00 am and 6:20 pm Oooh, something to look forward to on my birthday other than an a new wrinkle :-).

The Radio Times which came out today, says that next week it will be announcing its drama programmes for the Autumn - Any hope for DQ do you think?

Fingers crossed, but the BBC seems to be very departmental. DQ is a BBC Film, and I *was* told by BBC Films that it was scheduled for October/November. But Films and Drama seem to be quite different, and so I don't know if it will be listed. Hope so! I know that Karen will slap my wrists for this (so what did happen to "Flashman" then?! :-)), but I *have* to report that there's quite a big buzz about the planned remake of Dr Zhivago in the media. The news was reported on one of the radio arts programmes...a Granada spokesperson is quoted as saying that they're tremendously excited about the project, and want the absolute best.(Granada are the producers...they made "Jewel in the Crown", "Lost Empires" and, I think, "Brideshead Revisited". Dennis Forman was the CEO of Granada). It will be filmed partly on location in Southern Italy. Also picked up in the Guardian ("highly ambitious project") and the Independent. And these are just the papers I saw... there may be more coverage. CF's name is mentioned in the Independent, but again in the Andrew Davies context, as the "smouldering Mr Darcy". Subliminal mention?!! Casting begins later this year. Mentions that the part of Lara is the one likely to be most difficult to fill, and they want an established cinema actress like Kate Winslett). No mention of casting for Dr Zhivago (why not? this is the main role.) Anyway, many a slip twixt cup and lip, so will say no more. I know it's television (but so was P&P!).

I know it's television (but so was P&P!). But, but....that was six ....... years ago. evelyn*crying...in her Chardonnay*

No mention of casting for Dr Zhivago (why not? this is the main role.) Maybe they already have the person they want and don't want to reveal it too soon !!! A girl can live in hope ;-)

Bethan, end the suspense and just call CF's agent. I can hear his response now: "Zhivago? What is Zhivago?" ;-P Don't cry, Evie.

(Eileen) Bethan, end the suspense and just call CF's agent. I can hear his response now: "Zhivago? What is Zhivago?" ;-P *can't stop laughing* (Bethan) I know that Karen will slap my wrists for this and yet that didn't stop you! ;-) What I want to know is: does 136 have the cooties or something? BTW, there is something posted there that might be of interest, as the main (and possibly only) Butterball proponent.

Karen-thanks for the URL. I guess I was in the right place--just v. confused. I didn't want to order the Superpak. Evenutally, I got what I needed. Thanks again!

So the Dr.Zhivago thing is a go then! I thought that was like remaking Gone With The Wind (or Scarlett the Sequel *unkind snort at that memory). Couldn't that be rather risky? --- even given your observation that there's room to update, Karen. On other hand, CF in costume drama suffering over unrequited love *sigh*. I'd go see it!! Must confess, that like Judy, I have only dim recollection of the film though. What year was it made? I think it was before I was born (1969)! My strongest memory revolves around skating to musac (sp?) version of "Somewhere My Love" every single fu***** time I went to the arena. Party plans sound wonderful. I looked at last year's. WOW! Going to be hard to live up to that, as Judy mentioned.

An aside re: the L.A. September showing of "Fever Pitch". The last venue listed was for 'The Pasadena Playhouse' which is a genuine theatre. I have a friend working there, and being confused, I asked him if they showed movies too, and he replied: No, the Pasadena Playhouse doesn't show films, but possibly what you saw was the Playhouse 7, which is a Laemmle Theatre just around the corner from the Pasadena Playhouse, which shows foreign and art films, so it would make sense that Fever Pitch might be playing there. I certainly hope so, because it's within walking distance of my office, and it would be easy to catch the film there. So just a minor correction for any in that area.

(KJ) An aside re: the L.A. September showing of "Fever Pitch". The last venue listed was for 'The Pasadena Playhouse' which is a genuine theatre. Thanks, KJ. I've been to the The Pasadena Playhouse before and was a bit confused myself because it certainly doesn't look to be location conducive to showing films.

(Sadie) even given your observation that there's room to update, Karen Twasn't me, but Bethan's observation. Haven't read Zhivago for yonks (right word, right?) although it is true that many things were changed from the novel.

Yawns, I mean yonks isthe right word, Karen. ;-) I still would prefer him as Flashman because he could really make the character his own. I never had much faith in MoB and I think it he is better off without it.

(Moon) I still would prefer him as Flashman Bethan asked about Flashman the other day. Has anyone heard anything? Or is the project dead in the water? Personally, I don't think a Flashman miniseries would be the greatest vehicle for ODB but I'd be interested in it nonetheless. I've developed a fondness for Flashy, especially when he dines with women whose 'udders fall into their soup'. =8-D Hmmm, Karen--do you recall if Flashy has six-pack abs? ;-)

When are we going to get some news, he can't still be on holiday or resting, with such good news about Jennifer it would be wonderful to hear that Armadillo has got the green light and filming has started with ODB starring. A good role also for Stephen would be the icing on the cake.

(Ann)..with such good news about Jennifer it would be wonderful to hear that Armadillo has got the green light and filming has started with ODB starring. As I said in #134 ("Possession" topic), I like to think that ODB was offered the role of Ash and he had to decline because he was already committed to his friend SB for Armadillo. How's that ...?

Evelyn. How's that..? I like it.

Re: Armadillo. I recall someone contacting A&E on this recently (within the past month). Their response was that a script had been commissioned from William Boyd, but no commitment had yet been made on their part. Sounded like it might be a ways off yet, but who knows. . . maybe once the script is in place it can come together quickly. Re: Zhivago. I have nothing against remakes, but the film version of this one is pretty well imbedded in the public's psyche. Not sure I'd want to compete with ghosts.

(Karen)Twasn't me, but Bethan's observation. Apologies to both of you. I read everyone's messages carefully. But it just goes to show how bad my memory is, if I don't go back and cut and paste actual quote!

(A&E) but no commitment had yet been made on their part. Well, we *know* that's an itsy bitsy fib, as they are co-producers. Think best course of action is calling CF's agent, as Eileen suggestion. Should clear things right up. ;-)

LOL Even if CF's agent knew *exactly* what he was doing, I don't think you'd get any information...more likely misinformation! I think that projects happen, but sometimes take time. "Armadillo" isn't a huge budget type project and presumably could go ahead with/without A&E. And I shouldn't imagine that William Boyd would have much difficulty in knocking out a script...the novel could have been written for the screen. Also the turnaround time on TV projects is usually a few months (DQ excepted!) I still think both MOB (as sole supporter!) could happen, and also the political satire on New Labour. Mentions often lead to actuality. I remember reading when "Notting Hill" opened that HG was busy playing tennis in "rehearsal" for a new unspecified movie...that's over a year now, and details have only just been confirmed..

A&E's involvement is fact. Whether it could go ahead with/without them, I wouldn't presume or Boyd's ability to turn the book into a workable script.

I saw some details of drama for the Autumn in one of the TV mags....no mention of DQ. So I phoned up the BBC Drama - Films, again. It's not being shown until next year, and they have no idea when. Do they care? Why not shred it. I don't know what to say...it's a brick wall. The guy I feel most sorry for is Colin. For actor's careers to prosper, they need to be seen. No wonder people are giving up on him, and it's not his fault...he's always let down.

Thanks Bethan for your efforts. I am sure there is more to this than meets the eye, I can see no reason why the BBC are not screening DQ. I hope that we don't have the same problem with Armadillo, should that ever take off. I feel really annoyed about this, why on earth go to the expense of making it, if it is not going to be aired!!! exasperated Ann.

This week's RV engagements: 1. Studio 102, Coleford 2. Rex, Elland 3. The Forum Cinema, Northampton 4. Light House, Wolverhampton 5. Reel Cinema, Kingsbridge 6. Cramphorn Theatre, Chelmsford A lucky few will be able to go see it again. ;-)

A lucky few will be able to go see it again. ;-) Nah...they're waiting for it to come on the telly....

(Bethan) It's not being shown until next year, and they have no idea when. Oh, fer gawd's sake. They're back to this again? Bethan, isn't that what you were told...last year? To quote Paul, 'pathetic'. Since doing TV is *such* a prestigious thing in the UK, what's an actor to do if his work doesn't air? -- Equally Exasperated Eileen

Re DQ, as Ann says there has to be something else. DQ is part funded by Pandora Cinema. A recent BBC/Pandora film "Maybe Baby", written by Ben Elton and starring Hugh Lawrie, took �7million at the UK Box Office, despite absolutely dreadful reviews. Most (if not all)BBC films get a cinema release (albeit very limited). Pandora cinema have had quite a few successes...Shine, Kolya A good film starring Colin Firth, and written/directed by a BAFTA winning team, and should be PROMOTED, for god's sake! And even if it doesn't get a cinema release, show it on television! I rang BBC Scotland,( and this really is my last time), and was told that they're trying to find an appropriate slot for it.(Like, it's s-o-o difficult) There's still no transmission date (we're going backwards, here), might be shown early next year. (Hey, that's only two years) I've stopped listening to this. Absolute twaddle. Panora Cinema are based in Paris Phone (UK area code) 40 70 090 90. Also have an office in Frankfurt. Anyone multilingual out there like to give them a ring (Renate?) I've given up!!

FYI, most people at Pandora speak English. They have nothing to do with the BBC transmission and are sales agents internationally. My initial contact over there was nice, but had no information. Rest have been utterly useless.

Most (if not all) BBC films get a cinema release Think I posted this ages ago, but the decision was made DQ wouldn't go theatrical. Program is not on correct film type for that and they wouldn't spend the additional money to transfer. I have actually spoken to the producer.

Sorry, Karen, I remember you posted something about this. Oh well, bang go all my farfetched theories. I just can't think of any reason for the contant delays and misrepresentations/lies. They aren't showing it at Xmas or New Year. It seems that the BBC have no interest in showing this and have wasted over a million pounds of taxpayers money and the efforts of a lot of very talented people. I really can't think of anything positive to say. :-( Roll on BJD! Or maybe they really will show it early next year. At my most pessimistic, I can't believe that they'll just dump it!

Oh Well, I am just going to forget all about it and be glad that thanks to our Australian friends we have at least been able to see it. I was thinking that we had so much to look forward to last year, he made Londinium, goodness knows when we will see that, Blackadder - if you blink you miss him, TTOTS, a whole 2mins wow and Relative Values, which we did get to see but I am afraid I just did not like it, give me Mr. Darcy anytime to limpwristed Peter and why is it that we have to wait so long to see his projects, SLOW locked in a vault for years, MLSF delayed for editing for 2years and now DQ, oh hum. I think we will see BJD on time but as I said it is RZ's film and I think Colin could be a a hiding to nothing, the critics could have a field day, so needless to say I am not optimistic. Please please someone tell me that he is doing Armadillo, I really like the sound of this even if it is for TV. (hopefully ITV, I see RG is in a new series Bethan!! grrr)

OK it's my turn to give the pep talk: With BJD, I doubt the critics' opinions will matter. Everyone loves the book (everyone who matters ;-D); it's part of the popular culture. And don't forget that they've been doing a good job promoting it. So, English audiences will see it. And Colin doesn't need much screen time for people to be impressed (some by his acting, some by his abs, some by both). As the sexy man, as opposed to the jerk, everyone will want him to get the girl in the end. RC knows a good Darcy story when he sees it surely! Colin worked hard to get physically in shape for this role, which suggests he saw the opportunity and fought for it; he's not likely to throw all that effort away. There's also every reason to believe it will make a splash in the U.S. and I'll be so bold to predict that a lot of people who have not yet, will make the connection between Colin in this and Colin in P&P. It could spawn a whole new wave of Colin interest and obssessive viewing of older Colin flicks. The total impact of BJD will give him more power of choice and he'll take on another actor's actor role, a really good stretch for him, just as we hope. I've decided to be optimistic and lend my mental energy (such as it is) to envision the best. You see, all my joking aside, I'm not giving up Bethan! (And this time I double-checked to make sure I remembered who said what) :-)

No DQ!! what the hell is going on? Ann I agree with you about all these delays on his work but I do feel envious over those lucky people who have seen DQ. (RG yuk not again) I've had a bad year for seeing Colin's work ,I was beginning to think things were starting to look up but it would seem I was wrong;-(

I missed your pep talk Sadie sorry! You do know how to cheer a girl up-abs *sigh*

I say all that, and that's all you have to say on the matter: abs *sigh*? -D

I'm very, very disappointed about DQ, and don't understand why the BBC don't show it. It would give CF a real boost, and it would be very accessible. And there is NO reason, absolutely no reason at all for the delay. I'm happy to have seen it, but for CF's sake, I'd like that experience to be shared by several millions. The BBC are already showing dramas and films made a few months ago....no problem about scheduling these, apparently. I'm going to believe that it will be okay. The original report was "in the winter" and "next year" so perhaps we're back to that. But I am fed up of seeing every other actor under the sun, except the one who really matters. At least DQ is still listed! One fear is that I'll ring up, and they'll say "DQ, wot's DQ. never heard of it"! I'll not moan any more. I actually think that he is an actor in whom there'll always be interest. He must be doing "Armadillo", Ann. That I do believe! And BJD...well, there'll be a lot of fuss about RZ, but it will be a major movie, with a lot of publicity, as the follow on to 4 weddings and NH. And he is the male romantic lead. And he is Mr Darcy. I worry about the critics, but hopefully they'll lay off him. And I really hope he gets good exposure in the US and promotes himself! It's rather like supporting a soccer team...they lose a few fixtures and you get downhearted, and then w-hoosh, they're off again. I also think that actors have different career paths in the UK...they are often less conspicuous, but carry on working. You gotta believe! Okay, enough from me...i'm just mightily peeved by the Beeb. At least I won't waste time looking at the Radio/TV Times!

Thanks for your pep talk, Sadie! Great stuff! I'll forget about our miserable Beeb and nation of telly watchers...if you think globally, NH took about $300 million, which means (I think) that maybe 50milion people went to see it throughout the world. If 50million see CF as the handsome romantic Mark Darcy in an entertaining, warm, funny movie, he has to make an impression. You just need that one successful movie... It could spawn a whole new wave of Colin interest and obssessive viewing of older Colin flicks. The total impact of BJD will give him more power of choice and he'll take on another actor's actor role, a really good stretch for him, just as we hope. I've decided to be optimistic and lend my mental energy (such as it is) to envision the best. I couldn't put it better! Well said!

(Bethan)maybe 50 milion people went to see it throughout the world Wow, that's mind-boggling really. I'm glad if what I said cheered you, 'cause it was meant to cheer and not to silence.

(Sadie)It could spawn a whole new wave of Colin interest and obssessive viewing of older Colin flicks. The total impact of BJD will give him more power of choice and he'll take on another actor's actor role, a really good stretch for him, just as we hope. I've decided to be optimistic and lend my mental energy (such as it is) to envision the best. This is why we are grateful for newbies.Thanks Sadie.The rest of us are worn out.

Actually it is amazing how fortunes can change, JE was unemployed for 6months, did an interview in a paper and happened to mention that she was unemployed, Tom Stoppard saw it asked why hadn't she auditioned for TRT, and the rest is history, a sell-out hit in the UK, Tony's on Broadway, and now a wonderful role in Possession. (not forgetting Design for Living) Perhaps BJD will have the same effect for Colin, I certainly hope so. Thanks for being so postivie Sadie.

Okay, have done my bit. Have complained to the BBC Drama Dept. Have praised D.Q. to the hilt - it was indeed a success here in Oz. Said so and how I failed to see how they had not shown it etc. Bet they don't answer!!!!

.... DQ is part funded by Pandora Cinema. (Bethan)Also have an office in Frankfurt. Anyone multilingual out there like to give them a ring (Renate?) I knew it sounded somehow familiar to me. I've seen their office, it is not very far from where I live, but I never connected these two companies. I'll call them. Don't expect too much.... but it can't hurt if they know that there's even a demand in Germany.

(Sadie) I say all that,and that's all you have to say on the matter : abs *sigh*? -D LMAO touche,you've a memory like an elephant.But what you said made a lot of sense however once you mentioned abs I couldn't get my mind above them (which is unusual beacause my mind's normally below them )

(Anne)Okay, have done my bit. Have complained to the BBC Drama Dept. Have praised D.Q. to the hilt - it was indeed a success here in Oz. Said so and how I failed to see how they had not shown it etc. Way to go Anne!! (Renate)I'll call them. Don't expect too much.... but it can't hurt if they know that there's even a demand in Germany. It sure can't hurt!! to Judy: LOL! You're no sieve yourself! But was it really your mind that stayed there?

Renate I would be v.interested to hear what they have to say.They can't be any worse than the BBC & the blatant liars they have become. (Sadie) You're no sieve yourself! are you referring to my holiness or my holey-ness? and no its usually my hands that stray

there's even a demand in Germany ...and in Finland. I have made wishes to tv channels that they would show CF-films. Well, atleast Circle of Friends is coming soon :)

(Judy)are you referring to my holiness or my holey-ness? Was paying you a compliment on your mind...but now that you mention it, the state of your UNholiness deserves a compliment too!

Have called Pandora in Frankfurt, and they never ever heard about Donovan Quick. Probably because this Pandora is a german-only company, and are not connected in any way to the Pandora in Paris. Sorry guys that I can't report better results.

Have conducted scientific research all weekend and have determined BBC's DQ communication strategy. 1. Answer phone. 2. Spin giant wheel (similar to wheel in Wheel of Fortune). 3. Give response indicated on wheel. Responses include: 'We are evaluating the most appropriate time slot,' 'next winter,' 'I've never heard of the project [as is my first day OR am really actress doing undercover work in preparation for next role]', 'early next year,' and 'after the Queen Mum passes on'. 4. If caller has made several inquiries and all wheel responses have been used at least twice, switch to Magic Eight Ball mode.

Inspired by Eileen's magnificent theory about the communication strategy, here is my attempt at a conspiracy theory about the suppression of DQ. Just as they were about to slot it into the schedules after it was made, some bigwig asked: "What's this one about?" Finding out it was a sideswipe at privatisation, and being a Blairite toady, he instantly quashed it. Reason: Blair, widely expected to stop the privatising or even reverse some of it, has seemingly picked up the Conservative baton and continued. So, even for Labour supporters, it's now not politically correct to slate the policy. However, a brave (possibly female) executive, with a taste for decent dramas and actors, has an agenda to get DQ aired, and occasionally tries to slip it into the forward schedules before it gets taken out again (hence the confusing messages). Of course, she even managed to get it shown in Australia. Her latest scheme was to propose a drama with CF playing Tony Blair, to show all New Labour lackeys that YDB was really on-message and could do no wrong, thus increasing the chance of getting DQ out. With the right comment from CF about the possibility of playing Blair (e.g. "to play such a historic figure would be the pinnacle of my career"), we would have had seasons of CF films, repeats of P&P, and a South Bank Festival Extravaganza devoted to the Worth of Firth. Sadly, all has failed so far, and the next move may be an assassination of the pig-headed BBC bigwig (or even Blair).

I like it Mark, heehee.

Brilliant, Mark!

There's only one way I can think of (perhaps, because my mind only works in devious ways) to flush DQ out. I can't do it because I don't get BBC. Any brave ones?

Great Stuff, Mark! And I'm not really laughin', 'cause there might be lots of truth in the political side of what you said.It seems conspiratorial alright. One wonders if ITV or Film Four would have shown it by now.

LOL! Full marks, Mark...;-) Karen, so what's your plan again? (Tag!)

How about this for a hypothesis? DQ is based on life of real SOB, who is still alive and powerful. SOB exerts all his (considerable) influence to prevent showing. This article is from the Sunday Mail, a Scottish paper. It was published on January 30 of this year. QUICK...WARN BRIAN SOUTER; Can ruthless star in TV's Donovan Quick be based on our own pious tycoon? GAVIN DOCHERTY EXCLUSIVE HERE'S the story so far... a ruthless bus tycoon uses every trick in the book to drive his small-time rivals off the roads of quiet Scottish towns. Quite how Brian Souter, whose real-life Stagecoach empire has made him the richest man in Scotland, will view a certain new TV drama series, we may never know. But the BBC believe that millions of other viewers will soon be gripped by Donovan Quick. The series follows the efforts of bus boss George Mackie and his Windmill Transport empire to crush their opposition, and is named after a local hero who stands up to Windmill's multi- national might. Fundamentalist Christian Brian Souter, who is leading the campaign to keep Section 28, is known to love nothing more than a quality television drama. But he might not love this one. Despite reassurances by the BBC, there are plenty of people who suspect he might find this tale a little too close for comfort. Pride and Prejudice heart-throb Colin Firth takes the title role, opposite David Westhead, of Mrs Brown and The Lakes, as the grasping Mackie. The story sees Mackie take over a small transport firm and begin to axe services, including one to a daycentre for the disabled. Enter the charismatic Quick, who, with disabled pal Sandy Pannick (played by David Brown) has the guts to start his own one-bus firm to replace the service. Quick and Pannick are soon so successful they become a target for Mackie, who tries to poach their route. The BBC have high hopes for the series, scripted by Donna Franceschild and directed by David Blair, the team who came up with the award-winning Takin' Over the Asylum. They are billing it as one of their most emotive dramas of recent years. Interestingly for a work of fiction, documentary filmmaker John Mair was brought in as a consultant. Mair's hard-hitting films include two which may have helped him in that role. The first was his damning World in Action expos of Souter's business practices, Cowboy Country. The second was an equally critical Frontline Scotland probe�Stagecoach Comes to Town�which so infuriated Souter he spent pounds 70,000 placing ads in the Scottish Press to rubbish the programme. Does Mair detect a whiff of Souter in fictional bus boss Mackie? "I couldn't say," he says. "I saw it at a cast screening. It is brilliant. Very good indeed. It is very clever. It is Blair and Franceschild on song. "It is brought up to date with a large bus company which we are ever allowed to name." Meanwhile, Chicago-born Franceschild, who now lives in Argyll, stressed that Donovan Quick was simply about the tension between "big capitalism and little people". She said: "Writers take inspiration from many things. Basically, I wanted to write about big companies that kind of squash small people. "That was what interested me. Bus deregulation and train franchises were part of that picture in the Eighties. "Margaret Thatcher's kind of capitalism encouraged that rampant steamrolling of everybody in your path. �Donovan Quick is very contemporary because the situation where the big national company wipes out the little guy has now reached grotesque proportions. "But I was never interested in going after anybody in particular. I wouldn't like to say that I had." As the movie-men�and the BBC's lawyers�say: "The people and events portrayed are entirely fictional. "Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental..." ------- P.S. After reading this article, a friend of us all told me that DQ was shown on Australian TV this year right after the network got a new director. This guy used to be the head of BBC Scotland. Thus far, Australia is the [i]only[/i] place where DQ has been shown. Anne

This whole sorry DQ mess, if it is indeed political, reminds me of the fate of Tumbledown. BBC again. DQ is the best thing CF has done in years - since Tumbledown, as a matter of fact, IMO.

so what's your plan again? Actually, it does involve these suppositions about Souter's involvement as in the above article. Threatening to take this info to the press, saying that they are bowing to political or financial pressure and have wasted taxpayers' money. Press would love to hear how the BBC cannot *find* a slot for DQ.

Do you remember I wrote to the BBC some days ago: here is the reply Thank you for taking the time to contact us At the present time we have no plans to show "Donovan Quick" the film. However please be assured that your request has been noted for the attention of our schedulers. Finally you will be pleased to know that our drama series of the same title is due to return in 2001, although transmission dates have yet to be confirmed. thank you again for the taking the time to write. Cathy McNeill, BBC Information - e-mail info@bbc.co.uk Well what do you make of that - I have written again telling her I am utterly confused - and is Colin Firth in the Series!

Please ask what is meant by "return." Had it ever been there before in any of its incarnations? ;-D Have figured it out. Is a shell game.

I wrote again to this BBC lady asked that very question. Perhaps I will receive a reply. Told her there were many people with whom I have contact longing to see it - and how well it was received in Oz. Although I think the comments about Brian Souter are very relevant indeed. He's a nasty piece of work and has a lot of power. Has recently upset the apple cart by holding a private referendum in Scotland about Article 28 to do with teaching of sex, homosexuality in Schools and some 1,000,000 people agreed with him against the Labour Government - enough to frighten Tony Blair and Co. eh. BBC is I believe controlled by the Labour Government as Tony Blair and Co. have appointed a stalwart New Labour man in Greg Dyke. In my opinion that is.

From my ill-informed American vantage point, I can't see how Brian Souter could possibly stop the airing or influence the BBC from airing DQ. The program can't even be construed as libelous, when it so clearly is about Thatcherism. Besides, over here, the networks would have a field day with this and the program would garner more free publicity as a result, which is good and something which would be maximized. Of course, I don't know !@$$ from Shinola, as we would say. ;-D

Karen its beyond my comprehension too. Here in Australia it would also be shown in the same way as the U.S. But thats the theory and strange as though it may seem - they (the BBC) are afraid of this guy and the government - I will let you know when the BBC reply again if they ever do. But truly they have no idea what they are talking about half the time.

"Margaret Thatcher's kind of capitalism encouraged that rampant steamrolling of everybody in your path. The program can't even be construed as libelous, when it so clearly is about Thatcherism. For once capitalism worked on the side of the down-trodden, and it was Thatcher's idea. Why would Labour like it? Thanks, Anne. Keep us informed. There is a lot of confusing news on the part of the BBC.

Labour would like this program as it exposed the disregard the Conservative government had for the people. Therefore, there's no reason IMO why Labour or the BBC would bow to pressure from Souter. Tumbledown was different. It was blatantly anti-government and aired while that government was in control.

Thanks to both AnneH & AnneR, perhaps the Sunday Mail may be interested to know the BBC is dragging its fee with DQ. Perhaps we in the UK should all write to the Sunday Mail and let them look into it!

Labour would like this program as it exposed the disregard the Conservative government had for the people. What would happen if another DQ came along now? It would be worse. (I will now go back to the planning of DBs birthday party, politics are a bore). :-)

Thanks for writing the BBC and sharing your response, Anne. But truly they have no idea what they are talking about half the time. You can say that again. (BBC) Finally you will be pleased to know that our drama series of the same title is due to return in 2001, although transmission dates have yet to be confirmed. *clickclickclick* [spinning wheel, round and round...]

Perhaps we in the UK should all write to the Sunday Mail and let them look into it! We in the UK should all write to ALL dailies and weeklies and send them a copy of that article with a request, nay, demand that they investigate it further in the name of TV license payers - since the people manning the BBC customer/viewer service do not seem to know much about this film. And it wouldn't hurt if you out there in the wide world joined us and emailed as many relevant email addresses as we can find. Start rolling them now!

AnneR thanks for posting that article it was all new to me. AnneH thanks for sharing the reply with us and also for that info ,it wasn't until you mentioned Article 28 that I was able to place him. After reading all this latest nonsense from the BBC I'm ready to indulge in a spot of BBC baiting myself. Series? what the *$@* are they talking about? they're stupid enough to confuse it with Jonathan Creek:-D

I have had another letter re: D.Q. from the B.B.C. - she actually really looked this time - even quoted what the story was about to me. Then suggested my friends in the U.K. keep looking out for it on the listings and programmes etc. She was quite polite and at least did a little research re it. I wrote again praising D.Q. to the hilt and how privileged we had been in Australia for it to have been premiered here. So someone hopefully after this will now take it out of the archives, dust it down and perhaps put it on in the next six months!

Re Souter - the fear that the Labour Govnt. would have is his power over the voters in Scotland after his referendum - they would not want to offend him further!!!!! Can't afford to be courageous - re Yes Minister.

Re Souter - the fear that the Labour Govnt. would have is his power over the voters in Scotland after his referendum - they would not want to offend him further!!!!! Can't afford to be courageous - re Yes Minister.

Thanks for all the info/action on DQ! I'm hoping that the BBC are just incompetent and indifferent, and that there's no political agenda, and that they will show it early new year. Otherwise it's well worth writing to the press about this...Scottish newspapers, Baz. B in the Mail, Private Eye (the Media column) You can also complain to the PCU which investigates complaints against the BBC. It's hard to see why DQ shd be suppressed...it's not cutting edge drama, more of a fable about two innocents abroad, Donovan and Sandy, which also takes a very positive look at overcoming mental disability (the "actor" playing Sandy has a learning disability...in effect, he's playing himself, a wonderful performance). But there are parallels with between Windmill and Stagecoach, and Brian Souter of Stagecoach is not a man to cross. Labour, and Gregg Dyke, Labour's appointee at the helm of the BBC, could well be frightened of him, especially with an election looming. He heads the Rich list in Scotland, and his sister, Ann Gloag, is listed as the richest woman in the UK (ahead of the Queen!). Stagecoach was worth �4.5 billion but shares have plummeted recently. I read something about Stagecoach on the net...they were well known in the early days for bullyboy techniques and for behaving close to the legal knuckle.They would slash prices on routes, drive out the opposition, and the raise prices to former levels. They would also "sandwich"...run a bus ahead and behind on the route. When Souter's ex brother-in-law set up his own bus company, Stagecoach forced him out of business. The name "Ann Gloag" isn't a million miles from the name Ann Gorman, used in DQ. BTW it's easy to complain about the non-scheduling of DQ, so that the complaint is actually included in a monthly briefing to BBC executives (hopefully!) Check into http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/contact/com_email.shtml There's a form ...all you have to type in is the name of the programme, no transmission date, your name and email, and then your complaint. Takes a minute. I just said I was very disappointed that DQ had not been included in the Autumn schedules, as it was completed in April 99, etcetera, and has been shown in Australia.

Go to it!

Have checked the movie listings for both LA and Palm Springs and don't see Fever Pitch.

SD is doing "The Cazolet Chronicles"(four books!) a 5 Mil. UKP BBC production...five episodes this year and more in the next two years...to be shown in 2001. [Hey ,maybe there's a part for ODB..with all those episodes one surely would fit in with his work regimen;-)]

sorry for italics...

From yesterday's LA Times, from Anne R.: The Laemmle Theaters' "World Cinema 2000" series commences at the Monica 4- Plex, 1332 2nd St., Santa Monica, with Saturday and Sunday 11 a.m. screenings of David Evans' "Fever Pitch," an amiable sports-romance comedy loosely based on Nick Hornby's autobiography. It really helps to be a soccer fanatic to become involved in this tale of a laid-back London high school teacher (Colin Firth) and an uptight colleague (Ruth Gemmell) who prove that opposites do attract--and whose romance is further challenged by Firth's primary allegiance to his favorite soccer team, which just may end its 18-year losing streak. "Fever Pitch" screens Sept. 16-17 at 10 a.m. at the Sunset 5, 8000 Sunset Blvd., and Sept. 23-24 at 11 a.m. at the Playhouse 7, 673 E. Colorado Blvd., Pasadena. Information for the Monica: (310) 394-9741; Sunset: (323) 848-3500; Playhouse: (626) 844-6500.

Shoot! Should've searched on "news" and not "events/venues." I hate the LA Times' setup. ;-D So the Phaedra people aren't entirely wrong, but was supposed to be playing this weekend in Palm Springs and the Hollywood (Sunset) Laemmle theater.

And the weekly RV listing: 1. Aberystwyth Arts Centre, Aberystwyth 2. Poole Arts Centre, Poole 3. ARC, Stockton-on-Tees 4. UCI 10, Tamworth 5. Light House, Wolverhampton 6. Regent, Christchurch 7. Guildhall Arts Centre, Gloucester 8. Adam Smith Theatre, Kirkcaldy 9. Croydon Fairfield Halls, London 10. Plymouth Arts Centre, Plymouth 11. Watermans Arts Centre, London

[Hey ,maybe there's a part for ODB..with all those episodes one surely would fit in with his work regimen;-)] I don't think his work regimen is of his own chosing....he can't be happy "haunting the shadows" or playing cameos. And he deserves so much better. IMHO the BBC are treating him shamefully. He can act, and deserves to get leaading roles!

I've been away from this board for awhile --- too long to digest all the twists and turns of the BBC in a single reading. I think it's great that people have written and called to ask for an explanation. I hope you get to see it soon. I wonder if it will ever make its way over here to North America? As I said, I haven't had a chance to do more than skim, so I apologize if this has already been answered. But, I was wondering Bethan, the form looks like it's intended for British tv viewers. (Understandably. It doesn't really make sense for me to complain to the BBC about them not airing it, since I live in another country and I don't get the BBC.) What would anyone suggest as a possible action in that case? I suppose we could question our own public television stations, asking if they intend to purchase it?

Another thought: it's also possible to voice our disgruntlement as an international group. Could we not make up our own standard electronic form --- a sort of international petition --- as Colin Firth supporters around the world, simply demanding this film be in circulation and accessible to the world?Then people could fill out the form if they chose to. Potentially, the BBC could be deluged with emails from as many Firth fansites as chose to get involved. Anyway, I'm only throwing out ideas and would really like some constructive/ better strategies about what I can do. I do think that looking like an organized body of people gets you further, but I don't pretend to be politically savvy.

I think anyone can fill in the form...all you need to put is your name and email address, and ask about acheduling. No need to put where you live. To be honest, I think that DQ will eventually be shown "in the winter", whenever that is. The BBC moves in mysterious ways. I just can't believe that it would be regarded as "political" and suppressed. But questions about the scheduling can certainly be asked. As Anne said, go to it!

Just incase it seems that I'm always posting news of things that aren't going to happen, the "Blackadder" film is being shown on Sky (with repeats) in October, and the "Speaking with the angel" tape is read by the individual authors (a double cassette) and is available as advertised, November 2nd. CF is included the Times birthday list of the great and good...he's the youngest in the list by nearly 20 years.

"Speaking with the angel" tape is read by the individual authors What source are you citing for this? Waterstone's has just listed it, without readers' names, Amazon has not changed its, and nothing exists at the publisher's site. Of course, I do think that each will do his/her own reading.

You are all cordially invited to Colin Firth's 40th Birthday Party Sunday September 10th at www.colinfirth.com Topic 110: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/110.366

You are all cordially invited to Colin Firth's 40th Birthday Party Sunday September 10th at www.colinfirth.com Topic 110: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/110.366

(Karen) Shoot! Should've searched on "news" and not "events/venues." I hate the LA Times' setup. You should try reading the hard copy paper without the searching capability :-(. I scoured the entertainment section looking for FP news and found nothing. Then I saw Anne's message so had another go. I finally found the FP blurb buried in the once weekly listing of all the movies playing in the entire southern California area. This weekly listing is three to four pages of tiny, tiny type that lists all the films in alphabetical order with a tiny description of the film. FP is listed under "Special Screenings Saturday" and says only the following. "World Cinema 2000 (Monica 4-Plex [310-394-9741]) Fever Pitch (1997). An obsessed English football fan's life becomes complicated when he meets a woman. Based on Nick Hornby's (High Fidelity) novel. 11a.m." Now with that exciting description and eye-catching publicity, doesn't that make you want to rush out and see it? Somehow I doubt Phaedra is going to get an audience with this pathetic effort at advertising. There is no mention of it playing again on Sunday, no mention of playing at any other venues in following weeks and the movie is not listed anywhere on the listing for the movie theater where it is showing :-(. The on-line search capability is all well and good, but unless you already know about the movie you're not likely to find it by searching. Most people I know choose what movie to see by looking at the movies listed at each theatre so it's quite a shame that FP doesn't show up there. I'm also v. disappointed that the only times it is showing is three Saturday and Sunday mornings which is not exactly a convenient time to go to the movies. Not to mention that it's the most difficult time for me to try and sneak away from the DH to see a CF film ;-).

I just realized that the previous post sounded more peevish than I intended. Sorry to take out my frustration on all of you! It's just that Phaedra has been promising an LA showing of FP for two and a half years now, and let's just say that this is less than I hoped for. Sigh.

Perfectly understandable, Jana. Where else to vent your frustration about this lunatic strategy than here...the Peeved and Vexed board. (kidding, kidding - venting is healthy). Chin up. Give the hubby a long grocery list, take that shrink wrap off your new video and pop it in the machine. Paul will chase those Phaedra blues away.

Attention anyone in the Boston area: RV is playing in the Boston Film Festival today (7:15 pm and 9:30 pm) and tomorrow (11:45 am, 2:15 pm, and 4:30 pm). Brief, lukewarm review in today's paper concludes with: "Andrews exudes a starched warmth, and there are first-rate, crisply British comic turns by Colin Firth as a foppish nephew and Stephen Fry as a wizened butler."

Gorgeous pic of our birthday boy on the Entertainment Tonight website. Go to: http://www.etonline.com and click on celebrity birthdays. Looks like it's from a premiere, Livia in background.

Where else to vent your frustration about this lunatic strategy than here...the Peeved and Vexed board. (kidding, kidding - venting is healthy). That's news to me...I thought we were supposed to keep our frustrations under'lock and key'... *winkie*, *winkie*..... Psst... evelyn,,,that's just selective frustrations ;-))

(Heide) the Peeved and Vexed board LOL! The P&V board alternates with the Dancing with Joy board. Thanks for the ET link, Mari. Looks like it's from a premiere Yes, that's his copyrighted LA premiere suit ;-). Pic looks to be from LA SiL premiere.

Sunday Express had a page and half devoted to the birthday boys, "Colin and Hugh: Who's Top at 40?" Various categories. End result: Colin Fanciability Rating: With breeches - 10/10 Without breeches - 6/10 (obviously, woman writer hasn't reread what she wrote) ;-D Grant Fanciability Rating: 5/10 Black and white pic of Colin and Livia from some premiere/party. Same one as done before (red and black dress), but much larger and clearer. V. large pic of Hugh and Liz (in full color), with her wearing red and black see-through, cut up to waist dress) Am putting together and will post in its entirety. BTW, on p. 4, which highlights articles in Monday's paper, is notice for one on Jonathan F: 'Wasn't the Traffic Bad this Morning' Jonathan Firth on how small talk gets him through TV sex scenes.

Without breeches - 6/10 (obviously, woman writer hasn't reread what she wrote) ;-D HotPig and P were pre-abs, of course ;-D Am looking forward to reading the whole. Thanks for posting, Karen.

Am rethinking whether need to post, as is shoddy piece of tabloid reporting, absolutely nothing new, partial quotes that we've all seen before...

Please post Karen,we're used to shoddy reporting,it gives us something to get our teeth into:-D

Prompted to have a quick surf at The Mirror's site http://www.mirror.co.uk/(couldn't find any HG/CF billing debacle story) I happened across an interesting little button....search Mirror picture library - filled in the box, clicked go and 'Lo and behold' found to my sheer delight about ten shots (some of which I hadn't seen before) of ODB with/without Henry/Livia/Meg etc. This may be old news to many seasoned droolers for which I apologise...but couldn't deprive the non-enlightened of these great pix!

OK, here it is: http://www.spring.net/karenr/articles/express091000.html Not sure I'm going to link it or keep it up. The HG/LH pic is not the one in the paper. Can't find the longer shot on the web. But I know you don't really care. ;-D

Thanks Karen! I enjoyed reading that....as tabloids go, it's quite respectable. And much more favourable to Colin than Hughie! BTW the info on "Speaking with the angel" was from Choices Direct, a UK mailorder company for videos and talking tapes. I rang up for information. They were the ones who told me that the tape was to raise money for the charity for autistic children. I asked who was actually reading...and the salesperson reeled off the list of names. Also said one story had a "bad languauge" warning!

Thanks, Bethan. I remember you or somebody else had posted that Choices Direct had that info, but none of the other sites has posted it yet. And much more favourable to Colin than Hughie! CF is the clear winner.

Thanks, Karen! Now they have Livia listed as a script writer. I guess we will never know the truth.

Hey Bethan, on your suggestion I left a comment re DQ on the BBC website and guess what I received a reply today. Nothing new I am afraid and full of inconsistencies. They say there are no plans to screen DQ this year and I must appreciate that they only plan two weeks ahead, if that is the case how do they know it won't be screened this year. I said that if they had no intention ever of showing DQ would they please say so, have yet to hear a reply to that.

Thanks Karen...flattering article for Colin. Livia Giuggioli, a beautiful Italian scriptwriter,... That woman has more career changes... However, a recent survey for Company magazine of the 100 most sexy men in the world put Grant at a pathetic number 87, miles behind the top choice, Robbie Williams. Now that's embarassing....but who is Robbie Williams?

Re: Writing to the BBC These are letters to The Times: BBC squanders its classics goldmine From Ms Irene Shubik Sir, I was particularly interested to read your coverage of the BFI poll of top TV classics (report, September 6), as I was responsible for two of the programmes listed, Edna, The Inebriate Woman, which I produced on Play for Today, and The Jewel in the Crown, of which I was the deviser. Some months ago I suggested to the BBC screening a repeat season of Play for Today classics, accompanied by interviews of the key production people involved. The response to my idea, which eventually landed in the documentaries and history department, was quintessentially Birtian. It consisted of a bland few lines from two typed names in the "Development & Strategy Unit", first telling me that they were not interested, then giving the following warning: "Even if in the future we produce or commission a programme which you believe is the same or similar to your suggestion, but which has come coincidentally from another source, we cannot compensate you." I subsequently wrote to Greg Dyke, who had recently taken over at the BBC, forwarding the letter and wondering what happened to newcomers trying to put ideas to the BBC if someone like myself, who had produced for 14 years there, received such a response. My reply came not from Mr Dyke but from his correspondence secretary, who told me to communicate in future with her. At that point, needless to say, I gave up. Coincidentally, at the same time, I was commissioned to update my book on producing Play for Today for a new edition because of the ongoing interest in classic TV. Yours sincerely, IRENE SHUBIK, September 7. From Mr Gavin Wilson Sir, The BFI's list of many wonderful television programmes serves only to highlight the BBC's squandering of its magnificent archive. Masterpieces such as Pennies from Heaven (No 21), Blue Remembered Hills (No 36) and A Very Peculiar Practice (No 89) have never been available on video or DVD. Indeed, the BBC's failure to capitalise on the DVD explosion is a national disgrace. So far the BBC has only a paltry eight titles in its DVD catalogue, when some film companies already offer more than a hundred. What sort of government would grant the BBC a licence fee increase above the rate of inflation when the corporation is sitting on such an unexploited goldmine? Yours sincerely, GAVIN WILSON, September 6.

Hmmmm, lots of interesting stuff mentioned. BBC still a big wet blanket in the CF fan's life. Who is Robbie Williams? They can't mean Robin Williams, even if he is a sweetie. I always care about longer shots, Karen! I did read the whole Tabloid article too. Thanks for link to pics Tracy. I followed your instructions and viola! I still don't think it makes sense for a non-Brit to protest no BBC airing of DQ when I don't get BBC, but glad people are stirring the pot.

I followed your instructions and viola! I couldn't see any viola, though... I still don't think it makes sense for a non-Brit to protest no BBC airing of DQ A non-Brit can always express a surprise and commiseration on behalf of Brit friends... also anxiety if delays in British airing of programs mean that the American fans of the Beeb productions will be deprived. And there are Brits visiting Spring, of course.

I followed your instructions and viola! I couldn't see any viola, though... I still don't think it makes sense for a non-Brit to protest no BBC airing of DQ A non-Brit can always express a surprise and commiseration on behalf of Brit friends... also anxiety if delays in British airing of programs may mean that some foreign fans of the Beeb productions will be deprived. (Doesn't always apply to the Australians, lucky things!)

Robbie Williams is an English rock singer. Very handsome, talented too (IMO:-) Biggest hit so far I guess would be Millenium, out late last year. Has a new one out that I heard the other day; don't know the name of it yet, sounded great though.

Thanks Mari, it's ringing a bell now.

Hmmm, I of course meant "voila", and simply made a typo. I appreciate that most droolers don't find it necessary to correct or point out these little human occurrences.

(Ann) I left a comment re DQ on the BBC website and guess what I received a reply today. Nothing new I am afraid and full of inconsistencies. They say there are no plans to screen DQ this year and I must appreciate that they only plan two weeks ahead, if that is the case how do they know it won't be screened this year. *snort* Have had another brainstorm about BBC communication strategy. For each day of the week, there is a single, universal response to any inquiry about any program. Bet they just hit a button and all the e-mails say the same thing. Let's see what Wednesday's response is! ;-D

I appreciate that most droolers don't find it necessary to correct or point out these little human occurrences. Oh, lighten up. For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?

...Sounding fareley crankie today. Did some one get up on the rong side of the bed? Besides, knot awl of us subscribe to Mr Bennet's filosophie of life.

BTW, Colin did not get a birthday mention (again) at ET this weekend. Taped the show and they mentioned Hugh's for Saturday, but only Ryan Phillipe and Amy Irving's for Sunday. Maybe next year...

knot awl of us subscribe to Mr Bennet's filosophie of life. I see. Fiddlesticks, but no viola... ;-P

Thanks Karen,a fun article really & more publicity for BJD.CF does come off better but we know that already. I received my reply from the beeb today, sounds very similar to Ann's, apologizes for irritating me & then irritates me more by referring me to RT mag for info on listings.Since our emails to them don't seem to be having any effect maybe Sadie's idea of some sort of group effort would work. (Do hope my spelling is up to scratch *snort*) Synchro?

Sorry to hear of your frustrations when dealing with the BBC ---Ann & Judy. Just let me know when you want to start the revolution! (Eileen)Bet they just hit a button and all the e-mails say the same thing. Let's see what Wednesday's response is! ;-D LOL Eileen, sounds like American political campaigns! (Karen) BTW, Colin did not get a birthday mention (again) at ET this weekend. That's disappointing! I caught mention of RZ on ET (I forget which night) though no mention of BJD. Arami, Mr. Bennet is no model for how to win friends and influence people, and let's just leave it at that. In other words, let's just agree to steer clear of each other, ok?

Hi everyone Thanx for all your welcoming words at Colin's birtday celebration. It was a fabulous idea and very well done...funny as hell too ! Is this the topic we use for current Colin meanderings ? Karen e mailed me (thanks Karen ) a listing of the Colin Drool topics. However, I have a really crappy/slow computer and its hard for me to jump from topic to topic and I do want to keep up to date with you all. If I want to jump from this one to the Bridget Jones topic, for example, whats the best way to do it ? The only option I curently have, is to click on the Prev Topic button. That gets me to the BJ topic ok, however it takes me to the very first posts from 2 years ago and, I then have to spend AGES scrolling thru all the poss to get to the most recent. Any tips, fellow Firthians ? Was just reading some old posts about Colins weight. I think its a load of rubbish. He may have worked out to get in BETTER shape then he was in, but he was NEVER, EVER flabby. The nerve !! However, he does have a wide, somewhat fleshy face that will probably get jowely ( I know I've spelt that wrong, but you know what I mean ) as he gets older. So I suppose, his face can look abit porky in pix, but to me, it just adds to his rugged charm ( sigh ....) I've always thought he had a very distinctive, expressive face, not bland, or "neutral" as some interviewers describe it. I think thats what I love so much about his face, theres nothing of the "pretty-boy" about it....just pure character....yum !! It's an interesting face, dontcha' think ? I'd better shut up now, I'm starting to ramble. Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to get my monies worth. Who knows when I'll be able to post again with my rotten computer ? See ya Bethanne

Good, Bethanne, you finally made it over. If the "new" setting can't work for you because there's too much out there that is "new" for you, try the "week's worth" setting. For the main page is: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/drool/all/since/-7 For Colin: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/134/since/-7 For Bridget: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/131/since/-7 Then you can use the "new" settings. Bookmark these: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/131/new http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/134/new

(Sadie) let's just agree to steer clear of each other, ok? Oooh, pushy little number, aren't you? ;-P

Tracy, thanx for the link to the CF pix on the Mirror's website. I have read several references in CF interviews/articles to the famous "vacume" tabloid photos, taken when P&P fever was in full flight back in '95. Tabloid journalists were staking out his home and these pix seeemd to represent the national obbsession with CF at the time. I have been just DYING to see them ever since. So thanks for the link. Pity the pix are so small though, any ideas on how to enlarge them ? Beth.

Bethanne: Navigation suggestion: Once you become a regular visitor to drool, keep your handy little notebook by your side and note down the last response number for each topic you visited. (Ex: this would be 134.637 -- =Topic 134, response 637). Then next time you come in, just type into the address bar above the last place you were in (i.e.: "... drool/134.637") and "enter" -- you go right there and load only the new messages. To jump from topic to topic, just go up to the Address bar and type in the next Topic and response you want. (Using "new" is fine, but it has a disadvantage: it doesn't allow you to print down what comes up and in order to print, you'd have to note down the first response number and enter it into the address bar anyway). If this confuses, just ignore it. ;-)

Great idea....thanks ! 'Scuse my ignorance of navigating the drool rooms, but I only recently aquired my own PC, so I'm still learning the ins and outs of the internet....still, better late than never !!

(Judy)Synchro? LOL! If I understand you, yes, today. Welcome Bethanne! I was only able to pop into the B-day party quickly, and didn't have a chance to greet you there. he was NEVER, EVER flabby....So I suppose, his face can look abit porky in pix, but to me, it just adds to his rugged charm ( sigh ....) You've touched on one of my fave subjects --- Colin's face. I too don't care for pretty boys and much prefer CF's looks. I don't think the camera always does him justice --- maybe loses some of the subtle contours of his face. Have you noticed how amazing he looks in extreme close-ups where nothing is lost? I'm thinking of that P&P scene when he's in the carriage travelling from Pemberley to London to find Wickham. And those sideburns, sigh. But that's another subject....His face doesn't look at all fleshy then...or when he's sitting by the pond, skinting, looking damn sexy....I could go on and on, but I try to restrain myself these days. You should come by Darcy Drool --- that's where we discuss him endlessly in great detail.

hmmm, I meant "squinting" of course. Fingers slipped on the keyboard. Must remember to wipe drool.

Those cheeks were made for pinching ( Sadie) Ha snap!!

Anne R found a new interview with Jon Firth in a Scottish newspaper. Link here: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/3782/stone2.html A lot of Colin too. They are not the closest of brothers, IMO.

Interesting article on JF. I dunno about the "closeness" of the brothers bit. There are seven years between me any my brother and its really, really hard to be close to a sibling with a big age gap. One is already an adult and getting on with his life, when the other one is still a child. It makes any real closeness tough. I think there is another JF interview at the same site, talking about CF letting JF stay with him for long periods of time while J was still a struggling young actor. They apppear closer in that interview. I don't believe that he isn't just a wee bit jealous of his brothers success. How could he not be ? Sadie, glad you agree with me on Colin's delectable face. You used the perfect word...contours. I think thats the reason George Clooney and Brad Pitt don't do anything for me. I know they are very goodlooking men, but my stomach does not do the somersaults when I see them on screen that happen when CF is up there. Their faces are just too smooth and bland to draw my interest. There is a fabulous pic of Colin at one of his many websites, it may be Firth Frenzy or Colin Firth:Faces. Anyway, go to their photo gallety and look at the black and white photo from Empire Magazine. Its just an amazing picture. He is looking down at something, with his head bent. The camera portrays the beautiful play of shadows on his cheekbones. As it's a black and white and not a colour pic, the play of light on the planes and angles of his face is beautifully accentuated. Check it out !! Gotta go now, I'm drooling so much I'm making a mess onm y keyboard. O yeah one more thing, whats the Darcy Drool you are referring to ? Is this different to topic #134 where we are are right now ? See ya

Yes, Darcy Drool is at #112 where we drool about CF as Darcy, as opposed to drooling about CF as Colin (such fine distinctions, eh?) At BJD though, you can drool about Colin as Darcy because he is Mr. Darcy, v. confusing. -D

Quick catch up.. Just to say that I also had an email reply from the Beeb re DQ..."no plans to show the film DQ at current moment but they're sure I'll be happy (I'm ecstatic!) to know that DQ the series will be returning in 2001." (Same reply as Anne's) Sheer codswallop, to put it politely! Have now absolutely no faith in any of the BBC's utterances! ButI see that in the latest news on Lisa's Timeline website (always v. accurate) she's got news that DQ is scheduled by the BBC for the fall, and a precise date for "Blackadder".Here's hoping she has a reliable inside source! RE junior bro, I remember reading (and don't ask me for the source, probably something I read at the hsirdressers :-)) a comment by Helen Fielding, that she went to watch Arsenal with NH, Colin and his brother. And something about them having the same sense of humour. (this was before CF was married). Article in "Timeout" about a demonstration planned in London about plight of asylum seekers in UK and increasing racist attacks and racist agendas in the media. It's on Nov 4th, and there's a march to the Home Office from the Embankment in the morning, followed by a public rally in Trafalgar Square.

Bethan, I had a second email from the BBC today and they say that although DQ is not scheduled for this year it is earmarked for sometime in 2001, we can only hope and they do seem to be talking about the one-off drama DQ and not the series whatever that is.

Bethan, hate to burst your bubble, but the Timeline info (Blackadder date and DQ airdates) came from here. Perhaps you skimmed over those posts long ago. Actually, I think the fall DQ airdate was one you had posted ages ago. *hee hee*

Well, I went ahead and emailed the BBC using that form. I only hope they're not too rude when they tell me it's none of my business and call me a typical interfering American.

(Bethan)ButI see that in the latest news on Lisa's Timeline website (always v. accurate) she's got news that DQ is scheduled by the BBC for the fall Bethan...many of those CF website editors are Spring lurkers and get their info here, then post it on their websites without giving Spring as the source. We are always pleased to have them, however...just wish they would give us the credit;-)

Actually, I think the fall DQ airdate was one you had posted ages ago. *hee hee* I did wonder about that! Going round in circles.....oooooooooooo. I *was* told "October/November" :-( although DQ is not scheduled for this year it is earmarked for sometime in 2001.. Sometime? Well, what's two years. And ratings for the Beeb are at an all time low, the Controller of BBC1 has been "removed" from his post, the Director General is apologising for the lack of good drama (no money!). Cloud cuckoo-land!

(Evelyn) many of those CF website editors are Spring lurkers and get their info here, then post it on their websites without giving Spring as the source. Well, we can always coax them out by posting pictures from their sites here ;-). Am disappointed the Beeb can't come up with anymore creative run-around lies *oops* I mean responses to DQ inquiries. They seem to be alternating between these two stock replies--completly shoots down my two theories about their communication strategies. Rats. Thanks for JF article, Murph (good thing CF was referenced or OT police officer [aka spelling police] would throw you in jail). LOL about all the sideways references to Leprechauns (assuming he hasn't done many other American projects).

(Eileen) completly shoots down my two theories about their communication strategies. Rats. But have you forgotten the others? "Don't know anything about it." (which is tried first) and "Check your RT to see when it will be broadcast next" (a fairly new approach) That 4 stock responses. Surely there was another, so that your day-of-the-week theory holds.

Well, I went ahead and emailed the BBC using that form. I only hope they're not too rude when they tell me it's none of my business and call me a typical interfering American. Thanks for your support, Sadie! I'm all for the "interfering" approach, and plan to carry on interfering about this until I get a definite answer! It's good that Timeline has highlighted DQ.....might prompt more complaints to the Beeb. Welcome Bethanne! I agree with you about the delectable face. Hopefully after BJD hits the screens, there'll be a global appreciation.

Is anyone taking the DQ "conspiracy" theory to the papers? I would add that BBC is spending money on developing that Blair project... Will that be shelved too as too political or does BBC have a political bias that should be exposed? (an anti-Thatcher cum Brian Souter parable is not OK, but a Blair expose is?)

(Karen) Is anyone taking the DQ "conspiracy" theory to the papers? To me, that's the most effective way to go, starting with contacting that Scottish journalist because a) DQ is already on his radar screen and b) he already raised the issue of political controversy and DQ. A sympathetic ear, IMO. Have not had any luck trying to contact various phone numbers for info on the London Filmfest--could someone local give it a try? I was able to talk to someone at Sunlight Productions in LA (Binder's company) who told me that Londinium is "still being considered" for showing at the Fest. So, maybe the full program isn't available yet. Anyway, Londinium is not, as it stands now, being shown at any other fest. They are "showing it to exhibitors," trying to get distribution.:-(

I agree wth Bethan,Sadie 'interfer' as much as you want.I still think Sadies idea is a good one,a group effort,maybe we could do a joint one highlighting the some of the varying replies we've been given.I'll be interested to see what reply they give Sadie,if they tell her to read the RT then I'll know they're not reading the emails properly.Also we need to make a point of the series business,they didn't mention it to me.My reply was from Richard Carey,anybody else? A Blair expose - well he's giving us enough ammo to make it interesting,I have mixed feelings over Colin playing a Blair type figure.

Mari, see 136 re: film fest As I've said, writing the BBC is IMO useless, falling on deaf ears, as they say. Unless you mention the conspiracy/coverup aspects and say you are taking this to the press, you'll get no where.

Judy and Bethan, I was wondering if you have been communicating with the same person as I have. I have had two emails from a Damian Whyte, BBC Information and the second was much more positive, "ear-marked for 2001", is the most definite answer we have received, I think. Not sure about going to the papers Karen, we may be making a mountain out of a molehill just because it is CF. BTW much as I love to hear that JE & SD have two projects each lined up when oh when are we going to hear something about Colin, has he disappeared off the face of the earth since BJD finished!

Ann,Richard Carey is from BBC info as well.Had you sent another email or did he send it of his own accord? I am going to email back because I wasn't impressed with his reply. Agree its about time we heard what he's doing next.

Judy try writing to Damian Whyte at BBC info, he seems to know what he is talking about. Both emails were in response to mine but I did make a point in the second one that I thought not showing DQ was a real shame and a waste of license payers' money!

Damian Whyte knew that DQ was made in conjunction with Pandora Films who had Distribution Rights and said that was possibly why fans in Australia had already seen it!!!

I'm glad I have my copy of DQ..I doubt it will ever be shown in the US unless they use sub-titles. I have been writing to the BBC off'n on for over three years now on various projects....they never know what they're talking about..nevah!Hopeless!

The e-mails I received from the BBC was written by Cathy McNeill - yet another one eh! They certainly do have stock answers cause mine were the same as Ann's Interestingly the Director of BBC Scotland took our ABC over at the end of the last year and January we got D.Q. couldn't just be coincidence could it!

Sunday Express article CF beats HG! Just wait 'til MD beats DC in BJD. Our boy's gonna come out smelling like roses. Cute find, Karen. Gah! Susan thanks for the info on the Boston Film Festival. Not a word since. Guess that means no one made it. Unless it's been posted elsewhere. Sorry, not finished checking. Sounds like they're slipping these films in at the last minute. Bad for us. (Evie) .I thought we were supposed to keep our frustrations under'lock and key'... *winkie*, *winkie*..... Hey, you never heard that from me. I vent with the best of them, just different subjects, and you know I'll never put a muzzle on me. ;-) (Bethanne) I dunno about the "closeness" of the brothers bit. .. its really, really hard to be close to a sibling with a big age gap. One is already an adult and getting on with his life, when the other one is still a child. Good point. I think their closeness depends on which tack the writer wants to take with his article. I don't believe that he isn't just a wee bit jealous of his brothers success. Well if one of your recent roles required you to wear a blonde wig and put on fairy wings, you might be a little jealous you didn't get to play the Master role in TOTS too. ;-) And that was a cheap shot and totally beneath me and should be deleted immediately. (Sadie) Darcy Drool is at #112 where we drool about CF as Darcy, as opposed to drooling about CF as Colin (such fine distinctions, eh?) At BJD though, you can drool about Colin as Darcy because he is Mr. Darcy, v. confusing. -D You explained it all very well, you clever girl. I went ahead and emailed the BBC using that form. I only hope they're not too rude when they tell me it's none of my business and call me a typical interfering American. Now what do you care? We wouldn't be American if we weren't interfering. Good girl and I shall follow suit. It's for personal satisfaction if nothing else. (Bethan) Article in "Timeout" about a demonstration planned in London about plight of asylum seekers in UK and increasing racist attacks and racist agendas in the media. It's on Nov 4th.. Good find. Please keep eyes pealed for us. (Evie) I'm glad I have my copy of DQ..I doubt it will ever be shown in the US unless they use sub-titles. LOL! I'm with you there. (Eileen) Well, we can always coax them out by posting pictures from their sites here ;-). Make that a double snort for me.

Whats the scoop regarding the Sunday Express article about CF beating HG in the last post ? Is this the story from last week, about Colin being ticked off at HG getting billing over him ? If this is a new story, can you post it in its entirity, pretty please ? If it's the same billing feud story, just ignore this post. Thanx.

Same story from 131. Wouldn't want anyone to be ignored.

(Karen)That 4 stock responses. Surely there was another, so that your day-of-the-week theory holds. Yes Karen, fifth response is: There's no DQ here. We've just been wasting your time. They are actually the Monty Python crew enjoying a reunion, and have rewritten the Cheese Shop skit as "Cheesy Snots Skit". I have not received an answer yet from them, but at least I'm in good company. ;-) Thanks for your comments both Bethan and Judy. I feel better knowing you perceive it as support. I think it's time we opened up Pandora's box! What about going to the papers and contacting other CF fansites to get them involved in effort? The reason I think our own e-form dumped into their email would be more effective is 1) they would be forced to look at it; 2) they would realize that we are organized, international and complaints are not just a random occurence. (We are everywhere! suspense music here) What if we dumped emails into newspapers as "open letters" to the BBC? It doesn't really matter what their reasons are for hedging. Point is they are hedging, and we want DQ now! (Ok, so am just a rebel looking for a cause -D) (Heide)Well if one of your recent roles required you to wear a blonde wig and put on fairy wings, you might be a little jealous you didn't get to play the Master role in TOTS too. ;-) And that was a cheap shot and totally beneath me and should be deleted immediately. Wicked woman, I'm glad you didn't. Regarding email: Go to it! (I've been waiting for opportunity to say that.)

Okay rebel I still think that e-form is the way to go 'not just a random occurence' loved that,wonder what they think of all these DQ e-mails coming through. 'Go to it! (I've been waiting for opportunity to say that.) *applause* (couldn't resist)

Hey if there is some mass e mailing to the BBC that we can do, to ensure DQ makes it to our screens post haste, just let us all know and we can all take a crack at it. I'd love the Beeb to broadcast it so that my Mom in Ireland, can tape it for me. I'm dying to see it. CF loooks yummy in the snappies I have seen so far. After the limp characters he portrayed in My Life So Far and Relative Values, it will be nice to see him play a strong character again. Yum ! PS I rented Another Country at Blockbuster a few days ago. If any of you haven't yet seen it, do yourselves a favour and check it out. It's CF's very first film role and the assurance and confidence emminating from the 22 year old fresh-faced boy, is just staggering. In the movie, he plays a character who is very contemptuous of everyone and everything around him. Remind you of anyone in particular ? It's facinating to see CF as a sneering, mocking school boy and then fast forward 13 years later to the sneering, mocking, adult man from P&P. Rupert Everett has a much louder, brasher role than CF but its Colin who I can't take my eyes off in all of their scenes. He even keeps all his clothes on throughout, fancy that ! Anyway, check it out. PPS Major drool fest happening at #112 right now. It's hot stuff, but wear yer' wellies or you'll get soaked !! See ya

While having had the pleasure of seeing Another Country, I've never had the pleasure of seeing it stocked at my local Blockbusters outlets. The only CF film ever available from them was Valmont. Since My Life So Far and Shakespeare ... there are two films on the Colin shelf. Not that they display them that way but there's a thought. Colin's played a lot of flawed characters recently, hasn't he. But here Tommy was a model of integrity. Still you could see the turmoil and conflict he felt underneath. But oh! that hair, Louisa. That great thatch of pouffy hair was the first thing I noticed. Just as his teeth were the first thing I noticed in Valmont. ;-) If you like seeing our boy as a teenager, Bethanne, you should try Dutch Girls, if you haven't already. Though Another Country's not there you might also have fun checking out Film Discussions at colinfirth.com that Karen and Kirsten culled from our topic 98

And of course 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, not 2. Sorry I can't add, but do we really care?

(Heide) Gah! Susan thanks for the info on the Boston Film Festival. Not a word since. Guess that means no one made it... Sounds like they're slipping these films in at the last minute. Think you're right about the last-minute scheduling -- this one totally blindsided me. Didn't hear anything about RV being on the schedule till the day it was to be screened, and wasn't able to line up a babysitter on such short notice. Sorry:-(

(susan)Didn't hear anything about RV being on the schedule till the day it was to be screened, and wasn't able to line up a babysitter on such short notice. Sorry:-( Listen Susan....No need to apologize...you earned your stripes with MLSF two years ago.You're my hero:-) Besides...it's gonna be on the telly next month;-)

Totally agreed. Unless RV were playing close by, I wouldn't bother, given its immiment airing on TV. No need to feel bad, Susan.

Regarding Another Country: I think it's the first time I found a plaid bathrobe sexy. CF really emits a great deal of virility too --- and he's so young! I also think he makes communists seem v. sexy. -D (Heide)And of course 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, not 2. Sorry I can't add, but do we really care? Not me! I didn't even notice. Why nitpick when we can drool? Susan (hello btw) I'm just impressed that you knew about and were tracking the film festival.

Bingo on the Another Country bathrobe, Sadie. 'Wot about the the striped PJ's as well ? I aslo love the glasses that keeps taking off and putting on in exasperation. His character is VERY verile, if you ask me, physically and emotionally. His mental strength of character and dogged adhearance to his convictions (especially when subjected to the ridicule of his peers ) is O so attractive , when seen beside the rather effette, wishy-washy Rupert Everett character. Astonishing performance in somone so young, dontcha' think ?

Sure looks like RV is doing the festival circuit internationally. Would definitely pay to check out all FFs even in the US before the 10/22 airdate. Ben Elton�s Maybe Baby opens the Dinard Festival Of British Film, which runs October 5-8. In the competition section, Guy Ritchie�s Lock, Stock And Two Smoking Barrels� follow-up Snatch will square up to another much-anticipated, low-budget UK crowd-pleaser - Stephen Daldry�s Billy Elliot. Also up for the Hitchcock d�Or at the Brittany-based event are Peter Sheridan�s Borstal Boy; Paul McGuigan�s Gangster No. 1; Simon Cellan Jones� Some Voices; and Aileen Ritchie�s The Closer You Get. Other films screening at the event include David Kane�s Born Romantic, Ken Loach�s Bread And Roses, Kevin Liddy�s Country, Julian Kemp�s House!, and Dominic Anciano and Ray Burdis� Love, Honour And Obey. Mark Herman�s Purely Belter also makes an appearance, as do Eric Styles� Relative Values, Khalid Al-Haggar�s Room To Rent and Nigel Cole�s Saving Grace. Rounding out the main section are Jamie Thraves� The Low Down, Marleen Gorris� The Luzhin Defence, Genevieve Jolliffe�s Urban Ghost Story, Gurinder Chadha�s What�s Cookin� and Declan Lowney�s Wild About Harry. Director Julien Temple is expected to attend a tribute section showcasing his work. Films screening in the sidebar include Absolute Beginners, Pandaemonium and The Filth And The Fury. The Late Oliver Reed and Alec Guinness get tribute retrospectives Here's the website for the fest, although is in French: http://www.festivaldufilm-dinard.com/

(Sadie)I also think he makes communists seem v. sexy. -D And Socialists!

(Sadie)I also think he makes communists seem v. sexy. -D (Evelyn), And Socialists! That is a very thin line. ;-)

What he makes attractive is the form, not the content. I.e., not communists or socialists as such - but all idealists in general. (Bethanne)Astonishing performance in somone so young Exceptionally accomplished and effortlessly confident. A born actor.

Francoise from the Firth list posted this yesterday. If CF is in this, my heart might start to beat faster again! **************************** I found this on the Lola Film site. No mention of Colin. Fran�oise. _______________________________ In pre-production are "Gaudi Afternoon" to be directed by Susan Seidelman and starring Judy Davis, Marcia Gay Harden; the Carlos Saura directed English language period drama "The Maid of Buttermere" to be shot in the British Lake District, and the next Manuel G�mez Pereira Film, the English language comedy "Off Key".

Sorry, Murph, but that writeup at Lola is very very old. They've redesigned the website, but the page is ancient, probably from December 1999. Can tell from the status of the other films. Not only is Gaudi Afternoon not in preprod, but it is screening at film fests. Thanks for thinking of us. *sometimes I feel my lot in life is to squash rumors about MOButterball* ;-)

(Bethanne)Astonishing performance in somone so young, dontcha' think ? Indeed I do! Loved the glasses observation BTW. (Evelyn), And Socialists! (Moon)That is a very thin line. ;-) True, although having myself been both at one time or another, I think generally, the socialist men had a better sense of humour, but the communists were better l -- sorry, too much information! ;-D (Karen)*sometimes I feel my lot in life is to squash rumors about MOButterball* ;-) LOL Karen, turkey and squash go well together. And soon turkeys will be flooding grocery stores for December holidays too! I recommend special virtual glasses which run fave CF film when this occurs. (Or, fave sections from Possession?) -D

Girls, girls, girls, shame on you !! How could you say such nasty things about turkeys ? They are fowl without fault ! Remember, Bridget Jones ? The topic of Mark Darcy ( sigh, drool, slobber ) is first brought up at her mothers post-Christmas turkey curry buffet. Please, I will not have the bird responsible for all the lust filled thoughts that we have about a certain movie being released next April, insulted in this manner. If shagging Mark Darcy at a turkey curry buffet is good enough for BJ it should be good enough for us too ! PS Why do you all love Posession so much ? I read it s few years ago and thought it a pretty tedious read. Am I wrong ?

(Sadie) And soon turkeys will be flooding grocery stores for December holidays too! Sooner for us, as the big Turkey Day is in November. (Bethanne) If shagging Mark Darcy at a turkey curry buffet is good enough for BJ it should be good enough for us too ! "Shagging over" is one thing. Appearing in one is quite another. ;-D Re: Possession - we're talking about it on 137.

RE. Maid of Buttermere, I think there's more up-to-date news (I think!) at http://www.lolafilms.com .... if you check Lolafilms UK and Production. "Gaudi afternoons" is mentioned as in post-production, and MOB as part of a large slate of (ongoing) projects.

Same source, Bethan.

Evelyn), And Socialists! (Moon)That is a very thin line. ;-) (Sadie)True, although having myself been both at one time or another, I think generally, the socialist menhad a better sense of humour, but the communists were better l -- sorry, too much information!;-D Hey...wait a minute....I was just joking....I don't care what anyone is.Don't want to start an argument here;-))

The Italian Cultural Institute has updated its website and has a page for the program. It says the following about Colin's appearance: monday 13 november - 6.30pm Colin Firth reads Leonardo Sciascia (in English) One of the best known and popular actors working today, reads from the Sicilian author's works: "The Day of the Owl" and "Council of Egypt". Also says that Judi Dench will be doing a reading Cesare Pavese (in English) on November 27 http://www.italcultur.org.uk/futeve.htm

Does anybody know about the ticket availibility for CF's book reading on Nov 13 at the Italian Cultural Institute ? I saw on the website that it is free, so are tickets even for sale ? I will be visiting my Mom in Ireland some time in October or November and, I might just scoot over to London town for the day, to see our Darling Boy. However, I'm not going to go to all that trouble and expense, if I can't be absolutley certain that I'll get in. Could any of our wonderful UK based droolers call them up and find out if will it be on a first come, first served basis on the night of the reading, or do you need a a ticket in advance, to get in. Thank you so much !! PS Anybody else thinking of going ?

(Evelyn)Hey...wait a minute....I was just joking....I don't care what anyone is.Don't want to start an argument here;-)) Well, I was just joking too...and only speaking from my own limited experience. Notice I had nothing to say about Republican men -D *ducking* But then, CF has nevah played an American Republican. *Sadie's mind staggers at the thought*

Go to it Bethanne. And you know we will expect a full report. You may only have to R.S.V.P. You might try emailing them directly. To think that my DH will be there during that time. If only! :-(

Well, its not a done deal yet. I'm only going to do it if I can be 100% certain that I can get in. I mean, can't you imagine the hordes of lust crazed women beating a track to their door on the night ? Plus, the airlines need to have some pretty cheap seats on offer, before I can do it. Keep your figers crossed for me.

can't you imagine the hordes of lust crazed women beating a track to their door on the night ? It won't happen, you have nothing to fear. BJD is not out yet. ;-) I think Mark is on holiday now, but maybe we can talk him into going?

Bethanne, my understanding is that the response to the Sciascia reading has been so heavy that it's likely you will have to be a member of the Italian Institute to get in. But not to worry, it's easy to join!:-) 30 pounds per individual, or 40 pounds for family/friends which entitles entry for up to 4 people. Normally these readings are free, but because of the high interest (wonder why?;-) they may have to restrict it to memebers only. If you're serious about going, I'd call them as soon as possible. There also is a possibility that they may make audio tapes of the reading. Many thanks to the FoFs for the above info.

Normally these readings are free, but because of the high interest (wonder why?;-) they may have to restrict it to memebers only. Really? I doubt that the place will be filled with Italians. Must be those Volvo ladies (the new members), doing lunch. ;-)

Thanx for the info, Mari. I just came from the FoF website but I didn't see anything about this book reading there. I clicked on "new projects" and found nothing, then I went to "news" and the most recent newsy item is about Fever Pitch. Where do they have their CF/ICI info ? Thanx.

Now that I've got your attention.... Spring needs money in order to operate. There are many different kinds of expenses we incur at Spring. Some are one-time only and others are ongoing. Right now, we are raising money to pay for the very specialized software (Yapp) that makes these discussion boards very unique. We need a larger license to accommodate all the people who visit these boards, whether they post or not. If you are a lurker and visit here and just read, you are still creating a "hit," and the license we have is not sufficient for the number of visitors we get on a daily basis. When we exceed the license limit, the conference boards shut down automatically until Yapp determines that a new day has started. To keep Spring alive, we need to raise $1,000. In the past, a handful of people have kept Spring afloat. Many of our Drool supporters in the UK have taken advantage of get-togethers with US friends in order to pass along cash contributions. So for this fund-raising effort, I have put out the call for everyone to do what they can. For those in the US, payment can be made by check or by an electronic transfer via the PayPal system. In the UK, we will have a person who can accept your payments (by cheque or bank draft) and see to it that the monies reach us. For those of you in other countries, please email me. No addresses will be posted on these boards. Please email me for details.

The play Another Country is again being staged in London. There's an interesting article in The Independent. While it mentions Colin, liked the discussion of how the movie/play differed. When it was first seen in the early Eighties, the play helped launch the careers of Rupert Everett, Kenneth Branagh, Colin Firth and Daniel Day Lewis. One of the reasons Julian Mitchell is glad to see it revived is that he hopes it will "get the film forgotten-�even though I did the adaptation". A powerful aspect of the theatrical version is that no member of staff is ever seen: the only adult character is Vaughan Thomas, a sexually ambivalent literary intellectual who comes, as the guest of his nephew, to have tea in the Fourth Year library. The invisibility of members of staff brings home forcefully the frightening amount of discipline that was delegated to the prefects. Despite the panelled rooms, it feels at times almost like Lord of the Flies, the atmosphere charged in the panic that follows the suicide of one of the boys found in flagrante delicto by one of the masters. Required to "open up" the movie, Mitchell had to lose the eloquence of this pupils-only angle. But though teachers hoved into view on screen and there were new episodes depicting the young Guy Bennett's passionate crush on Harcourt (Rupert Everett and Cary Elwes shyly batting their beautiful lashes at each other), Mitchell was forced, ironically, to drop Vaughan Thomas (and his pacifist perspective of honest doubt) because the film medium can't tolerate much discussion of ideas. Then again, to satisfy the international market, the movie had to include an explanatory framework. Guy Bennett was first seen as an old man being interviewed in exile in Moscow, the body of the film a long retrospect. But, as Henry argues, the play version is more effective because it bides its time before springing its surprise-�that it is decadent Bennett and not Judd, the romantic Marxist and respected school joke, who will end up working for the Russians. Only towards the close should the various images that we've seen of Benne t-�gazing through binoculars, say, at the sexual talent in the quad-�be recalled as spooky premonitions of espionage. Full article here: http://www.independent.co.uk/enjoyment/Theatre/Theatre/2000-09/anothercountry200900.shtml

*Delurks* Hello, everyone...have been lurking here for ages (thanks for letting me read you over my morning cofee--this is far better than the morning Post!). Anyway, wanted to throw in a few words about the reading. First, I've exchanged a few e-mails with the Institute. I sent off another one this morning, regarding whether membership or an RSVP is necessary--as soon as I get my reply, I'll pass the info on. Second, I'll be in London for the reading (fortunate vacation planning on that one). I'd love to go with a fellow drooler, as my knowledge of Sciasca's works is appalling (and really, it's not like I'm going because of who's being read!) Back to being fully cloaked...

Jennifer Naw!! Don't put that cloak back on...especially when you may have an exciting Drool item to relate in the near future. As you probably know, many people here would pay to hear THE MAN read the telephone directory; we live for tales of near-CF encounters. Yes, please let us know what the Institute has to say regarding admission. I have some info about Sciascia's book, which I can email to you, but really, who cares about the text! ;-D

Wow, did I ever get a quick reply. Based upon the latest Institute e-mail, it looks as though you're going to have to be a member, and RSVP, for this one. I've just spent a very frustrating hour trying to ring the Institute to verify this. (for anyone who actually knows how to dial internationally, the number is (020) 7235 1461) It looks like I will be joining and will most likely go for the friends and family option, meaning I will receive three guest passes. Anyone who is planning on attending and doesn't want to fork over the 30 pounds, feel free to e-mail me and I'll see if I can use my passes for the event. Still quite vexed over my inability to dial internationally...grrrrr.

From the US you would dial: 011 + 44 + 20 7235 1461 Intl access code+ country code, then we drop that first zero in their numbers. Is only used within UK.

Welcome Jennifer! So happy to have you join us and with such good news! We will be awaiting your report. Our own (if I may be so bold! ;-), Mark G. might be up for one of the passes. He is on Holiday now, I think.

Welcome Jennifer! Cant wait to hear all about the reading -Pay close attention cause we're going to want lots of details! :-)

WELCOME JENNIFER !!!!!!! Don't you dare get back in that closet. The world needs more dedicated droolers and we now consider you one of us, so its too late to turn back now. Thanx for the info regarding CF and the book reading. I would love to be able to commit to going now, but I won't know until mid November if I'llhave the time off work to make the trip.... Grrrrrrrrrrr Hope you have better luck dialing internationally. When I call my Mom in Ireland I dial 011-353-1 and then her phone number. 353 is the Ireland code, so just substitute the UK one for 353, 1 is the number for Dublin, so in Londons case, you would put in the area code for London. I'm sorry, this is probably no help at all. Anyway, welcome aboard.

Looks like fall is a much better time for Coward...25 cinemas this week: 1. Strode Theatre, Street, Somerset 2. South Hill Park Arts Centre, Bracknell 3. ABC Cinema, Gerrards Cross 4. UCI 10 Parc Tawe, Swansea 5. Rex, Elland 6. Curzon, Eastbourne 7. Caledonian Allanpark, Stirling 8. Stevenage Cineworld The Movies, Stevenage 9. Wakefield Cineworld The Movies, Wakefield 10. Bexleyheath Cineworld, Greater London 11. Cineworld, Chesterfield 12. Rex Cinema, Wareham 13. Luton Cineworld, Luton 14. Swindon Cineworld, Swindon 15. Ashford Cineworld (Eureka Leisure Park), Ashford 16. Cineworld, Weymouth 17. Cineworld, Runcorn 18. Shrewsbury Cineworld Multiplex, Shrewsbury 19. Wolverhampton Cineworld The Movies, Wolverhampton 20. Milton Keynes Cineworld, Milton Keynes 21. Cineworld, Huntingdon 22. Stamford Arts Centre, Stamford 23. Cineworld, Newport, Isle of Wight 24. Cineworld Wood Green, Greater London 25. Cinema 3, Gulbenkian Theatre, Canterbury

Thanks Karen for the info...looks as though Cineworld has picked up RV. Thanks also for the posting on Spring funding. Will email you re. this.

Welcome Jennifer

Is there any information as to the casting of the current production of "Another Country"?

Welcome Jennifer (or Jen-Jen? I kinda like that too). A first-hand report of the reading would be most welcome. Hope someone can go though I know it would be a tough job for most of us to appear serious in the work of Sciascia and not the reader himself. Perhaps glasses, an all-black ensemble and a large piece of tape for the mouth to prevent reflex squealing would do. Interesting info on Another Country. Think the near absence of adult figures in the play to be very artful. The opening of the film is disconcerting for me only in Rupert's dreadful makeup to portray him as elderly. Would enjoy seeing the play though would prefer to go back in time, oh 17 years or so, to see our boy as Guy.

Personally, if I attended the reading, I think I would be in more need of a large piece of rope to tie me into my chair, as I doubt my own abilty to stay upright for very long. I think I would probably slink into a mushy pool of drool on the floor, as soon as he opened his mouth. This would also save Security, the hassle of having to continually pry my hands away from my iron clad grip of his legs, as I hurl myself repeatidly at the podium/stage. Srtaight jacket, anyone ?

I managed to drag myself over to Pasadena this morning to see Fever Pitch at the theatre during it's extremely limited Los Angeles run. It was fun to see it on the big screen, although I use that term losely since the screen it was showing on wasn't all that much bigger than a big screen TV. But it was bigger than my TV, and it was still a treat to see Colin at the movies in a film I like so much. There's that thrill when the lights go down and his name flashes up on the screen. Also as many of you have said, it was much easier to pick out the details (such as the teary face after the people are injured at Liverpool) then it is on my video copy. The copy of the film wasn't too great unfortunately as there were lots of static-y flaws popping all over the screen, but Colin looked great. Seeing the film at the theatre reminded me of why I love Paul :-). The crowd was very light, but actually bigger than I expected given the fact that there was no advertising at all for the film and it was showing in the morning before the theatre opened for regular business. There were nine people including me - six men and three women. Two of the men laughed a lot and loudly all the way through the movie which was enjoyable. I've seen it so many times it was fun to see how newbies reacted to it. I doubt we did enough business in LA to propel Phaedra to getting the film released in other cities, but it sure wasn't easy to get an audience there without any advertising!

"Blackadder" movie is on Sky1 next Sunday, 9pm. Brief item on radio arts programme about William Boyd mentioned that he "had written" a screenplay adaptation for his novel "Armadillo".

Thanks Bethan,keping fingers crossed for Armadillo. Sky have been showing clips of Blackadder all week including Colin's part,but haven't said when its on.

*sitting here, envious of you, Jana* So glad you finally got to see FP on the big screen. Speaking of FP, all of the online video sellers (amazon, buy.com, etc.) are showing the US release of the tape for November 21; it's at a "rental type." But the more important news is that there will be a DVD too for about $15. No pic of cover yet. (Remember, for those who want to buy the vid, get it from Canada.) So you could see FP at Blockbusters in about two months. (Judy) Sky have been showing clips of Blackadder all week including Colin's part,but haven't said when its on. Ha! More misleading advertising, I see. Sky must be taking its cues from the advertising for Turn of the Screw. Colin is in Blackadder for less than TOTS. Blink and he's gone.

Karen you're not kidding when you say 'Blink and he's gone.' I heard his voice first but when I looked up ,it was all over,with patience I've learnt which part of the screen he's on so when the trailer starts I stare at it *baa,baa*

Is there any information as to the casting of the current production of "Another Country"? (Heide) Would enjoy seeing the play though would prefer to go back in time, oh 17 years or so, to see our boy as Guy. He's the only reason I ever see AC...but if there is that much interest in Drool over the current production ,I'll take myself over to see it and give you a report.

If you want to read the entire Colin part in Blackadder, go here: http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/BA.html There are also three pics from the booklet.

Anybody know if Fever Pitch is showing in Atlanta, or is it just a LA/New York release ? I've checked my local paper, but I haven't seen anything.

You're not going to believe this, but *my* prayers have been answered!!! Donovan Quick is in competition (for first and second time filmmakers--not the major prize) at the Chicago Intl Film Fest http://films.site9internet.com/scripts/WebObjects/filmfest.woa/wa/film?film=31 It is showing on Saturday, October 14, at 8:30 pm and Sunday, October 15, at 4:00 pm Says that Franceschild came from Evanston...even better!! ;-D

Oh that is wonderful Karen, I am so pleased for you and you get to see it on the big screen and it is showing at prime time as well, oh lucky you. (wish I lived in Chicago!!)

Good news, Karen! Would love to hear the audience reaction. ;-)

(Karen) You're not going to believe this, but *my* prayers have been answered!!! Woweee! Someone pried it off the BBC shelf just for you, Karen! Hmm, seems a *very* timely present...;-D

Yes - WOW. Great news Karen

Super news, Karen! I have every confidence that you can more than ably conduct the requisite grilling of your homegirl, Donna F. :-) I like the pic they chose for the DQ page. Karen, didn't they say at one point that it wasn't "shot" for the big screen (for some techie reason beyond me). Was looking at the Fest's list of sponsors and BBCAmerica is one of them. Bethanne, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for FP to come to your town, since a)the video is due out soon and b)Phaedra are numbskulls. :-( Jana, glad you got to see it on the big screen!

(Mari) didn't they say at one point that it wasn't "shot" for the big screen (for some techie reason beyond me Yes, was not on right film type, although some fests accept Betacam Spand/or Digi Beta as this was shot on. Was wondering if this signals a change in strategy and are going for theatrical release instead of television. So many more British films are coming to market that maybe they think we might go for this one. Will do my best to find out. Right now, am composing my rave comments for jury to overhear (as will sit in row behind them). So far, I like these: "Best film to come out of Scotland since Ratcatcher." And, "Get so tired of those super dreary ones like Trainspotting; this was brilliant and politically incisive. What incredible writing and acting!!" (and as Lizza well knows, I will say these things as did in Donmar refreshment area in front of influential media people)

(Karen) What incredible writing and acting!! Ooh, say this one first. Alternate suggestion: 'Wow, that Colin Firth is one super/brilliant/wonderful [pick one; don't want to sound too effusive ;-D] actor. He should do more British TV.' That last part was for you, Evie ;-)

Way to go Karen.......looking forward to hearing if you are able to remain calm and composed through out the showing, or will you just disolve into one soggy puddle of drool. If the gorgeous DQ snappies are anything to judge by, they will have to pour you out of the cinema. I am soooooooo envious Anyway...........YOU GO GIRL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Karen) Was wondering if this signals a change in strategy and are going for theatrical release instead of television. But . . .if not on right type film is this a possibility? Or do they just have to be careful where they book it? Would be wonderful if it is. Admittedly, I know *less than nothing* about this. I like your rave comments for jury to overhear. Yes, this is in good hands.:-) As another alternative, suggest: "And the dialogue is *so* much easier to understand than Ken Loach's films." ;-)

Karen, am very happy for you. Must be all that good Drool karma....

(Mari) But . . .if not on right type film is this a possibility? Ah, but the reason (aside from screening the film for DF's family and friends) it is being shown on the festival circuit is to get a distributor. (v.v. important question that is always asked if filmmakers attend and take Q&A) The distributor would pick up the costs for transfering it to the right film stock. Besides, with all the digital stuff out there (Timecode) perhaps has less relevance. "And the dialogue is *so* much easier to understand than Ken Loach's films." ;-) All depends who is talking? ;-D But I'll definitely put that on my crib sheet.

forgot to add to this: But I'll definitely put that on my crib sheet. As Paul would say, "you have to vary the answers."

(mari)--Bethanne, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for FP to come to your town, since a)the video is due out soon and b)Phaedra are numbskulls. :-( Jana, glad you got to see it on the big screen! I just got an email from my friend at the Pasadena Playhouse. Thought you'd be interested in his reaction to FP:    ~~~~~~~As I indicated to you last week, on this past Saturday I went to see FEVER PITCH at the Laemmle theatre around the corner from the Playhouse. As I think I mentioned, I would have completely missed it, if it hadn't been for my friend ******, who works in the box office of the Playhouse, and whom I had told that I wanted to see the film. There were only 2--count'em, two!--showings at that theatre, since they were part of the Laemmle's World Cinema 2000 program, which are special showings of films that happen so quickly that they don't even put the names of them up on their marquee. You have to either catch the name in the movie listings in the paper, or else have gotten a copy of their flier, or, as in my case, have a friend who happened to catch it in the paper's movie listings.    Anyway, I found it a very enjoyable and well done film, frankly better (in my opinion) than many films that get much longer runs at movie art houses. And that's something, coming from someone who is not much of a sports fan. Colin Firth just made the character so appealing, that I couldn't resist him. Since the film actually was released in 1997, the print we saw showed quite a bit of wear and tear; apparently there aren't that many copies of it, so it gets shown a couple of times at one theatre, then passed on to the next one. I would imagine that when you get a video copy of it (I haven't checked, maybe it's already available) it will be made from a much cleaner print than the one I saw.    I'm glad you told me about the film. I hope you get to see it soon.~~~~~~~~ Who knows, Jana, he was probably in the same audience as you!. ;-) (As to my seeing it soon in a theatre near me... fat chance!) :-D KJ

Wow, that came from out of the blue. Great news and how fitting it's showing in Chicago. You must have been a very, very good girl for this reward. What a great (just a bit late) birthday present for yourself. Right now, am composing my rave comments for jury to overhear (as will sit in row behind them). Great idea. Just make sure you're not sitting by yourself. ;-) Tell us more when you can.

Couldn't happen at a better FF than Chicago.Our Girl Karen will not dissolve into mush of drool...believe me. Made of better stuff;-) Will have her script and strategy mapped out. DQ deserved more than just a BBC TV viewing. ( Had to get my dig in, ya' know ;-)

Great news for you, Karen!! But the mystery deepens. Is this a breakaway movement (aka Australian TV) by Donna Franceschild, or is there a change of policy by the BBC? All the other UK films showing at the Festival are film-films (as opposed to TV films) ("Hotel Splendide", for example, went on general release in the UK last week.) But if so, why not show DQ at the London/Edinburgh Film Festivals (it showed at Cork)....it's the right kind of film for the reviewers. And the format seems okay for a single screen showing. Puzzled.

Here's a real treat--Colin being interviewed at the RV premiere. YUM! Thanks to FoF Fran for finding and sharing: http://www.virtueinteractive.com/film/events/relativevalues/index.html

Thanks, Mari! I am stuck with Network congestion before they got to Colin. In all hopefulness I will be able to see it later.

The Real Player one takes a long time (with normal dialup) connection to see and Colin is last. It will stop and do a lengthy buffering about 5 times before you see Colin...but, need I say, his is the very best. Looks mah-vel-lous and gives the best answers of the bunch. Makes the "hills are alive" crack. The Windows Media player option is more like a slide show of stills. Not v.g. in comparison.

He's the best one by far. And did you hear the crowd shouting "Colin"!! Love his hair for Bridget.What a treat. Thanks Mari and FoFs.

O my, thanks for the RV link Mari. That was just wonderful, his short BJ hair, his BJ/top lawyer suit....Mmmmmmmmmmmm !! Wasn't it polite of him to apologise to the media for being late ? Very few other actors would bother. Anybody hear what the question was that he replied " I never really noice what I'm wearing " ? I couldn't quite make out some of the questions, but anyway, who cares as long as we got the answers, right ? He sounded mega posh I thought, a la Mr Darcy. Karen, I thought in one of your e mails to me, you said he didn't speak like that for real. Whaddaya' think ?

(Bethanne) He sounded mega posh I thought, a la Mr Darcy. I thought he sounded a like Paul when he said 'I've done alot of it [think the question was about costumes??], haven't I?'. Thanks, Mari.

No, he speaks in RP, although he didn't use a "daren't" as on this vid. Think I said he doesn't dress like Mr Darcy IRL - as far from it as possible. And his buddies didn't look like anyone Mr Darcy would know, let alone hang out with. ;-D

I don't know if this is new news or if, as usual, I spot things after everyone else, but if you've got a healthy bank balance, you could have a lot of CF in November in the UK! http://www.choicesdirect.co.uk have full details of "Speaking with the angel" talking tape. 10 stories raed by the authors. 4 tapes in all. Running time 360 minutes (36 minutes of his master's voice!) Available 02 Nov �10.39 http://www.blackstar.co.uk have details of My Life so Far ....available to buy 23 Nov at �53.59 Relative Values....available to buy 20 Nov at �59.19 I'm hoping that this means they'll be avialble for rental on these dates as as well (as happened with SLOW...still �66 to buy!)

Karen - Wot' were his friends like ? Remember, I didn't get to go to the Donmar. Details please, details !!!!!!! Holy S**t !! 60 quid for RV....thats insane !

(Karen) Donovan Quick is in competition (for first and second time filmmakers--not the major prize) at the Chicago Intl Film Fest wow, Wow, WOW!!! Great news, Karen. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fan of this film or to one who could make more of the opportunity than you will. It seems poetic justice that it should land smack dab in Chicago, just like Dorothy's house. (OK, OK, I know that's Kansas but you get the idea.) I just can't get over the fact that after all the mis-information and stonewalling circulating about this project that it pops up at a film festival. V.v.g. news. (KJ) Who knows, Jana, he was probably in the same audience as you!. ;-) You're right -that's the same showing I went to! I'm sure I saw him since a) the theatre was very small; and b) I was sitting there by myself and people watching because I was early and the movie started 10 minutes late. My DH opted not to get up early and drive across town to see a five year old CF movie - go figure ;-). KJ, your friend was right - the copy of the film was pretty bad, but I'm really glad he enjoyed it. Maybe he was one of the gentlemen I could hear laughing at all the good lines. I especially liked this comment that he made: Colin Firth just made the character so appealing, that I couldn't resist him. An excellent summation of this movie, if you ask me :-). (Evelyn) He's the best one by far. And did you hear the crowd shouting "Colin"!! Loved that part, but what the heck was up with that screechy music between the interviews? Had to keep turning down the volume during that. But the material point is Colin looked gorgeous. V. promising for Mark Darcy :-).

ATTENTION UK FANS I shall be meeting Ann W. at Brighton on Saturday. Please send your Drool Donations to Ann ASAP so I can bring them back to Karen and thereby not have to pay the conversion currency fee. Email Karen for Ann W's post address.Any amount....whatever Drool means to you...will help meet the goal.Let's make this a real Drool Team Effort... Went to Donmar last night. Report on 136

From Screendaily (9/26) - Looks like Carlos Saura's next project is ready to roll and it isn't... Altavista boards Saura�s Bunuel fantasy Growing Mexican production outfit Altavista Films is one of three international partners to board veteran director Carlos Saura�s forthcoming feature Bunuel And King Solomon�s Table (Bunuel Y La Mesa Del Rey Salomon). France�s Les Films Sans Frontieres and Portugal�s Hora Magica have also joined Spanish producers Rioja Films and CPI to back the much anticipated film from one of Europe�s premiere directors. Saura and producers Jose Antonio Romero of Rioja Films and Ferran Llagostera of CPI were on hand at the San Sebastian International Film Festival to present the project, a fictional adventure tale incorporating three legendary figures of Spanish culture: Luis Bunuel, Salvador Dali and Federico Garcia Lorca. The veil also was finally lifted on the actors who will play the leads: El Gran Wyoming as the old Bunuel, Pere Arquillue as the young Bunuel, Ernesto Alterio as Dali and Adria Collado as Garcia Lorca. The $4m film will shoot entirely in Spain for nine weeks beginning next month. International cast is expected to be announced in the interim.

Reposting of Bethan's message from above as do want to lose relevant information: Thanks for the posting on Carlos Saura, Karen! His latest film "Goya in Bordeaux" has just opened here to good reviews - he's taken seriously by the critics. As you know I'm a definite fan of the MOB project. I phoned LolafilmsUK to ask them about MOB (why haven't I done this before?). Very helpful young msn told me that MOB was still "on", but wouldn't be filmed this year. I asked when....was told "late spring at the earliest" next year He asked me to phone back towards December, when there would be more definite information. Didn't ask about the casting...will do so next time. Also, according to the Radio Times, "Blackadder back and forth" is available in BBC DVD in November, price �19.99

Don't forget, UK droolers, Blackadder Back and Forth is on Sky One at 21:00 tomorrow (Sunday 1st.

I don't know if this is old news but...according to the Amazon.com site, Valmont is being reissued on October 3. One of the mail order video stores told me this last year, and I have been crossing my fingers since. I can't wait to get my hands on a fresh new copy, as the one I rent periodically is showing major wear.

How nice, Lynda. Don't think the Valmont reissue news had been posted. Wonder if that means there'll be a DVD too, with *extras*???

Hmmmm...perhaps a new box cover - "Starring ANNETTE BENING". However, if there are new pictures I'd say it's worth a new copy. ;-)

Lynda, thanks for posting about re-release of Valmont. Must buy back-up of taped copy (from Encore). With the release of V in October, and the SWTA book/tape in November, am preparing myself for this new Firth of the Month Club. :-) (I wish...happy thought, indeed.)

(Lynda) I can't wait to get my hands on a fresh new copy, as the one I rent periodically is showing major wear. *heehee* Bet I know which parts are worn... ;-) (Karen) Wonder if that means there'll be a DVD too, with *extras*??? Hmmm, would pay extra for 'making of whirly-twirly scene'. Speaking of Valmont, those of you who've seen Almost Famous, what do you think of Fairuza's looks? Hope those chipped front teeth were fake. ;-)

what do you think of Fairuza's looks? Not bad for one that owns and runs an occult/new-age shop in Hollywood. A vg casting call on CC side.

Sounds interesting: TUESDAY Adapting the classics discussed by Andrew Davies and Jenny Uglow, with extracts from TV adaptations, The British Library, 96 Euston Road, NW1 (020-7412 7332) 6.15pm.

Fairuza Balk's chipped may well be fake, simply in the service of the character. It would be disconcerting to think that she can't afford a dentist. With luck there might be an issue of "Valmont" on DVD. Commentaries on the project could be illuminating.

Here's a link for more info (has pic of you know who): http://www.bl.uk/information/events/chpverse/september_events.html

Who saw Blackadder Back and Forth yesterday evening then? Apart from the obvious pleasure of seeing ODB in a pair of tights I have to say I was a tad disappointed with the piece. Being familiar with the TV series I thought the one-off show was not up to the usual standard of humour but I put this down to the fact that it had to cater for minors seeing it rather than its usual adult audience. In terms of length of CFs performance I suppose it ranks alongside TToTS (also having unfortunate hairdresser on staff ;-/) and could hardly have been called stretching (first appearance 1min 25secs and second appearance 10 secs -I kid you not - blink and you'll miss him). Nevertheless I did chuckle now and then, particularly when , in response to Blackadder's tirade (and sound kicking poor lamb) "..... that is for Ken Branagh's endless uncut four-hour version of 'Hamlet'.", Shakespeare (CF) retorts with puzzled expression "Who's Ken Branagh?". Who indeed! I have to say though *shielding self from tomatoes and sundry blunt instruments to be hurled imminently* I'm afraid there was evidence of Cornel's "p" word (but I suppose it was filmed ages ago - definately pre-arrival of new honed MD form). So that's my opinion - what say the masses?

Tracy, I also watched "Blackadder". My son (huge "Blackadder" fan, which I'm not particularly ) really enjoyed it. I thought it was okay, but I never had very high expectations of a 30 minute whizz thru' history for the Dome. And I knew it waa a CF cameo-cameo (a quarter of a day's work?). The actor who played Napoleon - Simon Something- is very well known from the theatre (so well known that I can't remember his name!) No need to duck....I agree with the "p****" word! :-) But one thing that puzzles me is how manages to look so different. He'd just completed DQ and "Londinium" when he did this, and it's just a couple of months after the stint at the Donmar, and he's rake thin in all of these, and much younger looking. Ditto RV which he did immediately afterwards. I think it's a combination of costume, hair, broad shoulders and facial expression (grim)....but he can make himself almost unrecognisable. Liked the line about Shakespeare being the man who invented the ballpoint pen! What I really want to know is how come it cost �3million to make? Dome type inflation?

(Bethan) The actor who played Napoleon - Simon Something- is very well known from the theatre (so well known that I can't remember his name!) Shame shame ;-D (do not read this Donna)You mean the actor who is currently proclaimed as the greatest Hamlet?? He'd just completed DQ and "Londinium" when he did this, and it's just a couple of months after the stint at the Donmar, and he's rake thin in all of these, and much younger looking. Is it not evident?

(Karen) (do not read this Donna) You mean the actor who is currently proclaimed as the greatest Hamlet?? Oh dear, you mean this fellow? LOL, what can I say?

(Eileen) Speaking of Valmont, those of you who've seen Almost Famous, what do you think of Fairuza's looks? Hope those chipped front teeth were fake. ;-) Maybe it was from all that pen chewing in the letter-writing scene?;-) To me, she looked like you'd expect her character to look, though in the beginning I was getting her and Anna Paquin's characters confused; they must have gotten a twofer on the wigs.;-) "Opie must die!!!!" LOL!

Is it not evident? Wouldn't know it was the same man. Well, he *is* a character actor, after all. :-) I didn't recognise Simon Russell Bealle either (thanks Karen and Donna) until I saw the credits. But I don't think I'll ever get a chance to re-scrutinise "Blackadder" as my son has taken the tape to school to "lend" to his pals. That's the real target audience (not P&P fans)! There's a movie called "Billy Elliot", directed by Stephen Daldry, which is getting a lot of raves over here (although some reviews aren't entirely positive), plus the all important hype and build up ("will make millions" etc). Same genre as DQ....dysfunctional working class family, fighting against the odds, batty grandmother. Was filmed after DQ and I'm sure will be hugely successful. If only the BBC could manage to give DQ some promotion...has a good pedigree...award-winning director/writer etc. This type of movie is definitely "in" at the moment. Don't they the understand the importance of marketing and the negative significance of keeping something on the shelf for nearly 2 years? (Answer...NO!!) Lokk forward to any info you can glean from the Chicago Fest, Karen!

Oh dear I do not seem to be able to cut and paste today! So re Bethan's post above. I don't quite understand why it was shown at the Dork film festival and was then shelved for so long. If their strategy was to market it as a feature film why not just go for it? Or just show it on television. A mystery.

*Dork* No offence meant :-) That should of course say Cork

Anyone here from the San Francisco area? Thanks to Anne R. for this: The Mill Valley Film Festival will be showing Relative Values on the BIG screen on Wednesday, Oct. 11, at the Cinema in Corte Madera. Show time is 7 p.m. For tickets call (415) 455-8005. For program information and ticket availability call (415) 383-5346. A complete schedule is online at www.mvff.com

From the PA: Blackadder proves a ratings hit once again The first new Blackadder episode for 11 years has proved a ratings winner for Sky TV. A 45-minute special made for the Millennium Dome attracted around 1.4million viewers when it was shown on Sky One on Sunday night. Blackadder Back And Forth was watched by 14% of people who have access to the channel, according to provisional overnight figures. The episode reunited stars Rowan Atkinson, Tony Robinson, Stephen Fry, Hugh Lawrie, Miranda Richardson and Rik Mayal for a time-travelling journey through British history. ******** Am certain that huge viewing numbers were due to unlisted cast member. ;-D

(Tracy) I'm afraid there was evidence of Cornel's "p" word Have only seen snappies (featuring stick-like legs) so I'll take your word for it. (Bethan) He'd just completed DQ and "Londinium" when he did this, and it's just a couple of months after the stint at the Donmar, and he's rake thin in all of these, and much younger looking. Ditto RV which he did immediately afterwards. Could be the costume. Or else he must go on this amazing fat and carbo-loading diet when he's not working (which wasn't long last year). Yikes! Wonder what he looks like now? Hope he's sticking with Cornel's regimen. ;-P (Karen) Am certain that huge viewing numbers were due to unlisted cast member. Writer of blurb clearly did not recognize him. ;-) (Bethan) There's a movie called "Billy Elliot", directed by Stephen Daldry, which is getting a lot of raves over here Is that the one about the boy who becomes a ballet dancer? If so, I saw an ad for it yesterday. Opens with "from the team who brought you 4W&AF and NH..."

(Allison) *Dork* No offence meant :-) That should of course say Cork LOL! I must admit I was wondering for a minute if the word *dork* has another meaning across the pond. Had visions of a Jim Carrey retrospective (the AVPD movies, D&D, etc.). ;-) Perhaps the festival of stuttering mastubatory perverts? ;-)

Eileen - Have only seen snappies (featuring stick-like legs) so I'll take your word for it Yes, stick-like legs but also powerful Bjorn Borg-type shoulders, v. confusing combination! Many other have probably said this before but - putting mad hairstyles and unfortunate facial hair aside, it never fails to amaze me just how cameleon-like this guy can be - witness the amazing transformation from Walker to Ned (3DOR)..all it takes is a pair of specs and a tub of lard and "Bingo!" - goodbye, hunk in cuddly green jumper..hello, geek in a cardie! No wonder I have so much trouble with colleagues pointing to my 'wallpaper' (photo same as that which adorns drool page) and saying 'who's that?' - have given up trying to explain that he is Mr Darcy and yet is Paul Ashworth too. (So many other actors are always the same, always themselves - even when not playing floppy-haired, bumbling, love-struck Englishmen - now who could I mean.) Perhaps this knack could be put down to, what I think he is quoted as saying is, his neutrality - in addition to superior acting skills - which go without saying.

(Tracy) Yes, stick-like legs but also powerful Bjorn Borg-type shoulders, v. confusing combination! I felt the same way when I saw him as Wessex in SIL, as he looked so portly in the film. V. v. confusing. As for his chameleon-like qualities, I am embarrassed to admit that when I first saw TEP on the big screen, I didn't recognize CF (Now I need to run for cover from the tomatoes, I fear! This was pre-Drool for me, and I had only seen ODB in P&P2) until I saw the credits at the end. (I know, how could I miss that voice�*wince*) Boy, did that get my attention!

For all those in the UK who have yet to see MLSF, it will definitely be available for rental on November 27th. (This probably means that RV will also be available for rental on November 20th.)

(Bethan) (This probably means that RV will also be available for rental on November 20th.) What makes you say that?

(Tracy) Perhaps this knack could be put down to, what I think he is quoted as saying is, his neutrality - in addition to superior acting skills - which go without saying. For him, the transformation is just as much internal as external. I had just been glancing through some old interviews, and I was surprised how often he says "I" when talking about his current character, whoever it was. I think he somehow just "becomes" somebody else when necessary. His identification with the character is so total, that he just leaves ol' Colin behind temporarily. (No wonder he gets a little nervous about his profession occasionally!) :-) KJ

(Mari) What makes you say that? Because those are the dates blackstar has for those videos going on sale at "rental-type" prices. I believe Bethan posted that earlier. (KJ, unless she'd prefer being called something else of her own choice) ;-D His identification with the character is so total I smell another "method acting" discussion...

I smell another "method acting" discussion... I do not. Method acting is so over-rated.

Just saw an ad in my local paper that Starz will be free this weekend (for Time Warner Cable). Maybe this is a national thing. Am wondering if they will also run an introductory special rate so that we Americans can sign up for a month and tape RV.

(Lisa) Just saw an ad in my local paper that Starz will be free this weekend Too bad it's a few weekends too soon. *tsk*

Speaking of the Chicago Film Festival, I noticed this and thought ODB would be perfect: Organizers of the Chicago International Film Festival are attempting to find a replacement for Goldie Hawn, who reportedly accepted an invitation to be the festival's honoree, then changed her mind at the last minute, the Chicago Tribune reported Tuesday. The festival, which is due to open on Thursday, has scheduled its annual gala on Oct. 21, where the actor or actress selected to be honored will be introduced. (from IMDb) apologies if this belongs on Odds and Ends.

I got *unofficial* confirmation today from A&E that Colin is doing Armadillo. Production is already underway. As we had heard, it will be a 2-parter, written by William Boyd and produced by Sue Birtwistle. They anticipate it will air in the U.S. on A&E next fall. (I'm guessing the BBC will air it first, but not sure.) Keep an eye on the trades--Variety, Hollywood Reporter--as there will be a press release, but they wouldn't say when.

(The Other Karen)...(KJ, unless she'd prefer being called something else of her own choice) ;-D Not really. Like I say, just not "Late for Dinner". (KJ)His identification with the character is so total ...(Other Karen)... I smell another "method acting" discussion... Method acting, schmethod acting. I'm not talking about theory or application or "How to do -- in 10 Easy Lessons..." acting. I'm talking about What happens to ODB when he's acting, which is personal to every actor, I'm sure. I'm just fascinated with the tendency of his *apparently* being Colin and then saying "I" when referring to, say, Edward P. in the middle of an interview.... ;-) KJ

Mari - I got "unofficial confirmation today that Colin is doing Armadillo Thanks Mari you have made my day, but I wll still keep my fingers crossed until it is official.

Maybe we'll be able to find out more about DQ's future when they're in LA, unless someone wants to give a few disgruntled employees in Paris a ring...I'll give you some names of people who have brushed me off. ;-D Pandora says au revoir to Paris By Cathy Dunkley and Charlie Masters Pandora, the foreign sales and production company headed by chairman Christian Bourguignon and president Ernst Goldschmidt, has shuttered its Paris-based operations after a restructuring. The move comes in the wake of Gaylord Entertainment's acquisition of the company and its desire to concentrate Pandora's corporate and business operations in Los Angeles. The move follows the announcement of Gaylord's overall four-year co-financing and distribution deal with Warner Bros. and the appointment of veteran producer Hunt Lowry to head Gaylord Films and Pandora (HR 9/15). Bourguignon and Goldschmidt have stepped down from their former posts. Goldschmidt remains a consultant to Pandora, which will remain as the specialty prestige label of Gaylord. The majority of the staff under Goldschmidt in Paris also is expected to leave the company. Pandora's senior vp worldwide sales Shebnem Askin will relocate to Los Angeles from Paris. Established in 1982, Pandora began as a distributor of international television programming. Specializing in film and TV programming for international markets, Pandora's projects include "Shine," "Kolya," "Like Water for Chocolate" and "Maybe Baby." Its recent film "Donnie Darko," written and directed by Richard Kelly and co-produced with Flower Films, will be previewed to domestic and international buyers at the London Screenings and MIFED. The film stars Jake Gyllenhaal, Jena Malone, Drew Barrymore, Noah Wyle and Patrick Swayze.

(Mari) I got *unofficial* confirmation today from A&E that Colin is doing Armadillo. Ahhh, news at last! Good job, Mari! Even unofficial news is better than no news (but thanks for making the distinction).

Mari - I got "unofficial" confirmation today that Colin is doing Armadillo Hallelujah! Unofficial or not, it's news and that's what matters - well scooped Mari, you've made my day!

Yes, Armadillo's been a "possible" for so long now. Nice to see it's graduated to the "probable". Lisa, I ordered my Starz! today ;-). Expect to cancel it, oh, in about a month.

Thanks Mari! Great news! I'd been holding my breath about this. The weather has been surprisingly mild and sunny over here...ideal for any outside location work. I think "Armadillo" is a great project for Colin. Milo/Lorimer is on every single page - the action follows him. If it's a two parter, it will probably be about 3 1/2 to 4 hours long...and no fastforwarding required! I'm very happy that Sue Birtwhistle is working with CF again. I'm sure she'll protect his interests....he must have a close relationship with her, and her husband, Richard Eyre (now Sir Richard!) (who directed "Tumbledown). Unlike David ("me") Puttnam, who never mentioned the cast once, despite hundreds of (boring) interviews! Evelyn, I know it's TV, but it's quality TV, and it will be seen by millions. You might get it first in the US..."Madam Bovary" aired first in the US, a few months later in the UK. I'm glad that there's an A&E collaboration. I no longer trust the BBC!! They're showing a BBC film "Care" (all about child abuse, which i'd rather not watch, thank you) on Sunday, BBC1 9.00pm, which is *the* prime slot. I know that "Care" was filmed after DQ, and yet the Beeb apparently have no difficulty in finding a prime slot for it in the schedules...why not "sometime in 2001". DQ puzzles me..is it a movie (okay, show it at feastivals) or a TV film (okay just show it!) Will email a coomplaint again! Waterstones are stocking up with copies of "Speaking with the angel", book and tape. Thanks Karen...my assumption about the release video dates for RV was based on the Blackstar info. MLSF, according to my very helpful video library/store man is definitely out on Nov 27th. Don't know if will hit Blockbusters in a big way, but they should have one (or two!) copies.

Re: Pandora...Gaylord Entertainment's acquisition of the company They are local Oklahoma people....own half of Nashville. (Bethan)Re; Armadillo..Evelyn, I know it's TV, but it's quality TV I no longer turn my nose up at CF doing British TV...it beats the hell out of the lousy starring movies.He seems to enjoy it and doesn't have to promote it, attend premieres...win/win. Thanks Mari for persevering. (Bethan) I no longer trust the BBC!! And don't ever take the BBC tour of their building and studios on Woods Lane.. Royal waste of time. LOL...I went by to tour the Museum of the Moving Image: Television and Films on the South Bank and found it has been closed....Now does that tell you something???

Mari: This Armadillo news is great! I feel excitement rising again....Thanks. The only thing "wrong" with A&E is that it is cable after all, and the audience will be limited over here, as it was for P&P. I still wish for broader viewing for him. But still, a great book and a great part. So glad.

There is hope for us here!! Did anyone catch the new show The District? "Clive" (David O'Hara) is a regular and he speaks in full Glaswegian Clivespeak! They're conditioning us. ;-D And Peter Firth is a regular on another new show "That's Life" which has the Colin lookalike (Steven Eckhart) on it too. Could Colin be far behind... ;-D

But still, a great book and a great part. So glad. (Mary) Yes, let's hope this is the start of great things to come (TV and movies) and we'll be seeing CF in the roles he really deserves! I'm looking forward to seeing him in a contemporary role again, and looking like himself ... he looks much younger in the shots of him in "real life". Well on the right side of forty. :-)

So Murph, if all goes as planned for Colin, with BJD and Armadillo, will you put your site up again? :-)

Hey, Moon, Karen and others are doing such a great job, I'd be redundant (sp!) Still, it is nice to see good solid news.

(Heide) Lisa, I ordered my Starz! today ;-). Expect to cancel it, oh, in about a month. IMO it's one of the better premium channels available in the US (far better than, say, Cinemax, whose idea of prime time movies is 'Sixteen Candles'). Starz has the best of the recent films, e.g., they aired Onegin when it was still playing in the theaters. You might find it worth the extra $$. (Karen) which has the Colin lookalike (Steven Eckhart) on it too. Hmm. Must check this out. ;-)

Sunlight Productions extends an invitation to Colin Firth fans to a private screening of "Londinium" in Los Angeles and New York tomorrow. "Londinium" stars Colin Firth, Mike Binder, Mariel Hemingway and Irene Jacob and is a cosmopolitan comedy. TUESDAY, OCTOBER 10TH 2000 LOS ANGELES 7:30pm Twentieth Century Fox, Zanuck Theater (Pico and Motor) enter at Motor entrance reply to: (310) 565-0217 NEW YORK 6:30pm 59th Street East Cinema (between 2nd and 3rd Avenue) reply to: 212-627-0414 These are private screenings. This invitation is to Colin Firth fans. Kindly forward to fans you know of in Los Angeles and New York and other Firth friends. Thank you and look forward to seeing some of you there! Sunlight Productions

Bring on the Bubbly....is this the distributor? Great News!! Two of ODB's productions premiering this month! WOW...hope we get a report from some kind soul.

Will spread the word, Karen!

It is not a premiere, Evelyn, only a private screening. Is Sunlight Prod. the Binders company, Karen? Mari and Murph, I hope you get to go. And make sure to ask about a release date. And you moved away, Eileen!

Thanks for the news, Karen. I just called and left my name to reserve a ticket. I have to give a presentation at a late afternoon meeting and it will be a squeaker whether or not it's done in time for me to drive across town by 7:30, but I'm going to try. Winter and Marianne, you want to try and hook up?

Yes, Sunlight is the Binders' production company. They are probably showing it to potential distributors. *fingers crossed for HBO* ;-D (sorry, I'm a little light-headed right now)

Not moi, Moon. That's 100+ miles of good road and no way could I be up there after work by 6:30 on short notice. The good news is, it looks like we definitely have some takers from those in the NY area. Jana, I do hope you get to go! Karen, Showtime might be a possibility too--hey, if they bought TSM . . .;-) HBO would be a bigger audience, though. Now, go eat something; sun is already down in the Eastern time zone.:-)

Have called and left my name & phone numbers ... hope to see you there Jana. Not sure, but isn't Winter still in Bali?

I think she's back. Come out, come out, wherever you are, Winter. Her first visit was only for a month and, by my calculations, she should be back. I would accept Showtime too. ;-D (sun's not down here yet)

(Marianne) Have called and left my name & phone numbers ... hope to see you there Jana. Yea! I will keep my eyes peeled for you in manner of H.F. book signing :-). I left my name and numbers on the recording too. I would have preferred to talk to a live body, but if we don't hear anything back by tomorrow I guess we assume no news is good news and that our names will be on some kind of list at the Fox gate. Since there are likely to be potential film distributors there we will have to make sure we are v. enthusiastic about the film and drop lots of comments like, "sure would like to see more of that Firth guy in more films". I hope the film merits at least some of these positive comments so as not to appear as simpleton or similar :-). I'm not worried about Colin mind you, but after viewing "The Sex Monster" am almost afraid of what the Binder bros. have in store for us.

Am keeping my fingers crossed for you girls. Get your glowing comments ready. Mari, how come these things never come to our neck of the woods? :-( May need to move. Eileen, is your house still for sale? Two of ODB's productions premiering this month! Better than that...it's three. DQ, RV and now Londinium.

(JanaJH)drop lots of comments like, "sure would like to see more of that Firth guy in more films". You don't need to do this. This is a ahowing for Colin fans, you can be open about it :-) Go for it, ladies!

Great news Karen! Very short notice though. I'm not worried about Colin mind you, but after viewing "The Sex Monster" am almost afraid of what the Binder bros. have in store for us. (Jana) I always find that when I see CF movies for the first time I so want them to be good that my critical faculties go into overdrive and I notice everything (sometimes more bad than good)! So to make you all more relaxed about the potential horrors of a Binder production, here are some positive notes: One. It was shot last year during six weeks of (almost unprecedented) constant brilliant sunshine in London. MB wanted to make London look good...he's chosen locations like the London parks, the British Museum, the South Bank Complex (National Theatre) and Little Venice. Even if the direction is uninspired (!), it should be very easy on the eye, and it will be good to see London as a cultured, romantic city rather than some drab gangland battlefield (as usually depicted in Brit movies). The cinematography, I think, is by the person who did "Mrs Dalloway", a very good film in the old-fashioned sense. Two: CF seems to be heading the billing now! Three: Stephen Fry is always good value. Four: Jack Dee is unknown in the States, but very popular here, especially with "youf" (My sons rate him with Ali G!). He's always looks miserable, and has a totally deadpan delivery. Five: Irene Jakob is beautiful and talented. She's currently in the news in the UK as she is going to be appear in the West End for the first time (she does a lot of theatre work in Paris). Six: Alan Rickman and Juliet Stevenson have just starred in a Mike Binder written/directed movie, so MB can't be all that bad, can he? (Or maybe AR/JS thoughht "Hey, MB's just done a movie with CF/I/SF...can't be all that bad, can he?) Seven: I liked Mariel Hemingway in that Woody Allen movie. Haven't seen her recently. So, go to it. Enjoy! Look for the positive and give it a good reception. no matter what!! BTW I didn't expect it to be selected for the London Film Festival. It's too non-arty, middle of the road. And probably critics won't like the romanticised view of London (people going to the theatre, sitting in the park, instead of drug pushers, prostitutes, corpses etc)

(Bethan), Even if the direction is uninspired (!), it should be very easy on the eye, and it will be good to see London as a cultured, romantic city rather than some drab gangland battlefield (as usually depicted in Brit movies). I didn't expect it to be selected for the London Film Festival. It's too non-arty, middle of the road. And probably critics won't like the romanticised view of London (people going to the theatre, sitting in the park, instead of drug pushers, prostitutes, corpses etc) I agree! It is about time to give London a change of scenery. (Karen), They are probably showing it to potential distributors. (Gi), This is a ahowing for Colin fans, you can be open about it :-) I agree with Karen. Inviting CF fans is one way to fill the theatres on a short notice. Potential buyers like to see that. So by all means praise the DB. Jana and Marianne, so glad you are going. In all hopefullness, we will get the East and West coast reports. :-) Winter, are you back?

(Moon) Inviting CF fans is one way to fill the theatres on a short notice. Potential buyers like to see that. Exactly! It's *our* job to create good buzz, good audience reaction. Talk it up, ladies. Stuff like: "I know all my friends are going to love this film; wonder when it will open. I must tell them!!"

BTW I didn't expect it to be selected for the London Film Festival. It's too non-arty, middle of the road. They showed SLOW twice last year....hmmm...wonder what category that would fit in;-) Does Max Binder make "middle of the road films'?I...don't...think....so...

Well, he certainly doesn't fit into the category of "young African female filmmakers," does he? More like "Woody-Allen-Wannabees" ;-D

Waddaya know, there is life in Londinium! (Moon) And you moved away, Eileen! Oh, well, them's the breaks. I was up there last weekend, too. *sigh* Lousy timing. (Heide) Eileen, is your house still for sale? Nope, sold it last spring. But I'll see what I can do if CF comes to B'way. ;-) (Bethan) CF seems to be heading the billing now! Naturally, since the message was directed to CF fans. Sounds good to me anyway. (Moon) Inviting CF fans is one way to fill the theatres on a short notice. Are there enough of us to fill theaters? I don't know about that, especially on short notice. That said, we better have a bigger turnout than the private showing for Mike Binder fans. ;-P Thanks for posting the news, Karen (while fasting on your day of atonement). Looking forward to reading reports from the lucky attendees.

Good reports from NY: The film is funny, sexy, romantic, and Colin is great in it!

Presenting the London Londinium screenings!!! London, UK � Tuesday, October 24th, 2000 at 14.00 ABC Panton Street, Theater 2 London, UK � Thursday, October 26th, 2000 at 15.45 ABC Panton Street, Theater 1 See if you can get in by emailing this, with subject should be: RSVP Londinium Screening londinium@sunlightproductions.com

While we await the polls closing in California, am going to post some of the comments on the Spoilers to Current Firth Productions Topic #126. See you there!

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Thanks for the information on London screenings Karen. I have e-mailed.

Help - Can someone please tell me the nearest Underground Station to Panton Street as I cannot find Panton Street on my London Map.

Leicester Square or Picadilly Circus. Have e-mailed you.

Ohhhh I am grrrrreen ...and to think I missed it by a few weeks....:-(( Have a wonderful time, girls! Who else in UK is going?

Mark, I hope you can make it. We enjoy your reports so much!

Yes, I shall try and make it. Hope to see you there briefly, Ann & Aishling. But I will not be able to linger as that will be my (long) lunch break on a potentially very busy day.

Maybe, just maybe, I could make it on Thursday. I have promised a visit to my sister and I'd better not wait too long. I have e-mailed her to see if it works out for her. I'm glad the screenings are in the afternoon. This way I can still make it to Cambridge the same evening and won't have to spend the night in London.

I can honestly say that I had no regrets in missing last night�s episodes of Buffy and Angel for Londinium. From all the talk about Mike Binder�s background as actor, writer, producer???, I was pleasantly surprised with how good the film was. Ok, my perceptions of the movie � 1) Mariel Hemingway looks old � old and tired � couldn�t they afford a good make-up person to do something about her eyes. 2) London is beautiful! 3) What bald spot? Ok, there was one scene where there does seem as if there is one, but otherwise his hair is perfect � dark, thick, full, stylish. 4) What weight problem? If anything he seems thin, especially his arms � he should do some arm curls. And maybe get a tan, just a little color, so he doesn�t appear so pale. Ok, ok, I�m from L.A., and I�m used to a certain superficial type here ;-) 5 CF did not have much of a wardrobe. He seemed to be always wearing a dark (greenish/brown/drab) corduroy jacket. Even in bed, he had on a black t-shirt (during both marriages). 6) CF and IJ make a beautiful couple. 7) One of my favorite scenes is when CF tells MH the reason why he doesn�t want to have sex with her. It�s because he�s bloated � and gassy (after eating a huge meat pie). I thought that scene was hilarious. 8) CF is an amazing actor. Any scene with him in it enlivened the movie. And to be fair to Mike Binder, he actually came up with a movie that gave equal time to all four major characters. CF gets 2nd billing, but it was done in alphabetical order. He plays a sexually repressed??? producer. There is a whole arc where he goes from being uncomfortable around the talk of sex to where he becomes an embodiment of romantic passion back to being uncomfortable with intimacy and then for the sake of his wife, back. Am I giving away too much? Did I mention it was a good movie?

(Mari) Good reports from NY: The film is funny, sexy, romantic Goody! *clap clap* and Colin is great in it! *sigh* He always is, isn't he? Here's hoping a distributor picks it up (preferably one which will include Philly, Chicago, anywhere in OK or TX and DC ;-)). *fingers crossed*

Am I giving away too much? (Marianne) Nope! I'm one of these awful people who read the end of the book first. But I wouldn't want to spoil it for other folk. I have to ask though...does he get married twice? Does he actually get to act sexy (as opposed to the repressed Englishman), and does he get to kiss IJ? (with enthusiasm, I hope!) I thought they made an ideal couple in MLSF...would like to see them finally get together!

Please take these *spoilers* to 126. Some have been discussed there already. Thanks.

ok, am off to 126

Marianne, thanks for your report--so glad you got to go! I have the same spoiler questions as Bethan, but also 2 others: --Were there any studio or TV suits there, i.e., anybody who looked like they'd be in a position to buy this?:-) --What was the audience reaction and were you asked to fill out any comment cards? (the people in NY weren't).

Hi everyone, I'm sorry I'm so tardy. Work has been a zoo today so this will be quick, but I promise I will write more at the Spoilers topic as time allows. Just a couple of general tidbits here.... 1. The screening was handled very professionally for which I was grateful. We did not get any confirmation after leaving our names on a recorded message and since the screening was on a movie lot with scads of security I was really dreading having to try and gain admittance by confessing I got my invitation from a Firth fan club :-). Luckily that wasn't necessary and it was fun to see the film at the lot. 2. V.v.fun to see Marianne again! We arrived about at the same time and were able to sit together. The theatre was quite large and almost full by the time the movie started. Perhaps the Binder's have a lot of friends :-)? 3. I was surprised that there was no announcement or discussion at the beginning or end of the film. The lights just went down, movie showed and everyone left. Did any reps from Sunlight speak at the NY showing? 4. Overall I was pleasantly surprised and the movie was better than I expected. I don't want to excite your anticipation too much - it's not a GREAT FILM or anything like that. But it's a clever, frothy romantic comedy and there were several lines that made me chuckle. I thought the writing and premise were much snappier than The Sex Monster. I'm not sure if I was prejudiced because Colin was in it or not. 5. Colin has a big part and looks great, although I prefer him without the beard. He gets to show a lot of ranges of emotion alhtough I found the character he was playing to be a bit too wimpy to lust over. V. funny and excellent acting though. All in all, it's a pretty decent part with good dialogue (as long as you remember that the movie itself is very light, fluffy entertainment). 6. I really enjoyed the rest of the cast as well. Irene Jacob was charming and Mariel was actually funnier than I've seen her before. I especially liked the supporting cast. Stephen Fry and Jack Dee were hilarious and added a lot in smaller roles. 7. Bethan, you were absolutely correct about the setting and locations used. (sorry - too pressed for time to go up and find and copy your post that mentioned this). But bottom line, London looked gorgeous. Sunny, shiny and a must see travel destination. I guess that's it for now. I'll try and stop by the other topic later but feel free to throw out any questions.

(Mari) I have the same spoiler questions as Bethan, but also 2 others: --Were there any studio or TV suits there, i.e., anybody who looked like they'd be in a position to buy this?:-) --What was the audience reaction and were you asked to fill out any comment cards? (the people in NY weren't). No comment cards in LA either. Other than handing out a single sheet that listed the principal parties involved in making the film, no discussion or presentation of any kind on the part of Sunlight. The room was full of people who appeared to be in the entertainment business but I couldn't tell if anyone was from a distribution company or not.

Re Londinium Screenings Thanks from me too Karen...at last a big screen Colin fix - just hope I can make it. (Suggestions for plausible excuses to get off work early gratefully received)

Think I can safely ask this here (besides too lazy to get back to 126). Is it possible that this film will be changed before general release? Since there weren't any comment cards it doesn't sound as if they were looking at this as a test audience but I remember how long it took MLSF to get released after much tinkering. Thoughts? Anyway, excited as hell about it.

We can safely assume that Mike is happy with his film. It will not suffer from the Miramax/Putnam cuts of MLSF. ;-)

(Tracy) Suggestions for plausible excuses to get off work early gratefully received OK, gotcha covered. Pick whichever one suits your fancy. - My [family member] or [dog/cat/ferret, etc.] is sick - I have a major plumbing emergency at home (works every time) - I'm getting married this afternoon - I'm meeting the Pope this afternoon - I'm meeting Tony Blair this afternoon - I'm meeting Jeffrey Archer this afternoon and so on, and so on... ;-D Seriously, I hope you can go.

Thanks for the feedback on Londinium, ladies. So glad you enjoyed it - for several reasons ;-)

We can safely assume that Mike is happy with his film. It will not suffer from the Miramax/Putnam cuts of MLSF. ;-) Yes, no delays please, or major re-edits or thirty minute cuts. The withering on the vine process. Which is what (if I may return to my favourite grouch for one second!!) is happening to DQ, courtesy of the BBC. I was most annoyed to see a huge advert in today's Times... "BBC Films is very proud of "Billy Elliot" (it's a BBC Films-Working Title co-production. How about "BBC Films doesn't give a **** about DQ"!! Have just fired off another email asking why it takes 2 years to show this film!! Karen, when you see it at the Chicago FF (tomorrow?), if you can find out anything about what's happening to DQ, I'd be very grateful. On the one hand they're talking up "Billy Ellio" for the Oscars, whilst letting DQ rot...and there's probably not all that much difference between them. Enough, enough...grrrr. "Londinium" bodes very well for CF in BJD. He just needs the right project (probably contemporary), the right look, and major, major multiplex exposure, and suddenly everyone will be saying "who is that guy?"...*the* breakout, at last! :-)

The other day was BBC America's day at the Fest (monitors everywhere showing their programs). Talked to the rep. He hadn't a clue about DQ. Only knew vaguely about the other two BBC films at the fest (Greenfingers and Saltwater). The "kid" was there to push cable, as BBC America is only now just available within the city (has been available out in the suburbs). The special fest program shows DQ in 35mm

Thanks Karen! 35mm not Super16? Can they convert format? Let's see if I get a response to my latest email to the Beeb..!

Bethan, did you mention that our US friends/CF fans are lucky enough to see it before the UK fans. Ausralia, US what about the UK?!!!

35mm not Super16? It was never Super16. The specs I had seen were Betacam SP and Digi Beta. From what I can find Betacam SP is video, high-quality professional grade video though. "Following the demise of the Betamax consumer format, Sony introduced the Betacam format for professional users. It was the first of the small format machines intended for ENG and EFP use. The "SP" tape is an upgraded version of the Betacam (1982, Sony Corporation, aka 1/2-in Type L). It is especially popular for field acquisition and post-production work." Digi Beta is digital video and one place said the BBC uses it a lot for documentaries. Yes, these things can be transferred to another format.

And could you hold off telling the BBC anything. Wouldn't want to alert them in case they don't approve and yank the film out of here. Wait until Monday, puh-leez!! :-)

No news of CF from Baz today but he does say: Watch out for James Frain, who has been shooting The Count of Monte Cristo on locations in Ireland. He will star in the TV dramatisation of William Boyd's novel Armadillo. And to all those going to see DQ in Chicago, have a great time.

...alongside CF I hope!

Oh Gawd! I hope so. What does "he will star" mean? Mari, your confirmation was that Colin was actually doing "Armadillo" and had *the* starring role, wasn't it? I can't actually see who James Frain would play other tnan Lorimer Black. He was in "Elizabeth" as the Spanish envoy...dark, curly hair, thirty-ish. Lobby? Torquil? Am having "Hugh Grant as Mark Darcy" palpitations here! Or maybe he'll be one of the crooked busimess men (Rintoul?)I really hope so!!

Oh don't Bethan, I am joining you in those palpitations, why oh why could Baz not have put us out of our misery and said "co-starring with Colin Firth". Mari what do you think?

I have sent an e-mail to Baz but don't expect to hear from him.

Thanks for the news, Aishling. "Starring" can mean anything. Shoot, Honor Blackman is starring in Bridget according to some of the papers, when we know it is just a cameo. I'd say Frain (young Gustave in Sunshine) is Flavia's husband (dark curly hair, handsome, although supposed to be older than Lorimar). Is there a physical description of Torquil? Moon, you are reading the book now.

Reassuring words, Karen! Sorry for the panic and palpitations, Ann...(but anything to do with the BBC makes me deeply, deeply suspicious...no longer have faith!). I guess Frain could also be Lorimer's brother, although he's supposed to be much older. But the dark "foreign" looks would be appropriate. But then casting isn't always that literal. Torquil is very English, but slobbish ( I picture Tim Spall in this) But if it's "official" that James Frain 'will star' in "Armadillo", can we hope for the rest if the cast?

I have finished it! I would guess he would be Torquil, unless, Colin does not have the Lorimer role. Definitely not Gilbert. A very open ended book. One could really work a script out of this one. I look forward to seeing what Boyd and Colin came up with. It is a shame that CF is still not confirmed for the lead. Why does this always happen? Sheer Achimota? ;-)

(Bethan) I picture Tim Spall in this Yes, I've pictured an American actor similar to Spall, although he's bald. Don't know why??? (Moon) Definitely not Gilbert. If that's the husband, why definitely not? Time to reread book.

Review of Donovan Quick in the Chicago Reader, the free alternative paper, but which has IMO the best main reviewer in town. But this wasn't done by him. It's always dicey to adapt a classic story by trying to make it conform to the very specific peculiarities of the present, though some such adaptations are truly inspired, including Dashiell Hammett's great detective novel Red Harvest and Akira Kurosawa's great film Throne of Blood, both adapted from Shakespeare's Macbeth. Director David Blair and Evanston native Donna Franceschild cowrote this adaptation of Don Quixote, which is neither an ingenious retelling of an old warhorse nor an empty academic exercise. Colin Firth is appropriately comic and quixotic as Donovan Quick, a mysterious stranger who rents a room in the town of Clydeside from Lucy Pannick (Katy Murphy) and almost immediately locks horns with the evil multinational Windmill Transport Bus Company by setting up a competing operation. Blair does a nice job of depicting life in working-class suburban Scotland, populating the film with a coterie of charming eccentrics-�though much of this seems familiar from other British films. And several snatc es of dialogue too conveniently explain things that have happened offscreen. But overall this is a pleasantly told moral tale. (reviewed by Joshua Katzman, who has totally missed the political message)

I just called A&E, spoke to the same person as last time, and they are really stonewalling. I asked point blank about CF and JF, citing the British press reports, and was told "Casting hasn't been fully established yet. They are still casting. We can't comment further at this time." This is, of course, considerably different than the last time I called. At that point, they would not confirm anything officially until the press release went out--BUT--she knew I was inquiring specifically about CF as Lorimer; finally, I asked if, as a CF fan I would be pleased when the press release came out, and she responded, "yes, you will definitely be pleased." That was about 2 weeks ago. Don't know what, if anything, has changed in the interim. It's entirely possible that Frain has another role, as Karen said. Or, as I am starting to fear, Colin withdrew at the last minute; maybe something else came along. I'm sorry if I excited everyone's anticipation prematurely, but really I don't know what other conclusion I could have come to after the conversation of 2 weeks ago. Baz seems a better bet for info at this point. Does anybody have his phone number--can it be obtained by calling the Daily Mail? Plan B would be contacting the Black Hole--Colin's agent. Or, if we hear nothing prior to the Sciascia reading, ask Colin directly. Oh, here's another thought: find out who James Frain's agent is and call there. Honestly, you'd think these people were protecting state secrets. It's a movie, fergodsake! I don't think the press corps covering the Nixon White House ran into this much trouble. "What did A&E know and when did they know it?"

Thanks Mari for phoning. Surely Sue Birtwhistle wouldn't let CF down, and I can't see him withdrawing at the last minute. But what does "watch out for JF...he will star in..." mean? I read it as taking the starring role, otherwise why watch out for him. And why not mention other members of the cast. Or (positive thoughts!)it could mean that they are getting together an all-star cast in a very strong production which will be very successful and be watched by everyone. I mean, if he said "watch out for Tim Spall...he will star in.." I'd just assume he had a major role, but not Lorimer. Yet, what could change in 2 weeks? And surely finance is raised against a proposed cast? I just hope it's another BJD type scenario, where no-one could confirm that CF was playing MD. What did his (don't ring me) agent say ..."who knows?" Then a few days later, it's confirmed. It's really gut-wrenching.

***Important info for those hoping to attend the Londinium screenings in London*** I've heard that no one has gotten a response yet to their RSVP e- mails to Sunlight Productions. I just called them and here's the deal: Unlike the NY and LA screenings, the London screenings were designed strictly for potential distributors. They are at small theaters with limited space and were not intended for fans. HOWEVER . . .I spoke to Jack Binder (Mike's brother--very nice guy) and he said that if you have already gotten your e-mail RSVP in, he will respond to you and you will be able to get in. He did say that the screenings are filling up fast and that it may be necessary to cut it off due to space limitations. So . . .you should be hearing something very soon. If you haven't yet sent in your RSVP, I'd say get it in right away and hope that there's room. He did say that there probably would be more screenings in London at a later date in case you don't make this one. Also, they do not yet have a distributor anywhere, but said they were hopeful of getting a theatrical distributor for this one--not just a TV deal as was the case for TSM.

Evelyn, didn't you have a contact who said that CF would be playing a "foppish" character in a TV production. Clutching straws here, but I thought that would be Lorimer in "Armadillo". Just getting very bad vibes about this. But how could things be okay two weeks ago (A&E's response indicates that CF is "it") and change dramatically. This project has been in the pipeline for some time now. JF tends to play supporting roles and he's definitely not tall, and he looks southern European, whereas I imagined Lorimer, despite his family origins, looking like the English/Scottish gentleman. I'm trying to convince myself here! Too disappointing otherwise! :-((

Thanks Mari on both counts but why oh why is nothing straight forward with ODB. I shall be on tenderhooks now until we hear one way or the other. Incidentally I have just emailed Baz at baz.bamigboye@dailymail.uk.co and even if we don't get a personal reply he may mention something in next week's paper.

Emazil to BB had just been returned, can't quite understand it as Sishling sent one to this address and that was not returned, however, I havve tried something different, same as above but have reversed to .co.uk and will see if this works.

Take some Prozac, ladies. BBC casting information is, indeed, covered by the Official Secrets Act or didn't you know! ;-0 I cannot believe that anyone but Colin would be playing Lorimer. First off, James Frain does not have the right look for the chameleon-like character. He is far better suited for Flavia's husband. And the second reason is that, when I spoke to Armadillo's production asst at the end of July, when the actual production office was just being set up... [to be cont. on Sfolks]

and what I can't understand Mari, okay so they can't say who is in it but surely they can say if Colin isn't. It's unbelieveable.

(Moon) Definitely not Gilbert. (Karen), If that's the husband, why definitely not? Because Gilbert's part is not as big as Torquil's. There is also David the rock star and Mr. Hogg his creepy boss, but Torquil spends lots of time with Lorimer. As I have stated the book is open to interpretation so the script may vary. (Mari), Honestly, you'd think these people were protecting state secrets. It's a movie, fergodsake! I don't think the press corps covering the Nixon White House ran into this much trouble. "What did A&E know and when did they know it?" LOL! I feel the same way. It must be sheer achimota! ;-) Or, if we hear nothing prior to the Sciascia reading, ask Colin directly. It did not work with Colin when we wanted to know about BJD. He always went round the question, remember? I have e-mailed Baz in the past and he never answers.

(Moon) It must be sheer achimota! ;-) Please translate...

Be patient, Gi, you should receive your copy of Armadillo very soon. ;-D

Take some Prozac, ladies. BBC casting information is, indeed, covered by the Official Secrets Act or didn't you know! ;-0 (Karen) LOL! BBC casting info is indeed sacrosant! As is all information about the BBC. Anyway I'm going to stop worrying...it's just BJD/HG/Mark Darcy all over again. I can't see anyone but CF playing Lorimer and I can't believe that a partnership between CF and SB wouldn't work out. Baz talks to lots of people...maybe JF is up for a role in "Armadillo", no more than that. I remember being plunged into similar doom and gloom about "Londinium" because I was convinced that Jack Dee had the lead romantic role (Just the way it was reported ..."Jack Dee is to star in...Also in the cast are CF...") Wish we had a friendly mole in ICM though...would save a lot of palpitations. :-)

Perhaps this will make you feel better. Saw this item in Ananova: "Patsy Kensit has revealed her deep regret over her decision to turn down an offer to star in the US series Friends." Star?? Come on. The role of Ross' girlfriend Emily was not a starring role. Then: "The role of Emily was eventually played by Helen Baxendale who shot to fame as Dr Claire Maitland in the BBC series Cardiac Arrest and later starred in the comedy drama Cold Feet." Shot to fame? Where? Anyway, see what I mean? Your press use the term "star" very loosely.

I'm back! Yes, I was in Bali for a month, but spent the last week at a cousin's wedding in Honolulu, Hawaii. I got in last night... Thansk for the updates/emails/review Jana, Marianne and especially, Karen. I rarely ahve time to respond to them, unfortunately... will email you all ASAP.

Yea! Winter is home. Missed ya, honey :-).

Aargh, more suspense about Armadillo. Thought Baz was on our side...didn't he issue the initial news about Armadillo waaaay back when? I'm in agreement with Karen regarding use of the word 'star' interchangeably with the word 'act'. finally, I asked if, as a CF fan I would be pleased when the press release came out, and she responded, "yes, you will definitely be pleased." Great detective work. Who says being a Firth fan doesn't result in the development of new skills? (Mari) "What did A&E know and when did they know it?" LOL! Where's Judge Sirica when you need him? ;-P Will just hunker down and await some [good] news.

Karen and Evelyn, have a great time at the DQ screening tonight. What a treat to be able to see this on the big screen and under optimum viewing conditions. We'll be anxious to hear your report. Karen, BTW, "Capone" has been posting his reviews of various Chicago Fest showings at AICN--including Greenfingers (he agrees with you), and at least one of the films competing with DQ for the new filmmakers prize. Am wondering if he will review DQ, and thinking that perhaps someone else may want to give it a whirl.;-)

In honor of DQ being shown to the general US public, shall we attempt a simultaneous viewing with Karen and Evelyn? Hmmm, somehow I don't think it will be the same. Looking forward to your reports.

Speaking as one of the DQ deprived (AKA British drooling contingency) - I am so looking forward to your posts as it's probably the nearest I'll get to actually seeing it for a while yet ;-(

(Mari) finally, I asked if, as a CF fan I would be pleased when the press release came out, and she responded, "yes, you will definitely be pleased." (Mari again) I don't think the press corps covering the Nixon White House ran into this much trouble. Mari, you are every inch the investigative reporter in manner of Woodward & Bernstein, for you were able to obtain a non-confirming confirmation (the opposite of a non-denial denial) from the woman at A&E. :-) Brava. I am in the "Colin will star as LB in Armadillo" camp and shall not waver�. Ladies, thanks ever so much for the reports here and at the spoilers topic for Londinium. What a treat. Karen and Evelyn, can't wait to hear about DQ on the big screen. And in less then one week, I will see RV. I can hardly believe it, for I usually see ODB's films about 1-3 years after everyone else!

We're baaaaaack!!!! And are we happy!! It was wonderful, wonderful, wonderful...and fantastic!! I was so afraid it would look like a television movie, but it doesn't...at all. There were about 80+ people in the audience, not a sellout, but OK, especially since no local reviewer recommended it as a "must see." However, the audience reaction was great, especially when Donna Franceschild introduced the film and mentioned Colin's name as agreeing to be in it. There was a little squeal and applause at that.(it wasn't us, honest!) As I said the film looked great. He looked great. You could just see every little emotion on his face. The film IS dark in those scenes within the Pannick home, blue in flashback and light outside. You just can't imagine what those closeups are like on a huge screen...or that loping gait. *am grinning like a complete fool* Gram got a laugh every time she appeared, which bothered some of us as it seemed to ignore the seriousness of the subject matter (at the hospital even). We definitely got the feeling that people recognized the performances were wonderful, even though Clive is still a tough one to understand. BTW, nothing wrong with the sound. Time to backtrack, as I said Donna Franceschild intro'd the film. Said that David Blair, the director, wasn't there because he didn't fly. She had never done this, but really is a natural. Very funny. After the film, she took Q&A. From my scribbles, as best I can remember: 1) What was she most pleased about or what would she change? Talked about how she had been writing for more than 20 years and the process continues. The script was organic and continually worked on. Said was most pleased that they got the cast they wanted. Had put together their "dream cast" which was headed by Colin and they sent him the script and he liked it and said he'd be in it. With his name attached, everyone signed on. 2) Did the story come out in driblets or all at once? Not really answered in this one, but interesting insights. She knew she wanted to protray a man who goes mad, but when was he mad, i.e., as Daniel Quinn or Donovan Quick. Also she wanted to question why do big companies do what Windmill and that is because they can do it. 3) What has she done in the past? Yadda yadda 4) How long did it take her to do this? Approx 3 years, because she got writer's block but her work ethic made her finish it because she felt guilty having accepted payment in advance. She didn't know at the time that many writers who accept advances don't finish. 5) How was the film received in the UK? Funnily enough, the film has never been shown in the UK. They (BBC) is afraid no one in America will like it. [audience catcalls at this point] They are waiting for people in America to tell them it is good enough. We have good news and bad news: First the bad news, you aren't going to see it on TV if Donna & Co. have their way. They want a theatrical release and they've been the ones who have kept it off television. Now the good news. It will be screened at this year's Birmingham Festival (November 15-26) and at the Cairo Intl Film Festival. They are really trying to find a distributor. If they don't, then it will shown on BBC. So you can stop emailing the BBC. 6) How long did it take to make? Approximately 45 days and had budget of about 2 million something. 7) Did you film different endings? On the day of the shoot, Colin came on set in that suit and she barely recognized him. He was "metallic." When she saw that, she said to him that she would write a different ending, and his reply was "don't you dare." DF said that the ending showed how he had been haunted and that we should conclude that the treatments had "cured" him of hypomania. There were a few more questions of not such significance. We talked to DF and her agent afterward. Wanted to get further info on future showings and I gave her my email address. We did volunteer to put the word out. OK, Evelyn is really fading now. More tomorrow and our second showing!!

(Karen) Colin came on set in that suit and she barely recognized him. He was "metallic." Hi Karen, thanks for the interesting report and passing on the good vibes. By the way, what was your interpretation of metallic? Did she mean cold, aloof? Or was his suit one of those old polyester models where the threads give off a sheen? :-) Good for Colin for sticking to his guns for the original ending. But I am curious as to what she had in mind when she was considering a re-write. Interesting that David Blair doesn't fly. I guess he must have traveled by land to Poland when he filmed AK. And very interesting about the possible theatrical release. Another question: Since the film and Colin looked great on the big screen, is there hope for Lucy? :-) Very good news. I can't wait to hear the feedback after the second viewing.

Great to read such a positive report, Karen! Supersleuthing indeed...straight from the horse's mouth. Very glad that it looked so good on the Big Screen...I'll bet those Van Morrison tracked sequences looked/sounded great! Very interesting stuff from DF, especially in view of the misinformation (or should I say "lies"!) that has/have been streaming from the BBC. How was the film received in the UK? Funnily enough, the film has never been shown in the UK. They (BBC) is afraid no one in America will like it. [audience catcalls at this point] They are waiting for people in America to tell them it is good enough. Wot! What are the BBC doing/not doing? Why does DQ need to have a good critical reception first in the US? It helps tremendously, of course, and guarantees commercial success, but a lot of movies are released here first, and then get picked up in the US. DQ had a good reception at the Cork Film Festival. The BBC could have arranged for it to be could have been shown at the London and Edinburgh FF this year or the Raindance Festival for movies from first-time directors, currently on in London. We have good news and bad news: First the bad news, you aren't going to see it on TV if Donna & Co. have their way. They want a theatrical release and they've been the ones who have kept it off television. Now the good news. It will be screened at this year's Birmingham Festival (November 15-26) and at the Cairo Intl Film Festival. It's very unusual for BBC Films to go straight to TV screen (especially with someone of the calibre of CF in the lead). The BBC should have been backing DF and David Blair to the hilt (they've won a Best Drama BAFTA) and actively marketing DQ from day one. It's great that it's showing at festivals now, after a year of inaction, but Birmingam is not the premier UK festival, and certainly not a major marketing forum. BTW all my criticism BTW is aimed squarely at inept BBC management, who seem to have given DQ the cold shoulder (whilst elevating "Billy Elliot" to Oscar winning levels and securing a nationwide release in 350 plus multiplexes) Donna Franceschild sounds marvellous (and she's a very gifted writer). I hope she has every success!! Thanks again Karen and Evelyn...don't know what we'd do without you! Brava. I am in the "Colin will star as LB in Armadillo" camp and shall not waver�. Agreed, absolutely. I realise that "star" is now used to mean "appear in a role in" (as in "Colin Firth stars in "Blackadder"!)

Just a final, final dig at the BBC. (As a much disgruntled licence payer!) Karen, I think you said that two other BBC Films are showing - "Saltwater" and "Greenfinger". "Saltwater" (set in a fish and chip shop in Ireland) is a Gala film at the London Film Festival, opening in thw West End. And I've read that "Greenfinger" is being very actively marketed in the US/North America, through major festivals, like Toronto. So, the BBC can pull their finger out...when it suits!

Karen and Evelyn, many thanks for your report. Happy news indeed! With his name attached, everyone signed on. I'm glad his name still commands some respect ;-) (Donna)...what was your interpretation of metallic?(...)I am curious as to what she had in mind when she was considering a re-write. I have the same questions. I wonder what kind of look he gave her with that "don't you dare" :-)

(Bethan), Why does DQ need to have a good critical reception first in the US? It helps tremendously, of course, and guarantees commercial success, but a lot of movies are released here first, and then get picked up in the US. DQ had a good reception at the Cork Film Festival. The BBC could have arranged for it to be could have been shown at the London and Edinburgh FF this year or the Raindance Festival for movies from first-time directors, currently on in London. I agree with all your points, Bethan! This is some stupid game they are playing at. Since when does a very Scottish BBC funded production have to do well in the US before it gets shown at home? And what about Oz, what happened there? Birmingam is not the premier UK festival, and certainly not a major marketing forum. Neither Birminham or Cairo are. It looks pretty desperate. (Donna), what was your interpretation of metallic? Did she mean cold, aloof? Or was his suit one of those old polyester models where the threads give off a sheen? :-) LOL! The original DQ did wear a shinny armour. ;-) Thanks, Karen and Evelyn! It is good to finally have some questions answered.

Super report, Karen and Evelyn. Sounds like you had a ball. So glad it looks good on the big screen, and that the audience reception was positive. Good for Donna F. for wanting to hold out for a theatrical distribution, but it sounds as though she and Blair are on their own and not getting much support at all. Without financial and marketing backing, it is very hard to get enough exposure for a film to attract the attention of distributors. I wonder if she has tried the small indie distributors, like Artisan and Lion's Gate. Karen, I'd be interested in hearing whether or not she has had any "exhibitors only" screenings, as the Binders are doing in London. She also might want to consider having Clive re-record some of his dialogue; this is done all the time, when the original line readings are not what they wanted, but again, I guess it all comes down to money and resources. (Bethan) but a lot of movies are released here first, and then get picked up in the US. Absolutely. There is no reason they (BBC) could not have been going for a theatrical distribution in the UK, independent of what happens here. Sounds to me like they would have been content to just show it on TV.

(Donna) By the way, what was your interpretation of metallic? Hard as steel would be my interpretation, based on the dialogue ("we'll pry their fingers off..." Of course, the suit did give off a sheen... kidding. He's wearing a lovely navy raincoat. (Donna) Since the film and Colin looked great on the big screen, is there hope for Lucy? :-) The question of the hour! I can't put my finger on it, but there was this interesting noise from the audience (cross between groaning and laughter ) when Lucy moved in for the first kiss and D pulled away. Need to assess better at second showing. (Bethan) Why does DQ need to have a good critical reception first in the US? It helps tremendously...but a lot of movies are released here first, and then get picked up in the US. Yes, they are released first by you and consigned to the dustbin. So few make it that way that haven't gone on the FF circuit and been picked up either by an established distributer or a smallish one. We're going to ask (privately) why it wasn't at Edinburgh or London and why there was so much time between fests. Cork was a year ago. (Bethan) It's great that it's showing at festivals now, after a year of inaction Many small films sit around looking for distributors. They are not like big studio films that are pushed quickly onto the screen. (Bethan) whilst elevating "Billy Elliot" to Oscar winning levels and securing a nationwide release Billy Elliot always had major studio backing via Working Title/Universal/Studio Canal. I doubt BBC Films had anything to do with promoting/marketing that film, when you have the aforementioned heavyweights. (Bethan) I've read that "Greenfinger" is being very actively marketed in the US/North America, through major festivals, like Toronto First, it stars Clive Owen, who is very hot. But wait until the reviews come in. It's very mundane. They are marketing it to us because it is feel-good entertainment and they can make a buck. That's all. More info: Can't wait to get back to the second screening. You can actually read George Mackie's monitor of DQ's personnel record. Has a middle name (Martin). On the right, it had his medical diagnosis (hypomania...). Partially caught his title, but will focus on that today. More later

Thanks Karen and Evelyn. With his name attached, everyone signed on. Sigh, so respected within his profession. They (BBC) is afraid no one in America will like it. [audience catcalls at this point] Good for the audience. Your bad news is not so bad, certainly not worse than what has already been discussed. Also sounds like Colin signed onto this film not knowing whether it would be TV or film but liked the project - more important to him than what the final outlet would be. (Donna) Did she mean cold, aloof? Or was his suit one of those old polyester models where the threads give off a sheen? :-) LOL, Donna. Ooh, that boy is such a chameleon. (Gi) I wonder what kind of look he gave her with that "don't you dare" :-) That was his Darcy look as he's forcing his way into Mrs. Younge's establishment. ;-) Great report. I would be curious too as to how it got shown in the first place in Australia. Or are you not keen for Donna to know you've seen it already. What is "hypomania"?

Sorry, fixed tags.

(Heide) Also sounds like Colin signed onto this film not knowing whether it would be TV or film but liked the project - more important to him than what the final outlet would be. Possibly, however, Donna F said they always intended it for the big screen. We did mention having already seen it from Australia. Her agent was with her and he wanted to know how we had seen it. Will corner him today some more.

Thanks Karen and Evelyn for the great report. It seems a shame that the only way to get straight answers about CF's films is face to face with those directly involved. (Heide)What is "hypomania"? I wondered, too, and looked it up. hy�po�ma�nia : a mild mania especially when part of a manic-depressive cycle

Yup, found it listed as part of a bipolar disorder, as KJ had diagnosed before. Here's some info: Hypomania is a mood state which like mania is characterized by persistent and pervasive elated or irritable mood, and behaviors and thoughts that are consistent with such a mood state. It is distinguished from mania by the absence of psychotic symptoms and less impact of functioning. Hypomanic Episodes occur in some Mood Disorders. When an individual experiences a discrete episode of persistent and pervasive emotional hypomania, this term may be applied. Criteria for Hypomanic Episode A. A distinct period of persistently elevated, expansive, or irritable mood, lasting throughout at least 4 days, that is clearly different from the usual nondepressed mood. B. During the period of mood disturbance, three (or more) of the following symptoms have persisted (four if the mood is only irritable) and have been present to a significant degree: (1) inflated self-esteem or grandiosity (2) decreased need for sleep (e.g., feels rested after only 3 hours of sleep) (3) more talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking (4) flight of ideas or subjective experience that thoughts are racing (5) distractibility (i.e., attention too easily drawn to unimportant or irrelevant external stimuli) (6) increase in goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually) or psychomotor agitation (7) excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences (e.g., the person engages in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, or foolish business investments) C. The episode is associated with an unequivocal change in functioning that is uncharacteristic of the person when not symptomatic. D. The disturbance in mood and the change in functioning are observable by others. E. The episode is not severe enough to cause marked impairment in social or occupational functioning, or to necessitate hospitalization, and there are no psychotic features. F. The symptoms are not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication, or other treatment) or a general medical condition (e.g., hyperthyroidism).

Birmingam is not the premier UK festival, and certainly not a major marketing forum. Neither Birminham or Cairo are. It looks pretty desperate. I'm not even sure if Birmingham has had a FF before. But this year a massive 20 screen state of the art complex opened there...George Clooney came over for the opening night. It's the biggest and best movie theatre complex in the UK, and so I guess they will want to promote it. Excellent venue (better than the Ritzy! :-)) Her agent was with her and he wanted to know how we had seen it. Will corner him today some more. Donna's agent is called Alan Brodie. He has a website at http://www.alanbrodie.com He represents a lot of bright new writing talent, plus the estates of Noel Coward and Graham Greene. I took "metallic" to mean lustrous, starry, a winner, and thought that DF wanted to change the ending so that DQ comes out victorious. Which is why CF said "don't you dare". Possible?

Re that question how we got see it in Australia - its a mystery! One explanation could be the new Director of the Australian Broadcasting Commission was Director of BBC (Scotland) and he was frustrated with the Powers that be in the BBC and pinched a copy of DQ and showed it here in Oz. Or he could just have done it so Colin's fans throughout the world would at least have the pleasure of seeing it first (bg)!

that question how we got see it in Australia - its a mystery! Not really and nothing clandestine here either. Sorry. Asked Donna F that today before the show and she said Pandora sold the rights early on to Australia and they had the right to broadcast it. Donna F wasn't even aware that it had been broadcast until after the fact. More later

(Anne) Re that question how we got see it in Australia - its a mystery! LOL, I got the impression that she was asking, "How did you in America get to see this film, which was only aired in Australia?" Tee hee, we have our ways :-)

Thanks for that info. just a bit of fun on my part. Glad you enjoyed DQ. would love to have seen it on big screen. Maybe but I doubt it. I don't think we will have the pleasure of seeing C.F. until Bridget Jones much to my sorry.

Am pulling out my notes from this afternoon's matinee: Another good sized crowd, probably slightly larger than Saturday night. Maybe over a hundred. Excellent audience reception for DQ. This audience took the film more seriously, i.e., not another Waking Ned Devine-ish experience. Robust applause during end credits. Donna F intro'd the film pretty much the same way before and then took Q&A. 1) Man asked for clarification about who/what was going on with the computer terminal that showed Daniel Quinn. Thought it was Clive and why was DQ there. Explained he did work for company. [I mentioned yesterday that you could read DQ's personnel record if had a photographic memory. So the three of us split the assignment to look for different details. Daniel was "Executive Director, Home Counties Division," and for education it said he attended Highgate and St Andrews University. Fictious??] 2) More clarification requested on end scene at train station. Did he pretend not to remember her? DF and others in the audience said DQ was going back to his previous life and was "cured." DF mentioned again (and I might have botched this last night) that an important question she was attempting to portray in this film was: "Was DQ mad when he was destroying other people's lives or when he was healing them?" 3) Woman really praised the film (best film seen etc and more applause from audience) and then asked if DF had CF's phone number. Everyone laughed. DF talked about what a great guy he was and that during the filming she was doing an interview. So she told the interviewer that she had just left CF in bed in his trailer. Then she said as an aside: "in my dreams." 4) How did you become involved with David Blair? yadda yadda 5) There a lot of dark scenes. Why? Was that intentional. DF said that wasn't exactly her department, but the production designer wanted to achieve the look of an Edward Hopper painting! 6) Someone said they loved what she did with Sandy. Did she do a lot of research on the subject. DF talked about David Brown being learning impaired and from an acting family. Brown was appearing in a theater troupe and really wanted to do this. Blair made the decision to really use such an actor and everyone enjoyed working with him, especially Colin. They were v. sensitive to the scene where Brown is called a moron and asked how he felt about it. He was ecstatic that he would get to yell the same at someone else. 7) Cost of $1.8 million. No one did it for their usual fee. All took paycuts. The score was done by the same woman who did The Full Monty, but not at her usual fee. 8) Another asked how they got to use the actual buses and trains. DF said the buses were easy, as they were supplied by a small, independent company that enjoyed being part of a show that stuck it to you-know-who. The train scenes were more difficult because they usually cost so much more. However, through contacts it was done at a lower cost. 9) A question about distribution. Again, said none. She talked about how she wished potential distributors would see it with audiences like us, because of the fantastic reception it has had. Evidently, distributors don't seem to think people will like it. Amazing, what poor taste these people have. 10) Someone commented on the actress who played Gran and how good she was. DF said she is an institution in British film and when they explained she would have to play the role mainly in her underwear, she responded, "I wouldn't have it any other way." Then, they said she would be playing someone with a form of dementia, and she responded, "oh, then I won't have to do any acting." DF said this all in very proper, uppper crusty accent. Not as we hear Gran's speech. Can't believe that DQ is gone. *sob sob* I want my own big screen print. *pouting* On the way out, a woman came up to DF and identified herself as with Variety. The agent was summoned and they talked. Maybe this will lead to something. All for now.

Thanks, Karen for the great report. V. exciting indeed! I'll keep my fingers crossed that the DQ team is able to get a distributor out of this. Loved the story about Gran, BTW :-).

Thanks very much, Karen, wonderful report as other's have said, felt as if I waw there. Am trying to think of a question but you seem to have covered everything. Am trying to visualise that closing shot of Colin on the big screen, WOW!

Terrific report, Karen. Will say more later.. But, A question about distribution. Again, said none. She talked about how she wished potential distributors would see it with audiences like us, because of the fantastic reception it has had. Evidently, distributors don't seem to think people will like it. Absolutely incredible. So we *like* the dross that's regularly seved up to us, do we? We should be very grateful that actors like CF take paycuts for good projects, when he could opt to make millions out of rubbish.. I hope CF knows he's appreciated in this country!!!

(Ann W)Thanks very much, Karen, wonderful report as other's have said, felt as if I waw there. I couldn't have put it better :-)

Me either. Great reporting, thank you ladies. Have been in touch with Birmingham and their programme will not be ready for possibly two weeks.

DF said that wasn't exactly her department, but the production designer wanted to achieve the look of an Edward Hopper painting! And it did! I too have a hard time believing that they can not get distribution. Thanks for the report, Karen!

(Bethan) Thanks again Karen and Evelyn...don't know what we'd do without you! Absolutely, whole-heartedly agree. XXOO, ladies. Your efforts always make Drool worth visiting, even during those inevitable newsless spells and quibbles about donations. ;-) Karen, still can't believe DQ showed up on your doorstep. It's seredipity, baby. Evelyn, glad you could hit the friendly skies again to be there with Karen. With his name attached, everyone signed on. (Gi) I'm glad his name still commands some respect ;-) Yeessssss! (Donna)...what was your interpretation of metallic?(...)I am curious as to what she had in mind when she was considering a re-write. (Gi) I have the same questions. So do I. Interesting. I wonder what kind of look he gave her with that "don't you dare" :-) *hee hee* Me too! [re: hypomania] E. The episode is not severe enough to cause marked impairment in social or occupational functioning, or to necessitate hospitalization, and there are no psychotic features. Which of course damages the entire storyline, but I won't quibble about such details. ;-) (DF via Karen) "Was DQ mad when he was destroying other people's lives or when he was healing them?" Hmm, am trying to remember our discussion. Wasn't this brought up? Woman really praised the film (best film seen etc and more applause from audience) and then asked if DF had CF's phone number. Everyone laughed. DF talked about what a great guy he was and that during the filming she was doing an interview. So she told the interviewer that she had just left CF in bed in his trailer. Then she said as an aside: "in my dreams." *snort* Hope you gave DF and this woman Drool's URL. They belong here. (Bethan) Absolutely incredible. So we *like* the dross that's regularly seved up to us, do we? We should be very grateful that actors like CF take paycuts for good projects, when he could opt to make millions out of rubbish.. Am grateful all the time, even during said long, dry, newsless spells. Whenever I get impatient for news of Colin's next project, I think of Ralph in The Avengers and I'm cured. ;-)

Wonderful anecdotes, Karen, and I'm delighted that the audience reception was so positive. Too bad Donna didn't pass out comment cards to take to those distributors who think we're all cretins. Or is that not done at a film fest? Anyway, Donna sounds like a real peach, and the nice reports on CF are no surprise but still nice to read. (Eileen) I think of Ralph in The Avengers and I'm cured. ;-) Yeah, but then I think of Schindler's, Quiz Show, TEP, End Of The Affair, Sunshine, Richard/Coriolanus . . .and I feel ill. With that body of work, Ralph can afford the rare miscue. And no hiding for this guy when things don't go his way--he gets right back on the horse. Does lots of big budget stuff and they're almost always good. High profile doesn't have to equate with junk. And the corollary is that there's nothing noble about doing a SLOW. Sorry, must be cranky 'cause I couldn't see DQ on the big screen.;)

(Mari) Sorry, must be cranky 'cause I couldn't see DQ on the big screen.;) Knew there had to be a reason. Hey, I'm not dismissing all of Ralph's work but rubbish is still rubbish. And I didn't like SLOW either but at least the premise was good and there were no giant bears ;-P

RE Birmingham It's the International Festival of Film and Television. The new Warner cinema complex has 30 screens (not 20 as I said) and parking for 3000 cars. Easily the biggest and newest theatre complex in the UK and state of the art as well. Should be high profile. But Cairo?

Wow Karen, that's some great reporting you have been doing over the past couple of days. I hope your DQ/CF withdrawl symptoms aren't too severe. Let us know if there is anything we can do, to help you thru the horrors of cold turkey. O Goody......a Ralph F. catfight.....'scuse me while I go off to sharpen my claws !

(Eileen) at least the premise was good and there were no giant bears ;-P Hey . . is that any way to talk about Uma Thurman?;-) Nah, no catfights here, Bethanne. Eileen knows I'm just blowin' off steam over the frustration that some of us sometimes feel. We agree about, oh, 98% of the time. 100% would be too scary--like we were in some kind of weird parallel universe thingie.:-) Hmmm . . .can you log in as two different people here and have a debate with yourself? Just askin' . . .;-) Back to DQ--several questions. Karen or Evelyn, about how old is Donna F.? Did she say what brought her to Scotland? Have vague but probably incorrect memory that she is married to a guy there . . . Also, what was audience composition, e.g., male/female; age groups. Was there any mention that the filmmakers are in competition at the Fest--and who is entered, Donna, or David, or both? When are the winners announced?

Mari's Q: about how old is Donna F.? She tossed out both 20 and 25 years for how long she's been writing, so that would put her in her mid-40s is my guess. Did she say what brought her to Scotland? Not really. She told me that she was born in Evanston, but left at age 2 and grew up in California. I didn't ask where. To the audience, she said she "emigrated" to England and went to work for the BBC. Will need some help from Evelyn on this, but she did say something else that I can't recall. Something about finding the atmosphere.... argh... Yes, I remember hearing that she was married to someone associated with the psychiatric field. Also, what was audience composition, e.g., male/female; age groups Oh gosh! I knew I should've have done some demographic sampling!! I'd say the audience was a pretty good cross-section, possibly more women. More date-like on Saturday night than Sunday afternoon. Was there any mention that the filmmakers are in competition at the Fest Yes, a filmed segment that announces the film being in competition precedes each and explains what the FIPRECI (sp??) is. who is entered, Donna, or David, or both? The film and David because it is his first feature film. When are the winners announced? Tonight is awards night. Actually, that's kind of good, as DQ might be fresh in their minds. ;-D

Naw Mari..... I know we'd never get into a real Ralph F. catfight here. For one thing we're much too ladylike, and for another, we save our energies here, for discussing an actor( and his wet white shirt ) that is actually WORTH talking about. Now if you want to talk about fighting over HIM, I'm totally game there. I'm not just sharpening my claws on that one, I'm reaching for my shotgun. God, I scare myself sometimes !!

Thanks again for the absolutely wonderful reports, Karen....it all sounds like a highly positive experience, and Donna Franceschild sounds great...love her comments about CF! Now, I must have my say! Bear with me, whilst I go on about distribution in the UK for the umpteeth time! DQ has failed to find a distributor in the UK. But there's distribution, as in 300 screens in the multiplexes, and distribution, as in opens in one theatre in London, and trickles through to one or two regional independents, then comes out in video. The second approach meams that the film is not a success commercially, but may get some critical attention/acclaim. For DQ not to get even the bottom line deal is nothing short of incredible, especially if it was always intended for the theatre, not TV screen. It has all the right ingredients for the moment...regional, dysfunctional, dark but some feelgood factor, underdoggish...not a posh frock in sight. When it was made, David Blair had just won BAFTAs for Best TV Dramas, for two successive years. And yet mediocre, even bad movies attract more interest than DQ? The London Film Festival has a category "New British Films"( there are 12 showing this year), Edinburgh actively promotes Scottish films (David Blair is Scottish)....but no slots for DQ apparently. It just doesn't make sense to me. And the BBC makes it worse by not conveying the truth. Why don't they actually respond that DQ has failed to find a distributor...and maybe suggest that we write to organisers of film festivals in the UK asking for a screening? It's not even possible to support DQ because we're not given correct information! Finally, I'm really happy to hear that it looked/sounded good on the Big Screen. Some films need the bigger screen to make a proper impact...they seem to open up more, become more defined. I just hope that something positive happens in the US..a good review in Variety, perhaps? Daniel was "Executive Director, Home Counties Division," and for education it said he attended Highgate and St Andrews University. Fictious?? The BiG Screen must be very clear!....yes, these are "real". Highgate is a well known public (ie private) school in London, and St Andrews is a Scottish university, now very fashionable because Prince William is going there to study.

The Sunday Times News Review published a short story by Robert Harris...it's called "The Lost Leader" (or PMQ) and is from the "Speaking with the Angel" anthology. It's in the first person, about a Prime Minister who announces in Parliament that he's quitting. Copies can be ordered from the Sunday Times Bookshop on o870 165 8535 for �6.99 (instead of �7.99) Supports the TreeHouse Trust. Publised 2 November

DF made it pretty clear that BBC did nothing for the film. I specifically asked about Edinburgh and she said DQ was not submitted. About London, she said they look for genre films. Surely, DQ fits into some genre. Yes, the big screen version was very clear (to read the computer monitor) but it was only up there for a nanosecond.

DQ would have fitted into "New British Films", surely? The BBC should have promoted this, if only to fulfil their statutory obligation as a publicly funded body to support minority groups, which includes learning disabled. You very rareyt see someone who is learning disabled given an opportunity to perform a lead role, and David Brown was brilliant. And what was that award Colin got? The most popular actor in the history of the BBC? Must be deadfully disappointing for all of them , especially given that they worked for less than the going rate. As to the distributors (who are theses people?) saying that there wouldn't be anyone who would like DQ. It had excellent reviews from Cork and Australia, and ovviously an enthusiastic reception in Chicago. Who is "anyone"?

Typed in haste, sorry for the typos!

Thanks, Bethan! I wonder what the Tree House Fund is? I think DF has not be doing all that she can for DQ. The London and Edinburgh FF should have been set a long time ago. She probably feels guilty because the actors all took pay cuts, etc. and now she wants the Americans to rescue it. Half of them will not understand it. This is not a realistic goal for DQ. What was she doing before this? Probably working on another project.

When is the next CF movie coming out and what is it called?

Hi Luann and welcome. The answer to your question about CF's next movie depends on where you are and what you've already seen. The next one most of us expect to see on the big screen is Bridget Jones' Diary in the spring of 2001, although Relative Values will be shown on US television for the first time next week, and Donovan Quick is on the film festival circuit and there's Londinium. There's a recap of the status of all of CF's projects (in production, in release, other) at The Bucket. http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/main.html

Here are the awards that were announced last night: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cdh/20001017/lo/film_festival_hands_honor_to_violence-packed_thriller_1.html

Just a short note to say a big THANK YOU for all those wonderful reviews of both DQ and Londinium. I was not all that keen on DQ when I saw the video but reading the comments has made me long to see it on the big screen which sounds as if it does much more justice to the production. I rather feel this is not to be over here unfortunately. With regard to Londinium I am hoping to get to see it on the 24th but am still waiting to hear back from Sunlight - keeping my fingers crossed! What a Colin filled time we are having - about time too - and culminating in the reading at the Italian Institute!! Just need him to announce that he is doing another theatre project (Well, we can but hope)

Jennie, Donovan Quick is showing on the big screen at the Birmingham Film Festival in November. Their programme should be ready in about two week's time (thanks to Aishling).

WELCOME LUANN Got home last night ..had a great time, Chicago is a beautiful city and The Boss "The Host with the Most" ( 'cept she wouldn't let me wear my CF Tee shirt to the screening ) Have been reading Karen's report on DQ. Of course, I loved it on the small screen, so you can imagine my response on the Big Screen at an Odeon with great stereo.!!!...yes Bethan ,Van Morrison's soundtrack was so great we went home and put on his CD's. (Bethan)Donna Franceschild sounds great...love her comments about CF! I sat there and glowed...what a contrast to last year's SLOW screening with Missan belly-aching about lack of money....and how Jeremy Irons (barf!) was her first choice for the lead! DF was resourceful and was able to get buses and trains at a fraction of the cost.She and David Blair were soooo elated when Colin signed on. He had been the first on their "dream cast".She kept remarking how the whole cast bonded and on the last half-day shoot they pooled their resources to come out on budget. (Moon)I think DF has not be doing all that she can for DQ. The London and Edinburgh FF should have been set a long time ago. She probably feels guilty because the actors all took pay cuts, etc. and now she wants the Americans to rescue it. Half of them will not understand it. This is not a realistic goal for DQ. What was she doing before this? Probably working on another project I asked her about the London FF ...and she remarked that BBCFilms has been just sitting on this and since Making Waves is David Blair's and her company they decided to market it themselves. I must agree that this is not realistic too, Moon. These people are not necessarily marketing folks.IMO it takes more than enthusisam and glib talk to market a film ("experience and bullocks").And why Cairo? ave your time and money. Agree with Mari that Clive's dialogue should be re-recorded. Sadly, the big screen and stereo did not help me understand Clive's dialogue. Even some sub-titles would help the American market. I was not as impressed as Karen with DF and her agent's business acumen. DQ needs a more impressive machine(read: money and marketing) behind it to get a distrib. I hope I am proven wrong.

Hi Luann and Jennie! Welcome back Evelyn! These people are not necessarily marketing folks.IMO it takes more than enthusisam and glib talk to market a film BBC Film have a Marketing and Sales Department, in which people are paid handsome salaries to promote, talk up, and sell BBC Films. They have the contacts and the expertise, and the track record. DF and DB provided the creative energy, and delivered an on budget product. Marketing should have then taken over. If I have to comment further on the BBC, I shall have to resort to *******!!! DQ would never have been a huge comercial success, but it deserves a very limited release in the UK at least. Clive's dialogue is tricky...I see nothing wrong with the use of subtitles for heavy accents. Good idea!

(Evelyn) I was not as impressed as Karen with DF and her agent's business acumen. I wasn't impressed with it, but rather that she was not unlike most of the young filmmakers who accompany their films to these fests. They are not seasoned pros with huge studio backing. I've heard so many of the film-on-a-shoestring stories. Hey, last year, when I saw Tumbleweeds, the nobody director had Janet McTeer with him, primarily because she put in her own money to make the film. Just saw a Czech director attempting to do Q&A, with an audience member doing the translation. ;-D

...and BBC has not spearheaded any extremely successful marketing campaigns lately to my knowledge. ;-D

Anybody heard anything re Londinium UK screening situation? Have looked at email but nothing to report! Just literally) got back from Birthday Drinkies (hint) in ol' London Town with chaps from work and a 'bit-part' interloper! Argor sworeal brilleve - but am suffering big time from surfeit of Bacardi Breezers - oof fallen over!

Still not heard back regarding the London screening of Londinium also with regard to DQ I rather think the Birmingham Film Festivel is when I am on holiday! Sub titles would be a good idea for Clive. I know, even though I am British, I have an awful time trying to puzzle out what he is saying and then, finding out not really worth the effort as far as he is concerned!

(Jennie)I have an awful time trying to puzzle out what he is saying and then, finding out not really worth the effort as far as he is concerned! But when I finally decipher what he's saying, it's funny (in a 'noir' sorta' way). So that actually, I think we do miss some good lines . The script is brilliant...every word counts...like a play.

I'm disappointed (but not altogether surprised) to hear that no one has heard back from Sunlight concerning the London screenings for Londinium. They did indicate to me that they would get back to you (though the people in NY and LA didn't get a confirmation either--but those were such short notice). As they said, London was designed to be a distributors-only screening with limited space; I guess it's possible that they are waiting to see how many RSVPs they get from potential buyers. If you think it would help, I can call again. Of course, anyone is free to call (please don't think I'm trying to run things--I won't even be there--sob!) I had called previously figuring it was cheaper and more convenient time-zone wise from this end.

Arggh! Just saw the trailer for RV on Starz!, and once again, ODB is not mentioned as one of the actors starring in the film! He looked very dishy in his tux, however, so that calmed me down a bit. BTW, my cable co. threw in the 4 HBO channels for an extra dollar over the monthly price for Starz! I now have six channels dedicated solely to movies (Eight if I include AMC & TMC), and there is rarely anything on that is worth watching. Never knew there were so many unwatchable (made up word?) films. (Am beginning to think am turning into curmudgeon in manner of Andy Rooney.)

(Mari) please don't think I'm trying to run things-- Not at all. I for one am grateful for your information. At least we are aware of what is happening. Thank you.

I second what Aishling had said Mari, we are very grateful for all you can find out.

(Lisa), I now have six channels dedicated solely to movies (Eight if I include AMC & TMC), and there is rarely anything on that is worth watching. Never knew there were so many unwatchable (made up word?) films. I agree! Only the classics on AMC and TCM are worth watching. There are many watchable films out there but those big movie channels never pick them up because they are not moronic enough for their audiences, most of whom are allergic to subtitles.

(Lisa), I now have six channels dedicated solely to movies(...) and there is rarely anything on that is worth watching. (Moon)I agree! So do I... My cable company is forever trying to sell me two movie channels but only once in a while is there something I want to watch and can't get from Blockbusters :-(

Avert your eyes: Fundraising Notice Ahead We've done very well, ladies, so a big Thank You for being so generous. As a housekeeping detail, I have personally contacted every person who made a donation. If you haven't gotten a thank you from me, then I haven't received it. Please let me know.

Yes Mari, a big thank you for all your efforts in keeping us advised - much appreciated. Would you suggest we just turn up and hope!!!!

I think it would be a good idea to just show up. It might just be enough to have sent your name and screening date. They may be too busy to get back to everyone. If they ask, just say you have RSVPd to Jack Binder via e-mail at Sunlight Prod.

Thank you, Karen! I am very happy the fundraiser went well.

Jack was out of the office but I did leave a detailed message for him on his voicemail. As soon as he gets back to me, I will let you know. If he doesn't return the call. . .I agree with Jennie and Moon--just show up.

If he doesn't return the call Did you have a lovers' spat? ;-D For those close to London, I'd say just show up, but if I were coming in specially from far away...I don't know. Conversely, they might feel sorrier for you. One thing, who are these distributors in England? Didn't think there were but a handful of them?

(Karen) Did you have a lovers' spat? ;-D Yes--and he's threatening to put me in their next film.;-) Entitled "The Hex Monster," it will shoot right here in Pennsylvania Dutch country. Have been working with Cornel to pump up for those rigorous butter-churning scenes.;-) You asked about the distributors--he had told me that potential buyes were coming from all over, including the States.

(Mari)"The Hex Monster," ha ha ha PA Dutch V. funny.

(Mari) he had told me that potential buyes were coming from all over, including the States. Ah, yes, they'll be there for the London Screenings, which run from the 23rd-27th. Have found the listing. Relative Values is there too. Still pushing it.

Have been working with Cornel to pump up for those rigorous butter-churning scenes LOL, Mari! It is very good timing to set the screenings with the LFF. A questions does come to mind: Was it submitted to the LFF and rejected? This would be a way to get even if they do end up with a UK/US distributor. It makes perfect sense for Londinium to have been submitted. The sad truth would be that it was not accepted there or at the Toronto FF. They will be trying to sell it on the strength of Colin and Irene Jacobs. Let's see what happens.

(Karen)they'll be there for the London Screenings, which run from the 23rd-27th. Have found the listing. Relative Values is there too. (Moon)It is very good timing to set the screenings with the LFF. And that's where DQ(the best one of the bunch!) should be instead of traipsing around Egypt!

The Wall Street Journal's review of RV (thanks to Anne R.) At least they liked Colin . . . Relative Values 8-9:30 p.m. EDT on Starz! The 1950s (1954 to be precise) are also the setting for this film adaptation of Noel Coward's 1951 comedy, filmed on the Isle of Man and starring Dame Julie Andrews, Jeanne Tripplehorn, William Baldwin, Sophie Thompson, Stephen Fry, Colin Firth and Edward Atterton. Faced with a less-than-witty screenplay directed by the apparently clueless Eric Styles, the Anglo-American cast barely muddles through. Ms. Andrews plays it straight -- and bland as nursery custard -- as the Countess of Marshwood. Ms. Tripplehorn hams it up as Miranda Frayle, the Hollywood star out to snag the countess's son (a stiff Edward Atterton). William Baldwin is seriously miscast as Miranda's former onscreen -- and offscreen -- lover; have the filmmakers forgotten that romantic leads had handsome faces then? And Stephen Fry merely dusts off his trademark downstairs hauteur as the Jeeves-like butler (but retreaded wit is better than none). Only Mr. Fry, Ms. Thompson as the countess's maid (and Miranda's long-estranged older sister), and Mr. Firth as the deliciously arch Noel-substitute brave this Cowardly disaster with good humor.

Ouch! Faced with a less-than-witty screenplay directed by the apparently clueless Eric Styles, the Anglo-American cast barely muddles through. The reviews consensus seem to indict Eric Styles.The slob.

(NYT) William Baldwin is seriously miscast as Miranda's former onscreen -- and offscreen -- lover; have the filmmakers forgotten that romantic leads had handsome faces then? LOL! Ya mean, they don't see the resemblance to Clark Gable? ;-) Bruisingly bad review, although I do like how they singled out Colin's performance. Looks like a FF-type tape. ;-D Thanks Anne and Mari.

Yes, thanks for the review. It seems consistent with many of those from the UK. At least CF landed on the good side of this reviewer. Re: The Hex Monster: *pfffftttt!* Too funny, Mari (or shall I call you Hester?). Tell us what it's like to work with Mariel ;-P

Wow, I'm glad the Anerican reviwers liked Colin. I seem to rememeber a couple of rather snide UK reviews earlier in the year, that refered to him as "miscast". I know it's an artistic stretch for such a virile, masculine man to play a rather campy, gay character, but ANY criticism of CF's flawless acting ticks me off. I'd be interested to read any more RV review you can find. Thanx for sleuthing them out.

There's a site for the Birmingham Film Festival at http://www.film-tv-festival.org.uk I glanced at the programmes for both the Edinburgh and London FF. To be honest, I don't see how either Londinium or DQ could have fitted into either. There would have only been one appropriate category in each - new British films - and as far as I can make out, in Edinburgh certainy, all the movies already had distributors and had just been, or were about to be, released. I suspect it's the same for the London IFF, and it's just a showcase for films about to go on release. I read an article recently about film distribution in the UK...the UK is rated as the most expensive country for distribution, and independents really, really struggle. The bottom line is not quality , but will it make money....which really means does it have lad/yoof appeal. Londinium might strike lucky. Irene Jacob is in the news at the moment.... starring opposite Macauley "Home Alone" Culkin on the West End stage at the moment. Lots of publicity for MC, who apparently will earn "only" �130,000 for a 20 week stint (How about �2000 for 10 weeks at the Donmar, and about �10,000 (the going rate, top whack, for BBC Scotland drama) for DQ...that's what I call "only"!!) RV is horses for courses - will not be to every one's taste. Would like to see CF working with non-"first-time directors" though!(And moving up from small British independents) That's my main worry about BJD...what exactly has Sharon Maguire done? Although she's backed by highly experienced producers who surely wouldn't have chosen her as HF's buddy! The Robert Harris tale for "Speaking with the Angel" was ingenious...probably more geared to being read out loud. Roddy Doyle's tale is about a man who shareas a room with a small furry animal. The tone/topics must vary. I would think that Nick Hornby might be promoting the book in the papers this/next weekend, and perhps talking about Treehouse and autism. His son goes to the TreeHouse school...it makes tremendous progress with severely autistic kids. Mention in the press of the rally/march in support of asylum seekers on Saturday Nov 4. Wonder if CF will be a visible presence. If he is, then I think he's got guts. This cause, sadly, is not a popular cause, not even in middle England, and there's a very hostile backlash. interesting interview with John McCarthy ("Hostages") who has a new book coming out. Incredibly nice man.Lives in North London. Very reserved and private. Only likes to talk about issues. He now works for an organisation which supports Victims of Torture, and recently donated �100,000 (proceeds from doing a phone advert) to the charity. A very decent person.

(Bethan) Irene Jacob is in the news at the moment.... starring opposite Macauley "Home Alone" Culkin on the West End stage at the moment. Lots of publicity for MC, who apparently will earn "only" �130,000 for a 20 week stint Oh, tell me it's not true!! That means that little pipsqueak, oops sorry, MC will be get getting 6,500 pounds/week. I think our favs were only paid scale when they appeared at the Donmar. Bethan, is the scale rate 200 pounds/week at the Donmar? I had 250 pounds in my mind, but either way, it's in the same neighborhood - poverty. Moan, groan :-(

interesting interview with John McCarthy ("Hostages") We read and discussed it on #136.

More on MC... He apparently got very good reviews. FYI, here's a review that is not so good, but the reviewer loved Irene Jacob: In the Daily Express, Robert Gore-Langton writes that Culkin "looks - poor lad - like a bleached chimpanzee" and declares, "Culkin, in his sweet but stilted way, never really suggests any real loss of virginity in all its excitement and terror. It's frankly very hard to imagine him being tucked up with anything in bed except cocoa and a comic." Calling Richard Nelson's play "wafer-thin" and "curiously old-fashioned", he says it "comes over as something of a middle-aged seduction fantasy." He praises Culkin's co-star, Irene Jacob, however - "boy, is she beautiful," he writes, and continues, "We are talking real French coffee-sipping sex appeal here - not the hairsprayed glamour of the recent crop of American actresses in the West End. It's a tonic just watching her skip around the stage barefooted with that je ne sais quoi.." He concludes, "What the show lacks in dramatic punch it makes up for in sheer feminine radiance. That's a real compensation, if mostly for the chaps."

Thanks for the Birmingham Film Festival Link, Bethan, I have bookmarked it.

Disaster!!!! ....... My friend has just e mailed about the screening of Londinium next week and has received the reply back from Jack Binder - screenings cancelled please notify your friends. I hope this is not an omen of things to come.

Thanks Jennie, at least we now know for sure one way or the other. Perhaps they will re-schedule.

(Bethan), Would like to see CF working with non-"first-time directors" That would include Carlos Saura which would no doubt turn MoB into a real disaster. I have seen his latest Goya. It is a claustophobic, pretentious, agonizingly boring, film with no plot. I can see a pretentious film student if given a very large budget do something like this. I pray that Colin does not work with him. It bothered me to remain in my seat, DH kept wanting to leave, but I usually stick it out. A very painful choice. I am tired of his stage antics. Working with Saura would be a big mistake for Colin. "What the show lacks in dramatic punch it makes up for in sheer feminine radiance. That's a real compensation, if mostly for the chaps." LOL! I am glad the IJ is getting some attention, she deserves it. Surprised to hear that the L screenings were canceled. This could mean: 1) The screening were set up at a time that conflicted with some LFF film that everyone wants to see. 2) They were ignored by the distributors. 3) They already have the distributors and no longer need to screen it.

(Moon) That would include Carlos Saura which would no doubt turn MoB into a real disaster....Working with Saura would be a big mistake for Colin. That seals it. I don't like the book. You don't like the director. Therefore, Colin shouldn't do it. ;-D (Moon) Surprised to hear that the L screenings were canceled. Betcha anything, they weren't canceled. It's an easier excuse for Jack than explaining about lack of space, for distributors only, etc.

Oh, Jennie, that's so disapointing. My first reaction was the same as Karen's, that they aren't really canceled (great, suspicious minds think alike;-). On the other hand, that would be too easy of a lie to get caught in--anyone taking a stroll by the theater right before the screenings would be able to find out for sure. Well, at least you have the Sciascia reading to look forward to--Firth in the flesh can't be beat!:-)

Am disappointed for the Londinium in London girls also. Frustrating to get a tantalizing glimpse of it in LA and NY and then have it disappear ala MLSF. Will hope it will be rescheduled for you and open next year for the rest of us. Scathing WSJ review. All forgiven though since Colin was given a thumbs up. Didn't expect much anyway so will not be disappointed tomorrow night.

Well, at least you have the Sciascia reading to look forward to--Firth in the flesh can't be beat!:-) I think a reading by an actor is perhaps the most "up close and personal" experience you can get, barring a long conversation. I went to one last year (locally, someone not very famous!). The actor enters the room as himself, not in character, and if it's a small room, you're very close indeed. The actor just can't launch into the reading...there has to be some background explanation, eye contact with the audience. You literally stare and listen for an hour. Looking forward to the report back, Jennie! Do you think there'll be an audio recording available?

Do you think there'll be an audio recording available? One can even take a microphone in one's purse. Putting a hankie over the red light of course;-)

More on MC... He apparently got very good reviews. FYI, here's a review that is not so good, but the reviewer loved Irene Jacob: (Donna) All the reviewers love IJ. Example: "and my only complaint about Irene Jacob's Claudie is that she is too attractive for the part: in other respects she is perfect, at once touchingly vulnerable and fully in command." One reviwer writes about MC being "seduced by one of the most beautiful women in Europe". MC gets very good reviews as well..."Madame Melville" could be very hot at the Box Office, and then IJ/CF pairing in "Londinium" might seem like very good news to the distributors. If it's screened, of course. Cancelled or postponed? Or have the Binders got a distributor? Moon) That would include Carlos Saura which would no doubt turn MoB into a real disaster....Working with Saura would be a big mistake for Colin. (Moon) I take your point, Moon. But critics over here really admire him, take him seriously, and (very importantly) he seems to have no problem getting his films shown. "Goya" was shown in at least a dozen theatres in London,(as opposed to one or two for MLSF).

Just a bit of a reminder--"Relative Values" premieres in the US on STARZ at 8pm EDT. Can't wait!

"Goya" was shown in at least a dozen theatres in London,(as opposed to one or two for MLSF). Bethan......it showed at only one theatre in London...in Mayfair. LOL actually in the same theatre as MLSF. I know I was in London and went to see it. I enjoyed the film immensely...it was visually dazzling as was the exquisite accompanying soundtrack .Goya is one of my faves,so I was not disappointed.However, I must agee with Moon, Carlos Saura sacrificed the plot and the actors' talents for the artistry alone. I would hate to see Colin in the hands of such a director who obviously has other priorities.

Okay, we know RV wasn't going to be great. I cannot disagree with most of the reviews. Sigh. However, CF's Peter sparkled as much as the endless glasses of Veuve Cliquot served up during the party at the beginning of the movie. I loved how much he smiled, pulled faces, and gleefully moved about -- all mischief and fun. My favorite CF scene from the movie: Peter trotting after Don (WB), and their talk about being a movie star, and Peter (Colin), reciting the line from Casablanca --"Here's looking at you, kid." -- about four different ways. That cracked me up. Was most disappointed in Julie Andrews. I almost felt like I was watching her in the sequel of the Sound of Music: Maria 35 Years Later. There was neither bite in her delivery, nor any sense of irony whatsoever. Pity. Now on to how ODB looked: well- scrubbed and natty. He was even wearing a scarf (more like a kerchief) tied round his neck in one scene! Quite the gay blade.

(Lisa) Quite the gay blade LOL! You can say that again. Queen Colin rules! Actually, I had no problem whatsoever with Colin's performance or the character, although their take was much more flamboyant than in the play. He was a riot. I loved all the faces and the exaggeration. Could his legs have been more rubbery when he's to meet Don Lucas for the first time? ("My heart be still") ;-D Have to agree with you, Lisa, that scene going after Lucas ("back in the saddle, "indeed!) and the Casablanca bit were a highpoint. How can anyone not enjoy his performance? That devilish bit in the drawing room, asking Miranda those questions, which get her deeper and deeper. Poor boy had to smoke for this one. No faking it, as I could see. Criticism: makeup. They definitely tried to save on getting a quality makeup artist. Sheesh, not only did Julie Andrews look bad, but so did Jeanne Tripplehorn. Mmmmm, who could resist such a dashingly handsome man in a tux. Not a podgy moment at all. ;-D

He *really* did look good, v. young and slim. All I could think about was "won't he be unbearably handsome as Mark Darcy"

I see we all like Colin dressed up. :-) (Lisa),My favorite CF scene from the movie: Peter trotting after Don (WB), and their talk about being a movie star, and Peter (Colin), reciting the line from Casablanca --"Here's looking at you, kid." -- about four different ways. Mine too! A brilliant moment in a not-so-brilliant film. In general I thought he did overact as well as JA. It was deliberate on his part because Noel C did not play it like that. Colin must have checked this hwere they keep the film/plays archive. (Evelyn), I must agee with Moon, Carlos Saura sacrificed the plot and the actors' talents for the artistry alone. I would hate to see Colin in the hands of such a director who obviously has other priorities. Goya is also one of my favourites. He had a fascinating life which Carlos Saura skipped over. What was the point of the film? We all know that Vittorio Storaro is one of the best cinematographers around. Did I really need to see Goya's paintings reproduced 100 times their original size? No, I wanted a film about this incredible painter's life. It did not happen.

Some comments on RV: 1. Light, frothy fare. A pleasant 1 1/2 hours. 2. Colin's Peter: Geoffrey Clifton's gay twin. Disagree with the critics who said he was miscast. He's having some fun with it, which is the only way to do this type of film--play it broadly. Not nearly enough of him, however. Weren't there any Accuvue commercials available last summer?;-) 3. CF's "Bogie" scene with Billy Baldwin is the best in the film. 4. I liked the opening montage very much, and will give Eric Styles credit for that. A very clever way to capture what's already happened, and sets a very '50s tone. Good soundtrack, but they should have used the Sinatra version of "Almost Like Being In Love." Nobody sings it like Frank, and it would have enhanced the sense of '50s Hollywood glamour. 5. Billy Baldwin was a pleasant surprise; enjoyed all his scenes with Stephen Fry. Also liked the scene where he's posing with the fans for photos and Colin is asking, "Girls, isn't he the most delicious thing you've ever seen?" I liked how Peter the sophisticate is reduced to a drooling puddle in the presence of his idol!:-) 6. Was surprised to see Colin smoking. Makes me wonder if he fell off the wagon last summer when this was filming. It wasn't absolutely necessary for the character and they could have gotten around it as they did in 3DOR. 7. Sophie Thompson. Expected more from her because she had more to work with than the others, but she was no standout. Her "I'll drink too much and then spill my guts" scene, a real hackneyed staple of this type of film, should have worked much better than it did. Contrast with the brilliant job that Rosemary Harris did with essentially the same material in the MLSF dinner scene. 8. The film would have been greatly improved had they poked more fun at the drawing room comedy genre. This material is too dated--and has been done better in the past--that you can't just play it straight for today's audience. For example, I liked what they did in the scene where Billy B. is filming that Hollywood western-and we see him and the other actor in turn shove up their ten-gallon hats with one finger. It's a classic gesture, signaling an Old West version of a pissing contest. In this way, it's a playful homage to a well-worn genre. The film should have done more of this; not enough imagination in the script. It's the type of playful, winking touch that elevated SIL from a good film to a very good one. Then again, Tom Stoppard's script-doctor fee probably exceeds the entire budget for this film; but you get what you pay for.;-) 9. I thought Julie was fine, and looked good to boot. Tripplehorn--ok, I guess. 10. Edward Atterton has to be the most lackluster, bland actor I've seen in quite some time. But, maybe it was the script.

Was he really smoking ?( hope not!)... Not nearly enough of him, however. My sentiments exactly. more screentime, please! He always has to do so much with so little. Which is actually very difficult. Edward Atterton has to be the most lackluster, bland actor I've seen in quite some time. But, maybe it was the script. I saw Edward Atterton recently in a TV drama....he played a nasty piece of work, an army officer who raped a female colleague. I thought it was a very good performance, contemporary dialogue. In RV, he had the type of "romantic" role that CF is sometimes lumbered with (ATA, to a certain extent SLOW)... insipid, no teeth. The role is so important, and really does determine the performance. Which is why I'd love to see CF in a strong lead role again!

Oh dear, I thought Colin looked old and tired. He did perk up later in the film and I enjoyed his performance immensely. Surprised? Looks like he had a lot of fun with the role and played Peter more droll than camp. Think the film could have used more spark...perhaps more fun with the charade. Stpehen Fry was seriously underused and I'm surprised he received as much attention from the reviewers as he did. I liked Jeanne Tripplehorn - felt she brought the right amount of desperation to her role. I read in the paper she just got married. Mentioned her recent films but RV was not among them. ;=) Despised Billy Baldwin but I never have liked him in anything. Perhaps a second viewing will be more charitable toward him. My electricity went out 1/2 hour before the film started. Didn't stay off for long but it meant re-setting my cable box, etc. which took a few panicky minutes to figure out how to do.

Was he really smoking ?( hope not!)... Yes, most definitely. Would be a neat trick to get it to come out through your nose without inhaling. Not nearly enough of him, however. Far more of him in this than in the original play. In that, once he goes off in search of Don Lucas in Act 2, you don't see him again. I thought he was in nearly every scene...from beginning to end. He was Julie's girlfriend or accessory. Stpehen Fry was seriously underused I quite agree. In the play, Crestwell was a more meaningful role - the wise butler with all the answers and solutions. His role was so cut back, but Peter's gained in the process.

(Karen) Would be a neat trick to get it to come out through your nose without inhaling. Hey, I know Presidents who can do this.;-) Yes, CF gets a fair amount of face time here, but in most scenes, he's in the background, contributing a line or a reaction shot here and there--more an observer of the action, less a participant. But he makes the most of it; I do like his perfromance in this. Just wish it were more.:-) Bethan, I'll have to check out Ed Atterton in something else--sounds like his role in RV is not a good measure of his ability.

Oh, dear! I just received an e-mail from the Institute announcing that the Sciascia reading has been moved to Sunday, Nov. 12 at 11:30 am. I wonder what happened? It does appear that ODB will still be doing it, but perhaps they're hoping to cut down on the rabid masses by moving it to a Sunday morning? Wow, who knew I could get such an adrenaline rush from an e-mail????

Thanks for the update, Jenn. I wonder if there are now going to be two readings because of the huge response. Does the Institute have everyone's email address to notify them? Wow, who knew I could get such an adrenaline rush from an e-mail???? Wait until you experience seeing Colin in the Flesh. This is nothing. ;-D

(Jen), I just received an e-mail from the Institute announcing that the Sciascia reading has been moved to Sunday, Nov. 12 at 11:30 am. What about going to Mass? The communists have changed Italy. To think that my DH will be in London. It is not fair! :-(

One of the regular AICN guys has written up reviews of many of the films at the Chicago FF. He saw Donovan Quick. This is what he said: Colin Firth takes a stab at the lightweight, working-class, U.K. crowd pleaser genre (FULL MONTY, WAKING NED DEVINE, and 100 others in the past five years). This time the oppressors are the mass transit companies, which hold monopoly on routes and service in a small town. When the Windmill Transport Bus Company cancels service on a local train route, the retarded Sandy has no way to make it to his day care center. The mysterious title character blows into town and rents a room in Sandy�s sister�s house. With a suitcase full of cash, Donovan vows to help Sandy form his own one-bus bus company to provide service to the locals on a more convenient schedule for a more reasonable price. And the service is a hit (although they never really do resolve the whole day-care issue), so much so in fact that Windmill decides to extend its route to run a couple minutes ahead of Sandy and Donovan�s. The battle begins. DONOVAN QUICK is a little darker than the other films in this genre, especially as we start to discover wh re Dononvan has come from and what brought him to this small town. Also, a sub plot involving Sandy and her alcoholic abusive boyfriend is pretty intense. The film means well but doesn�t show us anything we haven�t seen before. Colin Firth is good and a little creepy as Donovan, but the film is one of those that slips into town for a week and by the time you realize it�s there, it�s not. ~~~~~~~ Might need to write a rebuttal for that bit about "crowd pleaser" films... http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=7276

Might need to write a rebuttal for that bit about "crowd pleaser" films... While you're at it hit him with the "creepy little Donovan" bit ...and ... the film is one of those that slips into town for a week and by the time you realize it�s there, it�s not ...What kind of a review is that??

PS Saw that you had already written your rebuttal so I added my own.

As regards the e-mail address, I think the Institute may have only notified members of the change of date and time--I can't be sure, but it seems a sound theory. Again, if anyone else is going to the reading, I'd love to meet up. Not that I'd mind going alone, but it is much more fun when there's someone else to drool with! Is Armadillo currently filming in London? If so, where (possibly) could one go to observe the...thrill...of location filming (note latent sarcasm of last statement)?

They certainly have not notified all members of the change. I am a member and was certainly planning on going and I have heard nothing from them. Will now e mail them to see if I get a response and, of course, will be on the phone tomorrow. Jen are you planning to go to the reading regardless of which day it is? There are a group of us going and you would be very welcome to join us.

(AICN) Also, a sub plot involving Sandy and her alcoholic abusive boyfriend is pretty intense. Wow, I must have missed this part. I thought Donovan and Sandy were just friends ;-). If you can stand another review of RV, I was a little disappointed in the movie overall. I guess I was hoping for a little more to it. The characters were only caricatures instead of being fully developed. That might have been OK I guess, if the script was wittier and more action was going on. I agree about Stephen Fry being underused. He was hilarious in a very small role in Londinium and I wish he�d had more to do here. Julie was kind of one-note which was probably more the fault of the script than her fault. I enjoyed Sophie Thompson and liked the scenes when she finally outed her sister. Jeanne Tripplehorn got on my nerves but she did come across as sort of pathetic and terrified under all that forced confidence which I thought was good for the role. I didn't think Billy Baldwin was all that good a fit for his role. Couldn�t they have chosen someone handsomer who could be more convincing as a classic film idol? He looked and acted too modern and I thought they needed someone who was more drop ead gorgeous, and who could play the shallow, vain classic movie star. The movie was gorgeous to look at though and I liked the costumes and the sets. Regarding Colin, I thought he looked cute and like that clean cut Tuxedo look on him. He appeared to be having fun with the role and I enjoyed the funny way he delivered some of the lines, but frankly I thought he was a smidge over the top with the limp wristed behavior in spots. My opinion probably wasn�t helped by the fact that I was watching this with my husband who was enjoying my hearthrob acting so effeminate waaaaay too much ;-). I have to watch it all the way through again and BY MYSELF so that I can pay particular attention to Colin. I don�t feel I�ve done him justice yet :-). (Moon)To think that my DH will be in London. It is not fair! :-( You mean a visit to see "Il Cornuto" is not on his travel itinerary ;-)?

(Jana) My opinion probably wasn�t helped by the fact that I was watching this with my husband who was enjoying my hearthrob acting so effeminate waaaaay too much ;-). *pfffttt!* Too funny, Jana. Remind me not to put your husband and Moon's in the same room any time soon. ODB may not survive ;-)

My opinion probably wasn�t helped by the fact that I was watching this with my husband who was enjoying my hearthrob acting so effeminate waaaaay too much ;-). I have to watch it all the way through again and BY MYSELF so that I can pay particular attention to Colin. I don�t feel I�ve done him justice yet :-). LOL, Jana, don�t I know the feeling! You mean a visit to see "Il Cornuto" is not on his travel itinerary ;-)? Just think of the fun I would have had in coming up with an excuse to miss Sunday mass. (Tamsin), Jen are you planning to go to the reading regardless of which day it is? I am confused. Is Colin doing two days now? I thought Jen said that it had been postponed to Sunday. Tamsin call them and find out. BTW. are you the same Tamsin that posts at the DWG?

Was he really smoking ?( hope not!)... Yes, most definitely. Would be a neat trick to get it to come out through your nose without inhaling. Don't remember this...will obviously have to study the video carefully when it comes out in a few weeks! Hope he keeps the old enemy at bay! Jennie, I should think the reading must have been postponed because of filming (Armadillo) commitments. Filming normally continues into the evening, and Sunday must be a day off for cast/crew. Otherwise Sunday morning really is a very odd time for a reading - a lot of folk will still be struggling out of bed! - and there would be absolutely no reason for the change. Anyway, fortunately it's been brought forward, not postponed. Get a seat in the front row, if you can! I think reviewers are missing the point about DQ. The main problem is that we produce so many working class feel-good comedies- "The Next Full Monty" - that there's a danger that all these kind of films are lumped together. I hope that there's some sort of closure soon on DQ... that it's either released as a movie. or goes straight to TV. The worst option is a sort of limbo, in which no-one sees it, and the genre could become dated. (Evelyn), I must agree with Moon, Carlos Saura sacrificed the plot and the actors' talents for the artistry alone. I would hate to see Colin in the hands of such a director who obviously has other priorities. I haven't see any of Saura's films, so my opinion really has no foundation. But, I would like to see CF do a serious art house movie, and a strong dramatic role, and another period (as in nineteenth century!) drama. MOB could fit the bill, but I accept that everyone has reservations about this!

(AICN) Also, a sub plot involving Sandy and her alcoholic abusive boyfriend is pretty intense. ( JanaJH)Wow, I must have missed this part. I thought Donovan and Sandy were just friends ;-). I think he must have meant Clive...

(Bethan),I should think the reading must have been postponed because of filming (Armadillo) commitments. So by the time we get a confirmation of Colin starring in Armadillo, the filming will be over. ;-) Is that typical or what?

(Bethan),I should think the reading must have been postponed because of filming (Armadillo)commitments. Huh??? Do you know something we don't know , Bethan?

nope, just inspired guesswork (wishful thinking?)! But events at the Institute always seem to be scheduled for Monday evenings. Why reschedule for Sunday morning of all times, unless the reader was caught up in a film schedule. Or maybe he's out jogging!

Hmmmm...Colin out jogging? If ever there was a reason to get up early in the morning, that is it. Jennie, the e-mail I received was from the membership secretary. All she said was that the reading was moved up to Sunday morning 12 Nov., and that refreshments will be served. And believe you me, I plan on attending regardless of what day or time the reading will be. I'd love to join your group, if you'll have a yank like me. E-mail me, and we'll work out the details. Oh, drat--I think I just broke my printer....

Bad news from Tracy. The duty manager at ABC Panton Street has confirmed that there are no showings of Londinium there at all this week, nor planned - some kind of excuse about the print not turning up. Some day my prints will come!

(Mark) some kind of excuse about the print not turning up Tee hee, I swear, I had NOTHING to do with it! :-)

Thanks, Tracy and Mark. What kind of company is this!?! They can't ship a simple reel of film overseas for their principal market? *shaking head* Do they think this film is going to sell based on pure word of mouth? Maybe they'll now take it to Milan for next week's market...if they're still able to do so. Probably too late.

For those of you with zillions of cable channels, Fran has uncovered the broadcast premiere of the Secret Laughter of Women on the Lifetime Movie Network (not regular Lifetime television) on Nov 13th (8 pm) and November 14th (9:30 am).

(Mark) Some day my prints will come! Heehee! (Gi) I think he must have meant Clive... Surely you meant Lucy, not Clive. BTW, LOL Jana! ;-)

(Mark) Some day my prints will come! LOL, Mark, that would be funny if it weren't so pathetic! Actually, it's still pretty funny.:-) Seriously, I think the prints didn't show up because they never sent them. They said last week they were cancelling the screenings. At least they were telling the truth and not just trying to blow our folks off. (Karen) What kind of company is this!?! Is amateurish spelled eu or ue? Mon Dieu, can never remember.;-)

Spoke to the Italian Institute today and, as you know, they said they had to reschedule because of Colin having other commitments. I ask when they would be opening on the Saunday and they said probably a half an hour before the reading. How long tdo you think the queue will be by then!! Jen I will e mail you to arrange contact details. Of course, we don't mind a Yank coming. There should be another Yank and two Norwegians. See what dedication his fans have. I already knew about the refreshments - they told me drinks upstairs when I went there and said the length of time for the reading would depend on the interaction between the reader and the audience! When they were asked about how would people be advised about the change of timings the Italian Institute said details would be in Time Out - the London magazine. Pretty poor show for those planning to come long distances or from abroad I think.

(Jennie) the length of time for the reading would depend on the interaction between the reader and the audience! Oh, Jennie, I like the sound of this! Try to keep him there *all day long.* ;-) As for the lack of communication with attendees about the date change, thank goodness we have our little networks of Firth faithful to help each other out.

Another review of RV, thanks to Anne R. This one is good for the film and CF. This is from the Sunday Patriot-News, Harrisburg, PA, Sunday, October 22, 2000: Coward script becomes spirited film By Sharon Johnson Of The Patriot-News Details: "Relative Values" by Noel Coward; starring Julie Andrews and William Baldwin; 8 p.m. today on STARZ! Granted, "Relative Values" is not the best of Noel Coward. But let's face it. Even second-class Coward is superior to much contemporary writing. And the bit of fluff debuting on STARZ! tonight has been beautifully packaged. Even if the wrappings at first seem a bit shabby. William Baldwin in a Noel Coward script? In his earliest scenes, he appears distinctly ill at ease. But Baldwin will grow on you as a Hollywood man of action who flies to England to rescue the woman he loves. Few might think screen star Miranda Frayle (Jeanne Tripplehorn) needs rescuing. She's about to marry the Earl of Marshwood (Edward Atterton) and become the leading lady in his stately home. But back at the mansion, the news that an American adventuress has won the earl's heart does not please his spirited mother (Julie Andrews.) Nor her maid Moxie (Sophie Thompson, sister of Emma) who happens to be the sister of Miranda. Miranda's presence does bring excitement to the lives of the staff. Particularly the butler (Stephen Fry) who helps to pass Moxie off as an heiress so there will be no problem with the class differences, which aren't all that separate the two sisters. Also present is the earl's cousin (Colin Firth) who is vastly entertained by the drama at his family home. Particularly when Baldwin's inebriated actor shows up to claim his true love. "Relative Values" is an engaging period piece which serves mainly as a showcase for its fine cast. Andrews, in particular, reminds viewers that there's more to her talent than her voice. (Though not even she can carry off a remarkably dowdy wardrobe.) Thompson, Firth and Fry are particularly good. But even Tripplehorn and Baldwin hold their own in the pleasing comedy. The original film will have its debut at 8 tonight on STARZ! It will have encore performances throughout the month.

(Karen), What kind of company is this!?! They can't ship a simple reel of film overseas for their principal market? There must be more to this. The Binders are in LA filmiing that HBO special now. Still, it is very amateurish to cancel a screening they had been planning for weeks. Could they be thinking of re-editing? They must have had some feedback from the LA/NY viewers. This is something to investigate. (hint, hint, OK!,OK!) ;-)

(Moon) The Binders are in LA filmiing that HBO special now. They didn't need to be there, as the screening is being held under (John) Sloss Special Projects' banner. He's the NY lawyer ($$$) who is a big backer of indie films, including Boys Don't Cry (I think). (Jennie) the length of time for the reading would depend on the interaction between the reader and the audience! What counts as "interaction"? ;-D Does everyone have their questions ready? How on earth could he still be shooting Armadillo? Would this be the longest shoot on record for a two-part TV film? (cue for Bethan to cite statistics on average number of days to film) (Jennie) Pretty poor show for those planning to come long distances or from abroad I think. In all fairness to the Institute (although why it deserves any special consideration is beyond me, except for getting Colin to be there), I'm sure they didn't think for a minute that people would be coming from all points of the globe. Their usual audience is likely a small group of locals. (S. Jones) William Baldwin in a Noel Coward script? In his earliest scenes, he appears distinctly ill at ease. But Baldwin will grow on you as a Hollywood man of action who flies to England to rescue the woman he loves. Has this reporter been deluded into thinking Billy Baldwin is the main character? It clearly stated at the beginning that the actors were shown in alphabetical order. ;-D And face it, does anyone care about him? (S. Jones) Also present is the earl's cousin (Colin Firth) who is vastly entertained by the drama at his family home. Doesn't exactly excite you as to his role, does it. Also present is some lovely furniture and some antique automobiles. (Though not even she can carry off a remarkably dowdy wardrobe.) *snort* ;-D

For what it is worth, People Mag. is conducting the sexiest man alive poll for the year 2000. If you wish to vote for ODB go here: http://people.aol.com/people/spa/sma2000/poll/index.html

Re: People's tally Russell Crowe!?!?!!? PUHL-EEEZ

About as sexy as a wet noodle (to me anyway)

As long as Anne R. keeps finding these, I'll keep posting them.:-) A brief one: From the Seattle Times, Oct. 22, by John Hartl: Julie Andrews stars in an adaptation of Noel Coward's 1951 play, "Relative Values," at 8 p.m. on the Starz Channel. The British production had its American premiere several months ago at the Seattle International Film Festival, though it never enjoyed a subsequent theatrical release. Andrews plays a frustrated aristocrat with a nephew (Colin Firth) and a butler (Stephen Fry) who both sound like characters Coward might have played on stage. Her son (Edward Atterton) is engaged to marry a movie queen (Jeanne Tripplehorn), who doesn't realize she's still in love with her ex-boyfriend (William Baldwin). Reminiscent of Coward's "Private Lives," it's not nearly as much fun, though Firth and Fry make the time pass quickly.

Yes, please continue to post Anne's findings. though it never enjoyed a subsequent theatrical release. Excellent start for a review. Tell everyone it was a loser. What journalism school dropped this person? ;-D though Firth and Fry make the time pass quickly. At least the reviewer was discerning enough to recognize good acting. ;-D

Anyone in London want to see Hour of the Pig on a big screen? Apparently it is playing on Sunday evening (7 pm) at The Lux in Hoxton. A real coincidence as I was watching this just now. There's a Fever Pitch moment or two. When Courtois first goes to see the Seigneur, he is just like Paul at the interview and with the kid's mom. Then there's the rant to get clothes on Jeanne the witch - Colin's famous exasperated yell.

I've got my Armadillo from amazon.com by post on my birthday. Hope to start reading it this weekend :-)

Anyone in London want to see Hour of the Pig on a big screen? Apparently it is playing on Sunday evening (7 pm) at The Lux in Hoxton. Pity HOTP (and Valmont) never got a theatrical release in the UK. The guy's not lucky! We only get to see him in supporting roles! Hope DQ and Londinium make it. I was looking through the Writers Handbook 2000 (excellent for media contacts/literary/publishing/film/video companies etc). Andrew Davies and William Boyd apparently have the same agent - The Agency in Holland Park, London. Very few clients (very select) so they must know each other. More details about "Dr Zhivago" which AD is scripting..it will consist of 6 x 52 minute episodes (ie 6 hours, allowing for adverts). Must be very true to the novel, which covers more of Yuri's life after losing Lara. Although it's TV, it's very expensive TV, and a terrific lead role. I've got my Armadillo from amazon.com by post on my birthday. Hope to start reading it this weekend :-) Good reading. Enjoy! (and another great leading role!)

http://www.int.granadamedia.com/market/index.htm For the Andrew Davies link. One can always hope (especially if they film in Italy!)

Got to view RV last night.... (Mari)I liked the opening montage very much, and will give Eric Styles credit for that. A very clever way to capture what's already happened, and sets a very '50s tone. Good soundtrack Best part of the film,(it set the tone)....that and the "Bogie" impersonation . Too bad Eric Styles did follow -up on his innovating beginning. (Mari)Sophie Thompson. Expected more from her because she had more to work with than the others, but she was no standout. A real let-down for me....she was tremendous in "Emma". (Heide)Despised Billy Baldwin but I never have liked him in anything. LOL. Reminds me of the reviewer who said "The only reason anyone ever casts Billy Baldwin is because they can't get Alec.." (Heide)Oh dear, I thought Colin looked old and tired. I think that look was contrived...he wasn't supposed to look like a hunk. I thought he played the part v. well...the second time I viewed it ,I conscentrated on his facial expressions,(did I detect a "cooing" sound?), effeminate mannerisms, the little sashaying walk (no Darcy stride here). The guy is amazing.(I kept wondering if Stephen Fry coached him;-) Dunno' know if I'd plunk $8.50 at the box office to see it or rent it.In fact , but for ODB I would have hit the re-wind button early on.

(Evelyn) Dunno' know if I'd plunk $8.50 at the box office to see it Is that with or without airfare included? ;-D

(Evelyn) Dunno' know if I'd plunk $8.50 at the box office to see it (Eileen)Is that with or without airfare included? ;-D LOL....He's gotta do better than this for me to go "up, up and away"... (Bethan)More details about "Dr Zhivago" which AD is scripting..it will consist of 6 x 52 minute episodes (ie 6 hours,) For the Andrew Davies link. One can always hope (especially if they film in Italy!) I thought Dr. Zhivago took place in Russia;-) I have a big picture of this guy signing up for six months when he can't do a play for three...

DQ was shown in Canada at the Atlantic Film Festival in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Sept 15-23..."a warm and bittersweet comedy" http://www.atlanticfilm.com/donovan_quick.shtml I have a big picture of this guy signing up for six months when he can't do a play for three... Can't *afford* to do a play perhaps, not at the Donmar anyway. Wouldn't pay the tube fare. And a few months in Italy would keep his in-laws happy! I would place an evens bet on Dr Zhivago. They're casting in December

Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but I thought it might be of interest to CF fans other than myself. Believe it or not, Silent Laughter of Women is scheduled to be shown on the Lifetime Movie Network on Monday, Nov. 13 at 8PM and Tues Nov 14 at 9:30AM. Ladies, start your VCR's...

Thanks for that reeview Bethan, and now Canada has seen it before the UK. (BTW Bethan you didn't tell me how high up in the Lakes Buttermere was, very steep and winding single track roads, but the scenery was stunning which made it all worthwhile.)

(Ann) and now Canada has seen it before the UK. No whinging, now, Ann. It will be playing in Birmingham in a few weeks. It's not like it was playing ALL OVER the US and Canada. Only Australia got the national play...at least that we know of. Perhaps, it's been shown in South America too??? ;-D Thanks, Sylvanna. The info was posted a couple of days ago about SLOW, but that's not the regular Lifetime channel most get on their basic cable. This is a *premium* channel and might not be offered all over the place.

Oh, Ann, did you see any filming or preparing for filming going on up there? ;-D

Ann, just to make matters worse DQ was I believe on National New Zealand T.V. just some days ago. It ought to be on now with the railtrack troubles etc.

Hi Bethan, sorry about the whinging, but a very small whinge never hurt anyone hee hee! No sign of camera crews or filming and for the life of me I don't know how they would get a camera crew and all it entails up the single tracks, perhaps they would fly them in but this Director (whose names escapes me) will have a ball with the scenery. Stunning, magnificent and ever changing. Also I was hoping to hear that we had had confirmation that Colin was in Armadillo on my return but nothing.

Oh and thanks Anne I am glad to hear that NZ are seeing DQ. I know we just have to be patient.

OOOPS, sorry I sahould have said Karen, not Bethan, too early in the morning!

No sign of camera crews or filming and for the life of me I don't know how they would get a camera crew and all it entails up the single tracks, perhaps they would fly them in but this Director (whose names escapes me) will have a ball with the scenery. Stunning, magnificent and ever changing. One reason I'm keen on the MOB project is that I just love the area...and the scenery is out of this world. Most people think of the Lake District as Windermere, which is pretty but bland, but after Bowness you really start climbing. On a clear day, as you say, Buttermere is absolutely stunning, and it's even wilder further north...another world. There's potential for a visually splendid film...the backdrop is so magnificent. I'd love to see the scene where Hope escapes by climbing the high craggy passes and meets Mary, and also the scene where he drives a coach and four across the sands at Hest Bank (also very stunning). You can actually stay in the Fish Inn...it's still a very popular hotel for serious walkers and climbers.. But so high up that there's no TV! It's the nearest CF will get to Gladiator! Would have to be fit.

For those with the RV tape....check me out...he does so "coo"..I looked at it again last night and heard him. In parts he is making faces and sounds when others are speaking, I have never seen Colin do that before...but then he is Peter, not Colin!That Boggie scene is a classic...but so is the card-playing scene. And I want some website to get a snappy of him with the Girl Guides...he is enjoying it so..."oooooo":-))

(Ann), No sign of camera crews or filming and for the life of me I don't know how they would get a camera crew and all it entails up the single tracks, perhaps they would fly them in but this Director (whose names escapes me) will have a ball with the scenery. Stunning, magnificent and ever changing. Carlos Saura has recreated exteriors and shot them indoors in Goya. He seems to prefer indoor shooting to work with the lighting of the scenes. His Tango film ignored Argentina and was filmed indoors as well. We got a glimps from a window shot but that was that! IMO, he should be doing theatre, not film. As I have stated before, MoB would be a disaster in his hands.

Those of you who are extolling Carlos Saura as a film director really should see one of his films. He is a film technique director NOT a performance director.Actors are secondary in his films."You can't change the spots on a leopard "as Peter tells Lord Marshwood;-)(I'm into RV these days). Neil La Bute is a performance director;-)))In a recent interview he comments on how he lets the actors interpret the roles.

Carlos Saura approach to directing is that of a visual stylist. He would seem to view film as a visual art and employ it as such. Having not read "The Maid of Buttermere" I cannot say if Saura's technique would be a help or a hinderance to the film. The excerpts I read posted here at drool indicated a rather awkward style on the writer's part. The language did not flow and the writer seemed at odds with telling the story. In film schools, some intructors teach that the finest accomplishment is to be able to convey emotions and story through pictures; a scene which conveys everything needed without any dialogue whatsoever. Of course, accomplished actors are very useful to achieve such an effect. Neil LaBute is a more literary director in the sense that he started his career in theater as a playwright and director. He comes from a certain theatrical tradition which emphasizes the reliance on dialogue. Action is relayed through the metier of dialogue, as well as character development. This may well make LaBute particularly well suited to adapt the work of other writers. However, judging from his own work, LaBute is most definitely not for all tastes. He would seem to be one of those whom are either really admired by some, detested by others. He doesn't inspire too much in the way of middle ground. I don't really know if Colin Firth would be well-served by being in a Carlos Saura film of "The Maid of Buttermere". I do think that being a wonderful actor, he would serve such a film well. It could be said that CF's work would be worth seeing, even if the film weren't particularly good, or appealing to one's own personal tastes.

I do think that being a wonderful actor, he would serve such a film well. It could be said that CF's work would be worth seeing, even if the film weren't particularly good, or appealing to one's own personal tastes. I believe the point we were discussing is whether Calos Saura would serve CF well. We all agree with you that CF's work would be worth seeing, even if the film weren't particularly good, or appealing to one's own personal tastes. We recall Playmaker and a few others that did not appeal to our personal tastes, yet we have seen them because of CF. Carlos Saura approach to directing is that of a visual stylist. What is more visual than outdoor location shots? He has avoided that altogether in his last two films.

Blood Wedding and Tango were two of the best films I have ever seen. There is a deeply intense sensuality in Saura's work as well as a focus on perfect cinematic moments. He creates a truly "physical" experience for the public with his perfect direction and timing as well as his choice of musical score. Watching a Saura film is tantamount to watching a Mozart opera!

(Moon Dreams) What is more visual than outdoor location shots? Perhaps Saura has been recently inspired by some of the Dutch Genre Painters of the 17th Century. A few of them were quite interested in the visual effects of light on interiors.

(Moon) I believe the point we were discussing is whether Carlos Saura would serve CF well. I thought she did touch on your point and then simply added the converse. I commend you ladies for spending so much effort discussing the merits of Saura working with Colin and vice versa. We could next discuss him in a Woody Allen film since imvho the likelihood of that is equal to the likelihood of seeing him in the Maid of Buttermere. I'm in no way knocking this discussion. Please keep at it. The depth of your knowledge is impressive. We can only discuss a film almost 6 months old for so long. On the other hand, discussing RV is less likely to result in damaged feelings. (Ev) For those with the RV tape.... You mean there is such a thing? '-) Perfect segue to my offer to get hold of me if you have not yet had the pleasure of seeing RV. I have never seen Colin do that before Nice to see he can still surprise us. but then he is Peter, not Colin! And if there's ever a film that clearly defines the difference, this is it. I want some website to get a snappy of him with the Girl Guides I love that scene - the long shot as he's towering over the giddy girls, just as giddy as they.

I saw his latest only..."Goya"..and I can tell you the actor takes a back seat. If it had been an opera, you would not have paid attention to the singing. We're not saying that he isn't a good director, but that he isn't an actor's director. in film schools, some intructors teach that the finest accomplishment is to be able to convey emotions and story through pictures; a scene which conveys everything needed without any dialogue whatsoever Oh dear, I have just finished reading a book by David Mamet on acting (True and False) and he would say that is pure heresy. Emotions and story dwell in the dialogue....an arguable point it seems.

Ev) For those with the RV tape.... You mean there is such a thing? '-) I mean't the TV tape of RV...It goes on into Nov....Check The Bucket for times...Find a friend who has Starz, that 's what I did. Heide...but did you hear him "oooing?" Cute uh? He doesn't miss a beat in this character...of course, this isn't the same character as the play...but who cares?

(Cheryl), Perhaps Saura has been recently inspired by some of the Dutch Genre Painters of the 17th Century. A few of them were quite interested in the visual effects of light on interiors. The lighting is perfect in his films because he uses the best cinematographer at this which is Vittorio Storaro. The story takes the background to his visuals. (Lassie), He creates a truly "physical" experience for the public with his perfect direction and timing as well as his choice of musical score. Watching a Saura film is tantamount to watching a Mozart opera! The physical experience came in wanting to leave the theatre. And, I could not disagree more with your opera comment. `A chacun son go�t!

(Lassie) Blood Wedding and Tango were two of the best films I have ever seen...Watching a Saura film is tantamount to watching a Mozart opera! Maybe if you make nice to Karen she'll start a Carlos Saura topic for you. I find visual movies about as interesting as watching grass grow. But then, I'm not the artsy-fartsy type. :-P

Always great to see a lively discussion developing, even if, as Heide says, it could be theoretical at this stage! Hasn't Saura done a lot of different work? His recent films "Tango" and "Goya" sound very stylised and I accept your viewpoints on these, but I remember reading an article not so long ago about the theme of childhood in films. There was mention of the marvellous Cinema Paradiso, and also a reference to a film directed (and written) by Carlos Saura, which was about a young girl growing up in a small Spanish village. It was described as being very warm and moving, in the same genre as CP, with very strong performances. Title had the name Anna or Anya (?) in it. So perhaps his style of direction varies. MOB is being shot in the Lake District...why film there, if they are going to ignore the scenery? We could next discuss him in a Woody Allen film since imvho the likelihood of that is equal to the likelihood of seeing him in the Maid of Buttermere. (Heide) Well, LolaFilms said that details about MOB would be available in December. I promise to ring back, and put an end to all the suspense! And then we can discuss in earnest (or not discuss, as the case may be). But I think CF will do it...there's a strong theme of social injustice, and he'd also get to play a man with serious problems, and a loser to boot! :-) Sorry for the diversion ...back to RV!

(Heide)On the other hand, discussing RV is less likely to result in damaged feelings. Not me...my feelings are never hurt/damaged. But thank you for looking out for me;-) ~~~~~~~~~~ Re: RV. I shall be glad to have a tape made of RV (NTSC)and send it around to those who can't find a Starz subscriber. Pl. email me.(Lendsies not keepsies.)

An exclusive charity event - read all about it - 23rd Noveber 2000 celebrating the publication of SPEAKING WITH THE ANGEL - An evening of words and music - introduced by Nick Hornby - Featuring star performers reading from stories by Robert Harris & Nick Hornby at the Hammersmith Palais, Hammersmith Road, London, W6. Doors open 7.30p.m. entertainment starts 8p.m. full bar snacks available all evening 15pounds including a minimum of 5pounds per ticket to The Tree House Trust - tickets available from Ticketweb or 0207771 2000 - in association with WaterStones. Hope some of U.K. gals can go.

Thanks Anne! No CF though. http://s1.waterstones.co.uk/cgi-bin/wat01prd.storefront/ Ray Winstone, Kathy Burtke and Neil Pearson are reading. Wonder if the book isn't coming out til late November. Dates are always shifting.

Bethan, according to their site the book will be published on 2nd November. I've had it on pre-order for ages now, so am hoping for a nice thud on my doormat later in the week!

The Southwark Literature Festival began yesterday and runs all this week. " with featured writers including William Boyd" Could it be too much to ask that he is discussing a certain book purchased by a fair few of us recently? Details on 020 7403 7400. As this was from the Guardian, hopefully there may be coverage later in the week or in the weekend edition.

So is Colin filming somewhere? What a pity he is not there - but it would be a great evening nevertheless.

Does sounds like a great evening. You never know who might show up. I've never had the pleasure of meeting Nick as so many of you had. ;-) History of the TreeHouse Fund: "The TreeHouse was set up in 1997 by a North London group of parents of children recently diagnosed with autism and related communication disorders. Finding a lack of effective, early, educational intervention for their children these parents decided to set about providing it." Looks like Nick might have been one of those parents. The Southwark Literature Festival began yesterday and runs all this week. " with featured writers including William Boyd" Jeez, I'm jealous. So much culture, dahlings. Even more important, so many trails to follow to get a whiff of what our boy might be doing. (Ev) Not me...my feelings are never hurt/damaged. LOL, Evelyn. Don't worry, I know your hide is as rhino-thick as mine. By the way, it's not that I don't know there are tapes of RV, it's that I don't think there are supposed to be any. ;-) However, I'll throw caution to the winds and say that there are probably at least as many tapes out there as there are times RV is being shown on Starz. My e-mail addy is working above if anyone has not had the pleasure...

By the way, it's not that I don't know there are tapes of RV, it's that I don't think there are supposed to be any. ;- I didn't see a notice from the FBI at the beginning of it;-) I think it's OK to film TV for personal use.Not for sale or mass viewing.

I would "mass view" ODB in a lemon cravat anytime!!

Here is the page on Peter Lathan's "British Actors Best Living Actor Results" with a lot of explanation. Very interesting. But Colin didn't get as many votes as he should have. Michael Crawford? The power of the internet fan! http://britishtheatre.about.com/aboutuk/britishtheatre/library/weekly/aa102900a.htm Murph

This one is for our UK fans.... From Teletext Elliot director slams costume dramas "Billy Elliot director Stephen Daldry has hit out at the film industry's love of 'middle-class' costume dramas. British audiences want to see working-class stories on the big screen, he says in a US interview. Daldry also talks about the problems of finding financial backers for the award-winning Billy Elliot, which tells the story of a boy from a mining community. 'No one wanted to give any money,' he complains."

(Murph) Here is the page on Peter Lathan's "British Actors Best Living Actor Results"... But Colin didn't get as many votes as he should have. I don't waste my time on this stuff. IMO they're about as honest and meaningful as Slobodan Milosovic's last "election".

British audiences want to see working-class stories on the big screen, he says in a US interview. That is about all they seem to do! That is the reason why I do not watch BBC/America. I would like to see contemporary upper-class stories, for a change.

Interesting mini feature on Irene Jacob in one of the Sundays. "Madame Melville" is a huge hit with the critics who seem totally smitten with IJ. (the Binder bros. please take note....your gal is red hot at the moment. But I guess the market for theatre and movies isn't the same). She apparently loves working in the UK. There'a a mention of MLSF ..."Irene recently appeared in David Puttnam's MLSF. She says that she was really happy during the filming, so much so that she cried when the filming was over." British audiences want to see working-class stories on the big screen, he says in a US interview. Well, that's what the distributors seem to think! Which makes the failure of DQ to reach even a couple of screens in London (the bottom line release) ve-e-ry strange. The London FF starts soon... one of the films premiering (says she, sourly) is a new BBC film, a working class comedy set in a fish and chip shop in Ireland. Riveting stuff.

(article) British audiences want to see working-class stories on the big screen, he says in a US interview. (Bethan) Well, that's what the distributors seem to think! Naah, distributors want anything that makes money, period (to wit: Terminator 3 and Basic Instinct 2. Hardly working class stories!).

Naah, distributors want anything that makes money, period (to wit: Terminator 3 and Basic Instinct 2. Hardly working class stories!). Do you blame them? Anybody wanna risk their retirement fund on a costume drama? It will be interesting to see how The Golden Bowl does in the UK. Harvey won't even release it in the US.And it's a Miramax film!(Sorry, this should be on 136)

Posting for Mickie: Hello Firthfans, I have a favor to ask. There are some of us who are planning a trip to London and could really use some helpful hints. I remember that when many of you returned from seeing Three Days of Rain you had many wonderful experiences. I was hoping that you would be willing to share your experiences. Restaurants, hotels , tourist spots the lot. So that all CF fans could enjoy the benefit of your expertice would it be possible for you to add your comments to the message board at Murph's CF Interactive page? http://www.geocities.com/firthfan/index.html You can even write your own review of Relative Values which I must admit I liked a lot better the second time I watched. So if you are not really happy with it the first time watch it again. Thank you. Also, I made an attempt at a Colin related crossword puzzle and word search. If some of you like that type of game would you mind trying it out and letting me know what you think? Too hard? Too easy etc.... I would be very appreciative. Thanks for your help, Mickie

(Evelyn) Anybody wanna risk their retirement fund on a costume drama? Very true. Anything that's backed by private investors/studios (as opposed to government/lottery funds) needs to see a financial return. Investors are funny like that; they don't want to lose money.;-) Costume drama fans may watch on TV, but they tend not to turn out at the cinemas. There are exceptions, of course, but the reviews need to be impeccable and whoever markets the film needs to be willing to stay the course until it finds an audience. RE: Golden Bowl--somebody did buy it from Miramax for US distribution, Evelyn--maybe Artisan or Lion's Gate, can't recall. Due here in the spring, I believe. Harvey's mistake was taking it to Cannes--that place is a death knell for films like this.

There was a review in yesterday's Evening Standard of Speaking with the Angel. It is not online and given my posting problems I can only type the relevant bits. It is headed *Hornby's Dream Team*. The second paragraph starts: *In any case Hornby is right about the delicious menu on offer. The contributors range from the solidly reliable(Robert Harris, Helen Fielding, Roddy Doyle, Hornby himself) to the idiosynchratic (Irvine Welsh, Dave Eggers) the voguish (Zadie Smith, Melissa Bank) and the completely untried, at least at the short story (playwright Patrick Marber and actor Colin Firth, who rather bizarrely finds himself alondside the creators of Mr Darcey [sic],aka him, and Paul Ashworth whom he played in the film version of Fever Pitch. ..... It's perhaps no coincidence that Marber and Firth, meanwhile, choose not adult voices, but those of a lustful (for gleaming vinyl as well as sex) adolescent and an unusually imaginative child, and thus rely heavily on an occasionally clumsy but mostly poignant kind of nostalgia. ..... Though Hornby's introductory comment are a bit bossy "Luckily, I don't have to justify myself to you because all you've done is buy a book that you wanted to read" - he is not wrong as it goes. Sorry not to have typed it all. My typing is just not fast enough. Hopefully it will be on their Thisislondon site soon.

It's perhaps no coincidence that Marber and Firth, meanwhile, choose not adult voices, but those of a lustful (for gleaming vinyl as well as sex) adolescent and an unusually imaginative child, and thus rely heavily on an occasionally clumsy but mostly poignant kind of nostalgia. Thanks Allison, for spotting this! Sounds like a positive review. Can we assume that Colin's contibution is through the voice of an unusually imaginitive child? "Poignant nostalgia" sounds promising. You can even write your own review of Relative Values which I must admit I liked a lot better the second time I watched. I *always"* find that CF's stuff grows on me, and there's more to it than first appears. Am looking forward to studying the video in a few weeks time! Interestingly, there's a new Coward play "Fallen Angels" just opened in the West End. Good reviews for what is regarded as a rather insubstantial play. But what struck me was that the actors have obviously gone for over the top performances and milked it for all it was worth. I think CF would enjoy doing Coward on stage.....and would be very good.

BTW, on the subject of books, does anyone know if CF's mum is an author? I was browsing through our local second hand bookshop the other day, and purely by chance I saw a book called "Hindu Ritual and Society". It was written by Shirley Firth and two other authors. It was in the "Comparative Religion" section. Given that she taught this subjest and grew up in India, seems likely?

*purely by chance* LOL! Just happened to be browsing in the authors "F"! BTW does anyone have any idea why i can no longer paste here? I copy text but when I try and paste it into my response, there is nothing there. I can cut/copy and paste everywhere else.

Bethan, you are correct. Colin's mother is the author of that scholarly book (it is basically her doctoral dissertation).

Allison - Hopefully it will be on their Thisislondon site soon. Thanks for info. The article is now on line.

Thanks for the review, Allison. I'm anxious to read what the unusually imaginative child has come up with.:-)

Thanks, Allison! I hope we are not disappointed. Did they give the title to his story?

Thanks for spotting the article, Allison. Am also anxious to read the story by "Bridget Jones's beloved and unreformable great-aunt" who lies prone on the bathroom floor. ;-D Will email you about difficulties in posting and pasting.

Thank you for spotting the article Alison and for letting us know it's now there Aishling. Off to take a peek!

oops Allison! Another one no good at fast typing.

BFF programme is now on line. DQ has one screening at 3.00pm on Sunday 19 November. Sorry cannot link but Bethan gave URL earlier.

Here's the url: http://www.film-tv-festival.org.uk/

The RV tape- train leaves today...I have several .If you want it yell (via email). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I really like him in this...great one-liners and good timing.He does comedy well and seems to be going in that genre. Good career move, dramatic parts are far and few between (except for TV) and Rafe seems to get the first pick.

Here's the new cover for the reissued Valmont:

purely by chance* LOL! Just happened to be browsing in the authors "F"! (Allison) No, really, scouts honour, cross my heart and hope to die! It's a secondhand/academic bookshop, used mainly by students, which doesn't recognise alphabetical order (the best stuff is on the floor!) Colin's mother is the author of that scholarly book (it is basically her doctoral dissertation). (Lassie) Aha. Thought so. Looked way over my head! Good career move, dramatic parts are far and few between (except for TV) and Rafe seems to get the first pick. (Evelyn) Versatility is the key to survival. Good actors should be able to do Shakespeare and sitcom. And I agree, the big dramatic roles on screen are few and far between, and tend to go to other actors (naming no names!) I'm anxious to read what the unusually imaginative child has come up with.:-) (Mari) Intriguing (and how will he read this, as an adult or child?). I can think of innumerable examples of adult authors writing in the first person as an adolescent (Catcher in the Rye, Adrian Mole etc), but not in the first person as a child (as opposed to an adult looking back and writing in the first person of his/her childhood)

(Lassie) Colin's mother is the author of that scholarly book (it is basically her doctoral dissertation). How do you know this, Lassie? Do tell! (Mari) I'm anxious to read what the unusually imaginative child has come up with.:-) Me too! (Bethan) and how will he read this, as an adult or child?) Ooh, good question.

(Bethan) and how will he read this, as an adult or child?) (Eileen)Ooh, good question. I'm sure it will be charming.... I just don't want him to bring up that school in St. Louis again...

(Bethan) I can think of innumerable examples of adult authors writing in the first person as an adolescent (Catcher in the Rye, Adrian Mole etc), but not in the first person as a child (as opposed to an adult looking back and writing in the first person of his/her childhood) Ok, I've got one--the *only* one I could think of. Wait for it . . . "Singing Songs" by Meg Tilly. Published around '94 I think, written first person as a child, about living in an abusive household. Hmmm . . . Do we know for sure that CF is reading his own story on the audiotape? I got a notice from amazon that my book has been shipped; I didn't order the audio, figuring I'd wait to make sure he was reading.

(Bethan) I can think of innumerable examples of adult authors writing in the first person as an adolescent (Catcher in the Rye, Adrian Mole etc), but not in the first person as a child (as opposed to an adult looking back and writing in the first person of his/her childhood) Even excluding children's books and things like 'Great Expectations', where Pip begins as a child, I think this is a frequently attempted genre. Having said that, only 'Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha' by Roddy Doyle (1993 Booker prize) springs to mind.

Mari -Do we know for sure that CF is reading his own story on the audiotape? I've ordered the audio tape but according to Amazon it's got a release date of 7 December so unless anyone gets a sneak preview (or is in the know) we're going to have to wait a bit longer. ;-(

Mari -Do we know for sure that CF is reading his own story on the audiotape? Perhaps someone can ask him during the Q&A segment at the poetry reading.

Ladies, I do have some questions for the reading at the Italian Institute: 1) When you read a book for pleasure, do you find yourself more times than not, picking a specific character as a possible role? 2) When reading to an audience is it helpful to over do it a bit (over act), to set the scene? 3) Did you chose to read Sciacia or did Livia twist your arm to do it. (Just kidding) 4)What was the last book you have read for pleasure. (If he answers Armadillo hit him with: 5) Are you playing Milo in Armadillo? ;-) 6) Aside from Sciacia, is there another Italian author you enjoy reading? 7)Are you reading your own story on the audiotape of NHs book? 8) What inspired you to write it through a child's POV. 9) Do you have other stories locked away or was this your first one? 10) Will you be working in Carlos Saura's MoB? I hope he gives everyone a chance to ask questions, they usually do. We look forward to your reports. Have fun!

Just a little note: Last night on ABC TV's Once and Again (I'm a fan of The 30 Something guys), there was a "book lovers meet" evening in one character's book store. Voice-overs were naming favorite books, and out popped "Bridget Jones Diary.

Great questions, Moon! I guess this is more of a prose reading, isn't it? Oops. Leave it to me to get it wrong. :-( Mary,I heard that voiceover of BJD last night on Once and Again, too. I am also a fan of the 30 Something team.

I'm sure it will be charming.... I just don't want him to bring up that school in St. Louis again.. (Evelyn) LOL! Many a true word spoken... Maybe we'll get the tale of a young sensitive English lad, newly out of short trousers, with the grass still green on his knees, rudely transported from his rural primary school in Hampshire to a ghastly high school in St Louis, etcetera, etcetera :-) Mind you, I think the penny has dropped with him that he has gone on a tad too much about his schooldays! (His comment about his former headmaster writing to his parents to complain!) Good questions, Moon!

I see that Blackadder - Back and Forth will be released on PAL video on November 20 for �11.99 (preorder price at Blackstar) http://www.blackstar.co.uk/video/item/7000000059555

Shakespeare didn't make the cover...alas..

(Karen)Shakespeare didn't make the cover...alas.. Are you surprised? ;-) Love the Valmont cover, though, thank you Karen. Also, great questions you came up with Moon, hope somebody gets an answer to some of them. (BTW; have started reading Armadillo). Mari, thanks for posting Mickie's text. Must go and visit Murph's interactive page :-)

At the Telegraph, there are photographs from a gallery exhibit entitled, "On Set," which is on display at a London Gallery and is also in book form. These are behind the scenes pics taken during filming of British movies. You will see one of Stephen Fry in the car from Relative Values. Wonder if there are other shots from RV's filming at the art gallery or in the book? Anybody want to drop by and check? http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000576481449931&rtmo=asHXbwpL&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/00/10/26/bgsetp0.html There's also one showing a bunch of feet (identified as belonging to Sadie Frost) from the other "An Ideal Husband," the modern-day, Jonathan Firth version.

I shall try and pop in sometime this week.

The publisher's site has expanded its coverage of the book's release. There's info on the charity event, plus bio info (and pics) of the authors. Colin's is the same as on our main Drool page (albeit without his personal message to us - *hee hee*) but the funniest thing is the spelling. Hornby's intro is on the site, as well as the stories by Zadie Smith and Robert Harris. http://prod2.uk.penguin.com/static/packages/uk/articles/hornby/hornby.html

I don't want to get political here..but that's shocking that autistic children can't get adequate professional attention in a public school environment. Karen, under contributors, on my computer Colin's pic is deformed...yours too? and I couldn't find the misspelling... Does Penguin have a chat? Maybe Nick Hornby (and a special guest author) could get on sometime. (Dream on, E.)

I had to view the penguin site with Explorer. That happens when website developers are sloppy with their syntax. Netscape can't handle errors. You couldn't find the misspelling? It's there twice...under Colin and under Helen Fielding. And, Allison, looking forward to hearing your assessment of the exhibit.

Found it...Explorer is good for something. A pity it couldn't handle the misspelling ;-) LOL...Helen Fielding and I share the same obsession!!

Did Penguin ask your permission to use our picture? ;-)

I've just read Colin's story, entitled "The Department Of Nothing," and I think he's done a great job. It's funny, touching without being sappy, and he's fairly successful at capturing the voice of an 11-year old. Some of it is more mature than you'd expect from a boy that age, but I think that's a necessity to keep an adult reader interested. Reminded me a bit of Holden Caulfield from Catcher In The Rye, insofar as some of the expressions, attitude, and precociousness. Haven't read all the others yet, but of those I have, Hornby's is the best--a real winner. Anyway, big kudos to Colin for trying something different, and for coming through for a good cause.

I've just picked up my copy of the book from a local bookshop...very prompt, I only ordered it yesterday. They've ordered another dozen copies. I don't know if I'm repeating news, but Colin's story is called "The Department of Nothing", it's long (26 pages), and, IMHO, without any bias,it's very good. He *can* write. His story is much better than HF's ....the only other one I've read so far. He's very perceptive about children and also very funny. Well structured as well. Has anyone else had the chance to read it?

Mari, our posts overlapped. Funnily enough, I was also going to post the Holden Caulfield comparison (only I couldn't remember how to spell his name!)

Book arrived a few minutes ago (literally). Will try to read later today.

Thanks for the feedback on CF's short story, Bethan and Mari. My copy has not arrived yet. :-( I was hoping for a good story from him, as he is well read, articulate, and intelligent. (No bias on my part, of course.)

Great news! I hope to have my copy soon. A strange title. I wonder how it relates to the story. I am glad to hear that you liked it, Mari and Bethan. I am sure we will be discussing it soon. :-D

I've just read it again, and, without any reservations, I can say that he writes well and I would like to read more by him. I haven't read the other stories, except HF's, but I'm sure he more than holds his own. Not really spoilers......but I wouldn't say that CF isn't writing in the voice of a child, more a young adolescent. Henry is a very sparky, imaginative, observant eleven year old, who happens to like stories, and the comments he makes about his life, his family etc, are sometimes funny, sometimes quite profound. There's depth and humour to this story. There was an anti-racism/pro asylum seekers rally in London today, called "Hands around the Home Office", with a march to the Home Office. It's a continuation of the protest CF made, with others, in front of the Houses of Parliament, when they formed a human paper chain. The main thrust of the campaign is to protest against the way the media and some politicians are whipping up hatred of immigrants and provoking racist attacks. Links (hope they work) http://www.defend-asylum-seekers.freeserve.co.uk or http://www.ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aa_r/ Nick Hornby is one of the sponsors of the campaign.

Sorry.....double negative. Should be "I wouldn't say.....is writing"

I bought my copy of Speaking with the Angels" and have just finished "The Department of Nothing" having not been able to put it down. I would agree with you, Bethan, he certainly appears to have an affinity with children and puts this across with gusto. Henry's tale rushes on in a torrent of excitability, and whilst some of the language is perhaps more mature (definite echoes of FP's Paul here), the thought processes are very much that of a child...I love the idea of TTPUYL! The story within a story gives a happy contrast of styles and adds another dimension to the writing. In summary it's got humour, it's got pathos and if this(presumably) first shot is anything to go by I'd certainly want to read more.

I love the way the class bully is called Roy Hattersley! Made me laugh everytime. (For non-Brits, Roy Hattersley is a Labour politician, now retired, quite a non-threatening, amiable cove!)

Moon, the title "Department Of Nothing" refers to real life--the sort of distasteful and meaningless (to a kid) things we all have to do like go to school, eat veggies, etc. Evelyn, you'll be happy to hear that he doesn't complain about school too much (but has a funny name for his teacher:-) Have read most of the other stories, and there is quite a range of quality. Colin's is certainly one of the best, as is Nick's. Another good one is Robert Harris's PMQ--he is Nick's brother-in-law--very funny stuff. Irvine Welsh's and Patrick Marber's are predictably profane--yawn. Helen's, I'm sorry to say, is a disappointment.

We plan to start the AZ discussion on Thursday Nov. 9th at our CF film discussion topic. I hope you will all join us.

Have read Colin's story. Can't comment on whether the story captures an 11-year-old boy's POV accurately, as have no basis or foundation for such, but on several occasions it did strike me as expressing more mature thoughts. Was nicely done, all in all. Reminded me of Hornby's style. (heavy editing, perhaps??) Will read again, when eyelids not inclined to close. ;-D Have only read Robert Harris' thus far. It was a hoot. I remember reading an article in the newspaper about Nick's exwife's efforts on behalf of the school recently, but couldn't find it. Was sure it was in The Times (news in brief or similar). But here's another from The Telegraph you might find interesting: http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000576481449931&rtmo=psh1hpee&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/99/4/27/tldan27.html

If it wouldn't be too much of a spoiler, could one of you post a few choice quotes from Colin's story? I'd love to "see" a bit of his style. Robert Harris is one of my favorite authors. I can highly recommend Enigma and Archangel. Both literate thrillers, and great reads.

Murph, you can read Harris' story at the Penguin site, as is v. short: http://prod2.uk.penguin.com/static/packages/uk/articles/hornby/hornby2.html

Telegrah story v. interesting Karen...sounds a lot like Sarah and Paul ...

Reminded me of Hornby's style. (heavy editing, perhaps?? Oh, I'm sure it's all his own work! It's not so much in the style of Nick Hornby but in the style of contemporary first person young adolescent (which is a voice NH often uses) Some of the other stories have the same style. Robert Harris's story reads differently because he's adopted a different kind of persona. Can't comment on whether the story captures an 11-year-old boy's POV accurately, as have no basis or foundation for such, but on several occasions it did strike me as expressing more mature thoughts. I think he captures the POV very well, but there has to be that extra degree of maturity to give poignancy and substance to the narrative. Just been reading about the London Film Festival. I see that two other new British films which are being shown with DQ in the much less prestigious Birmingham fest have been selected for a West End screening in the London fest (one is a low budget comedy set in North London, about a man who can't commit to his girlfriend (yawn),the other is a twenty-something relationships drama, based on improvisation (yawn, yawn, Y-aw-n, snore). Was DQ actually submitted/turned down? If so, I give up totally on the British film industry (and so should CF!!!)

Was DQ actually submitted/turned down? If so, I give up totally on the British film industry (and so should CF!!!) Simmer down, Bethan;-) DQ was not submitted...I asked.Donna Franceschild said that at the time it was still in the hands of BBC. It's BBC that you and Colin should give up on. IMHO they continuously exploit him.

(Bethan) Oh, I'm sure it's all his own work! Did I imply otherwise? ;-D It just read like a younger version of Marcus from AAB, although Marcus isn't with it enough to come up with TTPUYL. The Cairo Film Festival has put up its 2000 site...finally! It starts tomorrow. Donovan Quick is in a category called Festival of Festivals, films which were shown at festivals over the past year. So it is NOT in competition. However, the site gives no further info on the film or even the date to be shown. The schedule link does not work yet. http://www.cairofilmfest.com/index.htm

We are really desperate for some news. The Cairo FF, does Colin write well, BBC or no BBC... Could someone in the UK just call his agent and ask about Armadillo? If filming is to start on Monday, he must be able to confirm it. Off to read ODBs story.

Hmmm, I swear I didn't lay out my 1st paragraph that way. Oh well.

Even though Heide did fix her tags in the next message, the itsy bitsy bold type was so difficult to read. So I am reposting Heide's message: Heide: I know the man doesn't live in a vacuum but I found it kind of funny to read references to Pokemon cards and Ricky Martin. Did I think he eschews (gesundheit) fame so much for himself that he's blissfully unaware of what's hot at the moment? Silly me. I can say that I'm not embarrassed for him in the slightest. He has some nice turns of phrases and imho thought he did very well with descriptions of the teacher and brother.

Doesn't he have a 9 year old son ? Having a kid probably means he is much more in tune with current fads and trends ( Pokemon etc) than he would be if he was just the O so serious actor ?

His son is probably 11 by now. I too was surprised to find the references to Pokemon cards and Ricky Martin. Loved his Walden Bridge. Lucien Lothair sounds so familiar I will have to ask my boys about that name. I LOL several times, which is more than I can say for NHs story which was clever but not funny. I have three boys, two are ages 9 and 11 and I found some of it was not very realistic. Henry was oftentimes too much like an adult. And in those cases, it was a bit forced. One thing he probably got from Will is Henry's repeated used of: "it's like", as many kids do today instead of just saying what it is. (That is something my boys have been warned against repeatedly). The fairy tale was so good, I wish he would have stuck to it. Of course, he would have lost the laughs. Maybe next time. :-D Bravo, Colin!

I asked.Donna Franceschild said that at the time it was still in the hands of BBC. It's BBC that you and Colin should give up on. IMHO they continuously exploit him. Now don't get me started on the Beeb! They really are TTPUYL! Colin's story will be one that reads very well out loud (Two different stories, different characters, some dialogue, humour.) On a more serious note, he captures a child's reaction to serious illness and dying, very well. I like the contemporary cultural references, although do Tintin and gobstoppers hark back more to his own childhood? Or perhaps Henry is a slightly old-fashioned child.

Heide: I know the man doesn't live in a vacuum but..... I too was struck by the contemporary refs - even Westlife & All Saints got a look in but would concede that, for all these, Henry is perhaps an 11 year old of another time. I found the characterisation of Max (Henry's 14 year old brother) to be spot on. I can remember two of my brothers at Max and Henry's ages interacting in exactly the same way, it was given that the eldest could knock seven kinds of nastiness out of the younger, woebetide anyone else who laid a finger on him. There were many phrases that I identified with.."pants" being the one which stood out, as in TTPUYL ("things that pants up your life"). I'm willing to admit that I have been known to go ever so slightly postal during where's my car keys (an irksome version of "where's my glasses"). To those who wonder what I'm rambling about then you haven't had the pleasure of reading ODB's meisterwerk yet...... blatantly!!

Is *blatantly* a word an 11 year old would know? How about *irksome*? A very smart 11 year old, a voracious reader, maybe.

(Lassie)Is *blatantly* a word an 11 year old would know? How about *irksome*? A very smart 11 year old, a voracious reader, maybe. Or maybe he learned them from his Gram:-) evelyn*who hasn't read it yet* Hey Lassie....I thought you would have given us your review by now;-))

(Tracy) There were many phrases that I identified with.."pants" being the one which stood out You identified with the "pants" thing, right? You'd never heard that expression before. Have read a few more (as I'm not a jumper-arounder) and have liked them all. Definitely recommend Melissa Banks' "Bridget dates a younger man" story, though Banks' didn't stretch on this one. Surprisingly, the "Last Requests" one I found v. well done and intriguing. ******* Another article on Hornby and the book (no mention of Colin) in The Scotsman (Nov 6, 2000) Living with Danny Nick Hornby enjoys the success that three best-selling books can bring. His novels are loved by readers and critics alike, prompting a pounds 2 million publishing contract and a film deal worth a similar amount for the rights to his third book. But all the literary success and acclaim cannot compare to the joy that Hornby feels when his only child, seven-year-old Danny, looks into his eyes and smiles. While most fathers would take such bonding for granted, Hornby can't. His son Danny is profoundly autistic, caught in his own private world and out of reach of even the simplest communication at times. "There are great frustrations in parenting Danny," says Hornby, "but then he will be very loving and affectionate and it's worth all the pain." Hornby is one of the most successful writers of his generation. His books Fever Pitch, High Fidelity and About a Boy continue to sell by the thousands. Although in control of his work, Hornby finds Danny's condition a source of much frustration. "It's inevitable that you feel everything's much more of a hassle than it is for anybody else," he admits. "Of course I resent it at times - you wish your life was easier." Hornby is divorced from Virginia Bovell, Danny's mother, their marriage having suffered under the strain of bringing up their autistic child. But they remain close. It was Virginia who helped found TreeHouse, a specialist school in London for autistic children where Danny has blossomed into a little boy who can hug his dad. Hornby knows that Danny will always suffer from this condition but he is doing what he can to make his life the best it can be. That includes using his contacts to persuade best-selling authors to contribute a short story for a book to raise funds for his son's school. The result is Speaking with the Angel, a compilation of one-offs from Roddy Doyle, Irvine Welsh and Zadie Smith, among others. A donation of Pounds 1 from each copy sold will go to the TreeHouse school. "I wanted to use my position to do whatever I could," says Hornby. "I do think a book like this is a good way of raising consciousness and money." Danny was a beautiful baby but a nagging suspicion that something was wrong haunted Hornby and his wife. Their son was wonderfully loving with them but withdrawn and indifferent to strangers, unable to connect with unfamiliar people or places. At 18 months old, he "crashed like a computer", in Hornby's words, and regressed. "There is a kind of long, slow dawning realisation that something is terribly amiss, during which time everyone tells you that there is nothing amiss," says Hornby. "Everyone tries to be supportive and says, 'Oh, Einstein didn't speak until he was five,' and all this sort of thing, but there's something I think that tells you that your child is not Einstein. You are torn between believing the worst and hoping for the best." Danny was eventually diagnosed autistic aged three. He was lucky. Some parents wait six or seven years before their fears are confirmed by the experts. "It feels like the worst nightmare for a parent," admits Hornby, speaking at his north London home. "Then you start to readjust and think of all the other things it could be. "Very quickly you start to adjust to the situation, trying to find out more about the condition and what can be done. Autism is a weird thing because actually the child doesn't need help, they don't want to be helped. They want to live in their own world and they don't want that world penetrated and part of the hard thing as a parent is knowing that you have to if he's going to make any progress at all. "It's not like Danny's suffering in any way, but you know on the other hand that you can't just let him twirl round and round in a room, or look at his hands - which is probably what he'd like to do if he was left to his own devices. "The burden is on the parents to do something about that, so you do end up feeling quite guilty if you're just too fed up or tired to stop it, but that is what you have to do." Hornby believes education has been vital for his son's progress. At TreeHouse, he is developing with a special educational therapy which sets attainable goals and helps him achieve them. Sadly, very few schools offer similar intensive help. At present, there are only 3,306 specialist places for the estimated 73,600 children with autistic problems. Many children are just not receiving the help they need. Hornby is passionate about his crusade to highlight the lack of provision. "There's no way the child can learn about the world if he won't look at it. All children learn by looking and copying and a child that won't look or won't copy, is going to remain stuck with the same skills. You have to break that cycle. "Danny is more sociable than he's ever been before. He loves his teachers and he has a friend Toby, who he loves, which is an incredible step forward. I would say it's 100 per cent down to the kind of education that he's getting. Governments are legally obliged to provide school places for children and that's not happening in the case of autism. I think there's a crisis in this particular area." Hornby is busy with his work. He is finishing his fourth book, How to Be Good, narrated by a woman whose husband has a spiritual conversion (it's due out next May), and he is working with Emma Thompson on a screenplay for a romantic comedy. But it won't stop him continuing to speak about Danny or all the other autistic children who remain trapped in their own little worlds. "I do think that I have a responsibility given my position to do what I can. Danny has this condition and I want to talk about the condition and what's not being done about it because I can see how much grief it causes other people. "Autism is so much a part of Danny's personality and character that you kind of learn to love the condition in the way that you love the child," says Nick Hornby. "It is him, all his quirks and rituals, it's hard to imagine him without them." Speaking With The Angel, edited by Nick Hornby (Penguin), Pounds 7.99 (Pounds 1 donation to TreeHouse) The unlucky 1 per cent One in 500 children in Britain is autistic, and the National Autistic Society estimates that the condition affects 91 people in every 10,000, almost one per cent of the population. Autism is usually diagnosed when the child is between 18 months and three years old, it is characterised by obsessive, repetitive behaviour and a strong resistance to change. Fear or frustration can cause severely challenging behaviour.

Lassie (Lassie) * Tue, Nov 7, 2000 (16:46) * 1 lines Is *blatantly* a word an 11 year old would know? How about *irksome*? A very smart 11 year old, a voracious reader, maybe. Topic 134 of 137 [drool]: Colin Firth (Part 8) Response 1159 of 1160: Evelyn (lafn) * Tue, Nov 7, 2000 (17:09) * 6 lines (Lassie)Is *blatantly* a word an 11 year old would know? How about *irksome*? A very smart 11 year old, a voracious reader, maybe. (Evelyn) Or maybe he learned them from his Gram:-) Wonderful points. Maybe "blatantly" and "irksome" were words the 11 year old Colin knew. He was the son of academics; so he probably grew up in a book filled household.

Just to say that the GUARDIAN today has a similar feature as the one so kindly reproduced for us by Karen from Scotsman. Guess the same old publicity needs to do the rounds! Again NO mention of ODB's contribution to the book. The end of the feature mentions the bash in the last week of November (tickets �15)where readings from the book feature. Remind me........! Did some far more alert drooler not say ODB does not feature in the programme of excerpts?

Here's a link to the Guardian's interview with Nick: http://www.booksunlimited.co.uk/departments/generalfiction/story/0,6000,394220,00.html Lizza, none of the publicity for the charity bash has mentioned Colin as attending. Insofar as the book is concerned...reread in between hourly/half hourly election projections. Quite a few of you know how "blantantly irksome" I found certain things. ;-D However, on reflection, I think those words are used very intentionally to show a boy, who learns new words from his grandmother each day and from doing crosswords, but doesn't use them exactly right. To me, they never seem to fit in with the rest of the narrative. Henry's recounting of his granny's story is another problem area for me. Storytelling is a gift. It has to be compelling and grab the reader. Perhaps, because it is "retold" through Henry, who may not have The Gift, that it doesn't for me. Perhaps it is because another author I admire does this so much better. Unfair comparison, I know. As Heide said, CF has acquitted himself well for a first effort.

Thanks for confirming that for me Karen. Also ENGLISH PATIENT is showing on C4 at 9pm on Sunday.

(Tracy) I'm willing to admit that I have been known to go ever so slightly postal during where's my car keys (an irksome version of "where's my glasses"). To those who wonder what I'm rambling about then you haven't had the pleasure of reading ODB's meisterwerk yet...... blatantly!! LOL, Tracy! The 'pants' expression was a new one on me. I know the word is generally used differently in the UK vs. the US but I'd not heard it used in the 'screw' or 'eff-up' sense. (Karen) Quite a few of you know how "blantantly irksome" I found certain things. Hee hee! ...I think those words are used very intentionally to show a boy, who learns new words from his grandmother each day and from doing crosswords, but doesn't use them exactly right. Good point about the crosswords. Felt that the word 'luminous' occurring to an 11-year old was a bit ludicrous. ;-) But overall thought it was a v. good story, v. creative. CF was spot-on about kids of this age and their bathroom humor ('bottom-cough'? I was LOL). (Karen) Perhaps it is because another author I admire does this so much better. What, you want 'The Fairy Melusina'? ;-D

Have just finished reading "The Dept. of Nothing"....sorry, Henry is not Holden Caulfield to me.Holden is far more coherent...older too, I think. Though I found the story OK..parts v. funny..esp "where's my glasses mum.. and the Evil Shed .The prose was awkward at times and confused me to visualize Henry...til I realized that he probably was mimicking his granma using her vocabulary ( no kid, no matter how much he reads will use those multi-syllable words), and perhaps the past generation popular tin tin books. If so, if the words had been in italics, then it would have alerted the reader that they were not Henry's words... As Heide said, CF has acquitted himself well for a first effort. Agree...but I wouldn't be too hasty in giving up his day-job...

Agree...but I wouldn't be too hasty in giving up his day-job... Speaking of his day job... ;-)

This is a reminder that we will start discussing Apartment Zero tomorrow at Topic 98, and look forward to all your comments.

(Karen) Perhaps it is because another author I admire does this so much better. (Eileen)What, you want 'The Fairy Melusina'? ;-D LOL...Incidentally, is the inscription above the door the author's attempt at poetry? It's sweet...esp.when the man with whom Emma has fallen in love asks her to dance and she thought" 'if the heart but hesitate" and she took his hand..." ~~~~~~```` (Ev)Agree...but I wouldn't be too hasty in giving up his day-job... (Moon)Speaking of his day job... ;-) You mean...."The Waiting Room of Nothing" ;-)

He's writing in the voice of a ten year old, not in his own voice. He recounts the fairy story as Henry would have remembered/told it (explaining what "garb" means, for example.) Henry doesn't quite recall the wording of the inscription, hence the repeated "something something". If CF told the story as himself, a 40 year old man, I'm sure it would be completely different in style. But the actual narrative also has to have a more mature perspective and vocabulary, if it is to hold the attention of an adult readership. To write convincingly in the first person as a child (as opposed to a 16-17 year old )is very difficult. (It would have been much easier to write in the third person.) I think he's caught the tone very well.

Due to weather, flooding, Rail Track and transport problems we now have spare tickets for the reading at the Italian Institute this Sunday so if anyone would like to go just let me know.

(Evelyn) You mean...."The Waiting Room of Nothing" ;-) *snort* How apropos. Hope the waiting room session is ending soon.

...He's writing in the voice of a ten year old, not in his own voice... ......If CF told the story as himself, a 40 year old man, I'm sure it would be completely different in style. Thank you, Bethan . I think we all realize that. And moreover, we all are v. complimentary of the story as a first-time author.

(Evelyn) You mean...."The Waiting Room of Nothing" ;-) Now we know the real meaning behind the title. ;-) (Eileen), *snort* How apropos. Hope the waiting room session is ending soon. And if it does, I doubt that that he would want us to know about it. ;-)

The programme for the 16th Birmingham Film and TV Festival arrived today and as Aishling has already said DQ is being shown at 3pm on Sunday 19th November, at the Midland Arts Centre. (Nothing is ever simple when trying to see a CF film, instead of being screened just up the road from where we are staying at the Odean, where some films are showing, it is 6 miles out of Birmingham, oh well, just hope it stops raining, I am sure it will be worth it though!!)

What is 6 miles of good road?

(Lassie)What is 6 miles of good road? Not much, unless it's flooded... (Karen)...reread in between hourly/half hourly election projections. Ha! Knew you would be watching those ;-)

(Gi) Ha! Knew you would be watching those ;-) She's not alone. Now back to my prayer vigil...;-)

(Ann) Nothing is ever simple when trying to see a CF film Ain't it the truth! ;-D Maybe the sun will come out by this weekend for you. Fingers crossed for both you and Aishling. BTW, many films are showing at the MAC, so DQ hasn't been singled out for exile. The MAC website says it is 2 miles from city centre: http://www.birminghamarts.org.uk/mac.html

I too received my Film festival prog this morning, not much blurb on DQ but then it is a very small programme. Whether I make it is v much dependent upon whether: A) We have another fuel crisis, B) We have more flooding C) We have trains travelling at 00.1mph (as they seem to be doing at the moment!) As I've been spending more time on the train lately ;-( I got to read all of the tales in Speaking with the Angel. All had their merits - NippleJesus (NH) and Dave Eggers' efforts stand out as those that I would recommend. To say that I enjoyed Catholic Guilt (You Know You Love It) - Irvine Welsh is probably going a bit far, his style is so 'in your face', but the story itself with the clever twisty ending certainly had me thinking! (Ev)Agree...but I wouldn't be too hasty in giving up his day-job... (Moon)Speaking of his day job... ;-) (Ev)You mean...."The Waiting Room of Nothing" ;-) LOL! How cutting, but oh so sadly true!

Ann, MAC is very near the city centre. We spent about 18 months in the Birmingham area, and I have vague memories of Cannon Hill Park. It's in Edgbaston, certainly under 2 miles from the centre. "The Waiting Room of Nothing" ;-) Ah, chin up! We've got the videos of RV and MLSF in just over two weeks in the UK! (Amazingly, MLSF was filmed three and a half years ago!!) And theyll start prompting BJD soon. And hopefully he'll answer questions at the Institute!

and he is supposed to be starting filming on something this coming Monday, fingers crossed that it is Armadillo, when oh when are A&E going to confirm it!! It is so frustrating. Thanks Karen and Bethan, I am glad to hear it is only 2 miles from the City Centre, I was told 6 miles anda 15mins bus ride. As Tracey says I too am keeping my fingers crossed on all of the above, I hope we can report back that all has been fine and are as enthusiatic as Karen at seeing DQ on the big screen.

(Ann W.)I hope we can report back that all has been fine and are as enthusiatic as Karen at seeing DQ on the big screen. (Bethan)And hopefully he'll answer questions at the Institute! I shall be honoured to lend my Colin Firth tee shirt to anyone going to the Birmingham FF or the Italian Institute. Besides making a fashion statement , you'll really stand out during the Q&A ;-))

Ann, did you know that David Blair is listed as Director/Speaker for DQ? So should be available for questions. http://www.birminghamarts.org.uk/mac.html Click on current events. Scroll down to November 19. I'd love to know why the BBC aren't promoting DQ. And when it will be more accessible (TV or Big Screen)

Thanks Bethan, although I can't promise to ask any questions, I am a bit of a coward when it comes to asking questions in public.

I shall be honoured to lend my Colin Firth tee shirt to anyone going to the Birmingham FF Pfffffttt! ;-D Hey, don't give anyone any ideas...

Where is everyone? Isn't the reading tomorrow? I've been lurking for almost a year now after briefly introducing myself, and now a lack of drool has forced me to de-lurk again. I am happy to report that I have that Lifetime movie channel, so I will be able to watch SLOW on Monday (but unable to tape, as my VCR is not working). Also by happy circumstance I was browsing my channels last month, noticed I had STARZ, and that RV was on THAT NIGHT!!!! I rather enjoyed it for the campy comedy it was, and HE got quite a lot of screen time, although, admittedly, not as many lines. Ah, well, I shall check back tomorrow.

Welcome Noelle, yes the Reading is today and I can't wait to hear all about it and whether or not someone has found out what he is filuning on Monday. What a dearth of Firth, it is about time we had some really meaty news.

Nice to see you delurk again, Noelle. Lack of news can be frustrating, but we will hear about the reading later today. I think the ladies are going out afterward, so there could be a delay in posting their impressions. Too bad about the VCR and what bad timing, with both RV and SLOW being shown, but like you, I enjoyed Colin's part in RV. He does some absolutely great, OTT acting. One of my favorite bits has got to be when Miranda comes into the drawing room before dinner and is going on about waking up in a different world. Colin is mimicing (spelling looks v. wrong) her behind her back. Is too funny.

Carrying on behind Miranda's back! I agree! The funniest bit!

Nice to have you back, Noelle.RV is fastly becoming one of my favorites...he's getting better at this comedy bit.I like the part that he answers the telephone from Lord Marshwood.."knew you had the king...". Then later...Oh I wanted to say good-bye" (With the limp wrist!). Of course the "Bogie" part is still #1.

I agree with you, Karen, about the fantastic OTT acting. Some others might have thought it too much, but we knew what he was doing, and what he is capable of. I didn't know how I would handle him playing "family", but actually, that could be quite overlooked in most of the scenes, and one could kinda pretend he was just a "foppish English gentleman". I thought he was spot on in every scene, and I know a few guys like him (unfortunately, not any that look like him, but as they would be gay, perhaps that's a good thing!). On to other things. I just discovered to my joy that my mother has a copy of "Camille", which I promptly requisitioned. I know some of you (all?) don't like it, but I haven't seen it yet, and didn't think I could get a copy, and right now, any new (meaning I haven't seen it yet)CF movie is a blessing to me. My collection has really grown lately, especially with the addition of 7 movies which I have recently acquired, then promptly sat down and watched in a film festival, from earliest on. Now, I am off to watch "Camille". Thank God for gray Sundays.

Have gotten an early report from the reading; seems that Colin is doing a film with Ken Branagh, set in Nazi Germany. Found this at a Branagh fansite; seems like it fits the bill. Maybe our ladies who went to the reading will have more info: "After Rabbit Proof Fence, Ken will film HBO's Conspiracy , the true story of a secret meeting of the Third Reich at Wannsee in 1942 where the "Final Solution" for the extermination of the Jews was drafted. He will star with Stanley Tucci as Reinhard Heydrich, the second-in-command to Heinrich Himmler and the boss of Adolf Eichmann (Tucci)."

Mari you got there first! Yes this is what I have deduced from what I heard at the reading. He dashed off as soon as he had finished the actual reading without waiting for a question and answer session or to join us for drinks upstairs. One of our number asked Livia where he was and she said he had had to go to the filming. The personal filming the reading had already told us some rough details about the film he is now shooting but not the part Colin is playing nor the title of the film. The only clue was it starred KB - hence I came to the same conclusion as Mari. The reading was good but we were all disappointed not to have a chance to talk to Colin, take photos or get any autographs. He read four pieces from selected Italian authors. The second one was particularly good. I'm afraid I cannot give more details as I was unable to catch the names of the authors or the pieces except there was an extract from The Leopard. I hope one of the others is more familiar with the Italian names and can fill in the gaps.

Noelle, sounds like quite a filmfest you're having. Since you do get all those obscure cable channels, Camille is being shown on it all the time plus that version has much better color than the commercial copy, which had additional scenes deleted. Thanks for the news, Mari. I remember seeing the project being announced and thinking about KB being on television. Poor guy isn't doing very well on the big screen these days. Anyway, here's the article from the Hollywood Reporter: Branagh, Tucci join 'Conspiracy' (Sept. 14, 2000) by Cathy Dunkley Kenneth Branagh and Stanley Tucci have signed on to star in HBO Films' "Conspiracy," expected to start shooting in Europe in the fall. The project, to be directed by Frank Pierson and written by Loring Mandel, chronicles the secret meeting in 1942 of the Third Reich at Wannsee, where Hitler and his senior advisers drew up plans for the Final Solution for the extermination of the Jews. The project will be produced by Nick Gillott and executive produced by Pierson, Peter Zinner and Frank Doelger, a former HBO executive who now serves as a consultant to the company. Branagh, whose participation marks a departure for the actor who is usually featured on film, will play the role of Reinhard Heydrich, the second in command to Heinrich Himmler and the boss of Adolf Eichmann, who will be played by Tucci. *********** Then Ananova had an item based on the same info: Kenneth Branagh to play Hitler henchman Kenneth Branagh is to play one of Hitler's henchmen in a new film made for American television called Conspiracy. The �3 million HBO production, directed by Frank Pierson and written by Loring Mandel, will begin filming shortly in France and Germany. The story chronicles the secret 1942 meeting of senior Third Reich officials at which Hitler authorised the drawing up of the Final Solution extermination plan to murder Europe's Jews. Branagh has agreed to play Reinhard Heydrich, Hitler's favourite before he was assassinated by Czech patriots in Prague, while Adolf Eichmann, who was snatched and executed after the Second World War, will be played by American star Stanley Tucci. An associate of Branagh said: "This may seem a little off the wall for Ken but it is a fascinating period in history and outside the scope of his normal work. He liked the challenge."

Thanks for the reports, and the follow-up information! But does this mean he's already done "Armadillo"?

Wot, no Armadillo, I have just bought the book, and I must say I like the sound of Amadillo better than this, oh well I guess Colin knows what he is doing, well let's hope so. I must say though it is slightly disappointing!!

The more I think about it the more I can see James Frain as Lorimer, perhaps Colin gave up "A" for "C".(I am really sorry about this!!

Question, are we likely to get to see an HBO film here on UK TV?

(Noelle)..I just discovered to my joy that my mother has a copy of "Camille", ....I know some of you (all?) don't like it Some of us do, Noelle.It was one of his early films and he looks v. boyish. Terrific cast...you'll enjoy it as an early work. Thanks Mari and Jennie for the update on the Italian reading. And Karen for the instant archival articles on "Conspiracy". Sounds like a good break for Colin. HBO has gotten several Emmys in the past for their outstanding productions.The film will be critically reviewed because it's KB first original film for US TV. HBO also does extensive media publicity for their original productions. I'm for it...sure beats another BBC number that is apt to sit on a shelf!

Amen!

Maybe, but I am not convinced.

Thanks for the reports and instant updates on "Conspiracy"! Ann, Re."Armadillo", my thought are thus (may be wrong!) I would think this is a new project, in addition to "Armadillo", which I hope he's completed or is about to start. He obviously was working on the KB film today (ie he's already shooting it)so it's not something he's atarting on Monday. �3million isn't a huge budget (less than RV and SLOW, probably less than "Armadillo"), so I shouldn't think this wil be an immensely long action "war movie". It's probably a "talk" movie, more intellectually and morally critical, with a good screenplay. The full deliberations of the Wannsee meeting to discuss the Anti-Semite "Final Solution" for removing the Jews from Europe are on the Net, plus a list of participants in the meeting. If KB and Stanley Tucci are the leads, CF must be playing one of the other participants,probably a member of the SS, certainly a supporter of the Third Reich. This film has to be an anti-racist statement, otherwise I can't see why it would be made, or why actors like Tucci, Branagh and CF himself would want to be involved I can't see him giving up a lead role in "Armadillo" , for what is probably a supporting (but very different and challenging) role in Conspiracy", and would hope he's doing both. Despite the fact that I got so worked up about James Frain "starring" in "Armadillo", I can't see how JF could play Lorimer. He doesn't look English enough...the whole point of Lorimer is that despite his background, he passes easily for an English -or Scottish- gentleman and is a cameleon. James Frain tends to play (for want of a better word!)"foreigners"...East/Southern Europeans. Just my humble opinion! Jennie, what was his hair like (short back and sides?). That could give a clue as to the role.

Wannsee meeting and list of attendees http://motlc.weisenthal.com/text/x34/xm3417.html

I don't think he gave up Armadillo and didn't say so....I think Armadillo is in the can.This is a new role....but still a better choice than a "going no-where lottery or BBC film" BTW These are the same folks who brought you Hostages....

Sorry, it was my thoughts that perhaps he had given up on Armadillo, what with all the prevaricating by A&E when Mari telephoned, and then the news of James Frain and the fact that is has not been confirmed by A&E (Variety), I just felt that he must have dropped out of the Armadillo project and to be honest we still don't know for sure that he is connected with it. Oh well, never mind I am sure this will be good and if it is half as good as Hostages then there is nothing to worry about. I just can't get excited about a drama about Nazis discussing what they are going to do with the Jews (very simplistic I know) but there it is. I will say no more.

Jennie, thanks for your report. It's a good thing you ladies thought to ask the person filming the reading about what CF was up to, or we'd have no clue about this next project. Good, resourceful sleuthing! Any other details you can share about the reading? Colin's attire, hair, mood, any in-between intros of the material? Length of his reading, size of crowd, how close were you able to get, was it mostly CF fans? Was Livia by herself? Livia's attire, hair, and degree of pregnancy or lack thereof? (See, I always go for the important info! LOL!) Ann, my hunch (and my hope) is that they just haven't gotten their act together yet on Armadillo, so maybe he is doing Conspiracy in-between. I loved Armadillo, and have gotten so used to thinking of CF as Lorimer/Milo that I would be disappointed if he wasn't doing it. But I still think he is. Also, one of the Branagh sites says Ken is currently in Berlin filming Conspiracy, and that filming is expected to wrap on December 8.

It is possible that he is filming his scenes from Conspiracy quickly so that hw can return to do Armidillo.

Report from the set...Chicago-style At this very minute, Mike Binder is a block away filming some scenes for his HBO pilot. (It's on the same block where Mel Gibson was, btw) Am hoping to talk to him and will go back in a bit. Back to the reading...I echo Mari's comments. Any more delicious details? On Conspiracy, there are lots of possibilities as to what Colin would be playing. I think some of the historical background sites said there were 15 men in the room. Also, since it isn't based on any specific book, Colin could even be a British government official. We will have to wait. HBO's productions are big deals. Stanley Tucci has been nominated for a couple of Emmy's I think for HBO work (Winchell) (AnnW) I just can't get excited about a drama about Nazis discussing what they are going to do with the Jews Doesn't exactly make me jump for joy either, but think back to Ralph F and his career making role. :-)

Check out imdb.com for a movie called Wannseekonferenz directed by Heinz Schirk. It was made in 1984 for German TV and recreated the Wannsee Conference (15 men sitting round a table). It was shown in the US (English subtitles) and gets brilliant reviews. Gives you an indication of what the KB/ST/CF movie could be like. Go to it, Karen!

Bethan's link to the "text" didn't work, so here's the page before: http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t083/t08339.html Ladies who attended the Reading! I have a question. Did Colin look "fit"? Any indication he's kept up his routine and those six-pack abs? Inquiring minds have to know. ;-D

Thank you Bethan and Karen....fascinating reading. By the film reviews, I would think Colin would play Heinrich Muller the head of the Gestapo, KB, Eichmann, and ST, Heydrich. 85 minutes, perfect for TV docu-drama. Won award at Chicago FF in 1988!! Sounds like a winner...

THR said Branagh will play Reinhard Heydrich and Tucci will play Adolf Eichmann.

Will try and answer your questions this evening but am dashing up to Town now. However, I did e mail the Institute regarding the choice of subject and this is their reply: "As for the choice of the extracts to be read, this is normally made by the Director himself. Then the actor of course has his say: in Colin's case, he was meant at the beginning to read only from Sciascia, then he considered Pirandello and finally opted for a selection of Sicilian authors. The themes, the feelings expressed and the way to express them have been entirely up to him.

Nothing new or exciting from the Binder boys. Spoke to Jack, who said "it takes a long time" (or similar) in response to a question about all of rest of us seeing Londinium. Doesn't sound v. hopeful to me. BTW, the actress who is playing Mikey's wife in the series is English. Crew member looked it up and said her name is Donna Barnes (long blonde hair with dark roots). Dialogue concerned Mikey's "wanking" (I kid you not!) and how inappropriate she thought it was for him, a married man with a child. Something about his looking about pictures of v. young things with tight little... *shaking head*

Thanks to Jennie, Mari, Karen et.al for this new (*at last*) information. Am also surprised to read of Conspiracy. I agree with Evelyn and Karen--HBO productions are usually v. well done and well publicized. IMO more Americans will see this than Armadillo (but I also still hope he does that one). Good to see you de-lurk, Noelle. How'd you like Camille? *cough cough* *cue the violins* (Karen) Something about his looking about pictures of v. young things with tight little... *shaking head* Hee hee! 'Mikey-one-note' strikes again.

Oh, are you all going to love this. I just called HBO to ask about Conspiracy. They had no cast info beyond Branagh and Tucci, but they did tell me that HBO is co-producing with (wait for it;-). . . our friends at . . . BBC Films! Ta-da!:-) It is scheduled to air in the U.S. in April, 2001. Am very glad for our UK folks, as I'm not sure to what extent HBO films are sold abroad. I can only second what others have written about the quality of HBO films--they have won the Emmy for best TV film for the last 7 or 8 years running. Their original films are always high quality, and IMO, they have put our commercial networks here to shame.

(Karen) Spoke to Jack, who said "it takes a long time" Geez, Jack, it's a movie, not a presidential election.;-) Thanks for trying, K. Karen, what does Jack B. look like? I have a mental picture, based on the phone voice.;-) Bethan, thanks for the imdb info on Wannseekonferenz. I see it's available in NTSC. A vid store near me has a big foreign language section; will check if by some slim chance they carry. I am glad to see Colin getting back to serious drama. This sounds like it could be a very taut piece and a real showcase for the actors, ala 12 Angry Men (insofar as the claustrophobic setting and full reliance on the actors to tell the tale).

what does Jack B. look like? I have a mental picture Please transmit. April 2001!! How nice. I would've thought it was for next fall. (Mari) 12 Angry Men (insofar as the claustrophobic setting and full reliance on the actors to tell the tale). Ahem, Wannsee was a lovely resort villa. Expect to see them eating torten drinking caffe.

April 2001...HBO doesn't let them sit around for long....(BBC Films...take note...)and then they'll probably sell it to the History Channel like they did with "Hostages"...they show it periodically. "Conspiracy" will live in their archives forevah!!At last...a real stretch for Colin.Though he's never a v. convincing "baddie" to me... Thanks Mari. Karen...I'm waiting for the Conspiracy page;-)....*twiddling fingers*

Karen...I'm waiting for the Conspiracy page;-)....* At the rate we are going without confirmation of his projects, you should do a *Grapeline* section and put Armadillo there. ;-)

Suggest people read the text account of the Wannsee conference that Bethan posted. It lasted about an hour and half and was not a deliberation of whether to accept the Final Solution. Rather, it was an implementation meeting, discussing problems, methods, classifications, technicalities, to accomplish. The Wiesenthal Center's info comes from the "Encyclopedia of the Holocaust" which has based its account from such sources as Eichmann's trial. Of course, some people may question its sources and reliability. That is their prerogative.

As promised will try and answer Mari's questions. Colin was dressed in dark grey trousers with a black shirt over a black tee shirt. His hair was cut very short at the back but was still curly on top but with no sideburns, and he was clean shaven but looking very pale which was emphasised by the black attire. His mood was very serious, in keeping with the readings. Before he appeared on stage a member of staff from the Institute introduced the items he would be reading. He then appeared through a side door, walked onto the stage smiled slightly and launched straight into the first extract. The lights were dimmed with just spotlights focused on him. These highlighted the planes on his face. He certainly appeared much thinner in his face so I would think has not put on any of the weight he lost. Looked tired but fit. The reading lasted for about an hour and I estimated that there were about 100 people present - virtually a full house. Not all Colin's fans as there were quite a number of Italians. We were sitting about 6 rows from the front and I had an excellent view of Colin. After reading the last piece he bowed briefly to the audience and then disappeared off stage while we were still applauding. Livia was wearing black trousers and sweater with a leopard print jerkin over. She was also wearing her glasses and if anything looked thinner than ever. Hope I covered all the questions.

Livia was wearing black trousers and sweater with a leopard print jerkin over. She was also wearing her glasses and if anything looked thinner than ever. Is it even possible to look thinner than she already does? Colin hasn't been a v. attentive hubby, I must say...

Well...it could be just the opposite...

Thanks, Jennie! When he read did he gesticulate? Did he hold the book in front of him or on his lap? Did he entice audience participation, did he pause for laughs? Did anyone ask Livia about Armadillo? What type of glasses was she wearing, big, small, tinted? She was also wearing her glasses and if anything looked thinner than ever. This is a typical modern Italian woman. Slightly anorexic, who smokes between courses to hold her appetite. They can never be too thin.

They had no cast info beyond Branagh and Tucci, but they did tell me that HBO is co-producing with (wait for it;-). . .our friends at . . . BBC Films! Ta-da!:-) It is scheduled to air in the U.S. in April, 2001. (Mari) Now that's what I like...a real date! You'll have a good month in the US...BJD and Conspiracy...quite a role stretch! And as it's the BBC (huh!), well we will see it, eventually, some time (2002?), which is good news. I think that this is definitely the sort of production he should be going for...serious heavyweight drama, and the absolute guarantee that it will be promoted and seen, especilaly in the US. The DQ/small films saga and the way our reviewers seem to think he's miscast/can't act if he does anything other than stride round Pemberley has made less than enthusiastic about the UK "market"! By the film reviews, I would think Colin would play Heinrich Muller the head of the Gestapo, (Evelyn) I would agree...seems like the next major role. Thanks very much for your reports Jennie! It's always nice to get a first hand account. Was there any theme to the readings? Do you think there'll be any audiorecordings for sale...it seems a shame that it is literally a one-off performance. I would have thought the Institute might have got Radio3 or 4 interested in making a recording, especially as Judi Dench is also reading. As he's very pale and still way too thin, he sounds as though he's been working very hard , not sunning himself in Umbria! I would guess that he agreed to the Italian reading thinking that he had a "window" but then perhaps the "Conspiracy" project came up and he had to reschedule dates. Nothing new or exciting from the Binder boys. Spoke to Jack, who said "it takes a long time" (or similar) in response to a question about all of rest of us seeing Londinium. Doesn't sound v. hopeful to me. Thanks for trying Karen. Maybe it will go to video. Would definitely like to see CF and Irene Jacob together. Wonder why they didn't screen in the UK...have they given up on the UK market? (wouldn't blame them). Our local Blockbusters has a copy of "The Sex Monster" though (with ghastly cover)!! BTW I think they should change the title of "Londinium"...sounds like a historical documentary not a movie.

sorry...where did all that space come from?

(Moon) did he gesticulate? Moon! *Keep it clean* fergodsake!;-);-) Jennie, thanks again for the wonderful summary. Sounds like the hair (short sides and back, no sideburns) fits the new role in Conspiracy. (I hope they change the title, BTW; so many films have had that word in the title). Was looking back at my scribbled notes from talking with the HBO lady; forgot to mention that she said the film would be based on actual notes from the Wannsee meeting. Also, I see from the imdb that the Conspiracy director, Frank Pierson, also directed "Truman" with Gary Sinise a few years back--not sure what network that was produced for, but it was wonderful and got lots of accolades. I have to admit, though--I *still* much prefer big screen projects. They get far more publicity than TV, at least here. Karen, here's my Jack guess: taller than Mikey (and yes, I realize that fits about 98% of the adult male population, including Billy Barty;-). About 5' 8" or 5' 9". Slightly above average weight. Late '30s. Dark brown hair, curly, wears glasses. Sort of cute in a semi-nerdy way.:-)

(Mari) I hope they change the title, BTW; so many films have had that word in the title. I agree. Makes it sound like these guys got together to overthrow something. I think Sinese's Truman was HBO as well. (HBO lady) the film would be based on actual notes from the Wannsee meeting. They are all on the web...bring on the brandy. (Mari) here's my Jack guess Not bad. A little too tall (5'6" at best; could be wearing platform shoes) and no glasses.

See a few more questions have been asked so will do my best Bethan asks if there was any theme to the readings. We all thought the theme was "death" so definitely no opportunity for audience participation or laughs. The whole reading was very sombre and his demeanour was very serious. They did make a video recording but this is not going to be available to purchase due to copyright ruling. However, it will be available for viewing at the Institute. (I suppose we will now have an influx of eager fans wanting to view!!!!!!) BTW Judi Dench is not now reading due to filming commitments. Elizabeth McGovern is reading in her place and this reading has been brought forward to Saturday, 25th November. With regard to the actual reading Colin alternated between sitting in a chair holding the book and standing, reading from a lectern. Moon asked about Livia's glasses - these were narrow with dark frames.

A FoF called Colin's agent and got the following information: Colin is filming Conspiracy and he is playing the part of Dr Stuckart, Secretary of State of the Reich Ministery for the Interior

Thank you, Vera. Stuckart was a lawyer, constititional expert, party man. Drafted the Nuremberg Laws. One site called him caustic and bombastic.

Thank you Jennie and Vera....great info... (Karen)...One site called him caustic and bombastic. I'm encouraged...If you have to get a supporting role, it's best to make noise...beats being a potted palm!!

I hate posting this....believe me... But I have just been informed by James Frain's agent that.. "He is to play the *lead role* in Armadillo".

Rats, damn and blast

Incredible :-( FYI, the Conspiracy page is up. Has links to a few sites with background info.

Dr. Stuckart, eh! Why do I picture Peter Sellers now -- and his uncontrollable arm??? On Another topic: A fan of Russell Crowe sent me information on this hilarious site today. It is brand new to me, but I did a search for Colin, and he is "tradeable" there. http://dynamic.movies.hsx.com/dynamic.nd/hsx/pgDetailEnt?symbol=CFIRT It is all free, and all a lot of fun -- if you understand the market at all, which I don't. Murph

Oh, Evelyn, what a bummer! I suppose we'll never know the real reason why, but that won't stop us from speculating.;-) v.v. disappointing. Karen, the Conspiracy page looks good; great resource. He really looks wan in that pic; I can see where he could easily morph into the chilling portrayal that will undoubtedly be needed for C.

I knew I was tempting providence when I bought the book, as you say what a bummer, Conspiracy with Armadillo would have been okay but not "instead" of, I am so very disappointed. Surely he can't have turned it down, can he!! what is he thinking of. On something competely different I am also worried about the fact that Jennie says he looks tired and so very thin, he can't be overdoing it workwise so why is it, do you think, only speculating, don't really want an answer. Anyway, thanks Evelyn, for telephoning at least we know now. Did they say when filming on "A" is to start, perhaps it clashed with Conspiracy and he chose to do "C".

Karen, I have just been to your Conspiracy page,is this a new photo and where is it from, he looks dreadful, gaunt and pale and thin, what on earth was wrong with his Mr.Darcy look, at least he looked healthy!! Oh dear I feel so depressed.

I think he looks as if he need some TLC, I volunteer, and I think he needs an adviser on his projects, unless of course, ODB did lose out to JF in which case I am sorry for him, but this Dr. S sounds a very unsympathetic character whereas I really liked Lorimer Black, oh well just as well I also like JF. Think I will go and watch the last episode of Morse to cheer myself up, no that's not quite right as he dies and it is the very last one, but you know what I mean, it is an excellent series.

(Evelyn) I hate posting this We know, Ev, but thanks. At least we *finally* have an answer about this project. Guess this time the phrase 'starring in' really meant 'starring'. Phooey. :-( Ah, well, things happen for a reason. Not that we know what the reason is...at least Conspiracy is a 'go'--could you imagine how disappointed we'd be otherwise? But wait 'til Bethan reads this news. (Ann) I knew I was tempting providence when I bought the book You can put it on your shelf next to the Flashman books. ;-) (Mari) I realize that fits about 98% of the adult male population, including Billy Barty;-). LOL! Too cruel!

But wait 'til Bethan reads this news. Brought tears to my eyes, literally! But I'm resilient and I always prefer certainty to speculation. Thanks for taking the initiiative, Evelyn! To be honest, I've had a bad feeling about this ever since I read about James Frain, and despite my arguments to the contrary, I could see JF in the role (is there something unlucky about the initials JF?!!) Now, just to show how quickly I can change my tune, and argue for the opposition, I have to say that although I loved the book and thought Lorimer was very sweet, I did wonder whether CF had outgrown this type of role....rather disingenuous, a bit fey, lovesick, being sprayed in the supermarket etc, bullied by Hogg. Probably 30 rather than 40. I think he's reached the stage of doing roles with more authority. Mark Darcy is okay...late thirties, divorced, successful. Can also (sorry, I know !'m in the minority here!:-)) see him playing John Hatfield/Hope. And speaking of MOB, I found an up-to-date site listing current productions in development in Hollywood. MOB was listed (screenplay R.Khoury) and the studio/producer was given as United Artists/Tribeca (Robert de Niro's company?). Is this good? Also the Film Development Corporation in the UK are involved. Mind you, after Flashman, Armadillo, shouldn't even think about it! Not a good track record (Thank God he did BJD!) Thanks for the further info, Jennie. Theme of death...oh dear, he's not exactly a barrel of laughs at the moment, is he...maybe the mood of "Conspiracy" has affected him! The photo looks as though he's in character for Stockart..stern.

"ANY PORT IN A STORM DEPT" MOB United Artists/Tribeca (Robert de Niro's company?). Karen/Mari...isn't Tribeca the company that Robert de Niro founded with Harvey? I agree that the picture fits the part of Herr Stuckart...didn't he once say that when he takes on a role he becomes immsersed in it and Livia says "it's like living with two different people"..? Great page, Karen...

Hello to all! I'm new to drool but not to drooling since I have been a Colin Firth fan for a while. I appreciate your comments, news and info on all things Colin. I will be reading and will post if I ever have anything to add. Thanks for all you do.

Thanks, Jennie, Vera and Evelyn. It is sad that Colin will not star in Armadillo. He does not seem to be offered lead roles. Maybe he is playing Torquil, who is older than Milo and is not a small part? Vera, can your FOF friend call his agent and ask about Armadillo. Murph, what exactly is that site? I am off to check the Conspiracy page.

Welcome to our merry party, Caribou!

Bethan, I guess I won't be buying MOB, don't want to add it to the bokshelf eh Eileen. Welcome Caribou.

Moon, we don't know that he wasn't offered the lead role, it could be that he turned it down for some reason or another or that he preferred to do Conspiracy, though for the life of me I cannot see why!!

From Baz Bambigboye - Daily Mail (February 11, 2000) A Dark Time for Mr Darcy Colin Firth has signed up to work with the woman who helped make him a heart-throb. The actor, whose portrayal of the dangerously handsome Mr Darcy in P&P made him a household name, will collaborate with its award winning producer Sue Birtwistle, on a new TW drama. No tight breeches or coy glimpses of bare shoulder in this one though. This time Firth will play author William Boyd's modern-day literary here, Lorimer Black, an insurance adjuster from his novel Armadillo. Colin agreed to do this at a very early stage and it's perfect for him, Ms Birtwistle told me. Boyd is adapting his tale for the screen with filming beginning in the summer. The above is from Karen's Armadillo page. It makes one wonder what happened? Baz reported this. Is this supposed to mean nothing? It does not make sense.

Ann, I hear you but it does not make sense. This sounds like something went on behind the scenes to get JF to play the lead. Maybe Sue had to convince too many people Colin was right for the role and it did not go his way. He would not take second best on a project he had been helping Boyd with. This might be what happened. Somebody get me a martini!

I want to apologize for my rather flippant comment on Colin's new role posted earlier. It is a serious topic for a film, and one that needs to be told over and over so that none of us ever forget the horrors of the holocaust. Karen, your page is so interesting. Still, with all that, I too am disappointed about Armadillo. Another supporting role is not what I had hoped would come after BJD. But, there is still "world enough and time" for other possibilities.

and one for me and I don't drink!!! It is really strange why only weeks ago Mari came back (from her first phone call with A&E) and said we would be pleased with the casting and now this, I guess we will never know.

It's clear that something fell apart between my first call to A&E (when they were so upbeat and chatty about CF's involvement, yes, Firth fans will be happy with the press release) and the second in which they totally backpedaled and stonewalled and said they were "still casting." My strong hunch, for what it's worth, is that this was Colin's decision to back out and that it was a personal one, not a career move. Conspiracy wraps in just 3 weeks--and perhaps his involvement may wrap up even sooner. That gives him the holidays free. Whereas, it has taken Armadillo quite long to come together; the article Moon quoted from Baz mentioned summer shooting, and that is probably what CF originally agreed to. We are long past summer, and to shoot a 3+ hour film at this point, assuming they've already started, would likely take them well into next year. Remember, he was tied up with 3DOR during the holidays last year. This is a man with a geographically complicated personal life. Maybe last year was too difficult on them as a family. Or, I could be totally off base, and maybe he has something else terrific lined up right after Conspiracy which he would not have been able to take if he were doing Armadillo through January or beyond. Just speculating . . .

(Murph) Another supporting role is not what I had hoped would come after BJD I share your pain,Murph, but remember BJD has not been released yet...I have great hopes that his role as Mark Darcy will propel some lead roles... C'mon now gang.....Firth Fans are die-hards...we don't give up easily:-)) I'm inclined to agree with Mari...personal reasons there....

First: Caribou! Nice to see that you've joined us. (Caribou) I will be reading and will post if I ever have anything to add Having something to add is not a prerequisite for posting here. ;-D Moon: that site is the Hollywood Stock Exchange. Remember? About Armadillo, I tend to agree that something must have happened with the timing. The summer shoot was an early projection and before the BBC had A&E onboard. Once A&E committed, then preproduction actually started. Why Colin isn't in it or if he backed out we will never know. But it is their loss. Shouldn't we be happy for Colin? He is doing a character part. ;-D (Evelyn) isn't Tribeca the company that Robert de Niro founded with Harvey? No, it's just Bobby and Jane's company.

First of all, Noelle, it is nice to meet you. Hope you enjoyed your FFF (Firth Film Festival) the other day. I did the very same thing last late Winter and early Spring when I acquired quite a few of CF's OOP videos. I am another who does not mind watching ODB in Camille. He is very young and charming in Camille, and at times reminds me of a young Darcy (in looks). I have found that no matter how uneven the production, there is always something of interest and value in each movie. Plus, there is always that fast forward button! ;-) Hi Caribou! Nice to meet you as well. Jennie, thanks so much for your report. How disappointing that he dashed off without answering any questions. Well, I am in a bit of a Firth funk over the Armadillo casting news. I am beginning to feel like I have hypomania from all these ups and downs. At least we have Conspiracy as a consolation prize. The cast sounds good: it will be fun to see Colin reunited with KB, and I like ST. I agree it will be good to see Colin in a character roll again where he can really shine.

Meant to say "role." :-)

(Evelyn), C'mon now gang.....Firth Fans are die-hards...we don't give up easily:-)) At this point, I would say that is the problem. ;-) (Karen), Moon: that site is the Hollywood Stock Exchange. I believe his stock just dropped. ;-) Shouldn't we be happy for Colin? He is doing a character part. ;-D LOL! Suis stat viribus! He stands by his own strengh. (Lisa), I am beginning to feel like I have hypomania from all these ups and downs. Welcome to the Firth Folly Roller Coaster. Evelyn will try to cheer you up. ;-) Having something to add is not a prerequisite for posting here. ;-D VVG! LOL!

Roller coaster indeed, Moon. Was amazed and pleased to see 60+ messages here since Sunday. After reading all the news you can make my martini a double. To (sorta) quote Ross in Playmaker: Lesson #5 - Don't count your Colin roles until you actually see the man in costume and makeup. (Have you see that film yet Noelle? Welcome back.) I add my welcome also to you, Caribou. As Karen said, don't wait until you have something to contribute - just plunge on in like the rest of us. Thanks for the details on the reading, Jennie. Elizabeth McGovern standing in for Judi Dench? That's a stretch. Wonder which accent Liz will use? ;-) Winter, what did you mean by this? Colin hasn't been a v. attentive hubby, I must say... LOL! I saw the German Wannsee Conference when it was shown on PBS several times a few years ago. Very chilling. It took place in one room. Had hoped that this new version might expand but if it's based on the actualy notes, I'd suppose it won't be so. After all, Colin could have played a good guy - one of the Czech patriots perhaps? ;-) Ah well, I suppose he's had it with playing nice but ineffectual men and wants to go back to being the bad guy again. Suppose it's soon time to trade in my Starz for HBO.

For anyone interested in more info on Stuckart than you'd find in the bios, he actually features in Robert Harris's novel "Fatherland" which is based on the what would have happened if Hitler had won the war. Harris did a lot of research for the book. He describes Stuckart as a "vain man and a curious mixture, curly grey hair, intense eyes, straight jawline, yet a flabby almost voluptuous mouth....an intellectuaal, a high flier." Stuckart was a member of the Interior Ministry's "Committee for the Protection of German Blood" in 1936, a tribunal of lawyers who considered applications for marriage between Aryans and non-Aryans.He was known to provide marriage licences in exchange for sleeping with the Jewish women who were applying. In the novel he has a Jewish mistress, whose antecedents are well disguised. A bit of a contradiction.

Top Ten Reasons Colin switched from Armadillo to Conspiracy: 10. Branagh lured him by promising him a plum role in the upcoming �Love�s Labours *Still* Lost.� 9. He�s gearing up for the Tribeca/DeNiro version of MOB, to be re-titled �Maid Of the Bronx,� the compelling story of John �Harry the Hat� Hatfield and his life on the lam after deflowering the daughter of a Mafia capo. 8. He�s always liked the name Wilhelm (of which Will is a derivative) 7. He�s never played a doctor before. 6. Having lurked on Darcy Drool, he knows he looks damn fine in shiny knee-high boots. 5. Two words: linzer torten. 4. He doesn�t want to ruin his reputation as a character actor. 3. Will laid a guilt trip on him, telling him that holiday fun at the Calley house consists of suctioning PopPop�s feeding tube to the beat of �Jingle Bells.� 2. It would have required location shooting beyond the reaches of the Tube. But the top reason Colin switched from Armadillo to Conspiracy is: 1. At the first rehearsal, someone said �Torquil Helvoir Jayne,� but he heard �Work is glee with Frain.� Feeling unwanted, he bailed. **** Conspiracy theories abound.;-)

ROTFLOL Mari! #2 and 5 would've been enough to sway him. Thanks for the info, Bethan. I read Fatherland and have it here...somewhere. They made it into a made-for-TV movie with Rutger Hauer. Not as good as the book.

Mari-oh-Mari, this is just what we needed! He�s gearing up for the Tribeca/DeNiro version of MOB, to be re-titled �Maid Of the Bronx,� Scenes outside Yankee Stadium will make a wonderful substitute for the Lakes. :-P Will laid a guilt trip on him, telling him that holiday fun at the Calley house consists of suctioning PopPop�s feeding tube to the beat of �Jingle Bells.� LMAO! someone said �Torquil Helvoir Jayne,� but he heard �Work is glee with Frain.� Pffffttt! Welcome, Caribou. Ditto to that said by the others. Do you think CF's right for the Torquil character, Moon? No way. (Mari) Remember, he was tied up with 3DOR during the holidays last year. This is a man with a geographically complicated personal life. Maybe last year was too difficult on them as a family. Two years ago I would have agreed, but IMO (like I have a *right* to an opinion in this matter? ;-)) that's changed. I think there was another reason for CF not playing Lorimer, especially if there was a last minute change in the casting. (Mari) maybe he has something else terrific lined up right after Conspiracy which he would not have been able to take if he were doing Armadillo through January or beyond. Now you're talkin'. :-) (Heide) Lesson #5 - Don't count your Colin roles until you actually see the man in costume and makeup. Think we should start chanting this mantra!

Mari, #1 and 3 had me ROTFLOL! I much appreciated it, thanks. Do you think CF's right for the Torquil character, Moon? No way. Yes way. Afraid so Eileen. I have a feeling that is what happened and he was not going to take the next big role when he was set to do the lead. (He has already seen what happened to the role of Mark Darcy once HG got Daniel). ONLY KIDDING, LADIES! ;-)

Bad news about Armadillo... but then Mari's list put me in good humour again. Thank you, Mari. My computer was down for almost a week thanks to some virus, and now I have it back - another reason to be happy. Welcome, Caribou, and stay with us :-)

I'm away from my PC for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose....Oh woe is Armadillo! *wailing and gnashing of teeth*. That's it I'm never gonna buy,borrow or read a book ever again for fear of putting a hex on .....well anything! I'll just sit her and sulk with my people.......until something else droolworthy comes along ;-( Moon, Heide, Ann ...line 'em up girls it's going to be a heavy session! LOL Mari! I liked nos 6 & 9...we can always rely on you to keep the spirits up. And finally............. WELCOME CARIBOU! We aren't usually this downheartened - honest!

Thanks for all the welcomes. I do indeed feel welcome and I know you're not always this downhearted. Mari, that was truly a professional top ten list -- v.v.funny. Perhaps, in light of all the gloom, it would be good time to share my moment of Firth serendipity. I was watching a gardening show. They were touring a garden in Italy and the host pointed out a giuggioli (that spelling looks wrong) tree. It is common in Italy and bears a date-like fruit. Even if this info is all wrong, it was a good, unexpected moment that only Firth fans could understand.

(Heide)Suppose it's soon time to trade in my Starz for HBO. I will too...and will tell HBO why I'm subscribing...(can't hurt) (Bethan)...on Stuckart than you'd find in the bios, he actually features in Robert Harris's novel "Fatherland" Is this the same Robert Harris who wrote the hilarious story "PMQ"in Speaking with Angels ".One of the best. Heide) Lesson #5 - Don't count your Colin roles until you actually see the man in costume and makeup. (Eileen)Think we should start chanting this mantra! May I add an addendum: Don't buy the book til you actually see.....etc. Mari..."Maid of the Bronx" too funny...along with Butterball...I will not read that book til it's 'suresy'...

Although my local bookstore was selling the hardcover of Armadillo for C$6.99, I have been reluctant to buy it for fear of jinxing this project. Alas and alack, my restraint didn't pay off. Is the book worth reading on its own merits? Can't say Conspiracy sounds like my cup of tea, as I usually avoid Nazi movies like the plague (don't like it that the ba-a-ad guys get so much media attention, I guess). Let's hope 2001 (the real start of the Millenium - I think?) will be a banner year for ODB.

The Tuesday Independent had an article entitled, "Fit for the Party Season: Cornel Chin is the Trainer Who Got Colin Firth Into Shape - For the Bridget Jones Film. He Show You How to Get a Better Body - Fast - Life" No other text except description of exercises.

Review from Victoria Moore, Daily Mail. 17 November Speaking with the Angel. For this collection of short stories Nick Hornby has enticed words from the pens of some of his favourtie writers: Melissa Bank, playwright Patrick Marber, Helen Fielding, Irvine Welsh and even Colin Firth (yes, Mr Darcy to you). Unusually, there is a common element to all these stories in that most of the authors employ an upfront, colloquial style. Very readable and the quality shows. Bur what you're dying to know is whether Firth's writing is as dishy as his acting. Well, yes, it's not half bad. Without the remotest trace of sentimentality, he writes about a schoolboy entranced by his dying grandmother's storytelling. Elsewhere, Irvine Welsh writes in proper English (though still with swearing) and Helen Fielding contributes a mischievous little story, Lucky Bitch, about an elderly lady determined to make people believe that she has fallen over because she is drunk, not because she is old.

Hope all goes well on the Birmingham trip, Ann and Aishling. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. And any info on DQ will be most gratefully received! For anyone interested, Blockbusters (UK) will have RV on Monday (2Oth) and MLSF next Monday (27th).

Thanks, Aishling. One question, is this Victoria Moore a book reviewer or an entertainment/gossip-type writer for the Mail?

DM...But what you're dying to know is whether Firth's writing is as dishy as his acting. Well, yes, it's not half bad. Thanks Aishling...agree with the reviewer,true, it's not half-bad.But then he's an actor, not a writer, doing a friend a favor. My comment is:can those other writers act as well as Mr Darcy;-D

Karen - a book reviewer.

(Me) Do you think CF's right for the Torquil character, Moon? No way. (Moon) Yes way. Really? Huh. That's tatamount to CF switching roles with Timothy Spall in Dutch Girls! Then again, in the dark, all cats are gray...;-) (Heide)Suppose it's soon time to trade in my Starz for HBO. (Evelyn) I will too Raid the piggy bank and keep both: Starz for the movies and HBO for the original programming. Dump Cinemax and Showtime. (Evelyn) Don't buy the book That's what libraries are for! Lynda, Aramadillo is a good read though it felt a bit unfinished at the end. (Independent article) He Show You How to Get a Better Body - Fast - Life *scratching head* Huh, what? Thanks for sharing the review, Aishling. (Evelyn) can those other writers act as well as Mr Darcy But that's not the material point (yeah, I know you know that ;-P).

Good find, Aishling, and coming from a book reviewer one can take it (semi-)seriously. But what you're dying to know is whether Firth's writing is as dishy as his acting. Sheesh, his name is almost a metaphor for sex appeal and the man still can't get top billing unless it's alphabetical. (Ev) My comment is:can those other writers act as well as Mr Darcy;-D LOL! Well, we've already seen Nick's debut. Not quite on the same level yet. Loved your find too, Karen: "Fit for the Party Season: Cornel Chin is the Trainer Who Got Colin Firth Into Shape - For the Bridget Jones Film. He Show You How to Get a Better Body - Fast - Life" Now tell me - which hook are they using to try to get people to read this article? Cornel, you parasite. ;-) Thanks, Mari, for your super Top 10 List. All great but I have a soft spot for #6.

Loved your Top Ten, Mari! Great stuff! I found a very interesting interview with Frank Pierson, director of "Conspiracy". I ccould understand why CF would want to work with him. He seems to be very eminent in his field, an intellectual heavyweight. Ditto the screenplay writer, Loring Mandel...Broadway plays, awards etc. . I'm sure this will be a thought provoking and intellectually rigorous film... history with a contemporary resonance, learning from (as opposed to being entertained by) the past (it's all happened again just recently in the Balkans). Again, perhaps this is why CF wanted to do this film. http://www.wga.org/craft/interviews/Pierson.html Rene Zellwegger was on the news, meeting the Queen. She was with Jim Carrey in London for the Royal Premiere of "The Grinch". She looked v. slim.

(Frank Pierson) "Listen, the films you're making are shit, and the stories you're telling are not worth hearing...One is to have a story to tell that's worth telling. That really requires doing something besides going to high school and college....A very shallow group at the top is doing work that is really, really interesting, and the rest are making such dumb, imitative dreck." Hey, I like this guy! :-) Thanks, Bethan.

Re: Frank Pierson Here is his page at the IMdb. He has a long time between projects. http://us.imdb.com/Name?Pierson,+Frank+(I)

(Frank Pierson) ....there is an assumption that because they have been brought up on film and video they can automatically, intuitively write, direct and act without ever having taken the steps to learn the language and the craft of those professions. He must have seen Mike Binder's stuff;-) Thanks Bethan. Congrats to HBO for taking on this heavy-weight stuff.

A project called "Conspiracy" for HBO; it's good to know that CF is working. It's a drama, as well. That's a boon for me, I've always felt that he was strongest as actor in drama. HBO might well be good news. Many of the made-for-HBO movies often garner more viewers than theatrically released films on the U.S. Besides, HBO attracts top-quality talent, quite often people who don't really do television. Hello Caribou. Are you from Canada? I'm sorry, it's rude to pry. I hope that you enjoy yourself here.

Forgot to mention, there was a positive mini-review of "Speaking with the Angel" in the Times last week...."very entertaining". Might be some reviews in the Sundays....it takes time for reviews to appear. Also, today's Times has a pic of CF and JA and a good review of RV which is Video of the Week...."Sparkling adaptation...all-star ensemble...a first-rate cast that tucks into each bon mot as if it were a delicious bobbon. Colin Firth channels the spirit of Coward himself, throwing epigrams off the cuff of a decidedly limp wrist".

Bobbon..should be "bonbon"!!

Thanks for the update everyone, what a lot to digest! And I thought it was my lime green paperback (still lying pristine and unread) that was the jinx!! Karen thanks for the new pic. Relating to that new "lean" (gaunt?) look, a friend told me that this week they saw a work colleague reading a "diet/fitness" article in one of the tabloids (mirror?) and it was billed as the trainer who got "Mr.Darcy" into shape etc. Sorry to be so vague. Interesting timing, better to wait until BJD release for maximum publicitytho'. Thanks too for the Italian Readings news. It is a shame he didn't stay. Good Luck Ann and Aishling for your DQ trip. Look forward to hearing all about it soon.

A good report on DQ from the Chicago Film Fest. Couldn't agree more, especially if it was turned down by Edinburgh and London! http://wwww.films2.com/newpages/news.asp?ArticleID=2359 Hope you have a good day, Ann and Aisling!

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Oh Gawd, can't believe this. Third attempt! http://www.films2.com/newpages/news.asp?ArticleID=2359

Great find, Bethan, and do agree on his assessment of those other films, all of which I saw. And is the LFF schedule really so strong that there was no available place for Donovan Quick? I fear the answer to the second question at least will be no. Donna did say that it wasn't entered at the LFF or Edinburgh, mainly due to lack of confidence from the BBC. You know, it wasn't the "type" of film that screens at Edinbugh. However, there was room at LFF for a movie about salsa dancing in Brixton. ;-)

Report on channel 5 earlier today with Gail Porter giving an A-Z of the LLF. I would agree Karen. Seems DQ is not "hip" enough! Naturally I only watched this in case I could ascertain why DQ wasn't shown!! Thanks Bethan, great find. Well, we will have to rely on Ann and Aishling now.

And is the LFF schedule really so strong that there was no available place for Donovan Quick? I fear the answer to the second question at least will be no. Despite the fact that Donna Franceschild disagreed....IMO there is a political element in the film that no one wants to take on....

I agree with you Evelyn. Especially with the recent behaviour of the Railroad industry - broken rails etc. then the shareholders being given a large reward at the expense of the commuters etc.

Hello, I am definitely the new kid on the block. I have enjoyed so much reading some of your entries here. I had a friend tape Secret Laughter of Women for me. She missed the first five or ten minutes so I have questions if anyone has seen it. How does CF's character come to be in Africa? How does he meet the little boy? Do we meet his wife at the beginning or only when she comes to Africa?

Welcome Janine! Ask any questions you like. Us "old kids on the block" are always happy to answer. CF's character, Matthew Field, is never in Africa. The whole movie takes place in the south of France, where he has a villa at which he does his writing. He and Sammy meet when Sammy boasts to his school friend (and his mother who is doing the driving) that he lives in the big house. He just walks in and hides in there for a bit, while his friend comes to the door ostensibly to return something, but really to check on him. Matthew answers it and sees Sammy hiding and plays along, as if Sammy lived there. Sammy notices the watch Matthew wears, which has to do with that comic book character and they strike up a friendship. We meet the wife later on as you saw. Have your friend retape it for you. ;-D

It was great to see DQ on the big screen and we loved it. ODB does look so good. Approx 40 people attended but the cinema is small so it didn�t look too bad. The audience response was very good. David Blair and Donna Franceschild attended and were introduced before the start of the film. DF gave a short synopsis of the film and informed us that this would the first time DB had seen DQ on the big screen as he had not attended the Chicago or Halifax Film Festivals because he will not fly. She also said it was a film made out of love and not remuneration. Lots of laughter. Mentioned that DQ had been rejected by the London and Edinburgh Film Festivals so big applause for Birmingham. DF said it is unlikely they would find a UK distributor but is optimistic for further afield. No countries mentioned. DB talked at length about his decision to cast David Brown (Sandy) with the approval of the cast. He gave great credit to the cast for their patience and support with David and said Colin was extremely unselfish. The first question asked was �Have you been sued by Stagecoach?� More laughter. DB replied �No�, but then they haven�t seen the film. Q. Did you think about changing the ending so that the small businessman won? DB No, because it wouldn�t be realistic and would also change the whole end of the film. Q. I have noticed that you have worked with Katy Murphy on several of your projects. DF I first met her 10 years ago and think she is a very good actress and plays sympathetic and vunerable extremely well. Q to DB Did you enjoy DQ on big screen. DB Yes, I think it has transferred very well. Ann asked about the BBC and will report when she finally arrives home.

Finally!! Only 40 people in the audience? Doesn't sound too good. You probably couldn't tell how many people were attending some of the other films, could you? It appears DF's story has changed, as she said DQ wasn't entered in any of those fests. Am anxious to hear Ann's report about her question re: BBC, especially after I pick myself off the floor. ;-D Did it seem television-like to you? I mention this as many of you in the UK thought MLSF was television fare. Wish she elaborated on the "further afield" stuff...

Thanks for the report, Aishling. I'm so glad you and Ann had the opportunity to see it on the big screen, and that the audience response was good. Bethan, thanks for the article on DQ at the Chicago FF. This writer hit the nail on the head!

(Karen)You probably couldn't tell how many people were attending some of the other films, could you? Funnily enough, I thought all of them and it was the first thing we said. Did it seem television-like to you? I mention this as many of you in the UK thought MLSF was television fare. IMO it could be both. I think that what we said about MLSF was that we have many dramas on tv similar to the film and that is why we didn't rave about it.

Thanks Aishling...I know you and Ann went to a lot of trouble and expense to get there.We appreciate your report. Mentioned that DQ had been rejected by the London and Edinburgh Film Festivals so big applause for Birmingham. LOL....changed her story from Chicago.Somebody's got to tell these folks who give interviews that their comments are compared now that we have the international Internet....;-)

Thanks, Aishling. So now we know it was rejected at the LIFF and that is probably what has happened to Londinium as well. Poor Colin. Would they do the same to Ralph? Welcome, Janine!

So now we know it was rejected at the LIFF and that is probably what has happened to Londinium as well. Poor Colin. Would they do the same to Ralph? Ralph had a rough time getting a distributor for "Onegin" despite being shown in Toronto and some other FF. But you know what he did? He got out there and worked like a dog promoting it . (He was also the producer;-) Finally a small distrb picked it up...it was shown in a limited number of cities and on Starz.

Aishling , thanks so much for reporting back to us all so quickly all that was said by DB and DF. You said that he looked good on screen, care to share your favourite scene/bit? It's a while since I saw it , so my memory could do with refreshing!! Glad you got back safely despite railtrack etc Welcome to you Janine.

That's right Evelyn, promotion is the key, as you have said many a time. For Onegin he went on GMTV with Eamon Holmes at 7.45am and simpered away in a shirt undone to the waist. Did the trick! (But not easy on the eye!!) I am glad that it's not ODB's style to do it quite like that, but a teensy weensy bit more of a profile would help!! Whoops, no brownie points to me for resurecting this "old chesnut" so I will shut up in the hope we will hear from Ann instead.

(Evelyn) Ralph had a rough time getting a distributor for "Onegin" despite being shown in Toronto and some other FF But the operative word is that he got it into Toronto and other *major* fests. Wasn't it at London last year? Our poor little DQ can't even get arrested. :-( (Lizza) Whoops, no brownie points to me for resurecting this "old chesnut" LOL! Off with their heads!! ;-)

(Karen)But the operative word is that he got it into Toronto and other *major* fests. That's my point...he took it there...gave press conferences..even went to an obscure FF in Spain. Anyway, moot question. We'll see Londinium eventually.

It had to be accepted first. Maybe he promised them his first-born child in addition to personal appearances and gala stuff.

Maybe he promised them his first-born child in addition to personal appearances and gala stuff. Now you are spilling the family secrets, Karen. (Evelyn), even went to an obscure FF in Spain. The San Sebastian FF is very well known.

Hi All, Well despite a four hour journey taking 6 hours, slow trains, terminated trains and cancelled trains, it was WORTH IT. We had a really lovely time and I really like Birmingham (much to my surprise), must go back for a shopping trip. Anyway, I digress, it was wonderful to see DQ on the big screen and it sounds like we shall be the only ones, a cinema release in the UK is very very unlikely although as Aishling says they have hopes for some overseas releases and said the US audience were very enthusiatic and that "the Americans liked it". I have never seen ODB looking so good on the big screen, forget SIL,TEP, RV, MLSF, he is absolutely gorgeous in this and this is the best he has looked since P&P IMO. If only I could freeze-frame that closing shot and have it as a screen-saver. I reallly don't know why Colin has to diet and exercise to look better than this, and this was only made 9 months before BJD, I just hope he hasn't overdone it because to my mind he is just perfect as DQ and it is a shame that we shall be the only ones to see it on the big screen in the UK. To my complete surprise I found myself putting my hand up to ask a question at question time, I just had to know if we were going to see it on the BBC especially as it see s unlikely that we shall see it at the cinema. Anyway I asked DB if it doesn't get a cinema release are we likely to see it on the BBC and he said well the BBC paid for it (not much) but they paid for it and no doubt it will be shown on the BBC in due course, so eventually we shall get to see it on the TV but don't hold your breath, what a waste. They said they had made it as a feature film so I guess they will persevere with this as much as possible. DB spoke very highly of Colin and said he was a very unselfish actor and he also said that all the actors agreed that they would rather have a young boy with learning difficuties rather than an actor to play ?(name escapes me) and he also said that Colin was very good with him and that it showed on screen, the sceens between them both are particularly good. Lizza, my favourite scene is where Colin gives those two old ladies a very cheeky grin as he is handing out the leaflets, I just love it but it comes and goes so quickly. (Oh what is the young lad's name it is getting very late. Perhaps someone will tell me.) Well that is about it, the audience reation was good, they laughed in all the right places. I was just a bit worred about Clive because there were times when even knowing the story I couldn't understand what he was saying and it seemed worse on the big screen than on the small screen. DF & DB were both very nice and quite happy to answer questions, they had expected the BBC to have done more to promote DQ in the first place but in the end DF had to take over, I do think th is is very bad of the BBC, it is after all License payer's money and they should have done more having made the investment in it in the first place. Oh well that is all for now, must go to bed.

I agree with Ann. I have never thought he was too thin. In P&P when he is standing at the window at the parsonage, when Elizabeth says that once his good opinion is lost it is lost forever. I thought that he was really thin. I may be a bit biased, but what the h---.

Glad to see that you made it home safe and sound, Ann, and that the big screen DQ did not disappoint. So DQ ranks right behind P&P in gorgeousability IYO? Love it! Although, his Daniel look is not my fav. Ick that slicked hair. Sounds like DB is a little bitter, with that response about BBC paying and not much. I know what you mean about understanding Clive and I can't count the number of times I've watched it. He should be subtitled...although, as I said before, David O'Hara is now on an American television series and speaks with nearly as heavy an accent. BTW, the lad's character name was Sandy, played by David Brown. I know you're worn out from the travel.

Thanks very much Ann and Aishling for reporting back so promptly. And I'm very happy to hear that it was a successful trip, that you really enjoyed DQ on the Big Screen (and didn't find Birmingham was too bad!)You both deserve a medal for enduring all the train disruptions etc. Well done! DB spoke very highly of Colin and said he was a very unselfish actor CF is a nice man (IMHO well worth supporting...and I've never been a fan of any actor before!). Although I suspect he's working in a profession in which most people put themselves first. DF & DB were both very nice and quite happy to answer questions, they had expected the BBC to have done more to promote DQ in the first place but in the end DF had to take over, The attitude of the BBC defies belief (Will start phoning again to complain!). Also I cannot, repeat, cannot, comprehend why DQ was turned down by LIFF, and Edinburgh. Edinburgh, Edinburgh for God's sake, can't find a place for a film made in Scotland with Scottish actors? Ridiculous! And LIFF, where 90% of British film showm disappear to total obscurity (we're not talking about being shortlisted for the Oscars), can't find a place for a film from a director with 2 BAFTAs to his name. DQ was shown at Cork, to good reviews...so, what happened? Mind you Cork is in Eire, not Great Britain! My only theory, which may be far-fetched, is malice, pure and simple. I don't think male reviwers like CF, and I think the same attitude may extend to super cool festival organisers..."oh,dear me, not Mr Darcy.." I always remenmber a comment CF made about his little boy being more perceptive than him. He said that his son said one day, "dad, that man doesn't like you" (very nice to have your son looking out for you!). I suspect that there are quite a few men out there who are not well disposed to CF! a cinema release in the UK is very very unlikely although as Aishling says they have hopes for some overseas releases and said the US audience were very enthusiatic and that "the Americans liked it". Well, all I can say is thank God for the US! I honestly think that CF should move his work base away from the UK and spend more time with his son! The HBO project sounds fine, international cast, serious theme , promotion and release date guaranteed. Also BJD will be well promoted in the US, and CF should get good reviews. Entertainment is global. Forget Little England, in all senses of the word! Final word on DQ... deserves attention if only for David Brown's performance. How disappointing for him. BTW..."Onegin". RF may have had to work for it in the US, but all doors opened wide for him in the UK, absolutely no problem. LIFF, Edinburgh showings, distributor, national release, blanket coverage in all the quality papers and glossy mags, tv interviews etc, high profile. Not for him, the ignominy of being "turned down". How do you promote something that can't even get shown in Edinburgh? End of rant!

Bravo Ann!! Thanks for such a detailed and informative account of your DQ experience. The sadness and at times, pure anger, invoked by the attitude of the BBC etc has been softened for me by your comments about how he looks etc and the esteem in which he is held by his fellow professionals. Your journey sounds awful, thanks to you and Aishling for going thro' hell and highwater to bring us all the news. Really appreciated, sounds like you could forge a new career in question asking too. Off to find that bit with the 2 old ladies!

Just an aside , I agree Lucie wih your comments about his thinness. In 3DOR when I was in the front row , I noticed (casually and quite unintentionally, you understand) how his jeans were hanging in folds. We described him as "rake thin" then. ( sorry credit to Evie due) What makes me sad is the possibility of someone making a lot of money out of the fact they have honed "Mr Darcy" to perfection, the article I mentioned having been spotted last week, points to that possible eventuality. Meanwhile we carry on thinking he is "perfect" however he looks!!!

How do you promote something that can't even get shown in Edinburgh? Good point, Bethan. Colin must be wondering what the h... went wrong?

(Lizza) In 3DOR when I was in the front row , I noticed (casually and quite unintentionally, you understand) how his jeans were hanging in folds. Unintentionally, you say?! *hee hee* I was sitting next to you. That's not all you were noticing, but your secret is safe with me. Cornel used "the man who got Leonardo di Caprio in shape for The Beach" before switching to ODB. Leo is old news. Celebrity endorsement is normal. It will be replaced by his next celebrity assignment.

That reminds me Karen, isn't this month's instalment due to you now? Better send my "bribe" off post haste. Can see I'll be "paying" you for the rest of my life on that one. Beats me what a girl could do with so much Spam! :�)) Let's remind ourselves that the publicity over Colin's new svelte bodyshape won't really surface until the BJD release. The things we droolers have to look forward to......

Here's the UK cover: and this looks to be the American... (looks like some people--relationship unknown--got lost)

agree Lucie wih your comments about his thinness. In 3DOR when I was in the front row , I noticed (casually and quite unintentionally, you understand) how his jeans were hanging in folds. Unintentionally, you say?! *hee hee* I was sitting next to you. That's not all you were noticing, but your secret is safe with me. LOL! I've never had the pleasure of seeing the Man in the Flesh, but i think he could put on 2 stone, not loose it! More news of "Conspiracy" from Excite Nov 1 Ian McNiece, British thesp, has joined KB and ST in "Conspiracy". The HBO telepic which begins lensing on Wednesday in London recreates the 1942 gathering in Wansee. IM is a British character actor par excellence...was Valmont's manservant, has played many other roles.

Three's company, six is a crowd. :-)

Good to see RV covers Karen. I still have that pleasure at my local BB to come. BTW anyone else notice the deliberate mistake in this week's Radio Times? MLSF write up on video page, giving rental info AND cost �14.99 making it appear you can purchase it. Virgin et al say the release date to purchase has not been given to them yet. Another typical BBC C*** up!

(Bethan) Ian McNiece, British thesp, has joined KB and ST in "Conspiracy". Did they say what role he plays? Better not be bigger than Dr. Stuckart's.

I don't know the real reason surrounding DQ not being accepted at these festivals (if indeed it was submitted...DF changed her story when she crossed the Pond),but I doubt there is a conspiracy against ODB. This is a business, out to get an audience...not a petty "hen party".

*clap clap* Thank you, Ann and Aishling, for your DQ reports. Your efforts to get there and report back so expiditiously are appreciated.

May I add my thanks to Ann and Aishling for your reports. Well done on getting there and back and posting so soon (I only wish I could have joined you). Just thought I'd share a little something from todays "Metro". The subject of the 60 second interview is Nick Hornby and the first question is: "Q. I didn't know Colin Firth was a writer as well as an actor until I saw his work in your anthology. NH - It's his first published piece. I think it was very brave. I'd known he was interested and I thought this might be something to get him started. I could see he was extremely excited to be asked and he just needed a finger, rather than two hands, to push him over the edge. I've talked to him a lot over the last few years; he's incredibly bright and I thought that he'd come up with something interesting" See I told you it was a little something!

Good "little something," Tracy. Some of us have talked about how Colin got involved, who knew what, etc. This kind of nails it down.

Hello Janine. I've no idea if you live in the United States, but if you do, have a Happy Thanksgiving.