{"conf": "sports", "generated_at": "2026-04-26T08:00:02.954878Z", "threads": [{"num": 0, "subject": "", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 1, "subject": "introductions", "response_count": 106, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jul  3, 1996 (02:00)", "body": "Im Paul Terry Walhus from Austin, Texas. Were home to the Longhorns basketball, volleyball and football teams. The Cowboys train here at St. Eds. Someday maybe well have a minor league team. My favorite sport is NBA basketball, followed by college basketball, then college football, NFL football, golf and tennis."}, {"response": 2, "author": "copyboy", "date": "Wed, Jul  3, 1996 (22:15)", "body": "I'm Josh Daniel, also in Austin. I'm checking out the Spring because, hey, the Well isn't free, you know. I follow the Houston Rockets pretty closely; I suppose pro basketball is my favorite sport. I was *almost* into baseball last season when the strike came up. Ugh. I keep my hopes up for the Oilers, but then, you're not really a sports fan until you root for a team that never wins--that's my motto. I have to say I hate the Cowboys, though I can't put my finger on exactly why."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jul  5, 1996 (10:50)", "body": "Welcome Josh. I'll be interested in hearing your comments about the Rockets chances next year. Same here on baseball, not back into it yet. We've got a Cowboys item here when you pull together your thoughts on this."}, {"response": 4, "author": "copyboy", "date": "Fri, Jul  5, 1996 (22:01)", "body": "I'm following this Rockets deal for Barkley very closely. I have a feeling it'll fall through. I said before last season was over that the Rockets would not win the finals in 96, then trade for Barkely in the off-season and return to the finals next year. I still hold to that. However, I'm uneasy about giving up Sam Cassell. Horry is a great player but sometimes wouldn't show up (figuratively) for several games at a time. Cassell shows signs of becoming one of the best sixth men around. And of course, there's the matter of money. Lousy salary cap! Still holding out hope, Josh"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jul  7, 1996 (02:36)", "body": "I think today it was looking like the Barkley deal was a go. It feels like the Rockets would rather have a another championship next season instead of build for a future seveal years down the line. Do you blame them? Championships can be a once in a couple of decades proposition unless you're the Lakers, Bulls, or another legendary team. Who do folks feel will be the powers in the NBA next season? And what about the Dream Team barely squeaking out a victory today over the college pickup team. Chalk it up to a shakedown cruise perhaps, but this *is* the *dream team*. Wish I could have caught the game on tv, anyone catch it?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "fbrown", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 1996 (12:10)", "body": "Hi! I'm Fred and, unfortunately, I'm a Texas Rangers fan. I can't understand why the Rangers insist on trying to make it each year with what amounts to a minor league staff!!! I was really hoping they'd make a major move or two to shore up the staff for the pennant race. I officiate high school football and baseball, so I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment. :-) Hook 'em Horns! Go Cowboys, Rangers and Spurs! Go Oilers ... and take the Astros with you!!! One more note, I'd like to see a sports radio discussion group at Spring. Now that we have an all-sports radio station in Austin, it would be nice to have a forum for expanding on topics Max and \"Dribbling\" Dick discuss. The 1-on-1 site is more for national topics and not necessarily everything that Max and Dick talk about. Keep up the good work at Spring. Fred"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 1996 (22:21)", "body": "I'll create an topic called sports radio then, good idea. I enjoy Max's show on my morning ride into work and have been a frequent (can you say daily) caller on his show. In fact, I'm settting up a website for him."}, {"response": 8, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Aug  5, 1996 (10:00)", "body": "Greetings! As of August 12th, I will no longer be hailing from Austin, Texas but as far as a sports conference is concerned it won't matter too much anyway. I was bred to be a Cleveland Browns fan and now I don't have a team. My new home will be in Denver, Colorado but rest assured, there will be no Bronco rooting for me!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug  8, 1996 (10:38)", "body": "We'll miss you around here Stacey and we hope you can get connected in Denver so you can come join us again. And Fred, the sports radio topic is happening so jump on in and comment. Did you see today's article about Max in the XLent section of the Statesman?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "oplion", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (17:01)", "body": "Well Hello..Looks like I came to the wrong ant hill.As a Dolphin fan, Not A Jimmy Johnson fan (even if HE does have my name) it would seem a bit unuseual that I will find a Umm..Seat in this stadium. Sports,sports,and of course more sports. I try not to watch the striken (is that the correct tense) Marlins,or for that matter any baseball, but can't stay away.As a new release from team aol,(what a looser)I am searching for a new way to fill my free time untill football gets into full swing.Webbing seams to be the answer.I am sure I will hook on with a Florida based IRC soon.Its up to Texas to help me through the worst prediction -Bryan Cox will fall on his face this year,look for Pittsburg to have a stellar year running the ball. Stoyonvich to the Redskins,for #1 draft pick.The Oilers,well time to be quiet..Solong from the sunshine stste. Jimmy Johnson"}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 20, 1996 (00:16)", "body": "Well, Marino looked good in tonights Monday Night football preseason game, even without a probowl receiver on hand. Looks like Jimmy Johnson has some work to do though, as this team needs much more of his style of leadership. Warren Moon looked pretty good too, when he wasn't letting the ball slip out of his hands. Stoyonovich hit the uprights on his field goal attempt. Close but no cigar. Welcome Jim Johnson, feel free to hang out on this ant hill."}, {"response": 12, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 20, 1996 (08:24)", "body": "Good morning terry. I almost never miss a Dolphin's game, but got caught up in work till late last night. It's good the D's won going into N.E.for the first game, well it's a conference game and they do have a good line. So momentum is with with them,I will have to read how bad (according to JJ) they were in the paper.Sometimes the review of the game doesn't upset my breakfast.Looking forward to the new season. More later...jjftlaud"}, {"response": 13, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sat, Aug 24, 1996 (23:55)", "body": "jj didn't wait untill the third game of the season to show theres still some new twist's to his game plan. I don't remember Dallas doing a no huddle offence,only the Bills have done it with any sucess. I stand corrected,Stoyo didn't go to the 'Skins,but he went nonetheless. Looking forward to a seventy yard field goal by our new kicker!!! jjftlaud"}, {"response": 14, "author": "kildigard", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 1996 (14:01)", "body": "predictions: the best 6 teams for 1996: 1...packers 2...chiefs 3...niners 4...bills 5...cowboys 6...colts what's your listing look like???? kildigard"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 1996 (16:00)", "body": "How about going over to item 11 and making your picks for this weekends games?"}, {"response": 16, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (17:12)", "body": "Hello, I'm T.J. I was born in upstate NY and went in the Navy at 17. Traveled the world and retired to Bastrop, TX in December 1993. As far as a fan, I really don't care for any Texas Teams which makes me wonder why I signed on to this conversation. My favorite teams are the 49ers, and Giants in the NFL; And I find it real hard to cheer for anyone in the AFL(Almost Football League); Blackhawks, NHL; The Fighting Irish of Notre Dame and Syracuse Orangemen are my teams in NCAA Football, I also have been known to cheer for BC and FSU and anyone that plays against the AGGIES. I will cheer for anyone Big East or ACC in NCAA Basketball but lean toward Syracuse and Duke in interconference play. MLB - I have always been a Yankees fan but for the last 20 years I might as well have backed the Rangers for all the good they have done. Actually, I'm still upset with baseball and haven't paid much attention since the strike. I'll probably watch my first game after the strike if the Yankees or Rangers make the playoffs. I find no hope in the NBA regular season and don't really pay any attention until the second season (playoffs) Then I'm a Celtics fan, so I don't get to watch basketball anymore. I heard about this website on 1490 sports radio, and wanted t get involved earlier but after I heard pauls, dicks and the kids pick for the first week of the NFL I had to get involved."}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (17:34)", "body": "Welcome TJ. We talk about all sports here, not just Texas sports. Jim Johnson is a prime example of this (Miami guy). I have a place out in Bastrop also, so we're sort of neighbors (I'm actually in Cedar Creek). My loyalties are the the Cowboys and the 49ers and it's starting to look like a 9ers year more and more."}, {"response": 18, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 1996 (12:08)", "body": "Thanks Terry for the welcome. You must have a real problem during the November game between the 9ers and Boys. I find the same problem when the 9ers play the Giants. Jim - I want to wish you the best of luck with Miami, Its about time the (Almost Football League) remembers how to play real football. DEFENSE & A RUNNING GAME!!!!! Jimmy in Miami and Bill in New England should bring real football to the AFC. Kildigard - Top 6 for 96 will be 49ers, Packers, Bills, Miami, Phily, then Cowboys. I've put a few responses into the College Football, Horns Football and Cowboys sections. I also made some picks for this weeks pro games. Will keep looking to find out what type of fans we have on here. Does anyone know how to get in tough with a Notre Dame Fan Club in Austin. Is there a venue where one might go to watch the Notre Dame Games with other Irish Fans and maybe partake of a few refreshing beverages at the same time."}, {"response": 19, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (04:03)", "body": "Hey guys!"}, {"response": 20, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (04:13)", "body": "Sorry about that, just getting use to the interface here. Anyway, I live in San Marcos(attending SWT), but grew up in Austin. My Team is the Seattle Mariners, and my sport is baseball. I've also been known to root for the Cowboys and the Braves. I usually pull for any team playing against the 49er's, Packers, Indians, Rangers, and the Aggies. Oh yeah, I'm a huge Longhorn Football & Basketball Fan. I do have some ties to the Detroit Lions, as the #1 Pick, Regg e Brown, and my friend, graduated with me in high school. Too bad for him as he hurt his knee, and is still listed as out for this week. Thanks for the space to air out my opinions, and keep up the great work. Oh yeah pass a word to the KFON guys on what a great job they're doin'!!! I listen every other day at work in Austin.!"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (09:13)", "body": "Welcome board Paul, join in our NFL week two picks if you get a chance before this Sunday noon's first kickoff. As you can see in item 11, we've got quite a few folks making picks this week and I'm getting a fax from Max with some more. If I get on Dribblin's show later today, I'll pass the word on. Max is online so he may see your comments."}, {"response": 22, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (11:17)", "body": "Welcome Paul, at least we will be rooting for the same team every time the Aggies Play."}, {"response": 23, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (15:53)", "body": "San Marcos, Cedar Creek, Bastrop - the highway 21 sports connection. Anyone else from out that way???"}, {"response": 24, "author": "vsix", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (00:03)", "body": "Hey guys! After much pressure from Paul I decided to pay a visit. Looks good Paul! Where are Max and Dick?"}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (10:40)", "body": "Look around Vern. And make your picks for next weeks games if you're up on the NFL. You won't see Dick posting here, Max has a couple of comments somewhere. Welcome aboard."}, {"response": 26, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (13:26)", "body": "Paul, did not know where else to put a request. I would like to see a few new topics, so that it might make it easier to keep track of the weekly (growing) pick group. Suggest that two new topics be NFL PICKS and COLLEGE PICKS to make it easier to find as well as keep track of. Also would you be interested in a new topic for DARTS. Let me know your opinion, Thanks"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (15:50)", "body": "Sounds good. I'll set these up."}, {"response": 28, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (10:57)", "body": "Thanks Paul"}, {"response": 29, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep 12, 1996 (08:38)", "body": "Paul, heard you on KFON about 5 yesterday, I take it your not a ND fan. I kept waiting for DD to slam me, but just like the longhorns, the entire chase for the national championship for the Irish begins in Memorial Stadium and I think (now more than ever) that DD is really an Irish fan trying to please the Austin audiance. I do have to thank you and DD, now everyone knows who is the biggest Irish fan in the area and I'm a hero with all my Irish Fan buddies. And its not a restaurant!!!!! Maybe some day we can get together with DD and tip a few cold ones while watching the Fighting Irish or Longhorns work toward the elusive national title."}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 1996 (09:00)", "body": "Somebody begins their road to the national title in Darrell Royal Memorial Stadium next weekend. Longhorn fans should pray for rain again, it really helped them in their last win. UT has some awesome weapons, like running qb James Brown and the running back trio that's hard to stop. I look for Priest Holmes to step up big in the Notre Dame game. So do they have a sports bar in Rockne?"}, {"response": 31, "author": "lydlemike", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (23:40)", "body": "I heard somewhere the Max Miller was going to have a WebPage but I can't find it on the Web Browser, if anyone hears of it, would be great to check it out. Mike L."}, {"response": 32, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 19, 1996 (07:50)", "body": "Max's \"space reserved\" for the future web page is at: http://www.kfon.com Or http://www.kfon.com/~max"}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (10:37)", "body": "The sports conference is seek a host or co-hosts. It's not a paying job really, unless you're looking for some net access or a website or some other use of our servers."}, {"response": 34, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (16:20)", "body": "I've only just started logging in every day here, but I have experience..."}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (17:59)", "body": "Sounds great! You re hired."}, {"response": 36, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (11:25)", "body": "I suppose my first duty is to tally up the NFL poll..."}, {"response": 37, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 1996 (11:37)", "body": "Hey Boyce, congrats on the new host position!!!!!! have you figured out the stats yet????? Just kidding, take your time, you have 5 weeks to sift through. Best of Luck. Paul, heard you on the radio this morning, softball, football and b-ball pick up games. Do you have locations???????? Sounds great, would like to play some old man football some weekend. Would you do me a favor, could you create a Darts Topic.....yes a \"Darts\" topic. I know its a sedentary sport but it is still a sport and I wonder if anyone else on the conversation has an interest....... Thanks"}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 1996 (15:23)", "body": "Sure, I'll create that plus the pickup game topic for basketball, softball, and touch football games."}, {"response": 39, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Mon, Oct  7, 1996 (01:18)", "body": "Hey, how about starting up a San Antonio Spurs topic. It's about that time of the year. They also have a game coming up this Friday against the Rockets on Prime TV."}, {"response": 40, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct  7, 1996 (16:04)", "body": "Good idea. I don't know how I missed the Spurs when I set this up."}, {"response": 41, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 1996 (12:22)", "body": "What happened in here, I couldn't get in forever: was there a problem???????"}, {"response": 42, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 1996 (13:48)", "body": "There was a problem. We had a sudden breakdown on the part of our previous backbone provider and they hacked up our dns tables till nothing worked. So we quickly sought out a more reliable and more stable backbone provider (UUNet) and now we're in *far* better shape. Thanks for asking. I owed everyone an explanation. Around the first we'll also be putting up a new, more reliable dial up server for our dialup customers. Sorry for the downtime folks, we got hit by a tornado."}, {"response": 43, "author": "plitton", "date": "Wed, Nov  6, 1996 (14:26)", "body": "Does everyone talk just football? What about Nascar racing? Do I hear of any Dale Earnhart fans? He's still the king you know. The only football I'm interested in is a team who can smother the TN VOLS."}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov  6, 1996 (17:10)", "body": "Welcome Patricia! There just happens to be a NASCAR item."}, {"response": 45, "author": "mickey", "date": "Mon, Nov 11, 1996 (10:52)", "body": "well i do have to say that i love them there COWBOYS and the rockets too. i play all sports. hey, Patricia. what is TN VOLS?"}, {"response": 46, "author": "Baaron", "date": "Sun, Nov 17, 1996 (19:19)", "body": "The cowboys just rule!"}, {"response": 47, "author": "Baaron", "date": "Sun, Nov 17, 1996 (19:20)", "body": "Is this kind of like a chatroom?"}, {"response": 48, "author": "Baaron", "date": "Sun, Nov 17, 1996 (19:20)", "body": "hello?"}, {"response": 49, "author": "Baaron", "date": "Sun, Nov 17, 1996 (19:21)", "body": "uh anybody?"}, {"response": 50, "author": "Baaron", "date": "Sun, Nov 17, 1996 (19:21)", "body": "THIS SUX!"}, {"response": 51, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 17, 1996 (20:11)", "body": "This isn't a chat room. It's a conference."}, {"response": 52, "author": "jwcannon", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (22:52)", "body": "I Think the Rockets trade was Great. Barkley brings that HUNGER needed to win Championships. Horry and Cassel will be a loss in the Future. But Championships bring memories and Barkley will give Houston those."}, {"response": 53, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (23:31)", "body": "Good talking to you on NetMeeting tonight JW! Hope you make it back by."}, {"response": 54, "author": "psycho", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (19:49)", "body": "Hi, everybody. I heard about this place from Electric Minds. Just thought I come and check it out. I'm a Yankees fan and a N.Y. Rangers fan. I also enjoy watching Indycar and F1. Once in a while, I'll watch a basketball or two."}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (19:52)", "body": "If you're a Yankees fan you had one helluva good year. What a dream team."}, {"response": 56, "author": "Bud5", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (00:01)", "body": "Football is cool but I'm mostly a hockey fan go CANADIANS! I don't really favor a pro football team but I like New England chances (last time I checked they where doing ok). I follow college Foot more and ND is my team.So terry you're a Netmeeting fan ? Huum wrong topic. It's funny how many people think this is a chat line... I know It's a lost cause but I root for the Toronto Raptors. As for myself, I play Ice Hockey outside (when it gets cold) and Roller Hockey in the Summer(you could say I dig the spor ). I'm also an avid cyclist. And I don't swim that good but like it too. I could go on like that and fill the whole page, caus if I don't play a sport I probably follow it! So lets just say I DON'T like figure skating (hahaha). Is it a sport? hummm"}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (00:53)", "body": "Check out cycling in the fitness conference. Stacey Vura is our cycling maven."}, {"response": 58, "author": "Rowdy", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (00:12)", "body": "Being New to the Group---I back-read Most of the Notices everyone has sent... Was good to see the Word----- \"Nascar\" Mentioned in \"ONE\".. !! Would Really like to see a Little More of that around here............ \"Any takers\"..?????? \"Rowdy\""}, {"response": 59, "author": "genaXtex", "date": "Tue, Dec 24, 1996 (14:46)", "body": "Hey guys! Here I was...surfing the web, and what do I find but the Spring. All beautiful and WEB-isized. Terry...you and your crew have done a nice job around the place in my absence. Of course, my first stop was sports...what Terry. No \"girls\" sports here! Happy holidays to everybody from gena in New England"}, {"response": 60, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 24, 1996 (17:15)", "body": "Hey Gena, welcome home to Texas! We can fix that. I'll start 'em or you start 'em up. Don't we have a Lady Horns topic?"}, {"response": 61, "author": "geekman", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (05:05)", "body": "G'day, I am here under sufferance of Terry! Geez, thanks Terry! You are most insupportable! Indeed I am most vexed! ;-) Well, I'm the token Aussie for another conference here on Spring! My favourite sports are Cricket, Rugby Union (Rugger), Tennis, Football (Soccer), Australian Rules, and Volleyball. I regularly play Tennis and Volleyball. Oh, I thought you all might want to know it's Summer here and we are enjoying beautiful, warm, sunny days! ;-)"}, {"response": 62, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (05:45)", "body": "And you might even start up a cricket topic? I won't make you suffer , promise. Nice to know that, while we freeze our little fannies off."}, {"response": 63, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun  8, 1997 (22:27)", "body": "Now it's summer here. Ian, must insufferabley hot."}, {"response": 64, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Fri, Sep  5, 1997 (08:22)", "body": "I'm George, I'm putting everything in the football pool on Rutgers this week."}, {"response": 65, "author": "Rubi", "date": "Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (00:34)", "body": "Hi, my name is Mike. I am from Michigan and I am proud to say that I attend the University of Michigan. My intrests include all sports but I have a special place in my heart for the Wolverine football team and the Detroit Lions. I hope there are some other college football fans out there that enjoy a healthy debate. Go Blue! Thanks"}, {"response": 66, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (09:23)", "body": "Welcome Mike, I hope you join our football pool! Lines being posted today. You get $7,500 virtual dollars to start. King George is going to be tough to catch as he nears the $100k mark."}, {"response": 67, "author": "rubi", "date": "Tue, Oct 28, 1997 (21:49)", "body": "How do I join? Sounds good, just tell me who I have to kill. I wouldn't want to be wearing a Minnesota jersey this Sat. , I think the gophers are going to want to crawl in the ground with their relativies the woodchucks after Michigan gets done with them"}, {"response": 68, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 28, 1997 (23:37)", "body": "Go to the sports conference and look at the lines that are posted in the football pool topic. Then pick a team and put down a virtual bet like this: 5000 Niners Then if the Niners win and beat the spread you gain 5000 virtual dollars, if they don't make the spread you lose 5000 virtual dollars. So, with 7500 to start you would end up with either 12500 virtual dollars or 2500 virtual dollars. The good news is that Stacey may be jumping in and boyce is back. So come join us!"}, {"response": 69, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (18:17)", "body": "Come one Stacey, jump in!"}, {"response": 70, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (19:55)", "body": "Stacey, read response 69!"}, {"response": 71, "author": "gud", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (22:08)", "body": "Hey, how 'bout Judgement Day my friends? The Michigan Wolverines trounced Penn State today: 34-8! ESPN held a poll that over 90,000 people responded to, which said that the winner of this game should be #1 in the country, and I agree. Especially since Nebraska just barely slipped away from defeat with a miracle over Misourri. Florida St. is up 17-0 at the half against NC though, so it should be interesting. Who do you guys think should be #1 come Monday?"}, {"response": 72, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (02:08)", "body": "Mizzou. Just kidding, but I'd like to see them get it on heart. They played great didn't they?"}, {"response": 73, "author": "gud", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (16:59)", "body": "Yeah, they definitely played a great game! It's unfortunate that they had to lose that way. That's how the underdog is supposed to win, not the #1 team in the nation. But I think the polls are out and Michigan is #1 in the AP....Awhhh yeah!!"}, {"response": 74, "author": "Clara", "date": "Wed, Nov 12, 1997 (22:52)", "body": "Hello, I'm Clara, and I like volleyball."}, {"response": 75, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 13, 1997 (11:39)", "body": "Welcome Clara!"}, {"response": 76, "author": "Hoop", "date": "Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (22:12)", "body": "I'm Hoop from Wisconsin here to put my perspective on things. It looks like the Packers are going to the playoffs. The team has greatly improved since the first half of the season when they just barely squeaked by their opponents. If the Pack and the 49ers meet in the playoffs--its a tossup who wins--a very even matchup. The Packer fans are somewhat unique--the corny looking \"cheesehead\"--going shirtless in freezing cold temperatures--etc. etc. The Packer fans are extremely loyal. Even though they ad 30 years of mediocre and lousy teams, the fans stood by them. Every game is a sellout. The waiting list for season tickets is 15 years. Divorces get downright nasty over custody of the Packer tickets!!! The rivalry between the Packers and the Cowboys has always been a great one. I look for the Cowboys to be much stronger team next year. Hoop"}, {"response": 77, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (23:52)", "body": "Let's hope you're right about the Cowboys. To say that the Pack fans are loyal is like saying the Pope's a Catholic. That Niner Pack game should be great!"}, {"response": 78, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Fri, Feb 27, 1998 (11:41)", "body": "Hi all! I've been absent from the Spring since my brief drop in back around Dec '96. Am gonna try to stay a bit more regular from here on out. OK... any runners out there?"}, {"response": 79, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Feb 27, 1998 (11:58)", "body": "Wow, Gena, how *great* you're back. I've been working out but I've been swimming instead of running. I'm a mile a day swimmer. I do go on long walks nearly every day as I live out in the country and I'd be missing something if I didn't! Gosh, golly, so good you're checking back in again! An *orginal* spingeur!"}, {"response": 80, "author": "chiefluro", "date": "Fri, Mar  6, 1998 (00:51)", "body": "Hi Everyone! I'm retired Air Force (30yrs), originally from Bangor, Maine, now permanently settled in sunny Ft Lauderdale. Background includes competative Swim Coach for military and AAU teams, horseback riding/competition, and love of sports in general. Am a heavy supporter of college sports...yes, the Miami Hurricanes! Am currently prepping to participate in next years Disney World Marathon (5K). My daughter runs in the Marathon and/or 1/2 Marathon this year. Have done a little traveling throughout the years, if anyone might be interested in my entry on the Travel Topic. This includes Europe, Korea, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Alaska,etc. Will be waiting t hear any relative comments on above topics. Am quite sure I'll get some response to Univ of Miami Hurricanes. Palmer"}, {"response": 81, "author": "paudster", "date": "Thu, Apr  2, 1998 (19:17)", "body": "Hello! My name is Robert and I am a big time sports fan. I love all sports but my favorite sport is Basketball, followed by Football, and then Baseball. I am from Los Angeles, California so my favorite teams are the Lakers (God bless them), the Dodgers, the UCLA Bruins, and the....well, since we don't have a local football team, I root for the nearest team which is San Diego (don't laugh). I love the pros and college ranks, especially during the playoffs and tournaments. I try to play as much basketb ll as possible with a little tennis thrown in. I have a sit down job so my weight gain has been incredible; I try to work out twice a week but when it rains it pours. I found this site while doing a search on Alta Vista on \"sports questions\". Can't wait to exhale all of my questions on yall. If I maybe so forward and ask a beginning question right now since I need the info...Baseball, How are at-bats calculated? Is a walk counted as an at-bat? How about a sacrifice? What constitutes an at-bat? Please respond and thank you for this opportunity. Go Lakers!!!"}, {"response": 82, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Apr  2, 1998 (20:15)", "body": "I'm pretty sure every trip to the plate is an \"at bat\" isn't it. And welcome. I pretty much like basketball, football, golf, and baseball in that order. Feel free to add to the other topics in this conference! I'll try and keep you company and maybe even boyce will return from the dead."}, {"response": 83, "author": "MaryBeth", "date": "Mon, Jun 22, 1998 (06:11)", "body": "I am a Sonics Fan, gotta love those Sonics. Even thought Westphal is their Coach now, they'll do great once again. I play basketball, so I'm not just a spectator. I am also a soccer player. Hey, I gotta kep in shape somehow."}, {"response": 84, "author": "MaryBeth", "date": "Mon, Jun 22, 1998 (06:12)", "body": "I am a Sonics Fan, gotta love those Sonics. Even thought Westphal is their Coach now, they'll do great once again. I play basketball, so I'm not just a spectator. I am also a soccer player. Hey, I gotta keep in shape somehow."}, {"response": 85, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jun 22, 1998 (10:32)", "body": "What moves are they gonna make in the offseason to improve their team. And, oh, welcome!"}, {"response": 86, "author": "MaryBeth", "date": "Fri, Jun 26, 1998 (23:28)", "body": "Well, you know, I guess in order for any team to keep up the intensity on the court, they'll have to work very hard. They should work on their endurance and their front court will need a lot of work since Schrempf is really the only seasoned player they will have up front. Baker needs to work on his mental game. He lets the pressure get to him many times. I hope Westphal can do something about that. I hope he can do a better job with such a talented team than George Karl."}, {"response": 87, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jun 30, 1998 (17:47)", "body": "It's more wide open with the dissapation taking place with the Bulls, wouldn't you say? And folks may be tired of Utah, and they're aging."}, {"response": 88, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (00:00)", "body": "aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! for the hundredth time i've tried to enter a topic for the Astros... (and for the hundredth time gotten this damn internal error message)... don't know why the hell this is... never had a problem entering topics in other conferences... perhaps some wholly unnatural server prejudice against my squad... will some kind soul PLEASE enter this topic for me?"}, {"response": 89, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (00:05)", "body": "will try"}, {"response": 90, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (00:09)", "body": "tried nick but recieved \"internal error\" as well... perhaps it's better this way... you may not have appreciated my topic intro!"}, {"response": 91, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (00:12)", "body": "hmmm... (and what might that've been?) (curious, you know) (oh and thanks for trying)"}, {"response": 92, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (00:15)", "body": "a bunch of blabber about tight pants, high prices, ridiculous salaries and your taste in a professional team! *smile*"}, {"response": 93, "author": "KitchenManager", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (00:19)", "body": "checked the config file, you gotta be a host to enter a topic in this conf..."}, {"response": 94, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (00:20)", "body": "details, details, details..."}, {"response": 95, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (00:26)", "body": "stacey- an accurate and fair depiction of most teams (like the rockies)... but- surely- not the astros (who- as everyone knows- are the Hub of the Sporting World)... wer- thanks (and damn)"}, {"response": 96, "author": "KitchenManager", "date": "Thu, Jul  2, 1998 (01:50)", "body": "yo hosts in here be: terry, boyce, boyce2, gena"}, {"response": 97, "author": "TIM", "date": "Sun, Nov 15, 1998 (11:54)", "body": "Now is come the time of year to wonder if the Cowboys have enough steam to make it to the Super Bowl. Or will they fizzle again?"}, {"response": 98, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Mar 28, 2002 (04:52)", "body": "Hi all I want to introduce another sport not mentioned here. That is Netball. Netball is a 7-aside game played predominantly by women but also more and more by men, which originated in Britain and it is immensely popular in Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, the Pacific Islands and South Africa. Lesser known countries but existent nonetheless on the netball world circuit include Canada and the United States. Click the link below for the New Zealand Silver Ferns logo: http://images.tvnz.co.nz//netballnz/teams/silverferns_120_black.gif Rob"}, {"response": 99, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (12:35)", "body": "Hey everyone. I was trying to enter a new topic in the sports conference and the server won't let me. Whats up with that?"}, {"response": 100, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (16:26)", "body": "What topic? I can enter it for you or look in to it."}, {"response": 101, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (20:37)", "body": "Okay you can enter the topic if ya want. I kept trying myself but it just won't work. I need it to be entered ASAP because this is occuring right now and I want to give everyone all the highlights. I want to make a topic called the Anaheim Angels. The Anaheim Angels are my hometown team and have made it quite far this year. One more game and we will be in the playoffs. This is very exciting for me and everyone in Southern California. This hasn't happened since 1986. Thanks Terry! Hugs!"}, {"response": 102, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 2002 (04:56)", "body": "I'll do it now!"}, {"response": 103, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (19:05)", "body": "Where are the Christmas Bonuses? I find my post was the last in college football 2002. Is it somewhere else?"}, {"response": 104, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (19:07)", "body": "Topic 63! Topic 63 of 65: 'football pool 2002' Resp 242 of 246: NittanyLion (MarciaH) Tue, Dec 24, 2002 (17:35) 1 lines Ahhhhh THAT kind of Football?! Happy Holidays, Joe!b Topic 63 of 65: 'football pool 2002' Resp 243 of 246: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (08:05) 17 lines For Marci penn state 5.5 auburn (1/1 - Capital One Bowl) For George, Frans, et al texas 10.0 louisiana state (1/1 - Cotton Bowl) Joe, I'll round up my laundry for you since you're taking me to the cleaners. Tell them to lightly starch that blue suit, ok? Come on George, one more hail Mary on Texas? Topic 63 of 65: 'football pool 2002' Resp 244 of 246: NittanyLion (MarciaH) Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (15:02) 1 lines Thanks for the odds on Penn State. Almost a toss-up. But I will bet the lot on my alma mater. How could I do otherwise?! Topic 63 of 65: 'football pool 2002' Resp 245 of 246: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (18:33) 21 lines So with the standings being 40,000 George 7,900 Marci 3,000 Terry 250 Frans 0 Joe With your Christmas bonus of 40,000 each that comes to: 80,000 George 47,900 Marci 43,000 Terry 40,250 Frans 40,000 Joe So it's 47,900 Penn State for Marci Topic 63 of 65: 'football pool 2002' Resp 246 of 246: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (18:41) 6 lines Predict the *exact* score of the Texas game before kickoff and you get a 250,000 virtual dollar bonus. Predict the Superbowl winner before the Texas kickoff and win another 40,000. Predict the two teams in the Superbowl before the Texas Bowl game kickoff and win another 40,000. \"Tis the season for giving."}, {"response": 105, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar 20, 2003 (23:26)", "body": "George beat us bloody. He was a better risk taker than I. Las Vegas is a waste of time for me!"}, {"response": 106, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar 20, 2003 (23:26)", "body": "sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 10, "subject": "College Football '96", "response_count": 12, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug  5, 1996 (08:06)", "body": "Athlon Sports Top 25 1. Tennessee 2. Nebraska 3. Notre Dame 4. Florida State 5. Colorado 6. Florida 7. Michigan 8. USC 9. Texas 10. Clemson 11. Virginia Tech 12. Penn State 13. Ohio State 14. Syracuse 15. Washington 16. Texas A&M 17. Alabama 18. Wisconsin 19. Miami 20. Northwestern 21. Auburn 22. Georgia Tech 23. East Carolina 24. Arizona State 25. Utah"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (22:55)", "body": "UT is 8th a lot of polls."}, {"response": 3, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sat, Aug 24, 1996 (23:40)", "body": "Tounge in cheek:I wonder if any U of M star players make it to the dressing room,let alone the Field ! Lets wait and see..."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (08:31)", "body": "Can you believe the Aggies blew it! Where is that awesome Aggies iron wall. BYU racked up over 500 yards passing and completed a clutch pass into the endzone with time running out and the Aggies in the lead. And then the Aggies cough up the ball on the next series. It was a great opening game (except for the outcome), good football to watch."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (14:12)", "body": "UT played a fine game against Mizzou. But they'll have to up it a level for Colorado, Notre Dame and some of their stronger up and coming opponents. I'll comment more in the Longhorns item."}, {"response": 6, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (16:50)", "body": "My top 25 1. Notre Dame 2. Penn State 3. Florida State 4. Florida 5. Colorado 6. Nebraska 7. Michigan 8. Tennesee 9. Ohio State 10. Syracuse 11. BYU 12. USC 13. Texas 14. Clemson 15. Virginia Tech 16. Miami 17. Alabama 18. Auburn 19. Washington 20. Northwestern 21. Wisconson 22. Georgia Tech 23. East Carolina 24. Air Force 25. Utah"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 1996 (23:54)", "body": "Whoa, Texas = slippage. Looks Notre Dame is shaping up as the Longhorns turning point."}, {"response": 8, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (09:13)", "body": "Terry, these are my picks for the entire season. What do yours look like??? Anyone else care to offer an opinion?? And yes, after Notre Dame and Colorado - Texas falls to 13."}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (11:15)", "body": "OK I'll think it over and make some picks."}, {"response": 10, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (12:57)", "body": "Hey since its so early in the season, maybe we can get Max, DD and the Kid to join in. Just to see how we fair by the end of the season."}, {"response": 11, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (14:58)", "body": "So before any of you start, yes the fumbling I mean fighting irish had a bad night, but they did WIN. Then again Vandy did return 9 starters on defense aand are a much better team than the Longhorns walkovers scheduled for weeks one and two."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (22:07)", "body": "Here's a look at the final bowl situation. All times - Pacific Sugar Jan. 2, New Orleans, 5 p.m., ABC Matchup: Florida State (11-0, ACC champion/Alliance No.1) vs. Florida (11-1, SEC champion/Alliance No. 2) Note: Rematch Bowl Fiesta Jan. 1, Tempe, 5:30 p.m., CBS Matchup: Penn State (10-2, Alliance No. 3) vs. Texas (8-4, Big 12 champion/Alliance No. 5) Rose Jan. 1, Pasadena, 2 p.m., ABC Matchup: Arizona State (11-0, Pac-10 champion) vs. Ohio State (10-1, Big Ten champion) Note: Can an Arizona State win be enough to gain them a share of the title if Florida State has a lackluster win? Cotton Jan. 1, Dallas, 10:30 a.m., CBS Matchup: Kansas State (9-2, Big 12 No. 2) vs. BYU (13-1/WAC champion) Note: BYU missed a spot in the Alliance, but this is still the first ever New Years Day bowl trip for a WAC team. Florida Citrus Jan. 1, Orlando, 10 a.m., ABC Matchup: Northwestern (9-2, Big Ten No. 2) vs. Tennessee (9-2, SEC No. 2) Gator Jan. 1, Jacksonville, 9:30 a.m., NBC Matchup: North Carolina (9-2, ACC No. 2) vs. West Virginia (8-3, Big East No. 2) Outback Jan. 1, Tampa, 8 a.m., ESPN Matchup: Michigan (8-3, Big Ten No. 3) vs. Alabama (9-3, SEC No. 3) Note: Good defensive matchup. Orange Dec. 31, Miami, 4 p.m., CBS Matchup: Nebraska (10-2, Alliance No. 4) vs. Virginia Tech (10-1, Big East champion/Alliance No. 6) Note: The biggest game in the Hokies' history. Independence Dec. 31, Shreveport, 1 p.m., ESPN Matchup: Auburn (7-4, SEC No. 5) vs. Army (10-1, at-large) Sun Dec. 31, El Paso, 11:30 a.m., CBS Matchup: Stanford (6-5, Pac-10 No. 3) vs. Michigan State (6-5, Big Ten No. 5) Holiday Dec. 30, San Diego, 5 p.m., ESPN Matchup: Washington (9-2, Pac-10 No. 2) vs. Colorado (9-2, Big 12 No. 3) Note: Great matchup. Should have been a New Years Day game. Alamo Dec. 29, San Antonio, 5 p.m., ESPN Matchup: Texas Tech (7-4, Big 12 No. 4) vs. Iowa (8-3, Big Ten No. 4) Peach Dec. 28, Atlanta, 5 p.m., ESPN Matchup: Clemson (7-4, ACC No. 3) vs. LSU (9-2, SEC No. 4) Copper Dec. 27, Tucson, 6 p.m., ESPN Matchup: Utah (8-3, WAC No. 2) vs. Wisconsin (7-5, at-large) Note: Wyoming finished 10-2, but since Utah has more fans, the Utes were invited before Wyoming even played BYU in the WAC championship game. Carquest Bowl Dec. 27, Miami, 4:30 p.m., TBS Matchup: Miami (8-3, Big East No. 3) vs. Virginia (7-4, ACC No. 4) Liberty Bowl Dec. 27, Memphis, 12:30 p.m., ESPN Matchup: Houston (7-4, Conference USA champion) vs. Syracuse (8-3, Big East No. 4) Aloha Bowl Dec.25, Honolulu, 12:30 p.m., ABC Matchup: California (6-5, Pac-10 No.4) vs. Navy (8-3, at-large) Note: Middies lost to their biggest rival and wound up with a trip to Honolulu instead of Shreveport, Louisiana. Big 12 put 2 teams in the alliance and only had 5 total teams eligible for bowls anyway so they lost their slot in this bowl. Las Vegas Bowl Dec. 19, Las Vegas, 6:30 p.m., ESPN Matchup: Ball State (8-3, Mid-America champion) vs. Nevada (8-3, Big West champion) Note: Nevada brings one of the best Offensive systems in the nation into the game against a team known for defense. The Vegas Bowl is usually one of the few really entertaining games of the Bowl season. Make sure to tune in! Payout: $150,000 per team source: Go Nevada! tkiriluk@well.com sports conference | Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 11, "subject": "NFL '96 - pro football", "response_count": 70, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug  7, 1996 (16:40)", "body": "The Niners have brought back Bill Walsh in a coaching role under George Siefert. And I hear Rice and Young have had a long *pre-preseason* series of practices. Young can really throw the ball to Rice and, if these guys have been doing extra practice, watch out! This team and he Packers could give the Cowboys a tough challenge this year."}, {"response": 2, "author": "oplion", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (18:42)", "body": "I don't think JJ can turn the D\"s around this year.If history can repeat it self,look for the Dolphins to give a hard time to teams that least expect it (Bears not undefeated).I think 9'es,and possible Dallas,(just for you guys) will be there at the end. I still say Cox will fail with the Bears,and the Dolphins new kicker will set a new F-G record.The guy has a great leg. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (23:55)", "body": "Who is this new kicker?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (19:43)", "body": "Terry; As you by now know,Stoyo is gone,and Joe Nedley a southpaw (can you use that term?)is our new Kicker.He consistently boots the ball to the end zone(one of Stoyo\"s problems) missed only one of 8 fg's in the preseason. JJ's special teams coach will have to work on puttins the ball inside the red zone to make him Great..Well Shula is gone and only a hand full of oldies remain,now Wayne has done put more money in his pocket by changing the name of JRS..Ha..Ha..acronym now is PPP.20mil over 10yrs,even I could live on that.Watch the announcers pronounce Peter piper picked..well you get the drift.Fruit of the loom, Now thats the name they should have used.{off topic} read Yapp and wonder why no wrap here yet,sure would make it easier to post! Looks like you had a JOB getting this site done..Congrad's. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 29, 1996 (12:15)", "body": "Stay tuned later today for Max and my picks for week one of the NFL season. We discussed these on Max's morning show today. And the \"no taunting\" rule is in effect for the winner. If you want to enter your picks, go ahead before the games start this weekend. Week One! Almost here!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 29, 1996 (17:58)", "body": "OK, here they are. Max Miller's picks and mine. Chosen over the air on Max's morning show. Week One NFL Picks Paul Max Arizona at Indy Indy Indy Atlanta at Carolina Atlanta Atlanta Cinncy at St. Louis StLouis Cinncinnati Detroit at Minnesota Minn Detroit Kansas City at Houston KC Kansas City Oakland at Baltimore Balt Oakland Phila at Washington Wash Phila Pitts at Jacksonville Pitts Pitts Green Bay at Tampa Bay Gr Bay Gr Bay New England at Miami Miami Miami New Orleans at San F SF SF NY Jets at Denver Denver Denver Seattle at San Diego SDiego SDiego Buffalo at NY Giants Buffalo Buffalo Dallas at Chicago Dallas Dallas"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 1996 (10:07)", "body": "And two more entrants, Dribblin' Dick and John, the 13 year old kid from Round Rock, make their picks. As discussed on the air a few moments ago: Week One NFL Picks Dribblin' John Paul Max Arizona at Indy Indy Indy Indy Indy Atlanta at Carolina Carolina Carolina Atlanta Atlanta Cinncy at St Louis St Louis Cinncy St Louis Cinncinnati Detroit at Minnesota Detroit Minnesota Minnesota Detroit Kansas City at Houston Houston Kansas City Kansas City Kansas City Oakland at Baltimore Baltimore Oakland Baltimore Oakland Phila at Washington Phila Phila Wash Phila Pitts at Jacksonville Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Gr Bay at Tampa Bay Green Bay Green Bay Green Bay Green Bay New England at Miami New England New England Miami Miami New Orleans at SF SF SF SF SF NY Jets at Denver Denver Denver Denver Denver Seattle at San Diego San Diego Seattle San Diego San Diego Buffalo at NY Giants Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo Dallas at Chicago Dallas Dallas Dallas Dallas OK, next up for picks!"}, {"response": 8, "author": "kym", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 1996 (11:27)", "body": "Arizona Atlanta Cinn Detroit Houston Oak Phila Pitts Tampa Miami SF Denver San Diego NY Giants Dallas"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 1996 (11:33)", "body": "Winner gets a free web page. Except for Max, who already has a web page and Kym, who is a web page designer. We'll think of a prize for them. (an ice cold Bud for Dribblin' Dick?). Or if you already have a web page we'll give a web page to someone you designate in your name."}, {"response": 10, "author": "fgoodwin", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 1996 (20:53)", "body": "Arizona at Indy Indianapolis Atlanta at Carolina Carolina Cinncy at St Louis St Louis Detroit at Minnesota Minnesota Kansas City at Houston Kansas City Oakland at Baltimore Oakland Phila at Washington Philadelphia Pitts at Jacksonville Pittsburgh Gr Bay at Tampa Bay Green Bay New England at Miami Miami New Orleans at SF San Francisco NY Jets at Denver Denver Seattle at San Diego San Diego Buffalo at NY Giants Buffalo Dallas at Chicago Dallas Promo: Check out my Cowboys Page GO COWBOYS!!"}, {"response": 11, "author": "oplion", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 1996 (22:28)", "body": "Ok guys here's the winning picks(gloating before the game is allowed?) ahem... Indy Atl Rams Detroit K.C. Balt. Wash. Pitt.(like Jax) G.B. (don't like Tampa) Of course....Mia. S.F. Denver. Diego Buff.(Don't like) Well Hmmm. Dallas (like) A shot in the dark,first game jitters can reck a game plan. Barry S. said \"me thinks maybe by the 4th or 5th game we'll be there.\" any comments on that?Jimmy Johnson is expecting special teams to win for the Fin's at the start,I don't see hard experience(only 14 from last year) and a bunch of rookies,but you guy's know how Jimmy does stuff.Hey save a Bud for me! jjftlaud"}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug 31, 1996 (11:22)", "body": "You can still put picks in up until the kickoff of the first game, which is noon Sunday. The tv schedule: Sunday: Eagles at Skins noon ? Chiefs at Oilers noon NBC Pats at Dolphins 3 pm NBC Bills at Giants 7 pm TNT Monday night: Cowboys and Giants! ? pm ABC Catch Dribblin' Dicks show at 4 pm Monday for an update on all the picks. And check this website. We'll see who the winner of the website is going to be. Remember, if you already have a website you can donate your winning to someone of your choosing. We'll give it to them in your name. Sorry, we're not giving away a Corvette or anything but perhaps we can find a local sponsor for a prize at one of our upcoming picks. Good luck everyone, you'll need it against my picks (chuckle)."}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 1996 (18:24)", "body": "Update - With 8 correct picks so far and looking at the rest of the games, I'd say it would be a safe bet to say Fred Goodwin is the winner of this weeks picks. So Fred, you may get a free website on the Spring or get to donate one in your name to whatever person/organization you choose. And we'll throw in one hour of design services. Final results will be posted right after the Cowboys game Monday night and another (more detailed) update will be posted later today."}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 1996 (18:50)", "body": "Actually, John is not yet ruled out from a tie for the win in the unlikely event that the Patriots come back in the Miami game and Seattle beats San Diego. With Miami and San Diego both leading, it doesn't seem likely. Miami's ahead 24-10 in the 4th with an injury timeout. Miami has a running game! Look out rest of the league!"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 1996 (09:45)", "body": "The winners (not including the Cowboys game, but everyone picked Dallas): r name wins avg 1 Fred 12 0.857 2 Paul 11 0.786 3 Drib' 10 0.714 4 JJ 10 0.714 5 John 9 0.643 6 Max 9 0.643 7 Kym 4 0.286 game dick john paul max jim fred kym Arizona 13 at Indy 20 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 Atl 6 at Carolina 29 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 Cinn 16 at St Louis 26 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 Detroit 13 at Minn 17 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 KC 20 at Houston 19 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 Oakland 14 at Balt 19 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 Phila 17 at Wash 14 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 Pitts 9 at Jacksonv 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Gr Bay 34 at TampaBay 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 New Engl 10 at Miami 24 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 New Orleans 11 at SF 27 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 NY Jets 6 at Denver 31 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 Seattle 7 SanDiego 29 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 Buffalo 23 at NY G 20 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 Dallas at Chicago d d d d d d d"}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 1996 (09:46)", "body": "Congratulations Fred!"}, {"response": 17, "author": "oplion", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 1996 (14:14)", "body": "Whoh back this truck up! Was that my Fin's, I rubbed my eyes several times,even pinched myself, (exhale NOW Jim) Hope this is the start of ..(casablanca). I would have finished(if..if..if..) in first place had I not changed from Carolina and Jax. I suspect the D'boys will have a tought time tonight with the bears. I'm gonna pay special attn. to Brian Cox (former Fin) Well's there's allways next week. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 18, "author": "oplion", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 1996 (14:18)", "body": "Oh, how about the rookie Zack Thomas WOW like Offendahl don't you think? he's going to be one of the best,if he stays healthy at least at middle linebacker.Good luck Dallas."}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 1996 (14:20)", "body": "Ya, you should have gone with your gut instinct! Everyone here went with the Cowboys so it won't affect the rankings in our little straw picks. There is next week and I'll post next weeks picks as soon as they become available. Everyone make sure I got your scores correct ok? Go Cowboys!"}, {"response": 20, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (01:19)", "body": "Neon Deion; Great effort,Emmit, hope not seriously hurt, Brian Cox, well except for his first touchdown,same old same old,The man is good ,but if you look at him hard,..He does slack off, He's no Deion. Dallas had a hard time in the timing routes,and certinly lacked in defense. PLAY of the game (love it ) fake punt...... maybe next week...jjftlaud"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (15:38)", "body": "That game was painful. I hope Emmitt is ok. I had a much better time watching the Longhorns game this weekend. It looked like an extension of the preseason game debacles the Cowboys have been having. OK boyz, the preseasons over! Wanstadt (can you spell it?) coached a great game. He really caught the Cowboys with their pants down with that fake punt that ended up a long gain passing play. Well, after all, he went to Jimmy Johnson school. What was Switzer thinking to keep Emmitt in the game with the Cowboys out of contention *and* having him do a headfirst *dive*? Am I implying that Wannstadt outcoached the Switz'? Yep. My advice. Next week use Herschel more. Aikman and the other stars have to cut down on their mistakes."}, {"response": 22, "author": "fgoodwin", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (22:56)", "body": "Should I rest on my laurels, or go for it again? What the heck, here goes: 'Pokes over Giants Vikes over Falcons Bills over Pats Broncos over Seahawks Colts over Jets Jags over Oilers Chiefs over Raiders 'Fins over Cards Panthers over Saints Steelers over Ravens Chargers over Bengals 'Niners over Rams Bears over 'Skins Oh well, it (the lead) was fun while it lasted! GO COWBOYS!!"}, {"response": 23, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 1996 (11:52)", "body": "I hope I can get in on the picks. Are you just picking week by week or will you keep an overall season average. If you are keeping a season average, I would like to jump in and take one less loss than the worst person of the first week. I know that I'm only starting with 3 wins, but I have faith that I will make it up by the end of the season. My picks this week are: GIANTS VIKINGS BILLS BRONCOS COLTS JAGUARS OAKLAND MIAMI CAROLINA RAVENS BENGALS 49ers REDSKINS"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (00:57)", "body": "Hey, Kym just moved up to 2nd place. OK you're in. I'm calling Dribblin' Dick and Max for their picks tomorrow. And Josh may possibly make some picks this week. I'll make my picks tomorrow."}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (01:15)", "body": "So, here are week two's matchups: Baltimore at Pittsburgh Carolina at New Orleans Chicago at Washington Houston at Jacksonville Indy at NY Jets Minnesota at Atlanta New England at Buffalo Oakland at KC Tampa Bay at Detroit Cinncinnati at San Diego Denver at Seattle NY Giants at Dallas St Lous at SF Miami at Arizona Phila at Green Bay"}, {"response": 26, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (10:22)", "body": "I left out my pick for the Bucs/Lions matchup. Boy, I'm looking forward to watching this unless I can find a 4 day english cricket match on TV somewhere!!! But as I have to pick and Detroit is at home, and if they lose they could finally get rid of that bum of a head coach. And I did hear that 1 of the 4 Tampa fans lives in Austin. I'll take ....................De NO NO NO I'll take the one and only TAMPA BAY BUCS"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (19:09)", "body": "OK hot off the airwaves, Dribblin' Dicks picks: Chiefs Steelers Falcons Buffalo Colts Lions Skins Saints Oilers Cowboys 9ers Seahawks Chargers Miami Packers Good luck Dribblin'!"}, {"response": 28, "author": "oplion", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": "Ok; So It's a little early to call the super bowl,so for week two..... Balt Carolina(good thing there away this week.. Chicago Jax(gut feeling) Jets Buff. K.C. Det. Cinny Seahawlks (sorry guys) Giants S.F. Ummmm....Miami Green Bay oh yeah Minny.."}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (09:03)", "body": "I just got off the line with Max Miller at KFON 1490 am and he has made his picks: Chiefs Baltimore Atlanta Buffalo Colts Detroit Bears Carolina Jacksonville Cowboys 49ers Denver San Diego Miami Green Bay JJ says too early for the Superbowl, give it a few more weeks? Maybe we could have early picks and later have a 2nd chance pick. It might be interesting to see how the Superbowl choices change later on in the season. Anyone care to make a bold prediction?"}, {"response": 30, "author": "tvu", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (09:59)", "body": "My picks for this week *Baltimore at Pittsburgh Carolina at *New Orleans *Chicago at Washington *Houston at Jacksonville *Indy at NY Jets Minnesota at *Atlanta New England at *Buffalo Oakland at *KC Tampa Bay at *Detroit Cinncinnati at *San Diego *Denver at Seattle NY Giants at *Dallas St Lous at *SF *Miami at Arizona Phila at *Green Bay"}, {"response": 31, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 1996 (18:29)", "body": "OK, brace yourselves, here is the KFON AM 1490 mega mega picks: oa ba mn ne in tb ch ca oi dl sl dn ci mi ph kc pt at bf jt dt wa no jt ng sf se sd az gb JohnRR k b m b i d c c o d 4 d c m p Jim1 o p m b i d c c o d 4 d s m p DDD k p a b i d w n o d 4 s s m p Roy k b m b i d w c o n 4 d s m p Paul1 k b m b i d c c o d 4 d c m p Marty k b a b i d w c j d 4 s s m p Brian1 k b m b i d c c o n s d s m p Jeff o p a n i t c n o n 4 s s m g John2 k b a b i d c n j d 4 d s m p Jim2 k b a b i t w c o d 4 s c m p Joe k b a b i d c c o d 4 s s m p David k p a b i d w c o d 4 s s m p Brian2 k b m b i d c c j d 4 d c m p Robert k b a b i d c n j d 4 s s a p Joseph o p a n j d w n j d s s s m p John3 k p a n j d w c o n s d s m e Sean k p m b i d w c j d 4 d s m g Paul2 k b a b i d w n o d 4 d s m g Max k b a b i d c c j d 4 d s m p I'm Paul1 in this scenario. DDD is Dribblin' Dick. RR refers to Round Rock (as in John the 13 year old from Round Rock. The rest of these I assume are various staffers and DJs at the 4 station comglomerate that KFON is a part of (eg. KHFI/KPEZ/KEYI/KFON). The clear channel folks. And Dick informs me that some of these are other listeners."}, {"response": 32, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sat, Sep  7, 1996 (13:10)", "body": "I like Max's idea of an early pick and a chanch to repent later,but why keep it limited to just the Super Bowl? We could pick the divisonal winners,and just for a tie breaker we can throw in Wild Card choices.I was going to change one of my picks for sunday but that cost me last week,so I stand pat. jjftlaud *I can't wait to see the\"Zack Attack\" (new nickname) for Zack Thomas."}, {"response": 33, "author": "cooldude", "date": "Sat, Sep  7, 1996 (13:47)", "body": "PITT over BALT HOU over JAX INDY over JETS BUFF over N.E. K.C. over OAK CAR over N.O. CHI over WASH ATL over MINN DET over T.B. S.D. over CINN SEA over DEN DAL over NYG SF over STL GB over PHI"}, {"response": 34, "author": "jody", "date": "Sat, Sep  7, 1996 (15:54)", "body": "PITT over BALT JAX over HOU INDY over JETS BUFF over N.E. K.C. over OAK CAR over N.O. CHI over WASH MINN over ATL DET over T.B. S.D. over CINN DEN over SEA DAL over NYG SF over STL GB over PHI"}, {"response": 35, "author": "lydle", "date": "Sat, Sep  7, 1996 (18:42)", "body": "Here my picks: Pitt NO Wash SD Seattle Houston Ind Atl Buff Dallas KC SF Det Arizona GB Dallas KC SF Det"}, {"response": 36, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Sun, Sep  8, 1996 (13:31)", "body": "Here's my picks: Miami Dallas Minnesota Buffalo Denver Detroit Indianapolis Jacksonville Kansas City Carolina Baltimore San Diego San Francisco (won't beat the line) Chicago and Philadelphia"}, {"response": 37, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  8, 1996 (15:32)", "body": "The picks are now closed for this week. I'm getting ready to check in on a few games"}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  9, 1996 (00:27)", "body": "And the winners prior to Monday nights game. Sean is in the lead with a three way tie for second among David, Jim1 and Roy. Dribblin' Dick tied for 5th with 8 others including yours truly and Fred, the defending champ. If the Eagles beat the Packers, there will be a 4-way tie for first place with all 4 having 13 wins. If the Packers win, Sean will be the clearcut winner with 14 out of 15 wins. It looks like Sean, David, Jim1 and Roy better predict the point spread in case the 4-way tie materializes. Fred better pick the Monday Night winner before the game starts, he also forgot to pick the Detroit - Tampa Bay game. A few other folks forgot to pick some games, so next week *count* your picks and make sure you have 15 total games and whatever the total is supposed to be for that week. Let's see how this shakes out, it ain't a done deal for Sean yet."}, {"response": 39, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (10:51)", "body": "Just stopped by to see the standings of this weeks picks, guess I'll come back later."}, {"response": 40, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (13:07)", "body": "Come back later, there are so many entrants that we may need to get Price Waterhouse to validate the results."}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (15:53)", "body": "OK. It's done. Make your picks in the new topic set up just for NFL '96 picks. I beleive it's topic 19. College picks in topic 20."}, {"response": 42, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 16, 1996 (15:12)", "body": "Jim, Your fins looked great once they got over the initial shock of finding out that contrary to popular belief, 2 jets actually can play the game and another two have some ability. Just looking forward to your fins actually playing a contender to see just what kind of team they are. Three walkovers just havn't convinced me yet! But I will say that I love watching an NFC style offense and defense in the Amature Football Conference. Terry is is possible to start cleaning up some of the residue from the past and making the files shorter to read??????"}, {"response": 43, "author": "oplion", "date": "Mon, Sep 16, 1996 (21:56)", "body": "As every NFL(not for long)team,coach and armchair quarterback knows a win is a win.The Fin's win is an example of how coaching can change the momentum of a game(something lacking in the fin's past few years).Networks (T.V.) stood fla. up by not showing a second game on sunday.They kept saying stay tuned for the 'boys,then put on a sports show.I would have rather watched the game(dal+g.b.) Games that keep your attention to the a winning field goal attempt in the final seconds are what keeps us watching the game.Heart broken as you guys in Tx. are,could be worse...you could be a N.Y.fan... jjftlaud"}, {"response": 44, "author": "slowhand", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (19:36)", "body": "Since I've never been here before I would like to bring a topic up for discussion...Why is Emmitt Smith always injured?? I feel that either this guy is faking these injuries or he screams when he moves the wrong way. One day he is hurt and the next day he is practicing. If he is really hurt then he should not play or work out. Thanx for this location to vent my frustration with the Cowboy's."}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 19, 1996 (07:53)", "body": "The Emmitt hurt syndrome gets way overplayed. But maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt. After all, the guy gets pounded a lot . . . but please, no more stupid head first dive tricks."}, {"response": 46, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep 19, 1996 (10:37)", "body": "My personal belief is he just craves the attention, If you pay attention to all the so called injuries Emmitt has claimed to have had, they always seem to happen during or following a loss. This way he keeps the press mentioning his name (with injury) without mentioning the loss."}, {"response": 47, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (15:53)", "body": "Cryboys, 9ers, Packed all fall in the same week, Parity????? Luck????? Cowboys looked like S _ _ T. Is this the end of the road. After starters, no quality backups. Starters can't perform, entire team falls in disarray. Can Michael make a difference??? Cowboys could be 1-4 before he gets back. Playoffs now questionable!!!!!!! Packers, no spunk, no drive, looked like a different team. What team will be there next week, Coaches need to ride the team all week and get the confidence back they had first 3 weeks. Vikings had something to prove after Overlooked by sportscasters. Could be 9-0 before a tough game. Will only need 10 to make playoffs from looks of the NFC. 9ers stumble from overconfidence. Just like Packer, no drive, no desire. Once again outcoached by Carolina. Carolina actually 10-4 for last 14 games. Best in NFL. Definite playoff material. Could actually be the darkhorse for the Super Bowl. Schedule favors them for next 6 games. Washington, Division Champion???? Don't count them out they seem to have the WANT TO PROVE SOMETHING again. Winning the close ones makes all the difference."}, {"response": 48, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (06:46)", "body": "This is has definitely been Upset Weekend, especially for us Horns, Cowboys and Niners fans. And Green Bay falling. And now Miami!"}, {"response": 49, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (15:08)", "body": "Don't laugh yet, just think about this for a while....... Minnesota, Washington, Carolina, Division Champs Green Bay & Philadelphia Wild Cards NO 49ers, NO Cowboys ------- Green Bay over Phily Green Bay over Washington Minnesota over Carolina Minnesota over Green Bay Pittsburg, Kansas City, Indianapolis Division Champs Buffalo, Miami Wild Cards Buffalo over Miami Kansas City over Indianapolis Buffalo over Pittsburg Buffalo over KC Minnesota-Buffalo ??????? Super Bowl OK you can all laugh !!!!!!!! But just how funny is it???????????"}, {"response": 50, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (22:51)", "body": "Worst nightmare come true Marino hurt..Rats..Don't like Kosar,and Erickson as a backup's backup leaves a bad feeling in my gut. I was hoping for a good matchup on jj's return to Dallas,now I'll just have to watch jj get boo's and Fin fans get the blues..Mr.M has a broken bone in the ankle,well they called it a fracture. Terry; is anyone compiling results of our picks,we need a program to keep track of win/loss % and such,has that gone from the program? jjftlaaud"}, {"response": 51, "author": "joshd", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (23:48)", "body": "Personally, I'm really beginning to question myself on picks. \"Minnesota? Hah! Green Bay'll clobber 'em!\" \"Dallas? They'll come back, don't worry--even if you don't want them to.\" It's almost enough to make me keep my big mouth shut."}, {"response": 52, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (16:48)", "body": "This week: Car at Jac Den at Cin Det at TB Hou at Pit Min at NYG NO at Bal Oak at Chi Atl at SF GB at Sea KC at SD StL at AZ NYJ at Wash Dal at Phi My picks: Car, Den, Det, Pit, Min, NO, Oak, SF, GB, KC, AZ, Wash, Phil"}, {"response": 53, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (16:49)", "body": "Whoops, wrong topic... Sorry."}, {"response": 54, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 1996 (02:28)", "body": "From Norman Chad: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Go to NFL Section Jerry vs. Jimmy: Ready, Set, Ego > > Go to Sports Section By Norman Chad > Washington Post Columnist > Friday, October 25, 1996 > > In the annals of time, there have been > precisely nine mano-a-mano duels of > unmatched sound and fury: Samson vs. > Delilah, capitalism vs. communism, > Alexander Hamilton vs. Aaron Burr, > creationism vs. evolution, Coke vs. Pepsi, > Burt Reynolds vs. Loni Anderson, Beta vs. > VHS, the Road Runner vs. Wile E. Coyote and > Ted Turner vs. Rupert Murdoch. > > And, now, of course, Jerry vs. Jimmy. > > Here are brief profiles of the two > principals in Sunday's Cowboys-Dolphins > cataclysm: > > Jerry Jones, 54: smooth talker, slick > salesman, big ego, perpetual winner, loves > the camera and the sideline, played > football at Arkansas, fired Tom Landry, > \"owner monster\" in George Steinbrenner > mold, would run for governor of Texas if he > thought he had the votes, likes oil. > > Jimmy Johnson, 53: smooth talker, slick > salesman, big ego, perpetual winner, loves > the camera and the sideline, played > football at Arkansas, succeeded Tom Landry, > \"coach monster\" in Pat Riley mold, would > run for governor of Florida if he thought > he had the votes, likes mousse. > > In this fairly even matchup of redoubtable > rascals, the Cowboys have the edge - they are > the better team, plus their coach, Barry > Switzer, and many of Johnson's former > charges would love to tattoo his tail. In > fact, if the Cowboys win, they might carry > Switzer off the field. (If the Dolphins > win, Johnson will carry himself off the > field.) > > Somebody's got to lose. > > But, believe you me, it ain't gonna be > Jimmy. > > If Johnson were to lose this game, he'd > waive every Dolphin - Dan Marino included - by > midnight. He wants this victory more than > JFK Jr. wanted a prenup. These days, Jimmy > looks at Jerry the same way Peter Graf > looks at a tax collector. The Dolphins are > three-point underdogs at home. I'll > double-down on Miami and take the points. > > (Coaching Fodder: Interestingly, when the > Bengals' Dave Shula got the call Monday to > tell him he was fired, he was on the other > line with DePaul's Joey Meyer.) > > (Coaching Folly: Rick Venturi? He was > 1-31-1 at Northwestern and 1-10 with the > Colts. I guess he interviews well.) > > (Free Tip to NFL Teams: If you hitch > yourself to Jeff George's wagon, expect a > flat tire.) > > As always, the following point-spread picks > should not be used as the basis for any > actual cash wager: > > Panthers at Eagles (-4): > Novelist Anatole France once wrote, \"It is > human nature to think wisely and act > foolishly.\" Which somewhat explains how The > Man, on the one hand, believes that > tax-free municipal bonds are the safe way > to go while, on the other hand, runs down > the middle of the street bug-eyed and > bare-chested shouting, \"Carolina is Super > Bowl-bound!!!\" Pick: Panthers. > > 49ers (-6) at Oilers: > To celebrate George Seifert's 100th > coaching victory Sunday, 49ers dumped a > bucket of '94 Beringer Napa Valley > Chardonnay on his head. . . . Sparing no > expense in signature Eddie DeBartolo > fashion, 49ers now script all plays on > cloth napkins. Pick: 49ers. > > Buccaneers at Packers (-18): > Tampa Bay WR Alvin Harper lost a portion of > the tip of his left middle finger when an > assistant trainer inadvertently cut him > with a pair of scissors. This is what > medical consumer groups would call \"a bad > referral.\" Pick: Buccaneers. > > Jets at Cardinals (-4): > Say what you will about Rich Kotite - the > word \"loser\" pops to mind - but you can't go > 3-28 over your last 31 games unless you're > in there fighting for every three-, 10- and > 21-point defeat. Pick: Cardinals. > > Chargers (-1) at Seahawks: > The good news is that the Seahawks offense > has embarked on a 12-step program to reduce > mistakes. The bad news is that most > Seahawks linemen can only count to 10. > Pick: Chargers. > > Rams at Ravens (-68): > You can't turn a soprano into a tenor. > Likewise, you can't turn a penalty-plagued, > sack-filled, offensively challenged, poorly > coached St. Louis team into a winner. Pick: > Ravens. > > Bills at Patriots (-4): > Patriots to abandon huddling in favor of > \"video conferencing.\" . . . Bills QB Jim > Kelly was taken aback Tuesday when he > visited a wax museum - and saw himself. Pick: > Patriots. > > Jaguars at Bengals (-3): > Dave Shula exits with 19-52 record; Bruce > Coslet enters with 26-39 record. This is > like trading in a Ford Pinto for a Dodge > like trading in a Ford Pinto for a Dodge > Dart. Pick: Jaguars. > > Steelers (-5) at Falcons: > If Jeff George is the biggest reason for > Falcons' 0-7 start, June Jones is at least > an \"unindicted co-conspirator.\" Pick: > Steelers. > > Giants at Lions (-11): > Giants are so beleaguered, at halftime they > don't go to locker room, they retreat to"}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov  1, 1996 (07:01)", "body": "reprinted by permission of . . . GLENN MAR / 3e150z / 510-824-5054 / mailto:gbmar@pb1.pacbell.com We're at the halfway point (more or less), and this year's NFL season has seen some big surprises... GOOD ---- Mark Brunell 500 more yards than anyone else and not much help Vinny Testaverde 10 TDs in the last 3 games, 334 yard average? Mike Tomczak Career backup seizes his chance and does well Terry Allen The bionic man has 13 TDs - on a record pace Terrell Davis Already broken 1000 combined yards Rickey Watters OK, he is as good as he thought. Too bad for us. Jerome Bettis Gonna eat up some Rams this weekend James Stewart 766 combined yards, 7 TDs, and Natrone sits Jamal Anderson Best young stiff-armer in the league Ernest Byner \"I'm not dead yet\" Eddie George Impact rookie of the year. Adrian Murrell 199 yards rushing last week!!!? Tony Martin Reaching the premier class Michael Jackson 632 yards, 7 TD's - he's keeping his promise Derrick Alexander 6th in NFL in yards not bad for a \"who?\" Keenan McCardell 727 receiving yards also not bad for a \"who?\" Charles Johnson Did you see that one handed catch two weeks ago? Keyshawn Johnson A punk, but the impact rookie receiver of the year Wesley Walls Good thing we kept Popson, at least John Kasay Panthers the new Saints - all D and FG's BAD --- Jeff Blake Was it Shula? First week looks like maybe. Carl Pickens Ditto. Warren Moon Finally got too old? Steve Young Finally breaking down? Dan Marino Only 6 TD passes - dinosaur breakdown Jeff George What an idiot Lawrence Phillips Rookie disappointment of the year Tim Biakabutuka His replacement does better, albeit against patsies Ki-Jana Carter See Shula Rashaan Salaam Just too slow for the NFL Aaron Hayden SD dumped Means for this? Anthony Miller Getting replaced by Ed McCaffery Darnay Scott Just runs flies - hey, Al Davis wants him! O.J. McDuffie Only veteran WR on Miami and he can't get it going Andre Rison Doesn't like the way he looks in Cal colors Eric Metcalf Don't think it's all injury J.J. Stokes Lower your sights, fans Michael Westbrook Redskins keep winning on the ground Jeff Jaeger Once such a big foot, now a big misser"}, {"response": 56, "author": "mickey", "date": "Tue, Nov 12, 1996 (11:02)", "body": "terry, i like the football picks that you were doing, i would like to get in that also. will you e-mail me mspeer@midway.k12.mo.us info on how to enter it. i would appreciate that. oh, i think that K.C. WILL LOSE TO SAN DIEGO AND DALLAS WILL BEAT THE PACK BECAUSE THE PACK IS NOT BACK THIS YEAR. MY FIRST NAME IS MICHAEL."}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (22:45)", "body": "Will Denver win the Superbowl this year. Do they have a hex? You judge. 1986 -- They lose to the Giants (even though they were ahead 10-9 late in the 3rd quarter) because their undersized defensive line is eventually worn down by the Giants running attack. 1987 -- They lose to the Redskins (even though they led 10-0 at the start of the quarter from hell) because they overcommit to overpursuit to stop the running game. Coach Gibbs is content to let Timmy Smith run counter after counter. 1989 -- They lose to the Niners (well, okay, they were never ahead in this one) because their safeties do not have the cover skills or speed to stop Rice or Taylor after the catch or any pass down the middle. But maybe this year is different. Sports Illustrated listed five reasons why this years Broncho team is superior to the Super Bowl runnerups of the past. Who do you think this years Superbowl will boil down to?"}, {"response": 58, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (00:38)", "body": "Denver had a 5th place schedule which was one the weakest in the league. I think Dallas has as good a chance as Denver of winning the superbowl. But with the AFC several teams (especially Denver) can make it to the bowl, but how many have a realistic chance?"}, {"response": 59, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (01:28)", "body": "So, bottom line Mike, who will make it to the Superbowl?"}, {"response": 60, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (20:53)", "body": "Bottom line, Denver vs. Green Bay. Denver only because they play at home but watch for the Steelers in the AFC and the Cowboys and 49ers in the NFC. Carolina will sink like a lead wieght, their schedule was easier than the Broncos ie Falcons, Saints, and Rams twice and the only quality team being a beat up 49er team, we will see what they are made of when the meet the Steelers."}, {"response": 61, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (23:34)", "body": "Novacek may be back? That may really help the Cowboys against the 49ers with a well rested (though perhaps a bit rusty) tight end."}, {"response": 62, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sun, Dec 22, 1996 (00:56)", "body": "Well the real season is about to begin. Even though the Steelers probably won't put up a real game, I still think the Panthers are over their head. The Packers are going to be tough to beat in Green Bay. As for the boys, who knows how well a good defense and medicore offense will take them."}, {"response": 63, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (22:01)", "body": "Who's going the be this year's Superbowl champ?"}, {"response": 64, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:08)", "body": "The Vikings."}, {"response": 65, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (23:20)", "body": "Vikings?"}, {"response": 66, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jun 18, 1997 (13:23)", "body": "The real skill will be show by the Packers...... the upset will be in the NFC playoffs 49er's in a close one by one with a last minute field goal then go on to defeat the raiders in the Super Bowl"}, {"response": 67, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 18, 1997 (15:52)", "body": "Raiders!!!"}, {"response": 68, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2005 (10:32)", "body": "Vick dissappointed. Brady can match Joe Montana's three superbowl vps."}, {"response": 69, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2005 (10:45)", "body": "xxxix The Philly nightmare is over. Patriots are back. Again, and again, and again."}, {"response": 70, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 27, 2005 (04:04)", "body": "Terrell Owens said Monday night that he believed he would play in the Super Bowl \"regardless of what anybody says.\" He apparently meant it. > http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/ny-speagles274127030jan27,0,5921332.story?coll=ny-football-headlines sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 12, "subject": "Major League Baseball '96", "response_count": 24, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug  7, 1996 (20:40)", "body": "Guess who's hot? The *Cardinals*. Without any relief pitching, they have gotten right into the thick of things."}, {"response": 2, "author": "max", "date": "Fri, Aug 16, 1996 (15:56)", "body": "Paul,.\u007f \u007fyoure nutz... Cubs all the way in '96! r\u007f."}, {"response": 3, "author": "max", "date": "Fri, Aug 16, 1996 (15:57)", "body": "Sammy Sosa, the major league's first 50-30 man!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 23, 1996 (03:57)", "body": "Sorry Max, Sammy's not to be (he got injured). Sorry to see Sammy get deprived because of the injury, but he may make a return in the final hour of this season. The cubbies are movin' up on my Cards! Look out!"}, {"response": 5, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (23:03)", "body": "I'll be the first to post in here for awhile.......I guess all the Ranger Fans have disappeared (Almost just like the Team!!) But, I won't post this just to piss y'all off only to say that MARINERS are only 1 GAME BACK. Seems the baseball gods are aligning with the M's as if perchance there is a tie, the game would be played in the King-DOOM(stRangers new name for Kingdome).....Anyway, there's only 8 and 10 games to be played by both teams, and its gonna be fun!!!!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 1996 (13:19)", "body": "The Braves and Yanks World series is rolling toward what may be an exciting finish, if the last game was any indication. Andy Pettites 1-0 shutout was one of the best games all year. And all the chops in the world couldn't get Atlanta a win at home in the last three games. Could the \"mighty Braves\" be ready to bite the dust. Ted and Jane, say it isn't so."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov  1, 1996 (12:03)", "body": "reprinted by permission ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard Bryant, Staff Writer San Jose Mercury News, 750 Ridder Park Dr. San Jose, CA 95190 Direct: (408) 920-5091. Fax: (408) 920-5917. E-Mail: ohmy@well.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- #234 of 235: Willie McGinest (ohmy) Wed Oct 30 '96 (15:35) 18 lines People have told me that my official status as a Red Sox fan should be permanently revoked because not only did I NOT have a problem with the Yankees winning the Series, but I was actually *rooting* for them. I stand by that. The NYT piece on the parade was great stuff and I think a Yankee WS win was about the best thing that could happen for the game. Baseball needed this. What the Lords do with it is another story, but I don't remember people talking about a WS like this for a long time. In addition, the NYT talked about the parade as another marker signalling the revitalization of the urban center, and I liked that. The idea of baseball as a unifying force _ subway fodder, etc.._ has been lost. This was really fun. And, I don't think this Yankee team had the loathsome characters of my past. I don't hate Williams, Charlie Hayes or especially Gooden. Nor Fielder, Jeter or even Wetteland. These guys aren't *Yankees* in the classic sense. They're just a bunch of great players who wear pinstripes. Maybe that's a sad part of today's game, though. Topic 790 [sports]: The 1996 World Series #235 of 235: Willie McGinest (ohmy) Wed Oct 30 '96 (15:36) 4 lines I guess to clarify, what I mean is to me, on first reference, Fielder is a Tiger, Gooden and Strawberry are tragic characters and Mets, Hayes is a journeyman, Torre is a national leaguer, etc... I just couldn't hate these guys. Thanks ohmy"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (10:02)", "body": "sports.357.93: Doubt All (josh) Sun 9 May 93 16:28 Bah. Baseball is the last sport left where the playoffs are for the BEST. At the other extreme, in the NBA and NHL you can get teams with losing records in the playoffs. The teams meeting each other in the early rounds have already proven their relative superiority over an extended season; long playoffs pretty much make the regular season an expensive and frustrating irrelevancy. Especially in baseball, where the regular season is 160-odd games -- why should a five-game series betwen Los Angeles and San Francisco, for example, mean more than the twenty games they played early on? Grummph. The sport suffers. quoted with permission of josh@well.com"}, {"response": 9, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:10)", "body": "Good comments Josh!"}, {"response": 10, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (00:18)", "body": "I'm sorry that this category has the caveat '96 in it, and I'm equally sorry that it's been over two years since anyone posted in a baseball category. I have to admit to shedding tears while watching the All-Century team introductions tonight before Game 2 of the 1999 World Series. I am also shocked at the uncalled-for prosecutorial tone taken by NBC's interviewer to one Peter Edward Rose, one of those selected by fans to be on the All-Century team, and the greatest pure hitter who ever lived. Baseball is the great American game, our national pastime, but contrary to the postulate of Field of Dreams , it is not perfect. From the segregated status of the majors in the first half of this century, which will never be fully made up for, to the continued travesty of the exclusion of Rose and \"Shoeless\" Joe Jackson from the Hall of Fame, the game is marvelous, but somewhat shy of perfect. But with the introduction of such luminaries as Rose, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Stan Musial, I fo nd myself unable to control the outpour of my emotions."}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (00:27)", "body": "Amen John!!! Truer words were never spoken - trite as it sounds, and the emotions were shared by at least one other Hilo resident. I have been a baseball fan forever (But, you knew that!) and the way they have handled Pete Rose is nothing short of a travesty. It is as dishonest as they proclaim him to be. Have you seen any of the greats play in person?"}, {"response": 12, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (01:38)", "body": "I've seen many great baseball players. I went to many games at Wrigley as a child. When I was quite young, the Cubs had Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, Billy Williams, and Lou Brock. Cubs and White Sox fans are almost mutually exclusive, but my uncle Ernie (not Banks) took me to a Yankees-White Sox game in 1964, where I caught a foul ball off the bat of Phil (Harmonica) Linz. Players in that game included Luis Aparicio for the White Sox and the vaunted 1964 Yankees, who signed my ball, including Mickey Mantle Roger Maris, Yogi Berra, Clete Boyer, Bobby Richardson, Elston Howard, Whitey Ford (who pitched), and Tony Kubek. Visitors to Wrigley that I've seen play included Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Maury Wills, Willie Davis, Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Don Sutton, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Orlando Cepeda, Juan Marichal, Bobby Bonds, Lou Brock (coming back to haunt us after being traded to the Cardinals), Stan Musial, Ken Boyer, Bob Gibson, Tim McCarver, Steve Carlton, Hank Aaron, Eddie Mathews, Lou Burdette, Joe Adcock, Nolan Ryan, Dick Allen, and Richie Ashburn. I also got to see Satchel Paige with a barnstorming team when I was a kid. Satch was in his late 50s and was playing a local semipro team, but my parents had told me stories about him as long as I can remember, so I was impressed that the old man had enough guile to pitch three innings and retire all nine of the local yokels he faced. When I was the P.A. announcer for the Hawaii Islanders, I saw both Tony Gwynn (a gentleman and a scholar and Barry Bonds (a horse's ass) play on a daily basis. And I've seen some pretty fair players while they were still playing college ball: Joe Carter Tyler Green and Darren Dreifort(Wichita State); Jeromy Burnitz (Oklahoma State); Glenn Braggs and Scott Karl (UH-Manoa); Will Clark, Rafael Palmeiro and Bobby Thigpen (Mississippi State); Roberto Kelly (Arizona State); Benny Agbayani (Hawaii Pacific University and of course, our late lamented Hilo Stars); and in the Hawaii Winter League: Gabe Kapler (West O hu Canefires), Onan Masaoka (Waiakea H.S. & Hilo Stars), Jason Giambi (Honolulu Sharks), and Japan's \"Pete Rose\", five-time Central League Batting Champion Ichiro Suzuki (Hilo Stars). I've been blessed to be able to see that many good to great players in person."}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (01:58)", "body": "Wow! That is amazing - and I thought I was going to amaze you! Before I was born (I cannot be that old!) I went to the Polo Grounds and watched the Pennant winning NY Giants play the Brooklyn Dodger and actually beat them for once. I got a ball signed by the entire team (which my mother threw away)- so I saw some of the same players as you did! I was a huge NY Giants fan - and was heart-broken when they went to San Frnacisco...!"}, {"response": 14, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (01:59)", "body": "Oh yes, Did you know that Ray's father's cousin was Honus Wagner?!"}, {"response": 15, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (03:02)", "body": "In the immortal words of Johnny Carson \"I did not know that!\" What a shame about the ball. I have mine wrapped in saran in a safe deposit box. It looks like the day it was signed. Lucky me. Hey seeing the Giants and the Bums at the Polo Grounds is impressive. And of course Russ Hodges' call of Bobby Thomson's home run off Ralph Branca \"the Giants win the pennant! (x4)\" is immortal. Ernie Harwell is working ESPN radio for the playoffs and World Series this year. He must be pushing 80, but is still mazing."}, {"response": 16, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (03:07)", "body": "And when the Giants moved to San Fran, our beloved Les Keiter wrote a big chapter of his own legend doing S.F. Giants recreates for the Big Apple."}, {"response": 17, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (03:08)", "body": "Incredible memories.. I was watching the game before a piano lesson and when Bobby Thonpson hit the home run I was totally out of control (for me) - my piano teacher sent me home...! I can still hear him saying what he said over and over and over - it had been so long in coming. Leo Durocher was Giants Manager at that time and I thought he was wonderful! (He behaved back then!) You are keeping your precious ball in precisely the right conditions. Most excellent! (was that whose voice it was - it has been MANY years since I heard him...!)"}, {"response": 18, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (03:12)", "body": "When Les was guest speaker at the annual Vulcan Booster dinner Ray bought me his book and I had his sign it and we discussed the polo Grounds and such...it was fun! Have you read it?"}, {"response": 19, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (04:22)", "body": "Yes. I emceed that night and Les signed a copy for me as well."}, {"response": 20, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (04:33)", "body": "...now that you mention it...Indeed he did! Fascinating speaker because he spoke of things I knew first hand. I think it was the only time that has happened with a guest speaker of any kind...He attended some of the same events I attended. I found that remarkable!"}, {"response": 21, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (04:35)", "body": "Who better than you to have been the EmCee?! The more I think of it - it just HAD to be! At the Yacht Club...I remember it well!"}, {"response": 22, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (19:55)", "body": "Early this morning as I was trying to awaken in the 5am dark I was listening to the Jay Mariotti (Sp?) show on the Honolulu station which carries him. He was defending Jim Gray (Sp?)who did that terrible interview with Pete Rose. Not a single caller in about 2 hours of my listening on and off (from 3am on)agreed with Mariotti and all thought the interview a fishing expedition - just as you did, John. I think this will not go away quietly. I hope it does not, anyway!"}, {"response": 23, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Jan 23, 2000 (04:39)", "body": "Well, I was asked about college baseball, and until there is a topic for it I will use the MLB topic. It was great to be out in the sun (finally!) with the new scoreboard working (finally!) and old friends and fans around me again. I watched the softball game against the alumnae while I listened to John do play-by-play for the baseball game going on a few miles away. We lost that game against U San Diego. I will get to see them play again Monday evening. My favorite time to watch a game. Let's see. Boiled peanuts and boiled soybeans are the order of the day and I shall have mine. If it gets cold I shall have some hot saimin. Ummm!!! Can't wait!"}, {"response": 24, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Jan 23, 2000 (04:40)", "body": "Goodness...I forgot to say who \"we\" are. The University of Hawaii at Hilo Vulcans is who we are. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 13, "subject": "Austin's first pro team - the Ice Bats", "response_count": 5, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug  7, 1996 (15:38)", "body": "I was in Mothers at the bar last night and one of the waitresses couldn't stop talking about the Ice Bats. She can't wait until they start playing. By the way, when does the local ice hockey season start?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (00:07)", "body": "I hear that there's a free exhibition coming up soon."}, {"response": 3, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (16:08)", "body": "Tonight's the first exhibition game. First regular season game? Oct 19th is the home opener... Check out the IceBats !!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:11)", "body": "Where's boyce these days?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (01:09)", "body": "Not sure. Still kayaking and making beer probably. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 14, "subject": "Tennis anyone?", "response_count": 13, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug  7, 1996 (15:41)", "body": "Why didn't Agassiz do better in the Olympics? Who *did* prevail in the Olympics finally?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 1996 (23:57)", "body": "The US Open's on now. Any comments that that?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (23:33)", "body": "Does anyone have a recommendation for a racquet?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "mgoblue", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (12:08)", "body": "I have lots of recommendations for racquets. I think the best \"type\" of racquet that you should get is a wide body racquet. This will enable you to generate 50-75% more power with the exact same stroke. Now the brand of racquet is a different story. Most tennis brands will have some type of widebody racquet. It all depends on the amount of money that you want to spent. If you tell me the amount of money that you want to spend, I can tell you several good brands of racquets to look into."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (20:28)", "body": "I hear Prince is pretty good. But I haven't checked out the latest stuff."}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 28, 1997 (23:59)", "body": "The US Open day four. Looks like the Martina Hingis and Pete Sampras show. Top seeded Sampras put on a clinic today. Sampras played some of the most exciting tennis I've ever seen him play. He's loose, relaxed and even a bit wild. Martina doesn't seem to come unhinged. She keeps rolling on."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 19, 1997 (11:35)", "body": "What's going on in tennis? Hingis just had her third loss, to Amanda Coetzer. This 5-2 phenom is having a great year. She's downed both number one players this year while they were number one. Impressive. Meanwhile, Venus Williams is one of the most exciting players on the horizon, I keep waiting for her major breakthrough. Don't get me wrong, I love watching Hingis play. The womens' game is very exciting right now. I still like McEnroe's idea of going back to wooden rackets, hey, I've still got mine. Where is this big serve game going? There's even a new racquet, which claims to be approved by the ITF, which is double-strung to make serves more rocketlike. I had a great talk last night with Scott McTeer, Austinite and former world ranked tennis player, who's wrapping up a tennis novel and supporting an exciting up and coming player (more about this later)."}, {"response": 8, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (17:24)", "body": "Is Scott planning a website?"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (18:56)", "body": "Glad you asked, stay tuned!"}, {"response": 10, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (17:48)", "body": "i agree with mac, re:wooden rackets... (hmmm, maybe mac oughta be like the \"commissioner of tennis\" or something... sure he could re-invigorate the game)"}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (18:04)", "body": "I've still got my trusty old wooden, Jack Kramer. But it would be hopeless for me. Only a good idea for the pros."}, {"response": 12, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (20:27)", "body": "i still have my john newcombe, as well... but yeah, i can't imagine using it now, either... stick with my oversized head (though i may dig the old one out, and hit against the machine a little bit, just to see what it feels like...)"}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 29, 1999 (16:51)", "body": "from Sports Biz Daily: AT AUSTRALIAN OPEN, MAURESMO'S SEXUALITY IS ALL THE BUZZ Women's tennis has been \"getting top billing lately,\" and the women's final of the Australian Open between Martina Hingis and Amelie Mauresmo is \"expected to attract greater attention than the men's final Sunday,\" according to USA TODAY's Doug Smith. WTA Tour CEO Bart McGuire: \"We have so many more marquee players and more depth.\" McGuire also acknowledged that \"sex appeal\" is a factor in the tour's popularity: \"I'm not the least apologetic about the fact that we have attractive people on the tour. You have to be careful to promote them tastefully and try to make sure that lines aren't crossed.\" Meanwhile, Mauresmo \"stirred a bit of controversy earlier this week when she announced she was\" at the tournament with her 31-year-old girlfriend, Sylvie Bourdon. But McGuire felt that won't hurt the Tour's image: \"You try to accept people for who they are. I hope that we will continue to be able to do that\" (USA TODAY, 1/29). In Toronto, Tom Tebbutt writes that \"all the focus\" at the tournament was \"about the 19-year-old French woman's sexuality.\" Tebbutt adds \"that a prominent French Tennis Federation official told Mauresmo there was nothing wrong with being gay but that she should tone down her liaison in public\" (Toronto GLOBE & MAIL, 1/29). In Boston, Bud Collins: \"It will take more than sniping to beat the cheerful, engaging Mauresmo, who has been straightforwardly casual about her personal life\" (BOSTON GLOBE, 1/29). sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 15, "subject": "KFON 1490 AM all sports radio for Austin", "response_count": 15, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug  7, 1996 (15:36)", "body": "I set up an area (not yet built) for a home page for Max at http://www.kfon.com And we're working on getting Max wired."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (22:58)", "body": "The latest, Max is getting *closer* to downloading Netscape, I sent a copy of CuteFTP down to the station yesterday. One more major hurdle for Max on the road to Net Surfin'."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug 26, 1996 (17:03)", "body": "Well, maybe two more. Max's past incarnation of AOL is inhibiting his efforts to get Netscape to recognize his Winsock version. If it were me at this stage, I would probably re-install Windows or put Windows 95 on that machine. Getting rid of an old AO L stack is not the easiest thing to do."}, {"response": 4, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (17:37)", "body": "Terry Does Max want to surf?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (17:40)", "body": "Terry Does Max want to surf? I'm no expert but I beleive(in dos) the deltree command will get rid of almost anything,even AOL. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (14:40)", "body": "Max got it figured out with an assist from Vern Six. He's cruising the next now via the Spring's ppp dialup connection."}, {"response": 7, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 1996 (12:21)", "body": "Well has Max got his own page or does he visit here like the rest of us. I would like to know how to send Max and Dick email, do any of you have their address? Also do they have a fax line? Max, if your out there, you do a lot of talking on your show between 7:30 & 9:00 AM. Is that because it is your format or that there is a lack of calls at that time. I would like to call in sometimes but waiting on the line for 15 to 20 minutes is out of the question for me. Your show is good but I would like to hear more opinions from other callers. Then your show would be great."}, {"response": 8, "author": "max", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (11:30)", "body": "Come one, come all to Sportsfan 1490! Call the morning show (with me) between 7 and 9, or the afternoon show (with Dribblin' Dick Dickerson) between 4 and 7. Afternoons are a little busy, but you can almost always get through right away on the morning show."}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 27, 1996 (12:48)", "body": "Subject: the \"fabulous sports babe\" comments by mailto:ralf@well.com (Adonis Terry) Is anybody else hearing about the huge controversy that has been created by the new book by Nancy Donnelan (sp?) (better known as the \"Fabulous Sports Babe\" of ESPN Radio)? I read a week or two ago in the Sports Business Daily that the book was laced with gratuitous profanity and vulgarities of various kinds, and that The Walt Disney Company (new parent of Cap Cities - ABC - ESPN) was very disturbed. One quote was, \"She may have just written herself out of a job.\" I must admit to a certain knee-jerk reaction that the Mouseketeers would be mellower about it if she were a guy. But I have not seen the book, and I suppose I should reserve judgement until I do. Does anybody here listen to her show? I have never heard it -- I have seen a couple of magazine articles about her, which make up the totality of my knowledge on the subject of the Fabulous Sports Babe (great nickname, though!). I also heard, from an anonymous source, that the babe's last job before ESPN was in Seattle at KJR sports talk radio. Reports are that she was awesome but her show went down hill when she took it national on ESPN. When ESPN came to her about the job she went to her boss Barry Ackersely (who also owns the Sonics) and asked him if she could talk to ESPN about the job. Barry said sure. When ESPN offered her the job, Ackersely wouldn't let her out of her contract. The Babe went ballistic on the radio calling Ackersley a liar and a few other choice words. She started up a whole \"Free the Babe\" campaign on KJR. Even George Karl would call in and end his interview with \"Free the Babe\". Ackersly finally fire her due to insubordination. The majority of the announcers on KJR really bad mouth the babe now. It gets really ugly. They make very disparaging remarks about her weight (the babe is quite portly), her sexual preferences and her appearance. It is on very poor taste."}, {"response": 10, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 1996 (22:58)", "body": "I listen to her every once in a while on KFON, her main job I guess is the radio and she also does the thing on ESPN-2. Have not heard anything recently on her radio show."}, {"response": 11, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 1996 (23:04)", "body": "Now that daylight savings is here and the sun goes down around 5:30 I've notice that KFON is almost impossible to get out the 183 corridor. Really sucks, cause now I can't hear the velvetly voice of Dribblin Dick after around 5:45. Wonder why that is?"}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 1996 (03:42)", "body": "You might try a radio with a more sensitive receiver. The GE SuperRadio ($40 or so) at Best Buy works pretty well in fringe areas. Are you inside an office building?"}, {"response": 13, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 1996 (22:06)", "body": "Thanks for the reply. No, it happens at home and I live near 183 and 620. Only happens after the sun goes down oddly enough and it happens at home as well as in my car after the sun goes down when anywhere in NW Austin, might try your suggestion since I can't get KFON at work in Pflugerville either, thought about getting a better antennae at home but listen to the radio most in my car."}, {"response": 14, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 1996 (01:11)", "body": "If you guys are skeptic about the BABE, you should check out another talk show on approximately the same time as her. He is Jim Rome, and his show is great. I live in San Marcos, and when I'm not working in Austin, I hear him from time to time on the TICKET in San Antonio. His show is also simulcast on RealAudio everyday, at www.JimRome.com. I think KFON should think about signing up as an affialte to his show. Have a take and don't suck, OUT!!"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 1996 (07:50)", "body": "I like the babe. I just wish her interviews were more in depth. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 16, "subject": "Great sports web sites", "response_count": 26, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (00:57)", "body": "I heard about these today from vard@well.com: The playoff picture, updated nightly, at http://www.well.com/user/ruz/playoff.html The wildcard and home field advantage rules, at http://www.well.com/user/ruz/wildcard.html Dribblin' Dick alert: The ex-Cub factor page, at http://www.well.com/user/ruz/excub.html My favorite is Fred Goodwin's Cowboy site, elsewhere mentioned."}, {"response": 2, "author": "oplion", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (15:24)", "body": "As a newley released player from aol training camp,it's obvious something serious was wrong with that team.As a free agent now I'm testing the market.I am a great special teems player,and to that end I will be available to listen to Texas talk.Howevre I must warn you that The Miami Dolphins now have Jimmy Johnson.Were yall gald to see him leave? :-) As a Floridian I am a dolphin fan to the end,however the Dolphins must play against someone. As said befor I am a new release and shall be looking for an IRC with the florida teams in mind.Mean while Play Ball!"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 15, 1996 (09:04)", "body": "Good to have you aboard Jim. No, I wasn't glad to see Jimmy Johnson go. I thought it was a stupid ego battle and the guy won us two Superbowls."}, {"response": 4, "author": "oplion", "date": "Thu, Aug 15, 1996 (12:40)", "body": "Terry: Having been a Don Shula Fan all my football life,I can understand what Coach Johnson had to deal with in(Jones) Dallas.Seeing him leave the UofMiami,Well he did get a good offer. Down here We had The oppsite of Jones,Joe Robbie.Don't get me wrong I do like the fact we have the Dolphins,but listing to J.J. on the news and reading his comments in the paper makes a person wonder if leaving Dallas was all his fault.Seems like Jones has a mind of his own.Anyway getting used to a new coach after so long leaves me wondering.....J.J Florida."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (22:59)", "body": "Hey JJ, speaking of web sites, what are some of your favorites? Besides http://www.spring.com of course!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sat, Aug 24, 1996 (23:08)", "body": "Terry; Check out [ Http://www.linknet services.com/reelnative].aiuen@ gate.net does the site work.Names Ann Iuen,drop here a note and say Hi...!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (08:38)", "body": "I'll check this out and the updates on Freds site (already mentioned in the Cowboys item)."}, {"response": 8, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (14:22)", "body": "I must warn you it's a fishing in Florida page.Fishing is a sport down here,terry...! jjftlaud"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug 26, 1996 (17:23)", "body": "We fish around here when there's water in the lake (not much right now). Uh, that url was a little broken up. What to try posting it again?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (10:50)", "body": "Ok terry Maybe I'l get it right this time.. http://www.linknetservices.com/reelnative The writer....aieun@gate.net I haven't talked to Ann this week,she said something like moving her pages,If this url doesen't work I'll go to the horses mouth.. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 11, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (10:54)", "body": "I have got to the page using that url,However she did move .. Http:/www.reelnative.com I think it's a cool fishing page. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (12:51)", "body": "OK fishing web site. You might as well send the creator of this website an invitation to add a link to this item so that folks who visit her site can talk about fishing. She can add this link if she likes: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/public/read/sports/16 This allows folks to start reading right away without having to sign in or have an account yet."}, {"response": 13, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (17:33)", "body": "Terry; I think you and Ann Iuen speak the same )&%*&^*%$*HJBKI if you get my drift.I'll tell her to expect a e-m from you,she is very cordial, somewhat like you.jjftlaud"}, {"response": 14, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (17:42)", "body": "Terry; I think you and Ann Iuen speak the same )&%*&^*%$*HJBKI if you get my drift.I'll tell her to expect a e-m from you,she is very cordial, somewhat like you.jjftlaud"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (14:43)", "body": "One of the more innovative sports sites is the java driven http://www.instantsports.com Not only do you get eh scores, you get a java image of the action in as near to real time as they can deliver it. You get to see the runners get hits and advance soon after the actual plays. One of our strategic partners, Federico Brown, played a role in getting this site together. They may be planning similar sites for other sports."}, {"response": 16, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 1996 (11:38)", "body": "Terry; I checked out the Ballpark,and wouldn't you know it,I have installed Netscape 3.0 Gold and it doesn't talk their language.So I'll just stick around High Way 21 with you guys!"}, {"response": 17, "author": "LilburnDawg", "date": "Wed, Jan 22, 1997 (08:39)", "body": ""}, {"response": 18, "author": "LilburnDawg", "date": "Wed, Jan 22, 1997 (08:43)", "body": "Howdy! Just found your site. Quite interesting. I'm adding it as a link at my bulletin/message board \"index\" site. Check out my site to find sports \"talk\" boards nationwide. If anyone knows of additional URL's that I don't have, please let me know at jc-uga@doglover.com Give this a try: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/4167 Thanks, Jack Campbell (Lilburn Dawg)"}, {"response": 19, "author": "LilburnDawg", "date": "Wed, Jan 22, 1997 (08:44)", "body": "Howdy! Just found your site. Quite interesting. I'm adding it as a link at my bulletin/message board \"index\" site. Check out my site to find sports \"talk\" boards nationwide. If anyone knows of additional URL's that I don't have, please let me know at jc-uga@doglover.com Give this a try: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/4167 Thanks, Jack Campbell (Lilburn Dawg)"}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 22, 1997 (22:13)", "body": "Thanks Jack, I'll check out your site."}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (21:56)", "body": "A great site: http://pathfinder.com/si/sionwomen/index.html It's Sports Illustrated's site on women in sports. It represents months of work and is worth visiting."}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (22:49)", "body": "Now, we have a \"classic sports network\": http://www.classicsports.com"}, {"response": 23, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:12)", "body": "Is NBA.COM any good?"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (01:09)", "body": "It's a pretty good site. Sportszone is probably better coverage."}, {"response": 25, "author": "firstandone", "date": "Sat, Jan 10, 1998 (23:03)", "body": "Check out the sports links at http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/sportzcraze/page2.html from baseball to umpires."}, {"response": 26, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jan 10, 1998 (23:24)", "body": "Will do. Got any other favorite sports sites? sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 17, "subject": "Don Shula's next Job.", "response_count": 8, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 20, 1996 (11:29)", "body": "I heard him on the \"Babe\" show on the way over here just now and he said he's getting DirecTV and is going to kick back and flip through the channels and enjoy all the games at home."}, {"response": 2, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 20, 1996 (17:06)", "body": "Can't blame him for that,I'm sure he saw the rain comming,and rather than stay on the sidelines or in Waynes box seats it was another classic Shula apperance in Fl.He comes in, is greeted by almost everyone, and bows out before the press can hogtie him.Almost like Dale Earnhart does to keep from being swamped by fans.A real class act. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 20, 1996 (18:55)", "body": "I wonder if he's on retainer from DirecTV. He sure was plugging it hard on the Fabulous Babe show today on 101sports. Overall, he came off like a real class guy. I have to check my schedule to see if Dallas and Miami play this year and, if they do, what the date is going to be."}, {"response": 4, "author": "oplion", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (16:30)", "body": "It's always possible that Dir/tv is who he's plugging now,although I still see Ford commecials(maybe five years or more on TV down here). Haven't seen or heard from him on the dir/tv thing.You know he lost his wife(cancer) and has a new\"other\"now.Wouldn't supprise me if you were right Terry.I'm sure though he will be going to some team next year. Well Stoyo to the KC's,I was wrong on that one ,but he did go.Whats the latest on Dallas?Usely \"D\" is in the news more than conference teams. May I be so uninformed as to ask Who is the \"Babe\" I should know? more news @ six jjftlaud"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (17:37)", "body": "ESPN's \"fabulous sports babe\" who has a daily show here in Austin on KFON and nationally on the 101sports network. Dallas news? Check over at the Dallas Cowboys item, I'll try and post some recent stuff there. Keep us posted on any more Don Shula developments."}, {"response": 6, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (01:24)", "body": "Just heard there's a party being given to honor Don Shula's \"hall\" of fame wall at JRS. The 72's unbeaten team is in it. Paul Warfield,and Larry Zonka,are there.(Only guy I know who's last name starts with \"Z\") It's an invite only affair,and reports say the cost of the bash is nesring $1,000,000.They didn't invite me ;I can't understand why...! jjftlaud"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (08:39)", "body": "Your invitation must have gotten lost in the mail."}, {"response": 8, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:13)", "body": "Bring back Jim Johnson! sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 18, "subject": "NASCAR Racing", "response_count": 8, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "oplion", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (17:14)", "body": "The numbers are too close to call a winner (Bristal) could bump a few of the top(within the circuit)out of the next IROC, This means some good drivers have fell to the \"Earnhart Bump\".He gets away with it in every race,but he is a good driver.I look for him to come on strong in the last races. R.T in NC. Gentelmen start your engines!"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (17:38)", "body": "Cool, a car racing item. Not my biggest sport but it's good we have an item. Maybe I'll get up to speed on this now."}, {"response": 3, "author": "oplion", "date": "Fri, Aug 23, 1996 (20:28)", "body": "Terry; My friend Bob is from North Carolina,and as such you must excuse him. Dolphins over the Bucks!!!!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (00:06)", "body": "The D's did the Bucks,and our new kicker(don't tell Terry) is doing a great job.K.C. is getting Stoyonovich,and for a draft pick! almost unheard of in the NFL(not for long)Terry do you know his name yet? jjftlaud"}, {"response": 5, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (01:35)", "body": "I purposely put that tid-bit here so Terry wouldn't get upset,I know Tx is his domain.Today Rusty Wallace(my driver) won the Bristil 500. This didn't set Earnhart or Gordon back much. Nine races left in the Winston circuit...Jarrett still leades and should win! jjftlaud"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (08:42)", "body": "I'm not upset, especially since you're back \"on topic\". You're definitely in the running for the obscure topics trophy at our annual awards banquet."}, {"response": 7, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (14:19)", "body": "What will you be serving,and make sure theres a stamp on the invitation. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug 26, 1996 (17:21)", "body": "Not beef jerky. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 19, "subject": "NFL '96 picks", "response_count": 67, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (10:58)", "body": "Arizona Cardinals @ New England Patriots---PATS Baltimore Ravens @ Houston Oilers---OILERS Detroit Lions @ Philadelphia Eagles ---EAGLES Minnesota Vikings @ Chicago Bears ---BEARS New Orleans Saints @ Cinncinati Bengals ---BENGALS New York Jets @ Miami Dolphins ---FINS San Diego Chargers @ Green Bay Packers ---PACK Indianapolis Colts @ Dallas Cowboys ---POKES Jacksonville Jaguars @ Oakland Raiders ---RAIDERS Kansas City Chiefs @ Seattle Seahawks ----CHIEFS Washington Redskins @ New York Giants ---SKINS Tampa Bay Bucaneers @ Denver Broncos ---BRONCS Buffalo Bills @ Pittsburg Steelers ----BUFFS"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (13:51)", "body": "Thanks for leading off, so 13 total games this week. When is the kickoff for the first game? Anyone know?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "oplion", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 1996 (01:24)", "body": "Week #3 cards oilers lions bears saints fins diego pokes jag's k.c. broncs buff"}, {"response": 4, "author": "oplion", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 1996 (01:28)", "body": "Week #3 cards oilers lions bears saints fins diego pokes jag's k.c. broncs buff I guess S F & Atlanta aren't playing"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 1996 (07:46)", "body": "OK my picks New England over Arizona Houston topples Baltimore Philadelphia finishes off Detroit Minnesota mauls the Bears Cinncinnati sinks New Orleans Miami messes up the Jets Green Bay gouges San Diego Dallas destroys Indy Oakland overhauls Jacksonville KC kills Seattle Washington wipes out the Giants Denver delivers destruction to Tampa Bay Buffalo beats the Steelers"}, {"response": 6, "author": "lydlemike", "date": "Sat, Sep 14, 1996 (12:27)", "body": "Arizona Cardinals @ New England Patriots---New England Baltimore Ravens @ Houston Oilers---Houston Detroit Lions @ Philadelphia Eagles ---Detroit Minnesota Vikings @ Chicago Bears ---Chicago New Orleans Saints @ Cinncinati Bengals ---Cinncinati New Y ork Jets @ Miami Dolphins ---Miami San Diego Chargers @ Green Bay Packers ---Green Bay Indianapolis Colts @ Dallas Cowboys ---Dallas Jacksonville Jaguars @ Oakland Raiders ---Oakland Kansas City Chiefs @ Seattle Seahawks ----Seattle Washington @ N.Y. iants --- Washington Tampa Bay @ Denver --- Denver Buffalo @ Pittsburg --- Pittsburg Washington Redskins @ New York Giants ---SKINS Tampa Bay Bucaneers @ Denver Broncos ---BRONCS Buffalo Bills @ Pittsburg Steelers ----BUFFS"}, {"response": 7, "author": "lydlemike", "date": "Sat, Sep 14, 1996 (12:29)", "body": "Sorry, scratch the picks from Washington Redskins @ New York Giants -- Skin on the one ones before that are my picks, the ones including that game and after are not the picks mike l"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 15, 1996 (09:43)", "body": "I'll post the picks from the fax I got from KFON as soon as I get them entered."}, {"response": 9, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Sun, Sep 15, 1996 (12:06)", "body": "here's my picks: Eagles, Cowboys, Bears, Saints, Broncos, Packers, Oilers, Chiefs, Dolphins, Pats, Jags, Giants, and Steelers"}, {"response": 10, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (14:48)", "body": "We playin' this week? Denver@KC - KC Green Bay@Minn - GB NYG@NYJ - NYJ Wash@StL - Wash AZ@New Orleans - AZ SF@Carolina - Carolina Seattle@TB - Seattle Jack@NE - NE Dal@Buf - Buf SD@Oak - Oak Chi@Det - Det Phil@Atl - Atl Mia@Indy - Mia"}, {"response": 11, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (16:10)", "body": "only 13 again this week My picks are Kansas City Green Bay New York GIANTS Washington New Orleans San Francisco Tampa Bay New England Buffalo Oakland Chicago Philadelphia Miami"}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (08:34)", "body": "Ma' pix (and x - where Max differs) as you may have heard on Max's radio this morning (1490 am KFON). We disagree on four games. Saints sink AZ Chiefs cream Denver Packers over Minnesota (my gut says otherwise) Pats put away Jacksonville Jets jettison Giants 9ers put out Panthers Bucs scuttle Seahawks x - Cardinals upset Redskins (going against the grain here) Detroit dusts off Da' Bears Dallas defeats da' Bills x - Raiders roust Chargers x - Falcons flatten Philly x - Miami (upset) messes up the Indy Colts (go JJ!) Now, when the fax comes in I'll post it up here. I hear that there are 30 picks this week over KFON's listener line."}, {"response": 13, "author": "lydlemike", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (22:57)", "body": "Denver@KC - KC Green Bay@Minn - GB NYG@NYJ - NYJ Wash@StL - Wash AZ@New Orleans - NO SF@Carolina - SF Seattle@TB - Seattle Jack@NE - NE Dal@Buf - Dal SD@Oak - Oak Chi@Det - Det Phil@Atl - Atl Mia@Indy - Indy"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (22:59)", "body": "Here's a summary of the fax we got from KFON which adds 30 more entrants: The KFON listerner picks (see key below) abcdefghijklmnop 0100101110000 1 John 0100111011100 2 Thos 1110110100100 3 Nick 0100110111000 4 Marty 0100110101010 5 Mike1 1100111010110 6 Mike2 0101100100001 7 Robt 0110101110011 8 Jordan 1000100111101 9 John 0100110110110 10 Bryan 0111101111011 11 Jim 0010111100111 12 Mort 0010100011001 13 Eddie 0000111101100 14 Jeff 1100100111001 15 Erin 0101101010101 16 Shane 0100110110001 17 Mark 0100110010100 18 Tim 0110110010001 19 Chainsaw 0100111110001 20 Jay 0100110110100 21 Galen 0100110010100 22 Roy 1000101000011 23 Chris 0100010010001 24 Richard 0110010111101 25 Rod 0110110100000 26 Bill 0010110110000 27 Keith 0110111111110 28 Joe 0000110101100 29 David 0110100100101 30 Be key a nyj 0 nyg 1 b sf 0 caro 1 c az 0 no 1 d seat 0 tb 1 e wa 0 stl 1 f jac 0 ne 1 g chi 0 det 1 h sd 0 oak 1 i dal 0 buf 1 j phil 0 atl 1 k mia 0 ind 1"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (23:02)", "body": "Mike's post beat mine by 2 seconds! Guess we're both stuck inside because of these heavy rains. I hope the above post isn't too cryptic. Postings close down with the kickoff of the first NFL game this weekend."}, {"response": 16, "author": "oplion", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (23:06)", "body": "Well; newer newbee's,bring them on,but I don't think you should allow wholesale picks..after all WE do have to remember this is not a Radio Show,We have computers...! Let them in if you must, howerever How can you give a web page to a radio listner..? nuff said.PICKS. Grreen Bay Card's Bucks Skins San Fran Kansas Jets Lions Jax San Diego Buff Philly Umm...Dolphins"}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (23:19)", "body": "It's ok for radio talk show listeners to make picks. We got this in by fax. Let's see if someone comes up with a perfect score this week. By the way, here's a summary of the KFON 30 picks: GB 25 Miami 5 Det 7 KC 23 Jets 19 NYG 11 SF 29 Caro 3 AZ 2 NO 28 Sea 10 TB 20 Wash 17 StL 11 Jack 9 NE 21 Chi 9 Det 21 SD 19 Oak 11 Dallas 15 Buff 15 Phil 22 Atl 8 Mia 15 Indy 15 Hmmm, not many Dolphins supports out there. And look at that Cowboys split. The Niners get the most votes."}, {"response": 18, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (17:53)", "body": "Here's my first go at the picks: NO over AZ GB over Vikes Giants over Jets 49ers over Panthers Seattle over TB Skins over Rams Lions over Bears Cowboys over Bills J'ville over NE SD over Oak Philly over Atlanta JJ's Team over Colts"}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (18:33)", "body": "Are you missing a couple of games?"}, {"response": 20, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (09:24)", "body": "Here's my picks: Dallas New Orleans Denver Green Bay Jets San Francisco Washington Chicago Tampa Bay New England Oakland Philadelphia Miami"}, {"response": 21, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (14:06)", "body": "I just got in and realized that I left out a pick, so if its okay my missing pick was KC over Broncos, and I honestly haven't watched any of the game so I don't even know who might be winning!"}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (14:28)", "body": "OK we believe you. But no more exceptions. The games are underway now and I'm kicked back watching the Packers lose the to Vikings. It's still early though. I told Max when I made my pick that my gut said Minnesota. 14-7 Vikes at the half. And, holy cow, the Panthers have the Niners down 14 to zip. Skins over Rams 10-0 in the third. Giants 7 and Jets 6 in the 3rd. Pats over Jags in the third. Some early returns at the half of the FOX game one."}, {"response": 23, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (12:24)", "body": "Cool, 8-4 for me... There must be something wrong with that key on the fax picks, though, It looks like everybody chose Carolina, whereas the totals indicate only 3 did."}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (14:33)", "body": "I'll fix that."}, {"response": 25, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (15:53)", "body": "This week: Car at Jac Den at Cin Det at TB Hou at Pit Min at NYG NO at Bal Oak at Chi Atl at SF GB at Sea KC at SD StL at AZ NYJ at Wash Dal at Phi My picks: Car, Den, Det, Pit, Min, NO, Oak, SF, GB, KC, AZ, Wash, Phil"}, {"response": 26, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (16:43)", "body": "Carolina Denver Detroit Pittsburg Giants Baltimore Chicago San Francisco Green Bay Kansas City Arizona Washington Philadelphia"}, {"response": 27, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (18:18)", "body": "Okay, I tallied the non-fax participants: boyce 8-5 Max,oplion,Mariner 7-6 TJ, lydle 6-7 Terry,bnbstat 3-10 As for the faxed ones, the key must be wrong. Are you gonna fix it, terry?"}, {"response": 28, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (18:24)", "body": "To make tallying easier, I would appreciate it if y'all would submit your picks in one line, in the order that I post them (Response 25), using the three letter codes as follows: AFC east - Ind, Buf, Mia, NE, NYJ cent - Hou, Pit, Bal, Cin, Jac west - KC, Den, SD, Oak, Sea NFC east - Phi, Was, AZ, Dal, NYG cent - Min, GB, Det, Chi, TB west - Car, SF, StL, Atl, NO Thanks!"}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (10:27)", "body": "I'll fix it and fax you this weeks fax from KFON."}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (11:58)", "body": "boyce. Here's the info you need to sort out those picks so we can come up with a cumulative season total: http://www.spring.com/~boyce/nfl And Max's Picks from this morning: Carolina Denver Detroit Pitts Minn Balt Oakland SF Gr Bay KC St Louis Washington Phila"}, {"response": 31, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (11:59)", "body": "I'll make my picks later. I'm still analyzing."}, {"response": 32, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (23:33)", "body": "Here are my picks: Car Cin Det Pit Min Bal Chi SF GB KC AZ Wash Phi"}, {"response": 33, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 1996 (10:17)", "body": "boyce2, Am I to understand that you will do the dirty work of tallying all of our picks for the year?If so I don't mind following your format. My picks: Pit,Bal,KC,Den,Oak,Phi,Was,Min,GB,Det,Car,SF,Stl"}, {"response": 34, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 1996 (10:44)", "body": "Here's my picks: Carolina Denver Detroit Pittsburgh Minnesota Baltimore Chicago San Francisco Green Bay Kansas City Arizona Washington Dallas"}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 1996 (11:55)", "body": "OK, we're down in the final hour and these are my picks. *Car at Jac *Den at Cin *Det at TB *Hou at Pit *Min at NYG *NO at Bal *Oak at Chi Atl at *SF *GB at Sea *KC at SD *StL at AZ NYJ at *Wash *Dal at Phi"}, {"response": 36, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 1996 (12:27)", "body": "Was about impossible to read some of the names on the fax, so some of them are guesses that'll get ironed out in the future, doubtlessly... Here are the week 5 finals: Jay 11 Mario 11 Tim 11 Beer 10 bnbstat 10 Scott 10 TJ 10 yjohn 10 Iris 9 jt 9 Sprman 9 Biff 8 Bryan 8 D 8 Harris 8 Jeff 8 mlydle 8 Richard 8 Big Mike7 boyce2 7 DDD 7 elsie 7 Greg 7 LYB 7 Mark 7 matt 7 max 7 Nick 7 oplion 7 Shane 7 So Back 7 Alan 6 brian 6 Cary 6 Chainsaw6 Doug 6 terry 6 Whly 6 ag 5 josh 5 Teddy 5 Valeria 5"}, {"response": 37, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 1996 (12:32)", "body": "I'll put together a 5 week total soon... A question that we'll be wanting to think about: In picking an overall winner, do we want to accommodate people that haven't participated the whole time? For example, we could take people's best w/l totals for their best say, 12 weeks. Or we could do the best winning percentage for all the picks turned in, but that has the disadvantage of benefitting those who haven't played except for one good week. Post proposals here, as well as name corrections if you know 'em... Thanks."}, {"response": 38, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 1996 (14:13)", "body": "I took a beating in week one, because I joined in week 2...... Best possible way is to go whole season the same way. Everyone on equal footing. People starting late and want in on the whole season take 1 less win then the lowest person and start from there."}, {"response": 39, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 1996 (14:25)", "body": "I'd set a certain minimum number of games picked, at least half say to qualify for the season championship. That way folks could conceivably enter up to midseason, but not just coast by on a few weeks."}, {"response": 40, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 1996 (15:04)", "body": "So 8 games? That sounds good to me... People who played in week one and every week thereafter stand to carry a huge advantage if we go TJ's way. Here's another possibility that my freinds use in their pool: Assume that any unspecified pick follows the line printed in the paper. That takes care of any errors that people make (not picking an individual game accidently) And even if you miss a whole week, it's not a huge price to pay. I think this method may be a little generous, but it'll keep more people in the hunt, and since this is just a friendly game, why discourage participation? If you really want to include a minimum number of weeks, that'll work too. Eight and ten both seem like fair minimums to me..."}, {"response": 41, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (13:43)", "body": "Week 6: Atl at Det Car at Min GB at Chi NE at Bal Oak at NYJ Sea at Mia Ind at Buf Jac at NO SD at Den SF at StL Hou at Cin Pit at KC Again, please put your picks in one line, seperated by commas, using the order and abbreviations above. Thanks."}, {"response": 42, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (13:49)", "body": "Det, Min, GB, NE, Oak, Mia, Ind, Jac, SD, SF, Cin, KC"}, {"response": 43, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 1996 (10:54)", "body": "Det, Car, GB, NE, NYJ, Mia, Buf, Jax, Den, SF, Cin, KC"}, {"response": 44, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 1996 (11:39)", "body": "Det,Min,GB,NE,Oak,Mia,Ind,Jac,Den,SF,Hou,Pit"}, {"response": 45, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 1996 (11:50)", "body": "Okay, week 4 is now compiled. Overall standings will be continually updated at NFL Totals I'll be doing a week backwards each week, so you'll be able to see results from weeks 3-6 sometime next week, 2-7 after that... Problem: Not too many of the fax people play every week..."}, {"response": 46, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Fri, Oct  4, 1996 (22:28)", "body": "I tried to get on DD\ufffds show to enter the picks, but had to go to a high school football game. Anyway here are my picks: Det, Min, GB, NE, Oak, Mia, Ind, NO, Den, SF, Hou, KC"}, {"response": 47, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 1996 (11:06)", "body": "Oct.6th game picks: Det,Min,GB,NE,Jets,Mia,Buff,Jax,Diego,SF,Hou,Pitt...Only 12 games this week! Boice2 is this the order you want?"}, {"response": 48, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct  6, 1996 (13:26)", "body": "Det, Min, GB, Bal, Oak, Mia, Ind, Jac, SD, SF, Hou, KC Gotta go with my favorites: Minnesota, SF, KC, Houston and San Diego. The others I'm less interested in and less sure about. Check out the pick up game topic, next Sunday we're having a pickup flag or touch football game in Zilker Park."}, {"response": 49, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (16:14)", "body": "boyce2 6-6 TJ 6-6 bnbstat 9-3 Mlydle 9-3 oplion 8-4 terry 6-6 Fax?"}, {"response": 50, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (16:37)", "body": "We'll have to get the results later, my fax is down for now."}, {"response": 51, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Oct  9, 1996 (17:50)", "body": "Week 7: AZ at Dal Chi at NO Cin at Pit Hou at Atl Mia at Buf Min at TB NYJ at Jac StL at Car Was at NE Det at Oak Phi at NYG Bal at Ind Sf at GB Mine: Dal,Chi,Cin,Hou,Buf,Min,NYJ,Car,NE,Det,Phi,Ind,GB"}, {"response": 52, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Thu, Oct 17, 1996 (13:11)", "body": "For week 8: KC, Dal, Mia, Ind, Car, Was, Den, Buf, SF, Jac, Pit, AZ, Oak"}, {"response": 53, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Fri, Oct 18, 1996 (23:40)", "body": "Week 8 picks: KC, Dal, Phi, Ind, Car, Was, Den, Buf, SF, SL, Hou, AZ, SD"}, {"response": 54, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Thu, Oct 24, 1996 (23:00)", "body": "Week 9 picks:Phi,Was,Cin,Det,Pit,Bal,Hou,GB,Dal,Den,AZ,SD,NE,Min"}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 1996 (01:21)", "body": "And, the current picks, courtesy of the newspaper: pros ==== 49ers +5 OILERS RAVENS +6 1/2 Rams Steelrs +5 1/2 FALCONS LIONS +10 Giants PACKERS +17 1/2 Bucs REDSKINS +2 1/2 Colts EAGLES +4 1/2 Panthers BENGALS +3 Jaguars Cowboys +3 DOLPHINS BRONCOS +3 1/2 Chiefs Chargers +1 1/2 SEAHAWKS CARDS +4 1/2 Jets PATRIOTS +4 Bills VIKINGS +6 1/2 Bears college ======= CAL +2 Ucla Arizona St +14 STANFORD Syracuse +11 1/2 BOSTON COLL VA TECH +30 1/2 Pitt TENNESSEE +15 Alabama N'WESTERN +12 Illinois MICHIGAN ST +3 Wisconsin RUTGERS +1 Temple Navy +13 1/2 WAKE FOREST Maryland +7 DUKE NEBRASKA +33 Kansas TEXAS A&M +1 1/2 Texas Tech Penn State +15 INDIANA S Carolina +3 1/2 VANDERBILT BAYLOR +7 Iowa State UTAH +14 Tulsa MISSOURI +4 Oklahoma St AIR FORCE +32 Hawaii Ohio State +14 IOWA KANSAS ST +19 Oklahoma LOUISVILLE +7 Cincinnati byu +15 1/2 TCU COLORADO +10 1/2 Texas FLORIDA ST +17 Virginia San Die St +4 COLORADO ST Washington +6 1/2 OREGON Fresno St +16 UNLV usc +3 1/2 WASHINGTON ST N Carolina +22 HOUSTON W VIRGINIA +3 Miami Fla Georgia +16 KENTUCKY Michigan +13 MINNESOTA LSU +19 Miss St So Miss +11 TULANE New Mexico +2 SMU Rice +5 UTEP ARIZONA +19 1/2 Oregon St Penn +6 BROWN Columbia +3 YALE Army +1 MIAMI O Ball St +2 C MICHIGAN PRINCETON +5 Harvard Dartmouth +8 CORNELL Bowl Green +1 OHIO TOLEDO +8 1/2 W Michigan Nevada +16 NORTH TEXAS E MICHIGAN +13 Kent NO ILLINOIS +5 Akron UTAH STATE +4 1/2 Idaho MISSISSIPPI +24 Arkansas St SW LA +1 Memphis"}, {"response": 56, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 1996 (22:53)", "body": "My picks, Phil, Dall, Wash, Cin, Den, Det, Ari, Pitt, Balt, Sea, SF, GB, NE, Minn"}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 1996 (04:40)", "body": "Sunday's Games Jacksonville 21Cincinnati 28 Indianapolis 16 Washington 31 NY Giants 35 Detroit 7 St. Louis 31 Baltimore 37 Pittsburgh 20 Atlanta17 San Francisco 9 Houston10 Carolina 9 Philadelphia 20 Tampa Bay 7 Green Bay13 Kansas City 7 Denver 34 Dallas 29 Miami 10 San Diego 13 Seattle 32 NY Jets 31 Arizona 21 Buffalo 28 New England 25 Tonights Game Chicago Minnesota"}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 1996 (04:59)", "body": "Da Bears!"}, {"response": 59, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Wed, Oct 30, 1996 (22:34)", "body": "Week ten picks:] NYG, Car, Balt, GB, Dall, Pitt, Ind, Chi, Minn, Sea, Mia, Buff, SF, Oak"}, {"response": 60, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 1996 (10:04)", "body": "Week 10: NYG, Car, Bal, GB, Dal, Pit, Ind, Chi, Min, Hou, NE, Was, SF, Den"}, {"response": 61, "author": "bnbstat", "date": "Wed, Nov  6, 1996 (09:58)", "body": "HELLLLOOOO is anyone out there? There doesn't seem to be much activity in here. Oh well, here's my week 11 picks: Dal, Was, Atl, Phi, GB, Hou, Mia, NE, Oak, Pit, Jac, Den, Sea, NYG, SD"}, {"response": 62, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 10, 1996 (12:36)", "body": "My picks: The Redskins should roll over Arizona Buffalo will upset the Eagles Green Bay rolls on over the Chiefs The Oilers will topples the Saints Miami will rebound against Indy The Pats will keep the Jets on the skids Oakland will beat hapless Tampa Bay The Steelers will dust off Cinncy *** Cowboys over Niners *** my two favorite teams Jacksonville over Baltimore - a tossup Denver beats the Ditkaless Bears Vikings unseat Seahawks Carolina over the Giants"}, {"response": 63, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Wed, Nov 13, 1996 (20:45)", "body": "week 12 picks: SL, KC, Buff, NE, Pitt, Atl, Indy, Det, Phil, SF, Hous, NY Giants, SD, Oak, GB Coach Lumpy"}, {"response": 64, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 13, 1996 (22:12)", "body": "How about that Cowboys pick Mike. I haven't tallied my total yet, how did you do?"}, {"response": 65, "author": "sfpclot", "date": "Thu, Nov 14, 1996 (22:17)", "body": "anybody else keeping a running score? I'm .593 for the season. Though I haven't figured in my 10/5 from last week. Green Bay and Denver in the superbowl?"}, {"response": 66, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 14, 1996 (22:35)", "body": "Not."}, {"response": 67, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:15)", "body": "Good guess David D. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 2, "subject": "Cowboys", "response_count": 73, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "copyboy", "date": "Wed, Jul  3, 1996 (22:18)", "body": "Cowboys--all flash and no class. If they never set foot in Austin again I wouldn't be terribly upset. But I guess you have to have teams to hate too, just to keep things interesting."}, {"response": 2, "author": "Murphy", "date": "Fri, Jul  5, 1996 (13:39)", "body": "The only thing I know about the cowboys is they are a football team"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jul  8, 1996 (10:09)", "body": "You're from Austin and you hate the Cowboys Josh. You don't quite rank up there with the \"RICH\" at http://1on1sports who hates the Cowboys so much he uses ALL CAPS every time he discusses them. So who is your favorite team. And I'll have to come out of the closet now, I'm also a big 49ers fan. It's tough sometimes to reconcile being both a 49ers fan and a Cowboys fan especially when it rolls around to the \"real Superbowl\" game between the 9ers and Cowboys in the division playoffs. Too bad it's impossible for these two teams to meet in the defacto Superbowl. Maybe the NFL needs to take a cue from the College bowl pairings where they pit number one against number two. By the way, this item is linked to 1on1's Cowboy hating Arnie Spaniers conference. Arnie has offered to wash cars outside the Superbowl if the Cowboys win. So Max on KFON suggests I run my van off the road for a month before I head down Arnie's way."}, {"response": 4, "author": "fgoodwin", "date": "Fri, Aug  2, 1996 (10:43)", "body": "Terry: This conference has been quiet since July 8? Nothing posted since the Cowboys got to town? Hard to believe, but maybe the existence of this conference area is not well-known; I only found it this morning (Aug. 2). For Cowboys lovers and haters alike: check out my Dallas Cowboys Training Camp Page at http://www.eden.com/~fgoodwin/cowboys.htm It's not a \"news\" site -- I think of it as more of a reference site, with rosters, schedules, hotlists, booklists, etc. Included are links to well over 100 Cowboys websites, as well as to anti-Cowboys sites (there are some very good ones!). I also moderate the nightly Cowboys Chat on the Austin360 page: http://www.austin360.com/cowboys/ Check it out!!"}, {"response": 5, "author": "fbrown", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 1996 (12:00)", "body": "Just hope the Cowboys come through the preseason with enough healthy people to field a team :-) As an aside, I've seen the austin360 site. Great stuff!!! Check it out for lots of good Cowboys info. Fred"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 1996 (22:22)", "body": "Healthy, no kidding. They just lost Novacek. I'm glad they picked up Casillas and Herschel Walker, they're going to need all the help they can get with this horrendous injury situation."}, {"response": 7, "author": "fbrown", "date": "Sun, Aug  4, 1996 (10:40)", "body": "I think Herschel is going to play a major role. He's just so versatile - he can back up Emmitt, he can split out and play a little receiver, he can help on special teams. I'm not a real big Sherman Williams fan, so I'm excited about Herschel. While losing Novacek for a while will hurt, if Bjornson stays healthy it won't be TOO bad. Bjornson is a damn good football player. Maybe Herschel can play a little tight end in 2 tight sets. Now if Stepfret and Kevin Williams can hold down wide receiver spots to take some of the load off of Emmitt, we can put Deion back on defense where he belongs."}, {"response": 8, "author": "fbrown", "date": "Sun, Aug  4, 1996 (10:41)", "body": "Oops! Didn't hit in my previous message. Sorry it's messed up. FAB"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug  5, 1996 (09:27)", "body": "It looks ok to me. I agree with you on the Walker assessment. This is a great move for Dallas. And Irvin will be coming back on the scene at an opportune time after the first 5 games. If they're going to have injuries, now is the time to get them out of the way, not around playoff time. I guess tonight is the game in Monterey Mexico."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug  5, 1996 (19:10)", "body": "... against the KC Chiefs."}, {"response": 11, "author": "kerry", "date": "Fri, Aug 23, 1996 (16:04)", "body": "So who has been cut so far?"}, {"response": 12, "author": "fgoodwin", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (00:02)", "body": "Kerry: Check out my Dallas Cowboys Training Camp Page for a current roster with cuts as of today (Aug. 24). The Cowboys must make several more cuts on Sunday (Aug 25). GO COWBOYS!!"}, {"response": 13, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (01:42)", "body": "It's suprising how many people are convinced the 'boy's are going to the \"Bowl\", with all the hits they have taken in the last six months. The defense taken down by free agency,and Troy & Emmitt can't win the NFC East by themselves.Show me another way they(Cowwboys) are going to win.. After Irvin comes on board (at least five weeks) watch Philly to shut down the Boy's.They left with a win Dec.95.. 20-17 at the Vet... jjftlaud Dolphins showed a little \"Smart's\" against Tampa...NO HUDDLE..!!!"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 1996 (09:19)", "body": "The Cowboys have always been carried on the backs of the \"big three\": Aikman, Irvin and Emmitt. These guys score 75% of Dallas points. This year, some of the secondary players are going to have to turn in great years if the Cowboys are going places like the Superbowl. If Herschel can defy the prognosticators and pump it up this year, that would be an amazing story."}, {"response": 15, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (20:15)", "body": "I've enjoyed watching Herschel through out the years,I would love to see a resurgence of those power runs,the man has a lot of class and I guess that is what I look for in pro players(as a lot of other people do). Was watching a show NFL Today I think on ESPN,Aikman was questioned about (drug and other offenses) problems with the 'boys. The basic response he had (and I think he's right) to the question was to say the 'boys are under a looking glass,and those problems exist in every city,every team,every sport.I'm suprised he didn't include the coaches.(Some of the dicisions coaches make,make me wonder) jjftlaud"}, {"response": 16, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (17:26)", "body": "Well so much for the first week, Guess Arnie is right, Stick a fork in them, the Cowboys are done. 9 & 7 best they can hope for. Next week they have the lowly Giants, Boys better pay attention to a defense that looked even better than Chicago. Only thing going for the Boys vs Giants is the Giants are one of the best at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!!!!!!!"}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (17:35)", "body": "Any word on Emmitt yet?"}, {"response": 18, "author": "Andre", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (18:36)", "body": "The Cowboys sure have a lot questions to answer after last night's pre-season game. I have few of my own Was Deion the only receiver out on the field or what? What the hell was Zampezie thinking or not? Why didn't Emmitt get the ball more? And why are the Cowboys 12 points favorites against the Giants?"}, {"response": 19, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 1996 (11:29)", "body": "Last I heard, Emmitt had some pain but was physically OK, nothing on Xray or MRI. He walked out of the hospital but didn't look real good, could have just been the normal after game tightness along with no sleep from all the medical stuff. Personally I think there is nothing wrong with him that a little attention did not cure. He will be back next week."}, {"response": 20, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (15:21)", "body": "The boys looked real good, and New York looked like hell. As a matter of fact I have to give the boys credit, cause they actually looked like the super-bowl champions they are. What team will be at the game this week, the one that played the bear or the one that played the Giants??????????? And one other question was raised after the results of that game,,,, which NY team is the worst team in professional football?"}, {"response": 21, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 1996 (20:53)", "body": "TJ: If you were to ask a Fin's fan that question ..There is no Good N.Y. team,they think the same of us though. The boys did show a marked improvement,but then again against a no good team. Terry; Did you delete topic (11) and replace it with (19)?If so whats the difference? Are we starting over at game three..jjftlaud"}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (10:51)", "body": "I didn't delete topic 11. It stays for general NFL football talk. Picks only in the new item."}, {"response": 23, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (11:01)", "body": "Yes Jim you are correct, but as you know, no matter how bad the Jets or Fins get during a particular season, or how good the other one is. They always seem to have the best games of their seasons against each other."}, {"response": 24, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (11:05)", "body": "I apologize (to all of you but Jim) for taking up the cowpokes topic with talk of Fins and Jets. P.S. Jim, I think you'll have all the chance in the world to talk about the Fins on this Topic in about 3 more weeks, When the Pokes and Fins game gets closer. And I expect the Fins will have a better record to go with the better coach."}, {"response": 25, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 16, 1996 (15:04)", "body": "Colts stampede Pokes.....23-3 then 25-24 Best comeback since Buffalo - Houston Says it all, Former Super Bowl Champs"}, {"response": 26, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 1996 (19:06)", "body": "To all those who may have missed making picks while we were moving the servers last week, I apologize. But we're back up now and we have a pretty solid connection to UUNET. And my picks: Phil Wash Cinn Detr Pitts Balt SF GB Cowboys Denver AZ SDiego Pats & MN Sorry Bears!"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 18, 1996 (09:06)", "body": "Green Bay has three tough games left (@ Dallas, Denver, & @ Detroit). Dallas has 4 (GB, Wash, @ Wash, & New England). The niners have 2 (@ Pittsburg & @ Wash) The Packers will be either 13-3 or 12-4, SF at 12-4, and Dallas will lose at least one of those games to finish 11-5."}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 18, 1996 (22:00)", "body": "I had to laugh. Al Michael just said Green Bay is looking like a deer frozen by headlights. And Reggie White has been infuriated all week by a Green Bay sportscasters comment, \"Reggie White, Betty White, it doesn't make any difference, [the Dallas lineman] is going to take him out.\" It's way, way too early in this game to start celebrating, it's only 6-0 but the Cowboys have been dominating. It's upsetting to me that Dallas is only getting field goals out of all this fire power so far. It just got to be 9-0 and it should be 21-0. Green Bay must take some heart in this."}, {"response": 29, "author": "mickey", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 1996 (10:53)", "body": "WITH DALLAS'S LOSS YESTERDAY, I AM WONDERING ABOUT THE PLAYOFFS. YOU KNOW THEY ARE JUST AROUND THE CORNER. AND THEY ARE NOT NUMBER ONE IN THEIR DIVISION. ALL WE CAN DO IS JUST PRAY THAT THEY KICK SOME BUTT NEXT WEEK."}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 1996 (13:15)", "body": "That's about the size of it. It's going to be a tough go for the Cowboys with two games against the Redksins coming up, the first this Thanksgiving."}, {"response": 31, "author": "kkeith", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (23:27)", "body": "thanks for you help terry i will visit the site later GO cowboys , they are still in the thick of it, not as good as the last couple of years but they are the ones i am putting my money on , thanks again for the help catch you later , keith"}, {"response": 32, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (23:30)", "body": "Good to meet up with you tonight Keith and give you a personal introduction to the sports conference via NetMeeting. Some introduction wouldn't you say? The Cowboys are in pretty good shape with Emmitt's comeback."}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (19:36)", "body": "Stupid Leon Lett! And this guys a nice guy! Why couln't he just be addiated to barbecue and chicken or something safer than drugs? His addiction really cuts the boys deep. They've just gone from being a major contender to being a marginal team with Leon Letts' susupension. Bad news boys."}, {"response": 34, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Fri, Dec  6, 1996 (21:59)", "body": "There is still alot football to be played, and if Dallas and GB meet up again it might be in GB next time, and who knows what will happen then. GB needs some of their regular WR\ufffds back. I mean look what happened when Troy Boy lost Micheal and friends, they lost. Boy\ufffds defense sure is looking good, just need a consistent running game and they should be able to make another run at a Super Bowl. Doubt Dallas will be able to handle the Redskins in RFK. Teams would be stupid not to run up the middle over and over, but then you have Stickland in the middle. Boys will have problems with teams like the Steelers and the Skins."}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (14:14)", "body": "Emmitt's having a pro bowl kind of a day against the Pats. 6-3 Pats so far. The game's just getting underway. Emitt has 12 rushes for 44 yards and he's being looked at on the bench. Number 36 on the Pats just put a pretty good hit on him. Boniol's trying for his 24th straight field goal. Good. 6-6. 2:06 left in the 2nd quarter. Emmitts leaving the field with a pinched nerve."}, {"response": 36, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Dec 28, 1996 (01:42)", "body": "Well, drifting back to the boys, this Vikings game is shaping up as a battle between two of the most talented receivers in the game vs two of the best cover cornerbacks. Deion and Kevin Smith covering Cris Carter and Jake Reed. Although, I'll have to say I've been more impressed with minimum wage Herschel than I am with multimillion dollar Deion. Brad Johnson is starting QB for the Vikes (a mistake, they should go with Moon) and he was a team mate of Deion's at Florida State. Gametime is 3 pm in Dallas tomorrow (Saturday). The Cowboys have their 112th consecutive sellout while the other teams are still trying to fill their stadiums. Advice to Corey Fuller: keep your gross stuff at home, it doesn't belong on the football field. What an uncool move that was in last weeks game. Hook 'em Cowboys!"}, {"response": 37, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (00:50)", "body": "Yes, the boys sure did look good. Running the ball to Emmit, passing the ball to Michael, and playing great defense. Next week's game vs. Carolina will be a real test for both teams. To see if the boys still have it, and see if the panthers really do have it. Say the line will be 3-4 points for the boys."}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (01:59)", "body": "A much, much bigger test than the Vikings. I'm glad Herschel finally got let loose as a fullback a little bit. This guy is in prime condition and runs well. And he did an outstanding defensive play by causing a Minnesota fumble. Herschel is the Cowboys secret weapon. Give credit to Teague for thwarting what appeared to be a sure Viking td at the one yard line. He popped that ball right out just as the Vking runner was going to land in the endzone. Smart play. The Cowboys are only part way there. No need to celebrate yet. They need to stay focused."}, {"response": 39, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sat, Jan 11, 1997 (00:24)", "body": "People wonder why the boys are sitting home now for the cowboys, I think it comes down to lack of talent. Look at the Carolina game, Troy's man receiver at the end of the game is Billy Davis, Derik Frazier is the starting CB, and the offensive line is playing like they are out for the day from the old folks home. It is time to trim the fat, get rid of Novacek and Haley if they are not near 100%, and use the money to get some good lineman."}, {"response": 40, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jan 11, 1997 (12:26)", "body": "Good assessment, that's about the size of it. And trade Irvin and Williams for some younger talent."}, {"response": 41, "author": "Donna", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (10:38)", "body": "Heres a joke I heard on Good Morning America the other day: What do you call 30 Millionaires at home sitting around? The Dallas Cowboys!"}, {"response": 42, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (17:16)", "body": "What do you call 40 guys sitting around reading Hustler and watching the Superbowl?"}, {"response": 43, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (10:11)", "body": "Prediction for 1997 Dallas Cowboys 13 - 3 Thirteen Arrests, Three Convictions"}, {"response": 44, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (10:12)", "body": "Jerry Jones needs to have a meeting and make sure that all the players got it right this season...... ITS NIKE AND PEPSI NOT NOOKIE AND COKE"}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (22:44)", "body": "Answer: the Dallas Cowboys Sorry I missed darts TJ."}, {"response": 46, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (12:45)", "body": "The reason the cowboys didn't win that last playoff game is that Troy wasn't well rested......he couldn't get any sleep.......at least not at home...... someone had painted a goal-line at the beginning of his driveway the week before and HE COULDN'T GET IN"}, {"response": 47, "author": "WEEZE", "date": "Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (21:56)", "body": "The Cowboys are on the way down. They were built in the nineties by Jerry Jones and are going to be destroyed by him. The Salary cap that he pushed as well as the head coach they now have are more than enough to send them back down. Did you enjoy the ride while it lasted though? I did."}, {"response": 48, "author": "fgoodwin", "date": "Fri, May 23, 1997 (01:01)", "body": "GO COWBOYS!! ======================================================================== * Fred Goodwin, SBC-Technology Resources, Inc. fgoodwin@eden.com * * Opinions are my own, not SBC-TRI fgoodwin@tri.sbc.com * * 9505 Arboretum, 9th Floor Dallas Cowboys Training Camp Page * * Austin, TX 78759 http://www.eden.com/~fgoodwin/cowboys.htm * ========================================================================"}, {"response": 49, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (13:26)", "body": "What about Irvin's no show in camp? When does Austin camp break open?"}, {"response": 50, "author": "fgoodwin", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (17:53)", "body": "The Cowboys will hold their 8th annual Training Camp on the campus of St. Edward's University, in Austin, TX from Friday, July 18 to Thursday, August 14, 1997. I've heard nothing to indicate Irvin will hold out. GO COWBOYS!! ======================================================================== * Fred Goodwin, SBC-Technology Resources, Inc. fgoodwin@eden.com * * Opinions are my own, not SBC-TRI fgoodwin@tri.sbc.com * * 9505 Arboretum, 9th Floor Dallas Cowboys Training Camp Page * * Austin, TX 78759 http://www.eden.com/~fgoodwin/cowboys.htm * ========================================================================"}, {"response": 51, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (17:58)", "body": "Thanks Fred, for the update."}, {"response": 52, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (13:31)", "body": "Come on now guys, your dead in the water and yall know it....... No championship this year, but then again as the good fans yall are keep cheering..............GO 49er's"}, {"response": 53, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (17:20)", "body": "Ya mean the niners have a shot again? What happened last year?"}, {"response": 54, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:55)", "body": "Who's going to Quarterback for the Niners? What's the latest on the Irvin situation?"}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:04)", "body": "Jones thinks he'll show."}, {"response": 56, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (23:19)", "body": "Hopefully so."}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 22, 1997 (22:45)", "body": "Hey, speaking of Deion... by the way what's Deion doing over in the NBA topic, are y'all suggesting me might be a third sport athlete? Maybe that baseball in the head knocked some sense in him, maybe not. He says he *will* be healed for the season opener with the Cowboys and he's found religion. Added to all the other comments, Deion could be a great wide-out if he really put his mind to it. Deion, he's back."}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Feb 12, 1998 (23:41)", "body": "Cowboys new puppet, er, uh, coach: Chan Gailey Yeah, that's right, not George Siefert. So much for my prediction. Give Siefert credit for not wanting to work under a puppet regime. Anyone hearda this guy? He ran the Packers offense, I believe."}, {"response": 59, "author": "TIM", "date": "Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (04:26)", "body": "The cowboys are looking like the might have a shot at the superbowl, this year"}, {"response": 60, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 23, 1998 (08:12)", "body": "Amazing but true."}, {"response": 61, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  3, 1998 (07:46)", "body": "Larry Brown, remember him from Superbowl action 3 years ago?, signed up with the BoyCows for $76k. Another Herschel Walker-like deal! Hey whatever happened to Herschel? With Neon out and Kevin Smith sidelined, he should start earning his extravagant salary right away. Hey, he knows the system, he was MVP of that Superbowl, having picked off a bunch (2) of Pittsburgh Neal O'Donnel passes (where's Slash when you need him?)."}, {"response": 62, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Tue, Jan  5, 1999 (09:33)", "body": "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (shit) (go falcons, i guess)"}, {"response": 63, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Feb  7, 2036 (07:56)", "body": "hiya nick! sorry 'bout your boys!"}, {"response": 64, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Feb  7, 2036 (02:48)", "body": "Yep, down and *out*. Didn't figure in the way things were going. But look what happened to Green Bay."}, {"response": 65, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Mon, Jan 11, 1999 (00:49)", "body": "at least the 49ers and packers are gone too... makes it a little more easily digested... pulling for broncos in afc... falcons in nfc... (that'd be sweet... danny reeves having the opportunity to win it... and doing it against denver)"}, {"response": 66, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov  9, 1999 (08:14)", "body": "Last nights MNF was a tragedy. I turned it on and the Cowboys were up by 3, 20-17. Then we cut to a shot of Emmitt with a broken hand, Troy has a concussion and the team is in a state of collapse. Then a MN player hits one of the Dallas players in the balls and he collapses on the field. And the tragedy just kept going on. Randy Moss makes a diving catch, and Minnesota just kept scoring. The Cowboys limped off battered and bruised."}, {"response": 67, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov  9, 1999 (12:06)", "body": "In the words of another immortal baseball guy, You was robbed! I normally do not particularly like the Cowboys, but my appreciation for things Texas is growing as my understanding grows. As in College Football this season, there is no dominant team in NFL football. It bodes ill for a good Superbowl, but what else is new?!"}, {"response": 68, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Feb 12, 2000 (22:35)", "body": "Cowboys Coach Tom Landry Dies By JAIME ARON AP Sports Writer IRVING, Texas (AP) \ufffd Tom Landry, the Dallas Cowboys coach who led America's Team to five Super Bowls and was famous for pacing the sidelines for three decades wearing a stone face, business suit and felt hat, died Saturday. He was 75. Landry had been undergoing treatment since May for acute myelogenous leukemia. Baylor University Medical Center called in Landry's family earlier in the day. At 7:45 p.m. CST, the hospital issued a release in behalf of Landry's family: ``Coach Tom Landry passed away today ... at 6 p.m. He went peacefully surrounded by his loving family. He will also be missed by his many friends and fans, and he will never be forgotten by all of us whose lives he has touched so deeply.'' Landry, who coached the Cowboys for their first 29 years, won two Super Bowls with star quarterback Roger Staubach. His 270 victories are more than any NFL coach except Don Shula and George Halas. ``Tom Landry's familiar presence on the Dallas Cowboys' sideline for three decades represented the NFL at its best,'' NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue said in a statement. ``He will always rank as one of the all-time great coaches and as an architect of one of the most successful teams in sports history. He will be remembered for many special reasons, including his record as a coach, the innovations he brought to our game, and the personal integrity he displayed.'' Landry considered those innovations his greatest contribution to the game. His legacy continued through the coaches he produced, including Atlanta's Dan Reeves and former New Orleans coach Mike Ditka, who both went to the Super Bowl. ``He shaped my philosophy on everything,'' Reeves said Saturday night. ``I followed his philosophy on football and how he handled himself on and off the field. He was a tremendous influence on me. ``He was something unique to the NFL. He was someone who had tremendous knowledge of the NFL, but he was also a man of such integrity. He had a strong Christian faith that was unusual at that time. And he didn't just talk it. He walked it, too.'' In Landry's first season, 1960, the expansion Cowboys went 0-11-1. He didn't have a winning season until his seventh. But that began a streak of 20 consecutive winning seasons, 13 division titles and five Super Bowl appearances. After three straight losing seasons, Landry was fired by Jerry Jones the day he bought the team in February 1989. ``We will never be able to measure the complete significance of coach Landry's contributions to the Dallas Cowboys. Simply stated, he is the single most important figure in the history of this franchise,'' Jones said. Landry's final record was 270-178-6, a .601 winning percentage. And when he left, he was as much a symbol of the Cowboys as the star on their helmets. ``I think the whole Cowboys image came from him,'' said Staubach, who had the honor of introducing Landry at his Hall of Fame enshrinement in 1990, just as Landry had done for him in '85. ``I think Tom will always make the Dallas Cowboys more than a football team.'' Landry was a college star at the University of Texas, then a defensive back for the New York Giants in one of the innovative defenses of the early '50s \ufffd ``The Umbrella,'' the first to put four backs deep to counter the passing game. At 29, he became a player-coach in charge of the defense, a job now known as the defensive coordinator. He changed the front seven of the Umbrella from a 5-2 to a 4-3, essentially creating the middle linebacker position for Sam Huff. The system became such a success that Landry later had to devise the multiple offense to counter it. Both alignments remain standards at all levels of football, from Pee Wee to pros. General manager Tex Schramm was still trying to get the NFL to award Dallas a franchise when he introduced Landry as the team's first coach. Their agreement was that Schramm would run the business side and Landry would be in charge of football. A dynasty was formed through the unlikely pairing of the strait-laced, religious Landry and Schramm, the flashy showman whose promotional flair included bringing scantily clad cheerleaders to the NFL. ``We were totally different,'' Schramm said. ``We were never close socially, but we got along very well because he had his domain and we each knew where the lines were. I respected him, he respected me and things worked perfectly.'' Landry's Xs and Os betrayed his bland persona. He thrived on doing things differently, especially if he could mix in deception. He created the ``Flex'' defense that placed one tackle a half-yard behind the other and he used gadget plays on offense, notably the quarterback throwback and the halfback pass. His offensive line also had a gimmick \ufffd it would often crouch down, raise up and then reset, a style often imitated by kids on playgrounds. ``I really enjoyed the challenge of bringing a team to the game,'' Landry once said. ``I enjoyed the challenge of that more than "}, {"response": 69, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Apr 21, 2001 (03:45)", "body": "test post on new system"}, {"response": 70, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 29, 2001 (11:16)", "body": "It works and the Cowboys are without Troy Aikman. How they gonna do it?"}, {"response": 71, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr 29, 2001 (19:19)", "body": "Nah gonna do it. (Dana Carvey impersonation)"}, {"response": 72, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 12, 2001 (22:44)", "body": "Cowboys and Indians on Monday night football. 0-4 ??!! Who could have imagined?!"}, {"response": 73, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 11, 2005 (20:04)", "body": "I guess we're getting an abbreviated 60 Minutes because the Cowboys Redskins game dragged on. But an exciting win for the Cowboys who got it done in the waning minutes. The skins had a makeable field goal but a bad snap threw off the timing in the last few seconds of the game. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 20, "subject": "College Picks", "response_count": 24, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (10:15)", "body": "Great page just for picks, I picked the first week and I still haven't seen anything that will change my mind yet. My college picks for the Top 25 at the end of the season are: 1. Notre Dame 2. Penn State 3. Florida State 4. Florida 5. Colorado 6. Nebraska 7. Michigan 8. Tennessee 9. Ohio State 10. Syracuse 11. BYU 12. USC 13. Texas 14. Clemson 15. Virginia Tech 16. Miami 17. Alabama 18. Auburn 19. Washington 20. Northwestern 21. Wisconson 22. Georgia Tech 23. East Carolina 24. Air Force 25. Utah"}, {"response": 2, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (10:48)", "body": "This week, give it a try 1. Miami @ Rutgers Miami 2. Maryland at Virginia Virginia 3. East Carolina at W. Virginia W. Virginia 4. Virginia Tech at Boston College BC 5. Auburn at Mississippi Auburn 6. BYU at Washington BYU 7. Kansas at Texas Christian TCU 8. Wisconsin at UNLV Wisconsin 9. Stephen F. Austin at N. Iowa SFA 10. Utah at SMU Utah 11. Georgia at South Carolina Georgia 12. Purdue at Notre Dame Irish 13. Baylor at Louisville Baylor 14. Iowa St. at Iowa Iowa 15. N Illinois at Penn State Penn State 16. St John's at Sacred Heart St John's 17. Cincinnati at Kansas St. KSU 18. Miami Ohio at Indiana Miami Ohio 19. Wake Forrest at Georgia Tech Georgia Tech 20. N. Texas at Arizona State Arizona State 21. Hofstra at SW Tesas State SWT 22. Sam Houston State at Tex A&M Kings Sam Houston 23. New Mexico State at Texas El Paso UTEP 24. Colorado State at Oregon Oregon 25. Austin Peay at Samford Samford"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (13:52)", "body": "The Notre Dame at number 1 and Texas at 13! Well, next weeks game may determine this ranking!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (16:22)", "body": "You have every opportunity to make your picks and let the end of the season proove you right or wrong. I stand by my picks."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 1996 (08:09)", "body": "1. *Miami @ Rutgers 2. Maryland at *Virginia 3. East Carolina at *W. Virginia 4. Virginia Tech at *Boston College 5. Auburn at *Mississippi 6. *BYU at Washington 7. *Kansas at Texas Christian 8. *Wisconsin at UNLV 9. *Stephen F. Austin at N. Iowa 10. *Utah at SMU 11. *Georgia at South Carolina 12. Purdue at *Notre Dame 13. *Baylor at Louisville 14. Iowa St. at *Iowa Iowa 15. N Illinois at *Penn State 16. *St John's at Sacred Heart 17. Cincinnati at *Kansas St. 18. *Miami Ohio at Indiana 19. Wake Forrest at *Georgia Tech 20. N. Texas at *Arizona State 21. Hofstra at *SW Tesas State 22. *Sam Houston State at Tex A&M Kings 23. New Mexico State at *Texas El Paso 24. Colorado State at *Oregon 25. *Austin Peay at Samford"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 1996 (08:09)", "body": "Why did you pick these games TJ?"}, {"response": 7, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 1996 (09:42)", "body": "Just selected 25 from a long list........and many of the top teams have a week off."}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 1996 (15:00)", "body": "OK. Just hope the Notre Dame - Texas game is on next weeks list.This was a tough choice!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 16, 1996 (13:57)", "body": "Week # 1 results, very close Paul 16-9 TJ 17-8 This weeks games - 1. Penn St vs Temple ----Penn St 2. Duquesne at St Johns ---- St Johns 3. Rutgers at Virginia Tech ----Virginia Tech 4. Virginia at Wake Forest ----Virginia 5. Georgia Tech at N. Carolina ----N Carolina 6. Florida at Tennessee ----Florida 7. Texas Tech at Georgia ----Texas Tech 8. Indiana at Kentucky ----Indiana 9. Louisiana Tech at Mississippi St ----Mississippi St 10. LSU at Auburn ----Auburn 11. East Carolina at South Carolina ----South 12. Boston College at Michigan ----Michigan 13. Syracuse at Minnesota ----Syracuse 14. Alabama vs. Arkansas ----Alabama 15. Southern Cal at Houston ----USC 16. West Virginia at Purdue ----West Virginia 17. New Mexico at BYU ----BYU 18. Air Force at Wyoming ----Air Force 19. Texas-El Paso at San Jose St. ----UTEP 20. Nebraska at Arizona St. ----Huskers 21. SW Texas St. at E. Washington ----SWT 22. Siena at St Peter's ----Siena 23. Southern Methodist at Navy ----SMU 24. Arizona at Washington ----Arizona 25. Notre Dame Fighting Irish at Texas ----Who else Good Luck-Hope you like the games"}, {"response": 10, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (14:27)", "body": "1) Penn 2) St Johns 3) Tech 4) VA 5) NC 6) TN 7) Tech 8) KY 9) Miss 10) Auburn 11) East 12) Mich 13) Syr 14) Alabama 15) USC 16) Purdue 17) BYU 18) WY 19) SJ 20) Neb 21) SWT 22) Who? 23) SMU 24) WA 25) Texas"}, {"response": 11, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (14:38)", "body": "Game 22 for this week is Siena - a small yuppie college in Latham, NY vs. St Peters a small catholic Notre Dame wanna be."}, {"response": 12, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (14:51)", "body": "Fine... 22) Siena"}, {"response": 13, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (15:03)", "body": "I think I'd rather have picked the Ohio State game, though, can we get them in the rotation for the weeks to come?"}, {"response": 14, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (17:16)", "body": "I would have rather picked OSU as well but I missed it on the sheet, will be more careful next week. And there will always be at least one little to unknown pick --- like Siena."}, {"response": 15, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (12:07)", "body": "This weeks resultss Boyce 13-12 TJ 11-14 Paul No play This weeks picks 1. Fairfield at St Johns ----St Johns 2. Wake Forest at Clemson ----Wake Forest 3. Pittsburgh at Miami ----Miami 4. Northwestern at Indiana ----Northwestern 5. Colorado St at Nebraska ----Nebraska 6. Southern Meth at Brigham Young ----BYU 7. Ohio St at Notre Dame ----Fighting Irish 8. Colorado at Texas A&M ----Colorado 9. North Carolina at Florida St ---- FSU 10. Virginia Tech at Syracuse ----Syracuse 11. UCLA at Michigan ----Michigan 12. Penn St. at Wisconsin ----Penn St 13. Maryland at W. Virginia ----West Virginia 14. Texas at Virginia ----Virginia 15. Texas Christian at New Mexico ----TCU 16. Kansas at Utah ----Kansas 17. Oregon at Arizona St. ----Arizona State 18. Navy at Boston College ----BC 19. Missouri at Iowa State ----Missouri 20. Kentucky at Florida ----Florida 21. Texas El-Paso at N. Illinois ----UTEP 22. Utah St at Texas Tech ----Texas Tech 23. Texas Southern at Sam Houston St. ----Southern 24. Troy State at Stephen F. Austin ----SFA 25. Iona at Pace ----Iona"}, {"response": 16, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (11:39)", "body": "1) St Johns 2) Clemson 3) Miami 4) NW 5) Neb 6) BYU 7) Ohio 8) TAMU 9) FLA 10) VA Tech 11) Mich 12) Penn 13) WVA 14) Texas 15) NM 16) Kan 17) AZ 18) BC 19) IA 20) Fla 21) UTEP 22) Tech 23) Southern 24) SFA 25) Iona"}, {"response": 17, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 30, 1996 (10:44)", "body": "This weeks results Boyce 20-5 TJ 19-6 Congratulations Boyce, I just wish there was a little more interest in college games THIS WEEKS SELECTION 1. Louisiana Tech at Texas A&M --- A&M 2. Texas Christian at Tulane --- TCU 3. Oklahoma St at Texas --- TEX 4. Baylor at Texas Tech --- TEX TECH 5. Utah at Texas-El Paso --- UTEP 6. Texas Southern at Jackson St --- TEX SOUTH 7. North Texas at N. Illinois --- NORTH TEX 8. Missouri at Sourther Meth --- SMU 9. Washington St at Arizona --- ARI 10. Boise St at Arizona St --- ARI ST 11. Stanford at Washington --- WASH 12. Rutgers at Syracuse --- SYR 13. Florida at Arkansas --- FLA 14. Penn St at Ohio St --- PENN ST 15. Indiana at Illinois --- ILL 16. Michigan St at Iowa --- MICH ST 17. Nebraska at Kansas St --- NEB 18. Michigan at Northwestern --- MICH 19. Kansas at Oklahoma --- KAN 20. Boston College at W. Virginia --- BC 21. California at Sourther Cal --- USC 22. UCLA at Oregon --- ORE 23. South Carolina at Auburn --- AUB 24. Virginia at Georgia Tech --- VIR 25. North Carolina at Wake Forest --- NORTH CAR"}, {"response": 18, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Mon, Sep 30, 1996 (11:17)", "body": "1) AM 2) tcu 3) tex 4) tech 5) Utah 6) TS 7) NT 8) Miss 9) AZ 10) Az 11) WA 12) Sy 13) Fla 14) Ohio 15) Ill 16) Mi 17) Neb 18) Mich 19) Kan 20) WV 21) SC 22) UCLA 23) Au 24) VA 25) NC"}, {"response": 19, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Mon, Oct  7, 1996 (10:00)", "body": "I couldn't find some of these scores in yesterday's paper... You got 'em TJ?"}, {"response": 20, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Oct  9, 1996 (11:03)", "body": "I wasn't able to get last Saturdays scores, but I'm still working on it, Will get out the results late......I wasn't able to download the USA Todays scores on Monday due to computer problems. Now I have to find a copy of the Monday Paper..... This Weeks Picks 1. Army at Rutgers --- Army 2. LSU at Florida --- Florida 3. Florida St at Miami --- Miami 4. Alabama at N. Carolina St --- Bama 5. Auburn at Mississippi St --- Auburn 6. Maryland at North Carolina --- Maryland 7. Tennessee at Georgia --- Tennesee 8. Texas A&M at Iowa St --- A&M 9. Texas Tech at Kansas --- Tech 10. Baylor at Nebraska --- Nebraska 11. Washington at Notre Dame --- Irish 12. Texas vs. Oklahoma at Dallas --- Texas 13. Sam Houston St. at Stephen F. Austin --- SFA 14. Vanderbilt at North Texas --- Tex 15. Texas-El Paso at Texas Christian --- TCU 16. Memphis at Houston --- Houston 17. Wisconsin at Ohio St --- OSU 18. SW Texas St at S. Utah --- Tex 19. Ark.-Pine Bluff at Texas Southern --- Tex 20. Navy at Air Force --- Navy 21. Arizona St at UCLA --- ASU 22. Arizona at Southern Cal --- USC 23. Pittsburgh at Syracuse --- Syracuse 24. Purdue at Penn St --- Penn St 25. Siena at Canisius --- Siena"}, {"response": 21, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Oct  9, 1996 (17:45)", "body": "1)Army 2)Fla 3)FlaSt 4)Ala 5)Aub 6)NC 7)TN 8)A&M 9)Tech 10)Neb 11)ND 12)TX 13)SFA 14)Van 15)TCU 16)Memph 17)OSU 18)SWT 19)TEX 20)AF 21)UCLA 22)USC 23)Syr 24)Penn 25)Siena"}, {"response": 22, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:16)", "body": "Where's boyce?"}, {"response": 23, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Thu, Jul 24, 1997 (13:18)", "body": "Yo."}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jul 25, 1997 (09:35)", "body": "yo! wow! sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 21, "subject": "Incredibly dumb and stupid sports questions", "response_count": 22, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (00:29)", "body": "OK, I'll lead off. Who was better, Mantle or Mays?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "oplion", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (11:59)", "body": "You'r right dumb question..Mantle,Yeah NY Team, thats ok.."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (16:57)", "body": "Who had the most impressive careet stats. I'm sure Mantle outhomered him, but Mays was the best outfielder."}, {"response": 4, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (16:48)", "body": "Why are they called the PACKERS? What is a Hoosier? Why are they still called New York Jets, Giants and Mets? Is the Ravens emblem the Grand Pubah Hat from Fred Flinstone? The Fabulous Sports \"BABE\"?????"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (17:55)", "body": "All NY teams have to end in 'ets'. I don't know where the Giants snuck in."}, {"response": 6, "author": "oplion", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (19:02)", "body": "Not that it matters much,but does spitting on an umpire deserve a suspension,I haven't watched BB 'cause of the strike,and only follow it in the news. A realy incredibly dumb Q,If we could give a real reason for dugout clearing to someone who's never seen BB,what would it be?"}, {"response": 7, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 1996 (11:56)", "body": "Fumigation"}, {"response": 8, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (22:53)", "body": "Fumigation TJ?"}, {"response": 9, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (18:37)", "body": "mays.. (but it's close... and mickey played his entire career with defects/injuries that would've ruined lesser mortals)"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (19:05)", "body": "I'd go with Mays just because I'm such a National Leaguer. And I got to see him play in St. Louis when I was a kid. Sey hey makin' those \"basket catches\"."}, {"response": 11, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (21:23)", "body": "i saw mays play a few times as well... the basket catch used to drive coaches nuts (we all wanted to do it)... mickey was something special, though, for sure... before the astros, most people here were cardinals fans (because of the buffs, of course, the cardinals AAA club for many years) and/or yankees fans (because of mickey)... my grandfather loved the astros, but he never stopped loving the cardinals, either... he used to tell me stories about the gas house gang, and especially dizzy dean... and i used to listen to ol' diz, too, in the late 60's... he would help broadcast several astros games every year (and he'd always sing \"wabash cannonball\", and do grotesque things to the language... and it was the best baseball commentary i ever heard)... really liked that '68 team, too... bob gibson was my hero that year, and it broke my heart when they lost the series..."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (08:43)", "body": "I remember listening to the incomparable radio broadcast trio of Jack Buck, Harry Carey, and Joe Garagiola on KMOX, all three went on to stellar careers in broadcast after the golden era of the St. Louis Cardinals."}, {"response": 13, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (15:57)", "body": "that's incredible... i never knew the three of them were ever together (must've been amazing)... for whatever reason, baseball is the only game i know of that retains it's magic, on the radio... guess you're a big joe torre fan, huh?"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (19:39)", "body": "Joe Torre came later on, after the Buck/Garagiola/Carey era. That was when Musial was on first, Schoendienst on second, Boyer on third, Curt Flood in Center, Bill White on the mound. McCarver caught and then joined that broadcast crew. It was comforting to have the Cardinals games on as I drifted off to sleep in my cottage bedroom in the little summer community where we stayed. There was magic with the Cardinals then."}, {"response": 15, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (22:03)", "body": "i guess you're talking about the johnny keene cards? (just before he got screwed by the yankees)... if i remember right, lindy mcdaniel pitched for them (i think he's from baytown)... also ray sadecki... also, didn't uecker back up mccarver for awhile?... also remember al dark, dal maxwell, julian javier from those years... and of course lou brock came along, at the end of that era, i guess (didn't he play on keene's '64 champion team?)... the '68 team (red's team) was my favorite, though... maris and cepeda played on that team... and gibson, charlton, and nelly briles, of course, with joe hoerner coming out of the bullpen... god, gibson was magnificent that year...(though i've never understood how a guy with 13 shutouts and a 1.12 era could lose 9 games)..."}, {"response": 16, "author": "Wolf", "date": "Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (22:07)", "body": "hey!"}, {"response": 17, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (22:21)", "body": "hey yerself..."}, {"response": 18, "author": "Wolf", "date": "Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (22:30)", "body": "whatcha doin?"}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (00:01)", "body": "He's talkin' sports!"}, {"response": 20, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (00:55)", "body": "terry, i've been trying to enter an \"astros\" topic, and a \"baseball\" topic for the past couple of days, and i can't get 'em to take (keep getting an error message thing)... is there something wrong with the system, or could i be doing something wrong?"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (00:55)", "body": "It should work. I'll go ahead and start it for you if you email me the copy."}, {"response": 22, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 11, 2002 (19:43)", "body": "\"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees.\" -Jason Kidd \"Are you any relation to your brother Marv?\" -Basketball player Leon Wood to announcer Steve Albert \"It's almost like we have ESPN.\" -Magic Johnson, on how well he and James Worthy work together \"Tom.\" -Tom Nissalke, New coach of the NBA's Houston Rockets, when asked how he pronounced his name, 1966. \"I'll always be Number 1 to myself.\" -Moses Malone \"I lost it in the sun!\" -Billy Loes, Brooklyn Dodgers Pitcher, after fumbling a grounder. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 22, "subject": "soccer", "response_count": 18, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "Kennebec", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (20:44)", "body": "I live in the Northeast. Soccer is the predominate sport for high school and children. It is very popular here because you can put so many kids onto the field at once, the rules are basically very simple, and the equiptment is quite inexpensive. When this sport is played well it can be very exciting. My gut feeling is that this is the sport of the future. Sorry football fans! I have relatives that live in Texas that swear by football and I am sure the game will continue to florish there for many years to come. In Maine we have very limited resourses. In some school systems here they are desperately trying to keep their football programs alive. The funding is just not there. Just my opinion from another state and perspective."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (22:06)", "body": "Soccer is very popular around Austin. In fact, they filmed a soccer movie with Robert Redford here. Zilker Park is the place most folks play. I never developed an affinity for soccer as a sport personally, because I grew up with football, basketball, and baseball and we never played it in school much."}, {"response": 3, "author": "Kennebec", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (22:09)", "body": "I too grew up with football, basketball and baseball/softball. Soccer is a recent phenomenon. I have really grown to appreciate the sport in the last three or four years. I have three children of various ages who all are skilled soccer players. I joke that I learned this sport through osmosis. Anyway, I really think if you are a sports nut you will come to appreciate soccer. We are very supportive of all our local sports teams from Pee Wee to High School (and beyond actually) and although we coach, our playing days (accept for quick pickup games)are pretty much over."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (23:15)", "body": "What part of the country do you hail from now?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "Kennebec", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (18:17)", "body": "Midcoast Maine. We are in the middle of basketball playoffs for our Middle School age son, so I havn't been around much on the Net. I have several neices, nephews and a brother living in Texas.(Well, actually my brother is a retired oil executive who drives around the country in a motor home. But he spends at least 4-5 months in Texas visiting his four kids and grandchildren)."}, {"response": 6, "author": "Kennebec", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (18:36)", "body": "Midcoast Maine. We are in the middle of basketball playoffs for our Middle School age son, so I havn't been around much on the Net. I have several neices, nephews and a brother living in Texas.(Well, actually my brother is a retired oil executive who drives around the country in a motor home. But he spends at least 4-5 months in Texas visiting his four kids and grandchildren). We live in a small town. Our local schools are generally combined with other small towns, sometimes combined with small cities. Our high school has only 300 students. We have an excellent soccer program that has produced over 20 State Champion teams in 30 years. Our boys made the final four this year but were eliminated at the quarter finals. They were last years Maine State Champions in their league. Every year we are finding it more and more difficult to compete because of our small size. While other school districts are growing, we are shrinking. We still seem to be producing competitive kids though. Our neighboring school district has a combined football team of basically any kid in the county who wants to play. There are still a few from our town who travel there to play. I know I have gone on a little too long about this but here in grass root America, soccer seems to be taking over as the sport to play. My question would be . . if soccer replaces (you know I don't REALLY mean replace) football in the local school systems where will all the future football players for college and pro's come from? If soccer overtakes football in popularity, and more young kids (girls and boys) play soccer what will happen to the football of the future? Just curious."}, {"response": 7, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (14:38)", "body": "First of all I really don't think that \"SOCCOR\" will ever take over football, unless the owners and players screw it up like baseball did \"the former all-american sport........I have watched football for many years and still follow some clubs like: Manchester United, Tottenham Hotspurs both in England, A.C. Milan in Italy and Celtic in Scotland as well as the Irish National Team in World Cup Play.........but like baseball or golf, you have to be a real fan to watch the game.....when you are not playing... ...American football seems to get everyone involved, man, women and children......i.e. American Football League in Europe with almost all sellouts in England, Spain, Germany and Scotland....How many sellouts for soccor here in the U.S. for the new league???????? Get realistic, american football is as much a show as a sport, and they will figure out a way to keep getting players even if some high schools drop the sport. And we are a capitalistic country.....money still talks and football has the money... .."}, {"response": 8, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:54)", "body": "Show me the money!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "romayrio", "date": "Thu, Nov 13, 1997 (21:25)", "body": "I live in mexico and soccer is very popular here, I think that mexico coud win a word cup. what do tou think?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 13, 1997 (22:38)", "body": "Tell us why you think that and who is Mexico's competition? I would be very interested in your answer, from one more literate in the world of soccer. And then I have even more questions about soccer . . ."}, {"response": 11, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Sun, Nov 16, 1997 (16:25)", "body": "Well, the U.S. qualified for the world cup last week, Mexico the week before, and Jamaica a few minutes ago rounded out the contingent from the CONCACAF (North, Central America and Carribian). Mexico is clearly the leader of that group, but I don't think they're even close in ability to the South American powerhouses, Brazil and Argentina. But anything can happen. I just hope the U.S. can make the second round again."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 16, 1997 (22:05)", "body": "I assume you're pulling for the USA, who is your second pick if the US doesn't get the cup. And where are the cup finals going to be played?"}, {"response": 13, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (10:34)", "body": "I like Romania, but I wouldn't mind seeing Mexico go all the way. Yes, I'm primarily a USA fan. The cup's in France, all next summer."}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (10:52)", "body": "Summers a great time for this, no competition from football and basketball."}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 27, 1999 (18:47)", "body": "http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=miahamm;id=15;htmlcode This puts this topic in the Mia Hamm Web Ring. If you're coming from this webring, please join our discussion of soccer and Mia Hamm and the US women's soccer team. Right now I'm watching the Korea USA gamein the 39th minute of the first half. Tied zip zip."}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 27, 1999 (18:49)", "body": "More details on the webring: Your site has been successfully submitted to the The Mia Hamm Fans Web Ring for review. Your Ring information is listed below. Pleas e save this email for future reference as it contains important information. Ring Name: The Mia Hamm Fans Web Ring Ring ID: miahamm RingMaster: Elaine miahamm@soccermail.com Site ID: 15 Please note that your site has NOT been added to the ring yet. Standard steps to be become a member of any WebRing are as follows: a - Submit your site (you've already done this). You are now in the RingMaster's \"queue\" b - Add the correct HTMLfragment to your webpage then email miahamm@soccermail.com c - RingMaster reviews correctness of your HTMLfragment d - RingMaster adds you to the ring e - Traffic to your site increases! :) So, ringmaster Elaine, here comes your email. And by the way, you put a lot of energy in to a very enjoyable Mia Hamm website at http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Pressbox/6343/ Good job!"}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jul 28, 1999 (11:07)", "body": "Cool interview with Michelle Akers: http://espn.go.com/interact/chat/chatakers990604.html which I found on http://www.michelleakers.com/"}, {"response": 18, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Mar 19, 2000 (17:36)", "body": "20 Hurt in Fights Before Turin Derby TURIN, Italy (Reuters) - Two soccer fans were recovering in hospitals and 18 people including nine policemen received first aid treatment after violence before Sunday's derby match between Juventus and Torino, police said. One fan fractured his foot while trying to climb over a gate at the Delle Alpi stadium. The other suffered a head wound. Police fired tear gas at a group of around 500 supporters who were throwing bottles, stones and flag staves at one another outside the ground about an hour before kick-off. The trouble reportedly started when a small group of Juventus fans tried to reach the ``Maratona'' end of the stadium reserved for Torino followers. Order was restored before kick-off and the match, which Juventus won 3-2, passed off without incident. The derby match had been subject to a row over ticket allocation. Juventus declined to make tickets available to Torino fans, arguing it would mean having to move some of their season-ticket holders in the ``Maratona'' to different seats. The Interior Ministry intervened in favor of Torino and also moved the kick-off time from 8:30 p.m. (1930 GMT) to 3:00 p.m. to help police control the fans. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 23, "subject": "golf", "response_count": 9, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (23:53)", "body": "Tiger Woods is off to a pretty good start;. I heard in one of his first tournaments he had something like 6 birdies in a row. He had a good tournament last week (although it was rain shortened). He is doing very well in his first three tournaments. He finished 11th last week and won $37,500. In his last tournament, he wrapped his six iron around a tree when he went into the water and two bad holes kept him from the win If Tiger gets in the 150th money position, then he is entitled to an \"unlimted number of sponsor exemptions\". If he makes 125th he gets his tour card. After 3 pro tournaments he is 166th on the money list."}, {"response": 2, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (12:47)", "body": "First of all Tiger Wood has already proven he will go down as one of the great players in the game. 3 Amature Titles What about the NCAA investigation into his turning pro?????????"}, {"response": 3, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (12:47)", "body": ""}, {"response": 4, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:54)", "body": "I'm Tiger Woods"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (01:10)", "body": "I'm Tiger Woods."}, {"response": 6, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Thu, Jul 24, 1997 (13:20)", "body": "I'm Justin Leonard."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jul 25, 1997 (09:35)", "body": "Just in case?"}, {"response": 8, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (11:48)", "body": "Tiger Woods shot a rocking and rolling 65 which may be a record for the US Open at Pebble. Daly lost it on the 18th with a 14. Makes me feel not so bad about some the holes I've played. Man, I hope he doesn't get too drunk. Play got suspended. The US Open is gonna be good!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (12:17)", "body": "That guy (Daly) needs medical attention as welll as psychological help. Play suspended for fog... It really IS gonna be a good one! sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 24, "subject": "The Worm", "response_count": 6, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (00:00)", "body": "In the paper, ther's an article that says Dennis dad, Philander, had 27 kids and is going for 30. He lives in the Phillipines and Dennis hasn't seen him in 30 years. I think he got a pretty lucrative one year re-up with da Bulls."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (21:51)", "body": "Jordan says Rodman has lost interest in the game. Does Michael have a point here or is he just trying to light a fire under Dennis? Rodman is second in rebounding this year."}, {"response": 3, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (15:10)", "body": "come on what more can rodman dooooooo..... rebound #1 three in a row now Championship ring Own show on MTV has had every color in the rainbow hair and ended the baseball strike..... he has to be board......"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (22:12)", "body": "From the WELL sports conference: Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #450 of 484: Jerry (bost) Tue Jan 21 '97 (14:33) 13 lines If Dennis had not already been up to his eyeballs in shit with the league over the years his penalty would not have been as severe. But he has consistently brought negative attention to himself and this imo should be the biggest fine and suspension in league history. Actually, I feel the issue goes deeper than Dennis Rodman, who I bet is not as favorably looked upon by those we might think are impressionable like the younger kids watching the games, but if one person uses this as an example on how to conduct themselves in a sportsmanlike fashion then sports as I knew it is farthur and farthur away from me than I thought. Don't forget, the photog was there doing his \"job\" also. Did he kick Dennis for falling on him? If he broke the rule about where to shoot the game from, fine him. Suspend him. The NBA could not afford to not give Dennis the shaft. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #451 of 484: Michael Newman (jstraw) Tue Jan 21 '97 (15:08) 1 line No monopods courtside at basketball games. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #452 of 484: Glenn Mar (gmar) Tue Jan 21 '97 (18:46) 17 lines Jstraw, you are making a separate and not really even related point about the photography zone, and on that I agree. Actually, I agree with both your points. As someone who has shot plenty of hoop, everyone's probably better off with them deeper - leaves room for more photographers and the angles are just as good. My point about suing is also really unrelated. I think being kicked in the balls is a serious offense no matter who does it. I would hurt just as much if a poor guy did it to me as if a rich guy did. I am not the first to say that America is overly litigious. $200,000 seems fair, considering Rodman's income, but some settlement in the millions would be ridiculous. As you say, we should all be so lucky. I only saw the replay once, but it looked like Rodman just didn't like getting up from a fall and seeing a videocamera in his face. He actually fell on someone else. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #453 of 484: Michael Newman (jstraw) Tue Jan 21 '97 (19:07) 2 lines The notion that personal injury settlements shopuld be based on the perps ability to pay makes me shudder. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #454 of 484: Jerry (bost) Tue Jan 21 '97 (20:29) 5 lines Dennis doesn't mind the cameraman so close to the court when he makes a play and wants to mug for the guy....\"I'm the man, this is my house\".And runs the court with arms waving, to make sure the camera at the other end stays on him. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #455 of 484: name withheld Tue Jan 21 '97 (20:53) 8 lines #453 -- why does it make you shudder? There are two types of awards made in personal injury cases: compensatory, which reimburse the plaintiff (be it for lost property, medical expenses, pain and suffering, or whatever) and punitive, which punish the defendant in an attempt to discourage repeat incidents by him or others like him. Compensatory damages are based on the actual damages, but the punitive awards are based on the defendant's ability to pay (because they are designed to hurt; it has to be enough so that he'll feel it). Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #456 of 484: Andrew J. Dhuey (dhuey) Tue Jan 21 '97 (23:20) 4 lines Here, here on #455. This is nasty, *intentional* wrongdoing we're talking about here. You have no business doing such a thing in a civilized society. If you do, expect to be punished. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #457 of 484: Glenn Mar (gmar) Wed Jan 22 '97 (18:05) 4 lines [name withheld]'s right - that *is* what's happening today. My point is that it strikes me as overdone when people look for someone to sue, and \"coincidentally\" find more cause to sue rich people. That to me is golddigging and over-encouraged in our courts. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #458 of 484: Andrew J. Dhuey (dhuey) Wed Jan 22 '97 (23:23) 7 lines Sounds pretty just to me. Wealthy folks get to enjoy so much more of what a capitalist society has to offer. The fact that they are not judgment proof gives them extra incentive to behave themselves. There a plenty of examples of frivolous, unnecessary litigation. I think that cases seeking punitives against rich *intentional* wrongdoers is the civil justice system at its best. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #459 of 484: deny the piety in the Pope's appendix (lipow) Thu Jan 23 '97 (08:37) 1 line Only a fraction of 1% of all civil cases are found to be frivolous. Topic 637 [sports]: Dennis Rodman makin' waves! #460 of 484: Andrew J. Dhuey (dhuey) Thu Jan 23 '97 (10:59) 4 lines \"found\" is your key work there. If you consider the cases in which the plaintiff is about to go down in flames and cuts an \"each side walks away from this cas"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (12:17)", "body": "As the word turns, so good the bulls. And his 3-4 rebounds a game these days are putting da Bulls in the hole with the Jazz. And the Mormon slam and the Vegas trip. Time for the worm to get serious about guarding the mailman. Or da Bulls may go down."}, {"response": 6, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (22:02)", "body": "The worm wants folks to look on his positive side. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 25, "subject": "Favorite sports nicknames", "response_count": 7, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (12:51)", "body": "Walter Sweetness Payton Dribbling Dick Dickerson Phi Slama Jamma"}, {"response": 2, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (15:08)", "body": "OH YEA FIGHTING IRISH OF NOTRE DAME"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (05:46)", "body": "Do you get the feeling that TJ's pumped up?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "joshd", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (22:50)", "body": "I'd vote for Clyde the Glide, I think. Or, come to think of it, Phi Slamma Jamma."}, {"response": 5, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (22:02)", "body": "the worm."}, {"response": 6, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (17:28)", "body": "some rodent names are cool.. whitey herzog (the white rat)... don zimmer (the gerbil)... avian names- mark fidrych (the bird)... doug rader (the red rooster)... reptilian names- nate colbert (the iguana)... john mcmullen (the snake)... legendary names- walter johnson (big train) babe ruth (bambino, sultan of swat, etc...) ty cobb (the georgia peach) pete rose (charlie hustle)* joe dimaggio (joltin' joe) joe jackson (shoeless joe)* other misc.- \"blue moon\" odom... \"cool papa\" bell... \"oil can\" boyd... \"catfish\" hunter... and- cannot forget- dick \"dr. strangeglove\" stuart (\"give me some lead, babee!\") *denotes \"should be in hall-of-fame\", like other legends mentioned are..."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (18:07)", "body": "Pete should be in the Hall of Fame. It's time. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 26, "subject": "The Fighting Irish of Notre Dame", "response_count": 28, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (15:13)", "body": "Rockne, Gipp, Horning, Montana, Thiesmann, Parseghain and the many other famous and infamous players from the University of Notre Dame would all be proud to know there is a Notre Dame section in Texas on www.spring.com!!!!!!!! I will attempt to keep the topic interesting and fill it in with as much History as current information. First Trivia Question????????? What college team has won more National Championships than any other????? Your right, Notre Dame 11 outright and 2 tied for 13 total 1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977 and 1988 outright 1920 & 1953 shared. Oklahoma is # 2 with 6 National Titles"}, {"response": 2, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (15:19)", "body": "OK I couldn't leave it at just one today! I'm all excited about this topic!!!!!!! Trivia Question #2 What college has had more Heismann Trophy winners than any other?????? YOUR RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!! Notre Dame has had 7 Downtown Athletic Club Champions 1943 Angelo Bertelli 1947 John Lujack 1949 Leon Hart 1953 John Lattner 1956 Paul Hornung 1964 John Huarte 1987 Tim Brown"}, {"response": 3, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (15:52)", "body": "Forget."}, {"response": 4, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (16:47)", "body": "Forget What??????? That Notre Dame presently has more active players in the NFL than any other school."}, {"response": 5, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (12:35)", "body": "Trivia Question # 3 What college has had the most First Team All Americans Wow, yes it is Notre Dame with 170 First Team All-Americans the most of any school. Trivia Question # 4 What college has the most members of the College Football Hall of Fame But of course..... Notre Dame with 35 players inducted since it opened. Trivia Question # 5 What college has had the most First Round Draft Picks in the NFL Trick answer????? There are two teams tied with the most first round draft picks. USC and Notre Dame are tied at the most first round draft picks with 54 each. Ohio State is third at 44."}, {"response": 6, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (12:38)", "body": "Trivia Question # 6 UCLA Basketball holds the record for consecutive wins in college basketball at 88 games. Do you know what team ended that run???????? Yep, your all correct...... Notre Dame"}, {"response": 7, "author": "fred", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (15:15)", "body": "trivia question #7 What team will be destroyed by ohio state this weekend? You guessed it!Notre dame!!!!!Watch out for number 45 on defense!45 that number sounds familiar.....hummmmmmm-Archie Griffin!He gave his number to this up and coming great linebacker!"}, {"response": 8, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (15:42)", "body": "Well hello fred, your a new voice and I take it you must be an Ohio State Fan as most of the Texas fans have not been heard from since the game. I have a very good friend in Bastrop whom I believe is the other OSU fan in Texas. And like I told her, Notre Dame is at their own home, Lou knows this is the game to win if any chance at the National Title. And #45 does not an entire defense make, Notre Dame by 2."}, {"response": 9, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (15:47)", "body": "I exited to soon fred, don't try that look at what we've done this year argument because it didn't work for Texas either. Of course you can run up high scores against schools that couldn't beat any of the USA Todays High School top 20. This time they will have to face a team with the defense on the field. I'm not saying Ohio State isn't good, its just not as good at Notre Dame.!!!!!!!!!! See the College Picks section and look at my prediction for the final poll of the year. So far I'm moving right al ng. And I still stand by the picks."}, {"response": 10, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 1996 (16:52)", "body": "With 35 plus players in the pro ranks, One team could become a champion just by putting them all together. Actually Fantasy Football Leaguers ought to look at this list. Rick Mirer - QB Steve Beuerlein - QB Jerome Bettis - FB Ricky Watters - RB Reggie Brooks - TB Anthony Johnson - FB Raghib Ismail - WR Lake Dawson - WR Tim Brown - WR Tim Ruddy - C Tim Grunhard - C Gen McGuire - C Demetrius Dubose - LB Anthony Peterson - LB Deven McDonald - LB Scott Kowakowski - LB Brian Ratigan - LB Andy Heck - OT Bob Dahl - OT Lindsay Knapp - OG Derek Brown - TE Irv Smith - TE Tom Carter - DB Rod Smith - DB Willie Clark - CB Jeff Burris - CB/S Todd Lyght CB Bobby Taylor - CB Pat Terrell - FS Pat Eilers - S Bryant Yount - DT Chris Zorich - DT Jim Flanigan - DT Frank Stams - DE John Carney - K Craig Hentrich - P"}, {"response": 11, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (12:53)", "body": "Notre Dame has played against 130 different colleges and universities since its football program began. Only 7 teams have a winning record vs the fighting Irish. Yale 1 - 0 Georgia 1 - 0 Indianapolis 1 - 0 Great Lakes 2 - 1 Florida State 3 - 1 Chicago 4 - 0 Michigan 15 - 10 Beginning this season the Irish record was 738 wins 219 loses and 42 ties."}, {"response": 12, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (13:07)", "body": "Notre Dame has played against 130 different colleges and universities since its football program began. Only 7 teams have a winning record vs the fighting Irish. Yale 1 - 0 Georgia 1 - 0 Indianapolis 1 - 0 Great Lakes 2 - 1 Florida State 3 - 1 Chicago 4 - 0 Michigan 15 - 10 Beginning this season the Irish record was 738 wins 219 loses and 42 ties."}, {"response": 13, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (13:12)", "body": "The real trivia question # 7 What college has had the most players earn consensus All-American Honors? And once again the answer is Notre Dame with 76 consensus All-Americans. As a matter of fact, Notre Dame has had a consensus All-American for 25 of the last 30 years including 17 years in a row from 1964 to 1981 which covers all 11 years for Coach Parseghian and all 6 years for Coach Devine."}, {"response": 14, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (13:15)", "body": "Trivia Question # 8 What college has provided the most actual # 1 picks in the NFL Draft? Who else.....Notre Dame with 5"}, {"response": 15, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (13:23)", "body": "Trivia Question # 9 What school has produced the most First Team All-Americans selected by UNANIMOUS decision? Well considering that Notre Dames has the most First Team All-Americans at 170 it would figure that they should have the most selected by unanimous decision. and that number is 29."}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (15:12)", "body": "You're answering these before we have chance. I was going to take a wild guess that it was Notre Dame."}, {"response": 17, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (16:15)", "body": "Ok then, Name each one????????? Thanks for the topic, this is my own little sports heaven!"}, {"response": 18, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 1996 (11:10)", "body": "What College has graduated 100% of all their Basketball Players since 1962???? OK, you guys your getting to good at this!!! As a matter of fact, Notre Dame has graduated 98% of their scholorship football players who had finished their eligibility at Notre Dame. The College Football Association has presented Notre Dame with the Highest Graduation Rate Award on 5 occasions. And for all Student-Atheletes Notre Dame has ranked in the Top 5 of all division 1-A schools every year since 1962....."}, {"response": 19, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Oct  9, 1996 (11:10)", "body": "I would like to take this time to congratulate boyce and fred.....You were right and Ohio State was the better team on the day.......Good Luck on your teams quest to the National Championship......(ROSE BOWL???????). I sure would have enjoyed the last tree minutes of the game more, if the runback hadn't been called back???? Ohio State Won --- Notre Dame Lost Great win............"}, {"response": 20, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (12:49)", "body": "The Fighting Irish was not the official name of the Notre Dame Football Team until the mid 1950's. What was the official football team name...... The Notre Dame_______________________..."}, {"response": 21, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (12:51)", "body": "The Fighting Irish was not the official name of the Notre Dame Football Team until the mid 1950's. What was the official football team name...... The Notre Dame_______________________..."}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (20:09)", "body": "Raiders?"}, {"response": 23, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (13:35)", "body": "Terry very close, but the official name was the NOTRE DAME RAMBLERS"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (21:37)", "body": "Not bad for a wild guess."}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (11:53)", "body": "TJ how abougt some more Irish updates and trivia?"}, {"response": 26, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (12:27)", "body": "Still collecting data for the new season, most of the team returning, including our infamous quarterback, but need to find out just a little bit more about our new coach before season predictions. Will increase participation in August with new trivia and other stuff."}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (16:22)", "body": "Whois the new coatch? Dan Devine?"}, {"response": 28, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (23:49)", "body": "No, it's Lou Holtz. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 27, "subject": "pickup games - touch football, basketball and softball", "response_count": 5, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "max", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (12:23)", "body": "Saturday or Sunday afternoon, Zilker Park for a little two-hand touch below tha waist... (sounds like it should be at Oilcan Harry's)... whaddya say?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (21:30)", "body": "Let's shoot for weekend after next. Zilker Park. At the area above Barton Springs where the picnic tables are. Near the hillside theater. Any preferences as to Saturday or Sunday?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (00:54)", "body": "Frisbee golf at the Bastrop Spring bash. July 5th, all day. Email terry@spring.com or call 512 303 4000 for details."}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, May 30, 2000 (23:37)", "body": "Not sure where this goes but here is where it is going now: http://starbulletin.com/2000/05/30/sports/ W O M E N 'S _ F O O T B A L L She says that her favorite quarterback is Drew Bledsoe of the New England Patriots. With the No. 7 emblazoned on her Hawaiian Storm jersey, her sturdy build, her rifle arm and running ability, she looks and plays more like John Elway. Her name is Heather Stone, and she is the woman under center for the Storm, one of the teams in a new and loosely formed women's tackle football league in Hawaii. While women's tackle football leagues have sprung up and been successful on the mainland, the sport is struggling to get a foothold in the islands. There have been only two official games in the past six months -- both blowout victories by the Storm -- and the league and its teams are struggling for funding and sponsorship. Despite the fact that these women play not for money, but for the adrenaline rush of the contact and pride, there is absolutely no denying that many have sound and sometimes impressive football skills. The hitting gets vicious, even compared with the men's game, and spectacular running and pass plays are not uncommon. Stone, a former professional softball catcher from Newport, N.H., is one of the standouts in the sport locally. She has the familiar hitch step before the ball is snapped, she can throw a tight post pass or the touch-fade, and she is fearless running the option or keeping the ball herself on draw plays. Though she doesn't typically do so in games, she can throw the ball 50 yards downfield without much difficulty. \"Heather is just a pure athlete,\" said Storm head coach Ben Morn. \"Physically she is strong and can take a lot of pain, and she is improving mentally. She has gone from a quarterback who used to get frustrated, to one who now controls the offense.\" Dictating the offensive flow is exactly what Stone did in the Storm's last game earlier this month, a 44-0 shellacking of the Hawaii Thunder. Stone showed her versatility and toughness throughout, throwing for two scores and rushing for two more touchdowns. She was successful on two 2-point conversions, and she got right back to her feet after every hit she absorbed. \"I like to pass, but I also like to run the option and include everybody in the offense,\" Stone said. Though Stone and her teammates will likely take a six-month break before suiting up for another game, they routinely practice three times a week. She is a working professional, just like most of the other women in the league. Stone is employed as a counselor with Hale Kipa Youth Services and is also assistant softball coach at Brigham Young University-Hawaii. \"I finally know why guys get so excited to play football,\" Stone said of her enthusiasm for the game. \"I have a whole new respect for them. It's so much more intense than the other sports I played -- getting hit and not knowing when you're going to get hit -- I give the guys a lot of credit.\" Though the league is struggling for viability, Morn and Stone see a future for women's tackle football in Hawaii. The decent-sized crowd at Kaiser Field for the last game attested to public interest, and with the sometimes loud and raucous cheering that went on, it appeared that many of these fans would come back for more. \"I think that if we get the sponsorship so that we can go and compete with the mainland teams, the league will continue to develop,\" Stone said. \"Money will always be a concern; it's the reason we don't have a professional men's team here.\""}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr 29, 2001 (19:22)", "body": "Hawaiian Storm, still blowin'? sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 28, "subject": "darts", "response_count": 31, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 1996 (15:06)", "body": "Yeah, I throw a couple times a week, typically at the Crown and Anchor... Won a tight game of mouse last night on 4 bulls with 3 darts."}, {"response": 2, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (09:39)", "body": "I'll try to fill in some good info on the local dart scene..... Leagues, Tournaments and such. Also probably a little trivia. Hope you all enjoy it. T.J."}, {"response": 3, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (13:35)", "body": "Perfect games are fairly commonplace in Bowling. How frequently do ranked players hit a perfect game of cricket (8 darts)? Anyone? I think my best game ever was in the low twenties."}, {"response": 4, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 1996 (10:51)", "body": "Boyce, as cricket is only considered a competitive game in 6 of the 47 member countries of the World Dart Federation....Most of the top ranked players in the world don't practice or play the game on a regular basis. For the 6 contries that do recognize the game as competitive in competition. The U.S. is by far the highest calibre of player. Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark & Finland are the other 5. South Africa was talking about making it a competitive game in 1994, but from what I understand, the S Dart Federation did not approve the measure. As for perfect games, I only know of about 20 total and they all belong to Top Calibre Americans with the exception of Dave Anderson from England who had one at the Dallas Internationl. I personally have only seen 2, both were shot against me 1 at the New Orleans Classic in 1987 and one at the Iceland International in 1991. My closest game is 9 knocking my first bull out of the board when I threw the second dart, then needed the third. If it holds true to other darting records, you would probably be lucky to have 1 perfect game out of 10,000 games."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 1996 (13:31)", "body": "What is the regulation distance that players have to stand from the dartboard?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Oct  4, 1996 (09:35)", "body": "7'9 1/4\" .....Seven Feet, Nine and One Quarter Inches..... Length agreed upon by the WDF.......It is believed that the final number is an average of all the official lengths from the initial members of the WDF. Length used to be measured by beer barrels then beer cases. As not all barrels and cases were the same size from country to country, various lengths existed. Wales and Scotland use to throw from 8 feet, Some places in England was 7 while others were 7 1/2.. U.S. was from 6 feet in New England and New York while it was 7 1/2 in PA and NJ....."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  4, 1996 (18:57)", "body": "So that's now the worldwide standard?"}, {"response": 8, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (10:20)", "body": "Yes, 7' 9 1/4\""}, {"response": 9, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (16:10)", "body": "Is there a similar story on the height? :)"}, {"response": 10, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Nov  4, 1996 (11:30)", "body": "Sorry that I have not been around in a while but, have had other things come up. I really do not know the story on height, but I would venture to say it is probably similar. A agreed upon or average of the member countries. It is 5'8\" to the center of the bull for the english style board. Using a Widdy Board the height is 5'3\" to the bull. For those that live in Bastrop, There is a new NEW new dart league starting. the Bastrop, Elgin, Smithville, Texas (B.E.S.T) Dart Association meets every Thursday at 8:00 PM at the Old Tyme Tavern, downtown Bastrop. I think once there is enough players the league will be on Tuesdays???? Anyone interested in playing, just show up on Thursday at the Old Tyme"}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  4, 1996 (18:10)", "body": "Will you be there?"}, {"response": 12, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (12:33)", "body": "Paul, yes I run the Bastrop Association.........hope to see you on a Thursday night..........This Thursday, 12 Dec 1996, the The Old Tyme Tavern Team representing BASTROP will be competing against Hueble's Pub representing SMITHVILLE. The match will start at 7:30 PM at the Old Tyme Tavern....current holders of the B.E.S.T. Challenge Trophy............Hope to see you there...."}, {"response": 13, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (12:38)", "body": "Paul do you play darts, if I rememeber correctly you live in the Cedar Creek area, and we are still trying to get a team in that area if you are interested let me know......TJ"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (20:10)", "body": "I'll try and make it. Call me on my pager Thursday around 5 and remind me ok? It's 320-3216."}, {"response": 15, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (13:32)", "body": "Paul, we will be at the Old Tyme Tavern, this Thursday (2 Jan) at 7:30 if you want to play, hope to see you there."}, {"response": 16, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (13:33)", "body": "Paul, we will be at the Old Tyme Tavern, this Thursday (2 Jan) at 7:30 if you want to play, hope to see you there."}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (21:38)", "body": "The \"Old Tyme Tavern\" is on Main Street, Bastrop?"}, {"response": 18, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (10:26)", "body": "Yep, you got it right, hope to see you Thursday, bring your darts"}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (10:36)", "body": "Darts? You mean you have to bring your own. Do I get these at Walmart?"}, {"response": 20, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (10:00)", "body": "Best place to get a set of darts is the GAS PIPE (an old head shop) downtown"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (22:10)", "body": "What does a set run?"}, {"response": 22, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jan  8, 1997 (20:59)", "body": "Paul the average price is up somewhat from what I paid for mine in 1976.....But I would advise that you not pay less than $20.00 (ensure yourself some quality and a TUNGSTON barrel) 90% or 95% tungston is best.......but no more than $40.00......"}, {"response": 23, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jan  8, 1997 (21:04)", "body": "And before I leave.......it is the dart that feels comfortable to you.......check out a few different shapes and size......GAS PIPE even has a practice board to throw at......and the one that feels most comfortable is the one for you.......... Also try to keep the weight between 19 to 23 grams.........that is the average weight for most players.........their are lighter and heavier darts but most players stay between 19 and 23......... Shape and length of shafts and flights is simply a matter of personal taste......."}, {"response": 24, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jan  8, 1997 (21:11)", "body": "And before I leave.......it is the dart that feels comfortable to you.......check out a few different shapes and size......GAS PIPE even has a practice board to throw at......and the one that feels most comfortable is the one for you.......... Also try to keep the weight between 19 to 23 grams.........that is the average weight for most players.........their are lighter and heavier darts but most players stay between 19 and 23......... Shape and length of shafts and flights is simply a matter of personal taste......."}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (22:45)", "body": "I looked in Oshmann's tonight and no dice. Uh, I mean, no darts."}, {"response": 26, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (11:35)", "body": "Paul, I think they carry some at acadamy, but I don't know if you can try them out there??????.......I know that the GAS PIPE will let you throw a few before you make a decision........and it is about...just off of I35 on ???? either 4th or 5th (I think).....I know how to get there but don't know the address.... P.S. We are playing at the Old Tyme Tavern in Bastrop......TONIGHT"}, {"response": 27, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Feb 26, 1997 (15:46)", "body": "Paul, OK once again.......Thursday, Nite, 7:30, Old Tyme Tavern, Bastrop......Pull yourself away from the computer and enjoy a game or two. Will call your pager on Thursday......email me at tjc@eng7.tracor.com"}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Mar  1, 1997 (11:58)", "body": "Email and page me Thursday. I'll make it if I can!"}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (11:28)", "body": "Are you still playing at the Old Tyme Tavern, TJ?"}, {"response": 30, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (12:24)", "body": "Terry, will be at the old tyme tonight.......11 June, 7:30"}, {"response": 31, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (23:54)", "body": "How'd you do TJ? sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 29, "subject": "San Antonio Spurs", "response_count": 54, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (00:42)", "body": "Don't know if this is the year, since the Spurs tend to do well in the regular season (overachieve) and do poorly in the playoffs (achieve at their ability). So what you think about the San Antonio Spurs this coming year. When will they ever figure out that they can't win with Vinnie of the Black and Avery Johnson at starting guards, backup guards maybe, but not the starting guards for a team that has championship aspirations."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (00:44)", "body": "Who can they get?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (00:46)", "body": "I would have to agree with what the \"Coach\" from the Austin Chonicle wrote me this about the Spurs: The spurs are in nowhere land. They did nothing to improve(Vernon Maxwell??) while the other top Western teams did. Which means the Spurs went backwards. AJ has turned himself into a decent point guard. His and Del Negro's improvment last year was a big reason for Spur regular season sucess. Their poor playoff performance a big reason for failure. It's the SA total dependance on the fast break wide open g me which dooms them in the slow down playoffs. AJ could be an asset in this type of situation. With no muscle anywhere, he's a non-factor. Not good or bad."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  8, 1996 (01:06)", "body": "The Rodman trade was one of the poorest moves they made. They made the Bulls while they got who? Bill Perdue? I don't recall the exact details. This trade may have been precipitated because Coach Hill couldn't get along with the worm whereas the more metraphysical Phil Jackson could integrate him into the Bulls tribe; Jackson being less rigid and militaristic."}, {"response": 5, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sat, Oct 19, 1996 (00:46)", "body": "I know how it is only preseason and everything, but the Spur's have really been getting their ass kicked so far. Dominique Wilkens could be a pretty good pickup, and maybe the Spurs can pick up a decent shooting guard from the waiver wire or something, but so far it seems like the same old tired Spurs team."}, {"response": 6, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 1996 (00:36)", "body": "See the Spurs won yesterday. Too bad Wilkens can't play yet because of the contract problems. Mad Max had a pretty good game, maybe he can contribute some points and push Vinnie of the Black out of a starting role."}, {"response": 7, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 1996 (23:56)", "body": "the season starts soon. Too bad the NBA regular season seems more like a long preseason, but with baseball over, it will be a good diversion on the weekdays."}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 27, 1996 (13:17)", "body": "I'm glad the NBA season is here. My two favorite sports are college basketball and NBA basketball."}, {"response": 9, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 1996 (23:53)", "body": "Here is the Spurs roster as of late last week: # Name Pos Ht Wt Birthdate College Year Yrs 50\ufffdDavid Robinson* \ufffdC \ufffd7-1 \ufffd250 \ufffd08/06/65 \ufffdNavy '87 \ufffd7 \ufffd 41\ufffdWill Perdue \ufffdC \ufffd7-0 \ufffd240 \ufffd08/29/65 \ufffdVanderbilt '88 \ufffd8 34\ufffdGreg Kite \ufffdC-F \ufffd6-11 \ufffd263 \ufffd08/05/61 \ufffdBrigham Young '83 11 \ufffd 33\ufffdGreg Anderson \ufffdC-F \ufffd6-10 250 \ufffd06/22/64 \ufffdHouston '87 \ufffd8 \ufffd 32\ufffdSean Elliott \ufffdF \ufffd6-8 \ufffd220 \ufffd02/02/68 \ufffdArizona '89 \ufffd7 54\ufffdCharles Smith \ufffdF \ufffd6-10 244 \ufffd07/16/65 \ufffdPittsburgh '88 \ufffd8 21\ufffdDominique Wilkins \ufffdF \ufffd6-8 \ufffd215 \ufffd01/12/60 \ufffdGeorgia '82 \ufffd12 7\ufffdCa l Herrera \ufffdF \ufffd6-9 \ufffd225 \ufffd12/14/66 \ufffdHouston '90 \ufffd5 3\ufffdMonty Williams F \ufffd6-8 \ufffd225 \ufffd10/08/71 \ufffdNotre Dame '94 \ufffd2 45\ufffdChuck Person* \ufffdF \ufffd6-8 \ufffd235 \ufffd06/27/64 \ufffdAuburn '86 \ufffd10 \ufffd \ufffd 6\ufffdAvery Johnson \ufffdG \ufffd5-11 180 \ufffd03/25/65 \ufffdSouthern '88 \ufffd8 \ufffd 15\ufffdVinny Del Negro G \ufffd6-4 \ufffd200 \ufffd08/09/66 \ufffdNorth Carolina State '88 \ufffd6 11\ufffdVernon Maxwell G \ufffd6-4 \ufffd190 \ufffd09/12/65 \ufffdFlorida '88 \ufffd7 \ufffd 1\ufffdCory Alexander \ufffdG \ufffd6-1 \ufffd190 \ufffd06/22/73 \ufffdVirginia '95 \ufffd1 \ufffd 12\ufffdElmer Bennett \ufffdG \ufffd6-0 \ufffd170 \ufffd02/13/70 \ufffdNotre Dame '92 \ufffd2 \ufffd 24\ufffdDexter Boney \ufffdG \ufffd6-4 \ufffd200 \ufffd04/2 /70 \ufffdNevada Las Vegas \ufffdR"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 1996 (04:43)", "body": "Yeah I heard something about 'nique. An impact player!"}, {"response": 11, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 1996 (23:10)", "body": "Sorry folks about the mess above but it sure looked good before I sent it. Season starts Friday and the Admiral is out for 2 to 4 weeks. Probably will start Will Perdue in his place, meaning the Spurs will be lucky to be .500 when the Admiral returns. Heard on the radio that Wilkens might play off guard (anything is better than Vinnie of the Black), I did not know he could play guard? Also the Statesman is supposed to have a section on the Spurs Wednesday."}, {"response": 12, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Wed, Oct 30, 1996 (23:30)", "body": "Has anyone notice how old the Spurs are. They have two players with less than 5 years experience and only 3 with less than 7 years or less experience. I bet that they are one if not the oldest team in the league. Just hoping that Vernon Maxwell can contribute about 10 to 14 points per game and about 4 assist. When the Rifleman gets healthy then they could start phasing out little Avery and Vinnie of the Black."}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 1996 (00:46)", "body": "Da Bulls seem to do ok on experience and aging players. And Houston does some of this too. I guess if you can use older players to win championships, then great. I'd like to see the Bulls pick up 60 year old Wilt Chamberlain for a center. He could probably help their team. I'm real glad to see Dominique join the Spurs, this could be one of their smarter moves. The guy has the potential to energize the team."}, {"response": 14, "author": "sfpclot", "date": "Thu, Nov 14, 1996 (00:21)", "body": "The Spurs will never be truly great as long as D. Robinson is on the team. Also as long as management thinks someone like the admiral should be their leader. Sorry, but I have ten times more respect for Worm than for the Admiral. I've never seen anyone point the finger more or more unwilling to accept responsibility. The Rockets on the other hand. . . The only question is can they all stay healthy at the same time, and do they have the depth?"}, {"response": 15, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (00:55)", "body": "Well they did get first pick in the draft."}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jun 17, 1999 (10:58)", "body": "Spurs take game one of the NBA finals, with Robinson and Duncan dominating the low post and the Spurs playing awesome defense. Did you make it to the game Ray? Spree and Houston didn't deliver as expected, and why was Larry Johnson in the game. And why don't they start Camby? The Knicks better wake up or they won't have a prayer. They at least need to help themselves. Duncan is bringing fundamentals back to basketball, which Jordan unintentionally has drawn kids away from for years. Like Duncan's soft bank shots from the side. You won't see Tim whooping and celebrating and gyrating from the rim, he's just a sound, fundamental guy."}, {"response": 17, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Thu, Jun 17, 1999 (12:30)", "body": ""}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jun 21, 1999 (09:14)", "body": "Now they're up two games heading to NYC's Madison Square Garden for game 3 Monday night, hey, that's tonight. This is a real pivotal game because they'll either go up 3 zip or the Knicks will be back in the hunt down 1-2."}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (00:45)", "body": "Game 3. I'm watching it. It's down the last minutes and the Knicks are doing the job tonight. 2:18 to go and the Knicks have an 8 point lead."}, {"response": 20, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (12:01)", "body": "ouch."}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jun 22, 1999 (12:10)", "body": "They lost. But the Spurs are still up 2-1. But it may be an exciting series instead of a blowout sweep."}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jun 26, 1999 (07:38)", "body": "In an exciting final game last night, the Spurs finally found vindication. They brought home the Championship. The twin towers delivered with help from a gutty, scrapping secondary of Mario Elie, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott. The Knicks really gave them a battle, with Latrell Sprewell trying to pick them up on his shoulders all night. But it all came down to one final shot and Latrell, with the clock ticking off the final seconds, couldn't get a good shot off over Duncan and Robinson. Good game and good ending to and NBA season. Now, watch all hell break loose in San Antonio . . ."}, {"response": 23, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (06:24)", "body": "... I hope not. Enough violence around as it is, one would guess..."}, {"response": 24, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (06:26)", "body": "... but then, you don't really have a sports hooliganism scene, do you?"}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (10:30)", "body": "Actually, San Antonio had a very nonviolent celebration, with the players floating along on boats. This is a very big deal for San Antonio to get it's first major sports title."}, {"response": 26, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (10:35)", "body": "I'm happy for this beautiful city with its pretty and remarkable riverwalk! Say, didn't Ray say he was from there? What's he up to these days?"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (10:39)", "body": "Celebrating maybe? Ray's a big Spurs fan."}, {"response": 28, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (10:52)", "body": "Hallo Ray! Herzlichen Gl\ufffdckwunsch! (Perhaps he's around and sees this... Hey Terry, but these two fellas they have, they really are, huh, tall or something!)"}, {"response": 29, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (10:57)", "body": "my parents called at 6am on Saturday morning to tell me the news... of course I called them at midnight when the Broncos won..."}, {"response": 30, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (11:06)", "body": "...so, are you still on talking terms? ;=}"}, {"response": 31, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (11:10)", "body": "Tim Duncan, one of San Antonios 7' twin towers, had a promising swim career when hurricane Hugo destroyed the pool he practiced in, so he started playing basketball. Now he's the new best player in the world, now that Michael's not playing. David Robinson is one of the most well developed humans alive."}, {"response": 32, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Mon, Jun 28, 1999 (11:18)", "body": "Physically and mentally?"}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jun 29, 1999 (10:04)", "body": "Physically for certain, he's overpowering. Mentally, he's one of the kindest and gentlest philanthropists San Antonios ever seen. There's a lot of hugging and good feelings going on down there, nothing like the melee and riots we've seen in other cities. No overturned cars and burnings."}, {"response": 34, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Tue, Jun 29, 1999 (10:25)", "body": "Sounds like quite a sports person. Gotta look out for his bio on a cereal box!"}, {"response": 35, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (09:09)", "body": "Great Spurs game last night. David Robinson went all out, and kept up with Shaq and scored the decisive overtime points to give the Spurs home court in their opening playoff series against Phoenix. They ended up beating the Lakers in 3 out of 4 games this year. The Lakers as in the best record in the NBA!"}, {"response": 36, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (19:56)", "body": "Fantastic Game. Should be interesting now that the Lakers are not the only ones who know how to get the ball to drop!"}, {"response": 37, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (00:18)", "body": "It was a real chess match between Pop and the Zen Master. Pop won this time by keeping Robinson out and by Jackson's move to put Shaq back in forcing Pop to move David back on the board."}, {"response": 38, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (17:37)", "body": "I caught the opening Spurs playoff game and it went right down to the buzzer, Sean Elliott got robbed of a foul call on a running jumper that would have brought a different outcome. Spurs lost by a point or two. Now the Jazz and Suns are going at it."}, {"response": 39, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (18:03)", "body": "You should be dreaming hoops shortly. Are the Spurs out, now? Single elimination? If so, who else are we rooting for?"}, {"response": 40, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (18:11)", "body": "Nope, just game of of the best of 5. They'd have to lose two more to be out."}, {"response": 41, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (18:17)", "body": "Oh Good! The matchup chart they had on the telly this morning looked suspicioulsly like single elimination. *whew*"}, {"response": 42, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (18:24)", "body": "No, it's actually a long drawn out affair. Till at least labor day. Elian Gonzales may be graduating from the University of Miami before it's over. The ancient, aging Jazz, Spurs, Pacers and Heat should benefit from the long gaps in between games. Enough time to check in and out of the rest home."}, {"response": 43, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (19:22)", "body": "*lol* Longer than the College Big Dances?! I am all amazement. I guess they leave it on long enough that when they finally finish we are into Football and don't want to think about basketball anymore. I am glad I can get so much done without missing much."}, {"response": 44, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (03:44)", "body": "Speaking of retirement homes, aging Karl Malone pumped in 50 in tonights win and the Heat are searing hot. Malone has a new, more rugged look with the shaved head and walrus mustache. Stockton and Hornicek are still hobbling up and down the court with their walkers. Malone had 48 and his team mates were determined to get him the extra two. And they did."}, {"response": 45, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (14:58)", "body": "I saw that! Karl Malone is a phenom of the first order. Gets the job done without being bizarre about it. Karl just \"do it.\""}, {"response": 46, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (19:43)", "body": "Looks like SA will be minus Duncan for another game. The Spurs may be the team with the best chance to knock off the Lakers. But for one little detail, Phoenix."}, {"response": 47, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (19:53)", "body": "On any given day... I think the Spurs can do it! It comes down to who wants it more with that talent available to both sides."}, {"response": 48, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Apr 25, 2000 (22:41)", "body": "I just saw the Spurs make a \"sensational\" play, it was a fast break after Pop caught a technical. Behind the back pass to Robinson who slammed it. 47-37 Spurs with 40 secs. to go in the first half. And Robinson just hit a great fadeaway jumper for his 21st point. Then Avery races the court for a cuople of more 51-37. This is great Spurs basketball, a 19-5 run."}, {"response": 49, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Apr 25, 2000 (23:30)", "body": "Robinson is awesome!!!"}, {"response": 50, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr 29, 2001 (19:23)", "body": "Yep, but Duncan is even more awesome, the Spurs are still alive as a contender this year."}, {"response": 51, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, May  8, 2002 (00:02)", "body": "What a game! It's the commercial. One second to go and the Spurs over the Lakers by two points! Kobie just doubled dribbled. Spurs in bound and Duncan gets fouled with .2 second remaining. The game's in LA. Spurs win 88-85!"}, {"response": 52, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, May 30, 2003 (01:18)", "body": "Steve Kerr was amazing last night for the Spurs, in their win over the Dallas Mavericks. He's been \"Ted Williams\" on ice all season and then, in a crucial point of game six, he comes in and hits four for four from the three point line and makes a diving save on defense. The 47 year old huffed and puffed and blew the Dallas house down!"}, {"response": 53, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, May 30, 2003 (01:19)", "body": ""}, {"response": 54, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (20:23)", "body": "The Spurs are in it again this year. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 3, "subject": "Hookem Horns - U of Texas Longhorns", "response_count": 127, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jul 22, 1996 (10:26)", "body": "This is the football only item, I should have put that in the title. The Runnin' basketball Horns will be another item."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (23:45)", "body": "They had an item on the news tonight about how the Horns are enjoying their high tech - low tech *grass* playing field. It cost a million bucks to set up a field where the rain is absorbed without ponding at the rate of up to 5 inches per hour. The UT running backs will be able to turn on a dime now. And UT has some pretty incredible running backs (Ricky Williams, et al). Today was a pretty good test with the Hrons practicing and all the rain we've been getting."}, {"response": 3, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (17:36)", "body": "Well all you horn fans, you have just a short time until the all time # 1 team in the Nation will once again lead you thru a few quarters of false hope then crush you in the fourth to once again leave Texas with a victory. The Fighting Irish as always will PLAY LIKE CHAMPIONS and leave the Longhorns grazing on their new grass, once again making that great Texas traditional statement, Wait til next year."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (00:52)", "body": "That million dollar hunk of grass didn't hurt the Horns one bit in their opener. In fact, they played on it like they knew every inch of it in a pounding downpour against my old school, Mizzou. Lightning was a major threat but hardly any fans split, they stuck around and the Horns rewarded their bravery with a stellar 2nd half. Ricky Williams played an awesome running game and Priest Holmes is *definitely* back among the living. These backs just stayed on their feet again and again and salvaged more and more yardage out of what could have been losses. Chalk it up for the Horns. But they are going to have to step it up for Notre Dame. If they play like this in the first half against the Irish, they'll definitely be in trouble."}, {"response": 5, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (10:11)", "body": "You said it all, their own field, pounding rain and mizz who????? I have no doubt that Texas will play a much better first half vs. ND it the staying with them that will cost."}, {"response": 6, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (17:35)", "body": "Come on Horns and Irish fans. No one else even interested?????? Would like to know of a place in or around Austin to watch the game with Irish Fans??????? Leons Country Store in Rockne might be a great place seeing as the town was named after Knute (A little texas/irish trivia for all you fans). My prediction still stands, Texas leads through 3 quarters, then the Fighting Irish rise up and in the memory of all the great Notre Dame teams, make ground beef out of the longhorns. GO IRISH PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION TODAY"}, {"response": 7, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (11:15)", "body": "I'll be watching this game at home, I'll want to catch every play, and I don't need the hype of screaming fans, I'm hyped enough as it is... Prediction: Horns by 10"}, {"response": 8, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (11:50)", "body": "Well boyce, you are obviously a misguided Texas fan. Truth is, Irish will win because they have more experience in the big games and in winning them. Irish by 4."}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 19, 1996 (07:51)", "body": "Both wrong. Horns by 3."}, {"response": 10, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (12:58)", "body": "OK guys, just 1 more day. Lou will find a way to win the game!!! Irish win in Texas (move into top 5), then defeat Ohio State and Washington at home. Glide through the rest of the season (Navy, Army, BC, USC). Finish season undefeated and play as the #2 in the National Championship game Vs. #1 Penn State. Nittany Lions get beat in a close one. Notre Dame # 1 1996 National Champions."}, {"response": 11, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (12:58)", "body": "After this game, can we have a Fighting Irish Page??????????????"}, {"response": 12, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (12:59)", "body": "After this game, can we have a Fighting Irish Page??????????????"}, {"response": 13, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (13:03)", "body": "In yesterday's Statesman, Lou Holtz claimed, \"God didn't put me on this earth to lose 4 times in Austin.\" So now God AND TJ want him to win?! Sounds a little desperate to me... Although, since God has taken over the job of picking Miss America (the current winner claims) maybe he's picking football games too. Funny how he can't get a republican in the white house, though..."}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (19:08)", "body": "Only if Notre Dame wins the game TJ, only then can you have a Fighting Irish page."}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (00:21)", "body": "Wet. Wet. Wet. That describes the pregame conditions. This definitely plays to the Horns."}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (11:49)", "body": "This is being hyped as the biggest game in Austin in 40 years. It rained all night and the skies are cloudy. I'm picking the Horns to win 34-31. If it's a low scoring game, Notre Dame will take it. Comparisons: Lou Holtz: always whining Mackovic: sipping wine Holtz may be the better motivator but Mackovic is the better offensive strategist. Holtz says \"it will sadden a lot of people if Notre Dame loses\". Aw gee. I was in HEB and it was a madhouse a little while ago. An hour before gametime and everyone's lined up to get their party stuff. Texas goes at at 6th nationally, Notre Dame 9th. Dick Vitale is picking Notre Dame to win, but, hey, this isn't basketball, babeeeee. He's in town for the game (two of his daughters we to Notre Dame and one married Ron Pawlus backup qb). Go Horns, hookem babeeeee!"}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (11:55)", "body": "It's the biggest thing that's ever, ever ever happened in Austin, Texas. - Rooster Andrews"}, {"response": 18, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (19:09)", "body": "Can someone answer me just one question about the game? Where in the hell did the Horns PASSING GAME GO in the 2nd Half? I kept seeing Mike Adams standing behind Mackovic (In Trouble???), and was confused!! Once again Mackovic's questionable play-calling loses us a big game......Oh well.....It was a pretty exciting game......Little Earl for Heismann!!!! On to Virginia to inflict some retaliation!!!"}, {"response": 19, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (01:09)", "body": "4 Reasons for the longhorns choking: 1. James Brown's interception in the fourth quarter and the subsequent longhorn drive stalling out after 3 and out - what was he thinking throwing to a back who was behind the line 5 yards and had a defensive player on his back 2. The Longhorn punter\ufffds shank in the fourth quarter which gave the Irish great field position to kick the winning field goal 3. The defense for not rising to the occasion and stopping the Irish offense when the needed to 4. Longhorn coaches - for being too impatient and for calling too many passing plays when they should have been running down the clock Another question, why does all the Austin media always get unrealistic expectations regarding Longhorn football, National Champs, I don\ufffdt think so. 8-3 or 7-4 with a minor, maybe major bowl game if they are lucky."}, {"response": 20, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 1996 (15:28)", "body": "Well Well Well, Good Monday morning to all you Horn Fans. Now who's whining, (mariner, mlydle) responses 18 & 19. As for you Terry and Boyce, better review responses 3, 6, 8 and 10. Next Ohio State at Home then the National Championship Go Notre Dame P.S. Fighting Irish Page has a nice ring to it"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (06:42)", "body": "OK OK Rub it in. So what user name do you want for the Frightning Irish web page?"}, {"response": 22, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (10:22)", "body": "I really don't need a web page for the Fighting Irish because there already is one. But it sure was nice to know that I could have one....... Just make it Topic 26 \"Fighting Irish Sports\""}, {"response": 23, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (12:16)", "body": "Go Bucks!"}, {"response": 24, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (13:57)", "body": "Is that all you have to say for yourself boyce???? GO BUCKS???? Just wait, you guys will have all basketball season to dump on the worst team in the Big East But until then ON TO THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP with the FIGHTING IRISH OF NOTRE DAME. This week OSU falls while looking up at touchdown Jesus at South Bend. I actually think that Texas is the better team in this weeks mishap but could fall in Virginia's home. Winning the big one and the close one still a problem (same as last week) for the Texas coaches. My heart tells me to take Texas by 7 but my gut tell me to take Virginia and 2. Does anyone know the current line???? Can Texas shake off the shock of last weeks loss??? Hope to see you all soon in the new topic?????? FIGHTING IRISH SPORTS."}, {"response": 25, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (13:58)", "body": ""}, {"response": 26, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (16:34)", "body": "Yeah. Go Bucks. You'll get yours. If last week demonstrated anything, it's that ND and Texas are in the same league, well short of national championship caliber. I think the Buckeyes will show us what it takes to compete. The line is 3 1/2, VA is favored. Meanwhile, the line on the OSU ND game has swung five points: Yesterday it was ND by 3, now OSU by 2. I would have put money I don't have on the bucks plus 3, this appears a little more realistic."}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 18, 1996 (09:10)", "body": "The Horns lived up to their potential in this weekends game against Kansas. Ricky Williams dreadlocks were flying and he rushed for almost as many yards as Kansas star running back but with about half as many attempts. 190 yards I believe. This clinches a bowl game and paves the way to a possible Big 12 title for the Horns. A win over A&M would really be a season maker now. I hope the Horns keep the running game in the game plan more."}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (00:12)", "body": "Thanksgiving brings the Texas/Texas A&M game is this week. If texas wins, they play the winner of Nebraska/Colorado. If Texas A&M beats Texas (shudder), there will be a three way tie between Texas Tech, Texas, and Texas A&M. Oh my gosh. The bonfire has been lit. The barbs have flown around. Priest Holmes has bared his chest. We're ready to ruuuuuuuuumble!"}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (23:34)", "body": "I'm glad the Horns (#27) have resurrected their season and are playing the big guys, Nebraska (#3) in my home town, St. Louis. Hook those Huskers!"}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (19:39)", "body": "Huskers and Horns go to it this Saturday up in St. Louis. Now is *not* the time for Texas defense to let down. They better come to the game early and work out extra hard. I predict UT 21 Nebraska 14. The Nebraska offense has not been showing up for the games lately. Hopefully, they'll stay home in Lincoln this Saturday. Nebraska is a 3 touchdown favorite so I'm going against the grain. Nebraksa has only lost 2 games in the last 3 years!"}, {"response": 31, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sun, Dec  8, 1996 (14:15)", "body": "It's good to see the Longhorns win the big game. I wonder if channel 3 is going to replay the game so I could record it. I feel sort of guilty for getting on Macs and Brown's case, but one has to give them credit they came through when it counted."}, {"response": 32, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sun, Dec  8, 1996 (14:19)", "body": "I really think Nebraska is going to be the Longhorns next big rival. Forget the Aggies, they might be more socially annoying but the Cornhuskers are more of a challenge. Either Maclovic is a genius or he needs to be admitted to Austin State Hospital. That play on 4th and inches took real gonads to call. When you look at the replay, if Brown would have run, he most likely would have been stopped short of the first down. So, luckily, the Nebraska DB (who was not needed to stop Brown) bit for Brown's ru and got beat by Lewis. For all the whining I have done regarding Maclovic and Brown, they came through big time when the marbles were on the table and won the biggest games when it counted i.e. winning the last SWC championship and the first Big 12 championship. I wonder if channel 3 is going to replay the game so I could record it? See you around, Mike Lydle"}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  8, 1996 (14:39)", "body": "He (Mackovic) *didn't* call it. James Brown improvised it. In the post game interview, Mackovic said, \"..when he cocked that arm, I thought uh oh not again . . . \" The Mackovic bettter pop open one of those $1,000 win bottles after the greatest win in UT history. What a game!"}, {"response": 34, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (20:43)", "body": "Yea, it was some game. Have not heard anything about the game being replayed. I could have swore that Mac had called a rollout option run or pass and Brown decided to throw it. Wonder if this might be Mac's last season."}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (07:49)", "body": "Don't you think he redeemed himself?"}, {"response": 36, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (23:36)", "body": "No doubt Mac redeemed himself. I mean in regards to going elsewhere, like the NFL. Lydle"}, {"response": 37, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:56)", "body": "Are the Horns goig to have a good team next year?"}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:05)", "body": "They may, they've lost some All Americans but they have James Brown and Ricky Williams back."}, {"response": 39, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (23:20)", "body": "Brown is a great QB. And Ricky Williams is \"Little Earl\"."}, {"response": 40, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep  6, 1997 (23:18)", "body": "1997 UT Longhorn football schedule Date Opponent Time Sept. 6 Rutgers (Fox TV) 6 p.m. Sept. 13 UCLA (ABC TV) 2:30p.m. Sept. 27 at Rice (ABC TV) 11 a.m. Oct. 4at Oklahoma State 2 p.m. Oct.11 Oklahoma (Dallas) 2:30 p.m. Oct. 18 at Missouri 1 p.m. Oct. 25 Colorado 2:30p.m. Nov. 1 at Baylor 1 p.m. Nov. 8 Texas Tech TBA Nov. 15 Kansas TBA Nov. 28 at Texas A&M 10 a.m."}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep  6, 1997 (23:35)", "body": "Well, UT bowled over Rutgers 48-14 not quite making their spread in our little vanity pool, so legaffe pulls way ahead of the pack with 15,000 virtual dollars. Next week, UCLA on ABC. Heard about the Ricky Williams thing. He got cuffed and hauled off to jail by an overzealous UT cop and the cop got suspended. The cop had his own website, which had a picture of Ronald Reagan on it (it is no longer to be found on the net). Phil Dawson moved in to the number one scoring postion at UT with a 54 yarder and he made a tackle at the 18 yard line off one of his kicks. He has 284 career points now. Ricky Williams ran for 155 yards and three touchdowns and Aaron Humphrey had three interceptions as No. 12 Texas overcame a turnover-filled first half. James Brown may have hurt his ankle so Richard Walton may start next weekend. 2:30 start next Saturday."}, {"response": 42, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (18:24)", "body": "Watch me this week."}, {"response": 43, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (19:55)", "body": "We be watching, UT kickoff tonight."}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  6, 1998 (17:35)", "body": "AUSTIN, Texas -- University of Texas halfback Ricky Williams will be wearing a new number Saturday. Williams has received clearance to switch jersey numbers from No. 34 to No. 37 in honor of former Southern Methodist University running back Doak Walker, who died last month. Williams, who befriended Walker last year after winning the award that bears Walker's name, will wear No. 37 when the Longhorns play Oklahoma at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas on Saturday. Walker played for SMU during the late 1940s, when the football team began playing at the Cotton Bowl, which later became known as \"the House That Doak Built.\" Walker died on Sept. 27 from complications of a skiing accident. \"I thought it would be neat to wear 37 in the House That Doak Built,\" Williams said of the temporary change. \"Whether I have a great game or not, I'm going to play with him in my heart, a special thing I can do.\""}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  2, 1998 (10:11)", "body": "Horns beat Nebraska!!!!"}, {"response": 46, "author": "osceola", "date": "Mon, Nov  2, 1998 (13:13)", "body": "It wasn't a fluke, either. The Horns played a solid game all the way through. Nothing flashy, just good solid football. Nebraska's two losses this year came from Texas teams. Had a good time watching the game at my favorite beer joint. Unfortunately, it's near campus, so when students jammed the streets I had a hell of a time riding a bus home."}, {"response": 47, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  2, 1998 (14:24)", "body": "Wathc the national rankings, the Horns should move into the top 25 or something's wrong."}, {"response": 48, "author": "osceola", "date": "Mon, Nov  2, 1998 (16:16)", "body": "They're #20. You can't beat Nebraska and not get in the Top 20. A couple of years ago, I was briefly employed as a tutor to the football players, and at least two are still on the team. One of the nicer guys I tutored sacked the Cornhusker QB. I'm not claiming to have anything to do with that, but I did get him up to a B in history."}, {"response": 49, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  2, 1998 (18:20)", "body": "Then you have a piece of this win! ."}, {"response": 50, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 24, 1998 (11:40)", "body": "In the http://www.austin360.com site there is a quote from Tony Dorsett: \"Tony Dorsett came to Memorial Stadium three years ago curious of mind and specific of purpose: to carefully watch the performance of someone who would live in his shadow, chase his legend, be forever linked to his name. Texas' Ricky Williams is threatening Dorsett's NCAA major- college career rushing record.\" I talked to Dorsett at the game, in fact I have a videotape of my conversation with him. He came for one specific purpose, to watch his son play for Pitt. He's coming Friday to see Ricky again in Austin. Right now Ricky needs 62 yards against Texas A&M on the Friday after Thanksgiving to break the record of 6,082 yards set by Dorsett with Pitt, 1973-76."}, {"response": 51, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  9, 1998 (11:50)", "body": "Believe the hype Ricky Williams of Texas is such a dead-solid lock for the Heisman Trophy, Saturday's ceremony is a formality. The only drama will be whether Williams wins by the largest margin in the esteemed award's 64-year history. And he still gets to play in the Cotton Bowl. On Monday, Williams won The Associated Press' first College Player of the Year Award. Can he be another two sport star like Deon and Bo Jackson, he's gotta learn to hit first. The Cotton Bowl, eyeing a home-state team and its likely Heisman Trophy-winning halfback, chose an 8-3 Texas team that's ranked No. 20 over an 11-1, fourth-ranked Kansas State squad that lost to Texas A&M in double-overtime Saturday in the Big 12 championship game. Texas will play Mississippi State, winner of the SEC's West Division. What a season for the Horns."}, {"response": 52, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 14, 1998 (10:38)", "body": "Ricky Williams racked up the Heisman. Another little bronze man. Here are the stats. Most Points 1968 O.J. Simpson, USC, 2853. 1976 Tony Dorsett, Pittsburgh, 2357. 1998 Ricky Williams, Texas, 2355 1993 Charlie Ward, Florida State, 2310. 1984 Doug Flutie, Boston College, 2240. First-Place Vote Leaders 1968 O.J. Simpson, USC, 855. 1993 Charlie Ward, Florida State, 740. 1998 Ricky Williams, Texas, 714. 1976 Tony Dorsett, Pittsburgh, 701. 1984 Doug Flutie, Boston College, 678. Widest Margins 1968 1750 O.J. Simpson USC over Leroy Keyes, Purdue 2853-1103. 1993 1622 Charlie Ward Florida State over Heath Shuler, Tennessee 2310-688. 1991 1574 Desmond Howard Michigan over Casey Weldon, Florida State 2077-503. 1998 1563 Ricky Williams Texas over Michael Bishop, Kansas State 2355-792. 1986 1541 Vinny Testaverde Miami over Paul Palmer, Temple 2213-672. What I don't get is why Missouri's quarterback got totally snubbed. That guy was awesome! He seemed better to me than the three runner up quarterbacks."}, {"response": 53, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 31, 1999 (13:29)", "body": "Once again, the UT football team has figured out how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in their season opener against NC State (a basketball school!). But NC State did beat last years national champions in the opening game so it's not all over. UT outplayed them in every way except special teams. The messed up on three punts. Guess what they're practicing this week?"}, {"response": 54, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Tue, Aug 31, 1999 (14:27)", "body": "Pick me, me, over her, yoohoo! I know: Football! ;=}"}, {"response": 55, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Aug 31, 1999 (15:07)", "body": "Terry, that used to be Penn State's line - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - and usually on ABC before God and everybody. Then everyone would take pot-shots at us for another week. You'll bounce back...it is early yet!"}, {"response": 56, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  2, 1999 (11:59)", "body": "Today they lost Quentin Jammer. He was a great defensive back. Agile and great aat picking off passes. A big, big loss. Couldn't be a better name for a guy in his position. They'll reshirt him and he'll have two years left. Could it be that next year is the year? Lilke you say, it's still early. About 40 hours till the Stanford game, wonder if there are tickets left?"}, {"response": 57, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep  2, 1999 (14:52)", "body": "Bet not! That should be a really good game - planning to tape and watch since I will be having V'ball tournament duty while it is on...(We play Akron this week - how lame is that?!)"}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  3, 1999 (09:21)", "body": "Sounds lame."}, {"response": 59, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  3, 1999 (09:28)", "body": "Mack Brown says the Horns are allowing too much penetration on punts (duh!) and the solution is to put big bodies on big bodies. Kickoff is at 11 tomorrow. Pregame at 9:30 am."}, {"response": 60, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep  4, 1999 (03:00)", "body": "...and I will be watching Volleyball, but my heart will long for Football...Good luck, Terry. I have never been an admirer of Stanford or their grading system...! (plan to ignore that embarrassment of my alma mater's - who makes up these schedules, anyway?!)"}, {"response": 61, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 1999 (13:07)", "body": "The 'Horns looked mighty good yesterday, and you will have a season you can brag about. It was fun watching (for the little time I had)live stuff from Austin t where the Spring gurgles and some really neat people live. Congratulations!"}, {"response": 62, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (09:48)", "body": "Yep. Yep. Thanks Marcia. The Horns dusted the floor with Stanford. Even the failed field goal turned in to a touchdown. The HOrns could do no wrong, they even blocked a punt. It was like a 40 point plus win. And Chris Simms got his first TD (son of former NFL QB Phil Simms who was in the crowd at Royal Memorial)."}, {"response": 63, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (15:57)", "body": "Looks just like his Daddy, too. I think he's gonna make you proud (CS)"}, {"response": 64, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (17:04)", "body": "Wow, you saw the game?"}, {"response": 65, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (17:11)", "body": "I did, indeed. Taped it as I had to be at T-shirts for the Volleyball tournament, but before I had to leave, I watched it live, and about all I saw was your QB running through the opposition like they were not there, or like Moses parting the Red Sea. If anything happens in Austin and I get the chance to watch it, I will because I want to see as much of it as I can from this far away...until I can actually have an eyeball session with it."}, {"response": 66, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (18:52)", "body": "Rutgers will be on ESPN2 Saturday night."}, {"response": 67, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (18:58)", "body": "Young Mr. Simms may will certainly have more ink than did his daddy in his quest to reach the NFL, since his daddy played for perennial football powerhouse *LOL* Morehead State (Minnesota). His daddy, who would still like to be playing, doesn't realize how lucky his \"premature\" exit to the broadcast booth was. I remember when the Giants were godawful and Simms was a young, highly touted, spectacularly paid (for the time) player taking gamely beatings because of a poor offensive line. Those things do ca ch up with you, sooner or later."}, {"response": 68, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (22:55)", "body": "Thanks for telling us about the Deuce carrying UT-Rutgers game. It will be afternoon here - so even better!"}, {"response": 69, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 10, 1999 (12:00)", "body": "Yeah, football in the afternoon seems better than night time, somehow. I see where Major Applewhite is creeping up on this years Heismann list. Maybe they'll promote him to General."}, {"response": 70, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 11, 1999 (17:13)", "body": "that thought had occurred to me, too...*lol* Football should be played in the afternoon so your can party all night to celebrate the win, or drown your sorrows after a loss. Surely tonight you party!"}, {"response": 71, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (20:49)", "body": "He should have been promoted to General after Applewhite's victory over Nebraska - the only team to have beaten them 3 times in the 90's. Congratulations. I posted the score in College Football."}, {"response": 72, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (19:24)", "body": "src=\" http://austin360.com/sports/hookem/gameday/99/nebraska/utneb2.jpg\" > There's a story behind this photo. Can you guess who the guy is in te orange sleeveless shirt between the two cheerleaders. You'll find the answer in austin news topic in either the austin or the news conference. And isn't that a great picture? And oh, yeah . . . Horns beat Nebraska!"}, {"response": 73, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (19:36)", "body": "I have the picture open in another window...I installed it on a photo program and enlarged it and I don't think it is you...I don't think it is William...and I don't think it is Ray Lopez. I know it isn't Mike... OK...going to Austin to see what is the scoop...! Congratulations, by the way..."}, {"response": 74, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 26, 1999 (10:13)", "body": "Who is it?"}, {"response": 75, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct 26, 1999 (13:19)", "body": "Could it be a naked, bongo playing movie star?"}, {"response": 76, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 26, 1999 (13:35)", "body": "Think so!!! But, I do not watch him in whatever he appears in so I really do not recognize him anyway. Guess I am out of that loop..."}, {"response": 77, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct 27, 1999 (00:52)", "body": "He doesn't do English art films."}, {"response": 78, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct 27, 1999 (01:09)", "body": "...I sorta thought that just might be the case...*smiling puckishly*"}, {"response": 79, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct 27, 1999 (01:12)", "body": "....so its gonna be a good weekend for Texas football teams according to Bally's Check college football John's post ..."}, {"response": 80, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct 27, 1999 (22:25)", "body": "I hope TCU has a bad day. Nothing personally against the Horned Frogs, mind you, just as I have nothing personal against the Nittany Lions. I think I just might fancy going to school in a place called Fort Worth or Happy Valley. Both have names that just make you feel good."}, {"response": 81, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (02:26)", "body": "You would LOVE Happy Valley. It is lovely any time of the year and is *sigh* how can I describe what lies so deeply in my being that it defies words to describe it...Shall I bring you some Penn Stater Magazines??? When AM I ever going to see you IRL again?!"}, {"response": 82, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (09:55)", "body": "Man, the UT pregame show starts at 8:30 am Saturday, Iowa State I believe. Last week was such a high, I hope they can sustain the energy. It's tough to follow up a huge win."}, {"response": 83, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (12:48)", "body": "Maybe if they get naked and play bongos in the locker room before the game?"}, {"response": 84, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (13:56)", "body": "There you go, John! (I though that was the usual pregame ritual in the locker room, but then I have never been in one...) That means it begins at 3:30 am for us. They just may have to party on without us for a while. Maybe we should start the night before and include the Penn State and Hawaii games on our tailgate. John???"}, {"response": 85, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (19:17)", "body": "Terry I found bios on all of the current recruits for UT Football but it is far too long to post here. Catch it at http://utlonghorns.rivals.com/default.asp?sId=201&StId=144438&p=2"}, {"response": 86, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (21:19)", "body": "What about the flap about Texas canceling the opener with Hawaii. I personally am very unhappy about them doing this, because it would given us much fodder for discussion here. Aside from that, those punk Horns, they should play those Hawaii boys."}, {"response": 87, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (21:19)", "body": "Just posted in topic 46"}, {"response": 88, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (21:20)", "body": "It would have been great for both teams and the Spring. I am very disappointed!"}, {"response": 89, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Aug  6, 2000 (21:51)", "body": "Well, UT is ranked as high as number 3 in some polls. I guess they like the two quaterback set up."}, {"response": 90, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Aug  6, 2000 (23:21)", "body": "and Penn State is 22nd?? Oh well... What else is new??"}, {"response": 91, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Thu, Apr  5, 2001 (14:12)", "body": "The UT schedule has been released for 2001. Sept. 1 New Mexico State TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Sept. 8 North Carolina TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Sept. 22 at Houston TBA Robertson Stadium Sept. 29 Texas Tech TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Parents Weekend Oct. 6 vs. Oklahoma TBA Cotton Bowl, Dallas SBC Red River Shootout Oct. 13 at Oklahoma State TBA Lewis Field Oct. 20 Colorado TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Homecoming/Distringuished Alumni Weekend Oct. 27 at Missouri TBA Memorial Stadium Nov. 3 at Baylor TBA Floyd Casey Stadium Nov. 10 Kansas TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Alumni Band Day; Hall of Honor Ceremony; Letterwinners Roundup Nov. 23 at Texas A&M TBA Kyle Field Dec. 1 Big 12 Championship TBA (ABC) Texas Stadium, Dallas"}, {"response": 92, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 29, 2001 (11:18)", "body": "YOu guys should not have backed out of the Hawaii opener. We, as John would say, stinketh like the goatherd."}, {"response": 93, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr 29, 2001 (19:20)", "body": "Yep, that was one punk ass move on the part of UT. They were being overly protective of their top 20 potential and didn't want to risk an upset, not a good excuse. And they missed a trip to Hawaii!"}, {"response": 94, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, May 29, 2001 (09:34)", "body": "Date Opponent Time / TV Location Event Sept. 1 New Mexico State TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Sept. 8 North Carolina TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Sept. 22 at Houston TBA Robertson Stadium Sept. 29 Texas Tech TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Parents Weekend Oct. 6 vs. Oklahoma TBA Cotton Bowl, Dallas SBC Red River Shootout Oct. 13 at Oklahoma State TBA Lewis Field Oct. 20 Colorado TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Homecoming/Distringuished Alumni Weekend Oct. 27 at Missouri TBA Memorial Stadium Nov. 3 at Baylor TBA Floyd Casey Stadium Nov. 10 Kansas TBA Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium Alumni Band Day; Hall of Honor Ceremony; Letterwinners Roundup Nov. 23 at Texas A&M TBA Kyle Field Dec. 1 Big 12 Championship TBA (ABC) Texas Stadium, Dallas"}, {"response": 95, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 17, 2001 (10:07)", "body": "The Horns are working out at Denius Fields in Austin, they are looking pretty good and seem to be really focusing on their running game with Kenny Hayter, Cedric Benson and another guy whose name escapes me right now. I see where they're including Roy Williams in the Heismann list along with Simms. Mel Kiper, Jr., the noted ESPN draft analyst, included UT quarterback Chris Simms and wide receiver Roy Williams in his list of the top 15 Heisman Trophy candidates. Simms was fourth on the list, behind Nebraska quarterback Eric Crouch, Kiper's frontrunner, Clemson quarterback Woody Dantzler, and Oregon State running back Ken Simonton. Kiper said this of Simms: \"Texas has the best wide-receiver corps in the history of college football (led by Roy Williams). When you have that kind of skill position talent around you, you're going to be able to throw the football effectively. . . . And this year, Simms should feel more free since the quarterback controversy of last season is past and he's the clear No. 1. With the receivers he has at his disposal, his numbers should be incredible.\" Kiper saved some of his highest praise for Williams, who he ranked 11th. Kiper said: \"Williams is the best player in college football. He's an awesome talent with his size and pass-receiving skills and is the best NFL prospect in college right now.\""}, {"response": 96, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 23, 2001 (15:10)", "body": "2 lines \"Remember the little boy you visited in the hospital, Major?\" While Chris Simms was entertaining a media circus, Major Applewhite spent the post intersquad game time with the little boy he had visited in the hospital. The squad looked good except for the kicking game. Simms and Applewhite were both sharp and the running backs looked great. It was a deja vu the last years high school championship to see Cedric Benson plough his way through the defensive line and break loose. They even rain Cedric out to wide receiver on one play. Texas may have a third Heismann Trophy candidate in Cornerback Quentin Jammer, undoubtedly the best at this position in the country. He'll go high in the NFL Draft next year. It was fun to go to this game, as it was as close a simulation as they could do to the season opening game, they even started at the same time the opener will start, 6 pm. It will probably be another humid Texas Day and Royal Memorial will be filled to capacity. I'm glad I got to relax in a front row seat on the 50 yard line earlier tonight and watch some of the best players in college football. img src=\" http://www.spring.net/applewhite/DSC00333.JPG\" > \"I think I know how to keep this job . . . \""}, {"response": 97, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  2, 2001 (10:26)", "body": "If you read today's front page lead story in the Statesman you would be thinking that Texas first game was a blowout. Not the case. The offensive line, 50-60 pounds heavier than New Mexico States, let Baby Simms get sacked repeatedly. NM got about 3 very bad calls on game turning plays. There was no \"dominance\" here, as the AAS Writer reported. But there was a bright spot. Another dreadlocked runner has arrived, Cedric Benson. He carried the ball seven times in a row and scored a TD, and he dragged a few New Mexico players along with him. He's the real deal. I realized that as I watched and videotaped last years high school championship game, this was the third state championship in a row where he scored 5 touchdowns."}, {"response": 98, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 12, 2001 (22:40)", "body": "Wow great pictures of Major Applewhite. Wonder how long before they let him play again....! I'd love to see him start again!"}, {"response": 99, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 13, 2001 (08:30)", "body": "I've been devastated by UT's losss to Oklahoma, I still haven't recovered."}, {"response": 100, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 31, 2001 (10:00)", "body": "I just had to get response 100. 10/29/01 OU-Texas A&M Football Game Moved To 11 a.m. Networks have chosen two Big 12 football telecasts for Saturday, Nov. 10, including OU's home contest versus Texas A&M. The Sooners will face the Aggies at 11 a.m. CST in a game nationally televised by ABC Sports. Kansas State will play at Nebraska at 2:30 p.m. CST, also on ABC. Fox Sports Net will air the Iowa State-Colorado game at 6 p.m. CST that day. The 11:30 a.m. CST Big 12 Regional Game of the Week will not be broadcast because of the ABC 11 a.m. contest. (more)"}, {"response": 101, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 31, 2001 (10:01)", "body": "Oct. 26, 2001 Yet Another Showdown Oklahoma visits Nebraska for another titanic battle in this legendary series, and meets a top 10-ranked team for the third time in eight games this season. Texas was No. 5 (both polls) and Kansas State was No. 9 (ESPN/USA Today) when the Sooners met those teams earlier in this campaign. The 11 a.m. CDT game will be televised nationally by ABC with Brent Musburger, Gary Danielson and Jack Arute describing the action. Due to the Big 12 Conference's scheduling rotation, Oklahoma and Nebraska will take a two-year break after this season. Next season, Nebraska, Kansas State and Kansas go off the Sooner schedule as the North Division's representatives to be replaced by Colorado, Iowa State and Missouri."}, {"response": 102, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 26, 2001 (15:08)", "body": "Here is a chart of the viable national-title contenders, last week's rankings and this week's projections, and what they need to make the Rose Bowl: Old New Old New Team Rec. AP AP BCS BCS Miami 10-0 1 1 2 1 Florida 9-1 3 2 4 2 Texas 10-1 5 3 6 3 Neb 11-1 2 5 1 4 Oregon 9-1 6 4 5 5 Tenn 9-1 7 6 7 6"}, {"response": 103, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Nov 29, 2001 (23:13)", "body": "Texas has been the one consistent team - 5 on the list until lately when you went to 3 on the BCS. Congratulations! *Sigh* Wait'll next year..."}, {"response": 104, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 30, 2001 (07:56)", "body": "Saturday will be a huge day in college football, if y'all were in Austin I'd invite you over for a few beers Saturday."}, {"response": 105, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (10:53)", "body": "Texas has won 3 games against far lesser opponents, not making the spread twice. And now, Roy Williams has a hamstring injury. He's, aurguably, the best receiver in the nation. Texas season may ride on the severity of this injury. for more on hamstrings: http://www.thestretchinghandbook.com/archives/hamstring-injury-treatment.htm A snippet: If you do happen to suffer from a hamstring injury, it's important that correct first aid principles are applied immediately. The RICER regime explains the correct treatment for all muscle strain injuries. RICER stand for Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation, and then obtaining a Referral from a qualified sports doctor or physiotherapist. So, as soon as a hamstring injury occurs, rest the injured limb, apply ice to the effected area, apply a compression bandage and elevate the limb if possible. This treatment needs to continue for at least 48 to 72 hours. This is the most critical time for the injured area, correct treatment now can mean the difference between an annoying injury or a permanent, re-occurring, debilitating injury. After the first 72 hours obtain a referral from a qualified professional and start a comprehensive rehabilitation program. This should include a great deal of strength and stretching exercises, as well as other rehabilitation activities such as massage and ultra-sound."}, {"response": 106, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (10:54)", "body": ""}, {"response": 107, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (10:55)", "body": "The picture above shows the muscles located at the rear of the upper right leg. The three specific hamstring muscles can be seen on the picture, by looking for the anatomical names located half way down the right hand side."}, {"response": 108, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (12:03)", "body": "espn.com: Oklahoma dipped into its play-bag of tricks against Missouri -- out of necessity -- and the trickery paid dividends. Oklahoma scored a touchdown on a fake field goal with 6:33 left to escape Columbia with a 31-24 victory Oct. 5. Holder Matt McCoy took the snap, waited a moment, then threw a perfect lob to freshman tight end Chris Chester, who went up and caught the ball between two defenders for his first career reception. Nate Hybl's 2-point conversion pass to Curtis Fagan made it 31-24. Coach Bob Stoops said he liked his chances of the fake working better than the chances of Trey DiCarlo making a 31-yard field goal. DiCarlo had already missed an extra point and field goals of 34 and 43 yards. \"I felt the percentages were pretty good it was going to be OK,\" said Stoops, whose team plays second-ranked Texas next week in Dallas. The Longhorns said they weren't looking past Oklahoma State to their matchup with rival Oklahoma. Right. Second-ranked Texas will have a hard time getting anyone to believe them after the Oct. 5 17-15 victory over the Cowboys that took cornerback Rod Babers' defensive stop on a 2-point conversion and a drive-killing interception in the fourth quarter to seal the win. \"It was a good, hard fight,\" said quarterback Chris Simms, who passed for 267 yards and a touchdown and ran for another in the Big 12 opener for both teams. \"I think it's really good we got a good hard test like this.\" Coach Mack Brown agreed. \"It's good to be in tight games because our kids are tested. You need to be in some fights. It's dangerous for us every week. I hope our fans learned something today,\" Brown said after the game. Next week's Texas OU game should be awesome, it's the game of the season for us Longhorn fans. It may decide who faces Miami in the national title later this year. Come early, stay late, we'll be partying on Spring before, during and after the game next Saturday. Check out our insider coverage and live audio feed. October 12 2:30 PM CST 3:30 PM EST No. 2 Texas vs No. 3 Oklahoma"}, {"response": 109, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (12:17)", "body": "The insanely complete stats are at http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/pages/stats/2002/UT5.HTM A summary Box Score (Final) Oklahoma State vs #2 Texas (Oct 05, 2002 at Austin, Texas) Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score ----------------- -- -- -- -- ----- Oklahoma State...... 3 0 6 6 - 15 Record: (2-3,0-1) Texas............... 0 10 7 0 - 17 Record: (5-0,1-0) Scoring Summary: 1st 09:56 OS - Luke Phillips 39 yd field goal, 7-38 2:03, OS 3 - UT 0 2nd 05:52 UT - Mangum, Dusty 27 yd field goal, 10-67 2:00, OS 3 - UT 3 00:17 UT - Johnson, B.J. 9 yd pass from Simms, Chris (Mangum, Dusty kick), 4-59 0:36, OS 3 - UT 10 3rd 02:26 UT - Simms, Chris 1 yd run (Mangum, Dusty kick), 9-80 4:57, OS 3 - UT 17 01:08 OS - Tatum Bell 45 yd run (Luke Phillips kick blockd), 3-76 1:18, OS 9 - UT 17 4th 04:04 OS - John Lewis 33 yd pass from Josh Fields (Josh Fields pass failed), 9-99 3:52, OS 15 - UT 17 OS UT FIRST DOWNS................... 15 25 RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............ 29-139 43-145 PASSING YDS (NET)............. 134 267 Passes Att-Comp-Int........... 31-14-3 46-24-1 TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS..... 60-273 89-412 Fumble Returns-Yards.......... 0-0 0-0 Punt Returns-Yards............ 4-66 2-5 Kickoff Returns-Yards......... 1-23 1-18 Interception Returns-Yards.... 1-10 3-31 Punts (Number-Avg)............ 8-43.1 7-44.9 Fumbles-Lost.................. 0-0 1-0 Penalties-Yards............... 11-80 7-75 Possession Time............... 23:52 36:08 Third-Down Conversions........ 1 of 11 6 of 18 Fourth-Down Conversions....... 0 of 0 1 of 1 Red-Zone Scores-Chances....... 1-2 3-4 Sacks By: Number-Yards........ 2-9 2-17 RUSHING: Oklahoma State-Seymore Shaw 21-99; Tatum Bell 5-59; Team 1-minus 2; Josh Fields 2-minus 17. Texas-Benson, Cedric 27-117; Simms, Chris 8-17; Young, Selvin 5-12; Trahan, Beau 1-4; TEAM 2-minus 5. PASSING: Oklahoma State-Josh Fields 14-29-2-134; Jones,Greg 0-1-1-0; Terrance DavisBryant 0-1-0-0. Texas-Simms, Chris 24-46-1-267. RECEIVING: Oklahoma State-Rashaun Woods 6-63; John Lewis 2-41; Terrance DavisBryant 2-10; D'Juan Woods 1-9; Billy Bajema 1-7; Mike Denard 1-2; Tim Burrough 1-2. Texas-Thomas, Sloan 7-130; Johnson, B.J. 7-78; Williams, Roy 5-27; Benson, Cedric 3-6; Thomas, David 2-26. INTERCEPTIONS: Oklahoma State-Lawrence Pinson 1-10. Texas-Vasher, Nathan 1-3; Johnson, Derrick 1-18; Babers, Rod 1-10. FUMBLES: Oklahoma State-None. Texas-Williams, Roy 1-0. Stadium: Royal-Texas Memorial Attendance: 83116 Kickoff time: 11:39 am End of Game: 3:02 pm Total elapsed time: 3:23 Officials: Referee: John Laurie; Umpire: R. Whittenburg; Linesman: Tim Crowley; Line judge: Mike Liner; Back judge: John Robison; Field judge: Arthur Luckey; Side judge: Jim Hatfield; Temperature: 78 Wind: N 11-15 Weather: clear skies; 35% hum Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg ------------------------------------------------- Benson, Cedric 27 119 2 117 0 26 4.3 Simms, Chris 8 26 9 17 1 14 2.1 Young, Selvin 5 14 2 12 0 8 2.4 Trahan, Beau 1 4 0 4 0 4 4.0 TEAM 2 0 5 -5 0 0 -2.5 Totals... 43 163 18 145 1 26 3.4 Passing Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD Long Sck ------------------------------------------------ Simms, Chris 46-24-1 267 1 55 2 Totals... 46-24-1 267 1 55 2 Receiving No. Yds TD Long ---------------------------------------- Thomas, Sloan 7 130 0 55 Johnson, B.J. 7 78 1 20 Williams, Roy 5 27 0 18 Benson, Cedric 3 6 0 4 Thomas, David 2 26 0 21 Totals... 24 267 1 55 Punting No. Yds Avg Long In20 ---------------------------------------------- Bradford, Brian 7 314 44.9 71 1 Totals... 7 314 44.9 71 1 Punts Kickoffs Intercept All Returns No.Yds.Lg No.Yds.Lg No.Yds.Lg -------------------------------------------------- Vasher, Nathan 1 3 3 0 0 0 1 3 3 McCollough, Edorian 0 0 0 1 18 18 0 0 0 Johnson, Derrick 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 18 18 Babers, Rod 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 10 10 Young, Selvin 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 Totals... 2 5 3 1 18 18 3 31 18 Field goal attempts ---------------------------------------- Mangum, Dusty 1st 03:57 37 yds - Missed Mangum, Dusty 2nd 05:52 27 yds - Good Mangum, Dusty 2nd 01:57 24 yds - Missed Mangum, Dusty 4th 10:01 46 yds - Missed FUMBLES: Oklahoma State-None. Texas-Williams, Roy 1-0. FUMBLES: Oklahoma State-None. Texas-Williams, Roy 1-0."}, {"response": 110, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (12:25)", "body": "Those stats on the link above are insanely detailed !"}, {"response": 111, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 19, 2002 (10:23)", "body": "Today's game would be an excellent opportunity for the Horns to redeem themselves after last weeks loss to Oklahoma (after leading for the first three quarters). To put your virtual dollars on the game (we'll give you $7500 to start) see the football pool topic in this conference. Gametime is 6 pm tonight and the Horns are playing on the road against a top twenty team. Tough schedule. Tough challenge."}, {"response": 112, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (09:29)", "body": "OK George, here is a small portion of the insanely complete stats from http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com And you thought you bled burnt orange? Do you want to know how many times Cedric Bensen blew his nose? Texas vs Kansas State (Oct 19, 2002) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Box Score Game Summary Team Statistics Individual Statistics Drive Chart Defensive Statistics -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Box Score -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Box Score (Final) #8 Texas vs #17 Kansas State (Oct 19, 2002 at Manhattan, Kan.) Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score ----------------- -- -- -- -- ----- Texas............... 0 7 7 3 - 17 Record: (6-1,2-1) Kansas State........ 0 6 0 8 - 14 Record: (5-2,1-2) Scoring Summary: 2nd 14:14 UT - Johnson, B.J. 39 yd pass from Simms, Chris (Mangum, Dusty kick), 1-39 0:07, UT 7 - KS 0 11:55 KS - Hoheisel, Nick 2 yd run (Brite, Jared kick blockd), 6-80 2:19, UT 7 - KS 6 3rd 05:35 UT - Thomas, David 2 yd pass from Simms, Chris (Mangum, Dusty kick), 7-69 3:36, UT 14 - KS 6 4th 10:40 KS - Hill, Thomas 15 yd pass from Roberson, Ell (Sproles, Darren rush), 9-54 4:12, UT 14 - KS 14 01:32 UT - Mangum, Dusty 27 yd field goal, 8-54 2:54, UT 17 - KS 14 UT KS FIRST DOWNS................... 10 15 RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............ 32-46 50-159 PASSING YDS (NET)............. 184 102 Passes Att-Comp-Int........... 24-13-1 18-7-0 TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS..... 56-230 68-261 Fumble Returns-Yards.......... 0-0 0-0 Punt Returns-Yards............ 5-16 2-9 Kickoff Returns-Yards......... 1-0 2-55 Interception Returns-Yards.... 0-0 1-0 Punts (Number-Avg)............ 9-39.8 9-42.9 Fumbles-Lost.................. 0-0 5-1 Penalties-Yards............... 4-25 7-55 Possession Time............... 27:15 32:45 Third-Down Conversions........ 5 of 15 6 of 16 Fourth-Down Conversions....... 0 of 0 1 of 1 Red-Zone Scores-Chances....... 2-2 2-3 Sacks By: Number-Yards........ 4-22 3-15 RUSHING: Texas-Benson, Cedric 23-59; Young, Selvin 4-4; TEAM 1-minus 2; Simms, Chris 4-minus 15. Kansas State-Sproles, Darren 20-136; Roberson, Ell 26-23; Hoheisel, Nick 1-2; Saba, Ayo 1-2; Wilson, Travis 1-0; TEAM 1-minus 4. PASSING: Texas-Simms, Chris 13-24-1-184. Kansas State-Roberson, Ell 7-18-0-102. RECEIVING: Texas-Johnson, B.J. 4-132; Williams, Roy 3-16; Shanahan, Kyle 1-13; Thomas, Sloan 1-7; Edwards, Brock 1-6; Timmons, Robert 1-5; Robin, Brett 1-3; Thomas, David 1-2. Kansas State-Terry, James 4-80; Hill, Thomas 3-22. INTERCEPTIONS: Texas-None. Kansas State-Newman, Terence 1-0. FUMBLES: Texas-None. Kansas State-Roberson, Ell 5-1. Stadium: KSU Stadium Attendance: 50659 Kickoff time: 6:00 pm End of Game: 9:10 Total elapsed time: 2:58 Officials: Referee: Hal Dowden; Umpire: Steve Storie; Linesman: Al Green; Line judge: Kelly Deterding; Back judge: WillieWeisbrook; Field judge: Terry Porter; Side judge: Scott Koch; Temperature: 55 Wind: NNW 14 Weather: Clear"}, {"response": 113, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (09:30)", "body": "For all the insanely complete stats, see: http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/pages/stats/2002/UT7.HTM"}, {"response": 114, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 14, 2002 (07:31)", "body": "Gametime is 2:30 pm CST Saturday. Texas at Texas Tech. The game will be on ESPN. Other games to watch are Iowa State at Colorado, 6 pm on Fox SW."}, {"response": 115, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Feb 24, 2003 (12:07)", "body": "Spring practice starts at 4 pm today. Vince Yound is going to start his run for the QB position now held by Chance Mock."}, {"response": 116, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 23, 2003 (08:46)", "body": "What had been up until now Mack Brown's moral, family oriented paradise is now cracked. To quote austin360.com's Kirk Bohl's: Benson turned himself in to an Austin court Tuesday morning on a Class A misdemeanor charge of criminal trespassing. He is accused of breaking into a South Austin apartment to retrieve what he said was a stolen television. Benson's first brush with the law, involving a marijuana possession allegation in his hometown of Midland, ended with dropped charges. Benson might well end up cleared of the current allegations, too. Nevertheless, Brown must take action this time, suspending Benson for at least a game for conduct detrimental to the team. If for no other reason than becoming another distraction to a 5-2 team that so desperately needs a clear sense of focus and purpose to accomplish what few goals remain available to them, Benson deserves harsher treatment than he received after the Midland incident. Brown announced Tuesday that Benson will not start this week against Baylor but didn't say if he will play. \"We will decide more about his participation on a day-to-day basis as we follow the case,\" Brown said. \"He's weathered storms before. I think you'll see him stand up and weather this one as well.\" Benson's reputation and the entire image of an operation Brown has so valiantly tried to cast as a model program are at stake. A crack in that picture would do immeasurable harm to a program that has already been rocked by a second blowout loss to archrival Oklahoma and a mediocre record in Brown's biggest games. End Quote Texas will probably beat Baylor without Cedric, who was once upon a time a Heisman hopeful, in fact they would probably beat Baylor with Cedric the Entertainer at running back. But Mack Brown's dreams may be shattered. This is his first suspension of a player at UT if he in fact holds Cedric back from Saturday's game. Cedric shouldn't have busted down the door of that woman's South Austin apartment to get back his plasma tv. Even if the Austin cops are useless in a stolen property case. He had too much on the line. What was he thinking?"}, {"response": 117, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct 23, 2003 (19:29)", "body": "This is so sad. It has been difficult for many fans this year with Florida State and 'Bama having problems. Tennessee has presidential problems. Penn State just can't win... it is difficult..."}, {"response": 118, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 25, 2003 (13:27)", "body": "And to top it off, no televised UT game today. Radio only."}, {"response": 119, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 17, 2003 (07:18)", "body": "Mack Brown is the kind of coarch that doesn't make bold moves. He's the kind of coach that \"should have\" done this or that but waited too long. He's not like Mackovic who called the famous pass play in a running situation in the Sugar Bowl to win that bowl game. So in a game where Vincent Young had just had six pretty good drives and had come of age what would be the last thing you would expect on the final drive. The last person you'd expect to see on the sidelines would be Vincent Young. Enter Chance Mock. Lubbock born. Son of a Texas Tech linebacker. He entered the game with two minutes on the clock and Texas down to Texas Tech by 5 points, trailing 40-35. The same guy that Noah and I had been debating about with me saying Young should run the whole show. The same guy who hadn't really played much for the last 4-5 games. So what happens? Mock completes a pass to Roy Williams. A 54 yarder. Roy's brother used to play for Texas Tech and Roy grew up in East Texas, in Texas Tech country. His brother was at the game wearing a Texas Tech jacket, bright red in a sea of burnt orange. Oh yeah, and under the Texas Tech jacket he had a burnt orange jersey with Roy's number on it. With seconds left in the game, he throws a 19 yarder to BJ Johnson (who may not have any East Texas roots as far as I know). Then Mock himself punches it in to the end zone himself with seconds left in the game. Storybook? Hollywood? You bet! It was the most exciting football game I've seen this season, maybe, arguably, the game of the year."}, {"response": 120, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 2004 (09:09)", "body": "This time maybe UT - the Texas Longhorn football team - got it right. Mack Brown, or whoever hired some NFL guy named Tomey and another NFL guy to coach defense and offense. Finally, coaching on the field! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! But wait till these NFL coaches, who are used to watching the likes of Peyton Manning, get a hold of the scouting videos of, gasp, Baylor and Rice back to back. That will scare the daylights out of them. Scary stuff! Baylor and Rice back to back."}, {"response": 121, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Feb  2, 2005 (07:58)", "body": "By CHIP BROWN / The Dallas Morning News PASADENA, Calif. \ufffd Wearing his white No. 3 jersey and jeans with a Texas Rose Bowl champions baseball cap slightly cock-eyed, running back Selvin Young took in the celebration with his camcorder. He stood next to the podium where his best friend, quarterback Vince Young, answered questions from reporters in the wake of becoming a national star in UT's 38-37 Rose Bowl triumph over Michigan. \"Vince is blowing up,\" Selvin Young said into his video camera. \"It'll be me and him in the backfield next season.\" ERICH SCHLEGEL/DMN There's good news for Texas coach Mack Brown: Budding star quarterback Vince Young will be by his side again next season. The Texas offense loses five key seniors from this year's team, including receiver Tony Jeffery, fullback Will Matthews, tight end Bo Scaife and center Jason Glynn. The biggest loss, however, will be Doak Walker Award-winner Cedric Benson, who ran for 1,834 yards and 19 touchdowns this season, giving the Texas offense its identity. \"Whatever Cedric finishes with this season will be my goal for next year and hopefully more,\" said Selvin Young, who will be a junior next season after redshirting with a broken ankle suffered in the second game against Arkansas. \"I feel like I'm going to step in where Cedric left off, and I can contribute that same amount and hopefully more. It's time for a new life, hopefully something better.\" Young, a threat on punt and kick returns with career averages of 17.5 yards and 23.8 yards, respectively, also hopes to lead the nation in special teams next season. Coaches say they see a hunger in Selvin Young that gives them confidence UT's rushing attack, ranked second nationally this season, can continue rolling. Young, who missed two games last season with a groin injury, has a career average of 5 yards per carry (132 attempts for 661 yards) in 26 games over three seasons. \"Sometimes you don't realize what you had until it's gone,\" Texas offensive coordinator Greg Davis said. \"There's an excitement in Selvin we haven't seen. He's excited about spring practice, and I'm not sure he would have been excited if he hadn't sat out this year.\" Texas will also have several freshmen to choose from, including top national recruits Jamaal Charles of Port Arthur Memorial and Henry Melton of Grapevine, both of whom have orally committed to the Longhorns. At receiver, freshman Jordan Shipley, who redshirted this season with a torn knee ligament, Limas Sweed, Nate Jones, Myron Hardy and George Walker will be expected to take over for Jeffery, the team's leading receiver this season. Freshman Ramonce Taylor, who averaged 10.1 yards per carry and 21.3 yards per reception this season, is expected to be used at running back and receiver \ufffd similar to USC's Reggie Bush. If Texas wins the recruiting war for tight end Martellus Bennett of Alief Taylor, it would help ease the loss of Scaife and complement David Thomas. On defense, Texas loses safety Phillip Geiggar and All-American linebacker Derrick Johnson, the heart and soul of the defense the last four years. That role will move to middle linebacker Aaron Harris of North Mesquite, who led UT with 8 \ufffd tackles in the Rose Bowl and finished second to Johnson's 129 \ufffd tackles with 117 \ufffd this season. Junior-to-be Garnet Smith of Arlington Lamar, sophomore-to-be Scott Derry and sophomore-to-be Robert Killebrew will battle it out to join Harris and strongside linebacker Eric Hall on the field. \"I'm ready to take over,\" Harris said. \"We're gonna miss Derrick. But we've learned from him.\" Two juniors \ufffd defensive tackle Rod Wright and safety Michael Huff of Irving Nimitz \ufffd have said they are contemplating a jump to the NFL and will make a decision in the next few weeks. Kicker Dusty Mangum of Mesquite also moves on and will be replaced by junior David Pino. Texas coach Mack Brown was asked if next year's team has a chance to be even better than this year's team. \"We lose some guys who have been pretty special to the University of Texas,\" Brown said. \"But if our other guys can pull tight and become a team like this one was, we have a chance. Sometimes you don't have to have the best players, just the best team.\" E-mail chipbrown@dallasnews.com"}, {"response": 122, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  7, 2005 (10:19)", "body": "LONGHORNS Friday, October 7, 2005 \ufffdQ&A with Suzanne Halliburton Q. Will you explain the zone read offense? A. Texas implemented this offense in the middle of the 2003 season, a week after they lost to Oklahoma. The quarterback lines up in the shotgun with only one running back beside him. Before handing off, the quarterback looks to the defensive end or outside linebacker. If the outside guys are focusing more on him, the quarterback hands the ball off. If the defender commits to the inside, the quarterback keeps the ball and runs around the outside. Texas since has added more wrinkles to the play to make the defenses guess that it's going a certain way. The best way to beat the zone read is to blitz players from angles the quarterback isn't anticipating. OU did that a year ago in shutting out the Longhorns. My money's on the Horns against OU this weekend."}, {"response": 123, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Dec  3, 2005 (12:29)", "body": "Today is huge. Texas faces Colorado in the Big 12 Championship. Texas is number 2 in the nation. Then, following that game, USC number 1 takes on UCLA number 11. And the Heisman trophy winner is between Vince Young (Texas) and Leinert and Bush of USC. It all starts at noon, CST on ABC tv."}, {"response": 124, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Feb 27, 2006 (07:32)", "body": "The National Champion Texas Longhorn football team starts practice today. si.com: Texas fans expect a battle between freshmen Colt McCoy and Jevan Snead, and they'll get one. It will just start in secrecy and could take a while to develop into a full-blown duel. Brown has already named McCoy, who redshirted last season, as No. 1 heading into Monday's drills. He wants to give Snead, who was still in high school in December, time to mature. Snead will get his chance to compete for the job in time for the 2006 season opener, but Brown wants to take him slow. \"It would be unfair to throw Jevan out there immediately because he's only been in school a month. We do want him to be able to relax,\" Brown said. \"Jevan's never taken a snap here. Colt's been here six months.\""}, {"response": 125, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (20:22)", "body": "Texas is having the big Spring game tomorrow. We'll find out what the QB situation is and get the first look at the National Champions on the field since the Rose Bowl. Tomorrow at 6 pm at Darrell Royal Memorial Stadium in Austin."}, {"response": 126, "author": "paul", "date": "Tue, Mar 20, 2007 (15:09)", "body": "Well the Horns are out in the second round of the NCAA basketball tournament. They made to the top 32 but couldn't get to the sweet 16. There's a slight chance Kevin Durant will be back next year, but more likely the national player of the year will be NBA bound."}, {"response": 127, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Apr 13, 2007 (23:22)", "body": "He is. Durant is NBA bound. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 30, "subject": "Ramble", "response_count": 509, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (17:59)", "body": "I've been holed up here all day but I don't have cabin fever. I love it at my place. It's night time. Outside it's drizzling. I've been building new boxes to put on the net, reading, studying and writing today. The evening news is on the tube. I feel like making a pot of coffee. I keep getting a box on my screen that says my outbox in Microsoft Mail is damaged. My outbox is empty! I got some interesting email from Elizabeth Gipps, an old friend today. And that's part of my world tonight."}, {"response": 2, "author": "Saman", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (18:02)", "body": "I can't believe I'm actually doing this - I usually steer clear of such threads :). But then this has not been a typical day! I baked muffins for the first time in my life (my mother is slightly obsessive about anyone cooking in her kitchen, but she's w orking at the moment) and they were a success. Hey I'm doing better than the Bennet girls - they couldn't cook. I also just got rudely interrupted from my spring-browsing by a door-to-door salesman wanting to give me a voucher for 20 free meals - only I'd have to pay $30 for it! I blame Neil Finn for it all. Huh? I hear you say. Mr Finn was lead vocalist for Crowded House - my all-time favourite band who announced they were breaking up in June. Their final charity concert on the steps of the Sydney Opera House was televised he re on Sunday, and I'm am currently slowly working my way through a grieving process involving contimuous playing of all my Crowded House CDs - maybe that's why the salesman looked happy to depart. Top that people!"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (18:08)", "body": "Tough to top. The only rule in this topic is that are no rules and that you can talk about anything and everything . Total free form."}, {"response": 4, "author": "Amy", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (18:58)", "body": "During my one excursion outside, I acquired a stud finder and 16 yards of unbleached muslin. Prize for the most creative use of these wares."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (19:20)", "body": "Hope you find that stud. I'm kicked back watching the music awards on Fox. And I'm scanning in some ancient family photos of my Norwegian relatives in Minnesota. I'm building sort of a family album web page for my folks and family at Christmas. It's my life story too. Dishwalla's playing on the tube."}, {"response": 6, "author": "elder", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (20:47)", "body": "Moody Blues boxed set CD is playing (the poetry is a bit surreal), and I just finished making up an algebra exam to give to my students tomorrow. I have not had time to browse here since Saturday evening, and I must say that I have missed all of you. I skipped (church) choir rehearsal to relax this evening, so I suppose I feel a bit guilty. Saman, congrats on the muffins. It has been an absolute age since I used my kitchen stoves to do anything other than heat soup or cook frozen dinners! As soon as the semester is over, I will go to San Diego for a week over Christmas -- mom and one brother's family out there. I plan to take the S&S video to share w/ mom."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (21:23)", "body": "Moody Blues. Santana was just on the music awards getting the Century Billboard award. Only George Harrison and three others have ever won this award. Still scanning pictures and working on some website proposals. I've got 4 computers hooked up to a switchbox here and I'm flipping from one to another. Bastrop Internet Services is working on building up the new server, I popped another 20mb of memory in it last night and Scott's putting NT 4.0 on it. I don't know if it's back on line yet. Their website is http://www.bastrop.net Tomorrow, Matt is going to build up a new primary server to replace http://access.spring.com which bit the dust. I got a 2mb hard drive to replace the 1 gigger that went down. The rains have past. It's quiet out in Cedar Creek, like it always is. I wonder what Amy's doing tonight."}, {"response": 8, "author": "Amy", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (03:41)", "body": "Amy slept for a change -- but awoke at 4 am"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (06:13)", "body": "Good morning Amy, it's 6 am here and you've already been up for two hours, are you ever bright eyed and bushy tailed today! I'm going in to Austin today to take care of lots of business and things that are piling up. I've got to get that contract going with Texaltel (see projects) and get that machine to Matt (to replace the server that crashed) and a bunch of friends are meeting at pub on 6th street tonight. We had some interesting comments in one of the NetMeeting topics yesterday (not the one that's linked to here) and you may want to check them out in the 'apps' conference. Did you know that if you hit the 'enter' key twice that you will get a menu here if you're in a shell? But only about half the menus work so far. I'm writing shell scripts to do a whole bunch of things. Is anyone here good at writing shell scripts?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (11:33)", "body": "Even though I won't be online for the next 8 hours. I left my microphone aimed at my radio. So you may be able to hear me talking to other folks if you connect to me on NetMeeting."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (11:34)", "body": "Here are some of the pictures I scanned: http://www.spring.com/~terry/albumjpg/ And me as a baby: http://www.spring.com/~terry/albumjpg/terry2.JPG"}, {"response": 12, "author": "Donna", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (19:49)", "body": "I have to start making Christmas cookies and wrapping presents. I would like to get most of this done while my \"the little angels\" are in school. I will be very busy during the morning hours. Every year I say I will not go crazy but every YEAR we do. Oh w ell, \"tis the seasons to be joLly, fa,la,la,la,la,la,la\" * *** ***** ******* ********* *********** *** ***"}, {"response": 13, "author": "Donna", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (19:58)", "body": "1 \"Merry Christmas\" 232 \"Happy New Year\" 34443 4555544 566666665 67777777776 7888888888887 101"}, {"response": 14, "author": "Donna", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (19:59)", "body": "I guess half a tree is better then none. HO! HO!"}, {"response": 15, "author": "Anna", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (20:37)", "body": "HO!"}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (22:28)", "body": "I have to make it down to see the tree of lights in Zilker Park. See my comments in the food conference about my wonderful dinner tonight."}, {"response": 17, "author": "mich", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (22:51)", "body": "I'm having a hard time finding any holiday spirit this year. I usually enjoy gift giving and all the events but Novemeber has worn me out. Someone remind me what's it like to have a life outside of work. Donna, could you pls send a little of your xmas spirit my way? I'm in grave need. Mich"}, {"response": 18, "author": "Donna", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (23:03)", "body": "Sure Mich, no, problem it will be a \"surprise\""}, {"response": 19, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Fri, Dec  6, 1996 (13:45)", "body": "D'Arcy or Pemberley shape cookies anyone ? Donna, you already got some gifts ? Got to get them before the usual 24-hour-prior-to-Xmas-day. And it is a major plus to have kids, they really put you in the spirit don't they. Almost no choice but to feel it. My trick for the past years, particularly when all I had was a job and friends at the other corner of the earth, was to give time to needy causes (filling baskets of food. Nothing like seeing a two/three year old receiving is only plush teddy. Even if my situation as quite change, I remained faithfull to this commitment and it makes me feel great. Sending you my warmest wishes of joy and happiness, mich."}, {"response": 20, "author": "cat", "date": "Fri, Dec  6, 1996 (18:40)", "body": "Not a good day today. Two girls in my homeroom were making fun of my friend Tara because she is skinny and short. They called her a Balemic Monkey (I dan't know if thats spellled right). They spread nasty rumors about her for absolutly no reason. They threw her books in the garbage, STOLE a few of her belongings, and on top of all that they threw away her BIBLE!! I am sooooooo pissed off right now. We also lost our game by ONE piont. It was a good game. I am not going to get any sleep tonite becaus John has invited 4 friends to sleep over. They are all loud and abnoxious (forgive spelling)."}, {"response": 21, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Fri, Dec  6, 1996 (20:18)", "body": "Cat, hope you were able to give Tara some support and comfort. At a time like that one really needs one's friends. Insecure young people can be so hard on one another. (And some of them never do grow out of it and become Caroline Bingleys!)"}, {"response": 22, "author": "Donna", "date": "Fri, Dec  6, 1996 (23:27)", "body": "They should have a class in grade school/high school to teach people how to to love each other"}, {"response": 23, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Fri, Dec  6, 1996 (23:38)", "body": "But Donna, I believe that this is what parents are for?"}, {"response": 24, "author": "Donna", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (09:34)", "body": "Cheryl sometimes that is not enough."}, {"response": 25, "author": "cat", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (18:01)", "body": "People can just be so nasty to each other it disgusting! Tara was hysterical all day yesterday! I feel so bad as if I've done something awful. I feel so helpless! I want to comfort her but I can't. She is too upset. Things like this have been going on since fifth grade with her! I thought people in their last year of high school would at least be mature enough not to do that sort of thing. I hope she can forgive them. I hope I can forgive them. It is times like this to where the only way I can f rgive is when I look back and remember what Jesus did for me. Even though we laughed at Him, spat on Him, beat Him, and even killed the Messiah, the son of God, He asked His Father to forgive us all. He could have just jumped off that cross and destroye d all mankind with the snap of a finger but He didn't. He did not want to die but He loved us all so much. He wanted us to be with Him in paradise when we leave our earthly bodies. We do not deserve His love, but He gives it willingly. For those who a e offended by this message I am sorry for invading your beliefs."}, {"response": 26, "author": "cat", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (18:01)", "body": "People can just be so nasty to each other it disgusting! Tara was hysterical all day yesterday! I feel so bad as if I've done something awful. I feel so helpless! I want to comfort her but I can't. She is too upset. Things like this have been going on since fifth grade with her! I thought people in their last year of high school would at least be mature enough not to do that sort of thing. I hope she can forgive them. I hope I can forgive them. It is times like this to where the only way I can f rgive is when I look back and remember what Jesus did for me. Even though we laughed at Him, spat on Him, beat Him, and even killed the Messiah, the son of God, He asked His Father to forgive us all. He could have just jumped off that cross and destroye d all mankind with the snap of a finger but He didn't. He did not want to die but He loved us all so much. He wanted us to be with Him in paradise when we leave our earthly bodies. We do not deserve His love, but He gives it willingly. For those who a e offended by this message I am sorry for invading your beliefs."}, {"response": 27, "author": "cat", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (18:02)", "body": "I thought I hit that button once. Sorry."}, {"response": 28, "author": "Grace", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (18:56)", "body": "I spent the night waiting in a hospital emergency room....the victim is home and doing well, but meanwhile, I now feel like I am the one who need a doctor's care..... in an unrelated incident, I hit someone's car (black ice...nothing I could do)....my son 's snake is loose in the basement (Indiana Jones and I have similar feelings about vipers;I am contemplating a move to the Hilton)....I have to turn out a shepherd costume for my son by Monday or the PTA gestapo will come after me......On Sunday, I must s epherd a bunch of cub scouts carolling at a nursing home; only threats of bodily harm will get them to behave like angels(Hope the elderly won't notice the 'Batman smells' version of Jingle Bells).....my house looks like a sewer....by way of holiday decor ating,I'm thinking of stringing lights on the pumpkins that have frozen to the front porch......and friends keep wondering why I spit at the TV every time an ad for the Martha Stewart Christmas special comes on. Sorry to ramble, but just wanted to let you know it has been a typical week in the House of Grace. Ho, Ho, Ho! P.S. Amy, if you really want to find that stud, I would advise AGAINST using all 16 yards of the muslin....try working with 2 or 3 yards to make some low-cut little number that will hammer home the right message....be sure to wear that WonderBra (or if y ou don't have one, duct tape works the same kind of Wonders) ;-)"}, {"response": 29, "author": "Amy", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (19:17)", "body": "] I hit someone's car (black ice...nothing I could do)... ___ Oh Grace. How awful for you. Do treat yourself to the Hilton. Why not? And popcorn and champaign and P&P tomorrow. Can I come over?"}, {"response": 30, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (19:46)", "body": "Oh dear, Grace! Who is the \"victim\" and of what, if the black ice was an unrelated incident? ANd what variety of snake is loose? Fear not - in general, many snakes make very good pets and many others are of an extremely shy and retiring character and u nlikely to do anything to anyone unless provoked. When in junior high I was one of a group of kids who \"volunteered\" at the museum, and among our duties were, every two weeks, if there were no live mice available with which to feed the snakes, to force-f ed them hamburger, which they would not eat on their own, preferring their food alive. So two of us took on each snake, one holding the mouth open and the other poking the hamburger inside - then we had to hold its mouth shut till it swallowed the bite. The experience really stripped the poor snakes of all dignity and ability to inspire fear. Joan, too"}, {"response": 31, "author": "Grace", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (20:40)", "body": "Joan, the victim of last night's hospital escapade was my husband....he had gone to a Detroit Pistons game and was done in by a hot dog.....a piece lodged in his esophagus.......only with an ambulance, drugs, and a surgeon now behind us,and the victim fee ling much better, can I even dream of talking about the whole thing. (My husband was at the game with friends, one of whom is a thoracic surgeon and the other, a pediatrician. I'm left to wonder where they were during this whole thing!) My husband is a man of few words but because of this incident, those few are down to NONE, and he has to lecture on Monday. My son assures me that the snake missing from his collection is a milk snake...but I think this is a conspiracy to paint images of some benign creature hiding down there rather than a horrible lurking monster. (I am the only person on the block with cans of carnivorous snake food and freeze-dried crickets in her refrigerator - Woe to the guest innocently looking for a midnight snack.) Be assured that we are all now doing well.....and the HIlton says they do offer special rates for extended stays. Grace"}, {"response": 32, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (23:40)", "body": "Re: 59:31 - what a nasty and scary experience. One would have thought that in the company he was in, he'd have been in good hands! My husband is a man of few words but because of this incident, those few are down to NONE, and he has to lecture on Monday.\" Hopefully the swelling will have gone down at least somewhat by then. And if not, tell him to borrow a PowerBook, feed it a SimpleText textfile and let MacInTalk read it for him. [grin] I am the only person on the block with cans of carnivorous snake food and freeze-dried crickets in her refrigerator For a year or two I had siamese fighting fish, and was the only one on my block with live brine shrimp tubifex worms in my refrigerator. Equally disgusting- especially the tubifex worms! Joan, too"}, {"response": 33, "author": "Hilary", "date": "Sun, Dec  8, 1996 (21:54)", "body": "You beat me to it with the muslin, Grace. I'm glad you and your husband are okay."}, {"response": 34, "author": "Grace", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (07:22)", "body": "About beating you to it with the muslin, Hilary.......I couldn't help myself; Amy gave us an opening that was 'sew' inviting. (By the way,I threw in the duct tape just to please you.) If I had been smart, I would have gotten Amy to whip up my shepherd costume with the extra yardage and send it by overnight mail. The family survived a difficult week....I was just beginning to feel optimistic about life again.....and then I went to that party last night at the home of a Martha Stewart clone...... which was enough to plunge this hapless homemaker into endless depres sion! So begins another week."}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (07:35)", "body": "I'm off to work this morning. I had a nice weekend. We had very pleasant weather here in Austin. I started topic 82 in hopes that some of you will email folks that are interested in the Spring. If you find someone to your liking in topic 82, please email them and let them know they are most welcome here on the Spring. This would be most appreciated. I finished tape one of P&P and am part way in to tape two. I'm savoring the experience of seeing these tapes!"}, {"response": 36, "author": "Hilary", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (14:47)", "body": "Who is Martha Stewart? Should I know? Thanks for the virtual ducktape! I should really use some round here - three of our 11 ducklings have died, probably at the beak of our drake. What we will do when we go away is a problem. Saw Jackson Browne and Bonnie Raitt last night. JB was enjoyable, ultra smooth, BR was WONDERFUL, great voice, fantastic blues slide electric guitar, and one raunchy lady."}, {"response": 37, "author": "Grace", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (15:06)", "body": "Martha is the US doyenne of elegant entertaining. 'She' is an empire...does TV specials, has books by the dozen, her own magazine -Martha Stewart Living, and a catalog of upscale merchandise. People either adore her, or, as in my case, live to make fun o f her. Diane White, a columnist at the Boston Globe, has for years kept up an anti-Martha campaign. Martha parody books are a hot item for Christmas around here. Jackson Browne AND Bonnie Raitt? Wow."}, {"response": 38, "author": "Anna", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (15:23)", "body": "quote for the day \"Boring Women Have Immaculate Homes\" (from my fridge magnet)"}, {"response": 39, "author": "Amy", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (16:40)", "body": "Hil, my nearly dead nap page has a Jackson Brown song as its theme song: http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/wno.html"}, {"response": 40, "author": "Amy", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (16:42)", "body": "Donna, tell your story about meeting Hornsby in the music conference, and I will tell about Mellencamp? Did we not tell each other we met them while pregnant?"}, {"response": 41, "author": "Hilary", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (17:44)", "body": "Amy, do you mean the music conference here at spring? I haven't got beyond here yet. 'Running on Empty' is a great song, BTW. Sorry it is applicable to your nap page, though. Or are you happy its run its course? Just musing that its 16 years since John Lennon died. I still get sad about it. 'And so this is Chrismas, and what have you done, Another year over, a new one just begun'.... And Joni's still ricochetting around in my head: Its coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees They're putting up reindeer And singing songs of joy and peace. I wish I had a river I could skate away on...."}, {"response": 42, "author": "Amy", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (18:46)", "body": "] Just musing that its 16 years since John Lennon died. ___ I happened to be in New York just after the murder and went to the Park for the vigil. I will never for get it."}, {"response": 43, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (20:25)", "body": "I love those old Joni Mitchell songs!!"}, {"response": 44, "author": "jane", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (23:09)", "body": "Hilary, I am so glad that Martha Stewart has not poisoned Australia yet. If she stages a coup and completely takes over here (she decorated the White House last year on her Christma she knows her way around), Grace, Anna and the rest of us may have to co me and hide out at your place. Jane"}, {"response": 45, "author": "Anna", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (23:37)", "body": "Jane - I am in Australia :)"}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (23:52)", "body": "... at a safe distance from Martha Stewart."}, {"response": 47, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (01:07)", "body": "I am no where near even the fringe of the nieghborhood of Christmas Cheer. I have baked no cookies, I have sent no cards, I have bought no presents, I have not decorated my house (I did decorate my piano studio for my students, but that's all.) I am up to my eyeballs in Christmas in everything I do but none of it has affected me. This is the busiest time for musicians, everyone wants special Christmas programs- I have 9 more events in addition to my regularly packed schedule in the next two weeks. I a so busy \"Making Christmas Bright\" for everyone else that I have none left for myself. An occupational hazard, I know, and in the past I've always been able to rise above it, but not this year. The only day I can even see a few open hours to shop is Dec . 23, and I get the heebie jeebies just thinking about entering a mall two days before Christmas! Santa, help me!"}, {"response": 48, "author": "jane", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (09:23)", "body": "Anna, I realized after I posted my message that I was only guessing that you were within reach of Martha's clutches. That gives the rest of us another potential refulge! Cheryl, I am in a similar boat, not as busy so less of an excuse for failure to make cookies, decorate, shop. My husband is out of town this week so I am with our 2-year old--I tried to go shopping but had to chase her around, and ended up spending a few hours at the mall buying only stuff for her. But here's a shopping tip that I found out about on the Austen-L, and bought for my aunt. Blockbuster has, for $29.99, Persuasion and Sense and Sensibility packaged together. The problem is, it is probably better present for you than for anyone you know! Jane P.S. Music is such a great part of Christmas---at least you can enjoy your work!"}, {"response": 49, "author": "Mixu", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (09:24)", "body": "It is funny how the weather changes here in Oulu, Finland. In the morning it is quite warm (about +2 degrees centigrade, which is warm this time of the year), and there's little water in the streets. In the evening, returning home, you have to walk through several inches (20 in worst cases) of snow, and the temperature is -15 degrees C. I have to get used to it. Usually it has been -20 and 20 inches of snow all the time. The worst point is that it is VERY slippery... Hope I'll live through Xmas, I'll visit my parents and eat well... And have a decent sauna, with my mother's healing spells. We belong to a family of witches, after all."}, {"response": 50, "author": "Amy", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (09:57)", "body": "Real witches, Mixu? Tell. Jane, just think. Unless you are going to have more kids, it gets easier every second with the little ones. Today you can't shop. In another few months you will be able to avert your eyes for a few more seconds at a time to attend to what you need. Amy"}, {"response": 51, "author": "Grace", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (10:27)", "body": "Re 59:32 Joan, just wanted to let you know that my husband was able to croak his way through Monday's lecture and everything went well. (I had dragged him over to read your solution, he got quite a kick out of it.... and said to tell you thanks!) Grace P.S. This madhouse I live in also boasts siamese fighting fish....but we don't spoil ours with the worms you mentioned."}, {"response": 52, "author": "Grace", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (10:36)", "body": "Re 59:38 Anna, what an inspirational fridge magnet...BORING WOMEN HAVE IMMACULATE HOMES......I'd love to put one on my fridge but I find the dirt layer keeps magnets from sticking......time to buy a new fridge, I guess!"}, {"response": 53, "author": "Amy", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (13:04)", "body": "Hil, Re: Running on Empty 59:32 (Joan I am getting to like this notation) Did the MIDI link work for you? Amy"}, {"response": 54, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (14:16)", "body": "Re: 59:51 - Grace - glad he enjoyed it. :-) If you don't have to \"do\" tubifex worms, you must have a reliable supply of live brine shrimp - mine were too picky to eat the feeeze-dried ones. Amy, re: 59:53 - using the numbers is better than nothing, but not nearly as good as an automatically created link! For example, \"Re: Running on Empty 59:32\" - \"32\" is not about MIDI - it's about tubifex worms. (It's too easy to copy the wrong numbers! - especially for those of us who are numerically challenged! I count myself as one of these, having scored in the 4th percentile in a math aptitude test.) I have been playing around in the redisplay box below and have discovered that to go back just to a referred-to response, typing in \"32-32\" will get just that one response (which is how I knew that it was tubifex worms). And that typing a negative number , say \"-4\", will show just the last 4 responses."}, {"response": 55, "author": "Amy", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (15:47)", "body": "] And that typing a negative number, say \"-4\", will show just the last 4 responses. ___ That might be handy."}, {"response": 56, "author": "Kaffeine", "date": "Tue, Dec 10, 1996 (17:19)", "body": "\"Blockbuster has, for $29.99, Persuasion and Sense and Sensibility packaged together\" Thank you! I just called my local Blockbuster and they have it - and my husband is going x-mas shopping tomorrow night. Guess what just made it to the top of my list?!"}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (06:48)", "body": "I'm busier than you can imagine, and will be till the weekend. Keep the home fires burning Amy!"}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (07:01)", "body": "Mixu, have you discovered 'austen' yet? You're in for a treat!"}, {"response": 59, "author": "Ann", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (18:11)", "body": "I lost my wallet! This must be the worst time of year to be without credit cards."}, {"response": 60, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (19:13)", "body": "Gosh, sorry to hear this Ann. Is there any chance of retrieving it? Where did you lose it?"}, {"response": 61, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Wed, Dec 11, 1996 (22:41)", "body": "Oh Dear - you have my deepest sympathy. This time last year I had mine stolen. Had to stop and change everything - including house and car locks, since there were spares for both car and house in the wallet, and had no ID. Then about 3 weeks later a ma il carrier found it in the bushes in a neighboring community - everything there but the cash."}, {"response": 62, "author": "mich", "date": "Thu, Dec 12, 1996 (11:44)", "body": "Subject: \"software\" Last year, my friend upgraded his GirlFriend3.1 to GirlFriendPlus1.0 (marketing name: Fiancee1.0). Recently he upgraded Fiancee1.0 to Wife1.0 and it's a memory hogger, has taken all his space; and Wife1.0 must be running before he can do anything. Althoug h he didn't ask for them, Wife1.0 came with plug-ins such as MotherInLaw and BrotherInLaw. Some features I'd like to see in the upcoming GirlFriend4.0... - A \"Don't remind me again\" button - Minimize button - Shutdown feature - An installshield feature so that Girlfriend4.0 can be completely uninstalled if so desired (so you don't lose cache and other objects) I tried running Girlfriend 2.0 with Girlfriend 1.0 still installed, they tried using the same I/O port and conflicted. Then I tried to uninstall Girlfriend 1.0 but it didn't have an uninstall program. I tried to unstall it by hand, but it put files in m y system directory. Another thing that sucks -- in all versions of Girlfriend that I've used is that it is totally \"object orientated\" and only supports hardware with gold plated contacts. ***** BUG WARNING ******** Wife 1.0 has an undocumented bug. If you try to install Mistress 1.1 before uninstalling Wife 1.0, Wife 1.0 will delete MSMoney files before doing the uninstall itself. Then Mistress 1.1 will refuse to install, claiming insufficient resources. passing along funnies for the day. Mich"}, {"response": 63, "author": "drymartini", "date": "Thu, Dec 12, 1996 (16:14)", "body": "Amy, #4 response. I got ahold of a stud finder once. It was recommended by Norm Abrams, I think. Well, I figured this device would soon have me in touch with one or more outstanding specimens of manhood. Unfortunately, the device was not a stud finder at all. It was a turkey caller. I guess the items got mixed up in the display; this happens at flea markets. As a turkey caller it was effective. Several real losers showed up and asked me for a date. A week later I donated the turkey caller to the Chamber of Commerce because they were holding their annual Sport-o-rama and there was to be a turkey calling contest. At the height of the contest, my ex flew in from Texas. So I know the turkey caller worked properly, when used by an expert. As for the bolt of unbleached muslin, you could make several sets of sheets. 108\" X 90\" for standard flat sheets, I think. That's after the hems. It's good to have plenty on hand if your stud finder works well. Keep us all posted, hear?"}, {"response": 64, "author": "Hilary", "date": "Thu, Dec 12, 1996 (16:57)", "body": "Amy, I could get through to click on \"Running on empty\" but then it just gave me coded screen messages, it didn't play anything."}, {"response": 65, "author": "trainmaster", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (08:06)", "body": "I'm new on this, but after reading this I don't feel so bad. Christmas is kind of a bummer this year. Both daughers left home this summer, and the house is empty. I have a new granddaughter in Germany that I haven't got to hold yet.So am not really in t he Christmas spirit yet. My best to all of you. As for Martha Stewart, I wish she was real. No one can be that creative all the the time. I think she is a defense department robot that went haywire. Have a happy holiday to all, and to all a good nig t!"}, {"response": 66, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (11:19)", "body": "That explains Martha Stewart! No wonder."}, {"response": 67, "author": "Amy", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (17:11)", "body": "I found a nice #7 sable brush half covered with mud under a pine tree during my walk. I think it is a present."}, {"response": 68, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (20:20)", "body": "I called Scott Holman over at BIS and he got the dedicated ip to resolve. But that's another topic. I've been rambling around the house today, cleaning and organizing. I started today driving through the fog to a breakfast at IHOP. As they say around town, 'onward through the fog'. I feel like going out for a night time walk."}, {"response": 69, "author": "Kennebec", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (23:35)", "body": "Hmm. Been pretty noisy today. Attended #1 son's play off basketball game (we won), took same son Christmas shopping (he was miserable), went to my 91 year old grammies for a real baked bean supper (we go every Saturday night), came home around 10:00 to complete chaos. #1 Daughter crying because Dad had carted her away from 3 boys & 2 girls spell TROUBLE. (She is 14 and was horribly embarassed. One of the boys had been RUDE. Dad didn't like it. Parents call. Apologies. More howling. Daughter VERY MAD not at Rude Boy, no, Mad at Dad for intefering) This is the only quiet spot in the whole house (and it's already Sunday). By the way, I agreed with Dad and not Daughter and am trying to convince her that her 'friend' owes her a BIG apology. That the whole incident is really about respect and dignity. Being a parent is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life."}, {"response": 70, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (23:46)", "body": "Well, me and significant other were going out to eat when we decided to go by 15 year old stepson's fathers house (who is out of town) to check it out. Stepson was supposed to be spending the night at a friends house. Seems we had a idea that stepson mi ght be up to something. When we drove up to the house there were and wife unit walked in, about 50-75 adolescents scurried out of the house. The house was full of beer, liquer etc.. When it was time to go stepson had set it up where one of his friends icked him up and he left. We chased after him but to no avail. Needless to say, stepson is grounded till next year, which I do not know if that is more of a punishment for me/us or him."}, {"response": 71, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (01:20)", "body": "I am so glad I do not have kids!"}, {"response": 72, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (01:38)", "body": "And that's what I'll have the privileged to, in about 10 years. Preparing myself, I think...."}, {"response": 73, "author": "Cynthia7", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (07:07)", "body": "Hi, I'm new to Ramble. It's about dawn in S.F.Sunday morning the 15th. I hoping to get some leads on how to find out information about who actually makes those holiday ornaments in China, etc. or the toys. Having just watched the TV special last Sunday Mrs. Santa Claus, and the part about the kids making thetoys, I couldn't help wonder, as I went shopping yesterday. Me, I'm getting my elementary teaching credential with an emphasis in technology. If posssible, now that finals are just about over, I'd like to throw up a web page about this topic. The page would be dedicated to Iqbal Masih http://www.digitalrag.com/mirror/iqbal.html a 12 year old who was killed on Easter Sunday organizing against child labor My e-mail address is crapak@sfsu.edu. not the one that I had to register with Any leads would be appreciated. I'll try to check back on this conference but e-mailing me directly would also be appreciated since time is short and I want to have it up before next week shopping. I'll be doing research on who makes toys for leading toy makers, GUND, etc. and other importers who may or may not be using children to make the ornaments, toys. Happy Holidays Please feel free to forward this request to any appropriate list etc. Thanks for the help!"}, {"response": 74, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (09:15)", "body": "Sure, we'll be happy to let you set up your web page. Send your request to: mailto://terry@spring.com Be sure to let me know what username you would like."}, {"response": 75, "author": "kendall", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (10:02)", "body": "Terry and Amy - there are now so many threads - that it takes a long time to review just today's messages. Lots of IO time just to see that person \"A\" is LOL at person B's comment yesterday. I love those comments, but there is a lot of download time inv olved here. If we get a day or two behind, we drown. Is it possible to combined threads - maybe the older ones - on similar topics so we of limited time can cover the ground a little quicker. Maybe after a topic is a week old, it could be folded in with other similar topics. We have two addiction threads, two duckfaces, several minor character threads, lots of others that could be combined so that IO time could be reduced."}, {"response": 76, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (10:10)", "body": "The way to \"combine threads\" or topics as they're called, would be copy and paste a complete topic into a single response in another topic then \"scribble\" it. Or make it hidden unless you clicked on it. We'd have to ask Dave how to implement a scribble command or hide command or whatever you wanted to call it. It's not currently implemented. But this could be a solution. Is this what you mean?"}, {"response": 77, "author": "Donna", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (10:26)", "body": "Re; It seems that you have to be one step ahead of them. At least no one was injuried. I would definitly ground him{a year is pretty hard to enforce} and make him do chores around the house.My son said {who is 13} he should not be allowed to drive until{n o permit} he is 18 years old. I am very surprised at this punishment. He knows that most kids can't wait to drive just, like him."}, {"response": 78, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (20:14)", "body": "I just got caught up on reading my e-mail! 37 messages deleted from the trash bin! Whoohoo!! Free at last, free at last, thank God amighty, I'm free at last! (at least until tomorrow...)"}, {"response": 79, "author": "Saman", "date": "Mon, Dec 16, 1996 (02:50)", "body": "I hate what Christmas does to my hard-earned savings (perhaps dislike is a better word). I went shopping today for the major presents which I have been planning to but for weeks and ended up spending twice as much as I intended - mainly on stuff for me! I just checked my email and I got a lovely reply from the moderator of the Crowded House list I subscribe to. In my eagerness to inform the listies of an upcoming interview I mailed them, and then when it bounced back I mailed it again (and perhaps even a third time). Stupid me - it only bounced from one list member so now people around the world think I'm a hopeless newbie (I really dislike that). But Marck (the list operator) was really sweet and has made me feel a whole lot better. I think I'll stic to lurking on that list, and compensate by posting excessively here, because it's such a supporting environment :)"}, {"response": 80, "author": "Mixu", "date": "Mon, Dec 16, 1996 (08:34)", "body": "Amy (and all the others who are interested) Yes, a sort of. You know, the meaning here in Finland is a little bit different. It actually means \"A family with strange powers\", or something like that. Anyway, in my family there HAS been a real witch (I think it was my great-great-grandfather), who could, for example, make the neighbour's cows to disappear. Then there are some healers (like my mother's uncle, and, to a limited extent, my mother) and my elder little brother sometimes sees the future in his dreams. My gift is the same that my grandmother (from my mother's side, because that's the family) had: I have an inborn empathy towards people and animals. Sometimes I can predict very accurately the actions of some people, even though I don't know them well. It usually works for friends only, though. A disturbing gift, I'd say. I even saw the destruction of my 1,5 year relationship, because my girlfriend fell in love with a good friend of mine. I was the one that knew it first (even before they did), but since I've sworn I won't try to interfere with my empathy, I did nothing. Maybe it wouldn't have helped. They are married now, and happy. I think. I should visit them at Christmas... Okay, that's enough for now about the Finnish witches. I think it was no wonder that in medieval times the Finns were feared wizards. There's still some of the powers left. I know of a couple of other witch families, too."}, {"response": 81, "author": "Ann", "date": "Mon, Dec 16, 1996 (17:34)", "body": "I have a similar ability to your brother's. Sometimes, when I am about to fall asleep, I get a sort of dream, but with a difference--I know that they are predictive of the future. Before I ever went to college, or ever visited the campus, I saw a glimpse of one of the classrooms and the teacher giving a lecture; about two years later what I saw came true. It used to happen much more often when I was younger, but actually occurred t wice on the same day last week. As a physicist and a scientist this is a bit disturbing. I must conclude from personal experience that time is not linear, but folds upon itself in a way which allows information from one time to be viewed in another. I also keep in mind a line from Billy-Boy: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. (By the way I'm 1/4 Finnish (my paternal grandmother))"}, {"response": 82, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (19:47)", "body": "In regard to the punishment for stepson, we agreed for him to be grounded till Christmas. You all are right, you must stay one step ahead of them. He being only 18 years younger than me helps as well. It only seems like yesterday that I was up to simil ar shaningans. In regards to the above, Well I have to think about whether time is not linear, but folds upon itself. Being of the logical sorts who did too much experimentation when younger, I tend to pulled between logic and experience."}, {"response": 83, "author": "maddog", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (15:52)", "body": "Terry, just checked out the apps conference looking for help on a problem I have been having with realaudio - yikes, that conference is huge! - anyhow I kept getting a server error message when I tried to get into the realaudio section - thought I should let you know and also to ask who/where else could I turn for help with realaudio questions - specifically I am looking for a way to obtain a new copy of the old raplayer 2.x plugin for netscape/win 3.x - it seems that now that realaudio has come out with .0, they don't offer it anymore (snobs)- and 3.0 merely taunts me with bandwidth error messages on my poor old 486/14,400 set up.... I tried clicking my red shoes together and saying \"there's no place like version 2.x\", but it didn't work......"}, {"response": 84, "author": "cat", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (19:15)", "body": "Hello Peoples! My computer has been used by my mother and younger brother for the past WEEK. It has been hard to be away for so long but I have comforted myself and have started to read Northangar Abbey. Who is ready for the Flu\\Cold season? The Octe t (my singing group) gave a concert this morning. Yours Truely got a solo in \"Emmanuel\" ....in our darkness, in our bondage, child of hope we long for thee, walk among us, dwell within us, be our light and set us free, Emmanuel, Emmanuel, our God is with us now Emmanuel, the daystar of our night is sleeping on the straw, be with us now Emmanuel.....Isn't that song BEAUTIFUL! I am also singing it on Christmas Eve. Is that cool or what?"}, {"response": 85, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (20:51)", "body": "Maddog, check out http://www.realaudio.com and try our conference again. That server error happens every now and then but you'll probably be able to get in next time."}, {"response": 86, "author": "maddog", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (14:03)", "body": "thanks - I all ready been to realaudio, of course they no longer offer 2.0 (must have partners in the modem business) - It's really a drag when a company will not support a product that is less than a year old, just because they have a newer release. It k ind of leaves people like me in the lurch if we can't go buy a new pentium to run their new product. (sounds like some other company I won't mention but whose initials are microsoft!) I will check your realaudio conference again to see if there is anyone that made a backup copy of version 2.0 they might share..."}, {"response": 87, "author": "MaryC", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (11:05)", "body": "Ladies, just have to share the words of wisdom on my perpetual calendar yesterday; reading it made my day. \"There's nothing wrong in the world that a sensible woman couldn't settle in an afternoon\". Happy Holidays!"}, {"response": 88, "author": "drymartini", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (19:53)", "body": "Amy-- have you used all your muslin? I heard there is a KKK for persons of color: they call it the Black Muslins. Cat-- I hope your friend Tara is doing okay and you are feeling better about that ugly situation. Maybe the kids who stole Tara's Bible will peek inside and find something helpful. I find it very hard to pray for people who are mean to me, or to others. B ut when I am able to, it is liberating. Cheryl-- we have something in common. I teach computer stuff a lot these days, but I have not been able to give up teaching piano. But hey, keyboards is keyboards, hmmm? I like to think about how the piano was developed by Bart. Cristofori, whose huge tro uble was perfecting the escapement. But they said it couldn't be done-- you couldn't have a keyboard instrument that you could control, as to amplitude or loudness, by the way you struck the keys! Then many years later the whole thing was repeated from Mo g on, with electronic keyboards finally becoming polyphonic and TOUCH RESPONSIVE. Wow! I think Bach would have been nuts about electronic music stuff. Joyous holidays, all!"}, {"response": 89, "author": "maddog", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (21:55)", "body": "Terry - within 24 hours of posting my plea about my realaudio problems in your apps conference, I have been in contact with a very fine dude named David Bowles who searched/found and mailed me a new copy of version 2.0! I bow long and low to him, you, and The Spring for making this possible - I never fail to be in awe of the power of the net and the kindness of the people I have met here. peace and joy"}, {"response": 90, "author": "cat", "date": "Sun, Dec 22, 1996 (07:54)", "body": "I can't believe Christmas is only 3 days away!"}, {"response": 91, "author": "Donna", "date": "Sun, Dec 22, 1996 (17:10)", "body": "I am so bored I changed the curtains in my kitchen. Just a few things to wrap and a couple of cookies to bake. Hope everyone has most of their shopping done because I know I hate fighting the crowds. that must be the reason why it is so quite around here . Merry Christmas."}, {"response": 92, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Mon, Dec 23, 1996 (00:32)", "body": "I know that some of my friends here have been concerned about me and my complete and utter lack of Christmas spirit. I have had a few glimpses of it this past week; last Thursday when I attended the Jr. High School Band Concert and watched 11 of my piano or handbell kids play their band instruments in public for the first time, and again at my students Christmas Piano Recital, all of them dressed up in their Sunday best and playing all the old favorites! This morning my church choir offered our Annual Christmas Cantata and I felt the closest to Christmas that I have been, singing the wonderful words about our Lord choosing to become one of us to save us. I even came home and did some decorating! Tomorro w I am spending the day baking, for who can be a Grinch when eating Grandma's famous Christmas cookies! I am very thankful this Christmas for all the new friends I have found here. God bless you all!"}, {"response": 93, "author": "geekman", "date": "Mon, Dec 23, 1996 (02:58)", "body": "God Bless You Merry Gentlepeople at this festive time. I'm so pleased to have met all of the wonderful people who make up the growing band of Austenites. I am especially thankful to Amy and Terry for their time, patience and perseverance, and of course their server space."}, {"response": 94, "author": "lars", "date": "Mon, Dec 23, 1996 (16:56)", "body": "Hi Terry. Hmm. Suspected we had similar ancestry. Pretty nice place! Soon on way to bar to see friends before all take off for xmas. Fill myself with liquid \"charm and intelligence.\" Then probably enter cyberspace - again. Merry holidays to all from Frisco! Lars"}, {"response": 95, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 23, 1996 (22:08)", "body": "You're Norwegian Lars?"}, {"response": 96, "author": "Ann", "date": "Mon, Dec 23, 1996 (22:41)", "body": "Today, my sister and I trekked out into the blizzard we are experiencing here in Minneapolis and went to what locals refer to as the Mega-Mall, also known, more formally, as the Mall of America--the largest shopping mall in the United States (there is a larger one in Edminton Canada). I was pleasently suprised to find that the mall wasn't very crowded--on this Christmas-Eve Eve. Perhaps even hearty Minnesotans were afraid to wade through the snow and ice to go shopping (thank God for 4-WD!). But I believe it is more likely that they were all hanging their heads in shame after the trouncing the Vikings took yesterday at the hands of the Green Bay Packers 38-10 (GO PACK!!!). Your Eternal Cheesehead--Ann"}, {"response": 97, "author": "Mlydle", "date": "Tue, Dec 24, 1996 (00:41)", "body": "Well, here in Austin its a balmy 60-70 degrees. Being of the male persuasion, I find myself compelled to wait till the last 2-3 days to shop, so I was one of the many hurried masses going madly from place to place (thank god for Valium and relaxation tap es) trying to find that perfect gift within my price range. Need a John Madden Super Nintendo ASAP, stepson can't have all clothes. And all the while trying what this years Christmas symbolizes to me. But more on that later, Wallmart is open 24 hours.. ."}, {"response": 98, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 24, 1996 (04:14)", "body": "So, Ann, you're one of those folks we see on tv with face painted green and a big block of cheese mounted atop their heads?"}, {"response": 99, "author": "Ann", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 1996 (01:17)", "body": "I got a cheesehead for Christmas!"}, {"response": 100, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 1996 (06:32)", "body": "Can we see a picture of you wearing a cheesehead on your web page?"}, {"response": 101, "author": "Ann", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 1996 (11:18)", "body": "I'll work on it! Thanks Terry for giving me a home page. It's up and running--and extremely boring at the moment (www.spring.com/~anneh/). It's basically all of my bookmarks. I'll work on making it more interesting. My sister has a scanner and said she will scan whatever I want, but she lives in California, about to embark on a three week trip to Italy, so it will be a while before any cheesehead pictures could possibly appear."}, {"response": 102, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 1996 (11:58)", "body": "I have a scanner too, if anyone needs to mail pictures to me for their webpage."}, {"response": 103, "author": "churchh", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 1996 (13:11)", "body": "Hey Ann, I'm majorly bummed out that you didn't include your very own graphic that I made just for you, on your webpage. I spent five minutes looking for the quote and a whole fifteen minutes slaving over a hot Photoshop to make the graphic, so I think i t's the least you could do..."}, {"response": 104, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 1996 (14:31)", "body": "The cheesehead shot?"}, {"response": 105, "author": "Ann", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 1996 (21:46)", "body": "Check out my HTML Tags Tutorial: www.spring.com/~anneh/tagsaaaa.html Any advice on changes or additions are very welcome. I do like my graphic Henry. I will put it up."}, {"response": 106, "author": "MaryC", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 1996 (17:09)", "body": "Thanks Ann for so pleasantly reminding me of why I don't live in Minnesota anymore, and why visiting Minnesota is much more pleasant in the summertime. The Mall of America is awesome, and so close to the airport when I come for those summer visits. Happ y New (and hopefully warmer) Year!"}, {"response": 107, "author": "drymartini", "date": "Fri, Dec 27, 1996 (11:20)", "body": "Careful with those tranks, now. Say, have you seen this new product that contains tranks and aspertame? It's called EqualLibrium. Hope you made it back safely from the bar where you stocked up on charm, etc. I have been doing extensive research into the construction of bottles, there being a major container maker in my town. I have discovered that most bottlenecks are at the t op. Tried to explain this to my managing editor; he is not convinced. Does your research bear out my conclusions, Lars? Or do we need to continue gathering data, replicating our results? When we have enough data, will we be able to perform analyses and re ort our findings?"}, {"response": 108, "author": "Donna", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (13:25)", "body": "My girlfriend and I took my 3 kids and her eldest daughter out for Pizza.Of course they always bring the pitcher of soda to soon.By the time the pizza came it was all gone.I had some left in my cup and eldest daughter had some left in hers. When my kids a re thristy watch out for your drink. My six year old says \"Hey Gee\" your not drinking your soda\"\"How come\"? \"May I please have some\" she said \"Sure\". His reply was \"thanks\" \"and If you don't mind I'll take the straw too\".It was done in the politest manner for a six year old don't ya think.We all jumped on the poor kid Scotty! It was funny.Then they had to play the jukebox\"Grandma Got Ran Over by a Raindeer\" it was hilarous.They all started singing. This is why I don't go out very much. What a scene???"}, {"response": 109, "author": "TJ", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (14:03)", "body": "WOW, first time i came to this area, but then again i haven't been around in a while....had to read all 108 entries as new.....what an interesting bunch of comments, statements, conversations, questions & answers. Absolutely loved it, sure wish this wa s an open chat..... I would definitely like to talk to many of you regularly........ Terry have you thought about putting in a chat area.......??????????"}, {"response": 110, "author": "Ann", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (18:58)", "body": "We have a chat room. You can get to this from the link on the main Austen Conference page. It is the Pemberley Drawing Room: http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin/Chat/nph-chat.cgi"}, {"response": 111, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (21:21)", "body": "Good to see you coming around again TJ. One of these times I'm gonna make it for darts at the tavern down in Bastrop. Let me know when the next one is going to be ok? We can get our own chat room if folks want it. The kind Pemberly folks have offered us their software if we want it. It's not ichat, but it's not bad stuff."}, {"response": 112, "author": "TJ", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (10:31)", "body": "from the looks of the stuff on the ramble page, it might be a good idea to have our own chat area.......at least see if anyone else has an interest.......but right now I think I'll check out the Pemberly Drawing Room.........Paul, yea it is nice to be bac k......do you have anything to do the Bastrop Internet Services??????.......do you know Daryl Kouba??????......hope to see you on Thursday (darts)..........."}, {"response": 113, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (10:35)", "body": "I have two servers on the bastrop.net. I can't get a hold of the kid who does their web page. I'm looking for someone in the Bastrop area, a high school kid would be ok, who can work part time at the Spring installing networks, configuring servers, and doing data entry work. I have a plan to make the Spring a world class web site and I am starting to sense an organization forming. The folks in the Austen conference are really pitching in and helping out and starting to take part in some website projects. But I need some help locally now."}, {"response": 114, "author": "Linda409", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (13:56)", "body": "There are a group of us (about 10) who have formed a music group here at work to exercise our mutual love of music. Twice a month, we reserve a conference room, bring in our instruments and meet together during lunch hour. I play piano and keyboard (at work) and sing, all just a little and very ill, indeed. But, it is something else that affords me an extraordinary source of pleasure (like Jane Austen). We play and sing lots of different kinds of music because we have different tastes which include popular, country, standards, classical. We haven't had the nerve to attempt jazz, yet. One of the pieces that we do frequently is Handel's Largo from \"Xerxe s which is the piece that Mary sings in P&P2 (at the Netherfield Ball, I think). For the past couple of years, we have hosted a Christmas sing-along where we play and sing holiday music in the cafeteria and invite the entire building to join us. It has been well received. Today, I ran into Karen, who is a fellow music group member. As we were chatting, we discovered a mutual love of P&P and P&P2. I'm so excited!! I think that I can create yet another addict. Now, besides you wonderful internet friends, I will be able to talk about Jane Austen face to face with Karen at work and with my friend Barbra after working hours. 1997 is going to be great!!! Happy New Year to you all !!!"}, {"response": 115, "author": "jane", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (14:13)", "body": "Linda, That music group sounds really delightful. I recently found out that a woman who works where I do is a longtime committed lurker to this board. She didn't recognize me from my postings, but we found out by accident that we both like this place. And the significant other of a man I work with is a frequent visitor to Firthdom, and has a copy of The Making of P&P that she will lend me. Small world, indeed. Jane"}, {"response": 116, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (20:29)", "body": "Well, here it is New Year's Eve, and the state of the northern part of the state (CA) could be better. The Russian River is now 2 feet above flood stage and the people up there have been told to evacuate or prepare to be stranded. So much for the ir New Year's Eve plans... While the rain has not been excessive in my immediate neighborhood, 3 of our local reservoirs are full-up and spilling over their dams, and our entire TV cable system has \"broken\" somewhere and they don't yet know where or why. Before it broke we saw a few seconds of the New Year's fireworks in Sidney Harbour - and I think I spotted Ian waving at the camera. Happy New Year, all!"}, {"response": 117, "author": "Donna", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (20:38)", "body": "Rain has been excessive here {in PA.} to Joan. We had a flood in the Summer of 1972. Are you worried about flooding? The weather man said we only had more rain \"100\" years ago. Now that is very strange."}, {"response": 118, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (20:58)", "body": "I am not concerned for my own estate being flooded, but it is sad to see it happening to our neighbors to the north again - they got it badly in 1986 and again in 1995, and here they go again... Many vineyards are already under 3 to 4 feet of wate r..."}, {"response": 119, "author": "McBruce", "date": "Tue, Dec 31, 1996 (21:32)", "body": "Heading into 1997 in the Last Frontier, our weather isn't threatening just darn inconvenient. Forecast for tonight is 40-45 below, extended forecast thru sunday is 30-60 below. On the plus side, tomorrow we break the 4 hour mark of available daylight! Had the truck plugged in all afternoon so it would start tonight, now the question is how long I can stay out before it freezes up. A happy and peaceful 1997 to all!"}, {"response": 120, "author": "mrobens", "date": "Wed, Jan  1, 1997 (00:00)", "body": "This all makes Boston's 20 degrees F. and 1 inch of snow seem so anemic. I wish you all a more pleasant '97."}, {"response": 121, "author": "Anna", "date": "Wed, Jan  1, 1997 (04:29)", "body": "On the subject of one in a hundred year rainfalls; about 5 years ago sydney had the third of 3 one in a hundred year rains in 4 years - ain't statistics wonderful. In the ritzy part of town a Jaguar was swept down the street and deposited on top of someo ne's Mercedes; truly impressive rain. Still, at least it was summer, so warm, if wet. I hope those in need dry out soon."}, {"response": 122, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Wed, Jan  1, 1997 (04:54)", "body": "It is warm (relatively speaking) though wet here - it is pouring as I type yet at almost 3 AM it is only 64 F outside. Pineapple express for sure!"}, {"response": 123, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan  1, 1997 (10:58)", "body": "Austin's sixth street partied down last night and I got a video of myself at the stroke of midnight on the Springs' main page . I started out at the KOOP party at Armageddon and ended up with the masses on Sixth, watching the big silver start get hoisted by a huge crane. Now, I'm sitting in Cedar Creek with my coffee and toast. Happy New Year everyone!"}, {"response": 124, "author": "MaryC", "date": "Wed, Jan  1, 1997 (23:53)", "body": "For all of you suffering through some absolutely awful winter weather, we in southern California are busy taking good care of all the truly nice weather for you and would be vastly happy to send it your way at any time convenient!"}, {"response": 125, "author": "Inko", "date": "Thu, Jan  2, 1997 (16:20)", "body": "Mary, my visiting daughter would greatly appreciate it if you would send your truly nice weather to Seattle. She's heading back there tomorrow and would like to return to decent weather!;-)"}, {"response": 126, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Thu, Jan  2, 1997 (17:58)", "body": "and would be vastly happy to send it your way at any time convenient! Please do not stand on ceremony or await an invitation! Any time at all would be convenient! Stepping on my lawn sounds and feels like treading on saturated sponges. :-("}, {"response": 127, "author": "tedchong", "date": "Thu, Jan  2, 1997 (18:23)", "body": "Hi Terry, we still cannot access news.prismnet.com for quite some time after you switch from iamerica.net. It seems like prismnet did not open usenet access for our IP addresses. Hope you can check this matter and happy new year."}, {"response": 128, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan  2, 1997 (23:45)", "body": "I'll look into it Ted. Thanks."}, {"response": 129, "author": "tedchong", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (00:03)", "body": "Terry, if prismnet granted us usenet access, we can use tin to access the usenet news, but you have to do (at shell prompt): rm /etc/nntpserver ; echo news.prismnet.com > /etc/nntpserver so all of us can access the news. Hope it helps."}, {"response": 130, "author": "lilah", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (20:11)", "body": "It's just after 9 pm here in South Florida, and I'm recovering from a day at work that can best be described as, \"OK, folks, the holidays are over.\" Yikes. I'm an editor, learning a new city and looking for a new circle of friends. I just found the Spring yesterday -- not to mention the Austen group. I suspect I've found some kindred spirits."}, {"response": 131, "author": "Amy", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (20:45)", "body": "Where did you come from Lilah? What kind of editor?"}, {"response": 132, "author": "lilah", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (22:14)", "body": "Amy, I moved here from Hoboken, N J, where I lived for a number of years, working in Manhattan and New Jersey as a newspaper editor. I do the same thing here, for a group of small specialty papers."}, {"response": 133, "author": "geekman", "date": "Sun, Jan  5, 1997 (20:00)", "body": "Terry, you didn't say that this topic was in multiple Conferences! I just thought I'd visit the Cultures Conference and 'lo what did I see but this topis! Tch tch!"}, {"response": 134, "author": "Anna", "date": "Sun, Jan  5, 1997 (20:32)", "body": "]topic was in multiple Conferences! That's been apparent from the postings from \"strangers\" for some time. It's also in porch"}, {"response": 135, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan  6, 1997 (17:41)", "body": "When you do a listing of topics, it states that it's a \"linked topic\"."}, {"response": 136, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan  6, 1997 (20:29)", "body": "It also states \"linked item\" every time you read new stuff in it right at the top of the topic. On future \"linked topics\" I'll post a note that they are linked in the intro or in one of the responses to make this clear."}, {"response": 137, "author": "geekman", "date": "Tue, Jan  7, 1997 (04:09)", "body": "Thanks Terry! Will be much appreciated. From within the Austen Conference this time."}, {"response": 138, "author": "Amy", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (22:22)", "body": "_______________________________________________________ \"Why did the chicken cross the road?\" ----------------------------------------------------- Plato: For the greater good. Karl Marx: It was a historical inevitability. Thomas de Torquemada: Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I'll find out. Timothy Leary: Because that's the only kind of trip the Establishment would let it take. Douglas Adams: Forty-two. Nietzsche: Because if you gaze too long across the Road, the Road gazes also across you. Oliver North: National Security was at stake. Carl Jung: The confluence of events in the cultural gestalt necessitated that individual chickens cross roads at this historical juncture, and therefore synchronicitously brought such occurrences into being. Jean-Paul Sartre: In order to act in good faith and be true to itself, the chicken found it necessary to cross the road. Ludwig Wittgenstein: The possibility of \"crossing\" was encoded into the objects \"chicken\" and \"road,\" and circumstances came into being which caused the actualization of this potential occurrence. Albert Einstein: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. Aristotle: To actualize its potential. Buddha: If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken-nature. Salvador Dali: The Fish. Darwin: It was the logical next step after coming down from the trees. Emily Dickinson: Because it could not stop for death. Epicurus: For fun. Ralph Waldo Emerson: It didn't cross the road; it transcended it. Johann Friedrich von Goethe: The eternal hen-principle made it do it. Ernest Hemingway: To die. In the rain. Werner Heisenberg: We are not sure which side of the road the chicken was on, but it was moving very fast. David Hume: Out of custom and habit. Saddam Hussein: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. Jack Nicholson: 'cause it (censored) wanted to. That's the (censored) reason. Pyrrho the Skeptic: What road? Ronald Reagan: I forget. John Sununu: The Air Force was only too happy to provide the transportation, so quite understandably the chicken availed himself of the opportunity. The Sphinx: You tell me. Sappho: Due to the loveliness of the hen on the other side, more fair than all of Hellas' fine armies. Henry David Thoreau: To live deliberately ... and suck all the marrow out of life. Mark Twain: The news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated. Stephen Jay Gould: It is possible that there is a sociobiological explanation for it, but we have been deluged in recent years with sociobiological stories despite the fact that we have little direct evidence about the genetics of behavior, and we do not know how to obtain it for the specific behaviors that figure most prominently in sociobiological speculation. Joseph Stalin: I don't care. Catch it. Crack its eggs to make my omlette. Captain James T. Kirk: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. Machiavelli: So that its subjects will view it with admiration, as a chicken which has the daring and courage to boldly cross the road, but also with fear, for whom among them has the strength to contend with such a paragon of avian virtue? In such a manner is the princely chicken's dominion maintained. Hippocrates: Because of an excess of pleghm in its pancreas. Andersen Consultant: Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was threatening its dominant market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create and develop the competencies required for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model (PIM) Andersen helped the chicken use its skills, methodologies, knowledge capital and experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and technology in support of its overall strategy within a Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross-spectrum of road analysts and best chickens along with Andersen consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the implicit goals of delivering and successfully architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park like setting enabling and creating an impactful environment which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear, and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission, vision, and core values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total business integration solution. Andersen Consulting helped the chicken change to become more successful. Johnny Cochr"}, {"response": 139, "author": "Anna", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (23:18)", "body": "ROFLOL!!!"}, {"response": 140, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (23:52)", "body": "Anna: \"ROFLOL!!!\" Me Too!!! :-)"}, {"response": 141, "author": "churchh", "date": "Fri, Jan 10, 1997 (05:21)", "body": "There's a slightly different collection linked to from near the end of the Jane Austen jokes file at http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/austt10j.html ; this version includes a Pride and Prejudice version of the chicken joke..."}, {"response": 142, "author": "Mari", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (13:11)", "body": "Oh dear... Oh dear... I have to wipe my eyes now to resume my viewing."}, {"response": 143, "author": "Inko", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (13:21)", "body": "Another ROFLOL. With your permission, may I e-mail this to my children - they love these things and I usually get jokes from them."}, {"response": 144, "author": "Amy", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (13:27)", "body": "Oh, Inko. No permission required. I am on a list of one of those infamous net jokers. These things just get passed around. Usually the things she sends are stupid, but if I get an LOL from any of them as I did with this, I shall put them up."}, {"response": 145, "author": "Ann", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (16:50)", "body": "SAY CHEESE!!! WE ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL!!!"}, {"response": 146, "author": "kendall", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (17:07)", "body": "Ann - I am happy for you. and for all those barechested men in the stands the announcers kept talking about. what a way to call the rest of us sissies."}, {"response": 147, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (17:30)", "body": "There's joy in cheeshead land."}, {"response": 148, "author": "mrobens", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (18:30)", "body": "]There's joy in cheeshead land. Not to mention Beantown!"}, {"response": 149, "author": "Inko", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (19:18)", "body": "Congratulations Ann (Cheesehead) and Myretta (Beantowner) - it's nice to see some different teams in the Superbowl. Now - are you two going to have a bet on the outcome????;-)"}, {"response": 150, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (19:49)", "body": "Alright, the beaner and the cheeshead toe to toe."}, {"response": 151, "author": "candace", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (20:09)", "body": "Yummmm, does this mean that at all the Super Bowl parties -- Bean dip and Cheese Doritos will be served?"}, {"response": 152, "author": "Kali", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (20:40)", "body": "Woo-hoo, Ann...maybe it will help you forget last year ? ;)"}, {"response": 153, "author": "Kali", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (20:43)", "body": "BTW, people...only a month until catchers and pitchers report to Spring Training. Can't wait. Go Braves."}, {"response": 154, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (20:54)", "body": "PLEASE, Mrs. Bennet, no sports, I BEG you! :-("}, {"response": 155, "author": "Ann", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (22:09)", "body": "That's why I put it in the ramble topic, Joan. It is supposed to be for anything one might want to say. As for me, though I will be cheering for Green Bay, I have absolutely no faith in the team and fully expect them to choke."}, {"response": 156, "author": "Kali", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (00:26)", "body": "Ann, have a little faith! ;) --- Joan, sports can be a very welcome diversion from computers, I must say...I hope to be able to make at least one Giants-Braves series at the 'Stick (okay, 3-Com!) this year...anybody else out there like baseball? ANYBODY???!!!"}, {"response": 157, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (01:11)", "body": "Kali: anybody else out there like baseball? ANYBODY???!!! Kali, I'm a big Detroit Tigers fan, growing up in Michigan it was a part of my childhood training just like ice skating and mosquito slapping! I spent many happy days at Tiger Stadium as a child...can't believe they're going to tear down that beautiful o ld stadium! :-("}, {"response": 158, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (01:49)", "body": "I grew up a Cardinals fan. St. Louis. Busch Stadium. Joe Garagiola, Harry Carey, Jack Buck and Tim McCarver used to broadcast the games on KMOX."}, {"response": 159, "author": "Kali", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (03:13)", "body": "Harry Caray...sigh...I've grown up on Skip Caray... Yay for you guys...baseball lives! And yes, Cheryl...stadiumwrecking is a crying shame...I had the displeasure of seeing Comiskey in varying degrees of demolition whilst the new Comiskey was constructed...almost like the life was being sucked out of the old stadium and being pumped into the new..."}, {"response": 160, "author": "geekman", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (03:41)", "body": "Congratulations Ann or should I say Slart ? So your team is in the final. Well, the beleaguered Australian One Day Cricket Team has missed out on the World Series Cricket Finals for the first time in 17 years! And on top of that is the New South Wales Shield Team losing very badly to Western Australia , in their Sheffield Shield match at the Sydney Cricket Ground. Now let me tell yo all that when NSW Cricket is strong, Australia is strong! So come on NSW and Come On Aussie ! Oh, Cheryl , now if you would really like to see some venerable old grounds, come and see our grand stands at our Cricket Grounds!"}, {"response": 161, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (03:44)", "body": "I drove by some folks playing cricket in Austin the other day. Will you please start a cricket topic in the sports conference Ian?"}, {"response": 162, "author": "geekman", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (03:51)", "body": "If you'd like me too, Terry! BTW, what are you doing up at this hour?!? Now if you were in Australia... :-)"}, {"response": 163, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (04:42)", "body": "I had to come in to work early today because we're facing an ice storm and the company I work for is on a crash project and need everyone they can to be here. I'm not normally up at this hour. Have you seen that austen is the feature on the Spring's main page today? If I were in Australia I'd probably be warmer now."}, {"response": 164, "author": "Amy", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (07:47)", "body": "Another connection, Cheryl. I grew up as a Tiger fan too. Stormin' Norman Cash, Al Kaline (saw him hit a grand slam once), my mother's heartthrob, Rocky Colavito (sp?) And Terry, you lived in St. Louis? Me from 76-80. End of the Lou Brock days, hot muggy afternoons in left field. Attended the 7th game of the 80 world series."}, {"response": 165, "author": "Mari", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (12:40)", "body": "Kali, gang; live in Milwaukee, and my hubby was one of the many enjoying themselves at 1 degree above zero yesterday (although I hope, I very much hope, NOT one of the barechested ones! :) ) Anyway, baseball is my game; started as a Braves fan (yes, here in Milwaukee when I was just a sprig), have become a Brewers fan. I can enjoy any baseball game; when we vacation outside of Duluth in the summer we go to Duluth Dukes games; fabulous fun, e specially if the San Diego chicken is visiting."}, {"response": 166, "author": "yairl", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (14:19)", "body": "i've got to know how to make a good pizza any ideas????????"}, {"response": 167, "author": "Amy", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (14:51)", "body": "Must have a stone, Yair. That is the first thing -- unless you are doing deep disih. Amy Who Used to Live in Chicago"}, {"response": 168, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (15:27)", "body": "Amy: Another connection, Cheryl. I grew up as a Tiger fan too. Stormin' Norman Cash, Al Kaline (saw him hit a grand slam once), my mother's heartthrob, Rocky Colavito (sp?) Cool, Amy...I still look back on my 9th birthday as very special...I spent it with my Mom at Tiger Stadium watching a Twi-Night Double header against the hated Yankees...Tigers won both games, Al Kaline hit a homer in one, Mickey Lolich got a one-hitter i n the other and the Tigers went on to win the Series that year ('68,of course, not '84!) Can still sing the Tiger fight song I learned in 4th grade...\"Sock it to 'em Tigers, show 'em how to play...)"}, {"response": 169, "author": "Hilary", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (17:29)", "body": "Not 'Teach me tiger', Cheryl????"}, {"response": 170, "author": "Amy", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (17:36)", "body": "We're all behind our baseball team. Go get em tigers. Right? Go get em, Detroit Tigers. Go get em Tigers!"}, {"response": 171, "author": "Ann", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (19:14)", "body": "I like the Saint Paul Saints--Northern League team that put the fun back into going to see baseball games. They are a total hoot. (Daryl Strawberry slept here)"}, {"response": 172, "author": "lilah", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (19:44)", "body": "Terry, Amy -- St. Louis is my home town. I remember seeing Stan Musial play at old Sportsman's Park (I was a tiny child, OK?) There ARE no announcers to compare with Jack Buck and Harry Caray describing the game on a hot August night on KMOX -- \"this is t he Cardinal baseball network.\""}, {"response": 173, "author": "Kali", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (19:48)", "body": "Yay! More baseball fans! Wow, Mari...you're an even older Bravie than I am...I got hooked back in the eighties, when they still sucked...a great time to love baseball, b/c every game was personal. Fay Vincent was even threatening to review our status as an Atlanta team! I still have my Dale Murphy baseball card collection...over 300 cards, including his two rookie cards and one I got autographed. --- Good pizza? Zachary's stuffed is the best...they make their dough with beer and put the sauce on top and the toppings inside (go figure)...unfortunately, you can only get Zack's in Oakland and Berkeley...:("}, {"response": 174, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Mon, Jan 13, 1997 (23:14)", "body": "Talking, pizza : fav : thin crust with pesto, goat cheese, green and black olives, onions, prosciutto and walnuts. Other one is curried chicken pizza If you're in the vicinity of Montreal, go or order at Pizzedelic."}, {"response": 175, "author": "Meggin", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (08:27)", "body": "Another Braves fan here! The Murph was great, also BRUUUUCE Benedict and Jeff Treadway and Lonnie Smith (so what if he fell for the deke--they should have been able to get him home). Go Braves!!!"}, {"response": 176, "author": "Mari", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (16:16)", "body": "LLohr (lilah)''There ARE no announcers to compare with Jack Buck and Harry Caray describing the game on a hot August night on KMOX -- \"this is the Cardinal baseball network.\"'' Lilah, I beg to differ; there is nothing like driving home from your summer vacation and enjoying Bob Uecker announcing the Sunday afternoon Brewer's game...''Get up..Get up.. Get outta here....''"}, {"response": 177, "author": "lilah", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (18:10)", "body": "Mari, I'd just about settle for any announcer describing any game...are football and basketball seasons over yet???"}, {"response": 178, "author": "MaryC", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (22:06)", "body": "I grew up in Minnesota BEFORE the Twins and the Vikes, so am thrilled the 'Pack is Back'. Saw my first major league game in Tiger (then Briggs) Stadium because that's one of the things we always did when we visited our Detroit relatives. Great memories. .are they really going to tear that wonderful stadium down, can't believe it."}, {"response": 179, "author": "Amy", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (22:56)", "body": "Moved to collapse topics: Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (10:14) | Laura McCarthy ( LauraM ) Sorry, but I must do this. GO PATS!!!!!!! JAMBALYA YA JAMBALAYA YA.... Think of me doing a really stupid dance right now. 4 responses total."}, {"response": 1, "author": "Amy", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (10:22)", "body": "Good. Laura, I am happy for you. Thanks for sharing, dear. Sincerely. (But can we have a little talk about willynilly topic creation/)"}, {"response": 2, "author": "Mari", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (17:12)", "body": "Laura; go to the Ramble topic; we are having quite the sports dicussion over there; of course you'll have to excuse us Wisconsinites if we don't join in your cheer;))"}, {"response": 3, "author": "Ann", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (17:27)", "body": "Go Pack!!!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "Becks", "date": "Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (22:17)", "body": "Football in a JA bulletin board!!! Insupportable!!!!"}, {"response": 180, "author": "Kali", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (00:43)", "body": "Yep, Meggin...Lonnie Smith remains my all-time favorite left-fielder. And Bruce one of my favorite catchers...and Jeff Treadway my favorite second-baseman. BTW, I have one of Jeffy's broken bats...something only the biggest fan would want, considering h is relative obscurity! ;) Oh, and Jeff Blauser is also a god...because he's a Californian...;)"}, {"response": 181, "author": "Kali", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (00:45)", "body": "Oh, and Laura...I support your Patriot Victory Topic... :::) Solidarity among the sportsfans!"}, {"response": 182, "author": "McBruce", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (01:59)", "body": "Cheryl and Amy- how could you forget Denny Maclean? And not a bad piano player for a jock. What I remember best about Tiger stadium was the smell of the Wonder bread factory on the way in, cruising the Lodge with the windows down. And CKLW on the AM radio."}, {"response": 183, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (02:30)", "body": "Bruce: Cheryl and Amy- how could you forget Denny Maclean? Bruce! Another Michigander has come out of the closet! ;-) I have not forgot Dennt McClain, they could not have won the '68 Series without him! But it was Lolich who won the game I was describing. ;-) I hadn't thought of the Wonder Bread factory in ye ars! Thanks for the reminder! Fresh bread--what a wonderful smell!"}, {"response": 184, "author": "Anna", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (05:13)", "body": "Nice collapse Amy :-)"}, {"response": 185, "author": "Amy", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (06:12)", "body": "] forget Denny Maclean? __ Hey Bruce. Another link. Tigers and Bob Seger. Nice combo. Denny MaClean, the million dollar arm with the 10 cent attitude. re the Lodge: kid story about that another time. Where did you guys grow up? Me, in Mt. Pleasant, but I worked in Detroit for a couple of years right out of college (Central Michigan)"}, {"response": 186, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (06:41)", "body": "We have a Tiger Wood topic in sports by the way, the sports conference here."}, {"response": 187, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (06:46)", "body": "Did I say we had a sports topic here? I believe a Pats topic would be supportablee there, my dear."}, {"response": 188, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (06:49)", "body": "I meant of course, sports *conference*. Imagine, an entire conference devoted to sports and austenites are more than welcome to elucidate on any topic there."}, {"response": 189, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (11:39)", "body": "Amy: Where did you guys grow up? A Michigan Revival Meeting, eh? ;-) I grew up in Pontiac, a blue collar factory town, about 1/2 mile from the Fischer Body plant...walked many a picket line in my youth...;-)"}, {"response": 190, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (12:28)", "body": "Grew up in Albany, New York.............but left in 73'."}, {"response": 191, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (12:41)", "body": "And for the favorite pizza person........ i found that it you use the pilsbury pizza dough it is pretty good, brush it with olive oil and heat it up first with nothing on it for about 3 to 5 minutesR 350 DEGREES then add just all fresh ingrediants......fresh tomatoes, parley, basil, oregano, thyme and ground pepper (both red and black).....Crushed red pepper is ok if you cannot find whole to grind..... then chopped onions, green and red peppers, sliced mushrooms..... then add a fresh ground italian sausage or a good hard sliced peperoni cover with a mixture of cheeses 50% shredded mozzerella and the other 50% a mixture of romano, parmasian, provalone and white chedder return to oven until cheese is melted........"}, {"response": 192, "author": "yairl", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (18:55)", "body": "thanks tj but after having second thoughts about it i think i'll keep on letting dominos do the hard work. does anyone know anything about bangkok thailand i'm going to go there and i can realy use some guiding ."}, {"response": 193, "author": "Meggin", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (21:20)", "body": "Kali, send me a splinter sometime! :)"}, {"response": 194, "author": "Kali", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (21:58)", "body": "You got it, Meggin! :)"}, {"response": 195, "author": "Ann2", "date": "Thu, Jan 16, 1997 (15:06)", "body": "Boy am I an outsider here! Never seen a game of baseball or whatever you're talking of with such eagerness.( Small chance in Sweden .) Have copied and saved those two delicious sounding pizza variations, though. And thanks Hilary for Tiger memento..."}, {"response": 196, "author": "Kali", "date": "Thu, Jan 16, 1997 (15:42)", "body": "Come visit, Ann2, and we'll go to a game..."}, {"response": 197, "author": "candace", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (00:16)", "body": "It was thirty years ago that we all met. Five very silly fourteen year old girls. Together we practiced for womanhood. Clothes, make-up, and boys. Little did we know that what really prepared us for the future was the simple act of being together. We would talk deep into the night. Eating junk food and chocolate, sipping sodas. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our cheeks. We grew up together, the five of us. Transforming from girls to young women. We ran gaily then. Each of us, one by one meeting, falling in love, and marrying our soul-mates. Those years were filled with bridal showers, weddings, baby showers, and chil d-birth. After each milestone we would gather, talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and chocolate, sipping wine. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears. Always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our heeks. We went head-strong into our thirties. Each developing a new found independence and calmness which comes when you have finally begun to feel comfortable with yourself. Our careers were established, our children growing, and all five marriages still stro ng. We had all done our jobs well. It was no problem to leave our families for short periods of time. It was then that we began our \"Enchanted April\" weekends. Off to the mountains or the ocean. Talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and choc late, sipping wine. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears. Always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our cheeks. Our thirties began to come to a close. Each time that we would meet, we would sound like a Jane Austen novel -- \"How is your mother?\" \"How is your father?\" -- this would follow with tales of illnesses and hospitals. When or how our chain calls started, I don't really remember. It was a instinctive reaction designed so that the sufferer would not have to repeat their story more than once. One would call the other, each in turn. \"One of us is hurting\" we would tell the next until we made a complete cir le. Again, we would gather. Talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and chocolate, sipping wine. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears. Always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our cheeks. One by one our parents began to leave us. We held hands and our breath and tip-toed into our forties. We now gathered most often at our parent's funerals. Although our husbands tried to comfort us, it was the five of us that we would seek. Talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and cho colate, sipping wine. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears. Always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our cheeks. Just this week another mile-stone has occurred. One of us became a widow. How can this be? Up until this moment, we all still remained with our one and only husbands. How lucky we were -- how well we choose -- how smug we were -- how fearful we are. Did we never think that this type of tragedy would happen? All along the chain call, each one said the same thing, \"I am so scared. We now must face the facts. There will be a time when one by one we will start loosing each other.\" Tomarrow we will bury her husband. After the sevices, when everyone else leaves, we will remain. Talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and chocolate, sipping wine. Speaking of our hopes, dreams, and fears. We will start out quite serious and somehow end laughing. Funny how there will still be tears enough to run down our cheeks. Thank you for letting me ramble."}, {"response": 198, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (02:03)", "body": "Oh, Candace - that is absolutely beautiful. Now where is that box of tissue! Please do share this with your five-some, too."}, {"response": 199, "author": "TJ", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (09:52)", "body": "Candace..........THANKS"}, {"response": 200, "author": "Ann2", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (11:34)", "body": "Candace, it should really be the other way around....I thank you for letting me follow your rambling. I feel an ache in my throat and my eyes are a bit dim. This past autume my mother died and I miss her so. This life is ours to handle with care, and the way you and your friends do it together is just.... Oddly, I find it comforting that it is the same for us whoever or whereever... We must part from the one's we love. Better think of it now and then..."}, {"response": 201, "author": "elder", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (12:22)", "body": "Candace -- what a beautiful \"ramble\" on the blessings of friends. Our thoughts are with you and your friends as you pass another milestone. (And my prayers are with your one friend who is going through this painful time.) Thank you for wanting to share this w/ us."}, {"response": 202, "author": "Inko", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (16:09)", "body": "Thank you Candace for rambling and sharing so beautifully. When you think of the sadness, though, also consider the blessings of having five such good friends. It's so rare that friends can stay together through all the stages of their lives."}, {"response": 203, "author": "lilah", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (18:34)", "body": "Candace, that was moving, eloquent and beautiful. How lucky you are to have such friends to see each other through the inevitabilities of life. I lost my beloved father in August; watched my mom struggle with the transition into widowhood. That's when I saw the rituals and the resulting strength that a group of women friends give to each other, and that's when I realized I truly believe in a sisterhood. Thanks for sharing with us."}, {"response": 204, "author": "Meggin", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (22:28)", "body": "Candace, my father died last week. The first person I really talked to about it was my best friend--her father died 18 months ago. We've been best buddy's since jr. high--a long time ago. Yet she still knows me better than anyone else, despite the fact that we now live miles apart. How lucky you are to have a group of friends to help support each other in time of need. No one else could make me laugh last week, but my friend Kathy could. That is what best friends are for."}, {"response": 205, "author": "Kali", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (23:33)", "body": "Everyone, I hate to break the sisterly mood created by Candace's lovely ramble, but it was recently revealed that our own Saman just got into medical school! Congratulations..."}, {"response": 206, "author": "Amy", "date": "Fri, Jan 17, 1997 (23:50)", "body": "Meggin, I am so sorry. Yours and Candace's story make me even more thankful my own mother is better all the time -- just learned two days ago that a heart oblation procedure done a few weeks ago had been successful even though at the time the doctors pron ounced it a failure. S'man, I am very very happy for you. I know how much you wanted this. You deserve it."}, {"response": 207, "author": "kendall", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (11:52)", "body": "\"...our own Saman just got into medical school! Congratulations... \" WOW This is so exciting - where will you do to school!!"}, {"response": 208, "author": "Becks", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (12:42)", "body": "Way to go Saman!! I'm so sorry. Margaret."}, {"response": 209, "author": "Inko", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (14:07)", "body": "My sympathies, Margaret, and all others who have recently lost family members or friends. It's a difficult time, I know, when good friends are invaluable. Congratulations, Saman! Does this mean we'll now have an \"ER\" topic here??"}, {"response": 210, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (16:51)", "body": "Candace, that is one of the most eloquent, touching ramblings I have experienced. I have a photo in my family album of a group of women I know who match this description very closely. I miss having a similar relationship in my own life and it is touching to hear about it in anothers life. That's the photo on the left of the women I spoke, that's Ann Evans the bride, ex-mayor of Davis California who married a delightful Englishman named David. They are still living in Davis, CA as far as a I know. These women all grew up together. I'm very glad our week long task to put out the new Webstalker has been completed and the product is now being shipped out to reviewers and beta testers. This is the first free moment I've had in well over a week. I'm hoping to get together with the Unix team and the folks who inhabit this community today and tomorrow before I go back to the intense development effort I'm involved in right now. I'm sitting in my office/master bedroom in Cedar Creek looking out over the woods and pastures, feeling good. I've got the Wide World of Sports Ice Skating on the tube, this is one of the most esthetic and relaxing sports to watch. (more about this in a future ice skating topic in the sports conference). Ekaterina Gordeeva is skating now, what a fine skater."}, {"response": 211, "author": "Anna", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (17:24)", "body": "Margaret, please accept my sympathy. ] it was recently revealed that our own Saman just got into medical school! That's great Saman, will you be starting this year? You must be really busy as well as please. I hope you'll still be able to join us occaisionally if y ou have to relocate. Amy, I'm really glad to hear your mother is improving."}, {"response": 212, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (17:53)", "body": "Happy birthday Kathleen Elder!"}, {"response": 213, "author": "lilah", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (19:24)", "body": "Margaret, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family."}, {"response": 214, "author": "kendall", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (19:45)", "body": "Margaret - I am very sorry you lost your father. Hope you and the rest of your family ware getting through this."}, {"response": 215, "author": "candace", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (21:17)", "body": "Thank you to everyone for the responses to my essay. In truth, what I really thank you for is this wonderful forum and all my wonderful cyber friends. This was truly the best therapy. To Margaret -- I am so sorry for your loss. I lost my own father five years ago. I know exactly what you feel. Peace be with you all."}, {"response": 216, "author": "Meggin", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (21:26)", "body": "Thanks to all for the expressions of sympathy. You have touched my heart."}, {"response": 217, "author": "Mixu", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 1997 (08:22)", "body": "Margaret, otan osaa, as they say here in Finland. It could roughly be translated as \"I take a piece of your sorrow and carry it with me\", and means that I am very, very sorry about your father. Keep on smiling, though. Despite many things the world still is a beautiful place."}, {"response": 218, "author": "Amy", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 1997 (09:21)", "body": "otan osaa __ That is lovely Mixu"}, {"response": 219, "author": "MaryC", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 1997 (19:31)", "body": "Terry, figure skating ranks right along with P&P on my list of things I really enjoy. Saturday the 'Stars on Ice' were in town and a group of 8 of us went to dinner and the show. The evening flew by and it is difficult to pick out the best, but Ecaterina's numbers were very special. Torvil and Dean were an awesome presence in the show. Hope some of the other contributors to this board have the opportunity to see this wonderful production. And thanks to you Terry for providing this great home for all f us."}, {"response": 220, "author": "MaryC", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 1997 (19:32)", "body": "Terry, figure skating ranks right along with P&P on my list of things I really enjoy. Saturday the 'Stars on Ice' were in town and a group of 8 of us went to dinner and the show. The evening flew by and it is difficult to pick out the best, but Ecaterina's numbers were very special. Torvil and Dean were an awesome presence in the show. Hope some of the other contributors to this board have the opportunity to see this wonderful production. And thanks to you Terry for providing this great home for all f us."}, {"response": 221, "author": "MaryC", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 1997 (19:32)", "body": "Oops, sorry for the extra post."}, {"response": 222, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 1997 (21:52)", "body": "I would kill (well almost) to see Torvil and Dean in person!"}, {"response": 223, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Wed, Jan 22, 1997 (23:47)", "body": "Candace, let me tell you how very deeply touched I was by your \"ramble\", frienship, family and the act of sharing is at the core of the soul. Margaret, accept these thoughts of peace. Loosing someone close, whether one who's life as been a long fulfilled road or, has we experienced last week, loosing a little one who had so much to experience, is never easy. Let us rejoyce in the happiness of their newfound home/salvation. Amy, all my wishes of health for your mother."}, {"response": 224, "author": "Mixu", "date": "Thu, Jan 23, 1997 (08:03)", "body": "Amy, I am glad you liked the expression. I think the reason why we have \"otan osaa\" is because if we said \"Olen pahoillani\" (meaning \"I am sorry\") it would mean that I did the thing I am sorry for. Anyway, I like \"otan osaa\" myself. It even sounds nice. I just happen to love Finnish, and feel myself very fortunate that I have it as a 1st language."}, {"response": 225, "author": "Meggin", "date": "Thu, Jan 23, 1997 (12:25)", "body": "Mixu, I greatlly appreciate the kind sentiment expressed by \"otan osaa\". All of the words of sympathy expressed for me and my family have meant more to me than I could ever have believed possible. You all don't know me and you didn't know my father, yet so many of you have made such an effort to let me know that you care. I am overwhelmed by all of this. Johanne, you write of losing a little one. How terrible. My father was old and sick and in pain and I take a great deal of comfort in the thought that he is in a better place, having lived a full life with many joys. Johanne, my heart aches for you."}, {"response": 226, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Thu, Jan 23, 1997 (16:16)", "body": "Just to make things clear, I personnaly did not loose my child this past week, heaven forbid, I would'nt be able to be here at all, wondering if I would have any sanity left in such a short time. But my dear friend did loose her very soon expected baby and having lost one myself a couple of years ago, it stirred up memories. So close to the miracle of life but taken away a nano-second before. No choice but to confort ourselves with beliefs of a better place for them and the faith in a destiny much bigger than our mere comprehension may aloud. Thanks."}, {"response": 227, "author": "Amy", "date": "Thu, Jan 23, 1997 (16:24)", "body": "Most people have no idea how much of a loss a miscarriage can be -- at any stage."}, {"response": 228, "author": "Ann", "date": "Sat, Jan 25, 1997 (10:06)", "body": "Most people also do not realise that 25-33% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. With such I high number, it should be more widely known."}, {"response": 229, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Sat, Jan 25, 1997 (15:51)", "body": "AN ANNOUNCEMENT I have, this day, taken down all my Christmas decorations!!! *Applause* (Thank you, thank you very much! Now I just have to get it carried out to the garage!)"}, {"response": 230, "author": "Ann2", "date": "Sat, Jan 25, 1997 (16:23)", "body": "That is very good ,Cheryl . I have still the tree as it is so fresh and smells so good; I have not had the heart to throw it away. But I took away the last x-mas cloth the other day and have only kept one electric candlestick in the kitchen-window to brighten our dark and early mornings in January."}, {"response": 231, "author": "elder", "date": "Sat, Jan 25, 1997 (23:56)", "body": "Cheryl & Ann2 -- with both of your messages blinking at the same speed, I began to feel that Christmas was still here! To any interested viewers of CF movies: I recently loaned my copy of \"Dutch Girls\" to Mari. If you are interested in viewing it, let me know via email (kelder@miworld.net for home or k_elder@fre.fsu.umd.edu for work). I can ask Mari to send it to you when she has finished watching it. As long as I get it back sometime, I would be happy to share."}, {"response": 232, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (02:36)", "body": "ANTI-SUPER BOWL PARTY Grace and I were talking at Pemberley today, bemoaning a full day of the Football Fan's High Holy Day, when we decided that we should hold our own party at Pemberley! The madness, I mean game begins at 6pm EST, but the Pregame crap, I mean festivities start hours and hours before that. So the official party shall begin at 4pm EST, earlier if you cannot stand anymore of John Madden! ;-) Y'all come!"}, {"response": 233, "author": "Donna", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (09:13)", "body": "Who in your opinion was worse Dandy Don,Howard or John Madden?"}, {"response": 234, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (09:19)", "body": "Wow, Super Sunday is here. And we have cheeseheads and anti-Superbowl partyin'. Are you going to have your own anti-Superbowl half time show with entertainment?"}, {"response": 235, "author": "Amy", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (09:19)", "body": "If you are not watching but only hearing the noise, Madden's yelling is really grating. But! I don't have a football husband anymore. Yay!!!!!!!!"}, {"response": 236, "author": "Amy", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (09:20)", "body": "Hey, Terry, we posted at the same time. Are you a football fan? If you have time, would you look in deeper?"}, {"response": 237, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (09:21)", "body": "Madden's comments on the web are naive and comical. \"How do you dot com something?\""}, {"response": 238, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (09:22)", "body": "Amy throws a pass and Terry goes deep..."}, {"response": 239, "author": "Amy", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (09:32)", "body": "What?"}, {"response": 240, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (16:15)", "body": "Missed signal. Let's try that play again."}, {"response": 241, "author": "Grace", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (16:29)", "body": "Cheryl, I am here. Where are you?? Your thoughts (in chat yesterday)about Darcy as a quarterback have sparked my interest in the game, football...that is. But remember...if you get to be the team masseuse, I get to do the locker room interviews, up close and oh so personal. One more thing.....about those whirlpool tubs for the athletes...are you sure they accommodate two comfortably???"}, {"response": 242, "author": "Grace", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (16:32)", "body": "Cheryl, I am here. Where are you?? Your thoughts (in chat yesterday)about Darcy as a quarterback have sparked my interest in the game, football...that is. But remember...if you get to be the team masseuse, I get to do the locker room interviews, up close and oh so personal. One more thing.....about those whirlpool tubs for the athletes...are you sure they accommodate two comfortably???"}, {"response": 243, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 1997 (18:00)", "body": "Grace: One more thing.....about those whirlpool tubs for the athletes...are you sure they accommodate two comfortably??? Some things are worth a little discomfort! ;-) (and I'm at Pemberley now...where are you, dearie?)"}, {"response": 244, "author": "Ann2", "date": "Mon, Jan 27, 1997 (01:20)", "body": "Sorry, I missed that party,Cheryl and Grace. But from what I hear it was not totally without sports, eyh eyh, nudge,wink?"}, {"response": 245, "author": "Grace", "date": "Mon, Jan 27, 1997 (09:03)", "body": "Ann, Mostly we made sport of the Neanderthals sitting in front of the tube whooping and hollering over such a stupid game. You'll be pleased to know that after much discussion, we also did reach some consensus about those Lycra pants the gentlemen wear on the gridiron. Should have been there!"}, {"response": 246, "author": "Amy", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (00:37)", "body": "Congratulations, Kali! On receiving her first law school acceptance letter But we never had any doubt."}, {"response": 247, "author": "Kali", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (01:04)", "body": "Thank you, Amy dearest, for your encouragement and optimism. You're great! :)"}, {"response": 248, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (01:23)", "body": "Brava Kali"}, {"response": 249, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (02:05)", "body": "tHip Hip Hooray! (Which school was it?)"}, {"response": 250, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (02:06)", "body": "Hip Hip Hooray! (Which school was it?)"}, {"response": 251, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (02:06)", "body": "Hey! I did not post that twice - though it does bear repeating. ;-)"}, {"response": 252, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (02:20)", "body": "I have only one thing to say to you, my dearest niece... YAHOOOOOO!!!!"}, {"response": 253, "author": "Kali", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (02:48)", "body": "THanks guys! It was Georgetown, Joan...:)"}, {"response": 254, "author": "mrobens", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (07:19)", "body": "But, of course, I'm not at all surprised. Congratulations daughter."}, {"response": 255, "author": "Ann2", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (12:59)", "body": "Was it not Mr Bingley who found it amazing that young ladies can have patience to be so very accomplished?! And in our midst are several very accomplished, who also posess a certain something in their air, their adress and expressions. They study law, go to medical school and I know not what! Good luck, Kali! (Just saw you in Best of chat!)And Saman too!"}, {"response": 256, "author": "elder", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (13:14)", "body": "Congrats, Kali -- and may you receive many more happy responses! I hope you have a large field of choices (although Georgetown is certainly not too shabby)."}, {"response": 257, "author": "Mari", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (13:15)", "body": "Kali, Saman; go to it, girls!"}, {"response": 258, "author": "Amy", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (13:41)", "body": "Isn't this great? We are all so proud, like a bunch of mother hens. It is sweet."}, {"response": 259, "author": "Inko", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (15:37)", "body": "CONGRATULATIONS Kali -- Georgetown is really great. Starting with the cream of the crop!! Congratulations also to Saman. What a bright bunch we have here - nice to know the next generation is in good hands!!;-)"}, {"response": 260, "author": "kendall", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (16:13)", "body": "Georgetown!! Great. congratulations, Kali"}, {"response": 261, "author": "alix", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (17:57)", "body": "Congrats, Kali! I'm a UGA person, myself, but Georgetown is an awsome school. Just one question, what is a Hoya, exactly? I've heard so many things from people who go to Harrison High School as to what it is, but those Harrison people usually have problems with that whole collective reasoning/agreement thing! Sorry to those that I've offended, but at least McEachern can agree on their mascot. One more question, has anyone noticed that allmost all Latin teachers are either nutty absent minded professor types, or grandmothers-from-hell? Just a thought."}, {"response": 262, "author": "Kali", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (18:59)", "body": "Latin teachers? Our Latin teacher in high school was a messy genius type. Here at Cal, Professor Knapp is very normal. He's married, with kids, and very nice. so, you're a Dawg (woof woof woof!), Laura? Oh...and a hoya is actually a retaining wall (selected by students long, long, ago...). It has nothing to do with the bulldog that the athletic department took on as a mascot. --- Thank you for your interest and encouragement, guys...you're great!!!"}, {"response": 263, "author": "Ann", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (19:24)", "body": "A hoya is a certain way of throwing a frisbee: Hold the frisbee with your first and second fingers on the inside with the second finger along the inside of the rim, place your thumb on the top of the frisbee, then hold the frisbee in a vertical position (perpendicular to the ground) over your shoulder, then in a motion similar to a baseball throw throw the frisbee with strength and with a flick of the wrist high into the air. The frisbee will then invert and float upside-down back to the earth--that is a oya!"}, {"response": 264, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (20:19)", "body": "A hoya is an ornamental plant that grows well in hanging baskets and has tiny star-shaped flowers."}, {"response": 265, "author": "Susan", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (21:55)", "body": "Kali, I haven't been on here long, but want to say Congrats! Georgetown is pretty cool . . . and you must be pretty smart! But then we already knew that. Enjoyed seeing your picture."}, {"response": 266, "author": "Kali", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (22:15)", "body": "Thank you, Susan! Glad you liked the pic. Ann, Joan, I had no idea that a \"hoya\" was so many things! The Hoya Laura was refering to is the official Georgetown \"mascot\"...which is not a dog, but a retaining wall. I know not why that was chosen by early Georgetown students."}, {"response": 267, "author": "Amy", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (00:08)", "body": "WOW OF THE DAY! Henry's Jane Austen Info site was featured Monday on CNN Interactive: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9701/27/on.the.net/austen/ You know what I think is neat? That sometimes, once in a while, good content is discovered and recognized on its own merit. Nice job, Henry. You deserve the recognition."}, {"response": 268, "author": "Kali", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (03:29)", "body": "Woo-hoo, H..."}, {"response": 269, "author": "elder", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (07:09)", "body": "That CNN write up is \"mah-ve-lous\" !!! Good work HC -- who's your publicist? ; )"}, {"response": 270, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (11:55)", "body": "Congratulations Kali.......i did not notice but were you one of the non fans for football.......(I guess i could read back a bit and find out).........but to many of us out here Georgetown is to Basketball what Notre Dame is to Football.....hope you like b-ball........not just the fact they are two great catholic colleges......... Also has anyone tried to make either of the pizza's yet...........been curious to find out if you liked it"}, {"response": 271, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (13:14)", "body": "Cool, HC! ;-)"}, {"response": 272, "author": "Kali", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (14:30)", "body": "THank you, TJ...I like football alright, i guess...basketball even less...but then again, I don't go to school for the athletic departments! ;)"}, {"response": 273, "author": "Inko", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (16:51)", "body": "Congratulations! HC. That's great publicity and a really nice write-up. IMHO You deserve all the accolades you can accumulate for your pages!"}, {"response": 274, "author": "Inko", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (16:52)", "body": "Congratulations! HC. That's great publicity and a really nice write-up. IMHO You deserve all the accolades you can accumulate for your pages!"}, {"response": 275, "author": "Kali", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (21:40)", "body": "Inko is obviously very excited! :)"}, {"response": 276, "author": "Mixu", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (03:57)", "body": "Congratulations , Kali! (This is the 1st time I use blink... Take a deep breath and embrace yourself, because you deserve it (hug yourself for me, too!). Save the strength to be used later. I'll try to convince a tonttu (Finnish elf, a guardian spirit of places etc.) to follow you... If you think something invisible is living at your flat, just \"forget\" some food on the table - the tonttu loves it!"}, {"response": 277, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (08:53)", "body": "Hip Hip Hourra Henri If not for your webpages I probably would'nt be here, million thanks and **smoosh**"}, {"response": 278, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (10:07)", "body": "Johanne: million thanks and **smoosh** Johanne dear, is this the French equivelent of a *samooch*? ;-)"}, {"response": 279, "author": "Amy", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (10:11)", "body": "] Johanne: million thanks and **smoosh** Johanne dear, is this the French equivelent of a *samooch*? ;-) __ Wouldn't that be \"Mmmwwwa!\""}, {"response": 280, "author": "churchh", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (10:15)", "body": "If so, I think it should be spelled \"smouche\""}, {"response": 281, "author": "Amy", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (11:02)", "body": "Okay, then I guess my \"Mmmwwwa\" would have to be MMMMMMMMoi!"}, {"response": 282, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (11:48)", "body": "Mmouah, Mmouah, Mmouah Amy, I like it very much. Mmouah Henri, and when kissed dearest, something else than the spelling should occupy your thoughts ;) Kissing Fest"}, {"response": 283, "author": "Amy", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (11:51)", "body": "Well, I think kissing is a fine topic for this place. I'd not be ashamed to have either Ayelet's mom or mine read about it. We start moving the schwinging today."}, {"response": 284, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Thu, Jan 30, 1997 (13:06)", "body": "We're moving the Schwinging?"}, {"response": 285, "author": "Kali", "date": "Fri, Jan 31, 1997 (02:08)", "body": "I'm laughing my a** off as I type!"}, {"response": 286, "author": "candace", "date": "Fri, Jan 31, 1997 (21:31)", "body": "Kali -- A big Congrats!! Oh the places you'll go!!!"}, {"response": 287, "author": "Kali", "date": "Sat, Feb  1, 1997 (03:43)", "body": "Thank you, dear Candace and Mixu..."}, {"response": 288, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Sat, Feb  1, 1997 (10:22)", "body": "What a find :"}, {"response": 289, "author": "Donna", "date": "Sat, Feb  1, 1997 (11:02)", "body": "Congratulations, Kali"}, {"response": 290, "author": "Ann2", "date": "Sat, Feb  1, 1997 (11:39)", "body": "Congratulations to HC on Great CNN presentation ! By the way you must have been doing lots of work on that site this autumn if I remember correctly. I visited and used bibliographies before I found old P&P2 board, in September. Were the colours there then?. Looks nice and inviting."}, {"response": 291, "author": "del", "date": "Mon, Feb  3, 1997 (17:15)", "body": "Relationship No ship, please. Not now. I haven't a captain nor a first mate \ufffd never mind a crew\ufffd It would take all my courage to try a relation inner tube. How about a relation floatie? Frozen margaritas in the pool some sultry summer night? Relation = Relative = Relativity = Energy = ME scared. Time flies when I'm fleeing fun. Marybeth Gradziel June 19, 1995 Reproduction We women need not be alone for long. We can grow friends. Find the right seed. Care for the sprout. and Enjoy the fruit of our labor. Marybeth Gradziel August 22, 1995 Dream Thought I understood it all one night. How men looking for women get mixed up, and flit from one to another \ufffd always looking for more. If only they knew\ufffd Inside every woman is an infinite number of other women just waiting for true love, trust and acceptance, to come out and love the man in an infinite number of womanly ways. Marybeth Gradziel August 24, 1995"}, {"response": 292, "author": "mich", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (16:26)", "body": "Very nice Doug,thanks for sharing"}, {"response": 293, "author": "Amy", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (19:51)", "body": "OJ verdict is in, not read. I have this terrible feeling something awful is going to happen."}, {"response": 294, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (20:12)", "body": "I wish the media would stop making such a big deal of this. They are now saying that they will delay the President's state of the union address to wait for the reading of the verdict. Where are our priorities, for heaven sake???"}, {"response": 295, "author": "elder", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (20:24)", "body": "I agree, Joan too. I was going to shut off the tv when I heard that there was this conflict about what to cover! (However, the snow/ice storm here cut off the cable before I could get to the remote. :-)) It is delightful to come to this civilized oasis, but I had intended to pay some attention to the President's address. Oh well, maybe I'll be a more informed citizen tomorrow."}, {"response": 296, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (20:25)", "body": "At least ABC is going ahead with the President's address as planned. I plan to compliment them excessively!"}, {"response": 297, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (21:26)", "body": "This is really scarry"}, {"response": 298, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (21:27)", "body": "This is really scarry but on the other hand there's a lot of parodies outthere"}, {"response": 299, "author": "churchh", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (21:39)", "body": "My TV is broken, so I'm listening over NPR -- they haven't broken into the speech to announce the OJ verdict yet ;-)"}, {"response": 300, "author": "churchh", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (21:41)", "body": "Last message outdated -- State of Union solid but unmemorable... OJ verdict: GUILTY!!"}, {"response": 301, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (21:45)", "body": "The ultimate victory! ABC showed the President's entire speech - and then was still able to tune in to the trial just in time to get the verdict live . HA HA HA! Take that CBS and NBC!"}, {"response": 302, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (21:49)", "body": "I'm speechless....."}, {"response": 303, "author": "Inko", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (22:15)", "body": "I stayed on ABC all evening, and never realized that CBS and NBC were not on the President's speech. My feelings about the evening - what else is new???"}, {"response": 304, "author": "Inko", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (22:15)", "body": "I stayed on ABC all evening, and never realized that CBS and NBC were not on the President's speech. My feelings about the evening - what else is new??? Sorry, I'm feeling cynical!!;-)"}, {"response": 305, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Tue, Feb  4, 1997 (23:45)", "body": "I'm speechless....."}, {"response": 306, "author": "Ann", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (00:21)", "body": "Clinton has an excellent sense of timing. He finished exactly as the verdict came in. Now that's a great politician!"}, {"response": 307, "author": "Kali", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (03:56)", "body": "He's a slick one, he is...;)"}, {"response": 308, "author": "Adi", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (14:22)", "body": "I'm in such a terrible mood, I had to share it with you: yesterday 73 Israeli soldiers were killed when 2 helicopters collided. Seventy-three young men! the majority of them were just twenty years old. they were just born and now they are dead... I know at least 2 of them (there are still 20 more names not published), and the feeling is awful. If they were killed because of the war in Lebanon - I could at least understand it, but they died because of a stupid mistake, and it was a horrible death (there was ammunition on the helicopters, and it caused fire and explosions when it crashed on the ground). everyone here are so sad. almost everyone knew someone that died. I wish things like that will never happen again to anyone in any place."}, {"response": 309, "author": "Kali", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (14:28)", "body": "That's awful, Adi. Even if they had died in actual battle, would it have been worth it? I doubt it. Most wars today are such ego-vehicles that I have trouble justifying them. And I've always considered myself a hawk."}, {"response": 310, "author": "Inko", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (16:15)", "body": "Deepest sympathy, Adi. It is always bad whenever young people have to die, but in such a horrible crash it seems even worse. Also agree with Kali, death in battle or in a war would not have made it worth it--but then I'm a dove!! I hate all wars and can see no logical reasons for them."}, {"response": 311, "author": "Anne3", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (16:18)", "body": "Adi, I'm terribly sorry. If the helicopters were as explosive as you say, it's likely that they at least died instantly. I hope that's some comfort."}, {"response": 312, "author": "Adi", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (16:42)", "body": "Kali, of course it's not worth it, those lives are so precious. those boys should not die, period. but sometimes you just can't help it - our men soldiers don't \"play\" in war, they are defending our northern border from terrorist attacks and from missiles. so it's understandable to die while you are defending your love ones and practically giving them life. I can assure you that in this case no ego is involved. what's killing me is that those soldiers were the top of the top of the youth in Israel: they were fighters in their way to their missions in Lebanon. they weren't just \"Jobnicks\" [=this is the name to describe the men soldiers who do office jobs like clerks]. they were already risking their life in their jobs protecting the rest of us, so they should have a better destiny than they had..."}, {"response": 313, "author": "Amy", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (18:22)", "body": "Adi, I can't even begin to imagine how you must feel. But I am so sorry."}, {"response": 314, "author": "kendall", "date": "Wed, Feb  5, 1997 (21:29)", "body": "Adi - I am so sorry. You are bringing the 'other side of the world' closer to all of us."}, {"response": 315, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Thu, Feb  6, 1997 (10:49)", "body": "Let me had my voice to Inko, Amy and all us in share this pain. We're thinking of you and all who is hurting."}, {"response": 316, "author": "lasalle", "date": "Thu, Feb  6, 1997 (11:26)", "body": "Let me add my sorrow, Adi. Life can be so unfair--the Israeli people have suffered so long; the endless war and persecution. So many Israeli youth gone in past mideast wars. Now, even technology revolts against them. And Israel the only real democratic state in the mideast. The older I get, the more I think the universe was somehow wrongly put together."}, {"response": 317, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Thu, Feb  6, 1997 (11:34)", "body": "Too many have Carl, Israely and not, whether the're made knowns to us or kept in the back of the medias priorities. Too many innocent victims, especially children."}, {"response": 318, "author": "Adi", "date": "Thu, Feb  6, 1997 (17:50)", "body": "Thank you all for your kind words. Carl, I never thought about it like that but I guess you're right: the universe was wrongly put together. God probably made a mistake when he placed Israel in the middle east. this was another horrible day. most of the funerals took place today. On the radio and T.V there were just quiet and sad songs, and between them - stories about the lives of all the dead soldiers, talks with their families and friends, talks with politicians and basically anything that could make you cry endlessly. I can't take it anymore. I wish this week will be over already."}, {"response": 319, "author": "Kaffeine", "date": "Thu, Feb  6, 1997 (22:48)", "body": "I just had to stop by before I head to bed to recommend a show I just saw. If \"Riverdance - The Show\" comes to your town, RUN to get tickets! I don't think I've ever had two hours in the theatre pass so fast! I'm not even sure how to explain it to you...its main focus is traditional Irish dance, but there's Russian, Spanish, and American dances as well. The energy level is just phenomenal. Also, in the program there was an ad for \"Tap Dogs\" which will be in town in a couple of weeks. Am I right in remembering that this show was highly recommended here?"}, {"response": 320, "author": "Anna", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (04:03)", "body": "] \"Tap Dogs\" ... was highly recommended here? mmmmnnnnhhhhh! all male, more 'modern' than Riverdance (at least the shows I saw) but definitely worth a look..."}, {"response": 321, "author": "Donna", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (09:00)", "body": "Kathleen, I have seen these ads for \"Riverdance\" but I think it is to purchase the video. What area are you in? I don't think they are coming here."}, {"response": 322, "author": "Ann", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (15:56)", "body": "MY CAR JUST GOT STOLEN!!!!!"}, {"response": 323, "author": "JohanneD", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (16:01)", "body": "So sorry Ann, hope nothing too valuable in it !"}, {"response": 324, "author": "Anne3", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (16:09)", "body": "Oh, Ann, I'm sorry."}, {"response": 325, "author": "Inko", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (16:12)", "body": "That terrible. I'm so sorry Ann."}, {"response": 326, "author": "Amy", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (16:19)", "body": "That's awful, Ann. What a horrible annoyance x 50 plus disgust and inconvenience and I can't even think what else. Yuck."}, {"response": 327, "author": "elder", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (16:28)", "body": "Oh, Ann, how awful. And it makes you feel so angry, helpless, violated -- a truly rotten experience. Were you at work or home when it happened? I hope you are OK."}, {"response": 328, "author": "Mari", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (17:25)", "body": "Ann, so very aggravating! Ok in body, if not spirit, I hope."}, {"response": 329, "author": "Kaffeine", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (17:28)", "body": "Ann - That's terrible! Its one of those things that's hard to grasp - you know where you parked it and it takes a minute to register that it's really not there. Donna - I'm in the Detroit area. I don't know where its headed next, but hopefully it will end up near you soon. Anna - I think I'm going to check it out (Tap Dogs). :)"}, {"response": 330, "author": "Ann", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (19:03)", "body": "My car was parked in the lot in front of my apartment building and was probably stolen sometime last night. The cops were hopeful that they would be able to find it, but I doubt it. This is actually the second car that I've had stolen. The first one was stolen from my brother at gunpoint. The cops eventually recovered that one and the thief got 4 years in jail. Now I've lost another one. It is a pain in the neck to be carless. At least the weather won't be too bad for the next few days, so walking won't b too bad. Thanks for your messages."}, {"response": 331, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (19:39)", "body": "That's really bad news Ann. I hope you were covered and you get some new wheels soon. What kind of car was it?"}, {"response": 332, "author": "Ann", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (19:50)", "body": "1989 Jeep Cherokee Limited Edition with tinted windows and leather seats! I inherited it from my parents when they bought a Land Rover. It is a very popular car among thieves, but is getting on in years. I don't think there is any chance that I will be able to replace it with a comperable vehicle."}, {"response": 333, "author": "Donna", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (20:14)", "body": "Very sad indeed Ann. I do hope you get it back."}, {"response": 334, "author": "jwinsor", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (20:19)", "body": "Ann, what a bummer!"}, {"response": 335, "author": "Susan", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (22:20)", "body": "Ann, I'm somewhat new here -- where do you live? I'm so sorry to hear about your rig; Jeep Cherokees are cool. You have a good attitude about it, though. Hang in there and keep your chin up."}, {"response": 336, "author": "Ann", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (22:37)", "body": "I live in Minneapolis, not the best place to be carless in the middle of winter. I figure that there is nothing I can do about it. It's just going to be a pain in the butt to get it replaced!"}, {"response": 337, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Feb  7, 1997 (23:14)", "body": "I lived and worked in Mpls without a car for about a year. I worked as a city planner till I left there in a schoolbus that I recycled into an \"rv\". Bought it from the Owatonna School district. But that was then. In today's world, getting around in a good car is more of a necessity. I really liked the town, I met some very good people there."}, {"response": 338, "author": "Susan", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (00:07)", "body": "Will be sending good thoughts your way, Ann. Keep thinking positive. Hope this next week brings better things."}, {"response": 339, "author": "Kali", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (03:44)", "body": "Suck."}, {"response": 340, "author": "Ann", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (14:05)", "body": "Good news : THEY FOUND MY CAR!!! I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know how much damage was done. I know they broke a window and had to damage the ignition to start it. Thanks to everybody for your support, I'm sure it showed up so quickly because I had so many people thinking about it across the world. Thanks to all!"}, {"response": 341, "author": "Ann", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (14:06)", "body": "I didn't realise that yapp takes the word news and makes it into a link!!!"}, {"response": 342, "author": "elder", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (14:28)", "body": "Ann, that's terrific. I hope you can get your car fixed and functional really soon. Glad you didn't have to wait too long to find out about it, either."}, {"response": 343, "author": "Susan", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (15:41)", "body": "Ann, it's wonderful!!! You did get lots of instant support, and I'm sure it helped."}, {"response": 344, "author": "Becks", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (16:38)", "body": "Hope everything works out, Ann!"}, {"response": 345, "author": "Amy", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (16:45)", "body": "Gee, maybe we should start charging -- strangers, that is -- for this psychic service. Woman power. Be afraid. (Hil, did you start that \"be very afraid\" stuff?\") Very glad to hear it, Ann."}, {"response": 346, "author": "Inko", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (19:27)", "body": "Ann, So glad they found your car. Hope it'll be driveable soon!! There is a terrific review of P&P2 in today's NY Times by Christoper Lehmann-Haupt, a book reviewer. He compares P&P2 to the book and likes it very well indeed, better than any other Austen adaptation. Link is: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/tv-austen-review.html"}, {"response": 347, "author": "Ann", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (19:37)", "body": "That is an increadible review!! (By the way, you probably have to register at the NYTimes site before you can view the stories there. I would heartily recommend that you do. The NYTimes site is one of the best newspapers on the web and includes most, if not all, of the printed paper (including the crossword puzzle!!))"}, {"response": 348, "author": "Ann", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (20:06)", "body": "I have sent the NYTimes a E-letter in response to this article. I thought I would share it with all of you: Dear Sir or Madam, Your reporter, Christopher Lehmann-Haupt, is not the first to fall in love with the BBC/A&E production of Pride and Prejudice. This production in particular, and Jane Austen in general, has a large and loyal following on the internet. There are several sites which have been founded specifically for the purpose of discussing this production, and which have subsequently been broadened to include all of the works of Jane Austen. Other sites have been established solely to provide information and access to Au ten's works on the internet. Some of the URL's are as follows: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/janeinfo.html http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all/new (requires registration) http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/wwwboard/ppbb.html It is suprising to me that she, of all authors, has such a strong following in cyberspace. I am continually amazed by the wide variety of Jane Austen information available on the internet, as well as the variety of people interested in her work. The virtual community which has been created around an interest in Jane Austen includes men and women, it includes people from the age of nine to well over sixty, and spans several continents and languages. It represents the best of what the internet can be by bringing together so many people in so many different walks of life, races, and cultures. We have come together and have indeed formed a community. We cry together when one of us suffers from a loss of a loved one, and we celebrate when one of us pa ses a milestone in life. We support eachother, even though few of us have ever met or even know what the others look like. We are grateful to Miss Austen for giving us the reason come together, and are grateful to the BBC/A&E production for introducing so many of us to her work. I am glad that your paper has recognised this wonderful production, which has brought so many people to enjoy Pride and Prejudice and Jane Austen, and which has brought so many of us together in cyberspace. Thank you, Ann Elizabeth Haker haker001@tc.umn.edu"}, {"response": 349, "author": "Donna", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (21:47)", "body": "As Lizzie would say \"Beautiful\"."}, {"response": 350, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (22:03)", "body": "Great news Ann. Whewwww! * slaps Ann a high five *"}, {"response": 351, "author": "Susan", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (22:27)", "body": "Ann, what are we going to talk about next? Do keep us posted regarding your now recovered vehicle."}, {"response": 352, "author": "churchh", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (22:53)", "body": "Did someone save the review -- it's expired from the NY Times site..."}, {"response": 353, "author": "Donna", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (23:00)", "body": "Yes, it did expire. I did a search and found an old review about JA which listed your site HC."}, {"response": 354, "author": "Amy", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (23:00)", "body": "February 8, 1997 CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK / By CHRISTOPHER LEHMANN-HAUPT 'Pride and Prejudice': A Great Movie of a Great Book Plenty of bad movies have been made of good books, and a fair number of good movies have come from bad books. But a great movie of a great book? Speaking from a book reviewer's vantage point, I nominate Jane Austen's \"Pride and Prejudice,\" a co-production of the BBC and A&E, which is being rebroadcast by A&E in two parts, on Saturday and Sunday. I had missed the production the first time around, but when a friend lent me the tapes, I was instantly and completely caught up by the Bennet family and the thwarted romances of the two eldest daughters, Jane and Elizabeth. I did not get free until I had watched the entire five-hour production three or four times. The Bennets' world seemed more real than mine. I found myself repeating the memorable lines. I caught myself humming the music. As with a really good book, I discovered more and more to enjoy as I grew familiar with the main action and could concentrate on the smallest of details: for example, the way you can still overhear Miss Caroline Bingley (played with grand imperiousness by Anna Chancellor) after the camera has shifted away from the reception line at the Netherfield ball. But best of all was the way the film spurred me to read the book again after 40 years and to re-experience as literature the wayward romances of Jane and Elizabeth Bennet with Charles Bingley and Fitzwilliam Darcy. Surprisingly, the book proved somewhat disappointing at first. As the friend who lent me the tapes rightly put it when I asked him how the book compared with the film, \"It makes you fear for literature.\" \"Oh! Shocking!\" as Miss Bingley would say. To admit that the literalness of film might surpass the stimulus to the imagination of Austen's language. \"Abominable!\" But this was my experience at first. And it is not simply to be explained by the inherent vividness of film as a medium or by the masterly performances of Jennifer Ehle as Elizabeth, Colin Firth as Darcy, David Bamber as Collins, Crispin Bohham-Carter as Charles Bingley, Adrian Lukis as Lt. George Wickham and Barbara Leigh-Hunt as Lady Catherine. Other films of Austen's novels I happen to have seen don't come near to offering the pleasures of this production. One need hardly consider the 1940 Hollywood movie directed by Robert Leonard, with its mangled script (by Aldous Huxley yet!) draining the story of all dramatic tension, its miscasting of a too-old Greer Garson as Elizabeth and its simpering performance by Laurence Olivier as Darcy. Both the \"Emma\" starring Gwyneth Paltrow and a forthcoming BBC/A&E co-production of the novel with Kate Beckinsale (to be shown on A&E on Feb. 16) are entertaining enough but seem thin compared with Austen on paper. While Emma Thompson's \"Sense and Sensibility\" has much to recommend it, it suffers considerably from the lack of the novel's ironic narrative voice, which mercifully distances the reader from the excesses of its two leading characters. And \"Persuasion,\" while the best of the feature-length adaptations of Austen, is so brilliantly cinematic that one almost misses Austen's narrative voice. Moreover, it is not nearly as faithful to the original as the film of \"Pride and Prejudice\" is, and one has to have read the novel to understand certain subplots that are barely touched upon in the movie. (I have not seen the 1985 BBC production of \"Pride and Prejudice,\" directed by Cyril Coke, or the movie \"Clueless.\") In \"Pride and Prejudice,\" an early work of Austen's (at least in its original form, completed in 1797 and titled \"First Impressions\"), little distance exists between the narrator and the viewpoint of the leading characters. In fact, the narrator's outlook is close to that of Elizabeth, who, except for the prejudice that prevents her from seeing the truth about the deceptively charming Wickham and the too-proud Darcy, is one of the most liberated women in all of literature, especially impressive considering the narrowness of the society she lives in. So \"Pride and Prejudice\" translates easily onto the screen. True, the initial hostility between Elizabeth and Darcy is more deeply and subtly developed in the book. And we understand more clearly the extent to which Mr. and Mrs. Bennet are alienated as husband and wife. But consider how the film improves on the book. Take, for instance, the introduction of Collins, the cousin of the Bennets who is to inherit their estate. In the book, Bennet reads aloud the letter to him from Collins detailing how he wishes to \"heal the breach\" that subsists \"between yourself and my late honored father\" and how he plans to visit the Bennets. The family then reacts to the letter, noting the pompousness of its style. A few paragraphs later, the text announces: \"Mr. Collins was punctual to his time, and was received with great politeness by the whole family.\" In the film, Bennet starts reading the letter, but Collins' voice"}, {"response": 355, "author": "Susan", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (23:41)", "body": "Amy, thanks for sharing ... but we already knew P&P2 was addicting and very difficult to improve upon. This just proves the point. (Although I don't necessarily agree with his opinions regarding other adaptations)."}, {"response": 356, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (23:45)", "body": "Sounds like Christopher needs to be sent our URL so he may continue to wallow with the rest of us! ;-)"}, {"response": 357, "author": "Inko", "date": "Sat, Feb  8, 1997 (23:47)", "body": "Ann, thanks so much for e-mailing the N.Y. Times. I think it's great that they know their article is appreciated and that there is a bunch of us out in cyberspace who feel the same way their reviewer does! And thanks, Amy, for getting the article here. I wasn't sure how to do that. After all, that was my first link ever!! I'm learning, but ever so slowly!! BTW, I watched A&E tonight but I was disappointed--I really missed all the extra scenes I have on my tapes, and I hate being interrupted by commercials all the time! But it allowed me to get some work done and listen to it in the background!"}, {"response": 358, "author": "Cheryl", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (00:28)", "body": "Inko: BTW, I watched A&E tonight but I was disappointed--I really missed all the extra scenes I have on my tapes, and I hate being interrupted by commercials all the time! But it allowed me to get some work done and listen to it in the background! YES Inko! Me too! In fact I only watched the last 15 minutes...the proposal scene...ooh baby, lots of heat in that room! ;-)"}, {"response": 359, "author": "Anne3", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (17:54)", "body": "Susan: but we already knew P&P2 was addicting and very difficult to improve upon. This just proves the point. Yes, Susan, but what delighted me about the article was that a big cheese like Lehmann-Haupt, who as regular book critic for the New York Times holds a high position in literary circles, would admit in public to being as obsessed with a t.v. adaptation as an ordinary mortal! P&P2 conquers ALL!"}, {"response": 360, "author": "kendall", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (18:05)", "body": "Ann - I am making my way into this conversation late - like Mr. Woodhouse. I am glad they found your car - please let us know more as you get it back and back into working order. Thanks for the letter and the article."}, {"response": 361, "author": "Hilary", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (20:13)", "body": "I have just been reading back, having not visited for a while. Adi, I wish I knew some way of comforting you. I hope as time moves on you will feel better. Amy (#345),not me, I think?????....I don't think I'm that scary!"}, {"response": 362, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Feb 10, 1997 (21:25)", "body": "I guess this topic got kicked out of Austen!"}, {"response": 363, "author": "Mixu", "date": "Wed, Feb 12, 1997 (06:36)", "body": "Ramblings, everyone! I have a terrible flu, am low on cash, and on a tight schedule. And yes, I almost forgot: I'm also turning 27 on Thursday! I'm beginning to feel old... On the other hand, it's Valentine on Friday, so: Happy Valentine! Thank you for letting this off my mind. I feel better already. I'll see you next week!"}, {"response": 364, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Feb 12, 1997 (14:08)", "body": "beginning to feel old??????????? old is just a state of mind....take it from someone who is about to celebrate the 21st anniversary of his 21st birthday........."}, {"response": 365, "author": "fuzz", "date": "Sun, Feb 16, 1997 (11:34)", "body": "I have just browsed down through the responses, all 364 of them and find them to be interesting. I thought this would be more of a political discussion than I have found, but am certainly glad for the camaradery."}, {"response": 366, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Feb 16, 1997 (21:50)", "body": "Welcome Don! Hope you keep checking back in with us."}, {"response": 367, "author": "fuzz", "date": "Mon, Feb 17, 1997 (17:42)", "body": "Thanks for the welcome. Where does peoples interest lie? I would be interested in people that have ideas that would lead to organizing the State Univ. of New York (SUNY) students into a voting block, or at least a political voice with a little muscle. I think it is a damn shame what the SUNY Board of Trustees are trying to do to the state system."}, {"response": 368, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Feb 19, 1997 (03:22)", "body": "Open a topic in politics, the conference."}, {"response": 369, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Tue, Apr  8, 1997 (12:53)", "body": "You guys are very interesting but I'm not sure how I fit in since I'm going to go out on a limb here and actually say I'm not a huge Austen fan--I like what I've seen but I guess it didn't hit me the way it hit you all (so what am I doing here? long story). But you welcome even lukewarm fans, eh? You seem like a nice bunch folks, you won't wallop me, right?"}, {"response": 370, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Apr  8, 1997 (19:37)", "body": "You're cool. Come on out and play!"}, {"response": 371, "author": "mtlady", "date": "Thu, Apr 10, 1997 (15:16)", "body": "I wrote my intro. in another section. I heard today that there is a virus out there and it comes in your e mail and says from aol and states free aol on line and when you open it your entire system is wiped out including your antivirus programs. I figure it is for real because the alert was from washington and sent out to gov. fac. recieved in Atlanta at a gov. research fac. anyone heard about this?"}, {"response": 372, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Apr 10, 1997 (20:36)", "body": "No, can you provide more details. Is it documented anywhere on the web or is there any anti-virus company that recognizes it. Have you contacted the folks at F-Prot or Norton to see if it's real. An email to them might clear things up."}, {"response": 373, "author": "stacey", "date": "Sat, Apr 12, 1997 (14:23)", "body": "My,my, my... Terry, this has really grown since last I checked in. At the Denver Public Library today. Brandon is on a plane bound for Philly and I'm cold and lonely. The weather is bringing me down. The middle of April. 10 degrees. Six inches of melting snow. My flowers, the ones I planted three weeks ago, will never bloom. Sad. I'm checking out a Kabir poetry book, an Aaron Copland CD and several other random fiction stories -- sci-fi, romance, modern weird, you know... a little bit of everything to help me get through the week. Miss Austin, miss warm weather. Need a cup of caffeine and a chocolate macad mia cookie. Mountain biking and skating are on hold until the snow melts and the trails dry up. Thinking fondly of my former life..."}, {"response": 374, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Apr 12, 1997 (17:27)", "body": "Wow, Miss Stace' checkin' in... glad you found some access. Are those Interent terminals very busy? Isn't it cool that libraries have net access now. Nearly all the Austin libraries have net access. I get Denver stations on my satellite dish so I got a little glimpse at your weather. I won't mention what kind of day we're having in Austin or that all the plants all over are in multi-colored profusion. Do you go snow skiing? That would seem a natural for you with your athleticism. Have you been in any more ironman competitions (run, swim, bike)? Well, enough of this indoor activity for now, time to get outdoors. Keep on checkin' in, Stacey!"}, {"response": 375, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, Apr 14, 1997 (09:23)", "body": "Stacey stacey check back in! I'm a desperately unhappy Dallasite longing to relocate to Denver/Boulder. Please give me some words of encouragement while I wait out this interminable job-hunt. I miss Austin, too--partly why I'm heading for D/B! It's the closest I've found to that great Austin ambience. Guess I'll trade hellishly hot summers for frosty winters!"}, {"response": 376, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, Apr 16, 1997 (12:57)", "body": "well, I'm bummed...one of the 2 main potential employers I'm looking at in Denver now lists \"no jobs available\" on their home page (they used to have half a dozen) and the other one still has the 2 unsuitable-for-me jobs they've been listing since Feb. Time to do more searching and sending."}, {"response": 377, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Apr 16, 1997 (21:18)", "body": "Did you get in touch with Stacey yet?"}, {"response": 378, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Apr 16, 1997 (21:42)", "body": "Have you thought about moving to Austin? Just a thought."}, {"response": 379, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Thu, Apr 17, 1997 (13:18)", "body": "Like I said in one of my many intros, it would be a dream come true to return to Austin, the town of my heart. Unfortunately, the reality is that I am just too old to live in the squalor afforded by the measly salaries paid for my line of work in Austin...so I visit and dream..."}, {"response": 380, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Thu, Apr 17, 1997 (13:33)", "body": "Plus I'm just too dainty these days for the blistering hellfire of those Austin summers (they made a man of me in my 20s, but now...I can't breathe!)...like Colo winters will be any less hellish!"}, {"response": 381, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Apr 17, 1997 (23:37)", "body": "What work do you do again?"}, {"response": 382, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, Apr 18, 1997 (08:07)", "body": "Molecular biology (got my MD, quit my residency, took up lab work). Sadly, the labs in Austin are easily staffed by peons fresh out of college willing to work for peanuts. There is Ambion, the lone industry. Perhaps I should give them a whirl, see if they'd be willing to pay me vast sums of money to enjoy the Austin ambience...."}, {"response": 383, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Apr 19, 1997 (00:25)", "body": "Talk to my friend Bob Nagy who works at UT Botany when he gets over his throat surgery (about a week). He's mailto://bob@spring.com He may be able to help steer you in the right direction. I'll mention him to you. His home page is at http://www.spring.com/~kreblon There's hope!"}, {"response": 384, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, Apr 21, 1997 (13:07)", "body": "You are very kind, terry. I will definitely look there! Sadly, UT is the lowest-paying, but what the heck, I'll see what's up. My ramble for today: I changed the tire on my car ALL BY MYSELF!!! last Saturday. I'm so proud of myself. Plenty of lacrimal lubrication to get the lugs off (fortunately this all took place in the privacy of my own driveway)!"}, {"response": 385, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Apr 22, 1997 (23:26)", "body": "The folks I know there love it. Despite the low pay. They like the relaxed atmosphere and benefits."}, {"response": 386, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, Apr 23, 1997 (08:55)", "body": "As indeed I did during the 3 1/2 years I toiled in the Micro dept--great people and a fine ambience (ESB is a cool bldg)--much better than the tense unsmiling environs of UTSWMC Dallas! I'll see what the pay scale is for my now-advanced status (cf my previous inexperienced level), eh. I just need enough to pay the vet bills and the car repairman!"}, {"response": 387, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, Apr 23, 1997 (09:24)", "body": "And apropos of nothing, let me just rant about my pet peeve, trafficwise: so you're tooling along virtually alone on the road (plenty of oncoming traffic)(but no one near you in your direction). Mr Doofus is exiting a parking lot, wants to join you on the road. He sees you 10 blocks away and waits. And waits. And waits. When you are right upon him, mere inches from his front bumper, he EASES his tuna boat out directly in front of you. Having used up every last ounce of driving courage on this bold m neuver, he proceeds to drive 5 mph for a block or two, then slams on his brakes without warning, apparently (why use a turn signal? HE knows where he's going) wishing to turn left past all the oncoming traffic. So the pair of you spend eternity waiting for a brek in traffic sufficiently large to accomodate a tuna boat driven by a moron whose used up all his courage. Not a soul behind you; he could have done all of this after you passed, but NOOOOO, he HAD to pull in front of you. Thank you and good ni ht. seriously, any other traffic annoyances out there? Or do I just need to get the idiot magnet removed from my front bumper?"}, {"response": 388, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, Apr 23, 1997 (09:26)", "body": "sorry about the typos--combination of spleen-venting and weird response frame (I can't see half of what I type!)"}, {"response": 389, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, Apr 23, 1997 (09:28)", "body": "I'm over in Austin rambling, go back to main menu, see there's a new response in porch, come over here, and it's ME! This is too fun, chatting with myself (are the voices in my head bothering you?)."}, {"response": 390, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, Apr 23, 1997 (13:03)", "body": "And I return hours later,see another new response, and whaddaya know--ME AGAIN!"}, {"response": 391, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Thu, Apr 24, 1997 (13:04)", "body": "AUBREY RULES THE WORLD!! I am the only responder! I am queen of everything! Ruler of mesopotamia! Goddess of The Spring!"}, {"response": 392, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Apr 24, 1997 (16:09)", "body": "Well, you see, aubrey, the 'ramble' topic is actually replicated throughout several conferences and forms sort of a common thread through all these conferences. It started out in the austen conference and spread out from there (though it's no longer linked to austen after the major metamorphosis it went through. Anyone see the story on the WELL in the latest issue of Wired? Two folks I know pretty well, Cliff Figallo (fig@well.com) and John Coate (tex@well.com) are on the cover looking like guys out of the Xfiles. Also pictured is Stewart Brand. I was one of the original members of the WELL and much of the inspiration for the Spring comes from what Cliff and John did at the WELL, even the name was originally a play on the WELL. Anyway, check it out."}, {"response": 393, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, Apr 25, 1997 (08:13)", "body": "I thought someone was typing in porch while I was typing in austin. Ddidn't realize the computer wouldn't be able to figure out it was me all the time. Will look for Wired and your pals. You're a funny man of the spring/well/geyser."}, {"response": 394, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, Apr 30, 1997 (09:10)", "body": "Once again, aubrey is the queen of all she surveys! I rock the Spring! I am so large and in charge! I think I will chat with myself a while...."}, {"response": 395, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Apr 30, 1997 (17:10)", "body": "I've been offline here about 3 days, I'll be getting back on soon."}, {"response": 396, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, May  2, 1997 (09:26)", "body": "But I'm having sooo much fun! I NEVER get to be the one in charge! However, you are better at it than me...Fun in the lab: I was doing an experiment yesterday that required the use of some truly noxious organic chemicals; when I was pouring them out under the fume hood (like one of those kitchen range exhaust fans, only it's enclosed on 3 1/2 sides)(designed to suck away noxious vapors so they don't enter the lab) I couldn't quite reach the sink at the back of the hood, so without thinking I NATURALLY tuck my head under the hood to get better leverage...just a half a whiff of that stuff and I blacked out and hit the floor. Yikes-a-hootey! I'm still reeling from the shock a day later! Maybe I should consider a different profession? One that doesn't require frequent use of noxious and dangerous chemicals and gene-altering isotopes?"}, {"response": 397, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, May  2, 1997 (13:21)", "body": "I wondered why you hadn't been posting for a couple of days! Wow! Take it easy there. Glad you back with the conscious folks. You're set up as a telnetter now! Let me know if you have any questions about how to use the telnet / yapp interface."}, {"response": 398, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (09:08)", "body": "Well, terry, I've tried every way I can but I still seem to have some sort of block vis a vis telnet. I can get to stroud (but only via typing it into netscape or clicking on the url you left me in tv conf--the url on the welcome page still doesn't work), but get lost therafter. There is a ws-ftp to click on at one point in the depths of Stroud, but my choice seems to be to download it, which (since this is NOT my own computer) I am a bit leery of. There is no Windows95 choice. On this computer (NOT i NetScape) there is a ws-ftp icon which I played with a little, but it couldn't find telnet://www.spring.com so I stopped (but now my password and name are on the ws-ftp page). Maybe I should try this from a personal personal computer (my brother is a computer jockey; I will enlist his help)."}, {"response": 399, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (09:10)", "body": "Where the hell did THAT come from???? All I did was type in the letters for that telnet thing and it went purple!!! Does that work for other sites? http://www.vabeach.com for example?"}, {"response": 400, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (09:31)", "body": "Help terry I'm scaring myself--every time I type in a url it lights up. Did I sniff too much pet ether last week or is this the glorious result of being a telnet gal? Yikes! Stop me before I hurt someone! So that vabeach url is from my e-pal who wants so desperately to join the Spring but cannot get on. I don't know what the site is, it was just the first thing I tried! AND IT WORKS! This is toooo spooooooky for me. How does the computer know where to go if I didn't tell it?"}, {"response": 401, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (09:58)", "body": "Terry I am serious, this is WAY too spooky: I sent an e-mail (via NetScape)to my bros requesting their assistance in this telnet thing, and when I typed in the spring telnet url thingie, IT LIT UP! WHY IS THIS SUDDENLY HAPPENING?? As you will note from my previous comments, I never used to be able to do lit-up urls--when I suggested websites to my e-pals, they never lit up before. How does the computer know I have a telnet account when I'm not logged on that way? IS BIG BROTHER WATCHING ME? I'm getti g paranoid!"}, {"response": 402, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (12:38)", "body": "I just left a lot of responses in ramble via telnet (with the kind assistance of my e-pal and my brother) and they didn't show up here. What's up?"}, {"response": 403, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (13:35)", "body": "And now my responses are gone from telnet, although that last response (left via the website) showed up on telnet. I am deeply confused. Plus, where are the messages left for me in telnet by my e-pal pungo? Terry, take my hand and leadeth me beside the spring waters, for I knoweth not what is happen."}, {"response": 404, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (13:38)", "body": "what happens to the stuff I write here? It vanished! Hmmmm, I went to the web spring and typed that above message in, and when I came back, this last telnet response was still here... I think I need someone else to chat with for this to work? \".\""}, {"response": 405, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (13:41)", "body": "Terry you'd better get here quick. My computer is now sassing back at me. I was roaming around telnet in ramble and it informed me \"a message entered before yours at 403\"--I don't know what it's talking about, but that's pretty spooky. Truly bizarre, tho--I asked it to take me to tv conf, but before it would it asked \"do you feel more enlightened now?\" WHO IS TALKING TO ME???? Are the voices in my head bothering anyone else?"}, {"response": 406, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (13:43)", "body": "response 404 is me in telnet. \".\" is me trying to leave! What happened to my first set of responses a few hours ago? Why did that STUPID response show up? Where did my name come into all of this?"}, {"response": 407, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, May  5, 1997 (22:17)", "body": "Keep after it aubrey, you'll catch on. This telnet stuff really does work!"}, {"response": 408, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Tue, May  6, 1997 (07:49)", "body": "It may work for you. It just scares me."}, {"response": 409, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, May  6, 1997 (09:15)", "body": "It's not all that scary. What editor are you using? vi or pico?"}, {"response": 410, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, May  7, 1997 (08:13)", "body": "ummmm...I am my own editor? Let me ask the computer god who runs the show around here. He's nice and knows everything about our set-up (he should, since he set it up!)."}, {"response": 411, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, May  7, 1997 (08:23)", "body": "I couldn't find anywhere in tv conf to put this, so I'll just yammer away here: last night I got to watch a tv pilot. It was not so good but it was fun getting to watch something that may or may not be a show. The only person I recognized was Cynthia Geary from NExp (so maybe this should go there). It was a lame sitcom about a totally uninteresting couple of 20somethings getting married and all the trouble with involving their families in the wedding (his: NY Jew, hers: Southern crackers; hi-jinks ens e!). You think I could parlay this into a career? I can critique potential shows from the comfort of my own living room! Or not."}, {"response": 412, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, May  7, 1997 (09:13)", "body": "You might want to hold on to your day job till you explore this a little more."}, {"response": 413, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, May  7, 1997 (13:02)", "body": "It's so exciting to have you here during the day, terry! I like! So what, you think they won't pay me vast sums of money to sit around bitching about others' lack of creativity? Am I doomed to knocking myself out with organic solvents for the rest of my natural life? Breathe in, breathe out...."}, {"response": 414, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, May  7, 1997 (18:33)", "body": "Are you and telnet getting along now?"}, {"response": 415, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Thu, May  8, 1997 (12:11)", "body": "Well, not exactly. I've asked my brother the computer chimp to help me out (so don't be surprised if you read some really dull test messages here--I gave him my logon to work it out for me) so we'll see what he comes up with. My friend pungo has given up completely on The Spring (he e-mailed you for help and didn't hear back and since I can't find him on telnet he's going to find somewhere else for us to play--but I'll still be here!). I prefer the web-nased bbs rather than telnet. Maybe I'm a sucker or cool graphics (also this computer is pretty fast) or whatnot. What again are the advantages to telnet?"}, {"response": 416, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Thu, May  8, 1997 (12:11)", "body": "That's \"web Based\" bbs!"}, {"response": 417, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Thu, May  8, 1997 (12:12)", "body": "Oh yeah the tv pilot people never called me for my opinion--what have you been telling them about me, terry?"}, {"response": 418, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, May  9, 1997 (10:06)", "body": "The tv pilot people called last night; apparently the wrong show got beamed out so they didn't even interview me. My shiny new career vanishes like a candle in the wind...."}, {"response": 419, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, May  9, 1997 (14:00)", "body": "like the old Elton John song."}, {"response": 420, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, May 14, 1997 (14:10)", "body": "how time does fly! I can't believe it's been so long since I've logged in. Boss-man really has me totin barges and liftin bales. Plus I've walked out on him a couple of times in the middle of the workin day when he starts smokin in the lab. Anyway, I got a phone interview, out of the blue, from Amgen, a company I applied to back in Feb--thought they'd forgotten all about me but apparently not. I am hopelessly unqualified for the job in question, plus it's in 1K Oaks CA where I'll never live, but who ares! I'll take the interview process as far as she'll go. I need the practice. Hey, also my bro in Denver has mentioned an editing job (for medical journals) so maybe I'll get something after all!"}, {"response": 421, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, May 14, 1997 (16:17)", "body": "I just got offered a webmaster job in Calif and a system network job for Compaq, but I got an even better job offer inAustin. So I'll stick around."}, {"response": 422, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Thu, May 15, 1997 (08:06)", "body": "But even if it weren't a better offer--you'd stay in Austin, right? Calif can't compare! Do you have to move to do a computer job? Can't they just link you up or something and let you stay in that fair city?"}, {"response": 423, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, May 15, 1997 (08:15)", "body": "I would probably stay. If it were Northern Calif I'd be more tempted. I had a good dinner last night with Doug Larue and he has some ideas for pumping up the Spring and Capcity. Doug is a very talented designer and editor of Capitol City Arts and Entertainment magazine. We're working on ways to build traffic and to attract more dedicated websites."}, {"response": 424, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, May 16, 1997 (13:36)", "body": "I can't wait! I'm all aglow! More people would be grrrreat. I've been spending time on another website (wbs.net) and while it's fun having \"live\" conversations, the people and topics are lame. More people here would be ideal. Let me know if I (useless as I am) can help--I'm still doing word-of-mouth promotions to everyone I meet who uses computers."}, {"response": 425, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, May 16, 1997 (17:59)", "body": "Anything you can do would help. I'm working 12 hours a day now so it's harder to promote this thing."}, {"response": 426, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, May 19, 1997 (08:26)", "body": "Terry you must relax! Austin is for slackers! Please tell me you will not keep up this pace. Breathe in, breathe out..."}, {"response": 427, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, May 19, 1997 (12:54)", "body": "I think I pumped it up a bit here on Sunday night. Take a look around and you'lll see some action, Aubrey."}, {"response": 428, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Sun, May 25, 1997 (09:20)", "body": "Where have I been??? I'm back now!"}, {"response": 429, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Sun, May 25, 1997 (09:28)", "body": "hahahaha and I'm STILL fooling myself with this ramble-in-many-conferences gag! every time I put in a response I go and check the other conference!! I have a memory span the size of a GNAT!!!"}, {"response": 430, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, May 25, 1997 (09:43)", "body": "I'm heading off to TJ Cellery's big party today, he's one of our posters in the sports conference and he's got bands, darts, and all kinds of activities going on out in Lake Bastrop today and tomorrow. It's already been going on for two days."}, {"response": 431, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Tue, May 27, 1997 (08:26)", "body": "Hope you had fun terry. I linked the spring from my \"home page\" (such as it is) on wbs.net--hope that's ok!"}, {"response": 432, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, May 27, 1997 (09:31)", "body": "It's more than ok."}, {"response": 433, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, May 27, 1997 (21:38)", "body": "Hiya! Once again found myself within 3 yards of a computer and had to say hello! Miss you. Miss Austin. Should be back in late June early July. We'll do the Dog&Duck/veggie burger thing! Spring has finally reached Denver! Yea! Camping, biking and beer guzzling for Memorial Day. JuneFest this weekend -- more beer, camping and biking! Hope all is well with EVERYONE -- too many new people, I feel lost Paul! Smiles and hugs!"}, {"response": 434, "author": "ginger", "date": "Wed, May 28, 1997 (00:50)", "body": "We had a great party out in Bastrop at TJ Cellery's digs, he had live bands, horseshoes, good friends, great food and four frolicking days. He's been doing this for 25 years now (all around the country). Too bad about the Avs' Stacey Leigh!"}, {"response": 435, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, May 28, 1997 (07:56)", "body": "Stacey, did you hear about Don moving out to Denver?"}, {"response": 436, "author": "msegal", "date": "Thu, May 29, 1997 (10:56)", "body": "Hi. Is there anyone interested in the Canadian federal election?"}, {"response": 437, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, May 29, 1997 (13:50)", "body": "I hadn't been giving it much thought. Fill us in ok?"}, {"response": 438, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, Jun  2, 1997 (08:33)", "body": "There's a Canadienne in my wbs chat group who want the current guy booted out in favor of the contender who she says \"won't let the Frenchies walk all over us\"--I'll ask for more details, eh?"}, {"response": 439, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jun  2, 1997 (11:19)", "body": "How about those Bulls las night?"}, {"response": 440, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun  8, 1997 (10:00)", "body": "They're having a quiet war about that, Aubrey?"}, {"response": 441, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Wed, Jun 18, 1997 (07:58)", "body": "sadly ginger that's all I know--and terry see my query in porch intros; I am confused (so what's new!) by these new choices we have! \"preserve as unread\"??? why???"}, {"response": 442, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 18, 1997 (11:42)", "body": "Why? Because Dave Thaler just upgraded our interface. We'll be putting out some upgrade notes soon. Aubrey, so good you're back!"}, {"response": 443, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, Jun 20, 1997 (08:06)", "body": "Thank you terry! glad to be here! so sad that boss-man keeps me away with WORK! So what is with thie COOKIE business????? why do yuo keep asking me to send them? I make a really great oatmeal chocolate chip (to die for!)--wouild a dozen satisfy you? Seriously terry this is getting ridiculous! I can hardly get on the spring for having to machete through a thicket of computer messages about COOKIES--help meeeeee!"}, {"response": 444, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jun 20, 1997 (17:33)", "body": "Your broswer lets you turn off cookie notification. What browser are you using aub' ?"}, {"response": 445, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Mon, Jun 23, 1997 (08:10)", "body": "I am using netscape...everyone is telling me cookies are the worst thing in the world but you seem relatively calm about this...so I will take heart and attempt to figure out how to turn them off. if I can't can you help!"}, {"response": 446, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jun 23, 1997 (08:30)", "body": "Sure, be glad to help. What version of Netscape do you have?"}, {"response": 447, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, Jun 27, 1997 (12:49)", "body": "yu got me there pal, I just click it on hee hee hee...let me have a look-see..."}, {"response": 448, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, Jun 27, 1997 (12:54)", "body": "the icon says 3.01 but what actually comes up is 3.0...I deselected cookie under the preferences \"show me a warning before accepting a...\" and I sure hope that's ok--I don't know why someone would select that--terry? do I need to know when the computer has accepted a cookie?"}, {"response": 449, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jun 27, 1997 (12:55)", "body": "Not really. It's mildly interesting. Not something to work up a frenzy over."}, {"response": 450, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, Jun 27, 1997 (13:00)", "body": "hey!! now you actually being here IS soething to work up into a frenzy over!"}, {"response": 451, "author": "aubrey", "date": "Fri, Jun 27, 1997 (13:01)", "body": "And I am frothing! I have never had anyone here when I am here! so I want to hear more about the electronic minds *peering about* are they here right now?"}, {"response": 452, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jun 27, 1997 (13:45)", "body": "They are, join minds."}, {"response": 454, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 15, 1998 (11:12)", "body": "Sure pop it in the wave."}, {"response": 455, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jan 15, 1998 (18:06)", "body": "and what, praytell, are we rambling about?!?"}, {"response": 456, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jan 15, 1998 (18:14)", "body": "jesus! I had to go through 2 friggin years worth o crap to get here! And what do I find but the same damn words I posted somewhere else. This is un nerving!"}, {"response": 457, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Thu, Jan 15, 1998 (18:18)", "body": "lol!"}, {"response": 459, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 16, 1998 (10:04)", "body": "Ramble is a mega linked topic. So if you ramble here, you ramble everywhere. Just so you know."}, {"response": 460, "author": "autumn", "date": "Fri, Jan 16, 1998 (12:16)", "body": "That's an intimidating thought. I'm afraid to ramble now."}, {"response": 462, "author": "autumn", "date": "Fri, Jan 16, 1998 (13:44)", "body": "Sorry, I seldom think I have anything worthwhile to say, much less to have it echoed throughout the spring."}, {"response": 464, "author": "autumn", "date": "Sat, Jan 17, 1998 (15:52)", "body": "Ahh, but I'm not a deep thinker like you. An eloquent stream of consciousness always rates higher than inane chit-chat."}, {"response": 466, "author": "autumn", "date": "Sun, Jan 18, 1998 (21:39)", "body": "Well, consider yourself eloquent."}, {"response": 467, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (17:11)", "body": "\"I was born a ramblin' Maaaaannnnnnnnnn. Trying to make a livin' an doin' the best I caaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnn.\""}, {"response": 468, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Mon, Jan 19, 1998 (17:59)", "body": "roflmao! (that's a pretty excellent dickie betts, especially from someone subject to recurring cat dreams...)"}, {"response": 469, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (18:21)", "body": "*grin* gotta be too much herb tea!"}, {"response": 470, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (18:41)", "body": "Hey, ramblin' girl, speaking of tea, just got a shipment of chai in today. A free sample from the Pacific Chai company. Who says I never got anything free off the net?"}, {"response": 471, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (18:45)", "body": "where? Good stuff? I'm a big Celestial Seasonings fan..."}, {"response": 472, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (18:46)", "body": "JUST POSTED THIS IN MOVIES.... NOW I HAVE TO READ IT AGAIN IN FITNESS!!!!!! AAAccccccccccccccccccck! Paul, what are you doing to me?!?!"}, {"response": 473, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (18:49)", "body": "It's a conspiracy Stace, remember when I told you a few days ago that when you post here you post everywhere (thought I was kidding, eh?). Anyway, I got the free Chai tea from Pacific Chai which I found by searching for the word \"chai tea\" on yahoo's site. http://www.PacificChai.com Good stuff! Spicy, weet, rich, and *instant* chai tea."}, {"response": 474, "author": "autumn", "date": "Tue, Jan 20, 1998 (19:56)", "body": "Stacey, what are your favorite CS teas? I love the mandarin orange spice, and I use their green blend for iced tea."}, {"response": 475, "author": "nike", "date": "Wed, Jan 21, 1998 (11:58)", "body": "Well as the thread in this group goes more into tea, all I can add to that is the fact that I have never drunken so much tea in my life like I do now living in Londo for half a year, you really drink it at nearly anytime in the day it's incredible... Just to continue rambling (I hope nobody minds) I am just not willing to spend hours over what I should be doing, preparing for my finals here in the South Bank University in London. It has been quite a semester here, and I must say to anybody who has the chanceto join such an exchangeprogramme, do it (like the Nike ad tell's you to) It's an expirience I don't want to have missed, and I already have spend a moth in an american Junior high school, a couple of years back (yeah yeah, those were the days) this thred was called Ramble? wasn't it ? ;-) I just could go on for hours, telling you about the freezing weather we had here after we had the warmest day in January two weeks ago, since the recordings began some hundred years ago, the weather is really unpredictable... Somehow I could do with some real proper sunshine, staying here I have acquired one of the most ugly teints I have ever had, the last time I had such a pale skin was after learning for my last exams in Germany for nearly a whole month and not seeing the outside much... Well I guess all you can do about that is either eat a wagonload of carrots (betacarotin) or lie under a artificial sun for some time, which I actually don't have, or I should better say shouldn't have ;-) Rambling on I could now go into the fact that I spent nearly 2 hours downloading the newest Mac OS -8 upgrade to 8.1 Apart from that I found a cool webpage explaining about Java and even offering a whole online store for free (all the scripts and everything that is needed to make such an to run an online store) so if everything else fails (my studies here as a building engeneer) I will open an online store selling ... well I don't know... ah! I got it I'll sell semelly socks ;-) Well what I would really like to do at the moment is continue writing my webpage, but I can't continue, because I couldn't setup my harddisk here, because my friend wanted back his casing for his harddisk ... well just in case you would like to have a little look around, or find out a bit about the thesis that I want to write about, check out my page at http://www.hardlink.com/~nike I would like some feedback... Well I guess I have rambled enough ;-) I should get back to my studies (yuck) See ya around enjoy the tea (I usually just have the normal PG Tips Black tea here) Bye Nike"}, {"response": 476, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 21, 1998 (18:59)", "body": "Just in, the inside scoop on Clinton's woes from the Drudge report in politics."}, {"response": 477, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 21, 1998 (20:23)", "body": "Read it in the politics conference. Either it's over for Clinton or Starr. One of them will bite the dust soon."}, {"response": 478, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 21, 1998 (20:28)", "body": "Nike, now thar's a ramblin' man! Gosh, it's great you're back with us. Buddy, ya know, got a gig with Microsoft up in big D. Funny, Buddy always despised Microsoft now he's getting those BillyBucks. I wish him well. It's a great break for him and he can help a lot of other visually handicapped folks break some barriers."}, {"response": 479, "author": "nike", "date": "Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (10:21)", "body": "Yeah! don't get me rambin, when I actually have some work to do ;-) (at least not, when the work I do have to do is somethin I hate doin, like revising all the stuff I learned the last half of the yaer... Is Buddy still around here in the Spring? Well I guess it's often like that, when money is involved... I also would work for Microsoft, but in my heart I still would prefer to work with a Mac,. Anyway, a really great break for him, I must say. Why is it in big D? I thought they were up in big R? Well I hope to read lot's astuff in the various topics, only at the moment I don't have that much time, but I will broowse a bit. See ya around See ya around Nike"}, {"response": 480, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (10:43)", "body": "Hey, anyone want a free frisbee? http://cgi.pathfinder.com/cgi-bin/gdml2x/game/pathfinder/apc_survey2 will get you one if you answer their plastics survey."}, {"response": 481, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (10:44)", "body": "Big, or Dallas, is a tech support location. That's what he's doing, supporting handicapped users. And getting all the free food he can eat!"}, {"response": 482, "author": "autumn", "date": "Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (12:15)", "body": "Don't forget to clue him in on the frisbee!"}, {"response": 483, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (16:45)", "body": "Autumn... teas (the faves) Tension Tamer Echinecea Ginseng Bengal \u001b[A\u001b[C\u001b[C\u001b[C\u001b[C\u001b[C\u001b[C\u001b[B\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D\u001b[D SpiceSleepyTime Emporer's Choice"}, {"response": 484, "author": "autumn", "date": "Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (16:54)", "body": "I haven't heard of a couple of those...maybe they're marketed differently in other regions? Like out here we have Edy's ice cream, but on the West Coast it is Dreyer's. And in Europe, Arizona iced tea is called Colorado iced tea (sounds more exotic \"Old West\" or something, I guess!)"}, {"response": 485, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jan 22, 1998 (17:05)", "body": "My super favorite in the Bengal Spice... clovey cinnamony yummy! Shame you don't have them. What are your favorites?"}, {"response": 486, "author": "russell", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (16:53)", "body": "New this month in Culture Wars magazine online: http://www.culturewars.com The Kingpins of Drug Legalization: Investigating Their Role in the Culture War by Michael J. Ard Who are the voices crying out for the de-criminalization of narcotics, and what are their real objectives? The answers may surprise you."}, {"response": 487, "author": "autumn", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:03)", "body": "My favorite is the mandarin orange spice, but if the Bengal is as good as it sounds, I'll have to look for it. Only I hope it is not too cinnamon-y, because I can't stand their apple cinnamon spice flavor. Or anything with mint."}, {"response": 488, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:18)", "body": "Thanks Russell, that culturewares site was mentioned in our web conference as a cool website not too long ago. On a less frenetic front, and back to teatalk, I picked up some more chai tea tonight and and hibiscus blend. My two current favorites."}, {"response": 489, "author": "autumn", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:23)", "body": "Ooh, hibiscus is yummy!"}, {"response": 490, "author": "doug", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:33)", "body": "Hey I just saw that culturewars site, gonna read it now. Oh, Terry, I didnt know you were a Tea Coinsure' You continue to surprise me!"}, {"response": 491, "author": "autumn", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:36)", "body": "Oh, he's a regular renaissance man....."}, {"response": 492, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:40)", "body": "Gosh, hey honest, I haven't been making under the table payments to Autumn. That hibiscus is great brewed with fresh grated ginger and sweetened with white grape juice."}, {"response": 493, "author": "autumn", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:42)", "body": "Wow--it would never occur to me to doctor tea with anything but honey or fructose. Old family recipe?"}, {"response": 494, "author": "doug", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:48)", "body": "I only came into this conference because I saw that was where the current action was. But dagnabbit if I wasn't exposed and affected by the culture oozing from the electrons of Terry's universe. We are headed to Mexico City tomarrow to go an a ancient indian adventure, talk about culture! I will be exposed to a great deal of over the next week or so. We are going to one of the valcanoes and as many pyramids as we can find, hopfully this will become celestinial. Speaking of culture, I hear there is a very cool (Spring Like) site called http://www.boat.org check it out!"}, {"response": 495, "author": "autumn", "date": "Fri, Jan 23, 1998 (20:54)", "body": "Sounds like an incredible outing, Doug!"}, {"response": 496, "author": "stacey", "date": "Wed, Jan 28, 1998 (18:31)", "body": "Hot pepper cheese craving... anyone want to join me?"}, {"response": 498, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Jan 29, 1998 (09:07)", "body": "you can try... but i won't fit. maybe you sould put the cheese and the Ritz on me!"}, {"response": 501, "author": "stacey", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (03:06)", "body": "is that a sigh of relief or of dispair? (or were you just breathing heavy and got confused?)"}, {"response": 502, "author": "stacey", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (03:06)", "body": "drinking my tea, having finished my bagel. Fairly happy today Well, certainly not sad And I read a post from many moons ago that mentioned boyce I associate the name, obviously with the spring, but also with the summer months in Austin. And, all of a sudden, I became really homesick for Austin. My old apartment off of Riverside, runs around Town Lake, late night skates around town stopping in assorted coffee houses to play cards... The smell of the air with humidity. The hot sticky feel after exercising in humidity and sunshine. Riding through the Greenbelt, reading off Mt. Bonnell... To no one in particular... Do you ever feel happy and sad at the same time? Odd how this came up so suddenly."}, {"response": 503, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (03:06)", "body": "I guess that's me. Yeah, I feel happy and sad simultaneously. Well I got a contract on a house in Austin today. I now have 10 days to change my mind."}, {"response": 504, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (03:06)", "body": "(all the time)"}, {"response": 505, "author": "autumn", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (15:22)", "body": "Wow, a house--that's a big commitment, Terry. Sometimes I think ours is a full-time job. Stacey, that happy/sad feeling; sometimes. More commonly I feel a persistent undercurrent of restlessness laying in wait beneath the surface."}, {"response": 507, "author": "stacey", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (17:28)", "body": "congrats on the house Paul! and as far as the brief trip into emotional uncertainty... there's nothing like a class full of rowdy boys to bring you back to the here and now! *smile* and nothing like a beer (or four) to make the day a mere memory!"}, {"response": 508, "author": "stacey", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (17:39)", "body": "whew! (spamified) found ramble in another conference... that I'd never checked before two plus years of... rambling. (worn out)"}, {"response": 509, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 30, 1998 (19:53)", "body": "ramble rambles all over about 7 or 8 conferences. Ramble really rambles."}, {"response": 511, "author": "stacey", "date": "Wed, Feb  4, 1998 (15:19)", "body": "afternoon..."}, {"response": 513, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Feb  5, 1998 (17:16)", "body": "fine. busy. frustrated with certain things but nothing catastrophic... you know how it is when you begin to vent... a trickle, a stream, a flood..."}, {"response": 515, "author": "stacey", "date": "Fri, Feb  6, 1998 (12:55)", "body": "sure you wanna talk??? *wink*"}, {"response": 517, "author": "stacey", "date": "Fri, Feb  6, 1998 (17:26)", "body": "what should I sit on?!?! *grin*"}, {"response": 519, "author": "stacey", "date": "Sun, Feb  8, 1998 (21:29)", "body": "okay. In an effort to expand our cultural horizons, let's each choose a different language to speak to each other in. (Kind of the way men and women relate anyway) You may speak whatever you like I choose body language!"}]}, {"num": 31, "subject": "Tiger Woods", "response_count": 7, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Apr 14, 1997 (23:23)", "body": "Tiger really burned up the Augusta National at the Masters a couple of days ago. Anyone watch this. Tiger is just a \"nice kid\" who everyone likes who, by the way, may be the best golfer ever at 21 years of age. What next for Tiger Woods? The US Open."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (11:51)", "body": "I'm Tiger Woods."}, {"response": 3, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (00:59)", "body": "The US Open. I think Tiger is runnig 5th."}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (12:24)", "body": "Tiger, despite his 2nd major win, is still yet to prove himself in the Ryder Cup arena - his record, like that of most of the USA team in foursomes and fourballs, remains unimpressive. We European fans will continue to question his heart (never his talent) until he sets this record straight. Although congrats to USA on yesterday's win. A bitter pill, and plenty of sour grapes over here about players running across the line of Olazabal's possible tying putt, and encouraging the crowds to cheer louder ev n before European shots."}, {"response": 5, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (12:37)", "body": "European? Where from?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (12:44)", "body": "They couldn't hold back, cause they were so bashed in the media and by the fans and they had been more or less abandoned to lose. On top of that, Austinite Justin Leonard hadn't been doing well and then sank a 45' putt. Gold just doesn't tolerate displays of team spirit like other sports, it's so rare."}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (03:30)", "body": "I have to agree Leonard's transformation halfway through his last match was unbelievable. Personally I don't mind the \"antics\" too much - not when I've calmed down and accepted the defeat - but the press (and some of the European team officials) have made a lot of it. Alexander, I'm British - hope I didn't give the impression I thought Tiger was European. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 32, "subject": "Sports humor", "response_count": 13, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (21:58)", "body": "There was a Packers fan with a really bad seat at Lambeau. Looking with his binoculars, he spotted an empty seat on the 50-yard line. Thinking to himself, \"what a waste,\" he made his way down to the empty seat. When he arrived at the seat, he asked the man sitting next to it, \"Is this seat taken?\" The man replied, \"This was my wife's seat. She passed away. She was a big Packers fan.\" The other man replied,\"I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. May I ask why you didn't give the ticket to a friend or a relative?\" The man replied, \"They're all at the funeral.\""}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Aug 28, 1999 (19:06)", "body": "Sorry to put this here, but there was no College Football 1999, and it would not allow me to create one... PENN STATE 41 ARIZONA 7"}, {"response": 3, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Aug 28, 1999 (19:48)", "body": "I'm sure Dick Tomey wouldn't consider THAT sports humor, but Joe Paterno might..."}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Aug 28, 1999 (20:04)", "body": "...for the glory, as we Penn State alums say... It was a Bee-You-Tee-Ful thing to watch - a glorious day in Happy Valley, and I got to look out over the Vales of old Mt Nittany. *sigh* Never did like Dick Tomey much when he was at UH Manoa."}, {"response": 5, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Aug 28, 1999 (22:16)", "body": "Tomey was a better coach than either Larry Price or Fred von Appen. The jerks at UH Manoa get what they deserve. They fired Dave Holmes after a 9-1 season. Unfortunately, he couldn't win the 11 games they wanted with only 10 games on the schedule. I wonder how Penn State will deal with life after Paterno (as they must sometime in the forseeable future--he is over 70 years old)."}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Aug 28, 1999 (22:55)", "body": "We do not think about life after Paterno. It is too dire to think about. We shove our collective heads deeper in the sand and hope...and sing \"For the Glory of Old State...\" How do you think June Jones is going to do this year with his new guys and Von Appen's old leftovers?"}, {"response": 7, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Aug 28, 1999 (23:42)", "body": "People are looking for Mr. Jones to walk on water and I think they're bound to be disappointed, no matter what. A 4-7 season ought to be considered a success and people should be happy with it and let the man build a program. I hope the \"powers that be\" will let it happen, but I won't hold my breath waiting for fruition. The one good thing about life after Paterno is that whoever comes in does not have to build a program or name-recognition for the institution."}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Aug 29, 1999 (17:28)", "body": "Re JJ: I do not envy him with the miserable bunch of leftovers he has to work with. I think some serious attitude problems will need to be addressed before he can even begin to make a cohesive unit out of them. I hope those making up the shortfall in his salary (a cool million, was it?!) have enough patience to wait three years for him to get the sort of team he wants. Re: Paterno and Penn State -everyone knows who we are. We just are not accepted as a good team unless we prove it every single Saturday. Then they say the other team did not play up to its potential. Gimme a break! It is time to include Penn State with Notre Dame and all the rest of the Big Boys."}, {"response": 9, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Aug 29, 1999 (21:55)", "body": "I don't know why you would even think that people don't accept Penn State that way. I remember the last time I bet on Notre Dame to beat Penn State (must have been nearly 20 years ago when Paterno was a callow lad of fifty-something--I don't bet at all anymore) I went home with an empty wallet."}, {"response": 10, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Aug 29, 1999 (23:23)", "body": "Sorry for your loss...and happy for our win. Delighted to find you older and much wiser now! Those who respect Penn State either graduated from there and are very protective of its reputation, or they have bothered to notice our quiet accomplishments without the Golden Domes, Gophers or anything else."}, {"response": 11, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Aug 30, 1999 (12:38)", "body": "From 1976: Hugh Campbell, football coach at Whitworth College in Spokane, Wash., after his team had defeated Whitman 70-30: \"It wasn't as easy as you think. It's hard to stay awake that long.\""}, {"response": 12, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (22:26)", "body": "from John: Chicago Cubs outfielder Andre Dawson on being a role model: \"I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me.\" New Orleans Saint RB George Rogers when asked about the upcoming season: \"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first.\" And, upon hearing Joe Jacoby of the 'Skins say \"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl,\" Matt Millen of the Raiders said, \"To win, I'd run over Joe's Mom, too.\" Football commentator and former player Joe Theismann 1996: \"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.\" Oiler coach Bum Phillips: When asked by Bob Costas why he takes his wife on all the road trips, Phillips responded, \"Because she is too damn ugly to kiss good-bye.\" Senior basketball player at the University of Pittsburgh: \"I'm going to graduate on time, no matter how long it takes.\" Bill Peterson, a Florida State assistant football coach: \"You guys line up, alphabetically by height.\" And \"You guys pair up in groups of three then line up in a circle.\" A Clemson recruit Ray Forsythe, who was ineligible as a freshman because of academic requirements: \"I play football. I'm not trying to be professor. The tests don't seem to make sense to me, measuring your brain on stuff I haven't been through in school.\" Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson hooking up again with promoter Don King: \"Why would anyone expect him to come out smarter? He went to prison for three years, not Princeton.\" Stu Grimson, Chicago Blackhawks left wing, explaining why he keeps a color photo of himself above his locker: \"That's so when I forget how to spell my name, I can still find my @#%#%@ clothes.\" Shaquille O'Neal on whether he had visited the Parthenon during his visit to Greece: \"I can't really remember the names of the clubs that we went to.\" Shaquille O'Neal, on his lack of championships: \"I've won at every level, except college and pro.\" Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regimen of heavyweight Andrew Golota: \"He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.\" Pat Williams, Orlando Magic general manager, on his team's 7-27 record: \"We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. As general manager, I just can't figure out where else to play.\" (1992) Chuck Nevitt, North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to Coach Jim Valvano why he appeared nervous at practice: \"My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle or an aunt.\" (1982) Tommy Lasorda, Dodger manager, when asked what terms Mexican-born pitching sensation Fernando Valenzuela might settle for in his upcoming contract negotiations: \"He wants Texas back.\" (1981) Darrell Royal, Texas football coach, asked if the abnormal number of Longhorn injuries that season resulted from poor physical conditioning: \"One player was lost because he broke his nose. How do you go about getting a nose in condition for football?\" (1966) Mike McCormack, coach of the hapless Baltimore Colts after the team's co-captain, offensive guard Robert Pratt, pulled a hamstring running onto the field for the coin toss against St. Louis: \"I'm going to send the injured reserve players out for the toss next time.\"(1981) Steve Spurrier, Florida football coach, telling Gator fans that a fire at Auburn's football dorm had destroyed 20 books: \"But the real tragedy was that 15 hadn't been colored yet.\" (1991) Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints G.M., when asked after a loss what he thought of the refs: \"I'm not allowed to comment on lousy officiating.\" (1986) Alan Kulwicki, stock car racer, on racing Saturday nights as opposed to Sunday afternoons: \"It's basically the same, just darker.\" (1991) Lincoln Kennedy, Oakland Raiders tackle, on his decision not to vote: \"I was going to write myself in, but I was afraid I'd get shot.\"(1996) Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player: \"I told him, 'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?' He said, 'Coach, I don't know and I don't care.'\" (1991) Torrin Polk, University of Houston receiver, on his coach, John Jenkins: \"He treats us like men. He lets us wear earrings.\" (1991) Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, relating what he told a player who received four F's and one D: \"Son, looks to me like you're spending too much time on one subject.\" (1987)"}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Apr  4, 2000 (19:56)", "body": "http://promotions.go.com/espn/mascots/challenge.html The Nittany Lion won the mascot battle! It was so close.. 50.0 to 49.9. Could anything be closer? But, it's great that your mascot won and I'm very happy for Penn State! 56,763 people actually voted on this important issue. Thank you, Barbara. I voted, too *grin* sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 33, "subject": "figure skating", "response_count": 10, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Feb  9, 1997 (23:06)", "body": "In early January, Oksana Baiyul's car did a double lutz off a Connecticut country road at 2 am. She got hurt, probably not badly, the other occupant, a 30 year old man, suffered a cut; the accident is under investigation. Is she still a \"courageous orphan\" or a \"tarty little blond\"? She has filled out since the Olympics... She turned herself in to the Connecticut State Police. Seems the courageous orphan was shitfaced drunk when she crashed her Mercedes. Oh, and she's only 19; drinking age is 21, of course ... Her blood alcohol was .16. Legal limit for 21-year-olds is .08 For minors, you lose your license if you're above .02 She needed 12 stitches, but it looks like her injuries won't affect her career. The US Nationals will being (broadcast-wise) on 2/15, with coverage on 2/16 and 2/22. Exhibitions scheduled (so far) for 3/1; all on ABC. ABC is going to devote an hour or so to the European Championships, which were just completed. This should show up late afternoon on Saturday, 1/25 on the Wide World of Sports. The next big thing is US Nationals. ABC will have a preview of the event this Saturday (2/8) on WWOS. At this time it looks like the broadcasts will go as follows: Saturday, 2/15 Evening broadcast Sunday, 2/16 Afternon broadcast Saturday, 2/22 Afternoon broadcast (WWOS) Saturday, 3/1 Exhibitions (all above are competition)"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (13:20)", "body": "Anyone have the url for the Tonya Harding honeymoon website?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:00)", "body": "Not handy."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (14:49)", "body": "Attention: LIVE CHAT with Tonya Thursday Oct. 7 at noon! With RealVideo simulcast. Get all the info at http://www.oregonlive.com/special/tonya.html"}, {"response": 5, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (19:29)", "body": "people actually want to talk with her? How bizarre!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (00:36)", "body": "They want to ask her questions about her doublewide, about beauty and the beast, wrestling and pickemups."}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (01:07)", "body": "ah...not a deep probing intellectual exercise, then. Mighta guessed! There's lots of truely bored people out there...with nothing much working inside their heads...(I am such a snob about these things...lamentable!)"}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (01:13)", "body": "But, I truly enjoy figure skating as my substitute for classical Ballet which I grew up enjoying in NYC...I miss it, but Great figure skating is the next best thing and the music is always great. Thanks for the times and schedule. I shall plan my activities around watching it."}, {"response": 9, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (20:24)", "body": "I saw some old figure skating footage from Innsbruck on high def tv and it was really fun to watch this ancient footage (in tv years)."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr  2, 2006 (11:12)", "body": "From USA Today: Notes: U.S. bright future in figure skating CALGARY (AP) \ufffd A gold by a 16-year-old rising star and three bronze medals bode well for the future of U.S. figure skating, even though Sasha Cohen and the nation's top ice dancing team fell short of the world titles they were expected to win. Kimmie Meissner skated to a world championship, moving her to the top of the skating world heading to the '10 Winter Games. Kimmie Meissner skated to a world championship, moving her to the top of the skating world heading to the '10 Winter Games. Ben Margot, AP With Kimmie Meissner's stunning ascent to the World Figure Skating Championships title, and bronzes from ice dancers Tanith Belbin and Ben Agosto, Evan Lysacek in the men's event and Cohen in the women's competition, the United States won the most medals. And, with the exception of Cohen, the others already have made plans to pursue more championships right through the 2010 Vancouver Olympics. Meissner arrived well ahead of schedule \ufffd and at the expense of Cohen, the U.S. champion and a heavy favorite coming to Calgary. While Meissner sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 34, "subject": "Spring Virtual Football Pool", "response_count": 95, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug  5, 1997 (21:21)", "body": "This system is the same one that was invented by ralf@well.com and is being run by Michael R. Walsh (mrw@well.com). This will make it more interesting to have two communities running the same system. The football pool has been a real popular topic on the Spring for the last couple of years, this should make it even more interesting!"}, {"response": 2, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Aug  5, 1997 (22:49)", "body": "Odd. New bug perhaps?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Aug  5, 1997 (22:51)", "body": "Hmmm, I'd previously posted the following, but it failed to show up: So it'll be automated this year? Good, maybe it will turn out to be worthwhile for us this time around... Sign me up."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug  6, 1997 (06:19)", "body": "boyce2 has 7500 virtual dollars as do I. I've sent out notes to last years participants and I'll do some promoting of this. I'm going to see if the WELL guys who are doing this will let us use their automated system."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug  6, 1997 (14:12)", "body": "Actually we get our 7500 virtual dollars when we post our first bets. I'll be posting more details when I find out from ralf and from Michael Walsh on the WELL. By the way, Michael says don't give him any credit for inventing this, he's the current scorekeeper. It will be interesting to see how WELL vs. Spring comes out overall and on a per player average. Do you have any questions, Steve/boyce2?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 26, 1997 (09:34)", "body": "Lines for games the week of 09/01: Thursday - College Football CINNCINNATI 9 Tulsa OHIO STATE 29 Wyoming Saturday - College Football SYRACUSE 24.5 North Carolina State Virginia Tech 21 RUTGERS Louisville 3 KENTUCKY ALABAMA 16.5 Houston WASHINGTON ST 0.5 Ucla Miami Fla 14 BAYLOR FLORIDA 27 So Mississippi IOWA STATE 6 Oklahoma State MISS STATE 10 Memphis TENNESSEE 21.5 Texas Tech Minnesota 12.5 HAWAII WEST VIRGINIA 16 Marshall GEORGIA 35 Arkansas State NEBRASKA 56 Akron MIAMI OHIO 7 Ball State AIR FORCE 16.5 Idaho PITTSBURGH 7 SW Louisiana Nevada-Reno 7 COLORADO STATE MISSISSIPPI 14 Central Florida VANDERBILT 16 North Texas State LA TECH 8 Bowling Green UTAH 16.5 Utah State ARIZONA STATE 38 New Mexico State Sunday - NFL Cowboys 1 STEELERS BILLS 3 Vikings PATRIOTS 7 Chargers DOLPHINS 6 Colts LIONS 8 Falcons Eagles 3 GIANTS Raiders 3 OILERS BENGALS 7.5 Cardinals RAMS 4 Saints BRONCOS 7 Chiefs Jaguars 3 RAVENS Niners 6 BUCCANEERS SEAHAWKS 6 Jets PANTHERS 4 Redskins Monday - NFL PACKERS 14.5 Bears"}, {"response": 7, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Tue, Aug 26, 1997 (18:08)", "body": "5000 florida 100 Ohio State 10 Bowling Green"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug 27, 1997 (14:39)", "body": "overheard on the WELL: A new wrinkle on this Nevada/Colorado State line, the Reno paper reports today that the Overseas betting line for that game has Colorado State favored by 13! That's a 20 point difference! Very weird."}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug 27, 1997 (15:00)", "body": "Nevada Colrado State is off the board. Too much confusion."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 28, 1997 (06:55)", "body": "200 Nebraska 200 Syracuse 100 Wash St. 100 Cincinnati 100 Ohio State 100 W. Michigan 300 Cowboys 300 Niners 300 Packers 100 Steelers 100 Lions 100 Raiders"}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 28, 1997 (06:59)", "body": "For relativity, here are the first weeks standings on the WELL: Standings: RESULTS FOR THIS WEEK CUMULATIVE STANDINGS ode 2- 0 + 1000 ode 2- 0 8500 deadeye 1- 0 + 500 deadeye 1- 0 8000 rafeco 1- 0 + 500 rafeco 1- 0 8000 mrw 1- 1 + 450 mrw 1- 1 7950 swoopcat 1- 1 0 swoopcat 1- 1 7500 tkiriluk 1- 1 0 tkiriluk 1- 1 7500 sje 1- 1 - 250 sje 1- 1 7250 dhuey 0- 1 - 1000 dhuey 0- 1 6500 scraps 0- 2 - 1000 scraps 0- 2 6500 Results for games week of 08/25: Winner vs spread Loser spread score Northwestern Oklahoma - 6 24- 0 Syracuse Wisconsin - 8.5 34- 0 Thanks again to the statsmaster, mrw!"}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug 30, 1997 (19:38)", "body": "A few tips and clarifications of how this works. I'm quoting liberally from mrw on these. You can post as many bets as you like, as long as you have that many virtual dollars in your account. You can make bets on games right up through kickoff of the game concerned. If you accidentally bet more than you have, we just zero out the bets in reverse order until the total bets outstanding are equal to your current account. Bets are considered paid as of the game's completion, though I don't promise to repost standings immediately after games except when the week's action is done. (sometimes i'll post intermediate results, when time permits.) If, for example, you want to use Thursday's winnings to bet in sunday's games, be my guest. Just make sure you have it. On normal weekends i square the accounts after each day of play or at least I'll try. Till we get a volunteer stats person. It's easy to cancel a bet. Just bet the same amount on the opposing team."}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep  3, 1997 (09:23)", "body": "Results of the WELL's Poll. I'm in *second* place! How'd we do on the Spring poll boyce? Topic 864 [sports]: The 5th Annual WELL Virtual Football Pool! #93 of 98: the sound of an exploding sheep (mrw) Tue Sep 2 '97 (20:19) 32 lines Results from this week's college games: Winner Loser spread score CINNCINNATI tulsa - 9.0 34-24 wyoming OHIO STATE +29.0 10-24 OHIO U kent -15.0 31- 7 W MICHIGAN temple + 1.0 34-14 C MICHIGAN n illinois -16.0 44-10 uab KANSAS +25.0 0-24 n carolina st SYRACUSE +24.5 32-31 virginia tech RUTGERS -21.0 59-19 KENTUCKY louisville + 3.0 38-24 ALABAMA houston -16.5 42-17 WASHINGTON ST ucla - 0.5 37-34 miami fla BAYLOR -14.0 45-14 so mississippi FLORIDA +27.0 6-21 oklahoma state IOWA STATE + 6.0 21-14 memphis MISS STATE +10.0 10-13 TENNESSEE texas tech -21.5 52-17 HAWAII minnesota +12.5 17- 3 marshall WEST VIRGINIA +16.0 31-42 arkansas state GEORGIA +35.0 7-38 akron NEBRASKA +56.0 14-59 MIAMI OHIO ball state - 7.0 27-10 idaho AIR FORCE +16.5 10-14 PITTSBURGH sw louisiana - 7.0 45-13 central florida MISSISSIPPI +14.0 23-24 VANDERBILT n texas state -16.0 29-12 bowling green LA TECH + 8.0 23-30 utah state UTAH +16.5 21-14 new mexico st ARIZONA STATE +38.0 10-41 colorado state NEVADA + 7.0 45-13 Topic 864 [sports]: The 5th Annual WELL Virtual Football Pool! #94 of 98: the sound of an exploding sheep (mrw) Tue Sep 2 '97 (20:20) 18 lines Results from this week's NFL games: Winner Loser spread score cowboys STEELERS - 1.0 37- 7 vikings BILLS + 3.0 34-13 PATRIOTS chargers - 7.0 41- 7 DOLPHINS colts - 6.0 16-10 PUSH LIONS falcons - 8.0 28-17 GIANTS eagles + 3.0 31-17 OILERS raiders + 3.0 24-21 cardinals BENGALS + 7.5 21-24 RAMS saints - 4.0 38-24 BRONCOS chiefs - 7.0 19- 3 RAVENS jaguars + 3.0 27-28 BUCCANEERS niners + 6.0 13- 6 jets SEAHAWKS + 6.0 41- 3 redskins PANTHERS + 4.0 24-10 bears PACKERS +14.5 24-38 Topic 864 [sports]: The 5th Annual WELL Virtual Football Pool! #95 of 98: the sound of an exploding sheep (mrw) Tue Sep 2 '97 (21:31) 33 lines Well, this was a week to take a big bath, especially those of us who believed in the Niners, the Raiders, the Steelers, Syracuse, Nebraska... RESULTS FOR THIS WEEK CURRENT STANDINGS anav 1- 0- 0 +2500 anav 1- 0- 0 10000 terry 1- 0- 0 +1000 terry 1- 0- 0 8500 dhuey 2- 1- 0 + 750 ode 7- 7- 0 8250 nycjag 1- 1- 0 + 500 rafeco 4- 3- 0 8000 tkiriluk 8- 8- 0 0 nycjag 1- 1- 0 8000 sje 7- 7- 1 0 deadeye 4- 4- 1 8000 rmj 1- 1- 0 0 tkiriluk 9- 9- 0 7500 rafeco 3- 3- 0 0 rmj 1- 1- 0 7500 jrc 3- 3- 0 0 jrc 3- 3- 0 7500 hll 1- 1- 0 0 hll 1- 1- 0 7500 deadeye 3- 4- 1 0 chips 5- 5- 1 7500 chips 5- 5- 1 0 sje 8- 8- 1 7250 ode 5- 7- 0 - 250 dhuey 2- 2- 0 7250 publish 1- 2- 0 - 400 publish 1- 2- 0 7100 samiam 1- 2- 0 - 500 samiam 1- 2- 0 7000 mlouis 2- 3- 0 - 500 mlouis 2- 3- 0 7000 innominate 1- 2- 0 - 500 innominate 1- 2- 0 7000 gmar 2- 3- 0 - 500 gmar 2- 3- 0 7000 mz 0- 1- 0 -1000 mz 0- 1- 0 6500 lala 0- 2- 0 -1000 lala 0- 2- 0 6500 chuck 3- 6- 1 -1250 chuck 3- 6- 1 6250 swoopcat 3- 5- 0 -1500 swoopcat 4- 6- 0 6000 lagoon 1- 3- 0 -1500 lagoon 1- 3- 0 6000 mrw 6- 7- 0 -3200 mrw 7- 8- 0 4750 scraps 2- 5- 0 -4500 scraps 2- 7- 0 2000 Lines posted later tonight, if I can find a reliable source for the Niners- Rams. Topic 864 [sports]: The 5th Annual WELL Virtual Football Pool! #96 of 98: the sound of an exploding sheep (mrw) Wed Sep 3 '97 (00:13) 75 lines Here are this week's lines. You can remind yourself of these lines at any time by typing \"college\" or \"pro\" at any prompt here in sports. Home team is in CAPS. Thursday - College Football auburn 3.0 VIRGINIA arizona 3.0 OREGON Friday - College Football SAN DIEGO ST 4.0 navy Saturday - College Football NO CAROLINA 28.0 indiana boston college 11.5 TEMPLE WEST VIRGINIA 7.0 east carolina MISSISSIPPI ST 4.5 kentucky COLORADO 15.5 colorado state KANSAS 10.5 texas christian NOTRE DAME 19.5 georgia tech LOUISVILLE 4.0 utah washington 6.5 BYU tennessee 14.0 UCLA syracuse 10.0 OKLAHOMA PENN STATE 31.5 pittsburgh HOUSTON 2.0 california northwestern 14.0 WAKE FOREST STANFORD 30.0 san jose state WYOMING 13.0 iowa state so mississippi 3.5 ILLINOIS TEXAS 38.0 rutgers ARKANSAS 22.0 ne louisiana MISSISSIPPI 4.5 so methodist n carolina st 7.0 DUKE florida state 12.5 USC RICE 6.0 air force LSU 36.0 utep cincinnati 8.5 TULANE baylor 0.0 FRESNO STATE WISCONSIN 36.0 boise state SO CAROLINA 18.5 central florida FLORIDA 41.0 c michigan MISSOURI 16.0 e michigan ARMY 5.0 marshall miami ohio 5.0 BOWLING GREEN NEW MEXICO 22.5 new mexico st OREGON STATE 11.0 north texas st MARYLAND 12.5 ohio u oklahoma state 5.5 SW LOUISIANA TOLEDO 8.0 purdue MICHIGAN 27.0 w michigan Sunday - NFL STEELERS 5.5 redskins niners 4.5 RAMS DOLPHINS 6.0 oilers panthers 3.0 FALCONS vikings 1.0 BEARS patriots 4.0 COLTS LIONS 4.5 buccaneers bengals 1.0 RAVENS JETS 4.5 bills chargers 4.5 SAINTS packers 7.5 EAGLES broncos 5.0 SEAHAWKS giants 5.5 JAGUARS cowboys 9.5 CARDINALS Monday - NFL"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep  3, 1997 (09:24)", "body": "Monday - NFL RAIDERS 5.0 chiefs"}, {"response": 15, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Fri, Sep  5, 1997 (07:18)", "body": "I am putting all 7500 of my virtual dollars on Rutgers even though I am a big UT fan."}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep  6, 1997 (21:01)", "body": "The score, pending audit by boyce (I'm not the world's best mathematician and boyce is a bona fide rocket scientist): terry 6700 boyce 2410 George Frimpter will go on the board after the Texas game in progress. He put everything on Texas."}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep  6, 1997 (21:40)", "body": "The results as of the end of the Texas game: legaffe 15000 terry"}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep  6, 1997 (21:42)", "body": "The results as of the end of the Texas game: legaffe 15000 terry 6700 boyce2 2410 Again, all this is pending audit by boyce and legaffe. I've got an automated script but we don't have enough players yet. I'm working on getting some more. Not to late to make some pro picks."}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  8, 1997 (15:15)", "body": "Results for college games: Winner Loser spread score auburn VIRGINIA - 3.0 28-17 OREGON arizona + 3.0 16- 9 SAN DIEGO ST navy - 4.0 45-31 indiana NO CAROLINA +28.0 6-23 TEMPLE boston college +11.5 28-21 WEST VIRGINIA east carolina - 7.0 24-17 PUSH MISSISSIPPI ST kentucky - 4.5 35-27 colorado state COLORADO +15.5 21-31 texas christian KANSAS +10.5 10-17 georgia tech NOTRE DAME +19.5 13-17 utah LOUISVILLE + 4.0 27-21 washington BYU - 6.5 42-20 UCLA tennessee +14.0 24-30 OKLAHOMA syracuse +10.0 36-34 pittsburgh PENN STATE +31.5 17-34 california HOUSTON + 2.0 35- 3 WAKE FOREST northwestern +14.0 27-20 san jose state STANFORD +30.0 12-28 WYOMING iowa state -13.0 56-10 so mississippi ILLINOIS - 3.5 24- 7 rutgers TEXAS +38.0 14-48 ne louisiana ARKANSAS +22.0 16-28 MISSISSIPPI so methodist - 4.5 23-15 n carolina st DUKE - 7.0 45-14 USC florida state +12.5 7-14 air force RICE + 6.0 41-12 LSU utep -36.0 55- 3 TULANE cincinnati + 8.5 31-17 baylor FRESNO STATE - 0.0 37-35 boise state WISCONSIN +36.0 24-28 central florida SO CAROLINA +18.5 31-33 FLORIDA c michigan -41.0 82- 6 MISSOURI e michigan -16.0 44-24 marshall ARMY + 5.0 35-25 BOWLING GREEN miami ohio + 5.0 28-21 NEW MEXICO new mexico st -22.5 61-24 OREGON STATE north texas st -11.0 33- 7 ohio u MARYLAND +12.5 21-14 oklahoma state SW LOUISIANA - 5.5 31- 7 TOLEDO purdue - 8.0 36-22 MICHIGAN STATE w michigan -27.0 42-10 unlv NEVADA +18.0 14-31 Winner Loser spread score redskins STEELERS + 5.5 13-14 RAMS niners + 4.5 12-15 oilers DOLPHINS + 6.0 13-16 FALCONS panthers + 3.0 6- 9 PUSH vikings BEARS - 1.0 27-24 patriots COLTS - 4.0 31- 6 buccaneers LIONS + 4.5 24-17 RAVENS bengals + 1.0 23-10 bills JETS + 4.5 28-22 chargers SAINTS - 4.5 20- 6 EAGLES packers + 7.5 10- 9 broncos SEAHAWKS - 5.0 35-14 JAGUARS giants + 5.5 40-13 CARDINALS cowboys + 9.5 25-22"}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep  9, 1997 (07:44)", "body": "The WELL's pool: RESULTS FOR 9/02-9/08 CURRENT STANDINGS chuck 9- 3- 0 +3200 deadeye 10- 11- 1 10400 innominate 5- 1- 0 +2500 innominate 6- 3- 0 9500 deadeye 6- 7- 0 +2400 chuck 12- 9- 1 9450 publish 3- 0- 1 +2100 publish 4- 2- 1 9200 scraps 1- 0- 0 +1500 jrc 9- 7- 0 8300 lala 3- 1- 0 +1000 rmj 3- 3- 0 8000 jrc 6- 4- 0 + 800 sh 3- 2- 0 7750 rmj 2- 2- 0 + 500 tkiriluk 16- 15- 1 7500 mrw 2- 2- 0 + 500 lala 3- 3- 0 7500 lagoon 3- 2- 0 + 400 terry 2- 1- 0 7500 sh 3- 2- 0 + 250 hll 1- 1- 0 7500 sje 9- 7- 1 + 50 sje 17- 15- 2 7300 tkiriluk 7- 6- 1 0 justride 3- 3- 0 7200 mz 2- 2- 0 0 samiam 1- 2- 0 7000 justride 3- 3- 0 - 300 rafeco 10- 12- 0 6500 swoopcat 3- 3- 1 - 500 gmar 4- 6- 0 6500 gmar 2- 3- 0 - 500 mz 2- 3- 0 6500 terry 1- 1- 0 -1000 nycjag 1- 3- 0 6500 dhuey 0- 1- 0 -1250 anav 1- 2- 0 6500 rafeco 6- 9- 0 -1500 lagoon 4- 5- 0 6400 mlouis 2- 4- 0 -1500 ode 8- 16- 0 6250 nycjag 0- 2- 0 -1500 dhuey 2- 3- 0 6000 ode 1- 9- 0 -2000 swoopcat 7- 9- 1 5500 chips 2- 6- 1 -3500 mlouis 4- 7- 0 5500 anav 0- 2- 0 -3500 mrw 9- 10- 0 5250 chips 7- 11- 2 4000 scraps 3- 7- 0 3500 College football games 09/11-13 Thursday - College football alabama 13.0 VANDERBILT Saturday - College football AIR FORCE 22.5 unlv ARIZONA 29.5 uab arkansas 6.5 SO METHODIST AUBURN 19.5 mississippi C MICHIGAN 15.0 boise state colorado state 14.0 UTAH STATE EAST CAROLINA pick wake forest FLORIDA STATE 32.0 maryland GEORGIA 6.0 so carolina HOUSTON 3.0 pittsburgh INDIANA 13.0 ball state IOWA 24.0 tulsa KANSAS 2.5 missouri KANSAS STATE 22.5 ohio u LOUISVILLE 6.0 illinois MIAMI FLA 9.5 arizona state MIAMI OHIO 19.0 akron MICHIGAN 1.0 colorado MICHIGAN STATE 19.0 memphis MINNESOTA 7.5 iowa state MINNESOTA 8.5 iowa state NAVY 19.0 rutgers NEBRASKA 42.0 central florida new mexico 18.5 UTEP NO CAROLINA 13.0 stanford NO CAROLINA ST 2.5 clemson NORTHWESTERN 17.0 duke notre dame 19.0 PURDUE OHIO STATE 38.0 bowling green OKLAHOMA STATE 7.5 fresno state PENN STATE 37.0 temple rice 3.5 TULANE TEXAS TECH 25.5 sw louisiana TOLEDO 8.5 e michigan USC 7.0 washington st utah 4.0 TEXAS CHRISTIAN VIRGINIA TECH 2.5 syracuse WASHINGTON 22.0 san diego state west virginia 6.5 BOSTON COLLEGE wisconsin 15.0 SAN JOSE STATE wyoming 12.0 HAWAII No lines yet on LSU @ Miss St, Oregon @ Nevada, and Texas @ UCLA. Lines for NFL games 09/14-15 Sunday - NFL BEARS 2.5 lions BRONCOS 13.0 rams CHARGERS pick panthers CHIEFS 5.0 bills COLTS 3.0 seahawks GIANTS 3.0 ravens NINERS 10.5 saints PACKERS 12.5 dolphins PATRIOTS 9.0 jets raiders 2.5 FALCONS REDSKINS 8.5 cardinals VIKINGS 4.5 buccaneers Monday - NFL COWBOYS 8.5 eagles Home team is in CAPS."}, {"response": 21, "author": "bob", "date": "Sat, Sep 13, 1997 (12:55)", "body": "3750 UCLA"}, {"response": 22, "author": "bob", "date": "Sat, Sep 13, 1997 (12:55)", "body": "7500 TEXAS"}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 14, 1997 (18:34)", "body": "Full college results (compliments of mrw@well.com): Winner Loser spread score alabama VANDERBILT -13.0 20- 0 arizona state MIAMI FLA + 9.5 23-12 BOSTON COLLEGE west virginia + 6.5 31-24 bowling green OHIO STATE +38.0 13-44 C MICHIGAN boise state -15.0 44-26 central florida NEBRASKA +42.0 24-38 clemson NO CAROLINA ST + 2.5 19-17 duke NORTHWESTERN +17.0 20-24 e michigan TOLEDO + 8.5 35-38 EAST CAROLINA wake forest + 0.0 25-24 FLORIDA STATE maryland -32.0 50- 7 GEORGIA so carolina - 6.0 31-15 INDIANA ball state -13.0 33- 6 IOWA tulsa -24.0 54-16 KANSAS missouri - 2.5 15- 7 LOUISVILLE illinois - 6.0 26-14 marshall KENT -21.0 42-17 MIAMI OHIO akron -19.0 49-20 MICHIGAN colorado - 1.0 27- 3 MICHIGAN STATE memphis -19.0 51-21 MINNESOTA iowa state - 7.5 53-29 mississippi AUBURN +19.5 9-19 N ILLINOIS w michigan +13.5 13-21 NAVY rutgers -19.0 36- 7 ne louisiana LOUISIANA TECH +10.0 16-17 NEVADA oregon + 4.0 20-24 PUSH ohio u KANSAS STATE +22.5 20-23 OKLAHOMA STATE fresno state - 7.5 35- 0 PENN STATE temple -37.0 52-10 pittsburgh HOUSTON + 3.0 35-24 PURDUE notre dame +19.0 28-17 rice TULANE - 3.5 30-24 SO METHODIST arkansas + 6.5 31- 9 stanford NO CAROLINA +13.0 17-28 TEXAS TECH sw louisiana -25.5 59-14 uab ARIZONA +29.5 10-24 ucla TEXAS - 9.5 66- 3 unlv AIR FORCE +22.5 24-25 utah TEXAS CHRISTIAN - 4.0 32-18 UTAH STATE colorado state +14.0 24-35 UTEP new mexico +18.5 20-38 VIRGINIA TECH syracuse - 2.5 31- 3 WASHINGTON san diego state -22.0 36- 3 washington st USC + 7.0 28-21 wisconsin SAN JOSE STATE -15.0 56-10 wyoming HAWAII -12.0 35- 6 Interim standings after yesterday's college games: RESULTS FOR 09/11-13 CUMULATIVE RESULTS W L T +$ W L T $ riding terry 1- 0- 0 +5000 terry 3- 1- 0 12500 mrw 2- 0- 0 +3700 innominate 7- 3- 0 9700 [ 3000/ 3] tkiriluk 10- 6- 1 +1700 chuck 12- 9- 1 9450 [ 2900/12] scraps 2- 1- 1 +1000 deadeye 14- 15- 1 9300 [ 4500/ 4] jrc 4- 3- 0 + 850 tkiriluk 26- 21- 2 9200 [ 100/ 1] ode 4- 4- 0 + 500 publish 4- 2- 1 9200 innominate 1- 0- 0 + 200 jrc 13- 10- 0 9150 [ 3000/ 3] lala 1- 0- 0 + 100 hll 2- 1- 0 9000 rmj 1- 0- 0 + 50 mrw 11- 10- 0 8950 [ 1500/ 3] sh 0- 0- 0 0 rmj 4- 3- 0 8050 [ 7950/ 3] mz 0- 0- 0 0 sh 3- 2- 0 7750 [ 1500/ 3] maj 0- 0- 0 0 lala 4- 3- 0 7600 [ 2250/ 7] lagoon 0- 0- 0 0 maj 0- 0- 0 7500 [ 2500/ 3] justride 0- 0- 0 0 sje 17- 15- 2 7300 gmar 0- 0- 0 0 justride 3- 3- 0 7200 [ 1000/ 2] dhuey 0- 0- 0 0 samiam 1- 2- 0 7000 chuck 0- 0- 0 0 ode 12- 20- 0 6750 [ 2000/ 5] chips 0- 0- 0 0 rafeco 10- 12- 0 6500 swoopcat 0- 1- 0 -1000 mz 2- 3- 0 6500 [ 6500/ 1] deadeye 4- 4- 0 -1100 gmar 4- 6- 0 6500 [ 1700/ 4] nycjag 0- 1- 0 -2000 anav 1- 2- 0 6500 jstraw 0- 1- 0 -5000 lagoon 4- 5- 0 6400 [ 1250/ 4] dhuey 2- 3- 0 6000 [ 2000/ 1] mlouis 4- 7- 0 5500 swoopcat 7- 10- 1 4500 [ 4500/ 7] scraps 5- 8- 1 4500 nycjag 1- 4- 0 4500 chips 7- 11- 2 4000 [ 4000/ 2] jstraw 0- 1- 0 2500 The \"riding\" column indicates the amount and number of bets currently riding on games not yet played. Results for Sunday afternoon NFL games: Winner Loser spread score cardinals REDSKINS + 8.5 13-19 ravens GIANTS + 3.0 24-23 CHIEFS bills - 5.0 22-16 lions BEARS + 2.5 32- 7 dolphins PACKERS +12.5 18-23 raiders FALCONS - 2.5 36-31 buccaneers VIKINGS + 4.5 28-14 panthers CHARGERS - 0.0 26- 7 NINERS saints -10.5 33- 7 BRONCOS rams -13.0 35-14 seahawks COLTS + 3.0 31- 3 Again, thanks to the the undefatigable mrw@well.com for being a primo stats provider!"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 14, 1997 (18:38)", "body": "Spring poll standings (as yet to be audited): legaffe 20000 terry 6700 bob 3750 boyce2 2410 Haven't heard from boyce, we need his audit of the standings to make it official, good chance I've screwed it up. legaffe is the leader of the WELL/Spring combined results."}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 16, 1997 (05:45)", "body": "Stats courtesy of mrw@well.com Results for this week's games: RESULTS 09/11-15 CURRENT STANDINGS W L T +$ W L T $ terry 3- 0- 0 +7500 terry 5- 1- 0 15000 mz 1- 0- 0 +6500 deadeye 18- 15- 1 13800 mrw 5- 1- 0 +5800 mz 3- 3- 0 13000 rmj 3- 1- 0 +4000 innominate 10- 3- 0 12700 chips 2- 0- 0 +4000 jrc 16- 10- 0 12150 jrc 7- 3- 0 +3850 rmj 6- 4- 0 12000 deadeye 8- 4- 0 +3400 mrw 14- 11- 0 11050 innominate 4- 0- 0 +3200 hll 3- 1- 0 10500 swoopcat 6- 2- 0 +2500 lala 10- 4- 0 9350 dhuey 1- 0- 0 +2000 tkiriluk 27- 21- 2 9300 lala 7- 1- 0 +1850 publish 4- 2- 1 9200 tkiriluk 11- 6- 1 +1800 chuck 17- 16- 1 8350 hll 1- 0- 0 +1500 sh 5- 3- 0 8250 scraps 2- 1- 1 +1000 swoopcat 13- 11- 1 8000 ode 6- 6- 0 + 750 chips 9- 11- 2 8000 gmar 3- 1- 0 + 700 dhuey 3- 3- 0 8000 sh 2- 1- 0 + 500 maj 2- 1- 0 8000 maj 2- 1- 0 + 500 ode 15- 22- 0 7250 sje 6- 7- 0 - 500 gmar 7- 7- 0 7200 lagoon 1- 3- 0 - 850 samiam 1- 2- 0 7000 justride 0- 2- 0 -1000 sje 23- 22- 2 6800 chuck 5- 7- 0 -1100 rafeco 10- 12- 0 6500 nycjag 0- 1- 0 -2000 anav 1- 2- 0 6500 jstraw 0- 1- 0 -5000 justride 3- 5- 0 6200 lagoon 5- 8- 0 5550 mlouis 4- 7- 0 5500 scraps 5- 8- 1 4500 nycjag 1- 4- 0 4500 jstraw 0- 1- 0 2500 College football games 09/18-20 Home team is in CAPS Thursday - College Football miami fla 16.0 PITTSBURGH Saturday - College Football ALABAMA 18.0 arkansas ARIZONA STATE 8.0 byu boston college 14.5 RUTGERS CALIFORNIA 4.0 oklahoma CINCINNATI 3.5 kansas COLORADO STATE 12.0 air force EAST CAROLINA 1.5 so carolina FLORIDA 4.0 tennessee florida state 16.5 CLEMSON GEORGIA 29.5 ne louisiana georgia tech 7.0 WAKE FOREST INDIANA 2.0 kentucky iowa 26.0 IOWA STATE LSU 5.5 auburn MEMPHIS 1.5 minnesota MICHIGAN 25.5 baylor missouri 5.0 TULSA north carolina 22.5 MARYLAND NORTHWESTERN 6.5 rice NOTRE DAME 2.0 michigan state OHIO STATE 17.5 arizona OREGON 16.5 fresno state penn state 21.0 LOUISVILLE SO METHODIST pick navy stanford 11.5 OREGON STATE SYRACUSE 22.5 tulane UNLV 3.0 hawaii UTAH 27.0 utep VANDERBILT 7.0 texas christian virginia tech 23.5 TEMPLE WASHINGTON 3.0 nebraska washington state 10.0 ILLINOIS WISCONSIN 8.5 san diego state WYOMING 28.5 san jose state No line yet on Army @ Duke Lines for NFL games 09/21-22 Home team is in CAPS Sunday - NFL BILLS 6.0 colts BRONCOS 11.5 bengals BUCCANEERS 3.5 dolphins JETS 1.5 raiders lions 5.0 SAINTS NINERS 15.0 falcons OILERS 3.5 ravens PACKERS 12.5 vikings PANTHERS 5.0 chiefs PATRIOTS 13.0 bears RAMS 3.0 giants SEAHAWKS 5.0 chargers Monday - NFL JAGUARS 3.5 steelers"}, {"response": 26, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Tue, Sep 23, 1997 (18:03)", "body": "5000 texas"}, {"response": 27, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Tue, Sep 23, 1997 (18:05)", "body": "15000 texas"}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 28, 1997 (09:25)", "body": "Results for College Football, week of 0929 Winner Loser spread score ALABAMA so mississippi - 7.0 27-13 AUBURN central florida -17.0 41-14 cincinnati BOSTON COLLEGE + 1.0 24- 6 DUKE navy +11.0 26-17 e michigan C MICHIGAN + 3.0 31-24 florida KENTUCKY -22.0 55-28 GEORGIA TECH clemson + 0.0 23-20 houston MINNESOTA + 7.0 45-43 indiana WISCONSIN +14.0 26-27 IOWA illinois -28.0 38-10 PUSH KANSAS STATE bowling green -26.0 58- 0 louisiana tech ARKANSAS +11.5 13-17 LSU akron -42.0 56- 0 marshall BALL STATE -13.0 42-16 maryland TEMPLE - 1.5 24-21 miami ohio ARMY + 3.5 38-14 MISSISSIPPI vanderbilt - 3.0 15- 3 MISSISSIPPI ST so carolina + 2.5 37-17 NORTH CAROLINA virginia -14.5 48-20 NORTH TEXAS texas a&m +31.0 10-36 notre dame MICHIGAN +14.0 14-21 ohio state MISSOURI -15.5 31-10 OHIO U w michigan -14.0 31- 7 OKLAHOMA louisville - 7.5 35-14 OKLAHOMA STATE ne louisiana -20.5 38- 7 OREGON STATE arizona state +10.5 10-13 PURDUE northwestern - 3.0 21- 9 san diego state AIR FORCE + 8.0 18-24 SO METHODIST byu +12.0 16-19 STANFORD oregon - 8.5 58-49 texas RICE - 0.0 38-31 TOLEDO nevada + 1.0 31-13 uab SW LOUISIANA - 7.0 42- 7 UCLA arizona - 8.5 40-27 usc CALIFORNIA - 3.0 27-17 UTEP new mexico st - 3.0 24-16 VIRGINIA TECH arkansas state -38.5 50- 0 WAKE FOREST no carolina st + 6.0 19-18 WASHINGTON STATE boise state -39.0 58- 0 west virginia MIAMI FLA + 8.5 28-17 wyoming COLORADO +15.0 19-20 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 28, 1997 (09:52)", "body": "Current standings as of 9/28/97 40000 legaffe 3750 bob 2490 boyce2 1700 terry"}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 28, 1997 (20:12)", "body": "Results for NFL games, week of 0929 Winner Loser spread score cardinals BUCCANEERS + 7.5 18-19 CHARGERS ravens - 1.5 21-17 COWBOYS bears -14.0 27- 3 FALCONS broncos +10.5 21-29 GIANTS saints - 5.0 14- 9 PUSH jets BENGALS + 4.0 31-14 LIONS packers + 7.5 26-15 RAIDERS rams - 7.0 35-17 REDSKINS jaguars - 2.0 24-12 seahawks CHIEFS + 4.5 17-20 STEELERS oilers - 6.5 37-24"}, {"response": 31, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 28, 1997 (20:15)", "body": "Standings: 40000 legaffe 3750 bob 2490 boyce2 1700 terry"}, {"response": 32, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 29, 1997 (23:38)", "body": "Combined WELL/Spring standings CURRENT STANDINGS W L T +$ riding terry (well) 8- 3- 0 40000 legaffe 4- 0- 0 40000 rmj 12- 7- 0 39750 innominate 13- 5- 0 26150 mz 5- 5- 0 23000 deadeye 30- 22- 2 13750 scraps 11- 11- 2 13000 jrc 23- 17- 0 12400 hll 4- 1- 0 12000 publish 10- 7- 1 9350 maj 12- 14- 0 8500 lala 11- 9- 0 7850 [ 1500/ 1] ode 32- 39- 1 7750 [ 2500/ 1] chuck 28- 28- 1 7600 [ 450/ 1] swoopcat 22- 23- 2 7500 [ 3500/ 1] gmar 13- 11- 0 7200 [ 1000/ 1] samiam 1- 2- 0 7000 [ 250/ 1] sje 39- 41- 2 6500 [ 250/ 1] rafeco 10- 12- 0 6500 sh 6- 7- 0 5750 [ 2000/ 1] justride 4- 8- 0 5500 jstraw 1- 1- 0 5000 lagoon 5- 10- 0 4550 anav 1- 3- 0 4000 tkiriluk 42- 44- 2 3800 bob 0- 1- 0 3750 mrw 28- 24- 0 3150 [ 850/ 1] nycjag 1- 5- 0 3000 chips 14- 19- 2 3000 [ 2000/ 1] mlouis 5- 10- 0 2500 boyce 2490 terry (spring) 1700 dhuey 3- 5- 0 1300"}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 30, 1997 (20:30)", "body": "Lines for College Football Games 10/03-05 Thursday-College utah 9.5 FRESNO STATE Friday-College BYU 17.0 utah state Saturday-College alabama 6.5 KENTUCKY ARIZONA 10.0 san diego state ARKANSAS STATE 3.0 sw louisiana auburn 7.0 SO CAROLINA california 8.0 LOUISIANA TECH CENTRAL FLORIDA 22.0 kent c michigan 6.0 AKRON CINCINNATI 11.5 memphis CLEMSON 32.5 utep COLORADO 3.5 texas a&m COLORADO STATE 29.0 hawaii FLORIDA 34.5 arkansas FLORIDA STATE 21.5 miami fla GEORGIA 11.0 mississippi st IDAHO 6.5 north texas lsu 15.5 VANDERBILT MARYLAND 4.0 duke michigan 10.0 INDIANA MICHIGAN STATE 24.0 minnesota MISSOURI 17.0 iowa state NEBRASKA 21.0 kansas state NEW MEXICO 7.0 so methodist north carolina 25.0 TEXAS CHRISTIAN notre dame 1.0 STANFORD oklahoma 3.0 KANSAS OHIO STATE 4.0 iowa ohio u 8.0 E MICHIGAN OREGON STATE 18.0 san jose state penn state 25.5 ILLINOIS pittsburgh 6.0 TEMPLE tulsa 10.0 RICE SO MISSSISSIPPI 14.0 louisville SYRACUSE 14.5 east carolina TENNESSEE 26.0 mississippi texas 7.0 OKLAHOMA STATE texas tech 3.0 BAYLOR TULANE 6.0 army UCLA 24.5 houston VIRGINIA 10.0 wake forest WASHINGTON 15.0 arizona state washington state 7.5 OREGON WEST VIRGINIA 28.0 rutgers W MICHIGAN 1.0 ball state wisconsin 3.5 NORTHWESTERN WYOMING 17.0 montana No line for Georgia Tech @ Boston College No line for UNLV @ USC Lines for NFL games 10/05-06 Home team is in CAPS Sunday-NFL BEARS 3.0 saints BILLS 3.5 lions CARDINALS 1.0 vikings cowboys 7.0 GIANTS DOLPHINS 3.0 chiefs EAGLES 3.0 redskins JAGUARS 7.0 bengals jets 3.0 COLTS PACKERS 8.5 buccaneers RAIDERS 7.0 chargers SEAHAWKS 5.5 oilers steelers 2.0 RAVENS Monday-NFL BRONCOS 4.5 patriots"}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  7, 1997 (19:26)", "body": "Lines for College Football Games 10/09-11 Thursday-College syracuse 32.0 RUTGERS Saturday-College ARIZONA STATE 2.5 usc AUBURN 23.0 louisiana tech BOISE STATE 3.0 new mexico st BOWLING GREEN 4.0 w michigan byu 2.5 RICE CINCINNATI 20.0 uab CLEMSON 6.0 virginia colorado 3.0 OKLAHOMA STATE colorado state 21.5 SAN JOSE STATE E MICHIGAN 3.5 ball state florida state 33.0 DUKE fresno state 7.0 HAWAII GEORGIA TECH 5.5 no carolina st LOUISVILLE pick tulane miami ohio 18.0 KENT MARSHALL 29.0 akron MICHIGAN 23.5 northwestern michigan state 18.5 INDIANA MISSISSIPPI ST 19.0 ne louisiana NAVY 0.5 air force nebraska 38.0 BAYLOR NORTH CAROLINA 23.0 wake forest notre dame 11.0 PITTSBURGH PENN STATE 6.5 ohio state purdue 4.0 MINNESOTA SAN DIEGO STATE 3.5 new mexico SO CAROLINA 1.5 kentucky so mississippi 9.0 EAST CAROLINA stanford 3.5 ARIZONA TENNESSEE 9.5 georgia TEXAS 4.5 oklahoma TEXAS A&M 32.0 iowa state TEXAS TECH 9.0 kansas toledo 11.0 C MICHIGAN TULSA 14.0 utep ucla 11.5 OREGON UNLV 7.0 texas christian UTAH 7.0 so methodist vanderbilt 21.0 NO ILLINOIS VIRGINIA TECH 18.5 boston college washington 16.0 CALIFORNIA WISCONSIN 13.5 illinois wyoming 8.5 NEVADA No line for Florida @ LSU No line for Missouri @ Kansas State No line for West Virginia @ Maryland No line for Utah State @ Oregon State Topic 864 [sports]: The 5th Annual WELL Virtual Football Pool! #536 of 550: the sound of an exploding sheep (mrw) Mon Oct 6 '97 (21:50) 20 lines Lines for NFL games 10/12-13 Home team is in CAPS Sunday-NFL packers 11.0 BEARS BUCCANEERS 5.5 lions CARDINALS 4.0 giants JAGUARS 3.0 eagles JETS 3.0 dolphins NINERS 14.0 rams OILERS 2.0 bengals PATRIOTS 10.0 bills SAINTS 2.0 falcons STEELERS 10.5 colts VIKINGS 3.5 panthers Monday-NFL cowboys 3.0 REDSKINS"}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  7, 1997 (19:27)", "body": "40000 legaffe"}, {"response": 36, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Tue, Oct  7, 1997 (19:37)", "body": "40,000 Oklahoma"}, {"response": 37, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 12, 1997 (10:37)", "body": "Topic 864 [sports]: The 5th Annual WELL Virtual Football Pool! #578 of 579: the sound of an exploding sheep (mrw) Sun Oct 12 '97 (00:00) 54 lines Results for College Football, week of 1013 Winner Loser spread score air force NAVY + 0.5 10- 7 ARIZONA stanford + 3.5 28-22 ARIZONA STATE usc - 2.5 35- 7 AUBURN louisiana tech -23.0 49-13 BAYLOR nebraska +38.0 21-49 BOISE STATE new mexico st - 3.0 52-10 boston college VIRGINIA TECH +18.5 7-17 colorado state SAN JOSE STATE -21.5 55-20 DUKE florida state +33.0 27-51 E MICHIGAN ball state - 3.5 38-32 GEORGIA TECH no carolina st - 5.5 27-17 KANSAS STATE missouri -11.0 41-11 LSU florida +15.0 28-21 MARSHALL akron -29.0 52-17 miami ohio KENT -18.0 62-26 michigan state INDIANA -18.5 38- 6 ne louisiana MISSISSIPPI ST +19.0 10-24 NEVADA wyoming + 8.5 30-34 new mexico SAN DIEGO STATE + 3.5 36-21 NO ILLINOIS vanderbilt +21.0 7-17 northwestern MICHIGAN +23.5 6-23 notre dame PITTSBURGH -11.0 45-21 ohio state PENN STATE + 6.5 27-31 oklahoma TEXAS + 4.5 24-27 OKLAHOMA STATE colorado + 3.0 33-29 OREGON ucla +11.5 31-39 purdue MINNESOTA - 4.0 59-43 RICE byu + 2.5 27-14 SO CAROLINA kentucky - 1.5 38-24 so methodist UTAH + 7.0 20-19 so mississippi EAST CAROLINA - 9.0 23-13 syracuse RUTGERS -32.0 50- 3 TENNESSEE georgia - 9.5 38-13 TEXAS A&M iowa state -32.0 56-17 texas christian UNLV + 7.0 19-21 TEXAS TECH kansas - 9.0 17- 7 toledo C MICHIGAN -11.0 41-10 tulane LOUISVILLE --0.0 64-33 uab CINCINNATI +20.0 29-33 utep TULSA +14.0 33-18 virginia CLEMSON + 6.0 21- 7 w michigan BOWLING GREEN + 4.0 34-21 wake forest NORTH CAROLINA +23.0 12-30 washington CALIFORNIA -16.0 30- 3 west virginia MARYLAND + 9.5 31-14 WISCONSIN illinois -13.5 31- 7"}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 12, 1997 (10:40)", "body": "spring poll =============== 80000 legaffe 3750 bob 2490 boyce2 1700 terry well poll ============= CURRENT STANDINGS W L T +$ riding rmj 16- 9- 0 59750 [40000/ 1] terry 8- 3- 0 40000 innominate 17- 7- 0 32150 [32150/ 1] scraps 33- 26- 3 23100 [12000/ 5] mz 6- 6- 1 18000 [10000/ 4] deadeye 33- 26- 2 17850 [15401/ 6] maj 15- 14- 0 16500 [16000/ 1] hll 4- 1- 0 12000 lala 18- 13- 1 11850 [ 5000/ 6] ode 48- 53- 2 11250 [ 3750/ 6] publish 12- 8- 1 10850 [ 5000/ 5] samiam 23- 21- 3 9700 [ 2750/ 6] jrc 30- 28- 0 9000 [ 2100/ 3] swoopcat 26- 29- 2 8000 [ 8000/ 3] anav 2- 3- 0 8000 [ 8000/ 1] chuck 36- 33- 2 7950 [ 3850/12] sh 7- 7- 0 7750 [ 2500/ 3] rafeco 11- 12- 0 7500 mrw 41- 33- 1 7000 [ 6500/ 3] sje 53- 55- 3 6400 [ 3250/12] chips 16- 19- 2 6000 [ 6000/ 3] justride 8- 11- 0 5700 [ 900/ 3] tkiriluk 58- 57- 2 5200 [ 1500/ 5] gmar 15- 14- 1 4700 [ 2500/ 4] lagoon 6- 11- 0 4550 nycjag 1- 5- 0 3000 mlouis 5- 10- 0 2500 jstraw 2- 2- 0 2500 dhuey 3- 5- 0 1300"}, {"response": 39, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 12, 1997 (10:44)", "body": "Combined Spring WELL poll - Spring bettors in caps W L T +$ riding LEGAFFE 80000 [80000/ 1] rmj 16- 9- 0 59750 [40000/ 1] terry 8- 3- 0 40000 innominate 17- 7- 0 32150 [32150/ 1] scraps 33- 26- 3 23100 [12000/ 5] mz 6- 6- 1 18000 [10000/ 4] deadeye 33- 26- 2 17850 [15401/ 6] maj 15- 14- 0 16500 [16000/ 1] hll 4- 1- 0 12000 lala 18- 13- 1 11850 [ 5000/ 6] ode 48- 53- 2 11250 [ 3750/ 6] publish 12- 8- 1 10850 [ 5000/ 5] samiam 23- 21- 3 9700 [ 2750/ 6] jrc 30- 28- 0 9000 [ 2100/ 3] swoopcat 26- 29- 2 8000 [ 8000/ 3] anav 2- 3- 0 8000 [ 8000/ 1] chuck 36- 33- 2 7950 [ 3850/12] sh 7- 7- 0 7750 [ 2500/ 3] rafeco 11- 12- 0 7500 mrw 41- 33- 1 7000 [ 6500/ 3] sje 53- 55- 3 6400 [ 3250/12] chips 16- 19- 2 6000 [ 6000/ 3] justride 8- 11- 0 5700 [ 900/ 3] tkiriluk 58- 57- 2 5200 [ 1500/ 5] gmar 15- 14- 1 4700 [ 2500/ 4] lagoon 6- 11- 0 4550 BOB 3750 nycjag 1- 5- 0 3000 mlouis 5- 10- 0 2500 BOYCE 2490 jstraw 2- 2- 0 2500 TERRY 1700 dhuey 3- 5- 0 1300"}, {"response": 40, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sun, Oct 12, 1997 (10:58)", "body": "30000 Packers"}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 12, 1997 (19:44)", "body": "spring poll =============== 50000 legaffe 3750 bob 2490 boyce2 1700 terry"}, {"response": 42, "author": "stacey", "date": "Wed, Oct 15, 1997 (10:02)", "body": "All right boys! All my money on Villanova! Do they even have a football team? How 'bout Ball State? Obviously I followed the underdogs in collegiate roundball some time ago -- without the tv, I've found I really don't know squat anymore! Just one question... where's Boyce and what's he been up to?"}, {"response": 43, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 15, 1997 (13:01)", "body": "All your money would be 7500.00 virtual dollars, everyone gets the same amount to start. The correct form to post your virtual bets in the future is 7500 Villanova Is this what you want? Then post it in the above form please."}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 15, 1997 (13:08)", "body": "Here are the lines Stacey. You must make the spread in order to win. Lines for College Football Games 10/18 Saturday-College AIR FORCE 13.5 fresno state ARMY 15.5 rutgers BALL STATE 6.0 c michigan BYU 26.0 hawaii cincinnati 7.0 HOUSTON COLORADO 14.5 kansas E MICHIGAN 9.5 akron florida 11.0 AUBURN FLORIDA STATE 23.0 georgia tech georgia 10.0 VANDERBILT KENTUCKY 25.0 ne louisiana LSU 16.5 mississippi LOUISIANA TECH 23.0 arkansas state marshall 1.0 MIAMI OHIO miami fla 6.0 BOSTON COLLEGE MICHIGAN 7.0 iowa michigan state 13.0 NORTHWESTERN NEBRASKA 36.0 texas tech NEW MEXICO 1.5 rice north carolina 12.0 NO CAROLINA ST NORTH TEXAS 11.5 boise state NOTRE DAME 6.5 usc OHIO STATE 33.0 indiana OHIO U 18.0 bowling green OKLAHOMA 15.0 baylor OREGON 7.5 utah PENN STATE 34.0 minnesota PURDUE 2.5 wisconsin so carolina 1.5 ARKANSAS STANFORD 1.5 arizona state SYRACUSE 28.5 temple tennessee 8.5 ALABAMA texas 4.0 MISSOURI texas a&m 1.5 KANSAS STATE TEXAS CHRISTIAN 7.5 tulsa TOLEDO 29.0 no illinois TULANE 8.0 east carolina UCLA 20.0 oregon state UTAH STATE 24.0 new mexico st UTEP 1.5 san jose state VIRGINIA 16.0 duke WAKE FOREST 8.5 maryland washington 12.0 ARIZONA WASHINGTON STATE 17.0 california W MICHIGAN 14.5 kent WYOMING 3.0 colorado state No line for Idaho @ Nevada No line for San Diego State @ UNLV Lines for NFL games 10/16-20 Home team is in CAPS Thursday-NFL CHIEFS 6.0 chargers Sunday-NFL broncos 5.5 RAIDERS COWBOYS 6.0 jaguars dolphins 1.0 RAVENS EAGLES 8.5 cardinals LIONS 6.5 giants niners 10.5 FALCONS panthers 4.5 SAINTS patriots 3.5 JETS redskins 2.0 OILERS seahawks 1.5 RAMS steelers 5.5 BENGALS Monday-NFL bills 2.5 COLTS I don't see Villanova listed, so you can't put anything on them this week. Maybe next week. You can choose any of the above teams and put down any amount up to 7,500 in even dollar amounts, No cents please. For example, if you chose the steelers here's how it would work. The steelers are favored over the BENGALS by 5.5 points If the steelers win the game by more than 5.5 points then you win 7500 virtual dollars If they lose the game or win by less that 5.5 points you lose 7500 virtual dollars Let's say you picked the redskins. Their spread is 2.0 over the OILERS. If they win by 2 points then you neither win nor lose. ."}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 15, 1997 (15:55)", "body": "I'm looking in to getting the Villanova game line for Stacey, but nothing yet. They are playing someone I believe."}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 15, 1997 (16:03)", "body": "I asked about the Villanova game and deadeye told me that \"Massachusetts plays at Villanova, Saturday at 1 p.m. It would be a *great* basketball game, but I'm not sure it will draw that many fans from the Iona- Siena gridiron classic that goes at the same time.\" Still waiting on a line, so you can shoot your wad on this Stacey."}, {"response": 47, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Oct 16, 1997 (09:24)", "body": "No you dingbat! I don't want to \"shoot my wad\" on anything here! I just saw Boyce's name and remembered him from Spring posting days of old... (LOL) You are too much!!!!!"}, {"response": 48, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 16, 1997 (11:47)", "body": "Yeah, but let's try a little psychology here, Stacey, if you were to enter the pool it might get boyce's attention and draw him back in to the fray. You might pick a game and get lucky, it's only virtual dollars anyway, pure fantasy."}, {"response": 49, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Oct 16, 1997 (12:33)", "body": "ooh! I LIKE fantasies! *giggle*"}, {"response": 50, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 16, 1997 (13:19)", "body": "What sports figure or team do you fantasize about, maybe we could help suggest a pick for you."}, {"response": 51, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Oct 18, 1997 (11:37)", "body": "50000 Missouri"}, {"response": 52, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Oct 18, 1997 (11:49)", "body": "spring poll =============== 50000 legaffe (50000/1) 3750 bob 2490 boyce2 1700 terry"}, {"response": 53, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Oct 18, 1997 (11:52)", "body": "1500 Horns"}, {"response": 54, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 18, 1997 (12:13)", "body": "Go Mizzou!"}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 18, 1997 (17:33)", "body": "spring poll =============== 98500 legaffe 3750 bob 2490 boyce2 1700 terry"}, {"response": 56, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 19, 1997 (11:49)", "body": "Results for College Football, week of 1020 Winner Loser spread score arizona state STANFORD + 1.5 31-14 baylor OKLAHOMA +15.0 23-24 boise state NORTH TEXAS +11.5 17-14 BOSTON COLLEGE miami fla + 6.0 44-45 c michigan BALL STATE + 6.0 34-37 COLORADO kansas -14.5 42- 6 colorado state WYOMING + 3.0 14- 7 duke VIRGINIA +16.0 10-13 E MICHIGAN akron - 9.5 45- 0 florida AUBURN -11.0 24-10 FLORIDA STATE georgia tech -23.0 38- 0 fresno state AIR FORCE +13.5 20-17 georgia VANDERBILT -10.0 34-13 hawaii BYU +26.0 3-17 HOUSTON cincinnati + 7.0 41-38 indiana OHIO STATE +33.0 0-31 iowa MICHIGAN + 7.0 24-28 KANSAS STATE texas a&m + 1.5 36-17 KENTUCKY ne louisiana -25.0 49-14 LOUISIANA TECH arkansas state -23.0 42-14 MIAMI OHIO marshall + 1.0 45-21 minnesota PENN STATE +34.0 15-16 mississippi LSU +16.5 36-21 MISSOURI texas + 4.0 37-29 NEVADA idaho - 6.5 42-23 no illinois TOLEDO +29.0 14-41 north carolina NO CAROLINA ST -12.0 20- 7 NORTHWESTERN michigan state +13.0 19-17 OHIO U bowling green -18.0 24- 0 OREGON utah - 7.5 31-13 PURDUE wisconsin - 2.5 45-20 rice NEW MEXICO + 1.5 35-23 rutgers ARMY +15.5 35-37 san jose state UTEP + 1.5 10- 7 so carolina ARKANSAS - 1.5 39-13 SYRACUSE temple -28.5 60- 7 tennessee ALABAMA - 8.5 38-21 texas tech NEBRASKA +36.0 0-29 TULANE east carolina - 8.0 33-16 tulsa TEXAS CHRISTIAN + 7.5 33-22 UCLA oregon state -20.0 34-10 unlv SAN DIEGO STATE + 8.0 17-20 usc NOTRE DAME + 6.5 20-17 UTAH STATE new mexico st -24.0 38- 7 W MICHIGAN kent -14.5 50-27 WAKE FOREST maryland - 8.5 35-17 washington ARIZONA -12.0 58-28 WASHINGTON STATE california -17.0 63-37 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 19, 1997 (11:49)", "body": "800 Cowboys"}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (08:25)", "body": "Lines for College Football Games 10/25 Saturday-College air force 9.0 SAN JOSE STATE alabama 1.5 MISSISSIPPI auburn 17.0 ARKANSAS ball state 11.0 NO ILLINOIS baylor 4.5 IOWA STATE BYU 18.0 texas christian kent 2.0 C MICHIGAN clemson 11.0 MARYLAND colorado 4.0 TEXAS COLORADO STATE 25.5 tulsa EAST CAROLINA 3.0 memphis florida state 20.0 VIRGINIA FRESNO STATE 5.0 unlv GEORGIA 9.5 kentucky IOWA 28.0 indiana kansas state 7.0 OKLAHOMA louisiana tech 13.5 BOISE STATE LOUISVILLE 3.0 houston MARSHALL 21.0 e michigan MIAMI FLA 19.0 temple MIAMI OHIO 6.0 cincinnati michigan 2.5 MICHIGAN STATE MISSISSIPPI ST 4.5 central florida nebraska 35.5 KANSAS NEW MEXICO ST 5.0 arkansas state ne louisiana 6.0 SW LOUISIANA NOTRE DAME 15.0 boston college OHIO STATE 22.0 northwestern ohio u 23.0 AKRON OKLAHOMA STATE 10.0 missouri pittsburgh 12.0 RUTGERS purdue 11.0 ILLINOIS san diego state 7.0 HAWAII SO CAROLINA 12.0 vanderbilt SO MISSISSIPPI 8.0 tulane texas a&m 5.5 TEXAS TECH toledo 10.0 BOWLING GREEN UCLA 23.5 california USC 8.0 oregon UTAH 2.5 new mexico utah state 3.0 IDAHO wake forest 3.0 DUKE washington 24.5 OREGON STATE WASHINGTON STATE 14.0 arizona WEST VIRGINIA 1.5 virginia tech wisconsin 6.0 MINNESOTA wyoming 7.0 SO METHODIST No line for North Texas @ Nevada Lines for NFL games 10/26-27. Home team is in CAPS Sunday-NFL broncos 7.0 BILLS BUCCANEERS 3.0 vikings CARDINALS 1.0 oilers chiefs 5.5 RAMS EAGLES pick cowboys DOLPHINS 10.0 bears GIANTS 5.5 bengals niners 13.5 SAINTS REDSKINS 6.0 ravens SEAHAWKS 2.5 raiders STEELERS 3.0 jaguars No line for Falcons @ Panthers (status of Chris Chandler?) No line for Colts @ Chargers (lack of interest?) Monday-NFL PATRIOTS 1.5 packers"}, {"response": 59, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (08:26)", "body": "spring poll =============== 98500 legaffe 3750 bob 2490 boyce2 900 terry"}, {"response": 60, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (11:07)", "body": "Paul, remind me never to take you to Vegas! You are not a betting man!!"}, {"response": 61, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (00:40)", "body": "Hey, I'm leading 30 or so others in the WELL pool. Take me to Vegas, baybeee... CURRENT STANDINGS W L T +$ riding terry 37- 38- 0 31650 maj 17- 15- 0 31500 scraps 51- 45- 3 23000 [23000/25] rmj 18- 11- 0 21750 publish 20- 11- 1 15850 lala 23- 17- 1 12850 ode 62- 64- 2 12700 hll 4- 1- 0 12000 jrc 37- 34- 0 11100 [ 8200/ 7] chips 21- 22- 2 10000 chuck 50- 44- 2 9550 sh 14- 9- 0 9250 mz 9- 9- 1 8000 [ 5000/ 5] tkiriluk 67- 69- 2 7700 [ 4600/20] justride 12- 14- 0 6200 [ 400/ 2] samiam 40- 43- 3 5500 rafeco 11- 14- 0 5500 deadeye 36- 31- 2 4902 mlouis 6- 10- 0 4700 gmar 18- 18- 1 4700 [ 1500/ 3] lagoon 7- 12- 0 4550 sje 58- 63- 3 3650 nycjag 1- 5- 0 3000 jstraw 2- 2- 0 2500 mrw 50- 44- 1 2140 [ 2125/ 4] dhuey 3- 5- 0 1300 [ 1000/ 1] swoopcat 27- 33- 2 0 innominate 17- 8- 0 0 anav 2- 4- 0 0 And, when are you going to put your $7,500 on the line, Stacey? (virtual)"}, {"response": 62, "author": "stacey", "date": "Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (12:53)", "body": "waiting for the Indians to win the World Series, then I can move on to football"}, {"response": 63, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (18:43)", "body": "Oh, so you're sequential sports fan. Kind of monogamous about it. A one sport at a time woman? Here are the rest of the games for this week: CHARGERS 6.0 colts PANTHERS 8.0 falcons"}, {"response": 64, "author": "stacey", "date": "Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (16:46)", "body": "That's me... enjoy them one at a time..."}, {"response": 65, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (17:16)", "body": "Does that mean when your affair with the World series is over that you'll be striking up a new relationship with our football pool, and perhaps plunking down some of those 7,500 virtual dollars you have?"}, {"response": 66, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (10:15)", "body": "Now I'm actually in a period of mourning. I'd hoped Chief Wahoo's gang would take the series. Last night I was let down. Let me console myself briefly before I make rash virtual money decisions."}, {"response": 67, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (13:38)", "body": "OK, we respect your mournfulness."}, {"response": 68, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (15:16)", "body": "Okay, okay! I'll come back and bet some of my paltry virtual dollars on Friday. I'm doing much better on Rogue Market ... Nice to see you webbed up again, Stacey Leigh!"}, {"response": 69, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (16:27)", "body": "Alright!!!!!! boyce is back, and he's making a run on King George! And Stacey is nearly ready (after a suitable period of mourning till the World series agony of defeat passes). And here are this weeks lines: Lines for NFL games 10/26-27 Home team is in CAPS Sunday-NFL broncos 7.0 BILLS BUCCANEERS 3.0 vikings CARDINALS 1.0 oilers CHARGERS 6.0 colts chiefs 5.5 RAMS EAGLES pick cowboys DOLPHINS 10.0 bears GIANTS 5.5 bengals niners 13.5 SAINTS PANTHERS 8.0 falcons REDSKINS 6.0 ravens SEAHAWKS 2.5 raiders STEELERS 3.0 jaguars Monday-NFL PATRIOTS 1.5 packers Respond (r), pass (Return) or help (?): college Lines for College Football Games 10/25 Saturday-College air force 9.0 SAN JOSE STATE alabama 1.5 MISSISSIPPI auburn 17.0 ARKANSAS ball state 11.0 NO ILLINOIS baylor 4.5 IOWA STATE BYU 18.0 texas christian c michigan 2.0 KENT clemson 11.0 MARYLAND colorado 4.0 TEXAS COLORADO STATE 25.5 tulsa EAST CAROLINA 3.0 memphis florida state 20.0 VIRGINIA FRESNO STATE 5.0 unlv GEORGIA 9.5 kentucky IOWA 28.0 indiana kansas state 7.0 OKLAHOMA louisiana tech 13.5 BOISE STATE LOUISVILLE 3.0 houston MARSHALL 21.0 e michigan MIAMI FLA 19.0 temple MIAMI OHIO 6.0 cincinnati michigan 2.5 MICHIGAN STATE MISSISSIPPI ST 4.5 central florida nebraska 35.5 KANSAS NEVADA 15.0 north texas NEW MEXICO ST 5.0 arkansas state ne louisiana 6.0 SW LOUISIANA NOTRE DAME 15.0 boston college OHIO STATE 22.0 northwestern ohio u 23.0 AKRON OKLAHOMA STATE 10.0 missouri pittsburgh 12.0 RUTGERS purdue 11.0 ILLINOIS san diego state 7.0 HAWAII SO CAROLINA 12.0 vanderbilt SO MISSISSIPPI 8.0 tulane texas a&m 5.5 TEXAS TECH toledo 10.0 BOWLING GREEN UCLA 23.5 california USC 8.0 oregon UTAH 2.5 new mexico utah state 3.0 IDAHO wake forest 3.0 DUKE washington 24.5 OREGON STATE WASHINGTON STATE 14.0 arizona WEST VIRGINIA 1.5 virginia tech wisconsin 6.0 MINNESOTA wyoming 7.0 SO METHODIST Tonight's Monday night game was already posted above. Good luck folks!"}, {"response": 70, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (17:23)", "body": "Lines for College Football Games 11/06-08 Thursday-College MISSISSIPPI 9.0 arkansas Saturday-College AIR FORCE 14.0 army AKRON 1.5 kent ARIZONA 16.0 oregon state arizona state 10.0 CALIFORNIA BYU 17.5 tulsa CINCINNATI 13.5 louisville CLEMSON 16.0 duke colorado 20.0 IOWA STATE COLORADO STATE 16.5 fresno state east carolina 2.5 HOUSTON e michigan 7.5 NO ILLINOIS FLORIDA 36.5 vanderbilt florida state 6.5 NORTH CAROLINA iowa 9.0 WISCONSIN KANSAS STATE 22.5 kansas louisiana tech 8.0 UAB lsu 6.0 ALABAMA MARSHALL 25.5 bowling green miami ohio 2.5 OHIO U NAVY 13.0 temple nebraska 28.5 MISSOURI nevada 13.0 BOISE STATE NO CAROLINA ST 17.0 maryland north texas 3.0 NEW MEXICO ST northwestern 12.0 ILLINOIS ohio state 23.0 MINNESOTA oklahoma state 5.0 OKLAHOMA PENN STATE 3.0 michigan PURDUE 1.0 michigan state RICE 21.0 texas christian SAN DIEGO STATE 14.0 san jose state SO METHODIST 18.5 utep SYRACUSE 27.5 boston college TENNESSEE 18.5 so mississippi TEXAS 1.0 texas tech TEXAS A&M 20.5 baylor toledo 12.0 BALL STATE TULANE 12.5 memphis USC 4.0 stanford VIRGINIA 4.0 georgia tech VIRGINIA TECH 7.5 miami fla wake forest 20.0 RUTGERS WASHINGTON 21.5 oregon WASHINGTON STATE 47.0 sw louisiana W MICHIGAN 16.5 c michigan WYOMING 17.0 unlv Lines for NFL games 11/09-10 Home team is in CAPS Sunday-NFL bengals 2.5 COLTS BRONCOS 7.0 panthers buccaneers 3.0 FALCONS COWBOYS 9.0 cardinals DOLPHINS 3.0 jets JAGUARS 5.0 chiefs OILERS 3.0 giants PACKERS 14.5 rams patriots 3.0 BILLS RAIDERS 6.5 saints REDSKINS 4.0 lions seahawks 2.5 CHARGERS STEELERS 6.5 ravens VIKINGS 9.0 bears Monday-NFL niners 3.5 EAGLES"}, {"response": 71, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (17:25)", "body": "20000 Texas Tech"}, {"response": 72, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (22:48)", "body": "1000 Steelers"}, {"response": 73, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 11, 1997 (10:43)", "body": "I'll tally this weeks standings tonight. But here's this. Lines for College Football Games 11/13-15 Thursday-College cincinnati 2.5 EAST CAROLINA Saturday-College ALABAMA 4.0 mississippi st ARIZONA 11.0 california ARIZONA STATE 10.0 oregon ARMY 8.0 north texas florida 16.0 SO CAROLINA FLORIDA STATE 33.0 wake forest FRESNO STATE 3.5 san diego state GEORGIA 6.0 auburn georgia tech 8.0 DUKE idaho 9.0 NEW MEXICO ST iowa 8.5 NORTHWESTERN KANSAS STATE 10.0 colorado kentucky 4.5 VANDERBILT louisiana tech 24.0 SW LOUISIANA LSU 11.0 notre dame MARSHALL 11.0 ohio u MEMPHIS 10.0 louisville MIAMI FLA 32.5 rutgers MIAMI OHIO 31.5 no illinois michigan 15.5 WISCONSIN MINNESOTA 7.0 indiana MISSOURI 16.5 baylor NE LOUISIANA 1.0 w michigan NEBRASKA 44.0 iowa state NEVADA 6.0 utah state NEW MEXICO 3.0 byu north carolina 6.5 CLEMSON OHIO STATE 38.0 illinois OKLAHOMA STATE 6.0 texas tech penn state 6.0 PURDUE SAN JOSE STATE pick hawaii so methodist 7.5 TULSA SO MISSISSIPPI 19.0 houston syracuse 19.0 PITTSBURGH tennessee 24.0 ARKANSAS TEXAS 7.5 kansas texas a&m 14.0 OKLAHOMA TOLEDO 23.0 akron TULANE 1.5 mississippi UCLA 1.5 washington usc 11.0 OREGON STATE rice 2.5 UTAH UTEP 9.5 texas christian virginia 1.5 NO CAROLINA ST WASHINGTON STATE 16.5 stanford WEST VIRGINIA 24.5 temple wyoming 1.5 AIR FORCE"}, {"response": 74, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 11, 1997 (10:45)", "body": "Pros to come later."}, {"response": 75, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 23, 1997 (07:09)", "body": "Winner Loser spread score alabama AUBURN +13.0 17-18 ARKANSAS mississippi st + 4.0 17- 7 ARKANSAS STATE uab +13.0 7-13 army BOSTON COLLEGE +14.0 20-24 BAYLOR oklahoma state +12.5 14-24 boise state IDAHO +10.0 23-30 california STANFORD + 4.5 20-21 CENTRAL FLORIDA toledo - 3.0 34-17 clemson SO CAROLINA -13.0 47-21 colorado state SAN DIEGO STATE -12.5 38-17 FLORIDA florida state + 5.0 32-29 FRESNO STATE wyoming + 4.5 24- 7 georgia MISSISSIPPI - 4.5 21-14 ILLINOIS michigan state +25.0 17-27 IOWA minnesota -20.5 31- 0 IOWA STATE kansas state +26.0 3-28 maryland GEORGIA TECH +19.5 18-37 MICHIGAN ohio state - 4.0 20-14 NAVY kent -27.0 62-29 ne louisiana HAWAII + 5.0 23-20 NEW MEXICO tulsa -17.0 51-13 NO CAROLINA ST east carolina -10.0 37-24 NORTH CAROLINA duke -22.5 50-14 NORTH TEXAS utah state +12.0 51-48 oklahoma TEXAS TECH +21.0 32-21 OREGON oregon state -16.5 48-30 PENN STATE wisconsin -15.5 35-10 PITTSBURGH virginia tech +10.5 30-23 purdue INDIANA -12.5 56- 7 so mississippi MEMPHIS -13.0 42-18 tennessee KENTUCKY -14.5 59-31 TEXAS CHRISTIAN so methodist +11.0 21-18 tulane HOUSTON - 7.0 44-10 USC ucla +10.0 24-31 utah BYU + 6.0 20-14 utep RICE +20.5 13-31 washington state WASHINGTON + 7.0 41-35 west virginia NOTRE DAME + 7.5 14-21"}, {"response": 76, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 23, 1997 (07:16)", "body": "spring poll =============== 118500 legaffe 12500 stacey 3750 bob 3490 boyce 1700 terry"}, {"response": 77, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 23, 1997 (07:19)", "body": "Lines for College Football Games 11/20-22 Thursday-College so methodist 11.0 TEXAS CHRISTIAN Saturday - College AUBURN 13.0 alabama BOSTON COLLEGE 14.0 army BYU 6.0 utah CENTRAL FLORIDA 3.0 toledo clemson 13.0 SO CAROLINA colorado state 12.5 SAN DIEGO STATE florida state 5.0 FLORIDA georgia 4.5 MISSISSIPPI GEORGIA TECH 19.5 maryland HAWAII 5.0 ne louisiana IDAHO 10.0 boise state IOWA 20.5 minnesota kansas state 26.0 IOWA STATE MICHIGAN 4.0 ohio state michigan state 25.0 ILLINOIS mississippi st 4.0 ARKANSAS NAVY 27.0 kent NEW MEXICO 17.0 tulsa NORTH CAROLINA 22.5 duke NO CAROLINA ST 10.0 east carolina NOTRE DAME 7.5 west virginia oklahoma state 12.5 BAYLOR OREGON 16.5 oregon state PENN STATE 15.5 wisconsin purdue 12.5 INDIANA RICE 20.5 utep so mississippi 13.0 MEMPHIS STANFORD 4.5 california tennessee 14.5 KENTUCKY TEXAS TECH 21.0 oklahoma tulane 7.0 HOUSTON uab 13.0 ARKANSAS STATE ucla 10.0 USC utah state 12.0 NORTH TEXAS virginia tech 10.5 PITTSBURGH WASHINGTON 7.0 washington state wyoming 4.5 FRESNO STATE No line for San Jose State @ UNLV"}, {"response": 78, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 25, 1997 (10:18)", "body": "Lines for College Football Games 11/28-29 Friday-College ARIZONA STATE 10.0 arizona LSU 19.0 arkansas nebraska 21.0 COLORADO TEXAS A&M 15.0 texas WEST VIRGINIA 13.5 pittsburgh Saturday-College georgia 4.0 GEORGIA TECH MISSISSIPPI ST 2.0 mississippi notre dame 26.0 HAWAII penn state 5.5 MICHIGAN STATE syracuse 6.5 MIAMI FLA TENNESSEE 30.0 vanderbilt VIRGINIA 3.5 virginia tech Topic 864 [sports]: The 5th Annual WELL Virtual Football Pool! #1046 of 1046: the sound of an exploding sheep (mrw) Mon Nov 24 '97 (21:35) 26 lines Lines for NFL games 11/27-12/01 Home team is in CAPS Thursday-NFL COWBOYS 6.5 oilers LIONS 8.5 bears Sunday-NFL broncos 8.0 CHARGERS EAGLES 5.0 bengals GIANTS 1.5 buccaneers JAGUARS 8.0 ravens jets 2.5 BILLS niners 4.5 CHIEFS PANTHERS 9.0 saints PATRIOTS 10.5 colts RAIDERS 2.0 dolphins REDSKINS 9.0 rams SEAHAWKS 7.0 falcons steelers 5.5 CARDINALS Monday-NFL"}, {"response": 79, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (01:56)", "body": "I don't know the spread, but: 3000 Texas A&M"}, {"response": 80, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (21:01)", "body": "Lines for College Football Games 12/05-06 Friday-College MARSHALL 10.0 toledo (MAC Championship) Saturday-College colorado state 9.0 new mexico (WAC Championship) navy 14.0 army nebraska 15.0 texas a&m (Big 12 Championship) tennessee 7.0 auburn (SEC Championship) Lines for NFL games 12/04-08 Home team is in CAPS Thursday-NFL oilers 3.0 BENGALS Sunday-NFL bills 1.5 BEARS CHIEFS 9.5 raiders DOLPHINS 3.0 lions EAGLES 4.0 giants chargers 3.0 FALCONS JAGUARS 3.5 patriots JETS 8.0 colts NINERS 6.5 vikings packers 3.0 BUCCANEERS RAVENS 1.0 seahawks redskins 3.0 CARDINALS SAINTS 2.5 rams STEELERS 2.0 broncos Monday-NFL COWBOYS 5.0 panthers"}, {"response": 81, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 14, 1997 (17:55)", "body": "Lines for NFL games 12/13-15 Home team is in CAPS Saturday-NFL GIANTS 3.0 redskins PATRIOTS 2.5 steelers Sunday-NFL buccaneers 3.0 JETS chiefs 9.5 CHARGERS cowboys 2.0 BENGALS dolphins 4.0 COLTS FALCONS 2.0 eagles jaguars 5.5 BILLS packers 7.5 PANTHERS RAIDERS 1.5 seahawks RAMS 3.0 bears RAVENS pick oilers SAINTS 2.0 cardinals VIKINGS 1.0 lions Monday-NFL NINERS 4.0 broncos OK (Return for menu): college Lines for College Football Games 12/11-13 No games this week."}, {"response": 82, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 21, 1997 (14:47)", "body": "Lines for NFL games 12/20-22 Home team is in CAPS Saturday-NFL PACKERS 7.0 bills PANTHERS 5.0 rams Sunday-NFL BENGALS 7.0 ravens BRONCOS 13.0 chargers BUCCANEERS 7.5 bears CHIEFS 7.0 saints COWBOYS 1.5 giants falcons 2.0 CARDINALS jaguars 3.0 RAIDERS LIONS 6.5 jets niners 2.0 SEAHAWKS OILERS 1.5 steelers REDSKINS 5.5 eagles VIKINGS 6.5 colts Monday-NFL patriots 2.0 DOLPHINS OK (Return for menu): college Lines for College Football Games 12/20-29 Saturday-Las Vegas Bowl OREGON 3.5 air force 12/25-Aloha Bowl WASHINGTON 4.5 michigan state 12/26-Motor City Bowl MISSISSIPPI 3.0 marshall 12/27-Insight.com Bowl ARIZONA 10.0 new mexico 12/28-Independence Bowl LSU 6.5 notre dame 12/29-Humanitarian Bowl CINCINNATI 3.0 utah state 12/29-Carquest Bowl GEORGIA TECH 2.5 west virginia 12/29-Holiday Bowl COLORADO STATE 5.0 missouri"}, {"response": 83, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 21, 1997 (15:00)", "body": "Current standings on the WELL: CURRENT STANDINGS W L T +$ riding chips 37- 34- 2 140000 [40000/ 1] scraps 149- 131- 7 107000 [80000/ 4] lala 40- 28- 1 100050 maj 28- 26- 0 94999 terry 45- 47- 0 35000 ode 136- 126- 5 23700 [17400/20] publish 37- 29- 1 18550 mlouis 15- 15- 0 13850 chuck 110- 93- 4 13700 [ 3700/11] sje 66- 64- 3 11250 [ 3000/ 6] tkiriluk 141- 138- 5 11000 [ 5000/15] sh 22- 14- 0 10500 samiam 139- 141- 5 10075 gmar 33- 27- 1 8700 [ 2500/ 4] justride 30- 26- 0 8400 [ 300/ 1] nycjag 1- 5- 0 3000 jstraw 2- 2- 0 2500 hll 4- 2- 0 2000 rafeco 13- 16- 0 1000 lagoon 13- 21- 0 50 mrw 101- 92- 3 26 [ 25/ 5] dhuey 6- 7- 0 17 swoopcat 27- 33- 2 0 rmj 21- 20- 1 0 mz 13- 14- 1 0 jrc 41- 40- 0 0 innominate 17- 8- 0 0 eagles 0- 1- 0 0 deadeye 47- 49- 2 0 anav 2- 4- 0 0"}, {"response": 84, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 29, 1997 (09:32)", "body": "Lines for NFL Divisional Playoff Round, 01/03-04: Saturday-NFL NINERS 13.5 vikings STEELERS 7.0 patriots Sunday-NFL CHIEFS 1.5 broncos PACKERS 13.5 buccaneers"}, {"response": 85, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 30, 1997 (07:05)", "body": "Lines for College Football Games 12/30-01/02 Tuesday-Alamo Bowl PURDUE 4.0 oklahoma state Tuesday-Sun Bowl IOWA 3.0 arizona state Wednesday-Liberty Bowl SO MISSISSIPPI 8.5 pittsburgh Thursday-Outback Bowl GEORGIA 9.0 wisconsin Thursday-Gator Bowl NORTH CAROLINA 12.5 virginia tech Thursday-Citrus Bowl FLORIDA 9.5 penn state Thursday-Cotton Bowl UCLA 11.0 texas a&m Thursday-Rose Bowl MICHIGAN 7.0 washington state Thursday-Sugar Bowl FLORIDA STATE 6.5 ohio state Friday-Peach Bowl AUBURN 6.5 clemson Friday-Orange Bowl NEBRASKA 12.5 tennessee Lines for NFL Divisional Playoff Round, 01/03-04: Saturday-NFL NINERS 13.5 vikings STEELERS 7.0 patriots Sunday-NFL CHIEFS 1.5 broncos PACKERS 13.5 buccaneers"}, {"response": 86, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Dec 31, 1997 (11:45)", "body": "I have no idea what I have left to work with, I'll call it MAX: MAX/2 Va Tech MAX/2 Fla MAX/2 Ohio State Re-evaluate -> NEWMAX NEWMAX Niners Re-evaluate ->NEWNEWMAX NEWNEWMAX Chiefs"}, {"response": 87, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jan  3, 1998 (07:46)", "body": "Final Bowl Results: Winner Loser spread score arizona state IOWA + 3.0 17- 7 clemson AUBURN + 6.5 17-21 FLORIDA penn state - 9.5 21- 6 FLORIDA STATE ohio state - 6.5 31-14 GEORGIA wisconsin - 9.0 33- 6 KANSAS STATE syracuse - 3.5 35-18 NEBRASKA tennessee -12.5 42-17 NORTH CAROLINA virginia tech -12.5 42- 3 PURDUE oklahoma state - 4.0 33-20 SO MISSISSIPPI pittsburgh - 8.5 41- 7 texas a&m UCLA +11.0 23-29 washington state MICHIGAN + 7.0 16-21"}, {"response": 88, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan  5, 1998 (10:41)", "body": "Sunday-NFL STEELERS pick broncos (AFC Championship) NINERS pick packers (NFC Championship) How about that?"}, {"response": 89, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 18, 1998 (06:39)", "body": "Okay, guys, it's the final lines... Super Bowl XXXII Lines -- 01/25 ======================== Spread Bets ======================== favorite spread underdog over/under Game Packers 12.5 Broncos 49.0 1st Quarter Packers 3.0 Broncos 10.5 2nd Quarter Packers 4.0 Broncos 15.0 1st Half Packers 7.0 Broncos 25.0 3rd Quarter Packers 3.0 Broncos 10.5 4th Quarter Packers 3.0 Broncos 14.0 2nd Half Packers 6.0 Broncos 24.5 ========================= Odds Bets ========================= Total Points Margin of Victory 2-10 100.0 to 1 Broncos by 37+ 250.0 to 1 11-20 35.0 to 1 Broncos by 31-36 200.0 to 1 21-30 12.0 to 1 Broncos by 25-30 75.0 to 1 31-40 4.5 to 1 Broncos by 19-24 50.0 to 1 41-50 2.5 to 1 Broncos by 13-18 20.0 to 1 51-60 2.0 to 1 Broncos by 7-12 10.0 to 1 61-70 3.5 to 1 Broncos by 1- 6 5.0 to 1 71-80 10.0 to 1 Packers by 1- 6 3.0 to 1 81-90 25.0 to 1 Packers by 7-12 3.0 to 1 91+ 25.0 to 1 Packers by 13-18 2.5 to 1 Packers by 19-24 5.0 to 1 Packers by 25-30 12.0 to 1 Packers by 31-36 18.0 to 1 Packers by 37+ 18.0 to 1 First TD scored by D Levens 4.0 to 1 A Freeman 5.0 to 1 T Davis 5.0 to 1 R Brooks 7.0 to 1 M Chmura 8.0 to 1 R Smith 9.0 to 1 S Sharpe 9.0 to 1 E McCaffrey 10.0 to 1 B Favre 15.0 to 1 W Henderson 18.0 to 1 J Elway 25.0 to 1 W Green 25.0 to 1 D Mayes 30.0 to 1 D Gordon 30.0 to 1 (anyone else) 7.0 to 1"}, {"response": 90, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Oct 13, 2000 (08:30)", "body": "OK, I know it's late in the season but it's time for this years pool. I'll post the lines, you get $7500 virtual money to start, don't expect to get a check in the mail if you win, this is just for fun the the dollars are imaginary. So here are the starting lines. College lines for week eight: Thursday, October 12 - College VIRGINIA TECH 21.0 west virginia Saturday, October 14 - College air force 14.5 WYOMING ALABAMA 4.0 mississippi ARIZONA 12.5 washington state BALL STATE 4.0 e michigan CLEMSON 29.0 maryland COLORADO STATE 6.0 unlv EAST CAROLINA 24.0 army FLORIDA 9.5 auburn FLORIDA STATE 48.0 duke FRESNO STATE 24.5 nevada GEORGIA 20.0 vanderbilt GEORGIA TECH 24.5 wake forest IDAHO 10.5 arkansas state ILLINOIS 12.5 iowa iowa state 5.0 OKLAHOMA STATE KANSAS STATE 9.5 oklahoma LOUISIANA STATE 5.5 kentucky LOUISIANA TECH 7.0 la lafayette LOUISVILLE 5.5 cincinnati memphis 3.0 ALA BIRMINGHAM MIAMI OHIO 15.0 bowling green MICHIGAN 16.5 indiana MID TENNESSEE ST 18.0 la monroe MISSOURI 7.0 kansas nebraska 20.0 TEXAS TECH NEW MEXICO ST 7.0 tulsa NORTH CAROLINA 1.5 no carolina st no illinois 1.0 AKRON notre dame 21.0 NAVY ohio 12.0 KENT OHIO STATE 10.0 minnesota oregon 2.0 USC OREGON STATE 8.5 stanford purdue 4.0 NORTHWESTERN SAN JOSE STATE 4.5 utep SOUTH CAROLINA 5.0 arkansas so methodist pick HAWAII so mississippi 14.5 TULANE syracuse pick BOSTON COLLEGE temple 6.0 RUTGERS texas 1.5 COLORADO texas a&m 24.5 BAYLOR TOLEDO 6.5 marshall ucla 10.5 CALIFORNIA utah 6.0 SAN DIEGO STATE utah state 2.5 NORTH TEXAS washington 6.5 ARIZONA STATE wisconsin 2.5 MICHIGAN STATE NFL lines for week eight: Sunday, October 15 - NFL BILLS 10.0 chargers BRONCOS 12.0 browns CHIEFS 2.5 raiders colts 5.5 SEAHAWKS eagles 3.0 CARDINALS GIANTS 4.0 cowboys PACKERS 4.5 niners panthers pick SAINTS PATRIOTS 3.0 jets RAMS 17.0 falcons REDSKINS 3.0 ravens STEELERS 8.0 bengals BEARS NL vikings Monday, October 16 - NFL TITANS 5.0 jaguars"}, {"response": 91, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 15, 2000 (14:13)", "body": "Football?! What's football? Not paying much attention to it this year..*sob*"}, {"response": 92, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Oct 16, 2000 (05:13)", "body": "2500 TITANS"}, {"response": 93, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (07:41)", "body": "College lines for this week: Thursday, October 19 - College east carolina 1.5 LOUISVILLE Saturday, October 21 - College AIR FORCE 10.5 new mexico AKRON 22.5 connecticut ALA BIRMINGHAM 11.5 mid tennessee st arizona state 1.5 WASHINGTON STATE AUBURN 32.5 louisiana tech ball state 10.0 BUFFALO BOISE STATE 27.0 north texas BOWLING GREEN 13.0 e michigan BRIGHAM YOUNG 14.0 san diego state CENTRAL FLORIDA 29.5 la monroe clemson 16.0 NORTH CAROLINA colorado 4.0 KANSAS FLORIDA STATE 30.0 virginia GEORGIA TECH 29.5 duke KANSAS STATE 32.0 texas tech idaho 10.5 UTAH STATE MARSHALL 21.0 kent MARYLAND 13.5 wake forest MEMPHIS 9.0 houston miami fla 21.5 TEMPLE MICHIGAN 15.5 michigan state minnesota 7.0 INDIANA mississippi st 4.5 LOUISIANA STATE NAVY 8.0 rutgers NEBRASKA 48.5 baylor new mexico st 3.5 ARKANSAS STATE notre dame 3.5 WEST VIRGINIA OHIO 22.5 c michigan ohio state 18.0 IOWA OREGON 9.0 arizona PENN STATE 1.0 illinois PITTSBURGH 3.5 boston college purdue 2.5 WISCONSIN RICE 10.5 hawaii san jose state 16.5 NEVADA south carolina 5.5 VANDERBILT TENNESSEE 3.0 alabama TEXAS 21.5 missouri texas a&m 3.0 IOWA STATE texas christian 27.0 TULSA tulane 3.5 ARMY UCLA 3.5 oregon state UNLV 21.5 wyoming usc 6.0 STANFORD UTAH 1.5 colorado state UTEP 2.5 fresno state virginia tech 13.0 SYRACUSE WASHINGTON 16.0 california W MICHIGAN 6.0 no illinois KENTUCKY NL georgia NFL lines for this week: Thursday, October 19 - NFL BUCCANEERS 7.5 lions Sunday, October 22 - NFL broncos 10.0 BENGALS COLTS 8.5 patriots COWBOYS 7.0 cardinals EAGLES 6.5 bears PANTHERS 3.0 niners RAIDERS 7.5 seahawks rams 7.0 CHIEFS saints 1.5 FALCONS STEELERS 9.0 browns VIKINGS 6.5 bills JAGUARS NL redskins RAVENS NL titans Monday, October 23 - NFL JETS 3.0 dolphins"}, {"response": 94, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (19:25)", "body": "Love the odds for Penn State - Illinois game. Yes, I know - you and John will be pulling for Illinois...I understand...We are both having a miserable year."}, {"response": 95, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Oct 31, 2000 (08:02)", "body": "College lines for this week: Thursday, November 2 - College COLORADO STATE 8.0 brigham young Saturday, November 4 - College air force 9.0 ARMY ARIZONA STATE 6.0 usc boise state 15.0 ARKANSAS STATE BOSTON COLLEGE 10.0 temple central florida 7.0 LOUISIANA TECH CINCINNATI 5.5 ala birmingham colorado 6.0 MISSOURI E MICHIGAN 5.5 c michigan florida 19.0 VANDERBILT FLORIDA STATE 19.0 clemson FRESNO STATE 22.0 hawaii idaho 15.5 NORTH TEXAS ILLINOIS 9.0 indiana KANSAS STATE 18.0 iowa state kent 6.5 BUFFALO la lafayette 2.0 LA MONROE LOUISIANA STATE 2.5 alabama marshall 9.5 BOWLING GREEN michigan 7.5 NORTHWESTERN mid tennessee st 10.5 CONNECTICUT mississippi st 7.5 KENTUCKY NEBRASKA 31.5 kansas NEW MEXICO 7.5 san diego state NEW MEXICO ST 8.5 utah state no carolina st 7.0 MARYLAND ohio 3.5 MIAMI OHIO OHIO STATE 13.5 michigan state oklahoma 38.0 BAYLOR oregon 9.0 WASHINGTON STATE oregon state 6.5 CALIFORNIA PENN STATE 16.5 iowa PITTSBURGH 9.5 north carolina RICE 10.0 so methodist SO MISSISSIPPI 15.0 louisville syracuse 2.5 WEST VIRGINIA tennessee 10.5 MEMPHIS texas 10.5 TEXAS TECH texas a&m 16.0 OKLAHOMA STATE texas christian 12.0 SAN JOSE STATE toledo 4.5 NO ILLINOIS TULANE 1.0 houston UCLA 8.5 stanford unlv 2.0 UTAH utep 22.5 NEVADA WAKE FOREST 4.5 duke WASHINGTON 7.0 arizona w michigan 20.0 BALL STATE WISCONSIN 4.0 minnesota ARKANSAS NL mississippi MIAMI FLA NL virginia tech NFL lines for this week: Sunday, November 5 - NFL buccaneers 7.0 FALCONS colts 7.0 BEARS EAGLES 3.0 cowboys giants 10.0 BROWNS JETS 3.0 broncos LIONS 2.5 dolphins PATRIOTS 2.0 bills RAIDERS 3.5 chiefs RAMS 13.5 panthers ravens 6.0 BENGALS SAINTS 5.5 niners SEAHAWKS 4.5 chargers TITANS NL steelers CARDINALS NL redskins Monday, November 6 - NFL vikings 3.5 PACKERS sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 35, "subject": "College football '97 edition", "response_count": 35, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  8, 1997 (21:35)", "body": "The preseason USA Today/ESPN Coaches Poll. Number of first place votes in brackets, records reflect the teams record last season and the Previous Rank indicates where they finished last year. Rank Team Record Pts Pvs 1. Florida (19) 12-1 1407 1 2. Penn State (9) 11-2 1335 7 3. Washington (15) 9-3 1311 15 4. Florida State (3) 11-1 1298 3 5. Tennessee (8) 10-2 1250 9 6. Nebraska (4) 11-2 1240 6 7. Colorado (3) 10-2 1153 8 8. North Carolina (1) 10-2 1137 10 9. Ohio State 11-1 1097 2 10. Texas 8-5 973 23 11. LSU 10-2 874 13 12. Notre Dame 8-3 780 21 13. Michigan 8-4 771 20 14. Miami-FL 9-3 746 14 15. Alabama 10-3 609 11 16. Syracuse 9-3 591 19 17. BYU 14-1 372 5 18. Stanford 7-5 591 19 19. Auburn 8-4 360 25 20. Iowa 9-3 325 18 21. Clemson 7-5 318 - 22. USC 6-6 272 - 23. Kansas State 9-3 238 17 24. Wisconsin 8-5 195 - 25. Virginia Tech 10-2 180 12 Others ------ Texas A&M 148 Colorado State 137 UCLA 130 Arizona State 126 Michigan state 93 Northwestern 89 Virginia 58 West Virginia 51 Georgia 24 Utah 15 East Carolina 13 S. Miss. 13 San Diego St 12 Navy 10 S. Carolina 7 Wyoming 6 Washington St 4 Georgia Tech 3 Oregon 3 Duke 2 Texas Tech 2 Army 1"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (13:35)", "body": "Time to start. Lines for games through 8/25 NORTHWESTERN 6 Oklahoma SYRACUSE 8.5 Wisconsin"}, {"response": 3, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (16:59)", "body": "What's that bet format again?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (17:06)", "body": "Oh right, 200 Oklahoma 50 Wisconsin"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 21, 1997 (06:52)", "body": "Wisconsin 300"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 26, 1997 (10:41)", "body": "OK I forgot Thursday. Thursday - College Football (more) OHIO U 15 Kent Temple 1 W> MICHIGAN C MICHIGAN 16 N. Illinois KANSAS 25 Uab"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 12, 1997 (19:43)", "body": "1. Penn St. (51) 5-0 1,724 2 2. Nebraska (14) 5-0 1,668 3 3. Florida St. (3) 5-0 1,603 4 4. North Carolina (2) 6-0 1,521 5 5. Michigan 5-0 1,490 6 6. Auburn 6-0 1,366 8 7. Florida 5-1 1,280 1 8. LSU 5-1 1,199 14 9. Tennessee 4-1 1,126 9 10. Washington 4-1 1,121 10 11. Ohio St. 5-1 1,113 7 12. Michigan St. 5-0 1,058 11 13. Washington St. 5-0 958 12 14. Texas A&M 5-0 827 15 15. Iowa 4-1 703 17 16. Oklahoma St. 6-0 665 20 17. UCLA 4-2 637 18 18. Air Force 7-0 516 19 19. Georgia 4-1 446 13 20. Kansas St. 4-1 388 22 21. Georgia Tech 4-1 281 25 22. Virginia Tech 5-1 274 23 23. West Virginia 5-1 182 - 24. Wisconsin 6-1 134 - 25. Stanford 4-2 119 16 Others receiving votes: Arizona St. 69, New Mexico 57, Toledo 46, Purdue 38, Wyoming 26, Virginia 20, Alabama 15, Colorado 15, Brigham Young 14, Miami, Ohio 11, Ohio U. 9, Clemson 8, Marshall 8, Southern Miss. 5, Colorado St. 4, Rice 4, N. Carolina St. 2."}, {"response": 8, "author": "Rubi", "date": "Mon, Oct 20, 1997 (23:48)", "body": "What does everyone think? Should I book my seats on the plane from Detroit to Pasadena for Michigan? This week should be fun. The Wolverines are gearing up to face arch rival Michigan State. They (MSU) had an unfortunate run in with the Northwestern Wildcats (Good Job Guys!!!!), to bad it would of been nice to see two undefeated teams. See in CALI."}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (08:23)", "body": "Book 'em Mike!"}, {"response": 10, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (15:18)", "body": "They still have to get through Ohio State and Penn State, no?"}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (16:28)", "body": "Those teams aren't exactly patsies."}, {"response": 12, "author": "ledfords", "date": "Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (23:13)", "body": "No they aren't but if our defense keeps playing like they have been, the Rose Bowl is definately within our grasp. Hopefully, I'll be booking a flight to Pasedena myself. See ya on the plane Mike. Go Blue!!"}, {"response": 13, "author": "rubi", "date": "Wed, Oct 29, 1997 (04:34)", "body": "You can say that again, so I think I will. D wins championships, if there is any truth to this then look out big 10 & who ever else gets in the way."}, {"response": 14, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (17:26)", "body": "Missouri is play great against Nebraska today."}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (18:37)", "body": "In the final seconds the Nebraska pass gets deflected, a Mizzou player accidetally kicks the ball which bounces off several players like a pinball and a Nebraska player makes a diving, lunging catch. Actually, on the replay it was Wiggins of Nebraska who booted it backwards to his buddy. A play for the ages. Wow!"}, {"response": 16, "author": "drummerboy", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (19:21)", "body": "Nebraska, schmebraska ! we all know the #1 in the nation is the MICHIGAN WOLVERINES ! Michigan has beaten Notre Dame, Colorado, Michigan State, Iowa, and now Penn State; even if the Cornhuskers are undefeated, how can you give them any credit when they play such a creampuff schedule. It was a nice catch though..."}, {"response": 17, "author": "boyce2", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (22:52)", "body": "Nice to see Penn State get trounced. Go Bucks!"}, {"response": 18, "author": "gud", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (22:59)", "body": "I definitely agree that the Wolverines should be #1. Florida St. seemed to have a pretty easy go at it with NC though. Nonetheless, Michigan has the best defense in the country, the best player in the country in Charles Woodson, and they beat the #2 ranked team in the nation by 26 points. What else do you need?"}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (01:10)", "body": "I would have argued that Ricky Williams was the best play but he kind of let us down today with an 80 yard day. And the leading Heisman contender quarterback had a poor day too. So you may have something."}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (12:55)", "body": "1. Michigan (44) 9-0 1,723 4 2. Florida St. (23) 9-0 1,693 3 3. Nebraska (3) 9-0 1,623 1 4. Ohio St. 9-1 1,496 7 5. Tennessee 7-1 1,477 8 6. Penn St. 7-1 1,342 2 7. Georgia 7-1 1,314 9 8. North Carolina 8-1 1,248 5 9. UCLA 7-2 1,200 10 10. Kansas St. 8-1 1,125 11 11. LSU 7-2 995 14 12. Florida 7-2 966 13 13. Washington 7-2 898 6 14. Washington St. 8-1 873 16 15. Arizona St. 7-2 865 15 16. Auburn 7-2 615 17 17. Mississippi St. 6-2 473 19 18. Texas A&M 7-2 418 21 19. Purdue 7-2 404 23 19. Virginia Tech 7-2 404 20 21. Syracuse 7-3 372 22 22. Iowa 6-3 289 12 23. Wisconsin 8-2 288 - 24. Oklahoma St. 7-2 254 25 25. Missouri 6-4 115 - Others receiving votes: West Virginia 88, Colorado St. 82, Virginia 26, Southern Miss. 22, Louisiana Tech 14, Toledo 14, Air Force 13, Mississippi 9, Tulane 3, Clemson 2, Marshall 2, Miami, Ohio 2, Michigan St. 1, Oregon 1, Southern Cal 1. Mizzou deserves to be at least 25!"}, {"response": 21, "author": "gud", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (16:03)", "body": "I knew those pollsters would finally come around. It's kinda cool to attend a college that has the #1 ranked team in the nation! Hopefully now we won't blow it, and maybe even pull off a National Championship."}, {"response": 22, "author": "gud", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (16:04)", "body": "And hey Terry, I'll give ya Mizzou at 25...Definitely!"}, {"response": 23, "author": "ledfords", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (17:47)", "body": "I'll agree with Brian, I'm just glad it finally happened before I graduated!! I really hope they don't blow it, because I don't think my plane tickets to Pasedena are refundable!!"}, {"response": 24, "author": "rubi", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (18:12)", "body": "The alliance people must be downing pepto by the case. Any doubters out there that don't think Mich. deserves the top spot should take a look at who roles in to Ann Arbor on Nov. 22. That will be one for the ages!!!Three words for Nebraska and FSU fans out there: STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE!!! With a victory there all doubts will go the way of a Scott Frost pass. I really hope people can be realistic when making heisman picks. Even though C.W. deserves it he has no chance. Manning or that lame runner from UT Wil iams both have a better shot. See ya all in pasadena(:"}, {"response": 25, "author": "gud", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (19:31)", "body": "I agree that Mich. should be #1 just on the fact that we have the toughest schedule in the country, and you're right Sara, I've been waiting 5 years for this to happen, and I'm glad it is before I leave. I'm not sweating OSU though, I thought our toughest game would be when we had to go to Happy Valley, and look at the outcome there. The Wolverine defense is for real! As far as the Heisman goes...a man can dream can't he? #2 all the way!"}, {"response": 26, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (10:14)", "body": "I got 7500 to play with? How about 5000 on the Air Force Academy."}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 17, 1997 (10:52)", "body": "Woo Woo"}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  7, 1997 (20:23)", "body": "Alliance bowl selections: Orange Bowl Nebraska - Tennessee Sugar Bowl Florida State - Ohio State Fiesta Bowl Kansas State - Syracuse"}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 15, 1998 (20:49)", "body": "Well, it's 98. But here are the bowl games. Wednesday, December 23 - College louisville 3.5 marshall (Motor City Bowl) Friday, December 25 - College oregon 5.5 colorado (Aloha Bowl) air force 3.5 washington (Oahu Bowl) Saturday, December 26 - College missouri 3.5 west virginia (Insight.com Bowl) Tuesday, December 29 - College alabama 5.5 virginia tech (Music City Bowl) miami fla 7.0 no carolina st (Micron PC Bowl) kansas state 11.5 purdue (Alamo Bowl) Wednesday, December 30 - College so mississippi 15.5 idaho (Humanitarian Bowl) nebraska 3.0 arizona (Holiday Bowl) Thursday, December 31 - College tulane 5.5 byu (Liberty Bowl) usc 16.0 texas christian (Sun Bowl) virginia 1.5 georgia (Peach Bowl) texas tech 8.5 mississippi (Independence Bowl) Friday, January 1 - College penn state 6.5 kentucky (Outback Bowl) georgia tech 1.0 notre dame (Gator Bowl) michigan 3.0 arkansas (Citrus Bowl) *texas 6.5 mississippi st (Cotton Bowl)***** ucla 9.0 wisconsin (Rose Bowl) ohio state 12.0 texas a&m (Sugar Bowl) Saturday, January 2 - College florida 7.5 syracuse (Orange Bowl) Monday, January 4 - College florida state 4.5 tennessee (Fiesta Bowl)"}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Mar  8, 1999 (07:54)", "body": "March Madness is here again: Here are the tournament seeds: SOUTH WEST EAST MIDWEST 1 Auburn 1 Connecticut 1 Duke 1 Michigan State 16 Winthrop 16 UT San Antonio 16 Florida A&M 16 Mt St Mary's 8 Syracuse 8 Missouri 8 Charleston 8 Villanova 9 Oklahoma State 9 New Mexico 9 Tulsa 9 Mississippi 5 UCLA 5 Iowa 5 Wisconsin 5 UNC Charlotte 12 Detroit 12 UAB 12 SW Missouri St 12 Rhode Island 4 Ohio State 4 Arkansas 4 Tennessee 4 Arizona 13 Murray State 13 Siena 13 Delaware 13 Oklahoma 6 Indiana 6 Florida 6 Temple 6 Kansas 11 Geo Washington 11 Pennsylvania 11 Kent 11 Evansville 3 St John's 3 North Carolina 3 Cincinnati 3 Kentucky 14 Samford 14 Weber State 14 George Mason 14 New Mexico St 7 Louisville 7 Minnesota **7 Texas** 7 Washington 10 Creighton 10 Gonzaga 10 Purdue 10 Miami Ohio 2 Maryland 2 Stanford 2 Miami Fla 2 Utah 15 Valparaiso 15 Alcorn State 15 Lafayette 15 Arkansas St Texas may be able to get by Purdue, but Miami will be tough! And let's not even talk about Duke."}, {"response": 31, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Aug  6, 2000 (20:52)", "body": "Nebraska ranked number 1, no surprise there. UT is as high as number 3 in some polls."}, {"response": 32, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Aug  6, 2000 (22:00)", "body": "where is Penn State??? Bottom 20th??? Going to check...."}, {"response": 33, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Aug  6, 2000 (22:13)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll The Associated Press Top 25 college football preseason poll, with number of first-place votes and last season's record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Nebraska (36) (12-1) 1,732 3 2. Florida St (29) (12-0) 1,720 1 3. Alabama (3) (10-3) 1,570 8 4. Wisconsin (1) (10-2) 1,408 4 5. Miami Fla (9-4) 1,392 15 6. Michigan (10-2) 1,380 5 7. Texas (2) (9-5) 1,297 21 8. Kansas St (6) (11-1) 1,276 6 9. Florida (9-4) 1,255 12 10. Georgia (8-4) 1,226 16 11. Virginia Tech (11-1) 1,044 2 12. Tennessee (9-3) 940 9 13. Washington (7-5) 816 NR 14. Purdue (7-5) 751 25 15. USC (6-6) 723 NR 16. Ohio St (6-6) 601 NR 17. Clemson (6-6) 599 NR 18. Mississippi (8-4) 541 22 19. Oklahoma (7-5) 455 NR 20. TCU (8-4) 404 NR 21. Illinois (8-4) 361 24 22. Penn St (10-3) 359 11 23. So Mississippi (9-3) 224 14 24. Colorado (7-5) 166 NR 25. Michigan St (10-2) 145 7 Others Receiving Votes: Texas A&M 139, UCLA 115, East Carolina 75, Oregon 63, Auburn 36, Colorado St 35, Mississippi St 34, Utah 33, Notre Dame 32, Virginia 26, Marshall 23, Arkansas 22, Georgia Tech 10, LSU 10, Syracuse 9, BYU 7, Minnesota 5, Boston College 3, Texas Tech 3, Toledo 3, Stanford 2, Arizona St 1, Oregon St 1."}, {"response": 34, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Aug  6, 2000 (22:15)", "body": "So, where is the fearsome Hawaii team no one in Texas wants to play??"}, {"response": 35, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct  1, 2000 (18:43)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 1. Florida St (5-0) 2. Nebraska (4-0) 3. Virginia Tech (4-0) 4. Kansas St (5-0) 5. Clemson (5-0) 6. Michigan (4-1) 7. Miami Fla (3-1) 8. Ohio St (4-0) 9. Oregon (4-1) 10. Oklahoma (4-0) 11. Texas (3-1) 12. Florida (4-1) 13. Washington (3-1) 14. TCU (4-0) 15. Auburn (5-0) 16. UCLA (4-1) 17. So Mississippi (3-1) 18. USC (3-1) 19. Georgia (3-1) 20. Mississippi St (3-1) 21. Tennessee (2-2) 22. Northwestern (4-1) 23. Oregon St (4-0) 24. Wisconsin (3-2) 25. Notre Dame (2-2) ESPN/USA Today Top 25 Coach's Poll 1. Nebraska 4-0 2. Florida State 5-0 3. Virginia Tech 4-0 4. Kansas State 5-0 5. Clemson 5-0 6. Michigan 4-1 7. Ohio State 4-0 8. Miami (Fla.) 3-1 9. Florida 4-1 10. Texas 3-1 11. Washington 3-1 12. Oklahoma 4-0 13. Auburn 5-0 14. Texas Christian 4-0 15. Oregon 4-1 16. Southern California 3-1 17. UCLA 4-1 18. Southern Mississippi 3-1 19. Georgia 3-1 20. Mississippi State 3-1 21. Tennessee 2-2 22. Wisconsin 3-2 23. Oregon State 4-0 24. Northwestern 4-1 25. Michigan State 3-1 sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 36, "subject": "St. Louis Cardinals", "response_count": 24, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Fri, Jul  3, 1998 (20:11)", "body": "T E A M \ufffd N O T E B O O K From Pro Sports Xchange -- July 2, 1998 INSIDE PITCH Martha Hutchinson came to St. Louis on Tuesday (June 30) to watch son Chad Hutchinson sign a contract with the Cardinals. It was an exciting day, a proud day for the family. But she couldn't stay long, as she had to rush back to San Diego for her job. \"I'd like to spend more time here,\" she said. \"I'll definitely be here when Chad pitches for the Cardinals for the first time.\" The way their pitching has gone this season, that might be sooner than she thinks. But for now, just signing his first pro contract was huge for Hutchinson, 21, drafted in the second round and No. 48 overall last month. His parents, his girlfriend, his brother and sisters came for the event, as Hutchinson signed his record-setting contract with the Cardinals. Taken in the second round of this year's draft, with the 48th selection overall, the right-handed pitcher received a $2.3 million signing bonus and $1.1 million spread over the next four years, according o a source. The package is the richest the Cardinals ever have given to a drafted player. Hutchinson said the money is important, since it will help his mom ease some of the financial strains she's endured raising a family of five children. \"But other factors outweighed the money,\" he said. \"It's more of a lifestyle issue. I've been grooming myself for this for a long time. I had a tough year physically playing football last year. I saw how hard football can be on your body. When I'm 40, I'd like to be able to walk around and have fun. \"And being drafted by the St. Louis Cardinals, it just felt right.\" Hutchinson was drafted in the first round by the Atlanta Braves out of high school three years ago. He chose to play baseball and football at Stanford instead so he could decide which sport he really preferred to pursue on the pro level. Most of his time was devoted to football the last three years, which explains how he was able to win the starting quarterback job the last two seasons. He was regarded as one of the top college quarterbacks in the nation for the coming season and might have had a pro future in that sport. \"This is great for baseball that he chose baseball over football,\" Cardinals general manager Walt Jocketty said. \"He's one of the best young arms I've seen around the country in a long time, and he's one of the best young arms we've had in our organization for a long time. And we've had some good ones.\" His fastball was clocked at 97 mph at Stanford this past season. He also throws a slider and split-finger fastball. Control and perhaps adding a changeup will be his first orders of business. Hutchinson hasn't thrown much since the end of his college season. So he'll need some time to get into shape, then will join the Cardinals' New Jersey team in the Class A New York-Penn League -- the same place Cardinals pitchers such as Alan Benes and Matt Morris made their pro debuts. \"He'll go at his own pace,\" Jocketty said, \"which I think would be pretty quick.\" BY THE NUMBERS: 15-17 -- Cardinals' record in games when Mark McGwire hits a home run. QUOTE TO NOTE: \"We stink.\" -- Cardinals outfielder Brian Jordan. NOTES, QUOTES, ANECDOTES Apparently being No. 2 is better than being No. 1, because Colorado's Dante Bichette is going to the All-Star Game as a reserve outfielder while Cardinals outfielder Brian Jordan is staying home. Jordan leads the National League in hitting with a .345 batting mark, is on pace to hit about 30 home runs and more than 100 runs, and he's provided solid protection for Mark McGwire since moving into the cleanup spot. What's more, he's one of the best defensive outfielders in the game. \"It goes to show you that they should expand the rosters to at least 35 players,\" said McGwire, who will be the Cardinals' lone All-Star representative. \"A guy leading the league in hitting doesn't make it -- it's sad.\" Jordan said: \"It gives me the incentive to cuss more people out. But what can you do?\" He said he and his personal trainer, Bob Kersee, were angry when they saw the names of the reserve selections scroll across the television screen. Jordan thinks it didn't help that his season might have been overlooked in the shadows cast by McGwire. \"Everybody keeps telling me they're waiting for a breakthrough year,\" Jordan said. \"I thought '96 was my breakthrough year, but they still had question marks after getting injured. So I'll just break through again and again. Whatever it takes.\" Jordan could still go to the All-Star Game if Colorado outfielder Larry Walker can't go because of his elbow problems. But, said Jordan, he'd prefer not being an injury replacement. The Cardinals used the opportunity of Hutchinson's signing to spend some serious time talking with agent Scott Boras about first-round draft pick J.D. Drew -- Boras also is Hutchinson's agent. General manager Walt Jocketty and members of the Cardinals' ownership group talked long into the night Tuesday. Willie McGee is in t"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  4, 1998 (20:10)", "body": "Well, gosh. This conference is so quiet. Let's talk about the home run race. It's the hottest thing in sports right now. I'm watching the Cubs game on webtv and Sammy Sosa just hit his 57th, so he's 2 behind the Cards Mark McGuire who has 59. The record is held by Roger Maris with 61. So they're swingin' for 62. They say whoever catches the 62nd homer will have a ball worth about 2 million bucks. The Cards will be playing the Cubs in about 3 games, so if no one has the record then and Sosa hits a coule of more then it could be one of the more interesting showdowns in sports."}, {"response": 3, "author": "stacey", "date": "Sun, Sep  6, 1998 (03:38)", "body": "Mark hit #60 while I was out gardening... you could hear several neighbors exclaim!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  6, 1998 (18:28)", "body": "They're playing the Cubs now."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  6, 1998 (18:52)", "body": "er, I mean the Reds."}, {"response": 6, "author": "osceola", "date": "Wed, Sep  9, 1998 (14:00)", "body": "Mad props to Sammy Sosa for handling Mac's record-breaking HR with such class. Even the Maris family was cool, considering only about two weeks ago I read a newspaper story quoting Maris' kids saying they didn't want Mac to break the record. And even though the groundskeeper did the right thing by giving Mac the ball, Mac should show his appreciation by cutting the guy a check, even if he doesn't have to."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep  9, 1998 (17:25)", "body": "Yeah he got a offered a million $ for it on the way to turn it over. How much can a groundskeeper make, and at least Mac could send his kids to college."}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 16, 1998 (12:56)", "body": "Mark McGwire of the St. Louis Cardinals hits his 63rd home run of the season Tuesday night against the Pittsburgh Pirates. The blast, which gave him a one-homer lead over Sammy Sosa of the Chicago Cubs, was McGwire\ufffds first since he broke Roger Maris\ufffd single-season record Sept. 8 and came in the ninth inning as a pinch-hitter."}, {"response": 9, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Sep 28, 1998 (20:57)", "body": "Quite the contest between two talented batters... For posterity's sake, I suppose we should record the fact McGwire hit 70."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 29, 1998 (20:54)", "body": "70 McGwire 66 Sosa Man, two back to back games for big Mac with 2 homers in each one. But Sammy's still the man in the Dominican Republic, and they need him."}, {"response": 11, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Wed, Nov  4, 1998 (06:49)", "body": "i have a lot of admiration for mark mcguire (a great irishman, incidentally)... and for sammy sosa, as well (who does have somewhat of an irish look about him, if you look really closely)... that being said, must admit that the achievement is a little, well, \"asterisk-ed\", i suppose... really a record broken only technically... not only because 2 individuals \"broke\" the record simultaneously, not to mention the challenges presented by others- griffey, belle, the assorted vaughns (mo, greg, probably sarah)... ...but mainly because that record is rightly ruth's, and probably always will be... no other athlete (including michael jordan or wayne gretzky) has (before or since) dominated his peers as the babe did, or so indelibly marked his sport...(or the culture not only of his country, but of the world... ray robinson (a baseball writer) said that if ruth rose out of his grave today, people everywhere would recognize him, that you could set him on a street in east africa and people would know who he was...(that's probably true)...)... mainly i think that's because ruth is the genuine article, a rare instance of hype being subordinate to reality... a few things to consider... 1) mcguire (and sosa, too) have generated awe because of the distance they hit the ball (and rightly so)... mcguire in particular has received a lot of press for several 500 foot shots this season... in '27, the year ruth hit 60, he hit a home run exceeding 500 feet in every park in the american league... i read once that ruth's average (AVERAGE!) homer that year travelled 480 feet (mcguire may have averaged 420)... that, i believe, ranks as maybe one of the greatest, most awesome achievements in the history of sports... it is just mind boggling, so deviant from the norm that it seems impossible... (especially when you consider the terrible shape ruth was in by that stage in his career, having gained all that weight, never training, hardly practicing, never taking steroids or lifting weights, unless you count hotdogs and beer)... 2) in ruth's day, there was no foul pole... if a ball was fair when it left the park, and curved foul after, it was ruled foul... (and from newspaper accounts, it has been deduced that ruth lost between 4 and 6 homeruns that year because of that long obsolete rule)... (before anyone cites the old saw about balls bouncing out of the park being considered homers then (which is true, they're ground rule doubles now), realize that every homer ruth hit in his career left the park in the air)... 3) when ruth hit his 60, he outhomered not only very player... he outhomered every TEAM in the american league... he accounted for nearly 15% of the homeruns hit in the league... (for mcguire or sosa to accomplish this, they'd need to hit more than 300)... read this in the seattle times: (bill jenkinson is a noted baseball historian) \" \"I assumed Ruth would be great for his time but that he wouldn't compare to the modern athlete,\" said Jenkinson, based outside Philadelphia. \"What I found was that he hit the baseball harder and farther than anyone in history. That's an extraordinary statement, completely illogical. There's no other athletic endeavor where a man born in a prior generation - indeed, a prior century - is demonstrably superior to the current performers.\" Jenkinson is often asked to pinpoint what caused Ruth to distance himself so far from his peers that they still chase him half a century later. \"I've settled on the following term: biological aberration,\" he said. \"We have prodigies. They happen. We have a Mozart, an Einstein. You cannot explain Ruth. He should not have happened.\" \""}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov  4, 1998 (12:51)", "body": "Interesting perspective. I didn't realize how great Ruth really was till I read those stats. Raw numbers don't tell the whole story."}, {"response": 13, "author": "ratthing", "date": "Thu, Nov  5, 1998 (09:42)", "body": "as a babe ruth fan (i take his birthday off from work every year) i couldn't agree more! thanks for posting that info."}, {"response": 14, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Thu, Nov  5, 1998 (22:13)", "body": "couple more (astounding) babe facts... many consider his 1920-21 seasons (his first with the yankees, when he still weighed under 200 lbs.) to be the greatest in history... he hit .377 for those 2 years, averaged 56.5 homers, 40 doubles, and 12.5 triples... in total of 294 games, he drove in 307 runs, and scored 335 (!)...with a slugging percentage of .847 (!!!)... nearly as amazing is his 2-year on-base-percentage of .527... he also had 38 assists in the field (outstanding numbers)... and stole 31 bases (he led the yankees in steals both years)... (babe stole bases even when he got fat, and even when he got old... in fact, the only season of his major league career in which he didn't steal a base was his last, with boston, when he was 41 years old, and probably 250 lbs.)... i read a fascinating statistic in one of bill james abstracts... it's called 'estimated runs produced', and the object is to refine all statistics to meaningfully measure a player's contribution to winning games (by creating runs)... it is computed by a rather complicated formula, which i won't bore you with, but ruth is of course far and away the leader in this category (averaging 202 created runs per 162 played for his career)... these are the top ten seasonal performances, est. runs prod., in history: 1) babe ruth (1920)... 274 2) babe ruth (1923)... 266 3) ted williams (1941)... 265 4) babe ruth (1921)... 262 5) ted williams (1957)... 245 6) babe ruth (1926)... 239 7) babe ruth (1924)... 237 8) rogers hornsby (1925)... 231 9) babe ruth (1927)... 230 10) rogers hornsby (1924)... 228 thus babe ruth accounted for 6 of the 9 greatest seasons in major league history... and did so in an 8 year span in his career... and if it wasn't for 'the stomach ache heard 'round the world' in '22 (probably a venereal disease, i've read), and his suspension in '25, it well could've been 8-for-8 (and the ensuing years- '28 through '32- weren't too shabby, either; he hit .349 for those 5 years, and averaged 47 homers and 150 rbis... and the preceding years- '15 through '19, when he pitched for the red sox- were outstanding, too, averaging 20 wins and 10 losses the first 4 years, setting the world series record for consecutive scoreless innings, achieving a cumulative e.r.a. of 2.08 for that period (the 2 years '15-'16, he won 47 games and lost 25, with an e.r.a. of 1.88, and an opponent's batting average of .195 (!)... a better 2 year run (e.r.a.-wise) than christy mathewson, carl hubbell, or cy young ever had)... ruth was the BEST left handed pitcher in the game, and may have been on the way to being the best overall (and was certainly talented enough to have been a hall-of-famer on the basis of his pitching alone)... anyway, there is no equivalent of ruth in baseball, or in any other sport... he was a once-in-a-century kind of athlete... (really cool, incidentally, taking his birthday off... might adopt that tradition myself... hmmm, then just need one more to do it)... (and it becomes a movement, like arlo said)..."}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov  6, 1998 (09:22)", "body": "Wow, no modern day players made the list. Wonder what Sosa, Maris, and MacGwire's stats were by comparison?"}, {"response": 16, "author": "osceola", "date": "Fri, Nov  6, 1998 (12:44)", "body": "Babe Ruth was to baseball what Michael Jordan was to basketball. (Yes, WAS, MJ's retired, get over it.) Not only the dominant player of the game, but also someone who turned a lot of fans onto the game who normally wouldn't watch it."}, {"response": 17, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Sat, Nov  7, 1998 (05:11)", "body": "figured it up... mac's est. runs produced for this past season was 189... (respectable, but nowhere near any of the most productive seasons in history)... lifetime, mac achieves a 123 (#10 on the alltime list is joe dimaggio, at 141)... sosa this season achieved a 173... maris, in his '61 record-breaking season, came in at 141 (mantle actually scored better that year than the supposed mvp maris, achieving a highly respectable 157)... jeff bagwell's mvp season ('93, i think) was far more productive than any of those cited above (214, ranking with the greatest twenty, i should think, seasonal performances in history)... lifetime, bags scores at 130 (prob. top 50 or so alltime)..."}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  7, 1998 (08:34)", "body": "Where does Mac's 189 rank in the all time list?"}, {"response": 19, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Sat, Nov  7, 1998 (13:09)", "body": "not sure... (the list i saw only went to ten)... i'll see if i can figure it out though..."}, {"response": 20, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Mon, Nov  9, 1998 (17:26)", "body": "by the way... the white rat is 67 today (saw it in the statesman)"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  9, 1998 (18:00)", "body": "White rat?"}, {"response": 22, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Mon, Nov  9, 1998 (19:26)", "body": "yeah, whitey herzog... with respects to red, he's my favorite cards manager..."}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 19, 2002 (07:11)", "body": "Jack Buck did the Cardinals games for about 30 years, I think I heard on NPR. What a great trio, Jack Buck, Harry Carey and Joe Garagiola. These three did the Cardinals games on KMOX that I listened to as a child growing up in St. Louis."}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jun 20, 2002 (08:07)", "body": "I saw the tribute from Hut's down on West Sixth Street, there was no sound on the tv but I could Jack Buck's son giving a speech as Busch Stadium and they unveiled a statue. The two for one veggie burgers were great. And then we went to a session on intimacy at BookPeople with Karen Kreps and her special guest. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 37, "subject": "NFL 97 98 99 2000 and 2002", "response_count": 109, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "drummerboy", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (20:23)", "body": "Yea, let's hear it for those Tennessee Oliers !!! Those enormous 12,000 plus crowds are only half of the evil I wish on Bud Adams."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 1997 (02:12)", "body": "I thought they werent' supposed to take the Oilers name with them? I feel pretty much the same, like I feel about the Hawks and the football Cardinals leaving St. Louis. I know about boyce feels about the departed Browns."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (11:03)", "body": "What a great game between the Packers and the Vikings on Monday Night Football, the game came right down to the last play with Brett Favre making a (failed) attempt at a touchdown pass. It got picked off and the Vikes won. I like both these teams. Any cheeseheads in the crowd?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (12:27)", "body": "I loved the Packers punt fake and touchdown throw. Amazing and it worked so beautifully. I am not a cheesehead, but I was rooting for them to win. So close..."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (19:39)", "body": "I was torn, I like 'em both. I'd have to go with the Vikings if forced to choose."}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (20:03)", "body": "Jeff George sure has an arm worthy of the best team on the field. I could not believe some of the throws he made Monday night. They definitely deserved to win."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (11:10)", "body": "It was a huge game for both teams in the standings. The Vikings had the game within reach, but just couldn't nail it down this time, even with Randy Moss."}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (13:03)", "body": "Yup....even at home it was not a given that the Viks would win until the last minute. Don't think anyone left early!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Dec 28, 1999 (18:33)", "body": "Send Page Tuesday - 17:53 12/28/99, EST Cablevision Chief the Top Bidder for New York Jets NEW YORK (Reuters) - Charles Dolan, chairman of media and telecommunications giant Cablevision Systems Corp. (CVC.N), is the highest bidder for the New York Jets football team, a source familiar with the situation told Reuters on Tuesday. The source indicated that Dolan ``is in the process of working out any outstanding issues with the National Football League,'' and confirmed that Dolan offered the highest bid. The team was put on the block by the family of deceased owner Leon Hess, in accordance with his wishes. Hess died in May. The New York Post reported that Dolan's bid was $620 million, although this could not be confirmed. The NFL, which must approve the sale, declined to comment. Sources said potential snarls include Cablevision's ownership of three other professional sports franchises: the New York Knicks basketball team, the New York Rangers hockey team, and the New York Liberty women's basketball team. Cablevision, the nation's sixth largest cable provider, also owns Madison Square Garden, the famous New York arena that houses the Knicks, Rangers and Liberty. Dolan's brother Larry bought the Cleveland Indians baseball team for $320 million in November. The NFL forbids corporate ownership of its franchises, thus requiring an individual such as Dolan to be the owner, as opposed to Cablevision. The Jets deferred comment to Goldman Sachs & Co., the New York investment house that is advising the Jets on the sale, which was also not available for comment. Spokespeople from Cablevision and Dolan's office declined to comment. The newspaper reported that Dolan's price beats a bid of just under $600 million by Robert Wood Johnson IV, great grandson of one of the founders of Johnson & Johnson. (JNJ.N). Johnson was not available for comment. In May, the NFL approved the sale of the Washington Redskins to Maryland communications executive Daniel Snyder for $800 million, a price that includes the stadium in which the Redskins play. Local businessman Alfred Lerner bought the Cleveland Browns expansion team for $530 million in Sept. 1998. Dolan was reportedly an interested bidder in both teams. Leon Hess, who also founded the multibillion dollar oil company Amerada Hess Corp. (AHC.N), was part of a group that controlled the team since 1963, when the team was named the New York Titans. He bought out the other owners in 1977. The Jets, besieged by key injuries this year, have a 7-8 record going into the last game of the season. The team came within one game of reaching the Super Bowl last year."}, {"response": 10, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Tue, Dec 28, 1999 (18:42)", "body": "I found out something very interesting Sunday at church. Tampa buck linebacker Paul Gruber's great, great, great, great, grandfather Franz Gruber wrote the music for Silent Night."}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Dec 28, 1999 (19:03)", "body": "Thanks for putting that here. Most interesting and timely and I am sure it is news to most people. I know you are partial to Tampa Bay, but do you think they stand a chance of making it to the Super Bowl? (Love their new uniforms!)"}, {"response": 12, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (23:37)", "body": "With this child that they have at quarterback now I think they might have a good chance. Its always hard for me when its between them and the Vikings."}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (23:45)", "body": "I know...I used to be a Steelers fan and rooted for ABC - Anybody But the Cowboys. Things have changed; I have met real Texans and they have won my heart. I can't believe I am becoming a fan of that team, but until Houston gets their team up and running, I guess I just might be! This year is very odd, though. It is hard for me to decide which team I like anymore!"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (11:14)", "body": "Who's playing this weekend?"}, {"response": 15, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (21:12)", "body": "Everybody, I believe. They are not into the playoffs yet! (if you meant the NFL, that is)"}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (10:34)", "body": "Yep."}, {"response": 17, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (12:37)", "body": "I'll post it next run-through on telnet. Should be an interesting weekend all round for those who love football - that means me!"}, {"response": 18, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (21:32)", "body": "What is the telnet? Good game between Tampa Bay and Chicage. Nest week is a bye. Will be watching the Vikings"}, {"response": 19, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (21:44)", "body": "We did not get that game here (they always give us west coast teams if there is a choice - we saw the Raiders game.) Telnet: the only thing worse than Yapp software (I am kidding...but only a little!) It is the way the internet was before Windows. It is in DOS and the only color is black and white. no graphics, no pretties, no buttons to click on. You have to type commands to go anywhere...it takes some getting used to, but it was the way I learned w a y back when I first got into computers. No mouse, either. Some people, including our brave and handsome leader, Terry uses almost exclusively on Spring. He does no see my updating weather maps. All he sees is my command string which puts the image there. But, it sure has its uses. If there is a problem with my posts I can go in and see what I did wrong and why the graphic did not show up like it was supposed to do. I can then correct the problem in the next post..."}, {"response": 20, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (21:54)", "body": "Ditka, Staff Fired at New Orleans Saints NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson has decided to completely revamp his woeful team, firing general manager Bill Kuharich, coach Mike Ditka and his entire staff. Ditka, who guided New Orleans to a 15-33 mark over three seasons, including a 3-13 mark this season, was expected to meet with Benson on Thursday. Instead, the fiery Saints owner returned from vacation a day early and cleaned out the entire front office. The move was not unexpected as Benson promised ``major'' changes near the end of another dismal season. The team has gone seven straight seasons without a winning record and has never won a playoff game in its 33-year existence. ``I was grateful for the opportunity. I'm sorry it didn't work out. We tried and we didn't get it done,'' Ditka said. ``It surprised me. I thought we would get another year.'' Ditka was awarded a contract extension in August 1998 and was under contract through the 2002 campaign. He was inducted to the Hall of Fame in 1988, three years after coaching a ferocious Chicago Bears team to a lopsided Super Bowl XX victory over the New England Patriots. Kuharich had been with the Saints since 1986 and was in his third season as to president-GM-chief operating officer. Kuharich and Ditka made the bold move of giving up a plethora of draft choices in order to get the chance to select Heisman Trophy winner Ricky Williams from Texas. But Williams struggled through an injury-plagued rookie season. ``When you bring Ricky Williams in and it doesn't work out, you have to be realistic,'' Ditka said. ``Life goes on.'' The 60-year-old Ditka retired in 1992 after 11 seasons with the Bears and took a four-year break as an NBC studio commentator before being lured back to the sidelines. As a player, he made the Pro Bowl five times between 1961-66 with Dallas. He earned a pair of Super Bowl rings with the* Cowboys, as a player in 1972 and as an assistant coach five years later."}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan  9, 2000 (10:16)", "body": "The Saints bet everything on Ricky Williams, then he got hurt. And they didn't bother shelling out a measly million or so for a decent quarterback which they needed to give Ricky a shot. Look at Edgerin (sp?) James with the Colts, he had a great rookie year as a running back because the Colts had a passing game. Ricky had passing, a great blocking fullback (Ricky Brown), and a great offensive line at UT. He didn't get that at New Orleans."}, {"response": 22, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Jan  9, 2000 (14:54)", "body": "You're right. I am curious what will happen is San Francisco with their salary cap, too aged and expensive players (Jerry Rice and Steve Young) and they seriously need players who gan get the job done. It should be interesting to watch. Then there is Green Bay..."}, {"response": 23, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Tue, Jan 18, 2000 (20:18)", "body": "I grew up in South Florida and was always a Dolphin fan, then a Dolphin and Buc fan and now that we live near Tampa, of course the Bucs are my favorite team at the present time. I was shocked that we beat the Redskins on Saturday. I have an email friend in DC and I had already typed out \"Hail to the Redskins...\" and was ready to send it! I also have a soft spot in my heart for the Steelers since we lived there for three years. But, my biggest question to all of you football fans is: What do you think is going to happen in Miami with the Dolphins? And, does anyone know if the Steelers will be better off without Tom Donohoe? My guess is that they are willing to take the chance and it's probably easier to get general manager than a good coach. I think Cowher would have been hired pretty quickly by someone. One of the things that I saw that the Steelers did wrong was to let all the free agents go. Pretty soon, the team was de leted of players. I guess things got very ugly there. Anyway... I'd love to read any and all opinions. Joe Theisman, on espn site, predicts a Titan win and would be very shocked if Tampa won. Barbara"}, {"response": 24, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Tue, Jan 18, 2000 (20:20)", "body": "oops.. make that depleted of players..."}, {"response": 25, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 18, 2000 (20:29)", "body": "I sent a copy of your posts to my Hilo expert, John. I hope TB wins. Miami is beneath my contempt, thanks to Jimmy Johnson. I am not a big fan of his and when Dan Marino was QB for Pitt, he beat Penn State all the years he started. I just like them a little because they have O.J. McDuffy on the team."}, {"response": 26, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 18, 2000 (21:05)", "body": "As promised (hoped for, actually) From John Burnett: I have thoughts, but I don't have a crystal ball. My record as a sports prognosticator, quite frankly, stinks. That's why I don't bet, more than any moral outrage over the practice. Still, since my thoughts are just that--thoughts, and I have never been shy about what I think, here goes. Cowher is a fine coach and I'm glad Pittsburgh was willing to stick with him during a lean couple of years. If they get a good football person in the GM position, they will be glad they stuck with Cowher. I can't express how profoundly I admire Dan Marino and hate Jimmy Johnson, despite his record as a winner. Johnson, to me, is the perfect example of a \"win at all costs\" personality: sportsmanship and citizenship be damned, if need be. He consistently had unsportsmanlike and criminal behavior on his teams as U. of Miami's (Florida) head coach...won three Super Bowls in Dallas with a team that had a rap sheet longer than Capone's and would have put Lawrence Phillips and his well-documented problems with the law and society in general in the backfield if he thought he could control him. I think that Miami is at the cusp of a down cycle. Marino may play another year, but the Dolphins need to find younger talent, at quarterback and at key line positions, linebacker and in the defensive backfield. As for Tampa Bay. I love Tony Dungy. He was passed over many times for head coaching positions when he deserved a shot, mostly because he was black and partially because he comes across as cerebral rather than emotional. I think he has done wonders with this young ballclub. They are defense-minded, no surprise since Dungy is a career defensive coordinator with a great run at Pittsburgh. But I think they are still on the way up and this is not yet their year. Quarterback Shawn King is just a rookie, albeit a fine one and a diamond strike within a vein of tin. They have a bruiser of a back in Alstott. But I think Mr. Theismann is right. It looks like midnight for Cinderella at the fancy ball. St. Louis and Jacksonville look almost unstoppable at this point and I think it will be those two (featuring two guys--Kurt Warner and Mark Brunell--who were backup quarterbacks at Green Bay to Brett Favre)in the final cotillion."}, {"response": 27, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 18, 2000 (21:08)", "body": "Pumpkin time for Tampa Bay? How disappointing. Wait'll next year!!! Thanks, John...splendid job as usual. Must be great to have profundities pour out of your fingers every time you sit at the keyboard. You, my dear, are wired right!!!"}, {"response": 28, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Wed, Jan 19, 2000 (08:30)", "body": "Gosh, Marcia... more than I expected and great comments, John. I hate to be so personal in my feelings but I've always had a strong dislike for JJ since the year they beat us (the Seminoles) by stealing our plays. We are sure they did this. (The Gators also did this to us one year by having someone impersonate a student but don't ask me how JJ accomplished his!!!) I was really sorry to see him go to Miami and felt bad for Dan. I thought Don Shula had a much better plan and that was to take advantage f the talent he had rather than trying to fit the talent into a system the way JJ does. Also, John, what do you think of Kordell Stewart's chances of being the franchise QB? I really had high hopes for him and especially when Cowher kissed him on the sidelines, I thought the team was set. But, you know what happened in the last year and the year before wasn't so great either. Having not read all the press in Pittsburgh, I can't comment too thoroughly but I do believe that Cowher, who has a lovely family, was followed by rumors of affairs, etc. This was a horrible thing for that family to go through. He has two or three daughters who are adorable and a lovely wife. And, I read there were rumors about Kordell, also, similar to the gay rumors about Troy Aikman in Dallas. (noted in the book Hell Bent, by Skip Bayless) I'm glad to talk to another who appreciates Tony D. He is the best thing to ever hit Tampa and a great coach and man. Notice that he did get lots of criticism for not drafting Moss but then, after Moss squirts an official with a water bottle, I'm sure Tony is feeling that he did make the right decision. Plus, Dilfer couldn't get the ball to him, anyway, and we don't throw all that much. (which is frustrating for me because I do love the long passing game.) I'm glad you said \"might\" be the end for Tampa, because that's what I was thinking last week, and you really do never know. Remember, there is a reason they play the games!!! (I really think this is the end but I want to portray a positive image.) That's all I can think of for the moment!!!! Barbara"}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (09:33)", "body": "I kind of like hometown St. Louis chances this year."}, {"response": 30, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (18:07)", "body": "From John Burnett I don't know what to think of Kordell Stewart. He's a great talent but outside of one good year has been inconsistent (the second coming of Neil O'Donnell). I'm not interested in rumors of sexual preference or infidelity...until someone has proof, rumors are just that. That stuff is for the tabloids. NFL and NBA players have fathered more children out of wedlock than all the sperm banks in America combined. They couldn't do it without willing partners. To me the only issue is once the babies are made, do they take care of them? If the answer is no, then you have a true character issue. Every coach and player in the league who is worth anything respects Tony Dungy. Not because there are no rumors. Because he is a great coach. As a media person, I found Shula haughty, condescending and almost inaccessible, but you can't argue with the results he had in 30 years of coaching...especially in 1972, which made up for being upset in the Super Bowl in 1970 with the Colts. A lot of media people would also give the same appraisal of Joe Paterno, who once quipped, \"If I were to get a brain transplant, I'd want the donor to be a sportswriter. Then I'll know the brain has never been used.\" I don't have to like a person to respect him."}, {"response": 31, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (18:08)", "body": "Joe Paterno really said that? I had not heard that, but John's word is Gospel truth to me, so I guess he did...*sigh*"}, {"response": 32, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (19:01)", "body": "Good for Joe Paterno. It really ticks me off when they sit up there telling what should have been done. Hindsight makes geniuses. Tony Dungy likes the players who are members of the Fellowhip Of Christian Athletes in which he is very active. Don't be too surprised if Sean pulls another one out of the hat. I just hope that Warren Sapp is ready to play."}, {"response": 33, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (19:15)", "body": "Marcia, It sounds to me as though Joe P. was joking when he said that about the sport's writer's brain! I would certainly take it that way. John, if you don't mind telling, what kind of media person are or were you? I appreciate your comments. I hope Kordell can get his act together and be the qb that I had hoped he would be. I heard Don Shula on an interview on Sunshine Network Live talking about Dan Marino. He said he thought Dan would definitely remain a Dolphin and would not go to another team if he did indeed play next year. He is heavily rooting for the Bucs, of course, because his son Mike is offensive coordinator of the Bucs. I agree about the rumors but only mentioned them to show the kind of horrible pressures that athletes live with. (and all famous people for that matter.) At least that's what I was thinking when I mentioned them. I'm pretty excited about the games this week end. I hope the Bucs can play with the Rams and don't embarrass themselves by having a lousy game. I really can't make a prediction because my heart is too Buc oriented. Barbara"}, {"response": 34, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (19:36)", "body": "re Paterno of the Penn State Nittany Lions (Sorry! Could not help myself)He tends to be a dour sort. Whether it is from shyness or something else, he covers it with bruskness and Brooklyn attitude. I would hope he was kidding. John is amongst many things a peerless sports play-by-play man and a writer of rare skill on all thing, but particularly on sports. He has coached and he has participated in sports on many levels (This is necessarily brief just in case he has the time to fill in the gaps I am l aving.)"}, {"response": 35, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (20:07)", "body": "John Sez Joe Paterno's a great coach. The record speaks for itself. And he's certainly not alone in not liking or at least being uncomfortable around the media. I don't know what his real personality is like. He doesn't show it to the media. Maybe he's a robot. He hasn't aged in 30 years. Of course, we in the media have our own robot: Dick Clark."}, {"response": 36, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (22:01)", "body": "John: I'm sure the sportswriter comment was a joke. He is definitely not comfortable with the media, though and will speak to very few. At least he isn't as openly hostile as Bobby Knight or Bob Huggins are."}, {"response": 37, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Fri, Jan 21, 2000 (05:39)", "body": "Bobby Knight. What can I say? I'm sure he's a great coach but as a person... Yuck. Would it have been so hard for him to say something diplomatic about the Steve Alford situation? (I guess so!) IT's sad to me that this is a man so universally admired by so many. Barbara"}, {"response": 38, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Fri, Jan 21, 2000 (07:32)", "body": "This might be of interest to Buc fans and to Dolphin fans. There's some speculation about Dan Marino. http://www.sptimes.com/News/011700/Sports/Bucs_fortunate_JJ_sai.shtml Barbara"}, {"response": 39, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Fri, Jan 21, 2000 (16:20)", "body": "So, Terry, what is the St. Louis Rams fight song like? (This is in case I have to sing it for you if the Rams win.) Barbara"}, {"response": 40, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jan 21, 2000 (17:13)", "body": "Interesting sports page with great links. Thanks for posting it. Please don't even think of learning the Ram's fight song...not till after this weekend, anyway! Don't wanna jinx them, huh!"}, {"response": 41, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (11:21)", "body": "Marcia, Last week, I had Hail to the Redskins all typed out and ready to send to a friend of mine in D.C... So, I was really thinking that if I had the words to the Rams song and could type them in an email, ready to go, then, it just might bring the Bucs the good luck that they are surely going to need! Barbara"}, {"response": 42, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (13:34)", "body": "Yup! I know the feeling...Hail to the Redskins is the only fight song of a pro team I do know...but it is irrelevant this year. I cannot think of how any of the others sound! Only 24 hours to wait...and I am gonna be up to my ears in rain trying to watch opening day for the UHHilo Softball season. Bring SCUBA and wetsuit!"}, {"response": 43, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (17:16)", "body": "Speaking of fight songs... here's one I know. Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins, Miami Dolphins, Number One... (lots of other words follow... leading up to.... So, when you say \"Miami\" You're talking Super Bowl... This song was very popular during the undefeated 1972 season and I was totally shocked to hear the same song sung by the... Houston Oilers... with different words, mind you, but the same tune and song. It's cold here in Tampa Bay and I have the heat on. Have a good at the baseball field and give us a report when you get back. Barbara"}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (18:45)", "body": "I don't know the Rams fight song, the Bucs are going to need not only luck but defense, they're going to pit their best defense in football against the best offense. This may be the big game of the year, moreso than the Superbowl."}, {"response": 45, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (21:59)", "body": "The semifinal game being better than the Superbowl will not be new to me. It seems it has been that way for about 10 or more years!"}, {"response": 46, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Sun, Jan 23, 2000 (05:29)", "body": "The Jacksonville and Titan game should be an interesting one, also. It will be something if the Titans can pull off another win. Sometimes, one team just has another team's number and is able to beat them. Jacksonville was usually able to beat the Steelers every time. That was annoying to me, since it ocurred when we were in PA rooting for PA. The Titans came to Tampa Bay last season and beat us badly. We just could not stop Eddie George and I don't remember the score, but I know it was decisive victory for them and painful for me to watch. This should be a great football day. Good luck to all the teams and may the best teams win!!!! Barbara"}, {"response": 47, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Jan 23, 2000 (11:29)", "body": "...on any given Sunday... I am sure this will be the best football day of them all as far as NFL goes. Have your bean dip shaped football and munchies all ready? Tall cool ones on ice? I am still wondering what to have for breakfast when all of that other more papatable food is sitting there waiting for my consumption of same. The teams who want it the most will win. I just hope none of them are blow-outs. Cheers, and the best team Will win - or they are not the best team...*grin*"}, {"response": 48, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Jan 23, 2000 (20:05)", "body": "Ok, now who're you gonna root for next week? It's the last football game of the year, so we hafta watch...It's the last fix we get till the Hall of Fame game in August or the Kickoff Classic."}, {"response": 49, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Jan 23, 2000 (20:12)", "body": "Well, they were not blow-outs...they were boring. Too bad the most important one had to hinge on a dubious call."}, {"response": 50, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (11:47)", "body": "St. Louis, my hometown."}, {"response": 51, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (12:50)", "body": "I thought it was Springfield. OK, Lets root for Terry's team (even though it does not pass the PSDU test. But, neither does Tennessee...)"}, {"response": 52, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (13:23)", "body": "A new arrival in Hell was brought before the devil. The devil told his demon to put the man to work on a rock pile with a 20-pound sledgehammer in 95-degree heat with 95% humidity. At the end of the day, the devil went to see how the man was doing, only to find him smiling and singing as he pounded rocks. The man explained that the heat and hard labor were very similar to those on his beloved farm back in Tennessee. The devil told his demon to turn up the heat to 120 degrees, with 100% humidity. At the end of the next day, the devil again checked on the new man, and found him still happy to be sweating and straining. The man explained that it felt like the old days, when he had to clean out his silo in the middle of August on his beloved farm back in Tennessee. At that, the devil told his demon to lower the temperature for this man to -20 degrees with a 40-mph wind. At the end of the next day, the devil was confident that he would find the man miserable. But, the man was instead singing louder than ever, twirling the sledgehammer like a baton. When the devil asked him why he was so happy, the man answered, \"It's a cold day in Hell! The Titans must be going to the Super Bowl!"}, {"response": 53, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (17:29)", "body": "Congratulations, Terry. I would sing the Rams fight song for you if you or I knew the words!!! Barbara :)"}, {"response": 54, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (18:17)", "body": "New York Jets Name Al Groh As Coach HEMPSTEAD, New York (Reuters) - Al Groh has spent a good portion of his career following Bill Parcells. He now follows Parcells as the coach of the New York Jets. Unable to convince Parcells to remain on the sidelines, new Jets owner Robert Wood Johnson IV today named Groh, a 55-year-old Long Island native, as the 14th coach in franchise history. Groh, a linebackers coach the last three seasons, received a four-year contract at undisclosed terms to face the enticing yet daunting task of following Parcells, his close friend who took two different teams to the Super Bowl. The only previous head coaching experience for Groh came at Wake Forest from 1981-86, when he compiled a 26-40 record. Groh was linebackers coach for Parcells with the New York Giants in 1989 and 1990, a term that included a Super Bowl victory. He was defensive coordinator for the Giants under Ray Handley in 1991 after Parcells retired for the first time. In 1992, Groh was an assistant under Belichick in Cleveland before being reunited with Parcells in a four-year run as an assistant with the New England Patriots. When Parcells took over the Jets in 1997, Groh came along. Groh was raised in Manhasset, New York a short drive from the Jets' training complex and has had a transient career that included 12 stops in 32 years. His son, Matt, was a quarterback at Princeton last fall. Groh inherits a team that won seven of its last nine games and will be considered a possible Super Bowl contender with the return of quarterback Vinny Testaverde from a torn Achilles tendon. While he will seek Parcells' advise, he left no doubt who will be in charge."}, {"response": 55, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (18:39)", "body": "Chiefs Linebacker Thomas Suffers Fractured Spine KANSAS CITY, Mo. (Reuters) - Kansas City Chiefs star linebacker Derrick Thomas, who suffered two spinal fractures after a car accident on Sunday but was in good condition, will be moved to a Florida hospital for treatment, hospital and team officials said on Monday. ``They will be transporting him later today to Miami,'' said Liberty Hospital spokeswoman Mary Cummings. ``He does have two fractures in his spine, but he is in good condition.'' Cummings said doctors did not know ``to what degree and how permanent'' the partial paralysis is for the nine-time NFL Pro Bowl player. Chiefs' president Carl Peterson and team physicians met with Thomas and his family in making the decision to move him out of Kansas City, Cummings said. Thomas, 33, will be transferred to Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami, which has a worldwide reputation for the treatment of spinal injuries, team officials said. Team physician Jon Browne said Thomas has ``some neurological impairment, which has continued to evolve'' but has good use of his upper extremities and his upper chest area. Thomas was injured and a friend was killed when a sudden winter storm hit the Kansas City area while he was driving. He lost control of his sports-utility vehicle when it slid on a patch of icy roadway, struck the median and rolled several times, according to Missouri Highway Patrol spokesman John Hotz. Thomas and Michael Tellis, a friend and former business partner, were ejected from the vehicle. Tellis died at the scene. Neither Thomas nor Tellis was wearing a seat belt, the highway patrol said. A third passenger who was wearing a seat belt was slightly injured."}, {"response": 56, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (21:21)", "body": "When will people learn to use seat belts? If my long time friends hadn't been wearing them this fall they would both be dead. As it is they are still nursing broken ribs, which take forever to heal. I will be pulling for the Rams. That way I can say that the Buc's were beaten by the best. It was a good game though. I think a lot of people were surprised that the Rams were held to so few points. The Buc's need a better offensive line. I don't know if Jason Odom will be back or not but I hope so."}, {"response": 57, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (02:09)", "body": "Wait til the draft and all the trades sort themselves out. Next year and in the following years I think TB will be very hard to beat. Go Rams!!!"}, {"response": 58, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (16:36)", "body": "The papers are talking about lots of changes in Tampa Bay. I hear rumors but don't know many details. One thing Mike Alstott said on his radio show yesterday was that they play as a team and lose as a team and the offense and defense don't blame each other. This is good and shows what a great coach Tony is. Hopefully, he can make the changes that need to be made and get the players we need to be more competitive. I'm rooting for the Titans in the big game. Sorry, Terry and Marcia, and Lucy... Get the words to that Ram fight song, ready though! Barbara"}, {"response": 59, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (17:53)", "body": "Here is the Penn State contribution to the NFL http://www.psu.edu/sports/football/history/psunfl.html I note that there are two in TBm Tyoka Jackson and Reggie Givens We have on Tennessee Titans: Mike Archie and Terry Killens There is not one single PSU player on the entire Rams roster. Guess you know what is going on inside my head, but the best team WILL win."}, {"response": 60, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (20:15)", "body": "Mike should take some lessons on how to hold on to the ball. How many time did he fumble right at the goal line. I really like Warrick Dunn. He is raising 5 brothers and sisters on his own plus helping low income families get homes by making the down payments on the houses."}, {"response": 61, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (20:35)", "body": "Yup! Mile needs pine tar or whatever stickum to make the ball stay in his hands! It is going to be interesting to see Warrick Dunn mature as a player. He can really make a big difference in the world as well as on the field!"}, {"response": 62, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (20:51)", "body": "I love Warrick Dunn. He's been a favorite of mine since his days at FSU. A funny coincidence but it was Doug Williams who brought Warrick to Bobby Bowden's attention and then, Warrick roomed with Charlie Ward at FSU. It's so sad that his mother was killed when he was so young but he has been such a fine young man. Whenever he gets the ball, I close my eyes and hope no one hurts him. (I know I miss some game action that way, but I can't help it.) It's still a little painful for me to watch the Super Bowl hype and I'm glad it's just one week long. Barbara"}, {"response": 63, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (20:55)", "body": "Just checked a web site wfts.com and it reports that the Bucs have chosen not to keep Dilfer and he is now a free agent. Barbara"}, {"response": 64, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (21:04)", "body": "Hate to post a hundred times... but I just read something about Anthony Dorsett. He played at Pitt when we were in Johnstown. Marcia, I'm sure you remember the year the game between Pitt and Penn State was a scoring match and ended with a win by Penn State, of course. Pitt was so lousy but Anthony was one good player. Now he's with the Titans. I hate to admit this, Marcia, but I did root for Pitt only because they were the underdogs and needed a fan more than Penn State did!!! Barbara"}, {"response": 65, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (21:28)", "body": "Hey, where is it written that you can't root for the team you want to win. This is America and all is forgiven! Pitt was our nemesis when I was there. They beat us consistenetly and thoroughly...which is why I am not a huge fan of Dan Marino even though he deserves better, and really don't like Bear Bryant or Jackie Sherrill. OK how attack me in St Bear's defense... I remember Tony Dorset when he pronounced it DORset..."}, {"response": 66, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (21:29)", "body": "Oh, if it makes you feel any better, by good buddy John once bet against Penn State and lost. He never bet again!"}, {"response": 67, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Wed, Jan 26, 2000 (07:16)", "body": "I'm not a betting person. Once, one of the bag boys at Publix, where I shopped during the Wide right fiascos when FSU kept losing to Miami, bet his whole salary that FSU would lose. Well, I told him not to do it, but would he listen? Nooooo. So, that was one of the years we beat them. I'd never bet against Penn State. There's just too much winning tradition there. Hugs, Barbara"}, {"response": 68, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Feb  1, 2000 (14:59)", "body": "Regarding betting against Penn State, John told me he never would again as he lost the one time he did! I am also not a betting person, and I am never sure about PSU until the game is over. We seem to play our worst when the gods of football and everyone on TV can watch us do it! Why is it I feel responsible for their poor performances?!"}, {"response": 69, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Thu, Feb  3, 2000 (09:42)", "body": "Goodbye NFL 97, 98 and 99. Hello NFL 2000."}, {"response": 70, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Feb  3, 2000 (14:15)", "body": "Excellent! Lots going on pre-draft-wise. Should be a very interesting off-season."}, {"response": 71, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Feb  3, 2000 (14:18)", "body": "Missing posts from Lucie: Response 73 of 76: Lucille Oftedahl (alyeska) * Mon, Jan 31, 2000 (21:29) * 4 lines I really thought the Titans were going to pull off a miracle. This was the best Super Bowl game in many years. Dante Culpepper was born in prison where his mother is serving time. He was adopted by a little lady who gave him a strict religeous upbringing, keeping him on the straight and narrow. She worked to get him into college and he gives her credit for everything he has accomplished. None of the bigger schools were interested in him when he was seeking a scolarship but when he started setting records at UCF a lot of them tried to get him to change schools. He stayed with UCF because he said his mother had taug t him the meaning of loyality and UCF was the school who gave him his chance. Response 74 of 76: Marcia (MarciaH) * Tue, Feb 1, 2000 (11:33) * 1 lines Wow! Thanks for posting that, Lucie. This Superbowl is fraught with human-interest (there is an animal interest category?) stories. I am impressed with this man! Response 75 of 76: Lucille Oftedahl (alyeska) * Tue, Feb 1, 2000 (20:48) * 1 lines His adopted mother is in her eighties now and has arthritis pretty bad but he make sure she is there when he wins an award or anthing else important in his life."}, {"response": 72, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Feb  9, 2000 (12:01)", "body": "Bad news for the Minnesota Vikings? VonAppen hired by Vikings Star-Bulletin staff and wire Former University of Hawaii head coach Fred vonAppen was named defensive line coach of the Minnesota Vikings today. VonAppen, who coached the Rainbows from 1996-1998, replaces Andre Patterson, who took a similar position with the Dallas Cowboys. VonAppen coached with Vikings head coach Dennis Green when the two of them were with the San Francisco 49ers. VonAppen was the 49ers defensive line coach from 1983-86, during which time the team won a Super Bowl. VonAppen was 5-31 as head coach of the Rainbows. He spent this past season as a volunteer assistant at the University of Washington."}, {"response": 73, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Feb  9, 2000 (15:31)", "body": "Any thoughts on this new \"Football\" League? Expect the worst from WWF's football By Dave Kindred - The Sporting News Here I am, at the dawn of a new millennium, thinking thoughts unthought by any thinker of the old millennium. I'm thinking of Chief Sleazoid Vince McMahon and his World Wrestling Federation's announcement that it will create, in the winter of 2001, a professional football league to be called the XFL, as in Xtreme, Xciting and Xplosive. Personally, I would consider the XFL to be Xcruciating, Xpendable and Xcreta. But it's also inevitable, so we might as well deal with it. It's inevitable because for a decade now the major league sports of football, baseball and basketball have been making the games themselves marginal, selling the Xperience as much as the competition. More and more, my feeling is, the competition itself is sold as secondary to the Xperience. The next step would be to render the games absolutely inconsequential. Now comes the WWF to do just that. \"Wherrrre's myyyy fooootballllll?\" McMahon moaned shortly after Super Bowl XXXIV left the stage. His press-conference act included a call for \"smash-mouth, wide-open football.\" And he promised, in his most pandering way, that his XFL would \"give the fans what they want.\" His idea of what football fans want, I presume, would be that they want a show, not a sports contest. They'd want the same stuff that McMahon has used to make a silly little regional rasslin' organization into a billion-dollar marketing phenomenon. That stuff would be sex, sadism, violence, racism and homophobia. The scary thing is, it might just work sensationally. By the time the XFL loads its rosters with the NFL's leftovers, the quality of football will be poor. But McMahon's shows have never been about quality; they're cartoons that allow customers to see their fears, prejudices and darkest passions acted out in public. There's an insatiable audience for such stuff; it's just never been sold to an audience as a legitimate sports event. I am reminded of a 1970s movie called \"Rollerball.\" Set in the early decades of the 21st century, the movie transformed the rasslin'-like shtick of Roller Derby into mayhem involving knives, razors and other cutting tools with rules allowing/demanding the ultimate penalty, death. Maybe the XFL will institute capital punishment for kickers who miss field-goal attempts to win in the last second. Heaven knows, many an NFL fan has wanted just that."}, {"response": 74, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar  1, 2000 (23:04)", "body": "I know this isn't the NFL - but at this time of year it will have to do: Arena League Back; Players to Act As Bargaining Unit CHICAGO (Reuters) - The Arena Football League is back in business. Six days after canceling the 2000 season, the league today was notified that an overwhelming majority of players have given the Arena Football League Players' Organization Committee authorization to act as their exclusive collective bargaining unit. Owners had decided to counter the potential formation of a players union by canceling the season. ``We want to thank all of our fans, sponsors and other business partners for their support,'' said Commissioner David Baker. ``The players have spoken, the owners have responded and the fans have won.'' Last week's news demolished the high-paced, indoor league that became even more of an intrigue this season with the emergence of Kurt Warner, who went from Iowa Barnstormers star to NFL hero. Warner was named Most Valuable Player of the NFL and Super Bowl this past season. Arena League training camps will open March 19. The regular season will begin April 13 with a game between the defending champion Albany Firebirds and Nashville Kats televised live on TNN. ``After the tremendous exposure provided by the NFL and Super Bowl MVP Kurt Warner, a former Iowa Barnstormer, and the 42 other Arena Football League participants who contributed to the NFL this past year, we expect the 2000 Arena Football season to be the greatest ever,'' Baker said. In a drastic move aimed at countering the players' request to have Local 781 of the Teamsters in Chicago act as their exclusive bargaining representative, league officials wiped out the upcoming campaign on Thursday. On February 4, Arena players filed a class action lawsuit against the league in U.S. District Court in Newark, New Jersey. The suit alleged the league violated antitrust laws by conspiring to keep down salaries. The average salary in the Arena League is roughly $30,000. The suit also alleged the league had no players association or year-round health insurance. Early reports had nearly half of the league's 640 players seeking union representation. With today's news, Arena Football will have two leagues in action this season, with the 16-team minor league, arenafootball2, still scheduled to begin play this year."}, {"response": 75, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  9, 2000 (12:31)", "body": "Monday Night Football begins overhaul HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Former NBC West Coast president Don Ohlmeyer is returning to his sports broadcasting roots, signing a two-year, seven-figure deal to serve as executive producer of ABC's ``Monday Night Football.'' Ohlmeyer cut his producing teeth on ``MNF'' in 1972-77, serving as producer of the broadcast for several seasons during the legendary era of announcers Howard Cosell, Frank Gifford and Don Meredith. In addition, ABC has sacked ``MNF'' commentator Boomer Esiason after just two seasons, with producer Ken Wolfe and director Craig Janoff also getting pinkslips. The pigskin franchise, which has suffered steady ratings erosion in recent years, will undergo a radical overhaul under Ohlmeyer. ABC Sports president Howard Katz announced the changes late Tuesday. He did not say who would replace Esiason. Play-by-play announcer Al Michaels will remain with the broadcast. Since assuming control of ABC Sports last year, Katz has been on a mission to restore the ABC Sports brand identity to its former glory. In the years following Disney's purchase of ABC, execs had tried to turn the sports unit into an offshoot of Mouse-owned sports cable network ESPN. In an interview with Daily Variety, Ohlmeyer said his job would be to make ``MNF'' a weekly big-ticket broadcast. ``Can you make 'Monday Night Football' something that has more impact than just another football game?'' he asked rhetorically. ``I don't know, but that's what the challenge is.'' Ohlmeyer declined to say who might get the Esiason gig or what other changes might be in the works. He did indicate his intent was not to simply go retro. ``We can't bring Howard (Cossell) back from the grave,'' he said, ``and we can't bring Don (Meredith) back from Santa Fe.'' ``MNF'' had its worst Nielsen numbers ever last season, averaging a 13.7 household rating, down a tad from the year before. Sports industry analysts have already speculated that ABC may attempt to woo former Jets coach Bill Parcells or newly retired Jimmy Johnson into the broadcast booth. John Elway and Steve Young have also been mentioned as candidates. ABC approached Ohlmeyer about returning late last year, but he initially resisted. He ultimately came around, and a deal to bring him back was worked out relatively quickly, insiders said. Ohlmeyer handed over his NBC West Coast president reins to Scott Sassa last June."}, {"response": 76, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (14:38)", "body": "NFL NEWS - Friday, March 10, 2000 ----------------------------------------------------------- IN THIS ISSUE: 1. Marino Offered Minnesota's Starting QB Job 2. Jets Considering Trading Keyshawn Johnson 3. Trent Dilfer Lands In Baltimore 4. This Week's Transactions +------ Marino Offered Minnesota's Starting QB Job ------+ MINNEAPOLIS - Dan Marino was offered Minnesota's starting quarterback job last week in talks with Vikings coach Dennis Green, according to broadcast reports. ESPN and Fox Sports Net, citing unidentified sources, said Sunday night Green assured the former Miami Dolphins star he would be the starter. Marino, who has not attracted much interest from other teams, also is considering retirement. The 38-year-old quarterback, the NFL's career leading passer, became a free agent last month after voiding his contract with Miami. Minnesota has decided not to re-sign starter Jeff George, and plans to release Randall Cunningham. The Vikings are hesitant to hand over the starting job to Daunte Culpepper, the team's No. 1 draft pick last year. +------- Jets Considering Trading Keyshawn Johnson -------+ NEW YORK - The New York Jets are considering trading Pro Bowl receiver Keyshawn Johnson and have talked to the Baltimore Ravens about acquiring the fifth pick in the upcoming draft. A source familiar with the talks told The Associated Press Monday night that the Jets want Atlanta's first-round pick, fifth overall, which the Ravens own, plus a player or another draft pick. The Ravens have spoken with several teams about the No. 5 choice. New York already owns the 16th and 18th overall choices and is eager to deal into the top three should they obtain the fifth spot. +------------ Trent Dilfer Lands In Baltimore -----------+ BALTIMORE - After six years, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers lost faith in the abilities of Trent Dilfer this offseason but late Wednesday the veteran NFL quarterback got a chance to revive his career when, according to various published and broadcast reports, he was signed to a one-year, $1 million contract by the Baltimore Ravens. USA Today reported the deal included a $550,000 signing bonus. He understands as he joins his new team that he will be first and foremost the backup to Tony Banks. The Ravens did not confirm his signing. Ironically, Dilfer basically has traded places with Eric Zeier, the Ravens' former No. 2 signal-caller, who is now the backup for the Buccaneers. Dilfer's days in Tampa Bay basically ended when he suffered a broken collarbone in the Buccaneers' 16-3 win at Seattle Nov. 28 and was replaced by Shawn King. He became an unre- stricted free agent this offseason when the Bucs decided not exercise their option on the final two years of his contract, worth an estimated $4.6 million. *.*.*.*.* This Week's Transactions *.*.*.*.* Chicago Bears -- Agreed to terms with free agent safety Shawn Wooden, who had been with the Miami Dolphins, on a three-year, $3.6 million contract. Cincinnati Bengals -- Signed free agent safety Darryl Williams, who had been with Cincinnati Bengals, to a three-year contract. Denver Broncos -- Signed unrestricted free agent quarterback Gus Frerotte, who had been with the Detroit Lions; acquired safety Billy Jenkins from the St. Louis Rams for future considerations; waived safety Darrius Johnson. Green Bay Packers -- Named Darrell Bevell offensive assistant for quality control. Kansas City Chiefs -- Signed wide receivers Scott Cloman, Kirby Dar Dar, quarterbacks Marcus Crandell and Bill Lindquist, fullbacks Chris Gall and Vershan Jackson, punter Nick Gallery, centers Grant Garrett and Brian Waters, cornerback Ray Jackson, guard Rob Murphy, tight end Melvin Pearsall, linebackers Tim Terry and Jason Toren, and guard Donald Willis. Miami Dolphins -- Signed running back Thurman Thomas to a three-year contract; acquired punter Matt Turk from the Washington Redskins for a seventh-round pick in 2001. Minnesota Vikings -- Re-signed fullback Harold Morrow; signed cornerback Paul Bradford. New England Patriots -- Released cornerback Corey Ivey. New Orleans Saints -- Signed center Jason McEndoo and wide receiver Robert Wilson to one-year contracts. New York Jets -- Announced the retirement of offensive lineman John Elliott. Philadelphia Eagles -- Signed unrestricted free agent fullback Stanley Pritchett, who had been with the Miami Dolphins, to a four-year contract; re-signed defensive tackle Kelly Gregg to a one-year contract. San Diego Chargers -- Re-signed unrestricted free agent cornerback Darryll Lewis to a two-year contract; released running back Natrone Means; re-signed unrestricted free agent punter Darren Bennett. Tennessee Titans -- Named Mike Heimerdinger offensive coordinator; promoted George Henshaw to assistant head coach-offense."}, {"response": 77, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (15:08)", "body": "When did it stop being a game?! Three Suspended Under NFL's Anti-Violence Policy NEW YORK (Reuters) - Facing a growing public relations problem with off-the-field violence, the NFL suspended three players two games apiece under the league's new anti-crime policy. Guard Matt O'Dwyer and recently retired tackle Jumbo Elliott were each suspended without pay for the first two games of the 2000 season for their involvement in a bar fight last July. Both were members of the New York Jets when the incident occurred, although O'Dwyer signed with the Cincinnati Bengals before the 1999 season. O'Dwyer pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct and third-degree assault and was sentenced to probation. Elliott pleaded guilty to harassment and disorderly conduct and was sentenced to community service. Jets tackle Jason Fabini, who was also involved in the fight, was fined $14,000 by the NFL, the equivalent of his salary for one game. Denard Walker, the starting left cornerback for the AFC champion Tennessee Titans, was also suspended without pay for the first two games after pleading guilty to assault on the mother of his son. He was sentenced to probation. The suspensions and fines come after the NFL has come under fire for off-the-field violence involving players. Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis and former Carolina Panthers receiver Rae Carruth are facing murder charges."}, {"response": 78, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (04:21)", "body": "The NFL pays millions of bucks to field some of the hardest, meanest, most aggressive men in America. It can't be surprising if not all of them change characters completely every time the gun goes off (to end the game)."}, {"response": 79, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (13:42)", "body": "True...especially when they have been taking \"supplements\" which increase aggression along with bulk. I think no one is surprised. Is the NFL the only macho group fighting this problem?"}, {"response": 80, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (13:38)", "body": "NFL NEWS - Friday, March 17, 2000 ------------------------------------------------------------ IN THIS ISSUE: 1. Dan Marino Retires After 17 Years 2. NFL Suspends Four Players 3. Witness Provides Evidence in Ray Lewis Case 4. This Week's Transactions +-------- Dan Marino Retires After 17 Years --------+ DAVIE, Fla. - Dan Marino retired Monday after 17 years as quarterback of the Miami Dolphins. \"I'm going to miss it,\" Marino said, struggling to keep his composure at a news conference. \"I'm going to miss everything about it.\" The 38-year-old Marino wanted to go out like John Elway and retire as a Super Bowl champion. But after parting ways with the Dolphins, he reluctantly rejected an offer to play this year for the Minnesota Vikings. Marino's wife, children, parents and former coach Don Shula were with him for the news conference in the team meeting room - the same location used for departure speeches by Shula and Jimmy Johnson. \"This is a day of celebration of a great career,\" Shula said. Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga said the Dolphins will retire No. 13, build a statue for Marino and name a street after him near their stadium. +--------------- NFL Suspends Four Players ---------------+ NEW YORK - In the wake of growing public relations problems with off-the-field violence, the NFL late Tuesday announced the suspensions of three players for two games apiece under the league's new anti-crime policy. Guard Matt O'Dwyer and recently-retired tackle Jumbo Elliott were each suspended without pay for the first two games of the 2000 season for their involvement in a bar fight last July. Both were members of the New York Jets when the incident occurred, although O'Dwyer signed with the Cincinnati Bengals before the 1999 season. Jets tackle Jason Fabini, who was also involved in the fight, was fined $14,000 by the NFL, the equivalent of his salary for one game. Denard Walker, the starting left cornerback for the AFC champion Tennessee Titans, was also suspended without pay for the first two games after pleading guilty to assault on the mother of his son. He was sentenced to probation. The suspensions and fines are a response to off-the-field violence involving players in recent months. Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis and former Carolina Panthers wide receiver Rae Carruth currently are facing murder charges. ---------------------------------------------------------- +------ Witness Provides Evidence in Ray Lewis Case ------+ BALTIMORE - A witness to the brawl that led to murder and assault charges against Ray Lewis has given police clothing that Lewis was wearing when two men were stabbed to death outside an Atlanta nightclub, a newspaper reported Thursday. Jessica Robertson had stored the clothing, which police had been seeking since the day of the killings in Atlanta, The (Baltimore) Sun reported, quoting unidentified sources. Robertson turned the clothing over to Fulton County District Attorney's investigators Monday after receiving a grant of immunity shielding her from charges, such as evidence tampering, that she might have faced for having kept or transported the clothes, The Sun reported. Lewis and two co-defendants have been charged with assault and murder stemming from the Jan. 31 fight outside an Atlanta nightclub. ------------------------------------------------------------ *.*.*.*.* This Week's Transactions *.*.*.*.* Cincinnati Bengals -- Re-signed defensive tackle Andre Purvis to a one-year contract. Denver Broncos -- Named Karl Dorrell wide receivers coach. Miami Dolphins -- Quarterback Dan Marino announced his retirement. Minnesota Vikings -- Signed free agent defensive end Fernando Smith, who had been with the Baltimore Ravens; re-signed running back Moe Williams. New England Patriots -- Re-signed free agent offensive tackle Ed Ellis and wide receiver Sean Morey and assigned both to Barcelona of NFL Europe; signed linebacker John Munch; withdrew their tender offer to cornerback Terry Billups. New Orleans Saints -- Named Pat Mondock eastern scouting supervisor, Mickey Loomis director of football administration and Omar Khan football operations-coaching assistant. New York Jets -- Promoted Mike Tannenbaum to director of player development-contract negotiations. Philadelphia Eagles -- Re-signed defensive end Al Wallace and tight end Kaseem Sinceno to one-year contracts; signed free agent center-guard Eugene Chung to a two-year contract; acquired tight end Jeff Thomason from the Green Bay Packers in exchange for tight end Kaseem Sinceno. St. Louis Rams -- Agreed to terms with unrestricted free agent defensive tackle Sean Moran, who had been with the Buffalo Bills. San Diego Chargers -- Re-signed linebacker Gerald Dixon to a two-year contract. Seattle Seahawks -- Signed quarterback Jon Kitna to his tender offer. Tennessee Titans -- Elevated Jim Schwartz to linebackers coach; named Craig Johnson offensive quality control coach and Ronnie Vinklarek defensive quality control coach."}, {"response": 81, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (12:04)", "body": "NFL NEWS - Friday, March 24, 2000 +------ Criminal Charges Dropped Against Ray Lewis ------+ BALTIMORE - Veteran middle linebacker Ray Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens, currently facing charges in a high- profile murder case in Atlanta, Wednesday got a break on his home turf when assault charges against him were dropped. The Baltimore Sun reported that a letter written to attorneys in the case by Howard B. Merker, the deputy state's attorney in Baltimore County, led to the decision to drop the second-degree assault charge against Lewis. Upon hearing of Wednesday's decision, the Ravens quickly released a public statement. \"After a full investigation of the allegations made against Ray Lewis regarding the alleged incident, we have been advised that the Maryland State's Attorney office, in its wisdom, has decided not to pursue the case. This is an indication that things are often not what they appear to be at first look,\" the team statement said. \"We continue to appreciate and have confidence in the due process that was completed by Baltimore County Police and the State's Attorney office.\" 24-year-old Catrice Parker had accused the All-Pro linebacker of hitting her and knocking her down while making his way through a crowd of people at a bar. Lewis had claimed he was attempting to protect himself after he was recognized and goaded by some people in the crowd. +----------- Jets Won't Trade Keyshawn Johnson -----------+ HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. - Keyshawn Johnson no longer is on the trading block. New York Jets coach Al Groh said Tuesday the team no longer is considering dealing its leading receiver, generally considered the Jets' best player. \"While there has been considerable speculation about the possibility of trading Keyshawn, the Jets will not entertain any trade offers at this time,\" Groh said. Johnson, through agent Jerome Stanley, has expressed his dissatisfaction with his contract, which has two years to run at less than $2 million per season. The two-time Pro Bowl receiver believes that is far under market value-- Stanley has cited the seven-year, $42 million deal Joey Galloway signed with Dallas. +------------- Raiders Sign Anthony Dorsett -------------+ OAKLAND, CA -- The Oakland Raiders shored up their secondary Tuesday by signing unrestricted free agent defensive back Anthony Dorsett. Dorsett, 26, played in all 16 games for the Tennessee Titans last season, starting two games. His biggest start came in Super Bowl XXXIV against the St. Louis Rams, when he filled in at safety for Marcus Robertson and shared the team lead with five tackles in a 23-16 loss. The 5-11, 200-pound Dorsett was named as alternate to the Pro Bowl last season after placing among the league leaders in special team tackles with 17 and a blocked punt. In the Titans' base defense, he had 11 tackles and one interception. *.*.*.*.* This Week's Transactions *.*.*.*.* Atlanta Falcons -- Signed free agent guard Anthony Redmon, who had been with the Carolina Panthers. Carolina Panthers -- Agreed to terms with free agent linebacker Lee Woodall, who had been with the San Francisco 49ers; re-signed free agent defensive tackle Tim Morabito. Chicago Bears -- Signed quarterbacks Clint Dolezel and Mark Hartsell to one-year contracts. Cincinnati Bengals -- Re-signed guard-center Brock Gutierrez to a one-year contract. Denver Broncos -- Re-signed free agent offensive lineman K.C. Jones. Kansas City Chiefs -- Re-signed guard Jeff Smith to a three- year contract. Miami Dolphins -- Signed free agent tight end Rich O'Donnell to a two-year contract; signed free agent running back Lamar Smith, who had been with the New Orleans Saints, to a two-year contract; re-signed safety Calvin Jackson to a two-year contract. New England Patriots -- Signed unrestricted free agent tackle Grant Williams, who had been with the Seattle Seahawks, to a two-year contract; withdrew their tender to linebacker Vernon Crawford. New Orleans Saints -- Named Mark Norelli director of ticket sales. New York Jets -- Signed free agent defensive tackle Shane Burton, who had been with the Chicago Bears; promoted scouts JoTo Wooden and Brian Gaine to the pro player development department. Oakland Raiders -- Signed free agent defensive back Anthony Dorsett, who had been with the Tennessee Titans. Philadelphia Eagles -- Re-signed tight end Chad Lewis. Seattle Seahawks -- Signed free agent center Robbie Tobeck and re-signed tight end Deems May and center Greg Bloedorn. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Re-signed tight end Dave Moore."}, {"response": 82, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (16:32)", "body": "Instant Replay, Conduct on Table at NFL Meetings PALM BEACH, Fla. (Reuters) - A vote on instant replay and a new policy on off-the-field conduct are the main topics at the NFL annual meetings this week. The NFL competition committee recently voted 6-1 to present instant replay as it was conducted last year with a challenge system for a vote at the meetings. In order for replay to survive, 24 of the 31 teams would have to vote for it. A year ago, replay was brought back by an overwhelming 28-3 vote, with the New York Jets, Arizona Cardinals and Cincinnati Bengals the only dissenters. Facing a growing public relations problem with off-the-field violence, NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue will hold a panel discussion with coaches Mike Holmgren of Seattle, Tony Dungy of Tampa Bay and Brian Billick of Baltimore on Wednesday. The issue has taken on a sense of urgency following the murder charges against receiver Rae Carruth of Carolina and linebacker Ray Lewis of Baltimore. The NFL recently suspended three players two games apiece under the league's anti-crime policy. Guard Matt O'Dwyer and recently retired tackle Jumbo Elliott were each suspended without pay for the first two games of the 2000 season for their involvement in a bar fight last July. Denard Walker, the starting left cornerback for the AFC champion Tennessee Titans, was also suspended without pay for the first two games after pleading guilty to assault on the mother of his son. The league is also expected to discuss realignment and a new eight-division format for 2002."}, {"response": 83, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr  3, 2000 (20:44)", "body": "NFL NEWS - Friday, March 31, 2000 +----------- NFL Meetings Held--No Changes -----------+ WEST PALM BEACH, FL -- NFL owners decided Wednesday they had finally come up with a replay system that works and overwhelmingly voted to retain it. Needing approval from 24 of the 31 owners, the system received support from 28. Owners also voted to establish the NFL Internet Network, giving NFL.com and individual club sites a chance to grow. Among the pooled resources -- current and future -- will be game highlights, links, game-day applications, radio broadcasts, advertising, commerce, auctions and photos. Facing the growing public relations problem of off-the- field violence, Tagliabue held a panel discussion with coaches Mike Holmgren of Seattle, Tony Dungy of Tampa Bay and Brian Billick of Baltimore. The issue took on a sense of urgency following the filing of murder charges against receiver Rae Carruth of Carolina and linebacker Ray Lewis of Baltimore. +----------- Modell Sells Interest In Ravens -----------+ PALM BEACH, FL -- At the annual NFL winter meetings Monday, his fellow owners officially approved the sale of 49 percent of Art Modell's Baltimore Ravens to Stephen Bisciotti for $275 million. Bisciotti, a Baltimore businessman, has an option to buy Modell's controlling interest in 2004. Modell, who has had financial trouble since moving the franchise from Cleveland after the 1995 season, made the deal with Bisciotti in January, subject to league approval. \"I would call (the sale) a two-fold purpose,\" Modell said. \"It's an emotional meltdown for me. You just don't walk away after 40 years. Also, the Ravens are on the cusp of being a very good team and I want one more shot at the big enchilada.\" Bisciotti also was happy with the transitional deal. \"Art desired to stay on and I desired to stay in the background,\" he said. +----------- Broncos Release Bubby Brister -----------+ ENGLEWOOD, CO -- Veteran Denver Broncos quarterback Bubby Brister, who was beaten out for a starting job last season by Brian Griese, was released Wednesday. Brister, 37, headed to training camp as the heir apparent in Denver to the retired John Elway, but performed poorly in the exhibition games and lost his job to Griese, a second-year player. His stock plummeted last season and he spent most of the year on the bench, appearing in just two games. Brister clearly had no future in Denver after the Broncos signed free agent quarterback Gus Frerotte, who is expected to battle with Griese for the starting spot. Brister is the second veteran quarterback to leave the Broncos in the last three months. Frequently injured Chris Miller retired on Jan. 3, the day after the regular season ended, not wanting to risk another concussion. Brister, who has expressed a desire to hook up with another team, has played in 97 games in a 13-year career with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Philadelphia Eagles, New York Jets and Broncos. +----------- Carruth Wanted Girlfriend Beaten -----------+ CHARLOTTE, NC -- Former pro football player Rae Carruth offered to pay to have his pregnant girlfriend beaten up so that she would suffer a miscarriage, a North Carolina newspaper reported Wednesday. Carruth and three other men are charged with first-degree murder in the death of Cherica Adams, who was shot four times as she drove through a south Charlotte neighborhood last November. The Charlotte Observer, citing three unidentified sources familiar with the investigation, said one of the three co-defendants was paid $2,000 to break into Adams' home and beat her up. The newspaper said at least one of the men told police that the former Carolina Panthers player did not want to pay child support for the baby, who was delivered 10 weeks prematurely before Adams died from her injuries. *.*.*.*.* This Week's Transactions *.*.*.*.* Atlanta Falcons -- Waived kicker Clay Rush. Carolina Panthers -- Terminated the contract of safety Mike Scurlock. Denver Broncos -- Re-signed defensive tackle Mike Lodish; waived quarterback Bubby Brister and wide receiver Donald Sellers. Green Bay Packers -- Received four compensatory picks in the 2000 draft. Kansas City Chiefs -- Agreed to terms with unrestricted free agent defensive end Duane Clemons, who had been with the Minnesota Vikings, on a two-year contract; signed free agent punter Todd Sauerbrun, who had been with the Chicago Bears, to a two-year contract; re-signed tight end Mitch Jacoby. Miami Dolphins -- Signed linebacker Twan Russell to a one- year contract and tackle Willie Jones to a two-year contract. Minnesota Vikings -- Received four compensatory picks in the 2000 draft. New England Patriots -- Signed free agent linebacker Tedy Bruschi to a two-year contract; released tackle Zefross Moss. New Orleans Saints -- Signed defensive tackle Winfield Garnett, cornerback Shannon Garrett, safety Eric Johnson, offensive tackle Marcus Price, wide receiver Anthony Rodgers, defensive end Bob Setzer and linebacker K.D. Williams; received two compensa"}, {"response": 84, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Wed, Apr  5, 2000 (07:21)", "body": "Ricky Williams continues to get heat for his Sports Illustrated bashing of his offensive lineman, and the guy that interviewed him said he was the most selfish egotistical interviewee he ever had. Will the real Ricky Williams please stand up?"}, {"response": 85, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Apr  5, 2000 (16:31)", "body": "talk shows are full of it - at least Ricky Williams got them off the hockey stick bashing incident which I got heartily sick of hearing defended!"}, {"response": 86, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Apr  7, 2000 (14:08)", "body": "NFL NEWS - Friday, April 7, 2000 ** Cowboys Owner Regrets Hiring Gailey ** DALLAS - Jerry Jones acknowledges that hiring Chan Gailey and allowing him to install an offense for the Dallas Cowboys that failed to get the most out of Troy Aikman and other Super Bowl holdovers didn't make sense. \"It was not my best move,\" the team's owner told The Dallas Morning News in Thursday's editions. Jones tempered his comments, saying he will always regret that Gailey didn't coach the Cowboys longer and adding that he believes one day Gailey will lead a team to the Super Bowl as head coach. Gailey, now the offensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins, said in response to Jones' remarks: \"I always thought Jerry wanted to win and do the best for the team.\" Jones fired Gailey in January, two days after his second season ended just like the first: with a one-sided loss in the first round of the playoffs. ++ 49ers QB Leaning Towards Playing Next Season ++ SAN FRANCISCO - San Francisco 49ers quarterback Steve Young is in the middle of a long, round-the-world honeymoon, but he may have left his football heart in San Francisco. Young's agent, Leigh Steinberg, told the San Francisco Chronicle his Super Bowl-winning client is interested in returning for his 16th pro season - and he would like to do it with the 49ers. Steinberg said Young, who married Barbara Graham March 14, had been undecided on whether he would return. And he didn't know if he would return to the 49ers or seek to go to another team. \"When the season ended, it was really unclear to me what he would do,\" Steinberg said. \"And it's starting to be clearer what he wants to do is return and play. When he gets back, we'll sit down with the 49ers and see where he fits into their plans.\" ** Colts Sign Marvelous Marvin To Extension ** INDIANAPOLIS - The Indianapolis Colts accomplished one of their off season goals today, signing star receiver Marvin Harrison to a contract extension. Terms were not disclosed, but it was said that he was to be the NFL's highest-paid receiver ++ Report: NFL To Suspend Broncos' Carter ++ DENVER - Denver Broncos cornerback Dale Carter will be suspended for one year for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy if he loses an appeal, The Denver Post reported Sunday. The newspaper, citing unidentified NFL sources, said Carter had violated the policy twice in the past three months and had two previous violations during his career. The appeal is expected to be heard in 10 days, the Post said. Carter's agent Mitch Frankel said his client did not fail any drug tests during the three-month period. \"He is not up for suspension at this point for failing any drug test,\" Frankel said. If Carter, who signed with the Broncos as a free agent in 1999, is suspended, he could lose his job as well as the $3.5 million he is to be paid next season. *** Broncos, Rams Open Mon. Night Schedule *** NEW YORK - The Denver Broncos and St. Louis Rams, the last two Super Bowl champions, will open the 2000 NFL season in St. Louis on Monday night Oct. 4. That game and a Sunday night meeting in Buffalo between the Bills and the Tennessee Titans highlight the first weekend of the NFL season. The second game is a reprise of the \"Music City Miracle\" in the first round of last season's playoffs, won by the Titans on a last-play lateral and kickoff return. They later beat Indianapolis and Jacksonville and went on to the Super Bowl, where they lost to the Rams. The Rams' opening game will be their first Monday night appearance since 1991. +++ Giant Changes In Appearance +++ NEW YORK - The Giants have unveiled new uniforms and among the changes is the return of the traditional \"nayNY\" helmet logo that was used from 1961-74. To view it visit: http://www.nfl.com/Giants/news/000405logo.html *.*.*.*.* This Week's Transactions *.*.*.*.* Cincinnati Bengals -- Re-signed outside linebacker Adrian Ross. Dallas Cowboys -- The Cowboys have re-signed WR Jason Tucker, an exclusive-rights free agent who ended the 1999 season with two-straight 100-yard games. Cowboys also announced they were releasing WR Ernie Mills Green Bay Packers -- Signed free agent linebacker Anthony Harris, who had been with the Miami Dolphins. Indianapolis Colts -- Signed receiver Marvin Harrison to a contract extension. Minnesota Vikings -- Named Daryl Lawrence assistant strength and conditioning coach. Agreed to terms with quarterback Bubby Brister, who had been with the Denver Broncos. New Orleans Saints -- Announced restricted free agent punter Toby Gowin signed an offer sheet, which Dallas declined to match; released punter Tommy Barnhardt. Philadelphia Eagles -- Re-signed wide receiver Dietrich Jells."}, {"response": 87, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (01:30)", "body": "http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/nfl_inside_dish/19991227.html NFL Inside Dish Here's the real skinny on why Bubby Brister lost the Broncos' starting quarterback job during the preseason: A number of players told coach Mike Shanahan that Brister would get so flustered and excitable in the huddle that he was unable to complete the play-calling. It wasn't that Brister didn't know the plays; he just lost his composure. . . . Coach Norv Turner is mulling the possibility of leaving the Redskins even if the team makes the playoffs. Even if owner Daniel Snyder doesn't fire Turner, he'll probably try to force him to dismiss defensive coordinator Mike Nolan, the other defensive coaches and special teams coach LeCharls McDaniel. Turner has defended Nolan all season and would be reluctant to get rid of him. . . . The late-season collapse of the Patriots and the impending firing of coach Pete Carroll could prompt SS Lawyer Milloy to test the free-agent market in the offseason. His asking price: $6 million a year. . . . What bothered Bucs coaches about QB Trent Dilfer's decision to go public with some vague criticism of the team's conservative offensive approach was that Dilfer never voiced any complaint to them. Nonetheless, the team plans to bring back Dilfer next season. . . . After making a big splash in free agency in '99, the Rams' main focus in the offseason will be re-signing their players. Their No. 1 target will be unrestricted free-agent CB Todd Lyght. They also plan to redo ontracts for DE Kevin Carter and QB Kurt Warner. With only so many cap dollars to go around, C Mike Gruttadauria or OT Fred Miller could be the odd man out. . . . Look for Bill Parcells to pack it in after this season if he can't keep his coaching staff intact. Jets defensive coordinator Bill Belichick probably will be courted by the Patriots, and linebackers coach Al Groh is a candidate for the head-coaching vacancy at Princeton, where his son is a freshman quarterback. . . . The continuing development of rookie defensive lineman Lamar King will give the Seahawks leverage in contract negotiations with DT Sam Adams and DE Phillip Daniels, who could be unrestricted free agents after this season. The 300-pound King has backed up Daniels but also could play inside. Given that WR Joey Galloway and QB Jon Kitna will want new deals, it's not likely the club can appease Adams and Daniels. King's availability to step in as a starter looms large."}, {"response": 88, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Apr 15, 2000 (00:46)", "body": "Penn State Duo Expected to Go 1-2 in NFL Draft NEW YORK (Reuters) - The last time two players from the same school were selected 1-2 in the NFL draft was back in 1984. Back then it was wide receiver Irving Fryar and guard Dean Steinkuhler of Nebraska who were taken with the first two picks. On Saturday, the dynamic Penn State defensive duo of end Courtney Brown and linebacker LaVar Arrington could hold that prestigious distinction. Brown, Arrington, Alabama tackle Chris Samuels and Florida State receiver Peter Warrick are rated as the four elite players available in this draft and the NFC East champion Washington Redskins, who own the second and third picks, will likely end up with two of them. After using the top overall pick on quarterback Tim Couch last year, the Cleveland Browns will build their defense around either Brown or Arrington with the first selection. Browns director of football operations Dwight Clark is leaning toward taking Brown because of his pass-rushing ability, but is also intrigued with Arrington's impact at outside linebacker. ``You can't lose with either of those players,'' Clark said of the Penn State tandem. ``They're both going to be great players in this league.'' Penn State's Joe Paterno calls Brown the best defensive lineman he has ever coached. The 6-5, 270-pounder set the school record in career tackles for loss (70), career sacks (33) and tackles for loss in a single season (29 in 1999). Arrington is regarded by some scouts as the best outside linebacker prospect since Hall-of-Famer Lawrence Taylor. However, the 6-3, 250-pounder is known for his emotional outbursts and often clashed with Paterno. After the Browns make their selection, the Redskins will be ready to pounce. The second overall pick is the final dividend in the Ricky Williams trade with New Orleans at draft day last season. The other selection comes from Carolina as part of the compensation for the Panthers' signing of defensive tackle Sean Gilbert two years ago. Washington traded that pick to the San Francisco 49ers to move up nine spots to third overall. ``It is an enviable position and we know we're going to end up with two great players, whichever direction we choose to go,'' Redskins personnel director Vinny Cerrato said. The Redskins will take either Brown or Arrington with the second pick and are expected to take Samuels with the third selection. That would leave the explosive Warrick for the Cincinnati Bengals, who own the fourth selection. The addition of Warrick would pave the way for the Bengals to trade receiver Carl Pickens, who criticized the organization for retaining Bruce Coslet as coach. One team interested in Pickens would be the New York Jets, who own an unprecedented four first-round picks after trading Pro Bowl receiver Keyshawn Johnson to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the 13th and 27th selections. New York also has the 12th pick, acquired Thursday in a deal with San Francisco, and its own 18th selection. The Jets moved up four spots Thursday by sending their second pick in the first round, originally acquired from New England as compensation for coach Bill Belichick, and their second-round pick (No. 48) to San Francisco for the 12th overall choice. ``The acquisition of two more first-round picks (in the Johnson trade) creates many opportunities for us in the draft including more maneuvering,'' Jets coach Al Groh said. However, New York's chances of moving into the top four appear to be remote. Cerrato said the Jets' picks are too low in the round to pique his interest. ``To me, this is a draft where between picks 15 and 40 the players are on the same level,'' Cerrato said. ``If the (Jets) picks were higher, it would be enticing.'' The Baltimore Ravens own two high picks with the fifth and 10th overall selections. The Ravens traded their second-round pick to Atlanta last year for a first-round pick in 2000. It turned into gold when the Falcons lost star running back Jamal Anderson to a torn ACL and had a dreadful season, giving Baltimore the fifth overall pick in this draft. The Ravens sent their second-round pick to the Denver Broncos to move up five spots in the first round from 15 to 10. The Philadelphia Eagles own the sixth pick followed by the Arizona Cardinals, Pittsburgh Steelers and the Chicago Bears. The 49ers (16th and 24th) and the Seattle Seahawks (19th and 22nd) are the other teams with multiple first-round picks along with the Jets, Washington and Baltimore. Dallas, Miami, Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Atlanta, San Diego and New England are the teams without first-round picks. The draft will be held at the Theater at Madison Square Garden. The first three rounds will take place on Saturday beginning at noon EDT. The remaining four rounds will be held on Sunday. There will be 254 selections, including 31 compensatory choices that have been awarded to 14 teams. Teams will have 15 minutes to make their first round picks, 10 minutes for the second round and five minutes per pick from ro"}, {"response": 89, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (13:04)", "body": "NFL NEWS IN THIS ISSUE: 1. Keyshawn Johnson Agrees To Bucs Contract, Traded By Jets 2. Bengals Running Back Ki-Jana Carter Injured Again 3. Bam Morris Caught With Huge Quantity Of Pot 4. Packers' Chmura Arrested, Accused Of Sexual Assault 5. Ravens Tackle Suspended Indefinitely - Keyshawn Johnson Agrees To Bucs Contract, Traded By Jets - NEW YORK - Keyshawn Johnson was traded by the New York Jets to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after reaching a contract agreement late Tuesday night. The deal was made official on Wednesday morning. A source close to the deal said the contract is worth $7 million a year and likely will be for eight years, making Johnson the highest-paid receiver in the league +--- Bengals Running Back Ki-Jana Carter Injured Again ---+ CINCINNATI - Ki-Jana Carter, the Cincinnati running back who has missed almost half of his NFL career with injuries since the Bengals drafted him in 1995, has reinjured the knee that sidelined him for the 1999 season. Carter, 26, told the Bengals he injured his right knee during a personal workout Tuesday night near his home in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. He was examined Thursday in Miami where Bengals trainer Paul Sparling said the exam revealed a partially dislocated kneecap. Sparling said Carter is considering arthroscopic surgery that could have him ready to play in 3-to-4 months. +------ Bam Morris Caught With Huge Quantity Of Pot ------+ KANSAS CITY, MO - Former Kansas City Chiefs running back Bam Morris, whose career was plagued by recurring bouts with substance abuse, Friday was charged with conspiracy to distribute marijuana. Morris and two co-defendants were charged Friday in U.S. District Court with conspiring to distribute 100 or more kilograms of marijuana. If convicted, Morris faces anywhere from five to 40 years in prison and a fine of up to $2 million. Also charged in the case were Dewayne Calvin Bryant, 28, and Robert Corey Myers, 22. Morris announced his retirement after the 1999 season, shortly before it was revealed that he was part of a federal probe into alleged drug and car theft-related crimes. Friday's arrests followed an ongoing investigation by the FBI and the Internal Revenue Service. +-- Packers' Chmura Arrested, Accused Of Sexual Assault --+ HARTLAND, WI - NFL star Mark Chmura was arrested Monday after his 17-year-old baby sitter accused him of sexually assaulting her in a bathroom during a party at which they played a drinking game together. Robert Gessert, a friend of the Green Bay Packers tight end, also was arrested. An 18-year-old woman accused him of sexually assaulting her in a hot tub at Gessert's home at the party after a prom, according to court records. Chmura appeared in court in an orange jumpsuit with his hands bound in chains. Chmura and Gessert were released on $5,000 bail and are due in court May 15. Chmura, 31, and Gessert, 42, have not been formally charged. Police are recommending a charge of third-degree sexual assault, punishable by up to 10 years in prison. +-------- Ravens Tackle Suspended Indefinitely --------+ BALTIMORE,MD - Larry Webster of the Baltimore Ravens has been suspended indefinitely by the NFL for violating the league's alcohol and substance abuse policy. The starting defensive tackle, who has been suspended twice before, could be suspended for more than a year if he loses an appeal. \"We're going to support whatever sanctions the league will levy,\" Ravens coach Brian Billick said Tuesday. \"We have to let the process play itself out, as usual.\" Webster twice reportedly tested positive for marijuana when he was with the Miami Dolphins. He was suspended for six games after testing positive during the 1995 season. His last suspension was for the entire 1996 season, a sanction Webster said came after he drank a beer at his bachelor party. NFL rules prohibit drinking alcohol after one substance abuse violation. Webster, 31, started all 16 games last year and finished with 44 tackles for the Ravens."}, {"response": 90, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (14:54)", "body": "NFL NEWS - Friday, April 21, 2000 +---------- Russell Maryland Signs With Packers ----------+ GREEN BAY, WI - The Green Bay Packers announced Thursday they had signed Russell Maryland, likely ending any chance they will bring back massive defensive tackle Gilbert Brown. Maryland, who was released by the Oakland Raiders on March 31 in a salary cap move, agreed to a multi-year contract at undisclosed financial terms. The Packers have been looking for a replacement for the 350-pound Brown, whose play has slipped over the last two seasons. Brown so far has attracted little interest as a free agent. The Packers already have lost defensive linemen Keith McKenzie and Vaughn Booker to free agency. +------------- Redskins Waive Rodney Peete -------------+ ASHBURN, VA - Eight days after signing Jeff George, the Washington Redskins Tuesday waived veteran quarterback Rodney Peete. As a backup for the Redskins last season, Peete appeared in just three games and completed 8-of-17 passes for 107 yards and two touchdowns with an interception. His days in Washington appeared numbered when the Redskins signed Jeff George to a four-year contract worth $18 million on April 10 to back up starter Brad Johnson. Casey Weldon is Washington's third quarterback. The Redskins acquired Peete from the Philadelphia Eagles last season for a draft pick. +-------------- Panthers Sign Natrone Means --------------+ CHARLOTTE, NC - The Carolina Panthers found a backup for running back Tim Biakabutuka by signing veteran Natrone Means. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. The 5-foot-10, 245-pound Means is an eight-year veteran out of North Carolina. He was released by the San Diego Chargers for the second time on March 6. +--------- Exhibition Season Coming Attractions ---------+ NEW YORK - The NFL's exhibition schedule features a Super Bowl rematch, a meeting of last weekend's top two draft picks and two games on foreign soil. St. Louis plays at Tennessee on August 14 in a rematch of the Rams' 23-16 victory over the Titans in the Super Bowl on January 30. The first two picks in Saturday's draft, defensive end Courtney Brown and linebacker LaVar Arrington, will meet for the first time as pros on August 19 when the Cleveland Browns play host to the Washington Redskins. On August 5, the NFL returns to Japan when the Atlanta Falcons take on the Dallas Cowboys. *.*.*.*.* This Week's Transactions *.*.*.*.* Atlanta Falcons - Signed defensive linemen Doug Miller; claimed wide receiver Kamil Loud off waivers from the Buffalo Bills. Carolina Panthers -- Signed unrestricted free agent running back Natrone Means, who had been with the San Diego Chargers; released safety Brent Alexander; signed punter Brandon Kale; acquired linebacker Spencer Reid from the Indianapolis Colts for running back Fred Lane. Chicago Bears -- Announced cornerback Terry Cousin and defensive end Bryan Robinson have agreed to one-year contracts; waived defensive end Marlon Chambers and wide receiver Donald Sellers; signed wide receiver Corey Bridges. Cincinnati Bengals - Agreed to terms with the following 15 free agents: wide receivers Lavelle Boyd, Marvin Chalmers and Tony Hartley; fullback Ricky Brown; linebackers Alan Buckwalter, Tarrell Knauls and Armegis Spearman; center Doug Dorley; defensive linemen Dave Fleischhauer and Mike Willetts; tackle Joe Hattendorf; punter-kicker Tim Morgan; guard Roger Roesler; and safety Gary Tompkins. Green Bay Packers -- Agreed to a multi-year contract with free agent defensive tackle Russell Maryland, who had been with the Oakland Raiders; waived defensive end Jon Harris. Kansas City Chiefs -- Signed defensive linemen Thomas Washington and Kevin Sluder, wide receivers Brock McGrew and Arland Bruce, tight end Kirk McMullen and safety Earl Riley; signed the following rookie free agents: wide receivers Joe Perez and Germaine Stringer, tackle Josh Rawlings, defensive tackle Thomas Washington, cornerback Brian Hinton and safety Percy King. New England Patriots -- Signed the following rookie free agents: wide receivers Matt Bumgardner, Ryan Shaw, and Martinez Williams guards Adam Davis, Rob Gatrell and Terrance Beadles, tackle Ryan Tujague, tight end Chris Eitzmann, defensive linemen Maurice Anderson and Reggie Grimes, defensive end Scott Pospisil, linebackers Roshaun Matthews, Maugaula Tuitele, Jamel Smith and John Eskridge, cornerback Robbie Duncan, kickers James Kibble and Chad Holleman, and long snapper Lonnie Paxton. New Orleans Saints - Agreed to terms with linebacker Terrence Miles, punter Bill Lafleur, defensive end D.J. Cooper, cornerback Carlos Posey, safeties Pete Destefano and Amp Campbell, defensive tackles Robert Brannon and Demond Gibson, linebacker Jamal Brooks and tackle Chase Raynock; signed free agent cornerback Steve Israel, who had been with the New England Patriots, to a three-year contract. New York Giants -- Signed the following rookie free agents: defensive ends Jomo Cousins, Lavell Ellis, Cedric Pittman and Frank Ferrara, def"}, {"response": 91, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (14:55)", "body": "NFL NEWS - April 28, 2000 http://www.shagmail.com IN THIS ISSUE: 1. NFL Suspends Denver CB Carter 2. Beathard Retires As Chargers GM 3. Eagles Release Veterans 4. Chiefs Add Depth With Serwanga 5. Patriots Sign CB Antonio Langham 6. This Week's Transactions +------------ NFL Suspends Denver CB Carter ------------+ DENVER, CO - Denver Broncos cornerback Dale Carter will sit out the 2000 season for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. Details of the suspension were not disclosed, but the Denver Post reported earlier this month that the cornerback was banned for violating the league policy twice within the past three months. According to the report, Carter's first offseason offense occurred in a January drug test, which resulted in an initial four-game suspension. His repeat offense came in February, mandating a one-year suspension. Before last season, Carter had two previous confidential violations, the newspaper reported. The four-time Pro Bowler is eligible to apply for reinstatement in February 2001. \"Unfortunately, we had to anticipate being without Dale for the 2000 season and have planned accordingly,\" the Broncos said in a statement Tuesday. \"It is our hope that in the next year Dale will do what is required of him, so that he will once again be able to play in the NFL.\" +------------ Beathard Retires As Chargers GM ------------+ SAN DIEGO, CA - Bobby Beathard, who built Super Bowl teams on both coasts in his 37-year NFL career, retired as general manager of the San Diego Chargers Tuesday. The 63-year-old Beathard had a hand in seven Super Bowl teams in jobs ranging from scout to GM. Instead of naming a new GM, Ed McGuire, was named vice president of football operations and player personnel director Billy Devaney was given responsibility for all player acquisitions. +---------------- Eagles Release Veterans ----------------+ PHILADELPHIA, PA - The Philadelphia Eagles trimmed their roster Tuesday by releasing three veterans - center Steve Everitt, kicker Norm Johnson and tight end Jamie Asher. The Eagles, 5-11 last season, made the moves in an attempt to go with younger players. A first-round draft pick of the Cleveland Browns in 1993, Everitt followed that franchise to Baltimore before joining the Eagles as a free agent in 1997. The Eagles had a 1,000-yard rusher in each of Everitt's three seasons. The 29-year-old Everitt started 45 games, including the last 29, the longest current streak on the club. The Eagles, however, plan to use five-year pro Bubba Miller at center next season. Philadelphia was the fourth team for the 39-year-old Johnson, whose 1,736 points trail only George Blanda, Gary Anderson and Morten Andersen on the NFL's all-time list. Johnson joined the Eagles last summer and he converted 18-of-25 field goals and all 25 of his PAT attempts. David Akers, who made three of five field goal attempts last season, will take over as the regular kicker. Asher signed as a free agent with Philadelphia a year ago but missed the entire season after suffering a dislocated and fractured left ankle in a preseason game. He started 48 games for the Washington Redskins from 1995 to 1998. +------------ Chiefs Add Depth With Serwanga ------------+ KANSAS CITY, MO - Chiefs president Carl Peterson announced that the club had agreed to terms on a two-year contract with second-year cornerback Wasswa Serwanga. Serwanga joins the Chiefs after spending the entire 1999 campaign with the San Francisco 49ers. The Kampaia, Uganda native worked on the 49ers practice squad before being promoted to the club's 53-man roster last year. He saw duty in nine games for San Francisco during the 1999 campaign. Serwanga originally entered the NFL ranks as a rookie free agent with Chicago in '98, but was released prior to the start of the regular season. He went to camp with San Francisco in 1999 and joined the club's practice unit after being one of the 49ers final cuts. +----------- Patriots Sign CB Antonio Langham -----------+ FOXBORO, MA - The New England Patriots Tuesday signed cornerback Antonio Langham, a former first-round pick of the Cleveland Browns. Langham, who has struggled the last two seasons, will compete with Tebucky Jones and Kato Serwanga for the starting job at left cornerback with New England. Steve Israel, the starter there the last two seasons, recently signed as a free agent with the New Orleans Saints. After being claimed in the expansion draft by the new Browns, Langham was penciled in as the starting right cornerback last season. However, he was quickly replaced by rookie Daylon McCutcheon and saw limited time as a nickel back. A first-round pick out of Alabama in 1994, Langham played two years with the Browns in Cleveland before the franchise moved to Baltimore. He was with the Ravens for two more years and had a career-high five interceptions in 1996. *.*.*.*.* This Week's Transactions *.*.*.*.* Buffalo Bills -- Agreed to terms with the following free agents: defensive backs Askari Adams, David B"}, {"response": 92, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Apr 30, 2000 (11:48)", "body": "What's Doug Fluties future with the Bills?"}, {"response": 93, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 30, 2000 (15:27)", "body": "Likely will not be decided till fall practice, He's still on the team as far as I know."}, {"response": 94, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, May  1, 2000 (09:52)", "body": "The Cowboys have a great pair of wide receivers with Rocket and the new guy, forget his name right now."}, {"response": 95, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, May  1, 2000 (15:24)", "body": "...but still no Penn Staters on the Cowboys. Did we do something to offend the Texas gods of football?"}, {"response": 96, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, May  5, 2000 (15:58)", "body": "NFL News - May 5, 2000 +--------------- Emanuel Signs With Miami ---------------+ MIAMI, FL - Veteran wide receiver Bert Emanuel, a salary cap casualty in the wake of the recent Keyshawn Johnson signing in Tampa Bay, Tuesday hooked up with another Florida-based team as he signed a one-year contract with the Miami Dolphins. Financial terms were not disclosed, but it is likely Emanuel signed an incentive-laden deal with a base salary close to the NFL minimum of $440,000. After the Buccaneers acquired Johnson, a two-time Pro Bowl receiver, from the New York Jets, and signed him to a lucrative multi-year contract last month, they waived the 29-year-old Emanuel, who was in the middle of a four-year, $16.4 million deal. Emanuel was hampered by persistent hamstring problems and missed 11 games in his two seasons with Tampa Bay. The 5-10, 180-pounder also drew interest from Kansas City and New England. He joins a receiving corps which features starters O.J. McDuffie and Tony Martin and reserves Oronde Gadsden, Lamar Thomas, Yatil Green and Nate Jacquet. Gadsden missed minicamp last weekend because of a contract dispute. +--- Browns Player Hires Cochran For Possible Lawsuit ---+ CLEVELAND, OH - Browns offensive tackle Orlando Brown, hit in the right eye by an official's weighted penalty flag last season, has hired attorney Johnnie Cochran for a possible lawsuit against the NFL. \"Johnnie is going to be working with Orlando. We just don't know in which capacity yet,\" Cochran's publicist, Rachel Noerdlinger, said Wednesday. Cochran and Brown have talked several times on the phone about a possible lawsuit but didn't meet until Tuesday night when Brown visited the celebrity attorney's New York law firm, Noerdlinger said. They haven't decided whether to file a lawsuit, she said. \"We're going to be doing research. We're still investigating,\" she said. Brown's agent, Tom Condon, said through a spokeswoman Wednesday that he was unaware of Brown hiring Cochran. +----------- Joyner, Byars To Retire As Eagles ------------+ PHILADELPHIA, PA - Seth Joyner, a three-time Pro Bowl linebacker, and Keith Byars, the most profilic pass-catching running back in NFL history, will end their careers like they started them -- as Philadelphia Eagles. The two Monday signed contracts with the Eagles in order to officially retire in the same city where their careers began in 1986. Joyner, who collected 1,210 tackles and 52 1/2 sacks with the Eagles, Arizona Cardinals, Green Bay Packers and Denver Broncos, will be going out on top. His final game came on Jan. 31, 1999, when he helped the Broncos win their second consecutive Super Bowl title. \"Seth was a pro's pro,\" said Broncos Coach Mike Shanahan. \"I really liked the way he handled himself on the field and off the field, especially in the locker room setting. He handled himself like a true professional.\" Byars was the 10th selection in the '86 draft and spent seven seasons with the Eagles before spending time with three AFC East Division teams: the Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots and New York Jets. He is the only running back to catch at least one pass in over 100 straight games and his streak of 131 consecutive games with a reception ranks fifth in league history. He became the NFL's all-time leading receiver among backs when he passed Marcus Allen's 587 catches in 1998. \"Keith was one of the most versatile players in football,\" said former Jets and Patriots coach Bill Parcells. \"You think of him as being capable of doing one thing and it turns out he's able to do a lot of other things. He was a consummate professional in his preparation and helped set a good example in the locker room for the younger players.\" +----------- Jets Get Mo Lewis Under Contract -----------+ HEMPSTEAD, NY - The New York Jets accomplished one of their major offseason goals Wednesday by signing Pro Bowl outside linebacker Mo Lewis, who was designated as their franchise player when the free agent signing period began on Feb. 11. Terms of Lewis' signing were not disclosed but, as the Jets' franchise player, Lewis was guaranteed a minimum of $4.2 million, the average of the top five salaries at his position. Retaining the services of Lewis for the long term was a high priority for the Jets, who recently traded star wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, at least in part for salary cap concerns. \"Today is as significant as draft day because the status of a Pro Bowl-level performer has been solidified for our team,\" said new Jets Coach Al Groh. \"Mo has a great appetite to win and tremendous capacity for work,\" Groh added. \"Combine those qualities with his play- making ability and it makes me very happy to see Mo back.\" +-------- Greene To Present Rooney At Hall Of Fame --------+ PITTSBURGH, PA - Believing his induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame is a tribute to the great Steelers teams, players and fans, Steelers president Dan Rooney selected as the presenter for his Hall of Fame induction ceremony the one player who "}, {"response": 97, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, May 12, 2000 (14:05)", "body": "NFL NEWS - Friday, May 12, 2000 +----------- Steve Young Tampering Explored -----------+ DENVER, CO - Amid persistent offseason rumors that Denver will be the next employer of Steve Young, a report in the Rocky Mountain News Wednesday quotes San Francisco 49ers General Manager Bill Walsh as saying he has been contacted by the NFL office about possible tampering by the Broncos. The veteran quarterback made a surprise visit recently to a 49ers minicamp but did not participate. He has had talks with the 49ers about his future, but nothing was worked out. \"I know the National Football League is very sensitive to (tampering) in this case,\" Walsh told the paper. \"The league is watching it closely. It wouldn't be us (the 49ers) that would charge the Broncos with tampering. The league is looking at it on its own. I know that. They've called here.\" Despite Walsh's claim, an NFL spokesman told the paper that the Young situation is not being monitored. The league stipulates stiff penalties for tampering, including fines and loss of draft choices. Young has not yet officially announced his plans for the future, but has given every indication that he wants to play in 2000, if he can get medical clearance. His history of concussions may make that very difficult. +---------- Cowboys' Johnston Plans Retirement ----------+ IRVING, TX - Dallas Cowboys fullback Daryl Johnston said in an interview Wednesday that he expects to retire this year. Johnston, who was playing in the Byron Nelson Pro-Am golf tournament in Irving, said he will likely retire because of a neck injury that has plagued him for the last three years. Johnston had surgery for a bulging disc in 1997. He played one game in 1999 before reinjuring his neck. \"I had an agreement with my doctor when we had the surgery done in 1997, and because of the injury last year, it looks like I'm going to be forced to retire,\" Johnston said. Johnston had never missed a game, playing in 149 straight for the Cowboys until the neck injury in 1997. +------------- Parcells To Stay With Jets -------------+ HEMPSTEAD, NY - Former New York Jets coach Bill Parcells, now the team's director of football operations, said Friday he would remain with the organization for an indefinite period of time and definitely through the 2000 season. Parcells retired as Jets coach on Jan. 3. There had been speculation that he would enter broadcasting, but he said his goal for the foreseeable future is to help make the Jets a winner. \"I indicated some time ago that I would not abandon this franchise,\" Parcells said. \"I look forward to working with (owner) Woody Johnson and (coach) Al Groh in a collective effort to try to bring a championship to New York. I view my job very simply, to try to get good players for the coach.\" Johnson and Groh are both new to their positions and expressed happiness over the fact that Parcells, who coached in three Super Bowls during a Hall of Fame career, will be remaining with the Jets. \"I am obviously delighted that Bill Parcells has decided to stay with the New York Jets,\" Johnson said. \"Our sole objective since the purchase of the team has been to create a winning organization, attitude and team. Having Bill around to help us through this period is an enormous advantage to the franchise.\" +------------- Raiders' Turner Seriously Ill -------------+ LOS ANGELES, CA - Oakland Raiders safety Eric Turner is suffering from what is termed a \"serious stomach illness,\" according to a report Thursday in the Los Angeles Daily News. The paper said Turner's alleged ailment is believed to be career-threatening. Team officials were not available for comment. \"It's a terrible, terrible situation,\" a high-ranking Raiders official told the Daily News. \"We're going to respect the family's wishes on this, but people should really be concerned for this kid. It started out as an ulcer and it's developed into something worse.\" Turner, 31, missed the Raiders' recent minicamp for personal reasons, the paper said. The report also stated it was the second such camp Turner skipped and that he has not been treated by team doctors since the end of the 1999-2000 season. \"The last time I saw him at the end of last year, he told me he was having trouble keeping food down,\" said Willie Shaw, Oakland's defensive coordinator last year. \"He told me he was going to get it checked out.\" According to the report, Turner is believed to be at an unnamed hospital in Ventura County, Calif. +-------------- Jets Sign Ward and Johnson --------------+ HEMPSTEAD, NY - The New York Jets Tuesday re-signed restricted free agents, wide receiver Dedric Ward and running back Leon Johnson. The club also re-signed special teams standout Chris Hayes. Ward, 25, had 22 receptions for 325 yards with three touchdowns in 1999 and also returned 38 punts for a 7.6 average. In three seasons, Ward has 63 receptions for 1,014 yards and seven touchdowns. Ward should assume a larger role in the Jets offense this season after the club trade"}, {"response": 98, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, May 15, 2000 (21:33)", "body": "Chmura Charged With Third-Degree Sex Assault WAUKESHA, Wisconsin (Reuters) - Green Bay Packers tight end Mark Chmura was charged Monday with felony third-degree sexual assault after his 17-year-old babysitter alleged he had sex with her at a party. The charge carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine upon conviction. Chmura was in court this afternoon and a preliminary hearing was set for May 30. A two-time Pro Bowler, Chmura was arrested along with his friend, Robert Gessert, and booked at Waukesha County Jail on April 10 after two teenage girls went to Hartland police to accuse the men of ``inappropriate sexual contact'' with them. According to the police report, the babysitter claims Chmura had sexual intercourse with her in a bathroom. An 18-year-old accused Gessert of fondling her in a hot tub. Gessert, the host of the party, was also charged with sexual assault and was cited for providing alcohol to minors at the party. Chmura was also charged with failing to prevent underage drinking. The Packers have remained mum on the matter, but they selected Miami tight end Bubba Franks with their first-round pick in the draft last month. Chmura's arrest stunned the team and the community. He and his wife, Lynda, are long-time workers for the NFL's United Way and participate in numerous charities. Chmura, 30, missed most of last season due to a career-threatening neck injury. He suffered a neck stinger and temporarily lost feeling in his arms during Green Bay's 23-15 loss to the Detroit Lions in Week Two and missed the rest of the 1999 season. The Boston College product, who signed a five-year contract extension with the Packers after the 1998 season, has played his entire nine-year career in Green Bay. He emerged as one of the league's premier tight ends in 1995 when he caught a career-high 54 passes for 679 yards and seven touchdowns."}, {"response": 99, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sat, Jun  3, 2000 (11:48)", "body": "Rush Limbaugh on Monday Night Football? Can he keep his agenda out of it or will he even try?"}, {"response": 100, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jun  3, 2000 (19:47)", "body": "I cannot even imagine - can he keep his EGO in check ?!"}, {"response": 101, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jun  3, 2000 (19:48)", "body": "(read, His insecurities)"}, {"response": 102, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (15:03)", "body": "IN THIS ISSUE: 1. Lewis Speaks To Rookies 2. NFL To Experiment With 'UmpireCams' 3. Marino Tribute Set 4. Bengals' Greats To Open New Stadium 5. Jets Waive Johnson Following Injury 6. Hentrich Captures NFL Golf Classic 7. This Week's Transactions +---------------- Lewis Speaks To Rookies ----------------+ BALTIMORE, MD - Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, less than a month removed from a trial on murder charges, spoke to 254 rookies at the annual symposium in Carlsbad, CA, and encouraged them to be careful about who they hang out with. \"I had problems saying 'no' to friends,\" Lewis told the rookies, according to an NFL spokesman who was in the room. \"We have to pick and choose things we do,\" Lewis said. \"We're being watched 24 hours a day. Be firm and stand on your own two feet. Understand that saying no to a lot of people is very important. Be firm when you say no.\" Lewis, who attended the symposium at the suggestion of Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, talked for 10 minutes before giving way to chairman of the NFL Management Council Harold Henderson. \"His speech was definitely moving to everyone here,\" Arizona Cardinals first-round pick Thomas Jones said. \"You hear a lot of different things about guys being in different situations, but when you hear it from a guy in that situation, it definitely hits home. \"Of all the things here they did for us, that was the major thing. It was great for us.\" +--------- NFL To Experiment With 'UmpireCams' ---------+ NEW YORK - It looks like the NFL will have a television camera on the field - affixed to the cap of one of the officials. The camera, called \"UmpireCam,\" was used recently by FOX in its coverage of NFL Europe's World Bowl. \"I think it's going to work well,\" NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue said during the telecast. \"We're going to experiment with it during the preseason and if it works well, probably use it during the regular season.\" The NFL also is considering a plan to let its broadcasters put miniature cameras inside helmets and wire its players with microphones during exhibition games. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said earlier this month no decision has been made. +------------------- Marino Tribute Set -------------------+ MIAMI, FL - Former Dolphins and Hall of Fame head coach Don Shula, former Denver Broncos quarterback John Elway and former Buffalo Bills quarterback Jim Kelly will highlight the Miami Dolphins' public tribute to Dan Marino, which will be held on Wednesday, August 23, starting at 7:30 p.m. at Pro Player Stadium. All proceeds from the event will benefit the Dan Marino Foundation, which Marino formed in 1992 and helps support many South Florida charities. Shula, the winningest coach in NFL history, drafted Marino in 1983 and served as his head coach through 1995. He was one of the most influential people in Marino's 17-year professional career. The Dolphins posted 116 regular season victories with Shula as head coach and Marino as the starting quarterback, and 122 wins overall, including playoffs. The 116 wins are the most of any head coach-quarterback combination in NFL history. Elway, Kelly and Marino all entered the NFL the same year, in 1983. The trio proved to be three of the most successful quarterbacks in NFL history, with each having compiled at least 100 regular season victories as a starter. Elway (148) and Marino (147) are the two winningest starting quarterbacks in league annals, respectively. All three threw for at least 200 touchdowns in their careers, while Marino and Elway are two of only three quarterbacks in NFL history to reach the 300 mark. This celebration of Marino's 17-year Dolphins career also will feature a performance by Hootie & the Blowfish, as well as special guest appearances by many of Marino's other friends in athletics and entertainment. NFL Films will produce a special tribute video highlighting Marino's career which will be custom-made for the event. In addition, all fans will receive a special, one-of-a-kind commemorative Dan Marino poster that night, available only to those in attendance. A gala fireworks display will conclude the night's festivities. +----------- Bengals' Greats To Open New Stadium -----------+ CINCINNATI, OH - The pads will stay packed until the Aug. 19 preseason home opener against the Chicago Bears, but an array of past Bengals stars will gather two days before that to participate in the first football game on the field at Paul Brown Stadium. On Aug. 17, Hall of Famer Anthony Munoz will headline the roster for the Bengals Alumni Flag Football Game. The contest will be part of the festivities during the First Fans Sneak Preview, which offers Bengals season ticket holders the chance to see their seats and otherwise get familiar with the fan areas of the stadium. Bob Johnson and Isaac Curtis will serve as coaches for the flag football game. Louis Breeden will be the referee, and other ex-players scheduled to play include Jim Breech, Mike Martin, Tim McGee and Max Montoya. \"This is an appr"}, {"response": 103, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 10, 2002 (21:24)", "body": "NFL 97 is now NFL 2002 From Slate magazine: Why Is Randy Moss So Angry? Shrinking the heads of NFL wide receivers. By Bryan Curtis Posted Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 12:49 PM PT Moss: Doomed by his position or just a jerk? Randy Moss, the NFL's busiest provocateur, was charged last month with trying to bulldoze a traffic officer with his Lexus. This is no surprise. Moss is an NFL wide receiver, and NFL wide receivers, by and large, are jerks. Not dirty players, mind you, or murderous off-field thugs\ufffdjust your basic, run-of-the-mill jerks. At no other position will you find such a Rolodex of malcontents. Who are these other goofballs? Stay tuned to this topic!"}, {"response": 104, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 10, 2002 (21:25)", "body": "To wit: Moss loafed on the field last season and then declared, \"I play when I want to play\"; the year before, he doused a referee with a water bottle. Terrell Owens, of the San Francisco 49ers, once celebrated a touchdown by running to the 50-yard-line of Texas Stadium and thrusting his arms into the air; his antics this season have been confined to bawling out his coach and general manager. Then there's Tampa Bay's Keyshawn Johnson, who shrieked at his coach, Jon Gruden, during a Monday night victory over St. Louis. (Gruden had yanked him from the field for lining up in the wrong spot.) Johnson is the author of Just Give Me the Damn Ball!, an autobiography, which he summoned the energy to write after his rookie season. Yes, yes, yes\ufffdMoss, Owens, and Johnson are spectacularly bad apples. But even lesser flankers seem hard-wired to become social pariahs. Eddie Kennison quit the Broncos the night before a game last season. Michael Westbrook yakked his way out of a Pro Bowl career in Washington; ditto Joey Galloway in Seattle. Terry Glenn missed so many team practices last season that the Patriots suspended him rather than have him around for their Super Bowl run. Even Cris Carter, whose career yardage ranks second all-time, was forced in March to retire after he blew off an audition with the Rams. Other positions have their McEnroes, too\ufffdlinebacker Bill Romanowski and quarterback Ryan Leaf come to mind\ufffdbut none match the depth and depravity of wide receivers. So why are they so angry? Henry Kissinger, Hack War Criminal Bush's Cuban Missile Fantasy TiVo, You're History For one thing, there's something about the kind of athlete who becomes a wide receiver. I asked Michael Irvin, who played 12 seasons with the Dallas Cowboys, to describe his fellow wideouts; the first words out of his mouth were \"egotistical\" and \"pretty boys.\" Sports psychologist Chris Carr, who worked with the Arizona Cardinals, points out that the wide receiver is the most individualized offensive position in a team sport. It's bound, then, to attract \"me-first\" players. And since the position prizes speed, coaches often harvest wideouts from the track-and-field sports, which for the most part glorify individual achievement. But more importantly, the very nature of the position can turn sane, well-adjusted men into malcontents. The wideout is the only skill player locked in a Darwinian struggle to touch the football on every play. Think about it: The defense can't keep the ball away from the quarterback, who handles the snap, or the running back, who is stationed close enough to the quarterback to receive the handoff. But the defense can hang cornerbacks and safeties all over the team's most talented wideout, forcing the quarterback to lob the ball elsewhere. Irvin says, \"For all the talent you have, for all the ability you have, they can take you out of the game.\" This explains not only the nature of the wideout's outbursts\ufffdGive me the damn ball!\ufffdbut also the near-cyclical eruptions among NFL stars like Moss, Owens, and Johnson. The better you are, the more likely you are to attract double- and triple-coverage and, in time, lash out. (One study suggests that the college wide receivers may be better-adjusted than their NFL counterparts. Click here to read more.) There's also the problem of boredom. On plays not designed for them, wideouts have very little to do. They usually throw weak blocks or run \"decoy routes\" straight up the field, in the hope that defenders will follow. This can make the above problem even worse: Not only am I not getting the ball, I'm not even involved in the plays. When Moss says he takes plays off, he doesn't mean those designed to get him the ball. He means the plays where he is expected to sprint up the field without payoff. Among the offensive playmakers\ufffdthe guys that sportswriters call on to \"lead\" the team\ufffdwide receivers have the least responsibility. Quarterbacks are drilled from grade school to be upright field marshals. Running backs rely on their offensive linemen and must win their respect. But wide receivers have no constituency and, hence, no true incentive to behave. Irvin says that one of his college coaches at Miami told him, \"There are very few times you can lead a football team from the wide receiver position.\" And, for that matter, few reasons you'd ever need to. --> Hidden"}, {"response": 105, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 15, 2002 (15:31)", "body": "playoff rankings for the NFL: NFC AFC 1. New Orleans 1. Miami 2. Green Bay 2. San Diego 3. San Francisco 3. Indianapolis 4. Philadelphia 4. Pittsburgh 5. Tampa Bay 5. Oakland 6. Arizona 6. Denver 7. NY Giants 7. Jacksonville 8. Dallas 8. New England 9. Carolina 9. Kansas City 10.Chicago 10.Buffalo 11.Atlanta 11.Baltimore 12.Washington 12.Cleveland 13.Seattle 13.Tennessee 14.Minnesota 14.NY Jets 15.Detroit 15.Houston 16.St. Louis 16.Cincinnati As of now."}, {"response": 106, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (16:52)", "body": "NFL Playoff Rankings after Week 8: NFC AFC 1. Green Bay 1. San Diego 2. New Orleans 2. Miami 3. Philadelphia 3. Pittsburgh 4. San Francisco 4. Indianapolis 5. San Francisco 5. Denver 6. Arizona 6. Buffalo 7. Atlanta 7. Oakland 8. NY Giants 8. Kansas City 9. Washington 9. Cleveland 10. Dallas 10. Baltimore 11. Carolina 11. New England 12. Minnesota 12. Tennessee 13. Detroit 13. Jacksonville 14. Chicago 14. Houston 15. St. Louis 15. NY Jets 16. Seattle 16. Cincinnati"}, {"response": 107, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (16:55)", "body": "Dallas is slipping, from 8th to 10th. Houston is 14th but they're *favored to win this week* for the first time I believe."}, {"response": 108, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 22, 2002 (09:30)", "body": "Chatroom interview with NFL twins Tiki and Ronde Barber: Question: If the Bucs and Giants play each other, would either one of you hesitate to hit the other? Ronde Barber: Never, he's free rain on the football field. Tiki Barber: Of course, I would avoid hitting him because if he hits me, he would tackle me."}, {"response": 109, "author": "dot", "date": "Sun, Jan  2, 2005 (16:29)", "body": "Denver, Buffalo, Jacksonville, and Baltimore are battling for the final wild card. The Rams must win the game against the Jets. Minnesota lost. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 38, "subject": "WNBA - Women's Pro basketball at last", "response_count": 4, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 18, 1997 (01:50)", "body": "There's also the ABL. mrw@well.com answered my question about which Lady Horns are on the rosters: There are five former Lady Longhorns on ABL rosters this season. Clarissa Davis-Wrightsil and Beverly Williams of the Long Beach Stingrays. Edna Campbell and Vicki Hall of the Colorado Xplosion. Andrea Lloyd of the defending champion Columbus Quest."}, {"response": 2, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (17:28)", "body": "When's the season opener?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (18:56)", "body": "I'll check!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "stacey", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (18:56)", "body": "sad day... Colorado X-plosion just declared bankruptcy... sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 39, "subject": "Texas Rangers baseball", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 29, 1997 (00:16)", "body": "I'm watching the Giants Rangers game in the ninth. SF 5 Texas 4 and Juan Gonzalez with 32 homers is up with the bases loaded. 3 and 1 to Gonzalez. Bases loaded one out. Rod Beck is on the mound. Ball four. Score tied. Don't you just love to flip the channel to a game at this stage? Mike Simms is the pinch hitter for the pitcher. Fair balldown the third base loine. A three run double! Wetteland will try to close it out, Texas 11, SF 5."}, {"response": 2, "author": "rubi", "date": "Wed, Oct 29, 1997 (13:52)", "body": "I have three words for every one. These three words make me smile every time I hear them. On the darkest day and under the worst of circumstances I am always overjoyed to say...........................BASEBALL IS OVER :) Thank the lord!!!!"}, {"response": 3, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 1997 (17:28)", "body": "What sport are you into rubi? sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 4, "subject": "NBA basketball action", "response_count": 37, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "eric", "date": "Sat, Jul  6, 1996 (14:18)", "body": "hi"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jul  7, 1996 (02:37)", "body": "Hey Maverick. Hi yourself. Does this mean your a Mavs fan?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (00:53)", "body": "Well the Rockets got Barkley. Anyone think they'll give the Bulls a run?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Feb 11, 1997 (08:32)", "body": "From the WELL: Any comments on the All Star game? Why didn't Shaq make it? Jordon got a triple double and Wilt groaned with his scoring record got busted. And the 50 greats was a legendary moment. Slam dunk? Ho hum. Topic 793 [sports]: NBA 1996-97 #542 of 547: quack-quack duck in the bathrub (carapace) Sun Feb 9 '97 (20:42) 10 lines Shaq got booed gigantic. It wasn't just him playing -- here he is 24 years old named as one of the 50 greatest players in the history of the game and he's got somewhere more important to be for the ceremonies. I'd have booed too. Jordan was the usual -- putting out just enough juice to blowe the doors off the up and comers, someday they're gonna find the little spaceship that brought him from Krypton -- but Rice can play this game a little too, as can Mr. Terrell Brandon, who I hadn't seen come to the office before. Kevin Garnett is something too, still growing into his puppy feet. Topic 793 [sports]: NBA 1996-97 #543 of 547: quack-quack duck in the bathrub (carapace) Sun Feb 9 '97 (23:38) 4 lines And, as corny, staged tv events go, the reunion of the annointed 50 greatest, minus (I think) three was intensely moving. All those guys together, wrapped in those insane neo-highschool jackets, one close-up after another; I wish I had it on tape. Topic 793 [sports]: NBA 1996-97 #544 of 547: Willie McGinest (ohmy) Mon Feb 10 '97 (10:53) 2 lines I liked it, too. And Shaq's absence didn't go unnoticed. I did notice the biggest ovations came for Bird and Dr. J (sans mustache). Topic 793 [sports]: NBA 1996-97 #545 of 547: jake at (publish) Mon Feb 10 '97 (10:55) 5 lines I can't believe the SF Chronicle didn't even (apparently) assign someone to watch the game and write their own story. They went with the AP coverage, and as a result have no individual item about Latrell Sprewell, who as far as I can see was the West's leading scorer. Topic 793 [sports]: NBA 1996-97 #546 of 547: quack-quack duck in the bathrub (carapace) Mon Feb 10 '97 (11:10) 2 lines \"World B. Spree,\" as I understand he is now sometimes called."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 11, 1997 (12:27)", "body": "What about those Bulls, 2-2 with the Jazz? And Rodman bashing Mormons and splitting for Vegas. Better order five sugar packets for the next game, java jordan. Where is fatty moon? Where is the Cellery stick?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "TJ", "date": "Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (13:33)", "body": "Well congratulations to the Bulls and Jazz....... NBA stole the championship from the rightful team....... Knicks should be playing the Jazz"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jun 12, 1997 (17:22)", "body": "Jordan played his heart out last night. The mailman didn't deliver themail. Pippin masaged Jordan and porpped him up during the breaks. Will the Bulls wrap it up Fri night?"}, {"response": 8, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:56)", "body": "YEP!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:06)", "body": "They sure did! A ring for each finger. Steve Kerr iced it with a jumper on a pass from the doubled up Michael Jordan. And then the Jazz threw it away. The Jazz fortunes turned on just a few points in a couple of critical games."}, {"response": 10, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (23:20)", "body": "Great win by the Bulls."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug 23, 1997 (04:26)", "body": "There is some exuberance coming out of Boston with all of the moves Pitino is making. The latest is his putting up Eric Williams for two second round picks, Chris Mills and Tyus Edney. The Celts now have a team that is much deeper than last year's, They'll be able to play the sort of pressing defense Pitino likes for 48 minutes. The Bulls-Celtics opener on Halloween may turn out to be a thriller."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 29, 1997 (08:38)", "body": "The Celtics are looking much better as a team with the signing of Mills and Tyus Edney. I know some Celtics fans who think their team will win their home opener on Halloween. Will they give the Bulls a run for it this year?"}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Apr 29, 1998 (00:20)", "body": "My hopes and dreams for tomorrows winners: Bulls Spurs Rockets I loved to see the Twolves romp over the Seahawks. Were Kevin McHale and Kevin Garnett pumped or what? And the Heat? Hot, hot, hot. They hung around consistently the whole game. Good stuff."}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 11, 1998 (13:53)", "body": "THE NBA PLAYER ADOPTION PROGRAM NEEDS YOU! With an NBA player's strike against the team owners looming, now is the time for us to show the world just how much we care. It's just not right. Hundreds of basketball players in our very own country are living at or just below the seven-figure salary level! Atrocious! And, as if that weren't bad enough, they will be deprived of pay for several weeks--possibly a whole year--as a result of the strike. But now you can help! For about two thousand dollars a day--that's less than the cost of a large screen projection TV--you can help a basketball player remain economically viable during his time of need. Two thousand dollars a day may not seem like a lot of money to you, but to a basketball player it could mean the difference between a vacation spent golfing in Florida or a Mediterranean cruise. For you, two thousand dollars is nothing more than three months rent or mortgage payments. But to a basketball player, two thousand dollars a day will almost replace his salary. Your commitment of two thousand dollars a day will enable a player to buy that home entertainment center, trade in the year-old Lexus for a new Ferrari, or enjoy a weekend in Rio. \"HOW WILL I KNOW I'M HELPING?\" Each month, you will receive a complete financial report on the player you sponsor. Detailed information about his stocks, bonds, 401(k), real estate, and other investment holdings will be mailed to your home. You'll also get information on how he plans to invest the $5 million lump sum he will receive upon retirement. Plus upon signing up for this program, you will receive a photo of the player (unsigned). Put the photo on your refrigerator to remind you of other peoples' suffering. \"HOW WILL HE KNOW I'M HELPING\" Your basketball player will be told that he has a SPECIAL FRIEND who just wants to help in a time of need. Although the player won't know your name, he will be able to make collect calls to your home via a special operator just in case additional funds are needed for unexpected expenses. Simply fill out the form below. ___YES, I want to help! I would like to sponsor a striking NBA basketball player. My preference is checked below: [ ] Starter [ ] Reserve [ ] Star* [ ] Superstar** [ ] Entire team*** [ ] I'll sponsor a player most in need. Please select one for me"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 15, 1999 (07:14)", "body": "From the NORML mailing list: NBA fans might also be interested in one of the \"other\" issues behind the lockout besides money: reefer. The previous union contract forbid the NBA and the owners from testing NBA players for cannabis use. The owners wanted to add cannabis testing to their random drug tests. The players (by some estimates, 80% regularly use cannabis) refused and instead accepted a compromise that they would be tested for cananbis use only once per year, in the preseason, during a non-random, pre-scheduled time. So the NBA gets to say \"we test our players for pot\" and the players get to clean out their systems or take masking agents before the scheduled test."}, {"response": 16, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (15:56)", "body": "The Raptors dropped one to the Knicks and the Minnesota Timberwolves are on a 10-0 run. Pippen's on fire for the Portland Trailblazers. Wally just can't contain the Pip."}, {"response": 17, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (16:05)", "body": "48 to 47 at the half. MN vs Blazers."}, {"response": 18, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (17:12)", "body": "Closer than I would have thought..."}, {"response": 19, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (19:42)", "body": ">Blazers took it. But it was a close one. > >The Rapters Vince Carter just had an exercise in frustration, maybe hel'll bust loose in the next game. > >The Lakers seem to be rolling on in their game. I just learned in out of time(null) The Lakers seem to be rolling on in their game. I just learned (trivia alert) that Rick Fox's wife is expecting next Tuesday. Guess who she is? Sacramanento's Webber and Williams are good, but they're not up to Shaq and Kobie. The trivia answer: Vanessa Williams."}, {"response": 20, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (20:35)", "body": "Ah...I had no idea. But, I am most curious to know how she knows the baby will be born next Tuesday?!"}, {"response": 21, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (09:03)", "body": "They've arranged it to happen then."}, {"response": 22, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (09:07)", "body": "Series glance All Times EDT EASTERN CONFERENCE INDIANA VS. MILWAUKEE Sunday, April 23 Indiana 88, Milwaukee 85 (Indiana leads 1-0) Thursday, April 27 Milwaukee at Indiana, 8 p.m., TNT Saturday, April 29 Indiana at Milwaukee, 8:30 p.m., TNT Monday, May 1 Indiana at Milwaukee, TBA, if necessary, TBS Thursday, May 4 Milwaukee at Indiana, TBA, if necessary MIAMI VS. DETROIT Saturday, April 22 Miami 95, Detroit 85 (Miami leads 1-0) Tuesday, April 25 Detroit at Miami, 7 p.m., TNT Saturday, April 29 Miami at Detroit, 12:30 p.m., NBC Wednesday, May 3 Miami at Detroit, TBA, if necessary Friday, May 5 Detroit at Miami, TBA, if necessary NEW YORK VS. TORONTO Sunday, April 23 New York 92, Toronto 88 (New York leads 1-0) Wednesday, April 26 Toronto at New York, 8 p.m., TNT Saturday, April 29 New York at Toronto, 12:30 p.m., NBC Tuesday, May 2 New York at Toronto, TBA, if necessary Friday, May 5 Toronto at New York, TBA, if necessary CHARLOTTE VS. PHILADELPHIA Saturday, April 22 Philadelphia 92, Charlotte 82 (Philadelphia leads 1-0) Monday, April 24 Philadelphia at Charlotte, 8 p.m., TBS Friday, April 28 Charlotte at Philadelphia, 8 p.m., TNT Monday, May 1 Charlotte at Philadelphia, TBA, if necessary, TBS Thursday, May 4 Philadelphia at Charlotte, TBA, if necessary WESTERN CONFERENCE L.A. LAKERS VS. SACRAMENTO Sunday, April 23 L.A. Lakers 117, Sacramento 107 (Los Angeles leads 1-0) Thursday, April 27 Sacramento at L.A. Lakers, 10:30 p.m., TNT Sunday, April 30 L.A. Lakers at Sacramento, 5:30 p.m., NBC Tuesday, May 2 L.A. Lakers at Sacramento, TBA, if necessary Friday, May 5 Sacramento at L.A. Lakers, TBA, if necessary UTAH VS. SEATTLE Saturday, April 22 Utah 104, Seattle 93 (Utah leads 1-0) Monday, April 24 Seattle at Utah, 10:30 p.m., TBS Saturday, April 29 Utah at Seattle, 5:30 p.m., NBC Wednesday, May 3 Utah at Seattle, TBA, if necessary Friday, May 5 Seattle at Utah, TBA, if necessary PORTLAND VS. MINNESOTA Sunday, April 23 Portland 91, Minnesota 88 (Portland leads 1-0) Wednesday, April 26 Minnesota at Portland, 10:30 p.m., TNT Sunday, April 30 Portland at Minnesota, 3 p.m., NBC Tuesday, May 2 Portland at Minnesota, TBA, if necessary Thursday, May 4 Minnesota at Portland, TBA, if necessary SAN ANTONIO VS. PHOENIX Saturday, April 22 Phoenix 72, San Antonio 70 (Phoenix leads 1-0) Tuesday, April 25 Phoenix at San Antonio, 9:30 p.m., TNT Saturday, April 29 San Antonio at Phoenix, 3 p.m., NBC Tuesday, May 2 San Antonio at Phoenix, TBA, if necessary Thursday, May 4 Phoenix at San Antonio, TBA, if necessary Day-by-day All Times EDT FIRST ROUND (Best-of-5) Saturday, April 22 Miami 95, Detroit 85 Phoenix 72, San Antonio 70 Utah 104, Seattle 93 Philadelphia 92, Charlotte 82 Sunday, April 23 New York 92, Toronto 88 Portland 91, Minnesota 88 L.A. Lakers 117, Sacramento 107 Indiana 88, Milwaukee 85 Monday, April 24 Philadelphia at Charlotte, 8 p.m., TBS Seattle at Utah, 10:30 p.m., TBS Tuesday, April 25 Detroit at Miami, 7 p.m., TNT Phoenix at San Antonio, 9:30 p.m., TNT Wednesday, April 26 Toronto at New York, 8 p.m., TNT Minnesota at Portland, 10:30 p.m., TNT Thursday, April 27 Milwaukee at Indiana, 8 p.m., TNT Sacramento at L.A. Lakers, 10:30 p.m., TNT Friday, April 28 Charlotte at Philadelphia, 8 p.m., TNT Saturday, April 29 Miami at Detroit, 12:30 p.m., NBC San Antonio at Phoenix, 3 p.m., NBC Utah at Seattle, 5:30 p.m., NBC Indiana at Milwaukee, 8:30 p.m., TNT Sunday, April 30 New York at Toronto, 12:30 p.m., NBC Portland at Minnesota, 3 p.m., NBC L.A. Lakers at Sacramento, 5:30 p.m., NBC Monday, May 1 Charlotte at Philadelphia, TBA, if necessary, TBS Indiana at Milwaukee, TBA, if necessary, TBS Tuesday, May 2 L.A. Lakers at Sacramento, TBA, if necessary New York at Toronto, TBA, if necessary Portland at Minnesota, TBA, if necessary San Antonio at Phoenix, TBA, if necessary Wednesday, May 3 Miami at Detroit, TBA, if necessary Utah at Seattle, TBA, if necessary Thursday, May 4 Milwaukee at Indiana, TBA, if necessary Minnesota at Portland, TBA, if necessary Philadelphia at Charlotte, TBA, if necessary Phoenix at San Antonio, TBA, if necessary Friday, May 5 Detroit at Miami, TBA, if necessary Sacramento at L.A. Lakers, TBA, if necessary Seattle at Utah, TBA, if necessary Toronto at New York, TBA, if necessary"}, {"response": 23, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (15:11)", "body": "Sorry they are more concerned about their schedules than the baby. Oh well, if it does not work out right, they can always have another one. They are mostly a nusiance at that age (I cannot imagine her taking care of anyone but Vanessa Williams, actually *ducking under the desk*) You weren't kidding about games until Elian has his PhD... Amazing! Thanks for posting the schedule!"}, {"response": 24, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (18:43)", "body": "A little better formatting: Day-by-day All Times EDT FIRST ROUND (Best-of-5) Saturday, April 22 Miami 95, Detroit 85 Phoenix 72, San Antonio 70 Utah 104, Seattle 93 Philadelphia 92, Charlotte 82 Sunday, April 23 New York 92, Toronto 88 Portland 91, Minnesota 88 L.A. Lakers 117, Sacramento 107 Indiana 88, Milwaukee 85 Monday, April 24 Philadelphia at Charlotte, 8 p.m., TBS Seattle at Utah, 10:30 p.m., TBS Tuesday, April 25 Detroit at Miami, 7 p.m., TNT Phoenix at San Antonio, 9:30 p.m., TNT Wednesday, April 26 Toronto at New York, 8 p.m., TNT Minnesota at Portland, 10:30 p.m., TNT Thursday, April 27 Milwaukee at Indiana, 8 p.m., TNT Sacramento at L.A. Lakers, 10:30 p.m., TNT Friday, April 28 Charlotte at Philadelphia, 8 p.m., TNT Saturday, April 29 Miami at Detroit, 12:30 p.m., NBC San Antonio at Phoenix, 3 p.m., NBC Utah at Seattle, 5:30 p.m., NBC Indiana at Milwaukee, 8:30 p.m., TNT Sunday, April 30 New York at Toronto, 12:30 p.m., NBC Portland at Minnesota, 3 p.m., NBC L.A. Lakers at Sacramento, 5:30 p.m., NBC Monday, May 1 Charlotte at Philadelphia, TBA, if necessary, TBS Indiana at Milwaukee, TBA, if necessary, TBS Tuesday, May 2 L.A. Lakers at Sacramento, TBA, if necessary New York at Toronto, TBA, if necessary Portland at Minnesota, TBA, if necessary San Antonio at Phoenix, TBA, if necessary Wednesday, May 3 Miami at Detroit, TBA, if necessary Utah at Seattle, TBA, if necessary Thursday, May 4 Milwaukee at Indiana, TBA, if necessary Minnesota at Portland, TBA, if necessary Philadelphia at Charlotte, TBA, if necessary Phoenix at San Antonio, TBA, if necessary Friday, May 5 Detroit at Miami, TBA, if necessary Sacramento at L.A. Lakers, TBA, if necessary Seattle at Utah, TBA, if necessary Toronto at New York, TBA, if necessary"}, {"response": 25, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (18:44)", "body": "Late games today. Well, starting at 7 in about and hour and 15 minutes."}, {"response": 26, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Wed, May 31, 2000 (18:10)", "body": "This year's all-NBA teams, voted by the media: first C Shaquille O'Neal F Kevin Garnett F Tim Duncan G Gary Payton G Jason Kidd second C Alonzo Mourning F Karl Malone F Grant Hill G Allen Iverson G Kobe Bryant third C David Robinson F Chris Webber F Vince Carter G Eddie Jones G Stephon Marbury Kidd on the first team? He's rated too high. Kobe on the second team? Should be on the first string. Iverson must be hated by the writers too."}, {"response": 27, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jun  2, 2000 (14:38)", "body": "Listmakers can be bought too?!"}, {"response": 28, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sat, Jun  3, 2000 (11:31)", "body": "Vince Carter should probably be further up on the list too. He and Kobe are kind of the leagues super stars, at least they've got the moves and the flash. Payton and Kidd should be on the second team. But now that I look again, how are you going to displace a Duncan, a Garnett, a Malone or Hill with Carter. He's in good company."}, {"response": 29, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jun  3, 2000 (20:03)", "body": "Yup! How do you think the Blazers are going to do? Pacers Bask in Glory; Lakers-Blazers in Game 7 LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - For the first time in their history, the Indiana Pacers will play for the NBA title. Who they battle will be determined on Sunday night, when the Los Angeles Lakers and Portland Trail Blazers play a decisive seventh game. The Pacers captured their first Eastern Conference crown on Friday with a 93-80 victory over the New York Knicks. Reggie Miller, a noted Knick killer, scored 17 of his 34 points in the fourth quarter. Los Angeles, the best team in the league during the regular season, is in danger of blowing a three games to one lead in the Western Conference finals after suffering a 103-93 loss to the Trail Blazers at the Rose Garden on Friday. Game Seven is scheduled for 7:30 p.m. EDT Sunday in Los Angeles, where Portland will have a chance to become the seventh team in NBA history to erase a 3-1 deficit and win a best-of-seven series. ``It's not about momentum. There's no momentum,'' Blazers coach Mike Dunleavy said. ``With this series, it's one game at a time and you have to bring it each time. The team that does that gets it.'' When the playoffs began, everyone thought it would be the Lakers awaiting a Finals foe. Now there is no guarantee the league's top team will even reach the championship round. Portland forced the series back to Los Angeles as they rode big games from Steve Smith and Bonzi Wells and stymied Shaquille O'Neal. For the second straight game, Portland raced to an early lead and turned back a half-hearted rally by Los Angeles, which fell to 2-5 in close-out games and seems to be feeling the pressure. Smith scored 26 points, including 10 in the first quarter, when the Blazers took the lead for good. He made 10-of-18 shots and also had a key steal and lay-up midway through the third period to stem a rally by the Lakers. Wells scored a playoff career-high 20 points, including 14 in the fourth quarter, when Portland built its lead to 15 points. Playing just 19 minutes, Wells hit 8-of-13 shots. The Blazers again collapsed on O'Neal, who had his worst game of the series with 17 points on 7-of-17 shooting. Portland did a great job of denying him the ball and smothering him when he did get it. O'Neal's troubles at the line returned as he made just 3-of-10 free throws. Kobe Bryant scored 33 points despite a sprained right foot for the Lakers, who seemed more interested in fighting the Blazers than fighting their way back into the game. Forwards Rick Fox of the Lakers and Scottie Pippen of the Trail Blazers, who had a shoving match in Game Three, got into it again before Dunleavy traded obscenities with Fox. ``It can't work on me but I'm sure they're going to try everything,'' Pippen said. ``Rick Fox told me, `It's going to be on when we get to LA.' I'm looking forward to it.'' The Lakers have not been to the Finals since 1991. The Blazers are seeking their first trip since 1992. The West has been the dominant conference all season but the Pacers split two games with the Lakers and swept the Blazers. On Friday, Miller added another chapter to his litany of great playoff games in New York, sparking Indiana to the clinching win with a flurry of 3-pointers in the fourth quarter. He scored 25 points in the fourth quarter of Game Five of the 1994 conference finals. He scored eight points in 8.9 seconds in Game One of the 1995 conference semifinals and also had a game-tying 3-pointer to force overtime in an eventual win in Game Four of the 1998 conference semifinals at Madison Square Garden. However, that had not translated into a berth in the NBA Finals until Friday for the Pacers. This was their fifth trip in seven years to the conference finals and they had lost the previous four in seven games to New York in 1994, Orlando in 1995 and Chicago in 1998 and in six games to New York last year. In Game Six last year, Miller shot 3-of-18 and was defenseless as Knicks guard Allan Houston scored 32 points. Friday, he finally came up with one of his patented playoff performances in a clinching game. The Finals are a 2-3-2 format and begin Wednesday in either Los Angeles or Portland."}, {"response": 30, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (08:30)", "body": "Anyone watching the finals? Shaq dominated last night, Smits topples like a matchstick next to Shaq, and hack a Shaq is only getting moderate results. The Pacers are now down 2-0 and heading to Indiana for 3 games at home. A team has never one 3 games in a row at home in the playoffs, but they should be able to grab at least 2. Reggie Miller had a horrible first game (1 for 17 or something) and a mediocre second game. If he had been on for the first game the series would easily have been knotted now. Kobies out for at least one game with and injury. Rick Fox really stepped up last night. The most interesting player to watch has been the emerging Austin Crosiere (sp?), he's got some great moves for a white guy."}, {"response": 31, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (16:03)", "body": "Caught part of it. House male not fond of Basketball and I am usually staring at the monitor locked onto Spring... Blazers out of it...Lakers gonna win it this year?! Installed the firewall Maggie suggested - Interesting pings!"}, {"response": 32, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (16:06)", "body": "Shaq is unlike any other player out there now. Talk about larger than life..."}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr 29, 2001 (19:21)", "body": "Now we're in the heat of the playoffs and I'm just starting to get interested again. Spurs alive. Dallas alive?"}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 27, 2005 (04:09)", "body": "Paul Pierce scored 23 points and Raef LaFrentz had 12 points and 11 rebounds to lead the host Boston Celtics to a 110-86 victory over the Indiana Pacers last night, spoiling Stephen Jackson's return from a 30-game brawl suspension. http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/ny-spnba274127021jan27,0,2125954.story?coll=ny-basketball-headlines"}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Apr 14, 2005 (09:47)", "body": "There are the hands of . . . Sun Ming Ming from http://vh10634.moc.gbahn.net/sports/local/bkbtraining_041305.htm The 7-foot-8 3/4 center positions himself under the basket and awaits a pass from trainer Keith Gatlin. Ball in hand, Sun muscles his 350-pound frame into training partner Dshamal Schoetz, a 7-footer who played at Greensboro College who is nearly nine inches shorter. Sun pivots and places the ball firmly into the hoop. Swish. Sun, who is from Harbin, China, is training in Greensboro for a shot at the NBA. His agent, Charles Bonsignore, paired the prospect up with former client and former professional basketball player Keith Gatlin. Gatlin, a managing partner with 334 Sports, a local firm that trains athletes, has worked with Sun for about five weeks."}, {"response": 36, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, May  6, 2006 (11:56)", "body": "Dig this. It's last nights game. The score is Cleveland 112 and Washington 111. And the epsn camera cuts to the sideline on a time out. There's Lebron James of the Cavs with a cell phone and what's he doing? Text messaging. I'm watching the rerun on my tivolike Scientific Atlanta box and the guy is text messaging at the most critical moment of his career. Now, that's relaxed. By the way, the Cavs came out of the time out with 42.3 seconds to go in overtime and clinched the division title 4 games to 2. The exciting teams, for me, this year are the Cavs, the Lakers with Kobe, and the Heat with Shaq. San Antonio is my favorite but I just wish they weren't such dry personalities (maybe excepting Tony Parker and his Desperate Housewives girlfriend)."}, {"response": 37, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Tue, Jun 27, 2006 (08:57)", "body": "It was a great final, with the Mavs and Heat. The Heat went in to Dallas and pulled it off by coming back from 2 down and winning four in a row. I was hoping for a game 7. But the Heat were just too strong. Amazing comeback. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 40, "subject": "boxing", "response_count": 243, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 23, 1997 (06:58)", "body": "Some comments from Dale Smoaks on George Foremans farewell fight. I watched George Foreman take apart Shannon Briggs, a man half his age, tonight. George lost the first round, but even by the end of it, you could see he was going to get to him sooner or later. He'd solved how to reach him, and once he did Briggs often looked like he was fighting through fear. In the middle rounds it looked like George was on the verge of ending it. Briggs had little pockets of effectiveness, and confidence, but mostly George drove him around with his jab. Briggs conquered his fear enough to pick up a couple of the later rounds, and then George beat him all over the ring in the 12th. Even though George is not a sleek athlete, his technical control of how he fights now, especially compared to his \"prime\" 25 years ago, is really astonishing. He looked great. His footwork was terrific; he's so good at cutting off the ring. I always felt that he'd have a good shot against Lennox Lewis. I was as surprised as I'd ever been at a decision to hear it go majority for Briggs. I had it 6-5-1 Foreman, and it didn't really feel even that close. Foreman thoroughly dominated some of the rounds he won, although with no knockdowns they weren't good enough to give to him 10-8. When Briggs would stay at angles and throw more punches instead of just trying to defend himself, he'd have the better of it enough to take a round, perhaps. George looked right after the fight like he knew he'd won it, but in the interview, he refused to badmouth the decision, or to even say he thought he won. He was gracious, and just as unflappable as ever. He praised Briggs, said that he'd come back from a lot and that he hoped the win would help him. When asked whether he'd retire, he said that he'd had a great career, and that he felt that he was done. For his part, Briggs looked to me like a man coming to terms with having just received the greatest gift of his career, and having to talk about it on television on the fly. But what stuck with me was that interview afterwards. I really was stunned at how gracious he was. He didn't talk in sports cliches; he meant it. Here's a man who won in the Olympics in 1968, and became known for waving that little flag around the same week that John Carlos and Tommie Smith raised their fists. Foreman was basically a bully con, who was powerful and wild. He destroyed Joe Frazier. He destroyed everyone, until Ali got to him by fighting both a brilliant psychological fight and a brilliant tactical fight. Foreman landed on his ass that night. He was losing very badly to Ali by the 8th round, but when he actually got KO'd it was as much from giving in to Ali as anything else. Then Foreman lurched around for a few years, and ended up losing to Jimmy Young. And retiring. He ran a poor ministry in Houston, had several sons named George, and daughters all with the same name, too. And then come back after 10 years. His comeback was an honest one. Instead of making some big money cameo the way Sugar Ray Leonard did this year, George started fighting stiffs and worked his way back over about 20 fights. In other words, he did it seriously. And he started beating good fighters. The night he fought Moorer, he wore the same trunks he'd lost to Ali in. He spent the whole night setting Moorer up for a straight right hand. Moorer was the type of fighter George couldn't beat by decision. He had one chance, and after losing 9 rounds, George landed that right hand. 45 years old, and 20 years after losing the title, he's undisputed champion again. I can't think of anything in sports quite like that. And he did it after that long layoff almost entirely remade. He had a bigger body. He had learned relaxation and control in the ring. In some ways he's looked to me better than he was when he was younger, although it's hard to believe that he could be. And he came back an entirely different person, too. He'd been this brooding, angry man the first time he was champion, and when Ali penetrated his psyche, it broke him. Then he comes back after 10 years a much more serene man. It took awhile to see that side of him because of the jolly facade he presented, but it's there. After he knocked out Moorer, it seemed clear in retrospect that Foreman waged his second career as a quest to regain the title. He made a lot of money, and always said he was doing it for the money, but after he KO'd Moorer it suddenly looked like his whole purpose had been to redeem himself. Maybe for quitting against Ali. Maybe for who he had been. He certainly picked his opponents carefully after that, and he had some close calls. But after dominating his last couple of fights, it looked like he was going to just keep going. It looked like that until the decision was announced, anyway. To me he's been the most interesting person in sports in recent years. His career pattern was unique, and he accomplished what he did by transforming his basic identity as a person. And given how he handle"}, {"response": 2, "author": "Hoop", "date": "Sat, Dec 20, 1997 (16:26)", "body": "Dale, Just thought I'd add my $.02 on George Foreman. I have followed his \"comeback\" career very closely and would have to be considered one of his admirerers. I perceived George to be an extremely likable fellow. Then George fought Axel Shultz. In my opinion (and others I'm sure), George lost this fight by a wide margin. This fight wasn't even close it was so lopsided. The judges gave the victory to Foreman in what surely must have been a fixed fight. After the fight, Foreman bragged about his victory w en being interviewed. My respect for George Foreman ended that second--never to return. George has more bullshit than a fertilizer factory. If he lost a decision he should have won, it serves him right! Just my $02 worth!! Hoop"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Mar  7, 1998 (13:39)", "body": "I ran into someone in the Q Club hot tub yesterday who's an up and coming pro heavyweight boxer. His name is Humphries. He played for the UT Texas Longhorns in college, for the Vikings till he go hurt as a running back and now he's prepping for Floyd Patterson's son, anyone ever heard of thsi guy? I was surprised at how small he was, though well muscled, and he told me all these guys like Tyson and Holyfield are small in real life and look deceptively large on the tv screen."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Feb 20, 1999 (22:08)", "body": "From ESPN, the end of Mike Tyson: Saturday, Feb. 20 9:02pm ET Tyson in detention after apparent jail tantrum ESPN.com news services ROCKVILLE, Md. -- ESPN has confirmed that former heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson has been placed in administrative segregation at the Montgomery County Detention Center pending a hearing that is set for sometime Monday. The detention stems from an incident that happened Friday afternoon when Tyson received a disciplinary infraction for allegedly throwing a television at a set of bars. Tyson's outburst could make it harder for him to gain an early release to resume his career. \"Mr. Tyson was going through some problems Friday night,\" Eric Seleznow, spokesman for the Montgomery County Department of Correction and Rehabilitation, told Reuter news service on Saturday. \"He threw a TV. He was written up and remanded to the facility's administrative segregation area. He threw it against some bars with people on the other side. No one was injured.\" Tyson has been in the Montgomery County jail since Feb. 5. A judge sentenced him to 12 months imprisonment for punching a 60-year-old man in the jaw and kicking a 50-year-old in the groin last August after a traffic accident in the suburban Washington community of Gaithersburg. He pleaded no contest to two misdemeanor assault charges in December. County officials said he has been housed with about a dozen other inmates who are secluded from the general population of 640 prisoners. The Maryland jail term has meant fresh trouble for Tyson, a convicted rapist who was suspended from boxing for more than a year for biting the ears of world champion Evander Holyfield in a June 1997 title bout. Before Friday's incident, Tyson faced the possibility of being sent back to jail in Indiana for up to four years for violating probation after early release for the 1992 rape conviction. Tyson backers also have warned that the Nevada State Athletic Commission could revoke his license for good because of the Maryland incident. \"He's been generally compliant and reasonable until this incident,\" said Seleznow. County officials have said Tyson could resume training within three to four months if he were to gain early release for good behavior. But the prison officials who preside over Monday's disciplinary hearing could impose punishments ranging from a loss of good-behavior time to a loss of visitation rights and other privileges."}, {"response": 5, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Feb 23, 1999 (11:33)", "body": "he's a freakin psycho!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "osceola", "date": "Tue, Feb 23, 1999 (12:19)", "body": "He's had all the chances he's gonna get. His career is through, and he's got no one to blame but himself."}, {"response": 7, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Feb 23, 1999 (13:00)", "body": "honestly, I'm not sure he'll put two and two together on that one... I'm not sure he understands 'accountability' and/or \"cause and effect\" but thankfully, I think you're right... his career is finito!"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Feb  7, 2036 (00:35)", "body": "Apparently, Tyson was on the phone and a guard came and hung up the receiver, and Tyson went in to a rage, picking up a small tv set and throwing it in the direction of a couple of guards. They weren't amused. Tyson's toast, alright. He could have had millions and a good life, now he's on the way to a life behind bars."}, {"response": 9, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Thu, Jul  1, 1999 (13:55)", "body": "Wasn't that where he'd just been? Or do I mix something up?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (20:17)", "body": "I saw the fight in the smoke filled Yellow Rose titty bar down street from me. I went to watch the Longhorns game which was also pay per view but decided to stay and get my money's worth. I got a table dance from my friend Liz, which was fun. It was a good fight because I like the finesse matches better than the slugfests. De La Hoya deserved the fight because he landed about 100 more punches. But Trinidad landed slightly more straight punches, De La Hoya is a jabber. The final rounds should carry more weight, and apparently that's what the judges felt. Worst outcome: Don King gloating and the post fight. Lesson: Don't take anything for granted, even if you have a big lead."}, {"response": 11, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (22:20)", "body": "If Don King is in the opponent's corner, don't let the fight go to the judges' scorecards (even if Arum is promoting the fight). You know who has greased at least two of the judges."}, {"response": 12, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (22:29)", "body": "I am a licensed fight judge in the state of Hawaii. I haven't judged a pro fight in ten years, although my license is valid anywhere in the world. I still judge amateur bouts, and when I lose about 50 more pounds, will get back to refereeing as well. I don't believe the final rounds should carry more weight. That's why cards are taken between every round and tabulated. But still, you can't trust judges, and although boxing--unlike pro wrestling--is usually real, the outcomes are sometimes paid for. he one judge who called the fight a draw, Glen Hamada, of Tacoma, Washington, is originally from Hawaii. I judged the fight 115-114, DeLa Hoya. Still, that is so close that greased or not, I can't really squabble about a difference of two points on another judge's--who saw the fight live--card. And you don't get a totally real view on TV. Nothing beats the judges' seats, ringside center."}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 21, 1999 (10:35)", "body": "I think you scored it right, De La Hoya socred 100 more punches but they were lighter weight punches. And De La Hoya played it too safe at the end."}, {"response": 14, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Sep 21, 1999 (22:12)", "body": "Although I have strong anti-Don King feelings, I can't really blame the judges for this one. Judging, even honest judging, is a subjective art."}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 22, 1999 (07:51)", "body": "This whole thing cries out for rematch and re-rematch, mo' money for Don King and company. I wouldn't have seen it except for the Horns game. Next time may be better because De La Hoya has something to prove. And he'll not let up. What's up with Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. Is Lewis really the champ of the future? And have you seen this guy Butterbean? And what about women's boxing. Things to talk about."}, {"response": 16, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 22, 1999 (10:04)", "body": "IMHO, it is hard to consider Lennox Lewis, at age 34 \"the champion of the future.\" He is the current WBC champion, while Evander Holyfield praises God for the \"providential\" decision giving him a draw against Lewis (a fight Lewis clearly won) and letting him keep his WBA and IBF titles. Lewis is clearly the best heavyweight out there now. Holyfield, age 37, is someone all factions of the fight game agree that they still need--hence the protective decision. He doesn't wear dreadlocks, has never tested positive for marijuana, praises God and trains year-round (despite the fact that he has sired several children out of wedlock, something you don't hear much about because the press loves him also). Mike Tyson's boxing skills have clearly eroded, as has his image, but he is still the number one draw in the heavyweight ranks, much as people love to see train wrecks, despite their revulsion. Tyson can also still change the complexion of any fight with one lucky punch, or one bite, as the case may be. The real champion of the future may be Michael Grant, age 27, 6-5, 230 pounds, undefeated (31-0, 21 KOs). He hasn't fought top flight competition yet, but has all the physical tools, except that his chin is untested (which may also be a good thing; he hasn't taken beatings, which age the body). Eric Esch (a.k.a. \"Butterbean\") is an anomaly. He won a couple of national \"tough guy\" contests. He weighs over 300 pounds and is clearly flabby around the midsection. But people love to see him. He has charisma, is white (a factor, politically incorrect or not), and has decent boxing skills despite the WWF circus-type atmosphere that surrounds him. The powers that be gave him a \"special title\" and refer to him as the \"four round champion\" (hype). He refuses to fight more than four rounders, which r legates him to undercard status, but is on the undercards of the biggest events. I do like to watch him, but don't take his act too seriously because he, despite obvious skills, refuses to get into shape and try to take his act to a higher level, suggesting a certain complacency and lack of ambition. He is happy to be a well-paid sideshow freak. I have mixed feelings about women's boxing. Women have the right to fight if they wish. Some women are good fighters. I, as a consumer, would watch them on the undercard, just as I would Butterbean, but exercise my right not to pay to see a Christy Martin or Tracy Bird fight as a main eventer, just as I would not pay to see Butterbean in a main event, either, unless he lost weight and fought his way up the ranks (unlikely since he is in his mid 30s). If there's sexism in that, (as emperor Joseph of Au tria said in Amadeus ), \"Well, there it is.\""}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 22, 1999 (23:26)", "body": "6 foot 5, wow, reminds me that Wilt Chamberlain once claimed he could beat anyone in the ring but he never actually entered the fight ranks. What does Michael Lewis have to do to break into a title fight? Sounds like he's prime material."}, {"response": 18, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 22, 1999 (23:39)", "body": "At 6-5, Michael Grant is still two inches shorter than Lennox Lewis, who is the tallest heavyweight champion ever at 6'7\" (Primo Carnera was 6'6\"). I think his handlers are doing him well. He may be a year or two of seasoning (maybe even three) away from being ready for Lewis. Older warriors' handlers also don't want a young hungry upstart like him upsetting the apple cart until the public clamors for the fight. He may be ready for Holyfield, but there's no way that fight will be made as long as Grant is not a number one rated contender (always a political process) and the fight becomes mandatory. His handlers want a fight with Tyson (King wants nothing to do with it). King, a shrewd sort, would rather have Tyson waltzing over \"tomato cans\" until/unless he can get another title shot. Lewis hasn't taken the beatings that Holyfield has and may have another several good years left in him, even at 34. Grant is improving, but he still got into boxing rather late (at age 22) after a college football care r. There was hype in the mid 60s about Wilt wanting to fight Muhammad Ali (Chamberlain would've won as Ali would've been disqualified for breaking his kneecaps--repeated blows below the belt *LAUGHING*). Seriously, Chamberlain, a decent martial artist, would've stood little chance against a marvelous ring technician and physicist such as Ali. Ed \"Too Tall\" Jones, a 6'9\" former Dallas Cowboys defensive end took a year off to box, went 6-and-0 against undistinguished competition, but took a beating in a ight he won and retreated back into the \"safe haven\" of the NFL."}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 22, 1999 (23:46)", "body": "Wasn't Buster Douglas in a fight recently or scheduled to fight again against Tyson?"}, {"response": 20, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (00:25)", "body": "Yes, and was denied a license to box for being majorly out of shape. Considering that Butterbean is allowed, Douglas would have to be incredibly out of shape. He has ballooned to over 400 pounds in the past, though, and is a diabetic. Shame. But there is an old saying which is (sometimes) true. Fighters do only two things: fight or get fat. Certainly that was true with Douglas, George Foreman, Roberto Duran, and an old untalented former amateur light-heavysweight named Burnett (John, not former pro ight-heavy contender Jesse \"No Relation\" Burnett)."}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (09:12)", "body": "What was your record as a fighter John?"}, {"response": 22, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (13:51)", "body": "All amateur (1969-72) 31-12 (8 KOs). Slow, not much power, but a decent bodypuncher and good chin, which counts more in the pros than in the amateur ranks. Speaking of marginally talented boxers, do you remember Randall \"Tex\" Cobb, a heavyweight contender back in the late 70s, who has also done some TV and movie roles, mostly as a villain? Cobb was, and is, a large, genial, funny and smart (degree in philosophy from Abilene Christian) man. Howard Cosell resigned from boxing blow-by-blow after Cobb too a fearsome licking from then undisputed heavyweight king Larry Holmes. During the fight, Cosell had called on the ref and the ringside physician to stop the one-sided bloodbath, which they did not do. When informed after the fight what Cosell had done, Cobb quipped, \"I'll go another 15 rounds with Holmes if Howard will quit announcing football!\""}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (13:53)", "body": "That's a great story and a great record. Did you ever fight anyone we might have heard of?"}, {"response": 24, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (14:01)", "body": "Ken Norton beat me like he was my daddy, knocked me down twice, but I lasted the three rounds. Mate Parlov (a Yugoslav--don't know what ethnic background he was), former (at that time future) WBC light-heavy champ, I lost a surprisingly close decision. Former light-heavy contender and for a short while (I had forgotten) IBF cruiserweight champ Jesse (No relation) Burnett, gave me a sound whipping, but didn't knock me down. The only two times I was KOd, it was because of cuts, not knockdowns or disorien ation. Neither fighter who KOd me went on to pro careers. One was on the Cuban national team (I can't remember his name offhand, but he was good)."}, {"response": 25, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (16:02)", "body": "No concussions, then? Ergo no brain damage. Excellent news! Was not Alberto Juantoreno (spelled wrong, I know!)??? All Cuban boxers are better than average of anywhere else...I guess they have to be!"}, {"response": 26, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (16:25)", "body": "No, but I saw Teofilo Stevenson, the great Cuban heavyweight, fight after I took my lumps. He easily outpointed Buster Mathis, Sr., who was a hell of a fighter, despite his ample midsection. I'm sure I suffered some brain damage, but I was never knocked unconscious. I certainly was knocked silly, but nothing I didn't recover enough to fight from after getting up or being administered the \"standing eight.\" Stevenson was the best three round fighter I ever saw. I remember him cold-cocking the favored a d highly-touted Minnesotan \"great white h(d)ope,\" Duane Bobick, with a single punch, a few years later."}, {"response": 27, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (16:27)", "body": "BTW, if I'm not mistaken, Alberto Juantorena was an 800 meter Olympic runner, was he not?"}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (16:53)", "body": "Lasting more than 30 seconds in the ring with Ken NOrton is impressive, in fact, 3 rounds is very impressive. This was one of the all time fight greats and onetime heavyweight champion. Now, *that's* something to tell your grandkids about! Does anyone else in your family have your athletic ability?"}, {"response": 29, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (17:01)", "body": "Yeah, he was. But I knew if i threw a name in the ring you would think of the correct one and we would all know!"}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (17:03)", "body": "Tell us more about the Norton fight, your training, feelings going in and after, and where it came in both your careers. What year was it? Do you have a film of it?"}, {"response": 31, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (17:29)", "body": "It was a Navy-Marine smoker in San Diego. He was the Marine champion at the time and close to getting out (1970). He turned pro shortly thereafter, while still in the Marines. I had signed up for the Navy and was sworn in, but hadn't reported for active duty yet. Since I was officially in the service, I used the Naval Training Center's gym facility, since I could so for free. Since I was an amateur fighter, and they needed a light-heavy for the card, I was pressed into action. Elmer Martin, the Navy s light-heavy champion at the time (who I lost a decision to later that I thought I won) was supposed to fight Norton, but had suffered a training injury (sprained wrist). I had been sparring with him and did what I thought was pretty well, so I felt as prepared as I was going to be. Something in me knew that Norton was a lot better fighter than was. I was relatively inexperienced, I think it was my 11th fight, but I really wanted to to it, just to see where I stacked up. Three years later, I'm off th coast of 'Nam, and Norton, who developed into a heavyweight, broke Muhammad Ali's jaw. I knew he had a future as a pro, but I didn't know how much of one. I actually think that Norton had to really train himself very slim to fight light-heavy, but he had a bigger man's frame and knew how to use it. He was a nice guy, intelligent, well-spoken and gracious in victory (as well as in defeat when he lost his heavyweight title to Holmes in 1978). Marcia, I still can't remember the Cuban fighter's name. I as so stoked to see Stevenson (like everyone else in attendance)--and glad it wasn't him I had to fight. That bout wasn't televised...I don't know if any private films exist. I lost all my medals, pictures, and memorabilia in a house fire on the North Shore of Oahu in 1976. All that's left is memories (what's left of them) and the foundation to become an official."}, {"response": 32, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (17:35)", "body": "I have three cousins who were All-American football players at Arkansas. One of them, Bob Burnett, was the AFL rookie of the year in 1966 as a running back for the Buffalo Bills. I'm not sure I was all that talented...just hard-headed."}, {"response": 33, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (17:46)", "body": "Without a doubt, you are one of the most fascinating people I have ever met! And, you really know how to tell a story, but I already knew that...I am such a huge fan of yours...*sigh* I gather there are no petite people in your genetic line. But, there sure are talented ones *smile*"}, {"response": 34, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (17:48)", "body": "My dad, who had polio as a child, was smallish (5'8\", maybe 160). But not other than him. Not everyone in my family is tall, but we all, including my dad, were stocky...even when not fat."}, {"response": 35, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (17:53)", "body": "I remember one of Norton's all time great quotes, after getting KO'd in the first round by Earnie Shavers: \"No excuses. He did to me what I wanted to do to him.\""}, {"response": 36, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (19:47)", "body": "That's a great story about your Ken Norton fight, John and that's awesome that your cousins were all All American razorbacks. Tell us what you remember about the Norton fight iteself. How did ig go, blow by blow?"}, {"response": 37, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 23, 1999 (20:56)", "body": "I remember being overwhelmed. I certainly wasn't calling blow-by-blow in my mind, at least after the first really hard punch hit me, a great left hook which just missed \"the button\" about 20 seconds into the fight. At that point, thoughts of survival took precedence over any false bravado that I may actually win. I remember landing one good body combination in the first round, a left to the side and right to the solar plexus. I connected solidly, and when he didn't gasp, especially with the second blo , I realized how well conditioned he was. He was willing to let me have the body, if I could reach it, to protect his head. It was smart, because he was faster, with longer arms, and it was difficult to get inside to bang the body. I connected with some random body blows throughout the bout, no more combinations, and no more solid blows to the solar plexus. I don't think I hit him even once solidly to the face...a few grazing blows at best. He hit me with mostly jabs (amateur strategy), and he had a traight, jarring one, and a good left hook. His right cross was not yet well developed, it was looping, and I was able to avoid most of those by either ducking or moving laterally. I went down twice. Once towards the end of the second round. I never saw the punch. I was told it was a left hook. It clipped me right on the chin. I was able to hear the count from four on and got up at seven. I went into a defensive posture for the rest of the round and survived. My corner wanted to stop the fight. talked them out of it. My head cleared between rounds and I went into a crouching, defensive style for the third round. I abandoned any thoughts of hitting him in the head, and when he either tired of hitting me or regrouped to take a breath, I threw body shots, some of which landed, but if they were to have effect, it wasn't going to happen in three rounds. I went down again just before the end of the fight. Again, I didn't see or feel the punch, but I was told it was the hook again. This time I wa in serious trouble and couldn't make out the count. I could only hear that counting was going on and see the ref moving his right arm. I got up, grabbed the ropes, and when Norton came out of his corner, the first, last, and only thing I heard, was the bell saving me. I was cloudy, I was exhausted, both my eyes and my mouth were puffed, I was bleeding from a nostril, but I didn't really feel the pain until an hour or so later, at Balboa Naval Hospital, where they kept me overnight for observation."}, {"response": 38, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Sep 24, 1999 (06:30)", "body": ""}, {"response": 39, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 24, 1999 (10:18)", "body": "Wow, you took a pounding. Did Norton say anything to you while you boxed? Or before or after the fight?"}, {"response": 40, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Sep 24, 1999 (16:28)", "body": "Norton was a sportsman and a gentleman. He didn't do any trash talking. In fact, that was rare back then. Muhammad Ali did, of course, but his was funny and almost an art form, not the crude \"yo mama\" stuff of today. During pre-fight instructions, Norton listened intensely without trying to stare me down. He said nothing while fighting. He didn't have to; his dukes were quite eloquent. After the second round, he nodded and smiled at me. I think he was surprised I got up. If I been thinking about t, I probably would have been surprised, too. After the fight we talked briefly. He was both well-spoken and soft-spoken. He complimented me on my guts and my chin and encouraged me to stick with it. I recall telling him \"it was a privilege getting thrashed by you.\" He laughed."}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 24, 1999 (16:31)", "body": "That's funny. Great story, and Norton sounds like a fine person. Have you seen his son, Ken Norton Jr. I think it is, play for the 49ers. He's a helluva an athlete too. And he does this thing of punching out the goalposts after a great play every now and then. What interesting fights are coming up?"}, {"response": 42, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Sep 24, 1999 (16:39)", "body": "I haven't really checked. I'm in my postfight withdrawal after Trinidad-DeLaHoya. Call me sexist, but here's a sure sign the apocalypse is upon us: Seattle (AP)-The state Department of Licensing has approved an Oct. 9 boxing match between a 36-year-old woman and the second man to agree to fight her. The state had previously given the go-ahead to a match between Margaret McGregor of Bremerton and Hector Morales, 23, but Morales backed out last week. The bout approved Wednesday will pit McGregor, 130 pounds, against 34-year-old Loi Chow, 125, of Vancouver, British Columbia. The department's boxing program treated this fight application like any other, said spokesperson Geraldine Calvo, since Washington state law doesn't prohibit male-female boxing. \"If we feel it's a fair match, we go with it,\" she said of the first pro mixed match approved in Washington. Chow, a jockey and weightlifter, has a 0-2 record. McGregor, a landscaper, housecleaner, and former kickboxer, has a 3-0 record against women since turning pro in April."}, {"response": 43, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Sep 24, 1999 (16:46)", "body": "Norton's son is a fine linebacker, and probably the only guy in the NFL who can't whip his daddy. Maybe that's why they are reportedly estranged."}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (10:08)", "body": "Tonight Shane Mosley makes his debut at welterweight against Wilfredo Rivera, and there's also the rebroadcast of De La Hoya's \"domination\" of Trinidad."}, {"response": 45, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (20:01)", "body": "\"Sugar\" Shane is quite the stylist."}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 26, 1999 (09:28)", "body": "Tell us about the bout, I missed it, if you saw it. And a second look at the De La Hoya bout revealed that Trinidad fought a better fight than I thought. I had the sound on the Longhorn game so I didn't have the announcer bias factor."}, {"response": 47, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 26, 1999 (19:27)", "body": "I missed it. Live in a building where everybody has basic cable, but premium services are unavailable. I miss HBO and Showtime. I saw Trinidad-De LaHoya at a local watering hole."}, {"response": 48, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 26, 1999 (23:20)", "body": "Are you in Bayshore? Lagoon Center? Mauna Loa Shores? I am not sure I know where you live, my dear! (Don't need to tell me, of course...just wondering)Too much good stuff is on the one-better-than-basic option. We do not get all the sports channels and food and such - ex pays for that too, and I don't want to take advantage of his generosity!"}, {"response": 49, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (12:18)", "body": "John, Allow me as a newcomer here to bow in awe at your boxing pedigree. As has been remarked, to have fought someone of Norton's calibre (and survived 3 rounds) is a triumph, but to tell the story so well (and fairly) is mastery of a second art-form also. I understand your public is interested in the celebrities (I am too) but can you give us a blow-by-blow on what you consider your finest win? I am also delighted at the recognition that Lewis won the Holyfield fight, and sorry that the reputation of boxing judges was tarnished that night."}, {"response": 50, "author": "aschuth", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (12:35)", "body": "Hiya, Mark, and welcome to the Spring!"}, {"response": 51, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (12:46)", "body": "REally, welcome Mark, and the story of that Burnett lifetime high would be very interesting. I agree, it's one thing to hold your own against Norton for three rounds and another indeed to recount it so eloquently."}, {"response": 52, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (13:36)", "body": "He is back to teaching this morning. You will have to wait till afternoon our time, but I am sure it will be worth the wait. John is a wordsmith of rare talent. I got him to post, and it is the most fortuitous thing I think I have done for The Spring ! Welcome, Mark. Delighted to see you. Terry, Mark is a cricketer - if you can find anyone who might like to run a topic, I am sure he would find a little time to add information...he just feels he does not have the time to host one. (I'll hold him down while you twist his arm...!)"}, {"response": 53, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:14)", "body": "I'm afraid that working on the radio this weekend (no sub was available there) while still sick and chasing down the crashed plane story yesterday has left me not quite well enough to take back my classes today. I am \"playing hooky\" for one more day. Will be back in class tomorrow. Mark, welcome. I don't have any victories over anyone you probably have heard of. Everyone I fought who went on to a professional career beat me. I believe the best fight of my career (also a loss on the scorecards, although I still believe I won) was against the then-Navy champion, Elmer Martin, who I sparred with previously and therefore had knowledge of his style. He was a Navy \"lifer,\" a chief petty officer and career amateur. He was about 30 when I fought him and I was 19 (ironically, I was the one close to ending my boxing career, not him). It was the 1972 Navy championships, held at Great Lakes Naval Station north of Chicago. Martin was quick, but a light-hitting stick-and-move artist. I was more experienced when I fought him than when I had faced Norton. I found his jab annoying, but not really hurtful. I was able to slip some, take some, and get inside to bang the entire fight. I scored the fight's only knockdown (midway through the second round) on a combination left hook to the right side, uppercut to the chin. To his credit, he got up at five. Unfortunately, in amateur bouts (20 point must system at the time), a kno kdown counts no more than any other clean scoring punch. He was hurt. I could see it in his eyes, but I only had about 30 seconds to try to finish him off. He was taller and had better foot speed. He got \"on his bicycle\" and I pressed too hard, trying to go for the KO. I wasn't able to connect solidly before the round ended. He continued to jab away in the third round and I kept going to the body (a smarter pro than amateur tactic, but it was my best weapon). I got him to drop his hands midway through the final round and I tagged him with a left hook to the side of the face (missed the button by about an inch). He sagged against the ropes and the ref called a standing eight. His head cleared and he survived. It was a split decision. One judge gave it to me 59-58, the other two saw it 59-58 Martin. He wasn't famous, but did fight a few times on national TV (Wide World of Sports) sometimes telecast international amateur and national AAU bouts. Each military champion got an automatic berth in the national AAUs back then. Now that's only true if the state they are stationed in don't have state AAU championships (a few don't). Otherwise now, they must win the state AAU title to advance to the nationals. Martin was a good ring technician, better than I was, but I know I administered a beating to him. I had one slightly swollen eye at the end. He had a completely swollen lip and was bleeding from both nostrils. But he was brave and game and knew what to do to survive. I also think he got some consideration from the judges for having had the belt for several years."}, {"response": 54, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:28)", "body": "John, really interesting (and how lucky we are to have you another full day)...know anything about Cricket?"}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:36)", "body": "Good story. Would your career have taken a different turn had you won that fight? Was it pivotal for your boxing career? It sounds like had you won, you would have been on Wide World of Sports. Sure, cricket is so mysterious to most of us, it would be good to pump up the topic that might be there already."}, {"response": 56, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:40)", "body": "Marcia, I am pitifully ignorant. I used to watch Samoans play at Kapi'olani Park and Ke'ehi Lagoon Park in Honolulu and enjoy it, though. They have wickets (some sticky, I gather), the bat is triangular with flat faces, and the equivalent to a pitcher is called a \"bowler.\" I marvel at the athleticism of Samoans, as I do when I watch them play rugby, American football, or box, as well. I take it, Mark, you're British."}, {"response": 57, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:43)", "body": "Terry, I ended up getting sent to sea for the final three years of my enlistment. That effectively ended my career. If I had won the Navy title, things would assuredly have been different. I would have been allowed to remain on shore duty and might even have reenlisted. But things happen the way they do for a reason, and I don't have any regrets about that. And I didn't suffer any more brain damage, other than what an occasional brewski does."}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:45)", "body": "Maybe it was for the best then."}, {"response": 59, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:50)", "body": "Yeah. I really didn't have a future as a pro although it might be nice to have a Navy retirement check monthly. I got into radio and had fun and then started teaching a few years ago."}, {"response": 60, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:58)", "body": "Mark, like Delderfield's God, is an Englishman. Which topic in sports might be fair game...(one not being used for much right now is as likely as any, I would imagine...) Sticky wickets are forbidden. A little cross-piece sits across the tops of the wickets and it that little bale (the cross-piece) that you try to knock off - the ultimate end of the game. The batter swats the ball away from the wicket to protect it. If you have put some sticky substance on the wicket to keep the bale more securely at p it, that is a *big* No No ! (You also get 6 automatic runs for hitting out of bounds!)"}, {"response": 61, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (15:02)", "body": "Now we have a cricket topic! I was surprised there wasn't one."}, {"response": 62, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (18:49)", "body": "Mahalo Nui Loa...I just emailed Mark with the URL so he will see it when he gets to work tomorrow morning (his only access to the net)...*smiling in happy anticipation*"}, {"response": 63, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (11:30)", "body": "Good fight, John. Unlucky with the decision (contenders always get the short straw against champions). I still think the scoring system is crazy. You can get knocked down, and back off for the rest of the round without throwing a punch, but you'll always get nineteen points. And twenty for the round winner. Not much differential there."}, {"response": 64, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (11:43)", "body": "It's silly, especially when you consider that point totals are not announced in amateur fights. TV may have them, but they aren't announced to the crowd (at least in the 20 point must). I've never judged a fight with electronic scoring (where two out of three judges must agree within one second that a punch has landed cleanly and then the fight score is the number of clean punches landed for each fighter). I like it in theory, but in practice, I've still seen some worse than questionable decisions."}, {"response": 65, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (12:08)", "body": ". . . like the Holyfield win over Lennox Lewis?"}, {"response": 66, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (20:56)", "body": "Actually it was scored a draw (Lewis pounded him). Electronic scoring is only done in amateur bouts and at this point only in Olympic and high-profile international competition. I'm afraid it doesn't make judging any less political and nationalistic or any more honest."}, {"response": 67, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (04:07)", "body": "Laila Ali, the youngest of Muhammad Ali's nine children, makes her professional ring debut in October. Ali is 5'10\", with the face and figure of a model or movie star. She has had plenty of offers for both modeling and acting and has turned both down. I have seen two televised news accounts about her, and her opponent was not named in either story. But I saw her hit the heavy bag and throw punches at a mittened trainer and she looks more than comfortable. It will be interesting to see how she does wh n there is another human being throwing punches at her, if no other reason than her name is Ali. BTW, there is a new number one on my top five babes list: Laila Ali. She is that beautiful. Hopefully she has excellent defensive skills and will remain so."}, {"response": 68, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (08:31)", "body": "Her opponent is called April Fowler. The bout is in upstate New York Oct 8th."}, {"response": 69, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (09:10)", "body": "Never heard of her opponent, but you can bet she's been handpicked to be cannon fodder."}, {"response": 70, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (09:44)", "body": "I did a search on (highly recommended) google.com and found this pic. She's into good causes like her dad, in this case, against stun belts that are used to torture animals. http://www.amnesty-usa.org/rightsforall/stun/press-ali.html And a bunch more articles here: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/6251/wboxnews.htm google.com has just replaced infind.com as my favorite search engine."}, {"response": 71, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (11:09)", "body": "That pic doesn't come close to doing her justice. I think she's now about 20 pounds slimmer than that pic. She's listed as age 21, 5'10\", 165, bu she's buffed with washboard abs."}, {"response": 72, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (13:04)", "body": "She is a pretty lady! If, as you say, she is buffed and has washboard abs, that means she has whittled her fat percentage so low that you gentlemen's favorite part of the female form is minimalized. Hmmmm.... does that somehow make her less than desirable?"}, {"response": 73, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (21:13)", "body": "Not to me it doesn't. I'd like to whittle myself down enough to \"spar\" with her!"}, {"response": 74, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (21:23)", "body": "...but I thought there was a \"no clutching allowed\" rule...!"}, {"response": 75, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (21:25)", "body": "BTW, John, God never intended for you to whittle yourself to the size of that lady. Don't even think about it! (Unless you are thinking in some other way that I am not...)"}, {"response": 76, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (22:40)", "body": "She spars with her daddy. If I can get down to 200 pounds, I can spar with her."}, {"response": 77, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (23:32)", "body": "Ok...I agree with that! Go for it!!!"}, {"response": 78, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (08:32)", "body": "What roles to trainers and managers play during a fight, what is said to fighters in their corner, for example, what do you think Oscar de la Hoyas corner people were telling him? Who are the great corner people in boxing and what are their roles?"}, {"response": 79, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (20:40)", "body": "Managers, unless they are trainers as well (and there are many manager/trainers, should stay out of the corner. The manager himself is a dying breed in boxing. Most managerial duties have been taken over by trainers and promoters. In the older days (before Don King and Bob Arum), managers were the number one person in charge of a fighter's career, other than the fighter \"himself\" (before women's boxing). The manager dealt with promoters and matchmakers to get his fighter fights, negotiated the purse, hired the trainer and other corner people (a cut man is necessary in addition to a trainer in the corner), collec the check and see to it that it is distributed--hopefully honestly and properly (after training expenses, which usually comes out of the fighter's share. A good trainer is part coach, part psychologist, part teacher, part confidante, part drill sergeant and has to know which role to take and when to take it. In the corner, between rounds, the trainer should be the only one talking to the fighter. He should have the water bottle ready in one hand, the towel in the other. The other man, who carries the bucket and has an array of tools in his pocket is the cut man. Some corners have more than two people in the corner, but that is totally unnecessary, and can sometimes be detrimental. The cut man is a first-aid wizard and skin magician. He should be able to slow or stop the flow of blood from all but the very nastiest cuts, stop the flow of blood from the nose unless the nose is broken, and stop swelling of the eyes. His tools of the trade are: the towel, q-tips, vaselin , zinc oxide (related to what lifeguards use to keep their noses from sunburning, but mixed differently) to close smaller cuts, adrenaline capsules to stop larger cuts, a skinlike patching substance of recent invention, and end-swell (a small pressing-iron like device kept on ice to apply pressure and cold to swelling and bruised eyes. There have been a lot of great cornermen (also known as \"seconds\") throughout the years. Lou Duva (New Jersey) stands out among those still working. Fighters Duva handles or has handled include Holyfield, Bobby Czyz, James Scott, the Mayweathers. Greg Goosen (Ten Goose Boxing Club in L.A.), a former major league catcher, is an up-and-coming trainer/manager who has handled Michael Nunn, Michael Moorer, and Hawaii's own Jesus Salud. Teddy Atlas is a dynamite trainer. He handled Mike Tyson early in his career and Moorer (who didn't listen to him) when he lost to Foreman. Atlas also threatened Tyson with a gun while Tyson was still an amateur over allegedly trying to force Atlas' sister to have sex. It may be too bad he didn't pull the trigger. Legendary trainers (dead, retired, or semi-retired) include: Eddie Futch (Joe Frazier, and a host of fine Philadelphia fighters), Angelo Dundee (Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali), Pat and Goody Petronelli (Marvin Hagler), Gil Clancy (George Foreman), Ray Arcel (Willie Pep, Ezzard Charles, Roberto Duran). I could tell that DeLa Hoya's people wanted a more proactive approach from him in the later rounds of the Trinidad fight. They were right, but Oscar was certain that he had put away enough rounds \"in the bank,\" and went against their advice. A smart fighter will listen to his trainer--that's what the trainer is paid for. If you don't trust the trainer's advice, fire him and hire another. The bulk of the trainer's work is done when the fighter steps between the ropes, but the smaller and most important job begins then. Keeping the fighter focused, motivated, positive (without bullshitting him if he is behind or doing something stupid) and working as a second pair of eyes, noting weaknesses in the other fighter's defense that the fighter might not notice. Maybe the opponent doesn't snap his jab back after throwing. A good trainer would pick up on that and tell his fighter to continually hrow a counter lead right over the lazy jab to take advantage of the opponent's open chin. If a fighter does a good job of covering the head, the trainer will remind the fighter to \"take the body, the head will follow.\" (Cliche, but tried and true.) Teddy Atlas kept telling Moorer to circle to his right against Foreman, which Moorer did for most of 10 rounds (the fight was scheduled for 12). That gave Moorer, a southpaw with better hand and foot speed than Foreman, the advantage of getting his quick r ght jab off into the left side of Foreman's face, and also kept Moorer out of harm's way from Foreman's thunderous straight right. Moorer put the first nine rounds in the bank, but then started to go against his advice, standing still to trade and eventually circling to the left. Moorer was moving to his left when Foreman connected with a short, sweet right ro the chin that Moorer neither saw nor felt on his way to dreamland. Angelo Dundee noted that Sonny Liston hadn't taken Muhammad Ali (then Cassius Clay) seriously enough and had sloughed in his training before their first bout. He told Al"}, {"response": 80, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (21:02)", "body": "Wow! This is really interesting stuff! We used to watch the Tuesday-night fights on ESPN, but not sure if they still carry it. I always wondered what exactly the cut man was using and the efficacy of the stuff...it is truly impressive. You make it sound like an art form...!"}, {"response": 81, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (21:15)", "body": "You're probably the reason they call it the \"Sweet Science\" ... or am I confused and mixing metaphors? 'Twould not be the first time...!"}, {"response": 82, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (22:35)", "body": "They do call it the \"sweet science\" but I'm not the reason. I'm not sure, but I think that nickname started from the beauty and sheer physics of Sugar Ray Robinson's ring mastery (he won his first 123 fights)."}, {"response": 83, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (22:39)", "body": "When I was a kid and all these now-legendary boxers were active, they were tall, their muscles well defined and they had a grandeur about them. Now they are shorter than I am and almost as slender of frame. What happened?!"}, {"response": 84, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (22:49)", "body": "You got bigger and less impressed. Finely trained boxers are still wonderful physical specimens, but most eschew weight training in the belief that it makes their muscles too bulky and slow. Some, though go on specialized regimens of weight training designed by consultants such as Mackey Shilstone, who helped bulk up Michael Spinks from light-heavyweight to heavyweight."}, {"response": 85, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (22:55)", "body": "I am sure your analysis is correct. To a little kid, they looked like giants - like that statue of David by Michelangelo, even. But, I did get bigger and was impressed more by other things, I suppose. Call me jaded! Michael Spinks was had a great physique as I recall...they are still out there. And, I understand about all that muscle - nothing but heavy weight hanging around on you not being used if it is not utilized in your sport. Good point to remember. Thanks!"}, {"response": 86, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (22:58)", "body": "eeeek...Michael S. had a....(kill the \"was\")"}, {"response": 87, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 1999 (09:12)", "body": "That was a great explanation of the cornerman's role, worthy of being a magazine article or something, informative as hell. What is the role of the promoter and what are some of teh great promoters of today and the past. Specifically, how has Don King affected boxing?"}, {"response": 88, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (01:15)", "body": "The biggest thing a promoter is is a salesperson. The promoter has to put up the money to put on a fight card. The promoter can use his or her own money. If he or she is wealthy, so much the easier. But then, the promoter singularly assumes any and all risk. Most promoters use OPM (other people's money). It's not necessarily unlike being a Hollywood producer. The promoter is a person with a dream--in this case of getting two fighters together (the main event on a fight card). The promoter tries fi st to sell other investors the dream, then when all the elements are put into place (money is there to pay the purses of the main eventers, the undercard fighters, the arena, security, advertising, transportation costs, on-site training expenses, hotels, performance bond--a necessity in today's shaky market, especially since a fighter could get injured in training and pull out, referees, judges, sanctioning fees if it is a title fight, and of course, the promoter's employees salaries) the promoter goes ab ut the business of selling the public the dream as well. Advertising is a must, but smart promotion also means getting the media interested to get as much copy and air time possible to generate word of mouth among fans and other possible spectators (consumers). Don King, like him or not, is the ultimate promoter. He knows exactly how to sell the dream. He is keenly intelligent--if amoral--and preternaturally media savvy. He first comes up with a slogan to position the fight as more than a fight. It is an event. Then he uses the media to plant that slogan as a mantra in the collective public mind. \"Rumble in the Jungle, \"Thrilla in Manila, \"The Pride and the Passion,\" \"The Power and the Glory\"...King knows how to make his fight a must-see in the minds of fa s. He has redefined the role of the promoter, or perhaps refocused it. King, who likes to be the master of all he surveys, has taken a proactive approach that has essentially cut others out of the loop. When he finds a fighter whom he considers promotable on his terms, he tries to cut ties with that fighter's manager, if the fighter has one (e.g.: how King got Tyson to cut ties with manager Bill Cayton, who allegedly had an iron-clad contract with Iron Mike). King: \"Do you need Satan?\" Tyson: \"Huh?\" King: \"I meant, Cayton, but the question still applies.\" King will take over all facets of the fighter's career, including hiring a trainer--with the fighter's money-- who answers to King, not to the figh er. If King is unable to cut the ties, but the fighter is determined to go with King, the manager is paid off to become a low-level consultant and in effect, King has become the fighter's manager as well as the promoter (would you want Don King to be accountable for distribution of money in your camp?). But King has the heavyweight division almost all wrapped up, and nearly all fighters seem powerless to tell him no. George Foreman has made sure that King has no paper ties over his career. Foreman will fight a King promoted and managed fighter, but will sign no pact with King himself, other than just to fight. The main person Foreman is beholden to for his career (he is self-managed) is Seth Abraham, programming czar at HBO. Fighters like Mike Tyson and Julio Cesar Chavez have become virtual slaves to King. Some fighters are perfectly happy with the situation, but King, like what Colonel Tom Parker did to Elvis, e acts a much larger share of any purse than what I would consider fair, reasonable, or even conscionable. There is also little doubt in my mind that King has at least three sets of books: his own, those he shows fighters, and those he shows the IRS. King's top fighters, although they have fought for all the alphabet soup sanctioning organizations' belts, are almost always a lock for a WBC (World Boxing Council) title. It is said that the WBC, which is headquartered in Mexico City, is basically just another arm of Don King enterprises, and that WBC President Jose Sulaiman is basically just King's translator and entree into the seemingly endless supply of talented Latin-American fighters. The only other huge event manager out there is Bob Arum (Top Rank, Inc). Arum seems benign compared to King, but he is a cutthroat New York lawyer who just happens to have a much nicer public face. He is more of a delegator than is King, but really has no more interest in a fighter's well-being than King has. If I were a fighter and wanted to go with a full-service stable (management, promotion, training), I would try to sign with Lou and Dan Duva. The Duvas run a family fight business out of New Jersey. Father Lou is a legendary cornerman (manager/trainer), son Dan is a lawyer and handles the promotional end with his sister Shelly. The Duvas have a promotional partner, Shelly Finkel, a New York attorney with experience as a rock concert promoter (which really isn't that much different, and with mosh pits, ould be just as violent). Cedric Kushner, a South African promoter, "}, {"response": 89, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (10:37)", "body": "This is another awesome rundown, these responses are worthy of being a feature article on a major publication website like ESPN! We're lucky that you're sharing these insights with us. I was intrigued about your comment about promoters getting to the Internet, how do you think they'll utilize it? Will there be pay per view events? Are there any decent boxing websites out there? What kind of stuff did you do as Silva's matchmaker?"}, {"response": 90, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (10:55)", "body": "There are some pretty good websites out there. Mostly run by computer savvy railbirds and gamblers. The official sites (The Ring, WBA, WBC) suck. I'll put some up later when I have time to look (I'm terrible about bookmarking, but have a decent memory). Internet pay-per-view is certainly one avenue, but is not all that viable yet because so few customers have T1 or ISDN connections. Sites devoted strictly to pre-fight hype and mentioned by graphics in TV commericials and voice in radio commercials is a major possibility. As much hoopla as surrounded the Ali-Foreman fight, King could have drilled it home even further if he'd had the web then. How about \"www.rumble.com\" Is that a memorable URL or what? As Silva's matchmaker it was my responsibility to put together the best fights possible on the budget available (purse, transportation, etc.) He would usually take care of the main event himself, although sometimes one fighter would back out, and if that was the opponent instead of the local fave, I would be charged with the replacement. I would compare records--both numbers and who they fought--look at recent trends, if someone was in their prime or slipping, styles, boxers, boxer-punchers, runner-surv vors, and try to get the best bang per buck. Ideally you would get as even matches as possible between fighters with crowd-pleasing styles. I would use contacts I knew, mostly referees and fight judges around the country, if a fighter looked good to me on paper, but I'd never seen him in person or on TV or tape before. I was starting to get pretty good at it, and we were making a modest amount of money--not losing--which is rare for Hawaii promotions, when Mario got into trouble. I don't have the \"kah nes\" to promote, myself. Too risky and I'm already a poor man."}, {"response": 91, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (11:36)", "body": "Have you thought of doing your own boxing website? You certainly have the expertise and writing skills to pull it off!"}, {"response": 92, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (12:18)", "body": "I don't have the time...and it would be hard to sell it from Hawaii. I log on to the Spring too much *SMILE* Enjoy most of the smart people here. Here are what I consider the best boxing sites: 1. Honest Howie's @ http://www.boxingranks.com It is a gambler's site, run by an oddsmaker. Gives his own independent rankings. 2. http://www.boxingpress.com good independent rankings, plus the official stuff as well 3. http://www.boxingtimes.com 4. http://www.boxingonline.com 5. http://www.boxinginsider.com All have their own agendae...some are run by writers, some by gamblers, Boxing Insider is a beautiful site with excellent graphics and decent analysis, but the writing appears to have been proofread by fifth-graders. Still, all these sites have their merits."}, {"response": 93, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (12:47)", "body": "Great stuff, as usual, John. Much thanks!!! Why do I immediately cringe and become skeptical when your first URL is \"Honest Howie's\"...?!"}, {"response": 94, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (16:54)", "body": "Wow, Honest Howie's heavyweight rankings: Heavyweight Division Champion - LENNOX LEWIS 1. Ike Ibeabuchi 2. David Tua 3. Hasim Rahman 4. Andrew Golota 5. Michael Grant 6. Chris Byrd 7. Kirk Johnson 8. Evander Holyfield 9. Mike Tyson 10. John Ruiz Holyfield 8th and Tyson 9th (no surprise). And Lennox Lewis deservedly at number one."}, {"response": 95, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (16:56)", "body": "And it the controversy dept: SEATTLE (Reuters) - In the long and checkered history of professional boxing there has never been a match quite like the battle of the sexes on the card at Seattle's Mercer Arena Saturday -- a chance for a man and a woman to slug it out legally. The fight pitting Margaret ``Tiger'' MacGregor, 36, against Loi Chow, 33, the first officially sanctioned male-female bout, has attracted international media attention along with howls of outrage from professional boxing circles. The Association of Boxing Commissions, citing ``very real health and safety concerns,'' is recognizing the fight only as an exhibition. One well-known trainer offered $5,000 to call off the match, and a state representative wants to make mixed-sex boxing illegal. ``We really think it's a dangerous precedent, and it's something that women's boxing is not embracing in any form,'' said Rick Kulis, a longtime sports promoter and founder of the International Female Boxers Association. ... more at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991007/sp/boxing_sexes_1.html"}, {"response": 96, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (17:29)", "body": "I saw some coverage on the subject of the mixed sex boxing match on ESPN's SportsCenter. Very weird. No matter what the outcome, someone will have valid excuses for it."}, {"response": 97, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (20:15)", "body": "I'd posted an AP story about it previously with a remark about the apocalypse being upon us. I just plain don't like it--and it doesn't matter who wins."}, {"response": 98, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (20:31)", "body": "It is worse than having women in combat as far as I am concerned. This is complete idiocy and they can count on my not watching it!"}, {"response": 99, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (20:32)", "body": "BTW, Marcia, yes the name \"Honest Howie\" is used-car laughable, but you'll get the straight scoop from him long before you will from the WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF, IBA, IBC, NABF, or Don F-----g King. I'm also quite partial to the Boxing Press site, as well."}, {"response": 100, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (20:37)", "body": "Ok, I will take your word for it because I trust you! Howie and the Boxing Press for my boxing news...the rest are \"waste time\"!"}, {"response": 101, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (20:55)", "body": "Here are Honest Howie's takes on some upcoming big fights. Naseem Hamed vs. Cesar Soto October 22, 1999 Hamed by middle to late round KO. Soto can be hit, and Hamed sure can hit hard, so the ending should favor Hamed, who has looked awful in his last couple of outings and has a tendency to get knocked down. Soto is on another level than Paul Ingle, who gave Hamed a scare, and so there should be good exchanges and ebb and flow, but Hamed's superior quickness and power should win out. Hamed needs to buckle down and win impressively if he's going to silence the critics of his wrestling-style entrances to the ing. Hopefully we'll be spared the backlit effect where Naseem's Dumbo ears look like giant alien elongated protruberances of unknown origin, and I must admit I'm secretly hoping that the insufferably arrogant Hamed takes a pratfall doing his patented over-the-ropes flip. Erik Morales vs. Wayne McCullough October 22, 1999 Morales by middle to late round KO. Wayne McCullough is still tough and gritty, but he's older and slower and smaller than the harder-hitting Erik Morales. Wayne's heart should carry him for a while but, barring a lucky punch, Morales' two-fisted attack should wear down the past-his-prime McCullough. Mike Tyson vs. Orlin Norris October 23, 1999 Tyson by early to middle round KO Orlin Norris is tailor-made for Tyson: Norris is always in front of you and looking to trade, a disastrous situation against the bigger, stronger, harder-hitting Tyson. That's why Tyson is fighting Norris, because Mike needs and wants some easy money fights before setting his sights higher. I don't know if Tyson can still beat a young up and coming heavyweight contender, but he can certainly still starch the Orlin Norris types. Roy Jones vs. Graciano Rocchigiani November 6, 1999 Jones by decision. This should be Jones' toughest test since the first Montell Griffin fight, when Jones, behind on the judges' cards, hit Griffin while Montell was on the canvas and was disqualified. Roy Jones was always a legend in his own mind, but he used to be able to back it up in the ring. Jones seems to me to be slipping, with his quickness receding like his diminishing desire to fight. By contrast, this is the chance of a lifetime for Rocchigiani, who is definitely a top tier light-heavyweight c ntender. I don't think Rocchigiani will pull off the upset, but I think he'll do better than expected, leading others to question whether Jones still has the goods to back up the attitude that makes Naseem Hamed seem humble. Lennox Lewis vs. Evander Holyfield November 13, 1999 Lewis by middle to late round KO. This is the end of the line for Evander Holyfield. Lewis fought cautiously last time, and I expect a lot more aggression from Lennox this time around. Lewis now knows for sure he can beat Holyfield, while Evander is older and slower than last time. Holyfield is used up after all his wars over the years, and his confidence must have eroded. Lewis is both bigger and stronger than Evander, and also has the edge in quickness. Combined with the psychological anger fueling Le is, and Holyfield's knowledge that this is probably his last fight, win, lose or draw, I think Lewis will be able to take out Holyfield in a thrilling if sad KO that even the judges can't take away from Lennox. I would be surprised if Holyfield has enough left in the tank to make much of a contest of the rematch. Michael Grant vs. Andrew Golota November 20, 1999 Golota by late round KO. This should be a terrific fight for the fans, with lots of heavy exchanges and maybe more knockdowns than Foreman v. Lyle. Grant looked awful beating Lou Savarese, a club fighter, and seemed to be low on stamina. By contrast, Golota has fought better opposition and has gone the rounds. On the other hand, Golota is what is known in classical Freudian psychoanalytic technical jargon as a nut job, and you never know if he'll have his head screwed on right come fight night, or do a d psy-doodle like he did against Lennox Lewis. My guess is that Lou Duva has had enough time and a few fights with Golota to get his man in the zone or the cagey Duva would not have matched Andrew against Grant. This is Grant's big chance to shine, but I'm guessing that Golota will be ferocious and will wear down and take out an increasingly tired Michael Grant in the late rounds. John's postscript: I see that Howie doesn't think that Michael Grant is ready for Golota yet. He just may be right. Golota is big, quick, powerful, is now with Duva in his corner--but as Howie so aptly puts it: a nut job. I did not see the Grant vs. Savarese fight, but all I talked to who saw it said Grant looked awful. I hope it was the wake up call he needs. This is a big risk for Golota and a big opportunity for Grant. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Grant's physicality will frustrate Golota, who will be disqualified for low blows (what the hey, take a risk occasionally...Golota has been known to hit way South before). BTW"}, {"response": 102, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (21:26)", "body": "From Reuters: Ali's Daughter Announces Boxing Debut By Jill Serjeant BEVERLY HILLS (Reuters) - As nervous as a butterfly and as jittery as a bee, the daughter of former heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali Tuesday announced her professional boxing debut. She has already been dubbed the ``Madame Butterfly'' of women's boxing despite not having even a fought a single amateur bout. But Laila Ali, 21, knows she has much to prove -- not least to her doubtful father whose dazzling hands and footwork allowed him to ``float like a butterfly and sting like a bee''. ``He's skeptical about it. He's not comfortable with it. He doesn't want me to get hurt. But he's going to support me as a father,'' Ali told a news conference announcing her Oct. 8 debut as a professional heavyweight. Ali, a tall 168-pounder who took up boxing only a year ago, said she would fight April Fowler at the Turning Stone Casino in Verona, New York in what is likely to be the most closely scrutinized bout in the history of female boxing. ``Nervous? Yes. I'm nervous,'' she admitted. ``There is a lot of pressure on me. I know that everybody is going to be watching me. All expectations are going to be very high.'' ``I'm gonna get hit. I'm gonna get my face swollen. That's going to happen. Every other fighter deals with it and so will I,'' she said. The youngest daughter of Ali's nine children, 5 foot 10 inch tall Laila said she had sparred with her father -- now ailing with Parkinson's disease after 21 years in the ring -- and had done some of her training at his private gym in Michigan. But she was reluctant to draw too close a comparison with the man won his first world heavyweight title at the age of 22 and went on to anoint himself ``The Greatest''. ``I think my footwork is very good, like my father's. I'm also very strong, very confident.'' ``I'm coming to this sport with respect to other female boxers. I'm not planning on just coming in and dominating this sport because there are a lot of other women who have been training long and hard,'' she said. Ali, who also runs her own nail salon business in Los Angeles, said she became interested in boxing at the age of about 18, long after her father retired. It started as a form of exercise until she got hooked ``when I felt how good it was hitting a bag.'' For the past year she has been training six days a week, running three or four miles (5-6.5 km) a day. She and her father have not yet decided whether he will watch her take on Fowler -- a former amateur who lost her only professional fight. And she was uncharacteristically tight-lipped about how much she would earn from the bout. ``I'd rather not answer that,'' she said."}, {"response": 103, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (21:31)", "body": "For those using metric and have no handy converter, I'll try again: Laila Ali is 5'10\" (70 inches) tall (177.8 cm) and weighs 168 pounds (76.2Kg)"}, {"response": 104, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (21:44)", "body": "Friday, October 8 Ali's daughter wins by knockout Associated Press VERONA. N.Y. -- They called Muhammad Ali \"The Greatest.\" Just call his daughter \"The Quickest.\" With her father watching from ringside, 21-year-old Laila Ali made her pro boxing debut by knocking out April Fowler at 31 seconds of the first round Friday night before about 2,800 fans at the Turning Stone Casino Convention Center. It was no fight at all. Fowler, a waitress from Michigan City, Ind., was inept in the ring, often turning her head as she punched. Ali speared her with several jabs and then knocked her out with a left-right to the jaw. When Fowler hit the floor, Ali stood over her with her fist cocked, reminiscent of how her father stood over a KO'd Sonny Liston in the first round of their rematch in 1965. Her father showed no emotion when the fight ended, but his wife, Lonnie, smiled broadly. The 5-foot-10 Ali, who weighed 166 pounds, could have trouble finding opponents because most female boxers are not that heavy. While the daughter was in the co-featured match, it was the father who drew the crowd. Shortly before 9 p.m., as the ring announcer acknowledged \"a man who needs no introduction,\" the crowd rose to its feet, cheering. Muhammad Ali then entered the ring with Lonnie. Also accompanying him was Hannah, Laila's sister, and one of two daughters Ali had with his third wife, Veronica. Laila's mother, Veronica Kennedy, sat on the other side of the ring from Ali. Laila Ali, who owned a nail salon in Los Angeles, said she got interested in boxing when she took it up as exercise to lose weight. It has been suggested that she is exploiting one of the most famous names in sports. In a TV appearance earlier in the week, however, she said, \"It is my name, too, so I don't feel I'm exploiting anything.\" Fowler, fighting for just the second time -- she was knocked out in the first round 18 months ago -- had said she expects to be back serving tables at her restaurant Saturday night. Fowler, who is divorced, also said she plans to celebrate her son's ninth birthday Sunday. The fight preceded a 10-round heavyweight match between Donovan \"Razor\" Ruddock and Jose Ribalta. Ruddock knocked down Ribalta twice and stopped him at 1:49 of the first round. There was no question, however, that the main attraction was the Ali name."}, {"response": 105, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (10:21)", "body": "No question! She's going to have a tough time finding opponents alright, obviously this first one was a soft touch to avoid embarassment. The fight wasn't televised either. It sounds like she could handle much tougher opponents."}, {"response": 106, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (16:05)", "body": "Just from what I saw of her, she could probably embarrass a lot of male middleweights, although I am totally against the idea of intergender boxing and it almost makes me glad that Andy Kaufman is dead."}, {"response": 107, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 1999 (21:22)", "body": "For those who just have to know, Margaret McGregor (age 36, 130 pounds) pounded out a unanimous decision over Loi Chow (age 34, 125 pounds), in the first intergender professional boxing match sanctioned in Washington state (and the first known anywhere). McGregor, a landscaper and former kickboxer is now 4-0. Chow, a jockey and weightlifter (who moved like his muscles were carved of stone) is now 0-3. No one was hurt, but the crowd was terminally bored by the lack of action, even though the women in th audience were thrilled at the outcome."}, {"response": 108, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 1999 (23:08)", "body": "There'll be no keeping them barefoot and pregnant now!"}, {"response": 109, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 1999 (23:51)", "body": "That was never my intention. My uncles did plenty of that, thank you. I just don't want to see a woman killed in the ring because this woman was able to beat some tomato can who didn't know how to fight."}, {"response": 110, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 1999 (23:52)", "body": "But I guess if being killed in the ring--and in combat--is equality, that IS what the women's movement is fighting for. (I'm not against equal pay for equal work, BTW. G.I. Jane should get combat and hostile fire pay.)"}, {"response": 111, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct 14, 1999 (00:36)", "body": "I was being facetious...but you make valid points. I never intended to mean you, Joh, dear, but your comment that the ladies in the audience were thrilled by the outcome made me think of that phrase. Ill timed, as is most of what I have posted lately! Sorry!"}, {"response": 112, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Oct 14, 1999 (01:07)", "body": "I saw a brief video clip. The audience was mostly women...and understandably they were thrilled. I don't know if this is true equality--frankly, I'm not sure what true equality is--but it is someone's idea of it."}, {"response": 113, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 15, 1999 (20:14)", "body": "...as far as I can figure, true equality is such that no one is satilsfied with the arrangement - either sex! Women shall partake in combat when men bear children! The whole notion sounds better than the implementation of same, I am afraid!"}, {"response": 114, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 16, 1999 (22:39)", "body": "I think there are more women ready for combat then there are men ready for childbearing."}, {"response": 115, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 17, 1999 (13:22)", "body": "You could safely wager the farm on that...or even willing whether or not they are ready!!!"}, {"response": 116, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (00:35)", "body": "Yet another desultory chapter in the ongoing saga of Mike Tyson, a.k.a. \"Count Dreck-u-la.\" Tyson was disqualified in his bout with former cruiserweight champion Orlin Norris today in Las Vegas. Tyson hit Norris in the head after the bell ended the first round. Norris hit the canvas hard, which injured a knee and rendered him unable to continue. The fight was on pay-per-view, and as usual, I am glad I did not waste my all too meager, hard-earned dollars on watching this escaped psychiatric patient/human train wreck."}, {"response": 117, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (00:46)", "body": "I was just listening to ESPN radio about the fight. There are clearly no clear decisions on whether Norris had a knee injury, but they all agree on the cheap shot after the bell. When will they DQ Tyson for all times? Probably after he stops drawing the rich, famous and stupid to pay big bucks to watch his side show!"}, {"response": 118, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (00:57)", "body": "Tyson-Norris Fight Ends in No Contest Norris injures knee and can't continue after blow lands late ASSOCIATED PRESS LAS VEGAS, Oct. 23 \ufffd Mike Tyson knocked down Orlin Norris with a left to the head after the bell ended the first round Saturday night and the fight was declared a no contest. Ring announcer Jimmy Lennon, Jr. said the fight was stopped \"after an accidental foul.\" The stoppage of the fight was greeted with loud boos from the crowd in the MGM Grand Garden, which was the scene of Tyson's third-round disqualification for biting Evander Holyfield's ears on June 28, 1997. As soon as the fight was stopped, a host of security personnel flooded the ring. Several minutes after the fight ended, Norris remained sitting on his stool. Abel Sanchez, co-trainer of Norris, said the fighter could not continue because of a twisted knee. After ringside doctor Flip Homansky examined Norris and conferred with Nevada Athletic Commission members, the commission took its action. Tyson had his right glove on Norris' arm when the bell rang to end the first round. Then Tyson shot home a short left to the head that dropped Norris. \"He threw it (the fight),\" Tyson said. \"How (did) I hit him in the jaw and he hurts his leg?\" After Norris went down, Tyson went to a neutral corner and was followed there by referee Richard Steele, who lectured him. Steele then turned and signaled he was penalizing Tyson two points. Meanwhile, Norris got up and walked slowly to his corner as Steele beckoned Homansky to come look at Norris. While this was going on, many in the crowd of 12,987 were venting their displeasure. Tyson, fighting for the first time since he knocked out Francois Botha with a single right on Jan. 16, put pressure on Norris from the outset. He landed a couple of hard rights, but he was mostly wild. Norris got in a punch or two, but was mostly wild, too. Then came the left after the bell that ended the fight as Norris left the ring with an ice bag on his right knee and was helped by Sanchez. Those remaining in the arena booed him. It was another bizarre happening in the life and career of Tyson. Because of out-of-the ring problems, the match was only the eighth in the last eight years for Tyson. His career was interrupted by a three-year prison term on a rape conviction, and this year by a 3\ufffd month jail term for assaulting two motorists in Maryland after a fender bender. Tyson was supposed to get $8.7 million, but it was not immediately known if his purse would be withheld. Norris' purse was to be $800,000, but because of his manager's cut and an IRS lien, plus a court order involving a lawsuit with former promoter Frank Warren, he was only to receive $264,640. Tyson is supposed to fight Shannon Briggs on Feb. 26 in Madison Square Garden. Before this fight, there was the possibility he would also fight in December. What happens now is anybody's guess. The 33-year-old Tyson weighed 233 pounds, having lost 57 pounds since he was released from jail May 24. The 34-year-old Norris weighed 218. Tyson's record remains 46-3 with 40 knockouts. Norris, a former cruiserweight champion, is 50-5 with 27 knockouts. On the undercard Saturday night, Diego Corrales knocked down Roberto Garcia twice in the sixth round before finishing him off with an overhand right at 48 seconds of the seventh to take Garcia's IBF junior lightweight title. It was the first loss in 33 fights for Garcia, making his third defense of the title he won in March 1998 from Harold Warren. Corrales (29-0, 24 knockouts) hurt Garcia with a flurry of punches in the sixth, finally knocking him down with a short left followed by a right hand with a minute left in the round. Garcia got up, but his legs were rubbery and he went to one knee after a big right hand with 15 seconds late. He managed to get up again and the round ended before he could be hurt further. \ufffd 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. JOHN'S POSTSCRIPT: It was announced that Tyson's purse would be held up pending a meeting of the Nevada State Boxing Commission. Tyson was NOT disqualified, as I erroneously surmised earlier. The fight was called a \"no contest.\" This is another bizarre (read that \"stinking of Don King\") decision. Steele took two points from Tyson after the end of the round, but ring annoucer Jimmy Lennon, Jr. was instructed to announce that the match was a no-contest due to an \"accidental foul\" on the part of Tyson. Common sense (and boxing rules) would dictate that if two points are deducted for the late blow, how could the foul be accidental? The reason for calling it a \"no contest\" rather than coming to the proper conclusion (a disqualification) is two-fold: 1) preserve Tyson's record (no, not his criminal record, although this is certainly related), and to keep Norris from getting a victory by disqualification. Norris had a clause in his contract for a rematch at three times the $800,000 purse he fought for, sh uld he win. That would cost Don King $2.4 million dollars for Norris alone"}, {"response": 119, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:07)", "body": "YET ANOTHER SIGN THAT THE BOXING APOCALYPSE IS UPON US! Olympic Boxing Champ Arrested: 48-year-old Stevenson headbutted airline employee ASSOCIATED PRESS MIAMI, Oct. 23 \ufffd Three-time Olympic boxing champion Teofilo Stevenson of Cuba was arrested Saturday for headbutting a United Airlines worker who tried to stop him from passing a checkpoint to board a flight to his home country, Miami-Dade Police said. Miami-Dade Police Sgt. Steven Leibowitz said the 48-year-old Stevenson was charged with aggravated battery and resisting arrest with violence. Stevenson posted $12,500 bond and caught a later flight to Cuba, Leibowitz said. The injured airline worker, 41-year-old Pedro DeLeon tried to stop Stevenson as the boxer tried to force his way past a checkpoint, police said. Stevenson headbutted DeLeon, chipping DeLeon's front tooth, they said. Airport police arrived to find United Airlines workers trying to restrain Stevenson. When officers stepped in, Stevenson began fighting them. Police were able to arrest the combative boxer without being injured. Alexandra Villoche, general manager for United Airlines in Miami, said DeLeon was looked at by paramedics and sent home. He had cut lips and a chipped tooth, she said. The 6-foot-3, Jamaican-born Stevenson grew up in Cuba and still lives there. He was a super heavyweight champion in the Olympics, winning the gold medal in 1972, '76 and '80. In 1980, Stevenson became the first Olympic boxer to win three gold medals in the same division. He won his first gold in Munich in 1972 by default after Ion Alexe of Romania broke his thumb in the semifinal bout. In 1986, at the age of 34, Stevenson, who always remained an amateur, won the world championship. \ufffd 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. JOHN'S POSTSCRIPT: So they let Stevenson go back to Cuba. Hmmmm...no extradition agreements there!"}, {"response": 120, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:11)", "body": "It is amazing how the story permutates as time passes. The ESPN guy was still in the boxing site giving his take on the fight and he called it a DQ. Now it is a \"no contest\" to insure all of the wrong things about this \"sport.\" Greed triumphs once again and the populace gets their bread and circuses to keep them happy. Pathetic!"}, {"response": 121, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:16)", "body": "OK, John...another case of steroid poisoning??? How miserable...Apocalypse, indeed. (And most assuredly a hero's welcome to the \"Fatherland of Castro\" from whence come no extradition treaties...!)"}, {"response": 122, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:17)", "body": "Your analysis is right on the $$$, Marcia. At its best, though, I would still not put the sport in quotes. That hurts personally. Unfortunately, very little about boxing lately seems to resemble the sweet science I know and love."}, {"response": 123, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:24)", "body": "I truly enjoy collegiate and Olympic boxing, and the prostitution of the sport with what has been happening of late is reprehensible. I grieve with you and I am sorry I put those quotes there. Just as Pro wrestling needs a new name to preserve the true nature of collegiate and Olympic wrestling, so does the game of professional boxing. It is no longer a sport in the true sense of the word."}, {"response": 124, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (08:04)", "body": "I hope everyone who \"paid-per-view\" is refunded for a \"no-contest\" as presumably they didn't pay to view no contest (Of course they won't be - the promoter may withhold the boxer's purse, but far be it from the TV company to withhold the fee from the promoter)."}, {"response": 125, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (09:28)", "body": "especially considering that the promoter is Don King..."}, {"response": 126, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 1999 (13:01)", "body": "Oh Mark, not a chance for a refund for those willing to pay to view it (I did not) - they did view what there was of it, for better or worse. Hours of call-in show time has been given over to the merits or demerits of the non-event. I do not recall anyone wanting their money back, but I did hear several calling for the retirement (forced, if necessary) of Tyson. Not a chance for that as long as Don King is greedy (forever!) and Tyson gets a fat paycheck! We are doomed to future hype and non-boxing even s, I am afraid!"}, {"response": 127, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 1999 (15:10)", "body": "John will be disgusted (but not surprised) to learn the Nevada Boxing Commission just said some harsh words to Make Tyson on his behavior but issued no jedgement or sanctions against him. A little slap in the wrist for appearances' sake then back to business as usual. How revolting!"}, {"response": 128, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (16:34)", "body": "It's possible that either you or I misinterpreted this. Here's my reading of it. They would have a legal fight on their hands that they could not win if they had tried to keep his purse. They did the only thing they could. They said they would not renew his license to fight in Nevada when it expires 12/31/99. If they stick to their word, that will be good enough for me. We'll see what happens then. As for Mike--he can take a hike."}, {"response": 129, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (16:57)", "body": "I trust your take much more than Mr Mariotti and his like on the all-night sports talk shows. He was the reporter in this case. ...make that a l o n g hike (short pier optional!)"}, {"response": 130, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (18:46)", "body": "They can use a long pier just as long as Mike keeps on walking when it ends!"}, {"response": 131, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (18:54)", "body": "Precisely the point!"}, {"response": 132, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (10:20)", "body": "What's your take on the upcoming Holyfield Lewis rematch? Can Holyfield resurrect himself? Is Lewis not a part of the fix?"}, {"response": 133, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (15:27)", "body": "Holyfield has done it twice before when everybody said he was finished (prior to the second Bowe fight and the first Tyson fight). Lewis is definitely not part of the fix. Riddick Bowe threw a perfectly good championship belt in the trash can to avoid facing him. I don't see Holyfield honestly beating Lewis in a clean fight, but I think Lewis has to K.O. Holyfield for the powers that be to anoint him. I think he'll get screwed again if it goes to the scorecards again. Despite his infidelities and out- f-wedlock children, Holyfield has the cleanest image in boxing, and boxing, which needs an image boost, doesn't want to let go of that. Lewis is a dreadlock-wearing Goliath who has tested positive for marijuana in the past and dare I say it--isn't American. That wouldn't matter in any other division, but in the heavyweight division, being American--and a proud one, like Holyfield or Foreman--is everything."}, {"response": 134, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (16:16)", "body": "A shocking article in the Miami Herald that I saw at http://sportspages.com says more than 50 fights have been fixed or tainted over the last 12 years. Some of those involved are George Foreman, Butterbean and others. One heavyweight admits faking a second round knockout to Foreman in Oct, 88 in Marshall, Texas. He took a dive. Heavyweight Andre Smiley admits to taking 14 fake knockouts bdtween 1990 and and 1997. At least four Butterbean bouts were bogus, either thrown or \"tainted with fraud\". And Foremans rise to fame was built on at least four faked fights."}, {"response": 135, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (16:22)", "body": "Sadly, this no longer surprises me...saddens me, yes!"}, {"response": 136, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (16:26)", "body": "And this is the tip of the iceberg. Or so the article says."}, {"response": 137, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (16:33)", "body": "*sigh* They might just as well do as Pro Wrestling did and make it a side-show in actuality rather than masquerading as a legitimate sport...unless they wish to clean house with a REALLY stiff broom!"}, {"response": 138, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (18:32)", "body": "KEN RODRIGUEZ krodriguez@herald.com More than 30 prizefights have been fixed or tainted with fraud over the past 12 years, according to men who have fought and lost to George Foreman, Frans Botha, Eric ''Butterbean'' Esch and other top-ranked fighters. Tony Fulilangi, once a world-ranked heavyweight, says he faked a second-round knockout by George Foreman on Oct. 27, 1988, in Marshall, Texas. ''I really hate to say this because it's not good for the sport, Fulilangi said. ''I took a dive.\" Former heavyweight Andre Smiley says he made thousands of dollars faking 14 knockouts from 1990 to 1997. ''I made a lot of money throwing fights, he said. Some fighters negotiated payments to throw matches. Others, unbribed, fell down merely to avoid injury and get a quick paycheck. Widely suspected but rarely documented, fake fights threaten to remove the last shred of credibility that separates boxing from professional wrestling. ''The fix goes to the issue of integrity and trust in the game, said U.S. Rep. Mike Oxley, R-Ohio, who has sponsored a boxing reform bill aimed at protecting young fighters from unscrupulous promoters. ''Nothing could be more American than believing in a fair fight. And if that is not happening, the public has every right to lose faith in the sport.\" Fall guys helped heavyweight Butterbean Esch boost his earnings from $600 a bout as a little-known club fighter to $60,000 as a star attraction. Two opponents and two boxing commissioners say at least four Butterbean matches were thrown or tainted with fraud. Boxers told The Herald that many fraudulent matches were arranged by promoters or matchmakers intent on improving a fighter's record and ranking to earn big-money title fights. The sport, some fighters say, is steeped in corruption far worse than alleged criminal misconduct now under FBI scrutiny. GRAND JURY PROBE A New Jersey grand jury is examining allegations that the International Boxing Federation extorted money from fighters and promoters in exchange for elite rankings. Rankings determine title fights and other lucrative matches. In June, federal agents raided the Deerfield Beach headquarters of promoter Don King, seeking evidence that might link him with alleged kickbacks to the federation. The FBI investigation, however, does not center on fighters paid to throw matches. Club fighters or journeymen are often asked to take dives, according to Herald research. Sometimes, well-known fighters are approached. Iran Barkley, a former world light heavyweight champion, has been asked to throw a match. ''They said, 'I'll give you $30,000 to do this, to do that,' he said, declining to identify who approached him. ''They wanted to build up some kid and felt my name would look good on his record. . . . I would never do it. BOXER 'SAT DOWN' Fulilangi says nobody asked him to throw his fight to Foreman. No one had to. Then 28, Fulilangi says he took the match after telling a promoter that he had a bad back and a bum leg and was semi-retired. The promoter insisted and the money was good: $30,000. A Foreman uppercut dropped Fulilangi in the second round. An overhand right floored him a second time. ''He never hit me the third time, Fulilangi said. ''He jabbed me and threw a swinging right hand. I went under it and sat down. Videotape of the fight confirms Fulilangi's account: Foreman missing with a right hand, Fulilangi reeling into the ropes, then falling to the canvas. Announcer Al Albert: ''I don't think he even connected, but it is being counted as a knockdown. Said Fulilangi, ''I went down just to get the money. I went to the airport with a smile on my face.\" Foreman laughed when told of Fulilangi's account. ''That happened to me all the time,'' said Foreman, 50, who won the heavyweight title for the first time in 1973. ''If they're getting a whuppin', it's up to them to decide if they want to continue.'' NOT SO UNUSUAL Fulilangi's fake knockout is not an isolated incident. The dive is common, boxers told The Herald. According to sworn statements and interviews with more than 60 fighters, promoters, trainers, managers, matchmakers and commissioners: Two former heavyweights, Andre Smiley and Mike Smith, threw fights at the behest of Sean Gibbons, a matchmaker with Top Rank Inc. Smiley told The Herald that Gibbons offered him bonuses during fights to fall down. Smith told the Oklahoma Department of Labor that Gibbons routinely asked him to throw fights. ''A complete lie, Gibbons said. Two other men helped fix matches for the late promoter Rick Parker. Former heavyweight Tim Murphy said he conspired with Parker to throw a 1991 fight with former pro football star Mark Gastineau. Boxer-turned-matchmaker Sonny Barch said that under instructions from Parker, he bought 10 or 11 victories for Florida heavyweight Mitch Sammons in the late 1980s and early '90s. Sammons did not respond to certified letters seeking comment. Little-known heavyweight James Calvin Baker threw four matches, including one on nation"}, {"response": 139, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (18:46)", "body": "Sad but true. $-it happens. I'm relieved that Foreman had nothing to do with the alleged fixes here. Many fighters take dives themselves for the payday. In my couple of years as a matchmaker, Mario Silva never once asked me to do anything illegal or dishonest--despite his reputation as a gangster. I have seen \"fighters\" lay down for a payday before. They were immediately crossed off my list for projected employment. If I ever work as a matchmaker again (doubtful since I want to stay in Hilo), I will resign if ever directed to conduct such monkey business. I love real fighters, those who get in the ring and give their all, whether talented or not. I kn w the duplicity exists--at all levels of the fight game, including some dishonest \"journeymen\" (and it's hard to blame them...they don't have a retirement plan...most will never see a payday of more than a couple of thousand bucks unless they lay down. I'm not excusing them--there's no excuse. But the rottenness is a top-down phenomenon and the two names most responsible are Don King and Bob Arum. It is enough to make people go to the WWF. At least it bills itself as \"Sports Entertainment\" instead of a legitimate sport. It's also the reason I seldom pay-per-view for a bout. I have connections at a couple of watering holes locally who will allow me in for no cover to see such bouts. I still believe that Lewis had nothing to do with a fix. They only mentioned when fighters take a dive. They never mentioned paid off judges (which only works if the fight goes the distance). Orlin Norris, on the other hand???? Mike Tyson will never get another penny of my money. I decided that several years ago and have stuck to my guns. But there has been dishonesty in many, if not all sports. The Black Sox threw the 1919 World Series (although it looks like Shoeless Joe, who took the money, didn't realize the fix was on by his statistics). There have been convictions for point shaving in both college football and basketball. Paul Hornung and Alex Karras were both suspended for betting on NFL games. There is evidence that Pete Rose bet on baseball, although not on games involving his teams. It is rampant in boxing. The Mafia has al ays been close to the fight game. But there are honest crooks (oxymoron, maybe, but legal and honest aren't always the same thing--ask any lawyer), too. I worked for one."}, {"response": 140, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (19:07)", "body": "Ya mean it all boils down to semantics? (didn't think so...)"}, {"response": 141, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (21:04)", "body": "No I don't mean it all boils down to semantics. I mean that often honest and legal are two different things. I know that everytime Mario Silva was mentioned in the paper, he was an \"alleged crime figure\" as well as a promoter. I'm not doubting his mob connections. I do know that I was never asked to do anything mentioned in that Miami Herald article, nor did I do anything of that nature. I also believe that there are honest promoters out there. I believe the Duvas are honest and I believe that Cedri Kushner is also. But I am finding it as hard to defend boxing, which I still love, as Hillary Clinton is finding it hard to defend Bill, whom she claims to still love, as well."}, {"response": 142, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (21:35)", "body": "It is very difficult not to be a crusader when something means as much as boxing does to you. There is always a nagging voice talking to your mind that there must be something which could be done...but i think this is bigger than a crusading individual or several, for that matter. I suppose that means tax dollars at work again...and senate subcommittees and I will watch them on CSAN as I always do..."}, {"response": 143, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (21:36)", "body": "...CSPAN...of course!"}, {"response": 144, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Nov  3, 1999 (19:11)", "body": "I think I like CSAN better. C-SPAN is just an acronym for boring. Maybe if the Republicans took on the Democrats in Senate subcomittee cage match battle royals!"}, {"response": 145, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov  3, 1999 (19:18)", "body": "No holds barred??? I'd pay to see that if they were not so old and feeble to begin with...!"}, {"response": 146, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (11:06)", "body": "Steve Largent for the Republicans (young, by political standards, former NFL star) vs. Al Gore for the Dems (still young by political standards, physically fit...let's see if he is ready for a REAL political battle)"}, {"response": 147, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (11:10)", "body": "BTW, the president and several executives of the International Boxing Federation (IBF) were indicted for taking bribes from promoters to rig rankings. Again, the only surprise is that they were caught (if there is a conviction...Don King has been indicted several times, but never convicted). I would only feel good about this if the promoters allegedly involved were also indicted, including King and Arum. Yes, again I know that the power players who rule boxing are mostly corrupt. So were the Roman em erors who ordered the mostly Greek gladiators to fight to the death in the Coliseum (has anyone seen \"Spartacus\" lately?). This is nothing new...which was the subject of a smart-assed commentary by Larry Beil yesterday on ESPN. I have never heard our beloved Hawaii boy quite so sarcastic."}, {"response": 148, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (11:10)", "body": "Al Gore, physically fit? Really? Steve I can see - he is a natural athlete... Matchmaker, do your thing! (I thought the only thing Gore was fit for was to be the son of somebody famous...and to hug trees, which I have been known to do as well...!)"}, {"response": 149, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (11:13)", "body": "I caught Larry Beil yesterday and was amazed...I thought it was funny... and I wondered how you were reading what he was saying. Irreverent, at the very least."}, {"response": 150, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (19:09)", "body": "I read it as total sarcasm--the lowest link on the human food chain. Right of course...and it looks like one of the bribes Bobby Lee took was $100,000 from Cedric Kushner to get Axel Schultz the fight with Foreman for the latter's IBF heavyweight championship belt. The first defense for Foreman should have been a rematch with Michael Moorer, who he KOd for the belt. I should have known, but I don't know how it passed me. Foreman was the beneficiary of a questionable decision--likely because his promote , Bob Arum, paid Lee a bigger bribe. Gore jogs and lifts weights...he doesn't get any play for it because the jogging reporters are always following Clinton jogging to McDonalds. Gore is also famous for the (lie if you believe Republicans) (misstatement if you believe him..of course, Reagan was also famous for saying he \"misspoke\") that he INVENTED the internet--which he certainly did not."}, {"response": 151, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (19:10)", "body": "and I mean that sarcasm is the lowest link on the humor food chain rather than human, but I find sarcasm is the tool of those not funny enough to use real irony."}, {"response": 152, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (19:14)", "body": "Let's face it. Gore is boring. If I had to cover one or the other, I'd go for the one who at least keeps me awake (don't trust him, so I have to stay awake!) Bravo to Larry B. Too bad it did not get print coverage."}, {"response": 153, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (19:16)", "body": "Irony is a fine art and requires a facile mind and wide knowledge. You are an expert at this - Larry is not, I think. But, good, nonetheless! (Listening to Cricket match. Yay!!)"}, {"response": 154, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (22:19)", "body": "I occasionally resort to sarcasm as well. Roald Dahl is pretty darn good with irony. Larry is a fine sportscaster. I just am bemoaning or to use your word \"lamenting\" (something I don't enjoy doing) the requirement that any cable network sportscaster be a card-carrying member of \"Wiseguy Nation.\" Larry didn't do that at KGMB, but he got really good at it at KTVU and it got him the national shot. It certainly was intelligent of him to realize that was the only quality he needed other than his knowledg of sports and good looks to make it to ESPN."}, {"response": 155, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (08:52)", "body": "Any thoughts on the upcoming Holyfield Lewis rematch, I know I already asked this but the fight is drawing near. Will you watch it in a sports bar or something?"}, {"response": 156, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (22:52)", "body": "I guess the easy answer is who is being paid to do what? I believe that Holyfield would have to KO Lewis to win legitimately and that Lewis would have to KO Holyfield to not get screwed by a tainted decision. It all makes me want to puke. I'll probably watch it at Fiascos, which is abvout a mile from me or maybe Shooters, which is in the building I live in. The former is the better atmosphere, but the latter is an elevator ride and a fifty foot stagger home without having to put a key in the ignition. My heart like to see Holyfield win--but only if he deserves it. If Holyfield doesn't have enough left for a legit win, I hope Lewis KOs him and that Holyfield retires without being seriously hurt. Sorry for not being more definitive, but I don't know who is being paid for what. I do believe however, that both of these fighters will fight and neither one will lie down. A warrior is supposed to win with honor or be carried out on his shield by the Valkyries. That is, ideally, what I hope for."}, {"response": 157, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (22:59)", "body": "You? Stagger home??? I have never seen you like that. Hmmm... (internet proves educational again!) As regards Larry Biel, ESPN has a requirement that all personnel pass the WiseGuy test. I am afraid they are responsible for its proliferation. It gets tiresome!"}, {"response": 158, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (23:02)", "body": "(Your Valkyries are mere children right now. You will be required to live a long and full life here until they are grown to immortality and can enable your trip to Valhalla. Bonzai! Okole Maluna! Salut!"}, {"response": 159, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (05:45)", "body": "If Don King were to rig it to make the most future money, how would the fight go? What outcome would most likely result in a rematch?"}, {"response": 160, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (09:32)", "body": "Post heavyweight championship fight comments, John Burnett? How does the heavyweight division look now? Is a Tyson vs. Lewis showdown inevitable?"}, {"response": 161, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (14:11)", "body": "I emailed him to post his comments, please...or to email them to me and I would post them for him I talked to guys Saturday evening at Basketball who had seen the fight and found it went the distance with Lewis winning a unanimous decision. I am curious to know John's take on that, as well."}, {"response": 162, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (20:16)", "body": "\ufffdb Times of London Rob Hughes witnesses a welcome shift in the power base of boxing Finished business brings justice and a place in history The claim that British world heavyweight champions are forever in sepia is no longer true. Lennox Claudius Lewis, child of the East End of London, is bringing home the many belts that divided world boxing. It took him 12 intense rounds here on Saturday. It took ten years of sustained effort and self-belief, and an often unfair battle against loaded boxing politics, to get his chance. And it has taken a whole century, since the Cornishman Bob Fitzsimmons in 1897, for anyone born in Britain to be acknowledged as the outstanding heavyweight on earth. I do not suppose Old Bob's achievement, which also came against an American in Nevada, was accompanied by a chorus of \"Inger-land! Inger-land! Inger-land!\" as Lewis's was. And wherever the spirit of Fitzsimmons lies, it now has a soulmate. \"Its a great feeling,\" Lewis said before leaving the Thomas and Mack Center. \"A lot of people don't realise the years of trial and tribulation of me trying to be the heavyweight champion. But I can't look back and be bitter. Now is the time to be happy - it gets no better than this.\" With that, he, his mother Violet and their entourage slipped into the night in a white stretch-limo. A matching limousine, with windows darkened to keep out the pain, transported Evander Holyfield, the Gospel Warrior, into what should, if he summons the will to break the boxing compulsion, be an overdue retirement. Holyfield thought that he had won the bout on Saturday but three Nevadan judges were unanimous and, with a dignity that contrasts with his bull-like aggression in the ring, Holyfield accepted the verdict and wholesomely acknowledged the \"reality\" of Lewis's triple crown. The two limos were barely out of first gear before the neon boards switched off \"Search for the Truth - Unfinished Business\". Busy, busy Vegas has new acts to sell, new one-night stands, new heavyweights starting this morning with Bill Gates, the Microsoft entrepreneur, in town for a convention. The bruises that both men - and boxing - have absorbed this year are history. But the measure of what Lewis has achieved is registered in the names of the prizefighters that he joins. Since Fitzsimmons, only six non-Americans had been undisputed heavyweight champions - Tommy Burns (from Canada, 1906-08), Max Schmeling (Germany, 1930-32), Primo Carnera (Italy, 1933-34), Ingemar Johannson (Sweden, 1959-60), Gerrie Coetzee (South Africa, 1983-84) and Trevor Berbick (Jamaica, 1986). None lasted long. The United States, with its grip on the purse strings, on television and on the boxing councils, had no fewer than 37 champions in the century. Doubtless, an American will be first to challenge Lewis - Mike Tyson, if the new champion gets his way. \"I'm willing to box anybody out there,\" a triumphant Lewis said. \"I'm ready for the younger fighters, but I'd love to box every boxer in my era. I would love to fight Mike Tyson if he's available.\" Tyson, the discredited. Tyson, the beast who is a has-been. Tyson who needs the money but whom boxing, if it is to regain repute as a sport, does not need. It is not hard to see Lewis's perspective. On paper, Tyson is the big name missing from the Lewis portfolio. Five years ago, when Lewis almost begged a meeting with the fearsome one, Tyson sidestepped him. Now Tyson has fallen into disrepute. Now that the fingers of Don King, Tyson's manipulative manager, are prised from the belts, how could it be good for Lewis, or for boxing to hand back the opportunity. What had seen Lewis through in Las Vegas had been his morale, his greater reach and weight - unlike the bout in Madison Square Garden in the spring, when Holyfield looked a spent force, over-age and underweight in the modern era of giants. Lewis, at 6ft 5in, dwarfs him; Lewis, at 34, is three years younger; Lewis at 17st 3lb has bulk to spare. To his credit, Holyfield changed his training routine from day to night. He hired fitness and movement experts. He rediscovered indomitability to give a far harsher, closer contest than in March. Then the judging, most obviously of Eugenia Williams, who said she could not see what she was scoring, betrayed Lewis. On Saturday night there were times when a draw loomed as legitimate. What would the judges do in this febrile arena? \"Stand up if you hate Don King!\" sang the 6,000-strong English support group in the top tier. Their chant was pertinent, for King is the figurehead of a mistrusted scene. By night, when King's prices ranged from $200 to $2,000 in the hall, and $50 in clubs and hotels screening pay-per-view, Holyfield v Lewis II appeared deceptively unispiring compared with New York for the first bout. There, the English were brash, loud and clad in Union Jacks. Here, trust in pro boxing appeared to be flagging. The 17,913-seat arena was not sold out. The glitterati assembled in New York were reduced to a few. Box"}, {"response": 163, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (20:22)", "body": "Way too may articles to post here are contained in the Sports Section of the Times of London. Each is a very good read and gives insight no US periodical will. Until John posts, read here: http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/99/11/15/timsptbox02004.html?1319194"}, {"response": 164, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (22:36)", "body": "From John Burnett It was a boring fight but the decision was the right one. I feel sorry for anyone who paid $50 to see it pay-per-view. The fight certainly doesn't call for a rematch. A postfight poll on MSNBC showed that 67 percent of respondents wanted Lewis to defend against Tyson next (9 percent picked Michael Grant--as did I, 7 percent picked Henry Akinwande, 4 percent picked Holyfield, and almost 13 percent picked \"somebody else\"). If the public wants to see Tyson, they'll get him. Lewis is the best heavyweight out there right now, but has all the excitement of a bologna sandwich. Tyson is outrageous, unpredictable, undependable, sometimes criminal, but he is never boring, which is why I guess more people pay to see pro wrestling than boxing. I personally think that Tyson ought to make his living in pro wrestling--along with Dennis Rodman."}, {"response": 165, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (08:21)", "body": "I agree, he's a precarious sideshow. But let him be put on the sacrificial alter of Lennox Lewis, who comports himself much more admirably than any other fighter in memory. He comes across as honest, humorous, and seems to have pretty clear vision. But is he actually managed by Don King? If so, it seems so incongruous."}, {"response": 166, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (09:10)", "body": "Lewis is not managed by King, but by Panos Eliades, a London businessman of Greek extraction, who rather amusingly takes very little cr*p from King. King is allowed to hog the stage as the promoter, as usual, but Eliades does not back down on money issues. I remember reading that some provision in the last promotion catered for Lewis to do very well out of the purse of a re-match in the event of a draw, and King didn't know it was there, tried to jolly the match back to the previous terms, and got completely rebuffed. Lewis, as John says, is a good but uninspiring fighter (with a sense of humour)."}, {"response": 167, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (13:53)", "body": "That's a relief that Don King doesn't have his mitts on Lewis. Maybe this Greek promotor has more scruples than the typical lot. The problem with boxing is there's only a top level tier, there's no middle. Or at least no one's interested in the middle. That's why Tyson surfaces again so easily, purely out of name recognition. He's the only one folks know about. And he's notorious."}, {"response": 168, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (08:52)", "body": "HBO is showing the Holyfield Lewis fight tonight. IBF went home with it's belt rather than give to Lewis. Should Lewis just throw all these belts in the trash? Maybe the BCS or whoever does the football rankings for bowl games should rank the boxers and do away with all these belt scams? The IBF wanted a $300,000 sanctioning fee. What the hell is a \"sanctioning fee\"?"}, {"response": 169, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (18:00)", "body": "From John Burnett No, Lewis shouldn't pull a Riddick Bowe and throw away any belts (Bowe threw away the WBC belt when they told him he would have to fight Lewis after Bowe had beaten Holyfield in their first fight that's how Lewis got his original title). All of the \"governing bodies\" of boxing demand a \"sanctioning fee\" for recognizing the fight as a title fight for their organization. That helps to pay for the belt itself, officiating and other administrative charges, plus a tidy but hopefully not excessive profit. For a fight of the largest magnitude, $100,000 is usual, customary and perhaps reasonable, $300,000 is excessive, like someone is being bribed--maybe IBF Prez Bobby Lee? NO! NOT THAT PARAGON OF INDICTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's FAR too honest and honorable for THAT!!! (Ooh, am I resorting to sarcasm? Sorry, Lee's not worth the effort of real irony, and I apologize to Larry Beil, as well!)"}, {"response": 170, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (18:03)", "body": "Paragon of Indictment?! *LOL* Love it! Thanks, John"}, {"response": 171, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (09:16)", "body": "I saw the fight over the weekend and thought it was a lot closer than the first fight. Lewis has a kinds of hands down at his side, laid back style. But his long reach really helps him out. It was David (Holyfield) and Goliath (Lewis), but more of a friendly Goliath."}, {"response": 172, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (12:56)", "body": "FROM REUTERS: Boxing: Lewis Plans to Defend Title Next April LONDON (Reuters) - Briton Lennox Lewis plans to defend his undisputed world heavyweight title next April following his points win over defending champion Evander Holyfield of the United States on November 13. Promoter Panos Eliades told a news conference Tuesday the Lewis camp hoped to arrange a home fight in April and manager Frank Maloney said they would now sit down and discuss a possible opponent. North American Boxing Federation champion Michael Grant is one possibility while Lewis said he would also consider a bout with the former undisputed champion Mike Tyson. ``It would be a great fight,'' Lewis said. ``I would love to fight Mike Tyson.'' Eliades said he had received offers from China, Japan, South Africa and Canada to stage Lewis's first title defense."}, {"response": 173, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (14:50)", "body": "Lewis Makes Muted Return to British Life LONDON (Reuters) - Beyond a trio of bored Soho nightclub bouncers, Lennox Lewis made a muted return to British life on Tuesday on an appropriately drab November day. For all the interest shown in the heart of London's West End, the bouncers would have been better employed chucking people in rather than keeping them out of the first British news conference staged by the new world heavyweight champion. The indifference of the crowd hurrying through Leicester Square reflected the ambivalence in Britain to Lewis. If often too passive for many fight fans' taste, Lewis is the genuine article in a way that Frank Bruno never was. Yet if Bruno had defeated Evander Holyfield for the undisputed world title there would have been calls for a ticker tape parade, freedom of the City of London and a place in the new House of Lord's. Bruno's ability was in inverse proportion to his impressive physique. Lewis has proven himself the best of an admittedly lackluster crop of heavyweights. STEWART PRAISES LEWIS Lewis chose to tour the U.S. talk shows for a week rather than return home to a hero's welcome and he shows no taste for cheap publicity. It was left to his trainer Emmanuel Steward to provide the requisite soundbites on Tuesday. Lewis, opined the veteran American, was the best heavyweight he had ever been associated with. Furthermore, he said, the best was still to come from the 34-year-old. ``He has got so much talent that is in reserve,'' Steward added. ``In his next fight he will really display that.'' Promoter Panos Eliades said Lewis hoped to stage the first title defense next April, although no opponent has yet been decided. North American Boxing Federation champion Michael Grant, whose points defeat of Poland's Andrew Golota was watched with interest by the Lewis camp last Saturday, is a possibility. So too is Mike Tyson, unless the troubled former world champion self-destructs in the meantime. ``It would be a great fight,'' said Lewis. ``I would love to fight Mike Tyson. ``His fans would like to seem him fight me and my fans would like to see me fight him. But he has been a naughty boy.'' Steward said he believed Lewis could fight any of the present contenders at the rate of one every five to six weeks, raising conscious echoes of Joe Louis's ``bum a month'' campaign. ``He can knock them all out in six months,'' Steward continued. ``I would like to seem him fight every other month.'' Lewis, meantime, intends to bask in the luxury of his new found status. ``Even to be undisputed champion I had to box 24 rounds,'' he said in a reference to the controversial draw in the first Holyfield fight. ``Now I am undisputed champion, I will set some other goals. ``There are some big guys out there. But none really as good as Evander Holyfield.''"}, {"response": 174, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (23:39)", "body": "From John in re the article above: Tyson's unreliable and Lewis is uninspiring...what a bore-snore that could be, unless Mike took another bite. As for Emanuel Steward, of course Lewis is the best heavyweight he ever had. He has never had a decent heavyweight before. He's had tons of good lightweights, welters and middles, though."}, {"response": 175, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (11:56)", "body": "Of course Lewis would love to fight Tyson, it's the biggest possible payday and the easiest fight. And as far as Michael Grant, he wasn't totally convincing the other day, he came close to being KOed. Tyson's the only guy with name recognition, well, I guess there's George Foreman."}, {"response": 176, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (16:01)", "body": "John: Michael Grant isn't ready yet. He may be one day, but he got a late start and frankly, is looking like Riddick Bowe used to--like a worldbeater one day and a chump the next. It looks like we are going to have to take another dose of Iron Mike, like it or not."}, {"response": 177, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec  1, 1999 (14:33)", "body": "Wednesday - 14:56 12/01/99, EST Tyson to Fight in Germany in August - Manager BERLIN (Reuters) - Former world heavyweight champion Mike Tyson will fight Ukraine's Vitali Klitschko in Germany next August, Klitschko's manager was quoted as saying Wednesday. ``The fight will take place in August,'' manager Klaus-Peter Kohl told the daily Bild. Kohl said he would like the fight between Tyson and Klitschko, the German-based World Boxing Organization (WBO) heavyweight champion, to be staged in Hamburg's main soccer stadium. The manager said the fight, which was originally scheduled for January, would be Tyson's first since his October 23 no contest against Orlin Norris in Las Vegas. Norris injured his right knee and could not continue after falling to the canvas when Tyson punched him after the bell at the end of the first round. The Norris bout marked Tyson's return to the ring after a nine-month absence during which he spent 3-1/2 months in jail for assaulting two motorists after a minor traffic accident last year in Maryland. Previous Article: Olazabal Plays Down Garcia's Million Dollar Chances Next Article: Torrance Named European Ryder Cup Captain"}, {"response": 178, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (18:05)", "body": "...and the side-show continues... Tyson to Fight British Champ Next Month in London LONDON (Reuters) - Mike Tyson will fight British heavyweight champion Julius Francis on Jan. 29 in his first fight outside the United States since he lost three world belts in Tokyo in 1990. Tyson, 33, will be hoping to avoid a rerun of his shock 10th-round knockout by longshot James ``Buster'' Douglas when he meets Francis in Manchester. ``Iron'' Mike is trying to resurrect his career after being banned for biting Evander Holyfield's ears in their 1997 title fight. His last outing against Orlin Norris in October ended in farce when Tyson punched Norris after the bell had sounded for the end of the first round. Norris retired injured and the bout was ruled no contest. ``We're hoping for a happy experience here in England, without the darkness and anger that has surrounded previous fights,'' American fight promoter Jay Larkin told a news conference Tuesday. ``We're looking at it as a relief from the whirlpool Mike's been living in in the States.'' British promoter Frank Warren said only 3,000 seats remained for the fight at the 21,000-capacity M.E.N. Arena after tickets went on sale Sunday. Warren would not reveal Francis's likely purse for the January fight but confirmed it would be more than the 15,000 pounds ($24,250) he was due to earn defending his Commonwealth title this week. Francis has had to relinquish his Commonwealth belt as a condition of taking the Tyson fight. The 35-year-old Francis, who has won 21 of his 28 contests with 11 knockouts, said he feared nothing after life as a bouncer, a kick-boxer and a fighter in unlicensed bouts. ``I know how to get down and dirty too,'' the ``Woolwich Warrior'' told the news conference. ``I'm not going to let Tyson intimidate me with his dirty tactics. Tyson feels pain and bleeds like any one else. Let the best man win.'' After serving a jail term for grievous bodily harm 10 years ago, Francis now lectures at schools and prisons on the dangers of a life of crime. The father of four has successfully defended his British title three times this year but has struggled to take a step up in class. Francis lost a European title challenge to Croatia's Zeljko Mavrovic in 1997 and was beaten by German Axel Schultz and current WBO champion Vitali Klitschko of the Ukraine in 1998. One cloud still hangs over the bout as Francis's promoter Panos Eliades last week told Reuters he had knew nothing about the Tyson fight. Eliades played no part in Tuesday's official confirmation of the January event, where Welshman Joe Calzaghe will defend his WBO super middleweight title against top-ranked contender David Starie."}, {"response": 179, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (19:12)", "body": "John's considered view of the contest upcoming: It's sad. Barring bad knees and ear bites, Tyson will demolish this glorified doorman inside of 3."}, {"response": 180, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (22:54)", "body": "Tuesday - 23:23 12/14/99, EST Angry De La Hoya to Return to Garden NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oscar De La Hoya returns to Madison Square Garden without a title but with plenty to prove when he takes on welterweight contender Derrell ``Too Sweet'' Coley on February 26. De La Hoya is coming off his first career defeat a contentious majority decision awarded to Felix Trinidad last September in Las Vegas after De La Hoya danced away the last three rounds thinking he was far ahead in the scoring. ``I'm going to come out with a different style,'' vowed De La Hoya, who said he was ``programmed'' during training to stay up on his toes and box the dangerous Trinidad. ``You cannot let these judges juggle your career around. ``You have to come out and be very, very aggressive. I'm going to come out with such anger ... I'm really looking forward to it.'' The 26-year-old De La Hoya, who relinquished his World Boxing Council title to Trinidad, thought he was safely ahead after putting on a boxing clinic against the Puerto Rican International Boxing Federation champion. But after running away from Trinidad in the final rounds, American judge Jerry Roth scored it 115-113 for Trinidad and fellow-American Glen Hamada had it 114-114. Bob Logist of Belgium scored it 115-114 for Trinidad. De La Hoya, whose record fell to 31-1, said he still believes he won his bout with Trinidad despite admitting that he lost the last three rounds. ``Every time I watch that fight I gave myself another round,'' he said. The Mexican-American said he is convinced he could have knocked out Trinidad and longs for a chance to recapture his title. In the meantime, De La Hoya says he will go back to more base instincts when he goes against the 29-year-old Coley, 34-1-2, in the 12-round, WBC welterweight eliminator. Coley's only defeat was a controversial split decision to Oba Carr in 1995. ``No more boxing on my toes and this and that,'' said the handsome boxer. ``But it's very sad that a lot of people don't really appreciate that skill anymore of boxing. But, hey, if I have to please the fans and please the people then I'm going to go out and go back to my old style and duke it out.'' The Garden card will also feature a junior welterweight match between Arturo Gatti (30-4-0) and Joey Gamache (55-3-0)."}, {"response": 181, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (00:03)", "body": "John: Coley is a worthy opponent--an excellent puncher with decent defensive skills, but if De La Hoya remembers who he is and how he got to be champ in the first place (and it wasn't by sticking and moving), he'll win an exciting bout."}, {"response": 182, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (00:46)", "body": "What's the HBO schedule for these fights, are they going to be carried on HBO?"}, {"response": 183, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (12:25)", "body": "Don't know, but I will ask the resident boxing wizard. I am pretty sure he will know"}, {"response": 184, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (19:05)", "body": "Wednesday - 19:24 12/15/99, EST Sweden to Review 30-Year-Old Boxing Ban STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - The Swedish government is to review a 30-year-old law that bans professional boxing, a senior government official told Reuters on Wednesday. The government has decided to reconsider the ban because it feels it has become illogical given the increasing popularity of other fighting sports that are not prohibited, said Ursula Berge, a political adviser to the minister for sport. Borderline sports such as Ultimate Fighting Championships and No Holds Barred, which have minimal rules and are less regulated than boxing, are not banned in Sweden. ``The law as it stands today only prohibits professional boxing and that is not logical. We have to decide what is legal and what is illegal in our society regardless of what sport it is in,'' Berge said. Sweden banned professional but not amateur boxing in 1969, saying the sport was medically unsafe, prone to unsound economic practices and ethically flawed. ``It is not right that someone can gain an economic advantage by fighting someone else,'' Berge said. The sports ministry recently asked Sweden's sports umbrella body to look into fighting sports in relation to the boxing legislation. ``The umbrella body was of the opinion that, in the light of the evolution of other martial arts, the boxing law should be reviewed,'' Berge said, adding the ban could be widened to include other sports or completely repealed. ``We are going to have a hearing in February where all the different parts of sporting society doctors, boxers and organizations can discuss the issues,'' she said. ``We have no view as to what the outcome of these discussions should be,'' Berge added. Condemnation of the law by Swedish boxers who are forced to compete abroad and a number of high-profile fights involving Swedish boxers had brought the boxing ban to the government's attention. Last month Sweden's Armand Krajnc became the World Boxing Organization middleweight champion while Paolo Roberto, another Swedish boxer and chat show host, failed in a bid to win the World Boxing Council super-welterweight title in September."}, {"response": 185, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec 19, 1999 (14:10)", "body": "Austin Keeps IBF Bantamweight Crown With Knockout TUNICA, Miss. (Reuters) - Tim Austin needed less than two minutes to retain his International Boxing Federation bantamweight title Saturday as the American knocked out Bernardo Mendoza of Chile in the first round. Austin, 28, successfully defended his title for the fourth time by stopping the IBF's number one contender just 1:49 into the fight at the Grand Casino. Austin, known as ``The Cincinnati Kid,'' dropped Mendoza to the canvas midway through the opening round. He then caught the Chilean with a solid right hand that ended the bout moments after the challenger had gotten to his feet. The champion, who had not fought since March 27 when he stopped Mexican Sergio Aguila in Miami, improved to 20-0-1 with 19 fights ending inside the distance. A pair of American heavyweights looking to resurrect their careers also won easily on the undercard. Oliver McCall, who defeated world heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis for the World Boxing Council title in 1994, stopped Wil Hinton in just 77 seconds. McCall (34-7) posted his sixth consecutive victory since suffering an emotional breakdown in the ring during his 1997 rematch with Lewis. He knocked Hinton down with a stiff jab before referee Elmo Adolph ruled that Hinton could not continue. Former World Boxing Organization champion Ray Mercer (26-4-1) needed just 43 seconds to knock out Jim Haynes."}, {"response": 186, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (19:31)", "body": "Boxer Andrew Golota Cited in Fatal Iowa Car Crash DAVENPORT, Iowa (Reuters) - Polish-born boxer Andrew Golota was slightly injured while his trainer was killed on Monday when the car Golota was driving crossed a highway and was struck head-on by a truck, police said. The early morning accident, which may have been caused by icy road conditions, killed Tadeusz Godlewki, 49, while leaving Golota, 31, relatively unscathed, a Davenport police spokesman said. Golota (34-4) was ticketed for failing to control the vehicle, a Mercedes-Benz, but the police spokesman said there was no sign that he had fallen asleep. Golota achieved a measure of boxing infamy when twice in 1996 he was disqualified for low blows in fights against former heavyweight champion Riddick Bowe. Yet Golota, who was born in Warsaw but moved to Chicago and now lives in Jersey City, New Jersey, was still considered a box office draw, in part because he is white. In his last fight, Golota went up against highly-touted Michael Grant in November. But once again Golota imploded. Golota had knocked Grant down twice in the first round and was thoroughly thrashing him for most of the bout. But after getting knocked down briefly in the 10th round Golota quit."}, {"response": 187, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jan  1, 2000 (20:40)", "body": "Hawaii team leaving for Olympic boxing qualification bouts Star-Bulletin staff The 2000 Hawaii Boxing Team, headed by undefeated Samson Guillermo from Waianae, will leave next Friday for the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, Colo. The 11-member team will compete from Jan. 10-15 with the top two medalists in each division receiving automatic berths into the February's Olympic Trials. The team members include Guillermo, a two-time national and world junior Olympic champion at 112 pounds. The Waianae Boxing Club representative will put his 34-0 record on the line as he steps up to the open (17-34 year-old) age group. Other members are: Tony Rodrigues, 119, Wailuku B.C.; Lyndon Patricio, 125, Waianae B.C.; Shirrod Victoria, 132, Kalakaua B.C.,; and Kili Madrid, 139, Wailuku B.C. Also, Jason Tomlin, 147, Valentinos B.C.; Clay Lewis, 156, Kakaako B.C.; Tyson Lee, 165, Kalakaua B.C.; Tommy Pestana, 178, Waianae B.C.; Jose Ortiz, 201, Wahiawa B.C.; and Tuese AhKiong, 201-plus, Hawaii Warriors, B.C. The team manager is Bruce Kawano. The assistant coaches are Jeff McKee and Todd Bristowe."}, {"response": 188, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan  4, 2000 (19:49)", "body": "Lewis/Grant Eyed for Madison Square Garden in April NEW YORK (Reuters) - Undisputed heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis likely will defend his title for the first time against Michael Grant in Madison Square Garden in April, a spokesman for Lewis's U.S. promoter said Tuesday. ``They're talking as we speak and hopefully they can wrap the deal up as soon as possible,'' said Main Events spokesman Donald Tremblay. ``Both sides are eager for the fight to be made.'' Tremblay said Main Events and Lewis's British-based promoter Panix Promotions are negotiating with HBO's pay-per-view arm TVKO for the April 29 fight. One source close to the talks said the American would receive $3-4 million and Lewis would get $10 million for his first fight since becoming undisputed champion by beating Evander Holyfield on a unanimous decision last November. Based on his last fight Grant would likely be a substantial underdog against the Briton. Grant was taking a beating from Andrew Golota for most of their Nov. 20 fight, getting knocked down twice. In round 10, Grant knocked down Golota, who bounced up at the count of two apparently not at all seriously hurt. But when the referee routinely asked him if he wanted to continue, the Polish-born Golota quit. Lewis (35-1-1) would return to Madison Square Garden after his controversial draw there with Holyfield March 13, a bout clearly dominated by the only British fighter to hold the undisputed heavyweight title in the 20th century. At 6-6 Lewis will be shorter than the 6-7 Grant, who is 31-0."}, {"response": 189, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jan 12, 2000 (22:12)", "body": "Promoter Says Tyson Flying to Britain on Sunday LONDON (Reuters) - Boxer Mike Tyson will fly to Britain for this month's big fight against British heavyweight champion Julius Francis despite warnings he might be denied entry, promoter Frank Warren said Wednesday. He said the American would only cancel his travel plans if British authorities say once and for all that Tyson's criminal record stood in the way of entry."}, {"response": 190, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 13, 2000 (16:00)", "body": "UK Hopes to Rule on Mike Tyson Before He Flies LONDON (Reuters) - The British government denied on Thursday that one immigration officer will have to square up to fearsome boxer Mike Tyson Sunday and possibly boot him out of the country. ``There is no question of whoever happens to be on the desk Sunday night...having to decide on this,'' Prime Minister Tony Blair's official spokesman told reporters. Britain's immigration service union reacted angrily to reports one of its officers at London's Heathrow Airport would be left alone to decide whether the former world heavyweight boxing champion can enter the country for a fight. The volatile American has confirmed he will arrive at Heathrow Sunday despite warnings from the British government that his previous convictions would normally bar a foreign citizen from entering Britain. He is due to fight British heavyweight champion Julius Francis on January 29 in Manchester after training in London. ``Everybody would think it is sensible to get this sorted before Tyson flies,'' Blair's spokesman said. He said boxing promoter Frank Warren had handed in a 67-page submission which officials were considering. But he insisted that it remained a matter for the Immigration Service and one that government ministers would not interfere in. HOME OFFICE GOES MISSING, IMMIGRATION OFFICIAL SAYS John Tincey, of the Immigration Service Union, said it was crazy that an official in the glare of the world's media -- may have no choice but to refuse the 34-year-old boxer entry. ``It reflects the way the Home Office has generally collapsed into a state of leaderlessness at the moment,'' he told BBC radio. ``We're faced with a no-win situation. If you send him back you make boxing fans unhappy. Let him in the country and you'll make people who follow anti-rape groups and some aspiring politicians very unhappy. ``That's possibly why people in the senior offices of the Home Office are seeking not to be in their offices at the moment.'' Tyson was convicted of rape in the United States in 1992 and sentenced to six years in jail. He then served another term for an attack on two middle-aged motorists and was freed eight months ago. British rules state that anyone convicted of a crime which carries a sentence of 12 months or more in Britain should not be allowed into the country unless they could demonstrate ``strong compassionate reasons'' to do so. Tyson told reporters the prospect of him being barred from Britain were ``preposterous and it just couldn't happen. I'm hated worldwide, not by the common people but by the authoritarians.'' Although the fight was scheduled weeks ago, it was only on Tuesday that the Home Office stunned boxing fans by saying it was still weighing up his desire to enter Britain. Warren's argument is believed to center on the thousands of tickets sold for the fight and money invested in the bout."}, {"response": 191, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 13, 2000 (20:37)", "body": "From John Burnett regarding the above post So much for the fabled British organizational skills and stiff upper lip. Sadly, I think they should let him in. This fight has been scheduled and hyped for months, tickets sold, and they are trying to bar the door at this late date. I never thought I would be siding with Mike. I'm not opposed, however, to have him under 24-hour-a-day \"house arrest\" or \"armed guard\" designed to protect not Mike, but the local citizenry. Unfortunately, Bobbies don't carry guns. This sounds like a job for Bond--James Bond."}, {"response": 192, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 13, 2000 (21:54)", "body": "From the BBC US heavyweight Mike Tyson will be allowed to enter the UK despite his rape conviction, the Home Office has said. Home Secretary Jack Straw made the decision because of the \"exceptional circumstances\" of the case and the huge sums at stake. The move comes after fears of a high-profile stand-off with the duty immigration officer at Heathrow airport when Tyson arrives in London on Sunday for a fight. The government stepped in after criticism by immigration officials that it had failed to take a leading role and use its discretion to end the confusion. Mr Straw said: \"It would be invidious for an individual immigration officer to weigh the competing considerations involved. \"I have looked very carefully at the representations that have been submitted today to the Immigration Service by Mr Frank Warren and I consider that there are exceptional circumstances that justify my decision.\" Mr Warren, the fight's promoter, had handed over a 67-page dossier arguing for Tyson to be allowed to enter the UK. Mr Straw said the cancellation of Tyson's bout with Julius Francis in Manchester on 29 January could have a potentially devastating effect on businesses providing services for the fight. 'Disappointment' He added: \"I have also taken account of the effect on business in the Manchester area and of the inconvenience and disappointment of the many thousand members of the public who have purchased tickets for the fight.\" Mr Straw said he was not satisfied that the rules on people with criminal convictions entering the UK had been applied consistently in the past, and they would now be reviewed. At present under British law, anyone who has committed a crime abroad that would carry a 12-month sentence in the UK cannot enter the country unless there are \"compassionate reasons\". Tyson was convicted of rape in the United States in 1992 and sentenced to six years in jail. The decision ends days of confusion over who could make the decision on Tyson's entry. 'Hated worldwide' On Tuesday, Downing Street said the decision was solely for the immigration service - a position reinforced by Mr Straw on Thursday. But hours later, UK Prime Minister Tony Blair's spokesman said a decision would after all be made at the Home Office before the boxer's arrival. Tyson had described the prospect of him being barred from the UK as \"preposterous\", adding: \"I'm hated worldwide, not by the common people but by the authoritarians.\" The news was welcomed by Mr Warren, who said the saga had been \"unnecessary and embarrassing\". Julius Francis' manager, Frank Maloney, said the confusion could have been avoided \"if politicians had not tried to score brownie points\". Tyson will be allowed to stay in the UK until 30 January."}, {"response": 193, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (19:08)", "body": "Norris Files Complaint Against Tyson Over Rematch NEW YORK (Reuters) - Attorneys for heavyweight boxer Orlin Norris have filed a complaint against former champion Mike Tyson, accusing him of reneging on a promise for a rematch worth $2 million to Norris. Tyson's October bout with Tyson was stopped and ruled a no-contest after the first round when Tyson knocked down his opponent well after the bell and Norris, with a swollen knee, refused to come out for the second round. The referee said the punch was unintentional. In papers filed in Manhattan Supreme Court, Norris's attorney Judd Burstein said that Tyson's manager, Shelly Finkel, had agreed that Tyson's next match would be against Norris if Norris publicly exonerated Tyson for the incident. ``Finkel informed me that he was very concerned that Mr. Tyson would be suspended or barred by the (Nevada State Athletic Commission) if Mr. Norris expressed a public view that the foul had been intentional,'' the complaint quotes Norris's manager Scott Woodworth as saying in a sworn affidavit. ``And that if Mr. Norris made the requested public statement, Mr. Norris would be granted an immediate rematch ... in December of 1999 or January of 2000,'' Woodworth said. Tyson is scheduled to fight journeyman Julius Francis on Saturday in Manchester, Britain. The complaint seeks a restraining order requiring Showtime, America Presents and Finkel to withhold payment of $2 million of Tyson's purse from Saturday's bout pending the hearing of the motion. A spokesman for Tyson in New York, Peter Seligman, said Tuesday ``there is absolutely no merit to this lawsuit,'' and pointed out that Tyson's lawyers filed a complaint in Las Vegas Friday seeking a ruling that he had no such oral agreement. The contract for Norris's Oct. 23 bout with Tyson provided Norris with a purse of $800,000, and a clause that he would receive a purse of $2 million in the event of a rematch, Norris's representatives said. They said that on the morning after the aborted bout, Finkel again requested a public statement by Norris exonerating Tyson. ``Finkel also stated unequivocally that he had secured the approval for a Tyson-Norris rematch from Mr. Tyson, America Presents Inc., Mr. Tyson's exclusive promoter, and Showtime Networks Inc.'' which has the television rights to Tyson bouts. Norris spoke to the press Oct. 24, saying he believed the foul ``to have been unintentional,'' according to the complaint. ``The defendants broke their word and contracted Tyson to another boxer,'' it said. ``Plainly Tyson is afraid to fight Norris,'' Bernstein said. ``He prefers to fight only those fights he feels sure he can win. At the rate he is going, his next opponent will be (teen pop singer) Brittany Spears.'' The NSAC ultimately ruled that Tyson could keep his $8.8 million purse from the one-round Norris bout, but one member said the controversial fighter ``should pack his bags and not fight in Las Vegas in the future.'' The commission also warned that Tyson's action would come under further scrutiny upon his bid to renew his Nevada boxing license."}, {"response": 194, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (20:39)", "body": "Tyson in Mood to 'Kill' Francis LONDON (Reuters) - Mike Tyson is in the mood to ``kill'' Briton Julius Francis when they clash in a non-title heavyweight bout in Manchester Saturday. ``I think I'm going to kill Julius Francis. I'm ready for this fight and I want it bad,'' the former undisputed world champion said Tuesday. Tyson made his prediction on Sky Sports television, whose interviewer suggested the American meant he intended to knock his opponent out rather than kill him. ``Well, I hope he gets up if he gets knocked out,'' Tyson responded. ``But that's just the motivation I have. I just want to fight and do well.'' The controversial Tyson there were attempts to stop him coming to Britain because he had a rape conviction in the United States tried to explain that the boxer and the man were two different people. ``To my wife and children I'm Mike and daddy, but I'm Tyson here, just a freak who generates a ton of money. ``Collectively, the only thing people care about is the Tyson who is going to put on this freakshow in Manchester. No one cares about Michael personally. Where I come from I'm the piece of gum on the bottom of your shoe.'' The American has a poor recent record but pronounced himself to be ``in great shape, doing better than ever.'' Tyson agreed with the interviewer's suggestion he seemed more relaxed in England than at home. ``Your guys treat me with kid gloves compared to what they do over in the United States,'' the boxer said. ACCUSTOMED ``There's almost been a witch-hunt against me back home but I've become so accustomed to it that it doesn't affect me any more,'' Tyson said. ``I've lost all my sensitivity about being embarrassed, about being shy. When you have something in life that you want to accomplish greatly you have to be willing to give up your happiness. ``I've made a lot of mistakes in my life and hopefully I won't make as many as drastically as I did in my youth. I don't know if I'm any different now but I'm more aware and I wasn't aware as a kid of 19 with a ton of money in my pocket.'' Asked about a likely meeting with Britain's undisputed world champion Lennox Lewis, Tyson said: ``When I do meet Lewis I will knock him out. I'm better, I'm at the top of my game.'' Tyson felt such a meeting might not be too far ahead. ''Maybe at the end of the year, three or four more fights.'' The American was less certain about how long his career in the ring would continue. ``Sometimes I wake up and I want to stop tomorrow and sometimes I wake up and I want to go on for 20 more years. It depends on what kind of frame of mind I'm in,'' he said. Of his place in boxing history, Tyson said: ``The only thing that matters to me is that my peers know where I belong. ``I don't care what the trainers say about me because they never took a punch in their life.''"}, {"response": 195, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Feb  8, 2000 (19:13)", "body": "Promoter Discussing More Tyson Fights in Europe LONDON (Reuters) - Promoter Frank Warren is negotiating to bring former world heavyweight champion Mike Tyson back to Europe for more fights. A spokesman for Warren said the Briton was in New York on Tuesday discussing arrangements with the boxer's manager, Shelly Finkel, and Jay Larkin, the head of the Showtime cable television network. British newspapers have suggested Warren is trying to line up an April 8 fight in the Italian city of Milan as well as what would be a controversial return to Britain in the summer at Cardiff's Millennium stadium. Tyson demolished British champion Julius Francis in a Warren-promoted fight in Manchester last month after the failure of attempts to keep the U.S. boxer out of the country because of his 1992 conviction for rape. Denmark and France have also been mentioned as possible venues for future Tyson fights. The boxer has a big fan base in Europe and his Manchester fight was sold out in two days. Tyson is scheduled to fight American Lou Savarese next in New Jersey on March 25 but the Guardian newspaper said on Tuesday that fight was likely to be shelved."}, {"response": 196, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Feb  8, 2000 (19:18)", "body": "Oh yeah, Tyson won the last fight...sorry (for those who did not hear...)"}, {"response": 197, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (11:38)", "body": "Viloria wins U.S. Olympic Team Trials Star-Bulletin staff Waipahu's Brian Viloria won the light flyweight/106-pound division title in the U.S. Olympic Team Trials in Tampa, Fla., on Saturday, with an 8-6 decision over Nonito Donaire of San Leandro, Calif. The 19-year-old Viloria, who captured the world amateur title last summer in Houston with a victory over 1996 gold medalist Maikro Romero of Cuba, is the favorite for the gold medal this summer in Sydney. Hawaii has not had a boxer in the Olympics since flyweight Ray Perez and bantamweight Choken Maekawa qualified for Melbourne 43 years ago. Viloria, who stands 5-foot-4, waged a close battle with Donaire throughout the Olympic Team Trials bout. He never got more than a two-point lead on his opponent. Viloria opened the fight peppering Donaire, trying to nail him with his left hook at the end of combinations. Donaire countered and waited for Viloria to make a mistake. Viloria trains on the campus of Northern Michigan at the USA Boxing Olympic Education Center in Marquette, Mich. His record is 26-2 since the beginning of 1999. Besides the world amateur title, Viloria last year won American titles at the National Golden Gloves, the National Amateur Boxing Championships and the U.S. Challenge, and he defeated China's national champion at the Multi-Nation Festival of Amateur Boxing (Liverpool, England)."}, {"response": 198, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (15:19)", "body": "HBO's KO targets new boxing fans NEW YORK (Variety) - HBO is trying to woo younger viewers ringside with ``KO Nation,'' a new Saturday afternoon boxing series hosted by former MTV personality Ed Lover. Oscar De La Hoya will serve as an expert analyst for the program, which will debut May 6. Created expressly to attract a new generation to boxing, ``KO Nation'' will feature cutting-edge music and dancers. The show, which will match up prizefighters from virtually every weight division, will tape at various venues, including college campuses. ``Today's boxing audience is predominantly made up of men 50-plus. 'KO Nation' will be formatted with an innovative and contemporary production style, developed to appeal to younger viewers,'' said Time Warner Sports president and CEO Seth Abraham. In addition to hosting ``KO,'' Lover best known as the former co-host of MTV's ``Yo! MTV Raps'' will also serve as the ring announcer. Fran Charles, sports anchor at New York's WNBC, will call the blow-by-blow action and Julie Lederman, daughter of HBO's ``World Championship Boxing'' judge Harold Lederman, will serve as the unofficial ringside scorer."}, {"response": 199, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (20:32)", "body": "Former Boxing Champion Bowe Faces Sentencing CHARLOTTE, N.C. (Reuters) - Brain damage inflicted on world former heavyweight boxing champion Riddick Bowe from years in the ring was a factor in his decision to kidnap his estranged wife and children as he sought to reconcile his marriage, his psychiatrist said in court on Monday. Bowe, 32, who pleaded guilty to the February 1998 kidnapping, suffers from injuries to the frontal lobe of his brain that leave him impulsive and unable to think things out clearly, psychiatrist Neil Blumberg testified at the boxer's sentencing hearing in a Charlotte federal court. ``I think that it directly led to the behavior in question,'' Blumberg said. ``I think that these conditions directly contributed to his involvement in these offenses.'' According to prosecutors, Bowe kidnapped his estranged wife Judy Bowe and their children from their home in Cornelius, North Carolina, north of Charlotte, to take them to his home in Maryland in hopes of reconciling with his wife. He was arrested in Virginia after his wife, using Bowe's cell phone, called for help at a McDonald's restaurant. Bowe had brought along a knife, hand cuffs, pepper spray and duct tape, but witnesses said he never intended to harm his family. Instead, Blumberg said, he would have used them to subdue any men he might have found at his wife's home. Although Bowe has signed a plea agreement calling for an 18-month to 24-month prison term, U.S. District Court Judge Graham Mullen agreed to hear testimony on Bowe's mental state from the boxer's former manager and psychiatrists before handing down a sentence. Judy Bowe, who is divorcing the boxer, did not appear at the hearing. Blumberg testified she had told him she did not want Bowe sentenced to jail, but instead believed he needs counseling. Bowe defeated Evander Holyfield in November 1992 to win the undisputed world heavyweight title, but lost to Holyfield a year later. He retired after a brutal fight in December 1996 with Andrew Golota, who was ahead on points but was disqualified for punching below the belt. ``He took a severe pounding,'' longtime manager Eugene ''Rock'' Newman said, adding that he grew increasingly concerned about Bowe's inability to think rationally over the years. In 1997, Bowe lived out a lifelong dream by joining the Marine Corps, but left basic training after 10 days, saying he could not take the loss of control over his life. Blumberg said that as recently as last week, Bowe remained preoccupied with joining the Marines, and for the past two months he had been in training to resume his boxing career. ``He has this tendency, when he latches on to something, to just stick with it,'' Blumberg said. Mullen was expected to hand down a sentence on Tuesday."}, {"response": 200, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (17:06)", "body": "Reid, Trinidad Put Undefeated Ring Records on Line LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - Undefeated David Reid of the United States defends his World Boxing Association super welterweight championship against unbeaten former World Boxing Council and International Boxing Federation welterweight champ Felix Trinidad of Puerto Rico on Friday. A non-sellout crowd of about 10,000 is expected to attend the 154-pound title bout scheduled for 12 rounds in a temporary outdoor arena at Caesars Palace. The reason for the anticipated turnout could have something to do with the unseasonably damp, cool and blustery weather forecast. Or it could be that the fight does not have the allure of Trinidad's recent outing against Oscar De La Hoya at least not to people who are not true boxing aficionados. But the unheralded Reid has a relatively good chance to upset Trinidad, who is considered by many, pound-for-pound, one of the top three fighters in the world today. Las Vegas oddsmakers make Trinidad only a 2 3/4-to-1 favorite, although that is up from the 2 1/4-to-1 pick he was earlier this week. ``I have all the tools to win,'' said the 26-year-old Reid, who has a record of 14-0 with seven bouts ending early and is making his third defense of the crown he won last March. ``I'm too fast, I hit too hard and I'm stronger than Trinidad. But I really think my hand speed will decide the fight. That's why I'm confident.'' Reid has vacillated between predicting a win by knockout and victory by decision. ``If I do my job there won't be a decision. I will knock him out,'' he has said. But on another occasion he said, apparently with equal conviction, ``If I were a betting man, I'd bet me to win by decision.'' ``We have to come to fight,'' said Reid's long-time manager-trainer, Al Mitchell. ``We have to get in there and fight Trinidad. If David stays disciplined and focused it's an easy win. If he doesn't, then it's going to be a long night.'' Reid may be the quicker of the two, but to answer the question of who is the stronger, harder hitter. Trinidad need only point out that 30 of his 36 fights have ended early. ``I don't know how David Reid plans to fight me,'' the 27-year-old Puerto Rican said, ``but I'll be more than happy to slug with him. Bring it to me.'' Trinidad has experience, superb boxing skills and the best right hand in the division. He had made 11 defenses of his IBF welterweight championship before Reid, a gold medal winner at 156 pounds at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, turned pro during 1997. Trinidad is taking a considerable risk by fighting Reid. If Trinidad loses the fight, he also loses his opportunity to meet De La Hoya here June 10 in a rematch that guarantees the Puerto Rican an eight-figure payday. ``If I overlooked David Reid, I wouldn't be doing my job,'' says Trinidad, who is believed to be receiving $3.5 million for this fight compared to $1.625 for the champion. ``This is a very important fight and I'm taking it very seriously.'' ``Forget about De La Hoya,'' said Trinidad's trainer and father, Don Felix. ``He has to worry about David Reid, because this is an important fight with a big risk.'' While Trinidad defeated and dethroned De La Hoya, then the WBC welterweight champion, last September, it was not his typical, stellar performance. Trinidad displayed neither his usual craftsmanship nor aggression. He had difficulty cutting off the ring and seemed more tentative than he had in years while taking a close and controversial decision. ``Felix is a good fighter,'' said Reid, who himself was knocked down by three of his past four foes. ``But Oscar exposed him. Oscar proved that he has trouble with speed. Felix comes straight in to wear you down. ``So I have to make him go backwards, and there's only one way to do that. You hit him when he comes in. I won't run from him like Oscar did. I'm going to make him respect my quickness.'' Said Trinidad: ``I'm ready for someone who I think is going to be very good and very difficult to beat. But he has something I want. That title will be mine, that's for sure.''"}, {"response": 201, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  2, 2000 (17:53)", "body": "When asked about the fight, John volunteered: This should be a very good fight. I would not venture a prediction except to say that it would be fun to watch."}, {"response": 202, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Mar  3, 2000 (22:53)", "body": "WBA May Strip Lewis of Title NEW YORK (Reuters) - The World Boxing Association (WBA) will hold a meeting Monday to decide whether to strip undisputed heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis of its version of the title. The WBA, according to one of Lewis' lawyers, says Lewis must fight its number-one contender Johnny Ruiz as a WBA mandatory defense before fighting Michael Grant as scheduled in April. Lewis won the undisputed championship last November when he outpointed Evander Holyfield in a rematch of their highly-controversial draw of a year earlier. Pat English, a lawyer representing Lewis' U.S. promoter Main Events, said Friday he will strongly object to the WBA's position at Monday's meeting in Philadelphia. English said Main Events had been told before Lewis-Holyfield II that their second fight would be considered a mandatory bout by all three of the chief sanctioning groups the WBA, World Boxing Council (WBC) and the International Boxing Federation (IBF). Usually a champion has 12 months to defend his title against the number-one contender, unless an agreement is reached for a dispensation. English said he was informed of the agreement to make Lewis-Holyfield II the mandatory by all three groups by Frank Maloney, one of Lewis' managers. English said WBC President Jose Sulaiman told Maloney of the agreement and that Main Events proceeded with the bout under that assumption, although there was no official notification that the WBA had come to such an agreement."}, {"response": 203, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Mar  3, 2000 (22:55)", "body": "I asked John for his opinion on the article and he referred me to Honest Howie's rankings with the this comment: Here's the only rankings worth the money paid for them, because they were paid for by legal gamblers, not by sleazy managers looking to get their fighters a championship shot they don't deserve. Honest Howie's Top Ten: and not a Johnny Ruiz in the bunch. The only name fighter Ruiz has beaten is Tony Tucker, an over-the-hill blown up light heavyweight in 1998. Every one of the alphabet soup sanctioning \"organizations\" (more like \"syndicates\") is crooked. Honest Howie's Rankings Heavyweight Division Champion - LENNOX LEWIS 1. Ike Ibeabuchi 2. David Tua 3. Michael Grant 4. Andrew Golota 5. Oleg Maskaev 6. Hasim Rahman 7. Chris Byrd 8. Kirk Johnson 9. Evander Holyfield 10. Mike Tyson"}, {"response": 204, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (03:36)", "body": "Ask John why Ike is number one, what has this guy got going for him?"}, {"response": 205, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (11:55)", "body": "I emailed him with you question Ayala to Defend WBA Bantamweight Title LAS VEGAS (Reuters) - Paulie Ayala returns to the site of his biggest victory when he defends his WBA bantamweight title against once-beaten contender Johnny Bredahl of Denmark on Saturday night at the Mandalay Bay Events Center. Also on the card, Nestor Garza of Mexico risks his WBA super bantamweight strap against Clarence ``Bones'' Adams. Ayala (29-1, 12 KOs) rose from anonymity to stardom as he battled toe-to-toe over 12 grueling rounds with two-time division champion Johnny Tapia in June. In the thrilling war, Ayala handed Tapia his first loss as he took a razor-thin unanimous decision and won the WBA 118-pound title. Ayala returned to his hometown of Fort Worth, Texas for his first title defense and kept his belt with a hard-fought victory over durable mandatory challenger Saohin Condo of Thailand. The 29-year-old later was honored by Ring Magazine as Fighter of the Year and his memorable bout against Tapia earned Fight of the Year. Bredahl (45-1, 23 KOs), the reigning European bantamweight champion, will be looking to make the most of his second chance at a world title. In 1995, he traveled to Ireland and was stopped in the eighth round by local favorite Wayne McCullough, then the WBC bantamweight champion. In the 122-pound title fight, Garza will be hard-pressed by Adams. The once-beaten Garza (37-1, 29 KOs) won the title in a grueling battle with countryman Enrique Sanchez on December 12, 1998. He survived a first-round knockdown, dropped Sanchez in the third and slugged his way to a bloody unanimous decision. Both of Garza's title defenses have come by knockout. In his last title defense in November, Garza traveled to Japan and stopped local favorite Kozo Ishii in the 12th round. Adams has won 14 straight fights to run his record to 38-3-3 with 18 knockouts. He is ranked 11th by the WBA in the 122-pound division. The bouts will be televised by TVKO on pay-per-view beginning at 9:00 p.m. EST."}, {"response": 206, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (00:09)", "body": "John's answer about Ike (per Terry's question): Ike is the guy nobody wants to fight. He's 6'2\", 245 pounds, thickly muscled with power and excellent speed for that size. He throws far more punches than most guys that weight and they are punches with bad intentions. He has beaten the strong and talented David Tua and has knocked out the elusive Chris Byrd. Although I think Michael Grant has even better physical tools, right now nobody has put them together like Ike (with the exception, of course, of Lewis, who is effective but uninspiring). Lewis's people do not want him to meet Ike (that should tell you something). They know that a fight with Ruiz is not going to do them any good--win or lose--but they would rather face Tyson, because they know he can guarantee a crowd and a big payday, and because--outside of a lucky punch--he is not likely to put together the type of fight it takes to defeat a specimen like Lewis if it lasts the distance."}, {"response": 207, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (10:18)", "body": "Lewis Will Shun WBA If Stripped of Title LONDON (Reuters) - Undisputed champion Lennox Lewis will never again fight for a WBA belt if the body strips him of their version of the world heavyweight title on Monday, his promoter Panos Eliades warned on Sunday. ``If he's stripped tomorrow then obviously we won't be fighting for the WBA (World Boxing Association) ever again,'' Eliades told BBC radio. He said he was not optimistic and that the Briton was prepared for the worst. ``My gut feeling is that he will be stripped but I hope that they actually prevail and do the right thing.'' Eliades said that if the WBA decided to take back the title ''there will be an almighty publicity campaign in America and the WBA will also be brought into disrepute.'' The WBA have told Lewis he must fight their number one contender Johnny Ruiz in his next mandatory defense before any other fight and have called a hearing in Philadelphia on Monday to decide what action to take next. Lewis is already scheduled to meet Michael Grant at New York's Madison Square Garden on April 29. Eliades warned that the FBI, probing alleged corruption within the International Boxing Federation (IBF), were sending two agents to the WBA meeting. ``They think they should be there to see what's going on...I think the FBI will want to look closely at the WBA now and see what they are going to do tomorrow,'' he said. LEWIS PREPARED TO FIGHT RUIZ Eliades said Lewis was willing to fight Ruiz but only after the Grant fight was out of the way. ``We are putting toward the WBA the case that they have to be sensible, boxing needs them to actually be seen to be doing justice,'' he said. ``Lennox chose to fight Michael Grant because there was no available contender for the WBA. ``We will fight Ruiz after Grant and they've got to do the right thing by boxing.'' Lewis took the undisputed heavyweight title in Las Vegas last November when he outpointed Evander Holyfield in a rematch of a controversial draw a year earlier. That fight gave him the American's WBA and IBF belts in addition to his own WBC version. Lewis had immediate problems with the IBF, who initially withheld their belt in a controversy over a $300,000 sanctioning fee for the fight and declared the IBF title vacant. An agreement was worked out between Lewis's lawyers and the IBF, whose president Bob Lee is facing charges of taking bribes to fix world rankings and secure bouts. Lee and three other defendants say they are innocent of charges. Eliades said he was concerned that the influence of Don King, who promotes Ruiz and who he said had taken legal action against him over the WBA affair, might prevent any agreement being reached to enable Lewis to keep the belt. ``What worries me is that there are two very strong associates of Don King that are sitting on the council tomorrow,'' he said. ``It doesn't suit the WBA or Don King for Lennox to have the belts.''"}, {"response": 208, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar  6, 2000 (23:00)", "body": "WBA Could Decide to Strip Lewis This Week PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Lennox Lewis could learn this week whether the World Boxing Association (WBA) will strip him of its version of the heavyweight title, ending his reign as the world's undisputed champion. At a 4-1/2 hour hearing in a hotel ballroom Monday, WBA officials heard testimony from a half-dozen witnesses, including promoter Don King, regarding Lewis's failure to make his next mandatory defense against the association's No. 1 contender, Johnny Ruiz. ``Fight or vacate the crown,'' King, who represents several WBA contenders, said in describing what he claims to be Lewis's only choice under association rules. ``That's what the deal is today, as we speak.'' WBA Championships Committee Chairman Elias Cordova of Panama later said through an interpreter that seven committee members would reach a decision on whether to strip Lewis of its crown ''within a few days.'' If the WBA strips its title from him, Lewis will never fight for a WBA belt again, his promoter Panos Eliades told BBC radio Sunday. ``My gut feeling is that he will be stripped, but I hope that they actually prevail and do the right thing,'' Eliades said. Lewis has held the heavyweight belts from the three major worldwide boxing organizations the WBA, the World Boxing Council (WBC) and the International Boxing Federation (IBF) since capturing the WBA and IBF titles from Evander Holyfield last November. The British fighter has not faced a WBA contender since, but has scheduled an April 29 bout with highly-regarded American Michael Grant at New York's Madison Square Garden as part of a multimillion-dollar deal with cable-TV channel Home Box Office. A Grant representative asked the WBA panel Monday to sanction next month's fight as a WBA title bout. Meanwhile, Lewis attorney Patrick English said the WBA had no legitimate contender until two weeks ago, when Ruiz was elevated to No. 1 status. Backers of former WBA top contender Henry Akinwande have disclosed in a New York lawsuit that the fighter suffers from cirrhosis of the liver as a result of a hepatitis B infection and that he has been taking the drug interferon for six months. The Lewis camp said the champion could fight Ruiz three months after his bout with Grant. ``We've offered to do a Ruiz fight in July. It's the quickest we can do it,'' English told the WBA officials. But Ruiz attorney Anthony Cardinale said if the April Lewis-Grant bout is allowed to go ahead as planned, it would deny his client the championship challenge he deserves under WBA rules should Lewis lose to Grant. ``I plead to the WBA that it would be an honor for me to fight for their belt and I will be a champion for them,'' the Puerto Rican-born Ruiz said."}, {"response": 209, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  9, 2000 (12:25)", "body": "Women's boxing becoming a real joke by Tim Graham (ESPN.com) This is turning into a joke, even by boxing's comical standards. And it doesn't show any indication of improving. Women's boxing of late. (Rim shot here). Only a couple years ago, there was a foundation of legitimacy in women's boxing. Laid by talented ladies like Christy Martin, Lucia Rijker, Sumya Anani and Kathy Collins, the base seemed in place. It wasn't implausible the sport one day might be mentioned in the same breath as basketball or tennis. Now it sadly may have gone past the farcical point of no return. Women's boxing is turning into the most shameless one-on-one athletic combat exhibition since the advent of cockfighting. Compared to women's boxing, American Gladiators is off the respectability chart. Over the weekend, 38-year-old Jacqui Frazier-Lyde, the daughter of Joe Frazier, turned pro. Keeping in mind her father retired when he was 37 because he felt his days were through, Frazier-Lyde showed skill comparable to a preschooler in a playground scuffle. Frazier-Lyde scored an embarrassing first-round technical knockout when her opponent turned her back to avoid some less-than-spectacular punches. As expected, Frazier-Lyde immediately challenged Laila Ali, another boxing novice who happens to have bloodlines of a legend. They probably will make a lot of money for their matchup of mockery. Sadly, it's the only reason they took the sport up. Oh, yeah. The daughters of Archie Moore and Roberto Duran also want to fight. And let's not forget the other cadre of commercialized boxing ladies out there: the sex symbols. Mia St. John is the poster girl for that group. Meanwhile, the respectable talents of Martin, Rijker, Anani, et. al. go unappreciated. \"It's women capitalizing on their father's names or their sexuality and not going out there and doing what some of the other women have done,\" Rijker's manager, Stan Hoffman, says. \"These are women who spent years and years learning their trade like the guys do. These women paid their dues and can seriously fight.\" Martin was the first to prove it to a widespread audience. She started captivating global audiences on Mike Tyson undercards -- usually upstaging the main event -- and she eventually appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated. But what promoters and most fight fans saw wasn't a chance to celebrate women in sports. They saw dollar signs. They had found another way to make money off a woman's body, and fans had discovered a new form of cheap entertainment. Why did Bob Arum forego former client Rijker, inarguably the most talented female fighter in the world, to pick up St. John, a woman who knows more about T&A than TKOs? Because St. John, a woman who will get seriously hurt and probably disfigured if she ever were to fight anyone with talent, was relatively inexpensive and was more marketable with her nude modeling past. Arum, with sexual innuendo and double entendre one-liners at his press conferences, doesn't conceal his reasoning. \"Bob Arum himself said to me, 'People like to see her rear end. That's why they come,' \" Hoffman says. And Arum was financially -- if not morally -- right. St. John appeared on the cover of Playboy last year, an honor that garnered more attention than Martin received for being on SI. Yes, Katarina Witt also appeared on the cover of Playboy and Steffi Graf was featured prominently in SI's swimsuit issue. But they were world-class athletes long before. They didn't need to display themselves for validation, while Arum and St. John must use her body to drive ticket sales. Arum and others of his ilk are selling sex over skill, flesh over athleticism. And in that regard they can be likened to pimps. Promoters easily can be viewed as such when it comes to male boxing, too. But the fact of the matter is, male boxing isn't always a spectacle, while female boxing has turned into nothing more. \"It really disturbs me,\" says Hoffman, who also manages WBA middleweight champion William Joppy, former IBF middleweight and super middleweight champ James Toney and heavyweight contender Hasim Rahman. \"Sexism rears its ugly head.\" There is a beautiful art to behold even when two anonymous men go toe-to-toe in a smoke-filled auditorium. The crowd admires the spirit, the skill, the will not only to win but to survive one more round. Women boxers could be enjoying that same art. And if people think they do, they're only fooling themselves because most are watching not for the appreciation of the sport, but for the titillating amusement. Remember the male vs. female bout in Seattle last year? The dog and the pony must have had the night off. Most people watch only to laugh. Right now, no one's giving us any other reason."}, {"response": 210, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (18:06)", "body": "Send Page Friday - 18:24 03/17/2000, EST Tyson to Box Savarese, Milan Braces for 'Mike Mania' MILAN (Reuters) - Former undisputed world heavyweight champion Mike Tyson will fight American Lou Savarese in Milan May 20 in what promoters vowed Friday would be a more even contest than his four-minute demolition of Julius Francis. ``This is a fight Tyson can't afford to lose,'' said Frank Warren, who promoted Tyson's fight against Britain's Francis in Manchester in January. ``Savarese has a good record and he knows this is a good opportunity to upset the odds. I think Tyson, from what I've seen in the gym and in England, is in top shape. He will continue on his march to regain the world title.'' Warren conceded that Francis ``wasn't the greatest opponent'' for Tyson on his European debut and promised that the encounter with Savarese ``will be a great treat for boxing fans.'' Savarese's record is 39-3 with 32 knockouts. In his last fight in June last year he lost on points to Michael Grant who is challenging Lennox Lewis for the unified world heavyweight titles April 29. Promoters of the Milan fight said they expect a repeat of the ``Mike Mania'' that gripped England ahead of his January fight when Tyson hogged the front and back pages of the British press. WELL-SUITED IN MILAN Tyson insisted that his latest fight be held in Milan so he could spend time shopping at the fashion capital's chic boutiques, said Warren. ``Mike loves Milan and he's really looking forward to coming back here,'' he added. The boxer's Manchester fight was sold out in two days and the 10,000 tickets for his Milan contest, which go on sale next week, are likely to be snapped up just as quickly. Ringside tickets are already being priced at a reported 1,000 pounds ($1,570), twice the cost for his Manchester fight. Tyson has said he would like to return to the United States and fight undisputed champion Lewis, but Warren said his managers would like to have him fight a few more times in Europe first. ``Tyson's return to the U.S. will be decided after this fight,'' he said. Warren said Tyson, who has won 47 of his 51 bouts, would arrive in Italy 10 days before the fight for training. He declined to comment on the purses for the fight, which will be broadcast in 120 countries."}, {"response": 211, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (18:46)", "body": "Viloria can lockck up U.S. Olympic berth this week By Pat Bigold Star-Bulletin Brian Viloria can officially become the first Hawaii athlete to claim an Olympic boxing berth in 43 years this week. Having already won the 106-pound Olympic team trials and a qualifying box-off, all he has to do is finish runner-up at the North American qualifier tournament in Tampa, Fla., which began today. It's an exercise to thin the ranks of the crowded 2000 Sydney Olympics boxing field. Viloria is expected to ease through the test against boxers he's already beaten. While relaxing in his hotel room on Friday, he told the Star-Bulletin that he finally feels like a complete boxer. \"The right hand is coming on and the jabs are coming,\" Viloria said. \"Every combination I throw is crisp, hard punches. \"My body punches are getting stronger. As a boxer, I'm just becoming stronger.\" Viloria has been getting to bed by 10 p.m. and gets up before dawn every day to run five miles. He prefers to have five snacks a day rather than three meals. He is also avoiding sweets and fried foods. And alcohol? Forget it. \"I don't see what satisfaction you get from drinking,\" said Viloria. \"My satisfaction is coming out on top and reaching the goals I set out to reach.\" When he's bored, he goes out to a mall to buy a novel, plays the guitar or writes music. Viloria, who owns a lap-top computer, also taught himself to create his own website. \"But I'm going to study more about HTML and go back to improve it,\" he said. Staying out of trouble has never been a problem for Viloria, whose Olympic journey began a few days after he graduated with honors from Waipahu High in 1998. \"I never had a graduation party,\" he said. He was bound immediately for the nationals. Viloria's travels have taken him all over the world, but last year was his most eventful. He beat Cuba's 1996 gold medalist Maikro Romero for the world amateur title last August in Houston. Viloria won American titles at the National Golden Gloves, the National Amateur Boxing Championships and the U.S. Challenge. He also defeated China's national champion at the Multi-Nation Festival of Amateur Boxing in Liverpool, England). Success hasn't changed Viloria, according to close friend and former sparring partner, Arthur Valeriano. Valeriano met Viloria at Waipahu High and stays in touch with him via email when he's away. \"No matter how good he gets and no matter how many titles he claims, he'll be the same Brian I met in history class,\" Valeriano said. \"The way he presents himself in the ring and outside the ring, there's perfect balance.\" Viloria, a broadcast journalism student at Northern Michigan University, said he likes to meet and converse with students. When he came back to the islands last month after winning the Olympic team box-off in Connecticut, he made visits to local schools, including his alma mater. On a visit to talk with Filipino immigrant youngsters at Radford High, he said one student asked if he gets mad when he's in the ring. It was the right question. \"No, I try to be a controlled fighter rather than a wild, angry fighter,\" Viloria said. \"You have to be cool in the ring, show a poker face. If you hurt somewhere, you can't show it.\" Having already beaten Cuba's best fighter for the world belt, and being the personal student of former U.S. Olympic boxing coach Al Mitchell, Viloria knows his chance of medaling at Sydney is considered golden. But he refuses to get comfortable, not even during the qualifier. \"I know it won't come to me,\" Viloria said. \"I have to just go out there and take it myself.\""}, {"response": 212, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (19:52)", "body": "This is Jon Saraceno's most recent column, originally appearing Monday, Jan. 18 Tyson's win is a 1-punch blunder LAS VEGAS - Just think about this for a moment. The man they used to call \"Iron\" Mike Tyson, the furious little ring toughie who once blasted fighters out of Nevada's 702 area code, almost got his from a heavyweight named Francois. Last time we checked, South Africa was elbow-deep in the diamond business, but it wasn't exactly minting heavyweight champs. Tyson, meanwhile, looks like a worn-out penny in the ring. Nothing against Botha (or his parents), but, seriously, when was the last time you heard a blow-in-your-doors heavyweight named Francois? Sounds like someone who whips up souffl\ufffds at a French bistro in South Beach. Saturday night, he mostly creamed Tyson, until that disastrous fifth round when Botha stuck his chin out and the slugger cracked it like an egg. Before that? Tyson almost made Botha look like what some well-meaning but misinformed South African boxing fans call him: the \"white Muhammad Ali.\" Here was a marginally talented fighter taunting and humiliating the self-destructing ring bully. Hands down, chin out. Smacking and demoralizing the once-indestructible champ. Backing him up. Abusing him. Calling him names. And, all the while, executing the perfect recipe for victory, one first deployed by James \"Buster\" Douglas nearly a decade ago in Tokyo. Jab, move slightly, right hand, hold, smother and frustrate. For a little seasoning, just add a few dirty clubs to Tyson's skull while in clinches. There was Tyson, panicking and desperate. Swinging wildly and bleeding. Doubting himself and everything in his world. Losing the first round, then attempting to break Botha's arm by locking it up and attempting to snap it like a dry twig. An ugly but brief ring melee ensued. Marc Ratner, executive director of the Nevada commission, said, \"It was very scary for me at the end of the first round.\" Tyson lost the second round, then the third. And the fourth. Even the fifth. Well, most of the fifth. Then it was hello, Francois, goodbye chin. Botha couldn't have fallen into a straight hand any cleaner had he choreographed it for the World Wrestling Federation. Tyson's camp knew Botha had a bad habit of dropping his left, and sure enough, he didn't let them down. \"I just walked into a punch,\" he said. \"I really thought it was going to be an easy fight after a while. I just got careless.\" Tyson, meanwhile, has far graver concerns. The heavyweight division is so happy it needs a drool rag. It's open season on Tyson, and don't think the guy doesn't know it. Trainer Tommy Brooks and adviser Shelly Finkel and the fighter tried to cover their tracks to preserve future pay-per-view buys. At the gate, the public appears either suspicious, fed up or both. The crowd of 12,000 included thousands of casino-purchased tickets. Ticket sales were so slow that the MGM Grand ended up dumping 200-plus tickets to employees for $16. Even those who don't know a left hook from a barbed hook can see the Tyson of '99 cannot even imitate the Tyson of '89. \"There was a tremendous amount of rust,\" Tyson said. Rust? He looked corroded. Like a '73 Toyota Corolla. It's not just that his skills have eroded. Tyson was, as he admitted, \"gun-shy.\" His once-unshakable confidence has evaporated. More gym sessions won't return what Tyson has lost forever, the reflex action to fight without having to think about every movement. For a fighter, that's like losing the elasticity in your socks. Once it's gone, it's gone. Then everything falls."}, {"response": 213, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (14:01)", "body": "TYSON FIGHT POSTPONED Mike Tyson's planned fight in Milan against fellow American Lou Savarese has been postponed until at least June and might be moved, according to Tyson's manager. Shelly Finkel met with Tyson in Las Vegas to discuss reports that the former heavyweight champion was out of shape and not training. The Italy fight, which had been originally scheduled for April 8, had already been delayed until May 20 and will be pushed back again. http://www.pa.press.net/sport/BOXING_Tyson_104271.html?pab161"}, {"response": 214, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (09:27)", "body": "He needs to hire Stacey as his trainer."}, {"response": 215, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (14:32)", "body": "He needs serious mental work before he can think of body work, I think."}, {"response": 216, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (20:50)", "body": "Yep."}, {"response": 217, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (18:57)", "body": "Viloria going to Olympics He is the first Olympic fighter from Hawaii in 44 years Waipahu light flyweight Brian Viloria this morning became the state's first Olympic fighter in 44 years as he overwhelmed two-time Olympian Domenic Filane of Canada, with a 10-2 decision, in the semifinals of the Central American qualifer in Tijuana . . ."}, {"response": 218, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (15:57)", "body": "Grant Prepares for Lewis at His Best NEW YORK (Reuters) - Michael Grant couldn't care less about Lennox Lewis's mistakes. It's what the Briton does correctly that interests Grant as he gets ready to try to take away Lewis's heavyweight titles next week. Surprisingly, Grant said in a conference call Thursday from his New Bern, N.C., training camp that he hasn't watched any tapes of Lewis bloopers as the two men get ready to fight April 29 in Madison Square Garden for Lewis's World Boxing Council and International Boxing Federation titles. And there have been a few fights and rounds that would not make a Lewis highlight reel. Lewis was knocked out by journeyman Oliver McCall in 1994 in the second round. More recently Shannon Briggs stunned the big Briton in the first round of their 1998 fight, but Briggs punched himself out, got sloppy and Lewis went on to stop him. And there have other rounds and other fights when Lewis looked less than a world beater. But the 27-year-old Grant isn't looking to build his confidence by banking on Lewis making the same mistakes. In the 10 weeks of training for the biggest fight of his life, Grant said, ``I didn't look for his mistakes. I looked for how he was winning his fights. I was looking for his strengths to see what it is and, you know, how to get out of it.'' He said he has learned that Lewis, 34, is strong and a good athlete and he likes his right hand. The 6-6 Lewis figures to weigh in at roughly the same 250 pounds as the 6-7 Grant. But when pressed for specifics of what Lewis does best, Grant (31-0) was vague, maybe by design. ``His strengths, his strengths, his strengths,'' Grant thought out loud, ``Uh, his style, he carries himself back in the lean position. He uses his athletic ability.'' Grant was quick to pay Lewis respect, saying, ``I don't think I can take anything from the guy. I can stop him from using it. I can stop him from executing.'' Grant said his plan is to ``pressure the guy and take him the full 12 rounds. When you put pressure on a guy sometimes he pretty much doesn't want any part of that. You have to impose your will on that person. I will develop a pace he's not accustomed to,'' Grant said, adding that the pressure is designed to limit Lewis's chances to think. Lewis (35-1-1) has been criticized, particularly by his trainer, Emanuel Steward, for thinking too much in the ring, for taking his love of chess and its contemplation into the ring. Grant said he is completely over his last fight in November when Andrew Golota knocked him down twice in the first round and dominated him for most of the fight before Grant stopped him. ``I was shaken a little bit and was laughing. I couldn't believe I was knocked down.'' Grant finally caught Golota in the 10th round, knocking him down. Golota quickly got up and did not appear to be hurt seriously. But he quit. From that fight Grant said he learned not to take people for granted. ``I got too cocky at some point going into the fight,'' he said. ``I learned patience gives you experience ... I learned about life.'' Steward said earlier this week he didn't see anything other than the right hand that was particularly impressive from Grant in the Golota fight. ``It really didn't prove much,'' Steward said, because ``when things get tough Golota doesn't want to fight.'' Perhaps most significant, Grant learned the importance of keeping his hands up. He worked continuously in camp on that boxing basic. The drill was that if let his guard down he had to start the round over again. Grant is not worried about working on his power against Lewis. It's already there."}, {"response": 219, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (08:38)", "body": "Hi y'all. Long time, no see! I can honestly say that I read every post in this topic and loved it! John Burnett, if I lived anywhere near you (and hadn't already had my life quota of concussions), i'd take up boxing and you'd be my coach... Back to the topic on women boxers... I watched a fight last night on Showtime, Laila Ali vs Christina King, a 4 round slaughter. Ali has obviously been training, she was buff and very focused and used King as a speed bag for the entire 4 rounds. King, a supposed 3 time \"Tough Woman\" champion, fought...well, like a girl. And was pulverized for her trouble. She was flabby, slow, had no training, and bad motor skills. I think the only think she could kill would be a six-pack. The comments entered earlier on by Marcia (I think) are pretty much on point. The weight classes seem to each have one or two at best talented women then the rest have no business in the ring. The really talented ones probably will never meet due to disparity in size, i.e Martin fights in the 140 weight class and Ali in the 160 weight class. That and The promoters... the fact that even in mens boxing the current champions fight a bunch of losers to build up their record while the fans wait for that one truly inspirational match-up to come around. I'm quite the idealist. I hope for the day when boxers like Tyson will be banned for life, and jailed for assault and the boxers like De la Hoya will be the norm. I wonder... if womens boxing is contested at the Olympic level, will more talented, better trained boxers will be produced?"}, {"response": 220, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (11:44)", "body": "Aloha, Gena. I forwarded John your post. You just might make his day! I am delighted to see you posting again. Excellent comments on the fight. I knoly heard it disected by sports reporters, but they did not like it - not her, though. Just the contender she was boxing. Tyson does nothing for the sport and everything for purient interests. I'm with you! I'll let you know what John says when he gets a moment to comment. He is working on his Masters Thesis and for the duration is avoiding Spring."}, {"response": 221, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (11:46)", "body": "Olympic level boxing might be the ONLY way to make women's boxing a viable and credible sport."}, {"response": 222, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (15:40)", "body": "hey!Lookee what I found! It's a site all about womens AMATUER boxing... http://www.usaboxing.org/womens.htm It also lists what is required for it to become an Olympic contest."}, {"response": 223, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (15:55)", "body": "Ooh...You did! Shall go there and hunt up the answers to the questions you asked in email - if you don't beat me to it *grin*"}, {"response": 224, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (17:46)", "body": "From John in answer to Gena's comment: (Gena): I wonder... if womens boxing is contested at the Olympic level, will more talented, better trained boxers will be produced? Gena: The answer is undoubtedly yes. If women's boxing became an Olympic sport, there would be a much better international amateur infrastructure to support them and all gyms who accept amateur males for training would have to do the same for women as well. More trainers would get involved with women fighters. Weight class difference would not be a reason to keep Christy Martin (or anyone else within 20 lbs.) from fighting Ali, if the money and billing was right. The match could be made if a contract could be agreed upon. Martin is still a more experienced and better skilled fighter. Ali does have a great deal of natural genetic talent. She is also obviously getting excellent training. For a person with her limited time in the ring, she is quite well schooled and with continued motivation and barring injury, she will only get better. I love watching GOOD women fighters. I don't recommend professional boxing, however, for anyone, male or female, who has a decent education and middle class opportunities. I would also hate to see Leila Ali's lovely face defaced. She's a beauty, and as a (sometimes chauvinistic) red-blooded heterosexual male, I appreciate that as much as I do her talent."}, {"response": 225, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (19:10)", "body": "O.K. John... Lets do a \"tale of the tape\" like the big commentators do it. The match is, hmmm, Lucia Rijker vs Leila Ali (I'm giving you two \"lookers\") Granted, Rijker has held several martial arts titles, the latest of which were in kickboxing (4 different world titles), but what the hey. So, let's also give Ali another year of preperation. Now let's also make it a real match, at least 10 rounds, televised. Ali: 5'10'' 165 lbs Rijker: ?? in the 'up to 140 lbs' class (IFBA) (Same as Martin, who by the way, refuses to fight Rijker) check out http://sportsplacement.com/lucia.htm for a write up on Rijker. I find it interesting that one of her nicknames is 'Lady Ali' Who wins? can we petition somebody to get this fight for real?"}, {"response": 226, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (22:52)", "body": "From John in response to Gena O.K. You probably know more about it than I do, because I don't go out of my way to look for women's bouts...I usually only see those that are on undercards of a main event featuring men. I have seen Rijker fight, though, and she is special, although about 20 pounds lighter than Ali. She is too skilled and experienced for Ali at this point. Ali would need the year of serious training and \"tune-up\" bouts. Most of the good fighters are in lower weight classes than Ali. Other fights that would make sense for Laila Ali (you spelled it right the first time, then I misspelled it \"Hawaiian style) would be Trina Ortegon for Ortegon's IFBA middleweight (160 pounds) title (again Ali would need about a year's seasoning)...or Sandra Reihart (rated #1 junior middleweight, 154 pounds). Dakota Stone (#3 junior middle IFBA) would also make a good matchup for Ali...good skills, moderate but not overwhelming power). The IFBA junior middleweight title is vacant...I don't know if Ali can lose the 7-8 pounds necessary or if that would interest her. What the promoters really want is kind of a round-robin \"Daughters of the Legends\" tournament. Freeda Foreman (beautiful woman, laughable boxing skills, I'm surprised she's not a \"Georgianne\" or \"Georgette\"), Jacqui Frazier-Lyde...crude mauler, 7-11 defense (open all night), and J'Marie \"Lady Mongoose\" Moore, daughter of legendary light-heavyweight champion Archie \"Mongoose\" Moore. Moore is heavier than Ali, fights light-heavy (175 pounds, which by the way was MY division over a quarter-century ago). She is also beautiful (men WILL watch) and has noticeable boxing skills (no one will laugh). That may be really the best fight for Ali. Give her a year of serious training, though, and I think she will be ready for anyone. Good jab, keeps her hands up in good defensive position, is confident but less of a hot dog than Dad was, values her pretty face and does her best to keep it from getting hit (boxing is ultimately the art of hitting and not getting hit). As for Rijker-Ali...Rijker would only do it if there was big money involved. Ali could gain more respect with a win over Rijker despite the size difference because of Rijker's obvious skills (pound for pound, probably the best at this moment). The only thing there would be in it for Rijker would be money. She would be giving up a lot of size, but she has excellent power and great fighting instincts. I don't know about petitioning promoters (their only interest is usually self-interest). If Martin doesn't want to fight Rijker, her opportunities in her weight class is limited as Rijker has the IFBA belt (the most respected belt in the women's fight game). I'd still like to see Martin-Ali or Stone-Ali. Moore-Ali might actually be the best fight, but the \"Daughters of Legends\" hype has a certain odoriferous quality to it, good fight possibility or not. BTW, Gena, you are welcome to e-mail me anytime: beaufordb@hotmail.com."}, {"response": 227, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Apr 27, 2000 (22:42)", "body": "Lewis Lighter Than Grant for Heavyweight Title Bout NEW YORK (Reuters) - Lennox Lewis weighed in at 247 pounds and Michael Grant was 250 pounds Thursday for their heavyweight title fight at Madison Square Garden Saturday. Lewis, 34, was five pounds heavier than he was for his last fight in November against Evander Holyfield when he won the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world. The 27-year-old Grant (31-0) weighed 252 pounds last November when he came back from a beating and two knockdowns in the first round to knock down Andrew Golota in the 10th and win when Golota quit. A crowd of about 300 people watched the weigh-in outside Madison Square Garden. A contingent of British fans cheered their hero who weighed in first. When Grant, wearing stylishly thin-rimmed eyeglasses, stepped on the scales he was greeted with a smattering of boos. The 35-1-1 Lewis, who will earn about $10 million to Grant's estimated $4 million, will defend only the World Boxing Council and International Boxing Federation titles on Saturday. A recent court order effectively stripped Lewis of the World Boxing Association title. The court ruled that Lewis violated an agreement he had with promoter Don King to fight the group's No. 1 contender and said if he fought Grant the WBA's No. 5 contender it could not be for the WBA title. The WBA originally had sanctioned Grant to fight Lewis. Grant is ranked No. 2 by the WBC and the IBF."}, {"response": 228, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (07:55)", "body": "Grant is the real number 2 right? How did John Burnett's rankings go?"}, {"response": 229, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (18:49)", "body": "From John in response to Terry's question: I thought I had given plenty of thought to that one. Grant still looks too raw. He could get lucky, but the last time Lewis got careless in a fight was when he lost to Oliver McCall in 1994. Lewis is a big hitter and capable of one punch K.O.s. Grant is more of a clubbing puncher. I'll take Lewis by late (10-12 round KO) or decision. I'm a notoriously terrible prognosticator, though. There's no way I would put my money where my fingers are on it."}, {"response": 230, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (19:41)", "body": "From John regarding Grant's claim to Number 2 ranking: Grant's a legitimate #2, and I think he may be a legitimate champion in a few years, but right now, you can bet Lewis's folks are glad they have Grant in front of him instead of Ike Ibeabuchi."}, {"response": 231, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (21:28)", "body": "Lewis-Grant Bout Trainers End Their Feud NEW YORK (Reuters) - There was a time when the two veteran fight trainers could not be trusted to be in the same room with each other, let alone to sit down and share jokes, without the threat of mayhem. But these days, as their boxers prepare for their heavyweight title fight Saturday, Don Turner, who guides challenger Michael Grant, and Emanuel Steward, Lennox Lewis's gym guru, seem to have put their disdain for each other on hold. They even sat down together for interviews with reporters this week. That's not to say that Turner wouldn't relish finally having one of his fighters beat a Steward fighter, especially Lewis. Turner has gone up against Lewis and Steward three times and has come away with very good paydays but no bragging rights. Lewis made that very point the other day in reaction to a Turner quote that Lewis was a good fighter when coming in but far from great when back-peddling. That, added to other disparaging remarks by Turner before other fights, prompted Lewis, a 12-5 favorite in Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, to beat Grant, to say that Turner ``is just batting zero right now. Three strikes and you're out.'' Lewis was referring to Turner losing to Lewis with both Henry Akinwande and Evander Holyfield. Actually Turner's record is 0-2-1 against Lewis, who fought to a highly controversial draw with Holyfield in their first fight last March in Madison Square Garden. Turner has not risen to the bait as he might have just a few months ago and even defended the British champion. ``You hear that Michael has more guts than Lennox. I don't buy that. It's the way he fights. Sometimes (Lewis) fights too economically for the public to accept. But he's a two-time champion and an (Olympic) champ, and you don't get that because you can't fight.'' Turner says his anger toward Steward stems from Steward's attempt to steal a fighter from him several years ago. Steward would not discuss the issue publicly, instead focusing on his own impressive accomplishments, which include working with a long list of champions. Steward, the founder of Detroit's famous Kronk gym, guided journeyman Oliver McCall to a second-round knockout of Lewis in 1994, the only defeat for the world champion. That was the fight that finally convinced Lewis's camp that they needed a change and they hired Steward. Steward was something of a culture shock for the members of the insular Lewis camp who are fearful of outsiders, especially those who aren't pom-pom waving cheerleaders for the their fighter. Such adulation, Steward said, was not doing Lewis any good. It's important ``to be real with him,'' Steward said earlier this week. ``Other guys tell him what he wants to hear. I'm telling him more negative things than positive things.'' That approach has miffed some of Lewis's long-time counselors. But they bow to Steward's insistent and successful methods, which includes teaching Lewis better footwork, which was ``terrible'' says Steward when he first began working with the Briton. Even now with Lewis a world champion, Steward says he emphasizes proper balance more than anything else in camp. Another change Steward says he made was ``to bring in quality sparring partners, young undefeated fighters, not guys he can beat up.'' Steward has had a long campaign for Lewis to be much more aggressive and meaner, to use his impressive 6-5 size, excellent, if often lazy, jab and powerful right hand for spectacular victories instead of doing just enough to win. Steward said he keeps his own score as the fight progresses and ``I tell the boxer the score. I'm always very honest with the fighter.'' In the first Holyfield fight, ``I knew (the judge) they brought in to give Evander the advantage,'' Steward said, adding that he told Lewis in the late rounds that he had to be more aggressive to win. ``The rest of the corner was upset with me pushing him. If I hadn't he wouldn't have gotten the draw,'' Steward said. Turner, a former average welterweight and middleweight from Cincinnati, worked with former champion Larry Holmes toward the end of his career before he got his big break when Holyfield hired him for his first fight with Mike Tyson. Turner, who never seems to be far from a smile that lands somewhere between bemusement and a smirk, had his greatest moment as a trainer when Holyfield won the World Boxing Association title in one of the biggest upsets ever. Turner, of course, is looking for another big upset and says his 6-7 fighter also at 250 pounds is just three pounds heavier than Lewis has the strength, desire and athleticism to beat Lewis, who at 34 is seven years older than Grant. One upset already went into the books when the two trainers buried their feud this week."}, {"response": 232, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (21:22)", "body": "Forwarded to me by John: Ibeabuchi not competent to stand trial Associated Press LAS VEGAS -- Former heavyweight contender Ike Ibeabuchi will spend time in a state mental health facility before facing charges he sexually assaulted an outcall dancer who was sent to his hotel room. Over Ibeabuchi's objections, a judge ruled that he should be sent to a state facility for mentally ill offenders until doctors determine he is competent to stand trial. The ruling came late Wednesday after three doctors interviewed Ibeabuchi to see if he understood the charges against him. \"He doesn't share the same reality as the rest of us in this courtroom,\" Dr. Thomas Bittker told District Judge Joseph Bonaventure. Ibeabuchi, considered one of the top heavyweight title contenders before his arrest, at first refused to acknowledge the judge in the courtroom. But he nodded his head when asked if he would agree to be interviewed by the doctors. Ibeabuchi told the judge he did not want to be sent to Lakes Crossing, the state's facility in Sparks, Nev., for the mentally ill. \"I'm not suffering from any psychological or mental ailment,\" he said. Ibeabuchi, 26, faces multiple felony charges stemming from the incident last July at the Mirage involving the dancer, who testified earlier that she was sexually assaulted after she was sent to strip for him in his room. Bittker said two hours of talking to Ibeabuchi showed he had an overwhelmingly narcissistic personality that prevents him from perceiving others' point of view. He said the boxer has some paranoia and does not grasp the relationship between behavior and consequences. Bonaventure ordered doctors at Lakes Crossing to keep Bittker apprised of Ibeabuchi's treatment. \"I'm going to try to get you back as soon as possible so we can clean up this matter,\" he told the boxer. Ibeabuchi had to be removed from the courtroom during an appearance after his arrest when he became unruly. He did not display the same attitude in his latest appearance, although he made his points with force. \"My life is already messed up, and I don't care which way it goes from now on,\" he said. Ibeabuchi, a native of Nigeria, was 20-0 with 15 knockouts and ranked No. 2 by the IBF when he was arrested."}, {"response": 233, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (23:47)", "body": "Long Live the King by John Burnett Lennox Lewis bounced Michael Grant like a beach ball in a 2nd round kayo. Three kmockdowns in the first round (right cross, two right uppercuts) and a right uppercut coup-de-grace in the second round. This was not beautiful. It was also not boring or uninspring. Grant, after having dissed Lewis in a pre-fight press conference (\"suspect chin,\" \"suspect body,\" \"suspect haircut\"), and having eschewed boxing (he's crude, but he can box at a rudimentary level) went right after Lewis. It played perfectly into Lewis's hands. No one else has as much one-punch power as Lewis, and few have been more reluctant than he has in the past to use it. Lewis's trainer, Emanuel Steward, said that the fight plan would be to use Grant's aggressiveness against him. That worked to perfection. With Ike out of the picture, at least for the time being, David Tua is probably the best challenger out there. Johnny Ruiz is going to have to impress someone else besides the WBA if he is going to get a shot. I certainly didn't see Grant winning this fight, but I didn't think he'd be stupid enough to give it away when there are things he could've done (and didn't) to make it a competitive fight. But after Grant recuperated from an early beating at the hands of Andrew Golota to take a 10th round TKO the low-blow Pole, Lewis commented, \"I'm not Andrew Golota. If I get him into trouble, I'll finish him.\" And finish him he did."}, {"response": 234, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, May 13, 2000 (22:42)", "body": "From John Burnett: From Sports Illustrated (May 15, 2000, p.24) Last week in New York City, Lennox Lewis lost his WBA heavyweight title belt even while knocking out Michael Grant, Lewis was stripped of the title for failing to first fight the WBA's leading challenger, John Ruiz, whom most experts agree shouldn't rank among the top five heavyweights. Meanwhile, across the Hudson, IBF president Bob Lee and three colleagues were standing trial in U.S. District Court on racketeering charges for allegedly accepting $338,000 to rig their sanctioning body's rankings. If you have soured on the sweet science and its depraved rankings systems, you may want to visit http://www.Boxingranks.com Last week the site unveiled what it says will be a monthly boxing writers' poll, ranking the top 10 fighters in all 17 pro weight classes. \"We hope to establish the boxing rankings like the college football rankings,\" says the site's founder (Honest) Howie Sirota, a Wall Street lawyer and a boxing fan,\" and Don King can't buy the writers, certainly not as easily as he can the alphabet-soup governing bodies.\" Thus far the site's Boxing Writers' Ranking Poll has 25 members, including such venerable ringside pundits as Bill Gallo of the New York Daily News, author Pete Hamill, George Kimball of the Boston Herald, HBO commentators Larry Merchant and Jack Newfield, and Wallace Matthews of the New York Post, none of whom are compensated for voting. Old habits die hard, though. At a press conference last week Matthews remarked, \"O.K., I'm voting. Send the graft.\" --John Walters (I wish they'd rank the Top 20. J.B.)"}, {"response": 235, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, May 14, 2000 (16:11)", "body": "After John and I exchanged email about boxing and my missing the point, I went into http://www.Boxingranks.com/Departments/monthly_boxing_writers_poll.htm to see what they were talking about. If these writers can stay clean (no payoff for their votes) it surely would be worth while to have some reliable way of measuring one contender against the rest in his category."}, {"response": 236, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, May 25, 2000 (23:13)", "body": "Panama's Duran Puts Back Record June Bout PANAMA CITY, Panama (Reuters) - Veteran Panama boxer Roberto ``Hands of Stone'' Duran broke training on Thursday to announce that his record-breaking June bout against Pat Lawlor had been put back two weeks to June 16. Duran and Lawlor were due to meet on June 3, in a twelve-round rematch for the vacant National Boxing Association (NBA) super-middleweight belt, but the fight was put back to accommodate backers. ``We made a contract with CBS television, and they wanted us to change the fight to June 16 for publicity reasons in the U.S.,'' Duran told Reuters at a Panama City press conference. The bout, which falls on Duran's 49th birthday, is set to extend the four-time world champion's 117-fight career to a record fifth decade. Fight sponsors Cervezas Baru confirmed that officials from the Guinness Book of Records will attend the promotion at the capital's New Panama Gymnasium to verify the record. ``It won't be an easy fight, and for this reason I've been training hard,'' a fit-looking Duran told reporters. The former champion, who lost to Lawlor over six rounds in a 1991 clash, added that he was going to ``make him pay.'' FROM SHINING SHOES TO CHAMPION Duran learned his aggressive, two-fisted style in the tough streets of Panama City's El Chorrillo neighborhood in the 1950s and 1960s, where from the age of seven he earned a few cents shining shoes and dancing in the local bars. Making his professional debut in 1968 at the age of 17 in a four-round fight in the Caribbean city of Colon, Duran went on to win world titles at four different weights. The first came in 1972 when he put tartan-clad Scottish lightweight champion Ken Buchanan down in the 13th round of their Madison Square Garden clash. Duran went on to defend the title 12 times before over the next seven years, before moving up to beat Sugar Ray Leonard for the World Boxing Council (WBC) welterweight belt in an epic 15-round battle in 1980. Two further titles followed at junior middleweight against Davey Moore in 1983, and a final crown at middleweight in a surprise upset against Iran Barkley in 1989. More than a decade has passed since his glory days, but Duran says he has no plans to hang up his gloves. ``This will be my last fight in Panama City, but I will have two more in the U.S. and then I will make a tour of Europe,'' he said. BATTLING THE YEARS Giving away more than a decade in age, Duran will have his work cut out for him to beat San Francisco-based Lawlor. But with ten pounds to go to reach the 168-pound weight limit, Duran has been helped by the two-week postponement. The former champion said he would also be helped by training once again in Panama City under the guidance of his old mentor Nestor ``Plomo'' Quinones. Quinones, who has worked with Duran since he was an eager youngster in El Chorrillo, is overseeing a harsh daily training schedule, including road and bag work, together with eight rounds of sparring. While many in Panama would like to wish Duran an honorable retirement, veteran trainer Rigoberto Garibaldi said the former champion remains in good shape. ``Duran hits hard with both hands, and his reactions are still strong,'' Garibaldi told Reuters with an indulgent smile. ''I've trained three world champions, and he carries on being the best of them.''"}, {"response": 237, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, May 26, 2000 (21:15)", "body": "Salud rock solid Jesus Salud remains unbeaten in Hawaii with a third-round TKO By Dave Reardon - Star-Bulletin It was back to old times for Jesus Salud. It was back to the canvas for his opponent, Boyke Sillehu. About 2,500 watched Salud dominate Sillehu last night at Blaisdell Arena. He knocked down the Indonesian three times in less than three rounds to remain unbeaten in 35 professional boxing matches in Hawaii. Referee Abe Pacheco called the fight with 28 seconds left in the third, after Salud peppered Sillehu with sustained combinations to the ribs. \"I feel he was taking too much punishment, he wasn't fighting back,\" Pacheco said. The veteran official made many similar calls in Salud fights in the '80s and early '90s, as the Waipahu-trained boxer from Nanakuli built the foundation of a career that would take him to a world title and a new home in San Diego. Many other familiar faces from the past surrounded Salud last night, including former stablemate Paul Lucas (now a police officer) and trainer Al Silva. But even at 37, Salud (61-9) looks toward the future and another shot at the title. \"I still believe in my ability,\" Salud said. \"I hadn't fought in a year, but I didn't feel rusty.\" He certainly didn't look out of tune. While Salud is not as quick as he was in the '80s, he seems stronger. Salud rocked Sillehu (24-5-1) several times, most notably with a flooring left hook to the head 23 seconds into the fight. \"Oh, that first punch,\" Silva marveled. \"When he went down, I knew Jesus had additional power.\" Salud hurt Sillehu with another big right 17 seconds before the end of the first, setting the stage for a flurry of scoring shots nearly to the bell. Sillehu connected with a right to Salud's head midway through the second round, but Salud countered immediately with scoring jabs and a sharp right, left combination to the head at 55 seconds to the bell. Then, with eight seconds left, Salud knocked down Sillehu again with another big right hook. Before Pacheco called it in the third, Salud knocked down Sillehu a third time, with a right set up by a left jab at 1:47. Salud's current trainer, Abe Sanchez, said he was pleased overall. \"We wanted to go back to where Jesus was three or four years ago. He'd become complacent,\" Sanchez said. \"We don't like him to sit and react. We want him to make (the opponent) react. I won't say it was an 'A' fight, but he did a lot of good things. \"We wanted some rounds, and the kid gave him some rounds,\" Sanchez added. \"There's two guys in there, so (Salud's) gonna get hit.\" Sillehu and his trainer said they should have had the opportunity to hit the favorite son longer. \"This guy was going to knock Salud out,\" trainer Felix Cazeres said. \"The fight was definitely stopped too soon.\" Sillehu has won 19 of his fights by knockout, including a May 13 stop of WBO Intercontinental bantamweight (118 pounds) champion Don Don Concepcion at the Sheraton Waikiki. \"I could keep fighting,\" said Sillehu, who was visibly nervous before the bout. \"I knew I hurt him.\" Salud acknowledged that Sillehu landed the one good shot, but said it didn't bother him long. \"The ref did a good job,\" he said. \"He wasn't protecting himself or throwing punches. He was just winging from the outside, and I was very patient.\" QUICK JABS: In a co-main event, Andy Tabanas (40-4-1) TKO'd Agus Ray (25-10-4) in the fifth round for the WBO Asia-Pacific Junior Flyweight title ... In the prelims, Mike Jamison (6-0) decisioned John Lopez (5-4), Mark Burse (4-0) TKO'd Pablo Ontiberos (4-11) in the second, Tali Kulihaapai (7-0) TKO'd Gene Valdez (0-2) in the first, and Clay Lewis (1-0) decisioned Jaime Bretado (3-8) ... U.S. Olympic boxing team member Brian Viloria of Waipahu attended last night's matches. He returns to Colorado Springs, Colo., on June 4 to train for USA vs. Ukraine matches June 19 in Dallas. Then he comes back to Hawaii for two weeks before returning to Colorado."}, {"response": 238, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (22:54)", "body": "Viloria takes on golden hue of national spotlight Sports Illustrated covers the Waipahu boxer from head to toe in gold paint for a photo shoot By Pat Bigold Star-Bulletin People have been coloring Brian Viloria since he beat Cuba's best for the world amateur light flyweight title last year. The popular shades are gold for Olympic medal and green for the fortune promoters are already lining up to offer him. As if that pressure wasn't enough, Sports Illustrated officially gilded the 19-year-old Waipahu resident this month. \"We did a photo shoot and they painted me in gold,\" Viloria said by phone from the Colorado Springs training center. \"I looked like a statue. They put it all over my body. My face. My hair.\" Viloria, somewhat surprised at being the only boxer selected by SI for the golden boy pose, said the water-based colors \"felt cold\" being applied. \"They did one photo in the boxing ring and one on top of the roof with the sky as the background,\" he said. A spokesman at SI acknowledged the photo shoot but would not reveal the magazine's plans for the art. \"It's a secret,\" he said. As for Viloria, he was more concerned with getting the paint off his skin after the session. \"It came off but I really had to scrub,\" he said. The photo shoot with Teen Magazine the next day was a lot less complicated. Viloria is a young athlete whose Olympic dream has exploded into a kaleidoscope of publicity. He became a media darling after the world championship and even more so since he secured his 106-pound berth on the Olympic team. He's a devastating hitter, coveted by promoters Don King and Bob Arum, and he's well-spoken enough to draw reporters like flies to honey. He's been called America's \"Mighty Mouse\" for his diminutive 5-foot-3 stature, as well as \"The Hawaiian Punch,\" an unoriginal nickname given by the mainland press to almost every Hawaii-born boxing celebrity (Andy Ganigan and Jesus Salud also were billed that way). During the Olympic athletes' media session in Houston earlier this month, Viloria was one of the most interviewed subjects. The media exercises are almost as exacting as his training for Sydney. But Viloria can still recall an experience at age 11 that fired his imagination about Olympic glory. \"When I met two of the 1992 Olympians at the Waipahu gym, Oscar De La Hoya and Eric Griffin, they encouraged me,\" he said. \"We sparred, trained. We have videos at home.\" The warmth shown him by De La Hoya and Griffin rubbed off on Viloria. He said he never tires of chatting with youngsters who want to ask all sorts of questions. \"Do you get mad when you fight?\" \"Does it hurt to get hit?\" After a scheduled exhibition series of bouts against the Ukraine in Fort Worth, Texas yesterday, Viloria is expected to be in Honolulu until July 10. It's a chance to do what he likes best. \"I'm just happy to hang out with my dad, my brother, my old friends, go back to the old gym and talk to my old coaches,\" he said. Olympic Profile Brian Viloria Age: 19 Hometown: Waipahu Sport: Boxing (106 pounds) Olympics: First Olympic dream quote: \"When I met two of the 1992 Olympians at the Waipahu gym, Oscar De La Hoya and Eric Griffin, they encouraged me.\" Sydney 2000 Olympics"}, {"response": 239, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (09:58)", "body": "Tyson may have whupped up on Frank Warrent and held him hanging out of a window over some jewelry bill. The guys on CNN Radio are saying \"why couldn't they show this, I'd *pay* to see that.\" If they had fessed to it, Brit copys would have tossed Tyson out of the UK. And Lennox Lewis says he'll fight Tyson before Tua. Will Ruis and Tua fight to unify the IBF and WB titles? Does Tyson stand a chance? Predictions? Tyson tries to eat Lewis children but can't find any anwhere. Butterbean takes Laila Ali on the UnderCard. And Tyson fails to bite off George Foreman's ear during the post fight interview."}, {"response": 240, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (17:03)", "body": "Lewis Outweighs Botha on the Scales LONDON (Reuters) - World champion Lennox Lewis weighed in almost 14 pounds heavier than South African Frans Botha before their heavyweight title fight Saturday. The Briton, who defends his World Boxing Council (WBC) and International Boxing Federation (IBF) titles, hit the scales at 250 pounds Thursday. The total was three pounds more than the 247 pounds Lewis carried during his last title defense in New York in April against American Michael Grant. Botha appearing to half-hearted boos on the open-air stage in London's central Covent Garden registered 236 pounds. It was heavier than his usual fighting weight of around 228. Both men were late appearing on the sheltered stage in a pedestrian area where crowds usually gather around mime artists and jugglers rather than boxers stripping down to their underwear. They flexed their muscles in turn as ring card models, wearing a uniform loosely based on that of the Beefeaters at the Tower of London, paraded before the crowd. A performing artist with a squeaky voice, a plastic butterfly on his head and two open umbrellas over his shoulder, tried valiantly to keep his audience around the corner. As hard-hatted construction workers craned from their scaffolding for a better view, promoter Panos Eliades sensed a selling opportunity and reminded the crowd that there were still tickets remaining to be bought. ``Buy now, because if you don't buy now, you won't be there,'' he declared."}, {"response": 241, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (17:04)", "body": "I sent the above to John Burnett for his opinion. His comment: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...I'll watch if I can find a place to see it for free. Botha may be just good enough to survive, but not good enough to make it interesting. It could end up a spectacular Lewis knockout, but it would come against less-than-spectacular opposition, Botha's ranking notwithstanding. He's an honest, hardworking heavyweight fighter, a good gateway opponent, but hardly a challenger to a real champion. He is tough, though, and takes a great punch. If Lewis had enough savagery in him (he doesn't), it could end up a one-sided, bloody 12-round debacle like the 15-round beating Larry Holmes gave Randall \"Tex\" Cobb. That was the fight that caused Howard Cosell to stop broadcasting boxing...news which Cobb received with the quip, \"I'll go another 15 with Holmes if Howard will stop calling football.\""}, {"response": 242, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (22:02)", "body": "(Terry)And Lennox Lewis says he'll fight Tyson before Tua. Will Ruis and Tua fight to unify the IBF and WB titles? Does Tyson stand a chance? (John) Sorry it took me so long to get back to you on that one...I don't know if Ruiz and Tua will meet. Tua doesn't care who he fights because he knows he is competitive with anyone out there right now. Ruiz is not in Tua's or Lewis's league. As for Tyson, although he has eschewed basic boxing skills (which he once exhibited) and his defense has eroded, he has a puncher's chance in any fight he's in. He has one-punch knockout power. Few people have that and those who do are never out of any fight because one can get lucky anytime before the final bell. Lewis would and should be a solid favorite (I'd go about 8-5 or 9-5) over Tyson. Still, nobody wants to meet Ike, and everybody is hoping that his volatile personality gets him thrown in jail for a long time before he gets his shot. Lewis and Tua would be an excellent match: tall guy versus short guy, both with decent skills and both with one-punch KO power. I'd pay to see that."}, {"response": 243, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov  1, 2000 (17:02)", "body": "\"I love boxing. Where else do two grown men prance around in satin underwear, fighting over a belt?... The one who wins gets a purse. They do it in gloves. It's the accessory connection I love.\" ~ John McGovern sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 41, "subject": "The Spring's International Run Club", "response_count": 47, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Mon, Mar  2, 1998 (18:12)", "body": "My personal training program for March; Mon - weights, Tues - 4-5 mi, Weds - weights, Thur - 4-5 mi, Fri 4-5 mi, Sat - weights, Sun - 6 mi . In April, Thurs will become a 'speed' day at the track and Fri will become a rest day. At the same time the Sun run will lengthen making Mon a rest day. I may continue to do weight training on 'rest' days depending on my (or my running partner's) fatigue level. In addition to the noted milage, I use a heart monitor in order to maintain an easy/hard regimen, alternating between running at a 70% of max heart rate with 80% days... speed days being at around 90-95% output. I am 'attempting' to train for the MArine Corp Marathon to be held Oct 25th 1998. I've never gone that distance..."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Mar  2, 1998 (22:28)", "body": "Where is this event going to be?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "Cafe", "date": "Tue, Mar  3, 1998 (07:28)", "body": "GI-Gena? (o;"}, {"response": 4, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Tue, Mar  3, 1998 (08:27)", "body": "Cute! GI-Gena... I think I like it. Sounds like a great movie title... OK. The Marine Corp Marathon is held in Washington DC. For info, go to the official website http://issb-www1.mqg.usmc.mil/marathon There is a description of the history of the race, a course map and, for the inspired, an application."}, {"response": 5, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Tue, Mar  3, 1998 (08:39)", "body": "Terry... it may be a stretch, but can you link this topic into sports? I hope to put info in about the upcoming Goodwill Games Track & Field, the summer Olympic T & F info, etc. Whaddayatink?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (05:41)", "body": "Done!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (05:42)", "body": "Ok: li fitness 12 Linking as item 41...done."}, {"response": 8, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (08:18)", "body": "Snappy!!!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (09:19)", "body": "Who knows, maybe we'll have a Spring-A-Thon!"}, {"response": 10, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (10:32)", "body": "I'm thinking racing singlets... a really cool logo for The Spring on the front, email addresses on the back. Perhaps we should have a 'design the singlet logo' contest...unless you already have a logo for dis place...."}, {"response": 11, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (10:41)", "body": "Anyway, back to the business at hand... The following are some links to good sites having to do with running. Also I've included links to the official \"Games\" sites of the different competitions in the future, with date. KICK; The Runners Resource http://kicksports.com Runners World Magazine http://www.runnersworld.com USA Track & Field http://usatf.org The Goodwill Games 1998 New York, NY July 19 - Aug 2 http://www.goodwillgames98.com The Gay Games 1998 Amsterdam NL Aug 1 - Aug 8 http://www.gaygames.nl Olympics; Summer 2000 Sydney Australia http://www.sydney.olympic.org Winter 2002 Salt Lake City Utah http://www.slc2002.org Summer 2004 Athens Greece http://www.athens2004.net International Olympic Committee http://www.olympic.org Enjoy!!"}, {"response": 12, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (07:06)", "body": "Did I scare everybody away? Runners where are you? Anybody have an upcoming race, a race recommendation... a dream?"}, {"response": 13, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (17:21)", "body": "three years ago today I ran my first marathon, I'm looking to do a Tin Man Tri in the mountains this summer. Problem number one is the open water swims are always so damn cold you usually need a wet suit -- YUCK!"}, {"response": 14, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Mar 15, 1998 (17:05)", "body": "good luck to you stacey! if not for the water part, i'd consider a tri. i have a great fear of water, however. they have some great looking wetsuits avail thess days stacey...several actually made for women rather than sized down mens versions. i ran 3 miles easy today... get back on schedule this week with the milage. winter can't last much longer, unless we get another easter blizzard."}, {"response": 15, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Mar 16, 1998 (11:25)", "body": "opted for a short skate while I overcome the illness battle..."}, {"response": 16, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Mon, Mar 16, 1998 (12:06)", "body": "Hit the gym to lift today... short and light, just to get back into the swing. Two sets, general all body part workout."}, {"response": 17, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Thu, Mar 19, 1998 (08:32)", "body": "Tues - ran 3.5 mi on the only sunny day we've had this week. Wed - wieghts at the gym. Pretty useless... had no sleep the night before. Surprised I didn't drop a barbell on my head. Today, well, running is the plan but it's raining and cold and generally yucky. It may become a 'rest' day. FYI woman runners. In New York City June 6th is the Advil 10K, one of the premier womens races in the country. If anybody's interested in traveling to run it, watch the New York Road Runners Club site, http://www.nyrrc.org for entry info. They'll put an entry form on the site, probably in late April."}, {"response": 18, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Mar 19, 1998 (09:40)", "body": "no running... went mucking through the 14 inches of snow that fell yesterday (out of nowhere!) to the store for batteries! Walking through the snow, especially that much of it, uses plenty of different muscles and, when combined with shoveling out the sidewalk and driveway, makes for a satisfactory workout! tonight, if it reopens, weights at the rec center and a few trips around the track (nowhere else to run to baby... nowhere to hide...)"}, {"response": 19, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Mar 22, 1998 (07:44)", "body": "Ahhh New England! Saterday; weights... a good workout this time. Bless vitamin B and L-carnitine cocktails! Today (Sun); Well it's a run day, a 6 mi run day to be exact. And true to form, since its the first weekend of spring, it's snowing like a big dog! Will attempt to coerce my running partner into some other aerobic activity..."}, {"response": 20, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Mar 23, 1998 (10:34)", "body": "15 miles on skates. running just seemed to slow for me today! (yesterday) 2 miles this a.m. before work"}, {"response": 21, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Tue, Mar 24, 1998 (12:12)", "body": "Go Stacey! Yesterday; 5 mi run through the slush. yechh! Today; to do 4 mi, just any minute now... my lunch diversion."}, {"response": 22, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Tue, Mar 24, 1998 (12:12)", "body": "Hallelujah!! Spring has sprung in New England! Actually got a total of 23 miles in last week (running). Took Monday off. Today ran 4 hard. 73 degrees and climbing! Even tok the motorcycle out of storage over the weekend for a couple of short rides. Yee-Hah!!"}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Mar 31, 1998 (11:26)", "body": "Gena, you're bustin' out all over! Way to go!"}, {"response": 24, "author": "yves", "date": "Thu, Apr  2, 1998 (22:34)", "body": ""}, {"response": 25, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Apr  7, 1998 (18:00)", "body": "ran for miles and miles along the beach in Hilton Head (pit stop after Savannah). Walked for hours and hours in historic Savannah. Since I've been home... diddley squat!"}, {"response": 26, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Apr  7, 1998 (20:03)", "body": "I went for a long walk / run in the woods by my house today."}, {"response": 27, "author": "stacey", "date": "Thu, Apr  9, 1998 (08:50)", "body": "by the new house?"}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Apr  9, 1998 (09:16)", "body": "nope the Old House. I'm not moving in to the New House till May 20th."}, {"response": 29, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sat, Apr 18, 1998 (20:53)", "body": "Hey y'all!! Well, have managed to run 2 20+ mile weeks in a row... now if I can just keep it up. Am supposed to run 6 mi tomorrow, but am going on a motorcycle ride all morning (trying to beat the rain) instead. Maybe I'll run after, if I can stand up after 150 mi on a motorcycle... Monday is Boston Marathon day. I'll be at the famous Heartbreak Hill, watching for the Kenyans. Weather is supposed to be in the 60's and windy... we'll see. No Uta Pippig this year, and Elena Meyer dropped out as well due to injury. Hmmm, maybe the americans have a chance..."}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Apr 18, 1998 (22:37)", "body": "It will be exciting to be there, Gena. Are you running in it? Is it going to be nationally televised?"}, {"response": 31, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Apr 20, 1998 (00:09)", "body": "so outta the loop. 1 1/2 hours at the gym before I realized the weather was perfect for a bike ride. Wore my little self out!!! Did both of course!!!"}, {"response": 32, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Apr 20, 1998 (08:28)", "body": "Inspirational. I'm going to get out and clean up the construction site at Cedar Creek and go for a walk in the woods. And chain saw up the trees we had to clear for the cottage. When I move to the house in town, I'll get over to the Q more (Stacey, remember the Q?)"}, {"response": 33, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Apr 20, 1998 (09:11)", "body": "I remember... Wish I still had the work schedule to be able to fit in an hour or so of sweating before work!"}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Apr 20, 1998 (09:39)", "body": "What time do you have to be at work? Do you have access to the schools showers?"}, {"response": 35, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Apr 20, 1998 (16:37)", "body": "the school has one emergency shower (chemical shower) in the bowels of the building. I am at school by 7:30 a.m."}, {"response": 36, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Thu, Apr 23, 1998 (20:33)", "body": "Hi... sorry so late in getting back. Yes, the Boston Marathon was exciting this year, especially the womens wheelchair division. It was a photo finish! I took in the action at Heartbreak Hill, that's about the 20 mile mark. It was too cold for the spectators, thus lovely for the runners. Came home, ran too hard in the cold. Irritated my achilles. Swam Tuesday, then yesterday when and did a hard 5 miles... beating my achilles to death. I now can't walk.... smart, huh? Two weeks minimum - no running, ice, ibuprofin and maybe some pool work. I'm bummed..."}, {"response": 37, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Apr 24, 1998 (05:13)", "body": "Oooh, man, Gena, that hurts. I've had that injury and it's no fun. Can you swim in the meantime while you're recovering? Whirlpool?"}, {"response": 38, "author": "stacey", "date": "Fri, Apr 24, 1998 (09:05)", "body": "been there gena. it sucks. after my first marathon I was so pumped on running and I went out and tried just three hard miles two days later. Ended up with a stress fracture in my left knee. Crutches for eight weeks. Minimal activity for ages and ages and ages after that. Not all bad. That's when I started mountain biking. Less stress on the knees (unless you land on one!) heal quickly!"}, {"response": 39, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Mon, Jun  1, 1998 (15:49)", "body": "Hi y'all! Well one month later and I still can't REALLY run. I did 5 laps of the track (ran on the grass edge) Saturday. Will attempt the same tonight. I really did a job on my achilles. Cortizone has been suggested, but I hate that stuff! I've had one shot in the knee and one to the elbow. Would rather not get any more. Hope all is well with everyone. The motorcycling is good. Toured Vermont over Memorial weekend."}, {"response": 40, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Jun  1, 1998 (22:24)", "body": "good luck with the achilles gena!"}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Feb  1, 2000 (12:39)", "body": "This topic came up for some odd reason. Just a minor glitch in the new system."}, {"response": 42, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Feb  1, 2000 (14:51)", "body": "I wondered about that... Not to worry! I am just delighted you are off that other server."}, {"response": 43, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (08:53)", "body": "Hi guys... what, everybody dropped out of the Springs running club ;-) Well, 2 years after my NY Marathon, I'm still not running. The achilles can't take the impact. BUT I did train my running partner, Julie to a fabulous 4:16 Boston Marathon finish. She did great! I have turned to cycling... I'm training for the Boston-NewYork AIDS Ride in September. 275 miles in 3 days (And I might add, I need sponsors. Email me offlist if you're interested in contributing). So, what's everybody been doing? Where are those race results? Who's training for what? Terry... where are those \"Spring International Run Club\" t-shirts?"}, {"response": 44, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (09:35)", "body": "Uh, oh, those shirts? I ran a marathon once, but it was years ago and it wasn't a formal event. I think I'm going to turn to cycling as well. At least till I get down to a better running weight. Great on Julies time!"}, {"response": 45, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (10:08)", "body": "Hi Terry! Cycling is good... a little rough on the tush at first, but get a good set of bun callouses and the miles (and pounds) just melt away! I miss running really bad. Cycling doesn't get me high like running did, plus you can't 'trance out' on a bike. You could hit a tree, or worse. And I tell you what, the New England weather has not been co-operating at all. It's been raining for a week with no end in sight. You can go running in the rain without taking your life in your hands, but you can't take a road bike out. Visibility sucks and the cars will nail you as they swerve to miss big puddles. I've been cycling in my living room on the trainer with the MATRIX soundtrack blaring in my headset. It's really good workout noise. Later..."}, {"response": 46, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (11:35)", "body": "What kind of trainer do you have Gena?"}, {"response": 47, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (15:45)", "body": "I use a Cycle OPS wind trainer. I like it because I don't have to dismantle my bike in any way. I just lift the back tire up onto the wind fin cylinder thingy (hows that for techy talk), tighten the axle holding do-hicky ;-) and jump on. Put some good noise on the CD player and I can stand doing it from 30 min to an hour. Park it in front of a window and I can go even longer... when I'm in shape. Right now I'm in the worst shape of my mid-life. That running layoff turned me into a vegetable. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 42, "subject": "College basketball and March madness", "response_count": 55, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Mar 16, 1998 (16:57)", "body": "__________________________________________________________________ The Mercury Communications Group, Inc Presents... -= David Letterman's Top10 From 3/12/98 =- __________________________________________________________________ -= Top Ten Signs Your Team is Not Going To Win The NCAA Championship =- 10. Power forward was featured on Ricki Lake's \"Too Fat to Love?\" episode 9. Whenever someone does a lay-up, he burns his arm on his cigarette 8. Players always show up at away games exhausted from all the hitchhiking 7. The Las Vegas odds against your team involve the sign for infinity 6. Your center won't stand during the national anthem because he's too drunk 5. The only thing Dick Vitale can say about them is, \"These guys got a good grade point average, baby!\" 4. Players refuse to guard other team because they're all \"sticky and sweaty\" 3. Jesse Jackson is protesting against team for being \"too white\" 2. They pointedly inform interviewers that the correct term is \"little people,\" not \"midgets\" 1. Starting Center: Roger Ebert"}, {"response": 2, "author": "stacey", "date": "Tue, Mar 17, 1998 (09:18)", "body": "everyone's got a top ten list nowadays... (this was cute Paul)"}, {"response": 3, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (14:03)", "body": "It is a new season and I have just met the new UHHilo Basketball team. What a great bunch of guys! For the first time in years and years we have 14 guys I would like to bring home with me...sociable, polite, no attitude problems, and they helped clean up after the steak fry was over. This is a definite change from the personality problems we have had in the past from the inner-city bad-attitude players who came to play for us. It is gonna be a good season, whether or not we win many games...*happy smi e*"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (23:56)", "body": "UT is going to be having their \"Midnight Madness\" basketball kickoff pretty soon. They have a potential All America center this year in Chris Mimm, the 7'er."}, {"response": 5, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 11, 1999 (00:29)", "body": "Ours is this Friday, October 15th. None of our UHH players are in your league, but perhape Penn State might be...hope....hope. Thanks for creating Volleyball for me, Terry *hugs*"}, {"response": 6, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct 11, 1999 (01:37)", "body": "Everybody's is Oct. 15. That is the date the NCAA sets for the first \"official\" practice."}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 11, 1999 (13:10)", "body": "I suspected as much, but ours starts at 9:30pm (way late for us)... do we get some dispensation for being in the last time zone in the USA? (Other than Guam, that is)...or will we have to wait until midnight our time, as the rest did?"}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 12, 1999 (00:12)", "body": "There seem to be many teams in my immediate life which stinketh like the proverbial goatherd: Hawaii, Penn State and the unknown and unmentioned on Yahoo Sports or NCAA, UHHilo Vulcans. It is gonna be one of those seasons! No one has even heard of the PacWest conference. Pathetic!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (15:41)", "body": "The 10th annual Big Island Invitational Basketball Tournament (BIIBT) will be held this coming week Friday thru Sunday at the Hilo Civic Auditorium (also known as the Afook-Chinen). Cincinnati and U of Arkansas will be playing and their games will be televised on Fox Sports West on Saturday and on all Fox Sports nationally on Sunday 5pm our time (9pm Austin time). Maybe I will be on National TV since my place to sell T-shirts is just inside the foyer from the playing floor and I stand against the archwa to watch on occasion. I have seen myself on replays. Watch if you dare, but it is your chance to see where I hang out for the Basketball season. You will most certainly not see the UH-Hilo Vulcans play. We are not in their (Cincinnati's or Arkansas') bracket and the NCAA only allows a few exhibition games... But you will see my friends. I know just about every local who attends by name!"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (09:17)", "body": "What's the Saturday game time?"}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (13:39)", "body": "I'll let you know as soon as I know...I think it is the 5:30 HST (9:30 Austin Time)game which will be televised on Fox Sports West...and Sunday's championship game (almost certainly a match between Arkansas and Cincinnati) will be at 4:30pm HST (8:30 Austin Time)will also be televised on all Fox networks."}, {"response": 12, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (13:40)", "body": "Oh, and John will be calling the games. Yippee!!! He is excellent."}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (23:07)", "body": "Great!"}, {"response": 14, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (17:09)", "body": "John called his first (self-acknowledged) Championship game between two basketball powerhouses, Cincinnati and Iowa State at the conclusion of The Big Island Invitational. It was televised nationally by Fox Sports Network (a first for Hilo) The house was packed and the fans were into the game and the officiating. Cincinnati won 75-60. Arkansas defeated Santa Clara to claim 3rd place. Consolation went to Rhode Island who beat Mercer 65-59. In the earlier game for last place, UHHilo claimed the baseme t honors by losing to Cleveland State 74-77."}, {"response": 15, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (17:17)", "body": "Horns sink against Hawaii Brown scores 25 for Texas, but Rainbows take 78-74 victory in tournament final From news reports Posted: Nov. 29, 1999 Game box score HONOLULU -- Hawaii made six straight free throws in the final 57 seconds to hold off the University of Texas 78-74 Sunday night in the championship game of the Asahi Rainbow Wahine Classic, a women's basketball tournament played on the Hawaii campus. Forwards Raylene Howard and Kylie Galloway each scored 24 points for Hawaii (4-2). Texas (3-2) was led by senior guard Edwina Brown, the tournament's most valuable player. Brown scored 25 points and grabbed 10 rebounds, and she averaged 23 points in the three-game tournament. She also recorded 19 assists. ``We are way too reliant on Edwina Brown,'' said Texas Coach Jody Conradt. ``She put on a 'super woman' performance at this tournament, but we have to diversify and find our scoring punch inside.\" Texas trailed 72-60 with 3 minutes and 54 seconds to play, but scored nine unanswered points in a minute and a half. Sophomore guard Asha Hill sank two three-pointers in the run, and the second pulled the Horns within 72-69 with 2:19 to play. With about a minute to play, Hill fouled Hawaii guard Kyla Evers on a drive. Evers, an 85.5 percent free-throw shooter, missed both of her attempts, but she grabbed the rebound of her second miss and drew another foul. This time, Evers stepped to the line and sank both of her free throws to push Hawaii's lead to five points at 74-69. On UT's next possession, Brown hit a jumper and was fouled on the play, but could not make the free throw. Texas trailed by three, 74-71, with 49 seconds left. Evers drew another foul hit both free throws for a 76-71 lead with 33 seconds to play. Texas pulled within two, 76-74, with 25 seconds to go when Hill hit her fourth three-pointer of the game. UT then fouled Galloway with seven seconds left, and she made both shots for the final margin. The game's finish was in direct opposition to the Longhorns' semifinal victory on Saturday when UT used a 10-for-12 shooting effort from the foul line in the final 2:21 en route to its 78-73 win over Virginia. Hawaii became the first of Texas' five opponents to lead at halftime, as the Wahine enjoyed a 42-32 lead at intermission, thanks to a five-for-nine performance from 3-point range. Galloway had 15 first half points, including three three-pointers. ``We saw tonight how important it is to have 40 minutes of defensive intensity,'' noted Texas head coach Jody Conradt. ``Our young team still does not always understand that you create your offense off your defensive play, especially when you are struggling on the offensive side of the floor like we were tonight. We are way too reliant on Edwina Brown. She put on a ``superwomen'' performance at this tournament, but we have to diversify and find our scoring punch inside, something which is missing right now. Give credit to Hawaii, however. They are an extremely smart, heady team. We allowed them to set the pace in the game, and then Galloway and Howard really exploited us.'' Texas advanced to Sunday's Wahine Classic championship game with the decision over Virginia in the semifinals after defeating Long Beach State, 75-44, in Friday's opening round of action. Hawaii (4-2) reached the finals of its own tournament by upending Washington, 73-59 in Saturday's other semifinal contest in the eight-team tourney. The Rainbow Wahine won their own Classic for the fourth time in the tourney;'s 21-year history. The Longhorns finished the game shooting 41.7 percent from the floor (30-of-72), while Hawaii connected on 47.4 percent of its field goals (27-of-57). The Rainbow Wahine out-rebounded UT, 39-35. Texas was led by Brown's game-high tying 10 rebounds. Hawaii went to the free throw line 22 times, hitting 17 of them, while the Longhorns finished 9-for-14 from the foul line. Joining Brown in double-figure scoring for the Longhorns were Hill (a season-high 16 points) and junior forward JoRuth Woods (Cedar Hill, Texas./Cedar Hill HS) who had 11. Texas will return to action on Wednesday, December 1 when it hosts Southwest Texas State in a 7:00 p.m. game at the Frank Erwin Center in Austin. That game will be broadcast live on FOX Sports Southwest TV, will air live on 1300 the Sports Zone (KVET 1300 AM), and also will be broadcast on the internet at www.TexasSports.com."}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 30, 1999 (06:52)", "body": "Unfortunately, for Marci spotting, I missed the game live on Sunday night because I went to a party. I would have loved to have caught more of this awesome Hawaiian basketball action. And Tivo didnt' record the final game even though I though I programmed it."}, {"response": 17, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 30, 1999 (13:08)", "body": "Bummer - I made sure I was obvious and the security staff helped me as much as possible...oh well...next time. There will be a Big Island Invitational next year and we well go through the same exercises..."}, {"response": 18, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (17:07)", "body": ""}, {"response": 19, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (17:12)", "body": "USA Today/ESPN Top 25 College Basketball Coaches' Poll The USA TODAY/ESPN Coaches Top 25 college basketball coaches' poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through November 28, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Cincinnati (27) (3-0) 764 1 2. North Carolina (3) (3-0) 696 6 3. Stanford (1) (5-0) 685 7 4. Arizona (4-0) 648 9 5. Auburn (2-1) 610 3 6. Kansas (4-0) 585 11 7. Michigan St (3-1) 564 2 8. Connecticut (3-1) 534 7 9. Temple (1-1) 473 4 10. Florida (3-1) 445 5 11. Texas (4-0) 416 20 12. Kentucky (3-1) 413 10 13. UCLA (2-0) 391 12 14. Syracuse (3-0) 350 13 15. Duke (3-2) 318 15 16. Illinois (2-0) 281 16 17. Ohio St (0-1) 266 14 18. Tennessee (3-0) 220 18 19. Utah (1-1) 215 17 20. Depaul (3-1) 210 19 21. Purdue (2-1) 208 21 22. Oklahoma St (4-0) 196 23 23. Maryland (4-1) 147 22 24. Indiana (2-0) 119 NR 25. Miami Fla (2-0) 71 24 Dropped Out: No. 25 Gonzaga Others Receiving Votes: Gonzaga 64, Oklahoma 53, St Johns 39, Wake Forest 33, Tulsa 10, Xavier 10, Georgia Tech 6, Detroit Mercy 5, Mississippi 5, Delaware 4, Siena 4, California 3, Dayton 3, Georgetown 2, Murray St 2, No Carolina St 2, Kent 1, Louisville 1, NC Charlotte 1, Notre Dame 1, Samford 1."}, {"response": 20, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (17:18)", "body": "That poll makes no sense to me at all. Ohio State at(0-1) outranks Oklahoma State(4-0) by 4 places?! How does that work?!"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  5, 1999 (14:22)", "body": "Texas just lost a close game to Arizona, they may slip."}, {"response": 22, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec  5, 1999 (17:37)", "body": "I will post the rankings for this week as soon as they are updated. BTW, Nancy Thorpe has not fled from our midst - she is visiting relatives on the Mainland and will join us here to talk about her father (under Sports/Olympics I think...) as soon as she gets home in mid-December and signs up with my ISP rather than AOL who kept cutting her off. I am presently working on John, as well."}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  6, 1999 (08:50)", "body": "UT dropped just two spots, it's FL State and that other team in the final showdown."}, {"response": 24, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Dec  6, 1999 (12:09)", "body": "...in Basketball? Bummer!"}, {"response": 25, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec  8, 1999 (16:22)", "body": "Women's Basketball rankings (Look for 3 out of four of us at the bottom): ssociated Press Top 25 Women's College Basketball Poll The Associated Press Top 25 women's college basketball poll, with number of first-place votes and records in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through December 5, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Connecticut (41) (6-0) 1,097 1 2. Tennessee (2) (5-1) 1,045 3 3. Louisiana Tech (1) (5-1) 1,005 4 4. No Carolina St (7-0) 908 6 5. Georgia (9-1) 897 2 6. Auburn (5-0) 836 8 7. Notre Dame (4-1) 785 11 8. UCLA (2-2) 777 5 9. Iowa St (4-1) 694 12 10. Oregon (5-0) 648 13 11. North Carolina (5-2) 579 9 12. Texas Tech (5-0) 514 16 13. Rutgers (3-2) 496 7 14. Kansas (5-0) 481 18 15. LSU (5-1) 441 23 16. Penn St (4-2) 440 14 17. Illinois (5-3) 394 10 18. Purdue (5-1) 352 17 19. Arizona (5-0) 344 21 20. Duke (6-1) 304 22 21. Old Dominion (4-1) 291 19 22. Stanford (2-1) 258 20 23. Santa Barbara (4-3) 196 15 24. Virginia Tech (5-2) 130 25 25. Mississippi St (6-0) 77 NR Dropped Out: No. 24 Boston College, No. 25 Wisconsin Others Receiving Votes: Texas 67 , Wisconsin 62, Tulane 34, Boston College 26, Geo Washington 22, Arkansas 15, Marquette 12, Michigan 12, Kentucky 11, Michigan St 9, Florida 7, Texas A&M 7 , Virginia 6, St Louis 5, Xavier 5, Arkansas St 3, Nebraska 3, Hawaii 2 , Santa Clara 2, Colorado St 1. updated at Mon Dec 6 04:01:38 1999 PT"}, {"response": 26, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (20:25)", "body": "*Coconut Coast Classic* : UHHilo will host this 5th Annual AmeriSports Tournament on December19 through December 21 at the Civic. The Tournament begins on Sunday with three women's games: 10am = North Dakota vs Huntingdon. Noon = Southwest State vs Ashland. 2 pm = Augustana vs Gannon. Men's competition begins at 4pm with Ashland vs Truman State. 7pm = North Dakota vs UHHilo. Monday's games with the women's games first are: 9 am = North Dakota vs Ashland. 11 am = Southwest State vs Gannon. 1 pm = Huntingdon vs Augustana. Men's games follow at 3 pm = North Dakota vs Ashland. 5 pm = Nebraska-Omaha vs UHHilo. The Tournament ends with a single game on Tuesday 4 pm = Nebraska-Omaha vs Truman State. All Vulcan home games and those within the state of Hawaii will be carried on KPUA 670 AM radio with John Burnett calling the games. John will also be calling the games for Augustana during the upcoming Coconut Coast Classic Basketball Tournament via the Internet http://www.ksfs.com"}, {"response": 27, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (18:04)", "body": "When does the Great Alaska Shootout take place?"}, {"response": 28, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (18:51)", "body": "I think it was around Thanksgiving that the Great Alaska Shootout was held - or around Christmas - New Years. The Associated Press Top 25 college basketball poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through January 17, 2000) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Cincinnati (61) (16-1) 1,738 1 2. Arizona (4) (15-2) 1,657 2 3. Stanford (1) (14-1) 1,584 3 4. Auburn (3) (15-1) 1,543 4 5. Duke (13-2) 1,446 6 6. Syracuse (1) (14-0) 1,422 7 7. Kansas (14-2) 1,305 8 8. Connecticut (12-3) 1,177 5 9. Florida (13-2) 1,154 10 10. Michigan St (12-4) 1,137 11 11. Indiana (13-2) 1,061 9 12. Oklahoma St (13-1) 949 14 13. Ohio St (11-3) 822 17 14. Texas (11-4) 763 15 15. Tulsa (16-1) 751 19 16. Tennessee (15-2) 747 12 17. Oklahoma (14-2) 550 16 18. Kentucky (11-5) 471 20 19. St Johns (12-2) 455 NR 20. Vanderbilt (12-2) 317 NR 21. North Carolina (11-6) 272 13 22. Utah (13-3) 263 NR 23. Depaul (12-4) 200 21 24. Maryland (11-5) 186 18 25. UCLA (10-4) 166 NR Dropped Out: No. 22 Illinois, No. 23 Temple, No. 24 LSU, No. 25 Louisville Others Receiving Votes: No Carolina St 158, Temple 102, Michigan 68, Iowa St 56, St Bonaventure 49, LSU 30, Marquette 27, Gonzaga 22, Wake Forest 20, Kent 14, Purdue 13, USC 12, Illinois 9 , Oregon 9, Dayton 8, Arizona St 5, Louisville 4, San Francisco 3, New Mexico St 2, Seton Hall 2, Bowling Green 1. No mention of Penn State (surprise...), Texas A&M, nor Hawaii. I put Cincinnati in bold for Darlene who better come post here again soon... No mention of FSU or UAA either... Let me know if anyone else is rooting for a team I should be making bold. Terry is a huge Texas fan, I am of Texas A&M (don't ask), and Illinois is for Terry (who is an alum) and for John, who should have but we got him instead *grin*"}, {"response": 29, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Feb  9, 2000 (13:52)", "body": "Women's Collegiate Basketball Standings: ssociated Press Top 25 Women's College Basketball Poll The Associated Press Top 25 women's college basketball poll, with number of first-place votes and records in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through January 30, 2000) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Connecticut (44) (19-0) 1,100 1 2. Louisiana Tech (14-2) 1,038 2 3. Georgia (21-2) 1,019 3 4. Tennessee (16-3) 963 4 5. Notre Dame (17-2) 933 5 6. Penn St (18-3) 868 7 7. LSU (16-3) 742 12 8. Iowa St (15-3) 735 6 9. Texas Tech (16-2) 666 14 10. Rutgers (13-4) 633 13 11. No Carolina St (15-4) 623 8 12. Duke (18-3) 615 9 13. (tie) Auburn (16-4) 532 11 13. (tie) Santa Barbara (17-3) 532 15 15. UCLA (12-5) 444 10 16. Old Dominion (14-3) 374 16 17. Purdue (14-5) 370 17 18. Boston College (17-4) 348 19 19. Arizona (16-3) 333 18 20. Mississippi St (16-3) 283 20 21. Tulane (18-2) 273 22 22. Oklahoma (17-3) 208 23 23. Illinois (16-7) 185 21 24. Virginia (16-5) 155 25 25. Kansas (14-5) 89 NR Dropped Out: No. 24 Stanford Others Receiving Votes: Oregon 62, Texas 40 , Geo Washington 25, Stanford 25, Marquette 21, Sw Missouri St 21 , Kent 9, Xavier 9, St Josephs Pa 8, Michigan 7, Stephen Austin 6, Drake 2, Utah 2, Colorado St 1, Depaul 1."}, {"response": 30, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Feb  9, 2000 (13:56)", "body": "also considered: Northwestern St 9 , Utah 5, Michigan St 4, Vanderbilt 4, SMU 3, Fla Atlantic 2, Grambling 2, Vermont 2, Georgia 1, Hawaii 1 , Kent 1."}, {"response": 31, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Feb  9, 2000 (14:25)", "body": "Women's College Basketball Texas Longhorns Lady Horns on Internet broadcasting today: http://www.broadcast.com/sports/ncaa/texas/womensbasketball/listenpage_13_172_17333.html Texas at Kansas 2/9/00 7:30 PM CT"}, {"response": 32, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (13:20)", "body": "Look beyond high-profile teams for best coach by Mike DeCourcy You want a good argument next time you're sitting in a sports saloon watching a Big 12 game? Don't bring up the player of the year race. That won't even get you through one cold beverage and the length between TV timeouts. Player of the year? Kenyon Martin. Not much of a discussion. You could go the whole night, though, if you want to debate the identity of college basketball's coach of the year. That'll get you through a Big Monday tripleheader, if you've got that much time. You could include Mike Krzyzewski of Duke, Bob Huggins of Cincinnati, Jim Boeheim of Syracuse and Mike Montgomery of Stanford, who are doing their customary work with extremely gifted teams. But it's a more intriguing discussion if you go past the top few teams in the AP poll and consider the long, long list of candidates that dwell below that level: Tom Amaker, Seton Hall. The idea the Pirates are a year ahead of schedule may be a bit overworked, because really, would it have been reasonable to expect them to be this good next season? They will be younger in 2000-01 than they are now, which is pretty darned young. They lose a four-year point guard starter. Next year's team will have to hustle to match what this year's has accomplished already this season. There aren't many teams that run their offensive attack more crisply than the Pirates. They execute drive-and-kick plays masterfully, beating Syracuse and Rutgers in the space of three nights by drawing in the defense and making big jumpshots. Center Samuel Dalembert may be the most valuable 5-point scorer in the college game because of his shot-blocking and knack for creating extra possessions, but otherwise Seton Hall does not look like an imposing defensive team. By sticking to sound principles, though, the Pirates hold their opponents to .391 from the field. John Brady, LSU. Only a coach who's been around for an NCAA investigation -- which Brady has, even though he was not the coach during the alleged violations -- understands the obstacles an investigation creates. The Tigers were able to bring in guards Torris Bright and Lamont Roland and four other contributors in the past two recruiting classes, even with the threat or existence of NCAA probation looming over the program. More important, Brady has turned his team into a hungry, competitive group that plays with great passion and confidence when challenged. The Tigers' best games have come against some of their best opponents: Auburn and Arizona, which fell by a combined 41 points. Tom Crean, Marquette. In his first year as a head coach, Crean has the Golden Eagles at 13-8 and 6-4 in Conference USA, which may not be the best league in the country but is doubtless the most competitive. You need only to watch Marquette in a layup line to recognize what an amazing accomplishment this is. The Golden Eagles are too slow, not especially agile and not terribly big, but they managed to defeat DePaul and Louisville when they were ranked and also knocked off Xavier, Saint Louis and Southern Mississippi, which stand a combined 16 games over .500. There are six teams in C-USA's American Division, and the only question when predicting in the preseason the Golden Eagles would end up sixth was whether they were that good. Marquette is one of the nation's best defensive rebounding teams and holds opponents to just 61.4 points per game. No coach is getting more out of less than Crean. Larry Eustachy, Iowa State. For the Cyclones to arrive at 20 victories after playing only 23 games is nearly inconceivable. If you saw them walking through the airport, you might figure them for a soccer team. Their starting lineup goes 5-11, 6-1, 6-2, 6-4, 6-8. With that sort of size, they've lost only once since Dec. 1. Eustachy has elicited an All-American type effort from power forward Marcus Fizer and otherwise has structured an attack that makes maximum use of the talents on hand. The Cyclones thrive on Jamaal Tinsley's ability to break down the defense and the 3-point shooting of Michael Nurse (.406) and Kantrail Horton (.493). Their shot selection is so good that even without a true big man, they're shooting .496 from the field. They also defend against the break as well as any team in the nation, and the reason is clear if you watch them closely enough. Next time Horton or Nurse elevates to shoot a three, watch the other two guards immediately sprint back to the opposite foul line and the shooter take off for midcourt. No one's getting easily through such a defense, and that's to Eusatchy's credit. Bob Knight, Indiana. He's finally got a group of players who want to do things his way and -- what do you know? -- his way still works pretty well. Although the Hoosiers only have a few scoring threats -- guard A.J. Guyton and center Kirk Haston -- they manage 80 points a game. Without a true shotblocker, IU permits opponents to shoot just .375 from the floor. Minnesota's Joel Przybilla showed this"}, {"response": 33, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (17:50)", "body": "USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Women's College Basketball Poll The USA Today/ESPN Top 25 women's college basketball coaches' poll, with number of first-place votes and records in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through February 13, 2000) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Connecticut (25) (22-1) 977 1 2. Georgia (10) (24-2) 954 2 3. Tennessee (4) (21-3) 927 3 4. Louisiana Tech (1) (19-2) 900 4 5. Notre Dame (21-2) 828 5 6. Penn St (20-3) 795 6 7. No Carolina St (20-4) 721 8 8. Texas Tech (19-3) 653 7 9. (tie) Iowa St (18-4) 594 9 9. (tie) LSU (19-4) 594 10 11. Rutgers (16-5) 573 11 12. Duke (19-4) 568 12 13. Santa Barbara (21-3) 521 13 14. Arizona (20-3) 502 14 15. Auburn (18-5) 436 15 16. Old Dominion (18-4) 429 16 17. Purdue (17-6) 278 19 18. Mississippi St (18-5) 271 17 19. Boston College (19-6) 215 18 20. Oklahoma (20-4) 202 22 21. Tulane (21-3) 183 24 22. Virginia (19-6) 180 21 23. UCLA (13-7) 132 20 24. Kansas (17-6) 85 23 25. Marquette (20-4) 84 NR Dropped Out: No. 25 Illinois Others Receiving Votes: Geo Washington 76, Illinois 55, Michigan 40, Sw Missouri St 37, Stanford 30, Xavier 26, Stephen Austin 20, Drake 17, St Josephs Pa 14, Texas 13, Clemson 11, Kent 9, Oregon 9, Utah 8, Northwestern St 6, Arkansas St 5, Western Mich 5, Colorado St 3, Georgia St 3, Grambling 3, Hawaii 3, SMU 2, Oregon St 1, Vanderbilt 1, Vermont 1."}, {"response": 34, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (07:24)", "body": "Wow, Texas Women no where in sight."}, {"response": 35, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (11:48)", "body": "The men are, though...Posting that next. Penn State men are no where in sight - not even on the almost category at the bottom of the list. Where os TAMU??!!"}, {"response": 36, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (14:05)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 College Basketball Poll - MEN The Associated Press Top 25 college basketball poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through February 13, 2000) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Cincinnati (66) (23-1) 1,768 1 2. Stanford (5) (21-1) 1,707 2 3. Duke (19-3) 1,574 3 4. Arizona (21-4) 1,519 7 5. Tennessee (21-3) 1,461 8 6. Michigan St (18-6) 1,343 6 7. Ohio St (17-4) 1,324 5 8. Oklahoma St (20-2) 1,263 14 9. Syracuse (20-2) 1,221 4 10. Indiana (18-4) 1,023 10 11. Florida (18-5) 984 12 12. Auburn (19-4) 924 9 13. Tulsa (22-2) 902 15 14. Iowa St (21-3) 811 17 15. Temple (18-4) 747 19 16. LSU (19-4) 649 25 17. Texas (17-6) 645 18 18. Connecticut (17-6) 602 13 19. Kentucky (17-7) 543 11 20. Oklahoma (19-4) 528 16 21. Utah (19-4) 359 21 22. Maryland (17-7) 271 23 23. Seton Hall (18-4) 240 NR 24. Kansas (18-6) 216 20 25. Purdue (17-7) 144 NR Dropped Out: No. 22 Vanderbilt, No. 24 Oregon Others Receiving Votes: Oregon 143, Vanderbilt 77, North Carolina 25, UNLV 15, Gonzaga 10, St Johns 7, Dayton 6, Kent 5, Illinois 4, Miami Fla 4, UL Lafayette 2, Navy 2, Utah St 2, Louisville 1, No Carolina St 1, Pepperdine 1, SMU 1, USC 1."}, {"response": 37, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (18:53)", "body": "Woo Hoo!!! John's (late)Father's alma mater made it to The Big Dance! Southeast Missouri State University at Cape Girardeau is in the final 64."}, {"response": 38, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Mar  5, 2000 (19:06)", "body": "Southeast Missouri State earns first NCAA bid SKIP LATT, Associated Press Writer NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Mike Branson scored 21 points to lead Southeast Missouri State to a 67-56 victory over Murray State on Sunday in the championship game of the Ohio Valley Conference tournament and the Indians' first NCAA tournament berth. The loss ended Murray State's three-year run as league champion, including last season's buzzer-beating win over the Indians. The Indians put the clamps on Murray State guard Aubrey Reese, holding the OVC's player of the year to three points on 1-of-18 shooting. It was Reese's last-second shot that handed the Racers the 62-61 win in last year's championship game. Southeast Missouri took control of the game with defense, holding the Racers to six points over the final 8:30. Michael Stokes gave the Indians (24-6) the lead for good, breaking a 50-50 tie with a jumper with 8:02 left to play. Murray State (23-9) closed within 54-52 on a basket by Aaron Page but would add only one more basket and two free throws the rest of the way. A 3-pointer by Branson upped the Southeast Missouri lead to 57-52 with 4:01 remaining. That was the Indians' last field goal, but they converted 10 of 12 free throws in the final minute to seal their NCAA bid. Isaac Spender topped Murray State with 25 points and nine rebounds. Roderick Johnson added 14 points for Southeast Missouri, while Antonio Short had 13 and Stokes 10."}, {"response": 39, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (20:44)", "body": "I know no one cares for the NIT but Penn State just beat Sienna 105 - 103 and will play Kent in the semi-finals on Wednesday. I am overjoyed. The Lady Lions are also winners in the Big Ladies Dance (or should that be, the Ladies Big Dance?!)"}, {"response": 40, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar 22, 2000 (20:12)", "body": "Penn State 81 Kent 74"}, {"response": 41, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (11:28)", "body": "http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/mike_decourcy/20000326.html Utes make a point to fill the point by Mike DeCourcy Well-traveled point guard Travis Spivey, previously at Georgia Tech and Iowa State, will take his crack at solving the point guard vacancy that hurt Utah's chances to excel this season. Spivey spent the year at Salt Lake Community College and made a verbal commitment to join the Utes in 2000-01. . . . Iowa State will not get to add 6-11 center Ernest Brown next season. A New York native who played this year at Indian Hills CC in Iowa, he signed a letter of intent in the fall but is not expected to enroll and likely will enter the NBA draft. . . . A member of Georgia Tech point guard Tony Akins' family has made telephone calls to some Division I schools to gauge their interest in accepting Akins as a transfer. He averaged 11.5 points and 3.6 assists as a sophomore this season. . . . Murray State is investigating the possibility of gaining a fourth year of eligibility for star forward Isaac Spencer, who led the Racers to the NCAA Tournament in two of his three seasons. . . . San Diego State has expressed interest in former Georgetown point guard Kenny Brunner, who spent this season at the College of Southern Idaho. . . . Before Naismith Trophy winner Kenyon Martin of Cincinnati broke his leg earlier this month, he planned on competing in the Nike Desert Classic pre-draft event for top seniors, even though it was clear he would be chosen among the first few picks. He obviously did not have an agent when he returned the materials to the NBA Scouting Service indicating his intention to play -- an agent likely would have recommended against it -- but the pro scouts were impressed by his desire to compete. . . . Michigan State does not look like it is going away for a while. While the Spartans were playing Iowa State in the NCAA Midwest Regional final, their two top recruits were playing for state titles. Guard Marcus Taylor led Lansing's Waverly High into the Michigan state title game, and power forward Zach Randolph and Marion High met Bloomington North in the Indiana championship. . . . Center Darius Mancell of Detroit's Pershing High has attracted the attention of Ohio State, which had success turning the similarly built Ken Johnson into a Big Ten star. Mancell might not be ready to contribute immediately at a high-major level."}, {"response": 42, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (11:47)", "body": "Marchups for the Mens Final Four Michigan State vs U of North Carolina Florida vs Wisconsin Women's Regional championship game Penn State vs Lousiana Tech Men's NIT Penn State vs Notre Dame North Carolina State vs Wake Forest Women's NIT Championship game Florida vs Wisconsin"}, {"response": 43, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (20:39)", "body": "Women's Regional championship game Penn State 86 Lousiana Tech 65 Penn State goes to the final four in Philadelphia and plays UConn on Friday."}, {"response": 44, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (22:19)", "body": "Boo, I like Leon Barmore's La Tech."}, {"response": 45, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (23:02)", "body": "Sorry about that. We played better than they did. From the outset. Why does no one care for Penn State? Have we offended you in some way?"}, {"response": 46, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (23:03)", "body": "Btw, I am very protective and loyal to those I love."}, {"response": 47, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (08:54)", "body": "Nothing agin' Penn State, I just like La Tech because they seem to have a good program year after year, and their coach looks like a caricature of Walter Mathau. Now what better reason could you have than that?"}, {"response": 48, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (12:05)", "body": "A pretty and articulate lady coach who is not a butch member of the male-haters. She always looks lovely, speaks well, and gets as enthusiastic as any other coach while remaining dignified. You like funny-looking coaches? There are jillions of them in men's basketball (Tarkanian for one). PS has not gotten much press (what else is new) so you have no idea how good the program is or isn't. The have been consistently in the top 10 for years now...and that's about all you hear about them! Check them out...for me, if for nothing else. We won yesterday because we played the better game."}, {"response": 49, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (12:06)", "body": "Rene (ReeNee, remember)Portland qualifies as a babe, btw. My opinion, as a woman, but not on my list *grin*"}, {"response": 50, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Wed, Mar 29, 2000 (03:02)", "body": "Pat Summit is a great coach. She gets Tenn. in there year after year."}, {"response": 51, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (13:31)", "body": "NCAA Approves Rule Changes Indianapolis, IN (Sports Network) - The NCAA Division I board of directors unanimously approved rules changes Thursday, including a rule that would eliminate mens summer recruiting in 2002. Penn State president Graham Spanier, the chairman of the board of directors explained, \"The board is eliminating summer basketball environments as we now know it.\" Spanier continued, \"We will scale back in 2001, then we will replace it in 2002.\" Coaches are currently allowed 24 days of recruiting during the summer, including attending basketball camps sponsored by shoe manufacturers such as Nike and Adidas. The NCAA cant prohibit the camps from happening, but can disallow the coaches from being present. The rule changes have the possibility of being overturned by the membership, but that is not likely. The board of directors also decided to put together a basketball issues committee, headed by Syracuse chancellor Kenneth Shaw. Their first line of business will be to design a new approach for the summer recruiting in 2002. Also approved was a rule that would allow mens and womens basketball recruits to receive scholarships to attend summer school classes before their first semester. The NCAA will provide $3 million per year to provide up to 50-percent of an institutions cost. The board also approved a two-tier system for punishing student athletes engaged in sports gambling. The first tier would be for those who try to influence the outcome of a game, influence a games scoring margin, solicit or accept a bet or take part in any form of gambling involving games played by their school. Violators would permanently lose eligibility in all sports. The second-tier would involve the rest of the gamblers who solicit or accept a bet in any gambling activity involving intercollegiate athletics or professional athletics. The violators will be ineligible for all regular and post-season competition for at least a year and will lose a year of eligibility. The board approved legislation that would not allow midyear transfers to be eligible for competition until the following academic year. This rule includes both two and four year schools."}, {"response": 52, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, May 15, 2000 (20:37)", "body": "Indiana Coach Bobby Knight Put on Warning INDIANAPOLIS (Reuters) - Indiana University on Monday punished volatile basketball coach Bob Knight and said he will be fired if he engages in any more ``abusive and embarrassing behavior'' in the aftermath of a taped incident where he appeared to grab a player by the neck. University President Myles Brand said Knight would be suspended for three games in the upcoming 2000-2001 season and docked $30,000 in pay. Knight, 59, has won three national titles and 11 Big Ten crowns during his 29 years at Indiana a career punctuated by a legendary temper that has exploded in verbal locker room scaldings and courtside chair-tossing antics. On March 23 Brand ordered an investigation into allegations by a former player, Neil Reed, that Knight grabbed him by the throat during a practice in 1997. Brand told a news conference that the actions against Knight will send a ``clear message'' that ``abusive and embarrassing behavior will not be tolerated,'' adding that it was a ``zero tolerance'' policy."}, {"response": 53, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 22, 2000 (12:19)", "body": "The Big Island Invitational Basketball Tournament starts on Firday which means that I get Thanksgiving dinner at the pre-tournament banquet watching half-naked male Hawaiian dancers gyrate just overhead (they sit me next to the stage!) What I won't do for sports!!! Teams participating are Tulane, Oklahoma, Oregon State, Appalachian State, Montana State, San Francisco, and UH Hilo. I am sure we will be gracious hosts and lose to everyone! Happy Thanksgiving all - Hauoli La Ho'omaika'i"}, {"response": 54, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 22, 2000 (12:38)", "body": "Ignorance equals heartache, not bliss by Dave Kindred The best writing provokes thought, not always happy thought. Such a piece of writing appeared last week in the Huntington (W.Va.) Herald-Dispatch. Sports columnist Ernie Salvatore began: \"After 30 years, a remarkable juxtaposition has occurred. The Marshall plane crash was reborn this week as a national news story from its old status as an overlooked football footnote. \"So, the attention after 360 months of struggle with closure here has been refreshing. Oddly, ESPN's 'Remembering Marshall: Thirty Years Later,' and PBS' 'Ashes to Glory' premiere Sunday at the Keith-Albee Theater, didn't reopen old wounds. Neither did nightmares reoccur. The flashbacks of faces and scenes, locked in the time warp of autumn 1970, were as healing as psychological releases. \"Now, the whole world knows, or should, that what the media had been stubbornly ignoring for 360 months -- the Marshall 'mystique' -- wasn't a typical rah-rah college town-and-gown love affair with a football team. Hatched here in The Great Depression, the plane crash gave it a dimension that, only now, is being expanded in its rediscovery. \"But it wasn't always thus . . .\" Here Salvatore yields his space to a column written six days after the crash by Jay Searcy, then the sports editor of The Chattanooga (Tenn.) Times. Searcy first railed against the absence of national media covering the tragedy. Washington, New York and Chicago had reporters there. \"And that's about it,\" Searcy said. The big-time sports columnists whose presence 30 years ago gave significance to an event weren't there. Searcy named seven of the time's most prominent sportswriters -- all absent. \"Sports Illustrated wasn't even there,\" Searcy wrote. \"You know why?\" Then he delivered an insight so brilliant it hurts. \"Because it was Marshall -- struggling, little-known, unranked, kicked-around Marshall, whose student body stayed up all night celebrating when the team finally ended a losing streak after 27 games. \"Do you know when the president of the United States (Richard Nixon) got around to sending a telegram of sympathy to Marshall University? Late Tuesday night (three days after the crash). It was an afterthought. Maybe it doesn't surprise you, but it surprised me that the majority of football-playing colleges in this nation didn't bother to send Marshall a note or anything.\" The plane crash killed 70 passengers: players, coaches, students, administrators. It remains the greatest tragedy in American athletic history. Yet, when it happened, it was mostly ignored because -- here is the shameful truth made clear by Searcy -- it wasn't Notre Dame going down, it wasn't Alabama, it wasn't the New York Yankees. It was Marshall, which was, in the national media, a nowhere team from a nowhere place, so who cares? That was my first year as a sports columnist. I worked in Louisville, Ky., maybe 125 miles from Huntington. I didn't write a word about the Marshall plane crash. The week of the memorial services, I was on the road with the Kentucky Colonels, a professional basketball team. The things we do when we're young and stupid. Dave Kindred is a contributing writer for The Sporting News."}, {"response": 55, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 29, 2000 (17:24)", "body": "College Basketball Odds - November 29, 2000 FAVORITE LINE UNDERDOG at Virginia 10 Purdue at Kent 7 1/2 St. Bonaventure at Toledo 4 1/2 Detroit at E. Michigan 8 Wis.-Green Bay at Michigan St. 6 1/2 North Carolina at Providence 5 Fla. International at Dayton 2 Cincinnati at Florida St. Pk Minnesota at Ill.-Chicago 6 N. Illinois at St. Joseph's 12 Old Dominion at Drake 3 Cent. Michigan Indiana 2 at Indiana St. at Saint Louis Pk California Maryland 3 Wisconsin-x SMU 4 at New Mexico St. at N.C. State 5 Penn St. at Arizona 13 1/2 Gonzaga San Diego 3 1/2 at UC Irvine at Nevada 8 1/2 Arkansas St. Washington St. 4 at Idaho at UCLA 19 UC Santa Barbara at San Jose St. 1 1/2 Santa Clara x-at Milwaukee sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 43, "subject": "Houston Astros", "response_count": 13, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Fri, Jul  3, 1998 (02:28)", "body": "YYYYEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!! (thanks terry)"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jul  3, 1998 (08:08)", "body": "So what's your interestin the 'stros?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Fri, Jul  3, 1998 (08:14)", "body": "finally... the sporting world's greatest, most storied franchise can take it's rightful god-given place at the spring's table (the head of it, i trust)... Greatest Astros (all-time) (which by extension of course means Greatest Players (all-time)) 1B... jeff bagwell bob watson (resv.) 2B... craig biggio joe morgan (resv.) 3B... doug rader (\"the rooster\") ken caminiti (resv.) SS... dickie thon denis menke (resv.) C.... alan ashby johnny edwards (resv.) (i know he was a cardinal, terry... but he finished his career in houston... and he was a hell of a player) OF... jose cruz cesar cedeno derek bell moises alou (resv.) jimmy wynn (resv.) rusty staub (resv.) starting pitchers: james rodney richard; nolan ryan; larry dierker; don wilson; joe niekro; mike scott relief pitchers: joe sambito; dave smith; fred gladding; billy wagner manager: larry dierker (naturally)"}, {"response": 4, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Fri, Jul  3, 1998 (18:21)", "body": "(from this week's Baseball Weekly): (the Mighty) Houston Astros The Astros reached the midway point of the season at 49-32 \ufffd the second-best record after 81 games in club history. The best start in franchise history was 50-31 by the 1979 club. ''We've got a long way to go, but getting to the halfway mark in first place and being able to do so with some of the injuries we've had. . . . Obviously, I'm pleased,'' manager Larry Dierker said. \ufffd Astros' right-hander Chris Holt is out for the season. Holt, who hasn't pitched since last season because of rotator-cuff problems, had surgery Monday. ''There was no structural damage, just some tightness, but he's going to need lengthy rehab,'' general manager Gerry Hunsicker said. ''That being the case, he won't be back this year.'' Holt made 32 starts last year and pitched 2092/3 innings. He has been on the disabled list since spring training because of surgery to repair a frayed rotator cuff in November. ''We had initially hoped he might be back in time to help us in August or September,'' Dierker said. ''That's out of the question now.'' \ufffd Scott Elarton will likely head back to Triple-A New Orleans after giving up five runs in six innings Thursday at Colorado. Dierker had indicated Elarton had a chance to stick around following his strong showing against Cincinnati earlier this week, but Hunsicker said otherwise. ''We have five starters doing a good job,'' Hunsicker said. ''Unless another starter gets hurt, we're not going to need (Elarton) right now.'' Mike Hampton is expected to come off the disabled list Tuesday. Barring any injuries, Elarton will probably not rejoin the team until September. \ufffd The Astros reacquired outfielder Ken Ramos from the Minnesota organization and assigned him to Triple-A New Orleans."}, {"response": 5, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Fri, Jul  3, 1998 (18:27)", "body": "T E A M \ufffd N O T E B O O K From Pro Sports Xchange -- July 2, 1998 INSIDE PITCH Just call them the Monsters of Murworth Street. They lead the league in hitting and runs scored and they've scored 48 runs in their last four games. Their lead in the National League Central Division is at season-high seven games. Even long-time Houston observers cannot remember a Houston team with as much firepower as the Astros have shown this season. \"This franchise has usually been known for pitching and defense, but this team certainly should be considered as more of an offensive team first and defense second based on what we've seen during the first half (of the season),\" manager Larry Dierker said. Chicago White Sox manager Jerry Manuel, who saw his team outscored 27-6 in back-to-back losses to the Astros, raved over Houston's offense. \"One through eight they're as impressive as any team I've seen in a while,\" Manuel said. \"They have got some bats on that team, and they're swinging them real well right now.\" The Astros, who hit .294 during June, saw every starting position player record at least one hit and score at least one run Tuesday, then have six of eight turn the trick Wednesday night against the White Sox. \"Our offense can't perform any better than it has been these last few days,\" manager Larry Dierker said. \"This is the kind of stretch where you sit back and enjoy and hope it continues.\" The Astros have been scoring at a healthy pace all season, but lately they've picked up the pace and a big reason has been the hitting of Moises Alou and Jeff Bagwell. Those two have seven homers combined in their last three games, including four in 11 at bats by Alou. Bagwell, who hit only .234 in May, is hitting .340 since May 30 with 11 homers and 30 runs batted in. \"Those two hitting like they are it's hard to pitch around both of them,\" Dierker said. \"You've got to face one or the other, and usually lately Craig (Biggio) or Derek (Bell) has been on base in front of them, and with the way Carl Everett has been hitting behind them. I wouldn't want to pitch to them. Right now the lineup is doing what we'd hoped it would do when we put it together.\" And the Astros are putting it together. Big time. \"It's a shame we're having the (All-Star) break now,\" Alou said. \"This is a lot of fun.\" BY THE NUMBERS: 301 -- The number of at bats it has been since Ricky Gutierrez hit his last home run. QUOTE TO NOTE: \"I said to (plate umpire Gerry Davis) what was I supposed to do, grab you and tag the runner with you?\" -- Astros catcher Brad Ausmus after a wild pitch bounced into Davis' pocket Wednesday night, allowing Chicago's Ray Durham to score from third. NOTES, QUOTES, ANECDOTES Derek Bell was left off the All-Star team again despite hitting .331 with 11 homers and 60 runs batted in. \"I've been snubbed before but I don't worry about it, it's out of my hands,\" Bell said. \"I may not be an All-Star, but I feel like I'm an All-Star in this community. I'm not going to get mad about it, it's just one of those things that happens. I didn't make it two years ago but the managers voted me on their All-Underrated team. I take pride in that.\" Craig Biggio was voted in as the starting second baseman and Moises Alou was added as a reserve. \"In truth I was looking forward to going home,\" Alou said. \"But it's an honor. It will be a chance to see some of my old teammates.\" Left-hander Billy Wagner was hit on the left ankle with a line drive off the bat of Chicago's Mike Cameron during the ninth inning Wednesday. Wagner had the ankle iced down after the game. \"It will be sore tomorrow for sure, but I don't think it's anything more serious than a bruise,\" Wagner said. No one on the Astros had ever seen anything like it. It happened during Wednesday night's game against the Chicago White Sox. With Ray Durham at third and Frank Thomas hitting Houston pitcher Doug Henry uncorked a wild pitch in the dirt. The ball bounced up and landed in plate umpire Gerry Davis' front shirt pocket while catcher Brad Ausmus scrambled around looking for the ball. Durham raced home before Ausmus finally located the ball. \"I was yelling 'It's in his pocket, it's in his pocket,\" Henry said. \"Then I stopped yelling because I figured it was a dead ball. But when the crowd started booing I knew it wasn't a dead ball.\" Davis said he didn't see the ball at first but under the rules, if a ball gets caught in his equipment the runner is awarded one base. \"He made the right call,\" Ausmus said. \"I guess had I known where the ball was I could have grabbed it and tagged him but I didn't see it. I've never seen anything like that.\" Neither had the Astros. \"No one in the dugout had seen anything like that before,\" manager Larry Dierker said. The Astros went over the one million mark in home attendance Wednesday night. It took them 39 dates. The quickest Houston went over the one million mark was 1980 (34 dates) and the second-fastest was 1965, the year the Astrodome opened, when it took 38 dat"}, {"response": 6, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Mon, Jul  6, 1998 (14:49)", "body": "this current (championship) season is the astros 37th, since their inauguration saved the national league (all of baseball, really), lo so many years ago (in 1962)... few people realize this- and many that do still find it nearly impossible to believe- but... the houston astros have NEVER WON A WORLD SERIES... never... as in... well, NEVER... (never even participated in a world series, actually) (well, at least not until the conclusion of this- doubtless- current championship season)... HOW CAN THIS BE??????? how can this franchise- the most hallowed in all of professional sports, known to move the most jaded and impartial of baseball-lovers (like me, for example) to firth-like revery- have never achieved what is regarded as the pinnacle of achievement in their sport? i have several theories... 1) BAD SCOREKEEPING... i am convinced that this little-known deficiency has cost my boys a minimum 10-12 games per season since their inception... (it is outrageous, and something must be done)... 2) MILO HAMILTON.... has ANY team milo broadcast for even played in a world series (while he was with them, i mean)? (braves, cubs, white sox, etc...?) is milo the Kiss of Death? 3) ROAD GAMES... do you realize that since the national league adopted the 162 game schedule, the astros have been compelled to play an average of EIGHTY-ONE road games PER SEASON? this is terribly unfair... and... and outrageous, even... and something must be done... 4) THE CURSE OF THE DOG... joaquin andujar... (need i say more?)... referring to this loopiest of latin fruit loops, sparky anderson said, \"every dog has his day\"... we've been having our's for more than twenty years now, and i'm getting sick of it... maybe if joaquin could somehow be located... a ritual sacrifice, perhaps... to appease the baseball gods (specifically the god in charge of the astro's account, i.e., the God of the Whammy)... i dunno, i'm up for it if anyone else is... 5) IT'S ALL BEEN A BAD DREAM... think this's the excuse- explanation- i actually give most credence to... i'm asleep... these past thirty-some years are only a manifestation of my baser fears... a lurid and fantastic dream... the astros have won 15 world series... 5 in a row... only i'm not (fully) aware of this... cause i'm sleeping, you know? (i'm sure of it)"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jul  6, 1998 (15:43)", "body": "Wake up, snap out of it! If the Stros can only get past the Braves and Yankees..."}, {"response": 8, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Mon, Jul  6, 1998 (21:37)", "body": "afraid we're a quality starter away from getting past either of those guys... (hmmmm... wonder if todd stottlemeyer's available?)... QUOTE TO NOTE: \"Go to Austin and swim, catch some rays and do nothing.\" -- Astros manager Larry Dierker when asked how he would spend the All-Star break. NOTES, QUOTES ANECDOTES"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jul  6, 1998 (21:41)", "body": "He picked a great place to swim and do nothing. (unabashedly, he said)."}, {"response": 10, "author": "osceola", "date": "Fri, Aug 28, 1998 (12:09)", "body": "The Big Unit trade was a work of genius, even if he'll only be around half a season. I'm really a life-long White Sox fan, but since I've been living in Texas, the Stros have become my second team. They're also in the same division with the Cubs, a team I have always despised, so that gives me all the more reason to root for them. I hope the Cubs blow their shot at the wild card. If the Astros finish really big, they won't have to face the Braves in the first round."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 28, 1998 (16:13)", "body": "Braves in the first round would not be good. But they have to face the music eventually. The home run race has been eclipsing the pennant race this year. Looks like Sosa or McGwire will break the record soon."}, {"response": 12, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Wed, Oct  7, 1998 (17:33)", "body": "it was all just a very very bad dream there are no houston astros there is no baseball these are each only figments haunting my conciousness (this is how i'm able to carry on)"}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  8, 1998 (13:22)", "body": "Well gee, the Padres and the Indians won yesterday. So don't say Braves and Yanks is a foregone conclusion. The Indians always hang around. Buh bye Cubbies. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 44, "subject": "Droolworthy Sports Figures", "response_count": 66, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, Nov 26, 1997 (00:24)", "body": "Sportsmistress Marilyn...where shall we begin? I can think of three or four that would do very nicely. BTW, I just love the number of this topic! LOL! :-D"}, {"response": 2, "author": "Marilyn", "date": "Wed, Nov 26, 1997 (13:16)", "body": "LMAO!!! So appropriate, isn't it Nan?? I love this topic!!! Hmmmm... I'd like to start with a certain dangerous , goateed Brazilian, but I don't know how to insert an image into a message - help me Nan!!"}, {"response": 3, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, Nov 26, 1997 (21:19)", "body": "(Marilyn) I'd like to start with a certain dangerous, goateed Brazilian, Good choice...works for me. but I don't know how to insert an image into a message - help me Nan!! Send me the photos by email and I'll stick them in my file. After that I'll give you the URLs and you can post them to your heart's content, dearest ;-)"}, {"response": 4, "author": "Suzanne1", "date": "Mon, Dec  1, 1997 (23:32)", "body": "Forgive me for placing such a larghe phot but I had to. Jacques Villeneuve is definately droolworthy, and I hope you will agree with me onec you see his picture. I love car racing, Jacques drives in Formula 1, and he is currently my biggest celebrity crush, enjoythe picture ladies:) I hope this works, sorry if it didn't."}, {"response": 5, "author": "Suzanne1", "date": "Mon, Dec  1, 1997 (23:34)", "body": "Sorry for the really bad typing in the previous post, I swear I can spell properly :)"}, {"response": 6, "author": "nan", "date": "Tue, Dec  2, 1997 (11:03)", "body": "Suzanne! My, oh, my! *sluuurp* It took a little while to load, but it was worth the wait. ;-) I just love a clean man! Marilyn, dearest--it looks as though you've found another kindred spirit. Suzanne, here's Marilyn's favorite Brazilian: Dontcha just love his lips? ;-)..."}, {"response": 7, "author": "nan", "date": "Tue, Dec  2, 1997 (11:08)", "body": "And, of course, my favorite (the big, mean one on the left ;-p) ..."}, {"response": 8, "author": "Suzanne1", "date": "Tue, Dec  2, 1997 (15:20)", "body": "Well sports lovers you two have great taste. Please enlighten me as to who the Brazilian is, he looks like he is in racing garb? Am I right? And a hockey lover, well besides racing hockey is definately a favorite of mine."}, {"response": 9, "author": "Marilyn", "date": "Tue, Dec  2, 1997 (20:06)", "body": "Villeneuve Lord, Suzanne - I had no idea Jacques was so built under that racing uniform - gotta love those arms! The last time I saw him he had bleached his hair snow white - is this a recent photo?? Thanks for sharing - he's beautiful! Who else makes you happy?? ;-) Fittipaldi That lovely Brazilian boy Nan so graciously posted is Christian Fittipaldi - in fact, he used to race with Jacques before he left CART for F1. He has a nice butt to match those lips... Messier Ooooh, Nan, the \"wet dream\" photo (aka, \"legs\") - could we have a better start for \"69\"??? Thanks, dearest, that beautiful beast always makes me swoon (betcha didn't know that, did you??) LOL!! Nan, since Suzanne likes hockey, could I bribe you to post a photo of Joe?? Yum!"}, {"response": 10, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, Dec  3, 1997 (01:45)", "body": "MESSIER (Marilyn) Ooooh, Nan, the \"wet dream\" photo (aka, \"legs\") - could we have a better start for \"69\"??? I can think of nothing mor appropriate ;-D Thanks, dearest, that beautiful beast always makes me swoon (betcha didn't know that, did you??) LOL!! I'm very delighted that you see the same raw beauty I do (many don't). But he's mine and I have it in writing! LOL! ;-D Nan, since Suzanne likes hockey, could I bribe you to post a photo of Joe?? Yum! Bribe? Certainly not--all you need do is ask, dearest ;-) As always, we are of the same mind my friend--I happened to scan a little Joe photo today (along with a few others). Enjoy! The excellent (and quite adorable) Mr. Sakic... The great, Pat LaFontaine (aka the biggest eyeballs in the NHL) :-D And this little gem I found in an old Hockey News--made me want to weep ;-("}, {"response": 11, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, Dec  3, 1997 (01:53)", "body": "Oh, that last one gives me the tingles...\"Mount Rushmore smiling\" *BIG PANT* Marilyn dearest, do you want a hard copy of that one? I made one for myself and the color copier did beautiful things to it...yet another thing to frame for the bathroom walls! LOL! :-) Oh, one more before I pack it in for the night. Mess with more hair and a really bad attitude. YUM!;-D"}, {"response": 12, "author": "nan", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (10:59)", "body": "Marilyn, dear--I found another little Joe photo--"}, {"response": 13, "author": "Marilyn", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (15:33)", "body": "Joe, Pat, Mess & Wayne Oh, Nan, Joe is so pretty (sigh)--and that boulevardier is just plain scary --especially with attitude--SLUUURP! Many thanks, and yes, dearest, a hard copy of the darling duo (sob) would be much appreciated!! :-) I have to say the great Pat is registering with me lately - it's the eyes and those fabulous eyelashes, and I didn't realize he had such a nice chin till now. I just hope he keeps that cute head attached this year. ;-) Thanks for the great NHL eye orgy!! ;-D Now, let's not leave the NHL till we see the gorgeous Mike Modano - can you help me Nan?? ;-)"}, {"response": 14, "author": "Suzanne1", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (16:54)", "body": "Mike Modano I picked this up for you Marily, I hope you enjoy it :)"}, {"response": 15, "author": "nan", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (16:57)", "body": "JOE (Marilyn) Oh, Nan, Joe is so pretty (sigh) And sweaty...very important ;-p I have to say the great Pat is registering with me lately - it's the eyes and those fabulous eyelashes, and I didn't realize he had such a nice chin till now. I just hope he keeps that cute head attached this year. ;-) Shhhhh!!! We don't want to jinx him. Hockey fnas are the most notoriously superstitious people on the planet ;-D While I completely understand the appeal, Pat's not really my type. Then again, he could look like the hind end of a baboon for all I care--when you're that talented it makes no difference to me. All that matters is that he keeps scoring and stays healthy. Thanks for the great NHL eye orgy!! ;-D Now, let's not leave the NHL till we see the gorgeous Mike Modano - can you help me Nan?? ;-) Oh, yes...I forgot you have a little thing fo him. Very well, dearest. I always keep some old copies of The Hockey News, The NHL Yearbooks, etc. under my desk...never know when they'll come in handy. Like now, for instance: BTW, dearest...looks like you haven't heard. Modano is out for 4-6 weeks with a knee injury. Damn! He's on the US team too :-("}, {"response": 16, "author": "nan", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (17:00)", "body": "So, Suzanne...what NHLers can I hunt down for you? Humor me, I love this stuff...;-)"}, {"response": 17, "author": "Marilyn", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (17:54)", "body": "Thanks, sweet pals!! Yes, Suzanne, I really enjoyed that one!! And Nan, you know how I like him all sweaty and stubbly - that lovely shot is a keeper!! So fortunate for me and Suzanne that you keep the NHL yearbook and THN at work! ;-) I did read about his injury this morning--my first thought was purely selfish, like I wouldn't be seeing him in action for 6 weeks, and what a shame since he's leading in points--but I hadn't thought about the Olympics!! ;-( Okay, if I can impose on you one more time--can you share a little Brian Noonan, Teemu Selanne, and Bill Guerin?? Thanks for indulging me. ;-)"}, {"response": 18, "author": "Suzanne1", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 1997 (18:17)", "body": "Well Nan to tell you the truth I am a die hard Canadiens fan (Yay Montreal). And of course there are acouple ex-Canadiens that I love Kirk Muller and Pierre Turgeon. In the end though all roads lead to Jacques Villneuve for me."}, {"response": 19, "author": "nan", "date": "Mon, Jan  5, 1998 (17:34)", "body": "Ah, Marilyn darling...I was sifting through some old stuff and picked these out just for you... I'll send you the article, honey. Sorry, no goatee ;-p"}, {"response": 20, "author": "Marilyn", "date": "Tue, Jan  6, 1998 (12:52)", "body": "Oh, Nan, they're lovely - you indulge your old pal so well! No goatee, but I get to see him reclining on something other than ice - and such a kissable, sweet face! Looking forward to reading the article, thanks dearest. :-)"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan  7, 1998 (12:01)", "body": "I once had a fantasy about a UT women's basketball player. Then one day I was in Trudy's and she walking in and stood next to me, she about about 6-8. I was speechless, couldn't even get it up to ask her to have coffee with me. Other women's sports figures? I'll have to think about this."}, {"response": 22, "author": "LauraMM", "date": "Wed, Jan  7, 1998 (14:23)", "body": "It must be really bad when one cannot not get it up:)"}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jan 13, 1998 (12:02)", "body": "Any choices stand out on this year's Superbowl teams? The Bronchos and Packers."}, {"response": 24, "author": "LauraMM", "date": "Tue, Jan 13, 1998 (13:17)", "body": "The Packers, unfortunately. From a New England Pats fan"}, {"response": 25, "author": "nan", "date": "Fri, Jan 16, 1998 (15:33)", "body": "Marilyn, dearest--see how fast I put your articles to use? Such a man! ;-) Oh the things those sponsors make you do... And one of my favorites...right before faceoff ;-)"}, {"response": 26, "author": "nan", "date": "Tue, Feb 17, 1998 (17:51)", "body": "For Lesley ;-) Ooh, I like him honey! ;-D"}, {"response": 27, "author": "nan", "date": "Tue, Feb 17, 1998 (18:02)", "body": "Oh drat! Trying again..."}, {"response": 28, "author": "nan", "date": "Tue, Feb 17, 1998 (18:03)", "body": "Bummer! I'll find some others..."}, {"response": 29, "author": "marshA", "date": "Tue, Feb 17, 1998 (18:48)", "body": "What a *droolworthy* page. I'm in the right place! And yes, great number for the topic, ladies! Now, anybody have a picture of the best musketeer? :-)"}, {"response": 30, "author": "LesleyGale", "date": "Wed, Feb 18, 1998 (00:40)", "body": "Ooooh Nan! I love him! I want more...SOB...I need more! ;-D"}, {"response": 31, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, Feb 18, 1998 (10:48)", "body": "For Marsha: I \"borrowed\" this from a net Candeloro page. Of course, it's in a language I don't understand, but the photos are great ;-) Take a look: Candeloro Lesley, dear--you made it! Great! Here's another for you ;-)"}, {"response": 32, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, Feb 18, 1998 (10:50)", "body": "I \"borrowed\" this from a net Candeloro page. That was supposed to be a neat Candeloro page ;-p"}, {"response": 33, "author": "marshA", "date": "Wed, Feb 18, 1998 (11:37)", "body": "Ooooooh-ooooooooh! Thanks. Now I know why D'Artagnan was so popular :-)"}, {"response": 34, "author": "marshA", "date": "Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (19:31)", "body": "Nan, I fould a lovely Candeloro page, with great pictures (including a shirtless one :-). How do I post it here?"}, {"response": 35, "author": "nan", "date": "Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (17:28)", "body": "Oooh Marsha...that Candeloro page was very pretty!:-) I didn't want to use her pictures without asking so I'm just going to post a link to that page. Lesley...go look, great stuff! http://members.tripod.com/~Candeloro/index.html"}, {"response": 36, "author": "marshA", "date": "Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (01:06)", "body": "Take a look at that shirtless picture!! It will take me 15 minutes to get back to normal :-)"}, {"response": 37, "author": "lisaC", "date": "Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (20:41)", "body": "Dear Nan, I know you're a huge Mark Messier fan, so I was wondering if you've seen the latest Lays potato chip commercial. I don't know whether Lays is a Canadian product only but I saw the commercial here tonight for the first time and thought of you. I wasn't paying too much attention, mind you, but suffice it to say Mr. Messier was teaching a Russian hockey player how to say words that describe chips, like crunch, tasty etc... Anyway, let me get to the point, he looks damn good! He's wearing a black leather jacket and his head is finely shaved, I liked his appearance. I just wanted you to be on the look-out for the commercial. I can understand your admiration, the man is gorgeous!"}, {"response": 38, "author": "nan", "date": "Thu, Feb 26, 1998 (21:14)", "body": "Oh Lisa!! That must be a Canadian commercial...I've never seen it :-( And it sounds so appetizing too! Maybe it will make it's way here. Isn't he too fabulous? Not really classically handsome, but he just reeks of...of...testosterone ;-p I miss seeing him play all the time and was sorry he didn't make the Canadian hockey team. Please, do keep me informed. thanks for the heads up, honey :-)"}, {"response": 39, "author": "lisaC", "date": "Fri, Feb 27, 1998 (10:02)", "body": "I couldn't understand why he didn't make the team. A lot of decisions about that team irked me. I'm not very proficient in hockey, in fact the last time I watched a full fledged hockey game was about 7 years ago, I'd say, but I know who's good and who isn't. I don't understand why Gretzky wasn't chosen as one of the shooters against Hashek. He's the greatest player ever and he wasn't chosen? Weird, very weird. Your Mr. Messier reeks of testosterone. That's exactly it. I was trying to figure out what it was about him and you hit the nail on the head.... then man is so potently masculine."}, {"response": 40, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Wed, Mar  4, 1998 (22:12)", "body": "Who is the wizard bringing in all these fine photos? Does anyone have the poster done by the German speed skater... the one where all she's wearing is a painted on speed suit and her skates? It's pretty amazing... god, what's her name?"}, {"response": 41, "author": "nan", "date": "Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (00:30)", "body": "Sorry, Lisa...I thought I answered this days ago...guess I wrote the reply and didn't post it. Duh! Lucky I kept a copy ;-) (Lisa) I couldn't understand why he didn't make the team. No one understood it, including those who did make the team. Apparently Bobby Clarke (GM of Team Canada) thought the younger players were \"ready\" to win without the older, veteran players. Obviously they couldn't leave Gretzky off the team, so they chose to omit Mark who is 37--the same age as Wayne. Also, there was some talk of this olympic team being built around Eric Lindros (often compared to a young Messier). Eric Lindros plays for the Flyers. Bobby Clarke is the GM of the Flyers...see a conne tion? I don't understand why Gretzky wasn't chosen as one of the shooters against Hashek. He's the greatest player ever and he wasn't chosen? Weird, very weird. That was just Marc Crawford (Team Canada\ufffds coach) going with a gut feeling. I agree, Gretzky is the best all around hockey player in the history of the sport. When he was younger, he was virtually unstoppable, but the last few years he\ufffds been more of an assist man than a goal scorer. I guess Marc Crawford was going with shooters who have been more successful (recently) with breakaways. Actually, I thought Brendan Shanahan was a good choice...I\ufffdm sorry it didn\ufffdt go in. Your Mr. Messier I like your choice of words, honey :-) I was trying to figure out what it was about him and you hit the nail on the head.... then man is so potently masculine. Ooh...\ufffdpotently masculine\ufffd gave me a vision! (Where is Marilyn for this conversation?) Yes...that\ufffds precisely right--Mess is all man...all 205 lbs of him ;-) I love that scary, intimidating expression on his face which, coincidentally is called \ufffdThe Look\ufffd ;-) I love that all his features are exaggerated. I love that when he smiles, it looks like Mt. Rushmore laughing. See... Oh, and it doesn\ufffdt hurt that he is one of the finest hockey players on the planet :-) (gena) Who is the wizard bringing in all these fine photos? No wizard, gena...just me ;-) Love that hockey! Does anyone have the poster done by the German speed skater... the one where all she's wearing is a painted on speed suit and her skates? I've never even heard of it...sounds like an intersting photo, though. Is that similar to Demi Moore's Vanity Fair cover where the business suit is painted on her?"}, {"response": 42, "author": "nan", "date": "Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (00:51)", "body": "*sigh*... :-/"}, {"response": 43, "author": "lisaC", "date": "Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (14:43)", "body": "I've never liked Eric Lindros, even though if he is incredibly handsome. He seems a bit stuck up to me and quite full of himself. My brother did mention to me that he was chosen as captain of Team Canada because of Bobby Clarke, which I think was a stupid. He seems kind of young to be the captain, when Gretzky was right there. All these politics in sports and favoritisms annoy me. Just do what's best for the team. Nan, there's a second Lays potato chip commercial as well. This time Your Mr. Messier is giving a press conference after he's come off the ice, he's all sweaty and chewing on the chips. Too bad you can't see it and tape it."}, {"response": 44, "author": "nan", "date": "Thu, Mar  5, 1998 (16:08)", "body": "This time Your Mr. Messier is giving a press conference after he's come off the ice, he's all sweaty and chewing on the chips. Aaaaagh!! It's torture!! ;-D They may find their way herr...though Messier is not nearly the same celebrity in most of the US as he is in Canada. *sigh*"}, {"response": 45, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, May  6, 1998 (10:54)", "body": "In an attempt to lure Marilyn back..."}, {"response": 46, "author": "lisaC", "date": "Wed, May 13, 1998 (17:21)", "body": "Sorry, it's not Marilyn OK. Who are these two? The guy on the left looks like a Canadian hockey player I saw in a commercial for some cereal. I really know nothing about hockey, except that the season, which is pointless to begin with since they play all year to eliminate 8 teams from the playoffs, drags on forever. The blond on the right is a mystery. He's good-looking but a mystery to me as well."}, {"response": 47, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, May 13, 1998 (18:30)", "body": "(Marilyn) Sorry, it's not Marilyn You don't have to be Marilyn, honey ;-) But she's my hockey pal, ya see... OK. Who are these two? The guy on the left looks like a Canadian hockey player I saw in a commercial for some cereal. They are both Canadian hockey players and both with the Detroit Red Wings: Brendan Shanahan on the left and Steve Yzerman on the right. I posted these 2 because Marilyn has a particular weakness for them ;-) The blond on the right is a mystery. He's good-looking but a mystery to me as well. There are lots of very handsome hockey players out there. Since you're in Canada, you ignore them from hockey-overload. In the US, they are ignored because they don't play basketball or baseball...*sigh*"}, {"response": 48, "author": "nan", "date": "Mon, Jun  1, 1998 (20:45)", "body": ""}, {"response": 49, "author": "nan", "date": "Mon, Jun  1, 1998 (20:50)", "body": "(I'm indulging Marilyn again) Well honey, until I get to scanning back issues of The Hockey News I'm dipping into my archives to hold you over ;-) Remember, now....MINE! ;-D Got carried away with PhotoShop one day... From his club-hopping days in NY. With Mickey Rourke at China Club... Note: Only Mess could get away with wearing plaid flannel to China Club ;-p And a nice, big, juicy, stubbly one..."}, {"response": 50, "author": "marilyn", "date": "Tue, Jun  2, 1998 (01:55)", "body": "Oh, Nan, you've been holding out on me!! I now have a new favorite Messier photo - need I tell you which one that would be?? And you know you're not playing fair with me - show me that sexy mouth, open no less, and tell me he's YOURS! Now, puhleeze, indulge me more - dust off those old THNs and find me some more Brendan Shanahan, okay old pal???"}, {"response": 51, "author": "Nan11", "date": "Fri, Jul 31, 1998 (23:05)", "body": "Oh geez, I just reloaded this whole topic and I realized that the URLs changed when Spring.com changed to Spring.net. This will never do! not nearly enough Messier photos here. Posting some again (hoping to lure Marilyn out of the lurkdom) :-) Let's try this..."}, {"response": 52, "author": "Nan11", "date": "Fri, Jul 31, 1998 (23:23)", "body": ""}, {"response": 53, "author": "Nan11", "date": "Fri, Jul 31, 1998 (23:25)", "body": ""}, {"response": 54, "author": "Nan11", "date": "Fri, Jul 31, 1998 (23:29)", "body": "Aaah, now that's better..."}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug  1, 1998 (06:07)", "body": "Are y'all droolin' over any of the folks chasing after the home run record? (Ken Griffey Jr, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire). Who's y'alls favoite NBA player? NFL?"}, {"response": 56, "author": "Nan11", "date": "Sat, Aug  1, 1998 (11:57)", "body": "(Terry) Are y'all droolin' over any of the folks chasing after the home run record? (Ken Griffey Jr, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire). Who's y'alls favoite NBA player? NFL? Terry, I'm afraid my drool mechanism only works with hockey players, so I'm ill-equipped to answer. Well, ladies? You heard the man! Answer the question ;-)"}, {"response": 57, "author": "MEC", "date": "Fri, Aug  7, 1998 (21:48)", "body": "Wow alot of activity here. Mr. Messier sure ranks up there. its so hard to get past the bodies of sports figures. nice faces though are: Troy Aitkins, Jeff Gordon, Michael Jordan. Tough guys are: Mark McGuire, Len Dykstra, Mark Messier (ok Nan he has a nice face too)"}, {"response": 58, "author": "Nan11", "date": "Fri, Aug  7, 1998 (22:15)", "body": "(MEC) Mark Messier (ok Nan he has a nice face too) Aaah, my guy :-) Actually, I really like the fact that he's not classically handsome. His features are all just a bit \"too\". His eyes are too deeply set. His jaw is too square. His mouth is too large. And all those scars--woo hoo! I just love a man who has seen some action, sister! :-D Oh, I should tell you. It's common knowledge on this board (in this Conference, I suppose) that he's MINE ...so don't get too grabby, missy! Go scale Michael Jordan ;-p"}, {"response": 59, "author": "Passionata", "date": "Sun, Aug  9, 1998 (07:57)", "body": "Now...Emmanuel Petit... That's the ticket! Anyone have a pic of this man?"}, {"response": 60, "author": "riette", "date": "Tue, Aug 11, 1998 (00:53)", "body": "No idea who he is! Frankie Fredericks is my man - and my fellow Namibian."}, {"response": 61, "author": "Nan11", "date": "Tue, Aug 11, 1998 (01:02)", "body": "(Riette)No idea who he is! Excellent! Then we won't fight over him :-) I have to beat that Marilyn chick off him with a stick ;-p Frankie Fredericks is my man - and my fellow Namibian. See, I don't know him. Got any pictures?"}, {"response": 62, "author": "riette", "date": "Tue, Aug 11, 1998 (06:07)", "body": "Afraid not - but he is the coloured guy who runs the 200m and the 400m so well. He has such a beautiful body, it's not even funny. And I'm glad you don't know him either - I know you'd just want to steal him away from me if you did!"}, {"response": 63, "author": "MEC", "date": "Tue, Aug 25, 1998 (22:07)", "body": "I thought I might catch the adorable Jeff Gordon here!"}, {"response": 64, "author": "nan", "date": "Tue, Aug 25, 1998 (23:18)", "body": "(MEC) I thought I might catch the adorable Jeff Gordon here! Yeah, well this pain the ass at work had me there until after 7pm typing her report ;-p Here you go, baby...came out well, yes?"}, {"response": 65, "author": "MEC", "date": "Wed, Aug 26, 1998 (20:49)", "body": "Good job Nan and so colorful. Now if you could only figure out how to send HIM directly to me!"}, {"response": 66, "author": "nan", "date": "Wed, Aug 26, 1998 (22:21)", "body": "(MEC)Now if you could only figure out how to send HIM directly to me! Sorry, babe...I just deal in fantasy ;-p sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 45, "subject": "Sky Diving", "response_count": 5, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "stacey", "date": "Mon, Sep 28, 1998 (19:57)", "body": "have you been?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "mikeg", "date": "Mon, Sep 28, 1998 (20:12)", "body": "i was planning to go this summer, and do an AFF (Accelerated Free Fall) course. but, the cost was too prohibitive so it's pencilled in for next summer. have you?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "kristen", "date": "Tue, Sep 29, 1998 (03:57)", "body": "I'm a skydiver. The cost is worth it Mike."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 29, 1998 (19:55)", "body": "She's a very responsible sky diver. And a very sick one right now too. 103 degree temperature last time I checked."}, {"response": 5, "author": "stacey", "date": "Wed, Sep 30, 1998 (17:54)", "body": "I got the crud too Kristen... sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 46, "subject": "College Football 99", "response_count": 394, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Aug 31, 1999 (13:05)", "body": "Thank you, Terry...! OK, Hana hou...One more time: PENN STATE 41 ARIZONA 7"}, {"response": 2, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Aug 31, 1999 (16:03)", "body": "I knew it! When USC beats Hawaii by an equally lopsided score this Saturday, will we find it as omnipresent as the dispatch from Happy Valley? (BTW, does Paterno ever age? He looks the same as he did when I was a kid 30+ years ago...he must use those cool shades to hide wrinkles somewhere!)"}, {"response": 3, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Aug 31, 1999 (16:05)", "body": "I still think that Dick Tomey is a better football coach than Larry Price...even if it does come across as sour grapes on my part for Price being a more successful (Hell, successful at all) radio personality than I was..."}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 1999 (12:18)", "body": "No one ever said Larry Price (with a PhD?!) was any good at coaching. That is why he is a morning talk show guy in Honolulu instead of a real college coach! (And, he is no way better at it than you are, John...they just pay him more and it is beyond me why!) OK, time to record Penn State's embarrassment of riches... Penn State 70 Akron 24 For Those of you who think we ran up the score intentionally, six Penn State players who had never made touchdowns did so yesterday. There was no way except for evacuating the field that we could NOT have had such a score. Paterno does not run up scores. (He looked that old when I first met him all those years ago...he started out looking like that! Maybe he has a painting in his attic...?!)"}, {"response": 5, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 1999 (16:00)", "body": "Thanks for the vote of confidence on what once passed as my \"career.\" Somehow I knew that I the Penn State score would be here, but that it would be up to me to post the final tally of the Rainblows' (no, that's not a typo) debacle last night. Southern California 62 Hawaii 7"}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 1999 (16:53)", "body": "(closing John's html tags again Terry can be happy with his Longhorns win over stuffy Stanford!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 1999 (19:26)", "body": "The intelligence shines enough and humor posting is enough"}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 1999 (20:10)", "body": "Joh, Dear, we all do it, even after three years after having mastered it. Join the crowd!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 1999 (20:11)", "body": "I promise I did spell your name right...it is not one of my better days. There is a decided lack of domestic tranquility in the immediate surroundings... John....John....John....John..."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (08:50)", "body": "The Horns travel to New Jersey this weekend. home of backup quarterback Chris Simms. Maybe he'll play again if the Major can rack up a big score."}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (12:06)", "body": "Playing Rutgers, aren't they? Good season-spoilers, but I think the Horns wil do very well against them. Penn State plays their old nemesis, Pitt, who has never gotten ove the loss of Jackie Sherrill as head coach. Did not care for him, but he sure turned out some powerful teams and we were beaten with great regularity when he was at Pitt. Good luck to The Horns and the Nittany Lions...and don't get any season-ending injuries!"}, {"response": 12, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (15:47)", "body": "I just checked our UHHilo Baseball schedule, and we play Rice here and then travel there for another shellacking, then we do the same for TCU, amongst many other killers of the first division. Anyone want to see a really lop-sided game, pop up to Ft Worth and watch the, beat the bejeepers out of the local boys from Hilo."}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (15:53)", "body": "Oh, and for the Hilo series, John will be doing the play-by-play over local radio. I never go to a game without my little radio in hand."}, {"response": 14, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 1999 (16:16)", "body": "Rice would be the \"Owls,\" Marcia. With any luck, it is possible that I might be travelling with the team to do statewide TV (I would take unpaid leave to do it). But I fear they will hire a better-looking, youthful upstart with the proper surname, such as Kanoa Leahey, who just quit as HPU's play-by-play man. For a laugh, check out poetic caricatures, but don't take it too seriously!"}, {"response": 15, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 11, 1999 (16:06)", "body": "But, John, you would be so far superior to any Leahey...How could they even contemplate Kanoa?! So much for what I want...it has been that way for a while. Meanwhile, a score I am not proud of in a game which I could hardly stand to watch: Penn State 20 Pitt 17"}, {"response": 16, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Sep 11, 1999 (21:19)", "body": "The decision will be made in Honolulu, bu Oceanic Cable. UHH has input, but not control. Mr. Leahey is 21, ambitious, talented, much better-looking than I am, thin (unlike his father), and is named Leahey (like both his father and his grandfather). Have you seen or heard him? He's good. When I was his age, I was nine years away from calling my first game (I didn't take up the play-by-play mic until age 30). I fear it will be a no-brainer for them. And yes, today's Penn State victory over arch-rival itt was ugly, but to paraphrase Gertrude Stein: a win is a win is a win. BTW, the latest issue of The Sporting News rated PSU as the nation's #1 university for athletics. Their scorecard: Winning (football and men's basketball only sports considered): A- Graduation rate (again, football and men's basketball: A Do We Rock? (Attendance): A Do We Play Fair? (including gender equity): A GPA: 3.92 Terry's beloved Texas Longhorns were rated #35. Scorecard: Winning: B+ Graduation rate: C- Do We Rock?: A- Do We Play Fair: C GPA: 2.67 Our beloved Hawaii (Manoa) Rainbows were rated #65. Winning: F (0-12 football last year, 6-20 men's basketball) Graduation Rate: B+ Do we rock?: C+ Do we play fair: C+ GPA: 2.00 Unfortunately for the Bows, neither men's nor women's volleyball were considered in the winning or graduation categories."}, {"response": 17, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 12, 1999 (03:37)", "body": "Hawaii 31 E. Illinois 27 No doubt about it, a big win for my beloved Rainbow Warriors, but it does come against a Division I-AA school. When they finally win one against Div. I-A competition, then maybe I will stop saying that my beloved Bows stinketh like goatherds. Their next game is against Boise State, not a great team, but a decent one, who beat Southern Idaho today. Overall, it was a big day for sports. 17-year-old Venus Williams won the U.S. Open, becoming the first African-American woman to win a Grand Slam tennis event since Althea Gibson in 1958. Eric Milton pitched a no-hitter for the Minnesota Twins, only the fourth no-no in Twins history, as the Twinkies shut out the Anaheim Angels, 7-0. I wonder if Milton is a descendant John Milton--who, if he had been an American athlete instead of an apolgist for Cromwell--would have played for the Whittier College Fighting Poets."}, {"response": 18, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 12, 1999 (04:11)", "body": "Oops...that was Venus Williams' sister, Serena, who won the U.S. open. Wrong head of beaded braids!"}, {"response": 19, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 12, 1999 (14:05)", "body": "John, thanks for putting the stats up on Athletics and Academics. Paterno has always said you cannot have a great university without a great library, and to that end his donation-funded (plus those donations from friends of his and fans) is due to open next year. All 8 Million of it. For all of the static Penn State has had to take for being \"farmer's highschool\" (its original name) it has turned out some pretty good scholars. It is too bad about their not counting Volleyball. Penn State ladies and Ma oa Wahine have always battled it out for first and second place standings. Curious!"}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 13, 1999 (10:48)", "body": "UT didn't quite make the spread, but they won. This does not look like a predictable season."}, {"response": 21, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 13, 1999 (11:51)", "body": "I think Penn State is in the same position. One game at a time is the only way to deal with this season. Acute anxiety attacks are the name of the game. We are into the Big Ten now, and the rest of the games will be a battle."}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 14, 1999 (08:17)", "body": "Texas is a huge favorite over Rice."}, {"response": 23, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Sep 14, 1999 (13:12)", "body": "I would imagine considering how Rice has fared this season up till now. On the other hand, it depends who wants the Miami game more, Penn State or them."}, {"response": 24, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (18:01)", "body": "Penn State 27 Miami 21 They had to come from behind to do it, but they got that 79-yard touchdown pass from Kevin Thompson, who came off the bench to throw a strike. I've never seen Paterno sweat like that, but he came out smelling like a rose."}, {"response": 25, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (18:09)", "body": "Thanks john! You beat me to it. I inhaled a big bag of popcorn and never even tasted it. That was the game we needed to win, and we kept shooting ourselves in the foot. But, we did win, and that is what will be remembered. Hail to the Lions! (I thought the score was 27-23)"}, {"response": 26, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (20:33)", "body": "PENN STATE 27 MIAMI 23 9/18/99 - In the blink of an eye, No. 3 Penn State found a way to stay in the national championship race. Kevin Thompson threw a 79-yard touchdown pass to Chafie Fields with 1:41 left and the Nittany Lions held off No. 8 Miami 27-23 in the rain-drenched Orange Bowl. http://www.ncaafootball.net/"}, {"response": 27, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (20:46)", "body": "other scores of interest: TEXAS A&M 27 TULSA 7 (5:24 left in the 2nd) TEXAS 15 RICE 6 (10:09 left in 4th) Texas A&M is ranked 7th, Penn State is 3rd, and Texas (don't know)"}, {"response": 28, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (21:37)", "body": "Sammy Sosa hit no 60"}, {"response": 29, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (21:38)", "body": "You were right on the score. It was rain, huh? I came in during the 3rd quarter after work and never heard it mentioned once, but that explains why Paterno looked so disheveled. Couldn't tell from the field or the players since it was artificial turf. Penn State showed a lot of character pulling this one out on the road in a place as loud and raucous as the Orange Bowl. It may have only been a four point victory, but unlike the \"disappointing\" edge over Pitt, there should be some happiness in Happy V lley with this."}, {"response": 30, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (21:43)", "body": "Longsuffering Cubs Fan that I am, Lucille, I'd like to see Sammy hit 71 this year. I wish the andro-chugging McGwire no ill will, except that he plays for the Cardinals, but I'd love to see a little more glory for Sammy, an effervescent and gregarious young man who apparently pops nothing into his system more questionable than Flintstones vitamins."}, {"response": 31, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (21:47)", "body": "Hi Lucie! Welcome to outer Spring...*smile* Yup! Joe sweats through a lot of games, but I never saw him get THAT wet!!! Too funny! Texas A&M is winning big time over Tulsa TEXAS 18 RICE 13 final"}, {"response": 32, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 1999 (23:29)", "body": "It's final now: TEXAS A&M 62 TULSA 13"}, {"response": 33, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (00:47)", "body": "A.P. TOP 25 SCOREBOARD SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 18 FINAL Central Mich 16 #14 Purdue 58 FINAL Southern Miss 13 #6 Nebraska 20 FINAL #8 Wisconsin 12 Cincinnati 17 FINAL #3 Penn St 27 #9 Miami (Fla) 23 FINAL Ohio 16 #12 Ohio St 40 FINAL San Diego St 21 #19 USC (19) 24 FINAL #20 North Carolina St 11 #1 Florida St 42 FINAL Louisiana Tech 29 #18 Alabama 28 FINAL Ul Monroe 6 (no idea who these guys are, that's how it came down #15 Arkansas 44 FINAL Central Florida 10 #13 Georgia Tech 41 FINAL Rice 13 #22 Texas 18 FINAL Bowling Green 16 #25 Marshall 35 FINAL Texas El Paso 7 #16 Kansas St 40 FINAL #5 Michigan 18 Syracuse 13 FINAL #2 Tennessee 21 #4 Florida 23 FINAL Tulsa 13 #17 Texas A&M 62 FINAL New Mexico St 35 #23 Arizona St 7 FINAL Fresno St 21 #21 UCLA 35 00:24 left in 4th quarter (guess there'll be no doubt here, Tomey blasted again) Stanford 50 #17 Arizona 22"}, {"response": 34, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (01:27)", "body": "Thanks John. I see Texas is #18. but Texas A&M is #7 not 17!!!"}, {"response": 35, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (01:55)", "body": "Texas is #22. You are right about A&M. There are typos in this. I got it fom msn.com. #15 Arkansas's opponent was overmatched Louisiana-Monroe (never heard of them). I had three distant cousins (all brothers) who were All-Americans at Arkansas in the late 60s: Bobby Burnett (tailback, ran a 9.4 second 100-yard dash: was AFL rookie of the year in 1966 for the Buffalo Bills, broke a leg and was never the same, was traded to the Broncos and sat out the rest of his career behind Floyd Little), Tom Burnet (wide receiver: was drafted by the Jets, but never made it past the taxi squad, just a little too slow), and Bill Burnett (tailback--1st team All-American his junior season with the Razorbacks, suffered a career-ending knee injury his senior year). Texas A&M is the largest university in the U.S. Largest enrollment despite all the Aggie jokes!"}, {"response": 36, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (03:32)", "body": "Hawaii 34 Boise State 19 The Rainbow Warriors are now 2-1 on the season. It may not sound like much, but for longsuffering Hawaii fans, whose team started the season with the nation's longest losing streak (18 games), then lost the opening game to Southern Cal 66-7, WE'LL TAKE IT, thank you very much! Maybe they stinketh a little less like goatherds this season."}, {"response": 37, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (15:16)", "body": "I thought you might have put that in Green letters for the occasion. Good game! The goats have been bathed and perfumed for the time being. When do we have the honor of playing dormat for Wyoming (our nemesis) and other teams of that ilk?"}, {"response": 38, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (15:20)", "body": "I feel great empathy for Texas A&M fans. They, like Penn State, are a land grant college, and whereas they are called the Aggies, we are called - but not within hitting distance - Farmer's HighSchool...and worse. Any of those Burnetts related to you? The Little is not related to me or David."}, {"response": 39, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (18:23)", "body": "As I mentioned in the post, they are distant cousins (I believe 3rd cousins). Floyd Little was an African-American running back from Syracuse U., so I didn't expect that he might be related to your ex, although it would not be out of the realm of possibility."}, {"response": 40, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (19:00)", "body": "...true...and interesting! When David was just out of college, a pro football player named David Little was big news. You would be amazed at how many people asked if he was my David's brother. This guy was African-American, also. Dave said \"Yes, but we call him Bubba so we don't confuse the relatives.\""}, {"response": 41, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (22:31)", "body": "That's funny."}, {"response": 42, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (22:36)", "body": "Here is Rainbow schedule. No Wyoming, BYU, Utah. Remember, they left the WAC. September 4 USC 6:30 P.M. L 7-62 September 11 EASTERN ILLINOIS 6:05 P.M. W 31-27 September 18 BOISE STATE 6:05 P.M. W 34-19 September 25 at SMU * 2:05 P.M. -- -- October 2 UTEP * 6:05 P.M. -- -- October 9 RICE * 6:05 P.M. -- -- October 23 at Tulsa * 2:05 P.M. -- -- October 30 TCU * 6:05 P.M. -- -- November 6 at San Jose State * 12:35 P.M. -- -- November 13 FRESNO STATE * 6:05 P.M. -- -- November 20 NAVY 6:05 P.M. -- -- November 27 WASHINGTON STATE 6:05 P.M. -- --"}, {"response": 43, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (23:43)", "body": "They are playing Big 12 teams and coutd at some point play Texas and TGexas A&M. Fascinating! Out next outing is to SMU??!! That is gonna be some ugly game! Thanks for the schedule."}, {"response": 44, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 19, 1999 (23:44)", "body": "Many apologies, Aggies, that is Texas A&M, of course!"}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (10:57)", "body": "Wow , Texas is up at 22. But they didn't look like a number 22 team against the hapless owls in the game they just played. Victor Ike needs to learn to hang on to the ball. And they had 2 blocked punts again. But they won. Next week Is Nebraska I believe."}, {"response": 46, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (13:08)", "body": "Nebraska did not look all that good this week, either. Just hope whatever is bothering them now is still annoying them this weekend, as well. Tennessee should have won, Penn State should have won by a bigger margain...perhaps we were all holding off our big stuff until we all play really dangerous teams. We play Indiana at home next week."}, {"response": 47, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (20:17)", "body": "Actually, Baylor next week."}, {"response": 48, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (21:02)", "body": "Sorry...! I mistyped. Actually, Texas does not play NewBraska this year in regularly scheduled games...Texas A&M does, though - later on. So the 'horns are at Baylor...and they have lost all of their games so far against some pretty good teams. Hmmm...what is the prognostigation for the outcome of this game? Don't know anything about Southern Mississippi...they are are Texas A&M this week. Indiana is at Penn State, and someone mean will clobber Hawaii this weekend, huh!"}, {"response": 49, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (21:04)", "body": "Oh yeah...SMU is gonna Kill the Rainbows at their home game. Aloha Oe! Auwe!"}, {"response": 50, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (22:17)", "body": "The SMU of Eric Dickerson and Craig James (the Pony Express) days would have. I'd still call them favorites, but I think we have an outside chance (I'd like our chances better at home). As for Southern Mississippi, the Golden Eagles always have a decent program. It is Brett Favre's alma mater ."}, {"response": 51, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (22:26)", "body": "oh dear...and whew...in reverse order...! What do you know about Indiana this year?!"}, {"response": 52, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 1999 (22:32)", "body": "Big Ten. Always a decent team...should pose no real threat to your beloved Nittany Lions, though."}, {"response": 53, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (14:39)", "body": "PENN STATE 45 INDIANA 24"}, {"response": 54, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (18:11)", "body": "HAWAII 20 SMU 0"}, {"response": 55, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (19:57)", "body": "The SMU game was an important hurdle for my beloved Rainbow Warriors. It is their first road victory since 1995 and their first WAC road victory since 1992. It is also their first shutout victory since 1994, when they blanked my dad's alma mater S.E. Missouti St. (from Rush Limbaugh's hometown, Cape Girardeua). It could have been 27-0, but Coach June Jones wisely told QB Dan Robinson to take a knee on the final play of the game (at the SMU 2-yard-line) rather than to rub it in. The Bows are now -1 with their only loss coming at the hands of the nationally ranked USC Trojans."}, {"response": 56, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (19:58)", "body": "DAMN. Closing HTML tag"}, {"response": 57, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (19:59)", "body": "Hawaii is 3-1."}, {"response": 58, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (20:42)", "body": "I think we did it well enough to get national recognition. Do you think we will break into the top 25 this week? O'O and I were wondering how JJones accomplished this turn around so quickly...any idea?"}, {"response": 59, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 1999 (21:13)", "body": "TEXAS 62 BAYLOR 0"}, {"response": 60, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 26, 1999 (14:16)", "body": "TEXAS A&M 23 SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI 6 New rankings according to AP are Penn State 2nd Texas A&M 5th Texas 22nd"}, {"response": 61, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (10:04)", "body": "Texas moved up to 15th in today's poll."}, {"response": 62, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (13:58)", "body": "Alright, Texas! I thought that 62-0 win should do something positive for them. Of couse, there are as many polls as there are interest groups out there...Not sure where Penn State might be any given week...!"}, {"response": 63, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (15:34)", "body": "We (Hawaii) certainly aren't going to get ranked anytime this season (losing 62-7 to USC pretty much puts that out of the realm of possibility). But there is a new attitude on campus. Jones brings a positive \"can do\" spin to the place, while Von Appen just bitched about everything and it rubbed off on his players, who performed accordingly. Wait until most of the recruits are Jones' and then see what Hawaii can do!"}, {"response": 64, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (18:46)", "body": "There will be no stopping Hawaii then. JJ must have a pretty good recruiting pipeline set up, and only good things can come from that. I am excited about that...most impressed!"}, {"response": 65, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:30)", "body": "The best recruiting pipeline is winning, and word will get out that he is turning the program around. It also won't hurt that he is a former NFL QB and head coach."}, {"response": 66, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:47)", "body": "...and it also does not hurt that the address of the University is Honolulu...!"}, {"response": 67, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:50)", "body": "That can actually be a downside. Not with the student-athletes, but with mothers, especially of black players, who want their boys as close to home as possible, so they can go to their games. In many families, making mom happy is a big priority in recruiting."}, {"response": 68, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:03)", "body": "...and my son was into hiking volcanoes for which they did not care about Mom except they let me go on their field trips - that was truly memorable!"}, {"response": 69, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:05)", "body": "cool"}, {"response": 70, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:08)", "body": "...so cool that if one did not keep moving, one's Vibram soles would start smoking on the just recently congealed lava...! Ever spent the evening hot-footing it for real?! Cool, indeed!"}, {"response": 71, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (10:02)", "body": "The take on Texas recruiting tis that they got the best recruits in the nation, look at Chris Simms, their backup quarterback, he comes the game late on mop up duty and engineers a 70+ yard drive. If Texas has another recruiting year like this one, watch out!"}, {"response": 72, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:10)", "body": "They look pretty impressive now...it would be interesting to see Texas play Penn State for the national championship at the end of the year...or Texas A&M, if we (Penn State) get that far...!"}, {"response": 73, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:16)", "body": "If either team can make it to the national championship, it would be a great thing for their fans. As good as Penn State looks, and as often as they've been there, it is early and is not an easy thing. Not even for Mr. Paterno, who for my money, is arguably the greatest college football coach ever."}, {"response": 74, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:26)", "body": "Penn State has the uncanny ability to lend their jerseys to some visiting boy scout troup and putting them on the field for a \"big\" game. I have no doubt that we will shoot ourselves in the foot at least once this year. It is w a y too early to think about the championship, but I was just wool-gathering for a moment...*sigh*"}, {"response": 75, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:40)", "body": "PSU always has a legitimate shot (and not the one to the foot)."}, {"response": 76, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:57)", "body": "Yeah...yeah...but we are the ones others love to hate and delight in seeing humiliated by our own lapses in judgement. I do not breathe easy until the end of the season, and I put on my class ring and all my other Penn State stuff plus the stuff I have from my Dad...just for luck (in which I do not believe)...! I leave nothing to chance!"}, {"response": 77, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (13:12)", "body": "Penn State is off this week so I offer the following from the latest Football Letter: Penn State was graded as having the #1 athletic program in the country by The Sporting News in the cover story of its Sept 13th issue. The publication based its ratings on standards that ranged from on-field success to academic performance and from fair play to fan support. State received a ccmposit grade of 3.92 out of 4.0 for its compehensive program which encompasses 15 men's ands 14 women's varsity sports and approximately 800 student-athletes. In the 10 years that NCAA has been conducting studies, 92% of the Penn State student-athletes who had exhausted their elegibility have graduated."}, {"response": 78, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (14:40)", "body": "Ok, Joh, who's gonna win today? Hawaii vs UTEP? Texas vs Kansas State? Texas A&M vs Texas Tech? Hawaii, I think, should have this one easily, TAMU should win, also. Texas might be in for a real battle...! Penn State has a bye week."}, {"response": 79, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (14:40)", "body": "That is John, of course, and Terry and whoever else might have an opinion on this and other college football matchups..."}, {"response": 80, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (18:50)", "body": "Man, Texas was in there till the Fourth Quarter, then the K State defense blew them out. Major took a major beating."}, {"response": 81, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (18:58)", "body": "Sad, No?! I was hoping - they were leading, then KC pulled one point ahead of Texas...then more then more...*sigh* My sympathies, Terry!"}, {"response": 82, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (20:01)", "body": "Half time (can't believe this!) TEXAS A&M 10 TEXAS TECH 21"}, {"response": 83, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (20:03)", "body": "Might as well put this down for posterity: Final TEXAS 17 KANSAS STATE 35"}, {"response": 84, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (20:50)", "body": "Marica per your (understandable) self-congratulatory Nittany Lions post (#77), I had already posted that basic info in post #16--I guess when it comes to your beloved Lions, you are just not quite secure enough that other people respect them. As I said, the only time I dared put money against them, they won the national championship and broke me of my wagering habit. The Rainbows should win tonight at home against UTEP, but the Miners are dangerous because they're struggling, hungry, and have the fastest receivers in the WAC (track guys and UTEP is one of the 3 or 4 top track programs in the country)."}, {"response": 85, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (20:50)", "body": "Marcia per your (understandable) self-congratulatory Nittany Lions post (#77), I had already posted that basic info in post #16--I guess when it comes to your beloved Lions, you are just not quite secure enough that other people respect them. As I said, the only time I dared put money against them, they won the national championship and broke me of my wagering habit. The Rainbows should win tonight at home against UTEP, but the Miners are dangerous because they're struggling, hungry, and have the fastest receivers in the WAC (track guys and UTEP is one of the 3 or 4 top track programs in the country)."}, {"response": 86, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (21:15)", "body": "Sorry, John...it comes with the diploma when we graduate - after Richard Nixon gave away one national championship...we trust no one. I had forgotten (and I save these posts to file!)...and I note you compared them with Texas! I was just expanding and reiterating for new readers...or for my own edification...who knows?! Texas A&M is just 2 points behind Texas Tech now...perhaps they will win and So will Hawaii...the game starts at 6pm I note on the broadcast.com schedule."}, {"response": 87, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (21:22)", "body": "Don't know who is doing the TAMU game for Texas A&M, but the play-by-play guy sounds exactly like Las Keiter!!!"}, {"response": 88, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (21:25)", "body": "It's over...so close yet so far... Texas A&M 19 Kansas State 21"}, {"response": 89, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (22:34)", "body": "I think that's TEXAS TECH 21, TEXAS A&M 19, is it not? K-STATE beat TEXAS 35-17 per your earlier post."}, {"response": 90, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (22:40)", "body": "Les Keiter is a beautiful man, but he stayed on the air ten years too long. He was great when he was 40 and doing NYC and Philly sports, but when he was 70, he was a rambling, cliche spouting, parody of himself. He's 80 this year and of course, has a cushy political job, courtesy of old friends Joe Moore and Ben Cayetano."}, {"response": 91, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (22:48)", "body": "The guy I was referring to was the intonation and inflexion and sound of his voice - a little nasal and gravelly...not the verbage. Les was magnificent in his prime! I placed my fav teams first when I put the scores down - not who won...! My peculiar way of doing things, I guess."}, {"response": 92, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 1999 (23:56)", "body": "Les was magnificent in his prime. I hope I have high powered friends who will prop me up in a high paying cushy job when I can no longer perform. Hell, that will never happen. It is actually a testament to how much people love Les. It's also an indictment of the old boy network here."}, {"response": 93, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct  3, 1999 (00:03)", "body": "It is lamentable that the old boy network exists at all...I thought it would have died years and years ago of natural causes. It is not A GOOD thing! I will he here for a long time...and I will help prop you one way or another!"}, {"response": 94, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct  3, 1999 (01:04)", "body": "I hope to have another 25 good years of work left in me. I can't afford to retire (apparently any more than Les can). His grandson, Kimo Keiter-Charles, is a star player on Hilo High's basketball team."}, {"response": 95, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct  3, 1999 (01:28)", "body": "Really?! How neat...does he come and watch Kimo play? I trust I shall die happy with your golden tones in my ears...in the far future!"}, {"response": 96, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct  3, 1999 (01:33)", "body": "Great Game... HAWAII ve UTEP...huh, John?!"}, {"response": 97, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct  3, 1999 (03:05)", "body": "Les sometimes comes to Hilo High games, but I don't know if he can see Kimo or not. He's legally blind and close to completely blind now, which was the main thing which caused his career as a play-by-play man to go South."}, {"response": 98, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct  3, 1999 (03:24)", "body": "HAWAII 33 TEXAS-EL PASO 3 final"}, {"response": 99, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct  3, 1999 (13:01)", "body": "Isn't that the prettiest score?! At least one of the teams I was rooting for yesterday won. You're getting good at this HTML stuff, John!"}, {"response": 100, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (23:54)", "body": "Thank you. How about them Bows? Lennie Klompus, executive director of the Aloha Bowl, said that Hawaii would be offered a berth if they could go 7-5 or better for the season. 50,000 people in Aloha Stadium on Christmas Day... wouldn't THAT be something?"}, {"response": 101, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (18:31)", "body": "Yup! The best Mele Kalikimaka present in the whole state. I hope it is a sellout because that is the only way I am going to see it."}, {"response": 102, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 1999 (23:02)", "body": "Ok...who's gonna win this weekend. Hawaii is favored by 2 1/2 points over Rice Penn State favoreed by 28 points over Iowa (at Iowa) Texas by 5 over Oklahoma Texas A&M by 27 over Baylor"}, {"response": 103, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 1999 (23:07)", "body": "...even better than winning the game, if Texas beats Oklahoma they get to take home The Golden Hat (wait for Terry's description, I guess) mounted on a piece of wood - as it was described in Yahoo sports. Tonight's game: No.18 Syracuse 24, Pittsburgh 17"}, {"response": 104, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 1999 (23:53)", "body": "Penn State is a prohibitive favorite. Most bookies won't take a bet on Penn State this weekend, regardless of spread, so it would be foolish to bet against them (or even the spread). Texas-Oklahoma is one of the Southwest's longest running traditional rivalries, so throw out the spread and pick 'em with your heart (we know where Terry's heart is--hooking 'em, Horns)! A&M should have a relatively easy time with Baylor. Hawaii-Rice should be one of the most interesting games on the entire schedule this Saturday. Both are traditional doormats who have been given their wake-up calls by terrific new coaches: Hawaii by former San Diego Chargers head coach June Jones, and Rice by former Air Force head coach Ken Hatfield. Both run exotic offenses: Hawaii, the pass-happy run-and-shoot, which Neil Lomax and Jones both used as their tickets to become NFL quarterbacks out of Portland State; and Rice, the wishbone, a multi-faceted running attack that Air Force under Hatfield employed to become a WAC conference power without recruited athletes (all football players had to be Air Force cadets who got into school via the rigorous academic criteria). I predict Hawaii will win this one and it will be the Rainbows unheralded but staunch defense which will be the difference."}, {"response": 105, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (00:03)", "body": "Bravo John....I was afraid you were to busy to get to Spring tonight and those who read this (who else but you and Terry and me???) stuff would have to rely on me and the Hawaii Tribune-Herald sports page and Robert Kekaula from the evening news (who provided the info on the Hawaii spread). Thanks! Geev'um Bows!!! Go Aggies!!! Hook'um Horns!!! (Who has that golden hat now?) Do not embarrass me Nittany Lions!!!"}, {"response": 106, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (10:39)", "body": "Right Hook em Horns, the Major is going to be looking to bounce back from the worst performance of his career (not helped by the offensive line) and the special teams are in the same boat."}, {"response": 107, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (14:26)", "body": "PENN STATE 31 IOWA 7"}, {"response": 108, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (17:24)", "body": "TEXAS A&M 45 BAYLOR 13"}, {"response": 109, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (18:39)", "body": "TEXAS 38 OKLAHOMA 28"}, {"response": 110, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (18:41)", "body": "...lookin' good!!! Now, all we have to do is have Hawaii win for a clean sweep! Game starts in 4 hours and 20 minutes...!"}, {"response": 111, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (18:49)", "body": "GO BOWS!"}, {"response": 112, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (18:52)", "body": "Oh John!!! You learned how to blink, too. Bravo!!!"}, {"response": 113, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (18:55)", "body": "Why doesn't it blink on my monitor? I thought I had failed."}, {"response": 114, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (18:59)", "body": "I have no idea...let it sit there a moment to see it it just needs to warm up or something. Btw, what browser are you using MsExp rather than Netscape? No wonder! If that is the case I will send you the url to download netscape and see what you have been missing!"}, {"response": 115, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (19:01)", "body": "I have netscape. It's just that IE is a toned-down, less B.S. operation."}, {"response": 116, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (19:04)", "body": "Okay, I'm in Netscape and it's blinking. Bravo. Thanks, Dr. Marcia."}, {"response": 117, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (19:06)", "body": "then it should blink...you do not need anything except the stand alone Netscape Navigator 4.0 - the rest is annoying and takes too long to load. IE (read pain in the okole) is an intrusive program that I had to hand pick to get off my computer. It kept regenerating each time I turned on the computer in the morning! BG and his thick head...(great bank account, though...!)"}, {"response": 118, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (19:07)", "body": "Excellent!!! (your post slipped in under my last one...) *happy smile*"}, {"response": 119, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (22:16)", "body": "If Billy G. could reproduce that trick with human amputees, he'd get the Nobel Prize for medicine and be as loved as he is reviled now."}, {"response": 120, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (22:35)", "body": "This is true...He lost me when he wanted everyone off Lanai (residents included) for the duration of his honeymoon there. That takes some kind of arrogance which is alien to me."}, {"response": 121, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (22:54)", "body": "Well, he couldn't quite do that, but he had anyone who got within a half-mile beaten by his hired goons."}, {"response": 122, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (22:57)", "body": "SOB!!! Sweet Old Bill.... Money doesn't care who owns it, huh?!"}, {"response": 123, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (00:35)", "body": "Great play for Rice stopping the possible touchdown with 19 seconds left. Hannum misses chip shot. At the half: Rice 10 Hawaii 10"}, {"response": 124, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (00:36)", "body": "I'm checking out Rice's PhD program on the web. Looks interesting. But Houston?"}, {"response": 125, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (00:39)", "body": "How much do you like heat?"}, {"response": 126, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (02:01)", "body": "Am not in love with heat or humidity. But we have plenty of the latter here. BTW, Rice 31, Hawaii 13 fourth quarter. We can kiss this one goodbye."}, {"response": 127, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (11:54)", "body": "Final Score HAWAII 19 RICE 38 I am a selfish being, John...I don't want you to leave me here in Hilo without anyone to talk to with the intelligence and wit to captivate my imagination..."}, {"response": 128, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (12:42)", "body": "Don't know where else to put this but Penn State Lady Lions (Ranked 2nd) hosted the Lady Longhorns (ranked 8th) in Volleyball recently and took it to four games to do it both nights of the matches. That runs the Lady Lions winning streak to 66."}, {"response": 129, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (18:37)", "body": "Well, okay. The fourth ranked UH-Manoa Rainbow Wahine volleyball team cleaned Rice's clock in three games last night in Houston, while the Owls were over here preying on our stinking goatherds of the gridiron."}, {"response": 130, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (18:41)", "body": "I don't want to leave, either, but have to get my doctorate at some point and that's not going to happen in Hilo."}, {"response": 131, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (19:02)", "body": "...one could smell the stench over 200 miles away...and it was not volcano fumes this time. It was the JJ's Jocks which stinketh up the entire state! Perhaps the Rainbows need their own Screwed topic?!"}, {"response": 132, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (19:05)", "body": "...as to that doctorate...I will miss you, especially...but if you return I will be all the more delighted. No, it will not happen in Hilo, and you are far too talented intellectually to do it over the Internet, through the mail, or (heaven forbid) the cover of a matchbook! I shall not be selfish about this, but that does not mean I will not talk about how you broke my heart on screwed 163 *grin*"}, {"response": 133, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (19:21)", "body": "Well, I am a charter graduate of the Close Cover Before Striking School of Broadcasting and Heavy Equipment Operation! An internet doctorate would not be out of the question, if it had more credibility (it should). All I need are a computer, a fax, a phone, snail mail and a college library. I have all those things here in Hilo. But people still look down their noses at it, even though a PhD is basically a research degree. I've been reading Screwed 163."}, {"response": 134, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (19:33)", "body": "(...and poems of loss and male babes, as well, for your reading pleasure...) Ah! A graduate of MBU (MatchBookUniversity)...you are not the first or last to get such a degree, but you are by far the smartest one I have ever met! I agree with you on the Internet degree...it will come, but it might take a while. Deborah then-Trumbo did hers that way and travelled a little, too. I guess it depends on what you want to do with it. Brain Surgery is probably out...! (btw, I posted in basketball here somewhere...about our really great new team!)"}, {"response": 135, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (20:04)", "body": "The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through October 10, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (63) (6-0) 1,743 1 2. Penn St (6) (6-0) 1,678 2 3. Nebraska (6-0) 1,595 4 4. Virginia Tech (1) (5-0) 1,497 5 5. Michigan St (6-0) 1,408 11 6. Tennessee (4-1) 1,398 6 7. Florida (5-1) 1,282 8 8. Georgia Tech (4-1) 1,258 7 9. Kansas St (5-0) 1,212 9 10. Michigan (5-1) 1,171 3 11. Alabama (4-1) 991 12 12. Mississippi St (6-0) 927 14 13. Texas A&M (4-1) 926 13 14. Georgia (4-1) 778 10 15. Marshall (5-0) 760 15 16. Syracuse (5-1) 715 18 17. Wisconsin (4-2) 606 20 18. Ohio St (4-2) 588 21 19. Texas (5-2) 454 23 20. Purdue (4-2) 366 17 21. BYU (4-1) 341 24 22. Mississippi (5-1) 218 NR 23. East Carolina (5-1) 205 16 24. Miami Fla (2-3) 161 19 25. So Mississippi (3-2) 124 NR Dropped Out: No. 22 USC, No. 25 Minnesota Others Receiving Votes: Air Force 67, Arizona 59, Minnesota 56, Notre Dame 51, Arkansas 33, Washington 25, Maryland 20, Kentucky 14, No Carolina St 5, Utah 5, Oklahoma 3, Pittsburgh 3, USC 3, Stanford 2, Wake Forest 1, Wyoming 1."}, {"response": 136, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (21:03)", "body": "Until Terry makes us a Collegiate Volleyball topic: Rank School Total Points 1999 Record Last Week 1 Pacific (34) 1455 5-0 6 2 Penn State (8) 1364 4-1 1 3 Hawai'i (9) 1359 2-0 4 4 Long Beach State (8) 1332 4-0 5 5 Nebraska 1242 4-2 3 6 Florida 1190 4-2 8 7 Stanford (1) 1162 1-1 2 8 Texas 1059 2-0 13 9 UC Santa Barbara 1005 2-0 11 10 UCLA 1004 2-0 10 11 Pepperdine 842 2-0 12 12 BYU 778 2-1 7 13 Wisconsin 656 3-1 9 14 Ohio State 597 1-0 17 15 Arizona 595 4-1 15 16 Arkansas 467 5-0 20 17 Texas A&M 465 3-1 16 18 Clemson 462 4-0 NR 19 Colorado State 440 4-0 24 20 USC 396 1-1 21 21 Univ of San Diego 369 2-1 18 22 Illinois 229 0-2 14 23 Colorado 192 2-1 19 24 Kansas State 148 3-1 23 25 Michigan 133 3-0 NR Others receiving 30 or more points: North Carolina (81), Michigan State (56), Loyola Marymount (55); Northern Iowa (41), Notre Dame (37), Indiana (35), Minnesota (30)."}, {"response": 137, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 1999 (21:06)", "body": "Hmmm...don't seem to see the Vulcans mentioned anywhere...*smirk*"}, {"response": 138, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 1999 (19:38)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through October 10, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (63) (6-0) 1,743 1 2. Penn St (6) (6-0) 1,678 2 3. Nebraska (6-0) 1,595 4 4. Virginia Tech (1) (5-0) 1,497 5 5. Michigan St (6-0) 1,408 11 6. Tennessee (4-1) 1,398 6 7. Florida (5-1) 1,282 8 8. Georgia Tech (4-1) 1,258 7 9. Kansas St (5-0) 1,212 9 10. Michigan (5-1) 1,171 3 11. Alabama (4-1) 991 12 12. Mississippi St (6-0) 927 14 13. Texas A&M (4-1) 926 13 14. Georgia (4-1) 778 10 15. Marshall (5-0) 760 15 16. Syracuse (5-1) 715 18 17. Wisconsin (4-2) 606 20 18. Ohio St (4-2) 588 21 19. Texas (5-2) 454 23 20. Purdue (4-2) 366 17 21. BYU (4-1) 341 24 22. Mississippi (5-1) 218 NR 23. East Carolina (5-1) 205 16 24. Miami Fla (2-3) 161 19 25. So Mississippi (3-2) 124 NR Dropped Out: No. 22 USC, No. 25 Minnesota Others Receiving Votes: Air Force 67, Arizona 59, Minnesota 56, Notre Dame 51, Arkansas 33, Washington 25, Maryland 20, Kentucky 14, No Carolina St 5, Utah 5, Oklahoma 3, Pittsburgh 3, USC 3, Stanford 2, Wake Forest 1, Wyoming 1."}, {"response": 139, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 1999 (19:47)", "body": "October 16 (Week 8) Penn State at Ohio State Kansas at Texas A&M Texas idle"}, {"response": 140, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 1999 (20:19)", "body": "Wishful thinking category: From The Sporting News. (15) Ohio State at (1) Penn State Saturday, October 16, Noon ET By Kyle Veltrop/The Sporting News The game: Ohio State (4-2, 1-1 Big Ten) at Penn State (6-0, 2-0). Site: Beaver Stadium, University Park, Pa. Date/time: Saturday, Noon ET. TV: ABC. Why you should watch: Two of the nation's perennial big boys meet, and though Ohio State isn't having a typical season by its standards, this still is a dangerous team that could end -- or severely harm -- Penn State's national title hopes. The Buckeyes are coming off a three-point win over Purdue after Boilermakers kicker Travis Dorsch had a potential game-tying field goal blocked with less than a minute to play. Penn State was a bit sluggish against overmatched Iowa, but the Nittany Lions eventually pulled away. Ohio State beat Penn State 28-9 in Columbus a year ago. When the Buckeyes have the ball: Sophomore quarterback Steve Bellisari still is growing on the job; he completed just 10-of-26 and was intercepted twice against Purdue. He also fumbled and was shaky on some of his reads, causing Cooper to have backup Austin Moherman warm up. But Bellisari, though unpredictable, continues to show promise. Bellisari's 10 completions averaged 17 yards, and his 68-yard run on the game's final drive iced the win. He also has shown an ability to throw the deep ball. But he clearly is not a finished product. Ohio State faithful will just have to ride out his rocky moments. Helping to ease Bellisari's growing pains are an emerging duo at receiver. Ken-Yon Rambo (6-1) and Reggie Germany (6-2) have nice size, can get behind secondaries and are capable of acrobatic catches. They combined for 129 yards receiving against Purdue and have combined for 51 catches in '99. They will be matched against the Penn State corner duo of David Macklin (5-9) and Anthony King (5-8). Look for Ohio State to attack downfield with Rambo and Germany. The big play is the one thing that's been rather consistent in this offense, and the Nittany Lions rank only 58th in the nation in pass defense. The Buckeyes never were able to establish a consistent ground game against Purdue. Michael Wiley carried only eight times but for 67 yards. Wiley also contributed by throwing a 7-yard TD pass and by running in a two-point conversion for the game's final points. But Ohio State needs to stick to its ground game, easing the pressure on still-raw Bellisari. If Cooper doesn't want to saddle Wiley with too many carries, Derek Combs and Jonathan Wells can carry a heavier load. Those two combined for 11 carries against Purdue. There is talent in the Buckeyes backfield. Penn State is allowing 118 yards per game on the ground. The linebacker trio of Mac Morrison, LaVar Arrington and Brandon Short can make it tough on any ground game. Short is coming off a monster game against Iowa; he recorded 10 tackles with a sack and tipped a punt. Key matchup: Penn State defensive end Courtney Brown and outside linebacker LaVar Arrington vs. Ohio State quarterback Steve Bellisari. Brown -- he of the school-record 54 career tackles-for-loss -- is a playmaker off the end. Arrington makes life miserable for quarterbacks. Bellisari, who was rattled against the Boilermakers, must know Brown and Arrington will try and get inside his head. Bellisari likes to roll out of the pocket, so it will be up to Brown and Arrington to contain him. When the Nittany Lions have the ball: The Nittany Lions will have to improve their offensive showing dramatically from a year ago, when Ohio State limited them to 179 yards total offense. The Lions used big plays to defeat Arizona and Miami (Fla.) this season. At other times, this offense is methodical and conservative. Now that the schedule stiffens, look for Penn State coaches to be more creative. Against Iowa, Penn State rolled up 341 yards rushing. Sophomore Eric McCoo gaining 130 yards on 13 carries, the first Lion to top the century mark in '99. That could spell trouble for an Ohio State run defense that ranks 83rd out of 114 teams. Wisconsin's Ron Dayne shredded this defense two weeks ago, and pass-oriented Purdue ran 30 times for 163 yards. With its stable of running backs, look for Penn State to run often. The quarterback tandem of Kevin Thompson and Rashard Casey has clicked for the most part, but they both struggled against the Hawkeyes. Combined, Thompson and Casey completed 16-of-33 passes for 159 yards and two interceptions. Casey is more mobile and gives the offense a different dimension. In fact, he is the Lions' second-leading rusher (after McCoo). Casey also has improved his passing, but Thompson probably will get more snaps. Key matchup: Penn State wide receiver Chafie Fields vs. Ohio State's secondary. A week after facing Purdue's fine receiving corps, the Buckeyes have to face one of the nation's more dangerous players. Fields leads the Lions with 20 catches and averages 20 yards per catch. He also is dangerous on reverses. Fields has com"}, {"response": 141, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 16, 1999 (14:45)", "body": "PENN STATE 23 OHIO 10"}, {"response": 142, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 16, 1999 (15:16)", "body": "TEXAS A&M 34 KANSAS 17"}, {"response": 143, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (19:22)", "body": "The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through October 17, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (62) (7-0) 1,742 1 2. Penn St (6) (7-0) 1,678 2 3. Nebraska (6-0) 1,580 3 4. Virginia Tech (2) (6-0) 1,561 4 5. Tennessee (4-1) 1,419 6 6. Florida (6-1) 1,368 7 7. Kansas St (6-0) 1,297 9 8. Georgia Tech (5-1) 1,247 8 9. Michigan (5-1) 1,157 10 10. Alabama (5-1) 1,089 11 11. Michigan St (6-1) 987 5 12. Mississippi St (6-0) 976 12 13. Texas A&M (5-1) 934 13 14. Georgia (5-1) 813 14 15. Marshall (6-0) 758 15 16. Purdue (5-2) 754 20 17. Wisconsin (5-2) 717 17 18. Texas (5-2) 532 19 19. BYU (5-1) 446 21 20. East Carolina (5-1) 301 23 21. So Mississippi (4-2) 282 25 22. Ohio St (4-3) 220 18 23. Miami Fla (2-3) 186 24 24. Minnesota (5-1) 162 NR 25. Mississippi (5-2) 126 22 Dropped Out: No. 16 Syracuse Others Receiving Votes: Notre Dame 108, Syracuse 95, Arizona 61, Kentucky 52, Arkansas 38, Utah 32, Stanford 11, Air Force 9, Virginia 6, Wyoming 3, Boston College 2, Iowa St 1."}, {"response": 144, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (20:02)", "body": "This Saturday's schedule: PENN STATE at PURDUE NEBRASKA at TEXAS TEXAS A&M at OKLAHOMA HAWAII at TULSA Don't have any idea who is favored in which games, but with Texas playing at home it still might be their toughest game so far. The rest of us play away games..."}, {"response": 145, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (21:12)", "body": "Current lines from Bally's Vegas: Penn State by 3.5 over Purdue Nebraska by 9 over Texas Texas A&M by 5 over Oklahoma Hawaii by 3 over Tulsa (which, spelled backwards is \"a slut\")"}, {"response": 146, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (21:21)", "body": "Thanks, John - I have no idea where to look for stuff like that...so we went odds-less last week. If their odds prove true it should be good for all but Texas and Terry, not surprisingly...!"}, {"response": 147, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (21:30)", "body": "Is someone you know an Aggie?"}, {"response": 148, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (21:36)", "body": "...no...but it is a state land grant college like Penn State in my Home state away from Home state...(where spring lives)"}, {"response": 149, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (21:38)", "body": "...and...yes."}, {"response": 150, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (21:42)", "body": "Oh. Gee Hawaii is a land grant state college as well (although the land granted it is understandably limited)."}, {"response": 151, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (22:17)", "body": "...Yes, it is, and I erred in not including Hawaii in that statement (but explained in Email.) I was thinking of the land grand colleges inaugurated in 1855 by Abraham Lincoln. U of Hawaii is not that old, is it???"}, {"response": 152, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct 22, 1999 (23:22)", "body": "No. The University of Hawaii is a toddler as far as universities go, established in 1907, and our own UH-Hilo (my alma mater) was established in 1947 (originally University of Hawaii, Hilo Branch, and then Hilo College before becoming the University of Hawaii at Hilo). The first building constructed on the Manoa (Honolulu) campus, Hawaii Hall (1907) is still there despite several proposals from the powers that be to raze it. Each time students--who amazingly are the ones who wish to protect history the e--have stepped in and saved the grand old lady."}, {"response": 153, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (16:19)", "body": "Thanks for the update on the UH history. I did know the UHH one (including the Hilo Campus designation which I hated) I am having to listed to Penn State play Purdue on Broadcast.com because our ABC affiliate is showing the Cal game...!"}, {"response": 154, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (17:59)", "body": "TEXAS 24 NEBRASKA 20"}, {"response": 155, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (18:07)", "body": "PENN STATE 31 PURDUE 25"}, {"response": 156, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (22:05)", "body": "HAWAII 35 TULSA 21"}, {"response": 157, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (22:07)", "body": "TEXAS A&M 6 OKLAHOMA 51"}, {"response": 158, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (23:03)", "body": "Hawaii is now 5-2 on the season. Former Rainbow coach Fred von Appen (1996-98) presided over 5 wins during his 3-year tenure. Coach June Jones has now won 5 games in his first season, basically using von Appen recruited personnel, plus a can-do attitude. Here's to keeping up with the Joneses!"}, {"response": 159, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (23:06)", "body": "That is so funny!!! GREEN writing to celebrate UH's victory. Amen to keeping up with the Jonses. That is not going to be as easy as once the saying implied!"}, {"response": 160, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 1999 (23:55)", "body": "Ah...Next week.... TCU is at Hawaii Penn State is at Illinois (who knocked off Michigan State today) Oklahoma State is at Texas A&M Texas is at Iowa State The two Texas teams I have been following should win next week. Illinois and Penn State...don't know. Also do not know anything about TCU, but I say we take them to the beach and sit them out in the hot sun all day before they play...! It used to work in the middle of winter with visiting basketball teams!"}, {"response": 161, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:13)", "body": "Actually it was Michigan my beloved Illini upset today. I can't believe it! JOHN'S SCORE OF THE DAY: ILLINOIS 35 (#9) MICHIGAN 29 Although I still love you, I can't root for the Nittany Lions next week, Marcia. If it's any comfort, I sincerely doubt it will matter. There's no chance that your beloved Lions will take my beloved Illini lightly, now."}, {"response": 162, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:20)", "body": "Thanks, John...I understand. There is no chance (as you could see by my \"predictions\" for next Saturday) that any Nittany Lion will take the Fighting Illini for granted. Both Michigan AND Michigan State lost today. What is happening...and Nebraska, too!!! (My late brother-in-law received his Master's from Illinios...his pennant hung over my bed for many years...!) And, I still love you, too *smile*"}, {"response": 163, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:27)", "body": "They turned me down for admission after I got out of the Navy, as did Michigan, UCLA, and USC. The only two four-year schools who accepted me were UH-Manoa and San Diego State. But I still grew up loving the Illini."}, {"response": 164, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (01:29)", "body": "...and what a scholar you proved to be. Their loss was Hilo's gain - for that I am eternally grateful, selfish wretch that I am..."}, {"response": 165, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (04:08)", "body": "There's no way they could have known then. If I turned out to be a scholar, I didn't see it coming, either."}, {"response": 166, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 1999 (14:16)", "body": "Truly??? (They did not offer placement tests and diploma equivalency tests in those days?!) I do not know how you could not have known you were more intelligent than the general Navy inlistee...unless you are like me and think everyone is at least as smart as I am...! I gather public school did nothing for you, in the \"keeping you coming back for more\" category!"}, {"response": 167, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct 26, 1999 (23:48)", "body": "Bally's Vegas early lines for Sat. Oct. 30: Penn State by 18.5 over Illinois Texas Christian by 6.5 over Hawaii Texas by 11.5 over Iowa State Texas A&M by 36 over Oklahoma State"}, {"response": 168, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct 26, 1999 (23:50)", "body": "The Naval test battery I took in boot camp told me what I now know. That I have a gift for language, that I am slightly better than average at math, and that I have no clue where mechanics are involved."}, {"response": 169, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct 27, 1999 (00:06)", "body": "Bummer for HAWAII ... (I don't believe that PSU over IU by anything like that big of a margain) Thanks for posting them, John. (You do not need to have a clue as to mechanics. You are a thinker and will pay those who cannot to do your mechanical stuff). The Navy stood you in good stead if what you say is the case!"}, {"response": 170, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct 27, 1999 (21:31)", "body": "Look at the Aggie line. They should be plenty PO'd this week, though. Many sports book operations--legit or otherwise--would not take a bet on that large a line."}, {"response": 171, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (01:30)", "body": "I have no idea how lousy OK State is this year, but that is a HUGE point spread!"}, {"response": 172, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (08:56)", "body": "Anyone know where the Horns ended up in the polls this week?"}, {"response": 173, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (12:01)", "body": "#12 both AP and ESPN/USA Today"}, {"response": 174, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (13:04)", "body": "Sorry - I though I had posted this The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through October 24, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (55) (8-0) 1,733 1 2. Penn St (10) (8-0) 1,684 2 3. Virginia Tech (5) (6-0) 1,603 4 4. Tennessee (5-1) 1,515 5 5. Florida (6-1) 1,456 6 6. Kansas St (7-0) 1,412 7 7. Georgia Tech (5-1) 1,329 8 8. (tie) Mississippi St (7-0) 1,180 12 8. (tie) Nebraska (6-1) 1,180 3 10. Georgia (6-1) 1,072 14 11. Wisconsin (6-2) 1,010 17 12. Texas (6-2) 992 18 13. Marshall (7-0) 921 15 14. Alabama (5-2) 805 10 15. Michigan (5-2) 649 9 16. BYU (6-1) 634 19 17. East Carolina (6-1) 545 20 18. Purdue (5-3) 511 16 19. Michigan St (6-2) 446 11 20. So Mississippi (5-2) 434 21 21. Ohio St (5-3) 388 22 22. Texas A&M (5-2) 264 13 23. Miami Fla (3-3) 244 23 24. Oklahoma (4-2) 174 NR 25. Mississippi (5-2) 171 25 Dropped Out: No. 24 Minnesota Others Receiving Votes: Notre Dame 119, Stanford 67, Utah 59, Syracuse 57, Minnesota 47, Arkansas 25, Illinois 10, Clemson 3, Louisiana Tech 3, Maryland 3, Air Force 2, Oregon 2, Washington 1."}, {"response": 175, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (14:02)", "body": "Wow, Texas is in striking distance of the top 10. And Nebraska is still ranked above Texas even though they lost to Texas (sure, might as well rub it in)."}, {"response": 176, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (23:32)", "body": "The TCU Horned Frogs arrived in Honolulu today featuring the nation's leading rusher, Ladainan Tomlinson, who sports both a diamond earring and a gold tooth. The Frogs (3-4) are 4-and-a-half point favorites with the illegal bookies on Honolulu's Hotel Street to beat the homestanding Rainbow Warriors (5-2). The Owls run a triple-option offense that is related to the wishbone that Rice used to smash the Bows a couple of weeks ago."}, {"response": 177, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (23:34)", "body": "I need an editor. What I meant to type is that the Horned Frogs run a triple-option running offense similar to the wishbone that the Rice Owls used to fly over the Bows a couple of weeks ago. Sheesh!!!!!"}, {"response": 178, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct 28, 1999 (23:58)", "body": "I edit, but only if it is sent to me before you hit the submit button! Terry, may I join you in \"rubbing it in\" to Nebraska? Is there a Penn Stater who likes that place?! They stole our national championship!!!"}, {"response": 179, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 1999 (00:00)", "body": "Refresh my memory. Was that the infamous \"fifth down\"?"}, {"response": 180, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 1999 (00:08)", "body": "No...it was more recent than that. The first time was when we were tied for first place and unbeaten during Nixon's regime. Someone told him Nebraska was unbeaten and forgot to mention us - Nixon proclaimed Nebraska national champs on the spot and no one dared to tell him otherwise. Then a few years ago they just awarded it to Nebraska on the \"strength\" of their schedule, supposedly. Who makes up those matches 10 years in advance?!"}, {"response": 181, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 1999 (00:14)", "body": "I'm sorry, I wasn't the matchmaker for that bout!"}, {"response": 182, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 1999 (00:24)", "body": "It must be late in the day for me - I had forgotten that 5th down! How could I?!"}, {"response": 183, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 1999 (00:33)", "body": "(John)I'm sorry, I wasn't the matchmaker for that bout! Yeah...me too!!!"}, {"response": 184, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 1999 (02:07)", "body": "The 5th down as a the game where Colorado won the title, now that I am thinking clearly. It was their coach, the Bible beating yet philandering Bill McCartney who tried to convince a disbelieving public that he was an innocent victim and had the high moral ground. How much did he pay the refs to have collective amnesia???"}, {"response": 185, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 1999 (15:05)", "body": "Don't think you want to know...(Hell fire and Damnation often works, too)"}, {"response": 186, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (00:10)", "body": "Auwe, John...our much anticipated Penn State - Illinois game is on ABC subject to regional coverage. That means we will not get to see it and will have to listen to broadcast.com for it - me to the Penn State coverage with George Paterno (who sounds just exactly like his brother Joe) and you to whomever is covering it for the Fighting Illini...may the best team win!!!"}, {"response": 187, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (00:44)", "body": "I wouldn't get to see it anyhow. I'll be working. I do feel for you, however."}, {"response": 188, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (00:45)", "body": "George Paterno calling Penn State football. Sounds like an objective broadcast to me..."}, {"response": 189, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (00:55)", "body": "Oh, he is *lol* And I shall feel for you... I can listen to you and George at the same time...!"}, {"response": 190, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (01:11)", "body": "Wow. That is multitasking multitalented. I'm impressed!"}, {"response": 191, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (04:04)", "body": "I'm definitely pulling for the Fighting Illini in that one, being and Illinois grad and all."}, {"response": 192, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (15:31)", "body": "Being a Penn State grad is a lonely business out here...*sigh* TEXAS 44 IOWA STATE 41"}, {"response": 193, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (16:22)", "body": "At the half: PENN STATE 7 ILLINOIS 7"}, {"response": 194, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (17:02)", "body": "at the end of the 3rd PENN STATE 24 Illinois 7"}, {"response": 195, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (17:29)", "body": "TEXAS A&M 21 OKLAHOMA STATE 3"}, {"response": 196, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (17:43)", "body": "Final: PENN STATE 27 ILLINOIS 7"}, {"response": 197, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (17:44)", "body": "sorry, John and Terry..."}, {"response": 198, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (17:51)", "body": "I just popped into the living room to see what other games were on and the CBS guys were berating Penn State for not dominating the game. There is never enough that PS can do to satisfy those guys. If we win big they accuse us of rolling up the score. If we win modestly they attack us for not being worthy of a national championship. I can feel it already. Somehow, someone will, no matter the outcome of the remaining games, will declare someone OTHER than PS as national champions ...Just Because...! am sick and tired of being the cinderella - I want to go to the ball, too!"}, {"response": 199, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (18:43)", "body": "Sorry to sound unsympathetic, but do you want some cheese to go with that whine? Try being a lifelong Illini football or Chicago Cubs fan."}, {"response": 200, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (18:56)", "body": "Just in case you missed my intended tone: ;) (not trying to be vicious, just ironic)"}, {"response": 201, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (18:59)", "body": "I am willing to put my blue-and-white Whine back on ice for New Year's Day when you will see Florida and Nebraska in the sugar bowl and PSU in some dismal Outback bowl or outhouse bowl. We will discuss it further at that time."}, {"response": 202, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (19:01)", "body": "I played in the toilet bowl...but Mom gave me a licking for it."}, {"response": 203, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (19:04)", "body": "I would LOVE to have a team that wins all their games, but that the media does not respect. BYU fans have their own related blue and white blues--but I hate them. I don't hate Penn State. Their the Big Ten's (that's a misnomer now) best chance for even a little national respect."}, {"response": 204, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (19:05)", "body": "and yes...I did mean \"They're the Big Ten's\" (ad on and on)"}, {"response": 205, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 1999 (19:32)", "body": "I posted my whine comment in telnet (via aloha.net and spring.net, so it was a double telnet - just wanted it see if I could do it successfully - and I did!). Out here in windows the stream of your comments is funny and ironic and very true. Big 11 is pretty mediocre this year...and everyone suffers for it - both in the conference and those they may play during the season. It is no honor to run rough shod over ill-prepared opposition (or disabled or whatever the cause). I appreciate your comments, as always."}, {"response": 206, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (01:08)", "body": "See Spring Gallery for John's U of Hawaii halftime score. It is his school, so I will not post the score."}, {"response": 207, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (10:23)", "body": "UT won a nail biter. What a great game. Right down to the wire against a tough Iowa State team. Kirk Bohl's: AMES, Iowa -- The laminated cardboard placards were plainly visible around the Texas practice field all week. Inscribed on them were the numbers 00:01 and the words of advice, ``Don't wait.\" When Major Applewhite called a timeout before Kris Stockton did his number on Iowa State, the scoreboard clock read 00:04. The Longhorns pushed it to the limit and barely heeded their head coach's cautionary message, but good things came to them anyway. When Stockton kicked an 18-yard field goal with no time remaining to give 12th-ranked Texas a heart-palpitating 44-41 victory over Iowa State on Saturday, it bore out several sage reminders, some of them having to do with the Cyclones' bomb-throwing quarterback, Sage Rosenfels. Among them were these: An ugly win beats an uglier loss. Iowa State could be the best 4-4 team in the country while 7-2 Texas is just one of the country's best teams. Period. And if it comes down to a final, game-turning drive, bet the farm on the Longhorns."}, {"response": 208, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (13:58)", "body": "Great Comments, Terry. Ugly wins are wins in the final analysis, and people tend to forget the ugly part when the statistics go in the book. Wonder what bowl game is in store for the 7-2 Longhorns...any idea? My biggest nightmare is that Penn State would play them in some bowl...talk about being torn... Terry, who would you root for if it came to the Illini vs Longhorns? John, who would you in the case of U of Hawaii vs the Illini?"}, {"response": 209, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (14:01)", "body": "HAWAII 34 TCU 14"}, {"response": 210, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (14:03)", "body": "Better color green - \"007700\" \"006600 would be darker and so on down the numbers in the center...!"}, {"response": 211, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (15:35)", "body": "Hawaii accepted me as a student, Illinois rejected my application. So it didn't hurt my feelings a big when the 1992 Holiday Bowl score turned out: HAWAII 27 ILLINOIS 17"}, {"response": 212, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (16:00)", "body": "Excellent! I did not remember that we had beaten a Big 10 team...Yippee!"}, {"response": 213, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 1999 (16:03)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through October 31, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (55) (9-0) 1,732 1 2. Penn St (9) (9-0) 1,683 2 3. Virginia Tech (6) (7-0) 1,607 3 4. Tennessee (6-1) 1,507 4 5. Florida (7-1) 1,470 5 6. Kansas St (8-0) 1,417 6 7. Georgia Tech (6-1) 1,331 7 8. Mississippi St (7-0) 1,207 8 9. Nebraska (7-1) 1,155 8 10. Wisconsin (7-2) 1,087 11 11. Texas (7-2) 996 12 12. Alabama (6-2) 935 14 13. Marshall (8-0) 931 13 14. Georgia (6-2) 787 10 15. BYU (7-1) 734 16 16. Michigan (6-2) 691 15 17. Purdue (6-3) 602 18 18. East Carolina (7-1) 594 17 19. Michigan St (6-2) 472 19 20. Ohio St (6-3) 459 21 21. Texas A&M (6-2) 356 22 22. Miami Fla (4-3) 302 23 23. Mississippi (6-2) 262 25 24. Notre Dame (5-3) 112 NR 25. So Mississippi (5-3) 111 20 Dropped Out: No. 24 Oklahoma Others Receiving Votes: Arkansas 81, Washington 31, Boston College 30, Louisiana Tech 21, Minnesota 13, Arizona 7, Colorado 7, Utah 5, Kentucky 3, Oregon 3, Western Mich 3, Air Force 2, Syracuse 2, Oregon St 1, Stanford 1."}, {"response": 214, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Nov  4, 1999 (15:28)", "body": "Games for this Saturday: Minnesota at Penn State Penn State favored to win Texas at Oklahoms State Oklahoma State favored to win Texas A&M at Nebraska Texas A&M favored to win Illinois at Iowa Illinois NEEDS this game but who is favored Hawaii at San Jose State no info - John, Help!"}, {"response": 215, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Nov  4, 1999 (22:59)", "body": "In a heart breaker for those with ties to Kentucky KENTUCKY 22 MISSISSIPPI STATE 23"}, {"response": 216, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (17:47)", "body": "I won't get to see the Texas game till 10:30 pm on Channel 24 in Austin, they're doing a tape delay, so I'll have to try and shield myself from scores all day Saturday. So please don't post the outcome of the Texas game on Saturday, deal?"}, {"response": 217, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (18:21)", "body": "DEAL I will not post any scores till Sunday... just in case! and I am Emailing John with the same message. Good luck!"}, {"response": 218, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (11:03)", "body": "Just the Texas score, as far as I'm concerned. This should be a tricky game for the Horns, with the difficulty they had last week. Is it safe to say that there are no \"great\" teams this year? I mean, Texas is either 10th or 11th depending on which poll you look at and they still can't be considered a dominant team and are prone to lose on any given Sunday. But they do have this way with Nebraska, the Cornhuskers know who mama is now."}, {"response": 219, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (14:49)", "body": "MINNESOTA 24 PENN STATE 23"}, {"response": 220, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (14:51)", "body": "Dominant teams this year? It sure isn't Penn State. I am in shock!"}, {"response": 221, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (18:29)", "body": "Whew, no one posted a score and I still don't know the outcome. I had a close call, but shield my eyes just in time earlier today."}, {"response": 222, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (18:57)", "body": "John and I are the only ones who do, and he and I agree in the spirit of fairness not to post the Texas score until you do yourself!"}, {"response": 223, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (02:23)", "body": "Marcia...I'm sorry Penn State lost, but posting the score in small black letters is unfortunately not going to change that. This one, unfortunately, PSU should have won. And the hated media will have a field day about the underachieving Lions. Meanwhile, in San Jose HAWAII 62 SAN JOSE STATE 41"}, {"response": 224, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (02:24)", "body": "Turning the font off"}, {"response": 225, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (08:53)", "body": "I just closed my eyes, in case, isince I fell asleep during the 4th quarter last night. I'll catch it on tivo this morning."}, {"response": 226, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (23:57)", "body": ""}, {"response": 227, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (23:59)", "body": "see what happens when you create a HTML nightmare and forget one of the tags when you close them out? Read and learn!!!"}, {"response": 228, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (00:01)", "body": "Notice that Hawaii got 2 votes??!! Is that a first for the UH concerning national rankings???"}, {"response": 229, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (00:05)", "body": "Hana Hou for the past weekend: This was not a good weekend for some of us... TEXAS A&M 0 NEBRASKA 37 TEXAS 34 OKLAHOMA STATE 21 ILLINOIS 40 IOWA 24 HAWAII 62 SAN JOSE STATE 41 Cannot find a score for UCLA for Nancy. The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through November 7, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (66) (9-0) 1,746 1 2. Virginia Tech (4) (8-0) 1,656 3 3. Tennessee (7-1) 1,599 4 4. Florida (8-1) 1,523 5 5. Kansas St (9-0) 1,495 6 6. Penn St (9-1) 1,328 2 7. Nebraska (8-1) 1,296 9 8. Mississippi St (8-0) 1,288 8 9. Wisconsin (8-2) 1,206 10 10. Texas (8-2) 1,085 11 11. Alabama (7-2) 1,006 12 12. Marshall (9-0) 947 13 13. Georgia Tech (6-2) 853 7 14. Georgia (6-2) 825 14 15. BYU (8-1) 805 15 16. Michigan (7-2) 749 16 17. Michigan St (7-2) 680 19 18. Mississippi (7-2) 508 23 19. Miami Fla (5-3) 486 22 20. Minnesota (6-3) 357 NR 21. So Mississippi (6-3) 310 25 22. Purdue (6-4) 288 17 23. Washington (6-3) 213 NR 24. East Carolina (7-2) 99 18 25. Ohio St (6-4) 89 20 Dropped Out: No. 21 Texas A&M, No. 24 Notre Dame Others Receiving Votes: Texas A&M 70, Louisiana Tech 60, Boston College 55, Oklahoma 30, Virginia 20, Oregon 15, Stanford 11, Clemson 9, Oregon St 9, Syracuse 6, Arkansas 5, Western Mich 5, Utah 4, Fresno St 3, Louisville 3, Hawaii 2, Notre Dame 2, Arizona 1, Boise St 1, Miami Ohio 1, Wyoming 1."}, {"response": 230, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (00:06)", "body": "I can't believe it...but I am not redoing it again. This report is jinxed!"}, {"response": 231, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (05:46)", "body": "Wow, Texas busts in to the top 10. I've never heard much about VA Tech, but they're up there at number two!"}, {"response": 232, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (11:55)", "body": "Va Tech is unbeaten but they also played nobody. Curious how little they respect Penn State's schedule and abilities. Some jealousy there? Texas and Penn State are closing in on one another. Oh my, to be in the same bowl together...! That was a knuckle-biter Texas played over the weekend. How could you fall asleep at the end?! (Sounds like a VERY tired Terry!)"}, {"response": 233, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (15:30)", "body": "I wuz tired. But I caught my tape the next morning."}, {"response": 234, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (15:44)", "body": "...and all without having the ending spoiled for you? I hope so!!! Today we go through the same drill. MNFootball is tape delayed so we dodge all news and sports programming until we can tune in on the game at 6:30pm our time."}, {"response": 235, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Nov 11, 1999 (22:05)", "body": "This Saturday: Michigan at Penn State Penn State by one point Texas Tech at Texas Texas by a bunch Fresno State at Hawaii Hawaii should win easily Illinois at Ohio State Ohio State is favored Texas A&M at Missouri Aggies favored Washington at UCLA Washington favored by a bunch"}, {"response": 236, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (14:43)", "body": "TEXAS A&M MISSOURI PENN STATE 27 MICHIGAN 31 ILLINOIS 46 OHIO STATE 20"}, {"response": 237, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (14:58)", "body": "TEXAS A&M 51 MISSOURI 14"}, {"response": 238, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (19:19)", "body": "UCLA 23 WASHINGTON 20"}, {"response": 239, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (22:14)", "body": "Texas 58 Texas Tech 7 Phil Simms had a nice final drive, then the third string qb came in and ran a scoring drive. Needless to say, the Major had a huge day."}, {"response": 240, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (22:15)", "body": "Chris Simms, I meant to say. Penn State came so close."}, {"response": 241, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 13, 1999 (22:20)", "body": "Texas 58 Texas Tech 7 Phil Simms had a nice final drive, then the third string qb came in and ran a scoring drive. Needless to say, the Major had a huge day."}, {"response": 242, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (15:00)", "body": "Tell me about it...I was delighted for you and am happy you posted your score. Did you see where Texas was in the standings and how far below you Penn State is??? *sob* Other splendid news is that for the first time ever, Hawaii wrapped up the WAC championship....They are going to their own bowl!!! HAWAII 31 FRESNO STATE 24 (OT)"}, {"response": 243, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 14, 1999 (15:04)", "body": "USA Today/ESPN Top 25 College Football Coaches' Poll The USA TODAY/ESPN Coaches Top 25 college football coaches' poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through November 13, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (58) (10-0) 1,474 1 2. Virginia Tech (1) (9-0) 1,410 2 3. Florida (9-1) 1,347 4 4. Nebraska (9-1) 1,310 6 5. Wisconsin (9-2) 1,218 9 6. Texas (9-2) 1,104 10 7. Tennessee (7-2) 1,011 3 8. Alabama (8-2) 994 13 9. Kansas St (9-1) 982 5 10. Michigan (8-2) 918 15 11. Marshall (10-0) 859 11 12. Georgia Tech (7-2) 850 14 13. Penn St (9-2) 757 8 14. Michigan St (8-2) 753 17 15. Mississippi St (8-1) 752 7 16. Mississippi (7-2) 547 18 17. So Mississippi (7-3) 423 20 18. Minnesota (7-3) 407 21 19. BYU (8-2) 372 12 20. Texas A&M (7-3) 345 23 21. East Carolina (8-2) 283 24 22. Boston College (7-2) 260 25 23. Georgia (6-3) 241 16 24. Arkansas (6-3) 143 NR 25. Purdue (6-4) 108 NR Dropped Out: No. 19 Miami Fla, No. 22 Washington Others Receiving Votes: Stanford 71, Oklahoma 68, Miami Fla 33, Louisiana Tech 26, Oregon 25, Washington 18, Virginia 12, Colorado St 11, Illinois 11, Louisville 10, Hawaii 8 , Clemson 6, Oregon St 4, Colorado 3, Wyoming 1."}, {"response": 244, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (09:31)", "body": "Wow, if Texas beats Nebraska for the Big 12 title they would have to be in the hunt for the National title. What a huge game this is shaping up to be. Folks around these parts are ecstatic about this team. Both the Cowboys and the Longhorns really beat up on the other teams QBs this weekend. Texas Tech's QBs both took a beating, and the starter had to come out. Hodges had another great running game and the defense was awesome, they nearly had a shutout. The second string allowed the only TD of the game. Chris Simms looked impressive again, filling in at the end for Major Applewhite. So, the Aggies are next on Thanksgiving I believe. This game and the title game with Nebraska could make Texas a national champion or at least get them in the top 5."}, {"response": 245, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 15, 1999 (14:04)", "body": "This coming weekend Penn State loses to Michigan State Hawaii doesn't care against Navy Texas is idle Texas A&M is idle but they play each other on FRIDAY, November 26 for Spring Bragging rights or something like that. The AP poll has Texas and Penn State in the same place in the rankings, but has the Aggies 24th. What is it with polls and state Universities?! Terry, in a matchup between Penn State and Texas, who do you think would win - other than the team who wanted it the most...?"}, {"response": 246, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (08:25)", "body": "I don't know much about Penn State except the one game I saw, and, based on that, I'd have to give the nod to Texas. But I'm so biased! The rest will do Texas good. Texas is really starting to jell. But there is always the fear that they'll snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again. If they beat Nebraska and A&M, they have to be considered in the naitonal championship hunt."}, {"response": 247, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 16, 1999 (12:59)", "body": "In the beginning of the season, I would have called it differently. Right now, we are playing so erratically that it is anybody's guess, and if I had to put money on it, it would be on Texas, unfortuantely. I wish The 'horns all the luck in the world and I am rooting for them (except perhaps remaining neutral for the Aggie game out of loyalty to a very special friend)in the championship hunt. I think they are as deserving as any other team up there! (...and I am biased, as well. I never rooted for any hing from Texas until I became a member of the Spring and left my heart here.)"}, {"response": 248, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (15:38)", "body": "A little levity in what has been a disnal month so far for Penn State (Thanks Barbara): Four SEC Alumni were climbing a mountain one day. Each was from a different SEC school and each proclaimed to be the most loyal of all fans at their alma mater. As they climbed higher, they argued as to which one of them was the most loyal of all. They continued to argue all the way up the mountain, and finally as they reached the top, the Georgia Bulldog hurled himself off the mountain, shouting \"This is for the Dawgs!\" as he fell to his doom. Not wanting to be out done, the Auburn Tiger threw himself off the mountain proclaiming \"this is for the War Eagles!\" Seeing this the Tennessee Volunteer walked over and shouted \"This is for everyone\" and pushed the Florida Gator off the side of the mountain."}, {"response": 249, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (16:55)", "body": "Good idea on that Leonid livecam, what's that url again?"}, {"response": 250, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 17, 1999 (17:32)", "body": "http://www.live-leonids.org/en/live.html"}, {"response": 251, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (07:06)", "body": "Kirk Bohls column: Texas will need an act of Congress to move ahead of Rose Bowl-bound Wisconsin, whose regular season is finished. But should a team that lost to Cincinnati really be a candidate for the BCS championship game? At least North Carolina State has won six games this season and plays in a real conference. Speaking of which, for the impossible to become possible, top-rated Florida State would have to stumble against Florida, which in turn would have to fall in the Southeastern Conference title game. Well, we can dream can't we?"}, {"response": 252, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (11:22)", "body": "One of us has to uphold the Spring's honor...amd it sure isn't gonna be Penn State. I get to listen to the game on the Internet - again!!! Boring! We won 9 and were not \"blown out\" by anyone. We played poorly, but did not lose dismally. Why are we so far down the rankings?! (I know, but I think that is a really no-class excuse!) This upcoming intrastate Texas game is one on which I am a fence-sitter. I wish they both could win!"}, {"response": 253, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (18:12)", "body": "*sigh* Penn State 28 Michigan State 35 We fall to 9-3 and Michigan State goes to 9-2 *sob*"}, {"response": 254, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (18:35)", "body": "I guess that means we play in Texas for the bowl game which will accept us (according to the Penn State Football Letter)...would that be the Alamo Bowl? I rather thought it might be the \"Little House Out Back of the Outback Bowl bowl\" to be played in a waste pit near ???..."}, {"response": 255, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 20, 1999 (22:20)", "body": "I am sure everyone is asleep, but if anyone sees this tonight, the Rainbow (U of Hawaii vs Navy) game is being broadcast in live streaming video http://www.broadcast.com/sports/ncaa/Hawaii/football/listenpage_83_64_10655.html Choose the lower of the two purple buttons."}, {"response": 256, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (13:19)", "body": "HAWAII 34 NAVY 27 How sweet it was. We were presented with the WAC trophy before the game for being champions of the Western Athletic Conference. How sweet that is!"}, {"response": 257, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (13:22)", "body": "(Shoulda chosen 00cc00 rather than 00ff00....) This means Hawaii will get to play in their own Bowl, The Aloha Bowl on Christmas Day probably against Oregon State."}, {"response": 258, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (09:19)", "body": "UT just slipped to 7th in the polls and Nebraska went up to 3rd (UT beat Nebraska, remember?) and Nebraska must win one more time to face the Horns in the Big 12 Championship game. If this happens, the Horns will be going for their fourth straight win over Nebraska."}, {"response": 259, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (13:29)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through November 21, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (66) (11-0) 1,746 1 2. Virginia Tech (4) (10-0) 1,681 2 3. Nebraska (9-1) 1,607 4 4. Wisconsin (9-2) 1,474 5 5. Florida (9-2) 1,380 3 6. Tennessee (8-2) 1,339 7 7. Texas (9-2) 1,326 6 8. Alabama (9-2) 1,303 8 9. Kansas St (10-1) 1,253 9 10. Michigan (9-2) 1,125 10 11. Michigan St (9-2) 1,071 15 12. Marshall (10-0) 1,021 11 13. Minnesota (8-3) 826 17 14. So Mississippi (8-3) 642 18 15. Penn St (9-3) 616 13 16. Georgia (7-3) 591 21 17. Arkansas (7-3) 583 22 18. Mississippi St (8-2) 576 12 19. Purdue (7-4) 452 19 20. Georgia Tech (7-3) 415 14 21. East Carolina (9-2) 382 23 22. Boston College (8-2) 379 25 23. Mississippi (7-3) 266 16 4. Texas A&M (7-3) 225 24 25. Louisiana Tech (8-2) 131 NR Dropped Out: No. 19 BYU Others Receiving Votes: Stanford 105, BYU 47, Oregon 47, Illinois 38 , Miami Fla 38, Wyoming 21, Utah 16, Colorado St 9, Hawaii 6 , Clemson 4, Virginia 4, Oklahoma 2, Washington 2, Boise St 1."}, {"response": 260, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (13:31)", "body": "Fingers crossed for Texas and anyone else who can beat Nebraska!"}, {"response": 261, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 1999 (23:09)", "body": "Although . . . And it's a big although. They could face Kansas State which could even be more interesting since they lost to them in a blowout. That would be an opportunity for redemption. In a way, I'd rather see this matchup."}, {"response": 262, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (11:26)", "body": "I would, as well...but who would you play in that case? I do not trust Nebraska except to mess up a perfectly good year...!"}, {"response": 263, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (11:56)", "body": "What do you mean, who would you play?"}, {"response": 264, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (13:00)", "body": "In response 261 you commented that \"they\" could play Kansas State (meaning Nebraska, I thought.) In that event, would that mean Texas had been eliminated or that Texas would play someone else for the Big 12 championship? (I am almost afraid to post this because I think it means Texas would be eliminated in that case...)"}, {"response": 265, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (14:38)", "body": "Texas will play no matter what. But it could be either K State or the Corn Huskers. Friday's the A&M game, it starts early."}, {"response": 266, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (15:13)", "body": "Yes, I know about the A&M game. I guess I will have to tape it because it will be Monday before I can watch it unless I can get a modem port in the media room (fat chance of that) during the tournament... Who would you rather play? Nebraska has been spotty this year despite their 9-1 record. I hope you play Kansas State since I have known what Nebraska can to to Penn State in a bowl game. If PSU cannot win this thang, Texas MUST!!!"}, {"response": 267, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (15:29)", "body": "A K State game would provide Texas a chance to prove themselves, they've already beat Nebraska the last three times out, so they've been there, done that."}, {"response": 268, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (16:05)", "body": "At this point I think I'd choose the easy way out, and you seem to know what it takes to beat Nebraska. Is it necessary to play K-State? I think I have changed my mind!!!"}, {"response": 269, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 1999 (23:59)", "body": "I just think it would bring more completion and finality to their season. Since K State whupped up on 'em pretty bad first time out this year. It would be better closure."}, {"response": 270, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 25, 1999 (00:02)", "body": "I'll be taping this game, is this the one you'll be romping around on the sidelines, Marcia? Cinncinnati vs. Cleveland State Friday 11/26 \"Big Island Invitational\" Are there other games and what are the gametimes? (cst)"}, {"response": 271, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Nov 25, 1999 (00:27)", "body": "Yes..I'll be there for all of them...See http://uhhilo.rivals.com/ for the entire scoop and a webcast of the games. Big Island Invitational is the name of the event. Other games are: 11/26 4pm - Cincinnati vs Cleveland (All times Austin time) 6:30pm - Rhode Island vs Santa Clara 9pm - Arkansas vs Washington 11:30pm - Iowa State vs UHHilo 11/27 Game times (teams depending on the outcome of the previous day's play) 4pm 6:30pm 9pm (televised by Fox Sport West) 11:30pm 11/28 12:30 pm 3:30 pm - Consolation game 6pm - Third place game 8:30pm - Championship game (televised on all Fox sports networks"}, {"response": 272, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 25, 1999 (07:32)", "body": "I set TIVO to record these times: 11/26 5:30 - 7:30 pm Cinn vs Cleve 11/27 6:30 - 7:00 pm 8:00 - 8:30 pm 11/28 8:30 - 10:00 pm Championship game It's on channel 637 on DirectTV"}, {"response": 273, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov 26, 1999 (13:27)", "body": "The Battle of Texas for 1999 is history: TEXAS A&M 20 TEXAS 16"}, {"response": 274, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov 26, 1999 (13:31)", "body": "Penn State plays in the Alamo Bowl. Anyone know who we play?"}, {"response": 275, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov 26, 1999 (13:47)", "body": "Just checked the Official site of the Alamo Bowl - we will play a team from the Big 12. Wanna bet it is someone I have been rooting for all season...*sigh* http://www.studiogallo.com/alamobowl2/home.asp The SYLVANIA Alamo Bowl will once again feature teams from the Big Ten and Big 12 Conferences. SYLVANIA Alamo Bowl VII is scheduled for Tuesday, December 28, 1999 at 6:30 p.m. (CST) in San Antonio's 65,000-seat, state-of-the-art Alamodome. The SYLVANIA Alamo Bowl owns the third selections from both conferences after the Bowl Championship Series (Sugar, Fiesta, Orange and Rose Bowls) makes its selections. In 1999 the SYLVANIA Alamo Bowl will also serve as the official local host organization for the Fourth Annual Dr Pepper Big 12 Football Championship Game, scheduled for Saturday, December 4 in the Alamodome. That game will match the champions of the Big 12's North and South Divisions, with the winner earning the conference's automatic invitation to one of the four BCS bowls. The 1999 Dr Big 12 Championship Game marks the second time San Antonio and the Alamo Bowl have played host to this marquee event. On December 6, 1997, No. 2 Nebraska defeated No. 14 Texas A&M 54-15 in front of an Alamodome record crowd of 64,842 on its way to a share of the national championship. For more information on either game please contact the SYLVANIA Alamo Bowl at 210.226.BOWL (2695). Detailed information concerning both games and its ancillary events are also available on this web site."}, {"response": 276, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 26, 1999 (18:34)", "body": "Horns lost but you can't feel bad about A&M winning, it will help their healing process. Colorado! Man, oh, man, oh, man, man, man. Did they come close to a spectacular come behind win against Nebraska, they were an easy field goal away and blew it. But what a gutty performance by the Colorado quarterbook, who took a beating but kept on coming back to tie it in regulation with three unawnswered scores. Chris Simms did well against A&M, he played three quarters and they put the ailing Major in for the fourth quarter. Shoulda stuck with Chris. But woulda, coulda, shouda doesn't count. Give credit to the Aggies, they deserved a win. Man that Colorado game was a heartbreaker , well, it's the Huskers and Horns in the Big 12 showdown next weekend. Can the Horns fourpeat?"}, {"response": 277, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 27, 1999 (11:59)", "body": "The Aggies really wanted that game. It is hard to defeat an emotionally determined and motivated team who can also play a mean game of football. It sure doesn't help that your QB was so sick. You are right - they shoulds stuck with Chris Simms! I was also pulling for Colorado. I thought they just might pull it out. Alas, it is up to your Horns to get them next weekend!"}, {"response": 278, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (17:57)", "body": "BCS Standings List Associated Press Through Games of Nov. 27 Associated Press expanded Top 25 AP poll week-by-week ESPN / USA Today poll Poll Comp Schedule AP U-E Avg. Avg. Str Rank L Tot. 1. Florida St. 1 1 1.00 1.00 6 0.24 0 2.24 2. Virginia Tech 2 2 2.00 2.00 54 2.16 0 6.16 3. Nebraska 3 3 3.00 2.86 21 0.84 1 7.70 4. Florida 5 5 5.00 6.00 12 0.48 2 13.48 5. Tennessee 6 6 6.00 5.57 14 0.56 2 14.13 6. Kansas St. 8 7 7.50 4.57 63 2.52 1 15.59 7. Alabama 7 8 7.50 7.00 1 0.04 2 16.54 8. Wisconsin 4 4 4.00 7.71 74 2.96 2 16.67 9. Michigan 9 9 9.00 8.57 3 0.12 2 19.69 10. Michigan St. 10 10 10.00 7.86 10 0.40 2 20.26 *11. Texas 12 12 12.00 13.00 24 0.96 3 28.96 12. Marshall 11 11 11.00 14.71 98 3.92 0 29.63 *13. Penn St. 14 17 15.50 11.14 9 0.36 3 30.00 14. Minnesota 13 13 13.00 16.71 52 2.08 3 34.79 *15. Texas A&M 18 14 16.00 15.43 28 1.12 3 35.55 RB DI KM NYT DR JS S-H ST 1. Florida St. (1) 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2. Virginia Tech 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 (3) 3. Nebraska 3 3 3 (4) 3 3 3 2 4. Florida 6 (10) 7 8 4 7 5 5 5. Tennessee (8) 6 5 5 6 5 4 8 6. Kansas St. 4 5 4 (6) 5 4 6 4 7. Alabama 7 8 (11) 3 7 11 7 6 8. Wisconsin 9 4 6 9 9 6 11 (13) 9. Michigan (10) 9 9 7 10 9 9 7 10. Michigan St. 5 7 (10) 10 8 8 8 9 *11. Texas 14 11 (15) 13 13 14 14 12 12. Marshall (33) 25 8 11 11 12 20 16 *13. Penn St. 11 12 12 (22) 12 10 10 11 14. Minnesota 15 19 17 (21) 14 16 15 21 *15. Texas A&M 13 15 16 (17) 17 17 16 14"}, {"response": 279, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 30, 1999 (06:53)", "body": "Texas 11th, but they're playing the Nebraska powerhouse again. Who your moma, Nebraska?"}, {"response": 280, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 30, 1999 (13:03)", "body": "I will root for anyone in Texas over Nebraska who has been our nemesis more than once. Since we (Penn State) have embraced the \"shoot yourself in the foot\" defense and offense, I would prefer to give Texas the win over Nebraska! Any Day! Please win this one for Marci in Hilo who once had visions on National Championships dancing in her head..."}, {"response": 281, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (13:39)", "body": "My worst nightmares have come true... 1999 SYLVANIA Alamo Bowl The No. 17 Penn State Nittany Lions (9-3) and the No. 14 Texas A&M Aggies will represent the Big Ten and Big 12 Conferences in this year's SYLVANIA Alamo Bowl. The game is scheduled for Tuesday, December 28 at 6:30 p.m. (CST)."}, {"response": 282, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (13:42)", "body": "But...before that can happen...this afternoon the Big Twelve Championship game: DR PEPPER BIG 12 FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP Texas amd Nebraska will play in the fourth annual Dr Pepper Big 12 Conference Football Championship Game in front of a record crowd of over 65,000 at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas, on Saturday, December 4, 1999. Kickoff is scheduled for 2:30 p.m. (CST) and will again be televised nationally by ABC Sports. The winner of the contest receives the Big 12 Conference\ufffds automatic invitation to the Bowl Championship Series (BCS), which consists of the Nokia Sugar Bowl, FedEx Orange Bowl, Tostitos Fiesta Bowl and the Rose Bowl. Last season, No. 6 Texas A&M defeated No. 1 Kansas State 36-33 in double overtime in the third annual contest before more than 60,000 fans and a national television audience at the Trans World Dome in St. Louis, Mo. The Alamodome is the home of the SYLVANIA Alamo Bowl and the NBA\ufffds San Antonio Spurs. It was the site for the 1997 NCAA Division I Men\ufffds Basketball Midwest Regional and 1998 NCAA Men\ufffds Final Four, and will host the NCAA Division I Men\ufffds Midwest Regional Tournament in 2001, the NCAA Women\ufffds Final Four in 2002, the NCAA Men\ufffds South Regional in 2003 and the NCAA Men\ufffds Final Four in 2004. The 1999 game marks the second time the Alamodome and San Antonio will host the Dr Pepper Big 12 Championship Game. The largest football crowd in Alamodome history -- 64,824 -- watched No. 2 Nebraska defeat No. 14 Texas A&M 54-15 in the 1997 Dr Pepper Big 12 Championship Game."}, {"response": 283, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (20:38)", "body": "Perhaps another venue than the Alamodome should be used when Texas teams play Nebraska. Today's result sends Texas to the Cotton Bowl and Nebraska to the Sugar Bowl... Final score NEBRASKA 22 TEXAS 6 Earlier, in the Army-Navy game (I am an Air Force fan) NAVY 19 ARMY 9"}, {"response": 284, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (20:42)", "body": "Big 12 pencils in bowl teams DALLAS (AP) -- The Big 12 announced a preliminary bowl lineup Wednesday, contingent on the Bowl Championship Series releasing Kansas State as an at-large team Sunday. \"We are still in a holding pattern related to the absolute release of Kansas State,\" commissioner Kevin Weiberg said. \"But we have developed a plan in case we only move one team into the BCS picture.\" The winner of Saturday's Big 12 championship game in San Antonio between Nebraska and Texas probably will earn an automatic spot in the Fiesta Bowl in Tempe, Ariz., on Jan. 2. The runner-up will represent the conference in the Cotton Bowl in Dallas on New Year's Day. Kansas State, if not selected by the BCS, will play in the Holiday Bowl in San Diego on Dec. 29. Nebraska, third in the BCS poll, remains a possible selection for the national championship game and the Sugar Bowl. Texas A&M will face Penn State in the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio on Dec. 28; Colorado is set to play in the Insight.com Bowl in Tucson, Ariz., on Dec. 31; and Oklahoma will fill the remaining slot in the Dec. 31 Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. Texas Tech, one of seven bowl eligible teams in the Big 12, received no invitation but was under consideration by both the Insight.com and Independence bowls. The Red Raiders would receive an invitation if the conference lands two teams in the BCS."}, {"response": 285, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (20:51)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through November 28, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (64) (11-0) 1,744 1 2. Virginia Tech (6) (11-0) 1,685 2 3. Nebraska (10-1) 1,599 3 4. Wisconsin (9-2) 1,488 4 5. Florida (9-2) 1,428 5 6. Tennessee (9-2) 1,385 6 7. Alabama (9-2) 1,320 8 8. Kansas St (10-1) 1,299 9 9. Michigan (9-2) 1,175 10 10. Michigan St (9-2) 1,132 11 11. Marshall (11-0) 1,042 12 12. Texas (9-3) 957 7 13. Minnesota (8-3) 871 13 14. Penn St (9-3) 717 15 15. So Mississippi (8-3) 707 14 16. Mississippi St (9-2) 685 18 17. Georgia Tech (8-3) 652 20 18. Texas A&M (8-3) 581 24 19. Purdue (7-4) 485 19 20. East Carolina (9-2) 432 21 21. Georgia (7-4) 316 16 22. Stanford (8-3) 267 NR 23. Miami Fla (7-4) 140 NR 24. Arkansas (7-4) 134 17 25. Boston College (8-3) 114 22 Dropped Out: No. 23 Mississippi, No. 25 Louisiana Tech Others Receiving Votes: Mississippi 112, Oregon 81, BYU 68, Illinois 42 , Colorado St 24, Oklahoma 22, Utah 13, Clemson 8, Louisiana Tech 7, Virginia 7, USC 5, Washington 4, Colorado 2. updated at Sun Nov 28 14:50:29 1999 PT"}, {"response": 286, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (20:58)", "body": "All I need to know I learned in college football DECEMBER 4, 1999 College Football Blitz By Will Leitch The Sporting News Must admit, folks, I'm pretty sad today. It's been a wild, nutty college football season, full of intrigue, scandal, gossip and surreal moments Salvador Dali would have shaved his mustache for. And now it's over, except for the bowls, of course. And so is this column. So forgive me, but it's time to wax nostalgic about the 1999 season. So here's what I learned from college football this year, and whom I learned it from. From NCAA referees: If you smile, you are taunting the other team and need to be punished. From John Cooper: Columbus seems like the huge city it is when everyone there wants to strangle you. From Keith Jackson: If you retire and then change your mind about it, even after getting tributes every single week, you get banished to covering Pac-10 games all season as punishment. From LaVar Arrington: Attacking kickers is easy. . . . and fun! From Brent Musberger: It is fun to watch a football game while listening to something else. (By the way, I've decided to come up with a fun drinking game. Whenever Musberger does a Texas game, like he did Saturday, and calls Major Applewhite \"The Major\" -- which no one else on the planet seems to do -- you have to drink. The good news is that you'll be passed out by the end of the first quarter and won't have to listen anymore). From Penn State: You can make a trip from New Orleans to the Alamo Bowl in three short weeks. From Michael Vick: If you're the nation's leader in pass efficiency and the lightning rod for an undefeated national championship contender, you can't even be considered for the Heisman Trophy if you're a freshman. From Barry Alvarez's head: Just because you are a good football coach and have led your team to two straight Rose Bowls doesn\ufffdt mean you're not ugly. From Carl Torbush: It is important that if you ever get fired, don't tell off your bosses just yet. They could always take you back. From Mike DuBose: If you win games, nobody cares what you do in your personal life (I also learned this from Peter Warrick, Bobby Cox, Charles Barkley and, heck, just about everybody). From Chris Weinke and Josh Booty: Life begins at 25. From Ricky Williams: Records that last only one year really aren't that cool. From Ron Dayne: Even Heisman Trophy winners have unfortunate facial hair. From Baylor coach Kevin Steele: When you have the chance to kneel on the ball to win, kneel, dagnabit! Steele's stupid decision to run a play with the Bears up 24-21 over UNLV with 20 seconds left and the Rebels having no timeouts ended up a disaster, as Baylor's Darrel Bush fumbled into the hands of UNLV's Kevin Thomas, who took it 99 yards for the winning touchdown as time expired. Think Greene would have appreciated the win? Baylor finished 1-10. From June Jones: It's amazing what one man can accomplish when he doesn't have to deal with Ryan Leaf anymore. From Plaxico Burress: Having a first name like an evil corporation in a Bond movie won't stop you from being one of the best receivers in college football. From J.R. Redmond: Well, don't trust women, of course. From Lou Holtz: Some jobs just suck. From Chris Simms: Signing with a team that has an excellent quarterback just one year above you will not do wonders for your playing time. From soccer fans with email: Don't make fun of soccer in your columns. From Bob Davie: Gerry Faust was, in fact, pretty smart. From Kansas State fans: It is not smart to insult Kansas State fans. From the BCS: Even a blind monkey can hit a home run every once in a while (wait. . . . is that how the phrase goes?). MY LOOK AT THE BOWLS I don't know if anyone else here at TSN is planning on doing a game-by-game prediction of each bowl game -- I know our buddies at MSNBC are planning some kind of computer simulation -- but if they are, well, I just usurped them, because I'm doing one. Sorry guys. Not all the bowl matchups are set, so I'm doing some educated (?) guessing here (including a projected win by Florida over Alabama tonight, which is just too late for my blood). If I have the wrong matchup, I'll just go back and change it. This is the Web, you know; you can do that. Las Vegas Bowl: Utah (8-3) vs. Fresno State (8-4). The Utes strung together season-ending wins over New Mexico and BYU to sneak in a bowl, but Fresno State has a powerful offense, led by super-accurate QB Billy Volek, a guy who thankfully helped Bulldogs fans forget Trent Dilfer. The bowl season's first game will likely be a blowout Fresno victory. Mobile Alabama Bowl: Texas Christian (7-4) vs. East Carolina (9-2). LaDainian Tomlinson, a guy who would be a Heisman contender next season if he didn't play for Texas Christian -- which lost to Northwestern this year, for cripes sake -- will find little room to run against the Pirates, a very underrated team that beat Miami (Fla.) earlier this year. By the way, I'm confused; who exactly is the sponsor of th"}, {"response": 287, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (21:26)", "body": ""}, {"response": 288, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec  4, 1999 (21:31)", "body": "Will Leitch of the Sporting News has been writing entertaining and relevant articles all year. Back articles are available at http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/college_football_blitz/archive.html His picks for awards this year: Offensive Player of the Year: Ron Dayne, Wisconsin Defensive Player of the Year: Corey Moore, Virginia Tech Coach of the Year: June Jones, Hawaii (who, for some reason, we don't have listed as an option; go ahead and write it on your monitor) Freshman of the Year: Michael Vick, Virginia Tech Surprise of the Year: Hawaii Disappointment of the Year: Arizona, followed closely by Ohio State, Penn State and Notre Dame"}, {"response": 289, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  5, 1999 (14:24)", "body": "Texas loss to Nebraska may cause some slippage. Interesting that both the basketball and football teams were (till now) right around the top ten in both polls."}, {"response": 290, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec  5, 1999 (17:24)", "body": "I know... *sigh*"}, {"response": 291, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec  5, 1999 (17:28)", "body": "Ladies' Volleyball and perhaps Ladies Basketball are the only teams Penn State can hope to see in the top 25 from now on. Oh yes, and Field Hockey! Big deal..."}, {"response": 292, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec  5, 1999 (17:35)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through December 4, 1999) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (64) (11-0) 1,744 1 2. Virginia Tech (6) (11-0) 1,685 2 3. Nebraska (11-1) 1,606 3 4. Wisconsin (9-2) 1,482 4 5. Alabama (10-2) 1,450 7 6. Tennessee (9-2) 1,412 6 7. Kansas St (10-1) 1,336 8 8. Michigan (9-2) 1,226 9 9. Michigan St (9-2) 1,193 10 10. Florida (9-3) 1,095 5 11. Marshall (12-0) 1,047 11 12. Minnesota (8-3) 935 13 13. Penn St (9-3) 772 14 14. Texas (9-4) 746 12 15. Mississippi St (9-2) 727 16 16. So Mississippi (8-3) 722 15 17. Georgia Tech (8-3) 672 17 18. Texas A&M (8-3) 632 18 19. Purdue (7-4) 504 19 20. East Carolina (9-2) 431 20 21. Georgia (7-4) 298 21 22. Stanford (8-3) 270 22 23. Miami Fla (8-4) 224 23 24. Arkansas (7-4) 121 24 25. Boston College (8-3) 112 25 Others Receiving Votes: Mississippi 88, Oregon 72, BYU 47, Illinois 39 , Colorado St 18, Utah 12, Oklahoma 10, Virginia 7, USC 5, Clemson 4, Colorado 3, Washington 3."}, {"response": 293, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  6, 1999 (08:51)", "body": "Wow, see our two teams are nestled up together in the standings! That's togetherness for ya!"}, {"response": 294, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Dec  6, 1999 (12:28)", "body": "Must be a 'sign' of some sort *smile* NCAA Bowl Schedule S A T U R D A Y , D E C E M B E R 1 8 Las Vegas Bowl ESPN2 --/36 Fresno St (8-4, WAC 1) vs 31/36 Utah (8-3, Mountain West 2) 6:00 pm Las Vegas, NV Sponsor: EA Sports Audio: Fresno St | Utah W E D N E S D A Y , D E C E M B E R 2 2 Mobile Alabama Bowl ESPN2 --/32 TCU (7-4, WAC 2) vs 20/19 East Carolina (9-2, Conference USA 2) 7:30 pm Mobile, AL Audio: TCU | East Carolina S A T U R D A Y , D E C E M B E R 2 5 Aloha Bowl ABC --/36 Wake Forest (6-5, ACC 5) vs --/-- Arizona St. (6-5, Pac-10 4) 3:30 pm Honolulu, HI Sponsor: Jeep Audio: Wake Forest | Arizona St. Oahu Bowl ESPN --/35 Hawaii (8-4, at large) vs --/-- Oregon St. (7-4, Pac-10 5) 8:30 pm Honolulu, HI Sponsor: Jeep Audio: Hawaii | Oregon St. M O N D A Y , D E C E M B E R 2 7 Motor City Bowl ESPN 28/25 BYU (8-3, at large) vs 11/11 Marshall (12-0, MAC 1) 1:30 pm Pontiac, MI Presented by The Big Three Audio: BYU | Marshall T U E S D A Y , D E C E M B E R 2 8 Alamo Bowl ESPN 13/17 Penn St. (9-3, Big Ten 5) vs 18/13 Texas A&M (8-3, Big 12 4) 7:30 pm San Antonio, TX Sponsor: Sylvania Audio: Penn St. | Texas A&M W E D N E S D A Y , D E C E M B E R 2 9 Music City Bowl ESPN --/-- Syracuse (6-5, Big East 4) vs --/-- Kentucky (6-5, SEC 7) 4:00 pm Nashville, TN Sponsor: HomePoint.com Audio: Syracuse | Kentucky Holiday Bowl ESPN 7/ 7 Kansas St. (10-1, Big 12 3) vs 36/-- Washington (7-4, Pac-10 2) 8:00 pm San Diego, CA Sponsor: Culligan Audio: Kansas St. | Washington T H U R S D A Y , D E C E M B E R 3 0 Huminatarian Bowl ESPN2 --/-- Louisville (7-4, USA 3) vs --/-- Boise St. (9-3, Big West 1) 3:00 pm Boise, ID Sponsor: Crucial.com Audio: Louisville | Boise St. Micron PC.com Bowl TBS 29/30 Illinois (7-4, Big Ten 7) vs 33/-- Virginia (7-4, ACC 4) 7:00 pm Miami, FL Audio: Illinois | Virginia Peach Bowl ESPN 15/16 Mississippi St. (9-2, SEC 6) vs 35/33 Clemson (6-5, ACC 3) 7:30 pm Atlanta, GA Sponsor: Chick-Fil-A Audio: Mississippi St. | Clemson F R I D A Y , D E C E M B E R 3 1 Insight.com Bowl ESPN 25/22 Boston College (8-3, Big East 3) vs 36/-- Colorado (6-5, Big 12 5) 1:30 pm Tucson, AZ Audio: Boston College | Colorado Sun Bowl CBS 12/12 Minnesota (8-3, Big Ten 6) vs 27/26 Oregon (7-4, Pac-10 3) 2:00 pm El Paso, TX Sponsor: Wells Fargo Audio: Oregon Liberty Bowl ESPN 30/27 Colorado St. (8-3, Mountain West 1) vs 16/14 Southern Miss (8-3, Conference USA 1) 5:00 pm Memphis, TN Sponsor: AXA/Equitable Audio: Colorado St. | Southern Miss Independence Bowl ESPN 26/29 Mississippi (7-4, SEC 8) vs 32/31 Oklahoma (7-4, Big 12 6) 8:30 pm Shreveport, LA Sponsor: Samford Audio: Oklahoma | Mississippi S A T U R D A Y , J A N U A R Y 1 Cotton Bowl FOX 24/28 Arkansas (7-4, SEC 4) vs 14/18 Texas (9-4, Big 12 2) 11:00 am Dallas, TX Sponsor: Southwestern Bell Audio: Arkansas | Texas Outback Bowl ESPN 19/21 Purdue (7-4, Big Ten 4) vs 20/24 Georgia (7-4, SEC 5) 11:00 am Tampa, FL Audio: Purdue | Georgia Gator Bowl NBC 23/23 Miami Fla (7-4, Big East 2) vs 17/15 Georgia Tech (8-3, ACC 2) 12:30 pm Jacksonville, FL Sponsor: Toyota Audio: Miami | Georgia Tech Citrus Bowl ABC 9/ 9 Michigan St. (9-2, Big 10 3) vs 10/10 Florida (9-3, SEC 3) 1:00 pm Orlando, FL Sponsor: Ourhouse.com Audio: Michigan St. | Florida Rose Bowl ABC 4/ 4 Wisconsin (9-2, BCS/Big 10 1) vs 22/21 Stanford (8-3, BCS/Pac-10 1) 5:00 pm Pasadena, CA Presented by AT&T Audio: Wisconsin | Stanford Orange Bowl ABC 8/ 8 Michigan (BCS/at large) vs 5/ 6 Alabama (BCS/SEC 1) 8:30 pm Miami, FL Sponsor: FedEx Audio: Alabama S U N D A Y , J A N U A R Y 2 Fiesta Bowl ABC 6/ 5 Tennessee (9-2, BCS/at large) vs 3/ 3 Nebraska (11-1, BCS/Big 12 1) 8:00 pm Tempe, AZ Sponsor: Tostitos Audio: Tennessee | Nebraska T U E S D A Y , J A N U A R Y 4 Sugar Bowl ABC 2/ 2 Virginia Tech (11-0, BCS/Big East 1) vs 1/ 1 Florida St. (11-0, BCS/ACC 1) 8:00 pm New Orleans, LA Sponsor: Nokia Audio: Virginia Tech | Florida St. all times eastern numbers at left are rankings: AP/Coaches updated at Mon Dec 6 05:26:19 1999 PT"}, {"response": 295, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec  8, 1999 (19:32)", "body": "Ron Dayne of Wisconsin was named the AP Offensive player of the Year and Florida State's Sebastian Janikowski defended his title as the Lou Groza Award winner, given to the top kicker in college football. SMU fired their coach and imposed their own sanctions More at http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/ The All-American teams were announced but was not pastable to here (is that a word?)Catch them at http://www.sportingnews.com/cfootball/allamerican/teams-p.html"}, {"response": 296, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (08:48)", "body": "Looks like either one or two teams will end up undefeated. We still need a playoff system."}, {"response": 297, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (14:44)", "body": "We need equity in scheduling as well as a good play-off system. There is much to be done before a real \"Championship\" team can be chosen. However, 'tis the season for finals and mid-season graduation and all that entails a college life. That is gonna come first no matter what else they think they need, unless we do end up paying the athletes to compete and they become semi-pro players rather than student athletes. That is a whole nuther can of worms. Any way, there is just not enough time to prepare for all of these playoff games and scholastic endeavors at the same time as the semester schedules now stand."}, {"response": 298, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (00:07)", "body": "Penn State's Arrington wins Butkus Award ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Penn State's LaVar Arrington won the Butkus Award on Friday night as college football's top linebacker. Arrington, a junior, beat out teammate Brandon Short, Kansas State's Mark Simoneau and Tennessee's Raynoch Thompson for the award presented by the Downtown Athletic Club of Orlando. \"I wish I could spilt the award with them,\" Arrington said. \"I don't think you could have a better list of finalists.\" The award was the second in as many days for Arrington. He won the Chuck Bednarik Award as the top defensive player Thursday. Arrington had 72 tackles, nine sacks and 20 tackles for a loss this season. He also blocked two kicks, including a field goal attempt with four seconds left in Penn State's 20-17 victory over Pittsburgh. Short topped the Nittany Lions with 103 tackles. The fifth-year senior also had four sacks and 12 tackles for a loss. Thompson anchored a Tennessee defense that allowed just three rushing touchdowns and limited opponents to 2.7 yards per rushing attempt. The senior had 85 tackles and three interceptions. Simoneau, also a senior, had a Kansas State-best 91 tackles. He had 17 tackles for a loss and 61/2 sacks. Bob Breunig, the former Arizona State and Dallas Cowboys linebacker, won the Butkus Silver Anniversary Award winner. The awards are named for Dick Butkus, the former Illinois and Chicago Bears star."}, {"response": 299, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (00:48)", "body": "I went to college with Butkus and Butz, Illinois and Mizzou players of days past. One of them lived in the dorm and yanked off the door of some poor kid who tried to pull one on him one time. The story has faded with the years. I have always confused these two players, I wasn't as big in to football then as I am now."}, {"response": 300, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (12:32)", "body": "Interesting! I stayed as far from the testosterone poisoned football players as a student as I could. I shared very little in common with them and I did not relish a wrestling match from one so endowed. However, football has been \"a good thing\" since I was in High School. Don't think I ever missed a home game either there or in College. Great stuff, football!"}, {"response": 301, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (13:50)", "body": "Ya know, speaking of testosterone, recent studies have shown that a guys testosterone level can go up as much as 30% right after his team wins a game, or correspondingly down if his team loses."}, {"response": 302, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (14:11)", "body": "I am not surprised. I thought guys would be too tired to rape and pillage after a battle, but that rise in levels of testosterone would make all that possible!"}, {"response": 303, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (14:14)", "body": "I wonder if that would spice up the half-time coach's talk. Tell the guys if they don't win they won't be as good at entertaining the ladies. That is scary stuff to ponder. Our basketball team should be impotent by now with all their loses and no wins...!"}, {"response": 304, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (09:04)", "body": "Well, it could get interesting at UT football. Coach Brown is going to start a quarterback competition and he's announced that both the Major and Chris Simms are going to get playing time in the Bowl game. I'd like to see them alternate plays. That would really mix up the opposition."}, {"response": 305, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (14:03)", "body": "I heard through my pillow speaker in the groggies of pre-dawn that Chris Sims was going to be the starting QB with MajorApp coming in later to see if he can manage ok. I think that would be a splendid idea, and several schools had great success early on using rotating QB's."}, {"response": 306, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (08:44)", "body": "I had heard that Major was going to start, but that report is over a week old. Maybe there's been a strategic change."}, {"response": 307, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (14:02)", "body": "I suspect that there is more conjecture out there without solid facts than there is factual reportage. I also think that wise coaches do not make up their minds until the final practice is in the books and accessments made. We will only really know at kickoff."}, {"response": 308, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (08:55)", "body": "The Horns are practicing indoors today."}, {"response": 309, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (13:10)", "body": "That cold, is it? Or to keep spies from watching?"}, {"response": 310, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (10:01)", "body": "Probably some of both. Mostly cold, I imagine."}, {"response": 311, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (21:02)", "body": "According to John's sources tomorrow's Oahu Bowl between the University of Hawaii and Oregon State University has the oddsmakers picking OSU by 9."}, {"response": 312, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (18:13)", "body": "Today all both of the Bowl Games are being played in Honolulu. In the Aloha Bowl: Wake Forest 23 Arizona State 3"}, {"response": 313, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (23:17)", "body": "Oahu Bowl Results Hawaii 23 Oregon State 17"}, {"response": 314, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (13:35)", "body": "Hawaii Holds on to Beat Oregon State in Oahu Bowl HONOLULU (Reuters) - In a mistake-filled game, Oregon State's 14th penalty proved most damaging. An illegal procedure penalty negated a successful onsides kickoff with just over a minute remaining as Hawaii held on for a 23-17 victory over the Beavers in the Oahu Bowl Saturday, completing the best one-year turnaround in NCAA history. Oregon State's offense came to life late in the fourth quarter as Ken Simonton scored on a 13-yard draw play with 1:27 to play, trimming the deficit to 23-17. Ryan Cesca, who missed two field goals and had a third blocked, executed a perfect onsides kick that was recovered by the Beavers at the Hawaii 48-yard line. But a controversial procedure penalty forced Oregon State to try again, and the Rainbow Warriors took possession after Cesca's next attempt bounced out of bounds. ``We missed a couple of field goals but I don't know how much of a difference that would have made,'' first-year Oregon State coach Dennis Erickson said. ``We're happy with the season. We went 7-5 and we're happy we ended the year in a bowl game. Obviously, we're not very happy with what happened in the bowl game, that's very disappointing to us.'' Dan Robinson threw a pair of touchdown passes to Channon Harris for Hawaii (9-4) and first-year coach June Jones, who took over a program that went 0-12 last season. ``It's been just an awesome year,'' Jones said. ``I'm happy for the fans and the players. It's just awesome.'' Robinson was 9-of-13 for 125 yards in the third quarter, hitting Harris for a 30-yard score with 6 1/2 minutes left to put the Rainbow Warriors ahead for good, 17-10. Eric Hannum kicked three short field goals to help Hawaii avenge Pineapple Bowl losses to Oregon State in 1940 and 1949. ``It's just amazing,'' said Hawaii running back Avion Weaver, a junior. ``After going 0-12, the coaching staff came in and gave us the schemes. And we just believed.'' Simonton had 157 yards on 18 carries against one of the nation's worst run defenses. A sophomore, he needs only 39 yards to become Oregon State's all-time leading rusher. Simonton went up the middle from one yard to give the Beavers a 7-0 lead midway through the first quarter. But Oregon State failed to convert several chances to extend the lead as Cesca missed field goal attempts of 42 and 31 yards. In between, Hannum kicked a 26-yarder to put the Hawaii on the board. The Rainbows grabbed their first lead on Robinson's nine-yard TD toss to Harris with just over six minutes left before halftime. Cesca kicked a 37-yarder on the final play of the second quarter for a 10-10 tie. Jonathan Smith completed 19-of-40 passes for 269 yards but was sacked six times for Oregon State. He was only 8-of-24 for 132 yards in the second half. ``They got us with a four-man rush and blitzing but sometimes they got us even with a three-man rush,'' Erickson noted. ``I don't know if it was our assignment or what it was, but they mixed up their schemes well.'' ``We did a great job with our zone blitz,'' Jones said. ''(Defensive coordinator) Greg McMackin did a great job. We said we were going to go after them and we did. We probably should have gone after (Smith) even more.'' Hawaii receiver Attrice Brooks was ejected in the final minute of the first quarter after drawing a personal foul for kicking defensive end DeLawrence Grant."}, {"response": 315, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (13:48)", "body": "All of our teams we were following this year made bowls. That is pretty remarkable. Hawaii won theirs and the payout was $800,000. Illinois is in the Micronpc.com bowl vs Virginia on Thursday the 30th of December($750,000.) Alamo Bowl has Penn State vs Texas A&M on December 28th ($1.2 million) and the Cotton Bowl on January 1st (if our tv's still work) has Texas vs Arkansas($2.5 million) Guess we call can't win. Too bad. One of the teams I rooted for all season has to lose."}, {"response": 316, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (13:48)", "body": "Congratulations, Marcia, I have been reading about the game in eht Ledger"}, {"response": 317, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (13:50)", "body": "I learned something very interesting in church this morning. Paul Gruber's great, great, great, great grandfather wrothe the music for Silent Night. Gruber plays for the Tampa Bay Bucs"}, {"response": 318, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (14:07)", "body": "Franz Gr\ufffdber wrote Silent Night. I had no idea his descendant would be playing in the NFL. Wow! Tampa Bay, no less. Your team! Thanks, Lucie!"}, {"response": 319, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Dec 28, 1999 (21:38)", "body": "Alamo Bowl Result: Penn State 24 Texas A&M 0"}, {"response": 320, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (09:30)", "body": "Folks here aren't yet too excited about the Cotton Bowl, maybe Friday folks will start to get in to it. What bowl games most interest folks?"}, {"response": 321, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (20:00)", "body": "For me, after the Alamo Bowl and Cotton Bowl, I guess the Sugar Bowl and the Rose Bowl plus the other two BCS bowls to determine the best of the best (as they see it) I really want Texas to win their game. ******** From John Burnett LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) - A 270-pound University of Kansas football player got stuck in the drive-thru window of a Taco Bell when he tried to charge employees who left the chalupa out of his order, authorities said. Dion Rayford*, a 6-foot-3 senior defensive end, was suspended for the game against Iowa State, the last game of his college career. He was released on his own recognizance after appearing in court on charges of disorderly conduct, having an open container of alcohol and misdemeanor damage to property."}, {"response": 322, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (20:17)", "body": "John Burnett's note: you'll see this drunken, chalupa dropping moron in the NFL next year...imagine him on steroids...at ONLY 270 pounds it's unlikely he's on them already."}, {"response": 323, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (20:33)", "body": "Re the question of Terry's about favorite bowls, John Responded: Outside of the Oahu Bowl here in Hawaii (won by Hawaii 23-17 over Oregon St.,) the Sugar Bowl is the PRIMO matchup in the nation: #1 Florida St. vs. #2 Virginia Tech for the national championship. All other bowls (Oahu Bowl included outside of the 50th state) pale in comparison. BTW, Hawaii opens its season at home next year by hosting none other than the Texas Longhorns. We here in Hawaii are hoping the only hooking the Horns will be doing during their stay here will be soliciting the \"ladies\" in Waikiki at 2 a.m."}, {"response": 324, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (20:34)", "body": "Those aren't Ladies, John!"}, {"response": 325, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (10:15)", "body": "Wow! Maybe I'll book a flight to Hawaii then if the rates are ok!"}, {"response": 326, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (20:12)", "body": "That would be fantastic!"}, {"response": 327, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (14:47)", "body": "Texas Suspends Four for Saturday's Cotton Bowl DALLAS (Reuters) - Following a team meeting Thursday night, 18th-ranked Texas has suspended four players for the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas on Saturday for violating team rules. Receiver Kwame Cavil, linebacker Jamal Joyner and defensive ends Aaron Humphrey and J.J. Kelly learned their fates tonight from coach Mack Brown. ``We have just held a team meeting, which was one of the most emotional that I have experienced,'' Brown said. ``The four young men involved in violating team rules are great young men and have done a tremendous job for our football team and the University of Texas.'' Cavil's loss figures to be the biggest for the Longhorns. The junior led the team with 100 receptions for 1,188 yards and six touchdowns. He had 74 catches for 1,091 yards and four scores in 19 games before this season. Ryan Nunez, who caught 56 passes for 600 yards, will be Texas' most prolific receiver available for Saturday's game."}, {"response": 328, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (19:48)", "body": "Ok, has anybody gotten excited about the game yet? Of course no one is gonna read this until next century sometime or next year, anyway. *sigh* It is a lonely vigil waiting to see if my computer still works at midnight and Ihave been talking to myself for hours already and it is only 3:45 pm in 1999!"}, {"response": 329, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jan  1, 2000 (15:43)", "body": "A few scores of interest: PEACH BOWL Results: ILLINOIS 63 VIRGINIA 21 COTTON BOWL Results: TEXAS 6 ARKANSAS 27"}, {"response": 330, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (07:07)", "body": "Congratulations to the Rainbow Warriors. It's been fun following their surprise progress here this season."}, {"response": 331, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (11:40)", "body": "The National Championship was a hell of a game between Florida State Seminoles or 'noles and the VA Tech team. Peter Warrick can catch just about anything, return punts and carry the team. And Michael Vick rolled himself out as the next Heisman trophy winner, they might as well start engraving his name on it. That guy danced, ran, passed, and magiced his way play after play. He did unbelievable stuff that you're not used to seeing. He's a human highlight reel on almost every play. And this is against Florida, not Little Sisters of the Poor."}, {"response": 332, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (14:12)", "body": "Thanks, Mark! That was a knuckle biter yesterday and kept us in our seats snacking impulsively as the score went back and forth. Michael Vick was awesome! | agree about engraving his name on that trophy! Keep him healthy!!! Final AP poll standings of college football teams Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll The Associated Press Top 25 college football poll, with number of first-place votes and record in parentheses, total points and previous ranking: (Records through January 4, 2000) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (70) (12-0) 1,750 1 2. Virginia Tech (11-1) 1,647 2 3. Nebraska (12-1) 1,634 3 4. Wisconsin (10-2) 1,519 4 5. Michigan (10-2) 1,406 8 6. Kansas St (11-1) 1,402 7 7. Michigan St (10-2) 1,357 9 8. Alabama (10-3) 1,236 5 9. Tennessee (9-3) 1,168 6 10. Marshall (13-0) 1,136 11 11. Penn St (10-3) 1,038 13 12. Florida (9-4) 941 10 13. Mississippi St (10-2) 923 15 14. So Mississippi (9-3) 788 16 15. Miami Fla (9-4) 678 23 16. Georgia (8-4) 640 21 17. Arkansas (8-4) 575 24 18. Minnesota (8-4) 452 12 19. Oregon (9-3) 358 NR 20. Georgia Tech (8-4) 345 17 21. Texas (9-5) 340 14 22. Mississippi (8-4) 281 NR 23. Texas A&M (8-4) 272 18 24. Illinois (8-4) 201 NR 25. Purdue (7-5) 198 19 Dropped Out: No. 20 East Carolina, No. 22 Stanford, No. 25 Boston College Others Receiving Votes: Stanford 168, East Carolina 97, Colorado 75, TCU 45, Syracuse 21, Utah 20, Hawaii 19 , Washington 7, Wake Forest 5, Boise St 3, Oklahoma 3, Colorado St 2. updated at Wed Jan 5 09:54:17 2000 PT"}, {"response": 333, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (19:37)", "body": "From a 'Noles grad in Drool: A 'Noles fan in a bar leans over to the guy next to him and says, \"Wanna hear a joke about Gator fans?\" The guy next to him replies, \"Well before you tell that joke you should know something. I'm 6' tall and 220 pounds and I'm a Gator fan. The guy sitting next to me is 6'2\" tall, 240 pounds and he's a Gator fan, and the guy sitting next to him is 6'5\", 280 pounds and he's a Gator fan too. Now, do you still wanna tell that joke?\" The 'Noles fan says, \"Nah, not if I'm gonna have to explain it three times.\""}, {"response": 334, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (20:12)", "body": "Bobby Bowden, Steve Spurrier and a Cub Scout were on a plane that ran into serious trouble over the Florida Georgia border. The pilot rushed from the cockpit and announced the bad news. The plane was going down. The pilot went on to explain that the plane was equipped with only three parachutes, not enough for the four people. But, the pilot said he deserved one, and out the door he went. Spurrier immediately stood up and said he deserved one of the remaining two parachutes for a number of reasons. He was a Heisman Trophy winner who went on to play professional football. He also returned to his alma mater, leading the program to three SEC titles and one National championship. Spurrier went on to say that some people call him the smartest coach in America. Out Spurrier went. Bowden looked over to the boy and told him to take the last parachute. Bowden explained that he had lived a good life, had a large family, won a national championship, even played University of Miami. Bowden said he was at peace. The Cub Scout, with a wide smile, said he already had a parachute. Stunned, Bowden asked how that could be. The Cub Scout answered: \"The smartest coach in America just jumped out with my knapsack.\""}, {"response": 335, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jan  5, 2000 (20:28)", "body": "Barbara, when you come out of lurkdom you really did it in style...and without your feet touching the ground yet, I'll bet! Congratulations! I remember how it feels when the old Alma Mater is Number One..."}, {"response": 336, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan  9, 2000 (09:19)", "body": "Good one Barbara, what are your personal feelings about the Gators and the 'Noles?"}, {"response": 337, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Sun, Jan  9, 2000 (14:40)", "body": "That's a good one, Terry!!! Actually, I am still at the point of being so happy that we won the big one, the undisputed big one, that I have no personal feelings about the Gators! I am glad that their coach has decided to stay in Gainesville. I used to have a lot of respect for Coach Spurrier (sp.) when he coached the Tampa Bay Bandits of the U.S.F.L. but I really don't think a whole lot of him at this point in time. All kidding aside, there are many wonderful Gators in the state of Florida and there's a great one in Johnstown, PA, who just coincidentally happened to live across the street from us when we lived there!"}, {"response": 338, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Jan  9, 2000 (14:47)", "body": "When I sent that story above to John he responded that the best part was Spurrier saying he was the greatest coach in the world and jumping out with the kid's backpack...*grin*"}, {"response": 339, "author": "Barbara1330", "date": "Sun, Jan  9, 2000 (15:18)", "body": "I think in sports, it pays to have a high opinion of your abilities!!! That's probably true out of sports, also. (back to the Dolphin game...)"}, {"response": 340, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Jan  9, 2000 (15:28)", "body": "...but they should be realistic, don't you think?! Do the Dolphins stand a chance???"}, {"response": 341, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (18:33)", "body": "Paterno signs 5-year extension and plans to fulfill it Posted: Monday January 24, 2000 04:33 PM STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- Joe Paterno signed a five-year contract extension Monday, and the 73-year-old Penn State coach said he has every intention of staying through 2004. \"I enjoy coaching and would like to continue as long as my health will permit,\" Paterno said in a statement. \"I look forward to fulfilling this contract and, deep down, to going even longer because I'm excited by all of the positive things that are happening at Penn State.\" The university would not release the terms of the contract. The extension should quiet ongoing speculation about his retirement. Many considered his 1999 team a last, best shot at a third national title. But he said after Penn State's appearance n the Alamo Bowl that he is staying. \"I have absolutely no plans to retire,\" he said. \"I am going to coach until I feel I can't do a good job.\" As recently as 1998, he had said he would coach \"at least four more years.\" Penn State's 24-0 victory over Texas A&M in the Alamo Bowl was his 20th in the postseason -- the Division I record. He has 317 victories at Penn State, six short of the Division I record set by Bear Bryant. He could break the record as early as Oct. 21 against Illinois. Paterno is entering his 51st year on Penn State's staff, his 35th as head coach."}, {"response": 342, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Feb  9, 2000 (14:42)", "body": "From THE SPORTING NEWS How is it that everyone has forgotten about Penn State? Do you think that because Lavar Arrington, Courtney Brown, Brandon Short, David Macklin and Co. are gone PSU will be a non-contender? Consider the fact that Rashard Casey is as close to Michael Vick as anybody in terms of arm strength, agility and speed. The backfield is intact, and 29 incoming freshman will fill the voids. What you get is a contender. No. 1? Maybe not, but with a rather easy non-conference schedule this year, the Nittany Lions should be in prime shape for the Big Ten conference battles. Give me Casey, Eric McCoo, Eddie Drummond, Bryant Johnson and a top five recruiting class, and I\ufffdll show you what college football is all about."}, {"response": 343, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (13:19)", "body": "From THE SPORTING NEWS : Forced to rebuild, Buckeyes try to bounce back by Mark Blaudschun You could hear the sighs and the whispers and the grumbling from Columbus to Cleveland. Ohio State, 6-6. The only bowling the Buckeyes were going to be doing over the holiday season was at the local lanes. Blasphemy. Yes, it was. Under the tenure of John Cooper, Buckeye fans had expected more than that. Some of the cynics will tell you they expect less from Cooper-coached teams, but that is an argument for another arena. The bottom line is that the Buckeyes had an off-year. Hey, it happens. Not too often at Ohio State, which is why this season's recruiting campaign was looked at with concern as well as interest. It was vital for Ohio State to climb back into the top 10. Consider the first goal accomplished. With the recruiting season just concluded, the consensus opinion among the experts is that Ohio State had a top 10 season. Can the top 10 in the polls be far behind? Maybe yes, and maybe no. Ohio State has been a prime provider of National Football League talent for years. Last season, 31 former Buckeyes were on NFL rosters. Cooper uses that as a recruiting tool. He also knows that whatever talent he does get probably won't stick around for the full four-year term. The joke was that Ohio State never really rebuilt, it simply restocked and kept on trucking. But after last season, Cooper has been forced to rebuild. The Buckeyes signed 24 players. Half were from out of state, which is a concern to some people, although Cooper downplays that. \"We were able to not only get most of the top football players from Ohio, but go outside the state and secure some very good football players,\" Cooper said. \"The best thing about this class is we were able to get the numbers we needed at different positions.\" Cooper also felt he got the kind of football players he wanted. \"There are certain kids out there that looked at the depth chart and wanted to play and there are kids out there who want to play for the national championship next year,\" he said. Consider running back Sam Maldonado, whom Cooper got out of New York, and linebacker Marco Cooper, whom he plucked out of Detroit, as two of those type of players. Cooper would have liked to have grabbed offensive lineman Michael Munoz, the son of former Cincinnati Bengal All Pro tackle Anthony Munoz, from Cincinnati's Moeller High School, but Munoz chose to go to Tennessee. A loss to be sure, but Cooper feels he has enough talent to get the Buckeyes back in the fast lane of the Big Ten quickly. Most people thought only Penn State really beat the Buckeyes in the recruiting wars this winter, and if that's the case, OSU should be just fine. Enough talent is back from last season. Enough talent is coming in, and Cooper knows how to mesh the two. And while winning the national championship is still a stretch, competing for the Big Ten title sounds reasonable. And if you can do that, you have a chance to do more. Maybe much more. INSIDE DISH Changes could be brewing in the SEC next season in terms of scheduling. The athletic directors are considering tinkering with the schedule of SEC opponents. Right now, each conference team plays five games against teams in its own division and three from the other division. Two from the other division are designated as \"permanent\" opponents, who are on the schedule each year, while one is a floating opponent. The athletic directors want to make only one team from the other division a \"permanent\" fixture, and make two floating, which they feel would increase exposure for all schools in the league against other conference opponents. Florida, for example, which is in the SEC East, has Auburn and LSU as its \"permanent\" opponents from the SEC West. Under the new structure, only LSU would be a \"permanent\" opponent. The idea makes sense because it freshens the rivalries of conference schools. . . . Long-time fans of Pittsburgh football, who had hoped against hope that somehow a way would be found to preserve Pitt Stadium, can now give up the hope. Demolition of the stadium is well under way. The Panthers will play next season at Three Rivers Stadium before moving into a new stadium that will be their permanent home as well as that of the Steelers. . . . Stanford is having quite a year. Not only is the Cardinal the current No. 1 team in basketball, but the football team made its first Rose Bowl appearance since 1971 last season, and recruiting has gone well, with Stanford signing 14 players who are listed in the Top 100 of high school recruits."}, {"response": 344, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (09:55)", "body": "Texas is continuing to get some great recruits. They should be awesome next year with this years recruiting class."}, {"response": 345, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (11:17)", "body": "According to reports I have seen, Texas has the best recruiting class of the 2000-2001 college football season. Penn State is gonna lose some really good seniors and would-be seniors to the NFL draft...sigh..."}, {"response": 346, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Feb 27, 2000 (23:38)", "body": "Can you provide more details, specifics? Please."}, {"response": 347, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Feb 27, 2000 (23:45)", "body": "Havta dig it out of my email stuff or wherever I stashed it. Will post tomorrow ASAP... You are keeping most of your starters who arw pivotal anyway - Texas should RULE the Big 12 this year!!!"}, {"response": 348, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sun, Feb 27, 2000 (23:56)", "body": "Cool. I'll look forward to reading that tomorrow."}, {"response": 349, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (15:29)", "body": "Spring Practice begins Monday. Chris Simms will be starting at QB. It is his job to lose, according to 'Horns head coach Mack Brown. Hook'em In for the long haul By Suzanne Halliburton American-Statesman Staff Posted: Feb. 2, 2000 The first sign that Texas football coach Mack Brown would put together another star-studded recruiting class came on a balmy June afternoon last summer. That's when a high school quarterback, who was such a die-hard fan of Texas A&M that he kept an Aggies screensaver on his computer, made a fact-finding trip to Austin to check out the Longhorns football camp. Chance Mock, the top-rated quarterback in the state and one of the best in the country, told friends before he drove to Austin that Texas would have to ''wow'' him to change his mind about the Aggies, his lifelong favorite college football team. After he returned to his home in The Woodlands, Mock's family sent out a brief press release saying that the quarterback would sign with the Longhorns. Mock was so wowed by Brown and his staff that he took two trips to Austin during the official recruiting process in December and January. One was an official trip, paid for by the UT athletic department. He paid for the other, which he took two weeks ago, so he could mix with the prospects and entice any of the undecided the Longhorns' way. On Wednesday, Mock was one of 23 high school seniors who signed binding national letters of intent with the Longhorns. UT coaches were holding a scholarship open for Las Vegas defensive lineman Lynn McGruder, who initially had committed to Tennessee but changed his mind at the last minute. McGruder, formerly of Palestine, could not be reached for comment late Wednesday. Experts rated UT's class as tops in the Big 12 Conference and among the elite in the country. Even Aggies Coach R.C. Slocum, who lost several top-name recruits, including Mock, to Texas, was complimentary of the Longhorns. ``I can't believe how well (Texas) has done,'' Slocum said. ``It looks to me like they just had a tremendous year. Last year they supposedly had the top recruiting class in the nation, and this is supposed to be a top-five class. Anytime a Texas team has that kind of talent, it presents you with a problem.\" He wasn't the only one praising Brown's class which, star-wise, falls just short of last year's group, which was the consensus choice as tops in the country. Anthony Gimino, college football editor of CBS sportsline.com, said: ``This we do know: Texas indisputably had the No. 1 class in the nation last year, and there's everything to like about the 2000 Longhorns freshmen, whether the group finishes first or second . . . or anywhere else.'' Brown said, ``As we look at this class, we feel like this class has the makings of being as good as last year's class but it will take us a year or so to really determine. We feel like even though we will have to wait and see on this class, everything that we were looking for coming into this recruiting class, to some extent we were able to bring home today.'' Brown said Texas brought in 30 recruits on official visits. It offered 27 of them scholarships, and 23 accepted. McGruder would be the 24th. What about this class looks so good, at least on paper? \ufffd It includes 13 members of the Austin American-Statesman's Fabulous 55. Of the 13, six were members of the top 10, including three of the top four in wide receivers B.J. Johnson (No. 1); Roy Williams (No. 2) and Sloan Thomas (No. 4). The other top 10 members were Lanier defensive lineman Sonny Davis (No. 7) tight end Brock Edwards (No. 8) and Mock (No. 9). \ufffd Four of the signees -- Johnson, Mock, Davis and running back Sneezy Beltran -- made the prestigious Parade magazine All-America team. \ufffd Six of the prospects were included in SuperPrep's list of the top 50 prospects in the country, while seven earned spots on Rivals100 national 100 rankings. Nine of the prospects were included in some publication's national 100 list. \ufffd Six of the group earned All-America honors from USA Today. Last year's group had four Parade and 10 USA Today All-Americans and 16 members of the Fab 55, including 10 members of the top 20. ``It won't be the top class in the country, but it's definitely comparable to last year's,'' said Bobby Burton, editor of Rivals100.com. Burton ranked Texas fifth nationally. His top 10, subject to change pending late signees, was Florida, Tennessee, Penn State, Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, Florida State, Michigan State, Nebraska and Arizona State. Allen Wallace, editor of SuperPrep, ranked the Longhorns second to Florida. Rounding out spots three through 10th were Florida State, Penn State, Tennessee, Alabama, Ohio State, Southern California, Miami and Michigan State. Brown's third group of signees is heavy on receiving talent with Johnson, Williams and Thomas. In addition, Texarkana's Nathan Vasher and Tony Jeffery of Klein Forest likely will be tried at receiver and defensive back. The class also is loaded with defensiv"}, {"response": 350, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (15:35)", "body": "Look at your schedule for this year. Note your first game. We're gonna get killed! You can bet John and I will be watching! 09/02 at Hawaii 09/09 La.-Lafayette 09/16 at Stanford 09/23 Houston 09/30 OSU 10/07 vs. OU 10/14 at Colorado 10/21 Missouri 10/28 Baylor 11/04 at Texas Tech 11/11 at Kansas 11/24 Texas A&M"}, {"response": 351, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Mar  4, 2000 (14:12)", "body": "That top game on your 'Horns schedule might be a no-show: From The Sporting News UTex keepin' one eye on the Benjamins by Caught on the Fly Aloha means adios: UTex wants no part o' paradise and will chuck its game next season vs. Hawaii. Why? Fly's spies say Big 'Horns've decided there's no pot-o-gold at Rainbows' end. Savin' coin rather than makin' chump change is plenty o' motivation for stayin' home. Why pay 350 G's to make this date and get half that from the gate? ."}, {"response": 352, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (20:16)", "body": "Texas makes it official Its decision not to play continues a troubling trend for UH football By Paul Arnett Star-Bulletin During the past year, Notre Dame and Texas have decided not to play scheduled nonconference football games with the University of Hawaii. It's a troubling trend that may hamper the UH athletic department in its attempts to attract marquee opponents at the beginning and end of the football season. The University of Texas confirmed yesterday that it had opted not to make the Sept. 2 trip, citing several factors, including financial. UH head coach June Jones questioned the Longhorns' manhood, the Western Athletic Conference was upset because of the potential loss of national exposure and UH athletic director Hugh Yoshida expressed disappointment for the cancellation of the season opener. \"I'm terribly disappointed that Texas would walk away at this point,'' said WAC Commissioner Karl Benson. \"The timing is the worst for Hawaii. At the right time, we need to go on record indicating our disappointment to the Big 12.'' Yoshida is also well aware that there are developments on the national scene that could hurt the Rainbows in scheduling top-caliber opponents that he needs to justify the recent season-ticket increases. For one, during certain calendar years, teams will be able to play 12 regular-season games without having to consider the Hawaii exemption. For another, teams in leagues such as the Big 12 and the Southeastern conferences have title games that could mean 13- and 14-game campaigns. Texas is in the Big 12. The Longhorns are likely to be among the top five teams in this year's preseason polls. Had they played the Rainbows, the Longhorns could have been staring down the barrel of a 14-game season. That's a difficult course for teams contending for a national championship. \"They had nothing to gain by playing us,'' Jones said. \"Especially when they realized we had a good shot at beating them.'' Notre Dame's reason for not playing Hawaii late in the year was because of UH's poor Bowl Championship Series rating. Had the Fighting Irish come over here and struggled - as they did in 1992 and 1997 - it could have hurt them for a possible national title run. Ironically, Hawaii's rapid turnaround probably figured in Texas head coach Mack Brown's decision to cancel this year's meeting. Brown would rather have an extra week of practice to prepare for a home opener with Louisiana-Lafayette before traveling to Stanford to play the Cardinal. \"We have looked at this from every angle,\" said Texas athletic direct> There are a lot of different issues, and we have had serious conversations about all of them. The bottom line is, we have to do what is in the best interest of our football program.\" Under the terms of the contract, if Hawaii does not find \"an opponent of similar stature\" to replace the game, Texas will pay UH $100,000 for opting out. \"I'm sorry this didn't work out, and for any inconvenience it causes Hawaii and our fans who had looked forward to the trip,\" said Dodds. \"We enjoyed playing in Hawaii in 1995. \"There were just too many factors working against this trip for it to happen.\" \"The game was on the schedule when I came here, and we had looked forward to the trip and competing against Hawaii,'' Brown said. \"This isn't a personal issue between coaches, or an issue between two teams. It is simply a matter of what's best in the long term for our athletics department and our football program.'' What's best for Hawaii is to find a replacement and fast. Alabama-Birmingham is a possibility. UH has open dates on Sept. 2, Sept. 16 and Dec. 2. WAC associate commissioner Jeff Hurd said Yoshida had the backing of the league's athletic directors, who discussed the situation at yesterday's meetings. Brown is scheduled to coach in the 2001 Hula Bowl in Maui. Bowl Games Hawaii officials said last night the decision will be left up to the American Football Coaches Association - which selects the players and the coaches - as to whether it is appropriate for Brown to take part in next January's game."}, {"response": 353, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar  8, 2000 (20:17)", "body": "oops !"}, {"response": 354, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (10:22)", "body": "Longhorns dreaming of national titles again by Mark Blaudschun Texas football. Remember when that used to mean something? When the Longhorns were a fixture in the Top 10, or, at the very worst, Top 20? Remember when Texas-Oklahoma had as much pop as Florida State-Florida, Auburn-Alabama, Michigan-Ohio State or any other rivalry you could name? Folks, those times are coming back, sooner rather than later. All you have to do is walk around Austin, Texas these days and you can feel it. People can't wait for the fall. Spring football is once again a coming out party for the Longhorns, who expect, dare we say it, to contend for the . . . national championship. Talk to coach Mack Brown, who has put together two teaser seasons of nine wins. Check out the spring drills where Chris Simms, still in only the spring of his freshman year, is dazzling people through the early drills. Why, the lefthander from Jersey completed 16 straight passes the other day in a controlled scrimmage. Check out a lineup, which returns nine offensive starters and eight defensive starters. Look at that schedule, even without Hawaii, and other teams you don't see on it -- Nebraska and Kansas State, strike you. You see a home game against Texas A&M. Look at the recruiting grades of the past two seasons. No. 1 a year ago with a class that produced four Parade and 10 USA Today All Americans. And a class this year that is ranked in the top five. Listen to A&M coach R.C. Slocum, who sort of had things his own way for almost a decade as Texas searched for its past glory. \"I can't believe how well Texas has done,\" said Slocum, looking at the latest recruiting class which includes such potential future stars as wide receivers B.J. Johnson and Roy Williams, quarterback Chance Monk and defensive end Marcel Moses. It all seems to fit. Oh, there is still some potential season-ruining pot holes out there. Nebraska, which has designs on winning a national championship, will probably be around when the Big 12 title game arrives next December. And if not the Huskers, then Kansas State shows no signs of losing much of its luster of the past few years. And Brown could have a potential quarterback controversy if and when Major Applewhite fully recovers from the knee injury he suffered in the Cotton Bowl which has sidelined him through the spring drills. But look at Mack Brown's track record. In 10 years at North Carolina, he upgraded facilities and really upgraded the football program to Top 20 status. But Brown was harnessed at North Carolina. Say what you want, but no matter what Brown did, Carolina was still a basketball school. Say what you will about the recent success of the Texas basketball program under Rick Barnes, but Texas is, after all is said and done, a football school. Always was, always will be. Sure, the slump is now close to two decades and Texas has gone through coaches like David McWilliams and John Mackovic trying to find a formula that brought out the \"Hook 'Em Horns\" pride, Texas had under Darrell Royal and for awhile, Fred Akers. But Brown seems to be the right fit. He knows how to talk corporate for the high rollers in Dallas and Houston. He knows how to talk Texan for the good old boys out in places like Odessa and Victoria. It's still early. So much can happen. And you have to be lucky as well as good to go through even an easy schedule unbeaten. But if you walk around Austin these days, you get the feeling that it is not only possible, but probable. INSIDE DISH People at Tennessee are breathing easier since an NCAA inquiry into possible academic fraud in the football program has been ended without any significant findings. The report which surfaced last fall was just one of the distractions which seem to be par for the course for a team which has won the national championship the year before. . . . Give credit to South Carolina coach Lou Holtz. His team is in the middle of a record 21-game losing streak, but the former Notre Dame coach is still working on new schemes and still has maintained his sense of humor. Holtz's latest scheme is a spread offense, which would disguise some of the weaknesses in his offensive line. After going 0-11 last season, Holtz is willing to try anything as long as it works. \"I'll be honest,\" said Holtz. \"We should have forfeited some gems. But we wouldn't have got the gate receipts.\" As to the spread offense, Holtz again has maintained his sense of humor. \"We're committed to this at least until the second game,\" he said. . . . The operative word at Nebraska is defense. The Huskers have only five defensive starters returning from last season's 12-1 club, which crushed Tennessee in the Fiesta Bowl. That unit held opponents to 252 yards and 12.5 points per game. Said Huskers coach Frank Solich when asked about his plans for the spring, \"I don't want to look too far down the road. We'll have time as we get into summer and the early part of next fall when we're setting our goals to determine exactly what all w"}, {"response": 355, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr  3, 2000 (19:35)", "body": "http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/mark_blaudschun/20000402.html Big East football beginning to thrive by Mark Blaudschun A year ago it was all gloom and doom talk. Miami was being courted by the Atlantic Coast Conference. A television contract was in limbo. Ratings were down. People, even within the confines of the league offices in Providence, Rhode Island, wondered about the future of Big East football. Fast forward the time line to this spring. Look at what the landscape reveals. Virginia Tech came within a quarter of going unbeaten and winning the national championship. Quarterback Michael Vick should be the front runner to win the Heisman Trophy next season. Miami, after rejecting any overtures from the ACC, reaffirmed its desire to stay within the confines of the Big East, which, it should be pointed out, was the league that gave Miami a home in the first place when the Hurricanes were looking to end their status as an independent. The 'Canes, thanks to steady recruiting efforts have climbed back into the national picture as a top-20, maybe even top-10 team. Television? Consider some of these numbers. The conference announced a new contract with ABC and ESPN that will pay the conference and its members $105 million during the next seven years. Folks, the Big East is alive and very much healthy. No, we're not talking about the SEC, where having a top-5 team is taken for granted, or the Big Ten, where the overall quality of the competition during the season produces five, six or sometimes even seven high quality post season teams. Nor are we talking about the Big 12, where a team like Nebraska, and lately Kansas State, can flex its muscles and be a player in the national championship race. Big East football is what it is. The top half of the league -- Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse and lately, Boston College -- plays some pretty competitive, quality football. Virginia Tech has moved into a new role as Beast of the East, but Miami is definitely showing signs of life and who knows which Syracuse team will show up on any given Saturday. But remember this. The Big East has eight teams. It has four bowl commitments and is looking for a fifth spot, maybe in Hawaii. That's a pretty good ratio, generally meaning that if you qualify with six wins, you go to a bowl game. Much was written about the BCS putting in a \"Big East\" rule which stated that the conference champion would have to maintain a certain poll ranking each year for four consecutive years or it could lose its automatic berth. Those days appear to be over. The Big East has spots in the BCS, in the Gator Bowl, in the Insight.Com Bowl and in the Music Bowl and just signed a deal for a fifth team at one of the bowls in Hawaii against a Pac-10 team. The television deal makes sense because it puts the best of the Big East under one umbrella. \"I think it's good for all of us,\" said Boston College athletic director Gene DeFilippo. \"It give ESPN and ABC the best games and it brings a steady stream of income into our schools.\" Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese says he thinks the crisis has passed. \"I think Big East football is in the best shape its ever been,\" said Tranghese, who has had to guide the league through the growing pains of its first few years and the crisis involving Miami. \"The gloom days of the past three years are over and I think the perception nationally of us has changed for the better.\" Miami, of course, is one of the keys. The Hurricanes are still the main marquee team in the conference, although Virginia Tech has made tremendous strides. \"Every league needs at one and probably two teams that are very good every year,\" said Tranghese. \"For us, Miami is vital and Virginia Tech's success in the past couple of years gives us two strong anchors.\" We're not suggesting that the Big East is going to rule college football. But it's also a year removed from when obituaries were being prepared. Big East football is doing just fine, thank you."}, {"response": 356, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr  3, 2000 (19:48)", "body": "http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/mark_blaudschun/20000330.html No end in sight for Bowden, Paterno by Mark Blaudschun They are dinosaurs, of course. Their time has passed and we will not see their likes again. And that is a shame, because it is a show that is worth watching and watching and watching. We're talking about Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden, the Lion in Winter and the Good Ole Boy in Tallahassee, Fla. who are still working with the same enthusiasm they did 30 years ago. Both are septuagenarians now. Bowden is 70, Paterno will be 74 at the end of the next college football season. Yet both show no signs of slowing down. Bowden just celebrated his first unbeaten season and his second national championship in January with a Sugar Bowl victory over Virginia Tech. And here's the fun part. Both are in a race to see how many games they can win before it is finally time to retire. Right now, Paterno leads with 307 victories. He also has a pair of national championships. Bowden is right behind at 304. Both men say they will coach until . . . who knows. Bowden just signed a contract extension that caries through 2003, but that is only a number. As long as Bobby is feeling fine, he's going to keep coaching. \"After you retire, there's only really big event left and I'm not quite ready for that,\" said Bowden. Paterno has a similar long term pact that will take him through the next six years, which means that he will be coaching when he's 80 when its up. Don't bet against it. Take a look at Joe and the black hair, which shows only the slightest hint of aging. Listen to the words. He likes what he does. And he does it well. That is not to say they don't need new challenges. When you reach the status of Paterno and Bowden, success is measured in degrees. Paterno's latest challenge is in rebuilding his staff, which started when long-time assistant Jerry Sandusky retired at the end of last season. He has two new \"coordinators\" in Tom Bradley and Fran Ganter. Of course, they are not called coordinators in Joe Pa's system. Assistant head coaches and lots of people think that Ganter is the heir apparent. \"People read too much into Fran being my successor,\" said Paterno. \"I think that would be a mistake (to make such an assumption). Certainly, Fran would be a strong candidate.\" Of course, anyone who follows Paterno is going to have a tough time in meeting expectations. The same goes for Bowden. Bowden had to deal with more controversy a year ago than a man of 70 would like, most if it involving wide receiver Peter Warrick's discount shopping episode. Yet, he rolls on. He's having fun. Each year his battery gets run down a little and each spring he recharges himself. He's finishing up spring drills now with a team that should again compete for the national championship. He'll tee it up for real in August when Florida State hosts Brigham Young in the Pigskin Classic. Paterno will follow suit with a Kickoff Classic appearance against Southern California. And that's the way it should be. In the first season of the new century, college football should showcase its gems. People like Bowden, Paterno and BYU's Lavell Edwards, another lion in winter. In this era of instant gratification when permanency is measured sometimes in months, the Patterns and the Bowdens of the world are indeed a rarity. They will be gone all too soon. Enjoy them -- appreciate them -- while you can. INSIDE DISH Another Division 1A school in Texas? Could happen. The Texas State University System Board of Regents recently voted to allow Southwest Texas State to pursue the move from 1-AA to 1A. Of course, it's not as simple as that. First of all, the Bobcats have not even been a 1AA power in recent years. Last season's 3-8 record marked the 13th time in 16 seasons, Southwest Texas has been under .500. Yet it's Texas and the talent is there. The question, like most schools wanting to make the jump to 1A is what league will they join. Other than Notre Dame, no one can really survive as a 1A independent and even the Irish are having a tough time of late. But then again, maybe the rising Sunbelt Conference would want a nice Texas anchor. . . . Bowden and Florida State recently visited the White House as one of the perks of winning the national championship. Naturally, Bowden was in rare form in his talks with President Clinton. \"The reason we are here, Mr. President is that we simply had a better year than you did. We won all 12 of our battles. You didn't quite win all of yours.\""}, {"response": 357, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Wed, Apr  5, 2000 (06:22)", "body": "Well Texas should have an interesting year with it's opener against Hi..., er, oops."}, {"response": 358, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Apr  5, 2000 (15:35)", "body": "Got that right. Who was considered a worthy season opener for the 'horns? I think LSU finally agreed to bask in Hawaii for the opener here."}, {"response": 359, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Thu, Apr  6, 2000 (06:37)", "body": "Playing Hawaii must be scary stuff, for the Horns to back out so suddenly, what terrors are you unleashing over there?"}, {"response": 360, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Apr  6, 2000 (16:05)", "body": "Nuthin that I know about...I'll ask John and see what sort of inside information he has as to why..."}, {"response": 361, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Apr  6, 2000 (17:41)", "body": "From John Burnett, who knows of what he speaks: Here is my admittedly pro-Hawaii biased view of it, Terry. Texas is going to likely be a pre-season Top-Five pick next year. This game was scheduled several years ago, when Hawaii was still in the \"down cycle\" and UT, while still an excellent program, did not have the national championship prospects or aspirations that they do now. The official line from the Texas athletic department, as I'm sure you've heard, is \"budgetary considerations.\" I consider the validity of that statement highly unlikely, because with whatever guarantee they would get for travelling here, it is highly unlikely they would lose the $100,000 they must contractually pay UH (Hawaii, not Houston) for pulling out of the game. A more plausible scenario is that the interest alone on the main UT football endowment account is larger than the entire yearly budget of Hawaii athletics. The real reason as I see it is: there is nothing for Texas to gain from winning this game, and everything to lose from losing. And this IS a game they could lose. Three or four years ago, the thought that Hawaii could beat Texas--even at home--was virtually unthinkable. Texas would and should, be the favorite, perhaps by as many as 14 points. But who would have thought that the new coach, former NFL quarterback June Jones, who was hired quite late in the 1998-99 school year, would take an 0-12 team and bring them to 9-4 with a bowl victory over a legitimate Pac 10 school? He didn't have a recruiting year. Jones' wizardry was basically done with the same athletes former Coach Fred vonAppen recruited--which shows me he recruited good players--but they were given a more positive environment and attitude. Jones tried to challenge Coach Mack Brown's manhood, to no avail. He said that Brown couldn't be a Texan because he'd never known of a Texan to run away from a fight. (Not true, of course, Brown is from Cookeville Texas, although he may have diluted that Texas bloodline by playing at Florida St. and getting his Masters at Mississippi St.) Hawaii will probably be unranked going into the season, but will no doubt get some votes. I'm certain that a win over them would be absolutely expected and anything less than a decisive victory could hurt UT's rankings. Make no mistake. Our guys, while not perennial ranked powers like yours, or Marcia's Nittany Lions, are dangerous and comport themselves as winners. That has to be of concern to anyone who plays them, especially here on their home turf."}, {"response": 362, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Apr 27, 2000 (18:00)", "body": "http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/mark_blaudschun/20000426.html NCCA bowl games are out of hand by Mark Blaudschun The announcement was made with a minimum of fanfare last week. The NCAA certified two more bowl games for the 2000-2001 season. Joining the fray next winter will be the galleryfurniture.com Bowl in Houston and the Silicon Valley Classic in San Jose, California. Isn't that nice. Now we have 25 bowl games, meaning 50 teams will extend their I-A season for one more game. Guess what folks? there aren't 50 teams bowl worthy. There weren't 46 teams last season. And next year we will be adding another bowl in New Orleans to make it 52. Why stop now? Let's add five or 10 more. Let's get the number up to an even 50, making 100 of Division I-A's 114 teams will be playing in bowl games. Let's make the criteria that if you win at least one game a month during September, October and November, you can play in a bowl game. After all, if some team goes 3-8, it really could be a competitive 3-8 and someone will want to sponsor a bowl game and match up the Pac-10 No. 9 team vs. the Big 12 No. 8 team. When is this nonsense going to stop? The cry against a playoff system is that it would harm the bowl system, which has been so good for college football. Harm the bowl system? How can you hurt something that's already dead? Oh, sure, we expect to hear from schools and bowls saying what a great experience it was for their kids to play a December game in some place like Boise or Pontiac. And the local organizers who put on these games do mean well and try and make the whole experience entertaining. But the law of supply and demand is going to kick in here some time folks. Let's go over this one more time. There aren't enough good teams out there to fill all these bowl slots. There aren't enough average teams. Whatever happened to the philosophy that a bowl was a reward for a good season? We're not talking about a BCS type of season with one or two losses and when a team is contending for the national championship. We're talking about teams that barely win half of their games. \"We reviewed the 1999-2000 bowl operations, and we're confident the current bowl system structure will work well for years to come,\" said John Kasser, chair of the NCAA Football Certification Subcommittee as well as the athletics director at the University of California-Berkeley. Excuse me? What Kasser did not say was that the committee was petrified that a rejection of any of these bowl-wannabes would result in litigation. \"We're a litigious society,\" said Big East Commissioner Mike Tranghese. \"Are there too many bowl games? Yes. But there's not a whole lot we can do at this time in terms of certification. If bowls meet the criteria, they're going to get certified.\" Maybe it's time to change the requirements. Maybe it's time to raise the bar, instead of lowering the bar, by making teams win a minimum of seven games to become bowl eligible. That won't happen, of course, because the commissioner's know their members won't stand for it. So let's have eight of the 11 Big Ten teams play in bowl games next year. Let's have nine of 12 SEC teams play in games. Let's put in a rule that says two-thirds of the teams of each major conference can play in bowl games, no matter what. So what if a team like Ohio State has had an off year and is 6-6. It's Ohio State. Television will love it. And everyone knows when the regular season ends, everyone is 0-0. So what if nobody watches on television or there are thousands of empty seats in the stadium and the game has absolutely no meaning. It's the Bowl System. It's good for college football. Why would we want a playoff, whose payoff could dwarf the entire bowl system? Why would we want to crown a regular season national champion on the field instead of in some computer driven polls? What it is is malodorous and the stench is spreading. INSIDE DISH The decision to end the \"doubleheader\" of bowl games in Hawaii on Christmas Day was a sound one. While the two-year experiment to play the Oahau Bowl and the Aloha Bowl on the same day might have sounded as a nice way to boost attendance on bowl day in Honolulu it didn't work. The crowds weren't there and it was unfair to the teams involved. But the compromise isn't a whole lot better. The Aloha Bowl will be played on Christmas Eve (8:30 in the East) and the Ohau Bowl will be played on Christmas afternoon. For better or worse, the Christamas afternoon slot works. People are used to seeing in on their holiday slate. But playing a bowl game on Christmas Eve afternoon makes no sense. Commercialism has taken over the world, and Christmas and now Christmas Eve is no longer sacred. . . . Michigan played in the Orange Bowl, beat Alabama on New Year's night, was paid $1.4 million and lost money? Here's part of the reason. The Wolverines spent $350,000 to charter jets to take their traveling party and fans down and back and spent $600,000 on lodging. One of the reasons Tom Goss "}, {"response": 363, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, May  1, 2000 (18:52)", "body": "Clemson Lineman Dies of Heart Attack Clemson, SC (Sports Network) - Clemson reserve lineman Brandon Rouse died of a heart attack Saturday night. He was 20 years old. Rouse was at a movie theater when he suffered a cardiac arrhythmia, according to Pickens County Deputy Coroner Phillip A. Snow. He was taken to Oconee Memorial Hospital but could not be revived. Rouse, 6-foot-3, 275-pounds, took part in spring drills for the Tigers and played in the spring game on April 15. He was a redshirt sophomore and had not played for the Tigers in a regular-season game."}, {"response": 364, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Aug 29, 2000 (14:22)", "body": "That loud thud was Penn State falling off the College Football Polls USA TODAY/ESPN TOP 25 COACH'S POLL 1. Nebraska (0-0) 2. Florida St (1-0) 3. Alabama (0-0) 4. Michigan (0-0) 5. Wisconsin (0-0) 6. Miami Fla (0-0) 7. Florida (0-0) 8. Texas (0-0) 9. Kansas St (1-0) 10. Virginia Tech (0-0) 11. Georgia (0-0) 12. Tennessee (0-0) 13. USC (1-0) 14. Purdue (0-0) 15. Washington (0-0) 16. Ohio St (0-0) 17. Mississippi (0-0) 18. Clemson (0-0) 19. Oklahoma (0-0) 20. Illinois (0-0) 21. TCU (0-0) 22. Michigan St (0-0) 23. Texas A&M (0-0) 24. So Mississippi (0-0) 25. Colorado (0-0) ASSOCIATED PRESS TOP 25 1. Nebraska (0-0) 2. Florida St. (1-0) 3. Alabama (0-0) 4. Wisconsin (0-0) 5. Miami Fla (0-0) 6. Michigan (0-0) 7. Texas (0-0) 8. Kansas St (1-0) 9. Florida (0-0) 10. Georgia (0-0) 11. Virginia Tech (0-0) 12. USC (1-0) 13. Tennessee (0-0) 14. Washington (0-0) 15. Purdue (0-0) 16. Ohio St (0-0) 17. Clemson (0-0) 18. Mississippi (0-0) 19. Oklahoma (0-0) 20. TCU (0-0) 21. Illinois (0-0) 22. So Mississippi (0-0) 23. Colorado (0-0) 24. Michigan St (0-0) 25. Texas A&M (0-0)"}, {"response": 365, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep  4, 2000 (22:22)", "body": "Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 - College Football Polls USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Coaches' Poll 1. Nebraska 1-0 2. Florida St 1-0 3. Michigan 1-0 4. Miami Fla 1-0 5. Florida 1-0 6. Wisconsin 1-0 7. Kansas St 2-0 8. Texas 0-0 9. Virginia Tech 1-0 10. Georgia 1-0 11. Tennessee 1-0 12. USC 1-0 13. Purdue 1-0 14. Alabama 0-1 15. Washington 1-0 16. Ohio St 1-0 17. UCLA 1-0 18. Mississippi 1-0 19. Clemson 1-0 20. Oklahoma 1-0 21. Illinois 1-0 22. TCU 0-0 23. Michigan St 0-0 24. So Miss. 0-1 25. Notre Dame 1-0 Associated Press Top 25 College Poll 1. Nebraska 1-0 2. Florida St 1-0 3. Michigan 1-0 4. Miami Fla 1-0 5. Wisconsin 1-0 6. Texas 0-0 7. Kansas St 2-0 8. Florida 1-0 9. Georgia 1-0 10. VA Tech 1-0 11. USC 1-0 12. Tennessee 1-0 13. Alabama 0-1 14. Purdue 1-0 15. Washington 1-0 16. UCLA 1-0 17. Clemson 1-0 18. Ohio St 1-0 19. Mississippi 1-0 20. Oklahoma 1-0 21. Illinois 1-0 22. TCU 0-0 23. Notre Dame 1-0 24. Michigan St 0-0 25. So Miss. 0-1"}, {"response": 366, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Sep 17, 2000 (14:17)", "body": "I think I shall change my login name for this conference... USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Coaches' Poll 1. Nebraska (2-0) 2. Florida St (3-0) 3. Florida (3-0) 4. Virginia Tech (3-0) 5. Kansas St (3-0) 6. Wisconsin (3-0) 7. Washington (3-0) 8. UCLA (3-0) 9. USC (2-0) 10. Michigan (2-1) 11. Clemson (3-0) 12. Ohio St (3-0) 13. Tennessee (1-1) 14. Miami Fla (1-1) 15. Texas (1-1) 16. Oklahoma (2-0) 17. Illinois (3-0) 18. Notre Dame (2-1) 19. TCU (2-0) 20. Michigan St (2-0) 21. Purdue (2-1) 22. Auburn (3-0) 23. So Mississippi (1-1) 24. Georgia (1-1) 25. Mississippi St (2-0) Associated Press Top 25 Poll 1. Nebraska (2-0) 2. Florida St (3-0) 3. Florida (3-0) 4. Kansas St (3-0) 5. Virginia Tech (3-0) 6. UCLA (3-0) 7. Wisconsin (3-0) 8. Washington (3-0) 9. USC (2-0) 10. Michigan (2-1) 11. Clemson (3-0) 12. Miami Fla (1-1) 13. Tennessee (1-1) 14. Ohio St (3-0) 15. Texas (1-1) 16. Notre Dame (2-1) 17. Oklahoma (2-0) 18. TCU (2-0) 19. Illinois (3-0) 20. Auburn (3-0) 21. Purdue (2-1) 22. So Mississippi (1-1) 23. Michigan St (2-0) 24. Georgia (1-1) 25. Mississippi St (2-0)"}, {"response": 367, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 15, 2000 (22:44)", "body": "No one I know made the lists: Associated Press Top 25 1. Nebraska (6-0) 2. Virginia Tech(6-0) 3. Oklahoma(6-0) 4. Miami Fla (4-1) 5. Clemson (7-0) 6. Florida St (6-1) 7. Oregon (5-1) 8. Florida (6-1) 9. Washington (5-1) 10. Kansas St (6-1) 11. TCU (5-0) 12. Georgia (5-1) 13. Mississippi St (4-1) 14. Ohio St (5-1) 15. So Mississippi (5-1) 16. Michigan (5-2) 17. Purdue (5-2) 18. South Carolina (6-1) 19. Oregon St (5-1) 20. Notre Dame (4-2) 21. Arizona (5-1) 22. Minnesota (5-2) 23. UCLA (4-2) 24. No Carolina St (5-1) 25. Northwestern (5-2) USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Coaches Poll 1. Nebraska 6-0 2. Virginia Tech 6-0 3. Clemson 7-0 4. Oklahoma 6-0 5. Miami (Fla.) 4-1 6. Florida State 6-1 7. Florida 6-1 8. Kansas State 6-1 9. Washington 5-1 10. Texas Christian 5-0 11. Oregon 5-1 12. Georgia 5-1 13. Ohio State 5-1 14. Mississippi State 4-1 15. Southern Mississippi 5-1 16. Michigan 5-2 17. Purdue 5-2 18. Oregon State 5-1 19. South Carolina 6-1 20. Arizona 5-1 21. Texas 4-2 22. Notre Dame 4-2 23. Minnesota 5-2 24. UCLA 4-2 25. North Carolina State 5-1"}, {"response": 368, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Oct 16, 2000 (05:16)", "body": "Wow, Texas 21 in USA Today but not even in the top 25 in the AP, well at least Oklahoma has shot up after their blowout of the Horns."}, {"response": 369, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 16, 2000 (14:39)", "body": "This is definitely a bad year for college football in the traditional Spring sense of the word. Even my Florida State grad friends are grumbling...! Wait'll next year..."}, {"response": 370, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (07:16)", "body": "How's Hawaii faring?"}, {"response": 371, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (19:15)", "body": "Hawaii is faring worse, if that is possible, than Penn State. Hawaii won their first game last week and are 1 - 7 in the WAC. I asked John about what was their problem. He suggested they believed their own press clippings and were not driven to succeed as they were last year. I cannot figure why such an expemsive coach does not motivate better. ost of the time, they guys are just not playing. The drop passes which I could hold onto... Their minds seem not on the game!"}, {"response": 372, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (19:22)", "body": "...and my fingers are not on all keys, apparently. Sorry about that... There are many who are unhappy with the former Rainbows name change to Warriors and the green and white school color being changed to black!!! Even the tickets are black. A lot of empty seats this year, too..."}, {"response": 373, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 21, 2000 (16:10)", "body": "PENN STATE 39 ILLINOIS 25"}, {"response": 374, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 21, 2000 (16:11)", "body": "Sorry...there has been so little to cheer about this year..."}, {"response": 375, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct 21, 2000 (18:29)", "body": "* Rice cooks Warriors, 38-13 * * The Owls took an early lead and maintained control * HOUSTON -- It wasn't the kind of record University of Hawaii quarterback Timmy Chang ever imagined setting. But his five interceptions resulted in Rice University securing a 38-13 victory today in a Western Athletic Conference game at Rice Stadium.... Full story at http://starbulletin.com/database/breaking/ -- *sigh*"}, {"response": 376, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 22, 2000 (19:54)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 1. Nebraska(7-0) 2. Virginia Tech (7-0) 3. Oklahoma (6-0) 4. Miami Fla (5-1) 5. Clemson (8-0) 6. Florida St (7-1) 7. Oregon (6-1) 8. Florida (6-1) 9. Washington (6-1) 10. Kansas St (7-1) 11. TCU (6-0) 12. Ohio St (6-1) 13. Georgia (6-1) 14. So Mississippi (5-1) 15. Michigan (6-2) 16. Purdue (6-2) 17. South Carolina (7-1) 18. Oregon St (6-1) 19. Notre Dame (5-2) 20. Mississippi St (4-2) 21. No Carolina St (5-1) 22. Texas (5-2) 23. Northwestern (5-2) 24. Arizona (5-2) 25. Auburn (6-2) USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Coaches Poll 1. Nebraska 7-0 2. Virginia Tech 7-0 3. Oklahoma 6-0 4. Clemson 8-0 5. Miami (Fla.) 5-1 6. Florida State 7-1 7. Florida 6-1 8. Kansas State 7-1 9. Washington 6-1 10. Oregon 6-1 11. Texas Christian 6-0 12. Georgia 6-1 13. Ohio State 6-1 14. Southern Mississippi 5-1 15. Michigan 6-2 16. Purdue 6-2 17. Oregon State 6-1 18. South Carolina 7-1 19. Notre Dame 5-2 20. Texas 5-2 21. Mississippi State 4-2 22. North Carolina State 5-1 23. Arizona 5-2 24. Colorado State 6-1 25. Auburn 6-2"}, {"response": 377, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 23, 2000 (01:32)", "body": "WHAT'S A NITTANY LION? Penn State's athletic symbol, chosen by the student body in 1906, is the mountain lion which once roamed central Pennsylvania. H.D. \"Joe\" Mason, a member of the Class of 1907, conducted a one-man campaign to choose a school mascot after seeing the Princeton tiger on a trip with the Penn State baseball team to that New Jersey campus. A student publication sponsored the campaign to select a mascot and Penn State is believed to be the first college to adopt the lion as a mascot. Since Penn State is located in the Nittany Valley at the foot of Mount Nittany, the lion was designated as a Nittany Lion. In regional folklore, Nittany (or Nita-Nee) was a valorous Indian princess in whose honor the Great Spirit caused Mount Nittany to be formed. A later namesake, daughter of chief O-Ko-Cho, who lived near the mouth of Penn's Creek, fell in love with Malachi Boyer, a trader. The tearful maiden and her lost lover became legend and her name was given to the stately mountain. Blue and White Penn State's student-athletes are instantly identified by their blue and white uniforms - but those weren't the original school colors. A three-member committee representing the sophomore, junior and senior classes was appointed in October of 1887 to develop color options from which the student body would select the school's official colors. Dark pink and black was the unanimous choice of the student body after considering the color combinations presented by the committee. Soon many students and the baseball team were sporting pink and black striped blazers and caps. However, problems arose when the pink faded to white after several weeks of exposure to the sun. The students then opted for blue, rather than black, and white. The official announcement of the new choice was made on March 18, 1890."}, {"response": 378, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 23, 2000 (01:34)", "body": "Fight Fight Fight for the Blue and White... What on earth do you cheer about using Dark Pink and black? ASttack Attack Attack??? It just does not have the same ring to it!"}, {"response": 379, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Oct 23, 2000 (08:30)", "body": "Wow, Texas slipped back in on their Mizzou trouncing, the second not televised game in a row. We have to settle for post game highlight shows around here these days. Maybe this will get them back on the tv radar screen."}, {"response": 380, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 23, 2000 (11:53)", "body": "We got the Texas Tech game here on a religions tv station, but that is it. We usually get west coast teams games unless there is a really big game on in which case all of the network affiliates carry it. Frustrating! The Aggies seem to be doing ok this year..."}, {"response": 381, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 24, 2000 (02:01)", "body": "Bowl Championship Series Rankings 1. Nebraska 2. Oklahoma 3. Virginia Tech 4. Miami (Fla.) 5. Florida State 6. Florida 7. Clemson 8. Oregon 9. Washington 10. Kansas State 11. Ohio State 12. Georgia 13. TCU 14. Southern Mississippi 15. Purdue Associated Press Top 25 1. Nebraska(7-0) 2. Virginia Tech (7-0) 3. Oklahoma (6-0) 4. Miami Fla (5-1) 5. Clemson (8-0) 6. Florida St (7-1) 7. Oregon (6-1) 8. Florida (6-1) 9. Washington (6-1) 10. Kansas St (7-1) 11. TCU (6-0) 12. Ohio St (6-1) 13. Georgia (6-1) 14. So Mississippi (5-1) 15. Michigan (6-2) 16. Purdue (6-2) 17. South Carolina (7-1) 18. Oregon St (6-1) 19. Notre Dame (5-2) 20. Mississippi St (4-2) 21. No Carolina St (5-1) 22. Texas (5-2) 23. Northwestern (5-2) 24. Arizona (5-2) 25. Auburn (6-2) USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Coaches Poll 1. Nebraska 7-0 2. Virginia Tech 7-0 3. Oklahoma 6-0 4. Clemson 8-0 5. Miami (Fla.) 5-1 6. Florida State 7-1 7. Florida 6-1 8. Kansas State 7-1 9. Washington 6-1 10. Oregon 6-1 11. Texas Christian 6-0 12. Georgia 6-1 13. Ohio State 6-1 14. Southern Mississippi 5-1 15. Michigan 6-2 16. Purdue 6-2 17. Oregon State 6-1 18. South Carolina 7-1 19. Notre Dame 5-2 20. Texas 5-2 21. Mississippi State 4-2 22. North Carolina State 5-1 23. Arizona 5-2 24. Colorado State 6-1 25. Auburn 6-2"}, {"response": 382, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Oct 24, 2000 (07:59)", "body": "Texas 22 and 20. Not bad."}, {"response": 383, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 24, 2000 (22:41)", "body": "I'd be happpy with that... *sigh* Wait'll next year...!"}, {"response": 384, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 29, 2000 (23:27)", "body": "Associated Press Top 25 1. Oklahoma (7-0) 2. Virginia Tech (8-0) 3. Miami Fla (6-1) 4. Florida St (8-1) 5. Nebraska (7-1) 6. Florida (7-1) 7. Oregon (7-1) 8. Washington (7-1) 9. TCU (7-0) 10. Clemson (8-1) 11. Purdue (7-2) 12. Michigan (6-2) 13. So Mississippi (6-1) 14. Oregon St (7-1) 15. Notre Dame (6-2) 16. Ohio St (6-2) 17. Georgia (6-2) 18. Mississippi St (5-2) 19. Kansas St (7-2) 20. Texas (6-2) 21. Northwestern (6-2) 22. South Carolina (7-2) 23. Auburn (7-2) 24. Texas A&M (6-2) 25. Georgia Tech (6-2) ESPN/USA Today Coaches Poll 1. Oklahoma 2. Virginia Tech 3. Miami Fla 4. Florida St 5. Florida 6. Nebraska 7. Washington 8. Oregon 9. TCU 10. Clemson 11. So Mississippi 12. Michigan 13. Purdue 14. Oregon St 15. Kansas St 16. Notre Dame 17. Georgia 18. Mississippi St 19. Ohio St 20. Texas 21. Colorado St 22. Auburn 23. Northwestern 24. South Carolina 25. Texas A&M"}, {"response": 385, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov  5, 2000 (15:59)", "body": "I hate football!!! USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Coaches' Poll 1. Oklahoma(8-0) 2. Miami Fla (7-1) 3. Florida St (9-1) 4. Florida (8-1) 5. Nebraska (8-1) 6. Washington (8-1) 7. Oregon (8-1) 8. Virginia Tech (8-1) 9. Purdue (7-2) 10. Oregon St (8-1) 11. Kansas St (8-2) 12. Notre Dame (6-2) 13. Georgia (6-2) 14. Ohio St (7-2) 15. Clemson (8-2) 16. Mississippi St (6-2) 17. TCU (7-1) 18. Northwestern (7-2) 19. Texas (7-2) 20. Colorado St (8-1) 21. Michigan (6-3) 22. So Mississippi (6-2) 23. Auburn (7-2) 24. Texas A&M (7-2) 25. South Carolina (7-2) Associated Press Top 25 1. Oklahoma(8-0) 2. Miami Fla (7-1) 3. Florida St (9-1) 4. Nebraska (8-1) 5. Florida (8-1) 6. Oregon (8-1) 7. Washington (8-1) 8. Virginia Tech (8-1) 9. Purdue (7-2) 10. Oregon St (8-1) 11. Notre Dame (6-2) 12. Northwestern (7-2) 13. Ohio St (7-2) 14. Georgia (6-2) 15. Mississippi St (6-2) 16. Kansas St (8-2) 17. Clemson (8-2) 18. TCU (7-1) 19. Texas (7-2) 20. Michigan (6-3) 21. South Carolina (7-2) 22. Auburn (7-2) 23. Texas A&M (7-2) 24. Georgia Tech (6-2) 25. Southern Miss (6-2)"}, {"response": 386, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 13, 2000 (16:17)", "body": "Sheesh... when does LaCrosse season start?? USA Today/ESPN Coaches' Poll 1. Oklahoma (9-0) 2. Miami Fla (8-1) 3. Florida St (10-1) 4. Florida (9-1) 5. Washington (9-1) 6. Oregon (9-1) 7. Virginia Tech (9-1) 8. Oregon St (9-1) 9. Kansas St (9-2) 10. Nebraska (8-2) 11. Notre Dame (7-2) 12. Ohio St (8-2) 13. Mississippi St (7-2) 14. Clemson (8-2) 15. Texas (8-2) 16. TCU (8-1) 17. Purdue (7-3) 18. Michigan (7-3) 19. Auburn (8-2) 20. So Mississippi (7-2) 21. Georgia (6-3) 22. Georgia Tech (7-2) 23. Texas A&M (7-3) 24. Northwestern (7-3) 25. Tennessee (6-3) Associated Press Top 25 1. Oklahoma (9-0) 2. Miami Fla (8-1) 3. Florida St (10-1) 4. Florida (9-1) 5. Oregon (10-1) 6. Washington (9-1) 7. Virginia Tech (9-1) 8. Oregon St (9-1) 9. Kansas St (9-2) 10. Nebraska (8-2) 11. Notre Dame (7-2) 12. Ohio St (8-2) 13. Mississippi St (7-2) 14. Texas (8-2) 15. TCU (8-1) 16. Clemson (8-2) 17. Purdue (7-3) 18. Auburn (8-2) 19. Michigan (7-3) 20. Georgia Tech (7-2) 21. Texas A&M (7-3) 22. Georgia (6-3) 23. Northwestern (7-3) 24. So Mississippi (7-2) 25. South Carolina (7-3) Bowl Championship Series 1. Oklahoma (9-0) 2. Miami Fla (8-1) 3. Florida St (10-1) 4. Florida (9-1) 5. Washington (9-1) 6. Virginia Tech (9-1) 7. Oregon (10-1) 8. Nebraska (8-2) 9. Oregon St (9-1) 10. Kansas St (9-2) 11. Notre Dame (7-2) 12. Mississippi St (7-2) 13. Ohio St (8-2) 14. Texas (8-2) 15. Texas A&M (7-3)"}, {"response": 387, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 21, 2000 (15:56)", "body": "Bowl Championship Series 1. Oklahoma (10-0) 2. Florida St (11-1) 3. Miami Fla (9-1) 4. Washington (10-1) 5. Oregon St (10-1) 6. Virginia Tech (9-1) 7. Florida (9-2) 8. Nebraska (8-2) 9. Kansas St (10-2) 10. Oregon (9-2) 11. Notre Dame (8-2) 12. Texas (8-2) 13. Clemson (9-2) 14. TCU (9-1) 15. Michigan (8-3) USA Today/ESPN Top 25 Coaches' Poll 1. Oklahoma (10-0) 2. Miami Fla (9-1) 3. Florida St (11-1) 4. Washington (10-1) 5. Virginia Tech (9-1) 6. Oregon St (10-1) 7. Kansas St (10-2) 8. Nebraska (8-2) 9. Florida (9-2) 10. Notre Dame (8-2) 11. Oregon (9-2) 12. Clemson (9-2) 13. Texas (8-2) 14. Purdue (8-3) 15. TCU (9-1) 16. Michigan (8-3) 17. Auburn (9-2) 18. Georgia (7-3) 19. Georgia Tech (8-2) 20. Ohio St (8-3) 21. Northwestern (8-3) 22. Texas A&M (7-3) 23. Mississippi St (7-3) 24. Tennessee (7-3) 25. Colorado St (9-2) Associated Press Top 25 1. Oklahoma (10-0) 2. Miami Fla (9-1) 3. Florida St (11-1) 4. Washington (10-1) 5. Oregon St (10-1) 6. Virginia Tech (9-1) 7. Florida (9-2) 8. Kansas St (10-2) 9. Nebraska (8-2) 10. Oregon (9-2) 11. Notre Dame (8-2) 12. Texas (8-2) 13. TCU (9-1) 14. Purdue (8-3) 15. Clemson (9-2) 16. Michigan (8-3) 17. Auburn (9-2) 18. Georgia Tech (8-2) 19. Georgia (7-3) 20. Northwestern (8-3) 21. Ohio St (8-3) 22. Texas A&M (7-3) 23. Mississippi St (7-3) 24. LSU (7-3) 25. Tennessee (7-3)"}, {"response": 388, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Jan  4, 2001 (16:31)", "body": "Here are the final polls from USA Today and the Associated Press: January 4, 2001 USA Today/ESPN Top 25 College Football Coaches' Poll 1. Oklahoma(13-0) 2. Miami Fla (11-1) 3. Washington (11-1) 4. Florida St (11-2) 5. Oregon St (11-1) 6. Virginia Tech (11-1) 7. Nebraska (10-2) 8. Kansas St (11-3) 9. Oregon (10-2) 10. Michigan (9-3) 11. Florida (10-3) 12. Texas (9-3) 13. Purdue (8-4) 14. Clemson (9-3) 15. Colorado St (10-2) 16. Notre Dame (9-3) 17. Georgia (8-4) 18. TCU (10-2) 19. Georgia Tech (9-3) 20. Auburn (9-4) 21. South Carolina (8-4) 22. Mississippi St (8-4) 23. Iowa St (9-3) 24. Wisconsin (9-4) 25. Tennessee (8-4) Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll 1. Oklahoma (13-0) 2. Miami Fla (11-1) 3. Washington (11-1) 4. Oregon St (11-1) 5. Florida St (11-2) 6. Virginia Tech (11-1) 7. Oregon (10-2) 8. Nebraska (10-2) 9. Kansas St (11-3) 10. Florida (10-3) 11. Michigan (9-3) 12. Texas (9-3) 13. Purdue (8-4) 14. Colorado St (10-2) 15. Notre Dame (9-3) 16. Clemson (9-3) 17. Georgia Tech (9-3) 18. Auburn (9-4) 19. South Carolina (8-4) 20. Georgia (8-4) 21. TCU (10-2) 22. LSU (8-4) 23. Wisconsin (9-4) 24. Mississippi St (8-4) 25. Iowa St (9-3)"}, {"response": 389, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Thu, Jan  4, 2001 (19:26)", "body": "Since Washington beat Miami, I still think they should be second. Even though I live in Floria I'm glad Oklahoma is in first. They played a good game."}, {"response": 390, "author": "lafn", "date": "Thu, Jan  4, 2001 (19:54)", "body": "Even though I live in Floria I'm glad Oklahoma is in first. They played a good game. Thank you ...of course I'll agree since I live in Oklahoma.Hee, hee... Hey, in Sept.those guys came into the season #20! And clawed their way up.A hardworking bunch of kids ,with a tremendous coach. They deserved that trophy."}, {"response": 391, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jan  5, 2001 (13:15)", "body": "OKLAHOMA!!! CONGRATULATIONS ON A GRAT WIN. Evelyn I thought of you! As for my Penn State, ....wail'll next year...!!!"}, {"response": 392, "author": "lafn", "date": "Fri, Jan  5, 2001 (17:09)", "body": "Marcia)OKLAHOMA!!! CONGRATULATIONS ON A GRAT WIN. Evelyn I thought of you! As for my Penn State, ....wail'll next year...!!! Thank you, Marcia. LOL... I'm a Nittany Lion fan too Marcia...#1 son graduated from Penn State. Joe Paterno is The Great One in my books:-))"}, {"response": 393, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jan  5, 2001 (18:16)", "body": "I knew there was a reason I loved you so much! I am posting the Dave Kindred column which appeared in my email this morning. How harsh do you think he is being? Barbara, I did not send this to you for obvious reasons (FSU grad that you are...) Once again, things aren't as they appear by Dave Kindred We'll get to Marty Schottenheimer, who is as much a public fool today as are those \"experts\" (hahaha) who liked Florida State over Oklahoma. Let's start with this: The Downtown Athletic Club, right now, today, not a minute later, should cast a new sculpture of 11 tacklers bending that straight-arm back into Mr. Heisman Chris Weinke's nostrils. This new trophy done in gold and diamonds should be overnighted to America's heartland bearing the inscription \"Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Dare the Sooners.\" Goodness, what Oklahoma did to poor Weinke and Florida State. For all that Heisman-hype talk about the Sooners' quarterback, Josh Heupel, he may be the seventh or eighth or 15th most important player on that team. Oklahoma's defensive unit was not only amazing, which most any decent defense can be, it was amazing not for a quarter or a half but ALL NIGHT LONG. If Weinke plays 10 years in the NFL (and this game suggests he should be happy with three or four seasons as a backup), he'll never see a defense that good again. Even when Weinke completed a pass, the receiver was tackled so quickly with such force that it was a small wonder as the night wore on that Florida State's receivers, made wary, dropped passes otherwise catchable. Some folks, such as the one attached to this typing machine, foresaw a Florida State victory that would throw the Bowl Championship Series into confusion even greater than that which attends it naturally. The idea was that Oklahoma couldn't score against the Seminoles, and the Seminoles could score against anybody. Well, half-right. Oklahoma scored a touchdown and two field goals, which, as everyone knows, is like not scoring at all because 13 points won't beat Florida State. In fact, if Oklahoma had scored 13 points in every game this year, it would have won four times instead of 13 times. But on this night, 13 points were much more than enough because Oklahoma's defense was so good that the frustrated Weinke even tried to lumber/scramble for a critical first down late - and fumbled when hit by one of the Sooners' careening linebackers. As long as we're admitting fallibility, one might also say the BCS produced a true national champion after all. The system's computers told us Oklahoma was No. 1, and while Miami, Florida State and Washington believed they had legitimate claims at the national championship, they didn't, really. Only Oklahoma won 'em all. Here's really all we need to know: Oklahoma beat Nebraska by 17 and Nebraska then went to the Alamo Bowl and beat one of the Big Ten's champions by 49. Now, Marty Schottenheimer. When the Redskins fired Norv Turner with three games left in the season, Schottenheimer, former Browns and Chiefs coach, said he could never work for an owner such as Mr. Daniel M. (Call Me Mister) Snyder, the 36-year-old twerp with no football experience who made critical football decisions last year that helped produce the highest NFL payroll in history ($92.2 million) and another of the league's zillion 8-8 records. Quoth Schottenheimer back then: \"I don't have any interest (in the Redskins job) because it wouldn't work for (Snyder), or me, and most important, the team. If a player has a sense that the head coach is not the one they're ultimately accountable to, if they feel there's an alternative in the owner's box, it becomes very difficult to manage and coach that player.\" Now Schottenheimer says he spoke too quickly about Snyder, that he spoke as an outsider, and that he spoke with insufficient information. Part of that information, perhaps, is that Snyder was willing to pay him $10 million for four years. That kind of information might cause an out-of-work coach to reconsider his criticism. It might even move that coach to say, \"Mr. Snyder, do you like cream with your coffee?\" Dave Kindred is a contributing writer for The Sporting News. E-mail him at kindred@sportingnews.com."}, {"response": 394, "author": "lafn", "date": "Fri, Jan  5, 2001 (19:29)", "body": "I don't really keep up with football stats or players. LOL...Im just a rural Okie who is so proud of our lil ole farm team that ranked 20th in Sept. and came into the Orange Bowl as the underdog by 12 points. Las Vegas odds and every sports announcer was ready to give it to Florida before the game was even played. Perhaps that taught everyone a lesson in fair play. Oklahoma is a small state. LOL. Today's paper announced that the trophy would be exhibited at the Sear's stores in Okla. City and anyone could have a free photo made with the trophy. Doesn't that tell you something about how close we feel to those guys!! sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 47, "subject": "cricket", "response_count": 136, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (14:58)", "body": "Mark, we're ready to learn!"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (15:02)", "body": "Go wasy. Make it simple at first please."}, {"response": 3, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (18:21)", "body": "Mark is so good at this stuff, but as I write, it is midnight for him. Thanks for creating this topic, Terry. I know there is interest out there for this. I shall send the URL to a Droolian lady who used to play cricket and whose whole family has done so. Perhaps Mark will even tell you of the Freudian slip I did in a letter to him as we discussed the sport...it was so funny!!! And, when it occurred to me that I had made the error, I was all giggles...you will see. Rught now, however, it is 2330 GMT nd I hope he is abed and sleeping soundly! I shall wish him a Hawaiian Good Morning Aloha Kakahiaka!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (18:58)", "body": "First of all, Cricket has to be the most \"couth\" game in the universe. They break for tea, then for dinner. Also for drinks, but not as long as the previous two...How civilized!"}, {"response": 5, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:24)", "body": "You should have been British, Marcia."}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:35)", "body": "I was until my grandfather came to America for his health (tuberculosis, supposedly) and married a local lady who was to become my grandmother...When I step onto England's green and pleasant land...I am HOME in the most visceral way. My genetic code relaxes, my bloodline is happy and my innards get all excited by the food. Yes, they have excellent food in Britain, and I will take on all comers who disagree!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:45)", "body": "You are one of the few (Americans) I've heard defend British food. But since you consider yourself a Brit, that would only make sense. I always hear (and in all fairness, only know from hearsay) bland and tasteless (except for kidney pie, which seems to revolt some). I do like Shepherd's Pie, but I don't know if the American version is spicier. I do know that it at least has salt and pepper, which I find necessary in most food."}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:52)", "body": "The British (I consider myself American, btw!)have some of the best meat in the world...they do not need to hide it under obscuring sauces and spices. To me, meat is best when it tastes like what it is..just a little salt and pepper...that is really all it needs. Soups and stews are wonderful with Worcestershire Sauce...! There are things British I have not attempted - like jellied eels..! Yeesh!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:55)", "body": "The only place on earth I can stomach stewed prunes and Brussles Sprouts is Britain. They turn them into things poetic. Clotted cream is to die for...You cannot imagine it because there is no way to describe it in words. Like making love, it must be experienced to understand how incredible it is."}, {"response": 10, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:55)", "body": "I like a good cut of meat with just salt and pepper (maybe a little onion and garlic doesn't hurt, as well). Worcestershire sauce is excellent--and spicy. Fair enough on the jellied eels...have you tried kidney pie?"}, {"response": 11, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:57)", "body": "Somehow clotted cream would have to taste different than it sounds to be \"to die for.\" It sounds like something \"to die of.\""}, {"response": 12, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (19:58)", "body": "Cornish pasties (not pronounced the way the strippers do) and meat pies of all sorts - including Shepherd's pies are excellent and just the right thing to set you off for the fells to go climbing or moors for hiking. Lovely stuff, and not one indigestible one in the batch!"}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:00)", "body": "re: clotted cream...you did note with what I compared it?! I do not minimize my favorable impression of the stuff, and this is from someone who throws away whipped cream as too greasy and tasteless...!"}, {"response": 14, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:02)", "body": "yes...the name just sounds so unappetizing and unimaginative"}, {"response": 15, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:04)", "body": "BTW, I love most melted cheeses, but there is not enough melted cheese in the universe to get me to eat a Brussels sprout...ugh....I went days without eating as a child because my mom insisted I eat those she gave me before I could have anything else."}, {"response": 16, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (20:05)", "body": "My mom. too. Bitter nasty little green cabbages, was how my Father called them. They are buttery and mild in the tight little island...*sigh*"}, {"response": 17, "author": "ommin", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (21:53)", "body": ""}, {"response": 18, "author": "ommin", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (21:54)", "body": "Brussel Sprouts - love em, very popular here in Oz, with roast beef or lamb, roast potatoes, carrots and mince sauce for the lamb and horseradish for the beef, with yorkshire pudding!!!!!!!!!"}, {"response": 19, "author": "ommin", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (21:55)", "body": "Brussel Sprouts - love em, very popular here in Oz, with roast beef or lamb, roast potatoes, carrots and mint sauce for the lamb and horseradish for the beef, with yorkshire pudding!!!!!!!!!"}, {"response": 20, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (22:02)", "body": "Now, Anne, my lady cricketer and explainer...please give a brief resume' of the stuff of cricket...we were talking food until you and Mark arrived. He is in England, so we will not get his take on this for about 5 more hours...Please tell us about things cricket. Terry wants to know and he is totally in the dark about it. I wish to know more...and John is curious, too. We await your comments."}, {"response": 21, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (00:10)", "body": "Please explain \"clotted cream\" to me, also. All I have is a sexual metaphor. And Marcia, you seem to be avoiding the kidney pie question."}, {"response": 22, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (01:11)", "body": "never had kidney pie in Britain. In America had one which tasted like the kidneys were still functioning as God intended. It makes me think of that every time I see one... Clotted cream comes from very special cows whose milk is so rich that this thick cream forms on top when left to sit and settle. It is almost like butter, but nothing like as greasy. Frank liked it enough that he had it on chocolate ice cream which I considered highly decadent. It is wonderful on fruit tarts and fresh fruit and on gym socks and on your tongue and anything else you can get it on. I think your sexual connotation might be highly likely as an enjoyable idea."}, {"response": 23, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (01:13)", "body": "Certainly sounds like it would beat Crisco..."}, {"response": 24, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (01:27)", "body": "...but not for making pie crusts..."}, {"response": 25, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (01:37)", "body": "To make that pie crust perfect and glossy, brush beaten egg white over it before baking."}, {"response": 26, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (03:57)", "body": "A cricket topic with 25 posts already! What's going on? First of all, British food is pitiful and defenceless - and the sad thing is, we all like it. Oddities like clotted cream, steak & kidney pie (or pudding), spotted dick, toad in the hole only appeal to some even here, but boy when they appeal... Back to cricket. The essence of the sport is to score more runs than the other team. Runs are achieved by hitting the ball away when it has been bowled and running to the other end of the \"wicket\" (22 yards away) while your batting partner runs the other way. However, you are out (i.e. your own innings is ended) if you are: 1 Bowled - the stumps behind you are hit by the ball 2 Caught - a fielder catches the ball before it bounces 3 Run out - the fielder hits the stumps with the ball before you have reached them in running 4 Leg before wicket - the umpire judges that your body saved you from being bowled There are six other increasingly strange means of getting out. To ensure that you do not get either caught or bowled, you spend a lot of time blocking or leaving deliveries, and the most traditionally elegant scoring shots are all along the ground (therefore cannot be caught). The field has boundaries which count as four runs (or six if you clear them). Scores can get very high (at my level, 250 runs for the team - the highest score ever recorded was over 900, I think). Each team bats through its whole line-up (10 men get out, because the last one left in cannot go on without a partner) once - except in \"first-class\" cricket, which has two innings. If the end of the game arrives and the side batting second has not reached the target score, but is not all out, the game is a draw. A form of cricket which ensures a winner has become enormously popular (limited-overs, or \"one-day\" cricket\") and forms the basis for the World Cup, which happens every four years, and was won by Australia this year. The ball is heavier than a baseball with a seam running round it, which helps bowlers to swing or spin it - because bowling requires a straight elbow, the only real method is to run in and whirl the arm over. However, as the ball can bounce on the way to the batsman, spinning it is an alternative to sheer speed. The bat is, I think, 3.5 feet long (about as long as the 3 stumps), and as John says, its back is triangular looking. That's cricket - I expect I missed something out that is crucial, but hey"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (10:07)", "body": "Now, I can take my first baby step toward understanding cricket, that's good. This topic is like cricket, a long food break, then back to the game, long, liesurely, like a Sunday afteroon cricket game. I'll have to watch one sometime, there must be cricket in Austin somewhere, I've heard that there is down in Zilker Park."}, {"response": 28, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (12:08)", "body": "OK, Terry, if you see this, you're in the right place. This is meant to show a wicket, i.e. a set of stumps with bails on top, the object that the batsman defends from the bowler. Of course being cricket, a word can mean several different things, so a wicket is also the term for an out, or a dismissal - \"He took my wicket with a great ball\", \"That bowler's got five wickets today\". And a wicket can be used to refer to the 22-yd strip o grass between the stumps, e.g. a green wicket or a sticky (i.e. wet) wicket."}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (12:12)", "body": "Question of the day. What's a googly?"}, {"response": 30, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (12:37)", "body": "A leg-spinner normally bowls a delivery that, when it hits the ground, turns away from a right-handed batsman. However, by twisting his wrist round further, he may be able to bowl a ball that looks similar, but turns the other way (in towards a right-hander). This is a googly. Where the name came from nobody knows."}, {"response": 31, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (12:59)", "body": "In the immortal words of Frank Zappa, \"Great googly moogly!\" Now I have a certain rudimentary understanding of what the Samoans I've been watching were doing. Thank you. The baseball equivalent of a googly is a screwball. Any sport which breaks for tea and bickies--and especially for dinner--is ok with me."}, {"response": 32, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:09)", "body": "I believe the screwball, like leg-spin, is a bit of a dying art? In fact though leg-spin is reviving, you don't see many googlies nowadays. The top leg-spinners like Shane Warne bowl a ball called a \"flipper\" instead! Would you believe that at the end of the season one of the factors we've been known to discuss when deciding our fixture list for next year is which teams served the best (or worst) teas?"}, {"response": 33, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:19)", "body": "The screwball is a dying art. It puts too much strain on pitchers' elbows and ultimately shortens their careers (case in point, Fernando Valenzuela). What does the flipper do? I know a few Brits and I am impressed what a serious business tea is to them. No bags, loose leaf, water boiled just so..."}, {"response": 34, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Sep 28, 1999 (13:20)", "body": "Did I not tell you this was an esoteric sport of gentlemen interested in the purity of all phases of the game?! How bad can a tea get?! Just hot, flavored water and nothing solid to munch on, or was it tepid? How gauche! I'd imagine the best ones were the sort out of which you could make a good meal. Do let us know about this part of cricket they do not discuss on short wave radio! John, where are you watching cricket locally?!"}, {"response": 35, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (10:35)", "body": "Sorry, tea is not just the drink (yuck!) but also the whole \"meal\" that goes with it - so a bad cricket tea will consist of an egg sandwich, a tuna & cucumber sandwich, a sausage roll, a piece of sponge cake, and a plastic cup of tea. The minuscule size of all these items I just cannot describe to Americans. I'm not sure that I know what a flipper actually is - I get the impression that despite a loopy trajectory, it skids fast at the batsman on hitting the pitch (this used to be called a plain old top-spinner, I'm sure) Was that guy Joe Niekro (or was it Phil) a screwballer? Didn't he get caught throwing sandpaper away when he was frisked?"}, {"response": 36, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (11:14)", "body": "He was actually a knuckleballer, and yes, he was hiding a piece of emory board. Scuffing the ball causes it to defy the laws of physics, although a good knuckleball (a misnomer) can do that without scuffing. It is held quite tightly with all fingernails (you must have long, strong nails) and then pushed in a fashion towards the batter. It is a slow pitch without any rotation on the ball, but seems to move in any unpredictable direction. A good knuckleball makes hitters (and catchers as well) look stupid. A bad knuckleball (which has even one rotation) is just a batting practice lollipop and can become a home run pitch. Joe Niekro's older brother. Phil is a baseball Hall-of-Famer. Joe Torre said of Phil Niekro: When I was his teammate, I couldn't catch him. When I was his opponent, I couldn't hit him. Later, I found out I couldn't manage him, either. Baseball comedian Bob Uecker, who was once a Braves catcher said, \"I figured out how to catch Phil Niekro. You just wait until the ball stops rolling, pick it up and throw it back to him. If there are people on base, you just shut your eyes and hope the ball hits you and stays in front."}, {"response": 37, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (20:46)", "body": "From AnneH in Australia: My greatest cricketing memory was sitting on the grass at the Oval Cricket Ground in 1958 with my brother. Fred Trueman was bowling wonderfully, he was just off 3 for 300 wickets. He bowled and got two wickets - on a hat trick for his three hundred and got it. I have never seen such excitement. Wonderful day, wonderful weather, and it was just a week before I left home to take up nursing so I have strong memories of it all."}, {"response": 38, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (20:52)", "body": "Is AnneH Anne Heche? I don't see any cricket locally...I used to see it at Ke'ehi Lagoon and Kapi'olani Park in Honolulu and when I visit, if I'm driving by and see them playing, I'll still stop and watch if I have time. I don't know the game, but I do know atheticism when I see it."}, {"response": 39, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (20:52)", "body": "Even if I can't spell it *SMILE*"}, {"response": 40, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (21:25)", "body": "AnneH is Anne Hale who has played cricket her whole life - born and bred in England and currently living in Australia. She is a very good friend of mine *smile* ( I have misspelled it on occasion, too)"}, {"response": 41, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (21:26)", "body": "see post 19 this topic to see if she is real...she has problems posting and I leap to her aid when possible."}, {"response": 42, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (21:46)", "body": "Re: \"Bad tea\" (American style). Kool-Aid (any flavor), vanilla wafers, and bologna on chicken in a biscuit crackers."}, {"response": 43, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (22:44)", "body": "Ooop, time for a spot of tea again."}, {"response": 44, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 1999 (23:13)", "body": "I have spots where I stained my shirt with spilled Lipton..."}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (09:50)", "body": "Googlie is a screwball, that figures. Hmm, should I search google for googlie? Well, I found this crickettalk: Dave 'DT' Taylor, the 'genial guru of googlie', 'sensual sorcerer of spin', 'titilating temptress of turn', 'ovulating overlord off break'(eh?). 'DT' is to spin bowling what Grocer is to financial planning (work that one out!). Without doubt one of Gowers entertainers. Comical genius in any role. The Chaplin of the long walk, 'DT' provides the lighter side of the game. Regularly inspiring chants from the pavilion of \"Coco! Coco! Coco!\". Dave was successfully introduced to stud earlier this year, resulting in the recent addition of Cameron to the Gower parish. We can only hope that not everything is passed on genetically. It was on http://home.ust.hk/~ttslack/Gower/profiles/CCCprofiles.html"}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (09:52)", "body": "And there's a lot more information on \"cricket clubs\" here http://home.ust.hk/~ttslack/Gower/"}, {"response": 47, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Thu, Sep 30, 1999 (11:25)", "body": "I'll have to make \"google\" me default search engine."}, {"response": 48, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (00:06)", "body": "whilst we await Mark's return, Karen posted this in drool and I am borrowing it For those losing sleep because they don't understand cricket, I found this website that looks incredibly comprehensive. There is actually a diagram of a googley, among other strange things. Can't wait to study this one. http://www.ozsports.com.au/cricket/cricket_exp.html"}, {"response": 49, "author": "KarenR", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (00:35)", "body": "Here you go, pictures:"}, {"response": 50, "author": "KarenR", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (00:38)", "body": "Mark, the equivalent in America is discussing which ballparks serve the *best* hotdogs, as if there were such things! Or maybe nachos!"}, {"response": 51, "author": "KarenR", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (00:43)", "body": "As regards British food, there are far better restaurants in London now than there were a number of years ago when I first visited. Brussel sprouts are wonderful. Most people overcook them and that's why they have such a bad reputation - the smell. Clotted cream is used like butter, spread on scones, etc. It's not at all like whipped cream. Can buy it here, and actually have some little gift packages with strawberry preserves in the fridge right now."}, {"response": 52, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (00:43)", "body": "That is Fantastic, Karen!!! Mahalo Nui Loa. I am about to import AnneHale's descritpions from 119 if she does not get home from the cricket match (where she actually is this weekend)and tell us all about it...We need all the help we can get. I understand just enough to follow the game on Short wave but not enough to tell anyone else much about it."}, {"response": 53, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (00:47)", "body": "Oooh Clotted Cream....*sigh* How incredibly delightful. You bet the Brussels Sprouts are splendid and buttery over there - fresh and cooked only till tender. We have no idea here how to cook them!"}, {"response": 54, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (02:03)", "body": "I can't even follow those diagrams myself, and I know what the actual deliveries look like! Good luck to anyone trying to learn from them. True that London restaurants are improving - serving French & Italian food, Chinese, Indian, Tex-Mex, whatever. Haven't seen sprouts and clotted cream in a top restaurant in a while."}, {"response": 55, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (02:27)", "body": "At least it's comforting to know my lack of understanding of the diagrams is not just a byproduct of my own terminal ignorance."}, {"response": 56, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (16:12)", "body": "Better still, Mark's comments were reassuring to this cricket beginner...I thought I understood the rudimants of the game, but I could get nothing from the diagrams. Thanks...now, we need more information or I will have to paste the stuff from Drool - and I'd rather not. (Too bad about the dearth of sprouts and clotted cream in fine dining...!)"}, {"response": 57, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (21:01)", "body": "If I ever see another Brussels sprout in this life, it will be too soon. Clotted cream I will reserve judgment on for if the day comes I actually have some."}, {"response": 58, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (21:05)", "body": "Maybe it is one of those thing, like Kona Coffee, that is best consumed in the land of its perfection."}, {"response": 59, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (21:08)", "body": "If you get real Kona coffee, fresh, it's great anywhere."}, {"response": 60, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (21:12)", "body": "...true...but our AD makes it too strong and it is bitter and nasty like that. Of course, you are used to Navy coffee, and if it is anything like Marine coffee, it will eat the bowl out of your spoon! (my email is not working. Welcome home!)"}, {"response": 61, "author": "KarenR", "date": "Mon, Oct  4, 1999 (21:34)", "body": "When did clotted cream and brussels sprouts become the hallmark of fine dining? Clotted cream gets served at tea, with the jam and biscuits. Had it in a little teashop somewhere in the Cotswolds."}, {"response": 62, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (02:40)", "body": "At the risk of getting verbally swatted by you again, Karen, I don't think anyone said it was. Marcia mentioned they were two of her favorite memories of British food. She's the only non-Brit I ever met who claimed to like English food (I've been to Ireland, but not to England). Here in Hawaii, a surprising number of top students go to England for a year or two to study, and they almost all come back thinner and complain about the food. Marcia, I never liked--nor did I get used to--Navy coffee. I've been spoiled by drinking good coffee since my late teens. And you're right, BT makes lousy coffee, but I don't think he drinks the stuff."}, {"response": 63, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (02:44)", "body": "Clotted cream is delightful in its place (which is, ideally, a Cotswolds teahop), but like all English food is not haute cuisine. I was just saying that London restaurants may have improved, but English food has stayed the same. I didn't want to comment on AnneH's Trueman memory until I'd researched it, but that afternoon was in 1964, Anne, not 1958 - you may be six years younger than you thought? Apparently all through the lunch interval the Oval was agog with the excitement of whether Trueman would achieve his 300th Test wicket with a hat-trick - though the book says that he actually became the first bowler to get there about 20 minutes later. When asked if he thought anyone would ever reach 300 again, he said \"If they do, th y'll be bloody tired!\""}, {"response": 64, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (10:28)", "body": "Mark, that's funny even though I don't understand it. A hat trick in hockey is three goals in a game, a hat trick in baseball is striking out (as a batter) three times in a game. What is a hat trick in cricket?"}, {"response": 65, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (10:38)", "body": "Oops, John, should have explained a hat-trick in cricket is three wickets taken in successive balls (even with a lunch interval in between). That concept could never really translate to soccer and hockey etc. I guess there's no need for a term for striking out a batter with the first three pitches he receives (except maybe \"useless\")?"}, {"response": 66, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (10:44)", "body": "I call it \"whiff-o-rama\"..that of course is not official baseball lingo. But the hat trick makes sense to me...it is always something thrice. In baseball, striking out four times in a game is the \"big sombrero,\" five times is the \"golden sombrero.\" The game certainly has a Spanish flavor now with the large influx of Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and Cubans into the major leagues."}, {"response": 67, "author": "KarenR", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (11:33)", "body": "At the risk of getting verbally swatted by you again There are worse things in life... was in 1964, Anne, not 1958 - you may be six years younger than you thought? LOL!! Oh, that it worked that way. Did I not notice something in those cricket pages about something called a \"Golden Duck\"?"}, {"response": 68, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (11:43)", "body": "A golden duck is a batsman's dismissal from his first ball received. In a sport in which you hope to bat for over an hour this can be very frustrating. Still there will always be a team-mate on hand to shout quack-quack or ask you why you played such a careless shot first ball. I have heard losing your wicket to the first ball of the innings described as a platinum duck, but my team ran out of metals when someone was bowled out by the first ball of a new season. (Etymology: a duck is a score of nought, probably from comparison of the figure with a duck's egg; so a more special version (out first ball) is a golden duck)"}, {"response": 69, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (11:52)", "body": "Other unusual cricket terminology: Maidens: an over (six balls) bowled without conceding any runs is described as a maiden - cue endless jokes about \"bowling a maiden over\" - a bona fide cricket term or very stiltedromantic metaphor. Note: Marcia remembered this term as \"virgins\", which is funnier. Silly point: The fielding positions of point, mid-off and mid-on can all move closer to the batsman, to the point at which they are described as \"silly\", principally because of the risk of injury. Many other fielding positions have daft names, e.g. extra cover, short square leg, third man, fine leg, fly slip. Chinaman: normal delivery of a left-arm wrist-spinner. Beginning to fall foul of the politically correct lobby, but enough of a rarity that it doesn't matter yet. More on request"}, {"response": 70, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (12:02)", "body": "At the risk of getting verbally swatted by you again \"There are worse things in life...\" If you're not kidding, you're appallingly arrogant."}, {"response": 71, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (12:17)", "body": "Wow! I don't get this .. what was appallingly arrogant? Karen misinterpreted a throwaway of Marcia's, was corrected, smiled back : end of story. No? Actually, on second thoughts, scrub that. When this girl gets at it with the rapier, there's usually a body count. Swat away!"}, {"response": 72, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (12:21)", "body": "To put things in their proper perspective, there are worse things in life than root canals (such as subdural hematoma, massive coronaries which leave you still breathing, and metastasized malignant tumors). That doesn't mean I am praying for a massive coronary any more than I am a cheap shot such as (Mr. Mariah Carey...or was that Jennifer Lopez?) It was not being corrected on a point where I was clearly wrong that I object to. I actually appreciate it if it's done with some sense of tact rather than d gnity-stripping disdain. If it was my assessment of Costner as a mediocre actor which got your dander up originally, it is just an opinion and I have a right to it. I also conceded that he has been in some excellent films. I am impressed with your brains. I understand that you have been on Jeopardy...even passing the test to get on is quite the accomplishment. But that doesn't mean that being kicked by you is a privilege."}, {"response": 73, "author": "KarenR", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (13:22)", "body": "I'm outta here."}, {"response": 74, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (14:04)", "body": "Ok, children, back to cricket and the terminology. More Please, Mark? I love the term \"worm Burner\" for a keenly hit grounder. For the real feel of cricket and its history try http://www.lords.org/ecb/coaching/index.html from the home of cricket, Lords Cricket Ground. Will get more, but I am recovering from a Root canal and my brain is on the 'numb' setting."}, {"response": 75, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (21:23)", "body": "Mark... This is something that started somewhere else and has been festering in me for quite some time. Sorry. But she won't see me in \"Drool\" again, either. That was MY mistake."}, {"response": 76, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (21:59)", "body": "I am reposting AnneH's comments on Cricket from Drool 119 since most of you do not go there: I used to play cricket years ago. My favourite game, I spend hours in the summer watching it. The pitch is between two wickets - 22yds long. The aim to bowl out the batsmen any way possible by hitting the wicket, by lege before wicket or by a catch. The batsman's aim is to score as many runs as possible. A ball running to the boundary is a four, a ball going high over the boundary is a six. All the other runs are scored by two batsman running between the wickets and score as many runs as possible wi hout being run out by the ball being thrown at the wicket. In a test match they play for five days, two innings each. The other is a one day match with 50 overs bowled - they hopefully the bowlers that is try to bowl maidens!!!!! I will carry on if any one is interested. Average scores can go from 400 to 100 or until all batsmen are out or at least 10 of them. Anne H"}, {"response": 77, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct  5, 1999 (22:20)", "body": "Mark posted this on Drool 72 The reason more balls aren't caught in cricket is that the batsman doesn't have to run when he hits it. So they normally hit it downwards. This way they can stay in for ages while amassing big scores (a 5-day \"test match\" is thirty hours of play (for a maximum forty outs!). Incidentally in Flashman's Lady the umpire doesn't reverse his call, an appeal is a request rather than a complaint. But don't get me started, I'm a major cricket bore."}, {"response": 78, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (01:32)", "body": "I'm a major boxing bore (maybe you cold even drop the adjective--in this case--boxing), but we're here because we want to find out about something related to us, yet quite mysterious to most Americans. I probably won't post again because of my innate gift of pissing people off (which doesn't mean drunk in the American vernacular), but I will read, so by all means, \"Bore away!!!\""}, {"response": 79, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (01:34)", "body": "Further to \"worm-burner\", which I like, a delivery that shoots along the ground on landing is known in cricket as a daisy-cutter (I have heard other terms and forgotten them). A South African professional recently got fined and banned for using the traditional SA term for such a ball: \"coolie-creeper\". A dolly is an easy catch - is that a deliberate pun, I wonder? A rabbit is a poor batsman, and consequently a ferret is an appalling batsman (because he \"goes in after the rabbits\") Cow corner is the derisive name for the fielding position placed when an \"agricultural\" batsman comes in - one who swipes at the ball."}, {"response": 80, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (08:21)", "body": "Stick around John, you ain't pissin' me off. You can go a few more rounds! I am going to have to actually see a cricket match one of these days to really grasp it. How many folks here have seen a match at least once? How many actually play it?"}, {"response": 81, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (10:48)", "body": "I used to watch Samoans play cricket at a couple of places in Honolulu. Kapi`olani Park in Waikiki, and Ke`ehi Lagoon Park, near the Honolulu Airport. I was always fascinated by it although I wouldn't have known when something was happening except to hear the cheering. I kept my distance and never asked questions as Samoans in Hawaii are very clannish and wary of Caucasians and most other outsiders as well (unfortunately, in their history, they've had good reason to be). I know it's a stereotype, but a large percentage of Samoan people are also large, muscular, and excellent athletes. Reading Mark's posts has helped me to gain some insight, in retrospect, to what was actually happening there. I'm sure their teas and lunches were quite different from those in England, though."}, {"response": 82, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (12:29)", "body": "Very little cricket is played in the US, I believe, although there are odd pockets of English (and other) ex-pats in NY and Philly. A Hollywood eleven used to receive some press and play sides on tour, I heard, and just recently someone used cricket to help convert L.A. street-gang kids from violence to sport. (At least that's what the publicity for the volunteers would have us believe - needless to say the British press swallowed the story whole without finding out if the kids knew one end of a bat from the other). On Samoan size and clannishness: all testified to by supporters following teams from Samoa, Tonga and Fiji during the current Rugby World Cup currently. Tiny nations, but they sure can play rugby!"}, {"response": 83, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 1999 (13:02)", "body": "Oooh! Goody...Cricket being discussed. (John, don't you dare leave me all alone in here! You are anything but a bore...anyone who can judge boxing matches and write poetry is a wonderful thing. I promise to give you back rubs or whatever if you'd like!) Mark, I love the terms (including the SA one) for what we call grounders in baseball. Another thing about Samoans; we had a girl on the volleyball team who had just played her last game for us (the UHHilo Vulcans) before graduating. A goodly contingent of Samoans were there to applaud her efforts. As the teams were preparing to leave, the Samoans broke into an impromptu song and dance that made your hair stand on end. It was magnificent...and no one left while they were performing. Incredible stuff! BTW, the New Zealand announcers used the term \"worm-burner\" if I am remembering correctly!)"}, {"response": 84, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (17:48)", "body": "Here is a really complete Cricket site with lots of hot links to wherever you need to go - and it is from Cricket USA...! http://www-usa.cricket.org/"}, {"response": 85, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 1999 (18:14)", "body": "For cricket coverage and more From Wisden Cricket Monthly (Thanks MarkG !) http://www.wisden.com Radio Australia coverage and frequencies for shortwave and internet broadcasts http://www.abc.net.au/ra/sport/sptransmit.htm#ra Radio New Zealand International coverage and frequencies for same: http://www.rnzi.com/pages/sports.htm"}, {"response": 86, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (11:25)", "body": "Australia vs Pakistan is in the second day of 5 days of test match Cricket. You can listen on the internet at http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/broadcast/ Or on short wave at 17.580 MHz (lots of QRM last night!) Check the score card from the first day of play http://www.abc.net.au/news/cricket/scorecard.htm"}, {"response": 87, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (11:27)", "body": "check http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/test/#timezone to see what time it will be played for your area of the world."}, {"response": 88, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (17:47)", "body": "Wow I'll try it on my mobile shortwave rig, the Yaesu FT-100."}, {"response": 89, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (18:04)", "body": "And you sitting inside of the best conductor around...How can you miss?! I not the frequency is very noisy here but it should be getting dark in Austin about now. It should begin around this time, if my calculations are correct. Off to check the internet connection. (2pm HST or 6pm Austin)"}, {"response": 90, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (18:10)", "body": "Terry the match has just begun and the internet connection is crystal clear!!! Whoopee!!"}, {"response": 91, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (19:52)", "body": "'Tis almost lunch time. Is everything clear? Understand what all those terms like maidens, overs, no-balls and none-for-12, and all that mean? It seems incredible that one side scores 367 runs before the other side gets their innings. Stay tuned, fans, we have some experts waiting to help us understand."}, {"response": 92, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (20:59)", "body": "If you are using Real Player and it goes silent on you, hit the pause button on your player (the 2 parallel lines) then hit the arrowhead on the left (play button) . That sould kick it back into action."}, {"response": 93, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (18:00)", "body": "The day's match is about to begin...tune in Radio Aussie either on the internet or on short wave 17.580 http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/broadcast/"}, {"response": 94, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (18:29)", "body": "Will it go on for a couple of days?"}, {"response": 95, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (18:45)", "body": "This is the third of 5 days of play, unless one team concedes defeat. And, you carry your score with you. If you dig yourslf a hole, you are stuck in it for the duration!"}, {"response": 96, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 1999 (18:46)", "body": "Oh, and the Test Match against India will be broadcast the same way, as well."}, {"response": 97, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (08:53)", "body": "It was a very, very faint signal on my FT-100 last night on the way in to Austin. Is it still playing?"}, {"response": 98, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov  7, 1999 (13:25)", "body": "It usually goes till 10pm HST which would be 2am for you in Austin. The QRM was really bad later on in the day. They will be playing today again beginning the usual 6pm for you and 2 pm for me. Do try listening on the Internet. It was spectacular!"}, {"response": 99, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (12:07)", "body": "I think this Test is a sure-fire draw - unless Pakistan have an early collapse on Day 5. The great thing about almost all cricket games is that the commentators can say \"I think this session coming up is probably going to be the most important of the entire match\" before every session, and mean it! Partly because they're kidding themselves, and partly because the match can go through big shifts of dominance relatively quickly."}, {"response": 100, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (13:12)", "body": "As they say in the US, \"It ain't over till it's OVER\" (Yogi Berra?!) Last day of this test match today commencing at 2pm Hawaiian time, 6pm Austin time. 0000 Zulu."}, {"response": 101, "author": "ommin", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 1999 (23:38)", "body": ""}, {"response": 102, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Tue, Nov  9, 1999 (03:35)", "body": "Score one to Yogi Berra and the next-session-could-be-crucial people. Pakistan collapse and Australia go one up, which I'm sure was Anne's point. (And that's why a Test match takes five days)."}, {"response": 103, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov  9, 1999 (10:58)", "body": "Thanks Mark (wish Anne's posts would not self-destruct.) I was pretty amazed that it was so easy for OZ after 367 runs for Pakistan the first day, then Shane Warne batting so poorly the second day. Next test match - India."}, {"response": 104, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Nov 10, 1999 (13:09)", "body": "Anne's and my conversation re the cricket matches upcoming: M: How do you think OZ will do against India??? A: depends on how well Tendulkar bats - it really does depend on him. He plays well Oz is in trouble. M: this is going to be a tougher cricket match than the last one, do you think? A: India is tougher than Pakistan - Pakistan are apt to make silly mistakes."}, {"response": 105, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Thu, Nov 11, 1999 (04:17)", "body": "But I think Australia have two more tests against Pakistan in November before India arrive in December."}, {"response": 106, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Nov 11, 1999 (12:35)", "body": "This is true. I consulted your Wisden pullout calendar and note that the Second Test Match agains Pakistan begins 18 November and the Third begins the 26 November. I would imagine for those of us in the US, that is the day prior to the dates shown above. More about that as the time draws nearer - same method of listending to the matches as last time."}, {"response": 107, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (23:23)", "body": "Cricket is on Radio Australia again. The second test match between Australia and Pakistan is in day 1. Tune in http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/broadcast/ daily at 6pm Austin time. 0000 GMT."}, {"response": 108, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Nov 18, 1999 (23:26)", "body": "Short wave 17.580 Mhz"}, {"response": 109, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (05:55)", "body": "This is a bit of a thriller now. Pakistan have moved ahead with only one wicket down in the second innings, and it looks certain to be a win inside the distance for one team or the other."}, {"response": 110, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (11:46)", "body": "It looks to be a better test match than the last series. Which, if Pakistan wins with make it dead level even (as they say). Question: If OZ wins this test match that would put them up 2 - 0. Would the third test match be played anyway?"}, {"response": 111, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (12:45)", "body": "Third test would be played. I guess a five day match is too long (& lucrative)to junk because of the series being dead. Although winning the series is always the most important thing, a final \"dead\" Test will always be strongly contested, with the beaten side hoping to regain some pride and get on an upswing, and the superior side trying to keep their run of good form going. In the mid-80s, England suffered two consecutive 5-0 \"blackwash\" defeats at the hands of the West Indies. How we wished that the series would be stopped after 3 each time!"}, {"response": 112, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (12:52)", "body": "My sympathies on the \"blackwash\" defeats for England. The Windys have always been a formidible team - at least as long as I have actively been pursuing the game around the \"British Empire.\" I am happy to know that not just greed determines the play of the \"dead\" Test, and that it is played for pride more than anything else. Great stuff. Thanks, Mark!"}, {"response": 113, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov 19, 1999 (20:42)", "body": "Cricket is on again but please use the right hand option. Windows media player is booming in without problems and RealPlayer cannot get connected at all."}, {"response": 114, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (21:50)", "body": "Well, it is three days down and Australia is way ahead. Did Pakistan concede? What happens next?"}, {"response": 115, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (22:43)", "body": "Anne Hale reports Marcia - we won and how. Two West Australians won the match for them. Hurrah. Richie Benaud the commentator mentioned the fact that Americans were listening to the match. So you are noted. Anne"}, {"response": 116, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (22:52)", "body": "She also clarified what was \"A Silly Point\" to which the announcers kept alluding: The fielder stands so near the wicket that he is liable to get his head knocked off by the batsman as he tries for a boundary. Thus silly point, mid off and mid on. Anne There! Got it?! I also asked if they played tomorrow (there was still a day scheduled for play: No, thats it until Perth on the 26th. It should be fine and hot, fast wicket - good for fast bowlers and hopefully Langer and Gilchrist knowing the wicket so well will shine again. Shane Warne does well in Perth too. I shall be listening to the radio because it is not onT.V, until 3 o'clock in the afternoon."}, {"response": 117, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Nov 21, 1999 (23:23)", "body": "Then she teased me with this email, so I asked her for a tutorial, please! Cricket is a wonderful game - its so intriguing for the unitiated and it is great fun explaining some of the rules. What about bowling, wrong uns, googlies, right arm over the wicket, left arm around the wicket, bumpers, etc. Getting out - Stumping, leg before, knocking bat on wicket, even if the cap hits the wicket and the batsmen is not in the crease - what's the crease that little line a yard or so in front of the wickets and if your foot is not over that line you are out!!!! Anne"}, {"response": 118, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 23, 1999 (11:33)", "body": "Anne Hale responded with Lesson 1 Well, visualise the space between the two wickets - 22 yards, about a yard out from both wickets is a line - which is called the crease. If the ball is missed and goes to the wicketkeeper and the batsman's feet are outside the crease - he will be stumped by the wicketkeeper who whips the bails off - the two little sticks, poles whatever put on top of the three wickets. Leg before wicket is again when the batsman misses the ball and it hits the batsman's pad's - those big padded things on each batsman's legs and the umpire is sure if his leg had not been in front it would hit the wicket and knock the bails off - then he is out. It is quite hard to discern leg before and the umpire's have to have exceptional eyesight. Another innovation recently installed is the third umpire - the match is videoed then slo moed in the pavilion and outside are two lights green and red, green for not out and red for out. This is used mainly for a run out - i.e. one of the batsman does not reach the crease in time and the wicket and bails are either hit by throwing by a fieldsman or again whipped off by the wicketkeeper. To avoid being out the batsman has to have his bat over the crease and touching the ground. Enough for one lesson I think. Anne"}, {"response": 119, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (05:31)", "body": "Well, Pakistan got trounced in the 3rd test by almost exactly the same margin as England were rolled over in South Africa (an innings & 20 runs, versus an innings & 21 runs). Meanwhile, in Harare, Nuwan Zoysa, a late replacement for Sri Lanka, took a hat-trick with his first 3 balls of the match, the 1st time this has ever happened in 1st-class cricket. An unbelievable feat for a Test Match, and barely reported because Sri Lanka & Zimbabwe are thought to be the weakest Test nations. The Zim/SL test could actually finish with the same margin too."}, {"response": 120, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (12:00)", "body": "Incredible stuff, Mark. Thanks for posting it. So, Oz, per usual, is the team to beat season year?! I am sorry I had to miss the fun, but my commitments to the Basketball tournament took me away for 14 hours a day. Today I crash!"}, {"response": 121, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 30, 1999 (06:53)", "body": "You been truckin' it girl."}, {"response": 122, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov 30, 1999 (12:55)", "body": "Always! I never knew how to do things by halves... Our usual schedule is to setup before anyone gets there and put away after they have all left. As a result, armed with only old t-shirt for the local school (UHHilo) I managed to turn in sales of $686.50 for just 3 days. Gimme the good stuff (tournament shirts and the like) and I can make you thousands. I seem to be the friendly helpful type who attracts people to ask questions...then they stay and buy something - all for the benefit of the Athletic cholarship program."}, {"response": 123, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (19:36)", "body": "Ok, Cricket Fans, Australia is playing another test match. The url to download your Internet listening source is http://www.abc.net.au/cricket/broadcast/ I am finding short wave is better than the interent this afternoon/evening at 17.580 MHz"}, {"response": 124, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (20:11)", "body": "Australia vs India in Aiustralia"}, {"response": 125, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (20:12)", "body": "oh bugger...Australia...but you knew, didn't you?!"}, {"response": 126, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (02:36)", "body": "Meanwhile England concede a brief advantage back to SA in their second Test of a 5-game series"}, {"response": 127, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (12:11)", "body": "Is it being broadcast by the BBC via the Internet? Check for additional informatin : http://www-usa.cricket.org/ match to continue at 0830 GMT tomorrow. tune in then to see how much further England can go to achieving their long cherished dream of taking a match into the 5th day Match State: Stumps - Day 2 End of over 44 (1 run) England 139/1 (trail by 311 runs) M Hayward 8-1-31-0 (1nb) - Duckpond End N Hussain 70* (125b 7x4 2x6) MA Atherton 58* (133b 9x4) 43.6 Hayward to Atherton, no run, and to the keeper, England finish their day with a decent batting effort, almost up to Test standards 43.5 Hayward to Atherton, no run, just the one ball to go now, comatose has almost set in builds the dramatic tension by tying his shoelace 43.4 Hayward to Atherton, no run 43.3 Hayward to Hussain, one run, aborting a pull shot, ball goes anywhere, or long leg to be precise fastest ball of the day too, 151 km/hr 43.2 Hayward to Hussain, no run, top ball, seaming in, perhaps a faint inside edge, Boucher drops it diving a distance to his left 43.1 Hayward to Hussain, no run, knocked into the ground, the Eastern Province Express (excuse the banality) had built up a head of steam End of over 43 (1 run) England 138/1 (trail by 312 runs) SM Pollock 15-5-41-1 (4nb) - Park Drive End N Hussain 69* (122b 7x4 2x6) MA Atherton 58* (130b 9x4) 42.6 Pollock to Atherton, no run, very wide of the off stump, Atherton would've needed a second bat and a lot of sticky tape to reach that one 42.5 Pollock to Atherton, no run, defended awya outside the off stump 42.4 Pollock to Atherton, no run, a mere 8 balls remaining now, no chance for England to be dismissed today then 42.3 Pollock to Hussain, one run, dragged around, pull shot, gathered by the long leg 42.2 Pollock to Hussain, no run, again, nothing doing 42.1 Pollock to Hussain, no run"}, {"response": 128, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (19:54)", "body": "Cricket on again...I have heard them mention a \"windy woof\" - is that like fanning the ball in baseball? Hitting at it and missing it altogether??? Internet broadcast is working well. 17.580 MHz is not good lately as they have another frequency on top of Radio OZ ... and they are louder - in Chinese!"}, {"response": 129, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (08:57)", "body": "Correct about a windy woof. Eng v SA is not on a live Webcast, I believe, as the rights have been bought by Talk Radio, who don't webcast. Every other England Test series for the last two years has been on Radio5live. But it looks like this one has nearly petered out into a draw as I write."}, {"response": 130, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (13:53)", "body": "...is that like \"kissing your sister\" as they imply in the USA with such contest outcomes? Disappointing, to say the least! Thanks, Mark. It appears that we must be content to listen to OZ test matches if the English ones are being kept insular. I am all disappointment!"}, {"response": 131, "author": "ommin", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (00:32)", "body": "Hey. hey hey - big match today - 2nd final Oz - Pakistan."}, {"response": 132, "author": "MarkG", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (02:47)", "body": "Big match, but the expected outcome - Australia take an unassailable 2-0 lead. A massive score of 337 (well over a run a ball) deflates Pakistan. At home, Australia are utterly unbeatable, and even when away, are normally favourites. Meanwhile England won the last Test in South Africa after the captains contrived to play for a result following three days of rain (\"3DOR\"?), and are now embroiled in a less predictable triangular tournament with South Africa and Zimbabwe. All square with one more match each to play in the group stage, where one team will be eliminated before the one-match final."}, {"response": 133, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (11:40)", "body": "Thanks! I'll be listening. MArk, I have your baseball score book here ready to send. Please let me know via email where you would like to have it sent. I also got some lineup sheets from the last softball games which teams exchange (They also give a copy to the scorer) to send with it."}, {"response": 134, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (10:50)", "body": "The Queen honours the RUC by presenting the force with the George Cross for its role in policing the Troubles. In the growing world cricket scandal, former England supremo Ray Illingworth reveals he was offered cash to throw a match. http://www.pa.press.net/sport/cricket/CRICKET_Illingworth_5801s.html?pab153"}, {"response": 135, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (14:07)", "body": "Cricket Headlines from http://www.pa.press.net/sport/cricket/main.html LEWIS TO FACE ECB PROBE Chris Lewis has been ordered to meet the England and Wales Cricket Board on Tuesday to discuss his revelations that three Test players took cash for fixing matches. FULL STORY ICC CALLS SUMMIT OVER MATCH FIXING The International Cricket Council has responded to calls for action over corruption in the game by announcing an emergency meeting at Lord's. FULL STORY FOUR INDIAN TEST STARS NAMED IN 'MATCH-FIX' SCANDAL Four top Indian Test players have been named as the latest suspects in the 'match-fixing' scandal which will form the basis of the emergency International Cricket Council meeting at Lord's next month. FULL STORY SOUTH AFRICA AIM TO TEMPT DONALD WITH CONTRACT Allan Donald will be offered a specially shortened contract by South Africa after he completes his season with Warwickshire. FULL STORY KABIR IS PEARS' SURPRISE PACKAGE Worcestershire bowling prodigy Kabir Ali is out to give Benson and Hedges Super Cup holders Gloucestershire the shock of their lives when the sides face up in a regional clash at New Road on Tuesday. FULL STORY ACB - WE'RE NOT TO BLAME FOR CRISIS The Australian Cricket Board have dismissed claims by an Indian government minister they are partly to blame for cricket's current gambling crisis. FULL STORY WINDIES WIN AGAIN West Indies produced a fine all-round display to beat Pakistan by 17 runs in the sixth and final preliminary match of the tri-nation 2000 Trophy limited-overs series in St George's. FULL STORY BRAVE BLAKEY TO THE RESCUE FOR YORKSHIRE Richard Blakey overcame a painful finger injury to guide Yorkshire to an unlikely Benson and Hedges Cup victory over Roses rivals Lancashire at Headingley. FULL STORY WORCESTERSHIRE EASE PAST GLAMORGAN Rookie Seamer Kabir Ali and opening batsman Paul Pollard helped power Worcestershire to a comfortable nine-wicket win over Glamorgan in the Benson and Hedges Cup at New Road. FULL STORY DURHAM CRUMBLE TO ORMOND AND KUMBLE Pace bowler James Ormond and leg-spinner Anil Kumble came good to help Leicestershire to victory against Durham in their Benson & Hedges Cup group game at Grace Road. FULL STORY"}, {"response": 136, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Jul  4, 2000 (16:25)", "body": "--- Nude Cricket Players Warned For Showing Off Wickets ---- LONDON, England - A West Yorkshire police officer broke up a four-man game of nude Cricket at the Scholes Cricket club near Huddersfield after receiving complaint from residents. According to a spokesman for the West Yorkshire police, \"Nobody was arrested, it was just a matter of giving them some advice regarding their conduct.\" Perhaps it was about what direction their foul balls were going. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 48, "subject": "Track and Field", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 27, 1999 (16:48)", "body": "For the second time in 17 months, Tegla Laroupe of Kenya ran the fastest marathon ever by a woman. Her 2:20:43 in Berlin yesterday broke her old mark by 4 seconds. She was trying to break 2:20. What's your marathon time, Stacey? sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 49, "subject": "Houston Oilers", "response_count": 4, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 1999 (08:59)", "body": "ATLANTA -- Houston rejoined the NFL Wednesday, paying a record $700 million for an expansion franchise and beating out Los Angeles, the nation's second-largest TV market. The vote, announced by Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, was 29-0 with Arizona and St. Louis abstaining. Twenty-four votes were needed for approval. The decision represents a blow to Los Angeles, which could not agree on several proposals for a stadium site. The city lost the Raiders to Oakland and the Rams to St. Louis after the 1994 season. The vote awarding Houston businessman Bob McNair the team followed months of indecision in which the NFL at one point conditionally awarded a franchise to Los Angeles. A deadline for Los Angeles to come up with a suitable stadium proposal came and went, eventually putting Houston back into the picture. \"I think after a while we all got tired of it, thought it was time to make a decision,\" McNair said. The $700 million fee is the highest for a sports team in the United States. With a $310 million stadium included, the Houston deal would be worth more than $1 billion -- a first for the NFL. \"It's a great day for Houston, we hope a great day for football,\" McNair said. \"Our facility will be second to none.\" The vote returns an NFL team to Houston, which lost the Oilers to Tennessee after the 1996 season. Owners also voted to adjust the league alignment to eight divisions of four teams each. Right now, there are six divisions -- one with six teams and the rest with five. Houston will be placed in the AFC, where the old Oilers played. That would mean one AFC team would have to switch to the NFC. Arizona and St. Louis abstained because of questions over the proposed alignment. McNair said a retractable-roof stadium will be completed in time for Houston to play its first season in 2002. Public funds of $195 million will go into the project. As part of the deal, Houston will be the site of a Super Bowl \"as soon as practical after completion of the stadium,\" Tagliabue said. \"We've made an outstanding business proposal, and these are good business people who know a good proposal,\" McNair said. \"From what I know about the other proposals, I don't think they compare to ours. I think the main issue is that Houston's ready to go.\" The league's expansion committee met with McNair on Tuesday evening and also heard Michael Ovitz make another pitch for giving Los Angeles the 32nd team. McNair's $700 million franchise bid is some $50 million higher than the new franchise was expected to be worth. Ovitz, who most recently proposed building a stadium at Hollywood Park in Inglewood, Calif., and another group seeking a team for the Los Angeles Coliseum apparently did not make an offer anywhere close to the one Houston put on the table. Ovitz and his backers hold an option on a parcel of land at Hollywood Park. But he obtained the option just last week, so any plan for that site would have to be in the very early stages. Ed Roski, one of the Coliseum backers, also was in Atlanta. He would not disclose the amount of the offer made by his group, which includes billionaire Eli Broad. Roski did say that he believed any plan to build a stadium at Hollywood Park faced a number of challenges, including lacking easy access to freeways, that the Coliseum proposal did not face. Los Angeles City Councilman Mark Ridley-Thomas said in Los Angeles that the Coliseum group never received a clear idea of what the NFL wanted in LA. The league owners voted 29-2 last March to give Los Angeles a team conditional on the NFL's receiving a suitable stadium and financing proposal by Sept. 15. The league shortly afterward narrowed the choice down to the Coliseum, eliminating a bid by Ovitz, who proposed building a stadium in suburban Carson. But negotiations with the Coliseum stalled last summer after the NFL requested--and did not receive -- the promise of $150 million in public funds to go toward the Coliseum project."}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 1999 (12:13)", "body": "Texas needs another NFL team to replace the Tennessee bunch. Delighted to know that the Cowboys will have intrastate rivals again (or is absolutely EVERYBODY in Texas automatically a Cowboy fan?)"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 1999 (12:16)", "body": "Not automatic, at least in Austin and Houston. LA just didn't care."}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 1999 (12:25)", "body": "LA is a very self-absorbed place...they do not deserve a team because they would not support it. As you say, they just don't care. You cannot know how happy it makes me to hear that all Texans are not Cowboy fans. For years I have rooted for ABC (Anybody But Cowboys) due to their attitude and arrogance...then they fired Tom Lnadry and I really did not like them. Oh well...! The Texans I have grown to know and love are worthy - I was just afraid to ask as I did not want to know that they were fans of a team for which I have nothing but contempt. (... perhaps that is too strong a word...) sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 5, "subject": "Houston Rockets", "response_count": 7, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug  5, 1996 (09:18)", "body": "The Rockets should make a major move for Charles Barkley if they want to give the Bulls a run next year."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (23:48)", "body": "And they *did*, Barley's a Rocket!"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (01:27)", "body": "Brent Price, 6'1\", 185, dob: 12/09/68 Year Tm G Min FG% FT% 3P% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 92-93 Was 68 12.6 .358 .794 .167 0.4 1.5 2.3 0.8 0.0 1.3 1.3 3.9 93-94 Was 65 15.9 .433 .782 .333 0.5 1.4 3.3 0.8 0.0 1.8 1.8 6.2 95-96 Was 81 25.2 .472 .874 .462 0.5 2.8 5.1 1.0 0.0 1.9 2.3 10.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL 71.3 18.4 .433 .835 .395 0.5 2.0 3.7 0.9 0.0 1.7 1.8 6.9"}, {"response": 4, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:57)", "body": "Well, the Rockets couldn't knock off the Jazz, but they sure wore them down for da Bulls."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:07)", "body": "They came close to beating the Jazz just like the Jazz came close to beating the Bulls. But close doesn't count for much."}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Apr 15, 2003 (22:31)", "body": "Yao, in a Q&A with the Denver Post: Q: Would you like to be more popular than Tiger Woods? A: \"It's not something that I would really want. It's too tiring.\" Q: What are your favorite English words? A: \"Last question.\""}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Apr 16, 2003 (04:47)", "body": "\"He is a great person. He is a wonderful person. He has a great sense of humor,\" he said. \"He is 22-years-old, but he is mature beyond his years. And it is funny, at 29, I think I can learn a lot from him.\" And Yao is learning a lot from his translator, Colin Pine, who lives with Yao and his parents in a house in suburban Houston. \"His English is getting better and better. We talk in English a lot. Just to practice, we try to have conversations in English,\" he said. \"You know, he will be independent and that is the goal. I do not know at what time [when]. But it is going to happen sooner, rather than later.\" Pine says Yao is getting used to life in the United States. \"He has been here several times before, so I do not think it is as much of an adjustment as people think. He does not have a lot of time to go out and see things, so I think it is tough,\" Colin said. \" But I think he adapts well to everything. So, I think, no matter where he is, or would be, he would be able to adapt. \" http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=9E4BAD91-B5E2-45E4 - A8A285E62FC10C58 sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 50, "subject": "College Volleyball", "response_count": 25, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Oct 11, 1999 (00:09)", "body": ""}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (22:08)", "body": "Division I | Division II | Division III | October 18, 1999 The USA TODAY/American Volleyball Coaches Association Top 25 women's Division I volleyball teams as ranked by 60 coaches with records through October 9 (first place votes in parenthesis): Rank School Total Points 1999 Record Last Week 1 Penn State (43) 1480 18-1 1 2 Hawai'i (17) 1455 16-0 2 3 Pacific 1374 17-1 3 4 Florida 1293 17-2 4 5 Long Beach State 1266 15-2 5 6 UCLA 1212 17-1 6 7 Stanford 1126 14-2 7 8 BYU 1069 13-2 8 9 UC Santa Barbara 993 15-3 9 10 Texas 915 13-3 10 11 Pepperdine 914 14-2 11 12 Kansas State 854 14-2 13 13 Nebraska 839 14-4 12 14 Clemson 660 18-1 15 15 Colorado State 588 17-1 14 16 Texas A&M 569 14-4 16 17 USC 524 11-5 17 18 Arizona 475 12-5 18 19 Northern Iowa 425 19-0 19 20 Illinois 313 11-3 23 21 Colorado 292 11-6 20 22 Arkansas 255 16-4 21 23 Minnesota 203 16-4 22 24 Univ of San Diego 149 14-3 25 25 North Carolina 109 17-3 NR Others receiving 30 or more points: San Jose State (54)."}, {"response": 3, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 1999 (22:10)", "body": "I scribbled the first post because I discovered it was a poll from three years ago and irrelevant. Now that Penn State is Number 1 on at least this poll, I just had to post it! Thanks, Terry, for this topic. It should be popular - especially when the men get playing. Men are great to watch play Volleyball....*sigh*"}, {"response": 4, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Wed, Oct 20, 1999 (01:18)", "body": "Volleyball is not that big of a spectator sport on the mainland. Not like here. Most people only know either the Olympians or the two-man beach kine v.b. Almost nobody saw our own beloved but beleaguered coach Sharon Peterson play either as an Olympian (1964 Tokyo, 1968 Mexico City) or as a pro in the mid 70s."}, {"response": 5, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Oct 20, 1999 (13:20)", "body": "That well may be, but the lady longhorns are 10th and the lady aggies are 16th on that top 25 list. Someone other than Hawaii (and California) must be watching it! (I did not see her play, did you???)"}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 22, 1999 (20:13)", "body": "One team who will never see that Top 25 is the University of Hawaii at Hilo Vulcan Wahine. They are having their worst year ever that I can remember in longer than I care to say, and we are playing our strongest in-state team this evening. Two nights ago we lost to the second strongest in just an hour and three games 1-15, 2-15, 10-15. This evening should be under an hour and I think our total score will be tallied on one hand for all of the games we play. Sad!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 22, 1999 (20:15)", "body": "John, what has happened to our recruiting?! Coach Peterson's pipeline has sprung leaks or has rusted shut? Something is definitely wrong...!"}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Nov 29, 1999 (16:51)", "body": ""}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec  8, 1999 (16:36)", "body": "Women's Volleyball Rankings Volleyball Polls (All Divisions) USA TODAY/AVCA women's top 25 Through Nov. 29 Rank Team (1st-place) Pts. Record Last 1 Penn State (52) 1488 30-1 1 2 Stanford (8) 1444 26-2 2 3 Hawaii 1367 27-1 3 4 Florida 1301 30-2 4 5 Pacific 1292 28-2 5 6 Long Beach State 1194 27-3 7 7 UC Santa Barbara 1116 26-5 8 8 UCLA 1056 25-3 6 9 Pepperdine 1048 24-3 10 10 Nebraska 934 25-5 11 11 Colorado State 922 28-2 12 12 Brigham Young 857 26-4 9 13 Texas A&M 780 25-5 13 14 Southern California 684 20-8 14 15 Texas 614 21-7 15 16 Clemson 604 31-2 16 17 Northern Iowa 555 28-0 17 18 Arizona 437 19-10 19 19 Kansas State 387 20-8 18 20 Baylor 361 25-8 22 21 Colorado 261 18-11 21 22 Minnesota 239 25-8 20 23 North Carolina 221 27-5 23 24 Arkansas 125 29-6 24 25 San Diego 110 22-5 25"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (08:48)", "body": "Wow, Hawaii is a volleyball powerhouse. Do they play Texas in the upcoming schedule?"}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (14:56)", "body": "They played Texas A&M last evening and lost, but i think that was men's basketball. In women's collegiate volleyball Penn State has clinched the Big 10 (11) title. BIG 12 NCAA REGIONAL SCHEDULE Dec. 9-10 at Honolulu, Hawaii Colorado State vs. Long Beach State 9 p.m. Texas A&M vs. Hawaii 11 p.m. Regional Final 9 p.m. Dec. 9-10 at Palo Alto, Calif. Nebraska vs. Santa Barbara 7 p.m. Stanford vs. Arizona 9:30 p.m. Regional Final 9 p.m. Times listed as Central NCAA semifinals/championship Dec. 16 & 18, at Honolulu, Hawaii Stan Sheriff Center BIG 12 NCAA TOURNAMENT RESULTS First & Second Rounds Dec. 3-4 at University Park, Pa. Baylor def. Temple 3-1 (11-15, 16-14, 15-7, 15-12) Penn State def. Baylor 3-0 (15-2, 15-6, 15-10) Dec. 2-3 at Austin, Texas Texas def. Houston 3-0 (15-6, 15-7, 15-10) Arizona def. Texas 3-0 (15-8, 15-6, 15-7) Dec. 2-3 at Lincoln, Neb. Nebraska def. Davidson 3-0 (15-3, 15-5, 15-3) Nebraska def. San Diego 3-0 (15-12, 15-8, 15-9) Dec. 2-3 at Honolulu, Hawaii Utah def. Colorado 3-0 (15-10, 15-6, 17-15) Dec. 2-3 at College Station, Texas Texas A&M def. Stephen F. Austin 3-0 (15-4, 15-7, 15-1) Texas A&M def. North Carolina 3-0 (15-8, 15-4, 15-8) Dec. 2-3 at Fort Collins, Colo. Kansas State def. Louisville 3-0 (15-1, 15-6, 15-10) Colorado State def. Kansas State 3-1 (15-12, 8-15, 15-13, 15-10)"}, {"response": 12, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (15:02)", "body": "1999 BIG 12 VOLLEYBALL STANDINGS (Through 12/7/99) # NCAA Tournament participant # Nebraska # Texas A&M # Texas # Kansas State # Baylor # Colorado Kansas Texas Tech Missouri Oklahoma Iowa State Hawaii already has the WAC championship won as Penn State has in the Big 10."}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (15:12)", "body": ""}, {"response": 14, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 1999 (15:16)", "body": "http://www.cvu.com/wu/ncaad199.shtml Shows the team standings in each conference but it did not post well - so I scribbled it."}, {"response": 15, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (20:40)", "body": "Tomorrow Penn State Lady Lions plays Stanford Lady Cardinal for the NCAA Volleyball Championship in Honolulu at the UH main campus...and we don't get ESPN2. Hmmm... December 18, 1999 Final Four matches played at Stan Sheriff Center, Honolulu, HI. Penn State (35-1) vs. Stanford (31-2), 5 p.m. HST (ESPN2 Tape Delay 12/19, 11 am, PT) December 16, 1999 Final Four matches played at Stan Sheriff Center, Honolulu, HI. Penn State (35-1) def. Pacific (32-3) 14-16, 15-5, 15-6, 7-15, 15-12. (ESPN2 Tape Delay 12/17, 10 a.m., PST) Stanford (31-2) def. Long Beach State (31-4) 15-10, 15-10, 15-3. (ESPN2 Tape Delay 12/17, 10 pm, PT)."}, {"response": 16, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec 18, 1999 (19:24)", "body": "From today's Honolulu Star-Bulletin: TV or not TV is the question Some think volleyball should change for television; others like the game the way it is By Cindy Luis Star-Bulletin Volleyball, volleyball, wherefore art thou, volleyball? Deny thy roots and refuse thy game. What's in a name? That which we call volleyball by any other name still won't be shown on television. With apologies to The Bard ... The two houses in volleyball are feuding. There's been talk of a let serve, a two-point play for hitting behind the 10-meter line, the use of a tri-color ball a la the defunct ABA. The FIVB, the international organization, has already jumped to a new system, complete with rally scoring through the entire match and the use of a libero, a roving defensive specialist. The U.S. collegiate game is governed by the American Volleyball Coaches Association, which is holding its annual convention in Waikiki. The AVCA has been slower to make wholesale changes but has tinkered with various elements of the game, including experimenting with three formats using timed rally scoring just this past spring. TODAY'S TITLE CLASH No. 1 Penn State is in the championship match for the third year in a row. The Nittany Lions have lost in the two previous finals in five games, including the 1997 title match to Stanford. No. 2 Stanford is going for its fifth title in 1990s Game time: 5 p.m. at the Stan Sheriff Center. Most of the changes are designed to make the sport more marketable and attractive to television. But what it has done is begun to alienate a solid fan base in pursuit of some vague ratings number. \"I'm concerned about the next few years,'' said Stanford women's coach Don Shaw, whose team plays for the national title today at the Stan Sheriff Center. \"I like the sport the way it is, but then I'm a purist. I played volleyball (collegiately in the 1970s) when it was more of a counterculture thing and it was a nice little world we had. \"When it does grow bigger, I hope it stays as close to the original game. I don't know if TV is the determining factor but I hate to see the game change drastically for a spot on TV.'' Hawaii has shown that volleyball done right on television is a marketable commodity. However, not many places have a captive audience, one without a major pro team, and one with grassroots love of the game firmly entrenched. A prime example is this week's final four. ESPN2 will air it sometime next week, cut into 90-minute packages that fit a time slot. \"Until the ratings get better, you're not going to get these matches live nationally,'' said Chris Marlowe, here to do ESPN's coverage this week. \"Of course, I would prefer to see the matches live but, at this point in time, the networks don't seem to believe in volleyball as much as the aficionados do. \"There's not a number of big sponsors saying 'We want to see it live and we'll pay for it.' \"KFVE has done a great job in Hawaii but they've also done a lot of games (since 1986). And the Wahine and Rainbows have also been good products to sell.'' Dave Shoji doesn't agree. \"I don't think our state is all that different,'' said Shoji, who just completed his 25th season as the Hawaii women's coach. \"People who like volleyball will watch. Why risk the integrity of the game? \"With different philosophies dictating the international and collegiate games, it's been difficult to keep the game uniform. The FIVB seems to change the rules at a whim and are too quick to jump while, at the collegiate level, we're too slow.'' What is beginning to happen is the international powers are seeing that change is not all that good. Some of the rally scoring variations have turned matches into routs lasting less than an hour. \"I think before you can figure out the rules, you have to figure out which game you're going to play,'' said former Wahine All-American Deitre Collins, the head coach at UNLV. \"Some of the international rule changes are interesting but now you see the FIVB not too happy with it. Some of the changes were made for television but if it's going to end up being tape-delay, I'm not going to be gung ho about it unless there's a real reason to do it.'' Collins pointed to the more liberal contact allowed on the serve-receive as one point of confusion. \"When I played (in the 1980s), serve-receive is a skill you really had to learn. The crowd now doesn't understand the rules because they keep changing.'' What's good for the international game may not be good for the domestic game. And what's good for the men's collegiate game may not work at the women's level. The men's game has become more of a power, sideout game. Rally scoring works, as does the libero. \"I think rally score is a pretty good way to play the men's game,'' said UC I rvine men's coach Charlie Brande, a former Wahine assistant. \"And the libero brings the little guy back into game. \"I like the let serve in a rally score game. As it is, rally scoring takes away the jump serve. If you miss (the jumper) then it's r"}, {"response": 17, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Dec 18, 1999 (22:30)", "body": "Penn State lady Lions win NCAA Volleyball Championship Penn State beat Stanford in three straight 15 - 2 15 - 10 15 - 7"}, {"response": 18, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Dec 19, 1999 (12:54)", "body": "Saturday, December 18, 1999 - 9:30:48 PM HST Nittany Lions celebrate NCAA title Penn State pounds Stanford to win its first national championship By Cindy Luis Star-Bulletin Happy Valley is an even happier place tonight. The Penn State women's volleyball team broke through for its first NCAA title tonight when the top-ranked Nittany Lions hammered No. 2 Stanford, 15-2, 15-10, 15-7, in front of 7,578 (10,252 tickets) at the Stan Sheriff Center. The blowout took 80 minutes, the shortest final in the 19 years of the tournament. It eclipsed the previous mark of 91 minutes set when Stanford swept Hawaii for the 1996 championship in Cleveland. \"There was a lot of passion on our side of the court tonight,'' said Penn State coach Russ Rose, whose team had lost the last two title matches in five sets. \"It feels great. I was reminded before the match that I could become the first coach to lose in three consecutive title games. That's one club I didn't want to join.'' What Penn State (36-1) did join was the list of teams that have won the championship in straight sets (now at seven). The Nittany Lions also are the first team east of the Mississippi to win a Division I volleyball title, joining Hawaii, Nebraska and Texas as the only non-California schools to earn a banner. The 19 points scored by Stanford (31-3) was the third-lowest in tournament history, behind Hawaii's 15 points in 1996 and Nebraska's 18 points in the 1989 final, was also played in Honolulu. \"Our past finishes motivated me,'' said Penn State senior All-American setter Bonnie Bremner. \"I think the difference this year was we didn't peak at the beginning,'' added senior All-American Lauren Cacciamani, who had match highs of 20 kills and eight blocks en route to being named the final four's most valuable player. \"We lost our first match so we knew we could not have an undefeated season. I think we got better as the year went on and it was a uphill progression.'' Penn State jumped out to an 8-0 lead in Game 1 and it was all downhill for Stanford after that. The Cardinal (31-3) was in negative hitting numbers until early in Game 3 and finished the match hitting negative .008 as a team. \"I think that's the first time we've ever been in negative numbers since maybe the early days of the program,'' said Stanford coach Don Shaw, failing in his attempt for a fifth title in the 1990s. \"The only thing we did better tonight was we have three more digs than them. \"We've never been blown out like this. We never had a chance. Now I know how Hawaii felt when we beat them in 1996.'' Stanford threatened once. In Game 3, three Penn State hitting errors helped the Cardinal to close to 7-6. \"We've had teams come back on us before,'' said Cacciamani. \"I think at that point I told my teammates, 'Do it now.' \"We had to push away. We did and we were in control.'' Penn State applied the pressure, outscoring a stunned Stanford team with an 8-1 run. Cacciamani served for the final four points. Joining Cacciamani and Bremner on the all-tournament team were teammate Carrie Schonveld (nine kills and 10 digs); Stanford's Kerri Walsh and Logan Tom and Elsa Stegemann of Pacific. Walsh, who shared national player of the year honors with Cacciamani, led Stanford with 11 kills but hit .000. Tom had 15 digs and six blocks but was held to seven kills in hitting negative .097. Penn State was undefeated last season until losing in the final to Long Beach State in five. The Nittany Lions opened this year with a five-set loss to Florida. Penn State is 104-4 over the past three seasons."}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (08:45)", "body": "I wonder what year Texas won that banner?"}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (08:46)", "body": "You know who's a huge volleyball fan? Forrest Stroud who does the reviews in our apps conference. He has a little corner of his website devoted to college volleyball, or used to anyway."}, {"response": 21, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (14:21)", "body": "Gotta go check that. Good for him! I am still waiting to see anything mentioned on ESPN or CNN. Nothing!!! According to http://www.TexasSports.com/news/vol/wvol/1999/11/30/943986436496.html UT won their first and only NCAA Volleyball Championship in 1988"}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (08:56)", "body": "This includes both mens and womens teams?"}, {"response": 23, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (12:21)", "body": "Just women's teams. Men's season begins after the New Year."}, {"response": 24, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Aug 23, 2000 (22:20)", "body": "Hawaiian Style Classic Hilo, Hawai`i August 31- September 2, 2000 Brigham Young University-Hawaii, Hawaii Pacific University, University of Hawaii at Hilo, Chaminade University, Northwood University, Cal State Dominguez Hills, Texas A&M(Commerce) Meanwhile Penn State is at UTexas Tournament the same weekend!"}, {"response": 25, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Aug 24, 2000 (00:28)", "body": "(I was gonna make some flippant remark about Texas being so big that each department at Aggieland U had its own team...but...) sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 51, "subject": "College Baseball / Softball", "response_count": 26, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Feb  3, 2000 (21:38)", "body": "2000 Collegiate Baseball Division I Preseason Poll The 2000 Collegiate Baseball Division I Preseason Top 40 poll, with 1999 record and total points: TEAM PTS ---- --- 1. Stanford (50-15) 480 2. Cal St. Fullerton (50-14) 477 3. Alabama (53-16) 474 4. UCLA (31-31) 470 5. Miami Fla. (50-13) 469 6. Florida St. (57-14) 467 7. Rice (59-15) 463 8. LSU (41-24-1) 460 9. Georgia Tech (38-20) 459 10. Houston (40-24) 455 11. Clemson (42-27) 452 12. Texas (36-26) 450 13. Tulane (48-17) 447 14. Wichita St (59-14) 442 15. Southern California (36-26) 439 16. Baylor (50-15) 438 17. Auburn (46-19) 435 18. Texas Tech (42-17) 433 19. Arizona (33-23) 430 20. North Carolina (41-18) 426 21. Texas A&M (52-18) 425 22. Long Beach St (35-25) 422 23. Oklahoma St (46-21) 419 24. Florida (31-25) 415 25. Notre Dame (43-18) 413 26. Pepperdine (46-16) 410 27. Minnesota (46-18) 406 28. Arizona St (39-21) 403 29. South Alabama (39-20) 398 30. Oral Roberts (46-15) 396 31. Wake Forest (47-16) 394 32. Arkansas (42-23) 390 33. Nevada (38-20) 388 34. South Carolina (35-23) 385 35. Illinois (34-22) 381 36. Florida Atlantic (54-9) 379 37. Ohio St (50-14) 373 38. California (27-31) 370 39. Nebraska (42-18) 365 40. Mississippi (34-28) 362"}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Feb  3, 2000 (21:44)", "body": "You will notice that there is no Penn State, no Hawaii, no UHHilo OOps...I missed emboldening 6. Florida State They are going to televise locally the Games UHHilo plays against Rice 3/10 game time 6 pm CDT, and TCU 3/18 at 1pm CDT I shall let you know more when I know more."}, {"response": 3, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (05:35)", "body": "Wow, Cal is 38th with a losing record, glad to see the Horns getting back to their former baseball glory. I have never made it over to Disch Faulk field, I'll have to catch a game sometime. I wonder what this year's schedule is like? Auggie Garido, couch of the Horns, is a good buddy with Kevin Costner and attended the world premiere of Costner's new baseball movie recently."}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (18:00)", "body": "I shall post it for you, Terry! I hope you don't mind my creating this while you were so busy elsewhere! John Burnett and I have been discussing our UHHilo upcoming baseball games against the likes of Tennessee, Rice and TCU. I considered just their being on the same field as our little team would be more than daunting. His comments follow: Most of the best baseball programs come from warm-weather climates. The best cold weather team in the country is Wichita State, despite their despicable, win at ALL costs coach, Gene Stephenson, who sanctioned his pitcher beaning that unfortunate fool in the on-deck circle who dared to try to \"time pitches\" while warming up for his turn at bat. The name of the pitcher (it just came to me) is Ben Christensen. It has been joked that going to the Cubs is his punishment for the bulleye on Molina's face, but intentionally maiming another human being who has done nothing to you is, of course, not a joking manner. Mr. Christensen, Mr. Stephenson, and the Wichita St. pitching coach, who Christensen said told him to throw the ball at Molina (although he probably meant when Molina was at bat, which is bad enough), should all do at least five years for felonious battery (bad baseball pun) and accessory to it. It took me a while to find it (thanks Terry and google.com). I found a lot of glowing PR crap about Christensen, Stephenson, and pitching coach Brent Kemnitz--that's the real miscreant's name. Not a single mention of the beaning in the Wichita State baseball website. I only found it through a boxscore that mentioned the ejection. It happened April 23, 1999 while Christensen was taking his PRE-GAME warmups. He was tossed prior to the game and was suspended for the rest of the season. He already had a 9-1 record...many teams who had wanted him passed on him, but my desperate Cubbies snapped him up with the 26th pick in the first round. With my Cubbies record of not being able to pick them, either he will languish in the minors, or they will give up on him, trade him, and then he will become a huge star for somebody else, probably the hated St. Louis Cardinals (see Lou Brock). Click on link below. There is more and I will send them. http://www.jerkoftheweek.com/baseball/jerks/ben_christensen.html"}, {"response": 5, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (18:05)", "body": "More about the Christenses-Stephenson-Kemnitz beaning affair: Armed with the 15th and 22nd picks in the first round of last week's amateur draft, the team decided to add as much quality pitching as possible. The White Sox did take a long look at Wichita State's Ben Christensen, but they took a pass on the controversial righthander. In an April 23 game against Evansville, Christensen beaned Anthony Molina in the left eye with a warmup itch and was immediately suspended. The cross-town Cubs wound up taking Christensen with the 26th pick of the first round and they've been taking heat ever since. General manager Ron Schueler said the team liked its first two picks, righthanded pitchers Jason Stumm and Matt Ginter, better than Christensen, but don't be fooled. After employing problematic players like Albert Belle, Wil Cordero and Tony Phillips and having a boob like Terry Bevington as manager in recent years, the team wanted no part of the negative baggage Christensen is carrying."}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (18:11)", "body": "And, for the what-goes-around-comes-around story, John says,\"You'll love this link. And note who nominated Christensen.\" http://members.tripod.com/kepshire/hos/college_baseball.html"}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (18:19)", "body": "Here is the heart-breaker: Evansville Player Not Ready to Forgive Pitcher for Beaning Christensen said he threw near Molina to keep him from timing pitches June 11, 1999 Associated Press EVANSVILLE, Ind. - Anthony Molina still doesn't know whether he'll play baseball again, or whether he can forgive the person responsible for his situation. Molina, a University of Evansville junior, sustained fractures to three bones around his left eye when he was struck in the face by a pitch as he waited about 30 feet away from home plate before a game against Wichita State seven weeks ago. Pitcher Ben Christensen, a first-round draft pick by the Chicago Cubs, said he threw toward Molina to keep him from timing pitches while on deck, but that he never intended to hit him. Christensen sent Molina a letter of apology last week. \"He said he hopes I get better and like any other opponent, he has the greatest respect for me. But my thought is that if you respect somebody, you're not going to do what he did,\" said Molina, who has two blind spots in the eye. As for whether he's ready to accept the apology, he said, \"Not now, no. I don't know if I ever will be.\" Molina, who lives in Moline, Ill., returned to Evansville this week to take the final exams he missed because of the beaning on April 23. The biggest test will come after his scheduled eye surgery on June 22. \"When my vision improved to 20/80 from 20/125, that made me optimistic,\" Molina told the Evansville Courier & Press. \"But doctors still can't give me any guarantees that the surgery will fix things. I've lost 20 pounds because of some of the medication I've been on. I know there's a long way to go. \"I'm not looking for the attention,\" Molina added. \"But at the same time, this incident in itself deserves to be publicized. So many people have told me that it's the worst thing they've ever seen in sports, even worse than Mike Tyson biting Evander Holyfield's ear.\" (I agree. You at least expect violent behavior in boxing. J.B.) Christensen, considered one of the nation's top prospects before the season started and 21-1 in his three-year career with the Shockers, was suspended by the Missouri Valley Conference for the rest of the season after the beaning. An appeal of the suspension was denied by the conference and the NCAA. (Can you believe the gall of Stephenson, Kemnitz--who was also suspended for a year--and Wichita State for even filing an appeal? J.B.) He was allowed to practice with the team and work out for pro scouts, however, and the Cubs last week drafted the junior right-hander in the first round, the 26th overall pick. Christensen has declined to comment on the beaning. \"I've told people all along, I can't really tell my side of the story yet because of a possible lawsuit,\" Christensen said after the draft. \"So everybody's hearing kind of a one-sided story. That's expected. ... People have a right to their opinion. But I don't want anybody to think I did it intentionally.\" Molina has started working out again and swings a bat once in a while. He also watches baseball on television. \"I knew he was going to get drafted,\" Molina said of Christensen. \"Once you get to the professional level, none of that stuff matters. You look at pro sports and some of the things they've got going on, and you can see that. When you get to that level, you're a commodity, not a person. \"The worst thing is that he can still play whenever he feels like it, and I can't,\" he said. \"It's frustrating, but I've just accepted that this is how it has to be for a while. ...I still wonder sometimes how someone could do this to another person. You wouldn't do it to an animal, so how do you do it to a person? It is still unbelievable to me.\" ______________________________________________________"}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (18:25)", "body": "When I asked John for permission to post all of this he replied with a splendid little item which wraps up the entire incident and brings it back on-topic: Sure, but understand that Christensen is gone...now with Cubs organization. Kemnitz is supposed to be suspended for a year, but his picture and sanitized (glowing actually) bio is on the Shockers Baseball website, calling him one of the \"most respected\" pitching coaches in the collegiate ranks. By whom? Opthamologists? Wichita State has the best won-loss record in baseball since 1978 (Stephenson's first year) and has 40 All-Americans named since that time (including Christensen). It is the most successful cold weather baseball program ever, and the most successful baseball program period over the last 20 seasons. They won the NCAA national championship in 1989. UHH beat them in their last game last season however, in Kona. It was the only game in the series we won. Stephenson, like Bobby Knight, is basically untouchable. Jerk that he is, Knight does not order his players to injure others as Kemnitz, and by way of tacit approval, Stephenson, did."}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (18:26)", "body": "John's final rhetorical comment: Stephenson was not punished at all and is still coaching. Kemnitz, who was supposed to be suspended for a year is listed as the pitching coach on the WSU Baseball website. I guess it was just the remainder of the last season, same as Christensen. Christensen is a millionaire. Doesn't seem right, does it?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb  4, 2000 (21:52)", "body": "John: The NCAA has no power to fire coaches. Some coaches are too clever for them, even though they try to destroy them otherwise (Tarkanian, Knight, Jimmy Johnson while at U. of Miami, Stephenson, Barry Switzer--funny the Dallas Cowboys hired two of those criminals). And, of course, Stephenson denied it. The kid who threw the pitch was banned for life from college competition (the Chicago Cubs drafted him in the first round and made him a millionaire--for the life of me, I can't remember the asshole's name, even though it is my team that made him rich--I'm sure if I go to one of many Cubs' websites, my memory will be refreshed)...the kid who was beaned, Anthony (I think) Molina of Evansville U., will never play ball again. His eyesight is only partially recovered and his facial bones were shattered. His lawsuit against the kid, and Wichita State has not been settled or gone to court as of yet. The incident happened about two years ago. It's bad enough to throw at someone who is in the batter's box and is expecting a pitch. But Molina was in the on-deck circle on one knee and was totally defenseless. *************** Marcia's comment: I posted this just as he sent it. He cares passionately about Baseball and anything which sullies its reputation wounds him deeply. I am proud of his commitment to the honor and integrity of all sports!"}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (17:41)", "body": "USA Today Baseball Weekly/ESPN College Coaches Top 25 Poll The USA Today Baseball Weekly/ESPN Top 25 College Coaches Poll, with first-place votes in parentheses and records, as selected by 40 Division I head baseball coaches representing the American Baseball Coaches Association (ABCA): (Records through February 13) TEAM PTS PVS ---- --- --- 1. Florida St (30) (7-2) 1,024 5 2. Stanford (4) (6-3) 974 1 3. Alabama (2) (2-1) 933 3 4. LSU (4) (3-0) 897 16 5. UCLA (2) (6-1) 826 10 6. Georgia Tech (2-0) 741 8 7. Auburn (1) (7-0) 727 13 8. Houston (5-2) 641 9 9. Cal St Fullerton (2-4) 591 2 10. Miami Fla. (4-5) 554 4 11. Texas (7-2) 552 17 12. Wichita St (0-0) 500 12 13. Arizona St (11-2) 480 22 14. North Carolina (6-0) 474 NR 15. Southern California (5-3) 471 11 16. Texas Tech (6-2) 467 20 17. Baylor (4-2) 438 14 18. Clemson (2-1) 399 15 19. Florida (5-3) 370 18 20. Tulane (2-1) 331 16 21. Rice (3-4) 255 7 22. South Carolina (5-0) 232 NR 23. Central Fla (5-2) 224 NR 24. Long Beach St (3-3) 102 23 25. Florida Int'l (8-0) 96 NR Dropped Out: No. 19 Texas A&M , No. 21 Arizona, No. 24 Wake Forest, No. 25 Oklahoma St. Others Receiving Votes: Nevada 82, Notre Dame 65, Loyola Marymount 65, Fresno St 60, Wake Forest 49, Arkansas 48, Arizona 42, Oklahoma St 31, Ohio St 27, Minnesota 26, Jacksonville 25, Lamar 24, Tennessee 21, East Carolina 19, Mississippi St 15, Va Commonwealth 13, Kentucky 12, Texas A&M 9, Ball St 9, Southwestern La 7, Rutgers 6, North Carolina St 5, Citadel 5, South Alabama 3, Michigan 3, Mississippi 2, Illinois 2, UNC Greensboro 1."}, {"response": 12, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (07:26)", "body": "ly, or a loss by Miami, FL. They had a no hitter at the Dish last week, and I drove right by the stadium during the 2nd inning."}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (11:51)", "body": "They are HOT! And have quite a competition going with the Rainbow Wahine of Manoa UH."}, {"response": 14, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (14:15)", "body": "You can listen to college ball today on boradcast.com - What's On Today - Arkansas vs. Washington St. - 1 pm ET UALR vs. Missouri - 1:45 pm ET Baylor at TCU - 3 pm ET Oklahoma vs. Sam Houston St. - 4 pm ET Arizona at Texas A&M - 4 pm ET New Orleans at Alabama - 4:55 pm ET Cal at Pepperdine - 5 pm ET South Florida at Miami - 6:45 pm ET Mid. Tenn. St. at SE Louisiana - 7:30 pm ET North Carolina at UCLA - 8 pm ET Texas at Stanford - 9 pm ET UNLV at Cal St.-Fullerton - 10 pm ET Oregon St. at Fresno St. - 10 pm ET Santa Clara at Hawaii - 11:20 pm ET"}, {"response": 15, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Apr 15, 2000 (00:07)", "body": "Our Men's Baseball team is now in Texas playing TCU TCU WINS SERIES OPENER Fort Worth, Texas \ufffd Mark Hamilton continued to chew up University of Hawaii at Hilo pitching in leading Texas Christian to a 11-5 victory in the first of three Western Athletic Conference baseball games between the teams. Hamilton went 4 for 4 with a triple and a homerun to drive in five runs. On the year, the senior first baseman is batting .416 but .526 against the Vulcans. He is 10 of 19 with a double, two triples, two home runs and 10 RBI. The Horned Frogs (15-25, 6-9) got off to a 5-0 lead before the Vulcans (14-24, 5-14) responded with two runs in the seventh. Dana McCracken's triple drove in two. But the Frogs responded with six runs on seven hits in their half. The Vulcans came back in the eighth to post three runs on six hits. Besides Hamilton, Levi Groomer and Brad Rogers collected multiple hits against the Vulcans. Jake Ryan and Mike Hobbs led the Vulcans with a pair of hits each. Score by innings: R H E ---------------------------------------------- Hawaii Hilo 000 000 230 - 5 9 0 TCU 103 010 60 - 11 13 0 ----------------------------------------------"}, {"response": 16, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Apr 15, 2000 (00:10)", "body": "We won on of the three games agains Rice University. Did anyone go up to watch us win in Texas?! Hilo, Hawaii \ufffd When Brian Rooke gets on base, the opposing pitcher becomes nervous, infielders antsy, and coaches begin to cringe. \ufffdThey know I\ufffdm going to steal but they just don\ufffdt know when,\ufffd Rooke said. \ufffdThey\ufffdre kind of waiting for it. But I need to be smart when I do it to put pressure on the opposing team.\ufffd As the University of Hawaii at Hilo baseball team\ufffds lead off batter, the junior from Santa Monica, Calif., has been wrecking havoc on the base path with a Western Athletic Conference leading 19 stolen bases. \ufffdHe\ufffds our catalyst,\ufffd UHH baseball coach Joey Estrella said. \ufffdHe\ufffds the guy who gets our team going. The more times he\ufffds on base, the more runs we score.\ufffd Rooke wasn\ufffdt highly recruited out of junior college or high school. Admittedly, he say\ufffds he wasn\ufffdt a very good high school player and joined the El Camino Junior College team as a walk on. There he earned all-league honors as freshman batting .328 and as a sophomore batting .338 with 25 stolen bases. Despite offers from NAIA and NCAA Division II programs, Rooke had his heart set on playing Division I. \ufffdI saw my coach just before signing to play in New Mexico,\ufffd Rooke said. \ufffdHe was on the phone with coach [Estrella] just then. I heard he was looking for infielder/pitchers but by the end of the day I signed with him.\ufffd Blessed with good speed, quickness and a very good first step, things you look for in a base stealer, Rooke is fast approaching the Vulcan season record for stolen bases. Vulcan volunteer coach Ken Morimoto set that mark of 25 in 1995. \ufffdYou get a feel for certain things,\ufffd Rooke explained. \ufffdYou get an understanding of pitchers tendency. You get a count where it\ufffds usually an off-speed count. And if I have [Brandon] Chaves hitting behind me, people know he hits fast balls well so he gets a lot of off-speed pitches. Knowing that, I\ufffdm going to run.\ufffd Having Chaves hitting behind Rooke has already made its mark on the Vulcan\ufffds victory list. With the game knotted at six all in the ninth against Rice University (March 10), Rooke singled. Chaves came up to bat and Rooke stole second on the first pitch. Two pitches later with a 2-1 count, Rooke broke for third just a Chaves punched a shot into center field. Rooke stumbled before stepping on third base and raced home for the game winner. \ufffdI was expecting an off-speed pitch and just went,\ufffd Rooke said. \ufffdI knew I had a better chance of scoring from third than second.\ufffd Estrella, who was dumb-founded by Rooke\ufffds decision but pleased with the result, recognized Rooke\ufffds base stealing talent early and has given him the green light. \ufffdHe goes a lot on instinct,\ufffd Estrella said. \ufffdReading pitchers is an acquired talent. He basically goes on instinct and has been very successful.\ufffd Against the University of San Diego, Rooke came within a slide of stealing home. He caught everybody by surprise including the batter and Estrella. As he raced down the line, Rooke began yelling \ufffdKill, Kill, Kill\ufffd. \ufffdIt\ufffds just a natural reaction,\ufffd Rooke said. \ufffdI stole home a couple of times in junior college and that was the key to let people know don\ufffdt swing so I don\ufffdt kill myself by getting a ball in my face.\ufffd He didn\ufffdt steal home but did score as Shaye Miura put down a bunt behind the oncoming Rooke. Being a base stealer, Rooke has also had his share of injuries. So far, he has had a groin pull, a spiked hand and a dislocated finger. But none of those has kept him out of the line up for very long. \ufffdI\ufffdm learning more and more everyday,\ufffd Rooke said. \ufffdTrying to find as many keys and clues and hints possible.\ufffd Along with his base stealing skills, Rooke has brought along an attitude and desire that Estrella continually looks for in his ball players. \ufffdHe\ufffds aggressive, hustles and into the game all the time,\ufffd Estrella said. \ufffdHe just plays all out. He adds an aspect to the outfield that we sorely missed last year. He has the ability to read the ball well and get a good jump, and covers a lot more ground that people we\ufffdve had in the past. All that plus a better than average arm.\ufffd The Vulcans (13-21, 4-11) are on the road with three-game series at Rice University (17-17, 6-8), April 8-10, and Texas Christian University (13-21, 4-7), April 13-15."}, {"response": 17, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (16:53)", "body": "DIVISION I BASEBALL AMERICA'S TOP 25 - April 17, 2000 Team W-L Last Week Previous 1. South Carolina 36-4 4-0 2 2. Florida State 37-7 2-2 1 3. Arizona State 33-9 3-0 4 4. Stanford 29-9 4-0 5 5. Texas 33-9 1-2 3 6. Louisiana State 29-11 3-1 6 7. Baylor 31-11 3-0 9 8. Georgia Tech 31-8 5-0 13 9. Clemson 31-9 3-2 7 10. Auburn 34-10 4-0 14 11. Wake Forest 32-11 3-2 12 12. North Carolina 33-9 5-0 15 13. Houston 26-13 2-2 10 14. Miami 26-13 2-1 20 15. Mississippi State 26-9 2-1 16 16. Rutgers 27-11 5-1 21 17. Louisiana-Lafayette 30-8 0-4 8 18. Fresno State 29-11 2-1 18 19. Nebraska 26-11 4-0 NR 20. Long Beach State 25-13 2-2 22 21. UCLA 24-15 2-2 17 22. Cal State Fullerton 22-13 1-3 11 23. Wichita State 25-10 5-1 NR 24. East Carolina 32-10 3-2 23 25. Illinois 27-11 4-2 NR Dropped Out: Southern California (No. 19), Tulane (No. 24), Florida Atlantic (No. 25)."}, {"response": 18, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (16:54)", "body": "Note that number 18 is the one who just clobbered us two in a row but we managed to beat in extra innings yesterday - Fresno State Yippee!!!!"}, {"response": 19, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (08:07)", "body": "Wow Florida State is developing into an all around powerhouse in basketball, football and baseball. Stanford is usually up there."}, {"response": 20, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (13:59)", "body": "Yes, and I am working at getting a 'nole fan and alum to get her okole in here and post...*sigh* She is justifiably proud of the athletics at FSU."}, {"response": 21, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (13:59)", "body": "Um....Texas is not bad, either, come to think about it..."}, {"response": 22, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (17:44)", "body": "Hope springs eternal around here, anyway."}, {"response": 23, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (23:08)", "body": "At least you stand to do the ultimate hat trick for college sports - being champions in three sports. Don't think Penn State will in my life time, and for sure UHHilo won't...*sigh* However, I am also a eternal optimist, so it springs eternal here, as well."}, {"response": 24, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Apr 25, 2000 (06:58)", "body": "The Horns are at a crucial junction in their baseball season, they're riding high in the standings but they've lost their last two series. So winning or losing now will be the test of whether they're a great team or not. Let's see if they can come back."}, {"response": 25, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Apr 25, 2000 (13:17)", "body": "Rice is doing well, I see. I guess the only reason we beat them is because we were playing better than we can and they were not playing up to their usual standards. Just like our Fresno State win. We finish off the season with local teams of strength - Hawaii Pacific University and our Big Brothers at U of Hawaii Manoa (the 'main' campus)"}, {"response": 26, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, May  5, 2000 (19:44)", "body": "* S I G H * Vulcans ousted by WAC. Honolulu Star-Bulletin The Western Athletic Conference athletic directors voted last weekend in Monterey, Calif., to end the University of Hawaii-Hilo's baseball affiliation with the league following the 2001 season. The conference athletic directors admitted the Vulcans last year so the league would have six teams, the minimum necessary to receive an automatic bid to the NCAA baseball tournament. \"The coaches took a vote and only two coaches supported keeping Hilo in the conference,\" said University of Hawaii athletic director Hugh Yoshida, the only AD to vote for the Vulcans. \"The only coaches who voted for Hilo were us and Fresno State,\" said UH baseball coach Les Murakami. \"The considerations looked at were time away from school and the cost issue,\" Yoshida said. \"They felt being here for eight to 10 days was too long and with Nevada (2001) and Louisiana Tech (2002) coming in, they wanted to shorten that window. \"The power rating also was a consideration.\" \"It kind of changes our recruiting a little bit,\" said UHH head coach Joey Estrella. \"We'll look at other options. I think it's a positive for us to be in a conference. \"The vote does not surprise me. I had a feeling once Louisiana Tech came in it was going to be a problem. Already, with Nevada coming in, the conference office has a hard time putting a schedule together for next year.\" \"I'm not surprised, especially after going to Texas. They were complaining about the length of time and the cost. Hey, what about us (when we travel),\" said Murakami. \"And, probably their one venture (this season) wasn't successful. They think they're going to win every time.\" The Vulcans won two of the three WAC home games against Texas Christian, one from Rice and Fresno State and lost all three games to San Jose State. The Vulcans (16-29, 6-18 WAC) host UH in 6 p.m. games Friday and Saturday at Wong Stadium and 1 p.m. Sunday at Simmons Field in Kona. http://uhathletics.hawaii.edu sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 52, "subject": "Lance Armstrong and bicycling as a sport", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (07:42)", "body": "I see Lance is the poster boy for light rail in Austin now. It's not a popular cause. It will be interesting to see what the voters say? Anyone here have light rail in their cities?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (19:08)", "body": "No, but it is being considered for Honolulu... That finite island is a nightmare of monumental traffic proportions."}, {"response": 3, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Fri, Nov 17, 2000 (11:48)", "body": "Is 'light rail' commuter and subway trains? If so... Boston MBTA Commuter (AMTRAK) allows bikes to roll on during no-peak times. I hear some of the subway lines allow it (though the GREEN line is not one of them). In NYC you can tak your bike on the subway anytime you can get it to fit. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 53, "subject": "Olympic Games 2008 Beijing", "response_count": 19, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Aug 24, 2001 (01:51)", "body": "*FROWN* I wanted Toronto to get it!!!"}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Aug 24, 2001 (01:53)", "body": "I hope we send a lot of extracurricular people over there to snoop since we have to be in China anyway."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 24, 2001 (08:12)", "body": "I wanted Toronto to get it too, I had a decent chance of attending a Toronto Olympics, I'll have to strike it rich next year in order to foot the bill on an Olympic excursion. Are the games in 2004 or 2008? Do I need to change the title of this topic. You know, Marci, with my superpowers I can make topic titles magically change? I'm seriously thinking of doing that to College Football 99, making it College Football 2001 or something more up to date."}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 12, 2001 (23:13)", "body": "I'd rather think of the Athens games and Utah winter games soon to begin after the new year."}, {"response": 5, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct 12, 2001 (23:16)", "body": "Terry, our Vi-wielding super-cyber-man. I know you can fix and change anything, and thank goodness for your expertise....and William's. You've saved me a few times. I'm learning! Logic, my son tells me. It's all logic!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 22, 2002 (20:34)", "body": "If you'd like a real good bunch of posts, create Athens Olympics 2004 or I will try to do so."}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 22, 2002 (20:38)", "body": "Terry please create this topic I tried and was unsuccessful. Subject: Athens Olympics 2004 Text: The Summer Games of 2004 will be played in the home of the Olympics, Athens, Greece. Come here to keep up with the developments. Only 900+ days until the opening ceremonies."}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Feb 25, 2002 (10:50)", "body": "I created it!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Feb 25, 2002 (12:35)", "body": "Thanks, Terry. I have already written on it. I am subscribing to email news of the progress of preparations for the Athens Olympics, so there will be much to talk about."}, {"response": 10, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (08:28)", "body": "Hi all IOC politics and organisation was responsible for Beijing getting it. The weighting system to determine who gets the games rests partially on geographic location. Asia had not had the games since the Seoul Olympics in 1988. Note in the list below that North America has had the Olympics 4 times in 40 years. In the intervening years the following regions have had the Olympics: North America (Mexico City), Western Europe (Munich), North America (Montreal), Eastern Europe (Moscow), North America (LA), Asia (Seoul), Western Europe (Barcelona), North America (Atlanta), Oceania (Sydney). I wonder if population pressures have something to do with it as well because Asia has maybe 3 billion people. I do not think Africa can afford to stage an event or if it did it would be overshadowed by corruption and security concerns probably. As for politics: Beijing lost narrowly to Sydney in 1993. I think the vision of tanks in Tiananmen Square was still too powerful for many to contemplate giving China something like the Olympics so soon. Rob"}, {"response": 11, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (22:10)", "body": "We're 3 years closer now. (since the last post)"}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr  2, 2006 (11:16)", "body": "official website: http://en.beijing2008.com/ (BEIJING, March 21, 2006) -- BOCOG and the Beijing Olympic Volunteer Program Coordination Group have established a \"Beijing Olympic Volunteer Slogan Solicitation Office\" and started to solicit volunteer slogans from March 31, 2006. This is aimed to better practice the concepts of \"Green Olympics, High-tech Olympics and People's Olympics\" as well as the ideas of the Beijing Olympic Volunteer Program --\"people-oriented, and serving and contributing to the Olympic Games\", support various volunteer-themed activities, mobilize and call on volunteers to devote themselves enthusiastically to the services of the Olympic Games. Through the creation and solicitation of volunteer slogans, the essential connotations of Olympic volunteer services will be further explored and the spirit and concept of Olympic volunteer services refined, which will be further summarized into a slogan that is brief and easy to remember, reflects the gist of volunteer services and can be accepted by people of various cultural backgrounds. At the same time, this is also a process of publicizing the Beijing Olympic Volunteer Program and building a sound social environment where volunteers are cared about and supported. The Beijing Olympic volunteer slogan should meet the following four requirements: 1. Highly summarizing the concept of Beijing Olympic Volunteer Program -- \"service first and harmony first\" and highlighting the striking features of the times and the Chinese culture throughout the Beijing Olympic Games. 2. Clearly reflecting the idea that \"Volunteers' smiles are the best name card of Beijing\" 3. Carrying international flavor and catering to the world so that people from different countries and regions and of different cultural backgrounds can understand and accept it. The Chinese version and the English one should be equally impressive. 4. Being brief, rhythmic, easy to remember, inspiring and appealing. The deadline of the Solicitation is August 31, 2006. Contributors can send their works by post or e-mail to the following address: Beijing Olympic Volunteer Slogan Solicitation Office Beijing Olympic Tower, 267 Beisihuan Zhonglu, Haidian District, Beijing 100083 E-mail address: zyzkh@bjyouth.net or volunteers@beijing-olympic.org.cn For more information, visit the official website of BOCOG: www.beijing2008.com or call (010)51601208-800, 66691340, 66691350."}, {"response": 13, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Sat, Aug 16, 2008 (19:34)", "body": "Michael Fred Phelps (born June 30, 1985 in Baltimore, Maryland) is an American swimmer who holds world records in several events. Phelps won eight medals (six gold, two bronze) at the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens, which tied the record for most medals at one Olympics, a record set by Alexander Dityatin in 1980. Phelps' international titles, along with his various world records, have resulted in him being named World Swimmer of the Year in 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007 and American Swimmer of the Year in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2007. Phelps has qualified to compete in eight swimming events at the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, and is attempting to beat Mark Spitz's record of seven gold medals at one Olympics, and the lifetime record of nine Olympic golds. As of August 12, 2008, Phelps has won three gold medals in Beijing, all in world record time, and he became one of only five athletes to win nine Olympic gold medals. Michael Phelps was born on June 30, 1985 to Fred (a state trooper) and Debbie (middle-School teacher) Phelps. The family lived in Maryland, just outside of Baltimore. Fred was a good athlete, and passed his ability on to his kids. Michael along with his 2 sisters got into swimming at an early age. One of the turning points for Michael came when he saw swimmers Tom Malchow and Tom Dolan compete at the 1996 Summer Games in Atlanta. The 11-year-old began to dream of becoming a champion himself. He had started his swimming career at Towson?s Loyola High School pool. He met Bob Bowman when he moved on to the North Baltimore Aquatic Club at the Meadowbrook Aquatic and Fitness Center for better facilities and more professional coaching. The coach recognized Michael?s potential immediately. In 1999, Michael earned a spot on the U.S. National B Team. At the Junior Nationals, he broke a record in the 200-meter butterfly for the 20-year-old age group. Michael?s ascent through the U.S. swimming ranks accelerated in 2000. At the Spring Nationals, he finished third in the 200-meter butterfly. At 15, Michael became the youngest swimmer to compete for the U.S. in the Olympics in 68 years. He acquitted himself well, touching the wall in fifth place in the 200-meter butterfly. Michael ended the year ranked 7th in the world in the 200-meter butterfly and 44th in the 400-meter individual medley. Michael entered 2001 poised to take another huge step in his career, and staged his coming out party at the Phillips 66 National Championships that August. First he set a world record in 200-meter butterfly at 1:54.92. Then he captured the gold in the 100-meter butterfly. After winning the 200-meter butterfly at the Pan Pacific Championships, Michael ended his year in style by bettering his own mark in the event a the World Championships in Fukuoka, Japan. The owner of his first international medal, he pushed his world record to 1:54.58. At the 2002 U.S. Nationals in Ft. Lauderdale, he notched four wins?in the 100-meter and 200-meter butterfly and the 200-meter and 400-meter individual medley. His time of 4:11.09 in the 400 established a new world mark. Michael was equally dominant at the Pan Pacific Championships. After golds in the 200-meter and 400-meter individual medley and a silver in the 200-meter butterfly, he helped America?s four-man team to victory in the 400-meter medley in a world-record time of 3:33.48. After graduating from high school in 2003, Michael shifted his focus to the U.S. Spring National Championships. His victories came in the 200-meter freestyle, 200-meter backstroke and 100-meter butterfly. In U.S. Summer Nationals, he became the first man to claim five national titles in a single meet. His victories?in the 100-meter, 200-meter and 400-meter freestyle, 200-meter backstroke and 200-meter individual medley?proved he was more than just a master of the butterfly. Michael Phelps shattered his own world record in Athen by wining the Olympic gold at Men's 400-meter Individual Medley. Michael wants to transform his sport the way other great athletes like Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods have."}, {"response": 14, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Sat, Aug 16, 2008 (19:37)", "body": "It was one of the most exciting moments in Olympic history: Phelps was blissfully unaware that there had been a chance his gold could have turned to silver. As he had stepped onto the podium he bit his bottom lip to prevent a quiver. Earlier in the week he had shed tears, now as his personal campaign neared its denouement \ufffd Spitz's record equalled and only one race remaining \ufffd he held the emotions in check. It was his sisters, in the crowd, along with their mum, who let the rivulets flow. They are the ones who had been watching helplessly, fearing that the affable and admirable American's fairytale would not have its happy ending. It was only afterwards that Phelps got a taste of it himself. \"I watched the pictures, slowed down frame by frame, in the massage area and it was almost too close to see,\" he confessed. \"But I did it. It's the smallest margin of victory in our sport but I did it and it's pretty cool.\" From the start Phelps was down on his rival, who was the only man to have qualified faster than him, and while \ufffd as is almost trademark now \ufffd he made up some time on the turn, he was still chasing. All the way to the final centimetres. \"I chopped the last stroke (putting in a half stroke] and I thought it had cost me the race but it was the opposite. If I had glided in I would have lost. I'm glad it went in my favour. \"It just shows that no matter what you set your imagination to, anything can happen. People said it wasn't possible to equal Spitz's record but when people say things like that it fires me up more than anything. Dream as big as you can because nothing is impossible and it has finally happened.\" About to return home to the kind of money and perks he could only dream of, he laughed when asked if he had thought about that. \"If I was in it for the money I wouldn't have been doing this sport,\" he laughed, aware of how far down the American sporting pecking order swimming features."}, {"response": 15, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Sat, Aug 16, 2008 (19:51)", "body": "excerpt from Time.com article Growing up with two sisters who swam competitively, Phelps was practically raised at the pool. \"The summer he was born was the summer I started swimming,\" says his oldest sister Hilary, 26. \"The poor kid was always getting dragged to the pool.\" His mother Debbie remembers bringing baby Michael along in a carrier and parking him on the pool deck during his sisters' practices. When he was 7, Phelps learned to swim, but it took weeks before he could do anything more than the backstroke. \"I was afraid to put my head underwater,\" he admits. Once he did, his talent surfaced almost immediately. Swimming with the North Baltimore Aquatic Club at age 11, he set a national record for his age group in the 100-m butterfly. That caught the attention of Bob Bowman, then an assistant coach at the club. \"What I noticed about him was that he was fiercely competitive in everything he did, whether it was swimming a race or playing a game at the pool,\" he says. \"He always wanted to win.\" Bowman called Phelps' parents in for a meeting, alerting them to their son's potential, and in 1996 laid out a 15-year plan that would include Phelps' being a part of the 2004, 2008 and 2012 U.S. Olympic teams. \"I'm thinking, This man is crazy,\" Debbie recalls. \"This is my 11-year-old baby, and you're projecting 2012?\" Bowman could see that Phelps was born to swim. Blessed with a sinewy, whiplike body, a long torso and large hands and feet, plus a 6-ft. 7-in. arm span that extends 3 in. beyond his height (the usual ratio is 1 to 1), Phelps has as close to an ideal swimming body as you can get. Like other top swimmers, he doesn't so much power through the water as slide along it, propelled by a vigorous dolphin kick that surges from his head to his toes in a high-amplitude wave."}, {"response": 16, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Sat, Aug 16, 2008 (21:22)", "body": "watching the women's marathon 1:50 in to it and there's one break away runner from Eastern Europe. Can she hold on?"}, {"response": 17, "author": "sandyw", "date": "Sun, Aug 17, 2008 (00:03)", "body": ""}, {"response": 18, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Sun, Aug 17, 2008 (19:42)", "body": "I get a little ticked off when all the media talks about is M.P.. There were six other young men who helped him win two of them but they seemed to be cast aside. I know that what he did is a great thing but he didn't do it alone."}, {"response": 19, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Aug 22, 2008 (21:41)", "body": "Yeah, he 's a bit overhyped. But major c accomplishment nonetheless. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 54, "subject": "Michael Jordan", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct  1, 2001 (15:12)", "body": "WASHINGTON (AP) -- Michael Jordan finally explained his comeback decision in detail Monday, saying his desire to play again was too strong to ignore. \"When I retired last time, I didn't say I was ready to quit the game,\" Jordan said at a news conference attended by about 200 media members. \"It's an itch that still needs to be scratched here, and I don't want that itch to bother me for the rest of my life. \"What I'm trying to do is get that last scratch in.\" Speaking in calm, measured tones on a stage set up at the Wizards' practice court, Jordan touched on several subjects related to this comeback -- the third of his career. He said he is not afraid to fail and does not want to steal the spotlight from the league's younger stars. He also said he considers himself 100 percent fit and plans to play in all 82 of Washington's games. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 55, "subject": "The Home Run Derby, Quest for Babe Ruth, Mark Macguire and Barry Bonds", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  5, 2001 (10:43)", "body": "He celebrates number 70 yesterday, tying Mark McGuires record. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 56, "subject": "badminton", "response_count": 4, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 28, 2001 (10:10)", "body": "The above is from the excellent badminton site maintained by Vancouverite Francois Cleroux. http://www.southsidebadminton.com/"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 28, 2001 (10:11)", "body": "from Francois site: Eventual gold medal winner Susi Sasanti serves at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games Shaun Botterill / Allsport In India, a game closer to modern badminton, poona, had evolved by the mid-19th century. While British army officers stationed there were learning the game, the Duke of Beauford was introducing it to royal society at his country estate, Badminton House in Gloucestershire, England. Within four years, the Bath Badminton Club had formed, and a new version of the game played there laid the basis for today's rules. The game remained a genteel affair for society's elite until the end of the century. Then, as badminton associations formed in England, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and France, a more vigorous game began to spread. The International Badminton Federation (IBF) was born in 1934, with a membership of nine countries ranging from the Netherlands to Canada, and with India, Australia and the United States joining soon after. In 1935, the American Badminton Association (ABA) was founded and it conducted the first national championship tournament on April 1, 1937. The International Badminton Federation, founded in 1934, planned to hold the first world championship tournament in 1939, but it was canceled because of World War II and didn't take place until 1949. World individual championships are now held in odd-numbered years, team championships in even-numbered years. The game reached the Olympic stage as a demonstration sport at the 1972 Munich Games. It returned as an exhibition sport in Seoul in 1988, then was accepted to full medal status in 1992 at Barcelona with singles and doubles competition for men and women. The mixed doubles event was added in 1996. Badminton also became a Pan-American Games sport in 1995. The Asians were ready and waiting to dominate when the game came back to them. Since 1934, China and Indonesia have won 70 per cent of all IBF titles \ufffd even with 131 countries now belonging to the federation. By then, it was too late for China's Li Lingwei and Han Aiping. During the 1980s, they had won six women's World Cups, six Grand Prix singles titles and 63 championships between them. It also was too late for Denmark's Morten Frost, who won more than 70 major men's titles during the '80s. Nonetheless, they had shown the way for their compatriots. Badminton became a professional sport in the 1980s, when the IBF established the World Grand Prix Circuit. The U. S. Open, which offers $200,000 in prize money, is the highest paying tournament on the tour. The Grand Prix Finals tournament has a total purse of $350,000. The ABA was renamed the U. S. Badminton Association in 1978. In 1989, the organization became a full-fledged member of the U. S. Olympic Committee. It has about 2,700 members, but more than 1 million Americans play badminton recreationally at least 25 times a year, according to a recent study. American players were among the world's best until the late 1960s. Perhaps the greatest of all was Judy Devlin Hashman, a native of Manitoba. She won more than 50 major championships from 1954 through 1967, including 12 U. S. national titles and 10 All-England championships. At the 1996 Atlanta Games, China tied for the medal lead as Asian athletes won 14 of the 15 medals. The only non-Asian was another Dane, Poul-Erik Hoyer-Larsen, who shocked the field with a gold medal in men's singles. While Asian nations still dominate Olympic badminton, Demark and Great Britain could challenge their reign in Sydney. After all these years, badminton probably is not far removed from its ancient predecessors, nor from the game of elite society in the mid-1800s \ufffd except for the speed of the game. The fastest smash recorded, by Great Britain's Simon Archer, was clocked at 260 kilometers per hour."}, {"response": 3, "author": "sociolingo", "date": "Fri, Dec 28, 2001 (13:15)", "body": "Great game Terry. I used to play a lot. It's still one of the sports I enjoy the most."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 29, 2004 (11:37)", "body": "August 19th, 2004 Chinese mixed doubles pair, Zhang Jun and Gao Ling, successfully defended their 2000 Olympic title today, and in the process won China's second badminton gold of the day. For most of us, badminton is thought of as a backyard sport like croquet, or ping pong, but this fast paced game with roots in China has been an Olympic sport since 1992. Find out how the game is scored, what makes it so fun to watch, and why spectators might be a little uncomfortable watching it. It's an indoor game, a lot like volleyball or tennis. \"Games start with a serve, and only the serving side can score.\" And they're very picky about the serve. First of all, it's always underhand. \"The contact point must be below the waist.\" The head of the racquet must stay below the hand. Qingyi Zheng Zen is a former Chinese national referee for badminton who now teaches physical education at UNLV. He agreed to teach us a little bit about the sport. \"You have to make it this way, don't turn back.\" Or at least he tried. In the Olympics, you'll see singles and doubles badminton. It's a best of three games set up. The men's singles game will be a 15 point game, the women will play to 11, but the games can last a long time. \"They can play for about maybe two hours for three games.\" And Zen says the intensity of the game is only second to soccer. You need three basic skills to play badminton: speed, endurance, and agility. And, of course, there's the crowd pleaser, the smash, as Zen demonstrates. \"You serve as high as you can. This is smash.\" The only thing the crowd won't be pleased about is a a lack of air conditioning during matches. \"The air current will be very much affecting the flying of the shuttlecock.\" Air current won't make much of a difference for us novices, though. Another thing about badminton that might surprise you is the height of the net. It's only five feet high. And in the Olympics, the shuttlecock is actually made with real feathers, not the plastic ones we use in our backyards. So how is the US team looking for this event? Qingyi says it's made up of former Chinese players, so they should do pretty well, but as of right now the US does not have a medal in badminton. China has three, while Great Britain, The Netherlands and Denmark each have one. http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=2198212&nav=15MVQ3s5 sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 57, "subject": "ping pong", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 17, 2002 (22:28)", "body": "Last week, Bergkamp also began construction on \"Solo Pong Station 3000,\" a makeshift half-table placed against a rebounding wall in his garage. When completed, the structure will enable him to play ping-pong even when alone. \"When I'm mano a mano on Pong Station 3000, that's when I'll face my worthiest adversary of all: me,\" Bergkamp said. \"It's the proverbial irresistible force going head-to-head with the immovable object.\" Though sometimes irritated, coworkers say Bergkamp's ping-pong-fueled bravado is mostly harmless. \"I'd never get that excited about ping-pong, but if that's what gets his rocks off, more power to him, I guess,\" said Karl Hiestand, Bergkamp's immediate supervisor. \"I'll play him every now and again, usually when he asks if I'm 'recovered enough from [my] last beatdown for a rematch.' In a way, it's kind of cute how he talks all tough about it. It doesn't make sense, but it's sort of funny, I suppose.\" When told of his supervisor's remarks, Bergkamp lifted his ping-pong paddle over his head in a two-fisted stance and said, \"None, not even the Karl-Tron himself, can withstand the terrifying fury unleashed by Tim Bergkamp, a.k.a. King Pong.\" Added Bergkamp: \"There can be only one.\" http://www.theonion.com/onion3646/ping_pong_playing_man.html"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 17, 2002 (22:29)", "body": "1. The Table 1.1 The table shall be in surface rectangular, 274 cm. (9 ft.) in length, 152.5 cm. (5 ft.) in width. It shall be supported so that its upper surface, termed the playing surface, shall lie in a horizontal plane 76 cm. (2 ft. 6 in.) above the floor. 1.2 It shall be made of any material and shall yield a uniform bounce of about 23 cm. (8 3/4 in.) when a standard ball is dropped from a height of 30 cm. (12 in.) above the surface. 1.3 The playing surface shall be dark colored and matt, with a white line 2 cm. (3/4 inch) wide along each edge. 1.3.1 The lines along the 152.5 cm. (5 ft.) edges or ends shall be termed end lines, and they shall be regarded as extending indefinitely in both directions. 1.3.2 The lines along the 274 cm. (9 ft.) edges or sides shall be termed side lines. 1.4 For doubles, the playing surface shall be divided into halves by a white line 3 mm. (1/8 in.) wide, running parallel with the side lines, termed the center line. Permanent marking of the center line shall not invalidate the table for singles play. The center line shall be regarded as part of each right half court. 1.5 The playing surface shall be considered to include the top edges of the table, but not the sides of the table top below the edge. http://www.usatt.org/rules/index.shtml sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 58, "subject": "Summer Olympics 2004", "response_count": 46, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Feb 24, 2002 (15:42)", "body": "You're right, Terry. the closing ceremonies have not yet happened and I am eagerly looking forward to the Athens Olympics in 2002. Just 900+ days until the opening ceremonies. Throughout the Olympic Games, three flags continually fly: the Olympic flag, the hosting country's flag and Greece's flag. How perfectly beautiful it is to see the American flag and the Greek flag either side of the Olympic flag in Salt Lake city. In Athens, will there be two Greek flags? Will the Greek team enter first or just their flag and, as the host country team, enter last? I am still hunting for the Greek Olympic Team webpage. I can find the Nagano website and the 2004 website. The Baltimore Orioles, along with Major League Baseball, have stepped forward in an effort to help the Greek government field a competitive baseball team for the 2004 Olympic Games to be held in Athens. http://www.geocities.com/baseballgreece/olympic.html Official site of the 2002 Athens Olympics http://www.athens.olympic.org/Page/default.asp?la=2"}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Feb 24, 2002 (17:06)", "body": ""}, {"response": 3, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Feb 24, 2002 (23:46)", "body": "SALT LAKE CITY WINTER OLYMPICS-VERY INTENSE GREEK PRESENCE. (Cultural, Scientific & General News Category) February 2002: The 2002 Winter Olympics started on February 8th in Salt Lake City, USA. During his stay in Utah's capital the Greek Minister for the Culture inaugurated the Greek stand which is situated in Salt Lake City downtown and in which is displayed audiovisual material presenting the 2004 Athens Summer Games preparation and inform the audience about the targets of the Cultural Olympics. The Minister had also proceeded in the unveiling of a Prometheus statue during a symbolic ceremony organized by Greek-Americans. The Minister for the Culture together with the Greek Minister of Foreign Affairs attended a Greek oriented exhibit where they were presented the works of the Greek painter Mina Valyrakis who was voted as the 'Sport Artist of the Year' by the American Sports Federation and of the Greek-American Euripides Kastaris, an artist connecting the Olympic ideal with the 2002 and 2004 Games. On the other hand, the Greek Minister for the Culture had an appointment with t! he president of the Peking 2008 Organizing Committee and discussed the future cooperation between Greece and China concerning the cultural dimension of the Olympics. The Chinese part was very interested about the philosophy of the 2001-2004 Cultural Olympics. In this direction, the president of the Peking 2008 Organizing Committee indicated Greece's knowledge and experience on Cultural Olympics and expressed the willingness of China to be helped by Greece in the organization of cultural exhibits. During the meeting was decided the sign of a protocol of cooperation concerning the Cultural Olympics. ********************************************************************* Greekproducts.com Newsletter#22, February 2002"}, {"response": 4, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (22:12)", "body": "More rooms, no cars - That is what the government would like to see for the 2004 Games With accommodation and transportation shaping up as the foremost problem-areas in the preparation of the 2004 Athens Olympics, the government is prepared to provide tax incentives to private citizens for subletting their apartments to visitors during the Olympics and to severely regulate the flow of cars during the period of the Games (August 13-29, 2004). Culture Minister Evangelos Venizelos, speaking at a business conference on the Olympics yesterday, said a bill dealing with accommodation and transportation will be submitted soon to Parliament. The bill, still in the drafting stage, will provide a tax exemption for incomes acquired through subletting an apartment or house. Incentives will also be provided for people to leave their jobs and work as volunteers. Venizelos provided no details about how the bill will deal with transportation matters but gave a hint when he said that \ufffdwe must forget our cars for 15 days.\ufffd Denis Oswald, chairman of the International Olympic Committee's Coordination Commission overseeing the preparations said yesterday that 2,800 rooms still must be booked for \ufffdOlympic family\ufffd - officials, sponsors and others - but said he was confident a solution could be found. The Hellenic Association of Travel and Tourism Agents accused the government of failing to act in time on housing hundreds of thousands of expected tourists. They estimated the number of rooms needed during the Games at 150,000 and said that most of the 40,000 rooms within a 175-kilometer radius from Athens were substandard. HATTA also demanded that rooms to be sublet be certified as meeting safety and hygiene standards. The government said no new hotels will be built in the Athens area for the Games. Oswald had an agreeable meeting with Venizelos but was especially blunt about time lost and the need for the government and organizers to stop bickering and get on with the task at hand. \ufffdIt is vital that all the elements that constitute the lifeblood of the country work together, putting aside any quarrels... and cooperating in a coordinated matter. In my view, this is a civic duty and obligation toward the nation,\ufffd Oswald told the conference. The Council of State did its piece for civic duty yesterday by temporarily stopping the sale of a majority stake of the Maroussi Municipal Corporation to a European consortium which has undertaken to build a media village in the municipality, near the main Olympic sports complex. The Council of State will debate the motion against the sale by local residents and municipal councillors - including former javelin world record holder Sophia Sakorafa - on June 17. Motions and petitions against Olympic projects by local residents have been one of the main reasons for the delays in the construction of Olympic venues. In almost all cases, the Council of State has ruled in favor of the projects. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100012_06/03/2002_14121"}, {"response": 5, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (22:40)", "body": "ATHOC leader urges Cypriot volunteerism for 2004 Olympiad 07/03/2002 22:42:56 NICOSIA (ANA - D. Kalambakas) - Greece's Athens 2004 Olympic Organising Committee (ATHOC) President Gianna Angelopoulos-Daskalaki, speaking at an event at a Nicosia hotel on Thursday night, called for Cypriot volunteerism in preparation for the Olympic Games. The event was opened with a video-taped greeting by President of the Republic Glafcos Clerides who urged the Cypriots to volunteer for the success of the Games. ''I call on them to unite their strength with the other Greeks for the unrepeatable success of the 2004 Olympic Games,'' he said. The ATHOC president, having said that 35,000 people have already shown interest to volunteer, underlined that ''the Cypriot people constitute an unseparable part of Hellenism. Cyprus cannot be absent from the first Games of the new millennium which is organised on European soil, particularly when it will soon be a worthy member of the European Union. We depend on your help and your active support. We are obliged to show the world who we are and what we can jointly achieve.'' Present at the event were political party officials, athletes and members of volunteer organisations. http://www.ana.gr/"}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (22:58)", "body": ""}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (23:06)", "body": "FM speaks on Olympic Truce at Economist Conference Athens, 06/03/2002 (ANA) Foreign Minister George Papandreou gave a speech on peace and the Olympic Truce at the Economist Conference in Athens on Tuesday night on the issue of the Olympic Games. Papandreou spoke of the great importance of the Truce and stressed that it would be a great opportunity for 15 days in 2004, during the Olympic Games, to achieve peace in all the war-torn regions. Papandreou expressed the wish for the Olympic flame to pass from regions where there are conflicts, such as the Middle East, and bring even for 15 days peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis. U.S. Ambassador to Athens Thomas Miller in his speech recalled the principles of Martin Luther King, as his great grandson Martin Luther King the 3rd was present at the event and signed the proclamation for the Olympic Truce, among the other hundred personalities which have already signed, the first being President of the Republic Kostis Stephanopoulos. http://www.hri.org/news/greek/ana/2002/02-03-06.ana.html#03"}, {"response": 8, "author": "tsatsvol", "date": "Sat, Mar  9, 2002 (13:22)", "body": "Learn about the history of the Olympic Games from the time when athletic contests were held during religious ceremonies until the First International Olympic Games in 1896. (Prehistory, Antiquity, Revival). Athletic Events in Prehistory Hippias of Elis, a sophist of the fifth century BC, was the first to compile the initial victor list of the Olympic games. From him we learn that the first athletic contest, the foot race, was held at the sacred place of Olympia, in western Peloponnese, for the first time in 776 BC, in honor of the Olympian Zeus. Later ancient sources inform us that the Olympic festival gained considerable importance, ranked among the largest and most famous Panhellenic festivals by the time of early 5th century. The young boxers, a fresco from Thera, ca. 1550 BC. Athens, National Archaeological Museum. More here: http://www.fhw.gr/projects/olympics/ John"}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Mar  9, 2002 (15:30)", "body": "Thank you for this link. I will be referring to it frequently and posting more current and historic information before the games actually begin. I plan to be totally immersed in these games because it is as close to Athens I am going to get in this life, though my heart and imagination have been there since I was a child. Please tell me it is written in English. I will go look..."}, {"response": 10, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 11, 2002 (00:17)", "body": "Court decides in favor of Olympic works, regeneration The planned construction of sports venues for the Olympic Games along the Faliron Bay was approved by the Council of State yesterday. The decision will allow the \ufffdregeneration\ufffd of areas that will accommodate venues for beach volleyball, boxing, tae kwon do and, eventually, stadiums, marinas and gymnasiums. There are also plans to fill in 20.8 hectares of the bay. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/news/politics_3584960KathiLev&xml/&aspKath/politics.asp?fdate=09/03/2002"}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Mar 11, 2002 (00:17)", "body": "oops!"}, {"response": 12, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Mar 22, 2002 (21:43)", "body": "nough water, but not for trees Athens should have enough water to cope with the increased demand during the 2004 Olympic Games, according to the head of the Athens-Piraeus Water Company (EYDAP) Dimitris Xenos, who, nonetheless, warned against planting trees that require irrigation as EYDAP would not provide water for this purpose. \ufffdIn the Faliron Delta, we are prepared to supply recycled water for hydrophilic (water-loving) trees. But we are asking that the rest of the trees scheduled to be planted in Attica, about one million of them, should not require watering. There are other trees that do not need to be irrigated,\ufffd he said yesterday, addressing the opening of the Hydrorama 2002 conference, which ends today, the World Day for Water. Xenos said that average daily water consumption during the Games, to be held in August 2004, was expected to be about 1.8 million cubic meters, according to the worst case scenario of a serious drought. \ufffdWe at EYDAP believe that consumption (during the Games) will be around 1.6 million cubic meters per day. At present, the average daily consumption in August and September is 1.4 million cubic meters,\ufffd he said. Rain and snowfall this past winter have topped up EYDAP\ufffds reservoirs, which now hold 536 million cubic meters of water, enough for two years, said Xenos, adding that almost 100 percent of snowfall was retrievable, but only 4-6 percent of rainfall. The previous hydrological year (September 2000 to October 2001) saw the lowest precipitation in the past decade. Greece had also faced a dry period in the late 1980s and early 1990s. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100015_22/03/2002_14663"}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Mar 22, 2002 (21:45)", "body": "Xenos is so close to being a word meaning \"without water\", I gave it a double reading!"}, {"response": 14, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar 27, 2002 (22:21)", "body": "OVER 100 GREEK-ORIGIN POLICE OFFICERS WILL BE 2004 OLYMPIC GAMES VOLUNTEERS Melbourne, 26 March 2002 (17:14 UTC+2) Over 100 Greek-Australian police officers from Melbourne declared their readiness to do volunteer work within the framework of the 2004 Olympic Games Police and Operational Security. General Secretary Dimitris Dollis, responsible for the Greeks Living Abroad, welcomed the proposal and pledged to bring the issue to the responsible government ministry. He underlined that this initiative deserves to be praised and it is a proof of the love the second and third generation Greeks have in their hearts for the homeland of their ancestors. http://www.mpa.gr/article.html?doc_id=258996"}, {"response": 15, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar 27, 2002 (22:26)", "body": ""}, {"response": 16, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar 27, 2002 (22:27)", "body": ""}, {"response": 17, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Mar 27, 2002 (22:28)", "body": "Shall there be bull vaulting as a exhibition sport this year? see http://star.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/Mirror/olympics/prehistory/minoan.html"}, {"response": 18, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Mar 30, 2002 (22:32)", "body": "2004 Games environment chief denies that ambitious planting plan faces downsizing because of delays BY JOHN HADOULIS GREECE is a beautiful land with an amazing environment, and we intend to build upon this fact. This is what we want to show to billions of viewers during the Athens 2004 Games and to the millions of visitors who will follow thereafter.\" This excerpt comes from a memorandum signed in October 2001 between the Athens 2004 Organising Committee (ATHOC) and the ministry of environment, town planning and public works, calling for the planting of about 1,500 hectares of trees, bushes, flowers and greens in the parched Games host city. The move was heralded as yet another benefit accruing to Athens because of the Olympics. Studies show that the average Athenian currently has access to 2.5m2 of greenery. In contrast, Washington provides an average 50m2 of green space to each citizen, as opposed to 25m2 in Vienna, 13m2 in Berlin, 10m2 in Rome and 9m2 in London. But a few days after the memorandum was signed by then public works minister Costas Laliotis and ATHOC president Gianna Angelopoulos-Daskalaki, the former left his post and little has been heard (or seen) of this ambitious programme since. Trees need time In contrast to the venue construction front, where organisers are also redoubling their efforts to make up for lost time, tree-planting is a somewhat more complicated business. \"Plants aren't like a construction which can be erected in a year, a month or a day,\" says forester George Douros. \"Even having them in place when the Games are held [in August 2004] does not automatically mean that you have the desired greenery. Trees need time to adjust.\" Athens intends to plant some 290,000 trees, in addition to millions of bushes, at Olympic venues, the Olympic Village and alongside roads. And to do it right, Douros observes, the venues need to be ready beforehand. \"Planting is absolutely the last thing you do. All building activity must be completed before this process can begin.\" Most of Athens' new venues are scheduled to be completed after November 2003, many in January 2004. Planting is normally carried out in autumn. \"Since we're constructing new buildings, there is no way they can be ready in two years' time and have the proper greenery on top of that. No way,\" argues Douros. More... http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.prnt_article?e=C&f=12954&t=01&m=A08&aa=1"}, {"response": 19, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Mar 30, 2002 (22:33)", "body": "Please plant those ancient olive trees somewhere. Don't just cut them down!"}, {"response": 20, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Apr  4, 2002 (17:21)", "body": "Athens 2004 Organising Committee (ATHOC) President Gianna Angelopoulos-Daskalaki presented the two mascots of the 2004 Athens Olympic Games at the Zappeion Hall in Athens on Thursday. The two mascots were created on the model of an ancient Greek doll dating back to the 7th century B.C. and were named ''Phoebus'' and ''Athena.''"}, {"response": 21, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 21, 2002 (16:35)", "body": "Greeks model Olympic mascots on wrong Homer Helena Smith in Athens Sunday April 21, 2002 The Observer They have been likened to a pair of post-disaster mutants, an unmentionable part of the male anatomy, condoms, and perhaps worst of all, the Simpsons. As murky as their preparations for the 2004 Olympics may be, the Greeks are making one thing very clear: they loath Ph?vos and Athen?, the cartoon mascots that will symbolise the world's most cherished sporting event when the games return to Athens. In the two weeks since the ungainly duo were unveiled, Hellenes have lambasted them as an outrageous affront to the nation's cultural heritage. Although inspired by a seventh century BC terracotta figurine and given ancient Greek names - Ph?vos is another name for Apollo the god of music and light, and Athen? the goddess of wisdom - the smiling, bell-shaped twin siblings have been denounced for being decidedly un-Greek. Even worse, they have unbecoming torsos, huge, flat feet - and four toes, in the style of the four-fingered Simpsons. 'If we see these things at the opening ceremony, it will be a national catastrophe,' snarled filmmaker Yiannis Smaragdis. 'No matter how much I try to be positive, they just seem to be so very tasteless,' lamented popular Athenian actress Dina Konsta. Informal polls have shown that 75 per cent of the population agree. The mascots' creator, little-known Greek artist Spyros Gogos, had hoped the brother and sister images would represent all the values encompassed by the Olympic ideal: the brotherhood of man, equality of the sexes, and as fun-loving children, participation in the games irrespective of victory. No other mascot to date, the Games' organisers declared, had managed so successfully to marry the past with the present. In Ph?vos and Athen?, the world had two gods in human form to represent the ultimate in human competition. 'The 2004 Olympic mascots are unique,' Gianna Angelopoulos-Daskalaki, the Games' president said somewhat defensively. 'They have a long history, as well as a modern face.' The furore adds to the woes surrounding Athens 2004. Since winning its bid for the Olympics in 1997, Athens has been savagely criticised for the chaotic way it has prepared for them. Jacques Rogge, president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), said Greece would need 'to run a marathon at a sprinter's pace' if it wanted to put on a problem-free Games. Delays in the construction of key sports venues, including the Olympic village, have frayed nerves. Refurbishment of the main stadium is so behind schedule there will be no time for test events. Foot-dragging on infrastructure projects, such as vital bridges and roads, has led to several works being cancelled. This month, Denis Oswald, the IOC's top inspector for Athens 2004, said the lack of suitable hotels in the Greek capital 'and chaotic plans to build new ones' was particularly worrying. Plans to host visitors in cruise liners berthed in the port of Piraeus would not solve the problem, he said. There were not only security concerns but the worry of people being trapped in Athens' notorious traffic jams. Fears of the Games being marred by a terrorist strike have increased dramatically since 11 September. As the home of November 17, the terrorist group who murdered British defence attach?, Brigadier Stephen Saunders in June 2000, Greece is viewed as Europe's 'soft underbelly'. 'Security and transport will be a concern till the end' groaned Oswald. As will in-fighting between the different ministeries and agencies handling the Games. 'We can't seem to agree on anything,' sighed one Olympics official. Ph?vos and Athen?, Greece's maligned mascots, would surely agree. http://observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,687827,00.html"}, {"response": 22, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 21, 2002 (17:25)", "body": "ATHENS 2004 - Judo During the ATHENS 2004 Olympic Games, Judo competitions will be staged in the Ano Liossia Olympic Hall, which has a seating capacity of 8,000. Competition events will take place within the span of seven days (August 14-20). Daily, one women\ufffds and one men\ufffds weight category will be completed, starting with the lighter weight categories. Preliminaries and repechage (a second chance for defeated athletes in the first and second round) will be held at 10:30 and finals at 16:30. It is estimated that as many as 386 judo athletes from 90 countries will compete in the 2004 Olympic Games. http://www.athens.olympics.org/page/default.asp?id=3328&la=2 Remember the word \" repechage \" you will hear it often in rowing and other sports including the judo explained above. More about Judo at the link listed above."}, {"response": 23, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 21, 2002 (17:48)", "body": "ATHENS 2004 - Triathlon The sport of triathlon in the 2004 Olympics will be staged in the wider area of the Municipality of Vouliagmeni in southern Athens. The swimming will take place at one of the most famous beaches, Oceanida. The water quality is excellent and the beach has all the necessary facilities. The start will take place from a floating pontoon. The cycling and running will be held on the \ufffdmountainous\ufffd side of the municipality, in scenery where the mountains and sea alternate along the whole route. The cycling route will have intensive technical characteristics with constant ascents and descents, and spectators will line the whole route. Only motorcyclists carrying camera operators and judges will be allowed to enter the competitive course of the cycling section. As is required, there is provision for liquid supply stations for the athletes (a supply of water, isotonic drinks as well as a wet sponge) every 1 km. During cycling, there will be 6 pits with wheels (wheel stations) should someone get a puncture. The running will be staged in three laps of 3.3 km. http://www.athens.olympics.org/page/default.asp?id=2578&la=2"}, {"response": 24, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 22, 2002 (20:49)", "body": "A Special Olympics athlete lights the flame... EPA With the Acropolis for a backdrop, a Special Olympics athlete lights the flame yesterday for the 15th anniversary celebration of Greece\ufffds Special Olympics committee. In all, 2,002 Special Olympic athletes from 21 countries from all the world will participate in the Games, which open in Athens today and end on Friday."}, {"response": 25, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Apr 23, 2002 (16:24)", "body": "Greece Blames 2004 Works Delays on Ecologists HAMBURG, Germany (Reuters) - Greece has blamed environmentalists and archaeologists for the delays in its preparations for the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens. Speaking at a symposium in Hamburg Friday, Greek government spokesman Telemachos Hytiris admitted Greece had wasted valuable time but said authorities had to cope with a number of concerns. \"There are indeed delays at various sites,\" Hytiris said in the northern German port city, which is seeking to host the 2012 Summer Games. \"We have wasted time coordinating with the responsible authorities.\" The International Olympic Committee (IOC) warned Greece two years ago it risked the success of the Games because of delays, bureaucracy and infighting. Hytiris said protests and court action by concerned groups had played a role. \"A lot of environmentalists protest and go to court,\" he added. He said that in a country layered with millennia of cultural treasures, an archaeologist has to be on hand at every construction site. \"No matter where one digs, something is always found,\" he said. \"And then it has to be decided if this is an archaeological site.\" Hytiris, recently assigned by Prime Minister Costas Simitis to take over international and local publicity for the Games, said the press had also been a problem. \"They are always looking for bad news and scandals,\" he said. Earlier this month the IOC gave Greece a rare dose of praise for speeding up the troubled preparations for the Games, but warned that deadlines remained tight. Former IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch flashed Athens a yellow card two years ago, issuing veiled warnings that the IOC would move the Games unless Greece started to meet its preparation deadlines. Since then, Simitis has taken personal charge of the effort and appointed Gianna Angelopoulos as head of the Greek organizing committee. http://news.findlaw.com/sports/s/20020419/olympicsgreecedc.html"}, {"response": 26, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Apr 23, 2002 (16:27)", "body": "You can bet if I lived in Greece, I would have a well-worked garden because I would be looking for anything older than yesterday. I guess having a civilization so very ancient and notable can be a hindrance. Britain encounters the same difficulty with finding antiquities no matter where they dig!"}, {"response": 27, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 28, 2002 (01:21)", "body": "School Olympiad teaches culture By Michelle Hunter St. Bernard/Plaquemines bureau/The Times-Picayune (Lousiana) When Chalmette Middle School sixth-graders channeled the spirit of ancient Greece for their Olympic games Friday, the event's organizer had to bypass authenticity for plain old decency. Back in 776 B.C., Greeks traditionally competed \"in the buff\" for the Olympics. But teacher Monica Braud had her students don homemade togas over their physical education uniforms. \"We didn't want them running around in the nude,\" she said laughing. The school held its third annual Greek Olympiad, which is more like a glorified field day for sixth-graders. It concludes the students' study of ancient Greece in their social studies classes, Braud said. \"This is a fun activity that goes along with the unit,\" she said. The 250 students were divided into teams named after Greek city-states -- the Corinthians, the Argives, the Spartans and the Athenians -- and competed in events such as the javelin throw, discus, a marathon and water balloon toss. For those who preferred to flex their brain instead of their brawn, there were games of Pictionary, puzzles and math relays. Although the event was primarily linked to social studies, Braud said the school tried to incorporate every subject area. Joshua McGaha, a 13-year-old from the Argives, helped his team win the overall gold medal for the morning competition by managing to stay dry during the water balloon throw. He was a bit skeptical about taking part in the games but later said, \"I never knew it was going to be this much fun.\" Rebecca Ortiz, 13, said she had second thoughts about making a Greek fashion statement. \"I was like, \ufffdNah, I'm not going to walk around in a toga all day.' But it's been fun with my friends doing it,\" Ortiz said. Speaking of togas, several students came garbed in their parents' best paisley and floral print sheets. Joshua Gauthier, 13, had a kind of Scottish kilt thing happening with his blue, green and black-plaid toga. The sheet, he said, was from his sister's bed. http://www.nola.com/archives/t-p/index.ssf?/newsstory/b_greek20.html"}, {"response": 28, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 28, 2002 (01:29)", "body": "I always associated a toga with Rome, though my one adventure in wearing one was for the Panhellenic Assiciation Ball at which I was a chaperone - a mere year after I had graduated from college. It was very odd. I was full of safety pins and was miserable."}, {"response": 29, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 29, 2002 (22:08)", "body": "Greek Gymnasts shine again Elevating the national team\ufffds presence on the international gymnastics circuit, Greek athletes added to recent successes by acquiring three medals \ufffd two gold and one silver \ufffd at the Men\ufffds European Gymnastics Championships in Patras, western Greece, over the weekend. Vassilis Tsokalidis lived up to earlier signs of promise by winning one of the Greek team\ufffds two gold medals, on the parallel bars event with a score of 9.837. Last summer he had ended seventh in the same event at the World Championships in Ghent, Belgium. Teammate Vlassis Maras, who had also made his arrival in Ghent with gold in the high bar event, consolidated his international position by adding a European title to Ghent\ufffds glory. Judges handed him a score of 9.812. France\ufffds Florent Maree ended second with 9.712, and Igor Cassina of Italy third with 9.687. Demosthenes Tambakos, a silver medalist at the Sydney Olympics on the rings, won silver in the event with 9.737. Bulgarian Jordan Jovtchev deprived him of gold with 9.750. Last weekend, the national team had its first-ever win by a female athlete in gymnastics, at either senior or junior level, in the Europeans, also held in Patras. Maria Mastroyiannopoulou delighted local fans with a silver medal \ufffd at junior level \ufffd on the uneven parallel bars. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_sport_100012_29/04/2002_15979"}, {"response": 30, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 29, 2002 (22:09)", "body": "AP Gold-medal winner Vlassis Maras of Greece (c) is congratulated by Florent Maree of France (who won silver) and Igor Cassina of Italy (bronze) after the high bar event at the Men's European Gymnastics Championships in Patras yesterday. Vassilis Tsokalidis won the team's other gold medal on the parallel bars event and Demosthenes Tambakos, a silver medalist at Sydney Olympics on the rings, won silver yesterday. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100011_29/04/2002_15956"}, {"response": 31, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 29, 2002 (23:14)", "body": "Cyprus to ship metal for Olympic medals to Greece Cyprus has started building a ship to carry metal to Greece for the manufacture of bronze medals in the Athens 2004 Olympics. The speaker of the Cypriot parliament, Dimitris Christofias, attended a ceremony to mark the start of the Kerynia's construction in Limassol. The bronze was donated by the Cypriot Greek Metals Company. http://www.gogreece.com/news/headlines/story.html?id=4148"}, {"response": 32, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, May  9, 2002 (23:27)", "body": "2004\ufffds fine line on smoking Athens 2004 is aiming for a non-smoking Games, the Olympic organizers said yesterday, but, this being Greece \ufffd the home of manic smokers \ufffd they also stressed that they want smokers to be happy and will set aside special smoking areas. \ufffdThe aim of Athens 2004 is to hold a non-smoking Games, but without disturbing the fine balance between the rights of smokers and non-smokers,\ufffd the organizers said. The statement added that a non-smoking policy has applied since the 1992 Barcelona Games \ufffdwithout meeting resistance from any participants in the Olympics, in any capacity.\ufffd Therefore, smoking will be banned at all competition and non-competition venues (including the media center), bleachers and auxiliary areas. \ufffdHowever, smoking areas will be set aside at all facilities, which will meet all fire safety requirements and health regulations (such as being far from eating areas). The smoking areas will have the necessary infrastructure to host smokers, such as being in a shady area with chairs and tables and being near refreshment areas,\ufffd Athens 2004 said. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100013_09/05/2002_16216"}, {"response": 33, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, May  9, 2002 (23:46)", "body": ""}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, May 10, 2002 (06:24)", "body": "AHave you attened an Olympics, Marci? Anyone?"}, {"response": 35, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, May 10, 2002 (23:23)", "body": "Alas No. I always seem to be at the wrong end of the continent or world. It has always been my fondest dream to attend one. Now, I do not relish the long flight to get to the events, though Athens has definite appeal for me. Anyone else?"}, {"response": 36, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jul 17, 2002 (16:41)", "body": "GOLD MEDAL FOR THE GREEK GYMNASTICS TEAM The Greek national gymnastics team won two medals, gold and bronze, on the last day of the 25th Gymnastics World Championship that was held in New Orleans, in the United States. The program with the three ropes and the two balls performed by the Greek women team was almost flawless and gathered a total of 24.450 points. Bulgaria came second with 23.600 points and Belarus third with 23.500 points. The Greek national gymnastics team also won the bronze medal in the final with the five ribbons in which it got 22.650 points. Ukraine came first with 23.325 points and Russia was second with 22.950 points."}, {"response": 37, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 2002 (11:08)", "body": "Pre-Olympic sailing event to be held this month (ANA) An Athens 2004 pre-Olympic sailing regatta will be held from Aug. 16-23 off the Aghios Kosmas coastal district in southeast Athens. The event is designed to allow athletes to be familiarized with the maritime and weather conditions at the specific sailing venue. The regatta is the first of two sailing test events. The first pre-Olympic regatta will be held at temporary facilities of Aghios Kosmas, while a new Olympic Sailing Center is under construction and is expected to be ready for a second test event in August 2003. The Athens 2004 organizing committee (ATHOC) has promised to conduct a series of test events based -- as closely as possible -- on a real event environment. Although only one test event is scheduled for each competition at each Olympic facility, sailing is the only sport for which two pre-Olympic events have been scheduled. http://www.goGreece.com/news/headlines/story.html?id=7203"}, {"response": 38, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 2002 (11:09)", "body": "OSE announces sponsorships for three athletes (ANA) The Hellenic Railway Organization's (OSE) administration announced sponsorships for three athletes at a ceremony held at the transport ministry's amphitheatre on Thursday. The athletes awarded the sponsorships are the sprinters Aristotelis Gavelas and Vassilis Sengos and marathon runner Theodoros Zachos. The athletes' sponsorship has a two-year duration and is aimed at improving and facilitating their preparation conditions during the crucial period before the 2004 Athens Olympic Games. http://www.goGreece.com/news/headlines/story.html?id=7202"}, {"response": 39, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Aug 16, 2002 (22:08)", "body": "Olympic test events start with sailing Two years before the opening ceremony of the 2004 Olympics, on August 13, 2004, the sailing regatta that begins today in Athens signals the transition of the Games\ufffd organization from the planning to the operational phase. The regatta, which starts today at noon and will last until next Thursday, is the first Olympic test event. Test events must take place in all sports at least a year before the Games; organizers and contractors are racing against the clock to complete venues. \ufffdIt is an opportunity for Athens 2004 staff to obtain a hands-on experience to work as a team, to learn in practice, to implement and test our organizational and operational plans,\ufffd Marton Simitsek, executive director of the organizing committee, Athens 2004, told Reuters. Even though facilities at the sailing center in Aghios Cosmas are temporary, athletes said they were \ufffdenthusiastic\ufffd about their quality, Athens 2004 announced yesterday. \ufffdAll facilities and services are of a very high level,\ufffd Argentinean Carlos Espinola, a silver medalist in the Mistral (windsurfing) class at the 2000 Sydney Olympics, was quoted as saying. A total of 507 athletes, from 40 countries, will take part in the regatta, in 327 boats. All Olympic classes are represented, except the Star Class; there were very few entries for this class, because the World Championships are taking place simultaneously in Los Angeles. On Wednesday, an International Olympic Committee spokeswoman endorsed Athens\ufffds efforts. \ufffdMomentum is very much gathering pace,\ufffd the IOC\ufffds Giselle Davis told Reuters. (Combined reports) http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100008_16/08/2002_19849"}, {"response": 40, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 15, 2004 (10:48)", "body": "They started a couple of days ago. And the US has a swimmer chasing 7 medals. It's on at least 4 cable networks, so it will be hard to keep up. Right now I'm watching the USA softball team in the 2nd inning with a 2-0 lead over the Aussies. Women's bicycing is on the USA network at the same time."}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 22, 2004 (04:40)", "body": "August 27th will be a big day in the Women's Pentathalon, my favorite event so far. It's on four networks, NBC, CNBC, USA, and Bravo. Maybe on MSNBC too. Softball's on now. Live. And it's 3:25 am. Viewing all this is a Herculean task. If I had the money, I could hire several assistants to watch it for me and report back to me. NBC's been flogging the fact that this Olympics has 1,210 hours covering all 28 Olympic sports. That's about what all four of my tivos can record. But that would take 150 days watching tv 8 hours a day."}, {"response": 42, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 22, 2004 (04:54)", "body": "I like getting to see sports that I never get to see otherwise, like the trampoline, ping pong, badminton, and the women's pentathalon. And it is amazing to see the NBA team lose to Puerto Rico and Lithuania, unheard of just a few years ago. The world is catching up to the NBA. The BBC is running 5 video channels over the net butg their only available to UK based broadband subscribers. But there's already too much to watch on Tivo. In a half hour, Team USA vs. Australia."}, {"response": 43, "author": "CherylB", "date": "Tue, Aug 24, 2004 (15:09)", "body": "Tremor felt in Greek capital during Olympics (08-24) 07:22 PDT ATHENS, Greece (AP) A small earthquake rattled some Olympic venues Tuesday. There were no reports of injuries or damage. The Athens Geodynamic Institute said the tremor had a preliminary magnitude of 4.5 and occurred at 3:38 p.m. local time. It was centered about 42 miles northeast of Athens, 12 miles beneath the Aegean Sea. \"There is no reason to panic. It was a very small quake,\" said Giorgos Stavrakakis, a seismologist with the Geodynamic Institute. The press table shook at the baseball venue at the Helliniko Complex near the coastline. \"Like somebody was pounding the keyboard too hard,\" one reporter said. Other said they didn't notice anything. Venues including the Olympic Village and the 9,000-seat Ano Liossia Olympic Hall for wrestling and judo were built near the fault line and designed to withstand a potentially massive quake. International Olympic Committee took the unprecedented step of buying insurance in case the games were called off due to terrorism or natural disasters, such as earthquakes. Earthquakes are common in Greece, one of the most seismically active countries in Europe. In 1999, a 5.9-magnitude quake near Athens killed 143 people, injured about 2,000 and left thousands more homeless. An earthquake also hit Nagano, Japan, during the 1998 Winter Games, jolting athletes and spectators but causing no major damage. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/24/sports1004EDT0340.DTL"}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 24, 2004 (15:38)", "body": "I'm watching one of my favorite events, women's beach volleyball. USA is going for a bronze in this game against the Aussie women."}, {"response": 45, "author": "olympia", "date": "Tue, Aug 24, 2004 (17:24)", "body": "I'm watching boxing. Turkey 30, Italy 23 in the 4th round. How was the beach volleyball match?"}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug 25, 2004 (09:33)", "body": "Great match. USA downed the Aussies in a hotly contested match for the bronze. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 59, "subject": "rugby", "response_count": 139, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Mar  5, 2002 (04:55)", "body": "More from planet-rugby's faq: What are the differences between Rugby Union and Rugby League? Rugby union and rugby league are two separate games that evolved from a common rugby origin, and although they share many common features, the differences are marked. Despite their origins, union and league are now best regarded as different sports - though the styles of player and play have become increasingly similar in recent years. The main differences in laws, is that league teams have only 13 players whereas rugby union has 15. In Union line-outs are used to re-start play when the ball goes out of play. The scoring is different too. A League try is worth four points while Union's is valued a five; a drop goal in League counts for just one point while in Union it is worth three; a League penalty clocks up two points and the Union version three but a conversion kick following a try is worth two points in both codes. In League an attacking team can only be tackled six times each attack before the ball is turned over, where as in Union there is unlimited tackles. Rugby League has always been professional, where as payment for players in Union was only legalised in 1995."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Mar  5, 2002 (04:56)", "body": "And yet more from the same faq: Why did they split? The original split in 1895 was over the issue of paying players. Rugby Union held out as a strictly amateur sport, ie playing for no financial benefit, whereas rugby league allowed professionalism in the game. The split was very acrimonious and the issue was one of the most divisive issues in the sport. For a 100 years, at least on the surface, the Union code stuck to their principles and steadfastly refused to permit player payments of any kind, including things such as boot sponsorship and book deals. It was also against the union rules on amateurism for union players to be involved in any way with league. Anyone who turned to league to earn a living was banned from playing the Union game ever again. However, as the 20th century progressed the amateur status of the game was under increasing pressure. In August 1995, in the face of widespread abuses (in the form of under the table payments, player trust funds, etc) and pressure from the top players who were being expected to put in many hours of training in an era of increasing media interest in the game, the game's governing body the IRB finally relinquished and rugby union became fully professional at all levels."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Mar  5, 2002 (04:57)", "body": "And yet even more from that faq: Where is the game of Rugby Union played? Rugby Union is the more popular code of rugby on a global scale and is played in over 100 countries worldwide. As of 2000, there were 92 official Unions making up the iRB. The traditional powerhouses of rugby union in terms of popularity, numbers of people playing the game and international sucess remain the 'Home Unions' of England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales as well as France, South Africa, New Zealand and Australia. What are the major international competitions? International rugby currently revolves around a cycle building towards the Rugby World Cup, which has been staged in a different host country every four years since the inaugural tournament in 1987. For a full history, and list of winners, click here. Along the way there are three major annual international competitions; the Six Nations, the Tri-Nations and the Epson Cup Pacific Rim. The Six Nations tournament was borne out of the Five Nations which is the oldest, and probably most famous, competitive rugby union tournament in the world. It is contested by England, France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and Italy. For more information, and a full history, click here. The Tri-Nations, first contested in 1996, sees New Zealand, South Africa and Australia compete every June/July/August. For more information, and a full history, click here. The Epson Cup, also first contested back in 1996, currently sees Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, USA, Canada and Japan clash each year."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Mar  5, 2002 (04:58)", "body": "more, more. LAWS & REFS Your FAQ's on rugby What are the origins of rugby? There is not definitive history of where rugby came from or when or how. The game is likely to be a amalagamation of soccer and other games including the Eton Wall Game and Winchester football. The most famous and widespread legend on the founding of the game says the game originated at Rugby school in England, when one of the pupils, one William Webb Ellis, picked up the ball during a game of soccer in 1823 and ran with it. Of course the story is most likely apocryphal, since games involving running with ball in hand had existed for centuries before that. Despite the historical unreliablilty of the Webb Ellis story, it has become an enduring part of the game and the Rugby World Cup trophy is named the Webb Ellis Cup. What are the differences between Rugby Union and Rugby League? Rugby union and rugby league are two separate games that evolved from a common rugby origin, and although they share many common features, the differences are marked. Despite their origins, union and league are now best regarded as different sports - though the styles of player and play have become increasingly similar in recent years. The main differences in laws, is that league teams have only 13 players whereas rugby union has 15. In Union line-outs are used to re-start play when the ball goes out of play. The scoring is different too. A League try is worth four points while Union's is valued a five; a drop goal in League counts for just one point while in Union it is worth three; a League penalty clocks up two points and the Union version three but a conversion kick following a try is worth two points in both codes. In League an attacking team can only be tackled six times each attack before the ball is turned over, where as in Union there is unlimited tackles. Rugby League has always been professional, where as payment for players in Union was only legalised in 1995. Why did they split? The original split in 1895 was over the issue of paying players. Rugby Union held out as a strictly amateur sport, ie playing for no financial benefit, whereas rugby league allowed professionalism in the game. The split was very acrimonious and the issue was one of the most divisive issues in the sport. For a 100 years, at least on the surface, the Union code stuck to their principles and steadfastly refused to permit player payments of any kind, including things such as boot sponsorship and book deals. It was also against the union rules on amateurism for union players to be involved in any way with league. Anyone who turned to league to earn a living was banned from playing the Union game ever again. However, as the 20th century progressed the amateur status of the game was under increasing pressure. In August 1995, in the face of widespread abuses (in the form of under the table payments, player trust funds, etc) and pressure from the top players who were being expected to put in many hours of training in an era of increasing media interest in the game, the game's governing body the IRB finally relinquished and rugby union became fully professional at all levels. Where is the game of Rugby Union played? Rugby Union is the more popular code of rugby on a global scale and is played in over 100 countries worldwide. As of 2000, there were 92 official Unions making up the iRB. The traditional powerhouses of rugby union in terms of popularity, numbers of people playing the game and international sucess remain the 'Home Unions' of England, Ireland, Scotland & Wales as well as France, South Africa, New Zealand and Australia. What are the major international competitions? International rugby currently revolves around a cycle building towards the Rugby World Cup, which has been staged in a different host country every four years since the inaugural tournament in 1987. For a full history, and list of winners, click here. Along the way there are three major annual international competitions; the Six Nations, the Tri-Nations and the Epson Cup Pacific Rim. The Six Nations tournament was borne out of the Five Nations which is the oldest, and probably most famous, competitive rugby union tournament in the world. It is contested by England, France, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and Italy. For more information, and a full history, click here. The Tri-Nations, first contested in 1996, sees New Zealand, South Africa and Australia compete every June/July/August. For more information, and a full history, click here. The Epson Cup, also first contested back in 1996, currently sees Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, USA, Canada and Japan clash each year. Who are what is the governing body for rugby, what do they do and where are they based? The governing body for international rugby is the International Rugby board (IRB), who are based in Dublin, Ireland. There website is www.irb.org. The IRB are responsible for deciding and implementing the laws of the game, which can be found here. The IRB are the umbrella or"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Mar  5, 2002 (05:00)", "body": "What is the difference between a tightead and a loosehead prop?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (23:11)", "body": "Hey Neat, Terry!!! Thanks! If you are on cable (yes, you are) and get CNNSI you will see entire rugby games. I got to watch Rob's home town Canterbury team win. Yippee!!!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (23:12)", "body": "Sheesh.....will go look or ask Rob! (re What is the difference between a tightead and a loosehead prop?)"}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar  7, 2002 (23:22)", "body": "Gadzooks! They have Hookers on their teams!!! (Rob doesn't know and I'll have to hunt it up.... good stuff you have posted!!! Source?)"}, {"response": 9, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Jun  5, 2002 (13:56)", "body": "Hi Paul I have read your coments on Rugby which is simler to American football A simple question for anyone? why do the Americans call Football Football when the ball is rarely kicked by the foot? Now soccer as it is known in America is kicked most of the time by the foot and known round the world as football not soccer? So is Soccer football and not American Football?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun  5, 2002 (14:31)", "body": "This isn't the answer but it's interesting: Most modern versions of football, however, originated in England, where a form of the game was known in the 12th century. In subsequent centuries football became so popular that various English monarchs, including Edward II and Henry VI, forbade the game because it took interest away from the military sport of archery. By the middle of the 19th century football had split into two distinct entities. Still popular today, these two sports included the football association game, or soccer (the word being a slang adaptation of the three letters, s-o-c, in Association), and rugby, in which players ran with the ball and tackled. Modern football evolved out of these two sports. http://wwwwbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/user/tiny/fhistory.html"}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jun  5, 2002 (15:45)", "body": "American football is often referred to as gridiron football. It is \"kicked off\" so we called it football. The Aussies call their roganized mayhem \"footie\" so there you go. Rugby is amazing. Soccer I would call \"headball\" if I had to pick a name. It is not kicked all that much, either."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun  5, 2002 (20:41)", "body": "More of interest, but, again, not the answer. Marci has the answer! American football history HISTORY OF AMERICAN FOOTBALL Football historians, those who have studied the game and its origins, place the game\ufffds beginnings in rugby, an English game played with many similarities to football. Rugby began in eighteen twenty-three at the famous Rugby Boys\ufffd School in England. Another cousin of the game of football is soccer, sometimes called association football; its beginnings can also be traced to English origin, being played as early as the eighteen twenties. COLLEGE FOOTBALL: ITS BEGINNINGS At the same time, a group of students at Princeton began playing what was then known as \ufffdballown\ufffd. First using their fists to advance the ball, and then their feet, this game consisted mainly of one goal: to advance the ball past the opposing team. There were no hard and fast rules applied to this earliest attempt at the game we now call football. At Harvard, the freshman and sophomore classes competed in a football-type game, played on the first Monday of each school year; this event came to be known as \ufffdBloody Monday\ufffd because of the roughness of the game. Pick up games, similar in style to that played on \ufffdBloody Monday\ufffd, soon became popular on the Boston Common, catching on in popularity around eighteen sixty. Soon after the end of the American Civil War, around eighteen sixty five, colleges began organizing football games. In eighteen sixty seven, Princeton led the way in establishing some rudimentary rules of the game. Also in that year, the football itself was patented for the very first time. Rutgers College also established a set of rules in eighteen sixty seven, and with the relatively short distance between it and Princeton, a game was decided upon by both universities. A date was chosen, November sixth, eighteen sixty nine; Rutgers won by a score of six goals to four, and thus was played what has become known as the very first intercollegiate football game. In eighteen seventy three, representatives from Columbia, Rutgers, Princeton, and Yale met in New York City to formulate the first intercollegiate football rules for the increasingly popular game, still being played with many of the rules of soccer. These four teams established the Intercollegiate Football Association, and set as fifteen the number of players allowed on each team. Walter Camp, the coach at Yale and a dissenter from the IFA over his desire for an eleven man team, helped begin the final step in the evolution from rugby-style play to the modern game of American football. The IFA\ufffds rules committee, led by Camp, soon cut the number of players from fifteen to eleven, and also instituted the size of the playing field, at one hundred ten yards. In eighteen eighty-two Camp also introduced the system of downs. After first allowing three attempts to advance the ball five yards, in nineteen six it was changed to ten yards. The fourth down was added in nineteen twelve. Tackling below the waist had been legalized in eighteen eighty-eight. Within a decade, concern over the increasing brutality of the game led to its ban by some colleges. Nearly one hundred eighty players had suffered serious injuries, and eighteen deaths had been reported from the brutal mass plays that had become common in practice. In nineteen hundred five, President Theodore Roosevelt called upon Harvard, Princeton, and Yale to help save the sport from demise. At a meeting between the schools, reform was agreed upon, and at a second meeting, attended by more than sixty other schools, the group appointed a seven member Rules Committee and set up what would later become known as the National Collegiate Athletic Association, or the NCAA. From this committee came the legalization of the forward pass, which resulted in a more open style of play on the field. The rough mass plays, which once caused so many serious injuries, and even deaths, were prohibited by the committee. Also prohibited was the locking of arms by teammates in an effort to clear the way for their ball carriers. The length of the game was shortened, from seventy to sixty minutes, and the neutral zone, which separates the teams by the length of the ball before each play begins, was also established. Today, almost one hundred years since the inception of the NCAA, the sport of college football flourishes as one of the most popular of collegiate games. Colleges and universities are placed into three divisions under NCAA guidelines and each division has many conferences. Seasonal and conference play leads to post-season bowl games, where the champions of conferences meet to play in front of a world-wide television audience. Some of these bowls include the Rose Bowl, played on New Year\ufffds Day in Pasadena, California, between the Big Ten and Pacific Ten conference champions. Other bowls include the Orange Bowl in Miami, Florida, the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans, Louisiana, the Cotton Bowl in Dallas, Texas, and the Peach Bowl in Atlanta, "}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun  5, 2002 (20:52)", "body": "Football By default, \"football\" is always taken to mean American football in the USA. European-style football is called soccer to distinguish it from American football. from the American English to British English Dictionary"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun  5, 2002 (21:49)", "body": "It is not soccer, it is FOOTBALL!!! In England: F.C. Liverpool. What does the \"F\" stand for? Football of course!!! In Germany: F.C. Bayern. What does the \"F\" stand for? Fussball(=Football) of course! In Spain: F.C. Barcelona. What does th \"F' stand for? Futbol(=Football) again!!! I assume you already know that there are hundreds of thousands of such examples around Europe (and also South America). There are very few countries which use the word soccer in order to distinguish the sport from some other national sport that is given the same name. This is ok, they can live in their own world if they want, but it is not fair to establish it as an international term through the Internet! The World Wide Web is GLOBAL and all people (except three countries USA,Canada & Australia) around the world call this sport with its right name. Experience has taught me that people who use the term 'soccer' usually (99%) have absolutely no idea about football (or should I call it real football?). I hope that this will be better understood in the future. Pantazis C. Houlis PS -- Yes I have read the article about the origin of the word \"soccer\". It is not actually a matter of origin, it is a matter of understanding the reason of calling it like that. Even the people who invented the word \"soccer\" call it football! I need to add that some people who read this article suddenly become \"experts\" and think that they know everything which is quite disturbing... PS2 -- They should call the barbarian (go for the man-not the ball) immitations of football as \"THROWBALL\", \"HOLDBALL\", \"CHASEBALL\", \"TACKLEBALL\", \"EATBALL\", \"SQUEEZEBALL\", \"TIME-OUT-BALL\", \"ANIMAL-INSTICT-BALL\" or \"WHACKBALL\". PS3 -- By the way, these immitations don't even use a round ball, they use an OVOID! Back to Europe's best clubs from http://www.maths.uwa.edu.au/~pandahou/realfoot.html"}, {"response": 15, "author": "waichiefs", "date": "Mon, Jun 24, 2002 (03:06)", "body": "Gidday...I've been referred to this board to maybe help out in some explanations and to spread the word on what a great game Rugby is. Answers to some of the above questions... The props...The key part of the game for props is the scrum. The tighhead prop is the cornerstone of the scrum. The hooker binds on him and as the scrum forms and \"hits\" the tighthead has his head wedged in betwen the oppositions loosehead prop and hooker. As such the tighthead needs to keep his back straight, his hea"}, {"response": 16, "author": "waichiefs", "date": "Mon, Jun 24, 2002 (03:11)", "body": "his head up and looking forward and have enough strenght to hold his hooker as the hooker strikes for the ball. The loose head is on the the otherside (left) of the scrum and he pushes against the oppositions tighthead prop. His head isn't wedged and the position requires more technique as well as strength. Its his job to push and slighty raise the opposition prop so the hooker has a clearer strike at the ball. Props are big, usually around the 110kg to 125kg size. Normally just under six foot though they are tending to be taller in most international teams these days. A great position and the grinders of the team that give the glory boys in the backs the platform to do their stuff."}, {"response": 17, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Aug 18, 2002 (23:00)", "body": "Thanks for the elucidation on the fine art of getting the bejabbers kicked out of your shins. I still say it looks like a mobile spider. Quite a show and fun to watch, it is far more complex and exciting than one might think. And, they play it without pads!! Aloha to the Aussie expert. Do you play?"}, {"response": 18, "author": "waichiefs", "date": "Thu, Sep 19, 2002 (04:54)", "body": "Thanks for the Canadian welcome...no I'm not Australian, I'm a Kiwi, I did play but restrict it to the odd appearance or social rugby now. My position was hooker. Rugby is actually a simple game made too complex by some of the people that play it."}, {"response": 19, "author": "waichiefs", "date": "Thu, Sep 19, 2002 (04:55)", "body": "P.S...most of the smart ones wear soccer shin pads."}, {"response": 20, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Dec 23, 2002 (21:58)", "body": "Oooh, another Kiwi! If you go to Geo conference one of my most eager posters goes to Canterbury and lives in Christchurch. Where are you? He actually listened to a cricket game with me.... me on short wave radio and he on the local radio. Aloha!"}, {"response": 21, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sun, Jul 27, 2003 (08:36)", "body": "Hi all Hehehehehe!!!!! Tis a bad time to be an Australian sportsperson - beaten by their oldest rival in the Netball World Cup final, steamrolled by the All Blacks last night.... hmmmmmmm this is looking good. It has been a fantastic week for New Zealand sport, but none more so than on the netball courts and the rugby fields. To beat the Australians in any of their traditional sports is one thing, but to win a World Cup Final against them and then steamroll them again 5 days later is something completely different again. Rugby enthusiasts will tell you that the All Blacks must be on to something when they cream the Springboks one week, and then take the mickey out of the World Champions the following. You know you done something significant in the rugby world when the Sydney Morning swarms over the Australians like angry hornets. http://rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/27/1059084280542.html Rob"}, {"response": 22, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sun, Jul 27, 2003 (08:39)", "body": "Hi all With the World Cup in October you should be watching this space. I will try to post stuff in a respectable time frame or alternatively watch the Sydney Morning Heralds Rugby Heaven: http://rugbyheaven.smh.com.au Rob"}, {"response": 23, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sun, Jul 27, 2003 (08:44)", "body": "Hi all Terry can you please create a Netball conference, so I can introduce what I currently think is one of the most exciting sports on Earth to the Spring folk. Thanks Rob"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jul 27, 2003 (10:37)", "body": "Will you write the intro in the next post and I'll create it. Of course, you can create it yourself if you like. But I'll be more than happy to do it once I get your intro to copy and paste in to the introduction."}, {"response": 25, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (00:38)", "body": "Hi all I asked Marcia last time we talked, and I thought you had to set the Sports subjects. Anyway here is the title and blurb: \"Netball - Basketball's little sis\" - A predominantly women's sport similar to basketball in more ways than one. Thanks Rob"}, {"response": 26, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (03:54)", "body": "Hi Glad to see that the All Blacks beat Australia. As a Springbok supporter, any team that beats them is okay to me. (Never minde the 16-52 beating we took from the All Blacks!). Leigh"}, {"response": 27, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (05:17)", "body": "Kia Ora Leigh, good to hear from you. I hear one of your batsmen has amassed 277 during the South African innings against England while Herschelle Gibbs added another 178 or something like that? Impressive. How does RSA rate it's chances at the World Cup based on current play? I pick on current play NZ, England and France in the semi's with either Australia or South Africa taking the fourth position. England have come of age and have two very fast backs Dad tells me. Last thing. Did the South African press cover much of the Netball? I have been trying to gauge reaction to New Zealand doing what no one has done against Australia for 16 years - win a Netball World Cup final. Cheers Rob"}, {"response": 28, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (06:27)", "body": "one of your batsmen has amassed 277 Yes, our new captain - Graham Smith. He took over the captaincy from Shaun Pollock in a way which upset the country, but he has proven that he's got what it takes. RSA rate ... World Cup based on current play Don't even ask. Before NZ beat us, Australia beat us, and the week before that Scotland gave us a good scare - we won, but only because the ref made some questionable descisions. The coaches etc, think that we're already in the final and don't see any problems!! South African press cover much of the Netball? Not at all. Netball (local and international) is given about 1 hour a week on TV. The sponsorship isn't good, and so no coverage."}, {"response": 29, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (08:09)", "body": "So, what part of South Africa do you hail from? I hail from Christchurch in the South Island of New Zealand (Canterbury Crusaders country if you follow the Super 12 competition). New Zealand and South Africa have had good sporting contact since Apartheid ended, and the South Africans have always impressed, be it in cricket or rugby. What sports do you follow? Rob"}, {"response": 30, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (08:27)", "body": "I live in Centurion, Pretoria - as in the Cricket Stadium, Centurion Park (1.2km or 10 minutes walk away). Cricket, Rugby, Hockey and Grandprix are the sports our family follows almost religiously. We have followed the Super 12 for a few years now, but need I mention how the SA teams fare??? Cricket is a family favourite and my brother played for Northens (mid 80's) where he became good friends with Eric Simons - now the SA Coach, so we eagerly watch to see how the team is doing. They are more consistant winners than the rugby team, so easier to support. Australia is our greatest rival, they beat us everytime (cricket, rugby, hockey - whatever!) NZ, well, can I take you back to the 1996 rugby World Cup which SA won over NZ with a drop goal in the last minute? Ever since then, we can only beat you at Cricket. By the way the 16-52 loss to NZ was a joke, Seriously, 1652 was the year South Africa was founded by Van Riebeek, and that's when our rugby problems for the above game started."}, {"response": 31, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Jul 28, 2003 (09:25)", "body": "Last comment before I hit the sack (1.AM here). I do not follow Grandprix, so you will have to enlighten us. I usually do not follow rugby much but my family hosted a friend from Canada in the summer and early autumn, so I am starting to get used to it a bit more and am more accepting it's place in New Zealand. That said, I favour cricket and netball. Cricket because I grew up playing it and my Dad went to school with former Kiwi pace bowler Sir Richard Hadlee. I have been to several internationals at Jade Stadium (hosts cricket in the summer and rugby in the winter) against Australia (2x), Pakistan, India, and the West Indies. I started following netball when Christchurch hosted the 1999 World Championships, whose final New Zealand lost by one point with about 3 seconds on the clock against Australia. 2000 was a rebuilding year but we won a tri-nations series against Australia and South Africa in the latter part of that year. 2001 saw the shock dumping of the coach, and several Silver Ferns retire. In 2002 we played Australia and lost against them in double extra time 57-55. I think the tide in international netball changed with that game. Australia started making mistakes and (shock, horror)got beaten by the Jamaicans, barely survived a tight series against England, and did not dare play New Zealand. New Zealand ran in the opposite direction. We got beaten by the Jamaicans only because of biased umpiring, put away the English comfortably and drowned one of the South Pacific nations by about 80 points. I will tell the rest of the story later. Cheers Rob"}, {"response": 32, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Wed, Jul 30, 2003 (06:30)", "body": "Kia Ora If you get the time here is what I would like you to say for the Netball topic: \"Netball\" - A 7-aside game similar to basketball Thanks Rob"}, {"response": 33, "author": "Leah", "date": "Thu, Jul 31, 2003 (09:45)", "body": "South Africa and Australia meet on Saturday for a Tri-Nations game. Both teams have been thrashed by New Zealand in the last two games of the series. South Africa is going in with a whole 'new look' team in the hopes of trying to win a match against Australia."}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (03:42)", "body": "Are you in one of these countries Leah?"}, {"response": 35, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (03:44)", "body": "Yes, South Africa"}, {"response": 36, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (03:54)", "body": "Wow, we used to have a regular here from SA (Riette), what's life like for you there?"}, {"response": 37, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (04:04)", "body": "Okay. (Usually). I live in a suburb of the capital, which is your average westernised city. Last night our power was cut for 3 hours because someone (takes more than one person) stole an underground electricity cable, but other than that life is normal. Electricity is a luxury, and most of the black townships don't have - therefore theft of cables to make illegal link-ups to the main grid, results in deaths - as the cables are then 'live' and lie in the open."}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (04:13)", "body": "That's pretty scary that folks are stealing live electric cables. Do you have backup power? How frequent are these man caused outages?"}, {"response": 39, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (04:22)", "body": "Do you have backup power? Not power, but we resort to a gas bottle if need be. How frequent are these man caused outages? This year there has been 6, just in our city. Around the country it happens at least once a week. It hits the news when someone dies, as then the authorities try to send an educational advert out saying please don't do it. I think many people here underestimate the power of electricity."}, {"response": 40, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (04:28)", "body": "What size city are you in? Is it more prevalent (wire theft) in the larger cities?"}, {"response": 41, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (04:41)", "body": "What size city are you in? Pretoria is about the equivalent of Dallas (of what I can remember from the TV program) , with a population of 1.5 million Is it more prevalent (wire theft) in the larger cities? Mostly in the smaller regions or outlying areas. In the main cities, the cables are usually protected in secured areas."}, {"response": 42, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (04:45)", "body": "So are you a rugby player yourself? Do you hang around with rugby players?"}, {"response": 43, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (04:53)", "body": "No, I definately do not play rugby!! Very rough macho sport, but I'm married to a dedicated fan, who played on a provincial level in the 80's, for the Blue Bulls."}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (05:00)", "body": "So you do hang around with a rugby fan who's not a player? What is the appeal of the sport for you?"}, {"response": 45, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (05:56)", "body": "We're a sports mad country! Saturday afternoons are traditionally spent watching TV or attending a game. In order to spend time with my husband, I've had to adapt to supporting sporting events."}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (10:08)", "body": "Rugby is popular as a local team sport here in Austin. But you rarely see it on tv. So there it has the status of football in the US?"}, {"response": 47, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sun, Aug  3, 2003 (03:34)", "body": "Kia Ora from another sports mad country.... I hear Makhaya Ntini and Graeme Smith made a mess of the English batting in the cricket test? 2 double centuries is something I think even Sir Donald Bradman from Oz had trouble getting. The media made it sound like SA merely went for a stroll in the park and hit some big scores along the way... :o) From Terry in the previous message: \"So there it has the status of football in the US?\" Rugby is to NZ, Australia, England, France and South Africa what NFL is to you. Difference is rugby (or at least the Southern Hemisphere style)is a more free flowing game rather than the set piece plays of the NFL. I am not a rugby fan, though I will watch occasionally, but my Dad watches most games along with Mum (my brother usually watches it with his mates). Rob"}, {"response": 48, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Aug  4, 2003 (02:17)", "body": "South Africa has had a mixed weekend with the cricket and rugby. We have excelled on the cricket pitch!. We are very proud of our team and are just sorry that they have only managed this level of excelence AFTER the world cup, but that was anyway a different game - 1 day matches. But on the other end of the scale is the fiasco of a rugby game we tried to play. Not only did we lose, but dirty play was involved. The Tri-Nations has turned into Cry-Nations tournament for us. We still have to face New Zealand again on Saturday and many SA supporters just wish it was behind us - how much worse can it get. Of course, the management etc say that they don't want to 'peak' before the World Cup - what a joke!!"}, {"response": 49, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Aug  4, 2003 (03:16)", "body": "Kia Ora The Aussies as I understand the state of affairs with the dirty claims, have yet to show evidence. Was there evidence of eye gouging and the like? I cannot say because I was at my brother Craig's 21st birthday and was not near a TV screen all night. 682/6 is a HUGE score. Be warned England can hit big responses when under pressure, but the likelihood of them matching the deficit is low I would imagine given how test pitches invariably deterioate over the course of the game. Now, anyway. I was wondering about how much of this following assessment you would agree with 2 months out from the World Cup? It is a ranked list of where I think the teams are likely to end up in the finals: For the Quarter Finals: New Zealand, England, France, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Fiji, Italy For the Semi Finals: New Zealand, Australia, England, South Africa For the Final: England, New Zealand For the World Cup: Not willing to call a shot. It is not that I do not have confidence, or am taking the easy way out, but it is too soon to tell what might happen. Rob"}, {"response": 50, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Aug  4, 2003 (03:59)", "body": "Don't know so much if SA will reach the Semi's,(this based on current performance). I'd like to see Scotland and or Wales in the Quarters. I haven't seen much of Fiji lately."}, {"response": 51, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Tue, Aug  5, 2003 (05:24)", "body": "Kia Ora What do South Africans do in the stadium when the All Blacks perform the Haka? Aussies start singing Waltzing Matilda, and the English I think sing God save the Queen. In New Zealand for obvious reasons we do not do anything: we want you to hear it LOUD AND CLEAR. Rob"}, {"response": 52, "author": "Leah", "date": "Tue, Aug  5, 2003 (05:29)", "body": "What do South Africans do in the stadium when the All Blacks perform the Haka? I know that once the players started walking towards the All Blacks - I think it was in the rugby world cup final which we won. In the stadium we sing 'Shosho losa' which is an African miners working song. We also have a Zulu Warrior (in full traditional dress) that stands on the field to protect our players, but he seems very ineffectual..."}, {"response": 53, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Wed, Aug  6, 2003 (04:24)", "body": "Kia Ora So, Leigh. If you make time to spend with your husband watching sport, does he reward you in return for faithfully sitting next to him while the footy or other sports are on? Mum and Dad both watch the rugby, and we have been to see a couple of the Crusaders games. Saw the Crusaders play the Bulls in 2000 who got beaten by something like 40 points, and the New South Wales Waratahs. Dad and I sometimes go to see the Black Caps play during the NZ cricket season (last time I think was when Australia came over and had a run-fest at Jade Stadium - scored 340 or something like that in an ODI, and we scored about 310 in response). Rob"}, {"response": 54, "author": "Leah", "date": "Wed, Aug  6, 2003 (04:40)", "body": "does he reward you in return for faithfully sitting next to him while the footy or other sports are on? Yes, he knows as much about Colin Firth (see Drool) as I do!"}, {"response": 55, "author": "Leah", "date": "Wed, Aug  6, 2003 (04:41)", "body": "I see that the All Black team for Saturday's game at Duneden against the Springboks has 5 or 6 changes. Is this good or bad for New Zealand to change a team that has won it's last few matches as a walkover?"}, {"response": 56, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug  6, 2003 (10:55)", "body": "Wow, there a team named Springboks? That sounds good! Tell me more about that team, ok?"}, {"response": 57, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Aug  7, 2003 (00:46)", "body": "Kia Ora With due respect Drool is not my cup of tea - hence my deafening silence there. If you were to go to Geo, you would find that I am very active there because earth sciences and in particular earthquakes and volcanoes have interested me since I was little. Rob"}, {"response": 58, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Aug  7, 2003 (00:49)", "body": "Me again I think some of the changes may be for the better. Our kicking department is lacking a person who can play the tactical game, and while Andrew Mehrtens would be preferred to Carlos Spencer I think because Mehrtens is an old hand, Mitchell wants to find someone to replace him when he retires. He has not announced it yet, but what is there to say he will not? Rob"}, {"response": 59, "author": "Leah", "date": "Thu, Aug  7, 2003 (06:53)", "body": "Wow, there a team named Springboks? That sounds good! Tell me more about that team, ok? Springboks = South African national team, named after a buck (bokkie) found in abundance in all our National parks. When apartheid ended, attempts were made by the new government to change the name from Springboks to Proteas, but this has failed, as in international rugby, the Springboks are recognised as South Africa. (Same as New Zealand is known as All Blacks)"}, {"response": 60, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Aug  8, 2003 (04:05)", "body": "Kia Ora Leah, the media here are saying that the Boks are headed for oblivion and silly things like that all because they are in a bad patch. They seem to have forgotten all teams have a bad period from time to time - the All Blacks were ridiculed in the late 1990s for their Bledisloe Cup and Tri-nations form yet now they are one of the hot favourites for this years World Cup. If you want my take: I do not buy the garbage for one second. South Africa is a formidable outfit to take on even on the best of days, and he who writes them off this early is dead wrong on all accounts. All teams have their bad days - South Africa will be back. Rob"}, {"response": 61, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug  8, 2003 (04:29)", "body": "All teams have their bad days - South Africa will be back. Have to agree with you, but Saturday is another 'test' for us. The headlines today are still reporting on the 16-52 loss. Remember, this loss was a home game for us, this weekend we are playing in Dunedin. It is going to be a tough game for us. We will be watching on Saturday morning (I think our time 09:30) and hoping that the team can at least play a proper game of rugby!"}, {"response": 62, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Aug  9, 2003 (03:00)", "body": "Hi all Starts about 1930 hours here, and it is clear and cold in Dunedin I understand from listening to the weather report. At the time of typing this it was 1904 hours. Good luck Rob"}, {"response": 63, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Aug  9, 2003 (05:59)", "body": "Good game Leah? I thought SA played well. Dad, who is more into the game than I, was impressed with the try scored by SA in the first half. I think (and hope)that this game silenced a few critics of the SA team, who Justin Marshall recognised as having made significant inroads since the 52-16 scoreline. Have a good weekend. Rob"}, {"response": 64, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Aug 11, 2003 (04:49)", "body": "We did play well, but we still lost! (at least 11-19 is better than 16-52)"}, {"response": 65, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Tue, Aug 12, 2003 (01:19)", "body": "Kia Ora It was a good reality check for the \"experts\" who like to think that they know about the game and all the technical aspects. Why? Because I am a self confessed novice in rugby gameplay, teams, positions and everything else and I was correct in my prediction that SA would play better. Rob"}, {"response": 66, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 12, 2003 (09:58)", "body": "That makes me a subnovice!"}, {"response": 67, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Aug 15, 2003 (04:59)", "body": "Hi all Rugby has not always been popular in New Zealand, especially in 1981 when the Springbok Tour as it is known here caused massive civil disorder. Many people including current MPs led campaigns of peaceful civil disobedience like blocking roads and bridges. There were violent demonstrations in every city that the South Africans toured, and as the tournament moved up the country protests got progressively bigger with thousands marching by the time it reached Wellington. Why? South Africa's Apartheid meant the SA team was only of white people whereas New Zealand included players of many heritages from around the South Pacific. Basically like other nations peoples New Zealanders resented Apartheid, and especially the decision of Prime Minister Robert Muldoon to permit the tour. Let me give you a run down, city by city of what was happening during that fateful tour in a country normally known to be peaceful and friendly. The tour started in Dunedin at Carisbrook (known also as the \"House of Pain\")where hundreds marched in protest. The game went ahead I think, but there was widespread anger voiced in all centres. Dunedin has a population of 110,000 people and with the exception of Hamilton was the smallest of the cities where games were played. In Christchurch at what was then known as Lancaster Park (now Jade Stadium), thousands marched. Police set up barricades around the park and shuttled people in and out to prevent disruption of the game. Protests turned violent when marchers met supporters of the game outside the stadium and police had to intervene. I am not sure of what coverage this received overseas (Leah? what coverage was available in SA?). With a population of 310,000 people then, Christchurch was an ominous indicator of things to come - if barricades were being needed after only two games what would happen when the tour reached Auckland? Trouble escalated further in Wellington. By now protests were an almost daily event, and in Wellington the protest became running battles with objects being thrown at the police who were unlucky in that they were merely charged with keeping the peace. Thousands descended on Parliament and hundreds more went to try to disrupt the game at Athletic Park. With a population of 450,000 there was plenty of potential trouble. But now things really really heated up. Police in Hamilton were told to take a no holds barred approach and the protesters began wearing motor cycle helmets and carrying cricket bats. In the inevitable clashes that followed letter boxes were ripped out, scores were injured. The game started, stopped when the crowd became hostile, started again and then stopped for good when riot police entered the grounds because word had leaked of a pitch invasion impending. Finally the tour reached Auckland, and most agree albeit for different reasons that the tour should have been called off by now. If Hamilton was a shambles, Auckland was an utter nightmare. The civil disobedience was peaking and a no go zone around Eden Park had to be constructed to keep the riots that everyone knew were going to come from reaching the stadium. Even before the game started, it was in trouble. A light aircraft had been circling the stadium dropping leaflets into the crowd, and when it flew off, the crowd became noisy and angry. The game started for reasons as no one quite knew why because trouble was just around the corner... The light aircraft that had been circling the stadium dropping leaflets, now came back with something more troublesome - flour bombs. The aircraft circled the stadium once before several bombs were dropped out of the aircraft onto the field. At that stage the crowd roared their approval and people from both the pro and anti factions began entering the field enmasse. Riot police had been deployed but they struggled to contain the seething mass that was entering the field. The tour was off. There was no point in playing the remaining games when the host country had virtually gone to war with itself. For 20 years few spoke about the Springbok tour, though now we are finally coming to terms with those few crazy weeks in 1981 when for a time NZ was almost at war. Rob"}, {"response": 68, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug 15, 2003 (07:53)", "body": "Yeah, I remember the 1981 tour the Springboks took to NZ. It was news headlines on TV and newspapers. Politics vs sport and politics IN sport - a debate South Africa hasn't managed to get over yet."}, {"response": 69, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Aug 15, 2003 (08:37)", "body": "Kia Ora I think we found Apartheid repulsive because we were conscious of the history behind the colonisation of New Zealand by the British and the potentially destructive effects, opening old wounds from that time would have on NZ. There is rigorous debate today and which will possibly always go on forever about Maori indigenous rights and ownership of natural resources. The Government needs to legislate to avoid alienating the European population, but to avoid falling out with Maori they have to be seen to be supporting their claims to ownership. Sport is a bit different. I think we have grown up since the crazy days of 1981 or at least I HOPE we have grown up from that sort of lunacy. Given our tolerance of other cultures I think it would be a damning indictment if we have not learnt the lessons. Nelson Mandela was immensely popular when NZ hosted the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, and most see him as a symbol. New Zealanders are not well known for turning out en masse to see politicians and figureheads, but a lot of people went to Auckland to see Mandela. Just wondering. Does having Mugabe's Zimbabwe on your border cause any concern given his utter contempt for all things democratic and/or Western? Rob"}, {"response": 70, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Aug 18, 2003 (03:55)", "body": "Kia Ora Been a great weekend for New Zealand rugby. We have now taken the Bledisloe Cup off the Australians as well, and next stop is Australian Rugby Union in November to get the Holy Grail of Rugby: THE WORLD CUP. Ka rita (rising voice)... KA RITA (rising voice) .... Rob"}, {"response": 71, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Aug 18, 2003 (08:38)", "body": "Congrats on winning the Rugby. You're right that your next stop will be the trip to pick up the World cup. No team is going to beat NZ in their current form. Good luck from a Bok supporter"}, {"response": 72, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Aug 18, 2003 (09:20)", "body": "Kia Ora I would not write off the other teams yet. They might be struggling to match the All Blacks at the moment but I have haunting memories of when we let France off the hook in 1999 - it cost us the Semi-final. I mean we played like madmen said one Australian, and then for reasons as god only knows we just slacked off big time in the second half. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid... Rob"}, {"response": 73, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Wed, Aug 27, 2003 (07:12)", "body": "Kia Ora Leah, did you get my response to that e-mail you sent? Rob"}, {"response": 74, "author": "Leah", "date": "Wed, Aug 27, 2003 (09:09)", "body": "Hi Rob Yes, I got your last email, and have just replied. - Sorry for the delay."}, {"response": 75, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Aug 28, 2003 (02:31)", "body": "Kia Ora All Blacks have announced their 30 man \"Win the World Cup or else\" squad. Big names are missing like Andrew Mehrtens, Jonah Lomu, Taine Randell, Anton Oliver, among others. Captain is Reuben Thorne, and the Vice Captain is Tana Umaga. Justin Marshall, Ben Blair, Corey Flynn, Joe Rokocoko, Doug Howlett, Daniel Carter, Carlos Spencer are all in. Spencer is someone I would have left in on the condition that Andrew Mehrtens went as a stand in because his kicking is second grade, and my fear is that if crucial games in the semifinals and (I assume)the final came down to kicking goals then we would lose. Rob"}, {"response": 76, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Aug 28, 2003 (03:02)", "body": "Me again When will SA name it's squad for the World Cup? Rob"}, {"response": 77, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Aug 29, 2003 (01:22)", "body": "The SA team is on a training camp this week, and on Saturday the squad will be announced. Already there is speculation as to who will be picked, as the government has laid down a few criteria for the team, and it seems performance is not top on their list. (performance is not on the players list either, but that is an issue our current SA team and management doesn't seem to bother about!)"}, {"response": 78, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Aug 29, 2003 (06:18)", "body": "Kia Ora No matter Leigh. New Zealand will if we have any sense go into the RWC assuming South Africa is saving it's best for the World Cup competition. The World Cup is make or break for NZ, Australia and South Africa because our countrymen will accept nothing less than a world cup victory. Bit like walking a tight rope over an alligator pit or a den of hungry lions... Rob"}, {"response": 79, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Sep  4, 2003 (05:40)", "body": "Hi all The Aussies have named their squad to defend the trophy that they won in 1999 against France. Interesting to note a few people missing, but that other big names are in there are still some relative unknowns in the team. Leigh, if the Kiwis do the Haka, the Aussies \"Waltzing Matilda\" (which some rugby kill-joy tried to get banned from the 2003 cup), what do South African supporters do? For those in the States and elsewhere who are not familiar with patriotism at rugby, the mood or atmosphere of big rugby matches is often defined culturally. For example the Australians LOVE singing \"Waltzing Matilda\", and to hear 50,000 voices in the stands all singing the same tune at once is a very powerful sound. To hear the All Black captain winding up the team before they perform the Haka and the ferocious chant that follows is spine tingling for any opposition, and it is what makes rugby so immensely popular. A variant of the Haka that former captain Taine Randell introduced in 1998 is particularly powerful. Just before they start, he turned towards the players and gave them the following call in Maori: \"Ka rita.... KA RITA....\" Rob"}, {"response": 80, "author": "Leah", "date": "Thu, Sep  4, 2003 (06:07)", "body": "The South African team was announced on Saturday, but what drama ! Two players had a \"disagreement\", and the press picked up on it. Unfortunately one player was black and one white, so the government, rugby officials, press etc all assumed it was a racial 'disagreement' and both players were excluded from the team. Now there are enquiries and allegations by lawyers from both sides, as to be labeled a 'racist' in South Africa will end your career in sport (and anywhere else) immediately. Oh what joy we have when sport has to endure political pressure. Our team has enough to worry about without outside influences. The only player who will make 2003 his 3rd world cup is Joost van der Westhuizen."}, {"response": 81, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Sep  5, 2003 (06:17)", "body": "Kia Ora You are right. The media swooped on it like a vulture, and it made the sports news here for two nights running. Question. I assume South Africa has a rigorous punishment system for lunatics like the moron who attacked the referee in that All Black-SA game last year? In New Zealand I think morons like him would be photographed, and mugshots distributed to security at all international venues. Alcohol cannot be bought onto the grounds and on site food and drink vendors are told to turn away drunks. ---- Have you heard, aside from by me, that a kill joy official tried to ban Waltzing Matilda from being sung at the World Cup. How is that for lunacy? Believe me Leigh, I would sooner join the Aussies singing Waltzing Matilda at an international rugby match against New Zealand than I would let someone ban the song. Rob"}, {"response": 82, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Sep 22, 2003 (10:11)", "body": "Only now seen the above post. The moron became a 'national hero'. Seriously, he has paid the fine that was set against the crime, and has stated that he has bought tickets for the World cup, and is on his way to Australia. I just hope that he behaves himself, as the world will once again be watching. However, I do hope that the referees are going to be fair and consistant in their games - South Africa needs all the help they can get. After all the political/racial problems facing the Boks in the past few weeks, they have been rated No 4 by one of the sponsors - so there is hope for us still."}, {"response": 83, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 23, 2003 (18:57)", "body": "Is there some kind of rugby world cup going on in Australia?"}, {"response": 84, "author": "Leah", "date": "Thu, Sep 25, 2003 (01:04)", "body": "Not yet - starts on 10 October, and the final will be on 22 November, with LOTS of games inbetween. South Africa is rated No 4, but who knows what happens in these tournaments."}, {"response": 85, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Sep 26, 2003 (06:47)", "body": "Hi all England has the Lion as it's symbol, the Aussies have the Kangaroo, the South Africans the Springbok, the Kiwi have as the name suggests... so what do France have? Terry, msg #83 \"Is there some kind of rugby world cup going on in Australia?\" It has not started yet as Leah mentioned, and it is THE Rugby World Cup - the ONLY Rugby World Cup. This is a truly international competition as my next post will make very clear. October 10 is the day. Rob"}, {"response": 86, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Oct 10, 2003 (07:31)", "body": "Kia Ora It has started. The Rugby World Cup 2003 is underway. I think Fox is showing coverage of the competition on their sports channel. 20 nations, one trophy. http://www.foxsportsworld.com/rugby Who will win the 2003 Rugby World Cup competition: Will the dark horse of France emerge? Will the English Lion roar? Will the Wallabies give their opponents an over dose of \"Waltzing Matlida\"? Will the Springboks run wild? OR Will the night go All Black? Rob"}, {"response": 87, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Oct 10, 2003 (07:44)", "body": "Hi The All Blacks have a tough game (which they should win) tomorrow against Italy, and later in the day... The Boks are going to tackle Uruguay - which should be a win for South Africa ! We will watch and wait to see what happens, because weaker teams than this have beaten us."}, {"response": 88, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Oct 11, 2003 (05:26)", "body": "Hi all That was a fairly straight forward match. NZ won 70-7 to Italy. John Kirwan is coaching the Italian team - you might recall his name from the early 1990s and late 1980s when he was holding the No. 14 jersey for the All Blacks. When are the Boks going for Uruguay? I know a couple from Uruguay who did their post graduate degrees at Canterbury University where I am doing a degree in Geography. I did not know that Uruguay played rugby (though with Argentina just across the River Plate from them I suppose that that is not so surprising), just I was unaware that Romania played it until I arrived at Grandma's place where she and a cousin of mine that I was visiting were watching the opening moments of Romania-Ireland. Ireland won if you did not see it and France plays Fiji shortly. THAT will be interesting. Rob"}, {"response": 89, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Oct 13, 2003 (01:27)", "body": "South Africa played Uruguay just after the New Zealand game, and we WON ! also by a huge margin, but it was expected. (if we had lost this game, our team would have flown home already) What happened to Carlos Spencer? He missed so many kicks. But apart from this NZ had a good game."}, {"response": 90, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Oct 13, 2003 (04:13)", "body": "Kia Ora That is Carlos living up to the doubt many including myself cast on him when Mitchell picked the team several weeks ago. I think Mitchell should have gone with Andrew Mehrtens who has a consistently good record kicking the ball for penalties and goals. I am more interested in Tana Umaga, skipper of the Wellington Hurricanes and All Black Vice Captain - he has a bad knee injury and may miss the rest of the tourney. This would be troublesome because Umaga is a consistently good player and has values that all sportsmen and women should uphold - great sportsmanship and fair play. To be fair we have a powerful squad for the World Cup, something about which few have any doubts. But, I would have preferred to give Christian Cullen, Anton Oliver and Mehrts spots in place of some of the people that have currently gone. The most powerful team is the team that wins when all the players are on song. This is something the Silver Ferns demonstrated to the world at the Netball World Championships. Rob"}, {"response": 91, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Oct 16, 2003 (05:55)", "body": "Kia Ora Terry. I was wondering if you would be so good as to create the following topic for the Sport conference. TITLE: \"Rugby World Cup 2003\" BLURB: \"20 Nations, 48 games in 44 days. There can be only ONE WINNER...\" I would appreciate it if you could do that, thanks. Rob"}, {"response": 92, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Oct 17, 2003 (05:25)", "body": "Kia Ora Leah, good luck in the Lion's den!!! Rob ---- World Sports - AFP Springboks and England ready to light World Cup touchpaper 2 hours, 21 minutes ago PERTH, Australia (AFP) - The first-phase phoney war of the Rugby World Cup is set for a bone-jarring interruption here Saturday when England and South Africa collide in a crucial heavyweight contest. After a week dominated by mis-matches and record scorelines, a sell-out crowd of 43,000 will pack into the Subiaco Oval for a long-awaited Pool C game where the World Cup aspirations of both sides are on the line. The stakes are high. The victors can start making hotel arrangements for a semi-final in Sydney on November 16. For the losers, a daunting quarter-final against the All Blacks awaits. England, who are seeking to become the first northern hemisphere team to lift the Webb Ellis Cup, will start as favourites against a Springbok side who they crushed by a record 53-3 margin at Twickenham last year. That game exploded into violence when South African lock Jannes Labuschagne was sent off for a dangerous late tackle on England fly-half Jonny Wilkinson. Both camps have been at pains this week to play down the chances of a similarly spiteful encounter this time around -- but are nevertheless preparing for a ferocious physical battle. \"Rugby is a physical game -- and we're going to play a physical game,\" said South Africa scrum-half Joost van der Westhuizen, who wins his 86th cap. Springboks lock Victor Matfield, a 6ft 7in (2.01m) former chorister who is the workhorse of the South African engine room, knows what is needed for victory. \"We have to dominate them physically,\" the 26-year-old said. \"In any game against a big team, you have to beat their forwards. Against England its especially important because they have such a big pack.\" England's experienced pack -- which averages more than 40 caps per head -- will be ready to fight fire with fire. \"They pride themselves on being big-hitters,\" said England's captain Martin Johnson. \"We pride ourselves on being a physical side too,\" added Johnson, who will lead a full-strength XV after several players injured in the 84-6 opening win over Georgia recovered. No.8 Lawrence Dallaglio cast doubt on whether South Africa would resort to the tactics used at Twickenham last year. \"There's been a lot of talk about the Twickenham game but that was a complete one-off in my opinion,\" said Dallaglio. \"We know they're hard and physical but there's nothing wrong with that -- it's one of the reasons we all play the game.\" Dallaglio said neither team could afford to transgress, with each side possessing accurate goalkickers in Wilkinson and South Africa's Louis Koen who could be relied upon to convert penalties into points. \"Self-discipline is something we speak about a lot,\" he said. \"We like to play physical, we like to play tough -- but it's got to be within the law. \"You cannot win matches at international level if you don't have discipline throughout your team. Teams that don't adhere to that run the risk of losing.\" South Africa captain Corne Krige echoed Dallaglio's warning. \"Discipline is very high on our list and has been for a year,\" Krige said. \"Our penalty count has come down this year. Team manager Gideon Sam defused talk of another bad-tempered match in more colourful language. \"It will not be a Korean war, nor a Boer war, nor any other war,\" Sam said. The build-up has seen England's tactics questioned, with a furore over the legality of the favourites' successful rolling maul ploy and perceived tendency to slow down play at the tackle area. Springbok coach Rudolf Straeuli would not confirm if he planned to discuss the maul with referee Peter Marshall but said he planned to hold a wide-ranging pre-match meeting with the Australian official. \"I will be raising a lot of issues with the referee, but I'm not going into details,\" said Straueli. Straueli has named a side containing just two players -- skipper Krige and flanker Joe van Niekerk -- who played in the trouncing at Twickenham. Krige returns to the team after missing the opening 72-6 win against Uruguay and Straeuli said he was encouraged that both his captain and van der Westhuizen looked sharp. \"To topple the top team in the world they've got to be at their best and they need a bit of luck as well,\" Straeuli said. \"But experienced players like Corne and Joost are starting to hit form which is a good sign.\" Van der Westhuizen, the sole survivor of South Africa's 1995 World Cup-winning team, meanwhile said the squad wanted to use the game to silence their critics. \"We've said all along that we want to do our talking on the pitch,\" the 32-year-old van der Westhuizen said. \"Saturday gives us the opportunity to be heard.\""}, {"response": 93, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Oct 17, 2003 (05:45)", "body": "Thanks Rob, we're going to need all the luck we can get - an Aussie ref doesn't really help our cause! The game is going to be played at 13:30 (lunch time on Saturday) and a lunch time braai (traditional boere kos) has been arranged by friends - so we'll be about 20 adults acting like 2 year olds for the duration. For the losers, a daunting quarter-final against the All Blacks awaits. of course if the 'boks lose, we still would need to win our other matches (against Samoa and Georgia) for the quarter-final to become a reality ;-)"}, {"response": 94, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Oct 18, 2003 (04:23)", "body": "Hi all We won against Canada, but still cannot answer the critics when it come to reducing their error rate. http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2697047a1823,00.html I hope that the game does not flare up like the last one between the Lion and the Bok did at Twickenham into open violence. That is not what the Rugby World Cup is all about or supposed to be about. I also hope that Pieter van Zyl (pot-bellied crank who attacked the ref last year)is not in any of the crowds, because he sullies South Africa's sporting name. ---- Dad was wondering if maybe this will be the year of the Kiwi in sport. After watching the Kiwi league players bet the Aussies in the annual match, and knowing that although they are most likely to get a draw the 630/6 we scored against India is possibly unbeatable things are looking up. This comes on top of Scott Dixon doing well in the Indy, the almighty goddesses of double scull rowing defending their crown, and the demolition of South Africa and Australia for the Trinations and Bledisloe Cups. Of course I cannot go past without mentioning the demise of Australian netball supremacy at the hands of the \"Magnificent 7\" Silver Ferns. Rob"}, {"response": 95, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Oct 20, 2003 (01:27)", "body": "Hi The Boks entered the Rose Garden, and got stuck in the thorns - we could have won the game, but... South Africa lost ! (against England) Surprise, surprise. Not only that, but Samoa is top of our table. They are the surprise of the group and have put up a brave fight. We still have to play them and hope for a good win."}, {"response": 96, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Tue, Oct 21, 2003 (06:37)", "body": "Kia Ora Johnny Wilkinson is dangerous - if we meet England, and it becomes a kicking contest then I fear that the first phone-call after the game will be for 30 airline tickets back to NZ. Send the men on ahead while the Coach and his crew figure what went so horribly wrong. Either that or whoever kicks for New Zealand puts in 110% effort. Carlos Spencer cannot kick with the consistency needed to win a kicking competition, and why I rue the fact that Andrew Mehrtens is not playing. Who kicks for SA? Rob"}, {"response": 97, "author": "Leah", "date": "Tue, Oct 21, 2003 (06:42)", "body": "Hi Louis Koen kicked for us against England - he kicked 6 times but only 2 went over. Of the 4 he missed , 2 were RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POSTS. (The commentators were saying that he could do it with his eyes closed, and lo and behold, his eyes were closed and he MISSED)... If we had gotten the points from his missed kickes, we would have/could have won the game - even England admitted this, so yes, kickers are of vital importance!"}, {"response": 98, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Oct 23, 2003 (05:01)", "body": "Kia Ora I am not taking much notice of the rugby at the moment because we are in India for a cricket triseries with them and Oz, and the test series that ended a few days ago was promising. Although we did not win either test, the batsmen did something I cannot EVER remember them doing: the openers plus first and third drop ALL scored centuries in the second test. We declared 630/6 against India after this effort, though I think personally we should have gambled and declared at say 530-550 and got started on the Indians earlier. Rob"}, {"response": 99, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Oct 28, 2003 (20:01)", "body": "Pool A Team P W D L F A Pts Australia 3 3 0 0 256 16 14 Ireland 3 3 0 0 125 39 14 Argentina 4 2 0 2 140 57 10 Romania 3 0 0 3 28 185 0 Namibia 3 0 0 3 21 273 0 Pool B Team P W D L F A Pts France 3 3 0 0 163 56 15 Scotland 3 2 0 1 80 77 10 Fiji 3 2 0 1 78 92 9 USA 3 1 0 2 72 84 6 Japan 4 0 0 4 79 163 0 Pool C Team P W D L F A Pts England 3 3 0 0 144 34 14 South Africa 3 2 0 1 124 50 10 Samoa 3 2 0 1 128 57 10 Uruguay 3 1 0 2 43 144 4 Georgia 4 0 0 4 46 200 0 Pool D Team P W D L F A Pts New Zealand 3 3 0 0 229 20 15 Wales 3 3 0 0 95 45 13 Italy 4 2 0 2 77 123 8 Canada 3 0 0 3 30 128 1 Tonga 3 0 0 3 39 154 1 Teams are awarded: Four points for a win. Two points for a draw. A bonus point for scoring four or more tries in a game. A bonus point for losing by seven points or fewer. The top two teams from each Pool qualify for the quarter-finals. If at the completion of the Pool phase two or more teams are level on points, the following criteria shall be used IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER until one of the teams can be determined as the higher ranked: 1. The winner of the match in which the two tied teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked. 2. The team which has the best points difference in all matches shall be the higher ranked. 3. The team which has the best difference between tries scored and tries conceded in all matches shall be the higher ranked. 4. The team which has scored most points in all its matches shall be the higher ranked. 5. The team which has scored most tries in all its matches shall be the higher ranked; 6. Should the tie still be unresolved, it shall be settled by the toss of a coin. England for the Cup Joe"}, {"response": 100, "author": "Leah", "date": "Wed, Oct 29, 2003 (01:01)", "body": "(Joe) England for the Cup You may very well say this, but at least South Africa seems to have made it through to the quarter-finals, which is further than I had originally hoped for."}, {"response": 101, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Oct 29, 2003 (05:03)", "body": "I am pleased that South Africa have made it to quarter-finals I have always enjoyed watching them play also the South African Cricket Team, it would be nice to see them play England in the Final but I think not? England for the cup Joe"}, {"response": 102, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Wed, Oct 29, 2003 (06:31)", "body": "Kia Ora Welcome - and beware. Leah is from South Africa as she indicated. I am from New Zealand. Tana Umaga is recovering well according to the media, and the All Blacks are hoping to put him in the starting XV for the quarters. He tore a cruciate in the first pool match the All Blacks played which was against Italy. There were fears that his World Cup campaign might be over, but it looks like starting to get back on track. Beware of Samoa, and be thankful that they did not field the most powerful assemblage of players that they can muster. Several players contracted by overseas clubs could not get to represent their country, and so what you so of Samoa was actually a compromise I think between their A-team (the team you should be thankful you never saw), and the B team which is what I think you got). Samoa played out of their tree against England and deserve due respect. Rob"}, {"response": 103, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 29, 2003 (09:30)", "body": "Do you play rugby yourself, Rob?"}, {"response": 104, "author": "Leah", "date": "Thu, Oct 30, 2003 (00:59)", "body": "South Africa still have to play and win against Samoa to get through to the quarter-finals. A daunting prospect if ever there was one."}, {"response": 105, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Oct 30, 2003 (02:34)", "body": "Kia Ora No. I find rugby gets too much hype as a sport, and some of the games are pretty rough. I think the physical game is good but not the stomping, the eye gouging and so on that sometimes occurs. That is why I have shown more interest in the Silver Ferns, and the Black Caps. Those teams are well represented too, but not to the same at times numbing degree the All Blacks are. They are only human, but you would have thought some days that all of them and NZ rugby players are supermen. I support my country just like Leah does, but somedays a loss can restore the human aspect to the game and remind New Zealanders that that is precisely what it is: A GAME. You win some, you lose some. Losers deserve respect too, and sometimes some teams do not deserve to win, while other times they deserved the win. Rob"}, {"response": 106, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov  1, 2003 (05:27)", "body": "Kia Ora How was the RSA/Samoa game Leah? I saw the scoreline, which was impressive. Samoa have played really well at this world cup and I am sorry to see them go. They are a good team and the game that they played against England was a stunner. South Africa, and Scotland have made the quarters after winning their last pool games today against Samoa and Fiji respectively (anyone who is not a Quarter Final prospect is already out of the tournament although they may still have games to play - Japan, USA, Canada, Namibia, Romania, Uraguay). At the time of writing this Australia was playing Ireland - a game Australia will almost certainly win. New Zealand will play (and probably thrash)Wales tomorrow to join Oz, SA, and Scotland. France is already in (I think), and England is likely to follow suit. So, Terry. The battle lines are being drawn as I speak - by the time this weekend ends the final 8 to challenge for the 4 semi-final spots will be known. There are 5 big rugby playing nations in the world, and 4 semi final spots. Who will get them? Australia barring a shocker is guaranteed one, England will likely get another one. A third will go to NZ. Who will get the fourth? South Africa or France? Rob"}, {"response": 107, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sun, Nov  2, 2003 (03:44)", "body": "Kia Ora I would say that Ireland has come of age... http://rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/articles/2003/11/02/1067597218375.html Rob"}, {"response": 108, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Nov  3, 2003 (04:17)", "body": "South Africa beat Samoa, because they played their best game a week before against England. Did you see the guy who tried to tackle one of South Africa's players, but got kicked by him instead? I didn't watch the game, but heard most of it. (it was played at 9:30am on a Saturday morning SA time)"}, {"response": 109, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Tue, Nov  4, 2003 (04:25)", "body": "Kia Ora If we lose this weekend, I would guess that John Mitchell's head will be on the block by Monday morning. The media and the rugby public will be circling like vultures overhead waiting to dive on him, the assistant coach Robbie Deans and the 30 men that they took to Oz with them. A loss against South Africa in the quarters would probably result in the next 3-4 weeks of media coverage being \"Mitchell, NZ rugby, Mitchell, NZ rugby, Mitchell, NZ rugby...\" (get a hint?). I wonder when the day will come when we as Kiwis can accept that they are just human and that all humans have screw ups every now and again. I certainly do not expect them to win all the time and sometimes when we did not deserve to win I find it quite refreshing that our expectations were brought back to Earth. With the Silver Ferns now holding the international netball bragging rights, I just hope we do not lose our heads over them. I hope that we continue to do well, but as I said we all screw up from time to time - tis a fact of life. If we win, then what are the prospects of Straueli's head rolling? Is he a popular coach in South Africa, and a man who can communicate with the people and the media? I wonder also what is going to happen in the media if we win. Will the mob go wild and pester the heck out of the All Blacks for the rest of the year demanding interviews and trying to everything out of proportion? There are still three games to go and our chances of losing any one of them is as good as 50-50%. Leah, I rate SA as highly as I rate NZ. Rob"}, {"response": 110, "author": "Leah", "date": "Tue, Nov  4, 2003 (05:46)", "body": "Rob, Thanks that you even think South Africa has a chance against the All Blacks. The general opinion here is that South Africa won their last game of the 2003 RWC on Saturday. As for Straueli's head rolling? Before the team went to Australia, there was a HUGE blow up with a political situation (in the team), and Straueli was either fired, resigned or was told to quit, but that he had to see the team through the World Cup. Whether we win or lose, he is gone!"}, {"response": 111, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Tue, Nov  4, 2003 (20:22)", "body": "Kia Ora Yeah, but do you know what the schedule is for the rest of the competition? The winner of Quarter Final 1 i.e NZ/SA meets the winner of QF 2 (Oz/Scotland)and the winner of QF 3 (France/?)meets the winner of QF 4 (England/?). The climax is drawing near - the teams are all calling up their most powerful players - Stirling Mortlock got the call up for Australia today. Tana Umaga might be a starter now in the ABs line up. England is doing their homework against Wales, the French are polishing their armour once more and the Irish are figuring out what they need to do to shock the World. D-Day is approaching Leah. Rob"}, {"response": 112, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Nov  6, 2003 (20:22)", "body": "Kia Ora With under 30 hours to go until the All Blacks take on South Africa, how do things look from the South African perspective Leah? Tana Umaga is out of the Quarters. Carlos Spencer is on the team and Jerry Collins is back. Joe Rokocoko and Doug Howlett are in as well. I still rate the South Africans as having as high as a 50-50% chance of winning, because we were a bit lame on defence last week and the Welsh punished us. I would expect the South Africans to exploit the weak spots and push us to the limits. Best of Luck against NZ (but that does not necessarily mean I want YOUR team to win). Rob"}, {"response": 113, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Nov  7, 2003 (00:45)", "body": "Hi Rob Best of luck to you too, (but that doesn't mean I want YOUR team to win.) What are our chances? Commentators and those in the know are saying that NZ has peaked too early, and that although its great to win the TriNations, they should have pulled back a little for their 'big' games in the World Cup. Time will tell. It's make or break for our teams."}, {"response": 114, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Nov  7, 2003 (00:46)", "body": "By the way, the match is at 9:30 am on Saturday morning in South Africa. Our country will be at a standstill. A good time to go shopping I think ;-)"}, {"response": 115, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Nov  7, 2003 (02:38)", "body": "Kia Ora *Laughter* True. It is 7.30pm here and because of that it will be straight after or during dinner, which makes it a bit more difficult to ignore seeing as my parents and I eat in the lounge so we can watch the telly. I think I will retreat to the computer or conservatory and unwind, since I will have just finished exams. I have a geology exam tomorrow which I expect to pass fairly comfortably. I know Straeuli seems to be a goner, but perhaps he can depart with a bit more dignity if his team were to win this game. Or is he so far gone that no win regardless of who is playing against SA, will help him out of the quagmire? Rob"}, {"response": 116, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 2003 (02:41)", "body": "Kia Ora \"IT\" has begun... Someone HAS to lose. Goodluck. Rob"}, {"response": 117, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 2003 (04:28)", "body": "Kia Ora WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Rob"}, {"response": 118, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov  8, 2003 (04:38)", "body": "Good game Leah. South Africa might be on it's way home now, but I am not going to rub it in, with due respect and in the spirit of fair play. I guess that is the end of Rudolf Straeuli and possibly Corne Krige is it? Had the Kiwi's been South Africans, this would be the end of the road for John Mitchell, his assistant Coach Robbie Deans and the captain Reuben Thorne. It is improbable that Kiwi's would have let them survive in their current capacities. With South Africa gone, next up is Australia vs Scotland. Tomorrow England plays Wales, while France takes on Ireland. God bless you Leah. Rob"}, {"response": 119, "author": "Leah", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 2003 (02:12)", "body": "Rob Congratulations. A game that was won by the better team."}, {"response": 120, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 2003 (03:30)", "body": "Kia Ora South Africa may be out, but lets keep in touch shall we? I would be interested in hearing what life is like in post-Apartheid South Africa and their perspective on the world. It has a strong sporting culture that many I think have come to respect - South Africa is after all one of the stronger sides in Rugby, Cricket, and to a lesser extent netball. Best Rob"}, {"response": 121, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sun, Nov  9, 2003 (21:14)", "body": "Kia Ora The Welsh dragon came close to roasting the English rose with its fire last night. At half time they were leading the English 10-3, and playing like they were going to win. It was an impressive display from the men of Steve Hansen's team, whcih reminded me why he and other Kiwi rugby coaches who have gone abroad, are so desired. But the boot of Johnny Wilkinson is deadly - he kicked 6 penalties and a drop goal against Wales which got them most of the 28 points England scored. The Aussies are in too, but they were hardly convincing against Scotland who held them in check at half time. They also had a scrap with one of the Scots after some row blew up. And today the Sydney Morning Herald was talking of the Aussies as \"road kill in the headlights of a Kiwi juggernaut\" - hardly encouraging to hear your leading paper call your rugby team road kill is it? Oz will be back - one can reasonably expect them to come out guns blazing at this semi-final and challenge the All Blacks every step of the way to the final. So are the French, who have been hardly challenged in pool play and are now finding themselves being challenged for sudden death positions. The dark horse of France will have to beat England if the Tricoleurs are going to challenge whoever wins the NZ/Aust showdown, and they have not yet had their armour checked out by the opposition for kinks. They will, and if Clive Woodward has anything to say, they will also investigate the possibility of being on the next flight to Paris if things screw up. But in Melbourne a black juggernaut gathers... Rob"}, {"response": 122, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov 15, 2003 (06:38)", "body": "Hi all Tis not been a great day in NZ rugby. Congrats to Australia for winning a game in which they were clearly the superior team and were clearly underestimated. Rob (P.S Leah, I know how you feel - ain't feeling that flash myself at the moment) ---- Wallabies dash All Black dreams 15 November 2003 By GUY MacGIBBON Australia 22 New Zealand 10 Superior defence, accurate goalkicking and a run-away try led the Wallabies to a 22-10 win over the All Blacks in their Rugby World Cup semifinal at Sydney's Telstra Stadium tonight. The All Blacks were rocked in the 10th minute when Wallabies centre Stirling Mortlock intercepted a Carlos Spencer pass to run away with an 80 metre try to put the first points on the board, which second five-eighth Elton Flatley converted to give the Wallabies the early 7-0 lead and a huge psychological boost. Mortlock's was the Wallabies' only try in the end, but it proved enough, as they doggedly held on to the lion's share of possession and regularly ratcheted up the pressure on the All Blacks with penalties, never surrendering the lead. The Wallabies seemed to have an answer for every question the All Blacks' move-it-wide-at-all-costs attack asked of them, while the Wallabies backline finally fired, with Mortlock penetrative, maligned league converts Lote Tiquiri and Mat Rogers dangerous and pivot Stephen Larkham elusive. All Blacks No 8 Jerry Collins was ruled to have made a dangerously high tackle on Wallapies lock Nathan Sharpe, who left the field dazed while Flatley nailed the penalty kick for the Wallabies to lead 10-0 with 23 minutes gone. Flatley made it 13-0 seven minutes from halftime with his second penalty goal. Staring at a doughnut at the break, the All Blacks put themselves back into the game in the 35th minute with a try to captain Reuben Thorne, who latched onto a nice pass from Spencer and crashed over. Leon McDonald nailed the conversion to give the All Blacks seven points. Elton Flatley gave the Wallabies the first second-half points in the 42nd minute with a straightforward penalty goal, awarded against Collins. The three made the score 16-7 to the Wallabies. Australian prop Ben Darwin was stretched off early in the second half after a Wallabies scrum was smashed by the All Blacks eight. The game was delayed for several minutes as the medical team attended to Darwin, with the shadow of a possible serious neck injury hanging over the pitch. Kees Meews had just come into the All Blacks front row before the scrum. Flatley's fourth penalty around the 50 minute mark gave the Wallabies a 19-7 advantage. MacDonald reduced the gap by three with an easy penalty in the 57th minute. In the 62nd minute Flatley pushed the lead out again with a penalty awarded against replacement All Blacks lock Brad Thorn to make the score 22-10, where it remained until the final whistle. Australia 22 (Stirling Mortlock try; Elton Flatley pens 5 con) bt New Zealand 10 (Reuben Thorne try; Leon MacDonald con pen)"}, {"response": 123, "author": "Leah", "date": "Mon, Nov 17, 2003 (02:46)", "body": "Rob, Commiserations (sp?) You now have the great match to look forward to against France to see who comes third... We watched the match, and it was as if NZ thought that by just showing up at the stadium, they would win. A little bit of reality set in. The better team won on the day, but it could have easily gone the other way."}, {"response": 124, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Wed, Nov 19, 2003 (05:20)", "body": "Kia Ora Thanks. How do you feel in the wake of the RSA/NZ game? Disappointed or not surprised? Tis a late hour, but later on this week I'll do an analysis of what went wrong so you can why we Kiwi's are not overly impressed. Rob"}, {"response": 125, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Nov 20, 2003 (05:35)", "body": "Kia Ora Saturday November 15 was not New Zealand's night on the rugby field. The worst fears of every Kiwi was realised when Australia took out the Semifinal against the All Blacks, and fairly convincingly at that. In looking for the cause of the problem many people zeroed in on Reuben Thorne and John Mitchell seeking to lay the blame on a Captain the team knew as Mr Freeze, and a coach often targetted for his lack of accessibility regarding the media. So, why did New Zealand lose a match that most people thought we had in the bag? There are several reasons for the defeat, not least that the All Blacks had no Plan B. Others problems but not necessarily causes for defeat included media hype that predicted an All Black win by 20 points or more, the busting of a boiler early on in the campaign, media inaccessibility, player positions/roles and a lack of on field communication. These problems meant the team could not function with it's usual cohesion, chances were lost or wrongly interpreted and wrong decisions taken. But the most defining problem was you NEVER WRITE OFF THE AUSTRALIANS!!!! We did and paid the subsequent price - go figure. ---- The reasons for defeat are: I am very surprised that the most feared Rugby outfit in the WORLD had no Plan B, which made it almost shocking to hear John Mitchell say \"we believe in a particular way\". The most basic planning in all good teams includes a Plan B for when Plan A falls apart by failure to execute or by disintegration under pressure from the opposition. Most Plan B's have a Plan C (a \"just in case\" plan, incase B was too hastily conceived, was based on crap intelligence or poor logic). The lack of communication by Reuben Thorne has often been a problem during his tenure as Captain, which may explain his nickname \"Mr Freeze\" - when things go to custard as they did on Saturday night - he froze in place. Most teams have a communicator who can talk the talk and walk the walk - I think ours would have to be Tana Umaga who can often see the wider game for what it is and talk the team through the tough times (Australian defence being rock solid). Great things can be and are achieved when the team is on the same wave length. Did the team peak too soon? It is possible that the tide had turned before the World Cup started leaving us on a retreating tide of superiority by the time the World Cup started. This brings back memories of 1999 when the All Blacks were beaten by France (who we are playing as I type this for the 3rd/4th positions on the rankings ladder). Three months before we had been on song, but by the time the World Cup got going the tide had changed. Despite a frenetic first half, the All Blacks were soundly defeated by a French team that saw it's chance and grabbed it. The Media hype has only itself to blame for the implosion of our hopes and aspirations for World Cup glory. It fuelled grotesquely inaccurate hype about the prospects for victory against Australia. This lunacy wrote the Australians so badly that their victory came as a bucket of cold water over our heads, for which I am caught in two minds - I am grateful for the reality check. You NEVER write a team off, and it is because of this that the sweetest single thing Eddie Jones had in the World Cup was the Australian victory against the All Blacks. Short of victory in the final, the Australian team led by George Gregan has redeemed itself in every way. John Mitchell was very inaccessible to media. His self belief at times almost bordered on arrogance and their justification for leaving a number of players at home (Andrew Mehrtens, Anton Oliver, Christian Cullen among others)made us wonder what his agenda was. Mehrtens is a renown kicker and his boot ranks alongside Johnny Wilkinson for accuracy and points scored. Christian Cullen is one of the most prolific try scorers, and while his replacement has justified himself, having the experience never hurt. Losing Tana Umaga was a bad sign at the time and was a loss that I think most New Zealanders rued. So why did we bust a boiler in a game we would have won easily? Would it not have been wiser to save the effort for the games where busting a boiler might have been required to win (Australia...). Tana communicated with the whole team and talked them through questionable situations. He is also a sportsman of the first order and his rendering first aid when a Welshman was injured playing NZ last year earned him a prize from Wales at a private function. Why did New Zealand not save its best lineup until last? Why expend your A team against C grade teams when you know you still have A grade teams to meet later on? Learning to be resourceful is one thing all World Cup winners will have learned to be. To be fair it is wise to give them some play time, but you do not necessarily have to keep them on the whole duration of the game. But perhaps the most important is the will to win. You have to be prepared to play hard but fair, seize chances as they come and e"}, {"response": 126, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Nov 20, 2003 (05:54)", "body": "Kia Ora Final scoreline NZ 40-France 13 Rob"}, {"response": 127, "author": "Leah", "date": "Thu, Nov 20, 2003 (06:01)", "body": "Congrats. (but who will remember who came third?) It seems that as long as teams win, the 'behind the scenes' issues are overlooked, but as soon as teams lose, all the rubbish that can be found is dug up and thrown around. SA rugby is in a state of 'picking up the pieces' and the media here is having a field day, letting the players and officials know what is wrong with them and how those left behind could have done sooo much better!"}, {"response": 128, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov 22, 2003 (07:06)", "body": "Kia Ora I have an historic announcement to make: ENGLAND have won the Rugby World Cup for 2003 20-17 against AUSTRALIA in Sydney. THE FINAL STANDINGS FOR THE RUGBY WORLD CUP 2003 ARE: WORLD NO.1 ENGLAND World No.2 Australia World No.3 New Zealand World No.4 France The Webb Ellis trophy is bound for England, and shall be defended in FRANCE four years from now. Rob"}, {"response": 129, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 22, 2003 (08:51)", "body": "Congratulations England! Isn't four years a long time between titles? I would think they would do this yearly."}, {"response": 130, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Mon, Nov 24, 2003 (06:27)", "body": "Hi all \"Isn't four years a long time between titles? I would think they would do this yearly.\" No. Anything less is too short a time frame to brag, to rebuild, to organise the host and find out who will qualify (World Cups are often the final competition for many players and are the absolute pinnacle of their careers - bit like a mountaineer climbing Mount Everest). The rivalry is fierce among rugby playing nations and there is a lot of national pride at stake. To understand how much, just spend a year in any of the following nations: New Zealand, Fiji, Australia, France, England, Samoa, South Africa, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Tonga, Italy or Japan. The following briefly describe rugby in the other nations: In England, well, yeah right... I shall let Martin Johnson and co speak for themselves. In France it is a rising sport and is almost a religion in the southern parts of the country. In South Africa, Australia and New Zealand (all former holders of the World Cup)it is THE GAME. Wales showed what the minnow nations can do if not checked - it was almost on course for a World Cup shock quarter final victory against England until the boot of Jonny Wilkinson destroyed their dreams. It was coached by a Kiwi. Ireland tested France too, but could not finish the job. The fiery Irish spirit will be back though. Scotland was let off the hook several times and it was no surprise that Australia sunk them in the quarters. Italy was coached by another Kiwi, but has yet to adjust to the rigours of quarter and semi final rugby. Japan is a big mover and with a few expat Kiwi's in it's is starting to rattle the the Rugby World Order. Maybe sometime it will make the quarter finals. No Pacific Island nation bar perhaps Fiji likes its rugby more than Samoa. The little nation rocked England so hard in the pool play that it would be runner up in any competition for the best World Cup match for the 2003 Rugby World Cup. If the big nations stopped poaching it's players Samoa may eventually become a dark horse. Fiji was a great lost chance. Their combative style let them down, and they subsequently paid the price. Tonga is still a minnow in many ways, albeit a bit more of a dark horse than many think. Rob"}, {"response": 131, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 25, 2003 (11:53)", "body": "Excellent idea Rob! I would love to spend a year in New Zealand, Fiji, Australia, France, England, Samoa, South Africa, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Tonga, Italy or Japan. If you had your pick of these places, where would you spend the next year. Or better yet, pick four for the next four years and tell me what I would expect from the rugby scene in each of these places. This is your midterm exam, Rob ;-)"}, {"response": 132, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Fri, Nov 28, 2003 (05:13)", "body": "Hi all \"I would love to spend a year in New Zealand, Fiji, Australia, France, England, Samoa, South Africa, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Tonga, Italy or Japan.\" I will leave New Zealand, and South Africa out of the running, because we have been talking about them here since July. Australia and England are out too because it is fairly self explanatory - England has the bragging rights of the next four years, and their challenge will be to prove that they can last four years at the top. In the case of Australia, they will be back - you can bet your money that Australia will learn from their mistakes. France is the odd one out, but I think they will have a look at their last two games and see what went wrong and hopefully learn from their mistakes. So Terry. Starting tomorrow I will tell you instead about the likes of the middle order of international rugby, about the countries that are two powerful in a rugby sense to be called minnows yet too small to be called one a \"super power\". By this definition I am thinking of Wales, Samoa, Fiji, Japan, Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Tonga. All of these nations have potential to eventually become a force in their own rights, and which all the big boys on the block would do to watch out for. Rob"}, {"response": 133, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 28, 2003 (17:58)", "body": "I'm looking forward to tomorrow's exposition, you're off to a good start on your rugby \"exam\"; heh!"}, {"response": 134, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov 29, 2003 (02:56)", "body": "Hi all Leah, the South African training video is turning out to be a national calamity wouldn't you say? Will heads roll or will SA rugby try to sweep it under the carpet and hope we all forget? Rob"}, {"response": 135, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov 29, 2003 (03:26)", "body": "Kia Ora A week ago there were huge protests in London to protest the visit of George Bush. They were of anger at his and Tony Blairs policies on terror and in particular the Iraq war. 100,000 people marched. Now one week later 100,000 people or more are expected to show for the English rugby world cup Victory parade. This is celebrating the first World Cup England has won in it major codes since 1966, the FIRST time a Northern Hemisphere team has won the Rugby World Cup and the arrival of the English teams as a force on the world stage of rugby. A New Rugby World Order has arrived whether you like it or not. I am impressed. ---- WHAT TO EXPECT FROM RUGBY IN THE FOLLOWING COUNTRIES FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS. Japan: The Japanese have come a long way since they started playing serious rugby against other nations in the 1980s. Since the notorious 145-17 drubbing the All Blacks handed them, this the shortest of the teams at the 2003 World Cup have lured several New Zealanders to the country of the Rising Sun and are looking to advance to the Quarters at the next World Cup. In a nation dominated by baseball, the Japanese rugby team is a rising force both in Japanese sport and in international rugby. Wales: WHAT IF??? What if Wales had gone all the way against England in their Quarter Final? It would have been the upset of the Rugby World Cup by a mile. But they were exhausted and it took a superhuman effort on their part to get to where they did, so combined with that oh so deadly boot of Jonny Wilkinson it is perhaps not so surprising that England won. Yet this game showed that there is plenty of potential amongst the Welsh, who were at one stage on a par with the All Blacks. Unfortunately for Wales the coal mines shut down depriving the Welsh rugby team of their supply of burly hairy chested players whose rugby skills were among the most feared in the world. New Zealanders, Graham Henry (now a hot cookie for the All Black coaching job)and Steve Hansen (ex-Canterbury Crusaders - the Fifth Crusade of the Super 12 will hopefully be in 2004). But Wales will be back, and it is possible I guess that one day they just MIGHT score that stunning upset. However it may not be in 2007. Fiji: This combative side let itself down at the 2003 Rugby World Cup, and it is not so surprising that they did not make it out of pool play. A number of the high tackles and other penalty earning offences were shown to be quite delibrate, and the punishments the referee handed out as a result were wholly justifiable. But like Samoa and Tonga, Fijians LOVE their rugby and a number of players are supplied to the New Zealand and Australian Super 12 rugby teams. Their great talent and depth are indicative of the stranglehold rugby has as a sport in Fiji. Maybe in 2007 they might make amends for their poor discipline at the World Cup just ended. Scotland: \"The French lifted the Scots kilts and found no balls\" - NZ rugby commentator Keith Quinn on the drubbing handed to them by France in pool play. Scotland somehow bribed or stumbled their way through the World Cup pool play period remarkably intact despite the French drubbing. But they clearly showed when confronted by Australia that they were not a worthy semi-final opponent and the defending champions had no trouble putting them away. They have some chances to redeem themselves in the Six Nations, and other competitions while they wait the next 4 years until the 2007 Rugby World Cup, which France is hosting. Maybe by then they will have found their balls. Rob"}, {"response": 136, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Nov 29, 2003 (03:29)", "body": "Me again I goofed when writing the part for Scotland. I meant to say Quarter Final opponents and not Semi-final opponents. Scotland did NOT make it to the QF's. Rob"}, {"response": 137, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Thu, Dec  4, 2003 (19:21)", "body": "Kia Ora Rudolph Straeuli has resigned. In the wake of the training camp video how surprising is that? It, as the television reporter said, must have been a \"national calamity\". Was it? Rob"}, {"response": 138, "author": "Leah", "date": "Fri, Dec  5, 2003 (02:06)", "body": "Yip. Big problems in our rugby. Heads are rolling, and today the new board members are elected. We need a new coach. Why is it surprising that no-one wants the job? There are racism issues and bootcamp issues that have shattered our rugby, there are many more issues to sort out. Our rugby team had to play so bad, because with the management that they had, do you think they could do much else?"}, {"response": 139, "author": "AotearoaKiwi", "date": "Sat, Dec  6, 2003 (03:43)", "body": "Kia Ora John Mitchell and Robbie Deans similarly lost their heads. Mitchell can reapply for the coaching job if he wants but there will have to be an earthquake in his coaching style. No word has come about as to what will become of Deans who used to coach the Canterbury Crusaders. They will have challengers mounting attempts to take the jobs for themselves, from Graham Henry (expat Kiwi and former Wales coach)plus one other guy. Apartheid was dirty. It looks like it will be a long hard road out of hell for South African rugby and the Republic as a whole. New Zealand is only just beginning to confront the crazy days of 1981 when the country was effectively split into two camps over whether the Springboks should tour. There has never such civil unrest as was witnessed that year. Rob sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 6, "subject": "Runnin' Horns - UT Mens basketball", "response_count": 11, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug  5, 1996 (09:19)", "body": "I believe the Runnin' Horns are doing an Australian exhibition tour now, that should really help them get in shape for this season."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (23:49)", "body": "They cut their exhibition tour short because the Aussies were getting too rough, punching out the Horns. I hear the Horns have their answer to Olayguwan, a Nigerian center who's got a lot of promoise."}, {"response": 3, "author": "max", "date": "Thu, Nov  7, 1996 (11:55)", "body": "\u001b Olayguwan?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov  7, 1996 (20:09)", "body": "That's what we got, man 9 out of 10!"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (23:47)", "body": "The Shark bit on the towel today. Clack is looking more like NBA material allthe time in the Horns win and the Horns are edging up to the top 10. Pretty good for a perennial slow starting team that doesn't usually get hot till the Sweet Sixteen."}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (11:34)", "body": "Arizona at UT The 83-78 loss to Lute Olsen's Arizona Wildcats has been the Horns only loss this year. And they hung around for that whole game till the final minutes. Clack's running jams were impressive and Brandy Perryman keeps hitting those 3's from somewhere out in Tarrytown. Gabe Munoneke even popped a three. The Horns played good, the Wildcats just played better and were hitting those shots. But, to the Horns, consolation, the Wildcats were ranked eighth going in to this game. The Horns had been ranked 13th in the Monday poll the day of the game. Fresno State at UT The Fresno State Bulldog game. Reggie really had a hot hand. He hit a three early. Chris Clack a monster, Jordanesque slam, he really aired it in. A rim shattering slam dunk with increadible hang time and a mini-windmill motion. Perryman had another 3 from West Austin. Jordan played good on offense and on defense with good hands inside. He had a power jam against two Fresno State guys hangin off of him. Clack had a 360 \"circus shot\" and a great steal in the first half. They led 47-41 at halftime. Perryman nailed another three just before the half ended. I believe he had three treys (a trey of trey's) in the first half. Tark didn't start biting on his towel till the second half. He's mellowed out a lot from his UNLV days. Much less excited. Clack had a monster offensive rebound and then Freeman nailed a three to put the Horns up 62-55. Then Clack nailed another hangin' jame after a steal and a full court run. Clack then did an incredible drive in traffic and another Jordan style hangin' left handed jam. Fresno State blew away Umass on the round earlier this week by 21 points! Freeman tied his career high for points. 43 points. Texas is now 5-1 on the year. 98-86 was the final."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 12, 1997 (00:20)", "body": "The Horns are in their season opener tonight but Penders will be coaching be cellphone. The games in progress right now and the Horns are behind in the third quarter."}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Mar 22, 2002 (07:09)", "body": "The Horns play in the Sweet 16 tonight. This is the first time they've been there in a while. Oregon's Ducks, Texas' opponent in tonight's Midwest Regional semifinal, were polar opposites of the Longhorns. Unbeatable at home, unimpressive on the road. Away from its home gym called The Pit, Oregon has averaged almost 10 fewer points, has made only 38.7 percent of its threes compared to 47.4 percent at home and commits two more turnovers with three fewer steals. Ducks Coach Ernie Kent, however, defends his club's 9-8 record away from McArthur Court, where Oregon was a perfect 16-0. \"Early on, we had three losses on the road,\" Kent said, \"but that's really deceiving.\" None of those losses to UMass, Portland and Minnesota was by more than four points. After a 27-point November blowout of Louisville in the Hall of Fame Game in Springfield, Mass., the Ducks awoke at 6 in the morning to fly across the country for a loss to UMass in Portland three nights later. \"That was a tough trip on some of our big bodies,\" Kent said. \"We were up 21-8 and had a chance to win in our last possession. The next game against Portland was probably our worst game of the year. Against Minnesota, we had a chance to win the last several possessions, too.\" This Oregon team needs no alibis, no what-ifs to explain a slight deviation in a fabulous season. Besides that 0-3 string, the Ducks have lost only five more games, one to Southern Cal after whipping the Trojans a week earlier to clinch the Pac-10 title and two to Cal and Stanford in overtime games. They won at UCLA for the first time in 18 years and on Arizona's floor for the first time in 17. The Ducks have three of the best perimeter shooters in college basketball, although Kent says his best two three-point specialists, Anthony Lever and James Davis, come off the bench. The Ducks run so much, they can be labeled a poor man's Kansas, but not all that poor. Star point guard Luke Ridnour is Oregon's T.J. Ford but a better shooter, a talent so highly regarded he's pretty much a Joey Harrington without the Heisman billboard on a New York high-rise. Oregon's not likely to be rattled tonight, but neither should Texas. Both are 7-3 in their past 10 away games. \"Some of the players have said they felt more focused on the road,\" Barnes said. \"Maybe that's a little of our youth coming out. Maybe at home, they assume it's just automatically going to happen.\" That could explain home losses to Texas A&M and Oklahoma State, clubs the Longhorns beat on the road. Barnes has developed such a trust level with his team, he has no rules other than be on time. He doesn't even lay down a curfew. Barnes so likes his buttoned-down workaholics, he lets the players pick out where they want to eat and the movies they watch on short bus trips to Waco and College Station. So when the Longhorns are taking in \"Ali\" on the way to the Baylor game or center James Thomas decides the team should stop at Rudy's for barbecue on the way to last week's first two NCAA tournament rounds, they know they've got as much invested in this team as Barnes does. And when Barnes pulls over for a round of Blizzards at a Dairy Queen after beating Mississippi State on Sunday, they know they have a coach who appreciates their efforts. Barnes' more relaxed style is clearly working. \"I got a call from my former president at Clemson, who said he noticed I was letting players wear tattoos,\" Barnes said. \"I told him if I didn't, I wouldn't be able to get any players. He also asked me about T.J.'s hair, and I said if we keep winning, I'm going to start braiding mine.\" kbohls@statesman.com more at http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/today/sports_2.html"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Apr  8, 2003 (12:07)", "body": "Texas lost to Marquette in the Final Four, and then Marquette went on to win it all in the next game, beating Kansas more decisively than they beat the Horns. That probably makes Texas the second best team in the nation. Did you hear Roy Williams comment after his loss to Marquette, can you blame the guy for doing this in the heat of the moment? Williams loses his cool, curses in TV interview From staff and wire reports Roy Williams, known for emotional reactions to wins and losses, became so upset after a reporter's questioning about the job opening at his alma mater of North Carolina that he uttered a vulgarity on live national television Monday night. Williams was responding to questions from CBS reporter Bonnie Bernstein outside the Kansas locker room following the 81-78 loss to Syracuse in the national title game. Bernstein began pressing Williams on the opening at UNC, where Matt Doherty was forced out last week. Williams turned the job down three years ago and consistently refused to address the situation this past week. After first saying he didn't \"give a flip\" about people asking about the opening, he finally cracked in the face of Bernstein's questions. \"As a journalist I understand why you have to ask that question,\" said Williams, his eyes red with emotion. \"But the guy in your ear that is telling you to ask that is not a very nice person. \"I could give a (expletive) about North Carolina right now.\" Moments later, CBS cut away."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Apr  8, 2003 (12:08)", "body": "The Horns will definitely start off next season in the top four, with most of their team coming back and TJ Ford probably not going to the NBA. Same with the Lady Horns. They'll come back a top four team jext year, what a dream season for Texas basketball."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Apr  8, 2003 (12:20)", "body": "from TexasSports.com: NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Carmelo Anthony stole the show and Syracuse earned another chance to win the national championship, in of all places, the Superdome. The super freshman scored a season-high 33 points and had 14 rebounds, and the Orangemen's 2-3 zone defense was tough enough for a 95-84 victory over Texas on Saturday night. The 54,432 fans were the most ever to see a Longhorn basketball game. Syracuse (29-5) will play Kansas on Monday night in the title game on the same court it had a chance to win it all 16 years ago. Then, Indiana's Keith Smart hit a jumper in the final seconds to beat the Orangemen 74-73. Now, Anthony and coach Jim Boeheim will get a shot to win the school's first national championship. Brandon Mouton had 25 points, his second 20-point performance in his last three games, for the Longhorns (26-7), the only No. 1 seed to reach the Final Four. Texas' 26 wins tied the Horns single-season victory record. Mouton led the Horns with 89 points in five tourney games (17.8 ppg.). \"We broke a lot of barriers for Texas basketball this year,\" Barnes said. \"This was a tough loss, but we can't forget that it's been a terrific season. We need to just keep building. I'm very optimistic about our future. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 60, "subject": "roque and croquet", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jun  7, 2002 (03:03)", "body": "The above from http://www.mauicroquetclub.org/History.htm as is this: Croquet in America Routlege's Handbook of Croquet, published in England in 1861, inspired a wave of popularity that swept right across the Atlantic. Croquet equipment was advertised in the New York Clipper in 1862 and five years later another New York paper editorialized, \"never in the history of outdoor sports in this country had any game achieved so sudden a popularity with both sexes, but especially with the ladies, as Croquet has.\" The National Croquet Association (NCA), founded in 1879, held its first national tournament in 1882. While English lawn croquet was played at scattered locations, an American form of croquet had also evolved into a very different game from the rather sedate English version. It was played on a court of hard-packed dirt, with hard rubber balls, very narrow wickets, and short mallets. The court was enclosed by a wooden barricade to keep the lively balls on the field of play. In 1899, a new set of rules was standardized for the American version, which was given a new name: Roque, formed by clipping the first and last letters from \"croquet.\" Like billiards and unlike lawn croquet, roque requires skill in making carom shots off the boundary board and in the use of English to change the path of the shot. During the early part of the century, roque become the dominant form of the sport. A new governing body, the American Roque League, was founded in 1916, while the NCA became dormant for many years. Lawn croquet made something of a comeback during the 1920s, at least among wealthy people playing on large, well-leveled lawns at estates on Long Island and in Hollywood, the two major hot beds. Croquet was frequently mentioned in Broadway and movie gossip columns because of the names involved. Among its well-known players were Harpo Marx, George S. Kaufman and Moss Hart of Broadway fame, Hollywood producers Sam Goldwyn, Howard Hawks, and Darryl Zanuck, and composer Richard Rodgers--all of whom, not so incidentally, are now in the Croquet Hall of Fame. After World War II, croquet achieved a different kind of popularity as a middle-class, backyard game for all ages, often played under rules invented on the spur of the moment. This new popularity led to the reorganization of the NCA and a new standardization of rules--although that standardization didn't necessarily reach into most of those middle-class backyards."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jun  7, 2002 (03:04)", "body": "Forms of the Sport American lawn croquet uses nine wickets, while British lawn croquet uses only six. Interest in six-wicket croquet was revived during the 1970s. Jack Osborn organized six Eastern clubs into the United States Croquet Association in 1977 and wrote a new rule book for an American version of the sport. In the meantime, the British six-wicket version, often known as \"Association croquet,\" was evolving into an international sport, played primarily in the British Commonwealth countries: Australia, Great Britain, Ireland, New Zealand, and South Africa. Yet another governing body, the American Croquet Association (ACA), was founded in 1987 to promote the international form of the sport. Most ACA members also belong to the USCA, and the USCA sanctions many tournaments played under international rules, as well as those played under American rules. In order to promote the sport in general, the USCA promulgates rules for four different versions of croquet: Backyard nine-wicket, American six-wicket, international six-wicket, and golf croquet, which uses the nine-wicket layout. Roque reached its peak of popularity during the 1930s, when courts were built at many of the parks and playgrounds constructed by the National Recreation Association and the Works Progress Administration during the Depression. The American Roque League still operates, but its membership is concentrated in the Midwest. Croquet, like badminton and horseshoe pitching, has something of a split personality. Millions of people occasionally play golf croquet or the backyard game, under the standard rules or not-so-standard rules, but there are only about 10,000 American players seriously involved with the six-wicket games. It takes a good deal of experience to reach the top level of play, because croquet requires an unusual combination of physical skills with strategic and tactical planning. In this respect, it resembles billiards more than any other sport. The ability to make shots is only a fraction of the game."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jun  7, 2002 (03:09)", "body": "For many more details on roque, see http://www.spring.net/roque I am definitely a roque player and not a croquet player. It is my dream to construct a roque court at my place in Cedar Creek, Texas. I was fortunate enough to grow up playing roque during summers when my family visited my Grandfather Ed Fraunethal's cottage. Chautauqua, Illinois, where we stayed, was one of the few towns to have two full fledged roque courts with formed concrete boundary walls and hard packed sand surfaces. I reminisce about this a lot more at the above url. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 61, "subject": "sports on tv", "response_count": 4, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jun 20, 2002 (11:49)", "body": "NATIONAL COVERAGE TIME CHANNEL WORLD CUP SOCCER: Quarterfinals - United States vs. Germany 7 a.m. ESPN TENNIS: 2002 Britannic Asset Management International Championships, Semifinals 1 p.m. ESPN COLLEGE BASEBALL: 2002 NCAA World Series, Game 13 - Teams TBD (if necessary) 2 p.m. ESPN2 GOLF: PGA Canon Greater Hartford Open, Second Round 3 p.m. ESPN AUTO RACING: NASCAR Winston Cup Dodge/Save Mart 350 Qualifying 5 p.m. FOX Sports Net BASEBALL: White Sox at Braves 7:30 p.m. TBS WORLD CUP SOCCER: Quarterfinals - Korea Republic vs. Spain 2:25 a.m. ESPN2 ESPN Networks afternoon/evening programming 6:00 pm SPORTSCENTER 7:00 pm SIDELINES: L.A. HOOPS (RECAP) - 90 MINUTES 8:00 pm 2002 WNBA BASKETBALL: NEW YORK LIBERTY VS CLEVELAND ROCKERS 10:00 pm BASEBALL TONIGHT 11:00 pm SPORTSCENTER Complete Listings 5:00 pm WEGMANS ROCHESTER LPGA 7:00 pm 2002 NCAA COLLEGE WORLD SERIES - GAME 14 (IF NEC.) 10:00 pm ESPN2 FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS: ANN WOLFE VS. VIENNA WILLIAMS Complete Listings 5:00 pm DUKE BLUE DEVILS AT NORTH CAROLINA TAR HEELS (1988: 01/21/88 7:00 pm 1983 BRITISH OPEN FILM 8:00 pm SPORTSCENTURY: GEORGE STEINBRENNER 8:30 pm SPORTSCENTURY: FLORENCE GRIFFITH JOYNER 9:00 pm OKLAHOMA SOONERS VS TEXAS LONGHORNS: 10/14/95 11:00 pm SPORTSCENTURY: GEORGE STEINBRENNER 11:30 pm SPORTSCENTURY: FLORENCE GRIFFITH JOYNER Complete Listings"}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Aug 18, 2002 (23:01)", "body": "They're supposed to carry the America's Cup races in December on American telly. Not sure where yet. Stay tuned."}, {"response": 3, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (22:11)", "body": "Gonna watch the Lakers game tonight."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr  2, 2006 (11:18)", "body": "PITTSBURGH, March 30 /PRNewswire/ -- With over 100 hours of televised college basketball during March, following the Olympics, NFL playoffs and the Super Bowl, what's the impact of all this sports watching on relationships? Turns out there can be a significant effect on intimacy when both partners don't share the sports passion. National advertising agency MARC USA commissioned a survey to see what happens when one spouse/partner watches a lot more TV sports than the other. The survey was conducted by OpinionZone.com, the agency's independent online research panel, and reached a representative sample of nearly 800 households nationwide. Analysis identified two key groups among respondents -- Sports Fans and Sufferers. Sports Fans are those who watch televised sports heavily while their partners seldom or never watch. Sufferers are those who seldom or never watch while their partners watch heavily. Nearly one in four (24%) Sufferers report a short-term negative impact on their relationship from their partner watching TV sports. Only half as many Sports Fans (12%) perceive short-term negative effects. The differing perceptions appear to continue with 18% Sufferers seeing a long-term negative effect compared to only 12% Sports Fans. Perhaps, they need to turn off the TV and start talking or some could end up watching TV in different homes. So what's the cause of the negative relationship effects of televised sports? Respondents were asked to identify what gets inhibited by watching sports on TV. Communication heads the list for both Sufferers (43%) and Sports Fans (39%). There's also little disagreement about the reduction in quality family time reported by 32% Sufferers and 35% Sports Fans. Agreement breaks down when it comes to intimacy with 29% Sufferers citing a negative effect from TV sports, but only 19% Sports Fans seeing any inhibition in intimacy. On the flipside, Sports Fans report a greater inhibition of sleep (SF-27%, S-18%) and proper eating (SF-29%, S-20%), plus a trend toward getting less exercise (SF-32%, S-27%) and doing fewer household chores (SF-34%, S-28%) than do their partners. Maybe Sports Fans don't realize that reduced sleep, junk food, little exercise and not doing chores -- all combined with hours in front of the TV -- are taking a toll on their sex lives, but their partners seem to be noticing. So what do Sufferers do while their partners are glued to the game ... and what do their watching partners think they're doing? Both Sufferers (41%) and Sports Fans (40%) agree the non-watching partner \"gets stuff accomplished.\" Of course, if there's resentment from the one getting stuff done, this could be another reason for a negative effect on the relationship. Sports Fans appear more likely to report their non-watching spouse/partner is doing personal shopping (SF-30%, S-25%), while Sufferers seem more likely to report spending time with friends or family (S-32%, SF-26%). There's also disparity when it comes to nagging and guilt. Sufferers appear to see themselves as nagging more than their partners think they do (S-26%, SF-21%). Maybe Sports Fans don't feel the nagging as much because they're already feeling guilty (SF-22%, S-15%) or just not paying attention. So, what are the implications with NBA and NHL playoffs, baseball, golf, tennis, and NASCAR all revving up? \"The relationship component most impacted by televised sports is communication,\" points out Karen Leitze, SVP/Director of Strategic Planning and Research at MARC USA. \"Our survey seems to indicate that paying more attention to communication is key for couples that include a Sports Fan and a Sufferer. Maybe, it's also time for Sports Fans to invite the suffering spouse/partner to get into the game.\" Website: http://www.opinionzone.com/ Website: http://www.marcusa.com/ sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 62, "subject": "Ted Williams", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jul  9, 2002 (08:17)", "body": "I'm gonna freeze this topic in tribute to Ted Williams."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jul 12, 2002 (18:01)", "body": "Top Ten Good Things About Being Cryogenically Frozen 10. Never again have to answer the question, \"Hot enough for ya?\" 9. You can request that you be frozen while making a funny face 8. When you come back to life, you get to keep your frequent flier miles 7. Pale blue translucent skin complements hazel eyes 6. If your name is Jim, friends and family will refer to you as \"Jimsicle\" 5. You + Walt Disney = Best friends in the 25th century 4. When they thaw you out in a few thousand years you'll have lots of stuff to watch on TiVo 3. It's a million times more refreshing than biting into a York Peppermint Patty 2. It hasn't hurt Al Gore, am I right people? 1. You're still warmer than those poor bastards in the audience of the Ed Sullivan Theater From Letterman's Top Ten sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 63, "subject": "football pool 2002", "response_count": 289, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 2002 (10:26)", "body": "Thursday, August 22 - College VIRGINIA 2.5 colorado state Friday, August 23 - College WISCONSIN 7.0 fresno state Saturday, August 24 - College IOWA STATE NL florida state NEBRASKA 21.5 arizona state NO CAROLINA ST 12.5 new mexico OHIO STATE 6.5 texas tech florida state 22.5 IOWA STATE Sunday, August 25 - College VIRGINIA TECH 37.0 arkansas state The rules are simple: Each player begins with a stake of 7500 virtual dollars. You get your stake when you post your first bet in the Spring Virtual Football Pool Every week when there are college or (non-exhibition) NFL games, I'll post the betting lines for those games the Tuesday before. Bet as much or as little as you want on as many games as you want. Bets must be in whole dollars. To bet on a game, post in this topic. Bets should be the amount, followed by the team you are betting for against the spread. As an example, to bet 100 virtual dollars on the Dallas Cowboys and 400 dollars on the Longhorns of University of Texas, just post: 100 Cowboys 400 Texas To avoid confusion between pro and college teams, use the name of the school for college games and the team nickname for pro games. And that's it! Join the fun!"}, {"response": 2, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (10:07)", "body": "100 Wisconsin 400 Texas"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (19:27)", "body": "Too late for Wisconsin, they've already played and too early for Texas. No line out yhet. You can re place it when the line gets posted."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 25, 2002 (19:30)", "body": "Winner Loser spread score fresno state WISCONSIN + 7.0 21-23 IOWA STATE florida state +22.5 31-38 NEBRASKA arizona state -21.5 48-10 NO CAROLINA ST new mexico -12.5 34-14 OHIO STATE texas tech - 6.5 45-21"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug 28, 2002 (11:56)", "body": "This week's lines: Thursday, August 29 - College BRIGHAM YOUNG 2.0 syracuse FRESNO STATE 17.0 san diego state wake forest 2.0 NO ILLINOIS Friday, August 30 - College oklahoma 36.5 TULSA Saturday, August 31 - College ALABAMA 19.0 mid tennessee ARKANSAS STATE NL san jose state BOISE STATE 23.0 idaho BOSTON COLLEGE 33.0 connecticut CALIFORNIA 9.5 baylor colorado 7.5 COLORADO STATE east carolina 14.5 DUKE FLORIDA 33.0 uab FLORIDA STATE 26.0 virginia GEORGIA 9.0 clemson GEORGIA TECH 20.0 vanderbilt illinois 7.5 MISSOURI IOWA 18.5 akron IOWA STATE 21.0 kansas LOUISIANA TECH 1.0 oklahoma state MARYLAND NL notre dame MICHIGAN NL washington MICHIGAN STATE 37.5 e michigan MISSISSIPPI NL la monroe NEBRASKA 35.5 troy state NORTH CAROLINA 8.0 miami ohio northwestern pick AIR FORCE OREGON 9.0 mississippi st PENN STATE 12.5 central florida PITTSBURGH 21.0 ohio RICE 8.0 houston SO METHODIST 11.5 navy SOUTH CAROLINA 23.5 new mexico state TENNESSEE 31.0 wyoming TEXAS 37.0 north texas TEXAS A&M 28.0 la lafayette UNLV NL wisconsin utah 10.5 UTAH STATE WASHINGTON STATE 27.0 nevada Sunday, September 1 - College LOUISVILLE NL kentucky VIRGINIA TECH NL louisiana state Monday, September 2 - College CINCINNATI NL texas christian USC NL auburn"}, {"response": 6, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Aug 28, 2002 (13:33)", "body": "200 florida 300 texas"}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Aug 29, 2002 (00:00)", "body": "PENN STATE 400 (We play Central Florida?! We'll lose -just watch!) How dare 'bama beat MTSU !!! I'll give 50 cents to see them win!"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 29, 2002 (09:21)", "body": "500 texas 100 houston 400 north carolina"}, {"response": 9, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 2002 (16:55)", "body": ""}, {"response": 10, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Fri, Aug 30, 2002 (16:58)", "body": "legaffe 7,500 north texas state"}, {"response": 11, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sat, Aug 31, 2002 (13:58)", "body": "Frans 500 on Texas"}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 2002 (14:11)", "body": "Well, looks like legaffe has rocketed into first place with his do or die bet against his favorite team. And the rest of the crowd will drop a bit, official results will be posted Tuesday."}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 2002 (17:06)", "body": "Here are the results, how did you do? What is your virtual fortune now. We know George's is 15,000 bucks. Winner Loser spread score Friday's games BRIGHAM YOUNG syracuse - 2.0 42-21 NO ILLINOIS wake forest + 2.0 42-41 san diego state FRESNO STATE +17.0 14-16 Saturday's games: AIR FORCE northwestern + 0.0 52- 3 CALIFORNIA baylor - 9.5 70-22 central florida PENN STATE +12.5 24-27 clemson GEORGIA + 9.0 28-31 colorado state COLORADO + 7.5 19-14 connecticut BOSTON COLLEGE +33.0 16-24 DUKE east carolina +14.5 23-16 FLORIDA uab -33.0 51- 3 GEORGIA TECH vanderbilt -20.0 45- 3 houston RICE + 8.0 24-10 idaho BOISE STATE +23.0 21-38 IOWA akron -18.5 57-21 IOWA STATE kansas -21.0 45- 3 la lafayette TEXAS A&M +28.0 7-31 la monroe MISSISSIPPI +31.0 3-31 LOUISIANA TECH oklahoma state - 1.0 39-36 miami ohio NORTH CAROLINA + 8.0 27-21 MICHIGAN STATE e michigan -37.5 56- 7 mid tennessee ALABAMA +19.0 34-39 missouri ILLINOIS + 7.5 33-20 navy SO METHODIST +11.5 38- 7 nevada WASHINGTON STATE +27.0 7-31 new mexico st SOUTH CAROLINA +23.5 24-34 north texas TEXAS +37.0 0-27 NOTRE DAME maryland - 2.0 22- 0 ohio PITTSBURGH +21.0 14-27 OREGON mississippi st - 9.0 36-13 TENNESSEE wyoming -31.0 47- 7 troy state NEBRASKA +35.5 16-31 utah UTAH STATE -10.5 23- 3 virginia FLORIDA STATE +26.0 19-40 washington MICHIGAN + 5.5 29-31 wisconsin UNLV - 4.5 27- 7"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 2002 (17:08)", "body": "I won the houston rice bet, they won 24-10 I won north carolina Lost Texas So I'm even at 7,500 still."}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 2002 (17:12)", "body": "The results so far. Correct me if my math is off. Each player is required to verify my results before the next line is posted on Tuesday. If you don't catch any mistakes on my part by then, then these scores stand. George 15000 Marci 7900 Paul 7500 Joe 7400 Frans 7000"}, {"response": 16, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 2002 (17:33)", "body": "I'LL Stand by the your scoring Paul can George be my Agent. Joe"}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 2002 (17:52)", "body": "He can be your agent but you can't move money between you."}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 2002 (23:45)", "body": "Rumor has it, mind you just a rumor, Frans may toss up a Hail Mary next week in an effort to catch George. We'll see. George may have put us all in the position of having to take greater risks or will he throw antoher Hail Mary?"}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 2002 (12:07)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, September 5 - College oregon state 11.5 TEMPLE Friday, September 6 - College BRIGHAM YOUNG 10.5 hawaii Saturday, September 7 - College AIR FORCE 6.0 new mexico ARIZONA STATE 4.0 central florida ARKANSAS 7.5 boise state BOSTON COLLEGE 7.0 stanford CALIFORNIA 13.0 new mexico state C MICHIGAN 1.0 wyoming CLEMSON 12.5 louisiana tech COLORADO 24.5 san diego state FLORIDA 1.5 miami fla georgia tech 23.0 CONNECTICUT HOUSTON 3.0 tulane iowa 5.0 MIAMI OHIO KANSAS STATE 39.0 la monroe KENTUCKY 19.0 texas el paso louisville 17.0 DUKE MARYLAND 22.5 akron MICHIGAN STATE 25.5 rice MICHIGAN 23.0 w michigan minnesota 13.5 LA LAFAYETTE MISSISSIPPI 9.0 memphis no carolina st 18.5 NAVY NOTRE DAME 6.5 purdue OHIO STATE 29.0 kent state OKLAHOMA 13.5 alabama RUTGERS 8.5 buffalo SO MISSISSIPPI 4.0 illinois south carolina 3.5 VIRGINIA SOUTH FLORIDA 6.0 no illinois SYRACUSE 6.0 north carolina TENNESSEE 23.0 mid tennessee texas a&m 3.5 PITTSBURGH texas tech 17.5 SO METHODIST toledo 22.5 E MICHIGAN tulsa 4.5 ARKANSAS STATE UAB 3.0 troy state UCLA 7.5 colorado state UNLV 14.0 kansas UTAH 13.5 indiana WAKE FOREST 4.5 east carolina WASHINGTON 30.0 san jose state WASHINGTON STATE 28.0 idaho WISCONSIN 11.0 west virginia MISSOURI NL ball state NEBRASKA NL utah state NORTHWESTERN NL texas christian OREGON NL fresno state This week's NFL lines: Thursday, September 5 - NFL niners 3.0 GIANTS Sunday, September 8 - NFL BEARS 4.5 vikings BENGALS 2.0 chargers BROWNS 2.5 chiefs BUCCANEERS 6.0 saints colts 3.5 JAGUARS cowboys 8.0 TEXANS DOLPHINS 8.5 lions jets 3.0 BILLS PACKERS 7.0 falcons RAIDERS 7.0 seahawks rams 3.0 BRONCOS ravens 2.0 PANTHERS REDSKINS 7.0 cardinals TITANS 1.0 eagles Monday, September 9 - NFL steelers 2.5 PATRIOTS"}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 2002 (12:07)", "body": "100 Oregon State"}, {"response": 21, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 2002 (16:19)", "body": "1000 redskins"}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  6, 2002 (17:19)", "body": "1000 Colorado State"}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  9, 2002 (13:47)", "body": "College results: Winner Loser spread score AIR FORCE new mexico - 6.0 38-31 alabama OKLAHOMA +13.5 27-37 ARIZONA STATE central florida - 4.0 46-13 ARKANSAS boise state - 7.5 41-14 ARKANSAS STATE tulsa + 4.5 21-19 BOSTON COLLEGE stanford - 7.0 34-27 PUSH buffalo RUTGERS + 8.5 34-11 C MICHIGAN wyoming - 1.0 32-20 CALIFORNIA new mexico state -13.0 34-13 CLEMSON louisiana tech -12.5 33-13 CONNECTICUT georgia tech +23.0 14-31 fresno state OREGON +16.5 24-28 illinois SO MISSISSIPPI + 4.0 20-23 kansas UNLV +14.0 20-31 KANSAS STATE la monroe -39.0 68- 0 KENTUCKY texas el paso -19.0 77-17 louisville DUKE -17.0 40- 3 MARYLAND akron -22.5 44-14 miami fla FLORIDA + 1.5 41-16 MIAMI OHIO iowa + 5.0 24-29 PUSH MICHIGAN w michigan -23.0 35-12 PUSH minnesota LA LAFAYETTE -13.5 35-11 MISSISSIPPI memphis - 9.0 38-16 MISSOURI ball state -14.0 41- 6 NEBRASKA utah state -30.5 44-13 no carolina st NAVY -18.5 65-19 north carolina SYRACUSE + 6.0 30-22 NOTRE DAME purdue - 6.5 24-17 OHIO STATE kent state -29.0 51-17 PITTSBURGH texas a&m + 3.5 12-14 rice MICHIGAN STATE +25.5 10-27 san diego state COLORADO +24.5 14-34 san jose state WASHINGTON +30.0 10-34 SO METHODIST texas tech +17.5 14-24 SOUTH FLORIDA no illinois - 6.0 37- 6 TENNESSEE mid tennessee -23.0 26- 3 PUSH texas christian NORTHWESTERN - 6.0 48-24 toledo E MICHIGAN -22.5 65-13 troy state UAB + 3.0 26-27 tulane HOUSTON + 3.0 34-13 UCLA colorado state - 7.5 30-19 UTAH indiana -13.5 40-13 VIRGINIA south carolina + 3.5 34-21 WAKE FOREST east carolina - 4.5 27-22 WASHINGTON STATE idaho -28.0 49-14 WISCONSIN west virginia -11.0 34-17 Home team is in CAPS NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BRONCOS rams + 3.0 23-16 chargers BENGALS + 2.0 34- 6 chiefs BROWNS + 2.5 40-39 DOLPHINS lions - 8.5 49-21 falcons PACKERS + 7.0 34-37 JAGUARS colts + 3.5 25-28 jets BILLS - 3.0 37-31 PANTHERS ravens + 2.0 10- 7 RAIDERS seahawks - 7.0 31-17 REDSKINS cardinals - 7.0 31-23 saints BUCCANEERS + 6.0 26-20 TEXANS cowboys + 8.0 19-10 TITANS eagles - 1.0 27-24 vikings BEARS + 4.5 23-27 The Redskins made their spread by one point!"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  9, 2002 (13:53)", "body": "Almost forgot Thursdays results: Winner Loser spread score oregon state TEMPLE -11.5 35- 3 GIANTS niners + 3.0 13-16 PUSH"}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  9, 2002 (13:57)", "body": "The new standings George 15000 Joe 8400 Marci 7900 Frans 7000 Paul 6600 George, Frans and Marci sat on the sidelines this week. I slipped to last. Joe rocketed up to second on his Redskins win."}, {"response": 26, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  9, 2002 (13:57)", "body": "1000 Patriots"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 2002 (22:30)", "body": "Here ya' go guys! College lines for Week 4: Thursday, September 12 - College VIRGINIA TECH 11.0 marshall Saturday, September 14 - College ALABAMA 21.0 north texas arizona state 5.0 SAN DIEGO STATE ARKANSAS 11.5 south florida army 4.5 RUTGERS AUBURN 21.0 vanderbilt boise state 9.0 WYOMING brigham young 15.0 NEVADA c michigan 2.0 AKRON CINCINNATI 5.0 west virginia COLORADO STATE 2.0 louisville COLORADO 2.5 usc connecticut 2.0 BUFFALO EAST CAROLINA 8.5 tulane FLORIDA 41.5 ohio florida state 14.0 MARYLAND georgia 5.0 SOUTH CAROLINA georgia tech 1.0 CLEMSON HOUSTON 8.0 la lafayette ILLINOIS 31.5 arkansas state IOWA 3.5 iowa state KENTUCKY 16.5 indiana LOUISIANA STATE 13.0 miami ohio LOUISIANA TECH 21.0 tulsa miami fla 38.0 TEMPLE michigan 3.5 NOTRE DAME MICHIGAN STATE 14.0 california MINNESOTA 6.5 toledo missouri 4.0 BOWLING GREEN nebraska 6.0 PENN STATE NEW MEXICO 9.5 baylor NO CAROLINA ST 13.5 wake forest NORTHWESTERN 6.5 duke OHIO STATE 8.0 washington state OKLAHOMA 43.0 texas el paso OKLAHOMA STATE 7.0 ucla OREGON 32.0 idaho OREGON STATE 16.0 unlv pittsburgh 6.5 UAB PURDUE 17.0 w michigan SO MISSISSIPPI 10.5 memphis STANFORD 19.0 san jose state *texas 13.0 NORTH CAROLINA TEXAS CHRISTIAN 17.0 so methodist TEXAS TECH 4.0 mississippi utah 3.0 ARIZONA WISCONSIN 21.5 no illinois NFL lines for this week: Sunday, September 15 - NFL BROWNS 4.5 bengals buccaneers 3.5 RAVENS CHARGERS 13.0 texans CHIEFS 4.5 jaguars dolphins 2.5 COLTS FALCONS 2.5 bears JETS NL patriots NINERS 3.5 broncos packers 2.5 SAINTS PANTHERS 3.5 lions RAMS 13.0 giants SEAHAWKS 3.5 cardinals STEELERS NL raiders titans 3.0 COWBOYS VIKINGS 5.0 bills Monday, September 16 - NFL eagles 2.5 REDSKINS"}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 10, 2002 (22:35)", "body": "The new standings after my Patriots win. George 15000 Joe 8400 Marci 7900 Paul 7600 Frans 7000"}, {"response": 29, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 2002 (16:42)", "body": "I'd not dare to guess on the Hawaii game! Michigan State 500 Rutgers 500"}, {"response": 30, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 2002 (16:59)", "body": "Try my luck again with the REDSKINS REDSKINS 1000 The Newcastle for the Champions league and the English league. Joe"}, {"response": 31, "author": "fransv", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 2002 (18:16)", "body": "okay lets do it!!!!!!!!! 6000 on texas 13.0 N. Carol."}, {"response": 32, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 2002 (20:19)", "body": "Wow, Frans is throwing up a hail Mary. Will this put the pressure on George?"}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 12, 2002 (08:23)", "body": "2000 Texas"}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 12, 2002 (09:07)", "body": "Remember, Texas is a 13 point favorite over North Carolina, Mac Browns old team and the game is in NC. The offensive line is going to have to step up more and give Cedric a chance to run if the Horns are going to have success. Cedric did not have a very good game in the opener, which was a huge dissappointment."}, {"response": 35, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Sep 12, 2002 (11:51)", "body": "2000 Texas"}, {"response": 36, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 12, 2002 (12:23)", "body": "Kickoff for the Texas game is 7 pm on Saturday, CST. What time zone are you in Joe and what time would that be there?"}, {"response": 37, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Sep 12, 2002 (17:41)", "body": "the time zone here is British summer time and the match here will be 0100 Sunday morning sometimes we see the match over here and I watch them if Mary is watching a film if not bed and with me being a good husband I comply with her wishes. Joe ps we call it british summer time but what does SUMMER mean?"}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 12, 2002 (19:34)", "body": "Yeah, I think Frans said it was about 2 his time. George hasn't checked in yet! Is he playing it cool?"}, {"response": 39, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 2002 (08:33)", "body": "Yes Frans is 1 Hr ahead of us. George is playing the dark horse and will come back with a late run. Joe"}, {"response": 40, "author": "george", "date": "Fri, Sep 13, 2002 (19:06)", "body": "$15,000 on ut austin"}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 14, 2002 (08:08)", "body": "Holy Cow!"}, {"response": 42, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sat, Sep 14, 2002 (12:07)", "body": "as I said the dark horse is running Joe"}, {"response": 43, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 14, 2002 (23:48)", "body": "Texas won in a rout, 51-21. 30,000 George 13,000 Frans 10,400 Joe 8,600 Terry 7,900 Marci Michigan State got blasted by Notre Dame and Rutgers beat Army 44-0. Redskins play Monday night, Joe. The Monday Night football game is fair game still."}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 14, 2002 (23:49)", "body": "Correction, the Texas score was 52-21. It was a closer game than that."}, {"response": 45, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Sep 15, 2002 (06:16)", "body": "Paul did George give Texas 10% of his virtual winnings. Joe"}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 15, 2002 (09:51)", "body": "Can't, against the rules. For a while, Texas looked like it might blow the spread. They had a temporary meltdown right after the half. Benson had a great rushing game, over 200 yeards and Simms was razor sharp on the passing attack, especially the long passes."}, {"response": 47, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Sep 15, 2002 (09:59)", "body": "Sounds like it was a good game? Do we in Europe get odds of 2 to 1 as we do not know the games? lol Joe"}, {"response": 48, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 15, 2002 (12:38)", "body": "No can have, Joe."}, {"response": 49, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 2002 (07:38)", "body": "Sunday night result: raiders STEELERS + 4.0 30-17 Monday night result: eagles REDSKINS - 2.5 37- 7 College lines for this week: Thursday, September 19 - College auburn 1.0 MISSISSIPPI ST Friday, September 20 - College MARSHALL 10.0 central florida Saturday, September 21 - College ALABAMA 7.5 so mississippi BAYLOR 10.5 tulsa bowling green 10.0 KANSAS CALIFORNIA 9.5 air force CLEMSON 26.0 ball state CONNECTICUT 3.5 ohio FLORIDA STATE 45.0 duke GEORGIA TECH 9.0 brigham young hawaii 20.0 TEXAS EL PASO ILLINOIS 24.0 san jose state INDIANA 6.5 c michigan IOWA 21.0 utah state IOWA STATE 17.0 troy state KANSAS STATE 3.0 usc KENTUCKY 6.5 mid tennessee LA MONROE 3.5 arkansas state louisville 26.0 ARMY MARYLAND 35.0 e michigan MIAMI FLA 26.5 boston college MIAMI OHIO 13.0 kent state MICHIGAN 9.5 utah MICHIGAN STATE 2.0 notre dame MINNESOTA 32.0 buffalo MISSISSIPPI 21.0 vanderbilt NAVY 3.0 northwestern NEVADA 7.0 rice ohio state 15.5 CINCINNATI OKLAHOMA STATE 15.5 so methodist OREGON STATE 11.0 fresno state PENN STATE 14.5 louisiana tech PITTSBURGH 26.0 rutgers PURDUE 10.5 wake forest san diego state 7.5 IDAHO SOUTH CAROLINA 14.5 temple TENNESSEE 3.5 florida *TEXAS 37.0 houston TEXAS CHRISTIAN 12.5 north texas TEXAS TECH 2.5 no carolina st TOLEDO 7.0 unlv uab 7.5 LA LAFAYETTE VIRGINIA 22.5 akron virginia tech 3.0 TEXAS A&M WASHINGTON 31.0 wyoming WISCONSIN 6.0 arizona MEMPHIS NL tulane NEW MEXICO ST NL new mexico UCLA NL colorado NFL lines for this week: Sunday, September 22 - NFL BEARS 2.5 saints BRONCOS 9.0 bills chargers 1.0 CARDINALS colts 12.5 TEXANS DOLPHINS 6.0 jets FALCONS 7.5 bengals GIANTS 6.0 seahawks packers 8.0 LIONS PATRIOTS 8.5 chiefs TITANS 4.5 browns VIKINGS 6.0 panthers EAGLES NL cowboys NINERS NL redskins Monday, September 23 - NFL rams 1.5 BUCCANEERS"}, {"response": 50, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 2002 (07:40)", "body": "Last Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score ALABAMA north texas -21.0 33- 7 ARIZONA utah + 3.0 23-17 ARKANSAS south florida -11.5 42- 3 AUBURN vanderbilt -21.0 31- 6 boise state WYOMING - 9.0 35-13 BOWLING GREEN missouri + 4.0 51-28 c michigan AKRON - 2.0 24-17 california MICHIGAN STATE +14.0 46-22 CLEMSON georgia tech + 1.0 24-19 COLORADO STATE louisville - 2.0 36-33 connecticut BUFFALO - 2.0 24- 3 duke NORTHWESTERN + 6.5 21-26 florida state MARYLAND -14.0 37-10 georgia SOUTH CAROLINA - 5.0 13- 7 HOUSTON la lafayette - 8.0 36-17 ILLINOIS arkansas state -31.5 59- 7 indiana KENTUCKY +16.5 17-27 iowa state IOWA + 3.5 36-31 LOUISIANA STATE miami ohio -13.0 33- 7 LOUISIANA TECH tulsa -21.0 53- 9 MINNESOTA toledo - 6.5 31-21 NEVADA brigham young +15.0 31-28 NEW MEXICO baylor - 9.5 23- 0 NO CAROLINA ST wake forest -13.5 32-13 no illinois WISCONSIN +21.5 21-24 NOTRE DAME michigan + 3.5 25-23 ohio FLORIDA +41.5 6-34 OHIO STATE washington state - 8.0 25- 7 OKLAHOMA texas el paso -43.0 68- 0 OREGON idaho -32.0 58-21 OREGON STATE unlv -16.0 47-17 PENN STATE nebraska + 6.0 40- 7 RUTGERS army + 4.5 44- 0 SAN DIEGO STATE arizona state + 5.0 28-32 so methodist TEXAS CHRISTIAN +17.0 6-17 SO MISSISSIPPI memphis -10.5 33- 7 STANFORD san jose state -19.0 63-26 TEMPLE miami fla +38.0 21-44 texas NORTH CAROLINA -13.0 52-21 TEXAS TECH mississippi - 4.0 42-28 tulane EAST CAROLINA + 8.5 20-24 UAB pittsburgh + 6.5 20-26 ucla OKLAHOMA STATE + 7.0 38-24 usc COLORADO + 2.5 40- 3 w michigan PURDUE +17.0 24-28 west virginia CINCINNATI + 5.0 35-32 Last Sunday's results Winner Loser spread score bears FALCONS + 2.5 14-13 bills VIKINGS + 5.0 45-39 broncos NINERS + 3.5 24-14 BROWNS bengals - 4.5 20- 7 buccaneers RAVENS - 3.5 25- 0 cardinals SEAHAWKS + 3.5 24-13 CHARGERS texans -13.0 24- 3 COWBOYS titans + 3.0 21-13 dolphins COLTS - 2.5 21-13 giants RAMS +13.0 26-21 jaguars CHIEFS + 4.5 23-16 PANTHERS lions - 3.5 31- 7 patriots JETS + 1.5 44- 7 SAINTS packers + 2.5 35-20"}, {"response": 51, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 2002 (07:42)", "body": "Current Standings 30,000 George 13,000 Frans 11,400 Joe 8,600 Terry 7,900 Marci"}, {"response": 52, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 2002 (15:36)", "body": "Hi Paul should I not be 12.400 as I put 1000 on the Redskins and I was 10.400 before the match but there again I do not understand the game yet. Joe soon to be a senior citizen"}, {"response": 53, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 2002 (12:06)", "body": "Correction 9400 Joe So, it's 30,000 George 13,000 Frans 9,400 Joe 8,600 Terry 7,900 Marci"}, {"response": 54, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 2002 (12:22)", "body": "are well you win some and lose some nearly bankrupt I will be begging in the street soon for virtual money. Joe"}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 2002 (13:07)", "body": "You're ahead of the odds, Joe! You've gained $1900 in just over a week."}, {"response": 56, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 2002 (17:38)", "body": "Yes I agree but Mary has started decorating the house can I get virtual wallpaper with the winings?. Joe"}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 2002 (18:56)", "body": "Sure you can anything with your winnings as long as it's virtual."}, {"response": 58, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 2002 (15:19)", "body": "9000 houston Joe"}, {"response": 59, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 2002 (16:32)", "body": ""}, {"response": 60, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 2002 (16:34)", "body": "30,000 on the university of houston"}, {"response": 61, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 2002 (16:54)", "body": "6000 NAVADA 6000 uni Houston"}, {"response": 62, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (02:55)", "body": "60,000 George 21,400 Joe 19,000 Frans (haven't seen Nevada score yet so doesn't count this yet) 8,600 Terry 7,900 Marci"}, {"response": 63, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (05:50)", "body": "okay you all !!!!! Nevada got a victorie over Rice with 31-21 so thats more as 7 my results are now (i think 19.000 + 6000 )= 25.000 I will try a Sunday 22-9 NFL game !!!! 20.000 on Patriots 8,5 again's Chiefs ."}, {"response": 64, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (08:49)", "body": "60,000 George 25,000 Frans 21.400 Joe 8,600 Terry 7,900 Marci Frans zooms in to second place."}, {"response": 65, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (08:49)", "body": "Results for College Football, week of 0923 Winner Loser spread score air force CALIFORNIA + 9.5 23-21 akron VIRGINIA +22.5 29-48 ALABAMA so mississippi - 7.5 20- 7 arkansas state LA MONROE + 3.5 33-21 auburn MISSISSIPPI ST - 1.0 42-14 ball state CLEMSON +26.0 7-30 BAYLOR tulsa -10.5 37-25 bowling green KANSAS -10.0 39-16 buffalo MINNESOTA +32.0 17-41 central florida MARSHALL +10.0 21-26 CINCINNATI ohio state +15.5 19-23 colorado UCLA +11.5 31-17 CONNECTICUT ohio - 3.5 37-19 duke FLORIDA STATE +45.0 17-48 florida TENNESSEE + 3.5 30-13 GEORGIA TECH brigham young - 9.0 28-19 PUSH hawaii TEXAS EL PASO -20.0 31- 6 houston TEXAS +37.0 11-41 IDAHO san diego state + 7.5 48-38 INDIANA c michigan - 6.5 39-29 IOWA utah state -21.0 48- 7 IOWA STATE troy state -17.0 42-12 KANSAS STATE usc - 3.0 27-20 kent state MIAMI OHIO +13.0 20-27 KENTUCKY mid tennessee - 6.5 44-22 LA LAFAYETTE uab + 7.5 34- 0 louisville ARMY -26.0 45-14 MARYLAND e michigan -35.0 45- 3 MEMPHIS tulane - 7.0 38-10 MIAMI FLA boston college -26.5 38- 6 NEVADA rice - 7.0 31-21 no carolina st TEXAS TECH + 2.5 51-48 north texas TEXAS CHRISTIAN +12.5 10-16 northwestern NAVY + 3.0 49-40 notre dame MICHIGAN STATE + 2.0 21-17 OKLAHOMA STATE so methodist -15.5 52-16 OREGON STATE fresno state -11.0 59-19 PENN STATE louisiana tech -14.5 49-17 rutgers PITTSBURGH +26.0 3-23 san jose state ILLINOIS +24.0 38-35 SOUTH CAROLINA temple -14.5 42-21 TOLEDO unlv - 7.0 38-21 utah MICHIGAN + 9.5 7-10 vanderbilt MISSISSIPPI +21.0 38-45 virginia tech TEXAS A&M - 3.0 13- 3 wake forest PURDUE +10.5 24-21 WASHINGTON wyoming -31.0 38- 7 PUSH WISCONSIN arizona - 6.0 31-10 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 66, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (08:51)", "body": "3000 Eagles 700 Bears 300 Vikings"}, {"response": 67, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (12:38)", "body": "2000 dolphins"}, {"response": 68, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (15:44)", "body": "5000 bears"}, {"response": 69, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 2002 (20:51)", "body": "The Dolphins rocked with Ricky Williams today. And former Longhorn Priest Holmes carried the KC Cheifs into overtime just now, with the score all knotted up.."}, {"response": 70, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (16:26)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score bills BRONCOS + 9.0 23-28 browns TITANS + 4.5 31-28 chargers CARDINALS - 1.0 23-15 chiefs PATRIOTS + 8.5 38-41 colts TEXANS -12.5 23- 3 DOLPHINS jets - 6.0 30- 3 EAGLES cowboys - 8.5 44-13 FALCONS bengals - 7.5 30- 3 LIONS packers + 8.0 31-37 NINERS redskins - 9.0 20-10 panthers VIKINGS + 6.0 21-14 saints BEARS + 2.5 29-23 seahawks GIANTS + 6.0 6- 9"}, {"response": 71, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (16:31)", "body": "How did everyone do? Report in with your wins and losses and then I'll post the results."}, {"response": 72, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (17:08)", "body": "Double check these ratings, did I get this right? Geo 60,000 Joe 16,400 Terry 12,600 Marci 7,900 Frans 6,000 Did I miss anything? Results are not final till everyone reviews them and agrees on my math (which is oftimes off)."}, {"response": 73, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (17:12)", "body": "So, with the tentative results, Joe moves in to second. Condolences to Frans, who slips in to last with his botched hail mary. George has quite a bit of breathing room up at the top, is it lonely at the top George? I'm real proud of the way two former Longhorns performed, Ricky Williams and Priest Homes. The Dolphins stock definitely went up, as did the Eagles.. y"}, {"response": 74, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (18:15)", "body": "as I said before the dark horse is running BUT watch the stalking horse. Joe"}, {"response": 75, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (18:46)", "body": "So Joe, do you agree with this week's results?"}, {"response": 76, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (19:12)", "body": "Yes I believe it is right but Frans seems to have lost quite a bit? I am enjoying this type of betting you have fun and lose nowt. Joe"}, {"response": 77, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 23, 2002 (20:24)", "body": "Frans will need to pump up his winnings from near ground zero now, but he can do it, because he is full of pumpitude!"}, {"response": 78, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 2002 (18:38)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, September 26 - College LOUISVILLE 15.0 florida state Friday, September 27 - College texas tech 7.0 NEW MEXICO Saturday, September 28 - College ARIZONA 14.5 north texas ARIZONA STATE 1.5 stanford AUBURN 13.5 syracuse BOISE STATE 18.0 utah state BOSTON COLLEGE 20.0 c michigan cincinnati 4.5 TEMPLE colorado state 12.0 NEVADA CONNECTICUT 5.5 ball state FLORIDA 20.0 kentucky fresno state 9.5 RICE GEORGIA 28.5 new mexico state georgia tech 2.5 NORTH CAROLINA HAWAII 21.0 so methodist IOWA STATE 1.0 nebraska kansas 4.5 TULSA LOUISIANA STATE 12.5 mississippi st memphis 7.0 UAB miami ohio 11.0 AKRON michigan 7.5 ILLINOIS MICHIGAN STATE 22.0 northwestern MISSOURI 10.5 troy state NAVY 2.5 duke NO ILLINOIS 6.0 kent state OHIO 8.0 buffalo OHIO STATE 26.5 indiana OKLAHOMA 27.5 south florida PENN STATE 8.0 iowa PITTSBURGH 4.5 toledo PURDUE 3.5 minnesota SAN JOSE STATE 17.0 texas el paso south carolina 10.5 VANDERBILT so mississipppi 28.5 ARMY TENNESSEE 40.5 rutgers texas 30.0 TULANE TEXAS A&M 12.0 louisiana tech ucla 14.5 SAN DIEGO STATE USC 3.5 oregon state UTAH 8.5 air force virginia tech 22.0 W MICHIGAN WAKE FOREST 1.5 virginia WASHINGTON 30.0 idaho WEST VIRGINIA 7.0 east carolina ARKANSAS NL alabama CALIFORNIA NL washington state This week's NFL lines: Sunday, September 29 - NFL BILLS 3.0 bears buccaneers 7.5 BENGALS dolphins 3.0 CHIEFS EAGLES 20.0 texans giants 3.0 CARDINALS JAGUARS 3.0 jets PACKERS 7.0 panthers patriots 3.0 CHARGERS RAIDERS 6.5 titans saints 7.5 LIONS SEAHAWKS 3.0 vikings STEELERS 6.5 browns RAMS NL cowboys Monday, September 30 - NFL broncos 7.5 RAVENS"}, {"response": 79, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 2002 (22:43)", "body": "CORRECTION! Thursday, September 26 - College florida state 15.0 LOUISVILLE Florida State is a 15-point *favorite* at Louisville, not a 15-point underdog. However, the Texans are really a 20-point dog."}, {"response": 80, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (12:58)", "body": "Hi Paul What is a 20-point dog does it mean they are wagging there tail and looking good?"}, {"response": 81, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (15:59)", "body": "Exactly Joe. Man, that Florida State bet would have been a sure winner, can you imagine Florida being a 15 point underdog to *Louisville*; no disrespect intended Marci! Still, I'll go for: 5000 Florida State"}, {"response": 82, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (17:24)", "body": "Ok I will back that as well 5000 Florida State Joe"}, {"response": 83, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (19:44)", "body": "Wonder if George will \"lay low\" this week? Frans must be suffering. Marci's busy continent hopping, she's \"on the go.\""}, {"response": 84, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 2002 (11:44)", "body": "George will come in at the last moment and bet 60.000 Frans will come back running"}, {"response": 85, "author": "fransv", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 2002 (12:06)", "body": "I will, wait til the last minut, i'have think about it !!!!!!!!"}, {"response": 86, "author": "fransv", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 2002 (07:17)", "body": "Look !! Florida lost by 20 to 27 I'm saving mony by waiting till Saterday game ! sorry Marci and Joe"}, {"response": 87, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 2002 (09:58)", "body": "Geo 60,000 Joe 11,400 Marci 7,900 Terry 7,600 Frans 6,000 I'm stunned. So must be Joe. Cardinals sank FSU in a torrential downpour. Louisville upset number 4 FSU 26-20. We can blame Isidore Joe!"}, {"response": 88, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 2002 (14:42)", "body": "are well you win some and lose some Bang goes my chicken house on mount everest Joe"}, {"response": 89, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 2002 (00:52)", "body": ""}, {"response": 90, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 2002 (10:25)", "body": "UT game time is at 2:30 today. I'm talking to George and Todd right now on the radio. George doesn't know what happened with his response, it's blank."}, {"response": 91, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 2002 (12:38)", "body": "de El Caballo Obscuro...... 10,000 on UT, Austin. Hook 'em"}, {"response": 92, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 2002 (14:18)", "body": "I'll follow George 5000 UT, Austin Joe"}, {"response": 93, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 2002 (18:17)", "body": "Sheesh, I wish I had bet the whole mess on Louisville for the Florida State game. What a mess it was. Dounpours and all but the town is in ecstacy and hind-sight is always 20-20. Where I am now, I can see the stadium and hear the PA announcer but cannot tell what he is saying. Great weather for football today. They have Cardinal Stadium booked solid all weekend - every weekend during football season. You guys are making me look bad. Sorry I missed this week's round, but things got really hectic here."}, {"response": 94, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 2002 (18:56)", "body": "Geo 70,000 Joe 16,400 Marci 7,900 Terry 7,600 Frans 6,000 Those 4 Longhorn *non*conference games were fun. Now bring on the *big guns*. And order up a virtual limo for George and chalk up that down payment on the Mty Everest chicken house fo r Joe. Are you ready for some *real* football games now, UT?"}, {"response": 95, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (05:46)", "body": "ok To day is my lucky day (?????????????????????????? )(i hope) put 5000 on The Patiots The will win over the Chargers."}, {"response": 96, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (05:58)", "body": "The New England Patriots (3-0) will try to close out the month of September as only the fifth team in franchise history to begin a campaign with a four-game winning streak when they trek cross-country to face the San Diego Chargers (3-0). The New England passing attack, which is averaging an NFL-best 316 yards per game, will be challenged by the Chargers top rated pass defense. . So I think i go for that 5 Grand !"}, {"response": 97, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (06:28)", "body": "Errata !! The Patriots currently hold a 10-game winning streak in the series, their longest against any opponent. The last time the Chargers defeated the Patriots was on Nov. 15, 1970."}, {"response": 98, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (09:28)", "body": "Your odds are decent, Frans. patriots 3.0 CHARGERS"}, {"response": 99, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (10:46)", "body": "college results: Winner Loser spread score air force UTAH + 8.5 30-26 alabama ARKANSAS + 4.5 30-12 ARIZONA STATE stanford - 1.5 65-24 ARMY so mississipppi +28.5 6-27 ball state CONNECTICUT + 5.5 24-21 BOISE STATE utah state -18.0 63-38 BOSTON COLLEGE c michigan -20.0 43- 0 buffalo OHIO + 8.0 32-34 cincinnati TEMPLE - 4.5 35-22 duke NAVY + 2.5 43-17 GEORGIA new mexico state -28.5 41-10 georgia tech NORTH CAROLINA - 2.5 21-13 idaho WASHINGTON +30.0 27-41 iowa PENN STATE + 8.0 42-35 IOWA STATE nebraska - 1.0 36-14 kansas TULSA - 4.5 43-33 kentucky FLORIDA +20.0 34-39 LOUISIANA STATE mississippi st -12.5 31-13 LOUISVILLE florida state +15.0 26-20 miami ohio AKRON -11.0 48-31 michigan ILLINOIS - 7.5 45-28 MISSOURI troy state -10.5 44- 7 NEVADA colorado state +12.0 28-32 NO ILLINOIS kent state - 6.0 13- 6 north texas ARIZONA +14.5 9-14 northwestern MICHIGAN STATE +22.0 24-39 OHIO STATE indiana -26.5 45-17 PITTSBURGH toledo - 4.5 37-19 PURDUE minnesota - 3.5 28-15 RICE fresno state + 9.5 28-31 rutgers TENNESSEE +40.5 14-35 SAN JOSE STATE texas el paso -17.0 58-24 south florida OKLAHOMA +27.5 14-31 syracuse AUBURN +13.5 34-37 texas TULANE -30.0 49- 0 TEXAS A&M louisiana tech -12.0 31- 3 texas tech NEW MEXICO - 7.0 49- 0 UAB memphis + 7.0 31-17 ucla SAN DIEGO STATE -14.5 43- 7 USC oregon state - 3.5 22- 0 VANDERBILT south carolina +10.5 14-20 virginia WAKE FOREST + 1.5 38-34 virginia tech W MICHIGAN -22.0 30- 0 washington state CALIFORNIA - 2.5 48-38 WEST VIRGINIA east carolina - 7.0 37-17 Hawaii SMU 42-10 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 100, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (10:46)", "body": "Patriots 2400"}, {"response": 101, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (11:02)", "body": "okay paul lets do it The winn !!! I will folow the game one the radio (Patriots-webside)"}, {"response": 102, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (11:05)", "body": "Clue. Be very afraid of George next week."}, {"response": 103, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 30, 2002 (14:08)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BILLS bears - 3.0 33-27 browns STEELERS + 6.5 13-16 buccaneers BENGALS - 7.5 35- 7 CARDINALS giants + 3.0 21- 7 CHARGERS patriots + 3.0 21-14 CHIEFS dolphins + 3.0 48-30 cowboys RAMS +11.5 13-10 JAGUARS jets - 3.0 28- 3 LIONS saints + 7.5 26-21 panthers PACKERS + 7.0 14-17 RAIDERS titans - 6.5 52-25 SEAHAWKS vikings - 3.0 48-23 texans EAGLES +20.0 17-35"}, {"response": 104, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 30, 2002 (14:10)", "body": "Geo 70,000 Joe 16,400 Marci 7,900 Terry 5,200 Frans 1,000 Those Patriots just didn't come though for us Frans."}, {"response": 105, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 30, 2002 (14:13)", "body": "1200 Brochos"}, {"response": 106, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 2002 (13:43)", "body": "college lines: Thursday, October 3 - College FLORIDA STATE 15.5 clemson MINNESOTA 3.5 illinois Friday, October 4 - College brigham young 16.0 UTAH STATE colorado state 5.5 FRESNO STATE Saturday, October 5 - College AIR FORCE 23.5 navy akron 10.5 E MICHIGAN ALABAMA 3.5 georgia ARIZONA STATE 9.0 north carolina BAYLOR 4.0 kansas BOISE STATE 4.0 hawaii BOWLING GREEN 24.0 ohio CINCINNATI 6.0 miami ohio EAST CAROLINA 20.0 army florida 13.0 MISSISSIPPI GEORGIA TECH 3.0 wake forest IOWA 9.0 purdue kansas state 3.5 COLORADO LOUISIANA STATE 28.5 la lafayette louisiana tech 5.0 RICE marshall 14.0 KENT STATE MIAMI FLA 46.0 connecticut mid tennessee 20.0 ARKANSAS STATE nevada 2.0 UNLV NEW MEXICO STATE 17.0 texas el paso no illinois 2.5 BALL STATE NOTRE DAME 8.5 stanford ohio state 25.0 NORTHWESTERN oklahoma 13.5 MISSOURI oregon 7.5 ARIZONA OREGON STATE 4.0 ucla san jose state 6.5 SO METHODIST SOUTH CAROLINA 4.5 mississippi st south florida 1.5 NORTH TEXAS SYRACUSE 2.5 pittsburgh TENNESSEE 12.0 arkansas TEXAS 24.0 oklahoma state TEXAS A&M 6.5 texas tech TEXAS CHRISTIAN 13.0 houston tulane 13.0 LA MONROE usc 3.5 WASHINGTON STATE virginia 12.0 DUKE WASHINGTON 12.0 california WEST VIRGINIA 3.0 maryland w michigan 12.0 BUFFALO WISCONSIN 2.0 penn state This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 6 - NFL BRONCOS 5.0 chargers BROWNS 7.0 ravens buccaneers 2.0 FALCONS chiefs 3.0 JETS COLTS 13.5 bengals COWBOYS 1.0 giants DOLPHINS 3.0 patriots eagles 3.0 JAGUARS NINERS 7.0 rams PANTHERS 3.5 cardinals raiders 3.0 BILLS SAINTS 3.0 steelers TITANS 5.5 redskins Monday, October 7 - NFL BEARS 1.5 packers"}, {"response": 107, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (08:40)", "body": "Friday night's college results: Winner Loser spread score FRESNO STATE colorado state + 5.5 32-30 UTAH STATE brigham young +16.0 34-35 The kickoff to the UT game is winding down George, Hans and Frans, Marci . . . any takers. Can they cover a 24 point spread?"}, {"response": 108, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (08:49)", "body": "No i dont think they can cover that 24 points so i will set 500 against texas Texas will winn ok but not with 24 difrent !!! (I hope )"}, {"response": 109, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (09:27)", "body": "El caballo obscuro puts down $10,000 virtual on UT Austin to beat the spread!!!!! HOOK 'IM, gaf"}, {"response": 110, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (09:32)", "body": "500 Horns"}, {"response": 111, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (14:16)", "body": "5000 oklahoma state"}, {"response": 112, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (06:35)", "body": "Okay I think there is 500 more on my budget Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score ----------------- -- -- -- -- ----- Oklahoma State...... 3 0 6 6 - 15 Record: (2-3,0-1) Texas............... 0 10 7 0 - 17 Record: (5-0,1-0)"}, {"response": 113, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (10:11)", "body": "Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think these are the new standinss: 60,000 Geo 21,400 Joe 7,900 Marci 3,500 Terry 1,500 Frans Congratulations Joe, for being the big winner this week. Minor condolences to George, who slipped on his $10k wager on the Horns. Good going Frans."}, {"response": 114, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (12:10)", "body": "See my comments on the Texas OU game in topic 3 in this conference. I'll post the game stats there also."}, {"response": 115, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct  7, 2002 (09:48)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score bengals COLTS +13.5 21-28 BRONCOS chargers - 5.0 26- 9 buccaneers FALCONS - 2.0 20- 6 cardinals PANTHERS + 3.5 16-13 chiefs JETS - 3.0 29-25 DOLPHINS patriots - 3.0 26-13 giants COWBOYS + 1.0 21-17 JAGUARS eagles + 3.0 28-25 NINERS rams - 7.0 37-13 raiders BILLS - 3.0 49-31 ravens BROWNS + 7.0 26-21 redskins TITANS + 5.5 31-14 SAINTS steelers - 3.0 32-29 PUSH Winner Loser spread score FRESNO STATE colorado state + 5.5 32-30 UTAH STATE brigham young +16.0 34-35 FLORIDA STATE clemson -15.5 48-31 MINNESOTA illinois - 3.5 31-10"}, {"response": 116, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  9, 2002 (07:00)", "body": "This week's college lines: Tuesday, October 8 - College louisville 11.0 MEMPHIS Thursday, October 10 - College MINNESOTA 17.0 northwestern virginia tech 8.0 BOSTON COLLEGE Saturday, October 12 - College AIR FORCE 4.0 brigham young AUBURN 6.0 arkansas boise state 25.5 TULSA bowling green 15.0 C MICHIGAN central florida 1.0 W MICHIGAN cincinnati 5.5 TULANE clemson 5.5 VIRGINIA colorado 21.0 KANSAS COLORADO STATE 25.5 wyoming FLORIDA 8.5 louisiana state FRESNO STATE 24.0 so methodist GEORGIA 3.0 tennessee HAWAII 9.5 nevada idaho 12.0 LA MONROE IOWA 6.0 michigan state IOWA STATE 6.5 texas tech KANSAS STATE 14.5 oklahoma state KENTUCKY 6.0 south carolina MARSHALL 31.0 buffalo MIAMI FLA 13.0 florida state MIAMI OHIO 8.5 no illinois MICHIGAN 5.0 penn state MISSISSIPPI 29.5 arkansas state MISSISSIPPI ST 10.5 troy state NEBRASKA 8.5 missouri NEW MEXICO STATE 11.5 la lafayette no carolina st 6.5 NORTH CAROLINA NOTRE DAME 8.0 pittsburgh OHIO 10.0 e michigan OHIO STATE 28.5 san jose state oregon state 3.5 ARIZONA STATE purdue 3.0 ILLINOIS rice 7.5 NAVY so mississippi 3.5 SOUTH FLORIDA syracuse 3.5 TEMPLE TEXAS 3.0 oklahoma texas a&m 20.0 BAYLOR texas christian 21.0 ARMY TOLEDO 18.0 ball state UAB 3.0 houston UCLA 2.5 oregon UNLV 5.0 new mexico USC 12.5 california utah 11.0 SAN DIEGO STATE VANDERBILT 5.5 mid tennessee WAKE FOREST 13.5 duke WASHINGTON 13.5 arizona washington state 7.5 STANFORD west virginia 13.0 RUTGERS wisconsin 13.0 INDIANA Pro lines out later today."}, {"response": 117, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 10, 2002 (17:30)", "body": "Last night's college result: Winner Loser spread score MEMPHIS louisville +11.0 32-38 This week's NFL lines. Note the bookies are still reluctant on two of the contests: Sunday, October 13 - NFL bills 7.5 TEXANS BRONCOS 3.5 dolphins CHARGERS 3.0 chiefs COLTS 6.5 ravens COWBOYS 2.0 panthers jaguars 2.0 TITANS PATRIOTS 4.5 packers raiders 7.5 RAMS saints 1.5 REDSKINS steelers 6.5 BENGALS VIKINGS 4.5 lions buccaneers NL browns (Couch questionable, Holcomb out) giants NL falcons (Vick out) Monday, October 14 - NFL niners 3.0 SEAHAWKS"}, {"response": 118, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 10, 2002 (17:31)", "body": "And don't forget: TEXAS 3.0 oklahoma"}, {"response": 119, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 10, 2002 (21:07)", "body": "At some point starting QBs will be named by Cleveland and Atlanta, possibly as late as Friday. The bookies will set a line by then if they haven't already."}, {"response": 120, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 10, 2002 (21:08)", "body": "Unless my math is wrong, here's what I have: 60,000 Geo 21,400 Joe 7,900 Marci 3,500 Terry 1,500 Frans"}, {"response": 121, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 10, 2002 (21:08)", "body": "500 Dolphins 500 Texas 1000 Virginia Tech 500 Cowboys"}, {"response": 122, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Oct 11, 2002 (14:20)", "body": "10000 TEXAS"}, {"response": 123, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (07:43)", "body": "$20,000 on The University of Texas @ Austin to bust the spread!!!!All the best to all y'all!!!! Good Luck!!!!"}, {"response": 124, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (11:51)", "body": "Today's the day, the game of games. Armageddon? The ultimate game? I don't think it will be blowout like two years ago, though Texas is capable of a blowout. If it's close, Oklahoma will probably take it, but if Texas is in rhythm and Cedric can run, it could be a big win for Texas. I don't think Oklahoma is capable of a blowout with Texas defense being so steady this year. This is Texas first real challenge of the year. Today we find out if the Longhorns are for real."}, {"response": 125, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (12:02)", "body": "1000 Florida State"}, {"response": 126, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (13:13)", "body": "okay you all......... 750 agains Marshall they dont win with 31 points more then Buffalo."}, {"response": 127, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (14:06)", "body": "So that's 750 Buffalo ??"}, {"response": 128, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (14:10)", "body": "Wonder if George painted himself burnt orange today? Florida State's winning at the half, 17-14. Texas hasn't won a national championship since 1970. If Florida State wins today either Texa sor Oklahoma will wind up number one in the nation on Monday. Simms has never performed well in a big game, and Mack Brown is just 4 and 7 againts top ten teams. So today will be a real test. Game time just over an hour away."}, {"response": 129, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (19:42)", "body": "Texas loses! Oklahoma had an aggressive, well thought out game plan. Texas had a plan to keep Chris Simms from getting embarassed by throwing interceptions. They should have turned Chris loose more. And Cedric had a miserable game, they were stacked for him. Oklahoma's running back just romped all over the Horns and turned Texas bad luck on the fumble interception into a recovery and easy waltz into the end zone. Texas game plan was just too tentative and protectionist. It didn't cut it against Oklahoma."}, {"response": 130, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (22:31)", "body": "Standings 40,000 George 21,400 Joe 7,900 Marci 3,000 Terry 1,500 Frans (+ or - $750 depending on Marshall vs. Buffalo Can't find a result yet. Condolences George and Joe for riding the UT ghost. Or the ghost of UT. Good thing I slid in that last minute grand on Florida State, they played with a lot of heart and sort of made up for my UT and Virginia Tech wagers. I never seem to do well with Virginia Tech. Condolences to Mizzou, Texas and Florida State who all played with a lot of heart, moreso Mizzou and Florida State than Texas. It will be real interesting to see where Simms goes in the draft. UT better start grooming the quarterback of the future and the running back (Selvin Young)."}, {"response": 131, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (22:57)", "body": "Games like the wone between FSU and Miami don't help my blood preasure."}, {"response": 132, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Oct 13, 2002 (06:12)", "body": "Paul, i'm just lost 750 bec the Marshall's won from Buf's with 66-21 this is unbel. But i'm lost !!!!!!!!"}, {"response": 133, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Oct 13, 2002 (12:46)", "body": "Hi Paul should I not be 11400 not 21400 Joe"}, {"response": 134, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 13, 2002 (15:45)", "body": "Standings 40,000 George 11,400 Joe 7,900 Marci 3,000 Terry 750 Frans Is this right?"}, {"response": 135, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 13, 2002 (16:30)", "body": "college results: Winner Loser spread score AIR FORCE brigham young - 4.0 52- 9 arizona WASHINGTON +13.5 28-32 ARIZONA STATE oregon state + 3.5 13- 9 arkansas AUBURN + 6.0 38-17 ARMY texas christian +21.0 27-46 boise state TULSA -25.5 52-24 C MICHIGAN bowling green +15.0 35-45 california USC +12.5 28-30 central florida W MICHIGAN - 1.0 31-27 colorado KANSAS -21.0 53-29 florida state MIAMI FLA +13.0 27-28 GEORGIA tennessee - 3.0 18-13 ILLINOIS purdue + 3.0 38-31 INDIANA wisconsin +13.0 32-29 IOWA michigan state - 6.0 44-16 IOWA STATE texas tech - 6.5 31-17 KANSAS STATE oklahoma state -14.5 44- 7 la lafayette NEW MEXICO STATE +11.5 28-31 LA MONROE idaho +12.0 34-14 louisiana state FLORIDA + 8.5 36- 7 MARSHALL buffalo -31.0 66-21 mid tennessee VANDERBILT + 5.5 21-20 MISSISSIPPI arkansas state -29.5 52-17 NAVY rice + 7.5 10-17 NEBRASKA missouri - 8.5 24-13 new mexico UNLV + 5.0 25-16 no carolina st NORTH CAROLINA - 6.5 34-17 no illinois MIAMI OHIO + 8.5 48-34 NOTRE DAME pittsburgh - 8.0 14- 6 PUSH OHIO e michigan -10.0 55-27 OHIO STATE san jose state -28.5 50- 7 OKLAHOMA texas + 3.0 35-24 oregon UCLA + 2.5 31-30 penn state MICHIGAN + 5.0 24-27 SAN DIEGO STATE utah +11.0 36-17 so methodist FRESNO STATE +24.0 7-30 south carolina KENTUCKY + 6.0 16-12 SOUTH FLORIDA so mississippi + 3.5 16-13 TEMPLE syracuse + 3.5 17-16 texas a&m BAYLOR -20.0 41- 0 TOLEDO ball state -18.0 37-17 troy state MISSISSIPPI ST +10.5 8-11 TULANE cincinnati + 5.5 35-17 UAB houston - 3.0 51-34 VIRGINIA clemson + 5.5 22-17 WAKE FOREST duke -13.5 36-10 washington state STANFORD - 7.5 36-11 west virginia RUTGERS -13.0 40- 0 wyoming COLORADO STATE +25.5 36-44 Late: Nevada @ Hawaii"}, {"response": 136, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Oct 13, 2002 (18:09)", "body": "Yep That look right... honest am I not Joe England"}, {"response": 137, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 13, 2002 (19:39)", "body": "St. Louis Rams are winning today with a new QB, finally! They haven't won the game yet but they're leading at least."}, {"response": 138, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 16, 2002 (08:45)", "body": "Are you ready for some football? This week's college lines: Thursday, October 17 - College MARYLAND 2.0 georgia tech Friday, Octover 18 - College BOISE STATE 7.5 fresno state Saturday, October 19 - College AIR FORCE 2.5 notre dame ALABAMA 11.0 mississippi ARKANSAS 9.0 kentucky BALL STATE 15.0 e michigan BOSTON COLLEGE 28.5 navy BOWLING GREEN 15.5 w michigan BRIGHAM YOUNG 10.5 unlv CENTRAL FLORIDA 4.0 toledo CLEMSON 9.0 wake forest COLORADO 28.0 baylor colorado state pick UTAH EAST CAROLINA 1.0 south florida FLORIDA 8.0 auburn GEORGIA 26.0 vanderbilt HAWAII 31.5 tulsa HOUSTON 14.0 army iowa 12.5 INDIANA KANSAS STATE 1.5 texas **** K State favored over Texas! *** KENT STATE 10.5 ohio louisiana tech 13.0 SO METHODIST LOUISVILLE 12.5 texas christia MARSHALL 19.5 troy state miami ohio 16.5 BUFFALO michigan 3.5 PURDUE MICHIGAN STATE 3.5 minnesota MID TENNESSEE 10.0 la lafayette mississippi st pick MEMPHIS nebraska 8.0 OKLAHOMA STATE NEVADA 5.5 san jose state new mexico 3.0 UTAH STATE NEW MEXICO STATE 17.0 la monroe NO CAROLINA ST 25.5 duke north texas 8.5 ARKANSAS STATE NO ILLINOIS 9.5 c michigan ohio state 7.0 WISCONSIN OKLAHOMA 8.5 iowa state OREGON 10.5 arizona state PENN STATE 22.5 northwestern rice 13.0 TEXAS EL PASO san diego state 5.0 WYOMING STANFORD 1.5 arizona temple 1.0 CONNECTICUT texas a&m 23.0 KANSAS TEXAS TECH 6.5 missouri TULANE 4.0 uab ucla 3.5 CALIFORNIA USC 8.5 washington VIRGINIA 4.5 north carolina VIRGINIA TECH 42.0 rutgers WEST VIRGINIA 7.5 syracuse LOUISIANA STATE NL south carolina SO MISSISSIPPI NL cincinnati This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 20 - NFL bears 3.0 LIONS broncos 2.5 CHIEFS BROWNS 9.0 texans CARDINALS 3.5 cowboys DOLPHINS 4.0 bills EAGLES 3.5 buccaneers JETS 3.0 vikings PACKERS 7.5 redskins RAIDERS 7.0 chargers RAMS 5.5 seahawks SAINTS 2.5 niners falcons NL panthers (Vick Q,Peete out) ravens NL jaguars (Brunell, Lewis Q) Monday, October 21 - NFL STEELERS 4.5 colts"}, {"response": 139, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 17, 2002 (11:15)", "body": "NFL stragglers: Sunday, October 20 - NFL FALCONS 3.5 panthers RAVENS 1.5 jagua"}, {"response": 140, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 17, 2002 (11:16)", "body": "UT kickoff is 6 pm Saturday."}, {"response": 141, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Oct 18, 2002 (19:28)", "body": "kansas state 5000 bears 5000 Joe"}, {"response": 142, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 19, 2002 (09:46)", "body": "Our local sports writer at http://www.hookem.com is saying this game would be a great redemption for UT, but he's predicting K State to win. Da' Bears, eh, Joe?"}, {"response": 143, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sat, Oct 19, 2002 (12:08)", "body": "500 on Kansas"}, {"response": 144, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Oct 19, 2002 (17:29)", "body": "UT Austin for 5,00"}, {"response": 145, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Oct 19, 2002 (17:32)", "body": "I think I got it wrong.....BUT it's UT, Austin for 5,000. Here we go!!!"}, {"response": 146, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 19, 2002 (17:39)", "body": "A bold move!"}, {"response": 147, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (05:31)", "body": "Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score ----------------- -- -- -- -- ----- Texas............... 0 7 7 3 - 17 Record: (6-1,2-1) Kansas State........ 0 6 0 8 - 14 Record: (5-2,1-2) Look Look ??????? So I lost Monny again !!!!!! I'ts look like George has some verry DARK CONNECTIONS to the LONGHORNS !!!!!!!!!!"}, {"response": 148, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (07:30)", "body": "Yep Texas was 1.5 point underdog and they win by 3 on a last second blocked punt. How much closer of nail biter can you have?"}, {"response": 149, "author": "george", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (08:40)", "body": "Good morning all!!!! Franc, I was born on the same day as Mac Brown, the UT coach. He was born in 1951, myself 1952 year of the dragon. I also bleed orange. I stare into candle flames to make my betting decisions. I need to get some burnt orange candles. So that game was a nail biter. I could be arrogant & say was there ever any doubt? Oh, yeah, there was. What a noisy stadium. You'd think those Kanasasasas people were witnessing the 2nd coming of Christ or something on that level. But UT lives to fight on. Paul, if you get a papaer please read me the stats. 73, gaf"}, {"response": 150, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (09:03)", "body": "Should we call you Mac? Do you need a tourniquet? I'll post the stats in the Longhorns topic. If you can stop bleeding burnt orange long enough to read them. The comment I liked best from the Fox Sports Net commentators was the Simms didn't have any help from the running crew, it was \"all left jab and no right cross. . . left jab, left jab, left jab.\" And that's what is was, all Simms, all night in Manhattan. Cedric Bensen has \"turf toe\", ouch. Oklamhom clobbered Seneca Wallace and company at Iowa State, so much for this Heismann leaders chances and some vindication for UT. Oklahoma is a steam roller of a team and it's amazing the Horns led them for the first three quarters. Oklahoma sliced, diced and pounded Iowa State till there was not much left of them. I'll pull the stats off that insanely complete stats site, George, like I did last time and post them in topic 3. Good going George, condolences to Frans and Joe who didn't use the shadow strategy. I was going to put money down on one of the teams but I couldn't make up my mind. Penn State overacheived again this week, where's Marci? Standings 45,000 George 7,900 Marci 6,400 Joe 3,000 Terry 250 Frans"}, {"response": 151, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (09:25)", "body": "Some play action of Simms. http://www.wholetech.com/horns/simms.avi"}, {"response": 152, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (09:43)", "body": "Another video clip of the last seconds of the game. http://www.wholetech.com/horns/kick.avi"}, {"response": 153, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (10:22)", "body": "college results: Winner Loser spread score ALABAMA mississippi -11.0 42- 7 arizona state OREGON +10.5 45-42 ARKANSAS STATE north texas + 8.5 10-13 auburn FLORIDA + 8.0 23-30 BALL STATE e michigan -15.0 42-17 CALIFORNIA ucla + 3.5 17-12 cincinnati SO MISSISSIPPI + 9.5 14-23 COLORADO baylor -28.0 34- 0 colorado state UTAH - 0.0 28-20 duke NO CAROLINA ST +25.5 22-24 GEORGIA vanderbilt -26.0 48-17 HOUSTON army -14.0 56-42 PUSH iowa INDIANA -12.5 24- 8 kentucky ARKANSAS + 9.0 29-17 la monroe NEW MEXICO STATE +17.0 21-34 LOUISIANA STATE south carolina - 8.0 38-14 miami ohio BUFFALO -16.5 49- 0 MID TENNESSEE la lafayette -10.0 48-35 minnesota MICHIGAN STATE + 3.5 28- 7 mississippi st MEMPHIS - 0.0 29-17 navy BOSTON COLLEGE +28.5 21-46 NEVADA san jose state - 5.5 52-24 NO ILLINOIS c michigan - 9.5 49- 0 notre dame AIR FORCE + 2.5 21-14 ohio KENT STATE +10.5 50- 0 OKLAHOMA iowa state - 8.5 49- 3 OKLAHOMA STATE nebraska + 8.0 24-21 PENN STATE northwestern -22.5 49- 0 PURDUE michigan + 3.5 21-23 rutgers VIRGINIA TECH +42.0 14-35 SO METHODIST louisiana tech +13.0 37-34 south florida EAST CAROLINA + 1.0 46-30 STANFORD arizona - 1.5 16- 6 temple CONNECTICUT - 1.0 38-24 texas KANSAS STATE + 1.5 17-14 texas a&m KANSAS -23.0 47-22 texas christian LOUISVILLE +12.5 45-31 TEXAS EL PASO rice +13.0 38-35 TEXAS TECH missouri - 6.5 52-38 toledo CENTRAL FLORIDA + 4.0 27-24 troy state MARSHALL +19.5 7-24 TULANE uab - 4.0 35-14 unlv BRIGHAM YOUNG +10.5 24- 3 USC washington - 8.5 41-21 UTAH STATE new mexico + 3.0 45-44 VIRGINIA north carolina - 4.5 37-27 w michigan BOWLING GREEN +15.5 45-48 wake forest CLEMSON + 9.0 23-31 WEST VIRGINIA syracuse - 7.5 34- 7 WISCONSIN ohio state + 7.0 14-19 WYOMING san diego state + 5.0 20-24 Late game: Hawaii 23, Tulsa 0. Half."}, {"response": 154, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (18:19)", "body": "How many virtual dollars did George pay the other team to lose lol we shall be back. Joe holding his head in his hands in disbelief NEWCASTLE UNITED got beat 5-2 sob sob"}, {"response": 155, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (20:40)", "body": "Today's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score bills DOLPHINS + 4.0 23-10 broncos CHIEFS - 2.5 37-34 BROWNS texans - 9.0 34-17 chargers RAIDERS + 7.0 27-21 cowboys CARDINALS + 3.5 6- 9 EAGLES buccaneers - 3.5 20-10 FALCONS panthers - 3.5 30- 0 JETS vikings - 3.0 20- 7 LIONS bears + 3.0 23-20 PACKERS redskins - 7.5 30- 9 RAMS seahawks - 5.5 37-20 RAVENS jaguars - 1.5 17-10 SAINTS niners - 2.5 35-27"}, {"response": 156, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (20:43)", "body": "Standings 40,000 George 7,900 Marci 6,400 Joe 3,000 Terry 750 Frans Joe slips into third as the Bears fail to cover."}, {"response": 157, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct 20, 2002 (20:44)", "body": "I'd better get a hold of a Penn State schedule. I also wonder if Louisville beat Tulsa yesterday in the miserably cold rain here in Louisville..."}, {"response": 158, "author": "george", "date": "Mon, Oct 21, 2002 (19:52)", "body": "Paul, check your figures. I should be @ 45,000. gaf"}, {"response": 159, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Oct 22, 2002 (06:21)", "body": "What about my 10% George. Joe"}, {"response": 160, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 22, 2002 (08:44)", "body": "Standings 45,000 George 7,900 Marci 6,400 Joe 3,000 Terry 750 Frans Correction, apologies to George."}, {"response": 161, "author": "george", "date": "Tue, Oct 22, 2002 (19:48)", "body": "Paul, Thank you....Joe, I thought the deal was for me to be your agent????? Try your luck on the pro footballers teams. gaf"}, {"response": 162, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 22, 2002 (22:23)", "body": "Joe, you're in to the Redskins, right?"}, {"response": 163, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 2002 (06:55)", "body": "Yes The Redskins for me, and George what comes round comes round so the circle says you Pay me %10 hi hi. Joe"}, {"response": 164, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 2002 (09:40)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, October 24 - College COLORADO STATE 12.0 brigham young no carolina st 1.0 CLEMSON Friday, October 25 - College FRESNO STATE 2.0 hawaii Saturday, October 26 - College air force 16.5 WYOMING ARIZONA STATE 3.5 washington ARKANSAS 8.5 mississippi boise state 16.0 SAN JOSE STATE BOWLING GREEN 21.0 ball state CENTRAL FLORIDA 20.0 akron CINCINNATI 6.5 memphis COLORADO 6.0 texas tech FLORIDA STATE 10.5 notre dame georgia 4.5 KENTUCKY GEORGIA TECH 5.5 virginia ILLINOIS 9.0 indiana kansas state 30.5 BAYLOR kent state 7.0 BUFFALO louisiana state 3.5 AUBURN LOUISIANA TECH 4.5 nevada LOUISVILLE 14.5 east carolina marshall 20.5 C MICHIGAN maryland 13.0 DUKE miami fla 18.5 WEST VIRGINIA MICHIGAN 3.5 iowa mid tennessee 4.5 IDAHO MISSOURI 21.5 kansas new mexico st 7.5 ARKANSAS STATE north texas 4.0 LA LAFAYETTE no illinois 2.5 W MICHIGAN OHIO STATE 4.5 penn state OREGON STATE 5.5 california PITTSBURGH 4.0 boston college RICE 9.0 so methodist SAN DIEGO STATE 2.5 unlv SYRACUSE 14.5 rutgers TENNESSEE 2.5 alabama TEXAS 12.5 iowa state TEXAS A&M 5.5 nebraska TOLEDO 4.0 miami ohio TULANE 15.5 navy TULSA 2.5 texas el paso uab 9.5 ARMY usc 1.0 OREGON utah 6.5 NEW MEXICO utah state 6.5 LA MONROE VANDERBILT 8.5 connecticut VIRGINIA TECH 28.5 temple WAKE FOREST 5.5 north carolina washington state 11.0 ARIZONA wisconsin 2.0 MICHIGAN STATE NORTHWESTERN NL purdue UCLA NL stanford This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 27 - NFL BILLS 7.0 lions buccaneers 7.0 PANTHERS colts pick REDSKINS COWBOYS 2.5 seahawks JAGUARS 10.5 texans JETS 3.0 browns NINERS 8.0 cardinals PATRIOTS 2.5 broncos raiders 3.0 CHIEFS SAINTS 4.0 falcons steelers 2.5 RAVENS titans 5.5 BENGALS VIKINGS 1.0 bears Monday, October 28 - NFL EAGLES 7.0 giants"}, {"response": 165, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 2002 (17:24)", "body": "Hi Paul What does colts pick REDSKINS mean? if I bet on the REDSKINS what is the spread. Joe"}, {"response": 166, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 2002 (19:45)", "body": "It means the odds are even. If whoever you pick wins, you win."}, {"response": 167, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Oct 24, 2002 (09:08)", "body": "$5000 REDSKINS Joe"}, {"response": 168, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 24, 2002 (13:10)", "body": "If the Redskins win by *any* score you win, Joe."}, {"response": 169, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Oct 24, 2002 (19:25)", "body": "Thanks Paul I do not think there is many draws in A/FOOTBALL. Joe"}, {"response": 170, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct 25, 2002 (04:19)", "body": "I think it happens, but it's pretty rare."}, {"response": 171, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct 25, 2002 (04:22)", "body": "college results: Winner Loser spread score COLORADO STATE brigham young -12.0 37-10 no carolina st CLEMSON - 1.0 38- 6"}, {"response": 172, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct 25, 2002 (05:06)", "body": "George asked me on the radio what the odds were on the Texas game: TEXAS 12.5 iowa state If you hear George on the radio, let him know. Seneca Wallace of Iowa State is reported to be the best player in the nation and one of the leading contenders for the Heismann Trophy for the best college player, he's an athletic running quarterback who could give UT a headache."}, {"response": 173, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 2002 (07:21)", "body": "College stragglers: Saturday, October 26 - College purdue 14.0 NORTHWESTERN UCLA 9.0 stanford"}, {"response": 174, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 2002 (07:22)", "body": "500 Air Force"}, {"response": 175, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 2002 (12:30)", "body": "I'll take Iowa St and the 12.5 points for 5,000. gaf"}, {"response": 176, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 2002 (12:31)", "body": ""}, {"response": 177, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 27, 2002 (10:04)", "body": "college results: Winner Loser spread score akron CENTRAL FLORIDA +20.0 17-28 alabama TENNESSEE + 2.5 34-14 ARIZONA washington state +11.0 13-21 ARIZONA STATE washington - 3.5 27-16 ARKANSAS mississippi - 8.5 48-28 ARKANSAS STATE new mexico st + 7.5 21-26 ARMY uab + 9.5 26-29 AUBURN louisiana state + 3.5 31- 7 ball state BOWLING GREEN +21.0 19-38 boise state SAN JOSE STATE -16.0 45- 8 boston college PITTSBURGH + 4.0 16-19 BUFFALO kent state + 7.0 12-16 C MICHIGAN marshall +20.5 18-23 CINCINNATI memphis - 6.5 48-10 COLORADO texas tech - 6.0 37-13 connecticut VANDERBILT + 8.5 24-28 georgia KENTUCKY - 4.5 52-24 GEORGIA TECH virginia - 5.5 23-15 IDAHO mid tennessee + 4.5 21-18 ILLINOIS indiana - 9.0 45-14 iowa MICHIGAN + 3.5 34- 9 iowa state TEXAS +12.5 10-21 kansas state BAYLOR -30.5 44-10 LA MONROE utah state + 6.5 51-48 LOUISVILLE east carolina -14.5 44-20 maryland DUKE -13.0 45-12 miami ohio TOLEDO + 4.0 27-13 MISSOURI kansas -21.5 36-12 nebraska TEXAS A&M + 5.5 38-31 nevada LOUISIANA TECH + 4.5 47-50 NEW MEXICO utah + 6.5 42-35 no illinois W MICHIGAN - 2.5 24-20 north texas LA LAFAYETTE - 4.0 27- 0 notre dame FLORIDA STATE +10.5 34-24 OHIO STATE penn state - 4.5 13- 7 OREGON STATE california - 5.5 24-13 purdue NORTHWESTERN -14.0 42-13 RICE so methodist - 9.0 27-15 SAN DIEGO STATE unlv - 2.5 31-21 SYRACUSE rutgers -14.5 45-14 temple VIRGINIA TECH +28.5 10-20 TULANE navy -15.5 51-30 TULSA texas el paso - 2.5 20- 0 UCLA stanford - 9.0 28-18 usc OREGON - 1.0 44-33 WAKE FOREST north carolina - 5.5 31- 0 WEST VIRGINIA miami fla +18.5 23-40 wisconsin MICHIGAN STATE - 2.0 42-24 WYOMING air force +16.5 34-26 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 178, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (07:59)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BILLS lions - 7.0 24-17 PUSH broncos PATRIOTS + 2.5 24-16 browns JETS + 3.0 24-21 CHIEFS raiders + 3.0 20-10 falcons SAINTS + 4.0 37-35 NINERS cardinals - 8.0 38-28 PANTHERS buccaneers + 7.0 9-12 REDSKINS colts + 0.0 26-21 seahawks COWBOYS + 2.5 17-14 steelers RAVENS - 2.5 31-18 texans JAGUARS +10.5 21-19 titans BENGALS - 5.5 30-24 VIKINGS bears - 1.0 25- 7"}, {"response": 179, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (10:17)", "body": "I'll post the standings later, Joe, George and Frans check in with your totals please! Hey, there's a Wednesday game this week! Wednesday, October 30 - College TEXAS CHRISTIAN 2.5 so mississippi Thursday, October 31 - College colorado state 1.0 AIR FORCE Saturday, November 2 - College alabama 22.0 VANDERBILT ARKANSAS 23.0 troy state auburn 2.5 MISSISSIPPI boise state 33.0 TEXAS EL PASO bowling green 18.0 KENT STATE BRIGHAM YOUNG 2.5 san diego state CENTRAL FLORIDA 5.5 syracuse c michigan 10.5 E MICHIGAN clemson 10.0 DUKE georgia 2.5 FLORIDA florida state 10.5 WAKE FOREST HAWAII 24.5 san jose state idaho 2.0 LA LAFAYETTE IOWA 9.0 wisconsin IOWA STATE 10.0 missouri kansas state 31.0 KANSAS kentucky 3.5 MISSISSIPPI ST marshall 18.5 AKRON maryland 11.5 NORTH CAROLINA MEMPHIS 6.0 houston miami fla 38.5 RUTGERS MIAMI OHIO 18.0 ohio MICHIGAN 15.0 michigan state nevada 7.0 SO METHODIST NEW MEXICO STATE 4.0 mid tennessee NO CAROLINA ST 10.0 georgia tech NORTH TEXAS 17.0 la monroe NOTRE DAME 9.5 boston college OHIO STATE 12.5 minnesota OKLAHOMA 12.5 colorado OREGON 13.0 stanford OREGON STATE 14.0 arizona PENN STATE 14.0 illinois rice 8.5 TULSA tennessee 1.5 SOUTH CAROLINA texas 4.0 NEBRASKA texas a&m 3.0 OKLAHOMA STATE TEXAS TECH 29.0 baylor ucla 1.5 WASHINGTON UNLV 7.0 wyoming VIRGINIA TECH 13.0 pittsburgh WASHINGTON STATE 7.5 arizona state west virginia 6.5 TEMPLE w michigan 4.0 BALL STATE NORTHWESTERN NL indiana"}, {"response": 180, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (10:18)", "body": "Texas 4 point favorite over the Nebraska Corn Huskers, who are bent on revenge for last years humiliating loss at the hands of Texas."}, {"response": 181, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (13:30)", "body": "This week's NFL lines: Sunday, November 3 - NFL BILLS 2.0 patriots BUCCANEERS 7.5 vikings CHARGERS 7.5 jets COLTS 3.5 titans eagles 6.5 BEARS FALCONS 7.5 ravens GIANTS 2.5 jaguars LIONS 2.5 cowboys RAIDERS 3.0 niners rams 3.5 CARDINALS SEAHAWKS 2.5 redskins steelers 3.0 BROWNS TEXANS 3.0 bengals Monday, November 4 - NFL PACKERS 4.5 dolphins"}, {"response": 182, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (13:54)", "body": "I beleive I am 11400 Paul Joe"}, {"response": 183, "author": "george", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (19:05)", "body": "Paul, I believe I'm @ 50,00 73, gaf"}, {"response": 184, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (19:36)", "body": "yes we kno your 50 George hi hi Joe"}, {"response": 185, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 2002 (12:43)", "body": "Last night's college result: Winner Loser spread score TEXAS CHRISTIAN so mississippi - 2.5 37- 7"}, {"response": 186, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 2002 (12:48)", "body": "Standings 50,000 George 11,400 Joe 7,900 Marci 2,500 Terry 750 Frans Congrats to George and Joe. Doggone Air Force. I'll get you next year, George! Frans and Marci sat on the bench this week."}, {"response": 187, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 2002 (18:36)", "body": "Hi Paul George is me and I am George does that mean I am winning hi hi. Joe"}, {"response": 188, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov  1, 2002 (00:37)", "body": "Winner Loser spread score colorado state AIR FORCE - 1.0 31-12"}, {"response": 189, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov  1, 2002 (09:06)", "body": "I thought I was going to fly high with Air Force but they crash landed."}, {"response": 190, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Nov  2, 2002 (17:39)", "body": "Here we go.... Watch this....10,000 on UT @ Austin to beat nebraska & the 4 pt. spread. 73 to all gaf"}, {"response": 191, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  2, 2002 (18:50)", "body": "1000 Nebraska"}, {"response": 192, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sat, Nov  2, 2002 (18:51)", "body": "5000 Austin Joe"}, {"response": 193, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  3, 2002 (04:19)", "body": "There's no team called Austin in college or pro football."}, {"response": 194, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  3, 2002 (09:58)", "body": "Standings 40,000 George 11,400 Joe (\"austin\" under review) 7,900 Marci 3,500 Terry 750 Frans"}, {"response": 195, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov  3, 2002 (10:01)", "body": "500 Texans"}, {"response": 196, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Nov  3, 2002 (12:49)", "body": "Hi Paul I had Austin on my mind what I meant was Texans 5000 to me Austin is Texas so I will try again Texans 5000 Joe"}, {"response": 197, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  4, 2002 (09:05)", "body": "Well we both blew that one Joe. Only 3 NFL favorites covered! Not a good week to go with favorites. The Texans got clobbered by the hapless Bengals. Satuday's college results: Winner Loser spread score AKRON marshall +18.5 34-20 ARKANSAS troy state -23.0 23- 0 PUSH auburn MISSISSIPPI - 2.5 31-24 BALL STATE w michigan + 4.0 17- 7 boise state TEXAS EL PASO -33.0 58- 3 boston college NOTRE DAME + 9.5 14- 7 bowling green KENT STATE -18.0 45-14 BRIGHAM YOUNG san diego state - 2.5 34-10 c michigan E MICHIGAN -10.5 47-21 DUKE clemson +10.0 31-34 florida GEORGIA + 2.5 20-13 florida state WAKE FOREST -10.5 34-21 georgia tech NO CAROLINA ST +10.0 24-17 houston MEMPHIS + 6.0 26-21 illinois PENN STATE +14.0 7-18 IOWA wisconsin - 9.0 20- 3 kansas state KANSAS -31.0 64- 0 kentucky MISSISSIPPI ST - 3.5 45-24 LA LAFAYETTE idaho + 2.0 31-28 maryland NORTH CAROLINA -11.5 59- 7 MIAMI OHIO ohio -18.0 38-20 PUSH MICHIGAN michigan state -15.0 49- 3 mid tennessee NEW MEXICO STATE + 4.0 21-24 missouri IOWA STATE +10.0 35-42 NEBRASKA texas + 4.0 24-27 nevada SO METHODIST - 7.0 24- 6 NORTH TEXAS la monroe -17.0 41- 2 OHIO STATE minnesota -12.5 34- 3 OKLAHOMA colorado -12.5 27-11 OKLAHOMA STATE texas a&m + 3.0 28-23 OREGON stanford -13.0 38-14 OREGON STATE arizona -14.0 38- 3 pittsburgh VIRGINIA TECH +13.0 28-21 rice TULSA - 8.5 33-18 RUTGERS miami fla +38.5 17-42 syracuse CENTRAL FLORIDA + 5.5 38-35 tennessee SOUTH CAROLINA - 1.5 18-10 TEXAS TECH baylor -29.0 62-11 ucla WASHINGTON - 1.5 34-24 VANDERBILT alabama +22.0 8-30 PUSH WASHINGTON STATE arizona state - 7.5 44-22 west virginia TEMPLE - 6.5 46-20 wyoming UNLV + 7.0 48-49 san jose state HAWAII +24.5 31-40 Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BEARS eagles + 6.5 13-19 bengals TEXANS + 3.0 38- 3 BROWNS steelers + 3.0 20-23 PUSH BUCCANEERS vikings - 7.5 38-24 cowboys LIONS + 2.5 7- 9 GIANTS jaguars - 2.5 24-17 jets CHARGERS + 7.5 44-13 niners RAIDERS + 3.0 23-20 patriots BILLS + 2.0 38- 7 rams CARDINALS - 3.5 27-14 ravens FALCONS + 7.5 17-20 redskins SEAHAWKS + 2.5 14- 3 titans COLTS + 3.5 23-15 Thanks for sticking with the pool, my ham radio buddies. Don't let the anti-football forces at large get to you (eg. ab5n, wx5u), keep the faith. If you're losing ground in the pool, and who isn't, it's time to rebuild and reevaluate your strategy. I should have next weeks lines out by Tuesday. Texas will most likely get a *huge* spred over lackluster Baylor. Texas didn't make the spread, but they moved up to number four in the polls today, behind Oklahoma, Miami and Ohio State. They'll almost certainly come up number 4 in the BCS. Let's hope the Okies, the Hurricanes and the Buckeyes suffer losses next week!"}, {"response": 198, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov  5, 2002 (12:17)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, November 7 - College LOUISVILLE 9.5 cincinnati Saturday, November 9 - College air force 21.0 ARMY ALABAMA 21.5 mississippi st ARIZONA STATE 5.5 california arkansas 1.5 SOUTH CAROLINA AUBURN 36.0 la monroe BOISE STATE 27.5 rice bowling green 4.0 NO ILLINOIS BRIGHAM YOUNG 10.0 wyoming central florida 18.5 BUFFALO clemson 9.5 NORTH CAROLINA colorado 4.5 MISSOURI CONNECTICUT 8.5 kent state FRESNO STATE 27.0 tulsa florida 20.5 VANDERBILT florida state 7.0 GEORGIA TECH GEORGIA 14.0 mississippi HOUSTON 1.5 east carolina INDIANA 2.5 michigan state IOWA 27.5 northwestern KANSAS STATE 10.5 iowa state LA LAFAYETTE 4.5 arkansas state louisiana state 4.0 KENTUCKY louisiana tech 3.0 SAN JOSE STATE MARYLAND 4.5 no carolina st miami fla 9.0 TENNESSEE michigan 5.5 MINNESOTA NEBRASKA 34.0 kansas NEVADA 25.5 texas el paso NEW MEXICO 2.5 san diego state new mexico st 2.0 UTAH STATE NORTH TEXAS 14.0 idaho notre dame 30.0 NAVY OHIO 4.0 akron oregon state 2.5 WASHINGTON ohio state 6.5 PURDUE oklahoma 10.0 TEXAS A&M PENN STATE 13.5 virginia PITTSBURGH 20.0 temple SOUTH FLORIDA 12.5 memphis TEXAS 40.0 baylor TEXAS CHRISTIAN 12.0 tulane TEXAS TECH 8.5 oklahoma state TOLEDO 14.0 c michigan ucla 10.5 ARIZONA usc 14.5 STANFORD UTAH 8.5 unlv virginia tech 14.5 SYRACUSE WASHINGTON STATE 6.0 oregon WEST VIRGINIA 3.0 boston college W MICHIGAN 23.5 e michigan UAB NL so mississippi WISCONSIN NL illinois This week's NFL lines: Sunday, November 10 - NFL CARDINALS 3.5 seahawks EAGLES 9.0 colts giants 1.5 VIKINGS JAGUARS 2.0 redskins JETS NL dolphins NINERS 6.0 chiefs PACKERS NL lions patriots 3.5 BEARS RAMS 6.5 chargers RAVENS 5.5 bengals saints 4.5 PANTHERS STEELERS 5.0 falcons TITANS 10.5 texans Monday, November 11 - NFL BRONCOS 5.5 raiders In case you missed it: TEXAS 40.0 baylor ^^^^"}, {"response": 199, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Nov  5, 2002 (12:24)", "body": "redskins 5000 Joe"}, {"response": 200, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Nov  9, 2002 (08:26)", "body": "good morning sports fans world wide!!!!I will put 10,000 on Baylor & take the 40 points!!!!!! The dark horse runs again!!!! 73, all, gaf"}, {"response": 201, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  9, 2002 (09:12)", "body": "The Standings Standings 40,000 George 11,400 Joe (\"austin\" under review) 7,900 Marci 3,500 Terry 750 Frans 1500 Texas Wait till next year George."}, {"response": 202, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sat, Nov  9, 2002 (16:07)", "body": "yes the dark horse may be running but DARK HORSE is also a bottle of rum will it still run when empty?? Joe"}, {"response": 203, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  9, 2002 (17:13)", "body": "I actually went to the Longhorns game in peson today, thanks to a guy on the street who had an extra ticket and had to go to his kid's soccer match. The Horns beat the spread today by one point! I had a great view of the game overlooking the whole Austin panorama. They took their time nailing down the spread though! 30,000 George 11,400 Joe 7,900 Marci 5,000 Terry 750 Frans (anyone heard from him?)"}, {"response": 204, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 10, 2002 (07:13)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score arkansas SOUTH CAROLINA - 1.5 23- 0 arkansas state LA LAFAYETTE + 4.5 10-13 ARMY air force +21.0 30-49 AUBURN la monroe -36.0 52-14 BOISE STATE rice -27.5 49- 7 california ARIZONA STATE + 5.5 55-38 central florida BUFFALO -18.5 45-21 clemson NORTH CAROLINA - 9.5 42-12 colorado MISSOURI - 4.5 42-35 CONNECTICUT kent state - 8.5 63-21 e michigan W MICHIGAN +23.5 31-33 east carolina HOUSTON + 1.5 54-48 florida state GEORGIA TECH - 7.0 21-13 GEORGIA mississippi -14.0 31-17 PUSH idaho NORTH TEXAS +14.0 0-10 illinois WISCONSIN + 6.0 37-20 IOWA northwestern -27.5 62-10 KANSAS STATE iowa state -10.5 58- 7 KENTUCKY louisiana state + 4.0 30-33 memphis SOUTH FLORIDA +12.5 28-31 miami fla TENNESSEE - 9.0 26- 3 michigan MINNESOTA - 5.5 41-24 michigan state INDIANA + 2.5 56-21 mississippi st ALABAMA +21.5 14-28 NAVY notre dame +30.0 23-30 NEBRASKA kansas -34.0 45- 7 NEW MEXICO san diego state - 2.5 15- 8 no carolina st MARYLAND + 4.5 21-24 NO ILLINOIS bowling green + 4.0 26-17 OHIO akron - 4.0 27-10 PENN STATE virginia -13.5 35-14 PURDUE ohio state + 6.5 6-10 SAN JOSE STATE louisiana tech + 3.0 42-30 SYRACUSE virginia tech +14.5 50-42 temple PITTSBURGH +20.0 22-29 *TEXAS baylor -40.0 41- 0 *** TEXAS A&M oklahoma +10.0 30-26 !!! texas el paso NEVADA +25.5 17-23 TEXAS TECH oklahoma state - 8.5 49-24 TOLEDO c michigan -14.0 44-17 tulane TEXAS CHRISTIAN +12.0 10-17 tulsa FRESNO STATE +27.0 12-31 UAB so mississippi + 7.0 13-20 PUSH ucla ARIZONA -10.5 37- 7 usc STANFORD -14.5 49-17 UTAH unlv - 8.5 28-17 UTAH STATE new mexico st + 2.0 32-30 VANDERBILT florida +20.5 17-21 WASHINGTON oregon state + 2.5 41-29 WASHINGTON STATE oregon - 6.0 32-21 WEST VIRGINIA boston college - 3.0 24-14 wyoming BRIGHAM YOUNG +10.0 31-35 What a great game Texas played! And I was there thanks to a soccer dad. And then I come home and watch A&M dust off Oklahoma. That was the most exciting football Saturday of all time! Texas is definitely in the hunt for the national title, but they're not masters of their own destiny. They'll need some help from Miami and Ohio State and maybe even another Oklahoma loss to put them into the Big 12 Title game. Unbelieveable."}, {"response": 205, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 11, 2002 (14:47)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BEARS patriots + 3.5 30-33 chargers RAMS + 6.5 24-28 chiefs NINERS + 6.0 13-17 colts EAGLES + 9.0 35-13 falcons STEELERS + 5.0 34-34 giants VIKINGS - 1.5 27-20 JAGUARS redskins - 2.0 26- 7 JETS dolphins - 2.5 13-10 PACKERS lions -10.0 40-14 RAVENS bengals - 5.5 38-27 saints PANTHERS - 4.5 34-24 seahawks CARDINALS + 3.5 27- 6 texans TITANS +10.5 10-17"}, {"response": 206, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 11, 2002 (14:49)", "body": "30,000 George 7,900 Marci 6,400 Joe 5,000 Terry 750 Frans Looks like the Skins lost by a pretty big margin."}, {"response": 207, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 12, 2002 (19:21)", "body": "This week's college lines: Tuesday, November 12 - College MARSHALL 1.0 miami ohio Thursday, November 14 - College louisville pick SO MISSISSIPPI Saturday, November 16 - College air force 7.0 UNLV AKRON 13.5 buffalo alabama 2.0 LOUISIANA STATE ARKANSAS 32.0 la lafayette BOISE STATE 26.5 louisiana tech BOSTON COLLEGE 9.0 syracuse BRIGHAM YOUNG 5.5 new mexico CALIFORNIA 16.0 arizona CENTRAL FLORIDA 21.0 kent state C MICHIGAN 3.0 ball state CINCINNATI 15.5 houston COLORADO 8.0 iowa state colorado state 12.5 SAN DIEGO STATE connecticut 3.0 NAVY FLORIDA 15.0 south carolina FLORIDA STATE 31.5 north carolina FRESNO STATE 7.5 nevada georgia 2.5 AUBURN GEORGIA TECH 15.5 duke hawaii 10.5 RICE IDAHO 4.5 arkansas state iowa 10.5 MINNESOTA KANSAS STATE 11.0 nebraska KENTUCKY 16.5 vanderbilt maryland 4.5 CLEMSON MICHIGAN 10.5 wisconsin MID TENNESSEE 15.0 la monroe no carolina st 6.0 VIRGINIA NORTH TEXAS 7.0 new mexico state no illinois 23.5 E MICHIGAN ohio state 8.5 ILLINOIS oklahoma 36.0 BAYLOR oklahoma state 22.0 KANSAS OREGON 9.0 washington oregon state 14.5 STANFORD penn state 20.0 INDIANA purdue 3.5 MICHIGAN STATE san jose state 9.0 TULSA SOUTH FLORIDA 3.5 bowling green so methodist 6.5 TEXAS EL PASO temple 9.5 RUTGERS tennessee 7.0 MISSISSIPPI ST *texas 5.5 TEXAS TECH *** TEXAS A&M 8.5 missouri toledo 6.5 W MICHIGAN TROY STATE 8.5 utah state TULANE 19.0 army UAB 1.5 east carolina USC 13.0 arizona state utah 7.0 WYOMING This week's NFL lines: Sunday, November 17 - NFL broncos 4.5 SEAHAWKS browns 3.5 BENGALS BUCCANEERS 8.5 panthers CHIEFS 3.5 bills COLTS 6.5 cowboys DOLPHINS 4.5 ravens EAGLES 11.0 cardinals FALCONS 3.0 saints GIANTS 3.5 redskins jaguars 6.0 TEXANS jets 3.0 LIONS niners 2.5 CHARGERS packers 6.5 VIKINGS RAIDERS 4.0 patriots steelers 3.0 TITANS Monday, November 18 - NFL RAMS NL bears There it is folks, Texas is favored by 5.5 points over Texas Tech."}, {"response": 208, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 15, 2002 (06:23)", "body": "college results: Winner Loser spread score louisville SO MISSISSIPPI - 0.0 20-17 MARSHALL miami ohio"}, {"response": 209, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 15, 2002 (06:24)", "body": "oops MARSHALL miami ohio - 1.0 36-34"}, {"response": 210, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Nov 15, 2002 (19:12)", "body": "Texas 5000 Joe"}, {"response": 211, "author": "george", "date": "Sat, Nov 16, 2002 (14:30)", "body": "10,000 on The University of Texas at Austin to bust the spread.hook 'em, gaf"}, {"response": 212, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 19, 2002 (19:22)", "body": "OK, here they are! This week's college lines: Wednesday, November 20 - College VIRGINIA TECH 8.5 west virginia Thursday, November 21 - College MIAMI FLA 21.0 pittsburgh Saturday, November 23 - College AIR FORCE 16.0 san diego state akron 6.0 KENT STATE ALABAMA 10.0 auburn arkansas 11.5 MISSISSIPPI ST BALL STATE 16.5 buffalo boise state 19.0 NEVADA boston college 9.5 TEMPLE BOWLING GREEN 33.0 e michigan CALIFORNIA 11.5 stanford CLEMSON 4.5 south carolina COLORADO STATE 16.0 new mexico DUKE 3.5 north carolina florida state 5.5 NO CAROLINA ST fresno state 6.0 SAN JOSE STATE HAWAII 5.5 cincinnati illinois 11.5 NORTHWESTERN IOWA STATE 19.5 connecticut kansas state 13.0 MISSOURI la lafayette 4.0 LA MONROE LOUISIANA STATE 10.5 mississippi LOUISIANA TECH 23.5 texas el paso LOUISVILLE 18.0 uab maryland 8.5 VIRGINIA MEMPHIS 14.0 army MIAMI OHIO 4.5 central florida new mexico st 5.0 IDAHO north texas 2.0 MID TENNESSEE NO ILLINOIS 2.5 toledo NOTRE DAME 28.5 rutgers OHIO STATE 4.0 michigan OKLAHOMA 13.0 texas tech OKLAHOMA STATE 29.0 baylor OREGON STATE 4.5 oregon PENN STATE 21.0 michigan state PURDUE 21.5 indiana south florida 11.0 HOUSTON SO METHODIST 9.5 tulsa so mississippi 6.5 TULANE tennessee 19.0 VANDERBILT texas christian 8.0 EAST CAROLINA usc 4.0 UCLA UTAH 8.5 brigham young WAKE FOREST 27.5 navy WASHINGTON STATE 8.5 washington w michigan 2.5 C MICHIGAN WISCONSIN 7.0 minnesota OHIO NL marshall This week's NFL lines: Sunday, November 24 - NFL BEARS 5.0 lions BRONCOS 6.5 colts BUCCANEERS 3.0 packers chiefs 3.0 SEAHAWKS DOLPHINS 3.0 chargers falcons 3.5 PANTHERS giants 5.5 TEXANS jaguars 2.5 COWBOYS JETS 3.0 bills PATRIOTS 8.0 vikings raiders 8.0 CARDINALS STEELERS 10.5 bengals titans 2.0 RAVENS REDSKINS NL rams SAINTS NL browns Monday, November 25 - NFL NINERS 7.0 eagles Texas has the week off. FSU is only a 5.5 favorite, hard to believe. Texas needs to the week off, their defense is very banged up and they need to re-energize after the crushing loss."}, {"response": 213, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Nov 19, 2002 (19:32)", "body": "WELL HERES ALL OR NOTHING 1400 REDSKINS Joe"}, {"response": 214, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 20, 2002 (06:34)", "body": "The two teams that beat Texas are playing each other, Oklahoma and Texas Tech. Oklahomaha is a 13 point favorite. Oklahoma is definitely watching last weeks game tape very intently."}, {"response": 215, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 20, 2002 (07:41)", "body": "20,000 George 7,900 Marci 5,000 Terry 1,400 Joe 750 Frans"}, {"response": 216, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 22, 2002 (08:40)", "body": "Late NFL lines: Sunday, November 24 - NFL rams 4.5 REDSKINS SAINTS 6.0 browns Scores: Winner Loser spread score pittsburgh MIAMI FLA +21.0 21-28 west virginia VIRGINIA TECH + 8.5 21-18"}, {"response": 217, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 2002 (16:10)", "body": "okaaayy you all !!! 500 on REDSKINS Back on stage !"}, {"response": 218, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 2002 (17:33)", "body": "500 Rams"}, {"response": 219, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 2002 (17:34)", "body": "Nice to see you to see you nice Franz Joe"}, {"response": 220, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 24, 2002 (08:11)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score akron KENT STATE - 6.0 48-10 auburn ALABAMA +10.0 17- 7 BALL STATE buffalo -16.5 41-21 boise state NEVADA -19.0 44- 7 boston college TEMPLE - 9.5 36-14 BOWLING GREEN e michigan -33.0 63-21 brigham young UTAH + 8.5 6-13 CALIFORNIA stanford -11.5 30- 7 central florida MIAMI OHIO + 4.5 48-23 cincinnati HAWAII + 5.5 19-20 CLEMSON south carolina - 4.5 27-20 connecticut IOWA STATE +19.5 37-20 EAST CAROLINA texas christian + 8.0 31-28 IDAHO new mexico st + 5.0 31-35 kansas state MISSOURI -13.0 38- 0 LA MONROE la lafayette + 4.0 34-10 LOUISVILLE uab -18.0 41-21 MEMPHIS army -14.0 38-10 mississippi LOUISIANA STATE +10.5 13-14 MISSISSIPPI ST arkansas +11.5 19-26 navy WAKE FOREST +27.5 27-30 new mexico COLORADO STATE +16.0 14-22 NO CAROLINA ST florida state + 5.5 17- 7 north carolina DUKE + 3.5 23-21 north texas MID TENNESSEE - 2.0 30-20 NORTHWESTERN illinois +11.5 24-31 NOTRE DAME rutgers -28.5 42- 0 OHIO STATE michigan - 4.0 14- 9 OKLAHOMA texas tech -13.0 60-15 OKLAHOMA STATE baylor -29.0 63-28 OREGON STATE oregon - 4.5 45-24 PENN STATE michigan state -21.0 61- 7 PURDUE indiana -21.5 34-10 san diego state AIR FORCE +16.0 38-34 SAN JOSE STATE fresno state + 6.0 16-19 south florida HOUSTON -11.0 32-14 tennessee VANDERBILT -19.0 24- 0 texas el paso LOUISIANA TECH +23.5 24-38 toledo NO ILLINOIS + 2.5 33-30 TULANE so mississippi + 6.5 31-10 tulsa SO METHODIST + 9.5 21-24 usc UCLA - 4.0 52-21 VIRGINIA maryland + 8.5 48-13 w michigan C MICHIGAN - 2.5 35-10 washington WASHINGTON STATE + 8.5 29-26 WISCONSIN minnesota - 7.0 49-31 Home team is in CAPS Ohio State beat Michigan, barely, and is headed for a national championship showdown with Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Friday is the Texas vs. Texas A&M showdown, new lines out Tuesday."}, {"response": 221, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 2002 (08:48)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score bengals STEELERS +10.5 21-29 browns SAINTS + 6.0 24-15 BUCCANEERS packers - 3.0 21- 7 colts BRONCOS + 6.5 23-20 COWBOYS jaguars + 2.5 21-19 DOLPHINS chargers - 3.0 30- 3 falcons PANTHERS - 3.5 41- 0 JETS bills - 3.0 31-13 lions BEARS + 5.0 17-20 raiders CARDINALS - 8.0 41-20 RAVENS titans + 2.0 13-12 REDSKINS rams + 4.5 20-17 SEAHAWKS chiefs + 3.0 39-32 TEXANS giants + 5.5 16-14 vikings PATRIOTS + 8.0 17-24"}, {"response": 222, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 2002 (08:49)", "body": "Wow, I won my Redskins bet going against the grain. I was sure they weren't going to cover after watching the early parts of the game. Coming up, the big A&M Texas matchup. It's Friday."}, {"response": 223, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 2002 (12:21)", "body": "Hi Terry Does that mean I lost? I put all on the Redskins rams 4.5 REDSKINS was the spread If so I look forward to next year when I will take you all to the Cleaners lol Joe"}, {"response": 224, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 2002 (19:07)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, November 28 - College MISSISSIPPI 9.5 mississippi st Friday, November 29 - College arizona state 6.5 ARIZONA ARKANSAS 5.0 louisiana state colorado 1.5 NEBRASKA TEXAS 13.5 texas a&m Saturday, November 30 - College alabama 13.0 HAWAII BOSTON COLLEGE 28.5 rutgers CENTRAL FLORIDA 16.5 ohio CINCINNATI 17.0 uab COLORADO STATE 17.5 unlv FLORIDA STATE 5.5 florida GEORGIA 10.0 georgia tech louisville 16.0 HOUSTON MARSHALL 14.5 ball state miami fla 20.5 SYRACUSE MARYLAND 13.5 wake forest MID TENNESSEE 5.5 utah state NEW MEXICO 8.0 wyoming oklahoma 14.0 OKLAHOMA STATE PITTSBURGH 3.5 west virginia SO MISSISSIPPI 10.0 east carolina TENNESSEE 7.5 kentucky TEXAS CHRISTIAN 14.0 memphis TOLEDO 3.5 bowling green USC 10.0 notre dame VIRGINIA TECH 6.5 virginia This week's NFL lines: Thursday, November 28 - NFL patriots 5.5 LIONS redskins 1.0 COWBOYS Sunday, December 1 - NFL broncos 3.0 CHARGERS BROWNS 7.5 panthers CHIEFS 9.5 cardinals COLTS 11.0 texans dolphins 2.5 BILLS falcons 3.5 VIKINGS GIANTS 3.0 titans NINERS 9.0 seahawks PACKERS 9.5 bears ravens 3.0 BENGALS steelers 3.0 JAGUARS EAGLES NL rams SAINTS NL buccaneers Monday, December 2 - NFL RAIDERS 6.5 jets"}, {"response": 225, "author": "george", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 2002 (19:40)", "body": "OK, yous guys, here's where we separate the men from the boys. I put my $20,0000, all of it on the University of Texas @ Austin to bust the spread. If I win, that's good. If I lose, it's been good to know you. Hook 'em, gaf"}, {"response": 226, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 2002 (21:57)", "body": "20,000 George 7,900 Marci 5,500 Terry 250 Frans 0 Joe"}, {"response": 227, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 2002 (21:58)", "body": "2500 Aggies"}, {"response": 228, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 2002 (20:15)", "body": "40,000 George 7,900 Marci 3,000 Terry 250 Frans 0 Joe I thought the Aggies would stay closer, but the QB that beat Oklahoma sat on the sidelines. Good going George. Condolences Joe and good luck next year."}, {"response": 229, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 2002 (20:47)", "body": "Turkey Day results: College: Winner Loser spread scor MISSISSIPPI mississippi st - 9.5 24-12 NFL: Winner Loser spread score COWBOYS redskins + 1.0 27-20 patriots LIONS - 5.5 20-12 Today's college results: Winner Loser spread score arizona state ARIZONA - 6.5 34-20 colorado NEBRASKA - 1.5 28-13 louisiana state ARKANSAS + 5.0 20-21 TEXAS texas a&m -13.5 50-20"}, {"response": 230, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 2002 (08:46)", "body": "Today's college results: Winner Loser spread score BOSTON COLLEGE rutgers -28.5 44-14 FLORIDA STATE florida - 5.5 31-14 GEORGIA georgia tech -10.0 51- 7 HAWAII alabama +13.0 16-21 HOUSTON louisville +16.0 27-10 MARSHALL ball state -14.5 38-14 MARYLAND wake forest -13.5 32-14 memphis TEXAS CHRISTIAN +14.0 20-27 miami fla SYRACUSE -20.5 49- 7 MID TENNESSEE utah state - 5.5 45-28 NEW MEXICO wyoming - 8.0 49-20 ohio CENTRAL FLORIDA +16.5 32-42 OKLAHOMA STATE oklahoma +14.0 38-28 SO MISSISSIPPI east carolina -10.0 24- 7 TENNESSEE kentucky - 7.5 24- 0 TOLEDO bowling green - 3.5 42-24 uab CINCINNATI +17.0 23-31 unlv COLORADO STATE +17.5 36-33 USC notre dame -10.0 44-13 VIRGINIA TECH virginia - 6.5 21- 9 west virginia PITTSBURGH + 3.5 24-17 The shocker here is Oklahoma State beating Oklahoma! Wonder what the new BCS rankings will look like?"}, {"response": 231, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  2, 2002 (22:20)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BILLS dolphins + 2.5 38-21 CHARGERS broncos + 3.0 30-27 CHIEFS cardinals - 9.5 49- 0 COLTS texans -11.0 19- 3 EAGLES rams + 1.0 10- 3 falcons VIKINGS - 3.5 30-24 JAGUARS steelers + 3.0 23-25 PACKERS bears - 9.5 30-20 panthers BROWNS + 7.5 13- 6 ravens BENGALS - 3.0 27-23 SAINTS buccaneers + 0.0 23-20 seahawks NINERS + 9.0 24-31 titans GIANTS + 3.0 32-29"}, {"response": 232, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 2002 (10:06)", "body": "Thursday, December 5 - College fresno state 1.5 LOUISIANA TECH Friday, December 6 - College cincinnati 7.5 EAST CAROLINA Saturday, December 7 - College georgia 8.5 arkansas (SEC Championship) marshall 6.0 toledo (MAC Championship) oklahoma 6.5 colorado (Big 12 Championship) HAWAII 14.5 san diego state MIAMI FLA 17.5 virginia tech NAVY 3.0 army ucla NL washington state (WSU QB Gesser Ques)"}, {"response": 233, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 2002 (18:52)", "body": "This week's NFL lines: Sunday, December 8 - NFL broncos 1.0 JETS BUCCANEERS 4.0 falcons CARDINALS 1.5 lions CHIEFS 3.5 rams eagles 4.0 SEAHAWKS JAGUARS 3.0 browns niners 5.0 COWBOYS PACKERS 10.0 vikings PANTHERS 3.0 bengals PATRIOTS 4.5 bills raiders 3.0 CHARGERS REDSKINS 2.5 giants STEELERS 13.5 texans TITANS 2.0 colts RAVENS NL saints Monday, December 9 - NFL DOLPHINS 8.5 bears"}, {"response": 234, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec  6, 2002 (13:29)", "body": "Late lines: Saturday, December 7 - College washington state 2.5 UCLA Sunday, December 8 - NFL saints 2.5 RAVENS Last night's college result: fresno state LOUISIANA TECH - 1.5 45-13"}, {"response": 235, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 2002 (15:47)", "body": "college results: Winner Loser spread score GEORGIA arkansas - 8.5 30- 3 SEC Championship NAVY army - 3.0 58-12 oklahoma COLORADO - 6.5 29- 7 Big 12 Championship san diego state HAWAII +14.5 40-41 toledo MARSHALL + 6.0 45-49 MAC Championship virginia tech MIAMI FLA +17.5 45-56 washington state UCLA - 2.5 48-27 NFL results: Winner Loser spread score browns JAGUARS + 3.0 21-20 BUCCANEERS falcons - 4.0 34-10 CARDINALS lions - 1.5 23-20 CHIEFS rams - 3.5 49-10 COWBOYS niners + 5.0 27-31 eagles SEAHAWKS - 4.0 27-20 giants REDSKINS + 2.5 27-21 JETS broncos + 1.0 19-13 PANTHERS bengals - 3.0 52-31 PATRIOTS bills - 4.5 27-17 raiders CHARGERS - 3.0 27- 7 saints RAVENS - 2.5 37-25 texans STEELERS +13.5 24- 6 TITANS colts - 2.0 27-17 vikings PACKERS +10.0 22-26 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 236, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 2002 (16:08)", "body": "cincinnati 8.0 north texas (12/17 - New Orleans Bowl) marshall 2.5 louisville (12/18 - GMAC Bowl) texas tech 5.5 clemson (12/23 - Tangerine Bowl) ucla 10.5 new mexico (12/25 - Las Vegas Bowl) hawaii 12.0 tulane (12/25 - Hawaii Bowl) boston college 4.5 toledo (12/26 - Motor City Bowl) oregon state 1.0 pittsburgh (12/26 - Insight Bowl) oklahoma state 7.0 so mississippi (12/27 - Houston Bowl) nebraska 4.5 mississippi (12/27 - Independence Bowl) kansas state 17.5 arizona state (12/27 - Holiday Bowl) west virginia 5.0 virginia (12/28 - Continental Tire Bowl) colorado 8.0 wisconsin (12/28 - Alamo Bowl) arkansas 8.5 minnesota (12/30 - Music City Bowl) oregon 6.5 wake forest (12/30 - Seattle Bowl) boise state 10.0 iowa state (12/31 - Humanitarian Bowl) washington 3.5 purdue (12/31 - Sun Bowl) colorado state 5.5 texas christian (12/31 - Liberty Bowl) georgia tech 3.5 fresno state (12/31 - Silicon Valley Classic) maryland 1.0 tennessee (12/31 - Peach Bowl) virginia tech 11.5 air force (12/31 - San Francisco Bowl) texas 10.0 louisiana state (1/1 - Cotton Bowl) florida 1.5 michigan (1/1 - Outback Bowl) notre dame 1.0 no carolina st (1/1 - Gator Bowl) penn state 5.5 auburn (1/1 - Capital One Bowl) oklahoma 6.0 washington state (1/1 - Rose Bowl) georgia 3.5 florida state (1/1 - Sugar Bowl) usc 6.0 iowa (1/2 - Orange Bowl) miami fla 13.0 ohio state (1/3 - Fiesta Bowl)"}, {"response": 237, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 2002 (20:30)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BEARS jets + 6.0 20-13 BILLS chargers - 3.0 20-13 BRONCOS chiefs - 4.0 31-24 cardinals RAMS +10.5 28-30 colts BROWNS - 2.5 28-23 DOLPHINS raiders - 1.5 23-17 EAGLES redskins - 7.5 34-21 GIANTS cowboys - 4.5 37- 7 jaguars BENGALS - 2.5 29-15 LIONS buccaneers + 8.5 20-23 packers NINERS + 3.0 20-14 ravens TEXANS - 3.0 23-19 seahawks FALCONS + 9.0 30-24 STEELERS panthers - 8.5 30-14 vikings SAINTS + 7.0 32-31 Monday night result: TITANS patriots - 2.0 24- 7 This week's college lines: cincinnati 8.0 north texas (12/17 - New Orleans Bowl) marshall 2.5 louisville (12/18 - GMAC Bowl) texas tech 5.5 clemson (12/23 - Tangerine Bowl) This week's NFL lines: Saturday, December 21 - NFL dolphins 3.0 VIKINGS eagles 6.5 COWBOYS niners 4.5 CARDINALS Sunday, December 22 - NFL COLTS 5.0 giants FALCONS 11.5 lions PACKERS 7.0 bills PANTHERS 3.0 bears PATRIOTS 3.5 jets RAIDERS 4.0 broncos rams pick SEAHAWKS RAVENS 3.0 browns REDSKINS 6.5 texans saints 7.0 BENGALS titans 3.0 JAGUARS chiefs NL chargers (KC RB Holmes Doubtful) Monday, December 23 - NFL BUCCANEERS 4.5 steelers Last night's college result: Winner Loser spread score north texas CINCINNATI north texas CINCINNATI + 8.0 24-19 12/17 - New Orleans Bowl MARSHALL louisville - 2.5 38-15 12/18 - GMAC Bowl"}, {"response": 238, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 2002 (00:21)", "body": "I'm just happy I did not put money on Louisville in the first college bowl. They played the worst game I've seen this season."}, {"response": 239, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 2002 (09:10)", "body": "What are there prospects for next season? Do they have a good recruiting class? Good news fo rthe Horns, Roy Williams will be back for his senior year."}, {"response": 240, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 23, 2002 (18:29)", "body": "NFL results: Winner Loser spread score CARDINALS niners + 4.5 14-17 eagles COWBOYS - 6.5 27- 3 VIKINGS dolphins + 3.0 20-17 BENGALS saints + 7.0 20-13 browns RAVENS + 3.0 14-13 CHIEFS chargers - 1.5 24-22 FALCONS lions -11.5 36-15 giants COLTS + 5.0 44-27 jets PATRIOTS + 3.5 30-17 PACKERS bills - 7.0 10- 0 PANTHERS bears - 3.0 24-14 RAIDERS broncos - 4.0 28-16 REDSKINS texans - 6.5 26-10 SEAHAWKS rams + 0.0 30-10 titans JAGUARS - 3.0 28-10 Home team in CAPS."}, {"response": 241, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Dec 24, 2002 (13:07)", "body": "Seasons Greeting to all punters I will be back in 2003 to take you all to the cleaners. Joe in ENGLAND"}, {"response": 242, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Dec 24, 2002 (17:35)", "body": "Ahhhhh THAT kind of Football?! Happy Holidays, Joe!b"}, {"response": 243, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (08:05)", "body": "For Marci penn state 5.5 auburn (1/1 - Capital One Bowl) For George, Frans, et al texas 10.0 louisiana state (1/1 - Cotton Bowl) Joe, I'll round up my laundry for you since you're taking me to the cleaners. Tell them to lightly starch that blue suit, ok? Come on George, one more hail Mary on Texas?"}, {"response": 244, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (15:02)", "body": "Thanks for the odds on Penn State. Almost a toss-up. But I will bet the lot on my alma mater. How could I do otherwise?!"}, {"response": 245, "author": "santa", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (18:33)", "body": "So with the standings being 40,000 George 7,900 Marci 3,000 Terry 250 Frans 0 Joe With your Christmas bonus of 40,000 each that comes to: 80,000 George 47,900 Marci 43,000 Terry 40,250 Frans 40,000 Joe So it's 47,900 Penn State for Marci"}, {"response": 246, "author": "santa", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (18:41)", "body": "Predict the *exact* score of the Texas game before kickoff and you get a 250,000 virtual dollar bonus. Predict the Superbowl winner before the Texas kickoff and win another 40,000. Predict the two teams in the Superbowl before the Texas Bowl game kickoff and win another 40,000. \"Tis the season for giving."}, {"response": 247, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (19:07)", "body": "Wow! Since this is my year to Boom or Bust, I'd like to take Penn State with me. Think positive... Thanks Terry! Exact score for Texas? If I could do that I would be in Las Vegas and not in Hilo!"}, {"response": 248, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Dec 25, 2002 (19:56)", "body": "40.000 texas I have a feeling or is it the Drink lol Joe"}, {"response": 249, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (00:11)", "body": "What is the exact score?"}, {"response": 250, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (06:24)", "body": "You have to pick a score, for example: Texas 28 LSU 12 That's my prediction. And 40,000 Texas You'll have to read the NFL topic to get ideas about the Superbowl topic, but remember to get your entries in before the Texas Bowl game kickoff!"}, {"response": 251, "author": "fransv", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (06:59)", "body": "OHOOOOOO OHOOOOOOOOO OHOOOOOOOOO Thank you Santa Claus for the 40 grand !!!!!!!! Merry X-mas to you all.!!!!!"}, {"response": 252, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (07:02)", "body": "Results for Christmas Day bowl games: Winner Loser spread score tulane HAWAII +12.0 36-28 12/25 - Hawaii Bowl UCLA new mexico -10.5 27-13 12/25 - Las Vegas Bowl Vegas is still late with some lines for the pros. Here's what I have so far: Saturday, December 28 - NFL eagles 1.5 GIANTS RAIDERS 7.0 chiefs Sunday, December 29 - NFL BEARS NL buccaneers BILLS 7.0 bengals BRONCOS 11.0 cardinals dolphins pick PATRIOTS CHARGERS 3.0 seahawks COLTS NL jaguars falcons 2.5 BROWNS JETS 1.5 packers REDSKINS 6.5 cowboys SAINTS 7.0 panthers STEELERS 7.5 ravens titans 8.0 TEXANS vikings 3.5 LIONS Monday, December 30 - NFL RAMS NL niners"}, {"response": 253, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (07:16)", "body": "To help you with your Superbowl predictions: Current Playoff rankings - Week 16: NFC AFC 1. Philadelphia 1. Oakland 2. Green Bay 2. Tennessee 3. Tampa Bay 3. Pittsburgh 4. San Francisco 4. Miami 5. Atlanta 5. Indianapolis 6. NY Giants 6. Cleveland 7. New Orleans 7. NY Jets ------------------------ 8. Denver ELIMINATED: 9. San Diego 8. St. Louis 10. New England 9. Seattle 11. Kansas City 10. Washington 12. Baltimore 11. Carolina ----------------------- 12. Arizona ELIMINATED: 13. Minnesota 13. Buffalo 14. Dallas 14. Jacksonville 15. Chicago 15. Houston 16. Cincinnati 16. Detroit"}, {"response": 254, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (07:16)", "body": "Miami 24 San Francisco 13"}, {"response": 255, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (13:46)", "body": "Texas 21 LSU 10 Texas 40.000"}, {"response": 256, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (18:15)", "body": "Predict the exact score and the winner and loser in the Superbowl before the Texas Cotton Bowl kickoff and win a one million dollar bonus. Predict Cedric Bensen's yards gained rushing and get another 40,000 bonus."}, {"response": 257, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (18:16)", "body": "That's Cedric's yards gained rushnig in the cotton bowl."}, {"response": 258, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (18:26)", "body": "Piece of bread, kindling and a drink, eh Joe. And it has to be brought by a tall dark person? Just after midnight."}, {"response": 259, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (19:39)", "body": "Yes thats it Paul The dark hair'd person for luck the kindling for fuel to keep your fires burning the bread to feed you through the year the drink to make sore you have plenty all brought in by the first person through you door after midnight old years night ie new years day will have good luck all year round > Joe"}, {"response": 260, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (22:48)", "body": "In Hawaii, I stand a good chance of getting someone with BLACK hair to come on New Year's Day. Please tell me the tradition from which this came. I am fascinated. Hauoli Makahiki Hou"}, {"response": 261, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (22:51)", "body": "I'll defer to Joe, he told me about it."}, {"response": 262, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (22:59)", "body": "I was hoping to hear from him. In the current situation in Hilo, we have to eat sourkraut and roasted pork on New Year's Day for the same effect. Local Japanese communities pound mochi rice into paste and make little cakes out of it with a red food coloring stamp for good luck. Also tangerines with a little of the stem and a leaf still on it is given for long life. I am American and have to New Year's traditions, though my English ancestors are probably screaming at me from where I cannot hear them. No one in my family has black hair. I do know one Welshman..."}, {"response": 263, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Dec 27, 2002 (08:05)", "body": "Hi the first foot tradition comes from scotland like all good things it is copied by all. Joe"}, {"response": 264, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Dec 27, 2002 (08:08)", "body": "FIRST-FOOT, in British folklore, especially that of the north and Scotland, the first person who crosses the threshold on Christmas or New Year\ufffds Eve. Good or ill luck is believed to be brought the house by First-Foot, and a female First-Foot is regarded with dread. In Lancashire a light-haired man is as unlucky as a woman, and it became a custom for dark-haired males to hire themselves out to \ufffd take the New Year in.\ufffd In Worcestershire luck is ensured by stopping the first carol-singer who appears and leading him through the house. In Yorkshire it must always be a male who enters the house first, but his fairness is no objection. In Scotland first-footing was always more elaborate than in England, involving a subsequent entertainment. Joe"}, {"response": 265, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 27, 2002 (10:04)", "body": "college results: Winner Loser spread score BOSTON COLLEGE toledo - 4.5 51-25 12/26 - Motor City Bowl pittsburgh OREGON STATE + 1.0 38-13 12/26 - Insight Bowl"}, {"response": 266, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan  5, 2003 (11:41)", "body": "buccaneers 6.5 BEARS And, the final college result of the year: ohio state MIAMI FLA +13.0 31-24 Fiesta Bowl Winner Loser spread score falcons PACKERS + 6.5 27- 7 JETS colts - 6.0 41- 0 Home team is in CAPS Winner Loser spread score arizona state KANSAS STATE +17.5 27-34 12/27 - Holiday Bowl mississippi NEBRASKA + 4.5 27-23 12/27 - Independence Bowl OKLAHOMA STATE so mississippi - 7.0 33-23 12/27 - Houston Bowl NFL results: Winner Loser spread score GIANTS eagles + 1.5 10- 7 RAIDERS chiefs - 7.0 24- 0 Final NFL stragglers: Sunday, December 29 - NFL COLTS 9.0 jaguars Monday, December 30 - NFL niners 1.0 RAMS"}, {"response": 267, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan  5, 2003 (11:50)", "body": "With the big server move over the last few days things have gone in to chaos hyere. Or maybe in to theat place in Lord of the Rings called Mordor. So here's your \"big gulp\" o' socres and lines to get you up to date. Everyone jnjoying their Christmas bonuses? Winner Loser spread score BOSTON COLLEGE toledo - 4.5 51-25 12/26 - Motor City Bowl pittsburgh OREGON STATE + 1.0 38-13 12/26 - Insight Bowl buccaneers 6.5 BEARS Winner Loser spread score arizona state KANSAS STATE +17.5 27-34 12/27 - Holiday Bowl mississippi NEBRASKA + 4.5 27-23 12/27 - Independence Bowl OKLAHOMA STATE so mississippi - 7.0 33-23 12/27 - Houston Bowl Winner Loser spread score GIANTS eagles + 1.5 10- 7 RAIDERS chiefs - 7.0 24- 0 Sunday, December 29 - NFL COLTS 9.0 jaguars Monday, December 30 - NFL niners 1.0 RAMS virginia WEST VIRGINIA + 5.0 48-22 12/28 - Continental Tire wisconsin COLORADO + 8.0 31-28 12/28 - Alamo Bowl RAMS niners + 1.0 31-20 minnesota ARKANSAS + 8.5 29-14 12/30 - Music City Bowl wake forest OREGON + 6.5 38-17 12/30 - Seattle Bowl FINAL college lines for the pool: Tuesday, December 31 - College boise state 10.0 iowa state (Humanitarian Bowl) washington 3.5 purdue (Sun Bowl) colorado state 5.5 texas christian (Liberty Bowl) georgia tech 3.5 fresno state (Silicon Valley Classic) maryland 1.0 tennessee (Peach Bowl) virginia tech 11.5 air force (San Francisco Bowl) Wednesday, January 1 - College texas 10.0 louisiana state (Cotton Bowl) florida 1.5 michigan (Outback Bowl) notre dame 1.0 no carolina st (Gator Bowl) penn state 5.5 auburn (Capital One Bowl) oklahoma 6.0 washington state (Rose Bowl) georgia 3.5 florida state (Sugar Bowl) Thursday, January 2 - College usc 6.0 iowa (Orange Bowl) Friday, January 3 - College miami fla 13.0 ohio state (Fiesta Bowl) This week's NFL playoff lines: Saturday, January 4 - NFL JETS 6.0 colts PACKERS 6.5 falcons Sunday, January 5 - NFL STEELERS 8.0 browns NINERS 3.5 giants New Year's Eve college results: Winner Loser spread score air force VIRGINIA TECH +11.5 13-20 San Francisco Bowl BOISE STATE iowa state -10.0 34-16 Humanitarian Bowl fresno state GEORGIA TECH + 3.5 30-21 Silicon Valley Classic MARYLAND tennessee - 1.0 30- 3 Peach Bowl purdue WASHINGTON + 3.5 34-24 Sun Bowl texas christian COLORADO STATE + 5.5 17- 3 Liberty Bowl Winner Loser spread score auburn PENN STATE + 5.5 13- 9 Capital One Bowl GEORGIA florida state - 3.5 26-13 Sugar Bowl michigan FLORIDA + 1.5 38-30 Outback Bowl no carolina st NOTRE DAME + 1.0 28- 6 Gator Bowl OKLAHOMA washington state - 6.0 34-14 Rose Bowl TEXAS louisiana state -10.0 35-20 Cotton Bowl Favorite is in CAPS final college result of the year: ohio state MIAMI FLA +13.0 31-24 Fiesta Bowl Winner Loser spread score falcons PACKERS + 6.5 27- 7 JETS colts - 6.0 41- 0 And a recap of all the past and present lines: Tuesday, December 31 - College boise state 10.0 iowa state (Humanitarian Bowl) washington 3.5 purdue (Sun Bowl) colorado state 5.5 texas christian (Liberty Bowl) georgia tech 3.5 fresno state (Silicon Valley Classic) maryland 1.0 tennessee (Peach Bowl) virginia tech 11.5 air force (San Francisco Bowl) Wednesday, January 1 - College texas 10.0 louisiana state (Cotton Bowl) florida 1.5 michigan (Outback Bowl) notre dame 1.0 no carolina st (Gator Bowl) penn state 5.5 auburn (Capital One Bowl) oklahoma 6.0 washington state (Rose Bowl) georgia 3.5 florida state (Sugar Bowl) Thursday, January 2 - College usc 6.0 iowa (Orange Bowl) Friday, January 3 - College miami fla 13.0 ohio state (Fiesta Bowl) Saturday, January 4 - NFL JETS 6.0 colts PACKERS 6.5 falcons Sunday, January 5 - NFL STEELERS 8.0 browns NINERS 3.5 giants"}, {"response": 268, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 2003 (10:02)", "body": "Results for NFL games, week of 1319 Winner Loser spread score buccaneers EAGLES + 3.5 27-10 RAIDERS titans - 7.5 41-24 Only one more game to go. The SuperbowlXXXVII Tampa Bay vs. Oakland Sunday 5 pm on ABC and KVET-AM."}, {"response": 269, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 2003 (10:03)", "body": "One more game. One more bet if you want to make it."}, {"response": 270, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 2003 (12:13)", "body": "40000 Tampa Bay Joe"}, {"response": 271, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 20, 2003 (13:38)", "body": "80,000 George 47,900 Marci 43,000 Terry 40,250 Frans 40,000 Joe 38,000 Raiders"}, {"response": 272, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jan 21, 2003 (01:10)", "body": "Superbowl lines will be out in the next few days. Possibly as early as later today. Joe and I have already made our moves without knowing the spread. I'm going with my gut on this one. You *can* change your bet right up to kickoff though. And I willhave some special \"prop\" bets. If you've never heard of a prop bet, stay tuned."}, {"response": 273, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Jan 21, 2003 (10:12)", "body": "Thanks Paul I will watch Joe"}, {"response": 274, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 22, 2003 (16:41)", "body": "SUPER BOWL XXXVII (bets must be posted by 600pm EST, Sunday, January 26 unless otherwise noted) Spreads and Totals spread o/u Game Raiders -4 43.5 Half 1 Raiders -2 22 Half 2 Raiders -2 21.5 Quarter 1 pick 8 Quarter 2 Raiders -2 14 Quarter 3 pick 8 Quarter 4 (+OT) Raiders -2 13 Odds Bets Margin of Victory First TD scored by Total Points First score is OAK by 37+ 30-1 C Garner 9-2 0-14 75-1 OAK FG 7-2 OAK by 31-36 22-1 M Alstott 6-1 15-21 30-1 OAK TD pass 3-1 OAK by 25-30 15-1 K Johnson 7-1 22-28 15-1 OAK TD run 4-1 OAK by 19-24 10-1 J Porter 7-1 29-35 7-1 OAK TD other 20-1 OAK by 13-18 5-1 J Rice 8-1 36-42 3-1 OAK safety 40-1 OAK by 7-12 3-1 Z Crockett 8-1 43-49 5-2 TB FG 4-1 OAK by 1- 6 5-2 K McCardell 10-1 50-56 3-1 TB TD pass 5-1 TB by 1- 6 4-1 J Jurevicius 15-1 57-63 6-1 TB TD run 7-1 TB by 7-12 7-1 T Brown 15-1 64-70 15-1 TB TD other 18-1 TB by 13-18 12-1 D Jolley 15-1 71-77 35-1 TB safety 50-1 TB by 19-24 20-1 K Dilger 15-1 78+ 40-1 TB by 25-30 35-1 M Pittman 18-1 TB by 31-36 50-1 R Dudley 18-1 TB by 37+ 60-1 R Gannon 18-1 B Johnson 22-1 J Ritchie 25-1 Field 9-2 no TD in game 40-1 Proposition Bets for all bets, guess which total/time is greater/longer you may bet up to 1000 virtual dollars on the anthem prop place bet by SB XXXVII event non-SB XXXVII event ------------ ---------------------------- --------------------------- Sat 10pm EST Total TDs scored Sets in Men's Final Australian Open Sun 12pm EST Total points scored Total points scored C Webber and V Carter Kings-Raptors Sun 1pm EST Receiving Yards Total points scored J Porter - Raiders P Pierce and T McGrady Celtics-Magic Sun 6pm EST Time for the Dixie Chicks 2:10 to perform \"The Star-Spangled Banner\""}, {"response": 275, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Thu, Jan 23, 2003 (09:51)", "body": "What does ....Game Raiders -4 43.5 mean ? Joe"}, {"response": 276, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 23, 2003 (14:36)", "body": "That's my fault for the bad formatting. This will be much clearer. SUPER BOWL XXXVII (bets must be posted by 600pm EST, Sunday, January 26 unless otherwise noted) Spreads and Totals spread o/u Game Raiders -4 43.5 Half 1 Raiders -2 22 Half 2 Raiders -2 21.5 Quarter 1 pick 8 Quarter 2 Raiders -2 14 Quarter 3 pick 8 Quarter 4 (+OT) Raiders -2 13 Odds Bets Margin of Victory First TD scored by Total Points First score is OAK by 37+ 30-1 C Garner 9-2 0-14 75-1 OAK FG 7-2 OAK by 31-36 22-1 M Alstott 6-1 15-21 30-1 OAK TD pass 3-1 OAK by 25-30 15-1 K Johnson 7-1 22-28 15-1 OAK TD run 4-1 OAK by 19-24 10-1 J Porter 7-1 29-35 7-1 OAK TD other 20-1 OAK by 13-18 5-1 J Rice 8-1 36-42 3-1 OAK safety 40-1 OAK by 7-12 3-1 Z Crockett 8-1 43-49 5-2 TB FG 4-1 OAK by 1- 6 5-2 K McCardell 10-1 50-56 3-1 TB TD pass 5-1 TB by 1- 6 4-1 J Jurevicius 15-1 57-63 6-1 TB TD run 7-1 TB by 7-12 7-1 T Brown 15-1 64-70 15-1 TB TD other 18-1 TB by 13-18 12-1 D Jolley 15-1 71-77 35-1 TB safety 50-1 TB by 19-24 20-1 K Dilger 15-1 78+ 40-1 TB by 25-30 35-1 M Pittman 18-1 TB by 31-36 50-1 R Dudley 18-1 TB by 37+ 60-1 R Gannon 18-1 B Johnson 22-1 J Ritchie 25-1 Field 9-2 no TD in game 40-1 Proposition Bets for all bets, guess which total/time is greater/longer you may bet up to 1000 virtual dollars on the anthem prop place bet by SB XXXVII event non-SB XXXVII event ------------ ---------------------------- --------------------------- Sat 10pm EST Total TDs scored Sets in Men's Final Australian Open Sun 12pm EST Total points scored Total points scored C Webber and V Carter Kings-Raptors Sun 1pm EST Receiving Yards Total points scored J Porter - Raiders P Pierce and T McGrady Celtics-Magic Sun 6pm EST Time for the Dixie Chicks 2:10 to perform \"The Star-Spangled Banner\" Mo' bettah Joe. These are some *sample* or should I say *example* bets to gie you an idea. And you can cascade bets, like take a first quarter bet win some and then add it to your total and bet on the next quarter. So you could poteintally double, triple, or increase your earnings by the timed sequence of your bets. 100 First TD: T Brown 100 Over/under: Over 100 Oakland by 7-12 100 First score: Oak TD Pass 100 Prop: Webber/Carter 50 Total SB points greater than total Webber+Carter points 500 Buccaneers +4 (Game) 200 Under 43.5 (Game) 3 Quarter 4 Under 13 points 200 Bucaneers win by 7-12 points 50 Dixies Chicks go Over 2:10 minutes on the National Anthem 500 First Score is Tampa Bay \"Other\" 200 1st TD by Crockett 200 Total TD's scored > Sets in Aussie Open Final 100 1st TD by Jolley 200 Oak by 13-18 200 Over in 1st half 100 Total points 64-70 200 Total points 71-77 200 Dixie Chicks go under 2:10 for anthem 2500 Jolley 1st TD 2500 T Brown 1st TD 2500 Gannon 1st Td Above are \"samples\" only, not my bets."}, {"response": 277, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 23, 2003 (14:39)", "body": "For example you could put all yoru winnings on teh Dixie Checks and go from 40,000 to 80,000 and then bet the 80,000 on the Jolley 1st TCD and so on."}, {"response": 278, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 2003 (11:14)", "body": "Even odds on the coin toss and you can these winnings on the game if you get your bet in before the kickoff. That gives you a minute or two."}, {"response": 279, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 2003 (13:20)", "body": "Heads or tails. Odds are even."}, {"response": 280, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 2003 (17:11)", "body": "20000 oakland to win the toss then all onto Tampa Bay to beat the spread Joe"}, {"response": 281, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 2003 (18:03)", "body": "20000 Oakland Coin Toss"}, {"response": 282, "author": "fransv", "date": "Sun, Jan 26, 2003 (18:19)", "body": "ok last second!!!!!!!!!!!! 40000 on tempa bay"}, {"response": 283, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 27, 2003 (09:16)", "body": "The standings before the Superbowl: 80,000 George 47,900 Marci 43,000 Terry 40,250 Frans 40,000 Joe I was 0 for 2 so ended up with zip. Joe lost 20k on the toss and won 20k on the game. Frans was the big winner with his last second hail mary and ends up with 80,250. So Frans narrowly edges out George, who is not a big Pro Football fan. Final Standings 80,250 Frans 80,000 George 47,900 Marci 40,000 Joe 0 Terry Congratulations Frans on winning this years pool and condolences to George who did incredibly well in predicting the Longhorns season this year. Come back next year and bring your buddies along!"}, {"response": 284, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jan 27, 2003 (09:21)", "body": "And congrats to Marci who ended up in the number 3 spot, ahead of Joe by virtue of not entering the Superbowl fray. Lesson for me. Don't bet on a bunch of forty somethings in a football game Bob Nagy came over and watched the game and actually showed interest and I gave hime a rundown on the rules. He did coax me in to switching from tivo to the perfect picture on the big 10' dish. It was a wild feed on ABC. We had a fun Superbowl party."}, {"response": 285, "author": "admin", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 2003 (04:34)", "body": "Joe, bob and several others did the virtual trophy award on Echolink and in the repeater.org chat room. See http://www.repeater.org/frans.htm"}, {"response": 286, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Mar 20, 2003 (23:21)", "body": "I was certain I had lost every last cent in the Penn State debacle. Did I miss something? Yippee if I did!"}, {"response": 287, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Mar 30, 2003 (10:55)", "body": "George ended up the winner. Things got a little confused when we lost some data moving the server and for a bit we though Frans had won. Instead, he has been crowned the Euopean Champion. Marci, you are the Hawaiin South Pacific Champion!"}, {"response": 288, "author": "fransv", "date": "Tue, Aug 12, 2003 (14:20)", "body": "Hi You all. Let me know when the new pool will be startet. I saved all that mony from last season so i have a lot to spend this pool. p.s. Its tropical warm this summer in Holland on the moment its 36 degr outside. So George: The beer tast verry well !!!"}, {"response": 289, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 12, 2003 (18:22)", "body": "Season's close at hand. The Horns are out on the practice fields. The players are saying this years team, at this stage, could whup last years team. That's a good sign. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 64, "subject": "Ricky Williams - running back and website author", "response_count": 11, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 2002 (09:37)", "body": "This is a small sample from today's journal: Thursday September 19,2002 As we prepare for the Jets this week, I am starting to grow tired of the whole \"Jets Jinx\" everyone is talking about. Everyone but us. I am not saying that it isn't on our minds. The way I see it, it is just a freak coincidence that the Jets have beaten us the past eight meetings. I am sure it wears on some of the guys minds. It happens all the time in sports, when one team has another teams number, especially when they play each other twice a year. The Cowboys have won nine straight over Washington, too. When I was in New Orleans we had a bunch of successful against the Rams. No one could understand how we kept beating the best team in the NFL. Well, we knew that if we played them physically, they would have problems. I am sure the Jets have just known how to play us, or how to play the team we were. Hopefully that has changed with all of the new additions to the team. It's all mental, and as long as we know we are a different, better team, then we can put all this \"jinx\" crap to rest"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov  5, 2002 (12:20)", "body": "Ricky's latest journal entry: I am sure there are a bunch of questions about the addition of Cris Carter to our team. Most of them will be answered on Monday. I wanted to share an observation of mine with all of you. As an offensive unit, we aren't very vocal. We are pretty much the same in the huddle whether we are winning by 20 or losing by 20. I don't think that is very good. Again, that is just my opinion. What makes a team great is leadership. We have tons of it on D, but not nearly enough on the offensive side of the ball. I have made several futile attempts, but don't feel I have the credentials or credibility yet. Cris does and has already shown signs of being vocal towards players and coaches as well. Always positive. I hope he feels comfortable enough soon enough for us as a team to benefit from his experience and leadership. The Dolphins lost up in the land of the frozen North, so it will be interesting to read Ricky's post game observations in a day or two. http://run-ricky-run.com"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 30, 2002 (03:25)", "body": "I see that Miami is topping the NFL now for playoff eligibility. Ricky should be a very happy guy! I'll have to check in on run ricky run soon. Stay tuned for more Ricky Williams run ricky run comments!"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 30, 2002 (04:03)", "body": "His coach told him he wanted 130 yards and Ricky asked him what he was smoking. This was the Chargers game. I'm read today's journal entry in http://run-ricky-run.com What *was* he smoking. Ricky's not a stats guy. I wish he'd date some of his journal entries. He's talking about the Chargers win. Some really good stuff. Miami's 7-4 and they play the Bills Sunday, Dec. 1st. They have a two game winning streak since their loss to the Jets 13-10."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 26, 2002 (07:12)", "body": "Richy Willimas Christmas Wish List from his website: My Christmas Wish List: A win this week A home play-off game Nicer policemen A few classic movies on DVD A rushing title The ability to not misplace everything A comfortable pair of jeans A new plasma for my computer A lens for my hasselblad To see my sisters A kiss from that cute girl in section 127 A Longhorn victory in the Cotton Bowl A few 1 gig cards for my camera Walter Payton's toughness Jim Brown's wisdom ( I actually got a little this weekend) Barry Sanders' moves World Peace To have cheesecake in my diet Better questions from the media Marley at least acting like she is listens to me For Ray Lucas not to throw so damn hard Continued great play from the offensive live For Rob Konrad to stop looking in the mail for a Rolex"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 29, 2003 (16:08)", "body": "Ricky, are you reading any of this?"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Mar  8, 2004 (08:50)", "body": "Richy shaved his head I've got to see this!"}, {"response": 8, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (22:11)", "body": "Ricky's back in pro football now."}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr  2, 2006 (11:19)", "body": "http://www.sitevip.net/ricky-williams/home.htm Ricky Williams Biography Ricky Williams #34 Height: 5-10 Weight: 228 Born: 05/21/1977 College: Texas NFL Experience:6 Ricky WilliamsErrick Lynne Williams (Ricky) and his twin sister, Cassandra (Cassie), were born on May 21, 1977, in San Diego, California. Their parents, Sandy and Errick, were young and hardly ready for the responsibilities of raising a family. They argued often, sometimes right in front of Ricky and Cassie. The situation became even more tense when the couple gave birth to their third child, Nisey. Errick and Sandy went through a messy divorce in 1983. They signed the settlement four months after Ricky's sixth birthday. Errick contended that Sandy had been unfaithful. She accused him of abusing the kids. That charge swayed the court in her favor. Sandy was awarded custody of Ricky and his sisters, and Errick was granted only limited visitation rights. Eight months later he was convicted on misdemeanor charges that he mistreated his children. Errick denies his guilt to this day, claiming his former wife lied about his relationship with his kids. It took years, but Ricky began to rebuild his relationship with his father as a teenager. Errick has since remarried, and now has four children with his second wife. Ricky has pledged to help finance their college educations. Without question, Ricky was affected by his toxic homelife. Even when Errick left and the fighting stopped, the family still had to scrape by. Sandy and her three kids lived in a cramped San Diego apartment. A move to La Mesa, about 15 miles northeast, helped matters, but the kids were sometimes the target of racial taunts. In his new suburban surroundings, Ricky experienced a new kind of frustration. He felt \"too black\" for his white friends and \"too white\" for his black friends back in San Diego. Ricky was an intelligent young man who scored well on standardized tests. This got him into his school's accelerated program, but his inability to control his anger constantly landed him in hot water. He was a bully who picked on smaller kids, and Sandy was told he needed help. Ricky began seeing a counselor at school, but by seventh grade his grades began to drop. When he was removed from the accelerated program and placed back in the mainstream, he lost interest in his studies entirely. His mother met with school officials and they agreed to transfer him to a new junior high and re-enroll him in the accelerated program. The fresh start was exactly what Ricky needed, and his academic career got right back on track. Ricky entered San Diego's Patrick Henry High School in the fall of 1992. An excellent athlete throughout his childhood, he was now coming into his own on the baseball and football fields. A friend, Chad Patmon, had been instrumental in this process. He showed Ricky how to channel the energy from his pent-up anger into sports. Ricky played football and baseball, ran track, and wrestled for the Patriots. Initially, it appeared his future was brightest on the diamond. An All-State outfielder, he emulated Tony Gwynn of the Padres. As a junior, Ricky batted .331 and stole 31 bases. The following spring he upped his average to .340. Ricky, a halfback and linebacker, was also the star of the football team. College coaches were most intrigued by his potential as a runner, and the recruiting calls began during his junior year. As a senior, Ricky gained 2,099 yards and scored 25 touchdowns. His postseason honors included being named \"Best of the West\" by the Long Beach Press-Telegram and Offensive Player of the Year by the San Diego Union-Tribune . Competition to sign Ricky became intense, with Stanford, California and Texas at the top of the list. In the spring of 1995, the Philadelphia Phillies made Ricky their eighth-round draft pick. He was undecided between a career on the diamond or gridiron, but knew he could sign with the Phillies and still play college football. When Philadelphia offered a $70,000 signing bonus and multi-year contract, Ricky said hello to pro ball and good-bye to minimum-wage jobs at fast-food restaurants. He banked the money, then joined Philadelphia's rookie-level affiliate in Martinsville, Virginia. For an athlete who had known nothing but success, playing in the minors was an eye-opening experience. Against Appalachian League pitching, Ricky managed a meager .239 average with just 11 RBIs. He took heart, however, that teammate Reggie Taylor-a first-round pick-hit .222. Taylor would go on to make the majors, as would another teammate, pitcher Dave Coggin."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, May  6, 2006 (11:57)", "body": "I guess Ricky's on the outs with the NFL again due to another drug test. I hope he picks up the pieces and has a great career in the Canadian football league, I hope the Vancouver team lands him."}, {"response": 11, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Tue, Jun 27, 2006 (08:58)", "body": "I think he ended up with the Toronto Argonauts? sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 65, "subject": "Anaheim Angels", "response_count": 77, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 2002 (04:57)", "body": "So just who are these \"Anaheim Angels\" Julie? Can you give us a little color commentary?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (00:17)", "body": "The Anaheim Angels are part of the American League Western Division in Major League Baseball. The have been around since the late 50\ufffds. From 1961-1964, they were known as the Los Angeles Angels, from 1965-1996, they were known as the California Angels, and from 1997-present they are known as the Anaheim Angels. The Anaheim Angels only reached the playoffs 3 times; 1979, 1982, and 1986. We have all been watching anxiously this season as the Angels were winning game after game after game. If been a battle now against the Seattle Mariners, the Texas Rangers, and our biggest rival the Oakland A\ufffds. Most of us here have been glued to our TV sets and listening to radios cheering the Angels on to their much-deserved victory to the playoffs. And some may even be lucky enough to go to one of their games. Well, the Anaheim Angels only need to win 1 more game to go to the playoffs. The Angels were winning almost every game against Texas and Seattle last week, but then Oakland took them out hard and ever since then the Angels have been working hard to make a come back. I know they can do this. They have worked so hard and after 16 years I think its time for the U.S and the world to know about our awesome team once again. GO ANGELS GO!! Look out world here comes the Anaheim Angels!"}, {"response": 3, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (00:18)", "body": "I really thought their victory was going to be today, but they were defeted by Texas 2 to 1."}, {"response": 4, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (00:29)", "body": "I will give you all some stats on some of the players later when I have more time. I wanted so badly to get tickets to the playoffs, but there was already 30,000 people at Edison International Field on Friday night even though tickets could not be bought until 9am Saturday morning. Things are getting crazy here, but who can blame anyone...the Angels haven't done this since 1986. This is BIG for southern California. I fortunatly do have tickets to the game on Friday where the Anaheim Angels play the Seattle Mariners on the Angels home turf. This is going to be a big game cause its the last refular game of the season. And it may be their deciding game if they dont win Texas tomorrow or Thursday. So I am prepapred for possibly a riot at the ballpark. So if I were you I would watch the game on t.v. Maybe you will see me. I am going all out on Friday. I will be wearing my Angels shirt, hat, face paint, and a baseball jacket. I will also be holding up some kind of sign. I can't wait! This is so cool! GO ANGELS GO!!"}, {"response": 5, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (00:56)", "body": "I used to play softball as a kid and I would watch baseball on TV ever chance I got. My grandpa was into baseball big time. He grew up in Boston and of course his fav teams were the Boston Red Sox's and the New York Yankees, but when he moved to Los Angels he became an L.A Dodger fan too. I am thinking of trying out for the softball team at my school next semester. All this baseball craziness has driven me to baseball madness. You don't know a baseball fan until you met me. LOL! For the past 2 weeks or more I have watched every single game on t.v or listened to it on the radio. And when I was in school during the games I would take my walkman with me and listen to it on the radio IN CLASS!! Okay well only when we weren't doing anything in class that day. I keep getting Angel memorablia left and right. I am so so excited!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (01:06)", "body": "Hehehe....I even put a baseball hologram sticker on my cell phone, which is set to play \"Take Me Out to the Ball Game\" (sings) Take me out to the ball game. Take me out to the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks. I don't care if I ever come back. For its root root root for the home team if they don't win its a shame. For its 1, 2, 3 strikes your out in the old ball game!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (01:30)", "body": "I think I should explain about the Angels biggest rivals the Oakland A's cause right now they are on everyone's nerves...ESPECIALLY MINE!!! Those jerks! (laughs) Sorry, I can't help it. I nearly beat a man up 2 days ago cause he was in ANGELS TERRITORY and wearing the A's hat! The Angels and the A's have been battling for the division title. More than a week ago the Angels were ahead, but then the A's caught back up and past them. And now the Angels are 4 games behind. GRRRRR...I can't stand those A's. They were arguing over who should play the Yankees cause everyone is afraid of them I guess. The Angels beat the NY Yankees 5 to 1 in a regular game back in 1998 so I know they could do it again. Everyone asks me if I will become a Mariners fan when I transfer to Washington. I do admit that they are a very good team. Hey..they even beat the A's tonight. But I will still remain a true Angels fan even if I do decide to go to a Mariners game someday."}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (08:24)", "body": "I would say you are a passionate Angels fan and I would not be called for exagerating! Please don't get arrested for pummeling an Oakland fan, we like your commentary too much. What's the schedule like for the rest of the year? What's the \"magic number\" for them, ie. what combination of wins and losses would get them int eh playoffs and how many more games do they play?"}, {"response": 9, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (13:03)", "body": "Hi Julie I like the way you are putting this over maybe in time I will understand your game keep it up Joe in England"}, {"response": 10, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (15:19)", "body": "Don't worry, I won't beat anyone up. I had to bite my tongue pretty hard though that day so I wouldn't snap something very inappropriate to that guy. I am trying to keep my cool. I am very protective to my Anaheim Angels. LOL. The magic number for them is 1. All they need is 1 more win to get to the playoffs regardless what happens to the A's, Mariners, or Texas. But as for the Divison Title, well I hate to say it, but I don't think the Angels can make a comeback for that. They would have to win 4 more games and the A's would have to lose 4 more games for the Angels to take the Division Title. I know that won't happen because there is only 4 games left anyway. The Mariners did beat the A's last night, but since the Angels lost too that didn't gain them anything. As for the schedule here is a look at what's been happening this month. Sun, Sep 1 Baltimore W 9-3 Tue, Sep 3 at Tampa Bay W 10-2 Wed, Sep 4 at Tampa Bay W 4-2 Thu, Sep 5 at Tampa Bay W 10-1 Fri, Sep 6 at Baltimore W 6-3 Sat, Sep 7 at Baltimore W 4-2 Sun, Sep 8 at Baltimore W 6-2 Mon, Sep 9 Oakland L 1-2 Tue, Sep 10 Oakland W 5-2 Wed, Sep 11 Oakland W 6-5 Thu, Sep 12 Oakland W 7-6 Fri, Sep 13 Texas W 3-2 Sat, Sep 14 Texas W 8-6 Sun, Sep 15 Texas W 13-4 Mon, Sep 16 at Oakland L 3-4 Tue, Sep 17 at Oakland W 1-0 Wed, Sep 18 at Oakland L 4-7 Thu, Sep 19 at Oakland L 3-5 Fri, Sep 20 at Seattle W 8-1 Sat, Sep 21 at Seattle L 4-6 Sun, Sep 22 at Seattle L 2-3 Tue, Sep 24 at Texas L 1-2 Wed, Sep 25 at Texas 8:05pm Thu, Sep 26 at Texas 3:05pm Fri, Sep 27 Seattle 10:05pm Sat, Sep 28 Seattle 4:05pm Sun, Sep 29 Seattle 4:05pm For more information on the Anaheim Angels and to see stats, scoreboards, history, news, etc..you can go to the Anaheim Angels Homepage. http://anaheim.angels.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/ana/homepage/ana_homepage.jsp"}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 2002 (16:07)", "body": "Maybe they're getting some losses out of their system, this is not the time of year to \"turn cold\". Two games at Texas to go, \"Pudge\" is raining on y'alls parade! Texas is sure having a miserable season, they're 71-86. At least they have \"A Rod\"; the only time a last place team might ever have an MVP. Life must be tough for A Rod in the basement, but those millions of $$$ somehow must ease the pain."}, {"response": 12, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Thu, Sep 26, 2002 (19:25)", "body": "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! WE'RE GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS BABY!! LOOK OUT NEW YORK YANKEES...CAUSE HERE WE COME!! THE ANGELS DID IT IN TEXAS. THEY BEAT THE RANGERS 10 TO 5. WHAT A GAME! EVERYONE IS CELEBRATING AND PARTYING NOW. THIS IS SO SO COOL! WE MAY BE THE WILD CARD RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THE A's LOSE TONIGHT AND THE LAST 3 GAMES THEN THE ANGELS WILL WIN THE DIVISION TITLE AS WELL. SEATTLE HAS BEAT THE A's TWO GAMES IN A ROW NOW. IF THEY CAN BEAT THE A's AGAIN TONIGHT THAN ITS ALL UP TO THE ANGELS TO MAKE HISTORY ALL OVER AGAIN! WOOOOOOHOOOOO!!! GO ANGELS GO!!"}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 2002 (10:00)", "body": "I can feel your excitement. Congratulations Julie. Now, on the the playfofs right? What do the playoff matchups look like so far? Who will the Angels be playing?"}, {"response": 14, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 2002 (14:20)", "body": "This is really confusing actually and no one seems to know all the details yet. All we know is that the Anaheim Angels will be playing the New York Yankees this Tuesday at Yankees Stadium in New York. What I don't understand yet is if people were getting tickets for the playoffs last weekend did they know that it was going to be in New York? Something here doesn't make sense but I'm sure everything will be figured out this weekend since Sunday is the last game before the playoffs. I will let you guys know ASAP. For now though, I got to go get ready for the big game tonight. I will have to take some pictures so I can show you all how crazy things are. I going to see if I can stay a bit after the game in hopes of getting some autographs, but with all the people I'd say my chance is slim to none. I'll let you know how everything is going as soon as possible. You might be able to see the game on TV or download it to watch on the net. Well see ya at the ballgame! *grins excitedly*"}, {"response": 15, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 2002 (14:11)", "body": "WOW!! What a game! I definatly picked a very good game to go to. It was well played even though the Mariners won. The game went on for 12 innings from 7:05pm to close to midnight! In the last few innings the game was tied at 6, but the Mariners got another home run taking the lead to 7 to 6. The Angels had one last chance at the middle of the 12th inning to gain the lead or tie, but they struck out quick. After the game we stayed at watched the fireworks, since it was the very last regular game. The fireworks were great! I completely lost my voice though from screaming and cheering during the game. Hey, I have to support my hometeam you know... even if it means I can't talk for a few days. LOL. I didn't get to see many of my favorite players play because I guess they were taking the day off since they had played against Texas the day before. I did get to see Troy Glaus, Garret Anderson, Darin Erstad, and Brad Fullmer play which was really cool. Brad Fullmer scored the only home run for the Angels last night so that was definatly a very big highlight in the game. I was holding up the sign I made the whole time. It even got on the camera in front of the entire stadium! The sign I made said...GOOD LUCK ANGELS! WE'RE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY! When the game got out it was already midnight, but Sean and I ran over to the back of the parking lot where the Angels come out hoping to get some autographs. There were other fans there too and lots of security. We stuck our heads through the fence screaming players names as they walked out to their cars in hopes of them signing our hats or baseballs. We saw all the great players come out....Tim Slamon, David Eckstein, Adam Kennedy, Scott Spiezio, Orlando Palmerio, Benji Molena, Brad Fullmer, Alex Ochoa, Darin Erstad, Chone Figgins, John Lackey, and Lou Pote. We also saw the Angels manager Mike Scioscia come out! I screamed their names so loud, but most of them were too tired and too upset from losing to sign. Lou Pote, a relief pitcher of the Angels was the only one who came up to the bars of the fence and signed some autographs. So I did manage to get his signiture on my Angels baseball hat. I almost touched Adam Kennedy's car. That gave me a rush...LOL. And I almost got stuck in the bars as well cause I was trying to stick half of my body through! Wouldn't that have been funny if I had gotten my head stuck in the bars and the fire department would of had to come down and cut the bars! LOL.....I could just see what the news would say....19 year old girl gets head stuck in bars of fence at Edison Field trying to get autographs of the Angels. LOL!!!!! Ah well. We finally got home at around 1am. I hope to get to go to more games next season. This was so much fun. Its so much nicer to be in the stadium watching the game up close and personal than at home behind a TV. Well...like I said before....GOOOD LUCK ANGELS!! They will need it to beat the NYY. They can do it though...I know they can! GO ANGELS GO!!"}, {"response": 16, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sat, Sep 28, 2002 (21:02)", "body": "Today's game was awesome!! I wish I could have gone to today's game as well. The Angels really knocked those Mariners off their feet today with a score of 4 to 8 Angels. The 6th inning was just amazing. The Angels made 7 runs in the 6th inning. S Wooten singled to left, B Fullmer scored, S Spiezio to second. A Kennedy singled to left, S Spiezio scored, S Wooten to second. A Amezaga reached on infield single to second, S Wooten scored, C Figgins to second. O Palmeiro reached on infield single to first, S Wooten and C Figgins scored, A Amezaga to second. J Ramirez singled to left center, A Amezaga scored, O Palmeiro to third. B Fullmer tripled to deep center, O Palmeiro and J Ramirez scored. WHAT A GAME!! I will explain what is going to happen for the playoffs as soon as I get the chance."}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 2002 (09:29)", "body": "That's amazing, Julie, these guys have appeared out of nowhere."}, {"response": 18, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Sep 30, 2002 (02:39)", "body": "Well the Angels won again today with a score of 7 to 6. This is their 99th win of the season. So what's in store next? Well right now I am insanlly jeaolus of my friend Michael who got tickets to the playoff game in NY. He is leaving tonight to watch the Angels play the Yankkes on Tuesday! That is so not fair!! I have to sit and take midterms all week and be lucky enough if I get to even see the game on TV and my friend gets to sit in the bleachers in NY to see two of the best teams ever compete??!!! UGH! Life is so cruel sometimes. Ah well. Anyway....There is no game on Monday. Tuesday like I said the Angels are in NY playing the Yankkes. Wednesday is the same. Thursday there is no game. Friday it will be at Edison Field in Anaheim, CA. Saturday the same thing. And Sunday back in NY. But Saturday and Sunday's games are not for sure yet. Depends on who wins if they need make ups and so forth. It looks like the games are on at 5pm and I think that would be pacifc time. So you may be able to watch it, but I would check your local TV listings to make sure."}, {"response": 19, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Sep 30, 2002 (02:55)", "body": "Angels 7, Mariners 6 By KEN PETERS AP Sports Writer September 30, 2002 ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) -- Mike Scioscia obviously liked the way the number sounded. ADVERTISEMENT ``Ninety-nine wins is incredible,'' the Anaheim manager said, smiling and shaking his head after the Angels beat Seattle 7-6 Sunday to finish their best regular season ever. Last year, the Angels went 75-87 and finished 41 games behind West winner Seattle, which had an AL-record 116 victories. Anaheim finished four games behind division champion Oakland this season, and six games ahead of the Mariners to earn the AL wild card. ``To come out of our division and get into the playoffs, I think a lot of people outside our organization didn't think it was possible,'' Scioscia said. The Angels will play their first playoff games since 1986 Tuesday and Wednesday against the Yankees in New York. Scioscia decided to go with six relievers during the first round, with rookie 20-year-old Francisco Rodriguez on the roster. The hard-throwing Rodriguez was called up from the minors Sept. 22 and struck out 13 of 23 batters he faced. ``He could be interesting this week,'' Scioscia said. With only 5 2-3 innings of major league experience, Rodriguez joins Troy Percival, Scott Schoeneweis, Scot Shields, Ben Weber and Brendan Donnelly -- a 31-year-old rookie -- in the bullpen for the series against New York. Among those omitted were relievers Dennis Cook, who was sidelined with a rotator cuff injury until Sept. 1, and Al Levine. ``There were some really tough decisions,'' Scioscia said. ``I think that says something about the depth of this organization. But we have a roster now that I feel comfortable with.'' The Angels' regular season closed with the sellout crowd of 42,878 chanting, ``Beat New York! Beat New York!'' as the players walked off the field. Troy Glaus hit a grand slam in the first inning for the Angels, who built a 6-0 lead then held on to win. Anaheim's Aaron Sele, who had been out with a shoulder injury, gave up two runs on three hits in 4 1-3 innings. Although he's not on the first-round roster, Sele would be available if Anaheim advances to the AL championship series. The Angels, who clinched the wild card and eliminated Seattle on Thursday, started their usual lineup Sunday after resting most of the regulars the previous two days. ``This weekend's been fun for all of us,'' Scioscia said. ``It's been a grind all season, and I think some of our guys needed to be able to step back and catch their breath. Now I think we're where we should be.'' The Mariners finished 93-69 after losing twice to Anaheim in the weekend series. ``We've been used to going to the postseason the past few years, so this time of year we're used to going to the next town,'' Seattle manager Lou Piniella said. ``Ninety-three wins is usually good enough for the playoffs. ``But not this year. It's an empty feeling now.'' Glaus' 30th homer and second career grand slam came with one out against Ismael Valdes (8-12). Brad Fullmer led off the fifth against Valdes with his 19th homer. Pinch-hitter Ben Davis hit his seventh homer for Seattle, a three-run shotoff Al Levine in a four-run seventh inning. Notes The Angels' most wins previously was 92, accomplished in both 1982 and 1986. ... Anaheim was 48-28 after the All-Star break, second-best in the majors behind Oakland's 53-21. The Mariners were 38-36 after the break. ... Seattle RHP Kazuhiro Sasaki plans to consult with his doctor in Japan to decide whether to have surgery to remove a bone chip in his right elbow. ... Mariners CF Ichiro Suzuki finished his first two major league seasons with more hits (450) than any other player in history. ... Glaus tied a career high with 111 RBIs, and LF Garret Anderson tied a career high with 123. ... The Angels' home attendance was 2,305,565 for the season, an increase of 304,646 over lastyear."}, {"response": 20, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 2002 (16:17)", "body": "Today is the big game! Gosh...I am so excited and so nervous. I know the Angels can do this. Washburn vs. Clemmons. Washburn had a longer break. I know he will be ready to kick some Yankee butt! There is already a big thing about Angel fans in New York. I actually am glad I did not get to go to NY, cause if the Angels win, the Yankee fans won't be very happy. They might attack the people in the stadium that are wearing red Angel hats and jerseys. So I wish my friend Michael good luck cause he may need it to come out of the Yankee Stadium in one piece! I'm going to class today dressed in blue and red with my Angels shirt and hat. I will have to keep listening to the score during breaks and maybe I may try to sneak it in class (laughs evily). We just need to win 3 out of 5 games in this series and then we move on. GO ANGELS GO!!!"}, {"response": 21, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 2002 (16:22)", "body": "Tuesday, October 1, 2002 TIME TO MONKEY AROUND By KEITH SHARON The Orange County Register It has been 16 years since the Angels played a meaningful October game. The die-hards are out of practice. What follows is your guide to being an Angels fanatic: First, this is the week to let no Yankee fan touch your monkey. The Rally Monkey has become sacred, and any Yankee who wants to touch yours can only be doing it to pass along ill will. Don't trust New Yorkers this week. They want to steal the monkey's mojo. Don't let it happen. This is the week to wear red underwear. Then, should something good happen, this is the week not to change that underwear. This is the week to wear a red hat to work, bring a radio and earphones and/or secretly follow every pitch on ESPN.com or CBS Sports Line.com. For the fans with the most job security, this is the week to develop a cough, food poisoning or a migraine and cut out of work before 4 p.m. to get home in time for the introduction of the starting lineups. This is the week to curse the Bambino, to tame the Bronx Zoo, to yank the Yankees out of the playoffs. This is NOT the week to jinx the Angels. Don't say the wrong thing, or a bad outcome will rest squarely on your shoulders. HOW TO INFLUENCE THE GAME WHILE WATCHING ON TELEVISION 1. If the Angels have a big inning, STAY WHERE YOU ARE. Do not go to the bathroom. Do not take a phone call. Do not go get more chips. If you are eating while the Angels are having a big inning, KEEP EATING THE SAME THING. Do not change foods in the middle of a rally. 2. Pound something during a rally - the coffee table, your legs, the arms of your chair, the BOOM BOOM BAM, BOOM BOOM BAM. It simulates the noise at the field and it startles your cats. 3. If the Angels are losing, don't panic ... not until the sixth inning at least. 4. If the Angels are losing in the sixth, change something. Change your seat. Change your shirt. Change your beer. Find an excuse to leave the room. It's always fun to rearrange the positioning of everyone who is watching the game with you. 5. If the Angels are losing late in the game, it's time to go to the rally cap. (See graphic.) 6. If the Angels are losing in the ninth, it may be time for the ultimate sacrifice. Turn off the television. Wait five minutes. Turn the game back on. If the Angels have caught up, turn off the television again. ACT LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1. Yell \"WOOOO\" when Sean Wooten bats. 2. Point out that David Eckstein is really 5-foot-6. 3. Call Adam Kennedy \"AK.\" 4. If Tim Salmon hits a homer, yell that he went \"UPSTREAM.\" WHAT NOT TO SAY 1. Any sentence that begins with, \"When the Angels get to the World Series ...\" would be the ultimate jinx. If you are caught saying this, your address will be given to Angels Manager Mike Scioscia, who will come to your house with a Louisville Slugger. 2. Don't utter the names Gene Mauch, Dave Henderson or Donnie Moore ever again. 3. If the Angels are ahead, do not say anything that assumes they might win. Remember what happens when you assume: You make a Bill Buckner of you and me. HOW TO ARGUE WITH AN OBNOXIOUS YANKEE FAN 1. Avoid, for the most part, the past. In fact, most recorded baseball history favors the Yankees. The Yankee ghosts are better than Angels ghosts, which were created in Hollywood (\"Angels in the Outfield\") rather than on the baseball field. 2. Concentrate on George Steinbrenner, the cranky Yankee. (See Fun Steinbrenner Facts.) 3. Remind them that the Yankees introduced \"wife swapping\" into the popular culture, when pitchers Mike Kekich and Fritz Peterson exchanged not only their wives but also their families during the spring of 1972. 4. Recall the August 1986 incident in which one of the Yankee faithful threw a bowie cq knife with a 5-inch blade at Wally Joyner, then an Angels rookie. 5. Recall that the Yankee Clipper, Joe DiMaggio, was so cheap he drove his car around in the rain to avoid paying to have it washed. 6. Remind them that the pitcher the Angels beat in Game 1 of the 1986 playoffs was Roger Clemens, tonight's Yankee starter. 7. Remind them that the great Yankee manager, Joe Torre, was once in the Angels organization - as a broadcaster. He couldn't make it into the Angels dugout. FUN STEINBRENNER FACTS 1. Convicted of conspiring to violate federal election laws with illegal contributions to then-President Nixon's re-election campaign in 1972. 2. Pardoned by former President Reagan in 1989. 3. Holds major-league record for firing 17 managers in his first 17 seasons as owner. In 1996, he fired 56 Yankees employees, his most prolific year. He also has fired 15 general managers and 37 pitching coaches.x 4. Suspended for paying $40,000 to a flaky gambler to gather dirt on Dave Winfield. 5. Claimed he punched out two Dodger fans in an elevator during the 1981 World Series. The story was never confirmed.x IF YOU PAINT YOUR BODY (FOR HOME GAME FRIDAY) 1. You might want to consider painting your face as to be unrecognizabl"}, {"response": 22, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 2002 (16:25)", "body": "This is definatly going to be a fun week regardless what happens. But just to be safe, I am going to follow the rules above and as well follow the hat rules. If you wear your baseball hat a certain way it may bring good luck or bad luck for the outcome of the game."}, {"response": 23, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 2002 (18:00)", "body": "Anaheim at NY Yankees 8:17pm American League Division Series Game One Probable Starting Pitchers Anaheim: Jarrod Washburn (18-6, 3.15) NY Yankees: Roger Clemens (13-6, 4.35) BRONX, NEW YORK (TICKER) -- The New York Yankees begin their drive to regain what they feel is rightfully theirs on Tuesday night when they open their American League Division Series against the upstart Anaheim Angels. New York had its string of three straight championships end last season in a classic seven-game World Series loss to Arizona. The Yankees took a 2-1 lead into the bottom of the ninth inning of the decisive game but closer Mariano Rivera suffered his first blown postseason save since the 1997 Division Series against Cleveland. After seeing its offense struggle in the postseason a year ago, New York retooled and added four new position players and improved its bullpen. The biggest acquisition was former Oakland first baseman Jason Giambi, who lived up to the billing by leading the Yankees with 41 homers and 122 RBI. New York finished with baseball's best record at 103-58, only the second time it has won more than 100 games under manager Joe Torre. The Yankees easily won the American League East by 10 1/2 games over Boston. Losing last year's World Series is definitely something that does not sit well with New York's Game One starter, Roger Clemens (13-6, 4.35 ERA). Clemens went 6 1/3 innings in Game Seven against Arizona and allowed just one run. \"I think that not being the defending world champions now, when you take a peek at your championship rings, I think it makes you appreciate it more,\" Clemens said. \"Sometimes you can get spoiled in certain situations because your expectations are so high and you reached those goals. Then to come up short, it was just depressing because we knew we were going to lose two or three pieces of a great team.\" Clemens was chosen to take the ball in the opener in part because of his success at home. The six-time Cy Young Award winner is 19-2 with a 2.97 ERA over the last two regular seasons at Yankee Stadium. Clemens did not face the Angels this season and owns a 27-8 career record and a 2.50 ERA against them. He went 1-1 with a 4.37 ERA in three starts against the Angels with the Boston Red Sox in the 1986 AL Championship Series, including a Game Seven triumph in Anaheim's last playoff appearance. \"I think Roger's had a very good season,\" Torre said. \"We talk about the fact that he's 40 years old but he's still a power pitcher. When he allows his ability to work for him, I think his stuff has probably been more consistent this year than last year.\" Clemens is 6-6 lifetime in postseason play and split two decisions a year ago. In the Division Series, he is 1-3 with a 4.86 ERA. Plenty has changed for Anaheim since its last playoff appearance, starting with the fact the team changed its name from the California Angels. The Angels finished 27 games out of a playoff spot a year ago and rebounded from a 6-14 start to win a franchise-record 99 games and the wild card spot. Anaheim does not have one player in its starting lineup with any playoff experience and will be introduced to a hostile environment on Tuesday. The Angels are 18-17 at Yankee Stadium since the start of the 1996 season. \"I think when they get out there, I think they're going to be fine,\" Angels manager Mike Scioscia said. \"We're going to play baseball, our type of game, we know the challenge of facing an incredibly talented club as the Yankees. We feel we match up.\" Scioscia will turn to his ace, Jarrod Washburn (18-6, 3.15) for the opener. Washburn went 13-3 on the road this season with a 2.65 ERA and defeated the Yankees at home on August 1 by yielding one run and four hits in seven innings in a 2-1 victory. Washburn, a 28-year-old lefthander, is making his second career start at Yankee Stadium. He lost on August 3, 2001 when he yielded three runs and seven hits in seven innings in a 4-2 defeat. \"I'm nervous,\" Washburn said. \"I'm nervous before every start. As I've said before, when I quit being nervous, it won't be fun anymore. It's more of an excited nervous than anything, but other than that, I'm pretty relaxed.\" Washburn's presence on the hill has helped result in a surprising start for New York with rookie Juan Rivera in left field. Third baseman Robin Ventura will bat seventh and designated hitter Rondell White will bat eighth in front of Rivera. Garret Anderson hit .306, had 56 doubles and drove in a career-high 123 runs to lead Anaheim on offense. Leadoff hitter David Eckstein hit .293 but enters in a 1-for-22 slump. New York won four of seven meetings with Anaheim in the regular season."}, {"response": 24, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Tue, Oct  1, 2002 (18:05)", "body": "I don't care what this article says...I can't stand it when people say the Angels are going to have to work really hard to beat those Yanks. Well obviously, but they don't need to rub it in. The Angels made it this far they can certainly beat the Yanks at their own game. I have ever confidence in them that they can pull this off. If there is any Yankee fans out there...be afraid..be very afraid. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!"}, {"response": 25, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 2002 (01:33)", "body": "WOW! I turned my radio on at the wrong inning. I really thought the Angels had done it. It was the 8th inning and the Angels were leading 5 to 4 after Troy Glaus hit his second homer in the game. But those Yanks scored 4 more runs in the last inning bring the final score 5 to 8 Yankees. The Angels played a hell of a game though and you could tell that Clemmons was getting a little worried and so were the rest of the Yankees in the 8th inning. We will see what happens tomorrow though. A think I will stop listening to the game during class though. I ummm..sort of embaressed myself today in my physical geography class. I was listening to the game while we were doing a group activity and Troy Glaus had hit his second homer. I screamed, \"YES!\" at the top of my lungs, so everyone in the class turned to me. UGH! My professor was cool about it though. She made me give the highlights of the game to the class and keep everyone informed. Hey! I can't help it! This hasn't happened since 1986 and I was what...barely 4 years old back then. I am not going to let this slip by without having some fun since I am the Angels #1 fan! (smiles excitedly)"}, {"response": 26, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 2002 (13:29)", "body": "It's great that your Prof has a sense of humor. Tonight's a real key game for the Angel's, almost in the \"must win\" category?"}, {"response": 27, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 2002 (01:22)", "body": "NO PROBLEM!! THE ANGELS PLAYED AN AWESOME GAME TONIGHT. THEY WERE TOUGH AND THEY FOUGHT HARD MAKING FEW MISTAKES. THEY BEAT THE YANKEES 8 TO 6. IF THEY KEEP PLAYING LIKE THIS FOR THE REST OF THE PLAYOFFS THEY WILL DEFINATLY MAKE IT TO THE WORLD SERIES. YOU DEFINATLY DODN'T WANT TO BE AT MY HOUSE WHILE WATCHING THE GAMES THOUGH. TONIGHT I MUST HAVE GONE INSANE CAUSE I PUT ON WAR PAINT AND STOOD ON THE COUCH JUMPING AROUND SCREAMING OUT STRIKES AND OUTS AND SO FORTH. I KNOW THE NEIGHBORRS HEARD ME SCEAM YES!!!! AND HOMERUN!! BUT OH WELL. I HOPE THE ANGELS WILL CONTINUE THE WAY THEY PLAYED TONIGHT FOR THE REST OF THE SERIES."}, {"response": 28, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 2002 (01:39)", "body": "Angels 8, Yankees 6 By RONALD BLUM AP Sports Writer October 3, 2002 NEW YORK (AP) -- Having watched how comebacks are created in the Bronx, the Anaheim Angels put together one of their own. Garret Anderson hit a tying home run off Orlando Hernandez in the eighth inning, Troy Glaus followed with a go-ahead shot and the Angels evened their best-of-five AL playoff series by beating the New York Yankees 8-6 in Game 2 Wednesday night. ``I know crazy things happen here,'' said Troy Percival, who escaped jams in the eighth and ninth innings, ``but not tonight.'' After the Yankees had clawed back from a 4-0 deficit to take a 5-4 lead, the crowd was stunned. It was the first time New York has ever lost a postseason game at Yankee Stadium when leading after the seventh inning, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. ``We do what it takes to win, no matter the circumstances, no matter whatever,'' Glaus said. A night after failing to bring in Percival in the eighth and watching his bullpen squander a lead in the opener, Angels manager Mike Scioscia called for his closer with Anaheim trying to protect a 7-5 edge in the eighth. Percival got out of the jam, throwing a called third strike past Derek Jeter, who questioned the call, with the bases loaded. Scott Spiezio then hit a run-scoring double in the ninth off Jeff Weaver, his third hit and RBI. The Yankees tried for one more comeback in the bottom of the ninth, with Jorge Posada blooping an RBI single with one out. But with two runners on, Percival struck out Nick Johnson and retired Raul Mondesi on a popup. Anaheim, which set a team postseason record with 17 hits, then closed out the 4-hour, 11-minute marathon and headed home to California with its first playoff win since 1986, one that gives the Angels hope they can knock off the four-time defending American League champions. The series resumes Friday with the Angels' Ramon Ortiz facing Mike Mussina. ``We really feel we're in this series,'' Scioscia said. ``We've got a big challenge ahead of us. We've got to go out there and continue to press these guys. Early homers by Tim Salmon and Spiezio helped Anaheim put together a 4-0 lead and knock out Andy Pettitte after three innings. ``He made some bad pitches,'' Yankees manager Joe Torre said. But the Yankees closed to 4-3 against Kevin Appier and went ahead when Alfonso Soriano finally got that elusive 40th homer -- a two-run shot in the sixth off Francisco Rodriguez, a 20-year-old right-hander who made his major league debut on Sept. 18. El Duque, relegated to the bullpen because of the Yankees' pitching depth, replaced Pettitte in the fourth and showed the poise under pressure he's known for in the postseason, where he was 9-2. He retired his first 11 batters and 12 of 13, but Anderson tied it when he led off the eighth with a drive into the right-field bleachers. Torre elected to stay with El Duque rather than go to his regular relievers, and Glaus followed with his third homer of the series. The shot center shocked the crowd of 56,697 at Yankee Stadium, where New York had won six straight postseason games, including a come-from-behind 8-5 thriller in Tuesday's opener. Adam Kennedy added a sacrifice fly later in the eighth off Mike Stanton. Unlike Tuesday, Anaheim's bullpen held on. Ben Weber got in trouble in the eighth, when Johnson singled with one out and Mondesi hit a hard comebacker that the pitcher tried to grab, only to watch it ricochet to shortstop for a single. Weber, who sprained his right index finger, angrily shook his hands in disgust. Once again, Scioscia was in a spot. In the opener, he didn't bring in Percival to protect a 4-3 lead in the eighth, saving his closer for a bottom of the ninth that never came. Scioscia went again to Brendan Donnelly, who gave up Bernie Williams' tiebreaking eighth-inning homer in the opener. As Percival watched in disbelief from the bullpen, holding out his arms as if to say ``I don't know'' and shrugging his shoulders, Donnelly was cheered by New York fans as he warmed up. He nearly gave up a hit down the first-base line to pinch-hitter John Vander Wal, but then came back to throw a called third strike by him. ``It's important for us to keep Percy in a controlled situation,'' Scioscia said. ``Four outs for him is the max.'' Scioscia finally brought in Percival, who had 40 saves in 44 chances during the regular-season, to face Soriano. His first pitch hit him in the left shoulder blade, loading the bases. With the crowd on its feet, Percival faced Jeter, who had reached in his first seven plate appearances of the series -- homering twice -- before grounding out in the sixth. Jeter, 1-for-11 against Percival in his career, was tied up as he missed a 96-mph fastball, then took a ball and fouled off a pitch. Percival then threw a pitch over the outside corner and Jeter was called out by plate umpire Doug Eddings, who was giving pitchers the outside corner all night. ``He thought the pitch was outside,'' Torre said. Rodriguez"}, {"response": 29, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 2002 (01:40)", "body": "KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK ANGELS!!"}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  3, 2002 (10:30)", "body": "I can feel your excitement! When's the next game and who's pitching for the Angels and the Yankees?"}, {"response": 31, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Fri, Oct  4, 2002 (16:08)", "body": "Roman Ortiz is pitching for the Angels and Mike Mussina is pitching for the Yankees. It should be quite a game. Remember me telling you all about those 32,000 or some odd people that were waiting in line to get play off tickets 3 weeks ago? Well those are the people that are going to be at the game tonight. So in other words...mostly Angel fans wearing red. The Yankees may have a hard time concentrating if they see red everywhere and hear the sound of thousands of thunder sticks drowning everything out. I sure hope so. Anyway, I want to tell you an interesting story about my friend Michael who I think I mentioned before. He got a chance to see the Angels play in New York on Monday. I was talking to him last night on the phone and he told me quite some some interesting stories. Its not everyday you get to do something like this. He took a plane to New York on Sunday night around midnight. He arrived in NY some time on Monday morning. He and his friend Scott went to the Yankee Stadium later in their Angel hats and jersey's and already started getting remarks to them. People would start screaming at them..\"Why are you here?\" Actually they didn't say it like that. They used a lot of nasty swear words that I won't say on here. Michael and his friend Scott went up to the one of the hundreds of police officers that were being used at security. They introduced themselves and told them they may night an escort out of here if things get crazy. The police officer just looked at them probably thinking they are crazy to come out here wearing Angel gear. The two of the sat in the bleachers in the middle of a huge crowd of Yankee fans wearing what else but navy. Red unfortunatly stands out like a sore thumb. Sp people began pointing at them and saying very cruel things to them. But Michael and Scott are both gentleman so they never said anything back, but they did began to worry. During the game the began to get better accquainted with the people around them. But they still got rude remarks even one from an 8 year old kid who started swearing at them right in front of the kids dad who was patting his back like he was encouraging him!! When Glaus hit his home run, the Stadium was quiet..well except for Michael and Scott and the other 9 other Angel fans there. Yes...There was only 11 Angels fans at the Stadium on Monday. When special songs came on like YMCA, the Yankee fans would sing differnt words with it and then said something bad about the Angels and pointed at Michael and Scott. I think if the Angels had won on Monday, I don't know if they would have made it out alive. A reporter folled them after the game on to the subway and did an entire interview with them. The ended up on the front page of our newspaper..The Orange County Register. But wow! What a wild and crazy experience! I can't believe people treated them like that. But that's baseball or any sport for that matter. If you are in another teams territory you are going to get screamed at and booed at. I just thought people would have a little common senese and respect to not beat people up over something like this. I wonder what will happen to any Yankee fans who are in Edison Field tonight. Well...it should be interesting whatever happens. The game is on at 8pm eastern time."}, {"response": 32, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  4, 2002 (23:46)", "body": "Exciting game. Tied up in the 8th. Angels. Will. Not. Give. Up. In fact, they just went ahead. Julie's living room must hve just exploded."}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  4, 2002 (23:51)", "body": "An Angels home run. Now, it's 9-6. Julies excitement must be registering on seismometers in S Cal."}, {"response": 34, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (00:20)", "body": "THE ANGELS WON!! THE ANGELS WON!! WOOOOOHOOOOO!! Final score 9-6. What a game again!! They sure take those Yankees by surprise in the last few innings with how hard they play and fight. The Angels only need to win 1 more game and they go on to play either the Minnesota Twins or the Oakland's A's. I hope if we do win we play Minnesota because the Angels have been struggling with the A's the whole season. They are our biggest rival too. But we will see what happens. Tomorrow's game is at 4pm eastern time. Jarrod Washburn is pitching for the Angels and David Wells is pitching for the Yankees in tomorrow's game. GOOD LUCK ANGELS!!"}, {"response": 35, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (02:05)", "body": "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Angels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a great bullpen."}, {"response": 36, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (23:33)", "body": "Well...no surprise..but....ANGELS WON!! WOOHOOO!! The Anaheim Angels beat the Yankees 5-9 to win the series. What happens next? Well these hard working Angels get a much desevred 2 day break. But come Tuesday night, they play either Oakland or Minnesota depending on which team wins tomorrow. Cross your fingers that its Minnesota! LOL. The Anaheim Angels broke a lot of records today...so I thought I would post this article to tell of them."}, {"response": 37, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 2002 (23:34)", "body": "Angels 9, Yankees 5 By JOHN NADEL AP Sports Writer October 5, 2002 ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) -- As soon as David Eckstein settled under the popup, the red-clad crowd of 45,067 at Edison Field began celebrating. And when the Anaheim shortstop caught it for the final out, a most stunning AL division series was over. While the New York Yankees sat and stared blankly from the first-base dugout, the Angels and their fans cheered as never before, having beaten the big, bad New York Yankees 9-5 to win the best-of-five series 3-1. ``It's been a long time coming for myself and this organization, a lot of blood, sweat and tears,'' Tim Salmon said after the Angels won a postseason series for the first time. ``To finally come through and do it, it's just special.'' Shawn Wooten homered and hit an RBI single during an eight-run fifth inning as the wild-card Angels put an emphatic end to 42 years of frustration. ``I didn't have my head in the sand, a lot of people didn't give us much of a chance,'' manager Mike Scioscia said. ``The perspective is, it's one rung up the ladder,'' he said. ``It has to give us confidence to beat the incredible club we just played against.'' The no-name Angels hit .376 -- the highest ever in a postseason series -- against a vaunted pitching staff Yankees manager Joe Torre had called his best in his seven-year tenure. And New York's 8.21 ERA was its worst in 57 postseason series. ``It really got ugly for us,'' Torre said. ``I have no reasoning for it or excuse for it. It's a bad taste right now. They played a whole lot better than we did. They did what they needed to do and we weren't there.'' By losing the four-time defending AL champions were the first team eliminated from the playoffs this October. The Angels, meanwhile, play at either Oakland or Minnesota in Game 1 of the AL championship series on Tuesday night. Born as an expansion franchise in 1961 as the ``other'' team in the Los Angeles area, the Angels made the playoffs only three times before this year. They blew a 2-0 lead in the best-of-five ALCS against Milwaukee in 1982 and were one strike away from the World Series in 1986 before losing the last three games to Boston. That's six chances to win a series, and six losses. It was a different story Saturday. ``Nobody gave us a chance against the Yankees. Maybe we caught them on a bad week, I don't know. You can't say enough about how our club's playing,'' said Salmon, the longest-tenured Angels player. The Angels, who won a club-record 99 games during the season, took advantage of another collapse by Yankees pitching -- this time, David Wells got roughed up. Torre gave the Angels credit, but wouldn't say they were a better team than the Yankees. ``I'm too proud to say that,'' he said. ``We were beaten by a team that played a whole lot better than we did this week.'' Benji Gil, like Wooten a seldom-used right-handed batter inserted by Scioscia against Wells, also had two of his team's postseason record-tying 10 hits in the fifth, which ended with the Angels on top 9-2. The Angels have played in 20 postseason games in their history while the Yankees have won 26 World Series, including four of the last six. But it's the Angels, who battered New York pitching for 56 hits and 31 runs in this four-game series, who are moving on. And for the first time since 1997, the Yankees aren't. After Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina struggled in the first three games, Wells wasn't any better. The big four finished with a whopping 10.38 ERA in this series. Following the Yankees' Game 7 World Series loss to Arizona last year, owner George Steinbrenner stood in the locker room and vowed his team would make it back. The Yankees signed the biggest free agent on the market, Jason Giambi, and the Boss personally lured Wells to win games just like this. ``There's no doubt it's disappointing,'' Giambi said. ``We worked hard, got 103 wins, but they just beat us. No excuses. I thought we played great, to be honest with you. They just played better.'' Long owned by singing cowboy Gene Autry until his death in 1998, the Angels are now controlled by The Walt Disney Co., which is trying to sell them. Among the champagne-soaked visitors in the clubhouse was Autry's widow, Jackie. ``This is great to see,'' she said. ``The fact that these guys still remember and still love Gene is very heartwarming to me.'' Wells, who brought an 8-1 lifetime record in postseason play into the game, limited the Angels to three hits and one run in the first four innings. Then came the disastrous fifth when the Angels, who hit a major league-leading .282 during the season, erupted. Wooten, who had only three home runs during the regular season, hit a 2-0 pitch over the left-field fence for the Angels' ninth homer of the series to make it 2-all. Gil singled one out later -- the first of five straight singles. With two outs, Scott Spiezio's RBI single made it 6-2 and chased Wells, who was charged with eight runs in 4 2-3 innings. Ra"}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct  6, 2002 (10:11)", "body": "Congratulations to the Angels and Cardinals (my favorite team)."}, {"response": 39, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Oct  7, 2002 (12:38)", "body": "Angels, Twins alike in many ways By JOHN NADEL AP Sports Writer October 7, 2002 ANAHEIM, Calif. (AP) -- Now that the Anaheim Angels have won a postseason series for the first time, they'll be facing a team much like themselves. A berth in the World Series will be at stake. The wild-card Angels will meet the AL Central champion Minnesota Twins in the best-of-seven league championship series beginning Tuesday night at the raucous Metrodome. The Angels shocked the four-time defending league champion New York Yankees in four games while the Twins beat AL West champion Oakland in five in the division series. The Angels, formed as an expansion franchise in 1961, are in the playoffs for the first time in 16 years; the Twins for the first time in 11. ``Minnesota plays a lot like we do,'' Angels closer Troy Percival said before the Angels flew to Minneapolis late Sunday. ``They'll play small ball, but they can also get you with the long one. And they've got a very strong bullpen, like ours. So it's going to be a real good series.'' The Twins, 5-4 against the Angels this year, were the only artificial turf team to make the playoffs. The Metrodome has been a huge advantage for the home team, especially in the postseason when the fans really crank up the volume. The Twins have a 12-2 postseason record at the Metrodome including an 8-0 mark in the 1987 and 1991 World Series, winning both despite losing all six road games. The Twins won 94 games this season and went 54-27 at home -- the same record the Angels had at Edison Field. Anaheim won a franchise-record 99 games, but finished four games behind Oakland in their division. The Angels have done well at the Metrodome in recent years, going 16-9 since 1998. But they've never experienced the noise that awaits them this week and in Games 6 and 7, if the series goes that far. Anaheim was 10-5 on artificial turf this year including 3-3 in Minnesota. ``I think we play OK on any surface,'' Percival said. ``Our infielders are so quick and sure-handed that anything they can get to, they're going to make the plays on -- grass or turf. So we're just looking forward to going at it with them.'' Manager Mike Scioscia said right-hander Kevin Appier, who pitched five innings in Game 2 of the division series, will start Game 1 against the Twins. Scioscia wouldn't identify who will pitch in Game 2 or beyond. Appier was the only Anaheim player with postseason experience entering the playoffs. The Twins were in the same boat, with right-hander Rick Reed their only player with postseason experience. ``They're pretty similar to us,'' Angels outfielder Tim Salmon said. ``They put the ball in play and they get a lot of action on the bases, like we do.'' ``From a pitching standpoint, they're solid, like we are. They've got an ace in (Brad) Radke, we've got one in (Jarrod) Washburn, and all the other guys in their rotation are very capable of pitching great games -- just like our guys are.'' The teams also have very good bullpens and are nowhere close to the top when it comes to payroll. But they're here. The Twins also began playing in 1961, having moved from Washington where they were the original Senators. ``They're an incredible ballclub, just like the team we just beat,'' Scioscia said. ``But we'll get after them.'' The Twins' pitching staff had better be ready for the Angels' offense, which set a postseason series record by batting .376 in eliminating the Yankees. With only one All-Star in their lineup -- cleanup hitter Garret Anderson -- the Angels had 56 hits including nine home runs and scored 31 runs in eliminating the Yankees 3-1. ``If a team gets hot, there's nothing you're going to be able to do to stop it,'' Salmon said. ``And if we're that team that's hot, there's nothing they can do to stop us. ``So it's going to come down to which team puts together a hot series.''"}, {"response": 40, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Oct  7, 2002 (12:41)", "body": "This series should be interesting. I am so glad Oakland did not win. The Angels have a much better chance with Minnesota cause both teams are similar. Too bad the first game is tomorrow though. I guess I am going to have to bring my walkman to class again, LOL."}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  9, 2002 (07:06)", "body": "Mexico's Peralta in Talks to Buy Anaheim Angels Tue Oct 8, 4:01 PM ET By Fiona Ortiz MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Billionaire businessman Carlos Peralta said on Tuesday he is in talks to buy the Anaheim Angels Major League Baseball team from Walt Disney Co., vying to become the first Mexican to own a Major League club. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=577&e=1&cid=577&u=/nm/20021008/sp_nm/mexico_baseball_dc The Angels hit .376 against the Yankees as a team, and even though they lost a close one in their opener, it's a long series. Ken Macha is not expected back next year."}, {"response": 42, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Fri, Oct 11, 2002 (12:56)", "body": "So far the Angels and Twins have both won 1 game each. Tonights game is against Washburn for the Angels and Milton of the Twins at the Anaheim Stadium. I will be going to tomorrow's game and Sunday's game with my friend Michael, so I am very very excited about this. He tried to get World Series Tickets but so far they are all sold out, so we will see what happens. The Giants have won 2 games against the Cards so far. I am somewhat surprised about this. Maybe the Cards will make their comeback on the next game. No I am not rooting for the Cards and I am not rooting for the Giants either. I have too many friends that like each team so I refuse to say a word. But...since no one I know likes the Twins....I will have my fun making fun of them. LOL. I will keep everyone posted on the Championships."}, {"response": 43, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (13:06)", "body": "Angels won last night. The game was tied till late in the game, but then Troy Glaus hit a beautiful home run in perfect timing for the Angels to gain the lead for good. Wow!! Hopefully the game I go to today and tomorrow will be just as crazy, amazing, and awesome!"}, {"response": 44, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (19:43)", "body": "Great going Julie. I just finished watching the Longhorns lose to Oklahoma, so it's good to get updated on baseball. I am rooting for the Cards to come back."}, {"response": 45, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Sat, Oct 12, 2002 (22:55)", "body": "They did."}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 13, 2002 (15:45)", "body": "Cardinals down 2-1 and the Angels up 3-1, will they wrap it up today?"}, {"response": 47, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Oct 14, 2002 (13:36)", "body": "WOW!!! WHAT A GAME LAST NIGHT! AND I WAS THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE ACTION. I HAVE NEVER HAD BEEN NOR HAD SUCH A MEMORABLE, EXHILERATING EXPEREIENCE IN MY LIFE! LET ME TELL YOU ALL HOW IT STARTED. I MET MY FRIEND MICHAEL AND SOME OF HIS BUDS AT THE STADIUM. EVERYONE WAS THERE AT AROUND 10AM ALREADY CELEBRATING WHAT THEY KNEW WAS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT DAY. EVERYONE WAS HAVING BARBAQUES IN THE PARKING LOT. WHILE THE HOTDOGS AND HAMBURGERS WERE COOKING, MICHAEL AND I PLAYED CATCH IN THE PARKING LOT WITH OUR GLOVES. EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE PRAKING LOT WAS EITHER EATING, PLAYING CATCH, OR CHATTING ABOUT THE ANGELS SPECTACUALR SEASON AND HISTORY. FINALLY AT AROUND 12:30 OR SO, WE ENTERED THE STADIUM. AFTER RECIEVING OUR THUNDERSTICKS AT THE ENTERANCE, WE WENT OVER TO FIND OUR SEATS. WE ALL GOT TO SEAT TOGETHER UNLIKE SATURDAY'S GAME. THE FIRST FEW INNINGS WENT BY QUICK AGAIN AND OT MUCH HAPPENED. IN THE 5TH AND 6TH, THE TWINS SCORED AFEW MORE RUNS AND WERE AHEAD OF US. I COULD HEAR THE TONE IN EVERYONE'S VOICE WHEN WE ALL SANG GOD BLESS AMERICA AND TAKE ME OUT TO THE BALL GAME. WE WERE GETTING DISCOURAGED, BUT WE WERE NOT ABOUT TO GIVE UP YET. THE ANGELS ARE KNOWN FOR THEIR MIGHT COMEBACKS, MOST OF WHICH HAPPEN IN THE 7TH AND 8TH INNINGS. WELL THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. THE ANGELS MADE ONE OF THE MOST BIGGEST COMEBACKS MOST OF US HAD EVER SEEN IN 7TH INNING. I WILL POST A RECAP OF WHAT HAPPENED LATER. DURING THE 7TH INNING AS THE SCORE BOARD WENT FROM 5 TO 13, EVERY FAN IN THAT STADIUM WENT CRAZY. OUR SECTION ALL FELL ON EACH OTHER OVERCOMED BY THE MOMENT. WE ALL WERE GIVING HIGH-FIVES TO EACH OTHER AND SCREAMING AND CHEERING THE TOP OF OUR LUNGS. I HOSTED MY RALLY MONKEY THAT MICAHEL BOUGHT ME AT SATURDAY'S GAME INTO THE AIR. I HAD MADE A SHIRT THAT MORNING SAYING....ANGELS TO THE WORLD SERIES! I PUT THE SHIRT ON THE THE RALLY MONKEY. THE ANGEL FANS BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE RALLY MONEKY AND THAT IS MAYBE WHAT GOT THE ANGELS WHERE THEY ARE TODAY. DURING THE LAST INNING WE COULD SEE THE TWINS TRYING TO FIGHT BACK, BUT IT WAS NO USE TO OUR PRIZED PITCHER PERCIVAL WHO STRIKE THEM OUT EASILY. WE ALL WAITED FOR THAT LAST STRIKE TO BE CALLED. IT SEEMED TO TAKE FOREVER, BUT ONCE IT WAS CALLED, THE STADIUM JUST ERUPTED. RED STREAMERS AND CONFETTI RAINED DOWN FROM NOWHERE. PEOPLE THREW THEIR PEANUTS, CRACKER JACKS, POPCORN, AND DRINKS INTO THE AIR. EVERYONE FELL ON EACH OTHER AGAIN. EVERYONE WAS HUGGING, HIGH-FIVING, SCREAMING, AND JUMPING UP AND DOWN. ALL THE FANS STAYED IN THEIR SEATS FOR ALMOST AN 45 MINUTES AFTER THE GAME, WATCHING THE PLAYERS OF THE MAGNIFICANT ANGEL TEAM HAVE THEIR CHAMPANGE PARTY IN THE CLUBHOUSE. THEN WE SAW THE PRESENTATION OF THE AMERICAN LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THE AWARDING OF THE TROPHEY TO MIKE SCIOSCIA WHO GAVE IT TO THE PLAYERS AS EACH TOOK VICTORY LAPS AROUND THE FIELD. THE CROWD JUST WENT WILD. EVEN AS WE STARTED TO LEAVE THE STADIUM PEOPLE WERE STILL GOING NUTS AND SCREAMING AND CHEERING. I KNOW I WAS TOO. WHEN WE GOT TO THE PARKING LOT, EVERYONE STAYED AROUND TO HAVE ANOTHER BARBAQUE. I GOT REALLY WRAPPED UP IN EVERYTHING AND STOOD ON THE ROOF OF THE CAR DANCING, SCREAMING, AND CHEERING WITH MY RALLY MONKEY. PEOPLE ALL DROVE BY BEEPING THEIR HORNS, SCREAMING, CHEERING, AND STANDING ON TOP OF THEIR CARS AS WELL. I HAD WAY TOO MUCH ENEERGY LAST NIGHT. I JUMPED OFF THE CAR AND RAN AROUND THE PARKING LOT SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS. EVERYONE THOUGHT I WAS DRUNK I'M SURE. BUT I WASN'T. ALL I HAD WAS A 7-UP AND SOME WATER. I JUST HAVE A WILD SIDE TO ME THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE GET TO SEE, LOL. I WAS JUST OVERCOMED BY THE ANGELS VICTORY. WE STAYED INT HE PARKING LOT AND PARTIED WELL INTO THE NIGHT, BUT THEN THE COPS DROVE IN AND SAID IT WAS TIME FOR EVERYONE TO PACK OUT AND LEAVE THE STADIUM. I GOT HOME THAT NIGHT WITH A BAD HEADACHE, A STOMACH ACHE, THE RINGING IN MY ERAS, BUT MOST OF ALL WAS MY THROAT. IT HURTS SO BAD AND I CANNOT TALK AT ALL. I LOST MY VOICE FROM SREAMING SO MUCH. BUT I HAD EVERY RIGHT TO JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER 44,000 FANS AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY WATCHING FROM THEIR TV'S. WHAT A NIGHT! WHAT A SEASON! WHAT A TEAM! GO ANGELS GO!! I PLAN TO CARRY MY RALLY MONKEY TO SCHOOL WITH ME AND WEAR MY RED ANGELS HAT ALL THIS WEEK TO SHOW EVERYONE JUST HOW AWESOME OUR ANGELS TEAM IS. THERE IS A LOT OF DODGER AND YANKEE FANS AT MY SCHOOL, SO I MAY GET BEAT UP. BUT THATS OKAY. THIS IS FOR THE ANGELS. AND IF I HAVE TO I IWLL GET ON THE SCIENCE BUILDING AT MY COLLEGE AND SCREAM AND CHEER THE ANGELS ON LIKE I DID ON THE ROOF OF THE CAR! LOL! ALL I CAN SAY NOW IS GOOD LUCK ANGELS...GOOD LUCK IN THE WORLD SERIES. WE KNEW YOU WOULD COME THIS FAR AND NEVER DOUBTED YOU FOR A MINUTE. WITH YOUR GREAT BULLPEN, YOUR FASNTASTIC PLAYERS, YOUR AWESOME MANAGER, AND YOUR HEROIC SPITITS, WE ALL KNEW IT WAS MEANT TO BE."}, {"response": 48, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Oct 14, 2002 (13:37)", "body": "Anaheim 13, Minnesota 5 AP Recap ANAHEIM, CALIFORNIA (TICKER) -- It's only appropriate that a team owned by The Walt Disney Co. reached the World Series in fairy tale fashion. Adam Kennedy tied a postseason record with three home runs, including a go-ahead three-run shot in a 10-run seventh inning, as the Anaheim Angels closed out the Minnesota Twins, 13-5, in Game Five of the American League Championship Series. After Minnesota rallied for three runs in the top of the seventh against rookie sensation Francisco Rodriguez (4-0) to take a 5-3 lead, the Angels blitzed the Twins' bullpen in the bottom of the inning. The most dramatic blow was Kennedy's blast just over the wall in right-center field off reliever Johan Santana (0-1). Kennedy, who had just seven homers during the season, hit solo shots in the third and fifth innings off starter Joe Mays but started the pivotal at-bat trying to sacrifice. Kennedy could not get down the bunt and fouled off two more pitches before Santana hung an 0-2 breaking ball that the third-year second baseman punished for a 6-5 lead. \"On the first pitch the bunt was on and I fouled it off,\" Kennedy said. \"I took a couple of bad swings on the first couple pitches after that. Then, Santana left one over the plate and I got it.\" \"In that situation, we were trying to get a bunt down,\" Angels manager Mike Scioscia said. \"Once he got a strike, we looked at the configuration, they were pitching for a bunt. We thought it was good to let Adam turn it loose and see if he can get a pitch to hit. A couple pitches later, he did.\" By the time Bob Wells finally struck out Alex Ochoa to end the seventh, the Angels had sent 15 men to the plate, set ALCS records for runs and hits (10) in an inning and touched off a celebration at Edison International Field. \"We couldn't stop them today,\" Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said. \"It just got down to that. They're on a roll. We threw everything we had at them. We took a lead and felt pretty good about it. Those guys just keep playing. And they keep swinging, and goodness gracious, I don't know I've ever seen an inning like that. We couldn't get anybody out.\" The party atmosphere came to a head when shortstop David Eckstein squeezed Tom Prince's popout to end the game. The Angels mobbed longtime closer Troy Percival near the mound and Anaheim fans, who had endured a 16-year drought since the team's last postseason appearance, cheered wildly. \"It's such a great achievement for these guys,\" Scioscia said. \"I know they're honored and they're having a good time now, but what an effort they gave. I congratulate them.\" \"I think it's a commitment of team spirit,\" Disney chairman Michael Eisner said. \"The team metephor is something I believe in. Usually it's a metaphor for the other teams, but in this case we've got a team that acts like a perfect team. \"If someone handed me a script and said you're going to start the season 6-14 and then you're going to score 10 runs in the seventh inning of the last game, I'd have said, 'No, no, no. Let's go back and make this more realistic. It's too Disneyesque.'\" Kennedy, who joined Bob Robertson of the Pittsburgh Pirates and George Brett of the Kansas City Royals as the only players to hit three homers in an LCS game, went 4-for-4 with five RBI and was named Most Valuable Player of the series. Kennedy was just 1-for-10 in the opening four games. \"I got a couple pitches to hit, and on some days you get those pitches, you miss them,\" he said. \"I had my swing working today and I didn't miss those pitches.\" The Angels will host Game One of the World Series on Saturday against the winner of the National League Championship Series. San Francisco has a two games to one lead over St. Louis in that series. \"We still have one more step to go, one more series left,\" Angels third baseman Troy Glaus said. \"We know where we want to go and we'll go from there.\" \"Everybody's been waiting to get to the World Series,\" Eckstein added. \"Now we have the opportunity. This team has come together and gelled and it shows out on the field in the way we came back today.\" The late-inning meltdown put a damper on an otherwise stellar season for the Twins, who overcame talk of contraction to easily win the AL Central Division. Minnesota stunned Oakland in the AL Division Series and took the opener of this series before dropping four straight games. \"It's a great story, we got to the postseason,\" Twins catcher A.J. Pierzynski said. \"We knew we could win this year, we had a great feeling going into the season and we won 93 games or whatever to get in the playoffs. We're proud of the way we played and we're not going to hang our heads.\" \"We can look back with pride on our season, we didn't make the World Series, but we go to the division playoffs and got to the ALCS,\" Twins center fielder Torii Hunter said. \"We're going to get older and smarter. I had a taste of it and I want to taste it again.\" The Twins appeared to be in good position to send the series"}, {"response": 49, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 14, 2002 (16:12)", "body": "Great news, Julie. Percival comes through again!"}, {"response": 50, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Oct 21, 2002 (13:32)", "body": "Oppps! Sorry guys. I guess I haven't been keeping everyone updated on whats going on with our Angels. Well, as you know the Anaheim Angels got to the World Series with the San Francisco Giants. Yeah...Southern California verses Northern California. The first game our excitment left us for a bit as Bonds hit his first home run in the game and followed by another one by Sanders. They won the first game on Saturday. But I knew the Angels were not going to win the first game. I know their routine. Ever since the playoffs started they lost the first game with the Yankees, when they were playing the Twins in the ALCS the lost the first game, and now the same thing for the Giants. Then after the day they do not win they win the rest of the days. They have to size up their prey so they can find their weaknesses. It svery effective really, and the Angels seem to be quite good at that. Bonds or no Bonds I know the Angels will take care of the Giants. Yesturday though I did get to go to the game with Michael. It was sweet! We saw so many celebs. I saw Kobe Bryant! Michael and I got to the game very early to watch batting practice. Well, the Angels were up to bat first so we waited in the stands near center field hoping to catch any fly balls. We waited for a while, but suddenly a ball heads right at me. I had enough time to jump up on my chair and bang my leg up inthe chair next to me as I jumped up. But another guy who was taller that was behind me jumped up too. He knocked the ball down in my asile. He jumped down and got on the floor with me and we fought over the ball for about 30 seconds, but he was more aggressive and got it in his glove first. I almost wanted to cry. I don't think I will ever be that close again! I even have a bruise on my leg. Whats the point of a battle wound like that if I didn't even get the ball! UGH!! Salmon's two home runs were excellent and so was K-Rod's pitches! What a game! The Angels batteled all the way to the finish. And even with Bonds home run near the end of the game couldn't lead the Giants to another victory. Angels All the Way! The final score was 11-10 Angels. Michael and I are going to hang out tomorrow and try to get tickets to Game 6 and 7. Some people don't know what its like to get tickets. You have to have extreme patience. We were on the computer for hours pressing F5 every few seconds. It was frustrating and when we got thru and got a ticket we were jumping up and down celebrating. I hope it will be like that again. Well, I'll try to keep everyone posted. Keep watching the game! GO ANGELS GO!!"}, {"response": 51, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 21, 2002 (19:30)", "body": "Darn Julie, what a meanie you were up against on that ball. I'm glad you had such a great time and got to rub shoulders with the celebs. I really hope you score those tickets and get some good seats for tomorrow nights games. You sure deserve it on loyalty alone."}, {"response": 52, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 22, 2002 (22:25)", "body": "What a fourth inning! The Angels batted around for the second time. I hope Julie made it to the game. That was quite a shot just then, the Angel batter lined it back to the pitcher and it hit him hard on his pitching arm. The Angels are red hot. Anaheim 8 SF 1 with 2 out in the 4th."}, {"response": 53, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 2002 (01:56)", "body": "Made it to the game? I wish! The thought kept crossing my mind. Michael and I were thinking about going up to San Francisco, but the drive was what made us change our minds. Plane tickets were too high on such short notice so we would of have to of drove there. A 10 hour drive on I-5 or HWY 101 with scenery of cows and windmills is called torture. I have done it and come back insane, so I didn't really feel like doing it again and neither did Michael. And besides, I got class. My professor even said to me when I walked into class today..\"Hey Julie, I am surprised you are here today. I thought you would either be in SF at the game or watching it at home.\" I love baseball and I love the Angels but I didn't want to miss class today cause we had final review for our midterm that will be next Tuesday so I had to go to class in other words. But gosh...what a great game. I heard it on the radio during my break. The Angels beat the Giants like never before tonight, even with another homerun by Bonds. The final score was 10-4 Angels. We are debeating wether or not there will even be a Game 6 and 7. If the Angels win tomorrow and Thursday then that will be it. They will have won the series. I was kinda hoping they would come back here to Anaheim though. It wouldn't be the same if they didn't win the World Title in their home stadium and not in another stadium with people booing and throwing things. But we will see what happens."}, {"response": 54, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Oct 23, 2002 (13:44)", "body": "I suddenly have become known as \"The Angels Fan\" at school. Everyone saw me on TV the 2 or 3 times when I was at the games. Students keep coming up to me to ask about the Angels and the score of the games. I am \"The Angel Scorekeeper.\" LOL. Professors keep pulling my aside too and showing me their Angel gear and telling me stories of how they have been fans since the Big Ed first opened. Maybe its because I am always wearing my red Angels hat and shirts every single day. LOL. Hey...its good luck! I wonder what I will do with myself when baseball season is over next week. I am certainly going to miss it. Well, I am going to watch the game with Michael tonight with some friends at his place. I hope they win tonight, especially since Lacky is pitching tonight and today is his 24th birthday. What a great present that will be if he helps the Angels win their 3rd game in the World Series! We shall see what happens. Good Luck Angels!"}, {"response": 55, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Thu, Oct 24, 2002 (01:28)", "body": "Maybe I was wearing a bad luck charm today. I got to figure out what it was before tomorrow night. I am speechless on tonight's game. Bonds didn't heven get a home run. Glaus did though and the stupid newscasters are pro Giants cause they didn't even mention that Glaus has now tied the postseason homerun record with Bonds. UGH! I am so depressed I don't even know what to say. At least I don't have to ditch class tomorrow though. If we had won tonight I would have ditched class cause I wouldn't want to miss them if they claimed the World Title. But I will have to wait a bit longer and see the outcome of this. You know...even if we do win the World Series our Angels will not get the respect they deserve. They would have to win it again to show everyone that it wasn't just luck."}, {"response": 56, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 26, 2002 (10:40)", "body": "Tonight's the night Julie, the Giants could win it all or the Angels could stay alive for a 7th and deciding game? Wonder who they'll put on the mound? I sure hope it goes to seven games, nothing beats the drama of a 7th World Series game."}, {"response": 57, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Oct 27, 2002 (05:33)", "body": "Hi Julie Baseball is not a game I watch infact it is not a well known game in England but reading your coments on the ANGELS I have been following there progress I watched yesterdays game on tv live this morning and I thought the Angles where down and out so about 3 o'clock in the morning I was on my way to bed and I am pleased to say I changed my mind what a come back the Angles made I was on the edge of my seat if that is BASEBALL I will watch it again. Joe England"}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 27, 2002 (10:05)", "body": "Great news!"}, {"response": 59, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (03:15)", "body": "I knew it all along. The little unknown town of Anaheim was finally heard tonight as our Angels took home the World Championship. Yup! They won the World Series. I need to get to bed right now. I am tried and I don't have a voice anymore, but I will share the rest of the moments ASAP. I was at Game 6 and Game 7 thanks to Michael and it was the greatest moment of my life. Although, I know no one could be happier than the Angels themselves and Gene Autry who has been guiding the Angels all along up in the big blue sky. Cowboy, where ever you are, this is for you!"}, {"response": 60, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (08:09)", "body": "Julie, did you see that catch by Erstad? Are you going to any post game rallies/celebrations? Who is your series MVP? I'm axiously awaiting your thoughts and observations, as I'm sure the other denizens of this conference are as well!"}, {"response": 61, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (08:25)", "body": "From espn.com: Garret Anderson, the stoic cleanup hitter for the Angels, smoked a double down the right-field line that drove in three runs for the Angels in the third inning, snapping a 1-1 tie and leading the Anaheim Angels to a 4-1 victory over San Francisco and the World Series title. Nobody would have guessed at the time that in this World Series of high-powered offense it would be the final runs of the game. When Anderson stepped in, the bases were loaded and Giants starter Livan Hernandez was wavering like a sunflower in the Kansas wind. http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2002/frozenmoment7.html We faced Hernandez the other night and we knew we had to be aggressive against him,\" said shortstop David Eckstein, who led off the inning with a liner to left field for a single that nearly skipped past Barry Bonds if he hadn't knocked it down with his bare hand. Erstad then ripped a low liner into left that Bonds bear-hugged on one hop. Tim Salmon, the Angel with the longest tenure on the club, worked the count to 2-2 and then saw a fastball sail inside and hit him on the hand. The bases were juiced with no outs. The Giants bullpen got busy. Anderson stepped in. He was the team's best hitter this year, but had struggled at times in the postseason -- at least compared to his red-hot teammates. He was hitting .276 in the Series, but with no extra-base hits and only three RBI. With men in scoring position, he had gone just 2-for-10, including a hard liner to center in the first inning that resulted in a double play when Eckstein was caught off second. While the Angels were hitting .326 as a team and slugging almost .500, Anderson couldn't buy a hit. Not that you could see the frustration on his face. With his calm, professional demeanor, Anderson resembles a bank president or college professor more than an All-Star left fielder. \"Garret Anderson is going through some tough times right now,\" Angels hitting coach Mickey Hatcher said before the game. \"But he's swinging good. He's hitting a lot of balls hard. He's not getting the hits. This guy's great under pressure. He gets the hit when you need them.\" Like Game 7 of the World Series? Anderson took an 88-mph fastball for a strike. He took two balls and then drilled the next offering on a hook down the line, ripped so hard right-field umpire Tim McClelland could probably hear it ring as it zipped past him. The ball bounded into the corner and the Angels were off and running. Right fielder Reggie Sanders chased after the ball, was swatted on the back by a moronic fan with a plastic red ThunderStix as he leaned down to pick it up and finally got a grip to relay the ball toward home plate. All three runners scored easily."}, {"response": 62, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (08:30)", "body": "No matter what, I will always remember this years World Series as Julies World Series and the Angels as Julies Angels."}, {"response": 63, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (11:18)", "body": "I watched the game live over here Soon as I went to bed it was time to get up I am blaming Julie for lose of sleep but it was worth it. I will be watching more Bseball in the future Thanks Julie. Joe England"}, {"response": 64, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (21:25)", "body": "LOL! I don't know if I have time to describe everything right now. I have a huge midterm in my physical geography class is less than 24 hours and obviously you all know very well how distracting the games have been for me, so I am craming for this exam in less than 48 hours. Don't worry...I have an A in the class. I will do fine. Anyway...about the game...to answer some of your questions terry...Yes, I saw Erstad make that last catch. We were all standing up in our seats that last inning cheering and screaming loudly. We knew No Mercy Percy would put the Giants away easily and quietly. Talk about great defense. The Angels played a game last night like it was their last and in some respects it was their last...for the season anyway. The runs scored happened early in the game. Thanks to John Lacky, Brendan Donnelly, Francisco Rodriguiz (K-ROD), and Troy Percival (No Mercy Percy), these outstanding pitchers held our 4 run lead for the rest of the game. Erstad masde some outstanding saves, especially in the 5th inning when Giants David Bell hit out towards left field. The fans went crazy when Salmon got hit by a pitch on his hand. It looked pretty bad because he knelt over like he was in pain, but he toughed it out and took his walk to first base. Eckstein also known as the \"X-Factor,\" or to other teams \"the little pest,\" showed his agression and how tough he was even though he is only 5'6. Troy Glaus...wow....what do I saw about Glaus. Well firstly, he was voted MVP for 2002. I kinda figured that he would get it. He has hit 7 home runs in the post season and 30 during regular games. His batting average for the post season was .339. Glaus definatly deserved it. He helped the Angels make many victories in regualr games and the post season. I guess I will brag about the other players later. Let me tell you how Michael and I got tickets though cause that was interesting. On Friday afternoon, I went online. Michael was also online too. We chatted on IM for a bit. He was trying for tickets again on ticketmaster.com. I decided to give it a try too. So we spent about an hour pressing F5, when suddenly Michael screams out he's got tickets. I did too! Ticketmaster.com stopped selling tickets after about 3 minutes after we got ours. Talk about a tight window!! So thats how we got tickets for game 6. Game 7 though was a surprise. Michael didn't tell me until after we were driving out of the stadium after Game 6. I totally freaked out. I knew I was going to the greatest game of my life. Again during batting practice I almost caught a fly ball again. I seem to get closer every time. Maybe some day I will catch one. We watched when the Giants had their batting practice. Junk Bonds...I mean Barry Bonds hit some massive home runs further then I have ever seen anyone every hit. Thank God they were only practicing. For Game 7, Michael got seats for us in the 4th row near left field right next to the bull pens. They were pretty good seats actually. We got a back view of Bonds and got to see his big attitude as it reflected during the game. We saw K-ROD and No Mercy Percy practice in the bull pen. When Erstad made that last catch, everyone went wild. Fireworks rained down from every which way. Streamers, confetti, poopers, silly string, champange, peanuts, cracker jacks, all kinds of junk rained down all over us. We all screamed and went crazy. I actually started crying cause I was so happy. No one knows what the Anaheim Angels have been through and how long they have waited for 41 years and bad things looked..except the fans. We all know very well. Some of the sweetest moments was when the news people interviewed Jackie Autry, Gene Autry's widow. We saw it on the big screen in the stadium. She said how the Cowboy would be so proud. I wish he had been there to see the Angels win, but I am sure he has been watching and smiling down on the Angels the whole time. Gene Autry #26, was the original owner of the Anaheim Angels. He has been a part of the Angels and the fans for many many years. Gene bought the Angels in 1961. His dream was for the team to win a world championship. Sadly though, he passed away in 1998, but his memory and legacy live on. He appears singing with his cowboy hat in every game. Some other sweet moments was when the players took victory laps around the field with the World Championship Trophy. That also made tears weld up. I was speechless last night. Okay..I don't mean that. I was screaming and cheering so much that I lost my voice again. What I mean is I didn't have towards to express how I felt. The moment was just so intense, so amazing, that I didn't know what to say. But now I think I do.. All my life I have grown up with the Anaheim Angels. I don\ufffdt know any other team the way I do the Angels. The Angels have this spark in them that not many other teams seem to have. It\ufffds a spark I see almost every game they play. They always go through every game with the same outstanding heroic attitude. That fight to th"}, {"response": 65, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (22:06)", "body": "One does have to feel a little pity for the broadcasters (not) they were so blatently bias toward the Giants. Poor guys, and then their dear baby Barry Bonds did't get the MVP though he had their vote. I did feel sorry for Dusty's little boy. He was crying when his dad carried him out. LOL the night before when the runner (can't remember who) grabbed him as he crossed home plate and swung him out of the way of the next runner. I would like to see at least one sporting event like the world series or the super bown where the sportcasters are unbiased in their reporting in my lifetiem. I got so sick of hearing nothing but Barry Bonds through the entire series."}, {"response": 66, "author": "alyeska", "date": "Mon, Oct 28, 2002 (22:07)", "body": "Arrrrgh didn't proofread."}, {"response": 67, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (09:09)", "body": "Where did this unity come from? How did the Angels coalesce in this one bright October to become so relentless, so disciplined, so positive? The answer lies up the interstate system in Chavez Ravine, where the managers of both World Series teams learned their trade. Dusty Baker of the Giants became a baseball man with the Dodgers. So did Mike Scioscia of the Angels. By now, everybody knows they were teammates on the 1981 Dodger championship team. This was still in the early years of free agency, when the Dodgers were still an organization that knew how to teach \"the Dodger way.\" When they arrived from the minor leagues, Dodgers played by the same thick book \ufffd a chain of consistency from Branch Rickey to Buzzie Bavasi to Al Campanis to Fred Claire. learn more at http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/29/sports/baseball/29VECS.html?ex=1036558800&en=690a5037e84e1130&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE"}, {"response": 68, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Tue, Oct 29, 2002 (23:51)", "body": "I was at the parade and celebrations today. It was awesome. Tears started welding up again. Disneyland wanted just MVP Troy Glaus to parade in the celebration but he refused unless his whole team came with him. That is so like the Angels. Always working together and never leaving anyone out. There is not one super star on this team. Yeah...people have their favorites, but when you look at all that each has accomplished it all blends in and you realize just why this super, powerful, young, heroic team won the World Championship."}, {"response": 69, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Wed, Oct 30, 2002 (14:09)", "body": "I would love to get season tickets for next season, but boy are they expensive! They run anywhere from $500-$2,000! I would have to make a $100 deposit now and then in December I would get to pick my seats and pay the rest. Oh well. Maybe I will just get the crappy $10-$30 seats during the season. I suppose any seats are good if your really want to be at the game. The expereince is breathtaking and memorable even if you have to look at the game through binoculars."}, {"response": 70, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Fri, Nov  8, 2002 (02:39)", "body": "Mike Scioscia was voted AL Manager of the Year for 2002. He deserved it. He helped lead the Anaheim Angels to their first World Championship!"}, {"response": 71, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Fri, Nov  8, 2002 (02:41)", "body": "Take a look at these great photos! This was the parade the Tuesday folling the Game 7 when the Angels won the World Series. http://www.goldstripe.com/angels.htm"}, {"response": 72, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Thu, Apr  3, 2003 (23:53)", "body": "Well I haven't posted here in a while. Baseball season as you know just began on March 30th. The Angels had their first round with Texas. Opening game, Texas beat our World Champion team, but on Tuesday and Wednesday our Angels killed Texas. I was at Tuesday's game with Michael. The Angels got 10 runs and the Rangers got 0. LOL! Then on Wednesday the Angels got 11 runs and the Rangers got 5. In that game Glaus, Erstad, and Fullmer all hit homeruns. Benji Monlena hit his 3rd double of the season. He is on fire and so is everyone else on our team. I can't wait to see what happens when they play Oakland tomorrow. It should be interesting cause the Angels have always had a hard time beating the A's. I'll keep you all posted."}, {"response": 73, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sun, Apr  6, 2003 (04:24)", "body": "Well so far Oakland is taking over. Friday the Angels lost 3-7 and today I could see them fighting back, but pitching and catching for the A's was almost too perfect sad to say. The Angels lost the second day in a row 2-4. Washburn did a great job pitching too, but during the 7th inning he got hit by his own pitch. Boy, thats gotta hurt! Maybe the Angels will beat the A's at their own game tomorrow. Game is at 5:00pm PST."}, {"response": 74, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sun, Apr  6, 2003 (04:26)", "body": "Here's the Angels official homepage...... http://anaheim.angels.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/ana/homepage/ana_homepage.jsp"}, {"response": 75, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Sun, Apr  6, 2003 (04:41)", "body": "I am so glad Brad Fullmer didn't get traded. He is a such a great player to have on the team. He already hit 2 homeruns this season. He is definatly a power hitter. As is Troy Glaus, David Eckstein, Darin Erstad, Tim Salmon, Troy Glaus, Scott Speizio, Adam Kennedy, Garrett Anderson, Benji Gil, and Benji Molena. Okay, thats about the entire batting order, lol. Some other guys to watch out for is some of the new players like Eric Owens. He is looking pretty good. Our pitchers are still the same great ones we had during the World Series...The famous Frankie Rodriquez (K-ROD), Troy Percival (No Mercy Percy), Kevin Appier, Jarrod Washburn, John Lacky, Scott Schoenweis, Scot Shields, Ben Weber, Brendan Donnelly, and Roman Ortiz. We do have one addition..Mickey Callaway who did a great job shutting out the Texas Rangers last week."}, {"response": 76, "author": "cascadeclimber", "date": "Mon, Apr  7, 2003 (04:27)", "body": "What a sad game. The Angels were so close taking the lead quite a few times in the game. But even Tim Salmon's awsome homerun int he 9th inning wasn't enough to keep the A's from another victory. The A's took the entire series, but its okay. The Angels will get them next time. They play the A's 20 times this season. The Angels play the Mariners on Tuesday in Seattle. Hopefully things will work out better for them cause I am sure they must be as frustrated as hell. And so am I. I couldn't even eat tonight as I was watchign the game. It was so depressing. And no don't think that I am saying they should win every single game, but I want them to at least win a few with the A's. That team is their biggest rival and the Angels hardly ever beat them."}, {"response": 77, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Apr  7, 2003 (08:29)", "body": "Where are they in the standings? What's their won lost record? sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 66, "subject": "NFL Draft", "response_count": 5, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Apr 25, 2003 (11:34)", "body": "Finally, there is Chris Simms. Some scouts think he can be a big-time sleeper. I\ufffdm not an NFL scout, so that may be why I don\ufffdt agree with them. His arm is good, not great, and for all the talent he had surrounding him in Texas (arguably the most talented offense in the land the past two years), he was never able to fully utilize his physical gifts. While he should be the last quarterback selected among the five, if some team decides it\ufffdll be a good idea to give him playing time early in his career, Simms NFL days will be short in number and painful in retrospect. It\ufffds not that he couldn\ufffdt beat Oklahoma \ufffd he didn\ufffdt even come close to that \ufffd he just couldn\ufffdt win the big game period (see 2001 Big 12 Championship; you\ufffdll find it in the college football encyclopedia under the entry \"choke job\"). I will concede one fact though \ufffd while I am trying to be objective with him, I was always a Major Applewhite fan. Oh, and for the record: Ken Dorsey will never be an NFL quarterback. Ever. http://www.collegiatetimes.com/index.php?ID=1417"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Apr 25, 2003 (11:37)", "body": "CHRIS SIMMS, Texas, 6-4, 220 -- Son of former NFL great Phil Simms came into college with plenty of hype and never quite lived up to illing. Completed 58.7 percent of passes for 7,097 yards, 58 TDs and 31 INTs during four-year career. Strengths: Smooth left-hander throws a nice, tight spiral. Especially accurate on hook routes and slant patterns. Good size and arm strength. Seems to be improving and will probably benefit from better coaching in NFL. Athletic and can move around. Sets up quickly. Will step up, take a hit and deliver ball in face of strong rush. Good character, team player. Was 25-6 as starter, although he was surrounded by loads of talent. Weaknesses: Often played very poorly in big games, namely against rival Oklahoma and in 2001 Big 12 title game against Colorado, when he was pulled for fan favorite Major Applewhite. Tendency to lock on one receiver, force ball into coverage and throw big INT. Struggles on long balls. Misses open receivers. Throws off back foot sometimes. Needs work on mechanics and long stride. Questions about his ability to perform under pressure. Prediction: Second round. A real dilemma: some scouts focus on his obvious skills, others remember the Oklahoma games. OTHERS TO WATCH: * Ken Dorsey, Miami, 6-4, 208, third-team All-American was 38-2 as starter and helped lead talent-laden Hurricanes to consecutive national title games. Lacks NFL arm strength and accuracy. Might not be picked until second day. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/04/23/sports1952EDT0456.DTL"}, {"response": 3, "author": "pmnh", "date": "Wed, Apr 30, 2003 (18:11)", "body": "i agree completely, on both observations one of the espn talking heads said that sims was the \"worst coached\" college QB in the country... where do you think that comes from? even given the east-coast arrogance and bias that is expected, this idea, expressed in those terms, could only have come from sims himself... screw him"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, May  1, 2003 (09:10)", "body": "I don't think Sims would have said that he was the \"worst coached\" player, from reports I've heard he's a pretty decent guy. I think his let downs in the big games and his tendency to \"lock in\" on receivers hurt him. He landed in a great spot."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr 24, 2005 (08:21)", "body": "the draft: 1 SF Alex Smith - QB/Utah 2 MIA Ronnie Brown - RB/Auburn 3 CLE Braylon Edwards - WR/Michigan 4 CHI Cedric Benson - RB/Texas 5 TB Carnell Williams - RB/Auburn 6 TEN Adam Jones - CB/West Virginia 7 MIN Troy Williamson - WR/South Carolina 8 AZ Antrel Rolle - CB/Miami Fla 9 WAS Carlos Rogers - CB/Auburn 10 DET Mike Williams - WR/USC 11 DAL Demarcus Ware - DE/Troy State 12 SD Shawne Merriman - LB/Maryland 13 NO Jammal Brown - OT/Oklahoma 14 CAR Thomas Davis - S/Georgia 15 KC Derrick Johnson - LB/Texas 16 HOU Travis Johnson - DT/Florida State 17 CIN David Pollack - DE/Georgia 18 MIN Erasmus James - DE/Wisconsin 19 STL Alex Barron - OT/Florida State 20 DAL Marcus Spears - DE/LSU 21 JAX Matt Jones - WR/Arkansas 22 BAL Mark Clayton - WR/Oklahoma 23 OAK Fabian Washington - CB/Nebraska 24 GB Aaron Rodgers - QB/California 25 WAS Jason Campbell - QB/Auburn 26 SEA Chris Spencer - C/Mississippi 27 ATL Roddy White - WR/UAB 28 SD Luis Castillo - DT/Northwestern 29 IND Marlin Jackson - CB/Michigan 30 PIT Heath Miller - TE/Virginia 31 PHL Mike Patterson - DT/USC 32 NE Logan Mankins - G/Fresno State 33 SF David Baas - C/Michigan 34 CLE Brodney Pool - S/Oklahoma 35 PHL Reggie Brown - WR/Georgia 36 TB Barrett Ruud - LB/Nebraska 37 DET Shaun Cody - DT/USC 38 OAK Stanford Routt - CB/Houston 39 CHI Mark Bradley - WR/Oklahoma 40 NO Josh Bullocks - S/Nebraska 41 TEN Michael Roos - OT/E Washington 42 DAL Kevin Burnett - LB/Tennessee 43 NYG Corey Webster - CB/LSU 44 AZ J J Arrington - RB/California 45 SEA Lofa Tatupu - LB/USC 46 MIA Matt Roth - DE/Iowa 47 NYJ Mike Nugent - K/Ohio State 48 CIN Odell Thurman - LB/Georgia at least so far, it goes on today for another few rounds. Cedric goes to da' Bears. and Derrick Johnson goes to KC. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 67, "subject": "football pool 2003", "response_count": 23, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Aug 26, 2003 (13:02)", "body": "This week's lines: Thursday, August 28 - College AKRON 11.0 kent state BRIGHAM YOUNG 3.5 georgia tech maryland 7.5 NO ILLINOIS miami fla 28.0 LOUISIANA TECH UTAH 20.0 utah state Friday, August 29 - College toledo 1.0 UNLV Saturday, August 30 - College ALABAMA 17.0 south florida ala birmingham 9.5 BAYLOR ARIZONA 21.5 texas el paso AUBURN 4.0 usc BOSTON COLLEGE 12.0 wake forest CALIFORNIA 3.0 so mississippi COLORADO STATE 1.5 colorado CONNECTICUT 6.0 indiana FLORIDA 24.0 san jose state florida state 16.0 NORTH CAROLINA georgia 2.5 CLEMSON HOUSTON 5.5 rice IOWA 11.0 miami ohio KANSAS STATE 37.0 troy state LOUISIANA STATE 35.5 la monroe MICHIGAN 33.5 c michigan MICHIGAN STATE 13.5 w michigan MINNESOTA 30.5 tulsa mississippi 13.0 VANDERBILT missouri 3.5 ILLINOIS NEBRASKA 7.5 oklahoma state northwestern 6.0 KANSAS OHIO STATE 8.5 washington OKLAHOMA 33.5 north texas oregon 4.5 MISSISSIPPI ST PENN STATE 24.5 temple RUTGERS 11.5 buffalo SOUTH CAROLINA 24.0 la lafayette TENNESSEE 20.5 fresno state TEXAS A&M 29.0 arkansas state TEXAS TECH 24.5 so methodist VIRGINIA 16.0 duke WASHINGTON STATE 28.5 idaho wisconsin 3.0 WEST VIRGINIA Sunday, August 31 - College KENTUCKY 5.5 louisville TEXAS 29.0 new mexico st VIRGINIA TECH 19.0 central florida Monday, September 1 - College CINCINNATI 8.5 east carolina texas christian 6.5 TULANE Home team in CAPS"}, {"response": 2, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Aug 26, 2003 (18:36)", "body": "3000 new mexico st Joe"}, {"response": 3, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Thu, Aug 28, 2003 (11:24)", "body": ""}, {"response": 4, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Thu, Aug 28, 2003 (14:31)", "body": "Hmmmm, I need to put some thought into this...... legaffe"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug 29, 2003 (00:22)", "body": "Tonight's results: Winner Loser spread score BRIGHAM YOUNG georgia tech - 3.5 24-13 kent state AKRON +11.0 41-38 miami fla LOUISIANA TECH -28.0 48- 9 NO ILLINOIS maryland + 7.5 20-13 UTAH utah state -20.0 40-20 PUSH Not that anyone wagered on these games! Are we evolving in to one horse betting pool? I can just post the UT game if y'all want. hey!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug 30, 2003 (07:19)", "body": "1000 Illinois - go Fighting Illini"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug 30, 2003 (14:16)", "body": "7500 George 7500 Joe 6500 Paul"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 31, 2003 (09:43)", "body": "Friday's college result: Winner Loser spread score UNLV toledo + 1.0 28-18 Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score ALABAMA south florida -17.0 40-17 ARIZONA texas el paso -21.5 42- 7 arkansas state TEXAS A&M +29.0 11-26 BAYLOR ala birmingham + 9.5 19-24 CALIFORNIA so mississippi - 3.0 34- 2 COLORADO colorado state + 1.5 42-35 CONNECTICUT indiana - 6.0 34-10 FLORIDA san jose state -24.0 65- 3 florida state NORTH CAROLINA -16.0 37- 0 fresno state TENNESSEE +20.5 6-24 georgia CLEMSON - 2.5 30- 0 HOUSTON rice - 5.5 48-14 idaho WASHINGTON STATE +28.5 0-25 IOWA miami ohio -11.0 21- 3 la lafayette SOUTH CAROLINA +24.0 7-14 LOUISIANA STATE la monroe -35.5 49- 7 MICHIGAN c michigan -33.5 45- 7 MINNESOTA tulsa -30.5 49-10 MISSOURI illinois - 3.5 22-15 NEBRASKA oklahoma state - 7.5 17- 7 northwestern KANSAS - 6.0 28-20 OHIO STATE washington - 8.5 28- 9 OKLAHOMA north texas -33.5 37- 3 oregon MISSISSIPPI ST - 4.5 42-34 RUTGERS buffalo -11.5 24-10 temple PENN STATE +24.5 10-23 TEXAS TECH so methodist -24.5 58-10 troy state KANSAS STATE +37.0 5-41 UNLV toledo + 1.0 28-18 usc AUBURN + 4.0 23- 0 VANDERBILT mississippi +13.0 21-24 VIRGINIA duke -16.0 27- 0 w michigan MICHIGAN STATE +13.5 21-26 wake forest BOSTON COLLEGE +12.0 32-28 wisconsin WEST VIRGINIA - 3.0 24-17"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 31, 2003 (14:46)", "body": "1500 Texas"}, {"response": 10, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sun, Aug 31, 2003 (16:58)", "body": "I am taking New Mexico State and the 29 points. legaffe"}, {"response": 11, "author": "legaffe", "date": "Sun, Aug 31, 2003 (17:01)", "body": "Correction.... I am taking New Mexico State & the 29 points & putting down $7,500. lwgaffe."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 31, 2003 (21:44)", "body": "8000 Terry 4500 Joe 0 George Condolences to George and his meteoric crash. Semi-condolences to Joe, who lost a big chunk of his stake. The Illini couldn't do it for me, so the Horns did. What a game! The backup quarterback look like the best player in the nation, a 50 yard TD pass and two sensational runs. He was running on Super fuel in his first game. Vincent Young, remember the name. I think you haven't heard the last about this guy."}, {"response": 13, "author": "aa9il", "date": "Mon, Sep  1, 2003 (00:00)", "body": "Howdy George Keep yer powder dry and always watch the skies. 73 de AA9IL Mike"}, {"response": 14, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  4, 2003 (20:26)", "body": "results: Winner Loser spread score BRIGHAM YOUNG georgia tech - 3.5 24-13 kent state AKRON +11.0 41-38 miami fla LOUISIANA TECH -28.0 48- 9 NO ILLINOIS maryland + 7.5 20-13 UTAH utah state -20.0 40-20 PUSH Friday's college result: Winner Loser spread score UNLV toledo + 1.0 28-18 Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score ALABAMA south florida -17.0 40-17 ARIZONA texas el paso -21.5 42- 7 arkansas state TEXAS A&M +29.0 11-26 BAYLOR ala birmingham + 9.5 19-24 CALIFORNIA so mississippi - 3.0 34- 2 COLORADO colorado state + 1.5 42-35 CONNECTICUT indiana - 6.0 34-10 FLORIDA san jose state -24.0 65- 3 florida state NORTH CAROLINA -16.0 37- 0 fresno state TENNESSEE +20.5 6-24 georgia CLEMSON - 2.5 30- 0 HOUSTON rice - 5.5 48-14 idaho WASHINGTON STATE +28.5 0-25 IOWA miami ohio -11.0 21- 3 la lafayette SOUTH CAROLINA +24.0 7-14 LOUISIANA STATE la monroe -35.5 49- 7 MICHIGAN c michigan -33.5 45- 7 MINNESOTA tulsa -30.5 49-10 MISSOURI illinois - 3.5 22-15 NEBRASKA oklahoma state - 7.5 17- 7 northwestern KANSAS - 6.0 28-20 OHIO STATE washington - 8.5 28- 9 OKLAHOMA north texas -33.5 37- 3 oregon MISSISSIPPI ST - 4.5 42-34 RUTGERS buffalo -11.5 24-10 temple PENN STATE +24.5 10-23 TEXAS TECH so methodist -24.5 58-10 troy state KANSAS STATE +37.0 5-41 UNLV toledo + 1.0 28-18 usc AUBURN + 4.0 23- 0 VANDERBILT mississippi +13.0 21-24 VIRGINIA duke -16.0 27- 0 w michigan MICHIGAN STATE +13.5 21-26 wake forest BOSTON COLLEGE +12.0 32-28 wisconsin WEST VIRGINIA - 3.0 24-17 Sunday's college results: Winner Loser spread score louisville KENTUCKY + 5.5 40-24 TEXAS new mexico st -29.0 66- 7 VIRGINIA TECH central florida -19.0 49-28 Monday's college results: Winner Loser spread score CINCINNATI east carolina - 8.5 40- 3 TULANE texas christian + 6.5 35-38"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  4, 2003 (20:26)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, September 4 - College so mississippi 2.5 ALA BIRMINGHAM Friday, September 5 - College oregon state 8.5 FRESNO STATE Saturday, September 6 - College air force 7.5 NORTHWESTERN ARKANSAS 38.0 tulsa auburn 8.0 GEORGIA TECH CALIFORNIA 2.5 colorado state COLORADO 3.0 ucla connecticut 15.5 ARMY FLORIDA STATE 14.5 maryland GEORGIA 29.5 mid tennessee st IOWA 36.5 buffalo IOWA STATE 18.5 ohio louisiana state 12.0 ARIZONA louisiana tech 4.5 LA LAFAYETTE MIAMI FLA 14.5 florida MICHIGAN 27.5 houston MICHIGAN STATE 19.0 rutgers MINNESOTA 24.5 troy state mississippi 8.0 MEMPHIS missouri 14.0 BALL STATE NEBRASKA 32.0 utah state no carolina st 8.0 WAKE FOREST NORTH TEXAS 14.5 baylor NOTRE DAME 6.0 washington state OHIO STATE 32.0 san diego state oklahoma 7.5 ALABAMA OKLAHOMA STATE 20.0 wyoming OREGON 22.0 nevada PENN STATE 10.0 boston college PITTSBURGH 29.0 kent state PURDUE 10.5 bowling green STANFORD 14.0 san jose state syracuse 2.0 NORTH CAROLINA TENNESSEE 19.0 marshall TEXAS A&M 9.0 utah TEXAS CHRISTIAN 24.0 navy TEXAS TECH 13.0 new mexico unlv 11.5 KANSAS USC 22.0 brigham young virginia 3.0 SOUTH CAROLINA WASHINGTON 24.5 indiana WISCONSIN 25.5 akron Home team in CAPS This week's NFL lines: Thursday, September 4 - NFL REDSKINS 3.0 jets Sunday, September 7 - NFL broncos 6.0 BENGALS BROWNS 1.0 colts CHIEFS 5.5 chargers COWBOYS 2.0 falcons DOLPHINS 14.0 texas LIONS 4.0 cardinals NINERS 7.0 bears PACKERS 5.5 vikings PANTHERS 4.0 jaguars patriots pick BILLS rams pick GIANTS SEAHAWKS 3.0 saints STEELERS 5.0 ravens TITANS 3.0 raiders Monday, September 8 - NFL EAGLES 3.0 buccaneers"}, {"response": 16, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Sep  5, 2003 (06:45)", "body": "3000 REDSKINS JOE"}, {"response": 17, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Sep  5, 2003 (06:49)", "body": "CANCIL 3000 REDSKINS 4500 EAGLES JOE"}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  5, 2003 (12:15)", "body": "I think the Longhorns have the week off."}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  8, 2003 (00:37)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score akron WISCONSIN +25.5 31-48 ALABAMA oklahoma + 7.5 13-20 boston college PENN STATE +10.0 27-14 bowling green PURDUE +10.5 27-26 brigham young USC +22.0 18-35 colorado state CALIFORNIA + 2.5 23-21 connecticut ARMY -15.5 48-21 florida MIAMI FLA +14.5 33-38 FLORIDA STATE maryland -14.5 35-10 GEORGIA TECH auburn + 8.0 17- 3 IOWA buffalo -36.5 56- 7 IOWA STATE ohio -18.5 48-20 KANSAS unlv +11.5 46-24 louisiana state ARIZONA -12.0 59-13 louisiana tech LA LAFAYETTE - 4.5 34- 3 marshall TENNESSEE +19.0 24-34 MEMPHIS mississippi + 8.0 44-34 MICHIGAN houston -27.5 50- 3 mid tennessee st GEORGIA +29.5 10-29 MINNESOTA troy state -24.5 48- 7 missouri BALL STATE -14.0 35- 7 navy TEXAS CHRISTIAN +24.0 3-17 nevada OREGON +22.0 23-31 NORTH CAROLINA syracuse + 2.0 47-49 PUSH NORTH TEXAS baylor -14.5 52-14 NORTHWESTERN air force + 7.5 21-22 OKLAHOMA STATE wyoming -20.0 48-24 PITTSBURGH kent state -29.0 43- 3 rutgers MICHIGAN STATE +19.0 28-44 san diego state OHIO STATE +32.0 13-16 SOUTH CAROLINA virginia + 3.0 37- 7 STANFORD san jose state -14.0 31-10 TEXAS TECH new mexico -13.0 42-28 tulsa ARKANSAS +38.0 13-45 ucla COLORADO + 3.0 14-16 utah TEXAS A&M + 9.0 26-28 utah state NEBRASKA +32.0 7-31 WAKE FOREST no carolina st + 8.0 38-24 WASHINGTON indiana -24.5 38-13 washington state NOTRE DAME + 6.0 26-29 Home team is in CAPS Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BILLS patriots + 0.0 31- 0 broncos BENGALS - 6.0 30-10 CHIEFS chargers - 5.5 27-14 colts BROWNS + 1.0 9- 6 falcons COWBOYS + 2.0 27-13 GIANTS rams + 0.0 23-13 jaguars PANTHERS + 4.0 23-24 LIONS cardinals - 4.0 42-24 NINERS bears - 7.0 49- 7 SEAHAWKS saints - 3.0 27-10 STEELERS ravens - 5.0 34-15 texans DOLPHINS +14.0 21-20 TITANS raiders - 3.0 25-20 vikings PACKERS + 5.5 30-25 Wow, the Texans did well."}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep  9, 2003 (10:29)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, September 11 - College UTAH 1.5 california Friday, September 12 - College MARSHALL NL toledo Saturday, September 13 - College AIR FORCE 8.0 north texas AKRON 20.0 e michigan ALABAMA 14.0 kentucky ALA BIRMINGHAM 11.0 troy state ARIZONA STATE 25.5 utah state auburn 12.0 VANDERBILT BAYLOR 2.0 so methodist boise state 20.5 IDAHO boston college 4.5 CONNECTICUT brigham young 3.0 NEW MEXICO CLEMSON 14.0 mid tennessee st COLORADO 5.0 washington state DUKE 10.0 rice FLORIDA STATE 24.0 georgia tech GEORGIA 14.0 south carolina houston 7.0 LA LAFAYETTE iowa 4.0 IOWA STATE MIAMI FLA 40.5 east carolina miami ohio 3.5 NORTHWESTERN MICHIGAN 10.5 notre dame MICHIGAN STATE 11.5 louisiana tech minnesota 20.0 OHIO MISSISSIPPI 28.0 la monroe mississippi st 3.0 TULANE NEBRASKA 9.5 penn state OKLAHOMA 29.0 fresno state oregon 11.5 ARIZONA OREGON STATE 21.5 new mexico st PITTSBURGH 31.0 ball state rutgers 6.5 ARMY san diego state 19.0 TEXAS EL PASO SO MISSISSIPPI 5.5 memphis SYRACUSE 3.0 louisville TEXAS 13.0 arkansas UCLA 10.5 illinois USC 21.0 hawaii virginia 8.0 W MICHIGAN WAKE FOREST 1.0 purdue WEST VIRGINIA 7.0 cincinnati WISCONSIN 19.5 unlv WYOMING 4.5 kansas OHIO STATE NL no carolina st Topic 1225 [sports]: WELL VFP XI - 11th annual virtual football pool! #170 of 170: Everybody in the pool! (mrw) Tue Sep 9 '03 (07:27) 21 lines This week's NFL lines: Sunday, September 14 - NFL bills 2.5 JAGUARS broncos 3.0 CHARGERS BUCCANEERS NL panthers CHIEFS 3.5 steelers COLTS 2.0 titans dolphins 3.0 JETS EAGLES NL patriots FALCONS 3.0 redskins RAMS 3.0 niners PACKERS 6.5 lions RAIDERS 12.0 bengals RAVENS 2.5 browns SAINTS 9.0 texans seahawks 4.5 CARDINALS VIKINGS 8.5 bears Monday, September 15 - NFL GIANTS 7.5 cowboys"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Sep 16, 2003 (10:34)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, September 18 - College nevada 1.5 SAN JOSE STATE VIRGINIA TECH 14.5 texas a&m Friday, September 19 - College hawaii pick UNLV Saturday, September 20 - College AIR FORCE 20.0 wyoming ALABAMA 13.5 no illinois ARKANSAS 21.0 north texas arkansas state 3.5 TULSA BRIGHAM YOUNG 7.0 stanford CINCINNATI 14.0 temple COLORADO STATE 6.5 miami ohio connecticut 24.0 BUFFALO FLORIDA 3.0 tennessee FRESNO STATE 10.0 louisiana tech GEORGIA TECH 4.0 clemson ILLINOIS 4.0 california IOWA 9.0 arizona state kentucky 9.0 INDIANA LOUISIANA STATE 1.5 georgia LOUISVILLE 37.5 texas el paso MARYLAND 9.0 west virginia miami fla 12.5 BOSTON COLLEGE michigan 7.5 OREGON MINNESOTA 34.0 la lafayette MISSOURI 20.5 mid tennessee st NAVY 12.5 e michigan NO CAROLINA ST 6.5 texas tech OKLAHOMA 18.5 ucla oklahoma state 24.0 SO METHODIST OREGON STATE 7.0 boise state PENN STATE 24.5 kent state pittsburgh 10.0 TOLEDO PURDUE 25.0 arizona SOUTH CAROLINA 14.0 ala birmingham SYRACUSE 4.0 central florida texas 30.0 RICE TEXAS CHRISTIAN 12.5 vanderbilt tulane 16.5 ARMY WAKE FOREST 19.0 east carolina WASHINGTON 26.5 idaho WASHINGTON STATE 16.5 new mexico DUKE NL northwestern FLORIDA STATE NL colorado KANSAS STATE NL marshall NOTRE DAME NL michigan state WISCONSIN NL north carolina This week's NFL lines: Sunday, September 21 - NFL buccaneers 4.0 FALCONS chiefs 8.0 TEXANS COLTS 7.5 jaguars DOLPHINS 3.0 bills NINERS 7.0 browns packers 7.5 CARDINALS PATRIOTS 6.5 jets ravens 1.0 CHARGERS SEAHAWKS 3.0 rams steelers 4.5 BENGALS vikings 3.5 LIONS REDSKINS NL giants TITANS NL saints Monday, September 22 - NFL BRONCOS NL raiders"}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 21, 2003 (22:48)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score browns NINERS + 7.0 13-12 buccaneers FALCONS - 4.0 31-10 CARDINALS packers + 7.5 20-13 chiefs TEXANS - 8.0 42-14 COLTS jaguars - 7.5 23-13 DOLPHINS bills - 3.0 17- 7 giants REDSKINS + 2.5 24-21 PATRIOTS jets - 6.5 23-16 rams SEAHAWKS + 3.0 23-24 ravens CHARGERS - 1.0 24-10 steelers BENGALS - 4.5 17-10 TITANS saints - 4.5 27-12 vikings LIONS - 3.5 23-13 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 24, 2003 (02:14)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, September 25 - College nebraska 8.5 SO MISSISSIPPI Saturday, September 27 - College akron 16.5 BUFFALO arkansas pick ALABAMA BOISE STATE 24.0 wyoming BOSTON COLLEGE 21.0 ball state BRIGHAM YOUNG 2.0 air force COLORADO STATE 6.5 utah florida 9.0 KENTUCKY florida state 30.0 DUKE georgia tech 7.0 VANDERBILT HAWAII 21.0 rice iowa 6.5 MICHIGAN STATE louisiana state 13.0 MISSISSIPPI ST LOUISVILLE 14.0 temple marshall 13.5 TROY STATE maryland 35.0 E MICHIGAN MEMPHIS 17.0 arkansas state MIAMI OHIO 7.0 cincinnati MICHIGAN 35.0 indiana minnesota 3.0 PENN STATE MISSISSIPPI 1.5 texas tech missouri 10.5 KANSAS NEVADA 19.0 so methodist NEW MEXICO 11.0 new mexico st NO CAROLINA ST 18.5 north carolina NORTH TEXAS 18.0 la lafayette NO ILLINOIS 6.5 iowa state OREGON 4.5 washington state OREGON STATE 6.0 arizona state pittsburgh 1.0 TEXAS A&M PURDUE 9.5 notre dame RUTGERS 2.0 navy south florida 18.0 ARMY SYRACUSE 3.5 toledo TENNESSEE 16.0 south carolina TEXAS 29.5 tulane texas christian 15.5 ARIZONA UCLA 11.5 san diego state usc 13.0 CALIFORNIA UTAH STATE 14.0 la monroe VIRGINIA TECH 23.0 connecticut WASHINGTON 13.5 stanford w michigan 2.0 OHIO wisconsin 2.0 ILLINOIS KENT STATE NL central florida OHIO STATE NL northwestern VIRGINIA NL wake forest This week's NFL lines: Sunday, September 28 - NFL BILLS 3.0 eagles BRONCOS 13.0 lions BROWNS 5.5 bengals chiefs 3.0 RAVENS colts 2.0 SAINTS jaguars 3.0 TEXANS JETS 3.0 cowboys PANTHERS 6.0 falcons RAIDERS 7.0 chargers RAMS 10.5 cardinals REDSKINS 2.5 patriots STEELERS 3.0 titans VIKINGS NL niners Monday, September 29 - NFL packers 4.0 BEARS sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 68, "subject": "It's the shoes", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct  5, 2003 (09:39)", "body": "I finally found a pair of Nikes that fit after years of looking and trying on pair after pair. They're blue white with a clear nylon webbing on top. Kind of look like pool shoes. Extraordinarily comfortable. There's a clear plastic 3 dimensional \"P\" embedded in the tongue of the shoes. (they were on a special and didn't come in a box)."}, {"response": 2, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (22:12)", "body": "And those shoes are worn out now. I'm clinging to them. I had a great 3 year run with them."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr  2, 2006 (11:19)", "body": "Best pair of shoes I ever had. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 69, "subject": "Spring 2004 Hardware Fundraiser", "response_count": 8, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  1, 2003 (14:49)", "body": "Our main page to go to help out is http://spring.net/contribute"}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 29, 2003 (14:55)", "body": "OK, I'll do it!!! What is new? I had to get in frojm Google. Have things changed or has my PC been more messed up than usual?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Nov 29, 2003 (18:08)", "body": "I know what the problem was. I still had this computer configured for LAN. I had to reset lots of programs for access. *sigh*"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 30, 2003 (20:59)", "body": "Whew! Glad you're back with us! You're the woman!"}, {"response": 5, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Dec 22, 2003 (17:29)", "body": "Donation sent. Merry Christmas fronm Geo!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec 24, 2003 (09:23)", "body": "Thank you so much Marci! Merry Christmas!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Mar 26, 2004 (12:31)", "body": "This message is primarily to Geo and the rest of the Spring, I acknowledge the generous contributions made by Drooleurs during the Fall Pledge Drive. We recently had a call from our \"colo\" or colocation facility that we needed to replace a motherboard. It turned out we did not need a motherboard after further checks. Had it been a motherboard, the Spring would have been down for 3-4 days. So, we're having a fund raiser to raise the money to keep a spare motherboard on hand to reduce our downtime in case of a motherboard failure to hours instead of days. We also had one of the six hard drives in Spring crash and it needs replacing as this drive is our backup safety net and we're limping along without it now. Here is what we need to be able to come back online quickly in case of a real failure of the motherboard, a cpu or memory module. And the cost of the replacement hard drive. 405.00 P3TDDE Supermicro Motherboard 109.00 512k memory module 95.00 IBM Hard Drive 120 mb 609.00 total Please send paypal contributions to bank@spring.net Or mail your checks / money orders to The Spring 182 Clover Rd Cedar Creek, TX 78612 With your help, I can build an effective safety net to protect our server against hardware failure. We had our wake up call, now it's time to really prepare!"}, {"response": 8, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (22:13)", "body": "Need funds again to fund the new server. Just pay banking@wholetech.com ... my new paypal account. Thanks!!! sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 7, "subject": "Lady Horns - UT Women's basketball", "response_count": 4, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug  5, 1996 (09:22)", "body": "The recent Olympics have really given Women's basketball a major boost, I would expect to see many of UT's past greats show up on the newly forming Women's Pro basketball league. My alltime favoite UT Lady Runnin' Horns: Lyssa McBride, the 3 point shooter from a few years ago and Andrea Lloyd, who I believe is playing in Italy now. The team showed a lot of promise last year, I'm not yet up on what they are looking like this season."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (22:24)", "body": "Another summitt meeting is coming up. The women's basketball programs at UT and UT have been mirror images for the last 20 or so years. Both wear orange, UT Austin's is burnt. The two teams have played 17 times since 1982 in the regular season and they meet again this Saturday at the Erwin Center in Austin. I plan on being there. I plan on carefully watching how each of these coaches steers it's team. Texas is ranked 16th (4-0) and Tennessee (7-2) is ranked 5th nationally. So Jody is going to *have* to outcoach Pat Summitt to win this game or even come close. Career wins: 675 Jody Conradt Texas 596 Pat Summitt Tenneessee 578 Bob Spencer Fresno State 533 Vivian Stringer Rutgers 522 Sue Gunter LSU 508 Kay Yow NC State 495 Marynell Meadows FL State 474 Theresa Grentz Illinois 465 Rene Portland Penn State 457 Sylvia Hatchell NC Texas has a 7-10 record against Tennessee. The Showdown: Saturday December 28th at the Irwin Center. Tennessee played Stanford today, anyone know the outcome?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec 24, 1996 (17:18)", "body": "I went to the Lady Horns game against Tenneessee. The whole game was gripping. The Horns just kept climbing back in again and again. They hustled, scratched, scraped, clawed and fought the whole game against a physical Tennessee team. Jody's substitution patterns were brilliant. And it all boiled down to a missed shot by Angela Jackson in the final seconds (not to take anything away from Angela, who kept them in the game on numerous occasions). They came sooooooo close."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Feb  2, 2005 (08:04)", "body": "Like her teammates, senior Kala Bowers will likely hear boos from the Sooner crowd as Texas (10-6, 3-2) travels to Norman for the first meeting with Oklahoma (11-5, 3-2) tonight. In addition to some horns-down gestures, Bowers will have a few pointed fans yell in her direction. That's fine by her - she'll also have her own cheering section amid the crimson and cream. \"They definitely hate Texas - sometimes I'll hear someone yell 'traitor' or stupid stuff like that,\" Bowers said. \"But pretty much everyone from home that knows me cheers for me, though not necessarily Texas.\" The Woodward, Okla., native returns to the Sooner State today four years removed from leaving as the consensus Oklahoma Player of the Year. The 6-foot-2-inch guard/forward chose to relocate her versatile game to Austin, and fans at Oklahoma have not forgiven her since. \"They give her a hard time, and she handles that well,\" head coach Jody Conradt said. \"Most of the people from her home town come and cheer for her, and they make up the majority of the people yelling for Texas.\" sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 70, "subject": "Sports Drinks and Beverages", "response_count": 4, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 18, 2003 (21:37)", "body": "OK. OK I'll lead off. My sports are basketball, football, soccer, golf, tennis, badminton, volleball and roque primarily. I drink Gatorade Strawberry Kiwi in the plastic bottle and the twist cap. I'm also trying a beverage called \"Trek\" just like the bicycle. Has anyone tried it? It comes in a nalgene (\"I just found out that nalgene is a durable, clear freezeproof, smash proof, rugged type of plastic\") bottle and has of those deals climbers use. What are they called, Caribiners or something like that? I hear it's more common out West, it's rare here. The Trek. I refill those Gatorade and Trek bottles with spring water from Whole Foods in Austin. We don't have our own reverse osmosis on our well yet. I like Mad River \"Red Tea\" and I've heard of another beverage called soy20 that's about to be released. I may have to mail order some, it's not locally available. What's your sport and drink of choice while playing/competing?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Tue, Oct 26, 2004 (12:07)", "body": "I'm a Gatorade user... actually addict. I love the stuff, especially the Extremo flavors. I've tried Powerade (hated it), and a couple of the others (yucky). Also use PowerGel, strawberry-banana being my favorite (it has caffiene)."}, {"response": 3, "author": "wingnut", "date": "Wed, Oct 27, 2004 (11:27)", "body": "What's the *best* sports drink for energy? For fluid replacement?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Wed, Oct 27, 2004 (11:51)", "body": "water for fluid replacement, can't beat it. the energy side is almost personal preference/need. I can drink straight Gator while I exercise, but have had friends that must dilute it. For energy while doing a long (over 60 min) I prefer the PowerGels. In that genre, there's also ClifShots, GU, and a bunch of others. And water... gotta have water. When out on my bike I carry 1 bottle of GatorAid and 1 bottle of water. I have an extra cage that if necessary I could slide another water in. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 71, "subject": "Spring Virtual Football Pool 2004", "response_count": 139, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Aug 22, 2004 (04:45)", "body": "Saturday, August 28 - College usc 17.5 VIRGINIA TECH"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  3, 2004 (07:15)", "body": "Thursday, September 2 - College ARIZONA STATE 24.5 texas el paso boston college 17.5 BALL STATE E MICHIGAN 5.5 buffalo TEXAS CHRISTIAN 7.5 northwestern UTAH 9.5 texas a&m Friday, September 3 - College washington state 1.5 NEW MEXICO Saturday, September 4 - College ALABAMA 26.0 utah state ALA BIRMINGHAM 14.0 baylor ARKANSAS 21.0 new mexico st AUBURN 38.0 la monroe BOISE STATE 32.0 idaho california 12.5 AIR FORCE CLEMSON 12.0 wake forest COLORADO 6.0 colorado state FLORIDA 28.0 mid tenn st IOWA 29.0 kent state INDIANA 14.0 c michigan KANSAS 3.0 tulsa LOUISIANA STATE 18.5 oregon state MARSHALL 14.0 troy state MARYLAND 14.0 no illinois MICHIGAN NL miami ohio michigan state 6.5 RUTGERS MINNESOTA 11.0 toledo MISSISSIPPI 3.0 memphis MISSISSIPPI ST 6.5 tulane MISSOURI 33.0 arkansas state NAVY 6.5 duke notre dame 4.0 BRIGHAM YOUNG OHIO STATE 15.5 cincinnati OKLAHOMA 32.5 bowling green PENN STATE 15.5 akron south carolina 5.0 VANDERBILT STANFORD 17.0 san jose state UCLA 1.0 oklahoma state TEXAS 26.0 north texas texas tech 24.0 SO METHODIST virginia 16.0 TEMPLE WEST VIRGINIA 28.0 east carolina WISCONSIN 23.5 central florida Sunday, September 5 - College houston 2.5 RICE LOUISVILLE 8.0 kentucky PURDUE 12.5 syracuse TENNESSEE 20.0 unlv WASHINGTON 4.0 fresno state Monday, September 6 - College LOUISIANA TECH 5.0 nevada MIAMI FLA 2.0 florida state SOUTH FLORIDA 1.0 pittsburgh"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  3, 2004 (07:16)", "body": "Thursday's college results: Winner Loser spread score ARIZONA STATE texas el paso -24.5 41- 9 BALL STATE boston college +17.5 11-19 buffalo E MICHIGAN + 5.5 34-37 northwestern TEXAS CHRISTIAN + 7.5 45-48 UTAH texas a&m - 9.5 41-21"}, {"response": 4, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Sep  4, 2004 (10:46)", "body": "OK, I think OK, I think I've hacked into this thing....Let's see....gaf"}, {"response": 5, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Sep  4, 2004 (10:47)", "body": ""}, {"response": 6, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Sep  4, 2004 (11:03)", "body": "Ok, OK, I'm still deliberating a bet. Paul, what time does the big U play tonight? When is the lay a bet dead line?gaf"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep  4, 2004 (15:38)", "body": "The cutoff, legaffe, is 6 pm. That's game time. It's on pay per view and maybe on the radio."}, {"response": 8, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Sep  4, 2004 (17:51)", "body": "OK, OK... This is it. I'm putting all 7,500 virtual on the mighty texas longhorns to beat the spread on north texas state, or whatever the mean green is called...... mozoltov, gaf"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Sep  4, 2004 (20:24)", "body": "Texas is a 26 point favorite. It's the first quarter. And the score is already Horns 34-0. Correction, 5 minutes to go in the half it's the second quarter. Good called legaffe."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 2004 (09:11)", "body": "Results, only one player so far legaffe 15,000"}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  5, 2004 (11:30)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score ALA BIRMINGHAM baylor -14.0 56-14 ALABAMA utah state -26.0 48-17 ARKANSAS new mexico st -21.0 63-13 arkansas state MISSOURI +33.0 20-52 BOISE STATE idaho -32.0 65- 7 bowling green OKLAHOMA +32.5 24-40 BRIGHAM YOUNG notre dame + 4.0 20-17 california AIR FORCE -12.5 56-14 colorado state COLORADO + 6.0 24-27 INDIANA c michigan -14.0 41-10 IOWA kent state -29.0 39- 7 KANSAS tulsa - 3.0 21- 3 la monroe AUBURN +38.0 0-31 memphis MISSISSIPPI + 3.0 20-13 MICHIGAN miami ohio -13.5 43-10 MINNESOTA toledo -11.0 63-21 MISSISSIPPI ST tulane - 6.5 28- 7 NAVY duke - 6.5 27-12 no illinois MARYLAND +14.0 20-23 OHIO STATE cincinnati -15.5 27- 6 oklahoma state UCLA + 1.0 31-20 oregon state LOUISIANA STATE +18.5 21-22 PENN STATE akron -15.5 48-10 RUTGERS michigan state + 6.5 19-14 SO METHODIST texas tech +24.0 13-27 south carolina VANDERBILT - 5.0 31- 6 STANFORD san jose state -17.0 43- 3 TEXAS north texas -26.0 65- 0 troy state MARSHALL +14.0 17-15 virginia TEMPLE -16.0 44-14 wake forest CLEMSON +12.0 30-27 WEST VIRGINIA east carolina -28.0 56-23 WISCONSIN central florida -23.5 34- 6"}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep  6, 2004 (07:17)", "body": "Sunday's college results: fresno state WASHINGTON + 4.0 35-16 LOUISVILLE kentucky - 8.0 28- 0 PURDUE syracuse -12.5 51- 0 RICE houston + 2.5 10- 7 TENNESSEE unlv -20.0 42-17"}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 2004 (08:54)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, September 9 - College missouri 10.5 TROY STATE Friday, September 10 - College BOISE STATE 7.0 oregon state MIAMI FLA 2.0 florida state Saturday, September 11 - College AKRON 7.0 mid tenn state ALABAMA 10.0 mississippi auburn 13.0 MISSISSIPPI ST BOSTON COLLEGE 1.5 penn state CALIFORNIA 32.0 new mexico st CLEMSON 8.0 georgia tech CONNECTICUT 13.0 duke FLORIDA 37.5 e michigan georgia 9.5 SOUTH CAROLINA IOWA 26.0 iowa state KANSAS 2.0 toledo KANSAS STATE 13.0 fresno state LOUISIANA STATE 41.0 arkansas state louisville 22.0 ARMY MARYLAND 27.0 temple miami ohio 2.0 CINCINNATI michigan 12.0 NOTRE DAME MICHIGAN STATE 26.0 c michigan NEBRASKA 13.5 so mississippi NORTH TEXAS 7.5 fla atlantic NORTHWESTERN 2.0 arizona state OHIO STATE 16.0 marshall OKLAHOMA 35.5 houston OKLAHOMA STATE 20.0 tulsa OREGON 20.0 indiana PITTSBURGH 17.5 ohio PURDUE 30.0 ball state STANFORD 3.0 brigham young syracuse 15.5 BUFFALO texas 11.0 ARKANSAS TEXAS A&M 11.0 wyoming TEXAS CHRISTIAN 23.0 so methodist texas tech 3.5 NEW MEXICO ucla 5.0 ILLINOIS USC 24.0 colorado state utah 11.5 ARIZONA UTAH STATE 10.5 idaho VIRGINIA 20.0 north carolina VIRGINIA TECH 24.5 w michigan wake forest 14.5 EAST CAROLINA WASHINGTON STATE 2.5 colorado west virginia 20.0 CENTRAL FLORIDA WISCONSIN 15.0 unlv LOUISIANA TECH NL la lafayette This week's NFL lines: Thursday, September 9 - NFL PATRIOTS 3.0 colts Sunday, September 12 - NFL BEARS 3.0 lions BILLS 3.0 jaguars BRONCOS 3.0 chiefs EAGLES 9.0 giants falcons 3.5 NINERS JETS 4.5 bengals RAMS 11.0 cardinals ravens 3.0 BROWNS REDSKINS 2.0 buccaneers seahawks 2.5 SAINTS STEELERS 4.0 raiders TEXANS 4.5 chargers titans 3.0 DOLPHINS VIKINGS 4.5 cowboys Monday, September 13 - NFL PANTHERS 3.0 packers"}, {"response": 14, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 2004 (16:52)", "body": "Hey Paul: Do you post the bet here or in 1268? Where is 1268? Look at the beginning. 73, Bill"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep  9, 2004 (22:33)", "body": "Here."}, {"response": 16, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Sep 11, 2004 (19:13)", "body": "I bet all $15,000 virtual on UT to beat the spread & the scurvy arkansas razorback pigs.Hook 'em gaf"}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 12, 2004 (10:44)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score ALABAMA mississippi -10.0 28- 7 arizona state NORTHWESTERN + 2.0 30-21 ARKANSAS texas +11.0 20-22 auburn MISSISSIPPI ST -13.0 43-14 BOSTON COLLEGE penn state - 1.5 21- 7 c michigan MICHIGAN STATE +26.0 7-24 CINCINNATI miami ohio + 2.0 45-20 colorado WASHINGTON STATE + 2.5 20-12 duke CONNECTICUT +13.0 20-22 EAST CAROLINA wake forest +14.5 17-31 fla atlantic NORTH TEXAS + 7.5 20-13 FLORIDA e michigan -37.5 49-10 fresno state KANSAS STATE +13.0 45-21 georgia tech CLEMSON + 8.0 28-24 idaho UTAH STATE +10.5 7-14 indiana OREGON +20.0 30-24 iowa state IOWA +26.0 10-17 KANSAS toledo - 2.0 63-14 la lafayette LOUISIANA TECH +14.0 20-24 LOUISIANA STATE arkansas state -41.0 53- 3 louisville ARMY -22.0 52-21 marshall OHIO STATE +16.0 21-24 mid tenn state AKRON + 7.0 31-24 NEW MEXICO texas tech + 3.5 27-24 new mexico st CALIFORNIA +32.0 14-41 NOTRE DAME michigan +12.0 28-20 OKLAHOMA houston -35.5 63-13 PITTSBURGH ohio -17.5 24- 3 PURDUE ball state -30.0 59- 7 so mississippi NEBRASKA +13.5 21-17 SOUTH CAROLINA georgia + 9.5 16-20 STANFORD brigham young - 3.0 37-10 syracuse BUFFALO -15.5 37-17 temple MARYLAND +27.0 22-45 TEXAS A&M wyoming -11.0 31- 0 TEXAS CHRISTIAN so methodist -23.0 44- 0 tulsa OKLAHOMA STATE +20.0 21-38 ucla ILLINOIS - 5.0 35-17 USC colorado state -24.0 49- 0 utah ARIZONA -11.5 23- 6 VIRGINIA north carolina -20.0 56-24 VIRGINIA TECH w michigan -24.5 63- 0 west virginia CENTRAL FLORIDA -20.0 45-20 WISCONSIN unlv -15.0 18- 3 PUSH Texas had a tough time and did not beat the spread. Better luck next year, George. But they won anyway. Hookem'"}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 13, 2004 (15:39)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BRONCOS chiefs - 3.0 34-24 BROWNS ravens + 3.0 20- 3 cardinals RAMS +11.0 10-17 chargers TEXANS + 4.5 27-20 EAGLES giants - 9.0 31-17 jaguars BILLS + 3.0 13-10 JETS bengals - 4.5 31-24 lions BEARS + 3.0 20-16 NINERS falcons + 3.5 19-21 raiders STEELERS + 4.0 21-24 REDSKINS buccaneers - 2.0 16-10 seahawks SAINTS - 2.5 21- 7 VIKINGS cowboys - 4.5 35-17"}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 13, 2004 (17:01)", "body": "Cowboys 100"}, {"response": 20, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Thu, Sep 16, 2004 (15:24)", "body": "Hey Paul: Where's the spread for this week? 73, Bill"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Sep 16, 2004 (16:52)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early games - College california 7.0 SO MISSISSIPPI [Thursday] BOSTON COLLEGE 8.0 connecticut [Friday] Saturday, September 18 - College ARIZONA STATE 1.0 iowa AUBURN 1.5 louisiana state boise state 27.5 TEXAS EL PASO cincinnati 1.0 SYRACUSE clemson 1.5 TEXAS A&M COLORADO 20.0 north texas FLORIDA STATE 24.5 ala birmingham GEORGIA 19.0 marshall georgia tech 8.5 NORTH CAROLINA hawaii 1.0 RICE HOUSTON 15.0 army ILLINOIS 8.5 w michigan IOWA STATE 2.5 no illinois KANSAS STATE 19.5 la lafayette KENTUCKY 1.5 indiana louisville 17.0 TULANE memphis 22.5 ARKANSAS STATE MIAMI FLA 30.5 louisiana tech MIAMI OHIO 19.5 ohio MICHIGAN 21.0 san diego state MID TENNESSEE ST 2.5 fla atlantic minnesota 3.5 COLORADO STATE MISSISSIPPI 7.0 vanderbilt MISSOURI 24.5 ball state pittsburgh 3.5 NEBRASKA NEVADA 14.0 buffalo NORTHWESTERN 2.0 kansas notre dame 3.5 MICHIGAN STATE ohio state 2.0 NO CAROLINA ST OKLAHOMA 28.0 oregon OKLAHOMA STATE 34.0 so methodist OREGON STATE 12.0 new mexico PENN STATE 21.5 central florida RUTGERS 11.5 kent state SOUTH CAROLINA 13.5 south florida TENNESSEE 3.0 florida TEXAS TECH 6.0 texas christian toledo 10.0 E MICHIGAN troy state 10.0 NEW MEXICO ST TULSA 1.0 navy ucla pick WASHINGTON UNLV 5.5 air force usc 26.5 BRIGHAM YOUNG utah 19.0 UTAH STATE VIRGINIA 31.0 akron VIRGINIA TECH 26.0 duke washington state 25.0 IDAHO WEST VIRGINIA 6.5 maryland wisconsin 10.0 ARIZONA LA MONROE NL arkansas TEMPLE NL florida a&m This week's NFL lines: Sunday, September 19 - NFL BENGALS 4.5 dolphins broncos 3.0 JAGUARS COWBOYS 4.0 browns FALCONS 2.5 rams jets 3.0 CHARGERS LIONS 3.0 texans patriots 8.0 CARDINALS RAIDERS 3.5 bills RAVENS 4.0 steelers redskins 3.0 GIANTS SAINTS 7.5 niners TITANS 1.5 colts BUCCANEERS NL seahawks CHIEFS NL panthers PACKERS NL bears Monday, September 20 - NFL EAGLES 3.5 vikings"}, {"response": 22, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Sep 18, 2004 (11:16)", "body": "I, Jorge Antonio Pfriempdter, bet $5,000 virtual for Texas Tech, the mighty Red Raiders, to bust the 6 point spread & spank the TCU horned frogs."}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 2004 (21:16)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score air force UNLV + 5.5 27-10 ARIZONA wisconsin +10.0 7- 9 ARIZONA STATE iowa - 1.0 44- 7 ARKANSAS STATE memphis +22.5 35-47 army HOUSTON +15.0 21-35 COLORADO north texas -20.0 52-21 E MICHIGAN toledo +10.0 32-42 PUSH fla atlantic MID TENNESSEE ST + 2.5 27-20 florida TENNESSEE + 3.0 28-30 FLORIDA STATE ala birmingham -24.5 34- 7 IOWA STATE no illinois - 2.5 48-41 KANSAS STATE la lafayette -19.5 40-20 kent state RUTGERS +11.5 21-29 KENTUCKY indiana - 1.5 51-32 louisiana state AUBURN + 1.5 9-10 marshall GEORGIA +19.0 3-13 maryland WEST VIRGINIA + 6.5 16-19 OT MIAMI FLA louisiana tech -30.5 48- 0 MIAMI OHIO ohio -19.5 40-20 minnesota COLORADO STATE - 3.5 34-16 MISSOURI ball state -24.5 48- 0 navy TULSA + 1.0 29- 0 nebraska PITTSBURGH - 3.5 24-17 NEVADA buffalo -14.0 38-13 new mexico OREGON STATE +12.0 7-17 NEW MEXICO ST troy state +10.0 22-18 NORTH CAROLINA georgia tech + 8.5 34-13 NORTHWESTERN kansas - 2.0 20-17 notre dame MICHIGAN STATE - 3.5 31-24 ohio state NO CAROLINA ST - 2.0 22-14 OKLAHOMA STATE so methodist -34.0 59- 7 oregon OKLAHOMA +28.0 7-31 PENN STATE central florida -21.5 37-13 RICE hawaii + 1.0 41-29 san diego state MICHIGAN +21.0 21-24 SOUTH CAROLINA south florida -13.5 34- 3 SYRACUSE cincinnati + 1.0 19- 7 TEXAS A&M clemson + 1.5 27- 6 TEXAS EL PASO boise state +27.5 31-47 TEXAS TECH texas christian - 6.0 70-35 ucla WASHINGTON - 0.0 37-31 usc BRIGHAM YOUNG -26.5 42-10 utah UTAH STATE -19.0 48- 6 vanderbilt MISSISSIPPI + 7.0 23-26 OT VIRGINIA akron -31.0 51- 0 VIRGINIA TECH duke -26.0 41- 7 w michigan ILLINOIS + 8.5 27-30 washington state IDAHO -25.0 49- 0 Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score bears PACKERS + 9.0 21-10 bills RAIDERS + 3.5 10-13 colts TITANS + 1.5 31-17 COWBOYS browns - 4.0 19-12 dolphins BENGALS + 4.5 13-16 FALCONS rams - 2.5 34-17 GIANTS redskins + 3.0 20-14 JAGUARS broncos + 3.0 7- 6 jets CHARGERS - 3.0 34-28 LIONS texans - 3.0 28-16 niners SAINTS + 7.5 27-30 panthers CHIEFS + 6.0 28-17 patriots CARDINALS - 8.0 23-12 RAVENS steelers - 4.0 30-13 seahawks BUCCANEERS - 3.0 10- 6"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Sep 20, 2004 (21:19)", "body": "Texas Tech, 6 point favorite wins 70-35. So the reincarnated Jorge Frimp' doubles to 15,000. Bill still waiting in the wings. Cowboys don't make their spread even though they win so I'm down to 7000 Frimp' 15,000 Paul Terry 7,000 Bill 7,500"}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep 24, 2004 (17:28)", "body": "Thursday, September 23 - College KENT STATE 7.0 akron miami fla 29.0 HOUSTON Friday, September 24 - College BOISE STATE 21.0 brigham young NO ILLINOIS 1.0 bowling green Saturday, September 25 - College ARKANSAS 5.5 alabama ARIZONA STATE 7.5 oregon state cincinnati 12.0 EAST CAROLINA CONNECTICUT 21.5 army FLORIDA 19.0 kentucky FLORIDA STATE 18.0 clemson LA MONROE 6.0 arkansas state LOUISIANA STATE 29.0 mississippi st louisville 7.0 NORTH CAROLINA memphis 2.5 ALA BIRMINGHAM MICHIGAN 13.5 iowa michigan state 3.0 INDIANA mid tennessee st 2.5 LA LAFAYETTE MINNESOTA 15.0 northwestern mississippi 4.0 WYOMING NAVY 7.5 vanderbilt new mexico 6.5 NEW MEXICO ST north texas 3.0 BAYLOR NOTRE DAME 10.0 washington OHIO 13.0 buffalo OREGON 34.0 idaho purdue 20.5 ILLINOIS SAN DIEGO STATE 14.5 nevada SO METHODIST 1.5 san jose state so mississippi 13.0 TULANE TENNESSEE 23.5 louisiana tech texas 32.0 RICE texas tech 6.0 KANSAS TOLEDO 8.0 temple UNLV 13.0 utah state usc 21.5 STANFORD UTAH 20.5 air force VIRGINIA 24.5 syracuse VIRGINIA TECH 9.5 no carolina st WAKE FOREST 1.0 boston college w michigan 3.0 BALL STATE WISCONSIN 3.5 penn state ARIZONA NL washington state DUKE NL maryland This week's NFL lines: Sunday, September 26 - NFL BRONCOS 10.0 chargers CHIEFS 8.5 texans COLTS 5.5 packers DOLPHINS 1.0 steelers eagles 4.5 LIONS FALCONS 10.0 cardinals GIANTS 3.0 browns RAIDERS 3.0 buccaneers RAMS 6.5 saints ravens 3.0 BENGALS SEAHAWKS 11.0 niners TITANS 6.0 jaguars VIKINGS 9.0 bears Monday, September 27 - NFL REDSKINS NL cowboys"}, {"response": 26, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Sep 25, 2004 (17:56)", "body": "I will take Rice and the 32 points I lay down $10,000. UT will not beat the spread"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 2004 (06:44)", "body": "You nailed it pfreimpdter. Score Jorge 15,000 Bill 7,500 Paul 7,000"}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 2004 (09:32)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early games - College MARSHALL 7.0 miami ohio [Wed 9/29] CONNECTICUT 7.5 pittsburgh [Thu 9/30] navy 1.5 AIR FORCE [Thu 9/30] utah 10.0 NEW MEXICO [Fri 10/1] Saturday, October 2 - College ALABAMA 2.5 south carolina BOISE STATE 37.0 so methodist bowling green 6.5 TEMPLE california 6.0 OREGON STATE central florida 10.0 BUFFALO CINCINNATI 2.5 ala birmingham COLORADO STATE 3.0 brigham young E MICHIGAN 6.5 idaho FLORIDA 7.5 arkansas FLORIDA STATE 28.5 north carolina fresno state 14.0 LOUISIANA TECH GEORGIA 3.0 louisiana state HAWAII 11.0 tulsa IOWA 7.5 michigan state kent state 3.0 C MICHIGAN KENTUCKY 13.5 ohio LOUISVILLE 29.0 east carolina MEMPHIS 13.5 houston miami fla 13.5 GEORGIA TECH michigan 18.5 INDIANA MISSISSIPPI 18.0 arkansas state MISSOURI 7.5 colorado NEBRASKA 12.5 kansas NO CAROLINA ST 10.0 wake forest NORTH TEXAS 3.0 mid tennessee st NO ILLINOIS 16.0 akron ohio state 11.5 NORTHWESTERN OKLAHOMA 28.0 texas tech OKLAHOMA STATE 17.5 iowa state OREGON 2.5 arizona state purdue 1.5 NOTRE DAME rice 14.0 SAN JOSE STATE so mississippi 4.0 SOUTH FLORIDA STANFORD 12.0 washington SYRACUSE 6.5 rutgers TENNESSEE 2.5 auburn TEXAS 37.0 baylor TEXAS A&M 5.5 kansas state texas christian 19.0 ARMY TEXAS EL PASO 7.0 new mexico st TOLEDO 15.0 ball state TROY STATE 12.5 utah state UCLA 6.0 san diego state UNLV 5.5 nevada VANDERBILT 11.5 mississippi st VIRGINIA TECH 2.0 west virginia WISCONSIN 14.5 illinois WYOMING 13.5 la monroe MINNESOTA NL penn state This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 3 - NFL broncos 3.0 BUCCANEERS colts 3.5 JAGUARS eagles 9.5 BEARS jets 5.0 DOLPHINS PACKERS 7.0 giants PANTHERS 3.5 falcons patriots 5.5 BILLS raiders 2.0 TEXANS rams 3.5 NINERS saints 3.0 CARDINALS STEELERS 3.5 bengals BROWNS NL redskins CHARGERS NL titans Monday, October 4 - NFL RAVENS 4.5 chiefs"}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 29, 2004 (09:32)", "body": "So Texas is a whopping 37 point favorite over da' Bears."}, {"response": 30, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 2004 (09:37)", "body": "I put $20,000 on baylor. ut can't possibly make a 37 pt spread.hook'em, Jorge Antonio Pfriempdter"}, {"response": 31, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 2004 (11:08)", "body": "I am with Jorge Put $3000 on Baylor Wet fields and all. 73, Bill"}, {"response": 32, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct  2, 2004 (22:10)", "body": "I can't look. I'm going to watch the game tomorrow. Don't clue ime in on the radio!"}, {"response": 33, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct  6, 2004 (12:58)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early games - College SO MISSISSIPPI 17.5 houston [Thursday, 10/7] VIRGINIA 16.0 clemson [Thursday, 10/7] brigham young 10.5 UNLV [Friday, 10/8] Saturday, October 9 - College AKRON 9.5 buffalo alabama 5.0 KENTUCKY ala birmingham 10.5 MISSISSIPPI ST AUBURN 25.0 louisiana tech BALL STATE 7.5 e michigan bowling green 14.0 C MICHIGAN cincinnati 14.5 ARMY EAST CAROLINA 4.0 tulane FLORIDA 3.5 louisiana state florida state 19.5 SYRACUSE FRESNO STATE 20.0 texas el paso GEORGIA 12.5 tennessee HAWAII 18.0 nevada kansas state 2.5 KANSAS la lafayette 2.5 NEW MEXICO STATE la monroe 1.5 IDAHO marshall 9.0 OHIO MARYLAND 11.0 georgia tech MIAMI OHIO 18.0 kent state MICHIGAN 3.5 minnesota MICHIGAN STATE 7.0 illinois MID TENNESSEE ST 6.5 arkansas state missouri 20.0 BAYLOR new mexico 2.5 AIR FORCE no carolina st 10.5 NORTH CAROLINA north texas 1.5 UTAH STATE no illinois 18.0 CENTRAL FLORIDA NORTHWESTERN 11.0 indiana NOTRE DAME 4.5 stanford OHIO STATE 3.5 wisconsin oklahoma 6.5 TEXAS oklahoma state 6.5 COLORADO pittsburgh 13.5 TEMPLE purdue 11.0 PENN STATE RICE 14.0 so methodist san diego state 4.0 WYOMING SOUTH CAROLINA 17.0 mississippi texas a&m 7.0 IOWA STATE TEXAS TECH 7.0 nebraska toledo 14.0 W MICHIGAN UCLA 11.0 arizona USC 7.5 california VANDERBILT 6.0 rutgers virginia tech 5.5 WAKE FOREST WASHINGTON 17.5 san jose state WASHINGTON STATE 4.0 oregon This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 10 - NFL BRONCOS 5.5 panthers COLTS 9.0 raiders COWBOYS 3.5 giants FALCONS 7.0 lions jaguars 2.5 CHARGERS JETS 7.0 bills NINERS 1.5 cardinals PATRIOTS 13.0 dolphins SAINTS 3.0 buccaneers SEAHAWKS 6.5 rams STEELERS 6.0 browns vikings 3.5 TEXANS REDSKINS NL ravens Monday, October 11 - NFL PACKERS NL titans Dem's da' lines."}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 2004 (10:33)", "body": "40,000 Jorge 10,000 Bill 7,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,000 Paul Those are the standings."}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 2004 (10:34)", "body": "Sooners 6.5 favorites over Texas in the Red River Shootout, what'll it be, boys?"}, {"response": 36, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 2004 (10:34)", "body": "And what about that USC Cal matchup? That's big. USC favored by 7.5 over Cal, remember who won last year? Cal."}, {"response": 37, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 2004 (16:03)", "body": "Ok, Paul $5000 for USC!!! 73, Bill"}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct  7, 2004 (16:58)", "body": "2000 Texas 2000 Cal"}, {"response": 39, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 2004 (09:13)", "body": "Thursday's college results: Winner Loser spread score houston SO MISSISSIPPI +17.5 29-35 Thursday - OT VIRGINIA clemson -16.0 30-10 Thursday, 10/7 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 40, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 2004 (09:14)", "body": "Stragglers: Sunday, October 10 - NFL ravens pick REDSKINS Monday, October 11 - NFL PACKERS 3.0 titans"}, {"response": 41, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 2004 (09:15)", "body": "From sfgate.com The last time Cal and USC met when both were ranked in the top 10 was 52 years ago, and the Cal players who participated in seventh-ranked USC's bruising 10-0 victory over the No. 4 Bears at the Los Angeles Coliseum in 1952 remember how physical the game was. They have more vivid recollections of the 1951 game against the Trojans, a Frank Gifford-fueled 21-14 USC upset of the top-ranked Bears that had numerous story angles."}, {"response": 42, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Oct  9, 2004 (08:20)", "body": "Yo, Paul, my virtual account should be $42,500. I'll splain it to yu on 442.15 if you want.....I will lay down $10,000 virtual on the mighty long horns & take the spread to humiliate the slimey, scurvey ou bastards. Hook 'em Horns!!!! de Jorge Anonio Pfreimpdter."}, {"response": 43, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 2004 (08:12)", "body": "Looks like it's down to 32,500 now. I took a bath also. Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score AIR FORCE new mexico + 2.5 28-23 AKRON buffalo - 9.5 44-21 ala birmingham MISSISSIPPI ST -10.5 27-13 alabama KENTUCKY - 5.0 45-17 ARMY cincinnati +14.5 48-29 AUBURN louisiana tech -25.0 52- 7 BAYLOR missouri +20.0 10-30 PUSH bowling green C MICHIGAN -14.0 38-14 california USC + 7.5 17-23 CENTRAL FLORIDA no illinois +18.0 28-30 e michigan BALL STATE + 7.5 31-24 georgia tech MARYLAND +11.0 20- 7 HAWAII nevada -18.0 48-26 indiana NORTHWESTERN +11.0 24-31 OT KANSAS kansas state + 2.5 31-28 la monroe IDAHO - 1.5 16-14 louisiana state FLORIDA + 3.5 24-21 MIAMI OHIO kent state -18.0 47-27 MICHIGAN STATE illinois - 7.0 38-25 MID TENNESSEE ST arkansas state - 6.5 45-17 minnesota MICHIGAN + 3.5 24-27 mississippi SOUTH CAROLINA +17.0 31-28 NEW MEXICO STATE la lafayette + 2.5 35-32 NORTH CAROLINA no carolina st +10.5 30-24 north texas UTAH STATE - 1.5 31-23 NOTRE DAME stanford - 4.5 23-15 OHIO marshall + 9.0 13-16 oklahoma TEXAS - 6.5 12- 0 oklahoma state COLORADO - 6.5 42-14 oregon WASHINGTON STATE + 4.0 41-38 PENN STATE purdue +11.0 13-20 RICE so methodist -14.0 44-10 rutgers VANDERBILT + 6.0 37-34 san jose state WASHINGTON +17.5 6-21 SYRACUSE florida state +19.5 13-17 TEMPLE pittsburgh +13.5 22-27 tennessee GEORGIA +12.5 19-14 texas a&m IOWA STATE - 7.0 34- 3 texas el paso FRESNO STATE +20.0 24-21 TEXAS TECH nebraska - 7.0 70-10 toledo W MICHIGAN -14.0 59-33 tulane EAST CAROLINA + 4.0 25-27 UCLA arizona -11.0 37-17 virginia tech WAKE FOREST - 5.5 17-10 wisconsin OHIO STATE + 3.5 24-13 WYOMING san diego state + 4.0 20-10"}, {"response": 44, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Sun, Oct 10, 2004 (14:27)", "body": "Can I put 3000 on geordie comming last in the pool ie Geordie legafe2 Joe"}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 11, 2004 (06:53)", "body": "You could, except I can't get a line out of Vegas on Geordie crash and burn odds. But the new lines will be out soon and you'll be welcome to jump in to the fray, Joe."}, {"response": 46, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 11, 2004 (07:12)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score bills JETS + 7.0 14-16 buccaneers SAINTS + 3.0 20-17 CHARGERS jaguars + 2.5 34-21 COLTS raiders - 9.0 35-14 giants COWBOYS + 3.5 26-10 lions FALCONS + 7.0 17-10 NINERS cardinals - 1.5 31-28 OT panthers BRONCOS + 5.5 17-20 PATRIOTS dolphins -13.0 24-10 rams SEAHAWKS + 6.5 33-27 OT ravens REDSKINS - 0.0 17-10 STEELERS browns - 6.0 34-23 vikings TEXANS - 3.5 34-28 OT Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 47, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 11, 2004 (07:12)", "body": "New lines out in a couple of days."}, {"response": 48, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 2004 (17:39)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early Games - College west virginia 7.0 CONNECTICUT [Wed 10/13] MIAMI FLA 9.5 louisville [Thu 10/14] ALA BIRMINGHAM 7.0 texas christian [Fri 10/15] Saturday, October 16 - College ALABAMA 7.0 so mississippi AUBURN 13.0 arkansas boise state 21.0 TULSA boston college 10.0 PITTSBURGH BOWLING GREEN 24.5 ball state BRIGHAM YOUNG 8.0 wyoming CALIFORNIA 14.5 ucla CENTRAL FLORIDA 3.5 akron CLEMSON 23.0 utah state COLORADO 10.0 iowa state FLORIDA 28.5 mid tennessee st FLORIDA STATE 3.0 virginia GEORGIA 23.0 vanderbilt GEORGIA TECH 19.5 duke la lafayette 3.5 IDAHO LA MONROE 9.5 fla intl louisiana tech 9.0 SO METHODIST marshall 13.0 KENT STATE MARYLAND 3.0 no carolina st MEMPHIS 23.5 tulane miami ohio 20.0 BUFFALO michigan 19.0 ILLINOIS minnesota 9.0 MICHIGAN STATE NEBRASKA 22.5 baylor NO ILLINOIS 20.0 c michigan notre dame 6.5 NAVY ohio state 2.0 IOWA oklahoma 20.0 KANSAS STATE OKLAHOMA STATE 7.5 texas a&m OREGON 11.5 arizona oregon state 6.5 WASHINGTON PURDUE 6.5 wisconsin rice 7.0 NEVADA SAN DIEGO STATE 4.0 colorado state south carolina 11.0 KENTUCKY SOUTH FLORIDA 16.0 army stanford pick WASHINGTON STATE RUTGERS 13.0 temple tennessee 10.0 MISSISSIPPI TEXAS 14.0 missouri TEXAS EL PASO 4.0 hawaii TOLEDO 13.5 ohio troy state 11.5 ARKANSAS STATE UNLV 2.5 new mexico USC 10.5 arizona state UTAH 20.5 north carolina VIRGINIA TECH 23.5 florida a&m W MICHIGAN 4.5 e michigan This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 17 - NFL broncos 1.5 RAIDERS BROWNS 3.0 bengals chiefs 2.0 JAGUARS COWBOYS 3.0 steelers EAGLES 9.0 panthers FALCONS 5.0 chargers JETS 10.0 niners LIONS 2.0 packers PATRIOTS 4.0 seahawks redskins pick BEARS TITANS 6.5 texans vikings 3.5 SAINTS BILLS NL dolphins Monday, October 18 - NFL RAMS 6.5 buccaneers"}, {"response": 49, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 13, 2004 (17:41)", "body": "George 32,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Bill 5,000 Paul 3,000"}, {"response": 50, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Sat, Oct 16, 2004 (09:35)", "body": "OK Paul, $2500 on USC. They have to win since I am here! Have that 1/2 point deal again. 73, Bill"}, {"response": 51, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Oct 16, 2004 (14:59)", "body": "I bet $20,000 on the mighty UT Long Horns to beat the 14 pt. spread. Hook 'em, Jorge Antonio Pfreimpdter"}, {"response": 52, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Mon, Oct 18, 2004 (16:23)", "body": "For once, the spread didn't matter. A terrific game to go see. USC dominated from minute one. The trojan horse got quite a workout! 73, Bill"}, {"response": 53, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 19, 2004 (22:36)", "body": ""}, {"response": 54, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 20, 2004 (04:18)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score akron CENTRAL FLORIDA + 3.5 26-21 ALABAMA so mississippi - 7.0 27- 3 ARKANSAS STATE troy state +11.5 13- 9 army SOUTH FLORIDA +16.0 42-35 AUBURN arkansas -13.0 38-20 BOWLING GREEN ball state -24.5 51-13 BRIGHAM YOUNG wyoming - 8.0 24-13 BUFFALO miami ohio +20.0 7-25 CALIFORNIA ucla -14.5 45-28 CLEMSON utah state -23.0 35- 6 colorado state SAN DIEGO STATE + 4.0 21-17 duke GEORGIA TECH +19.5 7-24 e michigan W MICHIGAN + 4.5 35-31 FLORIDA mid tennessee st -28.5 52-16 florida intl LA MONROE + 9.5 20-28 FLORIDA STATE virginia - 3.0 36- 3 GEORGIA vanderbilt -23.0 33- 3 IDAHO la lafayette + 3.5 38-25 ILLINOIS michigan +19.0 19-30 IOWA ohio state + 2.0 33- 7 iowa state COLORADO +10.0 14-19 KANSAS STATE oklahoma +20.0 21-31 KENT STATE marshall +13.0 17-27 KENTUCKY south carolina +11.0 7-12 louisiana tech SO METHODIST - 9.0 41-10 MEMPHIS tulane -23.5 49-24 MICHIGAN STATE minnesota + 9.0 51-17 MISSISSIPPI tennessee +10.0 17-21 missouri TEXAS +14.0 20-28 NEBRASKA baylor -22.5 59-27 NEVADA rice + 7.0 35-10 new mexico UNLV + 2.5 24-20 no carolina st MARYLAND + 3.0 13- 3 NO ILLINOIS c michigan -20.0 42-10 notre dame NAVY - 6.5 27- 9 OREGON arizona -11.5 28-14 oregon state WASHINGTON - 6.5 29-14 PITTSBURGH boston college +10.0 20-17 OT stanford WASHINGTON STATE - 0.0 23-17 temple RUTGERS +13.0 6-16 texas a&m OKLAHOMA STATE + 7.5 36-20 TEXAS EL PASO hawaii - 4.0 51-20 TOLEDO ohio -13.5 31-13 TULSA boise state +21.0 42-45 USC arizona state -10.5 45- 7 UTAH north carolina -20.5 46-16 VIRGINIA TECH florida a&m -23.5 62- 0 wisconsin PURDUE + 6.5 20-17"}, {"response": 55, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 20, 2004 (04:18)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BILLS dolphins - 3.5 20-13 broncos RAIDERS - 1.5 31- 3 BROWNS bengals - 3.0 34-17 chargers FALCONS + 5.0 20-21 EAGLES panthers - 9.0 30- 8 JAGUARS chiefs + 2.0 22-16 niners JETS +10.0 14-22 packers LIONS + 2.0 38-10 PATRIOTS seahawks - 4.0 30-20 redskins BEARS - 0.0 13-10 steelers COWBOYS + 3.0 24-20 texans TITANS + 6.5 20-10 vikings SAINTS - 3.5 38-31"}, {"response": 56, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 20, 2004 (04:23)", "body": "Texas won 28-20 not beating the spread over my old school, Mizzou. USC easily beat the 10.5 spread. Jorge 12,500 Bill 7,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Paul 3,000"}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 20, 2004 (04:23)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early games - College WEST VIRGINIA 16.5 syracuse [Thu 10/21] COLORADO STATE 4.5 wyoming [Fri 10/22] LOUISVILLE 29.5 south florida [Fri 10/22] Saturday, October 23 - College AIR FORCE 2.5 brigham young AKRON 10.0 ball state ala birmingham 17.5 TULANE ARIZONA STATE 7.5 ucla AUBURN 30.5 kentucky BOISE STATE 10.0 fresno state bowling green 12.0 OHIO california 22.0 ARIZONA CLEMSON 3.5 maryland CONNECTICUT 17.0 temple florida 24.0 MISSISSIPPI ST FLA ATLANTIC 14.5 la monroe florida state 13.5 WAKE FOREST georgia 8.0 ARKANSAS HAWAII 21.5 san jose state iowa state 7.5 BAYLOR KANSAS STATE 5.0 nebraska LA LAFAYETTE 3.0 arkansas state LOUISIANA STATE 23.5 troy state LOUISIANA TECH 2.5 texas el paso MARSHALL 25.0 buffalo memphis 6.5 CINCINNATI miami fla 7.5 NO CAROLINA ST MIAMI OHIO 23.5 central florida MID TENNESSEE ST 10.0 idaho MINNESOTA 18.5 illinois MISSOURI 3.5 oklahoma state NAVY 10.0 rice NEVADA 3.0 tulsa NEW MEXICO 5.0 san diego state NORTH TEXAS 10.0 new mexico st no illinois 19.5 W MICHIGAN NOTRE DAME 7.0 boston college OHIO STATE 14.0 indiana OKLAHOMA 27.0 kansas OREGON STATE 7.5 washington state PENN STATE 2.5 iowa PITTSBURGH 5.5 rutgers PURDUE 4.5 michigan SO MISSISSIPPI 19.0 east carolina STANFORD 4.0 oregon TENNESSEE 7.0 alabama texas 2.5 TEXAS TECH TEXAS A&M 20.0 colorado TEXAS CHRISTIAN 6.0 houston TOLEDO 25.5 c michigan USC 34.0 washington UTAH 24.0 unlv virginia 25.0 DUKE WISCONSIN 12.0 northwestern This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 24 - NFL BUCCANEERS 6.0 bears CHIEFS 4.0 falcons COLTS 9.0 jaguars eagles 7.0 BROWNS GIANTS 6.5 lions PACKERS 3.5 cowboys PANTHERS 3.0 chargers PATRIOTS 6.5 jets RAIDERS 3.0 saints rams 6.5 DOLPHINS RAVENS 6.0 bills seahawks 7.0 CARDINALS VIKINGS NL titans Monday, October 25 - NFL broncos 5.5 BENGALS /"}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 20, 2004 (04:26)", "body": "texas 2.5 TEXAS TECH USC 34.0 washington"}, {"response": 59, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Oct 20, 2004 (04:27)", "body": "Texas 1000 Washington 500"}, {"response": 60, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 21, 2004 (11:42)", "body": "Sunday, October 24 - NFL VIKINGS 6.5 titans"}, {"response": 61, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Fri, Oct 22, 2004 (16:58)", "body": "Ok Paul. Hard choices. 34 points is a big spread but USC's defense is awesome. The 1-5 Huskies have their work cut out for them. 5000 on USC. 73, Bill p.s. - I am not touching the UT game. Too much phobia on that one."}, {"response": 62, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Oct 23, 2004 (17:20)", "body": "I put $5,000 virtual on the mighty UT Longhorns to beat the 2.5 point spread of the girlie man Texas Tech Red Raiders. Hook 'im, Jorge Antonio Pfreimpdter"}, {"response": 63, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 24, 2004 (08:50)", "body": "You won that bet George, Handily. And I won on that one too. Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score AKRON ball state -10.0 35-23 alabama TENNESSEE + 7.0 13-17 ARKANSAS georgia + 8.0 14-20 AUBURN kentucky -30.5 42-10 BAYLOR iowa state + 7.5 25-26 BOISE STATE fresno state -10.0 33-16 boston college NOTRE DAME + 7.0 24-23 bowling green OHIO -12.0 41-16 brigham young AIR FORCE + 2.5 41-24 c michigan TOLEDO +25.5 22-27 california ARIZONA -22.0 38- 0 CINCINNATI memphis + 6.5 49-10 colorado TEXAS A&M +20.0 26-29 OT DUKE virginia +25.0 16-37 idaho MID TENNESSEE ST +10.0 34-14 iowa PENN STATE + 2.5 6- 4 KANSAS STATE nebraska - 5.0 45-21 LA LAFAYETTE arkansas state - 3.0 27-24 PUSH la monroe FLA ATLANTIC +14.5 17-13 MARSHALL buffalo -25.0 48-14 maryland CLEMSON + 3.5 7-10 miami fla NO CAROLINA ST - 7.5 45-31 MIAMI OHIO central florida -23.5 43- 7 michigan PURDUE + 4.5 16-14 MINNESOTA illinois -18.5 45- 0 MISSISSIPPI ST florida +24.0 38-31 NEVADA tulsa - 3.0 55-48 OT NEW MEXICO san diego state - 5.0 19- 9 no illinois W MICHIGAN -19.5 59-38 NORTH TEXAS new mexico st -10.0 36-26 PUSH OHIO STATE indiana -14.0 30- 7 OKLAHOMA kansas -27.0 41-10 oklahoma state MISSOURI + 3.5 20-17 oregon STANFORD + 4.0 16-13 OREGON STATE washington state - 7.5 38-19 PITTSBURGH rutgers - 5.5 41-17 rice NAVY +10.0 13-14 SO MISSISSIPPI east carolina -19.0 51-10 temple CONNECTICUT +17.0 31-45 texas TEXAS TECH - 2.5 51-21 TEXAS CHRISTIAN houston - 6.0 34-27 texas el paso LOUISIANA TECH + 2.5 44-27 troy state LOUISIANA STATE +23.5 20-24 TULANE ala birmingham +17.5 59-55 ucla ARIZONA STATE + 7.5 42-48 USC washington -34.0 38- 0 UTAH unlv -24.0 63-28 WAKE FOREST florida state +13.5 17-20 WISCONSIN northwestern -12.0 24-12 PUSH"}, {"response": 64, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 25, 2004 (07:45)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BROWNS eagles + 7.0 31-34 OT BUCCANEERS bears - 6.0 19- 7 CARDINALS seahawks + 7.0 25-17 chargers PANTHERS + 3.0 17- 6 CHIEFS falcons - 4.0 56-10 DOLPHINS rams + 6.5 31-14 jaguars COLTS + 9.0 27-24 jets PATRIOTS + 6.5 7-13 lions GIANTS + 6.5 28-13 PACKERS cowboys - 3.5 41-20 RAVENS bills - 6.0 20- 6 saints RAIDERS + 3.0 31-26 VIKINGS titans - 6.5 20- 3 Next, we'll tally the results and see how things stand."}, {"response": 65, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 2004 (14:41)", "body": "Hey Paul: We need the tallies and the lines for tomorrow games! 73, Bill"}, {"response": 66, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Fri, Oct 29, 2004 (15:49)", "body": "Paul: Fix this thing so the last post is on top and not the bottom. 73, Bill"}, {"response": 67, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 2004 (11:51)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early Games - College virginia tech 5.0 GEORGIA TECH [Thu 10/28] BOISE STATE 22.0 hawaii [Fri 10/29] Saturday, October 30 - NFL army 2.5 EAST CAROLINA auburn 17.5 MISSISSIPPI BOWLING GREEN 30.5 e michigan CALIFORNIA 15.0 arizona state C MICHIGAN 7.0 w michigan CINCINNATI 6.0 texas christian COLORADO STATE 3.0 new mexico florida state 10.5 MARYLAND FRESNO STATE 27.0 so methodist GEORGIA 7.0 florida HOUSTON 10.0 tulane iowa 11.0 ILLINOIS kansas 4.5 IOWA STATE KANSAS STATE 2.5 texas tech KENT STATE 1.5 ohio LOUISIANA STATE 24.0 vanderbilt MARSHALL 26.0 central florida miami fla 21.5 NORTH CAROLINA MICHIGAN 11.0 michigan state MID TENNESSEE ST 9.5 utah state missouri 2.0 NEBRASKA minnesota 17.5 INDIANA MISSISSIPPI ST 3.5 kentucky NEW MEXICO ST 10.0 florida intl no carolina st 1.5 CLEMSON NORTH TEXAS 9.0 la monroe no illinois 20.0 BALL STATE OHIO STATE 6.0 penn state oklahoma 12.0 OKLAHOMA STATE OREGON 20.0 washington oregon state 7.0 ARIZONA purdue 9.5 NORTHWESTERN rice 1.0 TULSA SYRACUSE 3.0 connecticut tennessee 1.0 SOUTH CAROLINA texas 14.0 COLORADO texas a&m 22.0 BAYLOR texas el paso 15.5 SAN JOSE STATE TROY STATE 24.0 idaho UCLA 5.0 stanford usc 24.0 WASHINGTON STATE utah 18.5 SAN DIEGO STATE WAKE FOREST 17.5 duke west virginia 14.5 RUTGERS WYOMING 2.5 air force This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 31 - NFL BEARS 1.5 niners BILLS 3.0 cardinals BRONCOS 6.5 falcons CHARGERS 6.0 raiders colts 1.0 CHIEFS COWBOYS 3.0 lions EAGLES 7.5 ravens packers 2.0 REDSKINS patriots 3.0 STEELERS SEAHAWKS 8.0 panthers TEXANS 1.5 jaguars TITANS 3.0 bengals VIKINGS 6.5 giants Monday, November 1 - NFL JETS 7.0 dolphins"}, {"response": 68, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 2004 (11:53)", "body": "Jorge 17,500 Bill 12,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Paul 4,500"}, {"response": 69, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 2004 (11:53)", "body": "Double check your totals to make sure that's right."}, {"response": 70, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Oct 30, 2004 (13:38)", "body": "Hello all you sports fans!!!! I bet $5,000 on UT (the big U) to beat the point spread & teach CU a lesson they will not soon forget. Hook 'em, Jorge Antonio Pfreimpdter"}, {"response": 71, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Oct 31, 2004 (07:45)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score auburn MISSISSIPPI -17.5 35-14 BALL STATE no illinois +20.0 31-38 OT BAYLOR texas a&m +22.0 35-34 OT CALIFORNIA arizona state -15.0 27- 0 central florida MARSHALL +26.0 3-20 CINCINNATI texas christian - 6.0 21-10 CLEMSON no carolina st + 1.5 26-20 duke WAKE FOREST +17.5 22-24 e michigan BOWLING GREEN +30.5 20-41 EAST CAROLINA army + 2.5 38-28 FRESNO STATE so methodist -27.0 42- 0 GEORGIA florida - 7.0 31-24 PUSH HOUSTON tulane -10.0 24- 3 ILLINOIS iowa +11.0 13-23 INDIANA minnesota +17.5 30-21 IOWA STATE kansas + 4.5 13- 7 KENT STATE ohio - 1.5 42-16 MARYLAND florida state +10.5 20-17 michigan state MICHIGAN +11.0 37-45 3 OT MID TENNESSEE ST utah state - 9.5 21- 0 MISSISSIPPI ST kentucky - 3.5 22- 7 NEBRASKA missouri + 2.0 24- 3 new mexico COLORADO STATE + 3.0 26-17 NEW MEXICO ST florida intl -10.0 56-31 NORTH CAROLINA miami fla +21.5 31-28 NORTH TEXAS la monroe - 9.0 45-30 NORTHWESTERN purdue + 9.5 13-10 OHIO STATE penn state - 6.0 21-10 OKLAHOMA STATE oklahoma +12.0 35-38 OREGON washington -20.0 31- 6 oregon state ARIZONA - 7.0 28-14 RUTGERS west virginia +14.5 30-35 SYRACUSE connecticut - 3.0 42-30 tennessee SOUTH CAROLINA - 1.0 43-29 texas COLORADO -14.0 31- 7 texas el paso SAN JOSE STATE -15.5 38-20 texas tech KANSAS STATE + 2.5 35-25 TROY STATE idaho -24.0 47- 7 TULSA rice + 1.0 39-22 UCLA stanford - 5.0 21- 0 usc WASHINGTON STATE -24.0 42-12 utah SAN DIEGO STATE -18.5 51-28 vanderbilt LOUISIANA STATE +24.0 7-24 w michigan C MICHIGAN + 7.0 21-24 OT WYOMING air force - 2.5 43-26 Sorry for my tardiness is getting the lines up Bill! Texas easily met the spread, playing a great running game against Colorado. Rack up more points for Cedric Bensen. Jorge 22,500 Bill 12,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Paul 4,500"}, {"response": 72, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 2004 (14:13)", "body": "Hey Paul: Need the spread! Maybe I will place it in time. 73, Bill"}, {"response": 73, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 2004 (16:19)", "body": "Based on the statesman spread $5000 on UT $5000 on USC 73, Bill"}, {"response": 74, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 2004 (18:30)", "body": "I bet $5,000 virtual for UT to beat the Statesman spread against OSU. Hook 'em, Jorge Antonio Pfreimpdter"}, {"response": 75, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 2004 (19:24)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early Games - College MIAMI OHIO 5.0 toledo [Tue 11/2] ALA BIRMINGHAM 18.5 south florida [Wed 11/3] louisville 13.0 MEMPHIS [Thu 11/4] marshall 8.5 AKRON [Fri 11/5] north texas 2.5 LA LAFAYETTE [Fri 11/5] Saturday, November 6 - College air force 5.0 ARMY ALABAMA 17.5 mississippi st arkansas state 3.0 IDAHO ARIZONA STATE 10.5 stanford BOSTON COLLEGE 14.5 rutgers BOWLING GREEN 30.0 w michigan BRIGHAM YOUNG 8.5 san diego state CALIFORNIA 21.0 oregon c michigan 1.5 E MICHIGAN florida 12.5 VANDERBILT FLORIDA STATE 31.0 duke fresno state 7.0 RICE georgia 24.0 KENTUCKY HAWAII 5.5 louisiana tech HOUSTON 14.5 east carolina ILLINOIS 2.5 indiana IOWA 4.5 purdue KANSAS 3.5 colorado kent state 9.0 BUFFALO LA MONROE 6.0 utah state MIAMI FLA 17.5 clemson MICHIGAN STATE 2.0 ohio state MISSOURI 5.0 kansas state navy 12.5 TULANE nebraska 5.5 IOWA STATE NEVADA 13.5 san jose state new mexico st 3.0 MID TENNESSEE ST NO CAROLINA ST 7.5 georgia tech ohio 3.5 CENTRAL FLORIDA oklahoma 12.0 TEXAS A&M PENN STATE 3.5 northwestern SOUTH CAROLINA 3.5 arkansas SO MISSISSIPPI 6.0 cincinnati SYRACUSE 4.5 pittsburgh TENNESSEE 7.0 notre dame TEXAS 13.0 oklahoma state TEXAS TECH 31.0 baylor TROY STATE 13.0 fla atlantic tulsa 12.0 SO METHODIST UCLA 14.0 washington state UNLV 2.5 wyoming usc 18.0 OREGON STATE UTAH 26.5 colorado state VIRGINIA 14.0 maryland virginia tech 10.5 NORTH CAROLINA WASHINGTON 1.0 arizona WEST VIRGINIA 28.5 temple WISCONSIN 6.0 minnesota"}, {"response": 76, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  6, 2004 (19:25)", "body": "This week's NFL lines: Sunday, November 7 - NFL BRONCOS 6.5 texans CHARGERS 6.0 saints chiefs 3.0 BUCCANEERS cowboys 1.5 BENGALS DOLPHINS 3.0 cardinals eagles 1.5 STEELERS GIANTS 9.0 bears jets 3.0 BILLS LIONS 3.5 redskins PANTHERS 7.0 raiders patriots 2.5 RAMS RAVENS 6.0 browns seahawks 7.0 NINERS Monday, November 8 - NFL COLTS 6.0 vikings Sorry I'm late!"}, {"response": 77, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 2004 (14:53)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score air force ARMY - 5.0 31-22 arizona WASHINGTON + 1.0 23-13 arkansas SOUTH CAROLINA + 3.5 32-35 baylor TEXAS TECH +31.0 17-42 BOWLING GREEN w michigan -30.0 52- 0 BRIGHAM YOUNG san diego state - 8.5 49-16 CENTRAL FLORIDA ohio + 3.5 16-17 OT cincinnati SO MISSISSIPPI + 6.0 52-24 clemson MIAMI FLA +17.5 24-17 OT colorado KANSAS + 3.5 30-21 duke FLORIDA STATE +31.0 7-29 E MICHIGAN c michigan + 1.5 61-58 4OT east carolina HOUSTON +14.5 24-34 florida VANDERBILT -12.5 34-17 fresno state RICE - 7.0 52-21 georgia KENTUCKY -24.0 62-17 georgia tech NO CAROLINA ST + 7.5 24-14 IDAHO arkansas state + 3.0 45-31 ILLINOIS indiana - 2.5 26-22 IOWA STATE nebraska + 5.5 34-27 kansas state MISSOURI + 5.0 35-24 kent state BUFFALO - 9.0 33- 7 LA MONROE utah state - 6.0 32-25 MID TENNESSEE ST new mexico st + 3.0 44-10 mississippi st ALABAMA +17.5 14-30 NEVADA san jose state -13.5 42-24 NORTH CAROLINA virginia tech +10.5 24-27 northwestern PENN STATE + 3.5 14- 7 notre dame TENNESSEE + 7.0 17-13 ohio state MICHIGAN STATE + 2.0 32-19 oregon CALIFORNIA +21.0 27-28 OREGON STATE usc +18.0 20-28 purdue IOWA + 4.5 21-23 rutgers BOSTON COLLEGE +14.5 10-21 SO METHODIST tulsa +12.0 41-35 OT stanford ARIZONA STATE +10.5 31-34 SYRACUSE pittsburgh - 4.5 38-31 2OT temple WEST VIRGINIA +28.5 21-42 TEXAS oklahoma state -13.0 56-35 TEXAS A&M oklahoma +12.0 35-42 TROY STATE fla atlantic -13.0 24- 6 TULANE navy +12.5 42-10 UTAH colorado state -26.5 63-31 VIRGINIA maryland -14.0 16- 0 washington state UCLA +14.0 31-29 WISCONSIN minnesota - 6.0 38-14 wyoming UNLV + 2.5 53-45 3OT"}, {"response": 78, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov  8, 2004 (14:53)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score bears GIANTS + 9.0 28-21 BENGALS cowboys + 1.5 26- 3 BILLS jets + 3.0 22-17 BRONCOS texans - 6.5 31-13 BUCCANEERS chiefs + 3.0 34-31 cardinals DOLPHINS + 3.0 24-23 CHARGERS saints - 6.0 43-17 patriots RAMS - 2.5 40-22 raiders PANTHERS + 7.0 27-24 RAVENS browns - 6.0 27-13 redskins LIONS + 3.5 17-10 seahawks NINERS - 7.0 42-27 STEELERS eagles + 1.5 27- 3"}, {"response": 79, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov  9, 2004 (11:55)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early Games - College NO ILLINOIS 6.5 toledo [Tue 11/9] LOUISVILLE 24.5 texas christian [Wed 11/10] ARKANSAS STATE 8.0 utah state [Thu 11/11] florida state 6.5 NO CAROLINA ST [Thu 11/11] FRESNO STATE 19.0 hawaii [Fri 11/12] MEMPHIS 5.0 so mississippi [Fri 11/12] Saturday, November 13 - College AIR FORCE 6.0 san diego state akron 1.0 OHIO ALA BIRMINGHAM 8.5 houston ARKANSAS 9.0 mississippi ARIZONA STATE 12.5 washington state AUBURN 5.0 georgia BALL STATE 3.5 central florida boise state 31.0 SAN JOSE STATE BRIGHAM YOUNG 6.5 new mexico BOWLING GREEN 10.0 marshall california 31.0 WASHINGTON c michigan 4.5 BUFFALO clemson 12.5 DUKE COLORADO STATE 6.5 unlv FLORIDA 7.0 south carolina FLA ATLANTIC 7.5 new mexico st GEORGIA TECH 9.0 connecticut kansas state 3.0 COLORADO KENT STATE 11.0 e michigan LOUISIANA STATE 7.5 alabama LOUISIANA TECH 5.0 tulsa miami ohio 20.0 W MICHIGAN MICHIGAN 13.5 northwestern MID TENNESSEE ST 6.5 la monroe MINNESOTA 3.0 iowa nevada 7.0 SO METHODIST NORTH TEXAS 17.5 idaho NOTRE DAME 11.0 pittsburgh OKLAHOMA 29.5 nebraska OKLAHOMA STATE 24.5 baylor OREGON 6.0 ucla oregon state pick STANFORD penn state 4.0 INDIANA PURDUE 4.0 ohio state SOUTH FLORIDA 11.5 east carolina syracuse 9.0 TEMPLE texas 21.5 KANSAS TEXAS A&M 2.5 texas tech TEXAS EL PASO 17.0 rice troy state 13.0 LA LAFAYETTE TULANE 6.0 army USC 34.5 arizona utah 22.5 WYOMING vanderbilt 1.5 KENTUCKY VIRGINIA 3.5 miami fla WAKE FOREST 5.0 north carolina WEST VIRGINIA 7.0 boston college wisconsin 8.0 MICHIGAN STATE"}, {"response": 80, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov  9, 2004 (11:55)", "body": "This week's NFL lines: Sunday, November 14 - NFL chiefs 4.5 SAINTS COLTS 9.5 texans FALCONS 3.5 buccaneers giants 2.5 CARDINALS JAGUARS 4.5 lions NINERS 1.0 panthers PATRIOTS 8.0 bills REDSKINS 3.0 bengals RAMS 1.0 seahawks steelers 4.0 BROWNS JETS NL ravens PACKERS NL vikings TITANS NL bears Monday, November 15 - NFL eagles 6.5 COWBOYS"}, {"response": 81, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 11, 2004 (07:14)", "body": "Sunday, November 14 - NFL PACKERS 4.0 vikings ravens 2.0 JETS"}, {"response": 82, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 11, 2004 (07:17)", "body": "Jorge 22,500 Bill 12,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Paul 4,500 No change! Bill split and UT exactly made the spread, they should get a \"C\" for comeback though, greatest comeback in the history of Texas football. Down 35-7 they came back to win by 14. What an amazing game. Cedric scored 5 rushing touchdowns and Vince Young set a record for most consecutive passes."}, {"response": 83, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Thu, Nov 11, 2004 (09:51)", "body": "Yo, Paul, I should be @ 27500 because I put 5000 on tu to bust the spread last week...... Jorge Antonio Pfreimpdter"}, {"response": 84, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 11, 2004 (12:44)", "body": "The spread was 14 and they won by 14 so they didn't beat the spread or not make the spread."}, {"response": 85, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Fri, Nov 12, 2004 (07:58)", "body": "Yo, Paul, The final score was UT 56, OSU 35. 56 - 35 = 21. The spread was 14, UT beat the spread. I should be @ 27,500. gaf"}, {"response": 86, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 12, 2004 (17:24)", "body": "You got it!"}, {"response": 87, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 12, 2004 (17:24)", "body": "Jorge 27,500 Bill 12,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Paul 4,500"}, {"response": 88, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Nov 13, 2004 (10:53)", "body": "Paul,thank you for the correction. Here's my chance to get rid of it.....I'll put 5000 virtual on UT to beat the 21.5 spread against Kansas. Hook 'em, Jorge antonio Pfreimpdter"}, {"response": 89, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Sat, Nov 13, 2004 (12:52)", "body": "Hey Paul: 5000 on USC. They are playing at home. Big spread however. 73, Bill"}, {"response": 90, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 14, 2004 (17:41)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score akron OHIO - 1.0 31-19 ALA BIRMINGHAM houston - 8.5 20- 7 ARIZONA STATE washington state -12.5 45-28 ARKANSAS mississippi - 9.0 35- 3 AUBURN georgia - 5.0 24- 6 BALL STATE central florida - 3.5 21-17 boston college WEST VIRGINIA + 7.0 36-17 BOWLING GREEN marshall -10.0 56-35 BUFFALO c michigan + 4.5 36- 6 COLORADO kansas state + 3.0 38-31 COLORADO STATE unlv - 6.5 45-10 DUKE clemson +12.5 16-13 FLORIDA south carolina - 7.0 48-14 GEORGIA TECH connecticut - 9.0 30-10 INDIANA penn state + 4.0 18-22 PUSH iowa MINNESOTA + 3.0 29-27 KANSAS texas +21.5 23-27 KENT STATE e michigan -11.0 69-17 KENTUCKY vanderbilt + 1.5 14-13 LA LAFAYETTE troy state +13.0 10-13 LOUISIANA STATE alabama - 7.5 26-10 LOUISIANA TECH tulsa - 5.0 38-21 miami fla VIRGINIA + 3.5 31-21 miami ohio W MICHIGAN -20.0 42-21 MICHIGAN northwestern -13.5 42-20 MICHIGAN STATE wisconsin + 8.0 49-14 MID TENNESSEE ST la monroe - 6.5 37-24 nebraska OKLAHOMA +29.5 3-30 new mexico BRIGHAM YOUNG + 6.5 21-14 new mexico st FLA ATLANTIC + 7.5 35- 7 north carolina WAKE FOREST + 5.0 31-24 NORTH TEXAS idaho -17.5 51-29 OKLAHOMA STATE baylor -24.5 49-21 oregon state STANFORD - 0.0 24-19 pittsburgh NOTRE DAME +11.0 41-38 PURDUE ohio state - 4.0 24-17 rice TEXAS EL PASO +17.0 28-35 OT san diego state AIR FORCE + 6.0 37-31 SAN JOSE STATE boise state +31.0 49-56 2OT SO METHODIST nevada + 7.0 38-20 SOUTH FLORIDA east carolina -11.5 41-17 TEMPLE syracuse + 9.0 34-24 TEXAS A&M texas tech - 2.5 32-25 OT TULANE army - 6.0 45-31 ucla OREGON + 6.0 34-26 USC arizona -34.5 49- 9 WASHINGTON california +31.0 12-42 WYOMING utah +22.5 28-45"}, {"response": 91, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 15, 2004 (08:29)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: bears TITANS + 5.5 19-17 OT bengals REDSKINS + 3.0 17-10 CARDINALS giants + 2.5 17-14 COLTS texans - 9.5 49-14 FALCONS buccaneers - 3.5 24-14 JAGUARS lions - 4.5 23-17 OT panthers NINERS + 1.0 37-27 PATRIOTS bills - 8.0 29- 6 RAMS seahawks - 1.0 23-12 ravens JETS - 2.0 20-17 OT SAINTS chiefs + 4.5 27-20 steelers BROWNS - 4.0 24-10 vikings PACKERS + 4.0 31-34"}, {"response": 92, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 17, 2004 (02:16)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, November 18 - College north texas 4.5 ARKANSAS STATE VIRGINIA TECH 10.0 maryland Saturday, November 20 - College ala birmingham 12.0 ARMY arkansas 9.5 MISSISSIPPI ST auburn 10.0 ALABAMA BOISE STATE 24.0 louisiana tech boston college 14.0 TEMPLE CALIFORNIA 24.0 stanford C MICHIGAN 3.0 ball state CINCINNATI 11.5 south florida CLEMSON 3.0 south carolina colorado state 1.5 AIR FORCE CONNECTICUT 25.0 buffalo FLORIDA STATE 7.0 florida FRESNO STATE 25.0 nevada HAWAII 21.0 idaho IOWA 3.0 wisconsin KANSAS STATE 11.0 iowa state LA MONROE 4.5 la lafayette LOUISIANA STATE 21.0 mississippi louisville 21.0 HOUSTON MARSHALL 26.5 w michigan memphis 15.5 EAST CAROLINA MIAMI FLA 18.5 wake forest miami ohio 8.0 AKRON michigan 5.5 OHIO STATE michigan state 3.5 PENN STATE MISSOURI 10.0 kansas NAVY 4.0 rutgers NEW MEXICO 8.0 wyoming new mexico st 5.0 UTAH STATE north carolina 5.5 DUKE no illinois 18.0 E MICHIGAN NORTHWESTERN 13.0 illinois oklahoma 34.0 BAYLOR OREGON STATE 3.5 oregon PURDUE 20.0 indiana SAN DIEGO STATE 10.0 unlv tennessee 13.0 VANDERBILT texas christian pick SO MISSISSIPPI TEXAS EL PASO 21.0 so methodist TROY STATE 13.5 mid tennessee st TULSA 10.5 san jose state UTAH 21.5 brigham young virginia 6.0 GEORGIA TECH WASHINGTON STATE 11.0 washington"}, {"response": 93, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 17, 2004 (02:17)", "body": "This week's NFL lines: Sunday, November 21 - NFL broncos 4.0 SAINTS BROWNS 1.0 jets BUCCANEERS 8.0 niners chargers 3.5 RAIDERS colts 7.0 BEARS EAGLES 11.0 redskins falcons 2.0 GIANTS JAGUARS 3.0 titans packers 3.0 TEXANS PANTHERS 2.5 cardinals rams 1.5 BILLS RAVENS 8.0 cowboys SEAHAWKS 10.0 dolphins steelers 4.5 BENGALS VIKINGS 7.5 lions Monday, November 22 - NFL patriots 3.0 CHIEFS"}, {"response": 94, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Thu, Nov 18, 2004 (16:12)", "body": "OK Paul, $5000 on OU to stomp Baylor. They are fighting for #2 slot and need to slaughter Baylor to stay there. George, what do you think??? 73, Bill p.s. No USC game this weekend. Get with Mickey on his National news coverage of a YL flood water rescue! Put a still shot on your web site!!!"}, {"response": 95, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 19, 2004 (07:10)", "body": "OK, will do. We have a celebrity among us!"}, {"response": 96, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 19, 2004 (07:21)", "body": "Thursday's college results: Winner Loser spread score north texas ARKANSAS STATE - 4.5 31- 7 VIRGINIA TECH maryland -10.0 55- 6"}, {"response": 97, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Nov 21, 2004 (09:11)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score AIR FORCE colorado state + 1.5 47-17 ALABAMA auburn +10.0 13-21 ARMY ala birmingham +12.0 14-20 ball state C MICHIGAN + 3.0 40-41 BOISE STATE louisiana tech -24.0 55-14 boston college TEMPLE -14.0 34-17 CALIFORNIA stanford -24.0 41- 6 CINCINNATI south florida -11.5 45-23 CLEMSON south carolina - 3.0 29- 7 CONNECTICUT buffalo -25.0 29- 0 E MICHIGAN no illinois +18.0 16-34 PUSH EAST CAROLINA memphis +15.5 35-38 florida FLORIDA STATE + 7.0 20-13 FRESNO STATE nevada -25.0 54-17 HAWAII idaho -21.0 52-21 illinois NORTHWESTERN +13.0 21-28 OT IOWA wisconsin - 3.0 30- 7 iowa state KANSAS STATE +11.0 37-23 kansas MISSOURI +10.0 31-14 la lafayette LA MONROE + 4.5 10-13 louisville HOUSTON -21.0 63-27 MIAMI FLA wake forest -18.5 52- 7 miami ohio AKRON - 8.0 37-27 mississippi LOUISIANA STATE +21.0 24-27 MISSISSIPPI ST arkansas + 9.5 21-24 NAVY rutgers - 4.0 54-21 north carolina DUKE - 5.5 40-17 OHIO STATE michigan + 5.5 37-21 oklahoma BAYLOR -34.0 35- 0 OREGON STATE oregon - 3.5 50-21 PENN STATE michigan state + 3.5 37-13 PURDUE indiana -20.0 63-24 SAN DIEGO STATE unlv -10.0 21- 3 san jose state TULSA +10.5 24-34 SO MISSISSIPPI texas christian + 0.0 42-17 TEXAS EL PASO so methodist -21.0 57-27 TROY STATE mid tennessee st -13.5 37-17 UTAH brigham young -21.5 52-21 UTAH STATE new mexico st + 5.0 34-25 VANDERBILT tennessee +13.0 33-38 virginia GEORGIA TECH - 6.0 30-10 w michigan MARSHALL +26.5 21-31 washington WASHINGTON STATE +11.0 25-28 wyoming NEW MEXICO + 8.0 9-16 Texas didn't play."}, {"response": 98, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Nov 22, 2004 (11:42)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BILLS rams + 1.5 37-17 broncos SAINTS - 4.0 34-13 BUCCANEERS niners - 8.0 35- 3 chargers RAIDERS - 3.5 23-17 colts BEARS - 7.0 41-10 dolphins SEAHAWKS +10.0 17-24 EAGLES redskins -11.0 28- 6 falcons GIANTS - 2.0 14-10 jets BROWNS + 1.0 10- 7 lions VIKINGS + 7.5 19-22 PANTHERS cardinals - 2.5 35-10 RAVENS cowboys - 8.0 30-10 steelers BENGALS - 4.5 19-14 TEXANS packers + 3.0 13-16 PUSH titans JAGUARS + 3.0 18-15"}, {"response": 99, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Tue, Nov 23, 2004 (16:50)", "body": "OK Paul, we need the line for the two big college games this weekend. UT - A&M USC - Notre Dame. 73, Bill"}, {"response": 100, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 2004 (14:41)", "body": "This week's pro lines: Thursday, November 25 - NFL colts 8.5 LIONS COWBOYS 3.5 bears Sunday, November 28 - NFL BENGALS 5.5 browns BRONCOS 11.0 raiders buccaneers 2.5 PANTHERS eagles 7.0 GIANTS FALCONS 9.5 saints jets 3.0 CARDINALS STEELERS 11.0 redskins titans 1.0 TEXANS VIKINGS 6.0 jaguars CHIEFS NL chargers NINERS NL dolphins PATRIOTS NL ravens SEAHAWKS NL bills Monday, November 29 - NFL PACKERS 6.0 rams"}, {"response": 101, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Nov 24, 2004 (14:42)", "body": "This week's college lines: Tuesday, November 23 - College bowling green 4.5 TOLEDO kent state 8.5 CENTRAL FLORIDA Thursday, November 25 - College connecticut 3.0 RUTGERS west virginia 3.0 PITTSBURGH Friday, November 26 - College arizona state 14.0 ARIZONA louisiana state 4.0 ARKANSAS MARYLAND 6.5 wake forest NEBRASKA 2.5 colorado TEXAS 10.5 texas a&m Saturday, November 27 - College boise state 26.0 NEVADA BOSTON COLLEGE 11.5 syracuse fresno state 26.0 SAN JOSE STATE GEORGIA 15.5 georgia tech IOWA STATE 4.5 missouri LOUISVILLE 17.0 cincinnato memphis 3.5 SOUTH FLORIDA northwestern 6.0 HAWAII SO MISSISSIPPI 1.5 ala birmingham TENNESSEE 23.5 kentucky TEXAS CHRISTIAN 12.5 tulane texas el paso 8.5 TULSA TEXAS TECH 5.5 oklahoma state USC 22.0 notre dame VIRGINIA TECH 4.5 virginia"}, {"response": 102, "author": "fransv", "date": "Thu, Nov 25, 2004 (19:16)", "body": "my last 30.000 on notre dame. I'm still living \"howdi\"all ??? Can some one tell me place waths happend ??? George tell me by mail !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still Frans."}, {"response": 103, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Nov 25, 2004 (20:40)", "body": "Frans! You only have 7,500 to start. Your previous seasons winnings don't carry over. So is it 7500 on the Fighting Irish?"}, {"response": 104, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (08:52)", "body": "Winner Loser spread score connecticut RUTGERS - 3.0 41-35 PITTSBURGH west virginia + 3.0 16-13 Thanksgiving NFL results: Winner Loser spread score colts LIONS - 8.5 41- 9 COWBOYS bears - 3.5 21- 7"}, {"response": 105, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (10:29)", "body": "Good morning sports fans!!!!! I will put my entire virtual worth of 27,700 on the mighty UT longhorns to beat the 10.5 point spread awareed to the no count aggies, girly men, sissy boys.... Hook 'em,Jorge Anonio Pfreimpdter"}, {"response": 106, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (11:40)", "body": "Good to hear from Frans! But he made the wrong choice! $15000 on USC Paul. Don't want to bet on the UT game today. Good luck George. That 1/2 point is a killer. 73, Bill p.s. I think I have that much??"}, {"response": 107, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (14:31)", "body": "Jorge 22,500 Bill 15,000 Frans 7,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Paul 4,500"}, {"response": 108, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov 27, 2004 (09:23)", "body": "Friday's college results: ARIZONA arizona state +14.0 34-27 colorado NEBRASKA + 2.5 26-20 louisiana state ARKANSAS - 4.0 43-14 TEXAS texas a&m -10.5 26-13"}, {"response": 109, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Nov 27, 2004 (09:35)", "body": "Paul, Check your docs. As of 11/13/04 I had 27,500. I bet it all to beat the spread UT vrs a&m. My balance should be 55,000. THX, gaf"}, {"response": 110, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Nov 30, 2004 (07:17)", "body": "Jorge 55,000 Bill 15,000 Frans 7,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Paul 4,500 > >> >"}, {"response": 111, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  1, 2004 (08:45)", "body": "This week's college lines: Thursday, December 2 - College miami ohio 2.0 TOLEDO [MAC Championship] Saturday, December 4 - College AUBURN 13.0 tennessee [SEC Championship] california 22.5 SO MISSISSIPPI louisville 28.0 TULANE MIAMI FLA 7.0 virginia tech michigan state 6.5 HAWAII NAVY 13.0 army OKLAHOMA 21.5 colorado [Big 12 Championship] pittsburgh 7.0 SOUTH FLORIDA usc 22.0 UCLA"}, {"response": 112, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  1, 2004 (08:45)", "body": "This week's NFL lines: Sunday, December 5 - NFL bills 3.5 DOLPHINS BUCCANEERS 1.5 falcons CHARGERS 2.5 broncos COLTS 10.5 titans EAGLES 6.5 packers LIONS 6.0 cardinals patriots 7.5 BROWNS RAMS 10.5 niners RAVENS 7.0 bengals REDSKINS 2.0 giants SAINTS 1.5 panthers steelers 3.0 JAGUARS vikings 7.0 BEARS JETS NL texans RAIDERS NL chiefs Monday, December 6 - NFL SEAHAWKS 7.0 cowboys"}, {"response": 113, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Wed, Dec  1, 2004 (16:28)", "body": "Paul: I am glad you are not a real bookie. I don't think mine is right either. Haven't had time to double check. Another 22 point spread. Thinking. 73, Bill"}, {"response": 114, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Dec  1, 2004 (18:27)", "body": "I'm going to let you tally your own scores at the end of each week and report back on this topic. I'll post the spreads. Where's Joe and Frans?"}, {"response": 115, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Thu, Dec  2, 2004 (17:37)", "body": "Hey Paul: Should be at 37,500. (Got the $5K on USC/Ariz and $5K OU/Baylor and $15K on USC over Notre Dame (ooh - I liked that one!!). 73, Bill What's the odds that Texas goes to BCS????"}, {"response": 116, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec  3, 2004 (06:41)", "body": "Jorge 55,000 Bill 37,500 Frans 7,500 Mickey 7,500 Bob 7,500 Paul 4,500 No odds on that one yet. Sunday, December 5 - NFL chiefs pick RAIDERS Thursday's college results: Winner Loser spread score TOLEDO miami ohio + 2.0 35-27 MAC Championship 4000 Colts"}, {"response": 117, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec  5, 2004 (08:13)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score HAWAII michigan state + 6.5 41-38 louisville TULANE -28.0 55- 7 NAVY army -13.0 42-13 OKLAHOMA colorado -21.5 42- 3 Big 12 Championship pittsburgh SOUTH FLORIDA - 7.0 43-14 SO MISSISSIPPI california +22.5 16-26 tennessee AUBURN +13.0 28-38 SEC Championship UCLA usc +22.0 24-29 virginia tech MIAMI FLA + 7.0 16-10"}, {"response": 118, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  6, 2004 (11:59)", "body": "Sunday's NFL results: Winner Loser spread score BEARS vikings + 7.0 24-14 bengals RAVENS + 7.0 27-26 bills DOLPHINS - 3.5 42-32 BUCCANEERS falcons - 1.5 27- 0 CHARGERS broncos - 2.5 20-17 chiefs RAIDERS - 0.0 34-27 COLTS titans -10.5 51-24 EAGLES packers - 6.5 47-10 JAGUARS steelers + 3.0 16-17 JETS texans - 6.5 29- 7 LIONS cardinals - 6.0 26-12 niners RAMS +10.5 6-16 panthers SAINTS + 1.5 32-21 patriots BROWNS - 7.5 42-15 REDSKINS giants - 2.0 31- 7 Home team is in CAPS"}, {"response": 119, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec  6, 2004 (12:24)", "body": "The bowl season has been finalized: 12/14 New Orleans So Mississippi - North Texas 12/21 Champs Sports Georgia Tech - Syracuse 12/22 GMAC Memphis - Bowling Green 12/23 Fort Worth Marshall - Cincinnati 12/24 Las Vegas UCLA - Wyoming 12/24 Hawaii Hawaii - UAB 12/27 MPC Fresno State - Virginia 12/27 Motor City Toledo - Connecticut 12/28 Independence Miami Ohio - Iowa State 12/28 Insight.com Oregon State - Notre Dame 12/29 Houston Texas El Paso - Colorado 12/29 Alamo Oklahoma State - Ohio State 12/30 Cont. Tire North Carolina - Boston College 12/30 Emerald Navy - New Mexico 12/30 Holiday California - Texas Tech 12/30 Silicon Valley No Illinois - Troy State 12/31 Music City Alabama - Minnesota 12/31 Sun Arizona State - Purdue 12/31 Liberty Louisville - Boise State 12/31 Peach Miami Fla - Florida 1/ 1 Outback Georgia - Wisconsin 1/ 1 Cotton Tennessee - Texas A&M 1/ 1 Gator Florida State - West Virginia 1/ 1 Capital One Louisiana State - Iowa 1/ 1 Rose Texas - Michigan 1/ 1 Fiesta Utah - Pittsburgh 1/ 3 Sugar Auburn - Virginia Tech 1/ 4 Orange USC - Oklahoma"}, {"response": 120, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Dec  7, 2004 (14:14)", "body": "Hi Paul Hi Paul just to let you know I am Back been in Hospital again. when I get Broadband back I will have my link back up and running and I will take in 2005 football. Joe"}, {"response": 121, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec  7, 2004 (16:48)", "body": "Glad you are out of the hospital! The big question Joe, who is your virtual money on? Inquiring minds need to know."}, {"response": 122, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Dec  7, 2004 (16:50)", "body": "Monday's NFL result: cowboys SEAHAWKS + 7.0 43-39 I have this game on Tivo. It was one of the best of the year."}, {"response": 123, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec  9, 2004 (03:21)", "body": "Here's the lines for the college bowl season: SO MISSISSIPPI 5.5 north texas Tue 12/14 - New Orleans Bowl GEORGIA TECH 4.5 syracuse Tue 12/21 - Champs Sports BOWLING GREEN 4.5 memphis Wed 12/22 - GMAC CINCINNATI 2.0 marshall Thu 12/23 - Fort Worth UCLA 12.5 wyoming Thu 12/23 - Las Vegas HAWAII 3.5 ala birmingham Fri 12/24 - Hawaii VIRGINIA 5.5 fresno state Mon 12/27 - MPC TOLEDO 3.5 connecticut Mon 12/27 - Motor City MIAMI OHIO 3.0 iowa state Tue 12/28 - Independence OREGON STATE 3.5 notre dame Tue 12/28 - Insight COLORADO 2.5 texas el paso Wed 12/29 - Houston OKLAHOMA STATE 1.5 ohio state Wed 12/29 - Alamo NORTH CAROLINA 3.5 boston college Thu 12/30 - Cont. Tire NEW MEXICO 2.5 navy Thu 12/30 - Emerald CALIFORNIA 11.5 texas tech Thu 12/30 - Holiday NO ILLINOIS 1.0 troy state Thu 12/30 - Silicon Valley ALABAMA 3.5 minnesota Fri 12/31 - Music City PURDUE 7.5 arizona state Fri 12/31 - Sun LOUISVILLE 14.5 boise state Fri 12/31 - Liberty MIAMI FLA 2.5 florida Fri 12/31 - Peach GEORGIA 6.5 wisconsin Sat 1/ 1 - Outback TEXAS A&M 3.0 tennessee Sat 1/ 1 - Cotton FLORIDA STATE 8.5 west virginia Sat 1/ 1 - Gator LOUISIANA STATE 7.0 iowa Sat 1/ 1 - Capital One TEXAS 5.5 michigan Sat 1/ 1 - Rose UTAH 16.5 pittsburgh Sat 1/ 1 - Fiesta AUBURN 6.5 virginia tech Mon 1/ 3 - Sugar USC 3.0 oklahoma Tue 1/ 4 - Orange"}, {"response": 124, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Dec 16, 2004 (17:43)", "body": "This week's NFL lines: Saturday, December 18 - NFL FALCONS 3.5 panthers redskins 3.5 NINERS steelers 10.0 GIANTS Sunday, December 19 - NFL BEARS 1.0 texans bills pick BENGALS BUCCANEERS 7.5 saints chargers 10.0 BROWNS CHIEFS 1.5 broncos COLTS 8.0 ravens EAGLES 12.5 cowboys PACKERS 3.5 jaguars rams 1.5 CARDINALS JETS 6.0 seahawks vikings 3.0 LIONS RAIDERS NL titans Monday, December 20 - NFL patriots 9.0 DOLPHINS"}, {"response": 125, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Dec 24, 2004 (14:13)", "body": "Seasons Greetings to all Joe G0PWE"}, {"response": 126, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Mon, Dec 27, 2004 (16:45)", "body": "Ok, got the echolink resurrected. Looks like the old ISA soundcard is on its last legs. I could use a PCI one. Paul, you got one in the junk box? For now, it's stable. Looking over the games, 73, Bill"}, {"response": 127, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Dec 27, 2004 (20:39)", "body": "Seasons greetings from Canada."}, {"response": 128, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 2004 (10:30)", "body": "The final college lines: Early Games - College Bowls MIAMI OHIO 3.0 iowa state [Independence - Tue 12/28] OREGON STATE 3.5 notre dame [Insight - Tue 12/28] COLORADO 2.5 texas el paso [Houston - Wed 12/29] OKLAHOMA STATE 1.5 ohio state [Alamo - Wed 12/29] NORTH CAROLINA 3.5 boston college [Cont. Tire - Thu 12/30] NEW MEXICO 2.5 navy [Emerald - Thu 12/30] CALIFORNIA 11.5 texas tech [Holiday - Thu 12/30] NO ILLINOIS 1.0 troy state [Silicon Valley - Thu 12/30] ALABAMA 3.5 minnesota [Music City - Fri 12/31] PURDUE 7.5 arizona state [Sun - Fri 12/31] LOUISVILLE 14.5 boise state [Liberty - Fri 12/31] MIAMI FLA 2.5 florida [Peach - Fri 12/31] Saturday, January 1 - College Bowls GEORGIA 6.5 wisconsin [Outback] TEXAS A&M 3.0 tennessee [Cotton] FLORIDA STATE 8.5 west virginia [Gator] LOUISIANA STATE 7.0 iowa [Capital One] TEXAS 5.5 michigan [Rose] UTAH 16.5 pittsburgh [Fiesta] Final Games - College Bowls AUBURN 6.5 virginia tech [Sugar - Mon 1/3] USC 3.0 oklahoma [Orange - Tue 1/4]"}, {"response": 129, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 2004 (10:30)", "body": "This week's NFL lines: Sunday, January 2 - NFL BEARS 3.0 packers BILLS 7.0 steelers BRONCOS 9.0 colts CARDINALS 2.5 buccaneers chiefs 3.0 CHARGERS GIANTS 3.0 cowboys lions 3.0 TITANS PANTHERS 7.5 saints PATRIOTS 14.0 niners RAMS 2.5 jets RAVENS 10.0 dolphins SEAHAWKS 5.5 falcons TEXANS 10.5 browns vikings 6.0 REDSKINS EAGLES NL bengals RAIDERS NL jaguars"}, {"response": 130, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 2004 (10:31)", "body": "Winner Loser spread score iowa state MIAMI OHIO + 3.0 17-13 Independence - Tue 12/28 OREGON STATE notre dame - 3.5 38-21 Insight - Tue 12/28"}, {"response": 131, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 2004 (10:31)", "body": "COLORADO texas el paso - 2.5 33-28 Houston ohio state OKLAHOMA STATE + 1.5 33- 7 Alamo"}, {"response": 132, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec 31, 2004 (10:32)", "body": "Thursday's college results: boston college NORTH CAROLINA + 3.5 37-24 Cont. Tire - Thu 12/30 navy NEW MEXICO + 2.5 34-19 Emerald - Thu 12/30 texas tech CALIFORNIA +11.5 45-31 Holiday - Thu 12/30 troy state NO ILLINOIS + 1.0 34-21 Silicon Valley - Thu 12/30 Wow, that Texas Tech win over Cal really pumps up the Longhorns. Does this end the Mac Brown BCS hype controversy? I would think so. What a shocker."}, {"response": 133, "author": "legaffe2", "date": "Sat, Jan  1, 2005 (13:58)", "body": "happy new year 2005 to all I bet 55,000, my entire virtual savings, on UT Austin to beat the 5.5 spread over Michigan. Arriba UT!!!! Signed, Hook 'em, Jorge Antonio Pfriempdter."}, {"response": 134, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jan  1, 2005 (15:49)", "body": "Good luck, game time is in about an hour. These teams have never met before, ever."}, {"response": 135, "author": "K5AXW", "date": "Tue, Jan  4, 2005 (19:39)", "body": "OK Paul, The whole bag (37500) on USC! 73, Bill"}, {"response": 136, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 16, 2005 (08:43)", "body": "Bill 30,000 Paul 4,500 Jorge 0 Everything on the Vikings."}, {"response": 137, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jan 16, 2005 (08:45)", "body": "Saturday, January 15 - NFL STEELERS 9.5 jets FALCONS 6.5 rams Sunday, January 16 - NFL EAGLES 9.5 vikings PATRIOTS 2.5 colts"}, {"response": 138, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jan 19, 2005 (12:35)", "body": "Well, I'm wiped out. Keeping George company. Looks like it's Bill unless someone else jumps in and tries to do a playoff superbowl run for it. Sunday, January 23 - NFL EAGLES 4.5 falcons [NFC Championship 3pm] patriots 3.0 STEELERS [AFC Championship 630pm]"}, {"response": 139, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jan 25, 2005 (10:30)", "body": "Philly vs. New England in the Superbowl. Early line is Patriots by 7. Official line to come. Don't bet using this! sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 72, "subject": "Dallas Mavericks", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 73, "subject": "Hockey", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 27, 2005 (04:05)", "body": "The NHL and its players' union met informally yesterday. They will meet again this week. By Tim Panaccio. No news is good news? http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/hockey/nhl/10743325.htm"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jan 27, 2005 (04:06)", "body": "http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/hockey/nhl/10743325.htm The NHL and its players' union met informally yesterday. They will meet again this week. By Tim Panaccio Inquirer Staff Writer No news is good news? Or maybe it means nothing at all. The NHL and the NHL Players' Association met for 51/2 hours yesterday at a secret location in Toronto to talk about issues related to their stalemate on a collective-bargaining agreement. The lockout is entering its 134th day this morning. Both sides said they would meet again. One source said it would be in the next 48 hours. Neither side had much of substance to say when yesterday's meeting ended about 6 p.m. \"The meeting has concluded for the day, and we will meet again this week,\" Bill Daly, the NHL's executive vice president and chief legal officer, said in a statement. \"We have no further comment at this time.\" Daly would not say what day or where the sides would meet next. Ted Saskin, the union's senior director, was equally secretive. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 74, "subject": "bocce", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 28, 2005 (08:03)", "body": "Bocce is an ancient game, its birth lost in the shadows of antiquity. Some authorities claim it originated in Egypt about 5200 B.C.; others, that the game was started in Greece during the 6th Century B.C. The most reliable sources agree that Bocce, as we know it today, was played between battles during Rome's Punic Wars against Carthage, which started in 264 B.C. Soldiers selected a small stone called a \"leader\" and threw it first. Then larger stones would be thrown at the \"leader\" and the stone coming closest to it would score. The game provided exercise and relaxation for the soldiers. Teams were composed of two, four, six, or eight men and the score would vary from 16 to 24 points per game. The game continued to be played until 1319 when Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV ordered its discontinuance as he thought that, because of its popularity, it would interfere with sports of a more military nature. Years later the prohibition was lifted when the Medical Faculty at Montepelier, France, declared that Bocce was the best exercise to prevent rheumatism. An interesting historical note on Bocce claims that the English Admiral, Sir Francis Drake, was informed of the approaching Spanish Armada while playing a game of Bocce. Drake, in his usual cool manner, replied: \"First, we finish the game; then we have time for the Invincible Armada.\" Bocce was played throughout Europe. Emperors, Admirals, Generals, poets, sculptors, scientists and men from all stations of life were active participants in the sport. It was a favorite with Giuseppe Garibaldi. Throughout history innumerable Bocce games have been played in the streets, alleys, squares and country greens of every European country and in North and South America. Lovers of Bocce will play wherever there is adequate space available. Pennsylvanians are fortunate in their Bocce facilities. In Philadelphia alone there are 17 Bocce Clubs. There are many other clubs throughout the state. The second, shorter more lighthearted account comes from Michael Kilian of the Chicago Tribune. Some historians claim bocce dates back 7,000 years. The Egyptians played it when they weren't struggling with pyramid stones, and the Romans picked it up from them (I don't think Cleopatra did, however, as it's not a game you can play in bed). The barbarians within the Roman Empire took a liking to it \ufffd the Gauls producing a French version called \"boule.\" The English, who never quite got the hang of things, turned it into the tacky pastime you see on television's \"Championship Bowling.\" Unlike \"Championship Bowling,\" bocce is not a game of roll, slam, crash, rack and have another brewski. It's a true sport involving skill, fitness, strategy and cunning. from http://www.bocce.com/boccehistory.htm , sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 75, "subject": "disc golf", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jan 28, 2005 (11:30)", "body": "Here's how you find a disc golf course near you: http://pdga.com/course/index.php And another good resource is http://directory.google.com/Top/Sports/Flying_Discs/Disc_Golf/ sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 76, "subject": "Lance Armstrong and bicycling as a sport", "response_count": 39, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (08:42)", "body": "I see Lance is the poster boy for light rail in Austin now. It's not a popular cause. It will be interesting to see what the voters say? Anyone here have light rail in their cities?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct 17, 2000 (20:08)", "body": "No, but it is being considered for Honolulu... That finite island is a nightmare of monumental traffic proportions."}, {"response": 3, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Fri, Nov 17, 2000 (12:48)", "body": "Is 'light rail' commuter and subway trains? If so... Boston MBTA Commuter (AMTRAK) allows bikes to roll on during no-peak times. I hear some of the subway lines allow it (though the GREEN line is not one of them). In NYC you can tak your bike on the subway anytime you can get it to fit."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Apr 30, 2001 (00:40)", "body": "In Austin they have racks for bikes on the fronts of buses."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jul 11, 2002 (10:43)", "body": "From an amazing New Yorker piece. July 11, 2002 | home THE LONG RIDE by MICHAEL SPECTER How did Lance Armstrong manage the greatest comeback in sports history? Issue of 2002-07-15 Posted 2002-07-08 A couple of weeks ago, on a sweltering Saturday afternoon, I found myself in the passenger seat of a small Volkswagen, careering so rapidly around the hairpin turns of the French Alps that I could smell the tires burning. Johan Bruyneel, the suave, unflappable director of the United States Postal Service Pro Cycling Team, was behind the wheel. Driving at ninety kilometres an hour occupied half his attention. The rest was devoted to fiddling with a small television mounted in the dashboard, examining a set of complicated topographical maps, and talking into one of two radio transmitters in the car. The first connected Bruyneel to the team's support vehicle, laden with extra bicycles, water bottles, power bars, and other tools and equipment. The second fed into the earpieces of the eight U.S. Postal Service cyclists who were racing along the switchbacks ahead of us. The entire team could hear every word that Bruyneel said, but most of the time he was talking to just one man: Lance Armstrong. We had been on the road for about three hours and Armstrong was a kilometre in front of us, pedalling so fast that it was hard to keep up. It was the sixth day of the Dauphin\ufffd Lib\ufffdr\ufffd, a weeklong race that is run in daily stages. Armstrong doesn't enter races like the Dauphin\ufffd to win (though often enough he does); he enters to test his legs in preparation for a greater goal\ufffdthe Tour de France. Since 1998, when he returned to cycling after almost losing his life to testicular cancer, Armstrong has focussed exclusively on dominating the thirty-five-hundred-kilometre, nearly month-long Tour, which, in the world of cycling, matters more than all other races combined. This week, he begins a quest to become the fourth person in the hundred-year-history of the Tour\ufffdthe world's most gruelling test of human endurance\ufffdto win four times in a row. (In 1995, the Spanish cyclist Miguel Indurain became the first to win five consecutively\ufffda record that is clearly on Armstrong's mind.) The cyclists had covered a hundred and eight kilometres, much of it over mountain passes still capped with snow, despite temperatures edging into the nineties. Now the peloton\ufffdthe term is French for \"platoon,\" and it describes the pack of riders who make up the main group in every race\ufffdwas about to start one of the most agonizing climbs in Europe, the pass between Mont Blanc and Lake Geneva, which is known as the Col de Joux Plane. In cycling, climbs are rated according to how long and steep they are: the easiest is category four, the hardest category one. The seventeen-hundred-metre Joux Plane has a special rating, known as hors categorie, or beyond category; for nearly twelve kilometres, it rises so sharply that it seems a man could get to the top only by helicopter. \"We start the Joux Plane with a lot of respect for this mountain,\" Bruyneel said quietly into his radio. \"It is long, it is hard. Take it easy. If people are breaking away, let them go. Do you hear me, Lance?\" \"Yes, Johan,\" Armstrong replied flatly. \"I remember the mountain.\" With only a few days remaining in the 2000 Tour de France, Armstrong had what most observers agreed was an insurmountable lead when he headed toward this pass. He was riding with his two main rivals of that year: Marco Pantani, the best-known Italian cyclist, and Jan Ullrich, the twenty-eight-year-old German who won the Tour in 1997, and who in the world of cycling plays the role of Joe Frazier to Armstrong's Ali. As they started to climb, Armstrong seemed invincible. Halfway up, though, he slumped over his handlebars, looking as if he had suffered a stroke, and Ullrich blew right by him. \"I bonked,\" Armstrong said later, using a cyclist's term for running out of fuel. A professional cyclist consumes so much energy\ufffdup to ten thousand calories during a two-hundred-kilometre mountain stage\ufffdthat, unless some of it is replaced, his body will run through all the glycogen (the principal short-term supply of carbohydrates the body uses for power) stored in his muscles. Armstrong hadn't eaten properly that morning; then he found himself cut off from his domestiques\ufffdthe teammates who, among other things, are responsible for bringing him supplies of food and water during the race. \"That was the hardest day of my life on a bike,\" Armstrong said later. He was lucky to finish the day's stage, and even luckier to hold on and win the race. \"This isn't just a stage in a race for Lance,\" Bruyneel said now, as Armstrong approached the bottom of the slope. \"He needs to defeat this mountain to feel ready for the Tour.\" This time, Bruyneel made sure that the domestiques ferried water, carbohydrate drinks, and extra power bars to Armstrong throughout the day. They periodically drifted back to our car and performed a kind of high-speed docking maneuv"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jul 11, 2002 (10:45)", "body": "Lance Armstrong's heart is almost a third larger than that of an average man. During those rare moments when he is at rest, it beats about thirty-two times a minute\ufffdslowly enough so that a doctor who knew nothing about him would call a hospital as soon as he heard it. (When Armstrong is exerting himself, his heart rate can edge up above two hundred beats a minute.) Physically, he was a prodigy. Born in 1971, Armstrong was raised by his mother in Plano, a drab suburb of Dallas that he quickly came to despise. He never knew his father, and refers to him as \"the DNA donor.\" He has written that \"the main thing you need to know about my childhood is that I never had a real father, but I never sat around wishing for one, either. . . . I've never had a single conversation with my mother about him.\" He was a willful child and didn't like to listen to advice. \"I have loved him every minute of his life, but, God, there were times when it was a struggle,\" his mother, Linda, told me. She is a demure woman with the kind of big blond hair once favored by wives of astronauts. \"He has always wanted to test the boundaries,\" she said. Armstrong admits that he was never an easy child. In his autobiography, \"It's Not About the Bike,\" which was written with the journalist Sally Jenkins, he said, \"When I was a boy I invented a game called fireball, which entailed soaking a tennis ball in kerosene, lighting it on fire, and playing catch with it.\" Armstrong was an outstanding young swimmer, and as an adolescent he began to enter triathlons. By 1987, when he was sixteen, he was also winning bicycle races. That year, he was invited to the Cooper Institute, in Dallas, which was one of the first centers to recognize the relationship between fitness and aerobic conditioning. Everyone uses oxygen to break down food into the components that provide energy; the more oxygen you are able to use, the more energy you will produce, and the faster you can run, ride, or swim. Armstrong was given a test called the VO2 Max, which is commonly used to assess an athlete's aerobic ability: it measures the maximum amount of oxygen the lungs can consume during exercise. His levels were the highest ever recorded at the clinic. (Currently, they are about eighty-five millilitres per kilogram of body weight; a healthy man might have a VO2 Max of forty.) Chris Carmichael, who became his coach when Armstrong was still a teen-ager, told me that even then Armstrong was among the most remarkable athletes he had ever seen. Not only has his cardiovascular strength always been exceptional; his body seems specially constructed for cycling. His thigh bones are unusually long, for example, which permits him to apply just the right amount of torque to the pedals. Although Armstrong was talented, he wasn't very disciplined. He acted as if he had nothing to learn. \"I had never met him when I took over as his coach,\" Carmichael told me. \"I called him up and we talked on the phone. He was kind of rude. Not kind of rude. He was completely rude. He was, like, 'So you are the new coach\ufffdwhat are you going to teach me?' He just thought he was King Shit. I would tell him to wait till the end of a race before making a break. He just couldn't do that. He would get out in front and set the pace. He would burn up the field, and when other riders came alive he would be done, spent.\" Still, Armstrong did well in one-day races, in which bursts of energy count as much as patience or tactical precision. In 1991, after several years of increasingly impressive performances, he became the U.S. amateur champion, and the next year he turned pro. In 1993, he became the youngest man ever to win a stage in the Tour de France; he won the World Road Championships the same year. In 1996, Armstrong signed a contract with the French cycling team Cofidis, for a salary of more than two million dollars over two years. He had a beautiful new home in Austin, and a Porsche that he liked to drive fast. Then, in September, he became unusually weak and felt soreness in one of his testicles. Since soreness is a part of any cyclist's life, he didn't give it much thought. One night later that month, however, several days after his twenty-fifth birthday, he felt something metallic in his throat while he was talking on the phone. He put his friend on hold, and ran into the bathroom. \"I coughed into the sink,\" he later wrote. \"It splattered with blood. I coughed again, and spit up another stream of red. I couldn't believe the mass of blood and clotted matter had come from my own body.\" Within a week, Armstrong had surgery to remove the cancerous testicle. By then, the disease had spread to his lungs, abdomen, and brain. He needed brain surgery and the most aggressive type of chemotherapy. \"At that point, he had a minority chance of living another year,\" Craig Nichols, who was Armstrong's principal oncologist, told me. \"We cure at most a third of the people in situations like that.\" A professor at Oregon Health Scie"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jul 16, 2002 (20:55)", "body": "http://www.olntv.com/listenlive.html (a frame in http://www.letour.fr/2002/us/index.html ) This is great! There's a *live webcast* of the Tour de France. No commercials. You need WMP. Here's the schedule. Wednesday, July 17 - Stage 10 9:30am-11:30am ET Thursday, July 18 - Stage 11 8:30am-11:30am ET Friday, July 19 - Stage 12 8:30am-11:30am ET Saturday, July 20 - Stage 13 9:30am-11:30am ET Sunday, July 21 - Stage 14 9:30am-11:30am ET Monday, July 22 - Rest Day No Live Audio Tuesday, July 23 - Stage 15 9:30am-11:30am ET Wednesday, July 24 - Stage 16 7:30am-11:30am ET Thursday, July 25 - Stage 17 8:30am-11:30am ET Friday, July 26 - Stage 18 9:30am-11:30am ET Saturday, July 27 - Stage 19 9:30am-11:30am ET Sunday, July 28 - Stage 20 9:30am-11:30am ET"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jul 19, 2002 (22:18)", "body": "The New Yorker article. It was great. Did I say. It was great. They pointed out that Lance's resting pulse is 32 beats per minute, his heart is a third bigger than the average mans, and his thigh bones are the perfect height for pumping pedals, which is pumps about 100 times a minute on hard mountain climbs. I encountered him at BookPeople at Central Market one time. I was walking out of the store and he spotted me and held the door open for me when I was about 40 feet away, he smiled and strode off across the parking lot. I got the impression of a small but exceeding powerful and conscious man. He's friends with Robin Williams, another cyclist. Did you catch his comments on Lance in the HBO Special (\"he' not on chemicals, you idiots . . . he's on *chemo* . . . having his testicle removed makes him more aerodynamic. Here's an article on his rigorous training regimen: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/29/sports/othersports/29LANC.html Here are some super places to follow the rest of the Tour de France, about ten more days. http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/tdf2001/ webcast audio and comprehensive covrage http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2002/tour02/?id=stages/stage11 http://www.olntv.com/listenlive.html and http://www.letour.fr/2002/us/index.html And finally the great NYer article: http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/020715fa_fact1"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jul 21, 2002 (23:35)", "body": "Surprise! oln blew away CBS today with it's coverage of the Tour de France. Lance came in third but he about doubled his overall lead to 4 minutes and something. What a powerful stretch drive by Austin's cycling powerhouse up France's most daunting challenge of the Tour de France. The Spaniard challenged him and he just turned on the afterburners and it was bye bye to the rest of the pack."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jul 25, 2002 (11:25)", "body": "Lance maintains a plus 5 minute lead over Botero with two others neaby. Thursday, July 25 - Stage 17 8:30am-11:30am ET -Live! 3:00pm-5:00pm ET - Re-air of live coverage 9:00pm-11:00pm ET / 10:00pm-12:00am PT - Commentary & analysis of day's stage Friday, July 26 - Stage 18 9:30am-11:30am ET -Live! 3:00pm-5:00pm ET - Re-air of live coverage 9:00pm-11:00pm ET / 10:00pm-12:00am PT - Commentary & analysis of day's stage Saturday, July 27 - Stage 19 9:30am-11:30am ET -Live! 3:00pm-5:00pm ET - Re-air of live coverage 9:00pm-11:00pm ET / 10:00pm-12:00am PT - Commentary & analysis of day's stage Sunday, July 28 - Stage 20 Live audio coverage available on olntv.com - 9:30am-11:30am. Visit the Listen Live page. CBS Coverage 2:00pm - 3:00pm ET OLN Coverage 9:00pm-11:00pm ET / 10:00pm-12:00am PT - Commentary & analysis of day's stage Thursday, August 22 - Post-race Show 8:00pm ET/PT Join Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwen for a re-cap of the most exciting moments of the 2002 Tour de France."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jul 25, 2002 (22:42)", "body": "Sunday August 4th 1pm OLN, New York City bike race. Lance will be there."}, {"response": 12, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 2002 (11:55)", "body": "Will Lance Cycle the Atlantic first or take the long path he hi good enough to do it."}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 2002 (14:00)", "body": "All he has to do now is play it safe, avoid crashes and sickness. Five minuates may not seem like much, but it's actually a pretty huge lead."}, {"response": 14, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 2002 (14:18)", "body": "5 minutes is like hours in a contest like this. He should bide his time and not do anything stupid like overextending himself or taking risks. I am pulling for him!"}, {"response": 15, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 2002 (15:52)", "body": "I watch the race every day live and they all deserve a medal but Lance seems to be a rarity which pop up from time to time in sport."}, {"response": 16, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 2002 (20:36)", "body": "Yup, he will be like all the record holders in any sport. One for the books! And, he did it the hard way - fighting for his life. I have also been watching and looking at the scenery in the background whenever possible."}, {"response": 17, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 2002 (21:53)", "body": "Tomorrow are the time trials and Lance is out to win this one."}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jul 28, 2002 (00:03)", "body": "And he did! Tomorrow's the big ride around the Champs Elyses."}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jul 28, 2002 (09:43)", "body": "Can't get the oln feed today. oln tv is blocked out in favor the the CBS delayed and sanitized version at 1 pm CST. So I found another live audio feed: http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/L0/home_multimedia_Lng0.shtml You'll get commercials in French but the commentary is in English."}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jul 29, 2002 (11:59)", "body": "Lance won and displayed great class in his interviews and comments afterward. That makes four in a row and only one other man has won five in a row, Indurain."}, {"response": 21, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Mon, Jul 29, 2002 (13:59)", "body": "Lance says he will race for at least two more years, new records to come?"}, {"response": 22, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Jul 29, 2002 (14:23)", "body": "Rumsas and David Millar could put up a challenge to Lance next year, his chances hinge on whether or not he can come back with a good team again."}, {"response": 23, "author": "g7hvp", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 2002 (09:39)", "body": "Dave Miller says he hopes to win the tour in abour 3 years after Lance retires"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 2002 (12:06)", "body": "Rumsas wife got busted with a carload full of doping products yesterday, Rumsas may be on the run and the cycling governing body is going to slap him. I guess Rumsas stock is going down. Lance considers h9im to be the biggest threat."}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 2002 (12:08)", "body": "Third Place Is in Doubt Police Say Rumsas's Wife Had 'Doping Materials' in Car advertisement Raimondas Rumsas's third-place finish in the Tour de France remains in place Monday pending the results of an investigation and drug tests. (Thomas Kienzle - AP) _____What the Jerseys Mean_____ \ufffd Yellow: Overall race leader; shortest time for total distance covered. The most coveted jersey. \ufffd Polka dots: King of the Mountains. The best climber wears this jersey. \ufffd Green: The best sprinter. Points are awarded for intermediate and final sprints on flat terrain. E-Mail This Article Printer-Friendly Version Subscribe to The Post By Keith B. Richburg Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, July 30, 2002; Page D02 PARIS, July 29 -- The ever-present specter of doping cast a shadow over the Tour de France when the Italian team Lampre-Daikin announced it was suspending its captain and star, Lithuanian rider Raimondas Rumsas, after his wife was detained by French customs police for carrying \"suspicious\" medical products. Rumsas finished third overall Sunday in the Tour and shared the podium with Lance Armstrong, who was celebrating his fourth consecutive Tour de France win. Rumsas, 30, stood to Armstrong's left as a French military band played \"The Star-Spangled Banner.\" But hours before Sunday's final race stage began, customs police detained Edita Rumsas after searching a car she was driving at Chamonix in the Alps near the Italian border. A police spokeswoman said customs police discovered \"medications that could be considered doping materials\" in the car. Edita Rumsas is in police custody in Lyon, although she has not been formally charged. Rumsas has returned to his home in Marlia, Italy, with the rest of the team. Edita had been with her husband throughout the race, but left by car before the race ended. Police declined to specify the kind or amount of material she was carrying when apprehended. On Sunday night, French police in Paris entered"}, {"response": 26, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 2002 (12:10)", "body": "July 30, 2002 08:30 AM ET MADRID (Reuters) - Lithuanian rider Raimondas Rumsas, who became embroiled in a doping probe after customs officials found drugs in his wife's car following this year's Tour de France, has denied taking any banned substances. \"I have ridden this Tour in a completely honest and legal manner,\" the 30-year-old cyclist, who came third in the race, told Spanish daily El Mundo Tuesday. http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml;jsessionid=2XBX3KUBSWW3SCRBAELCFEY?type=sportnews&StoryID=1268443"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 2002 (21:06)", "body": "Lance will be back in Austin in September, I'm looking forwarding to attending the homecoming. It will be a grand occasion for Austin, Texas."}, {"response": 28, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Apr 16, 2003 (04:51)", "body": "http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-armstrong-marriage&prov=ap&type=lgns Armstrong's wife says that she and Lance are working at reconciling their marriage, and plan to reunite in Europe before and through the TDF."}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jul 17, 2003 (19:34)", "body": "US Postal got off to a good start by winning the team time trial on day one. As usual, Outdoor Life Network is doing great coverage, live, every day except on the weekend when do a delay in the evening. Victor Hugo Pena of Postal got the first yellow jersey with Lance just a second behind. http://www.khou.com/sharedcontent/sports/tourdefrance/tourdefrance/071802dnspotourlede.eee.html \"This year [2002], Mr. Armstrong has been appearing regularly on French television, speaking in French. He's signing more autographs and seems to be making an effort to become more open with the passionate French cycling fans. \" http://www.postconsumer.com/blogfrance/archives/000461.html \"He speaks french! Badly, though: \"Il est le plus grand threat!\" (he meant menace). \" Tyler Hamilton is riding with a broken collarbone, victim of an early crash in the Tour. http://www.velonews.com/tour2003/diaries/articles/4452.0.html The OLN announcers are great with Phil Ligget and Paul being joined by a flirtatious, bold blond newcomer Kristen Bug and funnyman Bob Roll. Roll won't be coming to a Comedy Club near you any time soon."}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Jul 24, 2003 (21:55)", "body": "Lance is ove a minute ahead of the second place Jan Ulrich going in to the final few days on the road to Paris. Magnificent effort by Tyler Hamilton a couple of days ago in the last mountain stage. \"He made a bold move\", said Lance, of the rider with the broken collarbone."}, {"response": 31, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Jul 26, 2003 (10:20)", "body": "Both Ulrich and Armstrong are out on the course as I write this. This most likely will decide this years Tour de France. It's a 30 mile individual time trial. Man against man. It's rainy and treacherous out on the course. At least it's not hot, that's what did Lance in during the last time trial. Ulrich is ahead by 6 seconds so far, Lance is ahead by a minute five overall. I hope they don't risk too much. This is a very tricky run. Follow it on OLN or http://olntv.com"}, {"response": 32, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Aug  1, 2003 (03:41)", "body": "Lance did a two hour interview on OLN tv (channel 608 if have Directv) and it may still be in reruns. When asked about the crash, he said he looked at the reruns and it didn't look to him like Ullrich was \"waiting\" for him; he said Jan had on his same face and it looked like he was bearing down until Tyler Hamilton ran up and got everyone to slow down. He said the race was full of \"little problems\" like cooling down with misting machines way too much before the first time trial which caused him to break out in a sweat and he went in to a bunch of other stuff. The stuff he referred to as the stuff that \"people don't know about\" in an interview during the race. It was a riveting two hour wrap up with Paul Sherwyn and Phil Leggett and I highly recommend it if you can catch it on an OLN rerun."}, {"response": 33, "author": "admin", "date": "Thu, Feb 12, 2004 (14:01)", "body": "We still have it tivoed."}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Feb 18, 2004 (09:20)", "body": "Lance is getting ready for this years tour in central California. He's been seen laying around the beach with Cheryl Crow."}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Feb 16, 2005 (10:12)", "body": "from http://thepaceline.com Lance News + Larger Font | + Smaller Font By Chris Brewer I knew Oprah was popular, but I'll be honest: I never knew she was THAT popular - wow\ufffd so check out some of the news \ufffd and what was not really \ufffdnew news\ufffd \ufffd that we experienced last Friday\ufffd The Preparation The show was taped back on Jan 23 in Chicago, so the production was \ufffdin the can\ufffd as they say. What was going on behind-the-scenes at the Lance Armstrong Foundation that day? Well, a solid case of Oprah fever had set in, that was for sure. Things started out relatively mild since the show is seen in a few markets in the morning, but there was plenty of action in preparation beforehand. To help promote the event over 1 million emails had been sent out to LAF supporters the day prior. Every web page for the LAF.org and LiveStrong.org web sites had been reviewed, scrubbed, plus new content added. All 3 web servers had their memory doubled and our engineers tweaked them up to make sure they were ready to handle the expected load. Word had been put out to our service providers to expect a big (BIG) spike in web traffic and e-commerce orders (we even upped our data line capacity for 3 days from 10 megabit to 100). And finally, the LAF fulfillment company went to around-the-clock staffing to get the wristbands out ASAP. Now the question on everyone\ufffds mind was \ufffdJust how big an impact would it be?\" It would all come down to the afternoon window when Oprah is literally seen across the country. The Show The show started out with a quick profile of Lance\ufffds public image, from teen athlete to pro cyclist to cancer survivor to 6-time Tour champion. Lance then walked in wearing a light gray 2-piece suit to a tremendous standing ovation, the Oprah set completely done up in yellow with LIVESTRONG\ufffd emblazoned everywhere. Oprah then showed a montage of Lance\ufffds life, complete with some pretty rare images: Lance on his first bike at age 6, long-distance running at 10, and his first triathlon at 14. In addition to the now-familiar cycling highlights they also showed the great Nike commercial culminating with the line, \ufffdWhat am I on? I\ufffdm on my bike busting my ass for 6 hours\ufffd\ufffd Lance was asked about his statement that cancer was the best thing that ever happened to him \ufffd was that still true? \ufffdAbsolutely, it forced me to take a look at my life and at my sport. I haven\ufffdt been perfect (since being diagnosed) but I\ufffdve attacked the bike and the sport in a way I would not have pre-cancer.\ufffd While it\ufffds not uncommon for Lance to talk graphically about his cancer experience, he was clearly surprised when Oprah recounted his symptoms. \ufffdLance, you had testicles the size of a lemon\ufffd\ufffd \ufffdJust one!\ufffd he corrected. \ufffdI told you not to talk about that (he joked) \ufffd but now we can talk about anything\ufffd\ufffd The story then went on to highlight the importance of Lance\ufffds mom Linda. The reality of the cancer experience was that she was the one who was by his side throughout the treatments and we can look forward to many more details in her upcoming book \ufffdNo Mountain High Enough : Raising Lance, Raising Me\ufffd. Lance then told a quick story of how he went to a recent video shoot at Oprah\ufffds house and he knew that his mom was a big fan of her. So he invited her along, but didn\ufffdt tell Linda where they were going, just that it was an old friend and that they were bringing the kids, too. Exhibiting true Texan hospitality, Linda said \ufffdWe should bring some guacamole and chips.\ufffd \ufffdSure, why not?\ufffd Lance said \ufffd and off they went, much to Linda\ufffds total surprise as they met Oprah at the door\ufffd (and yes, they ate the chips and guacamole!) The Challenge Oprah then asked her viewers to see of they could beat the one-day sales record of 382,000 LIVESTRONG yellow wristbands. She noted the huge popularity of the yellow wristbands that support the Lance Armstrong Foundation, from celebrities to kids to cancer survivors and their supporters, the demand is now truly international. With over 32 million now sold, this is a true phenomenon and she wanted her viewers to do their part as well. She basically asked her viewers to go to Oprah.com - and now - where a special page was ready and waiting for them to take their orders as well as ask them to fill out a survery for the LAF. And away they went, too! As we monitored the web traffic the spike in data flow and orders was literally off the chart, such is the influence this show commands..."}, {"response": 36, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Feb 16, 2005 (10:13)", "body": "from http://thepaceline.com - Lance's fan site. After a commercial break, the show then moved to Oprah\ufffds house where Lance had literally just ridden in from a 5-hour training ride. She noted how she was a tad intimidated to ride with the 6-time Tour champ \ufffd as most people would be \ufffd but she not only handled her MTB quite well, but managed to do a rolling interview with Lance in the process. Prior to a \ufffdrace\ufffd with Oprah \ufffd and Lance could only use one leg (and of course he still won) - she asked him if being naturally physically gifted was what allowed him to be so successful on the bike. \ufffdI prefer to think I work the hardest,\ufffd he replied. Back to the live set and Lance\ufffds girlfriend Sheryl Crow joined them on stage for their first-ever joint interview. She recalled how the two had first \ufffdcourted\ufffd via Blackberry text messages and that a year ago she started riding a road bike, one of several Lance has given her. \ufffdShe already rode up Alpe d\ufffdHuez,\ufffd Lance noted. \ufffdYeah, but it took me an hour and 37 minutes to get up, and the record is 37 minutes,\ufffd Sheryl replied. Oprah then looked at Lance and asked \ufffdHow long did it take you to get up that mountain\ufffd Without missing a beat Lance deadpanned: 37 minutes. The biggest news (that was not really news) was Oprah asking Lance if he would go for a seventh Tour de France victory. Lance looked at Sheryl and said, \ufffdYeah, absolutely.\ufffd Now that may have been a surprise to those who don\ufffdt follow the sport closely, but LA noted weeks ago at the Discovery Channel presentation press conference that competing in another Tour was part of his contract with the new title sponsor. As for whether or not that will in 2005 or 2006, that\ufffds still to be determined. And after the show in an audience Q&A not broadcasted, someone asked Lance, \ufffdDid I just hear you announce you will be riding the Tour in 2005?\ufffd and Lance said no, he didn\ufffdt say that specifically, and he re-explained his contract obligation. A Special Meeting Without a doubt the best moment of the show was when they brought out a very special cancer survivor, first grade teacher / breast cancer survivor Andre Rice. She was diagnosed 6 years ago, had her treatments and went into remission. Unfortunately 4 years later she recurred and she is now back in chemotherapy treatment. And through it all, Lance has been her role model. Prior to the Oprah show, over 100 friends and family carrying yellow balloons surprised her with the announcement that she had been selected to come out to the show\ufffds taping and to meet Lance. She came onto the set and gave Lance a huge hug, then told him, \ufffdYou are my hero; I am in the fight of my life. On the days I can\ufffdt go on my husband says: You are my Lance, and you can do it!\ufffd She then went to explain the amazing inspirational impact of the yellow wristbands, and Lance noted this was the original intent of the program. Lance then rolled out a nice Trek cruiser bike and gave it to her, signing the frame as Andre stood there stunned \ufffd an there wasn\ufffdt a dry eye in the house\ufffd As the show wound down, they spoke a little about Lance\ufffds kids. \ufffdThey are miracle children (recalling their creation via IVF). My son Luke is my twin,\ufffd Lance noted. \ufffdTheir mom is great, and we have an excellent partnership raising the kids \ufffd we each have them half the time.\ufffd Oprah asked Lance if he wanted more kids. \ufffdThere\ufffds a few more tadpoles left!\ufffd Lance joked. \ufffdBut in a year or 2 I\ufffdm not going to have too much to do \ufffd why not go and chase around a bunch of kids?\ufffd And finally Sheryl debuted a new song titled \ufffdI Know Why\ufffd from her upcoming CD. The Result Can you say \ufffda-maze-ing\ufffd? I knew that you could\ufffd The previous one-day record of 382,000 wristband sales was smashed. The wristband sales for from Friday's Oprah air date were over 900,000, plus an additional 300,00 more on Saturday! Over 13,500 LAFsurvey responses were compiled. * You can get more details from the show over at the Oprah.com web site. So all in all it was an amazing day for Oprah and the Lance Armstrong Foundation, and it\ufffds hats off to the folks at Oprah, their viewers, and the LAF supporters around the world \ufffd thank you all!"}, {"response": 37, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Feb 17, 2005 (13:15)", "body": "I'm inspired, I've gone to a daily pain inducing workout with performance enhancing drinks (Trek), see the fitness topic."}, {"response": 38, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Mar 18, 2005 (10:36)", "body": "CRAPONNE-SUR-ARZON, France (Reuters) - American Lance Armstrong has pulled out of the Paris-Nice race with a sore throat. The six-times winner of the Tour de France will return to his home at Girona in Spain for treatment, according to a statement on his Discovery team's Web Site. \"I had finally adjusted to the jet lag of the trip but woke up this morning with a sore throat that seemed to get worse all day,\" Armstrong said on Wednesday. \"I will return to Spain to rest up and be back on the bike in a couple of days.\" Paris-Nice was the first major event on the agenda of the Texas rider after he decided to enter the Tour de France in July and chase for a seventh consecutive victory in the most gruelling cycle race of the world. But even before he returned to France, the American made it clear that he did not expect anything from Paris-Nice apart from spending time on his bike in race conditions. \"This is my first race of the season and I'm not physically fit at the moment,\" he said. \"I'm certainly a bit late in my preparations as I have spent more time than usual in the United States this winter.\" Armstrong finished at a disappointing 140th place in the Sunday's prologue, an individual time-trial of 4.5 kilometers in the Paris suburbs. The Discovery team leader then lost more ground on leaders when he was trapped in a collective fall in the first stage near Chabris on Monday. SCHEDULE CHANGES He then finished twice with the bunch but he seemed to suffer from the bad weather as the second and the third stages, shortened because of the snow, were raced in sub-zero temperatures. When he pulled out, Armstrong was 62nd overall, one minute 35 seconds behind race leader Tom Boonen of Belgium. His withdrawal means that Armstrong will now have to reshuffle his schedule and bring in some changes in his preparations for the Tour de France. He is considering taking part into the Setmana Catalana next week before returning to the United States for the Tour of Georgia. Armstrong had said that he wanted to focus on spring's one-day races and he could race in the Tour of Flanders on April 3 before entering either the Dauphine Libere or the Tour of Switzerland"}, {"response": 39, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (20:38)", "body": "http://touroftexas.com sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 77, "subject": "steroids and sports", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Mar  6, 2005 (07:50)", "body": "from wired.com So you find a surgeon willing to drill a series of small holes in the humerus and ulna bones at your elbow, slice open your wrist and remove a tendon from it, and then weave the tendon in a \ufffdfigure eight loop through the holes. After a year or so of rehab, you're throwing a 97-mph fastball for the first time in your life, and your career is transformed. This is not a hypothetical situation. This particular elbow surgery has been a standard procedure in sports since the mid-'70s, when it was performed on Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Tommy John. (He opted for the then-\ufffdexperimental operation after suffering a potentially career-\ufffdending torn ligament in his left elbow.) One in nine major-league pitchers active in 2001 and 2002 carried the scars of Tommy John surgery, as it is now called, including Chicago Cubs ace Kerry Wood, who reached his top velocity as a pitcher after recovering from the procedure. . . . snip . . . The surgical procedures that are now in beta will only make the ethical questions murkier. \"We've been doing some of these procedures for 30 years,\" says Freddie Fu, an orthopedic surgeon at the University of Pittsburgh. \"But we're only now starting to understand kinematics and mobility. In the next five to ten years, we're really going to understand how, say, the knee works in all three dimensions.\" In a decade, a quarter\ufffdback might have muscle cells removed from his legs. Those cells would then be engineered in the lab to be stronger and re\ufffdinserted, enabling a quarterback with the wisdom of a 35-year-old to run like he's 20. The same technique could be used around shoulder joints, adding power and durability to the arms of pitchers, weight lifters, and volleyball players. (Some sports medicine experts believe stem cells might be manipulated to grow even more enhanced replacement cells.) As minimally invasive and arthroscopic techniques improve, surgeons will be able to tweak bicyclists' hearts to increas stroke volume and reroute digestive systems to optimize energy absorption. more at http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/start.html?pg=2"}, {"response": 2, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct  2, 2005 (18:16)", "body": "Outlaw them altogether. The are death and there is absolutely no place for them in sports or anywhere else in \"entertainment.\" It's just that simple! sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 78, "subject": "choosing a bicycle", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Apr  8, 2005 (09:27)", "body": "The Trek 4500 rides well, is not light especially, has a comfortable saddle and and sells for $400 something. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 79, "subject": "Spring Virtual Football Pool 2005", "response_count": 12, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug 31, 2005 (10:21)", "body": "Lines for the early games: Thursday, September 1 - College ARIZONA STATE 26.0 temple CINCINNATI 10.0 e michigan CONNECTICUT 18.5 buffalo minnesota 14.5 TULSA oregon 8.5 HOUSTON SOUTH CAROLINA 19.0 central florida WAKE FOREST 9.5 vanderbilt WASHINGTON STATE 27.0 idaho Friday, September 2 - College indiana 9.0 C MICHIGAN UTAH 7.0 arizona"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug 31, 2005 (10:24)", "body": "You get $7500 Virtual Dollars to start. The rules are simple: Each player begins with a stake of 7500 virtual dollars. You get your stake when you post your first bet in the Spring Virtual Football Pool topic in the sports conference. Every week when there are college or (non-exhibition) NFL games, I'll post the betting lines for those games the Tuesday before. Bet as much or as little as you want on as many games as you want. Bets must be in whole dollars. To bet on a game, post in topic 1310. Bets should be the amount, followed by the team you are betting for against the spread. As an example, to bet 100 virtual dollars on the Seacaucus Spamhawks and 400 dollars on the Fighting Gynecologists of Johns Hopkins University, just post: 100 Spamhawks 400 Johns Hopkins To avoid confusion between pro and college teams, use the name of the school for college games and the team nickname for pro games. If you want to change or retract a bet, do not scribble your post, but instead make another post with your revised betting information. And that's all there is to it! Come on and join the fun! Thanks to mrw@well.com for allowing us to shadow his pool."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Aug 31, 2005 (10:26)", "body": "Saturday, September 3 - College ALABAMA 22.0 middle tennessee AUBURN 7.0 georgia tech baylor 3.0 SO METHODIST boston college 4.0 BRIGHAM YOUNG COLORADO 7.5 colorado state duke 1.5 EAST CAROLINA FLORIDA 22.0 wyoming GEORGIA 7.0 boise state ILLINOIS 1.5 rutgers IOWA 38.5 ball state KANSAS 22.5 florida atl KANSAS STATE 34.0 florida intl LOUISIANA STATE 33.0 north texas MARYLAND 8.0 navy MICHIGAN 18.5 no illinois MICHIGAN STATE 18.5 kent state MISSOURI 26.0 arkansas state NORTHWESTERN 14.5 ohio OHIO STATE 14.5 miami ohio OKLAHOMA 26.5 texas christian PENN STATE 23.0 south florida PITTSBURGH 3.5 notre dame TENNESSEE 23.5 ala birmingham TEXAS 39.5 la lafayette texas a&m 1.5 CLEMSON texas el paso 10.5 NEW MEXICO ST ucla 8.0 SAN DIEGO STATE usc 34.0 HAWAII VIRGINIA 32.5 w michigan washington 2.5 AIR FORCE WISCONSIN 3.5 bowling green Sunday, September 4 - College louisville 21.5 KENTUCKY SO MISSISSIPPI 10.0 tulane SYRACUSE 2.0 west virginia virginia tech 5.0 NO CAROLINA ST Monday, September 5 - College MEMPHIS 2.5 mississippi miami fla 3.0 FLORIDA STATE NEW MEXICO 14.0 unlv"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep  4, 2005 (05:41)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score AIR FORCE washington + 2.5 20-17 ala birmingham TENNESSEE +23.5 10-17 baylor SO METHODIST - 3.0 28-23 boston college BRIGHAM YOUNG - 4.0 20- 3 CLEMSON texas a&m + 1.5 25-24 colorado state COLORADO + 7.5 28-31 EAST CAROLINA duke + 1.5 24-21 florida atl KANSAS +22.5 19-30 florida intl KANSAS STATE +34.0 21-35 GEORGIA boise state - 7.0 48-13 georgia tech AUBURN + 7.0 23-14 ILLINOIS rutgers - 1.5 33-30 OT IOWA ball state -38.5 56- 0 MICHIGAN STATE kent state -18.5 49-14 middle tennessee ALABAMA +22.0 7-26 MISSOURI arkansas state -26.0 44-17 navy MARYLAND + 8.0 20-23 no illinois MICHIGAN +18.5 17-33 NORTHWESTERN ohio -14.5 38-14 notre dame PITTSBURGH + 3.5 42-21 OHIO STATE miami ohio -14.5 34-14 south florida PENN STATE +23.0 13-23 TEXAS la lafayette -39.5 60- 3 texas christian OKLAHOMA +26.5 17-10 texas el paso NEW MEXICO ST -10.5 34-17 ucla SAN DIEGO STATE - 8.0 44-21 usc HAWAII -34.0 63-17 w michigan VIRGINIA +32.5 19-31 WISCONSIN bowling green - 3.5 56-42 wyoming FLORIDA +22.0 14-32"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Sep 11, 2005 (16:22)", "body": "Saturday's college results: Winner Loser spread score AIR FORCE san diego state - 8.0 41-29 akron PURDUE +35.5 24-49 ala birmingham TROY -10.0 27- 7 AUBURN mississippi st -15.0 28- 0 boise state OREGON STATE + 3.5 27-30 BOSTON COLLEGE army -27.5 44- 7 c michigan MIAMI OHIO +22.0 38-37 california WASHINGTON - 8.0 56-17 cincinnati PENN STATE +19.5 24-42 clemson MARYLAND + 2.0 28-24 COLORADO new mexico st -24.5 39- 0 E MICHIGAN la lafayette - 6.5 31-10 FLORIDA louisiana tech -30.0 41- 3 hawaii MICHIGAN STATE +33.0 14-42 idaho UNLV +11.5 31-34 ILLINOIS san jose state -14.0 40-19 IOWA STATE iowa + 8.5 23- 3 louisiana state ARIZONA STATE + 1.5 35-31 MARSHALL kansas state +10.0 19-21 MINNESOTA colorado state -13.0 56-24 NAVY stanford + 3.0 38-41 PUSH NEBRASKA wake forest - 6.5 31- 3 new mexico MISSOURI +10.0 45-35 no illinois NORTHWESTERN + 2.5 37-38 north carolina GEORGIA TECH +12.5 21-27 north texas MIDDLE TENNESSEE + 3.0 14- 7 notre dame MICHIGAN + 7.0 17-10 SO METHODIST texas christian +15.0 21-10 so mississippi ALABAMA +13.0 21-30 south carolina GEORGIA +16.5 15-17 SYRACUSE buffalo -24.0 31- 0 texas OHIO STATE + 1.0 25-22 TEXAS TECH florida intl -34.5 56- 3 TOLEDO w michigan -22.5 56-23 tulsa OKLAHOMA +30.5 15-31 UCLA rice -25.0 63-21 UTAH utah state -24.0 31- 7 PUSH vanderbilt ARKANSAS + 9.0 28-24 virginia tech DUKE -20.0 45- 0 WISCONSIN temple -34.0 65- 0 WYOMING la monroe -18.5 38- 0 A big win for Texas, who beat the spread. Maybe the most exciting game ever in Long Horns history. Best I've ever seen."}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  4, 2005 (21:35)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early Games - College NORTH TEXAS 2.0 troy [Tue 10/4] NO ILLINOIS 3.0 miami ohio [Wed 10/5] GEORGIA TECH 4.5 no carolina st [Thu 10/6] LA LAFAYETTE 6.0 florida atl [Thu 10/6] CONNECTICUT 6.5 syracus [Fri 10/7] Saturday, October 8 - College akron 10.5 BUFFALO ALA BIRMINGHAM 21.0 so methodist ARIZONA STATE 10.0 oregon ARKANSAS 26.0 la monroe BOSTON COLLEGE 7.0 virginia BOWLING GREEN 22.5 ohio c michigan 2.0 ARMY COLORADO STATE 4.0 utah EAST CAROLINA 4.5 rice FLORIDA 27.5 mississippi st FLORIDA STATE 20.5 wake forest fresno state 26.0 NEW MEXICO ST houston 1.0 TULANE INDIANA 6.0 illinois IOWA STATE 9.0 baylor KANSAS STATE 6.5 kansas louisiana state 15.5 VANDERBILT LOUISIANA TECH 4.5 hawaii LOUISVILLE 12.0 north carolina maryland 28.5 TEMPLE memphis 2.5 CENTRAL FLORIDA MIAMI FLA 35.0 duke MICHIGAN 7.5 minnesota missouri 5.5 OKLAHOMA STATE NAVY 1.0 air force NEVADA 10.0 idaho NEW MEXICO 7.5 brigham young ohio state 3.0 PENN STATE PITTSBURGH 12.0 cincinnati PURDUE 5.0 iowa san diego state 9.0 UNLV SOUTH CAROLINA 13.0 kentucky SO MISSISSIPPI 12.0 tulsa TENNESSEE 3.0 georgia TEXAS 13.5 oklahoma texas tech 4.5 NEBRASKA TOLEDO 21.0 e michigan UCLA 1.5 california USC 37.5 arizona UTAH STATE 4.5 san jose state VIRGINIA TECH 35.0 marshall WASHINGTON STATE 13.5 stanford west virginia 3.5 RUTGERS W MICHIGAN 10.5 ball state wisconsin 7.0 NORTHWESTERN WYOMING 6.0 texas christian This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 9 - NFL BILLS 2.5 dolphins BRONCOS 7.0 redskins BROWNS 3.0 bears buccaneers 3.5 GIANTS colts 14.0 NINERS eagles 3.5 COWBOYS FALCONS 3.0 patriots JAGUARS 2.5 bengals LIONS 1.0 ravens panthers 3.0 CARDINALS PACKERS 3.0 saints RAMS 3.0 seahawks TEXANS 3.0 titans Monday, October 10 - NFL CHARGERS 3.0 steelers"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  4, 2005 (21:45)", "body": "5000 Horns"}, {"response": 8, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Oct  4, 2005 (21:46)", "body": "Hey, the past Saturday was a good one for us. Penn State is 5 - 0 Tennessee won. Middle Tennessee won. Yay !!!"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct  4, 2005 (23:51)", "body": "Put down some virtual dollars on Penn State if you want!"}, {"response": 10, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Oct  9, 2005 (17:22)", "body": "Can you imagine - we beat Ohio State?! Yak but we play Michigan next at their home. We're 6-0 but will it last? I bet 50 virtual dollars for Penn State to win."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Oct 10, 2005 (12:29)", "body": "Well, I'm up to 12500 with the Horns win."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Oct 11, 2005 (23:30)", "body": "This week's college lines: Early Games - College ARKANSAS STATE 10.0 la lafayette [Thu 10/13] NO CAROLINA ST 5.0 clemson [Thu 10/13] texas el paso 7.0 TULANE [Fri 10/14] Saturday, October 15 - College AIR FORCE 13.5 unlv alabama 12.5 MISSISSIPPI ala birmingham 3.5 MARSHALL ARIZONA 5.0 stanford auburn 7.5 ARKANSAS BOISE STATE 30.5 san jose state BOSTON COLLEGE 14.0 wake forest bowling green 24.0 BUFFALO CALIFORNIA 16.0 oregon state C MICHIGAN 6.0 ohio colorado state 1.5 BRIGHAM YOUNG connecticut 8.0 CINCINNATI florida state 7.0 VIRGINIA FRESNO STATE 33.0 utah state georgia 15.5 VANDERBILT georgia tech 20.5 DUKE HAWAII 20.0 new mexico st HOUSTON 10.0 memphis IOWA 14.5 indiana LOUISIANA STATE 6.0 florida louisville 7.0 WEST VIRGINIA miami fla 41.0 TEMPLE MIAMI OHIO 12.5 akron MICHIGAN 3.5 penn state mid tennessee 5.0 FLORIDA ATL MISSOURI 5.5 iowa state NAVY 13.0 kent state nebraska 2.5 BAYLOR NEVADA 1.5 louisiana tech north texas pick FLORIDA INTL NO ILLINOIS 19.5 e michigan OHIO STATE 6.5 michigan state oklahoma 6.0 KANSAS OREGON 15.0 washington PITTSBURGH 2.0 south florida PURDUE 7.5 northwestern SO METHODIST 2.0 east carolina SO MISSISSIPPI 9.0 central florida SYRACUSE 2.0 rutgers TEXAS 17.5 colorado TEXAS A&M 18.0 oklahoma state TEXAS CHRISTIAN 23.0 army TEXAS TECH 14.0 kansas state toledo 19.5 BALL STATE troy 2.0 LA MONROE tulsa 8.0 RICE ucla 6.0 WASHINGTON STATE usc 11.5 NOTRE DAME UTAH 10.0 san diego state WYOMING 7.0 new mexico MINNESOTA NL wisconsin This week's NFL lines: Sunday, October 16 - NFL BEARS 3.0 vikings bengals 3.0 TITANS BILLS 3.5 jets BRONCOS 3.0 patriots BUCCANEERS 4.5 dolphins chargers 2.5 RAIDERS CHIEFS 5.5 redskins COWBOYS 3.5 giants falcons 4.5 SAINTS LIONS 1.0 panthers RAVENS 5.5 browns SEAHAWKS 9.5 texans STEELERS NL jaguars Monday, October 17 - NFL COLTS 13.5 rams Thanks to mrw at the WELL for the stats. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 8, "subject": "Olympics", "response_count": 32, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 1996 (22:28)", "body": "Who should be on this years Wheaties box? Carl Lewis? Jackie Joyner Kersey? Michael Johnson? Carrie Strug? Jason Huish, the archer? Dave O'Brien? Who is your hero and your highlight from this summers games in hotlanta? As I write this I'm watching the Dream team championship game with Yugoslavia."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (05:05)", "body": "From an article from the Australian Sports Commission, \"Discontinued Olympic Sports\": EVENT PARTICIPATING YEARS Men's Track and Field: 60m dash 1900, 1904 5 mile run 1906, 1908 200m Hurdles 1900, 1904 Steeplechase 1900 (2500m & 4000m), 1904 (2590m), 1908 (3200m) 3000m Team run 1908, 1912, 1920, 1924 Cross Country (individual) 1912 (8000m), 1920 (10000m), 1924 (10650m) Cross Country (team) 1900 (5000m), 1904 (6437m), 1912 (8000m), 19 20 (10000m), 1924 (10650m) Walking 1906 (1500m), 1920 (3000m), 1908 (3500m) 1908 (10mile) 10000m Walk 1912, 1920,1924,1948,1952 Standing High Jump 1900, 1904, 1906, 1908, 1912 Standing Broad Jump 1900, 1904, 1906, 1908, 1912 Standing Hop, Step, Jump 1900, 1904 16lb Shot Put (2 Hands) 1912 56lb Weight Throw 1904, 1920 Discus (Greek style) 1906, 1908 Discus (2 Hands) 1912 Javelin (Freestyle) 1908 Javelin (2 Hands) 1912 Pentathlon 1906, 1912, 1920, 1924 Tug-of-War 1900, 1904, 1906, 1908, 1912, 1920 Archery: Various events 1904, 1908, 1920 Canoeing: Various events 1936, 1948, 1952,1956 Cricket: 1900 Croquet: 1900 Cycling: Events to metric 1904 (440yrds/0ne-third mile/ 880yrd/one mile) 1906 (660yrd) Events discontinued 1906, 1908 (5km) 1906 (10km) 1906, 1908 (20km) 1920, 1924 (50km) 1896, 1908 (100km) 1896 (12hr race) Fencing: Sword and Sabre 1904, 1906 Field Handball: 1936 Golf: (Men's) 1900, 1904 (Women's) 1900 Gymnastics: Callisthenics 1948, 1952 Team (Swedish/Free Systems) 1912, 1920 Team (Horiz/Parallel Bars) 1896 Rope Climb 1896, 1904,1906,1924, 1932 Mixed Events 1924 (Side vault) 1932 (Tumbling) 1904, 1932 (Indian Club) Lacrosse: 1904, 1908 Motor Boating: 1908 Paume:(Like Tennis) 1908 Racquets: (Mens) 1908 Polo: 1908, 1920, 1924, 1936 Roque: (Like Croquet) 1904 Rowing: 1906 (man-of-war) 1912(inrigger fours) Rugby: 1908, 1920, 1924 Shooting: Mixed Pistol, Revolver, Duelling Pistol, Automatic Pistol, Army Gun, Full-Bore Rifle, Running Deer, Small-Bore Rifle, Free Rifle & Military Rifle 1896, 1900, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928, 1936 Swimming: Relay Races 1900, 1904, 1906 200m Freestyle 1900, 1904 (200yrd freestyle) 400m Breaststroke 1904, 1912, 1920 880yrd & 50yrd Freestyle 1904 4000m Freestyle 1900 Plunge (Diving) 1900, 1904 Plain High Diving 1912, 1920, 1924 Weightlifting: One Hand 1896, 1904, 1906 Two Hands 1896, 1904, 1906 Yachting: 6m Class 1900, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1948, 1952 6.5m Class 1920 7m Class 1908, 1920 8m Class 1900, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928, 1932, 1936 10m Class 1900, 1912, 1920 12m Class 1908, 1912, 1920, 1956 Firefly Class 1948 Monotype Class 1920, 1924, 1928, 1932, 1936 30m Class 1920 40m Class 1920 18-Foot Centerboard 1920 Don't ask *me* what the 18' centerboard is all about."}, {"response": 3, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:58)", "body": "How are the Year 2000 Olympics shaping up?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:07)", "body": "They're in Australia, that's about all I know."}, {"response": 5, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov  2, 1999 (23:22)", "body": "This is where Nancy Thorpe Ahia and I are going to talk about her father, the great Jim Thorpe...a very special lady with a most special father."}, {"response": 6, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov  2, 1999 (23:25)", "body": "OK, Nancy - first things first. In which Olympics did your father parrticipate and a rundown on his medals, please?!"}, {"response": 7, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Nov  2, 1999 (23:27)", "body": "(Terry, a centerboard is the keel on light sailboats and is swung up and removed or lashed into a secure position when in shallow water)"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (18:44)", "body": "That's great, I recently saw the Burt Lancaster movie about Jim Thorpe, so I'm sure my view of the man is the Hollywood depicted one, I'd be interested in this reality check."}, {"response": 9, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (19:16)", "body": "Nancy'll be at Volleyball this evening with me, but I will work on her for tomorrow for posting here. (She hated the movie! I am interested in the reality check, as well.)"}, {"response": 10, "author": "Irishprincess", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (19:37)", "body": "I just found out that one of my student's father was in the Olympics from Munich (was that '72 or '74?) to '84. He was a swimmer, his last name is Bogert, and he was there when Mark Spitz won the 3 gold medals. Anyone know who he might be?"}, {"response": 11, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Nov  5, 1999 (20:08)", "body": "I can check the internet and my world almanac to see if he is in the record. He should be! Did I ever mention that Eric Liddle from \"Chariots of Fire\" was a relative of my ex (and therefore my son)?!"}, {"response": 12, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (20:28)", "body": "IOC's Samaranch Grilled by U.S. Congressional Panel WASHINGTON (Reuters) - International Olympic Committee President Juan Antonio Samaranch was grilled about corruption in the Olympic movement by a U.S. Congressional panel on Wednesday which challenged him to back up his promise of sweeping changes with action. At a hearing before a House of Representatives Commerce subcommittee, Samaranch, the most powerful man in world sport, faced tough, sometimes hostile questioning, about the bidding process for the 1996 Atlanta Olympics and the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Games where some IOC members allegedly took bribes in exchange for voting to allow the cities to host the Games. ``We are here because the Olympic Games are too important to allow a culture of corruption to be whitewashed and perpetuated by a piece of paper called reforms,'' said Rep. Fred Upton, a Michigan Republican who chaired the subcommittee. ``The record is riddled with evidence of over a decade's worth of blatant abuse which was ignored by those who consistently, arrogantly, unbelievably turned a blind eye to the ugly truth. Now, after being dragged under the magnifying glass the IOC purports to have turned over a new leaf.'' Forced on the defensive early in the hearings, the 79-year-old Samaranch, who has presided over the IOC for 19 years, insisted the organization was implementing ``deep fundamental reforms'' in the wake of the allegations. ``I think we cleaned the house and a fundamental reform package has been implemented,'' Samaranch told the committee. ''Most of the critical reforms are already implemented and written into our Olympic charter.'' He admitted that the IOC made ``a mistake'' in failing to take action early against visits by board members to cities seeking to host the Olympics, but said members were reluctant to give up the perks. IOC members were showered with expensive gifts and favors during the globe-trotting visits and disclosure of some of the most egregious abuses last December sparked an international scandal. In the face of persistent questioning by both Democrats and Republicans, Samaranch, a Spaniard, chose to be represented by a lawyer before testifying under oath in English. 50 REFORMS TO IOC STRUCTURE AND RULES He cited more than 50 reforms to the IOC's structure and rules adopted last weekend at a meeting in Lausanne, Switzerland. He noted also that the IOC had expelled six members over allegations of impropriety and four resigned under pressure. But he admitted the IOC was slow to recognize that it was perceived as autocratic and secretive. ``Now we understand the public wishes to know more about the process which bring them the Games. We have no problem with this, it just took time to realize the interest,'' he said. A cultural and generational gulf between the IOC president, who once served in the government of former Spanish dictator Francisco Franco, and the panel was obvious as the hearing at one point turned personal. Samaranch was peppered with questions about his living quarters in a suite in a Lausanne hotel, paid for the by IOC. Also queried was a $12,000 trip to the United States for his wife, paid for by the Atlanta Olympic organizers, which included a private fashion show. Asked why none of the reforms he proposed related to his own office the presidency of the IOC -- Samaranch seemed at first not to understand the question. Then he responded: ``Because I didn't think that would be necessary.'' SARCASTIC QUESTIONING While questioning was polite, though at times sarcastic, some panelists were blunt. Rep. Joe Barton, a Texas Republican, told Samaranch flatly he should quit. ``I would like you today to announce that you will resign,'' he said. ``This would allow you to be a true statesman of sport and announce that.'' Samaranch traveled to the United States on a diplomatic passport a legacy of his day's as Spain's ambassador to the Soviet Union before becoming IOC president in 1980 but has agreed to waive diplomatic immunity and to talk to the FBI, which is investigating the Salt Lake City Olympic bid. Samaranch earlier this year refused to appear before a Senate panel, but agreed this time to come to Washington after the IOC adopted the reform package at a meeting last weekend. Also testifying were former Maine Senator George Mitchell, chairman of a special ethics commission appointed by the U.S. Olympic Committee; former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who provided the IOC with several reform proposals; Olympian speed skater Bonnie Blair and rower Robert Ctvrtlik who is one of seven athlete members recently appointed to the IOC."}, {"response": 13, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (17:02)", "body": "Olympic Hopefuls Don High-Tech Suits BRISBANE (Reuters) - More than 150 Australian Olympic swimming hopefuls will be issued with controversial full-length bodysuits by the end of the week. Sydney-based swimmers were scheduled to receive their high-tech suits Monday, followed by those elsewhere in the country, a spokesman for manufacturer Speedo said. The bodysuits, designed to mimic a shark's skin in the water, have created a storm in Australian swimming. They are said to improve race times by up to three percent. Officials said last week competitors at next month's Australian Olympic trials would be allowed to wear the bodysuits despite concerns about their legality. Australian Swimming president Terry Gathercole said he would allow the neck-to-ankle suits in the event that the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) did not pronounce on their legality in time. The suits have already been approved by the governing International Swimming Federation but the Australian Olympic Committee is worried a competitor wearing one might be stripped of a medal if a rival protested to CAS, the body which adjudicates on disputes in sport. CAS announced last month it would investigate the suits and a decision is expected before the Australian trials start on May 13. The preparations of Olympic 1,500 meters champion Kieren Perkins stepped up a gear when he donned a neck-to-ankle suit and clocked three minutes 52.44 seconds, his fastest 400 meters freestyle time in five years. ``Another second faster would have been good but he went about the time I wanted him to,'' said his coach John Careworters. ``I think getting through the trials is nearly as hard as winning at the Olympics. There's a lot more depth in Australian swimming now.''"}, {"response": 14, "author": "zx6rider", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (22:00)", "body": "At first reading I find I'm REALLY uncomfortable with the above... I'm not sure why. Maybe it is the next incarnation of the SPEEDO. But neck to ankle... Swimming is the 'minimalist' sport. You need water, period. No sneakers, no shorts, no wheels, no nothing. I figure the step that would level the playing field is get rid of the performance enhancing drugs and make everybody swim nekkid."}, {"response": 15, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (22:04)", "body": "YES!!! (Btw, I am waiting on John's answer to your last Boxing response.)"}, {"response": 16, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (09:05)", "body": "Yep, just water at a reasonable temperature. I'm definitely in to fins and a mask though."}, {"response": 17, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (15:06)", "body": "You'd love the tide pools around here. 75 to 80 degree water temps and the most amazingly patterned fish in the universe, not to mention the corals, anemones and other critters living there. Amazing stuff! I agree with you on the mask and fins."}, {"response": 18, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (18:43)", "body": "79 in my pool today, I just emerged."}, {"response": 19, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Tue, Apr 25, 2000 (23:50)", "body": "Olympic Torch Grounded by Shuttle Delay SYDNEY (Reuters) - Sydney's Olympic organizers (SOCOG) said on Tuesday they would continue with their plans to send the Olympic torch into space. A replica of the torch which will light the Sydney Olympic cauldron was packed on board the space shuttle Atlantis for a lift-off from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida on Monday. SOCOG officials were hoping the space mission, during which the torch would orbit the earth 15 times a day for a week, would help promote the official Olympic torch relay which starts next month. But their plans were put on hold when the launch was postponed because of strong crosswinds at Cape Canaveral. ``This is not a setback and it's not going to delay the start of the relay,'' a SOCOG spokesman said. ``SOCOG remains confident that the torch will be in space in time to promote the start of the Sydney 2000 torch relay.'' Australian astronaut Andy Thomas came up with the idea of taking the torch into space about a year ago as a way of promoting the relay. The Olympic flame will be ignited on May 10 from the sun's rays at the Temple of Hera near the ancient ruins of Olympia, starting a five-month journey which will culminate with the lighting of the cauldron at the Sydney Olympic stadium on September 15. ``The official relay of the torch begins next month in Greece and I thought it would be nice to fly a torch in space as our official precursor of the event,'' Thomas said. ``The torch will fly over almost all of the countries that will participate in the Olympic Games.''"}, {"response": 20, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Thu, Aug 31, 2000 (09:46)", "body": "NBCOlympics.com has some excellent chats on various Olympic sports. Care to chat about rhythmic gymnastics or trampoline?"}, {"response": 21, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Thu, Aug 31, 2000 (17:22)", "body": "OK!"}, {"response": 22, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Mon, Sep 18, 2000 (19:13)", "body": "UH alum O\ufffdToole helps U.S. water polo team to victory Former University of Hawaii player Maureen O'Toole helped keep the U.S. women's water polo team unbeaten by scoring two goals and assisting on three others in a 7-5 victory over Russia, yesterday in Olympic competition at the Ryde Aquatic Center in Sydney. The U.S. improves to 2-0-1 and faces host nation Australia (2-1-0) today. The Americans meet Kazakstan tomorrow, their last game before the semifinals, which begin Friday. O'Toole, 39, the oldest player on her team, set up the goal that salvaged an 8-8 tie with Canada with four seconds left Saturday night. Meanwhile, the women's volleyball team, which includes former Wahine Robyn Ah Mow and Heather Bown, improved to 2-0 in prelim play with 3-0 sweep of Kenya. The women play Croatia tomorrow. The U.S. men's volleyball team,which includes Hawaii's Mike Lambert, lost its first match to Argentina, 3-1. Waipahu's world amateur champion light flyweight Brian Viloria, who outpointed Russian Sergei Kazakov, 8-6, Saturday night, will fight Brahim Asloum of France on Thursday. Viloria defeated Asloum in the quarterfinals of the world championships in August 1999 in Houston. Note from Marcia: They failed to note that former UHHilo Softball player Kristy Odamura is on the Canadian Softball team..."}, {"response": 23, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Jan 17, 2001 (20:35)", "body": "http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/dave_kindred/20010116.html No peace over resting place for 'World's Greatest Athlete' by Dave Kindred After Jim Thorpe's death in 1953, both houses of the Oklahoma Legislature approved $25,000 for a memorial and gravesite honoring the Sac and Fox Indian, an Oklahoman who may have been the 20th century's greatest athlete. \"But Oklahoma blew it,\" says Thorpe's daughter, Grace, a Native American civil rights activist who lives in Prague, Okla. \"The governor vetoed the bill.\" So began one of sports' more curious stories. The great man's widow shopped his body across America for four years before finding a burial place. Now, 112 years after Jim Thorpe's birth, comes news that the story isn't over yet. His sons and daughters are at odds as to where he should be buried. And Grace Thorpe is insisting on the return of 1912 Olympic trophies she believes are rightfully her father's, trophies that were valued then at $50,000 and today \"may be priceless,\" she says. After what Thorpe's third wife, Patricia, perceived as Oklahoma's insult to her dead husband, she twice moved his remains looking for a permanent site. She once proposed to leave the body in Carlisle, Pa., the home of the Carlisle Indian School where Thorpe had gained his first football fame, if the town would change its name to Jim Thorpe, Pa. No deal there. \"Then she was in Philadelphia,\" Grace Thorpe says, \"and saw on television a reporter named Joe Boyle talking about the Pennsylvania towns of Mauch Chunk and East Mauch Chunk. They were arguing about whether they should merge services and the like. \"Patricia thought, 'Maybe that's just the place.' She drove the two hours or so to Mauch Chunk, went into a bank and asked if anyone knew Joe Boyle. They said, 'He's right over there.' He was in the bank at that very moment.\" Soon enough, the disagreeing towns came to agreements with Mrs. Thorpe. They would merge into a town named Jim Thorpe. At a cost of $10,000 they would build a mausoleum for Thorpe's remains. \"And there, in the mausoleum in a pretty, little park, in a pretty town in the Poconos, on the Lehigh River, where they've honored Dad in many ways, even last September with as grand a parade as you'd want to see,\" Grace Thorpe says, \"is where Dad should stay.\" But her brothers don't agree. As it happens, Grace and Gail Thorpe, the only living daughters, are opposed to their three brothers' idea that, once again, Jim Thorpe's remains should be moved. Jack Thorpe, of Shawnee, Okla.: \"My father was an Oklahoman who grew up in the Indian culture here, and he should be given an Indian burial. His birthplace and one of his original homes are honored here. In Oklahoma City, there's a hospital named for him, the Jim Thorpe Rehabilitation Center. We're not thinking of any legal action, or anything, but it's only logical to have him returned.\" Grace Thorpe: \"For one thing, I believe Patricia signed a contract with the Mauch Chunk people that Dad would never be moved. As for that 'Indian burial,' Dad was a baptized Catholic. He always considered himself a Christian, and he was buried with the last rites of the Catholic Church.\" The Thorpe family is to meet this weekend hoping to end the controversy. Meanwhile, Grace Thorpe says she's organizing a \"Justice for Jim Thorpe Committee\" in her continuing efforts to locate and acquire two trophies given to her father for his victories in the 1912 Olympics at Stockholm, Sweden. \"One was a life-size bust of the King of Sweden, the other was a Viking ship encrusted with semi-precious jewels made for the czar of Russia,\" she says. Thorpe was forced to return the trophies, along with his gold medals in the pentathlon and decathlon, because the U.S. Amateur Athletic Union declared him a professional for having accepted a few dollars for playing summertime minor-league baseball. The gold medals were returned to Thorpe posthumously in 1982. But not the trophies. \"I think they're somewhere in the International Olympic Committee's museum in Switzerland,\" Grace Thorpe says. \"But they're not on display. A reporter has said he saw the bust of the king of Sweden still in a wooden box marked 'Carlisle Indian School.' And we've seen a picture of the Viking ship, but not the trophy itself.\" Dave Kindred is a contributing writer for The Sporting News. E-mail him at kindred@sportingnews.com."}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Feb 13, 2002 (09:45)", "body": "Anyone following the ice skating controversry where the Canadians got 2nd to the Russians in the figure skating? I had to agree with everyone else in the world (except the judges in the event) that they should have gone home to Canada with the gold. Sale is darling, she and her partner skated masterfully and clearly beat the Russians in the technical aspects (yet three judges had them tied). We haven't heard the end of this."}, {"response": 25, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Feb 14, 2002 (22:01)", "body": "Sale and Pelletier vs a Russian team for the Gold. The Russians had obvious flaws, the Canadians were near perfect technically. But the judges gave the Russians a 5-4 win. The Judges voting for the Russians were Russia, Ukraine, Poland, China and France. Does this take you back to the Lillehammer 94 Olympics where Nancy Kerrigan skated to perfection and the Judges gave it to Oksana Baiul who two footed one of her landings. When the Russian couple went to accept their medals they looked very uncomfortable. The Canadian couple were grief stricken. Apparently there was a \"deal\" made and the results have already been determined in the ice dancing, Italy will get the gold, Russia Silver and French bronze. From Christine Brennan, USA Today. French judge Marie Reine Le Gougne, who voted for the Russians, told members of the International Skating Union's prestigious technical committee, as well as a few judges, that she was forced by her federation to vote for the Russians in a deal that would deliver a vote for the French team in the ice dancing competition later in the Olympic Games. There also were very credible reports that Le Gougne is trying to become a member of the important ISU technical committee, and that it's well known that Russian votes are needed to get yourself elected to that post. I've been defending figure skating for years. Defending it against my numerous sportswriting colleagues who say it really isn't a sport. Defending its judges. Defending its arcane ways. Generally, defending everything. I can't defend it anymore. Not after what happened Monday night in the pairs competition at the Olympic Games. Not after the most awful decision I have witnessed in 14 years of covering this sport. Not after what is looking more and more like a decision that was rigged days or even weeks before Jamie Sale and David Pelletier skated one of the great performances in Olympic history, only to have the gold medal taken from them by five misguided people on the nine-person judging panel. I know what you're thinking: a figure skating judging controversy at the Olympics? Can you imagine? But this one is different. This one is seamier. This one is more tangible. This one was all over national television, featuring the angry and hurt voices of some of the sport's best-known stars and experts. And, most importantly, this one didn't involve ice dancing, but one of those events you can quantify, at least a little bit: Pairs. Really, there's no defending figure skating anymore. You can't trust the judging, which means you can't trust the results. This one is bad. So bad that if I'm the International Olympic Committee, especially the new and improved IOC, I'd immediately do one of two things: 1. Thoroughly investigate the decision that gave the gold medal to Russians Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze, and be prepared to nullify or overturn the results if they find the judges did in fact cheat this badly; or 2. Kick figure skating out of the Olympics. This sounds rash, I know, but I say this because the sport of figure skating is losing whatever credibility it had, and it's doing so by the minute. What was an outrage when it happened late Monday night is now becoming a full- fledged sports scandal. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/comment/brennan/2002-02-12-brennan-pairs.htm"}, {"response": 26, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Feb 16, 2002 (23:00)", "body": "Strange how politics has invaded every part of our existence. Sad! I actually feel sorry for the Russians. They are being made to feel like the villains, and they are not."}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Feb 17, 2002 (19:39)", "body": "They aren't. The judges are the villains in this case, or at least one of them who made a \"deal\"."}, {"response": 28, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Wed, Feb 20, 2002 (00:44)", "body": "Finally they are getting their ducks in a row. I think it will always be a problem, though. Scott Hamilton said as much."}, {"response": 29, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 22, 2002 (20:14)", "body": "Olympics come of (the under)age by Dave Kindred www.sportingnews.com/magazine Welcome to the Salt Lake Games, where some of the sports are barely older than many of the competitors. Here's an idea to liven up the Winter Olympics: send figure skaters down the bobsled run. Enough already with the frozen smiles of artistic impression. Send the sequined ones down the steep, twisting, icy intestine. There would be no judges' controversy, no scandal, no \"threat to the sport's integrity.\" There'd be spangles scattered everywhere. Think about it. Down the bob run on skates. Maybe 80 miles per hour. No music, no mousse, no rouge. No \"fragile\" Frenchwoman pressured into a backroom deal with the Russian judge, trading her vote on pairs for his on dancing. If we sent the skaters down the bob run, there would be no politics, no guessing, no favors exchanged. There'd be quadruple lutzes by the dozens, though none on purpose. O, diary, such a sweet prospect . . . Instead, we get figure skating as it is. A show. A nice show. But a show. Do a quadruple lutz to avoid a cement-head goon with a stick, it's a sport. Do a sit-spin to \"Love Story,\" it's a show. It's a show so swollen with self-importance that when a judge goes \"fragile,\" we are subjected to a media uproar. One out-of-her-wig commentator, without irony, christened it \"The Scandal That Ate the Salt Lake City Games.\" Excuse me? We're talking figure skating. The idea of figure skating as a sport is scandal in itself. Kindred's first rule of sports: no sequins. What happened is that one judge's vote -- the breakable Frenchwoman's -- gave the pairs figure skating gold medal to Russians rather than to the superior Canadians. The ensuing media coverage was so intense you'd have thought something important had happened, such as Shaq's toe healing overnight. Having said all that, I also should say it's possible, perhaps even probable, that \"something important\" now has a definition beyond the grasp of witnesses old enough to vote. For instance, snowboarding, in which the United States won its first gold medal of these games, seems to have become \"something important.\" Snowboards didn't exist in Mickey Mantle's prime. It was 1965 when Sherman Poppen, an industrial gases engineer in Muskegon, Mich., fastened two skis together so his little girl could stay upright on the snow. Poppen's wife called the resulting surfboard-like contraption a \"snurfer.\" (For small favors we should be grateful; at least \"snowboarding\" doesn't suggest the nasal congestion of \"snurfing.\") Soon enough, skiers being instinctive elitists, snowboarders were shuffled off into their own little world. It's a maverick child's world with a lifestyle given to rebellion, spiky haircuts, soul-patch chin whiskers, baggy pants, aromatic weed and punk rock. (Do we slide to \"I Wanna Be Sedated\" or \"Blitzkrieg Bop\"?) Or, as Hank Stuever of The Washington Post wrote, \"It's about feeling like a really smart 11-year-old.\" Even older, 19, the U.S. snowboarding halfpiper Danny Kass punctuated his silver-medal excitement by shouting, \"I'm going to be on the Count Chocula box!\" Snowboarding halfpipe, the chilly cousin of X Games skateboarding, comes with its own language: grabs and no-grabs, grabs with amplitude, McTwists and monstrous airs (among them roast beef airs, chicken salad airs, Mellon Collie airs). And listen to this from a TV analyst about a maneuver from a moguls run in free-style skiing: \"He mixes the water with a little flour, adds the yeast, preheats the oven, bakes it, the dough rises, and he delivers a fresh dinner roll.\" Oh, my. Whatever all that means, it certainly must move a listener or three to long for the simple sporting pleasure of a John Madden \"Bam! Boom! Pow!\" Such a complicated world, these Winter Olympics. Did you know: 1) K2 Mod X speedskating boots are two precious ounces lighter than the combat boots of yore?; 2) The Salt Lake City speedskating surface -- \"fast ice,\" it's called -- is produced by spraying 24 layers of deionized, purified water three-quarters of an inch thick?; 3) Norway sent 40 technicians to Utah to examine snow before deciding which of 175 waxes would work best on which skis for which race?; 4) Scientists believe \"gene doping\" may be used in the near future to cause the body to produce, undetectably, performance-enhancing substances now banned or even change fast-twitch muscles to slow-twitch? Happily, there's a haven of simplicity available to everyone who ever owned a Flexible Flyer. There's one event with which we all can identify. Despite the ominous sound of its name, skeleton is just a matter of belly-flopping onto your little Flyer. Granted, it's belly-flopping onto a 3 1/2-foot long, 80-pound sled that looks like (to quote a nervous writer) \"a shortened gurney, without wheels.\" And you do fly down a bobsled run with your chin an inch above the ice at 80 mph knowing you might be thrown off and transformed into a sack of bones. Otherwise, it's the same deal as sle"}, {"response": 30, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Feb 22, 2002 (20:40)", "body": "Terry please create this topic - I tried and was unsuccessful. Subject: Athens Olympics 2004 Text: The Summer Games of 2004 will be played in the home of the Olympics, Athens, Greece. Come here to keep up with the developments. Only 900+ days until the opening ceremonies."}, {"response": 31, "author": "terry", "date": "Tue, Feb 28, 2006 (09:17)", "body": "TURIN, Italy (AP) -- Arrivederci, eh? Turin bid farewell to its Olympics and handed over custody of the Winter Games to Vancouver in a spectacular, circus-like closing ceremony Sunday night, with a legion of clowns, acrobats and daredevils echoing both the misadventures and magnificence of the past two weeks. The Olympic flame was barely extinguished when fireworks and confetti -- an Italian invention -- filled the air. Any wistfulness was swiftly submerged in the din, some of it provided by Latin pop sensation Ricky Martin; athletes joined the cast in dancing on the stage. The theme of the evening was Carnevale, the annual festival being celebrated across Italy over the weekend. Some athletes wore red clown noses as they marched across the huge stage of Olympic Stadium, and many of the 35,000 spectators donned devil and angel masks. Italy had an extra reason to celebrate -- a new national hero headlining the first-ever medal ceremony included in a Winter Games' closing festivities. Italy's Giorgio di Centa took gold in the 50km cross country skiing race on the final day of the games. The crowd exploded in cheers and waved a sea of tiny Italian flags as di Centa and his fellow medalists strode to the podium. Helping bestow the medals was di Centa's sister, Manuela, an International Olympic Committee member and former cross country medalist herself. Before declaring the games closed, IOC president Jacques Rogge described the Turin Olympics as \"truly magnificent.\" \"You have succeeded brilliantly in meeting your challenge,\" he told organizers. \"Grazie, Torino.\" \"We've done it,\" exulted Valentino Castellani, the organizing committee chief. While Castellani spoke, an intruder who had obtained a staff ski-jacket approached the microphone and shouted, \"Passion lives in Torino\" before being whisked away by security officers. He was taken into custody for questioning. The spotlight then shifted to Vancouver, host of the 2010 Games, with the raising of Canada's Maple Leaf flag and a resounding rendition of \"O, Canada\" by British Columbia-born opera star Ben Heppner. An Olympic flag was handed by Turin Mayor Sergio Chiamparino to Rogge and then to Vancouver Mayor Sam Sullivan. A quadriplegic since breaking his neck skiing at 19, Sullivan was unable to grasp the flag pole and wave it himself. Instead, Rogge placed the flag in a special cylinder on Sullivan's motorized wheelchair, and the elated mayor spun around several times to make the flag flutter, to the crowd's delight. Thus ended the Winter Olympics and now we're on to Vancouver in 2010"}, {"response": 32, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Fri, Mar 31, 2006 (20:22)", "body": "I hope to make it there. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 80, "subject": "sports calendar", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Sep  9, 2005 (13:31)", "body": "Columbus, OH - 8:00 PM ET If you can only watch one game this year, this is the one. Two storied programs. Vince Young. Ted Ginn Jr. Winner becomes a favorite to reach the Rose Bowl. Goosebumps get goosebumps over games like this. ABC Channel 24 in Austin, Texas 7 pm Central (Texas) time"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Sep 14, 2005 (09:29)", "body": "Ticket Solutions - Tickets to any event. Sports, Concerts, and Theatre. 200% Guarantee! Click Here Hey, it will help fund the Spring. So buy your tickets here. sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 81, "subject": "surfing", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Dec  9, 2005 (21:47)", "body": "Board shortage - the sport of surfing is in turmoil after the world's largest producer of the foam blocks used to make surfboards closed down, citing over-regulation. Surfermag reports the story slightly more optimistically, but everyone seems to be throwing the word \"apocolypse\" around a lot. Surfer Steve will tell you how to make your own surf board - it looks easy enough, up to the point where he tells you to use Clark foam. http://sportsfilter.com sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 82, "subject": "sports gambling", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Mar 20, 2006 (21:50)", "body": "Here's something Marc Cuban wrote in his http://blogmaverick.com today. Wanna Bet ? Its been a month since the Super Bowl. March Madness is here and the NCAA march to the Final Four is about to begin. What is the common element between the two ? Gambling. EVeryone is going to be asked to participate in an office , school or online pool to predict the winner, and most likely some other derivative outcome. The score after a quarter, number of wins for a conference, whatever. And when we get to the final two teams, then someone from each school is going to make a public wager that prominently features something of pride from their school. And all of it is illegal. And everyone does it. We just hope we dont get Neuheisel\ufffdd. That someone we work with wont turn us in and make a big stink over it for some reason. So why is it that we can and do bet on the outcome of the big sporting events in this country by the millions, but gambling is illegal ? Why is it that we can go to Las Vegas, Atlantic City, or any of a hundred plus boats, reservations or other locations, in municipalities who found themselves in a position where they needed money ? What made gambling ok in those locations, but not others ? Of course we can buy lottery tickets everywhere and anywhere. Its so easy, that we never read about suckers falling for the email lottery scams. Of course there is also poker. THe same game many of us have played penny ante since we were kids, can now be found on tv every other minute. Its probably the most widely broadcast \ufffdsport\ufffd and its only reason for being is gambling. Then of course there is gambling online. Not just poker, but hundreds of other games that have been around for a long time, with many others being invented by the week. Can we live in an era of any more hypocrisy ? sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 83, "subject": "Tour de France", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Sun, Jul  2, 2006 (10:49)", "body": "I am watching this slightly delayed on my dvr on OLN channel 470 in Austin on Time Warner cable. Jan Bruyneel just jumped out of his car and gave Ekimov (\"Eky\") a push. He was having some mechanical problems. I was glad to see my favorite, Thor Hushovd (the Norwegian in green), win the yellow jersey for his time in the 4.4 mile prologue yesterday. Today is for the sprinters, and it's underway."}, {"response": 2, "author": "cfadm", "date": "Sat, Jul 22, 2006 (11:54)", "body": "Floyd Landis! from my own http://austincast.com/blog Today, Landis nailed it in the time trail, besting Oscar Peirero and Carlos Sastre by enough to ride in to Paris tomorrow toasting with champagne. Landis is up by 59 seconds over Oscar and they're good friends so no one expects a challenge or breakout from Oscar. But then again, this has been the strangest of Tour de France's. This blog entries are from the previous two days and are on http://touroftexas.com/blog http://austinblogger.com/blog and http://austincast.com/blog (3 replicant posts) Floyd Landis - Superman? from worst to best in one day By austincast Two days ago Floyd Landis had one French newspapers depicted at the \ufffdworst performance in Tour history\ufffd. (pictured left on the podium with Bernard Hinault the five time Tour winner) Yesterday, Floyd had what may be called the best peformance in Tour de France history. The 30-year-old Landis, who said two weeks ago that he would soon need a full hip replacement, rebounded to ride alone to victory by almost six minutes in yesterday\ufffds mountain stage. The effort jumped Landis, who rides for the Swiss Phonak team, from 8 minutes, 8 seconds behind race leader Oscar Pereiro of Spain\ufffds Caisse d\ufffdEpargne to third place, 30 seconds behind Pereiro and 18 seconds behind Carlos Sastre of CSC. Landis performance was legendary, but he\ufffds not satisfied. If you want to read a great cycling bloggers rundown, check out Martin Dugard\ufffds blog, here\ufffds a tidbit from that blog entry: \ufffdThat he did. Per his style, Landis didn\ufffdt explode away from the peloton in the manner of most breakaways. Rather, he gradually left a yellow jersey group containing Oscar Pereiro, Cadel Evans, Andreas Kloden, and Denis Menchov. He tiptoes away like a cat burglar, as if afraid of drawing attention to himself. Landis then began an 80-mile individual time trial, constantly dousing himself with water on this humid mountain afternoon, at one point pulling so far ahead that he was the virtual leader of the race.\ufffd . . . Ah\ufffd but when Floyd crossed the line today, fist thrust into the air and a scowl on his face, Amber Landis jumped up and down. \ufffdOh, baby!\ufffd she screamed, fighting back tears. Only this time they were tears of joy. And, if I am to be honest here, I was a little misty, too\ufffd So tomorrow the stage is a little on the downhill side, a 120-mile run from Morzine down into Macon. Teams might try to take a little bite out of Landis, hoping to gain a few seconds on him before Saturday\ufffds time trial. With Pereiro (with whom Landis ate breakfast this morning, just the two of them) 30 seconds in front and Sastre 18 seconds up, Landis is close enough that a powerful time-trial Saturday will likely win him the Tour.\ufffd Like I said, it\ufffds a great blog entry from a guy who was sitting watching the race with Amber Landis. http://blogs.active.com/dugard/ This race, can you believe it, could go right down to the Champs Elysees on Sunday. Posted in cycling, event, lance, lancearmstrong, tourdefrance, letour | Edit | No Comments July 20th, 2006 Floyd Landis amazing recovery By austincast \ufffdI am here to win the Tour de France\ufffd was the reply given when he was asked to comment on his amazing comeback in today\ufffds stage of the tour de france at the podium. At the start of the last mountain stage, the favourites for the yellow jersey were, the current holder Oscar Perreiro, Menchov, Carlos Sastre, Dressel and a few others. But Floyd Landis wasn\ufffdt even counted as a contender anymore. At yesterdays mountain stage, Landis lost 10 minutes to Perreiro for an overall deficit of 8 minutes. Coming into the final mountain stage today, no one expected Landis to be in the top 5 fnish let alone the maillot jaune (yellow jersey), but after todays incredible breakaway from the peloton, Landis managed to build up a 7 minute lead which he held on till the finish of the 200.5 km mountain stage with steep ascents amounting to upto 10 degrees in the final 20 kms. Today\ufffds stage was an awesome comeback by Landis, who had been written off by the Frech Press sometime back, when he held the yellow jersey, as some one who wasnt really worthy of it. Like the OLN announcers said, Landis seemed like a man possessed. He didn\ufffdt know what went wrong yesterday having cracked in the final 20 kms losing a huge 10 minutes. He made no excuses and today he was the man to reckon. As of today Perreiro leads in the general classification, with Sastre 12 seconds behind and Landis 30 seconds back. So who\ufffds it going to be? Saturday\ufffds time trial should tell the tale of this year\ufffds Tour de France. Share and Enjoy: sports conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 9, "subject": "Sports radio and tv talk show hosts and announcers", "response_count": 30, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 1996 (22:30)", "body": "My all time favorite sports broadcasting team? It's a trio who used to announce the St. Louis Cardinals baseball games in the late 60s and early 70s. Can you guess who this would be? Who is your favroite sportscaster?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "fbrown", "date": "Sun, Aug  4, 1996 (10:51)", "body": "I guess my favorite announcer has to be Brad Sham. I couldn't wait to turn down the volume on the TV and listen to Brad call Cowboys games. I don't think he does quite as well calling the Rangers now, but he's still my favorite. Worst combination has got to be Brent Musberger and Dick Vermeil calling college football. Have either of these guys ever seen a college football rule book? During the Sugar Bowl 2 years ago (Florida-Florida State), I counted over 20 completely incorrect rule interpretations. No excuse for their incoherent ramblings about rules that don't exist at the college level."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry", "date": "Mon, Aug  5, 1996 (09:07)", "body": "But Brent was such good Saturday Night Live skit material."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug  8, 1996 (10:30)", "body": "Did you see the Statesman article today on Max and the speculation as to whether he's really Dribblin' Dick?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "max", "date": "Fri, Aug 16, 1996 (21:11)", "body": "Once and for all, let it be read here... Max Miller and Dribblin' Dick Dickerson are two different people! How do these nasty rumors get started?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Aug 17, 1996 (01:01)", "body": "That settles it then. I think John Herndon, the radio columnist for the esteemed Snakeskin started the rumor. He states that \"they both come to and left Z-102 at the same time, and both returned to KFON at the same time. They work the same split shift. Both have the same gravelly voice and Yankee-something accent (although Dickerson's attitude in in overdrive). They have identical opinions on such issues as Coach Gustafson, Big 12 football and the sports department of this newspaper, and they use the same phrases to express them.\" He goes on to say, \". . . Dickerson is the only person in radio that I've ever known who refuses to have his picture taken\" and \"one thing seems certain - you'll never catch them both in the same place at the same time.\""}, {"response": 7, "author": "oplion", "date": "Tue, Aug 20, 1996 (08:43)", "body": "Raido sports announcer of the decade(at least in Dolphin land) is Hank Goldberg,the voice of the Miami Dolphins,at AM 610 WIOD. The man gets caught up in the game and his no BS approach makes me turn down the TV and listed to Hank call the game. I'll be watching a game an remark \"Who hired this Bozo\"...off goes the sound and on comes Hank.His mimicing of Howard Cosell is great. jjftlaud"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Aug 22, 1996 (23:54)", "body": "Where's Harry (\"holy cow . . . it might be, it could be!\") Carey these days? In the Cubs booth? Or?"}, {"response": 9, "author": "slowhand", "date": "Fri, Sep 20, 1996 (18:40)", "body": "I remember growing up in New York and watching a Met's game and there was no better baseball announcer at that time then, Lindsay Nelson!!"}, {"response": 10, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 1996 (02:20)", "body": "If you want a new, fresh, sports radio talk show host to listen to........... fire up your browser and go to www.jimrome.com You can listen to his show live everyday, and also some shows are even archived. Also read the HUGE FAXes; they are hilarious. Let's bring Jim Rome to Austin!!!"}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry", "date": "Thu, Oct 31, 1996 (08:21)", "body": "http://www.jimrome.com I'll check it out. How did you discover this?"}, {"response": 12, "author": "Mariner", "date": "Sat, Nov  2, 1996 (00:19)", "body": "I listen to him on Mondays and Wednesdays when I don't work in Austin!! He's great, you should listen to some of his archived shows. It is a non-stop action packed show!!"}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry", "date": "Sat, Nov  2, 1996 (08:53)", "body": "I did check out some of the RealAudio stuff, interesting. I'd like to see Max to the same thing on his website someday with RealAudio. I'm building a RealAudio Server at barton.spring.com this weekend (another webserver of ours)."}, {"response": 14, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sat, Jun 14, 1997 (21:59)", "body": "How's the realaudio server project coming along?"}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (02:08)", "body": "Great, it's working on http://www.childrenstory.com"}, {"response": 16, "author": "ginger", "date": "Sun, Jun 15, 1997 (23:20)", "body": "Cool."}, {"response": 17, "author": "TJ", "date": "Wed, Jun 18, 1997 (13:21)", "body": "What happened to Dribblin Dick?????????"}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry", "date": "Wed, Jun 18, 1997 (15:52)", "body": "We're trying to figure that out. Are they both off the air?"}, {"response": 19, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (01:16)", "body": "Russ Hodges and Ernie Harwell doing the New York Giants Baseball games from the Polo Grounds...best of all time, with the possible exception of present day John Burnett who can, all by himself dig into his incredible memory and tell story after entertaining story during long and sometimes uneventful baseball games in Hilo!"}, {"response": 20, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (02:25)", "body": "*BLUSH* Russ Hodges and Ernie Harwell are both in the Baseball Hall of Fame. I am privileged to have my name mentioned even in the same post with theirs, even if it is obvious that you are prejudiced in my favor."}, {"response": 21, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (02:31)", "body": "Terry, could those Cardinals announcers (on KMOX Radio) in the late 60s and early 70s have been the late Harry Caray, Jack Buck, (and maybe an upstart kid named Costas)? I'm pretty sure I nailed 2 out of 3. I was a Cubs fan as a kid, but also listened to the \"hated but respected\" Cardinals on the radio. Loved Caray and Buck, but for years had a hard time with Harry as Cubs announcer because of his background for two \"hated\" teams (Cards and White Sox). But, Harry being Harry, won me over again. Holy cow! What's up in Heaven, Harry?"}, {"response": 22, "author": "BjarneJensen", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (04:06)", "body": "fuckings pesants"}, {"response": 23, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (04:08)", "body": "What brought on this short but poorly-spelled salvo of profanity?"}, {"response": 24, "author": "terry", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (11:30)", "body": "The third was Joe Garagiola, and Tim McCarver joined them later on. This was as good a sportscasting trio as you could hope for, they all went on to national prominence. Of course Harry got in hot water for nailing Auggie Busch's wife (of the beer company) and had to shuffle off to Chicago. Joe Garagiola, of course, was the former Cardinal catcher. These guys had an incredible rapport."}, {"response": 25, "author": "mrchips", "date": "Fri, Oct  8, 1999 (11:42)", "body": "Harry later claimed the rumors about nailing Busch's much younger (and beautiful) wife were not true. When asked why he didn't deny it then, he said. \"Look at her and look at me. If you were me, would you deny it?\" Ironically, Harry kept doing Budweiser commercials for the rest of his life. And I knew I had two out of three. When I listened to them as a child (a little earlier than you), there was no third on the broadcast. Garagiola (a St. Louis native from \"Dago Hill\" and Yogi Berra's childhood f iend) was still working with Joe Wolf on NBC's Game of the Week and McCarver (the best color man in the business) was still in the prime of his playing career. Of course, I guessed Costas because he was a St. Louis native and young. I think he actually started his pro broadcast career by doing the old St. Louis Spirits of the American Basketball Association in the mid 70s. He, like many great sports broadcasters, went to Syracuse University, and did Orangemen sports on the campus AM radio station there"}, {"response": 26, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (11:10)", "body": "Any comments on the Monday Night Football pick of Dennis Miller as the third booth guy instead of Rush Limbaugh. Is Miller a little too acerbic?"}, {"response": 27, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (13:09)", "body": "Lots - thought I had posted it. John and I discussed the entire deal in ABC's grab for an audience which has many other options including cable. We figured they might do a triple picture in a picture - Barney for the kids, QVC for the Mom, X Sports for the teen boys and in the big screen fore the celebrities stepping all over each other's lines. In this mex perhaps they will allow a little football to sneak through. Don't think much of it, actually. Miller will have to be differennt from what we have seen so far, I think!"}, {"response": 28, "author": "sprin5", "date": "Sat, Jul  1, 2000 (08:32)", "body": "It will be interesting to see how far afield he goes."}, {"response": 29, "author": "MarciaH", "date": "Sat, Jul  1, 2000 (13:39)", "body": "I think, if they can keep egos under control, it just might work. I hope they have a backup cast just in case. I would not even bet last night's garbage on this one. Too many unknowns. It takes chemistry to make it work."}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry", "date": "Sun, Apr 29, 2001 (19:21)", "body": "How's John these days? sports conference Main Menu"}]}]}