{"conf": "yapp", "generated_at": "2026-04-26T08:00:02.954878Z", "threads": [{"num": 1, "subject": "Testing from www.spring.com", "response_count": 163, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jun 15, 1996 (02:06)", "body": "testing email gateway 2"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 16, 1996 (12:38)", "body": "OK, I created a conference called software and I can't create topics in it now. You're saying it's becvause \b\b\b\b I set it up with mailing list enabling. Now, how do I fix software so I can go in and create new items?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 16, 1996 (12:39)", "body": "How can we get fre\b\b fre \b\b\b grex or a better text editor on here. Alsok the back sapce key doesn't work. Nor does control-h."}, {"response": 4, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Sun, Jun 16, 1996 (17:52)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > > How can we get grex or a better text editor on here. > Alsok the back sapce key doesn't work. Nor does control-h. I've installed gate on www.spring.com as the default Yapp editor, and it does line wrap. Your erase key is probably set to the Delete key. This is orthogonal to Yapp and whatever editor is in use. You can set it to backspace if it isn't already by \"stty erase \" in Unix, or prefix it with a ! from inside Yapp. You can see your current terminal settings with \"stty all\" or \"stty -a\" depending on what flavor of Unix you're using. (I presume you know most if not all of this, Paul, others reading this may not.)"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (08:20)", "body": "Can we have our headers to each response look like this? Topic 1176 [media]: '60 Minutes' Recruits Ivins, O'Rourke #101 of 101: plain brown rapper (jonl) Fri Jun 21 '96 (11:04) 2 lines ."}, {"response": 6, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (10:53)", "body": "Yes, you can define \"rsep\" to look like anything you want. Do \"help itemsep\" for some of the codes. \"help miscsep\" and \"help variables\" are also relevant. You probably want something like: def rsep \"\\nTopic %i: '%h'\\n#%r of %n: %a (%l) %d %s lines\""}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul  3, 1996 (05:36)", "body": "The biggest single impediment to gettingthis thing built right now is the editor in yapp. I need to be able to type :e to bring up the pico editor in order to get much done. AS it stands, the conference build is going extremely slow."}, {"response": 8, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Jul  3, 1996 (09:09)", "body": "You can tell Yapp to always bring up pico immediately by putting: def editor pico set edalways in your .cfonce file."}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Jul  5, 1996 (16:44)", "body": "OK that worked. I didn't have a .cfonce file so I created one? Should we set this up so this is creaed automatially when a new user signs up?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Jul  5, 1996 (16:46)", "body": "If you want to have everyone use pico, sure. This can be part of the Unix newuser process."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Jul  5, 1996 (16:49)", "body": "Let's do that then. Wow, you got back to me in about a minute. You must be online somwhere. How do you invoke the pico editor from the default editor? That might be a better thing to set up, just to make it easy for folks to get to pico from the default editor by typing :e"}, {"response": 12, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Jul  5, 1996 (16:57)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > Let's do that then. Wow, you got back to me in about a minute. YOu must > be online somwhere. HOw do you invoke the pico editor from the default > editor? That might be a better thing to set up, just to make it easy for > folks to get to pico from the default editor by typing :e I'm not sure I understand the question. You invoke the visual editor from the default editor by doing :e. If the question is, how do you tell Yapp that pico is the default visual editor for everyone, then the answer is to put: define editor pico in the /usr/bbs/rc file."}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul  9, 1996 (12:24)", "body": "The server on the web won't come up right now. There seems to be a general failure. Can't reach you at your home or office by phone. Hope this gets to you soon."}, {"response": 14, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jul  9, 1996 (20:03)", "body": "It seems to be working fine at the moment. Is there any URL in particular that doesn't seem to work for you now? The httpd error_log over the last couple days reports a number of \"user ... not found\" errors on yapp URLs, but no other errors. The user names not found are indeed not listed in /usr/bbs/etc/.htpasswd, so there's nothing suspicious there. Yapp's errorlog (/usr/bbs/errorlog) has a number of recent entries reporting files not found starting at about 6pm monday, all from your account trying to access items in the software conference. Since the software conference log (/usr/bbs/confs/software/log) reports that you killed all the items, this isn't surprising. I am curious to know if this was intentional, however. So, to sum up, I can't find anything wrong at the moment."}, {"response": 15, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul  9, 1996 (23:17)", "body": "Killed all the items? I hope not, it was a lot of work creating them."}, {"response": 16, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul  9, 1996 (23:21)", "body": "I was shocked to see the whole software conference wiped out. What happened? It was working fine last time I looked. Is there any way to recover this?"}, {"response": 17, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jul  9, 1996 (23:37)", "body": "Only if you backed up the filesystem since then. The conference log says that you were freezing, retiring, and killing items in the conference. (Did you know you were doing any of this?) Look at the /usr/bbs/confs/software/log file... It's hard to delete items unless you really mean to."}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 10, 1996 (14:14)", "body": "I never deleted a single item. There's some kind of glitch here. All I did was go through a read items. We haven't done a backup. Looks like back to the drawing board. I would like to understand what happened though so it won't happen again. I had other plans for this weekend like sailing, oh well."}, {"response": 19, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Wed, Jul 10, 1996 (14:21)", "body": "So I guess one question is: were you really online from austin.spring.com all the time from 10:50pm Monday until 10:50am Tuesday? If yes, then the question becomes, how could you have frozen, forgotten, retired, and killed every item over a 12 hour period without noticing. If no, then maybe something intentionally malicious happened at austin.spring.com. The URL access times are regular enough that it could have been the result of a script."}, {"response": 20, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 10, 1996 (23:21)", "body": "Austin.spring.com is a Windows 95 machine so no one can log in to it remotely. All I did wzs set up 162 items and then go through and read them over a short period of time. I didn't freeze, retire, kill or do anything except add to every item. The Virtual Places was topic was developing really well with over 20 responses. Some of them very eloquent and considered. I gave out the url's to Forrest Stroud and to Julie and told them to incorporate them in their websites. Now, it's back to the drawing board with a new conference called 'apps' and I plan to delete the software conference when I figure out how. I don't want to start a conference with item 163. Something happened, I hope it doesn't happen again. I can't get you by phone anymore. Maybe you're out of town or on vacation. I wonder if it's something to do with the telnet/web link? Is this possible. What could have caused this?"}, {"response": 21, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Jul 11, 1996 (06:59)", "body": "The only thing I did with the topics in this conference was to read through via a telnet session using the same commands I use to navigate on the WELL. I hit r to read a topic and n to go to the next topic. I don't use any other commands than these. Could it be that hitting 'r' or 'n' in a telnet session is causing topics to be deleted?"}, {"response": 22, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Thu, Jul 11, 1996 (08:09)", "body": "Yes, I was out of town from Monday afternoon until late Tuesday afternoon. Thursday's I am at another of my offices at Merit Network (an ISP), so the best way to reach me is by email to thalerd@eecs.umich.edu. You delete a conference either with the \"cfdelete\" command inside Yapp, or else via the web from the \"List all conferences\" page. No, it isn't possible that you could have deleted anything from a telnet session, since the logs clearly show that it was done by accessing the URLs for forgetting, freezing, retiring and killing, from the web from austin.spring.com over a 12-hour period. (See the email I sent you.)"}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Jul 11, 1996 (14:02)", "body": "There's got to be some kind of glitch, because I'm the only one that uses this machine. austin.spring.com is a Windows 95 machine. It's just as well, because I can build a better version of the conference. I'm just curious as to why this happened and I can't buy a hacker theory. I just doesn't seem likely."}, {"response": 24, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Thu, Jul 11, 1996 (14:04)", "body": "Well I can't understand how it could have anything to do with Yapp itself, since Yapp doesn't make you access URLs. I'm curious as well what could have made your browser request URLs without you knowing about it."}, {"response": 25, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Thu, Jul 11, 1996 (18:04)", "body": "After glancing at the httpd access_log some more, it looks like the URLs were accessed very methodically and in the same order the links appear on the pages, and every link was followed. Every item was frozen, forgotten, retired, and killed in order, and the buttons for these occur immediately after each other in that order. Also, every response was censored and then scribbled. This basically means that your browser was somehow walking all the links itself. What browser were you using? Does it have some sort of feature that allows it to go exploring by itself? This looks like what was happening, and is a very bad thing for a browser to do when in Yapp... -Dave"}, {"response": 26, "author": "kkreps@bga.com", "date": "Sat, Jul 13, 1996 (15:53)", "body": "Please add line feeds to this message box. I go off the page, and I go off line real fast! Also, why do I have a 30-minute limit to post a reply? Why can't I take my time and reply the next day, or whenever?"}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jul 13, 1996 (20:16)", "body": "I agree, we need to fix these text entry boxes to the text wraps. There shouldn't be a need for a message above the box that says: You have up to half an hour to submit a response from: Sat Jul 13 20:15:02 1996 Don't forget to hit ENTER (or RETURN) at the end of each line. On the WELL, the text wraps."}, {"response": 28, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sat, Jul 13, 1996 (22:03)", "body": "You don't have to respond within half an hour. The message is obsolete."}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jul 14, 1996 (07:18)", "body": "How do we implement line wrap?"}, {"response": 30, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul 16, 1996 (13:00)", "body": "Item 12 in apps has no title because I didn't fill that in on the web page Is there a way to go back and add a title?"}, {"response": 31, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jul 16, 1996 (23:08)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > How do we implement line wrap? You just need to remove the 2 tags from the item header format, and add to the end of each of the first three response header format lines if you want the Response/Date/From lines to stay on separate lines. You can make these changes from the sysconfig page (log in as sysop, and go to the \"Configure system\" page)."}, {"response": 32, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Jul 18, 1996 (23:25)", "body": "As you can see, we're beginning to change the response headers. Is there a guide to 'yapp variables' anywhere. For example, we need to know the variable for athe topic name and we need to list responses as: '3 of 29' etc. so what is the variable for the total number of responses in a given item? Here's what we have now: 1:] Response 31: Tue, Jul 16, 1996 (23:08) | Dave Thaler (thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us) And we'd like to acheive something more like this: Topic 11 [fitness]: Workouts! How'd it go today? #914 of 917: Dave Thaler (thaler) Tue 16 Jul '96 (10:23)"}, {"response": 33, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Jul 19, 1996 (08:51)", "body": "Yes, \"help variables\" will show you the variables which you can use in the form %{variable}. Not everything you need is a \"variable\" though. On the other hand, everything you need is available as a \"separator\" which you use in the form %X (\"help sep\", \"help itemsep\", \"help miscsep\", and perhaps \"help itemcond\" and \"help misccond\" are relevant). For example, a \"%h\" gives you the topic name, and \"%n\" gives you the total # of responses. Some variables synonymous with some separators. I'd start by looking at \"help itemsep\" first, and then look at the other help screens mentioned for anything you can't find there."}, {"response": 34, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jul 20, 1996 (06:57)", "body": "What would be the code to make our response headers in the telnet side look like this: Item 740 of 841 [sports]: 1996: Centennial Olympic Games - Atlanta Resp 142 of 143: Never State Expire (josh) * Fri 7/19/96 (23:13) * 4 lines"}, {"response": 35, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jul 20, 1996 (07:00)", "body": "Or better yet: Top 740 of 841 [sports]: 1996: Centennial Olympic Games - Atlanta Res 142 of 143: Never State Expire (josh) * Fri 7/19/96 (23:13) * 4 lines"}, {"response": 36, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sat, Jul 20, 1996 (11:56)", "body": "Try: Item %i of %{lastitem} [%{confname}]: %h Resp %r of %n: %a (%l) * %d * %s lines With HTML tags, it should be something like: Item %i of %{lastitem} [%{confname}]: %h<BR> Resp %r of %n: %a (<a href=\"mailto:%e\">%l</a>) * %d * %s lines<BR>"}, {"response": 37, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jul 20, 1996 (14:19)", "body": "Tried that and it looks a little wierd, it has some extra brackets and break tags that I'm not sure why they show up. Take a look at one of our topics and you'll see what I mean."}, {"response": 38, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sat, Jul 20, 1996 (22:30)", "body": "Instead of the (ampersand)lt; you need to put in a real less than sign. Same for greater than. In the text of my response, I used those escapes so you could see the HTML tags from the web instead of actually doing them."}, {"response": 39, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul 23, 1996 (12:31)", "body": "On the web, we seem to have lost all our paragraph breaks. What setting controls this in the configuration page on the web?"}, {"response": 40, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul 23, 1996 (17:43)", "body": "Dave, Kym here. I am trying to add a background to all of the pages. I added a jpg file to the gifs directory and I also put it in the www directory just in case. I am wondering how to reference that, how it must be written out. I have put it in the body tag though it doesn't seem to want to come up. I am wondering if there is a special way to reference gif or graphic files. My email is kym@spring.com"}, {"response": 41, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul 23, 1996 (17:43)", "body": "Dave, Kym here. I am trying to add a background to all of the pages. I added a jpg file to the gifs directory and I also put it in the www directory just in case. I am wondering how to reference that, how it must be written out. I have put it in the body tag though it doesn't seem to want to come up. I am wondering if there is a special way to reference gif or graphic files. My email is kym@spring.com"}, {"response": 42, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Jul 24, 1996 (09:37)", "body": "When I look at the source of pages from my browser, I see *2* BODY tags currently: BODY background=\"halk.jpg\" body background=\"chalk.jpg\" I'm not sure which one a browser will use when there's two, but one should be removed. The problem is though, that it can't find the jpg file either way. You need to give it the full pathname to look in, since the yapp gifs directory isn't the default place httpd looks. Since %{gifs} is a macro which expands to the full pathname of the gifs directory, you should change it to: BODY background=\"%{gifs}chalk.jpg\""}, {"response": 43, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Jul 25, 1996 (09:37)", "body": "In the Apps conference, we want to got back and add icons to the titles in the different topics. Where are these titles stored? Also, along the same lines, one of the titles didn't get entered so we need to go back and add it in later. We'll be needing to modify the introductory text as we go along."}, {"response": 44, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Thu, Jul 25, 1996 (11:36)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > In the Apps conference, we want to got back and add icons to the titles > in the different topics. Where are these titles stored? Also, along the > same lines, one of the titles didn't get entered so we need to go back > and add it in later. We'll be needing to modify the introductory text as > we go along. They're stored in the second line of the file containing the item text (\"help file item\") in the conference's directory. If you edit this, you should delete the \"sum\" file in the same directory, then go into yapp, join that conference, and do \"set sum\", which will regenerate the summary file. The sum file is just a cache of information which speeds things up a lot. Yapp doesn't currently allow you to edit item information from within Yapp. When it does (as you've requested), the above procedure is exactly what Yapp will be doing for you."}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 1996 (08:13)", "body": "We're going to be sending folks directly to topics from the Stroud site and if they'e not registered they get an error message if they don't have a login id and a password. Is there any way we can put a 'register' button on this error message? Also, how do we institute word wrap in this text entry box on the web?"}, {"response": 46, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 1996 (21:05)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > We're going to be sending folks directly to topics from the Stroud site and > if they're not registered they get an error message if they don't have a > login id and a password. Is there any way we can put a 'register' button > on this error message? If by \"an error message\" you mean either the prompt for User ID and Password, or an \"Authorization Required\" error message, then the answer is no, those are browser-specific things that your site has absolutely no control over as far as I know. One alternative would be to make the conference a readonly conference, which means that users can read items without being authenticated. You could then put a register button there (by putting a link in the public_read_header or public_read_footer templates). > Also, how do we institute word wrap in this text entry box on the web? Add the following line to /usr/bbs/www/rc: define txtsep \"%(L%(F%7N:%)%X%L<br<%)\" If you're not reading this from a browser, the line you want is: define txtsep \"%(L%(F%7N:%)%X%L %)\" --> Dave"}, {"response": 47, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Jul 26, 1996 (21:12)", "body": "I just noticed there was a typo in the previous message. If you're reading this from a browser, the line to add to /usr/bbs/www/rc is: define txtsep \"%(L%(F%7N:%)%X%L<br>%)\" (There was a less than which should have been a greater than) Again, the br should be surrounded by less than/greater than, and not ampersand lt; and ampersand gt;"}, {"response": 48, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Mon, Jul 29, 1996 (10:02)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > Also, how do we institute word wrap in this text entry box on the web? Put WRAP=SOFT as an attribute to the TEXTAREA tag in the enter_get and the read_footer templates."}, {"response": 49, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 1996 (05:16)", "body": "Does yapp feature an onpager and offpager command. How do you set your scroll rate and screensize?"}, {"response": 50, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 1996 (08:36)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > Does yapp feature an onpager and offpager command. No, but that's an interesting idea. What use do you have in mind? > How do you set your scroll rate and screensize? Depends on the platform. In BSD Unix (like BSDI), you can do \"stty rows 24\" while in System V Unix (like Solaris), you do \"setenv LINES 24\""}, {"response": 51, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 1996 (10:36)", "body": "We need a way for users to set their screensize and whether paging is on or off. On the WELL, they use the commands onpager and offpager. You can access this command from just about anywhere, the ok prompt or the respond/pass prompt. This is a pretty basic feature."}, {"response": 52, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 1996 (10:42)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > We need a way for users to set their screensize and whether paging is on > or off. On the WELL, they use the commands onpager and offpager. You > can access this command from just about anywhere, the ok prompt or the > respond/pass prompt. This is a pretty basic feature. Ok, that's different, and it's actually more general than that since you can specify WHICH pager to turn on (more/less/anything else). \"onpager\" -> \"define pager more\". \"offpager\" -> \"undefine pager\". Again, for screensize use \"unix 'stty rows 24'\"."}, {"response": 53, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (10:54)", "body": "Well, I set up wordwrap as you suggested above and now I'm in my first test of this feature and yes! it works. So I deleted the comment above to enter a return at the end of each line and also deleted the obsolete command that says you have one hour to e nter a response. There's no time limit on entering a response anyway. I think wordwrap should be the default that this package comes with. There's a real need for a \"fast start\" system administrator's guide with yapp."}, {"response": 54, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (11:00)", "body": "Yapp WWW Administrator writes: > I think wordwrap should be the default that this package comes with. It will be, starting with release 3.0.10 (which is about a week away now). > There's a real need for a \"fast start\" system administrator's guide with yapp. Ok, it's on the TODO list."}, {"response": 55, "author": "kkreps@bga.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (12:12)", "body": "This is the third time I've tried to report that the word wrap problem isn't completely fixed. I loose part of words, and small words from sight under the right slider of my browser. But before I can get the message submitted, I lose the cache and my mess age disappears. I follow instructions to hit reload, but whatever I wrote in this form box is gone. So you've got two problems: 1) word wrap is too wide and 2) cache is too short."}, {"response": 56, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (12:25)", "body": "OK Dave, over to you on this one. What's the fix for this? I haven't been having a problem with the word wrap, though, it seems to be working fine here. I wonder what's different about Karen's setup? Or why she's having these problems? And I'm wondering why some of the text in the apps conference introductions is double spaced."}, {"response": 57, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Aug  1, 1996 (22:36)", "body": "Dave, here's a crucial issue to getting our Stroud site up. Forrest doesn't want to link until we fix the error message when you try to log in to a topic without having an account or password. We need to error trap and have a message pop up with a url to the registration area. That way, users can come directly from the Stroud site to a related topic without having an account and still stay within the topic. Perhaps the error message would say \"click here to register\"."}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 1996 (21:37)", "body": "What's the quick command in yapp to add a new conference?"}, {"response": 59, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sun, Aug  4, 1996 (16:15)", "body": "The following is the help file from yapp. Syntax: cfcreate Description: This command can only be run by the conference administrator, and is used to create a new conference. When run, Yapp will prompt for a short conference name (used to join it), a one line description, the conference directory, logins or UIDs of fairwitnesses, the conference type (see 'help security'), and email address if the conference is linked to a mailing list (see 'help maillist'). See also: list, join, cfdelete"}, {"response": 60, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Aug  8, 1996 (08:17)", "body": "I added word wrap to the web text entry boxes but it wraps too wide for the telnet window that I use. Is there anyway to increase the margins on the word wrap and make it match the word wrap margins that you get in a telnet session? I'm writing this in a telnet session. My next response will be in a web browser text entry box. You'll see the difference."}, {"response": 61, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Aug  8, 1996 (08:19)", "body": "OK now I'm entering text in the text entry box on the web. By the way, can folks start deleting some of the useless test items they've created in this yapp conference. That would be a good way to test the kill feature of yapp. So how am I doing on word wrap?"}, {"response": 62, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Aug  8, 1996 (08:21)", "body": "OK. I lied. It looks already to me. But I know some other folks have been having a problem with this."}, {"response": 63, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Aug  8, 1996 (08:40)", "body": "On second look, the text does look too wide. Do other folks see this?"}, {"response": 64, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Thu, Aug  8, 1996 (09:12)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > By the way, can folks start deleting some of the useless test items > they've created in this yapp conference. That would be a good way > to test the kill feature of yapp. That's the host's job. Once others have responded to a topic, the author can no longer kill the topic."}, {"response": 65, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Aug 11, 1996 (07:00)", "body": "What about the wrapping problem on the web. When the web-entered items appear in a telnet session, they wrap in the middle of words and they go right to the very edge of the telnet window without leaving any margins. What's the cure for this?"}, {"response": 66, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Aug 11, 1996 (21:26)", "body": "One of my users got the following error message when trying to log in to www.spring.com and invoke the bbs command: login username -- invoking bbs -n Got error 13 (Permission denied) in opening /usr/bbs/license/registered Couldn't open and lock /usr/bbs/license/registered (euid=188) There are already 0 copies being used. Try again later. Couldn't get license for www.spring.com There were no other users logged in when this user tried this."}, {"response": 67, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Mon, Aug 12, 1996 (23:38)", "body": "Yapp WWW Administrator writes: > What about the wrapping problem on the web. When the web-entered items > appear in a telnet session, they wrap in the middle of words and they go > right to the very edge of the telnet window without leaving any margins. > What's the cure for this? Add: wrap=70 to your /usr/bbs/rc file."}, {"response": 68, "author": "kym@spring.com", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (09:44)", "body": "Dave, Kym here. Yesterday, I was trying to center the header buttons and the footer buttons. From the public_read_header I tried to center the buttons up top. When I did this, the horizontal line disappeared. When I tried to center the buttons on the public_read_footer page, it whiped out the references to the apps conference and main menu. The same was for the read_header page and the read_footer page. I restored everything back to the original format so that those things that came up missing are there now. Would you know why that would be happening?"}, {"response": 69, "author": "kym@spring.com", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (09:45)", "body": "Dave, Kym here. Yesterday, I was trying to center the header buttons and the footer buttons. From the public_read_header I tried to center the buttons up top. When I did this, the horizontal line disappeared. When I tried to center the buttons on the public_read_footer page, it whiped out the references to the apps conference and main menu. The same was for the read_header page and the read_footer page. I restored everything back to the original format so that those things that came up missing are there now. Would you know why that would be happening?"}, {"response": 70, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (11:01)", "body": "I suspect the horizontal line problem was due to your HTML, in which case you should just look for examples of HTML that does what you want (in an HTML book or other pages on the web or whatever). The references to the apps conference and main menu are generated by the confreturn and mainreturn macros, which are inside the footer macro (all three of which you will find on the System Customization page). If the \"footer\" macro was deleted from the read footers, that would of course cause the links to go away. Whether that was what happened is something we can't tell without more information."}, {"response": 71, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (11:01)", "body": "Kym must have double clicked. Is there a way to trop for double clicking so it only accepts one mouse click?"}, {"response": 72, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (11:10)", "body": "And how do I go back and edit a previous response The command in caucus is ch response xx"}, {"response": 73, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (13:18)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > And how do I go back and edit a previous response > The command in caucus is ch response xx edit xx"}, {"response": 74, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (19:29)", "body": "How do we get a blank line in between the item header and the item text? I finally got the item header like I want it except for that lack of an extra line, example: Topic 3 of 279: 'What are your favorite apps?' Response 11 of 11: Marc Y. Paulin (XTreme) Wed, Aug 14, 1996 (10:13) 7 lines Oh yes, please! Pump 'em up! :-) I like Usenet because I just have to fire up Agent, let him do his work and come back later to find all the latest posts waiting for me to be read. I don't have to stay on-line. But that's okay. I'm enjoying this place so anything will suit me. :-) Here's the code I used, in case it gets blown away again: def rsep\"\\n Topic %i of ${lastitem}: '%h'\\n Response %r of %n: %a (%l) %d %s lines\" The above is all on one line of course."}, {"response": 75, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Aug 23, 1996 (09:36)", "body": "To enter a newline into your defined separators you would need to add a \\n before the closing quotation mark. \"\\n\" creates a newline \"\\t\" creates a tab in the unix enviornment."}, {"response": 76, "author": "kkreps@bga.com", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (15:59)", "body": "Dave, I'm still finding that my text goes off the page where I can't see it on the right margin. It only goes over about 3 or 4 characters. Is it possible for you to narrow the margin-width still further on the word wrap. It's very irritating, for example , to not be able to see the word \"for\" in the preceding sentence."}, {"response": 77, "author": "kkreps@bga.com", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (16:03)", "body": "I just submitted a suggestion, but I don't see it displayed. So here goes again: The wordwrap still is too wide. I can't see about 3-4 characters that go off the right margin. (For example, in the preceeding sentence, the word \"the\" is not visible.) Can y ou narrow the character width of the word wrap in this entry field?"}, {"response": 78, "author": "kkreps@bga.com", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (16:06)", "body": "I just submitted a suggestion, but I don't see it displayed. So here goes again: The wordwrap still is too wide. I can't see about 3-4 characters that go off the right margin. (For example, in the preceeding sentence, the word \"the\" is not visible.) Can y ou narrow the character width of the word wrap in this entry field?"}, {"response": 79, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Aug 27, 1996 (16:34)", "body": "We need double click prevention, Dave. Is this possible?"}, {"response": 80, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (13:55)", "body": "We're getting lots of server errors and we have a critical demo coming up soon Dave. Please look into these. For example: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/public/read/apps/91 Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@spring.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error."}, {"response": 81, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (14:10)", "body": "Still getting those errors after rebooting the server just now."}, {"response": 82, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Sep 11, 1996 (23:38)", "body": "It's working now. Somehow, the participation file for the www account for the apps conference got corrupted, which caused Yapp to crash since it wasn't doing enough error checking. I've currently fixed the participation file, so things are working again, and I will install a fixed version of Yapp so this won't happen again probably sometime tomorrow (Thursday)."}, {"response": 83, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (07:55)", "body": "When you installed the new software you blew away the buttons that appeared in the public area that said 'login' and 'signup' that we created. How do we restore these? *urgent*"}, {"response": 84, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (08:54)", "body": "%{header} %{zprev}%{znext}%{help} {conf}/${range}${urlmods}\"> The above shows that we had a signup button before. I broke the two lines for readability. Both lines start"}, {"response": 85, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (11:17)", "body": "Paul writes: > When you installed the new software you blew away the buttons that appeared > in the public area that said 'login' and 'signup' that we created. How > do we restore these? *urgent* Um, I'm confused. When I go to (for example) http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/public/read/dsm/1 I do see signup and login buttons. (And I haven't change any templates or scripts recently.) -Dave"}, {"response": 86, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep 18, 1996 (17:17)", "body": "I fixed it before you posted this, thanks Dave."}, {"response": 87, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (15:24)", "body": "Dave/ Can you fix cfcreate so that it works? I even tried makeing it executable and that didnt' work."}, {"response": 88, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (15:27)", "body": "I was referring to using cfcreate from a shell prompt. It won't execute. It would probably be much faster to create conferences from a unix prompt but I have yet to create my first one. Also, we just built a new machine called conf.netrabbit.com and I'd like to install NetRabbit's yapp there and keep this as the Spring's yapp license. Can you just copy all of this code over and leave it here also? Or, with your permission, we could copy it over."}, {"response": 89, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (15:29)", "body": "correction: the above should read conf.netrabbit.net. I'll ask Matt to create a thalerd account there."}, {"response": 90, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (15:33)", "body": "Yapp WWW Administrator writes: > Dave/ Can you fix cfcreate so that it works? I even tried makeing it executable and that didnt' work. cfcreate should be owned by cfadm, mode 700. Also, it should only be run by cfadm. -Dave"}, {"response": 91, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (15:56)", "body": "I tried su'ing to cfadm but that didn't seem to work."}, {"response": 92, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Sep 21, 1996 (16:01)", "body": "webuser in the /usr/bbs/bin directory where cfcreate is located works fine logged in as root. But won't execute as cfadm. cfcreate won't work loggend in either as root or cfadm."}, {"response": 93, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (06:59)", "body": "When you go to create a new conference on the web there are a couple of problems: 1. a broken gif on the link to create a conference 2. The access value box is always 0, even if you change it. I just created a media conference and it would accept and store the number 16 even with repeated retries. Is this number supposted to be automatically generated by the boxes you click in the various access level choices?"}, {"response": 94, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (07:53)", "body": "In yesterday's email: Subject: bug in yapp Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew McClure To: terry@well.com Hi, I got your mail about Wm's conference. I went there and twice had the unpleasant experience of resizing the Netscape window I was typing in and having all the text I'd typed disappear. Any clues as to what he's talking about here Dave?"}, {"response": 95, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (07:55)", "body": "The biggest single problem with yapp 3.0 remains the way text looks in a telnet session that was created on a web page. It's very awkward, we tried the fixes mentioned above, but they seem to do much good. We'd like it so that lines wrap cleanly after 70 characters or so. Any more suggestions on this?"}, {"response": 96, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (11:40)", "body": "To get lines to wrap at 70 chars in telnet mode, all you need to do is put \"wrap=70\" in /usr/bbs/rc. -Dave"}, {"response": 97, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (11:55)", "body": "OK I added line wrap. Let's see the results now."}, {"response": 98, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (12:18)", "body": "OK, I'm entering this response on the web so this should be a good test of how the line wrap is working out now. I set wrap=69 and I may reduce it even more pending the output of this test. Another email from a user about some problems (Jeff is with Texas Monthly): Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:59:33 -0500 (CDT) To: terry Hello! I've been able to log on via Telnet, but Netscape still won't let me get in. And whenever I try to read a topic, I get several screenfuls atonce, socan only read the last part of the topic. I tried going hrough the Settings menu, but in the Termina l Type choice, there seems to be a bug--I type the number to change my terminal type, and I get the Internet Services menu. Any clues on this?"}, {"response": 99, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (17:04)", "body": "> Hello! I've been able to log on via Telnet, but Netscape still won't > let me get in. This sounds like a Netscape problem. > And whenever I try to read a topic, I get several > screenfuls atonce, socan only read the last part of the topic. This sounds like either there is no pager defined, or the user's screen size is set wrong. Since there is a default pager defined on the spring, I suspect the latter. > I tried > going hrough the Settings menu, but in the Terminal Type choice, there > seems to be a bug--I type the number to change my terminal type, and I > get the Internet Services menu. This sounds like an error in the menus. None of the above are really problems with Yapp, so further discussion on this should be directed to me (or someone else) personally since they're not really relevant to others on this list. Dave"}, {"response": 100, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (17:31)", "body": ""}, {"response": 101, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (06:15)", "body": "I get this when I issue the 'n' command in a telnet session, note the glitch after politics: Ok: n No new items in yapp No new items in sports No new items in apps No new items in lovelinks No new items in fitness No new items in music No new items in dpo No new items in cultures No new items in media No new items in web No new items in newtest No new items in internet No new items in tv No new items in movies No new items in politics Invalid participation file format. No new items in food No new items in books No new items in politics No new items in environment No more conferences left."}, {"response": 102, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (06:18)", "body": "jdaniel still can't access the web because the webuser command won't work anymore. Is there any way a user can change their own password on the web. By the way, Josh says our interface is superior to the WELLs in some ways. Now, if we just had another 10,000 users..."}, {"response": 103, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (06:27)", "body": "I still can't seem to get cfcreate to work from inside or outside of yapp. I've tried it logged in as su, as cfadm, as terry, I've tried it at an ok prompt and at the unix shell."}, {"response": 104, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (09:23)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > jdaniel still can't access the web because the webuser command won't work > anymore. Is there any way a user can change their own password on the web. Yes, a user can change their web password (but not their Unix password, if any) from the user preferences page. There's a link to it from the main menu. > By the way, Josh says our interface is superior to the WELLs in some ways. Glad to hear that. Maybe he can enumerate a couple of those ways and we could list them somewhere. -Dave"}, {"response": 105, "author": "cfadm@conf.netrabbit.net", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (12:58)", "body": "I'm entering this on NetRabbit. I am trying out the cfdelete command and it doesn't seem to work for conferences that have some content in them: Ok: cfdelete tv Removing members' participation files... Removing conflist entries... Removing desclist entry... Removing directory... Reloading conflist... Ok: cfdelete movies Conference is not empty. Ok: cfdelete music Conference is not empty. Ok: As you can see, tv was deleted because it had no items yet, but movies and music couldn't be deleted because they had some items."}, {"response": 106, "author": "terry@conf.netrabbit.net", "date": "Wed, Sep 25, 1996 (13:05)", "body": "I'll wait till you synch up the code till I try this again! % /usr/bbs/bin/bbs login cfadm -- invoking bbs -n Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid command: log Invalid checksum There are already 0 copies being used. Try again later. Couldn't get license for conf.netrabbit.net"}, {"response": 107, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 1996 (22:49)", "body": "www# webuser jdaniel This program must be installed setuid root www#"}, {"response": 108, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Fri, Nov 22, 1996 (09:35)", "body": "Terry and Dave, Things are going okay with the new P&P (Austen) conference. I am able to enter new topics. We have about 26 users already since Terry set up the conference late last night. I still need to explore around the back hallways here and see where I have to go and what I have to do to telnet in changes to the main page and put up my links and maybe a modified FAQ from the old site. So the host things will come, I am sure. This place seems to be pretty easily navigable, my comjpliments, Terry. There are some user troubles. Three reported not being able to get in. All different combinations of browsers and platforms. The authenication is cookie-based, right? Is there a standard setting that must be enabled or disabled for the password screen to work? Thanks. I will try not to bug you too much. Amy"}, {"response": 109, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Fri, Nov 22, 1996 (13:41)", "body": "Amy, can you be more specific about \"not being able to get in\"? Were they prompted for a login and password, which was then rejected?"}, {"response": 110, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Fri, Nov 22, 1996 (20:35)", "body": "Hello, Dave. Thanks for asking. Instead of repeating their words, I will direct you to the HELP! topic in the Austen (not Aus tin ) conference. There the users themselves tell what happened. Amy"}, {"response": 111, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (00:15)", "body": "Does Yapp have an archive function? I have yet to get into the guts here."}, {"response": 112, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (09:15)", "body": "I cannot seem to create a new topic in this conference so I suppose I will continue to post to this one, as I am beginning to feel it is quite my own. (Sorry I often slip into modified early 19th century British dialect) When is a bug a bug? And when is it a \"would be nice\" feature? And then again, \"would be nice\" features are debatable according to opinion and need. This said, I have found it is possible to create a new topic without naming it. Should there be an error message for this? Trying to new extra polite while new, Amy"}, {"response": 113, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (10:33)", "body": "One thing I notice, Amy, is that you're cont putting anything into the text box for the introctory text in new items you are creating."}, {"response": 114, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (23:19)", "body": "] One thing I notice, Amy, is that you're cont putting anything into the text box for the introctory text in new items you are creating. __________ Right. I didn't get that at first. Here's another suggestion for groups with heavy traffic -- an option offering a choice somewhere in between looking at only brand new messages and looking at 7-day-old messages."}, {"response": 115, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Nov 24, 1996 (00:36)", "body": "We have that 'recent' button does that."}, {"response": 116, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sun, Nov 24, 1996 (00:47)", "body": "Recent button? I don't see it anywhere. How many days?"}, {"response": 117, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Nov 24, 1996 (01:41)", "body": "Well it's actually the last seven days button. You can also specify a *range of responses to look at in the box with number 0 in it. You could put 9-17 for example."}, {"response": 118, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sun, Nov 24, 1996 (09:47)", "body": "Terry, you said: We have that 'recent' button does that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I found my ideal range of messages: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all/since/-.5 Perfect for me personally anyway, so I can see new posts and probably those they are referring to."}, {"response": 119, "author": "Amy@ppp-a12.bluemarble.net", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 1996 (07:46)", "body": "http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all/since/-.5 _______________ Don't laugh. I have since learned that a decimel rounds up to a whole integer. A day's worth is good, too. With our kind of traffic. Is it possible for us to have a \"tdoay's posts\" button even if it is not necesary for the other conferences. I noticed in a previous post that it is possible to change the background file by setting a default wallpaper, then overriding it for a single conference. How much of this sort of customizing can occur. Or is the new freeloader asking for too much? Amy"}, {"response": 120, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 1996 (08:44)", "body": "How willing are you to learn how to administer a conference and make changes. We'll be glad to assist you in making changes. I would suggest you get a copy of the administrator's manual. I'll drop a copy in an email to you. Can you read postscript?"}, {"response": 121, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 1996 (09:18)", "body": "Terry I was going to call you today to talk about some things, but here is a good opportunity to report something we were talking about in the Drawing Room last night. Joan has had a lot of experience as a participant in discussion lists and is very fearful that the inability to respond to individual messages may stifle the spontaneous flow of conversation we had with the branching board. I should not put it all on Joan. Lots of us miss the ability to see the structure of the responses, to change subjects in midstream and enjoy some of the other features of the wild and wooly outline style. I am so grateful to you for being so accomodating and giving us what seems to be such reliable server space that I tend to be determined to make this system work. Indeed if it has worked so well in other venues, I must believe that a) we can accomodate to the format, or b) that the format can be adapted to us. Plus, I don't want to acknowledge that format can play a life or death role in the whole feel of a community. So many other variables are in play: our common interests, affection for each other, need to convene. What has been your experience with each format and what is your opinion about the intuitiveness and naturalness of each? Amy"}, {"response": 122, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 1996 (09:18)", "body": "] How willing are you to learn how to administer a conference and make changes. __________ Most willing."}, {"response": 123, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 1996 (09:33)", "body": "My experience with the \"outline\" model is that it is much harder to keep everything in context when reading responses, and so it isn't as \"natural\" as the linear thread model, which closely parallels real life conversation. Yapp does allow responses to specific responses, but the new response is added to the end of the linear thread, with a reference back to the original response. Thus, it looks like you're changing the subject of discussion back to a previous point, which also parallels real life conversation."}, {"response": 124, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Mon, Nov 25, 1996 (10:17)", "body": "] Yapp does allow responses to specific responses, but the new response is added to the end of the linear thread, with a reference back to the original response. ___________ This may be all we need to satisfy everyone. Where can I see this feature in action? I would like to invite my fellow P&P addict, Joan, to come here and describe her experience with a forum moving from the branching format to Caucus. I trust her opinion about many things but would like your help in getting to the bottom of the \"why\" behind her belief that the sense of community was weakened by the format change. Maybe we will discover there were other factors that broke down the magic. Or we could learn something about the format that will help everybody. Also, by \"natural,\" what I think I mean is not that it is most like real verbal conversation (highly overrated anyway), but that the branching model gives a user the ability to interrupt, not go around in a circle as at a business meeting waiting for everybody to have her say. It's great for us impulsive types. Let me think about this some more. Amy"}, {"response": 125, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (00:15)", "body": "Would it be too awfully hard to put HTML error correction in the create topic function? Or is it there and just doesn't check for two //s after htttp:"}, {"response": 126, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (00:49)", "body": "] Yapp does allow responses to specific responses, but the new response is added to the end of the linear thread, with a reference back to the original response. So how is this achieved within the software? Can the new response somehow be linked directly back to its referant so that the reader can arrive there via a click or somesuch? Or does the author have to remember the message number and manually enter it, with the person interested in going back having to type the number manually into that little box at the bottom of the topic? Joan"}, {"response": 127, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (00:59)", "body": "I am finding this conference very difficult to navigate. I just added a post, but after everything cycled around and came to a stop, the las posting visible is not mine, but is \"125 of 125\" Mine should have been 126. How do I see whether my new response has arrived properly? In a different item here, I thought that it had not got posted so tried submitting again - but after that submission cycled around again, the first one now displayed, but not the one that I had just added. (the first lines were d fferent or I would never have noticed!) I am assuming that when I \"submit\" this one, my previous one will probably appear, but as I type at this moment I \"know not whether it arrived in safety.\" I am a rotten typist, and I have often had it happen that something that I post will be truncated when it appears. Is there some mysterious invisible thing that I might be typing that causes this to happen? My text looks perfectly OK in the text entry window, but when it posts some portion of it is not there. If I re-post from the same \"typing\" the same thing happens. If I delete the word before and after the truncation point and type them again, it goes through properly. What invisible thing could be making this happen? (It has happened to others on occasion, but rarely, since almost anyone types better than I do!) Joan (Austen Conf.)"}, {"response": 128, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (01:03)", "body": "I tried typing \"127\" into the box at the bottom of this topic to see if my text all arrived OK, but got the following message: Response #127 is too big (last 126) Over in Austen, when a post is added, it is displayed right after being added. This does not happen here? Pardon all of these questions, but this is confusing the"}, {"response": 129, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (19:22)", "body": "Amy, create topic does HTML syntax checking (but not error correction) but doesn't currently check for // after http:, but it probably wouldn't be hard to add. Thanks for the suggestion. Joan, entering responses to specific responses is currently only possible from the text-based interface, but it's not that hard to configure the web interface to allow it as well. I'll add it to the list of things to include in the next release (probably sometime in December). In response to your next message, this conference is linked to a mailing list and so the message doesn't actually appear until it makes it out to the mailing list, which may take a moment or two."}, {"response": 130, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (20:31)", "body": "responses to specific responses is currently only possible from the text-based interface, but it's not that hard to configure the web interface to allow it as well. I'll add it to the list of things to include in the next release (probably sometime in December). ____________ Excellent! How will you do that? With a=name tags or what?"}, {"response": 131, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (21:22)", "body": "Well, I have now been away for close to a half hour, and no posting has yet appeared..."}, {"response": 132, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (22:34)", "body": "Now I am completely confused - that posting to which I referred never did appear at all! (And I no longer remember the content.) :-("}, {"response": 133, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (00:06)", "body": "] In response to your next message, this conference is linked to a ] mailing list and so the message doesn't actually appear until it makes ] it out to the mailing list, which may take a moment or two. But I waited for over 5 minutes the other day - and nothing happened until I posted annother message - and then the first one finally appeared. So I tried it again this evening in a response similar to this - and waited a half hour, and it didn't show up. But this time when I posted a follow up it DIDN'T appear - somehow it never seemed to get posted at all. So I am still puzzled. How long should one have to wait in this conference to see whether one's mesage has arrived OK? Over in the Austen conference, it appears of its own accord; here it appears that it will not, even if it has been successfully submitted."}, {"response": 134, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (03:29)", "body": "I think I may have figured out why my earlier posting did not successfully submit - it has happened before over in Austen. I believe that in that earlier posting, when I clicked the submit button, I received an html warning message that I had one of those pointy brackets outside of an html tag. It offered me the option to fid it and re-post. So I did - but it did NOT resubmit. I believe that the resubmit button is not functioning correctly. This also seems to be true of any action that offers an oppo tunity to re-do something. While reading topics in \"new\" mode, I tried to get an image that did not display to re-load (just the image, not the topic), but after the image failed to re-load, I was jumped to the text entry window and all of the other responses in the topic which I had not yet seen were gone. I had to re-load the entire topic in order to get back to them. And while I'm thinking about it, Terry said that he thought that there was a way to get around whatever it is that forces a paragarph break in text after some number of characters is reached. Operationally, if a paragraph gets to be longer than 5 or 6 lines in the text entry window, when it gets submitted, there will be a new paragraph involuntarily begun, often in the beginning of a word. And if it is in the beginning of a word, it dropps a letter out of the word. If it happens to be in the middle of n html line, it messes up the html. Joan"}, {"response": 135, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (03:30)", "body": "(As I expected, the previous post demonstrates what I was speaking of.)"}, {"response": 136, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (03:42)", "body": "One more thought, Dave, while you are tinkering - when viewing the topic list in \"new\" mode, the listing: Topic Resps Subject 33 27 incredibly dumb and stupid questions (for newbies) (terry) in the topic column only the topics with \"new\" postings are displayed; is there any way that in the \"resps\" column, instead of showing the total number of responses, it could show the total number of NEW responses? That would be very helpful! Joan"}, {"response": 137, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (10:42)", "body": "Hi Dave, I will be assisting in the Austen conference administration and was hoping you could point me to an address to ftp the administrator's manual. Thanks in advance. Myretta"}, {"response": 138, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (17:52)", "body": "The yapp administrators guide can be found at: ftp://armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us/pub/yapp/admin_guide.ps.gz Kaylene"}, {"response": 139, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (18:23)", "body": "You'll need a postscript program to read it such as Adobe Acrobat. See the apps conference here for directions on geting Adobe Acrobat."}, {"response": 140, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (18:38)", "body": "Or get it directly from this address: ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/win/3.x/ar32e30.exe"}, {"response": 141, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Mon, Dec  2, 1996 (02:42)", "body": "Dave, I have begun dabbling with the \"bbs\" (text) version of yapp, and find myself running up against some really basic problems, and although I have read many many help files and have found out stuff that I never knew I might want to know, I was unable to find out how to read a specific response to a specific topic. The smallest unit I can display is an entire topic. How does one display, for example, only response 1 of topic 1 in this conference? Or a range of responses? Is there some way (other than in Unix) to make just one screen at a time display? (For example, in Caucus you can do ss23 [set screensize nn] and cause only one screen at a time to be displayed.) And is there a way to stop an endlessly scrolling stream of topics that I do not want to receive if I accidentally get one started? I had no luck with ^c or ^x, and ^z did stop it, but it also dumped me right out of bbs and back to the shell prompt. There must be a better way than that? Even when I got to the end of a topic and it paused for the \"reply, pass\" options I could not get it to stop - it went right on with the next (unwanted) topic. Joan"}, {"response": 142, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (15:26)", "body": "Hi again. Can you please tell me what format the admin guide is actually in. I recognize that it's a postscript file, but it seems to be in a compressed format. However neither my Sun nor my RS6000 recognize it. May I please have some advice. Thanks. Myretta"}, {"response": 143, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (18:10)", "body": "Myretta - having found the URL here, I looked again, and it is compressed in an unfamilliar (to me) format GZP. However, when I DLed it at home, I bravely tossed it to my (Mac version of) StuffIt Expander, and it decanted - er - decompressed it with no problem. Not sure how this will help you on a Unix machine, but maybe it will?"}, {"response": 144, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (18:19)", "body": "I tried Acro read as Tery suggested. No luck on windows either. I am glad I got the new 3.0 Acrobat, though, much nicere than the old 2=year-old 2.0, but as I suspected no post script conversion for this sort of doc, unless I need to rename the file to get it to work? Amy"}, {"response": 145, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (18:30)", "body": "I just realized the file is gz which is a unix compression format. If you're a shell user, ftp it to your shell area then type 'gunzip ' or, better yet. let's make a project for our unix dreamteam: make this available as an html file on a website!"}, {"response": 146, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (18:52)", "body": "Joan, you can display only response 1 of topic 1 in this conference by doing: \"r 1 noresp\" and then at the \"Respond or pass?\" prompt, do \"only 1\" or, for a range of responses, you could do: \"1-5\" (The same ranges should work from the web as well if you enter them in the \"Redisplay from response number:\" box) To display one screen at a time, you need to use a \"pager\" like more or less. For example, do \"def pager more\". An administrator should probably make this the global default."}, {"response": 147, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (19:11)", "body": ""}, {"response": 148, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (21:25)", "body": "Thanks to all. If you don't have gunzip on your UNIX system (I know I don't), I'll post an address tomorrow where you can get it."}, {"response": 149, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Tue, Dec  3, 1996 (21:27)", "body": ""}, {"response": 150, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (02:44)", "body": "OK, here is what is becoming a very frequently asked question over in the chat room: \"Can anyone tell me how to avoid the topic disappearing from the menu at spring when you have just visited it.\" This really is an annoying and frustrating experience, especially for the new folks: \"Dont worry - I'm still finding it hard to use, and I'm only getting to about 5 threads. [topics] The others go unread, which is a pity.\" What are the chances of getting the main \"menu\" of a conference to always display all of the topics in the listing, but use the color coding to show which topics have new postings? This would solve several problems: - not knowing where the heck the topic went after you read it when you are new - not being able to go back to a topic that you have already viewed without first going back out to the menu and changing the whole listing to \"all\" (and not all new folks even realize that this is possible at first) - not being able to know how many total responses are in a not-visible item in order to change the URL line in the browser to go right to the end of a long topic that has no new postings. - not being able to simply and easily go directly to a topic that has no new postings to put it into the menu in order to add a posting. (This was my own experience with this very posting! I wanted to add this message, but Topic 1 did not appear in the menu. I tried to fix up the URL line in my browser to go directly to it, but did not remember the syntax for displaying just today's messages correctly and ended up having to wait for all 149 postings to display just to get a text entry window. I must confess that quite often when presented with a situation like this, I find myself deciding to just forget about it and say nothing. And others say that they are doing the same. This is not conducive to free flow of conversation, but I think that the way of displaying the list of items when entering a topic suggested above would help to make it easier for people to navigate and converse more comfortably right from their first visit."}, {"response": 151, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (07:22)", "body": "Any clues as to how I can get this to work: www# /usr/local/bin/webuser nike This program must be installed setuid root"}, {"response": 152, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (08:30)", "body": "Or this: Ok: li porch 2 Sorry, you can't do that! Ok: help link **** LINKFROM **** Syntax: li_nkfrom Description: This will link items in the specified range in the given conference into the current conference. This can only be done by a fair-witness of the current conference. A link can be erased with the kill command. Link commands are logged to the conference log file. See also: kill, file log Ok: linkfrom porch 2 Sorry, you can't do that! I was trying to link from the austen conference to topic 2 in the porch conference. I've been getting this message a lot. And I'm a fairwitness in both conferences. I created both conferences. This is wierd, because I was able to link a couple of conference topics from austen to books and to movies just yesterday."}, {"response": 153, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (21:29)", "body": "Is there any fix for this error: 66 1 Darcy's \"nearest relations\" Got error 2 (No such file or directory) in opening /usr/bbs/confs/austen/_67 Got error 2 (No such file or directory) in opening /usr/bbs/confs/austen/_68 Got error 2 (No such file or directory) in opening /usr/bbs/confs/austen/_69 I got this doing the browse command."}, {"response": 154, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Dec  4, 1996 (23:24)", "body": "As a temporary fix, I copied topic _66 to _67, _68, _69, and _70 But that's a kludge at best."}, {"response": 155, "author": "jwinsor@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (04:09)", "body": "If we use makewebuser while in text-yapp to get into browser mode, how do we get back out of it to return to text mode again? (OK - I'm happy to report that just changing the word \"vi\" to \"pico\" in my .profile file seems to have changed my default editor to pico - when I invoked the editor here with \":e\" I did not fall into the black hole of vi. I did not need to ad anything to the path because the necessary path was already specified in the default path.)"}, {"response": 156, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (06:03)", "body": "Use makewebuser from a shell prompt or use the bang (!)."}, {"response": 157, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (06:17)", "body": "Terry, I killed 67-69 Sorry for the confusion. They were dupe topics."}, {"response": 158, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (11:33)", "body": "Thanks. I'll be back on line in 8 hours or so. I'm glad you're online!"}, {"response": 159, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (21:33)", "body": "> www# /usr/local/bin/webuser nike > This program must be installed setuid root chown root /usr/local/bin/webuser chmod 4755 /usr/local/bin/webuser"}, {"response": 160, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (11:33)", "body": "HELP!!! HELP!!! How come every time I choose topic 39 I keep getting the entire contents ot topic 1???"}, {"response": 161, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (00:43)", "body": "I'd like to see the list of topics show the following on the web: no. topic date of last response no of new responses total responses"}, {"response": 162, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Dec 24, 1996 (17:48)", "body": "I have specified the access_log file with TranferLog directive in the httpd.conf file. and the access_log is in /usr/local/etc/httpd/logs How do you restart it? I'd really like to get logging going again."}, {"response": 163, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (23:35)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > I have specified the access_log file with TranferLog directive in the > httpd.conf file. How do you restart it? You need to kill -HUP the httpd. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 10, "subject": "Our first item, or as we call it, a \"topic\"", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "matisse@workshop.matisse.net", "date": "Fri, Aug  2, 1996 (12:31)", "body": "Here we are, sitting on this planet."}, {"response": 2, "author": "matisse@workshop.matisse.net", "date": "Fri, Aug  2, 1996 (12:37)", "body": "Here we are, sitting on this planet."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Aug  2, 1996 (23:09)", "body": "Matisse, have you been watching too many nike commercials? yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 11, "subject": "Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 (fwd)", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "matisse@workshop.matisse.net", "date": "Fri, Aug  2, 1996 (12:35)", "body": "And again..."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Aug  2, 1996 (23:10)", "body": "We get the idea. We have enough test items."}, {"response": 3, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Fri, Aug  2, 1996 (23:11)", "body": "ILC is still having problems with their mail. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 12, "subject": "A topic.", "response_count": 9, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "stacey@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Aug  6, 1996 (07:58)", "body": "And quite the topic it is!"}, {"response": 2, "author": "cmorgan@southeast.net", "date": "Fri, Aug  9, 1996 (23:07)", "body": "Changing the Topic to something real now. I rather like the new Microsoft Mail. I have been a diehard Pegasus user for a long time but the lack of commitment they have displayed to a full Win95 release sorta put me off. I had problems with attachments out of different directories. Did anyone else experience this? Anyway, after about 3 minutes with the Miocrosoft Internet mail, Pegasus was in the recycle bin and shortly went from there to the void. It works very smart. I am, like Stroud, pleasantly surpris d by Microsoft's effort. I will be even more pleased with multiple address books and multiple possible signatures. I realize you can have multiple sigs now; but not as nicely implemented as in Pegasus. Other than that, its great. I look forward to future versions."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Aug 10, 1996 (09:35)", "body": "Clark, you may want to check out the email sections of our Apps conference at www.spring.com. We have quite a few topics on different email programs and full reviews of email programs from Forrest Stroud."}, {"response": 4, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Mon, Aug 19, 1996 (15:01)", "body": "Derailing the discussion, for testing porpoises: Now that we have switched from SunOS4.1.4 so Solaris 2.5, we should move ahead quicvkly with getting Yapp running on our systerm. Maybe we will use Frames, or maybe not...."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Mon, Aug 19, 1996 (23:21)", "body": "We have Solaris 2.5 also, running on a Sparc Ten at hot.spring.com."}, {"response": 6, "author": "kkoconn@205.206.213.92", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 1996 (09:31)", "body": "Can anyone tell me what the heck a gopher is ? I see software for it , I see gopher sites mentioned as part of a URL address , but what the heck is it ?"}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 1996 (09:54)", "body": "A gopher is becoming an antiquated form of providing information. I've used them but I'd be hard pressed to give you a definition. We had one for a while on the Spring but hardly anyone ever used it. I'll try and dig up a definition. Welcome to the yapp conference by the way, have you been to our conferences at http://www.spring.com ?"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 1996 (10:32)", "body": "Maybe this will help more: How does WWW compare to gopher and WAIS? While all three of these information presentation systems are client-server based, they differ in terms of their model of data. In gopher, data is either a menu, a document, an index or a telnet connection. In WAIS, everything is an index and everything that is returned from the index is a document. In WWW, everything is a (possibly) hypertext document which may be searchable. In practice, this means that WWW can represent the gopher (a menu is a list of links, a gopher document is a hypertext document without links, searches are the same, telnet sessions are the same) and WAIS (a WAIS index is a searchable page, returning a do cument with no links) data models as well as providing extra functionality. World Wide Web usage grew far beyond Gopher usage in the last few months, according to the statistics-keepers of the Internet backbone. (Of course, World Wide Web browsers can also access Gopher servers, which inflates the numbers for the latter.) WWW has long since reached critical mass, with new commercial and noncommercial sites appearing daily. from http://www.boutell.com/faq/gwais.htm"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep  1, 1996 (12:11)", "body": "And if you want the full lowdown: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/gopher-faq/faq.html yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 13, "subject": "The Netherlands are now here", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 1996 (04:52)", "body": "Welcome Jared. What's going on? yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 14, "subject": "What's happening on the Spring <A HREF=\"http://www.spring.com\">http://www.spring.com</A>", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 15, "subject": "The Yapp conference (this conference)", "response_count": 60, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 1996 (09:04)", "body": "This conference is intended to be for discussion about Yapp itself, and is linked between a number of systems around the country. It's open to anyone running Yapp who wants it."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Mon, Sep  2, 1996 (13:15)", "body": "Which systems is it linked to besides Matisse's and the Spring?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (12:44)", "body": "Do \"finger yapp@umich.edu\" and you'll get the list. There's about 9 of them."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (14:12)", "body": "OK - E-Mail Members: cfadm@thecity.sfsu.edu cflink@arbornet.org cflink@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us cflink@chinet.chinet.com cflink@drizzle.com cflink@nether.net cflink@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us cflink@www.spring.com thalerd@dip.eecs.umich.edu yappconf@matisse.net"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (14:56)", "body": "What are these different groups doing? I know about drizzle.com and matisse.net but some of the other ones are new to me. chinet? sfsu? nether? What are these?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (14:58)", "body": "Other systems. SFSU = San Francisco State University, Chinet is in Chicago, Nether.net is in Ypsilanti Michigan."}, {"response": 7, "author": "DRGEORGE@limi.ccsi.com", "date": "Tue, Sep  3, 1996 (21:22)", "body": "I'm totally new to this. Is this real time or asynchronous? If the latter, what's the delay in response time?"}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Sep  4, 1996 (08:08)", "body": "It's both. Your postings go up right away but most folks use this as a delayed time conferencing system. Feel free to roam around the new conferences (sports, apps, music, etc.) at http://www.spring.com on the web or via telnet."}, {"response": 9, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Fri, Nov 22, 1996 (09:03)", "body": "Terry, how dumb should I feel that my questions are going to all those other locations on the mailing list. Pray tell for I do not like real or imagined snickering. Amy"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (10:35)", "body": "Dont' worry about it. Any question is fair game, and if my answer is off target or I seem to miss the point, keep on asking."}, {"response": 11, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (21:20)", "body": "Terry, you asked me to ask my question over here - but in which item"}, {"response": 12, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (21:22)", "body": "I just submitted the following question, but it disappeared into cyberspace. I shall try once again - Terry, you asked me to ask my question over here - but in which item?"}, {"response": 13, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (21:24)", "body": "Now I am really confused! I re-posted my question, and now the one that did not appear the first time has appeared - but not the second try! (I can hear the snickering already!)"}, {"response": 14, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (21:26)", "body": "Since this conference is linked to a mailing list, it takes a moment or so before it appears in the conference."}, {"response": 15, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (00:23)", "body": "Hi, I posted this in the Austen conference, and Terry asked me to repost it here: OK - how do I change my log-in 'pseudonym' (nothing actually pseud about it) to read 'Anna' instead of 'Anna Price' ? I went into the change preferences section and I thought I had changed it, but when I came back here it had reverted to the first version. How do I make the change stick? yours informally, Anna to complicate matters I see that my pseudonym for Yapp is indeed 'Anna', whereas in Austen I remain 'Anna Price'. So I suppose the question should be how do I make the change show up in my old conference? in confusion, A"}, {"response": 16, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (03:40)", "body": "how do I make the change show up in my old conference? other than resign and rejoin that is. Or if I've got to resign and rejoin the Austen, is there a rapid way to mark all the topics as 'read' or do I have to work through them all again ? Anna"}, {"response": 17, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (19:28)", "body": "Anna, changing your name within a conference is another thing which is supported from the text-based interface, but the web interface needs to be configured to give you a way to do this. The release next month will have this feature included. In the meantime, the workaround is, as you've discovered, to resign and rejoin. And to answer your question about marking everything read, the answer is much the same: supported from the text-based interface, but the web interface hasn't been configured to give you a button to do this yet. This will also be released next month. (You Austen conference people are getting good at finding these things :)"}, {"response": 18, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (20:00)", "body": "In the meantime, the workaround is, as you've discovered, to resign and rejoin. Dave, thanks for reply. To complicate matters I just tried to remove Austen from my hot-list (I assume that's what you mean by resign?) and I got a 'url not found' for the delete command (I didn't think to copy the name of the url but presumably you know what it would be). This also happened when I resigned from books, but when I returned to the conference list books was no longer on my hotlist. However, despite 2 attempts austen in it's original incarnation is still on my hotlist, original pseudonym. This is of no great moment, but is mildly puzzling. any ideas as to what I should try next?"}, {"response": 19, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (20:34)", "body": "(You Austen conference people are getting good at finding these things :) _______________________ And you like this about us, right?"}, {"response": 20, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (03:16)", "body": "Anna, removing from the hotlist is not resigning. When you are at the main page of a conference, before you go into any topics, there is a button at the top of the page that says \"Resign\" - this is the one that you need, and as far as I know that is the only place that it is visible."}, {"response": 21, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (16:12)", "body": "thanks Joan"}, {"response": 22, "author": "arab@bcpl.lib.md.us", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (18:12)", "body": "I haven't asked this at the austen conf, but anticipate I'll be advised to ask dave at yapp--so here goes: When I try to call up topic #11 (the English Patient) in the Austen conf an \"application error\" message comes up, partly obscuring the first response. It reads: NETSCAPE caused a general Protection Fault in module USER.EXE at 000B:0009B. Any suggestions about what to do? The only choice in the message is \"close\" which terminates my entire internet session."}, {"response": 23, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (18:14)", "body": "Sounds like a Netscape error vs. a yapp error but I could be wrong."}, {"response": 24, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (18:39)", "body": "] \"NETSCAPE caused a general Protection Fault \" OOOh - the dreaded GPF? AS a Mac user, I have only heard DOS/Windoze folks complain about these, which I had understood to be OS errors rather than Netscape's OR yapp's."}, {"response": 25, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Nov 28, 1996 (18:42)", "body": "BTW, if this is a gatewayed conference, does that mean that html is stripped out as the postings exit through the gateway, or is it assumed that all those receiving this conference are using html-aware software?"}, {"response": 26, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 1996 (01:48)", "body": "Cross posted from Austen Terry / David ; with respect to the sign-up screen, I expected that the name I specified as my nickname (anna) would be used as my pseudonym and my full name would appear in parentheses, if at all. Maybe if you changed the sign-on screens to check which name a new user wants to use as their default nick-name for the conferences you coud avoid most of the hassle with pseudonyms. The other thing about sign-up and defaults concerns the email address. Austen is a very friendly group and I don't mind having my email address as a tag there, but in some conferences I wouldn't want that to happen. I am happy for spring to have my email address if you want it for admin/security reasons, but have you considered giving people the option of not displaying it in conferences? This might be more important if junk email takes off in a big way."}, {"response": 27, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 1996 (07:06)", "body": "These are good suggestions and I appreciate your concerns about email security. These are some good ideas for Dave to consider for his next release of Yapp."}, {"response": 28, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 1996 (08:33)", "body": "I keep thinking about possible solutions to our need to see which message a new message is in response to. The link back feature sounds interesting, though I still cannot quite picture how it would work. Another work-around that works early in the day for a big group is the since -1 option, but there is no button for it here. Later in the day on a popular topic the since -1 one returns too many messages that I have already seen. What about something like this? A button that returns new messages plus the two previous messages. In this way, if a user is tempted to respond with a crptic line or two to the immediately previous message, the reader of the new messages can quickly see what the conversation is about. You could call it New +2. Amy P.S. (all silliness) My fondness for time travel stories has led me to wonder whether, if one specifies \"since +1\" in Yapp, one can read tomorrow's posts ; ]"}, {"response": 29, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 1996 (11:07)", "body": "See, you discovered another undocumented feature! I like that suggestion you made tomorrow."}, {"response": 30, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 1996 (15:50)", "body": "Hullo from tommorow (0847 Sat) - I'm pleased to report a warm sunny day. ? A button that returns new messages plus the two previous messages. Or how about a button New + n that allows you to select how may old messages are included; it could be useful in the more complicated conferences"}, {"response": 31, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 1996 (15:56)", "body": "] New + n __________ Better and better"}, {"response": 32, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (01:00)", "body": "] Anna: Or how about a button New + n that allows you to select how may old messages are included; it could be useful in the more complicated conferences I was about to suggest this - late in the day a +2 would not be far enough back for people to know what \"I think so, too\" referred to. But I do also like the option to see all of the current day's postings - on a second login on a particular day it is still possible to see a posting that referrs back to the beginning of the day (or even farther, which is where the user-configurable option becomes very useful). Joan"}, {"response": 33, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Mon, Dec  2, 1996 (02:40)", "body": "Cross posted from Austen speaking of server errors; every time (x2) I try to forget a topic I get a server error message. When I went back to the topic I found that it had in fact been forgotten, despite the server's anxieties. The message I got went something like \"the server could not process your request, please contact webmaster@spring.com and report the fault, the time and anything you may have done to cause the problem\" since the server in fact had processed my request I didn't worry about it... I forget the times, I did nothing but click (once) on the 'forget' button (honest). This happened once while connected from home (netscape 2.01, win95, 14.4 k modem, isp ozemail.com.au) and once while connected at work (netscape 2.01, win 3.11, ethernet connection)"}, {"response": 34, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Thu, Dec  5, 1996 (18:50)", "body": "It did it again - this time I copied the error message; The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@spring.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. ~ 15 minutes ago I think ~ 1935 server time my actions were as described above"}, {"response": 35, "author": "jdaniel@well.com", "date": "Fri, Dec  6, 1996 (17:06)", "body": "I've been having trouble getting to Yapp on the Spring. Here, as Terry requested, are the results of a traceroute done to www.spring.com: Find route to: www.spring.com. (208.199.212.10), Max 30 hops, 40 byte packets 1 max13.houston.tx.ms.uu.net. (207.76.6.19): 237 ms 214 ms 234 ms 2 ar1.houston.tx.ms.uu.net. (207.76.6.3): 249 ms 231 ms 165 ms 3 fddi0-0.cr1.hou1.alter.net. (137.39.37.2): 155 ms fddi0-0.cr2.hou1.alter.net. (137.39.37.3): 179 ms fddi0-0.cr1.hou1.alter.net. (137.39.37.2): 167 ms 4 112.hssi4-0.cr2.dfw1.alter.net. (137.39.59.6): 227 ms 112.hssi4-0.cr1.dfw1.alter.net. (137.39.30.241): 205 ms 112.hssi4-0.cr2.dfw1.alter.net. (137.39.59.6): 216 ms 5 fddi0-0.gw1.dfw1.alter.net. (137.39.37.34): 326 ms 327 ms 231 ms 6 prismnet-gw.alter.net. (137.39.138.30): 265 ms 242 ms 240 ms 7 wormhole.prismnet.com. (205.166.246.21): 238 ms 339 ms 217 ms 8 www.spring.com. (208.199.212.10): 169 ms 358 ms 221 ms \ufffdTrace completed\ufffd It seems to be working better now."}, {"response": 36, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Sun, Dec  8, 1996 (16:42)", "body": "Minor oddities revisited. I attempted to link to a graphic in a post for the firs time (using the format [IMGSRC=\" http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/data/groucho.gif\" ] where ] represent pointy brackets) and as I got an image icon instead of the pic I hit reload (I was in all since 7 days). Then that posted my message again ...I also lost all the images, including the 'wallpaper' and most of the buttons."}, {"response": 37, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sun, Dec  8, 1996 (20:32)", "body": "Anna, you need a space between img & src"}, {"response": 38, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Mon, Dec  9, 1996 (15:36)", "body": "thanks Amy"}, {"response": 39, "author": "fsbcm1@aurora.alaska.edu", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (23:55)", "body": "Is it possible to add a \"conferences\" button at the bottom, along with the \"Main\" button at the bottom of the page? It would make it a little quicker to navigate around after going through the hotlist. Thanks."}, {"response": 40, "author": "fsbcm1@aurora.alaska.edu", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (23:55)", "body": "Is it possible to add a \"conferences\" button at the bottom, along with the \"Main\" button at the bottom of the page? It would make it a little quicker to navigate around after going through the hotlist. Thanks."}, {"response": 41, "author": "fsbcm1@aurora.alaska.edu", "date": "Sat, Dec 14, 1996 (23:58)", "body": "Now, why did that (double entry) happen? Only hit the submit button once."}, {"response": 42, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Tue, Dec 17, 1996 (00:04)", "body": "A thought arising from this evening's ball (Austen topic 104). When one post's a new message to a topic it would be nice if the last message read and all the new messages before one's own were displayed, rather than just the message before one's own. Usually the message before one's own is the last message read, but if you get a group all posting at once there can be several messages in between. Then one has to remember the last message read and repost. I realise yapp isn't designed as 'chat' software, but having more than one person posting to a topic at once is bound to happen again, 16/12/97, if not before. (cross posted from Austen)"}, {"response": 43, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Tue, Dec 17, 1996 (07:45)", "body": "Several members of the Austen conference seem to be experiencing the \"everything old is new again\" syndrome. That is, what we have read suddenly becomes unread and when we choose new, the entire list pops up. I have just been through the list of topics and notice that some require two or three visits to convince them that they have been read. As we are a prolific group, this can be quite time consuming. Can something be done? Is it something we're doing?"}, {"response": 44, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Tue, Dec 17, 1996 (12:48)", "body": "As an addendum to 15:43 above, when this happens it is just as if one had resigned and then rejoined the conference. One's \"pseudonym\" name reverts to the one currently registered. (I signed onto Austen using the name I had formerly used on our old BB to avoid confusion with others having the same name, and then changed the way it was registered on Spring to my normal name. Now I hve to re-type my \"pseudonm\" manually every time, or else resign and re-set what I have already re-re-re read to new and have to read it again! What is really *badly* needed is a button that will move all pointers to the end and mark everything as seen when one wants or needs to \"catch up\" - as they say in the newsgroups. We are approaching 200 topics in Austen, some of which have close to 200 responses to them, and re-reading all of this manually just to get the pointer to the end is completely impractical! This has already happened to me twice this month; the first time I *did* re-read everything - only to have it happen again last night! :- Joan"}, {"response": 45, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Dec 17, 1996 (20:54)", "body": "If you have a shell account, you can type 'fixseen'. I can empathize Joan, because this happens to me sometimes in the 'apps' conference. I'll be glad to set up anyone having this problem with a shell account."}, {"response": 46, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (00:16)", "body": "Anna writes: > When one post's a new message to a topic it would be nice if the last > message read and all the new messages before one's own were displayed, > rather than just the message before one's own. When you run Yapp from Unix, Yapp does work that way (and always has). I'll make sure the web interface does the same for the next release. -Dave"}, {"response": 47, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (12:18)", "body": "Dave and Terry, We have not dug deep enough into Yapp to know how much customization by conference is possible. I am aware the background gif can be changed from conference to conference by changing the default wallpaper parameter. But if we wanted to have our own buttons and link colors, is that also possible now -- or could it be with the new release? Amy"}, {"response": 48, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (12:47)", "body": "\"I'll be glad to set up anyone having this problem with a shell account.\" Thanks, Terry, but this is not really a viable solution. Most web browser users do not want to have to learn how to use Telnet and deal with the Unix interface, and many of our people are actually complete beginners and totally dependent on the point-and-click interface; some have said that our conference is the very first posting that they have ever made anywhere. When the software misbehaves it is excessively confusing to these novices, and discourages them from participating. When the host software esses up, they often think that something they have done is responsible, and give up. Joan"}, {"response": 49, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (18:57)", "body": "Amy asked: > if we wanted to have our own buttons and link colors, is that also possible Yes, but it's not quite as easy as global configuration. You can put commands in the conference rc file by going to the bottom of the conference host page and selecting \"rc: conference configuration commands\", or from inside Yapp in Unix with \"change rc\". The tricky part is that you have to know what you want to define. Most of these are described in the admin guide. To specify an alternate gifs directory for instance, you would add: define gifs /new/full/path/name"}, {"response": 50, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (22:46)", "body": "You're absolutely right, we have to have a great web interface if we're going to compete with the likes of the WELL ( http://www.well.com ), Electric Minds ( http://www.minds.com ) and the other great web based conferencing systems that are setting a standard. But the WELl has proven that there will always be a place for telnet for the real power users. It's real important to clarify these issues to so Dave can make the next release even more powerful and more in a league with these kinds of players."}, {"response": 51, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (11:40)", "body": "Terry and Dave, One of the appealing features of our old home was the ability to respond to a response iteratively. It made it easy to maintain and respond to a threaded discussion. I believe that there is general longing for this feature within the Austen conference. An enhancement of this sort would be met with great rejoicing. Myretta"}, {"response": 52, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (22:09)", "body": "I feel this would be a good feature if it could be turned on or off depending on the conference. For Dave, it might signify a major change in direction though. Is this pretty much the consensus of the participants in the austen conference?"}, {"response": 53, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (01:58)", "body": "To what are you referring, Terry? And to what am I referring? Without links between referents, nobody knows unless the author of a post goes to the trouble of including the response number and/or quoting what they are responding to. Myretta is now away from her computer till January, so I will attempt to field this question. For us Austenites, we came here from a site using software that both linked comments to their referents, AND quoted the referent in the response text entry window - including html coding. Both of these features would be wonderful to have - we all learned a bit of html painlessly in this manner - but the ability to link responses to the posts to which they refer is critical. At this point, we are trying to maintain our original spontenaiety in spite of, not assisted by, the software. And there are many ays on which I just plain don't make the effort to respond because it is more of an effort - I just lurk instead. You are right, though - for Dave it would mean a significant change in direction to permit this option, and it will be up to him as to whether he wants to do it. But if he doesn't, then I would definitely be interested in taking a look at other software options that might better meet our group's needs."}, {"response": 54, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (10:00)", "body": "One solution would be to place the number of the post in a bracket like this [23] which when clicked would juxtapose that response with your response. Would this be useful if Dave implemented something like this?"}, {"response": 55, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (21:00)", "body": "How would \"it\" know which number to use? And what process would cause it to be placed there? Knowing absolutely nothing about these things, what would make sense to me would be to have a button or link or some such within each posting that could be clicked on when someone wanted to comment on that particular posting - and then such a linked response would have to add something linkable to the posting that was response to, so that people could choose to jump straight to any responses that were made befor going on with the topic chronologically. Does this make sense?"}, {"response": 56, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (21:02)", "body": "(The previous post reminds me to wonder whether the breaking of paragraphs arbitrarily (and losing of one character in the process) was one of the things that Dave already fixed.)"}, {"response": 57, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Feb 14, 1997 (21:29)", "body": "Anna writes: > To complicate matters I just tried to remove Austen from my hot-list > (I assume that's what you mean by resign?) and I got a > 'url not found' for the delete command (I didn't think to copy the > name of the url but presumably you know what it would be). This also > happened when I resigned from books, but when I returned to the > conference list books was no longer on my hotlist. Your system is probably missing a script from the distribution. You should have a file called /usr/bbs/www/cgi-bin/restricted/cflistdelete if your system is missing it, let us know so that we can get it to you. Kaylene"}, {"response": 58, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Feb 15, 1997 (07:45)", "body": "$ cd /usr/bbs/www/cgi-bin/restricted $ ls browse chfn help read tags censor createlist index readhidden test cfadd debug kill remember test-cgi cfconfig e list resign thaw cfcreate e2 main respond uncensor cfdelete edit participants retire unretire cfonce enter passwd retitle userinfo chacl find post-query scribble change forget preserve sysconfig changelist freeze query sysop No cflistdelete!"}, {"response": 59, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sat, Feb 15, 1997 (12:06)", "body": "The script to delete an item from your hotlist (cflistdelete) is availble at ftp://armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us/pub/yapp/cflistdelete this script needs to be in your ~bbs/www/cgi-bin/restricted directory with the appropriate owner and permissions. Kaylene"}, {"response": 60, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Feb 15, 1997 (14:23)", "body": "Done! yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 16, "subject": "Just testing folks", "response_count": 203, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 2, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 3, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 4, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 5, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 6, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 7, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 8, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 9, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 10, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 11, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 12, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": ""}, {"response": 13, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:15)", "body": "Here is another test."}, {"response": 14, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:16)", "body": "Here is another test."}, {"response": 15, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:16)", "body": ""}, {"response": 16, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:16)", "body": ""}, {"response": 17, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:16)", "body": ""}, {"response": 18, "author": 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You'll never know when you will see me around here."}, {"response": 200, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jan  5, 1997 (19:14)", "body": "What's the fix for this: www# webuser hugo This program must be installed setuid root"}, {"response": 201, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (21:37)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > > What's the fix for this: > > www# webuser hugo > This program must be installed setuid root As root, in the directory where webuser is, do: chown root webuser chmod 4711 webuser"}, {"response": 202, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (22:35)", "body": "No cigar yet! www# cd /usr/bbs www# ls .cflist censored license tmp .software.cf cflink maillist usagelog .test.cf conflist maillist.doc www .yapp.cf conflist.dist man yapp.conf Install confs menu yapp3.0.8-dist.tar LICENSE desclist part yappthal.txt README errorlog permissions.txt bin etc rc cbf.16906 help rc.orig www# cd bin www# ls bbs cfcreate cfdelete cppart webuser www# chown root webuser www# chmod 4711 webuser www# webuser hugo This program must be installed setuid root www# chmod 471 webuser www# webuser hugo This program must be installed setuid root www# webuser doug This program must be installed setuid root www# pwd /usr/bbs/bin www#"}, {"response": 203, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Jan 10, 1997 (09:18)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > www# cd /usr/bbs > www# cd bin > www# chown root webuser > www# chmod 4711 webuser > www# webuser hugo > This program must be installed setuid root If you do \"which webuser\", you'll notice that running \"webuser\" with no path prefix runs /usr/local/bin/webuser, not /usr/bbs/bin/webuser. > % which webuser > /usr/local/bin/webuser > % ls -l /usr/local/bin/webuser > -rwsr-xr-x 1 cfadm wheel 106496 Aug 10 14:31 /usr/local/bin/webuser As you can see, the permissions are correct (-rwsr-xr-x = 4711), but it isn't owned by root, which is the problem. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 17, "subject": "Conference wallpaper", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 18, "subject": "abort", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Mon, Sep 16, 1996 (21:22)", "body": "What are we supposed to abort? Did this occur while you were fixing a bug or something? yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 19, "subject": "Sorry for another test", "response_count": 5, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "hannoa@sg-usaf.mednet.af.mil", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (08:11)", "body": "I have logged onto this conference for the first time and am sending a test message."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (09:27)", "body": "There is a page at http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/public/main that says: YAPP MAIN MENU Index of public conferences _______________________________ Welcome Screen What file generates this screen. It isn't /usr/bbs/www/templates/main because that is the page for users that are coming from the restricted area. What would be the grep or find command to search for the phrase YAPP MAIN MENU in the /usr/bbs directories and all subdirectories below this?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Tue, Sep 17, 1996 (10:16)", "body": "It's the public_main template"}, {"response": 4, "author": "lchilds@accel.net", "date": "Thu, Feb 13, 1997 (00:34)", "body": "am I heard - as I test?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Feb 13, 1997 (23:46)", "body": "You are being heard at http://www.spring.com ! yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 2, "subject": "Introductions", "response_count": 19, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jun 15, 1996 (17:20)", "body": "Paul TErr\b\b\b\b\b\b\b\b"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 16, 1996 (12:40)", "body": "We need a better editor like grex on here. Badkckpace doesn't work in this editor and it's line by line with no w line wrap."}, {"response": 3, "author": "whoami@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Thu, Jun 20, 1996 (17:25)", "body": "Hope that you get an editor that you can use effectively. I would be pretty helpless without a backspace key."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (08:26)", "body": "Can you explain how you summon another editor when you're in the middle of making a response in grex. Is it :e or something like that? Is it possible in yapp to go back and edit a previous response? Or title of an item?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (10:55)", "body": "I'm not sure what \"grex\" is for an editor, but in both gate and the builtin editor, :e and :v both go to your visual editor. No, you currently cannot go back and edit either titles or text of responses. The best you can do right now is to censor or scribble the previous response and enter it again."}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (23:43)", "body": "That's a major difference between this system and caucus. I wish at least administrators had that capability."}, {"response": 7, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jun 25, 1996 (09:59)", "body": "I agree it would be nice. It's not a difference between Yapp and PicoSpan, though. I'll add it to the todo list."}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Jul 19, 1996 (01:50)", "body": "Check in to the other items in www.spring.com/yapp.html when you get a chance, we're starting to mess with topic headers and need to know some variables. Is there a list of variables anywhere in your documentation? Some of these types of questions are detailed in one of the other conferences, yapp or test, I forget which one."}, {"response": 9, "author": "black@ohio.river.org", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (19:51)", "body": "hiya all black here (blknblu most other places) just testing things out here for the most part... hiya terry, long time no see ;)..."}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Aug  1, 1996 (16:54)", "body": "Welcome, glad you checked us out. As you can tell, we're doing a lot of building."}, {"response": 11, "author": "svura@magrabbit.com", "date": "Tue, Aug  6, 1996 (08:13)", "body": "Not sure where I should be submitting this but this is my wish list for the telnet version of www.spring.com: wraparound text ability to use the backspace key That's all, I am easily pleased!"}, {"response": 12, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Tue, Aug  6, 1996 (08:23)", "body": "Both of those are already available. wraparound text of course depends on what editor you are using. Editors such as pico, gate, etc. should do this for you. The system administrator sets the default editor, but you can set your own with \"define editor pico\" for instance. You can make your choice of editor permanent if you wish, by putting that line in a file called .cfonce in your home directory. The backspace key is not a function of Yapp, it's a result of your terminal settings. Do \"!stty erase (hit backspace)\""}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Aug 10, 1996 (09:36)", "body": "Today, we seem to have lost our response headers and there's an abbreviated version of what we had. I wonder what caused this? Any ideas Dave?"}, {"response": 14, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Mon, Aug 12, 1996 (19:17)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > Today, we seem to have lost our response headers and there's an > abbreviated version of what we had. I wonder what caused this? > Any ideas Dave? Nope. Looks okay right now."}, {"response": 15, "author": "vassilio@well.com", "date": "Sat, Aug 24, 1996 (00:03)", "body": "Can I use cyrillic alphabet to greet Terry properly?"}, {"response": 16, "author": "vassilio@well.com", "date": "Sat, Aug 24, 1996 (00:06)", "body": "Can I use cyrillic alphabet to greet Paul Terry Walhus?"}, {"response": 17, "author": "vassilio@well.com", "date": "Sat, Aug 24, 1996 (00:07)", "body": "Can I use cyrillic alphabet to greet Paul Terry Walhus?"}, {"response": 18, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Fri, Nov 22, 1996 (09:35)", "body": "Intro. I am Amy, keeper of the P&P2 BB: A discussino & support group for hopeless addicts to the 1995 A&E/BBC adamptatino of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice . Terry has kindly offered to take us on in exile as my Matt's Script keeps becoming corrupted. From heavy use? From a slow server at my very sweet but troubled local ISP? From deleting posts while folks are posting? A combination? We don't know yet. But our little community is here now. Thanks for a place to hang."}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (10:34)", "body": "Hopefully, you grow to know and love yapp, and will suit your purposes. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 20, "subject": "River Yapp: formatting issues", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 21, "subject": "conference and topic birthing center (spring)", "response_count": 5, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (07:24)", "body": "How to get a conference going: 1. login as sysop. 2. click on conference index 3. click on sysop functions to go http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/cfcreate (it may be faster to bookmark this in netscape if you're creating a lot of conferences) 4. fill in all the forms, choose either 8(normal) or 16(allows readonly) as the conference type 5. AFter it's create, telnet www.spring.com and join the conference as a normal user (not sysop) and add the first topic which is usually introductions and perhaps a few starter topics. 6. send the conference url to the search engines under several topic keywords 7. email the most popular sites on the net in this topic area with the url of the conference and an invitation to link to it from their site. They can link directly to the conference itself. It's easy to copy and paste this link from your location window in netscape. If the conference allows readonly, this is the best link to use. In the link you provide o use 'public' instead of 'restricted' in the url and do use 'all' if there isn't much content in the topic yet. for example: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/public/read/sports/10 This takes you to item 10 in the sports conference as readonly and then you can click the login or signup buttons."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (07:31)", "body": "I just created a media conference. Other related conferences in this general area of media could include: chron The Austin Chronicle aas The Statesman/austin360 website newtex New Texas texmo Texas Monthly We're trying to keep the conference title down to 8 characters or less so we can print neat formattted lists across the page."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (07:39)", "body": "More conferences to create in this general area: zines includes fringeware review newslet newsletters mags magazines epub electronic newspapers and publications After all these were created, then the navigational menu needs to be modified. You can go to the Spring main menu and click on conferences. Then click on media and communications which points to http://www.spring.com/cats/media.html (needs to be created)"}, {"response": 4, "author": "rikam@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (15:05)", "body": "Hi Terry, Starting to get the hang of this."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (16:07)", "body": "Good, just created some new conferences: internet, politics, tv, movies and web. web is pretty developed already. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 22, "subject": "urgent page me", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 23, "subject": "Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours (fwd)", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 24, "subject": "NetRabbit, yet another yapp 3.0 system", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 25, "subject": "conf.netrabbit.net - tests, bugs, etc.", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Sep 29, 1996 (23:11)", "body": "Just as I couldn't create a conference on www.spring.com, I had this result trying to delete a conference on conf.netrabbit.net 1 0F Wed Sep 25 05:53:23 1996 environment Ok: cfdelete environment Conference is not empty."}, {"response": 2, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Mon, Sep 30, 1996 (11:00)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > Just as I couldn't create a conference on www.spring.com, I had this > result trying to delete a conference on conf.netrabbit.net > > 1 0F Wed Sep 25 05:53:23 1996 environment > > Ok: cfdelete environment > Conference is not empty. This is intentional. From page 12 of the Admin Guide: To delete a conference with items in it, you must first kill all the items. -Dave yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 26, "subject": "conf.netrabbit.net tests, bugs, etc.", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "me@bedrock.com", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (14:33)", "body": "me me me me me me me me me me me me yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 27, "subject": "yapp test", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "mike@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Oct 17, 1996 (23:36)", "body": "test yapp"}, {"response": 2, "author": "cynsa@construct.net", "date": "Thu, Nov 21, 1996 (19:46)", "body": "didn't seem to work"}, {"response": 3, "author": "cynsa@construct.net", "date": "Thu, Nov 21, 1996 (19:47)", "body": "testing yapp then yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 28, "subject": "Information of ARBORNET.", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Nov 26, 1996 (10:05)", "body": "Have you tried telnetting there and signing on as a newuser? What is their telnet address. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 29, "subject": "first topic", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Nov 29, 1996 (23:32)", "body": "Welcome to the wonderful world of yapp."}, {"response": 2, "author": "yapp@www.videogamespot.com", "date": "Sat, Nov 30, 1996 (19:30)", "body": "this is the first topic yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 3, "subject": "Introdc\b\b", "response_count": 9, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (08:28)", "body": "I want to change the title of this item by typing: ch tit 3 or change title 3 or ch ti 3 How would I set up an equivalent command like this. I've been on Echo and other Caucus systems a lot and I'd like folks from Echo who visit here be able to type the comand they're used to and feel at home. The menus are coming along."}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (08:29)", "body": "Is it possible to link to a conference on another system, we have yapp 2.3 running on hot.spring.com that"}, {"response": 3, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (10:56)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > I want to change the title of this item by typing: > change title 3 Yapp currently doesn't support that. I'll add it to the todo list, though."}, {"response": 4, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (10:59)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > Is it possible to link to a conference on another system, we have yapp 2.3 > running on hot.spring.com that If it's an email conference (like this yapp conference), then it's easy to link them via the mailing list. If it's not an email conference, you can only link them if both systems can mount the same filesystem (e.g., via NFS or AFS)."}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jun 23, 1996 (23:51)", "body": "Did you get my email about one carriage return to invoke the menus? Are these response crossposted on your system in Ann Arbor or do you just get them via email?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jun 25, 1996 (10:02)", "body": "Yes I got the email, and I have made the changes locally. I've also made some changes relating to allowing Unix and web accounts to share the same information. I hope to get this done this evening."}, {"response": 7, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jun 25, 1996 (10:03)", "body": "These messages are crossposted on my system, as well as several other systems around."}, {"response": 8, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jun 25, 1996 (13:26)", "body": "Which ones?"}, {"response": 9, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jun 25, 1996 (16:58)", "body": "Do \"finger yapp@umich.edu\" for a current list. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 30, "subject": "2nd topic", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 31, "subject": "balh!", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 32, "subject": "Yapp Maintainence Log", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 33, "subject": "Yapp Maintainence", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (12:32)", "body": "Tell us about gamespot! yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 34, "subject": "\ufffd\ufffd\u0003\b\ufffdu\u0002", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 35, "subject": "Questions for Terry and Dave from the austen conference", "response_count": 20, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (18:30)", "body": "These have been mentioned before, but just happened to me again; I'll get them off my chest before the new year. if a paragraph is over a certain length, a break is inserted willy-nilly, and the last character before the break is deleted. I find this irritating; I try and keep my paragraphs short, but some ideas take a while to develop. It's really silly when several paragraphs are chopped in the last line; can you tell us how many characters per paragraph the current set-up allows? I 'forgot' a topic yesterday and got the 'server internal error, could not process your request' message again, as before the topic had in fact been forgotten when I returned to the conference"}, {"response": 2, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (14:41)", "body": "How would we go about making the [body] tag conference specific. Say we didn't want the standard link and vlink colors. Somebody must have fiddled with this -- the Mac site?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (22:17)", "body": "Amy, take a look at the code in the dsm confernce. We customized the conference background there and also in the apps conference."}, {"response": 4, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Fri, Jan  3, 1997 (22:53)", "body": "Right, Terry, I have figured out the wallpaper, but it must be a gif, which take the background attribute of the HTML body tag, not the bgcolor, vlink or link color attributes of the tag. Still having a problem getting topic creation permission specified. How do you do that? I thought 0 and public in the config file would take care of it."}, {"response": 5, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jan  4, 1997 (15:49)", "body": "Hi guys, This is from the austentest conference. It seems that we cannot add topics through the web interface. The yapp prompt seems to work just fine. These are the messages appearing in the log in public/debug: Amy Jan 3 15:51:38 1997 Got error 13 (Permission denied) in opening /usr/bbs/confs/austentest/_2 sysop Jan 3 15:56:01 1997 Got error 13 (Permission denied) in opening /usr/bbs/confs/austentest/_2 mrobens Jan 3 16:32:58 1997 Got error 13 (Permission denied) in opening /usr/bbs/confs/austentest/_2 So, you see, even sysop can't create a topic this way. What's up?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Sat, Jan  4, 1997 (16:01)", "body": "Please disregard the question in response 5. The problem was ownership of the conference directory. All set now. Thanks. Myretta"}, {"response": 7, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (23:25)", "body": "a summary of a recent discussion in Austen help; Anna I too have been struck new' about 40 minutes ago. Was any of the hosts redecorating at the time perchance? Amy Look. Just about the time the clock reset. Anna it seems probable that it is as result of loading while there is background work going on that one is struck new; has anyone informed Dave Thaler of our conclusions? If not I'll post it in Yapp."}, {"response": 8, "author": "churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu", "date": "Fri, Jan 10, 1997 (05:02)", "body": "Amy was speculating that it is people who read all threads (and so are sometimes \"caught up\" on ALL topics in a conference) who are hit by \"old is new\". Is this true for those of you who have been affected by this problem? I don't read all threads (conspicuously, I have never ventured at all into the \"drooling\" thread ), and I have never beeen affected..."}, {"response": 9, "author": "churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu", "date": "Fri, Jan 10, 1997 (05:02)", "body": "Amy was speculating that it is people who read all threads (and so are sometimes \"caught up\" on ALL topics in a conference) who are hit by \"old is new\". Is this true for those of you who have been affected by this problem? I don't read all threads (conspicuously, I have never ventured at all into the \"drooling\" thread ), and I have never beeen affected..."}, {"response": 10, "author": "churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu", "date": "Fri, Jan 10, 1997 (05:04)", "body": "So maybe we could create a dummy thread and \"freeze\" it, so that everybody could have a topic that they haven't read -- if this would prevent the problem from happening..."}, {"response": 11, "author": "churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu", "date": "Fri, Jan 10, 1997 (05:05)", "body": "So maybe we could create a dummy thread and \"freeze\" it, so that everybody could have a topic that they haven't read -- if this would prevent the problem from happening..."}, {"response": 12, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (07:34)", "body": "How are the topics (responses) marked as \"read\"? Is the mechanism the same for the web front end and the shell? I think that if we know what technically SHOULD be happening, it would help us pin down what ISN'T happening (or what is \"UNHAPPENING\")."}, {"response": 13, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (18:47)", "body": "]people who read all threads I'm not sure if I understand you correctly HC, but; I have marked a few threads (not topic 4 ;-) as forgoten, and don't read those. I do read all the new postings in all the unforgotten topics. Sometimes I use all since/-1, rarely anything else."}, {"response": 14, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (20:24)", "body": "I, too, have a couple of topics \"forgotten\" and was still struck by the old-is-new problem and had to forget them all over again. :-( Wish that would have worked!"}, {"response": 15, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Thu, Jan  9, 1997 (20:31)", "body": "Another oddity; I and a few others (Amy and Johanne have posted on it) have developed a 'peter-pan' bug. A few (only a few thank heaven) topics refuse to age. They keep on coming up on the new list, despite the fact that there have been no new posts to that topic; on viewing only the topic header is shown. For me the topics are 113, 114 and 117 in Austen and 3 in Austentest. This contrasts with the old is new, which only affected the conference I was in at the time, for me (Austen)."}, {"response": 16, "author": "aprice@mail.newcastle.edu.au", "date": "Fri, Jan 10, 1997 (00:35)", "body": "It turned out to be due to the clock troubles and the consequent post-dated posts; they are disappearing as we catch up with them."}, {"response": 17, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Sat, Mar  8, 1997 (23:00)", "body": "We have noticed that 'remember' works from the yapp prompt but not from the web interface. Is this our problem or something to be addressed in a future release?"}, {"response": 18, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Mar  9, 1997 (01:13)", "body": "I'm talking to Dave about the new release. Any clue, Myretta, why our readaudio server isn't responding (on an unrelated topic), I was looking at the site earlier tonight and couldn't get any of the realaudio files to play. Perhaps we could work together with Dave Thaler to upgrade the system to the latest release. It might solve the 'old is new\" dilemma."}, {"response": 19, "author": "mrobens@hbsp.harvard.edu", "date": "Sun, Mar  9, 1997 (09:57)", "body": "I'm afraid I'm clueless about why realaudio isn't working. Does it run as a daemon and should it, therefore, have an rc file entry. I have no docs, so I can't check. I'll be glad to discuss upgrading yapp at any time."}, {"response": 20, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sun, Mar  9, 1997 (19:17)", "body": "Myretta Robens writes: > > We have noticed that 'remember' works from the yapp prompt but not from the web interface. Is this our problem or something to be addressed in a future release? I believe this issue has been addressed already and if you upgrade to the latest release you will find that it has been fixed. Kaylene yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 36, "subject": "Questions and suggestions from the austen conference for Dave and Terry", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "fsbcm1@aurora.alaska.edu", "date": "Sun, Dec 15, 1996 (00:12)", "body": "Maybe this is the right place. Posted to topic 15, response 38-41. Hit my back button ( Netscape 3.0) and got dumped off into nowhere. Something about my post in cache had expired. Is it me? All seems to work well in the other conferences. Also, noted it didn't accept my abbreviated pseudo or show my login- gave full e-mail address. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 37, "subject": "how do I set it up so thqt[D", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Dec 18, 1996 (19:04)", "body": "Terry Walhus writes: > How do I set it up so that a conference emails all the members of conference > with the new content in the conference as it's posted? And so that they > can reply to specific topics by email? At the moment, you have to link the conference to a mailing list. Section 4.4 of the admin guide describes how to do this from Unix. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 38, "subject": "Capitol-City Conference Topics (fwd)", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Jan 10, 1997 (20:07)", "body": "I found a possible bug. Check this out: Ok: b Item Resps Subject 333 4 introductions in the Capitol City A and E conference 334 3 live music capitol of the world? 335 3 Austin Motion Picture IndustryGrapevine, Q&A, Who's Who 336 2 Austin's Fine Art community is growing! 337 3 Theatre, Dance, Ballet, Opera 338 3 Why is Austin, the Oasis of Texas, not like any other city in Texas 339 2 Who do you think is the best band in Austin? Why? 340 1 Introductions Why does it start numbering at 333 and how is the fixed? Or is it fixable at this stage? yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 39, "subject": "Status of new release", "response_count": 12, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (00:10)", "body": "Dave, how great that you are including so many features suggested by our Jane Austen community. Thank you. As to this part of your report: ] Things not done yet: ] - Allowing responses to responses from the web (requested here by Amy) ] - Updating the help files and/or admin guide to document the new features ] If there's anything you've suggested that you don't see listed above, ] please mention it again in case I missed it. ] I'm thinking about doing a release within the next couple of days with ] just the things already done, plus hopefully the documentation. Any more ] features/changes would delay the release. I believe that the response-to-response feature is perhaps the one most desired by our group. We would be so happy if you added it to the next release, we might even write you a poem. BTW, where can we see this feature in action? And how does it work in the shell version? Just like usenet? Thanks for everything. Amy"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (00:28)", "body": "It would be good if this feature were conference specific and not global."}, {"response": 3, "author": "jwinsor@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (03:38)", "body": ""}, {"response": 4, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (03:40)", "body": "Dave said: Questions/comments? Thanks for asking, Dave - there still are a few. (Possibly some have been taken care of by some items on your list that I did not understand.) It will be great to be able to mark everything seen from the web interface, BUT there is still some kind of bug operating that causes people to have everything re-set to new, and it needs to be exterminated. Also, this is very nice, and would be helpful if it would work from the web interface as well: ] - \"fixto\" command (currently from Unix only) allows marking all ] responses as read up to a specified date, unlike the current ] \"fixseen\" which marks entire items (requested by Drizzle) I don't notice this being either added or not added (yapp 1:136): when viewing the topic list in \"new\" mode, the listing: Topic Resps Subject 33 27 incredibly dumb and stupid questions (terry) in the topic column only the topics with \"new\" postings are displayed; is there any way that in the \"resps\" column, instead of showing the total number of responses, it could show the total number of NEW responses? That would be very helpful! The idea here would be to have the number in the \"Resps\" column represent the number of NEW responses, not the total of all responses in the topic. What about this \"forget\" bug reported in yapp 15:33? speaking of server errors; every time (x2) I try to forget a topic I get a server error message. When I went back to the topic I found that it had in fact been forgotten, despite the server's anxieties. The message I got went something like \"the server could not process your request, please contact webmaster@spring.com and report the fault, the time and anything you may have done to cause the problem\""}, {"response": 5, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (03:45)", "body": "I did not post the above response twice! (But I may be posting this one twice, since the html editor sent me back to \"go\"... (If so, it is worth posting twice!) And then there is the BIGGIE under things not done yet: - Allowing responses to responses from the web (requested here by Amy) It is not just Amy who longs for the implementation of this - it is fervently and universally wished for by all of us! If I had time to dig them out I could give you quotes till the cows come home! Please do consider working this in unless there is some very pressing reason for haste.!"}, {"response": 6, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (03:46)", "body": "There is also one very serious (in the eyes of Austen-ites, at least) bug/problem that did not get mentioned, and I hope it is not too late to fix. We are fond of liberal use of links to other sites relevant to our discussions, but we are unable to make use of such links because each time you do (or also each time anything happens that causes you to leave a screen of current postings) there is no way to get back to where you were. For example, if I am reading Topic X, and there are 7 new postings, including several different links, the first link that I follow ends up marking all of the rest of the postings as seen, even though I have not yet seen them, and any attempt to return to where one was results in a return to the item with no responses displayed and all marked seen, so unleess you happened to take note of the number of the response from which you left, you have no idea exactly how many other responses you have missed. The whole point of the html interface is to allow the user to move fluidly back and forth among different links, which cannot be done unless you are using a non-heml browser that keeps its own buffer. Here are just a few of MANY MANY MANY \"complaints\" about this problem in Topic 9 of the Austen conference - which we were under the impression was being linked or forwarded to the yapp conference, but eveidently never was. (I reviewed ALL of topics 1 and 15 to be sure.) (There may be other issues in topic 9, as well, but I did not re-read all of it - just searched for the word \"cache.\") Topic 9 of 105 [austen]: HELP! Response 36 of 154: Henry (churchh) * Wed, Nov 27, 1996 (20:02) This %$#@%$@ software makes it VERY easy to lose a half-composed message, because it seems to be issuing some kind of special \"no-cache\" directives to the browsers. Whenever you get that \"Bad HTML, missing quote in tag\" box, one's first instinct is always to press the back-button and re-edit and re-submit the original message -- but if one does this, the preceding page is re-loaded directly from Spring, and the form entries are lost!!! So basically, one has to start over from scratch. Even if one suppresses this natural instinctive reaction, there can still be problems. Over in the \"enigmatic messages\" thread, I was working on a message when I decided to resize my browser window -- and as a result, the page was re-loaded from Spring, and my half-completed message was lost! Furthermore, this \"no-cache thing makes the board slower to use. I have to say that it's actually better to use this site with Lynx than Netscape, since Lynx keeps a cache -- I can reload only when I choose to reload. Furthermore, my message contained a long [IMG] tag, and when this was spread over several lines, the software generated [BR] tags _inseide_ the image tag!! -- [IMG SRC=\"URL\" ALT=\"This [BR]is an explanatory [BR]message\"] (Square brackets for angle brackets here.) These two problems account for my first two attempts to post the http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~churchyh/passione.gif image to the \"enigmatic messages\" thread turning out to be complete botches Topic 9 of 105 [austen]: HELP! Response 71 of 154: The Mysterious H.C.(churchh) * Wed, Dec 4,1996(16:40) Here's the \"no-cache\" error message that you often get when you relaod (someitmes inadvertently) or try to \"go back\" -- Is this generated by the browser or the server?? [TITLE]Missing Post reply data[/TITLE] [H1]Data Missing[/H1] This document resulted from a POST operation and has expired from the cache. If you wish you can repost the form data to recreate the document by pressing the [b]reload[/b] button. Of course, pressing ``reload'' never works if you're reading new messages... Topic 9 of 105 [austen]: HELP! Response 79 of 154: Henry (churchh) * Thu, Dec 5, 1996 (10:35) Myretta, can you follow a link in a posting, or post a followup, and then \"go back\" to the original display of messages, which you may not have finished reading?? Most users of Netscape apparently CAN'T do this, due to the excessive use of no-cache directives. Topic 9 of 105 [austen]: HELP! Response 80 of 154: Myretta (mrobens) * Thu, Dec 5, 1996 (14:46) No, Henry. I can't do that. But I don't get an error message, just a screen with no posts. Topic 9 of 105 [austen]: HELP! Response 81 of 154: The Mysterious H.C. (churchh) * Thu, Dec 5, 1996 (18:33) Well, don't you think it's annoying that one is not able to do that, then? (I only get the error message sometimes -- not as often as Joan, apparently...) Topic 9 of 105 [austen]: HELP! Response 82 of 154: Myretta (mrobens) * Fri, Dec 6, 1996 (09:53) Absolutely, it's damned annoying and frequently makes me long for Amy's board."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (06:49)", "body": "I'd like to see a button in the web based version that was a combined submit and next topic button. It would save you a keystroke. Perhaps this is possible with the current version. I'd like to see an html version of the administrators manual or at least a straight text version."}, {"response": 8, "author": "Cheryl@lvx-nv10-05.ix.netcom.com", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (10:38)", "body": "I am a member of the Austen conference here to lend support to Amy's plea for the ability to have new message responses linked to the posts they are responding to. Everything is so linear, that sometimes, if the respondant i s not adept or simply forgets to copy and paste pertinent text it is hard to grasp what is being discussed. This may be a peculiar problem to our group, because we do tend to leap willy-nilly from thought to thought! Secondly, Joan's comment about following links is well taken. I know that I have been hesitant to follow a link because it can be such a pain to get back where I was."}, {"response": 9, "author": "winsor@briones.palo-alto.ca.us", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (10:52)", "body": "I do not \"get\" the color coding of the topic list. Yesterday I read all new responses and had nothing left that was listed as a new message. Today my \"new\" listing shows the following topics with new responses, however most of them are displayed in blue (unread) text, but those having asterisks are displayed in purple (already seen) text. Since all of these topics apparently containg new postings, why are some of them displayed in blue and others in purple? What is the meaning of the difference betwee the use of blue and purple text? I have been unable to figure this out. If this were a display of ALL topics I would expect to see those with no new responses in blue and those with new ones in purple, but theses are all supposedly new, so why any difference at all? Topic Resps Subject 4 157 A thread for Darcy/Firth drooling and PG innuendo (Amy) * 5 85 Irony and morality (Amy) * 16 30 Darcy's Appearance (Anna) 44 42 Rules of propriety: Regency vs Victorian (Amy) 54 13 Outer garments (Linda409) * 64 78 Favorite non-Austen movies (Zimei) * 70 57 Who else to play D'Arcy (JohanneD) 88 23 The Mysterious H.C. unveiled -- see photos on the Web! (churchh) 91 43 Guilty Pleasures: Romance in P&P (amy2) 92 24 The adaptation (Amy) * 95 19 Austen Heroines (Kali) 101 29 Ask Miss Bingley... (panache)"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (22:16)", "body": "My main thing would be to have a button that posted a response and took you to the next topic. And clicking on the final response would take you back to the the list of topics. Another great feature to have would be to be able to click on a users name and get a profile about them in the upper half of the screen with an email sendto and their webpage on the lower half of the screen. I would like to see the questionaire ask more questions, such as up to five of the users favorite web pages, their home page, their address, and have it be easily customized to ask whatever questions I want. And I'd like the results to be store in a tab text file. And I'd to see some of these results woven into the above mentioned profile and web page screen. I'd like an easily customized 'new' program on the telnet side and something to parallel the above. And perhaps incoporate the menus that I've started to build on the telnet side of things."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (01:11)", "body": "It would be \"way cool\" to be able to get a list of who was logged in at any given time and to be able to initiate a chat session with them. Much like you do with the 'w' and the 'talk' commands in the shell."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (10:02)", "body": "I saw a pretty good webchat today at: http://www.centrum.is/cgi-bin/vefspjallid This might be userful on this site. It may be something that bibbi with Centrum put up (TransSoft Mail Control). yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 4, "subject": "Hints and Tips", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 40, "subject": "Participation file trashing", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "jor@m-net.arbornet.org", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (05:47)", "body": "set autosave"}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Dec 19, 1996 (06:50)", "body": "What is arbornet?"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Dec 21, 1996 (01:12)", "body": "Howdy John O'Reilly! yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 41, "subject": "Hello", "response_count": 5, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Dec 20, 1996 (22:16)", "body": "Sure, what do you need?"}, {"response": 2, "author": "barbfres@fsn-ppp12.lightspeed.net", "date": "Thu, Jan  2, 1997 (20:40)", "body": ""}, {"response": 3, "author": "barbfres@fsn-ppp12.lightspeed.net", "date": "Thu, Jan  2, 1997 (20:41)", "body": "im not sure how this works. i don't seem to be able to get any place"}, {"response": 4, "author": "barbfres@fsn-ppp12.lightspeed.net", "date": "Thu, Jan  2, 1997 (20:42)", "body": ""}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Jan  2, 1997 (23:53)", "body": "Where do you need to get to, Barbara? yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 42, "subject": "First item", "response_count": 13, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "yapp@shakti.cc.trincoll.edu", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (07:40)", "body": "this is from the unix prompt. Not very exciting."}, {"response": 2, "author": "bkenniso@shakti", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (16:22)", "body": "I've look a little more and I see the answer on the opening screen. Sorry for the \"jabber\""}, {"response": 3, "author": "bkenniso@shakti", "date": "Wed, Jan 15, 1997 (16:23)", "body": "Looks interesting. Will we see all existing conferences when we log on? Is is possible to to some kind of \"chat\"?"}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jan 18, 1997 (17:50)", "body": "What kind of conferencing system are you setting up Brian?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "rmlee@shakti", "date": "Fri, Jan 31, 1997 (08:33)", "body": "This looks interesting."}, {"response": 6, "author": "math2@shakti", "date": "Mon, Feb  3, 1997 (13:52)", "body": "test test test test test"}, {"response": 7, "author": "yapp@shakti.cc.trincoll.edu", "date": "Mon, Feb  3, 1997 (17:14)", "body": "fascinating. Why do you even bother to explain to us?"}, {"response": 8, "author": "yapp@shakti.cc.trincoll.edu", "date": "Mon, Feb  3, 1997 (17:16)", "body": "more text bla blah blah blah"}, {"response": 9, "author": "kmilner@shakti", "date": "Mon, Feb 10, 1997 (16:29)", "body": "WOW, I feel so honored to have the privilege of access to this new toy! It's been a while since I used PacerForum, so I don't have a lot to so about how this compares. But with a name like Yapp, it's gotta be cool! :)"}, {"response": 10, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Mon, Feb 10, 1997 (21:21)", "body": "Glad you're checking in Karen. How'd you hear about this? What are your interests?"}, {"response": 11, "author": "lchilds@accel.net", "date": "Thu, Feb 13, 1997 (00:31)", "body": "Hi, just wondering what do the freeze, forget and remember buttons do? Also, say I'm in a conference and I want to start a new topic...I tried the obvious -- hitting the New Topic button but I just got a Server Error page."}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Feb 13, 1997 (23:46)", "body": "freeze - allows no new responses in a topic forget - takes it off your topic list, you won't see it anymore"}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Feb 14, 1997 (00:07)", "body": "Server errors usually clear up. If it's really persistent, let your system administrator know about it. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 43, "subject": "entering a new topic", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 44, "subject": "Austen conference at Spring", "response_count": 11, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Mon, Jan 27, 1997 (19:49)", "body": "It will be interesting to see how this is done."}, {"response": 2, "author": "churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (11:26)", "body": "A lot of the e-mail addresses for web users at our site are bogus, because the default choice that's presented to them is the concatenation of: The user name they're choosing to be known as here + \"@\" + the result of running reverse DNS lookup on the IP address they're coming in from There probably isn't any better way to construct such a default, but unfortunately an e-mail address constructed according to this procedure will be bogus in many cases, and a lot of people don't bother to edit the default... So the result is that there's a lot of bogus pseudo-addresses of the general type \" MickJagger@dial-in-ppp42-9.custmax.ms.uu.net \", or whatever..."}, {"response": 3, "author": "churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (11:39)", "body": "A lot of the e-mail addresses for web users at our site are bogus, because the default choice that's presented to them is the concatenation of: The user name they're choosing to be known as here + \"@\" + the result of running reverse DNS lookup on the IP address they're coming in from There probably isn't any better way to construct such a default, but unfortunately an e-mail address constructed according to this procedure will be bogus in many cases, and a lot of people don't bother to edit the default... So the result is that there's a lot of bogus pseudo-addresses of the general type \" MickJagger@dial-in-ppp42-9.custmax.ms.uu.net \", or whatever..."}, {"response": 4, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (19:20)", "body": "This is the purpose of the \"Participants\" button which should be at the top of the page of the list of topics in the conference. By default, this shows the login, last time on, and full name (but not email address) of the participant. A host can change this by putting a command in the conference rc file which redefines the \"partmsg\" variable to look like anything you want. For example, def partmsg '%10v %o %20u %{email}' will show the login, last time on, full name, and email address. If you just want a list of email addresses of conference members yourself, you could generate this in Unix and save it to a file from in Yapp with: def partmsg '%{email}' participants > filename -Dave"}, {"response": 5, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (22:21)", "body": "Wait a second. Did I miss something? Or was Henry talking about the registration process and Dave talking about ways to capture stuff already entered?"}, {"response": 6, "author": "thalerd@eecs.umich.edu", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (23:38)", "body": "Mine was in response to Arnessa's original question."}, {"response": 7, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (23:53)", "body": "] Mine was in response to Arnessa's original question. __ Aha! Dave! The case for threading..."}, {"response": 8, "author": "churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (13:19)", "body": "We have two problems; here's the first: We want to configure a conference so that everybody can read it (even those who have not logged in), but only fairwitnesses and/or people in the \"ulist\" file can post to the conference (it doesn't really matter which of these two classes is privileged). So far we\"ve tried the following ACL files: _________________________________________ r +all w +all +registered +f:ulist -f:observers c +all +registered +f:ulist -f:observers _________________________________________ r +all w -all -registered +f:ulist -f:observers c -all -registered +f:ulist -f:observers _________________________________________ And the following CONFIG files: _________________________________________ ! .austenarchive.cf 20 amy jwinsor mhc mrobens terry readonly ulist _________________________________________ ! .austenarchive.cf 0 amy jwinsor mhc mrobens terry 0 _________________________________________ ! .austenarchive.cf 0 amy jwinsor mhc mrobens terry 16 _________________________________________ Any hints?"}, {"response": 9, "author": "churchyh@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (13:48)", "body": "Our second problem (less urgent) is that we would like to change the buttons in individual conferences, if we could. The /usr/bbs/www/rc.yapp-bin file has definitions such as (changing angle brackets to square brackets): define help '[a href=\" http://www.spring.com/help/intro.html\"][img src=\"%{gifs}he lp.gif\" alt=\"Help\" border=0][/a]' Where %{gifs} resolves to /yapp-icons/ If we try to redefine the variable gifs in the rc file of an individual conference (by means of a line such as the following), it doesn't seem to have any effect: define gifs \"/yapp-icons/austen/\""}, {"response": 10, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (20:58)", "body": "I suggest you try the following combination to make a conference readable by the world, and writable to only those who are in the user list or the fairwitness list (execpt those explicitly mentioned in the observers file), and to make topics createable by fairwitnesses (except those listed in the observes file) _________________________________________ r +all w +f:ulist +fwlist -f:observers c +fwlist -f:observers _________________________________________ It really shouldn't matter your conference security type when using an acl file. The only things that will make any difference, are if the security is a MAILLIST or a REGISTERED MAILLIST. All other conference types are overridden by the acl file. ****** IMPORTANT NOTE ********* Even if you do make this change, the \"Enter a topic\" and \"Respond to topic\" buttons and forms will still appear. In version 3.0.14 the capability has been added to make the \"Enter a topic\" and \"Respond to topic\" forms and buttons unaccessable if the user really cannot Enter a topic, etc. Previously the templates only checked to see if the user was an \"observer\" before displaying the buttons. Checking for \"observer\" is no longer a sufficient test. In version 3.0.14 you can check if the person can read topics by testing the \"canracl\" variable, can respond to topics by testing the \"canwacl\" variable, or can create topics by testing the \"cancacl\" variable. Without adding these explicit tests so that the forms no longer appear, the forms will be accessable but the information sumitted will not be posted to the conference."}, {"response": 11, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (21:15)", "body": "the capability has been added to make the \"Enter a topic\" and \"Respond to topic\" forms and buttons unaccessable if the user really cannot Enter a topic, etc. ___ Good improvement. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 45, "subject": "our most vital need", "response_count": 2, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jan 28, 1997 (19:15)", "body": "Yep, this is on the TODO list."}, {"response": 2, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Jan 29, 1997 (22:04)", "body": "FYI, email verification is now implemented and is being tested (seems to work fine so far). The new version will initially generate a random password and email it to the address specified. The password can be changed from the user preferences page just like before. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 46, "subject": "Test topic in Yapp", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 47, "subject": "second yapp topic", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 48, "subject": "Yapp Fresh Start", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 49, "subject": "Release Information", "response_count": 0, "posts": []}, {"num": 5, "subject": "", "response_count": 21, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Jul 25, 1996 (09:46)", "body": ""}, {"response": 2, "author": "kkreps@bga.com", "date": "Tue, Jul 30, 1996 (11:19)", "body": "Hi, Karen Kreps here, poking around and checking out this vast enterprise. Seems like you're working on the word wrap, but it's still problematic. If I keep typing, as I am doing now, the words scrooll off the screen and I can'tsee what I'm typing (that's why you're getting typoes). When I add a carriage return --like there. It throws in a line once I submit response. But you probably already know that."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (09:08)", "body": ""}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (09:25)", "body": "Dave has already told us how to do this: Paul Terry Walhus writes: > Also, how do we institute word wrap in this text entry box on the web? Put WRAP=SOFT as an attribute to the TEXTAREA tag in the enter_get and the read_footer templates. And I plan to put this into effect. Karen, have you met Dave Thaler yet?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (10:03)", "body": "/usr/bbs/www/templates has all the files that we can modify: www# ls README enter_get public_browse browse enter_invalid public_find browse.bak enter_ok public_main browse_ok error public_read_footer cfadd find public_read_header cfconfig find_ok read_footer cfcreate forget read_header cfcreate_ok freeze remember cfonce kill respond_get chalk.jpg list respond_invalid change_get main respond_ok change_invalid main.bak retire change_ok main_timeout sysconfig changelist_get newuser_get sysconfig.orig changelist_ok newuser_get2 sysconfig_ok chfn_get newuser_ok sysop chfn_ok participants thaw conf_timeout passwd_get unretire createlist passwd_ok userinfo cws preserve www# pwd /usr/bbs/www/templates"}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (10:18)", "body": "%{header} Submit this ${item} from: %D Subject: %{conffooter} Is this how it should look?"}, {"response": 7, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (10:24)", "body": "Yes."}, {"response": 8, "author": "kkreps@bga.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (12:15)", "body": "Hi Dave, Hi Paul, It's Karen again. I want to report that after posting my last message about the two problems that need attention, I could not find where it had gone. I wound up in a new string, I think."}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (18:18)", "body": "What were you doing when you ended up in the new place?"}, {"response": 10, "author": "kkreps@bga.com", "date": "Thu, Aug  1, 1996 (23:08)", "body": "I didn't end up in a new place, my message did. I'm not sure where it went."}, {"response": 11, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Aug  3, 1996 (21:37)", "body": ""}, {"response": 12, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Aug  6, 1996 (07:06)", "body": ""}, {"response": 13, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Sep 24, 1996 (17:34)", "body": "Trying to run webuser I get This program must be installed setuid root"}, {"response": 14, "author": "purohit@m-net.arbornet.org", "date": "Tue, Nov 26, 1996 (09:43)", "body": ""}, {"response": 15, "author": "yapp@www.videogamespot.com", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (12:06)", "body": "test"}, {"response": 16, "author": "yapp@www.videogamespot.com", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (12:08)", "body": "sdf"}, {"response": 17, "author": "yapp@www.videogamespot.com", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (12:09)", "body": "sdf"}, {"response": 18, "author": "yapp@www.videogamespot.com", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (12:16)", "body": "test"}, {"response": 19, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Dec  1, 1996 (12:31)", "body": "Hi Ramesh welcome to yapp. We hear you!"}, {"response": 20, "author": "amiet@m-net.arbornet.org", "date": "Sat, Dec  7, 1996 (03:16)", "body": "heloo hellllllllooooooooooo"}, {"response": 21, "author": "mrobens@www.spring.com", "date": "Sun, Jan 12, 1997 (11:31)", "body": "yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 50, "subject": "License Bug in versions 3.0.13, 3.0.14, 3.0.15", "response_count": 3, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Mar  1, 1997 (14:02)", "body": "Does this apply to www.spring.com with our BSDI operating system? I believe we're running 3.0.10."}, {"response": 2, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Mar  4, 1997 (23:42)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > > Does this apply to www.spring.com with our BSDI operating system? > I believe we're running 3.0.10. > I don't think the problem will affect your system if you are running version 3.0.10. However, if you are experiencing problems with your license I would upgrade (and get a new license) and then see if you continue to have problems."}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Mar  5, 1997 (23:53)", "body": "Thanks Dave for responding 5 minutes after I emailed tonight and getting yapp running 5 minutes later. That's incredibly good support! yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 51, "subject": "bash$ bbs", "response_count": 43, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:46)", "body": ""}, {"response": 2, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:46)", "body": ""}, {"response": 3, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:46)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 4, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:46)", "body": ""}, {"response": 5, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:46)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 6, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:47)", "body": ""}, {"response": 7, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:47)", "body": ""}, {"response": 8, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:47)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 9, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:47)", "body": ""}, {"response": 10, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:47)", "body": ""}, {"response": 11, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:47)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 12, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:47)", "body": ""}, {"response": 13, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:48)", "body": ""}, {"response": 14, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:48)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 15, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:48)", "body": ""}, {"response": 16, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:48)", "body": ""}, {"response": 17, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:48)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 18, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:48)", "body": ""}, {"response": 19, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:48)", "body": ""}, {"response": 20, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:49)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 21, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:49)", "body": ""}, {"response": 22, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:49)", "body": ""}, {"response": 23, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:49)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 24, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:49)", "body": ""}, {"response": 25, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:49)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 26, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:49)", "body": ""}, {"response": 27, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:50)", "body": ""}, {"response": 28, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:50)", "body": ""}, {"response": 29, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:50)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 30, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:50)", "body": ""}, {"response": 31, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:50)", "body": ""}, {"response": 32, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:50)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 33, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:51)", "body": ""}, {"response": 34, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:52)", "body": "Well, that was weird. The system went into a loop and gave me an error about 'Response -1 too small to read' Matisse, what version level are you running here?"}, {"response": 35, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:52)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 36, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:53)", "body": ""}, {"response": 37, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:53)", "body": ""}, {"response": 38, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:53)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 39, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:53)", "body": ""}, {"response": 40, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:53)", "body": ""}, {"response": 41, "author": "dhawk@ohio.river.org", "date": "Fri, Mar  7, 1997 (08:53)", "body": "# Go ahead and enter the response set stay if (allowpseudos=\"true\") pseudo %{psname}"}, {"response": 42, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Mar  8, 1997 (10:45)", "body": ""}, {"response": 43, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Tue, Mar 11, 1997 (20:46)", "body": "Well I say go ahead and allow pseudos already! :-) We are running 3.0.12 here at ILC. We'll be upgrading to 3.0.16 soon. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 6, "subject": "Read-only", "response_count": 7, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Jul 12, 1996 (17:06)", "body": ""}, {"response": 2, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Tue, Jul 16, 1996 (13:02)", "body": "We'd like the feature that Kaley mentions also! In addition to the ability to go back and edit titles, responses and other items at the host level."}, {"response": 3, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Tue, Jul 16, 1996 (19:10)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > We'd like the feature that Kaley mentions also! In addition to the > ability to go back and edit titles, responses and other items at the host > level. It will be in the next release."}, {"response": 4, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Fri, Jul 19, 1996 (01:51)", "body": "That's good news. Any idea of a tentative release date on the next release? What version will it be?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Fri, Jul 19, 1996 (09:03)", "body": "Paul Terry Walhus writes: > That's good news. Any idea of a tentative release date on the next > release? What version will it be? Most likely, early August. Not sure whether it'll be 3.0.10 or 3.1. The next release also has a more powerful (and more intuitive) access control specification system for conferences."}, {"response": 6, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Jul 20, 1996 (06:58)", "body": "Did you know WELL Engaged is planning a major new release?"}, {"response": 7, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (10:59)", "body": "Will we automatically get this update in early August? Hey, that's not too far away. I'm still admiring the wordwrap feature. yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 7, "subject": "Our first topic", "response_count": 9, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "matisse@workshop.matisse.net", "date": "Sat, Jul 20, 1996 (17:24)", "body": "Hello world."}, {"response": 2, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sat, Jul 20, 1996 (22:27)", "body": "Hello Matisse. -World"}, {"response": 3, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Mon, Jul 22, 1996 (09:23)", "body": "Good morning Matisse from this part of the world."}, {"response": 4, "author": "cfadm@www.spring.com", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (10:59)", "body": "Matisse, what yapp systems have you/are you setting up?"}, {"response": 5, "author": "black@ohio.river.org", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (20:02)", "body": "i am not sure where to ask this question. i am assuming that telnet acsess to yapp remains posible with the option of using the web interface here as well as using unix commands and the conferencing enviornment of older versions of yapp. is this the case? and if so, what problems have people run into on either end (web or otherwise)..."}, {"response": 6, "author": "thaler@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Wed, Jul 31, 1996 (20:41)", "body": "nathan david black writes: > i am assuming that telnet acsess to yapp remains posible with the option of > using the web interface here as well as using unix commands and the > conferencing enviornment of older versions of yapp. is this the case? Right. You can log in either way."}, {"response": 7, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Aug  1, 1996 (16:57)", "body": "We've got the passwords synchronizing on both, we asked Dave to implement this feature and he's kindly obliged. So far, no problems operating in either the telnet or the web area. I often have both open at the same time and use the lightning response time of telnet to move around quickly and the ease of viewing and scrolling of the web for browsing through single topics. They both have their advantages. Am I even close to answering your question? I'll be glad to answer specifics if you have any."}, {"response": 8, "author": "black@ohio.river.org", "date": "Sat, Sep  7, 1996 (03:26)", "body": "cool, ok, when it comes to the community feel of things, i tend to prefer telnet... i have used several web based systems... my primary concern is not interupting the basics of what yapp offers in a telnet sesion... terry... when you crossed over to the web interface... how long did the system upgrade take(how long was the system down)... have you seen any effects in the telnet sesions since the web addition was implimented?"}, {"response": 9, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Sat, Sep  7, 1996 (07:34)", "body": "You're welcome to a shell account for telnet access if you'd like one. We just gotten started on this system so most of our traffic is flowing from the web to telnet (in the case of persons like you who prefer the telnet access). yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 8, "subject": ":r %{postfile}", "response_count": 15, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "shankar@ren.nic.in", "date": "Thu, Aug  8, 1996 (04:13)", "body": ""}, {"response": 2, "author": "denmark@194.192.25.57", "date": "Fri, Aug  9, 1996 (06:44)", "body": ""}, {"response": 3, "author": "vman111@ilock1.ccabc.com", "date": "Fri, Aug  9, 1996 (10:27)", "body": ""}, {"response": 4, "author": "vman111@ilock1.ccabc.com", "date": "Fri, Aug  9, 1996 (10:27)", "body": ""}, {"response": 5, "author": "terry@www.spring.com", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (08:36)", "body": ""}, {"response": 6, "author": "matisse@matisse.net", "date": "Thu, Sep  5, 1996 (20:02)", "body": ""}, {"response": 7, "author": "asdf@stargate.compuware.com", "date": "Fri, Sep 27, 1996 (16:09)", "body": "test"}, {"response": 8, "author": "me@bedrock.com", "date": "Wed, Oct  2, 1996 (14:29)", "body": "testing"}, {"response": 9, "author": "piniefleur@jess.bath.ac.uk", "date": "Sat, Oct  5, 1996 (12:36)", "body": ""}, {"response": 10, "author": "tatiner@ip58.ifu.net", "date": "Fri, Oct 25, 1996 (12:35)", "body": ""}, {"response": 11, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (00:11)", "body": ""}, {"response": 12, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (00:13)", "body": ""}, {"response": 13, "author": "amyloo@bluemarble.net", "date": "Sat, Nov 23, 1996 (09:09)", "body": ""}, {"response": 14, "author": "dizon@webtv.net", "date": "Sun, Jan  5, 1997 (08:32)", "body": ""}, {"response": 15, "author": "lchilds@accel.net", "date": "Thu, Feb 13, 1997 (00:33)", "body": "yapp conference Main Menu"}]}, {"num": 9, "subject": "Our first item, (which we call a \"topic\")", "response_count": 1, "posts": [{"response": 1, "author": "kaylene@armidale.ann-arbor.mi.us", "date": "Sun, Aug  4, 1996 (16:16)", "body": "Are you able to get responses yet matisse? yapp conference Main Menu"}]}]}