Chocolate

boy am i a dope, after entering this topic, found that terry was way ahead of me. but hey, can't have too many chocolate sites!

hmmmm....

you a chocoholic?

no...

then watcha doin' here? ;)

hey, i'm just looking for the produce aisle...

*giggle* hey, there's a place reserved for the tomato (!) is that more up your aisle?

depends... variety, ripeness, etc...

how ripe do you like 'em?

depends... variety, ripeness, etc...

you meant to say all that again, right?

that point really required accentuation...

then what variety equals what ripeness?

mmmm...always been partial to early girls, i suppose...

oh, why's that?

sheesh... whaddaya think? (there always just a little firmer)

and what of the flavor?

actually, succulence takes precedence over flavor... (each possesses a distinctive flavor, anyway)

of course....

tis late, you know. and as i would love to continue this discussion, must be on my way. shall we meet again later?

So much for chocolate...

I just heard chocolate is not good for folks with allergies (not me).

well sure... if you're allergic to it!

besides allergies, folks who suffer from migraines need to be careful too. And that's so sad, chocolate is just plain yummy!

That would be why I keep my black and green pills on hand... just in case!

you poor thing. does chocolate trigger your migraines?

stress usually triggers my migranes but I find I eat more chocolate when I'm stressed... se how the two go together. Not so bad anymore though. I had a migraine last October but before that I had gone 16 months without one! Colorado air, I think!

I get stress headaches too. usually after something stresses me.

Today it was the six inches of snow that buried my car. Digging out my vehicle is NOT my favorite morning activity. There are so many other things to do in the wee hours!

heard that!

you know what? i just realized what i said a few lines up. DUH! what i meant was that i don't experience those headaches until a few hours after the stress has been resolved. heard that migraines are a result of relaxation of the blood vessels in the head.

Oh, I thought it was someone running an ice pick through your eyballs and curving up toward your head. And with one of those rotart attachments... Either way... it's bad mojo!

Gross.

Fairly accurate, though.

And back to chocolate...

Yes, let all them homemade Christmas goodies start rolling in...

My students piled cookie upon picture upon baked good on my desk. *smile* Made me feel appreciated.

Love all those goodies, everytime I turned around at work there was a new cookie platter at someone's desk. Yummy! Had a big ol' bag of those hershey's nuggets at my desk and they didn't last five minutes (no I didn't eat 'em all). Glad no one brought in a fruit cake (yuck), but did get a couple of rum cakes and this cheesecake that was out of this world good!

I need some chocolate tonight........ (feel better now, just had to let that out)

I LIKE fruitcake!

How about fruitcakes?

gotta luv 'em fruitcakes!! (that's a rare thing, Stacey, more power to ya!)

I made the mistake of saying that aloud in school yesterday and got everyone's 4 1/2 y.o. fruitcake tin from "aunt ida" with the 4 1/2 y.o fruitcake. Perhaps I should amend the statement to good fruitcake? With plenty o' wine?

speaking of which, somebody pour me a stiff one

Um, I've got a stiff one...

LOL!!!

Glad I can still amuse you...*wink* How about them skiing deaths emphasizing the fact neither of us has skiied...or ever plan too.

Amazing that two prominent politicians, one on the right, the other on the left, both ran into trees skiiing in the same week. And that Sonny had talked about buying a helmet the same day.

ironic, huh? wer, where's that drink?

Drink?!?!? I thought you meant... *deep blush*

do need that drink, can you fix me up? (I know what you thought I meant and yes, you should blush *grin*)

Sure, what's your virtual poison? (haven't changed in reality, have you?)

no. just been a fool (and i think you know what i mean). and now am getting ready to be told just what a fool i've been. so make it a strong one, k

Well, you can't have my jester's outfit, as much as I wish it wasn't my "job"... Should I come in and interupt?

know, do just fine without a costume, thanks. nothing to interupt, really. just a gal being made a fool....

that is "no"

I've got some extra Lindt truffles, snack on those while I get that drink ready...

think i just need to go to bed.......

could be, you wanna think about me tonight? *wink*

LOL

saved by a cheesy box of Whitman's this week!

Oooh, the possibilites...

They were creams!

OK, I need some chocolate tonight and all the stores are closed.

Even the 7-11??

no 24 hour super markets?

What city are you in wolf?

well, yeah, got all that, just was in my pj's at the time and didn't want to scare anybody!

Man, I go to Safeway in my Jammies and glasses at all hours of the night. When you look that scary, people assume you're sick and they're real nice!

LOL!!

Glasses?

yes, when my contacts aren't in...

I knew that, sorry but the body was awake while the memory was still sleepin'...

that's not necessarily a bad state WER (moves a groggy arm over your chest) *yawn* Oops! Sorry about the incidental contact... *smile*

Do whatever ya want, just don't wake me up. I don't want this dream to end...

Hey, folks, I was thinking about killing the two chocolate topics and reposting the pertinent ones to a new chocolate topic, with maybe a webring in the topic header. Whatchya'll think?

just don't take the chocolate away, a webring for chocolate??? cool

I bought everything on the list for chocolate fondu, today! And then some more stuff - mainly fruit. Hopefully it won't just be fore eating from bowls.......if you know what I mean :)

Oh, baby! Do it!

Well, don't keep us in suspense!

Hehehe...dinner went perfectly. Unfortunately because e'd eaten so much the left-over chocolate fondu was distributed amongst house-mates, but we made up for it on Monday morning :-)

WAY TO GO!

In my estimation, there is no such thing as too much chocolate!

"Irresistible" Finding a bottle on the beach, Jake uncorks it and releases a genie. "Ah, now you get three wishes," says the genie. "Great!" Jake replies. "First, I want one billion dollars." Poof! There's a flash, and a paper with Swiss bank account numbers appears in Jake's hand. "Next, I want a nice ocean-side house in Hawaii." Poof! Another flash, and he is holding the deeds to an ocean side property in Hawaii. "Finally," Jake says, "I want to be irresistible to women." Poof! There's another blinding flash, ...and Jake turns into a box of chocolates.

Suddenly Food has a beautiful new look. Thanks to our RG? It is most lovely and so easy to read...I am now not satisfied with Geo. This is too good. Congratulations on your most excellent taste.

I comply with this praise!

Chocolate is to most women what beer is to most men. Life is NOT like a box of chocolates, but the White House is. Nice and pretty on the outside and full of nuts on the inside.

That is good, John

Actually, I love both beer and chocolate...but not together.

I thought I was just about to find out why they chocolate cover pretzels...!

So people who prefer chocolate to beer will eat pretzels, too.

...sheesh! Of course!...no excuses, Sir! (The things I learn from the Big Boys are truly fascinating...)*grin*

LOVE this background!

'Tis gorgeous!!! It looks so appetizing too. �shamelessly licking the screen�

I wanna new background for Geo...sheedsh...why does food have to get all of the goodies...whine...whinge...nah! Not my style!!! It is fabulous and about time it was a lovely as it can be. Any way to get those tongue smears off my monitor?

Get the dog to lick 'em off!

Ree, you're full of good ideas tonight (this morning or whenever it was posted) *lol* then what do I use to get the doggie slobber off?

Why, your hand of course.

But I have chocolate smears on my fingers...

OH! Kinky! Get someone to lick it off.

...yup!...thought you'd appreciate that! Actually, my monitor is beginning to make everything look like a Van Gogh painting. All of those tongue swirls...

Say thank you!

Mahalo Nui Loa, Dear *grin*

My new loo wears a halo too...

ma HAH low NOO ee LOW ah Thank you very much *smile* (I like yours better!)

Cool language! Must sound nice when spoken.

It is almost musical when spoken, and when chanted, it will raise "chicken skin" all over you. There are loads and loads of vowels in it (they got all of the ones the Welsh spurned), so it flows out of the mouth in a most pleasing manner. ...almost has a built-in rhythm.

Wow. I'll have to see the place someday. Do you speak the language fluently?

http://www.sciencenews.org/20000506/food.asp Week of May 6, 2000; Vol. 157, No. 19 Chocolate therapies (with recipe for Janet's Chocolate Medicinal Mousse Pie) By Janet Raloff Chocolate has made news over the past few months for the apparently heart-healthy properties of some of its components�antioxidants known as flavonoids (see Chocolate Hearts.) These findings, together with data reported several years ago on the treats' ability to turn on opiate receptors in the brain (SN: 10/12/96, p. 235), threaten to transform the image of chocolate from dietary vice to herbal medicine. To meso-American anthropologists, however, the idea that chocolate can be health-promoting is old hat�very old hat. Revered by cultures throughout the Americas for some 3000 years, chocolate has been in cultivation since at least the time of Christ. Referred to for much of that time as a "food of the gods," this botanical product has occasionally, in centuries past, even stood in for currency�its value on par with gold's. For much of this illustrious past, chocolate has also been a venerated staple of the herbal pharmacopoeia, observes Louis E. Grivetti of the University of California, Davis. At the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting last month in Washington D.C., Grivetti shared findings from his new historical investigation of chocolate's medicinal history. His team turned up medical texts describing chocolate therapies dating back to 1522. Though written by Europeans, they described remedies brought back by explorers who had visited the New World. So compelling were their reports that soon Europe was importing huge quantities of cocoa beans to serve a growing market for therapeutic chocolate. The earliest texts suggested that cocoa was merely a vehicle for helping make less palatable medicines go down. Soon, however, it was regarded as an active ingredient in cures being offered for a broad range of ails. Healers pounded cocoa beans into a paste. Diluted into a drink, they gave it to people suffering from fevers, liver disease, and kidney disorders. Physicians prescribed ground beans, mixed with resin, to cure dysentary. A cocoa drink was reputed to foster needed weight gain�especially if augmented with ground maize. Hot chocolate was even prescribed as a laxative and aid to digestion. By the early 1600s, European researchers were reporting indications that chocolate may affect moods. Grivetti found a 1631 treatise by the Spanish physician/surgeon Antoino Comenero de Ledesma, for instance, that said chocolate makes people amiable, and "incited consumers to . . . lovemaking." Indeed, Grivetti says, because chocolate was perceived as an intoxicant, it was deemed unsuitable for women or children�at least until the 14th century. By Ledesma's time, however, healers realized that chocolate was not for men only. A love potion, drinking chocolate helped women conceive, he reported. If hot cocoa was drunk during pregnancy, it helped smooth labor and delivery. Three decades later, Henry Stubb published a monograph that claimed a drink made by mixing chocolate and vanilla would strengthen the brain and womb. Mixed with Jamaican pepper, chocolate was supposed to stimulate menstrual flow. Combined with resin, it was reputed to boost breast-milk production. Cocoa-bean oils even helped heal a nursing mother's cracked nipples. Few conditions aren't improved by chocolate, according to the texts that Grivetti's team of scholars uncovered and translated. The botanical product was used to treat tuberculosis, toothaches, and ulcers. It was alleged to cure itches, repel tumors, and foster sleep. By the 1680s, reports emerged that chocolate could restore energy after a day of hard labor, alleviate lung inflammation, or strengthen the heart. By the 1800s, cocoa was being mixed with ground amber dust to relieve hangovers. Combined with other ingredients, it became the basis of treatments for syphilis, hemmorhoids, and intestinal parasites. In traditional healing recipes, chocolate often included little or no sweetening. Moreover, the Native American view of medicine in which chocolate therapies evolved was somewhat different from that practiced in Europe. Rather than illness being caused by disease, Native Americans viewed health as the state of being in balance with the environment. Losing that balance�perhaps through a perturbed diet�could create sickness. Chocolate was viewed as one means for restoring lost balance. European adventurers often sampled the native cocoa-based drinks with scorn, according to Historicus in his late-19th century book, Cocoa: All About It. These beverages, frequently laced with cinnamon, chili peppers, oregano, or cloves, struck the European palate as vile. Travelers nonetheless brought home recipes for the strange drinks, together with tales of their reputed therapeutic prowess. Sugar crept into the recipes, and almost at once, Europeans developed a huge appetite for chocolate. Today, some of the most prized chocolates emerge from European candy factories. In the United States, per capita chocolate consumption already exceeds 12 pounds per year. Europeans tend to eat even more. Though physicians no longer prescribe chocolate as aids to digestion, lung ailments, or ulcers, research suggests that self-medicating ourselves with at least some of these products�especially those made from dark chocolate�may achieve real benefits, especially in maintaining cardiovascular health. While this should not be interpreted as reason to overindulge in these fat-rich confections, Norman K. Hollenberg of the Harvard Medical School in Boston believes the growing body of nutritional studies of chocolate are strong enough to argue, "People should not feel guilty about eating it." Janet's Chocolate Medicinal Mousse Pie Serves 8 to 12 This recipe, a household favorite, wows guests who�even after finishing a sinfully rich slice of pie�never suspect that the main ingredient is tofu. In the past, I've always billed the dessert as heart-healthy, based on studies suggesting that soy products can offer cardiovascular and anti-cancer benefits. In fact, I adapted this recipe from a fattier and more heavily sweetened version that was served 6 years ago to me and other attendees of the First International Symposium on the Role of Soy in Preventing and Treating Chronic Disease. Despite the pie's soy base, however, I often felt a twinge of guilt over the heavy dose of chocolate present in each slice. With the newly emerging data on dark chocolate's flavonoids, I now feel less self-conscious about serving this popular dessert. I can point out that its bounty of chocolate may actually contribute to the pie's offering of a cardiovascular double whammy. And the stearic acid in chocolate, although a saturated fat, is the type that doesn't appear to raise serum cholesterol. Want a triple whammy? Serve with a cup of strong, flavonoid-rich darjeeling tea. The especially good news: This pie is so rich that it's easy to be satisfied with a very small slice. 2 boxes of low-fat Mori-Nu silken tofu (12.3-ounces each, any firmness) 1 10-ounce package of semi-sweet chocolate chips 1/3 tsp. sugar 1/3 tsp. water chocolate-cookie no-bake pie shell raspberries or strawberries (garnish) Melt the chocolate in the top of a double boiler until the chips retain their shape but are soft as warm butter. Remove from heat and let stand a couple minutes. Puree the tofu in a food processor�about 2 minutes�frequently scraping down the sides of the mixing bowl to ensure that all of the tofu is converted from a soft brick into a warm-pudding consistency. Add the water to the sugar, then mix both into the tofu. Add the softened chocolate and stir until thoroughly mixed. Pour into a chocolate-cookie pie shell and swirl the top to make soft peaks, like frosting a cake. Garnish with berries. Then chill to set. Ready in 1 hour. References: Dillinger, T.L., . . . L.E. Grivetti. 2000, Food of the Gods�Cure for Humanity? A Cultural History of the Medicinal and Ritual Use of Chocolate. A paper delivered at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual meeting, Feb. 19. Historicus. 1896. Cocoa: All About It. Sampson Low, Marston, & Co., London. Long, E. 1950. Chocolate: From Mayan to Modern. Aladdin Books: New York. Young, A.M., 1994. The Chocolate Tree, Smithsonian Institution Press: Washington, D.C. Further Readings: Raloff, J. 1996. Prescription-strength chocolate. Science News Online (Oct. 12). _____. 1996. Chocolate: As hearty as red wine... Science News 150(October 12):235. _____.1996. ...but we eat it for pleasure. Science News 150(October 12):235. _____. 1995. Coming: Drug therapy for chocoholics? Science News 147(June 17):374. Young, G. 1984. Chocolate: Food of the Gods. Smithsonian 166(November):664. Sources: Louis E. Grivetti Department of Nutrition University of California 1 Peter J. Shields Avenue Davis, CA 95616 E-mail: legrivetti@ucdavis.edu Susan Smith Chocolate Manufacturers Association 7900 W. Park Drive, Suite A320 McLean, VA 22102-4203 E-mail: ssmith@candyusa.org WEB: http://www.candyusa.org Allen M. Young, Vice President Collections, Research and Public Programs Milwaukee Public Museum 800 W. Wells Street Milwaukee, WI 53233-1478 E-mail: young@mpm.edu Copyright � 2000 Science Service. All rights reserved. 1719 N St., NW, Washington, DC 20036 | 202-785-2255 | scinews@sciserv.org

Marcia, that recipe looks awesome!! I'm printing it out now.

Let us know how it turns out. I thought of you as soon as I saw it!

A Chocolate Flutter - from the Lairds's Table Ingredients: -8 tablespoons breadcrumbs -4 tablespoons drinking chocolate -4 tablespoons Demerara sugar - or less -150ml single cream -150ml double cream -Grated rind of 1 orange -dash of orange curacao Method: Mix all dry ingredients together. Beat cream with orange rind and spoon into layers starting with cream. Leave some cream and orange mixture for topping. Serve with a thin slice of orange twist on top and a "dash" of orange curacao. Put in fridge overnight.

OK, I made the tofu-chocolate pie recipe and it was good; however, the texture was somewhat crumbly (resembles cottage cheese) rather than silky, and after one bite, Juliette said, "this is tofu" and refused to finish it. So I had to eat most of it (it was gone by bedtime).

Oh don't!!!! I'm on a chocolate fast right now, and I'm getting withdrawal symptoms!

LOL Autumn, I think you hit on a way to look like the Good Mother while getting to eat the final product all by yourself! Love it! Wonder if blurring it in a high-speed food processor might smoothe out the lumps?! Or using a softer form of tofu...

Can I have some chocolate perfume please to take away the withdrawal pangs????

Shall I send you some empty wrappers? Nibble on some bitter chocolate - that should do it!

Nope I like that too much! *rumble* *rumble*

.....uh oh! I wondered what that peculiar sound was outside. Thought it an approaching thunderstorm....Poor Maggie! *Hugs*

Would you believe daughter 1 bought a 'chocolate scented candle' !!!!!! *sniff* *ahhhhh*

When I am deprived of stuff I really love, I don't want to be anywhere near the stuff. Don't want to smell it or be reminded in any way... Interesting in what works, huh?!

(I hate the smell of the candle, but don't tell her will you!!!!) Yup abstinence is the only way for me too - I once went on a three day water only fast, and the realy purgatry was cooking for everyone else!

Understand that purgatory! On time I was so ill I lived on water for about 3 weeks. I could not stand the smell of cooking meat and had to reintroduce my system to protein. Most amazing experience.