PREDICTING EARTHQUAKES

My full name is John Tsatsaragos. I think that is necessary to present myself first. WHO I AM John Tsatsaragos lives in Volos area, Central east Greece. He has a degree in Electronics and works in the production department of a large cement factory for over twenty-six years. He has also worked as electronics engineer for Greek National Radio-Television. His interests and job experience include all sound systems, constructing complex electronic circuits, transmitting and receiving radio signals, measuring all physical amounts including measures in the electromagnetic field, automation systems, computer systems, and basic computer programming. He loves Physics and Astronomy and is also a member of the amateur Astronomy group in Volos. He has designed, and has constructed, a station of observing and recording electrical pre-earthquake signals from the ground, which is in operation for more than 21 years. His recent installation is fully computerised. Recently, he is member of a scientific team that works on Earthquake prediction based on electrical signals recorded on ground surface. The team apply an integrated methodology answering on "WHERE", "WHEN" and "OF WHAT MAGNITUDE" a large EQ will occur. You can find full presentation of the team HERE. You know already what I presented in topic 9. I will continue to present you my work and the teamwork here. I will use simple words and daily updated graphs. For absolutely scientific presentation you can visit HERE. Please feel free and comfortable here. Feel me as good friend from the opposite side of earth. I will answer on any question you have. I will explain anything you need to know on my research too. John

HOW WE CAN SEE AN ONCOMING EQ IN GREECE? From now on, you will be able to see the graph of the recent signals here. They are recorded in my station at Volos. This graph, titled RECENT 24-HOUR SIGNALS, will be updated almost every day. Thus, each time you will visit here, you will see the updated graph. (The dates appear on the horizontal axis). In order to understand what exactly you see, I give you first the 40-day graph, which shows the corresponding signals for the big EQ in Skyros Island area in the Aegean Sea (M=6.4R), on 26th July 2001, at a distance 125 Km from my station. PRE-EARTHQUAKE 24-HOUR SIGNALS OF SKYROS EQ The second 40-day graph (below) shows the corresponding signals for the big EQ in Dodecanese Islands in the southeast Aegean Sea (M=6.3R), on 22nd January 2002, at a distance 545 Km from my station. The same graph shows also the corresponding signals for the big EQ in Afyon, province of Turkey, (M=6.5R), on 3rd February 2002, at a distance 722 Km east of my station. PRE-EARTHQUAKE 24-HOUR SIGNALS OF DODECANESE ISLANDS AND AFYON, TURKEY EQ's Finally, here is the 40-day graph of my recent signals. RECENT 24-HOUR SIGNALS (Updated daily) Notes: First, the importance is the amplitude of the oscillation (yellow line). When the amplitude rises, an EQ is expected. As amplitude is bigger, more secure is that an EQ will occur. Second, The three graphs above, have exact the same scale in both axes, for easy correlation. I present you the bar graph below for more easy correlation between max amplitude of my signals before the big EQ's of Skyros Island, Dodecanese Islands, and Afyon Province (in Turkey), together with the amplitude of my last 24 hours signals. This graph is also updated almost every day. ATTENTION THE AMPLITUDE OF MY RECENT SIGNALS DOES NOT REPRESENTS MAGNITUDE OF AN ONCOMING EQ, BECAUSE THE DISTANCE OF ITS SOURCE IS UNKNOWN. Complete description for each one of the above big EQ's including theory and examples of smaller EQ's, you can find in my site, which is: http://users.otenet.gr/~bm-ohexwb/ John

hi john!

HOW WE CAN FIND WHEN WILL BECOME THE ONCOMING EQ When we see big amplitude signals we know that the oncoming EQ will occur in a few days. We find that big EQ's became at the higher or lower peak of the mean daily tidal gravity variations curve, plus or minus one day. This is true for more than 90% of the big EQ's, which they occurred in Greece since the year 1952. So, we have to see when is the next three-day dangerous time window. The three last big EQ's around my station they occurred during this dangerous time window as well. Tidal gravity curve is available for any place and time by a scientific computer program that gives a prediction curve. So, we can easily find when is the dangerous three-days window just after we receive big amplitude signals. I present you the last example for Afyon, Turkey EQ (M=6.5R). Bar graph below shows the mean daily tidal gravity curve for February 2002. From the other hand, in my signals graph (see my previous response) you can see that the signals were raised at the end of January. So, the most dangerous days was the 3rd, 4th an 5th of February (red bars). This was proved absolutely precise as you can see on the above bar graph. ATTENTION: This graph does not mean anything without existence of signals. John

HOW WE CAN FIND WHERE IS THE EPICENTRE OF THE ONCOMING EQ We use the signals from the two crossing dipoles as components of the total signal. We can calculate the azimuth direction by applying simple physics. I found the precise direction of the two receiving dipoles by use of GPS instrument. A special computer program can scan big number of data and calculate the azimuth direction very fast. So we know the azimuth direction for the source of the signals by running this program. I will use the example for the Afyon, Turkey EQ again. On February 2, we found the azimuth direction at 93 degrees, by running the above program. That is to say almost easterly concerning my station. (The precise azimuth direction of the real epicentre was 97 degrees). You can see on the above map the blue-red arrow that shows the azimuth direction that was calculated on February 2. I notice that the distance of the epicentre was about 722 Km from my station. Unfortunately, we have only one station and we cannot calculate the precise place of the epicentre on this line and also to approach the precise magnitude of the imminent earthquake. Are required at least two additional stations that we do not have until now. John

How far from your station in Volos can the additional two stations be? I offer you my property in Hawaii for your second monitoring station if it will be of any help to you.

Hi John! Great posts! I'll keep an eye on this topic as well! Shawn

We use this graph when we have significant signals. The three more dangerous days for an oncoming EQ are these, which are centered the lower or the upper peaks. I will update this graph every month. John

Hi all Impressive graphics John. Is it possible to see a long term pattern to the fluctuations yet. By being able to read long term patterns you can sort of make a rough guess as to what the future holds. Keep up the good work and let us know what happens from here. Rob

I recorded a new strong world signal yesterday. I don�t know much for these signals. I found that during 9 or 10 weeks after the signal will become a big EQ somewhere in the world. I can�t find where. Its magnitude will be greater than 6.7R. This is my yesterday record. (24 hours) Since August 1999 I recorded 80 similar signals and they happened 78 EQ's with magnitude greater than 6.7R around the world until this moment. A good question is "How and why these signals can arrive in Volos?" I cannot answer by my self. Maybe the explanation is here: http://serpiente.dgsca.unam.mx/serv_hem/revistas/fisica/1997/01/koshevay.html The fact that these signals they have about the same amplitude it increases the possibility of an electromagnetic world resonator with constant quality factor. They differ only in the duration, which is not important. John

The earth has been describes as ringing like a struck bell when an earthquake hits. Waves travel around the world just as waves do in a pond when a stone is thrown in. In this lake case, the waves do not happen until the event. Might there be some precursor event you are sensing? We are just in our infancy in understanding the dynamics of the earth. I wish you had more monitoring stations. If I knew what to do, I'd do it immediately to assist your research.

that is just amazing john!!! good work!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi all I remember that term being used to describe the Earth after the Mw 8.4 earthquake in Peru last year. The Earth rung like a bell as a result of the June 2001 event, which worst affected Arequipa. Rob

That bell-effect (reverberation) can be checked by looking at world-wide seismograms. They are truly remarkable!

I finished the first web site of Geo - Web Library. It contains also, the Updated World Signals and information for our prediction team. Please inform me if you have any difficulty to access it or if you found some errors in it. John

We have been informed via our exports in Western Australia that we are due for the big one very soon. Some thousands of small and some larger quakes have been happening in the last few months. Perth has been shaken a few times recently and we have been told to be prepared.

my apologies experts.

Hi Anne, I am not expert but I can say something due to my experience. I don't know if these many quakes are the only criterion in order they can say anything for an oncoming strong quake. It secure if we say that their area is seismically active. But this is not meaning that it will become a strong quake there. It is good sign if you have big number of small quakes because they reduce the stored energy. It reduces the possibility for big earthquake. Regards John

thanks john, that makes sense to me!

Indeed Anne, I had also heard the same comments. I suggest the media not give these people air time or paper space because it alarms but does not inform. Please keep in touch. I thought about you when I saw it mentioned. John is correct. And, yes he is an expert. His data is far more reliable than others who have lots of letters after their names and who hold high positions.

that must be how the news get their money--sensationalism. anne, can't tell you how many times they've scared me! *HUGS*

Thanks for the reassurance I must admit to being more than somewhat alarmed with the media hype - I find I can relax a little now. Will keep you informed if anything further happens.

Yet again our news media are going on about the big one. Its unbelievable that they can continue with these scare tactics. We are in the middle of a dreadful drought and I am beginning to wonder if they are trying to get us away from the truth and scare us into worrying about the earthquakes being imminent. I am finding myself neither trusting politians or the media these days. Do you find yourselves in this position.

Yes, Anne, indeed we do find ourselves searching for information which is not there. The politicians do not want to know what might happen because they will be responsible in the event that they misjudge the danger. Has it really come down to the fact that we are a litigious society so completely that NO one wants to become involved? I fear that is the situation. If John's worthy research does nothing else, it will at least inform those who will read it to see what is actually happening to the earth at the present moment. Perhaps we need to make a little enclave of watchers and informers of our own space. John's world predictions will be better when he has more stations world-wide. My substrate waits for instrumentation, and my son's does, as well. I think I need to light a fire under my son, since he is making his own. I thought your drought had eased. Good grief, it has been years in length by now. Do you have wildfires again? Drought is not something I take lightly. I live on a very finite island and if we do not have enough rain, we are affected immediately. I'll send you monsoon thoughts and a bit of our tropical rain soakers to your watershed.

I want help you Anne. I don't know on what strange or unusual phenomenon they based on and they say something so serious. On what they give reason for their prediction? If you heard something please tell me. But looking at the seismisity map of your area (below) I found only a few small EQ's on the solid earth of Australia. They are not give reason for a big earthquake I think. We have three to six EQ's in Greece every day with magnitudes 3 to 5R but the big EQ's are infrequent. I noticed a big number of EQ's with magnitude from 3.0R to 4.8R within a few months in a small area many times. But a big one never came. They have enough small probability of confirmation, if their prediction is based on statistical data alone. I suppose that they have not any additional information or observation. In any case you can e-mail me any time. John

Thank you John for your offer of help I will certainly inform you if any more comes from this area. Marcia I know this isn't about earthquakes but I live in Western Australia which is supposed to be under severe drought yet the strange thing is where I live we have had quite a bit of rain during the past month and the people who run our weather centre says we have had none! I find everything very strange these days. They have now stopped talking about earthquakes and the big one - all the talk is the fact they have run out of money and need more. So I suppose it is leading up to severe charges for water etc.

Anne, as soon as John can get back online, you will discover that your situation is not unique in the world. I thought fear of science was what separated politicians from the facts they need. Now it appears they do not WANT to know what is happening so they will not be held accountable. I'm not all that sure we are any better off with the best equipment on earth staffed by the USGS. You would think they would use some sort of diversionary tactics to keep your mind off the water problem if they were not preparing you mentally for large increases in rates. I suppose catchment is out of the question. That is what people here do when they tire of being yanked around by the politicians and public utilities. I've never considered that option. Drinking greenish water is not my idea of civilized living. I think Rob, in New Zealand will also tell the same story. How odd, though, that you have had so much rain but not enough, apparently!

Hi all At 10:51 UTC today it happens a significant earthquake in distance of 360 Km almost north of Volos. It reported by USGS: Date-Time 2002 04 24 10:51:51 UTC Location 42.43N 21.51E Depth 10.0 kilometers Magnitude 5.5 Region NORTHWESTERN BALKAN REGION Reference 25 miles (40 km) SE of Pristina, Yugoslavia Source USGS NEIC My signals was low but not at the absolutely background level. My original signals are updated daily in Geo portal. After FFT process in 22nd April on them, we have the following particular signals: And the azimuth direction that was calculated is: Red circle is the place of the real epicenter of today�s earthquake. John

It seems that each time I sleep the rest of the world does amazing things. What we need to do is to get you other stations whose data you can coordinate with those of your own monitoring station. How we can accomplish this is someting I cannot even begin to understand, but I do know two people who have offered you their far-flung substrate for your use. From the grahpics Dr Thanassoulas worked up from your data, this earthquake does not surprise me in the least!

Hi all, Unfortunately I recorded a new strong pre-earthquake signal yesterday. This type of signals comes before Big Earthquakes anywhere on the Earth. The eventuality is near 100% in order to be realized. This is my signal from the recorded file: This is meaning a Big Earthquake (greater than 6.7R) within next 2-3 months. For more information about this type of pre-earthquake signals you can see in Geo Portal: http://www.spring.net/geo/JohnVolos/Public/pages/inviation.htm I can answer on any question that you maybe have. John

how come the signal dropped? it doesn't matter which way the signal goes (dropping or rising)? i wish we could get you some more stations so you can pinpoint these places!! thanks, john *HUGS*

If I could make one by myself, John would already be getting data from my substrate. I think I must urge David to get his station built and installed. This is very important basic research John is doing. We must help in any way we can. Speaking of advance warning, I audited a course of college geophysices this morning and was appalled to know that all the USGS said they could hope for was a few minutes warning so people could get their water bottles and food and turn off the untilities before the earthquake happened. That is not going to save lives. Can they be so blind to research that they cannot do any better than that? Our tax dollars are not being well-spent if this is the case.

if i could, i'd set up a station here but wouldn't that contradict/compromise what CA already has lined up? how can we get the EQ centers in these prone states to hook up across the globe?

Wolfie, John will tell you and I will agree that politics and ego problems preclude co�peration. Even when the public good is at stake, no one seems to want to know about this danger because if they know, then they will be responsible for protecting and taking care of us. If they don't - think of the legal implications. Also, John is not part of the establishment academics with geology or geophysics degrees. It seems, when some scientists have their degrees they feel they can stop learning and researching. They do not appreciate "outside intelligence" making them look foolish. They think with their egos and not with their itellects. But, in this case, that is exactly what is happening.

The above being said, I want NO ONE to think John has a mind of lesser brilliance than the many-lettered men who are ignoring his research. He has both a great grasp of Physics and a firm base in Engineering which makes him ideal for such work. It is unfortunate in every possible way that his work is not being regarded with the esteem it deserves!

well, everyone thought einstein was crazy too! john, i'm happy to know you and to watch this baby grow up!!

The only problem I can see with John's ground-breaking research is his fame. We are having to share him with all of Greece. Soon it will be all of the world. I could not wish it on a more worthy gentleman.

Thank you Wolfie and Marcia, Well, I will tell you something from my past. My schoolfellows in high school were calling me "crazy scientist". Perhaps they had right... (Laugh). I was in a dinner with some of them last week. They know well my research and its results but some of them are doing the unaware! The others were jubilant! (Please do not make any parallelism between Einstein and me. I am too small!) My signals are a little "crazy" during the last days. I pray they stop increasing. "Big Sigh" John

I am expecting a world quake - or several, but it is the imminent local quakes that concern me. I can predict it happening soon if not immediately! Look at John's signals for Greece. We are also in the dnager window. Then next one is around my birthday. I hope Gaia does not celebrate with earthquakes! No, I would not wish Einstein's brain on you. He had a difficult life and was forced to live in a world that he really did not fit in. An agile and inquisitive mind is the best. You can think and inquire in many directions, John. That is really the best of all possible worlds. (I also think your classmates were a little envious of you - you looked younger than any of them!

I recorded this new strong world pre-earthquake signal yesterday. This is the graph from the recorded file: You can see also a strange periodical oscillation on this curve. I don�t know what is until now. It is real! John

I have not seen that sort of signal on any type of recording before yours. A dppel plunging spike then a little roll at the top. Yes it is real. What it means remains to be seen. Thank you, John. I go to your updates to see if your part of the world is still alive before I read anything else.

Interesting work, John! The strange oscillation that was superimposed on your signals until five days ago, seems to have a period of about 16 minutes (as far as I can tell from the graphs). Do you have any idea what it might be?

Curious that escaped me. I had been studying the trees and losing sight of the entire forest. Thanks for the question, George. I am also eager to know if there is some sort of correlation. Aloha and Welcome, George. New geophiles are always welcome.

For those of you who an read Greek, this article about John's current fame and the recognition of his predicting veracity is in the one below. http://www.e-thessalia.gr/newsfeed.asp?Fv1=1&Fv2=23/5/2002&Fv3=&Fv4=6397 I tried pasting the Greek article here but Yapp does not recognize the Alphabet involved.

Welcome to GEO George. I think that you are Greek. It is wonderful! Where you live in Greece? It is a form of signals that appeared also before strong EQ�s like the big one in Ismit (Turkey, in the August of 1999 7.5R) and the Athens EQ on September 1999. But how do you know that peaks? They are not readable in my graphs. Welcome again. Please stay with us. John

Marcia and John, thank you for your warm welcome messages! May I take the opportunity to extend my greetings (from John's part of the world) to all participants of GEO. Yes John, you are right; I live in Athens. In response 40 you present a graph of your record of May 12, 2002. There are 3 large peaks in the record (one of which you interpreted as a World Signal) and 89 small peaks, so there is one small peak every 16.2 minutes. The small peaks seem to be superimposed on your signal (the apex of the world signal peak looks identical to the small peaks). All small peaks have the same amplitude, their spacing (period of the oscillation) is constant and their shape looks identical, although (as you pointed out correctly) I cannot see their exact shape at the scale of your graph. This oscillation lasted from May 7 to May 19 with a small break in the early hours of May 19. I think this oscillation is too regular and too persistent to be the result of a physical (natural) process, but on the other hand I am not a specialist in the analysis of geophysical records. The questions are: 1) Is this oscillation really as regular as it looks at the scale of your graph? , 2) Is there a physical process that could generate such an oscillation? and 3) Have you tried to isolate and analyze this (strange, as you call it) oscillation? I just noticed that Dr. Thanassoulas has added a new page ("Last Large Seismic Event in Greece") in his site. In it, he describes the above oscillation as "high frequency (SES) signal". I guess, that answers part of my questions, however I would like to have your opinion on the rest.

Again, Welcome to Geo, George. You provide what I cannot for John. Someone who actually understands the intricacies of his research. For that I am most grateful. All I ask is that you continue your dialogue in English so we might all learn from you. I find it more than a little daunting to have two bilingual Greek gentlemen posting here in the humble little conference I created out of my imagination and experiences almost 3 years ago. You both honor us with your presence. Aloha from the flanks of Kilauea, the world's most active volcano.

Hi George, I am glad that I find you here. I am happy also for your good and realistic questions. Yes George, you are right; I was forgotten that I posted that graph. Indeed they are pulses with almost constant period, constant width and constant amplitude. I made all possible checks during the presence of these signals because I had the same questions with you. I found that it was real signal in the nature finally. The signals disappeared so suddenly as so suddenly appeared. Now I can say that these signals were not man-made. I am absolutely sure. I know electronics very well but not so well geology. Dr Thanassoulas has enough experience from the signals of VAN group. They are SES signals with the same shape as he says and as he has showed me. I remind you that the SES signals are those who examine Dr. Varotsos and VAN group. From the other had the 24-hour period oscillation was significant and about constant. The azimuth direction was also about constant to the south-south east direction in a wide area of the electromagnetic spectrum (see Dr. Thanassoulas analysis). From my side I notice the red line in my graph of the recent signals. It is in middle position of the oscillation and it gives the sensation that represents the increasing of the pressure at faults rims. (It is my opinion but also Dr Thanassoulas agree). You ask me if it is there a physical process that could generate such an oscillation. I can't answer. But it is a real fact that needs an answer. Perhaps we need some help from other sciences. In any case we make a research. That means that we have always-new questions and we try to answer. We are learning nature with this new eye finally. Our results on the earthquake prediction are absolutely positive independently of what theory can explain it. A new article was published today in Greece about our work. It is in the newspaper Thessalia of Volos. You can read it in this address: http://www.e-thessalia.gr/newsfeed.asp?Fv1=1&Fv2=27/5/2002&Fv3=&Fv4=6572 Unfortunately for our friends here it is only in Greek language. I don't know about your studies George. If you have any new idea, it is welcome. Warm wishes from Volos John

Hi George, glad to see you here!!

Thank you for your prompt and honest answers to my questions, John. I apologize for my short disappearance, but I was out of town for fieldwork. I am a marine geologist specializing in coastal processes, nearshore hydrodynamics and remote sensing. For more than sixteen years I have been using a digital data acquisition system, that I have developed, to record and analyze sea waves and currents, wind speed and direction, air and sea temperature and other environmental parameters. All records have been analyzed in both time and frequency domains using time-series analysis techniques. You would be amazed to see how similar some of our records look! For several months I have been studying the records and the analyses that you and Dr. Thanassoulas have been posting in your sites. I am convinced that most of your records represent a real signal and not any type of noise. I do not know what kind of signal they are, or how they are produced, but their correlation with earthquakes is impressive! The piezoelectric mechanism, described by Dr. Thanassoulas and others, seems plausible but (in my opinion) cannot explain signals like the one you posted here in responce 40. Your records of May 12, 2002 and some days before an after that, are completely different from anything that I have seen in your sites during the last six months. They are also different from all examples of SES signals that I have seen in Dr. Thanassoulas' pages and in published works of the VAN group. In fact they are so different that you described them (correctly) as "strange periodical oscillation" and "pulses with almost constant period, constant width and constant amplitude". I find it extremely hard to accept that any physical process (piezoelectric or other) could produce such constant electric pulses in a switch-like manner for so long. That's why I got curious and I asked your opinion about it. I have to stress that the above comments are not an attempt to diminish the achievements of your research efforts. Unexpected, strange and unexplained results tend to pop up regularly in earth science experiments. They help us draw the line between things we do and things we don't understand and often they become the necessary stimulus for us to re-evaluate and improve our experimental designs. Thank you, once more, John, for taking the time to answer my questions. If I could help you in any way, I'd be glad to! Best wishes from Athens!

Welcome George.

Thank you George for your frank reply. Furthermore, I am sure that your own perennial research, even if in neighbouring sector, it contains enough strange and unexpected discoveries that ask answers. I must say to you that it is not the first time where I recorded similar signals. I am sure that these signals are REAL without question. The station of reception functions in the house where I live and I watch what it is recorded in real time. Thus I can make the required tests each time when I have doubts. Your object is exceptionally interesting. Perhaps you could say to us more about your work here. Also, I think that it must be very interesting and useful for both of us a real discussion for our experiences. I like this idea. You live in Athens. Would be interesting to me a meeting with you. My children live in Athens too. I visit them some times. Also, you can visit my station if you come some day in Volos. We can communicate directly by e-mail. Thank you again George. My best wishes John

George, if you ever need data on tsunami occurrances, Hilo, Hawaii has had more than their share. I would be happy to assist you!

Hi John. I am sure that you double- (and tripple-) check everything before you post a graph that contains a world signal and a SES signal! If you and Dr. Thanassoulas are convinced that the strange oscillation we talked about is a SES signal, then I am convinced too. It seems that this signal was the last warning before the Milos earthquake. I am sure that you have been investigating the nature of this oscillation (especially since you have recorded similar signals before) and I hope that you will discover the process that is responsible for its peculiar characteristics. When I talked about unexpected, strange and unexplained results I did have in mind some examples from my own research. A couple of them have to do with bizzare instument behaviour that could be published in the Journal of Irreproducible Results, but the rest were really intriguing and provided the most interresting scientific results. One or two still remain unexplained... Maybe you could give me a hand with those! I look forward to meeting you either in Athens or in Volos and I certainly would like to learn more about your research, your experimental design and your experiences!

Journal of Irreproducable Results?! I have spent many happy hours reading the brilliant writing and clever "research" presented there. George, I am delighted you have remained here to confer with John. Research with such promising life-saving results is important. Please continue. We are delighted (I am, anyway!) that you are so interested and also have similar and allied results with your research. If there is any way I may be of assistance, please let me know!

Hi George, Thank you for your scientific position. I must inform you that in my site are presented the signals as they are recorded without any processing. I find it useful in order to be clear what is recorded in the original form. The signals are processed and analysed by a special program that we have constructed. Dr Thanassoulas makes this work also everyday and publishes the results CAREFULLY in his site. We do not analyse SES signals but we are seeing them. We examine mainly the 24h period signals and the entire electromagnetic spectrum with periods greater than one hour. The term World Signals is mine. They are very big reductions of the recorded level. Its amplitude is about constant but not the duration. Correlation factor of these signals with big EQ�s (M greater than 6.7R) everywhere on Earth is very close to 100%. Dr Thanassoulas has no time to spend with them. But they are very interesting as well. They remind me the response of a resonator with constant quality factor and appeared only in the North-South dipole. Personally I can�t find a way to examine them longer. Perhaps you have an idea. It seems that Schuman Resonator theory can explain them but I can�t proceed with my means. I hope that I will have a chance to see you the next weekend. Perhaps we can discuss also with Dr Thanassoulas directly. I think that we have to learn from each other knowledge and experience. I hope you will find some time for it. Regards John

Hi all I received the following world signal on June 16th The same day we had also the followed big EQ: 2002/06/16 06:54:37.9 5.1S 176.7E 30 Mb6.8 A. ODC TUVALU REGION Received by ORFEUS data Center, De Bilt, Netherlands And reported by: EMSC John

Hi again I received a new world signal the next day. This is the signal: The above signals are presented also in our Special Table of Contents (Click below the Geo title). You can see also there, the process of the signal during the last 40 days. (It is updated daily). John

How great is your success with these signals! I am delighted. I do hope the gentleman in Instanbul makes another sensing station for you for his own propterty. That would be a great help! I miss Geo. I am typing this on a friend's computer. I expect to have mine back and configured by the middle of next week.

Hi Marcia Your excellent building Geo embraces the entire Earth by the tool of knowledge. I share my research with all of you because I believe that learning together is a good chance we become closer each other, even if we live in different places around the Earth. I am just trying to put a small building block in the courtyard of your building. John

You are succeeding most beautifully with the building block of finest Parthian marble. Oddly enough, my host's comment to others at the recent conference we attended, when told he had made a siginificant contribution to the research in his field, he said he had only created a brick, not the whole structure. We must all build on these building blocks as we can. Sikander, as you still there/ I WILL TRY TO EMAIL YOU! John, if only you knew how significant your "block" was that you are creating! I condsider it of cornerstone potential.

I received this new word signal yesterday. John

The unassertive sees his creations as building units. Usually, the others see the building that the unassertive creator degrades. History says that our buildings become building blocks for those who follow us during the trip to the future. It is big luck host and guest they are so much virtuous. Enjoy this harmony Marcia. John

*Hugs* John, you are right about enjoying the harmony. I am learning much and another lady who is completing her PhD in archaeology will be staying here for the weekend. I am looking forward to learning much and listening even more. Your workd signal is the strongest one I can remember. How seeious is it? I guess we will wait and see again. There are quite a few world eq's pending. Be safe!!!

This is what I recorded yesterday. That positive pulse is very interesting! No additional comments for the moment. John

Earth became very anxious. Take cares my friends. I am very anxious too with this high number of signals within a few days. I had a new one signal yesterday. This one. John

thanks for keeping us posted....

My part of the crust is relatively stable. I also worry for those of you who are in active areas where large quakes cause so much death and misery. Siaknder and John, please be careful. EQs are some of the most difficult things to prwepare for - especially when they spring out of nowhere to devastate your world.

Hi all Picture this if you can - an apocalypse in the world biggest metropolis, powerhouse of the Japanese economy, national capital, and home to 34 MILLION people. No, this is not the aftermath of the yen caving in, but a scenario of what will happen in Tokyo when the expected major earthquake hits. Despite Japan being a world leader in earthquake preparedness and having a record a mile long of destructive events, the reality is not entirely what one might imagine of Japans economic power. This essay examines what may happen in the Tokyo metropolis in the event of a bad earthquake. It answers three questions: 1)Why is Tokyo at risk from bad earthquakes? A geological and engineering perspective. 2)What is likely to happen in an earthquake? 3)What has been done to protect the city? For the purpose of this particular essay, a magnitude 8.2 earthquake centred 15 kilometres from Tokyo at a depth of 20km has hit the city. The death toll reaches 300,000. Aftershocks have magnitudes of up to 7.3 on the Richter scale, but there is no tsunami. Why is Tokyo at risk from bad earthquakes? The Tokyo metropolitan area sits near the junction of three tectonic plates. Along the boundaries of these plates a colossal amount of stress is building up in the crust which is deforming the land. But like a rubber band you can stretch the rocks only so far before they snap. Well along the plate boundary there is numerous ways an earthquake can be generated. One is that the plates are sliding past each other like in the case of New Zealand and the United States. This means the rocks might be locked in place by their physical location and properties and so a large earthquake is required to move the rocks. Another is subduction. The diving plate is generating a lot of heat (melting rock creating magma)and friction which causes earthquakes along the subduction zone (Hikurangi Trench - NZ, and off the Alaskan coast, and of the South American coast). Tokyo also sits on alluvial plains which might be vulnerable to liquefaction in an earthquake (liquefaction is when the groundwater comes to the surface bringing sediment with it. Buildings might sink into the saturated sediments to a depth of a few metres or more (Niigata, 1964 is a prime example). So infrastructure and buildings are at risk from sinking into liquified sediments and the costs of building deep foundations is quite high so construction companies generally try to avoid it. History tells us a lengthy tale of some catastrophic events for the worst would have to be the great Kanto earthquake of 1923. It measured 7.9 on the Richter Scale, and destroyed Tokyo and Yokohama. 140000 people were killed in the earthquake and the firestorm that followed because of the busted gas mains. And it was worsened when a localised tsunami came ashore. When all hell breaks lose - the likely problems. You get to your feet, and your head is swimming. You cannot think rationally and are incoherent. Your house is a wreck - broken windows, masonry, walls, an amazing mess on the floor from your cupboards, pantry and shelves. You go outside and it looks like a nuclear bomb went off minus the radiation. Powerlines and power poles are down in a chaotic tangle sparking and cackling. Broken water pipes send floods of much needed water pouring down the roads, and with no water pressure for that reason, the fires spread. Ruptured gas mains fuel the fires and start even more. Collapsed buildings block roads and hamper emergency services trying to reach the wounded, the fires and few places where water is freely available. Add to all this, after an earthquake the size of the one that is likely to hit, one could reasonably expect a tsunami to add to the misery since any offshore event would have displaed a vast segment of the sea floor. Not to mention the aftershocks that will go on for weeks and maybe almost as strong as the initial event. Finally, though maybe this would not occur in Japan, to top of a truly horrible situation, there is the risk of disease from the dead and the dying plus the shattered sewage mains. With the onset of the earthquake, the Yen loses 15% of its value in a hit and 25% in three days, wiping billions from the Japanese economy and causing an exodus of sorts of investors in Japan. The economic shockwaves are felt around the world and the exports from Japan take a dive. What has been done to protect the city? To be fair because of the severity of such an event, Tokyo has stringent plans in place to deal with something that everyone not only knows is coming, but get reminded by nature every few weeks. Tokyo has a network of radial and ring roads/railways that emergency services will have priority access to after an earthquake to speed up the relief operation. These are backed up annually by a massive Civil Defence exercise, involving the armed forces, and the emergency services on every September 1 (the day of the Great Kanto earthquake) to test the readiness and efficiency of the emergency services in dealing with a variety of tasks. Tokyo has also built several large shelters with water systems installed so that people may take shelter from a large firestorm in the event of an earthquake. This would avoid in theory the horrendous loss of life in 1923. However there is also a shady side to it all, most notably in the construction sector where sometimes money speaks louder than human lives. So one is rightfully disappointed when it is said that bribes are offered and sometimes accepted to cut corners in the earthquake building code to save costs by not properly reinforcing buildings, using second grade steel and possibly not using the correct techniques (like inserting steel rings in concrete piles supporting raised motorways and so on). Because this represents the most shocking loss of face to the people involved, you will almost never hear about this in the press. Conclusions After reading this one can certainly say that Tokyo and the metropolitan area surrounding it is in for a rough time after a large earthquake. However one hopes the civil preparations will ease the situation and prevent a catastrope. So maybe the people of Tokyo will be spared the shocking events of 1923 where a large earthquake spawned not only a firestorm but was followed by a tsunami and this combination led to a horrendous loss of life. At the end of the day, the question is not IF an earthquake is coming but WHEN, and how BIG it will be on seismic scales. But if it lives up to the reputation of the infamous 1923 disaster which killed 140,000 people, it really will be the 60 seconds that shook the world. Rob

A new world signal is recorded yesterday: John

This is the signal John

Excellent example Rob. Unfortunately big cities around the world are very defenceless to a catastrophic event like the EQ. The reason is only one. They are builds based only on economic standards. This is also the main reason that makes difficult any effectual emergency plan. We will wail for thousands lives until the day when each one of us will have as first priority the safe life against the economic parameters. We place much more reliance in our technology than its limits. From the other hand the political cost is high if they know for an oncoming EQ and it will cause victims. So, they prefer to say that EQ prediction is impossible until today! It appears impossible but is real. John

Rob, I think we have discussed this metropolis disaster scenario before w\elsewhere. Nothing will be done!

Early Warning for Earthquakes Izu Islands, Japan Tuesday 9th July 2002 Earthquakes may signal their impending arrival by radio, according to scientists in Japan. Seiya Uyeda and his colleagues have reported measuring anomalous variations in the electrical and magnetic fields at Japan's Izu islands since the end of March 2000, and within about three months of a series of earthquakes. Using telephone wires as antennas for very low-frequency radio signals, they identified changes in them over the three-month period preceding the quakes - and a peak in their amplitude just before the first large earthquake on July 1. With very little chance that the signals are man-made, the work lends strong support to the idea that earthquakes may be predictable by careful observation of very low-frequency electromagnetic disturbances. (Boston Globe) http://www.volcanolive.com/volcanolive.html John

John, I assume they give you credit with making this method well known worldwide? Probably not, alas! We know who did the long and arduous research for so many years unheralded. Are they using the same methods as yours?

I receive this new world signal yesterday: ***Sigh*** John

that's a pretty big one, huh? hang in there john *HUGS*

That is worrisome,indeed. Especially when we have so many already recorded and waiting completion and the actual event. Impressive! And more than alittle daunting to think about. ***SIGH***

The first Anniversary of this news item, and still they are actively predicting. *Applause* to John and his colleagues. PROFESSOR OF GEOPHYSICS CLAIMS TO HAVE PREDICTED THE EARTHQUAKE Athens, 29 July 2001 (21:05 UTC+2) Research according to which he expected an earthquake of 5,7 R to occur in Greece two days later, when it actually did, was submitted on the 23rd of July in a seminar in Bulgaria by Geophysics Professor Konstantinos Thanasoulas. Mr. Thanasoulas has been researching the prediction of earthquakes since 1982, but only just last year did he manage to get any results, after his cooperation with Giannis Tsaragos, electronic engineer. As he stated to a local television channel, STAR , before the earthquake there is a deformation in certain rock formations, which creates an electrical field and by applying simple mathematics one can find the source of this electrical field. Mr. Tsatsaragos pointed out in statements to the same channel, that in a length of time under 15 days from when the widening of the electrical field begins an earthquake is expected. The two scientists' station showed indications of an upcoming earthquake from July 20th up until 20 minutes before the earthquake took place in Skyros. The scientists point out that they can predict the intensity and time of the earthquake, but not the exact epicenter because they only have one station at their disposal. After the verification of their prediction the Bulgarians showed interest in Mr. Athanasoula's method. The interest was not shared by the Ministry of the Environment Physical Planning and Public Works or by the Organization Antiseismic Protection, who were informed about the research and its results. In any case, in scientific research that took place in 1993 in the seismological lab of the University of Athens, the epicenter and the intensity of the earthquake in Skyros had been predicted, but the exact date had not. http://www.hri.org/news/greek/mpab/2001/01-07-29.mpab.html#02

I also noted the following article. I suspect things have not improved in the past year! �SECRET BREACHES� WORRY SCIENTISTS Athens, 29 July 2001 (20:25 UTC+2) Great unrest has been caused among seismologists, by the dozens of "secret breaches" existing in the Aegean, and that seem to present "secret threats". Many Greek and foreign specialists seem to be troubled, since after the great earthquakes of Turkey and Parnitha they have expeditiously arrived to chart the until recently unknown breaches. History has shown that most of the catastrophic earthquakes have been caused by these "secret breaches", and in fact in areas that are considered non seismogenous, just as it occurred with the Fyli breach that caused the 5,9 R earthquake in 1999. "The study and charting of the specific breach is almost near completion. Thus, for the first time we know all of its characteristics", stated the seismologist-researcher of the Athens Observatory's Geodynamic Institute, Gerasimos Papadopoulos. http://www.hri.org/news/greek/mpab/2001/01-07-29.mpab.html#03

This is the latest record of my World Signals. John

that is the lowest i've ever seen them dip!

Two new impressive world signals were recorded yesterday and before yesterday. Here they are. John

That IS worrisome! We have had only one of which I am aware. Have I missed something? That is quite a lot of serious seismic activity awaiting the unknowing earth.

I have a new surprise from Earth! Here is: John

I am sorry for my mistake. I have a new surprise from Earth! Here is: John

Hi all! John, do I see SES signals preceding and following your last World Signal, or am I wrong? Also, is it possible that a pending large EQ could produce more than one World Signals?

Hi George and All Are you back to work George? Can I wish you good winter? I am very confused with these big signals. I have one per day during the last days! I recorded also one new signal yesterday. Here is: I am searching also other possible explanations. Have you any idea for a possible physical phenomenon that is quantic and it can absorb part to whole of the existing electric field between the N-S electrodes? I think that the NMR phenomenon not match because the Earth�s magnetic field is not enough strong. You are right. SES signals also appeared. From the other hand the 24-hour period signals are enough higher from the background level. We will see the continuance. It is very interesting. John

Wishes are always welcome, John and the weather does its best to remind us that summer will soon be over. My vacations at Santorini are over. I'm at Amaliada trying to combine vacations for the rest of the family and work on my laptop. Unfortunately my internet connection from here is a bit slow, so the postings we talked about will have to wait until I get back to Athens towards the end of the month. Your signals are indeed very interesting! I sincerely hope that you will be able to find an alternative explanation for the large number of world signals you recorded lately...

Gentlemen, I have requested a much more temperate winter for Greece than last year. I think it could not have been much worse. George, I am also working from a laptop and also understand the limitations of a substandard ISP. Thank you for continuing your fascinating and enlightening dialogue with John. I am but a mouse in the corner in rapt attention to all you say. How do you manage to keep your children from taking over you laptop? Are you also a stern parent? Good!!!

Hi Marcia, George and all. Thank you George. Meanwhile, I had a new big and unusual signal yesterday (because it has positive polarity). This signal is the third during the last 4 years that is so big with positive polarity. I can�t say anything for it. This is what I recorded during the past 24 hours: It is also welcome any possible idea that possibly helps to explain this phenomenon. I am sure that all of my big signals are not depending on ionosphere variations, human activities and weather interactions. In contrary, it appears that the levels of the variations of these signals are following steps just like as the energy levels in a quantic phenomenon. I underline also the two big EQ�s today (7.7R and 7.5R) in the region of Fiji Islands: 2002/08/19 11:08:25 23.81S 178.36E 693.7 7.7 A SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS 2002/08/19 11:01:01 21.80S 179.49W 586.8 7.5 A FIJI ISLANDS REGION Information by NEIC John

Marcia, if you succeed with the weather, I am sure that John and I will be able to think of a couple more requests... To thank you for your efforts, I will send you some really nice photographs from Santorini as soon as I get back to Athens. Your question about the laptop is easy to answer: First, I have bought my children a computer of their own, so that they will let me work on mine. But, as they both "need" the computer at the same time, they take over my laptop. However, they are really good kids and let me "play" with my laptop when they don't "need" it!*smile* Just in case we all need the laptop at the same time, I have a faster procedure to regain control of it. I offer to compile a list of observation times of satellites for the evening! I get my laptop back in no time, and we all enjoy a couple of hours in the evening spotting satellites and meteors and talking about anything you can think of...

Spotting satellites!!! I am looking forward to doing that with MY son and his wife when I return to California next week. I miss having a clear sky. It is clear here, but the air has so much *stuff* in it that it eclipses just about anything less bright than the moon and Venus. It is very disappointing, though I suspect the entire eastern part of the US is just like this. Good father, you seem to be. Your children will honor you if you can hang in there long enough, George! I know about *needing* things. I guess it was ever thus with parents and children. I'm working on the weather. Actually, the eastern US is requesting all of the snow this year. I think one should be careful for what one wishes. You just might get it! They may live to regret the abundance of snow, yet! Santorini??!! Oooh. You said the magic words. A volcanology/geology professor is doing Ground Penetrating Radar images of the Thera tuff so archaeologists are not wasting time digging holes in vacant spaces. I was so envious when I watched his slides. He was most complimentary about the people and the country of Greece in general. I agree.

I can�t imagine our hostess sitting in a corner like a mouse Marcia. A discussion becomes much more interesting with simple questions from simple people. But your knowledge is wide and your experiences significant. George, I am interesting to know what is the value of the Earth�s electric field inside the Earth�s crust. Please inform me if you know it or where I can find it. I have not laptop but I need one. It appears that my life will have a significant change at the end of this year. I will have much more free time and I will buy a laptop soon. John

Excellent news about the laptop. No one should be without one. I am even coming to like the little keyboard (I have small hands) and do not make as many errors as I previously did with it. Actually, I am quite happy with how compact and ready for field work it truly is. At home, I have it sitting on a little swiveling circular platform ("Lazy Susan") so I can download photos taken on archaeological trips and show them to Don. It works very well considering he is across the table from me. I also have it raised upon a heavy metal perforated disk to keep it cooler. Actually, what it was is the metal cover from this old home's basement drain. It is about 12 inches in diameter and is quite heavy. Laptops can be upgraded as I found out. Get what you need and work from there if necessary. Of course, we all like it with the maximum capacity and speed straigh away. You are correct, John. You know me too well! I am not the mouse in a corner type, but I do try to listen carefully and ask good questions. I truly enjoy sharing discoveries. But, you know that!

I know you very well Marcia. You are always correct. So, donate us a grin from your worthy throne of the honoured hostess. I expect hard questions, ideas and why not suggestions. John

I was wondering what brands you might consider. I am also eager to have George's input on his laptop experience. One can not be TOO informed, and by those who cherish you, what advice could be better?! (I am not always correct. Horrors! But how kind of you to think I am. This lofty throne has room for two of us. Your name also graces the cover page for this conference!)

Satellites give new view of quakes By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News Online science editor Radar detects how faults slip Data obtained from satellites is providing scientists with a new way to analyse the movements in the Earth's crust that cause earthquakes. Previously they had to rely on a series of spot measurements across an earthquake zone. The new data on rock movements comes from satellites that bounce radar signals across a wide swathe of the Earth's surface. The new insight may provide a way to study earthquake zones and predict when and where quakes may strike. Conventional wisdom overturned The earthquake that provided the new information took place on 16 October 1999 in California. The quake, of magnitude 7.1, caused only a little destruction and no injuries because it occurred in an area with a sparse population and development. Strain builds up before a quake Satellite observations of it produced information about never-before documented features of faults. These include the first evidence that faults move backwards, contrary to conventional wisdom. Yuri Fialko of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, US, says the research provides a new way to identify potentially active faults, and perhaps a better understanding of the earthquake process. Dr Fialko says the earthquake was the first one to be comprehensively imaged using so-called synthetic aperture radar that reveals minute details of the fault's movements. According to a paper in the journal Science the fresh data has given researchers a new window into earthquake processes. The most surprising finding was the first evidence that faults can move backwards. Prior to an earthquake, faults are locked in position by friction. "Even small stress perturbations from distant earthquakes can cause faults to move a little bit, but it's only been known to cause this motion in a forward sense," says Dr Fialko. "Here we observed the faults slipping backwards due to relatively small stress changes, which is really quite unusual." Soft rock The data also suggests that rocks in fault zones are more pliable that the rocks that surround them. "The material within the faults is mechanically distinct from the material surrounding the faults," says Dr Fialko. "The rocks within the faults appear to be softer." He believes that fault zones become strained during periods of stress and begin to act like a soft, sponge-like material. According to Dr Fialko, the results will guide new seismic studies to areas with contrasting fault material, such as that seen in the Eastern California Shear Zone. They can then be used as a way of identifying potentially active faults. "Measurements of changes in the mechanical properties of faults may yield valuable information about the earthquake cycle. For example, we might be able to say how long it was before the fault experienced an earthquake and how long it takes to heal," he says. Source: BBC NEWS (Friday, 13 September, 2002, 13:57 GMT) *********************** I could say that I had observed a decreasing of the pressure at the fault rims a few days before the main earthquake. Excellent example appears in my recordings before Skyros EQ (M=6.3R) on 26th July 2001. You can see clearly the decreasing of the amplitude between 19 and 20 of July: The above article from BBC becomes now very interesting. John

That is really interesting. Thanks for posting the information and the wonderful graphics, John.

John! How exciting! I never knew that was possible! I know you will keep us informed as to how it correlates with your research. I am delighted!

Hi all. My recent signals. Just for your information. John

You are going to have another quake, John! This is not psychic waves I am reading, nor tea leaves. This is obvious from John's signals and other data he has put on Geo's portal page. Link it on the Geo index page: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/Geo/all/new Better still, go to the portal page direct: http://www.spring.net/geo/

Aha! Ioannina quake An earthquake measuring 4.6 on the Richter scale shook the northern prefecture of Ioannina yesterday morning. The quake�s epicenter was 370 kilometers (231 miles) northwest of Athens, on the Albanian border north of Delvinaki. There were no reports of injuries or major damage. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100018_09/10/2002_21819

i tried to go to the prediction tool and it said "forbidden" :(

"Forbidden" disappeared! Our Special Table of Contents is completely alive again. Thank you Terry. John

Sure, sorry it took so long. If you want the gory technical details you can see them in the the unix conference, the topic on chmod.

Happy are we with our graphics returned! One of the world significant earthquakes occurred: A magnitude 6.7 earthquake IN THE IRIAN JAYA REGION, INDONESIA has occurred at: 1.48S 133.97E Depth 10km Thu Oct 10 12:28:25 2002 UTC Time: Universal Time (UTC) Thu Oct 10 12:28:25 2002 Time Near Epicenter Thu Oct 10 21:28:25 2002 Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) Thu Oct 10 08:28:25 2002 Central Daylight Time (CDT) Thu Oct 10 07:28:25 2002 Mountain Daylight Time (MDT) Thu Oct 10 06:28:25 2002 Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) Thu Oct 10 05:28:25 2002 Alaska Daylight Time (ADT) Thu Oct 10 04:28:25 2002 Hawaii Standard Time (HST) Thu Oct 10 02:28:25 2002 Location with respect to nearby cities: 40 miles (70 km) S of Manokwari, Irian Jaya, Indonesia (pop N/A) 190 miles (305 km) ESE of Sorong, Irian Jaya, Indonesia 780 miles (1260 km) NNE of Darwin, Australia 1900 miles (3060 km) E of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia

Hi Marcia and all You are talking about this EQ Marcia: 2002/10/10 12:28:25 1.48S 133.97E 10.0 6.7 A IRIAN JAYA REGION, INDONESIA But one and half hour before it, they had this terrible one: 2002/10/10 10:50:20 1.71S 134.16E 10.0 7.6 A IRIAN JAYA REGION, INDONESIA Now I see that Greece is in a difficult position. John

Earthquake jolts eastern Crete, no damage or injuries 12/10/2002 16:44:12 An earthquake measuring 5.2 on the Richter scale shook eastern Crete on Saturday. No injuries or damage were reported. The epicentre of the earthquake, which occurred at 08:55 hours, was located 410 kilometres south of Athens in southeastern Crete, the Geodynamic Institute of the Athens National Observatory said in a statement.

Poor Irian Jaya! They have had a very bad week. I suspect a volcanic eruption will follow as is usual in Indonesia. John, did you get media coverage about the 5.2 Crete earthquake? I can well imagine you did. We anticipated it thanks to your signals!

Another of your quakes? A magnitude 6.8 earthquake IN WESTERN BRAZIL has occurred at: 8.26S 71.53W Depth 536km Sat Oct 12 20:09:11 2002 UTC Time: Universal Time (UTC) Sat Oct 12 20:09:11 2002 Time Near Epicenter Sat Oct 12 17:09:11 2002 Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) Sat Oct 12 16:09:11 2002 Central Daylight Time (CDT) Sat Oct 12 15:09:11 2002 Mountain Daylight Time (MDT) Sat Oct 12 14:09:11 2002 Pacific Daylight Time (PDT) Sat Oct 12 13:09:11 2002 Alaska Daylight Time (ADT) Sat Oct 12 12:09:11 2002 Hawaii Standard Time (HST) Sat Oct 12 10:09:11 2002 Location with respect to nearby cities: 85 miles (140 km) ESE of Cruzeiro do Sul, Brazil (pop N/A) 205 miles (330 km) E of Pucallpa, Peru 280 miles (450 km) WNW of Rio Branco, Brazil 1670 miles (2700 km) WNW of BRASILIA, Brazil

Hi all, I present you now the following graph, which is result of analysis on my last 7 days recordings. It is also updated every day. You see on it the two components (East-West and North-South) of the total signal which has 24hour period. John

I am sorry. I have renamed this file. Here is the new graph that is focused in 12-hour period. I think that it is very interesting because it has the same shape with the tidal gravity curve. John

I noticed this also. That is a fantastic set of signals. I am certain you will learn much about the earth's dynamics from it. It will be fun to watch. My congratulations and warmest affection for your continued success in this!

Dear friends I have a Game shop at Ganimidi, Rhodos island Greece and I am semi amateur researcher also. My brother Teiresias is meta-psychologist and also is making holes to find water for business. I am a fun of Mr.John Tsatsaragos (Tsatsvol) I realy enjoy every day his predictions, especially the ones far from Greece. It is fantastic. Recently I try to develop another method to check the method of TsatsVol. Its origin is on telepathetic extension of noise which someone can listen over the holes. It is a new method. Very often I am going to tell you my results and compare with the ones of Tsatsa. My regards Aris

What is a Game shop? What do you sell?

I sell nice smals plastic dolls for tourists. These dolls are very funny and they are relative with the Ancient Greek Orgy. British men are the people who buy them more. We have problems with them, the young ones make noise and try to rape Greek girls when they are drunk. We are frightened and we keep closed the doors at night. Very often they are coming and beg for food. Accidently the Greek government of Mr.Simitis does not protect us. Recently, some other 'Brittons' were arrested in Kalamata as spies because they took pictures of Greek military airplanes. There were big labels there which say that 'DO NOT TAKE PICTURES'. Against of that, they did not respect the Greek law and they took the pictures. Accidently they arrested... And then Mr. Tony Blair, the British prime minister askesd the Greek government to release them. Spotters or not it does not matter. Can you imagine someone to do it in another country? We are not Iraq here, Greece is a member of Europe!! It is not a collony of Great Britain... Anyway, now these people who cannot understand what democracy is and also play strange games are free... After all Greece is small country with small scientists and small polticians. In UK, it is difficult for Greek scientists to access high rank scientific projects. Brittons apply one kind of racism againsy Greeks which is driven from a specific lobby, I think.

Dear Aris I think we should put a few things straight. This topic was created by Mr. John Tsatsaragos for the sole purpose of presenting and discussing the results of his research. We might be interested in hearing your opinion about John's research, but not your views about the social problems of Rhodes, global politics or your business endeavours. When you develop your own method you may set up your own pages to present it (and accept any criticism for it). Furthermore, I think that common decency demands that we address our host by his name as it is given clearly at the top of this topic (John Tsatsaragos, neither "TsatsVol" nor "Tsatsa"). For your information, there are quite a few top-ranking scientists of Greek origin in British universities and scientific organizations, who are widely respected by the British (not the kind of respect you have for your customers). Finally, if you really feel that "After all Greece is small country with small scientists and small polticians", why don't you leave for a bigger and better(?) place and leave us alone? Goodbye Aris!...

Hi again My answer was relative to a previous question about my shop. Mr.Tsatsaragos is my favorite scientist. I have a big respect for him. He is the leader of research in the field of earthquakes in Greece. He is the best. As Varotsos calls his method VAN, I call the method of Mr.Tsatsaragos TSATSA. What is bad on that? I have one question now to anybody who can answer. ---------------------------------------------------- The antenna which Mr.Tsatsaragos is using is a dipole with length 100 m. Do you know if the length of his antenna is appropriate to measure low frequency signals? I am afraid not. Aris Varemenos Ganimidi, Rhodos

Aloha and Welcome to Geo, Aris. I am delighted to see your posts and to learn of your interests and activities. You are in good company as an admirer of John Tsatsaragos's and his research.He is a worthy man of great interests with an ability to make even the most difficult things understandable to those of us who cannot understand advanced physics. How great it is to have three Greek gentleman in our midst. You honor Geo with your presence. Again, Welcome and Aloha.

John will answer your dipole question as soon as he has time. I have asked the same question and now forget the answer. Be patient. I really like your TSATSA. I wonder if he will. *;) I do believe he will.

Dear Marcia I am afraid that Mr.John Tsatsaragos can not answer a so difficult question. But I will surprized if he willl. Aris

He is a good man and will tell you if he cannot answer your questions. I have found him completely honest about that. And, surprisingly I have had all questions posed to him answered clearly. Perhaps my limited knowledge has made me ask simple questions. That is always a distinct possibility!

Dear Marcia definetely John is a very kind person but I believe that by using a resonant antena of this size he cannot measure so low frequency band correctly. But we can find the same mistake not only in TSATSA method but also in VAN method, in Thanasolas method (another pro scientist, ex helper of John). It is interested to observe that this specific mistake is made by many famous worldwide Japanese and American Geophysisists for a long time now. It is funny also that someone named Prof.Geller I think attacks to VAN method about its success relative to statistics. And he is right.But, the MAIN problem is not the statistics of succeess but the correct measurement!!! As you can understand worldwide have big mistake on that, which is written in their publications for many years now. So, it can be interested to listen the oppinion of Mr.Tsatsaragos about that. John is much more respectable person to me against some other people which they supposed to know as scientists to accept their mistakes against to be covered under some university position and pretend the scientist. Myself I do not permit to anyone to play the scientist but I am a very open minded and I like people like John who really love what they do and at least they believe it, they do not use it to win projects and extra money... but to help the society. Hey John where are you? My regards Aris Ganimidi (Research Institute) Rhodos, Hellas

Yes, John! Where are you? Now I worry since he has not emailed me in a long time and has not posted here, either. Aris, he will be delighted with your interest when he returns. You and George actually know what he is talking about. I am just running as fast as I can to try to keep up with his data. I do know he was in Athens for a while. However, this absence is totally new and a little disquieting. I will try to contact him.

Hi all I am sorry for my absence. I am alive but extremely busy. I will be back soon. I promise it. My research is continued even though with less time for it. John

Great that you're back, John. Looking forward to your predictions for future events.

Hi everybody I am happy John you are fine ... Where is George, the other expert to answer my questions? hihihi. Hey anybody home? Aris The Ganimidi Institute of Technology Rhodos, GR

Hi Terry, I was not completely absent from Geo. I was in the shadow� My graphs continue updated every day. Even with enough difficulty depending on my time. Here is the tidal variations graph for this December. John

Dear John this is the link of Prof.Geller at the Univ. of Tokyo. Prof.Geller is an authority in earthquakes. Please enjoy this link: http://incede.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp/Newsletter/5.4/5-4-4.htm Also, John as you probably know Mr.Varotsos is not the first who spoke about geoelectrical signals but many Chinese scientists many years before. So do not spread such things. I still wait your answer about the resonant antena ......... Bye Aris

Hey anybody home? Next time I will not ask questions... (:- John I still wait your answer about the resonant antenna. Aris 'Fisherman' Varemenos Institute of GaniMidi Ellas (IGME)

There is your most unworthy hostess here. I am amazed at how many Greeks bearing intellectual gifts who have suddenly appeared here. Please let John get his work other than seismic research finished before we becomediscouraged. I can imagine the famous classical Greeks getting bogged down with home cures and work family has put upon him. John is no different. I am wondering what Einstein did in such circumstances. *sigh* I guess we carry on using our talents as best we can and returning to research as soon as possible. In any case, Aloha and welcome to the follower of John and his oracle.

Hello Mr.Tsatsaragos congratulations. I find very interested your research on earthquakes. Please post your new predictions to GEO. Until now I believed that there is not any method to predict earthquakes. Very nice job. I hope one day you can visit Peru, which is my country. Can you predict big earthquakes to Peru? Kleopatra Doneri

Until now . . . Wow, that's pretty powerful.

John is an excellent physicist and has a natural gift for knowing what equipment to build to discover what he needs to know. We are privileged to have him at Geo. Very powerful information, when you consider lives can be saved!!!

Dear Marcia I understund that John is an excellent Physicist and maybe the Greek Union of Physicists will ask him soon to bring his diploma. But except of that I still wait to have an answer from him relative to resonant antena which I allready asked many many many times. I hope that Mr.John will come out soon from his shadow... But I do not expect, He just wants to listen ideas from other like Prrrr.Varotsos and then to say IT WAS MINE. Anyway, where I John? John, where are youuuuuuu? Aris

Aris, you mistake John's silence. Perhaps you have written to him personally and he has discovered why you are asking these questions. Aside from that, he is extrememly busy with personal matters. Since he is doing this research wihtout compensation ("for free") he has to work and take care of his family matters before Geo. In any case, I have knows John for more than a year and the man is honest to a fault. To imply otherwise would be an injustice. I an sorry he has not answered your question. There must be a good reason for his not doing so. I continue to be delighted that all new "worshippers" at the shrine of the Tsatsaragos Oracle have bothered to login at Geo and to post. Aloha!!!

Dear Marcia there is nothing personal. My question remains "is it correct or not to use resonant antenna to measure 0.1 MHz signals and why?" Let us be a bit serious and do not give answers all time about the ... weather. So, Mr.John must not change the direction of the conversation in personal matters. Mr.Tsatsaragos or Mr.Thanasoulas or 'George' or anybody else has to give a scientific answer or they must stop to make noise around. Can they give a scientific answer against to escape all time, yes or not? They cannot find some time (20 minutes) to write an answer here? It sounds out of sense. And Mr.Tsatsaragos is not Physicist ... but in Greece whatever anybody says is like a 'law'. This situation is explained if we accept that Greece is still a third world country without sensitivities. In other case some people like Varotsos and others should be in the jail... Aris Aris

Dear Marcia I have to retype, sorry for that The question is "what size a resonant antena must have to measure 0.1 Hz frequency?" Aris, the Lucifer

Hi Marcia and all, I present you the daily updated original recordings of my station. You can see the potential variation on the two dipoles as they are recorded. (Green and yellow lines). Red lines are the calculated resultant value. (After the removal of the offsets and calculations of the real values which are measured on each dipole). See carefully the red lines. The 24-hour oscillation is impressively visible at the lower end of the red lines. Important Notice: I have not applied any filter on my recordings. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you. John

Hi again, Is there a correlation between my signals and the EQ's around of my station? We can answer to this question using the SChtM factor. Its physical meaning is the approximately amount of the mechanical energy of an EQ, which arrive in my station area. It is a suggestion of Prof. Strachimir Cht. Mavrodiev. The math formula is: SChtM=EQ Magnitude/Distance^2 Where: -Magnitude is the magnitude of the EQ on the ML scale and -Distance is the Distance between the epicenter and my station, in meters. On the daily updated map of Greece below: -Red triangles are the epicenters of the occurred EQ's during the last 7 days. -The animated goniometer shows with red lines, the SChtM factor value and its azimuth direction. The length of these red lines is proportional to the value of the SChtM factor. Normally, we must expect to see the EQ, which has big SChtM factor in the parameters of my signals as is the amplitude and the azimuth direction. John

Hi Marcia, Thank you Marcia for your opinion about me. Of coarse I will not answer to personal attacks especially if they are coming from a man that uses different names here and in every other possible place. Unfortunately, bad and good are walking together in the life. I am so sorry for this bad situation in Geo. Merry Christmas John P.S. For those who wonder on what really I am, I suggest response 1 in this topic. It is the clear truth.

Dear John I kindly asked you one simple question and you answered about the ... weather. Could you answer please my question? Is it so difficult? We are not Zulu here? Aris

John, I am delighted you addressed the questions. Marcia's is a simple mind trying to make science friendly to the non-scientific and the young. Thank you for taking the questions. I am not qualified to do so. I just decorate the conference from time to time.

John, you have my devoted attention. I KNOW enough to know that you have the right research underway. My sympathies on your attacks. The last one I had was from a man who insisted all of the world's rocks were 6,000 years old. Merry Christmas All

John, I know enough to understand that YOU HAVE NO IDEA about what you measure. You can find the naswer to my question You and Thanasoulas in a High school Physics book. And the answer says that to measure correctly such a low frequency signal you need to use one antena with size, the size of the earth!!! Ofcourse with a resonant antena you cannot measure any frequency.... It is funny the way you give answers, by using your friends i.e. MarciaH. Nobody is attacking you. It is only in your virtual shadow world. Wake up John. Wake up. I still wait to have an answer from you. Can you give a straight answer on that against to answer about ... the weather!!! Merry Christmas All too! Aris

A note from your hostess in Geo: I have known John for a considerable amount of time. He is both honorable anda good scientiest. He never lies about his science. He searches for the truth in order to protect lives and to understand the dynamics of earthquakes. His detractors have never offered anything in place of his research. It is very easy to sit on the sidelines and take shots at someone willing to put their intellectual output online. Might I suggest constructive ideas rather than complaints?! Geo is a peaceful and happy place where love of science and the universe prevail.

Aris, what is really your problem? You are too angry to be refuting science. Please maintain decorum and address constructively the points you wish to make. Tirades will be deleted by this lady who has not tolerated them in the past and will not now. You are betraying your ignorance by attacking John. How many college degrees have you? In what? I think I might outrank you! Any further discussion will meet with my ultimate concern to keep this a welcoming Place NOT tolerating attacks on the character of the posters.

tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa- Dear Marcia I made one specific question to John because in my oppinion he has huge mistakes in his research. This is not attack! So, there is nothing personal against of him. It is just a scientific question. ================================ There is no attack. =================== I am afraid that in this forum you comfuse scientific questions with attacks. So, I kindly ask again one more time? ===================================== Can you measure using a resonant antena of length/2 equal to 50 m a frequency of electromagnetic wave equal to 0.1 Hz? The answer is no. Every scientist and a High school student knows that. For this reason I asked the oppinion of John about that. Is it bad? Marcia, it is not nice to attack me this way in order to cover the mistakes of John. Thanks for your hospitality Aris tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-

*Sigh* Earth sciences are as exciting as I need for life fulfillment. Thank you for responding again, Aris. Life is too short and science tootime consuming to waste it on disagreements. However, valid challenges to information are always thought provoking. That in itself is good. I believe the Greeks also discovered this a few thousand years ago. Predicting the weather is a whole different science. Good luck to anyone trying to do despite the satellite technology!

Another aside. John is not hiding. He is an equal host with me here in Geo. He has been invaluable and Geo would not be nearly as interesting without him. Post images if you have any. I'd be delighted to see where you live.

Dear Marcia I would like to post some pictures But I do not know how to do it. Any help? Aris

Email them to me at marci@aloha.net and I will FTP them to Geo's space on the Spring's hard drive. Then I will email you where they are and either you or I can post them. Are you familiar with html programing? There is a Greece topic on the travel conference. Might they be better suited for there? http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/travel/40

-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa- Dear Marci I was thinking to send some explanations about antenas using high-school mathematics and pictures. After that John (Mr.John) can make his comments. So, I will mail you a zip/html file with graphs (1 page totally). Let us enjoy Universe. Aris Varemenos Ganimidi, Rhodos -tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-

The Universe is amazing place. There is room enough for eternal contemplation of any intellect. It is even better to share. I will look forward to seeing your pictures and will make them available to you as soon as I can FTP them. Antennas are old friends of mine. When I was little ,I climbed trees to attach my father's antennas in them. Then I got to listen to the world.

Ok Mr Aris, You have exceeded every limit of the human decency! This is my last answer to you. You are completely wrong. 1. Have you heard music or anything else from a small portable receiver in the LW, MW, SW or FM bands? Do you use an antenna of half wavelength to do it? So, THE LENGTH OF THE ANTENNA DIMENSIONS IS NOT CRITICAL. 2. Wavelength = spread velocity/frequency (Physics) Can you think what will become the value of the wavelength if the spread velocity becomes extremely low? I must inform Geo members that your real target is to install a station similar to mine in Rhodos Island. You want to make money showing it to tourists. I can post here your personal e-mails to me. Once again my answer is NO. But better is you go away from Geo permanently. I suggest to our hostess to erase all of your responses here in two days, whatever name you use and independently of your answer. I apologize to all of the rest Geo members, because I am the reason for this bad situation. John

John it is not your fault. I am sorry I encouraged him. I am to blame as well. I fly back to Hilo on Sunday. Wish me well. I am frightened for the first time in my life.

Have a good and safe flying Marcia. Do not be afraid. Wishes of all Geo members are accompanying you. We will wait your good news from Hilo. Perhaps Madam Pele has a significant mission waiting for you there. John

Dear John At first take your pills. ========================== At second everybody knows that you have to change length of the antenna to get a bettter signal from a transmitter (earthquake). In other case it is posile to loose some signals and hence an earthquake. So, it is critical. I hope I exlained you your mistake and I am sorry that I can not teach you more. Marcy, I am sorry for John's level of defense. Aris Varemenos Ganimidi tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa -tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa -tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-

*SIGH* Gentlemen. In this season of good will, this is more than a little disheartening. Discussing wave lengths is a long and complicated one. I will remain out of it.

Dear John against all the attacks you made to me, as you are so close minded, prove the opposite by doing that. Meausure (use band pass filter) and make the analysis of your data (using FFT) in the area of frequnecy which corresponds the length of your antenna against the silly selection of 0.1Hz. Suppose �=1 and a mean value for �. Then I will be very happy to see your results. Your friend and teacher Aris tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa- tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa- tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa- tsatsa-tsatsa-tsatsa-

Have a HAPPY NEW YEAR JOHN, MARCIA and everybody Aris

Happy New Year Varemos.

Happy Holidays, Varemos and John and all others who will celebrate in Grecian style. Your heritage is rich and ancient. Enjoy!

Happy St. Basil's Day. (Sorry, if I'm late.)

Happy St John's Day

Happy St. John's Day John. I saw your last results and I found that you did some interested changes. I believe that you should use after a LowNoise amplifier/protection, one ADC to PC data logger with Sampling not lower than 4MS/s. Then inside the PC use a software band pass filter between 0.1 and 2MHz. Then show me the results. I am not happy to see results in the 24hours period at all. If you do that then both we can be very happy ... My regards Aris

Happy St. John's Day.

Hi all, Here is a complex daily updated graph that shows: Blue polar diagram: The mechanical energy that was arrived in my station area from each one occurred EQ during the last 6 + days. Light magenta polar diagram: My wide range ULF signals (direction and amplitude) for the previous day. Dark magenta polar diagram: My 24-hour period ULF signals (direction and amplitude) for the previous day. John

Here is the tidal gravity curve for March 2003: John

Hi all, Here is the STD curve of my wide range ULF Signals for the last 30 days: John

The increasing sophistication of your programming of graphics leaves me in awe. I look at them carefully and forget to note the data involved. I agree you will have a significant earthquake in Greece. Perhaps sooner than anticipated!

I miss John! I am worried about him!