Notable Ancestors of Springizens
Topic 8 · 27 responses · archived october 2000
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (20:39)
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Surely someone in the gene pool from which you rose had fame or infamy or even notoriety. Share them with us - you cannot be held responsible for the behavior of the people who preceded you into the world!
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (20:39)
#1
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (20:42)
#2
John Burnett's great-great-great grandfather:
John G. Burnett�s Story of the Removal of the Cherokees
Birthday Story of Private John G. Burnett, Captain Abraham McClellan�s Company, 2nd Regiment, 2nd Brigade, Mounted Infantry,
Cherokee Indian Removal, 1838-39.
Children:
This is my birthday, December 11, 1890, I am eighty years old today. I was born at Kings Iron Works in Sulllivan County,
Tennessee, December the 11th, 1810. I grew into manhood fishing in Beaver Creek and roaming through the forest
hunting the deer and the wild boar and the timber wolf. Often spending weeks at a time in the solitary wilderness with no
companions but my rifle, hunting knife, and a small hatchet that I carried in my belt in all of my wilderness wanderings.
On these long hunting trips I met and became acquainted with many of the Cherokee Indians, hunting with them by day
and sleeping around their camp fires by night. I learned to speak their language, and they taught me the arts of trailing
and building traps and snares. On one of my long hunts in the fall of 1829, I found a young Cherokee who had been shot
by a roving band of hunters and who had eluded his pursuers and concealed himself under a shelving rock. Weak from
loss of blood, the poor creature was unable to walk and almost famished for water. I carried him to a spring, bathed and
bandaged the bullet wound, and built a shelter out of bark peeled from a dead chestnut tree. I nursed and protected him
feeding him on chestnuts and toasted deer meat. When he was able to travel I accompanied him to the home of his
people and remained so long that I was given up for lost. By this time I had become an expert rifleman and fairly good
archer and a good trapper and spent most of my time in the forest in quest of game.
The removal of Cherokee Indians from their life long homes in the year of 1838 found me a young man in the prime of life
and a Private soldier in the American Army. Being acquainted with many of the Indians and able to fluently speak their
language, I was sent as interpreter into the Smoky Mountain Country in May, 1838, and witnessed the execution of the
most brutal order in the History of American Warfare. I saw the helpless Cherokees arrested and dragged from their
homes, and driven at the bayonet point into the stockades. And in the chill of a drizzling rain on an October morning I saw
them loaded like cattle or sheep into six hundred and forty-five wagons and started toward the west.
One can never forget the sadness and solemnity of that morning. Chief John Ross led in prayer and when the bugle
sounded and the wagons started rolling many of the children rose to their feet and waved their little hands good-by to
their mountain homes, knowing they were leaving them forever. Many of these helpless people did not have blankets and
many of them had been driven from home barefooted.
On the morning of November the 17th we encountered a terrific sleet and snow storm with freezing temperatures and
from that day until we reached the end of the fateful journey on March the 26th, 1839, the sufferings of the Cherokees
were awful. The trail of the exiles was a trail of death. They had to sleep in the wagons and on the ground without fire. And
I have known as many as twenty-two of them to die in one night of pneumonia due to ill treatment, cold, and exposure.
Among this number was the beautiful Christian wife of Chief John Ross. This noble hearted woman died a martyr to
childhood, giving her only blanket for the protection of a sick child. She rode thinly clad through a blinding sleet and snow
storm, developed pneumonia and died in the still hours of a bleak winter night, with her head resting on Lieutenant
Greggs saddle blanket.
I made the long journey to the west with the Cherokees and did all that a Private soldier could do to alleviate their
sufferings. When on guard duty at night I have many times walked my beat in my blouse in order that some sick child
might have the warmth of my overcoat. I was on guard duty the night Mrs. Ross died. When relieved at midnight I did not
retire, but remained around the wagon out of sympathy for Chief Ross, and at daylight was detailed by Captain McClellan
to assist in the burial like the other unfortunates who died on the way. Her unconfined body was buried in a shallow grave
by the roadside far from her native home, and the sorrowing Cavalcade moved on.
Being a young man, I mingled freely with the young women and girls. I have spent many pleasant hours with them when I
was supposed to be under my blanket, and they have many times sung their mountain songs for me, this being all that
they could do to repay my kindness. And with all my association with Indian girls from October 1829 to March 26th 1839,
I did not meet one who was a moral prostitute. They are kind and tender hearted and many of them are beautiful.
The only trouble that I had with anybody on the entire journey to the west was a brutal teamster by the name of Ben
McDonal, who was using his whip on an old feeble Cherokee to hasten him into the wagon. The sight of that old and
nearly blind creature quivering under the lashes of a bull whip was too much for me. I attempted to stop McDonal and it
ended in a personal encounter. He lashed me across the face, the wire tip on his whip cutting a bad gash in my cheek.
The little hatchet that I had carried in my hunting days was in my belt and McDonal was carried unconscious from the
scene.
I was placed under guard but Ensign Henry Bullock and Private Elkanah Millard had both witnessed the encounter. They
gave Captain McClellan the facts and I was never brought to trial. Years later I met 2nd Lieutenant Riley and Ensign
Bullock at Bristol at John Roberson�s show, and Bullock jokingly reminded me that there was a case still pending against
me before a court martial and wanted to know how much longer I was going to have the trial put off?
McDonal finally recovered, and in the year 1851, was running a boat out of Memphis, Tennessee.
The long painful journey to the west ended March 26th, 1839, with four-thousand silent graves reaching from the foothills
of the Smoky Mountains to what is known as Indian territory in the West. And covetousness on the part of the white race
was the cause of all that the Cherokees had to suffer. Ever since Ferdinand DeSoto made his journey through the Indian
country in the year 1540, there had been a tradition of a rich gold mine somewhere in the Smoky Mountain Country, and I
think the tradition was true. At a festival at Echota on Christmas night 1829, I danced and played with Indian girls who
were wearing ornaments around their neck that looked like gold.
In the year 1828, a little Indian boy living on Ward creek had sold a gold nugget to a white trader, and that nugget sealed
the doom of the Cherokees. In a short time the country was overrun with armed brigands claiming to be government
agents, who paid no attention to the rights of the Indians who were the legal possessors of the country. Crimes were
committed that were a disgrace to civilization. Men were shot in cold blood, lands were confiscated. Homes were burned
and the inhabitants driven out by the gold-hungry brigands.
Chief Junaluska was personally acquainted with President Andrew Jackson. Junaluska had taken 500 of the flower of his
Cherokee scouts and helped Jackson to win the battle of the Horse Shoe, leaving 33 of them dead on the field. And in
that battle Junaluska had drove his tomahawk through the skull of a Creek warrior, when the Creek had Jackson at his
mercy.
Chief John Ross sent Junaluska as an envoy to plead with President Jackson for protection for his people, but Jackson�s
manner was cold and indifferent toward the rugged son of the forest who had saved his life. He met Junaluska, heard his
plea but curtly said, "Sir, your audience is ended. There is nothing I can do for you." The doom of the Cherokee was
sealed. Washington, D.C., had decreed that they must be driven West and their lands given to the white man, and in May
1838, an army of 4000 regulars, and 3000 volunteer soldiers under command of General Winfield Scott, marched into
the Indian country and wrote the blackest chapter on the pages of American history.
Men working in the fields were arrested and driven to the stockades. Women were dragged from their homes by soldiers
whose language they could not understand. Children were often separated from their parents and driven into the
stockades with the sky for a blanket and the earth for a pillow. And often the old and infirm were prodded with bayonets
to hasten them to the stockades.
In one home death had come during the night. A little sad-faced child had died and was lying on a bear skin couch and
some women were preparing the little body for burial. All were arrested and driven out leaving the child in the cabin. I
don�t know who buried the body.
In another home was a frail mother, apparently a widow and three small children, one just a baby. When told that she
must go, the mother gathered the children at her feet, prayed a humble prayer in her native tongue, patted the old family
dog on the head, told the faithful creature good-by, with a baby strapped on her back and leading a child with each hand
started on her exile. But the task was too great for that frail mother. A stroke of heart failure relieved her sufferings. She
sunk and died with her baby on her back, and her other two children clinging to her hands.
Chief Junaluska who had saved President Jackson�s life at the battle of Horse Shoe witnessed this scene, the tears
gushing down his cheeks and lifting his cap he turned his face toward the heavens and said, "Oh my God, if I had known
at the battle of the Horse Shoe what I know now, American history would have been differently written."
At this time, 1890, we are too near the removal of the Cherokees for our young people to fully understand the enormity of
the crime that was committed against a helpless race. Truth is, the facts are being concealed from the young people of
today. School children of today do not know that we are living on lands that were taken from a helpless race at the
bayonet point to satisfy the white man�s greed.
Future generations will read and condemn the act and I do hope posterity will remember that private soldiers like myself,
and like the four Cherokees who were forced by General Scott to shoot an Indian Chief and his children, had to execute
the orders of our superiors. We had no choice in the matter.
Twenty-five years after the removal it was my privilege to meet a large company of the Cherokees in uniform of the
Confederate Army under command of Colonel Thomas. They were encamped at Zollicoffer and I went to see them. Most
of them were just boys at the time of the removal but they instantly recognized me as "the soldier that was good to us".
Being able to talk to them in their native language I had an enjoyable day with them. From them I learned that Chief John
Ross was still ruler in the nation in 1863. And I wonder if he is still living? He was a noble-hearted fellow and suffered a lot
for his race.
At one time, he was arrested and thrown into a dirty jail in an effort to break his spirit, but he remained true to his people
and led them in prayer when they started on their exile. And his Christian wife sacrificed her life for a little girl who had
pneumonia. The Anglo-Saxon race would build a towering monument to perpetuate her noble act in giving her only
blanket for comfort of a sick child. Incidentally the child recovered, but Mrs. Ross is sleeping in a unmarked grave far
from her native Smoky Mountain home.
When Scott invaded the Indian country some of the Cherokees fled to caves and dens in the mountains and were never
captured and they are there today. I have long intended going there and trying to find them but I have put off going from
year to year and now I am too feeble to ride that far. The fleeing years have come and gone and old age has overtaken
me. I can truthfully say that neither my rifle nor my knife were stained with Cherokee blood.
I can truthfully say that I did my best for them when they certainly did need a friend. Twenty-five years after the removal I
still lived in their memory as "the soldier that was good to us".
However, murder is murder whether committed by the villain skulking in the dark or by uniformed men stepping to the
strains of martial music.
Murder is murder, and somebody must answer. Somebody must explain the streams of blood that flowed in the Indian
country in the summer of 1838. Somebody must explain the 4000 silent graves that mark the trail of the Cherokees to
their exile. I wish I could forget it all, but the picture of 645 wagons lumbering over the frozen ground with their cargo of
suffering humanity still lingers in my memory.
Let the historian of a future day tell the sad story with its sighs, its tears and dying groans. Let the great Judge of all the
earth weigh our actions and reward us according to our work.
Children - Thus ends my promised birthday story. This December the 11th 1890.
http://www.powersource.com/cherokee/burnett.html
http://www.chota.com/cherokee/trail.html
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (21:04)
#3
My furthest-removed to whom I can trace actual geneology is John Hemming, Shakespeare's publisher. In Shakespeare's will there is provision for having a gold ring made for him in remembrance.
My absolutely furthest-removed ancestor was King Hemming of Denmark, who is listed in the 1910 edition of the Encyclopaehia Britannica as having come to an agreement with Charelmagne not to expand into Scandanavia.
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (21:08)
#4
The probability I am related to that king is about the same as my chances of assuming the throne of England - Nil! Anyone who was a follower of his adapted the name when they did their pillaging and other incursions into the British Isles - so I am English with Danish blood utimately - but of the quite ordianry sort!
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (21:24)
#5
Uniform spelling of names or words of any sort, for that matter, did not arise till much after Shakespeare's time. Will used at least 7 known spellings of his last name and John did as well. Mine has evolved into what you see now.
http://web.uvic.ca/shakespeare/Library/SLTnoframes/stage/chamberlainsmen.html#heminge
John Heminge
Heminge was the business manager for the company. There is a tradition that he created the part of Falstaff. Together with Henry Condell, he prepared the important First Folio of Shakespeare's works (1623).
Provisions of the will:
Shakespeare left the bulk of his estate to his eldest daughter, Susanna, including his real estate holdings in Stratford and
London. The will was amended in respect to his younger daughter Judith's* inheritance, possibly because of her recent
marriage. He left her �300 and a silver gilt bowl.
Shakespeare also provided for his granddaughter, Elizabeth Hall, and his sister, Joan, and her sons. He donated 10
pounds to the poor of Stratford, a generous sum in those days.
To his fellows, John Heminge, Richard Burbage and Henry Condell, he left 28 shillings and 6 pence to buy memorial rings.
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (22:48)
#6
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (22:51)
#7
This man was my father's second cousin once removed (a generation older than my father.)
He was one hunk of a man. At the height of his popularity, he was dubbed by his studio the "King of Photo-Play." The
attendance of his movies by appreciative fans seconded the motion. They were responding to the charisma of Francis
X. Bushman (1883-1966), truly the screen's first matinee idol. While the term may seem superficial, he represented the
type when it meant something. His physical features were well suited for his first love, the stage. He possessed a classic
profile like John Barrymore. Yet, unlike Barrymore, Bushman treated his strapping, muscular body like a temple, and
women understandably swooned. It wasn't just about looks. Bushman was an actor of range and depth who had deep
reverence for his profession. When stage work became scarce, Bushman saw the future of film was lucrative enough for
his tastes. He entered films in 1911, becoming an instant asset for Bronco Billy Anderson's Essanay Studio. It was at
this company that Bushman would become the biggest star that the movies had yet produced. Bushman packed them in
playing princes, paupers, lovers, and athletes. However, his career was all but over by 1918. Why?
Bushman had everything going for him. He had moved up the ladder of success in an almost meteoric fashion. He
radiated a super confidence that saturated his personality and impressed those around him. The young and successful
stage star married 18-year-old seamstress Josephine Fladume in 1902. By 1909, they had five children (two who later
joined the acting profession - Francis Jr., a.k.a. Ralph Bushman, 1903-1978, and Lenore Bushman, b. 1909). Bushman
of "Bushmanor" was a man of intellect and refinement, a model husband, dedicated churchgoer, patriot and social
leader who commanded genuine respect. His fall from grace was falling in love with another woman.
She happened to be Beverly Bayne (1892-1982), his leading lady. They had met in 1912, made a number of pictures
together (their first film was A Good Catch (Essanay, 1912)) and were considered the screen's first red-hot romantic
teaming. Bushman guided their joint career, deciding what vehicles were bet suited for the couple. One of their biggest
hits was Romeo and Juliet (Essanay, 1916), which was even more successful than Fox's version with Theda Bara
released that same year. Their relationship culminated in marriage in the summer of 1918, a mere three days after his
divorce was finalized. For a man of such sterling character, this event was nothing less than scandalous.
Bushman married his leading lady, but created a moral dilemma in the process. Neither the public nor the industry could
accept it. The couple was washed-up in pictures. As a result, they went on the vaudeville circuit and performed comedic
sketches. They would attempt to come back to movies in the early 1920s under their own production banner of
"Bushman Pictures." By 1925, the marriage that had rocked Hollywood was over. Ironically, the split occurred at the
beginning of Francis X. Bushman's comeback. Securing a job through the Goldwyn merger at the newly-formed, yet
already prestigious M-G-M Studio, he was given the meaty role of "Messala" in the epic Ben-Hur (1925) (44k jpeg) - a
part he almost turned down. Full of reluctance, he went to see his friend William S. Hart, who had established the role on
the stage:
"Bill, do you think I ought to play this filthy Roman?"
"Frank, that's the best goddamned part in the picture."
Bushman accepted the part and almost stole the show. The years had not diminished his physical magnificence or his
larger-than-life appeal. However, the long weeks of separation on location in Italy took their toll on the shaky marriage,
and the couple divorced before the film's release.
It had been proven what studio mogul Louis B. Mayer gave with one hand, he could take away with the other. Bushman
found himself blacklisted at the end of production of Ben-Hur (this meant no publicity for his prominent role as Messala
nor any more films for M-G-M). The story goes that the boss wanted to visit the actor in his dressing room and was Mayer
given the message that he was not to disturb Bushman's concentration. Not a wise move for the self-absorbed thespian.
He had grievously offended the powerful potentate who bowed to no one. Mayer's subsequent actions hurt Bushman's
career (the actor admitted as much), but it did not sink him. He would survive this setback and continue for many
decades appearing in sound films, radio and television.
Francis X. Bushman: A Biography and Filmography is a complete homage to a one-of-a-kind performer who created
the model for the modern leading man. The authors secured the kind cooperation of Virginia Bushman Conway Stuart,
the third child from Bushman's first marriage (and wife of director Jack Conway, m. 1926). She provided lively
commentary about her father which makes the book even more authentic in its narrative. Thanks to this actor's legacy,
the advent of the matinee idol will forever symbolize a more stylish era when silent movies reigned supreme and Francis
X. Bushman ruled as the "King of Photo-Play."
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (22:56)
#8
And, if you have read all of this sordid little story you should be told that Virginia Conway is the mother of Tim Conway, thus I am related to him, as well.
The above story was from
http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/FeaturedBook/book47.htm
~MarciaH
Tue, May 16, 2000 (23:55)
#9
Lance's illustrious ancestor:
Lord Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell
The name of Baden-Powell is known and respected throughout the world as that of a man who in his 83 years led two
separate and complete lives, one as a soldier fighting for his country, and the other as a worker for peace through the
brotherhood of the Scout Movement.
Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell, known as B-P, was born at 6 Stanhope Street (now 11, Stanhope Terrace)
Paddington, London on 22nd February 1857. He was the sixth son and the eighth of ten children of the Reverend
Baden Powell, a Professor at Oxford University. The names Robert Stephenson were those of his Godfather, the son
of George Stephenson the railway pioneer.
His father died when B-P was only three years old and the family were left none too well off. B-P was given his first
lessons by his mother and later attended Rose Hill School, Tunbridge Wells, where he gained a scholarship for
admittance to Charterhouse School. Charterhouse School was in London when B-P first attended but whilst he was
there it moved to Godalming in Surrey, a factor which had great influence later in his life.
He was always eager to learn new skills. He played the piano and the violin. He acted - and acted the clown too at
times. While at Charterhouse he began to exploit his interest in the arts of scouting and woodcraft.
In the woods around the school B-P would hide from his masters as well as catch and cook rabbits, being careful not
to let tell-tale smoke give his position away. The holidays were not wasted either. With his brothers he was always in
search of adventure. One holiday they made a yachting expedition round the south coast of England. On another they
traced the Thames to its source by canoe. In all this Baden-Powell was learning the arts and crafts which were to
prove so useful to him professionally.
B-P was certainly not known for his high marks at school, as his end-of-term reports revealed. One records
"mathematics - has to all intents given up the study", and another "French - could do well but has become lazy, often
sleeps in school".
Nevertheless he took an examination for the Army and placed second among several hundred applicants. He was
commissioned straight into the 13th Hussars, bypassing the officer training establishments. Later he became their
Honorary Colonel.
Military Life
In 1876 he went to India as a young army officer and specialized in scouting, map-making and reconnaissance. His
success soon led to his training other soldiers for the work. B-P's methods were unorthodox for those days; small
units or patrols working together under one leader, with special recognition for those who did well. For proficiency,
B-P awarded his trainees badges resembling the traditional design of the north compass point. Today's universal
Scout badge is very similar.
Later he was stationed in the Balkans, South Africa and Malta. He returned to Africa to help defend Mafeking during
its 217-day siege at the start of the Boer war. It provided crucial tests for B-P's scouting skills. The courage and
resourcefulness shown by the boys in the corps of messengers at Mafeking made a lasting impression on him. In
turn, his deeds made a lasting impression in England.
Returning home in 1903 he found that he had become a national hero. He also found that the small handbook he had
written for soldiers ("Aids to Scouting") was being used by youth leaders and teachers all over the country to teach
observation and woodcraft.
He spoke at meetings and rallies and whilst at a Boys' Brigade gathering he was asked by its Founder, Sir William
Smith, to work out a scheme for giving greater variety in the training of boys in good citizenship.
Beginnings of the Movement
B-P set to work rewriting "Aids to Scouting", this time for a younger readership. In 1907 he held an experimental
camp on Brownsea Island, Poole, Dorset, to try out his ideas. He brought together 22 boys, some from private
schools and some from working class homes, and put them into camp under his leadership. The whole world now
knows the results of that camp.
"Scouting for Boys" was published in 1908 in six fortnightly parts. Sales of the book were tremendous. Boys formed
themselves into Scout Patrols to try out ideas. What had been intended as a training aid for existing organizations
became the handbook of a new and ultimately worldwide Movement. B-P's great understanding of boys obviously
touched something fundamental in the youth of England and worldwide.
"Scouting for Boys" has since been translated into more than 35 languages.
Without fuss, without ceremony and completely spontaneously boys began to form Scout Troops all over the country.
In September 1908 Baden-Powell had set up an office to deal with the large number of enquiries which were pouring
in.
Scouting spread quickly throughout the British Empire and to other countries until it was established in practically all
parts of the world. It was abolished later in countries which became totalitarian (Scouting is essentially democratic
and voluntary).
He retired from the army in 1910, at the age of 53, on the advice of King Edward VII who suggested that he could
now do more valuable service for his country within the Scout Movement.
So all his enthusiasm and energy were now directed to the development of Boy Scouting and Girl Guiding. (Girl
Guiding had started in 1909 when girls attended the first Scout rally at Crystal Palace in London and asked B-P how
they could become Scouts.) He travelled to all parts of the world, wherever he was most needed, to encourage
growth and give the inspiration that he alone could give.
In 1912 he married Olave Soames who was his constant help and companion in all this work. They had three children
(Peter, Heather and Betty). Olave Lady Baden-Powell was later known as World Chief Guide.
Chief Scout of the World
The first international Scout Jamboree took place at Olympia, London in 1920. At its closing scene B-P was
unanimously acclaimed as Chief Scout of the World.
Successive International gatherings, whether of Scouts or of leaders proved that this was not an honorary title, but
that he was truly regarded by them all as their Chief. The shouts that heralded his arrival, and the silence that fell when
he raised his hand, proved beyond any doubt that he had captured the hearts and imaginations of his followers in
whatever country they lived.
At the third World Jamboree, held in Arrowe Park, Birkenhead, England, the Prince of Wales announced that B-P
would be given Peerage by H.M. the King. The news was received with great rejoicing. B-P took the title of Lord
Baden-Powell of Gilwell. Gilwell Park was the international training Centre he had created for Scout leaders.
Scouting was not B-P's only interest. He enjoyed acting, fishing, playing polo and big game hunting. He was a very
good artist, working in pencil and water-colours. He also had an interest in sculpting and making home movies.
B-P wrote no fewer than 32 books. He received honorary degrees from at least six Universities. In addition, 28
foreign orders and decorations and 19 foreign Scout awards were bestowed upon him.
In 1938, suffering from ill-health, B-P returned to Africa, which had meant so much in his life, to live in semi-retirement
at Nyeri, Kenya. Even there he found it difficult to curb his energies, and he continued to produce books and
sketches.
On January 8th, 1941, at 83 years of age, B-P died. He was buried in a simple grave at Nyeri within sight of Mount
Kenya. On his head-stone are the words "Robert Baden-Powell, Chief Scout of the World" surmounted by the Boy
Scout and Girl Guide Badges. Lady Olave Baden-Powell carried on his work, promoting Scouting and Girl Guiding
around the world until her death in 1977. She is buried alongside Lord Baden-Powell at Nyeri.
http://www.scout.org/wso/facts/bp.html#chief
~MarciaH
Wed, May 17, 2000 (00:04)
#10
I met Lord Baden-Powell on Cromwell Road in London where a spectacular statue is situated. In bronze he is energetically lunging forward much as he did in life. Handsome and vital, he must have been a singular individual! His lineal descendant is not bad, either!
~lance8
Fri, May 19, 2000 (00:41)
#11
Thanks for the kind words about my umpteenth removed cousin, Marcia.
~MarciaH
Fri, May 19, 2000 (00:53)
#12
Delighed to have the chance. I am still hunting down King Hemming. Anyone out there with a scanner and a 1910 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica? I shall hunt him down in the internet...*sigh*
~wolf
Sun, Jun 18, 2000 (15:55)
#13
ok, some of my mother's german relatives moved to the states. one older cousin (ann hamilton) of hers told us that we are related to besty ross and two dudes who signed the declaration of independence. her husband was a professor in pennsylvania and has a library named for him. oh, and some guy on dad's side was a country singer (don't ask me who, dunno).
how do you go about finding out who you're related to if a lot of the folks you'd get this info from are dead?
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 18, 2000 (16:46)
#14
Ah....see? That's the beauty of this place. The dead ones cannot refute your claims! Thanks for posting this. Btw, we all have less than notable relatives who lead interesting lives. Like John's ancestor who lead off this topic. Let's hear about those ordinary lived made extraordiany by being witnesses to history. I wonder if David will ever find me an interesting ancestor *grin*
Oh, and you can brag about your children in here, as well.
~wolf
Sat, Jul 15, 2000 (22:01)
#15
the future ancestors!
~MarciaH
Sat, Jul 15, 2000 (23:40)
#16
Precisely. Since we are not talking about the predecessors, perhaps we could write about our successors. I like that idea and this is as good a place to do it as any.
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 22, 2001 (19:25)
#17
My procedant (is that a word?)has found someone who has agreed to marry him despite my collection of genes spoken of above. There are even more of which I will write presently. Somehow I cannot see myself as a grandmother. Of course, they are being old-fashioned and getting married first.
~ebesch
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (10:39)
#18
In responce 3 of 17: Marcia (Tue, May 16, 2000 (20:04) * 3 lines) wrote:
"My furthest-removed to whom I can trace actual genealogy is John Hemming, Shakespeare's publisher. In Shakespeare's will there is provision for having a gold ring made for him in remembrance."
I am doing genealogy research on the Hemming Family. So far my oldest identified descendant is Samuel Hemming, born 1686, who was married to Salinah Duke. Do you have any records of these people? Could you suggest how I can find John Hemming's known descendants? Thank you.
E Besch ebech1@msn.com
~terry
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (15:40)
#19
Some of my ancestors were on the Titantic, the three Frauenthals who made it to the lifeboats. They're on the passenger list which is many places on the web.
~MarciaH
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (18:09)
#20
I know a prominent Hall family in Hilo whose most notable ancestors were also on the Titanic. They went down with the ship.
I simply must write about Michael Everly, my ancestor from the American Revolution. My cousin has the website. As soon as I catch up with Geo...
~MarciaH
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (18:59)
#21
I probably quailfy. I AM a Hemming. I can give you much data but the Hemming family to which I belong came to the US in the early 1900's. I'd love to know if you are related..!
~terry
Sun, Jan 23, 2005 (08:44)
#22
Anyone else with notable ancestors?
~MarciaH
Sun, Oct 2, 2005 (18:05)
#23
Do you know, I have gotten inquiries about both John Hemming (the way WE spell it) and Michael Everly !! People out there are really reading it. I have a possible distant relative's email awaiting answering. It is funny to trade family tales about very distant ancestors !!
Do you know, one of the most noble and kind people I know came from dirt farmers who made America great in the first place. This site is just an exercise in history having nothing whatsoever to do with what you are today. Please keep that in mind. How about other-than-American readers? I'd love to hear of famous or just notorious relatives. I just got rid of one related to Honus Wagner.
~terry
Wed, Oct 5, 2005 (01:06)
#24
Barney Frauenthal.
http://barneyfrauenthal.com
~MarciaH
Thu, Oct 6, 2005 (19:02)
#25
Thank you Terry! How terrifically interesting. I'd love to spend a long winter night listening to that gentleman's reminiscences. Thanks for adding him.
~terry
Sat, Oct 8, 2005 (00:02)
#26
It's cool that, well, I'll just run the quote:
Mr. Frauenthal's entire business career has been identified with railroad service and his activities have been of a most constructive and important character. His original method of organizing the bureau of information won for him a national reputation, and his advance from that position has been steady on account of his capable and quick grasp of his duties.
~MarciaH
Sat, Oct 8, 2005 (02:14)
#27
Good man ! I love biographies.