Hilary, I agree Let us not forget that LR wanted AE to marry Mr. Elliot. What a disaster that would have been.

Hilary, I don't think it matters to the interpretation of Lady R., but I couldn't tell from the curtain scene whether Lady R. had seen Captain W. or not. I thought that Anne's disdain refered to Lady R if she did see him, OR to herself if Lady R. didn't (laughing at herself a bit for thinking that everyone would find Wentworth impossible to miss). Jane P.S. I love the thoughtful threads you have been starting and fostering lately.

I archived the other Persuasion thread. Here are the recent messages from it: Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 119 of 128: Cheryl Sneed (Cheryl) * Thu, Feb 27, 1997 (02:08) * 4 lines Serena: Was there an earlier adaptation to the 1995 Amanda Root's Persuasion? The BBC did a version of it in the 70's. We had a Virtual View of it earlier this year, the topic should still be up if you care to read our reviews. The consensus is that it was pretty bad...stick with amanda Root and Cairan Hinds! ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 120 of 128: Kali Pappas (Kali) * Sat, Mar 15, 1997 (21:46) * 1 lines A family friend purchased the 1995 version, hated it, and so gave it to me without hesitation...can you imagine? What generosity! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 121 of 128: Ann (Ann) * Sat, Mar 15, 1997 (21:49) * 3 lines I hate the description on the back of the box: "A young couple's stormy romance scandalizes English society in this acclaimed adaptation..." No it doesn't! Society barely pays any attention at all. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 122 of 128: Kali Pappas (Kali) * Sat, Mar 15, 1997 (22:18) * 1 lines How about "flirtatious fun"? I didn't catch that... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 123 of 128: Susan (Susan) * Sat, Mar 15, 1997 (23:06) * 1 lines kali, you are lucky indeed! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 124 of 128: Katy Kendall (kendall) * Sun, Mar 16, 1997 (02:34) * 1 lines I have this 1965 paperback edition of Persuasion with a gothic horror front cover and quotes on the back cover from Henry's teasing tale of terror to Catherine as they drive to the abby. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 125 of 128: Amy (Amy) * Sun, Mar 16, 1997 (03:59) * 1 lines I think Henry has that NA cover scanned in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 126 of 128: Ann (Ann) * Sun, Mar 16, 1997 (16:39) * 1 lines Persuasion a gothic tale of horror? I suppose it is all in how you look at it ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 127 of 128: The MYsterious H.C. (churchh) * Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (06:45) * 0 lines ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Topic 121 of 237 [austen]: Persuasion Response 128 of 128: The Mysterious H.C. (churchh) * Tue, Mar 18, 1997 (06:47) * 3 lines Katy, is this it? -- http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/nhabgoth.jpg http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/nhabgoth.html

Johanne, I agree with you about LR. She really did think she was doing what was best for Ann, both in advising Ann not to marry Wentworth, and later in advising her to marry Mr. Eliot. Remember, she feels herself as trying to take the place of Ann's mother in these matters, and tries to do what she thinks Ann's mom would have done. Look who Ann's mother married...Couldn't it be that there is a bit of a generation gap here, and LR believes that a good marriage does not necessarily include love, but for nn, Love is what would make it a good marriage. Isn't this true of almost all JA's heroines? Fanny would be making a good match in Henry, as far as society was concerned, and so would Lizzy, had she accepted Darcy before she loved him.

Or Collins for that matter! Yes.

Perhaps Lady Russel has stepped into a mother's shoes without the necessary experience of being the true mother of Anne. She is anxious (in a quick-fix type of way) that Anne should be taken cared of and for life, by marrying well and so the early Wentworth is not suitable in terms of financial security. LR only wanted Anne to be marriaed into the lifestyle she was accustomed to. That cannot be too evil an intention, can it??

An interesting point Serena. It rather puts LR into a different perspective.