~amy2
Fri, Jul 25, 1997 (00:34)
seed
This topic was inevitable, wasn't it?
Here's my favorite Bronte passage, from JANE EYRE, Jane speaking to Rochester:
"Do you think, because I am poor, obscure, plain, and little, I am soulless and heartless?
You think wrong!- I have as much soul as you,- and full as much heart! And if
God had gifted me with some beauty and much wealth, I should have made
it as hard for you to leave me, as it is now for me to leave you. I am
not talking to you now through the medium of custom, conventionalities,
nor even of mortal flesh;- it is my spirit that addresses your spirit; just as if both had passed through the grave, and we stood at God's feet, equal,- as we are!"
~Susan
Sat, Aug 23, 1997 (09:44)
#1
Amy, I cannot believe no one else has posted here yet! I really love the lines you posted above, and the whole garden scene. My absolute favorite is:
'...I sometimes have a queer feeling with regard
to you- especially when you are near me, as now: it is as if I had a
string somewhere under my left ribs, tightly and inextricably
knotted to a similar string situated in the corresponding quarter of
your little frame. And if that boisterous Channel and two hundred
miles or so of land come broad between us, I am afraid that cord of
communion will be snapt; and then I've a nervous notion I should
take to bleeding inwardly.
My second favorite is:
'Thank you, Mr. Rochester, for your great kindness. I am
strangely glad to get back again to you: and wherever you are is my
home- my only home.' (emphasis mine)
But I could go on forever! The quality of CB's writing is such that there can be no end of excellent quotes. What a book...
~EmKnightly
Sat, Aug 23, 1997 (12:38)
#2
Its a long passage, but it is my favorite:
'Never,' said he, as he ground his teeth, 'never was anything at
once so frail and so indomitable. A mere reed she feels in my hand!'
(And he shook me with the force of his hold.) 'I could bend her with
my finger and thumb: and what good would it do if I bent, if I uptore,
if I crushed her? Consider that eye: consider the resolute, wild, free
thing looking out of it, defying me, with more than courage- with a
stern triumph. Whatever I do with its cage, I cannot get at it- the
savage, beautiful creature! If I tear, if I rend the slight prison, my
outrage will only let the captive loose. Conqueror I might be of the
house; but the inmate would escape to heaven before I could call
myself possessor of its clay dwelling-place. And it is you, spirit-
with will and energy, and virtue and purity- that I want: not alone
your brittle frame. Of yourself you could come with soft flight and
nestle against my heart, if you would: seized against your will, you
will elude the grasp like an essence- you will vanish ere I inhale
your fragrance. Oh! come, Jane, come!'
~Susan
Sat, Aug 23, 1997 (13:44)
#3
seized against your will, you will elude the grasp like an essence- you will vanish ere I inhale your fragrance.
And is this perhaps why he did not pursue her when she left?
Beautiful, Lori -- as I said, there are far too many!
~amy2
Sat, Aug 23, 1997 (17:11)
#4
Yes, JANE EYRE has so much incredible poetry throughout! It's such a different book that what we're used to reading in Austen. Charlotte just lays her feelings & passion out on the table. I was reading a book yesterday that says that JE owes quite a bit to PILGRIM'S PROGRESS -- that during each stage of Jane's journey, she learns a bit more about herself, until at the end, she is ready to serve as Rochester's true equal.
~Rochelle
Thu, Aug 28, 1997 (02:29)
#5
"There was a time when my cheek burned
to give such scornful fiends the lie
Ungoverned nature madly spurned
The law that bade it not defy
O in the days of ardent youth
I would have given my life for truth
For truth, for right, for liberty
I would have gladly, freely died
And now I calmly hear and see
The vain man smile the fool deride
Though no because my heart is tame
Though not for fear though not for shame
My soul still chafes at every tone
Of selfish and self-blinded error
My breast still braves the world alone
Steeled as it ever was to terror
Only I know however I frown
The same world will go rolling on
(EJB, 1839)
Oh - can I put the whole of WH in its entirety here?
~amy2
Thu, Aug 28, 1997 (11:39)
#6
You don't have to!
You can find the entire book on-line at:
gopher://ftp.std.com:70/00/obi/book/Emily.Bronte/wuther.html.Z
And the whole novel of JE at:
http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Topic/WomensStudies/ReadingRoom/Fiction/JaneEyre/
Is that great, or what?
~amy2
Tue, Sep 2, 1997 (21:02)
#7
Here's another great line from JE, about Rochester's capacity to love:
'To women who please me only by their faces, I am the very devil
when I find out they have neither souls nor hearts- when they open
to me a perspective of flatness, triviality, and perhaps imbecility,
coarseness, and ill-temper: but to the clear eye and eloquent
tongue, to the soul made of fire, and the character that bends but
does not break- at once supple and stable, tractable and consistent- I
am ever tender and true.'
~Susan
Thu, Sep 4, 1997 (01:29)
#8
to the clear eye and eloquent tongue, to the soul made of fire, and the character that bends but does not break- at once supple and stable, tractable and consistent- I am ever tender and true.'
Is that not a wonderful description of Jane? No wonder she touched his soul.
~amy2
Thu, Sep 4, 1997 (16:48)
#9
Yes, it really is. Rochester was able to look beneath the plain exterior & see what she really was.
~Rochelle
Tue, Sep 9, 1997 (20:51)
#10
"Look!" she cried eagerly, "that's my room, with the candle in it, and the trees swaying before it...
and the other candle is in Joseph's garret...Joseph sits up late, doesn't he? He's waiting till I come hame
that he may lock the gate. Well, he'll wait a while yet. It's a rough journey, and a sad heart to travel it; and
we must pass by Gimmerton Kirk, to go that journey! We've braved its ghosts often together, and dared each other
to stand among the graves and ask them to come...But Heathcliff, if I dare you now, will you venture? If
you do, I'll keep you. I'll not lie there by myself: they may bury me twelve feet deep and throw the
church down over me; but I won't rest till you are with me...I never will!"
She paused, and resumed with a strange smile. "He's considering...he'd rather I'd come to him! Find a way,
then! not through that Kirkyard...You are slow! Be content, you always followed me!"
WH, Chapter 12
So... do they sleep in the quiet earth or do they walk?
~amy2
Tue, Sep 9, 1997 (21:19)
#11
Absolutely, they walk!!!
~Rochelle
Wed, Sep 17, 1997 (03:54)
#12
"Her senses never returned - she recognised nobody from the time you left her,:
I said. "She lies with a sweet smile on her face; and her latest ideas wandered
back to pleasant early days. Her life closed in a gentle dream - may she wake as
kindly in the other world!"
"May she wake in torment!" he cried, with frightful vehemence, stamping his foot,
and groaning in a sudden paroxysm of ungovernable passion. "Why, she's a liar to
the end! Where is she? Not there - not in heaven - not perished - Where? Oh! you
said you cared nothing for my sufferings! And I pray one prayer - I repeat it till
my tongue stiffens - Catherine Earnshaw, may you not rest, as long as I am living!
You said I killed you - haunt me then! The murdered do haunt their murderers. I
believe - I know that ghosts have wandered on earth. Be with me always - take
any form - drive me mad! only do not leave me in this abyss where I cannot find
you! Oh God! it is unutterable! I cannot live without my life! I cannot live
without my soul!"
~amy2
Wed, Sep 17, 1997 (11:42)
#13
That is an incredible passage, isn't it? It really took my breath away, along with his whole speech to her in her bedroom:
"A movement of Catherine's relieved me a little presently. She put
up her hand to clasp his neck, and bring her cheek to his as he held
her; while he, in return, covering her with frantic caresses, said
wildly,---
"You teach me now how cruel you've been---cruel and false. Why
did you despise me? Why did you betray your own heart, Cathy? I have
not one word of comfort. You deserve this. You have killed yourself.
Yes, you may kiss me, and cry, and wring out my kisses and tears;
they'll blight you---they'll damn you. You loved me; then what right
had you to leave me? What right---answer me---for the poor fancy you
felt for Linton? Because misery, and degradation, and death, and
nothing that God or Satan could inflict would have parted us, you, of
your own will, did it. I have not broken your heart---you have broken
it; and in breaking it you have broken mine. So much the worse for me
that I am strong. Do I want to live? What kind of living will it be
when you----- O God! would you like to live with your soul in the
grave?"
~Rochelle
Thu, Sep 18, 1997 (20:36)
#14
Beautiful. When I was younger and a good deal less restrained than I am now (actually,
I'm twenty-three, but I like to give the impression of ponderous age), I used
to quote chapter and verse of WH. Many was the stunned audience of school fellows
who got to hear my passionate delivery of the "Nelly, I am Heathcliff!" passage.
My Uni lecture notes are annotated with illustrations crawling along the margins
and spilling onto the text of lines such as "Ah! you are come, are you, Edgar
Linton?"...."Your are one of those things that are ever found when least wanted,
and when you are wanted, never! I suppose we shall have plenty of lamentations,
now...I see we shall...but they can't keep me from my narrow home out yonder - my
resting place where I'm bound before Spring is over! There it is, not among the Lintons,
mind, under the chapel-roof; but in the open air with a headstone, and you may
please yourself, whether you go to them, or come to me!....What you touch at
present, you may have; but my soul will be on that hill-top before you lay hands
on me again. I don't want you, Edgar; I'm past wanting you...Return to your books...
I'm glad you possess a consolation, for all you had in me is gone."
~amy2
Fri, Sep 19, 1997 (11:27)
#15
Great stuff!! Though in all fairness, since Nelly didn't report the extent of Cathy's illness to Edgar, how could he know she would practically waste away within three days? I am hoping to hike to Top Withins when I am in Haworth next week & see if I can catch a resemblance to "Wuthering Heights."
~Jigs
Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (21:32)
#16
Back to "Jane". After reading all of the above, I thought I would test a theory that no matter what page my book opened to I'd find a jewel. How about this:
"'I have been with my aunt, sir, who is dead.'
'A true Janian reply! Good angels be my guard! She comes from the other world--from the abode of people who are dead; and tells me so when she meets me alone here in the gloaming! If I dared, I'd touch you, to see if you are substance or shadow, you elf!....'"
Or, "'Tell me now, fairy as you are,---can't you give me a charm, or a philter, or something of that sort, to make me a handsome man?'
'It would be past the power of magic, sir.'"
What delicate dances around each other CB has them do, no?
I can't leave out one of my all-time faves, which I occasionally will startle (puzzle?) acquaintances with: "You shall walk up the pyramids of Egypt!!"
Taken in the right context, it can be very satisfying to blurt that out!
~amy2
Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (21:41)
#17
That's one aspect of Charlotte that's often overlooked amidst all the tragedy: she really had a great sense of humour! Those exchanges bet. Jane & Rochester are truly witty & fun, certainly as much as some of the ripostes bet. Lizzy & Darcy in P&P!
~Heulwen
Sun, Sep 20, 1998 (21:11)
#18
Well, apart from the entire book Wuthering Heights I like the scene where Catherine is describing her dream to Nelly:
"This is nothing,' cried she;'I was only going to say that heaven did not seem to be my home ; and I broke my heart with weeping to come back to earth; and the angels were so angry that they flung me out, into the midle of the heath on the top of Wuthering Heights, where I woke sobbing for joy. That will do to explain my secret, as well as the other. I've no more business to marry Edgar Linton than I have to be in heaven; and if the wicked man in therehad not brought Heathcliff so low, I shouldn't have
hought of it. It would degreade me to marry Heathcliff, now; so he shall never know how I love him; and that, not because he's handsome, Nelly, but because he's more myself than I am. Whatever our souls are made of, his and mine are the same, and Linton's is as different as a moonbeam from lightning, or frost from fire."
and
chapter 34 (Heathcliff dies)
I sought, and soon discovered, the three head-stones on the slope next to the moor - the middle one, grey, and half buried in heath - Edgar Linton's only harmonized by the turf and moss, creeping up its foot - Heathcliff's still bare.
the poem "Faith and Despondancy"
I could go on forever, so I'll stop.
~juliet
Mon, Aug 30, 1999 (14:32)
#19
In a novel of great turbulence and unrest, the greatest lines from Wuthering Heights must be Cathy's serene vision of the release of death :
"The thing that irks me most is this shattered prison, after all.
I'm tired, tired of being enclosed here. I'm wearying to escape
into that glorious world, and to be always there;not seeing it dimly
through tears, and yearning for it through the walls of an aching
heart; but really with it and in it...I shall be incomparably beyond
and above you all."
Also, the novel's final paragraph must be one of the most calming and peaceful in literature. A fine end to the finest novel! Does anyone agree? I'd love to know...
~chadelpina
Tue, Mar 6, 2001 (20:57)
#20
Why doesn't anyone mention Villette? I could probably randomly open that book and feel 100% certain that I had found the best passage. But for now my favorite is:
"We walked back to the Rue Fossette by moonlight-- such moonlight as fell on Eden-- shining through the shades of the Great Garden, and haply gliding a path glorious for a step divine-- a Presence nameless. Once in their lives some men and women go back to these first fresh days of our great Sire and Mother-- taste that grand morning's dew-- bathe in its sunrise."
And then, one page later:
"He deemed me born under his star: he seemed to have spread over me its beam like a banner. Once-- unknown and unloved, I held him harsh and strange; the low stature, the wiry make, the angles, the darkness, the manner, displeased me. Now, penetrated with his influence, and living by his affection, having his worth by intellect, and his goodness by heart-- I preferred him before all humanity."
It makes me want to cry just thinking about it! But really, the passages are pretty melodramatic, but that is part of Villette's attraction, I think. Lucy Snowe seems to be such an accessible character, and yet her relationship with M. Paul seems unearthly to me, more so than Jane & Mr. Rochester's...
~saranha77
Fri, Dec 31, 2004 (22:50)
#21
In WH, there's a passage between the younger generation, Linton and Catherine, which I like because it takes these really dramatic issues of Heathcliff/Cathy/Edgar and makes it into a little squabble, which really entertains me for somet reason...
"'My papa scorns yours!' cried Linton. 'He calls him a sneaking fool.'
'Yours is a wicked man,' retorted Catherine; 'and you are very naughty to dare to repeat what he says. He must be wicked to have made Aunt Isabella leave him as she did.'
'She didn't leave him,' said the boy; 'you shan't contradict me.'
'She did,' cried my young lady.
'Well, I'll tell you something!' said Linton. 'Your mother hated your father: now then.'
'Oh!' exclaimed Catherine, too enraged to continue.
'And she loved mine,' he added.
'You little liar! I hate you now!' she panted, and her face grew red with passion.
'She did! She did!' sang Linton."
~terry
Sat, Jan 1, 2005 (07:32)
#22
What role does Linton play?
~thornfield
Mon, Jun 5, 2006 (09:43)
#23
Well, Linton is the child of Heathcliff and Isabella,
the sister of Edgar Linton. Edgar is Catherine�s
husband - *the Catherine* Heathcliff is madly in
love with!
Heathcliff neither loves his wife Isabella nor his
sickly son Linton - both of them are just pawns
in his chess game! He forces Linton and Catherine
No.2 (the daughter of Catherine and Edgar) to
marry. Edgar and Linton die soon afterwards
and Heathcliff gets Thrushcross Grange (Isabella
died years before) - in addition to Wuthering
Heights, which he already owns!
Revenge complete, but nothing gained from it,
I dare say!
bye:-),
Miss Eyre
~thornfield
Mon, Jun 5, 2006 (09:54)
#24
If I had to choose one passage from the entire
book, I`d take this one, because it`s the
book`s essence in my eyes:
Do you think, because I am poor, obscure, plain,
and little, I am soulless and heartless? You think
wrong!--I have as much soul as you,--and full as
much heart! And if God had gifted me with some
beauty and much wealth, I should have made it as
hard for you to leave me, as it is now for me to
leave you. I am not talking to you now through the
medium of custom, conventionalities, nor even of
mortal flesh;--it is my spirit that addresses your
spirit; just as if both had passed through the grave,
and we stood at God's feet, **EQUAL,--AS WE ARE!**"
bye:-),
Miss Eyre