Check out Mangala's video!

It's ok because we'll be transferring all this content anyway. And I'm not phasing in the new server for a while, because these one chugs along fairly reliably. And the new server will be a support machine until it proves it's metal. And also there's the issue that it's a difference flavor unix (Free BSD instad of BSDI).

ok, ratthing and every one else, Riette and I have already gotten http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/screwed and wouldn't you know it, she came first... and introduced herself!

yeah, I know, the url should be http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/screwed/all but it worked, didn't it? (and read better, as well)

Nothing like a good screw! ha-ha!

is this, like, a whole new conference?

yes! please visit screwed!

ok!!!

I whupped up a coupla new topics, mostly related to Austin goings on but of general interest also. The first is in poetry. It's about teh 98 national Poetry Slam which is going to kick off in a few days. This is the Superbowl of poetry, folks. And I'll be there. The other is a website and discussion about Body Choir, a group that I have fun with and which I have talked about briefly. http://www.spring.net/bodychoir And the Pledge Drive is still going strong with two new contributions, Read the topic in this conference.

Terry, when you click on it, it says "File Not Found."

It's fixed now.

Oh, very interesting! PS: check your email.

Varoom! Keep them names coming, in, of all places, babes? Any Mike Griggs sightings? And catch either the Internet or the Austin conference for a listing of interesting websites about race, class and the Internet from Arthur McGee. Art goddess Riette continues on her roll in the art conference. It's a great education!

Thought you had problems? the entire cap the size of the USA and part of Canada 20,000 feet thick will slide into the ocean causing huge waves... In the news conference.

!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN?!?!?!

Don't know. Sounds kind of hokey, should have put it in the news of the weird topic (do we have one?) . . . along with the alien abductions. You'll have to visit news and check the web links, I spose.

SpringSearch! http://www.spring.net/search New!

too cool! check out this feature, as well... http://www.spring.net/~spew/ss/

Looks good Terry. Now we know why you're so busy ;-)

It only took about 10 minutes to set up. Ooops, didn't call you last night. Give me a buzz later.

This topic now linked to drool.

This topic now linked to drool Yes, I noticed. Did you upgrade the software or something? I've been able yo post without getting a Yapp error the last couple of days.

No updates! Unless Kaylenes been working behind the scenes. wer is taking an active role in overall system management and design, which is great. New topic internet (topic 28) which lists communication clients, these are ways we can meet using audio, video and text chat. Here are some of the best communications clients: Here are, in general, the best apps for communicating over the net (not just videoconferencing in some cases) in order of effectiveness and overall quality: Iphone 5.01 ftp://ftp.vocaltec.com/pub/iphone/iphone50.exe WebPhone ftp://ftp.netspeak.com/pub/wpsetup.exe VDOPhone ftp://ftp.vdo.net/vdptrial.exe NetMeeting http://mssjus3.www.conxion.com/msdownload/netmeeting/Nm21.exe OnLive! Traveler http://www.onlive.com/cgi-bin/travreg.cgi PowWow32 ftp://ftp.powwow.com/powwow36.exe PhoneFerret ftp://ferret.aitcom.net/pub/ferret/PFT111.exe Virtual Places http://download.vplaces.com/clients/VP32r21.exe Active Worlds http://aw.mpl.net/downloads/awb.exe Speak Freely http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/windows/speakfb.zip WinTalk ftp://ftp.elf.com/pub/wintalk/wtalk127.zip VoxPhone ftp://papa.indstate.edu/winsock-l/Windows95/tx32v20.exe

Slippage!

Let's talk to a prisoner. See justice topic 4.

You mean a married man?

nope, that's what he'd a meant if I had said it...

You feel like marriage is an imprisonment? I don't really, except when Chris doesn't want to go on the merry-go-round with me. Then I wish I hadn't been married, 'cos then I would not have WANTED him to come along in the first place, and I wouldn't have had to nag him about it.

Topic 7 of 13: 'NATO and European politics' Response 11 of 11: naive (ergopublic) Wed, Aug 26, 1998 (15:56) 18 lines Strange (or funny) to read this discussion. At "beeing wired - beeing human" I was told to have a look at spring. The NATO and European politics page is really astonishing for a citizen that is not member of the U.S. nor the NATO nor even the U.N. ... ... read the rest in the politics conference. Wow, we can mentioned at being wired, being human! New blood. And Swiss too.

Read the story of the "Tech Ranch" radio program - about Austin technology - in the austin conference (topic 30) and it's linked to the 'radio' conference. Riette's art conference is awesome, it's forcing us telnetties onto the web to see it!

All this flattery is going to make me very vain soon..... MORE PLEASE!

She's absolutely stupendous! For you host sysop types, you can click on help on the Spring's main page and now get to a "sysops corner" which tells you how to use telnet to create conferences and do sysop type things.

Keep that technology stuff away from me! They and me - we don't exactly get along.

Geoff posted a new topic, number 49, in the web conference about a new postal service on the internet. I was running out the door and could only skim it real fast. Could someone else please take a look and post a better synopsis here? And welcome geoff, 'cause he's finally come out of the woodwork after hanging around here for at least a year. Maybe we can keep him out in the open now!

Gregory Kallenberg's online version of the XL article: http://austin360.com/tech/browser/browser.htm

thanks for posting the URL, terry. what a great blurb for the Spring! so are we *all* "edgy and cool" or just you, terry?

Remember, Ray,THE WALHUS IS OUR MASTER!

We're all so hip, groovy, cool and edgy that it's awesome.

like, totally dude!

No-one should touch us - we're so hot, we'll burn them to ashes!

This may be tasteless and it may make you gag. That warning out of the way, it's topic 30 in babes. Jailbabes. Something to stir Mike up on his return.

I think he'll laugh himself into a coma!

hi i am a newbie whats hot.....

this is what's hot--the spring! didn't you hear? we're edgy and cooooooool, woohoo!! welcome judy! look around, feel free to jump in on any topic...

thank you and well i am,,but right now i am just looking around and thanks again...

welcome to the spring isis! what are your interests?

What's hot! The people here. The topics. Food. Art. Restaurants. Science. Babes. Drool. Movies. TV. And we like to hang out on our little 'Porch' and listen to the frogs croak down by the spring, and swap comments about what's hot. And you're hot, cause you're new!

While there are tens of thousands of websites to visit, it is only the very seasoned netizen who will actually explore the wider reaches of the Internet. We know that most people tend to visit the same sites repeatedly. The average person has a list of ten websites they visit on a weekly basis and outside of that there is not much divergence. check http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/vc/all for the rest of the article...look around, you'll find it...

Books, Isis. Books are HOT. Come tell us what you're reading, even if it's trash.

Or: get SCREWED!!! That was not an insult!

Really, wolf has read a book in nearly every state (you can take that two ways). And I posed the question to her whether or not she could remember which states she read which books. It's my way of steering a discussion back on topic. Books. Hot. Read. I love the creative direction Ree and wer a giving this place. Here guys, have a high 5! www.colinfirth.com and www.austen.com are coming, if I can get the new machine more organized with Peters help. Then the respective design teams can take over. I love drool and austen. I wish we could revive austen in a cway complemenatary to what Amy and Myretta are doing Sports. Baseball, I know you say ugh. But nonetheless I have made some comments on the current home run race between McGwire and Sosa in the sports topic 10 on the Cardinals if you care to join me. More later....

The get screwed comment was in reference to the Judy topic in screwed. Getting screwed is a peak experience around here.

ABSOLUTELY

wait! terry, you wanted to know in which states i've read a book? not which states i've been in? well, now, this will have a completely different answer.

Waiting to hear it....

Yeah, waiting for what states in what states.

crazy in all of them and i haven't a clue what i've read where!

Good things and new people going on in the Internet conference. And, yes, Ray, I'd love it if you'd work on those menu scripts. Topic 1 of 29: 'allow me to introduce myself' Response 38 of 40: Ray Lopez (ratthing) Mon, Sep 7, 1998 (22:57) 3 lines terry, i did not know you needed someone to work on the menus. i'd love to do that! Topic 1 of 29: 'allow me to introduce myself' Response 39 of 40: Arthur R McGee (amcgee) Mon, Sep 7, 1998 (23:19) 3 lines Yeah, thanks. I understand UNIX just fine, I just wasn't aware of how my shell needed to be setup for the conferencing software to work. On most systems, the conferencing software has it's own independent settings. Thanks again. Topic 1 of 29: 'allow me to introduce myself' Response 40 of 40: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) Tue, Sep 8, 1998 (08:20) 5 lines Thanks Art, it's an issue that our conferening software should address. But our web population is much, much bigger than our telnet group, so naturally, the web is where most of our development has been. [1/29] Respond, forget, or pass? Item 10 entered Sun, Sep 22, 1996 (16:09) by Paul Terry Walhus (terry) ISPs - who is the best Internet Service Provider? 1 new of 3 responses total. Topic 10 of 29: 'ISPs - who is the best Internet Service Provider?' Response 2 of 3: Ito (ITO) Tue, Sep 8, 1998 (21:03) 4 lines I use shaw wave through the cable company in Calgary and I love it!, too fast, no phone line tied up and 24-hour connection. I pay $40Canadian a month; it ain't so bad but for those that need it it's worth it, there is no web space for a site but there is for ftp. Also, you are allowed to have up to 5 email accounts, which I guess some people would benefit from. The program I am into is the Home network. We'll be moving to Austin pretty soon, does anyone know whether there is cable internet service through the local cable company?, who is the cable company down there? if the service exists does anyone know what it costs? Thanks and happy surfing! Ito Topic 10 of 29: 'ISPs - who is the best Internet Service Provider?' Response 3 of 3: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) Tue, Sep 8, 1998 (23:23) 4 lines Welcome Ito, yes, we either have it or we're getting it very soon. Very glad you're joining us.

ooh, and don't forget to try the last 50 postings option on http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/main either...will be coming to a conference near you soon, also... (and maybe I can finally get the frames version and the goto button working, too)

I love that 50 last postings, everyone give wer a hug, ok?

didya see the cartoon? it changes everyday...

Terry, e-mail me the mailing address for your Austin casa, okay?

Goodness, do you guys actually have enough brain space to store all these techno terms in????

ok, how come i only got the cartoon once? and the 50 option is cool too, so here ya go, wer *squeeze*

what do you mean, once?

i mean one time, not twice, not more than one time *hehe*...a few days ago, i logged in, got my personalized deal with a cartoon on the right side of the screen. ever since then, no cartoon has shown up when i log in. got it?

got it...couldn't make it fit right with differenct hotlist lengths, so it now appears at the bottom of the last 50 postings page...

okay! t'anks, wer *grin*

oh, wer, i gots an idear, you know that cartoon you put at the bottom of 50 responses? well, what if we post a cartoon and have folks submit their own caption to 'em? huh, whatcha think, huh?

I don't care...I can't draw, however... speaking of, everyone go to http://www.spring.net/~spew/b/ and look at the buttons I'm working on, then come back and tell me what you think...

don't have to be able to draw, just post a cartoon!

That could be a topic too. Post a picture and then the responses that follow are suggested captions.

wer's top 50! Check it out: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/fifty

HEY HO HO HEY, is there some kind of favourism going on here, or what?? I've got no cartoon!!! �wailing bitterly�

Happy Birthday Colin Firth! http://www.colinfirth.com or http://www.firth.com hosted by the Spring and produced by the awesome babes of drool.

Wow! Cool and edgy psychedelic new buttons.

Kristen has her own Spring page and has said she wants to start taking part in our discussions. It might help if folks here would send her some encouragement in the form of email and comments in her discussion area in 'babes'! http://www.spring.net/kristen ... which has a link to babes.

ooooo...she doesn't even have a tilde...

Would it be rude of me to say that I hope flattery is not going to become the basis or condition for our friendship here?

i hope not! while the core group of us here enjoys a very jovial relationship, we shouild be careful not to let that supress creativity of thought and exposure to new ideas and people.

...with that said, i feel that it is imperative that we maintain a level of civility here. if this place turns into the WELL i am leaving.

I think we all really like each other and I don't see any signs of that!

GOOD. Just checking.

We're very full on disk space. We have another machine (access) with 8 gb and it's nearly empty. Use it to store graphics files, etc and to start new websites and other projects. If there's anything in your directory you don't need, nuke it or move it to the new machine. We'll crash very soon if this keeps up. We're 95% full on this machine and bursting at the seams. I'm going in and moving everything I can to access that is in my personal directory. And I'm running a diskhog report which I'll publish later ... it takes a long time to run. It shows all directories on the system in descending order of size.

Ok: !df Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 19454 17614 866 95% / /dev/sd0h 2956188 2620738 187640 93% /usr We've got to cut out file storage on this machine and use our other machine(s) for storing files, expecially large ones.

The gory details: bash$ cat hog du / | sort -rn > hogwww.txt bash$ su Password: bash# du / | sort -rn > hogwww.txt du: /usr/var/www/docs/.chai.html.tmp: No such file or directory bash# head -100 hogwww.txt 2637922 / 2620310 /usr 994658 /usr/home 929378 /usr/var 831078 /usr/var/www 604854 /usr/var/www/logs 417362 /usr/var/www/logs/spring.net 304514 /usr/bbs 167836 /usr/local 142238 /usr/home/work 115282 /usr/var/www/logs/childrenstory.com 113072 /usr/home/jeff 112028 /usr/bbs/part 102986 /usr/bbs/confs 99812 /usr/var/www/webdocs 86578 /usr/home/terry 82944 /usr/contrib 79210 /usr/var/www/docs 67458 /usr/var/www/webdocs/childrenstory.com 61896 /usr/var/log 56710 /usr/home/dbii 51682 /usr/local/src 46708 /usr/home/terry/Mail 46636 /usr/var/www/rafiles 46044 /usr/home/wmmeyers 45988 /usr/home/wmmeyers/public_html 45330 /usr/var/www/logs/spring.com 45162 /usr/home/jeff/perl 44746 /usr/bbs/www 44378 /usr/home/dbii/public_html 44278 /usr/home/anneh 44170 /usr/home/dbii/public_html/forum 44148 /usr/home/anneh/public_html 42196 /usr/local/src/pine4.02 41956 /usr/local/realaudio 40440 /usr/home/nbba 39502 /usr/contrib/bin 39398 /usr/home/wmmeyers/public_html/album 39238 /usr/bbs/www/home 38054 /usr/home/work/terry 37326 /usr/home/msworks 37296 /usr/home/msworks/MSWORKS 37030 /usr/share 36300 /usr/home/jeff/olddns 33398 /usr/var/mail 33108 /usr/home/anneh/public_html/derby 30402 /usr/home/nbba/incoming 30302 /usr/home/kreblon 29924 /usr/home/kreblon/public_html 29240 /usr/home/dbii/public_html/forum/confs 28588 /usr/src 28586 /usr/src/sys 27742 /usr/var/www/webdocs/childrenstory.com/tales 26680 /usr/home/jeff/perl/perl5.004_04 26062 /usr/local/frontpage 26034 /usr/local/frontpage/version3.0 24748 /usr/home/paul 23924 /usr/home/paul/Mail 23580 /usr/home/terry/public_html 22892 /usr/var/www/webdocs/adultstory.com 22226 /usr/var/log/oldlog 21898 /usr/bbs/confs/drool 21362 /usr/var/www/logs/adultstory.com 21338 /usr/local/realaudio/pnserver.old 21054 /usr/contrib/lib 20976 /usr/home/ham 20680 /usr/home/bernie 19638 /usr/home/mrobens 19070 /usr/src/sys/i386 18914 /usr/bbs/confs/modjane 18834 /usr/local/src/pine4.02/bin 18514 /usr/var/www/docs/wle 18196 /usr/var/www/webdocs/childrenstory.com/christmas 18178 /usr/home/mrobens/public_html 17848 /usr/var/www/webdocs/childrenstory.com/tales/snow 17602 /usr/var/www/webdocs/childrenstory.com/tales/snow/images 17552 /usr/home/jeff/sendmail 17540 /usr/home/work/Mail 17420 /usr/var/www/docs/bayless 17346 /usr/var/www/docs/bayless/images 16998 /usr/bind 16996 /usr/bind/named 16434 /usr/home/bernie/public_html 16034 /usr/bbs/confs/austenarchive 15646 /usr/home/mrobens/public_html/Ann 15496 /usr/src/sys/i386/OBJ 14762 /usr/local/pnserver 14686 /usr/var/www/webdocs/childrenstory.com/christmas/images 14512 /usr/home/nan 14340 /usr/home/snap 14242 /usr/bin 14204 /usr/home/snap/public_html 14168 /usr/lib 14150 /usr/home/ham/Mail 13998 /usr/contrib/man 13922 /usr/share/man 13878 /usr/home/jeff/dns 13460 /usr/home/work/AWORKB 13452 /usr/home/alweeda 13188 /usr/bind/named/bin bash#

Terry, I nuked the topics on modjane, but don't have permissions to delete the conference. It will give you some more room, but the conference should be deleted.

That's pretty much a drop in the bucket, but thanks. I'll delete the conference and remove it from the main page. We just need better log file management which means archiving the big logs over to access.spring.net. And I have about 45 mbs. of personal files that I'm copying and nuking.

Terry, does the Art conference have something to do with this problem? Could you move it wherever it has to go in order to solve another drop in the bucket? I haven't a clue about these things - I thought one could just post and post, and it never gets full, 'cos it's internet files.

We're in pretty good shape now, I just freed up 45mb last night and when I clean up the log files that will free up a lot more. We can get you an account on access.spring.net and you can have an area there for storage of art files. But, as you can see, we're in much better shape: bash$ df Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 19454 17614 866 95% / /dev/sd0h 2956188 2450354 358024 87% /usr bash$

terry, there are several tar files in the /usr/bbs directory, and probably elsewhere. you could get a little more space out of the system by moving or compressing those files too.

Cool, do you have any recommendations on log file handling and archiving (to access.spring.net)? Something like: tar cf - ./games | rsh access.spring.net cd /tmp \; tar xvBpf - (Solaris example of moving directories between machines -- we need something a little different, copying to another machine without compressing so we can grep and analyze still and restarting the log file on the source machine). Something you'd be willing to take on? I think there should be a top 50 button on every page you go to, and the cartoon is great, but I wish it were on another page than top 50 (imho), because I use it constantly now as a bookmark and I when I go to it I immediately hit page down because it is in ascending order. (descending would be better) and then I have to hit the page up key. Top 50 is an insanely great way to navigate the Spring!

there are several topics in poetry that aren't used at all, later, i'll give a warning that those topics will be retired then you can do whatever you need to clear up space.

I can do the fifty to print in reverse, no problem... I just stuck the cartoon thingy there cause it fit... have written the conference fifty page, also, just haven't installed it... hopefully, I'll have them fixed and up by Sunday...

Very cool. Where did you post the dinner thing relating to Kristen. I told her about it but she couldn't find it just now.

her topic in Babes...

Right, speaking of Kristen, she's our Spring birthday girl today. Bend over Kristen, we're going to give you a spanking! (twap) (twap) 26 times . . .