Those of you who despair at seeing a bewhiskered Colin in Flashman (and I count myself in this number), keep your fingers crossed that they decide to adapt Flashman and the Mountain of Light. In this book, Flashy is sent to the Punjab as a lawyer and diplomat (supposedly) whose real job is to spy for the British. The first order they give him is to "shave off your moustache and whiskers--do it yourself, no nappy-wallah [barber]and I'll cut your hair myself into something decently civilian- give ye a touch of pomade, pehaps." Flashy complies, though it breaks his heart: I felt so low altogether that I decided to complete my misery by shaving my whiskers--that's how reduced I was. When I'd done, and stared at my naked chops in the glass, remembering how Elspeth had adored my face-furniture and sworn they were what had first won her girlish heart, I could have wept. "Beardie-beardie," she used to murmur fondly, and that sent me into a maudlin reverie about that first splendid tumble in the bushes by the Clyde, and equally glorious romps in the Madagascar forest . . . rom which my mind naturally strayed to frenzied gallops with Queen Ranavalona, who hadn't cared for whiskers at all--leastways, she always used to try to wrench mine out by the rooots in moments of ecstasy. Well, some women don't like 'em. Luckily for Flashy, the Punjab is ruled by a woman who is said to be a nymphomaniac. Supposedly she wears out six men a night, but I haven't gotten to that part yet.

LOL, Anne!!!

And here's me going on about the underlying anti-war themes and Flashy's hidden depths (political astuteness, sensitivity, romantic love of wife etc) whilst the rest of you are being distracted by, well, other things! His whiskers are shaved off in "Royal Flash" as well when he has to impersonate a ruling prince. The downside, though, is that they also shave off his curly hair. And doesn't the Royal Concubine object to his hair-i-ness? Have to say that despite my high-minded selection of quotes, my favourite (of the moment!) is from "Flashman and the Angel of the Lord" when he encounters (in the Flashman sense) a voluptuous dusky lady from the Deep South who tells Flashy that he was "her sho' nuff honeymoon baby, of all things, an' whenevah she saw a cucumber aftuh this, she'd think o' me, and other similar endearments." Well, shopping for fruit and veg will never be the same again. Fortunately we've only got four "Flashman" books on our shelves! :-)

With all this shaving of whiskers and moustache, I guess it will have to be fake moustache and whiskers!! (unfortunately)

whenevah she saw a cucumber aftuh this, she'd think o' me Hee hee.....oh why why why there are no Flashman books in Finland, they seem to be really high class stuff ;-) Please, go on with your enjoyable quoting, ladies.

More Food: This is from Royal Flash, a favorite of Eileen's ;-D"Go away, you fat slut," says I, heaving at her. "Gehan Sie weg, dammit. Don't want you; want Lola." I might as well have to move St. Paul's; she was all over me, trying to kiss me, and succeeding, her fat face against mine. I cursed and struggled, and she giggled idiotically and began clawing at my breeches. "No, you don't," says I, seizing her wrist, but I was too tipsy to be able to defend myself properly, or else she as strong for all her blubber. She pinned me down, calling me her duckling, of all things, and her chicken, and then before I knew it she had suddenly hauled me upright and had my fine Cherrypicker pants round my knees, and was squirming her fat backside against me. "Oh, eine hammelkeule!" she squeaked. "Kolossal!"FYI, hammelkeule means leg of mutton. Wonder to which part of his anatomy she might be referring? ;-D

Also AnneR has found an article in today's Telegraph about Julie Andrews, which mentions RV and Colin. Here's the url: http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000576481449931&rtmo=pQNQ4NUe&atmo=FFFFFFtX&pg=/et/99/8/28/bfjuli28.html

All this moisture on my keyboard is not from drool but from tears of laughter. I'm in stitches, ladies.

Perhaps Renate can shed some light on the "hammelkeule" reference. Dear of endearment? Idiom? ;-D

Hey which book is this....the "Kolossal cucumber"one?...Gotta get it:-D *** Good to hear from you Ann R. Tell us more about Flashy...some of us haven't gotten our books yet.

If you guys don't watch out, all your interest will peak (no connotations intended) too soon ... it probably won't be shot until next summer or be shown 'til next fall (in the UK) soonest. Savor it slowly!!! :-D

... Especially since it appears to be such a HUGE enterprise!!! ;-D

I like the statement by Julie Andrews that it was wonderful to get the chance to work with people like COLIN FIRTH and Steven Frye. It seems like almost all of the women who work with him feel the same aka GP who gushed on about him playing Wessex so briliantly. MEM who says she loves acting with him. KST who says that he is a good friend and an unselfish actor.

Can't forget Sue Birtwhistle who said that before they were even finished with the script she told the producers she wanted ODB to play Darcy. She had worked with him before and knew that no one could play Darcy like Colin. She knew what she was talking about thats for certain

More on the Kolossal cucumber:--and then I was standing there, mother-naked, while Detchard listened with his ear to the panels of the communicating door. "Lucky little Duchess Irma," murmurs Rudi, and I saw him grinning at me. "Let's hope the real prince is as royally endowed." He tipped me a mock salute, very debonair. I do hope they use this story for one of their episodes. This is where his head and whiskers are shaved to impersonate the prince. It will also be interesting watching him learn to act as the prince. The actor acting. :)

He certainly does seem like an actors' actor. It may not help his fame and fortune much, but it obviously makes him and everyone around him happy. What a peculiar choice in this day and age, and how cool.

MLSF and still another good review, I particularly like this one http://www,rochestergoesout.com/mov/m/mylife.html - so when did it open in Rochester, anybody from Rochester area - lurkers?

try again http://www.rochestergoesout.com/mov/m/mylife.html

I'm afraid I can't contribute much re "Hammelkeule" which isn't already in the quote above. But I think that mutton legs do not belong into the category of small details easily overlooked. Got my first Flashman novel (Vol.I) today, can't wait to begin--------

I saw the Julie Andrews article in the Telegraph (thanks for giving the URL, Karen). In the newspaper version it is very prominent, and there's a large pic of JA, obviously from the film, looking very elegant, sitting at a dinner table holding a glass of wine. I'm sure this will be a good looking movie. I like the description of CF's character as a "surrogate Noel Coward...witty" From Coward to Flash Harry (via Don Quixote and Shakespeare)...quite a range! JA sounds like a very gracious lady...I think t ere will be a lot of interest in RV, and it's already getting some useful pre-publicity. And talking of Flashy...yes, KJ, it could be a longish wait! ITV drama is actually (in my opinion) the most decorous of our various TV channels (sorry, ladies!)and also the best in terms of quality. I think we'll get a cross between Hornblower/Sharpe and Moll Flanders, with some expert comedy from the likes of Joanna Lumley and Felicity Kendall as Flashy's ladies. And I think Colin will look very sexy, but, no more..! :-) But there's always the books... BTW I wonder if Colin agonised over taking this role as much as he did over Darcy (Remember "I looked in the mirror and didn't see Darcy".) Or did he just look in the mirror and think Y-e-e-sss!!.

MLSF is gone from Dallas...maybe Rochester got their copy. (Rochester,NY? C'mon. Houston is the #4 city and hasn't gotten it yet. Grrrr) **** LOL at KJArt wanting us to hold back on Flashman....you know us too well for that.

(Bethan)ITV drama is actually (in my opinion) the most decorous of our various TV channels (sorry, ladies!)and also the best in terms of quality.I think we'll get a cross between Hornblower/Sharpe and Moll Flanders, There was nothing decorous about Moll Flanders. **** BTW Richard Eyre who is the CEO of ITV also directed Colin in Tumblewood, as you remember, and is the husband of Sue Birtwistle!! Way to go, Sue!

Ann: It probably opened on Friday. (BTW, it is Rochester NY, Evelyn.) The theater looks to be the local arthouse, as it is also playing The Castle, AIH, Tea with Mussolini, and My Son the Fanatic. What happened? Neither Limbo or The Red Violin are playing there. (Renate) But I think that mutton legs do not belong into the category of small details easily overlooked. Quite right, especially in pants that are described as fitting like a second skin. ;-D

LOL! In Italy we sometimes call it "La terza gamba" the third leg.

...In Italy we sometimes call it "La terza gamba" the third leg. ROTFLMAO....Molto bene, signorina...Mucho bettah than KC (Kol. Cuke) ***** .... pants that are described as fitting like a second skin. ;-D Is this what is referred to in the book as "Cherryskin Pants'?

(Evelyn) LOL at KJArt wanting us to hold back on Flashman....you know us too well for that. Did I say "Hold Back"?? You're right, I know you too well for that! Just suggesting a little moderation is all, lest you run out of analysis fodder long before the real thing is due.

Article in Sunday Times about doing the "classics" on television. Mentions both P&P and TTOTS. Here are the relevant bits: The Turn of the Screw, ITV, probably Christmas Henry James's brilliant ghost story, adapted by Nick Dear. Stars Pam Ferris, Jodhi May and Colin Firth. For all their traditional roots, classic adaptations are getting much sharper and more up to date. "In Pride and Prejudice, we put in things that weren't in the book, like the scene with Darcy swimming at the lake," says Sue Birtwistle, the producer. "We talked long and hard about it, but we felt it was reasonable to show he was a young man who had these responsibilities of running an estate and occasionally must have wanted a moment to himself. Nobody seemed to mind." When it's really convincing, nobody does. (More relationships better understood) "Reunites Davies, a former Eng Lit lecturer, with his former pupil and producer on Pride and Prejudice, Sue Birtwistle." (This is from the snippet about "Wives and Daughters.")

Has everyone voted in the MLSF poll in the Rochester, NY paper that AnnW. found? Go to: http://www.rochestergoesout.com/mov/m/mylife.html **** ...TTOTS..Henry James's brilliant ghost story, adapted by Nick Dear. I like to see the term adapted ...I just finished the book and I hope the Uncle's (Master...CF) part is enhanced.

So far there have been 14 votes, so... go for it, ladies!

just finished the book and I hope the Uncle's (Master...CF) part is enhanced. Must be surely! TOTS seems to lend itself to widely differing interpretations and adaptations ( apparently there's another film version starrring Lauren Bacall and Harvey Keitel, in which the governess goes mad, coming out soon) In the Deborah Kerr version. the Master was played by Sir Michael Redgrave, head of the Redgrave clan. If TOTS is being aired over Christmas, I think it will have to have a reasonably upbeat ending, maybe with a touch of romance (well, here's hoping!). I'm hoping that the Master is more involved in the story-line! At least with Flashman, there's no doubt...he's on every page!! Any news of FP in the States? Is it finally opening there (LA/NY?) or is it straight to video? Ann, any news of MLSF in the UK? I read that "The Theory of Flight" with Kenneth Branagh and Helena B-C, which got dismal reviews in the US, is opening nationwide, as is "The Winslow Boy". AIH and "The Honest Courtesan (Rufus Sewell)also got 200 screen openings, as did "The James Gang" (John Hannah), Miramax's last all-Brit release. If MLSF is London-only, I shall be ABSOLUTELY furious! But I've no high hopes. :-(( Have to say I'm glad Colin is doing TV and theatre....his leading man career seems to be ji xed! If you'd told me 2 years ago that we'd still be waiting to see MLSF and that SLOW would be the only Arts Council funded film not to reach the screen, I'd not have believed it! Life is strange! :-)

MLSF, No no news Bethan, but how about we both telephone this week, I was told to telephone again about now and if it is to be released in October as it said in the recent DP interview, they must have an exact date by now!!

(Bethan) And here's me going on about the underlying anti-war themes and Flashy's hidden depths (political astuteness, sensitivity, romantic love of wife etc) whilst the rest of you are being distracted by, well, other things! I guess they don't call this 'drool' for nuthin'! Thanks for taking the high road, Bethan. There's no way ODB would take this part if it only featured the "bedroom dimension" of his acting talent, not to mention the size of his....pants? You're right, KJ, it will be a long wait for the kolossal Flashman. But there's nothing like a jump start to get us going! For now I'd like to see more confirmation that Colin's actually doing this series. Is that do-able, Ann, Bethan, Allison? (Bethan) :-(( Have to say I'm glad Colin is doing TV and theatre....his leading man career seems to be jinxed! Patience, my dear...patience!

Must have been press day on the Isle of Man. This from the NY Daily News, but no mention of Colin or other cast: Julie Andrews Speaks The star, whose vocal cords were damaged in 1997 by a bacterial infection, isn't ready to sing, but has mended enough to play a proper English mother in "Relative Values," a $10 million comedy that just started shooting on the Isle of Man off the coast of Northern Ireland. "She can talk," said Gene Schwam, who represents Andrews and her husband, director Blake Edwards. "She just can't sing." Edwards is in Los Angeles trying to nail down financing for his new comedy, "It Never Rains," starring Chevy Chase. The two won't see each other until the end of September when Andrews returns to L.A. Schwam said Andrews and Edwards recently put their Manhattan townhouse up for sale. "They still have a condo in L.A., and a house in Sag Harbor," he said. "And they still may buy something else in New York." ************ BTW, I retract my predictions about Mickey Blues Eyes. It is amazingly bad. Trailer was 100x funnier. Also, I am beginning to dislike Jeanne Tripplehorn tremendously. Will be difficult watching her in RV, especially as I expect another larger-than-life parody character, as she's been doing in MBE and Sliding Doors. ************* Flashman Update: I recommend "Royal Flash" more so than the first book. This book is full of swash and buckling (as would indicate from the dedication that Eileen mentioned). I do hope they use this story for one for one of the episodes, even though we would have a bald Colin throughout. However, Harry swordfights and is in the thick of many a fight. Yes, he cowers inwardly, but rises to the occasion. He does a number of despicable things, but hey that's his character. ;-D ************** Television Notice: Valmont will be shown on Thursday, Sept.2, on Showtime at 8:00 pm Eastern Time. If anyone doesn't own the tape, this would be a good place to record it from, as there won't be any commercials and it should be unedited.

Now this takes the cake, from Variety: Fox's new drama "Manchester Prep" has added Ted Shackelford to the cast. The ColTriStar show is exec produced by Neal Moritz and is based on the feature "Cruel Intentions." Shackelford, best known for his role on the long-running series "Knots Landing" has also done episodes of "The Outer Limits" and "Cybill" and appeared in Showtime's "Dead Man's Gun." LOL!! Gary Ewing in a TV series based on Dangerous Liaisons/Valmont.

The LA Times has an article about Julie Andrews and Relative Values. It is basically the same as appeared in the Saturday Telegraph. Same writer (David Gritten), but edited to read slightly differently. http://www.calendarlive.com/HOME/CALENDARLIVE/CALENDAR/t000077220.html For example: (British) "She has certainly had more than her share of adversity." (American) "It certainly has been a hard couple of years for Andrews..." I guess we don't know what *adversity* means! ;-D

A friend came across this in an Australian magazine and I thought it might interest you, eve though there is no mention of Colin. "It�s a case of revenge for big-bummed girls. Skinny GWYNETH PALTROW has long dreamed of playing the lead role in the film adaptation of the hit book �Bridget Jones� Diary�, but it seems she�ll be knocked back because of a lack of certain physical attributes. "We need an actress with a bum and breasts, so Gwyneth would have to be prepared to put on a couple of stone," a production source says. The likely person for the role is HELENA BONHAM CARTER. Okay, so she�s not completely chunky, but you can�t e pect miracles in Hollywood." I thought this would have been an English production or do you think the reference to Hollywood is tongue in cheek? As a big-bummed girl myself, I definitely wouldn't call Helena chunky. The last time I saw her a wondered about her eating habits :-)

For now I'd like to see more confirmation that Colin's actually doing this series. Is that do-able, Ann, Bethan, Allison? I saw the news item so ably spotted by Ann in the TV Times. Very prominent and a nice pic of Colin (We have a scanner but I'm IT illiterate) I'd take it as a fact, especially as they're already discussing the casting of the other roles. And he couldn't turn this down. It will probably mean four 2-hour productions of quality, big budget drama ...probably ITV's tour de force for the year. Flashman Update: I recommend "Royal Flash" more so than the first book. This book is full of swash and buckling (Karen) Agreed...and IMO the books get better and better, in terms of story-telling, style and historical/political background. And Flashy definitely does mature! We were in our local Waterstones today, so I picked up another Flashman..."Flash for Freedom". The cover has Flashy, standing legs akimbo (a most provocative stance!)clad in breeches and boots and open necked white shirt, flourishing a whip! Pity I can't scan! BTW I agree that "Royal Flash" is a prime contender for an adaptation, but we won't see him b ld...maybe just a very short cut! And no moustache or whiskers. Win some, lose some. Ann, yes, phoning Miramax about release dates makes sense, although sometimes I prefer to live in (false)hope! If I get some callow youth wittering on about everything depending on Box Office returns in the US (all those 18 prints!), I'll not be best pleased! :-). Glad to hear that Miramax had a mega flop in Mrs Tingle. Seems to be backing the wrong horse time. Karen, my 15 year old son (quite discriminating) saw "Mickey Blue Eyes" and thought it was rubbish (although it had reasonalble reviews over here). As I've said many times I despair of Cinema in the UK...we don't even get the opportunity to see decent "small" movies anymore and the multiplexes are filled with teenagers. Thanks for the article Cathey. I saw Helena B-C's name in connection with BJD about a year ago, but not recently. Don't think she's right for the part. From Karen's posting on #80, I wonder if they will start shooting in October as they still seem to be working on the script. But they can't delay for ever. And I still want to see CF as MD (although am slightly distracted by the prospect of Flash Harry!)

Here's one version of the cover, but not the one you described. Will check around to see if that one already exists out there. I'd like to see it too! ;-D Very provocative stance. And did I say in "Royal Flash" he gets wet. Really wet! More than once!!

Helena B-C should be Shazz. Why do they see it? Thanks for all the news-bits, ladies. I will have to search out Royal Flash.

Firth comes first, to be sure. But I've loved the "Sharpe" series, so I'm agog that CF will be turning up in something of the same ilk. Please, please, let it not come to be just another bit of CF "pie-in-the sky" rumor. I'm a tad elderly -- I can't take too much more deisappointment!!

(Moon)Helena B-C should be Shazz. I agree... no way will can she pull off playing Bridge herself, but Shazz is a good consolation prize. BTW Moon, welcome back! Hope you had a refreshing, fun and enjoyable trip!

Welcome Peejay! Don't fret. We've had confirmation that there will be a Flashman series, although nothing specific on casting, etc. Now, that you're out of lurkdom, join in. ;-D

BBC News has picked up the LA Times article. Andrews voices singing hopes Actress and singer Julie Andrews has said that she hopes to sing again, despite the surgery that robbed her of her famous voice two years ago. The 64 year-old British-born star of classic musicals The Sound of Music and Mary Poppins has been unable to sing since undergoing throat surgery in 1997. But Andrews, who is currently making a film version of Noel Coward's 1951 play Relative Values, has told the Los Angeles Times that she has not given up the struggle to regain her voice. "It's been a tough two years. I can't pretend it's been easy. But I'm a very optimistic lady. I think I will sing again. I hope to," she said. Born in Surrey, Julie Andrews shot to international stardom with 1964's hugely successful family musical Mary Poppins and The Sound of Music in 1965. She was also in the original Broadway versions of Camelot and My Fair Lady and she won a Tony Award nomination for the stage version of Victor/Victoria. But in 1997, after missing more than 30 performances of the show, she quit for good to have surgery on non-cancerous nodules in her throat. In the summer of 1998 she made a tentative step back to singing when she recorded the vocal part of Polynesia The Parrot for the London stage show Doctor Dolittle. But despite not having taken on any further singing projects, Andrews is determined not to let the grass grow under her feet. In Relative Values, she plays the part of the widowed English countess Felicity. She stars alongside Colin Firth, Jeanne Tripplehorn, William Baldwin and Sophie Thompson. After filming finishes in the spring she plans to go on to several other projects, including collaborating on a book with her daughter Emma and starting work on her autobiography. ********** This is the photo that accompanied the article. I'd say it was from the 1960s. ;-D

Another snippet from the TVTimes. Pam Ferris heads a cast including Colin Firth and Jodhi May for an ITV adaptation of the Henry James ghost story The Turn of The Screw, which is currently filming in London and Berkshire. No pics.

Welcome Peejay...do join in the the daily drool. Thanks Aishling....the guy must be commuting between Berkshire and the Isle of Man!

the guy must be commuting between Berkshire and the Isle of Man! Doubt it. From what you've said, Evelyn, his role in TTOTS is definitely small, probably of a cameo variety. We'll probably see his name at the end of the credits: "and Colin Firth" indicating a star-like cameo appearance. If anything, his part would take two days on the set. :(

Re. the cover for "Flash for Freedom"......No, it's not the one, Karen! When I say "provocative", I mean "provocative"! There seem to be several reprints of the Flashmans. The original copies that we already had on our shelves had covers like the one you scanned. Then there's a mid-nineties version, with a more cartoon-like Flashy on the covers, usually with naked women in the background. And now there's a 1999 reprint, much more attractive, with covers in a sort of parchment colour and illustrations of F ashy looking very gallant, in different costumes. I particularly like the cover for "Flashman in the Great Game". If you're ordering, ask for the latest reprint. From what you've said, Evelyn, his role in TTOTS is definitely small, probably of a cameo variety Not necessarily. It is an adaptation, and the Master could feature more strongly. If Pam Ferris has the lead role (ie not Jodhi May who plays the second governess) then it may be told through the Housekeeper's eyes and chronologically, ie back to the days of the arrival of the children and the first governess and Quint, when the Master did spend more time at the House. Otherwise, to be honest, I don't see how they can fill 2 hours! BTW, Nick Dear who did the adaptation (and "Persuasion") seems to be a serious "literary" writer. I noticed that he's credited with the adaptation of a Maxim Gorky play, being performed by the National Theatre ensemble,(which includes JE)

...Nick Dear who did the adaptation (and "Persuasion") seems to be a serious "literary"writer. I noticed that he's credited with the adaptation of a Maxim Gorky play, being performed by the National Theatre ensemble,(which includes JE) In this instance he even changed the title....it was originally known as "Summer People". So there is great hope that he will take the "literary liberty" of enhancing the uncle's (CF)part.TTOTS was supposed to take place in Essex...so he has already changed it to Berkshire.But I'm all for CF having a leading role in this despite possible major surgery to the original. I really don't want to discuss the implications of changing the roles ...because it is a mystery and we will be spoiling it Big Ti e. But I can see that it will be a spirited discussion...lots of ambiguities. (You think the "loft scene" in MLSF was ambiguous...this whole plot is..)

Call me dumb, but I really don't understand TOTS. One earlier film version (there have been a surprising number of adaptations) had the new governess mentally unhinged by sexual frustration (desire for the Master?...she certainly seems smitten!) Now that's my kind of plot...much better than wee ghosties and things that go bump in the night! Forgot to welcome you back, Moon! My elder son is currently youth hostelling in Italy and loving every minute of it. We're hoping to visit Florence later this year.

Thank you Bethan and Winter! Bethan, remember to tell your son if he goes to Lake Como there is a great one in Menaggio. You will like Florence in the wintertime it is quite tolerable, not too many tourists.

(Bethan)Call me dumb, but I really don't understand TOTS. Oh...I think Henry James did this on purpose...as in his other stories. Makes it more intriguing. There are many literary analyses of this particular book. And, interestingly, each case can substantiate their opinion. I think it's terrific esp if Mr. Dear amplifies the Master's part:-)

Welcome, peejay. I can't tell you how glad I am to see you here!! Linger and return at regular intervals, do. And by all means, put in your 2 - cents' - worth as often as you are moved to do so.!!

September 1st is upon us, time to start seriously planning Colin's Birthday Party to be held on topic 110 on September 10th. BTW, it is also the first year anniversary of CF.Com. Three cheers for the 3Deers! All the planning should take place on topic 72. See you there!

Encore is also celebrating ODB's birthday by airing Another Country (they must want to get the party going early since it's on at 7:45 a.m.--not exactly prime time). (Evelyn) But I can see that it will be a spirited discussion...lots of ambiguities. Speculate? Us? ;-P This will give us something to talk about besides Flashman, which, as KJArt pointed out, won't be before our eyes for some time. Even if the Master turns out to be a relatively small role, don't forget about the veritable feast of Firth available for our viewing pleasure later this year and next. Colin must be hot, hot, hot right now--he's been working nearly non-stop all year and has been involved with Blackadder, Londinium, RV and now TTOTS since June! Whew! I wonder if this was all in the works when he took his 'sabbatical' in Italy last year (searching the hills of Umbria for antiques...and Moon ;-)), or if SiL and 3DOR open d things up. Regardless, I'm thrilled he's working and has projects lined up into next year. ...and welcome, peejay!

I think it also has to do with the fact that Colin�s agent has become aware of the many firthettes out there. They have been made aware of CF.com and other sites and know of our resourcefulness in finding out what projects Colin is involved in even before there is any official press release. His agent finally woke up. Welcome peejay! (Eilleen), searching the hills of Umbria for antiques...and Moon ;-)), I wish! I don't know if I can talk DH into returning to Umbria every summer. He prefers the Dolomites. But my courage always rises, and I shall prevail. ;-)

BTW, Flashman might be one of his early hero's. In Italy the have Sagor and my DH has the complete collection. Imagine being able to become your childhood hero in the flesh.

(Moon) BTW, Flashman might be one of his early heroes. Shame it wasn't Superman. Am picturing the costume.... But, if the cherrypicker pants fit like a second skin, would be the same... ;-D

(Evelyn) But I can see that it will be a spirited discussion...lots of ambiguities. TOTS...It's all ambiguous...every single word of it! Don't read on if you prefer to make up tour own mind about TOTS or haven't read it ... I think the "Sexual hysteria" theory makes a lot of sense. I originally saw the governess as the heroine (rather stupid though) and the Uncle as uncaring. But on reflection I think the text bears out the theory that she suffers from sexual repression, infatuation (with the Master and the boy) and madness/evil. The children are always asking when their Uncle is coming, they write to him (but she keeps the letters), the Housekeeper is always suggesting they send for him...and before appointing the governess he was in the habit of coming to see them. The governess seems to deliberately set out to "acquire" the children, whilst fantasising about the Master. Af first I thought this was just another ghost story, but I'm now very interested to see how Nick Dear interprets this. But I think The Master has a crucial role to play (and hopefully more screen time), and I wonder how they'll handle the ending. Lots of scope for discussion, anyway. And TOTS has been discussed for seceral decades already...it even has its own Listserv discussion group!

TOTS..(Bethan)... think the "Sexual hysteria" theory makes a lot of sense. I don't entirely agree with your premise....but I don't want to give my impression till more people have read the book (maybe a new topic?).Anyway,spineless chameleon that I am,... I'm famous for changing my opinions once we start discussing the production.

Welcome Peejay

I just had a marvelous experience... I was watching a tape I made in absentia, a documentary on Jorge Luis Borges the Argentinian writer, and guess whose voice read the excerpts of his writings? Not credited, but I'd recognize ODB anywhere!

(Gi)....a documentary on Jorge Luis Borges the Argentinian writer, and guess whose voice read the excerpts of his writings? How exciting, Gi. I assume in English. He did a documentary called Bizzely's Mozart....about a dance company. I have it.... But it would put anyone to sleep....No inflections...just a monotone. He would do better , I think , with a literary piece. Is it poetry? (How I miss Ellen Armstrong's FAQ....she would have had all the details.)

Mmmmmm....what a lovely surprise that was, Gi!

What, Colin being boring, Evelyn?!

...What, Colin being boring, Evelyn?! Weeell, I didn't say boring...zzzzzzzzzzzzz Maybe, it was the "content" :-D You wouldn't need a sleeping pill :-)

Re: Bintley's Mozart Colin's narration is so minor. The first 30 minutes or so is about the choreographer and that's where Colin's narration occurs, between the interviewing. Then the last part is a performance of the ballet and there's no more Colin. I did have it on tape, but have subsequently taped over it. I do like to listen to my audiotape of "One Before the Last." That's anything but boring. All that heavy breathing!! ;-o

(Karen)The first 30 minutes or so is about the choreographer and that's where Colin's narration occurs, between the interviewing. Then the last part is a performance of the ballet and there's no more Colin. Maybe that's when you fell asleep :-D ... I do like to listen to my audiotape of "One Before the Last." That's anything but boring. All that heavy breathing!!. Now, ya' talkin'. But don't listen while driving....you'll go off the road:-)

And, Gi, what a shock that must have been to hear Colin's voice. Can't believe it was uncredited. How did it sound?

STOP THE PRESS....BIG NEWS!! Murph has a Big Treat for you tonight..... http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4144/news2.html (If you refer to this news on any other website pl. give Murph's page credit)

Murph had a surprise visitor to her website: a member of the crew from Turn of the Screw. Thanks Murph for sharing! *********** From Clive Derbyshire: "I just worked with Colin on "Turn of The Screw", so I thought I'd give you some info. "Turn of The Screw" is adapted from the novel of the same name by American author Henry James and is set in England in 1850. In the film we made most of the action takes place in the English countryside, at a big house called Bly, but there are a few scenes right at the beginning set in London and Colin is in just one of them - his only appearance in the film, though it's quite a long scene and Colin's character, The Master, is very important. We shot the scene on Saturday 31st July 1999 in Syon House, the London home of the Duke of Norfolk, I believe. It took us all day from 8 am to 7 pm. The only other actor in the scene was 24-year-old Jodie May, who plays "Miss", the lead role in the film. Everything went well: Colin is very very easy to work with, very professional and great fun too. We have a couple of friends in common so we spent quite a bit of time chatting, on and off set (I had lunch with him on our dining bus). The Production Company was Meridian TV, Director was Ben Bolt and the Sound Recordist was me, Clive Derbyshire. Right now, with filming completed on 22nd August, "Turn of The Screw" is being edited."

Thanks for sharing Murph! And you for posting Karen. It's great to see that so many in the business are aware of Murph's site as well as CF.com. They are done with care and love and you are appreciated. I wonder if Clive mentioned to Colin that he would be sending this info to us. I tend to think so. Keep up the good work!

Thanks to Clive, Murph, Karen and Evelyn (how alike great minds are--you were posting simultaneously!) for this juicy info about TOTS and Colin. and Colin is in just one of them - his only appearance in the film, though it's quite a long scene and Colin's character, The Master, is very important. Alas, Bethan, it looks as though the part of the Master won't be enlarged in this adaptation :-( Colin is very very easy to work with, very professional and great fun too Those words I love to hear...

....The Master, is very important. Alas, Bethan, it looks as though the part of the Master won't be enlarged in this adaptation :-( Actually, I'm impressed that Mr. Dear is being faithful to the original..and not getting relevant and make a romantic tale out of this...which it is not. It's hard to improve on Henry James! And indeed the Master is v. important to the plot...even though his actual screen time is small.IMO if Mr. Dear had enlarged the role, the character would not have been as important to the story.. (Confusing?...Read the book...only 120 pages.) Anyway, Karen has a good take on this role as being quite prestigious for Colin...I'll let her explain it.

sorry....got carried away:-)

I watched and ENJOYED Valmont on Showtime last night. This is the first movie I ever saw Colin in. Sremember in the beginning when he comes into the box with Annette Benning and Cecil I thought Wow, what a gorgeous smile this guy has." I still think that every time I see him.

I was watching a tape I made in absentia, a documentary on Jorge Luis Borges the Argentinian writer, and guess whose voice read the excerpts of his writings? Not credited, but I'd recognize ODB anywhere! Gi, this is an interesting find! Please, may we know the FULL AND PRECISE details? The title of the program, the maker/producer, TV/film company, year, where did it air as you recorded it? Anything else you know about it? Would you be able to make copies for those of us who want their Firth archives as complete as possible? (Audio copy only would be acceptable in this instance.)

I cannot tell you all the details right now because I'm out of Lisbon for the weekend, but will do so when I get back. I can, I think, borrow a VCR and make a few PAL copies to send...Indeed I shall be happy to do so. Audio? I never tried to make audio tapes from videos, but I guess I can make them too? I believe the program is Argentinian originally, because of the credited names, but this was an English voice-over version. Colin reads prose, but Borges's prose is beautiful and poetic (in any language).

..The Master, is very important. Alas, Bethan, it looks as though the part of the Master won't be enlarged in this adaptation :-( Actually, I'm impressed that Mr. Dear is being faithful to the original..and not getting relevant and make a romantic tale out of this...which it is not. Well, I'm ever the optimist (now, if I'd been the adapter, The Master would have been in every other scene!). But, seriously, I'm not surprised, and I actually agree with you Evelyn about the need for a faithful adaptation. From the date of the shooting (31 July), it looks as though Colin squeezed this in at the very end of Londinium, and the day before RV started. Nice to read Clive's remarks about TOTS.

I meant to add....Syon House, where Colin's scene (a long one, I hope!)was filmed, is in the Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew (reachable by Tube) and was built by Robert Adam and must have a fine interior. It is, I believe, open to the public. I'm taking TOTS as an extra and unexpected bonus! BTW has anyone noticed how in classic liteature the main character is almost always female...very few leading males (even fewer heroic), unless you venture into Conrad. Flashy may not be "classic" but he's one of the few male leads around! (and Mark Darcy, I suppose!... BTW when will they release casting info on thisone, they must know by now, and normally production companies are only too happy to publicise casting well ahead of the event!) Moon, my son is back from Italy. He absolutely loved Venice and Verona and Lake Garda, liked Florence and Rome (but wouldn't like to live in Rome...murderous traffic) but hated Milan. Overall though, he can't wait to go back!

has anyone noticed how in classic liteature the main character is almost always female...very few leading males (even fewer heroic), unless you venture into Conrad Interesting... Almost always? But first you would have to define your notion of "classic literature". Your observation might be substantiated to a degree by the proliferation of women writers in certain periods and genres, but in the general history of world literature male heroes are abundant.

Have started Flashman's Lady, but got bogged down with the cricket game. Argh! What is that game all about? Doesn't seem possible that a team could score 90+ whatevers in one inning.

I was at Kew Garden's a few days before! He might have been rehearsing then. Glad to hear your son had a great time Bethan. I can undrstand why he wouldn't like Milan. It is the business heart of Italy. (Once you get to know it well, it is very exciting though). (Gi), Colin reads prose, but Borges's prose is beautiful and poetic (in any language). I agree! I would like to have a PAL copy. Let me know. :-D

(Bethan) I'm taking TOTS as an extra and unexpected bonus! Quite right. Now if this were the only role he had taken this year, I'd be quite vocally disappointed. Considering this is his 7th(?) project in 1999, how can I complain?

(Evelyn) Anyway, Karen has a good take on this role as being quite prestigious for Colin...I'll let her explain it. Let's hear it,Karen,please. Don't keep us in suspense. Cricket is one game I cannot figure out at all, and I have tried in the past. I think you have to go to a game with an expert and have it explained while you are watching. I can't even tell the teams apart as everybody seems to dress alike. All I got out of Flashman's Lady is that Flashman was a much better bowler (pitcher?) than batter and that with skill, luck and cleverness, he got 3 excellent players out in a row, apparently a difficult, therefore memorable, feat. I am presently reading Flashman and the Redskins when Flashy is now 53, with a little grey in his whiskers but no belly. His feelings toward his wife after 35 years of marriage are most endearing and unexpected; Flashman is definitely a complex character. Loved the first part, especially when he is rescued by and then married to an Apache princess. Quite a different wedding night than in Royal Flash. These books are somewhat addicting; I wish Fraser had written more.

(Lynda) I wish Fraser had written more. I read at a Flashman site that "Flashman and the Tiger" is to be released in the UK in November. Re: prestigious I only meant that his limited cameo appearance in TOTS will be billed/credited as that for a big star most likely. You know how, when the opening credits run, it is based on who is the lead, etc.? Colin will likely have that last single- name-on-the-screen credit, prefaced by "and Colin Firth" which is reserved for big name stars in limited roles. While not quite the same, Jason Robards had that type of opening credit in ATA because based on the size of the role he would have placed third which would ot befit someone of his stature. Likewise Colin in TOTS, he would be way down. This way it shows his appearance is of a "star turn."

It was like that for Judi Dench in SIL, and she still pulled off the Oscar. ;-)

Thank you Karen for explaining the billing ...now let's hope they do it!...now will someone pleeeze read that book and not leave Bethan and me hangin' out there? (Bethan) Syon House, where Colin's scene (a long one, I hope!)was filmed, is in the Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew (reachable by Tube) and was built by Robert Adam and must have a fine interior. It is, I believe, open to the public. Thank you, Bethan.We hope to make a trek out there when we go in January.Wish it wasn't so far out. (And why not?...look at the gang that trekked out to Arsenal in March....in the rain!:-) Not me..(she said virtuously!)

FYI, MLSF is now playing at two suburban theaters in the Chicago area. Try using this place to find MLSF and if it is playing anywhere near you. All you do is (1) do a search for the movie and then (2) enter your zip code. BTW, I entered Evelyn's, Heide's and Moon's zips, but got nothing. Evelyn, if you try a zip in OK City, maybe something will turn up. http://www.moviefinder.com

Cricket is a wonderful game, I don't understand the problem. the only thing that where once we used to lead the world in cricket something seems to have gone horribly wrong, bring back Botham I say. (ladies in the US will have not idea who Botham is but he was one of our greatest all-rounders, could bat bowl and field brilliantly, could probably score a 100 runs on his own!!

Ann, we're just not familiar with the terminology and what goes on other than some guy throws the ball (bowler) and another guy hits it (batter). Having grown up on baseball, I can't fathom how anyone could score 100 runs in a single game. Perhaps, I should go look for a website that explains the game or a book. Missed the opportunity to have it explained to me. The asst. location mgr on the film here was British and a real cricket fan. That was the one who kept paying me for damage to my property! ; D

for batter read batsman, sorry to be nit-picky. I am the same with baseball, saw it once in San Diego and hadn't a clue, what is a home-run!?

Hohoho, am finally gonna have those incomprehensible two games explained to me... While you're at it, explain American football as well, will you? ;-)

But first you would have to define your notion of "classic literature". Your observation might be substantiated to a degree by the proliferation of women writers in certain periods and genres, but in the general history of world literature male heroes are abundant. (Arami) Ooo...er..now I'll have to think! I was referring mainly to 19th century lit, and was thinking more specifically of the novels recently given/being given costume drama adaptations. For example Mrs Gaskell's "Wives and Daughters" (Andrew Davies/Sue Birtwistle colloboration)...feisty females, wimpish males. But in the general history of world lit, you're quite right. I am presently reading Flashman and the Redskins when Flashy is now 53, with a little grey in his whiskers but no belly. His feelings toward his wife after 35 years of marriage are most endearing and unexpected; Flashman is definitely a complex character. Loved the first part, especially when he is rescued by and then married to an Apache princess. (Lynda) I've just finished "Flashman and the Great Game" (about the Indian Mutiny) and found it quite, as they say, un-put-downable. It's the one in which Flashy (most deservedly) wins his Victoria Cross and Knighthood. And I agree about Flashy and his wife...he does love her, and she loves him..and I like the way this is a consistent (and unexpected) theme. He's really quite sloppy and sentimental! He also has a healthy libido and is away from home for years on end... Cricket...well, baseball it ain't. Maybe we should start a new thread! BTW if Flashy gets a hat-trick (three wickets in a row) then he's pretty good!

hat-trick Yes, Flashy does get a hat-trick when he plays at Lord's with Tom Brown. Fraser provides the funniest *historical* rationale for how that term came to be coined. One of the opposition batsmen who he struck out (?) takes off his boater and presents it with a bow, saying "That trick's worth a new hat any day, youngster." Actually, the "trick" Flashy used was to protest the call on ball, knowing full well that the umpire was a fellow Rugbyite and their code of ethics wouldn't allow that someone would appeal a call without there being good reason for it. Flashy did it, knowing that the ump would reverse his call and the batter would then be out. I think I explained a situation about which I know nothing. 8:-D

Oh yes - baseball is incredibly easy: one, two, three strikes you're out. four balls and you take a walk to first base. A home run is when a ball is hit way out (usually into the stands in fair territory or outside the stadium) and the runner can run around all the bases to home. Football - a team gets four chances to advance 10 yards. If it keeps going, it will eventually get into the end zone. If not, the other team gets to try the same going in the other direction. Simple, is it not?

Well done Karen! BTW Murph has some intersting news about TOTs at her website...apparently Colin's one scene is about 10 minutes long. I call that a pretty decent cameo! And he should have some reasonable dialogue.

If you want and explanation of baseball and football get George Carlin"tape explaining the differences between the two games. Will we be seeing any of these many Colin TV shows and movies in the U.S. It bugs me to read about all these things he is doing and then face the possibility that I may never have the opportunity to see them. Is there any way we can find out if A& E or Masterpiece Theater will be showing Flashy or DQ or any of the above mentioned as TTOTS.

I used to play cricket years ago. My favourite game, I spend hours in the summer watching it. The pitch is between two wickets - 22yds long. The aim to bowl out the batsmen any way possible by hitting the wicket, by lege before wicket or by a catch. The batsman's aim is to score as many runs as possible. A ball running to the boundary is a four, a ball going high over the boundary is a six. All the other runs are scored by two batsman running between the wickets and score as many runs as possible wi hout being run out by the ball being thrown at the wicket. In a test match they play for five days, two innings each. The other is a one day match with 50 overs bowled - they hopefully the bowlers that is try to bowl maidens!!!!! I will carry on if any one is interested. Average scores can go from 400 to 100 or until all batsmen are out or at least 10 of them. Anne H

This would be more informative if you would translate wickets, overs, innings, ecc...:-)Thank you, AnneH, Karen :-) I don't want to bore everyone else with my questions, especially because I don't see any of those games often and will probably have forgotten the details when I do...But, Karen, what happens if they run 20 yards? Do they *all* have to move or can just one grab the ball and run? Can they not pass the ball and keep going, like in european football?