Thank you Karen.

I would like to see him do Hamlet since that is the role he played when he caught the eye of the producer who gave him his first stage role which turned into his first movie role. Another Country.

One little article by Helen Fielding will probably bring more attention to the existence of ODB than a thousand publicists (or ODB!!) ;-D

He is a master of the subtleties that is needed to play areally great Hamlet.

(Murph) I'd like to see him play George from "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf" Maybe in about 10 years. ;-D I've always maintained that Colin is really suited to many of Paul Newman's earlier roles (Sweet Bird of Youth, Long Hot Summer, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof)... or maybe it's just Tennessee Williams. But the Young Philadelphians works too.

(Arami)From an interview with Bridget Jones in today's This Is London (Evening Standard) : If money were no object, where would you like to live in London? Colin Firth's house. Where are you least likely ever to live in London? Colin Firth's house. Gosh, that woman so bravely speaks for us all... My! She is shameless just like some of us ;-) (KJArt)One little article by Helen Fielding will probably bring more attention to the existence of ODB than a thousand publicists (or ODB!!) I agree. But I'm afraid HF's flattering may keep ODB away and what would Livia think about her little comments?

Cathey and Ann, and anyone in OZ, when you next see MLSF could you please check out the running time? Do you have a different ending to the US version? Any additional scenes? (impossible to know this, I suppose!) As an ardent "Why aren't we getting MLSF" sleuth//theorist, I'm just wondering if there are different versions for different markets. MLSF must have taken a drubbing at its initial pre-view in the US and subsequently given a severe re-edit, losing 30 minutes ( a quarter of the movie)to make it less "boring"!! There were two versions of "The Advocate"...US/European....with a 15 minute difference in runnng time ( ie not just those sex scenes!) Could this be the case with MLSF?

But the Advocate was only shortened for the US market: with MLSF it seems I'll have to buy both versions of the video now...oh, bother. (Btw, the UK and US versions of The Hostages are also (slightly) different.) Colin is still too young for the male lead in Who's Afraid..., I'm afraid... But he's still not too old for Hamlet (Murph, wasn't Olivier about 40 when he made the film?) - and it seems like it's slipping away from him... what a pity! Especially that it's the only role which he has publicly admitted wishing for. But perhaps after the 3DOR triumphs, he will have a chance. About Helen Fielding's shameless longing for Colin (in her Bridget's guise): it may be a bit tiresome, but ultimately I hope they all - including Livia - can see the joke. From our point of view, it seems a bit unfair, though, because her status as a fashionable writer shields her from an accusation of "verbal stalking", "harassment", etc., which any of his "normal" (?...;-)) fans (like us here) would immediately be subjected to, if we drooled so openly.

Well said Arami! Maybe her lustre is a teeny bit tarnished after some reviews I have read, but it won't stop everyone buying the book. Do we have a date for the announcement of the BJD cast? Wait, I 'm probably on the wrong board!

The Australian Cinefile website lists MLSF's runtime at 93 min - the same as the in the US. Interesting though, in the Variety review (done after Cannes), it shows the RT at 97 min - probably draft press materials. Just noticed, that the shot used on the MLSF poster (US) is from the same scene as in the Australian handout, but you couldn't tell they were were pjs. ;-D

But the Advocate was only shortened for the US market: with MLSF it seems I'll have to buy both versions of the video now...oh, bother. (Btw, the UK and US versions of The Hostages are also (slightly) different.) Colin is still too young for the male lead in Who's Afraid..., I'm afraid... But he's still not too old for Hamlet (Murph, wasn't Olivier about 40 when he made the film?) - and it seems like it's slipping away from him... what a pity! Especially that it's the only role which he has publicly admitted wishing for. But perhaps after the 3DOR triumphs, he will have a chance. About Helen Fielding's shameless longing for Colin (in her Bridget's guise): it may be a bit tiresome, but ultimately I hope they all - including Livia - can see the joke. From our point of view, it seems a bit unfair, though, because her status as a fashionable writer shields her from an accusation of "verbal stalking", "harassment", etc., which any of his "normal" (?...;-)) fans (like us here) would immediately be subjected to, if we drooled so openly.

Colin is still too young for the male lead in Who's Afraid..., I'm afraid... But he's still not too old for Hamlet (Murph, wasn't Olivier about 40 when he made the film?) - and it seems like it's slipping away from him... what a pity! Especially that it's the only role which he has publicly admitted wishing for. But perhaps after the 3DOR triumphs, he will have a chance... Arami and all: Burton was 41 when he made Who's Afraid, and Olivier was 41 when he made Hamlet. Arthur Hill, who played George on stage in the original, was around 43 years old. So the age of all these actors above makes it feasible for CF to do both parts now. Sometimes, to me, in some pictures, he is an older-looking 39 year old. Murph Re Who's Afraid, my husband tell me Uta Hagen will repeat her role as Martha in a revival coming up. She was too young the first time for the role, and a bit old for it now!

Interesting question: In which play would you like to see Colin Firth. Actually the Tennessee Williams play I can imagine him most in would be "Night of the Iguana". I think he would also be quite effective in Arthur Miller's "The Crucible", and if he could cultivate a really good American accent, Thornton Wilder's brilliant satire "Our Town". CF could be very enjoyable in that old comic chestnut "Arsenic and Old Lace". (For those of you who know it better from the film, he would be in the Cary Grant role.) As for "Hamlet", he's not to old for the part yet. I saw Kevin Kline play it at the the New York Shakespeare Festival when he was in his forties. Although it seems that Jonathan Firth is more likely to be cast as Hamlet than is Colin; as JF is building up quite a resume of Shakespearian performances, (i.e., Henry VI, Romeo, Marc Antony), these things can be important when casting. Now as to Helen Fielding, because she is a relatively well know writer, being able to note things that the rest of can't, lest we be suspected of stalking. Drat. I did so want express my desire to check into a sleazy motel with CF and have a cheap and sordid affair over the weekend. Just kidding. As if CF could be cheap and sordid. Well only if he's acting and the part requires it.

I may be wrong but I think The Theatre Awards are only being shown on ITV London- check listings.

(CherylB) Although it seems that Jonathan Firth is more likely to be cast as Hamlet than is Colin; as JF is building up quite a resume of Shakespearian performances Yes, and didn't we in the US just recently have the honor of seeing JF play a fairy? Oh, no that wasn't Midsummer Night's Dream after all. I love baby brother, I love baby brother...just don't want to see him take roles that rightfully belong to big bro.;-)

(Murph) Sometimes, to me, in some pictures, he is an older-looking 39 year old. Hm... I still think he's a tad too boyish, even when wearing a dinner jacket and a frown... (CherylB) Jonathan Firth is more likely to be cast as Hamlet than is Colin I'm sorry, but it would be a travesty. Jonathan is quite an able actor, but is he truly acclaimed world class? Perhaps Jon has been a bit more lucky in his choice of repertoire (at least until recently...) But seriously, compare not WHAT, but HOW they have done, and Colin wins hands down. Even Colin as a fairy would be a far more stupendous performance. as to Helen Fielding, because she is a relatively well know writer, being able to note things that the rest of can't... As if CF could be cheap and sordid. I don't know about sordid, but cheap? How could she ever imagine it might be possible to buy into his house? (AnnW)I think The Theatre Awards are only being shown on ITV London You're right! Only Carlton will be showing it - other ITV regions are showing different programs! Horror!!! Can you imagine the impudence - they think the rest of the country doesn't deserve it!!! Whoever lives in the area, please get ready to record! And remember, I can do copies.

The Theatre Awards are not being shown in my area either (Meridian) but I will ask my sister and No.1 son to record it for me so that if one of them forgets I should have at least one recording.

Ann, I am out tomorrow but will record it!

Great, thankyou Allison, but its on Tuesday evening 7.30pm on Carlton.Fingers crossed for Colin, Jennifer and SD.

Plays to see Colin in--- How about "Closer"? Evelyn didn't you see it on Broadway? I saw it in the West End.

Fingers crossed for Colin, Jennifer and SD. Don't want to seem uncharitable, but my fingers are crossed only for CF and JE. CF's been pipped at the post before, and I'd like to see him win some serious recognition. Anyway, he may need it to counteract the Bridget Jones effect. Has anyone else read the sequel? I've given it a quick read and, overall, like it (will post impressions later at #80), but I can't decide whether it's good or bad for CF! He gets many mentions as himself (Bridget is still fixated on the wet shirt) and also appears as himself (the Independent interview, plus a very funny piece where he phones Bridget on her answerphone.) And Mark Darcy is very much a lust object....based on? OR is it just me who thinks he's based on...perhaps 99% of readers won't think this!! "He is lovely. Love looking at Him asleep. V. sexy broadshoulders and hairy chest.Not that sex object or anything. Interested in brain" He also has "firm, little buttocks"...although admittedly this is Tom's observation!! And then there's the bald patch... "I stroked his hair. I kissed his bald patch where his fur had been loved off" This is a reference to the fact that children always have one toy that they love more than all the others, even when its fur has been rubbed off, and the child still thinks its the most beautiful toy in the world, and can't bear to be parted from it. Mark Darcy is also described as "cuddly and vulnerable", oh, and "naked" in this scene. CF is included (with several others)in Helen's acknowledgements..."With thanks for...inspiration, feedback and support" Which is why, perhaps, a serious acting award wouldn't go amiss!

(Bethan) CF is included (with several others)in Helen's acknowledgements... "With thanks for...inspiration, feedback and support" I love it and can't wait to read the book. Mark Darcy was v.sexy in the book. The inspiration is obvious. Wonder how much feedback and support he provided? ;-D

And, btw, I've installed a new Main page for the Drool bucket repository. Thanks to Renate for finding the bucket. ;-D http://www.spring.net/~KarenR/mdbro/main.html

Wonder how much feedback and support he provided? ;-D This is insufferable, indeed! So why can't he provide feedback and support for the rest of us??? (Unless, of course, he really told her to lay off and she's sarcastic... it's possible, you know... ;-).)

Wonderful bucket Karen! Lovely work to brighten a dull and grey Sunday, thank you :)

Whoops, obviously the accolades that followed are invisible to all but the most devoted Firthettes!!

Love the dark bucket, Karen! One must dig deep to get the latest scoop, and that my dear you do very well, thanks!

For anyone who is interested, I've posted the main CF extract from BJ: the edge of reason at #80. Murph, please free to direct anyone to it! Had a look at the Sundays..I don't think there's going to be any promotion for SLOW. Posters in London?

Had a look at the Sundays..I don't think there's going to be any promotion for SLOW. Posters in London? If you saw the Optimum offices (and I use the term loosely) you wouldn't be surprised. But their heart is in the right place:-D

Hear Ye, Hear Ye... Last chance to vote for Murph's website.. Polls close on Monday evening, UK time. C'mon.... now's he's third ...behind Robson Green.!! Vote Early....Vote Often! http://britishtheatre.about.com/arts/britishtheatre/library/weekly/blabtwa-vote.htm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Colin didn't win. Dillane did. :-( Here's the article: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/hottx/top_review.html?in_review_id=230151&in_review_text_id=179044 And no play was awarded "best" play. What kind of awards are these? btw, the winners must have known, as Dillane's acceptance was on video.

(Karen) Colin didn't win. Dillane did. :( And nothing for Jennifer either. For spite, I'm not watching tomorrow night.;-)

And I was just about to go out in the cold and buy a copy of the ES. Shall stay in and reread lovely snippets from that discerning lady, Helen Fielding. At least someone out there has taste!

Bummer all around... IMO Pay Back Time: Hard for those judges to pass up a Tom Stoppard play and give it to a "foreigner". Remember how the British press went on and on during the Tony awards because "Amy's View" didn't win and "Sideman" did? (BTW..I agreed with them) They weren't about to give Richard Greenberg any recognition. And besides...I didn't think The Lion King qualifies as a Musical Play...a spectacle,ok. ~~~~ Oh no,....now I'll have to keep Mari and Karen from hurling tomatoes when we go to see TRT in January !:-D

Karen, congrats for the SLOW page! Content and looks are both very good. Colin didn't win. Dillane did. :-( I see it this way: ODB didn't win the award, but it can't be bad for him to have been on the shortlist for "best actor of the year". I'm sure this will be recognised by the right people, except his agent perhaps. ;-)

Colin didn't win. Dillane did. :-( I see it this way: ODB didn't win the award, but it can't be bad for him to have been on the shortlist for "best actor of the year". I'm sure this will be recognised by the right people, except his agent perhaps. ;-) :-( Is this award any indication of how the Oliviers will go? Mari, do watch it and tell us if Colin was there. Allison, Ann, Bethan, Arami or Lizza please tell us. Would he have gone knowing in advance that he did not win? They might have asked SD for a tape just in case he did win and was not able to attend.

I shall watch but I don't expect to see him.

You're not going to believe this!! MLSF has played (and may still be) in Spain. It's title is "Los Secretos de la inocencia" (Secrets of Innocence). A Madrid listing Cartelera (Oct 8) at: http://www.estrelladigital.es/Cartelera/paginas/cine_cartelera_madrid.htm According to this page, it is still there: http://www.interocio.es/cine/cines.htm (btw, Gi, Albufera cinemas are shown) Also, here's a review in spanish, with a couple of pictures of Irene Jacob and MEM we haven't seen. http://www.cinemagazine.com/cast/cartelle/S/secretos/secretos.htm Need better translator, but mentions "brilliant" cast they've assembled (Colin for Fever Pitch, I assume) and movie has sat around for 2 years and undergone much editing. Nothing about Colin's performance that I can figure out. ;-D

I am looking for two tickets for 3 DOR for Sat. Jan. 15th,evening performance. The Donmar Box Office only has singles available. If you have any for sale or hear of any, pl. email me. Thank you. evelyn

Oh, drat! And double drat again. How disappointing. I had my fingers crossed, but, have to say, when it comes to awards, the guy ain't lucky! Was there a short-list of nominations as such, or do they just announce "The winner is.." I agree with Allison...he won't be there (but someone please record it just incase! :-) I also agree with Evelyn...Richard Greenberg's actual play (as opposed to the performances) didn't get universal acclaim first time round, although second time around, Greenberg is getting more recognition, with references to his earlier work and standing in US theatre. But he's not British! Tut!

Bethan, I had already been to see MLSF (4th time) before I read your post so didn't take exact note of the running time, but estimate it to be around the 100 minute mark; sorry. From what I understand, the Aust. version had one short scene missed out (Edward & Moira dancing while Fraser doing talk over), but appears to have an additional scene at the end showing Fraser going off to boarding school, saying goodbye to his mother, sister and various servants and then stopping by the loch to say goodbye to his Dad who tells him he had looked up the meaning of fellatio in the medical dictionary and it was something he shouldn't start at boarding school (or something along those lines) Few extra looks at Colin (yippee). As far as I can tell, we have only had the 1920 version here. I will see it again when it comes to our local Art Theatre (hopefully before London) and will take particular note of the running time then.

Please forgive me Heide and Arami. I didn't mean that Jonathan Firth should be cast as Hamlet rather than Colin Firth. It just seems at this point in time JF has the stronger repertoire in classical theater. We all know CF would be the better choice. It does give one pause though that CF has never been cast professionally as Hamlet, while Keanu Reeves has, at the Stratford Festival in Canada no less. There was reasoning behind such apparent madness. Basically it was for the money his appearance would generate; that, and Reeves being Canadian. I won't be checking in on the conference for a few days, as I'm going off to visit my Mom for Thanksgiving. I plan to assuage my despondency over CF not winning the best actor award by stuffing myself with a turkey dinner. So to all of the other Americans on this list: I wish you HAPPY THANKSGIVING! To the international members, I hope you enjoy a great fourth Thursday in November.

the winners must have known, as Dillane's acceptance was on video. That *could* account for some of Colin's apparent lousy humour last week or the week before. Is this award any indication of how the Oliviers will go? I doubt it. But don't hold your breath. There's something about Colin which prevents him from getting more serious, formalized recognition. I'm not sure if it's down to luck alone. Would he have gone knowing in advance that he did not win? I doubt it. He once said he didn't enjoy those gatherings. They might have asked SD for a tape just in case They do go to some lengths to keep the final score secret, but I can't imagine asking *potential* winners for thanks in advance on video... What most probably happens is, the tapes with absentee real winners - who are "sworn" to secrecy - are blitz-filmed within 24 hours before the presentation ceremony. All right, CherylB, you are forgiven - just this once... ;-)

Having seen TRT four times and 3 DOR three...I can assure you that TRT is the better play. SD was brilliant..and if you remember Ann and I said in June that he would be Colin's competition for the awards.I do think that reviewers judge not only the actor's skill but also the play.Having said that, who the h*** is Jamie Dee and that play she won for!!(Shoots down all my theories)BTW Jeremy Irons won a Tony for Henry in TRT in NY. It is definitely a role that any actor would kill for. And why isn't Colin playing the role in Anna Karenina instead of SD? Instead of all the bits and pieces he's been doing this summer!

What is TRT? And what Anna Karenina are we talking about? And do you mean Vronsky and if so isn't he--dare I say it?--a little long in those lovely teeth for that role?

That *could* account for some of Colin's apparent lousy humour last week or the week before. He was in good humor the night I saw him...two weeks ago.

(Cybeline)What is TRT? And what Anna Karenina are we talking about? And do you mean Vronsky and if so isn't he--dare I say it?--a little long in those lovely teeth for that role? 1. TRT is The Real Thing 2. Anna Karenina : Read the article in the ES (Evening Standard)about the awards. Explains that SD (Stephen Dillane) is in Poland taping Ann Karenina and could not attend the awards presentation. 3. SD (look above) is the same age as Colin and no I don't think they are too old for Vronsky.Colin is really very youthful in person.

Evelyn - thanks for the explications. No question that ODB could do Vronsky beautifully--as what could he not?--esp since he likes playing cads. And he'd look gorgeous in a Russian imperial uniform. Just imagine the scene when little what's her name is waiting for him to ask her to dance the whatchacallit and he asks Anna instead (it's been a while since I read it!). Lots of swashbuckling, riding, and sex--it definitely has scope. Alas! Another question to the Firthettes in the Firth Circle. Nobody ever talks about MOTM--is it any good? Is it available on video? Where does it rank amongst his other works?

I read in an article that his political incorrectness goes against him with the establishment. Many held his playing the part of Robert so brilliantly in Tumbledown against him for some time. The writer who wrote it seemed to think that that was why he didn't win for Darcy.

(Evelyn)And why isn't Colin playing the role in Anna Karenina instead of SD? Instead of all the bits and pieces he's been doing this summer! 'Cos Livia wanted to be in London getting the new house straight. (Lucie)I read in an article that his political incorrectness goes against him with the establishment Can you remember which article this was? The theatrical establishment has very different standards from the political. I assumed only the latter had their feathers ruffled by Tumbledown. I think it is Colin's modesty that prevents him being recognised by his peers who decide these things. People often take you at your own estimation of yourself and Colin's self effacing manner may make him easy to overlook. It is interesting that the only award he received for P&P was from the broadcasting critics, not from BAFTA or any of the other luvvie organised groups.

Jamie Dee...best actress? Now there's a puzzler. She is currently starring in "Comic Potential" a new comedy by the very established playwright Alan Ayckbourne. Now, I only read the reviews (don't actually go-see!) and I remember the reviews were very modest...below par Ayckbourne. I don't recall reading anything memorable about the performances. To be honest, Vanessa Redgrave got much better reviews, so did Elizabeth McG (Don't wish to rub salt into the wound, but I was listening to "The Front Row", a radio programme, and their critic praised the cast of 3DOR, and then said that the "marvellous" EMcG was a cert for an Olivier nomination!) I agree with Arami and Allison...I just don't think Colin will get the nod of recognition from his peers. Remember the 5 BAFTAs for best actor awards for SIL - Tom Wilkinson had been nominated the previous year as well.

Continuing (how can you tell I'm supposed to be "working" from home!) As to the impact of political incorrectness, I don't know. But I was struck that at CF's recent protest outside the Houses of Parliament, he was accompanied by Corin Redgrave. CR has always been a political activist, and his career has suffered, especially when he was younger. He was banned from working for the BBC for over 10 years. Shouldn't think any of this matters now, though. As to the ES awards...I'm disappointed for Colin (would have actually liked him to play Henry, not SD!). I hope he'll play theatre again, and maybe be offered one of the more defining roles. I got the impression with 3DOR that he came into it a bit late (it was always "EM heads the cast") and may have been very nervous about the critics' reaction. Believe me, some of the critics would have loved to have roasted him.."Colin Firth may look good in a wet shirt, but can he act?".. Actors like Rufus Sewell, Al n Rickman, Nigel Hawthorne have recently had horrendous reviews, Ken Branagh has said he will never act on stage again because it's so difficult to even get out of bed after bad reviews..A. Hopkins said something similar. It's better to be a relatively unknown actor on stage. I think CF did more than okay, and without his best asset, which is his natural accent/voice! Must get on with my WORK! But this is more interesting! Felt a pang when I read that SD was doing Anna Karenina. Although it's Channel 4, and also the recent film version of "AK" flopped, and even in "Onegin" I get the impression that some critics are impatient with the life and loves of bored Russian aristos (don't they have a day job?) But I would like to see CF in a lead role in another serious slowly unfolding TV series/drama (the sort of work he used to do)! where he can develop a character...it's a out time he was offered something decent. There's a new Andrew Davies/Sue Birtwistle production on BBC next week ..Mrs Gaskell's "Wives and daughters", starring Francesca Annis..which is being advertised as "from the makers of P&P." AD and SB apparently had complete freedom to chose whatever they wanted, and again, can't help but wish they'd gone for something with a decent male lead role, not female-driven drama! I mean, I'm pleased that we'll see him on Boxing Day TV, but the acting honours/opportunities will go to Jodhi May, and it will be a mixed pleasure to watch...I shall probably end up getting hugely irritated and muttering at the screen about why don't they give him some real work for a change! Finally. I shall grit my teeth and watch Jonathan Ross's Film Night tonight, in the perhaps vain hope that SLOW will be featured, There's also a Movie programme on Channel 5 later in the week. Back to WORK!!!!

Huh! Drat those ES awards......and how dicouraging for Colin. Just opened the Guardian (am still trying to work! :-) and there's a full page coverage of the awards (Pics of SD and Jamie Whatsit). Headline..."West End's new plays disappoint"..."the judges for one of the top theatrical prizes decided not to award the Evening Standard best play award because nothing on the London stage deserved it...the decision was unprecedented. In the absence of a best play, the most promising playwright award went to the young American writer, for The Glory of Living, at the Royal Court (Who, what?) "The best actress award went to Jamie Dee, playing an android in Alan Ayckbourne's Comic Potential, where the performers won reviews far more glowing than the play itself (they were not glowing...for "glowing", read CF's reviews!) Destroys our theories. This will really get audiences rushing to the West End...and why do they have to do this when CF is performing in a new play (for no financial gain)for the rest of the year, poor guy. BU*G*R!!! Can someone cheer me up, or I'll never get any work done. Am going out! (And if Jonathan Ross, he of LCD taste, slags off SLOW (he will!), I'll throw a brick at the telly! Thank God for Helen Fielding!

Finally (and really am going out!), I hope CF doesn't read the papers...He's got to go on stage and perform this evening (which is more than critics have to do!)

I don't remember the name of the article or the paper, it has been too long ago.

(Arami), That *could* account for some of Colin's apparent lousy humour last week or the week before. Is there something we should know? How do you know he was in an apparent lousy mood? ( Evelyn), And why isn't Colin playing the role in Anna Karenina instead of SD? Instead of all the bits and pieces he's been doing this summer! Any excuse to be able to do Londinium. (sic) ;-) I will try to be obtimistic Colin was perfect for the part. WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING! Bethan, please cheer up where is your Firthette stamina? :-D Hopefully, we will know soon enough what his next project will be.

Have cheered up (a bit) and done about 10 minutes work. Shall be working til midnight at this rate. I'm not all that sure that "Anna Karenina"/Vronsky will be a good project. It's Channel 4 (average viewing figures about 2 million) and their last costume-type drama "A dance to the Music of time" flopped...I watched a couple of episodes and frankly, couldn't have cared less about what happened to the characters. Channnel 4 also did "Melissa" with JE, which ,I think, suffered from the same kind of artificiality. Also, AK is de-press-ing, Vronsky is a cad (actually I think Karenin (cuckolded husband) is a etter role), and we all know what happens in the end - she chucks herself infront of a train and gets squished. I like Mark Darcy (has warmth and wit) and Flashman, a cad, but warm hearted (sometimes), funny (is Vronsky funny?), sexy, and stays in love with his wife. If CF takes on these two roles, well, I'll forever hold my peace...if not, 'ware whinging!

Was getting as down in the dumps as Bethan, while reading about all the holiday specials on BBC and others, with Kate Winslet, HB-C, Rupert Graves, Charles Dance, Dawn French, et al...but finally a mention of Colin (no pic) in TOTS: Colin Firth and Pam Ferris join forces for a dramatisation of Henry James' The Turn Of The Screw, while Flint Street Nativity, by Tim Firth, stars Jane Horrocks, Neil Morrissey and Dervla Kirwan - who can also be seen in The Greatest Store In The World on the BBC. http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid%5F533000/533341.stm

Political incorrectness? I would call it political activism instead (as Bethan references Corin Redgrave). Surely a trip to Sainsbury's for a pic with a toilet brush (OK, the chain-wrapped gig in front of Parliament was a bit more active) wouldn't be considered incorrect, would it? I would think it takes alot more (e.g., insulting the handicapped) to be incorrect enough to lose an acting award. I'm with Evelyn--he's got stiff competition, that's all. As for his future projects--even if he doesn't get the juiciest parts, at least he's not (thus far, Londinium pending) been involved in any real dogs. I have fond memories *cue sarcasm* of Rafie boy cavorting around with giant bears in 'The Avengers.' What was he thinking?

New SLOW review. Not good but I loved the "Chateau Firth"!! ;-D http://www.spring.net/~KarenR/mdbro/slow2.html And you're quite right, Eileen, this is political activism and not incorrectness. I think he suffers from "pretty boy" or "heart-throb" syndrome to the critics (who were the only ones to vote on this award).

(Eileen) I have fond memories *cue sarcasm* of Rafie boy cavorting around with giant bears in 'The Avengers.' What was he thinking? LOL! *snicker*

(Bethan)...radio programme, and their critic praised the cast of 3DOR, and then said that the "marvellous" EMcG was a cert for an Olivier nomination!) (The sound you hear is me throwing-up!) ~~~~~~ ...this is political activism and not incorrectness. In UK this might be viewed as same. (Bethan)Channnel 4 also did "Melissa" with JE, which ,I think, suffered from the same kind of artificiality. Baaaaad screenplay by Alan Bleasdale, bad dialogue, costumes ...a cheap-o production.Five episodes...Jennifer got killed in #4 and I never went on to #5. (Bethan)This will really get audiences rushing to the West End...and why do they have to do this when CF is performing in a new play (for no financial gain)for the rest of the year, poor guy. Not to worry....I called Donmar yesterday to inquire about tickets for a friend.Only a few singles left for weekend nights...they are virtually sold out. As for Alan Rickman whining about bad reviews in Anthony& Cleopatra a year ago...he deserved them. I was in London at the time and considered going...had breakfast with folks who had seen it the night before and said the guy stood around like a potted palm. CF excepted...but some of these celebrities think that all they have to do is show up on stage and the critics are going to rave...not true.Antigone just folded with Tara Fitzgerald because it was a poor performance.

I think I meant "political activism"! BTW, incase I wasn't clear, I didn't intend to imply that CF's political "activities" have any bearing on awards, or to detract from Stephen Dillanes's achievement. Also, re. the ES awards, I just feel very annoyed at the way the news was presented, as though this year was an "annus horribilis" for London drama. It does an injustice to all the many good actors currently at work in the West End. The Film Review review...I think that was the one (1 star)that Ann caught a glimpse of. I've never seen Film Review on the newstands. Ouch, though. The "uniformly excellent acting by the Nigerian cast"(presumably let down by the Brits!!) Is the comment on CF justified? CF often gets mixed reviews...I prefer to judge for myself. I've a meeting in London next week, and am hoping to sneak off to see SLOW, just incase it doesn't reach the provinces, despite all indications to the contrary! The Xmas TV fare is very weak...CF's 10 minutes may be a standout. BTW thefilm "Revengers Tragedy" with H B-C, Rupert Graves etc has been sitting onthe shelf for yonks, longer than SLOW, no distributor. Part funded by the BBC. If (as Evelyn mentiones) SLOW is also part funded by the BBC, we should see it on TV, maybe next year. Being positive!!! How do people work from home? How do people work at home?

I think I meant "political activism"! BTW, incase I wasn't clear, I didn't intend to imply that CF's political "activities" have any bearing on awards You didn't, Bethan; the point was brought up earlier. Do the ES awards carry very much weight? Are they what the Golden Globes have become to the Oscars?

Do the ES awards carry very much weight? Are they what the Golden Globes have become to the Oscars? I should have thought no and no. ES is a London only paper. The Oliviers are more prestigious. Well, from tonight's ES - how the judges arrived at their decisions! Best Actor This was one ot two really hard fought categories which went into a second round. Nicholas de Jongh declared it the best list of Best Actors this decade "Quite astonishing performances and not by the usual collection of actors either". ....... Several judges praised CF's understated performance in 3DOR. Susannah Clapp [of the Observer] thought his change form "very neurotic to a milldly ruffled person" exquisitely done. De Jongh agreed: "He shares with Stephen Dillane an ability to convey nuances of deep feeling without putting them on the surface". But the final battle was fought between Michael Sheen, Stephen Dillane and Henry Goodman..... Best Actress No mention of JE or EMcG!!

Cymbeline: Nobody ever talks about MOTM--is it any good? What a question: It's the best! Some find it a bit depressing, but I think this tv movie, the whole cast, script, use of music, light, landscape, everything is just brilliant, and I would also say so if it hadn't Colin in it. Is it available on video? No. But it was on US tv at least two times, as far as I know. Where does it rank amongst his other works? Very very high, IMO - one of the 3 best. Which the other two are varies depending on my mood, but MOTM is always among them. ;-) If you want to see some pics and reviews, here's is our presently unconnected archive: http://www.colinfirth.com/html/arch-mo.htm

Best Actress No mention of JE or EMcG!! Oh s***. I wouldn't line my garbage pail with the ES!So there! ~~~~~~ About CF:DeJongh agreed: "He shares with Stephen Dillane an ability to convey nuances of deep feeling without putting them on the surface". See, I told you....same understated acting style....but because Henry in TRT is a better part, it showed SD's acting skill in a better light. evelyn, feeling v. smug....

Cutting to the chase: But the final battle was fought between Michael Sheen, Stephen Dillane and Henry Goodman.... So Colin came in fourth!! This is a greater slap than I had imagined. Better not to have known the "behind the scenes". *am now v.mad, as opposed to just plain mad*

Karen, they mentioned four other actors who did not get to the final reckoning, so Colin could have been 8th!!! Others included Simon Russell Beale (whom I think is terrific), P O'T and Charles Dance (were his reviews that good? Answer - no!)

Actually Karen, Colin's in very auspicious company....I'm glad his name has been singled out for mention, and I think he'll be flattered by the company he's keeping (Charles Dance didn't get good reviews though) Also, Simon Russell Beale Michael Sheen and Henry Goodman are actor's actors...they are never going to be heart-throb movie stars! The fact that CF can move between these two worlds is commendable! Interesting that Susannah Clapp of theobserver supported him...I remember her review...I think she called him "amazing"I wonder if it's a male/female thing.

Hi, I just thought I would compare the winners of last year's Theatre Awards to see how like-minded the Awards are and dthey do seem pretty uniform:- ES Theatre Awards 1998 Best Play Copen hagen Best Actor Kevin Spacey Best Actress Sinead Cusack and interestingly there was no Award for Best Comedy in 1998 Critics' Circle Theatre Awards Best Play Copenhagen Best Actor Kevin Spacey Best Actress Sinead Cusack Oliviers Best Play The Weir Best Actor Kevin Spacey Best Actress Aileen Atkins The state of Theatre is a bit worrying the following plays have all posted early closing notices, Antigone, Quartet, 2Pianos 4 Hands and today A Saint She Aint. So I am pleased that the three producations that CF & JE have been invloved in have all been huge successes and have been extended. At least Jennifer can take comfort from the fact that she was connected to two of the Award Winners, -m Trevor Nunn and SD. There is a review for SLOW in the TV Times not very good again, but who cares I loved it and I am glad Bethan that you may be able to see it soon and I look forward to hearing what you think of it. Also I have to say that I think it is a little dishonest of ITV to promote TTOTS by featuring CF so prominently because any CF fans who are no in the know and should happen to miss the first 120 mins will be furious. Finally Allison just out of interest, but does it mention in the paper the names of the actress considered for the Best Actress Award and if so who were they.

120mins should of course, read 10mins

(Bethan) Simon Russell Beale Michael Sheen and Henry Goodman are actor's actors...they are never going to be heart-throb movie stars! The fact that CF can move between these two worlds is commendable! I am sorry to disagree with you Bethan. But I just saw Henry Goodman and Simon Russell Beale in Summerfolk at the National two weeks ago. Now, both of them might have a more solid theatrical background than Colin (read: older). But Goodman played Shalinov, the writer, and Russell Beale played a doctor...neither part can compare to the dual role that Colin undertook in 3 DOR.He might be in auspicious company...but his portrayal was far superior to the other two. I don't see that as an accolade. And to put Charles Dance before Colin's role which consistently received superb reviews is a travesty. IMO the ES awards have all the validity of the celebrities 1000 .com website poll!!!

Do not panic! I have just been watching the awards on television. they are still going on and I am recording it but it was fairly boring! Evelyn - JE was there! I wonder if she knew she was not going to get a mention? There is a quick shot of her arriving. Colin would have known that he had not won because the recording of Stephen Dillane was apparently done a while ago, I got the impression, and he was filmed at the Donmar! They announce the shortlist for each category and Colin WAS in that group. He was mentioned first with a big screen saying 3DOR bhind the announcer's head. He said that there had been an large number of wonderful male performances and described Colin's performance as "amazing". At least that is what I remember. I would have to go back and look. Ann, I shall have to go back to the tape to see who they mentioned. In the ES article they mention Emma Fielding, Sheila Gish and Hayley Carmichael. Tho' I am not sure that any of these were mentioned in the programme. I got the feeling that they felt the male performances were more deserving of mention. Will go back and watch!

Sorry, for my mini-rage....told you my day would come. It is Here! ~~~~ Bottom Line: Colin's acting talent is not taken seriously despite the excellent reviews.He is still viewed as a heart-throb which is incongruous with a good actor, it seems.

Oh Evelyn, I think I disagree! He was a finalist in a strong field. As you said if he had been in a stronger play.... I liked 3DOR but it is a small scale work, and so cannot be compared with many others. BTW Ann, the female finalists mentioned were Emma Fielding and Hayley Carmaichael.

(Evelyn) Oh s***. I wouldn't line my garbage pail with the ES! So there! Hee hee! (Allison) Several judges praised CF's understated performance in 3DOR. Besides Clapp, DeJongh and others, Benedict Nightingale was also a judge. If I recall correctly, in March he praised Colin but called the play a 'diaper drama'. Last Sunday Benedict wrote a London theater update for the NY Times. 3DOR was mentioned, as it should be--then he gushed about EMcG. It must be the slip, Karen. I understand the Oliviers are analogous to American Tony Awards, Allison. But do these ES awards get the whole buzz phenomenon going? Thanks for the look back at last year's awards, Ann. (Bethan)...they are never going to be heart-throb movie stars! The fact that CF can move between these two worlds is commendable! Good point!

Allison, were there only two nominees for the Best Actress and who is Hayley Carmaichel and what was she in. I would have bet my last dollar that JE would at least have been nominated after the superb reviews she received, they were out of this world - best performance of her career, luminous etc. BTW I am glad you watched it Allison as my dear sister has just telephoned to say for some reason their video did not work!!!

Renate - Thanks for your answers re MOTM. Was it a TV production in Britain and therefore never released as video? Arghhh! I wish there were some channel that would let Americans see all the good stuff from the UK. I shall go look at the archived material.

two other nominees - Allison

Cymbeline, I was channel surfing on a Saturday night more than a year ago when I came across a close up of CF's face. I usually check the TV Now site for CF programming and couldn't believe I missed a prime time listing. Well, it was a local (Long Island) PBS station and the show was listed in the TV Guide only as 'Ruth Rendell Mysteries'--not which one. So I managed the miss all but the last 15 min. :-( So I suggest you check with the PBS station(s) in your area.

I love this!! A blow-by-blow account of the ES Drama awards as it is being televised! Thank you, Allison. (Bethan) The fact that CF can move between these two worlds is commendable! Not enough. ;-p If these bozo (err, theatre critics) really want to send a message about the state of affairs of West End theatre, then they better put some muscle into the boxoffice. As you said earlier, how many fine actors have said they wouldn't set one toe on the boards because of the reception they get from the critics? Colin is more than a "fine actor." If they had named him Best Actor, that might signal a more receptive attitude toward screen actors appearing live on stage. Whe her those solid (read, old) actors were more deserving and represent enviable company is not the issue. Bringing bodies into the theater through name recognition is the thing. If you don't get people like Colin to reinvigorate the legit stage, all you will see is Saturday Night Fever and the Lion King. *rant over* Little blurb in Variety about the awards, which was mainly about the Lion King, but said Dillane's award might help the Broadway boxoffice when TRT come to NY. OK, have now purchased my boxes of Jello and the pancetta. (not for same dish) Must start cooking for Thanksgiving.

On Master of the Moor, you're right, Eileen. That Long Island PBS station has broadcast it several times (evidently it is the anchor station for that series); it has also turned up in Providence, RI; and Seattle (I think) - all within the past year. Have cancelled my membership to local PBS station and am withholding my enormous $40 contribution until they broadcast the show! ;-D

(Karen) Bringing bodies into the theater through name recognition is the thing And rewarding film actors for stage work will increase the quality of the films made. I firmly believe that willingness to continue stage work separates the thespian sheep from the goats--the ones who only make movies turn out to be only movie stars not actors (terrible generalization I know; am prepared for barrage of arguments to the contrary.) Anyhow we all know that CF himself made Playmaker for the money and repudiated it practically before it was done. Why can't he make a decent living on the stag ? Slap yourself, Cymbeline, if he did that most of us would never see him at all. have now purchased my boxes of Jello and the pancetta. (not for same dish). Pancetta aspicata--magnifico! Per favore, la ricetta per tutti di noi! Happy Thanksgiving to all on the west side of the pond.

(Allison)Oh Evelyn, I think I disagree! He was a finalist in a strong field. Thank you Allison for giving us "instant replay" of the awards.It was v. exciting. I guess, I'm just such a competitive person... either I win ... or I I don't find consolation in losing with Martin Sheen or Henry Goodman. Anthony Hopkins, OK. However, to their credit SD was always a strong second with us. Rant Over.Thanks again:-)

Should read: I guess, I'm just such a competitive person... either I win ... or I lose.

Arami), That *could* account for some of Colin's apparent lousy humour last week or the week before. Is there something we should know? How do you know he was in an apparent lousy mood? Didn't he go out the back door and avoided the foyer completely on the second Saturday evening? And on another night around the same time he appeared unusually agitated and not paying much attention to what was said to him. I don't know why, I'm only guessing here. I think he suffers from "pretty boy" or "heart-throb" syndrome That's part of the problem, yes. Stephen Dillanes's achievement That reminds me - some years ago SD toured the country with an acclaimed London production of Hamlet in which he played the pretended madness scene completely and without blinking an eyelid - in his birthday suit. That's one of his claims to fame... Don't misunderstand me: it was a good production, but the most powerful memories I have concern the size of his nuances which were all on the surface, plus quite a deep feeling... Call that art? (No, I'm not trying to prove anything - it's just an aside to che r you up!) JE was there! I wonder if she knew she was not going to get a mention? I doubt if she cared. She probably likes such galas, contrary to Colin. Now, that could be one of the reasons why they didn't stay together. Colin's acting talent is not taken seriously despite the excellent reviews.He is still viewed as a heart-throb which is incongruous with a good actor, it seems. Evelyn, it sounds like you were blaming his fans... So should we all stop admiring him now and remove ourselves from the path of his career? ;-) (Or try to look at it positively: he is very often mentioned with the best of them. And for us he's always the tops, regardless of what anyone can say...:-))

Here's another longish review of the "Edge of Reason" on the This Is London site - not too favourable. Brief Colin mention. http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/lifestyle/top_review.html?in_review_id=230176&in_review_text_id=179070

(Arami)SD toured the country with an acclaimed London production of Hamlet in which he played the pretended madness scene completely and without blinking an eyelid - in his birthday suit. Hmmm.... I wonder if we could convince ODB to do this...

Thank you all for the information. Ann if we go by last year, it looks like SD will take the Olivier. I believed that Colin did 3DOR for a chance to win an Olivier. And, if as you said Allison SD taped his acceptance speech from the Donmar, Colin might have been a witness to it. And hence the alledge bad mood that Arami suggested. SD was marvelous in TRT, I knew he would be hard competition for Colin once the awards came round. I wonder how soon Colin will jump at another play after this let down?

(Allison)JE was there! I wonder if she knew she was not going to get a mention? (Arami)I doubt if she cared. She probably likes such galas, contrary to Colin. Now, that could be one of the reasons why they didn't stay together. Nothing could be further from the truth. She is v. retiring and shy..a v. private person. As is her mother RH....Actually she and CF are v. much alike.I have always said that had they stayed together, they would have gone to live in a cave in the Hebrides. ~~~~ Colin's acting talent is not taken seriously despite the excellent reviews.He is still viewed as a heart-throb which is incongruous with a good actor, it seems. (Arami)Evelyn, it sounds like you were blaming his fans... So should we all stop admiring him now and remove ourselves from the path of his career? ;-) Not at all. I was referring to the theatre critics who view him just as a heart-throb.However, now that you mention it...I wonder if all the hoop-la in the new Bridget Jones book will enhance his serious acting reputation.I dunno.

sorry for the italics. I just closed them

(Karen) Whether those solid (read, old) actors were more deserving and represent enviable company is not the issue. Bringing bodies into the theater through name recognition is the thing. I beg to disagree. You seem to be talking about popularity, but the issue is, who is considered the tops at a given time. The real problem is, who is bestowing awards and why; how we (they) measure excellence. Ultimately these affairs are always a compromise. Furthermore, compared to Colin's previous theatre appearance, this is bloody marvellous: he was acknowledged as an acceptable Chatsky, but the production wasn't a success. That was in 1993: and now he suddenly pops up on stage six years later for a quick stint - and you expect an award? Just try and forget for a second that you're a fan and imagine you are one of those hard working actors for whom theatre is the main source and means: for them, and for the critics, Colin is probably just a passing visitor an usurper who admittedly gives an exceptional performance, but is not wholly or sufficiently enough of theatre. In that light, naming him as one of the top stage performances of the year is a great accolade. (Evelyn) Nothing could be further from the truth I still say (as someone who spent half of my life among the acting fraternity) that there is an awful lot we, the fans and audiences, do not really know.

Just wasted 30 minutes of my life watching Jonathon Ross Film Night (never, never again)...previewed the new Bond, a Johnny Depp movie and a re-release of Scrooge,. Then we had an interminable interview with Somebody Bunker, who played Mr Blue in Reservoir Dogs . No SLOW, no Colin. Didn't surprise me, but with "reviewers" like this, what chance has he got? Ann, I wouldn't bother about the SLOW reviews. I'm resigned to them not being very good. But to put things in perpective, have you seen the reviews for virtually every single British film release over the last few months. Awful. And the ones that are good (like "Ratcatcher") sound so depressing, I wouldn't cross the road to see them!! I've said this before, reviewers are an unnecessary barrier and reflect their personal preference. I prefer to make up my own mind! Helen Fielding's new book has had indiff rent reviews...but I'm really enjoying it! And I'm faily sure that if the BBC co-funded SLOW, it will get a TV screening (and television, in the UK certainly, is Colin's natural audience.) Shall scutinise the credits. Just caught a pre-view of the "new P&P".."Wives and Daughters"...and one thing I can tell you, there's no Darcy and no Lizzie. Justine Waddell (in everything these days is rather insipid, and the male lead is Iain Glenn, who has very cold eyes and looks silly in a stove hat, plus there's another actor, pretty-ish and about 5'2". It will probably be very well acted, but i have to say that my immediate reaction was just "oh, yet another costume drama". P&P was unique! Reminds me, didn't Iain Glenn strip to the buff with Nicole Kidman in the Donmar. Given that the Donmar appears so intimate, I almost wonder how they could. There's a lot to be said for fully clothed "allure"!

(Arami)I still say (as someone who spent half of my life among the acting fraternity) that there is an awful lot we, the fans and audiences, do not really know. That not only holds true for the" acting fraternity"but for any couple who splits up.

Yes, of course, but I was thinking about more things than one. Like what sort of a person an actor really is in private, away from the public scrutiny.

SD...played the pretended madness scene...in his birthday suit...but the most powerful memories I have concern the size of his nuances which were all on the surface... Interesting that you should notice his nuances (never heard them called that before). How big were they? ;-D You seem to be talking about popularity Not at all. I'm talking cold hard economics. If these critics want to make a statement about the future of theatre in Britain beyond the spectacle of musicals and "events," then there has to be a reason for people to go to them. Those critics rewarded "tried and true" plays. Colin's play represented something new; each of the other shortlisted best actor noms was in a play that had been done before. Is that the message? You must perform in the old warhorse productions? No, they should be rewarding ew works and exceptional performances. How many times can they give an award to somebody for Hamlet? The argument that Colin should feel honored to be in that company sounds like the tripe most AA nominees spout about "how it's really the honor of being nominated" when interviewed. Do you really think any of them actually believes that? They want to win. Just being in that august company only goes so far. Besides, if you think giving an award to either of those two other guys would sell one more ticket... I don't think so. *maybe my mind is fogged by the fact that we are in November sweeps here and all the stops are being pulled out by every network* ;-D

Moon: And, if as you said Allison SD taped his acceptance speech from the Donmar, Colin might have been a witness to it. In fact, SD said that he wanted to accept the award "on behalf of everybody here at the Donmar." Since he's now in 3DOR there, was this a potential tacit admission that CF deserved to share (or win) the award? Only joking (probably)...

Just sighted! SLOW posters on the Tube! Colin in black suit and trainers, Nia Long in sunhat, smiling. Quotes from Harpers and Queen and somewhere else which I could not read (I was on the train at the time, trying to read posters which were on the platform!)

(Mark), In fact, SD said that he wanted to accept the award "on behalf of everybody here at the Donmar." Since he's now in 3DOR there, was this a potential tacit admission that CF deserved to share (or win) the award? Poor Colin! Talk about keeping a stiff upper lip! SD behaved like a gentleman under the circumstances, but, let us not forget that it is thanks to TRT at the Donmar that he will be starring on Broadway.