Poor Nick Hornby, here he is trying to promote his NEW book, and all people are asking him about is Colin Firth!!!! He's probably on the phone to his publicist telling him to promote HIM!!! :)

Maybe "Concentic Circles" found that they couldn't actually afford to mount the production... a failure to secure any kind of Arts Council grant. (Wot, another Hamlet?) ... It is all very possible and quite likely - as are several other considerations including the fact that it would be a big time gamble as far as professional theatre critics are concerned. We know that Colin would be bloody brilliant and playing to full houses, but those critics can be unpredictable and merciless. Not that it could be one of the actual reasons for abandoning the project, but this kind of reflection *might* have made the decision easier.

The RSC were suppposed to be giving well-known actors the opportunities for short contracts, but I should think it's a closed shop. I have a big picture of Colin giving Trevor Nunn the shaft like he did Christopher Fettes. ..but those critics can be unpredictable and merciless. Not that it could be one of the actual reasons for abandoning the project, but this kind of reflection *might* have made the decision easier. Chicken...he decided to bolt because he was afraid of the critics..

Rubbish! He is an actor. He can deal with the critics! Where do you come up with that stuff?

Ooof, did you ever stumble into the wrong place to say that?! (Some are very protective of the gentleman in question!)

Chicken...he decided to bolt because he was afraid of the critics.. *He* is the one who wanted/decided to do this..it's *his* project, together with his mentor Christopher Fettes. He knows what the critics are like and that "heat-throb actors" can be unfairly savaged. But he's a very good actor, who always gives a good performance. SRB has had very good reviews, but no-one else has had good reviews recently for any Shakesperean performance. But they still perform, and audiences still go to see them! If actors worried about the critics, they'd never do anything! Perhaps we're reading far too much into all this. NH's "Too many Hamlets" could just be a glib throw-away comment. As the Man Himself said, he has film commitments (why are we doubting this?- dates often seem very fluid and unpredictable, but once it's all go, it's all go)) and he is looking into other possibilitities of working with Concentric Circles. Which could mean rescheduling Hamlet to a more convenient date. I would hope that he really has some good film offers and we'll see him in the leading roles on screen which he deserves. And then, "Hamlet". I have a big picture of Colin giving Trevor Nunn the shaft like he did Christopher Fettes. I'm sure that Christopher Fettes will have supported CF in his decision and they'll have discussed it together. If, for once, CF is finally getting some decent screen offers, he should take them (they may not come again) and establish himself as a bona fide leading man (not a cameo player to the Fiennes). He can then do as much theatre work as he wants. Finally (my last word! :-)) I can't believe CF will be happy about this. What did he say?... "my worst fears have been fulfilled". Why should we think otherwise?

Why should we think otherwise? I do agree with what you say Bethan. I am sure that Colin would not be scared off by the possibility of the critics alone. Though this is a critical point in his career I imagine and to give up on lucrative and high profile film work at this time to appear in a potentially "interesting" Japanese influenced production of Hamlet in what is not much more than a shed in W6 might be considered foolish. I suspect that Colin underestimated the effect of BJD and Conspiracy and the Hamlet was an idea to show that he was more than Darcy as well as being a part he had always longed to play professionally. The stakes are just too high right now. The fact that he might have underestimated the effect of his recent work is to his credit. Surely we like him because of his lack of vanity and ego.

I suspect that Colin underestimated the effect of BJD and Conspiracy and the Hamlet was an idea to show that he was more than Darcy as well as being a part he had always longed to play professionally. I think you've hit the nail on the head, Allison. BJD could easily have gone the other way for him (the BJ backlash)and I'm sure he would have anticipated/expected this - mediocre box office returns and "Colin Firth reprises Darcy..."yawn" ". As it is, the success of BJD in the UK alone is staggering (�40million and still drawing in the crowds) and the Emmy nom for "Conspiracy" means that he is taken seriously as an actor. Japanese influenced production of Hamlet in what is not much more than a shed in W6... I had wondered if he was "underselling" himself in terms of location (unless Riverside offers more flexibility for staging.) Most "stars" head automatically for the West End, and short runs are possible (any production headed by Colin Firth and Geraldine James would sell out). By contrast, the Malvern Theatre and Oxford Playhouse are both "conventional" theatres...Malvern seats 800.

(Bethan) NH's "Too many Hamlets" could just be a glib throw-away comment. That was my take on the comment too. he has film commitments (why are we doubting this?- Because he didn't have film commitments when he planned his stage appearance. No one did, not even the A-list stars. The strike was pending and nothing was set for 2002. Whether he has a film commitment now is almost irrelevant. The point is that he didn't when all the wheels were set in motion for his stage appearance, and commitments were made by the theater, director, the production company, tickets were sold, etc. Time and money were expended by individuals and businesses. But I guess that's the cost of doing business. dates often seem very fluid and unpredictable, but once it's all go, it's all go As opposed to theater, where it's only a go until a better offer comes along. He can then do as much theatre work as he wants. It's not as if all the theaters and directors are just waiting for Colin to pick up a phone and give them a call. He hasn't paid his dues in serious theater for a long time. 3DOR, while good theater and receiving good reviews, wasn't considered a serious work in London, rightly or wrongly, that's a fact. It didn't get stellar reviews or important awards. It was a great step for Colin, an important one, but it still didn't legitimize him as an important or serious theater performer. Whether he ever achieves that image (similar to Ralph Fiennes or Kenneth Branagh) remains to be seen. But the material point is that he certainly won't have theater doors open to him because of his body of work and his professionalism. They may be open to him because of his star power, but then let's not complain about stunt casting in the future. Had he mounted a successful Hamlet, then he could have written his own ticket, imo. Many of the theater heavyweights (RF, KB) can call of lot of their shots, because they've formed long-term friendships and alliances with directors and companies. There's an element of trust, not to be underestimated. Perhaps the likes of RF, KB, Dench, Jacobi, etc. have backed out of commitments at this stage, and if they have, then I shall stand corrected and publicly apologize. But a commitment is a commitment. If we, his fans, are taken aback by his pull-out, then consider what theater insiders must be thinking. They've watched from the sidelines and seen Riverside get burned. We don't know the details, but I suspect Riverside took it in the shorts, so to speak, financially. (Allison) this is a critical point in his career I imagine and to give up on lucrative and high profile film work at this time to appear in a potentially "interesting" Japanese influenced production of Hamlet in what is not much more than a shed in W6 might be considered foolish... Surely we like him because of his lack of vanity and ego. Seems that his lack of vanity and ego would have caused him to honor his commitment rather than go for the $. Just imo.

Hello there. I am very upset too about this Hamlet business, I had tickets for the second night. Humph. And I feel sorry for the Riverside as well. But I was wondering, if Nick Hornby knew about the cancellation so quickly, it's possible that CF's filming commitment is something high-profile and widely discussed - ie BJD2?

It looked to me as if this was very much a Firth/Fettes production. This was not a case of the National Theatre putting on a production and inviting Colin. This was something cooked up between CF and his old mentor. Hence the location. The only people put out are those who had already booked seats. That's not to underestimate that but to talk of his ratting on producers, theatre companies etc is probably overreacting to what actually has happened.

(Allison) The only people put out are those who had already booked seats. That's not to underestimate that but to talk of his ratting on producers, theatre companies etc is probably overreacting to what actually has happened. I hope you are right. But there are lots of hidden costs involved, and if Firth/Fettes reimburses those, then they are to be commended. I wouldn't have used the word "ratting", because Colin is an honorable man. I'm just disappointed that he pulled out of the production. I'm just curious who will reimburse Riverside for the cost of issuing the tickets, fees paid to FirstCall, credit card processing fees, etc. And if Riverside's statement about upgrading their computer systems is true, then the timing begs certain questions. Would they have gone through that expense now if they knew that they'd have to return all the money so soon? Did the unexpected rush for tickets and revenue accelerate their capital expenditure plans? Would they have severed their ties with FirstCall otherwise? Why will it take up to several months for people to get their refunds? Was the ticket money spent to cover other costs? And now Riverside (or someone) has to secure funds to refund everyone?

For my taste there are too little facts known to make a good speculation. But I'm convinced that he must have had *very* good reasons to back out. He - or any professional actor - would not cancel such a (pet?) project lightly, let alone after making it public. My guess is that it is BJD II that came in the way. It cannot be made without him and Renee Zellweger, or can it? Work schedule clashes with RZ? Oh, now I *am* speculating ;-).

It looked to me as if this was very much a Firth/Fettes production... Colin.......to talk of his ratting on producers, theatre companies etc is probably overreacting to what actually has happened. Again, I agree. The only person he'll be disappointing will be himself, and of course, everyone who was looking forward to his performance. But I see no reason why he shouldn't re-schedule at a more convenient date. Seems that his lack of vanity and ego would have caused him to honor his commitment rather than go for the $. Just imo If he's been offered a high profile screen role, why shouldn't he take it? He has a family to support. Roles in DQ and off-West End productions won't even pay his food bills. He needs high profile film roles to subsidise theatre roles. And he's 40....time he had his breakthough! 3DOR... didn't get stellar reviews or important awards. It was a great step for Colin, an important one, but it still didn't legitimize him as an important or serious theater performer. It *did* get stellar reviews. And CF has paid his dues in the theatre...initially he was better known as a stage actor than a "movie actor". Can we please give the poor man a break?!!!. I'm sure that he'll do his best to give us "Hamlet" at a later date. BTW, There's a review of "Cymbeline" at the Globe, which might indicate what sort of production "Hamlet" could be. Cymbeline is low-budget (6 performers only, doubling up for smaller parts, all dressed in white). "There's a distinct Japanese flavour...a battle in a series of stylised poses, whiterobed musicians in the background striking gongs, the setting for each scene is announced (minimal scenery etc)..."the main effect is to stress the purely narrative element in the play, and this makes for unusual clarity". If Fettes and CF were thinking along these lines, I think they would have had a successful production, without the need for sponsorship,...and I very much hope we still see it. Maybe later in the year. I rest my defence!! :-)

It *did* get stellar reviews. And CF has paid his dues in the theatre...initially he was better known as a stage actor than a "movie actor". I can't let this go by, Lizbeth. Six (6) productions on stage in 20 years of acting does not constitute paying one's dues in the theatre. If it were 15 (anywhere!) I might call Colin a stage actor. His media are film and television.

Well I think it's a damn shame. And it's not *just* a drool thing, it's a drama thing too. He would have been a fabulous Hamlet. A part which involves standing around aloofly with a lot going on under the surface - now who can we think of who could carry that off well I wonder? If it is BJD2 he is doing instead - by God, there had better be a LOT of Mark-Darcy-in-a-towel scenes to make up for this disappointment.

I don't think it has anything to do with being afraid of what the critics *might* say about his performance, but the reality of a glut of Hamlets over the course of the year. Since most of you haven't spoken with Nick Hornby, I didn't get sense that this was a "throwaway" line. When he's being cute, it shows in his face and in the tone of his voice. (Ursula) if Nick Hornby knew about the cancellation so quickly, it's possible that CF's filming commitment is something high-profile and widely discussed - ie BJD2? If there had truly been a high-profile film commitment, why haven't we heard anything? Names are always floated for big productions coming from this side of the Pond. There are always leaks. There's no way it's BJDII. He has no *firm* commitment on that one. He has to see the script first and there isn't one. (Donna) But the material point is that he certainly won't have theater doors open to him because of his body of work and his professionalism. They may be open to him because of his star power, but then let's not complain about stunt casting in the future. Had he mounted a successful Hamlet, then he could have written his own ticket, imo. I definitely agree with this. He hasn't paid his dues in theatre and won't achieve the regard accorded RF or KB or any of the actors he's stated in the past that he admires (the old boys) with this stunt. (Donna) but I suspect Riverside took it in the shorts, so to speak, financially. They sure did. BTW, I don't read the Fettes' statement as saying that he and Colin *are* Concentric Circles, only that CF's production was to launch *his* company. Fettes' partner is Alpha Hopkins.

(Bethan)The only person he'll be disappointing will be himself, and of course, everyone who was looking forward to his performance. You can throw in Riverside...and if you don't believe it, give 'em a call. They'll give you an ear full. Some folks have. (Bethan)...if he's been offered a high profile screen role, why shouldn't he take it? He has a family to support. Roles in DQ and off-West End productions won't even pay his food bills. He needs high profile film roles to subsidise theatre roles. And he's 40....time he had his breakthough! I would think he would have more integrity than that, Bethan. That's a pretty hard indictment . He *knew* what the Hamlet salary was when he signed up for it. Though I do agree (sadly) with your premise....he did it for the Almight Dollah! When the good prospects come knockin'....commitments go out the window. Whoppee..let the good times roll!

(Bethan)I can't believe CF will be happy about this. What did he say?... "my worst fears have been fulfilled". If you believe *that*...I have a bridge to sell you;-) (Bethan)Why should we think otherwise? Because he has a habit of changing stories ;-) (Chris)Six (6) productions on stage in 20 years of acting does not constitute paying one's dues in the theatre. If it were 15 (anywhere!) I might call Colin a stage actor. His media are film and television. Agree...he is a TV actor ..principally. Trying desperately to break into films as a leading man.($$$$)Theatre is not his forte.Why am I surprised that he dumped the production??

Maybe he's committed to another film with Mike Binder. *snort*

or he's been offered that plum role of the masturbatory village pervert... and really could any of us blame him for snapping that up?

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ROTF...Too funny. I needed that laugh. Also like your caption under Hamlet graphic and on front page: "Tis not to be"...Brilliant. If Moon was here we could do Ten Reasons Why.... Too Many Hamlets....Too Many Hamlets...Too Many Hamlets..

teehee loved the Hamlet graphic and the jumping pooh bears! Like you, Evelyn, I needed the laugh. Hope you've had a good birthday weekend

Ten reasons why its not so bad that Hamlet's cancelled: 1, Hamlet keeps his shirt on all the time; 2, there's no need for anyone to ride a horse; 3, only Ophelia gets to fall in a river and get her clothes wet; 4, everybody dies 5, because if it was brilliant you'd have to bankrupt yourself going to London every weekend to see it; 6, we'd all have to start incorporating Shakespeare dialogue into our everyday language; 7, in a film you can at least replay the good bits; ummmm ... help me out!

Karen, loved the Pythonesque graphic. We'll probably never know Colin's top ten reasons for not doing Hamlet. productions get cancelled for all sorts of reasons. Maybe the "schedule conflict" was a discreet way out of some other problem with the production. If he does have a film lined up for that time, I just hope it turns out to be really good!

I forget who brought up the point of Riverside being out of pocket due to the Hamlet production being cancelled ( re refunding booking, credit card fees etc etc ) However my sister works in theatre and, she told me most theatres have insurance that limits out of pocket expenses, if a planned production doesn't get off the ground. Also I think we are forgetting how uncertain and fickle the world of theatre can be. Nothing and I do mean nothing is taken for granted until the curtains come up on opening night. My sister is a very highly thought of Costume Designer and she goes thru a constant process of being offered work, having it cancelled, or dates changed and all kind of messing that we, in predictable 9 to 5, jobs would probably find unbearable. It doesn't bother her however, she just knows that it is the nature of the beast. What happened with Riverside is not all that unusual, althought I admit letting it get to the stage that tickets had already gone on sale, before cancelling, is unusual. I would imagine that the powers that be in any theatre ( not just Riverside ) that hires famous actors/heart throbs/national icons for their productions, always HAVE to keep one eye on the fact that their star may have other demands on their time, that may conflict with their stage work. This has to be especially true when the actor in question is Britan's favouite smouldering hunk of repressed passion. N'est pas ? Yes its awful that this got cancelled after so many of you had bought tickets and planned trips, myself included. However, I don't think its fair to accuse CF of selling out to the Almight Dollar, that's just not right. Movie and TV work have been his bread and butter for the past 20 years. What's so wrong about his continuing in that vein, especially now that his movie star has never burned brighter ?

Ten reasons why its not so bad that Hamlet's cancelled: ummmm ... help me out! How about: 8, Although Hamlet mentions "country matters" he doesn't actually get to partipate in any (i.e., no love scenes). 9, CF's fans who either don't live in UK or can't afford to fly over to London to see Hamlet will get to see him in whatever film he makes instead.

By the way, can someone tell me what has happened to Topic #112 the Darcy Drool ? I can't see it listed in the Topic List anymore. Has it used up all of its 1999 posts and been retired ?

Beth, I agree with you. This bashing is totally unfair.

The above is not *bashing* It is merely people stating their opinions, which is allowed here. Some of us don't buy the official statement. That is our prerogative. In addition, not everyone believes there's a monetary factor behind the motives. However, those who do are free to believe that. We've been very tolerant of anonymous people coming here and rendering judgments on our discussions without contributing anything themselves. But there are limits...and I've reached it.

I agree with you. This bashing is totally unfair. However, I don't think its fair to accuse CF of selling out to the Almight Dollar,that's just not right. Why? I'm giving my opinion.It's not libelous.Folks have different opinions on his motives for giving Hamlet the finger.Me? I think it's bucks.Like Bethan says, he's 41, has a family, needs the money, fame doesn't last forever... So there. You don't like it..Bethanne, Mystery Man , anybody else?...scroll through it.

(Beth)By the way, can someone tell me what has happened to Topic #112 the Darcy Drool ? I can't see it listed in the Topic List anymore. Has it used up all of its 1999 posts and been retired ? I've been writting something reasently...try under last-weeks-posts. It is not filled up yeat:)

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Ack, now I'm in trouble for DEFENDING Our Darling Boy. Who woulda thunk ????? No hard feeling people, we are all entitled to our opinions.

(Beth)Ack, now I'm in trouble for DEFENDING Our Darling Boy. Who woulda thunk ????? don't understand it eather...well, I wouldn't have had the chance to see that play anyway...but of cource I'm sorry for those who did, and I do think some bitterness is entitled..(God, if I had had a ticket,I would have been devistated too!!!)

Diane, I was planning a trip to London to see it too, but I suppose my disappointment is alieviated by my knowing how fickle the theatre world can be. But I would gladly sacrafice my 3 hour thrill ride of watching Colin strut his stuff on stage, if it means he can get another BJD type megahit under his belt. Generous of me isn't it ? Smacks self on the head and runs screaming from the room.......

(Beth) What happened with Riverside is not all that unusual, althought I admit letting it get to the stage that tickets had already gone on sale, before cancelling, is unusual I wonder if the play was announced and tickets went on sale as early as they did because someone decided to capitalize on the popularity of BJD. the theater is not exactly a stable business. We subscribe to Roundabout Theater in NYC, and each year, when the renewall comes, some of the schedule of 6 plays is TBA. We just cross our fingers that we'll like what they do. I think they announced "Cabaret" twice and didn't do it before they finally got the production together. (Once, I think it was because they couldn't find the right space to do it in. another time, I think they said that they had casting problems.) Meanwhile, they substituted other plays. And once they did get "Cabaret" together, it was a hit (won Tonys and is and still running). So maybe Hamlet will eventually get its run (maybe even in a westend theater), or maybe he'll find some other play to do.

(Beth)Smacks self on the head and runs screaming from the room....... LOL!!! Well, at least a BJD-type megahit, would be something one could rewind:o) Believe one should always see everything in a positive light (easy for me to say, some of you might think..yes I know...I really do!!:o\)

(Evelyn)Chicken...he decided to bolt because he was afraid of the critics Sorry, no, I DID NOT say that! I said, "NOT that it could be one of the actual reasons" and this kind of reflection MIGHT have made the decision easier. (MysteryMan)Rubbish! He is an actor. He can deal with the critics! LOL! You are teasing again, MM, are you not? Actors are particularly sensitive about criticism by their peers and their circles. Deep down at heart the praise from the professionals is what really counts. What would you rather hear: "Never mind, you were fantastic but the dumb buggers didn't get it...", or "The crowds loved it, but, darling, you were (the production was) such crap!" ? (Bethan) If actors worried about the critics, they'd never do anything! Believe me, actors DO worry. Sometimes terribly. But they soldier on: - it's part of the package of being an actor. (Allison)to appear in a potentially "interesting" Japanese influenced production of Hamlet in what is not much more than a shed in W6 might be considered foolish. (Bethan)Most "stars" head automatically for the West End, and short runs are possible Precisely! You've got it! By Jove, they've got it! There are reasons why SUCH a production at THIS time in particular COULD be viewed as an unwise move. (Donna DL)If we, his fans, are taken aback by his pull-out, then consider what theater insiders must be thinking. They've watched from the sidelines and seen Riverside get burned. Theatre insiders will have known more about the real reasons - which we don't. Not yet, anyway. And Riverside is only a space rented to various art and entertainment companies, they're used to cancellations. his lack of vanity and ego would have caused him to honor his commitment rather than go for the $ Whether we like it or not, we must accept that ultimately his commitment was only to himself. (Those unable to accept it will have to consider crossing over to someone else's fan club...;-P) And I don't think he lacks vanity and ego - this is like saying he's superhuman - he is simply exceptionally good at supressing them. :-) (Donna) there are lots of hidden costs involved, and if Firth/Fettes reimburses those, then they are to be commended No doubt all the costs will be sorted out by the production company in question according to their legal obligations. Why should this worry us here? (Bethan) I'm sure that he'll do his best to give us "Hamlet" at a later date. If he waits much longer, we'll all be looking forward to his King Lear soon... ;-P ;-D (MysteryMan) This bashing is totally unfair. Are you Colin's agent, by any chance, MM? The we all have something to say to you... ;-)

(Beth) Ack, now I'm in trouble for DEFENDING Our Darling Boy. Who woulda thunk ????? Oh, hon. You're not in trouble. Say what you like. I'm of the opinion that, just because you admire an actor, doesn't mean he has to be treated as though he's infallible. If we sometimes criticize him here, it's only because we want him to do better and be better recognized for his talents. Hamlet was just such a role. And, let's not forget, this isn't a situation where the Riverside hired him to be in the play. When you post at Drool, we don't ask you to check your brain at the door...that is, unless you are staying up nights dreaming up clever aliases to use.

unless you are staying up nights dreaming up clever aliases to use. How about those with the knack of inventing clever aliases on the spot?

Say again?

just because you admire an actor, doesn't mean he has to be treated as though he's infallible. If we sometimes criticize him here, it's only because we want him to do better and be better recognized for his talents. Amen.We have never spoken as "one" on this board. Because we admire his work, does not mean that we light candles at his feet and condone everything he says and does; whether we agree with it or not. That's not a fan club..that's a cult.I separate his acting abilities with his persona. He is a fabulous actor. I go to great lengths to see his work & will continue to do so. We all want the best for him. To voice my opinion of his actions or choices does not diminish my admiration for his performances. Kindly do not misconstrue what I say.

I confess that if I had had the time off work and the money, and had already made arrangements to go to London to see CF, I would be bitterly disappointed, too. However, maybe there are circumstances that we know nothing about that caused CF to cancel Hamlet. And if they are fairly personal, we may never know them. The thing that I always try to remember about film and/or stage projects of my favorite performers is that if you don't know all of the facts (as known to the actor), then you can't really know why they choose/don't choose to do the projects you would like them to do. Even their public statements about the matter can only give the bare bones of what are sometimes very complicated matters involving legal commitments, schedule conflicts, etc. It might even be that CF had a once-in-a-lifetime chance to work on a film with someone, or about something, that he just couldn't afford to pass up (either professionaly or monetarily). So I guess what I'm trying to say, is that we should assume that CF had very good reasons for doing what he did, until it is definitely shown otherwise. Or have we given up on the "not guilty until proven otherwise" presumption? Just my 2 cents' worth.

(Karen) Say again? Ooops. Just a silly aside... ;-) ;-) ;-)

(Echo) No doubt all the costs will be sorted out by the production company in question according to their legal obligations. Why should this worry us here? Wait to see how long it takes to get your money refunded. :-)

That's the ticket office business. Unless Riverside goes bust there should be no problem. :-)

(Echo) No doubt all the costs will be sorted out by the production company in question according to their legal obligations. Why should this worry us here? (Donna)Wait to see how long it takes to get your money refunded. :-) Hey, that's why I'm calling Mastercard tomorrow early. To alert them to the situation at Riverside and get the wheels grinding on my refund, which I expect to see reflected in my next month's bill. (I was the banker... so we're talking 270. UKP) I feel sorry for those guys, but they've kept my money long enough. They are not a subscription theatre, like the Donmar (or Roundabout in NYC) They have no endowment.I hope they have insurance. But if they go bankrupt, your money is lost.Incidentaly, that's why ticket prices keep going up...the consumer ultimately pays for the insurance costs. Period.

"Hey, that's why I'm calling Mastercard tomorrow early. To alert them to the situation at Riverside and get the wheels grindingon my refund, which I expect to see reflected in my next month's bill. (I was the banker... so we're talking 270. UKP) " I would like my money back also, but can you explain what can the credit card company do if Riverside does not post the refund? What is it what we can tell the credit card company which would facilitate the refund? Any good idea would be appreciated.

that's why ticket prices keep going up...the consumer ultimately pays for the insurance costs. Period. That applies to everything, not only theatre.

From Riverside's cancellation letter signed by the director: " The amount that you paid will be refunded directly to your credit card over the next couple of months and we will write to you again with confirmation of the refund."

Never mind "the next couple of months" bit...they can do better than that. I will let you know what the credit card co says to me.

Another thought occurs to me. I mean CF's career choices DO occupy far more of my brain cells, than dull trivial stuff like earning a living, paying bills etc etc Anyhoo, this "other project" that is preventing Col from doing Hamlet....maybe he comitted to THAT before he committed to doing Hamlet and, he is doing the honourable thing by sticking with it, as opposed to following his hearts desire and doing Hamlet. So maybe he isn't such a cad after all. ( Jeez, I can't believe I just said that or even thought it. ) This film that he will be working on may have has its production date messed with, coz of the threat of the screenwriters strike hanging over the entire industry. It may have been posponed ( as a bunch of stuff was ) until the potential strike issue was resolved. Now that it has been and they are all set to start production, maybe it's just Colin's bad luck that they planned it during Hamlets run. The prep work/financing that goes into movies is far, far longer and more detailed than theatre productions. It could well be, that Col had been approached and agreed to star in the movie, simply AGES before Hamlet at Riverside was even thought about. So once Col had the decision to make, of which one to cancel, I can't really blame him for picking Hamlet. Telling the movie people to bugger off, may not be the wisest move for an actor who earns 99.9% of his living doing TV and fim work, especially if he HAD committed to that first. Pointless conjecturings maybe, but hey, we just talked at length, about the value of long socks versus short ones didn't we, over at the Bridget topic ?

(Evelyn) Never mind "the next couple of months" bit...they can do better than that. I think in the US, there's a legal time limit on how long a company can retain your funds if you are entitled to a refund. I'm not sure how that would work with international sales, but it might be worth asking about that from the credit card company. And I'm not sure when the clock starts. Whether it is from the time that you are notified by Riverside (and who knows how long that will take), or the time that you notify Riverside, or something else.

Please, Beth, I beg of you--no more about socks!

I agree Kate. It's time to pick a different piece of CF underwear to analyse and discuss. Ideas anyone ?

It's time to pick a different piece of CF underwear to analyse and discuss. First nominations for CF underwear (Round 1): my favorites--Arsenal boxer shorts in "Fever Pitch" versus "nothing at all" in P&P2 (per CF's comments on Fresh Air re the "failed" underwear attempts for wet shirt scene). Personally, I would have to go with "nothing at all", but some purists might argue that this does not qualify as a "piece of CF underwear". What do you think?

O it counts, believe me it counts. CF in the raw has to be the best kind of underwear at all. I'm gonna go with whatever he was wearing under those rust colour breeches he wore, while walking around the grounds at Pemberley with Lizzie.

(Beth)I'm gonna go with whatever he was wearing under those rust colour breeches he wore, while walking around the grounds at Pemberley with Lizzie. LOL...I can well believe it;o)

*stacking bushel baskets full of sour grapes* Had I been Hamlet-bound, I suppose I would have been quite disappointed as well. Speculation as to what really happened makes for interesting discussion. It seems to me there *were* too many Hamlets (c'mon, even my dog was doing Hamlet). It also seems to me that cancelling so far in advance is not extraordinary. I do agree with those who are of the opinion that the 'film commitments' rationale is as phoney as MysteryMan's alias. I would love to hear how CF's agent would wiggle out of that one. Time will tell, as always. *twiddling thumbs*

I have contacted my credit card company. They suggest I fax acopy of billing statement to Resolution Dept for "dispute over transaction due to cancellation".They only take such disputes 60 days after billing statement which is the end of this week for me. Rep said Riverside can refund sooner than a few months. I'm done.... ~~~~~~~~~~ MOVIN' ON DEPT......(no remarks;-D) Last night I saw a trailer on HBO for Madonna's concert on August 26. I'm thinking in the next few weeks we'll see one for Londinium. Whatta think, boss? Pl. God...they don't show SM first during the Max Binder Adoration Festival, or no one will tune into L.

Speaking of HBO, I caught the tail-end of an HBO commercial about all their Emmy noms. Looked like they were highlighting each and every major nomination. Was Colin shown? The shorter ad (after SATC and 6ftunder) didn't go into the detail as the pre-show one.

Colin was shown!!! I saw it;)

And also told Bill that next time Conspiracy is on I WANT TO WATCH it. He saw it and said it was excellent, then changed the station on me!

Back online after technical problems, couldn't have been worse news to find. It's such a shame for everyone involved, especially those who had planned to come from overseas. I am sorry not to be seeing ODB as Hamlet. I recently saw Sam West (dismissed in someone's post "as not having good reviews") in fact I think it was The Sunday Times who recommended it as one of the top 5 plays to see . I thought it was a really good performance,( that has undoubtedly matured since the early, less favourable reviews) on an enlarged new stage at Statford, without any scenery at all. You have to be some actor to carry the soliloquies off in that setting! And SW can, believe me. I remember thinking how wise it was of CF to choose a more intimate setting for his first foray into Shakespeare for so long! 'Nuff said, I have had my say, as has everyone else, so am happy to move on.... After a brisk encounter with a vodka bottle and some branston pickle that is.

(Evelyn) MOVIN' ON DEPT...... 'Fraid not. Lots of people have been away from their computers since Friday. I'll be watching the windows when AnnW finds out. :-( (Karen) I caught the tail-end of an HBO commercial about all their Emmy noms. (Laura) Colin was shown I'm glad to hear it. I must've missed the Emmy plug entirely; by the time I tuned in they were touting their fall premium movie line-up (Battlefield Earth? Honestly...).

(Evelyn)fame doesn't last forever... So maybe CF's decision to cancel Hamlet was influenced by our discussion of WoF on #98 ;-) ;-)! Sorry, I know you've changed the subject, but I wasn't able to contribute to the postings yesterday.

(Evelyn) MOVIN' ON DEPT...... (Eileen)'Fraid not. Lots of people have been away from their computers since Friday. Hey, I'm not a DC (Drool Cop). I don't speak for everyone on this board. I mean"t *me*!I'm movin on [this board] But ...*emails*...different story. Lots goin on *there*. *hee, hee*. PS. Ann W knows...She's in shock.There is a current malaise known as "Hamlet Misery". But we'll get over it.Hey, we're a tough bunch. PPS. I called the agent....But like I said..."I'm moving on" ;-D

Well I won't be defeated by a mind changing Dane or a stick insect actress playing Ophelia.... just need time...... hic hic.

(Evelyn) I mean"t *me*! Sorry, I interpreted your capital letters for SHOUTING. ;-P we'll get over it.Hey, we're a tough bunch. Of course. Heck, it took me awhile to get over the Flashman debacle. *snort*

(Evelyn) MOVIN' ON DEPT...... (Eileen)'Fraid not. Lots of people have been away from their computers since Friday. Feel free to comment. The window to vent has no spleen. ;-) signed, Mrs Malaprop

It's okay Eileen I'm cool ( and if you believe that you'll believe anything!!) but why do these things always happen to COLIN FIRTH Fans (and I am shouting and pulling my hair out what little there is!). Perhaps I should become a Raffe Feinnes or Kenneth Branagh fan (not). Oh well I am glad we had a little reunion in New York in March and I was able to meet up with you Eileen and so many other lovely ladies. There will be another time I am sure, not today not tomorrow but soon. hee hee life goes on.

Evelyn-I'd love to hear what the agent said, if repostable. Chances are "Hamlet who?" :-D

Thanks for posting the Riverside Press Release at the Bucket, Karen. I hope I'm not being inbearably optimistic, but there seem to be some grounds for hope that we may see "Hamlet" at a late date, when CF is less "hot", and also Concentric Circles (Fettes/Firth) seem to have longer-term plans (other productions?), not just a one-off. If it's any consolation, Alan Rickman played Hamlet at Riverside at the age of 45, to mixed reviews, but to a sell-out and, I'm sure, very enthusiastic audience. (Do reviews really matter in the long run?) CF is a youthful 40...time is still on his side! HAMLET Riverside Studios, London W6 Opened 15 September, 1992 Reviews on these pages are meant primarily to recommend or to warn off potential theatregoers, and in this case whatever I say will make no difference the show was completely sold out long before it opened, on the strength of culture-hunk Alan Rickman in the name part . Which may be as well, because it's not actually very wonderful at all. Georgian director Robert Sturua was one of producer Thelma Holt's eye-opening cultural imports over a decade ago, but he fails to invest this play with freshness or energy; the flatness is exacerbated by extensive but clumsy use of a T-shaped stage gallery and a sound score that could be jettisoned wholesale without injuring the production. Rickman gives a competent but uninspired reading as the Prince: moderately, not corrosively, sardonic and seldom overwrought either in his agonies of thought or fiery bursts of action. The other principals, however, fall well short of the mark: Geraldine McEwan's Gertrude is irritatingly mimsy, Michael Byrne's Polonius begins shrewdly but loses his way, and Adrian Rawlins' Laertes wants to be Gerard Murphy. After the one interval (late, at the two-hour mark), Sturua's erratic cutting leads to an unsettling scramble towards the most terse duel I've ever seen: blink and you miss Gertrude's poisoning, Hamlet's fatal wounding and Laertes' suicide � suicide? Nobody realistically expects a major revelatory Hamlet these days, but we still have that nagging hope; and from a team of such pedigree, this is a sadly underwhelming experience. ....................... Moving on, well, I saw copies of "New Cardiff" in Waterstones today and was tempted to buy one. (Okay, I know, I know, tempting fate, but I've never had any regrets about buying the "Flashman" novels -all are a terrific read. "New Cardiff" looks good, and is, I think, one of those books that you can instantly envisage as a movie. It's set (mainly)in small town Vermont. It's rather confusing to have a main character called Colin. Colin (fictitious)enjoys sex! Review from alphabetstreet.co.uk London artist Colin Ware and his lifelong companion Vera first 'met' when they kicked together as their pregnant mothers sat next to each other in the doctor's waiting room. They became like Siamese twins. They had great sex. They were getting married - until Vera sent Colin an invitation to her marriage to someone else. Escaping to America, Colin discovers in New Cardiff, Vermont, an innocence, warmth and eccentricity that seduces and transforms him. With a passionate kiss in the Revolutionary War Monument he falls hopelessly in love with Mandy, an attendant on break from the local care home, and in Colin�s motel room they explore each other culturally as well as sexually. So when Vera arrives to reclaim him - profuse in her explanations and apologies for the 'wedding' that sent him on his journey - it's a very different Colin she encounters. Poignant and acutely comic, with a mesmerising fairy-tale quality, New Cardiff begins with a broken heart.

*What* does Alan Rickman's review have to do with Colin? Like who gives a s*** about Alan Rickman.Do I post RF reviews or the current SW reviews? Jeeeez. "New Cardiff" sounds like a winner though. (Evelyn-I'd love to hear what the agent said, if repostable. Not a chance , sorry.I'm done. But apparently some poor PA at ICM drew the short straw today;-)

*taking Evelyn's virtual blood pressure* Yikes! (Bethan) Moving on, well, I saw copies of "New Cardiff" in Waterstones today and was tempted to buy one. While you're at it, buy one for Evelyn so she can put it on her nightstand. *ducking* ;-P he falls hopelessly in love with Mandy, an attendant on break from the local care home Aha! Ahahaha! CF is a shoe-in for this part. What better project to follow TIOBE? ;-D

Just a reminder--has everyone voted at etonline? Ewan is moving up at 27% and Colin is at 36%. I know we're a little pissed off at Colin at the moment, but we still want him to win, don't we?

(Eileen)*taking Evelyn's virtual blood pressure* Yikes! LOL. I'm perpetually low...along with my spirits at the moment. (Bethan) I saw copies of "New Cardiff" in Waterstones today and was tempted to buy one. (Eileen)While you're at it, buy one for Evelyn so she can put it on her nightstand. No need to duck....Neelie,Actually, I'm gonna buy one as soon as the boss finds a place that doesn't charge postage .*sucker E.* "..he falls hopelessly in love with Mandy, an attendant on break from the local care home" "local care home?" Omigod...another nursing home movie?? Now he's even gonna shoot in one!

Mrs slow-off-the-mark part 2 - is the Reece Witherspoon diary thing with TIOBE bits in it going to be shown on MTV UK, does anyone know? or have I already missed it? all I could find was a J-Lo diary which aired today

It's his DQ sequel! I can hear that Van Morrison soundtrack reprise coming thro' loud and clear.

I'm gonna buy one as soon as the boss finds a place that doesn't charge postage. LOL! Why don't we just send Aishling to Tescos to buy in bulk? ;-) Are we going to start posting reviews of this book already, even though nothing has been confirmed? I hope not. But I did get a kick out of one in the Telegraph that ended like this:And New Cardiff is slight in more ways than one. By cunningly inserting double-spacing between the paragraphs, the publishers have transformed a slim novella into a hefty volume which they can sell for �12.99. Call me old-fashioned, but I do like the words in novels to go right down the page. And I don't like being duped into buying half a book at full price.Evidently since it's all dialogue, adapting it to screen should be a no-brainer. ;-) (Kate) I know we're a little pissed off at Colin at the moment, but we still want him to win, don't we? Anyone want to ask worthless, lying agent whether Colin would appear if he won or they *said* he won?

Because we admire his work, does not mean that we light candles at his feet and condone everything he says and does; whether we agree with it or not. 100% agree. ...Now, as soon as I *find out* what he's said and done, I'll let you know what I think about it... ;-) ;-) **very sad and content to lurk until all is serene again** .. KJ

(KJ)...Now, as soon as I *find out* what he's said and done, I'll let you know what I think about it...;-) ;-) Where have you been? Read Press release on The Bucket. http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/hamlet2.html

Maybe the reason *is* fame doesn't last forever. CF is hot right now with BJD and the Emmy nomination for Conspiracy. If he's committed to Hamlet, film producers and directors will assume he is not available for movies during those 7 months. As a result, he'll be omitted from a lucrative market when he's the most marketable. He (and his agent presumably) might feel like he will forego lucrative opportunities if he does Hamlet. He can always do Hamlet later, when he "cools off" a little. After all, the movie producers want to get their product out as soon as possible, especially if they're counting on ODB's sizzle to help sell their movies. On the other hand, Hamlet isn't likely to get stale as a possible role for someone like ODB. You know the saying: "Get it while your hot, because you'll be cold for a long, long time." (We know that law of nature doesn't apply to CF, but can he really know that???) He's probably thinking of his financial obligations to his family as well. I realize that the change in his plans is unfortunate for many. I hope you are all able to get your money back easily and soon. I would be upset, too, if I had purchased tickets.

And it's NOT just ODB that some of us are upset at not seeing, Colin is part of , but not the whole equation for some of us ;-)

Hamlet isn't likely to get stale as a possible role for someone like ODB. No, but the opposite will eventually apply... I think he is human, after all! :-) But apart from Rickman who was 45 when he - apparently clumsily - grabbed his opportunity, Laurence Olivier himself was about 43 or 44 when making his famous film version. Colin still has very youthful looks - there is still time.

The news has hit Ananova: Hamlet starring Colin Firth is cancelled A proposed production of Hamlet starring Colin Firth has been cancelled due to the actor's film commitments. The production was due to take place at London's Riverside Studios in the spring of next year. A spokesman for the production company Concentric Circles described the situation as disappointing. Colin Firth said: "My worst fears were fulfilled when my filming schedule for early next year changed, meaning I would have to withdraw from Concentric Circles' production of Hamlet. We are now exploring other possibilities of working together in the future." Fans who bought tickets for the production will have their money refunded. Artistic director Christopher Fettes said: "Colin and I had talked about Hamlet for sometime and it appeared to be the ideal production with which to launch a new theatre company, Concentric Circles. "We all knew the risk of film schedules changing but had hoped that we could make these dates work."

Wait til the press calls ICM and asks the name of the film.... They'll get: "No comment". (They're not gonna get their hands dirty)

Item in NY Post's Page Six column: Big winner FRIENDS of Colin Callender are still toasting the head of HBO's movie division on his Emmy nominations. Just a year after moving from New York to Beverly Hills with his lovely lawyer wife Elizabeth Gaine, Callender won four of the five TV movie nominations, for "Conspiracy," "For Love or Country: The Arturo Sandoval Story," "61*," and "Wit." Stars Kenneth Branagh, Andy Garcia, Barry Pepper, Judi Dench, Emma Thompson, Colin Firth and Stanley Tucci were all nominated, pushing the HBO total to 94, swamping runner-up NBC, which had 76.

Well, I'm going to be real generous here or probably awfully naive. Maybe there's more than one project out there and no commitment to any of them. He's got so much choice he can't make one!

Karen, you are way ahead of Ananova! (Ananova)"Colin and I had talked about Hamlet for sometime and it appeared to be the ideal production with which to launch a new theatre company, Concentric Circles. Am imagining who would have came to *that* launch party ;-) (Ananova)"We all knew the risk of film schedules changing but had hoped that we could make these dates work." Ah, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. I hope all will feel better soon ;-). There are a lot of things worse than this.

(toyce)Well, I'm going to be real generous here or probably awfully naive. Maybe there's more than one project out there and no commitment to any of them. He's got so much choice he can't make one! Why not be optimistic! It may be raining screenplays! And not being able to make a choice would be very Hamlet ;-D

Wait til the press calls ICM and asks the name of the film.... A spokesperson for Colin Firth announced today that the actor is set to star in a new film, "No Comment." Sources also indicated that the production company, Parallel Lines, is tipping the actor for the sequels, "We Don't Have That Yet" and "Lots Of Irons In The Fire." All are based on the "Obfuscation" trilogy of books penned by Paul Lyin' Maris, Roger's brother. ;-)

Stop that Mari, I nearly peed my self I laughed so hard.

Mari, Excellent summation of situation! No one could put it any better!

(Mari) All are based on the "Obfuscation" trilogy of books penned by Paul Lyin' Maris, Roger's brother. LOL! Am checking amazon next. Make room on your nightstand, Ev. ;-) BTW, they all sound like Oscar material to me. *snort*

Will Obfuscation be available on DVD and will it feature cast interviews ?

Send that to the tabs, Mari.I'm sure they're digging. Do you have the "Obfuscation"page ready for the Bucket yet? I'm thinking...foggy...hazy ,murky background. To be filmed in the Moors, of course. Lots of mist there. Now you see it, now you don't...

The mists part to reveal our hero ( clad in a billowing white shirt ) striding purposely up the moor, clutching a riding crop and a credit card refund form. He is devestatingly handsome and is undoubtidly one if the most famous literary figures to ever come out of...er....literature. Who could it be, Heathcliff, Mr Darcy ??? Hearts all accross the globe begin it pound in earnest....the mists hide his face, all we can see is a delicious dimpled chin. The mists begin to part again. Could it be, could it possibly be ???... O my God....nah, its just some boring Danish guy with a bad haircut. Lose the skull babe, it ain't exactly a chick magnet.