~MarciaH
Mon, Jun 4, 2001 (15:20)
#601
Better to let the brambles hide the desirable stone rather than to have someone blast them to small bits and make chimneys out of them. Every been to Avebury? The entire town and walls around gardens are built out of that monument's stones. They even tried to bury then since they considered standing stones to be blasphemous. (Don't get me started on the evils done in the name of God.)
Keep your stones hidden until someone protects it under the Ancient Momuments protection statutes - if they exist (the statutes, that is) Is it possible to porbe with a long pipe that would not damage the stones nor hurt them? As in an aluminum thin-walled pipe? At least you might be able to locate more of them if that were the case.
Talk later... You usually manage to find me!
~horrible
Tue, Jun 5, 2001 (16:45)
#602
That was a nice link Cheryl ,thank you, I have read an enjoyed the site
~horrible
Tue, Jun 5, 2001 (16:48)
#603
I am only allowed to look at and take pics of the Dolmen Marcia,otherwise it would be completly explored by now. I would have brought you in as special advisor and such a nice time would have been had...
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 5, 2001 (17:42)
#604
OOOOOOuuuuuuu yes! *Big wistful sigh*
~horrible
Tue, Jun 5, 2001 (17:55)
#605
damn,just missed you..had to after a fox..after telling you all about locking up on time I was 30 mins late and a poor duck was taken right at the window.By the time I got the gun the %*@@##$ was gone with duck over its shoulder.When it comes back I will be waiting.Talk to you soon
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 5, 2001 (19:37)
#606
Ah, we did talk. The fox got his unhappy dinner and I got to talk to you. I trust you are loaded and ready for bear next time. *Gathering up rocks for Nick* Did you say you wanted a Lava nymph in that box, too?
~CherylB
Tue, Jun 5, 2001 (20:19)
#607
Horace, I'm glad that you enjoyed the site. The man whose site it is has a book, either just our or just coming out, called "The Atlantic Celts".
I'm sorry to hear about one of your ducks. I hope the rest are safe.
Lava nymph? Marcia are you thinking of mailing yourself to Ireland?
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 5, 2001 (22:40)
#608
*wide-eyed innocence* Just wanted to see the Dolmen for myself...
~sociolingo
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (10:48)
#609
Published online before print June 5, 2001
Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, 10.1073/pnas.121590798
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/121590798v1
Ornaments of the earliest Upper Paleolithic: New insights from the Levant
Steven L. Kuhn, Mary C. Stiner, David S. Reese, and Erksin G�le�
Department of Anthropology, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721-0030;
Peabody Museum of Natural History, Yale University, P.O. Box 208118, New Haven,
CT 06520-8118; and � Paleoantropoloji, Ankara �niversitesi, Dil ve
Tarih-Corafya Fak�ltesi, Shhiye, 06100, Ankara, Turkey
Two sites located on the northern Levantine coast, ��azl Cave (Turkey) and Ksar
'Akil (Lebanon) have yielded numerous marine shell beads in association with
early Upper Paleolithic stone tools. Accelerator mass spectrometry (AMS)
radiocarbon dates indicate ages between 39,000 and 41,000 radiocarbon years
(roughly 41,000-43,000 calendar years) for the oldest ornament-bearing levels
in ��azl Cave. Based on stratigraphic evidence, the earliest shell beads from
Ksar 'Akil may be even older. These artifacts provide some of the earliest
evidence for traditions of personal ornament manufacture by Upper Paleolithic
humans in western Asia, comparable in age to similar objects from Eastern
Europe and Africa. The new data show that the initial appearance of Upper
Paleolithic ornament technologies was essentially simultaneous on three
continents. The early appearance and proliferation of ornament technologies
appears to have been contingent on variable demographic or social conditions.
To whom reprint requests should be addressed. E-mail: skuhn@u.arizona.edu.
www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.121590798
Archaeologists Home In on Body Ornament Origins
From earrings and necklaces to lipstick and tattoos, humans across cultures
decorate themselves. Yet exactly how and why this practice came about has
proved somewhat of a mystery, owing to holes in the archaeological record.
Findings announced today in the early online edition of the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences, however, are offering new insight. According to
the report, the technology for making body ornaments such as beads and pendants
emerged simultaneously in Europe, Asia and Africa more than 40,000 years
ago�perhaps as a new form of communication among the expanding populations in
these regions.
Previous work had turned up ancient ornaments crafted from shells, teeth, ivory
and stone dating to the early Upper Paleolithic period in Africa and Europe.
The new research, conducted by Steven L. Kuhn and Mary C. Stiner of the
University of Arizona and their colleagues, shows that people in the Levant
were making ornaments back then too. Recent excavations at a cave in Turkey and
reappraisal of some Lebanese remains, the team reports, have revealed shell
beads that are at least 41,000 years old.
Full text:
http://www.sciam.com/news/060501/2.html
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (16:13)
#610
I would love to see pictures of their finds...
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (18:09)
#611
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (18:12)
#612
Speaking of Dolmens... I had a long bit written just as my computer froze and took my thoughts with it. Here, thanks to Liam for permission
http://www.geocities.com/bree_house/dolmen.html
The Dolmen at Bree, County Wexford, Ireland.
� Liam Ryan 2001
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (18:18)
#613
Under the above photo on the webpage for the dolmens the buttons will take you to further pictures. Some Dolmens are quite cramped inside and some, like Lanyon Quoit in Cornwall were reputedly high enough for a man on horseback to ride though in the "old days" (Probably in the 18th century.) Lanyon is quite high compared with the others I have seen which strongly resemble the one from Bree. There was a turf mound over this stone structure originally. With some you can still see the outline on the ground of the extent of the mound's circumference. And, lest I be unclear, "quoit" is the name in Cornwall for "dolmen" used elsewhere.
~horrible
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (18:24)
#614
And the word Dolmen is from a beton word meaning "stone table" and you can see why
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (19:02)
#615
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (19:03)
#616
"men" is for stone as in menhir (standing stone)... if I remember correctly.
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 6, 2001 (21:55)
#617
Ok, what did you do to change your pictures? You changed urls!!! That means I wait til you quit fiddling with your website or download them to mine... You ARE Horrible, after all.
~horrible
Thu, Jun 7, 2001 (07:02)
#618
i have'nt changed a thing Marcia what pics are changed?
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 7, 2001 (12:48)
#619
http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/Geo/17.612
Your dolmen no longer shows and instead of the image that ugly little "where an image should be" (that broken little pink and blue box) is there instead.
~horrible
Fri, Jun 8, 2001 (17:54)
#620
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 8, 2001 (18:08)
#621
You learned how to delete, did you? Or are you giving us the silent treatment?
(Anyone wanting toknow how to delete their own posts can contact me for the command string. You can only delete your own posts unless you are the Conference Creator )
~horrible
Fri, Jun 8, 2001 (18:35)
#622
pressed the wrong button,sorry
~horrible
Fri, Jun 8, 2001 (18:37)
#623
submit instead of redisplay,have i got to stand in the corner?
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 8, 2001 (19:02)
#624
You, never! Unless I am in the corner of choice, perhaps? Feeding the wolf, of course!
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 8, 2001 (21:27)
#625
From Maggie, with hugs -
Indian tribe objects to archaeological dig
June 7, 2001 Posted: 8:43 AM EDT (1243 GMT)
TRAVERSE CITY, Michigan (AP) -- An American Indian tribe is trying to halt an
archaeological dig at the site of a 17th-century settlement where Indians and
French settlers once lived.
The Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians contends the research team from
Michigan State University is showing disrespect for what many natives consider
sacred ground.
The dig is taking place in St. Ignace, an Upper Peninsula town on the Straits
of Mackinac, where Lakes Huron and Michigan converge. Missionary Jacques
Marquette, a Jesuit priest, founded the village in 1671.
Some tribe members complained the student workers smoked in the pit, wore heavy
boots that could have crushed artifacts, and did not show proper deference to
their surroundings.
Full text:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/06/07/excavation.protest.ap/index.html
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 8, 2001 (21:36)
#626
Subject: bones of contention
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 00:11:02 -0400
The Body in Question
The discovery of the remains of a 9,000-year-old man on the Columbia River
has set off a conflict over race, history and identity that isn't just about
the American past, but about the future as well
By Steve Coll
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 3, 2001; Page W08
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/postmagazine/A99386-2001May30.html
A middle-aged man with a long face died near the north bank of the Columbia
River about 9,000 years ago. He had known violence: crushed ribs, a chipped
elbow, a fractured skull. A stone-tipped spear or projectile once plunged
into his right hip, leaving a fragment in his bones. He survived and wandered
western America for months and perhaps years afterward.
The man lived among hunter-gatherers who covered vast distances in small
bands. They rarely stopped for more than a few days. They made little effort
to store food. Some may have trekked on long, solo walkabouts. A restless
search for elk, bison, deer and pronghorn dominated their lives. Continually
at risk, they had little time for decorative arts or social ritual. But they
had tools, spears, language and something like ambition.
In the coulee-riven plateau between the Rockies and the Cascades where the
man with the long face died, there were very few people -- perhaps as few as
500 or 1,000 in all of what is now eastern Washington, eastern Oregon, Idaho
and Nevada, scholars say. Bitter winters and erratic vegetation threatened
famine, but a man who could take a spear in his hip and keep walking had a
fair chance on this terrain.
Today the man's skull and skeleton lie in storage in Seattle's Burke Museum,
sequestered by a federal court order. If he could somehow be revived, he
might be dismayed to learn that he has become known as Kennewick Man, after
the shabby electricity-generating town in eastern Washington ("Welcome to
Kennewick: A Public Power Community") where his bones were discovered in 1996
by beer-sodden college students sneaking into a speedboat race. Five years
on, because of a scientific, cultural and legal battle that would be
difficult to explain to him or any of his fellow hunter-gatherers, the man's
final resting place seems unlikely to be decided until the U.S. Supreme Court
expresses an opinion. Meanwhile, disputants in Bonnichsen et al. v. United
States of America and its related, sprawling Interior Department proceeding
are set to reconvene before a federal magistrate in Portland, Ore., on June
19. Presiding will be Judge John Jelderks, who has noted that "some of the
issues presented in this case are questions of first impression that have not
previously been addressed by any court."
In the lawsuit, eight prominent American archaeologists and physical
anthropologists seek to block the U.S. government from delivering Kennewick
Man's remains to a coalition of five Northwest Indian tribes, who claim him
as an ancestor and intend to honor him by reburying him. In siding with the
Indians, the government cites a 1990 federal law that gives tribes extensive
rights over remains judged as "culturally affiliated" with modern Indians.
The law seeks in part to redress grave-robbing and racist theorizing by
19th-century white scientists who studied Native American bones.
The anthropologists who sued argue that these particular remains are a rare
scientific treasure. The bones are like precious books in a government
library, the scientists say, and they have a First Amendment right to study
them. At stake, argues the Smithsonian Institution's Douglas Owsley, one of
the plaintiffs, is "the right to ask questions of the past." But
then-Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt concluded last September that Kennewick
Man is likely an ancestor of modern Indians and that the scientists have no
legal basis to stop reburial. The tribes accuse the scientists of
perpetuating exploitive study of Native American bones. "We are very much
involved as well as intrigued and interested in our own history, as well as
all history," says Jeff Van Pelt of the Federated Tribes of the Umatilla
Reservation. "But science needs to have some kind of ethical foundation on
controlling how far is too far."
The case has become so inflamed that scholars involved speak of shouting
matches and threatened fisticuffs at academic conferences, as well as
vindictive silent treatments meted out in divided university anthropology
departments. Debate about race has deepened the resentments. When Kennewick
Man was first discovered, some scientists examined his skull's shape and
declared that he might have physically resembled modern Europeans, not modern
Native Americans. Newspapers and magazines carried sensational stories
describing speculation by scholars that modern Indian tribes might be
descended from Asian people who arrived later than a previously unknown
European group. (Very few scholars credit this theory today.) For a while, a
small religious sect of Norse revivalists based in California, called the
Asatru Folk Assembly, joined the Kennewick Man lawsuit, arguing that the
bones may have belonged to one of their ancestors.
The conversion of a 9,000-year-old skeleton into a racialized proxy for
conflicts about American culture and identity provoked angry interventions by
yet more scholars. They saw no convincing evidence of European origin. All
the talk about Kennewick Man's identity, they argued, dangerously
misconstrued the meaning of race.
Initially, much of the controversy seemed to concern mysteries of the
American past. When and how did people first arrive here? Who would control
evidence about that history -- scientists, the U.S. government or Indian
tribes?
The longer the case has dragged on, however, the less it has served to
illuminate the American past, and the more it has seemed to reveal the
American present.
Jim Chatters was watching "Star Trek: The Next Generation" on television when
it came to him. For months he had been walking streets and staring at
strangers, looking for a face and head shape that matched what he saw in
Kennewick Man's skull. To him, the skull had contours that "you typically
find in Europeans," as he recalls. "I was looking hard . . . Some people from
India that I saw looked similar but they lacked -- the cranial form was
different." Then onto the TV screen strode Capt. Jean Luc-Picard, the British
actor Patrick Stewart. Eureka! "I said, 'Whoa, that's the closest I've seen."
In his office basement on a March afternoon four years later, Chatters's
hands brush across a replica of Kennewick Man's head. "You can already see
the Patrick Stewart sighting," he is saying. Unshaven, Chatters wears jeans
and a polo shirt and sports a gold earring. He keeps the Kennewick head
replica as an icon in his musty split-level home in eastern Washington. "Look
how the nose projects," he says, caressing the head rapidly, "the slight
backward sweep of the cheekbones, this very delicate jaw . . ."
Chatters's life changed when the coroner of Benton County, Wash., telephoned
almost five years ago. The coroner had been asked to examine a mysterious
skeleton discovered during the Tri-City Water Follies hydroplane boat race on
the dam-slackened Columbia. A former federal research scientist who now ran
his own archaeology firm, Chatters was the coroner's occasional consultant.
Initially, Chatters declared that the bones probably belonged to a
19th-century European settler. He then sent a fragment off for radiocarbon
dating. When the lab reported that it was about 9,000 years old, Chatters
helped organize a news conference, although no peer-reviewed scientific work
had been completed. Before the assembled media, Chatters declared that the
skeleton "looks like no one I've ever seen before." But if he had to choose a
category, he would say the bones looked "Caucasoid," most resembling those of
a "pre-modern European."
Enraged by these racial speculations, five local Indian tribes organized a
formal coalition to demand the bones for reburial. They said the skeleton
much more likely belonged to an ancestor of theirs than to some sort of
ancient Caucasoid. ("Caucasoid" is a term used by physical anthropologists to
describe skull and skeletal shapes common today in Europe, the Middle East
and South Asia, and does not typically refer to skin color. However, the word
"Caucasian," which is often used by Americans to refer to whites, is defined
in Webster's as a synonym of "Caucasoid." Thus even when scientists believe
they are using a technical, race-neutral term, they can be understood as
referring directly to race.) The five Northwest tribes argued that federal
law required Chatters to consult with them when digging for bones with
probable Indian origin -- he seemed to be doing an end run around the law,
they said. Indian cultural traditions held that ancestors should be buried
with privacy and dignity, they said; Chatters was now making a public
spectacle of the remains.
The decision about the skeleton's fate fell to the Army Corps of Engineers,
which managed the land where it was found. Without explaining itself, the
Corps quickly sided with the Indians and moved to hand over the bones. That's
when the eight scientists found a lawyer and went to court. The injunction
they won in the fall of 1996 put Kennewick Man's bones on hold and is still
in force.
The Indians involved speak bitterly of Chatters's catalyzing conduct. They
see him as a self-aggrandizer trying to acquire a national reputation from
human remains he should never have been able to control. (Chatters has a book
out this month from Simon & Schuster about what Kennewick Man reveals about
early America.) Chatters and some of his scientific colleagues "chose to be
possessive and aggressive" when the remains were first discovered, says
Adelin Fredin, an anthropologist with the nearby Colville Indian tribe.
Chatters used legal ambiguities to challenge tribes' control over
archaeological resources in the Northwest, Fredin says. "My opinion is that
politics and ambition mixed real well."
From the start, the tribes saw the struggle over Kennewick Man's skeleton as
connected to wider challenges to Indian legal rights pressed by conservative
politicians. Congress, state legislatures and federal courts -- seeking to
honor broken treaties and redress past abuses -- have provided Northwestern
Indian tribes with expanding legal authority over natural resources and
cultural sites. Chatters seemed to be deliberately -- provocatively -- trying
to help those who want to roll back these tribal rights.
Chatters denies such motives and is harshly critical of the Indians. "This
modern-day hyper-politicized ethnicity business is irrelevant" to his pursuit
of science, he says. "God, I will tell you, this has been an education in the
racial politics of America to me." He says some of the evidence presented by
local tribes to support their claim of ancestral connection to the bones has
been invented. "Having grown up around them, I know 90 percent of this is
bunk."
Some academic anthropologists rebuke Chatters for his comparisons of
Kennewick Man to Patrick Stewart. Such talk of European-ness in poorly
studied bones was "bold speculation," wrote Alan Swedlund of the University
of Massachusetts-Amherst and Duane Anderson of the School of American
Research recently. "We cannot understand why it was necessary to make such
controversial and incendiary claims." But other anthropologists laud
Chatters's effort to protect very old remains for scientific study.
Some of the scientists suing over Kennewick Man believe his remains and about
a dozen other skeletons from the same period "look surprisingly non-American
Indian and leaning a little bit toward Caucasoid attributes," in the words of
George Gill, a University of Wyoming anthropologist who joined the case. Gill
and others theorize about a previously unknown population that might have
lived in the American Northwest 9,000 or more years ago, a group that might
have died off from disease or war. (After some initial excitement about the
possibility, Gill and all but a handful of scholars today are deeply
skeptical about the idea that this supposed mystery group came from Europe.
But they think the group may have had an Asian lineage distinct from the
ancestors of many modern Indian tribes.) In their skull shapes and skeletons,
"what you find with these ancient ones is that almost uniformly [they] fall
outside the range of modern populations," says the Smithsonian's Owsley. "I
firmly believe there are groups in the past that did not survive to the
present day, and Kennewick certainly could be one of those."
Other anthropologists reject such speculation as premature, saying there is
not nearly enough physical evidence. Yet others emphasize that skull and
skeletal features may never provide a reliable way to identify population
groups that lived so long ago, because not enough is known about how skulls
and skeletons change shape over thousands of years due to shifting diets and
environments. Although the divide is not neat or absolute, these debates
reflect a split between physical anthropologists, who study bones and defend
their value as windows on the past, and cultural anthropologists, who usually
study living peoples and who think that bone science, at best, offers limited
insights.
The debates also reflect fevered disarray in the academic study of early
North America. Until very recently, nearly all scientists taught a confident,
consensus narrative about how the continent was first populated. As the Ice
Age ended about 12,000 years ago, they said, Asian mammoth hunters migrated
from Siberia across a land bridge that stretched to modern Alaska. The
migrants then headed south through an ice-free corridor that led to today's
Montana. From there the hunters spread out and propagated. This was always a
questionable theory, more securely grounded in facts about prehistoric
geology than in hard evidence about human movements. Yet the story was often
taught in American schools as if it were certain.
No more. Kennewick Man surfaced just as new discoveries were encouraging
radical revisions of old theory. Evidence of late Ice Age human settlements
on California's channel islands, in Chile and elsewhere suggests that humans
may have first moved around the Americas by boat, and may have arrived much
earlier than previously believed. If a current consensus can be said to
exist, it describes multiple migrations from multiple Asian origins by
multiple means over thousands of years -- certainly not a single march across
the land bridge.
Archaeologists investigating prehistory have no records, no texts, and very
little undisputed evidence. Their work necessarily depends upon inference and
imagination. The Indians involved in the Kennewick case understand this. Some
of their own history is retold similarly -- a blend of facts, myths, stories
Marvels the Umatilla's Jeff Van Pelt about the scientists he is battling in
court, "They can take a very little bit of information and tell one of the
greatest stories you've ever heard."
The scientists who theorize about early America do so amid the multicultural
tensions of the modern United States. Sometimes the language they select to
describe possible ancient migrations and group rivalries seems to echo
current talk-radio debates about immigration, race, Indian rights and the
American melting pot.
"The most creative theories are often imaginative visions imposed upon facts;
the source of imagination is also strongly cultural," writes the evolutionary
biologist Stephen Jay Gould in The Mismeasure of Man. Some targets of
scientific investigation "are invested with enormous social importance but
blessed with very little reliable information." When this is true, "a history
of scientific attitudes may be little more than an oblique record of social
change."
So it is, certainly, with the question of race, the emotive issue joined on
the first day Jim Chatters caressed Kennewick Man's skull, searching for
evidence of his identity.
Human migration to the Americas helped create the modern idea of race. The
notion that people could be divided into distinct races was "a social
mechanism invented during the 18th century to refer to those populations
brought together in colonial America," as the American Anthropological
Association puts it. Race became the idea by which English and other European
settlers justified the subjugation of Indians and African slaves. Initially,
white settlers explained their concept in biblical terms. Later, Darwin
provided a biological framework for racists: White superiority had resulted
from natural selection.
Race and racism still thrive as social constructs, as lived experience. In
this sense, as long as racial discrimination produces hate crimes, racial
profiling by police, bias in the workplace and other offenses, then race not
only exists, it is urgent. Yet race as lived experience has always depended
to some extent on underlying assumptions about biology, on beliefs that
racial groupings offer some meaningful way to describe physical human
variation.
In recent years, however, scholarship about the biology of race has been
undergoing a quiet upheaval caused by insights from genetic science. And in
the same way that Kennewick Man has stoked fresh debate about American
prehistory, he has also provoked new argument about the meaning of race.
Mapping the global distribution of DNA in humans, evolutionary biologists
such as R.C. Lewontin and Alan R. Templeton have shown that modern social
races are barely perceptible in genetic terms. There is far greater variation
within any given racial group than there is between two racial groups. That
is, any two typical African American neighbors have many more genetic
differences between them than they do, as a pair, in comparison with two
whites down the street. Considering a variety of genetic evidence such as DNA
and blood types, the American Anthropological Association's executive board
concluded three years ago that about 94 percent of human physical variation
occurs within social races, just 6 percent between them.
As humans fanned out and conquered the planet, they slept with one another so
copiously as to blur the kinds of genetic groupings that define subspecies in
other mammals. Rampant copulation and global dominance over thousands of
years produced a human species that is exceptional among animals in its
genetic homogeneity. Two clans of chimpanzees that live on opposite sides of
a mountain will in some cases breed separately until they evolve into
genetically distinct subspecies. Two similar clans of humans will in every
case climb over the mountain and interbreed energetically until it is
impossible to tell the original clans apart -- so says humanity's global
genetic map.
Still, there are some genetic differences between human population groups.
When agriculture led some groups of people to sit still for generations,
their tendency to mate with partners close at hand produced some genetic
clustering -- thus the approximately 6 percent variation between racial
groups. The problem for defenders of the race concept, however, is that even
these mild group differences correlate best with geographical distance, not
traits like skin color or hair type that are commonly used to define social
race. (See charts, pages 21 and 22.) In other words, the most accurate way to
describe the small genetic variation that exists between groups is not to
focus on visual traits such as skin color, but to ask how far one group lives
from another. The farther away one group is from another, the greater the
genetic variation.
All in all, "when you quantify it at the molecular genetic level -- and take
all of the biases about skin color and hair out of it -- humans come out
remarkably homogenous," Templeton says.
Human skin color variation probably reflects differing adaptations to
ultraviolet light over thousands of years among dispersed, sedentary
populations, evolutionary biologists believe. Yet variations in skin color
correlate with very few other physical traits -- not with hair texture, not
with skull shape, not with skeletal shape and certainly not with important
DNA clusters, according to evolutionary biologists. As biology, color is an
isolated and unenlightening issue, truly just skin deep.
"We're not saying that human variation doesn't exist. Obviously it does. It's
just that 'race' doesn't explain it," says Alan Goodman, an anthropologist at
Hampshire College. Because people depend so heavily on eyesight to interpret
the world, they are susceptible to over-interpretation of visual cues such as
color, Goodman says.
Physical anthropologists who try to group people past and present by the
shapes of their skulls and skeletons have created additional confusion and
debate. Certain very stable skull features such as teeth can be useful guides
to human variation, nearly all anthropologists agree. But while physical
anthropologists strongly defend the use of skull shapes to generalize about
population groups, others question whether their methods are reliable. Ninety
years ago, the founder of modern American anthropology, Franz Boas,
demonstrated that human skull shapes can change markedly within a single
generation due to environmental factors. Today there is little scientific
consensus about how rapidly such skull-shape changes occur and why. Using
data on thousands of skulls from around the world, and measuring those skulls
57 different ways, anthropologist John Relethford of the State University of
New York College at Oneonta has shown recently that about 85 to 90 percent of
skull variation occurs within racial groups, and only 10 to 15 percent
between them -- closely matching the variation of molecular DNA.
Kennewick Man has become a symbol of this wider race debate because the
scientists suing over his remains are nearly all physical anthropologists
involved with skull research. Some of these scientists, such as Chatters, say
skull shape can be a good way to gain insights about population groups, but
that the larger concept of biological race should be rejected. Others, like
the Smithsonian's Owsley, say the question of whether biological race exists
is irrelevant. But another plaintiff, George Gill, argues vocally that
biological races do exist and ought to be acknowledged.
Gill, a physical anthropologist, says that when he examines modern skeletons
while working with law enforcement, he can predict race accurately from the
shape of skulls and bones about four times out of five. Given this, Gill
asks, why shouldn't he continue to use racial language to describe human
variation? "I think using the racial lens is often the easiest and best way
to look at it," he says.
Other anthropologists "think they're helping to reduce racial conflict and
racism by ignoring race or denying race," Gill continues. "I think that's a
mistake." Since all biologists admit there is at least some human variation
between groups, the question is what language to use to describe those
groups. Why not race? "Some of us are afraid to use these words, and some of
us are not," Gill says.
Gill enrages many cultural anthropologists. They see his insistence on race
as advancing a destructive system of thought -- a set of ideas that has
spilled the blood of millions. They ask, Why retain the language and
categories of race when the underlying biology is not at all convincing?
These anthropologists see Gill's ability to deduce race from skeletons as a
kind of conjurer's trick that depends on circular definitions and faulty
data. In any event, what genetic research makes clear, they say, is that the
very modest group variation described by physical anthropologists "is not
race, it's geography," says Goodman.
Even if the idea of biological race were vanquished, racism would remain. And
because racism persists as lived experience, laws have been enacted to fight
discrimination. To enforce civil rights laws, for instance, the federal
government monitors bias in housing and employment. To do that, it needs to
measure racial groups accurately. And so it must define racial categories.
The government's official policy on race definition is contained in the
Office of Management and Budget's "Directive 15: Race and Ethnic Standards
for Federal Statistics and Administrative Reporting," which was updated and
reissued in 1997. The directive rejects a biological basis for race even
while reinforcing the importance of race categories.
The government's race categories "are not anthropologically or scientifically
based" and "should not be primarily biological or genetic in reference," the
directive says. "Race and ethnicity may be thought of in terms of social and
cultural characteristics as well as ancestry."
Some civil rights activists fear that a rejection of biological race will
lead to premature declarations that America is a
colorblind society, undermining legal protections for minorities. But most
anthropologists want to move faster toward a world where race language and
concepts are in retreat. In a reply to Directive 15, the American
Anthropological Association argued that it would be better to phase out the
language of race because of its false and misleading biological connotations,
and perhaps use phrases such as "ethnic origins" that may more clearly denote
cultural identity.
And what does all this debate say about the identity of 9,000-year-old
Kennewick Man? Is he Caucasoid? Indian? Indian but not the same as modern
Indian? A nonspecific, generalized early American? "We want to order the
world. And gray is harder to order," argues Goodman. Ultimately, "Kennewick
Man could be the textbook case of why race science doesn't work."
To reach the office of Douglas Owsley, the Smithsonian anthropologist suing
for the right to study Kennewick Man, you step through the lobby of the
National Museum of Natural History off Constitution Avenue, climb the stairs
to the third floor, and enter a hall lined with rows and rows of storage
bins.
The bins appear at first to be innocuous trays that might hold nuts and bolts
at a hardware store. But then you notice, in a few that have been opened, the
odd bony finger sticking out. Inside, as it happens, are many human bones.
Skulls. Rib cages. Thigh bones. Feet.
Hundreds and hundreds of dead Indians lie stored in these Smithsonian halls.
They are among the 18,000 Indian remains collected by the museum as
biological specimens from graveyards and military battlefields in the
American West during the 19th century, as the Army waged what amounted in
many cases to campaigns of extermination against indigenous tribes. In a few
instances, skeletons were collected as battle trophies. Thousands of these
remains are still curated today for scientific study in one of the country's
most prestigious cultural institutions.
Like the debates about early American migration and biological race, the
story of these bones marks a path to the meanings of Kennewick Man.
In 1865, Surgeon General William Hammond issued an order to all Army medical
officers "to collect, and to forward to the office of the Surgeon General,
all specimens of morbid anatomy, surgical or medical, which may be regarded
as valuable." At forts around the West, Indian-hunting Army surgeons fanned
out to comply. The surgeons eventually collected about 800 skeletons,
including those of some Indian battle victims who were boiled down to their
bones, packed up and shipped by train to Washington. There they joined the
remains of about 2,000 other Indians at the Army Medical Museum, a macabre
laboratory of saws and brain measurement devices located for many years in
Washington's old Ford's Theatre, after it was closed because of Abraham
Lincoln's assassination.
The Army's collection was the most militaristic expression of a wider
19th-century enthusiasm for pilfered Indian skeletons. Bone fever gripped
museums across the country, from the Smithsonian to Harvard to New York to
St. Louis. Curators competed for skeletons from commercial brokers. Rewarded
with cash and inspired by early American naturalists such as Thomas
Jefferson, western travelers routinely robbed Indian grave sites or bartered
for skulls, hoping to contribute to science. Back East, scientists aiming to
prove the innate superiority of whites studied crackpot textbooks such as
Samuel Morton's influential Crania Americana. Scribbling by candlelight, the
scientists poured birdshot into hollowed Indian skulls to measure just how
little brain they could hold. Their work created a foundation for the race
science that later offered intellectual underpinnings for the Holocaust.
By the time 20th-century anthropologists and curators concluded it was
unethical to collect Indian bones, America's museums possessed a vast
inventory -- the 18,000 remains at the Smithsonian, plus tens of thousands
more at other major municipal museums and universities. (The Smithsonian also
has a large anthropological collection of human brains from the same period
that is stored today in Suitland.)
A campaign for redress by Indian leaders led finally to the 1990 Native
American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, or NAGPRA, sign
~CherylB
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (12:07)
#627
There is also a theory that Kennewick Man shared certain characteristics with the surviving current Ainu population of northern Japan.
~horrible
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (16:21)
#628
Alas theory,if the USA wasn't so tied by PC, fact and not theory would rule.Try searching some of the European and Australian,Middle Eastern and newly emerging web sites from the former communist countries.The wealth of information on these sites is overwhelming and not hidebound by consideration of some Micky Mouse set of rules.From this side of the world it appears that the Native American needs to have his palm greased before he will do anything...........
~MarciaH
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (16:31)
#629
Ah yes, you are allowed to say that since you are not one of the heirs of the perpetrators of evil against all nations other than the white ones. It is an unhappy situation no matter whose side you take. I could just as well claim that man as MY ancestor since he was caucasian and NOT indian. I am more than a little furious at the way this has been handled. We all lose in this one. Americans can be so stupid about some very important things!
~horrible
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (19:21)
#630
The power that Elizabeth Dole wielded is good example ........You can die for America as a teenager but not have a drink.Alcohol has replaced the "Reds s the new enemy.What sort of prissy nation is developing here? Dole? do you know how she manipulated the rules of the Great USA for her own narrow ends?
~horrible
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (19:22)
#631
Why is there a guilt factor in all aspects of life these days?
~horrible
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (19:24)
#632
Sorry I should have said in "some "countrys
~horrible
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (19:27)
#633
In the time of Slavery for example ,the Irish were treated by the English in a manner that no slave owner could afford.After all he had to buy a slave ..we came free ..think about it.we were expendable
~horrible
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (19:30)
#634
And yet I was happy to work and live in England and I like the English..then I dont have any guilt complex
~MarciaH
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (19:44)
#635
I don't have a guilt complex either. I have never met anyone I did not appreciate on a personal level. Character matters. Your ancestors do not. you are a very good sort, H_H, in more ways than one would imagine. *hugs*
Hate to mention this, but didn't the Irish acquire their Patron Saint on a slave raid to Wales?!
~MarciaH
Sat, Jun 9, 2001 (19:50)
#636
Liam, would you please let us know about Elizabeth Dole, and is it about the Red Cross? I have not a whole lot good to say about the Red Cross.
~horrible
Sun, Jun 10, 2001 (06:02)
#637
Dole threatened to withhold funds from States that did not hike the drinking age limit,she actually wants it to be 25!! imagine half a liftime gone without a glass of Californias best.Yes we got the slave from Wales and other places as well
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 10, 2001 (16:32)
#638
The Puritans took over the US long ago. The now lurk in th guise of politicians and Tipper Gore and her ilk were finding hidden messages in rock music where none existed and her stickers were an added inducement to buy them for the kiddies she was trying to protect. As for age limits on drinking, that is liek gon control. They drink earlier and earliier in gradeschool because they are not taught how to deal with it at home. I got watered wine early in life for dinner and never did drink, nor did my sisters. Making things illegal just drives it underground and makes it more and more intriguing. Dole and her like are a menace.
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 12, 2001 (16:25)
#639
Thanks Don! I wish you had time to come read and participate...
Chicago Natural History Museum to Return Totem Pole to Indian Tribe in Alaska
The Associated Press
CHICAGO (AP) - The Field Museum of Natural History will give one of its
most treasured items, a 27-foot totem pole, to an American Indian tribe
that asked for its return.
The totem pole was taken as part of an 1899 expedition to collect
American Indian artifacts and other items in the Alaskan territory for
the museum. It will be shipped by summer to Cape Fox, Alaska, a spot
considered sacred by members of the Tlingit Native American nation.
"This is a very important object for us to have returned and it will be
the cause for much celebration," said Irene Shields, a spokeswoman for
the 16,000-member Tlingit nation. "These items are so important for us
to have to convey our traditions and history to our children and
grandchildren."
The pole is the latest of several items the museum has returned to
American Indian groups under terms of the 1990 Native American Graves
Protection and Repatriation Act.
The museum, which has one of the country's largest American Indian
collections, has returned a carved wheel, beads and eagle feathers to
the Arapaho tribe in northern Arizona. It has also given back a stone
basket to the San Manuel Mission band of Indians in California, and a
shaman's robe to the Kootznoowoo in Alaska.
"I try to understand the times when our sacred objects were taken from
us and I know they were different then," Shields said. "Being able to
get these things back is all very new to us."
AP-ES-06-10-01 2009EDT
This story can be found at :
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAD9X2HTNC.html
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 12, 2001 (18:15)
#640
http://www.vernonweb.com/vwnews.htm
"Representatives of Native American nations who were present at the 5/31 TC meeting made
comments to the effect that, in light of earlier TC meetings concerning the park plan, the TC's
actions had been deceitful and treacherous. They pointed out the township's deliberate
bulldozing of the artifacts grounds before an alternative park design could be presented.
It was also suggested that, if remains of Lenni Lenape inhabitants are disturbed, a federal human
rights issue might be in prospect."
~terry
Wed, Jun 13, 2001 (08:44)
#641
Roots � Deep Ones
The perils of looking into American prehistory.
By John J. Miller, NR's national political reporter
June 9-10, 2001
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ne of the secrets of archaeology is that many truly great finds aren't
made by archaeologists. It was a farmer, Harold Conover, who stumbled
on a clue in the late 1980s that led to a magnificent site in Virginia
called Cactus Hill. Conover and his wife were walking on logging roads
near their home when he spotted a few Indian artifacts mixed in the
sand. He soon traced the sand back to a quarry about ten miles away.
Thanks to this detective work, a group of archaeologists led by Joseph
McAvoy started digging near that quarry in the early 1990s. They
unearthed signs of human habitation stretching back about 18,000 years
� making Cactus Hill one of the two or three oldest sites in North
America. They also found evidence to support one of the most
provocative developments of our time: the growing suspicion among
physical anthropologists, archaeologists, and even geneticists that
some of the first people who settled in the New World were Europeans.
continued @
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 13, 2001 (15:23)
#642
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 13, 2001 (15:26)
#643
Terry... arrrgh! what is the rest of that url? Fascinating.
I have a friend who is an archaeologist for the Army Corps of Engineers. He gets to go out and discover what is worth saving and if the road or dam construction should be halted until he can do excavating and so forth. He can walk the ground and sense things we never see and find things lying "hidden in plain sight." It is truly a gift. And the product of hard work and study.
~terry
Wed, Jun 13, 2001 (15:42)
#644
http://www.nationalreview.com/weekend/anthropology/anthropology-miller060901.shtml
Does this work?
~horrible
Wed, Jun 13, 2001 (17:18)
#645
It did Terry ,will read it later
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 13, 2001 (18:05)
#646
Thanks Terry! Now, if only I could find my FTP files on the net so I could post a few images...*sigh*
I see that you managed to post, Horace! does this mean your spring difficulties are fixed?
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 14, 2001 (14:33)
#647
http://www.adn.com/metro/story/0,2633,274172,00.html
Natives give DNA to solve mystery of ancient man PUZZLE: 500-year-old body was found at glacier's foot.
By Cathy Brown
The Associated Press
(Published June 13, 2001)
Juneau -- Southeast Alaska Natives are donating drops of blood this week
to help unravel the mystery of a man who died more than 500 years ago on
the ice of British Columbia.
The body of the man called Kwaday Dan Sinchi, or "Long Ago Man Found,"
was discovered by sheep hunters in 1999 at the foot of a melting glacier
in Tatshenshini-Alsek Park near the British Columbia-Yukon border.
Champagne and Aishihik First Nations in Canada decided to take DNA
samples from present-day Tlingit of Southeast Alaska and Athabaskan
Tutshone people in Canada to see if genetic material links them with the
ancient man.
"People are very interested to find out, if it's possible, which
communities he may be connected to," said Chuck Smythe, an ethnologist
with Sealaska Heritage Foundation in Juneau.
"It's very interesting to know because this man was found in an area
that was a shared area between the Canadian tribes and the Alaska
tribes, and there was a lot of intermarriage and trade, commerce and
interaction."
Harryet Rappier of Juneau said the pin prick to draw her blood was a
small inconvenience for the chance to learn more about her relatives to
the north. Her mother was born in Klukshu, Yukon, in 1903.
"I just can't get enough information from that part of the country,"
Rappier said. "I'd like to know more about my mother's people."
Loretta "Betty" Marvin of Juneau, whose mother was born in Haines, was
also happy to cooperate.
"To me this is pretty interesting, very fascinating, to be able to find
out and check back,what is it, 500 years, and there's maybe a
possibility I could be a relative," Marvin said. "And it's just kind of
fascinating to know what DNA can do."
More than 50 people showed up at the Sealaska building in Juneau on
Monday and Tuesday to share stories and blood samples with a team of
First Nations workers. In Alaska, the First Nations group is
particularly interested in testing DNA of people with ancestors from
Yakutat, Klukwan and Haines.
Along with the blood samples, the group is collecting genealogical
information.
The DNA study is one of a couple dozen studies First Nations and
universities in Canada, the United States, Great Britain and Australia
are conducting on the man and the artifacts found near him, said Sarah
Gaunt, heritage planner for Champagne and Aishihik First Nations.
Although the man's head was missing, ice preserved most of the body,
Smythe said.
Studies so far have shown Kwaday Dan Tsinchi was probably in his late
teens or early 20s and was in good health. He had food with him -- a
pouch of dried chum salmon was found in his robe.
Gaunt said the cause of death isn't known yet. Oral history suggests his
fate may have been common.
"There's quite a lot of stories here and in the Interior of people who
traveled and didn't come home," Gaunt said.
Hunting tools, a hat, robe and other artifacts lay near the body. The
hat and robe have been dated to between 1415 and 1445, A.D.
Where Kwaday Dan Tsinchi was from is a puzzle.
The finely woven spruce root hat found with him was in the style of the
coastal Tlingit, but the robe was of Interior gopher fur -- a material
Harryet Rappier remembers in a blanket her grandmother once had.
The hunting tools also provide conflicting clues, Gaunt said. Some of
the wood is from coastal trees, but in other cases the wood comes from
the Interior.
And researchers found pollen on the robe from a meadow-like area, from
high alpine alder, from river valley vegetation and from coastal
hemlock.
"There's four ecosystems represented in the coat alone, which means it
was a well-traveled coat," Gaunt said.
While some Lower 48 Native Americans have objected to studies of ancient
remains, Gaunt said this case was different because a legal agreement
between Champagne and Aishihik First Nations and the British Columbia
government clearly gave First Nations ownership of the body and the
artifacts found with it.
That level of control provided the comfort needed to proceed with
studies, Gaunt said. The group allowed access to the remains for
biological studies only until December of 2000. A decision on how the
body ultimately will be laid to rest hasn't been settled, Gaunt said.
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 14, 2001 (18:57)
#648
On the other hand.....*HUGS* to Liam for this:
Gum disease decoded
SCIENTISTS have successfully read the entire
genetic code of a bacterium believed to cause gum
disease.
The breakthrough is a major advance in the effort
to develop vaccines and drugs to combat
Porphyromonas gingivalis. The genetic code of the
cause of adult periodontitis and tooth loss were
released on the internet on Tuesday.
The project to read all 2.3 million "letters" of code
was carried out by Dr Robert Fleischmann at the
Institute for Genomic Research in Rockville,
Maryland, in collaboration with the Forsyth
Institute in Boston.
26 April 2001: Diabetes linked to gum disease
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 14, 2001 (20:59)
#649
To Don, for 25 year of meritorious and diligent service for the Army Coprs of Engineers as an archaeologist on behalf of all Americans, with great affection and appreciation:
Maile & Tuberose
Traditional Green Open End Maile Lei twined together with 2
White Tuberose Lei. This combination of three leis is worn by
men's for weddings and special occasions.
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 14, 2001 (21:00)
#650
I forgot your Rolex and your Range Rover... I'll bring them with me!
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 15, 2001 (21:19)
#651
Prime rib dinner for the gentleman served in the manner he wishes and where he wishes. He did not even get a peanut butter sandwich! We do not compensate devotion very well in this country. I am most disappointed! *Hugs* Don!
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 17, 2001 (20:52)
#652
OLD WORLD NEWS
The Tucson Citizen has a feature on early humans' diet:
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/6_14_01fish.html
A recent paper is disputing the Scot's Irish origins:
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/11-6-19101-0-51-36.html
A bronze age site has been revealed near Hostivice:
http://www.pbj.cz/common/article.asp?id=121541&site=1
Six tombs dating to 3000 B.C./B.C.E. have been discovered outside Cairo:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_324538.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/16/review/review9.html
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/story_14329.asp
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/2001/06/12/FFXIWM1KUNC.html
A British weather man has suggested weather can explain a number of
Biblical events:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003100565149417&rtmo=QeSk3e3R&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/01/6/17/nbibl17.html
A number of Sassanid dynasty coins have been found:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010613/sc/syria_archaeology_1.html
http://europe.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/06/13/syria.coins.ap/index.html
The Cyprus PIO has a brief item on the excavation of the theatre at Paphos:
http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cypio/2001/01-06-13.cypio.html#03
There is now more evidence that the Colosseum was built from spoils from
the sack of Jerusalem:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000579381554028&rtmo=wKtet5fb&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/01/6/15/wcol15.html
Also in regards to the Colosseum, plans are in the works to restore it to
its original colour:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010614/wl/italy_colosseum_2.html
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-eur/2001/jun/14/061400786.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/22999.html (spelling!)
A dozen or so Roman ships found near the Sardinian port of Olbia are
beginning to give up their secrets:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1385000/1385326.stm
MSNBC has a feature on Australian archaeologist Rhys Jones:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/587594.asp
Researchers using archaeological evidence have suggested that taller people
live longer:
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=77944
The latest use of DNA research appears to be to determine the origins of
India's caste system:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/hsn/20010519/hl/genes_confirm_origin_of_india_s_castes_1.html
Weird stuff: museum officials in Britain have to deal with an upsurge in
"mummy worship":
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=77419
NEW WORLD NEWS
Genetic testing is being done to find living relative of Canada's "Ice Man":
http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSScience0106/13_ancient-ap.html
http://www.msnbc.com/news/586829.asp
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20010613_474.html
http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/national/27407_ice14.shtml
There's concern about 'mom and pop' approaches to er, 'archaeology' in Oregon:
http://www.kptv.com/news/local/story.asp?content_id=466348
http://www.kgw.com/kgwnews/oregonwash_story.html?StoryID=21386
The Arizona Republic has a feature on Phoenix archaeologist Todd Bostwick:
http://www.arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0612Dig12.html
It sounds like we're going to be hearing more about Mesa Verde:
http://db.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=701491&pic=none&TP=getlifestyle
http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/national/27337_ruins14.shtml
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_617159,00.html
cf. http://www.discoveringarchaeology.com/0699toc/6special-mv1.shtml
ON THE NEWSSTANDS
Egypt Revealed has a piece on a "gender confused" mummy:
http://www.egyptrevealed.com/061401-mummysexchange.shtml
CLASSICIST'S CORNER
A bunch of runners have retraced the gruelling 110km route of Euchidas:
http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=12913&m=A48&aa=1&eidos=S
The Independent has a touristy sort of piece with plenty of classical
references on Italy: the land of myths:
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=77459
FAZ has a feature on the temple of Zeus at Olympia:
http://www.faz.com/IN/INtemplates/eFAZ/docmain.asp?rub={B1311FD3-FBFB-11D2-B228-00105A9CAF88}&doc={6C641DF5-5FE1-11D5-A3B5-009027BA22E4}&width=800&height=572&agt=netscape&ver=4&svr=4.7
There's a big article on Atlantis kicking around various newspapers:
http://news.excite.com/news/ap/010613/12/ent-wkd-atlantis-myths
FOLLOWUPS
Herakleion:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001200227,00.html
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o090621ka.htm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=194471&thesection=news&thesubsection=world
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,503588,00.html
Hunley:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/588079.asp
Phillipeion returned antiquities:
http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=12914&m=A39&aa=3&eidos=S
OBITUARIES
Graham Webster:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,60-2001200161,00.html
Edward Wright:
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/breakingnews/International/0,3561,973614,00.html
AT ABOUT.COM
Ancient History Guide N.S. Gill's latest is on Teiresias in Ovid's
Metamorphoses:
http://ancienthistory.about.com/homework/ancienthistory/library/weekly/aa061201a.htm
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 17, 2001 (22:43)
#653
Ancient village leaves little evidence in Hawaii Kai
The old heiau has almost disappeared, and restoration may be impossible
By Nelson Daranciang
ndarancian@starbulletin.com
Nothing remains of the ancient Hawaiian village in Hawaii Kai. Only rocks covered with
old construction material mark the nearby heiau.
In 1993, John Delima said, a friend took him to the site where they made a traditional
Hawaiian offering. They also surveyed the surrounding area.
"It pains me to see that nothing is or was ever done to protect this heiau or the remains of
the village," he said. "I just wanted to spread awareness of it and maybe somebody would
step up and put a fence around it and people would leave it alone."
Archaeologist Gilbert McAllister plotted the location of Hawea Heiau in 1930 for the
Bishop Museum, which published his findings in "Archaeology of Oahu."
"It was already damaged in 1930. Rocks were taken to reconstruct the Keahupua O
Maunalua Fish Pond (now known as Kuapa Pond). And it was finished off during the
construction of Kaluanui Road in the '50s and '60s for Mariners Ridge," said Sarah
Collins, state archaeologist.
The heiau was mauka of the Hawaii Kai Post Office on the side of the hill, Collins said.
Delima said he found a map showing that the village stretched from the heiau down toward
where the Oahu Club now sits. But when he surveyed the site, he found no signs of the
village.
Collins said no burials were found in the area.
more... http://starbulletin.com/2001/06/17/news/
~MarciaH
Mon, Jun 18, 2001 (21:16)
#654
Got sharp eyes, keen love for the past and a passion for its preservation but no diploma to show you are worthy? These guys will take care of that need and help you fulfill this dream!
http://www.cr.nps.gov/seac/pii.htm#NAI1990
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 19, 2001 (14:11)
#655
From Ireland from Liam.... thanks!!!
Luas archaeological digs uncovers human skeleton
By Frank McDonald, Environment Editor
Archaeological digs along the route of Dublin's Luas light rail
system have revealed a partially dismembered human skeleton
and a 14th century animal horn from an extinct species of
cattle, among other major finds.
Mr Jim Quinlan, architect with the light rail project office, said
the former Maguire and Patterson site off Church Street had
yielded a surprising amount of material, including an 18th
century cobbled lane with four previous road surfaces.
As its location is near St Michan's Church, dating back to
1095, desktop studies identified the site as having high
archaeological potential. As a result, the office commissioned
archaeologists Margaret Gowen and Company to excavate it.
Old maps suggest the site may lie within the curtilage of St
Michan's, though it is now separated from the church by a Law
Library building. Barristers there were given a presentation on
the dig.
Finds included an intact 18th century wine bottle, pottery jug
and drinking vessel. But Mr Quinlan said the skeleton was the
"most exciting find of all". Missing its right arm and leg, it may
date from the 18th century also. Pending a report on the dig,
the site is to be back-filled and covered to protect further
deposits below the excavated level.
The archaeologists have moved to another site beside the
former Jameson distillery in Smithfield, where two wells and a
cess pit which may date from the sixth century have been
found.
According to Mr Quinlan, although laying Luas trackbeds does
not require significant construction depths, the diversion of
sewage mains, electricity lines and other utilities can mean deep
digs.
An earlier excavation at Ballymount, adjacent to a prehistoric
enclosure to the north of Tallaght, yielded shards of pottery and
a cobbled yard. Further digging last summer revealed a
possible souterrain chamber.
The archaeologists are on call to deal with unexpected finds
along the Luas alignment. They are monitoring the demolition of
buildings on the south side of Mary's Abbey. All of the
excavations have been licensed by D�chas, the Heritage
Service.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2001/0619/hom12.htm
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 20, 2001 (17:48)
#656
From Liam, again...
June 19 � The battle between Indians and scientists over a 9,300-year-old skeleton is landing in court, again.
A U.S. magistrate in Portland, Ore., is hearing oral arguments today in the lawsuit
brought by eight prominent anthropologists against the federal government over
whether they can study Kennewick Man.
They say the skeleton, found in 1996 by college students near the banks of the
Columbia River in Washington, doesn't resemble modern American Indians and
could radically change theories about the earliest inhabitants of the Americas. Some
scientists say Kennewick Man's bones most resemble those of modern people in
East Asia.
But scientists may never have the opportunity for further study. In September, the
Department of Interior ruled the skeleton should be turned over to five Northwest
tribes who claim the skeleton as an ancestor and want to rebury it under a 1990
federal law. The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act, or NAGPRA,
was designed to give tribes power over Indian remains and artifacts held by
museums or found on federal and Indian land.
more... http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/kennewick_hearing010619.html
~horrible
Wed, Jun 20, 2001 (18:23)
#657
The Sun has just set here and I have tried to capture the scene on a slide show at http://homepage.eircom.net/~bree/dolmen.html hope the magic comes through.And moments later the most spectacular meteorite for years spun its magic too..what a night
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 20, 2001 (21:25)
#658
OH LIAM!!! Great portent!!!
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 22, 2001 (18:18)
#659
Liam, this is from you, for which I give my thanks. It is fascinating to think how far back the not-out-of-Africa origins might go...
Korean-Russian Team Unearth Neolithic Settlements
Korea and Russia have conducted a joint excavation on Suchu Islet, located
near the Russian city of Havarovsk, and successfully discovered two
underground settlements that go back to the Neolithic age it was announced
Thursday. The project was carried out in July and August of 2000 by Korea's
National Institute of Cultural Properties and the Institute of Archaeology and
Ethnology (a Siberian branch of Russian Academy of Sciences).
Along with excavations of the two settlements, the joint team also unearthed
many artifacts of the same age inside the settlements, 8,000 in total, which
included figures of women and animals made of clay. The two settlements
are said to date back to 3,500-4,000 B.C.
The Suchu Islet has long been considered a treasure for the world's
archaeologists, due to its wealth of artifacts dating back to antiquity.
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200106/200106210296.html
~MarciaH
Mon, Jun 25, 2001 (02:10)
#660
Tribes unearth their past in paper
Documents buried in East Coast archives offer Northwest Native Americans
valuable, and often painful, links to their history
Saturday, June 23, 2001
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By Alice Tallmadge, Correspondent, The Oregonian
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/news/oreg
onian/nw_71recor23.frame
EUGENE -- When George Wasson traveled to the Smithsonian
Institution in Washington, D.C., more than 25 years ago, it was to hunt down
and piece together the shards of his Native American legacy.
That simple quest has led to the discovery of more than 110,000
pages of forgotten documents that are helping 45 tribes from throughout
the Northwest establish stronger links to their past and better
understand their cultural and historical identities.
The trove includes archival documents -- maps, letters from
Indian agents, military documents, word lists and cultural notes from
early explorers -- that had been inaccessible to Native American tribes
for decades.
Wasson admits that the discovery of the documents, found
during two research trips to the National Anthropological Archives and the
National Archives, both at the Smithsonian Institution, opens searing
wounds about how native people were treated by Western settlers and
the U.S. military.
But they also are giving hope and strength to hundreds of Native
Americans whose ancestors once had dominion over lands that
stretched the length of the Oregon coast and to Southwest Washington
and Northern California.
"The worst tragedy to a cultural group is not merely the brutality
and slaughter of the people," said Wasson, a member of the Coquille
Tribe and a doctoral recipient from the University of Oregon.
"Holocaust is terrible, but the immediate pain is for young people who are
separated from their culture and traditions. They inherit the pain and
anguish of their ancestors."
"These documents mean more to us than interesting papers,"
said Jason Younker, a UO doctoral candidate and member of the Coquille
Tribe. "They are actually proof that we were here."
The Coquille Tribe was terminated in 1954, Younker said. "And
until restoration in 1988, we were not Indians. Growing up a
generation from that experience has a tremendous impact on your psyche. Now
here we have overwhelming credibility to what we have already known: that we
truly are the Coquille people."
The Coquille Tribe and the university have co-sponsored the
project, and copies of all the documents are being housed in the UO Knight
Library's Division of Special Collections. Younker, who helped research
archives at the Smithsonian, estimated the tribe has invested about
$110,000 on the project. This tribe recently donated $10,000 to support
research and access to the collection.
Digging out history
Wasson first got wind of a possible trove of documents in the
mid-1970s when he traveled to the Smithsonian to do research. He found
the unpublished field notes of John P. Harrington, an ethno-linguist
who interviewed the oldest speakers of coastal Native American
dialects in the 1930s and '40s. Wasson said he never forgot "the vast
amount of information held back there" on native people.
An assistant dean of students at the UO, Wasson retired and
returned to graduate school. In 1995, he secured funding from the university
to establish the Southwest Oregon Research Project. He used the
funds to take tribal researchers and a group of students to the
Smithsonian.
The group pored over paper and microfiche documents until their
eyes burned, marking everything that referred to Indian tribes who
once populated the southwest Oregon coast. Although told they
"wouldn't find much," they unearthed 50,000 pages of documents.
The researchers' mission was not to actually read through all the
documents, but sometimes they couldn't stop themselves, Wasson said.
Sometimes they wept.
"There was a soldier's comments about marching people from
Port Orford to Yachats," Wasson remembered. "An old woman was walking
barefoot. He gave her cloth to bind her feet, but it didn't help. He wrote that he could tell when she was ahead of him, he could see her bloody
footprints, climbing over the rock, climbing over the (area of) Sea
Lion Caves."
On their return, the group gave copies of the documents to the
UO library. They also presented copies to seven Oregon coastal
tribes, distributing the papers at a potlatch (give-away ceremony), the
first held in the area in 150 years.
A return trip in 1999 yielded 60,000 more pages of documents,
this time with a geographical reach that extended into southern
Washington, Central Oregon, western Idaho and Nevada.
The group held a second potlatch a few weeks ago, presenting
copies of relevant documents to representatives of 44 Northwest tribes.
Jon Erlandson, UO professor of anthropology, called Wasson the
"godfather" of the research project.
"These documents have been hidden and inaccessible to Indian
people and other scholars for decades, sometimes 100 years," he said.
"Now Indian people can read them, use them and rewrite their own histories
in their own communities."
Erlandson said the documents paint a different story than that
found in history books, giving details of such events as the coastal
Indians' forced removal from their homelands and the Supreme Court's
refusal to accept the testimony of native elders in determining land
ownership.
"It's a very emotional process of discovery," he said. "For some,
it's too painful to continue. For others, the opportunity to right the
wrongs of traditional history is very compelling." So far, aspects of the
research have been the focus of six doctoral candidates and six master's
papers.
The research also will help historians and archaeologists.
Because destruction of Oregon's coastal tribes came so swiftly as a result
of the California gold rush, much information was lost before it
could be collected, said Richard Hanes, cultural program leader for the
Bureau of Land Management for Oregon and Washington. He said the
documents will enable public land agencies to give more protection to traditional sacred sites.
Erlandson said the project also shows that anthropologists don't
have to be at odds with Indian tribes, as in the controversy over ancient
human remains dubbed the Kennewick Man.
"This is a wonderful example of collaboration and the synergy
that develops when we build bridges between institutions of higher
learning, the tribes and the Smithsonian," he said. "This is the way it ought
to be done."
JoAllyn Archambault, director of the American Indian Program at
the Smithsonian's Museum of Natural History, agreed. "This is one of
those rare projects where everyone wins," she said. "The value to
native people is just amazing. Just incredible."
Wasson, who completed his doctorate Friday, said the archival
project is still in its infancy and needs to grow. The materials already
collected have to be researched, he said, and there needs to be expansion
into other areas.
Plus, the vein of archival treasure at the Smithsonian is far from
being tapped out, he said. "It's stunning how much there is back there."
~MarciaH
Mon, Jun 25, 2001 (17:04)
#661
Also from Liam and The Telegraph, the fount of interesting stuff for geo:
Napoleon 'poisoned by French royalists'
A LEADING British expert on Napoleon has given his backing to the theory that the deposed French Emperor was assassinated by his fellow countrymen.
Dr David Chandler, considered the foremost living authority on Napoleon, believes that history books should be re-written to include a final chapter on the conspiracy behind his death.
It has taken decades for Dr Chandler and other academics to accept that one of the greatest military commanders in history was assassinated. For more than a century, it had been accepted that Napoleon died from stomach cancer aged 52 on May 5, 1821. But Dr Chandler is now "99.9 per cent certain" that one of France's greatest heroes was poisoned by his campatriots on St Helena, the south Atlantic island to which he was exiled following defeat in 1815.
The historian claims that between his arrival and his death six years later, Napoleon was systematically poisoned with arsenic given to him by Count Charles de Montholon, a man he regarded as his closest friend on the island but who, in fact, was acting on the orders of French royalists. The monarchy was motivated by the fear that Napoleon would return to France and lead another revolution.
Earlier this month, hair belonging to Napoleon was found to contain excessive amounts of arsenic in tests commissioned by Ben Weider, a Canadian millionaire and historian who has championed the murder theory for the last 50 years.
Dr Chandler, whose works on the French-born Corsican include the Campaigns of Napoleon, has taken 30 years to accept his conclusions. He said: "After long checking, I am convinced 99.9 per cent that Napoleon was murdered. The only murderer must have been Count Charles-Tristan de Montholon. De Montholon was in the right place at the right time and had a sufficient motive to kill his emperor."
An army officer who had an undistinguished career during the Napoleonic wars, de Montholon had left himself open to bribery after he was caught stealing money from regimental funds. The Comte d'Artois, brother of Louis XVIII, who had tried to assassinate Napoleon on several occasions, used the information to blackmail de Montholon to become the assassin.
For years de Montholon fed his leader wine laced with arsenic which made him ill but was not deadly. However, a mixture of an orange drink, bitter almonds and calomel created a lethal cocktail. Calomel added to arsenic produces strichnine which both kills and then removes all symptoms.
~MarciaH
Mon, Jun 25, 2001 (23:30)
#662
EXPLORATOR
Watching the Web for News of the Ancient World
Volume 4, Issue 8 -- June 24, 2001
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OLD WORLD NEWS
A trio of 5600-year-old mummies are challenging conventional theories for
the reasons for the process:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001201920,00.html
Here's one I missed: back in May, FAZ had a piece on Tel Cheura (in English):
http://www.faz.com/IN/INtemplates/eFAZ/docmain.asp?sub={F1B72E51-3783-11D4-A3AA-009027BA22E4}&doc={C7B015D3-52D1-11D5-A3B5-009027BA22E4}
National Geographic has a nice piece on the search for the Queen of Sheba:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0612_sheba.html
Athens News has a feature on the Helike project:
http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=12915&m=A25&aa=1&eidos=S
(check out the project website at: http://www.geoprobe.org/helike/index.html )
A body has been found for Livia's head in the Ashmolean:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,61-2001210561,00.html
They've re-erected the obelisk which once graced the hippodrome at Caesarea:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010618/wl/israel_obelisk_1.html
It wouldn't be summer without an account of the goings on at Stonehenge at
the solstice:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1398000/1398810.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4208370,00.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0620_Stonecircles.html
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001211781,00.html
Mitteldeutsche Zeitung has a feature on a very large 9th century graveyard
being excavated near Buro:
http://www.mz-web.de/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=mz_web/pages/regionales/news_ArtikelColl&RegionalRubrik=anh&RegionalRubrikName=Anhalt&MZWebArtikelID=993240121027
Robert Ballard is heading back to the Black Sea to look for evidence of
the/a Flood:
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/06/17/stifgneeu01002.html
UNESCO is worried about Mohenjodaro:
http://www.dawn.com/2001/06/19/nat21.htm
A university in Britain will be offering an MA in Archaeology for Screen
Media in an attempt to reduce the number of howlers in programs like Time Team:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003100565149417&rtmo=qKqpJte9&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/01/6/24/ndeg24.html
A group in California used a huge kite to raise a 30 foot obelisk ...
hmmmmmmmm:
http://www.austin360.com/shared/news/technology/ap_story.html/Science/AP.V2774.AP-Obelisk-Kite.html
http://www.nj.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0604_BC_ObeliskKite&&news&newsflash-national
NEW WORLD NEWS
The Kennewick Man saga has been renewed:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44633,00.html
http://www.msnbc.com/news/323998.asp
http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/06/21/p2s2.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,297296-412,00.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/science/06/19/kennewick.man.ap/index.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010619/ts/kennewick_man_1.html
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/kennewick_hearing010619.html
The Tennessean has a feature on local archaeologist Elizabeth Kellar:
http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/01/04/06043797.shtml?Element_ID=6043797
The New York Times has a very interesting feature on the artistic/stylistic
side of native american rock art:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/19/science/19ROCK.html
A 16th-century Spanish fortress (maybe) has been discovered near Asheville:
http://www.charlotte.com/observer/local/catawba/docs/dig0622.htm
REVIEWS
Archaeologists will certainly want to read the review of Edward Fox,
*Palestine Twilight: The Murder of Dr Edward Glock and the Archeology of
the Holy Land:
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/06/24/stibooboo01014.html
National Review has a review of Page Dubois *Trojan Horses: Saving Classics
from the Conservatives*:
http://www.nationalreview.com/weekend/books/books-kopf062301.shtml
EXHIBITIONS
Absolute Arts has a review of Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery's "Egypt
Revealed: Life and Death in Ancient Egypt" (there's nothing at the BMAG
site itself on this yet other than an announcement that the exhibition is
coming):
http://www.absolutearts.com/artsnews/2001/06/23/28746.html
ON THE NEWSSTANDS
There's a new online edition of Biblical Archaeology Review out, with
articles on the evidence for early Christianity at Yattir and King
Hezekiah's seal:
http://www.bib-arch.org/bar2.html
Egypt Revealed has a feature on the pharaohnic village:
http://www.egyptrevealed.com/062001-pharaonicvillage.htm
I'm not sure whether this is really a 'newsstand' piece, but an online
journal called Transoxiana was recently brought to my attention and it has
several articles (by graduate students at the University del Salvador) on
the ancient near eastern/egyptian world (in Spanish). Worth a look:
http://www.salvador.edu.ar/transox/index.html
CLASSICIST'S CORNER
Latin continues to make a comeback:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0614_wirelatin.html
... and folks might want to look at a similar sort of article from a German
newspaper (in German, of course):
http://www.ngz-online.de/ngz/news/korschenbroich/2001-0623/latein.html
... and one from the beeb:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/education/newsid_1396000/1396858.stm
There's an interesting analogy (sort of) between the Colosseum and the
Temple of Janus:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010619/wl/italy_death_penalty_1.html
Someone's gone and reconstructed an ancient Greek organ and it will
actually be played:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001210658,00.html
The idea of an Olympic Truce is still kicking around:
http://www.ekathimerini.com/news/content.asp?id=86740
Folks might be interested in a review of *Hercules in Love*:
http://jumpfn.123jump.com/story.htm?news_id=6449021&sid=3
I think I missed the original of this in Athens News, but John Carr has
written a not-so-complimentary piece on the London Hellenic Society:
http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=12912&m=A11&aa=2&eidos=A
... and a recent letter to the editor is interesting as well:
http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=12914&m=A08&aa=3&eidos=S
AT ABOUT.COM:
Ancient History Guide N.S. Gill's latest is on the Battle of Adrianople:
http://ancienthistory.about.com/homework/ancienthistory/library/weekly/aa061901a.htm
Archaeology Guide Kris Hirst has some advice for the folks who don't want
to do archaeology any more:
http://archaeology.about.com/science/archaeology/library/weekly/aa062001a.htm
Latin Guide Janet Burns brings us a timeline of Roman emperors:
http://latin.about.com/homework/latin/library/bltimelineemper.htm
FOLLOWUPS
Bamboula:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/06/010605074203.htm
Colosseum Restoration:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/06/19/italy.colosseum.ap/index.html
Elgin Marbles:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_1402000/1402072.stm
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=79471
Herakleion:
http://www.exn.ca/Templates/webisode.asp?story_id=2001062251 (a
discovery.ca "webisode")
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o180621n.htm (an amazingly unedited
piece)
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o160621x.htm (nothing really new
except the date)
Macchu Picchu:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1403000/1403740.stm
Marathon Rowing row:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010621/sc/olympics_grave_dc_1.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/newsid_1400000/1400587.stm
Mesa Verde (not Monte Verde):
http://www.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20010618mesaverdehealth3p3.asp
Nefertiti mummy:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20010618/nefertiti.html
Roman Fleet near Sardinia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1385000/1385326.stm
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Mon, Jun 25, 2001 (23:32)
#663
Liam I want to see this!!!
TV howlers spark producers' history degree
A NEW university degree that will teach graduates how to make episodes of
Time Team and other archaeological programmes is to begin later this year, in
an attempt to make television history programmes more accurate.
Academics at Bristol University, who will run the MA course in Archaeology
for Screen Media with producers from the Channel 4 series, said that the new
qualification was needed because many historical programmes contained
significant errors.
Among the worst offenders cited are the recent BBC series What the Romans
Did for Us, and Surviving the Iron Age, also from the BBC, which is
described by those teaching the new degree as little better than a game show.
Even David Starkey's acclaimed Henry VIII is accused of containing
inaccuracies, which the academics believe would have been spotted if a
trained archaeologist had been monitoring the series. One example, they said,
is cameras switching from Dr Starkey talking about the Tudor king to give a
view of part of a castle built in the wrong century.
Dr Mark Horton, a reader in archaeology at Bristol University, who is
organising the new degree, said that one of the reasons for the errors was that
dons were often poor at presenting their subject on television. The result is
that many programmes were made with little expert advice.
more... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=004826292612046&rtmo=a5a4WXWJ&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/01/6/24/ndeg24.html
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 27, 2001 (20:12)
#664
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 27, 2001 (20:16)
#665
Corlea Trackway - Ireland
In 1984, at Corlea near Keenagh, Co. Longford, removal of peat by Bord na
M�na's production machinery revealed a great timber roadway which had lain
buried in the bog for centuries. Tree ring analysis carried out at Queen's
University, Belfast revealed the trees used were felled late in 148 B.C. or
early in 147 B.C and identified the roadway as the only known example in
Ireland of an Early Iron Age road.
In 1985 the roadway at Corlea was excavated under the auspices of the
National Monuments Branch of the Office of Public Works.
The road, which was made of massive oak planks, extended for over one
kilometre across the bogland, connecting an isolated drumlin island of mineral soil with the mainland. A similar trackway had extended westwards from the
drumlin island across the bog at Derraghan for one kilometre. Dating of this roadway showed it to be of the same age as the Corlea road and established
the existence, over two thousand years ago, of a substantial road system capable
of carrying wheeled traffic.
The Corlea road was constructed of heavy planks split from oak trunks using
timber wedges. These oak sleepers were between 3m and 4m long and up to
60cm wide, and were laid across parallel pairs of timber runners on average
about 1.4m apart. The runners were logs of birch or ash, up to 10m in length
and laid end to end directly onto the Iron Age bog surface. Where the
roadway ran across wet areas of bog, several runners were used. At one
point eight runners were used to bridge what was probably a difficult area. In
other sections brushwood was laid as a supporting raft for the heavier
timbers. Mortices were generally cut into the ends of the oak planks through
which long pegs of birch or hazel were fixed to secure the road surface
Thousands of timber sleepers were used in constructing the Corlea roadway
which reveals a high level of woodworking knowledge and skill in Early Iron
Age Ireland.
The Corlea road was a major undertaking capable of carrying wheeled
vehicles. It has been speculated that it may have been part of an ancient
highway linking the pagan ceremonial sites of Cruachain in Connaught and the
Hill of Uisneach in Leinster, but its precise function is as yet unclear.
In the course of archaeological investigations several smaller bog trackways
(or toghers) were discovered in the area of Corlea. The oldest trackway was
dated to the middle of the fourth millenium B.C. This was made of tightly
packed layers of hazel, alder and birch placed lengthwise along the track and
supported occasionally by cross timbers to form a trackway about 1.6m
wide.
Another track, which has been dated to about 2259 B.C., crossed over the
earlier Neolithic path at one point. The depth of peat between the trackways,
about 80cm, illustrates how the bog was growing during that time. This
trackway was constructed of substantial timbers of oak and ash laid across
branches of birch which had been placed lengthwise along the path to create a
track between 2m and 2.5m wide.
A brushwood track dated to about 1200 B.C. was made of tight bundles of
long hazel rods laid along the path to form a trackway about 1.5m wide and
up to 25cm thick. A simple narrow trackway, dating from about 587 A.D.
was made of single oak planks, up to 30cm wide, laid end to end on short
transverse supports.
These trackways were probably built to allow the early inhabitants of the
region maintain contact between communities across the expanses of
inhospitable and treacherous wetlands.
more and pictures too... http://www.bnm.ie/discovering_peatlands/corlea.htm
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 29, 2001 (18:53)
#666
Dating study 'means human history rethink'
Archaeological findings may have to be dated again
A complete rewrite of the history of modern
humans could be needed after a breakthrough
in archaeological dating techniques.
British and American scientists have found
radio carbon dating, used to give a rough guide
to the age of an object, can be wrong by
thousands of years.
It means humans may have been on earth for
a lot longer than previously thought and
accepted versions of early history could need
a radical rethink.
Experts have known for years that carbon
dating is inexact but until researchers from
Bristol and Harvard completed their study no
one knew by how much.
more... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1413000/1413326.stm
Mahalo Nui Loa, Liam!
~MarciaH
Fri, Jun 29, 2001 (18:56)
#667
Skara Brae usurped as oldest site
Archaeologists believe they have found the
site of what could be Scotland's oldest farm.
The farm is thought to be 6000 years old - up
to 1500 years older than the "World Heritage"
archaeological site at Skara Brae in Orkney.
The archaeologists from Stirling University
have spent nearly two years working at the
site, near Blairgowrie in Perthshire.
The exact location is being kept secret, but it
is close to a burial mound known as Cleave
Dyke, which dates from a similar period.
The team has found evidence of flint tools
having been made and a large, roughly circular
enclosure, which they believe may have been
home to an extended family of about 30
people.
more... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_925000/925037.stm
~horrible
Sat, Jun 30, 2001 (16:42)
#668
I have just read that Carbon Dating can be as much as 10000 years out,so some of my rants going back some time ,are now being proven to be correct.Never ever equate a Micky Mouse Professorship with reality and accuracy!!
~MarciaH
Sat, Jun 30, 2001 (17:33)
#669
Hey, I was married to academe for years. You do not need to tell me!!! Thanks Liam. I am always delighted to hear from you!
~sociolingo
Wed, Jul 4, 2001 (14:11)
#670
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_344317.html?menu=
Story filed: 16:26 Wednesday 4th July 2001
Bronze age village saved from the diggers
Archaeologists have unearthed the remains of a British Bronze Age village
dating back 3,500 years. Diggers were about to plough up the ancient farmsteads to build a new gravel quarry. Archaeologists were called in to excavate the site in Shorncote near Cirencester, Gloucestershire. They discovered remains representing a settlement of about 18 homes as well as fragments of animal bones, cereal, fruit and nuts. Many of the remains were perfectly preserved because they lay under water for thousands of years. Historians are piecing together the finds to paint a portrait of the lifestyle of Bronze Age people.
Senior archaeologist Gill Hey, from the Oxford-based historical unit leading
the discovery, said: "This is very significant because we have never found a
settlement or remains of buildings of that period in this area before. "The earliest remains we had before now were 500 years more recent. The farmstead we found dates back 3,500 years to 1,500 BC. Buildings of this period are very unusual nationally." The latest finds from the Hills Aggregates Quarry will be carefully restored before going on display in Cirencester's Corinium Museum.
Staff from the Oxford Archaeological Unit plan to unearth a neighbouring Roman farmstead and hope to open the whole site to visitors next year.
~MarciaH
Thu, Jul 5, 2001 (15:44)
#671
Too bad the Reading Univsersity archaeologists did not get to it first. Thanks, Maggie. It is ages before I can find most of the British archaeology finds in news without spending my day prowling UK sources. They are simple not carried here, alas. Nothing like living on your own rubbish tip to make for good archaeology far in the future. We must have been a frangrant lot!
~MarciaH
Fri, Jul 6, 2001 (18:51)
#672
From Our Man In China (he gets around!) Liam:
MongoliaA three-story pyramid dating 5000 years back has been discovered in north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region.
The pyramid, which looks like a trapezoidal hill from afar, is located on a hill one kilometer north of Sijiazi Town, Aohan County. The pyramid is about 30 meters long and 15 meters wide at its base.
This is considered the best-preserved pyramid built during the Hongshan Culture period that has been found so far, said Guo Dasun, an archaeologist in charge of the excavation.
Seven tombs and one altar were also found on the top of the pyramid. Archaeologists also discovered a number of pottery pieces with the asterisk character inscribed on the inner wall. The asterisk character is believed to be related to the understanding of ancient people on astrology.
Among the culture relics excavated from one of the seven tombs are a bone flute and a stone ring and a full- sized stone statue of Goddess unearthed from another tomb.
What astonished the archeologists is a one palm-sized stone genital found on the inner wall of a tomb with a small stone statue of Goddess below.
Guo Dasun said that most of these relics are found for the first time and will shed light on studying the origin of Chinese civilization.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/data/province/mongolia.html
~MarciaH
Mon, Jul 9, 2001 (14:56)
#673
EXPLORATOR
Watching the Web for News of the Ancient World
Volume 4, Issue 10
OLD WORLD NEWS
There is a ton of coverage of the new cave art find near Cussac, France:
http://news.24.com/News24/Technology/Science_Nature/0,1113,2-13-46_1048236,00.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=81813
http://www.archaeology.org/online/news/france.html
http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/s/thestory.pl?slug-07CAVE
http://www.msnbc.com/news/596544.asp
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001230838,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1423000/1423021.stm
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/reu/20010702/cave.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/article/0,5987,3244--205403-,00.html (in French)
http://news.excite.com/news/r/010705/09/news-france-cave-dc
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010705/sc/france_cave_dc_1.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010704/wl/france_cave_engravings_1.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010705/wl/france_cave_dc.html
http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news_photos?p=cussac&n=20&c=news_photos
(11 photos)
EXN (Discovery Channel Canada) has a (video) report on some petroglyphs
found in Yemen:
http://www.exn.ca/inc/demo1.asp?Video=20010508-ht-yemen.asx
A brief report suggests a "stone age" (surely wrong?) woman has been
discovered during road work in Denmark:
http://www.news24.co.za/News24/Technology/Science_Nature/0,1113,2-13-46_1047384,00.html
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_343883.html?menu=
A Hyksos era tomb was discovered this week, with the aid of an ancient
"road map" which will probably have many implications:
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o030721z.htm
A brief AP story reports on the discovery of the tomb of a New Kingdom priest:
http://europe.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/07/04/egypt.tomb.ap/index.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010704/wl/egypt_tomb_1.html
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o040721a.htm (I think this is the same)
The Egyptian State Information Service reports that the pyramid of Chephren
will be opened to the public (cf. Zahi Hawass' update below):
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o070721j.htm
http://news.24.com/News24/Africa/Northern_Africa/0,1113,2-11-38_1049065,00.html
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_343514.html?menu=
The same source briefly reports on the discovery of an Old Kingdom temple:
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o070721k.htm
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/010707/2001070720.html
... and the base of a pyramid (I think this is a followup) of Nub-Khabr-Ra:
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o020721I.htm
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o300621n.htm
An Assyrian temple has been discovered in Iraq:
http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/2001/07/07/FFXIP3T9UOC.html
This is probably really a followup, but AthensNews is reporting the
discovery of a mysterious mass grave near Kalamata:
http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=12917&m=A10&aa=3&eidos=S
A Roman-era site has been discovered in Ismailia (Egypt):
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o050721.htm
... and some Roman-era antiquities were found in Alexandria too:
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o020721e.htm
HumanOasis/Discover Archaeology reports on research which is pushing back
the date of the oldest steel in England:
http://www.humanoasis.com/Feature%20Stories/070401-Originsofsteel.html
http://www.discoveringarchaeology.com/web%20articles/070301-Origin%20of%20Steel%20in%20Englandweb.htm
Peoples Daily has an item on the discovery of a 5000-year-old pyramid in
Mongolia:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200107/06/eng20010706_74356.html
The Ilisu Dam Project is once again in the news:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,516405,00.html
A report in the Telegraph suggests major problems with the assumptions of
C14 dating:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003100565149417&rtmo=0Ks20beq&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/01/7/5/tesdate05.html
The Dallas Morning News has a feature on Lew Binford:
http://www.dallasnews.com/science/413179_binford_08liv..html
Science Daily has an item on looting of sites in Iraq:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/07/010706081613.htm
NEW WORLD NEWS
The Miami Circle is back in the news, with the discovery of associated
human remains:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/krmiami/20010704/lo/ancient_cemetery_found_at_brickell_park_1.html
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001231482,00.html
http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/dade/digdocs/106582.htm
http://news.excite.com/news/ap/010704/16/miami-ruins
A German "treasure hunter" is claiming to have found the wreck of Captain
Morgan's pirate ship:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001232149,00.html
ON THE NEWSSTANDS
There's a new issue of British Archaeology out, with online features on
cannibalism, 8th century York, and other things:
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba59/index.shtml
Zahi Hawass has finally found the time to update his Giza Update feature at
Egypt Revealed:
http://www.egyptrevealed.com/news_from_giza.htm
Egypt Revealed also has a new article on the threat to Egyptian monuments
from underground water:
http://www.egyptrevealed.com/070401-monumentsinperil.htm
... and a feature on the tomb of a pair of 12th Dynasty priests:
http://www.egyptrevealed.com/070701-egyptianpriests.htm
ON THE WEB
This one's pretty interesting if you have the patience to get it to load:
the Jerusalem Archaeological Park has a virtual archaeological dig sort of
thing which includes a nifty timeline of the Temple at various periods etc.:
http://www.archpark.org.il/index.asp
Folks over on the Amun list have been mentioning Discovery Channel
(Canada)'s 'webisodes' which feature interviews with various folks etc.; I
used to follow them but found they only existed for a week or so and
*never* covered matters archaeological, but now they appear to be more
permanent (or at least less ephemeral). Here's a couple webisodes which
should be of interest to Explorator readers (a bit of catching up):
On Cave Art and petroglyphs:
http://www.exn.ca/Templates/webisode.asp?story_id=2001062954
On ancient Alexandria:
http://www.exn.ca/Templates/webisode.asp?story_id=2001062251
CLASSICIST'S CORNER
Here's one I missed: a couple of weeks ago, the Sunday Times magazine had a
major feature on Archimedes:
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/06/17/stimazmaz03006.html
Fans of Jukka Ammondt's rendering of Elvis tunes in Latin might be
interested in his latest album, in Sumerian:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=14189
http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,35308,00.html
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010702/re/life_elvis_sumerian_dc_1.html
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2001/0703/wor2.htm
A confused reference appears to have led to a sort of anti-classics rant in
the Guardian (cf. Jasper Griffin's piece below):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4216223,00.html
Folks will likely want to listen to Tom Sienkewicz' comments on the revival
of Latin:
http://www.theconnection.org/archive/2001/07/0706b.shtml
Every three years they perform a Greek tragedy in the original language at
Cambridge ... but you knew that already:
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/07/08/stiednedn01002.html
The Salt Lake Tribune has a touristy piece on visiting Rome post-Jubilee:
http://www.sltrib.com/07082001/travel/travel.htm
If you haven't seen it yet, Jasper Griffin has written a piece on the
'death of literatre England' in the Spectator:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2001-07-07&id=867
Peter Jones' column in the Spectator is also worth a look (I'll be
regularly providing a link to this):
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2001-07-07&id=881
AT ABOUT.COM
Archaeology Guide Kris Hirst's latest is on Lascaux:
http://archaeology.about.com/library/weekly/aa070401a.htm
Ancient History Guide N.S. Gill's latest is on Steven Saylor's *House of
the Vestals*:
http://ancienthistory.about.com/homework/ancienthistory/library/weekly/aa071001a.htm
REVIEW
The Guardian has a review of Heather Pringle, *The Mummy
Congress* and Brenda Fowler *Iceman*:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4217209,00.html
NOT SURE HOW TO CLASSIFY
While Tomb Raider continues to be the current archaeological flick of
record (I'm still waiting to see it!), I'm sure most folks will be
happy/relieved to learn that there's going to be another Indiana Jones movie:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4216737,00.html
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,2286417%255E2902,00.html
... and Hollywood apparently wants to make a movie about Bruce Mann:
http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/shtml/NEWS/P16S2.shtml
OBITUARY
William D.E. Coulson:
http://www.athensnews.gr/athweb/nathens.print_unique?e=C&f=12917&m=A12&aa=2&eidos=S
FOLLOWUPS
Alexandria Under Water:
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o030721v.htm
Cleopatra:
http://www.uk.sis.gov.eg/online/html4/o030721a.htm
Hopi in Alberta:
http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=199193
http://www.exn.ca/inc/demo1.asp?Video=exn20010629-hopi.asx
Kites and Obelisks:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0628_caltechobelisk.html
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Tue, Jul 10, 2001 (14:28)
#674
ANCIENT DNA UNRAVELS HUMAN ORIGINS
http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2001/july/origins.htm
In this new online science magazine, an interesting article details the unravelling of our species' origins. Beyond the fossil trail lie the genetic imprints left by our ancestors - and they suggest that we began our journey towards a global human race in Southern Africa.
~MarciaH
Tue, Jul 10, 2001 (17:14)
#675
Thank you for the link to the new magazine. I think Liam might disagree with the article, however. It is an interesting field and will continue to be controversial for perhaps as long as man lives!
~horrible
Tue, Jul 10, 2001 (17:31)
#676
Rubbish,Out of Africa is nonsense as anyone READING the current research across the world will see.The whole african thing is based on fragments of bone and imagination
~sociolingo
Tue, Jul 10, 2001 (17:40)
#677
(Just KNEW it'd get a reaction!!! *grin*)
~sociolingo
Tue, Jul 10, 2001 (17:43)
#678
Marcia look in Melungeons in Cultures .. I found a DNA article for you there too ...dunno if its less contraversial ..we'll see ....
(Tony's auntie who we're very fond of is dying ...need to go to her ...may not be around much ..hugs)
~horrible
Tue, Jul 10, 2001 (17:51)
#679
Maggie,you are girl after my own cynical heart!! I love getting the fights going, Marcia has seen me stir it up in other clubs and its so much FUN
~MarciaH
Tue, Jul 10, 2001 (19:43)
#680
Maggie, my love to you! *HUGS* and my condolences. Yup, i knew you were up to something. Hugs to Liam, too. Very special ones for being so brilliantly to the point. I love his directness and other things about the man whose values are so right. Please continue to have fun!
~sociolingo
Sat, Jul 14, 2001 (08:41)
#681
(I'm back home .....wiped out after sitting with a dying aunt ...she died 3.20 am on Friday in her sleep. A little plain wooden cross and a hand to hold were all she wanted ....Still a bit weepy, but that's for me .. not her ..she's at peace now.)
From English Culture:
http://englishculture.about.com/library/weekly/aa071001a.htm
Lady in the Glass
Could archaeologists be looking at the image of an Anglo-Saxon queen?
Archaeologists believe that fragments of painted glass found in rubble at
Coventry's first cathedral, part of a great Benedictine abbey which was
destroyed in the dissolution of the monasteries, depict the image of Lady
Godiva (d. 1070).
Although the it dates from the 14th century - 300 years after the
Anglo-Saxon Christian princess rode naked through the marketplace to save
her people from unjust taxes - the glass was produced a century after the
first written version of the legend. Indeed, during the 1300s glass was a
great luxury, and stained or painted glass even more so, indicating that the
woman was definitely of high status.
The fragments were pieced together from thousands of shards of medieval
glass, and it is also possible that more of the image may still lie in boxes
that have not yet been examined. Although there is little evidence to prove
its authenticity, the piece does show the face of a beautiful woman with
long wavy hair, suggesting to some that it could be the earliest image of
the city's heroine
The tombs of Godiva and her husband, Leofric, were looted and destroyed many
centuries ago. Records indicate they were both buried in the small church
they founded on the hilltop in Coventry. Around this grew an impressive
cathedral, far bigger than the cathedral destroyed in the Blitz or its
modern replacement. The glass was found within the ruins of the nave,
meaning the men who destroyed the abbey probably smashed it in from outside.
It is thought to have come from a large window in the nave, near the site of
the lost tombs.
Legend says that when Lady Godiva informed her husband that the townspeople
were crippled by excessive taxes, he scornfully offered to relieve them if
she rode naked - or in some versions simply "unadorned", without any head
covering or jewellery - through the marketplace. Although her flowing locks
covered her naked body, much later versions of the story include an
unfortunate tailor who was struck blind for peeping at her through his
shutter. He was henceforth known as 'Peeping Tom'.
The face and any other fragments will be displayed in a new visitor's
centre, due to open in August 2001
~sociolingo
Sat, Jul 14, 2001 (09:44)
#682
More on the DNA issue (*duck*)
http://www.discoveringarchaeology.com/web%20articles/060601-mungoman.htm
Scientists challenge claims for 60,000 year old Australian DNA
Scientists based in Britain and Denmark have questioned claims made in January that DNA extracted from a 60,000 year old Australian fossil challenge the
"Out of Africa" theory. In a letter published in the journal Science on June 1st, they argue that the DNA may be contaminated, and even if it is not, it does
not fall outside the range of modern human DNA variation.
In January, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA published a paper by Gregory Adcock and colleagues, reporting that sequences of ancient
mitochondrial DNA had been recovered from 10 Australian fossil humans. While 9 of them fitted within known human variation, it was claimed that the oldest sequence, from the 60,000 year old Mungo 3 fossil, was distinct from those of recent humans, and cast doubt on the theory that modern humans had originated in Africa. Further commentaries and media coverage claimed that the results in fact supported the alternative multiregional model of human origins.
~horrible
Sat, Jul 14, 2001 (15:33)
#683
Dont be too sad Maggie
~MarciaH
Sat, Jul 14, 2001 (16:18)
#684
I Emailed my condolences to Maggie. She knows the aunt is in a much better place now. Thanks, dear, for your fascinating bit about the Lady Godiva bit. Hmmm...wondered what certain archaeologist in Britain were doing. I had thought just about every inch of the old Coventry Cathedral had been excavated after the carpet bombing it got from the Queen's cousins. Now I want to SEE it!
Liam you are a treasure! Nothing whatsoever horrible about you when the chips are down or a little furry fellow is endangered or misses his momma in the night. *HUGS*
~sociolingo
Sat, Jul 14, 2001 (17:44)
#685
Thanks . am not too sad .. just wiped out from sitting up a couple of nights ....and trying to get my brain back into gear to write again ....Will be back in cultures conference again shortly ....check out the new postings there ..I'm sure you'll find something to disagree with!!! How about an Irish topic in there???
~MarciaH
Sat, Jul 14, 2001 (18:09)
#686
I was trying to find more Melungeon stuff. There seems to be some controversy of which I will refrain from mentioning!
I'll wrestle you for Liam. he is my main source of things archaeological and ecological about Ireland. Poetry has Limericks...
I shall add him to my Babes list even though I think he does not know where it is on Spring. This is one great guy and I will give him up very reluctantly!
~sociolingo
Sat, Jul 14, 2001 (18:27)
#687
giggle
~MarciaH
Sat, Jul 14, 2001 (20:01)
#688
mmmhmmm!
~horrible
Sun, Jul 15, 2001 (08:36)
#689
????????????????????/
~horrible
Sun, Jul 15, 2001 (16:39)
#690
Hey there Maggie,talking of culture and Coventry Cath. I was there for the premiere of Brittans "War Requiem" in the early70's absolutely wonderful.Lived in The Royal Spa for many years and worked in Coventry.Come to think of it friend of mine sang in that concert and her name was Maggie too.
~sociolingo
Mon, Jul 16, 2001 (06:24)
#691
Have sung in other Britten performances .... in 1970s but not that one!!! *grin*
Did you see Brit Arch posting on seahenge???? A stargate???? That should get us going .....
~sociolingo
Mon, Jul 16, 2001 (09:06)
#692
I missed this story because I was in Mali ...did anyone else see anything about it??? Look up the link to see pix.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1111000/1111952.stm
No sequel to Seahenge
11 Jan 2001
Winter storms have exposed the new ring to the world. Archaeologists are examining a mysterious circle of wood which has emerged from under the shifting sands on the coast of Norfolk in the UK. The structure was discovered just 100 metres from the site where the famous Bronze Age monument known as Seahenge was uncovered more than two years ago. Researchers are aware of several features on the beach at Holme-next-the-Sea which may hail from the same period of history as the henge but none, they believe, is as significant as the now excavated oak ring. As well as the new circle, there is a single, unexplained stump sited close to a 19th Century shipwreck. The new circle was probably the rotting timber supports of a simple burial mound or barrow, said Norfolk county archaeologist Brian Ayers. He said it might be Bronze Age but although "exciting" was not exceptional. "There are 40,000 such mounds in the country," he said. "The unusual thing here is that normally one would get a Bronze Age barrow consisting of
great heap of earth and, occasionally, within it a circle of post holes where posts have been rotted away. Here, if it is a barrow, we've lost the earth but we've retained the posts." The BBC's Mike Liggins reports on the emergence of a new wooden circle. Brian Ayers urged people not to flock to the beach in the way they had to see Seahenge because of the detrimental impact such an invasion might have on local wildlife. The recently uncovered timbers can only be seen at low tide, the time when wading birds come on to the beach to feed. His request was echoed by Gary Hibberd from the Norfolk Wildlife Trust. "If you care about the beaches in Norfolk and the wildlife that live on them, please stay away for the time being," he said. The new circle is slightly bigger than Seahenge and instead of a central upturned stump has two flattened logs. The central logs were first spotted last August by archaeologist John Lorimer. The surrounding ring appeared as winter storms shifted the sands. "As soon as I saw the ce
tral posts - how they are - I knew we had another circle," he said. "It's nearly the same [as Seahenge], only bigger." The new circle features two central posts. The Seahenge timbers were removed, against some local people's wishes, and taken to the nearby Bronze Age research centre at Flag Fen. The structure, which was probably used for death rituals, was extensively studied under carefully controlled preservation conditions. Scientists, who combined a number of techniques including complex mathematics, were able to show that the wood for the henge came from trees felled in 2049 and 2050 BC. Now, with the investigations complete, Seahenge is likely to reburied. However, the same process of excavation and study will not be applied to the new circle. It will be left in place. "We do need to put this into context," said Brian Ayers. "When you have an exceptional feature like the original timber circle, you have to take exceptional measures. But the norm is to study things and monitor them." The original Seahe
ge is likely to go back under ground.
~MarciaH
Mon, Jul 16, 2001 (16:02)
#693
I have posted a whole bunch on Seahenge - some of which came from a guy Liam is not all that crazy about - but he WAS thre and my only live source at the time.
From Liam who is he was closer ..... well lucky he isn't! Thanks, Luv!
Burial chamber reveals haunting sound of past
John Burns
NEWGRANGE, Ireland's world-renowned neolithic burial chamber, may have been used as a prehistoric "echo chamber" in religious ceremonies, according to two scientists who have discovered that the 5,000-year-old grave has the ability to alter sound.
While the burial chamber was not designed for that purpose by our neolithic ancestors, they would have inevitably discovered the amazing acoustic effects in Newgrange and exploited them in religious ceremonies, the scientists say.
Aaron Watson, an archeologist, and David Keating, an acoustic expert, carried out up to 10 hours of sound tests at Newgrange last month in conjunction with the BBC. The tests, including humming, bursting balloons, banging drums and playing "standing waves" to the stones, will be broadcast on a Radio 4 documentary next week.
The University of Reading scientists have conducted similar tests at Stonehenge and other neolithic sites.
"We had a loudspeaker making a humming tone and as you moved towards the sound, it got quieter. It was very unusual," said Keating. "However, if you moved away towards the side chambers, the sound got louder. Even with modern knowledge of acoustics, it is quite an eerie and odd effect."
Keating believes neolithic priests or druids may have exploited this phenomenon in ceremonies. "If they were humming in the main chamber, and there was no visible evidence they were making that sound, someone could believe that the noise was coming from the side chambers where the bodies of the dead were buried," he said.
"It is inevitable that priests or druids would have found this effect and exploited it, or it is possible they believed that when they made this noise they were bringing the dead to life."
Keating believes the acoustic tricks may help explain how Newgrange was constructed by such a primitive society. It was built 500 years before the great pyramid of Giza and a millennium before Stonehenge. It was aligned with the winter solstice; only at dawn on December 21 each year does the sun's light pass through a 25cm opening above the entrance.
Watson and Keating found a strange effect from beating drums in the chamber. Inside, the noise is very loud but outside, a listener only hears a distant drum.
Stone Age Sound, the BBC documentary, will be broadcast on July 24 at 11am.
~sociolingo
Tue, Jul 17, 2001 (14:26)
#694
I know you posted on Seahenge ..so did I at the time! But what I posted about in 692 was a second monument discovered later 100 meters from Seahenge ..
Also on the Brit Arch list someone asked if anyone had noticed a similarity between Seahenge and a 'stargate' ... I assume in jest ..but wondered if anyone had thoughts on it!
~sociolingo
Tue, Jul 17, 2001 (14:27)
#695
This is from my anthro listserve:
For those who may not know, the CNN program - Science & Technology Week -
occasionally has segments on matters of interest to archaeologists and
anthropologists (and buffs). They recently had an item, with video footage,
on the Upper Paleolithic engravings in the newly discovered cave in France.
And I would expect to see something about the Temple of Ishtar discovery in
Iraq, and about the Ardipithecus ramidus kaddaba discovery in Ethiopia, in
the very near future.
In the U.S. Eastern time zone the program airs at 13:30 on Saturday (your
airtime may be different). If you set your VCR to record it you can scan
through it later to see if it had any articles of personal interest to you
each week.
~sociolingo
Tue, Jul 17, 2001 (15:15)
#696
More controversy!!!
The cover story for the July 23, 2001 issue of Time Magazine is about the
new Ardipithecus ramidus kadabba discovery, and Time Magazine has put this
story on the web!
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101010723/cover.html
~horrible
Tue, Jul 17, 2001 (16:38)
#697
another 2 scraps of bone, another rash of theory!we have more in common with piggies and some viruses than we have with these "bones".Would the $1.7 million in grants have anything to dowith this research?
~MarciaH
Tue, Jul 17, 2001 (18:23)
#698
If the first I hear about it is on CNN it is highly suspect in my mind. Liam, that grant has everything to do with it, and you realize this irony. It must be a slow news day, as we say.
Maggie, I had heard of the caves in France. I post a long list of new things covering all of Geo in 40 once a week. Most of these subjects have been covered in the links it contains. What I need to do is to reinstate my subscriptions that lapsed when I contemplated leaving Hilo. How incredibly foolish I was and you all my hurl invectives at the offender, though I suspect he will get his double - payback is you-know-what.
~MarciaH
Tue, Jul 17, 2001 (18:47)
#699
(For anyone who cares, it was not in this life - but it is well to remember. I am a bit older and a whole lot wiser now!)
~sociolingo
Tue, Jul 17, 2001 (18:53)
#700
OK ... no more from me ...that's why I used to email stuff ..off to my own corner