The first thing I do is have sturdy shoes under my headboard. In them are socks, and leather gloves. On a little hook beside the bed is my flash light (check batteries often), my scanner - police and fire and civil defense, and my little whisk broom. How will you do in a hurricane or tornado aftermath? What will you drink? Eat? Wear?

Hi Tornadoes are freaky little things that come with supercell thunderstorms. Supercell thunderstorms are highly organised and often spectacular aerial sculptures. They have distinctive features like a GUST FRONT - the wedge shaped cloud on the front of a well organised storm. Some have SHELF clouds which are essentially broad wedge shape clouds that have VERY STRONG outflow winds (sometimes strong enough to blow out windows). The more severe storms may have WALL CLOUDS. These can circular shaped lowerings of the storm cloud base and any tornado is almost always there. Sometimes a noticeable change in cloud colour can occur immediately behind a distinct line in the cloud (usually representing a cold front). To understand and prepare for tornadoes it is helpful to know what storms may produce them and what to look for in a storm. Rob

Tornadoes are something I have only once chased with my son - we saw only one little vortex or two whirling slowly from the great massive over-grown anvil cloud. Watrer spouts occasionally come ashore in Hawaii and take roofing tiles with them, but otherwise they are benign and rare. I am essentially only book and a college meteorology course taught about tornadoes. I'd love to understand more about them. Understanding the enemy is half the fight. Knowing what could happen is the best defense. Getting underground is best!

While you're stashing your survival food under the bed, consider a light bit of food to grab and run with. Power Bars and water will hold you for a while. Remember your stores are as badly hit or worse than your house is so you may be on your own for several days. Make sure you take enough for each person in your family! Let them take their own. A spare pack pack per person is a good idea.

I noted on the TV ads last evening that "canned" tuna now comes sealed in foil envelopes. This is great for "flight" food. Protein that packs in small space. Nuts down that way are also nutrituous and store for a very long time before they "go off" depite their pull dates. Dried fruits sold in reclosable Ziplock bags are also good. Look around and share what you have discovered. It is amazing what your kids and you will eat when you get hungry enough and there is nothing else to be had. Oh, and before we forget this most necessary item, get a big dispenser or two of gellied alcohol meant for hand sanitizing. You don't need disgestive upsets due to dirty hands! Put one with your flee items and one ineach of your stashes around the house. It can be used on scraps and cuts, as well! I always carry some in a little container... and a few bandages.

I have posted the following comments from Geo 26 because they will be lost in future posts, and this particular discussion needs to be considered. I am grateful to John for bringing up the subject. We tend to pretend it will not happen, then are victims of our own negligance. John Tsatsaragos (tsatsvol) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (06:46) * Hello all I wonder how would react each one from you if it was informed from reliable source that it is becomes a big earthquake in the area where you live. Let us to say 6.5R or greater. This is hypothetical question. How do you feel? Are you ready for an information like this? What must you do just after and later? John Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (13:42) * John, you ask a very good question. I had hoped to get a discussion on Geo 47 about just these questions. What would I do? I would shut off all power - especially the gas lines. I have, in the past, put treasured items standing on tables on the carpet underneath the tables. Water and flashlights and large safe candles (with matches)plus small radio with a lot of extra batteries should be ready in a box ready. I already have a cache of emergency food ready to go, along with my valuable papers and jewelry. Where would I go? Good question. It depends on where the earthquake will hit. I am safer in my home than just about anywhere I could go. I would secure a place in the boxed rafter place and close the doors surrounding me. I have ridden out a 6.7 and a 7.2 earthquake there. Nothing has shifted. Would I want to know? Yes! I have friends who are living in much more dangerous places than I. I would invite them to be with me safely in my home. Should evryone be told? NO!!! In fact, I would not even tell my fiends why I have the guest bathroom barricaded. They would find out soon enough. I keep my pulbic service scanners charged at all times. I might even be called for disaster relief work. Right after the quake I would have my hiking boots on and with a flashlight, inspect the house to see if it is safe and will not fall in on me. Aftershocks are expected, so I would try to stay in the safe place until time has passed. I do not have gas lines. I would check them if I did before lighting matches and candles. I would check water lines, also. If I went outside, I would not walk next to buildings which might collapse on me or have pieces of decorative work breaking off and falling down. In fact, I would hope I would be self-sufficient for several days and not need to add to the congestion in the streets. I would check to see if my neighbors are also ok even though they are not nice people. I'm sure there is much more to consider. Always have sturdy shoes by your bed in any case for middle-of-the-night earthquakes. Marcia (MarciaH) * Wed, Dec 12, 2001 (13:44) * In the short term, a large open field is the best place to be during an earthquake. What would you do?

Don't forget to store pet food. They are also memebers of your family.

Indeed! Our schools require disaster kits (more like earthquake kits) to be kept in a ziploc bag (gallon)--things like clothes, a snack, etc. I am absolutely not prepared in my house. Don't have the secondest clue what to do (the first being, climb under something and don't go outside for a while after the shaking stops).

Wolfie! Please tell us what is in those zip-lock bags you children make, please! I also hope you have a pair of shoes with sturdy soles on them under your head board of your bed. in each pair should be a working flashlight (torch for those across the pond and in the other parts of the Empire) AND socks! Keep the candles away from everyone until the gas mains are checked for leaks! In the front of our telephone book, there is a list of things to have on hand and a check list for after the earth stops quaking. I'll be posting this as time permits. Be safe! Suggestions for when the house settles again: * Keep family together. If you find your house is unstable, leave a note as to where you have gone for those seeking to rescue you. * Take your survival kit * Turn off all utilities at the main circuit breakers and valves. * Take important papers and identification and insurance with you. Cash too! * Check neighbors (that was always my first priority) * Lock doors and windows * Plan for pets. They are not allowed in shelters. My ex took his chances and left his cats home thinking it more traumatic to move them than to leave them alone. * Board up windows if possible * Wedge sliding doors AT THE TOP * I am adding a small transistor radio to this list from our phone book. Next will be upon returning home or coming out of hiding when the quake subsides

Upon returning home or coming out of your safe place after an earthquake: * Wait for the official "All Clear" (We have sirens in Hawaii - for those who do not, turn that transistor radio on!) * Treat downed power lines as "Hot" and stay away from them and metal fences. Be especially careful when cleaning up fallen trees and limbs. They may have live power wires in them. * Enter your home and other rooms carefully. Open windows and doors for fresh air and to dry damage from broken pipes. * Don't sightsee. You might be mistaken for a looter. Leave the roads clear for emergency vehicles. * Do not use open flame until you are sure there are no broken gas lines. (There are none in my neighborhood.) * Report broken water, gas or sewer lines to your utility companies as soon as possible. * Photograph damage to your home inside and out. Make temporary repairs to minimize further damage. * If you have loast power, don't connect an emergency generator to house wiring! * Keep your radio on for further information. *

WATER !!! If you don ot have sufficient bottled water, you MUST purify the tap water until officials notify you of its safety. Bring it to a rolling boil for a FULL FIVE MINUTES. Or, use cholorine or water purification tablets.

good tips! (i've gotta look up the stuff for the school kits)

I'l also be posting from FEMA and other disaster-preparedness sites. Thanks for bringing the subject up, again. I'm sure my local phone book is not the ultimate source for information! Rob mentioned elsewhere that it was important to have more than one cache of food and water. If you only have one, almost certainly your house will collapse on it and make it unusable!

Wolfie and others, I have just watched TSUNAMI ! on The Learning Channel on TV. I am concerned about Southern California and particularly the Los Angeles Basic's vulnerability to locally generated Tsunami. Wolfie, how far from the sea do you live? Rob? I am assuming that John lives a bit above sea level in Greece. Please let us discuss Tsunami preparedness. We live with the fact of one happening. We just don't know when. But we are ever vigilant.

the sea is a hop skip and a jump from my front door (1/4 mile at most)

If there are buildings between you and the water this is good! and sufficient to protect you from any surges. I suppose it is too much to ask if you are on higher land than sea level?! I rememeber it being pretty much flat where you are.

yes, i am above sea level and have to run down a hill (if the fence wasn't there) to get to the water.

You will be safe, then. I am much relieved to hear that. After the waves have cleared out the houses in front of you, I'd consider moving before another tsumani event occurs. I also suspect you will be long gone from the area by then. That program asked the beach inhabitants what they thought a tsunami was. They got, for answers: a kind of sushi, a Japanese restaurant, a new foreign movie, and everything but what it really was. Try it on your office mates. They also did not know what they would do if one happened once they knew what it was. That is NOT good!

actually, i'm facing an inlet (part of the port of L.A.) towards the east, probably no tsumani event would occur there. as far as the west coast goes, there's lots of stuff between me and the wide open ocean. thanks for the concern *HUGS*

As Mother of Geo, I worry about everyone in here! Especially Wolfie sorts. *Hugs*

March 19 � An asteroid as wide as a Boeing 747 narrowly missed Earth this month � and we never knew it was coming. The case of asteroid 2002 EM7 has drawn attention to the gaps in the planet�s infant system for monitoring potential threats from space. More at http://www.msnbc.com/news/177595.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1

Fantastic, Terry! Thanks for posting. Shall we go the way of the dinosaurs?

Only if one of those 'stroids sneaks by, and this one sure did.

They might be designated as Catasteroids?! Disasteroids?!

*laugh*

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Scientists want to be ready to block asteroid from hitting Earth http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/02/24/defending.earth.ap/ The asteroid believed to have wiped out dinosaurs 65 million years ago was rare but hardly unique, say scientists gathered to discuss ways of aggressively defending our planet from another such space rock, including by detonating nukes in space. Asteroids capable of inflicting damage on a global scale hit the Earth roughly every million years, and we shouldn't dawdle in developing a method of deflecting them, say the scientists attending a four-day planetary defense conference in suburban Orange County. Scientists have proposed a variety of strategies to nudge an asteroid off course. The list is the stuff of science fiction and includes using lasers, mirrors or atomic weapons launched from Earth. Unlike any other type of natural hazard, an asteroid impact could kill billions of people. But it's also the only natural hazard that can be prevented, at least in principle, scientists said. and Earth Nearly Put on Asteroid Alert http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3517319.stm Astronomers have revealed how they came within minutes of alerting the world to a potential asteroid strike last month. Some scientists believed on 13 January that a 30m object, later designated 2004 AS1, had a one-in-four chance of hitting the planet within 36 hours. It could have caused local devastation and the researchers contemplated a call to President Bush before new data finally showed there was no danger.

Good heavens! When I created this Distaster topic, I did not think of asteroids hitting us. I cannot think of a way to prepare for this. However, it is coming on tornado season so it is time to check the fresh water supply in the room where we hide from the storms.

http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/ is an impact calculator For example: Your Inputs: Distance from Impact: 805.00 km = 499.90 miles Projectile Diameter: 1609.34 m = 5278.64 ft = 1.00 miles Projectile Density: 3000 kg/m3 Impact Velocity: 72.00 km/s = 44.71 miles/s Impact Angle: 45 degrees Target Density: 1500 kg/m3 Target Type: Competent Rock or saturated soil Energy: 1.70 x 1022 Joules = 4.05 x 106 MegaTons TNT The average interval between impacts of this size somewhere on Earth is 1.3 x 107years Crater Size: What does this mean? Transient Crater Diameter: 34.31 km = 21.31 miles Final Crater Diameter: 54.65 km = 33.94 miles The crater formed is a complex crater. Thermal Radiation: What does this mean? Time for maximum radiation: 0.71 seconds after impact Visible fireball radius: 0.6 km = 0.4 miles The fireball appears 0.2 times larger than the sun Thermal Exposure: 1.88 x 103 Joules/m2 Duration of Irradiation: 67 seconds Radiant flux (relative to the sun): 0.0 Seismic Effects: What does this mean? The major seismic shaking will arrive at approximately 161.0 seconds. Richter Scale Magnitude: 9.0 (This is greater than any shaking in recorded history) Mercalli Scale Intensity at a distance of 805 km: III. Felt indoors. Hanging objects swing. Vibration like passing of light trucks. Duration estimated. may not be recognized as an earthquake. IV. Hanging objects swing. Vibration like passing of heavy trucks; or sensation of a jolt like a heavy ball striking the walls. Standing motor cars rock. Windows, dishes, doors rattle. Glasses clink. Crockery clashes. In the upper range of IV wooden walls and frame creak. Ejecta: What does this mean? The ejecta will arrive approximately 436.0 seconds after the impact. Average Ejecta Thickness: 2.8 cm = 1.09 inches Mean Fragment Diameter: 1.4 mm = 0.0568 inches Air Blast: What does this mean? The air blast will arrive at approximately 2683.3 seconds. Peak Overpressure: 32683.6 Pa = 0.3268 bars = 4.6411 psi Max wind velocity: 61.9 m/s = 138.5 mph Sound Intensity: 90 dB (May cause ear pain) Damage Description: Interior partitions of wood frame buildings will be blown down. Roof will be severely damaged. Glass windows will shatter. About 30 percent of trees blown down; remainder have some branches and leaves blown off. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Earth Impact Effects Program Copyright 2004, Robert Marcus, H.J. Melosh, and G.S. Collins These results come with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

They are wrong about the effects of a 9.0 Richeter quake. Stuff falls and walls crumble and hardly anything is left standing including the people. 161 seconds of shaking is an eternity. Hold your breath for that long and imagine the substrate on which you stand is thrashing around violently. That time is an eternity. You feel it long after the shaking as subsided.

Vibration (take it from one who has felt quite strong quakes) is like HEAVY trucks. Your whole world shakes! There is nothing light or gentle about it.

It appears no one seems to know how to pretare for the horrors we have undergone recently. I think not building on a flood plain or below sea level might be a good start. Only build on an earthquake zone if you are prepared to take the risk . I am so glad to be away from most of the natural foes of my recent past. Suddenly I am much the meeker from being glued to the television news. Don has offered to do field work on endangered historic homes and other architecture. We'll see. Hurricane season is not over yet !! Hugs everyone. I have missed you terribly!!!

You said it, the fat lady hasn't sung.

yup, we're only mid-season as far as hurricanes go. no one really knows how to prepare for something like this until it happens.....and the thing is, these realworld events are what we need to be using to prepare.....

Is there another one forming as we speak? Has anyone checked?

not yet....

Yeah, I checked too. All's clear as of a few hours ago.

there was some stuff going on at the mouth of the gulf but the weatherman didn't seem too concerned.

Yes, Stan is out there apparently still a depression not worthy of name but they are watching it. From what I heard a few nights ago on PBS news, these strong hurricanes come in cycles about 20 to 40 years apart. We had quiet 1990s so we built a lot on beaches and in flood-prone places. Now that the cycle has come back to stronger storms, we are seeing how foolish we can be. We have such short memories !!! I lost almost everything in Hilo. Now I have plenty of company and I don't feel nearly as bad. Still, it is like having part of your life torn from you.

I hate to post things like this but it came from a VERY reliable contact. Why Donating to Emergencies is Futile. If you bother---here�s what happens. Red Cross/Crescent, you name it. 90% of physical donations to 9/11 and the tsunami victims were either bulldozed over/thrown away (NY) or never reached their intended destination/ripped off by intercepting agents/government officials (tsunami victim countries) And now: Tons of British aid donated to help Hurricane Katrina victims to be BURNED by Americans From Ryan Parry, US Correspondent in New York HUNDREDS of tons of British food aid shipped to America for starving Hurricane Katrina survivors is to be burned. US red tape is stopping it from reaching hungry evacuees. Instead tons of the badly needed NATO ration packs, the same as those eaten by British troops in Iraq, has been condemned as unfit for human consumption. Advertisement And unless the bureaucratic mess is cleared up soon it could be sent for incineration. One British aid worker last night called the move "sickening senselessness" and said furious colleagues were "spitting blood". The food, which cost British taxpayers millions, is sitting idle in a huge warehouse after the Food and Drug Agency recalled it when it had already left to be distributed. Scores of lorries headed back to a warehouse in Little Rock, Arkansas, to dump it at an FDA incineration plant. The Ministry of Defence in London said last night that 400,000 operational ration packs had been shipped to the US. But officials blamed the US Department of Agriculture, which impounded the shipment under regulations relating to the import and export of meat. The aid worker, who would not be named, said: "This is the most appalling act of sickening senselessness while people starve. "The FDA has recalled aid from Britain because it has been condemned as unfit for human consumption, despite the fact that these are Nato approved rations of exactly the same type fed to British soldiers in Iraq. "Under Nato, American soldiers are also entitled to eat such rations, yet the starving of the American South will see them go up in smoke because of FDA red tape madness." The worker added: "There will be a cloud of smoke above Little Rock soon - of burned food, of anger and of shame that the world's richest nation couldn't organise a p**s up in a brewery and lets Americans starve while they arrogantly observe petty regulations. "Everyone is revolted by the chaotic shambles the US is making of this crisis. Guys from Unicef are walking around spitting blood. "This is utter madness. People have worked their socks off to get food into the region. "It is perfectly good Nato approved food of the type British servicemen have. Yet the FDA are saying that because there is a meat content and it has come from Britain it must be destroyed. "If they are trying to argue there is a BSE reason then that is ludicrously out of date. There is more BSE in the States than there ever was in Britain and UK meat has been safe for years." The Ministry of Defence said: "We understand there was a glitch and these packs have been impounded by the US Department of Agriculture under regulations relating to the import and export of meat. "The situation is changing all the time and at our last meeting on Friday we were told progress was being made in relation to the release of these packs. The Americans certainly haven't indicated to us that there are any more problems and they haven't asked us to take them back." Food from Spain and Italy is also being held because it fails to meet US standards and has been judged unfit for human consumption. And Israeli relief agencies are furious that thousands of gallons of pear juice are to be destroyed because it has been judged unfit. The FDA said: "We did inspect some MREs (meals ready to eat) on September 13. They are the only MREs we looked at. There were 70 huge pallets of vegetarian MREs. "They were from a foreign nation. We inspected them and then released them for distribution."

Hi all The disasters that scare me the most are the ones with no prior warning. A tornado can be scary, but you would probably have some advanced warning of its approach - it would be part of a thunderstorm system so if its raining cats and dogs, or hailing heavily you might go and check that there are no tornado watches or warnings in force for your patch. If the storm is at night, perhaps leave the television on, so that if warnings go out, you know to seek shelter and if there are tornado sirens in your patch know what they sound like - it may save your life. On the other hand, an earthquake can come and go within seconds. There may be only one or two seconds warning if you get a foreshock or no warning at all if the main shock arrives immediately. Yet in a big earthquake those seconds would be of unparalleled fury, where in terms such as which could never be doubted again in your life nature shows you who the boss is. A volcano can go on rattling and banging away in relatively minor eruptions for months before - if assuming something big is even on the cards - it reaches a climax. A caldera eruption will be preceded by months of volcanic unrest, and probably decades of seismic unrest, geothermal changes, ground deformation and changes in gas discharge. But, what about tsunami's? Are these the scariest of them all? We already know what happens when a 40ft wave thunders ashore with the inertia of a goods train. Most tsunami's will have some sort of warning - if you are on the coast and there is a strong earthquake, you go inland and be prepared to be gone for several hours. If you are at home take your drivers license, a bottle of water and your wallet and run for it. Don't stick around to watch the waves because chances are very good it will be the last thing you ever see. Okay, but that is just an earthquake. What if you are on the coast and there is an undersea landslide - how are you going to even know it occurred. This is the situation facing the picturesque seaside town of Kaikoura on the east coast of the South Island where deep undersea canyons as much as 5,000 feet deep exist just offshore. Aside from being a habitat for whales, which can be seen from the coast, there are several large deposits of alluvial sediment piling up at the heads of these canyons, which are getting oversteepened to the point where evenutally they will just fall off. Some of them are 200 million cubic metres in size. When one falls into the host canyon, a tsunami could be ashore in less than a minute. In other words an entire tsunami sequence might happen in the 20 minutes I took to write this. NOW THATS SCARY. Rob

I agree if you are near the coast be aware at all times of the inundation zone for tsunamis. I have ridden out 6.7 and 7.2 earthquakes and there is no safe place to run. They get my vote as the scariest disaster. I can recall staring at the ground in the inky night trying to see if the ground was about to swallow me. That is not a happy feeling. You can seek refuge from volcanoes by driving away. From tornadoes in storm cellars. From Earthquakes? Not much you can do about that other than to stay away from fault zones. I now live near the New Madrid fault. That is a concern. Thanks for your analysis, Rob. Did I change your mind?

I live on the other end of the Ohio River from Marcia; not exactly on the New Madrid fault, but close enough to feel the effects. There was a documentary on tornadoes on TV the other night. It seems there is very little advance warning for them. Here's a link to the PBS website for some information on the program Hunt for the Supertwister: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tornado/

The Dooppler Radar is making great strides in prediction of tornadoes locally. I watched the hook reflection form on ours of last week before we all took the valuables to the basement for safety. It is far better than it has ever been and those down draft causing microbursts I hear frequently mentioned by the airport. They slam planes into the ground which is NOT a good thing. And now that I know so much more (from watching that NOVA Cheryl mentionee above) I am not looking forward to the flight to and from California in May. Welcome back, Cheryl. I was reading John Tsatsaragos' topic this morning, and I can't find anything on the internet any longer abuot his research or his state of health. I am most concerned.

Hmm... we get to drink whatever Cheryl adds to the Ohio River. She is present at the confluence that creates this great river.

I'm very careful about the Ohio River. I drink from it's waters too. An interesting fact about the Ohio is that it's never a small river. I think that it's navigable along it's entire length; well, perhaps with the help of lochs and dams. Okay, my point is that the Ohio is large river from its inception, where the Allegheny and the Monongahela Rivers flow together to form it, to the point where it flows into the Mississippi.

I was looking at a map and wondered why they did not continue using either river name for the Ohio. Each time other rivers enter it they don't change the name. Very odd. But lovely river and yes I know the locks and dams well. Don has been in them as an archaeologist for the Army Corps of Engineers. Speaking of which, he will be posting (or I will) more neat archaeology stuff. Since he got no feedback on the americana site I created for him when he posted, this took some doing to convince him people were really reading what he wrote.

wait, we have an americana site?

Oh my talk about disasters, I posted the reply on the wrong topic. Yes Geo 89 is American Folkways. We'd love to have you add your observations.

i've got to revisit that place, think i've been in there before.......

Deja Geo?

exactly!

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1346411.ece Meteor hits Norway with impact like that of a nuclear bomb.

At around 2:05 a.m. on Wednesday, residents of the northern part of Troms and the western areas of Finnmark could clearly see a ball of fire taking several seconds to travel across the sky. A few minutes later an impact could be heard and geophysics and seismology research foundation NORSAR registered a powerful sound and seismic disturbances at 02:13.25 a.m. at their station in Karasjok. Farmer Peter Bruvold was out on his farm in Lyngseidet with a camera because his mare Virika was about to foal for the first time. "I saw a brilliant flash of light in the sky, and this became a light with a tail of smoke," Bruvold told Aftenposten.no. He photographed the object and then continued to tend to his animals when he heard an enormous crash. "I heard the bang seven minutes later. It sounded like when you set off a solid charge of dynamite a kilometer (0.62 miles) away," Bruvold said. Astronomers were excited by the news. "There were ground tremors, a house shook and a curtain was blown into the house," Norway's best known astronomer Knut J�rgen R�ed �degaard told Aftenposten.no. R�ed �degaard said the meteorite was visible to an area of several hundred kilometers despite the brightness of the midnight sunlit summer sky. The meteorite hit a mountainside in Reisadalen in North Troms. "This is simply exceptional. I cannot imagine that we have had such a powerful meteorite impact in Norway in modern times. If the meteorite was as large as it seems to have been, we can compare it to the Hiroshima bomb. Of course the meteorite is not radioactive, but in explosive force we may be able to compare it to the (atomic) bomb," R�ed �degaard said. The astronomer believes the meteorite was a giant rock and probably the largest known to have struck Norway. "The record was the Alta meteorite that landed in 1904. That one was 90 kilos (198 lbs) but we think the meteorite that landed Wednesday was considerably larger," R�ed �degaard said, and urged members of the public who saw the object or may have found remnants to contact the Institute of Astrophysics. from the above url mentioned in the previous post.

There have been some very impressive shots taken of the impact crater from satellites and published on the internet.