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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:43:05 -0700
From: Jack
To: "
newphysics@mail.msr-wetware.com" ,
Ira Einhorn ,
"
los.angeles@fbi.gov" ,
Not See Nick , Stephen Schwartz
,
etc. (I cut out a bunch of addresses)
Subject: Re: [newphysics] 3 self-duping Jews - Stop Posting this stuff to
Newphysics
For the record note: Nick Herbert wrote:
"Saul-Paul Sirag is a True Scientist. Altho I find many of Max Weiss's
views despicable, I count Weiss also among the few authentic seekers of
Truth. I am honored to be called "friend" by both these courageous
souls."
Note especially Nick Herbert's words "I count Weiss also among the few
authentic
seekers of Truth. I am honored to be called "friend" by both these
courageous
souls."
True Nick also wrote "And in this next post I explicitly distance my
views from
Max's."
But given the whole pattern it does not ring true.
Nick also forwarded the following from an alleged friend of Weiss's. Why?
Nick you really do seem, from the hate-crime literacture
reproduced below, to have become a Jew-hating Nazi tool of
the Serbian Secret Police as Stephen Schwartz, reporter for
the San Francisco Chronicle, now in Bosnia, strongly
suspects. What the hell is going on here? Please explain.
Why are you doing this? Why are you attacking your old
friend Ira Einhorn. You also say you are in contact with
alien extra-terrestrials that you have sex with. Are you
testing The First Ammendment a la Lenny Bruce? Is your real
purpose only childish mischief as you lapse into senility in
your sixties, or, is it, as Schwartz thinks, more sinister
since Ira Einhorn was deeply involved in
counter-intelligence having to do with the Yugoslavs in the
period 1977 to 1979 because of Andrija Puharich?
nick herbert wrote:
>
> forwarded to me by Max Weiss>>>>
>
> The FBI is not the only American law-enforcement agency which is
> frustrated by the unwillingness of Bill Clinton to say "no" to the
> Israelis. Israel continues to be the hideout of choice for Jewish
> criminals of all sorts fleeing from justice. A Jew commits a murder or
a
> rape or some other serious crime in the United States, and if he's
> worried about being caught and punished he simply catches the next
> flight to Israel. That country has a custom of refusing to extradite
any
> Jewish criminal wanted for an offense against non-Jews in another
> country. Once a Jewish criminal reaches Israel, he is safe from
> prosecution and can thumb his nose at the world, no matter how heinous
> his crime.
>
> A recent example of this is the case of Maryland Jew Samuel Sheinbein.
> In September 1997 Sheinbein and another Jew, Aaron Needle, killed a
> non-Jewish teenaged neighbor, Alfredo Tello, in an argument over
drugs.
> After the two Jews had bludgeoned, stabbed, and strangled Tello, they
> slashed his throat. Then they cut Tello's body up with a power saw,
and
> burned some of the parts. When the Maryland police came looking for
him,
> Sheinbein got some money from his wealthy parents and hopped the next
> flight to Israel. He's been there ever since. The Israelis consider it
> immoral to turn a Jew over to Gentiles to be punished, and they have
> refused all requests by Maryland authorities for his extradition. Just
> over two weeks ago, on February 25, the Supreme Court of Israel handed
> down a final ruling against efforts to extradite Sheinbein. The
Israelis
> say they will put Sheinbein on trial in Israel for the murder of
Alfredo
> Tello. So far they haven't gotten around to it. And if they ever do,
> don't bet on a conviction.
>
> Another recent case of this sort of thing is that of Dror Goldberg, a
> Jew who committed an especially vicious murder in Houston, Texas. On
> November 27 of last year the 20-year-old Goldberg walked into a wig
shop
> near his Houston apartment, pulled out a knife, and began stabbing and
> slashing the two owners and a clerk. The owners survived the attack,
but
> the 54-year-old clerk died of her wounds. Police familiar with
> Goldberg's past activities suspect that it was a thrill killing: he
> simply wanted to kill someone with a knife to see what it felt like.
> Goldberg was arrested, but, like Sheinbein, he has wealthy parents.
His
> parents put up bail to get him out of jail, and now Houston police say
> they have reason to believe that Goldberg has fled to Israel to escape
> prosecution.
>
> Now, let me tell you, if it were any country but Israel the U.S.
> government wouldn't tolerate this sheltering of criminals who have
> murdered U.S. citizens. At the very least diplomatic relations would
be
> cut off and economic sanctions would be imposed. But of course, Israel
> gets special treatment. Israel can do no wrong, not only in the eyes
of
> the Clinton government, but in the eyes of virtually every government
> the United States has had in the last 50 years. When Jews in the
United
> States collaborated in the theft of nuclear materials from a U.S.
> nuclear fuel processing plant and the smuggling of the material to
> Israel in 1962, President John Kennedy and the media here were
> interested only in covering it up, not in holding Israel and its
> collaborators to account.
>
> When the Israelis deliberately attacked and tried to sink a U.S. Navy
> vessel, the U.S.S. Liberty, in the Mediterranean in 1967, killing 35
> U.S. citizens in the process, President Lyndon Johnson and the
> controlled news media in the United States didn't give a thought to
> punishing or even criticizing Israel for the murderous attack. Their
> entire concern was to keep the affair covered up, to keep the American
> public in the dark about it, and to protect Israel from any blame. The
> Liberty sent out an emergency call for assistance while it was under
> attack by the Israelis, and the U.S. Sixth Fleet in the Mediterranean
> sent jet aircraft speeding to the rescue. As soon as Lyndon Johnson
> learned that it was the Israelis who were trying to sink the Liberty,
> however, he ordered the U.S. jets recalled and left the Liberty on its
> own. He was terrified of the potential political reprisals against him
> if Israelis were killed by U.S. jets. Better to let the Israelis sink
> the Liberty and kill her entire crew. Even today the government's
> official story is that the attack on the Liberty was a "mistake," and
> beyond that, "no comment."
>
> And as it was with Lyndon Johnson in 1967 and with other U.S.
Presidents
> both before and since then, so it is with Bill Clinton today. U.S.
> government policy is that Jews can do no wrong; Israel can do no
wrong.
> This policy is excused on the basis that Israel is our gallant,
little,
> democratic ally in the Middle East, and that's why we give her special
> consideration in all things. But really, that's no excuse. Israel is
no
> ally; Israel is and always has been nothing but an enormous liability
> for America.
>
> And it's not just Israel which gets special treatment. It's Jews
> generally, whether they run to Israel for protection or not. I'll give
> you an example of the special treatment reserved for Jews which has
> gotten a very slight coverage in the news recently, and has been
noticed
> by those of us who notice such things: that's the case of Ira Einhorn.
> Einhorn was a Philadelphia-area leader of the so-called
"counter-culture
> revolution" of the 1960s and 1970s, a revolution which Jews like to
brag
> turned America upside down and changed young people's values. Bill
> Clinton was part of that revolution as a cheerleader for the Viet Cong
> and Ho Chi Minh and as an enthusiastic user of illegal drugs.
>
> Ira Einhorn was a smart, fast-talking Jewish con man, who moved in the
> same circles as other Jews of his ilk in that era: Jerry Rubin, Abbie
> Hoffman, Allen Ginsberg. Einhorn was much more than just a cheerleader
> for the Viet Cong. He was a full-fledged New Age guru. He managed to
> promote himself successfully as a spokesman for everything that was
> trendy: the marvelous effects of LSD and other psychedelic drugs,
> pyramid power, various oriental religious cults, transcendental
> meditation, UFOs and extraterrestrials, CIA conspiracies: you name it;
> Einhorn was able to pass himself off as an authority on it. He also
was
> a drug dealer.
>
> But mostly he was a very wordy and very self-confident Jew-boy, who
was
> able to mesmerize Gentiles young and old and bring them under his sway
> -- especially Gentile women. He managed to convince them that whatever
> nonsense he spewed on any subject was profound wisdom. This was the
case
> despite the fact that he was fat, hairy, greasy looking, and otherwise
> singularly unattractive: almost a stereotype of the Jew for whom the
> name "kike" was coined. Of course, the Jewish media and Jews in the
> Philadelphia establishment helped Einhorn maintain his "guru" image by
> taking him seriously and giving him good press.
>
> One of the young Gentile women Einhorn mesmerized was a beautiful,
> blonde girl from the little East Texas town of Tyler, Holly Maddux.
> Holly was not only beautiful, she was very bright and personable. She
> was a cheerleader in her high school and graduated as salutatorian.
Then
> in 1965 she went off to Bryn Mawr University in Philadelphia. Bryn
Mawr
> had been founded by Quakers, and in the 1960s it was a hotbed of
> everything liberal, trendy, and destructive of the old-fashioned
values
> Holly had learned in Texas. Holly began sleeping with Jews while she
was
> at Bryn Mawr. She was fascinated by their wordiness and their
> self-assurance, which she mistook for genuine intellectual qualities,
as
> many another naive Gentile girl has done.
>
> Eventually she met Ira Einhorn, who had risen to become the head
Jewish
> hippie of Philadelphia, and she fell under his spell. Einhorn
persuaded
> Holly to move into his apartment, and she lived with him for five
years,
> cooking and cleaning for him and sexually "servicing" him and letting
> herself be humiliated as he showed off his blonde shiksa slave to his
> Jewish friends. Then Einhorn murdered Holly and stuffed her corpse
into
> a trunk on an enclosed back porch attached to his apartment. The odor
> finally attracted the police, who obtained a search warrant and
> discovered the girl's decomposing body. Einhorn was arrested and
charged
> with Holly's murder in March 1979. Einhorn hired Philadelphia Jewish
> lawyer Arlen Specter, now a Republican U.S. senator, to get his bail
> reduced from $500,000 to $40,000. Einhorn put up the required $4000
cash
> and split. He went to Canada and then to Europe in order to avoid
> prosecution for the murder of Holly Maddux. In Europe he continued his
> role of New Age guru, and he continued attracting and using Gentile
> women. Well . . . Jewish women too: his biggest financial supporter
has
> been Barbara Bronfman, of the infamous Bronfman liquor-merchant and
> media family, which has been much in the news recently with demands
for
> billions of dollars in reparations from the rest of the world because
we
> haven't been treating Jews right. And for 20 years, this Jewish hippie
> guru has been living high in Europe, being supported by various women,
> and no one seems willing to hold him accountable for the murder of
Holly
> Maddux. The French government finally decided a few weeks ago that he
> should be deported, but they have given him two years to appeal their
> decision. I have a suspicion that two years from now Ira Einhorn will
be
> in Israel.
Subject: [newphysics] Schwartz �ber Tatsachen
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:52:25 -0800
From: nick herbert
Reply-To:
newphysics@mail.msr-wetware.com
To:
newphysics@mail.msr-wetware.com
Eat bread and Salt
And speak the truth
--Russian Proverb
jack--
I am a very simple person, not as convoluted and twisted as you seem to
need to make me. I do not have the time to review the entire
Weiss/Schwartz
exchange so the following exerpts must suffice:
on 11/20/98 in the midst of the Schwartz/Weiss bout (initiated by
Schwartz
as you recall) I sent you the following post:
jack--
<>
And in this next post I explicitly distance my views from Max's.
on 11/26/98 the following:
>
In addition, anyone who knows me even the slightest realizes I have
neither
the interest nor the ability to discourse so knowledgably as Max on the
minutea of European and Soviet History. And in all the time that you have
known me, Jack, have you ever known me to express the slightest
antagonism
toward the jews? I do not really care about your tribal squabbles. Leave
me
out. I have always identified myself primarily with scientists, whose
interests transcend mere nationalisms and tribalisms.
So contrary to your claim that I "was coy" and refused to identify Max
Weiss, in fact, at least six months ago, I explicitly denied that I was
Weiss as well as explicitly distancing myself from his "despicable"
views.
This is fact--in the record. If you claim ignorance of these facts, they
are still facts.
The fact that you take Stephen Schwartz's groundless speculations more
seriously than my unambiguous declarations suggests that you possess a
pathological dependence on credentialed AUTHORITY rather than common
sense
and the evidence of your own experience. For as you say (3/22/99):
>
I would not wish to argue you out of your pathology. I consider a prime
prerequisite for doing good science the ability to tolerate divergent
viewpoints even those I find despicable so I am not threatened by your
need
for a strong father figure to provide you with the Truth. I can learn
something even from fascists.
Nor do I object to your forwarding that third-hand hate piece about Ira
to
various news media. It was clearly labeled, as you may verify for
yourself,
not as my own work, but as a work forwarded to me by Max Weiss. And as
far
as I am concerned I would not hinder you or anyone else in distributing
any
literature from any source as you see fit to any medium you can reach.
(You
and your friends, on the other hand, seem to possess strong instinctive
objections to the free flow of any information that is the least bit
offensive to their sensitivities. It must be extremely uncomfortable for
them to live in a country like America that values free expression of
ideas.)
What I do object to is your supposition that I seem to be a "Jew-hating
Nazi" and the forwarding of THIS SUPPOSITION to various news media. In
this
case your pathological avoidance of simple truth leads you not just to a
deepening of your own confusion but to spreading gratuitous & libelous
falsehoods about myself.
I do not accept your arguement that my forwarding that post to your small
mailgroup implies that I am a "Jew-hating Nazi" any more than your
forwarding it to NBC, the Chronicle, Examiner et al makes you a
hate-criminal for attempting to distribute anti-semitic literature to a
mass audience.
You can forward anything you want: it is still a free country, but what
you
distribute in your own name is yours alone. So although I do hold you
blameless for forwarding Weiss's post I am holding you responsible for
defaming my good name by ignorantly braying to those same media that in
your opinion Nick Herbert seems to be a "Jew-hating Nazi".
Nick
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