Never heard of 'im.

ain't that what they call them steroid chewin' russky skaters?

No I sure have not. But from your excert Americ, he sounds like he did not organize his toughts as he wrote. It sounds like he wrote his book as a personal journal.

Well, I've made it into the conference, but I've never heard of Wittgenstein.

and we're glad you're here!

Yes!!!

Don't worry Megan, think Americ is the only one who really knows who this dude is! Welcome, and take a look around the place.

*sigh* this submiting and waiting thing is wearing me out... prefer telnet!

Stay on long enough to talk, please.

still here... what's on your mind? *concerned wrinkle of brow*

don't do that, it detracts from your natural good looks *wink*

and it gives me a headache! *smile*

Here is what I found from Wittegenstein (Source Grolier) for the benefit of those who have never heard from Wittgenstein. Ludwig Josef Johann Wittgenstein, b. Vienna, Apr. 26, 1889, d. Apr. 29, 1951, was one of the most original and influential philosophers of the 20th century. Born into a wealthy and cultured Austrian family, Wittgenstein received most of his early education at home before studying engineering. Having become interested in the foundations of mathematics, Wittgenstein began (1912) to study with Bertrand Russell at Cambridge. His early work led to the writing of the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus (1921). Havin given away a large inheritance, Wittgenstein taught elementary school from 1920 to 1926 in rural Austria and subsequently served as gardener in a monastery near Vienna. In 1929, Wittgenstein returned to Cambridge, and in 1939 he was appointed to the chair in philosophy formerly held by G. E. Moore. Wittgenstein wrote continually, and lecture notes, as well as dictated manuscripts, circulated widely, although often against his wishes. The most important of these dictations have been published as The Blue nd Brown Books: Preliminary Studies for the "Philosophical Investigations" (2d ed., 1969). After his death Wittgenstein's executors published the most important of his later writings, the Philosophical Investigations (1953), and almost a dozen other volumes. In the Tractatus, Wittgenstein claimed that the problems of philosophy arise when "the logic of our language is misunderstood." He also claimed to have given "on all essential points, the final solution of the problems." Wittgenstein thought he had provided this solution by analyzing the relation of language to the world, showing the boundaries of what can intelligibly be said or thought. Central to his analysis is a theory of meaning, usually referred to as the picture theory. The picture theory states t at simple objects exist, out of which complex ones are constructed. The relations of these objects to one another are represented, or pictured, in language, and only what can be so pictured can be stated intelligibly. The nature of the picturing relationship cannot be stated; because it is not a fact or an object, it can only be shown. Even though the relation cannot be articulated, it is possible to see it, and it must hold if language is to represent the way the world is. For Wittgenstein, therefore, th traditional problems of philosophy are not solved, but rather dissolved, because they arise from a failure to understand the picturing relations; consequently, the problems ask for answers to questions that are nonsensical. Once the nature of meaning is grasped, the problems cease to exist. This view of philosophy and its problems was influential from the start. His conclusions seemed to provide a method whereby many philosophical theories--notably those related to metaphysics and most of ethics--could be discarded as nonsense. Although the Tractatus retained considerable influence in LOGICAL POSITIVISM, it was Wittgenstein himself, in his later philosophy, who eventually produced the most devastating critique of his early work. He still viewed philosophical problems as arising in some way from confusion about language, and he still saw his work as a means of dissolving these problems. In the Tractatus, however, Wittgenstein had thought of language primarily as giving and manipulating the names of given objects. In his later wor he considered this inadequate, because naming can only take place in the context of a developed language, for which there already exist rules for picking out objects, properly using names, and properly carrying out operations. The criteria for these activities, in turn, are to be found not in logic but in the actual practice of a language-using group. Thus, while his early philosophy equates meaning with representing, or picturing, the later philosophy sees meaning in terms of doing, of participating in hat he calls a "language game." Wittgenstein held that any general theory of meaning would be inadequate to dispel philosophical perplexity and that the way to escape the bewitchment of the mind by language is to examine in detail how the language in question is used in the particular language game in which it is found. With his insights on language and meaning, Wittgenstein shed new light on a variety of problems, notably skepticism and the problem of other minds. His work, however, has been extended by other thinkers into all areas of philosophy.

Ok, Ok, sheesh, coulda just given me a book title or somethin'!! (but thanks anyway)

Yeah, then we can go to the library and check out the Cliff Notes!

Some years ago, I was told by a philosopher from Hunter College in NYC that Wittgenstein contained the next 1000 years in him. I have read the Tractatus and a lot of logical positivism in my early years. I also read a lot of Bertand Russell and mathematical logic. I was much into this stuff. Later, I became interested in Hiedegger and the general question of being.