wer, please check out projects. Also, anyone interested in a little paying gig on our cs site, check out projects childrenstory topic (requires some understanding of webtv).

will do...

Welcome heidi and karen as hostesses of Drool!

WELCOME!!! I thought Nan was hostess all along. Is she coming to inner, or what? What is going on in there??

Evelyn Boake was the previous droolhostess. And she is passing the baton on to Heidi and Karen. I think I got Heidi spelled right that time!

Any new topic ideas anyone? Does anyone have a burning passion that would be fun to talk about? Ideas?

Java! It's my new thing to learn, and I'm rather hoping it will get me a very good job after graduation!

Sure, what conference should we put it in? computer? web?

since it's really just another programming language, how about putting it in computer and linking it to web?

Sure, you want to start it, Ray? We don't have a java topic now? I'll talk to you about Java.

sure!

"It's a software initiative that could decide who owns corporate desktops for the next 10 years. More vaporware from Microsoft Corp.? Hardly. This time, it's IBM Corp. taking the offensive. Indeed, IBM (NYSE:IBM) has drawn up a strategic blueprint to transform its enterprise business into an electronic-commerce powerhouse that spans millions of corporate desktops. In addition to betting the bank on Java, the blueprint calls for IBM to pump up Netscape's desktop business, head off Microsoft's Web browser and aggressively push OS/2 Warp customers onto other platforms. ... read more and comment in the computer conference topic on java. ratthang, would you mind linking this to the web conference, cause I keep going there to look for this.

can i do that? i thought only hosts of confs could do things like that and AFAIK i dont host this conf or the web conf!

yeah, yeah, yeah...I'll do it...

We can add you if you want, Ray.

wer: hahaha!!!! ray and terry: see, it worked *heehee* i see java stuff everywhere but don't understand what it means. i know it's another code and all that but what can it do? and please explain appelets to me-there is a site on the web with a picture of a wolf sitting by a body of water and the bottom half of the picture is a reflection of said wolf with ripples in the water. HOW does that work? and is it tedious?

java is a programming language developed by some engineers at sun microsystems. the big deal about java was that it was designed to operate on any computer platform, whether Windows, Unix, Mac, etc. another important aspect of Java is that it was designed to run across networks, so that the programs could transmit themselves across a network to operate and that they could also transmit information across networks. if you already know how to program in C++ or another OO language then Java is actually pretty easy to learn. Otherwise it would be daunting for a beginner to pick up. the wolf near water you are looking at is a java applet. applets are small programs that run inside of web browsers that do any cool things you want them to, all written in java.

so where can i learn this stuff? is it easy to pick up like html? should i move this discussion to web????? am i asking too many questions? help!!

Sure, talk to us in web. I'm sure there's an html topic or two there. There are many resources for learning html on the web itself. Try doing a web search in http://www.infind.com and type the words html resources or html tutorial or html class and see what it brings back. What kind of system and software are you running, wolfie?

windows 95, compaq pentium. html is okay, as i learn it as i go, but the other stuff--so, i'll do the search and will probably join web. thanks!!

There's also a great book with color illustrations but I'm not at home now to pull it off the shelf. It has a yellow border and is full of good examples. Let us know what your search unveils ok? Maybe we can post some of the better instructional sites in the web conference or perhaps even make a page of links. I use FrontPage for ease of use, but for years I've mostly coded html using the simplest of text editors like Windows Notepad.

i'd really like to know if a code exists to put pictures where you want them-- i.e., center them in relation to each other (if one is bigger than the one next to it) have smaller graphics sprinkled about without having to edit them into wallpaper---that kind of stuff. i tried doing it with the front page thingy i've got with this system but to no avail. will look about and let you guys know. i can't be the only one with questions!

try using dynamic HTML (DHTML). there is a DHTML editor called Astound that might be useful, wolfie. you might also try some creative use of tables or frames in regular HTML. what i would do in that situation is to simply lay the pictures out the way i want using a photo editor (e.g., PaintShop Pro) then just merging them all into one bigass gif or JPG.

yeah but wouldn't that take some time to download? the page would take forever to load up! i've heard of dhtml but don't know anything about it...thanks.....

William, please check the projects conference for some notes about what Evelyn needs, eg. getting Heidi and Karen set up to push content. When we get a little further along, wolfie, you can have a front page enabled website here which will make it a lot easier.

Ree didn't check in last night!

New! Topic 55 in music: The Beatles.

The weather in Austin is getting out of hand. See topic 31 in the austin conference.

Topic 27 in cars: car jokes Find the car you drive in the list of cars and their personalities.

tv. ally mcbeal. Ally jumps on John Ritters face.

Bruce Sterling Establishes "Viridian List" If you watch the news, you may have noticed that we Texans have had a summer of unprecedent heat and drought, followed by an autumn of unprecedented floods. I have therefore started a new, second mailing list, which will center around 21st century Green design issues. The new "Viridian Mailing List" seeks a historical understanding of technology, society, and their future trends, centering around the Greenhouse Effect. Unlike Dead Media, which has been very calm and scholarly, this Viridian list will probably be rather strident and opinionated. If you would like to join the Viridian List, send me email. I will send you the 6,633-word text of my recent San Francisco lecture, in which I vent some of my strong feelings on this subject. Bruce Sterling (bruces@well.com) Where can we start a topic on this? Which conference and what would the topic be called. Any suggestions?

hmmm...how about spirit since that is where saving the world started... or put it in cultures...

That sounds sensible.

topic 333 in apps: What are buddy lists? Read Microsofts astonishing press release. Is this the beginning of the end for ICQ? Can you find our newby from China? I hope he keeps coming back. End male topic creation dominance!

y2k Talk about it in Internet 31 (internet conference topic 31). " For those absent in byline, I'm being bombarded with vitriolic and often bizarre email about my story last week, "Y2K: The Missionary Position." I'd be interested to know what folks think of the criticisms at... http://www.wired.com/news/news/wiredview/story/15875.html One person who wrote directly to me accused me of blaming Christians for the Y2K problems." _ Joe Nickell, Wired writer

From a Ralph Nader funded mailing list that is an excerpt from a supposed Microsoft internal paper on the threat of Linux to Microsoft in the server realm. See the linux topic in the unix conference. When was the last day you visited the exciting unix conference?

Topic 8 in the computer conference is about the Halloween Memorandum about how open software is a threat to Microsoft (the leaked memo) and Microsoft's response acknowledging it is not a fake. I call it the how convenient department, the best possible time for a competitor to emerge!

Comics as art? Discuss in art 42!

Will the real vegas please stand up? See topic 7 in the art conference about the Enigma Garden Cafe and well, read it and and comment.

Jesse "the body" Ventura, the Governor elect of Minnesota, has a very interesting spin on things. Read in topic 15 in the politics conference.

techbusiness has some interesting new topics. And read about both cfp 99 and cfp 00 in the cfp conference. Glad to see Stacey checking in today, she's like sunshine!

Tantric Yoga. New topic in sex. Or call it tantric sex if you will. Have you tried it?

what the hell is it? does it sink in frigid water? (titanic pun)

ha-ha! Tantric sex is the kind of sex women practice while suffering from PMS - all to do with tantrums, you see.

No not titanic sex. And not trantrum sex. *Tantric* sex. I can see you gals need an introduction. Check out the topic and then comment.

Have you been following Bruce Sterlings Viridian list? It's in cultures and it's very interesting stuff. Head over there and comment!

Rumi. A linked topic I created in poetry 32 or spirit 40, take your pick.

Help a striking NBA player to get that Mediterreanean cruise! See the NBA topic in sports.

there are some new response items in the science conference, pointing to different stories from the world of science. feel free to read and discuss!!!!!! i have considered doing a little on-line tutorial on quantum physics. this would consist of me making postings about quantum physics in the science conf for folks to read along with and discuss. any takers?

I wish Steve Manson was still around to join you in quantum physics talk. http://www.spring.net/~boyce

and it harm none, do as thou will, ratthing!!!

i wish steve were here too. i am no expert on quantum physics by a long shot but i am learning alot about it and it is always fun to share when you are learning new stuff.

I wish Steve Austin were here too.

Something tells me we're not talking about Stephen f. Austin, the founder of Austin...

a man barely alive. We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

Or in Afrikaans: Steve Austin. Ruimtevaarder. Onherkenbaar vermink. Maar ons kan weer van hom 'n mens maak. Ons beskik oor die tegnologie. Love it!

Happy to help with the quantum physics stuff, Ray...

how wonderful! you can be the reality check for everything i post.

Got a call from Mahalene in Cedar Creek, and Ree's tape arrived. First chance I get, I'm going to pick it up or have someone from there bring it by. Good news, it has made the transatlantic crossing and now just has to be transported across town to the Springs vcr!

But I'm so sorry, Terry! The tape will be alright - nothing can make it more boring than it is - but your cheese!!! It's going to be pink, purple AND green by now!

That will make it tastier, right?

I don't know! I hope so - I just don't want you sickened at the sight!

I've been peppering the Spring with all kinds of cool things today. Go check 'em out. In web, internet, and lotsa other places. And you do the same, post some cool stuff around the Spring. And read topic 51 in this conference and invite some more cool folks to join us. We're gonna make it happen here! Gonna do it!!! You with me?

Sure!!

Yes, Dad!

Yes, Master Claw!

Man was I hyped when I wrote that, exsqueeze moi.

Hey, the Ree Ree video is here and we should be playing it soon. Went out to the Creek house yesterday and picked it up. Haven't tried the cheese yet, but it looked fine. We can pick off the mold around the edges! Tim got a juicy looking package too. Thanks a bunch Ree! You'll be playing on spring.net soon.

what's the latest on Ree-Vision??

there are some new topics in the SCIENCE topic. i have broken down the Science in the news topic into specific areas, such as physics, biology, etc. check em out and post away!

!!

okay... anyway, there's a Spring cookbook topic going on in the food conf, and everybody should go check out the collecting conference, as well...

Horoscope, here and in spirit now. Since it vaporized from genx. heh.

What do you want to talk about today. Topic 56. It's going to be a question posed on our main http://www.spring.net page, which is due for a makeover don't you think?

yep...if I only had the time and the access...

One of those is easy to fix.

true

Thanks to a very kind benefactor, http://www.austen.com is back online today. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Well, almost online, the domain name got paid for another year ($35), part of a $150 donation and Internic is churning it's wheels to get the site relisted. It just gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling to have supporters like these!

yes it does!

Jon Lebkowsky's latest cyberdawg rantings, actually his top ten list for the year is in the Internet conference. Jon is a local writer and Internet maven at Whole Foods.

Read Gary Chapman's latest column in the cfp conference.

Topic 2 in vc (virtual community) is about a Salan Magazine article about eh use and misue of the word "community", comment on how this relates to the Spring if you like in this topic.

Someone on the Spring earlier we talked about the Yapp manual in Postscript format. Well, I just noticed an ad on my table that Daniel left about some software that creates PDF files. It's called EZ-PDF and there may be a demo version at http://www.acquiredknowledge.com This may enable Ray to convert that Postscript file to PDF format so William and I can read it. Now, what topic and conference did we discuss this earlier? Their ad says "Now you don't have to be a rocket scientist to confiture Acrobat Distiller correctly. Of course, since Ray is a rocket scientist of sorts, he may not need this and may be able to make Distiller work.

It's was in the making VC's pay (not verbatim on the title) topic in vc...

now if i just *had* distiller!

Distiller is payware? Ooops.

Roan Carratu has some very interesting observations on "why the Farm failed" in the farm conference. Please encourage Roan to explore other nooks and crannies of our virtual community, he being quite the communitarian to begin with!

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