Echo announces the next ... ECHOLIVE! Live chats on the Internet MONDAY, Nov. 3rd 8:00 PM, Karla Huebner, Co-Chair of the National Writers Union's Book Division. #5 in Yahoo! Internet Life's Top 25 Online Chats. "EchoLive attracts a sophisticated audience ... if you consider highbrow conversation an evening well spent, this is definately the place." [We have our lowbrow moments too.] New York, NY. [October, 1997] For the sixth straight year, Echo presents online conversations with emerging and controversial voices in film, music, publishing, the arts and multimedia. The chats are FREE and open to anyone with Internet access. To participate, dial 212-292-0910 with your modem or telnet to echonyc.com and login as 'echolive'. Karla Huebner, Co-Chair of the National Writers Union's Book Division, and author of WOMEN LOOKING AT MEN: THE MALE FIGURE AND EROTIC INTENT IN WOMEN'S ART, wrote and compiled ON THE ROAD: THE NATIONAL WRITERS UNION GUIDE TO BOOK PROMOTION with fellow NWU activists. How-tos, checklists, personal experiences, bookstore, radio, TV, newspaper, and other contacts get authors off to a good start. ON THE ROAD is currently available to NWU members only. Huebner is also working on a novel about a Holocaust victim who's reincarnated into the early television era as the sometimes-psychic only daughter to a pair of Minnesota Lutherans. For more info: (212) 292-0900 or www.echonyc.com..

Stacy Horn (stacy) Tue Dec 2 '97 (08:49) 34 lines Echo the virtual salon of nyc announces the next ... ECHOLIVE! Live chats on the Internet Thursday, December 11th, 8:00PM: Margot Mifflin, author of Bodies of Subversion: A Secret History of Women and Tattoo (Juno Books). #5 in Yahoo! Internet Life's Top 25 Online Chats. "EchoLive attracts a sophisticated audience ... if you consider highbrow conversation an evening well spent, this is definately the place." [We have our lowbrow moments too.] For the sixth straight year, Echo presents online conversations with emerging and controversial voices in film, music, publishing, the arts and multimedia. The chats are FREE and open to anyone with Internet access. To participate, dial 212-292-0910 with your modem or telnet to echonyc.com and login as 'echolive'. The first feminist history of tattoo art, Bodies of Subversion is a fascinating excursion into a subculture that dates back to the 19th century. It documents circus attractions of the 1870s, the first Western woman tattooist, who started in 1904, and breast cancer survivors of the '90s who tattoo their mastectomy scars as an alternative to breast reconstruction or prostheses. "In this provocative work full of intriguing female characters from tattoo history," writes Susan Faludi, "Mifflin makes a persuasive case for the tattooed woman as an emblem of female expression." Barbara Kruger calls it "an indelible piece of cultural history." And tattoo historian Don Ed Hardy says it's "essential reading for anyone interested in the subject." For more info: (212) 292-0900 or www.echonyc.com.

I have just put up an interview of Stacy Horn on my public forum site at: www.goldwarp.com/beingwired There you will find a link to Stacy's introduction and entry to the discussion topic with Stacy. She just registared and logged into the system this afternoon. You can registar yourself for free and pop into the conference topics.

Oops!... this system need a little more info to create the live link to the above, it is: http://www.goldwarp.com/beingwired

Echo - The Virtual Salon of NYC and The Interactive Telecommunications Program (ITP) at NYU invite you to celebrate the publication of Cyberville Clicks, Culture and the Creation of an Online Town by Stacy Horn J a n u a r y 1 5 , 1 9 9 8 f r o m 6 - 9 P M at The Interactive Telecommunications Program 721 Broadway, 4th floor, elevators on the left "Horn's candor and sense of humor are vastly appealing, particularly when compared to the pomposity of much other writing about the net . . . this should be required reading for anyone wishing to understand the human side, and human potential of cyberspace." --Publisher's Weekly Echo and ITP will also be celebrating the publication of the following books by Echo authors: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Virtual Spaces: Sex and the Cyber Citizen by Cleo Odzer, Ph.D (Putnam-Berkley 11/97) Warp by Lev Grossman (St. Martin s Press 11/97) When She Was Bad: Violent Women and the Myth of Innocence by Patricia Pearson (Viking) Bodies of Subversion: A Secret History of Women and Tattoo by Margot Mifflin (Juno Books 12/97) Night Beat: A Shadow History of Rock & Roll by Mikal Gilmore (Doubleday 1/98) Delirium by Doug Cooper (Hyperion 2/98) Getting Beyond Hello : Miss Mingle's Guide to Social Success by Jeanne Martinet (William Morrow) Field of Schemes: How the Great Stadium Swindle Turns Public Money into Private Profit by Joanna Cagan/Neil DeMause (Common Courage Press) Weary Feet, Rested Souls: A Guided History of the Civil Rights Movement by Townsend Davis (W.W. Norton & Co.) Sex, Stupidity and Greed: Inside the American Movie Industry by Ian Grey (Juno Books 3/98) Unafraid of the Dark by Rosemary L. Bray (Random House 3/98) Designing Digital Space: an Architect's Guide to Virtual Reality by Daniela Bertol (John Wiley and Sons, 1997) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

The most inside stuff I've heard in a while. There's a big flap on the WELL about Stacy Horn quoting wellbeings without their consent. A lot of crying going on. Here's what vassilio has to say: Topic 336 [vc]: Cyberville, by Stacy Horn, founder of ECHO #267 of 267: Vassilios Koronakis (vassilio) Tue Mar 31 '98 (13:21) 116 lines I *did* meet her at the Imamura screening and we *did* have a short-lived affair. She will remember that I introduced her to Steve, Fabiano's assistant at the Public, then. Jonathan R., my friend. film-critic from Chicago was there and we talked "Rivette" (his obsession). She will remember that she drew something for me on a napkin at the Hungarian Pastry Shop at Columbia- a souvenir I stupidly keep. Showed her photos of me with Tavel, Harvey Fierstein and Jack Smith and, again, she drew something angelic over my head, in one of the photos. (One of the photos: at White Castle, I think, celebrating success of Torch Song Trilogy, no?) I introduced her to Kiarostami, damn it! She dropped coffee on my canvas bag at Cloisters cafe. In October. When Gerd arrived and I showed up with her at the PS event, she became an Aumette. When I asked (bitchily, I admit) where is the representative of Whitney (in an event that was, after all, co-sponsored by the museum) she shut me off. Sometime later, I entered Echo for the first time and saw there was a discussion about "that" European Gentleman (and his KGB aura!) of Echo's PS event! So I started posting. First, at the Whitney Conference. After a day my post is deleted (maybe rightly). I go to the feedback conference and I start a topic. Nothing was different then than it is now- in terms of my style, anyway: "madness", the madness I love in all poets, in Artaud, in Greek mythology, in Tokyo's subway, in all woks of life, in R. Crumb, in how-to books, moussakas-for-the-soul, Borges and the late Bunuel. Maybe I didn't have the talent, but I had a credit card and ASCII. And I had the Art milieu of that most provincial Sparta of the planet, Manhattan. A Sparta with a couple of BBS's like Artnet and The Thing. Their sysops were starving. The bbs were free. And I was thinking that in cspace we would manage to beat all Leo Castelli's of the future, by hiting them with our cyber-honeysuckle. So I went to the Cyberfair for Artists and spoke against monopolies like Echo. And when the Manhattan Neighborhood Network (a community cable channel I was using, the one carrying the Echopet program:YORB) told me, by accident, that they had an "NYU" program called YORB-and the program manager kept on insisting that Echo *is* NYU, I called NYU's Arts department myself, spoke to the Dean's assistant (Kim?), explained to her who I was and asked if indeed Echo was a part of NYU. I was told: NO! But little Kim, after hanging up, called Stacy. An hour later it was all over Echo: Euroman is trying to shut down Echo!! And so on... What I am trying to say is that Stacy did not go to the FBI and the police, to report me as a maniac, for no BillGatesreason. Usually on Echo, Stacy-designated enemies, unechoids et al are given the usual pre-orchestrated (X-conf.) avant-garde sadism lubrication and they are thrown out. That's it. This is the 90's and ethics are abridged My case was special. Stacy remembered me as the lover of October who went Viking (Gerd is a Norwegian conceptual artist, the famous model of the Fuji Sunshine posters of the 70's) and who was questioning, now, the cultural authenticity of the Alliances she was transparently weaving, after drumming, on Lafayette St., in Soho, everywhere...) [Remember, Stacy? "This is Despina Papadopoulou, did great work for Voyager last summer!"; you even managed to have protoges with junta names!] (and stacy had a lot of free time; no matter what people tell you, believe me: she is a modem in bed.) She asked , the host of the Feedback conference (and the one who had called me KGB agent) to post on April 30, 95 in the feedback topic I had started: ATTENTION EVERYONE! Stacy has asked me to tell you that this topic is for vassilio only. Everyone else should consider themselves on read-only in this item. Thank you. In the meantime, she called the FBI and reported me to the police. I kept on posting-I didn't know. Only because Tannenbaum was not sharp enough, I found out. She had filed complaint #3407 with the New York Police Department on the advice of a "FBI specialist on computer crime and her lawyer." It turned out that Mr. Godwin himself was conducted. The same Mr. Godwin who represented Ms. Horn throughout the 199 debate. Ms. Horn never showed up in 199 to present her pov. She had Mr. Godwin. Now I am home, 70th and Columbus, I hear my stomach on the other side of the street, I take Zantac, I have tears the size of nipples and I don't know what to do. I contact the cyber-lawyers of the Well. Would like to help but right now they are writing hot letters to the senate about fetuses' cyberrights. Am I a fetus? No! (laughs!) Or: A. has bought me books when I was all alone in Terlingua. Sorry. B. saved my anthology. Can't oppose him now. And the best: Please contact Pico Iyer. He is very outspoken. Late at night, I find the number of Louise Gluck. We have a common friend at Harvard. I say: You are in danger, Louise. You have mentioned Echo in one of your poems. Echo has a lawyer now. David A. Menken. One North Broadway, Suite 716, White PLains. She says: send him to Dickey, I don't do no boxes.