these boots are made for bikin'

This topic can include clothes and apparel as well!

I'm partial to basics: A traditional "Euro" style plain leather jacket that's been with me for years, jeans or cords, and I use a pair of plain German surplus police cycle boots (flat rubbered sole, 18", steel inserts). Also a pair of bullhide Noconas when I'm not racing around, just for going on short jaunts and meets, etc. Yes, I'd love a 1 piecer, but I don't ride every day anymore, and changing in & out of the full gear became a pain. I'm looking at RoadGear's Montana outfit more lately. I'm one of th few I know here who gears up for pretty much any ride, never short sleeved or shorts, etc. A must.

My friend Albert (the guy with the Vaklyrie) is looking for some motorcycle boots, what do folks recommend.

Topic 16 of 18: 'small is beautiful' Response 25 of 25: Albert Mayer (pelles) Tue, Nov 11, 1997 (11:13) 8 lines I just bought my Valkyrie a couple of weeks ago and i noticed that it's starting to get a little cold out side now. I have a really nice jacket helmet and gloves but no boots. I took a look at a bunch of cruiser boots and even racing boots but didn't find any that I liked so I was wandering if anyone knew about a place where I can get custom boots made. I live in Austin so it would be convenient if I could find such a place locally but I would be will to go out of Austin to get what I want.

I moved the above post to here because Albert posted it in the wrong spot inadvertently.

For general use I use a pair of high(ish) Caterpillar boots, they are reasonably waterproof and comfortable. the only problem with them is that the "comando style" soles eat foot rest rubbers, but that I can live with 'cos they stick to the ground in the wet! Several friends run either Doc Martins, or Para boots. none of there are particularly pretty, but work well

I personally have stuck with plain ole' "engineer" boots for about a million years. When they need it, I get them resoled. I smear lots of mink oil on them at the end of every summer, 'cuz it starts to get wet around here then. I do use Spenco insoles, which I spent more time researching than the boot I should wear. I have plenty of room for two light pair of socks in the winter when it is cold, and room at the top for, ... well...whatever one would want to carry in the top of one's boots. Plenty com ortable to walk around in. If you go on the road with boots, take something else to slip on your feet at nights...gives the boots a chance to dry out. Summertime distance riding can be tough on the inside of your footgear. Ed

I agree, Ed. My Wolverines (aren't ya'll sick of hearing me preaching?) have soles that stick like glue, but are still comfortable and long lasting.

Jon I take good notes, but in cold condition the metal caps aren't they transmiting the coldness?

Hee. Nah, mine are pretty heavily insulated--with a flannel lining, in fact. Your toes (in my opinion) shouldn't touch the toes much on a good fitting pair of boots.

I don't know if this is the case or not, but I feel safer with my toes incased in steel. If it can protect your feet from dropping a 500 pound piece of pipe on 'em (I have a friend who's had this experience working in the oil field), surely it'll help if you lay the bike over on 'em.

Oops, I just posted in a prior thread about my new Cabella's Wellington boots. I'll wait til tomorrow or so when they're delivered to tell ya how comfortable they are. Thinsulate lined and Gore-Tex booty..warm and dry.

500 pounds is a heavy poin of view I agree. And works boots are oil resistant and have generaly good grip. I'll think about it.

I've always worn hightop hunting boots. They are oil resistant, thinsulate lined, waterproof, and priced under $100. Recently, I read Motorcycle Online's review of the HD lace/zipper boots. They are pricey at $165, but they are very nice boots. They come either steel toe, or without. Read the review and judge for yourself. One thing is certain--riding with anything but a sturdy boot is asking for trouble. I see more guys wearing sneakers than anything else--really foolish. They don't resist oil like a good boot, they allow your ankle to roll over, they aren't waterproof, and they don't offer any protection from road debris or in an accident. Really amazes me how some folks will pay $500 for a full graphics repli-helmet, and then spank on some shorts and a wornout pair of sneakers. Ya gotta wonder! My Nike Dumboys really match my bike perfectly, don't ya think? hehe

I agree Brad. My 1st pair of riding boots were Sears 16" engineers, i don't know if they still make 'em (mine were stolen). The steel caps at heel and toe help during many rides on the Isle of Man-hattan. there are several makes of dedicated boots in similar styles now, i feel it's well worth the smallish investment, they should last as long as you ride. I suggested the lo-boots to Sam because of climate and (probable?) riding style. The Motoport Miamis offer more support than I thought. About $80. Sometimes a good boot down there is all you need to get going! (God, it's cactching, Brad!)

(God, it's catching, Brad!) Like a disease baby, without any cure! hehe

The boots that I use now I bought in 1972 from Top Gear the accessory arm of Triumph/BSA.They were made in England by Ashmans and have steel toe and steel shank(for kick starting).I have replaced on zipper(full length for rear entry) but the soles are still good tho starting to get worn.I paid $110.00 for these boots in 1972 so I think that I really got a good deal 25 years later.Whatever you buy it pays to get the best you can.If I were buying today I would look at Westcoast Shoe company.1-800-326-2711.PO box 607 Scappoose,OR 97056-0607. They have a great line of shoes and boots for work and motorcycling and will buid to your order.Price is up there but I think the value is also.

One problem with steel toed boots is getting through the airport security....

transplant alert: Topic 13 of 18: 'staying safe' Response 98 of 98: Shane Adams (Shane) Wed, Nov 12, 1997 (14:48) 1 lines Prefer a stiff Hiking Boot........ Not the old brown bombs that weighed a ton but the new ones that they have are almost like a tennis shoe... Lots of ankle support, they are a leather and nylon mix, and they provide great traction, most of all they're comfortable....

Sometimes a good boot down there is all you need to get going! (God, it's cactching, Brad!) Now you know how it feels, Frank!\ I am one of those poor, unwashed sods who wears (or wore) sneakers on a bike. I havew worn workboots and I ask this: How in the blue blazes do you shift gears in steel-capped workboots? As far as I know, shifting gears requires a sure but sensetive touch, neither of which is provided by a foot shod in engineering work boots.

Sure, sure. Sensitive? Heck no. Besides, my Wolverines are as soft and pliable as an old pair of slippers--very comfortable and very nice on a motorcycle.

Y'know Sam, you can adjust the angle of the shift lever on every bike, as far as I know. Just move the angle up a little to fit the lever just at the top of your boot-toe. You get used to the slight bulky feel of engineer style boots pretty easily. 'Course the *cruiser* guys have those "forward" rocker shifters, so the don't have to worry about that.

Ah, the beauty of heal-toe. Just a little tap will do ya. Once you're used to it, it's terrific. Saves the top of your boot, to boot! I don't know if we can trust Blob--I've heard he's a real shiftless character! hehe

I hate heel and toe cuz I have to lift my whole foot up to get to it. A standard foot peg and shifter are much better, in my opinion.

Why lift your whole foot? On my King, I simply set the front and back pegs about one inch off the floorboard. All I have to do is pivot my foot and bang! I tell ya, the top of my left foot never felt so good! I have noticed that the heal/toe shifters on some of the Japanese cruisers are not adjustable. I also know that shifting a Japanese bike and a Harley are two entirely different matters. Japanese bikes shift like a hot knife in butter--click, click. When you shift a Harley, you feel it baby. As far as peg versus floorboard, I find on a long trip that rubber-mounted floorboards are a foot saver. Much less vibration and fatigue, and no sore spot on my arch. For me, it was definately a shift in the right direction

I have to agree with Brad... I never thought I would like the Heel/Toe shifter but for me once I got used to the concept it was actually more efficient than the toe shifter. Less foot travel going back and forth between up and down shifting. Brad, I may have an oddball but shifting the Wing (it's an '84) is a long ways from a Knife through hot butter... Not as clunky as the Harley but close......

Y'know the Harleys are clunky but an older BMW or Guzzi clunks and wiggles. That's always been pretty weird to me. I guess due to the physics of the shaft drives. The Harley "clunk" is just solid machined parts doing their jobs, as far as I'm concerned.

That's interesting Shane. It seems that on Harleys it has a lot to do with the lack of tension on the primary chain, which is why some folks install the M6 Chain Tensioner. I really don't mind the thunk--it feels meaty! But, I'd rather tap it down than smack up my toe! Just like learning to walk--heal toe, heal toe, heal toe! hehe

Hmmmm, Maybe I best be checking Shaft Splines and etc... This is where I could use some advice.......

I will probably have the best opportunity to adjust the shifter: I need to replace my gearshift shaft. But my Goodyear size 14 work boots are far too bulky and cumbersome to fit under the pedal. Besides, the soles are broken straight through, and I now wear size 15 shoes (these are American sizes).

All the time I thought your name was Sam, and now I find out its Big Foot. Just got my new Cabella's Wellingtons. Man are they comfortable and warm. The 400gm Thinsulate lining is toasty and they've got a Gore-Tex booty. Paid a tidy sum of $154, including shipping..but they're worth it. I wore tall hunting boots like Brad, but got tired of lacing em up..plus I don't want to wear em out for hunting (went pheasant hunting last weekend and had a big feast Saturday night). I've not gotten used to the heel/toe shifter, but made it a point yesterday to use the heel part. I'm kinda like Jon in that I don't like lifting my heel, though I could adjust it a little better. Been thinking of replacing it with a toe shifter only, as it would give me more room for my foot. I like sliding my right foot back some, but can't do that with the left foot (which would be nice when hot roddin in the corners..if you can do that on a Star). Not meaning to get off-subject, but I just got thru playing with Netscape's Page Composer and put the start of a web page up. It's basically screwing around cause I don't get my scanner til next week when I can get more pics up. Check it out at http://www.mindsync.com/royalstar. Like I said, it's just a start and I'll be revamping it when I get the time and the scanner.

We'll check out that cool page of yours k man. I think the ultimate bike boots may be the new Ecco hiking boots, they're $250 (full list) but they are the world's ultimate shoe. I tried on a pair and they fit like a glove on my feet. They're heavily padded, very flexible, yet very supportive of the whole foot. Any thoughts on hiking boots as bikewear?

Hiking boots work very well as they support (and cover) your ankle and won't come off in the even of a mishap. Like I said--I wouldn't wear my Rockports because I didn't want to wear out a $120 pair of hiking shoes, and riding on the pavement alot means lots of wear, tear, oil, etc.

Will recommend SIDI motorcycle boots. Seven inches tall, easy to put on velcro strips. Very roomy and comfortable. Nice, low toe for shifting. About $120 in catalogs. Not insulated, but heavy socks should do the trick in winter.

I like SIDI also, and looked at the Gaerne's. Trouble is if you wear 'em all the time they wear out fairly quickly.

OK, after all this is said, who has the best boots here?

Do you think there's an answer to that question, Terry? I'd say "mine", but there are plenty of dissenting opinions.

And anyone who disagrees with me will be tied up with piano wire!

Some wear 'em just for style first, some just for comfort, some wear 'em only for short rides (Sidi), some wear 'em all day. It's tough. I findboots to be the most comfortable footwear, but remember well the weirdo glances I got when someone spotted them as I was on my way to the copy machine at work, etc. Corbin and the above-mentioned Western Footgear Co. get my foot-I-mean-vote presently.

SIDI makes motorcycle boots? They are certainly a premier cyclist shoe manufacturer.

Never knew that! Always used Adidas for my bicyclin'! Sidi used to be a coveted boot for motorcycle sport-tourers, but now has stiff competition everywhere. They still make good boots don't get me wrong, especially for those who prefer a plain look to the multicolors of Alpinestars or (yugh) Bieffe.

Cool. Yet another loose tether from my life to yours (and vice versa).

Fox also makes suspensions for these "new" suspended bicycles, as well as motorcycles.

Don't know Fox. Do they market under another company?

What about Campagnolo? Big on both markets, no?

VERY big in road bike parts and groupos!

I don't know if they still do motorcycle wheels, but I think so. And they used to make other bits, but concentrate chiefly on automobile wheels.

Does Cannondale do anything with suspension for the motorized bikes?

Nah. Just outrageously expensive bicycle stuff!

Do you have any boots, Stacey? What are they for?

Hiking boots, dress boots and those leather/chain thigh boots (for the weekends!)

Ahhh, I get it now!

*smile*

Whoa there, you all! I see a thread I can comment on and by the time I get to the bottom you've almost changed the subject - although those thigh-highs are still on topic...I think. MY favorite boots are Vancouver-made Daytons. The vamp is slanted forward to fit your leg in the riding position which makes for slightly awkward walking until you get used to it. It took awhile for the thick leather to break in, but now the boots are the most comfortable I've ever had. I paid a lot for them, almost $300 Can. ut they'll probably outlast me. Re floorboards - my old XS11 came with same and it was my first experience with a heel-toe shifter. While I loved the shifting I grew to hate the boards themselves. Always in the way when paddling the bike around....and when I dropped the bike a few times those floorboards are the first thing to hit your foot and break toes. Ask me how I know this. That's why I bought the Daytons.

I agree Kathryn--those floorboards can do a number on your foot if the bike tips over. Every solution breeds new problems

Well I just got a new catalog from http://www.sportsmansguide.com They list the plain German officers' boots I wear, now with a pebbled finish, for $19.97! If you want plain indestructible black that can be worn unobtrusively (in those "concealed interest" situations) please, check 'em out. 14", flat hard rubber sole with grooves. They work for me. 1-800-888-5222

14"? Hmm...really should check it out! Very hard to get shoes my size (how wide is it?)

Frank, how are they in the cold and wet conditions? My ten little HOGs need winter comfort!

In the cold I wear hunting socks, no problem. Had 'em in the rain once with no problem whatsoever, they're made for the field, but I melted wax into the seams twice just for sure. My engineer boots were toe-drafty until I did the same to them.

For your feet try this, use two pairs of socks, inside next to skin use a pair of "silk socks", then cover them with nice thick "wool socks", (not cotton) and with good leather motorcycle boots (ie: no tie ups as wind can get in thru the shoe string holes), you will be quite surprized with how warm your feet stay! Tailwinds, BJ OBTW, what's the opinon on the best brand of long underwear, these cotton wal-mart specials are only so good even under full leather pants in 30 degree and less winter riding?? Comments? Tailwinds, BJ

LOL. I've never seen "OBTW" before. That's pretty funny.

For comfort with more warm than you'd really expect silk long underwear beats the KMart/Sears cotton weave stuff. Available in camping outlets & outdoor equipment places about $40 a pair. They last long and the comfort is great.

Frank is right. I think silk is just soooooo special, don't you? hehehe

Well Yeth.... Uh, I mean YES! hehehe

Hey, what self-respecting tough biker is going to run around with silk underwear? Geez. What next, lace? ;-)

First, you don't go and announce it as you're ordering up the next round. Second, IT WORKS.

Yes, Yes, Yes! ;-)

That is DEFINITELY one suggestion I am NOT gonna try! I'd BOIL!

Instead of long underwear, try Lycra running tights...less expensive than silk and works well; wicks moisture away (if there is any!). The key to any cold weather stuff is layering your clothing. I spent a total of 22 months in the Antarctic, including a winter over; consider myself somewhat of an expert in cold weather matters...instead of leather pants over long underwear, over your undergarment wear pants, then chaps over those. Three layers is better than two..it is the trapped air that insulat s. I ride year round, even on those 20 degree days, provided that the roads are dry...I base everything on 3 layers (not necessarily heavy)...the only thing that gets uncomfortable is my face, because I am not a fan of full face helmets. I do wear a balaclava on those coldest days for my face, but it isn't quite the same as 3 layers. Ed

Wow Ed! "Expert"? More like "god" of cold weather! Curious as to what got you to the Antarctic region. I've found 3 layers works also, but not for too long. Maybe its my lack of body fat or just plain stamina. My knees & hands always feel it after about 60 miles.

I agree, Ed. Back in Texas I rode year round. The coldest was a 14 degree day. I hadn't quite perfected the art of insulation, though, and was pretty dang chilly. I remember leaning over and putting my gloves on my Nighthawk's cylinder walls to try to keep them warm....

I spent most of my riding years in Nebraska.... That is about as close to the Artic Circle as you get next to North Dakota IMHO.... I rode as close to year around as possible (The Streets had to be dry so I could see the gravel) Layering is the only way to go. Bicycle Stretchies first, something knit second, and a GOOD WARM closed cell fabric (leather) jacket/ close stitched nylon snowmobile suit last.... Helmet is a must with some protection for the ears, and the warmest pair of GoreTex gloves you can g t your hands on... The looks you get are priceless... hehehe

Shane, nice page, nice bike, attractive lady! Maybe AOL *can* help with homepages!

Okay, first off, AOL Sucks. But it was a place to start, that page was published with their publisher which I think sucks as bad as they do... I am working on another page while I play with that one that I will eventually put somewhere... Thanks for the Thumbs up on the Bike and The Lady, they both seem to not mind putting up with my DELETED.... Well, for the most part anyway.... Shane

Thanks guys, I will try the silks, ever try to find XXXL bicycle shorts?? I figure if some guy is looking up my pant leg under the black leather for my silks, Iam gona put a knot in that boys head anyway, ha ha! BJ

Hey, I probably shouldn't mention it, but I can't delete messages any more. I can only delete entire conferences.....

No, but I guess that's a catch 22. You might not *need* XXXL anything if you could only get out and ride the bike more..... ;-)

Re. deletion: Terry has the power to delete a user, and in so doing to delete every post he has ever submitted. This was why I was initially reluctant to join, because the rules said that this would happen at the first infringement, and I know that I came close to the edge at XRoads once, and that these rules appeared even stricter than Jon's! But it's the only game in town (until XRoads III comes along; any word, Jon?), so I'm here!

I don't remember you ever getting close to the edge. But oh well--I'd never want to lose you Sam. This place would probably shrivel up and die. And Terry is very mellow--I don't think you have anything to fear (unless you're someone like JSun).

As for XRoads III, talk to Kevin.

I'd very much like to talk to K, especially so if he's planning to restart XRoads! But he's not around here! I'll send him an e-mail (and hope that I've got the correct address!

Yeah, I wonder what happened to Special K?

Frank, I was part of the USN Operation Deep Freeze program. I volunteered to winter over...was assigned to McMurdo Station on Ross Island...stayed there frm September 73 to October 74 the first time. I went down for a couple of more summer seasons...learned lots about cold weather operations and dressing for it. Sure did miss my motorcycling, and snowmobiles are not quite as good. Ed

I'm gonna try to ride my newly purchased Harley this weekend and I'm gathering up the necessary stuff for winter riding. Saw something interesting at the Harley dealer the other day that I thought I may prefer over heavy gloves. It was some mitten-like thing attached to the handlebars and may have been electrically heated. They wrap around the brake / clutch leavers and it appeared you just slide your bare hands into them. Looked like they would be warm and snug. Anybody used these things? What do you thi k about them?

I used 'em briefly (or something very like them) on my BMW back when. They positively do work! Ugly but very functional.

Very Functional Item... Snowmobilers use them religiously... Beware or electrical heat attachments on your bike... They are not as reliable and can actually overheat and short out.... Have a GREAT first time out.....

They can also drain your battery, particularly when riding with lights on and lots of cold starts with short runs

As reported on Motorcycle Online: Harley-Davidson Reaches Footwear Pact Rockford, Michigan-based shoe manufacturer Wolverine World Wide Inc., said Tuesday it has reached a five-year agreement with Harley-Davidson Motor Co. for the rights to manufacture Harley-Davidson branded boots and footwear. Wolverine said in a news release the deal is effective starting January 1, 1998. Wolverine intends to initially market the Harley footwear in the U.S., Canada, Central and South America.

Hmm. I wear Wolverines. Looks like I have something in common with HD now. What the heck--comfort is comfort.

I just bought a pair of GBX boots. They go up about 15 inches and have not leaked much when I was riding in the rain. They have four tension buckles on one sied and a full zipper on the other. I've walked and ridden all day in them and they are great.

Does it take a while to break them in?