Experts (or not!) on The Spring!

NOT! There's no need to ask again!

Far be it for me to decide how many copies of a topic that Yapp should open.....I've already suggested that terry delete this one :)

Does this mean that you're just an amateur, stacey?

Hmmmm. Loaded question. I prefer to view it as, I always like more practice!

Always willing to further your education, is that it?

In the name of exploration... of course!

Spelunking?

screwing around inside a cave. Well, not exactly screwing around...

More like exploring all the nooks and crannies...

How does one scribble a posted response on the Spring?

In telnet I think it's hide

Apparently I have no telnet access.

OK, does anyone know who the host of the "drool" conference is? I opened a new topic there a couple of days ago, and it seems to have been deleted, with no reason given...I'm entirely unimpressed, as you may imagine :/

Check with Nan.

(Mike) OK, does anyone know who the host of the "drool" conference is? That's me ;-) I opened a new topic there a couple of days ago, and it seems to have been deleted, with no reason given...I'm entirely unimpressed, as you may imagine :/ Yes, I imagine so. Sorry, Mike--I haven't retired a topic since November. Though, I'm not the only one who can retire or kill topics ar drool. Also, we've been having some strange technical problems the last month or so. Who knows? I didn't even see your topic. What was it? Something juicy, I hope ;-) BTW, I almost never get out of drool so if you need to find me you should post something there--the "Help" board is probably the best bet.

Hehehe....nothing juicy, i'm afraid, it was just an announcement that I was going to ask you to instantly freeze :) Other people can kill/retire topics in drool? Are you the only host or are there others?

No new sex scandal? Nothing juicy? Too bad.

Heee....request for bios, actually, but there you go :)

Mike, I removed the request for bios topic on the Drool Conference as it seemed to me to be an excessively intrusive request, especially without checking first with the conference host. I hardly think you should be put out at having a topic removed without your knowledge as you seemed to feel free to add it without the knowledge of the host.

Well, to be perfectly honest, I believe I am free to open a topic wherever I damn well like! If everyone here sought the agreement of the conference host before they opened a topic then we'd be screwed, seeing as the name of the host is not shown anywhere in the Conference main page. The fact that the topic was opened also with the good of the entire Spring community in mind makes this doubly offensive. The Spring is not run exclusively for the good of drool conference members.

(Mike) Hehehe....nothing juicy, i'm afraid, it was just an announcement that I was going to ask you to instantly freeze :) Hmmm... Other people can kill/retire topics in drool? Are you the only host or are there others? Technically, I'm the only host. However, I requested that my predecessors retain their host privileges. It never hurts to have an extra set of eyes helping you out and we are always of one mind. How many people can you say that about? (Terry)No new sex scandal? Nothing juicy? Too bad. See? Terry knows me...;-) (Mike) Heee....request for bios, actually, but there you go :) Aaah, now I see why Myretta deleted it. I probably would have as well, had I seen it first. Truth is, Mike...drool is one of those places where half the contributors don't even use their real names. I don't think you'd have gotten a response from anyone.

christ! so what? no one compels anyone to respond to anything... and regardless, rudeness is rudeness... and to delete someone's topic- especially one as innocuous and well-meaning as this one- was manifestly rude... (not to mention the fact that the request was entirely a matter of individual choice!)

I'm going to liassez faire with this one, except to say that drool is it's own little island universe on the spring, almost like another country. And they basically promulgate their own groundrules and I try and stay out of the way. In general, in the mainstream conferences on the Spring, I work hard to not delete topics, I might send someone a gentle urging to create it in the right conference if it looks like it's not related to the overall conference. I appreciate Mike's effort to help us get to know each other and I appreciate Nan's efforts to serve her little community of droolers. Hopefully, the twain will meet somewhere or maybe it won't. I think we can still all get along. My gosh, we've almost got a real, down to earth "thrash" on the mild, innocuous spring!

Mike, my name and e-mail ability is in the food conference header, as per your request... Myretta, if a host doesn't want anyone to open new conferences, they should change it with their hostly powers, not take it out on posters, we need to keep the traffic around here, not run it off... Nick, not as eloquent as usual, but nonetheless valid observantions... Terry, I tried to keep out, also, seems I couldn't...Maybe if drool is its own little island universe, it should have different access points so those that are unwanted don't wander in by accident...

(god forbid... might wind up firth-ed to death- by accident, of course)

WER - thanks. I've updated the header in the Farrawae conference too. Terry, as for Drool being its own little island universe, perhaps they should shut themselves off if that's what they want? I for one have no interest in seeing the five previous posts on the Conference Main Page being taken up with Colin Firth. Perhaps, even, they should disappear to their own mailing list - that way they could even regulate who could read, let alone post! Myretta, I'm rather saddened by the fact that you deleted the topic. The fact that you didn't feel the topic was worthwhile does not mean other members of Drool would have felt the same. In my opinion, the Host who does not encourage the development of new topics and ideas is no Host at all. Maybe you should take some time to think about it.

I have to agree with you guys, it's a matter of choice whether or not to respond to a new topic. No response means no interest. Myretta, really feel that you owed Mike a warning or something. Besides, there is a button to help any of us create a topic that we think would be interesting. And if Drool is it's own private world, then it shouldn't be open to the rest of us to meddle in, seeing as how we're unwanted there in the first place. Surprised my duchovny topic wasn't taken off the air.

(nick) christ! so what? no one compels anyone to respond to anything... and regardless, rudeness is rudeness... Indeed it is. And at the risk of sounding as childish as the rest of you...Mike started it with his �I�m not impressed� remark. (Terry) I'm going to liassez faire with this one, except to say that drool is it's own little island universe on the spring, almost like another country. Actually, yes it is. I think you really have to understand that the ladies who participate at drool are here for that reason only. It�s nothing personal, that�s just the way it is. We rarely talk about our personal lives and most of us have no idea what the others do for a living or where they reside. Feeling that public boards are not the place to have private discussions, we save those conversations for email. Sorry if it offends you. (Terry) My gosh, we've almost got a real, down to earth "thrash" on the mild, innocuous spring! Oh this is nothing, Terry. You should see when the girls get going. Myretta, if a host doesn't want anyone to open new conferences, they should change it with their hostly powers, not take it out on posters, If you have a problem with the way the drool conference is being handled, please direct your comments to me. Also, I have repeatedly tried to change the option on my host board. However, the changes are never accepted. So, Terry, if you please--could you change the option to �must be a host of the conference�? I wish to avoid similar problems in the future...if there is a future that is. we need to keep the traffic around here, not run it off... Forgive me, but drool was dead until I got here and I have spent the better part of 4 months emailing everyone I could think of to get bodies in there. It is now one of the most popular conferences. The only people I drive away are those who shouldn�t be there...children, etc. Maybe if drool is its own little island universe, it should have different access points so those that are unwanted don't wander in by accident... I want to be perfectly clear, it�s not that Mike or you or anyone else is not wanted. If you guys want to come in and drool over Kevin Costner, well that works for me. It�s that the topic had nothing to do with drooling of any kind. I think it very unfair that those of you who don�t know me are forming opinions about me (or Myretta) because of the way I choose to run a conference in which you do not participate. I deal with enough as is, I don�t need it from you. (Mike)Terry, as for Drool being its own little island universe, perhaps they should shut themselves off if that's what they want? You know something Mike, that�s the first thing you�ve said with which I agree. I was thinking that perhaps I should move drool somewhere else since it is not �contributing to the good of the Spring�. Let�s forget the number of hits it generates. BTW Mike, I don�t think that antagonizing other posters is doing anything good for the �community� either. I for one have no interest in seeing the five previous posts on the Conference Main Page being taken up with Colin Firth. This does not surprise me. The conference header very clearly states that it�s a place for women. If you don�t like it, don�t look. In my opinion, the Host who does not encourage the development of new topics and ideas is no Host at all. And in my opinion, it is rude to start a topic without checking with the host. I am easy enough to find if you were really interesting in looking. I would never do it in your conference, especially if it had no relationship to anything else on the boards. I encourage the development of topics which are related to the conference in general--everything else goes. That�s my rule. Terry has repeatedly told me that I should do whatever I feel is best. Out of respect for him, I have left topics that he tarted which have not shown movement for almost a year, because I felt it was the right thing to do. Tell you what guys, I�ll take care of the ladies drool and you take care of everything else.

(Wolf)And if Drool is it's own private world, then it shouldn't be open to the rest of us to meddle in, seeing as how we're unwanted there in the first place. Surprised my duchovny topic wasn't taken off the air. Thanks for fanning the flames. You've been most helpful.

(sigh) certainly don't want to belabor this (already been done, it seems)... but the fact is mike's harmless comment about "not being impressed" (for which, if i remember, you said you didn't blame him) after his topic was summarily deleted was hardly justification for the explanation (retort) he received in response... objectively, you surely know he meant no harm whatsoever, and if you've paid any attention at all you know he worked damned hard getting the bio's thing together, purely for the benefit of enhancing the spring (just, apparently, as you have done by resuscitating drool... so your interests should complement each other, after all, right?)... c'mon, don't you think, especially under these circumstances, that perhaps a little tact was in order? and i don't think anyone bears any ill will toward you droolers... no need to initiate division of property proceedings or anything... it's not like we wander in to your conference, razing and burning (at least not on a regular basis)... and it bears mentioning that mike made his (innocent, i thought) comment in this conference, on his own "turf", so to speak... and it certainly wasn't made, i'm sure you'll concur, with the intention of starting a civil war (and myretta started that, anyway... and what ever happened to the idea of a history conference, incidentally?)... anyway, like mlk posed... "where do we go from here- chaos or community?"... (promise, my mouth's shut now...)

Nan, no offense to or with you, I was simply responding to the person who made the comment... and, yes, I formed an opinion on someone based on one post made in a very public conference, my bad, just as the rest here have formed some that are not necessarily correct...(or necessarily incorrect, for that matter...) and, I compliment you on the traffic that you have generated, that does serve to further the Spring, as would having them visit other conferences, and just as on-line bios have historically helped other boards (and, yes, I do realize that there is probably no proof that not having them is a detriment...) and, opinions are great, as is voicing them...that is the purpose of all of this, right? As is some antagonizing, especially if it furthers the discussion... and this, btw, has furthered quite a bit... (Nick and Wolf, maybe we should get the porch conference on the War of Words webring, now...)

I'll try and fix the problem you mentioned about hosts opening topics. That's how you want and I want to facilitate. And I surely like it that you're here in your own happy little island world, drooling over the greatest hunks of the world.

Let me try to explain some things about myself and drool so that we may move on: I feel quite certain that Mike only meant to do what was best for Spring. I can appreciate the time he�s devoted to the bios. In fact, I�m rather surprised that we haven�t met before. I would not have seen Mike�s first message here, had I not been directed to it by Terry. Poor thing, he was only trying to get some communication going. Sorry, Terry---don�t worry this too, shall pass. And the truth is Nick, I don�t pay attention to what�s going on at the rest of Spring. It�s not that I wish us to be segregated or that I have no interest. My problem is lack of time. I can just keep up with the boards I have, let alone visit others. This is why there are other people who have host privileges in my conference. Now, to understand the ladies...I don�t know how it is in other conferences, but droolers are a rather...er, volatile bunch. Little arguments (for lack of a better word) are commonplace there. Nothing like a bunch of opinionated women all drooling over the same man to cause a stir. I spend a good portion of my time putting out little fires, smoothing over differences and emailing the women who are still pouting over their bruised feelings. Come to think of it, drool would probably be a very interesting su ject for someone doing a psychological study of cyber communities. We�ve also had a series of strange technical difficulties--boards vanishing (no mention in the logs, nothing), posting problems, boards not showing new messages, etc. I tend to be very protective of the ladies--because there is a certain stigma attached to spending your off-hours talking about pretty men. I agree, it�s not rocket science, but it�s not intended to be either. Drool is about sheer nonsense...silliness for the sake of it. This is why we tend to stay to ourselves, because (right or wrong) many of us feel our discussions are looked down upon by the more serious people in other communities (not necessarily those in Spring). Many use pseudonyms and many never ell their �real life� friends about it. While I have no shame about drooling, some consider it a dirty little secret. In terms of all the things said here in the last 24 hours, yes...I�d be very happy to come to a mutual understanding. This rather verbose post will, hopefully, allow you to understand something about me and the rest of the ladies who drool. Myretta is a very dear friend of mine, as Mike clearly is to you. After reading Mike�s first post and knowing I never visit this conference, I imagine Myretta felt that he was talking about me behind my back...so she was defending me. After Myretta�s reply, all of you attacked her, hence my last reply. So now, we�re just going around in circles, wasting time and space. Despite any problems, I enjoy the drool conference and want to continue it as long as there�s someone to drool over. It�s a great stress reliever and the ladies really are quite terrific. If you really want to get to know them better, that�s great. If you can get them to visit other conferences, more power to you. The truth is, I don�t think most of them realize there is anything else at Spring except drool, that�s how single minded they are. I�m not trying to be difficult here, just realistic...I eally don�t think that a bios board would be successful there. It makes me wild when a topic is started, then dies quickly--one of my pet peeves. So, rather than a bio board, I propose that I start a general Spring topic. Where you (or anyone else) can post about what�s going on in the rest of the community, try to get people involved, get their bios if you can, etc. Will that help you at all?

(Terry) I'll try and fix the problem you mentioned about hosts opening topics.That's how you want and I want to facilitate. Thanks Terry. While you're at it, perhaps you can figure out why I can't change anything on the host's page. None of the changes is ever accepted. As you know, I change the main page photo every so often, but I can't do it by changing the header at the host's page. Right now we have it set up in a rather clunky, but usable, fashion. And I surely like it that you're here in your own happy little island world, drooling over the greatest hunks of the world. You and me both, m'dear.

Well, that's certainly generated a goodly number of posts. I can't reply to every point because scrolling up and down the screen at 1a.m. is doing my eyes in :) A few things that pop up, though: I am actually intrigued by the popularity of Drool, and had considered opening a topic in Drool, in here, or on The WELL about the social implications of a "safe-place" for women to air (for want of a better term) "drooling". Also, Nancy, I feel that perhaps your speaking for the collectively for all members of Drool is a little off the mark. I accept, of course, that you know them all much better than I am ever likely to, but to simply cut off a topic because you don't think it is interesting is (how shall I phrase this..?) "not quite in the spirit of things" (there :) However, I would like to re-open the topic again, simply because on-line bios are a Spring-wide phenomenon and I would like to share this fact with ar uably the biggest conference on Spring at present. As for opening topics without asking the host, I suggest that you make this VERY CLEAR in the conference header (along with your name and e-mail contact etc.). It is obvious that different conferences develop different social contracts within themselves, but to keep these contracts entirely "unwritten" and then castigate publicly those who accidentally transgress them is (and again...) "not quite in the spirit of things". nan: and knowing I never visit this conference well, with Porch being the starting point for the Spring, and you being a conference host, perhaps you should drop in a little more often...? Finally, (in what has pretty much become a response so far just to Nan :) bios are eventually going to be much more integrated into Spring, so there won't be any need for me to go out and trawl conferences to tell people about it (kind of like being an evangelist, but that's another story...:) Now a little history of what is quickly becoming a famous Spring topic :) Popping up the conference index and selecting Drool was (and I'm not ashamed to admit it) a physically nerve-wracking experience. I pondered long and hard over whether to enter the topic, and scrolled up and down the list of topics many times trying to work out the host. I had thought it might be Amy, since she had many, many topics opened with her name. "But what the hey,", I thought, it's only a topic after all, so I entered it - KABLOOM! Sorry about the length of that one :)

Also, Nancy, I feel that perhaps your speaking for the collectively for all members of Drool is a little off the mark. Can�t say I agree with that. I accept, of course, that you know them all much better than I am ever likely to, but to simply cut off a topic because you don't think it is interesting is (how shall I phrase this..?) "not quite in the spirit of things" (there :) Very diplomatic, Michael. Well done. However, I didn�t say the topic wasn�t interesting, just that it had nothing to do with drool. I think I�m missing something here so, perhaps you can explain it. What exactly is �the spirit of things�? When I first became host of drool (last Summer) I was sort of...plopped in the middle of things. I had no idea how to get people in there, no clue how the software worked...nada. Therefore, I spent all my time just trying to get it to float...then flourish. I really did �t concern myself with the rest of Spring, because I really believed that my �job� was to get the traffic in drool. Please explain, because I�m clearly unaware of what�s going on at the rest of this site. However, I would like to re-open the topic again, simply because on-line bios are a Spring-wide phenomenon and I would like to share this fact with aruably the biggest conference on Spring at present. I will start the general Spring topic, feel free to post whatever you want about bios there. But I would like to hear about the "spirit of things" first, if you don't mind. As for opening topics without asking the host, I suggest that you make this VERY CLEAR in the conference header (along with your name and e-mail contact etc.). Will do. (Mike) well, with Porch being the starting point for the Spring, and you being a conference host, perhaps you should drop in a little more often...? I�m not opposed to that idea and will drop by from time to time. Please understand that my main responsibility is to drool and those who participate in it. I am most concerned with getting and keeping the bodies in there--something which is best served at the conference itself. Popping up the conference index and selecting Drool was (and I'm not ashamed to admit it) a physically nerve-wracking experience. I guess if you�re not driven to enter (by overwhelming lust for some unattainable man) then it very well might be. I pondered long and hard over whether to enter the topic, and scrolled up and down the list of topics many times trying to work out the host. I had thought it might be Amy, Actually, Amy would have been a good choice as she would have forwarded the message, but no matter. since she had many, many topics opened with her name. "But what the hey,", I thought, it's only a topic after all, so I entered it - KABLOOM! That�s a good point, it�s not that important in the whole grand scheme of things. Myretta killed the topic, not your dog ;-) If I may ask...why didn�t you just ask Terry who the host was? It appears that you and I are working from a similar viewpoint: You think it was presumptuous of us to remove a topic without telling you and I think it was presumptuous of you to start an unrelated topic in a conference that I�ve worked very hard to build. So there, we�re even ;-) Sorry about the length of that one :) Geez, you thought that was long? You�d lose your mind at drool...the girls can talk.

(whew!) (and we did it without the u.n.)...

Hey, if it's too physically nerve wracking, you can always check into the 'babes' conference. It's a guy type thing.

hmmmm... sounds like it needs a "natalie" topic...

(Terry) you can always check into the 'babes' conference. It's a guy type thing. Aah, so you did start the "babes" conference. Do you want to move Bullock and Hooks over there? While I'm at it, would you like me to say something in the Drool header about Babes--a link or something, so that men who are lost won't run away? (After discovering the big scary Colin photo, that is ;-p)

Hey, I loved your conference header... in fact, it has inspired me to enhance the food conference...

Sure, we could do that. I'll move those over and email you when it's done. That way the guys coming to drool can have their outlet too.

My opinion follows: The "spirit of things", Nan, is to build up, not put down. To encourage, rather than discourage. To work to produce something better, rather than simply culling what is not perfect. Also, the "spirit of things" is that we are all a part of "it", whatever "it" happens to be. If "it" happens to be the Spring, then I, you and we collectively are all part of "it", whichever conference(s) we hang out in. Co-operation, complementation, agreement and forward-looking actions are all part of the "spirit". Ha I been e-mailed by you or Myretta or whoever about the topic, mentioning that perhaps it was not quite right, but perhaps including suggestions on how to make it right (like the suggestion you have put forward yourself now), then this somehow would have been "in the spirit". The "spirit" is not to cut down but to build up. Also, the "spirit" is that here we are all equal. We are removed from a normal heirachy by the fact that our only medium of exchange is textual, in the same font, with the same headers. And in that equality, we are all free to make our own decisions as to what is worthy and what is not - there is no place for over-bearing authority, and decisions for the many decided by the few; neither here, nor on the net in general. A very obvious example is ARPANet, the earliest form of the internet that both you and I now use. It was developed as an academic/military system for nuclear scenarios etc., but alongside it grew the message list "SF LOVERS". And from that very list grew what you and I are using now. Without the foresight (or oversight, delete relevant to your cynicism :) of those in charge to leave a completely irrelevant use of America's most advanced tool in place, we would now have a militarised/commercialised/auth ritarian net, rather than the anarchic freedom which we still enjoy. This freedom is being encroached left, right and centre by Capitol Hill, and the last thing we need is for a replication of that sort of thing here. A simple fact, that I am not willing to concede under any circumstances whatsoever, is that you are not qualified to speak for everyone in Drool, just as the Senate isn't qualified to speak for American/Worldwide netizens. Period. ...end of opinion. One thing I'm concerned about, Nan, is your view that because you built Drool up from nothing/very little, that in some way you "own" it. Did you not build Drool up for the good of the Spring in general, or was it a tool for building up self-esteem? If it was the latter, then there is no room for that kind of attitude to do anything but go rotten. There are only two ways to gain recognition in a virtual community: 1) do something totally amazing, preferably in a non-virtual context; 2) abuse one's powe . Otherwise one may as well just forget recognition for anything but one's way with words.

enough, the "thrash" is over, compromises were made, that's it... (and, yes, I may very well be overbearing and "outside" my authority but, whatcha gonna do, fire me?)

true enough, WER, the thrash is over (and I do *love* that word :), but Nan asked me what "the spirit" was, so I thought I'd let her know. But, as you say, enough. Back to a silent porch conf.

Nope, not silent, just other stuff... Okay, how do I get/put images in the yapp-icons directory?

Just put 'em in your own user directory and link to them there. If you need anymore help on linking, let me know.

wow! I was only gone for a week (or two?) and I missed all the good stuff!!

fifteen days, Stacey... (not that I was counting...) That will work with the background gifs? Do I need to replicate the navigation buttons in order to define the new gif directory? Sorry, I should've been more explicit. (ooh, a new first for me here, I wasn't explicit enough...)

oooo, you're using explicit (twice), rather dangerous there, wer! *giggle*

maybe there should be a philosophy topic for Using vs. Being...

now that would be interesting! (hi wer)

hey, sweetie! how ya been? Where ya wanna go?

am doin'...you? dunno, where ya wanna take us?

same, I guess? trust me to drive, do you?

aw, maybe we oughta just walk

can we skip?

sure! where'd ya feel like goin'?

don't care... can we sing the smurf song, too? (you decide while I step outside for a cigarette...)

la la lalalala la lalala

la (forgot that last note)

actually, wolfsie, gotta run-- lotsa lightning in the area, looks like we're getting your storm... thanks for hanging around for a bit, and e-mail me if'n ya wants, I'll "talk" to you somehow tomorrow

k! we just found out the storms is on its way. hope it doesn't hit too bad.....

me, too... sweet dreams!

March comin' in like a lambie pie.

not in Colorado (the new windy city... without all the politicians!)

same here, windy as all get out....

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hahahahhahah :))))) *amusement* :)

Mike, did you ever get hooked up with the guy who wants to trade scripts?

I got the e-mail, and to be honest I haven't had time. However, I was thinking about it today, so I will dig the e-mail out and get in touch with him.

More from him last night, to be forwarded to you.

Sounds like a good trade to me. I am doing a CGI project for the Exploratorium in San Francisco on a volunteer basis and that is why I need the test space. I don't have years of experience doing this, but there are some prewritten CGI libraries available that allow a developer to write a CGI script that will put up the HTML form and collect the data. At this point I would have to say that I could probably write the part that put up the HTML and collected the data. So, in that regard, let me take a stab at what I think you might mean. Name: Email: What you do in real life: Favorite sites on the web: Other interests, and miscellaneous biographical information: Other or different fields that you have in mind: A couple of areas that I am going to have to do some research on, or get ideas about: If there are variables that I can access for the visitor's email address, or am I going to have to make them enter it by hand. How to link the information I collect to the visitor's alias. Maybe the people at the Well would be willing to part with some secrets in that regard. Anyway, I think it would be fun to be involved in writing the CGI script for this, and if the library I mentioned is loaded, or could be loaded, on the server, I don't think it would be too much work to get to the point of having the form displayed and collecting the information. Let me know what fields and other form elements you think should be in there. I will follow up with some questions for Terry. Regards, Bill

yup, got that and replied. Looks like it shouldn't be too long before we have something working in beta!

Hey, Terry/Paul, or should that be Paul/Terry? Anyway, can different conferences use different templates? Gotta idea ands I need to know...

Yep, two different conferences can have their own customizations.

explain further...as Babes host it would be cool to know what's possible etc.

Have you played around with the text entry boxes for hosts on the web. And there's a whole host manual waiting for you on http://www.armidalesoftware.com

Sorry, Terry, but none of the links on the documentation page work, or at least not from my house on AOL...

their Yapp system is down at the moment, also... you oughta tell them to change your link to spring.net, too...

Them and 2500 other websites!

yep...

Finally got onto their message boards, but the documentation links still no worky...

And, did you know, the latest responses links on main here all take you back to spring.com instead of staying on spring.net?

I'm going to have to do a massive grep and replace soon.

Soon as in today or tomorrow. We're just going to go in and grep and replace *very* instance of spring.com to spring.net. So if you read this in a couple of days spring.com should read spring.net. It won't make sense in posts where there are references to spring.com as the old system. But it's a small sacrifice to make in saving all our links and absolute references.

got it. (like a bunch of our old posts make sense anyway...)

*lol* :))) It's mainly you and someone else flirting, WER :)

nonono... others did their fair share, also... besides, near as I can tell, Stacey and I have been pretty much equal opportunity, it is just, um, well, we play good together...

speaking of others doing 'their fair share'... where's Wolf? and yes, WER, I like to play!

She's back, actually, e-mailed me yesterday... (I know, and I usually either play to win or forget that I'm playing...)

(or just spectate if I know I'm really, really bad at that game)

I'd rather jump in with both feet and keep working til I get good at the game than admit I have no skills in that area.

Bet you don't...

have skills in that area???

no, always jump right in...

(pass)

thought so...

hey austin folks..... anyone know of a place around where we can buy some really big electric fans? my church (the san fernando cathedral) in san antonio is looking to buy some to augment the AC during these very hot summer days. we are looking for the ones that are big and round and stand up on a pedestal. thanks for any info!

Call John Hoberman at Tejas Restaurant Equipment. John's a rich, old hippie with a lot of "stuff" around. An ex Farmie.

444-3669 in Austin 2413 Thornton Rd (near S Lamar and Oltorf).

thanks terry!

john hoberman's a hippie- farmie type? (my god)

And very successful.

Probably BECAUSE he's a hippie-farmie type. That's like a liberal farmer, right? And how often does one get to meet one of those?

ok, who's john hoberman?????

beats me too