Caro Bingley or Caro Darcy? (Was Husband: Bingley or Darcy?)
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~Amy
Thu, Mar 6, 1997 (07:15)
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Response 119 of 125: Amy Wolf (amy2) * Mon, Mar 3, 1997 (15:31) * 1 lines
Yes, they dealt pretty successfully with the reality of Lydia's "infamous elopement" and the unpleasant attributes of many of their intimates -- Mrs. Bennet, Sir William Lucas, Mr. Collins, Lady C., etc. But with one partner so naturally high-spirited and prone to satirizing everything, and the other basically "grave & serious", WILL THEY be able to get along on a daily basis? Or will they get on each other's nerves? I do wonder. . .
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Response 120 of 125: Sharon (sld) * Mon, Mar 3, 1997 (23:45) * 3 lines
I don't think Elizabeth will get on Darcy's nerves. He seems to me, in his being so drawn to her for instance, to WISH to be around someone more outgoing and witty. That does not mean that he will ever be that way himself, but some of us do not need or wish to be around someone just like ourselves. I certainly do not think the Elizabeth/Darcy combination is in anyway incompatible.
If anyone of the two is likely to get on anyone's nerves, it is more likely that Darcy will get on Elizabeth's. But we know that she is of a disposition to be very accepting of people the way they are overall. I am sure there would have been times when Jane got on her nerves, and certainly her mother and younger sisters did. But this never caused her general discontentment.
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Response 121 of 125: Amy Wolf (amy2) * Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (10:54) * 1 lines
I'm thinking of instances were Darcy wishes to be serious, and Lizzie might be making light of a subject he thinks is "inappropriate." Just grasping here. . .
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Response 122 of 125: Inko (Inko) * Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (15:13) * 4 lines
Amy2:I'm thinking of instances were Darcy wishes to be serious, and Lizzie might be making light of a subject he thinks is "inappropriate." Just grasping here. . .
Lizzie had a very strong instinct for what is serious and what isn't; she noticed all her family's improprieties when they occurred, though she might not have given them so much weight at Darcy did, since she was used to them. Also, she knew exactly what Lydia's elopement meant for her family. I don't think Darcy would ever have any complaint about her being inappropriately frivolous!
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Topic 83 of 216 [austen]: Husband: Bingley or Darcy?
Response 123 of 125: Sharon (sld) * Tue, Mar 4, 1997 (20:15) * 4 lines
I'm thinking of instances were Darcy wishes to be serious, and Lizzie might be making light of a subject he thinks is "inappropriate." Just grasping here.
Well, did she show herself to be annoying in the book - make light of something when another person was in ill humor and in to mood for it? This all goes to judgment and maturity, I think.
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Topic 83 of 216 [austen]: Husband: Bingley or Darcy?
Response 124 of 125: Amy Wolf (amy2) * Wed, Mar 5, 1997 (10:49) * 2 lines
In her relationship with Darcy, I think their differing feelings contributed to this. When they talk about the nature of evil at Netherfield, he's quite serious & uncomfortable; she really doesn't care, because "she's never desired his good opinion." Likewise, at Rosings, I think he's seriously trying to determine if "50 miles of good road" is too long a distance to be settled from her family -- he's quite serious & worried about the subject; she couldn't care less, and only applies it to her friend Cha
lotte. Not that I fault her for this: it's just that he's coming from the P.O.V. of a man in love; she, of a woman who can't stand him.
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Response 125 of 125: Inko (Inko) * Wed, Mar 5, 1997 (15:46) * 3 lines
Also, Amy, at Rosings Lizzie is thinking of Jane and Bingley (at Netherfield) being too close to Longbourne. She had no idea that Darcy had designs on her; she couldn't stand him and thought he felt the same way about her.
At Netherfield, I think she was just trying to prick some holes in his "pride" which everyone had noticed at the first assembly.
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~Anne3
Thu, Mar 6, 1997 (20:06)
#1
Well, I am slow tonight. When I saw the name of this new topic, I thought, good lord, are we still talking about whether Darcy would have married Caroline if he and Lizzy hadn't gotten together? Took me a few minutes to realize that Mrs. Elton had started this thread, using Amy's name.
~elder
Thu, Mar 6, 1997 (20:23)
#2
Anne3, I am slower than you, since I had to read your message before I did get it. Too punny!
~Mari
Fri, Mar 7, 1997 (13:34)
#3
are we still talking about whether Darcy would have married Caroline
if he and Lizzy hadn't gotten together? Took me a few minutes to realize that Mrs. Elton had started this thread, using Amy's name.
Anne3 - me too! And LOL for the Mrs. Elton part.
~angelaw
Sat, Mar 8, 1997 (23:42)
#4
It would appear that I am the slowest one thus far. Even after reading your three posts, I'm still in the dark about the pun in the title. Anyone care to explain before we continue this discussion?
TIA,
Angela
~Cheryl
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (01:17)
#5
Angela: It would appear that I am the slowest one thus far. Even after reading your three posts, I'm still in the dark about the pun in the title. Anyone care to explain before we continue this discussion?
It's not exactly a pun, Angela. It's making sport of Mrs. Elton in Emma who exposed herself as a pompous, self-important twit when she refered to her husband as "My Cara Spousa" Italian for "My spouse/husband."
~kate
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (08:33)
#6
Caro/Cara means "dear one" or something like that in Italian, doesn't it?
~Anne3
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (12:57)
#7
And "Caro" is a common British diminutive of Caroline.
~Meggin
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (14:42)
#8
Thanks for asking, Angela. Now I understand, too!
~angelaw
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (18:17)
#9
Thanks for the explanation, Cheryl. :-) I would have never gotten it, unless I read Emma again or had a basic understanding of Italian. I know enough of four languages to have gotten that in any of them, but Italian just isn't one of them.
Meggin: With English as the second language I learned, I'm always willing to ask questions, esp. in a discussion as friendly as this. So, you are very welcome. :-)
Now to get this discussion back on track ...
Neither Darcy, nor Elizabeth are likely to get on the other's nerves. Although Darcy is an introvert and Elizabeth is an extravert, Darcy would occasionally want a companion to chat and discuss things with, esp. someone as intelligent and lively as she. With the introverted tendencies we see in Elizabeth, such as walking alone, or reading, I'm certain that she can find other things of interest if Darcy is in need of some privacy. Besides if she wants another companion, I'm certain Mrs. Reynolds would be a
iable to discuss things regarding the house and most likely her master, whom she has known since he was four years old. Certainly once Bingley and Jane move within thirty miles of Pemberley, Elizabeth could always visit, if she was in dire need of company. The most likely problem is that Darcy and Elizabeth will never have enough time to spend with one another. With business keeping Darcy busy and an estate full of servants and eventually children to keep Elizabeth busy, more than likely they will never h
ve all the time they wish to be together.
~Inko
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (19:56)
#10
Angela, I agree that Lizzy and Darcy will be hard pressed to find enough time together; I am also sure they will each consult the other if they ever have a problem where they need a sounding board. In the meantime, Lizzy also has Georgiana to talk and discuss with - and I'm sure Georgiana will get more lively as she comes under Lizzy's influence. A very happy marriage all around!
BTW, when I first saw the title of this topic I couldn't decide whether it referred to Mrs. Elton's "caro sposo" or Colin's Italian girlfriend!!;-)
~angelaw
Sun, Mar 9, 1997 (22:00)
#11
Good point, Inko. I never thought of Georgiana. She would be an excellent sounding board for both. The only drawback would be if she marries someone who takes her well out of Derbyshire.
~Carolineevans
Mon, Mar 10, 1997 (11:26)
#12
Mrs. Elton's "caro sposo" or Colin's Italian girlfriend!!;-)
ROFLOL!Inko,imagine the Darcy-voice, "Cara, cara,bellissima Isabella!" Almost as good as "Aimable et charmante Elisabet!"
Johanne Please say you understand what I'm trying to say here!I am SURE no-one else will!
~JohanneD
Mon, Mar 10, 1997 (12:42)
#13
Gotcha! still wish I could find who did the dubbing of Darcy
~Amy
Mon, Mar 10, 1997 (13:17)
#14
Have either of you taped the dubbed version?
~JohanneD
Mon, Mar 10, 1997 (14:04)
#15
Must say I'm guilty and shared it too...
~Serena
Tue, Mar 11, 1997 (01:06)
#16
Back to caro sposos'..
Caro Bingley would make a very generous husband from his easy going nature. He was very kind to the Wickhams and sensible enough to move away from Netherfield where connections, that could and would embarrass must have been hounding them on a regular basis.
Besides, he and Jane too would never get on each other's nerves. Jane never wanting to see the faults in others and Bingley, a pleasing personality which will neither give or take offence. Though I think Darcy would be the stronger of the two and more appealing (to me).
I wonder how Miss Bingley and Mrs Hurst must have gotten on with Jane hereon after?? It must have been a real pill to swallow.
~Carolineevans
Tue, Mar 11, 1997 (13:54)
#17
Amy, gotta admit that I have Johanne's copy, and am very reluctant to give it back. They have done an amazing job with the translation. Lady C has a marvellous raspy, smoker's voice and some lovely lines. Darcy doesn't have his Hmmm. or even the OOOOHNO! in the inn scene ( it's kind of ah, non, non!- very much more low-key, still good.) Mrs Bennet is all screechy and wonderful. Even having the commercials in a different place puts a different slant on the story.
Johanne, I'll mail it back now, since March Break is here and I have time to Breathe!
Serena, cara, apologia!No more interruptions!
~Nicole
Thu, Mar 13, 1997 (22:33)
#18
Caroline and Johanne, Yes I also thought that the dubbing was very well done, when I was watching it I got caught up in the story once again and forgot
about the dubbing. I thought that it was interesting that they kept the
word Miss in, I guess Mademoiselle is too long... Although in Valmont they
used it all the time. Oh well I'm just thinking out loud now.
~JohanneD
Fri, Mar 14, 1997 (11:28)
#19
Yes but Valmont was set in France, P&P in England, so they might have thought to use the proper tone, giving it the english feel it deserved. Glad we can shae this together.
Anyone interested in viewing it, pray do not hesitate to ask for the tape, will be glad to share it and you'll have another lucky P&P short version at the end as an added bonus :)
~Carolineevans
Fri, Mar 14, 1997 (16:31)
#20
A bonus indeed, Johanne!