Odds and Ends (Part 2)
Topic 127 · 1999 responses · archived october 2000
~KarenR
Sat, Dec 4, 1999 (12:03)
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~baine
Sat, Dec 4, 1999 (21:32)
#1
It seems I am, shall we say, inaugurating the virgin Odds and Ends II.
So first, an apology for misspelling Lidya's name back on Part I.
Second, I love Evelyn's comments "What are *we* doing? Londinium with Mariel Hemingway. *We* need some luck". Firthettes--a unified organism working together for the greater glory. All for one and one for all. Almost as uplifting as a Regency wonderbra.
Third, CF as the ingenious villain against a gay RE 007 is the only way I'd see a Bond flick. Inspired idea, but definitely lose the Madonna theme song.
~CherylB
Sun, Dec 5, 1999 (12:16)
#2
Cymbeline the Madonna theme song is easily disposed. I'm glad you liked the concept; however, RE as a gay 007 is not my original idea, but CF as his worthy adversary is.
~KJArt
Sun, Dec 5, 1999 (18:43)
#3
Why is everyone so eager to have him playing Dastards all of a sudden? Seems to me that when Wessex first reared his (gorgeous) head into our conciousness, everyone was b******g that this was beneath him!
Ah! How soon our tune changeth ....
~alyeska
Sun, Dec 5, 1999 (18:53)
#4
I would love to see him do A Man For all Seasons. I believe he would give the greatest performance of the lead that anyone has ever done, because of his uncanny ability to loose himself in any character he portrays.
I watched TEP on TNT this weekend and again wonder at what a great movie this is. I even like R.F. in it (well almost). Colin was wonderful in the part of Geoffrey. Again he said so very much without opening his mouth.
~KJArt
Sun, Dec 5, 1999 (19:16)
#5
(Lucie) I would love to see him do A Man For all Seasons.
Now you're talkin'!
~baine
Sun, Dec 5, 1999 (20:33)
#6
I never said I thought Wessex was beneath him. I can easily understand why he thinks it's more interesting to do villains. I love the scene where he grabs JF out of the dance and sticks a dagger in his throat. I adore him as Valmont; he'd seduce me much more easily than old John Malkovich any day of the week b/c he's just a French Tom Birkin with a bit more frat boy bravado and without the WWI trauma to slow him down.
I think he'd be good in AMFAS; it's sort of a mature Richard Courtois. But of course he'd be good at anything he did.
And BTW--I know this is a rhetorical question, but I'll ask it anyway--why wasn't he nominated for best supporting actor for Geoffrey Clifton?
~alyeska
Sun, Dec 5, 1999 (23:13)
#7
Why wasn't he nominated for Wessex either. I thought he certainly earned it more than Jeffrey Rush.
I loved him as Valmont too. It was the first movie that I saw him in that I reamembered him. While I was watching P&P I kept thinking that I should know that actor but he looked so different that I didn't put the two together until I started looking him up on the computer.
~CherylB
Mon, Dec 6, 1999 (16:29)
#8
It would seem that Miramax choose to push Geoffrey Rush for a best supporting actor nod because Rush already had the glamour of having been an Oscar winner for "Shine". The Oscars are incredibly political, that is in terms of Hollywood politics. Rush was also helped by the fact that he was in "Elizabeth", which was also nominated for an Oscar. He was actually better in "Elizabeth", but money talks in Hollywood, and Miramax/Disney has more clout than Grammercy.
~heide
Mon, Dec 6, 1999 (18:32)
#9
(Cymbeline) I never said I thought Wessex was beneath him.
You weren't here at the time, Cymbeline, and while I don't think any of us said "beneath" him, some of us were griping that this looked like another cuckold sixth banana role and he wouldn't have enough screen time. Luckily, it turned out much better.
(KJArt) why wasn't he nominated for best supporting actor for Geoffrey Clifton?
One of my takes on this is, I repeat, it was a sixth banana role. I don't think Geoffrey jumped out at you enough for him to get the nod ahead of Willem Dafoe or Kip whaziz name who had better billing but were not nominated either.
(Lucie) Why wasn't he nominated for Wessex either.
(CherylB) It would seem that Miramax choose to push Geoffrey Rush for a best supporting actor nod because Rush already had the glamour of having been an Oscar winner for "Shine".
Exactly.
Interesting conversation and I wouldn't mind seeing it at topic 123 since it is definitely Colin-related.
~Moon
Mon, Dec 6, 1999 (19:46)
#10
(KJArt) why wasn't he nominated for best supporting actor for Geoffrey Clifton?
(Heide), One of my takes on this is, I repeat, it was a sixth banana role. I don't think Geoffrey jumped out at you enough for him to get the nod ahead of Willem Dafoe or Kip whaziz name who had better billing but were not nominated either.
I do not know anything about sixth bananas, (although he did sing beautifully), but I beg to differ, Heide. Geoffrey was a scene stealer and in such subtle ways. Please watch TEP again.
~KJArt
Mon, Dec 6, 1999 (20:39)
#11
(KJArt) why wasn't he nominated for best supporting actor for Geoffrey Clifton?
Don't get me wrong ... I am following this discussion with intense interest, but don't ascribe the above query to me. (It was Cymbeline's).
I never wondered at it. :-)
~baine
Mon, Dec 6, 1999 (20:48)
#12
Am carrying this on over at Part 6 as per suggestion.
~heide
Tue, Dec 7, 1999 (19:05)
#13
(Moon) Please watch TEP again.
Doubt it will make me see the role in a new light but if you insist, I'll watch it again tomorrow night on TNT. What I suffer for you girls....
~lafn
Wed, Dec 8, 1999 (09:54)
#14
Thanks to Karen for this:
From Today's The Hollywood Reporter
"NEW YORK -- Paramount Classics is basking in the "Sunshine," acquiring U.S. rights to the Ralph Fiennes-topped epic from Oscar-winning Hungarian director Istvan Szabo. This week, the film won three European Film Awards for Fiennes, screenwriters Szabo and Israel Horowitz and cinematographer Lajos Koltai. The picture was also nominated Tuesday for 14 Genie Awards. "Sunshine," which premiered at this year's Toronto International Film Festival, also stars Rosemary Harris, Rachel Weisz, Jennifer Ehle, Debora
Kara Unger, Molly Parker, James Frain and William Hurt. "I think (Szabo) did an incredible job," Paramount Classics co-president Ruth Vitale said. "He covered a huge portion of history in one country, spanning three generations from 1890-1960. It's a really beautiful story about survival and love, and it's an honor to be part of it." Paramount Classics plans to release the film in late spring or summer."
~~~~~
Whooooopeeeee!!Early spring....late Summer....Who cares? We've got a distrib!!
~~~~~~
Called the National Press Office....Jennifer will not be playing Vavara...
the role will be recast. "We are v. sorry that she had a previous commitment".
Isn't this job the pits?....Either feast or famine.
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 8, 1999 (09:54)
#15
NY Times Confirms Film Critic Triumvirate
NEW YORK (Variety) - A dark horse has emerged as the winner of the final New York Times film critic spot.
A.O. "Tony" Scott, a book reviewer for Newsday's Sunday Book Review, will join current Fort Worth Star Telegram film critic Elvis Mitchell and current New York Times No. 2 film critic Stephen Holden as the replacements for Janet Maslin, who will be leaving the paper at the end of the year.
Along with Scott, Times culture editor John Darnton said the other finalists for the job were former Wall Street Journal film critic Julie Salamon; former Daily News critic David Kehr; the New Yorker's David Denby; and Daily Variety's Todd McCarthy. More than 50 critics were considered.
A newcomer to film reviewing, Scott was an editor at the New York Review of Books and a frequent contributor to the Sunday Times Book Review before joining Newsday.
The Times contacted Scott about the position a little over a month ago, after reading an essay Scott had written about Martin Scorsese which appeared in the online magazine, Slate.
Darnton said the paper was looking for, among other things, "new voices and younger people. They're writing about a medium that has instant appeal to young people."
Mitchell turned 41 Monday, the same day he was in Manhattan confirming the job. Scott is 33; Holden is 58.
Rather then having a traditional lead critic, the Times will be trying a new system: the three critics will divide assignments on a rotating basis or roughly appealing to their areas of expertise. Scott said that he will likely focus on independent and foreign films.
Darnton said hiring more critics is a response to the increase in the number of films being produced and a desire to cover more European and indie fare.
"The job is too much for just a lead critic and a second string," said Darnton. "The job should be fun. It shouldn't be a (chore)."
~EileenG
Wed, Dec 8, 1999 (12:48)
#16
Hmmm, don't see Mark's name mentioned above...
That's good news about Sunshine, Ev. Be prepared: it'll be touted as a film starring Ralph Fiennes and William Hurt :-P
~lafn
Wed, Dec 8, 1999 (15:53)
#17
(Eileen)That pic of JE and RF in the bath with the children looks interesting. Wonder if she had any better
luck igniting some sparks with him than his other recent leading ladies have;-)
You mean this one?
All a matter of opinion:-)
From the gals who saw it in Toronto...they say great chemistry.
But then I though he and KST were pretty steamy too.
~Lizza
Wed, Dec 8, 1999 (16:16)
#18
God, I can't imagine Rafey boy lighting anyone's fire, he's more of a damp
(limp?) squib!
Now Jennifer, that's a different matter entirely, she could turn a wet weekend
into a heatwave!
~baine
Wed, Dec 8, 1999 (19:55)
#19
(Lizza J) God, I can't imagine Rafey boy lighting anyone's fire, he's more of a damp (limp?) squib!
I'm with you here, and bathroom scenes don't do much for me in any case. Context and action may help, but the pic looks like some kind of strange pediatric clinic.
~lafn
Wed, Dec 8, 1999 (20:11)
#20
and bathroom scenes don't do much for me in any case.
You didn't like the bath scene in P&P?
You didn't like the bath scene in TEP?
~mari
Wed, Dec 8, 1999 (22:12)
#21
Great news about Sunshine, Evelyn--the noms and the distribution. Am really looking forward to this one. Any idea how big Jen's role is? She and her mother play the same character, right?
I really like the tub photo. In one simple shot, they have captured the joyful intimacy of family life. Beautiful. Rafe sure looks happy. I must say, I've liked him best in roles where he is not called upon to brood constantly. Quiz Show was his best, IMO, for that reason.
~KarenR
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 (08:28)
#22
This is from George Christy's column in THR and its about TEOTA:
"Greene is great on moral dilemmas, and I [Neil Jordan] wanted the movie to be as much a portrait of a writer as anything else." He cast Ralph Fiennes "to convey that disenchantment of the '40s intellectuals, a man with too much emotion and intelligence for his own good, and Ralph's huge intelligence suited the character brilliantly."
After reading the screenplay, Julianne Moore wrote Jordan a letter, asking to meet him, and Jordan says, "She blew me away ... since the role needed an overtly sexual being." He adds that Stephen Rea in the role of the cuckolded husband is "darkly moving," and Stephen reflects that "Neil's a novelist and writer, knows how to structure, and is a great narrator, his movies have that strong narrative spine. He pares emotions down to the the bare bones, which support an actor."
******
Interesting....
~terry
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 (08:44)
#23
As a special favor, will y'all please comment on the poems of Dorothy, the
newest topic in the poetry conference?
~LauraMM
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 (11:30)
#24
I generally like all of Neil Jordan's movies. I even liked In Dreams which was bizarre but interesting. Did people here get to see the pic of Mom, dad and Jane.com? I am SOOOO glad that I wasn't the only person who looked like that after giving birth. However, they look ecstatically happy and I'm happy for them. Cute little girl, for a newborn:)
~MarciaH
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 (15:52)
#25
I did, Terry. Thanks for reminding us!
~terry
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 (21:25)
#26
Thanks, it will help encourage a budding artist.
~EileenG
Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (09:18)
#27
(Mari) I must say, I've liked him best in roles where he is not called upon to brood constantly. Quiz Show was his best, IMO, for that reason.
He struck me as brooding in that one, too (brooding about cheating). Perhaps it's my memory. Will have to watch it again.
~KarenR
Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (09:33)
#28
Yippeee! Bedrooms and Hallways is playing here. Will definitely see it sometime during the week.
~lafn
Fri, Dec 10, 1999 (13:37)
#29
Yippeee! Bedrooms and Hallways is playing here.
It's late....on my schedule, it was due in Chicago mid November...
Marcia it's due at the Honolulu Academy of Arts on Sunday.
~KarenR
Sat, Dec 11, 1999 (09:42)
#30
Wot?! I specifically ordered Mari for dessert - NOT Maria!!
Get me that ****ing waiter!
Happy Birthday Mari!!
~Moon
Sat, Dec 11, 1999 (10:58)
#31
What a feast, Mari! Happy Birthday!
~amw
Sat, Dec 11, 1999 (11:34)
#32
Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday Dear Mari, Happy Birthday to you
~CherylB
Sat, Dec 11, 1999 (11:38)
#33
HAVE A WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY MARI.
~KarenR
Sat, Dec 11, 1999 (12:33)
#34
Listen, hon, next time you call, don't bother with my flunkies. You, I always got time for. And I promise, right after we get that fegellah his Oscar nomination, bubellah will star in my next picture. OK? And Happy Birthday too
~heide
Sat, Dec 11, 1999 (14:59)
#35
Yeah, I understand Mari and Harve are like this - XXXOOO -
Happy Birthday, Mari!
~KJArt
Sat, Dec 11, 1999 (22:07)
#36
Happy Birthday, Mari!
~KJArt
Sat, Dec 11, 1999 (22:17)
#37
Oh, Foo! It was supposed to be animated....
~KarenR
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (00:01)
#38
It is animated, KJ - at least it was for a bit then wore out. ;-)
~Jana2
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (03:10)
#39
Happy Birthday, Mari! So glad you joined the pond :-).
~bordel
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (04:47)
#40
allo
~bordel
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (04:48)
#41
hi
~mari
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (11:49)
#42
Thank you all so much for the birthday wishes! Karen, that Courtois thing is a hoot. Imagine my favorite barrister showing up for my big day, and then not getting what he ordered. Well, he can nolo my contendre any old time he feels like it. ;-) And Harve even put in an appearance--what a mensch! KJArt, you're right, there were entirely too many candles on my cake this year! Moon, Ann, Heide, Cheryl, Jana . . .thank you all so much. What a nice group you all are.
Capped off my birthday at the movies with "Tumbleweeds"--I loved it. Janet McTeer and the young actress who plays her daughter, Kimberly Brown, are awesome. This film is so well written and beautifully acted, and the relationship between the mother and daughter is so real. I highly recommend it!
~alyeska
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (13:08)
#43
Talked to my son last night. They had just come home from seeing "The Green MIle" He says it is better than Forest gump, or Saving Sgt Ryan, but take a towel tissues will not do.
It sounds looks Michael Clark Duncan (6'5", 315 lbs) steals the show as the gentle giant(who is afraid of the dark), wrongly convicted of murdering 2 young girls.
He says this is an Academey Award performance if there ever saw one.
~alyeska
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (13:09)
#44
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARI.
~KarenR
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (13:34)
#45
There was an interview with McTeer (now sporting red hair) this morning on A&E's Breakfast with the Arts. This is text-book Oscar campaigning, but at least it's for an Oscar-calibre performance. I haven't seen anything to match yet and that includes Streep's Music of the Heart. Even though Hilary Swank got the LA Critics' nod, McTeer has an edge because of the movie's subject matter. Boys Don't Cry is not the kind of movie that many MPAAS members are going to run to see or to even plop the videotape i
to their players.
Definitely, go see Tumbleweeds folks. It's a real good one.
~lafn
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (15:58)
#46
Happy Belated Birthday, from Houston, Mari....
IOU a Chardonnay ....a month from today in Londinium!!
~MarciaH
Sun, Dec 12, 1999 (20:39)
#47
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARI
~EileenG
Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (08:30)
#48
http://www.compcovers.com/ccupics/nycovlrg.gif
~EileenG
Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (08:30)
#49
http://www.compcovers.com/ccupics/nycovlrg.gif
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (08:36)
#50
I give up. What was that, Eileen?
~EileenG
Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (08:42)
#51
Sorry I missed your birthday, Mari. Here's a little something I hope you can use.
Wot? You can't see through it? Hmmm, I suppose that defeats the purpose.
Better stick with something like this.
Hope you had a great one!
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (08:48)
#52
OK...now it makes *perfect* sense. ;-) for a moment there, thought I was in the Twilight Zone and was back in our plastic-covered furniture living room.
~EileenG
Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (08:48)
#53
Huh? Sorry, don't know what happened. I didn't hit the submit button but Netscape did kick me out twice. ??? Feel free to delete 'em, Karen.
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (09:40)
#54
In case anyone's interested, Paul McCartney's concert at the Cavern will be broadcast on the web at: 3 p.m. EST Tuesday on http://www.msn.co.uk/cavern
~SBRobinson
Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (12:03)
#55
Happy Birthday Mari, sorry i'm late. Hope you had a wonderful day!! :-)
~KarenR
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (09:45)
#56
OK, I've seen Bedrooms & Hallways. Hate to disagree with you, Moon [;-)], but I thought it was really cute and didn't have a problem with Jennifer's wardrobe. If you think that was hideous, you should've seen This Year's Love. Speaking of which, B&H is 1000x better than that thing.
I put B&H in the category of light, gay-themed comedy. It doesn't deal with serious issues in a serious way as other films have done. It is more satiric in its portrayal of pop cultural trends. The seminar led by Simon Callow is hysterical, and the character played by Harriet Walter as his wife is similarly very funny. The audience really laughed it up, especially at the guy who plays Leo's flamboyant roomie.
I really wonder about the ending though. Rose Troche really set herself up for criticism from the gay community. Strange.
~SusanMC
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (10:53)
#57
Speaking of JE -- Evelyn, have you heard anything about how the Noel Coward centenary (in which she was listed as performing) went? Is it to be televised? Would have liked to have seen Colin take part in this.
~patas
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (10:56)
#58
Hi Mari, I'm sorry I'm late for your birthday, what can I do but wish you the best of lick for this new year in your life? :-)
Have a Great one!
~Tineke
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (12:51)
#59
(Karen) especially at the guy who plays Leo's flamboyant roomie.
I suppose you mean Tom Hollander. He's in Wives and Daughters as well, the latest BBC costume drama. What a metamorphosis!
~Tineke
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (12:54)
#60
I'm sorry I'm late, Mari.
~KarenR
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (13:09)
#61
(Tineke) I suppose you mean Tom Hollander.
Yes, that's the one. When he came running down the street in those platform shoes, my oh my, big laughs. ;-)
~Moon
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (13:27)
#62
TH was my favourite character in B&H.
Still, I found it filled with clich�s. And, I waited too long for JE.
Tineke, is that stop from one of your visual projects? Cute!
~lafn
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (16:35)
#63
JE was scheduled to appear at the Noel Coward tribute....her Summerfolk director Trevor Nunn was one of the honchos for the event. I bet he twisted her arm...she normally does not attend activities.
Don't know if it was televised...hope so.
~terry
Tue, Dec 14, 1999 (20:38)
#64
Lenzi has shown up in the ghost town formerly known as the bronte
conference, I wonder if the bronte and the austen conferences will ever
have a resurgence. I suggested Lenzi check out this conference and
perhaps get some opinions.
I'll open a topic in porch called Austen and Bronte - is there an
Afterlife?
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Topic 1 of 68: 'introductions'
Resp 37 of 37: Lenzi (Lenzi) Mon, Dec 13, 1999 (19:19) 3 lines
Hello...I've been looking for something like this and have only come
across a discussion page which was populated by a massive group of
high schoolers looking for help because they hadn't read Jane Eyre
for school. Now, after my initial glee in finding this conference, I
am wondering how active this site is. It appears there have been no
entries for quite a while. I hope it is merely a temporary lull...
I am very enthusiastic about the Brontes and have read all I could
get my hands on. Until recently
I had concentrated on the works of C.& E. and their bios but I have
ordered Anne's novels and I'm excited about discovering something of
the more forgotten sister. Has anyone read "A Chainless Soul" by
Katherine Frank? I'm in the middle of it. She proposes that Emily
was anorexic. Although there is a considerable amount of conjecture
throughout the book, I felt that she might have something there. I
think if it is a truth, it was not the kind of self mutilation
arising from low self esteem which plag
es some of our young women in this day, but probably sprang from her
passionate need for control, esp. when she was placed in situations
in which she was away from home, away from her usual liberty. Does
anyone have thoughts on this? I'm so glad I found you all!
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (00:51)
#65
Terry: I doubt the Austen conference will return as they are comfortably housed at Pemberley and the very, very serious minded Austenites participate in an Austen listserv.
Who were the active participants at Bronte? Perhaps we can find out where they are hanging out now and steer Lenzi that way.
~mari
Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (15:21)
#66
Ok, Eileen, all surfaces have been duly covered and I'm ready for all the bon mots that you merry pranksters can dish out! I was ROTFLMAO when I got your "gift"--brilliant, m'dear! Gi, someone must have told you of my fondness for Ye Olde Dice Tables--and there, I can use all the luck I can get--thanks! Tineke, I will "stop" and enjoy your good wishes, and SB's also--thanks so much for the great birthday greetings, everyone. You are very thoughtful and kind.
~CherylB
Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (16:49)
#67
Okay, let me start by admitting that I'm a clueless American. Which is not to say that Americans in general are clueless, but this particular one is very often. Maybe someone can help me with my question, what exaclty is the significance of Boxing Day? I know it's celebrated on Dec. 26, a date I associate with the Feast of the Holy Family or St. Stephen's Day, does it have religious conotations? When I was a child and heard there was this holiday called Boxing Day celebrated in Britain and Canada, I t
ought it was a day for people to put all the gifts that weren't quite right for them in boxes and take them back to the stores to be exchanged. Now I know that cannot be right. A Canadian friend told me the holiday goes back to feudal times when the tennants and serfs used to go to the homes of the nobility to be given the remnants of the Christmas feast, which they carried away in boxes or whatever containers they had. Is that what it is?
~CherylB
Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (17:08)
#68
On a completely unrelated topic the Los Angeles Film Critics Assoc. recently gave out their 1999 Awards. The film which came away the big winner was "The Insider", among its awards were: Best Film, Best Director -- Michael Mann, Best Actor -- Russell Crowe, and Best Supporting Actor -- Christopher Plummer.
~SBRobinson
Wed, Dec 15, 1999 (18:44)
#69
(Cheryl)what exaclty is the significance of Boxing Day?
Five bucks says Marcia knows. :-)
~Moon
Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (07:03)
#70
I am leaving for Italy tomorrow and would like to wish everyone a very
Happy Christmas
And a firthfilling 2000!
~Moon
Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (07:05)
#71
And make sure you are all YK2 ready. ;-D
~amw
Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (07:16)
#72
and the same to you Moon, and have a safe journey and safe return.
Wishing you and everyone a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year
~Arami
Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (14:22)
#73
... the holiday goes back to feudal times when the tennants and serfs used to go to the homes of the nobility to be given the remnants of the Christmas feast, which they carried away in boxes or whatever containers they had. Is that what it is?
More or less. One could argue over the precise details here, but yes, the boxing day was the day after Christmas when the servants were allowed to carry away boxes of whatever gifts they had from their masters.
~lafn
Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (14:56)
#74
Someone sent me a short interview from a Canadian news source...with Jennifer and her mum entitled "The Sunshine Girls".....
Interesting comment re: MLSF..which I do not want to quote out of context.
http://www.canoe.ca/JamMovies/dec15_sunshine.html
~alyeska
Thu, Dec 16, 1999 (19:39)
#75
Cheryl, I hope this is what you need. Boxing Day is the 26th of Dec. The nobility gave gifts, usualy money, to servants, trades people and the poor. It is a legal holiday and the bankd are closed.
~Allison2
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (02:21)
#76
Ah but .... if Dec 26th is on a Sunday, as it is this year, then the 27th becomes a Bank (national)holiday. Is that then Boxing Day? I was in a meeting the other day where we had an earnest discussion about this. Does anyone know the answer?
~MarkG
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (03:06)
#77
Allison, I'm sure there's no definitive answer. Since both Monday and Tuesday are bank holidays, maybe the 27th is "Christmas Day" and the 28th is Boxing Day! Radio Times always lists the 26th as Boxing Day, so that's good enough for me.
Incidentally, Ireland doesn't have "Boxing Day". It's St Stephen's Day there.
~baine
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (05:49)
#78
Would the 27th not be Boxing Day Observed? That's how calendars in the US list holidays now that we celebrate (I use the expression loosely) most of them on Mondays instead of the day they're supposed to be. The 26th would continue to be the actual BD.
If this is so, by the same logic Friday the 24th would be Christmas Day Observed which raises the vexed question of What Happens to Christmas Eve. Since it's not an actual holiday (at least not in the US), which is to say that most large institutions don't close (the only standard by which we measure the existence of holidays now), it can't be Observed on, say, the 23rd therefore must continue in its place on the 24th which is now also Christmas. So we'll have to institute a new phenonmenon--Midnight Ma
s Observed--which will begin at 11 on the 23rd which will be known as Not Christmas Eve--and end at midnight on the 24th during which day people will then simultaneously decorate their trees and open the presents beneath them. They will then not attend Not Midnight Mass at 11 on the 24th which will be followed on the 25th by the day after Christmas Day Observed which is of course Not Boxing Day.
Santa Claus will have a psychotic break and have to be institutionalized, and the question of whether the century/millenium turns at the end of 1999 or 2000 will pale into insignificance beside the burden of getting through the weekend before.
~EileenG
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (08:49)
#79
Cymbeline, I think you may be on to something...your 'proposal' has all the makings of an Act of Congress (just throw in something about pork bellies, Medicare and/or highway funding).
~lafn
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (09:57)
#80
Rosemary Harris took Broadway by storm last night....NY Times glowing review of the Noel Coward Play "Waiting in the Wings"
".... In a city where snubbing is an advanced social sport, Rosemary Harris is offering a master class in the form's more refined elements that no climber (or actor) should miss..."
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/wings-theater-review.html
Poor Lauren Bacall is apparently out of her element and the weak link.
Sad for the show...since she is the bankable star.
~SusanMC
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (10:34)
#81
Glad to hear that "Waiting in the Wings" was better received in NY than in Boston. The critics here were most unkind (not toward RH, though).
Speaking of RH, I read a blurb in the paper the other day to the effect that PBS has acquired the rights to show a bunch of classic theatre performances that were taped in the '50s and '60s. One was RH and Richard Burton in "Wuthering Heights" from 1958, which would have made her about the age Jennifer is now. Am very interested in seeing this.
~KarenR
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (11:18)
#82
RH and Richard Burton? Sounds v. interesting. Perhaps, PBS should tape a performance currently on stage that WILL be a classic? ;-)
~CherylB
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (15:50)
#83
Thank you Arami, Lucie, Allison, Mark, and "The Radio Times" for clarifying "Boxing Day's" traditional observances, it's significance to the concept of "noblesse oblige" and banking practices, also for noting when it's celebrated -- more or less.
Cymbeline, I feel great sympathy for your Santa suffering from nervous exhaustion. It's all just too confusing, Christmas Day, Christmas Eve, which is when Christmas Day is observed, so when is Christmas Eve? Dec. 23. Isn't that when most men actually start Christmas shopping? Then for being absolutely disconcerting -- nothing can match that 25 hour Midnight Mass. That may qualify as a form of penance.
After that I'd need more than a rest, like Kris Kringle I'd need a rest home.
~CherylB
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (16:17)
#84
About the Los Angeles Film Critics Awards: after further checking it should be noted that Michael Mann did not win best director kudos, he in fact was the runner-up. The best director award went to Sam Mendes for "American Beauty". The winner for best screenplay was Charlie Kaufmann, for penning "Being John Malkovich". Hilary Swank was named best actress and Chloe Sevigny won best supporting actress, both were in "Boys Don't Cry".
The New York Film Critics Circle chose "Topsy, Turvey" as their best film.
~KarenR
Fri, Dec 17, 1999 (16:59)
#85
As everyone is now concluding: the Oscar race this year is up for grabs. There are no clearcut winners. And, if anyone even thinks Oscar nominations on the same day as seeing "Cider House Rules," they should be held 48 hrs. for observation. Sheesh! What a nothing movie. A question: Why do they call Tobey Maguire an actor?
Can't wait to see Magnolia on Monday!! :-)
~CherylB
Sat, Dec 18, 1999 (16:21)
#86
More on the New York Film Critics Circle Awards. As noted the winner for best film was "Topsy -- Turvy", which also netted a best director award for Mike Leigh. The best actor prize went to Richard Farnsworth for "The Straight Story", best actress was Hilary Swank for "Boys Don't Cry". John Malkovich was named best supporting actor and Catherine Keener was given the best supporting actress nod, both for "Being John Malkovich". Best screenplay was won by Alexander Payne for "Election".
~MarkG
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (02:50)
#87
Was this best actress Hilary Swank the girl in 90210?
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (08:31)
#88
Just checked at the IMDB (as I've never watched 90210) and, yes, she appeared on that show for one season.
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (08:47)
#89
Hot off the wire: The Golden Globe Nominations
"American Beauty," a dark satire of suburbia and family dysfunction, received six Golden Globe nominations today to lead all film contenders.
"The Insider," based on the true story of tobacco industry whistleblower Jeffrey Wygand, was right behind with five nominations.
"American Beauty" received nominations for best dramatic picture, best dramatic actress for Annette Bening, best dramatic actor for Kevin Spacey, best director for Sam Mendes, screenwriter Alan Ball and best score for Thomas Newman.
Here is a partial list of nominees:
BEST MOTION PICTURE - DRAMA
"American Beauty"
"The End of the Affair"
"The Hurricane"
"The Insider"
"The Talented Mr. Ripley"
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A MOTION PICTURE - DRAMA
Annette Bening ("American Beauty")
Julianne Moore ("The End of the Affair")
Meryl Streep ("Music of the Heart")
Hilary Swank ("Boys Don't Cry")
Sigourney Weaver ("A Map of the World")
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A MOTION PICTURE - DRAMA
Russell Crowe ("The Insider")
Matt Damon ("The Talented Mr. Ripley")
Richard Farnsworth ("The Straight Story")
Kevin Spacey ("American Beauty")
Denzel Washington ("The Hurricane")
BEST MOTION PICTURE - MUSICAL OR COMEDY
"Analyze This"
"Being John Malkovich"
"Man on the Moon"
"Notting Hill"
"Toy Story 2"
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A MOTION PICTURE - MUSICAL OR COMEDY
Janet McTeer ("Tumbleweeds")
Julianne Moore ("An Ideal Husband")
Julia Roberts ("Notting Hill")
Sharon Stone ("The Muse")
Reese Witherspoon ("Election")
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A MOTION PICTURE - MUSICAL OR COMEDY
Jim Carrey ("Man on the Moon")
Robert DeNiro ("Analyze This")
Rupert Everett ("An Ideal Husband")
Hugh Grant ("Notting Hill")
Sean Penn ("Sweet and Lowdown")
BEST DIRECTOR - MOTION PICTURE
Norman Jewison ("The Hurricane")
Neil Jordan ("The End of the Affair")
Michael Mann ("The Insider")
Sam Mendes ("American Beauty")
Anthony Minghella ("The Talented Mr. Ripley")
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (08:52)
#90
BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
"Aimee & Jaguar"
"All About My Mother"
"East-West"
"Girl on the Bridge" ("La fille sur le pont")
"The Red Violin"
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Cameron Diaz ("Being John Malkovich")
Angelina Jolie ("Girl, Interrupted")
Catherine Keener ("Being John Malkovich")
Samantha Morton ("Sweet And Lowdown")
Natalie Portman ("Anywhere But Here")
Chloe Sevigny ("Boys Don�t Cry")
BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Michael Caine ("The Cider House Rules")
Tom Cruise ("Magnolia")
Michael Clarke Duncan ("The Green Mile")
Jude Law ("The Talented Mr. Ripley")
Haley Joel Osment ("The Sixth Sense")
~EileenG
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (10:07)
#91
Thanks for posting these, Karen. Although these award races are up for grabs, it seems these nominations have fallen in line with conventional wisdom. An exception--no Tom Hanks.
Julia Roberts ("Notting Hill")
Instead of best actress, substitute 'best dull performance with the exception of a few zippy one liners.'
Hugh Grant ("Notting Hill")
Instead of best actor, substitute 'best reprise of the same role in a non-sequel.'
Sorry, couldn't resist.
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (10:39)
#92
Actually, I think the Golden Globes are truly stupid and presage nothing more significant than would result based on the laws of probability. They are very establishment oriented and represent one's relationship with the small group comprising the Hollywood foreign press (100 people who go to cocktail parties). Give enough interviews, make yourself available to these people, invite them into your home and-voila-you're a contender.
Did you also notice that Rafey boy is missing ;-)
~mari
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (10:44)
#93
Thanks for the quick reporting, Karen. Overall, these look like good picks to me.
Eileen, I agree on your assessments of the "comedy" categories. I'd add:
Rupert Everett (An Ideal Husband)
Instead of Best Actor, Comedy, substitute Best Impersonation of Granite. In his acceptance speech, he could thank his taxidermist. ;-)
The problem with the Globes (ok, *one* of the problems) is that the addition of the comedy categories spreads it around way too thin. But then again, it assures that worthy folks like McTeer and Witherspoon don't get left out.
Nice to see two noms for Julianne Moore--she's a fave of mine.
Karen, I'll be anxious to hear your assessment of Magnolia today. Ebert raved about it and seemed genuinely angry at his guest critic who didn't like it at all. Joel Siegel on GMA said today that the first two hours were among the most brilliant filmmaking he'd ever seen. I won't tell you what he thought of the last hour. ;-) The trailer looks great, and what a cast!
Harve will be buoyed no doubt by the great showing for Mr. Ripley.
More later.
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (10:52)
#94
Harve will be buoyed no doubt by the great showing for Mr. Ripley.
But he'll have to do so quietly, as Paramount gets to take all the glory for this one.
Nice to see two noms for Julianne Moore--she's a fave of mine.
I'm not!! This way they can give her the award in the comedy category, beating out McTeer, who shouldn't be in that category to begin with, because Moore wouldn't win for dramatic actress. Imagine McTeer up against the Julia Roberts and Reese Witherspoon (do have to rent that movie).
Also am sickened to see Michael Caine (old boy who won last year!) being nommed for supporting. Plenty of other more deserving guys.
I hate the separate categories.
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (12:03)
#95
Another MIA: Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio for Limbo anyone catch her as mob housewife in witness relocation made-for-cable movie last week? ;-)
Surprised the Hollywood 100 didn't find a category to nominate Robin Williams. Don't they always? ;-)
~EileenG
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (12:28)
#96
(Mari) Rupert Everett (An Ideal Husband)
Instead of Best Actor, Comedy, substitute Best Impersonation of Granite.
Ooohh, isn't that the category in which Bruce Willis won last year for his 'performance' in The Seige (I think that's the title--it's the one where NYC is threatened with annihilation.)? He played the general. It was mesmerizing--his facial expression did not change for the entire movie. I think it was actually a picture of Bruce Willis, with Conan O'Brien's lips moving.
(Karen) I think the Golden Globes are truly stupid
Truly. But I'm still glad SiL won last year :-)
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (12:43)
#97
(Karen) But I'm still glad SiL won last year :-)
Yes, it beat out such stellar Musicals and Comedies as: Bulworth, Patch Adams, There's Something About Mary, Still Crazy and The Mask of Zorro. ;-)
Here are last year's nominees with the winners shown:
http://www.goldenglobes.org/1999awards.cfm
~lafn
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (14:17)
#98
Thanks Karen, for posting this list
It looks good to me....
I hope Anthony Minghella wins best director this time...lost TEP to Billy Bob Thornton...but against Sam Mendes...I dunno.
Did you also notice that Rafey boy is missing ;-)
Yeah....I have mixed feelings. The guy works so hard on his roles and promoting them. Still, I would hate for him to beat out ODB.
~mari
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (18:13)
#99
(Karen) Another MIA: Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio for Limbo anyone catch her as mob housewife in witness relocation made-for-cable movie last week? ;-)
Ok, let's list all the people who got screwed. You are absolutely right about MEM for Limbo, but I really didn't expect her to get nommed as these people can't remember what they ate at last night's press junket, let alone a movie from June (which they probably nevered bothered to see). I did see her in Witness Protection, Karen--the film was nommed, as was Tom Sizemore (who I thought was very good).
Another big MIA: Wes Bentley of American Beauty. Bentley and Spacey *are* the movie. This young man was fantastic, IMO.
Ditto Kimberly J. Brown in Tumbleweeds--the kid was amazing. She and McTeer *are* the film. Speaking of McTeer, relax, Karen, the Globe will enhance her name recognition and she'll be in there come Oscar race time.
Here's another MIA: Jeremy Northam for The Winslow Boy. Terrific. See MEM comment on Limbo.;-)
I haven't seen Caine's performance yet, Karen--tell us about it. (And I liked Tobey McGuire in The Ice Storm, so there.;-)
(Evelyn, re: RAFE) Yeah....I have mixed feelings. The guy works so hard on his roles and promoting them. Still, I would hate for him to beat out ODB.
Somehow I don't ever see that situation even coming up. :-(
~lafn
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (20:14)
#100
Re: Rf(Evelyn) Still, I would hate for him to beat out ODB.
(Mari)Somehow I don't ever see that situation even coming up. :-(
Oh Mari...I know ,hope springs eternal ...but I do. He just has to quit making these s***y films.And move his bums.I'm convinced that ole Harve would go to the mat for him, if he saw a semblance of initiative on ODB's part.
Of course this is all IMO.
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (23:23)
#101
You're right about Wes Bentley, Mari. He's bound to get a *real* nomination come Oscar time, and the McTeer thing will get sorted out when they drop all those other favs.
About Tobey Maguire. He is so absolutely nothing in Cider House Rules, it's hard to describe, but then again so is the movie - a big, huge nothing. Maguire barely changes expressions and just floats through the story even though he's the main character is supposed to be propelling some form of self-discovery. argh
Now unto Michael Caine. He's ok, not great. Everyone comments about his American accent. Well, he didn't speak with a Maine accent, but (a) no one did, (b) no one did and (c) no one did. And we all know Maine accents are v. distinctive. He was a kindly, manipulative ether-addicted god-like doctor. Yet you would probably like him, if (big if) you were sympathetic to his leanings. Last year, he got the award for Little Voice, but that was same-old, same-old Michael Caine.
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (23:29)
#102
Of course, I may still be rambling after the three-hour Magnolia. At this point, all I can say is PT Anderson (writer-director) aspires to be the heir apparent to Robert Altman. There's a lot to digest, and the role Cruise had, you can understand why he pursued it. btw, that guy from Laugh In (Henry Gibson) plays a character named Thurston Howell. That should give you some idea of the kind of humor. ;-) more later...
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 20, 1999 (23:37)
#103
And, at a certain point in the movie, it will hit you like a sledge hammer: this is the ultimate Diaper Drama! ;-)
~LauraMM
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (07:00)
#104
And I also thought Tobey Maguire was quite good in Pleasantville, too.
I haven't seen ANY of the movies listed. Well I did see Being John Malkovich and can I say that I loved it. I never laughed so hard in my life (okay, I laughed at The Full Monty). I loved the 7 1/2 floor and "I'll meet you by the New Jersey Turnpike". Poor John Horatio Malkovich;)
~EileenG
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (08:51)
#105
(Karen) that guy from Laugh In (Henry Gibson) plays a character named Thurston Howell.
Tell me he says "Luvvy.."!
Hubby is off next week and we've decided to catch up on current movies. I wish Magnolia wasn't 3 hours long. Karen, does the time go fast (as with Titanic) or drag (as with Thin Red Line)? I think all the editors in the business have been assigned only to ODB's films lately.
(Mari) Ok, let's list all the people who got screwed
Well, they had to make room for those bastions of talent, Julia and Hugh. *cough*
Last night ET made a big deal out of the omission of all the big moneymakers (Phantom Menace, Sixth Sense, etc.). Leonard Maltin said the GG noms usually follow the money; if that's the case (frankly, I've never paid that much attention) then perhaps this year's noms are a step in the right direction.
~KarenR
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (09:10)
#106
(Eileen) Leonard Maltin said the GG noms usually follow the money
...and the hors d'oeuvres. IMO, the GGs are only one step above the People's Choice Awards.
does the time go fast (as with Titanic) or drag (as with Thin Red Line)?
Since I didn't see the latter, can't rate on your scale. ;-) It's an engrossing movie and the first couple of hours are filled with really funny and bizarre things. There's also this wildly bizarre (cannot miss for the world) scene toward the very end, which I'm betting is supposed to have biblical significance. I hardly looked at my watch, maybe once.
To offset the humor and drive away audiences in droves, Magnolia is about characters whose lives are revealed slowly, perhaps like the petals of a flower. Julianne Moore is going to get a lot of praise for her role, but IMO her character's motivations were the least believable. Afterward people were sitting there talking. IMO, it's a movie worth seeing, especially if your other option is Bicentennial Man. ;-)
~KarenR
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (09:26)
#107
In a statement, �Notting Hill� star Hugh Grant deadpanned, �I am very flattered. The readers of Horse & Hound will be delighted.�
~EileenG
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (09:45)
#108
(Karen) IMO, it's a movie worth seeing, especially if your other option is Bicentennial Man. ;-)
Have already resolved to stay as far away from that clunker as possible. As for TRL, rent it only if you suffer from insomnia. ZZZZZZZZ
(Hugh) The readers of Horse & Hound will be delighted.
Good answer!
(Karen) the GGs are only one step above the People's Choice Awards
Hearing the TV noms, you'd never know the difference. I think Ray Romano is a talented comedian, but best actor? No way. He went to the Jerry Seinfeld acting academy.
~lafn
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (10:15)
#109
Am I the only one who feels The Winthrow Boy was also screwed....what a cast!
Rebecca Pidgeon was certainly as good as Meryl Streep in that music thing..
~KarenR
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (10:39)
#110
(Eileen) As for TRL, rent it only if you suffer from insomnia. ZZZZZZZZ
A friend who went to see it (early on) said he was among the last people left in the theater, as most people walked out. He walked out as well. That could've influenced me, as well as the description of a shot involving a blade of grass that went on interminably. *hee hee*
(Evelyn) Am I the only one who feels The Winslow Boy was also screwed
Face it, Ev. TWB is going to be overlooked by everybody. Hardly anyone saw it and there are always an overabundance of male candidates for the best actor and supporting actor. IMO Rebecca Pidgeon was OK, not all that great. Besides, the movie was in the summer...might as well have been another century.
~Tineke
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (11:06)
#111
(Eileen)As for TRL, rent it only if you suffer from insomnia. ZZZZZZZZ
I'd read such excellent reviews for this film, that I'd decided to see it. I don't think I've ever looked at my watch as often as I did then. I kept on thinking "now, that's a perfect scene to end this film! *hoping hoping* This IS the end, right?" and then it would go on and on and on....
I suppose it's a nice nature documentary.
~baine
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (15:52)
#112
Sorry, what's TRL? I'm not making any associations.
~lafn
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (16:03)
#113
Another Henry James movie comin' up...
From Premiere Mag, Dec.
THE GOLDEN BOWL by Henry James is the latest-and most torrid - Merchant Ivory production. Directed by James Ivory(Howard's End).Has a budget of $15.Mil being filmed largely at Syon House [of TTOTS fame]. Stars Uma Thurman, Nick Nolte, Jeremy Northam and Kate Beckinsale.
~~~~~~
Looks like the 12th Duke of Northumberland, the lord of the manor, is gonna make
a killin' this year.
~Jana2
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (16:36)
#114
TRL = Thin Red Line
Have not subjected myself to this one based on the reviews of the girls from Drool. I'm not sure I want to spend 3 hours with a retrospective on the nature of a blade of grass ;-).
~lafn
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (17:53)
#115
TRL? Isn't that last year's film?Seems to me it was trying to compete with Saving Pvt. Ryan.
~~~~~~
This was Matt Damon Day on ABC. He was on GMA this AM and on Oprah this afternoon with Gwynnie...plugging "The Talented Mr. Ripley" which opens Christmas Day....as if it needed more publicity.That's all the magazines are talking about.They also had a filmed comment by anthony Minghella.
Gwynnie commented on Harvey re: her spread in Talk Mag..."You know, how he makes you do things." Harvey is pushing this film like he did SIL at this time last year.
No longer can actors and directors walk away from a film when the director says the last "cut".In fact,it seems that's when their sales job begins.
~KarenR
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (17:57)
#116
In case anybody's interested, "The Very Thought of You" just came out on video. This was originally titled "Martha, Meet Frank, Daniel and Laurence" and stars the simian-faced Fiennes brother, Monica Potter, Rufus Sewell, Ray Winstone and Tom Hollander (Mr. Platform Shoes and leopard jacket from Bedrooms & Hallways). It only played in NY for about as long as FP did - or less. I'll let you know how "bad" it is. ;-)
~CherylB
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (19:23)
#117
The Golden Globes are pretty much a joke insofar as awards are concerned. Their only purpose seems to be making money for the tv show's producer Dick Clark, (yes, it is he who would seem to be the Dorian Gray of the television), and the NBC network. Last year Peter Travers wrote a hilarious piece for "Rolling Stone" on the Hollywood Foreign Press Association and the Golden Globes. Not one of these alleged journalists is from from France, which is rather surprising since the French have largely shaped f
lm criticism as we know it, although there is something of a backlash against established forms of film criticism in France, but I digress. It would seem that most of these, ahem, reporters, spend most of their time attending hollywood parties, and would never consider going to the movies, much less actually, horrors! writing about them.
Now on to some prestigious film awards -- those given out by the National Board of Review. Their 10 Best Films of 1999 are as follows:
1. "American Beauty"
2. "The Talented Mr. Ripley"
3. "Magnolia"
4. "The Insider"
5. "The Straight Story"
6. "Cradle Will Rock"
7. "Boys Don't Cry"
8. "Being John Malkovich"
9. "Tumbleweeds"
10. "Three Kings"
The best foreign language film was Pedro Almodovar's "All About My Mother". The best screenplay honors went to John Irving for adapting his novel "The Cider House Rules", and Anthony Minghella was cited as best director for "The Talented Mr. Ripley".
As for the acting awards, Russell Crowe won best actor for "The Insider", the best actress prize went to Janet McTeer for "Tumbleweeds". The supporting category was quite interesting, Philip Seymour Hoffman was a winner for both "The Talented Mr. Ripley" and "Magnolia"; while best supporting actress Julianne Moore won for 3, count 'em 3, different performances in the films "Magnolia", "A Map of the World" and "Cookie's Fortune". She must have a really good publicist. Yes, she is talented, but lots of pe
ple are talented...they just don't work as much and get noticed for it.
~CherylB
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (19:30)
#118
I'm so remiss. I almost forgot to wish everyone Happy Start of Winter Holidays. I'll start with HAPPY WINTER SOLTICE, followed with MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY BOXING DAY, JOYFUL KWANZAA, HAPPY RAMADAAN, and not to be left out HAPPY SATURNALIA.
Seriously I do hope that all of you have joyous holidays, no matter which ones you celebrate.
~lafn
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (19:32)
#119
Re: Julianne Moore...She must have a really good publicist.
Yes, she is talented, but lots of people are talented...they just don't work as much and get noticed for it.
Saw her on GMA plugging "The End of the Affair".
She goes after roles like a cheetah.She said she had heard of this role, got hold of the script, wrote to the director (Neil Jordan) and pleaded for an audition.Apparently she just doesn't sit around and wait for'em.
~CherylB
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (19:48)
#120
Yes, Moore does pursue roles, and good for her, but it can backfire. The most obivious example is Sean Young, who relentlessly solicited director Tim Burton for the role of Catwoman in the second Batman movie -- she didn't get it. In fact she alienated Burton, who probably would have hired again if she hadn't been so dogged. Granted Young is a bit, umm, flaky. Moore still needs a good publicist to help her in the awards' derby. Case in point, Don Cheadle is one of the finist actors working in film, b
t as far as I know in the awards sweepstakes he hasn't won jack squat.
~alyeska
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (19:54)
#121
Did anyone else notice ODB in the picture of the director talking to two people in the TEP part. He was just to the left of the director who was waving his hands. Giving directions I would imagine.
~mari
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (21:34)
#122
(Evelyn) This was Matt Damon Day on ABC. He was on GMA this AM and on Oprah this afternoon with Gwynnie...plugging "The Talented Mr. Ripley" which opens Christmas Day
And Jude Law is scheduled to be GMA on Thursday. These kids are out selling--good for them for supporting their movie, their studio, and their director. Huge Ripley article in the new issue of Time--very good review, but a bit of grousing that Ripley is drawn more sympathetically than in the book. Didn't realize that Patricia Highsmith was an expat American herself.
I also liked Rebecca Pidgeon in TWB, Evelyn, and Nigel Hawthorne also. Just a really well-done film. And Entertainment Weekly has (somewhat) avenged Northam's MIA status by listing him in their "Great Performances for '99" section in the new issue. Gorgeous pic of him in bed, rolling in the sheets. Yikes! Says he was the true standout in AIH, and also cites his work in Winslow. Wes Bentley is also in there.
RE: Julianne Moore--she's not only talented but she pursues her roles with intelligence. She just doesn't make dumb choices, and she's been quoted as saying she tries to seek out the best direectors and then just places her trust in them. And unless you're one of the very few at the top of the A list, they all have to chase for the best roles. Kate Winslet chased James Cameron for months before he'd audition her for Titanic.
Cheryl, thanks for posting the various "best lists" from the critics groups. I like Don Cheadle also--hasn't he won an Emmy? I think he's been nommed at least once, but will have to check.
Karen, I'd love to hear more on the Magnolia performances. How was Cruise?
~alyeska
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (22:33)
#123
I have been over at Lady Viola and the same thing is going on that went on last month now Anthony andrews is getting Racking up the votes.
I talked to Paul last weekend and he said they can be rigged, he wanted to know if I had any site in particular in mind but I put him off.
He comes back next week, right now he is in Orlando for at least a week. I wonder if I should have him check it out.
I hate to do that, if she isn't doing anything.
~KarenR
Tue, Dec 21, 1999 (23:26)
#124
Everybody's on the shows and will be making appearances until (1) the AA noms are made and then the nominees will be parading around on all the shows until balloting is finished.
Emily Watson was just on Letterman and Alan Rickman is on Conan. (BTW, I recommend Dogma, but you have to like Kevin Smith movies as I do.)
Mari, I'll write something up about Magnolia for tomorrow. Cruise does a credible job, but it is The Role vs. Him Playing the Role that makes it. He plays a real huckster type, which are always colorful and scene stealing. What makes it even more appealing is that his character Frank TJ Mackie is the Guru of Maleness. Most of his scenes are during a seminar he runs for men who are losers with women. He's slick and you'll love the chapter titles of his manual. Stuff like "How to Pretend to Be to be N
ce and Sensitive to Women." He's rude, crude and socially very unacceptable. Until the end, he is basically projecting a role, not playing off other characters. He does this very well, strutting around like a peacock and gyrating those hips while only wearing jockeys.
~MarkG
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (02:38)
#125
Karen, I think you'll enjoy The Very Thought of You which played in the UK as Martha Meet Frank, Daniel and Laurence. Quirky rom-com stuff, plot slightly too coincidence-driven, but sweet overall. Yeah, I liked Monica Potter too. Talking of London-based rom-coms, my daring 2000 prediction is surprising success (in the UK, at least) for Londinium (given any kind of decent release). I think it has all the ingredients for a hit here - especially renowned comedians and a feelgood look
at London.
Also, I would like to add to the accolades for The Winslow Boy, which was my find of the year. Driving by the cinema, saw the poster in a corner, barely attempting to compete with Phantom Menace and other tosh, and swept my wife in to impress her with my knowledge of Rattigan (which worked right up until Northam's entrance, after which I lost her interest).
As I will be offline after today until next century, I would like to wish everyone a very happy Christmas and New Year with thanks for the entertainment afforded. Looking forward to seeing those who make it here in January.
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (08:09)
#126
(Mark) my daring 2000 prediction is surprising success (in the UK, at least) for Londinium
You have no idea *how* daring that is!! ;-) We can hope, pray and offer up burnt sacrifces to help out.
Have a very happy holiday and don't spend all your time on that ferris wheel! See you in January. :-)
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (08:37)
#127
Very amusing article in the Guardian about the differences in attitudes toward seeing/releasing movies in December.
http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/Column/0,4541,116358,00.html
A few tidbits:
It would not occur to the average British film-goer to visit a cinema over the Christmas period any more than it would occur to them to volunteer for root canal surgery. Or, for that matter, to set foot inside a church.
Christmas in this country is a time for bolting the door, unwrapping a chocolate orange and bedding down with a star-studded Dickens adaptation, the ubiquitous Carol Smilie and the terminally irritating Chris Tarrant. In fact between Christmas Eve and New Year's Day most of us would not vacate the sofa unless it were on fire.
*******
While this time of year is a tense one for movie executives, it is certainly a joyous one for film fans. Americans plan their Holiday Season movie trips with Operation Desert Storm precision. They study show times in the same way we study the Radio Times. What's more, in many US cities, cinemas are actually open on Christmas Day.
~lafn
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (10:03)
#128
(Mari) Kate Winslet chased James Cameron for months before he'd audition her for Titanic.
Saw her on GMA while plugging T. said James Cameron did not answer her letters...so she got hold of his cell phone number and called him while he was driving on the LA freeway (yikes!)He pulled over, took her call and said "Yeah, I'll give you an audition".(Gywnnie had just turned the part down to do sliding doors)The rest is history...as they say.
~~~~~~
(Karen)Americans plan their Holiday Season movie trips with Operation Desert Storm precision.....What's more, in many US cities,cinemas are actually open on Christmas Day.
Oh, Karen what a hoot.Part of my Christmas present from my son is a movie marathon the day aft Christmas. We see as many as we can crowd in....buns hurt by the end of day.
~~~~~~~
(mark) Re: Londinium I think it has all the ingredients for a hit here - especially renowned comedians and a feel good look at London.
Mark! What a nice gift you have given us. But tell me...have you ever seen a film with these "renowned comedians"? Don't!!You might change your mind.
See ya on the 15th. Details in email shortly aft the New Year. Happy Hols to you and your wife...and hey...we wanna meet her too.( Tell me, Santa...is there
such a person???hmmm?) :-D
~lafn
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (10:13)
#129
Forgot to mention that GMA Joel Siegal said "Man on the Moon" with Jim Carrey is a real turkey. "What got into Milos Forman to do this".
~baine
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (12:44)
#130
(Karen)[re:The Very thought of you] I'll let you know how "bad" it is.
Please let us know if the presence of Rufus is worth having to endure the simian face.
(CherylB)... solicited director Tim Burton for the role of Catwoman ... who probably would have hired her again if she hadn't been so dogged.
Ha,ha,ha,ha!
Dear Firthettes and Firthians,
I have had the great honor and pleasure of being admitted to your company for just over three months now. They have been ones of fascination and joy. I have seen films I would not have known of and read books I would not have picked up. I have learned a good deal about the ways of film, theater, and the PR industry. And I have enlarged my acquaintance with some of the pleasantest and most interesting people with which it has been my pleasure to consort and been on the receiving end of your knowledge,
it, and generosity.
For all of this I have to thank the manifold attractions of OVDB. And so I do thank him and each of you for making life even more interesting. Likewise I wish him and each of you the happiest of holidays, whatever they may be.
And may we all gather again in good health on the other side of Y2K.
~amw
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (13:44)
#131
Here, Here Cymbeline. Happy Holidays to everyone and a wonderful New Year.
~Lizza
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (13:57)
#132
What a wonderful sentiment Cymbeline.
May you have a happy holiday and here's to your enlightening and joyful
company again in the New Year.
And to everyone else, whatever you may celebrate and wish for yourselves.
~Jana2
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (14:24)
#133
Happy Holidays to all the denizens of drool!
You all add a much-needed spice to life.
~LauraMM
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (15:16)
#134
I want to wish everyone here a safe Holiday and a wonderful new year.
~SusanMC
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (15:20)
#135
I'm still cyber-clueless about how to do images, but hope everyone will accept my plain but sincere wish of Happy Holidays to All!
And now, on this the anniversary of his birth, let's all join in a chorus of: "Happy Birthday to Rafe, Happy Birthday to Rafe..." C'mon, Karen, I can't hear you singing;-D
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (15:28)
#136
(Susan) C'mon, Karen, I can't hear you singing;-D
ha ha!! Listen carefully, as I've strained my vocal chords trying to make some subintelligent lifeforms, who work in the financial industry, do what I tell them to do!! Laura, get me the SEC's rules and who I complain to.
Now, must watch that simian-faced one (who I did like as Shakespeare, Cymbeline) because tape is due back shortly. :-(
Happy Holidays everyone. You've all been great friends, providing countless hours of amusement and support (CF support group activities) and I hope we continue into the next, the last of this millenium! ;-D
~lafn
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (17:07)
#137
(Susan)"Happy Birthday to Rafe,Happy Birthday to Rafe..." C'mon, Karen, I can't hear you singing;-D
You have more courage than I,Susan.:-)
FYI ;
His list had a Chat Room party yesterday.Fans dropped in all day and left messages. No animation though....it's an e-group like Springfolks.
I don't know of anyone who has the facilities we have...THANKS TERRY.
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (20:40)
#138
Chalk The Very Thought of You's failure at the boxoffice to the idiots at Miramax. It's a really cute rom-com as Mark said, and Monica Potter (I swear) is an incarnation of Julia Roberts, that is, without the extra teeth. She speaks like Julia and has all the same mannerisms. I've never seen her before (or just didn't notice her in Con Air), but that's what stuck out.
How can anyone not like a movie that has Dusty Springfield singing "I Only Want to Be with You" over the end credits. This is get up and dance in front of the TV time. (OK, I rewound it a few times)
The title should never have been changed to the innocuous The Very Thought of You because it means next to nothing. The original title at least describes what goes on. Martha meets Tom at the Minneapolis airport enroute to London. He likes her, but doesn't really hook up with her in London. She meets the other two--series of many coincidences, although I disagree with Mark about believability (she does know about the park bandstand)--and immediately falls for one.
The story is told in a nonlinear fashion and narrated by Joe Fiennes character, Laurence. (BTW, Cymbeline, I do like JF; he can express emotion/passion unlike the other one and he has a good chest.) He tells his neighbor his troubles a la the Elizabethan psychologist in SiL. Kept waiting for him to say he was trying to pick a lock with a wet herring! ;-)
Rufus and Tom Hollander are comic foils for each other. Rufus is a self-absorbed actor without money and Hollander is a self-absorbed record industry exec with money. All three are friends since childhood, but its obvious that Laurence (also called Florence) is the only one who knows what being a friend is all about.
Thumbs up. Especially for Joe and Monica and Dusty!!
~alyeska
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (20:50)
#139
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ONE AND ALL.
~Tineke
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (21:23)
#140
~baine
Wed, Dec 22, 1999 (22:54)
#141
(Karen)BTW, Cymbeline, I do like JF; he can express emotion/passion unlike the other one and he has a good chest.
And definitely a more believable love object than Fiennes the Elder--maybe b/c he's a better comic actor?. Too skinny though.
~KarenR
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (08:26)
#142
A MUST read. There's a two-part interview in Indiewire with Mark Gill, president of Miramax. They discuss what indie films are, what Miramax is and how it's changed from the early years.
No mention of MLSF but in part 2 Gill talks about a major emphasis on "clearing the shelf" after winning the Independent Spirit Award for keeping films on a shelf.
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_Gill_991222_p1.html
~KarenR
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (08:51)
#143
...and there's much more. Indiewire has interviews with all the major players in this retrospective of the decade. Very interesting stuff about how certain films were positioned and marketed, the problems of distribution at the *arthouses*, how the indie spirit and filmmakers have been absorbed into the studio system.
Here are the urls. Read at your leisure.
October Films:
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_Ray_991210_p1.html
Fine Line:
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_Manne_991213_p1.html
Sloss Law (company that reps indie films to distributors):
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_Sloss_991214_p1.html
John Pierson (author of book on indie films):
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_Pierson_991215_p1.html
Reid Rosefelt (High Priest of publicity for these films):
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_Rosefelt_991216_p1.html
Strand Releasing:
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_Strand_991217_p1.html
Sony Picture Classics:
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_SonyClass_991220_p1.html
Sundance Festival Director:
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_DECADE_Gilmore_991221_p1.html
~EileenG
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (09:04)
#144
(Evelyn) TRL? Isn't that last year's film?
Yes. I brought it up as the 'standard' of excruciatingly slow movies selected for view by one's husband, throughout which one searches in vain for the ejection button on the armrest.
(Mari) Jude Law is scheduled to be GMA on Thursday
I saw this on Tuesday (maybe it's a two-parter since it was definitely taped). Thought he looked great and was well spoken.
Mari's right, Cheryl. Don Cheadle won an Emmy last year for his portrayal of Sammy Davis Jr.
Thanks for that Indiewire article, Karen.
~lafn
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (10:05)
#145
Thanks Karen for all the Indie films URLs. That seems to be the industry side ODB gravitates to in starring roles..so we should read.And it is definitely changing...daily. So maybe he should read them too!!
~~~~~~~
MLSF lasted 5 days in Okla. Waddaya expect? Never a n'paper review.
~KarenR
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (10:22)
#146
More reading matter ;-) An interview with Anthony Minghella - hits on why he keeps changing the original material (as in TEP), and has a more professional answer for the question of whether Matt Damon was his first choice to star (Misan Sagay, please read!)
http://cnn.com/1999/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/22/minghella/index.html
~EileenG
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (11:52)
#147
Thanks for that link, Karen. Minghella's a class act--thought so ever since he thanked the principal cast (*all* of them, unlike Harvey at last year's GGs) in his TEP Oscar acceptance speech.
~EileenG
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (12:25)
#148
Happy Holidays to All!
~EileenG
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (12:33)
#149
And as the year draws to a close, a special
to our hostesses, Heide and Karen, for all the effort you put into making Drool such a delightful place.
~amw
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (13:28)
#150
I'll second that, Eileen.
~baine
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (13:31)
#151
Amen to Eileen's thank you for making Y1.999K a great one for me.
Happy note--found TVTOY just sitting in my video store today plus they had their old copies of SIL on sale. So my Christmas Eve viewing pleasure is assured.
~lafn
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (13:42)
#152
I got SIL on sale too...$5., pre-viewed.
~~~~~~~
The JE website editor went to see "Waiting in the Wings"on B'way. Said the play and Lauren Bacall were better than the reviews. As the curtain rises a group of actresses are singing around the piano and when RH turned around the audience burst into applause**.Nice that audiences remember stars even as they get older and in her case she has not been on stage for five years.
**Just wait til I go see TRT on B'way in May...guess who's gonna lead the applause when JE comes on stage:-D (It's a custom in the US...Judi Dench loved it!)
~KarenR
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (15:52)
#153
Aw shucks, ladies, we don't do anything special. We don't have to. If you're all here, then it's a piece a cake. :-)
Re previously viewed vids, Blockbuster will be having another of its clearance sales in which you take $2 off. SiL is currently at $9.99, so you would get it for $7.99. Sorry, can't beat Evelyn's $5. However, I am working on a free DVD of MLSF. Have racked up $14 for correct trivia answers at reel.com. Should have that baby nailed soon!! (if anybody wants to join in, let me know 'cause I'll get credit for referrals)
~KarenR
Thu, Dec 23, 1999 (15:53)
#154
Forgot to tell you the dates: Jan 10 through Jan 31
~KarenR
Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (14:23)
#155
(Murph) OT: Any discussion of Mr. Ripley going on anywhere at Spring?
If it occurs within Drool, it would be here, at our OT board.
I haven't decided on my movie picks (two) for tomorrow yet...must wait for the times to be posted...then will decide on the theater. It's a tossup right now between the one around the corner, which is/will be playing: All About My Mother, The Cradle Will Rock, The End of the Affair, and Sweet and Lowdown. One of my other places has Ripley and Man on the Moon and the Green Mile, but I have to drive there. Oh the pain of decision-making! ;-(
~KarenR
Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (20:31)
#156
~MarciaH
Fri, Dec 24, 1999 (21:21)
#157
Mele Kalikimaka,
~patas
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (07:18)
#158
(Karen)I haven't decided on my movie picks (two) for tomorrow yet
I don't know about the others, but I think you will like All About My Mother.
~patas
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (07:22)
#159
FELIZ NATAL to all FirthFans in Spring!
~alyeska
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (07:24)
#160
The Green Mile is excellent, we are still debating whether or not John Coffey is an angel
~KarenR
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (08:41)
#161
Time to close the centering tag. ;-) Hmm if everybody's going to see Ripley today, guess I'm going to have to too! Must check the times. I will definitely see "All About My Mother" Gi, but perhaps not today. It is destined to be best foreign film or so say all the critics.
~lafn
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (13:50)
#162
Are you Y2K compliant?
This website might help. It analyzes your programs, tells you if you are compliant and then gives you links for readiness.
You may find the executable available for download about 3/4 of the way
down this page:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/year2k/pca/pca.htm
Simply choose the English Language (or whatever language you are comfortable with), and click the download button.
~~~
Hey, if I did it anyone can...I'm a cyber-klutz.
This is my New Year's gift to everybody....
~Brown32
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (16:37)
#163
Murph here -- Mari said I should post my feelings about TTMR here, so here goes:
The Talented Mr. Ripley....
Offbeat, beautiful and menacing at the same time...young cast terrific. Best
Jude Law, Gwyneth, and Philip Seymour Hoffman, playing to perfection one of
Holden Caulfield's boorish rich classmates in a bit older version - or one
of the characters in O'Hara's Appointment in Samara. American rich --
knowing, sarcastic, with voice and sneer to match.
Law's Dickie Greenleaf filled the screen with life and beauty. What man or
woman could resist him? Charm, talent, unreliability and nastiness combined.
The scene in the jazz club where he wears an adorable pork pie hat and plays
sax and sings is worth your ticket. His is a character seen over and over
again in fiction and film, but O, how full of life he made him!
Damon too was good, but to me he was always playing at playing a part. Hard
for him to look scary, no matter how hard he tried. Though that grin at the end was becoming skeletal-like.
Gwyneth is an actress with a face so luminous that it can break your heart.
She more than held her own with the two men. If Dickie was to have a girl
friend, Paltrow's Marge was the perfect choice.
To me Cate B. came off less successfully. Her role was thankless, added for
the film. She was not in the book. She played it a bit too mannered for me.
I thought the movie lost a lot of its life when Law left the scene, but
watching Damon's Tom Ripley keep a step ahead was entertaining. You wondered
what he would think of - or do - next! Film went on a bit too long at the
end, but not so much that it took away from the enjoyment.
The music is a real part of this movie. I was of the character's ages in the
50's, the time in which the film is set, and I remember the Blue Note and
Birdland on 52nd street. The jazz was cool, and so exciting then. I didn't
catch what recording of My Funny Valentine they played, but it was a good
one. And as for scenery - all the Italy you could want.
Good for Minghella to show he has what it takes to make another big picture.
Harvey and Miramax have a hit on their hands again, if the crowd at the
earliest showing on Christmas Day is any indication. It was packed.
Go see it.
~KarenR
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (17:23)
#164
The Talented Mr. Ripley is definitely worth seeing, but mainly for Jude Law. This is what is called a "breakout performance" and has to get him a best supporting actor nomination and a huge amount of recognition. He's wonderful, as he's been in everything I've seen him in (eXistenZ, Wisdom of Crocodiles, Wilde, Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, Gattaca). And he can do American accents with the best of them!! I have to agree with Mary about the jazz club scene. I never thought anyone could do th
t "L'Americano" number better than Sophia Loren did in "It Started in Naples" but, wow, that was a killer performance.
Initially, I didn't think much of Gwyneth's performance. There's this little scene where Tom Ripley surprises her and she gives a little fakey startled jump. However, she definitely improved. I too don't think very much of Matt Damon's acting abilities. You don't sense an undercurrent of evil within him, which I think must be conveyed beneath his "pretty" fa�ade.
While I didn't read the book (but do know that Blanchett's character was added), I thought hers was an interesting character and she did a rock solid job as an naive American heiress who lacks self-confidence. Am really wondering how the book ended if that character was not present. (Someone is going to have to tell me in an email.)
BTW, could Philip Baker Hall be in more big big films this year than Julianne Moore? I think so. He's in this (the private eye), Magnolia, The Insider, and Cradle Will Rock.
It's a good film, but not a Best Picture. It is too cliche-ridden. How many times in good old-fashion thriller style did you want to moan and tell the characters they were too stupid for words. You know, like "look out, the monster or slasher is right behind you!" It lacked believability IMO. It will be nominated for all sorts of awards and might even win a couple, although it has serious competition in all the technical categories. So I wouldn't bet on it.
So far, IMO nothing can touch American Beauty yet (and, you know, I've seen a lot of them already). It alone has given off that Best Picture aura.
~KarenR
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (17:24)
#165
Oh yeah, one of the other cliches was Peter Smith-Kingsley being British and his relationship with Ripley. ;-)
~Brown32
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (18:24)
#166
Karen:
Tell me more about Peter Smith-Kingsley. He is new to me, I think. He has that dark full Colin Firth type voice.
I agree about American Beauty being a top film, though I would pick The Insider as my best.
I just e-mailed you on the book's ending.
My husband and I were just talking more about the film, and he made the point the Tom Ripley really was boring, as Dickie said. Even later, with all the money, he still lacked charm. Was that Damon, or his part?
The scene with Marge outside the apartment door where she says he (Dickie) broke her heart? That was very well done I thought.
Murph
~Brown32
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (18:29)
#167
Whoops! Peter Smith-Kingsley is the character, and Jack Davenport is the real person. I just looked it up at IMDb. Sorry.
Murph
~KarenR
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (20:51)
#168
Peter Smith-Kingsley
When I said he was a cliched character, it referred to the fact that, since he was British, he would be the one to have a homosexual relationship with Tom, not Dickie, the golden boy American. Aren't all public school boys presumed to have those leanings? ;-) Like I said cliched.
Tom Ripley really was boring, as Dickie said. Even later, with all the money, he still lacked charm. Was that Damon, or his part?
It's not lack of charm, but he was out of his element with those moneyed types. He had bourgeoise tastes. Remember Freddy's comments about the apartment's decor. He said Dickie couldn't possibly live there because it wasn't furnished in Dickie's taste/style. It was too bourgeoise.
Besides, Ripley isn't supposed to have any charm. That's Dickie. He's the charismatic one.
~mari
Sat, Dec 25, 1999 (23:03)
#169
Thanks, Murph and Karen, for your thoughts on TTMR. After reading your comments, I'm thinking I should head to The End Of The Affair tomorrow instead. At least that one has Rafe's bare bum! Hmmm . . .come to think of it, I'll stick with Ripley.;-)
Please keep going . . .
~alyeska
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (05:24)
#170
Lady viola has taken charge of her site and locked it down. She dumped .
Go and see for yourself, I say bravo to the lady.
~Brown32
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (06:52)
#171
Mari:
If you want bare bums -- go see Ripley! Jude Law gets to show his again (aka Wilde).
The End of the Affair is my next "want to see." It hasn't come to our neigborhood yet. I'd love to discuss that one.
Glad you pointed me here.
Murph
~KarenR
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (08:20)
#172
Bare bums you say, well, with Law you get a bit more! ;-) Damon, on the other hand, only drops his towel (for a rear shot) for one sec.
~mari
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (10:08)
#173
(Karen) Bare bums you say, well, with Law you get a bit more! ;-)
Is that why they call him Dickie?;-)
Ok, you two convinced me--Ripley it is!
I'll be back in a jiffy.;-)
~KarenR
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (15:41)
#174
Go here to listen to selections from the Talented Mr. Ripley Soundtrack. I recommend especially Tu Vuo' Fa L'Americano:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000034CZA/103-1081427-0543850
~KarenR
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (15:44)
#175
This clicks right to the song:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/eras/B000034CZA001001/103-1081427-0543850
~MarciaH
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (16:02)
#176
except that it says this when you get there:
"We're sorry. The track you requested isn't available."
~Brown32
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (16:17)
#177
Guys:
I just made a web page for Jude Law. I have the songs in midi versions. Not the same thing, but it gives you the flavor of the real thing.
The Talented Mr. Law
Feast your eyes....
Murph
~mari
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (16:34)
#178
RE: Mr. Ripley--two big thumbs way up from moi! I really liked this one. In my next life, I want to be a rich, spoiled expat American hanging around jazz clubs in Italy singing drunken renditions of Tu Vuo' Fa L'Americano.;-)
I think you've way underestimated Matt Damon's performance. To me, he was chilling *because* he seemed so normal, charmless, and yes, a bit boring. Beautifully understated performance from Matt, I thought. His Ripley was not only uncomfortable in his own skin--he couldn't even find his own skin. He was only at home when being someone else. Recall the laughs and appreciation he evoked when doing the (spot on) impressions of other people. As himself, you actually felt uncomfortable for him around Dick
e's crowd. He is the quintessential outsider--he'd never fit in with this group in a million years, despite the new clothes, the trappings, etc.
Jude Law was awesome in the much flashier role of Dickie. What a juicy part and he nailed it. Talk about matinee idol good looks! He was perfect. I also thought Gwynnie did a good job. I agree about Cate, Murph--a bit mannered. Phillip Seymour Hoffman--what a little gem of a performance. So smug, so sarcastic, so self-satisfied.
I thought Minghella's screenplay was terrific; I didn't find it cliched at all. Great line: "I wanna f___ this icebox, I love it so much!"--the perfect personification of Dickie. Murph, what did you think about how his written adaptation compared to the book? Also, how does the book end? In the film, do you think he sticks with Meredith? I confess to being disappointed --but not surprised--when things didn't quite work out between him and the Brit musician. Yes, I actually felt sympathetic for him
nd wanted him to pull it off. Is this book the first in the series?
~KarenR
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (16:58)
#179
Hate to tell you, Mari, Meredith was Minghella's creation. Wait until you hear how the book really went.
Check out the review at Salon mag. Boy oh boy, do they hate what Minghella did. It starts out with this line: "It must be hard to misread the tone of a book as single-minded as Patricia Highsmith's "The Talented Mr. Ripley," but Anthony Minghella manages somehow.
Here's the url: http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/review/1999/12/24/ripley/index.html
I'm glad I didn't read the book or any reviews beforehand. However, as I said to Murph last night, if as the Salon article (and Murph's husband) say that Ripley planned everything, then Minghella has made a major change. Evidently, in the book, he's a real psychopath.
~Brown32
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (18:59)
#180
Wow, Karen, what a slam review. People who are purists about novels made into movies always go on a bit too much about what was done to THE book. I agree that Minghella made Italy so beautiful it is hard to picture evil happening, but in some ways this made the evil more startling. Dickie's murder was more gruesome when we pulled back from the boat to see a beautiful sea, with two entwined bodies covered with blood. The contrast was chilling, I thought. The same with the religious celebration and then the
dead girl's body.
I agree with the reviewer about Damon's looks and that he was made more touching in the film. He is a real psychopath in the novels. I haven't read them in years, but I remember in one he casually kills someone who comes to his door when Ripley is living as a married man in France because that person remembered him. He then proceeds to turn on the charm for his wife. I still recall him as charming and fascinating.
Mari, Damon's performance was understated, maybe too much so. Law had the meatier role, but so much vitality went out of the film when Dickie died.
I totally agreee with Salon about Hoffman. He did steal the film. His little jabs about "peeky boo" to Ripley on the boat really went under the skin.
More later...
Murph
~KarenR
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (20:42)
#181
But Minghella is notorious for changing his source material. This is major ego at work here. He turned the focus of Ondaatje novel into something entirely different.
Yes, I liked what they said about Hoffman, a rich, frat boy. But, didn't you want to scream at him when he came back to the flat? That's what I mean about stupidity. I expected far more from characters of that caliber. They were not high-schoolers from Scream XX.
Damon was "too understated" is spot on. Minghella makes it look as though Ripley commits his acts on impulse, when cornered, instead of being the planner that he is and what would be consistent with the book's character.
~KarenR
Sun, Dec 26, 1999 (20:43)
#182
and btw, I generally do like Salon's reviews.
~mari
Mon, Dec 27, 1999 (00:10)
#183
Salon can bite me.;-)
Why does Minghella have to stick closely to the source material? Ripley is no less a psychopath just because all his actions are not premeditated. I think it's more interesting to watch because he *is* unpredictable. Part of the character's interest, to me, is seeing what bizzaro self-preserving actions he'll fashion on the run when he's cornered, and it's fun to see him think fast on his feet and escape the noose--just barely--each time. You know he's a nutcase and a pathological liar right from the
tart--his whole identity from the get-go is a sham. The way he tells Meredith why his baggage is with the Rs, for example, or the way he studies and appropriates Dickie's taste in music. He's creepy. I don't think Minghella needs to telegraph it. Just my opinion.
Yes, I knew that Meredith was Minghella's invention, there solely because he wanted Blanchett in the movie. Can someone tell me how the book ends?
One more thought: if Ripley were played as a blatantly boo-hiss psycho, would you feel sympathy for him? I probably wouldn't have . . .and it's a bit disturbing to realize the extent to which he's reeled you in with his aw shucks demeanor and seemingly endearing naivete.
I'm not saying the film is perfect--it's not. I would have liked more exposition in the beginning, for example. We see Ripley's drab existence, but a lot of people live drab existences and they don't turn into head cases. Minghella doesn't tell us what's pushed Tom over the edge. And the last half hour does drag a bit and should have been trimmed. But still, I did enjoy it a lot.
~Brown32
Mon, Dec 27, 1999 (07:10)
#184
Me too - enjoyed the film a lot. Anything that can make us think and inspires discussion, as this film does and will, is good. It did well in the ratings too. Any Given Sunday was tops, but TTMR opened later and had a better screen percentage.
The ending of the book, Mari, has Ripley getting the letter from Dickie's Dad and then, happily wealthy, heading off the Crete - alone. He has met some new friends and hopes to link up with them there.
Murph
~lafn
Mon, Dec 27, 1999 (10:13)
#185
Got to see Mr. Ripley yesterday and agree with pieces of what everyone said.
Yes, Murph, it did drag a bit for me...esp once Jude Law was killed. Boy, if you don't like Matt Damon you better not see this film...the guy is in every scene...got tired of that smile after a the first hour...but he does pull the part off that Minghella invented for him...apparently not Patricia Highsmith's psychopath.
Jude Law and Cate Blanchette have the best American accents and mannerisms I have ever heard/seen. (David Morrissey take note!)
I felt that Minghella's script was weak (as was my other film..John Irving in Cider House).
But the real star of this film is ITALY!Would it have been as good without the scenery and filmed on location dripping with all that Italian culture.
Wow...in the credits I noted he even roped some of his relatives in!
Good entertainment...Best Picture? Best Actor? Nah.
~~~~~~
Also saw "The Cider House Rules" by John Irving.I had not read this book, but I like him as an author. First time screenplay for him...needs a little practice.
I liked the film...written on many levels...Very pro-choice....you wanna discuss
a film, Murph? This is it....
~KarenR
Mon, Dec 27, 1999 (13:46)
#186
(Mari) You know he's a nutcase and a pathological liar right from the start--his whole identity from the get-go is a sham.
From the beginning scene, when he tells Herb he went to Princeton, all I would conclude is that he is a liar (not necessarily pathological) and an opportunist. Neither makes him a nutcase, as defined in the medical books. ;-)
Separating this movie from the novel is advisable as it usually is for a Minghella work. He sees between the typed lines and makes a movie out of them. He saw Ripley as a poor shnook who gets caught up in the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous and, when Dickie tires of him, he [Ripley] gets so caught up in his emotions and passions (for the lovely Dickie) that he kills him. It's all an unfortunate accident. Tommy didn't mean it.
I'm guessing (based on the Salon piece) that the Ripley character is a lot darker. Minghella knows what plays well on the screen and the original character would not have fit in with his lovely movie. To me that is a shame.
However, you do realize that I liked the film, don't you? ;-)
Discussion question: Do you think Ripley killed Silvana?
~KJArt
Mon, Dec 27, 1999 (20:57)
#187
Evelyn: Re your Y2K check thank you.
Sorry for the OT, but VERY important.
Even with all these fancy programs, though, your computer (covered all over with Y2K Compliant stickers) may still fail -- due to a simple oversight by MS in their certification process. To check is elementary, my dear Watson and the fix is easy. (I checked my offc computer and it wasn't, so surprise, surprise!!)
To check:
1: click START 2: click SETTINGS 3: click CONTROL PANEL 4: Double-click on REGIONAL SETTINGS (the globe icon) 5: click the DATE TAB on the top right.
6: Look where it says SHORT DATE SAMPLE. If the year is shown in 2 digits (12/27/99) it is set incorrectly (format "m/d/yy").
7: to adjust, click on the button across from the SHORT DATE STYLE and select an option ending in "/yyyy" instead of "/yy" 8: click APPLY below (your year date should now show as /1999) 9: click OK
Every windows , 95 or 98, or NT installation "as distributed" is defaulted to fail Y2K rollover!!. Pass this on to your PC buddies ... no matter how much of a guru they think they are, this may have escaped their notice!
( Just passing on what looks like an important "forward")
~Jana2
Mon, Dec 27, 1999 (23:49)
#188
Dear KJ,
I got this same message that you described about changing the date format in Windows. It certainly sounded legit, so I checked it out with the technical support guy at work. He is very sharp and I trust his opinion. Anyway, he said that this message is a hoax. The date format in the control panel settings is merely for display purposes and does not impact whether or not your computer will operate correctly under Y2K. Of course, this is just one person's opinion so you can disregard or not. He did sa
that changing this setting in the control panel won't hurt anything, so it might not be a bad idea to change the setting.
~KarenR
Tue, Dec 28, 1999 (18:01)
#189
OK, Mari, I want to hear you defend Ripley's day-glo swimming trunks!
~lafn
Tue, Dec 28, 1999 (19:38)
#190
Ripley's day-glo swimming trunks!
On the Oprah Show they blew that picture up on a huge screen.....
quite" revealing". Gwynnie roared laughing and MD blushed , threw head back, put hands over face!!
~KJArt
Tue, Dec 28, 1999 (20:26)
#191
Thanks, Jana. Glad you had someone to contact.
Not being a "guru"-type, I wasn't sure how legit it was, but I passed it on because I knew it wouldn't hurt anything, and it ?MIGHT? help.
~mari
Tue, Dec 28, 1999 (22:55)
#192
(Karen) OK, Mari, I want to hear you defend Ripley's day-glo swimming trunks!
Even *I* can't defend the indefensible.;-) Still, I think Matty (he likes when I call him Matty;-) showed a *very* nice physique. As for the frontal peek of dickie, er, Dickie--too quick. I wanted to holler to the projectionist to back it up and freeze.;-)
I don't think Tom killed Silvana, Karen. Which brings me to another point: Italy in this film. Knowing this is Minghella's roots, it was probably unintentional, but I thought the country came off as a metaphor for the characters--pretty enough on the surface, but underneath. . . A pregnant single girl feels she has no recourse but suicide, it takes an hour to get an ambulance, and you can't get a phone line. I realize it was the '50s, but still . . .
I do agree with you all that this is not the "Best Film" of the year--but then again, I don't think I've seen the Best Film yet. Much movie-going work to do this week.;-) Though I liked it very much, I do think that American Beauty has flaws, and that the door is open for something else to beat it. Any reactions to that?
(Evelyn) Jude Law and Cate Blanchette have the best American accents and mannerisms I have ever heard/seen.
I agree with you on Jude. Minnie Driver also does a flawless one--ever seen Grosse Point Blank? Who else does an especially good--or bad one? I have a few in mind . . .
My self-imposed choice for next movie to see this week is The End Of The Affair or Being John Malkovich--help me choose.
~lafn
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (09:00)
#193
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JENNIFER
See ya' on your West End Opening Night..Jan. 13th!
~lafn
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (09:05)
#194
Sorry about the whole advert....thought only image was suppose to appear.
Believe me...I am not leading the "Stephen Dillane for the Olivier" balloting!:-D
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (09:11)
#195
Nice program cover, Ev! I see what you mean, but the picture might be deceptive.
Will be at opening night with bells on! ;-)
and neither am I...you can be certain ;-D
~lafn
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (09:23)
#196
I see what you mean, but the picture might be deceptive.
You mean about being thin?
She really is...Looked like that in June...and I just saw her last month in "Summerfolk "and the period costumes just hung on her....Gone is the little round face...but the ping-pong cheeks are still there:-)
~mari
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (10:42)
#197
Happy day to Jennifer! Is this one the big 3 oh, or did that already happen?
Looking forward to seeing TRT and the second best male performance this year;-)
There's a big article in the December Playbill on Rosemary Harris and Lauren Bacall re: Waiting In The Wings. Several pics of Rosemary, including one from her younger years. Jen is her spitting image.
~Jana2
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (14:56)
#198
(Evelyn) You mean about being thin?
She really is...
She does appear very thin in this picture, and seems particularly smaller, shall we say, "above the waist". Sorry, I don't mean to be rude- I admire Jen and thinks she's beautiful! I just wonder if the smaller appearance up top is due to actually being smaller or did she just appear more endowed in her P&P corset than she actually was? Haven't seen Chamomile Lawn, so can't verify ;-).
(Mari) I agree with you on Jude. Minnie Driver also does a flawless one--ever seen Grosse Point Blank? Who else does an especially good--or bad one? I have a few in mind . . .
Jeremy Northam in The Mimic. I think that's what it's called anyway - it was the one where he was battling the giant cockroaches with Mira Sorvino. Poor boy was trying so hard to get the accent right that the acting came off wooden. OK, I know it's hard to act when you're pretending to battle a giant cockroach, but there you are. I saw a bit of JN last night in the remake of Gloria with Sharon Stone. He wasn't very convincing as a NY gangster type either (neither was SS, BTW). Much prefer JN when he
speaks in his natural voice as in Emma or The Winslow Boy.
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (15:08)
#199
So Gloria is a "thumbs down" too? Have been debating whether to watch it.
Mustn't forget Kenny. He does flawless American, with or without a southern accent or NY neuroticism. ;-) Remember, Dead Again? Emma does OK, but she loses it every once and a while. Noticed that in Primary Colors.
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (15:09)
#200
...and his other ex-something: Helena B-C. She did a good (i.e., acceptable) American accent in Fight Club.
~SusanMC
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (15:19)
#201
Happy coincidence: In addition to Jennifer, today is lovely Jude Law's birthday as well. Wonder if ET will take notice?
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (15:25)
#202
Had no idea! why would I? ;-) In honor of this event, I've rented a movie called "Music from Another Room," listed as a romantic comedy from 1997. Probalbly straight to video. But has Jude starring in it. However, if you want to celebrate BOTH birthdays, rent Wilde and then you get to see a whole lot more of Jude. ;-)
~lafn
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (16:04)
#203
(Jana)Haven't seen Chamomile Lawn, so can't verify ;-).
I assure you her bosom was real in P&P (came up in a Times article on the "Wonder Bras" that the females all wore).Apparently no bras...corsets and some contraption that pushed the bosoms up!
In The Camomile Lawn there's no discussion....
Now, she is still well endowed, but not voluptuous, shall we say.
~~~~~~
American accents: Kristin Scott Thomas loses it too in "Random Hearts". The American vowels seem to be the problem...ODB has slips on those too in: "coffee", "mall" and another one I forget.What are the dialect coaches doing anyway!!
~amw
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (17:07)
#204
I am half way through BJ. TEOR, and I love it, so much Mark Darcy, and he is so sweet and very funny and of course, lots of mentions for ODB, if he weren't known before he will be now!! I am beginning to change my mind about wanting to see Colin play Mark Darcy, if he is in the film as much as he is in this book and comes over as sweet, sexy and funny as he does in Edge of Reason then I am all for it. (A MD/Barrister clad only in a towel hmm hmm!!)
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (17:28)
#205
Ann: (A MD/Barrister clad only in a towel hmm hmm!!)
Precisely my favorite image from all the columns. Had Helen Fielding autograph that particular week's column. She wrote: "Mmmmm! To Karen O.K. more sexy Mark to come v.g. wishes Helen Fielding"
~Jana2
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (21:55)
#206
(Karen)So Gloria is a "thumbs down" too? Have been debating whether to watch it.
It was OK. Somewhat lame, but if you go into not expecting a GREAT FILM it is kind of fun. I thought the boy who played the kid was believable and likable and even Sharon grew on me after awhile. It's on cable for free so you can always start it out and change the channel if you think it bites.
(Karen) However, if you want to celebrate BOTH birthdays, rent Wilde and then you get to see a whole lot more of Jude. ;-)
Eeek, too true. But personally, I could have done without the sight of Jude in his more ahem, intimate moments.
~KarenR
Wed, Dec 29, 1999 (23:42)
#207
(Mari) I don't think Tom killed Silvana
It didn't occur to me at first, but when I was told that Ripley planned all his murders, I thought it might. Silvana was a problem; she was a rival for Dickie's time and affection and Tommy knew about her. He didn't want her to split up their little group, so he offed her. I definitely want to read this book now.
I thought the country came off as a metaphor for the characters--pretty enough on the surface, but underneath. . .
Speaking of underneath...the basement symbolism? In NY, Ripley lives in a horrible basement apartment. Later, he tells Peter Smith-Kingsley that his real self lives in a basement and it's all locked up. Wish I had the script for the description. It's perfect.
~amw
Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (02:24)
#208
Karen, I am hoping HF has plenty of input into the screenplay especially as regards MD!
~LauraMM
Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (07:53)
#209
Karen, if you want to see "Gloria" rent the first one, THAT is brilliant! Gena Rowlands is amazing. And I see simularities to Central Station. (is that the name of the movie that you adored last year?)
~baine
Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (14:56)
#210
Just came back from TTMR, and have to agree with Mari. This is Matt Damon's film, and he is great. IMO Bosie was Jude's breakout role. He is certainly good here and full of energy, and the Tu Vuo scene is a show stopper, but his character never changes. With Ripley you never know what he's thinking, never know how he's going to get out of the endless string of jams he keeps getting himself deeper into, never stop admiring how he does it over and over again, and find yourself rooting for a happy ending
for him even as you keep reminding yourself he's a psychopathic murderer. That's MD's work, and I did not tire of the crooked little smile.
Does he actually love Dickie or Marge or Peter or all of them or just want to use them? What would he have done with and to Meredith had he not had to give her up suddenly when Marge reappeared in Rome? We never know his motives, never know what's in his mind, are shocked by what he does, yet admire his daring and still sympathize with him. I think that makes it a great job by MD.
~baine
Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (14:57)
#211
Someone wanted to know whether to see Being JM or something else. My recommendation--BJM--one of the most inventive, unpredictable, riveting films ever. Gives you hope for the American film industry.
~lafn
Thu, Dec 30, 1999 (20:56)
#212
The New Year's Honors List has been announced:
The showbiz stars I recognized:
Dame Julie Andrews (good for RV)
Dame Elizabeth Taylor
Knighthood for Sean Connery
CBE for Richard Curtis (too bad he had heart attack and isn't doing BJD)
OBE for: Jane Seymour, Liam Neeson and Timothy Spall (Oh no! from Dutch Girls)
~~~~~~~
Oh well, there's next year.....
~KarenR
Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (16:10)
#213
and on the Queen's list is Allison Steadman
~MarciaH
Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (16:23)
#214
Alright Karen. You posted in telnet. Brava, my dear!
~KarenR
Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (16:28)
#215
Thank you, but don't like it. :-(
~lafn
Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (16:35)
#216
Hey...I had this guy all to myself til you came muscling in!!:-D
~~~~
"Good to have you back where you belong, Dolly" :-)
~~~~
Just heard that the "Waiting in the Wings "page wants to use our JE Page as a link....cool, uh? I hope the B'way TRT page links us too...!
(I only wish she had more than one page, though.)
~KarenR
Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (16:37)
#217
I am amazed that you can still get in here the regular way when everybody else on the globe appears to be cutoff!
~MarciaH
Fri, Dec 31, 1999 (16:38)
#218
(Karen, I don't blame you...don't like it either but since it is this or nothing, I am beginning to love it!
~KarenR
Sun, Jan 2, 2000 (21:10)
#219
Question: In which area would the W10 designation of London be? by tube stop or named area would be helpful. ;-)
~EileenG
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (10:25)
#220
Am (as usual) chiming in late with my two bits regarding the movie discussion:
Saw Any Given Sunday first (a football movie, how unlike me...:-P). IMO one must be an Oliver Stone fan or football fan to really enjoy this one. Too "Ollie-ized" for me--overabundance of unnecessary stylized shots, picture-in-picture, lightning bolt symbolism, closeups of a football in the air, etc. Ollie himself plays a sportscaster. He's into the Alfred Hitchcock thing. Cameron Diaz was convincing but miscast as the bitch-with-a-capital-B deceased owner's daughter. I thought the part was tailor m
de for Sharon Stone. Pacino screams and shouts alot (what a surprise). Having said this, aside from the usual football cliches (ho-hum, another locker room pep talk), the story was realistic and believable. I enjoyed the appearances by various football personalities--Lawrence Taylor, Barry Switzer, etc.
Mr. Ripley: agree with many points already made about Jude Law. He made the film, IMO. Gorgeous. Great accent. I thought his characterization had variation, noting the difference between the open and unaffected welcoming Ripley scene to the 'you're boring' scene. Matt and Gwyneth were good but not spectacular. Agree that Gwynnie got better as the story unfolded, esp. the 'I know it was you' scene. I agree with your comment about Phillip's market saturation, Karen. I also enjoyed Freddy's 'how's t
e peeping, Tom?' bit, Murph. Cate was also good, but I tired of her character predictably popping up, especially at the end. To me, the perfect ending would have been when Dickie's father, Marge and the private investigator left in the Andrea Doria launch. Everything after that was overkill (perhaps to push the homosexual angle?). Oooo, sorry about the double entendre! All in all, IMO an enjoyable, absorbing film shot in a wonderful setting. You can tell I have not read the book.
PS. Karen, interesting question about Ripley possibly killing Sylvana. My thought is no, based on the scene with Sylvana watching as the group returns from their sailing excursion. She sees the rich, beautiful Americans frolicking on deck and knows she will never be one of them. Next thing we know, she's floating face down behind the Virgin Mary. Later, Dickie admits rejecting her when she came to him for help. Hmmm....Minghella did say in this movie things are never what they seem!
We also saw Anna and the King, or whatever it's called (DH's pick). Jodie's a terrific actress, but not in this one. Chow steals the show. It's about a 5 out of 10 on the 'Thin Red Line slowness factor scale'. I didn't miss the musical numbers, so I guess their objective was realized. Contrary to the other two films, there were no penis shots in this one!
Lastly, saw American History X on cable. Edward Norton was postively chilling. What a brilliant performance. He was the dark horse in last year's best actor AA race, but to lose to Roberto Benigni? Bah!
~lafn
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (10:27)
#221
From my London Theatre Newsletter:
Re: the play BATTLE ROYAL at the National with Zoe Wanamaker
and Simon Russell Beale
"The show has received mediocre notices the popular press....
JOHN PETER of THE SUNDAY TIMES says, "This is a flat flashy, pedestrian
play. THE GUARDIAN says, "Howard Davies's production, set on Rob Howell's
tirelessly revolving inner and outer stages, vainly substitutes perpetual
motion for dramatic dynamism. For all its implied contemporary parallels,
the result is an animated history lesson that belongs to the theatrical
past." NICK CURTIS of THE EVENING STANDARD says, "Nick Stafford's play is
drily witty but emotionally barren, overlong and under-rehearsed."
~~~~~~
Simon Russell Beale is the actor that you all said Colin should be proud to be in his company (short list for Evening Standard Award). And he gets
this review?
Puhleeze...Colin never appeared in a project that was "under-rehearsed".
~patas
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (14:27)
#222
I can't believe I'm back in... Thank you, Terry!
~baine
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (14:31)
#223
Still out in Wessexland. I'm getting in with the workaround Karen sent me but can't use the regular springnet route. Don't see any graphics.
~Jana2
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (14:42)
#224
I saw Mr. Ripley this weekend too. I liked it pretty well, but I don't think I'm as enthusiastic about it as most of the comments I've read. First I agree with all who said it dragged in the second half and it could have stood with some serious trimming down (way too long at 2.5 hours IMHO). I agree Jude Law was great - a vibrant and interesting character, but the whole thing lost momentum after he left the picture.
I guess most of my disappointment centers around the characterization of Ripley. I haven't read the book, but my understanding was that the Ripley character was supposed to be a sort of sociopath, who coveted Dickie's life and tried to steal it. The way the character was presented I felt like they were trying to make Ripley a poor, downtrodden boy that we were supposed to feel sorry for. None of his bad actions seemed calculated or thought out and the only reason he didn't get caught seemed to be dumb
uck. Frankly, I was expecting a smarter, scarier villain so was disappointed by bland, poor old Tom who was just looking for someone to like him.
Another thing I thought was really missing from Matt Damon's performance (not sure if this was his doing or he was directed this way)was any gradation in manner or style when he was himself and when he was living as Dickie Greenleaf. The early scene when Ripley said his one talent was that he could mimic anybody and then he did such a dead-on impersonation of Dickie's father did not seem to be carried through anywhere else in the film. I think Matt's performance would have been a lot more interesting if
he had used Tom's ability for mimicry to be more Dickie-esqe when he was living as Dickie. It just seems this would have added an interestingly psychotic dimension to Ripley's character instead of him being the somewhat pathetic and desperate schlub he seemed throughout most of the film. Well.... maybe schlub is a little harsh ;-).
Also, I'm not sure why Minghella felt the need to emphasize the homosexual themes so strongly. Every male character seemed to be leaning this way at times, even Dickie. (Or am I just too heavily influenced by my DH who was irritated that in his opinion all the male characters were a few ounces too light in the loafers?) Was this homosexual theme in the book? Regardless IMHO, I think Ripley would have been a more interesting character had his sexuality been more ambiguous, i.e. he was "open minded" eno
gh to go whichever direction presented him the most attractive opportunity be it with a man or with a woman.
Just my two cents - perhaps I was expecting too much of the film going in. I do agree with all who said the jazz club scenes were lots of fun, though. Made me want to go to Italy!
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (15:07)
#225
Cymbeline, the pics will return. The regular spring.net is also working for many if not all. Seems like nearly everything is back in sync.
(Eileen) Cameron Diaz was convincing but miscast as the bitch-with-a-capital-B deceased owner's daughter. I thought the part was tailor made for Sharon Stone.
Haven't seen the movie yet, but thought it unbelievable that CD would be owner of a football team. Didn't look anything like a Marge Schott type. Sharon Stone is an inspired choice. Thumbs up from me.
Contrary to the other two films, there were no penis shots in this one!
Guess I'll wait until it's on video or TV. ;-)
Edward Norton was postively chilling
He does excellent work. Check out Fight Club. Real interesting, new wave movie, except for the trite ending.
Cate was also good, but I tired of her character predictably popping up, especially at the end.
Give you some idea of the inspired adapting that Minghella did. Cate/Meredith was his creation. If she's a flaw, then you can totally blame Minghella. Everytime she pops up, you know it's going to be a *crisis of identity* and will he or won't he be caught!! ;-)
BTW, I've just bought the book. Am really interested to see how different it is and how despicable a character Ripley is.
(Jana2) I agree with all who said it dragged in the second half
Is that not the Dickie-less effect. He is the sun and when the sun goes away... it gets rather cold and a little slow.
I felt like they were trying to make Ripley a poor, downtrodden boy that we were supposed to feel sorry for.
Precisely. I really object to that central change to his character. They also gave him a conscience. Would a psychopath have a conscience? Evelyn, ask No. 1 son.
I thought was really missing from Matt Damon's performance...was any gradation in manner or style when he was himself and when he was living as Dickie Greenleaf.
Wot?! You didn't notice that he changed the part in his hair. ;-)
instead of him being the somewhat pathetic and desperate schlub he seemed throughout most of the film. Well.... maybe schlub is a little harsh ;-).
I'd go with schlemiel (a loser) on this one. For schlub, he'd have to have a beer belly.
my DH who was irritated that in his opinion all the male characters were a few ounces too light in the loafers?
Ha!! Think DH should've gone to see Any Given Sunday.
Loved all your comments, ladies. This is such an interesting film to discuss.
~baine
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (20:12)
#226
Help! I still can't get in here with my old spring.net bookmark. It's still saying NOT FOUND. Where have I gone wrong?
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (22:54)
#227
*hee hee* Since Eileen started it, this is from The Times review of Magnolia on Monday:
The most impressive feat is Cruise's turn as a "Seduce and Destroy" sex guru. The parody is too broad to sting, but when was the last time Cruise showed an ounce of self-mocking fun? Come to think of it, when was the first time?
The star's trademark focus during his seminar rants is spookily like Scientology on steroids. Compared with his emotionally costive medic in Eyes Wide Shut, it's a fireworks display. By upending his Prince of Confidence persona, Cruise can still resort to indignation (his standard method of pumping up a scene) but it's no longer righteous indignation. This overthrows 15 years of escalating cockiness.
Cruise did show vulnerability in Jerry Maguire, a belated return to the gaucherie of Risky Business. But Cruise goes a step further here. He is shown to be a fraud.
What is bizarre is that Cruise acting phoney here--his best scenes--is identical to his acting sincere elsewhere. The crinkled brow, the clenched cheek muscles, the laser-beam stare--now it's great acting. Pauline Kael once called him the most fraudulent actor since Robert Taylor. But in Magnolia Cruise rings true as a swine, even stripping down to his (hopefully padded) underpants to unsettle a woman interviewer.[am amazing sight] Villainy feels like the more creative outlet for him. And if Ander
on feels self-important for that discovery, it's deserved.
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 4, 2000 (22:55)
#228
...wonder if the director had some left over props from Boogie Nights? ;-)
~MarkG
Wed, Jan 5, 2000 (06:09)
#229
Karen: In which area would the W10 designation of London be? by tube stop or named area would be helpful.
W10 is "North Kensington". The only tube stop is Latimer Road. Never make the mistake of trying to walk from South Kensington to North Kensington - the areas are completely separate with other localities (e.g. Shepherds Bush, Holland Park) having grown up in between.
~KarenR
Wed, Jan 5, 2000 (08:10)
#230
Thank you, Mark, for the directions and advice. Have found the tube stop. Our detailed London street guides don't extend that far west. I understand about the names. Here, it is a major drive to North Chicago (nearly in Wisconsin) and East Chicago (which is in Indiana). ;-)
~EileenG
Wed, Jan 5, 2000 (09:11)
#231
(Karen) Haven't seen the movie yet, but thought it unbelievable that CD would be owner of a football team.
Her youth is explained in that her father, recently deceased, was the long-time owner of the team. CD's character is the team's general manager. Ann Margret is terrific as her alcoholic mother.
Am really interested to see how different it is and how despicable a character Ripley is.
Several weeks ago, the NY Times magazine featured an in-depth analysis of the book vs. movie. I've sent hard copy to the recycle depot already, but perhaps it's available on-line if you're interested.
Everytime she pops up, you know it's going to be a *crisis of identity* and will he or won't he be caught!! ;-)
Thought this worked well during the opera sequence and afterward at the coffee house by the Spanish steps. Became predictable after that. Too much of a good thing is...too much.
(Jana) I thought was really missing from Matt Damon's performance...was any gradation in manner or style when he was himself and when he was living as Dickie Greenleaf.
True. At first I thought that Tom didn't necessarily want to be Dickie, he just wanted Dickie's things (all those shots of him with Dickie's clothes and jewelry). But then why wear Dickie's rings?
What is bizarre is that Cruise acting phoney here--his best scenes--is identical to his acting sincere elsewhere.
Tom can't catch a break (but then, he doesn't need to)!
~patas
Wed, Jan 5, 2000 (17:21)
#232
Happy Birthday Vera!
~alyeska
Wed, Jan 5, 2000 (20:34)
#233
My HAPPY BIRTHDAY greeting to you too, Vera
~KarenR
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (08:39)
#234
LONDON (Variety) - Director John Madden, making his first outing since "Shakespeare in Love," has committed to take the helm of the wartime romance "Captain Corelli's Mandolin."
He replaces Roger Michell ("Notting Hill"), who suffered a heart attack late last year.
Set on the Greek island of Cephalonia during the Italian occupation in World War II, the film stars Nicolas Cage as an Italian officer who charms the locals. It is based on Louis de Bernieres' bestselling novel.
Shooting starts in April on the Greek island of Corfu.
~MarkG
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (09:58)
#235
At #212, Evelyn said Richard Curtis had had a heart attack. Evelyn, did you mix him up with Roger Michell? I must say I certainly hoped RC would do the BJD script, and he looked healthy enough on TV shortly before Christmas...
~KarenR
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (10:27)
#236
Evelyn, did you mix him up with Roger Michell?
I think Evelyn is interviewing conservators today. ;-)
~lafn
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (13:29)
#237
(Mark)Evelyn, did you mix him up with Roger Michell?
Yes, I did. Sorry, Mark. Apologies to Richard Curtis...may he continue to enjoy good health. Well it starts with an "R"
(Karen)I think Evelyn is interviewing conservators today. ;-)
Smart-ass :-D
~nky
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (15:45)
#238
Sorry to change to subject but does anyone know if CF has his own calendar? Love to get a hold of one for my wall.
~lafn
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (16:11)
#239
LOL. I just got the file name on the new pic of the tomato guy...
"Are you happy evelyn?," indeed.
Better be nice to me...I'm the only one the digihost gods like!
~Janeway
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (16:24)
#240
So we have noticed Evelyn.
Must be your tolerance to pips!!!
~KarenR
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (17:56)
#241
Nancy re: Calendar
I've never heard of there being a commercially available calendar. It doesn't strike me as something he would authorize (a pinup boy image...naw)
~MarciaH
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (18:37)
#242
But surely...with all the cut 'n' pasting we do here, we could put one of those free calendars we got over the holidays and print out our favorite pix and paste'um into place, no?
Make that cut 'n' pasteing (still does not look right but I am in telnet and nothing looks
right!)
~KarenR
Thu, Jan 6, 2000 (22:44)
#243
From the Evening Standard, excerpt from Alexander Walker's year in film:
Culture Secretary Chris Smith will shortly boast that the audience for British-made movies is up to 15 per cent, maybe more. What he won't tell you is that the welcome increase is due almost entirely to a few films - such as Shakespeare in Love, the new Bond and the comedy Notting Hill - all financed by the Americans who, of course, cull the profits. East Is East is virtually the only authentic British-funded film to pull in big business. So much for the Lottery funding of films. A greater waste of nation
l resources I have not seen in 40 years of reviewing. Doomed from the start, since films are a gamble not an investment - and so declared to be in a headline ("Lottery millions will be wasted") on an article I wrote in 1995 - this grandiose abuse of public money has produced neither art nor box-office.
The year just ending showed the full, dreadful incompetence of Arts Council-aided funding. Plunkett and Macleane, Captain Jack, LA Without a Map, The Trench, Food of Love, The Last Yellow, Hold Back the Night ... each seemed worse than the last, if possible. The fact that the year's two worst films, Mad Cows and Guest House Paradiso, were British but not Lottery funded is the only thing in their favour.
As is his usual practice when his master plan isn't working, Mr Smith gave it a new name. It's now called the British Film Council. But on it are some of the same people responsible for the calamitous decisions of Arts Council Lottery funding. The waste is likely to continue. Those rejoicing will be the financial service industries.
Bankers, insurers and money merchants of all shades of honesty have been the main beneficiaries of New Labour's film planning. They have taken advantage of all legitimate - and some dubious - tax benefits, loopholes and gifts from Gordon Brown to enrich themselves by funding films that should never have been made and actually were simply because public money sweetened the pot; or because such movies could be converted into sale-andleaseback income; or set against taxes; or benefit their financiers from on
of a half-dozen other wheezes thought up by film lawyers and accountants. The losers, the big losers, are the public who are seeing their Lottery money shelled out to part-pay for dreck.
I can think of only three of this year's films with Lottery money in them that I care to remember: Gillies MacKinnon's Hideous Kinky, a soft-centred but touchingly confected tale of a happily feckless British mum (Kate Winslet) and her children living the drop-out life in Morocco; Lynn Ramsay's Ratcatcher, a study of a Glasgow childhood, darker in tone than Kes, but touched by the same transforming magic; and Peter Mullan's Orphans, a rebarbative black comedy made by the star of last year's My Name Is Joe
Surely it's no accident that all three film-makers are Scottish. The Scots feel more than the English, and let it show.
~Moon
Fri, Jan 7, 2000 (07:23)
#244
This is from the E. Telegraph today:
The 55-year-old star proposed to the actress, who is 25 years his junior, on New Year's Eve at his home in Aspen, Colorado. Like any modern Hollywood couple, the announcement was made on Douglas's personal web site. He said: "We plan to marry sometime this year. However, no date has been set. Check my website and you'll be among the first to know."
Another creative way to use the website.
~baine
Fri, Jan 7, 2000 (07:24)
#245
Surely it's no accident that all three film-makers are Scottish. The Scots feel more than the English, and let it show
And that goes far to explain ODB's prodigious screen powers as well. He may have been born south of the wall, but with a name like Colin Firth, he's a Scot.
That's the unassailable opinion of someone who's maiden name is Scott.
~Moon
Fri, Jan 7, 2000 (07:24)
#246
Forgot to say it is Michael Douglas and Catherine Z-J. (As if)
~lafn
Fri, Jan 7, 2000 (08:31)
#247
Thank you Karen...I have to agree with The Evening Standard.Even though JE and CF have been recipients of lottery money ....I think the British film industry should be funded by private capital...like ours.There is enough money in UK that should be invested in their own film industry.Look at the West End ...Shocking that they're letting all the American firms come in and buy up those theatres.
Where are all the British moguls..the ones that appear on the Honours List?
~EileenG
Fri, Jan 7, 2000 (08:41)
#248
Thanks for posting that ES article, Karen.
Points made by Alexander Walker:
1. I was right
2. I told you so
3. There is no 3.
Alexander's favorite Hollywood films:
1. Big Daddy
2. Deuce Bigelow, Male Gigolo
3. 1998's Armageddon
I suppose if my own tax dollars were in question, I'd be more inclined to agree with his diatribe.
~lafn
Fri, Jan 7, 2000 (17:42)
#249
Ok...Karen was right...It happened. I've joined the club...can now only get in with numbers.Not only that but I'm on Explorer...Netscape won't let me in!
~~~~~~
Didn't really mean to cricize the Brit gov't for film -funding.
Mind your own business, evelyn
But I detect an aura of resentment on the part of the British maninstram media when reviewing the films that are so funded...and I wonder if their own tax dollars weren't involved, if the films would be judged more objectively.
Anyway, that's IMO. And I probably shouldn't have any on this topic
~KarenR
Fri, Jan 7, 2000 (17:50)
#250
(Evelyn) But I detect an aura of resentment on the part of the British maninstram media when reviewing the films that are so funded...and I wonder if their own tax dollars weren't involved, if the films would be judged more objectively.
Excellent observation, Evelyn. You might be on to something.
~AnnMari
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (11:53)
#251
(Evelyn) But I detect an aura of resentment on the part of the British maninstram media when reviewing the films that are so funded...and I wonder if their own tax dollars weren't involved, if the films would be judged more objectively.
*******
But these people are professional critics/journalists. I wouldn't think that what has to be a very small proportion of their tax money would influence their reviews. Besides, some of the dogs he mentions got lousy reviews here too, from people who have no ax to grind. There was an interesting article in the Telegraph last week on the director Alan Parker, who is heading up the British Film Council that Walker mentions. According to Parker, the Lottery gravy train is going to stop until the scripts ge
better.
On another note, I saw The Green Mile last night. I absolutely loved it. Didn't expect to, but I did. Three+ hours long, but feels like only half that. Beautiful ensemble acting headed by Tom Always Terrific, and smartly written and directed by Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption). This is my fave of the year so far. Anyone else here seen it?
~lafn
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (13:25)
#252
(Mari)Re: Green Mile"Anyone else here seen it?
Not yet. Encouraging to know though that three hours of a prison movie didn't bore you.
I saw "Magnolia".....interesting ...not for everyone.V. Robert Altman-like.
Multi-character, multi-plot, multi-layered.Different incidents that take place in the lives of people all in one day.Get ready for another three hours!
V. creative. Definitely not "same ole, same ole"! You'll never look at Tom Cruise the same again.Not Top Gun, not Jerry Maguire. In "Magnolia" this guy really proves he is an actor.
I was v. impressed
~lafn
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (13:52)
#253
Hey...Lookee, Lookee Today's New York Post, "Hope on the Horizon"
by Clive Barnes (icon reviewer!)
...
"There are also a few revivals in the definite offing -- notably, the terrific must-see revival (unless something has gone wrong on the transatlantic crossing) of Tom Stoppard's "The Real Thing" from London's Donmar Warehouse, staged by David Leveaux and starring Stephen Dillane and Jennifer Ehle. Don't be surprised if, come Tony time, Ehle finds herself vying with her mum, Rosemary Harris, from "Waiting in the Wings," for the Best Actress nod."
~KarenR
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (15:56)
#254
Tough television decision tonight. Showtime is airing a taped performance of Death of a Salesman with Brian Dennehey from its Broadway run. And then there's The David Cassidy Story. Should be griping and incisive. What to do, what to do?! ;-)
~Moon
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (16:01)
#255
Watch Bramwell on Masterpiece Theatre.
Saw the previews to the new Alan Parker film. Another film about ordinary people with no redeeming qualities, and he heads the British Film Council?
A sad state of affairs. I guess nothing will be changing there too soon.
~KarenR
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (16:09)
#256
Watch Bramwell on Masterpiece Theatre.
Watched a few of the first season. Didn't care for it.
Another film about ordinary people with no redeeming qualities, and he heads
the British Film Council?
You mean, Angela's Ashes? About McCourt and his family? A lot of people bought the book. ;-)
~Moon
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (16:11)
#257
You mean, Angela's Ashes? About McCourt and his family? A lot of people bought the book.
Yes, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Janeway
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (16:36)
#258
Loads of stuff in Sunday Papers re "Angela's Ashes" the two stars are well known here (Robert Carlise and Emily Watson) also stuff about the "British are Coming" re Brits inclusion in G.G's and Oscars.
Should find it online Sunday Times etc
They do that article headline every so often and then nothing changes
~lafn
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (17:55)
#259
More...."The British Are Coming"...Hey, they're even buying their theatres!!
From my weekly British Theatre Newsletter:
"It has just been announced Andrew Lloyd Webber's Really Useful Company has bought the Stoll-Moss Group for �85m. This puts the company, of which ALW is by far the majority shareholder, in control of 13 West End theatres....
Much of the West End is now controlled by the two big names in music theatre, ALW and Cameron Mackintosh, leading to fears among commentators that straight drama may be squeezed out.
~~~~~~
Hooray!Good for Sir Andrew.Investing his money in UK!
~KarenR
Sun, Jan 9, 2000 (23:01)
#260
From The Times review of TTMR, I knew there was a reason I liked Dickie: ;-)
Ripley's inaugural victim is Dickie Greenleaf, a rich scion living it up in jazz clubs in Italy. Stylishly played by Jude Law, Dickie is everything Ripley is not - rich, carefree, adored, fun. It's the reverse of Strangers on a Train. The victim is the charismatic flaneur; the hero is the dullard. And the victim disappears halfway through.
Many reviewers have remarked on how Law would have made a better Ripley than Damon and vice versa. He's certainly the more compelling presence, with his languid silky menace. Damon is just too waspy, too tidy an actor, to be scarily unpredictable. It's the best example of backwards casting since Sliver, in which some bright executive decided Sharon Stone should play the simpering victim and Billy Baldwin the flinty sexual predator.
~~~~~
BTW, I've read nearly half the book and, at first, I thought maybe Minghella hadn't made that much of a change with Ripley's character. But, whoa, baby!! Dickie's murder: same location, but way different.
~Moon
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (07:15)
#261
I loved Dickie and Jude Law was perfect. Plays rich/carefree/playboy very well.
I do not think MD could have done it better. I did not care for him at all and I was not impressed with Gwynneth either. Kate Blanchett stole the scene each time.
The film is very overrated. I could see why Minghella would be interested in doing it. The book certainly has many ideas and that is something very rare to find lately.
~Moon
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (07:16)
#262
Karen, in the book, was Dickie's murder an accident?
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (07:36)
#263
The answer is in your email.
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (08:22)
#264
HAPPY BIRTHDAY LIDYA!!!
~EileenG
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (09:47)
#265
Happy Birthday, Lidya! I hope you have a great one.
Alas, I can't get into Spring via Netscape in order to post a graphic, so...
*imagine a nice, juicy pic of Darcy here*
Caption: It is Lidya's birthday--take care you do not confuse her with my sister-in-law, Lydia...I wish you the happiest of days, Miss--er, Mrs. Lidya!
All right, it loses something in translation, but the good intentions are there!
~SBRobinson
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (10:24)
#266
Happy Birthday Lidya! Have a Wonderful Day! :-)
~lafn
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (10:37)
#267
Happy Birthday Lidya...IOU a card when I get back to Netscape too.Can't get in...am doing double posting with Explorer.
~Moon
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (11:03)
#268
Happy Birthday Lidya!
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (13:11)
#269
Your wish is my command...
(Cymbeline) but could you clarify a bit here? Festering and inclinations are not words I think of as logically juxtaposed to homosexual.
You want logic! Oh my. You have to see Happy, Texas and Magnolia. Macy plays closet homosexual types and, with the way he plays most of his characters, everything festers. ;-)
~baine
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (13:14)
#270
Many reviewers have remarked on how Law would have made a better Ripley than Damon and vice versa. He's certainly the more compelling presence, with his languid silky menace. Damon is just too waspy, too tidy an actor, to be scarily
unpredictable.
I emphatically differ here. It's precisely b/c MD is so bland looking that he's so unpredictable as Ripley. JL's "languid silky menace", which is well said, is what would make him an obvious villain. He's got the same sort of thing the young Paul Newman had--you just look at his eyes, and you know he's thrillingly dangerous. That's what made him good in Wilde, but to make him the victim and MD the villain is both inspired casting and true to Highsmith's book. I think MD faithfully embodied her portra
t of Ripley. He feels himself to be bland and inconsequential; that's why he's attracted to Dickie's compelling personality. If Dickie were bland and unlikeable what would be the point? And yet it's ineffectual Ripley who turns the action and rich, powerful, handsome Dickie who loses.
It is true that the book is more complex than the movie and that both Dickie and Marge have been jazzed up a bit for the film, but I don't think they changed the tone of the book nor Ripley's character, and both versions are compelling b/c of the unusual drawings of the two antagonistic characters.
~Elena
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (13:23)
#271
Lovely Birthday to you, Lidya!
~EileenG
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (13:34)
#272
but I don't think they changed the tone of the book nor Ripley's character
I haven't read the book, but from what I've read about the book vs. movie, the conclusion is Minghella made some fundamental changes to Ripley's character (specifically, the movie's victimization of Ripley as well as the overt homosexual themes).
What say you, Karen? Murph?
~livamago
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (14:03)
#273
Thank you all for the good wishes. Birthdays are great fun when one has nice friends with whom to share them! ;~D
(Eileen)*imagine a nice, juicy pic of Darcy here*
Caption: It is Lidya's birthday--take care you do not confuse her with my sister-in-law, Lydia...I wish you the happiest of days, Miss--er, Mrs. Lidya!
Ahh! There can be no better gift for me than Darcy. Thank you Eileen! I am afraid that indeed I can be confused with Mrs. Wickham, but that is only when I am panting and swooning for Mr. Darcy...
~CherylB
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (16:29)
#274
A very happy belated birthday to you Vera; I hope it was great and that you have a wonderful year!
A more timely birthday greeting for you Lidya -- here's wishing you the absolute best in the coming year!
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (17:48)
#275
(Cymbeline) I think MD faithfully embodied her portrait of Ripley. He feels himself to be bland and inconsequential
Can't argue that MD was bland...and so was Ripley in the book. However, the main difference I see is that Minghella has raised him up to be some kind of "lost boy" who shows shreds of a conscience. Nothing, absolutely nothing in the book (60%) to suppport that view. Ripley is one tough little cookie inside. He knows the ins and outs of the underbelly of society and has a criminal mind. He plots and plans, thinks quickly on his feet and uses people. What makes it even worse is that Ripley is not moti
ated by his feelings for Dickie, but because he wants Dickie's things (material possessions).
Overt homosexuality. Remember, the book was written in the 50s. Nothing overt possible. Ripley lived in a weird world, amongst people of dubious backgrounds. Marge tells Dickie that she thinks Tom is a "queer" and that's the beginning of the end of Tom and Dickie's relationship. Later in a letter to the dead Dickie, she says she thinks Tom is probably asexual. Yes, Minghella added more here, especially since the character Peter-Smith Kingsley was only a brief mention in the book and there was no rela
ionship with Tom.
About the reverse casting: The writer undoubtedly has seen JL in many more roles than we have in the US. He has a far greater range than MD and would IMO be as convincing as Ripley as he is Dickie. Wait until you see him as a vampire (with a conscience) in Wisdom of Crocodiles. ;-)
~alyeska
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (21:00)
#276
Happy Birthday Lidya
~MarciaH
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (22:33)
#277
HAUOLI NA HANAU, LIGIA
~MarciaH
Mon, Jan 10, 2000 (22:34)
#278
(That's double dendrobium orchids...in two colors...)
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (08:55)
#279
From a Variety article on last year's indie films:
While certainly no banner year for the specialty company from which everyone has come to expect the most, MIRAMAX FILMS and its genre label, Dimension, did rack up 10 Golden Globe noms and 1999 profits were roughly $80 million.
Naysayers point to pics such as "Happy, Texas," "A Walk on the Moon," "Princess Mononoke," "eXistenZ," "The Castle," "Teaching Mrs. Tingle," "Mansfield Park" and "Music of the Heart" as underperformers, [where's MLSF?] and note that Miramax's days of slapping down high acquisition fees may be numbered.
"We should have had a better year," Miramax co-chairman Harvey Weinstein said. "Sure, I spent too much at Sundance. I thought 'Music of the Heart' would be a winner and that 'Happy, Texas' would find an audience. [where's MLSF?] But what people don't realize is we're basically a fiscally conservative company. We know how to hedge our bets."
But Mark Gill, Miramax's prexy of worldwide marketing, is less apologetic: "In 1999, we won with 'Shakespeare in Love' and 'Life Is Beautiful.' 'She's All That' played terrifically and we still have high Oscar hopes for 'An Ideal Husband,' 'Cider House Rules,' 'The Talented Mr. Ripley,' which we did with Paramount, and several other films."
Marcy Granata, Miramax prexy of publicity, defended the mini-major from the charge that over the past year the company has abandoned its roots: "There used to be a notion floated out there that Miramax was abandoning the small film. Honestly, if you look at last year's slate, you'll see that the large and small films are nicely co-existing."
Among the smallest pics on the 1999 Miramax slate � which Granata notes were bought "out of passion and not solely for profits" � were "My Son the Fanatic," Iranian pic "The Children of Heaven" and Sundance favorite "Guinevere." [where's MLSF?]
Lessons learned from the year that was? "The single biggest lesson is that you have to be really careful about bidding wars," says Gill. "The second is that, unless you are Disney, family films like 'Music of the Heart' are tough to pull off."
Next year, Miramax will reduce the number of pics it acquires and produces and, like the studios, favor pre-buys and co-productions.
Still, Miramax execs expect that whatever perception lingers about its "troubled" year will dissipate in 2000, when the company will release roughly 30 films (nearly the same number as in 1999), including, from Dimension: "Scream 3," starring Neve Campbell, David Arquette and Courteney Cox Arquette, helmed by Wes Craven; "Deception," formerly "Reindeer Games," starring Ben Affleck, Gary Sinise and Charlize Theron, directed by John Frankenheimer; Keenan Ivory Wayans' "Scary Movie"; Gary Fleder's "Imposter,
starring Sinise, Madeleine Stowe and Vincent D'Onofrio; and "Texas Rangers," starring James Van Der Beek, Dylan McDermott, Rachael Leigh Cook, Alfred Molina and Tom Skerritt, directed by Steve Miner.
~Moon
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (09:31)
#280
None of those titles entice me in any way. There used to be a time when a Miramax Film meant something to me.
"Princess Mononoke," got rave reviews and I would have taken my boys to see it but it is no longer around.
"The Castle," was very funny and even DH liked it.
"Mansfield Park," which I did not like, suffered from under-exposure.
The others I may rent in due time. Their ommiting MLSF is outrageous, since it is the best film out of the whole lot mentioned.
Miramax will reduce the number of pics it acquires and produces and, like the studios, favor pre-buys and co-productions.
It looks as if they are going through an identity crisis.
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (09:41)
#281
(Moon) "The Castle," was very funny and even DH liked it.
Am shocked!! Never, in a million years, would I have thought you'd like this one. Is YDH also a closet Three Stooges fan?
~Moon
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (10:04)
#282
You forget we have three boys. ;-D
DH loves Laurel&Hardy and the Marx Bros.
~AnnMari
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (10:06)
#283
RE: MLSF being MIA. Relax. Be glad it wasn't in that first list of "underperformers." BTW, I saw 4 of them (Happy, Texas, A Walk On The Moon, Mansfield Park, and Music Of The Heart) and liked them all. And, the way I'm reading this, the second and third references are to films which Miramax bought (i.e., spent too much money for)from other production companies--not their own productions.
Mr. Ripley: agree with you, Cymbeline. The two leads were perfectly cast. I still get a bit of a chill when I think of Damon's toothy smile that lasts just a bit too long. You know this guy has some screws loose, without resorting to "look, ma, I'm crazy" histrionics. I read the full article and this guy's main beef seems to be that Minghella is no Hitchcock. I say: picky, picky, picky.;-) The Sunday Times review, on the other hand, was very favorable for the film and the actors.
Happy belated bithday to Lidya!
Mari
~EileenG
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (10:22)
#284
(Mari) RE: MLSF being MIA. Relax. Be glad it wasn't in that first list of "underperformers."/.../ the second and third references are to films which Miramax bought
Good points.
~lafn
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (10:37)
#285
I would have liked to have seen MLSF listed under the out of passion and not solely for profits category instead of underperformers.
How about a new category Harve:"Oops, I forgot"..."Starved"....."Stealth"...
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Miramax will reduce the number of pics it acquires and produces and, like the studios, favor pre-buys and co-productions.
Hope for "Londinium" and RV.
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (11:14)
#286
(Evelyn) Hope for "Londinium" and RV.
Why? Those would be acquisitions as they are done (RV) or nearly so (L).
(Mari) this guy's main beef seems to be that Minghella is no Hitchcock.
True, and why should he be? Thought that was a ridiculous argument he was making. If Minghella had done TTMR as Hitchcock, he would have been crucified for being unoriginal. ;-)
(Moon) DH loves Laurel&Hardy and the Marx Bros.
B-b-but these people were the equivalent of trailer trash. ;-)
~patas
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (11:52)
#287
Happy belated Birthday Lidya!
May all your panting and swooning wishes come true ;-)
~AnnMari
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (12:20)
#288
(Evelyn)How about a new category Harve:"Oops, I forgot"..."Starved"....."Stealth"...
And the *winner* gets a 22-reel salute!;-)
~lafn
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (12:22)
#289
Miramax will reduce the number of pics it acquires and produces and, like the studios, favor pre-buys and co-productions.
Evelyn) Hope for "Londinium" and RV.
(Karen)Why? Those would be acquisitions as they are done (RV) or nearly so (L).
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Well, I read that pics it acquires and produces, like the studios(one phrase) means where they "acquire" the book/script and then produce. Then "pre-buys"is buying a film that has already been made.
I dunno'...I guess wishful thinking..."any port in a storm...."
~Moon
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (13:47)
#290
(Mari) this guy's main beef seems to be that Minghella is no Hitchcock.
(Karen), True, and why should he be? Thought that was a ridiculous argument he was making. If Minghella had done TTMR as Hitchcock, he would have been crucified for being unoriginal. ;-)
Otherwise, the critics would not have anything to say. I loved "Stranger on the Tain," and must say Hitchcock did a fantastic job.
(Moon) DH loves Laurel&Hardy and the Marx Bros.
(Karen), B-b-but these people were the equivalent of trailer trash. ;-)
Well they dressed and spoke (except Harpo), in a different manner. Back then, IMO, trailer trash tried to improve themselves, now, it seems to be glorified in the movies.
~livamago
Tue, Jan 11, 2000 (21:57)
#291
Thank you CherylB, Lucie, and Mari! Marcia, I shall proudly wear my beautiful lei (my mother wants one, btw), and Gi, I hope my genie grants me more than just three wishes... ;~D They all start with the letter D...
~MarciaH
Wed, Jan 12, 2000 (14:11)
#292
Lidya, for your mother, I am delighted to present (and all mothers should get flowers on their child's birthday!)
~patas
Wed, Jan 12, 2000 (14:19)
#293
I am wondering what your wishes are, Lidya...
And I also like the Marx Bros (esp. Groucho):-)
~CherylB
Wed, Jan 12, 2000 (18:19)
#294
(Mari) I still get a bit of a chill when I think of Damon's toothy smile that lasts just a bit too long.
I think the effect may be due to genetics; it would appear that Matt Damon was spawned from the same gene pool which produced the Osmonds and Julia Roberts. His teeth are huge. When Matt Damon smiles he could frighten an entire family of beavers.
As to why certain reviewers and critics the need for reverse casting between Damon and Jude Law; this is may well be due to the casting in the first screen adaptation of "The Talented Mr. Ripley", an early '60's French film titled "Purple Noon". This is the movie in which introduced Alain Delon to an international audience. He would then go on to strengthen his position as an international film star by next doing the classic film "Rocco and His Brothers".
Jude Law is certainly more comparable to Delon than is Matt Damon. Also, and more importantly, Dickie Greenleaf is Jude Law's breakout performance, much as Tom Ripley was Alain Delon's.
My thoughts on inverse casting are that Jude Law could have very easily played Tom Ripley, while Matt Damon would have been much less successful as Dickie.
Jude Law really floored me. Yes, I had been impressed by him in "Gattaca" and "Wilde", even "Shopping". I also saw (quite a bit, make that all of) him in "Indiscretions" on Broadway. His performances are always good. In "The Talented Mr. Ripley" it was a fight to the finish as to which was more scenic -- Italy or Jude Law. He looks that good and what an ACTOR.
~alyeska
Wed, Jan 12, 2000 (19:29)
#295
Someone posted a question here a couple of weeks ago about the celebrity 1000. They still have the same months up but the cout is in through December 17, if you check the polls
~baine
Thu, Jan 13, 2000 (08:23)
#296
(Mari) Mr. Ripley: agree with you, Cymbeline. The two leads were perfectly cast. I still get a bit of a chill when I think of Damon's toothy smile that lasts just a bit too long.
Yep. Love Jude, thought he was great as Dickie, thought Bosie was his breakout role as well as harder to play than Dickie. Thought Ripliey was a more demanding role than Dickie, thought Jude and Matt were each in the right place. Thought they played off each other beautifully. Hoping the Academy feels the same on Feb 15.
~patas
Thu, Jan 13, 2000 (12:04)
#297
(CherylB)...it would appear that Matt Damon was spawned from the same gene
pool which produced the Osmonds and Julia Roberts. His teeth are huge. When Matt Damon smiles he could frighten an entire family of beavers.
ROTFLOL!
~EileenG
Fri, Jan 14, 2000 (11:20)
#298
(Lucie) ...if you check the polls
No polls, I beg you...no polls!
~CherylB
Fri, Jan 14, 2000 (16:01)
#299
Actually I don't think that Bosie was a breakout role, but that Dickie is. Why? Because Dickie introduces Jude Law to a much wider (i.e., mainstream) audience than did Bosie. "Wilde" was an arthouse film and as such had a limited appeal. "The Talented Mr. Ripley" is a major studio/major market venture, which introduces Law to a much broader audience. Also, I feel that Dickie offered Law much more to do than did Bosie. The best supporting part, from standpoint of the screenplay, in "Wilde" was had by M
chael Sheen.
Ripley might possibly be a more difficult part than Dickie, but I think Jude Law would have brought more nuance to it. I still think that Matt Damon would have been badly cast as Dickie Greenleaf, as he is not a particularly subtle actor, Dickie would have come off as all surface, a characature rather than a character. Damon's too apparent, bowlderizing charm works for Ripley; it would not work for Dickie. Matt Damon is a good actor, but not a fine one, as he has a limited range. Jude Law is easily the
better actor; he dominates "The Talented Mr. Ripley". It is his movie, even though his character dies halfway through the film. This is also the movie that will make Law an international star, hence it is his breakout role.
~alyeska
Fri, Jan 14, 2000 (20:02)
#300
Re polls. I only put that message up because someone had asked. Soory if I offended you. I just go back to lurking.
~heide
Sat, Jan 15, 2000 (09:39)
#301
She's just joking, Lucie. Don't worry about it. We've just had some bad experience with polls. Can't take them too seriously.
~KJArt
Sat, Jan 15, 2000 (14:01)
#302
Paraphrasing Mr. Bennett's "lace" quote, I believe. :-)
~alyeska
Sat, Jan 15, 2000 (19:03)
#303
Thanks Heidi. That was a bad day for me so I was a little too sensitive. My water pressure dropped when I was taking my shower but I finally got rinsed of, then the water was off for 4 hours. Then they gave us a notice that we have to boil the water til further notice. To cap it all off I found a leak under my bathroom sink, and someone stole my butterfly plant, pot and all.
When I read this I have to laugh It sounds like a three stooges plot.
~Jana2
Sun, Jan 16, 2000 (03:03)
#304
Oh my, Lucie that is a bad day :-(. I hope you have no more plumbing or thieving problems for a good long while.
~EileenG
Mon, Jan 17, 2000 (10:09)
#305
(Lucie) Soory if I offended you
Now, now, Lucie, *of course* I was kidding. I hope your day improved and that you're back in the splash of things!
~alyeska
Mon, Jan 17, 2000 (13:50)
#306
Yes, thank you and my husband got his bike back.
~lafn
Wed, Jan 19, 2000 (17:34)
#307
THE REAL THING
MOST CRITICS adored David Leveaux's revival of Stoppard's play about love, commitment and politics when it was staged at the Donmar last May, so its reappearance is welcome. Stephen Dillane is still bringing his rueful charisma to the role of a dramatist, alongside Jennifer Ehle (above) as the charming, but wayward, actress he eventually marries. The play has all the wit and intellectual sparkle you expect from Stoppard, but its main interest is that, for the first time, he fully acknowledges the pull of
he heart and the glands. Its conclusion would appear to be that love is not merely a game or a weapon to be used in the sex war, it is "mess, pain, self- abasement, loss of self- respect, nakedness". This is subtly argued but, more importantly, powerfully shown in a tale that embraces adultery, betrayal and a hard-won happiness - and, let me add, plenty of classy fun.
BENEDICT NIGHTINGALE
~lafn
Wed, Jan 19, 2000 (18:07)
#308
The Fracas on Opening night of TRT was to due to the fact that we could not hear SD clearly.At the beginning of the second act we heard clapping from the rear of the stalls..then,people shouting "Louder, we can't hear you".
( At first I clapped too thinking it was genuine applause)
SD rose from the reclining position on the sofa and said "Wot"?Meanwhile Jennifer who was kneeling on stage right, heard it all and ROTFL. SD then said
"Pause". And went right on in character. It was extraordinary..I have never heard of such. PS, They spoke louder after that. Got three long curtain calls.
Did you send flowers to JE as well? Yes, in the afternoon we took her a mini-vase with tiny coral roses and a card.
~KarenR
Wed, Jan 19, 2000 (18:16)
#309
They spoke louder after that. Got three long curtain calls.
Undeserved IMHO. The night was a mess. The number of curtain calls was out of pity. All the coughing and sneezing!! I thought I was in a hospital ward. Then the telephone ringing (and not from an audience member's mobile phone), but from somewhere else in the theatre. Totally a mess.
~Moon
Wed, Jan 19, 2000 (19:47)
#310
Karen, what did you think of SDs performance? And, compare it to CF. How crazy are those Oliviers for not nominating him?
Evelyn, what are the three changes that you mentioned from London that have been implimented in TRT?
~lafn
Wed, Jan 19, 2000 (21:24)
#311
Evelyn, what are the three changes that you mentioned from London that have been implimented in TRT?
Debbie and Brodie are cast changes....not for the better IMO.Brodie speaks with such a thick Scottish accent, they'll have to use surtitles for the audience to understand him.SD does not sob like he did on the Donmar...instead says: "Oh, god"..despairingly. Jennifer does not do the play within the play love scene with her lover.Costume changes (for the better). Gone is the dowdy gray number at the end. Instead a pretty clingy purple two piece.Her hair is a strawberry blond color now.
~lafn
Wed, Jan 19, 2000 (21:27)
#312
BTW Emma got the definitive souvenir, IMO. She had Jennifer sign her
"Making of P&P" book and that evening had Colin sign it on the same page.
Cool, uh?
~KarenR
Wed, Jan 19, 2000 (21:48)
#313
Debbie and Brodie are cast changes....not for the better IMO. Brodie speaks with such a thick Scottish accent, they'll have to use surtitles for the audience to understand him.
I'd lay odds that the new Brodie will NOT be going to Broadway. Smallish part will be given to an American actor who will do a v. light Scottish accent that we can understand, e.g., a la Sean Connery.
Which reminds me...saw a funny movie tonight called The Big Tease, a mockumentary about a Glaswegian hairdresser who thinks he's entered in this big international hairdressing competition in L.A. and what he does to actually get in it. If you like Waiting for Guffman type things, you will like this. Very funny. Starred Craig Ferguson (of the Drew Carey Show) and written and produced by him. Small film with lots of walk-ons by celebs playing themselves.
~Moon
Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (07:10)
#314
(Evelyn), Debbie and Brodie are cast changes....not for the better
That is a huge mistake. TRT was perfectly cast. I will have have to agree with you on the changes.
Karen, I would like to hear your critique of SDs performance.
~patas
Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (08:18)
#315
(Evelyn)BTW Emma got the definitive souvenir, IMO. She had Jennifer sign her
"Making of P&P" book and that evening had Colin sign it on the same page.
Cool, uh?
Indeed! Cooler would freeze :-)
~lafn
Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (10:43)
#316
SD CV in the TRT listed "Anna Karenina" in the TV credits,
This from the London Standard:
"In May, he appears alongside Helen McCrory and Kevin McKidd in Channel 4's Anna Karenina, playing the hapless Karenin."
~SusanMC
Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (11:13)
#317
(Evelyn) BTW Emma got the definitive souvenir, IMO. She had Jennifer sign her "Making of P&P" book and that evening had Colin sign it on the same page.
Did JE come down and sign it in person? Or did Emma send the book backstage? Did SD come out at all?
(Karen) All the coughing and sneezing!!
By the actors, during the performance? Must have made it hard to do the love scenes;-) Well, the flu is sweeping the U.K., so guess actors aren't immune.
~KarenR
Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (11:29)
#318
No the coughing and sneezing were by the audience. V. loud. These people should've stayed home, especially in view of the theatre's policy of ticket returns and resales. Here, you'd lose your money. There, they get their money back if the boxoffice resells. People were queued for returns for 3DOR. Totally impolite to come to the theatre and disrupt everything.
~lafn
Thu, Jan 20, 2000 (16:55)
#319
Glowing review of TRT in today's TIMES...so the voice projection problems must have been resolved.Don't know what they did with the coughers. Pic of Jennifer looks like she has red hair, but it is strawberry blond...
"Ehle's vocal precision and air of fierce attention go with her luminous beauty to create an object of love as passionate and real as her lover."
Last night was press night.
~~~~~~~
(Susan)Did JE come down and sign it in person? Or did Emma send the book backstage? Did SD come out at all?We dropped the book off at the stage door when we took the flowers. She and SD never came down at the Donmar. The Albery
stage door is in the rear...so I imagine they have to come out that way.We did not go after the performance.
~KarenR
Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (08:34)
#320
The NY Times article about Jane Austen fanfic was picked up and excerpted in the Evening Standard on 21 January:
EVENING STANDARD: JANE AUSTEN 2: AT A WEBSITE NEAR YOU
from MOLLY Watson in New York
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a reader of Jane Austen's novels must be in want of a sequel.
For the millions of people addicted to her books, often through the BBC version of Pride and Prejudice starring Colin Firth or the movie, Sense and Sensibility, with Emma Thompson, Hugh Grant, Kate Winslet and Alan Rickman, Austen's six completed novels have never been enough.
Now her fans are logging on to the Internet for all things Austen and creating online libraries of their own stories, either written in her prose style or using her characters - even for tales set in space, the Wild West and Medieval England.
Ann Haker, the founder of Austen. com, which offers its 30,000 weekly visitors live chat in the Jane Austen tea room as well as hundreds of stories by fans, says: 'There are just not enough of Jane Austen's own words to read, so we write our own.'
It's called fan fiction - or fanfic - at the two most popular websites for American e-mailers paying homage to the English spinster who died in 1817.
The Republic of Pemberley at www. pemberley. com is 'your haven in a world programmed to misunderstand obsession with things Austen'. It has thousands of creative offerings by more than a million visitors to the site. But the most fun is to be had at the Fantasia Gallery page of Austen. com which features works like Darcy Hood, in which 'Darcy and his merry men do good in the forest of Netherfield', and Shooting Stars, an ambitious leap of the imagination which has Elizabeth Bennet wrestling with her driv
controls as the entire cast of Pride and Prejudice is uprooted to the Star Wars universe.
Even funnier is a tale of Darcy and Bingley running Netherfield airbase in which Darcy delivers the immortal line to Mr Bennet: 'Are you saying Elizabeth is going to flip out?'
In a later chapter when Darcy and Elizabeth are happily married, they move into their new linoleum-floored home where she discovers the waste disposal unit is broken and Darcy, who was once the master of Pemberley's rolling acres, decides the back garden 'was big enough to justify buying a lawnmover'.
In Epilogue Abbey amateur authors try to continue Austen's literary legacy by filling in critical scenes that Austen never described, like Darcy's second proposal to Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice.
Fanfic writers also attempt to embroider Austen's restrained Regency prose, often with cringe-making results. In Roses and Thorns, Darcy muses that Elizabeth 'brought me to the rim, the very edge of wild madness and desire, my mood has changed from lofty pride and prejudice to teeter at the brink of love's precipice'.
Austen's Internet fans are serious about their work. Professor Laurie Kaplan puts the urge to expand her novels down to the author's own 'non-endings'.
'Her summaries at the end of her novels are never as neatly packaged as those of other authors at that time,' she says. 'There's always change and trouble hinted at - it's almost satiric - and the story isn't projected very far into the future. It makes the reader want to push it further.'
Ann Rydberg, a prolific Swedish fanfic writer, says: 'Austen's novels can take any amount of bungling amateurism and still remain unsoiled, the exquisite and well-polished bits of ivory she once presented us.'
Sadly, the readers of Arias and Arrogance, in which Darcy and Elizabeth sing in a sexually charged production of The Marriage of Figaro, would beg to disagree.
~lafn
Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (10:18)
#321
Wait til they find Fan Fic on Drool.Sizzzzzle.
~Moon
Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (11:26)
#322
Thanks for posting, Karen. Poor Ann is having trouble posting too. She deserves the praise.
Wait til they find Fan Fic on Drool.Sizzzzzle.
Oh! I do not think Terry could handle the million plus readers, could he?
~heide
Sat, Jan 22, 2000 (11:32)
#323
Wait til they find Fan Fic on Drool.Sizzzzzle.
LOL!! What would they make of us? We can only hope we remain unexposed.
Kudos to Anne.
~KarenR
Sun, Jan 23, 2000 (23:08)
#324
You know who looked the most uncomfortable at the GGs? Minnie Driver!! ;-) Bet she had a good time chitchatting with Matt Damon or perhaps Babs and James Brolin.
OK, how many pictures will there be of Courtney Love's dress that wouldn't stay up?
~Moon
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (09:21)
#325
Minnie looked great last night, and her boyfriend Brolin's son is very handsome.
I loved Halle Berry's dress and Babs looked fab too.
Did you notice that Gwynnie arrived wearing a long skirt and changed to jeans for the show? She must have seen Lara F-B in her bell-buttoms and probably called someone to bring her jeans. Certainly, as the only two with that casual look, the called attention to themselves.
Winona Rider has no class, no style or taste in clothes, and no posture either. As a presenter this really came through.
Jim Carrey was very funny and he makes a cute couple with Renee (loved her dress, very 60's).
Did you know that Courtney Love's dress was glued on to her breasts?
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (09:55)
#326
Minnie looked great last night, and her boyfriend Brolin's son is very handsome.
Wait a minute!! I thought that was all over, as Minnie has been spotted sneaking out with David Duchovny, he of "new fatherhood." Argh!
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (10:18)
#327
From the Guardian:
Full-length Blackadder movie to be made
Rowan Atkinson is to make a film version of Blackadder, with our hero playing a pop manager who misses out on signing the Beatles.
There have been rumours of a feature-length version of the popular BBC series for a number of years now, intensified recently by the reunion of the characters in Back and Forth, the short film currently showing at the millennium dome in the Skyscape cinema. But the stumbling block for Atkinson and co-writers Ben Elton and Richard Curtis has been the period in which to set the film.
However, according to cast member Stephen Fry, the team have finally decided on the 60s. "We have had great fun thinking what the next one ought to be. We've decided it should be set in the 60s, where Rowan would be a manager of a band that was on the night after the Beatles played at the Cavern Club - so he just misses [them]... and he's enraged with bitterness," he said.
Atkinson will play the Svengali Brian Epstein-esque manager Edmund Blackadder, and as usual will be joined by Tony Robinson, this time as the band's bald drummer, Rick. The remainder of the band will be played by Hugh Laurie, Tim McInnerney and Rik Mayall. Together they spend the 60s trying and failing to make it big by emulating the Beatles.
It is not yet known when the film will go into production.
~~~~
Opportunity for another guest-starring bit? ;-)
~terry
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (10:22)
#328
I just left voicemail for Ann giving her every technical detail she needs
to access austen.com or 208.171.121.122, the new site. I imagine she's at
work, so she'll probably get this tonight. Ann, please send me a
confirming email or voicemail when you get this information.
~terry
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (10:24)
#329
I'm ftping all the old site files to http://208.171.121.122. Some of the
links (probably being absolute links) won't work till the site gets
tweaked.
But you should be able to access the ip address url till the domain name
repropagates through the net. Try it out!
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (10:31)
#330
Terry,
Ann will never see this message here, as she doesn't frequent the Drool conference. Just FYI.
And BTW, have you looked into my access to the new server.
Karen
~terry
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (10:45)
#331
I have set up an account for you there. I will set it up again using all
lower case instead of upper and lower.
Email me so I can reply with the details.
~lafn
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (10:56)
#332
Agree with everyone on the GG clothes. Courtney Love is a mess.As is Winona Ryder.Did you see her punching Matt's arm when they were mentionsing his name for Best Actor.She lacks poise.This is Gwynnie's best friend?
Gwynnie looked cadaverous in those leather trousers.I thought Denzel was the classiest guy around.Liked all the Barbra Streisand stuff....
though it went on 'on...almost like an obit.
~AnnMari
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (12:40)
#333
Did everyone spot Meg Tilly at the GGs? She was sitting right next to Julianne Moore, and they showed her several times. Meg looked terrific--very glam, very youthful; must be the contentment and security of married life;-) ;-)
Also . . .I believe that was that was Richard Greenberg sitting at the table directly behind Sam Mendes (who is adorable, IMO). Discussing a film version of our fave play perhaps?;-)
Courtney Love--gets my Smacked Ass award. Yech!
Minnie Driver--We know you have breasts, dear, you can put them back inside your dress now;-)
Odd (but Cute) Couple: Russell Crowe and Jodie Foster
I thought Julia Roberts looked great--slinky but classy. Barbra--very very elegant, but Shirley MacLeane's intro almost took us into next year. Nicole K's sis is a brunette version of Nic--and also a foot or two taller than Tommy (who I thought gave a nice acceptance speech).
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (13:06)
#334
Hmmm, missed Meg T. I hardly pay attention to the others who might be in the shot from the rest of the table, and I missed the criticial E! Pregame Show. Joan and Melissa would've surely pointed out all that was fit to watch. Maybe they'll do a rerun tonight. ;-)
Why would Richard Greenberg be at the GGs, especially seated anywhere near the American Beauty table, way down front? Don't think it was him. Did you see where Pedro Almodovar sat? Up in the cheap seats.
~Moon
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (13:12)
#335
Julianne Moore looked so good on camera, I did not notice Meg. I will take your word for it Mari, if she looked glamorous.
Wow, Greenberg by Mendes and of course, Spielberg? What could that mean? You are a hawk Mari, good scoop!
According to the Miami Herald, Gwynnie's new best friend is Madonna. They spent the holidays here and techno dancing on NY Eve the were seen kissing/making out after a long hot dance number.
~Moon
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (13:19)
#336
I missed the criticial E! Pregame Show. Joan and Melissa would've surely pointed out all that was fit to watch. Maybe they'll do a rerun tonight. ;-)
I doubt that, Joan is so out of it. I remember at the Oscars big stars would walk right by her and she would be there trying to be funny with a TV actor. I preferred watching the pre-show with Dick Clark last night. Still no Meg.
BTW, when Tom Cruise was interviewed, he said the same thing he ended up saying when he accepted his award. So did Jack Lemmon. I guess they had their lines down.
~lafn
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (13:30)
#337
Meg Tilly at Julieanne Moore table? Which one was Sony? Magnolia, End of the Affair,or AIH?
Moon, Rupert Evert looked a little mangy...not his usual
sartorial self.Too many parties?
~KarenR
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (14:02)
#338
The End of the Affair was Sony.
(Moon) I doubt that, Joan is so out of it.
Did you not see my winky?
Maybe Greenberg was somebody's date? Huh, Moon? ;-)
~Moon
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (14:32)
#339
Maybe Greenberg was somebody's date? Huh, Moon? ;-)
He really wanted to sit with Aldomovar but changed his mind when he saw mangy Rupert, he knows a party boy when he sees one! ;-)
Totally missed the winky, Karen. I know you're in the know. :-D
I would love to see a glamourous Meg. Did anyone tape the show?
~MarciaH
Mon, Jan 24, 2000 (19:40)
#340
Sorry to interrupt, but first thing firthst...I was checking my Birthday list and I see we have CherylB's Birthday 31 of January. Time to hunt new gifs because all of mine are locked up on a Spring file I cannot enter. See you then if not before!
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (08:14)
#341
Elena, are these your neighbors too? ;-)
BERLIN � The Berlin Intl. Film Festival�s (Feb. 9-20) Intl. Forum of Young Cinema section announced a string of European titles Monday.
The world premiere of two Finnish films follows last year�s coup of vet Finnish director Aki Kaurismaki�s �Juha.� This year, Markku Lehmuskallio�s �Seven Songs From the Tundra� and Auli Mantila�s �Geography of Fear,� about a group of women dealing with male violence, rep Finland.
~terry
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (08:41)
#342
Be sure to email or call me today with the details of your new account,
Marcia. I'll get you going on the new site.
~lafn
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (11:06)
#343
Okay...This is me, who hates polls and is now about to eat her words....again;-)
FYI
The Albemarle Theatre website is conducting an Olivier Awards poll and 3 DOR ia waaaay ahead of "Lady in the Van". And so is Jennifer.Now I'm not asking anyone to vote...just giving results.
http://www.demon.co.uk/cgi-bin/albemarlelondon2/survey.pl
~Elena
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (11:07)
#344
Elena, are these your neighbors too?
If they are, they�ve kept quiet about it.
We actually planned to go to see the Geography of Fear (Pelon maantiede) with hubby last Sunday but started to fear even before we saw it and changed our minds. We went to see Sam Mendes�s American Beauty instead. Hmmm...quite interesting, partly. I�d like to know what kind of reviews it received in the US, if anybody happened to read any. I was amazed how terrible Annette Bening was in it, too histrionic to be true.
~Elena
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (11:09)
#345
Something wrong with the link Evelyn? Doesn�t work for me.
~lafn
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (11:13)
#346
Try this URL and click on "Voting results without voting". The one I gave you was after I voted.
http://www.albemarle-london.com/vote.html
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (11:33)
#347
Too bad there isn't a place for *write-in* votes ;-)
~AnnMari
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (12:00)
#348
(Elena) I�d like to know what kind of reviews it received in the US, if anybody happened to read any.
American Beauty got outstanding reviews, Elena--probably the best-reviewed film of the year here. Did very well at the box office as well. Re: Bening--it's supposed to be a satire, not real life, ts the tone of her character. What did you think of Kevin Spacey and Wes Bentley (the young neighbor)?
Sorry, Moon, I didn't tape the GGs, but will ask around.
(Karen) Too bad there isn't a place for *write-in* votes ;-)
Yeah--poor David Morrissey.;-) ;-)
~KarenR
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (12:16)
#349
Elena, about American Beauty, I still feel it was the best picture of the year of the ones I've seen so far. It was perfection in every category.
Yeah--poor David Morrissey.;-) ;-)
Exactly, they should have "Most Improved" category too! ;-)
~SusanMC
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (12:50)
#350
Feeling dense here, but I still don't get why 5 actors are nominated in the best actor and best actor/musical categories, while all the other Olivier categories have only 4 nominees. Anyone know the logic? I presume that 2 actors tied for the 4th slot in both the actor categories?
~Moon
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (13:20)
#351
(Elena), We went to see Sam Mendes�s American Beauty instead. Hmmm...quite interesting,
(Karen), I still feel it was the best picture of the year of the ones I've seen so far. It was perfection in every category.
I was not as satisfied as you were. I tend to agree with Elena.
I liked The Three Kings very much (in every category), and that film seems to have been forgotten.
Thanks Mari, I think we would all like to see a picture of a glamourous Meg Tilly.
I still don't get why 5 actors are nominated in the best actor and best actor/musical categories, while all the other Olivier categories have only 4 nominees.
Good question, Susan.
~Jana2
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (14:32)
#352
(Moon) I liked The Three Kings very much (in every category), and that film seems to have been forgotten.
I agree, Moon. I liked this movie very much - good acting, interesting characters that you could care about, plus a message about the ramifications of war and poorly thought out policies of governments. And thankfully enough action to keep my DH from squirming in his seat :-). I would like to see it gain some awards recognition, particularly for its script or story, but there is so little buzz about this film I kind of doubt it will happen.
~alyeska
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (15:37)
#353
Evelyn. Is this site poloced like Hot Brits? This gal has it set up so that you have to log in before you can vote and you get 5 votes. You get to vote once every 24 hours and if you try before the 24 hours is up you lose those votes and you are locked out until 24 hours from that time. Right now it seems that there are only 2 of us voting for Colin.
http://www.freevote.com/booth/hotbrits
~Elena
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (16:07)
#354
(Mari)it's supposed to be a satire, not real life
But satire just doesn�t work if it�s not somehow plausible too. And satire has everything to do with real life...it won�t bite if all you can think of is "good god, she�s really trying to act her socks off" every time an actress steps in and starts to badly overdo her stuff.
What did you think of Kevin Spacey and Wes Bentley
Wes Bentley: great, mostly. Very Finnish type of sincere insanity!! Spacey: not my taste. Typical clownery. But whoever it was who played Janey, I thought she was brilliant!
(Karen)It was perfection in every category.
Especially in the flying plastic bags category!
Seriously, I think American Beauty is one of the better American movies I�ve seen because the technique was so different and it really tried to say something about reality for a change. Great psychedelia and some almost touching scenes (but not very touching really and that�s one thing that sucks in it.) And the music was good, hubby wants to point out!
~Elena
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (16:13)
#355
~Moon
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (16:53)
#356
(Jana), I would like to see it gain some awards recognition, particularly for its script or story, but there is so little buzz about this film I kind of doubt it will happen.
"The Three Kings" also had great music and beautiful cinematography. I hope the academy remembers this at Oscar time.
Elena, I recommend you see "Happiness." One could easily compare it to Am. Beauty because of the themes. "Happiness" is a more important film.
BTW, I also did not like Annette Bs acting. If you want to see great acting go to see Sean Penn in Woody Allen�s new film "Sweet & Lowdown." Wow!
~lafn
Tue, Jan 25, 2000 (17:02)
#357
(Lucie)Evelyn. Is this site policed like Hot Brits?
Lucie, I really don't know any of the voting regulations of the Albemarle
website.It's strictly for fun....nothing serious.The Olivier committee obviously will not pay any attention to it.Nor should it.
~springnet
Mon, Jan 31, 2000 (23:04)
#358
On Jan 25th, I moved all the old spring conference files to the new site, and I am now posting on the site for the second or third time. Kaylene Thaler has been our savior today, working on getting it to work. Not everything will work at first, because we're being pioneers, but we'll get it to work with your help. The old accounts may not even work, because Kaylene is trying to figure out how to make them work. I'm logging in with a new account.
~terry
Mon, Jan 31, 2000 (23:27)
#359
I just logged with my old username, so maybe our old usernames and passwords will work after all. I hope someone else shows up soon. Last 50, etc. doesn't work yet, there will be lots of things to fix, but the good news is that we've done what many said couldn't be done and moved to this new server. I'm pumped!
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 1, 2000 (09:30)
#360
Welcome everybody to the new site! Thanks Terry.
Calendar of Oscar events:
Oscar nomination ballots are due by 5 p.m.(PST) Friday. Noms will be announced Feb. 15 at 5:30 a.m. The awards will be handed out March 26.
~lafn
Tue, Feb 1, 2000 (10:49)
#361
Thanks Terry and Karen. I too logged on successfully with my old user name and password.
Hooray!
~terry
Tue, Feb 1, 2000 (12:36)
#362
That's great, Kaylene wasn't sure if our old passwords would work, with the exception of the missing background here, we've been far more glitch free than I expected. A lot of people said we couldn't pull this move off, but we did it and I'm relieved.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 1, 2000 (16:51)
#363
This was posted at austen.com's Tea Room. Thought many of us might be interested.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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TLC'S "GREAT BOOKS FESTIVAL" TAKES A WALK DOWN THE AISLE WITH "PRIDE AND PREJUDICE" AND "MADAME BOVARY"
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On Saturday, February 19, TLC will feature an all-day GREAT BOOKS FESTIVAL, with two all-new, world premiere episodes: Jane Austen's 'Pride and Prejudice,' and Gustave Flaubert's 'Madame Bovary.' "GREAT BOOKS: Pride and Prejudice" airs Saturday, February 19, from 9-10PM, and "GREAT BOOKS: Madame Bovary" follows from 10-11PM (ET/PT). The GREAT BOOKS FESTIVAL airs from 9AM to 3AM.
TLC's GREAT BOOKS presents the stories of the heroines of these two novels, and introduces viewers to modern-day writers and relationship experts, who explain how and why women around the world still identify with the novels' characters.
"GREAT BOOKS: Pride and Prejudice," airing from 9-10 PM, interviews blockbuster screenwriter Nora Ephron to reveal how she features elements of Austen's work in her movies. Helen Fielding, the author of the bestseller 'Bridget Jones's Diary,' borrowed her book's plot from 'Pride and Prejudice.' The program illustrates that Austen's characters are so universal that they update with ease. The program goes from gyms to private girl's schools to bridal shops, meeting young women and their mothers who reveal that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Women are still worried about finding the elusive Mr. Right, couples still have to overcome first impressions in order to find true love, and mothers still obsess over seeing their daughters wed.
The story doesn't end at the wedding though, as Madame Bovary learns to her dismay. Stuck in a marriage that can never live up to the passionate romances in the novels she reads, Flaubert's Bovary feels trapped. "GREAT BOOKS: Madame Bovary," airing from 10-11 PM, interviews Erica Jong, author of 'Fear of Flying,' who explains why she took a character similar to Emma Bovary, and sent her on the same sort of emotional quest that Flaubert created. The program also introduces Delma Hayn, the author of 'Marriage Shock,' who reveals that the feelings Flaubert imbues in Bovary are fairly typical with newlywed women. They often feel disillusioned and some turn to affairs to try and recapture some of their old feelings of attractiveness and romance. In order to illustrate the point, the program contains interviews with women who've experienced this disconnect, as well as one women who's currently having an affair. An unmarried man, Flaubert managed to capture the essence of these women's emotions in his masterpiece
~EileenG
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (09:15)
#364
interviews blockbuster screenwriter Nora Ephron to reveal how she features elements of Austen's work in her movies.
Goody! This must include a fleeting glimpse of ODB on the P&P book cover. Can't tell you how many times I've tuned into You've Got Mail just to catch this elusive sight (best part of the movie, IMO).
Thanks for this, Karen.
(Karen) Calendar of Oscar events:
Oscar nomination ballots are due by 5 p.m.(PST) Friday. Noms will be announced Feb. 15 at 5:30 a.m. The awards will be handed out March 26.
If you're interested in all things Oscar, the current edition of Newsweek (2/7/00) features "The Envelope, Please" where "Newsweek invited the makers of the year's most talked-about films to discuss art, money, studios and statuettes. There were a pair of thoughtful Brits (Anthony Minghella, Sam Mendes), a fiesty Canadian (Norman Jewison) and three very different, but equally driven, Americans (Michael Mann, Kimberly Peirce and M. Night Shyamalan)." If you're a Sam fan, he comes off funny ("directing is a very lonely occupation. You think you're the only one who goes through it. This is our AA meeting. My name is Sam, and I am a director [laughter]") and respectful of his peers. Anthony describes how his fight to retain the TEP cast of H'wood unknowns strengthened his commitment to make movies on his terms, not the studios. It's an interesting piece.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (09:15)
#365
Here we go - the nominations that count for something - the SAG nominations:
American Beauty continued to bloom Tuesday as the awards season front-runner with four nominations for the sixth annual Screen Actors Guild Awards. Being John Malkovich and Magnolia received three nominations each.
DreamWorks' Beauty, which won Golden Globes for best film drama, director and script, received SAG nominations for outstanding performance by a cast, for leads Kevin Spacey and Annette Bening and for Chris Cooper in a supporting role.
First-time nominees dominated, taking 15 of the 20 possible individual nods in the film categories.
Julianne Moore achieved a first by taking double nominations for lead role in The End of the Affair and her supporting role in Magnolia, giving Moore her second and third nominations; her first was for 1997's Boogie Nights.
Crystal ball
SAG film nominations and awards provide forecasting guidance as to sentiment among Academy Awards voters, since actors represent nearly 24% of the Oscar vote with 1,321 of the 5,607 ballot-casting members.
Indications have been particularly strong in the lead actor and actress categories, with nine of 10 SAG winners since 1994 also taking the Oscar. The lone exception came in the first year, when Jodie Foster won the SAG award for Nell and Jessica Lange won the Oscar for Blue Sky.
SAG selections in supporting categories have been a less reliable predictor. Last year Robert Duvall (A Civil Action) and Kathy Bates (Primary Colors) won SAG awards, but James Coburn (Affliction) and Judi Dench (Shakespeare in Love) won the Oscars. And SAG ensemble cast winners matched the best picture Oscars only last year with Shakespeare in Love.
"This and the Globes are good indicators of what might happen at the Oscars," said SAG president William Daniels. "It's very meaningfulfor these actors to be honored by people who are in front of the camera."
Ballots to 97,000
Nominations were based on polling of 4,200 randomly selected SAG members. Ballots will be mailed Feb. 15 � the day that Oscar nominations are announced � to the 97,000 SAG members, and winners will be announced March 12 at the Los Angeles Shrine Exposition Center.
The film nominations give a major boost to New Line's Magnolia and USA Films' Being John Malkovich, which were both shut out at the Globes. Besides Moore's nod, Magnolia also received nominations for cast performance and for Tom Cruise for his supporting role, while USA Films' Being John Malkovich scored nods for cast and for Cameron Diaz and Catherine Keener in supporting roles.
Warner Bros.' The Green Mile, Fox Searchlight's Boys Don't Cry and Miramax's The Cider House Rules each took two nominations. Mile received nods for cast and Michael Clarke Duncan's supporting role; Boys for Hilary Swank's lead and Chloe Sevigny's supporting role (Swank took the Globe for actress in a drama); and Cider House for cast and for Michael Caine's supporting role.
Kudos counting
In addition to Cruise, Globes winners Denzel Washington (The Hurricane), Jim Carrey (Man on the Moon), Janet McTeer (Tumbleweeds) and Angelina Jolie (Girl, Interrupted) received nominations.
A mild surprise came from the lead actor nomination for Philip Seymour Hoffman in Flawless rather than a supporting actor recognition for Magnolia. Meryl Streep's nomination for Music of the Heart was her fourth, the most of any of the nominees.
~EileenG
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (09:44)
#366
If you're interested in the Newsweek article I spoke of in #364, here's a link to the online version:
http://newsweek.com/nw-srv/printed/us/ae/a2873-2000jan30.htm
~amw
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (13:55)
#367
I'm so excited, just had to share with everyone, I have tickets to go to The Olivier Awards on the 18th February, now if only Colin had been nominated, (sob) but you never know he may be one of the Presenters, will be able to give you a first hand report on all the gossip!!
~LauraMM
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (13:57)
#368
I made it over, has other topics been transfered yet? And are all of them transferring over? Should the ones that are not used just be deleted?
Anyway, the aztec/mayan motif is interesting.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (14:08)
#369
Laura, everything's here that's gonna be here.
AnnW, how exciting! Are you going to go to the Oliviers? I'm sure, SD's presence will make up for the dearth of Firth. Be sure to yell out, when they are reading the nominees for Best Actor, "This is rigged!! You left out the best one!!" ;-) Just kidding (well, sort of) Have fun.
~Tineke
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (14:31)
#370
Ann, I'm jealous! You're so lucky!
How on earth did you manage to get tickets? Do you know where you'll be seated? I'll look out for you when it's screened on the BBC.
~lafn
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (15:44)
#371
Ann and Aishling ...we're so proud that you're going to be our reps....I'm thinking that perhaps Richard Greenberg, author of 3 DOR will be there.
(If you tell Moon, she'll want his autograph!).And all sorts of important people.
What troupers! Take copious notes.Tell me what she's wearing...
And whoher date is....;-)
~amw
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (15:48)
#372
tell me what she wears Evelyn , I just hope it is not that black dress she wore at the BAFTA Films Awards when she was nominated for Wilde!!
~lafn
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (20:15)
#373
....that black dress she wore at the BAFTA
Films Awards when she was nominated for Wilde!!
That was ghastly...even with the front slit all the way up. By her own admission, she is not a "clothes-horse" and like her ex-boyfriend, is not concerned about clothes. Imagine...with that bod!
~baine
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (20:49)
#374
FYI - 3DOR just opened in DC to good review in the Post. The actress looks cuter than EM, but of course Ned/Walker--well, what's the point? I was hoping that, when his agent said he was leaving the country, it meant he was coming here to continue the role. Alas!
~mari
Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (21:07)
#375
(Karen) Be sure to yell out, when they are reading the nominees for Best Actor, "This is rigged!! You left out the best one!!" ;-) Just kidding (well, sort of)
Karen, maybe we should jet back over for the show and wrap ourselves in paper chains in protest.;-) (Sorry, totally tasteless, I know;-) Ann and Aishling, have a super time--very exciting! BTW, the What's On Stage newsletter predicts Maggie Smith to win (predictably), but says Jennifer *should* win.
RE: SAG noms. Nice to see people like Chris Cooper and Phillip Seymour Hoffman recognized. Does CF have one or two of these? If memory serves, cast won for SIL, but not for TEP, though nommed.
Cymbeline, I saw that 3DOR review. It gets good reviews wherever it plays--which is pretty much everywhere in the U.S., which is why there's no way it will come back to NYC any time soon.
~LauraMM
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (07:35)
#376
I was going to see 3DOR in Philadelphia, but never made it:( And I saw that it was getting really good reviews. I'm curious who are the actors that are in the American version? Does anyone have a clue?
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (07:50)
#377
Is it still there? Cymberline reported that 3DOR is playing around Washington DC right now. You can read the review at the Post site. I'm sure different actors perform at each theatre.
~LauraMM
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (07:58)
#378
I don't know if it's still in Philadelphia. But DC is only 2 hours away, it could be the same troupe from Philadelphia? I thought maybe the 3DOR cast was the same (traveling company). Karen, when you saw it in Chicago, I don't remember what you thought of the actors? Were they good in their own right?
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (08:26)
#379
Of course, they were. It was the Steppenwolf Theater.
~mari
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (08:28)
#380
No, the troupe in DC is not the one who played in Philly. I just did a compare from the Philly review I had posted at springfolks. It ran in Philly from late October to early December. Also, it played in Boston in April.
~sprin5
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (08:37)
#381
If topic 34 didn't make it over from drool, Karen, can you revisit http://206.97.234.70 and copy and paste it in to a new topic. How many posts were in that topic, was it very big? I'm concerned and want to help get that stuff over here to the new site.
~sprin5
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (09:03)
#382
I think I got this done in topic 128. It it may not be as bad as I thought. Try it out and let me know if topic 128, the old fan fiction topic, is working ok. I don't know why this didn't travel over??? But maybe it's ok now.
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (09:27)
#383
Thank you, Terry. Everything moved over just perfectly on 128.
I've left a big message on old 34 about the changes and how their entry the first time will be a bear and a tip about how to avoid loading hell, which I'm reproducing here:
Important!!!
Drool Fan Fic has moved to the new Spring location and has a NEW topic number.
Bookmark this url if you only check Fan Fic:
http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/128/new
Be Warned However...
The first time you use that url, it will take forever to load because you will be getting 1970 messages and your PC will not likely be able to hold it all in memory cache and will stop loading at some point.
So for the first time you go into the new Fan Fic topic, use this url, which will start it loading at message #1900.
http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/34.1900
After that you can go back to the usual one I listed first.
See you there! :-)
~lafn
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (09:39)
#384
What's On Stage newsletter predicts Maggie Smith to win (predictably), but says Jennifer *should* win.
Albemarle Theatre website has
Jennifer 115 votes .... Maggie Smith 68
3 DOR 102...Lady in Van 79.
SD 107....Henry Goodman 38
My guess is that at Olivier time the owners of the website will rig the numbers to coincide with the awards.
*Cynical* evelyn
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (10:20)
#385
Evelyn!! You're not going to believe this. This Year's Love is going to show at the Santa Barbara Intl Film Fest, which begins March 2.
Here's the url at Variety:
http://www.variety.com/article.asp?articleID=1117776079
Films among the U.S. preems are �If You Only Knew,� toplined by Johnathon Schaech; �The Spreading Ground,� Dennis Hopper; �The Annihilation of Fish,� James Earl Jones; �It�s the Rage,� Gary Sinise and Joan Allen; �Passion,� Barbara Hershey; and �This Year�s Love,� Catherine McCormack.
For fest passes and a complete schedule of events call, (805) 963-4408 or log on to www.sbfilmfestival.org.
~amw
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (14:46)
#386
Evelyn, how about this then, from today ES Theatre Section:-
"ACT sale hit by price of Success: .... this week The Real Thing broke the theatre's all-time box office record." All-time record, can you believe it.
~lafn
Thu, Feb 3, 2000 (18:10)
#387
Ann.....Evelyn...this week The Real Thing broke the theatre's all-time box
office record." All-time record, can you believe it.
And that's 800 seats/performance.!!!
(Karen)Evelyn!! You're not going to believe this. This Year's Love is going to show at the Santa Barbara Intl Film Fest, which begins March 2.
*evelyn...smiling...like a dog eating..----!*
~CherylB
Fri, Feb 4, 2000 (16:13)
#388
Well I finally got to the new site. It's really good to find all of you again. Thank you for the virtual birthday party, it was great. My actual birthday celebration(s) were very nice too. I posted about them on the old site, which was the only one I could access. As per usual, I was much too verbose.
It figures that my birthday would happen at the time Spring is in upheaval. But I won't take it personally that, my birthday party and response weren't transfered to Spring's new site. I swear computers have it in for me. At work the running joke is I'm always the first person to be thrown out of certain programs or whose computer crashes. In the future, when artificial intelligence is perfected, an unintentional offshoot will be artificial mental illness. Just think you could get a bi-polar computer or even one that's obsessive-compulsive; it would just keep doing the same thing over and over. Mine would no doubt go shopping for itself on the web. Because of online shopping, it would know my credit card number and decide to buy itself some new software, sent overnight mail of course. Sorry, I'm being silly.
Thanks again to Karen, Moon, KJArt, Evelyn, Heide, Gi, and Eileen for all your birthday felicitations. I hope that's everyone, and the right names. Now I can't access the old site.
Lastly, Happy Chinese New Year. It's the year of the dragon, I'm not certain what that entails, but I am being taken out for the multi-course Chinese dinner.
It is good to be back.
~patas
Sat, Feb 5, 2000 (05:08)
#389
CherylB, I think Darlene left you her belated birthday wishes too at the old site, I went in today to check for stragglers and there they were... :-)
The url is http://206.97.234.70/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/127/new and it is still accessible if you want to go there.
~lafn
Sat, Feb 5, 2000 (09:23)
#390
HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR..
GOOD HEALTH AND GOOD FORTUNE IN THE YEAR OF THE DRAGON 4698
~KarenR
Sat, Feb 5, 2000 (09:54)
#391
And a Happy New Year from me too!!
~amw
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (03:27)
#392
More Ralph Feinnes on the front cover of the Sunday Times Culture section, how I wish Colin has as much exposure, however, some news that Sunshine starring Jennifer Ehle and her mother oh and RF, opens on the 2st April, and not 7th April as originaly suggested,
~amw
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (03:28)
#393
that should be the 21st April.
~patas
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (05:28)
#394
Happy year of the Dragon everyone!
(This is as near a dragon as i could get in the spur of the moment)
Can someone tell me:
a. Why is the numerical Spring location still up?
b. Why can't we see the list of the most recent postings in this one?
c. Why can't some graphics (e.g. the Amazon.com button)show up here yet?
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (09:07)
#395
a) No idea. The company has not shut it down yet.
b) They haven't fixed that yet.
c) Someone has to fix the urls, which point to the wrong place. Like the background, which didn't show up initially. wer fixed that, and he will get around to bringing back our other buttons and customizing our conference page.
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (10:23)
#396
Headline story from The Sunday Times:
Disney takes over as dome boss is sacked
[last paragraph] Gerbeau will look immediately at the issue of admission
prices.
~amw
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (10:25)
#397
Oh no, I have just bought our tickets for April!!
~amw
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (10:30)
#398
Oh forgot to say that TRT is the No.1 play in London now, has taken over from The Lady in a Van and if Friday night is anything to go by it will stay there, the audience loved it.
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (10:55)
#399
About BBC Drama, with Colin mention:
WHY THERE'S MONEY IN THOSE TV FLOPS (4/2/00)
Only four million of us tuned into the first episode, and barely half that number have stayed the course. With the final part due to go out on Monday night, it's no longer just a matter of the critics carping. Gormenghast is officially a flop. The BBC denies it, of course. Alan Ayres, the publicity commissioner for BBC2 drama, says the figures for the opening episode were a "terrific success". But a couple of years ago the Beeb admitted that its adaptation of Ivanhoe was an "honourable failure" - and that drew eight million.
The Beeb will plead that you never get a huge audience on BBC2, which begs the question why a GBP6million adaptation was scheduled there. And that doesn't explain why half the viewers who did watch the adaptation of Mervyn Peake's work decided so quickly to give up the Gormen-ghost.
We know the real reason. The series was slated by the critics as a badly written, self-indulgent turn-off. Grotesque characters babbled incoherently, and nobody seemed to care whether we understood what was going on. The world of Gormenghast was like nothing we have seen before, but the story of high costs, overinflated expectations and pitiful ratings is familiar. For this isn't the first BBC flagship drama to sink. Gormenghast is the latest in a fleet of them.
That "honourable failure" Ivanhoe was so difficult to follow that most of us gave up trying. At GBP5million, it was only just cheaper than Gormenghast. Even more expensive was the eight-part biopic Rhodes. The series was 10 years in the making and involved 10,000 extras. Unfortunately, each episode also felt like it lasted 10 years. It cost a cool GBP10million.
Then there was Nostromo, starring Colin "Mr Darcy" Firth. Half the nation may have drooled over Firth in his wet breeches, and six million people tuned into a repeat of Pride And Prejudice in the same year, but only 1.5 million stayed loyal to the GBP5million Nostromo. Other flops included A Year In Provence and the interminable Seaforth. And never forget the disastrous Eldorado. Set in a specially built village outside Malaga, the "sun, sex and sangria" soap was actually more like a dose of Spanish flu. Another GBP10million was sneezed away.
But the turn-offs need putting in context. For every Nostromo there is a David Copperfield or a Pride And Prejudice. And even if a series is a flop at home, the BBC can point to some staggering successes in persuading television companies overseas to buy our rejects. Rhodes was sold to Canada, Australia and South Africa for GBP15million. The Canadians and Aussies loved A Year In Provence, earning the BBC a healthy GBP10million, and Seaforth found an audience in Holland, Denmark, Finland, Hong Kong and Romania, recouping about half of its GBP10million budget. Most remarkably of all, Eldorado has struck gold in Sweden, Poland, New Zealand, Mauritius, Australia and Russia, earning a staggering GBP20million.
Sure enough foreign viewers are already coming to the rescue of Gormenghast. The series has already sold to Greece, Poland, South Africa, Hungary, Australia and New Zealand, and more deals are expected. "It's selling extremely well and we're very confident it will recoup the original BBC investment," says Mary Collins, head of publicity at BBC Worldwide. She also stresses that the cost of Gormenghast was split with co-producers WGBH in Boston and a Canadian television company called Chum, so the licence-payer is not responsible for the full GBP6million. She says it is quite normal for a programme to be made with one eye on the foreign rights if the producers think it will sell.
~lafn
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (12:46)
#400
I thought that RF article in the London Times was rather cruel...
Titled "Fogey Bare" an Old Fogey at 37? C'mon. And those buns look pretty good
in the End of the Affair". The last line of the article was really the killer:
"But remember, even Olivier did coffee commercials in the end."
Those UK journalists really know how to get to a fella'. And that's a
mainstream paper...not a tabloid. No wonder Colin doesn't like to do interviews.
Who needs these assaults?
~Arami
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (14:22)
#401
"Fogey Bare" is also a play on "Yogi Bear" - I can't see a connection, can anyone else? Enlighten me, please.
It's very true that an awful lot of the popular media in the UK seem to go for merciless teasing and even ridicule in their reviews and interviews. Often it's pretty tiresome: sometimes hinting at malicious and offensive. It's some kind of a trend, I guess, and the problem is that they all try to outdo one another. They think it's funny, you see.
~lafn
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (15:27)
#402
(Arami)"Fogey Bare" is also a play on "Yogi Bear" - I can't see a connection, can anyone else? Enlighten me, please.
"The phrase that's been used, and it's not nice, is: old fogey. Or is it young fogey? At his age, who can tell? "London Times
I ,too, can't see the connection with Yogi Bear.
My take on "fogey" was old at 37 to be "bare" as in his bum in the "End of the Affair" ...a real "rumpy -pumpy" which the UK rated as NC 18.
We got the R-rated cleaned-up version which was steamy but not raunchy.
I still think it's beneath the eminent London Times to stoop to tabloid journalism.
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (17:03)
#403
Maybe the connection was with Yogi's sidekick Booboo Bear? ;-)
BTW, I had no problem with the buns on display and I didn't count how many times they went up and down. Something is wrong with people who do IMO.
~Arami
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (21:09)
#404
Booboo Bore, more likely. ;-)
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 6, 2000 (22:59)
#405
From Monday's Times:
THE low-budget Asian comedy East is East was named film of the year at the Evening Standard British Film Awards last night.
The bleakly comic tale of a traditional Muslim father forced to review long-held beliefs by his seven westernised and rebellious children took the Best Film award at the Savoy Hotel, London.
Among the other winners, Jeremy Northam was Best Actor for his roles in An Ideal Husband and The Winslow Boy and Samantha Morton was named Best Actress for her performance in Dreaming of Joseph Lees.
Notting Hill confirmed its status as the highest-grossing home-grown film of all time by winning the Peter Sellers Award for Comedy. Tom Stoppard capped a highly successful year by winning his third major Best Screenplay prize for Shakespeare in Love.
A Special Award for Lifetime Achievement was handed to the cinematographer Freddie Francis by Jessica Lange, the double Oscar-winning actress, who worked with him on Martin Scorsese's 1992 remake of Cape Fear.
The success of East is East, directed by Damien O'Donnell and starring Linda Bassett, follows several other awards for the film. Last year its scriptwriter, Ayub Khan-Din, won Best Original Screenplay title at the British Independent Film Awards, and Bassett was named Best Actress at the Valladolid International Film Festival, with O'Donnell taking the Golden Spike.
Guests at last night's event included Madonna, who arrived with her British boyfriend, Guy Ritchie, the director of the gangland comedy Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.
The Evening Standard critic Neil Norman said that judging had been difficult because of the high number of eligible candidates.
The awards, formerly known as the Evening News British Film Awards, were first presented in 1973. Judges this year were Norman, Angie Errigo of Empire magazine, the Evening Standard film critic Alexander Walker, Derek Malcolm of The Guardian and the journalist and broadcaster Mark Lawson.
~EileenG
Mon, Feb 7, 2000 (09:58)
#406
WHY THERE'S MONEY IN THOSE TV FLOPS (4/2/00)
Thanks for this, Karen. I fail to see why the author's so upset--after all, *they* didn't do 'Leprechauns.'
Saw Onegin on TV Saturday night. Rafie was brooding for a change *snicker* but was tremendous compared to Liv. The film was pretty to look at, though.
Benedict Nightingale gushed about TRT in yesterday's NYT. There was also a large advance ticket sales ad, featuring an extreme, grainy close up of JE and SD smooching.
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 7, 2000 (10:11)
#407
after all, *they* didn't do 'Leprechauns.'
*hee hee* I've been seeing commercials for another BIG special (can't remember the name), but it looks like they got to reuse the costumes from Leprechauns. ;-)
~lafn
Mon, Feb 7, 2000 (11:42)
#408
..... Jeremy Northam was Best Actor for his roles in An Ideal Husband
and The Winslow Boy
Hooray....at last someone recognized this guy's talent in these two films...which no one saw (TWB).And both lost $$$$.
~~~~~~~
Benedict Nightingale gushed about TRT in yesterday's NYT. There was also a large advance ticket sales ad, ..
Selling tickets now til August. First few weeks in April sold out.
The PR people are going great guns with ads in the NYTimes. I'm looking for the website...
~CherylB
Mon, Feb 7, 2000 (17:31)
#409
Thanks Gi for posting the URL link to the old site; I did find Darlene's birthday wishes there. Thank you Darlene.
RE: The Year of the Dragon -- I love all the dragons adorning this board. In honor of it being the Year of the Dragon, I should get some Oolong tea. "Oolong" is a variant of "wu long", which means "black dragon". If I remember any Chinese folklore correctly, the Black Dragon was the symbol of the emperor.
Since it's the time of year of for film awards, I'm going to post the winners of the National Society of Film Critics. These are American film awards similar to the New York Film Critics Circle and the National Board of Review. They are as follows:
Best Film
"Being John Malkovich" and "Topsy-Turvy" (tie)
Best Actor
Russell Crowe, "The Insider"
Best Actress
Reese Witherspoon, "Election"
Best Director
Mike Leigh, "Topsy-Turvy"
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 7, 2000 (18:00)
#410
Another article about Hits & Misses; this time from the Guardian (2/5). A stufy must have been released for all the newspapers to have glommed onto this:
COSTUME DRAMA: THE TRIUMPHS AND THE TURKEYS
The hits
Pride and Prejudice
The 1995 BBC1 adaptation became required viewing for an average 10m a week. Some 11.3m saw the final episode.
Enthusiasm was fired by news of the true off-screen romance between Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle - Mr Darcy and Lizzie Bennett - and, among female viewers, his penchant for tight breeches and wet shirts.
Moll Flanders
With its 17 sex scenes, ITV's bodice-ripping 1996 adaptation, again by Andrew Davies, lured 13m viewers. The BBC's rival offering, Anne Bronte's bleaker and more demure The Tenant of Wildfell Hall, drew in around 4m fewer.
Brideshead Revisited
Figures no longer exist to attest to this ITV adaption's popularity, but it was widely-acclaimed, and brought Evelyn Waugh's tale of Sebastian Flyte and his teddy bear to the masses.
Wives and Daughters
Elizabeth Gaskell's tale of love and marriage, screened on BBC1 last autumn, was initially beaten by ITV's adaptation of Oliver Twist in the ratings, drawing 7.2m viewers for the initial episode compared to its rival's 8.4m. However, on average, 7.95m viewers tuned in for each episode.
Oliver Twist
Bleasdale's acclaimed, though not entirely faithful, adaptation starring Robert Lindsay and Julie Walters just pipped Wives and Daughters at 8m viewers per episode.
The misses
Gormenghast
The lavish BBC2 drama has lost 40% of its viewers since its opening episode - with ratings falling from 4.2m to 2.5m.
Rhodes
An unprecedented flop. The pounds 10m BBC1 production about the story of Cecil Rhodes and the founding of Rhodesia boasted superb scenery and Martin Shaw as the star. The 1996 serial slumped to 4.8m viewers, from 7.6m, after just one episode.
Hornblower
Despite being - at pounds 12m - the most expensive TV dramatisation ever, ITV's seafaring saga drew in just 6m viewers. The cherubic Ioan Gruffudd in breeches was insufficient compensation for a lack of strong females.
Nostromo
'Don't touch Conrad,' the novelist and academic David Lodge warned BBC1 after they had commissioned this adaptation. The four-part 1997 serial flopped, drawing in less than 3m viewers.
Vanity Fair
Not an unmitigated disaster, but Andrew Davies' 1998 adaptation of Thackery's novel was initially dubbed 'Vanity Flop' after the 7.8m who tuned into the first episode slumped to 6.8m a week later. It was beaten by the 9.9m who tuned in for the ITV detective series, Taggart.
~lafn
Mon, Feb 7, 2000 (19:56)
#411
Thanks Karen...
Poor "Nostromo"...not even an off-screen romance with Serena would have helped that one.
~~~~~~
I just saw the first episode of Madam Bovary last night and don't think I'll bother next week.Although Frances O'Conner is a more acceptable
MB than she was Fanny Price in "Mansfield Park".
~~~~~
"Oliver Twist "coming this spring looks promising...with a knock-out cast.
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 7, 2000 (22:34)
#412
Did you notice that the production specifically said BBC "America" and WGBH? Was it shown in England? BTW, this was probably the most risque program PBS has ever shown!! Yowza, that Greg Wise in the woods. ;-)
~amw
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (02:02)
#413
Oliver Twist is excellent, I higly recommend it.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (08:42)
#414
A veritable Who's Who Minus One:
Waiting for Beckett
By Karen Fricker
DUBLIN (Variety) - The full canon of Samuel Beckett's dramatic work -- 19 plays in all -- is being filmed for television with top flight talent including director Neil Jordan and actress Julianne Moore.
Two plays have already been filmed: ``What Where,'' directed by up-and-comer Damien O'Donnell (''East Is East''), and ''Endgame,'' directed by playwright Conor McPherson (''The Weir'') and featuring Michael Gambon and David Thewlis.
Other talent associated with the project includes Judi Dench, Harold Pinter, Tom Stoppard, David Mamet, Richard Eyre, John Boorman and Jim Sheridan.
The project marks the first time that the Beckett estate has awarded the complete film rights to all of the writer's stage works.
Filming will continue through the summer, and the project is set to hit Irish and British TV screens in the autumn. Representatives from Irish national broadcaster RTE, which is coproducing with Britain's Channel 4, report ``serious interest'' from several American broadcasters, including PBS, in buying U.S. broadcast rights to the series.
While some casting and directing decisions remain open, those assigned include artist Damien Hirst, directing the 45-second-long ``Breath''; Jordan directing Moore in ``Not I,'' in which only the actress's mouth is visible; Stoppard helming ''Ohio Impromptu''; Mamet directing Pinter in ``Catastrophe''; and Eyre directing Dench in ``Rockaby.'' Former Beckett assistant Walter Asmus will direct ``Waiting for Godot,'' while actor John Hurt is attached to ``Krapp's Last Tape.''
~LauraMM
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (10:29)
#415
Just read this in Broadcasting & Cable Mag
NBC PILOT IS AROUND THE CORONER
NBC has ordered a pilot from GBTV, the U.S. programming venture with BBC Worldwide and Granada Media, based on the British crime series Silent Witness. The order is the first fruit of the deal between Britain's two largest TV production companies to develop and produce shows for U.S. broadcasters based on British formats. The pilot is scheduled to begin shooting in March. GBTV will produce in partnership with NBC Studios and Columbia TriStar. The central character is a female coroner.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (10:39)
#416
I thought Cold Feet (which didn't last long) was the first such venture?
~LauraMM
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (13:26)
#417
I haven't a clue, Karen. I'd never even heard of the venture until I read this. I've seen Silent Witness on A&E, it was okay, not great. Cracker (British) was awesome, but the American version tanked. Only British game shows seem to make here. And that's my final answer, Reege.
~amw
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (17:21)
#418
News Flash Evelyn, JE & SD won the Best Actress and Best Actor awards at The Variety Club Showbusiness Awards today, for their performances in The Real Thing. Also Jeremy Northam won the award for Best Film Actor.
~lafn
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (20:01)
#419
Thanks Ann: Here's the URL:
http://www.eventselector.co.uk/news/950010231_9892.html
VARIETY Club Showbusiness Awards now in their 48th year. Ceremony at the London Hilton on Park Lane.Will be televised
Winners were judged by a panel of showbusiness and entertainment professionals for their 1999 achievements.
Best Screen Actor JN
Best Actress Catherine Zeta-Jones
"Best Stage Actor was won by Stephen Dillane and Best Stage Actress by Pride and Prejudice star Jennifer Ehle."
Will be televised on BBC1 on Sunday Feb 13.
~~~~~~~
(I like the way they keep bringing up P&P. US adverts are using P&P too.
"JE from A&E's Pride & Prejudice".)
~baine
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (21:11)
#420
What did Stephen Dillane win for? Was he just on the stage? That is he I saw in Firelight and Deja Vu, isn't it? Both roles were rather lacking in pizzazz I thought, esp the latter where he looked as though he didn't much like his costar and was bored by the whole experience. Anybody got suggestions for something good?
~mari
Tue, Feb 8, 2000 (21:56)
#421
Great news for Jennifer! Those awards count, don't kid yourself. Which film did Northam win the Variety award for? He was terrific in The Winslow Boy, and he and Julianne Moore made An Ideal Husband marginally watchable--but just.;-) . And I'm almost afraid to ask what Zeta-Jones won for . . .;-)
(Cymbeline) What did Stephen Dillane win for? Was he just on the stage? That is he I saw in Firelight and Deja Vu, isn't it? Both roles were rather lacking in pizzazz I thought, esp the latter where he looked as though he didn't much like his costar and was bored by the whole experience. Anybody got suggestions for something good?
Dillane is currently appearing with JE in The Real Thing for about another month, then they move it to Broadway. I'm not familiar with Deja Vu, but yes that was him in Firelight. As for suggestions for something good--do they have to be Dillane related?;-) If so, Welcome to Sarajevo with SD and Woody Harrelson, is good.
If you're just looking for newish good rents in general, I'd recommend The Winslow Boy (which I think just came out here on video today); Limbo, with Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and David Stathairn--written and directed by one of my faves, John Sayles; purely for light fun, The Thomas Crown Affair--breezy and sexy and what a relief to see a middle-aged man paired with a middle-aged woman!
One I would *not* recommend: Tea With Mussolini. Yuck.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (08:37)
#422
The Guardian has a printed an extensive group of interviews with Ralph Fiennes, Neil Jordan and Stephen Woolley done following the NFT premiere of The End of the Affair. It's in three parts (the links are on the left). Start here:
http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/Guardian_NFT/interview/0,4479,132683,00.html
~EileenG
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (09:46)
#423
Best Actress Catherine Zeta-Jones
Well, that lets some air out of the balloon, doesn't it?
(Mari) And I'm almost afraid to ask what Zeta-Jones won for . . .;-)
Best Beautiful Body Contorting Around Red Yarn in the Presence of a Man Nearly Twice Her Age (kind of long--must be a big trophy).
~lafn
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (09:49)
#424
New website for Broadway's THE REAL THING:
http://www.therealthingbroadway.com
Great Darcy-like- liplock between Jennifer and SD.Must be the same pic as advert from NYTimes.It's not grainy, Eileen...symbolic ..for "love".Part of the ambience of the play.
~~~~~~
Interestingly...it mentions among the presenters...."Miramax Films"...
"C'mon, Harvey...waddaya have up ya' sleeve?"The guy never spends a dime without a reason!!
~EileenG
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (09:55)
#425
It's not grainy, Eileen
Watch your mailbox for the next few days...
"C'mon, Harvey...waddaya have up ya' sleeve?" The guy never spends a dime without a reason!!
My thoughts, too. Although he's likely looking to recoup some of his losses incurred by Talk Mag--until last weekend, that is, when Scream 3 made a killing (yukyuk) at the BO.
~LauraMM
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (09:57)
#426
Catherine Zeta-Jones is IMNSHO the worst actress. I think they were looking at her breasts when they were watching whatever movie she was in!
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (10:06)
#427
Best Beautiful Body Contorting Around Red Yarn in the Presence of a Man Nearly Twice Her Age
Nearly? Try more than. ;-)
What was she in last year? Entrapment and The Haunting? Save me.
Nice website, Evelyn. Too bad the Donmar didn't spring for one like that for 3DOR.
~amw
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (10:12)
#428
Janie Dee won The Critic's Circle Awards announced today, she on a hat-trick with The Olivier Awards. Henry Goodman won the Best Actor.
~Allison2
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (11:56)
#429
Janie Dee won The Critic's Circle Awards announced today
Words fail me! That play was sooooo bad! And can any one tell me what was so special about SD's performance? It was fine but I cannot see what was so great about it. Or is my CF partiality blinding me to the merits of others?
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (12:57)
#430
(Allison) Or is my CF partiality blinding me to the merits of others?
I had an *eye* problem as well during TRT, but I think it was severe jetlag that was forcing my lids down.
The role of Henry is a very good one, full of dramatic and comic potential. I almost think anyone could have a bravura performance in it. Wish I had seen it at the Donmar (up close) rather than at the Albery (further back) because if there were subtleties to the performance, then I didn't pick them up...up in the dress circle (?) or first balcony as we would call it.
~lafn
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (14:25)
#431
From the NY Daily News:
Miramax Is Going Broadway
For the first time in its 20-year history Miramax Films is backing a Broadway
play. The company has agreed to co-finance the Tom Stoppard revival "The Real Thing," which opens a 20-week limited
engagement on the Great White Way on April 17.
Stoppard, you'll recall, was the co-writer of Miramax' enormously successful Academy Award winner "Shakespeare in Love," so
his relationship with company honcho Harvey Weinstein is nothing if not strong.
"I am pleased to be teaming up again with Harvey, a long-standing admirer of my play," Stoppard said. "The Real Thing," a humorous play within a play about marriage and pop culture,currently is running in London. The plan, according to Miramax reps, is for the London co-stars Stephen Dillane and Jennifer Ehle to come to New York when the play closes there March 18.
Miramax and Universal already co-own the
film rights to "The Real Thing."
This co-venture with producers Anita Waxman, Elizabeth Williams and Ron Kastner could be the first of a number
of Broadway shows for Miramax. Another project thateinstein has his eye on for Broadway is a musical adaptation of
"Cinema Paradiso."
As for Weinstein himself, he is said to be feeling "fantastic," to quote someone at Miramax, and is expected back at work
soon following what must have been a major ordeal fighting off a bacterial infection.
I asked a Miramax rep whether it was safe to pencil in Weinstein as
a definite for the March 26 Oscars in Los Angeles. "Count on it," he replied.
~~~~~~~~~
I have always wanted to see Colin playing Henry.....Perhaps, the film?
As Bethan would say..."I am very, very optimistic."
~lafn
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (14:35)
#432
(evelyn)It's not grainy, Eileen
(Eileen)Watch your mailbox for the next few days...
I don't get it.....
~~~~~~~~
(Karen)The role of Henry is a very good one, full of dramatic and comic potential. I almost think anyone could have a bravura performance in it.
(Allison) And can any one tell me what was so special about
SD's performance? It was fine but I cannot see what was so great about it
We always said TRT was a better play for showcasing acting talents. As Karen says anyonecould have a winning performance. Though easy to overact. Both Colin and SD have similar acting styles...I have no doubt Colin would have won in this play.
~EileenG
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (14:49)
#433
(Evelyn)I don't get it.....
You will, you will (she says mysteriously). ;-D
Stoppard, you'll recall, was the co-writer of Miramax' enormously successful Academy Award winner "Shakespeare in Love," so his relationship with company honcho Harvey Weinstein is nothing if not strong.
'Natch. Stoppard's great, isn't he? It was his talent that made SiL what it was. Remember how what's-his-name Norman kept taking all the screenwriting credit?
~CherylB
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (17:04)
#434
I had read at some screenwriting sites that Stoppard is responsible for only about 25% of the screenplay for "Shakespeare in Love". Mark Norman had the right to be listed first as author because most of the material was his. Also the screenplay languished for roughly 5 years, because of casting problems, not because it was deemed sub-standard. Tom Stoppard was hired by Harvey Weinstein because of the prestige his name would carry. Snob appeal.
Interestingly there is a something of a backlash toward Miramax, due to some hard feelings about the slick marketing involved in making SIL a multi Oscar winner. Hardly anyone in Hollywood thinks it deserved to win Best Picture, that should have been "Saving Private Ryan". There is also a feeling that "The Truman Show" was far more deserving to win Best Screenplay. Please don't take offence, that's just the prevailing mindset now.
~CherylB
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (17:12)
#435
I'm a Generation X'er, okay. I cannot spell, that is why Spell Check was invented, but I don't think it's on this site. The name of the co-author of SIL should be Marc Norman.
~heide
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (19:31)
#436
No offense, of course, Cheryl. I think you got the sentiment down right, Hardly anyone in Hollywood thinks it deserved to win Best Picture but in the rest of the world outside of Hollywood, SIL was enthrallingly different. I never though Private Ryan should beat out SIL...can't say anything about The Truman Show since I didn't see it.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (19:34)
#437
Sorry, I disagree, immensely about SPR and do believe (despite the amount of money spent by Miramax) that SiL deserved the Oscar. SPR was a great war epic, but nothing distinguished it above all the others that have preceded it. But that just MHO.
(Cheryl) Mark Norman had the right to be listed first as author because most of the material was his.
Percentage of material is not how the Writers Guild determines order of credit. Norman got first billing because it was his script/idea first. I have an early version of SiL (pre-Stoppard's involvement) and, believe you me, that man despite his master's credentials would not be capable of writing the dialogue in the final movie. That script is dated 6/1/92 and only has Marc Norman's name on it. It is swill, tripe, !@$% etc. Bears no resemblance to the movie we all saw, probably only 1-2 scenes continued into the end product. Viewed against Stoppard's other works, SiL (final form) is most definitely in his voice with his humor. One does not pull a plum like this out of a "Cutthroat Island" ;-)
~mari
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (21:53)
#438
I have to agree with Cheryl here: SPR should have won, IMO. That's not taking anything away from SIL, which was very good, but I like my Oscar winners to touch my heart *and* my intellect, which SPR did. SIL appealed to the brain only, IMO. Moreover, SPR wasn't just another war movie to me. It examined issues of honor and integrity; of why we fight wars; of subordinating a group's needs to those of an individual; and so much more. Better still, it provided no easy, pat answers. And, I feel it honored the people of my parents' generation who preserved a way of life as we know it.
Cheryl, one theory I've read which seems to make some sense is: most of the Academy members don't bother to get off their asses to actual see the films in the cinema, so they wind up watching on the videos/DVDs that the members get. The film that comes across best on the big screen (SPR) is at a distinct disadvantage. The film that transfers better to the small screen (SIL) has the upper hand. Just a theory, but I think it's an interesting one.
Hey, the Oscar noms are announced next week (Tuesday?). Anyone interested in a discussion/predictions? It's not necessary to have seen a lot of films to have an opinion--that never stops the Academy.;-)
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 9, 2000 (22:36)
#439
Mari, there are lots of theories about why SPR didn't get it last year, ranging from Spielberg already won for Schindler's List or the Best Director was a cut- the-child-in-half approach, but the one I subscribe to is: it didn't get enough votes. ;-)
Using my convoluted logic, Spielberg's Dreamworks org will get it this year to make up for last year. Therefore, my risky predictions for nominations: American Beauty for Best Picture, Best Director and Best Actor (and the full complement of Best Other Stuff: writing, art design, cinematograhy, etc.)
Denzel is a given and I'd say THE leading contender, notwithstanding what all the critics have already said. Denzel will get the votes. His performance is a touching one (brings tears to your eyes several times), and the Academy likes when an actor has to undergo physical changes (buffs up and frails down), just putting on the pounds and dying your hair like Russell Crowe is not enough. ;-) Personally, I liked The Hurricane much better than The Insider. Even though you know the outcome of both, I was engrossed with TH and touched by it.
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 10, 2000 (08:06)
#440
Speaking of the Writers Guild, here are its nominations:
Best Screenplay Written Directly for the Screen:
-- "American Beauty" by Alan Ball
-- "Being John Malkovich" by Charlie Kaufman
-- "Magnolia" by Paul Thomas Anderson
-- "The Sixth Sense" by M. Night Shyamalan
-- "Three Kings," Screenplay by David O. Russell, Story by John Ridley
Best Screenplay Based on Material Previously Produced or Published:
-- "The Cider House Rules" by John Irving
-- "Election" by Alexander Payne & Jim Taylor. Based on the novel by Tom Perrotta
-- "The Insider" by Eric Roth & Michael Mann. Based on the article "The Man Who Knew Too Much" by Marie Brenner
-- "October Sky" by Lewis Colick. Based on the book "Rocket Boys" by Homer H. Hickam, Jr.
-- "The Talented Mr. Ripley" by Anthony Minghella, Based on the novel by Patricia Highsmith.
Remember, at the Oscars, only people in the Writers Guild can vote for writing awards.
~lafn
Thu, Feb 10, 2000 (14:32)
#441
Notice from Yahoo:
Actor Rupert Everett chats about his new film "The Next Best Thing" on Sunday, February 13th at 9pET/6pPT in Yahoo Chat.
Where's Moon?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Think we'll get ODB on some time?
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 10, 2000 (14:37)
#442
Moon is on vacation...AGAIN!! She'll be back in time to join in on the Rupe chat.
~mari
Thu, Feb 10, 2000 (15:57)
#443
(Evelyn) Think we'll get ODB on some time?
Checking his schedule here, I see it's penciled in for the 12th of never. Rain date: when pigs fly. ;-)
Hey, that's a good-looking site for TRT. Harve has his hand in every pot, doesn't he? I'm all set: 6th row!
~lafn
Thu, Feb 10, 2000 (17:14)
#444
Hey, that's a good-looking site for TRT. Harve has his hand in every pot, doesn't he? I'm all set:6th row!
You'll be able to see his big brown eyes from there....better than the Royal Mezzanine...(I don't care if Prince Charles likes those seats...I don't)
I just called and they are selling tickets til August 13th.
Eileen was kind enough to send me the NY Times advert last Sunday...full lenigh of the page...a third of the page wide....like big! Actually, I don't think it looks like Jennifer....dark hair? Annie is a blonde.
I bet Harvey makes them do interviews.He got Colin to go to the Berlinale.
~heide
Thu, Feb 10, 2000 (19:12)
#445
(me) I never though Private Ryan should beat out SIL..
(Karen) Sorry, I disagree, immensely about SPR
Gulp! I hope you weren't talking to me. I see I left out my "t" at the end of "thought" and therefore my meaning may have been misinterpreted. I agree w/you, Karen. Though SPR was several cuts above most of Spielberg's work, I feel he's a master manipulator and never quite trust the emotions he's attempting to pull. IMHO too, of course. Had to set my record straight and the fact that CF was in SIL has no bearing on my opinion whatsoever. ;-)
~lafn
Thu, Feb 10, 2000 (20:49)
#446
From playbill.com
MIRAMAX JOINS PRODUCTION OF THE REAL THING
"Miramax Films has joined the production team for Broadway's The Real Thing, set to start previews March 29 for an opening April 17 at the Barrymore Theatre. The film company joins Anita Waxman, Elizabeth Williams, Ron Kastner and Associated Capital Theatre, Ltd. on the project.
Miramax co-chairman Harvey Weinstein told Variety he'd already been fond of several of the show's principles, including author Tom Stoppard and stars Stephen Dillane and Jennifer Ehle. "But after attending three performances of The Real Thing at the Donmar Warehouse last summer, I fell in love with this production," Weinstein said. The company and Universal Pictures already own the film rights to the play. Variety notes that sources are saying Miramax may invest in other plays, but only as a co-financing partner. "
~~~~~~~
Harve has seen it almost as many times as we have, Ann!
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 10, 2000 (22:57)
#447
(Heide) Had to set my record straight and the fact that CF was in SIL has no bearing on my opinion whatsoever. ;-)
I understand completely. No bearing whatsoever. ;-)
~EileenG
Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (10:21)
#448
Another of the many theories postulated about why SiL beat SPR: actors, who make up a good part of the Oscar voting contingent, were thrilled to pieces that the movie captured their profession so well.
(Cheryl) Mark Norman had the right to be listed first as author because most of the material was his.
(Karen) That script is dated 6/1/92 and only has Marc Norman's name on it. It is swill, tripe, !@$% etc.
Have to agree with Karen here. Eons ago I had read excerpts of the original script. The end product is Stoppard all the way.
(Cheryl) Hardly anyone in Hollywood thinks it deserved to win Best Picture, that should have been "Saving Private Ryan". There is also a feeling that "The Truman Show" was far more deserving to win Best Screenplay. Please don't take offence, that's just the prevailing mindset now.
Are you in the b'ness? It always helps to have an insider in our midst!
Glad to hear your postal carrier is more efficient than Karen's, Evelyn ;-).
full length of the page
Almost. There were a few small ads under it. It was very eye-catching, though.
~SusanMC
Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (11:52)
#449
(Evelyn) I bet Harvey makes them (JE and SD) do interviews. He got Colin to go to the Berlinale.
And I think another appearance on "Rosie" is a safe bet, too, since she's such a huge theatre fan. Maybe she'll talk Jennifer into bringing her mum along this time;-)
~EileenG
Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (13:57)
#450
The mother-daughter Broadway team angle will surely be part of TRT's overall publicity scheme, I would think. It will help Jen's name recognition problem. Bet they save Rosie until Tony-time if both are nommed.
~lafn
Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (15:07)
#451
The mother-daughter Broadway team angle will surely be part of TRT's overall publicity scheme,I would think. It will help Jen's name recognition problem. Bet they save Rosie until Tony-time if both are nommed.
Wait a minute.....this play hasn't even been previewed on Broadway yet...
I am so thrilled that JE is going to be on Broadway.
This is her first time there....she's young....v. limited stage experience.Was only a supporting actress in "Tartuffe" in 1991(RSC at Stratford summer of 95)
Let's not get into the Tony business yet.That's setting myself up for unreal expectations.
Most of SD work has been on stage. He was on the short list for Evening Standard Award two years ago.He is 42 years old with lots of acting experience.
I would expect him to get more awards than she.
~EileenG
Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (16:17)
#452
Sorry, Ev, didn't mean to get you going (but when Harvey's involved...never mind). I am certain we'll hear that she's RH's daughter. Publicity for Waiting in the Wings has blossomed--full page ad in NYT two Sundays ago; lo and behold, when I opened my mailbox today, Lauren and Rosemary were smiling up at me from a mass-mailed brochure.
~CherylB
Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (16:26)
#453
(Eileen) Are you in the b'ness? It always helps to have an insider in our midst!
Sorry but I've only had limited exposure to the film industry, such as working on student films and doing storyboards for some independent shorts. I've worked in advertising, although one of my best friends is in the business.
Also, for those of you interested in the origins of SIL; you might want to read "No Bed for Bacon" by Caryl Brahms and S.J. Simon. There was some flak about Stoppard borrowing liberally from that comic novel. I think that there are some similarities, but not nearly enough to warrant plagerism. I also think that "No Bed for Bacon" is more well written than SIL.
On the point of screenplays, it's quite arcane as to not only the author order, but also who gets credit. Walter Hill still has no idea as to how he got the screenwriting credit on "The Macintosh Man". Kenneth Branagh got Oscar nomination for adapted screenplay for "Hamlet". Go figure. What did he adapt? He filmed a performance of Shakespeare's entire text. The screenwriting bylaws are something of an industry joke. Still, the revised screenplay by Stoppard may in fact bear little resemblence to the finished film. That is no reflection on Stoppard, it is simply a fact that very often a director may not want a particular scene, or want it rewritten, or simply change it to his liking. This can also hold true for producers and some actors with clout. Then again, there is a chance that the script written was pretty much the one which was shot.
Actually Mari there's a lot to be said about your theory on the Academy members, that they can't be bothered to actually go out and see these movies. So the one's in theatrical first release have an advantage over those on tape or DVD. I've also heard it said that many Academy members can't be bothered to vote, period. They give their ballots to their secretaries or personal assistants, and they are the ones who do the actual voting in some cases. I'm interested in an Oscar discussion, since you asked who would be.
What film would I have voted for had I been a member of the Academy? Sorry to tell you it would not have been SIL. It would have been "The Thin Red Line", a stunningly visual, visceral, and cerebral elegy from an estimable stylist, Terence Malik. The visual impact of it really got to me, but I was trained as an artist. I still respect the opinion of all of you who felt movie is best summed up by the phrase "snores galore".
~lafn
Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (16:32)
#454
(but when Harvey's involved...never mind). I am certain
we'll hear that she's RH's daughter. Publicity for Waiting in the Wings has blossomed
Know what you mean about Harvey.After the news that he's involved I decided to order my tickets for end of May.Good thing...."Waiting in the Wings" front sold out; I got two mid-orchestra....TRT I got the last two in the 6th row!
~~~~~
I only hope she gets good reviews on B'way...I don't expect a Tony.
An Olivier would be the real icing on the cake...she's played in two outstanding plays this season..(Both her leading men and directors are up for Oliviers too!)
That's an accolade in itself.
~EileenG
Fri, Feb 11, 2000 (16:35)
#455
(Cheryl) It would have been "The Thin Red Line", a stunningly visual, visceral, and cerebral elegy from an estimable stylist, Terence Malik. The visual impact of it really got to me, but I was trained as an artist. I still respect the opinion of all of you who felt movie is best summed up by the phrase "snores galore".
Oh, that would be me. TRL falls in my 'slowest movie of all time' category, slower than Meet Joe Black. Visual stunningness only gets me so far. Give me a SiL or a SPR anytime over that one. However, you're certainly not alone in your praise for the movie--it was nommed, after all.
~heide
Sat, Feb 12, 2000 (08:21)
#456
"But after attending three performances of The Real Thing at the Donmar
Warehouse last summer, I fell in love with this production," Weinstein
said
Damn. No one saw a piggy-eyed chubby guy with a cigar in his hand during 3DOR I gather.
~lafn
Sat, Feb 12, 2000 (10:41)
#457
No one saw a piggy-eyed chubby guy with a cigar in his hand during 3DOR I gather.
3 DOR wasn't playing in the summer.Also seen another time at TRT was
Stephen Speilberg with Tom Stoppard at the bar..
~heide
Sat, Feb 12, 2000 (16:28)
#458
I didn't say it was playing in the summer. Perhaps Harvey made it to London twice in one year! Not that we care.
~lafn
Sun, Feb 13, 2000 (15:21)
#459
Saw the Rafe article in the TIMES last night.
If my name was "Cosmo Landesman," I'd have a chip on my shoulder too.
Second week in a row that they are Rafe-trashing.And if he ever defects to the US, they'll wonder why.
They did the same thing with TEP...except when it won the Oscar, they had a lot to say about what a Great British film it was with an All British Cast and director."All sweetness and light."
Quite disengenuous.But it sells papers for them,I guess.
~baine
Sun, Feb 13, 2000 (19:22)
#460
(Evelyn)If my name was "Cosmo Landesman," I'd have a chip
on my shoulder too.
ROTFL as we say, Evelyn.
~Moon
Sun, Feb 13, 2000 (19:23)
#461
A Valentines wish from a very "in" couple:
"What about us for Bridget and Mark?"
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 13, 2000 (19:29)
#462
Oooo, I knew she'd hop on Rupe as soon as she got back! BTW, I saw the trailer for the film last week. Looked really cute. Also, Rupe's in her music vid for American Pie and he's wearing a sleeveless t-shirt. He works out. ;-)
~mari
Sun, Feb 13, 2000 (19:51)
#463
ACCKKKK!! Moon, that poster is all over the malls up here! (You want I should make off with one?;-) He and Madonna are on the cover of the March Vanity Fair, BTW.
Evelyn, LOL about Cosmo--and you are right about the Rafe-bashing. Sheesh, what are they, jealous? The guy works hard, chooses quality stuff with the best in the business, and supports his projects. Sounds like a solid citizen to me. And "Affair" is very good and he's fine, er, fienne, in it.;-)
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 13, 2000 (22:41)
#464
Lookie, what we got:
http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/40/new
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (08:11)
#465
Will you be my Valentine?
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (08:23)
#466
~baine
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (08:26)
#467
Roses are red
Banahnahs aren't blue.
The Look makes me drool.
And lose all sense of rhythm so completely that my poetry stops scanning and I can't for the life of me figure out what in the world to do.
~Moon
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (08:27)
#468
Yes! I am on my way. :-D
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (08:40)
#469
For the fairest of the fair, dear ladies of Spring
~Moon
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (08:52)
#470
And I can only add:
She Walks in Beauty
She walks in beauty like the night
Of cloudless climes and starry skies,
And all that's best of dark and bright
Meet in her aspect and her eyes;
Thus mellowed to the tender light
Which heaven to gaudy day denies.
One ray the more, one shade the less
Had half impaired the nameless grace
Which waves in every raven tress
Or softly lightens o'er her face,
Where thoughts serenely sweet express
How pure, how dear their dwelling place.
Lord Byron
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (09:20)
#471
Hmmm, Colin Firth's a better kisser
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (09:43)
#472
Interrupting our Valentine's Day festivities, here are a couple of news item:
Weinstein's back in public, less his smokes and 40 pounds
After months of speculation about the nature and seriousness of the illness that kept Miramax co-chairman Harvey Weinstein away from the day-to-day operations of his company, the Sundance Film Festival and the Golden Globe Awards, the executive suddenly emerged at a Feb. 9 party for the New York Post's Page Six. But Weinstein's tour of the Fashion Week fete, held at Guastavino's restaurant, was rather brief, said sources, who reported that he slipped out minutes after the shindig began, around 7:30 p.m. "Harvey and [brother and co-chair] Bob were the magnets in the room," reported one guest, who added that it was the first time he had seen Harvey without a lit cigarette. Despite heated industry speculation about just what ailment kept Harvey out of circulation, a company spokesman maintains it was a bacterial infection. Weinstein is now using a patch to curb his nicotine cravings and has lost approximately 40 pounds. Weinstein was unavailable for comment but is apparently back in business: Last week, he was
on the phone again chatting with top Hollywood executives.
AICN's Supposed Scoop on Oscar Noms
This site has published a listing of the top 8 vote getters (in alpha order). Whether this has any validity or not, an interesting omission is the dearth of Julianne Moore from any/multiple categories!
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=5216
~Moon
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (09:56)
#473
Thanks, Karen. Happy to see Sean Penn for Best Actor, I hope it sticks.
The Three Kings I have stated before should be in Best Picture. They nomited it for Best Director. I hate it when they do that.
Matt Damon is not worthy, IMO.
But, hey, it is only a game the Academy likes to play every March. ;-)
~mari
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (10:06)
#474
So Harve quit smoking *and* lost weight? Must be on the Colin Firth diet.;-)
Karen, Julianne is there, under Best Actress. Too bad Harry didn't have the guts to publish the five finalists in each category; we could have guessed who the eight were. Actually, this makes it more fun to speculate on who will be eliminated. Anybody want to go first?
Somebody at Price-Waterhouse is in deep doo-doo.;-)
~EileenG
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (10:11)
#475
Hmmm, Colin Firth's a better kisser
LOLOL! *wiping a tear* I must say, his outfit makes the picture.
Despite heated industry speculation about just what ailment kept Harvey out of circulation, a company spokesman maintains it was a bacterial infection.
Must have been that awful flesh-eating bacteria. Either that or 'ol H. merely ducked out to the fat farm. Good for him for getting his health in order, though. With his Type A+ personality, chain-smoking and extra weight he always struck me as a heart attack waiting to happen.
Happy Valentine's Day, everyone!
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (10:26)
#476
Don't I know it, sister! Where *do* they get these lunks? I want my Colin!
~EileenG
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (10:37)
#477
For all you Lisa Zane fans out there (heehee), I came across this in the 2/7/00 edition of People.
Sister Act
Actress-singer Lisa Zane gamely follows in brother Billy's Titanic footsteps
When Lisa Zane shot the CBS TV movie Missing Pieces in usually temperate Santa Barbara, Calif., last March, she got a cold dose of reality: Winds blowing off the Pacific left temperatures in the low 50s. "I despise the cold," says Zane, 38, who costars with James Coburn as his late son's ex-girlfriend in the Feb. 6 mystery /.../ "and I was the one who suffered the most because I had these skimpy little dresses on." Even so, "there was no bitching about anything from Lisa," says Coburn. "She's one groovy chick." [Note: c'mon, James, can't you get out of the '60's?]
In more ways than one. Since 1997, Zane, who's single, has been moonlighting as a lounge singer in the Hollywood hot spot Les Deux. Music is a lifelong passion. "When we were little," says her brother, Titanic bad guy Billy Zane, 33, "she was always singing preposterously sophisticated songs for a 12-year old." Encouraged by their parents, Billy Sr. and Thalia, both 69--medical-technician instructors, and amateur actors in Chicago--both sibs pursued acting careers. In 1988, after studying drama at Vassar, Lisa followed Billy to L.A. at his urging ("I missed her madly," he says) and landed roles in 1991's Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare and on TV (LA Law, ER).
Her next movie, Monkeybone, a comedy due out next fall, also has her singing--as the mythical Medusa. Her serpentine tresses required five puppeteers, plus a guy, she says, "who lifted the cables for me so my neck wouldn't break." She had to make twice-weekly visits to the chiropractor. Maybe freezing to death isn't so bad after all.
***
What, no mention of FF? *scratching my head* ;-D
Thought you'd love this, Evelyn after studying drama at Vassar. Proves she didn't learn her craft from a Crackerjack prize (as did the wonderful actress in P).
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (10:43)
#478
...Oh, I know what I did, a page search for "An Ideal Husband"! Strange, none found. ;-)
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (10:46)
#479
(Harry Knowles) We are currently working on getting the final 5 in each category, as well as the Foreign Film Nominees... which didn't come in here.
Has anyone checked the trash bin next to the xerox machine? ;-)
~lafn
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (11:15)
#480
(Eileen)Re; Lisa Zane..Thought you'd love this, Evelyn after studying drama at Vassar.
That woman couldn't clean the latrines at Vassar.
~~~~~~~~~
Thanks all for the Valentines...esp. Mr. Darcy.He's Still the One!!
~~~~~~~~
Rafe has a sight on Drool!!!! Thanks Cheryl.Should I tell the RF List?
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (11:32)
#481
(Evelyn) That woman couldn't clean the latrines at Vassar.
As I recall reading, the Zane kids went to either Latin or Parker, two very exclusive ($$$) private schools in my neighborhood. She might have been classmates with Jennifer Beals (another terribly gifted actress) who went there, but went to Yale instead. They are only 2 years apart in age.
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (19:03)
#482
Renate: I think I saw you behind a barricade at the Berlinale, mouthing "Le-o, Le-o" ;-)
Can you look around at the Berlinale or ZDF site to see if there's a Talented Mr Ripley press conference? I found movie trailers but not the conference. Maybe it isn't up yet. :-(
~KJArt
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (22:38)
#483
HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY, M' LUV'S!!
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (22:39)
#484
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (22:39)
#485
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (22:43)
#486
Have fixed the centering (trust me)
From The Times:
Dench's dream may come true
DAME Judi Dench is backing a full-size reconstruction in London of The Rose theatre, the Shakespearean playhouse that rivalled the Globe.
The theatre was the set for Shakespeare in Love. Dame Judi, who won an Oscar for her performance as Elizabeth I in the film, was so impressed by the set's authenticity that she urged David Parfitt, the producer, not to pull it down.
Unlike traditional, wobbly, theatre sets, this was carved in oak and topped with a thatched roof. "It took my breath away when I saw it," Dame Judi said, and, determined to find another use for it, set about finding one.
Through her involvement, there are now plans to rebuild it on the site of the Sam Collins Music Hall, which was built in 1850 and burnt down in 1958. Since then the site - on the corner of Islington Green and Essex Road in North London - has become derelict and is now a car park.
The reconstruction project is part of a �27 million development supported by the Collins Music Hall Trust and the Old Vic Theatre. CZWG, a leading firm of architects, has drawn up intricate plans for a scheme that would involve building the theatre three storeys underground, with a ground-level glass roof. The theatre alone would cost about �7 million. To fund it, an innovative �20 million residential development above is planned, its design inspired by the same architecture/.../
Unlike The Globe, which is open to the elements and closes during the winter, The Rose, protected by glass, will be able to open all year, with its audience always kept warm and dry.
*****
Now, let's see, we were on the corner of Islington Green and something! ;-)
~KJArt
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (23:09)
#487
Sorry, KR =:-{
KJ
~KJArt
Mon, Feb 14, 2000 (23:13)
#488
test, test
~mari
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (06:36)
#489
(Karen) Now, let's see, we were on the corner of Islington Green and something! ;-)
Yes, we were! I do hope this project will not jeopardize the Colinsdale Estates.;-)
~mari
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (06:46)
#490
From Variety:
Fox to remake a ``Monster''
Who says only obscure old French flicks qualify for American remakes? Fox has just picked up the remake rights to ``The Sex Monster,'' an American film that was made exactly a year ago.
The studio has made a deal with veteran scripter Mike Binder, who wrote and directed the original low-budget indie comedy and starred in it with Mariel Hemingway and Steven Baldwin. The pic's about a guy whose decision to excite his marriage with a menage a trois awakens his wife's bisexuality, ruins the guy's business and pretty much destroys his life. At last year's U. S. Comedy Festival, ``Sex Monster'' won Best Picture and Binder won Best Actor, but the pic was only seen on Cinemax and on video, never getting a theatrical distribution.
Fox execs Hutch Parker and Tom Rothman considered buying the pic, but instead paid Binder to rewrite it as a mid-sized budget pic designed to appeal to the likes of Ben Affleck and Gwyneth Paltrow.
~Moon
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (07:59)
#491
Fox execs Hutch Parker and Tom Rothman
These people are on drugs. I feel sorry for the two. I guess the scripts going around Hollywood have hit rock bottom.
May GP and BA have more sense.
Thanks for the info Mari.
If Islington keeps going that way, the Firths will be able to sell their townhouse at a fantastic price and Livia will finally get her wish of moving to Chelsea. ;-)
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (08:01)
#492
Argh! But, you know, I remember saying the film *did* have potential...to appeal to frat boys.
THE OSCAR NOMS ARE IN:
BEST ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE:
Russell Crowe... THE INSIDER
Richard Farnsworth.... THE STRAIGHT STORY
Sean Penn... SWEET AND LOWDOWN
Kevin Spacey.... AMERICAN BEAUTY
Denzel Washington... THE HURRICANE
ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Michael Caine.... THE CIDER HOUSE RULES
Tom Cruise... MAGNOLIA
Michael Clarke Duncan... THE GREEN MILE
Jude Law..... THE TALENTED MR RIPLEY
Haley Joel Osment... THE SIXTH SENSE
ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Annette Bening..... AMERICAN BEAUTY
Janet McTeer.... TUMBLEWEEDS
Julianne Moore.... THE END OF THE AFFAIR
Meryl Streep.... MUSIC OF THE HEART
Hilary Swank.... BOYS DON'T CRY
ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Toni Collette.... THE SIXTH SENSE
Angelina Jolie... GIRL, INTERRUPTED
Catherine Keener.... BEING JOHN MALKOVICH
Samantha Morton.... SWEET AND LOWDOWN
Chloe Sevigny... BOYS DON'T CRY
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (08:05)
#493
BEST PICTURE
AMERICAN BEAUTY
CIDER HOUSE RULES
THE GREEN MILE
THE INSIDER
THE SIXTH SENSE
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (08:24)
#494
DIRECTOR
M. Night Shyamalan, "The Sixth Sense"
Michael Mann, "The Insider"
Sam Mendes, "American Beauty"
Spike Jonze, "Being John Malkovich"
Lasse Hallstrom, "The Cider House Rules"
SCREENPLAY � ORIGINAL
Paul Thomas Anderson, "Magnolia"
Alan Ball, "American Beauty"
Charlie Kaufman, "Being John Malkovich"
Mike Leigh, "Topsy-Turvy"
M. Night Shyamalan, "The Sixth Sense"
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (08:34)
#495
SCREENPLAY - ADAPTATION
THE CIDER HOUSE RULES Screenplay by John Irving
ELECTION Screenplay by Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor
THE GREEN MILE Screenplay by Frank Darabont
THE INSIDER Screenplay by Eric Roth & Michael Mann
THE TALENTED MR RIPLEY Screenplay by Anthony Minghella
ART DIRECTION
ANNA AND THE KING
THE CIDER HOUSE RULES
SLEEPY HOLLOW
THE TALENTED MR. RIPLEY
TOPSY-TURVY
CINEMATOGRAPHY
AMERICAN BEAUTY
THE END OF THE AFFAIR
THE INSIDER
SLEEPY HOLLOW
SNOW FALLING ON CEDARS
COSTUME DESIGN
ANNA AND THE KING
SLEEPY HOLLOW
THE TALENTED MR. RIPLEY
TITUS
TOPSY-TURVY
FILM EDITING
AMERICAN BEAUTY
THE CIDER HOUSE RULES
THE INSIDER
THE MATRIX
THE SIXTH SENSE
BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
ALL ABOUT MY MOTHER (SPAIN)
CARAVAN (NEPAL)
EAST-WEST (FRANCE)
SOLOMON AND GAENOR (ENGLAND)
UNDER THE SUN
MAKEUP
AUSTIN POWERS: THE SPY WHO SHAGGED ME
BICENTENNIAL MAN
LIFE
TOPSY-TURVY
MUSIC: ORGINAL DRAMATIC SCORE
AMERICAN BEAUTY
ANGELA'S ASHES
THE CIDER HOUSE RULES
THE RED VIOLIN
THE TALENTED MR. RIPLEY
MUSIC: ORIGINAL SONG
SOUTH PARK: BIGGER, LONGER & UNCUT
MUSIC OF THE HEART
MAGNOLIA
TOY STORY 2
TARZAN
~Moon
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (09:18)
#496
(Karen), Argh! But, you know, I remember saying the film *did* have potential...to appeal to frat boys.
True. The lesson to be learned is not to incite your wife into a menage a trois, you may ruin your life! Use your ecessive libido for adultery
instead. ;-)
Thanks for the Oscar Nominations, Karen. I see it will be an American Beauty night. I have not seen The 6th Sense but I hardly think it could compare to The 3 Kings which has been completely ignored, much to my chagrin.
Will root for Sean Penn, Jude Law and Samantha Norton. For the rest, frankly I can only quote Rett Butler.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (09:42)
#497
(Moon) Will root for Sean Penn, Jude Law and Samantha Norton.
You like rooting for the losers? How noble of you. ;-)
The 3 Kings which has been completely ignored
Not surprising and not totally to be faulted. In the "unconventional" category, there were too many--Am B, BJM, Mag, 6thS--this year which did get recognition and were IMO far better. 3Kings just didn't have it for an Oscar. Remember, Oscar doesn't mean "the best." ;-)
Big shockers: the Jim Carrey and Topsy-Turvy (I'm sure the great unwashed have not seen it) omissions AND the Cider House Rules inclusion (tres boring and tres trite)!!
~Moon
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (10:00)
#498
How noble of you.
Thank you for noticing. :-)
Remember, Oscar doesn't mean "the best." ;-)
I know. It only means you are invited to the best apres Oscar parties in town. ;-) Did I mention that I only watch it to see the gowns the actresses wear?
~lafn
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (11:09)
#499
The Cider House Rules inclusion (tres boring and tres trite)!!
Told you.I liked this film.Great book too, by John Irving...World of Owen Meany.
Do agree it will be an American Beauty night....But don't discount Denzel.
Jude Law might be displaced by that kid in 6th Sense.
~EileenG
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (11:19)
#500
(Karen) Big shockers: the Jim Carrey...omissions
I'm not surprised. IMO he made his bed years ago. Remember when 'Liar Liar' debuted with huge BO numbers and he 'mooned' (left pants up, thank God) the audience at some awards show? I thought Lauren Holly was going to cry. It's gonna take him years to prove himself (but he appears to have a few friends among the H'wood Foreign Press). Tom's still trying, and he didn't piss off the big boys. At least he's making progress.
Thanks for posting the list.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (11:24)
#501
I haven't discounted Denzel. I think he'll get it. To me, Farnesworth is the dark horse to watch.
For suppporting, while I may want Jude to take it, he doesn't have a prayer. But Supporting is always a difficult category to call. I'd go with the kid or Cruise, but Caine has to be a sentimental fav, especially in view of last year. But last year, they gave it to an oldster (Coburn in a role no one saw), so I'll stick with my first two--the kid and Cruise.
BTW, I'm not at all surprised about Emily Watson being left off. There was nothing notable about her acting in AA. The kids were the main attractions.
~mari
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (11:26)
#502
(Moon)These people are on drugs.
Yeah, hopefully Stelazine and they'll forget all about it.;-)
(Moon)For the rest, frankly I can only quote Rett Butler.
"Mammy, is that a red petticoat you're wearin'?" ;-)
Karen, thanks for getting the list on so quickly. AICN was wrong! Harry's excuse this morning: "Hey, it came off the Academy server." Whatta schlub.;-)
(Karen)Big shockers: the Jim Carrey and Topsy-Turvy (I'm sure the great unwashed have not seen it) omissions AND the Cider House Rules inclusion (tres boring and tres trite)!!
Poor Jim Carrey; I don't know what else this guy has to do. And I guess I'll have to see Cider House now. Topsy-Turvy: it came out way too late in the year for people to have a chance to see it. Poor marketing/planning. Other shockers: relatively poor showing by Ripley, and great showing by Sixth Sense. Glad and surprised for Toni Collette, whom I've always thought would make a fine BJ! And Shyamalan is a homeboy so I'm happy.;-) The kid, Osment, is very deserving--he rocked. I must admit, however, that the ending is so awesome that it leaves you thinking it's a better movie than it really is. Still, it's a smart film, and proves that a blockbuster success doesn't have to be dumbed-down.
Interesting that the 6 non-American acting nominess all played Americans.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (11:26)
#503
(Eileen) he made his bed years ago...It's gonna take him years to prove himself
I agree. Also, his comments at the GGs didn't help. In fact, they also signaled to me that he wouldn't be nominated. His situation is far worse than Spielberg's was for the longest time.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (11:41)
#504
Re: Solomon and Gaenor
It hasn't played here yet, but I remember the reviews were not good.
From The Evening Standard:
Set in a Welsh mining village in 1911, Paul Morrisson's Welsh-Yiddish/ English-language film starts miserable and goes downhill from there.
Oh, all right. There are some lovely bits in the middle when sparky Welsh girl Gaenor (Nia Roberts) conducts an illicit romance with Jewish Welsh lad Solomon (Ioan Gruffudd) and they roll about in the hay to erotic effect but when Gaenor's resulting pregnancy and her discovery of her lover's real ethnic persuasion come to light, the film descends into the murk of melodrama. Set against a backdrop of miners' strikes and local political unrest, it charts the rise of anti-Semitism in The Valleys with respectful skill and the two attractive leads momentarily lighten the load of a tale whose Hardyesque burden is finally too much to bear.
~mari
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (11:53)
#505
Thanks for the info on Solomon and Gaenor, Karen. It has played here at a few Jewish film festivals (Philly--alas, I missed it, Boston, etc.) I'm happy it got nommed only because now it might have a chance to get a distributor here and I can see Ioan on the big screen.;-)
What I don't suffer for art.;-)
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (12:01)
#506
Actually, I think I read a couple of days ago that S&G was picked up...maybe by Sony Pictures Classics.
~lafn
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (16:29)
#507
Since then the site - on the corner of Islington Green and Essex Road in North London - has become derelict and is now a carpark park.
(Karen)Now, let's see, we were on the corner of Islington Green and something! ;-)
"The very one"...we were on Islington Green which is where Upper Street separates & Essex Road begins.Don't remember a car park though.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (16:34)
#508
You do remember construction, don't you? I do. We walked under the scaffolding on our way to Colinsdale Estates. ;-)
~amw
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (18:25)
#509
Have just come back from seeing American Beauty with my sister and two friends and I have to say we were all rather under-whelmed, don't not quite what we were expecting but I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. There were some nice performances but it definitely dragged in places, in our humble opinion and yet all the reviews have been universally great, here and in the US. Back to Valmont...
~Arami
Tue, Feb 15, 2000 (19:41)
#510
(Moon)the Firths will be able to sell their townhouse at a fantastic price
What's a fantastic price in your estimation? You can't get anything reasonable in Islington below �500,000.
~Moon
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (07:59)
#511
(Arami), What's a fantastic price in your estimation? You can't get anything reasonable in Islington below �500,000.
Try to buy the equivalent of their Islington townhouse in Chelsea and you get the figures.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (08:50)
#512
Long column about Bonnie Hunt's movie "Return to Me," the one she filmed next door to me. Mentions the location shooting, among other things. ;-)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/columnists/grove/index.asp
~Moon
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (09:11)
#513
What a thrill for me. All the actors were very unique. They each had very, very different approaches to the work. And you just had to adjust your directing style to each person."
That sounds like a nightmare to me. A director should have their vision straight and be decided on what they want to do. You may take a suggestion once in a while but to adjust your directing style each time sounds like no directing style at all to me.
Thanks, Karen. I have seen the previews and I can tell you that Bonnie loves close-ups. I hope we get to see a lot of Chicago.
~lafn
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (09:54)
#514
The Razzies "Dis-honoring the Worst Film Achievements of 1999" are in.They are listed on their website:
http://www.razzies.com/PRNominations00-2.html
Scroll down to the middle...
don't miss Kenneth Brannagh as Worst Supporting Actor for "Wild, Wild West".
Which has also been nominated in the Worst Movie of the Year category.
The Golden Raspberry award will be presented the day before the Oscars.
Quite a come-down for ole Ken :-D
He shudda stuck to Shakespeare.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (10:38)
#515
*hee hee* thanks, Evelyn. It really boils down to a contest for worst between TPM and Wild Wild West. Everybody associated with those appears to have been nominated. Thank goodness, I didn't bother with them.
NOMINATION TOTALS by TITLE:
STAR WARS: EPISODE I, THE PHANTOM MENACE and WILD WILD WEST - 8 EACH
BIG DADDY, THE HAUNTING - 5 EACH
END OF DAYS, SHOWGIRLS - 3 EACH
THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, ENTRAPMENT, THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH - 2 EACH
~Elena
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (12:40)
#516
(Ann)I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.
I want to suggest what the fuss around American Beauty is is all about....it�s about the fact that this film contains some good ideas and a little exceptional approach, in other words, it�s an ok movie. That�s enough to make a great fuss around a film in the western world these days. But if Shakespeare In Love was the best picture of 1998, American Beauty must the best of 1999!! :-D
Ps. if Annette Bening is the best actress of any year then something is very badly wrong with this world. Probably is too.
~lafn
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (13:42)
#517
(Ann)I'm not sure what all the fuss is about
(elena)....it�s about the fact that this film contains some good ideas and a little exceptional approach,...
Ann, "American Beauty" is a satire. The story is not mean't to be taken at face value.It is a spoof on suburban life, values that people hold, apsirations that they have, behavior patterns....a critcal view of today's life. Each character is a prototype.I found myself in some of it...and I know most people have.
Like Elena said....lots of food for thought.IMO it was brilliant.
And a seamless production.
Ann....don't see "Magnolia"; you'll hate it.Another "new wave" film. Three hours, and it doesn't even have a plot.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (14:09)
#518
(Evelyn) and it doesn't even have a plot
Hey, if they filmed a "day in my life," it wouldn't have a plot either. ;-)
~Tineke
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (15:10)
#519
I saw American Beauty last week and loved it! I think it deserves to win for Best Picture. And I couldn't help but love Kevin Spacey.
~Moon
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (15:33)
#520
(Evelyn), Another "new wave" film.
The original "new wave" film from France (1960s) is greatly missed by me and most cinephiles. Those current films have nothing to do with it. I would call them pseudo-modern films.
~CherylB
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (17:03)
#521
I don't think anyone as posted the DGA (Directors Guild Award) nominations. They are generally a pretty good indicator of which film will win the Oscar for Best Picture. They have an over 90% accuracy rate; although, last year "Saving Private Ryan" won the DGA and "Shakespeare in Love" was the Academy's choice.
The nominees are:
"American Beauty", Sam Mendes
"Being John Malkovich", Spike Jonze
"The Green Mile", Frank Darabont
"The Insider", Michael Mann
"The Sixth Sense", M. Knight Shyamalyn(sic)
~mari
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (19:05)
#522
(Evelyn) Three hours, and it doesn't even have a plot.
Hey, who needs a plot when you have frogs?;-)
One of my faves last year was Limbo, which didn't have an ending. Conventional film structure is *so* overrated. ;-) ;-)
Mari
8:18
P.S. Cheryl, thanks for the DGA noms list. I see they've corrected the Academy's oversight and have nommed Frank Darabont for The Green Mile. This guy takes the audience inside a claustrophobic prison corridor for three+ hours--and makes you feel grateful for it. Very good movie.
~Arami
Wed, Feb 16, 2000 (21:02)
#523
(Moon) Try to buy the equivalent of their Islington townhouse in Chelsea and you get the figures.
No way - Chelsea is not quite the right place for a left-leaning celebrity. She may scream her beautiful head off and stamp till her little feet are blue, but he ain't going there, I can safely bet on that.
~mari
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (07:23)
#524
So much for my Four Feathers hopes. From the "when you're hot, you're hot" department:
HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Jude Law, Oscar nominated for his role in ``The Talented Mr. Ripley'' has committed to star in ``Four Feathers,'' which begins shooting in July.
The Paramount/Miramax co-production is a remake of the Zoltan Korda tale that Hossein Amini (''The Wings of the Dove'' ''Jude'') will adapt from the 1939 screenplay. Shekhar Kapur (''Elizabeth,'' ``Bandit Queen'') will direct.
``Feathers'' centers on a British officer who resigns his post just before battle and is given four white feathers by his friends and fiancee as symbols of what they believe to be his cowardice.
Law is also eyeing the lead in ``The Good Shepherd,'' set up at MGM, which will be directed by Robert De Niro. Law recently participated in the table read of Eric Roth's ``Shepherd'' script in Manhattan. The story follows a CIA agent who is recruited fresh out of the Ivy League at the agency's inception after WWII, and the toll his work takes on his life and family.
Sources familiar with the talks indicated that the two projects would not present a scheduling conflict for Law, given that ``Feathers'' would begin lensing this July, and that De Niro's acting jobs will have him tied up until early 2001.
~Moon
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (07:53)
#525
Thanks, Mari! I am happy to see Jude being offered these roles instead of the usual Matt and Tom. He truly glowed in TTMR and I hope he takes the Oscar for it. I do not see why a little boy on his first acting job has to be the favourite. Tom Cruise should have won for the 4th of July, but this one should be for Jude. :-)
(Arami), Chelsea is not quite the right place for a left-leaning celebrity.
I remember when Kings Road was. There are plenty of left-leaning celebrites who live in Chelsea.
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (07:57)
#526
So he plays an American again in the second one. ;-) He's hot and doesn't look like he's going to squander it. And he's expanding his scope now, doing that war picture, Enemy at the Gates, giving him a semi-action role for his C.V.
~lafn
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (09:19)
#527
From the Picky-Picky: Let's be Pure department:
So I log on to #80 expecting BJ stuff and I get High Fidelity...how come it isn't on here? ;-)
~~~~~~~~~
(Arami), Chelsea is not quite the right place for a
left-leaning celebrity.
He shudda stayed in Hackney. RF lives in Hampton Heath and he's an agnostic
...is that the same? ;-)
~Moon
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (09:32)
#528
RF lives in Hampton Heath and he's an agnostic
I know lots of New-Agers that live in Hampstead Heath. I guess they balance his agnosticity. ;-)
~baine
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (11:06)
#529
CIA agent who is recruited fresh out of the Ivy League at the agency's inception after WWII
Picky-Picky Dept, part deux: CIA *officer*. An agent is someone recruited to help spy, as Guy Bennett, that is, Burgess, became a Soviet agent; an officer is an employee of the agency which I assume is what they're talking about here. Who will play Allan Dulles? Ed Harris?
~Arami
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (17:47)
#530
There are plenty of left-leaning celebrites who live in Chelsea.
More money than sense. Not Colin's scene. :-)
~mari
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (17:59)
#531
(Evelyn) RF lives in Hampstead Heath and he's an agnostic
Would that then make him a Hampstead heathen?;-)
~Arami
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (18:39)
#532
Careful with generalizations: HH also happens to be famous for gays.
~Moon
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (19:22)
#533
(Arami), More money than sense. Not Colin's scene. :-)
My cousins have lots of sense as do my friends that live in Chelsea. A Burrough I love and know quite well. I suppose I am a Royalist so you may despise
me. :-)
I believe Colin must have friends in that area, so it must sometimes be part of his scene.
~lafn
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (19:50)
#534
Jennifer's new flat is also in Islington...and she is not a Leftist.Although
Labor.
So that borough must be a mixed bag.
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 17, 2000 (22:49)
#535
Long article in The Times by Benedict Nightingale about the Oliviers. Here's the ending [no mention of a play some of us liked or an actor...]:
But the prime reason for awards is surely to acknowledge excellence, set standards and proclaim the strengths of British theatre. They can also accelerate the careers of individuals like Imelda Staunton, who was unknown before she was named best supporting actress in Ayckbourn's Chorus of Disapproval at the 1985 Oliviers. Janie Dee's parallel victory for a minor role in Carousel in 1993 partly explains why she got the major role that has already won her the Standard and Critics Awards for 1999.
But will Maggie Smith or Jennifer Ehle beat her for their performances as, respectively, a genteel tramp in Alan Bennett's Lady in the Van and the creamy, dreamy heroine of Stoppard's Real Thing? Will the Olivier panel find a new play worth honouring from a list that includes Lady in the Van and Martin Sherman's monologue, Rose? Will the National Theatre, whose unprecedented 21 nominations vary from Roger Allam's supporting performance in Summerfolk to John Napier's costume designs for Candide, break existing records for winners too?
Well, at least the competition remains fierce here. New productions on Broadway are so few nowadays that the Tony shortlists often contain critical and commercial disasters, just to make up the numbers. But in just one category this year the Olivier panellists have felt able to overlook Cate Blanchett, Juliet Stevenson, Helen Mirren and others I thought eminently rewardable. And what of Mark Rylance's Cleopatra? But that would, I suppose, have needed a category all its own.
~KarenR
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (08:37)
#536
Grocery chain screens films
Who said the drive-in is dead? U.K. grocery store chain Asda has announced plans to show movies in the parking lots of its outlets. Asda, recently bought by U.S. retail giant Wal-Mart, will charge customers �1 ($1.61) a car to park in front of a large screen showing Disney classics. Usherettes on roller skates will deliver popcorn, hot dogs and ice cream to customers who can listen to the movies on their car radios or sit in a tiered seating area. The project will tested at Asda's 24-hour store in York next month before being extended to 50 stores by September.
~lafn
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (10:32)
#537
OLIVIER AWARDS;
Best actress: Janie Dee
Best Actor: Henry Goodman
Best New Play;"Goodnight Children Everywhere" [Are they kidding??]
Best New Musical: "Honk!The Ugly Duckling"
[So , why is" Lion King" selling tickets til October 2000? Preverse
nationalism!!]
Whole list of winners: http://www.officiallondontheatre.co.uk/index.cfm
~KarenR
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (11:13)
#538
Hardly a surprise about the first two. Benedict's article today said they seemed to be shoe-ins. Sorry about Jennifer. But she's got the nominations, is firmly etched in reviewers/voters minds, and will have much better shot at them next time around. Sounds like they definitely have to earn their stripes. No awards for first-timers.
~lafn
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (12:22)
#539
I read Benedict Nightingale last night in the TIMES, which Karen posted...
so I knew.The guy was probably on the committee!!
Anyway, JE & SD are off to B'way whose tickets are going like hot cakes.
I have never seen Janie Dee, but I did see Maggie Smith !!... and I can tell you I've seen Henry Goodman in Summerfolk and the guy couldn't wipe Colin's shoes....or SD's.Pretty decrepit. And how about the new play and musical that won...who heard of them.?
*evelyn who is off to go to post- Olivier therapy*
(DQ better come today)
~Moon
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (15:08)
#540
I hope you get well soon, Evelyn! ;-)
Onegin is on tonight on Starz at 8pm. I no longer get it.
Eileen, you and your million channels? I wonder if it will be out for rent soon?
~mari
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (15:23)
#541
FOR THE TREATMENT OF POST-OLIVIER TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER:
1. Park your sanity at the door.
2. Keep repeating, "What an Honor and a Thrill and a Privilege and a Delight it is just to be nominated with such august company."
3. Try to remember who was nominated and lost in previous years.
4. Failing that, fill out application for membership in old boys/old girls network. Lie about your references.
5. Ayckbourn: with a "y" or without?
6. Hum those snappy tunes from "Good Night Children Everywhere."
7. Failing that, Hakuna Matate!
8. Check Barrymore Theater site for nearby parking.
9. Argue with husband over whether 47th Street runs east or west.
10. Handicap the Oscar race.
~EileenG
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (15:42)
#542
(Moon) Eileen, you and your million channels?
Heehee...yep (FYI we only kept Starz, HBO and Encore :-P). Saw Onegin a couple of weeks ago. Rafe's OK, great cinematography, but Liv...*shudder*.
I wonder if it will be out for rent soon?
I was very surprised to find it on cable so soon. That issue of EW I referenced a while ago presented it as a theatrical release, which I'm sure it is in some markets.
~lafn
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (17:50)
#543
(Eileen)Re: Kissing ...They had similar unflattering comments from several other female costars. Ruth's comments aside, let's hope we never anything like this written about ODB!
(I brought this over from 129....aren't I a good girl?)
I would rather a leading lady spoke about what a great kisser ODB is...than talk about "his professionalism in kissing". Apparently, Kevin Costner is a real winner in kissing
~~~~~~~
Thanks Mari....or rather...Hakuna Matate!
Anyway, she won on the Albemarle website....so did SD and 3 DOR.
http://www.albemarle-london.com/vote.html
No remarks!
~KarenR
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (18:02)
#544
Very funny, Mari, but them theater people don't know beans about the Oscars! ;-)
(All puckered up Evelyn) Apparently, Kevin Costner is a real winner in kissing
So is Pierce Brosnan. Everytime one of his leading ladies is on TV, they mention it. He has lots of references; probably doesn't have to lie or make them up. ;-)
~Arami
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (18:33)
#545
(Moon)My cousins have lots of sense as do my friends that live in Chelsea. A Burrough I love and know quite well.
(Oh, shhhh...) I suppose an invite is out of the question, then?
;-)
~Arami
Fri, Feb 18, 2000 (18:49)
#546
I've found this in one of the UK papers today:
Michael Caine revealed he had not taken any chances over this year's Oscar nominations - as an Academy member he is able to vote for himself. "I voted for myself," he said, "because I'd kick myself if I lost by just one vote. I've got all my friends to vote for me too."
[...] "The Academy Awards have real respect. They are voted for by people in the industry and not rigged."
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (07:50)
#547
A couple of paragraphs in the Sunday Times (AA Gill's TV column) about the South Bank Show that Lizza mentioned:
Melvyn Bragg and Sam Mendes
A lot of special people were looking forward to seeing Sam "Orson" Mendes on The South Bank Show (Sunday, ITV). We are a committed and long-suffering gang of fans who used to be called his friends. We like to keep up with how he
is. Modern communication is fabulous. We can stay in touch via the television. "Saw Orson today," we say. "Channel 4. Put on a bit of weight." Through Melvyn's incisive interviewing, we heard what an unspoilt, unstarry person he is, completely unfazed by mega-celebrity and fawning adoration. Funnily enough, that's exactly what his PA, secretaries and assistant always tell me when I leave numerous unanswered messages.
Right, I thought. We'll fight mass media with mass media. I'll tell them how fame and success hasn't changed him. It's jolly well transported him like the Buddha, Golden Globes and all, right off this mortal stage . . . and then, just when we were getting to the bit where Kevin Spacey said with tears in his
eyes that Orson only had one shirt, the phone goes, and it's Sam. Would I like to go to the flicks this weekend? Typical, typical. He doesn't call from one year to the next and when he does, it spoils my entire bloody review.
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (08:09)
#548
Bigger profile article on Sam/Orson in the Britain section of the Sunday Times.
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~Moon
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (08:57)
#549
Gregory's Two Girls: Follow-up to the classic of teenage angst.
This is a wish of mine come true! I loved Gregory's Girl! I saw it in Scotland when it came out eons ago. I wonder if it will come to the US?
Thanks, Karen!
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (09:12)
#550
I seem to recall the reviews were not so good. But you know reviewers. ;-)
~mari
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (11:49)
#551
Interesting article in today's L.A. Times, entitled "An Unresolved Border Conflict: European Films Get A Warmer Welcome In The U.S. Than From Neighbor Countries"
http://www.calendarlive.com/calendarlive/movies/20000220/t000000087.html
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (12:22)
#552
(LA Times article) Paris-based Richard Covington Is an Occasional Contributor to Calendar
Maybe the occasionalness is due to his need to get a map. Last I remember, Australia (Cate Blanchett) was not in Europe.
Good article, Mari.
~lafn
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (14:58)
#553
Interesting article....the French are always belly-aching though...like we have a duty to show their films.
~CherylB
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:13)
#554
The French are just so...French. I can say that, as I am partly French. I have I friend who was complaining about one of his co-workers named Luc. He complained that Luc was arogant, opinioned, obnoxious, and French. I told him he just could have said Luc was French, and that would have pretty much covered everything. Well maybe not obnoxious.
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:20)
#555
But Covington (the writer) is not French. He is only based in Paris and apparently a stringer or freelance journalist, not from the LA Times' Paris bureau.
~CherylB
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:30)
#556
True Covington is not French, but he did interviews with some French people, as well as other nationalities. He's just reporting the standard line the French give concerning the French Film Industry. A few years ago there was a French film called "Irma Vep", it was a satire of those make and write about French films. I thought it wonderful, but it's one of those movies you either really like or can't stand.
~lafn
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:35)
#557
Covington is not French...but the article says:
"Despite the surprise success of a handful of French films in the US, the French distributors and officials complain that the imports would reach still larger audiences if they had wider releases.....'Our films have to compete for the same screens as the other independent American film makers', grouses
Daniel Toscan du Plantier...."The American public is ready for French films ,but the American distributors are not" says, Philippe de Chaisenartin.
~~~~~~
Maybe it's because they don't make any money...distributors are funny that way...they like to get a return on their investments cause they don't get government handouts and tax incentives like they do in Europe.
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:41)
#558
Sorry, but I don't see why anyone is focusing on the French re: Mari's article. It was about European films and stated that many European films have reached more Americans than their neighbors, which films have crossed borders well and which haven't, with some attempt to understand the reasons. period.
~lafn
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (15:47)
#559
Sorry, but I don't see why anyone is focusing on the French re: Mari's article. It was about European films and stated that many European films have reached more Americans than ...."
Sorry...did I make up those quotes?
The French input comes towards the end of the article :-D
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (16:02)
#560
(closing tags)
and there were lots of other quotes at the beginning by others...Germans, Australians (oops, sorry wrong continent); discussions about Italian and British films, Danish films, etc. Everyone carps. Everyone tries to rationalize why their films don't get the audience acceptance they think they deserve. Sounds like stuff we do all the time here over CF's films. All I'm saying is that the French quotes weren't the major focus of the article...to me.
~MarciaH
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (20:00)
#561
Elena's Birthday is the 21st of February.. Y'all come!!!
~KarenR
Sun, Feb 20, 2000 (22:36)
#562
So as not to interrupt tomorrow festivities for Elena, thought I'd post this now. Wish there was an accompanying sound file. ;-)
For non-Americans, tomorrow, Feb 21st, is also Presidents Day, a Federal holiday.
~lafn
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (09:09)
#563
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ELENA
~heide
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (09:49)
#564
Happy Birthday, Elena!
From the new man in your life...
I'll leave it to another to find a dreamier picture of our favorite dreamer.
~heide
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (09:53)
#565
No birthday cake but since this year you share your birthday on the US President's Day, here's a piece of symbolic cherry pie...
and a candle to stick on top -
~heide
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (09:55)
#566
Oops! Candle didn't want to light. Better quit while I'm ahead. ;-) Hope you have a happy day, Elena.
~EileenG
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (09:57)
#567
Happy, happy birthday, Elena. Nasty computer crash has eaten my Netscape, so can't post a graphic :-( but the sentiments are there, nonetheless!
*Imagine a nice pic of 'Donmar Colin' here*
Caption: Where is the lovely Scandanavian lady with her camera? I want to wish her happiness on her birthday!
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (11:27)
#568
Looking for that Ace Photographer from the Donmar lobby...
...to wish her a Very Happy Birthday
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (11:31)
#569
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ELENA!!!!
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (11:39)
#570
I know he's not Don Quixote or even Donovan Quick, but this knight has some roses for you, Elena
But if you close your eyes and make a wish before blowing out the candles on the cake above, you might get this:
~Elena
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (11:52)
#571
Thanks so much girls for all your gifts, I�m so happy for all this! I practically forgot about the B-day myself, maybe intentionally because I don�t want to be #%�%&% 37. Who does?! :-)
(Karen)Feb 21st, is also Presidents Day, a Federal holiday.
Wow, I�m impressed! I chose the day well it seems. And Karen, thanks for that lovely DQ picture, it belongs to my favourites.
(Eileen)Where is the lovely Scandanavian lady with her camera?
Hehe, thanks for that lovely caption but I�m sure Colin has had nightmares about me and my camera. The flash is so efficient that it made the poor guy blink!
~Moon
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (12:04)
#572
Happy Birthday Elena!
xxooo
~Moon
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (12:06)
#573
I do not understand what happened to the graphic, it really is not rated X!
Enjoy your day, Elena. :-)
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (12:24)
#574
Is this the one, Moon?
~amw
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (12:53)
#575
Hapyy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday Dear Elena, Happy Birthday to you.
I have a horrible feeling this is not going to work, haven't done it for ages.
~MarciaH
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (13:06)
#576
HAUOLI NA HANAU, ELENA
(Dendrobium orchids and resebuds)
~Donna
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (13:57)
#577
This is a response to a old message above: Since I have seen Private Ryan and the TRuman show I would like to say that they are both good movies but:
Private Ryan was a blood bath and very depressing. The Truman Show was all Jim C. a lot of hype and tech stuff. Once you have seen Private Ryan you would want to watch it again. I wouldn't anyway, but SIL is fun, fun ,fun and it put portrays women in a good light in some ways. The determination of GP to be an actress and Queen Elizabeth so brillant. I am really find her intriging. She was amazing.
Donna
~mari
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (15:06)
#578
Happy Birthday to Spring's ace photographer! Have a lovely day, Elena, and I wish you a happy, healthy, Firth-filled year!
Mari
~Arami
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (15:28)
#579
Happy B-Day, Helena!
~Elena
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (16:08)
#580
(Ann)I have a horrible feeling this is not going to work
LOL! Thanks for the song Ann, it worked for me!
Dear Marcia, thanks for the dendrobiums, I love them and that colour too. I even have d�s here at home because growing orchids and making them bloom is my mum�s rave hobby.
(Mari)healthy, Firth-filled year!
There�s nothing like Drooling to keep the doctor away :-D
(Arami)Happy B-Day, Helena!
Thanks pal but eeek! don�t blow my cover ;-)
~Moon
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (16:14)
#581
Cutting in:
Milos Forman has said that the reason Jim Carrey did not get an Best Actor Oscar nomination is because he is so good that you do not see the sweat of acting, you see Andy Kaufman. That must go for CF in Valmont too when you think of JMs in your face performance, ugh!
Milos knows. :-)
~KJArt
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (16:43)
#582
A BIRTHDAY, ELENA?
Here's a big Birthday Hug from Across the Big Pond:
I got so excited when I discovered it was your birthday...
I just had to shop for some gifts worthy of you. A lovely bouquet...
And this...
It's Magic!! So make a wish...
I think I know what the wish is, too!...
May he always be in your picture...
...And you in his ... [besotted, I tell you!! *Hee hee*]
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ELENA!
~patas
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (17:07)
#583
(Elena)I don�t want to be #%�%&% 37. Who does?! :-)
Anyone who's over 40?;
to wish Elena A Very Happy Birthday!
~alyeska
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (17:30)
#584
HAPPY BIRTHDAY,from me too Elena. Of course you don't mind being 37. What is the alternative.
~Elena
Mon, Feb 21, 2000 (18:02)
#585
KJ, now you almost managed to make my eyes wet. That creature with the globe is what I often feel like when thinking of you. Thanks for the flowers too, beautiful.
(KJ)I think I know what the wish is, too!...
Oh god *blush* I bet you do ;-D
Gi, thanks much for remembering.
Lucie, a good question. I�m trying to think positively: that I�m now younger than I�ll never be again!!
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (09:59)
#586
Here's a link to Entertainment Weekly's preview of High Fidelity. Interesting credit war and Frears' comments about the location:
http://www.ew.com/ew/moviepreview/0,3971,152,highfidelity.html
And here's the official site for Return to Me (my movie next door). There are some pictures and three videos (including one of outakes), but I haven't viewed them yet. Looks interesting and will be pushed as a big date movie.
http://www.mgm.com/rtm/index.html
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (10:25)
#587
Since only cinematographers (as such) can vote in this category for the Oscars:
"American Beauty" director of photography Conrad Hall took top honors in the feature film category at the 14th annual American Society of Cinematographers Outstanding Achievement Awards Sunday night. Overall, it was an evening of perennial favorites, with Hall notching his third ASC statuette (following "Tequila Sunrise" in 1988 and "Searching for Bobby Fischer" in 1993) -- a benchmark in any one category.
~sprin5
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (10:29)
#588
I just saw American Beauty this past weekend. We ended up discussing it and other things for hours at Neal and Jans. Good choice. Great film.
~mari
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (11:19)
#589
The trailer for High Fidelity is up. I haven't downloaded it yet; a friend says it's a huge file but well worth it.
http://www.hollywood.com/trailers/highfidelity/highfidelity.mov
~lafn
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (13:41)
#590
I can't find the # for RF board...so here goes:
it hasn't been
released yet, but RF will be here to perform
Coriolanus and Richard II with the Almeida on the
following dates: Richard II date are Sept
6,7,13,17,19,23,24,26,27,30. Coriolanus dates are:
Sept 9,10,14,15,16,20,21,22,28,29. The tickets prices
are $75.00, $45.00, & $25.00 and will not go on sale
until April. The shows will be in the Harvey theatre
at B.A.M. So get ready! If you purchase a package that
includes the RSC's Midsummer Night's Dream & RII, and
Coriolanus, you get a 15% discount. "
~~~~~~
If Rafe comes...can Colin be far behind??
~Moon
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (15:34)
#591
If Rafe comes...can Colin be far behind??
Let us ask Kristen Scott-Thomas. ;-)
~CherylB
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (16:43)
#592
Happy Birthday Elena. Hope it was lovely, have a great year.
~CherylB
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (16:48)
#593
Moon, you know I love to read your postings -- but I'm aghast! Heresy, to mention Colin Firth and that person from "Man in the Moon" in the same paragraph. Absolute heresy.
Jim Carrey (please note seperate paragraph) is not nor ever has been a good actor, or even actor for that matter. He didn't get an Oscar nomination simply because his work is not good enough.
~CherylB
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (16:49)
#594
Happy Birthday Elena. Hope it was lovely, have a great year.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (17:10)
#595
Having refused to see most Jim Carrey movies, where they needed Brink's trucks to haul away the daily box office take, I did break down to see The Truman Show, and I thought it and him were very good. A major pleasant surprise, although I did know it was not typical Jim Carrey fare. Having seen The Man on the Moon, Carrey is incredible. The movie itself is not.
As everyone knows the Oscars are not solely about "the best" in a category. Impressions, reputations, the past, etc., all play a role. If Sarah Bernhardt had thumbed her nose at the Academy the way Jim Carrey has been doing, even she wouldn't get a nomination.
~Moon
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (17:25)
#596
Moon, you know I love to read your postings -- but I'm aghast! Heresy, to mention Colin Firth and that person from "Man in the Moon" in the same paragraph. Absolute heresy.
Heehee...
Cheryl, I am not at all partial to JC, although, I do think he did a good job in Truman Show. I have not seen MOTM yet, as much as I like REM. ;-) I thought it was interesting that Milos Forman would make excuses for JC and wondered if he might not have done the same at the time of Valmont for ODB.
And while we are on the subject of acting. Has anyone seen Sean Penn's extraordinary performance in Woody Allen's Sweet & Lowdown?
~mari
Tue, Feb 22, 2000 (19:17)
#597
IMO, what Jim Carrey has done to tweak Hollywood is nothing--small potatoes-- compared to the stuff Sean Penn has pulled over the years. Penn is the ultimate bad boy, and yet they've nommed him twice that I can recall. The guy is unbelievably talented. That Best Actor category is a very high caliber one this year--who would they have left off to make room for Carrey? Spacey, Washington, and Crowe were all considered shoo-ins; Farnsworth and Penn a bit of a surprise. It helps when your film has gotten good reviews, which is the case with all of these guys (somewhat less so with Denzel/Hurricane as the film's veracity has been called into serious question).
Anyway, here's the latest from the Kingmaker department: Harve told Newsweek he blames himself for the relatively poor showing of Ripley in the Oscar race. "I was the captain of that ship and I was, unfortunately, convalescing in the hospital when I should have been out there campaigning for it. I would have made sure that the right people saw the film. I feel like Matt Damon and Anthony Minghella got robbed because I was away."
~Elena
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (04:26)
#598
Thanks Cheryl for your kind wishes! :-)
~patas
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (06:21)
#599
Was Harvey ill when MLSF was being shown in the US?
~Moon
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (07:29)
#600
Yes, Gi, go back a few posts.
I did not think Farnsworth's performance anything much. But I am probably the one person that thinks his film was overrated. If Karen says JCs performance was so good in MOTM I trust her (eventhough she liked The Straight Story). JC could have taken his place.
Mari, Marlon Brando, I think is the ultimate Oscar bad boy and he has been nominated a few times (way overrated actor), although I once had an acting teacher who thought he was God).
Matt Damon? I don't think so Harvey.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (09:32)
#601
OK, I don't follow the antics of Sean Penn, but being a bad boy in one's personal life isn't what I was referring to. Carrey has to earn Hollywood's respect. It takes time to be recognized for your serious work when making the transition from schlocky big grossing movies or television. Look how long it took Spielberg. His films are among the highest grossing of all time, yet they were regularly snubbed by the Academy for any nominations. Carrey goes out of his way to antagonize them and probably (although I wouldn't know for sure) doesn't do enough to curry their favor. IMO he needs a new publicist and strategy for making nice with the powers that be.
And I do have my personal favorites for two that I would drop off the Best Actor list to make way for Carrey. One is Farnsworth.
Moon, while I did like elements of The Staight Story, certain things (the predictability and platitudes) drove me nuts. If he told another story with *deep* meaning that would change a stranger's life, I wouldn't have been able to handle it. There were good things in the film however, but I wouldn't call Farnsworth's performance exceptionally great.
Matt Damon? I don't doubt Harvey's ability to stage an effective campaign. Thank goodness, it didn't get rolling.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (10:18)
#602
Look at this attempted sexy pose of Sam Mendes from The Guardian:
LOL!
~mari
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (10:39)
#603
(Gi) Was Harvey ill when MLSF was being shown in the US?
LOL! My thoughts exactly, Gi. What was the excuse then?;-) I *do* think he tried to give it a good send off by getting it featured at the AMFAR benefit in Cannes (after it was turned down for the Cannes program itself). The film just didn't catch on at that point, I suppose, and they backed other horses.
Moon) Marlon Brando, I think is the ultimate Oscar bad boy and he has been nominated a few times (way overrated actor), although I once had an acting teacher who thought he was God).
I always had the impression that Brando was so revered because he was the first/one of the first to bring Method acting to the big screen (as opposed to it staying in the New York theater world). Colin praised him (yes--in an interview, Arami!;-), though of course that should not sway us, Moon.;-) I'll
look through my stash and see if I can find the article. His work in the Godfather was, IMO, awesome.
(Karen) And I do have my personal favorites for two that I would drop off the Best Actor list to make way for Carrey. One is Farnsworth.
Who is the other?
I wasn't referring to Sean Penn's personal life, about which I know little other than he used to be Mr. Madonna.;-) I was thinking about the tantrums he threw when Fox wouldn't send him on a private jet last year to promote Thin Red Line. Imagine that--expected him to fly commercial with us slobs!;-) ;-) Then there were his and Alec Baldwin's very public criticisms of Nicholas Cage--attacking him for abandoning his roots as a serious actor and doing action flicks for the money.
So Carrey has poked fun at not getting nommed last year. So what? It wasn't done in a nasty way, and the guy always shows up at the Oscars (viewed as supporting the industry)--unlike other actors who don't show their faces unless they're nommed.
As far as having to prove oneself in a serious body of work before getting nommed, I think there is some element of that, but there are lots of departures from that this year. Hilary Swank is one, and there are several in the supporting categories.
~EileenG
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (10:54)
#604
Here's the link to the Newsweek article Mari referenced, about everyone's favorite piggy man:
http://www.newsweek.com/nw-srv/printed/us/ae/a16574-2000feb20.htm
(Gi )Was Harvey ill when MLSF was being shown in the US?
(Moon) Yes, Gi, go back a few posts.
Harvey didn't become ill until after Christmas when MLSF was wrapping up its US run (since opening in July). I got a kick out of this: I think somehow Bob and I have both become figures [of speculation] because we defy the rules. We stand up for the, you know, with the rank and file. We're more [like] them than the studio executives who govern. There is a tremendous amount of jealousy in the executive ranks. We hang with the talent. We hang with the technicians. We're just as friendly with the cameraman and the production designer as we are with the stars...
He may hang with the little people but he always struck me as the quintissential 'studio exec who governs'.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (11:13)
#605
(Mari) and they backed other horses.
That "other horse" was Outside Providence, another early summer release, positioned as a coming-of-age film made by that madcap team, the Farrelly (sp?) Bros. It bombed, but was aggressively promoted by Miramax. The marketing was a blatant attempt to mislead the public by emphasizing the huge success of Farrelly's "There's Something About Mary."
(Mari) Who is the other?
I'll keep it to myself, as there are many here who like him very much. Is that enough of a hint?
(Mari) there are lots of departures from that this year. Hilary Swank is one, and there are several in the supporting categories.
Swank is an exception, but she benefitted from the overall praise the indie film received at the hands of the nation's critics. The Supporting Actor category is where new and old have equal standing - that's why predicting its winner has proven so difficult. Such huge surprises in it. Best Actor/Actress seem more predictable. But what do I know, writing from Cowtown. ;-)
He may hang with the little people but he always struck me as the quintissential 'studio exec who governs'.
Am spinning from the spin. ;-) Yeah, all us rank and file regularly jet back and forth on the Concorde, where we smoke in the lavs, and then rent an island in NY's harbor for parties.
~lafn
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (11:54)
#606
(Mari) The film just didn't catch on at that point, I suppose, and they backed other horses.
You may have something there, Mari. The local Miramax guy said there was a definite schedule for MLSF including press screenings and scheduled city releases. Then...everything was retracted.Let's face it, it didn't have universal appeal...some places it did well, but others it bombed. I will be v. eager to see what it does in UK...that's their kind of film.
~Arami
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (14:22)
#607
(Mari)Colin praised him (yes--in an interview, Arami!;-)
When, where, how??? Be an angel, jog my memory, please...
~Moon
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (16:37)
#608
Brando might have been good in The Godfather, but as a young actor, he was a terrible. His Stanley in SND made me laugh.
Method acting is very overrated and I dearly hope ODB thinks so too. You can see De Niro and Pacino now and all they do is repeat those same old
feelings. ;-)
Thanks Eileen for posting the Harvey interview.
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (17:02)
#609
Colin strikes me as very much a Method actor, but haven't we had this discussion before? ;-)
~Arami
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (17:15)
#610
Colin strikes me as very much a Method actor
Ditto - with a slight correction: an intelligent and dedicated actor. I'd even risk saying "passionate" if I knew no one would attempt to turn it into a silly joke...
~mari
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (18:31)
#611
(Karen) That "other horse" was Outside Providence,
Actually, I was thinking about An Ideal Husband, which was moved into MLSF's more favorable mid-June slot, and MLSF got yanked back to late July/early August. Same target audience. They promoted the hell out of AIH--I'm surmising it was well-received by the press at Cannes; recall that it was, inexplicably IMO, accepted as the closing night film. Right after is when MLSF got yanked back and put on the back burner, promotion-wise.
(Karen) I'll keep it to myself, as there are many here who like him very much. Is that enough of a hint?
No, as I have no idea who people like here, but that's ok. I wouldn't want to contribute to the hurt feelings of some ultra-sensitive soul who might be devastated by one person's subjective and honestly-felt opinion that their boy's performance was nothing to crowe about.;-) ;-) But what of the Straight Story proponents? Hath not a Farnsworth fan feelings?;-)
I found the Brando quote. It's from the March 19--26, 1997 Time Out:
Firth has mixed feelings about the Method school of approach. "It's difficult to assess an actor's ability. It can be a conjuring trick. It doesn't depend on internals. I remember the story about Marlon Brando being asked what was going through his head at the climax to 'On The Waterfront.' Brando said he kept thinking: 'I'm so glad this movie is over.' Would anyone without Brando's talent have the same effect? I doubt it."
So there it is. I have no idea what it means.;-)
~KarenR
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (19:52)
#612
(Mari) Actually, I was thinking about An Ideal Husband, which was moved into MLSF's more favorable mid-June slot, and MLSF got yanked back to late July/early August.
Very true, AIH did bump MLSF out of the picture and took a huge chunk out of Harv's marketing budget. The rest of the money went for pushing Outside Providence (premiered August 16)--and Alec did his thing. MLSF had "word of mouth" advertising.
(Mari) So there it is. I have no idea what it means.;-)
LOL!
~Moon
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (20:20)
#613
(Mari) So there it is. I have no idea what it means.;-)
It seems to me he is expressing doubts about Method Acting, therefore it is not the way he works. :-)
~Arami
Wed, Feb 23, 2000 (20:39)
#614
I have no idea what it means.;-)
Easy. His acting depends on internals. ;-)
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (10:02)
#615
This snippet from The Times intrigued me. What pray tell is a Mars Bar? I know what American Mars Bars are. ;-)
~~~~~~~~
THE deep-fried Mars Bar is synonymous with everything that has made Glasgow the bad food capital of Britain (Magnus Linklater writes).
The deep-fried Mars bar, which originated in Stonehaven, helps to account for the fact that the West of Scotland has the highest incidence of heart disease, cancer and strokes, the worst teeth and the lowest life expectancy in the developed world.
~Moon
Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (10:26)
#616
Did we need to know that, Karen? ;-)
Interesting article plus interview on Jude Law in The Telegraph today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=001182080732013&rtmo=aNxppXeL&atmo=aNxppXeL&pg=/et/00/2/24/tljude24.html
Makes a big point about being a British actor instead of an American movie star.
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (10:34)
#617
Looks like they may just be batter-dipped, deep-friend Mars Bars - nothing horrendous. Hey, fried ice cream is good.
~MarkG
Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (11:11)
#618
The Scottish chef at the Parisian restaurant in question is also serving "chocolate-filled ravioli" and "chicken in 7-Up"
~lafn
Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (11:14)
#619
The deep-fried Mars bar,
Isn't that what Lucy brings Sandy in the hospital in DQ?
~KarenR
Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (11:16)
#620
Chocolate-filled ravioli have been around for awhile. v.v.g.
chicken in 7-Up"
While that may sound ridiculous, those types of sodas have long been used as a basting liquid for roasted turkey (or any fowl); takes the fowlness out.
~lafn
Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (14:33)
#621
I have just received an announcement of the Donmar Gala in New York on April 5, 2000 with the cast of TRT....
Major Benefactor Tale for Ten at $15,000
Benefactor Table for Ten at $10,000.
Patron Table for Ten $5,000
~~~~
Benefit Tickets
Benefactor Ticket $1,000
Patron Ticket $500.
~~~~~~~~~
I think they escalatd their ticket prices a bit for the US market ;-)
~CherylB
Thu, Feb 24, 2000 (16:29)
#622
I thing Richard Farnsworth could very well be the spoiler in the Best Actor race. Weird things can and have happened on Oscar night. (Juliette Binoche winning Best Supporting Actress over Lauren Bacall. You know that Binoche voted for Bacall.) Farnsworth could be an upset winner. The Academy is sentimental, and Farnsworth is one of the oldest nominees ever. Richard Farnsworth also has deep root in Hollywood; he was a stuntman in the 1930's. I thought his performance in "The Straight Story" delightful, wonderfully underplayed. You didn't catch him acting.
I actually prefer him over Kevin Spacey, whom I feel was miscast in "American Beauty". Kevin Spacey's character looses it, no big surprise there. Spacey, like James Woods, always seems a little nuts, so casting him as someone falling apart just isn't very interesting. I would have liked to have seen Gary Sinise in the role. He would have done a great arching slow burn into self-destruction.
~aishling
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (03:38)
#623
From Baz Bamigboye in today's Daily Mail:
Spanish beauty Penelope Cruz has won the role in the movie of the best-selling
novel, Captain Corelli's Mandolin.
~aishling
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (03:41)
#624
Sorry - that should be won the role of the heroine in the movie
~KarenR
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (08:04)
#625
Penelope Cruz a good choice. Saw her in All About My Mother not too long ago.
~EileenG
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (09:26)
#626
Penelope Cruz a good choice.
Yeah--they need a great Pelagia to offset Cage's casting as Correlli. Yuk.
~mari
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (10:36)
#627
(Eileen) Yeah--they need a great Pelagia to offset Cage's casting as Correlli. Yuk.
Jeez, Eileen, now you're sounding like Sean Penn.;-) I haven't read Correlli, but would be interested to know why you think Nic is wrong for it. (He *is* Eye-talian, and he does speaka the language--not sure if that's needed for the part though).
Cheryl, I'm glad to see someone speak up for Farnsworth (I haven't seen the film yet, mind you, but I like to see everyone represented;-) I did like Spacey very much in AB, and I guess I viewed his character as not so much nuts, but just as someone who's been pushed to his limit. Granted, it is a satire, and frankly I don't know anyone wound up as much as Bening's character, and I don't have any neighbors' kids videotaping through the blinds (hmmm . . .at least I don't think so;-) but I thought there was a real element of reality and truth in Spacey's character. When he applies for the job in the fast-food restaurant and the kid tells him, jeez, you're overqualified, you wouldn't have any responsibility here, Spacey/Lester tells him that's exactly what I'm looking for--no responsibility whatsoever. I think we've all felt that way occasionally--I know I have! Anyway, I agree with you on Gary Sinise--superb actor.
~Moon
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (10:56)
#628
Mari), interested to know why you think Nic is wrong for it. (He *is* Eye-talian, and he does speaka the language--not sure if that's needed for the part though).
I agree with Eileen. I do not think he has the physique du role. Plus I am tire of him.
Are you sure he speaks Italian or he speaks a generational Sicilian dialect he got from his grandparents?
~Elena
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (11:12)
#629
(Karen)Colin strikes me as very much a Method actor
Forgive me my deep ignorance but what really is Method acting? And anybody please give me some good examples of how it shows in Colin�s work.( Just one of those things I�ve always wanted to know and never dared to ask :)
~KarenR
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (12:15)
#630
Elena, go to this website:
http://www.theatrgroup.com/Method/
Lots of information. Look especially under The Actor's Studio, Strasberg, Stanislavski, and History.
When you click on Strasberg's name, you will get the Lee Strasberg Theatre Institue, click on "Definition of Acting."
~mari
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (13:33)
#631
(Moon) Are you sure he speaks Italian or he speaks a generational Sicilian dialect he got from his grandparents?
I saw him on a talk show several months back (maybe Leno) and he said he was taking Italian lessons. He was asked if he spoke any and he said yes, but he wanted to improve.
I'd imagine the lessons he was taking weren't in Sicilian dialect.;-) But who knows, maybe Uncle Francis has a Part 4 in the works.;-)
~EileenG
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (14:38)
#632
(Mari) I haven't read Correlli, but would be interested to know why you think Nic is wrong for it.
Read the book, then we'll talk. :-P
Loved, loved, loved dear Nic in Moonstruck. He certainly deserved the Oscar for LLV. I haven't really liked him in anything else, though my DH and I have a running gag about 'put the buhn-neh back in the box'. Snake Eyes (even with Sinese) and 8MM (even with James Gandolfini): blecch.
~lafn
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (16:15)
#633
He was pitiful in "City of Angels" with Meg Ryan.He has that "horsey" kinda face and gets that gets a weird look when he tries to be moony.Maybe he needs to take
method acting lessons when he's brushing up on his Italian.
~KarenR
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (16:47)
#634
Guessn we're going to have to try harder or get ourselves a publicist! Read on:
Dame Judi's fans fly in
Dench and Palmer have a huge US fanbase
More than 50 American fans of the hit BBC sitcom As Time Goes By - who met via the internet - have made a pilgrimage to see the show recorded in London.
for rest of article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_656000/656841.stm
~lafn
Fri, Feb 25, 2000 (17:06)
#635
LOL Firthfans are even better than that.
We went two times ...to see the same show..at twice the price.
~EileenG
Sat, Feb 26, 2000 (11:23)
#636
Well, CF sure knows about his devoted pilgrimagers (pilgrims?) since he availed himself to all of you, found out the ends of the earth from which you came, etc. Had to chuckle at the publicity surrounding 3DOR around Olivier-nom time though--everyone thinks the run was sold out due to the play. Nothing against Greenberg, but I wanted to shout (James Carville style) "it's the star, stupid."
~lafn
Sat, Feb 26, 2000 (11:54)
#637
....everyone thinks the run was sold out due to the play.
Actually, everything at the Donmar sells out.They do excellent productions, at less than West End prices, and only have to sell 250 tickets per performance.
~lafn
Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (20:59)
#638
From "This is London": Interview with Anthony Minghella:
"What did you do the last time you were in Soho?
I went to a screening at Mr Young's on D'Arblay Street."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sorry we missed ya' Tony;-)
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (22:20)
#639
*hee hee* Do you think he got up and served the coffee? ;-)
Did anyone watch the show Grapevine that started tonight. The lead actor Steven Eckholdt (from that Valleyspeak-named show) bears an uncanny resemblance to Colin. What do you think?
Interesting part about tonight's show was its use of the Emma plotline. There was even a dance and no one would dance with the poor girl, except our gallant Mr. Knightly here. :-)
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (22:20)
#640
~KarenR
Mon, Feb 28, 2000 (22:24)
#641
Here's the webpage for the new show. Check out what the girl on the left is saying. :-)
http://www.cbs.com/network/tvshows/mini/grapevine/
~Moon
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (07:36)
#642
I am not so sure Karen. I guess I will have to see him in Regency dress before I can decide. ;-)
Saw the previews to High Fidelity and was v. disappointed. :-(( It is nothing as I had imagined. The way JC plays it (a bit overdone was out of character), the actors picked who work in the record shop, and the music...I guess NH took the money and ran.
~LauraMM
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (08:01)
#643
I watched Grapevine. I liked it. (Kristy Swanson is the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer). I laughed loud at the Emma plotline. Poor Elena, and she went back to her old boyfriend. The Mr. Elton character (cuter, than Elton, those blue eyes!). I liked it. Shows promise!
~MarkG
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (08:18)
#644
Did anyone in the UK follow At Home with the Braithwaites? My tape ran out before the end, and Anna is on my case to find out how it ended.
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (08:54)
#645
Miramax Films has closed a million-dollar deal for the film rights to tyro novelist David Liss� �A Conspiracy of Paper.�
Book, published earlier this month by Random House, is a mystery thriller set against the backdrop of early 18th century London and the burgeoning stock exchange.
~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmmm :-)
~lafn
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (10:42)
#646
The lead actor Steven Eckholdt ... bears an uncanny resemblance to Colin. What do you think?
In the serious one he does. In the smiley one he looks like Jonathan.
~mari
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (11:39)
#647
The happy guy looks like Kevin Anderson. Serious guy resembles CF, but has Rupert hair.;-)
Speaking of which, Moon, Rupert will on the Today Show tomorrow. I've read a couple of decent Internet reviews for Next Best Thing.
~Moon
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (15:09)
#648
When did Rupert become our mascot? He is not my Mr. Rupert. ;-)
Karen, you did start this did you not?
I did enjoy the previews for Next Best Thing and will see it (w/out DH). I am still fuming about High Fidelity.
In Miami, Grapevine got rave reviews, but I did not watch. Sorry I missed HF this morning. Is she going to be on any other show?
~KarenR
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (15:21)
#649
Karen, you did start this did you not?
Everyone blames me for everything. ;-) maybe I did? maybe I didn't
~lafn
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (15:34)
#650
Well Moon...you were touting him last summer for his role in AIH.Said he should win the BAFTA ( He was nominated for the EFA for that role, however).
The rest of us were cheering for JN.
~Moon
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (15:38)
#651
Evelyn, he was good in AIH and he is consistently good. But RE over JN? Not from my lips!
~LauraMM
Tue, Feb 29, 2000 (15:39)
#652
I liked RE in AIH. He had the funniest lines. JN was great too. Still have to see The Winslow Boy.
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 1, 2000 (08:18)
#653
BAFTA Nominations
Best Film:
American Beauty, East is East, The End of the
Affair, The Sixth Sense, The Talented Mr
Ripley.
Best Achievement in Direction:
Pedro Almodovar (All About My Mother), Sam
Mendes (American Beauty), Neil Jordan (The
End of the Affair), M. Night Shyamalan (The
Sixth Sense), Anthony Minghella (The Talented
Mr Ripley).
Outstanding British Film of the year:
East is East, Notting Hill, Onegin, Ratcatcher,
Topsy Turvey, Wonderland.
Best Original Screenplay:
All About My Mother, American Beauty, Being
John Malkovich, The Sixth Sense, Topsy Turvy.
Best Adapted Screenplay:
An Ideal Husband, East is East, The End of the
Affair,The Talented Mr Ripley.
Performance by an Actress in a leading role:
Linda Bassett (East is East), Annette Bening
(American Beauty), Julianne Moore (The End of
the Affair ), Emily Watson (Angela's Ashes).
Performance by an Actor in a leading role:
Jim Broadbent (Topsy Turvy), Russell Crowe
(The Insider), Ralph Fiennes (The End of the
Affair), Om Puri (East is East), Kevin Spacey
(American Beauty).
Performance by an Actress in a supporting role:
Thora Birch (American Beauty), Cate Blanchett
(The Talented Mr Ripley), Cameron Diaz (Being
John Malkovich), Maggie Smith (Tea with
Mussolini), Mena Suvari (American Beauty).
Performance by an Actor in a supporting role:
Wes Bentley (American Beauty), Michael Caine
(Cider House Rules), Rhys Ifans (Notting Hill),
Jude Law (The Talented Mr Ripley), Timothy
Spall (Topsy Turvy).
The Anthony Asquith Award for Achievement in Film Music:
American Beauty, Buena Vista Social Club, The
End of the Affair, The Talented Mr Ripley.
Film Not in the English Language:
All About My Mother, Buena Vista Social Club,
Festen, Run Lola Run.
Cinematography:
American Beauty, Angela's Ashes, The End of
the Affair, The Matrix, The Talented Mr Ripley.
Production Design:
American Beauty, Angela's Ashes, The End of
the Affair, The Matrix, Sleepy Hollow.
Costume Design:
An Ideal Husband, The End of the Affair,
Sleepy Hollow, Tea With Mussolini.
Editing:
American Beauty, Being John Malkovich, The
Sixth Sense, The Matrix.
Sound:
American Beauty, Buena Vista Social Club, The
Matrix, Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom
Menace.
Achievement in Special Visual Effects:
A Bugs Life, The Matrix, The Mummy, Sleepy
Hollow, Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom
Menace.
Makeup/Hair:
American Beauty, An Ideal Husband, The End
of the Affair, Topsy Turvy.
Most Promising Newcomer in British Film:
Justin Kerrigan (Human Traffic), Ayub Khan Din
(East is East), Kirk Jones (Waking Ned), Lynne
Ramsey (Ratcatcher).
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 1, 2000 (08:49)
#654
From Variety:
In another case of a female British author getting wealthy off of Hollywood, Warner Bros. has paid Robyn Sisman high six figures upfront for �Just Friends,� a romantic comedy to be produced by David Heyman.
Deal contains bestseller bonuses for the novel that push the payday past $1 million � and significantly more if the film gets made. It was a preemptive tally strong enough to end the bidding before it really got started. Novel will be published by Penguin U.K.
Deal also comes as Universal and Working Title gear up for production on the screen adaptation of Brit author Helen Fielding�s bestseller �Bridget Jones� Diary,� with Renee Zellweger in the title role.
�Just Friends� is a romantic comedy in which a guy and a girl who are best friends decide to shack up platonically. Romantic sparks ensue, but by the time both acknowledged them, he�s slept with the stepsister she loathes, and they part company in a loud breakup.
~lafn
Wed, Mar 1, 2000 (09:11)
#655
Am disappointed TWB did not receive BAFTA recognition or JN.
Thanks Karen for the list.
~mari
Wed, Mar 1, 2000 (12:32)
#656
Thanks for the BAFTA list, Karen.
Question: Does anyone know who nominates? Some of these nominees (e.g., Michael Caine) are for films that haven't opened in the UK yet.
Nice to see them recognize the kids from American Beauty, especially Bentley, who were ignored in the Oscars. A few of the other picks are horrendous, though, IMO.
~mari
Wed, Mar 1, 2000 (14:15)
#657
From the L.A. Times
Indie Films Hope to Find Life on the Auction Block
Movies * At a black-tie event, 15 films will (hopefully) go to the highest bidders. Backers hope to open up the ways in which movies are sold.
By RICHARD NATALE, Special to The Times
If the selling of independently made movies has become a major rat race, Chicago entertainment attorney Hal Kessler hopes he's come up with a better mousetrap: Auctioning off new films to the highest bidders.
Friday, Kessler's recently formed Art in Motion will attempt to sell 15 independently made films at a Films4Auction black-tie event conducted by the William Doyle Galleries at Los Angeles' Bel Age Hotel. The auction will also be simulcast on the Internet by Flixnetwork.com.
No one has ever tried to sell movies at an auction like this. (There were bankruptcy auctions for Orion Pictures' "The Addams Family" and other films as well as Carolco Pictures' properties, including sequel rights to movies like "Terminator 2" to various companies.)
But Kessler and his partners, producers Ricardo del Rio and Ramiro Gonzalez, think that if everything from Marilyn Monroe's dresses to Disney animation cels can be put on the block, they argue, why not feature-length films?
Since Art in Motion was announced last fall in the film industry trades, Kessler and his partners received more than 50 submissions, narrowing it down to a manageable 15 films that were deemed to be both credible and salable. They include comedies, dramas, documentaries and even a foreign-language film title--with production budgets ranging from $100,000 to $2 million. While some of the films have been shopped to distributors previously, few of them have been seen widely, and two are world premieres. Screenings at the Nuart and NuWilshire theaters and Raleigh Studios began Tuesday and will continue through Thursday, with each film being shown twice.
"It's an interesting concept," says Nick Stiliades, general manager of the Canadian foreign sales company S Entertainment. "After all, EBay seems to be working." And, Stiliades reasons, there are often bidding wars for movies and scripts. Why not concentrate it into the period of an evening?
The idea for an auction, according to Kessler, was born out of frustration with the very limited way in which movies are currently sold. Kessler, who has been executive producer on two independent films--1994's "The Sum of Us" starring Russell Crowe and the more recent "Finding North" starring John Benjamin Hickey (both of which were released theatrically)--is aware of the difficulty of finding distribution for independently financed movies.
"The struggle is monumental," says Kessler, who estimates that of the approximately 2,500 independent films made each year, only about 40 or 50 receive any kind of distribution. Most of them are sold via screenings at the major film festivals--Sundance, Toronto, Cannes. But not all festival films are picked up for theatrical distribution. Some genre films--usually action or suspense and, in some cases, comedies with higher-profile casts--also sometimes get picked up. Everything else falls between the cracks, dashing the hopes of both investors and fledgling filmmakers.
Kessler finds it hard to believe that all those orphan films are without merit. Even if some titles aren't appropriate for U.S. theatrical distribution, with the increased appetite for product on foreign cable and satellite systems, more films should be able to find some kind of audience.
Another problem with the current system is the arcane and byzantine manner of motion picture accounting, which is daunting to inexperienced producers. "When you have a simple seven-page sales contract for a film accompanied by a 37-page definition of what constitutes net profits, something is wrong," Kessler says.
What Art in Motion is attempting with Films4Auction is to simplify the process. Films will be sold outright "at a fair market value," rather than having the distributor pick the movie up for what amounts to a long-term lease, which is how independently made films are sold today. "This way the distributor owns the movie and doesn't have to account or report to the producers. The fair market will dictate the price he pays. And then it's his."
For the films that sell, producers will pay a 20% fee, split between Doyle Galleries and Art in Motion.
The filmmakers participating in the auction are realistic about their chances, but willing to take the risk. Karchi Perlmann, who produced the dark comedy "Rose's," about an interracial friendship, is hoping the auction will succeed where his other efforts have failed. "Rose's" has played several film festivals including Houston, the Hamptons and Boston, and has been shopped to distributors.
"Even though it performs well with audiences, nobody has wanted to buy it yet," Perlmann says. He suspects that none of the real decision-makers at a particular company have even seen the film. "It probably stopped with a 25-year-old junior executive."
The auction will attract worldwide buyers in town for the American Film Market, who will perhaps better understand the films' marketable qualities. Perlmann would like to sell it and just move on. But, he admits, "it's a long shot. I know how distributors think."
Writer-director-producer Nur Nur Cummings, whose relationship comedy "Only in L.A." premiered at the traveling Angel City Film Festival this month, has only shown the film's trailer to distributors since completing post-production six months ago. He has held back, he says, because he hasn't got the money to create promotional materials and rent screening rooms and invite buyers. He spent it all on the movie. For him, the publicity surrounding the auction offers an inexpensive way to draw attention to his film. "It gives me a much higher profile than I could do myself," Cummings says. "An auction is an unusual idea, but my film's unusual."
The writer-director of "Killing Cinderella," Lisa Abbatiello, has chosen the auction as the film's world premiere. The romantic comedy is one of the few films that actually has a fairly well-known name in the cast, Jessica Capshaw, the actress daughter of Kate Capshaw. Abbatiello decided the film festival route was not right for her movie, which despite its limited budget is a conventional Hollywood comedy.
"The auction offers more potential distributors who might be willing to buy it for cable or video," Abbatiello says. "The story is actually a good basis for a sitcom." If her film doesn't sell, Abbatiello is prepared to take a "more personal route, going door to door."
Although they endorse the concept of an auction, some buyers are questioning the timing--right on the heels of AFM--when they're likely to be suffering battle fatigue. But it could actually work, Stiliades says, especially if he finds nothing to buy at AFM and doesn't want to go home empty-handed.
His main problem is that he deems many of the minimum bids "unrealistic" and hopes the filmmakers can be persuaded to sell their films at a lower price if there are no bites at the auction.
Seth Nagel, director of theatrical and ancillary acquisitions for USA Films, was also enthused by the idea of an auction, but was hoping for a better selection. He says he's "underwhelmed" by most of the titles, few of which he thinks have a chance theatrically.
"Most [of the films] have been around for a while and we've already seen a number of them," Nagel says. Still, if the price is right he might pick something up for USA's cable or home video divisions. "I know there are movies out there that, if they were available at a price, people would buy. And who knows, maybe there's a gem in there."
Kessler has no illusions that all the films will sell. Even just one would be a start, three or four would be terrific. "Even if we sell only a few movies, we will be instantly credible and create a venue that never existed before," he says.
"We had three objectives," he says. "The first was to get sufficient product, and we did. The second was to have value, and we believe we have more than enough. The third is whether people will buy. We're not going to know the answer to that until March 3."
~fitzwd
Wed, Mar 1, 2000 (14:21)
#658
He suspects that none of the real decision-makers at a particular company have even seen the film. "It probably stopped with a 25-year-old junior executive."
Oh Mari, isn't that pathetic! And how true...
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 1, 2000 (14:27)
#659
Good article, Mari. I'd read about the auction before in news items in the trades, when they were advertising for submissions.
~lafn
Thu, Mar 2, 2000 (14:36)
#660
...few of them have been seen widely, and two are world premieres.
Now that would be embarassing...to have your World Premiere at a film auction!
~~~~~~~~
"Most [of the films] have been around for a while and we've already seen a number of them,"
Do you think he's talking about our SLOW?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
... rather than having the distributor pick the movie up for what
amounts to a long-term lease, which is how independently made films are sold today.
So even after a distributor picks up a film, he's till "wedlocked" to the producer?No wonder they're so cautious.
Interesting article, Mari. Thanks.
~LauraMM
Thu, Mar 2, 2000 (15:12)
#661
Evelyn, I had the strangest dream last night. I was at the Bafta's and Rosemary Harris and Jennifer Ehle were up for an award in the same role, however RH was nominated in the Supporting Category and JE was in the Main Actress category. It was bizarre, because when Jennifer won, they called out the winner of the supporting category and RH won as well, so they were both giving winning speeches. Am I losing it?
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 2, 2000 (15:26)
#662
(Evelyn) So even after a distributor picks up a film, he's till "wedlocked" to the producer?
The accounting for revenue and net profit. A lot of people have a stake in this. A distributor distributes the film and gets a cut of the receipts, as well as the theatre owner, and the rest goes back to the studio/production co to payout to others with a cut of the action.
~lafn
Thu, Mar 2, 2000 (16:44)
#663
I was at the Bafta's and Rosemary Harris and Jennifer Ehle were up for an award in the same role
LOL Laura.It could have been actuality except that at the Genie Awards (Canada) they were both up for Best Actress in "Sunshine" and sadly lost to some no name.Some conjecture is that the panel votes were split.
~~~~~~~
(Karen) A distributor distributes the film and gets a cut of the receipts, as well as the theatre owner, and the rest goes back to the studio/production co to payout to others with a cut of the action.
So a distributor has nothing to lose? Does that mean the guys at Optimum didn't lose on SLOW? ( I worry about them.I sorta hate to build these distribs up about what a hit they have on their hands with CF and then it goes belly-up. We did that with Phaedra, remember?)
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 2, 2000 (18:02)
#664
No, they paid for distribution rights and may not get their money back or make any kind of decent profit.
~Moon
Thu, Mar 2, 2000 (19:12)
#665
The distributor also loses when there is a limited space availabilty at the theatres. He could be planning on showing a film at several theatres and if Hollywood decides to release a movie earlier or later than planned and it coincides with his release dates, the spot will go to Hollywood and he may not be able to fit it in the theatres schedules again for months.
Thanks for the Bafta list, Karen. I am glad to see Kate Blanchett who did a great job in TTMR.
This is a very busy time for me and I may not have much time to post, but I am reading, so keep up the good work. :-)
~mari
Fri, Mar 3, 2000 (14:38)
#666
From the BBC:
Box office hit American Beauty has swept the board at a critics' awards ceremony - leaving last year's Oscars' hit Shakespeare in Love with nothing.
The two films had rivalled each other at the top of the nominations list for this year's Awards of the London Film Critics Circle (Alfs), in the running for seven each.
Main award winners
British Film of the Year - East Is East
Film of the Year - American Beauty
Special Achievement Award - Mike Leigh
Actress of the Year - Annette Bening (American Beauty)
Actor of the Year - Kevin Spacey (American Beauty)
But American Beauty stole the glory at the London ceremony by taking five trophies, including Film of the Year.
American Beauty, a dark US suburban satire, is already shortlisted for eight Oscars and 14 Baftas. Shakespeare in Love won seven Oscars last year.
The film's maker, British high-flier Sam Mendes, was rewarded as Best Director.
It also won honours for Best Screenwriter Alan Ball, Best Actor Kevin Spacey and Best Actress Annette Bening.
Mendes said: "I worked for 10 years in the theatre and won one award and I seem to be winning one every day at the moment.
East is East was best British film
"It's strange but it's very nice. I think on some level some part of me never thought the film would be a hit until it hit Britain. I was on tenterhooks until it opened here."
Thanking the critics, Mendes said it was partly their enthusiastic response which had helped the film do so well.
Low-budget British hit East Is East was also the winner of more than one award.
It was named Best British Film, won the Best British Screenwriter prize for Ayub Khan Din, and Best British Producer for Leslee Udwin.
The movie has already been picked out for six possible Baftas.
Emily Watson was shocked to be named Best British Actress for her roles in Angela's Ashes and Hilary and Jackie.
Best British Actor was Jeremy Northam, adding to a growing list of awards he has won for his roles in The Winslow Boy and An Ideal Husband.
Screen veteran Michael Caine - another Oscar contender - took the Best Supporting Actor title for his seedy agent in Little Voice.
In a taped message, he joked to guests: "I'd like to thank the critics for at last giving me a good time. You gave me a lifetime achievement last year without actually noticing that I've achieved anything."
Lynne Ramsay was honoured as Best British Director for her film Ratcatcher, set in Glasgow during the binmen's strike of the 1970s.
Mike Leigh, known for a string of gritty comedies, was given a special achievement award.
~amw
Sat, Mar 4, 2000 (01:53)
#667
Another interesting snippet from BB yesterday (Daily Mail) and that is that Natasha Little was supposed to appear in the forthcoming film "Enigma" but her contract was bought up so that Kate Winslet could take the part, poor Natasha, hope she was well compensated.
~lafn
Sat, Mar 4, 2000 (11:34)
#668
.... forthcoming film "Enigma" but her contract was bought up so that Kate
Winslet could take the part, poor Natasha, hope she was well compensated.
I wonder how often that's done. Eats up a budget, but in this case, it will be made up with KW starring.(Why pick NL, anyway?...she was a terrible Fanny Price in VF,generally a poor Andrew Davies screenplay too, IMO,)
~Moon
Sat, Mar 4, 2000 (13:12)
#669
I saw the preview for the new Hugh Hudson film, "from the director of Chariots of Fire," was the intro, no mention of MLSF! It stars Kim Bassinger and takes place in Africa, based on a real story again. Was not impressed.
~Arami
Sat, Mar 4, 2000 (18:28)
#670
poor Natasha, hope she was well compensated.
Not so poor anymore: according to the showbiz gossip in another UK paper, since the contract has already been signed, she's going to get the full fee for doing nothing: �300 000 - how lucky can you get?
~KarenR
Sat, Mar 4, 2000 (23:04)
#671
From Richard Brooks' column in The Sunday Times an item of interest, especially to those who saw 3DOR:
The Great Gatsby was the most widely read American novel of the 20th century. Yet F Scott Fitzgerald's portrait of the rich and privileged of the jazz age was first written as another book, Trimalchio. Same main characters, but different personalities and story lines. Trimalchio (it's the name of a nouveau-riche freed slave from a book by the Roman writer Petronius) is also more obsessed with snobbery and personalities.
Fitzgerald knew Trimalchio didn't quite work and so rapidly rewrote it. Now it's to be published for the first time next month by Cambridge University Press. Why bother? "Because it's a good book in its own right, even though, of course, Gatsby is a great one," says James West, professor of English at Penn State University, who has been working on Trimalchio for the past couple of years.
The book will largely be of interest to academics and a few Fitzgerald fans. Of course, most novels have earlier incarnations. Sir Malcolm Bradbury, who wrote the preface to an Everyman version of The Great Gatsby, tells me his first attempt at The History Man was quite different. Originally it was written in the past tense, which somehow seems appropriate for The History Man. The published version was in the present tense. His original, by the way, is kept at the University of East Anglia for students on the creative writing course to read.
~patas
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (05:43)
#672
(mari)Box office hit American Beauty has swept the board at a critics' awards ceremony - leaving last year's Oscars'hit Shakespeare in Love with nothing.
Talk about hype...
~patas
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (05:45)
#673
(KarenR)From Richard Brooks' column in The Sunday Times an item of interest, especially to those who saw 3DOR
Why?
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (08:36)
#674
Trimalchio, of course. :-)
~fitzwd
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (10:13)
#675
Geesh, I thought I understood the 3DOR reference and now I don't. I know Richard Greenburg, author, had re-written one of his early plays (maybe his first) that became 3DOR. But Trimalchio, I am at a loss. Help!
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (10:27)
#676
During our discussion of the play, Moon had provided the following definition of Trimalchio to better understand the context of Lina's comment about the salad:
The word is Trimalci�nico, it comes from Trimalcione, the character in Satyricon by Petronio. Trimalcione gives a huge banquet: grandiose, sumptuous, spectacular. The word is associated with banquets.
Gi added the following:
Trimalchion (Greek name) was also a nouveau riche type, as opposed to Lucullus, also known for his lavish banquets but who was a real Roman aristocrat.
The discussion is posted at firth.com, along with a Cliff Notes for the references:
http://www.firth.com/filmdis/3dor/3dor-part1.htm
~fitzwd
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (10:31)
#677
Thanks! For a moment there I was scratching my head thinking, "was Trimalchio something that Walker mentioned when he was talking about booleon algebra and Umbert Eco"! LOL
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (11:35)
#678
Nah, Trimalchio doesn't fit within that illustrious other group of logical theorists. The third was Hegel.
So next time you attend a particularly lavish and garish banquet be sure to work the word Trimalchian into the conversation and watch everybody scratch their heads. ;-)
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (11:37)
#679
...that is, unless you attend banquets with Gi and Moon, in which case, the reference would not be lost. ;-)
~lafn
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (12:01)
#680
Thanks Karen...actually it has become one of my favorite words.."Trimalchian Feast".Throw it out to some academics, Donna;-)
Richard Greenberg is hard work, but he's worth it.
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (22:35)
#681
Live Movie Auction Gets No Takers (by Cynthia L. Webb, AP)
Independent filmmakers drew laughs and a few bids at the first live movie auction, but failed to sell a single film.
Promoters are still holding out hope that some bidders will follow through and snap up some of the 15 films that included a tale of four 20-something sunbathers talking about sex and a documentary starring live rodents from the nation's capital.
"It's not like we threw a party and no one came," said Alfred Newman, an event spokesman, who pointed to the auction's standing-room-only turnout.
The Films4Auction event Friday night was touted as a new way for independent films to get distribution. Some 300 people gathered at a hotel ballroom for the public sale and watched clips of the independent films, but only an estimated 27 in the audience were potential buyers, organizers said. A few waved paddles to offer bids.
The entire lot failed to meet the non-disclosed reserve prices set by the organizers, the auction house and the movies' producers.
The screenwriter and director of a romantic comedy dubbed "Killing Cinderella" said festivals like Sundance have become a showcase for polished works, not for getting independent films distributed. Even if her film didn't get picked up at the auction, Lisa Abbatiello, 29, thought it might be good just to say she was part of the premiere event.
"I just decided to take the risk," she said.
Bidding for her film, a romantic comedy about a young woman torn between a sophisticated Prince Charming and her bartending best friend, was started at $175,000, but the minimum price needed to sell the film was not met.
Rudolf Van Den Berg of Holland was trying to get distribution for his sixth feature film, "For My Baby," about a troubled man who dresses up like his dead sister as a way to remember her. But the $750,000 minimum bid passed with no interested buyers.
The director said before the auction that a no-sale would make him sad, but said "it's all in the game" of moviemaking.
Entrants had to pay $375 to get their film in the auction. Fifty films were submitted and a panel whittled them down to 15, said Hal "Corky" Kessler, a lawyer and partner in the group that staged the event. Many of the works were first time projects. Eleven had been at various film festivals.
Kessler said representatives from reputable companies - he wouldn't say which ones - had approached him after the auction and told him to let them know which films were still available. He said representatives from Miramax, USA Films and Tristar had attended.
"The very fact that we had bids out there tells us this works," Kessler said.
"You have to introduce the category to the public and that is what we did," said Kathleen Doyle, CEO of William Doyle Galleries, which teamed up with Kessler's Art in Motion to hold the auction.
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 5, 2000 (22:51)
#682
The Writers Guild of America awarded Alan Ball Best Screenplay written directly for the screen to "American Beauty," with Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor winning for Best Screenplay based on material previously produced or published for "Election."
...and there was the cinematographers one a week ago... ;-)
~LauraMM
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (06:58)
#683
Just read this in Boston Herald.
Angelina Jolie is slated to play Lara Croft in live action Tomb Raider. Wonder how they'll enhance her;)
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (09:27)
#684
Do they need to? I can see the resemblance. ;-)
~patas
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (09:36)
#685
Karen, thanks for explaining about Trimalchion, I had forgotten all about it.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (10:05)
#686
When you've edited something, you tend to remember each and every comment. :-)
~CherylB
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (17:00)
#687
The ASC (American Society of Cinematographers) awarded best cinematography for a feature film to Conrad Hall for his work on "American Beauty". Hall is something of a legend for his work on "In Cold Blood" and "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid", among other films. Hall is also the son of one of the writers of the book "Mutiny on the Bounty".
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (17:31)
#688
The ASC award info was posted on Feb. 22.
~CherylB
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (17:35)
#689
That's what I get for only checking back 1 week. Sorry.
~mari
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (19:48)
#690
From the what-in-the-world-could-this-guy-be-smoking department. Worst reviews I've read in a long time. And check out the paycheck. From Reuters:
*****
Rupert Wrangles for Writing Cred
Not only does Rupert Everett play proud pappy to Madonna's baby in their new movie, The Next Best Thing, but he also claims to have fathered something else--the film's screenplay.
The actor and his writing partner, Mel Bordeaux, say they rewrote key elements in the The Next Best Thing but were denied writing credit by the Writers Guild of America. The two claim they altered a key scene in the movie by having Madonna's character, Abbie, and Everett's Robert accidentally sleep together after one too many martinis. The original script, says Everett, called for Abbie asking Robert to donate sperm for artificial insemination.
"It went to arbitration and the original writer won, so I can't really talk about it," says Everett of the WGA's decision to award sole screen credit to original writer Thomas Ropelewski.
But Madonna recently threw her two cents into the fray when she told Entertainment Weekly Online that her costar and his writing partner made significant contributions to the script and deserve screenwriting credit.
"Rupert had lots to do with writing this story and we all know it," says the Material One. "Our relationship seemed so mercenary in the first script. It was this test-tube situation. We wanted it to be more about us really caring about each other."
According to Madonna, Everett also made such monumental alterations as switching the setting of the story from its no-name locale to Los Angeles and changing Madonna's occupation from swimming instructor to yoga teacher. And lest we forget, Madonna also says Everett convinced her to cover Don McLean's "American Pie" for the soundtrack.
Alas, those changes do not a credit make. Ropelewski says the WGA's three-member panel made the right decision to rule in his favor because Everett's changes never affected the arc of the story. "The things they rewrote were easy to change" he tells EW Online. "He did a polish, but he didn't change anything structural." (Translation: that yoga instructor thing doesn't count.)
"It seems ironic to me that an actor who makes $3 million a picture yearns to be a modestly paid and ill-respected screenwriter," add Ropelewski.
"You can't identify a certain percentage of what someone wrote," says Annett Wolf, Everett's publicist. She adds that the actor will live with the WGA's decision.
Our big question is why would Everett want to be credited on such a turkey of a film anyway. Next Best Thing opened to dreadful reviews and even worse box office. In its first weekend of release, the flick debuted at No. 2 behind the Bruce Willis hit-man comedy The Whole Nine Yards, with a dismal $5.9 million-- practically guaranteeing the grumbling over the credits will outlast the film
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (20:46)
#691
I found it amazing as well. Do you think he'll want credit for Madonna's version of American Pie as well? Saw bits of the video. He looked pretty good.
~Moon
Mon, Mar 6, 2000 (21:10)
#692
Do you think he'll want credit for Madonna's next offspring? ;-D
I have only seen the previews, but debuting at #2 is not bad. I have never liked Madonna as an actress or singer, Rupert at least can act and now he wants everyone to know he can write too. (If you call that writing!)
I wonder how much she got paid for her role? If Rupi gets 3 mil. and he is relatively known here, I wonder how much Colin would get? Any guesses?
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (08:16)
#693
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (08:34)
#694
~Moon
Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (08:45)
#695
Wow, Karen! You are in the "carnevale " spirit! :-) It makes me think of how much fun they are having in Italy.
I hope this works, I have not been able to post an image lately.
~EileenG
Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (08:50)
#696
Happy Fat Tuesday, everyone!
Yesterday's MSN home page featured a pic of Madonna with the caption 'bombs away.' The accompanying story was along the lines of 'Why Madonna's Movies Always Tank'. Ouch! Thus far I haven't read anything good about the movie (Rupi steals the show but essentially reprises his role from MBFW; Madonna's acting leaves much to be desired, movie can't decide whether it's a light comedy or a courtroom melodrama, etc.). Doubt we'll see this at #2 next weekend (My Dog Skip was hot on its heels).
~Arami
Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (17:31)
#697
Sorry to interrupt, but I am trying to post on another board and it's not working. I simply must test it here... :-)
~mari
Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (20:49)
#698
My kind of crowd--ya'll even celebrate Mardi Gras.;-) But Karen, I hear tell those Cariocas were topless this year! ;-)
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 7, 2000 (22:41)
#699
Anybody here interested in topless babes? Naw, I didn't think so. On the other hand, were any of the Krewe Kings mooning anyone?
~lafn
Wed, Mar 8, 2000 (10:39)
#700
SUNSHINE US release date: December 17
UK " " April 21
New Alliance- Atlantis website:
http://www.allianceatlantisfilms.com/shocked/index2.html
Click on Box Office and then "Sunshine".
Vid of Rafe. But JE gets second billing :-))
Thanks Karen
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 8, 2000 (10:40)
#701
Evelyn, that date was probably referring to the Canadian opening in December 1999, don't you think?
~lafn
Wed, Mar 8, 2000 (10:53)
#702
Canadian opening in December 1999, don't you
think?
Oops!You think they don't update their website dates?
Must check with distrib .
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 8, 2000 (11:37)
#703
Alliance isn't the distrib in the US.
~lafn
Wed, Mar 8, 2000 (12:13)
#704
Alliance isn't the distrib in the US.
I know, Paramount Classics is.But Alliance is nicer:-)
US release date is June 9th.
~CherylB
Wed, Mar 8, 2000 (16:48)
#705
CNN informed me that the New Orleans Police Department was cracking down on public displays of nudity this year. Believe it or not, it is illegal, even during Mardi Gras. Love the dancing 'gators though. They have trumpets too. Do they know "When the Saints Go Marching In".
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 9, 2000 (08:19)
#706
From The Hollywood Reporter:
LAS VEGAS -- What's the word on Miramax Films' 25-minute product reel of 13 films? Youth-oriented fare. From the U.K. modern manners/arranged marriage comedy "East Is East" to the rugged American "Texas Rangers" to a slate of young adult-skewed comedies such as horror spoof "Scary Movie" and "Girls & Boys," exhibitors reacted well to two Tuesday-night product reel screenings. "I think (Miramax) will do well with the 'She's All That' crowd," one exhibition executive said. "They've got a good corner on the teen market."
~patas
Thu, Mar 9, 2000 (10:00)
#707
Ok. We're dead :-(
~EileenG
Thu, Mar 9, 2000 (10:27)
#708
(Cheryl) CNN informed me
Hey, did Bernie call you directly? Do you know Ted? ;-P
"They've got a good corner on the teen market."
Given the success of Scream 3, I'm not surprised to read this.
~lafn
Thu, Mar 9, 2000 (12:10)
#709
"They've got a good corner on the teen market."
(Gi)Ok. We're dead :-(
Not necessarily....they pay for all the Brit imports and foreign films.
My cineplex manager tells me the art-house films never make a profit, he makes it from the "Deuce Bigelow" and "Scream 3" that play on three screens.
So those teenagers are paying for the films we see!
No company is going to make a profit producing the ilk of MLSF alone.
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (08:10)
#710
Lover accused British war poet Brooke of cruelty
LONDON (Reuters) - Golden-boy of British war poetry Rupert Brooke lost a little of his shine Thursday when a former lover's memoirs, discovered 85 years after his death, accused him of being cruel and insensitive.
The memoirs -- which include details of a naked romp in a field near Brooke's Cambridgeshire home -- were found with a bundle of about 50 letters left to the British Library by his sister Delphis on the condition they stayed sealed for 50 years.
The letters were opened late last year, but their contents were only revealed by library officials Thursday.
Phyllis Gardner, an arts student previously thought to be no more than a friend, told how she could sense Brooke was about to leave her for another woman in a 90-page history of the affair.
"There was a sense of impending doom about (the relationship). He was not particularly sensitive to her feelings," a library spokesman said, adding the details would be kept under wraps until a biographer had studied the memoirs.
Part of the cache will go on public display in the library's Millennium exhibition and the memoirs will be studied to see what light they shed on a mental breakdown the poet was thought to have suffered in 1912-1913 -- the time of the affair.
"The letters and the memoir will give Brooke scholars...a whole new body of work with which to re-evaluate and interpret some of his early poems," curator of the library exhibition Chris Fletcher said.
Brooke, who died of blood poisoning in 1915 on an island in the Aegean region, where Britain was fighting Turkey, is remembered for his boyish good looks, intellect and patriotism. His sonnet "The Soldier" is a staple for literature students.
"If I should die, think only this of me: That there's some corner of a foreign field that is forever England," resonate as some of the country's best-known verses.
But the reality of war and morbid death also permeated his love letters and poetry.
One of the British Library letters told Gardner: "One day you'll die" and sent her a handwritten copy of his poem "Beauty and Beauty."
"When Beauty and Beauty meet, All naked, fair to fair, The earth is crying-sweet...Veiling all that may befall After-- after--," he wrote.
After his death at the age of 27, Winston Churchill wrote his obituary in The Times.
"The poet-soldier told with all the simple force of genius the sorrow of youth about to die and the sure, triumphant consolations of a sincere and valiant spirit," wrote the future Prime Minister.
~patas
Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (08:51)
#711
(KarenR) Lover accused British war poet Brooke of cruelty
Only know him from the audio play, The One before the Last, and would tend to agree, at least on the "insensitive" part.
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (09:02)
#712
(Gi) would tend to agree, at least on the "insensitive" part.
Me too, but if you had a mother like his... ;-)
Longer article in The Guardian:
http://www.booksunlimited.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,145213,00.html
~mari
Fri, Mar 10, 2000 (11:27)
#713
(Evelyn) Not necessarily....they pay for all the Brit imports and foreign films . . .So those teenagers are paying for the films we see!
Agree completely. Between the actual costs of filming plus the marketing expenditures, Miramax put out well over $100 million just for TEP and SIL alone. Granted, those two more than made the money back, but the initial investment has to come from somewhere. I've been looking at their slate for the cominmg year, and there's lots of non-teen stuff there too, including three Shakespeare adaptations and a Merchant-Ivory production. So, they're not giving up the ship. But they *do* have to pay for the ship.;-)
~heide
Sat, Mar 11, 2000 (09:34)
#714
Interesting about Brooke... I've read a couple of things on him recently. First signs of future projects? There's a biography of him by Nigel Jones published just last autumn that apparently isn't coy about his active sex life either. From the radioplay I had always assumed he leaned more strongly towards homosexuality but it now appears to me he wasn't indiscriminate about either sex. He was a handsome devil though, just couldn't shake them all off I suppose. ;-)
(Karen) but if you had a mother like his... ;-)
LOL! Is she possibly the worst? I may take this over to topic 98 just to discuss all those productions Colin's been in where he had some serious mother problems.
~CherylB
Sat, Mar 11, 2000 (14:39)
#715
Eileen, Bernie Shaw sends you his regards, and you can call him Bernie. Ted is well and would like you to know that the buffalo are doing well on the ranch. He requests that you call him Mr. Turner.
~mari
Sat, Mar 11, 2000 (20:08)
#716
Just a reminder for those in the U.S. and Canada: the Screen Actors Guild Awards are on tomorrow (Sunday) evening on TNT, starting at 8 p.m., Eastern time.
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (08:01)
#717
The Telegraph has an even more detailed article about the Rupert letters, based on "exclusive access to the letters"
An excerpt:
Phyllis then let down her hair and ran her head up and down his back, "and I understood how an animal that loves you feels when it rubs you with its head," she confessed, "and I went on rubbing in a kind of ecstasy."
I want the book!! You can read the article here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000576481449931&rtmo=aTX5CKuJ&atmo=lllllljx&pg=/et/00/3/11/babroo.html
~heide
Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (10:39)
#718
Ummm, the book does sound good. I want to read that and his bio. Is it possible the sudden interest in Rupert may signal future projects? Too bad Colin's too old now to play Rupert. :-( or should that be ;-)
~lafn
Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (14:17)
#719
Over the weekend I went to a Blockbuster in the northern part of the state that is as big as
Walmart (Tesco/Asda). The holdings are computerized...one types in the actor and up
comes all the films in that store. ALL of Colin�s films were in stock. I wonder how many
Blockbuster�s in UK can match that.I checked out �The Very Thought of You �and
MLSF. The former was released in the UK as Martha, Meet Daniel, Frank and Lawrence
(I think)..starring Tom Hollander, JF and Rufus Sewell.A Miramax film ,it got a v. limited
(if any) theatrical release in the US, but it is doing v. well on video (4 copies). It is funny,
cleverly written with a good twist in the boy meets girl syndrome...cool and hip.MLSF did at least get a fair theatrical release but is not doing as well on vid (1 copy).
So we should be grateful that it was shown at all.Not all Brit films make it.
BTW, this was my first viewing since Karen asked Colin the question about the
hayloft....and IMO it was purposely filmed to pose an ambiguous situation.
I really can�t wait to own this film....it�s one he can be proud of.
~alyeska
Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (18:57)
#720
I rented MLSF while we were in Nashville. Now I want to buy it so that I can watch it again and again. Had no problem with the accents. Maybe thats because I grew up with such. He never ceases to amaze me with how much he can convey with just the expressions on his face and with the look in his eyes.
~Arami
Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (19:16)
#721
Why is the above comment in Odds and Ends and not in CF? (yes, I know that one possible answer is that Odds and Ends is mainly about CF anyway...) ;-)
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (23:32)
#722
Do they really even need to have an Oscar broadcast? ;-) Seems a foregone conclusion.
Mendes has won the Directors Guild award and now Spacey, Benning and the AB ensemble cast got the SAG awards. I do wonder if Benning's will hold up to Swank. (Hmm, last year, relative newcomer; this year, established actress who has *paid* her dues.)
Angelina Jolie was the fav as was Caine (yuck) in the supporting categories.
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 12, 2000 (23:38)
#723
Finally!! Next time we all meet after a play, we should be able to find a place to go that doesn't close at 11. From The Times:
BRITAIN is to adopt the more relaxed continental attitude to drinking and allow pubs to stay open for 24 hours a day.
The biggest change in the licensing laws since the First World War is to be announced later this month in a government White Paper, details of which have been obtained by The Times. As early as summer next year, Britons will be able to enjoy the same liberal drinking laws as the rest of Europe, where people spill out of restaurants, cinemas and theatres to drink in caf�s and bars until the early hours of the morning. The White Paper will allow pubs to close when they choose, or to serve alcohol all night.
~patas
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (05:37)
#724
(heide) Too bad Colin's too old now to play Rupert. :-( or should that be ;-)
Never mind, they'd have got Hugh Grant for the part :-(... I just watched Notting Hill on video, and found myself wondering what CF would have made of it.
I bet he would have been a lot more convincing.
~Moon
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (07:35)
#725
(Karen), Do they really even need to have an Oscar broadcast? ;-) Seems a foregone conclusion.
Agree! Roberto Benigni and Billy Crystal will have to put some extra excitement there.
Saw the SAG Awards. Gwynnie, what was the deal on her dress? And her hair? She must be going through some crisis.
~SusanMC
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (08:34)
#726
(Heide) Too bad Colin's too old now to play Rupert. :-( or should that be ;-)
(Gi) Never mind, they'd have got Hugh Grant for the part :-(
Sad, but true.
I think Jude Law should drop everything and dash to acquire the rights to play Brooke. He's the right age, has the right looks... and is tailor-made for al fresco romping;-)
~CherylB
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (15:13)
#727
(Heide) Too bad Colin's too old now to play Rupert:
(Gi) Never mind, they'd have got Hugh Grant for the part:
Maybe they would've hired Grant, but had it made in the late 1980's or early 1990's; it seems Daniel Day-Lewis would have gotten the part. This would probably have been the case if it were an American backed project. As far as American producers were concerned there was pretty much no other young British actor than DDL. Or so it seemed.
Jude Law. Well you know I love him, but I rather see Linus Roche as Brooke. I wouldn't be adverse to Law. But I really don't want him to become, (pardon the pun), overexposed. Sorry. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that. I just get sick of some actors, they're everywhere in everything, it seems.
~Moon
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (17:29)
#728
Look who is doing the Bard with KB. From the E. Telegraph today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=001533513654540&rtmo=Q0kO90mR&atmo=YYYYYYYp&pg=/et/00/3/13/tlsilv13.html
~CherylB
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (17:31)
#729
And she's brunette!
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (17:38)
#730
Hmmm, the article mentions a boyfriend by name. Thought KB had dumped Helena for Alicia. Wasn't that the gossip?
~heide
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (19:23)
#731
Daniel Day Lewis...now there's a name from the past. What's happened to his career? Can't remember anything since The Boxer.
Yes, Jude Law does seem to be the flavor of the month but I agree he'd make a good Rupert. LOL on this speculation (which I happily started) since there is not film to speak of.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 13, 2000 (23:37)
#732
Article about Mark Strong, with a mention of Colin toward the end, from Tuesday's Times:
Brightest star in Mamet's plow
In the age of the headline-grabbing celebrity thespian, Mark Strong is an old-fashioned actor - always employed, always well received, yet unassuming enough to pass unnoticed in his local caf�, where I find him quietly sipping coffee and reading the newspaper. Perhaps most recognisable for his television roles in Our Friends in the North with Christopher Eccleston and Births, Deaths and Marriages with Ray Winstone, Strong is getting ready to beguile West End audiences as film producer Bobby Gould in Peter Gill's revival of David Mamet's 1988 black comedy, Speed-the-Plow.
"Even though I've done 30 plays in 12 years, I haven't done a Mamet before," he says. "I've seen a couple of his plays, like Glengarry Glen Ross, but I've never acted in one. And I tell you, it's been a fantastic experience so far."
Strong's co-star is Patrick Marber, the Olivier-winning writer of Closer, which starred Strong at the National. "It's a short, punchy, funny, dark play about two Hollywood producers sitting around talking about making a film," explains Strong. "They've got a big star who's agreed to leave his studio and make a film with them. Then this girl [Kimberly Williams] comes into the picture and upsets the applecart.
"There's a bit of sexual tension, but mainly it's an exploration of art versus commerce and good versus evil. Ten years ago it was seen as a poke at Hollywood, now I think it has relevance about the way people talk about film in Britain."
The production may be Strong's first Mamet, but it's also Marber's acting debut. "We stayed good friends after Closer," explains Strong, "and we did a lot of reading together for this. But as it turns out we are very different actors - he is first and foremost a writer and a director, so he has a very analytical style. I'm much more instinctive and emotional. The methods are different but the results are the same." And they are both doing American accents. "I played an American in front of another American when I did The Iceman Cometh with Kevin Spacey at the Almeida, so I'm quite used to it," says Strong. "But I don't think it's a disadvantage doing Mamet if you are an Englishman. His writing is very musical, which makes it easier.
"It's fast, punctuated, intricate dialogue that you can't busk and you can't ad lib around," he grins. "It's like a dance, you are literally dancing with the other person. There are no complete sentences, there are sounds as well as words."
It wasn't just the Mamet script that drew Strong in, however, it was also the prospect of getting back into the theatre. His involvement in television dramas such as Bombers, Trust and In the Name of Love, as well as a spell in Hungary filming Istv�n Szab�'s Sunshine with Ralph Fiennes, have kept Strong off the stage for more than two years.
"It's the longest time I've been away," he says. "I've never left a gap like that before. What I was looking forward to most of all was getting back into a rehearsal room and having the time and the space to work on something over a period of time, rather than turning up on the day and seeing how it goes." He is also looking forward to performing for a live audience again. "I'm really happy to be back in front of real people," he enthuses. "It's the immediacy of their reaction that I like. I mean, they will either applaud or throw veg."
Not that there's been much veg throwing in 36-year-old Strong's extraordinary career. From the National Theatre to Fever Pitch with Colin Firth, from the Royal Shakespeare Company to The Buddha of Suburbia, he has been extraordinarily successful for a man who claims to have stumbled into acting more or less by mistake. "I didn't know what I wanted to do. I thought, perhaps I should become a lawyer because it would make my Mum happy," he says, explaining a year spent studying law at Munich University. "But I very quickly realised how dull it was and that it wasn't for me. So I chose acting as something that wasn't dull. I was never one of those twinkletoes who'd been desperate to climb on stage from the age of three."
He was born Marco Giuseppe Salussolia, the only child of an Italian father and an Austrian mother who emigrated to London in the 1960s. His mother changed his name by deed poll so that he would "fit in". "I think she probably just opened a dictionary," he laughs. Educated at various boarding schools in Surrey and Norfolk, he spent most of his childhood away from his family while his mother worked in Germany. "School was in a little field surrounded by loads of other fields, so they gave us lots to do to keep us busy. I had a great time. It was where I learnt to relate to other people, not having grown up with brothers or sisters."
After a drama degree at Royal Holloway, and a postgrad course at Bristol Old Vic, it wasn't long before Mark was clocking up his stage hours in rep. "It was gold dust - it gave me the chance to learn and make mistakes without being punished for them," he says. "I have played everything from second spearholder to the lead at the National."
His big break came after an eight-year apprenticeship on stage when he landed the part of Tosker Cox in Our Friends in the North. Since then he's never been out of a job. "It's the slow steady build," he muses. "It's a question of how long you want to be in this business. I still want to be doing this in my sixties, so I'm in no hurry. I feel like the more you learn the better the parts are to come."
After Speed-the-Plow, Strong will be back on the small screen in Channel 4's Anna Karenina, and then there's Sunshine, which opens later in the year. But he's determined to maintain that low profile. "I want to stay working in good quality stuff," he says. "I don't want to be a celebrity and I'm not particularly interested in the money. The older I get the more I realise there is no substitute for quality. I just want to do intelligent, well thought-out work because in the end that's the most satisfying."
~MarkG
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (03:26)
#733
Educated at various boarding schools in Surrey and Norfolk...
Interesting. I was at a boarding school in Surrey where a boy called ? Strong played Horatio in the school Hamlet. (Hamlet was already taken by Stephen Tredre, who tragically died young after being Kate Winslet's boyfriend and inspiration). I was Rosencrantz.
I'll have to see if I can find the programme at home. The age would be almost right, but I don't remember the face at all (or rather my memory is very different from the look of the guy in FP).
~LauraMM
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (07:26)
#734
Mark Strong probably had more hair then? :) Marco, nice Italian name;)
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (09:48)
#735
(MarkG) I'll have to see if I can find the programme at home.
Definitely, take a look! Wouldn't that be fun.
~lafn
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (09:48)
#736
Thanks Karen....he's got excellent credentials...
Educated at various boarding schools in Surrey and Norfolk...
... drama degree at Royal Holloway, and a postgrad course at Bristol Old Vic
I wasn't terribly impressed with him in FP, must try to see him on stage...look forward to seeing him in "Sunshine"; I think he plays Rafe's brother.
The crowd at Toronto gave him good reviews.
~lafn
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (10:06)
#737
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANN
~lafn
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (10:11)
#738
One more try...
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (10:13)
#739
Here's Evelyn's first one:
~amw
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (10:41)
#740
Oh, they are lovely thanks very much, especially the droolable one!
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (10:53)
#741
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANN!!!!
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (10:57)
#742
Look who we've arranged to have a quiet little birthday dinner with you tonight!! I don't think you'll feel like ordering dessert. ;-)
We won't tell James if you won't
~EileenG
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (11:03)
#743
Happy Birthday, Ann!
*imagine a big, juicy pic of Edward Pettigrew here* [sorry, I'm still Netscapeless]
caption [read with Scots accent]: "For your birthday, Ann, here is the same delightful sampler of sphagnum moss products I gave to Heloise in the moss loft. Oh, I beg your pardon--you have not seen My Life So Far as yet, have you? 'Tis another 52 days until it opens in the UK? No problem, then. I shall be waiting for you, Ann. Humph. Now I find I must take a cold plunge in the loch..."
~Tracy
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (13:00)
#744
Just for you Ann!
~MarciaH
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (14:13)
#745
Hauoli Na Hanau, Ann
~MarciaH
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (14:15)
#746
That lei is tuberose and lantern ilima blossoms, and it smells exquisite. I had one a few weeks ago and it hung around my lamp until it no longer was fragrant.
~Moon
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (14:23)
#747
Tanti, tanti, Auguri! Ann!
May All Your Wishes Come True!
I think we all share a few. ;-)
~CherylB
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (14:56)
#748
Happy birthday Ann, hope it's one of the best ever.
~CherylB
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (15:03)
#749
Mark if you were Rosencrantz, who was Guildenstern?
~patas
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (15:29)
#750
~patas
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (15:34)
#751
Coming in on Eileen's wings,
Many happy returns, Ann!
~Tineke
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (15:56)
#752
Ann!
May all your wishes come true! Happy Birthday, Ann!
~heide
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (16:50)
#753
Happy Birthday Ann!
~amw
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (17:22)
#754
Oh, thankyou all very much indeed, you are all so very ingenious, all I can do is to say
Thankyou very much my friends and fellow droolies fingers crossed.
~mari
Tue, Mar 14, 2000 (17:33)
#755
A very happy birthday to you, Ann! I wish you all good things in the coming year, including more Close Encounters Of The Firth Kind!
~aishling
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (03:39)
#756
Belated happy bithday wishes Ann. Hope it was a good one. Sorry I cant do any of the clever stuff.
~MarkG
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (04:10)
#757
A late Happy Birthday from me also, Ann.
Checked my old programme. It was Michael Strong. Curses!
Guildenstern was just some other schmo
~amw
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (04:39)
#758
Thanks Mari, Aishling & Mark for your birthday wishes, all these lovely wishes have been the icing on the cake to a very nice lazy birthday. Had two lovely phone calls from my two sons and some flowers from my hubby, I am a very lucky lady.
~alyeska
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (05:42)
#759
Happy Birthday Ann
~Allison2
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (07:16)
#760
Happy birthday from me too, Ann. Sorry I cannot do any of that clever stuff!
~Moon
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (08:08)
#761
Ides of March, 2000
Julius Caesar assassinated 2044 ago--still mourning him... Oh well, we shall be stoic. ;-)
~SusanMC
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (09:56)
#762
Happy Birthday, Ann! Hope the sun is shining where you are. Enjoy your special day:-)
~amw
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (10:09)
#763
Thanks very much, Lucie, Allison and Susan, and yes Susan it was a lovely sunny day.
~lafn
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (14:07)
#764
I Love Birthdays...
...has everyone registered with Karen? Or is it Marcia?
Anyway...we need notice, gang...so we can pick out just the right card and
shop
~patas
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (14:07)
#765
(Moon)Ides of March, 2000
Julius Caesar assassinated 2044 ago--still mourning him... Oh well, we shall be stoic. ;-)
Moon! I never thought anyone else was still mourning him but me! And I am not stoic about it ;-)
~Moon
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (15:47)
#766
Gi, watch my winky. We are of one thought here. :-) Viva Cesare!
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (16:23)
#767
Marcia is the official Keeper of the Lists.
~CherylB
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (16:43)
#768
Yesterday, March 15 was not only the anniversary of the death of Gaius Julius Caesar -- but it is also the day when the buzzards return to Hinkley, Ohio.
My apologies to Moon, Gi, and Gaius Julius's ghost for mentioning Caesar and the avian trivia fact in the same sentence.
Gi, you mentioned in one of your posts reading one of Steven Saylor's Gordianus the Finder novels. Love them. I've read them all except "Rubicon", the most recent one. That has nothing to do with Colin Firth's career or Ann's birthday. I'm off-topic and babbling. Enough. Hope you enjoyed the book though.
~Arami
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (17:35)
#769
Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres... I still remember studying Julius Caesar's diaries in my Latin classes.
~CherylB
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (17:39)
#770
"All Gaul is divided into three parts." Arami, you no doubt remember, "I came, I saw, I conquered," as well.
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (18:01)
#771
Veni, Vidi, Velcro
(I came, I saw, I stuck around) ;-)
~CherylB
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (18:32)
#772
Velcro. Those Romans had an advanced culture.
~mari
Wed, Mar 15, 2000 (20:28)
#773
Veni, Vidi, Vito
(Icame, I saw, I moidered da bum;-)
~mari
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (11:26)
#774
Law wings from ``Feathers''
By Claude Brodesser
HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - As the producers of the remake of 1939's ``Four Feathers,'' were scouting locations in Morocco, their star, Jude Law, was winging his way toward other projects.
Feathers flew at Miramax Films, which is financing the project with Paramount, after Law demanded a $4 million payday and significant gross participation, according to people familiar with the talks. Miramax, known for getting white-hot talent at civil servant wages, would not brook such demands.
Law is likely, however, to cut a richer deal elsewhere, given that he's Oscar-nominated -- ironically, for his role in another Paramount/Miramax co-production, ``The Talented Mr. Ripley''
Meanwhile, Paramount and Miramax are understood to have had conversations with Billy Crudup as a possible replacement, according to insiders.
``Feathers'' is a remake of the Zoltan Korda tale that Hossein Amini (``The Wings of the Dove'' and, it might be noted with some interest, ``Jude'') will adapt from the pre-war screenplay. Shekhar Kapur (``Elizabeth,'') will still direct. Stanley and Bob Jaffe are producing.
``Feathers'' centers on a British officer who resigns his post just before battle and is given four white feathers by his friends and fiancee as symbols of what they believe to be his cowardice.
Law's next project is unclear, for while he is still understood to be attached to the MGM pic ``The Good Shepherd,'' directed by Robert De Niro, the picture isn't scheduled to begin shooting until early 2001.
``Shepherd'' follows a career CIA agent who is recruited fresh out of the Ivy League at the agency's inception after WWII, and the toll his work takes on his life and family.
*******
I read today that Jude is in the running for Spielberg's AI--Artificial Intelligence, the film that Stanley Kubrick was to direct.
Mari
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (11:35)
#775
Was thinking, should I start a Jude Law topic? ...although I do know that some might be happy the Four Feathers role is open again and we know Colin will work for a pittance. ;-)
~LauraMM
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (12:38)
#776
I know I shouldn't post this here, but with St. Patrick's Day tomorrow and I AM in Boston;) This was a review in 1995 of Circle of Friends:
Movie Details
This "Circle of Friends" proves irresistible
By Jay Carr
Boston Globe
Published: 03/24/95
Three of its leads are British, one is Scottish, one is American and only one is Irish, but Pat O'Connor's "Circle of Friends" warmly and beautifully continues Ireland's winning streak at the movies. It's filled with honest feeling, atmospheric rightness and a wealth of detailing that make it a sweetly appealing screenful of beguilement on several counts. Let's start with Minnie Driver's enchanting heroine in her sensible clothes, sensible shoes and (most of the time) sensible mindset. "You're easy to talk to," says Chris O'Donnell as the shy, handsome guy she's got her eye on, "very solid, aren't you?"
"Yes, everybody notices," replies Driver's Benny, the most central of three Irish village girls going to college in Dublin. She's described as a big, soft girl, but there's nothing soft about her head, and one of the pleasures of the film is that it isn't afraid to make brains sexy.
Given that the time is 1958 and the story is set in rural Ireland, sexy is something that does not come easily, especially to Benny, who in the movie's most moving scene sits at a dance wilting and finally crying into her decolletage because O'Donnell's Jack doesn't ask her to dance. But then of course in the end, he does. Driver, filled with impulse yet familiar with unfulfillment, is a jewel, the kind you keep hoping the handsome lad played by O'Donnell will have the good sense to notice. Like Maeve Binchy, on whose popular novel the film is based, Benny has plenty of time to notice things, and the thing that makes the film so rich is not that it's filled with quaintness, but rather that it's so overflowing with keenly observed bits of human behavior.
O'Connor colors his actors' discoveries with levity, too, finding gentle fun in Irish sexual repression by sending frissons through a class when an anthropology lecture turns to the sexual life of savages, then cutting to a football game outside. It's part of the measure of the humane warmheartedness of the film that its sexual adventuress never is banished from our sympathies, either. As one of Benny's intimates, Geraldine O'Rawe, the sole Irish cast member, is persuasive on more than linguistic grounds. Playing a convent girl raised by kindly but acute nuns, she brings a keen watchfulness to the role of the girl who is always a guest, never someone who belongs by birth. And Saffron Burrows, as the prettiest of the three, is allowed emotional complexity and understanding.
It's the men who fall short. Not O'Donnell as the doctor's son, uncomfortable at feeling pressured to follow his father's footsteps. He looks natural inside the world of the film, projecting not only his customary boy- next-door appeal, but also an ability to persuade us of Jack's most attractive quality -- his modesty. The fun comes from the slimeball role of an unctuous Uriah Heep-like clerk played by Scottish actor Alan Cumming. We'll be seeing more of him. And Colin Firth gets the job done as the town's weak aristocrat.
But "Circle of Friends," in keeping with its title, goes beyond individual performances to evoke the kind of fragile yet intense community of tentative kids on their way to unknown destinations. O'Connor captures the touching littleness of their world, its rich specificity and the passionate connectedness of the characters to their patch of turf and to each other. It would be too stupidly aggressive to speak of so gentle and endearing a film as a bull's-eye. Let's just say that "Circle of Friends" gets inside Binchy's bustling busybody world and brings it home with the same humor and energy and generosity. It's pretty irresistible.
Movie Type
Drama
Running Time
1 hr. 52 min.
Directed By
Pat O'Connor
Cast
Chris O'Donnell, Minnie Driver, Geraldine O'Rawe, Saffron Burrows, Alan Cumming, Colin Firth
Written By
Andrew Davies (based on the novel by Maeve Binchy)
Year
1995
~patas
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (13:40)
#777
(CherylB)Gi, you mentioned in one of your posts reading one of Steven Saylor's Gordianus the Finder novels. Love them. I've
read them all except "Rubicon", the most recent one. That has nothing to do with Colin Firth's career or Ann's birthday.
I'm off-topic and babbling. Enough. Hope you enjoyed the book though.
Well, this is Odds and Ends, right? Actually, I'm reading another Gordianus novel now (The Venus Throw), and quite enjoying it. Saylor is better at creating atmospheres than at making sense of the story - I think Gordianus solves plots by the grace of Fortune more than by clever reasoning. Oh well.
On the other hand, I'll read "anything" that takes place in Caesar's time. Colleen McCullough's series has me eagerly waiting for the next book :-) One day I'll write one of my own ;-)
Sorry, ladies. I couldn't resist. Maybe I should take Veni, Vidi, Velcro as my motto... Karen, that was brilliant!
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (14:05)
#778
Hey, Laura, no need to apologize about the CoF review. Anywhere is fine for Colin stuff... ;-)
Gi, I can't take credit for the velcro. Saw it somewhere and jotted it down, but don't remember where.
~Arami
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (17:43)
#779
Colin will work for a pittance
Are you saying that Colin is cheap???
~Passionata
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (19:29)
#780
I am all astonishment.
~Arami
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (20:39)
#781
Oh, hi again! Shall we call you Colin or Passionata? ;-) Oh, never mind: why not tell us more about your astonishment?
~Arami
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (20:44)
#782
(In Italian, if you prefer.)
~KJArt
Thu, Mar 16, 2000 (21:59)
#783
(Cheryl) Yesterday, March 15 was not only the anniversary of the death of Gaius Julius Caesar -- but it is also the day when the buzzards return to Hinkley, Ohio.
As a soul born and bred in No. Ohio, I'll have you know that we take umbrage at the continued spread of these vicious rumors -- and I resemble ... oop ... resent the term "buzzard" (which is a kind of European Buteo hawk) ... the returnees are vultures ... turkey vultures. I know because we went to Hinkley one year and saw 'em (big thrill) (eh)(I prefer swallows, thank you).
(Arami) Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres... I still remember studying Julius Caesar's diaries in my Latin classes.
So do I (I think I have one and I wish I could find my of it, but it's packed away in storage among about 2000 of its brethren or so ...), but I seem to remember the whole verb at the end. More like "Omnis Gallia in tres partes divisum est."
I suppose we could blame the discrepency in memory to different translations (or almost 40 years), except that we were all supposedly studying the original. Anybody have it to hand? (It's no Winnie Ille Pu" but waddaya want?) ;-)
~Moon
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (08:13)
#784
KJArt it is most definitely: Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres...
~LauraMM
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (08:36)
#785
Can I recommend a non-Colin Firth movie in honor of St. Pat's Day?
The Commitments. It is brilliant.
Also, Circle of Friends is a good movie to watch today as well!
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (08:47)
#786
Here you go, Laura, hum a little Bee Gees:
~EileenG
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (09:16)
#787
Hey, why is that bottom leprechaun dancing like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever? Is he Tony O'Manero?
HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY, EVERYONE!
From someone who wears her green every day
but is way more Italian than she is Irish :-P
Don't drink too much green beer!
~KJArt
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (13:54)
#788
Thank you, Moon.
HAPPY ST. PATTY'S DAY ALL!
~Moon
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (14:18)
#789
Anytime, KJArt. :-)
LOL, Eileen. The Italia, Ireland connection is also the flag and the I.
To all the Celts out there; A Very HAPPY SAINT PATRICK'S DAY!
~EileenG
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (14:47)
#790
(Karen) hum a little Bee Gees
It would've been nice if I read that *before* I posted...must go clean my lenses!
~CherylB
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (15:49)
#791
(KJart)I resemble...oop...resent the term "buzzard"...the returnees are vultures. Turkey vultures. I no because I went to Hinkley one year and saw 'em (big thrill)(eh)(I prefer swallows, thank you).
Far be it for me to be un-politically correct in regard to turkey vultures. Glad to hear that you don't resemble a buzzard. Although when I wake up in the morning the sight of me could frighten buzzards and vultures alike. Remember it is a far better thing to be called a vision than to be called a sight.
You're right, the vultures returning to Hinkley doesn't have quite the same romance as the swallows returning to San Juan Capistrano. The swallows should be returning on March 19.
Happy St. Patrick's Day to all of you out there celebrating it.
Perhaps the leprechaun is dancing like John Revolting because the road has risen up to meet him, or the barstool has walked out from under him.
There are some Roman Catholic archbishops and bishops in the US who wouldn't give their Irish-American parishioners a dispensation to eat meat on St. Patrick's Day this year, as it falls on Friday during Lent. The tradional meal of corned beef and cabbage is out. Catholics can eat the meat of any cold blooded creature, such as fish or snake. That would be appropriate, eating snake for St. Patrick's Day.
The equinox is on March 20, to those in the northern hemisphere it's the vernal equinox -- so Happy Spring. To the southern hemisphere dwellers it's the atumnal equinox -- which means Happy Fall. If you're a pagan, I think it's a holiday for you -- anyway hope it's a good one.
Have great change of season everyone.
~KJArt
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (16:08)
#792
(Cheryl) ...Remember it is a far better thing to be called a vision than to be called a sight.
**Hee hee!** (Too bad I usually fall into the latter category.)
Anyway, we all get to celebrate no matter our color, creed, or national origin:
, Right?
~CherylB
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (16:19)
#793
That's right, and I hope the barstool doesn't walk out from under me.
~mari
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (17:27)
#794
There's a full-page ad for The Real Thing in the new issue of Entertainment Weekly (week of March 24). Grainy black and white super close-up shot of (I assume) Stephen and Jennifer in a hot lip lock. Right across their upper lips is this quote:
"You'd be mad to miss this modern classic"--London Daily Telegraph
No stars names. Just says Anita Waxman, Elizabeth Williams, Ron Kastner and Miramax Films present The Donmar Warehouse production of Tom Stoppard's The Real Thing. Directed by David Leveaux. Then it says limited Broadway engagement and gives the theater and ticket info and the website.
~Tracy
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (17:31)
#795
I know I'm a bit late as there's ony half an hour left of it but
Happy St.Paddy's Day one and all!
~Arami
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (18:32)
#796
any cold blooded creature, such as fish or snake
I've touched quite a number of fishes (love angling!) and snakes (adore wildlife!) in my life and I can assure anyone who has so far missed this exquisite sensation that snakes are warm. But it may have little to do with the actual term "cold blooded". Any zoologists around here?
~lafn
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (20:51)
#797
...There's a full-page ad for The Real Thing in the new issue of Entertainment Weekly...Stephen and Jennifer in a
hot lip lock. ..
You mean this one:
Today's NY Times has a blurb on it too....and it closes in London tomorrow night.Harvey's hand is prominently in the publicity.
We'll see.....NY critics don't always go hand in hand with London critics...and vice versa...witness "Lion King" major shut-out at the BAFTAs.For that matter TRT didn't do that well either;-)
~lafn
Fri, Mar 17, 2000 (20:54)
#798
...I've touched quite a number of fishes (love angling!) and snakes (adore wildlife!) in my life and I
can assure anyone who has so far missed this exquisite sensation that snakes are warm.
I had an all- snake meal in Hong Kong. It tastes like chicken..except for the scally top.Not bad. Low fat too, they tell me;-)
~amw
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (01:35)
#799
For that matter TRT didn't do that well either - that doesn't sound like you Evelyn, they did very well, they received 4 Olivier Nominations !
~CherylB
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (08:55)
#800
The term cold-blooded is not precisely accurate, what it means, more or less, is that these animals cannot maintain a constant body temperature. Their internal body temperature is influenced by the air temperature. Snakes and lizards become more active the warmer they are. The snakes you've touched Arami might have been warm because they'd been sunning themselves. The snakes I've touched felt cool and dry, and not at all unpleasant.
~Arami
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (09:21)
#801
I had an all- snake meal in Hong Kong. It tastes like chicken..except for the scally top
Presumably you didn't have to eat the scales. I wouldn't mind opening a snake farm, except that they are notoriously difficult to herd...
these animals cannot maintain a constant body temperature
Right! I remember now.
The snakes you've touched Arami might have been warm because they'd been sunning themselves
No, they were kept warm by their keepers! I didn't go touching snakes in the wild... I'm not THAT mad.
;-)
The snakes I've touched felt cool and dry, and not at all unpleasant.
Mine were not too hot, either. It was like touching a muscular human arm. Contrary to many people's belief, snakes are not slimy or wet (except after a swim).
~CherylB
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (09:38)
#802
I never meant to imply that you madly went off to handle wild snakes. I thought perhaps that you knew people who had pet snakes; and that you'd touched them after the snakes had spent some time in front of the windows.
~Arami
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (10:27)
#803
People who keep "pet" snakes are somewhat... hm... curious sort, at least they tend to be in this country (UK). A little like the bikers, you know, long hair, tattoos, leather... I have absolutely no prejuduces, but neither do I keep such company - more through the lack of opportunity than avoidance, really. Anyway, they have occasional get-togethers, fairs, etc., where they display their pets to the public and it's always a must for me! I just have to go and have my customary annual snake cuddle... The huge pythons are superb. I wouldn't call them pets, though.
~Arami
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (10:30)
#804
I have absolutely no prejuduces,
Ooops, two mistakes there. It's prejudices, of course; and can anyone honestly say they have none at all? ;-)
~CherylB
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (10:55)
#805
Perhaps the French. They aren't prejudiced, they hate everyone equally. (I can say that as my great-grandfather was born in France.)
~Arami
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (11:01)
#806
That is a failing indeed. I really cannot laugh at it.
;-)
(But you only have a quarter of a right to say that, don't you think?)
~lafn
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (11:25)
#807
For that matter TRT didn't do that well either - that doesn't sound like you Evelyn, they did very well, they received 4 Olivier Nominations !
I was comparing TRT to "The Lion King" both which are outstanding productions and got major shut-outs at award time.
"sour-grapes-evelyn";-)
~CherylB
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (11:28)
#808
Pretty much. On the upside the French have great art, fine food, great wine, and speak a beautiful language.
~KarenR
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (11:31)
#809
There is a lovely topic already started on snakes for those who'd like to continue this thread: :-)
http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/SpringArk/32/new
~CherylB
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (11:32)
#810
Evelyn, I think you make an interesting point about about theatre awards in New London and New York. I believe "The Wier" won an Olivier Award for Best Play, but it wasn't nominated for a Tony award in that category.
~lafn
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (11:38)
#811
.."The Wier" won an Olivier Award for Best Play, but it wasn't nominated for
a Tony award in that category
Neither did "Amy's View" or "Closer" last year. Which brought on a lot of belly-aching from the British press. Then "Sideman", which did win the Tony for Best Play opened to v. lukewarm reviews in the West End.
Hey...these guys get even...Big Time.
~alyeska
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (14:49)
#812
Perhaps the French. They aren't prejudiced, they hate everyone equally.
LOl Cheryl. That is just what a Frenchwoman who goes to my church said when I asked why the French seem to hate Americans. She laughed and said, "Don't worry about that, the French hate everyone. They even hate each other."
~heide
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (15:04)
#813
(Karen) There is a lovely topic already started on snakes for those who'd like to continue this thread: :-)
Is there a topic in defense of the poor French? ;-)
~Arami
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (16:46)
#814
Karen is trying to get rid of too many odds and ends... ;-)
~KarenR
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (18:13)
#815
From Jeffrey Wells (take it for what it's worth?):
Very Good Groove
Stephen Frears' High Fidelity, a wholly original, deeply quirky romantic comedy, is the fourth entry on my list of truly special films I've seen this year � the other three being Erin Brockovich, Wonder Boys, and U-571. I suppose the possessive shouldn't go entirely to Frears, since star John Cusack has his paw prints all over it also, having co-written and co-produced. All I know is, this is a low-key charmer with its own unique take on life, love, and pop music.
It's a great date movie for discriminating urbanites and just about anyone who takes music seriously. (Who doesn't?) It's even got Bruce Springsteen doing a cameo. I can't wait to get my hands on the soundtrack CD.
Fidelity, which was screened Wednesday night for junket press, is also an absolute blowout for co-star Jack Black, the Tenacious D lead singer who's played off-center supporting roles for years (in The Jackal, Enemy of the State, Cradle Will Rock). He totally steals this movie every second he's on screen, playing a thoroughly obnoxious record store employee whose mania for pop music (and his ability to offend or alienate customers) knows no bounds. Black's performance is going to put him on the map � trust me.
Fidelity is special because it's not just honest, funny, and touching, but musical in the truest sense imaginable.
The three main characters � played by Cusack, Black, and Todd Louiso � are pop music freaks who work at Cusack's downmarket Chicago record store (selling mostly vinyls, naturally). The story's about Cusack's off-and-on relationship with Laura (Danish actress Iben Hjejle, last in Mifune), and how his past affairs weave their way through his brain as he tries to win Laura back after she moves out.
The distinctive, flavorful thing is how Cusack processes everything he does or feels in terms of songs he loves, or lyrics that are especially meaningful to him. (I related to this because I do the same thing with movies. Everything I see or do is processed in terms of scenes or dialogue from my personal pantheon.) The idea is mainly Nick Hornby's, whose 1995 novel the screenplay is based upon. The script is by D.V. DeVincentis, Steve Pink, Scott Rosenberg, and Cusack.
The cast is terrific � Cusack, Black, Lisa Bonet, Joan Cusack, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Tim Robbins, Lili Taylor, Natasha Gregson Wagner, and the always wonderful Louiso. (He played almost the same kind of music-obsessed weirdo in Jerry Maguire. The babysitter?)
I've never been able to get a handle on Frears. He's one of my absolute favorite directors � sometimes. That is, when he's directing cool, low-budget films like The Hit (which Disney's press kit doesn't even mention � shame!), The Snapper, My Beautiful Laundrette, Bloody Kids (also not mentioned by Disney � who wrote this thing?), and Sammy and Rosie Get Laid. But he's not as cool � his personality vanishes � when he's shooting big-studio features like Mary Reilly, Hero, and Dangerous Liaisons.
One of Frears' more recent pics, the lower-budgeted The Hi-Lo Country, I didn't much care for either. But he's back in the groove with Fidelity. It opens March 31. See it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
BTW, you can also listen to all the tracks on the CD at the High Fidelity website.
http://studio.go.com/movies/highfidelity/index.html
~KarenR
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (18:17)
#816
And a little tidbit (also from the former Mr. Gossip) for Mari:
I'm not supposing this is of paramount interest to very many of you, but I'm hearing that Sony Pictures chairman and CEO John Calley will probably be gone six months from now. I'm also hearing that Mel Harris, Sony's co-president and COO, is a prime candidate to replace Calley when the time comes.[...]
Rumors of Calley's demise have been circulating for some time now, but it's heating up again after the failure of the $45 million Garry Shandling comedy What Planet Are You From? and the disappointing earnings ($26 million so far) of the Meg Ryan-Diane Keaton comedy-drama Hanging Up, which cost roughly $45 to $50 million to produce.[...]
Sooner or later you hear the same stories about every studio chief. It's Calley's turn, is all. Do I know for sure what's coming down? No. Calley may hang in there for another year or so, despite the talk. Who knows?
~LauraMM
Sat, Mar 18, 2000 (19:41)
#817
I'm afraid to see High Fidelity:( It's one of my favorite books and I'd hate to see it ruined (or dumbed down). Well I gather my courage, go see it and pray I enjoy it. May even bring the book w/ me so I can say... "Hey, THAT's not what NH meant!" :)
~heide
Sun, Mar 19, 2000 (09:35)
#818
Isn't it about time John Calley retires anyway and starts collecting his Social Security? He's what?...80?
I'm looking forward to High Fidelity, knowing full well the film's rarely as good as the book. So expectations won't be high, despite that glowing review. Hey, John Cusack's in it, it can't be too bad.
~Moon
Sun, Mar 19, 2000 (10:15)
#819
Is Mel Harris Meg Tillys husband?
~mari
Sun, Mar 19, 2000 (10:40)
#820
No Moon, John Calley is Meg's hubby (and Will's stepfather). Karen knows PopPop Calley and I are *like this.* ;-)
He's close to 70, Heide, and I hear he is not in the best of health. I wonder if they'd stay in the L.A. area if he leaves Sony.
I'm looking forward to High Fidelity--I think Cusack will do a good job and it's the same team who wrote the screenplay for Grosse Point Blank.
Evelyn, yes that's the same pic as in EW, only cropped even tighter.
~Moon
Sun, Mar 19, 2000 (15:04)
#821
Mari, you mean to say that Meg is married to a 70 year old man?
I will still see HF (by myself), but I was not happy with the previews.
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 19, 2000 (17:33)
#822
Saw the commercial for HF on TV yesterday. Looks to me like they are playing up the slackers in the record shop angle (as opposed to the crux of the book, i.e., the Rob-Laura relationship). Marketing a totally different movie. :-(
~mari
Sun, Mar 19, 2000 (20:25)
#823
(Moon) you mean to say that Meg is married to a 70 year old man?
Yes indeedy. 30 years her senior.
However, her first husband (father of her two eldest kids) was *only* 20 years older than she.;-)
~KarenR
Sun, Mar 19, 2000 (22:12)
#824
(Moon) you mean to say that Meg is married to a 70 year old man?
Correction: Meg is married to a very rich 70 year old man. ;-)
~Moon
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (07:10)
#825
Correction: Meg is married to a very rich 70 year old man. ;-)
But does she have her own bedroom? ;-) Sounds like a big rebound after Colin.
"Apr�s lui la mort!"
~patas
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (07:54)
#826
And I thought I liked older men!
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (08:51)
#827
So much for a "surprise" cameo role (and he doesn't appear as Marie's musician friend or former boyfriend). From EW:
'High' Concept
Bruce Springsteen cameos in John Cusack's new film. EW tells you how the Boss ended up in "High Fidelity"
by Tom Sinclair
Fans of "High Fidelity," Nick Hornby's best-selling novel about the romantic travails of a music-obsessed record-store owner, may be dismayed to learn that the film version, directed by Stephen Frears and set to open March 31, switches the story's location from London to Chicago. Perhaps to compensate for the shock of Fidelity's being reborn in the USA, everyone's favorite red, white, and blue rock hero, Bruce Springsteen, makes a brief appearance as himself in the flick. The Boss is shown picking some bluesy guitar licks and offering jokey, extemporaneous-sounding advice to the film's lovelorn protagonist Rob Gordon (played by John Cusack).
In the book, Rob wishes that he could handle his feelings about his ex-girlfriends as levelheadedly as the narrator of Springsteen's "Bobby Jean" does. "We just played that idea out a little bit in the script by actually having Springsteen advise [Rob]," says the movie's coscreenwriter and coproducer D.V. DeVincentis. Springsteen declined to comment on his role, but apparently the lure of Hollywood was enough to snare the superstar's cooperation. "John [Cusack] called Bruce, and for some reason he showed up," says DeVincentis. Yeah, yeah -- dude probably got free Springsteen tickets, too.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (09:01)
#828
From The Hollywood Reporter:'Patient' bleeds red ink as audit 'never ends'
In 1997, Saul Zaentz and Anthony Minghella's "The English Patient" swept the Oscars, but three years later, the filmmakers and the cast (who deferred fees to get the picture made) are still waiting for distributor Miramax Films to pay them. "Right after the Academy Awards, Harvey (Weinstein) gave a $5 million advance (to be divvied up amongst everyone), but no one's gotten a nickel since," said one source involved. Zaentz hired a law firm in June in an effort to secure documents from Miramax for an audit. The distributor said that the audit would be completed by the end of summer 1999, but it did not deliver. Asked about the situation at the Oscar nominee luncheon last Monday, Zaentz confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter that everyone is still waiting for the audit to end. Said one source with a direct interest: "There is this ongoing audit that never ends. They are very slow in producing documents. Meanwhile, we keep getting statements from (Miramax) showing us that the movie is in the red. It just do
sn't make any sense." The film has grossed $231.7 worldwide.
~EileenG
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (10:13)
#829
but three years later, the filmmakers and the cast (who deferred fees to get the picture made) are still waiting for distributor Miramax Films to pay them.
Waddaya want, Harv's got a whopping hospital bill to pay (heard a rumor that Miramax has HMO coverage, and you *know* they're not paying for a 5 week stay)...then there's Talk Magazine...
The same TRT ad has been in NYT and the north Jersey papers for weeks. BTW, Evelyn, I'm seeing loads of TV commercials for new B'way shows. One of them features Jesus (of JC Superstar fame, of course) wandering through the streets of Manhattan--was waiting for Jesus to take the #7 train to Shea as a sly retort to John Rocker's comments, but he stays on the streets. Will let you know if there's one for TRT (doubt it, but you never know with Miramax).
I've also seen the High Fidelity commercial. Some movies don't lend themselves to 30-second ads; IMO this is one of them.
~lafn
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (10:19)
#830
you mean to say that Meg is married to a 70 year old man?
Correction: Meg is married to a very rich 70 year old man. ;-)
Key word here: "married";-)
(Michael Douglas is 26 yrs older than Catherine ZJ)
~mari
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (11:22)
#831
Key word here: "married";-)
PFFT! Good one, Evelyn!
~mari
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (11:46)
#832
From the L.A. Times, an Englishman's view of the Oscars:
The English Patience: British Eyes on Oscar
By PETER WHITTLE, Special to The Times
It's been nearly two decades since the British screenwriter Colin Welland screamed "The British are coming!" after having won the Oscar for "Chariots of Fire." That proclamation, made at the Academy Awards ceremony in 1982, was to prove embarrassingly premature in the following years.
But it also went to show how the British, albeit reluctantly, seem to measure much of the success of their own film industry in terms of how well "we" are doing "over there." And nothing denotes success so visibly and tangibly as the Oscars.
There is, however, a markedly schizoid quality about the British response to the Academy Awards, the hoopla surrounding them and indeed Hollywood in general.
Traditionally speaking, the British are reticent about awards; they smack a little too much of achievement and success, still regarded in many ways as something of a sin even in the new, streamlined, classless Britain of Tony Blair. Most of the big awards ceremonies there, such as they are, are performed in an air thick with self-referential irony, and one can't help but sense a residual feeling that this is all, well, too vulgar for words.
But rather like a junkie, the British can't quite help craving what their heads tell them is bad for them. And there remains the sneaking feeling, nurtured from decades of exposure to American films and TV shows, that being big in Britain is not quite enough, that you haven't really made it until you've made it in Hollywood.
So on the one hand there is a kind of superior disdain for the whole circus, and on the other a keenly patriotic desire to see Brits beating Americans at their own game.
Many of us, of course, walk among you already, and have done for years. There are a staggering 400,000 Brits in Southern California. Whether Britain and America are divided, as the saying goes, by a common language, any ex-pat Brit will tell you that, contrary to any illusions we might have had before coming to live here, this cultural chasm that exists between us is certainly big enough to fall into.
Having spent much of last year working on a BBC documentary about the British in Hollywood, I can more than attest to this fact. And in many ways, the Oscars demonstrate it superbly.
The nominations announced Feb. 15 had a very fair sprinkling of British names. Sam Mendes, hitherto a much-praised London theater director, is of course the standout name in the list for his feature film debut with "American Beauty." Along with him there was Samantha Morton (nominated for "Sweet and Lowdown"), Janet McTeer ("Tumbleweeds"), Jude Law ("The Talented Mr. Ripley") and that quintessence of a certain kind of Britishness, Michael Caine ("The Cider House Rules").
The British are becoming more and more used to coverage of all aspects of Hollywood and its personalities--even if, like the French, they hate themselves for it. Back in my hometown of London recently, I had the chance to examine this divided reaction by studying the British media's coverage of the Oscar nominations. It was extensive in both the tabloid and "quality" press. The general thrust was on how Brits had fared. Would we be storming the Shrine Auditorium this year? Was the British contingent a disappointingly small one?
The Times hailed an "outstanding lineup of British talent," which was "on course for Oscar glory." If the favorite, "American Beauty," wins, said the Standard, it would be "a victory shaped and secured in an all-American movie by the British talent of Sam Mendes." Some considered the list a mixed bag for Britain; the Daily Telegraph saw the nominations as "largely a disappointing affair for the big names of British cinema."
But in the main, it was jolly, stirring stuff.
When Brits do anything "abroad," it generally brings back long-lost, subliminal memories of The Empire. That's when the more hackish of our journalists are moved to flights of patriotic fervor. And when there is a big Oscar triumph featuring prominent British talent or themes, as with "The English Patient" or "Shakespeare in Love," the British media can even cheat a little and forget to mention the American money that got them made.
Come the night of the Academy Awards, I will make sure that I find an all-American, no-holds-barred Oscar party to go to. Having grown up intrigued by the glamour of it all, I will be embracing it wholeheartedly. Acceptance speeches in British accents will be nice; I just won't immediately break into a rendition of "God Save the Queen."
* * *
Peter Whittle is a documentary maker and TV broadcaster who has lived in Los Angeles for the past year.
~EileenG
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (12:15)
#833
Here's something else I found interesting--will only post excerpts as the entire article is quite long. It's available on line at
http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/031900oscars.html
From The New York Times, 3/19/00
A Film Surprise This Year Is in the Audience as Well as on the Screen
By RICK LYMAN
HOLLYWOOD, March 18 -- Not so long ago, the way to promote a major mainstream movie was to put up a trailer that in the case of a comedy included all the best jokes and in the case of a drama included almost all the crucial plot points.
Audiences craved the familiar. Knowing pretty much exactly what they were going to get was somehow comforting.
"It was almost like they were being ordered to go see the film," said Brian Grazer, co-founder of Imagine Entertainment. "Knowing what was going to happen somehow made them more likely to go see it."
But as Hollywood prepares for the 72nd annual Academy Awards on March 26 at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles, there is a growing sense among many filmmakers and movie professionals that something exciting and unexpected has happened to American moviemaking over the last half-decade and with increasing force in the last year: a fundamental shift in the taste of the mainstream movie audience.
After two decades of formula comedy, feel-good tales and big budget he-man adventures, the mass audience seems much more willing to embrace movies that astonish them, even in unsettling or downbeat ways, and use fresh storytelling techniques to upend their expectations.
The evidence for this, they say, is not merely in the roster of films vying for Oscars this year but also in the fact that many of the most offbeat and thematically challenging of them were also among the year's biggest box office hits.
"The early 80's was when the quote-unquote high-concept notion infected the studios, and infected is a good word for it," said Terry Press, chief of marketing at DreamWorks. "The idea was that if you can't tell the story in two lines, don't make the movie because audiences won't get it. That has literally taken 20 years to die, but it's finally dead. It's been a long time coming."
Amid the predictable fare in the list of the biggest box office hits of the last year are a significant number of genre-bending movies that seemed to spring from nowhere, packing a surprise punch or a subversive twist, like "The Sixth Sense," "American Beauty," "Three Kings," "The Blair Witch Project" and "The Matrix." Those are movies that could not stand up to that traditional, tell-all kind of promotional campaign and would lose their greatest appeal to audiences in doing so.
"It doesn't have to have a dark edge, but the idea of surprise is the crucial point," said Joe Roth, who left as president of Walt Disney Studios late last year and is now forming his own ministudio. "The audience is way more sophisticated. They see it all. I mean, any medium-market city has something like 100 cable television channels and there's all the video and now DVD and the Internet.
"We're at the point now where if you come at the audience in the traditional way, they're way ahead of you. But if the public hears about something fresh and new, they're onto it immediately." /.../
Skeptics, of course, say it is just wishful thinking to believe that studios are about to abandon old formulas for a riskier, more sophisticated form of storytelling. What is happening now, they argue, may be more of a Prague Spring than an Endless Summer.
"I haven't yet noticed a major difference in the taste of the studios," said Marc Norman, who wrote the Oscar-winning script for "Shakespeare in Love" with Tom Stoppard. "I can remember a brief moment during the making of 'Shakespeare in Love' when one of the marketing guys said if we could make it so the two main characters could go off together at the end it would be worth $10 million at the box office," Mr. Norman said. "I don't know where he got that figure, but he said it with great assurance.
"We really had to fight to beat that back, saying that it would be cheap and against the thrust of the film up to that point," he continued. "But I don't think we've reached the point now where some marketing executive would say, 'Gee, it would be worth $10 million more at the box office if you kill the star.' No, that's hard to imagine."
It is always tricky to generalize about something as amorphous as audience tastes, especially as an emerging trend toward offbeat subjects and storytelling as presented in films like "Sixth Sense" and "American Beauty."
"The problem is that sometimes audiences accept movies like that and sometimes they don't," said Bill Mechanic, chairman of Fox Film Entertainment. He was talking, among other things, about "The Fight Club," a 20th Century Fox film that had a decidedly dark edge and employed fresh storytelling techniques but dropped with a thud at the box office last fall. /.../
Mr. Norman said that movies were in a more adventurous phase at the moment only because the older formulas had gone flat before studios were able to pinpoint the next formula.
"I think we are in a period where there isn't anything in the studios' mind that is as sure-fire and risk free as the Arnold or Sly action movies used to be," Mr. Norman said.
"But it doesn't mean that they're abandoning formulas. It's that the studios are kind of in-between. If we're getting more adventurous movies at the moment it's only because they are looking for the next formula, the next sure thing."
~EileenG
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (12:18)
#834
Sorry, those 'excerpts' turned out to be longer than I expected. Thought you'd all enjoy reading Marc Norman's comments! ;-)
~SusanMC
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (12:45)
#835
In 1997, Saul Zaentz and Anthony Minghella's "The English Patient" swept the Oscars, but three years later, the filmmakers and the cast (who deferred fees to get the picture made) are still waiting for distributor Miramax Films to pay them.
Good grief! Thank Heaven for those P&P2 residuals;-)
you mean to say that Meg is married to a 70 year old man?
Correction: Meg is married to a very rich 70 year old man. ;-)
What's the saying: "Men marry for sex; women marry for security." Not that I'm implying MT's a gold digger, mind you. Besides, if Calley's got a bad heart, he probably didn't marry for sex, either;-)
Interesting articles, Karen, Mari and Eileen -- thanks for sharing.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (13:02)
#836
Thanks, Mari. Loved the article. I think we can safely bet it won't be picked up by any of the newspapers mentioned. ;-)
And Eileen! Whatever has happened to NYT? To have allowed such a boilerplate "think" piece? Gaah! And to have used Brian Grazer and Marc Norman as quotable sources? Hmmm, where did he find Marc Norman? Perhaps writing the sequel to Cutthroad Island? And then Brian Grazer, whose producer credits are filled with such avant garde films as: Bowfinger, EdTV, the Nutty Professor (and the soon-to-be-in-our theaters Nutty Professor II), Psycho remake, Liar Liar, Ransom, Sgt. Bilko, Backdraft, Kindergarten Cop... I could go on. This man lives in the world of "sub-mainstream, idiot movies."
Oh well, the insightfulness of those remarks has inspired me to write my "post-mortem" of the Oscars now. ;-)
~EileenG
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (13:28)
#837
(Karen) This man lives in the world of "sub-mainstream, idiot movies."
Aww, c'mon, he has such lovely hair. He and Opie are attached at the hip, after all. Grazer didn't say he hasn't gotten rich from all those H'wook formula movies he made.
BTW, in hard copy this article appeared in the national section, not arts and leisure :-D
~lafn
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (13:41)
#838
..three years later, the filmmakers and the cast (who deferred fees to get the picture made)are still waiting for distributor
Miramax Films to pay them.
Some of us have wondered if he ever got paid for SLOW....given the tenuous financial circumstances.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (14:24)
#839
(NYT writer) It is always tricky to generalize about something as amorphous as audience tastes, especially as an emerging trend toward offbeat subjects and storytelling as presented in films like "Sixth Sense" and "American Beauty."
About the only thing I agree with.
Bill Mechanic, chairman of Fox Film Entertainment. He was talking, among other things, about "The Fight Club," a 20th Century Fox film that had a
decidedly dark edge and employed fresh storytelling techniques but dropped with a thud at the box office last fall.
Fresh? I dunno 'bout that. It fell flat because it had a crappy "MAINSTREAM" ending. Guess that wasn't worth $10 million at the boxoffice. ;-)
(Eileen) Aww, c'mon, he has such lovely hair.
Yeah, next time we start carping about how can Livia let Colin out of the house dressed the way he is, Mrs. Brian Grazer should share the same blame. Aren't there laws against having hair like that? ;-)
~CherylB
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (15:52)
#840
I liked the Eddie Murphy "Nutty Professor"; it was very good example of its genre. (Please note the spelling of "its" Passionata.) It was a successful mass market mainstream comedy that actually wasn't aimed at 14 year old boys with ADD. I also thought that "Bowfinger" had some clever moments of Hollywood satire.
What's wrong with using Marc Norman as a source? The man is a Hollywood player, and has been one for over 20 years. He was not just a writer of SIL, but one of the film's producers as well.
"American Beauty" certainly is not a significant, genre bending movie. It deals with the cliche themes of rot and ruin in the middle class and mid-life crisis, nor does it do anything to transcend itself from being cliche. I've seen these themes handled much better in other films; the most recent notable example was Ang Lee's elegant and scathing "The Ice Storm". Although it is pedestrian, "American Beauty" is a goood enough movie to win the Oscar, and it probably will. That however, is my opinion, which is in the minority. The film has enough critics' awards to indicate I have the lesser-held viewpoint.
~Moon
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (16:41)
#841
(NYT writer) It is always tricky to generalize about something as amorphous as audience tastes, especially as an emerging trend toward offbeat subjects and storytelling as presented in films like "Sixth Sense" and "American Beauty."
(Karen),About the only thing I agree with.
Sorry but the math does not add up. I always go see the offbeat films and end up sitting in the theatre with 6 other people. Holy Smoke with Kate Winslet and Harvey Keitel, Lovers on the Bridge with Juliette Binoche, The 9th Gate with Johnny Depp, the list goes on and on.
Thanks for the article, Eileen.
~LauraMM
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (17:35)
#842
Hey, got a big laugh at Meg Tilly married to Mel Harris (Mel Harris is Melanie Harris!)
~Moon
Mon, Mar 20, 2000 (20:00)
#843
"Hello Ladies! Do think of me on Oscar night, the offbeat guy." ;-)
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (08:10)
#844
Review of High Fidelity at the AICN site. Didn't even mention Nick Hornby, but loved it nonetheless.
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=5470
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (08:56)
#845
Fabulous review of High Fidelity in Variety, written by someone intimately knowledgeable about the book and the characters:
http://www.variety.com/filmrev/cfropen.asp?recordID=1117778809
~patas
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (09:53)
#846
(Karen) And then Brian Grazer, whose producer credits are filled with such avant garde films as: (...)Ransom(...) I could go on. This man lives in the world of "sub-mainstream, idiot movies."
C'mon, Karen, spare Ransom for me, will you? ;-)
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (09:56)
#847
(Gi) C'mon, Karen, spare Ransom for me, will you? ;-)
Forgive me. This shouldn't be in the "sub" category. ;-)
~lafn
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (09:57)
#848
C'mon, Karen, spare Ransom for me, will you? ;-)
ROTFLOL. This is a hard crowd to please, Gi. Unless it's anything CF does.They beat the British critics any day;-)
~EileenG
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (10:25)
#849
(Gi) C'mon, Karen, spare Ransom for me, will you? ;-)
Hee hee! Wouldn't have anything to do with the handsome, blue-eyed star, would it?
~patas
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (12:34)
#850
(EileenG)Hee hee! Wouldn't have anything to do with the handsome, blue-eyed star, would it?
Can't hide anything from you, can I? ;-)
But I didn't like Conspiracy Theory or Payback...
~mari
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (13:51)
#851
Check out the last paragraph especially.
Oscar Delivers Big Bucks to Flicks
By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Entertainment Writer
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- ''The Cider House Rules'' doubled its money. ''American Beauty'' climbed past $100 million. ''The Sixth Sense'' is creeping toward the all-time top 10.
Just what are the Oscars worth? Tens of millions of dollars at the box office for some top nominees.
Many moviegoers are in their annual Oscar mode, scrambling to see best-picture contenders and other films with big nominations before they watch the Academy Awards this Sunday.
''Mainstream audiences across the country look for reasons to see a movie that maybe they haven't felt compelled to see yet,'' said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Exhibitor Relations Co., which tracks movie admissions.
''Oscar nominations are de facto word of mouth from a source they trust. Rather than a friend saying you've got to go see this movie, it's the Academy saying, 'Go see it.'''
DreamWorks pulled ''American Beauty'' from all but a few theaters the weekend before Oscar nominations came out in mid-February, with plans to re-release it right after. The movie received a leading eight nominations, and is now in its its widest release yet, 1,650 theaters. It has added $28 million to its gross, hitting $103 million last weekend.
''American Beauty'' was a record 20th movie released last year to top $100 million, a figure it probably would not have approached without its best-picture and other nominations.
''I would love to tell you I knew this was going to happen, but when the movie came out, it would have been difficult for me to think it would do more than $35 million to $50 million,'' said Jim Tharp, DreamWorks' head of distribution.
Smaller movies also benefit from the Oscars. With acting nominations for Hilary Swank and Chloe Sevigny, arthouse favorite ''Boys Don't Cry'' has risen from $3.7 million before the nominations to $6.8 million as of last weekend.
With seven nominations, including one for best picture, ''The Cider House Rules'' quickly cashed in. In fairly narrow release, ''Cider House'' had grossed just $22.7 million before the nominations, but distributor Miramax has more than doubled the theater count to 1,738 since then.
Like Miramax' best-picture contenders last year, ''Shakespeare in Love'' and ''Life Is Beautiful,'' the Oscar nominations have helped double the take for ''Cider House'' to $45.8 million.
Last year's surprise blockbuster ''The Sixth Sense'' is on the verge of moving into 10th place all-time at the box office.
Disney quadrupled the ghost story's theater count, to about 800, the weekend before the nominations. Since grabbing six nominations, including best picture, ''The Sixth Sense'' has rung up an additional $6.5 million, for a total of $288.5 million. That is just $1.8 million shy of ''The Empire Strikes Back.''
The best-picture nomination for ''The Green Mile'' has helped the death row saga add $10 million to its gross, pushing it to $134.4 million.
The fifth best-picture hopeful, ''The Insider,'' is the only nominee that failed to capitalize. The movie took in a disappointing $26.7 million before the nominations and has added just $1.6 million since.
Audiences may have viewed the story of real-life tobacco whistle-blower Jeffrey Wigand and his ''60 Minutes'' interview as too cerebral.
''It's an older demographic that watches '60 Minutes,''' Dergarabedian said. ''Those viewers will probably wait for the movie on video.''
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 21, 2000 (14:01)
#852
tick tick tick LOL!
as too cerebral.
puh-leez
~mari
Thu, Mar 23, 2000 (13:27)
#853
Ever wonder what the Oscar presenters get for their trouble?;-)
Stars Treated As Royalty at Oscars
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Complimentary limousines. Free gowns. Jewels on loan. Oscar night for Hollywood royalty is all that and, it turns out, much, much more.
Presenters ripping open the envelope and announcing ''The winner is ...'' at the Academy Awards get a thank-you basket of luxurious goodies from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
And it's not your usual fruit basket.
Among other trinkets, Drew Barrymore, Annette Bening, Jane Fonda, Mel Gibson and others will be taking home a $1,700 TAG Heuer limited-edition 2000 Chronograph Grand Prix USA watch.
There's also an $850 David Yurman Coil Charm Bracelet, a $450 Meisterstuck Solitaire stainless-steel ballpoint pen, a $185 Baccarat crystal heart, $59 Wolford Stay-Hip Sheer Tight bodywear, $38 Wolford cotton knee socks, Godiva chocolates and a bottle of Absolut Mandrin vodka.
About 100 baskets have been assembled as gifts for Oscar presenters, who also include Ashley Judd, Tobey Maguire, Brad Pitt, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mike Myers, Edward Norton and little Haley Joel Osment.
Other items:
-- Alfred Dunhill silver letter opener and cufflinks.
-- Lifetime VIP America Online membership.
-- Bally Havana loafers.
-- Kodak DC215 zoom digital camera.
-- A year's worth of flowers and plants from www.garden.com.
-- eGo portable MP3 player.
-- Joe DiMaggio autographed baseball in display case.
-- Getaway weekend at the Quail Lodge in Carmel.
-- Two-night getaway suite at any Ritz Carlton worldwide.
-- One-year bi-coastal Sports Club/LA health club membership.
~LauraMM
Thu, Mar 23, 2000 (15:08)
#854
Hmmm.. Wonder if I can volunteer next year???
~patas
Thu, Mar 23, 2000 (16:25)
#855
Or I? ;-)
~Moon
Thu, Mar 23, 2000 (17:08)
#856
Lifetime VIP America Online membership.
So AOL has VIP now?
I just have to say...NO COMMENT!
~mari
Thu, Mar 23, 2000 (19:14)
#857
Hey, I'd do it for the DiMaggio baseball alone!
(Moon) So AOL has VIP now?
Yeah, you only get bounced off three times per average session, rather than the usual seven.;-)
And in other Oscar news . . .looks like the Wall Street Journal is going ahead with its plan to publish the results of its Oscar voters poll in tomorrow's edition. Seems like they polled enough people to yield a statistically valid result. What a bunch of killjoy spoilsports! Hasn't the WSJ better things to worry about, like, I don't know, money stuff.;-) ;-)
And yes, of course, I'll read the article.;-)
~fitzwd
Thu, Mar 23, 2000 (19:24)
#858
How to become an Oscar presentor -- get photographed in a Jennifer Lopez dress :-)
I'd volunteer, but I'm allergic to tape.
~lafn
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (08:36)
#859
From today's Baz's column in the DM (thanks to Aishling)
""The Donmar's mesmerising revival of Tom Stoppard's THE REAL THING, starring
JE and SD, starts up next week, to record advance bookings".
~~~~~~~
Alliance Atlantis press release: SUNSHINE opens in UK April 28th.
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (08:38)
#860
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (08:41)
#861
From today's Guardian:
Hornby's unfaithful film wins rave review
They said it was sacrilege and a sell-out to Hollywood. But after enduring a chorus of complaints for allowing the film of his novel High Fidelity to be transplanted to Chicago because it was deemed too British, the writer Nick Hornby can allow himself a wry smile this morning.
For he and the film's British director, Stephen Frears - who has also come in for criticism for not sticking with its north London setting - have a huge hit on their hands.
Variety, the film industry bible, has given their movie, about an obsessive record shop owner who lists his life in top ten moments, the kind of review studios dream of.
"Top five reasons why High Fidelity is some kind of wonderful," it begins. "1) John Cusack's fresh, fearless and ferociously funny lead performance; 2) a trenchantly witty and acutely insightful script; 3) surprising faithfulness to first rate source material; 4) cunningly graceful direction by Stephen Frears, who manoeuvres through mood swings and tempo variegations; and 5) this is the first great date movie of 2000."
The pair, who are preparing for the premiere in Los Angeles next week, are said to be "well chuffed".
Frears' wife, Annie Rothenstein, said the plaudits felt doubly sweet. "There's been all the aggro about setting the film in Chicago, and rubbish about Stephen going to Hollywood and selling out, when all he has ever done is flirt with it. It's a great film - it's very funny, popular stuff, handled in a really intelligent way."
Although Hornby's first book, the semi-autobiographical soccer memoir Fever Pitch, transferred badly to the big screen, he said even if he had gripes with an adaptation he'd keep them to himself. "Goodness no, you can't complain," he said. "It would be like making a leather jacket, selling it and then complaining you don't want a fat person to wear it."
~lafn
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (10:14)
#862
Thanks Karen....the financial n'papers are all glowing about the big hit Disney has on their hands.Lots of trailers on TV.Sneak preview here tonight.The success is probably not due to the change in locale ...it's no doubt a better script and a well known, experienced director.(Didn't he do "Dangerous Liaisons" with JM?)
.... Fever Pitch, transferred badly to the big screen,
IMO due to Hornby's poor script.(Author's don't always make good screenwriters...different skill)
~EileenG
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (11:53)
#863
(Donna DL) get photographed in a Jennifer Lopez dress :-)
I have a bet with my DH that Billy Crystal is going, at some point, to come out in a knock-off of that dress.
~mari
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (13:57)
#864
(Evelyn) "The Donmar's mesmerising revival of Tom Stoppard's THE REAL THING, starring
JE and SD, starts up next week, to record advance bookings".
Great news; glad I bagged my ticket early! See, Evelyn, I told you, nothing to worry about.;-)
**********
(Karen quoting NH) "Goodness no, you can't complain," he said. "It would be like making a leather jacket, selling it and then complaining you don't want a fat person to wear it."
This is a riot; Nick is absolutely right. Glad for everybody involved that this looks like a good one. They changed the commercial in my area, and the new one is much better.
*********
In case anybody hasn't seen the results of the Wall Street Journal's Oscar voters poll--and you want to know--read on:
Film--American Beauty
Director--Sam Mendes, AB
Actor--Denzel Washington, The Hurricane
Actress--Hilary Swank, Boys Don't Cry
Supporting Actor--Michael Caine--The Cider House Rules
Supporting Actress--Angelina Jolie, Girl Interrupted
The Best Actor race is the closest, with Washington slightly ahead of Kevin Spacey.
So glad for Hilary Swank (if this poll is correct). That was an amazingly good performance. She deserves it.
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (14:50)
#865
~EileenG
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (14:50)
#866
(if this poll is correct)
WSJ rep was on ET or AH (can't tell them apart) last night; called the poll "informal" and "not scientific." Does the article include any info about how many members participated?
WSJ's mission was accomplished--grab sensational headlines in manner of tabloid. What's next? "Space Alien Announces IPO?" Aargh!
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (15:05)
#867
(Donna DL) get photographed in a Jennifer Lopez dress :-)
Might I suggest a few strategically placed doilies?
(Eileen) I have a bet with my DH that Billy Crystal is going, at some point, to come out in a knock-off of that dress.
Who says he will? ;-) What would be funnier is if David Duchovny wore it and walked out with him so he could just go right into his Best Picture parody spiel.
Am trying to imagine which scenes he will use. For The Green Mile, definitely when whatshisname "cures" Tom Hanks' urinary tract infection. ;-)
Mari, wonder how many voters took the Academy's advice to lie to the WSJ?
~lafn
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (15:38)
#868
Did WSJ also say what the stars were going to wear?;-)
This year that's all I'm interested in...Remember last year?..We were all wondering of Colin and Livia would attend?And the excitement of SIL winning?...Karen and I were telephoning at midnight!!
~~~~~~~~~
Re: TRT ..(Mari)Great news; glad I bagged my ticket early! See, Evelyn, I told you, nothing to worry about.;-)
Yeah...but the Barrymore has almost 1000 seats to fill nightly...twice on Wed and Sat....at outrageous prices.
Like Gi, I'm superstitious....those Tony blurbs ain't goin up til we're there!!
~CherylB
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (15:53)
#869
(Evelyn)...a well known, experienced director.(Didn't he do "Dangerous Liaisons" with JM?)
Yes. Stephen Freas did direct "Dangerous Liaisons", which Christopher Hampton adapted from his own play based on the Chodoleros de Laclos novel.
~lafn
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (16:01)
#870
From NY TIMES Theatre Section....
Re: The Roundabout Theatre Company
"Design for Living" by No�l Coward is to open next February, with Joe Mantello directing. Mr. Mantello said he can't confirm any casting, but Alan Cumming, Julianne Moore and Rupert Everett have been mentioned. "
Hmmmmmmm...wishful thinking:-)....
~mari
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (17:24)
#871
RE: the WSJ poll. I borrowed the paper from a colleague at work, so I don't have it here, but my recollection was that they contacted about 1400 voting members, and got responses from about 400 of them (the other 1,000 declined to participate). There are about 5,600 voting members altogether; if I recall anything from college Stat class (aside from how to sleep with my eyes open;-) that would seem to be a statistically valid sample numbers wise, but it's probably not absolutely representative of the membership which is why I'd imagine they are fudging and calling it "unscientific."
As I recall, Best Director and both supporting categories were slam dunks; for example Michael Caine had twice as many votes as his nearest competitor (Haley Joel Osment). Cider House was running second to American Beauty, but it wasn't that close. Best Actress--Hilary Swank was fairly far ahead of Bening, but oddly enough most respondents thought Bening would win. Best Actor--Denzel was 7% ahead of Spacey, and they said it was probably too close to call.
Well, they'll have mucho egg on their face if they're wrong, which I sort of hope they are. I like to have a little suspense.;-)
You know CF and Livia were at the Miramax Oscar party last year, right? I'd imagine at the awards show, too, but don't know that for sure.
~Passionata
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (18:11)
#872
Yes, I was at Harvey's party. He asked me to p�t on a skit and I told him "no way"
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (18:11)
#873
ET just said there were 356 responses, which represented 6% of the total (about 5,900) - a number that was not statistically valid.
And they are naming names. Who voted for who. :-(
~mari
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (18:47)
#874
(Karen) ET just said there were 356 responses, which represented 6% of the total (about 5,900) - a number that was not statistically valid. And they are naming names. Who voted for who. :-(
Far be it from me to question the math brain trust at ET.;-) Like I said, I was practicing for Eyes Wide Shut.;-)
The only people I recall as being quoted in the article were Amy Irving, Ernest Borgnine (who I think said something like he voted for Cider House because who wants to watch dysfunctional families and adulterers (alluding to AB), Alan King, and Buddy Hackett (who dissed poor little Haley Joel). Notice they didn't quote anybody who has any power whatsoever in Hollyweird; they're not stupid. But if they were going to name names, they should have at least quoted people who actually appear in movies!:-(
("Colin") Yes, I was at Harvey's party. He asked me to p�t on a skit and I told him "no way"
I don't blame you. I wouldn't put a skirt on for him either.;-)
~lafn
Fri, Mar 24, 2000 (19:43)
#875
(Passionata)Yes, I was at Harvey's party. He asked me to p�t on a skit and I told him "no way"
Correction: "No bloody way."
~CherylB
Sat, Mar 25, 2000 (08:54)
#876
Was the food any good at Harvey's party Colin? Also, why do spell "p�t" with that German mark of punctuation above the letter "u"?
In reaction to the "Wall Street Journal" sampling, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has strongly cautioned its members against speaking to the press in regard to their voting. Perhaps no big Hollywood names responded because they hold liberal political view and do not want to be quoted in that big business rag and Repulican opinion bastion "The Wall Street Journal".
~KarenR
Sat, Mar 25, 2000 (10:12)
#877
Long article about Eric Fellner and Tim Bevan of Working Title in The Telegraph. No mention of Bridget, although:What Bevan and Fellner did brilliantly was use the success of Four Weddings to trade up. All of a sudden the talent agents who really run Hollywood were returning their calls, and the clarity with which Bevan and Fellner perceived that fact and the care they take to schmooze has been vital to their success.
'They're the gatekeepers,' says Bevan. 'We've got Nic Cage in this Corelli movie entirely thanks to our relationship with the agency because, at the end of the day, Captain Corelli's Mandolin - why the fuck would Nic Cage want to read that?'Also says that Fellner pals around with Hugh (golfing). Argh!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000576481449931&rtmo=wQf5fieb&atmo=tttttttd&pg=/et/00/3/25/tlwork25.html
Think I'm going to watch Elizabeth on Showtime this week to check out "Handsome Man" on barge. ;-)
~CherylB
Sat, Mar 25, 2000 (10:17)
#878
Mr. Bevan, such language!
~Moon
Sat, Mar 25, 2000 (11:26)
#879
Was that the F word in our little circle?
AB is said to have her doctor on hand and her suitcase packed tomorrow night, just in case. What a drag not to be able to wear an extravagantly beautiful gown on your Oscar night.
I can not understand why Sean Penn or Jude Law are not really in the running with their outstanding performances. I have seen Kevin S act in the same way too many times, and that goes for Densel W as well. I thought AB did a much better job in What Planet are You From than in AB.
~fitzwd
Sat, Mar 25, 2000 (11:53)
#880
(Moon Dreams) AB is said to have her doctor on hand and her suitcase packed tomorrow night, just in case. What a drag not to be able to wear an extravagantly beautiful gown on your Oscar night.
I heard on the news yesterday that designers were besieging AB offering to make her an outfit. Must be nice to have a designer maternity evening gown :-)
~Arami
Sat, Mar 25, 2000 (13:20)
#881
why do spell "p�t" with that German mark of punctuation above the
letter "u"?
Well spotted, Cheryl. Our Passionate Colin probably uses a German keyboard. She (he?) also uses a German based ISP, the discovery of which upset our regular German poster (currently computerless due to HD failure). Come on, "Colin", be man enough to admit that this round is over. ;-)
~heide
Sun, Mar 26, 2000 (11:15)
#882
Let Renate know we miss her. She need never fear we'd mistake her for our androgynous friend.
~LauraMM
Sun, Mar 26, 2000 (17:38)
#883
Hi, all been a while since I posted. This is a question for Evelyn... Evelyn, I'm going back to NYC for my 32nd bday (can you believe that!?!), I'd like to see the Real Thing if it's open and not sold out. What are the odds? It would be at the beginning of April? (I think April 8-9th), if not, what would you recommend? Any and all help for anyone here would be appreciative. (Um, Art has already said NO MUSICALS:))
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (00:55)
#884
MAKING A CRISIS OUT OF DRAMA: THE BATTLE DYKE MUST FIGHT IN WAR WITH ITV
The Independent (27-Mar-2000)
The director general of the BBC, Greg Dyke, has a battle on his hands of the most dramatic kind if he is to wrestle the public away from ITV in the bitter ratings war.
BBC drama is increasingly perceived as lagging woefully behind ITV and is in need of a huge injection of cash, or new talent, or some other magic ingredient.
Mr Dyke's problem is that matters are getting worse, not better. The corporation's drama department is wincing over the ratings failure of its gothic monstrosity Gormenghast and the mediocre performance of middle-of-the road series such as Sunburn, Harbour Lights and Playing the Field.
It is also being roundly beaten on the sheer amount of drama that it produces. ITV's drama budget is now a whopping pounds 253m, against pounds 152m for BBC 1. The pounds 101m difference, not surprisingly, shows up onscreen. ITV boasts of having a "drama special" about every 10 days - often with big stars such as Robson Green, John Thaw or Ross Kemp. BBC executives are, obviously, envious.
Last week, the controller of BBC 1, Peter Salmon, went so far as to make a public plea for more money for drama, expressing the fear that unless he got extra cash, BBC 1 would start to look like a factual channel.
Mr Dyke is aware that "something must be done". And that something needs to happen sooner rather than later, because of a new development at ITV. A few months ago, the commercial network was delighted when its adaptation of Oliver Twist got bigger audiences than the BBC's period drama Wives and Daughters when the two were scheduled against each other.
ITV executives had taken on the BBC in its core territory - costume drama - and won. That success has given the network an appetite for more.
On Wednesday, ITV bosses will announce a massive new drama portfolio with a number of costume dramas in the line-up. An expensive production of Nicholas Nickleby is, they believe, the jewel in the ITV crown. The programme has been commissioned and is currently being cast.
That will be followed by an adaptation of Thomas Hardy's The Mayor of Casterbridge (a project the BBC, it is said, was also keen on), and three plays by Hollywood's hottest writer - William Shakespeare. New adaptations of Othello, King Lear and Hamlet are on their way.
The man behind the new programmes is ITV's Nick Elliott - who is regarded as the most successful drama commissioner in Britain. Over the past year he has managed to secure a massive 36 per cent increase in the amount that ITV is spending on peaktime drama and, he confirms, he is now investing in a team of ITV "super-actors" to pull in ratings.
David Jason and John Thaw are the team's backbone. They have recently been joined by Ross Kemp, poached from BBC's EastEnders, and Amanda Burton, star of the successful BBC series Silent Witness. Robson Green has also been recruited and Mr Elliott says he will soon sign up one more actress to complete the team.
It is not surprising that the television industry is buzzing with rumours that Mr Dyke would like to poach Mr Elliott. The two men get along well, and have been dining together of late. Mr Elliott and Mr Dyke go back a long way. They are both, like Sir John Birt and the BBC chairman, Sir Christopher Bland, former high-flyers at London Weekend Television - in industry terms, part of the LWT mafia.
The snag is that Mr Elliott is said to be wary of the BBC. He went there a few years ago, persuaded by his friend Sir John. He was immensely successful, presiding over the launch of Ballykissangel, Hetty Wainthrop Investigates and Silent Witness. But he lasted months rather than years. Friends say he did not enjoy the relentless in-house politicking and grinding bureaucracy. Mr Dyke will have his work cut out if he is to persuade Mr Elliott to give the corporation a second chance.
Another element in the equation is Alan Yentob - the BBC's director of television. Under Mr Dyke's new management structure, Mr Yentob is expected to be moved to a more "creative" role. The veteran BBC boss, insiders say, may regard this as a demotion. It might also put him in charge of the drama problem - a position perceived as inconsistent with any idea of Mr Elliott returning to the corporation.
In the meantime, Mr Elliott is busy strengthening the ITV drama armoury further still. He has up his sleeve a television drama called Cor Blimey, which will be based on the love affair of Barbara Windsor and Sid James and feature a cameo appearance by Windsor.
He is also about to reveal a drama, Little Bird, which will star Amanda Burton and be loosely based on last year's news story of a couple who ran away with their foster children to escape social services. Another drama, Fat Friends, will follow the varying fortunes of a bunch of women who belong to the same weight-loss class.
This Easter, ITV is expecting a huge audience for its new adaptation of E Nesbit's The Railway Children, which will include Jenny Agutter as the mother of the girl she played in the original film.
It would be wrong to suggest that the BBC does not have its successes. Holby City is now beating ITV's The Bill in the ratings. Groundbreaking dramas such as last year's Warriors have picked up prestigious awards, while Cops is proving a critical success in the United States. However, there is the matter of the pounds 101m disparity in budgets. It is not an easy sum for Mr Dyke to find - even if he does sack a lot of managers and rationalise the corporation's many duplicate news services.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (00:57)
#885
and now for something completely different.
Oscar attire:
Best Dress (so far): tie. Hilary Swank and Julianne Moore
Worst Dress (and hair): Gwyneth (so much for once having a good sense of style)
~Moon
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (07:27)
#886
My son broke his leg (the tibia in three points), last night at his hockey practice! It ruined my Oscar night. :-(
Cher and Jane Fonda looked ridiculous. Gwynnie has got to get her act together.
Billy Crystal was not v. funny. And the whole show had a corporate feel. Jack and Warren are stsarting to show their age poor guys. James Colbourn (Sp?), who is older looks much better.
Gi, your Mel looked good as did Jude and Brad.
Sam Mendes lives on Primrose Hill as does my good friend, she knows everyone there and vice versa, I will ask her about him. :-)
Am off to the Doctor with my son. I hope to check back later.
~patas
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (07:53)
#887
(Moon)My son broke his leg (the tibia in three points), last night at his hockey practice! It ruined my Oscar night. :-(
Oh Moon, I always say that sports is bad for your health but nobody listens ;-) Seriously, I hope everything goes well with the treatment (is he going to have surgery?) and he gets well soon.
Jack and Warren are stsarting to show their age poor guys.
They are not the only ones... They should choose their plastic surgeons better ;-)
Gi, your Mel looked good as did Jude and Brad.
He did, didn't he? Although I thought I perceived a little bald patch ;-) Could be the gel though.
Sam Mendes lives on Primrose Hill as does my good friend, she knows everyone there and vice versa, I will ask her about him. :-)
I believe he is of Portuguese descent?
The show here was from 2 to 6.30 a.m., I only watched the beginning and the end because Patas is ill and woke me up with his coughing. It's being aired in Digest form today, I'll check the dresses if I get to see it ;-)
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (08:26)
#888
Oh, Moon, how awful about your son. :-( Take care and I hope everything mends quickly. What's he doing playing hockey?
Jude Law also lives in the Primrose Hill area.
Re: Sam Mendes Here's a link to an interview with him from the Telegraph in 1998. I remembered it contained info on his background, Gi.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000576481449931&rtmo=quJRMb99&atmo=tttttttd&pg=/et/98/9/19/btmend19.html
Billy Crystal was not v. funny.
Looked like the place went up for grabs when he made that comment about Judi Dench and her thong. :-)
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (09:03)
#889
...and could there have been two more glum faces than Chloe Sevigny and Russell Crowe? Well, at least he cracked a smile when Billy Crystal said Crowe wanted a cigarette. ;-) (and Chloe's on my ugly attire list)
~amw
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (09:11)
#890
Very sorry to hear about your son's accident Moon, hope it is not too painful and that it won't be too long before he is back on the Hockey field.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (09:20)
#891
Pre-Oscar Parties:
The Hosts: Miramax Films' Harvey and Bob Weinstein.
The Setting: Regent Beverly Wilshire on Saturday night.
The Guests: Kevin Spacey, Gwyneth Paltrow, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Jude Law, Michael Caine, Judi Dench, Meryl Streep, Lasse Hallstrom, Anthony Minghella, John Irving, Tobey Maguire, Uma Thurman, Ethan Hawke, Quentin Tarantino, Delroy Lindo, Heavy D, Paul Rudd, Scott Rosenberg, Rachael Leigh Cook, Sydney Pollack, Wes Craven, Diane Warren, MGM's Chris McGurk, Disney's Michael Eisner, WMA's Jim Wiatt, CAA's Josh Lieberman, ICM's Chris Andrews, Nick Wechsler, Dylan McDermott, Buena Vista's Jere Hausfater, Kyle MacLachlan, Lawrence Bender, Richard Gladstein.
The Buzz: Once partygoers got past about two dozen placard-carrying anti-abortion protesters outside the hotel, they settled into the most entertaining of the pre-Oscar bashes: Miramax's fourth annual Max Awards. The highlight of this year's "talent contest" -- where actors cross-dress and portray comically altered scenes from Miramax films -- was Ben Affleck doing a dead-on impression of Harvey Weinstein as a teacher in "Music of the Heart," or as one player put it: "The Weinstein House Rules." Other readings included Minghella as Maguire and Spacey in a blond wig as Charlize Theron doing the drive-in theater romantic scene from "The Cider House Rules," and Judi Dench as Jude Law and Michael Caine as Matt Damon in "The Talented Mr. Ripley." "Everyone works for Miramax for free ... always," joked Spacey, prompting one attendee to call out: "I hope you're listening Michael Eisner." After a rousing rendition of "Americana, Americana" that had the entire party clapping, the evening ended with a twist on the fa
iliar quotation from "The Cider House Rules": "Good night, you princes of Tribeca, you queens of West Hollywood."
~EileenG
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (09:45)
#892
Sorry to hear about your son's hockey misfortune, Moon. Yeech, wearing a cast in hot weather! I thought Billy was a riot, though. That opening film sequence laid me out ("look out! It's Stephen King!"--he's sooo bad). The bit about what's-her-name having one of the still-missing Oscar statuettes hidden in her hideous green 'cat in the hat' headgear was pretty funny also. IMO Billy's much better than Whoopi.
Thought Cher looked better than in the past; was howling when she fought with the train of her dress. How about Angelina's get up? *cue music* The Addams family started...when Uncle Fester fa--oops, that's not how it's supposed to go! Agree that Gwynnie looked a shadow of her former self (something's not right with her) but she looked alot better last night than she did at the GGs. Could Russell Crowe have looked more bored? Could ABC's pre-Oscar show have been any worse? Tyra Banks was horrendous! Annette looked marvelous--huge, but marvelous. It was nice to hear Sam thank the Donmar.
~EileenG
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (09:50)
#893
(and Chloe's on my ugly attire list)
The dress was OK, the jewelry was a bit much, but her hair, Louisa! She looked as though she slept in those pink foam rollers I used when I was a kid. I hope she didn't pay anyone for that do.
The Buzz
Sounds like it was a riot.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (09:54)
#894
Speaking of pre-game shows, anyone catch the end of E!'s show with Joan and Melissa? It ended a half hour before the Oscar telecast, when ABC picked up with its pregame. Joan was yelling to Melissa to "get off the mic," "they aren't paying us," etc. Then Melissa (clearly embarrassed) was trying to get her mother calmed down. Joan was mad (possibly because only ABC could broadcast from the red carpet area during that timeframe and everyone else had to stop). It was a hideous display. Surprised there isn't anything in the news about it.
~EileenG
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (10:00)
#895
(Karen) anyone catch the end of E!'s show with Joan and Melissa?
Missed it--was watching Baba Wawa's *ho-hum* special. I wish E! was able to continue 'til kickoff, though--I'm no Joan and Missy fan but anything would have been better than ABC's horror show. I was watching E! earlier and there were several occasions in which Joan thought she was off the air when she wasn't.
~lafn
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (11:47)
#896
Laura, yes, you will be able to seats for TRT ...the Barrymore is huge.Has lousy
accustics,though,I saw"Amy'sView"there and could hardly hear f rom the balcony.I hope
they body-mike SD.Get orchestra,now from tele-charge:212-239-6200."Copenhagen"
coming from the West End (now with American cast)got rave reviews in UK
Um, Art has already said NO MUSICALS:))
Good man...(she said as she has tickets for "Aida");-)
~~~~~~~
(Karen)Best Dress (so far): tie. Hilary Swank and Julianne Moore
Think so?? Hilary Swank looked like a Scarlett O'Hara "drag queen" .
something definitely wrong with Gwynnie and Warren Beatty(20 years older than
Annette). The guy was incoherent.Liked Billy Crystal...though cheap shot about Judi Dench. Esp.since she didn't get equal time.
~CherylB
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (13:02)
#897
My favorite Oscar Ceremonies blunder was when Jane Fonda announced that it was her pleasure to prevent, pause, present this award to Andrzej Wajda.
Liked the opening film montage with Billy Crystal, and absolutely loved the production number for "Blame Canada" with Robin Williams.
My choice for best dressed woman was Cate Blanchett, with runner-up honors going to Hilary Swank and Annette Bening. I also thought Nicole Kidman very striking in a couture Dior gown, but that dress isn't for all tastes. The absoulute worst was Cameron Diaz, what was that mess she was wearing? It puts the "U" in ugly. Judi Dench looked very elegant and lovely, a really great dress for an older woman.
The best speech was undoubtably Michael Caine's, wonderfully gracious and generous. The worst speech was that of Kevin Spacey; he came off as a shallow, self-absorbed ass. Boring.
The evenings most pleasant surprise, to me, was "The Red Violin" winning for Best Score. A great score in a great film. "The Red Violin" was one of my picks for number one on my own 1999's Ten Best Film List. It tied at number one with "All About My Mother", which snared Oscar as the Best Foriegn Language film. The other thing I was glad to see was Hilary Swank winning Best Actress. It was good to see the person who actually deserved the Oscar getting it.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (13:59)
#898
(Evelyn) Hilary Swank looked like a Scarlett O'Hara "drag queen"
Huh? I didn't see any tassels or curtain swags. ;-)
(Cheryl) It was good to see the person who actually deserved the Oscar getting it.
I'm sure it was just oversight that you forgot to add "in my opinion." ;-)
My personal fav has been Janet McTeer from day one, but am v. glad she was nominated.
Category Most Deserving Being Dropped: Best Song
Argh! They were all losers IMO, especially when you look back on the good songs that were written for the movies long ago. Loved Dionne doing Alfie and could've sworn that was the same production number for Shaft (mini version though) as was done years ago. Still remember it. ;-)
~CherylB
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (14:23)
#899
Janet McTeer was wonderful and did, in fact, win the Best Actress award from the National Board of Review, a very prestigious award.
~lafn
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (14:29)
#900
...worst speech was that of Kevin Spacey;
But his openner was a hoot.."This is the highlight of my day.." reminiscent of the openning shower scene in American Beauty.
~~~~~~
Everyone seems to like Hilary Swank's dress...hmmmm.
Ya' like those hooped skirt numbers , uh?
Now, Penelope Cruz looked stunning.
~EileenG
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (14:30)
#901
(Cheryl) My choice for best dressed woman was Cate Blanchett
She looked great, didn't she?
The absoulute worst was Cameron Diaz, what was that mess she was wearing?
The frontless thing? It didn't do much for her (but I'm sure the men in the audience were pleased by some revealing side shots during the pre-game show). My 'U for Ugly' (or should that be 'F' for...) award has to go to Tyra Banks' purple Barbie-wouldn't-even-wear-this fluffball thing.
loved the production number for "Blame Canada" with Robin Williams
Agree it was a great way to divert potential controversy (hardly deserving of same, IMO), but the big number? Ugh. It was loads better than last year's tap dancing to the theme from SPR, though.
The best speech was undoubtably Michael Caine's, wonderfully gracious and generous
Absolutely agree. Winners have been recognizing their co-nominees for years but he did it in a way that was fresh and sincere.
(Karen) Category Most Deserving Being Dropped: Best Song
Argh! They were all losers IMO
Yeah, what if 'Blame' had won?
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (14:34)
#902
v. funny play-by-play of the Oscar ceremony at film.com. Running gag about Annette doing all those standing ovations and still not having gone into labor. Comments like:
(although we're still not sure what Peter Coyote, giving his best impersonation of a headwaiter, was doing at that little desk)
Gwyneth Paltrow, with a bad case of bed head
Roberto Benigni runs around the stage for a while and says he'd like to be a dog
Angelina Jolie (Girl, Interrupted), who's wearing some sort of Elvira getup with major hair extensions.
Mike Myers, Heather Graham, and Heather's cleavage present the award for Best Sound
http://www.film.com/reviews/features/awards/99oscars/
~CherylB
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (15:04)
#903
The Independent Spirit Awards, Hollywood's annual celebration of independent and low-budget film, were given out on Saturday, March 25. The awards are voted on by the 9,000 members of the Independent Feature Project. They were handed out on a marquee on Santa Monica Beach in a star-studded ceremony, attended by 1,200 people.
Election won 3 awards, they were for Best Feature, Best Director - Alexander Payne, and Best Screenplay - Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor.
Richard Farnsworth, a 79-year-old former stuntman, won as Best Male Lead for his role in "Straight Story".
"Boys Don't Cry" won the categories, Best Female Lead - Hilary Swank and Best Supporting Female - Chloe Sevigny.
Other winners included "Being John Malkovich" for Best First Screenplay - Charlie Kaufman and Best First Feature(over $500,000). Steve Zahn for Best Supporting Male for his perfomance in "Happy, Texas". Lisa Rinzler for Best Cinematography - "The Three Seasons". Kimberly J. Brown was cited for Best Debut Performance for her work in "Tumbleweeds". Winning for Best First Feature(under $500,000) was "The Blair Witch Project". "Run Lola Run" from Germany was named Best Foreign Film.
~patas
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (15:52)
#904
1. Where have Gwynie's SiL "boobies" disappeared to?
2. Thanks for the link, Karen.
3. A comment I heard on television today: "Seems that the best way for an actress to get an Oscar is to dress as a boy... This year and last year as well... "
~lafn
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (17:13)
#905
loved the production number for "Blame Canada" with Robin Williams
I liked the Gap production number ;-)
No one like Phil Collins singing the song from Tarzan?
~~~
Thanks Karen for the link.
~KarenR
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (17:19)
#906
(Evelyn) I liked the Gap production number ;-)
Gotta agree. They were great. Three dance numbers from West Side Story and even went with Billy Crystal's "Tonight" ;-) Who does their advertising? It's fantastic.
~Moon
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (17:54)
#907
Thank you for all your kinds words. My son has a cast that is set over his knee. Bad multiple fractures and the cast will stay on for 3 months! I am exhausted! My 16th wedding anniversary is on April Fools Day and we were going away but now all has changed. :-(
Back to Oscar... I loved Kate Blanchette's dress! The halter dress was in.
Cameron's dress was Versace. It looked more like something to wear around the house (heehee, I am giving myself away). I do not like Galliano and thought Nicole Kidman's dress was a half thought. I usually like the way she dresses.
I basically agree with the comments on Robin W and Caine and found Benigni very toned down. They must have given him something. ;-) You should see him in Italy!
Tu vuol far l'americano ma sei natto in Italy!
~Arami
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (18:38)
#908
Sorry to hear about your son's misfortune, Moon.
******
Renate says "hallo" to all: she misses you and wants to reassure you that she definitely isn't "that silly little thing" (reference: Heide's comment.)
~alyeska
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (19:29)
#909
Sorry to hear about your son Moon. Three months, it must be a bad one. The hardest thing is to keep them amused especially after about a month.
I was surprised at the resemblence between the young Michael Caine, in Alfie and Jude Law.
~heide
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (20:46)
#910
I swore I wasn't going to check in on this topic but I took some Pepto Bismol and feel better now. ;-)
First, terribly sorry about your son, Moon. Poor baby, poor Mom.
My 16th wedding anniversary is on April Fools Day
And you're still married!? ;-) Sorry, everyone I know who married on April Fools Day have gotten divorced but I think after 16 years you've gotten over the humps.
I'll wait for Joan's Oscar fashion critique next Saturday but my #1 worst was Angelina Jolie. The Addams Family indeed, Eileen. And what kind of kinky thing does she have going on with her brother?
I thought Jane Fonda looked great - so glad she cut her hair but she I guess it's too late for her neck. Ooh, those wrinkles. Yeah, I can only hope I look that good when I'm 60. Agree James Coburn looked better than Jack and Warren. Jack's starting to look more and more like Mr. Whipple of Charmin fame with that little muzzy and...
(Gi) They should choose their plastic surgeons better ;-)
LOL! You might want to give Warren your card.
(Eileen) Could Russell Crowe have looked more bored?
But he sure looks sexy when he's bored. (Well, I thought so!). Where was Jodie Foster?
(Cheryl) The worst speech was that of Kevin Spacey; ... Boring.
I'm afraid I fell asleep before that. Everything was too longgggg.
(Evelyn) But his openner was a hoot..
Sorry I missed it. I got a big hoot too when he presented the (?) award he was supposed to do with Annette and said if she won the Best Actress Oscar, she'd crawl up to the stage on all fours.
(Karen) Loved Dionne doing Alfie and could've sworn that was the same production number for Shaft
Definitely the highlights of that segment for me. Ray Charles was ok but he ruined that beautiful song "All The Way". Finally Dionne came on and showed the others some class.
~sprin5
Mon, Mar 27, 2000 (21:06)
#911
There's a complete rundown of the Oscars in the movie topic 29, including all my goofy opinions and a blow by blow description of the night.
~Moon
Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (07:17)
#912
Thank you, Arami, Lucie and Heide. It will be a long 3 months.
(Heide), My 16th wedding anniversary is on April Fools Day
And you're still married!? ;-)
We play great jokes on each other on that day. ;-)
(Heide), I'll wait for Joan's Oscar fashion critique next Saturday but my #1 worst was Angelina Jolie. The Addams Family indeed, Eileen. And what kind of kinky thing does she have going on with her brother?
Agreed! And did you notice she always leaves after the award? She did that at the GGs too.
~sprin5
Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (08:44)
#913
I'll have to fast forward to Angelina Jolie on my tivo recording to see what you're talking about, moon.
~KarenR
Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (08:48)
#914
From The Times:
Oscar star Mendes puts his 'family' first
He was the toast of Hollywood with five Oscars for his debut film, but Sam Mendes did not forget the London theatre where he made his name.
Shortly after his speech accepting the best film award was broadcast around the world, the young British director made an emotional transatlantic phone call to his colleagues at the Donmar Warehouse. The 24-strong staff, whom Mendes calls his "substitute family", had stayed up until 7am to watch their artistic director conquer Hollywood with American Beauty.
Mendes, 34, assured them that success had not shaken his commitment to return to the 250-seat theatre to direct a play this summer. He will announce his next season within the next ten days, and plans to direct one of four plays, although he had not decided which when he left for Los Angeles.
None of the Donmar staff, who gathered round a large screen in a London hotel to watch the ceremony, had ever thought he would abandon them, however lucrative the Hollywood offers. Even while shooting the film, he had been in daily contact with them. "He was there with all the stars in LA, but what he most wanted to know was what the atmosphere was like at our party in London," one insider said after yesterday's call.
Caro Newling, executive producer of the Donmar, spoke of the disparity between "watching him at the 'shrine' receiving his award" and the comments he made while editing the film. "He said that 'if all went well, it could be a critical success, but not broad popular success'. Cut to nine months later and there he is with a top-selling movie around the world, collecting an Oscar."
~SusanMC
Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (12:23)
#915
Mendes, 34, assured them that success had not shaken his commitment to return to the 250-seat theatre to direct a play this summer.
Great, Sam -- and get Colin to star in it to, wouldja? (After BJD wraps, that is.)
Re: Jane Fonda -- seems painfully unfair that Jack and Warren can flit around squiring babes and spawning rug rats in their 60's while poor Jane has to contend with the likes of Ted Turner. It's a man's world:-(
Sorry about your son's accident, Moon. Hope you don't have a lot of stairs in your house;-)
~patas
Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (12:25)
#916
(Moon)My son has a cast that is set over his knee. Bad multiple fractures and the cast will stay on for 3 months!
(Heide)Poor baby, poor Mom.
Ditto :-(
(Moon)I basically agree with the comments on Robin W and Caine and found Benigni very toned down. They must have given him something. ;-)
Is he always like this? Or is it just the "crazy italian" image put on for the American cousins' benefit?
~EileenG
Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (14:05)
#917
(Gi) Where have Gwynie's SiL "boobies" disappeared to?
She looks anorexic to me--skin and bones. Much thinner than last year. Something's up with her.
(Gi) Or is it just the "crazy italian" image put on for the American cousins' benefit?
I saw or heard Judi Dench being interviewed recently. She was speaking about her Oscar experience last year. Judi referred to Benigni as "a lunatic" who was "jumping around" (not her exact words); after the ceremony she found out that he speaks "perfect English."
(Heide) And what kind of kinky thing does she [Angelina Jolie] have going on with her brother?
Ewwww, wasn't that creepy? She's OTT.
(Moon) Agreed! And did you notice she always leaves after the award? She did that at the GGs too.
Maybe her brother just wants to keep her out of the pool ;-P
Jack's starting to look more and more like Mr. Whipple of Charmin fame
LOL!
(Susan) Re: Jane Fonda -- seems painfully unfair that Jack and Warren can flit around squiring babes and spawning rug rats in their 60's while poor Jane has to contend with the likes of Ted Turner. It's a man's world:-(
That's why she's chucking the rat bas***d. She looked great--too bad she fluffed her presentation.
(Moon) My 16th wedding anniversary is on April Fools Day
(Heide) And you're still married!?
Moon hinted at the secret to her marital success a few posts before yours, Heide:
Cameron's dress was Versace. It looked more like something to wear around the house (heehee, I am giving myself away).
Aha! :-D
~Moon
Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (15:10)
#918
Moon hinted at the secret to her marital success a few posts before yours, Heide:
Cameron's dress was Versace. It looked more like something to wear around the house (heehee, I am giving myself away).
Aha! :-D
OK, I'm blushing.
(Gi) Where have Gwynie's SiL "boobies" disappeared to?
She looks anorexic to me--skin and bones. Much thinner than last year. Something's up with her.
It must be boyfriend problems. She has not looked well lately. Or maybe she's bummed out about not getting Bridget. ;-)
Gi, Benigni is really very hyper. Impossible actually. And he does get on a lot of people's nerves in Italy. He does not speak perfect English. What was Judi thinking? Or maybe she had too many drinks and imagined him speaking perfect English. ;-)
Karen, it's nice to see Mendes so attached to his friends. Although by now I am sure he has made plenty of them in LA.
Thanks, Gi and Susan for your well wishes.
~EileenG
Tue, Mar 28, 2000 (15:32)
#919
(Moon) He does not speak perfect English. What was Judi thinking?
Let me clarify. Her context was Benigni speaks better English than he would have American audiences believe. In other words, it's an act. Which doesn't surprise me!
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 29, 2000 (08:21)
#920
Frears rates high marks for 'High-Fidelity' cast (March 29)
By Martin A. Grove (THR)
Frears' "Fidelity:" Hollywood's most interesting filmmakers can be the least predictable in terms of the projects they choose to make.
A case in point is Stephen Frears, whose "High Fidelity" opens Friday via Buena Vista/Touchstone in about 1,200 theaters. The wonderfully biting romantic comedy is not only a departure from Frears' such earlier serious dramas as "The Grifters'" and "Dangerous Liaisons," but the British director shot it in Chicago although it's based on a book set in London.
"Fidelity's'" screenplay by D.V. DeVincentis & Steve Pink & John Cusack and Scott Rosenberg is adapted from the novel by Nick Hornby. A Working Title Films production, it was produced by Tim Bevan and Rudd Simons and executive produced by Mike Newell, Alan Greenspan and Liza Chasin. Starring are John Cusack, Jack Black, Lisa Bonet, Joelle Carter, Joan Cusack, Sara Gilbert, Iben Hjejle, Todd Louiso, Lili Taylor and Natasha Gregson Wagner.
"I was asked by John Cusack if I would do it," Frears told me. "I think highly of him and really wanted to work with him again (after 'The Grifters'). I thought, 'That's a really good idea.' It's a book I like very much. So it all made sense."
Frears had read Hornby's novel when it was first published in the United Kingdom in 1995 but hadn't thought about it then as something to turn into a movie. "I don't read books like that. I read books to enjoy them. I'm not looking for whether they make good films or not," he explained.
In "Fidelity," Cusack's character Rob analyzes the reasons his romantic relationships have failed during the years. Much of the story revolves around his record store, Championship Vinyl, which sells old-fashioned vinyl LPs rather than CDs. Rob's two store assistants (Black and Louiso) boast an encyclopedic knowledge of pop music that rivals Rob's own.
It wasn't long after he received the screenplay from Cusack that Frears decided to sign on: "I just said, 'This is great. Let's do it.' We had to wait while I finished the film I was making, which was 'The Hi-Lo Country,' and then we did it. It was all quite straightforward. We went to work on the script. In fact, the script changed a lot from the one I'd originally read."
The most striking change, he said, was turning what had been voice-over narration into dialogue to be delivered straight into the camera -- and, therefore, directly to the audience -- by Cusack. "That was a tremendous breakthrough," he said. "That's the really good stuff in the book, you see -- his thoughts. That was the sort of breakthrough invention that got us to where we could get at the good material. So I found that very liberating."
When I observed that "Fidelity" is somewhat different material from what he has previously done, Frears replied diplomatically, "If you say so. I don't sort of think like that. But I'm sure you're right. I just do what I'm asked to do -- if I love it."
With the book having been set in London, I told him, one would have expected him to have wanted to film it there in his own backyard rather than shoot in Chicago. "When I was told about (doing it in Chicago), I was surprised," he noted. "Then when I started to read it, I forgot about it. When I then thought about it, I actually thought, 'This is very, very liberating.' I'm not supposed to say things like that (being a British filmmaker). I will be taken to the Tower (of London) and beheaded for that. But, actually, I found it tremendously liberating. I found that very, very fresh and lively (to be working in Chicago)."
After starting to work on the film, he said, "I discovered that, in fact, this is a sort of home movie these guys have written. It was really about them growing up in Chicago -- John and his two friends, D.V. and Steve. They all grew up together. So then you discover, 'Oh, I see. I've actually got to learn about these people's lives to understand it.' So I started doing that and then I realized their sort of take on life was already, as it were, like Nick Hornby's."
Black and Louiso deliver stand-out supporting performances as Cusack's assistants. Black's character Barry, in particular, is a manic guy who dominates every scene he's in. Although it looks like it must have been impossibly tough to cast the role, Frears said that wasn't the case: "I said to them (Cusack and his writing partners), 'Who should play Barry?' and they said, 'Jack Black,' just like that. I met Jack and about two minutes after talking to him I said, 'Yeah, well, you're fine.' " Among Black's credits are roles in 'Dead Man Walking,' 'Enemy of the State' and 'Mars Attacks.'
Then they said, 'Well, maybe he could play the other one (Barry's quieter colleague Dick, played by Louiso).' Then they started hedging their bets. But I always knew that their first response was, 'Oh, Jack Black.' When they started to undermine themselves, I always knew that they'd said Jack. Then it was quite a complicated process getting him because he's a tricky fellow (to nail down). And then he gave this astonishing performance. When he started to act, my mouth fell open. I didn't realize he was going to be that brilliant, but it was a treat."
Another casting challenge was Laura, whose breakup with Cusack's character Rob gets the film's story under way. The role went to Iben Hjejle, a native of Copenhagen seen last in "Mifune." "I couldn't find what I was looking for in either America or England," Frears said. "Then I met her at the Berlin (International) Film Festival (where 'Mifune' opened to critical acclaim) and discovered that she spoke American."
In casting, he explained, "What you're really trying to do is find out what you're looking for and being prepared to admit you don't know what you're looking for. Eventually, something happens and you just (say), 'Oh, I see. It's that.' It takes as long as it takes, really. There's no short cuts. And I'm surrounded by good people and good casting directors. I talk to everybody and pick people's brains the whole time. That's all it really is is being willing to listen."
As for production, he said, "You just sort of do it, don't you? You deal with each problem as it comes up. It's always like that. Every time I have to learn something. And since I find learning interesting -- I enjoy learning things -- it's just being willing to understand things you don't know and to accept that you don't know things.''
Chicago wasn't really new to Frears. "I'd shot a bit of 'Hero' in Chicago," he pointed out. "Many times I was actually thinking, 'I'm now doing what I remember thinking I'd liked to have done when I went to Chicago to do 'Hero.' It was with a big star (Dustin Hoffman), so I come straight to him (in shooting). But I remember thinking, 'Oh, that's a rather good little bit and then not knowing how to bring it into the environs of the film. On this, I was able to do that. There were a hell of lot of things I noticed when I first went to Chicago. It's a wonderful city."
Did anything come to mind in terms of particular problems while shooting? "No," Frears told me. "There are always problems in how to bring the thing to life. And what's interesting is solving those problems. You never quite know what they're going to be. There were always rather human problems because it wasn't like saying, 'Look, in this shot we've got to get to the moon or something like that if you have a very complicated technical problem. It's just a human thing of being able to be funny and touching at the same time. The films are only about people, so it sort of depends on your knowledge of human nature."
Although weather can pose big problems in Chicago, Frears was on top of that: "I'd learned when I'd been to Chicago before. I'd always been to Chicago in the sunshine and when I went there to shoot, it just clouded over. The light was just horrible -- flat ghastly light. This time, I said I'll make this film between the cold and the heat. So I positioned myself for the good weather and the weather was fine. When does it stop getting cold? April. You'll notice that we shot between April and June. When does it get hot? July. We did it between the cold and the heat."
As for Frears' approach to directing, he confided, "I make it up as I go along. You get nice people and you create conditions in which they can feel comfortable and competent and, as it were, make fools of themselves or show off their feelings. You give the actors as much room (as possible). The actors are splendid people."
~SusanMC
Wed, Mar 29, 2000 (11:46)
#921
There's also an article about John Cusack/Hi Fi in today's Boston Herald:
http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/movies/cusa03292000.htm
~KarenR
Wed, Mar 29, 2000 (14:48)
#922
Here's a little HF info from a British movie website:As for Hornby, he isn't bothered about accusations that he sold out to Hollywood. The author tells us that he thinks this version works, explaining, "It's about a guy in a record shop with a lot of ex-girlfriends. They do have that here."
'High Fidelity' opens in the UK on July 21.
~CherylB
Wed, Mar 29, 2000 (17:42)
#923
Moon, sorry to read about your son. Three months in a cast, poor boy. That's rough. I hope his spirits are holding up.
You're wedding anniversary is April 1st. Did you and your husband plan it that way? If so, you two have great senses of humor.
My parents got married on a Friday the 13th. No, they weren't Satanists. Most of my relatives are Catholics in one of the following categories: practising, cafeteria, lapsed, or collapsed. There are a few agnostics and, I think, one Buddhist. Then there were some of my French cousins who were practising Catholics and card carrying communists. Being contradictory is something of a family trait.
Heide, did the Pepto work? No gastric rumblings, I hope. I agree with you that Russell Crowe does look sexy when he's bored. A friend of mine describes him as being "a very handsome man in a really intense way". I read somewhere that Crowe is part Maori, but I'm not certain on that point. He was born in New Zealand, though. Caught an interview with him before the Oscars. He said that Jody Foster wouldn't be going to the ceremony. She told him that she was going to watch from home, half-dressed, sitting on her bed, eating.
~heide
Wed, Mar 29, 2000 (17:56)
#924
He said that Jody Foster wouldn't be going to the ceremony. She told him
that she was going to watch from home, half-dressed, sitting on her bed,
eating.
LOL! How many other mothers of toddlers would love to have the luxury, not to mention the time to do that.
~Moon
Wed, Mar 29, 2000 (18:40)
#925
You're wedding anniversary is April 1st. Did you and your husband plan it that way? If so, you two have great senses of humor.
We did it for the fun and in 1984 in honour of Orwell's novel.
Thanks for caring, Cheryl. My son's spirits are starting to pick up.
I would like to invite everyone for margaritas and stone crabs on April Fools Day. :-D
~patas
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (02:51)
#926
(Moon)I would like to invite everyone for margaritas and stone crabs on April Fools Day. :-D
Sounds like a party to me ;-)
Yeah, I sound like I'm turning into a blonde party girl, but I'll have you know it's only virtual
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (08:44)
#927
LONDON � Odeon Cinemas, the U.K.�s largest theater chain, is joining forces with the British Film Institute in a pioneering initiative to bring arthouse pics to a wider audience.
Odeon has agreed to set aside one screen in eight theaters around the country for the BFI to program with alternative fare.
Films in the initial run, which starts April 28, will include Fox�s �Boys Don�t Cry,� FilmFour�s �Holy Smoke� and Buena Vista�s �Mansfield Park,� as well as the BFI�s own reissue of the British classic �A Matter of Life and Death.�
The BFI already programs its own regional arthouse theaters, but this is the first time the org has pushed its way into the mainstream. Now it is negotiating similar deals with other leading exhibitors. Sources at Warner Village, for example, say it is likely to hand over three screens at its new Birmingham 30-plex for the BFI to program.
Director Terry Gilliam, who sits on the BFI board, is one of the most enthusiastic supporters of the new initiative, which will be marketed under the banner �BFI at the Odeon.� �This will encourage adventurous people to be adventurous about the films they see,� he told Daily Variety. �At the moment the choice of films in England, and even in London, is the worst in the world.�
�We thought the multiplexes were going to give us greater choice, but we just got �Titanic� on every screen. But now at last there are so many screens out there that exhibitors are realizing they might as well be bold and put something interesting in.�
Paul Brett, the BFI�s head of cinema services, said, �The U.K. urgently needs more screens for specialized films. This initiative is just the beginning of a resurgence in arthouse cinema � movies for grownups.�
The eight Odeons already committed to the scheme are in Birmingham, Liverpool, Ipswich, Maidstone, Bournmouth, Cheltenham, Guilford and Epsom.
As well as new releases, the BFI will program �festivals� at these cinemas, showcasing either films from a single country or the work of one filmmaker or actor.
Ross James, marketing director of Odeon, said: �We�re fanatical about film, and determined to give our customers more choice. This initiative is all about offering people the chance to experiment a little.�
Odeon has done extensive research to prove that the demand is there, and the programming in each town will be tailored closely to the local audience.
The cinema managers will be heavily involved with the BFI�s choices, and are already seizing the opportunity for creative local marketing.
~Moon
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (09:19)
#928
I applaud! Now if they would only do the same here.
Caught the last 5 minutes last night on E of the celebrity profile on Jennifer Tilly. She a celebrity?! Meg was interviewed and I was surprised at how old she looks. Her face is round and she looks v. different. Not aging well. (Or is that what happens when your husband is 70 and CF leaves you. ;-)
~lafn
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (09:29)
#929
This initiative is just the beginning of a resurgence in arthouse cinema � movies for grownups.�
I too applaud their efforts.Now let's see how many grown-ups go;-)
Here they're mostly "renters".
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (09:30)
#930
Rats! I missed that. Maybe it will be repeated. ;-)
~Arami
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (16:38)
#931
(Cheryl) Catholics in one of the following categories: practising, cafeteria, lapsed, or collapsed.
LOL! What's cafeteria Catholics?
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (17:06)
#932
Cafeteria means "pick and choose what you like." Term is also used for employee benefit programs.
~mari
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (17:22)
#933
Catching up with you all after several days away . . .
John Cusack will be on David Letterman's show tonight, undoubtedly talking High Fidelity.
And now this cafeteria Catholic is off to attend a Seder supper . . .:-)
~CherylB
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (18:46)
#934
(Arami)LOL! What's cafeteria Catholics?
(Karen)Cafeteria means "pick and choose what you like."
You've met my relatives, Karen? Probably not, but that does sound like some of them. That's a pretty concise definition, they are people who cut and paste official church positions. Picking what they like as it were, Arami.
Okay, I think this is the list where someone asked who does the Gap's television advertising. The tv commercials are done in-house, which is to say they don't employ an outside advertising agency. They have an advertising department that does them. I thought the Gap did their own advertising, but I wanted to check.
~mari
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (20:34)
#935
Ahhh, don't be too hard on the relatives, Cheryl. Most Catholics I know don't agree with the Church's position on everything, and the "one from column A and one from column B" approach saves them from having to toss out the entire menu.;-)
~KarenR
Thu, Mar 30, 2000 (22:47)
#936
My, oh my, from The Guardian (3/31) - a Bridget comment at v. end too.
A national sense of superiority
On patronising the Yanks
Shane Watson
When Sam Mendes collected his Oscar for American Beauty last Sunday in Los Angeles there wasn't a dry eye back home in his flat in Primrose Hill where, so he informed us, his friends were gathered toasting his health. We weren't given precise details of the occasion (guests: Jack and Jill from the NFT, Marion from the local theatre workshop; drink: some kegs of Old Peculier) but the message couldn't have been clearer. Mendes - in between being hugged and squeezed by Kevin Spacey and hugged by Steven Spielberg - was just letting everyone know that he comes from a very different place to the artificial world inhabited by most members of the audience. He stood before them, in their crystal-encrusted Jimmy Choo shoes, and their $400 hairdos, and quietly reminded us that, while it was great to be clutching the Oscar for Best Director and seeing his film take the awards for Best Actor, Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay, he was not one of them.
Our boy from the Donmar Warehouse made his detour to Tinseltown, beat the Yanks at their own game hands down, first time around, and made no bones about the fact that he was on the next plane home to the country that understands quality, that is daring and innovative, that makes art in the finest tradition, without pandering to the lowest common denominator.
We all know the story about The Madness of King George, which couldn't be called Madness of George III for fear that the Okies in Fenokie would think it was a sequel - duuur. We all know the reputation of British audiences: so critical, so intelligent, so ready to be challenged, whereas the Americans have to have every little thing spelt out. Subtitles for Trainspotting! They have no idea!
And frankly we haven't had such a good crack at reminding them since, well, Shakespeare in Love.
This sport of attempting to patronise the Americans has been going on for as long as they've been letting us get away with it. On the one hand, there's us in the educated, sophisticated, liberal and (very important this one) ironic camp. On the other, there's the poor old Hicksville Americans who cry at airports because they can't work out which country they're in, who think things built in 1899 are incredibly old (tsk) and are pathetically preoccupied with their family genealogies (dur) while thinking we all live in smog-laden Upstairs Downstairs style in Georgian crescents. The last phase of the special relationship, circa 1970 to Margaret Thatcher, say, hinged on an image of us all speaking like Terry-Thomas, having brains like Bamber Gascoigne and the standards of the characters in Brief Encounter. More recently this rose-tinted view of our twinkling isle has been rumbled and America has looked to us more as an edgy, somewhat aggressive, comfort- and hygiene-challenged place where everyone is rude and c
nical and which is disseminating dodgy nannies faster than BSE. But still we've managed to hang onto this aura of intellectual superiority and
liberalism coupled with an old-fashioned sense of fair play - of what really counts. It doesn't really matter whether they buy it any more, because we do and we've got no one else to patronise.
They couldn't handle our Sensation exhibition in New York! Ha! (The fact that nor could we at the outset has been conveniently forgotten.) They couldn't get enough of our Princess Diana! (The fact that we found her a little too much has since been glossed over.) We have such a unique sense of humour, and we all know what happened when they tried to copy Men Behaving Badly (snort) and now they want to make their version of The Royle Family!
Let's hear it for the Brit stiff upper lip. Let's hear it for the way we show our emotions (Michael Caine, Phil Collins), but not too much like ghastly American Gwynnie Paltrow.
It takes an Oscar ceremony to bring out our natural sense of superiority, to polish up our sense of ourselves as the plucky little heroes holding out for standards in the face of insurmountable vulgarisation and rot. But it's never far from the surface. As I recall, the last really good cause for a bit of a What Have the Americans Done for Us (other than ruin our culture with their mocha-choca latte outlets) was the news that American actress Renee Zellwegger had been chosen to play our Bridget Jones! In our Notting Hill! With
our Hugh Grant! Don't you just love being so much better than everyone else?
~mari
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (07:00)
#937
I have an extra ticket available for THE REAL THING, next Saturday, April 8, 2:00 p.m. matinee, in NYC. Great seat, 6th row. E-mail me privately if you're interested. Thanks.
~Moon
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (07:52)
#938
Thanks, Karen! Poor Shane. Sounds like she has a tremendous complex of inferiority and could nit wait to bash Americans.
~heide
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (08:05)
#939
Took the day off from work today - not to see High Fidelity but I'm going to anyway. What should I look for, Karen? Love the Hard Day's Night=style ad.
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (08:27)
#940
Was wondering what you were doing here at this time of the day. ;-)
Last night, I've never seen Letterman so effusive in his praise of High Fidelity!! Before Cusack even came out, he was going on and on about how he's had to talk (not the word he used) about movies that were utter crap. Said this was the best movie he's seen in 5 years. Said he read the book years ago and loved it and was so relieved they hadn't ruined it.
I'm going to see HF today too. New state-of-the-art arthouse theater near me opening today with HF (only mainstream movie) playing on two screens (Onegin's there too).
Finally, read where they did the record store filming. No wonder I only saw the production once. Cusack called it Wicker Park, but most people would refer to it as Bucktown. (Laura, that's where I picked you up from the L.)
~lafn
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (08:54)
#941
(Moon)Thanks, Karen! Poor Shane. Sounds like she has a tremendous complex of inferiority and could nit wait to bash Americans.
Weellll. American -bashing seems to be the current sport...but I don't think it was so prevalent in England. Wish I could find a comparable article for Brit-bashing in the US in our media...but the fact is we love the British ...take them as they are...Why can't they take us as we are...
...George III for fear that the Okies in Fenokie would think
it was a sequel
I'm an Okie and I take offense to this....not all rural folks are ignorant...
C'mon...give us a break...
~LauraMM
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (09:28)
#942
(Evelyn)I'm an Okie and I take offense to this....not all rural folks are ignorant...
However, you're and adopted Okie and originally for culturally respected NY;)
Mari, figures you'd have a ticket that day, when I was supposed to go, but looks like we're going the week after:(
~LauraMM
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (09:28)
#943
i forgot;
~EileenG
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (09:33)
#944
Re: that article--*gag me* (and I mean that with every rude and cynical bone in my italian-irish-scottish-american body). Wait--what country am I in? Waahh! I want to go back to Hicksville!
Missed Letterman last night, but heard a Cusack interview on a NY radio show yesterday a.m. He's very well spoken. Said HF was based on "an extremely funny, best selling novel" (did not mention NH's name), as well as all the other now-familiar sound bites. HF is getting consistently terrific buzz.
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (09:49)
#945
Cusack did mention Hornby by name on Letterman. What I don't get is so much praise being given to "Cusack & chums" for writing and then all the mentions in reviews that "so much was lifted directly from the novel." Excuse me?
BTW, the article must be taken as ironic, at least that was my conclusion when I got to the final lines.
BTW2, isn't it Okie from Muskogie (sp?) ;-)
~EileenG
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (10:11)
#946
(Karen) BTW, the article must be taken as ironic
I know. Didn't you get my irony? ;-P
What I don't get is so much praise being given to "Cusack & chums" for writing and then all the mentions in reviews that "so much was lifted directly from the novel." Excuse me?
There is alot of hype for "the team that brought you Grosse Pointe Blank." At least John's trying to give proper credit to Nick. Said even though they changed the setting from London to Chicago, they left the heart of the book, 'how men really think', intact.
~mari
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (10:33)
#947
Yes, I wouldn't be too quick to don the red-white-and-blue hairshirts; the article was definitely written tongue-in-cheek, though it's not particularly well-done satire (sniff!;-) so I can well understand the misunderstanding;-) Unfortunately, it's not unusual to read articles like this in the British press that *aren't* meant to be ironic:-(
(Evelyn)Wish I could find a comparable article for Brit-bashing in the US in our media...
Will never happen. Jeez, even Saddam Hussein gets a fair shake in our press. We like everybody (ok, mostly everybody;-) because we *are* everybody. Just ask my lovely fellow mutt from NJ, Eileen.;-)
(Karen) Last night, I've never seen Letterman so effusive in his praise of High Fidelity!!
I've never seen Dave enthusiastic, period.;-) Cusack got Nick Hornby's name in there twice last night, and has been very forthcoming about crediting Nick in most interviews I've read. How often do you hear an actor credit the poor schmuck screenwriters, let alone the author of the book upon which the screenplay was based? Rarely. JC is a classy guy.
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (11:24)
#948
...a little contradictory info though. In print, he has said he had never read High Fidelity before Disney gave it to him, although he had read other things by Nick (like what? Fever Pitch?) Last night, he said he had read it before. Minor quibble.
~lafn
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (16:00)
#949
I don't see anything ironic about "Okie from Fenokie"...maybe I'm missing something.(I also don't see anything ironic about Polish or any jokes about
minorities.)Period.End of topic.
~CherylB
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (16:05)
#950
As a satirist Shane Watson is nowhere near Jonathan Swift in ability. As satire, the Shane Watson piece was nowhere. (That's just my opinion.)
Now on the point of "Shakespeare in Love". Sorry Shane, you got it wrong. SiL is an American film; since it was produced by Miramax, an American company.
Shane, you and SOME of your fellow Brits have got to get over your feelings of inferiority. There's no excuse for it. So the French think you have an apalling lack of style and that the term English culture is an oxymoron, get over it. Yes, the Germans think you're lazy and lacking in self-discipline, get over that as well. As for the Italians, they may well pretty much think everybody else wants to be Italian.
Lastly Shane, you must remember that nobody can touch the Americans when it comes to arrogance and cultural imperialism. We know that we are what everyone else wants to be. Everybody wants to be American.
Well, probably not, most people are happy to be who and what they are. And no, most Americans don't really think that way. I was only joking, after all. Apologies to the French, Germans, Italians, and to the English as well.
Oh Shane, I do know who George III was. He was on the throne of Great Britain when the 13 American Colonies were lost to the rebel side in what was called the American Revolution in my history classes. But it was also during his reign that the British gained unquestioned dominance in regard to other European nations over India.
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (22:49)
#951
Hopefully, less controversial??? From Saturday's Times:
Spielberg backs film company at Donmar
By Dalya Alberge
SAM MENDES, the Oscar-winning director, has turned down a multimillion-pound offer from Steven Spielberg's Dreamworks and negotiated a �700,000 investment in the 250-seat London theatre that he calls his substitute family.
Dreamworks' extraordinary two-year commitment, with even more money in the pipeline for a third year, will provide �200,000 for the Donmar Warehouse and �500,000 for the establishment of the Donmar Films company. Mendes is the artistic director at the theatre, and the deal gives Dreamworks a first look at any project he suggests, leaving him free to work for other studios or theatres on both sides of the Atlantic.
Mendes has also received offers from two other studios, he revealed yesterday. "I was not interested in tying myself down to one studio." He said that he was "very conscious to allow myself freedom". He was also nervous of being pressured into doing a movie just because millions of pounds had been paid for it.
Speaking at the Donmar, he said that his next production would be Shakespeare's Twelth Night at the Covent Garden theatre in September. Casting has not yet begun, but is likely to be filled by "the home team" of British actors.
Mendes, 34, can name his price. He is the toast of Hollywood after being showered with five Oscars for American Beauty. "Now's the time to make the crusaders' epic that costs $120 million," he said. He received the minimum fee set by the Directors' Guild of America for American Beauty.
Such is the interest in America that he has also secured �350,000 for the Donmar over the next three years from the leading Broadway producer, Anita Waxman. Harvey Weinstein and Sydney Pollack are among leading producers who have bought tickets to the Donmar's fundraising gala in New York: dinner and Sir Tom Stoppard's The Real Thing.
Mendes has devoted himself to the Donmar as artistic director since 1992. Even while shooting American Beauty, his debut as a film-maker, he was in daily contact from America. His repertoire extends to classical and contemporary plays and his stagings have been hailed as masterful. He attracted Spielberg's attention with his musical Oliver! and later with The Blue Room.
The new film company, which will initially involve a staff of two reading scripts, will share the same aesthetic as the Donmar theatre but will not have a relationship with it. Mendes said plays that worked on stage rarely transferred well to the screen. The film company's funds will allow Mendes, for example, to buy an option on a novel that he likes, and to hire a writer.
~~~~~~~
Winter, get over there with your resume!! ;-)
~KarenR
Fri, Mar 31, 2000 (22:59)
#952
The Guardian/Observer had much the same re: Mendes and this additional info:
He said Hollywood stars were queuing up "all the time" to work at the Donmar. "They see us as a way of increasingly their artistic validity, which is great. But that is not quite how we work. I'm nervous of star vehicles. As I think Philip Larkin said, the sun destroys the interest of what is going on in the shade. Often there is someone better for a role who is English or a theatre actor."
Mendes denied rumours that he was close to persuading Tom Cruise to tread the London boards soon. "I wish," he said. "It's far more likely that I will be working again with Nicole [Kidman]."
He did, however, concede that he was yearning to tempt Annette Bening, the star of American Beauty, across the Atlantic after she has her baby. "I don't know, it may take 10 years - she has four kids you know - but I would really love to bring her here."
He said he "hasn't a clue" what his next film will be, although it was a "safe bet" it would be one developed by Donmar Films, which he said he wanted to keep "small and light on its feet, a bit like this theatre".
He has has spent six months working on Lookout, written by Scott Frank, who adapted Elmore Leonard's Get Shorty and wrote the thriller Out of Sight, but he doubted that it would get off the ground for some time.
The DreamWorks money would be added to the �350,000 a year that the New York producer Anita Waxman is pumping into the Donmar so that she can bring their new productions to Broadway.
Mendes said it would allow them to be more adventurous and to get more people into the theatre with "lower seat prices and pay-as-you-wish nights. We are doing one next month for the Passion Play. You pay whatever you can afford, be that 10p or whatever."
He said he had enjoyed Los Angeles but wanted to work in England if possible. "Hollywood gets a bad rap here, but I enjoyed very much working with the people I met there.
"Obviously the Oscars was an entirely different experience. You are on a train and it's travelling at 120mph and you can't get off. Like every director, I'm a control freak. But all you can do is just sit there and grit your teeth. Some of the time it's exhilarating, sometimes it's not.
"I was doing publicity for the film for what seemed like a decade. Did I enjoy the Oscars? Well, it's the single most nerve-wracking experience ever.
"It is away out there on its own."
~patas
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (04:43)
#953
(Evelyn)I don't see anything ironic about "Okie from Fenokie"...maybe I'm missing something.
(CherylB) As a satirist Shane Watson is nowhere near Jonathan Swift in ability. As satire, the Shane Watson piece was nowhere. (That's just my opinion.)
Oh dear... As I read it, Shane was trying to say that the British should beware of feeling superior to Americans, as they tend to do when "one" of them gets a prize among "a number" of Americans. Was "not" being superior.
It is a feeling very popular in small countries that used to be great at one time. America's time will come to, never fear ;-)
Karen, loved the articles on Sam Mendes. Seems quite a nice and sensible guy.
~heide
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (08:36)
#954
Yes, nice to see Sam's head hasn't been turned. And that he recognizes talent no matter from which part of the world it comes. Can only hope Colin is part of the "home team". Would so love to see him at the Donmar in something new.
(Mari) Cusack got Nick Hornby's name in there twice last night, and has been
very forthcoming about crediting Nick in most interviews I've read.
As he should considering whole sections of dialogue were lifted from the book. ;-) I don't know if I've ever seen a film so faithful to the book though perhaps Rob is more sympathetic in the film but then played by cutie John Cusack, how could he not be. As a film standing alone, I think some people are going to be scratching their heads in the beginning wondering what is this film about? But once it picked up steam, it sailed beautifully through to the end. I'm confused by who the target audience is meant to be. The trailers shown before the film in the theatre I went to were definitely aimed at teenagers but I have serious doubts High Fidelity is going to appeal to someone who never owned a record album. ;-)
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (09:03)
#955
(Heide) but I have serious doubts High Fidelity is going to appeal to someone who never owned a record album. ;-)
What have we here? A geeky music snob? ;-) From the beginning, I had that reaction - that they were trying to sell it as some weirdo guys in a record store in order to appeal to the young teenage male audience. But I think that audience is going to have an impossible time relating to a Thirtysomething guy reflecting on his life and his relationships. 15-year olds haven't had those relationships. They can only fantasize about baked goods in anticipation.
Funny thing is that The Hollywood Reporter used the term "mature audience" when describing High Fidelity.
(Heide) don't know if I've ever seen a film so faithful to the book though perhaps Rob is more sympathetic in the film but then played by cutie John Cusack, how could he not be.
I'm disappointed they didn't show his presex fears with Marie. Remember the funny bits about his head getting caught in the sweater or the underwear/no underwear thing? Maybe they thought we wouldn't believe John Cusack lacking confidence.
Oh well, I enjoyed it.
~Moon
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (10:42)
#956
(Karen), What have we here? A geeky music snob? ;-)
Hey wait, that's me! My record collection is larger than what Cusack had in his apt. and then there are the CDs. :-)
The reason I enjoyed the novel was partly because NH has very good taste in music and mentioned bands that I love that nobody has heard of.
I too found the movie close to the book. Karen it does rain an awful lot in Chicago. ;-)
Coconut Grove, last night. I talked my DH into taking me to see it. Five minutes into the film and he's off to watch something else in the theatre. Comes back later just before the dinner party at Charlie's and his comment was: I would have preferred to have seen more of Charlie's life. She is definitely the more interesting character. And then he agreed on Charlie's assesment of Rob's life. Ouch!
Thank you Karen for posting such an interesting article on Sam. It does give one ideas. ;-)
~lafn
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (11:27)
#957
..Steven Spielberg's Dreamworks and negotiated a �700,000 investment in the 250-seat London theatre that he calls his substitute family.
Rachel Weinstein (American Development Officer) and her staff must be dancing in the aisles over this.All are expected to attend TRT Gala on Wednesday night.
Re: Sam Mendes...Big names Bring Big Bucks.And one film did it.
Thank you AB.Thank you Steven Speilberg.
~mari
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (13:35)
#958
Good interview with Nick Hornby from Salon. I'll post in parts. Here's Part 1 of 3.
About a writer
Nick Hornby talks about soccer, writing and a highly faithful adaptation of "High Fidelity."
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By Steffan Chirazi
March 31, 2000
"I have read books written by people who obviously love football, but that's a different thing entirely; and I have read books written, for want of a better word, about hooligans, but 95 percent of the millions who watch games every year have never hit anyone in their lives. So this is for the rest of us, and for anyone who has wondered what it might be like to be this way ..."
-- Introduction to "Fever Pitch" by Nick Hornby
It was with some expectation that I headed out of Arsenal tube station and toward an Italian restaurant on Northolme Road last fall to meet Nick Hornby. I'd been a fan since his first book, "Fever Pitch," a loving account of the way his home team, Arsenal FC, had been symbolically linked to every significant event in his life, was published in 1992.
"Fever Pitch" spoke to all British men obsessed with football (soccer in America), but for me there had been a special twist: I support the team Tottenham Hotspur. Located barely two miles from each other, Tottenham and Arsenal have been fierce rivals for more than 100 years.
Hornby's second book, "High Fidelity," explored the weird adolescent hangover that seems to strike men in their 30s. It was a sweet and moody meditation on lost loves, fluctuating friendships and a passion for music. By the time "About a Boy" (a novel about fatherhood, responsibility and the struggle to grow up) came out in 1998, it seemed to me that Hornby had produced one novel for each of the most important areas of my life: football, fatherhood and music.
"Some of the players come in here to eat," said Hornby shortly after we arrived. "Ars�ne Wenger [Arsenal's coach and manager] comes in here after every home game ... It's quite sweet really, because he always gets a round of applause."
Reading Hornby for six years had me feeling like we were old mates, which probably explains why it took me all of a capresi salad and some fusilli with pesto to remember I should probably stop arguing the merits of Tottenham Hotspur's David Ginola over Arsenal's Dennis Bergkamp and record something.
Considering that, at the time we met, Hornby was working on a new novel, selling the screen rights to "About a Boy" to Robert De Niro's Tribeca Productions and previewing "High Fidelity," then still in post-production, it was extremely gracious of him to agree to meet me. And considering that not four days earlier Tottenham had beaten Arsenal 2-1 in a typically raucous North London match, he was surprisingly friendly.
Is it easy watching your work reinterpreted on the screen?
There's two answers to that. One, once you take the money then that's that. It's like selling a coat. You can't then say, "I don't want that fat bloke wearing my coat because he doesn't look good in it." You'd just think, Well you sold it, you burke, you took the money. I got paid really well for it and I wanted the money and fine, I don't think I should whinge. The other thing is that I think the books are so unfilmic in a certain way that the only people who want to make films of them do so because they love them, and not because they've seen this "thing" they can pull out of it. I mean what's the big idea of "High Fidelity" where you'd take something and throw the rest away? You'd be left with nothing, a story where a bloke splits up from his girlfriend? Couldn't you have thought of that yourself?
Weren't some basic elements of the book changed in the film, though?
Actually the film of "High Fidelity" is incredibly faithful to the book despite the fact it's been reset in Chicago. John Cusack's in it, he's Rob, and it doesn't make an awful lot of difference to anything. The only thing that's changed is the music.
I would've thought that was integral to the story.
Yeah, except again I take it as part of the personal connection with it. The guys who are doing it see it as a story about themselves, therefore they've transposed their music into it and I appreciate the spirit of that. I think the only thing that's holding it up right now is they're arguing with each other about the soundtrack. Part of their thing with the whole project was getting their favorite obscure bands into the soundtrack, which seems in keeping with the spirit of it all anyway.
Were you able to remain involved in the project?
They've been incredibly solicitous all the way through. I've been invited to see a couple of cuts, I'm going to see another one tomorrow and they've tried to keep me as involved as I want to be. But, frankly, I quite enjoy the distance. I also think with those things you're either completely in or completely out, and if you're in that takes up a lot of time and I want to do other stuff. It's been directed by Stephen Frears, who's English anyway, so there's an English sensibility looking after it.
Next page | I only read American novels and watch American television.
~mari
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (13:38)
#959
Part 2 of 3, Hornby interview
Are you still interested in writing screenplays after "Fever Pitch?"
Actually, the three of us who made "Fever Pitch" -- writer, director and producer -- got a development deal with Miramax, and this will be the first film to come out of that. It's about an American band in the U.K. where the lead singer walks out halfway through and ends up in a small seaside town. The other one is a sort of gimmicky romantic comedy. I always liked those films like "Big" and "Groundhog Day" and I wanted to try one myself. At the moment I'm developing that with John Madden, who directed "Shakespeare in Love," but he's got loads of things on the go. I don't know if he'd end up directing it, but he's helping me with the script every couple of months.
Does writing a screenplay feel like taking a break from your real job?
Sort of. I really enjoyed doing "Fever Pitch" and I really enjoyed working with people. It occurred to me that I'm really too sociable to want to sit on my own in a room for two years, which is what you do when you write a book. I've got a couple of things on the go right now. Original screenplays. "High Fidelity" and "About a Boy" are both going to be films -- well you know "High Fidelity" is coming out soon -- I didn't do the screenplay for that. So the last year has been spent doing drafts of two different screenplays which are very different from each other.
You created some dead-on depictions of London males, especially with "High Fidelity." Do you find people saying that to you when you're doing readings in America?
No, not really. Englishness doesn't really seem to come into it. "High Fidelity," for example, works for any Western country because there are guys everywhere who are obsessed with popular music. In Scandinavia the books have done well, Italy the same, Germany very well and Spain not at all. I wonder if there's something about Catholic countries where a lot of people still live with their mums and stuff and I'm not sure if they get it; the endless chopping and changing of relationships, the agonizing over what you're doing with your life. I think paradoxically they've worked so well here because we are more American in that way and we do agonize that much more over life. Also, all my input is American. I only read American novels, I only watch American television.
What American writers do you admire?
My inspiration was Anne Tyler. I'm very different from her, but I think she's fantastic. It's that simplicity, where there seems to be bottomless intelligence and yet they don't exclude. I think for me, what's wrong with more or less all English fiction, to be clever means to be erudite and to express your vocabulary and it alienates more or less everybody. They have tiny book sales and there's this little literary circle in Britain which is basically for themselves and doesn't impinge upon the outside world at all. What the fuck's that? The good American writers don't exclude in that way.
Who else do you read?
There's a short story writer called Lorrie Moore who I think is great, Tobias Wolff ... "This Boy's Life" was a big book for me before I wrote "Fever Pitch." Part of it also comes from teaching. You're looking around for stuff to give to kids that takes them places, is intelligent and that they can also comprehend. That's why in English schools even today people read Hemingway and Steinbeck all the time, "Of Mice and Men," Salinger's "The Catcher in the Rye." You don't feel you're being patronized by the vocabulary of the characters because the ideas and relationships behind it are extremely complex, yet the language itself is simple, so any kid can grasp what's going on in those books.
Are you happy with the way your books have been received?
None of the books have had really bad reviews, but I think I'm still viewed by the "establishment" with some suspicion.
Why's that?
Well, none of the books have been up for a literary prize. I don't feel chippy about it at all, but looking at it dispassionately I think that "High Fidelity" and "About a Boy" were better books than some which ended up on short lists.
Why do you think that is?
I think we have a problem with jokes in literature. If you have jokes, it's not literature. How many funny books have won the Booker Prize? I can't remember how this came up, but I think it was the year "High Fidelity" came out and one of the judges was asked why "High Fidelity" and a couple of other books weren't on the list, and she said, "I think people are confusing the best book with the best read." I appreciate you can have a difference but I'll tell you, you can't have a good book that isn't a good read. If it's not a good read, it's a bad book.
Do you think fiction should be without geography?
Oh no, I think fiction should certainly have a set geography. I think something's gone wrong somewhere if a book works for every single audience everywhere in the world. I don't think I'm writing about Britain, but a very precise class of people who could exist in four or five European countries. They're metropolitan books, they're written about places where there are lots of record shops, where there are lots of people who don't know what to do with their lives and people who drift from relationship to relationship.
Next page | I wish I lived in a penthouse with my CDs in perfect order!
~mari
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (13:41)
#960
Part 3 of 3, Hornby interview
Have you ever been interested in relocating to the U.S. for a couple of years somewhere down the line to write a book?
There's a part of me that feels it's sort of cheating. The sort of book where you go and research something and then regurgitate it onto the page doesn't seem like proper writing to me. I'd be wondering what had come from me if I took myself somewhere and said, "Right, I'm going to live in Memphis, look at Memphis and write about Memphis people." There's people who have been living in Memphis for the past 50 years and they're not going to be interested in what I think of Memphis having lived there for three months. In terms of urban environments, let's say I went to San Francisco. I'd end up writing the same sort of book except the places would be different. Names of streets would be different and so on.
In "About a Boy" you explored a "typical male" reaction to children and the concept of fatherhood. Yet you seem very comfortable with your own role as a father.
Anyone who has a kid, at some point in every day, for one minute, says, "Fucking hell! I wish I lived in this penthouse with my CDs in perfect order and no one to piss around with my Bang & Olufson!" And writing a book is taking that flash of fantasy and expanding on it. In the course of a day you have a million contradictory thoughts. You look at a woman and think, For this second I do not want to be married. All that stuff happens all the time and can take you anywhere, and all that stuff is certainly true about being a parent.
Has fatherhood influenced your writing?
My experience with Danny is so different that I don't think that has properly influenced my writing yet. [Danny is autistic.]
Does writing force you to analyze yourself as a person?
Well with the type of books that they are, contemporary, I think it's very hard to write about things like drugs or hooligans without finding a bit of yourself in there.
Is writing books therapeutic for you?
Well, I have therapy as well, so [laughs] ... I had therapy a couple of years before I wrote "Fever Pitch," and it was the first time I'd ever talked about football in a way other than it being football. I used to go on Mondays, and every Monday I'd sit down and be asked, "How was your weekend?" And I'd reply, "Oh it was crap, 'cause we lost 2-1." It was just a crap joke because I didn't know what else to say. After about a year she [the therapist] said, "Why do you always do that, the joke about the weekend?" And she just started asking me about it. It had never occurred to me that there was any sort of meaning connected at all. And I was amazed at the time scale of when she pointed out I was getting interested in football relative to my parents getting divorced and things like that. So I don't think the book was therapy but is was certainly a product of it.
Your first book dealt with very personal subjects.
When I saw ["Fever Pitch"] in print for the first time I thought, God, I've exposed myself here! You look at it and think, Why did I want to go and write all this stuff about me? It struck me as a very peculiar thing to have done.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
With the restaurant all but empty, save for a handsome chap and two rather stunning women at the table behind us, it was time for Hornby to go home and continue working on his fourth book. The working title: "How to Be Good."
"It's at an early stage and it's narrated by a woman," Hornby said quickly before thanking me for lunch and striding purposefully out of the restaurant.
But then I saw him stop, turn abruptly and head speedily back inside, head down. He looked a bit stern and it was actually a little worrying. He came right up to me, stopped and looked up from under his eyebrows before gesturing over his shoulder at the occupied table.
"Giles Grimandi," he whispered, having recognized the Arsenal defender moments earlier. He winked and quickly strode back out.
Even Nick Hornby couldn't have written a better ending.
salon.com | March 31, 2000
~heide
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (14:13)
#961
Nice article, Mari. Now where do you find a single guy who thinks like Nick and looks like..oh you know who. (Though I like the way that other guy thinks too.)
Happy Anniversary Moon!
(Moon) I would have preferred to have seen more of Charlie's life. She is
definitely the more interesting character.
Hmmm... so your DH and Charlie would have hit it off, eh? You reminded me though that even though Rob's Top Five Breakups are mentioned at the beginnign of the film, he didn't try to find #3, Jackie Allen. Or did he and I missed it?
~amw
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (15:38)
#962
~amw
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (15:52)
#963
what happened, the bit in brackets shouldn't have been in red!!
~Renata
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (16:03)
#964
Hello, all! I just drop in briefly to say I'm still offline, more or less, software is still playing mad, don't know when/if I can log in again.
Arami, Kirsten, Karen, did you get my mail, if so: please don't use the new email address yet. Whenever I use that ISP the trouble seems to start all over again. Twinwave costs more than twice as much as my new ISP, but is at least reliable....
Karen, I have disconnected chat, and will remove it after this if the line holds.
~amw
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (16:38)
#965
,,
~lafn
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (16:42)
#966
Good to hear from you Renate...Hurry back to Spring, we miss you;-(
I have disconnected chat....
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you....
~Renata
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (16:50)
#967
Hello, all! I just drop in briefly to say I'm still offline, more or less, software is still playing mad, don't know when/if I can log in again.
Arami, Kirsten, Karen, did you get my mail, if so: please don't use the new email address yet. Whenever I use that ISP the trouble seems to start all over again. Twinwave costs more than twice as much as my new ISP, but is at least reliable....
Karen, I have disconnected chat, and will remove it after this if the line holds.
~Renata
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (16:53)
#968
Ooops! That good old Netscape bug still works, I must be at home ;-))
I don't know if/when I can change the chat link on cf.com, nothing works, grrrrr.
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (17:06)
#969
Yes, Renate, I received your email and have replied to ALL your addresses. ;-) I just got a failure notice for your new address.
Thanks, Mari, for the article on Nick. v. interesting. I can't believe that he is still going forward with a book written from a woman's perspective. As that has always been the weakest part of his previous books, maybe he wants to prove something. How many times have we argued that the Paul-Sarah relationship was unbelievable and now a few critics are commenting on the Rob-Laura thing (i.e., not understanding what on earth she saw in him and why she'd take him back), but they are blaming the filmmakers when they should be laying that on Nick's shoulders. ;-)
Here's the url for the Salon article and there is a review of HF too there.
http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2000/03/31/hornby/index.html
And lastly,
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY MOON!
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (17:09)
#970
...and about that rain, per a Frears interview, they filmed in April-June. April showers bring May flowers, etc. ;-)
~amw
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (17:41)
#971
~alyeska
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (18:30)
#972
Happy Anniversary Moon.
~LauraMM
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (18:54)
#973
Love the red, NOT!!!
Haven't seen HIFI yet;( Will see it with date in about two weeks. However, Boston reviewers LOVE Cusack, but not the Dane? Hmmmm... Said she was better in Mifune.
~lafn
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (19:36)
#974
How many times have we argued that the
Paul-Sarah relationship was unbelievable and now a few critics are commenting on the Rob-Laura thing (i.e., not understanding what on earth she saw in him and why she'd take him back), but they are blaming the filmmakers when they should be laying that on Nick's shoulders. ;-)
Ahaa...when I said that you all almost drummed me out of here;-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Happy Anniversary , Moon...wish we were there with the Margaritas and stone crabs...yum.
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 1, 2000 (22:43)
#975
(Evelyn) Ahaa...when I said that you all almost drummed me out of here;-)
Ahaa yourself! Didn't say I subscribed to it though. Maybe Nick has spent a lot more time studying women these days and less watching Arsenal or playing his music, i.e., grown up a bit and moved on with his life.
BTW I've always known why Sarah couldn't stay away from Paul.
~amw
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (13:18)
#976
~amw
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (13:19)
#977
~amw
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (13:19)
#978
~amw
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (13:23)
#979
~amw
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (13:27)
#980
~amw
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (13:31)
#981
~amw
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (13:36)
#982
sorry about wasting space, have been trying to delete red lettering, can you delete all the above Karen, thanks.
~Moon
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (14:12)
#983
Thank You all very much! Here is a rose for every single one of you. Had a lovely time, beautiful gifts and I discovered my new drink: the Cosmopolitan!
Having a hard time adjusting to the time change today. ;-)
~lafn
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (14:33)
#984
Lots of reviews, interviews in the Sunday papers re: "High Fidelity".
It helped that it was a weekend with no competing film releases(Road to Eldorado...with Kenneth Brannagh?)
I am fervently hoping that all this interest in Nick Hornby will resuscitate
"Fever Pitch"...wouldn't that be nice?
~KarenR
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (14:58)
#985
Ann, the red lettering was fixed many, many messages back. But just so no one else see RED, I'm going to delete the original message. Moon's anniversary is over anyway. ;-D
~patas
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (15:18)
#986
~patas
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (15:27)
#987
Does anyone here know about this?
"Direct File Linking / Bandwidth Bandits
In Relation To Image Linking
This is something we feel very strongly about and many people don't know that it is wrong, or even what it is, so we're going to
explain. Any time you link to another person's graphic that is not inside your own website, and that in the HTML you call as:
You are being bandwidth bandit! What should be seen is:
or
or anything else, as long as it is inside your own site, not linked from another. Some things must be linked to, and you are
given permission to do so, for example, a counter on your website. As long as you have permission, it is OK. However, you do
not need permission to link to another website, provided you are linking to their site (for example, their main page), and NOT to
one of their individual graphics, for instance, their logo. If you were just linking to their logo, or any of their other images or
graphics, then you would be committing a internet no-no, which is best described as bandwidth or data transfer theft.
Many webspace providers charge more to its customers (like the A-1 Clipart Archive), when more bandwidth gets used within a
monthly period. Bandwidth is really just a technical term for the amount of data being transferred between their files and
someone else's. The fees are sent to the original site owner, not the person directly linking. These fees, depending on the
popularity of the site, and the price of the provider, can reach into the thousands of dollars."
I was going to paste a .gif from their site for Moon but now... If you want to read the rest of the text, the url is:http://www.free-graphics.com/bandit.htm
~Moon
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (15:39)
#988
Wow, Gi. Is this the end of our virtual fest here? I am not into commercials.
So unless we scan eveything from our own scanners and give it other gif or jpg names, we can not post an image? I think I like the sound of bandwidth bandit. ;-)
~MarciaH
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (16:14)
#989
~KarenR
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (16:52)
#990
There are many sites that ask you to download the image for your use. If a site has that warning, you DON'T link to the image, but you are allowed to use it on your own site. They don't want you to use their bandwidth (for which they are charged) each time an image is accessed here.
I respect those websites' requests and don't link directly to them. Both Moon and Gi have their own webspace and can upload images and link from them if they so desire.
You will see that warning at many graphics sites.
It does not mean an end to posting pictures here. It just means to read and respect what the owners ask.
~KarenR
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (17:24)
#991
How is this possible?
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Julia Roberts and her "Erin Brockovich" alter ego held off another slew of newcomers to win the North American box office derby for the third consecutive weekend.
At the top of the weekend's charts, "Erin Brockovich" earned about $14.2 million, a 23 percent fall from last weekend. Its 17-day total stands at $76.2 million.
Two rookies rounded out the top three: the DreamWorks cartoon "The Road to El Dorado" pulled in $12.5 million, a sum considered disappointing by the studio, and "The Skulls" (Universal) opened at No. 3 with $11.4 million, a sturdy sum given the bad reviews for the teen secret society drama.
Hong Kong action star Jet Li's "Romeo Must Die" (Warner Bros.) slipped two places and a hefty 46 percent to No. 4 in its second weekend with $9.7 million. The $25 million-budgeted chopsocky-gangland romance is expected to reach about $60 million, said WB distribution president Dan Fellman.
"High Fidelity" (Disney's Touchstone), a romantic comedy starring John Cusack as a music snob who ponders his romantic shortcomings in between compiling lists of songs, opened at No. 5 with $6.4 million. Its per screen average of $5,414 was the highest in the top 10. [...]
"High Fidelity" received strong reviews, and it pulled in equal shares of males and females primarily in the 18-30 age bracket, said Chuck Viane, president of Disney's Buena Vista Pictures distribution unit. Noting that Cusack's romantic comedy "Grosse Pointe Blank" opened at $6.8 million en route to $29 million in 1997, he hoped to bring in the review-sensitive, over-30 crowd in coming weeks.
~mari
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (21:01)
#992
What surprised you, Karen--did you think it would do better? I think it's a great showing. HF was only on one-half to one-third of the screens that the other films were, and it topped them in per screen average. It's still considered a small movie, but getting good exposure due to the positive reviews and Cusack's publicity efforts.
Moon, I just caught the last half of that E! show on Jennifer Tilly. That wasn't Meg they were interviewing; it was another sister, Rebecca, I think. They do all resemble each other.
~KarenR
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (22:09)
#993
I didn't check to see how many screens it was on because it's on like about 2,000 in Chicago alone! ;-) But what I found bizarre was the comment about getting out the "over-30 crowd." Maybe they were all at home watching the NC2As.
Speaking of E! I just saw a clip of Jude Law and Sadie Frost at the Oscars. Had seen him, but not her. Eeoww, bad choice of dresses. Looked like she was very cold. ;-p
~KarenR
Sun, Apr 2, 2000 (22:31)
#994
The Monday Times has weighed in on HF, starting off with the Reuters boxoffice info above, so I'll delete:
A US take on Nick Hornby has been showered with faint praise, says Sean Macaulay
John Cusack, as the moping antihero of High Fidelity, cuddles up to Iben Hjejle, the girlfriend who comes back to him. Some will wonder why she bothers
Cusack wallows in record whinge
[...]
The most praised new release is High Fidelity, an Americanised version of Nick Hornby's novel starring John Cusack. It took fifth place with an estimated $8 million. But the reviews - "wry", "quirky", "whimsical" - are synonyms for not much plot and will prove kinder than the word of mouth.
This is a static tale of a morose record store owner (Cusack) having a thirtysomething crisis after his girlfriend moves out. He reorganises his record collection, reviews his Top Five All-Time Break-Ups then tries to win her back in his passive-aggressive, selfish way.
It ends as souffl� light conventional romantic comedy, but not before spending countless moments striving for heartfelt drama. Every time there's a rainstorm Cusack heads outside to get drenched and wail at the sky.
Cusack scored a similar-sized hit two years ago with Grosse Pointe Blank, his romantic comedy about a hit man attending a high-school reunion. It was fun, zany, offbeat, all you could want until the Girl arrived. In the world view of the eternal adolescent male, the Girl is invariably the earnest voice of reason. This means she gives Cusack the big dramatic choice: be a hitman or be with me. It's a terrible choice because he is such a likeable hitman and the world is so madcap. The perfect match would be a woman who loves him precisely because he is a hitman. Even better, a girl who wants to be one too. It was a similar problem that afflicted Hornby's own film adaptation of his soccer fan memoir, Fever Pitch. The Girl represented maturity, the way forward, growing up. In short, everything you don't want in a romantic comedy.
Like the book, the film of Fever Pitch should have a been joyous romance. Boy meets Team. Boy Loses Team. Boy wins Team back. That courtship died the moment the Girl forced him to choose between his love of football and domesticity with her even though he was so happy with the team. I would have given him a girl who loved him precisely because he was an Arsenal nut. Even better, one who was more obsessed with the team than he was.
High Fidelity, at least, doesn't make this mistake. Iben Hjejle who plays the Girlfriend/ex-Girlfriend/Girlfriend doesn't tell Cusack he has to give up his obscure record shop. But she does urge him on to do something genuinely creative - like, gee, maybe recording a local band and getting back to being a DJ again.
All the trendy, indie cred the movie works so hard to cultivate evaporates with this cheeseball climax; all its hip music references, all its candid relationship analysis, all its heart-to-heart drama. It might as well be the dancing finale of Footloose with the falling glitter effect.
It also prompts a new list to add to the Top Five lists the characters keep compiling: Top Five Most Embarrassing Disco Dancing Scenes for White Male Actors. Cusack's arm-raised sashay as he follows his girlfriend into the crowd is right up there with Michael Douglas's dancefloor moment in Basic Instinct (V-neck sweater, nothing underneath) and Harrison Ford's Parisian nightclub turn in Frantic.
Until this eager-to-please finale, High Fidelity works the other way. Its hero is a royal pain. It's meant to be touching and honest but it exposes the limitations of the book's pensive, bruised new lad persona. It is the literature of loser justification - Bridget Jones for blokes. The phrase "Take it on the chin" is not in this character's vocabulary. "Why am I doomed to be rejected?" he asks. Hmm, let's see - because you're a whining, sad-sack, self-obsessed loser with no passion, no courage and no sensitivity for another's person's feelings.
The narcissism is breathtaking. "What came first the music or the misery?" he wonders - with his record collection, there's not much difference.
The real reason for Cusack's pain is his selfishness. He is a heel who can't admit it. The film doesn't want to see it either. We are meant to forgive the fact that he sleeps with someone else while his girlfriend is pregnant and still owes her money. Or not mind that he sleeps with a nightclub singer, all the while raging at his ex-girlfriend for having a new boyfriend (whom she's yet to sleep with).
Cusack is a performer of great charm. He's been playing everyman romantics since Say Anything and The Sure Thing. But even his candour can't paper over these wrong turns. There's no sweetness to him here. No decency. He's a baby, an eloquently rationalising angst-ridden baby, and director Stephen Frears is happy to mostly indulge him as he blames all his old girlfriends for his pain. If only it were a satire it would be a triumph.
~~~~~~
I have to disagree with the second to last paragraph. The page 92, hurl-the-book-against-the-wall admission is there in all its glaring hideousness.
~Moon
Mon, Apr 3, 2000 (07:51)
#995
It is the literature of loser justification - Bridget Jones for blokes.
LOL, Karen! Now you know why my DH did not care for it. The above critique I have heard before from him.
Mari, did you see Meg at all in the E profile? I imagine she would say something about Jennifer. That sister Rebecca must be her twin because she was identical to Meg.
~CherylB
Mon, Apr 3, 2000 (15:33)
#996
It is the literature of loser justification - Bridget Jones for blokes.
Was it Sean Macaulay who wrote that, or was he quoting Will Self?
~KarenR
Tue, Apr 4, 2000 (11:40)
#997
STARS COME OUT FOR BAFTA AWARDS
Hollywood legends Dustin Hoffman and Faye Dunaway and pregnant Titanic star Kate Winslet will be among the VIPs at this weekend's Baftas.
The stars are set to present prizes at the glittering awards ceremony in the Odeon cinema at London's Leicester Square.
Also lining up as guest presenters are Notting Hill star Hugh Grant, Shakespeare in Love heart-throb Joseph Fiennes, Naked Gun comic actor Leslie Nielson and supermodels Elle Macpherson and Naomi Campbell.
~~~~~~~
Now, if this were the Oscar telecast, the producers would have Colin, Renee and Hugh trotted out together with the announcer saying, "now the three stars of the most eagerly anticipated British film in years..." ;-)
~patas
Tue, Apr 4, 2000 (12:54)
#998
(KarenR)Now, if this were the Oscar telecast, the producers would have Colin, Renee and Hugh trotted out together with
the announcer saying, "now the three stars of the most eagerly anticipated British film in years..." ;-)
You wish... They'd probably leave Colin out of it entirely :-(
~mari
Tue, Apr 4, 2000 (13:49)
#999
You wish... They'd probably leave Colin out of it entirely :-(
More likely, he'd leave himself out of it entirely. This is a guy who's been known to skip his own premieres.:-(
~lafn
Tue, Apr 4, 2000 (15:41)
#1000
This is a guy who's been known to skip his own premieres.:-(
C'mon...you know he'd send someone in his place;-)
~mari
Tue, Apr 4, 2000 (15:53)
#1001
(Evelyn) C'mon...you know he'd send someone in his place;-)
Yeah, like Matthew Modine.;-) And then they can put Matt & Harvey's pic in the NY papers the next day.;-) *Much* better than going himself.:-(
~amw
Wed, Apr 5, 2000 (13:22)
#1002
What lengths to go for for some publicity, as things are a bit slow I thought I would post this snippet from The Times today:-
"Sir Tom Stoppard is upholding British honour on Broadway, as the Donmar Warehouse's production of The Real Thing swings into town. After a cricket bat prop was lost in transit, an American replacement was summoned. Not good enough, said the leading man, Stephen Dillane. So the playwright is flying out with his own bat "I'm really loath to lend it, even in such an emergency ",
he says "I'm terrified I won't get it back. It was signed by the entire Austalian Test team 20 years ago".
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 5, 2000 (15:01)
#1003
LOL!! Appears that SD has a touch of the prima donna in him (non-gender-specific type of course). Shame that Donna probably won't get to read this before meeting him. Would've been such an ice breaker, like, hey, Stevarino, what was wrong with the replacement bat? ;-)
~lafn
Wed, Apr 5, 2000 (15:57)
#1004
..Appears that SD has a touch of the prima donna in him
What?...that's his lucky bat....best scene in the show. Brings down the house every time!
Shame that Donna probably won't get to read this before meeting him.
I'll try to call her at the hotel.
~Tracy
Wed, Apr 5, 2000 (16:02)
#1005
To those RotP-ers and Springers meeting at Topham's Belgravia tomorrow (esp Winter & JenK)..see you there and if you're there before me at the bar, mine's a Bacardi & Coke *hic*
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 5, 2000 (16:28)
#1006
Say hi to Winter for us and tell her to get her resume over to the Donmar for their new film unit; they're looking for someone who can read (scripts). ;-)
~patas
Wed, Apr 5, 2000 (17:07)
#1007
Have fun, Tracy, Winter et alt. :-)
~fitzwd
Thu, Apr 6, 2000 (16:26)
#1008
The Donmar Gala and benefit performance of The Real Thing was a smash last night. Thanks to E and A for the bat story and lovely send-off. I got the best phone call before I left for the theater. It put me in a great mood.
Spotted in the theater and at the party were a few celebrities, including Erica Jong, a contingent from Sony including Sydney Pollack, Peter Gallagher who played the character of Billy in the original Broadyway run (with Jeremy Irons and Glenn Close in 1984), Bill Macy (currently in American Buffalo), an actor from Magnolia and now appearing in True West (can't remember the name), Harvey from Miramax, and of course Sam. Tom couldn't make it. Sam gave a very nice speech during the dinner. The Donmar staff are pleased that he will continue to work with the theater, even if less so due to his popularity. And yes, they confirmed that the news stories of their party while watching the Oscars was true. The staff was thrilled with the success of the party and were taking in many shows before they go back to the UK. They were very nice people.
The play was wonderful again, better than one of the earlier preview performances. This crowd was much more lively, much more laughter. A standing-O on the second curtain call. FYI, some staging differences from last week too. And JE played Annie less harsh. Very good changes.
The cast was friendly and pleased that Americans who saw the play in London were coming to see it again in NY. (I didn't mention the lucky UK lady who is coming to NY to see it again!) Sarah Woodward was especially warm and very attractive up close. They were all quite nice. JE looked wonderful (radiant as usual) in a lace dress, mid-calf. And SD was quite handsome in a dark suit and aqua shirt. They were all approachable and gracious. Very little picture taking with the public and I saw no autograph seekers (no Colin-like frenzy). Maybe they were there, but I didn't notice.
Yes, the story of the bat was true. Although the story gives the impression that it was lost. It was not, it was returned to the owner (who didn't want it to go to the US). A replacement was brought in from the US, but apparently it was not right. The bat that is being used looks like a well-worn bat. So perhaps it was the right decision to go with something that had the right look and feel.
The Supper Club was quite a nice place for a party. The staff were very attentive, constantly filling glasses, bringing around food, etc. I had asked the bartender for a White Russian. He apologized because he had no milk. But about 10 minutes later a waiter searched me out and brought around the drink. Very attentive.
Everyone that I met was very friendly. I met a lovely older lady from the UK who came to NY just to attend the gala. She had seen 3DOR too, and remarked at how much more handsome Colin seemed in person, though she thought he was quite handsome on film. :-) The Donmar staff praised Colin for being very friendly and easy to work with.
The party lasted for quite some time. It started about 9:30 and ended after 1am. The cast stayed long, as opposed to the 3DOR gala, where early departures were reported. It was a very fun evening, made especially memorable because of the warmth of the Donmar staff. You could tell they loved their work and were very appreciative of the response of the attendees. That is all. :-)
~Moon
Thu, Apr 6, 2000 (18:16)
#1009
Great report Donna, thank you!
What nice people the Donmar staff seem to be. Did you get a chance to speak to Sam? It sounds like a very old fashioned party, which are always the best. :-)
Did you also attend the 3DOR Gala? Who left early?
~heide
Thu, Apr 6, 2000 (18:34)
#1010
Thanks, Donna. Sounds like you had a lovely evening.
~fitzwd
Thu, Apr 6, 2000 (18:36)
#1011
Hi Moon - no, I did not speak to Sam. :-( Actually one of the Donmar staff was trying to introduce me to him, but he got called away, so the opportunity was lost. I could have been agressive and approached him, but I was having such a nice time talking to everyone else, I actually didn't mind missing the opportunity. The staff seems to be very loyal to him, and vice versa. It was really nice to see.
No, I was not at the 3DOR gala. But I heard through the grapevine that DM was the first to leave. I think he left fairly early. Colin was the second to leave, I think it was reported as around 11-ish. But by comparison, this cast all hung around (until at least 1am) and it was the guests who were leaving first. Hey, I would have stayed longer, but I ran out of people to talk to :-)
~lafn
Thu, Apr 6, 2000 (19:40)
#1012
Thanks Donna for being such a gracious ambassador last night.
A lot of us were with you in spirit....
....A standing-O on the second curtain call
A real Broadway Welcome...and guess what?...she didn't even have to drop her towel;-)
Sounds like the cast had a great time...a compliment to the audience and guests.
Ya' made it happen...proud of ya:-))
~patas
Fri, Apr 7, 2000 (08:01)
#1013
Donna, let me add my thanks for your report, it sounds like everyone had a good time and so did I reading it :-)
How did 3DoR and Colin come to be talked about?
~KarenR
Fri, Apr 7, 2000 (08:09)
#1014
Wonderful story, Donna. Sounds like you had an incredible evening. Did you slip SD your phone number? ;-)
Here's the only mention of the party I can find from the NY Post:
Oscar-winning "American Beauty" director Sam Mendes told this story at the Supper Club Wednesday after a preview performance of Broadway's upcoming "The Real Thing": Speaking to a group that included such A-listers as Sydney Pollack, Harvey Weinstein, Stanley Donen, Philip Seymour Hoffman, John C. Reilly, William H. Macy, Donna DL and Betty Buckley, Mendes recounted how the notables attending the annual Oscar nominees luncheon "all clinched their buttocks" when they were told to keep their acceptance speeches down to 45 seconds. "I am happy to be standing before you tonight with my buttocks finally unclinched," he said. "The Real Thing" opens on April 17.
~~~~~
The Magnolia actor would be John C. Reilly (the cop); his story was possibly my fav in the movie.
~fitzwd
Fri, Apr 7, 2000 (09:02)
#1015
"clinched buttocks" - hee hee, I forgot that line. Yes, Sam did say that. His speech was surprisingly long and engaging. He seemed to be a very nice person.
3DOR - I confess I would bring that up now and again, as in, "Did you see 3DOR?" Yes, many of the Donmar patrons had seen it and were favorably impressed. (of course!) With the staff, I joked with them about how some acquaintances of mine had "badgered" them about trying to get Colin's autograph. They actually had fond memories of that, talked about how sweet the ladies were, and mentioned how gracious he was with the public. Similar to Sam, I think the staff genuinely liked him. :-)
~EileenG
Fri, Apr 7, 2000 (09:06)
#1016
(Karen) John C. Reilly, William H. Macy, Donna DL and Betty Buckley
You're too much, Karen! :-D
Thanks for your report, Donna. Glad to hear the Donmar raised big bucks here in the states. *sigh* and I never get tired of reading stuff like this: The Donmar staff praised Colin for being very friendly and easy to work with.
~CherylB
Fri, Apr 7, 2000 (16:08)
#1017
(Donna DL) an actor from Magnolia and now appearing in True West (can't remember the name),
The actor in question could be either Philip Seymour Hoffman or John C. Reilly, as both were in the film "Magnolia",(that movie was trash -- my editorial comment), and are currently appearing in stage in "True West". Reilly and Hoffman alternate in the roles of the bickering brothers.
~CherylB
Fri, Apr 7, 2000 (16:14)
#1018
Since both Hoffman and Reilly are listed as having been there, it works for either one of them.
~lafn
Fri, Apr 7, 2000 (20:03)
#1019
TALK MAGAZINE, May issue (Russell Crowe on cover) has full page pic of JE&SD on p. 125.
(Thanks Harvey)
~patas
Sat, Apr 8, 2000 (05:01)
#1020
(Donna)They actually had fond
memories of that, talked about how sweet the ladies were
Good, now we know we can go again ;-)
~mari
Sat, Apr 8, 2000 (22:45)
#1021
Just returned from seeing The Real Thing in NY. What a day--beautiful sunny spring day in New York, great play, good friends . . .and we met Jennifer Ehle after the show!
I'll fast forward to meeting Jennifer. After the play, we were standing outside the theater, just chatting and debating where to go for coffee. We saw a couple of the actors (the guys playing Max and Billy) leaving by a door next to the theater, and decided to try our luck. After a few minutes, sure enough, out she comes, wearing a green leather coat. A couple was waiting for her to sing their poster. She chatted briefly with them, then I approached her and asked if she would sign my program. We told her how much we enjoyed the play and her performance, and I then told her I had seen it at the Albury in London and she said, "Really? That's fantastic!" I then told her that I actually preferred today's show--she gave me a big wry grin and said, "you know, I do too, it seems to be working." Janet told her that she had seen it on Broadway back in '84 with Glenn Close in her role. Jen said "I saw it then, too; wish I remembered more of it--I could have used it!" Bobbie then said, "but you were practica
ly a baby in '84." I added, "yes, in '84, we all watched it from our cradles." She laughed--that great throaty laugh--and said, "that's right--that's our story!" We then all commented on P&P and how it was the gold standard, and how she was the quintessential Lizzy. She seemed so pleased--said something like, "its such a great story, isn't it." We told her what a pleasure it was to see her perform live and wished her luck. We said good bye, and then she turned and said "thank you all so much for coming."
What a nice, pleasant girl. She has a very nice manner about her--very genuine, with a wry good humor.
Just realized I wrote nothing about the play. I'll do that next.;-)
~mari
Sat, Apr 8, 2000 (23:27)
#1022
Sorry for the typos in the above--I'm trying to get this down.
The play--terrific. They were all really *on.* Same staging as what we saw in London. The theater was full from what I could tell. We had great seats--6th row. BTW, the Barrymore is smaller than the Albury. Audience reaction was good, building as the show went on. (In the beginning, I felt they weren't projecting as loudly as they could, and I wonder if the folks in back or upstairs could catch it all. But this improved by about the middle of the first act.)
Stephen Dillane--I can't say enough about his performance. At no time do you ever feel that this guy is acting. Honestly, if I saw him on the street, I'd probably call him Henry.;-) The audience was howling during the cricket bat scene--and he seemed to respond to that and really brought it home, even falling to the floor when using Brody's script to bat. (Donna mentioned that she hadn't seen him do that before, but maybe she can elaborate.) Jennifer was laughing and seemed to really enjoy seeing him have some fun with it. Same with the scene where he's reading Brody's pathetic script, easing bit by bit into that Scottish accent--he really *sold it.* It's a great role and he does a superb job with it.
Believe it or not, after watching DQ so many times, I actually was able to understand most of what Brody says.;-)
Jennifer was wonderful also; she seems very confident and gives a completely naturalistic performance--nothing stagey or *actressy* about her.
Warm applause at the end, two curtain calls. . .but no standing O, except for a very few of us. Matinee audiences tend to be weird that way--like they can't wait to leave and head for dinner and a nap.;-) Donna felt the reception was much better today than the first preview she saw, but not as enthusiastic as at the Donmar benefit the other night--but that's understandable.
I guess that's about it. Jennifer is taller than I thought--we were both wearing flats, and I'd say she has about two inches on me, so about 5'7" or 5'8". Hair is redder than I recalled from London. She was wearing very little make-up--and looked gorgeous. Not fair at all, but she's so nice it's hard to hold it against her.;-)
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 8, 2000 (23:41)
#1023
Everything sounds fabulous. You were probably not fighting off the heavy eyelids of last time. ;-)
The Observer on High Fidelity, quite good and interesting.
http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/observer/screen/story/0,3879,157275,00.html
~amw
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (03:48)
#1024
Thanks for that wonderful report Mari, sounds as if everyone had a great time. I just love this play and am glad that things seem to be coming together just in time for the critics.
~lafn
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (11:04)
#1025
Thanks Mari...I was with you guys in spirit yesterday. Waiting to hear from Donna and others who went.
(Mari)Stephen Dillane--I can't say enough about his performance. At no time do you ever feel that this guy is acting. Honestly, if I saw him on the street, I'd probably call him Henry.;-)
(Mari)Jennifer was wonderful also; she seems very confident and gives a completely naturalistic performance--nothing stagey or *actressy* about her.
Your comment reminds me of the quote from Spencer Tracy when someone asked him what was the secret of a good actor , and he said: "Don't let them catch you at it" ;-)
These guys apparently have the secret.
~mpiatt
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (11:56)
#1026
Mari-Something I've been curious about JE: what is her speaking voice like? She was born in North Carolina, and has lived in England A LOT. So, what kind of accent does she have?
I told my DH about your JE encounter, but warned him it won't happen for us! We are going at night, and I for one, won't be hanging out by the stage door! Our first trip to NYC--we're so excited.
~heide
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (14:54)
#1027
Great report, Mari. What is it about the theater that allows such a feeling of camaraderie between the actors and audience? Hmmm, I think I just answered my own question.
~Moon
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (16:44)
#1028
Thanks, Mari! It brings back memories. SD is really hipnotic in that part. How does JE voice carry. She has a soft low voice and I remember she strained it a few times at the Donmar.
~amw
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (16:49)
#1029
It's our first trip to NYC as well Meredith, although it will be my fifth time of seeing TRT, I guarantee you and your husband won't be disappointed.
~lafn
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (16:51)
#1030
... She has a soft low voice and I remember she strained it a few times at the Donmar.
She did fine at the Albery.She did strain at the National ( a cavernous place)in Summerfolk. It was SD at the Albery that was inaudible at times in the mezzanine.I would think Mari could hear fine in the sixth row. (That's where I'm sitting next month)
~fitzwd
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (17:16)
#1031
Hi - to elaborate on Mari's comments...
SD seems to be so experienced on the stage, he can "turn on the juice" in reaction to an audience. Not mechanical, but very instinctive. The matinee audience was laughing at the infamous cricket bat scene (I believe Mari and I may have been the cheerleaders at that moment), and when SD hit the imaginery ball (words) with Brodie's bat (script), he not only howled "ouch", but he fell to the floor and rolled onto his back. That was my fourth viewing of this play, and the first time that I ever saw him roll to the floor and been flat on his back. (The first 3 times he just kind of hopped around yelling ouch.)
I'm not sure if he had ever done that before, but JE seemed to be relishing that act too. The audience loved it. Then during the evening performance, he was slightly less animated, falling only to his knees this time, but he didn't roll onto his back.
Gosh, I never tire of seeing this... Sigh...
Mari mentioned how SD eased into a Scottish brogue, bit by bit, while reading Brodie's script, especially when the dialogue becomes totally inane. That left the audience howling too. And interestingly, the "sinking" into the accent is not referenced in Stoppard's script. So again this may be SD's intelligence and genius in interpreting the author's words. I also noticed on the multiple viewings that he may occasionally pause and do his infamous "raising of his eyebrows" during this scene, depending on the audience reaction. When he does that, the audience laughs again. But he doesn't always do that.
I think he will be the toast of NY very soon. Thanks for indulging me :-)
~lafn
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (20:13)
#1032
Thanks Donna for your reports...you and Mari should be at every performance !!
I have never seen him falling on his back during the cricket-bat scene.It's a showstopper anyway.I bet Stoppard loves it.
He did "raising of the eyebrows " a lot at the Donmar and the audience howled.
No wonder Harvey saw it three times, and then went out and bought the film rights....
~Moon
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (21:58)
#1033
It was Almodovar over Mendes at the BAFTAS. That is what is meant by a beautly surprise. (I feel sorry for people who vote for Almovar's sick vision)
This is from the E. Telegraph:
Beauty and a beastly surprise at the Baftas
By Nigel Reynolds
THE hit film American Beauty triumphed at the Baftas last night, winning six awards - one more than it collected at the Oscars in America a fortnight ago.
Click to enlarge
But in the biggest surprise of the night, Sam Mendes, the film's 34-year-old British director, failed to repeat his success at the Academy Awards by winning the Best Director award. Showing customary British independence, the ceremony formerly known as the British Academy of Film and Television Arts gave that award to Pedro Almodovar, the Spanish director, for his film All About My Mother.
However, American Beauty was named Best Film and its leading stars, Kevin Spacey and Annette Bening were chosen as Best Actor and Best Actress. The title had eluded Miss Bening at the Oscars where Hilary Swank took the prize for Boys Don't Cry. American Beauty raised its tally at the star-studded ceremony when the composer Thomas Newman won the Best Film Music prize. It went on to carry off awards for Best Cinematography and Best Editing.
Before collecting his award, Mr Spacey indicated his surprise at Sam Mendes's defeat. He said: "Without him we couldn't have made it." Miss Bening, who was unable to attend the ceremony because she is expecting her fourth child by Warren Beatty, beat the British actresses Emily Watson and Linda Bassett as well as the American actress Julianne Moore for her award.
Although it was a thin night for British talent, Jude Law, one of the new British bratpack of actors, managed to reverse his Oscar defeat at the hands of Michael Caine to be named the Best Supporting Actor for his role in The Talented Mr Ripley. Dame Maggie Smith won Best Supporting Actress for her role in Tea With Mussolini. Law, now heavily in demand in Hollywood, arrived at the ceremony saying that despite his success he would never move to America because the film boom in Britain meant there were now huge opportunities here.
The Irish director and novelist Neil Jordan won the Best Adapted Screenplay award for reworking Graham Greene's semi-autobiographical novel about adultery, The End Of The Affair. The highly-rated East Is East, one of the few all-British films up for major awards, won one only - Outstanding British Film.
Law's win apart, there were no other awards for Anthony Minghella, director of The Talented Mr Ripley, or his team. And Notting Hill, the most commercially successful British film of all time, won nothing apart from the Orange Audience award. Orange, the telecom company and sponsor of the Baftas, polled 70,000 people to find the most popular film of the year. Notting Hill won with almost 14,000 votes.
The sponsorship also meant the prizes were renamed the Orange British Academy Film Awards. The television awards are to be held at a separate event. Outside the ceremony in the Odeon Leicester Square, central London, hundreds of fans gathered to catch a glimpse of the stars as they arrived. They included Dustin Hoffman, Faye Dunaway, Ralph Fiennes, Cate Blanchett, Hugh Grant and Elle Macpherson. The performers went on to a dinner and a party afterwards.
Ralph Fiennes came away empty-handed after being nominated for Best Actor for The End Of The Affair, as did his sister Martha, who directed her brother in the film Onegin. Lynne Ramsay, director of the highly acclaimed low-budget film Ratcatcher, set on a tough council estate in Glasgow, went home with the Best British Newcomer award.
~Moon
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (21:59)
#1034
beautly should be beastly.
~KarenR
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (22:15)
#1035
v. interesting, Moon. Defies logic to not give the award to Mendes, regardless. BTW, I don't think that Hilary Swank was eligible, as Boys Don't Cry just opened (last week) in England.
*clap clap* for Jude and an "are you kidding?" for best suppporting actress.
On another subject, I've got to say that I was thoroughly amazed at the job they did on Fail Safe tonight. Fabulous work with a fabulous cast of actors (save one - wasn't Martin Sheen available?). Did you notice that Stephen Frears directed it. Wow! Quality television on a major network and next week a production of Picnic.
~Moon
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (22:29)
#1036
I was stuck with Don Quixote at my house. My guys and the Knight errant thing. ;-D The beginning was alright but then it fell apart. The had it taking place in the 18th Century, go figure!
I too am glad for Jude Law. Sam should have won it.
~KarenR
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (22:50)
#1037
Watched the first hour of DQ, shaking my head at the anachronisms, then called Evelyn up about 15 minutes into Fail Safe and told her to change channels. Taped the Sopranos. ;-) Saw the very ending to DQ (during a commercial), it didn't appear as though they were true to the book. What was Dulcinea doing at his death bed? Pathetic, expected to see some leftover leprechauns.
~mari
Sun, Apr 9, 2000 (23:16)
#1038
(Meredith) Something I've been curious about JE: what is her speaking voice like? She was born in North Carolina, and has lived in England A LOT. So, what kind of accent does she have?
Hi Meredith, her accent in casual conversation seems sort of "transatlantic"--neither fully here nor there. On the Rosie O'D show, I believe she said she can easily switch back and forth between the two, and sometimes finds herself doing so in mid-sentence.:-)
(Meredith) I told my DH about your JE encounter, but warned him it won't happen for us! We are going at night, and I for one, won't be hanging out by the stage door!
If it's a nightime safety concern, fear not--remember, this is Rudy Giuliani's new and improved New York.;-) Seriously, I've walked around the theater district well past midnight several times--never a problem. The streets are crowded and full of normal folk, so party on and enjoy! When is your trip, and where are you from? Ann, when is your trip? I'm just sorry I didn't see TRT at the Donmar--there is no place like the Donmar!
Moon, you asked about Jennifer's voice carrying. It was fine, very clear and strong, no strain. It was the fellows who seemed a bit too low at first.
(Donna) I think he will be the toast of NY very soon.
And well he should be--it's a brilliant job. Donna, thanks for your report on the evening performance. Your description of SD's work in this as "instinctive, not mechanical" in terms of how each performance is delivered is right on. It is very exciting to see actors who can do this.
~KarenR
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (08:42)
#1039
~KarenR
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (08:44)
#1040
~KarenR
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (08:48)
#1041
Eh, what's that you say? Come again? It's whose birthday?
Laura? Laura who? OK...
HAPPY BIRTHDAY LAURA!!!
~Moon
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (09:37)
#1042
Happy Birthday Laura!
May all your wishes come true!
~lafn
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (10:48)
#1043
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LAURA
~lafn
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (10:52)
#1044
Thanks to Murph for the card.
And thank you Karen for alerting me to "Fail Safe"...was like being at a play.WoW!! Big kudos to George Clooney for producing this.
Don Q. was a loser...and with a good cast too. Written by John Mortimer who writes Rumple and other Brit shows. What a disappointment.
Agree with everyone ...Sam Mendes got screwed....by his own countrymen too.
Come on over here, Sam...we love you!!And bring the Donmar with you....
~EileenG
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (12:25)
#1045
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LAURA! (For some reason, I couldn't resist using capital letters. *heehee*)
Saw the first two minutes of DQ and deemed it hard to follow. Then on to the Sopranos (Karen, wait 'til you see the talking fish--hysterical), finishing with Fail Safe. Could Brian Dennehy get any bigger? He's shaped like a barrel. Thought Hank Azaria did a great job. He's so different in everything he does.
~lafn
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (12:55)
#1046
Donna has posted the pic from TALK Mag of SD & Jennifer.
http://fp.enter.net/~purrfect/dillane.htm
Click on Dillane Dateline. Cute sound file from TRT too....
~Tracy
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (13:13)
#1047
May I also add my Congrats, Laura!
Thanks Karen for the Observer Interview..I was just about to type it all in and then I saw your posting so you saved my fingers! Did you check out all the nice pics that went with the article - nothing new I don't think but still it's nice to see!
~CherylB
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (15:15)
#1048
Happy Birthday Laura! Have a great year.
~Elena
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (15:43)
#1049
Lovely Birthday to you, Laura.
~mpiatt
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (17:24)
#1050
(Mari) When is your trip, and where are you from?
We'll be up there Easter weekend. We're seeing "Waiting in the Wings" on Friday and TRT on Saturday (keeping it all in the family ). We're from North Carolina, very close to JE's birthplace and her mother's home.
~alyeska
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (18:24)
#1051
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Laura
~heide
Mon, Apr 10, 2000 (19:04)
#1052
Happy Birthday Laura!
Does this mean it's Jon's birthday today too?
~LauraMM
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (07:04)
#1053
Thank you all for the wonderful birthday wishes. I wish I could say it was a happy one, however it wasn't. Onward and upward (like watsihisname said on Ally McBeal.)
~EileenG
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (08:40)
#1054
(Meredith) We'll be up there Easter weekend
Just a few things to bear in mind for your trip:
1. Check the weather forecast carefully. You may need to bring everything in your closet: winter coat, shorts, etc.
2. Do not mention Hillary Clinton's name. It disturbs the mayor. Come to think of it, everything disturbs the mayor (but the place is cleaner and safer than ever).
3. Remember to ask "is that your final answer?" every time someone answers your question.
4. Bring Yankee garb. They won't let you into the city without it.
5. GMA is better than Today. You don't have to stand out in the street.
6. If you want to climb up to the crown in the Statue of Liberty, you've got to be at the ferry in Battery Park at the crack of dawn and not be afraid of heights--those steps get pretty darn narrow in her neck.
Enjoy your stay!
~mpiatt
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (09:22)
#1055
Eileen-LOL, Loved your travel tips! We'll put them to good use.
I've already heard about the weather. Didn't it snow the other day!?
So...what is considered "Yankee Garb"--anything, as long as it's black?
The only tourist thing that is a requirement (requested by DH-he's such a romantic) is the Empire State Building. And, yes, yours truly is afraid (actually a healthy respect for ) of heights. We will admire Liberty from afar this trip.
~EileenG
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (09:36)
#1056
(Meredith) Didn't it snow the other day!?
It's snowing right now, as a matter of fact.
Yankee garb--New York Yankees garb. Hats, jackets, etc. I should have been more specific ;-) Re: Empire State Bldg: get there early. The lines get really loooong and there's nothing interesting to look at while you're waiting. When you're up on top, face northwest and you'll see me waving to you from Jersey :-)
Lastly, remember to substitute 'youse guys' for 'y'all' and you'll fit right in!
~amw
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (10:01)
#1057
Have you got a Check List for me in July, Eileen, apart from not forgetting to bring my hubby,of course. Glad to read that the city is safe, does this apply after the theatres have closed, is it safe to walk back to the hotel!!You should publish a Tourist Guide.
~mpiatt
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (10:04)
#1058
Eileen-LOL again.
Yankee garb--New York Yankees garb
Shows you where my mind is--I thought is was some sort of anti-Southern thang that I needed to worry about! ;-)
~EileenG
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (10:20)
#1059
At least you won't need your winter coat, Ann! IMO the safest part of the city is the theater district because it's crowded with tourists 'til well past midnight. Even if you mistakenly hop the subway to Queens (as my DH and I did a few months ago--wanted to go from 51st St to Madison Square Garden and took the E train going the wrong way. Shame on those tourists from NJ!) it's still safe. NYC is presently cleaner, safer and nicer than I can remember (and I've had to knock a few squeegie men off my windshield in years past). As long as you use your common sense, you'll have no problems.
~KarenR
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (10:47)
#1060
Ann, the theater district has undergone a major overhaul. Some call it the Disneyfication of Times Square. Thing to be most feared: running into Goofy
~amw
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (10:51)
#1061
Thanks Karen, & Eileen, I hear it can be very hot and humid in July , need to bring some stamina with me but I don't think that will be a problem as I am so excited about coming to NY for the first time.
~patas
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (11:57)
#1062
Eileen, love your checklist :-)
Laura, I'm sorry it wasn't a happy Birthday for you, but as I am late with my birthday wishes, may I wish you many happy years to come?
And so you can start counting them now, here's my gift:
~fitzwd
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (12:15)
#1063
Another tip for NY - always carry small bills (single dollars and fives). Don't expect the taxi driver to always have change for a $20 bill (or to admit that he has).
~EileenG
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (14:11)
#1064
(Karen) Thing to be most feared: running into Goofy
Hee hee! Goofy sure beats the heck out of the peep shows and XXX movie theaters that used to populate Times Square and 42nd Street (picture a certain scene from Dutch Girls...)!
Another tip (this won't affect you, Ann): if you drive in, be prepared to pay outrageous prices for parking. Don't be intimidated about driving in Manhattan. It's not as hard as it looks. Just turn the radio up so you can't hear all those annoying horns and pretend your car has no sides.
~lafn
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (15:13)
#1065
(Eileen)Lastly, remember to substitute 'youse guys' for 'y'all' and you'll fit right in!
LOL...don't you believe it. Only the people from Neuw Joisey speak like that;-)
~~~~~
I feel as safe in NY as I do in London.(And it's not as expensive.)
~EileenG
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (15:35)
#1066
Only the people from Neuw Joisey speak like that
Only in Jersey City, that jewel *cough* *choke* on the Hudson.
~Tineke
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (15:45)
#1067
(Ann)does this apply after the theatres have closed, is it safe to walk back to the hotel!!
Ann, I walked in NY at night and didn't feel unsafe at all. We even took the metro at night. Just try to avoid empty streets.
I had an excellent tourist guide with loads of info about safety.
~KarenR
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (17:19)
#1068
(AnnW) is it safe to walk back to the hotel!
That all depends on where your hotel is. There are far more taxis in NY than people, but you might have to lay down on the street to stop one after the shows let out. They are very reasonable (comparatively speaking).
(AnnW) I hear it can be very hot and humid in July
Very likely could be. However, remember, everything is air-conditioned here, except the outdoors and the aforementioned taxis probably, whose drivers are masochists. ;-)
~amw
Tue, Apr 11, 2000 (17:29)
#1069
Thanks Karen & Tineke, very heplful comments, knowing it is safe makes the visit all the more exciting.
~LauraMM
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (08:17)
#1070
The Metro system in NYC is awesome. We used it a few weeks back, for $4 you can have unlimited use for that day! (which is cheap, when you think of getting on and off all day!)
Times Square has changed SO MUCH, I never once felt scared walking around. Ann, definitely check out the Frick Collection, it's small, but wonderful. There is a great Irish Pub in Times Square (on a side road, you can't miss it) called Langan's, food is wonderful! Even Penn Station has changed (for the better, however, all I remember is living in the bathroom (drank WAY too much):))
~EileenG
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (10:33)
#1071
(Karen) There are far more taxis in NY than people
Not any more. Lots of stuff written locally about the taxi shortage, due in part to booming tourism. Even without the shortage, I wouldn't ever count on getting a taxi when the theaters let out en masse or if it's raining. Unless you take off your clothes or do something else outrageous and attention-grabbing!
(Laura) The Metro system in NYC is awesome
Locals hate it--extremely confusing (stops change based on day of the week and time of day), used to be unsafe (remember Bernie Goetz?), abysmally crowded during rush hour. It can't compare to London's underground or Washington DC's metro. But implementation of the Metro Card payment system, major clean-up efforts, improved safety (still gotta watch for the looneys) and better signage have helped. Buses are another alternative to taxis. They take the Metro Card as well.
Re: safety--it's not without controversy. Saw an all-too-true cartoon in this week's Newsweek. A tourist wearing an "I love NY" t-shirt is looking through a storefront at a collection of other t-shirts. The caption: "New York City has changed since I was here last." The t-shirts read "hold your fire, NYPD!" "don't shoot! It's a cell phone" "ask questions first, shoot later" "unarmed black male" and "I love being lead-free".
~patas
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (12:34)
#1072
(LauraMM)Ann, definitely check out the Frick Collection, it's small, but wonderful
It's small and wonderful ;-)
~Arami
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (13:55)
#1073
What's in it?
~Moon
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (14:31)
#1074
Beware of cyclist in NY. More people are hit by them than they are by taxis.
What I love most of the Frick is the library. You should also have lunch at the Carlyle. Great place to run into old New York with their hip grandchildren. Also Cafe des Artists on the West side. Perfect for after Theatre or Opera/Concert dinning.
~mari
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (14:38)
#1075
The Frick museum was Henry Frick's home (mansion is more like it). I believe he had it specially built to house his vast art holdings. Frick was a railroad tycoon--early 1900s. Beautiful collection of paintings (including many of the European Masters), sculpture, bronzes, porceleins, furnishings, etc. Well worth a visit; it's right on Central Park East at 70-something Street.
~amw
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (14:42)
#1076
Thanks Laura and everyone for recommending the Frick Museum, will certainly add it to our List, just hope we have time to do everything we want to do.
~CherylB
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (15:19)
#1077
Henry Clay Frick was perhaps is the best example of the American Robber Baron of the Guilded Age. For a time he was business partner of Andrew Carnegie in Carnegie Steel. Both Frick and Carnegie were pivotal figures in the Homestead Strike. However, I digress, the Frick in New York is well worth visiting. If you're ever in Pittsburgh, you might consider visiting Frick's home, Clayton, a Victorian Gothic mansion, to be sure.
On the subject of Times Square, my friend E., a life-long New Yorker, says the only thing which remains of the old Times Square is the HoJo's (Howard Johnson's). While in Times Square you might run across the Homeless Theatre Critic. I'm not making that up -- he's real.
~lafn
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (15:38)
#1078
The Frick museum was Henry Frick's home (mansion is more like it)
Also less intimidating than the Metropolitan Museum of Art...thought that one is worth a visit too.The Americana wing esp. and the Egyptian wing for the display..I swear you think you're in Luxor.So much of the other stuff,old masters) you have at the National Art Gallery and the British Museum.
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (16:53)
#1079
Couldn't resist this one:
UK's Optimum, MGM team for Flawless release (12/04/00)
Optimum Releasing, the indie distributor that flashed its marketing savvy by re-releasing The Third Man opposite Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, has struck a joint partnership with MGM to release Flawless, starring Robert DeNiro and Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Optimum and MGM have also partnered for a UK release on Mike Figgis� Miss Julie. Additionally, Optimum is re-releasing Jean-Luc Godard�s Breathless (A Bout De Souffle) on its 40th anniversary and has acquired Iranian Oscar nominee Color Of Paradise.
Optimum was formed last year by Will Clarke, who was formerly at UK distributor the Feature Film Co.
"The company is now in the position where it can comfortably release a diversity of mainstream and traditional art-house product with precision in the UK," Clarke said.
~~~~~~~
Don't know why they didn't mention the Secret Laughter of Women? ;-)
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (22:46)
#1080
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 12, 2000 (22:46)
#1081
This article from The Guardian is about Anna Karenina, but interestingly it was directed by David Blair (as a last minute replacement) just after he did Donovan Quick. "Blair, his replacement, has come straight from making a film with Colin Firth and admits that he hasn't read the book and is still finding his way."
http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/arts/story/0,3604,160335,00.html
~lafn
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (11:59)
#1082
Sounds like they bit off more than they can handle....
Why didn't they get Simon Langton? He directed the 1985 TV movie with Jacqueline Bissett, Christopher Reeve and Paul Scofield.
(Hey Donna , can't see dumping SD for Dougie Henshall)
~luvvy
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (12:30)
#1083
re: Anna K. I think this is the production co-produced by Rebecca Eaton at WGBH Boston. It's on the schedule for next season Masterpiece Theatre on US PBS stations.
~Arami
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (16:59)
#1084
Why didn't they get Simon Langton?
Obviously not everybody thinks that the sun shines out of his behind... ;-) I was unhappy with some scenes in P&P which lacked "vision" and buoyancy. He is generally OK, but does make occasional mistakes (for which less experienced audience - i.e. most of us - tend to blame actors).
~lafn
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (17:41)
#1085
He is generally OK, but does make
occasional mistakes (for which less experienced audience - i.e. most of us - tend to blame actors).
Well...being a member of the "great unwashed", I didn't see any errors and was generally mesmerized by the whole production.One does hear of lighting that wasn't the same in some scenes etc....I just chalk up to people who always look for those thorns in rose bushes....
~Arami
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (18:34)
#1086
I'm talking mainly about small points of concern to those who are particular about the period. The Republic of Pemberley site is forever chewing over full details of what and why could be considered not quite right. But I agree that on the whole these relative trivia do not spoil the enjoyment. Yes, I was also mesmerised! Most scenes were brilliant, some outstanding - thanks to great casting, of course (though I'm still not too sure about cartoon-style takes on some characters).
~mari
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (19:20)
#1087
I know there's been discussion here from time to time on why CF doesn't win BAFTAs and theater critics awards. Thought this might be of interest.
**********
Caine mutiny opens acting class divide
Oscar winner's outburst unites stars from humbler backgrounds against snobbery in British film and theatre as valleys lad quits for States
Film Unlimited
Fiachra Gibbons, Arts Correspondent
Friday April 14, 2000
The acting profession was last night thrown into a tizz over the five letter word that is still its greatest taboo - class.
Nudity, violence and strong language hardly raise a hackle these days but pulses have been set racing after three "working class" stars branded British film and theatre "class ridden" and "snobbish".
Michael Caine set the cat among the pigeons by using his acceptance speech for his lifetime's achievement award at the Baftas to complain about how as a south Londoner with a "duff accent" he felt ignored and unloved, like "a stranger in my own country and profession".
The former meat market porter turned Hollywood star was promptly dismissed as an ungrateful, grouchy "millionaire whinger" until Jane Horrocks, who played alongside him in Little Voice, rallied to his defence.
Horrocks, 36, insisted there was "a lot of snobbery" in the film industry and said she was told to ditch her broad Lancashire accent at drama school. "Juliet Stevenson, Judi Dench and Maggie Smith are always getting awards. That isn't to say that they don't deserve them but it's much easier for them," she said. "It happens a lot with the middle and upper classes in the profession while a lot of people in the lower classes are ignored."
Bob Hoskins piled in to confirm that the British industry was indeed full of "lunatics" who judged actors on their accent and backround rather than their talent. "There is still a class aspect in this country. It is ridiculous," he said.
Last night the plebeian thespians found support from an unexpected quarter. Actor Corin Redgrave, head of the nearest thing British stage has to a royal family, said there was "sadly a lot of truth in what they say".
What is more, he claimed, it is much more difficult now for working class kids to become actors than it was even in Caine's day. "If it was hard for Michael Caine in the sixties, it's harder now. Back then there were a lot of working class actors and writers coming through. Take Albert Finney or Tom Courtenay. They could get grants to go to drama school but they are only given now on a discretionary basis, which means more often than not they are not getting them at all. I get heartbreaking letters all the time from young people working all hours to get through drama school. It's wrong and that is leading to working class people not being represented in the way they should."
Philip Headley, artistic director of the Theatre Royal Stratford East, said the class divide still held. "You only have to look at the careers of someone like Ann Mitchell, who was so brilliant in Widows on TV. She should be a mainstay of the National Theatre and the RSC but only now in her sixties is she getting to play the Greek tragedies on really big stages, and that is with Peter Hall in America."
Headley said the real unfairness came at awards, where middle and upper class actors usually clean up. Occasionally, working class actors do scoop the big awards though. Kathy Burke won best actress at Cannes for Nil By Mouth, but even she has not entirely buried the class hatchet.
When Helena Bonham Carter complained that you "have an easier time if you're not pretty and you're working class", Burke wrote her a little note to sympathise: "As a lifelong member of the non-pretty working classes, I would like to say to Helena Bonham Carter (member of the very pretty upper middle classes): shut up you stupid c***."
Even so, film and the theatre are still far less exclusive than many areas of British life, maintained producer Stephen Woolley. The bias emerges at award ceremonies.
He added: "Award committees will inevitably always go for the face that fits or that seems to be right and respectable.
"That's why maybe John Hurt who played Stephen Ward in [the Profumo film] Scandal never won a Bafta for his performance - people did not want to be seen as backing his character."
Actor Ray Winstone, a former boxer who won huge acclaim but few prizes for films such as Nil By Mouth, is much less circumspect. "People say there's no class system. Let me tell you, there f****** well is."
The oiks
Sir Ian McKellen: Don't let the knighthood fool you. Famously fled the "middle class" West End for down to earth Leeds.
Ray Winstone: Started as a boxer and was an amateur English champion before the director Alan Clarke spotted him.
Jane Horrocks: Lancashire-born actor who refused to lose her accent while at Rada
Kathy Burke: describes herself as "a north London working class Irish peasant and proud of it"
The toffs
Helena Bonham Carter: Aristocratic blue blood from a long line of bankers and politicians.
Rupert Everett: Scion of wealthy Norfolk gentry, who was packed off to Ampleforth when he was seven.
Ralph Fiennes: Can trace his lineage right back to the Norman Conquest where his forebearers built a castle at Hertsmonceux in Sussex.
Kristin Scott Thomas: Got that cut-glass accent at Cheltenham Ladies College.
~patas
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (19:25)
#1088
Well, can anyone find fault with our Colin's accent? ;-)
~Arami
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (20:14)
#1089
Awards always will be a matter of a little bit more than just merit... - unless of course award boards agree to feed all the names in the computer and leave it to the cyber-chance... Michael Caine continued his accusations at a private party attended by his family and friends after last Sunday's ceremony - including Horrocks and Hoskins, who seemed to be prattling under the influence... Apparently later Caine tried to diffuse the situation and another of his friends, film director Michael Winner, said jokingly that "Michael has had a bad day today: no one gave him an award... when his wife passed him his coat, he made an acceptance speech..."
~heide
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (20:28)
#1090
Awright Kathy Burke. LOL!!
Hmmm, if the theory is that "upper class" actors have the "upper hand", then it still doesn't explain while Colin continues to be ignored. Wasn't he just complaining in the recent article posted on 129 that he's always resented being called "posh"? Hey, we know he's not a toff, but he sure can pass for one.
~KarenR
Thu, Apr 13, 2000 (22:08)
#1091
Hmmm, if the theory is that "upper class" actors have the "upper hand", then it still doesn't explain while Colin continues to be ignored.
Perhaps because the establishment people know he is not one of them and he has no desire to be one of them.
~luvvy
Fri, Apr 14, 2000 (08:43)
#1092
Michael Winner? Michael Winner??? Dear god in heaven. Has that man ever made a decent film, much less an award winning one? He's a revolting little t**d, my dears, and a f***ing miserable excuse for a director.
Babbling to myself, just ignore me.
~Arami
Fri, Apr 14, 2000 (16:49)
#1093
I quite agree, Chris. But Winner *occasionally* manages a witty remark - and the one above happens to be quite funny. Apart from that he is everything you say - and one of Caine's cronies... Enough said.
~alyeska
Sat, Apr 15, 2000 (18:17)
#1094
Colin also backs causes that are note politicaly correct and makes movies like Tumbledown, which was not well recieved by some of the powers that be. It was too near the truth.
~Arami
Sat, Apr 15, 2000 (18:51)
#1095
Colin also backs causes that are note politicaly correct
Humane treatment of less fortunate people regardless of their background is not politically correct?
and makes movies like Tumbledown
How many such movies has he made so far? He also makes movies like Playmaker.
:-)
~LauraMM
Sat, Apr 15, 2000 (20:03)
#1096
(Arami) How many such movies has he made so far? He also makes movies like Playmaker.
:-)
Well he is an ACTOR, and that is what ACTORS do, they make movies. Good or bad.
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 15, 2000 (23:44)
#1097
Article in the NY Times about Stephen Dillane:
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/artleisure/realthing-thater.html
~Arami
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (08:52)
#1098
250
~Arami
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (09:00)
#1099
Oops - I don't know what happened there...
Well he is an ACTOR
You don't say..................? ;-)
Article in the NY Times about Stephen Dillane:
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/artleisure/realthing-thater.html
Here's a professional who really has got it cornered... Comparisons might be unfair...
~mari
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (09:46)
#1100
(Arami) Here's a professional who really has got it cornered... Comparisons might be unfair...
Ah, go ahead and live dangerously, Arami.;-)
Nice article, Karen. It captures what a number of us here have been saying about Dillane's abilities and technique.
~Arami
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (10:18)
#1101
Ah, go ahead and live dangerously, Arami.;-)
Moi...? (;-P) I'll let someone else take the first bite... if they dare... ;-)
~heide
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (10:48)
#1102
Ladies, ladies, you're almost drooling. Would you like a Stephan Dillane topic? Your wish is our command.
~Arami
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (11:55)
#1103
Not me, alas. I very highly admire and respect Stephen as an actor but, apart from that, quite honestly, he renders me impotent (I can't get my drool to rise... ;-D).
~fitzwd
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (12:31)
#1104
Well to badly misquote a Tom Stoppard line in TRT, Stephen leaves all 4 of my lips quivering :-))
Hmmm, maybe that's why I keep fidgeting in my seat...
~CherylB
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (13:28)
#1105
TMI -- too much information. Still, Donna if you're enjoying yourself; knock yourself out over SD.
~mari
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (14:08)
#1106
No need to start a Dillane topic on my account, Heide, but thanks anyway. Shallow gal that I am, my considerable admiration for him is purely professional.;-) I do imagine we'll have a number of TRT articles and reviews posted here in the coming days, but if no one minds, we can keep it here.
Now let's see some nice Jennifer articles too. . .:-)
~Passionata
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (17:07)
#1107
Four quivering lips? Phheeww
~alyeska
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (18:21)
#1108
I will try to find the article about Tumbledown. The writer says that many influential people were very upset about that movie because it showed a little too graphicaly how the patients in vets hospitals were treated.
To the people trying to pass laws tightening the immigration laws the protesters are political burrs in their pants.
~Arami
Sun, Apr 16, 2000 (19:04)
#1109
Four quivering lips? Phheeww
You have to do better than that, Passionate Colin, dear. Phheeww, phheeww, phheeww, phheeww.
~mari
Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (07:26)
#1110
Check out this kid's age.
************
Aussie Ledger to star in ``Feathers''
By Claude Brodesser and Michael Fleming
HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Australian newcomer Heath Ledger is in advanced talks to play the lead role in ``Four Feathers,'' a remake of the famed 1939 Zoltan Korda picture.
Ledger would portray a British officer who resigns his post just before battle and subsequently receives four white feathers from his friends and fiancee as symbols of what they believe to be his cowardice.
The 21-year-old has just wrapped the Mel Gibson starrer ``The Patriot'' upon which Sony is pinning much of its hopes for summer box office. Ledger's only American film credit prior to that Revolutionary War picture was Disney's Shakespearean update ``10 Things I Hate About You.''
But he got raves from Columbia brass for his work in ``The Patriot,'' and that led to Columbia's offer to topline ``L.A. Confidential'' co-scribe Brian Helgeland's newest picture, ``A Knight's Tale,'' now lensing in Prague.
Helmed by Shekhar Kapur (''Elizabeth''), ``Feathers'' was originally to have starred Jude Law, but talks over his salary broke down last month. The Paramount/Miramax co-production will be shot in Morocco this spring.
Reuters/Variety
~KarenR
Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (09:02)
#1111
Thanks, Mari. I heard that kid being hyped last week on ET as the next Somebodyorother. ;-)
Seems to be a plethora of Don Quixote projects surfacing. From FilmUnlimited today:
Johnny Depp could be playing opposite his real-life partner Vanessa Paradis, and reuniting with Terry Gilliam in The Man Who Killed Don Quixote.
Depp is in advanced talks to play Sancho Panza, the servant of Don Quixote, a wandering knight who battles both windmills and reality itself. In a twist on Miguel de Cervantes' 17th century classic, Depp's character is a modern-day advertising executive who travels back in time to meet Don Quixote.
Paradis would play Aldonza, a kitchen-wench whom Don Quixote sees as the most beautiful woman the world.
The production, which would reunite Depp and Gilliam after Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas, is thought to be the largest-scale picture backed by the UK National Lottery to date. The project's other European backers include Le Studio Canal Plus, French production outfit Hachette Premiere and German film fund KC Medien.
Pathe Pictures is aiming for a September shoot in the UK and Spain. France's Rene Cleitman is producing, while Los Angeles-based sales operation Pathe International is handling international sales.
~~~~~~~
Let's see, in our TV version, Aldonza was played by Vanessa Williams (beautiful woman) and in this new one, she will be played by Vanessa Paradis, another beautiful woman. Apparently, the producers haven't the guts to go for a plain woman.
~KarenR
Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (09:38)
#1112
BTW, I have opened up a new topic for Stephen Dillane. It is 132, and would be a perfect place for all the TRT notices. (you know me, everything in its place)
~fitzwd
Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (10:22)
#1113
(Karen) BTW, I have opened up a new topic for Stephen Dillane
Hee hee. My quivering lips thank you! FYI, Stoppard does write about uppers and lowers in TRT. This is the scene with Henry (SD), Charlotte (Sarah Woodward) and Max (Nigel Lindsey). Charlotte is complaining about how Henry writes his women characters, with her role in "House of Cards" having a stiff upper one and two semi-stiff lower ones all trembling for him (Henry).
:-D))
~LauraMM
Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (11:31)
#1114
Heath Ledger is a cutie, btw;)
~mari
Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (12:36)
#1115
Hmmm, sounds like Rupe is really winning friends and influencing people.;- ;-)This letter was in yesterday's L.A. Times:
It is a naive assumption that bad films begin life as bad scripts ("Frailty, Thy Name is Director," by Kenneth Turan, April 9). In postulating about why good directors "choose" weak screenplays, Turan has overlooked an increasingly frequent cause of script-deterioration: the egocentric actor.
The original screenplay for "The Next Best Thing," which Turan lashes, was a highly regarded script that several studios wanted to buy; however, the version that John Schlesinger signed on to direct was not the version that made it to the screen. Although uncredited, Rupert Everett was allowed to rewrite the screenplay, bragging loudly to any journalist who would listen that he had "improved" it. I think the result speaks for itself.
LESLIE DIXON
Producer, "The Next Best Thing"
Beverly Hills
~mari
Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (13:08)
#1116
(Laura) Heath Ledger is a cutie, btw;)
If you like zygotes.;-)
And to think some of us hoped CF might have a shot at this one.:-(
~LauraMM
Mon, Apr 17, 2000 (14:59)
#1117
If you like zygotes.;-)
And to think some of us hoped CF might have a shot at this one.:-(
]
My taste in men of late is generally in the geriatric level, so um, a zygote is a nice change of pace for me;)
I don't know much of Four Feathers, sounds like a Marx Brothers production;)
~KarenR
Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (11:16)
#1118
Cannes lineup is now being released
In Competition - compete for the following awards: Palme, d'Or, Grand Jury Prize, Best Actress, Best Actor, Best Director, and Best Screenplay
"S�nger Fr�n Andra V�ningen," directed by Roy Andersson
"Eureka," directed by Aoyama Shinji
"O Brother, Where Art Thou," directed by Joel Coen
"Kippur," directed by Amos Gita�
"The Yards," directed by James Gray
"Estorvo," directed by Ruy Guerra
"Chunhyang," directed by Im Kwon Taek
"The Golden Bowl," directed by James Ivory (with Jeremy Northam!)
"Guiza Lai Le," directed by Jiang Wen
"Fast Food Fast Women," directed by Amos Kollek
"Nurse Betty," directed by Neil LaBute
"Bread and Roses," directed by Ken Loach
"La Noce," directed by Pavel Lounguine
"Takht� Siah," directed by Samira Makhmalbaf
"Gohatto," directed by Nagisa Oshima
"Trolosa," directed by Liv Ullman
"Dancer in the Dark," directed by Lars von Trier
"Untitled," directed by Wong Kar-Wai
"Yi Yi," directed by Edward Yang
Un Certain Regard - the non-competitive section of the official selection. (However, first-time films presented in this section can compete for the Camera d'Or.)
OPENING FILM: "Things You Can Tell Just By Looking At Her," directed by Rodrigo Garcia
CLOSING FILM: "I Dreamed Of Africa," directed by Hugh Hudson
"Preferisco Il Rumore Del Mare," directed by Mimmo Calopresti
"Capitaes De Abril," directed by Maria De Medeiros
"Famous," directed by Griffin Dunne
"Oh! Soojung," directed by Hong Sang-Soo
"Wild Blue," directed by Thierry Knauff
"The King Is Alive," directed by Kristian Levring
"Tierra Del Fuego," directed by Miguel Littin
"Jacky," directed by Brat Ljatifi & Fow Pyng Hu
"Asi Es La Vida," directed by Arturo Ripstein
"Abschied," directed by Jan Sch�tte
"Lista De Espera," directed by Juan Carlos Tabio
"Nichiyobi Wa Owaranai," directed by Yoichiro Takahashi
"La Saison Des Hommes," directed by Moufida Tlatli
"Woman On Top," directed by Fina Torres
"Lost Killers," directed by Dito Tsintsadze
"Eu Tu Eles," directed by Andrucha Waddington
"Djomeh," directed by Hassan Yektapanah
Out of Competition - special screenings
OPENING NIGHT: "Vatel," directed by Roland Joff�
CLOSING NIGHT: "Stardom," directed by Denys Arcand
OUT OF COMPETITION:
"Requiem For A Dream," directed by Darren Aronofsky
"Mission To Mars," directed by Brian De Palma
"Under Suspicion," directed by Stephen Hopkins
"A Conversation With Gregory Peck," Barbara Kopple
Still waiting for the Directors Fortnight category...
"Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon," directed by Ang Lee
"Honest," directed by Dave Stewart
"Cecil B. Demented," directed by John Waters
***
"Avril (1962)," directed by Otar Iosseliani
"Les Glaneurs Et La Glaneuse," directed by Agn�s Varda
~mari
Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (12:51)
#1119
Thanks for the Cannes list, Karen. Disappointed that RV is not there. . . .was still hoping . . .
"The Golden Bowl," directed by James Ivory (with Jeremy Northam!)
You mean poor Mr. Merchant has been replaced by JN? ;-) ;-) Good to see Jeremy's name.
"Nurse Betty," directed by Neil LaBute
Starring (drum roll here, please) Renee Zellweger. Good exposure for her.
CLOSING FILM: "I Dreamed Of Africa," directed by Hugh Hudson
Oh, sure. Hugh Hudson is going to have a hit one year too late.;-)
~KarenR
Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (15:02)
#1120
I had a farm in Africa at the foot of the Ngong Hills...oops, I mean, I dreamed of Africa. If there's a biplane flying around some rift valley, I'm outta there! ;-)
Thank goodness Nurse Betty wasn't written by you-know-who, although I wonder about any project he's associated with.
~Arami
Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (16:47)
#1121
I had a farm in Africa
sadly, farms in Africa are a dangerous thing today.
~lafn
Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (17:12)
#1122
(Mari)Thanks for the Cannes list, Karen. Disappointed that RV is not there. . . .was still hoping . . .
Cancel that trip to France!!
Let's start working on Toronto!
~KarenR
Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (23:08)
#1123
Interesting article about Cusack and High Fidelity on Reuters.
Cusack Plays to His Own Tune in 'High Fidelity'
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - It is no huge commercial hit, John Cusack's "High Fidelity," with only $16.8 million in domestic ticket sales in about three weeks in theaters.
It will not break box office records or make instant stars of relative unknowns, but with its modest success "High Fidelity" will keep its star, co-writer and co-producer, John Cusack, comfortably in the movie business.
Contrary to popular belief, making Hollywood movies is not just about smashing box office records -- or cars, airplanes or even egos. Just check the five Oscars and $124 million-plus domestic ticket sales for "American Beauty."
At age 34 and with 17 years of film roles under his belt, Cusack knows that little secret as well as anybody.
If he shows up in every now and then in a big budget thriller like 1997's "Con Air," the corporate suits who run the studios give him the money to make movies his way. Sometimes they are hits, like the first film he co-wrote and produced, "Grosse Pointe Blank," and sometimes they are not.
"They (the studios) have to have the perception that you can bring people into the movie theaters, so sometimes you have to do films that normally wouldn't be your first choice," Cusack told Reuters in an interview. "I don't think anybody survives in Hollywood for 15 or 20 years without compromise."
As much as anything, "High Fidelity" is about the fine art of compromise, albeit of a different sort than the kind Cusack seems to have mastered so far in his career in Hollywood.
The film, based on Nick Hornby's novel of that name, stars Cusack as Rob Gordon, a music junkie and owner of a record store in Chicago who cannot fully commit to a relationship. As a result, the women in his life are always walking out on him.
A personal conflict arises in his mid-30s when his live-in girlfriend Laura (Denmark's Iben Hjejle) decides she will never be Mrs. Rob Gordon and moves out. Her departure sends him in search of old girlfriends to find out why they all left him, as well as looking for someone to fill Laura's side of the bed.
After finding and questioning his list of all-time top-five girlfriends, Rob learns it is not the women in his life who are walking out on him but he who refuses responsibility that could last a lifetime, whether in his music career or his love life.
"A lot of stuff that happens in this movie has happened to everybody. I've certainly been in relationships half committed and realized that you have to get in or get out," Cusack said.
While "High Fidelity" may sound like a story meant mostly for men, Cusack said some of the best response has come from women who see Laura's character as strong and unwilling to put up with Rob's indecision. In fact, before he can fully realize his past mistakes, she moves in with another man.
Cusack said he, too, has been "kicked in the chest" by a breakup that results in a lover heading into the arms of another man and it is the sort of story people learn from and the sort of story he likes to tell.
"High Fidelity" is also a story about music and music's affect on people as well as about introspection and searching, two other topics Cusack enjoys. He calls himself a "music lover" who remembers certain times in his life through the songs he was listening to at the time, and he says he explores his own thoughts and actions "more often than he should."
But if it were not for that sort of inner voice telling him what to do or where to go, movie fans would not have films like "High Fidelity" that feature stories of everyday life treated with thought and concern and even a touch of humility.
Instead, all of Hollywood's films would feature car crashes and hopelessly unrealistic sets of circumstances.
"I want people to have a good time and I want them to be entertained," said Cusack. "But I want there to be something behind it too, so it makes you think."
~Moon
Tue, Apr 18, 2000 (23:10)
#1124
I had a farm in Africa at the foot of the Ngong Hills...oops, I mean, I dreamed of Africa. If there's a biplane flying around some rift valley, I'm outta there! ;-)
LOL, Karen! I saw the previews... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
Un Certain Regard, seems more interesting than the ones in the competition. Anyway, Cannes is not what it used to be. I think they are honoring Jean-Luc Godard this year. Ah, la nouvelle vague!!!
~lafn
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (09:06)
#1125
Let's start working on Toronto!
Toronto International FF Sept. 7-16
http://www.bell.ca/filmfest
They suggest in mid-July call to make flm reservations.
Schedule is finalized in late August.
Should I call to make hotel reservations?
~lafn
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (09:15)
#1126
TO KAREN
N' Lottsa' Lov....
~lafn
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (09:18)
#1127
You told me it would work!!
Anyway... HAPPY PASSOVER,KAREN
~Moon
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (10:12)
#1128
Have a wonderful Passover, Karen! Say hello to all the family and do not cook too much. ;-)
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (10:15)
#1129
Thanks, Evelyn and Moon. Evelyn, I don't know what you attempted to post, so can't investigate.
~LauraMM
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (10:39)
#1130
Happy Passover, Karen. Have fun tonight. (don't EAT too much;))
~CherylB
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (15:23)
#1131
Happy Passover to all those of the Jewish faith.
~KJArt
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (16:48)
#1132
HAPPY PASSOVER, KAREN!
Don't stuff yourself at Seder!! KJ
~lafn
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (17:49)
#1133
New "Premiere" Mag....
"The 100 Most Powerful People in Hollywood"
John Calley ranked as #10.
".....Calley,69, dreams of retiring with his family to Victoria, British Columbia....."
[Uh,oh...to the "backwoods cabin"?
And he thought he had left that place for good...]
~Arami
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (20:23)
#1134
".....Calley,69, dreams of retiring with his family to Victoria, British Columbia....."
Does he dream or is the dream dreamt for him...?
~sprin5
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (20:26)
#1135
I may be going there this summer.
~mari
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (21:55)
#1136
(Arami) Does he dream or is the dream dreamt for him...?
Ha! You've nailed it, Arami. Amazing. The woman is a veritable pied piper.;-)
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (22:23)
#1137
Oh, KJ!! I love the dancing matzo. Going to have to send that image to some family.
And thanks to everyone else. The next 8 days are a culinary trial. Ack.
~KJArt
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (22:48)
#1138
Another Happy Passover Wish:
Karen: If you can, please explain what is this search for the "Afikoman"?
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 19, 2000 (23:14)
#1139
A party game for the kiddies. A piece of matzo is broken off during the seder and hidden. After the meal, the little kids go to find it. Winner gets something. I've never understood how anyone can hide something in a roomful of people. Suspect it's done in advance.
~Moon
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (07:19)
#1140
".....Calley,69, dreams of retiring with his family to Victoria, British Columbia....."
Will this move prompt Colin to have Will move to London?
~lafn
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (09:32)
#1141
"Premiere"Movie Mag.Long article on press junkets..
"Being in movies these days means that artists have to intermittently stop being artists and go out and be salespeople".
Some hate it and it shows...journalists catch on fast.
Anthony Minghella who is writing "Cold Mountain" has Matt Damon in mind.
Apparently MD is a director's and producers' dream...the guy works his butt off plugging his films.
Some stuff on Working Title which I'll post on #80.
~patas
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (10:44)
#1142
(Karen)"Capitaes De Abril," directed by Maria De Medeiros
Portuguese actress, now turned director, of movie about the Portuguese military coup of 1974.
While it is nice to see someone listed who is not Manoel de Oliveira, I've read reticent reviews.
(Arami)sadly, farms in Africa are a dangerous thing today.
Indeed. Sad to see politicians play upon people's difficulties and endanger other people's lives instead of trying to solve problems adequately.
Happy Passover, Karen!
May I also start posting Easter greetings for the Christians among us? :-)
~KarenR
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (10:53)
#1143
You don't need my permission...let the eggs roll :-)
~lafn
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (12:39)
#1144
Is Maid of Buttermere slated to be a film?
Hate for Colin to get involved in another foreign film project. They are invariably under financed and have a terrible time getting distributed...if at all.IMO.
Before anybody flames me...I have nothing against foreign films...or film directors from other countries..etc. It's the distribution that becomes problematic.And I don't want him in another film that tanks ..or that no one gets to see.
BTW...I am watching the Video rental charts on Teletext....SLOW has never made it among the top ten.Where, Oh where ,are those millions of CF fans who are supposed to be flocking to Blockbusters...inasmuch as they didn't flock to the cinemas.Hmmmm?
~Arami
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (18:53)
#1145
Happy Easter - and whatever other denominations call this seasonal feast.
Whatever each of us is celebrating - praise be.
~mari
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (19:29)
#1146
Interesting article on Stephen Frears, from the Guardian:
Tracks of my Frears
Nick Hornby's London novel about an obsessive music fanatic has become a movie set in Chicago. Stuart Husband gets the lowdown from its director, the very English Stephen Frears, man of many genres.
Friday April 21, 2000
"I think, as time goes on, I'm getting more and more English," Stephen Frears announces, as he contemplates his antipasti in a Notting Hill trattoria, just down the road from his home. "I wouldn't know what to do in Hollywood. This is where I live."
It's just the kind of mission statement you might expect from a director who's turned the filmic spotlight on the complexities of domestic class and culture, whether set among the thrusting Thatcherite immigrant entrepreneurs of 1985's My Beautiful Laundrette - the movie which brought him to international attention - or mavericks clawing and scheming their way out of the working-class ghetto, both in his Joe Orton biopic Prick Up Your Ears, and his adaptations of Roddy Doyle's The Snapper and The Van.
Hang on, though - wasn't this also the man who made one of the definitive American road movies in The Grifters, meticulously anatomised the court machinations of 18th-century France in Dangerous Liaisons, and, most recently, helmed the finest Sam Peckinpah western the man himself never made, complete with cattle drives and dusty rodeos, last year's The Hi-Lo Country?
We should at least be back on familiar terrain with Frears's latest movie, High Fidelity, an adaptation of Nick Hornby's best-selling novel about a manic-depressive, north London second-hand record shop owner who consoles himself through serial break-ups with obsessive Top 5 list-making. Somewhere in development hell, however, John Cusack acquired the rights to the book, assembled his Grosse Pointe Blank writing team, and shifted the location from London to Chicago, with Cusack himself - not the first face that would spring to mind when contemplating the doleful character of Rob - in the leading role.
It turns out to be these two factors that attracted Frears to the project. "I'd read the book," he says, "and though I found it enjoyable, it didn't really chime with me; it's not about my generation. But I liked the idea of John doing it; he's been a friend since we did The Grifters. And while I was as sceptical as anyone about the change of setting, it finally appealed to me, because it made it less parochial; it stops it being about England."
"That's sort of the problem with English films, isn't it?" he asks, warming to his theme. "England is all they're ever about, and if they're not, they're even worse. This country is just not a very interesting subject. It's terribly limited."
It sounds contradictory - an English film director who feels intensely English, who's ambiguous at best when it comes to making films about England because he doesn't find England interesting. But then, Frears himself cuts a rather contrary figure. A youthful-looking 58, his bushy black hair greying above the ears, he resembles a rumpled, trendy don. He is, in fact, a visiting tutor at the National Film School in Beaconsfield, and his soft-spoken manner can change from avuncular bonhomie to icy patrician disdain with quicksilver speed.
For instance, when I venture a remark that 70% of High Fidelity appears to be delivered straight-to-camera by Cusack, he's indignant: "That's stupid, a wild exaggeration. It's nothing like that, you don't know what you're talking about. It's more like 7%."
The next minute, he's asking my opinion on which of the new breed of British film directors has "got it" (for the record, the only one he really rates is Kevin Allen, who made Twin Town and The Big Tease - "he seems a very clever boy").
In some ways, he's the embodiment of the establishment that came of age in the late 60s and early 70s - he abandoned his Cambridge law degree to work as assistant director to Karel Reisz on 1966's Morgan - A Suitable Case For Treatment, and repeatedly refers, luvvie-like, to "Lindsay" (Anderson), "Ridley" (Scott), "Ken" (Loach), "Les" (Blair), or "Mike" (Newell and Leigh). However, he also portrays himself simply as a workaday movie-maker who's generally been lucky with his projects (though he passed on Thelma & Louise), despite the fact Cusack puts him "in the front rank" of directors working today.
"It doesn't feel like that from where I stand," he shrugs. "It's not that there are 15 offers sitting around and people begging me to do them. There's generally one thing that captures my imagination and, like a spoilt child, I'll go off and do it, whether it's set in Dublin or Illinois."
But not, perhaps, Notting Hill. Despite living in the area for 20 years with painter Anne Rothenstein and their three sons and daughter, Frears hasn't seen the film of the same name, "except occasional bits over people's shoulders on planes", and looks blank when I mention the legendary Blue Door.
"I'm not really interested in it," he claims. "That's what I mean about English films - they're generally so cosy. I think what we've done with High Fidelity is kept the spirit of the book but universalised the story. There are differences - the character of Rob probably has more sexual confidence, but that's partly a function of setting it in the States, where they seem less neurotic about that kind of thing, and partly because it wouldn't be too convincing having John being that gauche - but Nick Hornby told me he's very pleased with it."
Given the variety of his output, what exactly constitutes "A Stephen Frears Film"? Some critics have compared him to Howard Hawks; like that Hollywood eminence, Frears is a director who, from his debut with Gumshoe in 1972, has transcended genres and settings by focusing on the human drama at the heart of a story. "Hawks, eh?" says Frears. "Well, I was brought up to film what was in front of me, to concentrate on the people at hand, rather than go on some interior journey or get into elaborate framings or effects. I don't think in terms of high concepts."
Perhaps this explains his facility to coax sterling, often career-best performances from his actors: one thinks of Anjelica Houston's murderous rage in The Grifters or Glenn Close's manic method of make-up removal in Dangerous Liaisons. "I'm interested in those moments where people reveal their true natures," he says. "And I think the actors in my films are very good and I admire them. I find I say less and less to them; I'm doing as little direction as possible these days, because I tend to make things worse.
"Being on a movie set is very intimate; it's like being with your family. It's a sort of organic process; I never quite know what the thing's going to be about before I start but, on a good day, it sorts itself out and you breathe life into it. I'm not terribly analytical - I go entirely from the gut. I make sure I work with good writers like Hanif Kureishi and Alan Bennett, and have them on hand to deal with that stuff. My natural inclination is to protect the actors while we work things out. I become completely paternal," he guffaws.
For Frears, casting is the key element. One of his biggest contributions to High Fidelity, he says, was to keep Jack Black, who plays Cusack's boorish assistant, on board. "Jack's a bolter," says Frears, "and I brought him back twice because I had faith in him. Sometimes you're amazed by the stuff you get. Like Annette Bening, on the first day of The Grifters: she started doing incredible things. If you can photograph that delight, those moments of discovery, you just keep your mouth shut and get on with it."
While Frears has certainly made films in the States, he's at pains to point out that he's never "gone Hollywood". "I don't think I've ever taken a meeting in my life," he demurs. "I've yet to have a film green-lit, as it were." He's "rather disapproving" of young British directors who fashion their movies as Hollywood calling-cards. "I'm a little old-fashioned in that way. My generation was lucky; up until 1988, the idea of a British director going to Hollywood was inconceivable. It just wasn't on offer. And we didn't sit around moaning about it; it just wasn't what people expected or valued. We just got on with it."
In fact, his crab-like progress between modestly-mounted UK and US indies garnered him a reputation as an on-time, on-budget safe pair of hands; it was only when he tackled a pair of studio behemoths, 1992's Accidental Hero, starring Dustin Hoffman as a thief who helps the victims of a plane crash, and 1996's Mary Reilly, with Julia Roberts, that Frears came a cropper.
"I didn't know how you filmed a plane crash," shudders Frears. "And it's not that Dustin was difficult, but having big stars skews the movie; you have to concentrate on this enormous investment. I'm sure I could handle it now, but at the time it knocked me down like a train. In Laundrette and Liaisons, you could see where the money was going, but with Hero we had $42m to deal with, and it was flying all over the place. And I should never have done Mary Reilly. I knew that before I started. It was full of great design and photography, but it should have been a little BBC film."
These experiences brought on what he describes as "five or six very difficult years where I lost my confidence". It wasn't until he began working on The Hi-Lo Country that he got "the old feeling" back. High Fidelity, with its youthful optimism and buoyant soundtrack - could this possibly be a portrait of Frears's current state of mind? "Maybe," he confirms. "People say it's positively jaunty compared to my normal films."
However, about that perennial Aunt Sally, the renaissance of the British film industry, Frears is less sanguine. "Is there a British film industry?" he asks plaintively. "Where is it? There just seem to be a lot of independent producers leading very tough lives. I served my apprenticeship with the BBC, where you were judged by your peers, and it was rather elitist, but it was a benign hierarchy, and tempered by its beneficiaries. Everyone you can name today came out of it: Sam, Danny, Antony [Mendes, Boyle, Minghella], me. It was a real coal face of creativity, and to have ripped the heart out of that is idiotic, but the government seem unable to see that."
British film industry or no, Frears keeps right on working. He's just directed Fail-Safe, a live-broadcast remake of a 60s cold-war nuke-alert movie for CBS TV in the States, starring George Clooney and Richard Dreyfuss ("David [Hare] said, what about your heart, it was absolute madness, terrific though"), and is currently shooting a Jimmy McGovern script about "fascism, unemployment, and Catholicism," for the BBC in Liverpool. He cheerfully admits to knowing nothing about Catholicism; I wonder if he's addicted to leaps in the dark.
"What it is," he says, "is that I've no talent for making a film about my own life. I made a huge mistake with Sammy & Rosie Get Laid; I set it on the Harrow Road, in my backyard, and all my judgment went out the window. I like to make films about really different worlds, whether that might be the Pakistani community, the Irish, the aristocracy, whatever. I need distance."
As we walk back to Frears's house, we pass a washeteria called, inevitably, My Beautiful Laundrette. "They asked me for my permission," he says. "They even asked if I'd open it." And, for all his England-kills-me-I'm-just-a-glorified-techie protestations, there's just the hint of a gratified smile playing about his lips.
� High Fidelity opens on July 21.
~KarenR
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (23:07)
#1147
There are differences - the character of Rob probably has more sexual confidence, but that's partly a function of setting it in the States, where they seem less neurotic about that kind of thing, and partly because it wouldn't be too convincing having John being that gauche
Didn't I say just this (not that it was an American thing, but the rest)? ;-)
~KJArt
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (23:21)
#1148
This speaks for itself. HAPPY EASTER!
You've not heard the last of this! **Heehee** KJ
~KJArt
Thu, Apr 20, 2000 (23:23)
#1149
(Not everything the Easter Bunny leaves are blsck jelly beans! KJ
~LauraMM
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (07:28)
#1150
I don't know if that's funny or gross;) Happy Easter all!
~lafn
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (09:39)
#1151
Why is it that any actor/director who comes to work in the US is considered a traitor by the British press. No other country does this...Italy, Spain..
Sheech!
~CherylB
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (10:00)
#1152
Happy Easter to everyone who celebrates the holiday.
Now I'll bore everyone with trivia. The day on which Easter falls every year is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. That is not the case for Eastern Orthodox Christians, who determine Easter to fall the week after Passover. Most of you probably knew that.
I'm going to visit Mom for Easter; and as she's a bit of a Luddite I'll be computerless, (that's not really a word), for several days. The upside is that I will have lots of posts to read and be hugely entertained when I get back.
Happy Easter and Happy Spring!
~EileenG
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (13:08)
#1153
Let me add my best wishes to all for a happy [insert holiday of your choice here].
Loved the greeting, KJ. Hope you're feeling better.
~KarenR
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (14:15)
#1154
HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!!
~KJArt
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (16:57)
#1155
Advice to the wise...
Don't get too excited celebrating
the delights of this Vernal Season.
One can overdo having a joyous....
Next thing you know you'll be running out of...
duckies, bunnies, and chickies...
Kinda spoils the symbolism don't it?...
Happy Easter/Spring to All anyway! KJ
~KarenR
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (17:24)
#1156
*clap clap clap* What an adorable posting, KJ.
~lafn
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (17:41)
#1157
Thanks KJ...and everybody for the greetings...mo'betta than an Easter basket.
(Less calories too...though I miss those jelly beans..)
~KJArt
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (18:24)
#1158
(Evelyn) ...though I miss those jelly beans..
Not the black ones, I hope! **Heehee** KJ
~Moon
Fri, Apr 21, 2000 (21:48)
#1159
Loved the Easter greetings!
My house is full of giant chocolate eggs which my mother-in-law brought with her from Italy. Yum!
Have a wonderful Easter everyone! God bless you.
~patas
Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (10:00)
#1160
This has been a strange Easter for me... Yesterday I thought my dog, Patas, was dying. He has just been diagnosed as having a heart failure. I had one of the most anguishing days of my life, and don't know how I'd have coped but for my DH's support and that of some friends who are staying with us.
We all took Patas to the vet (for the third time in four days) and he seems to be recovering.
Please have some happy thoughts for us
~SusanMC
Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (10:22)
#1161
Gi, what a terrible thing to have happen! Am keeping you in my thoughts and hoping for a speedy and complete recovery for dear Patas.
Hope your mother-in-law didn't have any trouble getting those Easter eggs through customs, Moon;-) Sounds yummy indeed. Does Italian chocolate taste better than the American variety?
Easter and Passover greetings to all from rain-drenched New England, where there'll be no outdoor egg hunts this year;-(
~amw
Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (13:43)
#1162
Hi Gi, and Hi Patas, glad to hear he is on the way to recovery, try not to worry too much Gi, all the best, Ann
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (14:25)
#1163
Poor Patas and his mommy. Here's hoping for a full and speedy recovery.
~heide
Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (16:54)
#1164
So sorry, Gi. I hope Patas is better now. He'll get only the best care from you, I know. Pets are like children (one of my "kids" is sitting on my lap now) and it's heartbreaking to think of losing one. Let us know how you all are doing.
~KJArt
Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (17:56)
#1165
I know how intense the worry can be, Gi. I pray Patas gets better soon. Love, KJ
~mari
Sat, Apr 22, 2000 (19:18)
#1166
Gi, Patas is adorable. Here's hoping for a full recovery for him. I know he's in good hands.
Keep a happy thought--here's one: I thought of you yesterday as I was channel-surfing and came across "Bounty" with a young Mel G. Oh my oh my oh my! Made me want to turn native!;-)
Hang in there, dear. And a blessed Easter to all who celebrate it.
~Jana2
Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (18:10)
#1167
Gi, pets are such an important part of the family. I hope Patas makes a full recovery. I'll be thinking good thoughts for you, Antonio and Patas.
~MarciaH
Sun, Apr 23, 2000 (22:10)
#1168
Gi, all of my love and support are with you now...Take care of Mommy and be strong as he needs you to be! Here is mine to help his:
~Moon
Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (07:16)
#1169
Gi, sorry to hear about Patas. I hope he is better now, keep us informed.
~SBRobinson
Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (12:07)
#1170
Gi, *hugs* for you and Patas... as well as lots of happy thoughts and prayers for his safe recovery.
~patas
Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (12:11)
#1171
Thank you Susan, Ann, Karen, Heide,KJ, Mari, JanaH, Marcia, Moon, also those who emailed me, for your support. It is very good to feel your warm good wishes.
Patas had been coughing for more than a month, had been treated for a lung infection but hadn't looked any better, and was finally diagnosed last tuesday as having heart failure and medicated accordingly.
However, his condition got suddenly much worse and by friday morning he would not eat, pee or even move, vomited profusely (even water), and I thought I was losing him. He is now better, and although he still refuses to eat and we must feed him forcibly, and his heart has still not stabilized at a reasonable pace, he breathes better, drinks and pees, so I hope he'll stay with me for some time yet.
Thank you all again very much.
~patas
Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (12:12)
#1172
... And thank you too, Esbee, I just read your post.
~Moon
Mon, Apr 24, 2000 (12:14)
#1173
Goodness, Gi! Poor Patas! My thoughts are with you. How old is he?
~KarenR
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (09:14)
#1174
Ran across this website dedicated to Meg Tilly. There are some recent candid shots you should get a look at:
http://www.xmission.com/~waynew/page2.htm
~EileenG
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (09:46)
#1175
*Hee hee!* Did she borrow that gray coat from Colin?
~lafn
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (09:48)
#1176
recent candid shots you should get a look at
Not so recent....maybe two years old.The one with black dress and pearls taken at a premiere was in Movieline.
~mari
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (13:11)
#1177
I love the photo of Meg that he uses right on the front page--very glam. (Too bad the Observer didn't use that one in the recent side by side comparison.;-) But that pink peeling-it-off-the-shoulder number further down the page has got to go! I guess men like that sort of thing . . .go figure.;-) ;-) Poor Wayne has a *much* tougher time than we do with getting info; seems like he tries hard.
~CherylB
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (16:48)
#1178
I had hoped to return to read entertaining and/or amusing posts after my Easter break. Instead, there's appalling news concering Patas. I'm sorry to read about the bad time he's been having. Gi, has he improved any? I hope to hear that his heart rate has stabilized, and that he's eating on his own.
~MarciaH
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (17:02)
#1179
Amen, Cheryl. (It is good to see you posting again!)
~CherylB
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (17:04)
#1180
Hello Marcia! It's good to be back -- now I'm headed on to Geo.
~Moon
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (20:36)
#1181
Thanks for the link, Karen. How could she fall with JC after ODB?
Interesting to note that she was directed by Jack (must I use the last name?), while she was still with Colin. I wonder if they are friends?
I read from her book... (gag, choke, cough).
~lafn
Wed, Apr 26, 2000 (21:11)
#1182
London Times, April 27th, Arts Section
Two good articles:
"Luvies in a cold climate" Re; Anna Karenina
"Days in the sun...Frightful nights:"New Films:
Review of SUNSHINE...surprise, surprise...they like a RF film...
~KarenR
Thu, Apr 27, 2000 (09:15)
#1183
From the BBC for all those who have been following the casting of this Working Title movie:
Bale plays Corelli's Mandolin
American Psycho star Christian Bale is to start work on a movie version of the best-selling novel Captain Corelli's Mandolin, by Louis de Bernieres.
Bale, 26, will play a Greek fisherman in the romantic World War II movie alongside Nicholas Cage and Penelope Cruz.
It is set during the German occupation of the Greek island of Cephallonia. Cruz plays Bale's girlfriend who falls in love with commander Corelli (Cage).
~~~~~~
When you're hot, you're hot.
Also FYI, there's another Ripley story that's going to be made into a movie. From Empire:
Ripley Sequel Helmer Agreed
Liliana Cavani, the Italian director behind The Night Porter who hasn't made a film since 1993, has boarded Fine Line Features' Ripley's Game - an adaptation of Patricia Highsmith's classic novel which follows Tom Ripley 25 years after the events portrayed in The Talented Mr Ripley.
Cavani is supervising a script rewrite and has agreed to direct the movie. Fine Line had originally set the project up two years ago with Mike Newell and Alan Greenspan of Dogstar Films attached as executive producers. Rupert Everett was attached to star as Jonathan, a terminally ill picture-framer, hired by Ripley to carry out some killings.
When Fine Line announced the project at Cannes two years ago, there was speculation that the company would race Miramax Films, itself in pre-production on The Talented Mr Ripley, to theatres. However Fine Line's president Mark Ordesky said that "it's a sequel book and was always envisaged as a sequel film."
"We're looking to put it together as a European co-production since it's set in France and Germany, the director is Italian and all the producers are Italian nationals," said Ordesky.
~~~~~~
A 55+ year old Ripley. Definitely too much of a stretch for Matt. ;-)
~patas
Thu, Apr 27, 2000 (17:57)
#1184
News from Patas to all who have kindly been concerned (Moon and Cheryl, thank you too. He is twelve years old): he is doing better, has been on i-v fluids and is to remain so at least until the weekend, but is now strong enough to resent it. I have been force feeding him but today he has volunteered to eat a little. As he gets better and stronger his willfullness returns and it's harder to treat him...;-)
~SBRobinson
Thu, Apr 27, 2000 (18:17)
#1185
Glad to hear he's doing better Gi. *hugs* for both of you! :-)
~Arami
Thu, Apr 27, 2000 (18:48)
#1186
As he gets better and stronger his willfullness returns and it's
harder to treat him...;-)
Heh-heh... typical male... ;-)
~alyeska
Thu, Apr 27, 2000 (19:40)
#1187
As he gets better and stronger his willfullness returns and its harder to treat him.
Sounds like my kids.
I glad to hear he is improving, Gi.
~lafn
Thu, Apr 27, 2000 (20:53)
#1188
Telegraph has lukewarm review for SUNSHINE but a cute paragraph about Jennifer:
"From the article:"Sunshine raises a whole lot of questions about performance and acting. On this point, Jennifer Ehle is a very rare and lovely performer. She brings a complicated freshness to every scene she is in. In fact this week your soar away Telegraph film page announces a competition: 'The Would Someone Please Write A Good Leading Role for Jennifer Ehle Competition.' There are two prizes - first, you get to feel you've done something important in Western culture, and second, you get sent at least a half dozen leftover Easter eggs. This is serious. Why are there no leading parts for excellent young women?"
~~~~~~
Let's add to that:" The Would Someone Please write a Good Leading Role for CF"
The winner gets a lifetime supply of jelly beans;-)
Don't you think we could endow a Jelly Bean Fund?
~Moon
Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (07:25)
#1189
Thinking back, there is no specific food that CF eats in his movies. Does he like jellybeans? We really do not know much about him. ;-)
Great press for Jennifer, Evelyn!
Gi, some good at least about Patas.
~KarenR
Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (08:13)
#1190
Sounds like Patas is responding and hasn't given up. We know you haven't. Hang in there, Gi.
~CherylB
Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (15:29)
#1191
It's good to hear that Patas's getting a bit fiesty lately. Hope your little fur person is back to being himself again.
I was wondering, Moon, how your son has been doing since his surgery? No doubt, the visit from his grandmother and the chocolate eggs helped.
~Moon
Fri, Apr 28, 2000 (15:45)
#1192
Thanks for asking, Cheryl! My son had a complicated rotary fracture(he was plying hockey), in three different points. In two weeks they remove the cast and if the x-rays are fine he will have to wear a special leg brace until the end of June (just in time to board the plane for Italy!). He is taking it rather well but is very disappointed that he will be wearing that brace at his 8th grade graduation dance(which will be held a very ritzy hotel ballroom). :-(
Grandmother is still here and the chocolate eggs were delicious.
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (00:26)
#1193
Evelyn!! BBC News has an article about Jennifer and mom
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1999/03/99/tom_brook/newsid_729000/729611.stm
~heide
Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (07:49)
#1194
(Moon) Thinking back, there is no specific food that CF eats in his movies.
I've noticed that myself. There are very few times we see CF's character eat. That stalk of celery in Femme Fatale comes to mind. Most times others are eating but it's rare to see a morsel pass between those fine lips.
Gi, I hope Patas remains well for you for some time.
Moon, your son is a trouper. I know few boys who've escaped childhood without broken bones. I hope your other boys remain unscathed so Mom can take it a little easier.
~Moon
Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (11:31)
#1195
Thanks, Heide! There is no such thing as mom taking it a little easier. You should see what my little Indiana Jones (the 8 year old), is capable
of doing. ;-)
~amw
Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (15:30)
#1196
Have just got back from seeing "Sunshine" and although I am not an RF fan, I have to say he is very good in this and boy do you see a lot of him!! No spindly legs this time Karen. JE & Rosemary Harris were very good and not having seen RH on the big screen before I must say I was very impressed, she has a certain class which her daughter has inherited. I also liked James Frain, very cute.
I would certainly recom mend this to anyone who has not seen it and the 3hours just flew by. Aishling was also very impressed, particularly with RF, I think!!
~amw
Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (15:31)
#1197
Karen, my poor little computer will not open the BBC article on RH & JE, would it be too much to ask you to post it here?
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (17:39)
#1198
Here you go, Ann:
Ehle plays the young bride Valerie in Sunshine
Acting across the ages
By BBC News Online entertainment correspondent Tom Brook
British actresses Rosemary Harris and Jennifer Ehle - mother and daughter in real life - are dazzling audiences in separate plays on Broadway - and appearing in the movie epic Sunshine which opens this week.
On Broadway, 30-year-old Ehle is playing the role of Annie in a revival of The Real Thing - Tom Stoppard's celebrated play about love and betrayal.
One critic referred to Ehle as "delectable" and "a rising star", while her 69-year-old mother - who is starring opposite Lauren Bacall in a revival of Noel Coward's Waiting In The Wings - is also receiving lavish praise.
Harris says she was drawn to Sunshine, the epic story of a Hungarian-Jewish family over three generations from director Istvan Szabo, partly "because it was a chance to work with Jennifer".
Mother and daughter portray Valerie, a strong character who weathers the winds of change in Central Europe through two World Wars, the rise of Nazism and Soviet domination.
Ehle plays Valerie when she is a sister and a young wife. Harris takes over and portrays her in her later years.
Strangely, Harris says, she didn't discuss the role with her daughter, but found there was a genetic imprint in their acting.
Harris says: "I was amazed when I saw the similarities we bear and which I wasn't aware of. I think it's in the hand gestures or something."
Sunshine is currently opening around the world, and meeting with a mixed reaction. Some critics think it is overly ponderous, few say it matches director Istvan Szabo's classics like Mephisto and Colonel Redl.
But Rosemary Harris, who made her stage debut more than 50 years ago, says she found there was much she could learn from working with the Hungarian director.
"Each scene I did with him seemed like a master class," she recalls.
While shooting in Budapest, the director would "slowly nudge you with little taps on the nose here and there until he got what he wanted.
"Sometimes he would get it in a first take and sometimes he would go on for ten takes."
In acting terms Sunshine is driven by Ralph Fiennes who plays three different characters: a father, his son and then a grandson in three successive generations of the same family.
Ehle, who appears opposite Fiennes, was very impressed by his approach.
"There is no element of showing off. It would be tempting at some point when you are playing three characters to say, look what I can do".
Being away from home, whether it is working on location in Hungary, or on the Broadway stage is part of the actors' life that both Ehle and Harris have grown to accept.
The characters in Sunshine are constantly being torn away from home and for Ehle - who admits to feeling "rootless" - it was an aspect of the film she could identify with.
"I had quite a rootless upbringing, so that was something just very personally that probably pushed a few buttons".
Harris explains further: "Jennifer was practically born in a trunk and moved around all over wherever I got work.
"I would put her in my pocket and we would go, the three of us, her father and me, we'd just trot off and throw her into another school and hope she would survive."
Despite their transient existence mother and daughter definitely seem to have flourished.
Their performances on the New York stage have made them must-see attractions of the current theatre season and both actresses could find temselves in the running for Broadway's top prize, a Tony Award, when the nominations are announced on 8 May.
~KarenR
Sat, Apr 29, 2000 (17:41)
#1199
(AnnW) No spindly legs this time
Think he is working out? ;-)
(JE) "I had quite a rootless upbringing..."
No wonder! They were two of a kind. Not at all suited. He needed someone with substantial roots.
~amw
Sun, Apr 30, 2000 (12:19)
#1200
Thanks very much Karen, for posting the article.
~KarenR
Mon, May 1, 2000 (09:16)
#1201
Alan Parker takes British film's hot seat
By Merissa Marr
LONDON (Reuters) - Filmmaker Alan Parker, who fled for Hollywood 15 years ago in disgust at the state of the British film industry, on Tuesday unveils his plan to revive it.
The abrasive director behind "The Commitments" and "Midnight Express" once lambasted Britain's movie business for what he called an obsession with pretentious art films.
On Tuesday he will announce his strategy for injecting some commercial fizz at the helm of the Film Council, a new super agency loaded with the bulk of the government's film funding.
"One thing about Alan is he will not be complacent," said Bertrand Mouiller, head of film at the Producers' Alliance for Cinema and Television (PACT). "He will challenge the system and the lack of ambition which has characterised British film."
"We make too many films in Britain," Parker said earlier this year. "We are entrusting millions of pounds to people who have never (directed) before."
Parker, 56, who left Britain to make a string of commercially successful films including "Fame" and "Angel Heart", will have more than 150 million pounds to spend over the next three years.
"We have all this success at the Oscars with claims that 'the British are coming!' but then we're disappointed," said a specialist who raises funding for films. "Hopefully Parker will give some credibility to the British film industry."
Britain boasts world-beating talent -- as the multiple Oscars for director Sam Mendes' film "American Beauty" or one-off wonders such as "Four Weddings and a Funeral" and "Trainspotting" prove.
LOADS OF MONEY BUT SHABBY SCRIPTS
Film executives say the problem is no longer too little money but too much ill-directed finance.
After years of under-funding, the film industry is suddenly awash with millions of pounds from lottery money and tax breaks.
But while Hollywood films regularly make a profit of 50 million pounds, just 10 of the 70 British films released in 1999 took more than two million.
"The structure of the UK sector puts enormous pressure on producers just to get a film shooting and so many projects go before the camera without being properly developed," said BBC Worldwide director Mike Phillips.
The real issue is "shabby" scripts, according to Parker.
"To be able to develop a screenplay is an art which the Americans are so good at and we're not," said Parker, who wrote seven drafts of the script of his latest film "Angela's Ashes".
"The industry here is flimsy and the only way producers can pay their mortgage is by getting the movie made."
Parker, who started his career in advertising, must use his commercial nose to put more emphasis on the less glamorous areas of distribution and marketing, experts say.
A Hollywood studio will often spend as much energy on a film's merchandising as on its plot. But in Britain production, distribution and exhibition have become fatally separate.
The British government has championed the creation of mini-studios with three new film franchises. But the past failure of both Goldcrest and Palace Pictures suggests it is not that easy. Both were finished off by one disastrous film.
"Better it be Alan than a bureaucrat in charge," said Alan McQueen, acquisitions director at distributors Downtown Pictures. "I would rather there be someone who makes films in there than a politician."
~mari
Mon, May 1, 2000 (14:46)
#1202
Can't say I blame him for losing it. Must be frustrating.
Patrick Stewart Denounces Producers
NEW YORK (AP) -- Patrick Stewart shocked Broadway audiences during curtain calls of ''The Ride Down Mt. Morgan'' when he angrily accused producers of the Arthur Miller drama of failing to promote it.
''Arthur Miller and I no longer have confidence in our producers' commitment to this production, especially the Shubert Organization, or their willingness to promote and publicize it,'' Stewart, still in costume, proclaimed Saturday at his matinee and evening performances. ''Arthur and I feel frustrated and helpless.''
The complaint was endorsed by Miller during a New York Times interview.
''Clearly the play has dropped through the memory hole,'' Miller said. ''I haven't talked to management, but Patrick has, since he's there for every performance. Promises have been made repeatedly that were never kept.''
Shubert President Philip Smith issued a statement disputing Stewart's claims but did not detail promotional efforts.
''The producers' commitment to 'The Ride Down Mt. Morgan' could not be stronger,'' Smith said.
The show's chief publicist, Michael Hartman, said more money had been spent on advertising for the play than was spent on two comparable plays last season, ''The Blue Room,'' which starred Nicole Kidman, and ''Amy's View,'' which featured Dame Judi Dench.
More publicity would be forthcoming, Hartman said.
Audiences applauded Stewart's accusations Saturday, prompting him to say he would restate them at the Sunday matinee. But he did not, and it was unclear whether Stewart and the producers had reached a compromise. Shubert representatives did not immediately return a phone call today seeking comment.
''Mt. Morgan'' is the story of a bigamist whose efforts to keep his two families unaware of each other fail when he's injured in a car crash and both wives visit him in the hospital. It was produced in London in 1991 and opened at Broadway's Ambassador Theater on April 9 for a run scheduled to end July 23.
The show has enjoyed positive reviews and has done well at the box office, according to the show business journal Variety.
Stewart, 59, is known for his role in television's ''Star Trek: The Next Generation.''
~CherylB
Mon, May 1, 2000 (19:17)
#1203
"American Beauty" is an American film. A mainstream Hollywood film, in fact. Sam Mendes may be English, but the funding, screenwriter, and actors were American. So I can't really understand the claims in some British published articles that the film is one of theirs. A movie's country of origin is determined by who puts up the money; Dreamworks is American company, hence, AB is an American film.
~Allison2
Tue, May 2, 2000 (03:02)
#1204
Cheryl, I agree! American Beauty is definitely American (thoughI think they have changed or are planning to change how the nationality of a film is determined). But you must have realised by now that we have the most irresponsible and slipshod press. Never believe anything in the British press. I have never read an article with which I have had some knowledge which has been 100% accurate. Alongside that, there are two strong traits 1) Over hyping any achievemants which have any British connection 2) knocking success at ever opportunity - how they manage to balance those two is one of our newspapers' only talents.
~luvvy
Tue, May 2, 2000 (12:21)
#1205
Excuse me, but the writer did not claim in the article posted that "American Beauty" was a British film. The writer said:
"Britain boasts world-beating talent -- as the multiple Oscars for director Sam Mendes' film "American Beauty" or one-off wonders such as "Four Weddings and a Funeral" and "Trainspotting" prove."
Sam Mendes, Richard Curtis, and Danny Boyle are all British directors, i.e. talent.
~KarenR
Tue, May 2, 2000 (16:59)
#1206
Yoo hoo, Gi... How fast can you get here? Mel will be here tomorrow shooting about a block away. They are decorating the street now, planting and trimming, etc.
~patas
Wed, May 3, 2000 (02:39)
#1207
Oh Karen...Do you think you can at least take a picture? How I wish III could be there! What movie will that be?
Beam me up, Scottie!
~KarenR
Wed, May 3, 2000 (07:43)
#1208
Movie is called "What Women Want" and it also stars Helen Hunt. According to some stuff I read, it's a romantic comedy about a male chauvinist (Gibson) who after a freak accident gains the ability to read women's thoughts. Supposed to be out at Christmas time.
Will see what I can do about pictures. Just took some film out of the camera!
~lafn
Wed, May 3, 2000 (10:44)
#1209
"Movieline " says:
WHAT WOMEN WANT:
Film centers on a womanizing executive who gets passed over for a promotion whne his company brings in Helen Hunt for the job he wanted. The firm's plan to deal with a stronger female demographic soon has Mel doing homework with products like panty hose and blow dryers, which leads to an accident in the bathroom that literally knocks him out. When he comes to,he has the new extrasensory capacity to hear women's thoughts.Mel is likely to be very good especially in the scenes where his character, now privy to women's real responses, learns that his macho posturing is not nearly as charming to them as he'd always thought....
Bette Midler plays the shrink Gibson goes to for help, and somehow, just the idea of Gibson and Midler in the same frame makes it all seem like it could be mind-boggling fun"
~patas
Wed, May 3, 2000 (11:48)
#1210
(Evelyn)it could be mind-boggling fun
Yes it could... It could also be fun if they needed an extra and our Karen happened to be passing by... ;-)
~KarenR
Wed, May 3, 2000 (12:49)
#1211
Yeah, right! Drove by a little earlier and they are just bustling around, still setting up. Will check back later. They filmed another movie a few years back on that same street (a gangster movie, complete with old cars parked all around). I'm pretty sure I pointed it out to Tineke when we walked past because of the landmark status and unique architectural detail: the guy who built the rowhouses put his children's names above each doorway.
Sorry no pic:
http://destinations.previewtravel.com/DestGuides/0,1208,WEB_25_1_6_6451,00.html
~Moon
Wed, May 3, 2000 (14:37)
#1212
Sounds like a fun film, perfect for ol blue eyes. (now that the original is gone, permit me the liberty)
Karen, go and ask to be an extra. You never know when you might end up with a SAG card. ;-)
~KarenR
Wed, May 3, 2000 (17:03)
#1213
No extras even used in this scene. A cab dropped him off. He ran up the stairs (not as well as somebody else we know), knocked on the door, said some stuff, was let in and door slammed. That took hours to do.
Got some pictures. The publicist came up to me and asked if I was in the press because I had the long lens (as we weren't allowed on their side of the street). Hopefully, one or two will come out. Mel didn't come over while I was around. Now they are off for some scenes by the beach and then later off to North & Damen in Bucktown (site of High Fidelity). 'nuff for me. ;-D
~CherylB
Wed, May 3, 2000 (17:44)
#1214
(Allison M) ...though I think they have changed or are planning to change how the nationality of a film is determined...
That's a big bone of contention every year at the Oscars concerning the category for Best Foreign Language Film. It is a very big consideration insofar as European films are concerned; many of them currently are co-productions between countries; i.e.; French-Danish, Czech-German, and the like. Certain films have been found ineligible because of this. They are always threatening to change this by-law, and it would great if they did.
Still, as far as the business world is concerned, a movie's country of origin will be determined by from where the money came.
(Chris L) Excuse me, but the writer did not claim in the article posted that "American Beauty" was a British film. The writer said:
"Britain boasts world-beating talent -- as the multiple Oscars for director Sam Mendes' film "American Beauty" or one-off wonders such as "Four Weddings and a Funeral" and "Trainspotting" prove."
Sam Mendes, Richard Curtis, and Danny Boyle are all British directors, i.e. talent.
Duly noted, and you are right -- to a point...
Danny Boyle, does he prefer to be refered to as "British" director or a "Scottish" director?
The comment was not made with this article not being the only one in mind. I have read others where the inference to AB being an English film was more pronounced. That my be due to bad editing or bad reportage. There is another option, that being that the writer(s) subscribe to the "auteur" theory of film making. The director being the most important to "the vision" and intent of a movie. It's an oringinally French view on the art of film making, largely popularized in the 1950's/1960's by the influential film critic and director Francois Truffaut, among others. There has been reaction in French film criticism in recent years against such thinking.
Anyway, British talent is nothing new, nor exceptional by its presence in film making. It has been there all along. British talent has been working in movies and winning film awards for decades. The world of cinema is richer for it. And "American Beauty" is still an American film.
~patas
Thu, May 4, 2000 (02:24)
#1215
Karen, thanks for the report on WWW... I can see it in my imagination, while I wait for your pics ;-)
~luvvy
Thu, May 4, 2000 (11:15)
#1216
Danny Boyle, does he prefer to be refered to as "British" director or a "Scottish" director? Dunno. He's never expressed a preference to me, although I wouldn't dream of calling him "English".
~KarenR
Thu, May 4, 2000 (15:23)
#1217
From The Scotsman:
Their lips meet, and we still go weak
William Peakin says the on-screen kiss is as highly charged as ever
WHEN Ralph Fiennes melted the heart of Kristin Scott Thomas in The English Patient with the words "Swoon. I�ll catch you," for his leading lady, this was just the hors-d�oeuvre to the tastiest bit � their on-screen kiss.
Fiennes is simply the best, Scott Thomas revealed this week. Better than Sean Penn, with whom she stars in Up At the Villa. Better even than her Random Hearts mate Harrison Ford. And would you believe, better than Robert Redford? He may have whispered well, but when it came to puckering-up, the screen idol of many a female generation was "the worst of all".
Who would have thought that more than a century after John C Rice locked onto May Rice in The Kiss � prompting a Chicago newspaper to declare that "the sight of their prolonged pasturing on each other�s lips was hard to bear and calls for police interference" � that such a well-worn moment in cinema can remain so highly charged.
Indeed, a few years ago the screen kiss had all but dried up. Hollywood scriptwriters were churning out plots in which the stars got straight down to sex with barely a peck first, or which skipped romance altogether. Spacecraft, tornadoes, volcanoes; that is what audiences wanted. Even in romantic comedies like When Harry Met Sally, lips rarely met.
There was a time when people went to the movies to perfect their technique, lingering on the suave carnality of Cary Grant and Ingrid Bergman in Notorious before banging noses, bruising lips and chipping teeth with their lovers in the back row. Those making the mistake of looking to Humphrey Bogart as a role model ended up with what one critic described as "the quivering nibble of a horse closing in on an apple". He may have taught a generation how to smoke and narrow their gaze through a tobacco haze, but he could not kiss.
However, a Bogart kissing scene did provide one of the more memorable moments of screen foreplay; in To Have and Have Not, instead of melting into each other�s arms,Bogart and Lauren Bacall raised the heat with some whispered not-so-sweet-somethings as they kissed.
"What did you do that for?" asks Bogart. "I was wondering if I�d like it," replies Bacall. He waits: "What�s the decision?" "I don't know yet.'"
They kiss again. "It�s even better when you help," she says.
The power of the celluloid kiss was that the consummation was left to occur in the audience�simagination. Would it have been the same if the camera had followed Rhett Butler carrying Scarlett up the stairs and into the bedroom to record what happened next?
Of course, directors were not just being subtle for art�s sake, they were also working within the moralstrictures of the time.
In 1932, the former US postmaster general Will Hays created the Motion Picture Production Code which kept couples in separate beds, forbade any depiction of sexual pleasure, censored mention of abortion, breast-feeding and childbirth ... and set the permitted length of a screen kiss to 1.5 seconds (although, somehow the longest screen kiss � three minutes and five seconds between Regis Toomey and Jane Wyman in 1940�s You�re in the Army Now � escaped).
The code controlled Hollywood for more than three decades but after the sexual revolution of the 1960s just about anything went. The French kiss became so common in films no-one thought about it much until 15 years ago when it was revealed that Rock Hudson had given Linda Evans a passionate kiss during an episode of Dynasty when he knew he had Aids.
The Screen Actors� Guild sent a letter to 7,000 producers and agents informing them that in future they had to notify actors in advance of any scenes that required open-mouthed kissing. Anxiety about other stars� private lives took some of the romance out of the screen kiss.
"I try to kiss normally. But there are times when the other person isn�t comfortable or you aren�t, so you fake it," says Johnny Depp, star of Sleepy Hollow. "Maybe we should always do that; it�s not wise to run around kissing people. It�s not hygienically sound."
~~~~~~~`
Makes me want to watch some old movies. ;-)
~patas
Fri, May 5, 2000 (02:36)
#1218
It�s not hygienically sound.
Reminds me of a Burt Bacharach song:
"What do you get when you kiss a guy?
You get enough germs to catch pneumonia."
Doesn't put anyone off kissing, though, does it?
~SusanMC
Fri, May 5, 2000 (09:30)
#1219
Fiennes is simply the best, Scott Thomas revealed this week.
Hmmm... looks like Rafe isn't such a cold fish after all. Ladies who have seen Sunshine, how were his love scenes with JE?
~amw
Fri, May 5, 2000 (09:38)
#1220
The ones with JE were okay, but the one with Debra Unger-something? were very embarassing and quite unnecessaary I thought.
~KarenR
Fri, May 5, 2000 (09:38)
#1221
Was wondering when anyone would pick up on that? ;-)
Am guessing that Geoffrey in a Santa suit couldn't possibly generate the same appeal.
~lafn
Fri, May 5, 2000 (10:21)
#1222
Ladies who have seen Sunshine, how were his love scenes with JE?
"Steamy"is the consensus.
And I doubt if we'll get to see the one with Debra Kara Unger;-)
We also didn't get to see all of the scenes with Julianne Moore in "End of the Affair" ...courtesy of the same censor.
~mari
Fri, May 5, 2000 (10:43)
#1223
Actually, we did see all in End Of The Affair. Wooley appealed the original MPAA ruling and won. Nothing was cut.
~amw
Fri, May 5, 2000 (10:50)
#1224
I think the film can only be improved by cutting the DKU scene, in a way it was laughable or else he is an exception human being!!
~mari
Fri, May 5, 2000 (11:28)
#1225
From The Guardian:
Oscar winner Mendes to direct unknown's play
Fiachra Gibbons Arts correspondent
Friday May 5, 2000
Sam Mendes shocked the world of theatre last night by revealing that the first play he is to direct since winning an Oscar will be by an unknown author.
After his American Beauty triumph, the British director took Hollywood by surprise by saying that he was dying to return to the Donmar Warehouse, a small London theatre he had put on the map with his Tony Award-winning production of Cabaret and of The Blue Room starring Nicole Kidman.
Now Mendes has ditched his plans to direct Twelfth Night in favour of a drama called To The Green Fields Beyond, which is set in a tank on the western front during the first world war, and written by the relatively obscure Nick Whitby.
"Shakespeare can wait," Mendes said last night.
"You have to take advantage of a good and exciting new play like this. It is not every day they land on your desk. One of the benefits of running a theatre is that you can change the programme when you need to."
A spokeswoman for the Donmar said Twelfth Night would be staged next year instead, although casting had actually begun before the change of plan.
"Sam read To The Green Fields Beyond and went 'Wow!' said the spokeswoman.
"He really loved it, so he thought 'what the hell!' It is a fascinating piece, and it's a very unusual subject."
The play revolves around a multiracial crew of a tank during the Somme offensive in September 1916. The generals hoped that the new weapon would turn around the war, stuck in a battle of attrition, by being able to break through the German lines.
But most of the tanks broke down with mechanical failures on their first outing at the Somme, long before they got in sight of German trenches, and failed to break the stalemate.
In contrast to army tradition, the new tank corps recruited from all corners of the British empire, and moreover its tank commanders were "ordinary blokes" rather than officers.
Whitby, in his early thirties, has written comedy for TV but is best known for a play, Dirty Dishes, that has been a hit in Germany.
Mendes, 34, said last month that he was happy to direct one play a year until the right film script came along: "There are not as many of them out there as you think."
He has formed his own film company, called Donmar, backed by the DreamWorks studio, and even persuaded its boss, Steven Spielberg, to donate money to the theatre.
The head of Miramax, Harvey Weinstein, is also keen to secure Mendes' services, and is investing in the Donmar production of Tom Stoppard's The Real Thing on Broadway.
~fitzwd
Fri, May 5, 2000 (13:25)
#1226
Cineoke (as in karaoke) in London... I found this snippet in an article, and cracked up laughing...
Just as plays are becoming films, so films are rapidly becoming plays: I don't mean film-to-stage translations like the already mentioned The Graduate or the imminent musicalization of The Witches of Eastwick: I mean films that are becoming participatory events. The hit of last year's Film Festival was Sing-along Sound of Music, a screening of the classic film musical with subtitles of the lyrics so the audience could join in. That has long since transferred to an extended run in a West End cinema, the charmingly scruffy Prince Charles off Leicester Square, where audiences don't just sing but also dress up as nuns and other characters from the film. This year, the Festival's response to that success was an event called Cineoke, in which extracts from a whole bunch of movie musicals were shown for the audience to continue the karaoke experience with. Camp highlights included the inevitable �YMCA� (from Can't Stop the Music), the title songs to Fame and Xanadu, �Don't Cry for Me, Argentina� from Evita and �Do
't Rain on My Parade,� from Funny Girl.
~CherylB
Sat, May 6, 2000 (09:55)
#1227
"Shakespeare can wait," Mendes said...
He's right Shakespeare will always be there.
~KarenR
Mon, May 8, 2000 (08:18)
#1228
This she missed a cultural icon!!
The world's largest photograph has been unveiled at a London department store by pop star Elton John.
The photo, which is 900ft long and 60 ft high, stretches around Selfridges in Oxford Street and features a huge picture of the star over the store's main entrance.
The frieze is the brainchild of Turner-shortlisted artist Sam Taylor-Wood, who also attended the unveiling.
She said she wanted to create a modern day version of the Elgin Marble frieze, using images of famous cultural icons instead of Greek gods.
The pop superstar said his inclusion was very appropriate as he was the "god of shopping".
Other stars who feature in it include actors Leonardo Di Caprio, Ray Winstone, Timothy Spall, Richard E Grant, Adrian Dunbar and actress Jane Horrocks.
~KarenR
Mon, May 8, 2000 (09:03)
#1229
Another omission:
Knight to take on tramp role
Sir Michael Gambon will return to the West End in the autumn to play Davies, the tramp, in Harold Pinter's classic play The Caretaker.
The role was created by the late Donald Pleasance in 1960, then revived by him in 1991 [with Colin Firth] shortly before he died.
Directing is actor-playwright Patrick Marber, recently seen in Speed-the-Plow at the Donmar Warehouse, and the producer is Robert Fox, brother of actors James and Edward.
~EileenG
Mon, May 8, 2000 (15:10)
#1230
WOOOHOOOO! I just read over at the MSN site about TRT's 5 Tony noms!
Here's the scoop:
�The Real Thing� has five nominations, including Revival of a Play and Best Performances by a Leading Actor (Stephen Dillane) and Actress (Jennifer Ehle) in a Play. (The original Broadway production had seven nominations in 1984.)
What great news for all JE (and SD) fans! Congrats all around!!
~lafn
Mon, May 8, 2000 (16:26)
#1231
I bet there's a big block part on Earlham Street. Sent them an email.
Will call later in the week.
~LauraMM
Mon, May 8, 2000 (21:01)
#1232
OH MY GOD!!! Tim Dutton was on Ally McBeal, and WOW, does he look GREAT!!!! And he said RED SOX!!!! Woo Hoo!!!
Evelyn, I know you didn't think much of him in "Melissa", but WOW!!! I mean WOW!!! (Just get him away from Ally!)
~KarenR
Mon, May 8, 2000 (23:40)
#1233
Sorry, wasn't impressed. He had that floppy hair and looked a bit dorky. I know one, maybe two actors, who would've been better. ;-)
~patas
Tue, May 9, 2000 (04:03)
#1234
Five Tonys! Bravo. And now go read Karen's post on #131, Evelyn ;-)
~LauraMM
Tue, May 9, 2000 (07:09)
#1235
Oh, Karen, I've always been a fan of Tim Dutton. I first saw him in a Mystery series on PBS a few years back. Then Evelyn sent me "Melissa" and I was hooked. He's floppy, but in a cute way!!!
Did love the Internet love interest tho, that was hysterical. (especially everytime she talked about sex and the microphone would get louder and make weird noises;))
~KarenR
Tue, May 9, 2000 (07:53)
#1236
Missed the first 20 minutes and didn't see that; will catch during reruns maybe.
~KarenR
Tue, May 9, 2000 (08:32)
#1237
Tom Cruise with a southern accent doing Brick? No way. Who are they going to cast for Big Daddy? Timothy Spall? ;-)
Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman are reportedly considering a visit to England to co-star on the London stage. According to the Daily Express, the husband-and-wife team have their sights set on a production of Tennessee Williams's fevered Deep South familial drama Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, which will be directed by Sam Mendes, winner of the Best Director Oscar for his film debut American Beauty. Cruise and Kidman have acted together on screen with mixed results in films like Days of Thunder, Far and Away and Stanley Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, though they have never taken to the stage together. Cruise has little stage pedigree, though Kidman won rave reviews for her appearance in the Donmar Warehouse's production of The Blue Room back in 1998 - a performance dubbed by one panting critic as "pure theatrical Viagra".
~KarenR
Tue, May 9, 2000 (09:13)
#1238
Very interesting chart at THR (that is, if I'm interpreting it correctly) about the cost to buy film rights around the world. Here's the link:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/cannes/cannes2k/going.asp
What that chart shows is that, for example, an Australian distributor would have to pay $300,000-$600,000 (US) for a film whose budget was $6 million-$12 million (US) like BJD.
What's the deal with Portugal? Rights go for dirt cheap.
~lafn
Tue, May 9, 2000 (09:30)
#1239
(Laura)Evelyn, I know you didn't think much of him in "Melissa"
Wrong. I liked him in Melissa...third in line of JE's best leading men
(CF & SD ahead). It was the production and story that I didn't like.
He was even in a short-lived TV sit-com recently about pilgrims...he's v. handsome.
~~~~~~
Tom Cruise playing Brick? ROTFLMAO.I want Colin for that role...with Jennifer doing Blanche. Sizzzzzle.
RH did it at Lincoln Center years ago...got a Tony for it.
~LauraMM
Tue, May 9, 2000 (09:34)
#1240
What HASN'T RH won a Tony for:)
~patas
Tue, May 9, 2000 (11:13)
#1241
(Karen)What's the deal with Portugal?
We have no money. Try and compare salaries in Portugal and other countries and you'll see what I mean.
~KarenR
Tue, May 9, 2000 (12:07)
#1242
Still the case, huh? Sorry to hear. :-(
~mari
Thu, May 11, 2000 (06:54)
#1243
I sure wish Ralph would take some time off.;-) From Teletext:
Paltrow and Fiennes possessed?
Gwyneth Paltrow and Ralph Fiennes are being courted to star in a movie version of AS Byatt novel Possession.
Byatt's Booker-prizewinner is the story of two rival academics who discover the secret affairs of the poets they are studying.
Neil LaBute, better known for harsh modern satires like In The Company Of Men, is writing the screenplay and may direct this very British project for Warner Bros.
~LauraMM
Thu, May 11, 2000 (07:18)
#1244
OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ralph Fiennes CANNOT play Roland!!!!
Gwyneth as Maud?????
However, I can picture Jeanne Tripplehorn has Val.
Or would Ralph Fiennes play Ash? And Gwyneth Cristabel??? Ugh!!!
How can they do this??? MY ALL TIME FAVORITE CONTEMPORARY NOVEL AND THEY'LL RUIN IT!!!!
Neil LaBute? I HATED In the Company of Men!!!! UGH!
Can you tell I don't like this???
~KarenR
Thu, May 11, 2000 (07:58)
#1245
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Major dittoing. But I think it would be Fiennes playing Ash and Gwynnie playing Maud (Christabel was a little petite thing a la Holly Hunter in The Piano). I always wanted Colin to play Roland.
And I won't even address the piggy director who is also ruining adaptation.
My favorite book. Get me a knife. :-(
~KarenR
Thu, May 11, 2000 (08:37)
#1246
You know, Gwynnie's a little young to be playing Maud. Somehow picturing her as professor doesn't jive. Have hard time picturing her as even graduating college.
Am still shaken about the Fiennes potential and how he'll ruin the central love story, especially when it's consumated. Yeah, he'll do fine as the cold fish Victorian poet and the spurned lover.
~Moon
Thu, May 11, 2000 (09:17)
#1247
It is too good a project to pass on. I bet they will both do it. Too bad for Colin, he would have been PERFECT!
New mantra: I hate Colin's agent...
~LauraMM
Thu, May 11, 2000 (09:46)
#1248
I don't know how they could possibly make "Possession" into a movie without destroying it? I mean look at the English Patient. They focused on the wrong love story! This is a complex book with complex themes. Something in the translation will get destroyed, I think they should leave it alone.
Arundhati Ray author of the Booker winning "The God of Small Things" (fascinating book for those of you haven't read it), refuses to have her book made into a movie, and she's a director!
Only one other of AS Byatt's novels (novella, actually) went big screen "Angels & Insects" granted it was a decent adaptation that was a story that could translate well to the screen. I'm not happy. I am SO not happy.
(Now if they were to make Virgin in the Garden, Still Life and Babel Tower into a movie Colin Firth would HAVE to play Alexander!!!! right Karen???)
~KarenR
Thu, May 11, 2000 (09:52)
#1249
Colin Firth would HAVE to play Alexander!!!! right Karen???)
All depends what happens in the fourth book? ;-) But, I wouldn't complain.
I always thought Byatt never sold or optioned Possession and was pretty happy about it, as it cannot be done, especially by someone as untalented as the misogynistic writer/director *mumble mumble* Could they possibly have found anybody worse?
~LauraMM
Thu, May 11, 2000 (10:11)
#1250
All depends what happens in the fourth book? ;-) But, I wouldn't complain.
If and when it ever comes out!
The Game would make an interesting movie;)
Yes, misogynistic! He calls himself a writer/director! NO!!!
Not for nothing, but I think I'd rather have Anthony Minghella do the screenplay if that was the case!
Wonder who could possibly do Frederica or even Daniel for that bit. (Mark Addy?) He's a lovable sorta guy, which is what Daniel is lovable.
As I think of it, when I picture Roland in my head, I see John Cusack:)
~lafn
Thu, May 11, 2000 (11:19)
#1251
I sure wish Ralph would take some time off.;-)
He's 'Johnny on the spot' for good every role that comes along.
New mantra: I hate Colin's agent...
I do too. But ...it isn't like Colin is unknown among directors in the UK.This might be true in Hollywood, but that's his turf.
Wadsamadda here?
~KarenR
Thu, May 11, 2000 (11:38)
#1252
(Evelyn) But ...it isn't like Colin is unknown among directors in the UK.This might be true in Hollywood, but that's his turf. Wadsamadda here?
Warner Bros, jerkhouse writer/director...American production. That's wadsamadda! :-(
Daniel Day Lewis was always Randolph Ash in my mind. For some reason, he has the right gaunt appearance and would look good with a beard (as I picture him).
Cusack? Bite your tongue!!
Daniel, I always saw as stocky, hairy Alan Bates type. ;-)
~Allison2
Thu, May 11, 2000 (11:52)
#1253
Wadsamadda here?
Bankability, that's the madda.
~LauraMM
Thu, May 11, 2000 (12:08)
#1254
Alan Bates is too old! :)
Oh Karen, keep forgetting, rented Tumbleweeds. REBECCA LOVED IT!!! she now wants me to pack up and head out west and meet up with different men along the way;)
Janet McTeer was incredible! Kimberly J. Brown was brilliant as well.
~mari
Thu, May 11, 2000 (13:03)
#1255
It's the cost associated with keeping a low profile and not striking while the iron is hot (like after P&P). Rafe has had good breaks, but he also works his butt off, isn't afraid to fail, promotes his stuff, and takes on only substantial, challenging work. Think he'd be caught in something like SLOW? I assume there's also a cost associated with taking what amounts to a five-month vacation each year; sorry, but most kids see their dads go off to work each day.;-)
~mari
Thu, May 11, 2000 (13:07)
#1256
I meant to add that, on a personal level, I have great sympathy for how he manages his life. But we shouldn't be surprised or upset when the plumb parts go to others as a result.
~mari
Thu, May 11, 2000 (13:07)
#1257
plum;-)
~KarenR
Thu, May 11, 2000 (13:15)
#1258
(Laura) Alan Bates is too old! :)
I said "hairy Alan Bates type" NOT Alan Bates himself.
(Mari) the plumb parts go to others
he did get the carpenter's role in SLOW ;-)
~patas
Thu, May 11, 2000 (13:21)
#1259
Okay okay, now I must read that book too! ;-)
~lafn
Thu, May 11, 2000 (13:49)
#1260
...Think he'd be caught in something like SLOW?
Or (godferbid)a cameo role...and how's about the forthcoming "Londinium".
Max directing it would be bad enough, but directing and starring in it...uh, uh.
RF did do The Avengers which he admits was a terrible mistake. And one he will not repeat.Of course, acting is his life.
You are right, Allison, he is bankable, but he works so hard at it...even after he's finished filming it. Producers must love him.
~Allison2
Thu, May 11, 2000 (14:08)
#1261
You are right, Allison, he is bankable, but he works so hard at it..
I do have huge sympathy with CF as a person. He has his parallels amongst so many people we must know. Who do not give over their lives to the self promotion which seems to be a necessary part of so many occupations these days. I am sure part of him must want to do it but you only have to see him bantering with M McD at the MLSF premier and to hear how self conscious he feels when visited by HF on the FP set to realise that he just finds that self promotion very difficult. For those who have not seen the premier clip, CF comes across as awkward and slightly embarrassed IMHO. Do you agree, Arami?
~Allison2
Thu, May 11, 2000 (14:08)
#1262
Karen. Maybe that should all be on #129.
~mari
Thu, May 11, 2000 (14:12)
#1263
(Karen) he did get the carpenter's role in SLOW ;-)
*Snicker* Need plum parts, not plumb lines.;-)
(Evelyn) Or (godferbid)a cameo role...and how's about the forthcoming "Londinium".
Yeah . . . As I think I wrote before, I can't imagine that Mike Binder will suddenly be confused with Fassbinder.;-)
RE: Avengers. Certainly a poor choice, but at least he didn't commit career suicide afterwards by going and hiding just because he had a flop. Nope, he got right back in there, and now all is forgotten (and rightfully so). Solid, mature, smart. I admire him and how he handles his career.
~Allison2
Thu, May 11, 2000 (14:28)
#1264
Sorry to be talking again about CF on this topic but looking at what he chose to do in 1999, I definitely get the impression that he was filling in. While they were fiddling around with BJD, he presumably wished to keep himself free in case it was greenlighted. So he might have taken L and RV at the last minute as fill ins.
~LauraMM
Thu, May 11, 2000 (14:56)
#1265
Gi, YOU MUST READ THE BOOK!!!
I absolutely adore AS Byatt. It's wonderful.
~Moon
Thu, May 11, 2000 (15:26)
#1266
(Mari), the plumb parts go to others
(karen), he did get the carpenter's role in SLOW ;-)
(Mari), I can't imagine that Mike Binder will suddenly be confused with Fassbinder.;-)
LOL! You girls are bang on!
(Mari), Think he'd be caught in something like SLOW? I assume there's also a cost associated with taking what amounts to a five-month vacation each year; sorry, but most kids see their dads go off to work each day.;-)
Wow, Mari! Ouch! Of course, we all agree.
I looked forward to the Avengers, (loved the clothing), RF makes a v. fine gentleman. Unfortunately, the movie tanked.
~CherylB
Thu, May 11, 2000 (15:50)
#1267
(Evelyn)...it isn't like Colin is unknown among directors in the UK.This might be true in Hollywood, but that's his turf. Wadsamadda here?
He is not perceived as a strong enough lead to generate much box office worldwide. The general concensus is that hardly anybody goes to see a movie because Colin Firth is in it.
And yes, they could have found a worse writer/director than Neil LaBute. Namely Paul Thomas Anderson. I loved when Kevin Smith dissed Anderson on the Web last year. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving no talent hack. "Magnolia" blew. The only worse movie with artistic intent from last year was "Eyes Wide Shut". Shudder.
~KarenR
Thu, May 11, 2000 (17:22)
#1268
From reel.com's news:
Fiennes, Paltrow, and Eckhart Ponder Possession By Kasia Anderson
Warner Bros. is pulling together a prize-winning cast for its film adaptation of a prize-winning novel, A.S. Byatt's Possession. The studio is angling to hook Oscar girl Gwyneth Paltrow, as well as Ralph Fiennes and Erin Brockovich's Aaron Eckhart, for starring roles in Byatt's cerebral love story.
According to Variety, WB has made a $5 million offer to Paltrow to play Maud Bailey, a brainy looker who stumbles upon an academic mystery while researching poetess Christabel LaMotte. [Note to all: Actually it is Roland who stumbles on it.] It seems Maud's subject, considered by others in her field to be a lightweight, had a secret affair with literary giant Randolph Ash. Maud's discovery [shudder!! They've changed the story] leads her to fellow researcher Roland Michell, who has devoted his studies to Ash's life and career.
Thus ensues an academic sleuth story, with the two contemporary colleagues trying to keep their findings secret while unraveling the mystery. Naturally, all that poetic talk of romance starts to affect Roland and Maud �. Byatt, also the author behind Philip Haas' Angels and Insects film adaptation, won the 1990 Booker Prize � Britain's highest literary honor � for Possession.
Though WB has kicked off the casting process with its offer to Paltrow, formal negotiations haven't yet begun. It's also unclear whether an offer has been made to Fiennes, but writer/director Neil LaBute (In the Company of Men) is re-writing the script and is "understood to be attached to direct," says the trade. LaBute's latest, the dark comedy Nurse Betty, is in competition at this year's Cannes Film Festival. Betty, starring Eckhart, Renee Zellweger, Chris Rock, Morgan Freeman, and Greg Kinnear, opens in the U.S. on November 10.
~~~~~~~~
Am getting nauseous...although Eckardt does fit the bill of Maud's narcissistic ex-boyfriend.
~EileenG
Thu, May 11, 2000 (17:28)
#1269
(Mari) RE: Avengers. Certainly a poor choice, but at least he didn't commit career suicide afterwards by going and hiding just because he had a flop. Nope, he got right back in there, and now all is forgotten (and rightfully so).
C'mon, Avengers was *not* Rafey boy's 'break-out' role. His post-Avengers career was in a far better place than CF's was post-Valmont (assuming you were making that comparison). Otherwise I agree with everything you, Evelyn and others have said about Ralph. He plays the game.
~Arami
Thu, May 11, 2000 (17:59)
#1270
For those who have not seen the premier clip, CF comes across as awkward and slightly embarrassed IMHO. Do you agree, Arami?
Yes, Allison, definitely. I've never known him behave in a bwww-ha-ha-ha! capital! sort of manner.
~lafn
Thu, May 11, 2000 (19:40)
#1271
...For those who have not seen the premier clip, CF comes across as awkward and slightly embarrassed IMHO
I certainly hope that the acting schools include a course in publicity/interviews/dealing with the media (to include live tv interviews )
in their canon. If they don't, they are shortchanging their students.
That is such an important factor in an actor's career . I don't see it as self-promotion either.If one is going to be in the public eye, one should feel comfortable doing so.
~LauraMM
Thu, May 11, 2000 (21:08)
#1272
Oh, Karen, that is terrible! Gwyneth is all wrong. Maud was prettier and more robust looking. I mean this woman had a figure!
How can they completely change the story like that? I think I need to write to Antonia Susan Byatt tonight telling her that they are destroying the best contemporary novel EVER!!!
~KarenR
Thu, May 11, 2000 (22:12)
#1273
Laura, the Variety item by Claude Brodesser didn't have any of that detail that reversed the roles. Basically gave a plot outline: "Based on the Booker Prize-winning A.S. Byatt novel, the storyline centers on two contemporary academicians, each studying one of two Victorian poets, who reconstruct their subjects' secret extramarital affair through their poems, diaries, epistles and analysis."
Am hoping that reel got it wrong.
~patas
Fri, May 12, 2000 (02:12)
#1274
(Karen)Laura, the Variety item by Claude Brodesser didn't have any of that detail that reversed the roles...Am hoping that reel got it wrong.
Plots are seen differently from different points of view... Perhaps this is how they introduced it to Gwynie. Remember SiL: the play was supposed to be called Mercutio, right? ;-)
Laura, I most definitely shall read the book - but probably only in a few weeks.
~LauraMM
Fri, May 12, 2000 (06:47)
#1275
Hope Reel got it wrong. But I can see how misogynist will make Gwyneth the "star" of show.
I don't know, Karen, I just picture John Cusack as Roland. Or a John Cusack-type as Roland.
I could never really define Ash. Cristabel/Maud I thought had similar appearance. Am thinking that Rupert Graves would be a good Roland. Still trying to picture Ash. Can't do it. (and don't see Fiennes as him either.)
~KarenR
Fri, May 12, 2000 (07:51)
#1276
Watch your questions, Laura. They are bordering on *spoilers* and if Evelyn and Gi are going to read it, some things cannot be discussed.
Actually, Gwynnie is not too bad (although she lacks a scholarly look). I had picked out Joely Richardson a long time ago for Maud, who was taller than Roland.
~LauraMM
Fri, May 12, 2000 (08:36)
#1277
Oops, will watch questions. Okay, ladies hurry up and read book so we can discuss the bad casting attached to said project!! :)
Joely Richardson, hmmmm.... Janet McTeer I think would be a wonderful Maud.
Curious to see how they cast Val, Ellen, Mrs Ash, Blanche, Steven Eckhart as (watshisname?), the blonde guy???? um, no?
~lafn
Fri, May 12, 2000 (10:50)
#1278
I ordered the book yesterday...but I don't mind reading discussions beforehand.
(Though I'm glad no one told me the ending of "The 6th Sense")
(Laura).... Okay, ladies hurry up and read book so we can discuss the bad
casting attached to said project!! :)
Not giving an inch, eh? You're tough , Laura;-)
~LauraMM
Fri, May 12, 2000 (12:30)
#1279
I LOVED the Sixth Sense (however, I figured it out, like at the very beginning!) But it was still good, and quite a cast. Olivia Williams (Jane Fairfax in A&E's Emma, was BW Wife!)
~lafn
Fri, May 12, 2000 (13:51)
#1280
Olivia Williams (Jane Fairfax in A&E's Emma, was BW Wife!)
And Toni Collette, Harriet Smith in the film "Emma" was the little boy's mother.
LOL all-Brit female cast. They were excellent too.TC nominated for Oscar for that role.Is on B'way now in a musical.
I really liked Olivia Williams with Kevin Costner in "The Postman."
Only redeeming part of that film.
~mari
Fri, May 12, 2000 (14:12)
#1281
Actually, Toni C is Australian. Did a bang-on job with the Philadelphia accent in SS. Most non-Yanks go for an all-purpose American accent, which is fine; but she not only got it down to the city, but a particular section of the city in which the film takes place. Loved her in Muriel's Wedding, too. Cosi is another good one--offbeat Australian comedy.
I'd love to go up to NY and see her in Wild Party; not sure I can put up with Mandy Patinkin, however (whom I used to like, but I think he's lost it now in more ways than one).
~LauraMM
Fri, May 12, 2000 (14:56)
#1282
Right, forgot of Toni Collette! She was so good! "Look at my face!" Loved it! Even Rebecca liked it. (she thinks Cole was cute:)) I'm in trouble!
~Ann
Fri, May 12, 2000 (15:08)
#1283
Lala: Am thinking that Rupert Graves would be a good Roland.
Really Laura? How surprising ;)
~LauraMM
Fri, May 12, 2000 (17:48)
#1284
Ooh, RG in the flesh. Saw a preview for Dreaming of Joseph Lees? Looks good, anyone see it?
~KarenR
Fri, May 12, 2000 (17:52)
#1285
I've seen it. Worth seeing for Samantha Morton's performance and the cinematography. Plot was pretty unbelievable for piece set in a rural area in the 50s. Had a very ambiguous ending, although director said which way he intended it to go. BTW, director is same as Colin's Relative Values. Rupert looked very good.
~LauraMM
Fri, May 12, 2000 (18:20)
#1286
I'll have to check it out. Have you guys seen Boys Don't Cry? I was very impressed by Hilary Swank's performance. She REALLY had me thinking she was a guy! (more so than Gwynnie in SIL:))
~KarenR
Fri, May 12, 2000 (19:36)
#1287
No comparison and shouldn't be. As I've said numerous times before, women masquerading as men/boys in Shakespeare do not need to be believable.
~LauraMM
Fri, May 12, 2000 (20:15)
#1288
Oh, I was trying to make a funny:)
It was a great movie! I haven't seen much lately:( I think Rebecca is itching me to take her to see the Flintstones (I like Mark Addy, but...)
Geez, now I have this comp at home, (and bunch of bootleg movies to boot;)), I stay home. I saw Magnolia, and not for nothing, I really liked it a lot. I'm am so not a Tom Cruise fan, but wow, he was an awesome misogynist! (word for the week?) Philip Seymour Hoffman as the nurse was very good too. As well as the guy who played the cop (forget name). Thought the rainstorm was very good too;)
~heide
Sun, May 14, 2000 (09:15)
#1289
...
to the mothers on our board (and I mean that in the nicest way)!
~lafn
Sun, May 14, 2000 (12:21)
#1290
Here's the URL for the NY times article that Murph mentioned:
"The British are coming..."
http://www.nytimes.com/library/film/051400british-actors.html
Jude Law's sticker-price now up to $5.Mil...wow!
(Don't blame him...strike while you're the flavour of the month!)
And while neither CF or SD are mentioned by name, the article is v. complimentary of their talent as a group.
Love the last sentence....bet Ben Affleck isn't thrilled;-)
~KarenR
Sun, May 14, 2000 (13:47)
#1291
Thanks, Evelyn, for the article. v. interesting. Liked that last line too. ;-)
But you'd better look fast before they enter the land of the limousine.
Limousine? Imagine that! *hee hee*
screen evil may not have reached quite such well-spoken proportions since Ralph Fiennes delivered his career-making performance in the 1993 film "Schindler's List."
Did anyone have any doubt re: career-making performance?
This Isaacs guy is certainly *driven* to succeed: Isaacs, who in conversation couldn't be warmer or more open. (About everything, that is, except his age. "I'm as old as you need me to be," he told a reporter, admitting only to being "in my 30s.") "I kill everything in my path," he added. "I think I cross every boundary known to man."
Don't think someone we know would be quite so....
Isaacs seems to have crossed that most important boundary: a role to lift a good company player, of which Britain boasts literally hundreds, into the next echelon of fame.
Good company player? See they did mention Colin, among all those hundreds who fill this bill. :-(
~CherylB
Sun, May 14, 2000 (14:11)
#1292
Happy Mothers' Day to all the Moms at drool.
~KJArt
Sun, May 14, 2000 (18:54)
#1293
To All you Mommies Out There ...
HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!
... And for good measure ...
Love, KJ
~Moon
Mon, May 15, 2000 (07:15)
#1294
Thank you Heide and KJ for the lovely flowers. Had a wonderful day yesterday.
"I'm as old as you need me to be," he told a reporter, admitting only to being "in my 30s.")
Loved this quotation. I think I will use it. Thanks for posting the link, Evelyn.
Frankly, I am sick of Ben Affleck and his bobsy (sp?) twin Matt.
~KarenR
Mon, May 15, 2000 (08:16)
#1295
Argh, this is appalling. As written, you'd get the impression that Fiennes would be Roland. :-( Some of the worst miscasting I've ever seen. Plus give away the plot, why don't you?
Paltrow takes 'Possession' with Fiennes
(Mon., May 15, 2000) By Zorianna Kit
Warner Bros. and USA Films are co-financing "Possession," which Neil LaBute has committed to direct as his next film. Oscar-winning actress Gwyneth Paltrow and Ralph Fiennes have committed to star. Aaron Eckhart ("Erin Brockovich") is in talks to star.
Under terms of the 50-50 split, USA has agreed to distribute the film domestically with Warners taking foreign rights. Barry Levinson and Paula Weinstein's Baltimore/Spring Creek, which had been developing the project at Warner Bros., are producing.
"Possession" is based on British author A.S. Byatt's novel "Possession: A Romance."
The film, alternately set in present day and Victorian England, is about two academics who, while researching 19th century poet Randolph Ash, stumble upon a love letter written by Ash -- a man believed to be faithfully married -- to a lesser known poet, a chaste spinster. In unearthing the romance, the scholars embark on a journey that challenges their beliefs about themselves.
LaBute, whose film "Nurse Betty" screened in Cannes, has been rewriting the "Possession" script. Warners' senior vp production Courtenay Valenti is overseeing the project for the studio. Paltrow is no stranger to the Fiennes family, having co-starred opposite Fiennes' younger brother Joseph in "Shakespeare in Love," a role which garnered her a best actress Oscar win. Both actors are repped by CAA. [Colin needs to change agencies]
Should Eckhart also come aboard "Possession," it would mark the actor's fourth consecutive project for LaBute, having previously starred in all of the director's films, including "In the Company of Men," "Your Friends & Neighbors" and the upcoming "Betty."
~mari
Mon, May 15, 2000 (12:12)
#1296
(Karen) Both actors are repped by CAA. [Colin needs to change agencies]
Maybe, but I shudder to think what projects they don't even bother presenting him with because the shoots don't coincide with the months in which he's willing to work.:-(
BTW, some mediocre reviews for The Golden Bowl at Cannes--Variety says Uma and Jeremy are miscast.:-( JN sports an Italian accent. I don't care, I'll see it anyway.
~KarenR
Mon, May 15, 2000 (12:40)
#1297
I've posted the Variety review at JN's topic (43), along with a va-va voooooom picture. ;-)
~lafn
Tue, May 16, 2000 (09:30)
#1298
Tineke reported this:
And don't forget to log on at
http:// www.tonys.org
tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11.30am ET for live interviews at the Tonys Nominees Brunch. It is reported that Jennifer will be there.
~EAGrace
Wed, May 17, 2000 (11:27)
#1299
I've received important Drool advice to check out this board. I'm glad I did --- you guys are very funny. Brightens my otherwise solitary day spent working at the computer.
I've been wondering myself what's gone wrong with Colin Firth's career. He's obviously talented, and I admire his Olivier-like flexibility, but I found his performance in My Life So Far to be less emotionally believable than in earlier films. I'm at a disadvantage though, because I haven't seen a lot of his latest projects. Saw SIL, A Thousand Acres, and English Patient, but he had small roles in these. Can't find Fever Pitch in video stores, and it never made it to the big screen. Haven't seen Secret Lives of Women --- I think it did make it to the local independent, but so briefly I missed it. I thought Hostages was stunning, and yet only got to see it on video a couple of years ago. And The Advocate/Hour of the Pig was hilarious, clever, and progressive. Yes! Progressive --- in its subtext.
I'm always amazed though, how his finer films are so completely ignored. Valmont is a case in point. I think it remains his best all-round performance (that I've seen), and was one of the best-directed films. Certainly much better than Dangerous Liaisons, in my opinion. If I'd been part of such a fine enterprise and it flopped, I think I'd crawl away for awhile. Of course, if he did disappear (I take your word for it) it may not have been about that at all.
It may be lack of career know-how or interest, bad agents, the tastes of the hoi polloi, or simple differences in priorities. But for Valmont to flop has to be nothing other than pure karma!
Man, do I ever wish this thing had a spell-checker. Can't believe how many words I'm now unsure about that I used to remember. This is the real reason Bill Gates is insidious!
Sounds like his later choices leave something to be desired. Which recent Firth films do people recommend?(I'm a little fuzzy about films from 1997 on.)
~EileenG
Wed, May 17, 2000 (11:38)
#1300
(EAG) and it [FP] never made it to the big screen.
It did indeed, even here in the states. I saw it in NJ last October. Blink your eyes and you would have missed it, though. It also played on the big screen in countries where football is popular (everywhere in the world, so it seems).
~KarenR
Wed, May 17, 2000 (14:18)
#1301
Let's not make it appear as though FP *really* played in the US. For about a week, it was in a few theaters in and around NYC. There are a few other places outside that small piece of real estate considered part of the US. ;-)
Since it played all over the world (except the US), you can buy the video in both PAL or NTSC formats and would be available in rental stores everywhere but...
The Secret Laughter of Women only played in the UK for a short while, but is on video there in PAL.
~lafn
Wed, May 17, 2000 (14:41)
#1302
FLASH!
Have just spoken to TRT publicist....
JE will be interviewed on A&E "Breakfast with the Arts" show to be televised on Sunday June 4th (Tony- Sunday!).Check local listing for time.
She is doing this "alone"...no Stephen, no Mum..This is the same show that did an interview with CF before SIL. P&P is still A&E's highest rating show ,so no doubt they will ask her about it.I know they are thrilled to have her...they've been after her for a while.
I will say PR people are great to deal with in NY...I identify myself as being from the JE website, and they are most informative and accomodating.
IMO they really understand the importance of publicity on the web.
~Moon
Wed, May 17, 2000 (17:21)
#1303
I hope JE sits up straight for this one. ;-)
Fever Pitch never made it to soccer loving Miami. Karen is right, it played the world but the US.
~Arami
Wed, May 17, 2000 (17:29)
#1304
for Valmont to flop has to be nothing other than pure karma!
Had it premiered ahead of the other adaptation, it wouldn't have flopped, I'm (almost) sure of that.
~lafn
Wed, May 17, 2000 (17:37)
#1305
Had it premiered ahead of the other adaptation, it wouldn't have flopped, I'm (almost) sure of that.
Agree. Stephen Frears beat Milos to it.If he hadn't been so egotistical ,and finished the film on schedule instead of dragging out V. would have made it.
~Arami
Wed, May 17, 2000 (17:59)
#1306
There were various shady things going on behind the scenes - I believe it started with some people who were originally meant to work with Forman (including the scriptwriter and one of the stars?), but who "defected" to the other side for one reason or another... And it seems that Forman decided to stake his reputation (a string of Oscars for Amadeus, etc.) against the other film's better known and more "bankable" cast.
~catheyp
Wed, May 17, 2000 (18:13)
#1307
I just read this and thought I'd share it with you:-
"A celebrity is a person who works hard all his life to become well known, then wears dark glasses to avoid being recognized."
~KarenR
Wed, May 17, 2000 (18:39)
#1308
There were various shady things going on behind the scenes
I've never heard of any of those things you've described. Frears was lensing (as they call it) before Forman had his script finished, but the egomaniac kept going anyway.
The only thing that rings a bell is that Forman wanted Michelle Pfeiffer for Madame de Merteuil. She didn't commit and wound up playing Madame de Tourvel in Frears' version. And Forman wrote the script with Carriere, who I believe was in from the beginning. Hampton, who wrote the play, wouldn't have collaborated with Forman as they had different perceptions of the story.
Valmont didn't stand a chance since DL had already garnered so much praise.
~Arami
Wed, May 17, 2000 (19:20)
#1309
I have read Forman's wailings in a book he wrote. He alleges that Hampton promised to work with him and then somehow inexplicanbly started avoiding him, only to emerge bowling for the other side, so to speak... I haven't heard Hampton's side of the story, but it's quite plain that he saw Valmont as selfish and evil (Rickman in the original London stage production was physically handsome and morally revolting!), whilst Forman saw him charming, vain and misguided.
~Arami
Wed, May 17, 2000 (19:21)
#1310
Oops. Inexplicably.
~lafn
Wed, May 17, 2000 (19:51)
#1311
Re: Forthcoming TV interview with JE on A&E:
(Moon)I hope JE sits up straight for this one. ;-)
LOL.
Yeah...and wears black "trainers" with white shoelaces....then we'll all think she's super cool.
After all, she lives in Islington too;-)
~EAGrace
Thu, May 18, 2000 (01:51)
#1312
Oops, I meant The Secret Laughter of Women. Why do you suppose I wrote The Secret Lives of Women?
~KarenR
Thu, May 18, 2000 (08:22)
#1313
I have read Forman's wailings in a book he wrote. He alleges that Hampton promised to work with him and then somehow inexplicanbly started avoiding him
If you're referring to Turnaround, Forman's book, please see pp. 282-3.
~patas
Thu, May 18, 2000 (08:48)
#1314
(Eileen)(Fever Pitch) also played on the big screen in countries where football is popular (everywhere in the world, so it seems).
(Karen)Since it played all over the world (except the US)
Sorry! Not here :-(
~EAGrace
Thu, May 18, 2000 (10:06)
#1315
Does anyone know for sure if it played in Canada,though? And when? I wouldn't be surprised if it did and I missed it. Come to think of it, I was suffering through my thesis around the time FP came out. Took blood to finish writing it. I missed everything going on in the world!
~EAGrace
Thu, May 18, 2000 (10:08)
#1316
Question: did Topic #129 disappear, or did I dream its existence?
~KarenR
Thu, May 18, 2000 (10:13)
#1317
Topic 129 is there. Did you hit the "Forget" button on top by mistake? Happens. Just insert 129 instead of any topic number into the url at top and you'll be back. See if the Remember button is shown, then you've done a Forget.
Yes, Fever Pitch definitely played in Canada; it was during the last World Cup. It has been available on video there since last year and was recently reduced to a purchable price. Check www.videoflicks.com (a Canadian videoseller)
~EileenG
Thu, May 18, 2000 (11:43)
#1318
Got around to thumbing throught the current edition of Newsweek last night. In the Newsmakers section, stumbled on a couple of familiar faces, along with this snippet:
The Tony Awards' Family Feud
Newsweek, May 22, 2000
Poor Jennifer Ehle. Can't she ever get the limelight to herself? The 30-year-old actress is going head to head with her mother, Rosemary Harris, for the Tony Award for best actress in a play. (There's never been this type of family feud, although a father and daughter squared off once, as did an aunt and niece.) Ehle's nominated for her role as the mistress in Tom Stoppard's "The Real Thing." It's not the first time she's played second fiddle. She was the other woman (for a while, at least) in the 1995 BBC version of "Pride and Prejudice," too. Apparently, she's not too concerned about being upstaged. Harris will play an older version of Ehle's character in the movie "Sunshine." Every mother should have a daughter like that.
*****
Lizzy was the 'other woman' in P&P?? Who wrote this, Caroline Bingley? Sheesh! Regardless, the pictures (which are n/a on line) of JE and RH were on the top left of the page--v. eyecatching (will send ya hard copy, Ev). I sense the hand of Harvey once again...
~EAGrace
Thu, May 18, 2000 (11:48)
#1319
Yes Karen, that's exactly what I did. Thanks. I really think this is an excellent system, even though I don't completely know my way around yet.
I checked, and FP is not there. What did you think of it(if you're not tired of talking about it)?
~fitzwd
Thu, May 18, 2000 (11:54)
#1320
(Eileen) The Tony Awards' Family Feud
Maybe this is the article that inspired that interviewer yesterday, who asked that insipid question of JE at the Tony luncheon (see topic 132).
p.s., I just looked in the dictionary to confirm my spelling of insipid, and the page opened up to Islington :-)
~EAGrace
Thu, May 18, 2000 (11:58)
#1321
Hmmm, when the Oracle speaks . . .
~KarenR
Thu, May 18, 2000 (13:14)
#1322
(Eileen) Lizzy was the 'other woman' in P&P?? Who wrote this, Caroline Bingley?
LOL! Doncha wonder where these people get their information?
(LizG) I checked, and FP is not there.
If "there" refers to your local video store, I can't help you, but if it refers to for sale in Canada, go here:
http://www.videoflicks.com/VF2/9996/9996141.ihtml
We did talk about Fever Pitch a very long time ago, but it's one of my favorites to watch for sheer pleasure and the soundtrack, which is always on hand in my car. ;-)
~EAGrace
Thu, May 18, 2000 (13:29)
#1323
(Karen) Actually, "there" refered to www.videoflicks.com. I searched under Colin Firth. Other films there, but not FP.
(?) Ok, now how exactly was Lizzy the "other woman" for awhile in P&P2? Did they cut something in the version I saw? Darcy with a secret mistress stashed somewhere, a crazy wife in the attic, perhaps? Didn't he ride stallions? So she couldn't have been competing against a love affair with his horse! . . . well, I suppose she could have, but lets not go there. TMI!
~lafn
Thu, May 18, 2000 (13:55)
#1324
(Eileen) I sense the hand of Harvey once again..
For sure.
FP soundtrack a winner.
In TIME RH&JE were compared to Joan and Melissa Rivers mother/daughter team.
I think I'd rather be "the other woman";-)
~Moon
Thu, May 18, 2000 (14:48)
#1325
(Evelyn), Yeah...and wears black "trainers" with white shoelaces....then we'll all think she's super cool.
So that's why he does it, to be cool? A new insight on Colin. Do you think Will wears them like that too? ;-)
(Eileen) Lizzy was the 'other woman' in P&P?? Who wrote this, Caroline Bingley?
(Karen), LOL! Doncha wonder where these people get their information?
Who hires these people?
(Liz), I checked, and FP is not there. What did you think of it(if you're not tired of talking about it)?
Liz, you should check out the film disc. topic. Could someone add the link.
~fitzwd
Thu, May 18, 2000 (15:25)
#1326
(Evelyn) In TIME RH&JE were compared to Joan and Melissa Rivers mother/daughter team.
You know, on the first read, I just snickered to myself and read on. But when you stop and think about it, geesh.
~EileenG
Thu, May 18, 2000 (15:38)
#1327
(Donna) But when you stop and think about it, geesh.
Honestly, couldn't Time come up with any other mother-daughter teams for comparison? It makes me forgive Newsweek for their P&P mistake.
~KJArt
Thu, May 18, 2000 (16:07)
#1328
(Eileen) Lizzy was the 'other woman' in P&P?? Who wrote this, Caroline Bingley? Sheesh!
Not only was she "the other woman" to Miss Bingley, but most especially to Lady Catherine. ;-)
~KarenR
Thu, May 18, 2000 (16:48)
#1329
LizG: Yes, for some reason FP doesn't show up by searching under Colin's name. A technical snafu. But if you search under FP, you will get two hits. Take the more recent or use link above directly to the video.
Here's the link to the edited and archived Spring Drool film discussion index at firth.com:
http://www.firth.com/filmdis/disindex.htm
*more reading* I hear you cry! ;-)
~EAGrace
Thu, May 18, 2000 (17:47)
#1330
Well, thank you so much for the link, Karen! Very drool-like approach to film reviewing! :-)
~EAGrace
Thu, May 18, 2000 (18:30)
#1331
Hmmm, if life always imitates art, and JE was the 'other woman' to her own mother, and if you start with Premise One and add Premise Two, reasoning without any logical fallacies (don't hold it AGAINST the man), using only valid rules of inference... and defering to all applicable truth tables . . . now let me see, its been awhile but . . . First Conclusion: The woman behind Lizzy's 'other woman' status is none other than . . . Second Conclusion: Darcy, Darcy, Darcy, so that's why you ----
~amw
Fri, May 19, 2000 (15:00)
#1332
Have just read the Waiting in the Wings, is to close on the 28th May, looks like you have just made it Evelyn, what a shame, I was hoping to see it in July.
~KarenR
Sat, May 27, 2000 (23:22)
#1333
To Heide
for having been a great co-host on Drool for all this time
~amw
Sun, May 28, 2000 (09:04)
#1334
To both Karen & Heide, our wonderful co-hosts, what would we do without you both. (that is so cute Karen).
BTW as it is so quiet on the Boards, I thought I would just mention that yesterday James & I went to see Glaldiator, what a wonderful movie, I was so close to tears at the end and I think I have found my 3rd favourite actor, RC. Highly recommend it to anyone who is thinking of going.
~heide
Sun, May 28, 2000 (09:07)
#1335
Thanks, sweetie, but I'll always be here. I'm just shoveling all the work off on you. ;-) Ladies and gentlemen, now there's a host.
A holiday weekend in the US and also in the UK I believe. Enjoy, everyone. I'm off to do the picnic thing in the rain.
~KJArt
Sun, May 28, 2000 (18:38)
#1336
Holiday, true. All public means of access to the Net closed, so I'm off tomorrow. Don't do too much exciting while I'm gone.
Thank you both for a multitude of good works. Have a nice holiday, Karen and Heide!! KJ
~Moon
Sun, May 28, 2000 (19:58)
#1337
Karen and Heide, THANK YOU for all the fun and games! You are appreciated. Am I hugging too tightly? ;-)
~alyeska
Sun, May 28, 2000 (20:14)
#1338
Thanks to both of you.
~KarenR
Sun, May 28, 2000 (22:34)
#1339
Your kind words are appreciated, ladies. However, I wasn't as clear as I should've been. My thanks go to Heide, as she has decided to no longer be a host at Drool.
~amw
Mon, May 29, 2000 (01:56)
#1340
Oh no, we shall miss her, but she will still be around?!
~Moon
Mon, May 29, 2000 (08:30)
#1341
Sorry to hear it. Heide, I hope you will still hang out with us. And remember, we have AZ to discuss in the fall.
~Elena
Mon, May 29, 2000 (08:40)
#1342
Heide, thanks for everything, you�ve been a lovely and diplomatic host. I sure hope you mean to stay with us in spite of giving up hosting!
~sprin5
Mon, May 29, 2000 (09:03)
#1343
I agree. Heide will still have her hostly privileges, even though the work world is getting more of her attention.
~patas
Mon, May 29, 2000 (12:22)
#1344
(KarenR)...I wasn't as clear as I should've been. My thanks go to Heide,
as she has decided to no longer be a host at Drool.
Thanks for explaining, Karen, I was wondering what that was all about - I thought some kind of anniversary or something.
Heide, I hope whatever is taking more of your time is a good thing :-)Hugs.
Karen, hugs to you too, and keep up the good work :-)
Marcia, I know it's your birthday soon. Thirty-first, is it?
~Moon
Mon, May 29, 2000 (17:37)
#1345
We are planning a birthday bash for her Marcianess.
Please join us here on Wed. May 31st.
~CherylB
Tue, May 30, 2000 (16:29)
#1346
Oh Heide, tear out my heart, rip it apart, and stomp that sucker flat! You're no longer hosting at drool. I'm bereft.
Seriously, thank you for your patience, graciousness, and humor. Thanks for the advice you gave me when I asked. I hope to see that you will still be posting here. Good Luck.
~mari
Tue, May 30, 2000 (18:03)
#1347
Heide, thanks for all you've done as a host; I know it's tricky, but the best ones make it look easy and you ladies here are the best. Glad to hear you'll still be hanging out with us.
An early happy birthday to Marcia!
~lafn
Tue, May 30, 2000 (21:22)
#1348
Heide isWhat?
I go away for a week and look what happens;-)
Wadsamadda...don't you like us anymore?
And we try so hard to be good;-)
Thanks Heide...you've been a great "Madeline Albright"..
Now...will we see the real Heide??
No kidding....you've diffused a lot of "almosts" and I hope you will continue.
~~~~~
From a theatre website on the Tony Awards predictions:
"Jennifer Ehle: chances: Strong. Ehle is the discovery of the season and Tony voters may want the chance to claim her as one of our own
before Hollywood comes knocking.
[Oh dear....if she reads this, she won't show up!]
" Rosemary Harris:
chances: Despite strong competition from her own
flesh and blood, Harris may just repeat her Tony win of 34 years ago"
~MarciaH
Tue, May 30, 2000 (21:32)
#1349
June 4th is Heide's Birthday
~MarciaH
Tue, May 30, 2000 (23:26)
#1350
Lizza's Birthday is June 7th
Karen (KJArt)'s Birthday is June 8th
Moon's is the 14th
~MarkG
Wed, May 31, 2000 (02:35)
#1351
Happy Birthday Marcia!
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (02:53)
#1352
Thank you! Wow!!! *hugs* I have more roster sheets to send to you...=)
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (02:54)
#1353
How did you know???
~patas
Wed, May 31, 2000 (09:12)
#1354
Happy Birthday dear Marcia!
Here's my first gift to you:
so you can move around freely without logging out.
This: for those rainy days in Hilo;
And a nice, young, athletic,whole team to keep you busy :-)
~Moon
Wed, May 31, 2000 (10:22)
#1355
Happy Birthday Marcia!!!
Three cheers for the queen of GEO! You may not know this, Marcia, but I do lurk there.
Of course our Marcianess deserves to wear the constellation watch to keep up with all things geo.
And since you are always giving us such beautiful lais, I thought you might like one with diamonds.
A send you a big hug. Enjoy your day!
~Lizza
Wed, May 31, 2000 (10:40)
#1356
Marcia, I am NO good at putting up images like the others, but lots of special
birthday hugs to a truly wonderful, witty and wise co drooler.
Cue amazing invisible image of a huge birthday cake , from which OBD
emerges wearing the icing of Marcia's choice and his dimples!
Invisible that is to all but Marcia!!
~Lizza
Wed, May 31, 2000 (10:44)
#1357
Heide, sorry to hear that you are unable to co-host anymore.
A huge thank you for all you have done to encourage newbies to stay
over the years (!), myself included.
I do hope we will still have your tact and diplomacy to enjoy from time to time
not to mention your sense of humour.
Cue huge ( and still invisible) image of an exploding "thank- you".
~SusanMC
Wed, May 31, 2000 (11:13)
#1358
Happy Birthday, Marcia! And thanks, Heide, for all you've done to make these boards so great:-)
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (12:10)
#1359
Oh...Wow! Thank you -
Gi, you know I need another laptop - a real one! The umbrella is lovely and looks like Applique - stunning....but that team. This morning I could really us a team. I'll give you details in email - but I seem to have "done it" again!
Moon...*sigh* Nothing even close grows around here for lei-making. How stunning. I could build a whole new wardrobe around a piece of jewelry like that! Great Chronometer (which that is - no plain watch from You!)...Love to have one like that! And the Piece which I could not resist is OBD. Gadzooks!
Lovely and much appreciated. Sluuuuuuurp! (Yeah, I did know you lurk and that is wonderful and a great compliment! *hugs*)
Lizza dear, I have IRL present from you with the most lovely image on the cover.
What could be better that I don't have to return to Livia at the end of the day?! Mahalo with great bit *hugs*
Susan! It is so good to hear from you! Thanks for the good wishes.
Whoopee! It IS gonna be a happy birthday, after all...*happy grin*
~LisaJH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (12:22)
#1360
Happy Birthday, Marcia! Although I am not a long-time Drooler, I must say that whenever I have randomly clicked on one of your posts, I have been impressed with your breadth and depth of knowledge on an array of topics, not to mention your wit and overall sense of fun. You truly are the renaissance woman of Spring.
Heide, I will never forget how kind and encouraging you have been to me, as I am certain you have been to all newcomers. Thank you for your grace, humor, and intelligence.
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (12:30)
#1361
Woo Hoo...Thanks - You guys are saving my life this morning - AND my sense of humor. Big hugs to you all. The rest of spring occupies my intellect but The Ladies of Drool have my heart. Thanks for lurking and enjoying!
~lafn
Wed, May 31, 2000 (12:43)
#1362
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARCIA
Every Birthday Girl should have one!!
~patas
Wed, May 31, 2000 (12:52)
#1363
(MarciaH) The umbrella is lovely and looks like Applique - stunning...
It is hand-painted, actually.
I seem to have "done it" again!
Oh dear... Awaiting your email with some anxiety...
~LisaJH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (13:49)
#1364
~amw
Wed, May 31, 2000 (13:57)
#1365
Happy Birthday from me too, Marcia.
~Tineke
Wed, May 31, 2000 (14:14)
#1366
Happy Birthday Marcia!
~KarenR
Wed, May 31, 2000 (15:28)
#1367
What's dat!! I tawt I taw a party going on...
Yeah! Dis joint is jumpin'
And der's a whole lotta shakin' going on...
CAUSE IT'S MARCIA'S BIRTHDAY!!!!
~KarenR
Wed, May 31, 2000 (15:32)
#1368
Have a little itsy bit of cake, while you drool over your prezzie
Just a little something I picked up for you at BB&B ;-)
~lafn
Wed, May 31, 2000 (16:19)
#1369
I am so glad we have a birthday month comin...love a pahty!!
Hey Marcia....you do a mean hula;-)
~~~~~~~~~~
TV ALERT (Thanx to SUE)
Just saw mini-interview with Jennifer and her mum on CNN Mr. Showbiz.
Shows clips of TRT ,WITW, and SUNSHINE.
Will re-show at 3 AM.
~Elena
Wed, May 31, 2000 (16:33)
#1370
Happy Birthday, dear Marcia!
~lafn
Wed, May 31, 2000 (16:38)
#1371
Will re-show at 3 AM.
Re: CNN that's 3 AM Central Time.
~sprin5
Wed, May 31, 2000 (17:13)
#1372
Happy birthday again Marcia. You're such a wonderful contributor here!
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (17:57)
#1373
Thanks Terry! My pleasure!!
~KJArt
Wed, May 31, 2000 (18:10)
#1374
Marcia...
I have to rush off,
but I'll be back later with more goodies. Meanwhile...
(and this is straight from the heart...)
And some tropical beauties for a tropical lady...
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MARCIA!...KJ
~CherylB
Wed, May 31, 2000 (18:50)
#1375
Marcia, the All Knowing, (okay, almost all knowing), you will insist that you don't know everything. Carpe Cakem and Carpe Diem. Carpe Annum for that matter. Happy Birthday and have an even better year.
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (19:08)
#1376
I just scrolled back through the party going on in here and what fun!!! LOLROTF stuff starting out with my fav collectable - a SPAM Sno-globe...*sigh*
Evvie-Luvvie never forgets! Mahalo and *Hugs* for that.
Karen...YOU remembered as well......*BIG sigh*... That is a stunner I could arrange a whole wardrobe around...!!! Love ya for that!!!
Elena, thanks and please come back to Geo and run around with your boulders and beetles and bioregions - Please??!!
Lisa (left speechless, are you?) thanks and Tineke...wow!!! Everyone is just about making my whole decade........I am delighted out of my lavalava!!!
Big mahalos, hugs and love to you all!!!
~alyeska
Wed, May 31, 2000 (19:09)
#1377
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARCIA
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (19:26)
#1378
Oh my - more goodies and great thoughts for me! Yippee. KarenJ, thanks! Luv the purple hippopotapuzzle....and flowers and kind thoughts from AnnW and Cheryl, you're the best!!!
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (19:28)
#1379
Thanks Lucie!!!
~heide
Wed, May 31, 2000 (19:36)
#1380
Marcia! 29 Again? Happy Birthday, dear.
A toast to our biggest cheerleader -
Couldn't find any pom poms, sorry, but a rose by any other name...
~heide
Wed, May 31, 2000 (19:39)
#1381
I loved looking at your gifts, Marcia. Moon, dear, I had to chuckle when you told Marcia she's given us so many "leis" over the years. ;-) And Spam? I understand Hawaii has the biggest consumption of Spam per capita. We're gonna get you a Spam cookbook next.
An aside, thanks for so many warm wishes from you all. I feel a tad silly because I'll always be here and I'll bet you won't even notice the difference. But your nice words sure made me feel good.
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (19:49)
#1382
...at least Ann did not say I had been lei'd...like some do here where the hula dancers make like Karen's gif!!! are we not the couthest group on the planet?! When we do things including lusting, we do it with panache and class.
Ladies, you are making me into a warm and fuzzy ball of bliss!
~wolf
Wed, May 31, 2000 (19:55)
#1383
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARCIA!!!!
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (20:10)
#1384
Yup Heide, you are always one of the very best we have - but you know that and I'm gonna tell you anyway...... thanks for the rose pompoms, and the other goodies....*sigh* Is Drool not the most special place on earth?!
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (20:12)
#1385
Wow!!! Wolfie! Thanks for joining the party! Now, if we could just get someone off of Hiatus, that hateful Greek island where Cfadms go when ....!
~KJArt
Wed, May 31, 2000 (20:59)
#1386
(Heide).. A toast to our biggest cheerleader -
You've got to watch it with too many toasts, Marcia. You never know ....
***Hehehehehhehehehehehe***
~KarenR
Wed, May 31, 2000 (21:14)
#1387
Mmmmm good!! That Spam snowglobe is to die for. Am jealous. Bet Gi is going to want one too for her anniversary present. ;-)
(Heide) We're gonna get you a Spam cookbook next.
I think Gi got one as a shower gift. She can lend it to Marcia, but as we already know, Marcia has won the Culinary Inst of America's Top Toque Award for Spam Preparation.
~MarciaH
Wed, May 31, 2000 (21:37)
#1388
First, I am still getting up off the floor from KJ's gif! Too funny! I am going out for prime rib dinner shortly so I'll watch those toasts!
Hey, whoelse has created their very own Spam topic in the Food conference?!
And, I probably eat more of the stuff than all of you put together...(nuthin to shout about, however!) Top Toque award, Indeed - it is sitting just next to the place of honor wherein sits the Spam Sno globe and anytime you get to Hilo you might be allowed a peek at it if you wash your hands first!
I gave my son a Spam cookbook for a going away gift and he has taken his creations to parties and the plate always comes home clean (the dog must lick it...?!) Thank you for a lovely day. You have been incredible!
~KJArt
Wed, May 31, 2000 (21:52)
#1389
What are Birthday Parties all about?
Well, there's dancing...
(It ain't a true hula, Marcia, but with MY hips, the real thing could become downright destructive!)
[Let's see -- We've ruled out too much toasting. ... Hmmmmm ...]
Wait a minute, I'm sure we could safely drink toasts with this...
There also must be a cake -- inscribed with the proper sentiments, of course...
And for a final touch, a lovely present for a lovely lady worth her weight in gold ...
HAVE AN ENJOYABLE NATAL DAY, MARCIA! ... KJ
~KJArt
Wed, May 31, 2000 (22:04)
#1390
(Marcia) ..Karen...YOU remembered as well......*BIG sigh*... That is a stunner I could arrange a whole wardrobe around...!!! Love ya for that!!!
...I am delighted out of my lavalava!!!
P.S. I was thinking of doing something about enlarging your wardrobe as well, but since you are arranging your own around Karen's gift, all I can do is make helpful suggestions....Such as .....
[***Heeheeheehee**** couldn't resist..]
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 1, 2000 (00:20)
#1391
LOL Dear....You found another one which put me on the floor again. Thanks!
The cake is lovely the sodas non-fattening and I brought size XXXX trench coats to hide our new girth under after all this over-indulgence. What a blast it has been....and I shall fandango out of here with the golden rose between my teeth.
*H U G S* and *ALOHA*
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 1, 2000 (09:29)
#1392
From the WTHITAB (what the hell is this all about) file:
Kinnear drawn to 'Husbandry'
Greg Kinnear is in negotiations to star opposite Ashley Judd in Fox 2000's "Animal Husbandry" for director Tony Goldwyn. Lynda Obst is producing the project, which will go before the cameras in July. "Husbandry," based on the comic novel by Laura Zigman, centers on a young woman (Judd) who develops a theory about men and women based on the animal world and tries to apply it to her own romantic situation. Kinnear will play Judd's boyfriend and colleague who breaks her heart. Australian actor Hugh Jackman stars as Judd's roommate who is longing for an old girlfriend and searching for a replacement. Elizabeth Chandler ("A Little Princess") adapted the screenplay. Fox 2000 production vp Ashley Kramer will oversee "Husbandry" for the studio. Getting "Husbandry" before the cameras is a coup for Obst. The project has been in development for many years and has gone through various incarnations. At one point, Jennifer Aniston was in talks to star.
*******
This was a book we talked about on the Bridget board a ways back. Pretty funny and a quick read. Hope Bridget gets to the theaters before this one.
~Moon
Thu, Jun 1, 2000 (14:33)
#1393
It is so typical of Hollywood to look for clones. I remember last year there was Stigmata, End of Days, Dogma, etc. all basically about the same subject. Studio heads are very insecure people with no balls. No one wants to take a risk. They always wait and see what the others are doing and then they bring out of dormancy projects which have been around for years but because no one else was doing similar things, it must mean that it would flop. Such cowards, I hate that attitude.
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 1, 2000 (14:43)
#1394
No, Moon. They are not all that similar, except boyfriend is a lying, scumbag jerk. ;-)
~Moon
Thu, Jun 1, 2000 (18:17)
#1395
No, Moon. They are not all that similar, except boyfriend is a lying, scumbag jerk. ;-)
Actually, it was you who brought that up, Karen, as competition for BJD. ;-)
What is similar, are the films I quoted.
~mari
Thu, Jun 1, 2000 (21:59)
#1396
Hmmm, don't think Dogma is like *any* other film I've seen. I do recall Miramax having to unload it when Disney wouldn't distribute it due to the controversy.
Anyway, here's a very thoughtful and insightful thumbs-up review of Sunshine from Roger Ebert:
SUNSHINE
by Roger Ebert
* * *
Paramount presents a film directed by Istvan Szabo and produced by Robert Lantos, Jonathan Debin, Andras Hamori and Rainer Koelmel. Written by Szabo and Israel Horovitz. Photographed by Lajos Koltai. Edited by Michel Arcand and Dominique Fortin. Music by Maurice Jarre. Running time: 180 minutes. Classified: R (for strong sexuality, and for violence, language and nudity).
"One gang was as bad as another," says an old woman at the end of Istvan Szabo's "Sunshine." In her long lifetime in Hungary she has lived under the emperor, the Nazis and the communists. And she watched as the West betrayed the 1956 uprising. She has watched some members of her Jewish family spend the century trying to accommodate themselves to the shifting winds of politics and society, and failing. She has seen other members fight against the prevailing tyrannies, only to find them replaced by new ones.
And she has witnessed the Holocaust bearing down over three generations -- not as an aberration, a contagion spread by Hitler, but as the inexorable result of long years of anti-Semitism. We are reminded of the 1999 documentary "Last Days," also about Holocaust victims in Hungary, which observes that the persecution of the Jews there began fairly late in the war, at a time when Hitler's thinly stretched resources were needed for tasks other than genocide.
But the Nazis had help. "Nice, ordinary Hungarian people did the dirty work," we learn, and there is even the possibility that some members of the Sonnenschein family, which the movie follows over three generations, would have helped had they not been Jewish and therefore ineligible. The movie shows family members determined to think of themselves as good Hungarians. The family name is changed to Sors to make it "more Hungarian," and Adam Sors, in the middle generation, converts to Catholicism, joins an officers' club, and wins a gold medal for fencing in the Olympics.
But assimilation is not the answer, as he learns when he remains too long in Hungary, believing a national hero like himself immune to anti-Semitism. There is a heartbreaking scene in a Nazi death camp where he tells an officer that he is a loyal Hungarian Army officer, too -- and a gold medalist. "Strip," the officer tells him, and soon his naked body has been crucified and sprayed with water until it forms a grotesque ice sculpture.
Szabo's epic tells the story of one family in one country, but it will do as a millennial record of a century in which one bright political idea after another promised to bring happiness and only enforced misery. The Sonnenschein family fortune is founded on "Sunshine," an invigorating tonic with a secret recipe. The film does not need to underline the symbolism that the formula for the tonic is lost as the century unfolds.
Ralph Fiennes plays the father, son and grandson, each one rebuffed or repelled by a Hungary in agony. Ignatz Sonnenschein, whose story begins the film (with some flashbacks about his father), is a successful businessman who presides over a comfortable bourgeoisie home and thinks of standing for parliament. His brother Gustave (James Frain, and later John Neville) is disgusted he would support a corrupt regime, and Ignatz speaks hopefully of progressive elements in the regime and the emperor's openness to reform.
After the war, a communist government gets in briefly, and Gustave joins it. Then the rise of the right ends that chapter, and he is placed under house arrest before fleeing to France. Meanwhile, Fiennes now plays Adam Sors, whose attention is focused on fencing; since the best fencers are in the officers' club, he takes lessons and converts to Catholicism so he can join it, too. He doesn't take religion seriously; it's just a ticket you punch in order to fence.
His son Ivan (Fiennes again -- uncanny in his ability to suggest the three different personalities) emerges after the war as a police officer under the new communist regime. Ivan grows close to an idealist named Knorr (William Hurt), who believes in communism and wants to do a good job, and therefore is a threat to the government. This sequence, showing a weary Hungary being betrayed once again by a corrupt regime, is the most effective, because it pounds the message home: The people running the communist government are more of the nice, ordinary Hungarians who helped with the Holocaust. The point isn't that Hungarians are any worse than anyone else -- but that, alas, human nature is much the same everywhere, and more generous with lackeys than heroes.
At three hours "Sunshine" made some audience members restless when it premiered at the Toronto Film Festival, but this is a movie of substance and thrilling historical sweep, and its three hours allow Szabo to show the family's destiny forming and shifting under pressure. At every moment there is a choice between ethics and expediency; at no moment is the choice clear or easy. Many Holocaust stories (like "Jakob the Liar") dramatize the tragedy as a simple case of good and evil. And so it was, but that lesson is obvious. The buried message of "Sunshine" is more complex.
It suggests, first, that some Jews were slow to scent the danger because they were seduced into thinking their personal status gave them immunity (so do we all). Second, that those who felt communism was the answer to fascism did not understand how all "isms" distrust democracy and appeal to bullies. Third, that the Holocaust is being mirrored today all over the world, as groups hate and murder each other on the basis of religion, color and nationality. The Sonnenschein family learned these lessons generation after generation during the century. So did we all. Not that human nature seems to have learned much as a result. Is there any reason to think fewer people will die in the 21st century than died in the 20th, because they belong to a different tribe?
Ignatz, Adam, Ivan .... Ralph Fiennes
Valerie (older) ....... Rosemary Harris
Greta ................. Rachel Weisz
Valerie (younger) ..... Jennifer Ehle
Hannah ................ Molly Parker
Carola ................ Deborah Unger
Andor Knorr ........... William Hurt
Gustave (younger) ...... James Frain
Gustave (older) ........ John Neville
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 2, 2000 (08:04)
#1397
And if you want to read Roger on the Dome...Shame he didn't mention the Blackadder film ;-)
http://www.suntimes.com/output/eb-feature/ebert3.html
~lafn
Fri, Jun 2, 2000 (11:05)
#1398
Thanks Mari ....SUNSHINE needs all the good reviews it can get....
Paramount tells me June 9th is just NY/LA. Nationwide later in the month.
Local Miramax rep is also Paramount Classics rep...was he glad to hear from me again....;-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IMPORTANT:
I have just been notified by A&E that BREAKFAST WITH THE ARTS will begin a half-hour earlier on Sunday . 8:30 AM Eastern Time.
Pl. check your schedules for local time.
Jennifer and David Suchet (he plays Poirot on A&E...also up for Tony) are the two celebrity interviews.Along with other musical stars.
~fitzwd
Fri, Jun 2, 2000 (11:28)
#1399
For people taping A&E - it will be 2:30 hours in length!
~SadieR
Fri, Jun 2, 2000 (11:29)
#1400
Hi,
It's pretty quiet over at the other boards, so I hope you don't mind me jumping into this one (without having the time to read responses going very far back).
Moon:Studio heads are very insecure people with no balls.
Now, now, musn't be sexist. We all know the real problem is that they lack ovum! Imagine how many CF films there'd be if they had 'em! Although courage may have nothing to do with it. :-)
Speaking of Ashley Judd and 'Animal Husbandry', I just saw her in Where the Heart is . I thought she was very powerful. I've never read 'Husbandry',but it's been around for ages hasn't it? Is it one of the earliest 'young Singleton woman' reflections on modern life?
~KJArt
Fri, Jun 2, 2000 (17:53)
#1401
Ova, Sadie, Ova! ;-) KJ
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 2, 2000 (19:02)
#1402
Well, just being on the same island doesn't guarantee good reviews. This is from a review for Maybe Baby by The Scotsman: "...while Tom Hollander should be immediately hospitalised until they work out why his Scottish accent sounds like it does."
*hee hee*
~CherylB
Sat, Jun 3, 2000 (11:17)
#1403
(Moon) Studio heads are very insecure people with no balls.
(SadieR) Now, now, musn't be sexist. We all know the real problem is that they lack ovum!
Actually, what they would be lacking is ovaries.
~patas
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (04:29)
#1404
(Evelyn)...SUNSHINE needs all the good reviews it can get....
It got bad ones in Portugal. On the other hand, Portuguese critics seem to have enjoyed High Fidelity.
~heide
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (08:36)
#1405
Yikes! Ovum, ova, ovaries - surely could be one, all, either/or. Such sticklers. ;-) Had a good chuckle, Sadie.
Thanks for the reminder, ladies on A&E. Forgot entirely and now have it on. Wondering if I've missed Jennifer yet. Some guy in a fright wig who souns like Count Almasy (but looks nothing like Rafe) is talking to Clara Schumann.
~lafn
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (10:12)
#1406
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HEIDE
thanx murph
~KarenR
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (11:24)
#1407
~KarenR
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (11:28)
#1408
"Heide, I've heard you also can be tempted with to-mah-toes..."
~KarenR
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (11:36)
#1409
"OK, I've finished warming up. Heide, get over here!"
~KarenR
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (11:43)
#1410
"Now, I don't want you to get too upset, but I've decided to give the job to a better looking American woman who not only has a first name (Heide) but who more importantly doesn't sit around wide-eyed, with her mouth hanging open. No hard feelings."
~KarenR
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (11:49)
#1411
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HEIDE!!!
Have a great day!
~Elena
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (12:26)
#1412
Heide, have a lovely Birthday!
I wish I was more skilled in putting up pictures here but because I�m not I�m just sending you big and warm congratulations! xoxo
~CherylB
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (13:07)
#1413
I'll keep it simple, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HEIDE!!! Bet you still don't look a day over 18.
~mari
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (13:07)
#1414
A very happy birthday to you, Heide! (And congrats on snaring that job with The Master.;-)
~sprin5
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (13:15)
#1415
Indeed, happy birthday to you Heide!
~Moon
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (13:56)
#1416
Happy Birthday Heide!
Since you have been working so hard lately, I thought I would give you a trip to the Turks & Caicos for a little R&R and F&F (fun & Firth). I took this picture, it really is heavenly. Enjoy your day!
~amw
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (14:55)
#1417
Happy Birthday to a very nice lady who I have only had the pleasure of meeting once, but I am sure there will be more opportunities in the future. Talking of which what about a Spring Reunion 2001 for the Premiere of Bridget Jones' Diary!!! in London.
~Tracy
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (15:12)
#1418
Happy Birthday Heide!
*fingers crossed*
~Lizza
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (15:19)
#1419
Just popping in to add my wishes to a special lady that can sure light up Cf and
the Donmar lobby !!!
Cue music and chardonnay corks popping.
Cheers Heide, have fun,and as we said when your "twosome" snappy came out
LOOK OUT LIVIA!!
~SusanMC
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (15:25)
#1420
Happy Birthday, Heide! Have a (insert alcoholic beverage of your choice) on me:-) Hope you're enjoying your special day!
~catheyp
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (16:00)
#1421
Happy Birthday Heide. Hope I'm not too late.
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (16:03)
#1422
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (16:07)
#1423
HAUOLI NA HANAU, HEIDE
This is a white ginger lei and is the most wonderfully fragrant lei in the world
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (16:08)
#1424
yikes! Oops! fixing my html tags
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (16:09)
#1425
*sigh*
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (16:20)
#1426
*Darcy is tan breeches is placing lei around neck and kissing you* I asked him if he would fill in for me since I am so far away......He was most eager to help and so understanding. Mind you, I do not provide this service for just anyone, and with my programming skills elsewhere this morning, I'd best leave it to your imagination (which I happen to know are excellent) *Happy Birthday Hugs*
~lafn
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (17:32)
#1427
*Darcy in tan breeches is placing lei around neck and kissing you*
"Getting leid by Mr. Darcy"....Marcia...what a pal...you're all heart...
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (17:57)
#1428
For special ladies only the best will do. I try...
~KJArt
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (18:58)
#1429
FIRST of all I have only one thing to say
when it comes to VIRTUAL BIRTHDAY CELEBRATIONS! ...
YOU GUYS QUACK ME UP! (**HEEHEE**)
SECOND of all, I still have not expressed my feelings upon Heide no longer
exerting her comforting and sanity-inducing influence on Drool... I'll miss that and ...
Truly heartfelt, believe me!
And finally, THIRD of all, greetings and good wishes upon your natal day,
oh, fellow gemini! ...I'm so excited that the day is here at last!
I want you to ...
, on this ...Heidi
~heide
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (19:40)
#1430
I just love a good party and when it's mine so much the better. Everybody shows up including those of you who have little time to post frequently anymore. We miss you!
Thanks for the warm wishes Evelyn, Elena, Cheryl B (pssst, I'm only 17;-)), Mari (just call me Genie), Lizza, Cathey and Susan. The alcohol is flowing. What kind of reputation do I have anyway?
Karen, my employment advisor, what would I do without you? Moon, that vacation is just too dreamy. I may never come back. Ann, a BJD reunion sounds good. When was that date again, Mari? Tracy, loved the hearts and flowers. You're getting to be a gif queen. Marcia, thanks for arranging that lei from Darcy. (Evelyn, you beat me to it!). KJ, one can never have enough cake (as opposed to booze). You made me so hungry, I'm heading off to the freezer for some chocolate truffle ice cream before the Tonys begin. Here's hoping my great day carries over for Jennifer (and Stephen).
Hugs and kisses, ladies.
~heide
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (19:40)
#1431
Oops. I'll end that bold.
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (20:44)
#1432
You don't know how close to sending you a "You've been Lei'd" card....but we are so couth here that I did not wish to offend.....;D
~lafn
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (22:03)
#1433
YIPEE...THEY WON
Our gang cleaned Up...Thank you Heide....you brought us luck!!
THREE TONY'S
BEST REVIVAL THE REAL THING
BEST ACTOR IN A PLAY STEPHEN DILLANE
BEST ACTRESS IN A PLAY JENNIFER EHLE
I tell you...i'm in shock....
Bring on the bubbly!!!
Stuff the Olivier's!!
~MarciaH
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (22:16)
#1434
Yippee!!! YeeHAW!!! Watched Jennifer's interview this morning...twinkly eyes of Elizabeth Bennet all over again! I am delighted!
Okole Maluna, Evelyn *hugs*
~alyeska
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (23:28)
#1435
My HAPPY BIRTHDAY wishes to you too Heidi. I,m a little late but this has been a hectic weekend.
Loved seeing Jenifer win. Loved Rosie and Nathan, I am a huge Nathan Lane fan.
With the cooperation between the Donmar and Broadway maybe there is a hope for ODB to make it to New York.
~lafn
Sun, Jun 4, 2000 (23:57)
#1436
(Lucie)With the cooperation between the Donmar and Broadway maybe there is a hope for ODB to make it to New York.
First of all he's got to get away from that "jail" (AKA BBC)
~alyeska
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (00:25)
#1437
First of all he's got to get away from that "jail"(AKA BBC)
We can hope and maybe pray a little.
~EileenG
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (11:37)
#1438
Gaah! Away for awhile and I miss the start of Drool's birthday-o-rama!
A belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Marcia. Hope it was a good one ;-)
And to you, Heide, a belated one as well! I have it on good authority that Vinny and the boys from Gang Green have dedicated their first touchdown to you. Keyshawn's also promised to drop every pass when the Bucs play them on Sept. 24th. Just for you, my dear...
LMAO at the TTOTS pic and caption, Karen. Heide, a condition of employment with the master is to resist every urge to peel off those annoying sideburns. Also, willya please buy him a suit that fits?
~lafn
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (12:09)
#1439
(Eileen)LMAO at the TTOTS pic and caption, Karen. Heide, a condition of employment with the master is to resist every urge to peel off those annoying sideburns. Also, willya please buy him a suit that fits?
Didn't you know?.....Character actors don't have to look good or wear clothes that fit...
It's just not that important in the UK or Australia ;-)*winkie, winkie*
~Moon
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (14:58)
#1440
Evelyn you crack me up!
~SadieR
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (15:23)
#1441
Wow, I go away for a romantic weekend and return to find wild partying and CF exploding all over the board! (I mean that metaphorically of course, a discreet reference to all the super photos)
First of all, happy belated birthday wish Heide. Even though I was wrong, and you weren't the tootsie woman (Gi, it had to be you), that's okay. Still love your stories.
Ova, Sadie, Ova! ;-) KJ
(Cheryl) Actually, what they would be lacking is ovaries.
(Heide)Yikes! Ovum, ova, ovaries - surely could be one, all, either/or. Such sticklers. ;-) Had a good chuckle, Sadie
Well I see I shall have to explain my complex theory on "Generation of Animals" which is intricately intertwined with my inexplicable metaphysics and posterior analytics. Actually, it's not, it's really just a prejudice . . . but pretend Aristotle is alive, a woman, and making up for centuries of misogyny perpetuated by Aristotle:
one ovum = two testicles/testes (tests, hmmm)
ERGO
(Carl Sagan voice required)
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of little swimmers.
Ovaries? Now that's an entirely different sphere/universe of influence!
I see I didn't get to the 'generation of animals' part, but all you need is a photo of CF and your imagination. :-)
~MarciaH
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (15:38)
#1442
LOL Sadie - *sitting at your feet to learn more of your philosophy*
~SadieR
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (15:49)
#1443
Which part, Marcia? Personally, I find the 'generation of animals' my favorite part! (Should this be on the Darcy Drool board?)
~patas
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (16:47)
#1444
(SadieR)Even though I was wrong, and you weren't the tootsie
woman (Gi, it had to be you)
Wrong. Esbee is the tootsie woman. I'm very "gestaltist" about men :-)
Happy belated Birthday, Heide!
For some reason, I thought it was on the 7th... Sorry:-(
Look who I brought home to you, though:
I hope you had a great day!
~SadieR
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (17:00)
#1445
Wrong. Esbee is the tootsie woman. I'm very "gestaltist" about men :-)
Sorry Gi! Oh my poor nerves. I was just all aflutter when you said you downloaded the photo! For I love to be of use (but I'm much much calmer than Mrs.B and nicer than LadyC). I too am a "gestaltist", but I always start with the eyes.
~heide
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (19:24)
#1446
Congratulations to The Real Thing. That was...
Truly didn't expect Jennifer to win but our good vibes carried her through. I'll check the Dillane topic where I suspect there's more about TRT's near sweep.
Thanks for the birthday greetings my dear Lucie, Eileen, Gi, and Sadie. The more I look at Flashman, the more I'm relieved that this one was a bust. ;-) Thoguh I always did go for a man with facial hair. Just sans the muttonchops.
~SadieR
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (21:16)
#1447
I was just looking back over older posts, and realized another belated Birthday wish is appropriate. Best Wishes to you Marcia. Really envy you the Spam!
~SusanMC
Mon, Jun 5, 2000 (21:45)
#1448
FYI to anyone in Mass., "Sunshine" premieres in Boston tomorrow night at the Kendall Sq. Cinema. Israel Horovitz, who co-wrote the screenplay (and is a local boy), will introduce the film.
~MarkG
Tue, Jun 6, 2000 (03:35)
#1449
A belated happy birthday, Heide.
Sorry to be lazy enough not to post this before.
~lafn
Tue, Jun 6, 2000 (16:05)
#1450
LOL...just had an email from the A&E producer....
"Due to the overwhelming response, we will re-show the Jennifer Ehle Interview on "Breakfast with the Arts" on July 23" .
~~~~~~
Honestly guys I only wrote one thank you note....
~alyeska
Tue, Jun 6, 2000 (18:23)
#1451
Kenneth Branagh was on Rosie this afternoon, he was great, I love his sense of fun.
He is in a musical opening this weekend. The Way We Were, he dances and sings. The clip was great, he's really a good dancer but I laughed at his stories of his aches and pains after doing it.
He said that in drama school they had to take dancing and singing lessons every morning.
Didn't he and Colin go to drama school together?
Hmmm, the thought of ODB in tights is intriguing to say the least.
~KarenR
Tue, Jun 6, 2000 (21:32)
#1452
Don't tell anyone, but...
(oh, go ahead tell everyone)
~Moon
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (07:07)
#1453
Happy Birthday Lizza!!!
I heard you were having a masquerade party on your birthday and I would not miss it for the world.
~lafn
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (08:43)
#1454
HAPPY BIRTHDAY LIZZA
"I was nice to see you at the Donmar"
~lafn
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (09:11)
#1455
AP review of SUNSHINE
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/e/AP-WKD-Film-Review-Sunshine.html
~amw
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (09:46)
#1456
Having seen Sunshine, I think this review sums up what I thought of the film and I wholeheartedly agree with his comments about Debra K. Unger!! RH was very very good but so was Jennifer as the younger Valerie.
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (09:46)
#1457
"Now, listen old man, I don't know how else to put this, but would you push off? There's a luverly young thing named Lizza that I'd rather be with. She's the finest looking babe in this spa."
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (09:54)
#1458
"I'm telling you, Elizabeth, there was this woman in the front row...on both Friday and Saturday nights. I couldn't take my eyes off of her. That hair!! It drew me toward her like a fly into a flame. I'm sure my performance suffered as a result. How am I to go on?"
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (09:59)
#1459
"Would you mind signing this 'To Lizza'? She came all the way to the Dome to see you and sat through the movie twice."
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (10:29)
#1460
LIZZA!!!
(have fixed the bold tag, trust me)
~EileenG
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (10:44)
#1461
ROTFLOL, Karen! *sigh* These are the times when I really miss my access to Netscape.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LIZZA DEAR!
Seen anything interesting while waiting on the loo line lately? ;-D
Andrew (my chief collaborator) and I are working on a new story (long delayed, but he was tied up with that BJD project forever). It has to do with a luvvy *oops* lovely young lady with beautiful hair, who goes out for a walk one day with a charming gentleman who has handsome thighs. Suddenly, it begins to rain...
Have a great day!
~MarkG
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (11:27)
#1462
Have a great day, Lizza.
To use Eileen's virtual image, *waving at you from the other end of the M4*.
~mari
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (11:27)
#1463
Lizza, with all these great pics and captions, I'm enjoying your birthday almost as much as you are!:-)
Wishing a very Happy Birthday and a great year to a neat lady. Looking forward to the next reunion . . .
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (11:37)
#1464
"I'm here for Lizza's party. I like nothing better than a good country hoedown. Will there be a tractor pull?"
~Lizza
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (11:45)
#1465
WOW!!! You certainly know how to make a girl's day. Moon, Evelyn, Karen and Eileen.
Thank you all so very much for your hilarious and wonderful comments, wishes and gorgeous pictures. I am all of a birthday quiver, I can tell you,
I just want to break into song (know that "My Fair Lady" number sung by AH
with the "wouldn't it be luvverly" refrain?).
Moon come and join the party, in your diamante mask of course.
Evelyn, you know how I adore big digits.
Karen, too funny! That's a man I would sit through amillion Dome shows for.
Eileen, you know I am very keen to take shelter from the storm, a cottage
and a real fire.....
Thanks for making my day special (I have to share it with Tom "the voice"
Jones!) and I can't think of anything nicer than wishes from such lovely droolers. Off to test the water in that Spa Karen, hope it's hot .........
cold water doesn't remove kohl!
~mari
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (12:28)
#1466
Long, but fascinating article on dialect coaches, from the LA Times. (I *think* Carla Meyer worked with CF on ATA.)
A Pronounced Trend
Today's films demand that more and more actors speak in authentic accents. Enter dialect the coach.
By ELLEN BASKIN
The rain in Spain may fall mainly on the plain, but, as Eliza Doolittle complained, being trained to explain that refrain (with the proper accent) can be a real pain.
"Essentially it�s like taking your mouth to the gym," says Welsh actor Rhys Ifans (familiar to U.S. audiences as Hugh Grant�s daffy roommate Spike in "Notting Hill"), who is learning how to speak "posh American" for the independent feature "Human Nature." "Your tongue�s a muscle, and you�re training it to work in a different way."
Once upon a time, what characters said in a film was more important than how they said it. For years, Hollywood played fast and loose with foreign accents, generally relying on a stable of European character actors to provide international flavor, with the overall attitude being something along the lines of "one accent fits all." But that�s no longer the case, and long gone are the days when an American star such as Katharine Hepburn could sound the same whether she was playing a Philadelphia socialite, Eleanor of Aquitaine or Mary, Queen of Scots.
Many give Meryl Streep credit for raising the accent bar in 1982 with her Oscar-winning performance as a Polish woman in "Sophie�s Choice." (She�s subsequently done everything from Irish and Italian to regional American--Southern, New York, etc.). Since then, many actors and actresses have altered their natural accents for film roles, with varying degrees of success, but Streep is still considered by most to be the standard against which other accented performances are measured. Now, in an increasingly international market, actors are expected to be masters of accents.
"It broadens the scope of characters you can play enormously," says Minnie Driver, whose most recent film, "Return to Me," featured the English actress as a character from Chicago. Driver returns to the Midwest in another American role in the upcoming "Beautiful."
"Accent informs so much about a character," she says. "It completely changes the rhythm of your speech and movement."
In these days of ultra-political correctness, where filmmakers are called on the creative carpet for a seemingly endless variety of historic inaccuracies, vocal verisimilitude has become a highly prized commodity. Enter the dialect coach, well-armed with a verbal bag of tricks. In the past decade, dialect coaches have become a significant presence on the Hollywood scene--and on many a film set as well.
It�s a process that involves repetition, studying audio- and videotapes, visits to locations where the characters live, along with breathing and vocal exercises. Dialect coaches don�t all use the same methods to get talent to mind their properly pronounced Ps and Qs, but all are in agreement when it comes to the finished product.
"You don�t want to call attention to it," notes Carla Meyer, one of the busiest dialect coaches in Hollywood. "You want it to look as seamless as it can be."
Using far less equipment, these sought-after instructors work the same kind of transformational magic usually associated with makeup and special effects. They keep a low behind-the-scenes profile, but their influence is being felt where it counts. Consider the recent Academy Awards: Though it�s a rare Oscar season that doesn�t feature several nominees from Britain or Australia, what was especially notable this year was that every non-American in the four acting categories was nominated for a role in which he or she portrayed an American character, including best supporting actor winner Michael Caine.
It�s possible to look at this trend of non-American actors striving to take on American accents as yet another dreadful sign that this country is, indeed, taking over the global cultural landscape. While that particular point is up for debate (except perhaps in France), the reality is more marketplace-based: For one thing, films are often financed at least in part by interests outside the U.S., which could make non-American actors appealing to producers. And then there�s the undeniable fact that there�s more film work for English-speaking actors and actresses here than elsewhere; by becoming adept at American accents, actors make themselves more competitive.
Certain actors find a change in vocalization a fundamental part of the acting process. "Every time I create a character, I don�t assume they speak like I do, even if they�re Australian," says Cate Blanchett, who worked with Meyer for "Pushing Tin" (1999) and the yet-to-be-released "The Gift." "Like finding the way the characters move, you have to find the way they speak."
In "Pushing Tin," Blanchett was totally credible--and almost unrecognizable--as Connie Falzone, a disenchanted housewife from Long Island, or, to use the vernacular, Lawng Geylund. (Coming after her Oscar-nominated performance as Queen Elizabeth, it was about as different an accent as you can have and still be speaking the same language.)
Meyer recalls that for that role, "I had recorded a woman who was a nurse for my dad, and she was a great model for Cate to use."
Meyer didn�t draw on one specific individual for "The Gift," in which Blanchett speaks with a rural Georgia accent. Instead, while on location, the two wandered the aisles of a local Wal-Mart.
"Normally, I might go to the Wal-Mart to observe the way people move," Blanchett says. "But when you go with Carla, as you�re picking the Cheerios off the shelf, you�re listening to what people are saying around you. The great thing about not being American is that you don�t assume you know what a Southern accent sounds like, so you have to be specific.
"And that�s what�s great about working with Carla," she adds. "She�s like a piano tuner, but she�s also a concert pianist as well, because everything that we discuss she can do herself."
Meyer went to drama school at Carnegie Mellon University, where her speech teacher was Edith Skinner, who, almost 20 years after her death, is still spoken of with reverence by those who employ her methods. Skinner developed an approach to speech and dialect training built upon the International Phonetic Alphabet and Standard American speech, which, Meyer explains, "is very good Eastern speech, upper-class New York or Connecticut--without the lockjaw."
This is generally taught for more "theatrical" applications, whereas films are more likely to use General American, "more conversational everyday speech--unaccented American, if there is such a thing," as Meyer explains it.
Judi Dickerson, who also uses the Skinner Method, was Russell Crowe�s dialect coach on "The Insider."
"We studied videotapes of Jeffrey Wigand [the real-life figure Crowe was portraying] and listened to that man speak over and over and over again," she recalls. They picked up specific sounds in his speech that Crowe could use "while at the same time not seem to be doing an impersonation."
Dickerson worked with Crowe again on "Gladiator," where his Australian accent was minimized so his speech wouldn�t be too marked a contrast to the rest of the cast, which was largely British. "Russell�s got a great ear," Dickerson says. "Usually I�d just repeat a certain word for him, and that would be enough; he�d do it perfectly the next time. Or sometimes I�d give a hand signal--sort of like an airplane controller on the ground--and he�d know just what I meant."
The specifics of dialect coaching vary from accent to accent and actor to actor, but certain principles remain constant. The coach generally starts by breaking down a script phonetically. Many actors, however, aren�t familiar with the International Phonetic Alphabet�s symbols, which resemble a cross between shorthand and Greek, so it�s then up to the dialect coach to get the message across in other ways.
Word lists are made for the actors to use in practice sessions. "I�ll take words from the text that use a particular sound and make lists of them, then we�ll build sentences out of those words," says Meyer, who�s currently on the set of "Pearl Harbor," where she is working with Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett, whose characters are from Tennessee.
Tapes help actors hear what a particular accent sounds like when spoken by a native of the region--and help them listen to their own voices, both naturally and with the new accent. Most coaches have huge stashes of dialect sample tapes--people they�ve approached while on the job, at an airport or anywhere else they may be when struck by a particularly distinct voice.
The best accented performances are those in which you stop noticing the change in voice at all. Clunkers draw undue attention to themselves and away from the film. Reviews of Kevin Costner in "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" (1991) focused as much on his in-and-out attempt at a British accent--"more Sherman Oaks than Sherwood Forest" noted one review--as on his swashbuckling heroics. And Al Pacino�s version of colonial Brooklynese in 1986�s "Revolution" was thought more an assault against the English language than the British army.
Of course, there are no vocal recordings for people who lived before the Edison age (for all we know, maybe Costner and Pacino weren�t too far off the mark). This presents a dilemma when making a period film such as "The Patriot," the Revolutionary War epic starring Mel Gibson. Both Meyer and Dickerson worked with Heath Ledger, who plays Gibson�s son in the film.
Ledger and Gibson are Australian (although Gibson was born and spent his early childhood in New York state). Francis Marion, the legendary "Swamp Fox" on whom Gibson�s character is loosely based, was from colonial South Carolina. So what�s a dialect coach to do? Taking their lead from the filmmakers, Ledger was instructed to speak with a nonaccented American accent.
"We were going under the assumption that the Southern dialect had not yet fully developed," explains "Patriot" producer Dean Devlin. "We had a lot of discussions about accents, and we decided to go with a standard British accent for the British characters and a General American accent for the Americans, just to establish the difference between them."
Meyer and Dickerson are two of a group of about a dozen coaches who use the same teaching technique. But not all dialect coaches subscribe to the Skinner Method. Robert Easton, the self-labeled "Henry Higgins of Hollywood," is a pioneer in the field who hung out his coaching shingle in 1964.
Easton sets himself apart from the "Skinnerites" who, he believes, focus too much on Standard American, a dialect he thinks is rarely if ever used and too "semi-British" for most American applications.
"Some people are extremely auditory," he says. "They listen, and they get it." With a more visually acute client, Easton writes out a phonetic transliteration of dialogue that emphasizes the appropriate dialect changes. For example, the phrase "stark naked" could read "stock naykuhd" for a character from Brooklyn, "stalk naykid" for someone from New Orleans, "stack naykid" from Boston, and "stork nekkid" if the character was from Fort Worth.
If Easton had coached Strother Martin, who played a Deep South character in 1967�s "Cool Hand Luke," the often-mimicked line "What we have here is failure to communicate" would look like this: "Hwutt we have hee-uh is fay-ya tuh kuhmyoonykay-eet."
Those clients who can�t pick up verbal clues very well either by ear or eye Easton dubs "kinesthetic," noting: "Many of the people I coach have been dancers or athletes and have a great feeling for musculature. So I talk to them about mouth position, tongue position, maybe I even make little drawings of where the tongue should be."
Easton has especially high praise for British actors, who, he feels, "in general are very open to doing whatever is necessary to create the character, not only in terms of dialect, but in terms of body language, mannerisms and so forth. It�s an oversimplification, but the English tend to try and use themselves to find and express the character, whereas Americans are more likely to use the character to express themselves."
In 1997, Easton coached Driver in an American role in "Grosse Pointe Blank." Since then, Driver has sharpened her stateside speech skills with other coaches in a number of films. Despite her experience with different accents, Driver says it�s still "terrifying in the beginning. When you�re first starting an accent, it rules everything, and I�m always trying to figure out how the hell to focus on a scene when I�m so worried about an accent. Then, when you get loud or you get sad or you get angry, your accent is often the first thing to go."
It�s often at such emotional points during filming that a dialect coach comes in, noting such shifts and gently pointing them out to the actor during a break in shooting. But coaches are not always hired for the duration of a film. When credits list a dialogue "consultant," odds are he or she helped during rehearsal or post-production but was not there when the cameras were rolling. Naturally, the coaches themselves are keen to be on the set from start to finish--though that�s often not the case--and actors generally concur.
"It�s just so good to have a coach on the set with you," Driver says, "because they can be listening up." At the same time, Dickerson says, "My job is not to interfere with the actor�s creative process. You do your training [as an actor] and then eventually you find your own way."
Dickerson, who is working with Hilary Swank on the Charles Shyer film "The Affair of the Necklace," recently coached Ifans in "Human Nature."
"It�s �listen and repeat,� �listen and repeat,� " the Welshman says of the challenge to learn the new sounds and mouth movements of American speech. One element in particular needed special attention.
"I roll my Rs," Ifans explains. "When I speak American, my tongue kind of feels left out. I�ve had to learn to let it lie lazily in my mouth like a futon."
Dickerson "knows the mechanics of the mouth and tongue," he says, adding in a roguish tone that transcends any accent, "she�d probably be a very good kisser."
~Lizza
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (13:11)
#1467
Thanks for all your super wishes Mark and Mari. Let's get that party going,
I know a good hotel bar in Soho, close to Earlham street!
Virtual drinks are on me.
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (13:18)
#1468
I'm late, as usual!
Happy Birthday, Lizza!!
~Moon
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (13:19)
#1469
Ifans is vv.v. funny!
Interesting article, Mari. Where could we buy the International Phonetic Alphabet�s Symbols Book? It sounds like a must have. ;-)
Karen, luv, you are cracking me up!
Lizza, great party! Liam Neeson also celebrates today with you. :-)
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (13:21)
#1470
And here's the sequel 'Pralines: the Edge of Reason'.It's a good read, I assure you;-)
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (13:21)
#1471
And here's the sequel 'Pralines: the Edge of Reason'.It's a good read, I assure you;-)
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (13:22)
#1472
Sorry about the double post. I don't know how that happened.
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (13:30)
#1473
(Moon) Karen, luv, you are cracking me up!
Words fail me, so I'll rely on one of my favs from Bridget:
Mmmmm (another bit of Bridgetese) for those chocolates, Tineke. Think more would read if we supplied with such goodies. ;-)
~amw
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (13:32)
#1474
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (14:43)
#1475
This message is from AnnW (Imagine it is in big red lettering):
Happy Birthday from me too,Lizza, hope the sun is shining on you, it is in sunny Sussex, at last!!
(sorry, only way to fix the tag problem)
~lafn
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (15:17)
#1476
Thanks Mari....good article. The 3 DOR crowd could have used one...including the American!
~amw
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (15:31)
#1477
sorry about that Karen, I'm sure I closed the tags or whatever.
~catheyp
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (16:00)
#1478
Happy Birthday Lizza (better late than never). I hope you had a wonderful, firthful day.
I still hope to see you again in your neck of the woods, but it won't be until March/April next year now.
~Lizza
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (16:05)
#1479
Delicious greetings Tineke, much appreciated and Ann and Cathey too,
it's great to see greetings from the three of you that I have met in the last year,
~Lizza
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (16:09)
#1480
Liam., Tom and the "droolers", not forgetting ODB.
It's a memorable occasion. Bring on the brandy with Tineke's chocs.
~EileenG
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (16:31)
#1481
Excellent article. Thanks for posting, Mari. Loved this: In "Pushing Tin," Blanchett was totally credible--and almost unrecognizable--as Connie Falzone, a disenchanted housewife from Long Island, or, to use the vernacular, Lawng Geylund. Is there another way to say it? :-D
(Tineke) 'Pralines: the Edge of Reason'
Hee hee! Keep those chocolates comin', we've got another celebration tomorrow. Meanwhile, here's to you, Lizza!
Bad, bad, Karen. Baddest girl in the whole da*n town...
~lafn
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (16:56)
#1482
No Bubbly or Chardonnay? What kind of a party is this anyway?
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (17:02)
#1483
They always card Evelyn at the store, so I'll buy:
Drink up: To Lizza, a luverly gal! *clink clink*
~lafn
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (17:10)
#1484
Merci...It always tastes better when other people buy;-)
He's to you Lizza- Luv!
Hic!
~Moon
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (17:30)
#1485
Cheers, from me too. You know I do not resist champagne. :-D
~heide
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (18:00)
#1486
Just a few more minutes, Lizza, until your birthday is over. But we're celebrating still...
Just don't have too much of that or you may wake up like this...
...which is okay, I guess, if you also wake up with this...
~heide
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (18:04)
#1487
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Lizza!
~SadieR
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (21:21)
#1488
Happy Birthday Lizza!
Good Firth haul. How long before you come back Lizza? *wink, wink*
I think you're all talented enough to start an e-greeting-card business.
A slug of booze, a box of chocolates, and THE MANY MANS HIMSELF.
*biblical reaction*
You know how to elicit all the important sentiments!
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (21:30)
#1489
Wolfie and KJArt tomorrow, the 8th! Don't forget!!!
~alyeska
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (22:14)
#1490
Happy Birthday Lizza
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (22:52)
#1491
We got your birthday Last Lizza, so here you go: It is sent in this form to protect the blossoms but it will open like Heide's and be fragrant beyond belief - WITH LOVE FROM HAWAII!
HAUOLI NA HANAU LIZZA DEAR
~KJArt
Wed, Jun 7, 2000 (23:30)
#1492
Actually, I didn't forget Lizza
(I was thinking of you all day, honest!)
but I by the time I could sit down to make your birthday post,
it was already past 4 in the morning, your time! Mea Culpa! [**beats breast**].
Well, if it's any comfort to you, I have a h*** of a backache right now, too.
Nevertheless, I will embark on a wild series of celebratory stuff, albeit apologetically !
Pssst! ... Hey there ... Lizza... over here.. I, ahem ... um ...Hi, there. I came a little late (sorry) to .. um .. wish that you, sort of, ..um ...had a neat birthday.
I hope you ended up with lots of:
: and :
That you were supplied with multitudes of:
And that wherever you were became:
AND THAT EVERYONE WISHED YOU A:
~amw
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (03:26)
#1493
Very good review for Sunshine for James Berardinelli (he who absolutely adores P&P) at http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/s/sunshine.html
~amw
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (04:52)
#1494
Great article in NY Daily News with JE & RH at http://www.nydailynews.com/today/New_York_Now/Movies/a-69202- The Sunshine promotion seems to be in full swing.
~amw
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (04:57)
#1495
sorry this is the correct URL and I also meant to say there is a very cute picture of JE & RH 25 years ago - http://www.nydailynews.com/today/New_York_Now/Movies/a-69202.asp
~Moon
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (07:10)
#1496
Happy Birthday KJ!!!
To a brilliant lady, a diamond.
KJ, Will you marry me?
~Moon
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (07:18)
#1497
Happy Birthday Wolf!
We Geminis seem to be a majority in Spring. Any political aspirations? ;-)
~patas
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (07:21)
#1498
For some reason I couldn't post on this topic yesterday or this morning either, so I am late again for a special birthday :'-(
Anyway, I wish you a
Happy belated Birthday, dear Lizza!
and I guess I'm early but
Happy Birthday, KJ!
~patas
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (07:27)
#1499
And also, of course,
Happy Birthday Wolf!
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (07:55)
#1500
Not a very good review of Sunshine in the Village Voice. No mention of Jennifer, but singles out RH and Unger.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0023/taubin.shtml
~lafn
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (08:23)
#1501
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KJ
~lafn
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (08:26)
#1502
HAPPY BIRTHDAY WOLF
~SadieR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (08:57)
#1503
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JK AND WOLF!
Tell ME Your Secret Birthday Wishes Little Girl
~SadieR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (09:00)
#1504
Darn, I'll try that again.
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (09:20)
#1505
Here's the pic you've been trying to post, Sadie. Make sure you click on "copy image location" to get the right url and it must have a .jpg or .gif ending; can't post a webpage (.html) End of lesson. ;-)
~SadieR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (09:20)
#1506
Oops, I meant to type KJ! v. sorry. And no lust-inspiring photo either! Of course, I'm assuming you are of the female gender too! Is it three strikes, then I'm out?
~SadieR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (09:27)
#1507
Thanks Karen! I know html basics, but not savvy like experienced Drool veterans.
You just opened up a whole new world for me! Poor CF!
~Tineke
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (09:53)
#1508
Happy Birthday KJ and Wolf!
~mari
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (14:43)
#1509
Happy Birthday, KJ!
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (14:43)
#1510
HAUOLI NA HANAU, WOLFIE AND KAREN
Tuberose / Lantern
Ilima
White tuberose mixed with
orange ilima blossoms.
Very fragrant.
Lei Bestowers are HIM in both cases but totally different men, of course...=)
~Tracy
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (14:47)
#1511
So many birthdays in the offing! Many congratulations to Lizza (belatedly sorry!), KJ & Wolf.
P.S. Can I allow myself a little celebration of my own? I've just been promoted ����������. The virtal drinks are on me!
~Tracy
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (14:51)
#1512
Clearly I have had several too many already *hic*. That should, of course, read virtual
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (14:52)
#1513
Yippee and applause ! Okole Maluna dear!
~catheyp
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (15:53)
#1514
Happy Birthday KJ & Wolf. I am a Gemini too so its nice to have such company.
Cheers ladies!!!
And Congratulations Tracy; well done girl.
~CherylB
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (15:59)
#1515
Happy Birthday, slightly late, Lizza. I hope it was a really good birthday. Sorry for the late greetings, but sometimes I'm such a dolt.
~CherylB
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (16:02)
#1516
KJ, have a happy and colorful birthday. I will remember next March 15 that it is the turkey vultures that return to Hinkley, not the buzzards. Happy (and buzzard -free, turkey vultures, too) Birthday!!!
~CherylB
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (16:02)
#1517
Happy Birthday, slightly late, Lizza. I hope it was a really good birthday. Sorry for the late greetings, but sometimes I'm such a dolt.
~KJArt
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (18:31)
#1518
Oooo. Neat Natal day, so far!Thanks for the two gems, Moon, I'll never hock that second one, promise! (In answer, ODB, I'd love to ... That's awfully big o' you, but wouldn't that be Big o' ME??) Gi and Evelyn, thanks for the good wishes and the additional calories in that inhabited cake (Eeep!)
Only 2 strikes, Sadie, but who's counting ... not out at all. You keep giving it that ol' college try ... I luv it!. Thanks Tineke, do I get the relics along with the goodies? Mari, thank you for your good wishes, and Marcia, I'm glad I got lei'd on my birthday, too. Tracy ..., I warned Marcia about the dangers of too much toasting ... A word to the wise...
Cheryl, my birthdays are usually vulture free, anyway, or so my past experience has informed me, but I'm grateful for the thought, anyway. If you're a fellow Gemini, do I get a chance to get a crack at you this month?**Heehee**
Thank you all for the good wishes and virtual gifts, they made for a wonderful birthday. And as for you, Wolfie .....
~KJArt
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (18:33)
#1519
Wolfie:
So we share a birthday, eh, oh fellow Gemini?
("The Twins", probably as alike as two peas in a pod, right?)
( -- Well, nurture has to come into it too, right?) You grew up to be a wolf:
(Although whether Canis lupus or Canis rufus, you never specified, I believe.)...
Whereas I had more insipid influences and became an shy puppy-dog, eager to please:
And being eager to please you, I'll make sure that this is a
proper birthday celebration,
which should include several essential elements,
one of which is music:
(You would, of course, be expected to sing along with enthusiasm:)
As would everybody else at the party ...
...(even the refreshments!)
We'd have the wherewithall to eat (well, nibble), drink and be merry...
And you'd get terribly appropriate gifts for your door...
... And in general have a good, old-fashioned birthday bash...
So that the both of us will end up with a ...
My best Birthday wishes to you, Wolfie, even if you are stealing the limelight from venerable old me ..!
(**Heehee**). KJ
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (18:37)
#1520
and thanks for the liquid libations! They were much appreciated. ;-)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Have a howling good time
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (18:40)
#1521
~KJArt
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:01)
#1522
Why thank you, [Other] Karen! I'm off ...(but not so much as you'd notice...) but I SHALL return!
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:01)
#1523
You want to me to switch to WOT? Finger painting? I'm a serious artist, KJ. Oh, I see... ;-)
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:04)
#1524
I'm all wrapped up. Can I be your present?
You do get to unwrap me ;-)
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:15)
#1525
The place is overrun!!
but we have to have cake....
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:18)
#1526
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:20)
#1527
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:21)
#1528
Best wishes on your birthday, KJ, from me and my livestock ;-)
~heide
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:27)
#1529
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Karen!
Congratulations, KJ. For this birthday you get to travel to jolly olde England...
How about a shopping spree? All you can buy...
We'll throw in a side trip to a stately home..
You never know who you might run into..
~heide
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:36)
#1530
...
Enjoy!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY WOLF!
We do indeed have a lot of Geminis. Cathey, you too?
~heide
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:37)
#1531
Let me try that again.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY WOLF!
~alyeska
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (19:46)
#1532
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to KJ and Wolf, I didn't realize that there were so many of us Gemini's here.
Congratulations on your promotion Tracy.
~sprin5
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (20:17)
#1533
KJ and Wolf, happy birthday!
~EileenG
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (21:14)
#1534
Happy Birthday to Drool's Best Artist-Analyst, KJ!
I can't post a picture but no need, am LMAO over Karen's. Finger painting? *snort*
Happy birthday, Wolf. Tracy, congrats on your promotion!
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (21:28)
#1535
OK Lucie, when is /was yours??? Not on my list!!! *waaaaaa*
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (21:57)
#1536
well, since you mentioned it ;-)
Dr KJ, I have many fears walking the streets of the city in broad daylight without wearing really ugly, ugly clothes that I pick up at the local Oxfam store and some bizarre rose-colored glasses that belonged to my sister when she was 13. And then, every once and a while, I have a strange desire to smell coffee, but that passes quickly. People seem to want me to make more of my talents, but I can't. I find that Ralph Fiennes keeps beating me to the good roles. Do you think these problems have anything to do with my horrible childhood and the rootlessness people talk about? Or was it the short pants I was forced to wear? Help me, Dr. KJ!!
~MarciaH
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (22:03)
#1537
OK Lucie, when is /was yours??? Not on my list!!! *waaaaaa*
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (22:14)
#1538
From an article in The Times about things to do if you don't want to watch football:So, once you have clarified where you can't go, focus on the places that you can. Cinemas seem a decent bet. Many, such as Warner and Odeon, are offering two-for-the-price-of-one deals during June for those desperate to escape the football, although whether you would want to see much of the slush on offer is another matter.
Studios have held back the British release dates of action movies such as Mission Impossible 2 to free up slots for "women-friendly" films which they hope will be an antidote to TV boredom during June.
A classic example is Madonna's The Next Best Thing (released June 23) in which she stars with Rupert Everett as a woman whose child is fathered by her homosexual best friend. Another Euro 2000 blockbuster is Return To Me, starring Minnie Driver, the story of a woman who has a heart transplant and falls in love with the donor's bereaved husband (released June 9).
Emma Cochrane, editor of Empire magazine, said The Next Best Thing has had its release date held back until June despite being out in the US for the past two months. Return To Me's date has been brought forward from September specifically to cash in on Euro 2000.
"It is quite a common practice to change the release dates to coincide with major events," said Ms Cochrane, whose magazine is running a two-for-one offer with Odeon. "It was done during the World Cup and Euro 96. It's the same principle with Matthew Perry's film It Takes Three To Tango. It's not a very good film but they thought they might as well chance their arm and put it out while there might be a boredom factor."
Similar reasoning, apparently, applies to Deception, starring Ben Affleck. "The film used to be called Reindeer Games and was supposed to come out at Christmas but they changed the name and are putting it out in June even though he (Affleck) wears a Santa suit," she said. Studios also have contingency plans if England are knocked out early in the tournament. A tranche of gangster films has been lined up, including the British Essex Boys.
[stuff on television...]
On the only two nights that ITV is not broadcasting football this month (June 18 and 20), it is relying on the hardy perennials of female pin-ups (Robson Green in Rhinoceros, Ross Kemp in In Defence) [now might be good time for TTOTS]******
Oh well, no mention of Colin, but how come we don't get those half-price movie tickets during the baseball or basketball playoffs?
~KJArt
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (23:27)
#1539
**Heeheeheehee**Chuckle, chuckle**GufFAWWW**titter, titter**Giggle, etc****;-D
WOW,Karen, what a tour de force!! I have tears from so much laughing (or is that drool?) Yes, I wanna unwrap that present (in the worst way, as they say) and I can put up with a small rodent invasion if they bring me baked goods and sweets. I love your livestock, too.
Heide, thanks for the virtual trip, especially the last stop and the neat Tour Guide. I think i'll go through the house and grounds twice, just to keep up with those magnificent thighs!!;-)
Thank you Lucie for your thoughts (and your mail), and Thanks also to dreuler and Eileen.
Poor man, I have to leave this machine in three minutes, but I'll need some time to diagnose your problem. See you tommorrow, therefore.
~KJArt
Thu, Jun 8, 2000 (23:27)
#1540
**Heeheeheehee**Chuckle, chuckle**GufFAWWW**titter, titter**Giggle, etc****;-D
WOW,Karen, what a tour de force!! I have tears from so much laughing (or is that drool?) Yes, I wanna unwrap that present (in the worst way, as they say) and I can put up with a small rodent invasion if they bring me baked goods and sweets. I love your livestock, too.
Heide, thanks for the virtual trip, especially the last stop and the neat Tour Guide. I think i'll go through the house and grounds twice, just to keep up with those magnificent thighs!!;-)
Thank you Lucie for your thoughts (and your mail), and Thanks also to dreuler and Eileen.
Poor man, I have to leave this machine in three minutes, but I'll need some time to diagnose your problem. See you tommorrow, therefore.
~Moon
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (07:21)
#1541
From an article in The Times about things to do if you don't want to watch football:
I know that I will be watching the EURO Cup. In fact I will be in Umbria for the final. :-D
~Tineke
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (08:05)
#1542
I know that I will be watching the EURO Cup
*groan* Football everywhere!! Guess what I had to do for my building installations exam today.....design all the sanitary installations for a football stadium. The opening game is tomorrow, you see flags everywhere. But I must confess, I think I'll watch the game too;-)
~patas
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (14:15)
#1543
(Moon)I know that I will be watching the EURO Cup.
(Tineke)I must confess, I think I'll watch the game too;-)
Same here... At least until Portugal starts losing heavily ;-(
Tracy, my compliments on your promotion. I am very glad for you :-)
~heide
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (16:17)
#1544
May I add my congratulations, Tracy, on your promotion. May you use your payraise wisely. (heheh).
Marcia, looks like we need an update on the birthday list. Didn't Cathy say she was a Gemini too?
~KJArt
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (16:28)
#1545
Sorry about that double post, especially since I hadn't intended to post then, the FIRST time and have no idea how it happened.
My congratulations to you too, TraceyKaren, I was really intrigued by that photo of ODB at 1536. I don't recall seeing it before. Is it, by any chance, from 1919? Now, Dr. KJ would like to address the problems of this seriously unhappy man:
Dr KJ, I have many fears walking the streets of the city in broad daylight without wearing
really ugly, ugly clothes that I pick up at the local Oxfam store and some bizarre
rose-colored glasses that belonged to my sister when she was 13.
Not to worry. You are probably anxious that your personal comfort will be in jeopardy during your exercise. Take comfort in the fact that you wear NEW scruffy clothes instead of old ones, which will positively impress anyone who wants to speak with you during these outings.
The last part isn't a problem, but a preference ... you want to see the world through rose-colored glasses and there's no reason why you shouldn't some of the time, as long as you take them off while indoors or during performances and business meetings.
And then, every once and a while, I have a strange desire to smell coffee, but that passes quickly.
This is a natural attempt to counter the effects of the glasses. Being 'clever and articulate' requires that you be aware of the nature of the world around you, even if you don't necessarily subscribe to all of its ongoing changes in ideas and mores.
People seem to want me to make more of my talents, but I can't.
Ah, now this is a problem of self-esteem. Firstly, humility aside, you shouldn't think of yourself as unable to do this, but rather choosing according to present circumstance, which gives you the option of reassessing choices with every decision. Secondly, you sound as if you placed a greater value on other peoples' ability to define what is best for you, rather than you yourself.
I suggest that to bolster your self-esteem you repeat daily: "Every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better at being a clever and articulate actor". Soon you will notice that other people will see these qualities in you and remark upon them.
I find that Ralph Fiennes keeps beating me to the good roles.
Oh, my. It is a great mistake to measure our progress or situation against another person's, no matter how admired. The Commandment about 'covetousness' wisely addresses this serious weakness in human nature, which leads to unhappiness and discontent (in both oneself and in one's fans) if not kept under control.
Do you think these problems have anything to do with my horrible childhood and the rootlessness people talk about? Or was it the short pants I was forced to wear? Help me, Dr. KJ!!
If, when you interact with any given group, you have feelings of being an outsider or rejected, this does not necessarily reflect the reality of the situation. If part of your sense of your identity includes a natural status of being an outsider, then the feeling will automatically arise any time you are in contact with new acquaintances.
This originally may have arisen because of the difficulties you had in attempting to assimilate into any of the new surroundings in which you often found yourself. You must not accept this as a natural or inherent quality of your personality or identity, however.
The self-esteem exercises cited above may help with this impression, but any trouble of this kind is a form of self-delusion. It should not be attributed to any past experiences (which cannot be changed), but rather must be dealt with by recognizing the fallacy of the idea itself. This, in turn, will aid you in freeing yourself of these unwelcome feelings, and give you the ability to assess any situation rationally..
To help you see the biases you have been applying to your perceptions of reality, you might try, initially, to consult the perceptions of others.
I, for instance, can inform you that there is a large population of admirers who would crawl on their knees to Moscow for the mere touch of your nether lip. Your great charm, talents, and self-effacing manner will always assure your acceptance into all but the most biased of groups (usually due to the jealousy engendered by your being so clever and articulate and gorgeous and sexy ... and
.. Oh!, Ohhh! (****a crash and sounds of a struggle****)
(Dr. KJ has been disbarred...)
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (18:53)
#1546
LOL KJ!! Again, you rise to meet the challenge. Is Ann Landers retiring soon? You gotta apply for that job or Dr. Laura Schlesinger's.
Yes, the picture is from 1919, as Alexander (Colin) is unburdening himself to Dr. Freud. And we know we don't need Sigmund, when we got you. ;-)
~wolf
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (19:13)
#1547
there really are a lot of us gemini's huh? the more the merrier, i'd say and we'd never get bored!!
thank you for honoring me with your party and i'm proud to be in the company of all these twins!!!!!!
~nan
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (20:53)
#1548
Oh geez!! I missed a whole load of birthdays. Shame on me for not checking the topic sooner! :-(
So, to Marcia and Heide and Lizza and KJArt and Wolf...most wonder belated birthdays to all of you! ;-) I'll make sure to keep checking this topic in the future. Bad Nan!
~nan
Fri, Jun 9, 2000 (20:58)
#1549
That should be "wonderful" NOT "wonder"...OY!
~MarciaH
Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (00:46)
#1550
Welcome back dear, and thanks for your good wishes. I somehow came to be keeper of the Birthday list as well as all of the Keepsake ones (you should check some of those! We got pretty naughty...*grin*)
~CherylB
Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (09:25)
#1551
Wolf, I'm sorry I missed wishing you a happy birthday. Hope you had a day worth howling about.
I'm not a Gemini, KJ; but I am another air sign, Aquarius. My birthday is in January.
Congratulations on you're becoming a woman of wealth Tracy. If you're not quite wealthy yet, congrats on the promotion.
~KJArt
Sat, Jun 10, 2000 (17:50)
#1552
Sorry about the confusion, Cheryl. I meant Cathey but neglected to type in her name attached to the inquiry. Dumb! **hits side of head**
Cathey, you and Lucie have been bragging about a Gemini connection. So drop the other shoe, already! ...
Marcia, have either of them fessed up yet? The suspense is killing me! ;-) KJ
~alyeska
Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (18:30)
#1553
Marcia, have either of them fessed up yet?
Marcia mine is the day before yours.
~catheyp
Sun, Jun 11, 2000 (22:13)
#1554
KJ, my day has been and gone - 30 May; but I am still a Gemini ;-)
~KarenR
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (09:29)
#1555
To Lucie and Cathey
Hope your birthdays were very happy!!
~Moon
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (10:03)
#1556
Lucie and Cathey, you two have the same birthdate! Welcome geminis!
Happy Belated Birthday!
~SadieR
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (15:07)
#1557
Late Again . . .
Warm birthday wishes to Lucie and Cathey
Karen, you are hilarious! And KJ loved your analysis!
Thought I'd offer a lurid Freudian perspective:
I have many fears walking the streets of the city in broad daylight without wearing really ugly, ugly clothes that I pick up at the local Oxfam store and some bizarre rose-colored glasses that belonged to my sister when she was 13.
Clearly I desire to ride y--, I mean, clearly you desire to ride your horse. You are afraid of the lurid sexual impulses beating in your, er, broad, chest, and so wish to appear ugly, scholarly, and pure (hence the fetish attachment to your sister's rose-colored! glasses). This is nothing but a form of defensive identification resulting from your extreme displaced hostility towards your characterization, Mr. Darcy, who you have come to loathe as bad , because he symbolically embodies your actual id .
I do not see any evidence of an incestuous attraction towards your sister however: That would be sick! (AND,is better left to the fantasy realm of film . . .as opposed to the real world of fan site psychoanalysts). I suggest you gratify yourself and your fans by stealing your Darcy clothes back from that costume museum and erecting . . .in Chinese Astrology, I am a Horse. . .the role, yes, I mean the role, once more . Ridin' a horse through the fields of England wouldn't hurt either!
And then, every once and a while, I have a strange desire to smell coffee, but that passes quickly. People seem to want me to make more of my talents, but I can't. I find that Ralph Fiennes keeps beating me to the good roles. Do you think these problems have anything to do with my horrible childhood and the rootlessness people talk about? Or was it the short pants I was forced to wear? Help me. . .
Nothing has to do with your horrible childhood, but rather the extreme repression of your unconscious sexual impulses which began in childhood and continues with each psychotic, witty, sardonic, and clever character role you insist on playing. You will never play really well, until you discover the latent meaning of your uncontrollable desire to smell coffee. The fact that you feel beaten by Ralph Fiennes (my oh my, what a giveaway!) would suggest that the coffee is really just symbolic of your longing to be recognized as your true id, the sex-God, Mr. Darcy. . .
... who smelled of horses, and carried a very spiffy riding crop, with fullblown phallic potential. . . some boots . . . I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten what I was saying.
Hmmm, oh yes, your revealing choice of the words "rootlessness" and "short pants" is a further indication that unless you bring Mr.Darcy into consciousness, free of all superego constraints, you will continue to defend against your sex-God impulses through an infantile expression of yourself in the form of mast**batory characters, whom you claim to desire to play. BUT, your sense of "rootlessness" clearly illustrates that such avoidance is really just a self-imposed emasculation of your true sex-God nature, as a defense against the sort of castration anxiety arising, arising yes. . .horsey, play horesy? whoresy?...where was I? Oh yes, arising from the fact that all men hate Mr.Darcy, and all women would kill to make him morning coffee before he wanders off in those tight breeches, riding crop in hand, to find his true horse.
~Lizza
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (16:08)
#1558
WHOOPS X 1,000!!!
KJ can you forgive me?
I go away for a few days and miss all the fun, including your birthday.
To DROOL'S FIRST LADY OF ART, BELATED GREETINGS.
Hope you had a fabulous time befitting your artistic talents.
Maybe ODB let you sketch him for real.......!
Thanks to Marcia, Heide et al for your special wishes too.
Lucie and Cathey, belated greetings to fellow geminians.
~Moon
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (16:35)
#1559
LOL, Sadie!
Congratulations to Gi, Portugal beat England 3-2!
Tineke for Belgium s win and myself for Italy! EURO Cup so far has been a lot of fun. :-)
~patas
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (16:53)
#1560
Moon, I thought I'd e-mail you about this... so as not to offend anyone else ;-)
~lafn
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (17:39)
#1561
Sadie..."you should publish".
your extreme displaced hostility towards your
characterization, Mr. Darcy, who you have come to loathe as bad , because he
symbolically embodies your actual id .
You might have something there ;-)
~~~~~
Moon, if your're going to the Euro Cup finals, I hope you bring a helmet. I don't want to see you being carried off on CNN.
~CherylB
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (17:54)
#1562
Lucie and Cathey, hope you each had a wonderful birthday. How apropos, to dual birthday wish to Geminis. Have a great year, each of you.
Sadie, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Then again, sometimes not.
~KJArt
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (18:01)
#1563
Sadie: Re: Lurid Freudian Perpective --
Lurid is right! But exactly *whose* id are you examining here?? **Heehee**
(Lizza) Maybe ODB let you sketch him for real.......!
Mmmmmm. I can dream, can't I?
Cathey and Lucie: Better Belated than never.
hAPPY BIRTHDAY TO DA BOATAYUZ
~Moon
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (18:01)
#1564
Moon, if your're going to the Euro Cup finals, I hope you bring a helmet. I don't want to see you being carried off on CNN.
Thanks for your concern, Evelyn. I make it a rule to avoid large gatherings. I will see the final in Umbria. It will be at our hotel in Todi, on a hill, overlooking a beautiful sunset, with a wonderfully cool breeze and D.O.C. grappa. The owners' son (v. handsome, BTW), sets a giant screen by the pool, some of his friends arrive from Rome and we all have a jolly good time. We did this 2 years ago for the World Cup too. Of course, if Mr. & Mrs. Firth showed up, I would have a v. hard time concentrating on the game. ;-)
~alyeska
Mon, Jun 12, 2000 (18:07)
#1565
Thanks to everyone for the birthday greetings, they are much appreciated.
~amw
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (05:03)
#1566
I have just read that Jerry Hall is to take over from Katheleen Turner, when he run in The Graduate finishes in July, I didn't know Jerry Hall acted!!
~KarenR
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (07:44)
#1567
She doesn't. Just shows how "serious" a production that is. ;-)
~patas
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (07:52)
#1568
(KJ)Cathey and Lucie: Better Belated than never.
Ditt!
(Moon) I will see the final in Umbria. It will be at our hotel in Todi(...)
That sounds lovely :-)
~KarenR
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (07:52)
#1569
Interesting interview with Istvan Szabo in IndieWire. Says Sunshine was originally written to be a miniseries on German TV and then was rewritten as a shorter English-language feature film:
http://www.indiewire.com/film/interviews/int_Szabo_Istvan_000612.html
~lafn
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (09:12)
#1570
Thanks Karen....Glad they didn't make" Sunshine" a German mini-series ...hard enough to see it now. Besides, I doubt RF would have appeared on German television.
Interesting to see that he's referring to "Jennifer Ehle, "The Real Thing"..."
dropping the P&P connection.
~Tineke
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (09:30)
#1571
Moon, about tomorrow night, I want you to know that no matter what the outcome is, I'll still talk to you! LOL!
GO BELGIUM!!!
BTW, I add my congrats to Portugal. The game Portugal-England was the best game of the Euro Cup so far.
~patas
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (11:30)
#1572
Thank you Tineke... Those guys did us proud.
I only saw a little of the first part of the Belgium-Sweden game, because I was working on Saturday, and missed the best parts.
~Moon
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (12:49)
#1573
Moon, about tomorrow night, I want you to know that no matter what the outcome is, I'll still talk to you!
LOL, Tineke! I will remember it is only a game. ;-)
Forza Italia!
~mari
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (13:25)
#1574
(Evelyn) Interesting to see that he's referring to "Jennifer Ehle, "The Real Thing"..." dropping the P&P connection.
Yes, she's moved on and achieved more; Lizzie will always be a signature role for her, but from now on she'll be referred to as "Tony-winner Jennifer Ehle." (Until the Oscar, of course.;-) If somebody we know wants to divest himself of association with a certain other signature role . . .then find a role that is at least its equal, as JE has done. And it doesn't happen by haunting the margins.:-(
~KarenR
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (13:29)
#1575
then find a role that is at least its equal, as JE has done. And it doesn't happen by haunting the margins.:-(
oooooweeeee!!
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (14:40)
#1576
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (14:42)
#1577
That lei is legal tender from the USA treasury for our periptetic Moon.
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (14:44)
#1578
HAUOLI NA HANAU, MOON
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (14:45)
#1579
Just a little reminder....Tomorrow we deck the Moon!
~lafn
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (15:04)
#1580
....then find a role that is at least its equal, as JE has done. And it doesn't happen by haunting the margins.:-(
Or...godferbid..another TV role.
Unless, of course,if it's a series...now there's a thought..."Cracker" or "Tutti Frutti"... and then he could be like Robbie Coltrane!!
Good characteractor does work in TV, films and stage. Hey, that's a goal to shoot for...;-)
~EileenG
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (15:07)
#1581
(KJ) hAPPY BIRTHDAY TO DA BOATAYUZ
You from Brooklyn? Watsamattaforyou? :-D
Let me add my belated birthday greetings, Cathey and Lucie. Have we missed anyone else?
Alexander's session with Dr. Freud was too funny, Karen. Loved your response, KJ. Would also add this Rx: cross Upper Street at least daily.
~catheyp
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (16:04)
#1582
Thanks for the birthday wishes everyone. Makes me feel special all over again :-)
~heide
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (19:44)
#1583
Oh, I'm very, very late.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Lucie!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Cathey!
Hope your birthdays were lovely.
Sadie, you had me rolling...
The fact that you feel beaten by Ralph Fiennes (my oh my, what a giveaway!) would suggest that the coffee is really just symbolic of your longing to be recognized as your true id, the sex-God, Mr. Darcy. . .
This opens up so many possibilities for analyses of all of Colin's characters (and so many could have used professional help). Can you just imagine Mr. Darcy himself on the couch? Reclining? Horizontal? Hmm, better not go there or at least take myself over to Darcy Drool.
~KarenR
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (20:26)
#1584
Steadman and Spall with their OBEs. Doesn't she look good? :)
~KJArt
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (20:45)
#1585
(KJ) hAPPY BIRTHDAY TO DA BOATAYUZ
(Eileen) -- You from Brooklyn? Watsamattaforyou? :-D
No, but I'm working on it with this dialog coach ... ;-D KJ
~KarenR
Tue, Jun 13, 2000 (22:39)
#1586
~SadieR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (00:36)
#1587
Karen, you make dazzling postings that leave my html and pic-finding skills in the dust!
Found it v. scary that fellow droolers suddenly turned from serious pursuit of virtual lusting to discuss sports:Watsamattaforyou? Just bloody kidding. :-D
Moon, your trip does sound divine!
(Heide)Can you just imagine Mr. Darcy himself on the couch? Reclining? Horizontal? Hmm, better not go there or at least take myself over to Darcy Drool.
Oh Heide, you're giving me ideas! We need more people over at Darcy Drool too. *Hint,hint* It's been far too quiet for my id . (You're v. perceptive KJ, my id interrupts even the most serious analysis! :-D )
Marcia, when do I get a lei? Ah c'mon, do I have to wait 'til my b-day?
BTW,"Haunting the Margins" is just begging to be a fan-fic title! So go to it, all you authors who have been lazing about, depriving us of more drool experiences.
~SadieR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (01:17)
#1588
Pssst, Moon
I'm bussing it to Umbria (alone!). I'll be waiting for you, so be quick about it.
[Several days later]See you, right about...
~MarkG
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (03:08)
#1589
Happy Birthday, Moon
Also belated happy birthdays to Lucie and Cathey.
Also belated congratulations on her pay-raise to Tracy. What class are you now, Tracy? :-)
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (07:52)
#1590
Good morning, Moon. Care to join me in a little birthday shower?
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (08:04)
#1591
Good morning, Karen, may I inquire as to whom I will be showering with? ;-)
LOL, Sadie! Of course, we can not expect a lower middle class chap to show up in an Alpha. I hope he fixes that bus soon. The game will be starting shortly. ;-)
Thanks, Mark! (We still do not know your birthday)
Marcia, you know I love to start the day with a lei. It is quite beautiful, thank you!
Now, back to the shower...
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (08:13)
#1592
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOON!!!!
The referee:
What am I doing here? I should have watched it on a big screen in Umbria. Hmm...perhaps that's what I'll do for the final.
Tineke
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (08:15)
#1593
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (08:28)
#1594
(Moon) may I inquire as to whom I will be showering with? ;-)
Pish-tosh! Does it really matter? Oh, well, here's a hint:
Click here and we'll sing *this* in the shower
(hope this works) If not, I've got another post-shower clue. ;-)
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (08:34)
#1595
Oh, Moon, the opportunity of a lifetime (if you know what I mean):
Janeane Garofalo...will segue to the project after starring in the indie feature "The Search for John Gissing" for writer-director Mike Binder ("Indian Summer"), scheduled to go before cameras July 1 in London.
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (08:47)
#1596
Thanks, Tineke! He is the cutest referee (a bit overdressed, though, 'Wardrobe to the rescue!') ;-)))
may I inquire as to whom I will be showering with? ;-)
(Karen), Pish-tosh! Does it really matter?
Well... yeah! Have not been able to sing in the shower yet, but I hope to find either, CF, JN, DL or JP. I would be scared to take one with RE. ;-)
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (08:50)
#1597
"The Search for John Gissing" for writer-director Mike Binder ("Indian Summer"), scheduled to go before cameras July 1 in London.
Oh, Moon, the opportunity of a lifetime (if you know what I mean):
I do indeed! Will get plans started. :-D
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (08:56)
#1598
That shower was sooo good
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (09:14)
#1599
Thanks for last night, mi cara gnocchi! Can I not tempt you into the shower?
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (09:29)
#1600
Jude, darling! You must go back to being a blond if you want to keep taking showers together. ;-)
Now who are you jumping on my bed? Alcohol units 10 v.v.bad and I still have the bottle of Dom Perignon!
~lafn
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:17)
#1601
BUON COMPLEANO, MOON
For lolling around South Beach...or poolside at the Hotel Todi...
I'm partial to one piece suits
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:18)
#1602
Who? You can feign hangover, but I shall not forget last night, mi bellisima orecchiette... Or is your DH hovering nearby?
In any event, I shall be waiting for you in the shower
~EileenG
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:25)
#1603
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MOON!
Have you dumped Rupie for Jude? How sad! Last I checked, Rupie was donning his chains and looking forward to another meeting in a revolving door.
Cheers. *clink clink* Have a great day!
~EileenG
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:29)
#1604
Ahh, here's Rupie (BTW, Karen, what's next, 'mi bellisima ziti'? :-D). Ooh, goody, saying the rosary will give you something to do in the shower, Moon.
~mari
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:34)
#1605
FELICE COMPLEANNO, CARA LUNA!!
Or, as they say in my son's fave book as a toddler: "Happy Birthday, Moon!"
BUT--with so many perfectly good Playmaker snappies floating around, I can't figure out why anyone would want you to take a "doccia" with these other guys!;-)
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:37)
#1606
In case the game isn't all that entertaining...
Dumped him? Heavens, no. He has set aside today to be with his favorite little tortellini
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:39)
#1607
Hey, that's hand play!! LOL
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:40)
#1608
with so many perfectly good Playmaker snappies floating around
The only one I have is *not* postable here. Besides, Moon absolutely hates that movie. (I saw much to admire!) And will take donations of *all* Playmaker snappies floating around. ;-)
~SadieR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:47)
#1609
And Moon, just be glad the man in the shower doesn't answer to the name "Lester"! Hey Jude, don't be afraid . . .
Tracy, amidst all this Birthday drunkenness over the last week, I forgot to congradulate you on your ascent: Way to go!
~EileenG
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:47)
#1610
And will take donations of *all* Playmaker snappies floating around. ;-)
Does she want 'em on the rocks or straight up? ;-D
~SadieR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:50)
#1611
Karen baaaby, won't you please post that Firthodelic for us? Show us how a real shower is done, baaaby!
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:56)
#1612
Ladies, Rupi is waiting in the shower, but I am scared to go in there with him. Something to do with chains. When the h... is Colin going to rescue me? Is he still in Wardrobe?
Grazie, Mari! You are quite right my dear. ;-D
Thanks, Evelyn! I always say, "don't leave home without them" (servants that is ;-) How did you know? Now if only we could get that model in the bathing suit to take a shower with Rupi while I wait in bed for ODB?! ;-)
Karen, those soccer babies are hysterical!
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (10:59)
#1613
Eileen), Does she want 'em on the rocks or straight up? ;-D
Sunny side up, please! :-D
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (11:00)
#1614
I am being dragged to the shower... later... hmm...
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (11:01)
#1615
Now, if I could only my little conchiglie would join me, the day would be perfecto... *put some shoulder into it, Tommy*
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (11:11)
#1616
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (11:12)
#1617
Don't try to pretend that you prefer that that that...cornuto...to me, mi cara capellini
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (11:41)
#1618
It's pretty hard to be Birthday List keeper when I only know some of them, but here goes for that belated and * stringing the blossoms on kite string today because you ladies are gonna get that high*...
Sadie, Cathey, Lucie, and all those lurking who have had birthdays and I did not know it, my best ones to you - FLOWN IN FRESH !
Braided Pikake
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (11:42)
#1619
*sigh* I did arrange them side by side.....but....*sigh*
~SadieR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (11:48)
#1620
I'm impressed that you can post them! Thanks, I feel much more ... relaxed.
Psst, Check drool board for important profile alert.
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (11:58)
#1621
which is "drool board'??? hunting feverishly....
~MarciaH
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (12:03)
#1622
*Hawaiian hugs* come with those leis from me and CF to place them on you and bestow the kiss, of course! Only the best for the best ladies on Earth
~wolf
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (12:37)
#1623
this is great!! love the use of the pix, you ladies are soooo creative!
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (13:10)
#1624
(Moon) Now if only we could get that model in the bathing suit to take a shower with Rupi while I wait in bed for ODB?! ;-)
It appears to be very crowded right now... Will call you when some space frees up ;-)
~mari
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (14:32)
#1625
Wow, there's Colin and Meg and Milos and John and Yoko . . .;-)
All we are SAAAAAY-ing . . . is give peace a chance . . .:-)
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (14:47)
#1626
That was some shower! Rupi is tanning by the pool.
Karen, is it so very bad to prefer the cornuto to him? The bed does appear to be crowded, I have sent the servants by the pool. ;-)
half time Italy 1 Belgium O
~Tracy
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (15:20)
#1627
~Tracy
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (15:26)
#1628
Let me just clarify a point..I didn't get my promotion for my computing skills!
*trying again*
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (15:31)
#1629
Have arranged for a few refreshments to be served in your honor:
and to help it all go down...
plus you get to keep the champagne bucket. Thought you might like it. ;-)
~Tracy
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (15:32)
#1630
Ahhh! Success.
Many thanks to all for their best wishes on my advancement and hope you enjoyed the virtual beers ..have just spent last three days on v boring software testing course followed by v harrowing exam (the revision for which was not helped by the emotional turmoil of the footie on Monday)..can I go back to being a pleb please?
Mark......do we really want to stir up that hornet's nest again?? I'll settle for lower, lower middle (not that I'm sitting on the fence at all);-D
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (15:33)
#1631
~catheyp
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (15:44)
#1632
Happy Birthday Moon. I hope you have marvellous day.
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (15:45)
#1633
Rupe is sending these along. Says that they do better than chains and will show you later...privately
I picked these necklaces out for you, as nothing at BVLGARI struck my fancy this year:
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (15:55)
#1634
Well Moon, didn't we just give you a nice birthday present?
*sulk sulk*
Well played, Italy!
*sulk sulk*
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (16:12)
#1635
Thanks, Tineke! How about some champagne?
Karen, you know my taste! I adore pearls and that Bulgari necklace will be on my neck tonight, thank you!
Tracy, what a beautiful card, thank you! I bet you have a fun job.
I am having a marvelous day, Cathey, and it is only just beginning. :-)
~EileenG
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (16:35)
#1636
(Karen, speaking for Rupie) Says that they do better than chains and will show you later...privately
Hee hee!
*imagine pic of Geoffrey in all his tuxedoed splendor here*
Birthday greetings from your husband's favorite cuckold!
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (17:04)
#1637
I'm going to swing by and pick you up for dinner, mi cara farfalle. Nothing fancy, but be sure to wear that little bauble I gave you last night...
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (17:08)
#1638
*hee hee*
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (17:12)
#1639
Goodness, that bauble has Titanic written all over it! I wonder if Joaquin Pheonix is in second class? I think I am going to have to ask Madonna how she managed to rid herself of Rupi.
LOL, Eileen! I am so happy Geoffrey finally made it! Portami via Geoffrey!
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (18:15)
#1640
Could we possibly have a party for Moon without Geoffrey's rendition of "Happy Birthday to You":
(thanks to Murph's animated gif)
~KJArt
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (18:36)
#1641
MOON'S BIRTHDAY IS HERE!!
With all these men hanging around and up to my ankles in drool, I'm feeling rather catty right now... BUT ...
Cats have rather sensitive nervous systems, you know, and can get excessively excited at important events...
When there is a party in the offing ...
...With lots of goodies to be had...
...pussycats, especially big ones, tend to get OVEREXCITED, particularly when welcoming guests to a birthday bash...
[...and I DO mean bash!!!...], but it's all in a good cause...
...We're just trying to wish Moon
-- ;-) KJ
~alyeska
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (19:39)
#1642
Happy Birthday moon, may it be the best one ever.
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (22:01)
#1643
Karen, you know how much Geoffrey means to me, thank you! It has been a great party. Yummy food, myself included today: gnocchi, capellini... I have lost count. ;-) Wonderful champagne, *hic* (I do not know how Bridget does it), *hic* v.v.b.
Beautiful gifts, and heartfelt wishes, thank you!
Lucie, I have a feeling it is going to be a great year, thank you!
KJ, that pussycat has given me quite a work out, and I am wearing a gown!!! LOL! Thank you, Geminis Rock!
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (22:06)
#1644
Evelyn and I decided that who needs birthday cake when you can have:
La Terza Gamba
Enjoy!!
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (22:16)
#1645
You two!!! LOL! Love it! Mr. Darcy did start it all. Grazie! Quella terza gamba e bellissima!
Note to Karen: Rupi and I had a big fight, it is over! Got that, over!
How about some more champagne? *hic*
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (22:37)
#1646
~Moon
Wed, Jun 14, 2000 (23:00)
#1647
Do not be sad, Karen, you know how much I admire DL. ;-)
Have some more champagne before I finish the bottle. *hic*
~Tineke
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (03:38)
#1648
From The Times
Mendes in warning on lure of
glamour
BY LAURA PEEK
THE director who brought a naked Nicole Kidman to the
London stage has criticised the trend for glamorous
Hollywood stars to tread the boards in Britain.
Sam Mendes said that the theatre was in danger of being
"held hostage by the lure of glamour", and he cautioned
directors against relying on such sensational publicity
stunts.
Mr Mendes, who brought Miss Kidman to the Donmar
Warehouse last year for a performance in The Blue Room
described as theatrical Viagra, was speaking after the
announcement that Jerry Hall was to replace Kathleen
Turner in The Graduate at the Gielgud Theatre.
~Tineke
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (03:39)
#1649
But he said he did not have that in mind at the time. "My
comments were solely about ensuring that British theatre is
not held hostage by the lure of glamour every time it opens
its doors."
Mr Mendes told the Covent Garden Community
Association that he had been inundated with offers from
Hollywood stars after the success of The Blue Room, for
which Miss Kidman was paid �250 a week. "Brad Pitt,
along with others, offered. But the problem is that theatre
must not only be an event. We can put every show on the
front page of newspapers, but what happens then?
"The majority of nights at the theatre tend to be a bit
disappointing, but when it works it stays with you for a
lifetime. This is why we do what we do, because you can't
reach up in the video shop and pull the play down."
The success of The Blue Room not only brought calls
from Hollywood actors, it also brought Mr Mendes to the
attention of Steven Spielberg who offered him the chance
to direct American Beauty. The film was a box office hit
and won five Oscars, including one for Mr Mendes.
Miss Hall, better known for her modelling and marriage
than her acting ability, beat competition from Hollywood
stars including Melanie Griffith, Sharon Stone and Farrah
Fawcett to win the Mrs Robinson role in The Graduate.
But Mr Mendes said last night that he was not criticising
The Graduate when he spoke on Tuesday. "I never once
mentioned Jerry Hall."
~fitzwd
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (05:11)
#1650
(Tineke) Mr Mendes told the Covent Garden Community Association that he had been inundated with offers from Hollywood stars after the success of The Blue Room, for which Miss Kidman was paid �250 a week.
When Stephen Dillane won the Variety Club Award for TRT, he thanked the Donmar for paying him the same salary that they paid Nicole Kidman. It got a big laugh.
~lafn
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (08:58)
#1651
(Moon)Quella terza gamba e bellissima!
Long Live La Terza Gamba ;-))
Karen...your best ever...have an idea this belongs on Darcy Drool
~~~~~
Miss Hall, better known for her modelling and marriage
than her acting ability, beat competition from Hollywood
stars including Melanie Griffith, Sharon Stone and Farrah
Fawcett to win the Mrs Robinson role in The Graduate
Melanie Griffith...ROTF, ha, ha, ha,...they'll have to teach her how to read first.
~Moon
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (12:57)
#1652
Sam Mendes said that the theatre was in danger of being
"held hostage by the lure of glamour", and he cautioned
directors against relying on such sensational publicity
stunts.
That is ironic coming from him. He is planning on having Nicole and Tom together in the future, doing Shakespeare. Plus he did start it with NK in The Blue Room.
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (15:27)
#1653
The last part I definitely agree with [;-)] but the rumor about Tom and Nicole turned out to be *just* that - a rumor and I think Cat on a Hot Tin Roof was the play???
~lafn
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (16:01)
#1654
From Theatre Net:
...... Bernadette Peters will make her West End debut next summer in
Gypsy, which Sam Mendes has been approached to direct.
This guy has more offers than RF!!
I guess Bernadette Peters feels she's the next Ethel Merman....I just saw her in Annie Get Your Gun ...which was also rumored to go to the West End.
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (16:54)
#1655
(not my usual thing...but I nearly fell off my chair when I saw the cover of last Friday's ES magazine...)
For all you Euro 2000 people, I've posted a pic of Keith Allen on #61. There used to be sports figure drool topic, but it seems to have evaporated. I'll take it down in a couple of days. ;-)
~heide
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (18:41)
#1656
Boo hoo! I could not get away to post on your birthday, Moon. You know I wish you a wonderful birthday!
Looks like you were properly feted. I haven't stopped laughing yet. After all that excess, I figured what you needed was a good cup of coffee so I was going to give you this coffeemaker..
but then since it is your birthday, maybe I'll be nice and lend you my very own coffeemaker..
It's always hot and steamy when he makes it.
~Moon
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (18:49)
#1657
Thank you, Heide! I admit I did feel like Bridget this morning v.v.b. but you know me and champagne. Colin does make one frothy cap... hmm...
~alyeska
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (20:45)
#1658
I received this card today from my sister who is visiting in Australia
This is the year to celebrate the "furniture" birthday.
When your chest falls into your drawers.
~lafn
Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (21:32)
#1659
The power of a Tony Award...
The JE website has had 3,000 hits since Tony Sunday!!
~Tineke
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (01:06)
#1660
Congrats Italy, the first country to be certain of going to the quarterfinals.
All we need is a draw against Turkey and we'll be in the next round as well.
Tineke
~Moon
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (08:29)
#1661
Thank you, Tineke! We did get lucky, I hope the luck continues.
Good luck with Turkey.
~lafn
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (08:33)
#1662
I bet Colin is thrilled....I'm rooting for Italy, cause that's his part-time-country.
~Moon
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (08:39)
#1663
Evelyn repeat after me, Forza Italia! :-)
~Tineke
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (09:49)
#1664
Italy wasn't just lucky, Italy played very well. We could played for another 100 years, we still wouldn't have made a goal. Italy's defense was just too strong.
Evelyn, England's in the tournament as well, you know. Why not root for them?
~amw
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (10:23)
#1665
I will!!
~patas
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (13:41)
#1666
Moon, I'm impardonably late for your birthday :-(
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry...
I guess there's only one thing I can do - have Figo play in Italy next year.
Happy Belated Birthday, Moon!
~lafn
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (13:57)
#1667
(Tineke)Evelyn, England's in the tournament as well, you know. Why not root for them?
(Ann)I will!!
Pardone moi.....but it's not my fault;-)...I only know what people tell me on this board and you told me England lost to Portugal.
(Moon)Evelyn repeat after me, Forza Italia! :-)
La Terza Gamba
Sorry I can't get that out of my head;-)
~EileenG
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (13:58)
#1668
(Evelyn) Melanie Griffith...ROTF, ha, ha, ha,...they'll have to teach her how to read first.
Pffftttt! Actually, I heard she didn't get the part because the audience would be too distracted by the size of her lips, which are bigger than her bosom.
Meeeooowww! Hiss! Hiss!
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (14:08)
#1669
Couple of ways to go on this one:
(a la Donna) which ones?
(me) Why? Did she have her implants removed?
Let me out of this litterbox
~EileenG
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (14:14)
#1670
(Karen) (a la Donna) which ones?
Uppers ;-P (or shall I say ;-B?)
(me) Why? Did she have her implants removed?
Naah. Though have heard of major west-coast silicone shortage--seems it occurred after Cher, Dolly Parton and Melanie went to see their plastic surgeons all on the same day.
~SadieR
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (14:35)
#1671
(Evelyn) Melanie Griffith...ROTF, ha, ha, ha,...they'll have to teach her how to read first.
(Eileen) Pffftttt! Actually, I heard she didn't get the part because the audience would be too distracted by the size of her lips, which are bigger than her bosom.
Meeeooowww! Hiss! Hiss!
(Karen)Why? Did she have her implants removed?
*chuckle* Now I know I'm in the right virtual discussion! Can't stand her! What is a wild woman to do when little girls with big implants keep giving the Female Soul a bum wrap (hmmm? was that a Freudian slip?) I'm just ahowlin' at the moon! *big premordial sound*
~Moon
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (15:42)
#1672
I'm just ahowlin' at the moon!
I hear you. ;-)
Thanks, Gi! I accept Figo graciously. Did you know that in Italian when one says sei figo, you are figo, it means you are hot/happening/cool/right on! So you see, sono figa. :-D
Yes, Tineke, we are very happy with the way Italy is playing. Evelyn the EURO is played like a tournament. They have to play each team in the section to gather the sufficient points to advance. So far the games have been fun!
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (16:17)
#1673
Winstone and Mendes team up in West End
Screen actor Ray Winstone has turned down several lucrative film offers to appear in a �300-a-week theatre job at the Donmar Warehouse in September.
The reason? The man directing the play is Oscar-winner Sam Mendes.
Mendes believes Nick Whitby's To The Green Fields Beyond, is one of the best plays he has ever read.
Winstone, whose recent movies include Nil By Mouth, The War Zone and Love, Honour and Obey, has never appeared in the West End before, although he has been in plays at the National and the Royal Court.
~lafn
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (16:27)
#1674
I tried to buy the play this morning...not published yet..but based on the out-of-print novel
To the Green Fields Beyond:
the story of 6th Australian Division Cavalry Commandos
by Shawn Hamilton O'Leary
Would have been a good one for ODB.
~amw
Fri, Jun 16, 2000 (18:21)
#1675
Dame Julie Andrews is on The Arts Programme with Sheridan Morley, Radio 2 10.30pm next Friday, 23rd June, same day as RV goes on general release.
~Tracy
Sat, Jun 17, 2000 (04:37)
#1676
The Queen's Birthday Honours List is announced today:
The list appears very populist this year with many awards going to those in the entertainment field including Sam Mendes who has been awarded the CBE and Michael Caine who has been awarded a knighthood. Arise Sir Michael!
For article see:
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/frontpage.html?1032133
~patas
Sat, Jun 17, 2000 (06:21)
#1677
(Moon)Did you know that in Italian when one says sei figo, you are figo, it means you are hot/happening/cool/right on! So you see, sono figa. :-D
Non lo sapevo... And neither probably does he. Someone must tell him.
And yes, you *are*:-)
~patas
Sat, Jun 17, 2000 (06:24)
#1678
Sir Michael Caine is going to find it difficult to raise class issues again ;-)
~CherylB
Sat, Jun 17, 2000 (09:48)
#1679
I have been remiss in missing sending you timely birthday felicitations Moon. Please accept belated wishes for a happy birthday and the best possible year.
Have you yet recovered from your birthday excertions? Colin Firth, Jude Law, Rupert Everett, fine food, excellent wine, and you got leied too! I was just wondering after your shower with RE; did he sing this line to you -- "You taught a new kind of love to me." I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Congratulations on your team winning.
~Moon
Sat, Jun 17, 2000 (11:07)
#1680
Thank you, Cheryl! I am still in the party spirit. hard not to be after my big bash.
did he sing this line to you -- "You taught a new kind of love to me."
Nice of you to ask. After I set him straight (blushing),
I am sure he will be dating others, so we might not see him again. ;-)
~lafn
Sat, Jun 17, 2000 (12:19)
#1681
Sam Mendes who has been awarded the CBE
Beeeg year for Sam...Oscar, Tony for a Donmar play and a CBE.
Does he just add CBE after his surname or does one call him , Hiz Honor?
~patas
Sun, Jun 18, 2000 (05:28)
#1682
AnnW, MarkG, and others rooting for England in the Euro 2000 tournament: congratulations on your win. As my DH puts it, England seems to be responsible for two of the three more exciting games so far :-)
~amw
Sun, Jun 18, 2000 (08:20)
#1683
Thankyou Gi, I am so ashamed of our so-called Supporters though, thoug of course, they aren't supporters! and spoil the good name of the real supporters.
~Moon
Sun, Jun 18, 2000 (15:50)
#1684
If England ends up in second place of their group, they will play against Italy in the quarterfinals. And it looks as if it will happen. That will be a direct confrontation because the loser goes home. Colin will have a tough time with that one.
~amw
Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (08:31)
#1685
I see Jennifer is in the new Who's Who (2001) along with Cate Blanchett & Joseph Feinnes etc. Is Colin already in it?
~amw
Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (08:32)
#1686
according to today's Electronic Telegraph.
~KarenR
Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (10:11)
#1687
(AnnW) I see Jennifer is in the new Who's Who (2001) along with Cate Blanchett & Joseph Feinnes etc. Is Colin already in it?
only marginally ;-)
~luvvy
Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (13:07)
#1688
re: Response 1652 of 1687: Moon Dreams (Moon) * Thu, Jun 15, 2000 (12:57) * 5 lines
Sam Mendes said that the theatre was in danger of being
"held hostage by the lure of glamour", and he cautioned
directors against relying on such sensational publicity
stunts.
That is ironic coming from him. He is planning on having Nicole and Tom together in the future, doing Shakespeare. Plus he did start it with NK in The Blue Room.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
NO, HE ISN'T. Nor is he bringing Tom and Nicole to do "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof". This was some hack's idea of dream casting, but not Sam's. He had to call Cruise and Kidman and apologize profusely, promising that the idea (which he does not see as having any casting merit anyway) did NOT originate with the Donmar staff. This is first hand information from well up in the Donmar organization.
I would also point out that that Nicole was not the first example of Hollywood star casting in the West End (e.g. Dustin Hoffman as Shylock springs to mind). She just happens to have better glutes than any of her predecessors.
~KarenR
Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (13:14)
#1689
#1652 was corrected already in #1653.
~lafn
Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (16:51)
#1690
I'm bringing this over from #129 ...
Ralph Fiennes is taking a lot of flak
for his "Coriolanus"...there's a piece in the Telegraph today poking fun at him, and telling him to read his own reviews (he has said that he is indifferent to praise or blame)and lighten up.
However in The Times John Peter says:
Ralph Fiennes gives an intense, but uncharismatice performance as Coriolanus....Ralph Fiennes gives Coriolanus a 'huge emotional charge'
They hardly make fun of him, though they do say the whole production is weak.
One must admire RF for taking on such an ambitious project. He's going on to New York in August to play it at the Brooklyn Academy of Music and to Tokyo after that.He doesn't have to play the Almeida for a fraction of his usual sticker price.He does it because he's a dedicated actor.
While IMO he's not the heart-throb that ODB is...he certainly has my respect.
~patas
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (02:41)
#1691
Evelyn, you are so bitter about Colin these days... Since he probably won't, what can *we* do to cheer you up?
~Moon
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (08:53)
#1692
And just wait for Londinium to open. ;-)
I think Evelyn just wants her DB on Broadway. :-)
~SadieR
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (08:59)
#1693
(Evelyn)While IMO he's not the heart-throb that ODB is...he certainly has my respect.
I can understand your frustration. I guess CF's life is taking priority over his career. Maybe that's understandable though. He's been acting for a long, long time and perhaps it doesn't hold the same attraction for him any longer. I'm just speculating here. I think he's a better actor than RF. But lately, I think he holds back, somehow, in the roles he plays. It's frustrating in that way too, because I know he's capable of brilliance. Although, I gather from those of you who saw him at the Donmar that he was brilliant there.
Still, he has very good reviews for Relative Values, which I'm looking forward to seeing.
~luvvy
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (09:00)
#1694
Response 1689 of 1692: Karen (KarenR) * Mon, Jun 19, 2000 (13:14) * 1 lines
#1652 was corrected already in #1653.
Thank you so much for that note, Karen.
~SadieR
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (09:31)
#1695
Dearest, loveliest, Evelyn!
(BTW Never mind the silly nonsense caption smeared on this snappie...or the blonde in the bed.)
I am getting my ass in gear as we speak --- just for you!
~lafn
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (09:39)
#1696
(Gi)Evelyn, you are so bitter about Colin these days... Since he probably won't, what can *we* do to cheer you up?
(Moon)I think Evelyn just wants her DB on Broadway. :-)
I hate to see ODB wasting his talents on second rate stuff. Which is what he's doing in these films.I'm reconciled to the fact that he is a TV actor , who occasionally makes forays into films as a supporting actor and stage.And I agree with Sadie that Colin is a better actor (not just better looking!)than RF.
I'm not bitter at Colin, Gi...just disappointed .
I am bitter, however, at the British public who don't support his films.
He has such a little chance of getting a good starring role.
On the positive side our hopes hinge on BJD:-((
~lafn
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (09:44)
#1697
I am getting my ass in gear as we speak --- just for you
Oh Sadie!!!ROTFLOL. Thank you...:-))
How I wish.
I know I'm a hard task-master....ask my sons!
~mari
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (11:28)
#1698
(Sadie) I am getting my ass in gear as we speak --- just for you
Sadie, I am LOL! Too damn funny, girl. From your, er, lips, to God's ear.;-)
Evelyn . . .I feel your pain.:-(
~EileenG
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (11:33)
#1699
Thank you so much for that note, Karen.
Yes, Karen, thank you. And I mean that sincerely...no, pretentiously...er, condescendingly and provincially... ;-P
Love your post, Sadie!
For Evelyn and other Sunshine fans, here's Newsweek's review:
'Ralph Fienes plays three roles in this epic about a Hungarian-Jewish family. Fiennes grows tiresome, but this bitter tale of failed assimilation and history's double-crosses leaves a haunting aftertaste.' David Ansen gives it three stars (out of five).
In other reviews, Kelsey Grammer's Macbeth was trashed--said 'Macbeth has so many unconvincing personalities, he needs a shrink--and an acting coach.' Ouch!
Apropos (sort of) to a recent discussion about Jerry Hall's casting in The Graduate despite her short acting resume:
'Nudes in the News'
Jerry Hall, 43, is set to pick up--and then take off--the towel for Kathleen Turner when she exits the London staging of 'The Graduate' on July 29. Perhaps gearing up for the role in regional theater, Roseanne, 47, also plans to get naked. She's dropped 75 pounds, courtesy of a stomach stapling. "I can't confirm Playboy because I'm also talking to Penthouse and all three of us are haggling over price and retouching rights." No doubt the mags are holding out for more money.
Gaaahhh!
~lafn
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (12:03)
#1700
(Eileen)"Fiennes grows tiresome, but this bitter tale of failed assimilation and history's double-crosses leaves a haunting aftertaste."
Thanks Eileen....Like I've said...it's not a popcorn film for the masses.No 3 hour epic ever purports to be...Mostly the reviews from the mainstream press have been good (and far better than anyone expected..hey, you should read the reviews after the Toronto FF...sounds like a different film).
Opens Friday nationwide in major cities. I'm flying down to Dallas on Saturday to see it.
~SadieR
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (22:10)
#1701
Glad CF's declaration cheered you up, Evelyn!
(Eileen)Kelsey Grammer's Macbeth was trashed--said 'Macbeth has so many unconvincing personalities, he needs a shrink--and an acting coach.' Ouch!
Ouch is right! Poor Kelsey Grammer. Them that can't become mean critics! KG reminds me of a younger Orson Welles. There is something so charasmatic and well, likeable, about him --- and the voice. Would love to see him play Macbeth (as OW also did).
V. embarrassed to admit, still have not seen Sunshine. Am a little Fienned-out.
Gabriel Byrne, now that's another story! And of course, CF is seen far too little.
I am catching Euro 2000 fever. Got hair cut today, and somehow ended up in pub to catch disappointing (for me)ending to Romania-England Game. Thought of those of you who inspired me! I have no clue about the rules of the game, but sure do like the close-ups!...Boyfriend was puzzled by my sudden interest.
~KarenR
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (22:37)
#1702
(Sadie) I have no clue about the rules of the game, but sure do like the close-ups!... Boyfriend was puzzled by my sudden interest.
LOL!
~KarenR
Tue, Jun 20, 2000 (23:43)
#1703
BBC Press Release about Fall Season:
The BBC will be playing it for laughs in the autumn ratings war. And leading the assault is none other than Victor Meldrew in a new series of One Foot In the Grave.
The crabby old character - who is known to say "I do not believe it" rather a lot - is back with his long suffering wife Margaret, played by Annette Crosbie, and their former next door neighbours, alias Angus Deayton and Janine Duvitski.
BBC comedy chiefs have spent three years urging writer David Renwick to conjure up more adventures for accident prone, tetchy Victor, played by award-winning Richard Wilson.
A senior BBC comedy source said: "David, like many great writers is something of a perfectionist. He wanted to be sure he had the right material.
"We are naturally thrilled that Victor is back. The character is a legend, synonymous with people of a certain age who are sick to death of being downtrodden. The cast gels so well, they just carry on where they left off."
The BBC has pulled off another comedy coup in partnering actress Zoe Wanamaker - once Adam Faith's sidekick in Love Hurts - with award winning star Robert Lindsay who can also be seen ruling the waves as an officer in Horatio Hornblower.
Lindsay, 50, also last seen playing Fagin in Alan Bleasdale's version of Oliver Twist, started his sitcom career as a gadabout RAF lad in Get Some In over 25 years ago.
New York born Zoe, 51, the daughter of the late Royal Shakespearian star Sam Wanamaker, was herself a revered stage actress before she partnered Faith in the long-running Love Hurts as his girlfriend Tessa Piggot.
The pair will be seen in the new comedy tale My Family with Lindsay playing a moderately successful dentist and family man beginning to feel the frustrations of life in middle age.
Gregor Fisher is meanwhile forsaking his Rab C Nesbitt vest to portray Scottish country GP Hector Robertson in the new sitcom Brotherly Love, alongside former Lovejoy favourite Caroline Langrishe. He has to fight off his architect brother Frank (James Fleet) to win her affection in the family village of Invercorrie.
Caroline Aherne and Craig Cash return in the award-winning The Royle Family and Kiss Me Kate, starring Caroline Quentin and Chris Langham , Bill Nighy and Amanda Holden will also be back on screen.
Black comedy will be provided in a new burst of verbal venom from Steve Coogan and Henry Normal's production company Baby Cow. They have produced Beautiful Love, which has been written and stars Julia Davis and Rob Brydon (Bob Martin) in a series in which they play six very different dysfunctional couples.
On the drama front, viewers will be tuning in to the comedy drama The Sins, starring Pete Postlethwaite, Geraldine James and Frank Finlay, which has been written by William Ivory, the creator of Common as Muck. Postlethwaite plays an ex getaway driver struggling to find his place in an unforgiving world after four years in jail.
Love in a Cold Cimate, Nancy Mitford's sparkling comedy drama of manners, has been adapted by Deborah Moggach to follow the fortunes of three upper class girls whose lives are dedicated to the pursuit of love.
The �3 million production is being filmed in France and England during the summer months and stars Alan Bates, Sheila Gish, Celia Imrie, Frances Barber and John Wood. The girls - Polly, Fanny and Linda - are played by newcomers Elizabeth Dermot Walsh, Rosamund Pike and Megan Dodds.
Down to Earth, a kind of millennium Good Life stars Pauline Quirke and Warren Clarke as a husband and wife trying to escape the rat race with their brood of children and get a fresh start in Devon.
Other People's Children starring Lesley Manville, Serena Gordon, Denis Lawson and Emma Fielding takes a close look at parenting from the step mother and step father's point of view in this adaptation of Joanna Trollope's best-seller.
The Internet comes under scrutiny in dot com, a new drama from Tony Garnett's World Productions, taking a look at a group approaching their 30s working on an internet start-up company. The cast includes Claudia Harrison, Poppy Miller and ex Casualty idol William Gaminara.
Among drama favourites returning are Casualty, Holby City, Silent Witness and The Scarlet Pimpernel with Richard E Grant. Former Casualty star Claire Goose makes her comeback in the new crime drama thriller Waking the Dead with Trevor Eve, Sue Johnston and Holly Aird.
Sexual liberation in 1959 gets an airing with Take a Girl Like You which has been adapted by Andrew Davies from Kingsley Amis's wickedly funny novel and stars Rupert Graves, Sienna Guillory, Robert Daws, and Emma Chambers.
The two big eco documentary series bound to grab attention are The State of the Planet with Sir David Attenborough, taking a definitive look at Earth and how the non-Green society is endangering our environment, and the Jurassic beneath the waves study Secrets of the Sea Dragons.
Most interest, though, is sure to be devoted to the mammoth 16 part �6 million History 2000 : A History of Britain by Simon Schama which takes the best-selling author and historian on a journey back in time to chart the relationships between the peoples of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
On the lighter side 10 couples will be flying on a jet to a holiday location but only one couple will actually get the break in the arial game show Come Fly With Me. Each week they will face challenges en route to fabulous destinations such as Barcelona and Havana. The series climaxes in a frenetic end game where the final two couples have to correctly locate the room they are booked into at the hotel.
The winning couple get to stay for a week - the losers fly home.
Senior BBC executive Peter Salmon commented: "It is a very strong line-up - lots of established favourites, lots of great writers, lots of superb entertainment. I think we may be hearing the sound of laughter again in an area in which we have come under attack."
Last updated: 16:42 Tuesday 20th June 2000.
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (03:26)
#1704
I feel sorry for England. I know how you're feeling, Ann.
But Portugal! Wow! What a team. It was very clever of the coach to let the best players have a rest and give the opportunity to the other players. And even the B-team beat Germany 3-0! You've got a luxury problem here, Gi, too many good players;-)
~patas
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (04:50)
#1705
Thank you, Tineke. I am very happy for our players, now they'll all get good contracts :-)
I'm sorry for Belgium, and also for England (this for my English friends' sake) and for Denmark (I like Peter Schmeichel who is goal-keeper for Sporting) but everyone I like cannot win... We're going to have a tough game against Turkey, but I'm still hoping to meet Italy at the final :-)
~Moon
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (08:28)
#1706
I second all your sentiments, Gi.
I really thought Italy would face England in the quarter-finals, was surprised at the outcome yesterday. But it was such a good game!
but I'm still hoping to meet Italy at the final :-)
As you know, so am I. :-D
Germany has to start from the beginning and build a new team, starting with their goalie.
~lafn
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (10:08)
#1707
Thank you, Karen for the BBC fall schedule
executive Peter Salmon commented: "It is a very strong line-up
I have to AGREE with him. It does sound varied and scintillating.
~~~~~~
You see, I'm reforming...[Thank you Sadie.]
I'm actually getting excited about TV sit-coms, and docu-dramas.
Getting psyched-up for the day they announce that ODB will have his own weekly series...I will cheer....I promise. *crossing heart...with no winkies*
Will take positive attitude at any ****that comes along.
~lafn
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (10:13)
#1708
I really thought Italy would face England in the quarter-finals, was surprised at the outcome yesterday. But it was such a good game!
I know v. little about soccer....but I do know it's never a good game when yyou lose.
~mari
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (10:43)
#1709
From This is London:
Mel's vendetta against England
by Neil Norman
Perhaps it's because he's an honorary Australian. Or maybe it's just that he is a Hollywood film star, but the small but perfectly formed Mel Gibson seems to have it in for the English in a big way.
Not content with allying himself with the hairy-kneed porridge-munchers in a ludicrous travesty of British history with Braveheart, Mad Mel is now having another bash at the English with his historical epic, The Patriot, in which Gibson stars as Benjamin Martin, a colonial militiaman in the American War of Independence whose guerrilla exploits against the Redcoats in the swamps of the Carolinas earned him the soubriquet the Swamp Fox.
Judging by the reaction so far to the film, which opens in the US on 28 June, the English are not only in for a thorough pasting from Mel and his band of motley guerrillas but also a comprehensive character assassination. To a man, the dastardly English are depicted as heartless toffs and machiavels, war criminals and child-killers. As Jason Isaacs, who plays the British baddie, Col William Tavington, remarked recently: "I'm Satan in this film. I'm a nasty, evil British officer and Mel comes after me like a warrior possessed."
But possessed of what, exactly? Certainly not intelligent objectivity and partiality. What with traducing the historical facts (as far as we know them) into the colour of money and anti-English sentiment for Braveheart, Gibson's latest venture looks increasingly as if he has an agenda above and beyond the $25 million paycheck he allegedly received for The Patriot. It's a long way and a lot of dollars in the bank since Gallipoli, in which Gibson played an Australian athlete who joined the Anzacs in the First World War only to be sent to certain death by - you guessed it - incompetent English officers.
It is entirely possible that Gibson, who was born in Peerskill, New York and did not arrive in Australia until the age of 12, has bought into the Australian legacy of English-hating - an atavistic resentment against the policy of transportation of convicts; then again, Gibson, who is a devout Catholic, possibly subscribes to a headily romantic view of Celtic republicanism that finds merit in the perennial resistance of the underdog nations (Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall) against their merciless oppressor, England. Or maybe he is just getting his own back against English critics who have failed to take him seriously enough. Then again, to pursue an anti-English agenda in Hollywood is a crowd-pleasing tactic and a cheap way of earning the plaudits (and bucks) of the home team. As every Hollywood casting agent knows, the devil speaks with an English accent. The fact that he didn't actually direct The Patriot (as he did Braveheart) matters not a jot; his involvement legitimises the enterprise and indicates an end
rsement of the film's warped sentiments. Once director Roland Emmerich got involved as director (formerly of Godzilla and all points SFX blockbuster) it was clear that historical accuracy was never going be high on the agenda. With Gibson on board the primary aim for the movie was big box-office success. Therefore, it was necessary to rewrite the "hero" - the real-life Francis Marion, a thoroughly unpleasant dude who was, basically, a terrorist - to a level of palatability that is more appropriate for the wholesome Mr Gibson.
A devout traditional Catholic with seven children by his wife Robyn Moore to prove it, Gibson's inclination is towards the more reactionary political sentiment. To wit, he has pronounced against abortion, has said he would encourage his own children to take up weapons in self-defence and believes that the Fabian Society is a cabal of world leaders intent on taking over the global economy.
The man appears confused. Now we find him whitewashing the character of Francis Marion who, according to a recent article in the Daily Express, had a reputation as a racist who hunted Indians for sport and regularly raped his female slaves. According to Christopher Hibbert, a British expert on the American Revolution, Marion "was a wily and elusive character, very active in the persecution of Cherokee Indians and not at all the sort of chap who should be celebrated as a hero. ... The truth is that people like
Marion committed atrocities as bad if not worse than those perpetrated by the British."
Given his penchant for conspiracy theories (he even appeared in a film of that title as a paranoid taxi driver), Gibson may not be the most reliable ambassador for the "special relationship" that purportedly exists between England and America. But as to why he seems to have such a chip on his shoulder about the English, I am at a loss. Perhaps when you've had as many demons of your own as Gibson - including a heavy alcohol habit - one feels the need to demonise some exterior source - to exorcise your demon into another vessel, so to speak. It seems as if the English just happened to be passing at the time.
~EileenG
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (12:11)
#1710
It is entirely possible that Gibson, who was born in Peerskill, New York
One, that should be Peekskill and two, I thought it was Poughkeepsie (two lovely towns in the Catskills).
Newsweek didn't care for this movie, BTW. Said it had too many agendas to fill, that it seemed to be writted more by a big H'wood studio than a screenwriter, and that it was a cross between SPR (same writer) and several other movies. In other words, same ol' same ol', with extra gore on the side (something about a cannonball connecting with a head). Ugh. I'll pass.
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (12:25)
#1711
Thanks, Mari, for the article. Have been reading others similar. But now they really appear to be going after Mel...personally. *lifting one eyebrow, if I could*
Then again, to pursue an anti-English agenda in Hollywood is a crowd-pleasing tactic
Is this a new genre...like slashers, rom-coms, gross-out teen flicks? Wasn't aware of that.
all very odd since Mel's production company (Icon Entertainment) operates out of London.
~Moon
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (13:06)
#1712
I liked the previews v. much. Historical fiction with a twist, so what?
Gibson's inclination is towards the more reactionary political sentiment. To wit, he has pronounced against abortion, has said he would encourage his own children to take up weapons in self-defence and believes that the Fabian Society is a cabal of world leaders intent on taking over the global economy. The man appears confused.
Another one of Blair's luuvies, I see.
~Moon
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (13:21)
#1713
I know v. little about soccer....but I do know it's never a good game when yyou lose.
hey, Paul... I mean Evelyn, It is only a game. ;-))))
~patas
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (13:41)
#1714
(Mari, quoting) It seems as if the English just happened to be passing at the time.
That's probably it in a nutshell.
~lafn
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (13:47)
#1715
Paul..I mean, evelyn *Shouting out the window*
"Would you stop that f******...."
*Arms flailing*......
(Moon)hey, Paul... I mean Evelyn, It is only a game. ;-))))
That's what Sarah said ;-))
~SadieR
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (14:25)
#1716
Very disappointed to learn that Mel Gibson is such a redneck. One more reason to be proud of ODB, who said he'd be disappointed if his son became a soldier.
But why would MG pick a rapist and racist as his historical figure to base a film on? Could he not find a less repulsive figure? Such distortions amount to propaganda, and without even the honesty of Birth of a Nation (which is a hateful film). He must be laughing at us Americans all the way to the bank.
~Moon
Wed, Jun 21, 2000 (14:36)
#1717
(Moon)hey, Paul... I mean Evelyn, It is only a game. ;-))))
That's what Sarah said ;-))
Score one for Evelyn! ;-)
~Tineke
Thu, Jun 22, 2000 (03:44)
#1718
I know v. little about soccer....but I do know it's never a good game when yyou lose.
hey, Paul... I mean Evelyn, It is only a game. ;-))))
LOL! That's how we feel about it. After we lost to Turkey, the commentator was standing in front of some Belgian football fans saying "and behind me I have some disappointed football fans", he turned his head and noticed that said fans were singing and juming up and down. Commentator to fans "uhm...we lost, you know". Belgian fans: "well,they'll do better next time" and proceeded singing and partying;-)
But in fact...we were very disappointed. We had not expected to lose against Turkey since they hadn't been playing very well till then. Some people were already preparing for the quarter final Belgium- Portugal....
It's not to be:-(
I am now rooting for Portugal and Italy - for Portugal because they've been playing so well and for Italy because I like their shirts;-)
~Moon
Thu, Jun 22, 2000 (08:17)
#1719
for Italy because I like their shirts;-)
LOL! La moda italiana. :-)
This EURO Cup has been so much fun, a definite contrast to the last one. The fans reflect this too. We always want our team to win but we appreciate the beauty of a fun well played-out game. And if there are lots of goals, better.
This weekend I should be starting my suitcases but it looks like I will be watching the games. Keeping fingers crossed.
~lafn
Thu, Jun 22, 2000 (09:33)
#1720
From Playbill News:
The annual summer Gala Benefit at the Bay Street Theatre in Sag Harbor, Long Island, will this year be hosted by Hamptons habitues Julie Andrews, Alec Baldwin and Chevy Chase. The event will take place July 8, beginning at 6:30 PM, on Long Wharf in Sag Harbor.
As usual, there will be a silent auction and a live "fantasy" auction, the latter officiated by Andrews, Baldwin and Chase. Among the items on the block: "Sparkle Plenty" diamond pave earrings from Harry Winston Jewelers; vacations in Ireland, Jamaica and the CuisinArt Spa on Anguilla; and Super Bowl tickets.
Tickets for the gala, which will also feature cocktails and a sit-down dinner, are available at $250. For information, call (631) 725-0818.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Super Bowl Tickets??How about tickets to RV!
C'mon Julie plug your film...we need a distrib, and one is bound to be
hanging-out in the Hampton's.
~CherylB
Thu, Jun 22, 2000 (18:47)
#1721
For historical inaccuracy in the movies the recent WWII submarine thriller, U-571, certainly fits the bill. In that movie a band of intrepid Americans
seize an Enigma machine from a German U-boat. That never happened. The British captured Enigma before the United States even entered the war. The bottom line is the bottom line. An English film with English actors would not have made the same amount of money worldwide. That is the perception, at any rate.
~KarenR
Thu, Jun 22, 2000 (22:31)
#1722
Thought this was kind of cute, especially example #2 ;-)
THE SCOTSMAN: LOSING WEIGHT THE CELEBRITY WAY
A sure sign that a star has made it is that they hire their own chef - not to prepare elaborate feasts but to keep them in trim. In the acting profession, beauty and physique are bankable assets which need to be looked after.
"A lot of actors are terrified of becoming fat or having high cholesterol levels," says Barry Rey, of Wood Hall Catering. "Diets tend to come and go, and as location caterers we tend to be on the leading edge of whatever fad is fashionable. The women tend to be watching their figures, while the men are concerned with their cholesterol. That's where their personal chef, dietitian or nutritionist comes in."
The Bridget Jones Diet
Renee Zellweger who is to play the leading role in the forthcoming Bridget Jones movie, is feeding up to fit into what she calls Bridget's "fat jeans". Pizza, cheesecake and Guinness are what her character would term very bad.
The Raging Bull diet
To bulk up for his role as the boxer gone to seed in Raging Bull, Robert De Niro (top left) simply went on holiday to Italy and ate pasta until he reached the necessary weight.
Protein Diet
This is the hot diet in Hollywood. The central idea is that people can eat as much boiled or grilled chicken as they want and nothing else. Apparently, the weight just falls off, although no sensible GP would think of recommending such a badly balanced diet. Not popular with vegetarians.
No Carbohydrates Diet
Jennifer Aniston and Courtney Cox are said to be fans of this regime. The title is pretty self-explanatory, so no bread or pasta but almost anything else goes.
~Tineke
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (08:13)
#1723
It looks like I'll just miss seeing the final in Italy, unlike Moon. I'm leaving for Italy July 4th. I can't wait:-)
~mari
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (10:03)
#1724
Great review for SUNSHINE in today's Philadelphia Inquirer 3.5 stars out of 4.
Sweeping 20th-century saga has Ralph Fiennes in 3 roles
By Steven Rea
INQUIRER MOVIE CRITIC
It's a Ralph Fiennes festival! In Sunshine, Istvan Szabo's epic tale of a Hungarian Jewish family - spanning the downfall of a monarchy, two world wars and the Communist revolution - the English actor gets to play three roles, of three generations in the Sonnenschein clan: Ignatz, a scholarly and ambitious lawyer; his son, Adam, an Olympic fencing champion; and his son, Ivan (whose narration runs through the film's three hours), a concentration-camp survivor who becomes a Communist official bent on exacting revenge against his country's Nazi sympathizers.
It's an ambitious, sweeping saga, but by focusing on the one family - and by having the key roles performed by the same man - Sunshine succeeds in showing the tumult of the 20th century from a deeply personal perspective. This is a story of filial identity, of engaged intellects buffeted by the senseless rage of antisemitism, of failed assimilation and, ultimately, of survival.
Szabo, the Oscar-winning director (Mephisto, Colonel Redl) who wrote the screenplay with Israel Horovitz, manages to convey the intimate struggles of a close-knit Jewish family, the secret passions of lovers, the tragic mistakes of brothers and sisters, father and son, mother and daughter. And how fate - and war, and politics and religion - shapes the course of one's life.
In addition to the obvious symbolic continuity supplied by Fiennes, Szabo casts JENNIFER EHLE as Ignatz's beautiful red-headed cousin, Valerie, and Rosemary Harris, Ehle's real-life mother, to play the same character in later years. THE TWO ACTRESSES ARE EQUALLY SPECTACULAR.
Indeed, although Sunshine succumbs, here and there, to somewhat corny narrative convention, the cast is outstanding: James Frain, as Ignatz's idealist brother, radiates brooding intensity; Rachel Weisz, as Adam's brother's wife, secretly and desperately in love with the champion swordsman, is dark and destructively alluring; and even William Hurt, as a Communist investigator in the film's final section, shows a restraint, and regret, that is affecting.
Miriam Margolyes, as the fiercely proud Sonnenschein matriarch, Rose, and David de Keyser, portraying her husband, Emmanuelle, provide linchpin performances, and Deborah Kara Unger turns up as a steely, but sultry Communist comrade who falls into a doomed affair with Ivan.
Sunshine takes its title from the name Sonnenschein, and the herbal tonic Taste of Sunshine - a shimmering elixir that brings the family great wealth. Its recipe, scrawled in a black notebook, becomes a symbol not only of inheritance, but also of loss, as the name Sonnenschein is changed to the non-Jewish Sors, and as the book itself is hidden away, forgotten and ultimately destroyed.
It's a powerful symbol, in a powerful film.
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Steven Rea's e-mail address is srea@phillynews.com
***1/2
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:20)
#1725
Hey Evelyn! Sunshine is playing at 3 theaters in the area. According to the ad last week, it was only listed to be at one. It's on two screens at my place.
Here's Michael Wilmingston's review from the Tribune (3-1/2 stars):
When a celebrated moviemaker sets out to make his magnum opus - which is obviously the intention of Istvan Szabo in "Sunshine" - he runs the risk of seeming a pretentious overreacher. I hope that's not the fate of Szabo over "Sunshine," an incredibly ambitious film and one of the most highly accomplished of the year.
"Sunshine," which lasts three hours and follows five generations of a family called Sonnenschein ("Sunshine" in German), is a film that sets out to be nothing less than the great national epic of Hungary in the 20th century. But it's also a deeply personal work. The Sonnenscheins, who make their fortune with a soft drink called Sunshine, are a family much like Szabo's own upper-middle-class Jewish forebears - who went through a similar rise and decline.
The movie opens in the 19th century, starting with the provincial tavern owner Aaron Sonnenschein (Balazs Hantos), who invented Sunshine's recipe, and continues to the 1960s. It focuses mostly on three generations: the children first born into wealth, during the latter period of the Austro-Hungarian Empire; the next generation, which came of age after World War I, under a regime increasingly cozy with Hitler; and the post-WWII generation, who were adults under communism. Along the way, the younger Sonnenscheins assimilate and change their name (to "Sors"), while the family business collapses, after the original Sunshine formula vanishes.
There are two constant threads through all three acts. One is the presence of star Ralph Fiennes - who plays, in succession, imperial judge Ignatz Sonnenschein; then Ignatz's son, charismatic Olympic fencing champion Adam Sors; and then Adam's son, embittered communist policeman Ivan.
There is another crucial thread: the continuing character of Valerie Sonnenschein, (a.k.a. Sors), first Ignatz's cousin (and adopted sister), and later Ignatz's wife, Adam's mother and Ivan's grandmother. Valerie, an idealistic photographer and loving matriarch, is played by two actresses: Jennifer Ehle in her younger years and Ehle's actress mother, Rosemary Harris, in later life. The loveliest and most inspiring character in "Sunshine," Valerie is our only human link between all the events.
Thematic threads weave through, too. "Sunshine" is about anti-Semitism, the scourge that the Sonnenscheins endure through each political change. Even when they try to assimilate, changing their name and religion (to Roman Catholicism), bigotry in some form, from street beatings to the Holocaust to waves of Stalinist anti-Semitism, keeps recurring - never more horrifyingly than when we see Adam, a national hero (based on an actual Hungarian fencing champion), beaten and hosed to death in a camp, before his young son Ivan's eyes.
Szabo has been Hungary's preeminent director since the '60s, progressing from warm, experimental films like 1966's "Father" to his Oscar-winning 1981 breakthrough "Mephisto" to his underrated 1991 English language debut film, "Meeting Venus." Szabo met his great constant colleague, cinematographer Lajos Koltai, in 1979 on "Confidence," and "Sunshine" marks the peak of their collaboration to date.
It is a ravishingly shot film, a succession of extraordinarily beautiful or evocative period images that richly summon up the major phases of Hungarian history. The blissful, naive isolation of the first rich Sonnenscheins - with sad-eyed patriarch Emmanuel (David de Keyser) and volatile mother Rose (Miriam Margolyes at her most Dickensian), providing a temporary haven for young Ignatz, Valerie and Ignatz' socialist doctor brother Gustave (played as a young man by James Frain and later by John Neville) - gives way to the combats and struggles, under the Horthy regime, of peerless swordfighter Adam. And that increasingly fascist milieu leads straight to the Holocaust and, after World War II, to the brutalities of the communist government. Szabo, who spent most of his career under Marxist governments, has never before shown one with such scathing criticism and scorn.
What Szabo wants to show - and often does brilliantly - is that each regime collapses in turn into tyranny and bigotry while most of the Sonnenscheins (like the Finzi-Continis in Vittorio De Sica's 1971 film) procrastinate or delude themselves. When "Sunshine" goes wrong, it is simply because it tries to do too much, too fast. The movie is three hours long, and I think it would have been better at six, perhaps in two parts.
Because of that scope and breadth, Fiennes has been unjustly criticized as the great glowering stone face, dourly serious to the end. Yet Fiennes plays all the roles with deep understanding, burning intensity and rich contrast, if not quite enough compensating lightness or irony. The mother-daughter team of Harris and Ehle are joys from beginning to end. (Our last views of the elderly Valerie are devastating; we simply don't want her to leave.) And there are fine smaller performances throughout: by de Keyser and Frain, by Deborah Kara Unger as Ivan's adulterous lover, and by William Hurt as a Jewish Stalinist cop tragically caught in a web he helped to weave.
Some plot twists in "Sunshine" collapse under scrutiny - like the mysterious loss of the Sunshine formula when Emmanuel dies. (Did no one else ever see or use it?) Certain devices are overused, like the dinner table discussions and rapt piano scenes. The film might have been better or more persuasive (though less popular) if Hungarians had taken the lead roles, instead of Britons and Americans. But "Sunshine" falls, I think, in the category of those films that should not be dismissed for their flaws, because they give us so many dramatic and cinematic riches. This film constantly renews itself, always redeems its shortcomings.
Life also renews and redeems itself, which is one of the positive themes of "Sunshine." There have been a number of great movie family epics - from Germany's "Heimat" to America's "Godfather" trilogy. But "Sunshine" is one of the most powerful and visually beautiful of the lot. Szabo really does tell the story of his country's century. And, it's easy to forget how beautiful, various and terrible that century was.
~SusanMC
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:26)
#1726
Here's the Boston Globe's review (2-1/2 stars):
A few dim spots don't diminish 'Sunshine'
Boston Globe
Published: 6/23/2000
By Jay Carr, Boston Globe
Few filmmakers have so consistently brought to historical subjects the beauty and craftsmanship that Istvan Szabo has over a long, distinguished career. ''Sunshine,'' his most ambitious film yet, is a heartfelt and handsomely wrought three-hour saga of a Hungarian Jewish family over three generations, covering more than a century. It's neatly divided into three acts signified by three ruling regimes - monarchial, fascist, and communist - all multiplying the family's woes. Yet some of the tragedies endured by the Sonnenschein family are brought on by the repeated desire of its more conservative members to put an end to their outsider status and become assimilated into the establishment.
This is in large part a vain hope, but the family keeps regenerating its mistaken urge to belong, once the family establishes itself comfortably in a beautifully burnished turn of the century world on the strength of a patent medicine. The elixir's formula is borne to Budapest by Emmanuel, sewn into the lining of his coat when he leaves his village. But Emmanuel passes on a desire to be respectable, and it keeps costing his family. This is where Ralph Fiennes comes in. His contribution would in the hands of other actors be called a tour de force. But showiness is antithetical to Fiennes. He plays Emmanuel's son, grandson, and great-grandson with fire, but it's interiorized, except when it erupts in a passionate sex scene, which happens once in each character's life.
Emmanuel's son, Ignatz, becomes a lawyer and judge, but at the cost of his identity. He changes his name from Sonnenschein (German for Sunshine) to Sors (Hungarian for destiny). He also converts to Catholicism. It works so far as his career goes. He gets his judgeship and even an audience with Emperor Franz Josef as he goes off to World War I, but his personal life crumbles. Jennifer Ehle's Valerie, a free spirit who is his cousin and was raised as his sister when her own father died, is passionately drawn to him. She acts on her passion. He responds, and they marry, despite the misgivings of his parents. But when Ignatz makes his deal, she denounces him as a sellout, comparing him unfavorably to his social reformer firebrand brother, Gustave.
In the next generation, Fiennes turns up as Ignatz's son, Adam, who becomes a champion fencer, but finds his advancement blocked and must make the same decision as his father as Hungary cozies up to the Nazis. So, too, does Adam's son, Ivan, also played by Fiennes. In contrast to Adam's fiery elegance, Ivan is a grim ideologue, driven by guilt at having survived World War II when his father didn't and determined to revenge himself on fascists as a communist witch-hunter. Until, of course, he, too, finds politics blowing up in his face. Each man in each generation is guilty of moral or emotional betrayal, and Fiennes impressively dimensionalizes all of them.
Such dimension is needed because while Szabo's partly autobiographical chronicle has breadth, it can't always be said to have equivalent depth. As the years pile up, its schematic nature becomes ever more apparent and the characters threaten to grow emblematic. One big reason the last part, depicting Ivan's struggle to replenish his soul by making contact with his roots, doesn't evaporate is a pair of outstanding performances by William Hurt and Rosemary Harris. Ehle's mother in real life, the invaluable Harris plays Ehle's character, Valerie, in old age. Her serenity and magisterial spirit buoy the film no end. So does Hurt's performance as a damaged man, but a worthy one, who begins as Ivan's superior and finds himself on the wrong end of a purge.
In a film climate starved for substance, I wish I could be more enthusiastic about Szabo's latest film. It's rich and committed. It's studded with juicy performances. Its themes matter. Even the sex scenes are urgent, especially the ones involving Ivan and Deborah Kara Unger, whose status as the wife of another Party member makes her a highly risky proposition, which possibly contributes to their abandon. In short, there's much to admire here, yet one can't help harboring reservations stemming from the scanting of character development. The film sometimes hyperventilates in an effort to put it there, and the characters sometimes speak in comic-strip balloons, clumsily illustrating the historic significance of what we're seeing. The Sonnenscheins pay a heavy price to learn that you've got to be yourself, and ''Sunshine'' sometimes brings a heavy hand to their story. Still, ''Sunshine'' is a cinematic journey worth taking, even if it does stumble.
~amw
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:26)
#1727
Great reviews for the ladies and "Sunshine" at The San Francisco Chronicle and Seattle(?) Times.
I have to say that his film seems to have received much better reviews in the US than in the UK, apart from The Telegraph which praised Jennifer and wanted to start a competition in her name!
~SusanMC
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:31)
#1728
And here's the Boston Herald's review (3 stars)
`Sunshine' is dark fable, murkily told
Movie review/by James Verniere
Friday, June 23, 2000
"Sunshine" Rated R. At the Nickelodeon and Kendall Square Cinemas.
Istvan Szabo's novelistic drama ``Sunshine'' is a conspicuously dark fable about a shattered dream of European assimilation.
Charting a Jewish-Hungarian family's calamitous destiny in 20th century Europe, this three-hour English-language film was co-written by Hungarian Szabo and American playwright Israel Horovitz and features Ralph Fiennes in three roles and a fine supporting cast, including John Hurt.
If the protagonists, the misguided, internally divisive members of the eponymous Sonnenschein clan (sonnenschein means ``sunshine'' in German), aren't the equals of the house of Atreus in terms of classical tragedy, it's not a fatal flaw.
The story starts with a bang, literally, and an evil omen when a Sonnenschein elder blows himself to smithereens in a village in the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the mid-19th century. He had been pursuing the family business, distilling a popular alcoholic tonic dubbed ``A Taste of Sunshine.''
But the dead man's son Emmanuelle (David de Keyser) prospers in Budapest, thanks to the family's secret recipe, a rather plodding metaphor, and his brilliant, ambitious son Ignatz (Ralph Fiennes) is named a judge around the turn of the century. Although he is asked to change his name to something less Jewish if he wishes to rise in his profession, Ignatz remains steadfast in his admiration for Emperor Franz Joseph, whom he meets, and the emperor's vision of a more tolerant Empire.
Against his parents' wishes, Ignatz has also married his virtual sister Valerie (Jennifer Ehle), a free-thinking, free-spirited cousin and photographer raised by Ignatz's parents. Part Cassandra, part Circe, Valerie may also have had an affair with Ignatz' hotheaded brother Gustave (James Frain), a physician and political extremist fighting for the rights of the poor.
The patterns set into motion - brother against brother, brothers sleeping with each other's wives, catastrophic political affiliations - repeat themselves in the second half, with the Sonnenschein family tormented by the Nazis and then by the Communists. You may find yourself watching these events, including a grotesque murder at the hands of Nazis, thinking the Sonnenschein family is cursed, but not sure by what.
Ignatz's son Adam (Fiennes), a dashing, gold medal-winning fencer at the 1936 Olympics, is given a chance to elude fate when he's asked to coach a fencing team in America. But a mix of hubris, stupidity and tradition holds him fast to his nominal Hungarian homeland, even after he and his family hear the news of the Nazi laws against the Jews on the radio in one unforgettable scene.
After World War II, Adam's son Ivan (also Fiennes) dedicates himself to the Communist cause, only to be tormented by the party's deadly Stalinist machinations.
Szabo (``Mephisto,'' ``Colonel Redl,'' ``Hanussen'') is an able storyteller and filmmaker, and ``Sunshine'' can be favorably compared to Bernardo Bertolucci's epic ``1900'' (1977) and Luchino Visconti's ``The Leopard'' (1963).
But Fiennes' performances are uneven and opaque (he's turning into Laurence Harvey). And just as Ignatz fails to heed his father's advice to ``take nothing on trust; see everything,'' Szabo fails to grasp his story's meaning. ``Mephisto'' (1981) is a more satisfying variation on similar themes chiefly because of the bravura per-formance by Klaus Maria Brandauer as its actor-hero.
In addition to Fiennes in three roles, ``Sunshine'' features Ehle's mother, Rosemary Harris, as the elder Valerie. She's the voice of matriarchal wisdom in the film's reconciliatory closing scenes. But it's hard to know what to make of Valerie's dedication to photographing ``what is beautiful in life.''
The photographs of death camp victims taken by a Nazi collaborator are far more enlightening than Valerie's pretty pictures. Her aesthetic sounds like an intellectual death sentence.
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:32)
#1729
We're suckers for schmaltzy epics. ;-)
~lafn
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:41)
#1730
*evelyn on her knees*
There is a God!!
Thank you Mari and Karen.Looks like a winner....not for everybody, I repeat.It is R-rated:"sexuality, violence, torture, language and nudity".
No kidding. Don't go expecting Jane Austen.And three hours of Rafe can be "off-putting" too.
~~~~~~~~
Chicago Tribune:The movie is three hours long, and I think it would have been
better at six, perhaps in two parts.
Whaaat??Hey...last year at this time we were trying to find a distributor for three!!
At the risk of being unpopular, I am thrilled for Rafe too...he needed a winner.He keeps slogging away at these artistic films that get panned.
~amw
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:42)
#1731
Oh!
~amw
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:44)
#1732
we're suckers for schmaltzy epics Oh, again.
~lafn
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (11:48)
#1733
My Paramount rep called and said Paramount doubled the cities for release.
~amw
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (12:02)
#1734
Where else it it playing Evelyn, we have had San Francisco, Chicago, Seattle, Philadelphia, Boston, Dallas (forgot to mention that there is a very good review there as well), Washington (not so good), anywhere else?
~amw
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (12:03)
#1735
Evelyn, you really must check out the San Franciso Chronicle, it is really excellent for JE.
~lafn
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (13:04)
#1736
San Francisco Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/06/23/DD3813.DTL&type=movies
~~~~~~
"JE the sunshine in SUNSHINE....."
I'm gonna send this guy a bunch of roses :-)
WOW, what a year for her....Paramount picked a good week. Me Myself and Irene and Chicken Run (good reviews here)are the only competition.
Don't know where else it's playing besides the cities you mentioned..
Dallas (forgot to mention that there is a very good review there as well
This reviewer is a big P&P fan, don't forget.He gave MLSF a good one too.
Likes both of them.
Playing in 3 theatres in the SF too.
~mari
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (15:47)
#1737
Also in Detroit. Not a good review for the film or Rafe, but I liked this part:
The firewall is the fine performance by Ehle, star of the "Masterpiece Theatre" version of "Pride and Prejudice," and her mother, Rosemary Harris, who plays Valerie as the decades roll on.
~mari
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (16:03)
#1738
Good one (4 out of 5 stars) in the Arizona Republic (so I guess Phoenix, Tucson and environs)
http://azcentral.com/rep/movies/articles/0623sunshine23.html
Also playing in San Diego. Review is so-so, but good for the ladies.
~mari
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (16:28)
#1739
Evelyn, you owe this guy flowers too.:-) From the Portland, Oregonian:
Sunshine' illumines family's walk into darkness
Friday, June 23, 2000
Grade: A-
Cast and crew: Ralph Fiennes, Rosemary Harris, Jennifer Ehle, William Hurt, Miriam Margolyes, Rachel Weisz, Deborah Unger, David De Keyser; directed by Istvan Szabo
Rated: R for language, nudity, sexual content, violence; mature teens only
Running time: 174 minutes
The lowdown: A truly epic film, deserving of every bit of its nearly three-hour running length. Fiennes plays three generations of Hungarian Jews who struggle to fit into society even if they must deny themselves and their gifts to do so. The sprawl of history is on display, but so is human lust, regret and vindictiveness. Plus it's beautiful to watch: a real sleeper and a treat.
By Shawn Levy of The Oregonian staff
Sonnenschein means "sunshine" in German, but for the Sonnenschein family of Budapest, Hungary, there seems hardly ever to be a cloudless day.
The Sonnenscheins have the mixed fortune of being clever, prosperous, talented and comely people of Jewish descent in Eastern Europe during the 20th century, a place and time in which virtually all their good traits are likely to evoke fear, suspicion, jealousy and genocidal mania in those around them.
"Sunshine," which tells the story of four generations of the Sonnenscheins, is one of those rare films that not only merits its three-hour running time but demands it: Not only does "Sunshine" depict the travails of one star-crossed family, it also encapsulates a full history of modern Hungary and, indeed, Europe.
The film is a tour de force for Istvan Szabo, who directed and co-wrote with Israel Horowitz, and for Ralph Fiennes, who extends his string of solid performances in period films by playing three scions of the Sonnenschein family: Ignatz, the nebbishy judge who dearly loves Emperor Franz Josef; Adam, the haughty fencing champion imprisoned in the Holocaust; and Ivan, the rabidly anti-fascist policeman who joins the 1956 anti-Soviet uprising in a startling turn of heart.
That said, the film is so filled with riches that it seems a bit unfair to single out Szabo and Fiennes, no matter how outstanding their work. Two actresses, for instance, play the role of Valerie Sonnenschein, cousin and wife to Ignatz, mother to Adam, grandmother to Ivan. She alone spans all the generations of the story, and it's Szabo's great inspiration and fortune to have Jennifer Ehle play her as a spirited lass and Ehle's real-life mother, the great Rosemary Harris, portray the character later in life. There are fine turns by William Hurt as a communist policeman with a wise and forgiving heart and Miriam Margolyes and David De Keyser as the founding mother and father of the Sonnenschein dynasty -- hardly a role isn't well-played.
tIn spots, the film sags, but it reawakens through Szabo's continual return to the central theme of masking, hiding and assimilating: Whether it's Ignatz's decision to change the family name to Sors (Hungarian for 'fate'), Adam's donning of the protective mask of the amateur swordsman, or Ivan's attempt to avenge the family's suffering through the guise of officialdom, the Sonnenscheins are haunted by the need to seem other than what they truly are.
And the viewer, too, is haunted by this vital, sprawling and intelligent story.
*******
Also playing in Minneapolis, MN. Bad review, and the writer's name is Colin--for shame!;-)
~lafn
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (17:30)
#1740
Thanks Mari...interesting what different reviewers focus on...I rather go with: The story of a century.
Arizona Republic issues the warning that I posted on Virtual Views.
"This film is not for everyone..."
~~~~~~
June has been a lucky month for Jennifer:-)
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (21:35)
#1741
v. long and complimentary article about Gary Sinise in The Times. His One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest will be at the Barbican from July 27 to August 5. I've seen it and it's very, very good. Amy Morton, who played Nan/Lina in 3DOR, does Nurse Ratched.
http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/06/24/timmetmfl02001.html
~mari
Fri, Jun 23, 2000 (22:04)
#1742
Jennifer Ehle made Entertainment Weekly's "It List--The 100 most creative people in entertainment." This is the June 30/July 7 issue. They have her listed as "It Brit." Gorgeous full-page photo. Copy:
Age: 30
Why her: Best known in the U.S. for playing Elizabeth Bennet in A&E's Pride & Prejudice, Ehle was genuinely stunning in Tom Stoppard's The Real Thing--which won her a Tony against formidable competition (like her mom, stage legend Rosemary Harris).
Work Ritual: Diet Coke and a shower.
Worst Career Moment: In a production of Crimes of the Heart, "I walked onstage with my skirt tucked into my knickers, and just felt this draft. It was like a big signpost: This is a comedy."
Dream Collaborator: Meryl Streep. "Me and every other actress in Equity. She should just do a mass crowd scene, put us all in it, and make us happy."
Dream Project: Cat On A Hot Tin Roof
Influential Movie: "Xanadu--I just wanted pastel leg warmers and roller skates."
Next: She's currently on screen with Ralph Fiennes in Sunshine.
~amw
Sat, Jun 24, 2000 (01:29)
#1743
Interesting that her dream project is COAHTR, as is was rumoured a couple of years ago in the Baz B (Daily Mail) column that she was to take the lead in a Peter Hall? production.
~patas
Sat, Jun 24, 2000 (04:35)
#1744
(Tineke)I am now rooting for Portugal and Italy - for Portugal because they've been playing so well and for Italy because I like their shirts;-)
ROTFLOL! That's one hell of a reason to root for a team :-) German and English kids in Albufeira all go around in Portuguese shirts with
7
FIGO
written on them...
I hope you have a great time in Italy, Moon and Tineke. I envy you :-)
~Moon
Sat, Jun 24, 2000 (07:55)
#1745
Thanks, Gi! BTW, I hope you have a great #1 wedding anniversary.
Tineke, email me and let me know where you will be.
Influential Movie: "Xanadu--I just wanted pastel leg warmers and roller skates."
Huh? LOL!
Congratulations on the reviews, Evelyn!
~mari
Sat, Jun 24, 2000 (10:06)
#1746
Boy, when you're hot, you're sssmmmmmokin'! Jennifer Ehle is also featured in a full-page article in this weekend's Parade magazine (Sunday newspaper supplement included with major papers throughout the U.S.) Sorry, I'm in a real rush here and won't have time to post it until tomorrow night at the earliest, but maybe someone else will.
Moon, you'll be happy to know that David Leveaux also made the EW "It 100 List" as did Sandy Powell, the costume designer who won the Oscar for SIL.
~Moon
Sat, Jun 24, 2000 (11:40)
#1747
Moon, you'll be happy to know that David Leveaux also made the EW "It 100 List"
Of course! But is there a picture? :-D
~amw
Sat, Jun 24, 2000 (13:35)
#1748
Jennifer & her mother are also in the Weekend magazine of the Daily Mai here, large article and lots of photos and a great one of Rosemary and young Jennifer, one we have not seen before and RH looks very young indeed and it is uncanny how alike they are. Aishling is sening it to Evelyn, and if it is okay with you Karen I will scan it and send it to you, perhaps you could put it up here.
~KarenR
Sat, Jun 24, 2000 (16:27)
#1749
Here is the picture that Ann's husband scanned in:
~lafn
Sat, Jun 24, 2000 (21:34)
#1750
Entertainment Weekly June 30-July 7th
The It List... The 100 most creative people in entertainment
IT BRIT
~fitzwd
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (07:51)
#1751
ODDS and Ends for sure... Our favorite Lisa Zane (Femme Fatale) in the news, see 4th paragraph. This from NY Post:
FOR now, 21-year-old Australian actor Heath Ledger can get around town without a posse and without being set upon by eager fans. He should enjoy the moment, because by the time Independence Day has passed, he will have lost his own independence.
Ledger is about to become a huge star, this year's Leo DiCaprio, thanks to his performance as the son of fellow Aussie Mel Gibson in Sony's about-to-open "The Patriot," the movie everyone thinks will be this summer's blockbuster.
I saw it the other night, and it is terribly good. It's long, for sure, but I don't think the many old fans of the dashing Gibson - and the many new fans Ledger is going to attract - will complain.
Ledger comes across as a very sensible, down-home kind of young man. But he seems to already know his way around Hollywood. When he arrived there, wet behind the ears some three years ago, he was "adopted" by the smarter of the Brat Pack.
Within a very few months, for example, Liza Zane (sister of "Titanic" star Billy) had dumped her boyfriend, and she and young Heath became an item. Then the breaks started coming. He made "10 Things I Hate About You" (an adaptation of Shakespeare's "The Taming of the Shrew") and was deluged with offers to do more teen-oriented movies.
He held out, living on noodles and water, going back to Australia for a few roles and, finally, being offered "The Patriot." He says Gibson taught him a lot, and that they had fun on the set talking in Down Under slang, which is incomprehensible even to those who've seen "Crocodile Dundee" a dozen times.
Next up, he stars in "A Knight's Tale," which has Ledger dashing around in armor and jousting with superior forces. If it smacks of Gibson in "Braveheart" and the other current Aussie sensation, Russell Crowe, in "Gladiator," so be it.
Heath was just one of the crowd at Henri Bendel's benefit performance of "The Donkey Show" (a disco version of "Midsummer Night's Dream") the other evening. Fellow guests Monica Lewinsky and Lisa Ling got far more attention, but that won't be the case next week.
~lafn
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (11:50)
#1752
JE is featured in a full page interview and pic in this Sunday's "Parade"
magazine.
Ann, you'll like the pic ..."creamy-dreamy-Ehle".The above one is artistic
Vanity Fair does lots of those.
Also full page in July's "Interview" magazine.
What with this weekend's spread in the Daily Mail magazine....
Looks like she's;
Flavor of the Month"!!
~amw
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (11:56)
#1753
Evelyn, what did you think of Sunshine, I am dying to know!!
Aishling is going to send you the Weekend Magazine article, it's a lovely interview with RH, brought tears to our eyes.
~lafn
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (14:33)
#1754
SUNSHINE is a haunting film. The film made an impact on me long after I left the
cinema.On the plane trip home, I couldn�t read....I kept thinking about the characters and
the incidents that molded their lives. It�s the story of the century and a romance with
Hungary. This film could only have been made by a European director and I�m glad Istvan
Szabo had the guts to undertake it; his good fortune was to find the flawless cast. RF just
blew me away....sorry folks, no one else on the planet could have played these three roles.
I don�t know how he can be ignored for an Oscar nomination...but he probably will.
The film is chock full of symbolism which I haven�t deciphered yet. (KJ needed here!).
Lavish costumes and Budapest interiors, sweeping sountrack. I thought every detail had
been attended to, til I spoke to Karen who pointed out some flaws in Jewish culture.
.Three hours long, but it should have been four with an intermission. Sadly , the film has
some holes, due to drastic editing. Jennifer was superb..just like the reviewer said..�the
sunshine in Sunshine�.William Hurt also delivered a tremendous performance.The director
was lucky to get her and Mum. And Jennifer was lucky she met him at a party in London
for Glen Close. One never knows where the next break
is gonna come from.
~amw
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (16:31)
#1755
Thanks for your review Evelyn, but you didn't say anything about RH, I thought she was wonderful at the end, she had a wonderful rapport with RF's character (sorry name escapes me)and the scene where she collapses whilst they are looking for the recipe was so moving, imo. My only complaint would be that the film lagged a bit at times, particularly all those fencing scenes and towards the end. Also, the "joy" really did go out of the film once Jennifer morphed into her Mum, she really does light up the screen. Also some scenes at the end where quite unnecessary imo.
~amw
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (16:32)
#1756
or at least one particular scene, but Aishling and I had to "chuckle" to ourselves, say no more.
~amw
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (17:28)
#1757
Karen, I would love to hear you opinion of RF's performance, has your opinion improved upon acquaintance!
~lafn
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (21:56)
#1758
RH's performance was excellent...but IMO RH as Valerie was the thread that held the family together....picked up the pieces of broken china. Jennifer had less screen time, but more actual acting time.Jennifer dominated the first third of the film. RH's lines were short, philosophical. by the time she came on the scene, Adam's life was developing and Valerie sort of stood around. I LOVED the fencing scene.Almost a ballet...in the sumptuous surroundings,with the tittillating undercurrents of love. I was not offended by the sex scenes. Lust and power are the themes of the film....in all forms.The film never lagged for me...I was in awe
of the story of this century in Hungary.And inserting the newsreels gave it more of a documentary feeling...so one had the feeling that *perhaps* this did occur after all.
~lafn
Sun, Jun 25, 2000 (22:21)
#1759
PARADE Magazine 6/25/00
Interview copy:
http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/4820/ehle_int/parade.html
~amw
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (01:31)
#1760
I was not offended by the sex scenes -, nor was I, it was just that one scene in particular seemed a near impossibility, hee hee.
~patas
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (12:22)
#1761
Evelyn, I like this Parade pic much better.
~susanne
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (12:27)
#1762
Overall, the sex scenes were disappointing, I was expecting some really hot stuff. :-)) Just kidding ladies. But after all the talk about them, they were actually a lot tamer than I thought they would be. I think there was some serious editing for our virtuous American sensibilities. Oh please, pass me the smelling salts. Sex against a tree, oh my. :-))
~amw
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (12:31)
#1763
but it was a physical impossibility, wasn't it!
~lafn
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (12:37)
#1764
Evelyn, I like this Parade pic much better
I do too....but I find it's a 'generational call'....the v. v. young prefer the Entertainment Weekly pic....they say it's "cool".LOL
~~~~~~~~
From Playbill:
FANYS "Friends of NY Theatre Award" presented yesterday.
To:BEST PLAY of the season: Noel Coward's"Waiting in the Wings"(bodes well for RV )
BEST LEADING ACTRESS: Rosemary Harris....(Yeay!!Jennifer was not in competition...but Judi Dench from Amy's View from last year was....!)
TRT lost out to Kiss Me Kate in Best Revival
Reporter commented:
"The since-shuttered Wings had two wins -- the top play award and Outstanding Actress in a Play for Rosemary Harris. Harris, not competing against her daughter, The Real Thing's Jennifer Ehle, recalled a scene from The Royal Family where the mother of Gwen tells her daughter, anxious to leave the theatre profession, that she must stay on because one day she will be the very best of the family of actors and "I will be so happy." The gracious Harris was obviously happy to be honored herself after losing the Tony Award to her child. "
and Sarah Woodward from TRT also lost out on Best Supporting..
~LauraMM
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (15:55)
#1765
Evelyn, I was on Broadway Saturday. well not me personally, but took my daughter to see Footloose, it was great! Saw the Barrymore (really wanted to get the discount Real thing Tix, but it's definitely not a show for kids. SO.. Am going back next month with mom and gonna see The Real Thing!!!)
Spent weekend in NYC with Beck's SHE LOVED TIMES SQUARE!! Don't think she's ever seen so many people (strange ones too like one guy with wings;)!) Ended up in middle of gay pride parade (5th ave) (lots of fun) we were doing the touristy things, Empire state building, Statue of Liberty (nice sunburn, btw). We stayed CPW up by Columbia University, (I drove into NYC) Parked car in garage overnight and had a wonderful time. (Next time guys, eat at Langans on W. 47th and Broadway. It's amazing, and the staff is wonderful!!!)
~lafn
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (16:31)
#1766
(Laura)Am going back next month with mom and gonna see The
Real Thing!!!)
Watch your email...I've sent you a ticket discount offer from the Producers.
Wait for Jennifer after the show...stage door to left of main entrance.She likes to meet her fans.(But don't take a pic).Have fun:-))
~mari
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (17:21)
#1767
Good showing for Sunshine over the weekend. The film took in about $350,000 on just 58 screens, making it the #18 film in the country. Average per screen was a v.v. good $6,000.
~LauraMM
Mon, Jun 26, 2000 (18:09)
#1768
Rebecca got the autographs of all the "male" stars of Footloose! We're going to see nsync next month (nah, she's not spoiled;)). Okay, mommy, got all the autographs of the male footloose cast;)
I was gonna head over to W.47th to see JE come out of theatre, but Beck's and I were tired and Times Square was a zoo (as usual). Got email, Thank you Very very very very much!!!
~patas
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (07:26)
#1769
Seems like you had a lovely time in NYC, Laura,great! :-)
~SadieR
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (07:45)
#1770
It's great to see JE getting so much recognition. I guess I'm not v.v.young anymore, I don't pass the "cool" test. Like Gi and Evelyn, I prefer the Parade photograph. Say, for Americans out there (of a certain age), doesn't toddler JE remind you of Tabitha in that shot?
I know this is changing the subject, but I made a joke the other day to the bank teller after she asked me for my phone code. I said, "shouldn't we have the cone of silence for this?" She didn't understand the reference!
She was too young!
I grow old, I grow old
I shall wear the bottom of my trousers rolled.
~Tineke
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (08:05)
#1771
Sadie, if you're old, then so am I. And I'm only 21;-)
I'm with Ann, Gi and Sadie, I'm not too fond of the Entertaiment Weekly pic.
Moon, my sister saw Del Piero and another Italian player in Antwerp last week. Apparently the Italian team is staying in Antwerp during the tournament.
According to my sister they looked very macho, shimmering black hair (all that gel), cell phone,...
~Moon
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (08:12)
#1772
According to my sister they looked very macho, shimmering black hair (all that gel), cell phone,...
Must keep in touch with la mamma, macho or not. ;-)
~MarciaH
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (12:09)
#1773
Today is William's (WER's) Birthday, in case anyone wondered...
~Jana2
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (15:59)
#1774
(Sadie) "shouldn't we have the cone of silence for this?"
LOL, Sadie! Someone made a "cone of silence" reference at work the other day and several of us had a good laugh. Then I looked over and noticed one of my younger colleagues looking very perplexed, obviously not getting the joke. Sigh, I've officially joined the older generation ;-).
~CherylB
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (16:02)
#1775
What's the "cone of silence"? I've led a sheltered life.
~fitzwd
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (20:56)
#1776
OK - here's an explanation of the infamous "cone of silence," but it's one of those gags where you sort of "had to be there."
It was a running gag on the old Get Smart series with Don Adams playing secret agent Maxwell Smart. Whenever agent Smart and the Chief had to discuss a secret, they would sit at a desk and this big plastic bubble would be lowered from the ceiling, the cone of silence, where the 2 could discuss top secrets. Of course once inside, neither one could hear the other and they had to shout.
A very Monty Pythonesque, silly running gag.
~lafn
Tue, Jun 27, 2000 (21:20)
#1777
Whenever agent Smart and the Chief had to discuss a secret, they would sit at a desk and this big plastic bubble would be lowered from the ceiling,
Oh...you mean like the Inner Board on Spring;-)
~SadieR
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (09:19)
#1778
Great explanation of the cone of silence's highly technical functioning, Donna.
Now that I am thirty (gulp) I know it will only get worse --- saying things that no one understands because they're too young. And I just got used to saying things that no one understands because they're too old!
As mentioned on other boards, I'm goin'camping. Leaving today. Am wondering: how hard can it be in the woods, when I've survived big American cities on long weekends? We'll be there for two weeks, as boyfriend has determined it's not real camping unless you stay long enough for your cooler to run out of food. Sure hope he knows as much about this scene as he claims! I'm a city girl.
Will miss the wildness of you all at Drool.
~Moon
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (09:25)
#1779
Try to enjoy yourself, Sadie! I am not the camping type either, I feel for you.
I am also not the lost in the woods, amist the bears, cabin girl either.;-)
Wishing everyone a lovely summer, I am off to Italy tomorrow.
Happy Birthday to all the summer firthettes. Arrivederci!
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (09:26)
#1780
Have fun, Sadie. Make sure boyfriend gets all bitten up by flying or crawly things, then find closest motel with swimming pool/ bar and enjoy your wilderness experience. ;-)
~lafn
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (09:42)
#1781
Sadie & Moon...we'll miss you both:-(
Hurry back, Moon so we can do AZ....we've been saying that for three years!
And who knows...upon your return we might have news of an exhilarating
Colin-project.(Ever Hopeful)
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (09:44)
#1782
Have a great and fruitful time, Moon. Will be eagerly anticipating stories of your adventures.
~Tineke
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (09:52)
#1783
Have fun in the wilderness, Sadie. Why don't you watch the Blair Witch Project before you leave?;-)
unless you stay long enough for your cooler to run out of food
I'm going camping as well, but we're not bringing a cooler. There's no room for it on our bikes;-)
And Moon, I wish I could be more specific about my trip, but now it seems we won't be able to leave on July 4th after all. You know, we may even end up in England instead;-)
Have fun!
~mari
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (10:27)
#1784
Sadie, have a great time Camping it up!;-) We're doing Yosemite in a few weeks, but definitely *not* roughing it. To me, the outdoors is something I have to go through to get from my house to my car.;-) ;-)
Moon--Arrivederci, Luna! Spero che vi divertiate!
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (12:34)
#1785
~KarenR
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (12:35)
#1786
Psssst! I heard Tineke passed her exams with honours. Good for you!!
~patas
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (16:53)
#1787
Sadie, what can I say? I hope you come back unscathed ;-)
Moon, have fun in Italy. I've just watched the Portugal vs France game, and am feeling very low; I hope Italy is more fortunate. Auguri!
~CherylB
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (18:10)
#1788
Sadie, my idea of going camping is visiting the park. Beware of the flies, mosquitoes, and gnats. I hope you come back unscathed.
Moon, may you and your family have a lovely time in Italy.
~heide
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (18:42)
#1789
I'm sure I missed you both, Moon and Sadie. Have fun, stay safe and come on back.
Congratulations Tineke on a successful academic year. Are you continuing with your studies? Have fun on your bike trip.
And Mari's leaving for Yosemite soon. Driving out? I always wanted to see the USA in my Chevrolet. Sheesh, I'm spending my vacation next week at home painting and it won't be art, folks.
~LauraMM
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (19:40)
#1790
Yeah, Tineke!!! (we don't remember what happened two years ago right???) Just one other thing, are you making the money in the basement at university? Because if you are, send some my way;))
Have a wonderful trip and CONGRATULATIONS!!!
~lafn
Wed, Jun 28, 2000 (20:43)
#1791
INTERVIEW Magazine: July 2000
Interview:http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/4820/ehle_int/interview.html
~heide
Thu, Jun 29, 2000 (18:53)
#1792
Nice pic. She should have worn that dress to the Tonys.
~lafn
Thu, Jun 29, 2000 (19:34)
#1793
I liked the Tony dress more. Don't like pattern evening clothes.IMO
~LauraMM
Thu, Jun 29, 2000 (19:47)
#1794
I agree with you, evelyn. THAT dress would've been too um, loud??? :)
~lafn
Thu, Jun 29, 2000 (21:42)
#1795
How about this dress? Better?
INTERVIEW Mag July issue
Mari...what designer did you say this was?
~Renata
Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (00:16)
#1796
I may be a little late with this, but what the heck ;-).
Gi, let me congratulate you to such a brilliant football team - I was so sad when they lost to France. For me they are the winners of Euro 2000. And not only because they are the best looking team (Nuno! Vitor! Joao!) in their darkred/green trikots. ;-)
Now my heart is with Italy (Moon, are you happy?). I liked the match between Netherlands/Italy because the players of the opposite teams were so friendly together.
~Tineke
Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (01:18)
#1797
The blue coat is by Louis Vuitton, the pattern evening dress is by Versace.
Moon, are you happy?
I'm sure she is. I must confess I had to laugh quite a few times during the match last night. I couldn't believe the Dutch missed 5 penalties out of 6!
~patas
Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (06:34)
#1798
(Tineke) I couldn't believe the Dutch missed 5 penalties out of 6!
Especially after Kluivert had been brilliant in the game against Yugoslavia.
BTW, do belgians have the same mixed feelings about the dutch as we have towards the spaniards? ;-)
(Renata)Gi, let me congratulate you to such a brilliant football team - I was so sad when they lost to France. For me they are the winners of Euro 2000. And not only because they are the best looking team (Nuno! Vitor! Joao!) in their darkred/green trikots. ;-)
Thank you, my dear My personal favourite is Luis Figo, but I admit the only ugly one is Dimas, and I could help him there ;-)
I was very disapointed when they lost. They *are* a good bunch and played beautifully. Calling a penalty was cruel at that stage, when the move was apparently only instinctive.
~KarenR
Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (08:22)
#1799
EW online has put the It List up, but only about 20 of the people profiled. No Jennifer. http://www.ew.com/ew/feature/0,1917,219,itlist2000.html
~lafn
Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (08:52)
#1800
(Karen)EW online has put the It List up, but only about 20 of the people profiled. No Jennifer.
I complained...though I hated to since they gave her such a good review in Sunshine.
"The classy cast includes James Frain, Rachel
Weisz, and William Hurt. And none is classier
than recent Tony Award winner Jennifer Ehle as
free thinking Valerie Sonnenschein, the story's
bright center. Another bright detail the luminous Ehle's glowing mother, Rosemary Harris. Grade: B+"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is England out of the running for the Euro Cup? Then I'm cheering for Italy...ODB's other home.
~Tineke
Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (10:07)
#1801
BTW, do belgians have the same mixed feelings about the dutch as we have towards the spaniards? ;-)
LOL!! YES!! We have a love-hate relationship with the Dutch. We've got lots of Dutch friends, we get along very well, but when it comes to sport, we don't want the Dutch to win. There was a survey in Belgium, they asked who should win Euro 2000. About 75% replied it didn't matter as long is it's not Holland. Acutally, I think most people wanted Portugal to win. Of the 4 teams that made it to the semis, Portugal is the only team that has both feet on the ground, that didn't announce for the entire world that they would win. The Dutch tend to be rather arrogant at times and we don't like that. And then there's Kluivert.....let's not start about him. He's lucky he's such a good football player or he'd be in prison. Most Dutch realise that so he's not that popular, but I think all the goals he made makes up for it.
Isn't it funny how all these neighbouring countries feel about each other?
~LauraMM
Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (17:03)
#1802
Tine, I'm surprised that you'd actually be yakking it up about Kluivert, when I did during the World Cup, Lise knocked me down to size! Now what about the blonde (UGH, I forgot his name!! plays for Arsenal during reg season???) Had a crush on him. Found out he doesn't fly, strange bird;)
~LauraMM
Fri, Jun 30, 2000 (17:05)
#1803
oh and Kluivert SHOULD be in prison (rape, vehicular homicide... It's never ending, but he is a BRiLLIANT player)
~Tineke
Sat, Jul 1, 2000 (02:52)
#1804
You mean Dennis Bergkamp? He's probably not going to be there for the World Cup in Japan, unless he takes the boat.
~LauraMM
Sat, Jul 1, 2000 (06:57)
#1805
YES!! Dennis Bergkamp!!! (wow, can you say adorable!!!) He's a great striker (when he's not gunshy;)) (they do serve strong drinks on airplanes;) (has he ever thought of therapy for his unbelievable fear of flying? or read Erica Jong's book??? ;))
Tine, I miss you:(
~patas
Sat, Jul 1, 2000 (17:28)
#1806
I had no idea about Kluivert. I can never look at him in the same way again, of course.
~LauraMM
Sat, Jul 1, 2000 (22:20)
#1807
Yep, Kluivert was charged with Rape and killed a friend while driving drunk. Nice guy, eh?
~Tineke
Mon, Jul 3, 2000 (12:58)
#1808
I feel sorry for Italy. I couldn't believe it, those Frenchies scored in the very last seconds!! The Italians were all up, ready to start partying, thinking they'd won and then....
I believe Dennis Bergkamp will stop playing now anyway.
~CherylB
Mon, Jul 3, 2000 (15:50)
#1809
To all the Americans on this list have a great Independence Day.
To everyone else -- have a really good Tuesday.
To the Europeans -- enjoy the Euro Cup.
~LauraMM
Mon, Jul 3, 2000 (16:30)
#1810
Oh NO! Is he retiring? (geez, he's the same age as me!!!) Oh well, there's always Michael Owen;) Or David Beckham (Okay, shoot me now;)) But Owen, (he's a hottie;))
~alyeska
Mon, Jul 3, 2000 (19:43)
#1811
LOL, A streaker at Wimbleton?
What was it David Niven said when they had one at the Academey Awards something about a fool displaying his inadequacies.
~Renata
Tue, Jul 4, 2000 (00:14)
#1812
To the Europeans -- enjoy the Euro Cup.
I tried to but it wasn't too easy. All the teams I hoped to win didn't. And now Italy - is there a more cruel way to win the second place in any championship? (And I know a certain team which would only be too happy to have gained a second. ;-) )
~patas
Tue, Jul 4, 2000 (03:12)
#1813
(Renate)(And I know a certain team which would only be too happy to have
gained a second. ;-) )
Oh well... Portugal has at least the consolation of having lost only to the champion team ;-)
Happy 4th of July to the US ladies :-)
~patas
Tue, Jul 4, 2000 (14:07)
#1814
Marcia, Guardian of the lists, what birthdays should we celebrate in July?
~alyeska
Tue, Jul 4, 2000 (19:06)
#1815
~patas
Thu, Jul 6, 2000 (08:35)
#1816
CarrieG, what happened to your web site? I seem to have lost it in cyber-world.
The old url sends me to the new one, but the new one is black and void.
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 6, 2000 (08:46)
#1817
Had no idea Sunshine was doing as well at the boxoffice as this! For the week ending Sunday, July 2, Sunshine was in 18th place. Thus far (122 days in release), it has grossed nearly $2 million and is currently playing on 76 screens with a per screen average of $4,117. For the kind of places Sunshine is playing, it's probably packing them in.
~lafn
Thu, Jul 6, 2000 (09:04)
#1818
(Karen)Had no idea Sunshine was doing as well at the boxoffice as this! For the week ending Sunday,July 2, Sunshine was in 18th place
:-))))*Happy* *Happy*
What a season for "The Divine Miz E".
~lafn
Thu, Jul 6, 2000 (20:01)
#1819
US TV Alert - CNN will be reshowing "Millennium: A Thousand Years of History" on Sunday July 9th at 10pm EDT.
Jennifer Ehle narrated part Episode 1, the 11th Century.
~KarenR
Sun, Jul 9, 2000 (10:23)
#1820
HAPPY BIRTHDAY WINTER!!!
or would you rather have this?
~LauraMM
Sun, Jul 9, 2000 (11:36)
#1821
Happy Birthday, Winter!!!
~lafn
Sun, Jul 9, 2000 (11:39)
#1822
Im not as good as Karen ...but my best wishes are the same....
Look who joins me....
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, WINTER
Love, Mr. Knightly
~CherylB
Sun, Jul 9, 2000 (12:58)
#1823
Happy Birthday Winter.
~lafn
Sun, Jul 9, 2000 (13:43)
#1824
Pardon the interruption...
US Television Alert:
LONGITUDE, the 4 hour production, with Michael Gambon & Jeremy Irons will be shown on A&E tonight 8 PM to 12 midnight Eastern Time.
~alyeska
Sun, Jul 9, 2000 (20:16)
#1825
Happy birthday Winter.
~KarenR
Sun, Jul 9, 2000 (21:11)
#1826
Midway through Longitude:
In the wet, frilly white shirt contest:
Michael Gambon - 0
Colin Firth - 10 (really a 15, but I'll confine myself to a 10pt scale)
~MarciaH
Sun, Jul 9, 2000 (21:14)
#1827
HAUOLI NA HANAU, JENN!
dendrobium orchids and roses
~Jana2
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (01:49)
#1828
Dearest winter,
It's still 11:45 p.m. in L.A. so technically it's not too late to wish you a happy day. I hope you had lots of fun today!
~patas
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (02:36)
#1829
Late as usual but... here's looking at you, kid!;-)
Happy belated birthday, Winter!
~Moon
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (06:01)
#1830
WINTER, Happy belated birthday!
~lafn
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (11:08)
#1831
(Karen)Midway through "Longitude"...Michael Gambon - 0
Colin Firth - 10 (really a 15, but I'll confine myself to a 10pt scale)
I lasted through the four hours of "Longitude"....not a compelling plot.
Forgot what a brilliant actor Jeremy Irons really is.Why don't we see him any more?This is the director that did Brideshead???
Michael Gambon....you said it succinctly Karen....."0".
Ian Hart was better IMO.
Short glimpses of Caroline Bingley& Lady Catherine de Bourgh.
With all those white wigs, missed Stephen Fry.
~fitzwd
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (11:17)
#1832
(Evelyn) Forgot what a brilliant actor Jeremy Irons really is.Why don't we see him any more?
Hmmm, did he disappear before or after doing Lolita? :-)
~KarenR
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (12:20)
#1833
(Evelyn) Michael Gambon....you said it succinctly Karen....."0".
This was in the "wet shirt" competition only. MG was fine, as was Jeremy Irons, although I question whether his parallel story was even necessary.
Hardly recognized that Sam West (in powdered wiggie) played the Reverend Maskelyne. You did see the other Blackadder alum? Tim McInnerny (also of NH fame) as another loonie inventor, like Stephen Fry.
~LauraMM
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (12:23)
#1834
I have Chronicles of Narnia on tape. (old BBC version) Sam West plays Prince Caspian. Haven't watched tape yet, but hear that there are a bunch of famous British actors/actresses in it. Will keep log;)
Didn't see Longitude (as it really didn't grab me, and don't have cable;))
~patas
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (12:39)
#1835
Moon, how nice to see you haven't lost touch! :-)
~EileenG
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (14:32)
#1836
Happy belated birthday, Winter!
Kudos to all who made it throught Longitude. I made it 10 minutes (began watching well into the program, after Sex and the City was over. Now you know how my taste in TV programming runs).
~Tracy
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (14:47)
#1837
My dear Winter, belated birthday best wishes.
Am saving up the Crunchie bars for your next visit:-D
~catheyp
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (16:12)
#1838
Happy Birthday Winter. Sorry I'm late. I was off line over the weekend. I hope you had a wonderful day.
~KJArt
Mon, Jul 10, 2000 (17:34)
#1839
Winter: Sorry I missed it, but I'm not allowed online on summer Sundays (Library's closed) :-( .
I desperately tried anyway --
"happy birthday, winter!!!
-- but I guess you didn't hear me from there.
So now that I'm back online, I'll reiterate:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, WINTER!!
[ur ... belatedly ... sorry] Hope it was happy. KJ
~SusanMC
Tue, Jul 11, 2000 (12:24)
#1840
Overall, I liked Longitude, although I also questioned the need for the parallel story. I also questioned why A&E chose to show this in one massive 4-hr. block -- made it hard for even devoted viewers to get through it. After awhile I began amusing myself noticing how many of the actors were former co-stars of JE's -- Sam West, Bill Nighy, Ian Hart, Stephen Fry, Anna Chancellor, Barbara Leigh-Hunt...
Happy belated birthday, Winter. And good to hear from you Moon -- hope you're enjoying your trip.
~Arami
Tue, Jul 11, 2000 (18:18)
#1841
Gi, how's the coast near Lisbon in November? Anything to recommend it? (This is a serious question!)
Thanks in anticipation.
~KarenR
Tue, Jul 11, 2000 (23:04)
#1842
Just FYI, thought this stuff was fun:
This is indeed how D.J.Barton defines the Boffin:" In the UK, any member of the scientific community is referred to as a 'boffin' by the tabloid press. According to them, every boffin wears a white coat, glasses, carries a clipboard and talks incomprehensible rubbish. They may be right."
While, Sir Robert Watson-Watt's definition of a Boffin is: " A researcher of high scientific competence who has learned that a device of great technical elegance, capable of a remarkable performance in the hands of a picked crew, is not necessarily a good weapon of war. He is the instrument for building into
the design provisions which depends on close analysis of the vehicle is to operate, and above all things, the competence of those who are to operate, maintain and repair it." (Quoted by R. Hanbury Brown in his very interesting book "Boffin", Adam Hilger ed.)
But although these definitions seem to have been used during the Second World War, one can find a mention of the name Boffin, in Charles Dickens book, "Our mutual friend". Did Dickens invent the word "Boffin"?
Nothing is less sure as the Boffins were, following Cliff Baughen, a well known family of confectioners and bakers in Oxford in the end of the last century.
Finally, please note that this page should not be mistaken for the Boffin Limited's Homepage!
(couldn't get that page http://www.boffin.com to respond right now)
~lafn
Wed, Jul 12, 2000 (08:26)
#1843
Would "boffin" in reference to a scientist be equivalent to actors being called "luvies" by the tabloids? BTW would appreciate translation of that Brit-speak from anyone.Is it considered a pejorative term by an actor?
Or is it just slang?(Would one use it in polite conversation?)
~patas
Wed, Jul 12, 2000 (10:08)
#1844
(Arami)Gi, how's the coast near Lisbon in November? Anything to recommend it? (This is a serious question!)
Thanks in anticipation.
This is the Atlantic... Therefore you will probably find it cold, with big waves, and if the weather is good, very beautiful.
Good to look at, impossible to swim in (but if you're a surfer, it's another story...)
:-)
~judy
Wed, Jul 12, 2000 (12:50)
#1845
Evelyn I'll try to explain the term 'luvie'[luvvie or
luvvy]and its use by the British press.I think the term
was derived from actors effusive greeting of each
other.I've always associated it with the older
generation of actors,a lot are probably now dead,but
I don't think they found it derogatory.Today it seems
to be used as almost an insult or to poke fun at the
acting profession.I must stress this is only my opinion
CF,in an old interview,had this to say about actors
and acting.This may explain it better.
'The trouble is we become a little precious.We're
spoiled because we're permitted to operate outside
normal conventions.We hug and kiss-just to say hello..We cherish the notion that one day we'll write or
direct and prove we're not simply a luv.I am no
exception'.
~Arami
Wed, Jul 12, 2000 (13:37)
#1846
This is the Atlantic... cold, with big waves, ...very beautiful.
Good to look at, impossible to swim in...
Thanks, Gi: that sorts out the ocean... Anything to recommend the dry land?:-) What could one do in Estoril for a week around November? Would it be easy to get to Lisbon by car and is parking reasonable there? (I'm asking on behalf of MDH who is scouring the map of Europe in search of ideas for a brief but interesting break...)
~KarenR
Wed, Jul 12, 2000 (15:04)
#1847
Things being as slow as they are... ;-)
~LauraMM
Wed, Jul 12, 2000 (15:14)
#1848
LOL, THAT IS THE FUNNIEST thing I have seen in a long time, but whose bday?
Evelyn??? Donna? I'm at a loss!!!
~fitzwd
Wed, Jul 12, 2000 (17:36)
#1849
(Laura) I'm at a loss!!!
Me too!
~alyeska
Wed, Jul 12, 2000 (22:40)
#1850
Have not been here for a few days but Happy birthday Moon.
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (10:00)
#1851
Happy Birthday, Heavy Evie!!! ;
I've got my cake, where's yours?
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (10:23)
#1852
~EileenG
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (10:37)
#1853
Poor Annie...he squished her eyes out...oops, forgot, she has no eyes. ROTFLOL, Karen!
Now, let's see about this birthday gal.
*sigh* When is that Firth fella going to fly over my head and get his butt on Broadway? I've been holdin' up this #*&^% torch for ages, just to light the way. C'mon, Colin, my friend Evelyn is waiting!
The crowds are already lining up.
Can't you see your name here? My friend Evelyn can. C'mon over, Colin. That's a good lad. As another one of my close friends used to sing, if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere...
So get your a** over here, pal, and make my friend Evelyn happy. I'm not gettin' any younger. Oof, my shoulder's killin' me! And didja ever try standin' here wit sandals on in the middle of winter? Da*n, this crown's makin' my head itch...
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (10:51)
#1854
(Eileen) As another one of my close friends used to sing, if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere...
Didn't realize that you and Frank and/or Liza were like this *holding up two fingers* But should've guessed you NJ-ites would be. LOL!!
~EileenG
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (10:55)
#1855
Er, it's not me, sweetie, it's Lady Liberty :-P
~LauraMM
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (10:56)
#1856
Happy Happy Happy Birthday, Evelyn!!! What a wonderful day to celebrate too!!!
~EileenG
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (11:06)
#1857
Hmm, what does that card say? *squint*
Dear Evelyn,
I've been told you have a particular fondness for Chardonnay. Please accept this gift in honor of your birthday. It comes with particular appreciation for all you've done as a faithful fan--especially your efforts to rile up the British people to show more support for my films.
Fondly,
Clin Fith
X
PS. Thank you for your kind advice about my wardrobe and your tips on crossing Upper Street.
~Moon
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (11:40)
#1858
Birthday greetings from London, Evelyn! So glad I stopped by on your day.
Had a lovely meeting with Mark at the Tate Modern today. Will be off to Italy tomorrow so you won't be hearing from me for a while. Have a wonderful summer, see you in late August.
~lafn
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (11:48)
#1859
Hey ..you guys....gettin' my grannie glasses on....(over the contacts that is...).Thank you for remembering...Karen..you outdid yourself with Annie...
Eileen...you are right...what a gift that would be to see ODB's lovely a** on B'way. Kathy Gifford 'n me!
I'll sit in the first row with my new CF tee shirt and sip Chardonnay!!!
....especially your efforts to rile up the British people to show more support for my films.
Films...nevah!! Only the "telly"....;-))
Heavie Evie off to the Chardonnay!!
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (12:20)
#1860
~EileenG
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (12:32)
#1861
"Pardon? Marguerite, stop coughing and speak up. I can't hear you over that incessant violin music. Thank you, mon cherie, that's better. Yes, darling, I am aware not many people like Camille, but Evelyn does and it's her birthday.
Happy birthday, dearest Evelyn! With love from Armaaaaah
~judy
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (12:33)
#1862
Happy Birthday Evelyn
~LauraMM
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (13:27)
#1863
LOL, oh these are too funny!
~winter
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (14:47)
#1864
my goodness!
I'm gone for a few days and look what lovely birthday wishes I find waiting for me here! Thank you so much, to all of you!!!!!!! I will save my 'presents' on disk!
and happy Birthday Evelyn!!!! May you have a great day and a great year! We couldn't have a better time here without you!
~Tracy
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (15:04)
#1865
Happy Birthday Evelyn. Have a good one!
~lafn
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (15:28)
#1866
Thank you dear friends for you refinedfelicitations....Moon,Laura,Judy, Tracy and Dame Winter.
~~~~~~~~
As for the rest of you (and you know who you are)... better watch out...you have birthdays too...and I'm taking notes....
*winkie*, *winkie*
~MarciaH
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (15:38)
#1867
HAUOLI NA HANAU, EVELYN DEAR
This is the only picture of your favorite multiple-strings-of-Pikake lei that I could find. It is the most lovely scent from little ivory flowers - Jessamine.
Hope you have a lovely day!
~lafn
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (15:44)
#1868
Mahalo,Marcia dear.
Pikake is my fave....I'm getting the sweet scent thousands of miles away..
......every girl should get "leid" on her birthday.
~fitzwd
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (16:04)
#1869
BUCK'S FIZZ ALL AROUND - Let's celebrate these birthday gals!
~lafn
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (16:10)
#1870
Just want you to know that I share birthdays with....
Bob Crane 1928 Waterbury, CT
Cheech Marin 1946 Los Angeles, CA
Fatboy Slim 1963 Bromley, England
Harrison Ford 1942 Chicago, IL
Patrick Stewart 1940 Mirfield, England
Robert Forster 1941 Rochester, NY
and....
Professor Sir Ghillean Prance, director of the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew,
Pretty classy, uh?
Don't know about Fatboy Slim....sounds like a rapstar.
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (16:13)
#1871
Any truth to the rumor, Colin, that you've fired your agent and are signing with the Heavie Evie Agency and she has lined up some Oscar-calibre scripts?
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (16:16)
#1872
~catheyp
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (16:18)
#1873
Happy Birthday Evelyn. I hope you are having (have had) a wonderful day. Cheers!!
~lafn
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (16:19)
#1874
(Karen)Any truth to the rumor, Colin, that you've fired your agent and are signing with the Heavie Evie Agency and she has lined up some Oscar-calibre scripts?
No, No. That's later....
Tony Scripts. Think Broadway
~~~~~~~~
Thank you Donna, and your friend Henry.
Buck's Fizz is right up there with Chardonnay.
BTW can't wait to hear from Ann W. who has spoken to both
Stephen and Jennifer on Broadway!!
~patas
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (16:21)
#1875
Happy Birthday Evelyn!
May you have good reasons to fly all over the world ;-)
...good reasons to drink to ;-)
...good reasons to take a dive in the Pond ;-)
"Evelyn, this is cold, come along and warm it up!
~lafn
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (17:48)
#1876
Thanks Gi...
I welcome the chance to share a good bottle of wine (even Tesco's isn't bad)with friends, I fly anywhere at the drop of a hat....even for a CF/JE film!!As for that fella' goin for a swim....anytime:-)
~heide
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (17:58)
#1877
Ooh, here's Fatboy himself here to share his destiny (or at least a ciggy) with birthday-mate Evelyn
Happy Birthday!
Coming from all over the solar system to wish you a happy one -
~lafn
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (20:32)
#1878
Heide...thanks for the pin-up of Fatboy....my soul-mate...Hey...notice the white laces on the black trainers!!
Think I'll pick Patrick Stewart instead:-)
~KJArt
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (21:48)
#1879
Evelyn --
I've been digging around for an appropriate birthday greeting,
but I haven't dug up anything yet.
Why don't you stick with my assistant digger while I pursue other channels?....KJ
~KJArt
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (22:53)
#1880
Certain insects are inquiring...
Why, it's Evelyn's Birthday!
So the birds do it too...
Not to mention amphibians...
And even nondescript dots do it...
We're all celebrating, so bring on the party!
Oh, and by the way...
Happy Birthday, Evelyn! (if a bit late) ;-) KJ
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 13, 2000 (23:03)
#1881
A riot, KJ!! "use fewer candles" LOL! Reminds me of this one:
~Brown32
Fri, Jul 14, 2000 (07:01)
#1882
Hey, I'm late!
So sorry I missed the party....but I do have card for the birthday girl.
HAPPY
BIRTHDAY, EVELYN
~SusanMC
Fri, Jul 14, 2000 (09:48)
#1883
Oh dear, sorry I missed your party, Evelyn -- Happy Belated Birthday, hope you had a great one:-)
~lafn
Fri, Jul 14, 2000 (10:49)
#1884
Thank you everyone...Karen, KJ, Susan, Murph...did I forget anyone???
Confucius says:
To enjoy birthdays....Best Count Backwards ;-)
~lafn
Fri, Jul 14, 2000 (10:57)
#1885
Request:
Murph, apropos of the darling B'day card...I never really disliked Lord Wessex....and for sure the Wessex in your story in the New World. We have several newbies who would appreciate reading it...is it still somewhere on your website? If not could you give it a command performance, puhleeze?
~amw
Fri, Jul 14, 2000 (10:59)
#1886
I am so sorry to have missed your Birthday party Evelyn, I logged on quickly yesterday but missed this topic, ran out of time. Please accept my apologies and accept my sincere belated Happy Birthday wishes, speak to you on Sunday. Hope you had a lovely day. BTW Jennifer was charming but I had to chase after Stephen! (Have a cute story too)
~Brown32
Fri, Jul 14, 2000 (16:25)
#1887
Gee, Evelyn, thanks for the plug. If you are counting backwards, think of me, who will be 68 in a month!!!!!
I guarantee you will all love this Lord Wessex!
Thanks to the Three Deer at Firth.com, the story is still hanging around. It is in several parts, but begins here:
http://www.firth.com/html/newworld.html
~judy
Fri, Jul 14, 2000 (16:34)
#1888
Murph as a newbie I have to confess to having been
around since last xmas in the depths of lurkdom,here
on drool but also on your wonderful website.I loved
your follow on story -justice has been served to LordWessex at last!
~CherylB
Sat, Jul 15, 2000 (11:31)
#1889
Evelyn, I missed it -- but you didn't. Hope you had a great birthday. Have a wonderful year.
~amw
Sat, Jul 15, 2000 (13:32)
#1890
~patas
Sun, Jul 16, 2000 (07:33)
#1891
Arami, there's lots of things to see and do between Estoril and Lisbon. There are also trains to take you from one to the other. Driving in Portugal is on the right side of the road, and parking in Lisbon is pretty chaotic, although there are parking garages and parking meters.
Darlene was here last November and she liked it well enough that she came back in February :-) Of course, she and her S.O. told us what their interests were so we sent them in the right directions, we'd be pleased to do the same for you, and of course have some time together if you like. Why don't you e-mail me?
~KarenR
Sun, Jul 16, 2000 (12:05)
#1892
From the July 13 Scotsman:
EVELYN WAUGH REVISITED by Aidan Smith
Remember Brideshead Revisited? The big house, the teddy bears, the divine decadence of it all? Channel 4 rather hopes you do, especially for the elegant satire of Evelyn Waugh, which is why we're all gathered in the summer drizzle outside a hotel in East Lothian, at the foot of the Lammermuir Hills, watching Leslie Phillips stomp around the grounds in a green tweed suit.
The 17th-century Johnstounburn House, near Humbie, boasts a lush croquet lawn and some fine yew hedges, but compared to Castle Howard, which stood in for Marchmain in Brideshead, it's just a shed at the bottom of the garden. Television doesn't make them like Brideshead any more - they take too long and cost too much. Sword Of Honour, by today's standards, is still a biggie, with its pounds 6 million-plus budget and a cast of hundreds, but it capture a different Waugh: he had given up hanging out with all those gay young blades and gone to war. And Waugh really is the key. In fact, looking at Phillips today, he could be playing Waugh in his later years, when the great man of letters adopted the role of a cantankerous Tory squire and affected an ear trumpet.
The nation's favourite old smoothie, Phillips, is cast in the role of Gervase Crouchback, father of the hero and Waugh's alter ego, Guy Crouchback. It's a small part, and the veteran actor insists he only gets these show-stealing cameos because everyone else of his generation has gone "up there", as he signals skywards with his shooting stick.
Phillips is just passing though, but for the Scots writer William Boyd, who has penned the screenplay for this saga of battle and bungle, Sword Of Honour is a labour of love. "I'm a mild Waugh obsessive," he admits. And Boyd, who previously scripted his literary idol's Scoop, has taken time out from writing his latest novel at his retreat in France to see his adaptation come to life.
"I taught him at university and I've read every word he's written. Sword Of Honour is the best British novel to come out of the Second World War and it's also Waugh's most autobiographical." A trilogy, the books have been boiled down to two, two-hour chunks of primetime; the producers are TalkBack, and Boyd was brought in by his friend Mel Smith, one of its founders. "It's been my dream job - one of those great, serendipitous challenges."
Crouchback is played by Daniel Craig, whose piercing blue eyes left their mark on Our Friends In The North. At first Craig turned down the role, telling Scots director Bill Anderson to go and find someone posh. "Daniel had never played posh before but that's why I wanted him, to cast against type and try to find Crouchback's soul," explains Anderson.
Twenty-one years ago, the Brideshead dramatisation was massively popular, despite its lazy pace and woozy scenes of homosexuality, neither of which are usually uppermost among the expectations of couch potatoes when they tune in to ITV. But why do Waugh now? Anderson says Sword Of Honour is much more gritty. "There's no swanning around in gondolas in Venice, swooning over young men with teddy bears," he asserts, in the manner of the oil-rig roustabout he used to be. Producer Gillian McNeill, who completes the Scottish triumvirate which is bringing the epic to the small screen, adds: "It's a love story, and as far as I know they haven't gone out of fashion."
In the books, Crouchback's war shadows that of his creator, through the shambolic evacuation of Crete and on to a liaison with Tito's partisans in Yugoslavia. Waugh himself trained as a Marine on Arran, and the island - which he re-named Mugg - features in the dramatisation. But the television version cranks up Crouchback's doomed romance with society beauty Virginia Troy.
According to Boyd, Troy is a typical Waugh woman. Following the collapse of his first marriage to Evelyn Gardiner after just four months, Waugh's mood darkened. He wrote the tragicomedy about adultery, A Handful Of Dust, and converted to Catholicism. Boyd believes he "re-invented" Gardiner in all his subsequent fiction.
"At the time he wrote Sword Of Honour, Waugh had re-married to Laura Herbert who was having child after child, but in all his later novels there's a certain kind of woman - beautiful, brittle, sophisticated, and yet sort of cruel - and I've always thought there were modelled on Evelyn. They're siren seductresses who lure and torment the heroes."
After his own disastrous marriage, the hero of Sword of Honour is a disappointed man. Crouchback needs a sense of purpose, and finds it in the crusade against tyranny. "Waugh often created alter egos which weren't much like him - tall, good-looking, aristocratic - and Crouchback is all of these things," says Boyd.
But while they had similar wars, they differed as soldiers. Crouchback is modest and diligent while Waugh was an appalling officer. Boyd explains: "Sir Fitzroy Maclean (the war hero and diplomat, reputed to be the inspiration for James Bond) knew Waugh at the end of the war in Yugoslavia and told me he never knew an officer more loathed and detested by his men. If they had gone into battle there was a serious risk they would have shot him."
The big cast includes an American actress, Megan Dodds, as Troy - but not for the obvious reason of hoping she will help sell the production over there. "Virginia is a wild woman with no shame - I decided a New World actress could do that better than an English Rose-type," reveals Anderson. Dodds is enjoying working in the homeland of her great-grandfather for the first time. "I'd never seen my name on anything before, but the other day a Dodds Transport truck passed us - that was cool," she says. Julian Rhind-Tutt, meanwhile, has a name straight out of the pages of Waugh. Hilarious as the layabout aristo in the sitcom, Hippies, he plays a Ministry of Defence information officer. "I'm an early incarnation of the spin doctor," says Rhind-Tutt, who wishes he had been around when Brideshead was being cast.
That landmark production was nine years in the making, but revisiting the so-called golden era of television drama is impossible - its like will never be seen again. Sword Of Honour is being shot in a mere 14 weeks and, with the books travelling the length of the war and beyond, across nine different countries, corners are having to be cut.
Majorca is doubling as Crete, as well as a few other places, while today East Lothian is standing in for the south coast of England. "We've done the entire Second World War with just two Germans," reveals McNeill. But the production is far from a string-and-sealing wax affair. "For the re-enactment of the retreat from Crete, we had 350 extras in a single shot," adds Anderson. "It was like a weird fuzzy logic dream because none of them spoke English, but it worked."
So who will watch yet another drama about a war which has now slipped into the previous century? "It's all about how to be a man, and that couldn't be more contemporary," says Anderson. And he also points up resonances with the recent internecine conflict in what used to be Yugoslavia. "The partisans were Communists, but Britain helped them because they were good at suppressing the Nazis. It was a horrible marriage of convenience ... and Crete was a military debacle that isn't much talked about. The echoes in the recent conflict, with the United Nations going in to stop the fighting and then being held to ransom, are uncanny."
Boyd himself once wrote: "In war is to be found the randomness, chaos and real character of the world." In Sword Of Honour, Waugh tried to pin down the randomness, chaos and real character of war, and succeeded brilliantly. Time will tell if, all those long years later, television finally does his greatest work justice.
'Sword Of Honour' will be screened on Channel 4 early next year.
~Brown32
Sun, Jul 16, 2000 (19:57)
#1893
Fun quiz in the Guardian on Brit actors being the bad guys in US films. Picture of Mr. Rickman.
http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/quiz/questions/0,5952,343447,00.html
And this fun page - mood matchers. We could adapt this to Colin. I think I might for my web page. Anyone up for some good "mood" ideas?
http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/moodmatcher/
~Brown32
Sun, Jul 16, 2000 (20:00)
#1894
Crouchback is played by Daniel Craig, whose piercing blue eyes left their mark on Our Friends In The North. At first Craig turned down the role, telling Scots director Bill Anderson to go and find someone posh. "Daniel had never played posh before but that's why I wanted him, to cast against type and try to find Crouchback's soul," explains Anderson.
**********
Yikes, Karen, another one of my fav actors. Great news.
~alyeska
Sun, Jul 16, 2000 (23:37)
#1895
Sorry I miss your birthday Evelyn. Haven't been around for a few days. I hope you had a rip roaring good one.
~lafn
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (10:53)
#1896
Thank you Lucie ,Cheryl and Ann for the birthday greetings.......
am still recovering....all that Chardonnay, you know;-))
~SadieR
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (12:41)
#1897
Have discovered Evelyn's whereabouts! Happy belated birthday! And to Winter as well!
Camping was, well, campy.
~patas
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (14:44)
#1898
(SadieR)Camping was, well, campy.
I trust you didn't come across any Blair witches though ;-)
~Tracy
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (16:02)
#1899
(SadieR)Camping was, well, campy.
Was it the full sleeping bag under the stars, impossible-to-erect tent and insects in your food bit? You haven't lived until you've found half an earwig in your beans!
~CherylB
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (16:12)
#1900
Maybe it was spending all night in a canoe on the lake while the bears were ripping your tent to shreds and eating all of your food?
I hope not.
~Tracy
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (16:22)
#1901
At least that's one good thing to say about England.. no bears roaming about ripping tents up and generally making a nuisance of themselves.
Seriously, was thinking perhaps of going camping in a week or so but am now decided, am chicken and will therefore probably book myself into nice country cottage for extended mini-break. Probably going to the Peak District (Derbyshire - Darcy country) and may get a chance to take a trip to Lyme Park (Pemberley).
Hmmm... have had thought maybe people not interested in travel plans. Maybe people fast asleep...shhhh! Would account for lack of activity tonight.
~CherylB
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (16:38)
#1902
Since I know that you, Tracy, are of course the real Bridget Jones. You are going to be strolling about in your lovely empire frock and pelisse.
Have fun.
~sprin5
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (18:39)
#1903
I would love to hear about your travels, Tracy!
~Arami
Mon, Jul 17, 2000 (19:08)
#1904
[Thanks, Gi - I will.]
~SadieR
Tue, Jul 18, 2000 (00:11)
#1905
Thanks for asking about my trip, very kind! DD
Nothing ontoward happened on camping trip (aside from usual insect harrassment). That's just it --- nothing happened! Am thinking of composing something on BJD board about it, but first must compose myself!
Tracy, your trip sounds wonderful. May I suggest: FORGET CAMPING, the great thing about Europe is that there are lots and lots of people TO TALK TO, and their answers are more interesting than insects'.
~judy
Tue, Jul 18, 2000 (16:03)
#1906
Tracy I think you were spying on me,I fell asleep in
the chair last night at 9.30!
Your trip to the Peak District sounds great but I
have one reservation-'Are the shades of Pemberley
to be thus polluted?'Couldn't resist,sorry! is this your
first visit to Lyme or is it one of many?
Sadie hurry up with your composition for the BJD
board,its been very quiet on there it needs pepping up
~KarenR
Tue, Jul 18, 2000 (16:11)
#1907
'Are the shades of Pemberley to be thus polluted?'
Who here hasn't used that phrase in her best Lady C condescending tone? But now that I look at it, what the !@#$ does it mean? How can one pollute shades? Is there some other meaning for "shades" not covered in my Random House Unabridgeted [;-)] dictionary? If not, maybe I shall go pollute the Pemberley board with my question. ;-) (happy thoughts, indeed)
~judy
Tue, Jul 18, 2000 (16:52)
#1908
Okay guilty as charged unoriginality is my middle name.
~amw
Tue, Jul 18, 2000 (17:02)
#1909
Evelyn, I see "Sunshine" is at #14 in the US Box Office, not bad for a film with little publicity and only playing at 122 theatres.
~mari
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (01:13)
#1910
Hi dears, am finally able to check in with you all, from lovely Lake Tahoe. I see we have some campers here, or potential campers. Before Tahoe, we spent three days in Yosemite Nat'l Park--gorgeous. I didn't see any bears but I did spot some bear tracks. That was enough for me--I was off that trail and outta there quicker than you can say "None of these park rangers look even remotely like Joe Prince.";-) Gave new meaning to the expression *not a happy camper.*;-)
Ann, I'd love to hear more about your NY adventure and meeting JE and SD. You're right, Sunshine is doing well and they've increased the number of theaters--playing in 10 in the LA area (don't hit me, Evelyn, but is it too soon to start the Oscar talk for JE?:) I just saw in the local paper that it's up here in Reno too.
Speaking of traveling . . .I see there may be cause for a Toronto trip? As luck would have it, I think I'm scheduled for jury duty in early September; I guess I'll have to do what most fine, upstanding, law-abiding citizens here do--lie like hell to get out of it.;-)
A very happy belated birthday to Winter and to Evelyn!
Don't know if this has been posted, but I just read that Jennifer is being considered for the role of the Queen Mum in a TV film.
Talk soon, thinking of you all . . .
~KarenR
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (09:45)
#1911
Nice to see you checking in with us, Mari. Any celeb sightings, like Yogi? ;-)
~lafn
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (11:14)
#1912
Hi Mari...thanks for thinking of us...we miss you ole buddie:-(
Re: JE in Queen Mum TV Film
Godferbid....I'd rather see her in a going-nowhere-Brit movie.
The rest of the DM article said:
"The idea, which looks certain to attract controversy, is being developed by Carlton Television, and scripts are being written by Nigel Williams, who adapted Michael Dibdin's novel Dirty Tricks.
The news will be a blow to Prince Edward's company Ardent, which has twice announced plans to make a drama about the Queen Mother but has so far failed to produce one. The Prince is said to have faced opposition and obstruction from the Queen Mother. "
That rumor has been around for years...Like the Tony Blair one, IMO ITV just
puts that out there to bring attenion to the project.
(Mari)Sunshine is doing well and they've increased the number of theaters--playing in 10 in the LA area
(don't hit me, Evelyn, but is it too soon to start the Oscar talk for JE?:)
LOL...Me?...I was ecstatic when she got the Tony nomination.I play the tape almost daily...what a thrill.
Oscar nom? Actually, the NY times reviewer humorously said JE and RH would be competing and RF would compete with himself..(plays 3 roles!)
Anyway....it's been a hell-uv-a ride.
~lafn
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (11:24)
#1913
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SILVIE...
~patas
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (12:32)
#1914
Happy Birthday Silvie!
Have a wonderful day!
~catheyp
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (16:02)
#1915
Hi Silvie
Hope you have a marvellous birthday with lots of Firthful moments.
~Tracy
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (16:44)
#1916
Many Happy Returns, Sylvie!
~KarenR
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (16:49)
#1917
Sylvia
~Tracy
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (16:57)
#1918
(Judy) 'Are the shades of Pemberley to be thus polluted?'Couldn't resist,sorry! is this your first visit to Lyme or is it one of many?
Could it be that you cast nasturtiums on my good character - would that I should sully the pristine environs of Pemberley? Wot me, nevah! ;-D
Seriously (with no offence taken) it will (hopefully if I can find a place to stay) be my first time at Lyme Park. I've heard so much about it, I believe Winter you or JenK were singing it's praises to me earlier on in the year - so if I can make it I will.
Cheryl, I'm just going to have to run up a frock or two aren't I (;-D) in manner of top seamstress!
~judy
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (17:21)
#1919
Have a great birthday Sylvie
Is it me or are there a lot of birthday girls around
here?
~judy
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (17:30)
#1920
Tracy try and make it to Lyme if you can its a great
place even without its P&P connections-not
intending to be sacrilegious.I'm sure they can clean
up after you've left!!After once again insulting you,a
peace offering-if you need any info about Lyme
opening times or prices I can help.
~KarenR
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (17:37)
#1921
Gi and Heide (and anyone else) - Check out topic 6. I've posted the pics of Mel. :-)
~judy
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (17:40)
#1922
Karen I think I must be stalking you-I've just been
there and now you're here.
~lafn
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (17:46)
#1923
I'm interested in Lyme Park info too, gang.It's at the top of my wish list "someday".Tracy, sleuth -out accomodations...that sounds ideal. Instead of the marathon trip from London return in a day by train.
~KarenR
Wed, Jul 19, 2000 (22:27)
#1924
Rob Reiner�s legendary rock mockumentary This Is Spinal Tap is staging a UK come-back tour.
The spoof story of spandex-clad heavy rock band Spinal Tap, infamous for such "classics" as Big Bottom, Bitch School and Stonehenge, will get a theatrical re-release in October through independent UK distributor Optimum Releasing.
Optimum has struck a joint-venture pact with US studio MGM and France�s Studiocanal for the release, which will link with MGM and Studiocanal�s previously-announced US re-release in September. The UK partnership includes distribution of a special edition video and DVD.
"We are sharing costs; we are sharing the upside and the downside," said Optimum chief Will Clarke.
Optimum is opening the 1983 film, which spawned tie-in albums such as Break Like The Wind, on 25 prints. Clarke plans to capitalise on the start of the university term.
"It�s an absolutely massive cult classic," Clarke said. "It seems to be getting more and more notoriety."
Optimum has enjoyed considerable success with re-releases such as the current outing for A Bout De Souffle (Breathless). Jean-Luc Godard�s 1959 film reaped $34,191 from five screens on its second weekend of release, bringing its cumulative total to more than $100,000.
The re-release mirrors Optimum�s success with The Third Man last year when it went up against Star Wars: Episode One - The Phantom Menace during the summer. The 1949 British noir finished its run with $400,000.
~~~~~~~~~
Wonder if they're considering a re-release of SLOW? Do you think they even had 25 prints of it? How about a special edition DVD? It too could be a "cult" classic!! ;-)
~patas
Thu, Jul 20, 2000 (02:57)
#1925
(KarenR)Gi and Heide (and anyone else) - Check out topic 6. I've posted the pics of Mel. :-)
Thanks, Karen :-)
~CherylB
Thu, Jul 20, 2000 (17:08)
#1926
I hope you had a wonderful birthday, Silvie. Have a great year.
~lafn
Thu, Jul 20, 2000 (17:14)
#1927
"Speed the Plow"a David Mamet play with Neil Morrisey has posted that it will close early on Aug.19. It opened June 29th.And had been booking til Sept. 9th.
~~~~
Brendan Fraser told Variety that he has been approached to play Brick in cat on Hot Tin Roof in the West End next spring. His co-star will probably be Frances O'Conner (Mansfield Pk), his co-star in the new film "Bedazzled".
[That's the role JE wants to play..."Don't do it Jennifer with Brendan".]
~heide
Thu, Jul 20, 2000 (18:27)
#1928
Sorry I missed Silvie's birthday. Is she still here? If so, hope you had a happy one.
(Karen) How can one pollute shades? maybe I shall go pollute the Pemberley board with my question. ;-)
If you don't find it there, you won't find it anywhere but RWL anyway.
(Mari) am finally able to check in with you all, from lovely Lake Tahoe.
Of course! Was wondering where you were.
"None of these park rangers look even remotely like Joe Prince.";-)
LOL and I suppose no little tree frogs either.
~CherylB
Thu, Jul 20, 2000 (19:13)
#1929
On the upside there may well be no one with multiple personality disorder who looks like Lisa Zane.
~Arami
Thu, Jul 20, 2000 (20:44)
#1930
Gi - sorry, apparently we can't make Portugal this time. DH can't fit his dates etc - so we'll have to postpone the visit to another time. And I so want to see Lisboa!
~SadieR
Fri, Jul 21, 2000 (02:36)
#1931
Late as usual. Happy belated birthday, Silvie!
~july
Fri, Jul 21, 2000 (09:13)
#1932
Hi all, thnx for your b/day wishes - I was away and could not write on that day. I have replied individually to some but was unable to get through to Tracy - Thnx Sadie and Tracy and all for making it so particular -
~lafn
Fri, Jul 21, 2000 (10:56)
#1933
(Arami)And I so want to see Lisboa!
Not to be missed...I recommend it to everyone who visits Europe.
Something for everyone..absolutely charming people and divine wine.
~~~~~
July? Is that you Silvie? Why the new nom de plume ;-)
~lafn
Fri, Jul 21, 2000 (11:11)
#1934
JE On A&E
This Sunday A&E will re-show Breakfast with the Arts interview with Jennifer. It shows from 9 to 11AM Eastern time. Pl. check your local listing for this show.
this show was taped prior to Jennifer winning the Tony.
The interview with host Elliott Forrest is only 30 minutes long.
~patas
Sat, Jul 22, 2000 (16:54)
#1935
(Arami)Gi - sorry, apparently we can't make Portugal this time. DH can't fit his dates etc - so we'll have to postpone the visit to another time. And I so want to see Lisboa!
Now that you've thought of it, I'm sure I can expect your visit sooner or later :-)
(Evelyn)Not to be missed...I recommend it to everyone who visits Europe.
Something for everyone..absolutely charming people and divine wine.
I'm happy and proud that you think so, Evelyn :-)
July? Is that you Silvie? Why the new nom de plume ;-)
Yes... I was puzzled too...
~july
Sat, Jul 22, 2000 (17:17)
#1936
July - it's just easier to remember my password LOL!
~july
Sat, Jul 22, 2000 (17:41)
#1937
Ann W - I sent you a msg privately and it got returned. Could you write me off list pls? Thnx :-)
~judy
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (07:48)
#1938
While drool has been quite I've been re-reading old
posts,I'm up to 1997 and its made me curious about
how long some of you have been publically drooling,
I've only had internet access since last xmas (&
lurked for 6 months) otherwise I would have been
here sooner.Also it made me wonder what happened
to previous frequent droolers who seem to just
suddenly disappear.
I did read something that made me really laugh and
that I had not heard of before which was that CF wasmentioned in relation to My Fair Lady production for
2000.Is this the one with Martine Mc whatever in and
if so what a relief he didn't do it!
~heide
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (08:01)
#1939
That's an ambitious project, Judy. I delurked toward the end of 1997, I think. I'm surprised (and pleased) at how many of the real originals still post. I imagine the others just lost interest which is why it's so imperative to keep getting new blood (heheh) like you to keep the salivation going.
made me really laugh and that I had not heard of before which was that CF wasmentioned in relation to My Fair Lady
Honey, that sets me rolling too. To be fair, it's not the thought of him doing Pygmalion that's funny. I just can't imagine Colin singing "How to Handle a Woman" from the Lerner/Loewe version (or was it Rodgers & Hammerstein?-sorry). I don't know what the 2000 production was.
~KarenR
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (09:04)
#1940
Re-reading old posts! Oh my! They are a hoot (as I've recently gone back over the Bridget stuff looking for links to online interviews for the Bucket page) and have actually LOL'd many times.
Judy, a couple of old Colin topics were wiped out by an overly ambitious new host (who shall remain nameless) who was trying to be technically clever. ;-) Was the old right/left discussion and list still there?
Let's see, I delurked sometime in '97 and, as Nan can testify, I was chomping at the bit to have my share of the conversation, but there were technical problems and the system wasn't accepting new people's posts. With enough prompting (read: nagging) by certain newbies, the problem got fixed and we got onboard and haven't stopped.
~lafn
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (09:13)
#1941
(Karen)Re-reading old posts! Oh my! They are a hoot
I wish someone would wipe mine out!
(Judy)Also it made me wonder what happened
to previous frequent droolers who seem to just
suddenly disappear.
They're still there... lurking. I get emails from some .All still devoted Colin fans.
But trust me, mention Spring Reunion and they come outta the woodwork!!
~KarenR
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (09:54)
#1942
Couldn't resist. Funny article in the NY Daily News:
Wanna-Be Sopranos Mob N.J.
Thousands turned away in TV show shot
Fuhgeddaboudit!
The streets around Harrison High School in Harrison, N.J., were mobbed with mob look-alikes yesterday morning, after an open casting call for HBO's hit series "The Sopranos" shut the door on opportunity early, the turnout overwhelming expectations and the local cops' capabilities.
All morning, wanna-be Sopranos inched along the New Jersey Turnpike and Interstate 280 toward their hoped-for 15 minutes of TV fame.
By 10 a.m., so many hopefuls had arrived that Harrison cops called for reinforcements.
Read the rest here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/2000-07-23/News_and_Views/Beyond_the_City/a-74202.asp
~judy
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (10:46)
#1943
(Heidi)That's an ambitious project.well you never get
anywhere without ambition-Colin take note..
As far as I'm aware My Fair Lady 2000 is still in
rehearsal & features a British soap star turned singeras ED and she is not someone I would like to see CF
work with.
Karen I hope the right/left discussion is what my
dirty mind thinks it is,but alas I've not come across ityet but I've only just read your debut so it must be
upcoming.
I've read about everbody's hopes for ATA & its
subsequent disappointment-oh dear somethings never
change
Another subject is his slim body & whether to workoutor not,still topical today-ah well some things never
change II
~KarenR
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (11:35)
#1944
Yes, we do tend to rehash certain subjects (or beat them to death) ;-)
~Tracy
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (14:35)
#1945
(Judy)...British soap star turned singeras ED and she is not someone I would like to see CF work with
Ditto, ditto, ditto...mind you I don't think anyone could actually work with Martine McCutcheon (or whatever-it-is) on stage since her ego seems to take up most of the room!
(Heide) I just can't imagine Colin singing "How to Handle a Woman"
That's an interesting thought...I haven't seen him do anything particularly musical as yet (Ok there was the TEP 'Bananas' episode and the strange David Bowie-esque rendition of some Tudor ditty in SIL ...as I say nothing particularly musical ;-D) are there any serious musical Colin moments that I don't know about?
~alyeska
Sun, Jul 23, 2000 (23:28)
#1946
Late again but Happy Birthday Sylvie
~patas
Mon, Jul 24, 2000 (04:03)
#1947
(Karen)Re-reading old posts! Oh my! They are a hoot
(Evelyn)I wish someone would wipe mine out!
Can be done but I hope not ;-)
~judy
Mon, Jul 24, 2000 (14:13)
#1948
Tracy I managed to get hold of that brochure if you
need it, but not to worry if you don't it wasn't out
of my way.
~EileenG
Mon, Jul 24, 2000 (15:15)
#1949
Wanna-Be Sopranos Mob N.J.
Thanks for this, Karen. *sigh* I'm so homesick, I can scream! Hey Murph, were you inching along in the traffic on the Stickle Bridge? ;-)
(Tracy) are there any serious musical Colin moments that I don't know about?
Yes, we have no bah-nah-nahs, er...no. No serious on-screen musical moments that I'm aware of. And if there are, I'm sure I'll be promptly corrected.
~mari
Mon, Jul 24, 2000 (15:27)
#1950
Hey, Eileen, you and I should have been in on that Sopranos casting call. Sigh, we coulda been condendahs.;-)
Speaking of Sopranos, here's a CF connection. Did anyone see the rerun last night? It was the episode where Christopher serves as a script consultant to Jon Favreau for a wiseguy film he's making. One scene is filmed in the offices of UTA, and the secretary mentions David DeCamillo (CF's U.S. agent) several times. I suppose he represents people associated with the show. (And would it kill them to work in a story arc about Tony's visiting English cousin Anthony who controls all the East End rackets?;-) ;-)
~SadieR
Mon, Jul 24, 2000 (23:05)
#1951
You know, it depends on how he sings "How to Handle a Woman" --- it has real Drool promise. Yeah, I know, a one-track mind. It's all Heide's fault, she's posting Drooly stuff on the Darcy Drool Board, and I just can't get a grip.
...I'd settle for a handle :-()
BTW, isn't that song originally from Camelot?
And wouldn't CF look sexy with a Fedora and some cotton balls? --- for his cheeks, a la Brando. Oh Judy, what will you say, I've gone and mentioned balls and cheeks again!
~KarenR
Mon, Jul 24, 2000 (23:13)
#1952
Correctamundo!! It's from Camelot. Heide must be thinking of "Why Can't a Woman Be More Like a Man." ;-)
~SadieR
Tue, Jul 25, 2000 (00:15)
#1953
BUT LET A WOMAN IN YOUR LIFE! Karen, I need your posting saavy for some musical notes.
~judy
Tue, Jul 25, 2000 (12:10)
#1954
Sadie balls & cheeks-you know me so well.While you'restuffing cotton balls in his cheeks I'll concentrate onthe real things,ball in cheeks so to speak.Its like a
taste test really-small & firm or plump & juicy-mmmm
have to go mmm its rude to mmm talk with um mouth
full!
~EileenG
Tue, Jul 25, 2000 (15:21)
#1955
(Mari) Hey, Eileen, you and I should have been in on that Sopranos casting call. Sigh, we coulda been condendahs.;-)
Not me sweetie, I cut my big hair years ago and don't even use hairspray any more. Nails are short, too. But I do know a few things about the Meadowlands and those landfills around exit 15...;-D
~Tracy
Tue, Jul 25, 2000 (15:52)
#1956
Thanks Judy, have replied to you privately.
~SadieR
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (00:00)
#1957
(Eileen) Not me sweetie, I cut my big hair years ago and don't even use hairspray any more. Nails are short, too. But I do know a few things about the Meadowlands and those landfills around exit 15
LOL! Remind me never to cross you! (First Marky Blue, and now Eileen and Mari. Hmmm, I begin to wonder what is the REAL nature of Drool operations? Yet another highly respectable front? But if drooling activities are the front, then, oh my, I must be missing out on something really naughty???)
~SadieR
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (00:01)
#1958
And Tracy T and Judy having secret communications...it's all adding up.
~KarenR
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (07:44)
#1959
From Reuters/Variety today:
Stoppard's Broadway 'Love' Affair
Tom Stoppard, who won an Academy Award for co-writing "Shakespeare in Love," is bringing his play "The Invention of Love" to Broadway in March. The Lincoln Center Theater production will be staged as a limited engagement at an as-yet-unannounced venue, said Andre Bishop, the center"s artistic director. After its success with "Shakespeare in Love," which Stoppard co-wrote with Marc Norman, Miramax Films took particular interest in the scribe"s theater projects, including a partnership with the producers of the current Broadway revival of "The Real Thing." As for Miramax's participating in the "Invention" production, Bishop said: "My phone has not rung. We are a nonprofit organization." Bishop said that casting had not yet begun for the New York production. Rehearsals are scheduled to start in early January. First staged in London in 1997, "The Invention of Love" received its U.S. debut last January at San Francisco"s American Conservatory Theater, with James Cromwell and Jason Butler Harner playing the Engli
h poet A.E. Housman at different points in his life. "Invention" explores Housman's unrequited love for Moses John Jackson, an athlete and Cambridge classmate, and looks at how Housman"s passion propelled him to write some of his greatest poetry. Housman is best known for his collection of poems "A Shropshire Lad." Jack O"Brien will direct the Stoppard play on Broadway, with costume and set design by Bob Crowley. The three creatives last teamed at Lincoln Center in 1994 for the playwright"s "Hapgood." Ben Brantley reviewed the San Francisco production in the New York Times, writing that the play "ranks with Mr. Stoppard"s finest work." In other words, the Tony Awards category for play of the year could actually be of significant interest next May. Already announced for the 2000-01 Broadway season are such new works as Neil Simon"s "The Dinner Party," Charles Busch"s "The Tale of the Allergist"s Wife" and Sandra Ryan Heyward"s "Tallulah." To be expected are David Auburn"s "Proof," transferring from the Manha
tan Theater Club to Broadway in the fall, and the current London hit "Stones in His Pockets," by Marie Jones, which a consortium of producers is in negotiations to bring to New York next spring.
~~~~~~~
Limited engagement...March...Rehearsals in January
Good, v. good
"Invention" explores Housman's unrequited love for Moses John Jackson
Not good. :-(
~fitzwd
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (07:57)
#1960
(Karen) "Invention" explores Housman's unrequited love for Moses John Jackson
Not good. :-(
LOL. Did anyone read or see an interview that Stoppard gave, in which he said he had no idea of their relationship/attraction until he started doing research? It was a surprise to him.
I'm not sure if the above is a figment of my imagination, or whether my recollection is accurate.
~KarenR
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (08:03)
#1961
*hee hee* especially after RV...press would be dredging up Another Country and Apartment Zero and coming up with a whole new lifestyle for our little antique hunter! ;-)
~SadieR
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (09:48)
#1962
Antique hunter? Do tell more Karen. I hadn't heard this.
Wouldn't it be great if ODB snagged such a terrific role on Broadway!!!
Does anyone know how old Houseman is supposed to be in this play. I confess ignorance about his life.
Thanks for finding this news Karen!
~lafn
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (10:42)
#1963
(Sadie)Wouldn't it be great if ODB snagged such a terrific role on Broadway!!!
Shhhhhh. Don't mention the B-word on #134, Sadie....they'll lynch you...
Everybody likes things the way they are over there... ;-)
But this is safe territory...thankgod.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thanks Karen...interesting note. I have that Tom Stoppard interview on tape, but must check it out.Wonder if it would have a British cast since it's not coming over from the West End.Tom Stoppard...Lincoln Center..mucho high profile.
In time for Tony cut-off early May.
I wish. *on knees*
~KarenR
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (10:49)
#1964
No, it's not coming over from the West End, but the characters are English, so either they get TRTs or have Americans do the accents.
About that antiquing hobby, Sadie, I'm not the best one for quoting chapter and verse of past interviews. I'll leave it to another to fill in the missing pieces...
~lafn
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (10:59)
#1965
Playbill online
announced the same...and..
"The Invention of Love has as its central character 19th-century English poet A.E. Housman (1859-1936). Stoppard's story begins with Housman, old and infirm, dreaming he is dead and being ferried across the river Styx by the mythical boatman Charon. Houseman is best known for his collection of poems titled "A Shropshire Lad." Through his work, according to Invention of Love production notes, he expressed his lifelong unrequited passion for a fellow student at Oxford, Moses Jackson.
.....Paxton Whitehead will play Houseman at the Court Theatre in Chicago this fall, while the Huntington Theatre Company of Boston will produce the drama next spring."
~~~~~~~~~~
Two possibilities for roles here...though the Houseman role sounds more like an
Anthony Hopkins...or Jeremy Irons?
~SadieR
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (11:22)
#1966
As long as ODB is not in danger of being told he's too old again (as was the case in SIL).
~mari
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (12:54)
#1967
Invention Of Love played Philadelphia about a year or so ago (after the San Francisco run). Stoppard was here at the time, very involved with the production. Unfortunately, my recollection is that the principal actors were considerably younger than someone we may have in mind.;-) Like mid to late '20s.
They'll get Jude Law.:-(
Will see if I can dig up some of the old Philly Inquirer stories/reviews.
~SadieR
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (13:22)
#1968
That's disappointing to hear, Mari. But maybe Stoppard will smarten up, and realize how perfect CF would be (and how youthful he looks since he's been working out).
~mari
Wed, Jul 26, 2000 (21:24)
#1969
(Eileen) I cut my big hair years ago
Me too!
(E) and don't even use hairspray any more
Check.
(E) Nails are short, too.
Er . . .hmmm. Hey, at least give me credit for having divested myself of all plastic slipcover holdings (with the exception of your E-Z Wipe monitor cover which I will nevah give up!;-)
I checked the Inquirer site. IOL played more recently than I thought, February of this year. Several articles on the run are lsited in their archives, but they charge for them. If anyone is interested, search on www.phillylife.com
~lafn
Thu, Jul 27, 2000 (08:08)
#1970
Bag it, Mari. Karen doesn't want him to do it...Three gay roles is enough!
Afraid he'll be type- casted...in competition with Rupe;-)
And hey..we forgot Ned...he was sorta AC/DC.
Four roles...Agggggg
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 27, 2000 (08:21)
#1971
Yes, and what I want truly matters in the grand scheme of things. ;-)
~Tracy
Thu, Jul 27, 2000 (16:23)
#1972
Judy, I received all the Derbyshire/Lyme Park info today and have been leafing through planning a trip (hopefully) for a couple of weeks time. Thank-you once again for your kind words.
~judy
Thu, Jul 27, 2000 (17:25)
#1973
Tracy,glad you received it okay,had visions of it not
fitting thro' letter box.I tried to e-mail you to warn
you but system was poorly.
~Arami
Thu, Jul 27, 2000 (18:28)
#1974
Ned...he was sorta AC/DC
Wot???
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 27, 2000 (19:49)
#1975
She means Walker
~Arami
Thu, Jul 27, 2000 (20:39)
#1976
Well, I never. I don't even recall any discussion of Ned's sorta AC/DC qualities. How did they allegedly manifest itself?
~KarenR
Thu, Jul 27, 2000 (22:34)
#1977
Nan uses the term "sexual fluency" as I recall to describe Walker and then there's that entire thread about Walker being in love with Pip...or had you forgotten? ;-)
~lafn
Fri, Jul 28, 2000 (10:39)
#1978
(Karen)She means Walker
(Karen)Nan uses the term "sexual fluency" as I recall to describe Walker and then there's that entire thread about Walker being in love with Pip...
Pip: "Except I am no longer willing to bear the brunt of your meaness.
Walker: I'm sorry, I...
Pip: You know, it's not as if I don't know where it's coming from, it's not as if I don't know you've always heen basically in love with me...that's been obvious for so many years that...
Walker: oh Jesus, Jesus..."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Not that I'm asking for "chapter and verse", but I didn't know that ODB had been writing a play.Can anyone elaborate on that....
Good sign that FP has resuscitated.Keeps his name out there.
~EileenG
Fri, Jul 28, 2000 (11:29)
#1979
(Evelyn) Keeps his name out there.
Well, there's out there and then there's out there. It is a long time until BJD hits the US, though. The best we can hope for in the meantime is that Londinium becomes a sleeper hit, 'cause Starz may not reach that many households. Hey--ya never know!
~Arami
Fri, Jul 28, 2000 (13:56)
#1980
OK, so Pip is trying to thwart Walker. But I sensed no sexual ambiguity in Colin's acting.
~lafn
Fri, Jul 28, 2000 (17:21)
#1981
But I sensed no sexual ambiguity in Colin's acting.
It's in the dialogue...
Nan asks him..."Were you in love with him?
He answers:"Oh,who knows... He's such a dunce, I envied him."
Nan......"Yes"(Smiles) "Yes".
~Arami
Fri, Jul 28, 2000 (18:51)
#1982
It's in the dialogue...
But it wasn't in Colin, really...
~lafn
Fri, Jul 28, 2000 (20:09)
#1983
It's in the dialogue...
But it wasn't in Colin, really..
Pfffft
~KarenR
Fri, Jul 28, 2000 (23:30)
#1984
It's possible you might see a familiar face in the audience...as he did hang out with Kevin Anderson when he was here ;-)
A revival that still delivers shock therapy
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Barbican, London EC2
THE novelist Ken Kesey wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest at the psychedelic-pink dawning of the 1960s, and in 1975 Milos Forman turned it into a celluloid elegy for that period. In between came Dale Wasserman's play: a didactic melodrama that, nevertheless, left this long-retired hippy itching to frolic through the city yelling "make love not war" and giving flowers to passing pigs.
That reaction says much for Chicago's Steppenwolf Company, which in 1998 brought a pretty flat revival of The Man Who Came to Dinner to the Barbican. Its present import, though superficially no more enterprising, should remind the troupe's fans that it was once famous for "rock 'n' roll theatre". The old energy and commitment are back, yet skill and guile have not been lost. Whatever your objections to its anti-establishment propaganda, Terry Kinney's production is utterly gripping.
The setting is a psychiatric ward in a state hospital that all too obviously represents American society in microcosm. Eccentricity is treated with what used to be called "repressive tolerance", primarily "democratic" group therapy that is actually rigidly controlled. But when genuine danger looms in the form of a questioning, rebellious patient called McMurphy - well, then Big Nurse and her system fall back on rejigging the rules, with punishment, shock treatment and, finally, lobotomy.
As a study of clinical practice in 1965, it is surely far-fetched, and, as a piece of political analysis, it is positively paranoid. The State, it suggests, will commit mind-murder rather than accept change. Moreover, Tim Sampson has to act doubly hard to ensure that we believe in the most sentimentally conceived victim of institutionalised might: a native American who has retreated into aphasia in hopeless protest at the humiliation of the father with whom he silently communes.
Yet Steppenwolf bring a drab-looking ward abundantly to life, stuttering mother's boy, troubled bisexual and all. And with Gary Sinise as a jokily formidable McMurphy and Amy Morton as a Big Nurse who maintains absolute power with a quiet voice, a perfect hairdo and a terrifying serenity, the conflict at the centre is packed with menace and tension. Altogether, an exhilarating evening.
BENEDICT NIGHTINGALE
Note: Tim Sampson is the son of Will Sampson, who played Chief in the movie.
Amy Morton played Nan/Lina in 3DOR.
~CherylB
Sat, Jul 29, 2000 (11:20)
#1985
(Mari) Invention Of Love played Philadelphia about a year or so ago...my recollection is that the principal actors were considerably younger than someone we may have in mind.;-) Like mid to late '20s.
They'll get Jude Law.:-(
I love Jude Law. Besides, it would seem, CF never does work outside the UK anymore. It's probably also my rotten luck never to be destined to see CF on Broadway ever. So -- I definitly would not complain were it to be Jude Law in the role.
~Brown32
Sat, Jul 29, 2000 (13:06)
#1986
Vera posted this link at the FOFs. Recognize anyone there? It is too funny!
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html
~lafn
Sat, Jul 29, 2000 (13:59)
#1987
Flame Warriors indeed....what a hoot, Murph.
a lotta people come to mind.....but not moi, of course;-)
My fave: 'Netiquette Nazi'....you can count on every board having one;-))
~judy
Sat, Jul 29, 2000 (14:28)
#1988
Yes great fun Murph.I looked for myself,tried 'newbie'but I can't see myself 'crying in a corner',liked the
sound of 'blowhard & grunter' but they weren't what Iexpected them to be so on that basis I must come
under heading 'Strumpet'(although I don't look like
that!)I thought it best to point the finger at myself
before somebody else does!
Now go on everybody own up which one is your alter
ego?
~SadieR
Sat, Jul 29, 2000 (17:56)
#1989
Well, I confess to a leetle bit of the Strumpet meself. I fantasize about being the Kung-Fu Master, but suspect I'm actually closer to Loopy. I kinda like what Netiquette Nazi is wearing though. Now put that in a CF film, and you've really got an interesting scene to censor! .... They didn't have an Exclamation Point Warrior!
~judy
Sat, Jul 29, 2000 (18:12)
#1990
Sadie are you sure you're only a 'leetle bit of
strumpet' you did come to mind when I read it.
~SadieR
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (01:59)
#1991
LOL Judy. Strumpet is a relative term. Around my relatives I'm less of a strumpet, and in the wilds of the city, well...
~judy
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (02:47)
#1992
(Sadie)Around my relatives I'm less of a strumpet-I
understand that feeling,at 34 my mum & dad still makeme feel like a kid,can you believe I don't swear,don't
talk about sex plus if they talk about me to anyone
I 'm referred to as shy & quiet-talk about leading a
double life.Now just what do you get up to in the
wilds of the city,I'm always on the lookout for new
ideas!
~SadieR
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (03:04)
#1993
Ah, 34, I didn't realize we were so close in age! Well, in the wilds of the city are many interesting species. Much better than camping! I might as well confess that the boyfriend and I split up after our camping trip. So now I am a complete Singleton. I know Bridget was unhappy with this status, but after a month of crying I am beginning to enjoy being single. But I cannot say more, as this is a public board.
~SadieR
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (03:13)
#1994
Not to worry (about posting message 2x at Fanfic)Judy. You've no doubt noticed how much trouble I've been having lately just logging in. Especially when some one posts some real old-fashioned drool fic!
~judy
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (03:13)
#1995
Yes Sadie I'm still I mananged to get lost in the droolfor a while.I'm sorry to hear about your split with
your boyfriend he obviously didn't deserve YOU.
~SadieR
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (03:15)
#1996
That's what he said! But somehow I think he meant no compliment!
~judy
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (03:17)
#1997
Well I definitely do mean it as a compliment plus it
gives you more time to drool so his loss is our gain
isn't?
~SadieR
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (03:18)
#1998
Heehee. V.kind, and now I have more time to drool without pretending to be doing something else, anyway.
Speaking of which, did you check out Darcy Drool tonight yet? If not, you gotta!
~judy
Sun, Jul 30, 2000 (03:25)
#1999
I think I just have but I'm not sure I've not
recovered from fanfic yet1