Colin Firth - Darcy Drool 3 (cont. from 112)

From Annette, most romantic movies: http://www.mochasofa.ca/leisure/program/editors/02february04a.asp V. nice description of why P&P is so good.

Thanks for the link. Well said indeed. It's nice to see it still making these sorts of lists all these years after it came out. It amazes me still how many of my friends have never seen it.

I was just scrolling through the Amazon top 100, and P&P is #46 on the DVD bestseller list. Pretty remarkable, considering how long it's been out; everything else in the top 50 has been out less than a year. If we're still divying (sp?) up Darcy's wardrobe, and someone already has those breeches from the walk around Pemberley scene, then I want the grey greatcoat (***sigh***).

Undoubtedly P&P will never go out of fashion. No reason it should. It is a real classic, well acted, casted and entertaining film. According to A&E it is their Number 1 runaway Best Seller.

Something Moonstar said reminds me - when the old topic ran out of space, there was an open question (from her, I think) about the specific breeches that were supposedly in the storage area, and for which we were organizing a fiendish plan for a heist. I understood that they were the breeches that went into the lake, not those wonderfulwalk-around-Pemberley ones. Too bad we can't re-claim Keepsakes.... I bet a lot of the P&P keepsake holders aren't here anymore.

When the topic ran out, I wanted the saddle that those breeches rode on. May need the help of other crack firthettes to help carry it out.

(LindaK)May need the help of other crack firthettes to help carry it out. I'm more than willing to help but y'all realize we're going to need a double decker bus waiting around the corner just to carry out everything we're going to take don't you? :-) By the way, Annette, just so you know, I'm willing to fight you for that shirt!

Ada)By the way, Annette, just so you know, I'm willing to fight you for that shirt! Well, you just try, if you dare. But I have to warn you: I have studied sissy-fighting intensly (fought by a couple of blokes, I think you know??;-))

(Annette)But I have to warn you: I have studied sissy-fighting intensly Oooh I know..I've studied it quite a bit, myself! ;-) But knowing that I'm much too short to play CF and would have to be HG (which I don't think I'd like too much)maybe we can work out a custody deal instead...you have the shirt for 6 months and I'll have it for six months..how's that sound? ;-)

It's a fight!!! A REAL fight!!!!

(Ada)maybe we can work out a custody deal instead...you have the shirt for 6 months and I'll have it for six months..how's that sound? ;-) Sorry to disappoint you, Rika, but I think I'll go for the custody deal. Given my height and strenght I believe it to be a wise decission ;-)

I stiil want the wine glass he drank from at Pemberley while Caroline was on her tirade against Lizzy. P;ease.

If anyone is planning a trip to Lyme this summer, this is the day to go. Event : "Pride and Prejudice" Venue : Lyme Park Date(s) : 18 July 2003 Details : 7pm in the Magical setting of the Lyme Park Garden. �8.50 adult; �5.50 child; �24 family ticket. If entering the park prior to 4pm park admission payable Tel 01663 762023 Note : Pride and Prejudice returns to 'Pemberley' open air theatre with Illyria

Oh my god - it's my birthday that day AND I just joined the National Trust?! Perfect. Got some planning to do =).

(Brenda)Pride and Prejudice returns to 'Pemberley' (Emma)it's my birthday that day AND I just joined the National Trust That is so cool! (and yes Emma, i am green, green, green with jealousy!!) take lots of pics! :-)

Emma, it sounds like they're doing this play just for you. With a little more luck maybe their Lizzy will trip and hurt her ankle, and they'll need a quick replacement. I'm sure you have the script memorized already :-) Be sure to take a bonnet, just in case!

Hmmmmm..... will have to call travel agent and firm up those plans for England this summer......

Awhile ago someone (of course i cant remember who) posted that they'd bought the book: Mr. Darcy's Daughters. i read it last week, and was wondering if anybody else had read it yet. In the book, Darcy and Elizabeth have 5 daughters of their own- it was amusing, but i have to admit to being mildy disappointed. Has anybody else read this?

Bought Mr. Darcy's Daughters last week but haven't started it. Right now I'm reading Love: A Users Guide by Clare Naylor. The quote on the back cover from the Times caught my eye: "A novel for anyone who ever thought 'If only I could meet Rufus Sewell/Colin Firth/Ralph Fiennes'" And yes, the author definitely had ODB in mind when she wrote this. Ever the muse....

(Esbee)Mr Darcy's Daughters.. it was amusing, but i have to admit to being mildy disappointed. Has anybody else read this? Son sent it to me, on my night table ;-) Will discuss it aft I finish.

(Evelyn)Will discuss it aft I finish. Cool Beans! :-) Hen, you start reading too!!

(Sue?)Cool Beans! :-) Hen, you start reading too!! Will do. I just finished Love: A User's Guide. Pretty good stuff. The cover says movie rights have been sold. The main male character is a famous British actor and the only thing about him that is different from CF is that his eyes are blue.

the only thing about him that is different from CF is that his eyes are blue. Well then the answer is obviously, contacts...Or a re-write ;-)!

I read Mr. Darcy's Daughters. I kind of liked it. It really isn't a P & P sequel though. Darcy & Elizabeth aren't even in it. Their 5 daughters (there are 2 young sons as well but they are stashed away at Pemberley w/ grandpapa Bennet) all have characteristics of the original characters. For instance the eldest daughter is the most beautiful (like Jane) but her coloring is dark and she seems to have a personality very close to Mary's. You meet up with some of the original characters as well. Colonel (now Mr.) Fitzwilliam has turned into a big crankpot. The whole story definitely is an echo of the original. Definitely not a great piece of literature but an enjoyable, quick read.

(Jodi) an enjoyable, quick read I agree. I enjoyed it but was frusterated by the re-hashing of personalities into new characters. I know some family traits are passed down, and even the obvious "Mary" character wasnt as annoying as the twins. I mean, do we really think that Elizabeth and Darcy raised daughters who were so wild they put their aunt Lydia to shame? i find it hard to believe. And what was up with weird personality changes in Col Fitzwilliam and the Gardners? And then there was the creepy relationship between Caroline and her step-son? *shudder* LOL - i know i sound like i didnt like it, but i did. Just kept shaking my head over some of the more odd things. -Like the date!?! Doesnt the book (i've passed it on to my mom, so cant double check) take place only a few years after the end of P&P -yet their oldest daughter is 21??? The only other "sequel" i've read is the Bar Sinster, and of the two -it's still my favorite. (more naked Darcy in it ;-) -LOL! or more acurately, Darcy is actually in it!)

I totally agree that there is no way Darcy & Elizabeth would have raised such wild daughters! I also love The Bar Sinister. I've heard it referred to as Pride & Porn which really makes me giggle. I wish I knew the proper person to give credit to for that moniker though. I probably saw it on some sort of JA appreciation board.

No surprise here... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2955396.stm

LOL - dream date indeed. :-)

This is the same 'dream date' news as MariaT's. There's nothing new, but I loved the headline and a couple of the quotes. Bashful Darcy Universally acknowledged hunk vetoed nude scene Fiachra Gibbons, arts correspondent in Hay-on-Wye Monday June 2, 2003 The Guardian It is one of the most unforgettable moments in British TV history: Mr Darcy emerging dripping from the lake in Pride and Prejudice, his wet shirt clinging to his manly chest. But had the screenwriter extraordinaire Andrew Davies had his way, Colin Firth, who played the hunk in Jane Austen's classic, would have been wearing neither shirt nor breeches. "The idea was that Darcy would jump stark naked into the lake, as chaps did back then," Davies said yesterday at the Guardian Hay Festival. But Firth vetoed the idea, preferring to keep his shirt and trousers on. "Pride and Prejudice is all about sex and money, about young people with pumping hormones," explained Davies, who has cornered the market in TV and film adaptations of classic novels. "Darcy is supposed to marry this sickly aristocrat, but as soon as he sees keen-witted, rosy-cheeked Elizabeth Bennet panting from a walk, he gets an instant erection." Davies, who has finished a script for the sequel to Bridget Jones's Diary, said Austen was the only writer he has adapted whom "I feel awe and reverence for". Here's the link to the whole article, which goes on about the new adaptation of Brideshead Revisited. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,968574,00.html

sorry about the bold!

he gets an instant erection I think he plays this very well ;-)

I mean with face expressions, of course...

Of course! ;-) I find it interesting how you hear different versions of who wanted Darcy to be naked and who didn't. AD says it was CF who said no, and hasn't CF said he was game but BBC wouldn't let them?

and hasn't CF said he was game but BBC wouldn't let them? That's the version he has given more than once and is the one in my fantasy...

(Rika) and hasn't CF said he was game but BBC wouldn't let them? (Beedee) That's the version he has given more than once and is the one in my fantasy... And you can actually hear him say it! The NPR archive has an interview were he talks about the nekky scene and how he was also fitted for funny looking underwear as an alternate to make BBC happy. The interview dated 05/07/01 if you are interested. http://www.npr.org/

(Tress)And you can actually hear him say it! The NPR archive has an interview were he talks about the nekky scene and how he was also fitted for funny looking underwear as an alternate to make BBC happy. The interview dated 05/07/01 if you are interested. That's the one!! I love this interview (and program.....on NPR of course;-))and used to listen to it at work until we were stopped from streaming there due to system overload. Karen also has a convenient link to it on firth.com.

(Evelyn)Will discuss it aft I finish. Are you still having a book discussion? May I join? I need to study my Darcy-related literature!

Sure, i'll be happy to discuss with you Shoshana :-) only two i have however are Mr. Darcy's Daughters, which is relatively new, and The Bar Sinister. if you have any others you've read and would recommend, i'd love to know about them... Evelyn, did you ever finish Mr. Darcy's Daughters???

(EsBee)Evelyn, did you ever finish Mr. Darcy's Daughters??? I'm plodding along. Pl. give me a little more time. (EsBee) if you have any others you've read and would recommend, i'd love to know about them... I have "Presumption" and "The Diary of Henry Fitzwilliam Darcy". Both are pretty good. But I think some of the stories in the Drool Fan Fic Archives are just as good. especially the early ones. http://droolfic.tripod.com/

(Evelyn)I have "Presumption" and "The Diary of Henry Fitzwilliam Darcy". I need to get Presumption. I liked The Diary of HFD, too. The Bar Sinister was my favorite. I thought she'd do a sequel from the way she left it, though.

(Evelyn) I have "Presumption" and "The Diary of Henry Fitzwilliam Darcy". (Linda) I need to get Presumption. I liked The Diary of HFD, too. The Bar Sinister was my favorite. I thought she'd do a sequel from the way she left it, though. I never made it through "The Diary of HFD" (I couldn't buy that Darcy wanted to be an actor. I know, ironic...in a weird, parallel universe, sort of way. And his name isn't Henry, unless I missed something). I've read only the naughty parts of "Bar Sinister" (and boy....are they naughty!). I have read "Darcy's Story", which I really liked. I also have "Excessively Diverted" and "Mr. Darcy's Daughters" but have not read them yet.

(Evelyn) But I think some of the stories in the Drool Fan Fic Archives are just as good. especially the early ones. (SB), Definately!! i love the period stories espically, i have a hard time getting into the modern P&P stories. fanfic is the reason i came to Drool -i followed a link from ROP to a PG-13 version of a story, about 4 1/2 years ago -and never went back :-) I agree! Same reason for my joining drool. And I too prefer the period stories. But once in a while a fun modern one comes along. I bought "The Diary of Henry Fitzwilliam Darcy" at Chatsworth. A fast read, but The Fan Fic Archives has better ones.

Besides which, where the heck did "Henry" come from? Have never read that one, but I've heard people say that too much of it is verbatim from P&P. I did enjoy "Confession of Fitzwilliam Darcy", as a Darcy-oriented version of the story.

Great disappointment... I eagerly (and rapidly - the library was about to close) checked out a book called "The Bar Sinister" only to find when I got home that it is a book written in 1905 about old British mena and their dogs and such. Will continue to look, but agree that the fanfic has well written, interesting versions that are imminently available. Reading original P&P for now, and then follow with Pemberley.

Reading original P&P for now, That's the one! I read or listen to it annually and it is so much more enjoyable being able to put that *face* and stubble into it! I especially enjoy the second proposal which was abbreviated in the BBC production and I would have loved to have seen ODB and JE do this on the screen.

(Beedee) I especially enjoy the second proposal which was abbreviated in the BBC production and I would have loved to have seen ODB and JE do this on the screen. Love this scene in the book too! The BBC version was 'rushed' toward the end IMO. They could have tacked on another hour and I would have been happy...starting from about that moment! There were no additional walks (remember in the book, they go for another walk the next day?), we don't see Darcy and Bingley at the Bennet's home again....and it would have been nice to see D walk into the library to talk to Mr. B. Also...the talk between Mr. B and Lizzy was cut short. Lizzy never explained to her father that it was D who found Wickham and paid him off....I always felt badly about that scene, because it made me feel that Mr. B never fully approved of the marriage. And the scene I really would have liked is the one were Elizabeth asks Darcy to account for him ever falling in love....this was great in the book...and I can just see ODB and JE doing this every time I read it!

(Tress) And the scene I really would have liked is the one were Elizabeth asks Darcy to account for him ever falling in love....this was great in the book...and I can just see ODB and JE doing this every time I read it! Oh my yes!! Can't you just hear FD say "I was in the middle before I knew I had started"! Wouldn't you have loved to have seen the heartleaping look on Lizzy's face on "that second day" when when Mrs. B asks Lizzy suffer for Jane and to take FD on a walk to give Jane and Bingly some time alone together? And the sly shy looks between them when they come into the after their walk when they are engaged....... Oh I could go on! I want another hour too! What do you think the chances are?

I wondered if anyone knew of any deleted scenes from P&P2? I know that they had to conform to the time allocated for the mini-series and that AD even felt the ending was a bit rushed. If so, wouldn't it be wonderful if they could be included in a re-issued DVD. Think of the sales it would generate!!

(Janet)If so, wouldn't it be wonderful if they could be included in a re-issued DVD........Think of the sales it would generate!! Great idea! I would then buy my 4th copy! Shall we start a campaign?

(Beedee)Shall we start a campaign? That sounds capital! I should be happy to assist.

I agree that it would be a wonderful idea, but only if such footage exists. Does anyone know of it does? - or who to contact to find out?

I have to believe that if it existed, it would have been released by now. The P&P videos and DVD's have been huge commercial successes, so I'm sure BBC understands that there would be a substantial market for a "special special edition" with extra footage. Sigh.

(Rika)I have to believe that if it existed, it would have been released by now. The P&P videos and DVD's have been huge commercial successes, so I'm sure BBC understands that there would be a substantial market for a "special special edition" with extra footage........Sigh. That would be my guess, but a girl can dream, *sigh* too. The possibilities just sent me into a lather.

May I join you all in adding to your sighs? Suppose I will just go and watch my copy, just as it is.

I read somewhere eons ago that for the second proposal there are two takes, one in which Darcy kisses her and the other one we see. They decided that the kiss should happen at the end. Silly them!

I read somewhere eons ago that for the second proposal there are two takes, one in which Darcy kisses her and the other one we see. They decided that the kiss should happen at the end. Silly them! I was disappointed that they didn't at least walk arm in arm or (shocking) hand in hand after the second proposal. The last installment was much too rushed, and IMO there should have been some kissing or touching before the end. Blast!

(Rika)I have to believe that if it existed, it would have been released by now. The P&P videos and DVD's have been huge commercial successes, so I'm sure BBC understands that there would be a substantial market for a "special special edition" with extra footage. You can't really assume anything, except that BBC and our PBS haven't really been in the business of producing DVDs with "extras." When P&P came out on DVD in the UK, it had the behind the scenes bit, which the US one did not, until the "special edition" did. In fact, the first US DVD was of very poor quality that many people replaced theirs, and the PBS people had to negotiate to get the BBC's behind-the-scenes featurette (slightly abbreviated as well I'm told). BBC has a ton of other P&P footage from programs it aired, special educational videos, etc. No doubt there are deleted scenes hidden away in a vault somewhere.

Sorry, instead of PBS, please substitute A&E before I'm corrected by another. ;-D

Karen, I agree that there will be tons of footage around somewhere. But how do we persuade the powers that be, that there is a market out there for it? - Surely we won't have to wait until the 10th or(God forbid) the 20th Anniversary edition, as has happened with some films. -You wouldn't have any influential contacts, would you?

(Janet-You wouldn't have any influential contacts, would you? Well, i'm often impressed by her *inside* contacts;-)

Different smile than he has now...don't you think? get a life, evelyn

I don't know Evelyn,hard to say, and hard to find alot of big open mouth smiles, but this one is recent for comparison...

The difference looks to be in the eyes, primarily, though you can see how his face has slimmed down some (though it could be the framing by the dark hair)

get a life, evelyn Please, don't. I like you so much better this way...in darcy drool mode;-) Love the smiles, ladies...just made my day.

Concerning smiles-- it seems to me that there is some difference in his teeth. Was watching Valmont last night (lots of great smiles and the wonderfully annoying giggle) and his teeth seem more prominent (similar to the P&P capture); is this dental work or simply a less extreme smile as he has matured.

(Shoshana)it seems to me that there is some difference in his teeth i agree, that was my first thought. :-)

(Evelyn)get a life, evelyn Don't change a thing, Evelyn. We like you, v. much, just as you are! I certainly have a smile on my face after seeing those two smiling Colins. Thanks.

It reminds me of all teeth Austen Powers the before and after dental job. LOL!

Colin definitely had cosmetic dental work after Valmont.

Good God, I have just been in search of a few more examples, scrolled through countless pages of ODB and the best one, a very young shot of his teeth being quite different from now, I only have in my personal files..Grr...But the search has not been all torment and torture (sheesh, why don't don't you just send me to the "comfy chair" next time! Uh..oops..ug.. Come on then...let it out!!! Would you help me write a letter?

(Karen)The difference looks to be in the eyes, primarily, though you can see how his face has slimmed down some (though it could be the framing by the dark hair) Ooo, I love in-depth studies when you all dig into your extensive files! I remember being blown away by that one big flash of smile at the end of P&P! At the end of 6 long and smouldering hours.....yummy.

(Beedee)Ooo, I love in-depth studies when you all dig into your extensive files! Hurrah for research! V. nice examples... would not mind to assist in any way possible (i.e., stare at pictures to determine dental history).

Maybe I shouldn't say this, but I really don't like that pic of him from WAGW. Most unflattering, IMHO. And I'm none too fond of the goofy grin in the carriage in P&P either! Sorry!!!(Ducking)

Janet, I'll duck along with you. I think the Jack smile is rather nice, though. But - in my book nothing compares to this "little" smile: Thank you for starting us, Evelyn. Caused one of the important reasons for hanging out here: Intensive drooling ;-)

GAAAH! Annette! I'm still at work! You cannot do that to me without a dimple alert! He has 'that look' that makes me take on WOF Jello qualities! Am now useless...I may as well go home and call it a day. ;-)

I'm so sorry, Tress (or maybe not ;-)) I nearly hadn't postet the picture, afraid of being off-topic, but this is Darcy drool, so I decided it was *the* right place. Anyway - now I have to find time to check out, what on earth Jello qualities is. Another study of WOF needed .... and when I know, what you are talking about, I'll get back to the subject at Firthology (I'm doing my very best to follow the guidelines, believe it or not ;-))

Janet, No need to duck on my account. I see the shopping montage picture from WAGW and immediately think, "Oh, no! Now he's going to do that silly V thing with his fingers." How embarassing was THAT moment?

(Janet)And I'm none too fond of the goofy grin in the carriage in P&P either! I am not fond of the *still* either! But I love the animated version. That brilliant flash of smile while he's *walking* to the carriage finally after having gotten the prize! I'll tell only you guys, but this is a case I have often found in myself. I think *I* look better in animation than in most of my photos;-)

(Janet)And I'm none too fond of the goofy grin in the carriage in P&P either! (Beedee)That brilliant flash of smile while he's *walking* to the carriage finally after having gotten the prize! I must admit that the goofy grin in the carriage makes my heart skip a beat, though it's the whole scene that really makes me melt. Still, I'll take the big toothy smile whenever I can get it. ;-)

I'm none too fond of the goofy grin in the carriage in P&P either! "Goofy"!!! Bite your tongue;-) LOL.Depends on what brought you here. Mr. Darcy did it for me. And that 'goofy' pic with Jenn has been my screen wallpaper ever since. *sigh*...

(Evelyn) "Goofy"!!! Bite your tongue;-) I love his "goofy", 'I'm gonna get lucky tonight' grin at the end of P&P (especially following that very serious look he had in the church...but that may have been due to his pants and knowing we were all staring at him ;-) )! Mr. Darcy looked so happy! But I'm a big fan of ODB's goofy smiles and laughs, so this should not be a surprise coming from me!

(Tress)I love his "goofy", 'I'm gonna get lucky tonight' grin at the end of P&P (especially following that very serious look he had in the church...but that may have been due to his pants and knowing we were all staring at him ;-) )! LOL Tress!! Actually I think it was all just in our heads with the lucky bit, after the church panyts bit we were dying for it!! And Evelyn, one last smile as I know this is OT (except that it was supposed to be a comparison from his Darcy "get lucky" smile days to present and then I just got carried away..talk about needing a life!)

(Maria) Actually I think it was all just in our heads with the lucky bit... Pssst......it was his wedding night! He got lucky (I will not believe otherwise....I mean, really, could you keep your hands off those pants?)! ;-) OMG....and thanks for that pic!! Looks like a 'real' laugh and we get those lovely digits as a bonus!!

Oh Maria! The smile, the deep dimples, the hands, so what if there are no toes;-)

(Beedee)I am not fond of the *still* either! But I love the animated version. I agree. And it definitely was his performance as Darcy that turned me into a true fan(atic). And I agree with Annette, Darcy in the snow is just too wonderful. - What a smile!!!

Maria, how lovely! (Kathy) "Oh, no! Now he's going to do that silly V thing with his fingers." How embarassing was THAT moment? I loved that moment. And it was perfectly "in character".

(Kathy) "Oh, no! Now he's going to do that silly V thing with his fingers." How embarassing was THAT moment? (Moon)I loved that moment. And it was perfectly "in character". I thought it was sweet too and v. well done in "character". The cringe factore for me was empathetic. Watching his character *struggling* to make this connection with a stanger daughter with his uncool attempt.

Many thanks, Maria! Very, very nice pic!

I just finished "Mr Darcy's Daughters", and liked it....mostly;-) It's a good summer read. Picks up twenty years after P&P left off. Elizabeth and Darcy have gone to Constantinople on a diplomatic mission (they never say why0. The five daughters are sent to stay with their cousin Fitzwilliam & wife (2nd) Fanny, who live in London on Aubrey Sq. They are to stay "for the season". The girls are fictious , of course . But some of the other characters surface from P&P. The Gardiners are there, with daughter Sophie. Aunt Lydia ....now Lydia Pollexfen is still around. And Caroline Bingley is now Lady Warren; still trying to sabotage Lizzie. mr. Collins has morphed into Rev. Valpy. The author is v. good in developing the characters of the girls. She also follows Jane Austen's format Camilla obviously takes after Lizzie. She even says the same remarks at times. I kept hoping the parents would arrive home in the next chapter, but they never do. I got lost with all the characters at first, but they all fall into place. The author is a JA scholar and it shows. She manages to wrap up all the characters at the end; which is IMO the genius of JA. Anybody else, besides Esbee read this? It's new this year. I ordered Excessivley Diverted on Tress' recommendation. I sorta collect these sequels.

(Evelyn)I ordered Excessivley Diverted on Tress' recommendation. I sorta collect these sequels. I ordered mine last week. I've been sequel hungry since The Bar Sinister...with or without the editing problems. (Moon)I loved that moment. And it was perfectly "in character". I know we're OT, here. I thought so, too. Thought it was cute and the whole father/daughter connection/chemistry started coming together with that outing. I never felt like cringing...not once in the 15 times I saw it;-)LOL, when we play the soundtrack in the car, my daughter and I do it everytime the song plays...sick, I know, but...

Sorry to double post...Maria that picture is out of this world FG. Thanks so much. Thanks again, ladies, for all the Darcy comparasion smiles pictures.

(Evelyn)Anybody else, besides Esbee read this? It's new this year. I finished it last week and liked it in some respects. Was very disappointed that the parents never showed up to deal with the wild twins. Saw a few anachronisms, including the notion that a man of that period would actually talk to a young woman about a man's sexual orientation. Young ladies were far too sheltered to hear of such things, IMO. Although you can tell the writer knows her Austen, sometimes it seemed to me like it was written by a modern romance novelist. It was better than some I have read, but of course no one could ever duplicate the beautiful language of JA. I do enjoy the sequels, though, and will order Excessively Diverted.

(Hen) Although you can tell the writer knows her Austen, sometimes it seemed to me like it was written by a modern romance novelist. LOL. How else is it gonna sell at Barnes & Noble;-) (Hen)It was better than some I have read, I liked Presumption best.

Appealing to all of you lovely ladies as I have been stuck on this image (you do not know what I suffer!)and perhaps someone has this...When Darcy rides up to Pemberly just prior to taking the dip in the pond, he reins his horse in to head in the direction of the pond and makes a face as though he were going to whistle, pulling his bottom jaw down and making a face as though he were going to whistle the way you do when you put your forefinger and thumb together in your mouth? Make any sense?...In vain I have struggled to find it...Very masculine, very stubbly looking, very sexy...Must...see...photo...(said in James Kirk speak)help...

(Maria)Make any sense?...In vain I have struggled to find it...Very masculine, very stubbly looking, very sexy...Must...see...photo...(said in James Kirk speak)help... No I don't but I know the one you mean! He makes a *tongue* clicking sound to his horse and it always excites my anticipation! Anyone have a pavlovian dog smiley:-) I'll just use this for now...

When Darcy rides up to Pemberly ...he ...makes a face as though he were going to whistle,...Make any sense?... I know the *exact* face you mean, have pondered long on my fascination with that look, such expressive lips...*sigh*...thanks for the mental mini-break! (Hope you get your pic!)

Thanks for all the great pics ladies. From Darcy to Henry, I've noticed quite a difference in the smile. IMO deffinite dental work, and he doesn't whistle as much when he talks either. Anyone else notice that?

(Evelyn)Anybody else, besides Esbee read this? It's new this year. Just waiting to grab it from the library, then it will be next on my list.

(Maria)When Darcy rides up to Pemberly just prior to taking the dip in the pond,... Oh yes, Maria. I know just what you mean. Unfortunately I'm not able to make captures, but I do hope someone finds it for you/us. I also like to see him riding (we don't say horseback here ;-)). We don't get to see that much anymore. Thank you for the book-informations. Most of them aren't available at our libraries, and I don't like to spend my money not knowing, if it will be worth it.

(Maria) Must...see...photo...(said in James Kirk speak)help... I tried. I really tried. Unfortunately, the horse moves a bit just before he does it, and that means he's moving, and that means he's out of focus most of the time (if you've never stepped through a DVD frame by frame, try it for a minute or so sometime - you'll be amazed by how many frames are out of focus, but the eye cleans it all up). This was the only semi-in-focus capture I could get from that sequence.

Hey Rika, I'll buy that! Thanks, click, click.......

(Maria)Very masculine, very stubbly looking, very sexy... Thank you so much, both Maria for asking and Rika for delivering the capture. I think it fits the description above just fine ;-)

Rika to the rescue. Thanks. Must have been a v hard job to work through that scene ;)

(LeahP) Rika to the rescue I could'nt have said it better! Thanks Rika! This capture you have certainly is contained in those moments (something about the eyes, that determined look) and the rest is, in Barb's words, a "mental mini-break".

GOOOOOD Morning! Nothing like waking up to all that manliness! I love that scene....he's got road dust on him, he's sweaty...you get that ultra-intense look as he ponders the pond! And that pic! Thank you Rika!!! The DVDiva strikes again. The best bit of that capture (for me), that bit of curl that is by his left eye and we see tongue (call me a freak, I'm used to it!!). And I love his crooked bottom teeth....his molers drop off in back (you can't tell that here, but I know they're there)! Thank you Maria (for obsessing) and Rika (for providing) and Barb (for giving it a name "MM-B", I like that!).

That's the one that expresses all he feels to be returning to Pamberley without E as his bride, as it should have been. There is such disappointment in his eyes. I love that moment too. Thanks Rika!

(Moon) That's the one that expresses all he feels to be returning to Pamberley without E as his bride, as it should have been. There is such disappointment in his eyes. Well said! I get so caught up in the drooly bits and anticpate the pond so much, that I forget the reason why he has that look in his eyes....disappointment, a bit of sadness (he's coming home alone.....) and determination (he shall conquer this! he shall!).

(Maria) Must...see...photo (Rika) I tried. I really tried. (What a wiz! The things you do for us! Thanks) (Leah) Must have been a v hard job to work through that scene ;) (Tress) we see tongue (call me a freak, I'm used to it!!)...his molers drop off in back (you can't tell that here, but I know they're there)! ROFLMAO This is why I love this group! We're obsessing about what, 8-10 seconds of screen time...the *precise* formation of those (luscious) lips? (And I thought it was just my eyes out of focus as he seems to be about to lick his lips!) Oh, and the intense eyes. And you all understand! I love you guys! What are we obsessing about next? (My morning was starting kinda sucky, I'm much better after the MM-B! Thanks)

(Moon)There is such disappointment in his eyes. I love that moment too. Thanks Rika! And the "heat" Louisa!

Is it just me, or are those neckcloths way sexier than ties? They make me fantasize about untying them and unwrapping them and getting at that neck (and Adam's apple, etc.). (Moon) That's the one that expresses all he feels to be returning to Pamberley without E as his bride, as it should have been. There is such disappointment in his eyes. Exactly! (Tress) Nothing like waking up to all that manliness! I love that scene....he's got road dust on him, he's sweaty...you get that ultra-intense look as he ponders the pond! And that pic! Thank you Rika!!! The DVDiva strikes again. The best bit of that capture (for me), that bit of curl that is by his left eye and we see tongue (call me a freak, I'm used to it!!). He does look nice and dusty, and it is a lovely curl. (and okay, you're a freak) Thank you Maria (for obsessing) and Rika (for providing) and Barb (for giving it a name "MM-B", I like that!). Ditto!

(KathyF) Is it just me, or are those neckcloths way sexier than ties? They make me fantasize about untying them and unwrapping them and getting at that neck (and Adam's apple, etc.). Oh! I hear ya! Way, way, way sexier than the modern neck tie....it's like all those buttons....just begging to be undone! ;-)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. That face, those eyes, those lips. Let me at him;-)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH. That face, those eyes, those lips. Let me at him;-) So Pam! You still have the energy after yesterday;-) You ended up with the cream of the crop and now you want to after the guy with the crop!

(Beedee)You ended up with the cream of the crop and now you want to after the guy with the crop! Whatever turns you on, I guess;-) I agree, neckcloths are ultra-sexy. I just watched all six hours last night till 1am. I have a closet firthette staying for the week. She didn't want to stop after the first three parts, as I suggested. It was great fun watching P&P with someone who had never seen it before. She said she couldn't sleep until she found out what was going to happen. ...Now waking up to Mr. Darcy, his tongue, and curls, WOW. Thanks ladies.

(Linda)Ijust watched all six hours last night till 1am... She didn't want to stop after the first three parts, as I suggested. I think P&P is the shortest almost 6 hours around, and I agree with your friend that stopping after the third part would be impossible (I hate having to pause it even to go to the bathroom). (KathyF) Is it just me, or are those neckcloths way sexier than ties? They make me fantasize about untying them and unwrapping them and getting at that neck (and Adam's apple, etc.). Indeed!!!!

Hell week for me I'm afraid, though I've had P&P in the DVD to enjoy while I'm getting ready for work. Am always surprised that whil(st) I'm drying my hair, see expressions, etc. that I'd never picked up on before. Just never tire of it (sigh). Taped Femme Fatal(e?) today, which was quite a trial, since it began in my area at 8:15 AM and had to talk someone thru the taping, due to my new Cable system that doesn't (near as I can figure) understand programming!! Does it bother anybody else when they discover that they have P&P in the DVD, The Advocate in the VCR? I mean honestly, I do enjoy other actors! But I watch it over and over and over . . . too sad! But, the whole clothing thing, and breeches and four or six buttons truly, that's really borne out in the FanFic, rather than the film. Can't, (Kahnt) get past it in the wedding pic, though I have to doubt Jane Austen had it in mind, per se. Passion can be a wonderful thing, yes?

(Shoshana)I think P&P is the shortest almost 6 hours around, and I agree with your friend that stopping after the third part would be impossible.. A common affliction here;-) This topic never stays "cool" for long;-) (CeeJ)Does it bother anybody else when they discover that they have P&P in the DVD, The Advocate in the VCR? I mean honestly, I do enjoy other actors! But I watch it over and over and over . . . too sad! This is apparently an aspect of the pathology of Droolers as well! The DH doesn't even bother putting stuff in the machines anymore. "I'll let you put the film in so you can take out whatever you've got in there......" He hasn't figured out what the "common denominator" is yet:-)))) Passion can be a wonderful thing, yes? Yup! As we have daily proof here at Drool!

Oops, it's early.

(Beedee) He hasn't figured out what the "common denominator" is yet:-)))) LOL....Give him time, give him time! My DH made the connection during SIL, of all films! It was all over for me then...."Hey, it's that guy again! How many movies is he in??!!" It's not the number darling, it's the rotation schedule! (Shoshana) I think P&P is the shortest almost 6 hours around... Completely agree! I'm always surprised when the first disc ends....means I haven't left the couch in three hours....not to get a drink of water, not to pee, not to turn my neck to see if my dogs are breathing, not to answer the phone....;-D (CeeJ) Am always surprised that whil(st) I'm drying my hair, see expressions, etc. that I'd never picked up on before. Ohhh....you'll be happy here then....we love to obsess over every little nose twitch and eye flutter! And what a great idea...to watch it without sound! Though I know every bit of dialogue, I would be reciting it in my head! It took them five (?) months to film it and I have probably spent five month of my life watching it!!! I suppose I really shouldn't be proud of that....but it rains here.....a lot...that's my excuse and I'm stickin' to it!! ;-)

(Tress)Ohhh....you'll be happy here then....we love to obsess over every little nose twitch and eye flutter! LOL, every mole fergodsake!

(Tress)Ohhh....you'll be happy here then....we love to obsess over every little nose twitch and eye flutter! Every little everything.

...Am in the middle of P&P, again. Trying to satisfy the the closet firthette who is still with me. She now admits to obsession. This is the second run of P&P in three days. I know we discussed this before, but I am amazed at the amount of stubble scenes in this. I never noticed it before until we started talking about CF's stubble at the HS premiere. Very noticable at the Netherfield Ball when Mr. Darcy is approached by Mr. Collins.

but I am amazed at the amount of stubble scenes in this. Oooo, I noticed it and thought they were just being true to the absence of modern hair removal equipment!;-) Loved it then, love it now. The "earthy Darcy".

(Lindak) I am amazed at the amount of stubble scenes in this. I never noticed it before until we started talking about CF's stubble at the HS premiere. Very noticable at the Netherfield Ball when Mr. Darcy is approached by Mr. Collins. Thank you Linda for coming to my rescue and bringing me back from the brink of utter despair! I needed a task like this as I have been entirely too productive at work today and I'm beginning to lose respect for myself as a drooler!

Maria, don't you know that photos like that need to come with a warning label attached? Yum-MY!

Fortunately, I'm at home Maria. As Rika said, warning needed, but a great thank you. Nice bedtime picture indeed. ;-)

(Rika)Maria, don't you know that photos like that need to come with a warning label attached? Yum-MY! Yeah, LOL! I agree! And from this pic it looks like the guy in red thinks so too!

(Rika) Maria, don't you know that photos like that need to come with a warning label attached? Yum-MY! Grrrrrr.....that's all I gotta say 'bout that!! (Maria) Yeah, LOL! I agree! And from this pic it looks like the guy in red thinks so too! ROTFL.....It cannot be helped. Everyone thinks ODB is a hottie!

On the topic of facial hair, how come Mr Darcy has eyebrows? I mean, CF has eyebrows, but just barely? Did they use an eyebrow pencil? Granted, I'll drool over him either way, but it's just bugged me a bit. Also, Maria... many thanks. That is yum!

(Shoshana)On the topic of facial hair, how come Mr Darcy has eyebrows? LOL! You may also be asking yourself why he has chest hair too........ and in his "pre-migration" period;-) Like those gorgeous lashes, make-up!

(Maria) I needed a task like this as I have been entirely too productive at work today ... That's ok Maria, I made up for you today (and was on a non-roll waaaay before this picture--not my fault, it's Monday.) Anyway, I've never been so sure that this *really* qualifies as stubble. It may be just more "shading", certainly of the 5:00 kind, but I just put it down to his excesssive manly-man-ness. This picture certainly works for me on other levels: Curl factor=10 Neck Cloth=10 Lips=10 (displeased nature of grimace might otherwise cause points off, but as it accentuates upper and lower dimples, points back.) GSQ (General smolder quotient)=10 I say just lay him out on the table and carve him up, he looks good enough to eat!

Lovely photo, Maria! Thank heavens I didn't see it until just now! I would have gotten even less accomplished today than I did. (BeeDee) LOL! You may also be asking yourself why he has chest hair too........ and in his "pre-migration" period;-) Like those gorgeous lashes, make-up! And underarm hair, too! BTW, this just led to a 20-minute mini-droolfest centered around watching the bath scene over and over in slow motion. Funny how fascinated I can become, watching the valet pour water over Darcy's head as I obsess about the mole on CF's back. Does anybody else hold their breath every time, hoping the valet will be a little slower to hold up the dressing gown or Darcy will be a little quicker to stand up?

(Barb)I say just lay him out on the table and carve him up, he looks good enough to eat! Yikes! Oh, I'm not at work, thank gawd. What an ab-so-lutely delectable idea;-)

(KathyF)Does anybody else hold their breath every time, hoping the valet will be a little slower to hold up the dressing gown or Darcy will be a little quicker to stand up? Yesss! I also hope that the gown will flap open as he is tying it, but it never does.;)

I am new to posting but not reading here, and I may have missed this. But I haven't seen any note made about this specific aspect of the scene where Elizabeth, having come to Netherfield to see after Jane, happens upon Darcy playing billiards. When she leaves the room, he resoundingly hits the red ball into the corner pocket. A symbolic gesture if I every saw one. I have only recently come to learn that "pocketing the red" is a long held euphemism for "sexual congress." Somehow I doubt this information was unknown to the production:) Pretty sly. Whaddaya think?

(Louise) A symbolic gesture if I every saw one. Was just talking about this to another drooler! And agree..... I have only recently come to learn that "pocketing the red" is a long held euphemism for "sexual congress." Somehow I doubt this information was unknown to the production:) Pretty sly. Had not heard this....but I am sure someone on the set had to have some knowledge of it. Like the look on his face as he "pockets the red". Very sexy..... Was Darcy playing snooker (I think most of the balls are red in that game)? I guess it is hard to tell what he was playing as it was a quick shot.... I was just watching P&P yesterday and does anyone else find it odd that when Wickham is first introduced to Aunt Gardiner that he mentions growing up at Pemberley and she states how she grew up in Lambton...but then when Elizabeth sets out on a tour with her aunt and uncle, Aunt G goes over the same details almost as if Elizabeth wasn't present at the Wickham introduction? I've always thought it was strange.....

I hadn't noticed that until you brought it up. In the carriage, Elizabeth asks her aunt where she was brought up! A version of the earlier scene is in the book, no such conversation as the second occurs so we must assume it expository for a three-evening watch. It appears to me that this slid by. Guess they should have had you as their editor of synchronization. BTW, my info says snooker didn't come about until the late 1800's, so if they were as slavish to the era in that as everything else, I guess it was billiards.

Welcome Louise!! (Louise) When she leaves the room, he resoundingly hits the red ball into the corner pocket. A symbolic gesture if I every saw one. And precisely the reason why I *own* the red billiard ball in our Keepsakes listing. ;-D Our own dear Marcia wrote a very droolable description of that consummate action, which I then incorporated into a bit of fanfic many years ago. (Louise) I have only recently come to learn that "pocketing the red" is a long held euphemism for "sexual congress." Somehow I doubt this information was unknown to the production:) Pretty sly. Whaddaya think? I'd say Andrew Davies knew precisely what he was doing when he wrote it into the script in the manner in which he did. Not very subtle to my way of viewing, but I had never heard that such a euphemism existed...but then again, so many phrases men use for sexual activities are "sports-related." Nothing changes.

On my first viewing of the shot that climaxed (no pun intended) that scene, I blurted out(far too loudly),"Red ball, corner pocket!" No subtlety on the imagery whatsoever. But I'd be willing to bet that was an "in joke." It's just too on the money. It makes me love that production that much more. I don't remember anything in the book about Elizabeth cavorting with those big dogs either (with the biggest dog of all watching:) I will research other sports analogies, but I'm not optimistic that we'll find that one there.

(Louise) I have only recently come to learn that "pocketing the red" is a long held euphemism for "sexual congress." Well I'll be. But I'm thinking when I make my entry in my "what I learned today" journal, maybe I should just leave an asterisk. "Pocketing the red" googles -- and if it googles, it must be true -- though not as "pocketing the red" but "pocket the red". Oh yeah, and you have to go all the way to the end, but it's there. I guess if anyone would know, Andrew Davies would know.

LOUISE Glad you decided to delurk....and another P&P addict at that:-)))

(Tress) I was just watching P&P yesterday and does anyone else find it odd that when Wickham is first introduced to Aunt Gardiner that he mentions growing up at Pemberley and she states how she grew up in Lambton...but then when Elizabeth sets out on a tour with her aunt and uncle, Aunt G goes over the same details almost as if Elizabeth wasn't present at the Wickham introduction? I've always thought it was strange..... Good point Tress. Could indeed be mistake, or perhaps she was so mesmerized by Wickham she wasn't listening to her Aunt. Could be a possibility. Great point Louise. No doubt at all about his sexual attraction to her.

Hey! *I* was watchin P&P yesterday! It's those birthdays and those lovely picks.....*sigh* (Tress)...but then when Elizabeth sets out on a tour with her aunt and uncle, Aunt G goes over the same details almost as if Elizabeth wasn't present at the Wickham introduction? I've always thought it was strange..... And that it was 5 miles from Pemberly, 5 miles from Pemberly, not 5 miles from Pemberyly........ (Barb)I guess if anyone would know, Andrew Davies would know. LOL, now that's the biggest dog of all;-) And I'm not complaining. Geez Louise!! A stealth delurking! Welcome to the table! Beedee thanks you too, for mentioning one of her favorite scenes! She loves my *side* pockets...

my tags?

Major crankiness brewing, do not have link to Andrew Davies - Austen discussion at Univ of Wisconsin (something like big men, big horses, big thighs, Knightly was pervy.) Google not delivering workable link. Help!

(Karen) And precisely the reason why I *own* the red billiard ball in our Keepsakes listing. ;-D You didn't want the stick? Only the ball??! ;-D (Louise) I don't remember anything in the book about Elizabeth cavorting with those big dogs either (with the biggest dog of all watching:) I will research other sports analogies, but I'm not optimistic that we'll find that one there. I think it was purely gratuitous eye candy for us.....a wet, naked Darcy (with loosely tied robe) looking down on Lizzy without her knowing it. He gets those extra scenes so that we can be convinced that he is a hot blooded male (like we needed convincing). ;-) Another symbolic gesture.....at a film class I had at school we talked about how swords and guns are often used as phallic imagery. All that thrusting Darcy does while thinking of Lizzy....Mr. Davies, I'm sure, knew that one. And where are my manners? Louise!! (I'll try to refrain from any "but her hair Louise-ah!" stuff....I can't promise though);-)

Sorry to post twice in a row! Try this Barb for your big men, big thighs and big horses: http://www.humanities.wisc.edu/archives/austen/davies/index.html

Louise! How wonderful to have another P&P addict in our midst! (Tress) I was just watching P&P yesterday (Beedee) Hey! *I* was watchin P&P yesterday! So was I! Does this mean something? Perhaps simply that great minds think alike. ;-)

As God is my witness, it worked fine in practice! Closing tag, I hope.

(Tress) I was just watching P&P yesterday (Beedee) Hey! *I* was watchin P&P yesterday! (kathyF) So was I! Does this mean something? Perhaps simply that great minds think alike. ;-) Me too! There must be something in the air! This a.m. I went from Bingley's never coming (clearly not Jane's fault) back thru to almost the proposal. Feel so deficient to have missed the double where-I-was-raised explanation of Mrs. G . . . feel like must have been sleepwalking . . . oh probably was, anticipating Pemberley/Lambton time. Which also brings up the importance of delurkers (though not me unfortunately) like Louise!! Such inciteful commentary! And I do think Andrew Davies doesn't miss a step with this one and the Sue Birtwistle (sp?) production. The book seems to emphasize planning, planning, planning and I have to say it shows. Never tire of it (sigh!) I don't always think he's particularly well-spoken but what translated to the screen really captures the book, the slow-burn sexuality, the this-is-life quality, I could go on and on, brilliant! So huge welcome to Louise!

Louise!

(Tress) I was just watching P&P yesterday (Beedee) Hey! *I* was watchin P&P yesterday! So was I! Does this mean something? Perhaps simply that great minds think alike. ;-) ...and so was I. That's why I missed all this lovely darcy drool. I think the last three viewings in this week, alone, has made me more obsessed with "The man, himself", than ever. I'm noticing things like never before. ...great info on the red billard ball. and... Louise

(Tress)at a film class I had at school we talked about how swords and guns are often used as phallic imagery. As are canes. Witness second proposal ;-) Thanks Tress for the AD link, but I can't access the lecture either. I bet the boss has it in her files. it's an oldie.

(Evelyn) As are canes. Witness second proposal ;-) Hmmmm.....so wonder I what it means that he uses it as a 'crutch' and not a 'walking cane'....Mr. Darcy is leaning on it and using it as a support in that second proposal...LOL... (Evelyn) Thanks Tress for the AD link, but I can't access the lecture either. I realized that it wasn't working...after I posted that link (d'oh!). Sent an e-mail to the admin....says there is work on the site and that it should be up again by the end of July.

Welcome, Louise! Nice of you to enter with the "hole in one." ;-)

(Barb) I guess if anyone would know, Andrew Davies would know. For some reason, I have this vision of his library at home and its a veritable treasure trove of volumes of erotica, sexual customs and mores, and the like. He's truly a DOM (dirty old man) and proud of it.

Barb) I guess if anyone would know, Andrew Davies would know. (Karen)For some reason, I have this vision of his library at home and its a veritable treasure trove of volumes of erotica, sexual customs and mores, and the like. He's truly a DOM (dirty old man) and proud of it. Remind me to send him a thank you note..;-))

first closing tag...then (Tress) You didn't want the stick? Only the ball??! ;-D Honey, this girl kept her "eye on the ball" and so did everyone else.

(Karen) Honey, this girl kept her "eye on the ball" and so did everyone else. LOL....Touche! Had to throw in a fencing reference here.....couldn't be helped!;-D I'll try to get Mr. Davies address for us, Maria....we can both sign that thank you note! ;-)

closing I hope! Sorry Karen....we're a mess today!

I did close it. Trust me, when I say so. When in doubt, leave the topic, then come back in, backing up only to see the message after someone has said it was closed. If the bad message is still on the monitor, it may look like it hasn't been fixed. Now, tape those instructions onto your monitor. ;-D

Welcome Louise! Glad you've joined the fun. You've come to the right place to indulge you ODB obsession.

(Karen)For some reason, I have this vision of his library at home and its a veritable treasure trove of volumes of erotica, sexual customs and mores, and the like. He's truly a DOM (dirty old man) and proud of it. (Maria)Remind me to send him a thank you note..;-)) I'll add my name to that note...... Have gotten much renewed pleasure from his particular takes on the classics;-)

All this talk of bath scenes, riding crops, and stubble made me pull out P&P DVD and watch the whole 6 hours on Sunday after not seeing it for nearly a year. Now all this talk about billiard balls, big dogs and fencing makes me think I may have to watch it again!!!

(Tress) Another symbolic gesture.....at a film class I had at school we talked about how swords and guns are often used as phallic imagery. All that thrusting Darcy does while thinking of Lizzy....Mr. Davies, I'm sure, knew that one. Yikes! I plum forgot about the fencing! Talk about your phallic imagery, and in this instance Darcy's implied phallic longings. It wasn't exactly "trafficking with oneself" but a socially (and BBC) acceptable alternative. But lest we forget, this entire phallic imagery was set by Davies with the opening scene. Men on horses. Big men on big horses. Galloping. Galloping wildly through a field. Elizabeth watching from atop a hill. Can you spell "foreshadowing?" 'Scuse me while I search for my hanky to mop my brow, I suddenly feel a tad flushed.

Was watching the pond scene last night. If you listen closely you can hear those same little purring sounds that he made in "Colin Unplugged" tape as he talks to Lizzie in that embarassed way.*sigh* I am sure those were not in the script. Adds to the charm.

(Evelyn) If you listen closely you can hear those same little purring sounds that he made in "Colin Unplugged" tape as he talks to Lizzie in that embarassed way.*sigh* *sigh* That's always been one of my favorite things about that scene....among others. ;-)

(Evelyn) If you listen closely you can hear those same little purring sounds that he made in "Colin Unplugged" tape as he talks to Lizzie in that embarassed way.*sigh* *sigh* That's always been one of my favorite things about that scene....among others. ;-) Oh......it's one of mine too...*sigh*, if it's the post pond meeting. I just love the way he tries but just can't quite keep eye contact while he's purring.... LOL! There must be a heat wave all over! So many of us have jumped into the P&P pond this week, even in Hong Kong;-)

(Bee Dee) LOL! There must be a heat wave all over! So many of us have jumped into the P&P pond this week, even in Hong Kong;-) Prescribed as an antidote after watching HS;-)

I haven't watched P&P in a while - just taking a peek to check a fact is enveloping! Can't stop once you start. AND Mea Culpa! Forgive my manners! So intent was I to immerse myself in the "Darcy Drool," I neglected to thank the ladies of DD for the lovely welcome! Thank you! Now if someone would be ever-so kind as to direct me toward some tutorial on how to italicize, bold etc., not to mention add all the little "cutesies" that you have mastered, I would be even more beholden and future entries a little more entertaining;)

(Beedee)Oh......it's one of mine too...*sigh*, if it's the post pond meeting. I just love the way he tries but just can't quite keep eye contact while he's purring.... Oh my, I just watched P&P this week and twice last week. How have I missed this? I did enjoy the purring this morning while I watched Colin Unplugged. It's back to P&P pond and post pond scenes for me.

Hello Louise! Basic HTML Tag Tutorial is the site that the lovely ladies here guided me to. It's very easy to understand and very informative. Have fun here!

(Bee Dee) LOL! There must be a heat wave all over! So many of us have jumped into the P&P pond this week, even in Hong Kong;-) (Evelyn) Prescribed as an antidote after watching HS;-) Not exactly - I don't have the luck to have seen HS. But who knows, FD is our all-time hero, and it's always a delight to re-visit an old friend (or old flame? ;-))

(Evelyn) Prescribed as an antidote after watching HS;-) (Josie)Not exactly - I don't have the luck to have seen HS. But who knows, FD is our all-time hero, and it's always a delight to re-visit an old friend (or old flame? ;-)) Right-O Josie! I haven't seen HS either but perhaps I was intuitively taking P&P2 as a prophylactic for a future malady?;-) It always cures what ails me!

(Beedee)Right-O Josie! I haven't seen HS either but perhaps I was intuitively taking P&P2 as a prophylactic for a future malady?;-) It always cures what ails me! Ah, good old Darcytherapy! Take it before, after, or during and you'll drool til you're better. ;-)

(Beedee) perhaps I was intuitively taking P&P2 as a prophylactic P&P2 as birth control???? Now there's a use I never thought of ;) A Freudian slip, perhaps??

(Linda)In vain, I have struggled, it will not do.(heavy breathing) My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you. (Hen)Oh, I love to hear him say those words "My dearest, and loveliest , Elizabeth" does it for me. Almost makes me want to change my name;-) On another vein..... If Mr. Collins was an ordained clergyman, why isn't he addressed as "Reverend Collins". Or at least introduced as such by Mr. Bennett. That is his official title. Is that a custom in England? Same with the military officers...'Colonel' Forster is addressed as such, but not 'Mr. Wickham' or the others. IMDb reports that they are filming a new P&P on 'location' [they're joking!!] in Utah as we speak! http://us.imdb.com/Title?0366920

(Evelyn) IMDb reports that they are filming a new P&P on 'location' [they're joking!!] in Utah as we speak! They may not be joking, but I find it very funny. I tried to check the credits for the director and writer, and, well, there weren't any to speak of! Speaking of other P&P productions, I read in Entertainment Weekly that Martin Henderson from The Ring will be Darcy in Bride & Prejudice (The Bollywood Musical); made me LOL. Isn't it just ridiculous to even conceive of a non-CF Darcy???

(Beedee) perhaps I was intuitively taking P&P2 as a prophylactic (Meredith)P&P2 as birth control???? Now there's a use I never thought of ;) A Freudian slip, perhaps?? LOL! In this case my meaning was a "medical/preventative" action. To prevent something in advance.... but with ODB it never hard to go to sexy places;-) I'm sure you could find Freud happily dancing all over my obsession!!

(Meredith)P&P2 as birth control???? Now there's a use I never thought of ;) I'd say that could be quite dangerous, indeed. (Evelyn)"My dearest, and loveliest , Elizabeth" does it for me. Almost makes me want to change my name;-) Just pretend he says "My dearest, and loveliest, Evelyn". It worked for me on the Lisa tape;-)

(Beedee) LOL! In this case my meaning was a "medical/preventative" action. Oh, I know, I was just teasing a bit :) Birth control should not be so, erm, *stimulating* :)

Serial poster here...sorry, my ADD is in high gear this week (really, I am incredibly busy (and important, HAH!) at work, I just tend to get more done all around the busier and more frantic things are...) anyway, fun little article... http://vision.york.ac.uk/articles/139/books/43205.shtml

(think of Colin Firth in those breeches�) Mmmmmm...*in dreamy mode* I do...every day.... Great article Maria (and I thank you)! I don't know how I would get through my work day without these little 'tidbits o' joy'! BTW, am very disappointed to see that the Vicomte was not listed :-(

(Tress)BTW, am very disappointed to see that the Vicomte was not listed :-( Good call, he was the perfect bad boy...I say we dump Marlowe....

.Maria...sorry, my ADD is in high gear this week....anyway, fun little article... Hey thanks! That was good for me...... It was quiet around here, folks taking pre holiday time off, so this was pleasantly diverting!

Good call, he was the perfect bad boy...I say we dump Marlowe.... Dump Bogie? Aw no..... Did Evelyn put you up to this? Dump Daniel Clever!

But what are these bad boys' redeeming features, apart from the fact that your mother would disapprove of them? ... that hint of unbridled passion and danger... Unbridled passion and danger? Works for me! In fact...would set *me* up forever! But Mr. Darcy a "bad boy"? Oh! One can only hope! Nice work Maria! ADD is in high gear this week I have recently heard of a particular variation of this that may be more to the point...AAADD -- Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder. (Funny email bit making the rounds -- it's me to a "t", don't ask me to send it, I forgot what I did with it.) I'm not concerned -- when they track my web usage at work, I'll plead age *and* disability and be untouchable!

Where's Rhett Butler? I'd think he belonged up there before either Marlowe or Cleaver.

(Tress)BTW, am very disappointed to see that the Vicomte was not listed :-( You may not realize this but Valmont did not even get a theatrical release in England, and the video wasn't released there either for quite some time. So it's not very well known.

Thank you Maria, for the "tidbits" (and all the stuff on other topics). Please don't ever stop ;-) About Valmont - one of the few which had a theatrical release in DK - and the reviews I've read here (not many) favoured it over DL. Back to topic - this is the place to recommend/discuss published "Darcy"- fiction, right? (a girl should allways have something exciting (?) to read on her vacation, so I did a lot of reading ;-))

Anybody read "Excessively Diverted"? It's the P&P sequel published last year. It depicts the first year of married life in Pemberley. The visitors, (Mrs. Bennet!),the Christmas ball,marriages,the scandal(!), and a teary ending. All our old friends are back...Col. Fitzwilliam, Jane, Lydia, Wickham , Lady Catherine and some new characters. The author writes in the same format as JA, which makes slow reading because some to the sentences are convoluted, but adds to the credibility of the story. I enjoyed it

A Firth fan has offerred to send me the book as a fundraiser...or she'll donate it to her local library. Anyone interested?

It's worth $20. I'll donate Darcy Daughters to the cause.

Anybody read "Excessively Diverted"? I finished it about two weeks ago. I enjoyed it, too. Darcy's transformation seemed to be complete.

(Evelyn) I'll donate Darcy Daughters to the cause. LOL! So, it'll be like a PBS pledge drive? With $__ donation, you get your choice of gifts? VHS tapes, P&P sequel books, Darcy tea towels, et al.? ;-D

(Karen)Darcy tea towels, et al.? ;-D I'll take those towels! Got pretty warm with those recent links and would love to wipe my brow with a Darcy tea towel!;-D

Excessively Diverted sounds like fun - Thanks, Evelyn, for the report! (Karen) A Firth fan has offerred to send me the book as a fundraiser...or she'll donate it to her local library. Anyone interested? I would be but I'm sure I'm not alone. I guess you need to decide how you want to handle it - an auction, first come first served, or what.

Darcy tea towels The other Darcy could wear it in TEOR. ;-)

(Dorine) The other Darcy could wear it in TEOR. ;-) And THAT is an example of why you're my hero! ;-)

(Evelyn)Anybody read "Excessively Diverted"? A friend gave it to my for my birthday. I read it during my holiday, and I thought it was the best sequel I've read so far. I can only second the "sentiments" written by Evelyn. I would gladly recommend it. I also read Letters from Pemberley, which didn't score nearly as high as ED on my "whattoreadometer". (Dorine)The other Darcy could wear it in TEOR. ;-) LOL, that'll do me :-D

Darcy tea towels (me) The other Darcy could wear it in TEOR. ;-) Matter of fact, Karen, could you pass this suggestion on to the TEOR powers-that-be? THanks. ;-D

(Dorine)Matter of fact, Karen, could you pass this suggestion on to the TEOR powers-that-be? Just as long as they don't have him use them to improve his domestic hygiene...tea towels are for wearing not for drying the dishes.:-)

After watching WAGW, I have realised another reason I love P&P. The way in which Caroline has a comeback line for whenever Darcy snubs her, is great, and it seems as though she is going to let nothing get in her way of getting him. (Shame, if only she knew!)

From the Sun-Times: Life goes on for some classic books August 7, 2003 BY PAIGE WISER SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST We obsessive-compulsive types like to re-read our favorite books, once a year or so. Maybe we're trying to re-create the thrill we felt when we first discovered a book that spoke to us. Maybe we're just a sucker for a good story. In the last year, I've returned to both The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Valley of the Dolls, but most often I reach for my pliable paperback copy of Pride and Prejudice. Maybe it's because so few people die in it. Yes, I already know how it ends, but I can't help myself. With nothing but a sharp wit and a nice set of eyes to commend her, heroine Elizabeth Bennett nabs the hottest, richest guy in England--but makes him beg for it first. It's the perfect romance. I've tried to warm to the movie version of "Pride & Prejudice," without success. Maybe if George Clooney had been cast as Darcy instead of Laurence Olivier, I'd be wearing out my videotape. The more recent British miniseries spiced things up with Colin Firth as Darcy, and even filmed a scene with him emerging from a pond in a wet, clinging white shirt. I don't remember that from the book. And then author Helen Fielding caused a sensation by updating Pride and Prejudice as Bridget Jones. The idea of Elizabeth as a drunken, chain-smoking, bad-karaoke-singing, boss-dating, pudgy modern girl was irresistible. But it didn't answer the question: Did Elizabeth and Darcy live happily ever after? Was the marriage as promising as the courtship, or did Darcy spend all his time fox hunting while Elizabeth fired chambermaids? How was, you know, the sex? I found out when my editor slipped the book Mr. Darcy's Daughters on my desk. A sequel! It never occurred to me there could be a sequel. The media made such a big deal when Alexandra Ripley wrote Scarlett, the sequel to Gone With the Wind, this surely would have merited a literary outcry. But without fanfare of any kind, I surrendered myself to the new novel. Author Elizabeth Aston conveniently packs off Elizabeth and Darcy to Constantinople before the action even begins. Diplomatic mission, you see. But we can assume that they are happy, and that the sex was quite something: They have five daughters and two sons. In their absence, the girls are in London for the season, staying with their cousins. They range in age from 16 to 21, and they're all filthy rich. Suitors come calling. Aston writes in the manner of Jane Austen, and the result is respectable: great characters, great comic moments, great romance. And yet ... well, things seem to have changed quite a bit in the generation since Pride and Prejudice. In the original book, it was truly scandalous when unmarried little sister Lydia ran off with Wickham. In Mr. Darcy's Daughters, there are plot points having to do with cross-dressing, foot fetishism, illegitimate red-haired children, unscrupulous married men and closeted homosexuals. The language is so fancy you almost don't notice, but yep--there's that word: "Sodomite." I went to Amazon.com to find out a bit more about the author. There I discovered, to my shock, that Mr. Darcy's Daughters is not the only sequel to Pride and Prejudice. Far from it. Call me as naive as Jane Bingley, but you can also buy: *Excessively Diverted: The Sequel to Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, by Juliette Shapiro. *Virtue and Vanity, by Ted Bader and Marilyn Bader. *Mrs. Fitzwilliam Darcy and Other Stories, by Anne Fafoutakis. *Presumption: An Entertainment: A Sequel to Pride and Prejudice, by Julia Barrett. *Old Friends and New Fancies: An Imaginary Sequel to the Novels of Jane Austen, by Sybil G. Brinton. *Letters From Pemberley, the First Year: A Continuation of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, by Jane Dawkins. Elizabeth and Darcy have been continuing their love story in parallel universes, all this time! And it turns out that Bridget Jones wasn't the only update of Pride and Prejudice, either. In Pride, Prejudice and Jasmin Field: A Novel, by Melissa Nathan, Elizabeth has become a modern-day columnist in London for a trashy women's magazine. And in Jane Austen in Boca: A Novel, by Paula Marantz Cohen, the Bennett sisters have been recast as elderly Jewish widows. In the 11 minutes I've spend researching this, I have not yet been able to find sequels to my other favorite books, including To Kill a Mockingbird. If Orwell had written a followup to 1984, what would he have called it? Big Brother '85? And what if it turned out that Anna Karenina realized--at the last minute--that no man was worth dying for, and she dodged that train? At the end of the novella Breakfast at Tiffany's, Holly is reportedly on the loose somewhere in Africa. Seems like that sequel would be a best seller, no? And what about Holden Caulfield? Did he fight in the Korean War, or go to grad school? Did he become a stockbroker, or scribble in notebooks in a hut in Montana? There's only one way to find out: J.D. Salinger, get cracking. Elizabeth and Darcy: Now you can know the rest of the story http://www.suntimes.com/output/wiser/cst-ftr-paige07.html

Did Elizabeth and Darcy live happily ever after? Was the marriage as promising as the courtship, or did Darcy spend all his time fox hunting while Elizabeth fired chambermaids? How was, you know, the sex? Obviously her research wasn't complete. Checking out The Bar Sinister would have answered her questions, too. Especially the last one. Though I'm not making a comment on quality of it in regards to proofreading and adherence to Jane Austen's writing style.

Uh-oh, forgot my winkie. ;-)

Obviously her research wasn't complete. What about : The Diaries of Fitzwilliam Darcy Pemberley by Emma Tennant Good article though. Thanks .I had never heard of some them. *taking notes*

In the 11 minutes I've spend researching this Most of us could've dug up far more. ;-)

P&P will be shown on A&E on August 15 & 16 8 PM Eastern time.

(Evelyn)P&P will be shown on A&E on August 15 & 16 8 PM Eastern time. Ah, perfect for vacation viewing...thank you. (Dorine)Checking out The Bar Sinister would have answered her questions, too. Especially the last one Can't imagine how she missed this one.

Eight years later applause keeps coming.... From Ananova.. Classic comedy drama tops list of TV's greatest Classic comedies and television shows have been included in a list of the 40 greatest programmes ever made, it has been announced. A list of the all-time television greats, from comedy to hard-hitting drama, with soaps, documentaries and medical dramas has been drawn up by the Radio Times TV editor Alison Graham. ..... Drama series featured range from the Nineties epic Our Friends In The North and the classic 1995 adaptation of Pride And Prejudice, starring Colin Firth as Mr Darcy and Jennifer Ehle as Elizabeth." Whole article: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_813431.html

From Gail, who taped and transcribed the promos for A&E's latest airing of P&P because they were parodying the reality relationship shows: "It is quite cute...calling Darcey the original bachelor millionare. Bouncy lead-in music, shot of Darcy's on-foot look. "He's not exactly Mr. Personality. But these bachlorettes want to marry a millionaire." Shot of 'a young man of great fortune' scene. "For love or money, see who goes home without a rose." Shot of Netherfield dance with Darcy & Lizzie in line of four, then Darcy's pictures is torn out, showing the scene: 'you're the last man in the world..."

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"It is quite cute...calling Darcy the original bachelor millionare. How acute is that? To borrow from Amanda.... That's my kind of reality *show*. I, in reality, Love Darcy!

How acute is that? To borrow from Amanda.... That's my kind of reality *show*. I, in reality, Love Darcy! Double posting but I didn't even understand that! Amanda says *too cute* and I say *I really Love Darcy!* Whew.....

last post, I promise.

Evidently, Toni Morrison's a big fan. Thanks to CathieP, who pointed this bit out from the current issue of Newsweek: BUT IT�S JUST HER, with a smile, a handshake and a flowing ankle-length black dress that would come down only to midcalf on the Personage you were expecting. In the course of a long conversation-�touching on the blackout, Al Green, the resurgence of Philip Roth ("I don�t know what it is-�he took a different vitamin or something. Who knows?"), Nabokov�s prefaces to his novels, the "Pride and Prejudice" she just saw on A&E ("The guy who plays Darcy is ... won-der-ful"), her forthcoming novel (the reason you came), the comma and the crossing of female legs-�she keeps breaking into laughter. http://www.msnbc.com/news/956561.asp

the "Pride and Prejudice" she just saw on A&E ("The guy who plays Darcy is ... won-der-ful"), I'm verklempt! My favorite living writer! This, I'd bet, would impress him.

Thanks CathyP via Karen! (Toni Morrison interview)the "Pride and Prejudice" she just saw on A&E ("The guy who plays Darcy is ... won-der-ful") (Beedee)I'm verklempt! My favorite living writer! This, I'd bet, would impress him. Indeed! Such august company! Anyone want to invite her to Drool? Can't you imagine the fan-fic? ;-)

("The guy who plays Darcy is ... won-der-ful"), Oh Toni...please write us a sequel;-)

Another contender for the DH Hall of Fame- Follow link then search for ODB's name http://blackraptor.hispeed.com/close/rhea/rhea.htm

(DH Hall of Fame Contender) "Mom? Why are you crying?" OMG! He gets it! He truly gets it! I'm laughing and crying...thank you Maria!

Holy cow! And that's the cute guy from Without a Trace. Amazing! And he really knew his stuff to correct CR when she mixed up Darcys.

(Maria) Another contender for the DH Hall of Fame- LOL! This guy is great...I'm completely impressed that he knew the words to the proposal! Thanks Maria!!! My DH knows about the first two words then bolts because he can't take it anymore!

Maria, thanks for that. Now that's love.

I don't know Eric Close, but he's a winner.

(Tress)My DH knows about the first two words then bolts because he can't take it anymore! Wow, he stays that long? My DH now bolts at the music from the opening credits;-(

I don't know Eric Close either, but will from now on. Any man who can quote Fitzwilliam is ok in my book. Will check out his show tomorrow night. I like a secure man, and he is secure and loves his wife enough to be interested in what she cares about. Fantastic. Thanks Maria.

Eric Close has been around for what seems like ages, but doesn't seem to have aged a day. Couldn't tell you what he's been on...maybe a soap at one time? Have seen him in quite a few things though. But what a DH!

He was on "Now and Again" on CBS with Dennis Haysbert and Margaret Colin a few years back. I liked him. But, wow, what a guy!

P&P is going to be on A&E November 19, 20, and 21 at 8 am EST.

Followed by his interview on BWTA on Sunday Nov 23. A&E is no dummy.

Along with the 8 a.m. airings of P&P the episodes will be replayed in the afternoon at 2pm EST on Nov. 19, 20, & 21.

Aside from the upcoming Bollywood version of P&P, there appears to be another one which is a modern-day adaptation. According to the website it opens Dec 7th and seems to be a low budget film made by BYU grads, with many of the actors being local (yeah, I read everything at the website). Their Darcy, however, is British and is pretty cute. Watch the trailer. It has a snippet of the updated version of the first proprosal. http://www.PridePrejudice.com/ Check out the pic of Collins and Mary. ;-)

Thanks, Karen! What an ambitious website. I want to know where it's opening without having to sign up for updates. That Darcy is very attractive....til he starts talking. Thought his voice would be a bit deeper. And that Collins! Looks like it'll be very cute.

Seems to be of the Clueless variety, but I have to wonder with its Mormon ties. Did you notice the words "latter day" in the after title? I thought their Darcy sounded pretty good myself; the background music was rather insipid and got on my nerves while I was checking out the site.

Interesting! The music is a bit like some sort of torture....gah! Did you notice that Collins real name is Hubbell? He was doomed from the beginning, poor guy! And Darcy...I want to wax his eyebrows....otherwise, he's kinda cute...but he's no ODB! (Karen) Seems to be of the Clueless variety, but I have to wonder with its Mormon ties. Did you notice the words "latter day" in the after title? And Elizabeth reading the "Pink Bible"? I didn't know what that was so googled and came up with a review for the film....which mentioned ODB, but just briefly. It appears that it is an LDS film. http://deseretbook.com/mormon-life/news/story?story_id=1083

I going the first week it is out, as I am in Utah. Guess it will be the only opening of any kind available to me here! Will give a report. Should be totally squeaky clean, and will go with my young teen Neices, 12-16. Sandi

P&P features in 100 Sexiest TV Moments on Channel 4 (in the UK) tonight. I think we can guess which scene! ( Although I'd go for the piano scene at Rosings myself.) BTW, The DVD is available from Amazon.co.uk for �15.99.

(Janet)( Although I'd go for the piano scene at Rosings myself.) I love that scene, and always thought it was the more sexy of the two. I love the banter between them, and the lowering of the eyes to bosom level;-) The look on Darcy's face when Lady Catherine begins complaining from the other room has always made me laugh, too. I also like the scene from Netherfield when Lizzy is there to help poor Jane. I love the part when Caroline insists they take a turn about the room and Darcy, knows very well why.

(lindak)I love that scene, and always thought it was the more sexy of the two. I love the banter between them, and the lowering of the eyes to bosom level;-) It's the expression in his eyes that I always notice. I think the chemistry was real. I suppose they would have been in the middle of their real-life ralationship at that point!

(linda)I love the part when Caroline insists they take a turn about the room and Darcy, knows very well why. Mmm I agree love that scene too . .. .love the look on his face when he tells Caroline he'd rather sit then join them, so he could better appreciate watching them walk about the room . .the twinkle in his eyes and that liitle smile around the corners of his mouth are delicious!

(linda)I love the part when Caroline insists they take a turn about the room and Darcy, knows very well why. (Kimberly S.) Mmm I agree love that scene too . .. .love the look on his face when he tells Caroline he'd rather sit then join them, so he could better appreciate watching them walk about the room . .the twinkle in his eyes and that liitle smile around the corners of his mouth are delicious! I always wonder if he just can't get up, and what he's hiding under the book in his lap (which he seems to be holding firmly in place). ;-)

(Kimberly S.) the twinkle in his eyes and that liitle smile around the corners of his mouth are delicious! (Kathy)and what he's hiding under the book in his lap (which he seems to be holding firmly in place). ;-) Yum! What fun! Sorry it's such a big image... I'm experimenting with my newfound ability to make DVD captures, and I couldn't resist. ;-)

Great image Shosh! You go girl....... Ya think it's this discussion of *pressure* books that gets us banned on some work sites? Gawd, I hope mine doesn't catch on! :-0

I know there was some discussion of this new LDS version of P&P earlier... Quick interview with the new Darcy.. http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=7851

"? Does it follow the novel closely? (Orlando Seale, a London native who plays Will Darcy in the film, It's not exactly faithful to the novel. It's very, very different." Count me out. Thanks Maria.

I guess if you are interested in that new P&P film .just came accross this *************************************** Variety - Tuesday, December 2, 2003 Film Review - Pride and Prejudice by Scott Foundas Recently the basis for a well-regarded BBC miniseries, Jane Austen's 1813 comdey-of manners is transposed to a contempo American college town in director Andrew Black's splendidly, surprisingly charming "Pride and Prejudice." Taking inspiration from Amy Heckerling's "Clueless" (loosely based on Austen's "Emma"), pic transforms its source material into a bubbly, pastel-colored frolic, while adhering closely to Austen's essential themes. Boistered by a strong cast of relative newcomers, pic is much smarter thatn the fare usually pitched at its targeted teen ticket-buyers. However, the lack of name thesps (save for Carmen Rasmusen in a cameo) means careful grassroots marketing will be required for pic, whic opens in limited release on Dec. 5. Modern dress makeovers of "P&P" are all the rage nowadays, with writer Helen Fielding citing the book as the inspiration for "Bridget Jone's Diary" and "Bend It Like Beckham" director Gurinder Chadha currently at work on the Bollywood-style "Bride andPrejudice," due next year. This considerably lower-profile entry, cleverly scripted by Anne Black, Jason Faller and Katherine Swigert, actually represents the latest in a wave of independantly-financed films made in and around the Utah area by predominately Mormon (or Latter-day saints) filmmakers. (It's even subtitled "a latter-day comedy" in the advertising.) However, whereas such niche LDS successes as "The Other Side of Heaven" and the films of Richard Dutcher have distinctly religious themes, "Pride and Prejudice" is a movie in which the characters just happen to be Mormon. Most non-LDS audiences may not even detect the movie's LDS content, and yet the substitution of a present-day Mormon setting for Austen's Regency England is an inspired one, given the correlation between the two cultures' emphasis on traditional values and, most importantly, marriage. "It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possesion of a good fortune must be in want of a wife,"Austen famously wrote at the beginning of her novel, before detailing the efforts of her plucky heroine, Elizabeth Bennet, to find the right such man. Likewise, the movie's Elizabeth (Kam Heskin), a student and bookstore clerk with dreams of becoming a famous novelist, oft has marriage on her mind, though she is loathe to admit it. The four other Bennet sisters from the book, have here been turned into Elizabeth's housemates: sultry Argentinian Jane (Lucila Sola); perpetually squabbling Lydia (Kelly Stables) and Kitty (Nicole Hamilton); and the fatally shy, awkward Mary (Rainy Kerwin). At a party thrown by the charmingly naive Charles (Ben Gourley), Elizabeth is rather disastrously introduced to Will Darcy (Orlando Seale), an expat Brit stopping through Utah on undisclosed business. It's Will's smug "pride" that in turn, "prejudices" elizabeth against him,a lthough viewers may realize from the start these two are meant to be But first elizabeth settles for the company of her erstwhile admirer (and inveterate gambler), Jack Wickahm (Henry Maguire),as Will is persued by Charles' strapping sister, Caroline (Kara Holden) That's alot of relationships for any movie (especially on running under two hours) to keep track of, but "Pride and Prejudice" does so nimbly The screenwriters understand the story's appeal lies in its chaotic structure, in the way that its many suitors and their potential mates are constantly pairing off and trading places as if part of an elaborate square dance Black, the Scotish born director, whos short film, "The Snell Show," won Grand Jury ath the 2003 Sundance Film Festival, has a fine sense of pacing and timing, so that no one part overstays its welcome. Winning cast breathes new life into Austen's characters. Spunky Heskin is responsive to the comic stimuli around her like Reese Witherspoon was in the first "Legally Blonde" (or, natch, Alicia Silverstone in "Clueless"). And like those actresses, she's well-supported by an array of charismatic scene-stealers, including the irrepressibly emotive Sola, the hilariously repressed Kerwin and the acrobatically goofy Gourley, whose inspired phyisical-comedy antics dominate the movie's Vegas-set climax. Tech achievements are wel realized on a modest budget, with Travis Cline's sunny lighting adding luster to the giddy pinks, purples and greens of Anne Black's production design.

(kathy)I always wonder if he just can't get up, and what he's hiding under the book in his lap (which he seems to be holding firmly in place). ;-) Now why didn't I think of that;) . . .

I'm a little concerned about Charles in that scene. Charles seems to have 'checked out' (he does this a few times in P&P). He is in the background....just staring into space. Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy are having a very racy, then heated conversation and Charles seems to be in his own world. No comment from him, no spark in his eyes...is he saving his energy for some later time? He also does this at Pemberley...

(Tress) Charles seems to have 'checked out' (he does this a few times in P&P). Tress you are killing me!!I am trying to silently LMAO here! ...Perhaps he thought he wasn't in the scene?

(Tress)No comment from him, no spark in his eyes...is he saving his energy for some later time? He also does this at Pemberley... LOL, maybe he wasn't there a'tall. Maybe it was computer graphics or what have you, a cardboard cut-out, perhaps;-)