Colin Firth

This is really ridiculous. I have no idea what's going on. Terry doesn't know what happened either. However, I'm finding it very hard to believe that only the Colin topics keep vanishing--as it turns out the missing Patrick Stewart topic was retired so at least that mystery was solved. This is very peculiar. Ladies, there is nothing I can say to ease your suffering. I am extremely sorry that all your juicy posts have blinked out of existence. But I assure you that I am incredibly upset...and I shall conquer this!! Nan, perplexed but determined

Here I post again my previos posts:: There you are! So my "Tale of Sisterly Imagination" (a title I did not like that much, but..) can be rightfully re-named as "A Tale of Mystery and Imagination", indeed! Seems "The Firthlands" are somewhat elusive islands that disappear and pop up unexpectedly in other places. ARAMI My dear Co-Loonie (ex-cel-lent, Arami), I like "Colinson Firthoe" very much. Ever met his friend Firthday? I don't think these islands are in the Southern sea, where you located them. I'd rather expect The Sea of Admiration off the British Coast, but since The Firthlands are moving permanently no one knows for sure. Probably the numbers "42" and "50" refer to the meridians? KATHY F, how is Oreo? Hope he's better? NAN "Loch" is a more appropriate name as (than? Oh, never mind) you ever imagined. Not only does it stand for a dark deep water and monsters, but in German "Loch" means a "hole". So the files probably disappeared into a "Black Hole" (closely related to washing mashines). For your info: I have printouts of most of the posts of the last few days. Just if you have a question... or a fax?

Oh, its still there, some fifteen minutes later.... promising ;-))

I may be suspected of cynicism again (and quite rightly so) but I find it extremely hard to believe it's just a coincidence... Besides, there is a fear that these strange goings-on may disappoint and scare a lot of droolers away. You may say good riddance to the faint hearted, but I think we must be more welcoming and encouraging to all real and potential Firthfans. We must cultivate all, even the smallest signs of Co-loonisation... and whilst all my sympathies and appreciation go to Nan, Terry and anyone else working towards repairing the damage, I cannot stop thinking WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO SPOIL OUR FUN???

RENATE: Oh, its still there, some fifteen minutes later.... promising ;-)) Shhh...I don't want to jinx us :-.) I thought the second Colin board was fine until you informed me otherwise. Aaah!! ARAMI: I may be suspected of cynicism again (and quite rightly so) but I find it extremely hard to believe it's just a coincidence... I know what you mean, I've had the thought myself. I am ashamed of myself for thinking of it too. However, the truth is that no one has access to the conference except me and Terry...and I checked the logs myself--there is no evidence of any wrongdoing. Our dear man just vanished. *poof* as Valen would say. We've even contacted yapp to see if it's some weird software thing. Maybe they'll be able to shed some light on this. I've been getting those Internal Server Errors a lot--usually when I try to post. T ere were a couple of good replies that went the way of the wind. I believe Terry is going to be upgrading the server soon, so maybe it will clear up that problem. Besides, there is a fear that these strange goings-on may disappoint and scare a lot of droolers away. That is my fear as well. Unfortunately, technical problems are out our control. I hope they won't be frightened (or frustrated) away. but I think we must be more welcoming and encouraging to all real and potential Firthfans. We must cultivate all, even the smallest signs of Co-loonisation... LOL! I'm game for anything within reason--got any ideas? BTW, didja see that little Colin picture at the top of the main drool board? Makes it feel a little more like home I think.:-.) and whilst all my sympathies and appreciation go to Nan, Terry and anyone else working towards repairing the damage, I cannot stop thinking WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO SPOIL OUR FUN??? Like I said, my intial reaction was similar. But near as either me or Terry can tell--this is one of those ghost in the machine things. Let's hope we figure it out--I'd hate to lose Renate's story, and Kathy's Keepsakes and the horses...:-.(

"This is not to be endured!" I'm, worried - convinced - that it will happen again. In fact, I don't like to spend my time and brain cells for something that goes into the Great Beyond unread. ARAMI: Nevertheless I prefer to think that it is not the work of a hacker or any higher entity. But if this be the case we will have to take drool to a private listserv, and you will need an email address for it ;-)). My personal opinion is that it is the Ghost of Count Almasy who is taking revenge on Geoffrey Clifton aka Colin Firth. In addition to Murphy's Law I believe in a) unforeseeable coincidents b) human stupidity (does not apply to anyone present) c) neurosis in computer programs d) unexpected coincidents e) dysfunctional software families (f.e. Mike + Rose Oft) f) human intelligence (does not....;-)) ) to balance a)-e). k) censorship l) purpose z) malice NAN: I would propose to take a break for a while and play somewhere else until this all is cleared up. Might spend my time instead staring at 4xlifesize Darcy pin-up I had this morning in the snail mail... :-)) But then, I'm afraid, the problem cannot be solved if the topic is not alive...? I wouldn't be surprised if it were the sudden amount of traffic, or the file sizes, or the combination of both. Or the abundance of passion and admiration for Colin!!? We could make a controlled experiment -? (Rather than uncontrolled) Nan, any idea how long it might take to fix the bug? Oh, and while we are talking about bugs - what is it about "cut-off" of lines to be continued on the next and loss of one letter each time....? The Tiny Letter-Eating Monster of Loch Firth? The little friend of The Big Very Greedy Indeed Topic-Consuming Monster? To keep the frustration for would-be droolies as low as possible probably you/we should post and explain info/new trouble/move to topic #179 always in the same place, f.e. at the Help! Board in Pemberley, if they don't mind (I'm sure they won't. Thanks.). In fact, I have already dropped a message there. "My courage always rises with every attempt to intimidate me" - I think that is what we should call this topic.... :-)) I will save and keep my all my messages, and post them stubbornly, the same files again and again if required. Basta!

As of tonight, I'll be doing regular backups of this topic and conference till we figure out what happened. We've never lost a topic like this before in three years on the Spring. Dave Thaler, the author of the conferencing software we use, is looking into this as well.

Comforting words, thanks, Terry. :-))

Incroyable, in the French sense! But many thanks to Terry and Nan for their sterling efforts in keeping us afloat. Maybe regular backups will help. But I do agree, Arami and Renate, - you can't help but wondering if we're jinxed! I hope we're not losing CFists along the way. I've noticed a few regular names from the Pond who don't seem to have made it to the Spring (holidays, moves, academic recess?). Perhaps a few more well publicised links with other welcoming websites would help. In this sea/spring of uncertainty it's difficult to drool! I think my most imaginative contribution so far (lost in the Black Hole) has been a reference to his (purported) Marks & Spencers underwear.:-) Oh well, my inspiration is obviously sadly lacking! Drool on, yes!

Holy Incoyable! There's a direct link from Pemberley to this place, did you see, Bethan, just as you wished, Arami? Have you been visiting the Wishing Well?

Sister Droolers (and brothers too, I guess--mustn't be narrow-minded): I posted this a few days ago when Colin was still Topic #42, but it got lost in the cybersmoke. Anyway, rush out and buy the September issue of American Vogue. There's an interview with Colin and a beautiful new photo, both done in Scotland at the time of the filming of A World of Moss. Warning: the magazine is 734 pages and weighs a ton. Also, the article is difficult to locate--it's on page 494. Happy drooling!

Anne3! It's good to hear from you again! You have been a wealth of information of our beloved man, thank you again for keeping us updated as to the latest...

LOSING LETTERS The fact that ,once every while the software starts a new line and you lose a letter is just one little quirk of Spring- There's not much you can do about it, , just work around it. I think it's every umpteen letters it does it, it's not one particular letter, or any particular key that causes it to happen. Do not be discouraged, Ladies! This format is different, but it does work.

Thanks, Caroline, for this information. But I'd never complain (just wondering) about disappearing letters, as long as the topic stays with us. :-))

We'll be doing regular backups so in the future we can restore this stuff, and I'll teach Nan how to back up things she considers important.

Thanks, everyone, for the words of comfort. Back-ups seem the obvious necessity, but happy drooling will be hard with the thought of the Phantom of the Disappearing World Of Firth hanging over our heads... anyway, let's try: Bethan, what was that about his Marks and Spencer's underwear?

Posted by Stacey. on August 14, 1997 at 00:27:39: ] Okay ladies, the horse naming contest will now begin and I desperately need your help in naming all of the horses used by the carriages under my keepership. Here are the details about the different carriages and the different horses. ] 1. Merryton Assembly - A barouche with two rows of seats facing each other. It can be partially open in good weather and the driver sits on the "box" in front. There were four black horses used for this scene. ] 2. Ramsgate - A phaeton, a four-wheeled carriage completely open. One black horse was used for this scene. ] 3. From Pemberley to London - A Coach, a large, enclosed four-wheeled carriage, drawn by four or more horses. The driver sits on the "coach box" at the front. It was used by wealthy families and in long-distance travel. It was drawn by four brown horses for this scene. ] 4. From Netherfield to London - A barouche, different from the Merryton Assembly barouche. It was pulled by two black horses. ] 5. Wedding - A barouche, different from the above two. This carriage was drawn by four white horses. ] There are a total of 15 horses to name. The teams should have themes that the names come from or that they are related to. Examples - George and Georgiana, Salt and Pepper, etc..... ] I will take suggestions until Aug. 13th. I would be very appreciative of any suggestions if anyone has any! Thanks! ] Stacey _____________________ Posted by Stacey on August 14, 1997 at 00:33:45: I'm going to extend the deadline on the horse naming contest until August 24 because I'm moving on Friday and it will take me awhile to get my connection set up again. Hopefully there will be more suggestions and competition for Renate who started off the contest with wonderful ideas!!! How about Megan? Any ideas? _________________________ Posted by Nan on August 11, 1997 at 12:30:58: Stacey, Stacey, Stacey...I had to think so hard!;-.D Hope you get a chuckle... ] 1. Merryton Assembly - four black horses. This being the Meryton Assembly (the only time we see him in THAT HAT) I have to submit my first impulse. Beware, this is only a joke: Incroyable, Bicorne, Chapeau Bras and...Fred!!;-.D Okay, joke's over. My real suggestions--Theme: The Renaissance (as in the beginning of Darcy's "rebirth"): Dante, Michelangelo, Medici, and Leonardo ] 2. Ramsgate - One black horse. There is only one name that fits: Serendipity (One of my favorite words btw):-.) ] 3. From Pemberley to London - four brown horses. The Theme: Heroes If I remember my high school mythology right they would be: Perseus, Hercules, Atalanta, and Theseus ] 4. From Netherfield to London - two black horses. I cannot do better than Renate's Utterly and Completely Perfect!:-.) ] 5. Wedding - four white horses. The theme is clear--Poets (Particularly those guilty of writing love poems): Shakespeare, Pope, Burns, and Byron Okeedokee--that does it for me.:-.) ] _________________________ Posted by Renate on August 09, 1997 at 19:26:48: Here are my names for the Name-His-Horses-Contest: ] 1. Merryton Assembly - There were four black horses used for this scene. Passion, Desire, Admiration, and Regard ] 2. Ramsgate - A phaeton, a four-wheeled carriage completely open. One black horse was used for this scene. Golden Retriever or Just in Time or Untamed Beauty Of The Peaks? ] 3. From Pemberley to London - A Coach, .... It was drawn by four brown horses for this scene. As far as I remember they have already been named by the Swedish team: Shocked, Grieved, Nono, and ... ? I don't remember the fourth one, but what about Chestnut Season ] 4. From Netherfield to London - A barouche .... pulled by two black horses. It's very clear: they must be named Utterly, and Completely ] 5. Wedding - A barouche.... drawn by four white horses. Good Gracious! Dear Me! So Happy! Make Haste! Basta cosi! Das wars! That's it! ___________________ Posted by Stacey on August 10, 1997 at 01:07:51: In reply to Re: Horse Naming Contest posted by Renate on August 09, 1997 at 19:26:48 ] ] 3. From Pemberley to London - A Coach, .... It was drawn by four brown horses for this scene. ] ] As far as I remember they have already been named by the Swedish team: What Swedish team? ] Shocked, Grieved, Nono, and ... ? I don't remember the fourth one, but what about Chestnut Season I do love your ideas Renate, but I going to wait a few more days before I decide just in case anyone else has other suggestions. I really appreciate your effort at helping me to name all of the horses under my keepership! Thanks! __________________ Posted by Megan on August 10, 1997 at 16:09:03: ] ] What Swedish team? ] Ann2, all by her dear self, constitutes the Swedish team/jury Stacey. She was the one who came up with these names perviously, during the other competition. (If I remember correctly) ] ] ] Shocked, Grieved, Nono, and ... ? I don't remember the fourth one, but what about Chestnut Season ] ] I do love your ideas Renate, but I going to wait a few more days before I decide just in case anyone else has other suggestions. I really appreciate your effort at helping me to name all of the horses under my keepership! Thanks! ] You might extend the deadline a little bit, maybe... say... another week. Too many horses to name and too little attendance at the moment. Some others may wish contribute as well. ] Megan ] --------------------- ] To Renate: ] Ahem, Reny, this is not because I would not like you to win without any competition at all but for some other reasons as well O;-.) ] Dammit! This didn't sound sincere. I wish I could think of some other reason to add, to make it look more legitimate __________________ Posted by Renate on August 10, 1997 at 19:55:39: Dear Meggels, IF you have to use a nickname on me (something I am not particularly fond of), then please use the full name: Reny Martin. A votre sant�! And I am sure you can come up with some very very very WET names! Or is your brain not water-resistant? Well, then.... ____________________ Posted by Megan on August 10, 1997 at 21:05:23: ] Dear Meggels, ] IF you have to use a nickname on me (something I am not particularly fond of), then please use the full name: Reny Martin. A votre sant�! Cheers LOL! Oh all right! You picky Keeper of HIS reflective item and not caretaker of anything miss Renate. I won't call you Reny anymore. Too bad, I kinda liked it! :-( ] And I am sure you can come up with some very very very WET names! Or is your brain not water-resistant? Well, then.... Reny is WET enough, especially with that last name, don't you think? ;-) Well, obviously it's not water-resistant cause I lose my ..... my.... what was I going to say?... line of something.......oh yes, line of thought.... yes yes... line of thought, when I see this man WET......WET..... WET... in HIS... WET...WET....WET...SHIRT _____________________ Posted by Renate on August 11, 1997 at 18:19:00: ] ] ] ] Well, obviously it's not water-resistant cause I lose my ..... my.... what was I going to say?... line of something.......oh yes, line of thought.... yes yes... line of thought, when I see this man WET......WET..... WET... in HIS... WET...WET....WET...SHIRT! BLESS YOU!!! Bless you! Bless you! Caught a cold? So sorry! ;-) ________________ Posted by Megan on August 13, 1997 at 11:04:16: I'd rather sneeze myself to death! Aaaaatchooooo! ____________________ A message from your wrangler: You had better name these guys pretty soon. I've spent so much time moving them, I'm starting to get attached to them. Myretta

MYRETTA, they are nice guys, ain't they. They are Darcy's, after all. I wondered all the time how you moved them here over the Sea of Admiration. I image a picture of you on a raft emerging from the fog, fifteen horses behind you, whickering impatiently (the horses), nudging your shoulder, you are bringing them safe to the shore one by one, turning your back, .... ..only to find all of them on the Pemberley lawn again after your arrival in Pemberley. Argh. :-)) (Thorry for being tho thilly.)

MYRETTA, they are nice guys, ain't they. They are Darcy's, after all. I wondered all the time how you moved them here over the Sea of Admiration. I image a picture of you on a raft emerging from the fog, fifteen horses behind you, whickering impatiently (the horses), nudging your shoulder, you are bringing them safe to the shore one by one, turning your back, .... ..only to find all of them on the Pemberley lawn again after your arrival in Pemberley. Argh. :-)) (Thorry for being tho thilly.) They were all very well behaved during our several journeys here. And we have blazed quite a useable trail between RoP and here which I am hoping will be named after me. ;-)

Myretta, thanks so much for lending support to the cause over here. I hope the trail is not too untidy... ;-) Ladies, if you'll permit me, I'd like to switch gears here and drool a little over CF's upcoming debut as Jess in A Thousand Acres. I recently read the book and I can definitely see him in this role...the broad shoulders into trim waist, and looking better than all the other men thing. Then, yesterday I saw the promo clip on E! and he looks fine indeed! This picture was my wallpaper for a long, long time, and I think it perfectly captures the "Jessness" of CF. What think you all?

Susan I agree that the physical description of Jess in ATA seems tailor-made for CF. I'm looking forward to reading the reviews - it will be some time before we see it over here, unfortunately. It will be interesting to see what he does with the role - it's some time since he has taken the part of an active seducer of women! He's been showing a preference for cuckolded/uninterested husbands recently. Time for a change, I think!

SUSAN: This picture was my wallpaper for a long, long time, From which film is it? WOF? Just gorgeous!!! Wallpaper ...hmmmm Then, yesterday I saw the promo clip on E! and he looks fine indeed! Can't you be a bit more specific, please? We want EVERY detail!

Renata, are you in the U.S.? If so, you may be able to see the 1000 Acres clips on E! in "Coming Attractions" during one of the repeats of the programs later this week at 2 a.m. or 5;30 p.m. Monday, EST, etc.,perhaps. (I'm not certain it will be on, mind you, but I saw a repeat earlier today.) I agree CF looks fine, but I am unable to express my impressions as wittily as most of you seem to be able to.

RENATE: My personal opinion is that it is the Ghost of Count Almasy who is taking revenge on Geoffrey Clifton aka Colin Firth. LOL! I think the phantom has found a name! At least we'll know what to call the phenomenon from now on.;-.D I wouldn't be surprised if it were the sudden amount of traffic, or the file sizes, or the combination of both.(snip) Nan, any idea how long it might take to fix the bug? I have no idea, but fortunately Terry is far more knowledgable and experienced than I in these matters. I feel comforted knowing that he's trying his best to get to the bottom of it. Oh, and while we are talking about bugs - what is it about "cut-off" of lines to be continued on the next and loss of one letter each time....? The Tiny Letter-Eating Monster of Loch Firth? Loch piranha perhaps?:-.) Annoying little buggers, aren't they? I see above that Caroline was nice enough to share her old Spring experience so that saves me the trouble of checking the archives for an answer! YAY! Thanks Caroline. (BTW, any more hat names show up?) :-.) As if I needed any more!;-.D ARAMI: Bethan, what was that about his Marks and Spencer's underwear? Yeah, I missed that one. Do tell...:-.) MYRETTA: They were all very well behaved during our several journeys here. And we have blazed quite a useable trail between RoP and here which I am hoping will be named after me. ;-) ;-.D. For this I shall have to defer to Renate (grand creator of monikers for The Firthlands). Her creativity in such matters always exceeds mine. Many thanks for escorting the horses here (yet again). Our horse-mistress is away at present and she will be vastly relieved to see that they made the move safely.:-.) SUSAN: This picture was my wallpaper for a long, long time, and I think it perfectly captures the "Jessness" of CF. What think you all? Oh Susan! I can see why you chose that one for the wallpaper. Lord, what a beautiful man! The jawline alone is enough to make me a little tingly. And my favorite Colin look too--clean and curly and pensive...what a lovely Sunday jolt you've given me dear!:-.D *double sigh*

Renate: The pic posted by Susan is of Colin as Aston in The Caretaker (go bck to the official FoF site with all the links and do your homework properly, you naughty girl!) I cannot comment on the "Jessness" of Colin, but I'm sure, just like everybody else here, that we're in for another treat. Rosie: Renate, Bethan, myself and a few others are not in the US. Please oblige us and share your impressions without reserve - and don't worry about anything else: whatever you may think is lacking, will come with practice, and sooner than you think! It's the magic of Colin that makes you do it... Bethan, how about that underwear? I'm dying to know!

ENCYCLOPEDIARAMI: do your homework properly, you naughty girl! Never been a good pupil, I rely on you to help me along. And you always do! :-)) MYRETTA: And we have blazed quite a useable trail between RoP and here which I am hoping will be named after me. ;-) Originally I thought we might name the first Firthlands foal after you. :-)) -- "Myretta's Blazing Trail" in the Sea of Admiration sounds very good to me. On the other hand, I think this trail would deserve a more elegant name, because the new Quindexpage is very elegant, indeed, and the link incredibly quick and useful. "Avenue de Myretta"? Not yet right. Anyone any other ideas? NAN: And my favorite Colin look too--clean and curly and pensive If cleanliness is a major item for you, the (when?) upcoming World of Moss must be THE film for you, from all what I hear. :-)=) Have you read the book - (can't remember the title right now)? ROSIE: Renata, are you in the U.S.? I'm in Germany, Rosie. Never mind wittiness, truth and love for details is the best virtue when it comes to Colin. :-)) Please share what you remember, just describe the whole spot as detailed as possible. What does he say, do, look like? Does he smile? What does he wear? How long is he to be seen? etc. etc...

To Renate: Oreo is doing fine! He eats way too much, and I'm surprised he hasn't gotten "carpet burn" on his belly, since it hangs down to the floor! ;-) "The Tiny Letter-Eating Monster of Loch Firth? The little friend of The Big Very Greedy Indeed Topic-Consuming Monster?" Exactly!! RENATE: My personal opinion is that it is the Ghost of Count Almasy who is taking revenge on Geoffrey Clifton aka Colin Firth. LOL! I think the phantom has found a name! At least we'll know what to call the phenomenon from now on.;-.D Agreed. Bethan, what is all this about underwear?! "Let's have no secrets between friends. I shall winkle them out of you, you know." (from S&S, btw) LOVE the picture! |=|:-b.... (I'm drooling! emoticon) Kathy

Oh, Amy/Elsa, I like it VERY MUCH!!! Haven't seen this one yet. Keep them coming, but how 'bout an "oldie but goodie?:" I remember "losing" CF at least once when I was at Spring before; thought it was just me. Is it sheer volume? As far as the letter-eating thing, I've noticed that it usually happens just after the fifth line (not that that means I don't still have it happen to me).

BETHAN: I join into the chorus: UN-DER-WEAR, UN-DER-WEAR! AMY and SUSAN: AAAAAH!

KATHY F, RENATE, NAN, ARAMI chorus UN-DER-WEAR, UN-DER-WEAR ... oh dear, confession time! I think that I've whetted your appetites unnecessarily :-) It was just my little flight of fancy following on from his "unkempt" spotting pushing a luggage trolley. I just said (very wittily of course!) that he was obviously long overdue for a wife who would do his laundry and ironing and buy his Marks & Spencers underwear. The only shop Colin has ever referred to in interviews is M&S - the well known haven for all shopping-shy males! Sorry, VERY tame and undroolworthy. Keep the photos rolling...MMMMMM!

AMY: How very exciting to pop by and see another gorgeous picture of him! These are the ones from Vogue--yes? His cleft is looking particularly delicious in that photo. Thanks for sharing :-.) *sigh* RENATE: If cleanliness is a major item for you, the (when?) upcoming World of Moss must be THE film for you, from all what I hear. :-)=) Have you read the book - (can't remember the title right now)? Yes indeedy, cleanliness is the first thing I look for (well, that and the mouth). I haven't read the book (don't know the title either) but perhaps, I shall. Hmm...

Amy, something's gone wrong with Nos 32 and 33. What was it? Try again. Nan, No 29 is from Tumbledown! (Encyclopediarami...!) Bethan, do you really think that the willowy, model-like Mrs F. married him to wash and iron his underpants? Or that he married her to give up his bohemian unmade bed look when he's off-duty? I've noticed him make one concession once, when they were at the Baftas together. I can only guess she made him wear that dinner jacket and he still looked rather, hm, unkempt. He looked somewhat unkempt at his own wedding. I shall be inconsolable if he ever manages to look really really smart in private. (He looked ine at TEP premiere in LA, but only because he was dressed casually). I love his unkempt look! Renate, have you read the book? or fragments? Could you perhaps grace us with some examples?...;-D

32 and 33 __ 32 was a mistake, but 33 should work. It's only his hands, nothing maybe anybody but me finds especially nice.

But here they are again, anyway.

My Vogue just showed up today, and yes, he looks gorgeous and it's a good article, and I LOVE the hands, Amy. A little Geoffrey Clinton, perhaps? Eat your heart out, Ralphie baby...

Like oops: I mean Clifton!

Does the magnifier help? No! Topic 53 is gone - alas - and nowhere to discover.... ;-))

Ooops, false alarm! I looked again, and there it was, the No 53, back again, and all the horses!

Amy - ONLY his hands? ONLY???... Fascinating, beautiful, lovely, just like mostly everything else of his... BTW, popped in to check Fanfic and it's gone very quiet there. Not terrifically lively here, either...

This and the following are courtesy of rosie who made copies before the last topic disappeared Response 271 of 331: Donna (Donna) * Thu, Aug 14, 1997 (15:27) * 3 lines This took forever to load? Anyhow when did this happen? The Pond said August the 10th. It is now the 14th and people are still posting? When exactly will it be closed? It is weird being back at Spring. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 272 of 331: Mari Topitzes (Mari) * Thu, Aug 14, 1997 (17:18) * 1 lines Hey, Donna. Yep, it's de javu all over again.... ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 273 of 331: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Thu, Aug 14, 1997 (22:57) * 1 lines Wow, life! ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 274 of 331: annm (anniem) * Fri, Aug 15, 1997 (06:30) * 1 lines I'm new to this. Can someone explain how this will work? ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 275 of 331: Cheer Me Up Thread (mrobens) * Fri, Aug 15, 1997 (07:05) * 138 lines I am in exile again, while the next chapter of "My Computer Has A Tendency To Some Particular Evil" is written. No access to my mailbox. No dip into the pond before I go to bed at night. Sooo depressing. But "I shall conquer this!" (hope the link works) What about some nice juicy drooling to cheer me up? About his eyebrows perhaps? Renate _________ This sounds as if you were talking about my notebook. Could you check if you've recieved my e-mail after you've fixed your computer problems (I sent it out on Monday)? Thanks for drawing my attention to the eyebrows! Sylvia H __________ ] "My Computer Has A Tendency To Some Particular Evil" Sell it. Invest in a better one. No excuses. ] No access to my mailbox. Hm... ] What about some nice juicy drooling - about his eyebrows? I LOVE his eyebrows. Even though lightly defined, they're definitely there... Youthful. Innocent. Imagine brushing them with your lips, nibbling, pulling ever so gently, seductively... Arami ____________ Ach Arami, did no one ever tell you that an axe is not the best tool to comfort someone...? ;-)) That's better. Good job. I knew you would jump on his eyebrows (literally). IMO it's the lightness of his eyebrows and lashes as a contrast to those beautiful dark eyes that give him this vulnerable look that attracts so many of us... (I wonder, have you ever seen someone with dark, strong eyebrows look that adorably vulnerable, acting skills aside?) It's lightness also helps a lot in terms of versatile looks for different roles. And it's always easier to add some color, than to dye (facial) hair. With this I just want to state, that in spite of his own reported comments on his ows, they are a feature as admirable as the rest. Renate ____________ I have to admit, I've never considered his eyebrows before. We'll have to pick another drool-inspiring feature (which is as you intended, no doubt;-.p). Let's see...I rather like the dimple-y, thing that happens when he really smiles. Amazing how that changes his expression. On some people a smile is just a smile, on him it's like a flashbulb. Also, I loooooove that "dent" (where's Ann2?) Oh, how I adore a man with a cleft!;-.) Your turn!;-.) Nan __________ That's why I chose them ... they are usually only mentioned to state that they are not there.... it's a challenge for any advanced drooler! ;-)) (I'm in a hurry, or else I would try myself on it... ;-) ) Oh, very well put, Nan. Yes, and there is even a difference between the right and the left dimple, did you note? Renate ___________ Sounds like a crummy excuse to me! You couldn't even take your own challenge eh? ;-.) Cheer up will you? Here is your favourite 'beer' picture. Look at the eyebrows and tell me, is he not right about them needing more 'definition'? ;-.) Although..... if you fixate on them...... like I assume you do.............hmmmmmmmmmm.....I suppose one might enjoy feeling them brushing against...... ahem.... have to stop here. The eyes distract me too much anyway.. and the lips and the dent and the neck. What's that? Why is he wearing that black opaque thing? Where is the WET SHIRT? Ugh! Going back up to the dent again, and the lips and the... Here is a nice eyebrows and more picture for you. Too bad I can't put the killer raised eyebrow Darcy picture here. You'll have to do with this one... ] ] ...I rather like the dimple-y, thing that happens when he really smiles. Amazing how that changes his expression. On some people a smile is just a smile, on him it's like a flashbulb. ] ] Oh, very well put, Nan. Yes, and there is even a difference between the right and the left dimple, did you note? I did not notice this fact, I am ashamed to admit. I will have to invetigate this matter further. Megan ___________ Dearest Megan of the moist shirt, please 'splain to me the "beer" thing. Was that another chat conversation I missed?:-.( Oooooo, me toooooo. *pant* Ahh, the dent...I always have the uncontrollable desire to run my fingers over it...(you should see the fingerprints on my tv!;-.D) This is twisted. Can you imagine? All this gorgeousness and I just want to touch his dent. What's with me today?:-.D Is this man just too delicious for his own good or what?;-.) Nan _________ If you don't mind, Nan, to hear it from me: the full picture with the already discussed Mitsubishi or whatever pullover shows Colin with a bottle of beer in his hand... no mystery here. Since that beer is less interesting than his face (IMO), but takes as much time to load, I decided not to scan it in, but the name remained. ;-)) Renate ___________ AAAAAAAAH! (*screaming in anguish from the realization that I may never see such a lovely sight again, among other irritating thoughts*) Oh, Megan! How could you? This is, without a doubt, the most gorgeous picture I've ever seen of CF (excepting, of course, almost any picture of him as Darcy)!! Pray tell, where did you find this? Is it from a movie? If so, which? Pleeeez enlighten me, I am in agonies! Katrina ____________ Sorry, couldn't resist jumping in here.:-) It's from FEVER PITCH!!! You don't know what you are missing (or perhaps you do now!) Bethan ____________ LOL, you're not jumping in Bethan. I envy you so, for actually having seen this movie. I'll go check out that review you mention by Lisa right away. Thanks for the ref. Katrina, indeed it is from FP as Bethan says. He looks sooooooo adorable and gorgeous eh? This is one of my favourite pictures as well. I got this one as well as the 'beer' picture from our photo gallery. There are a few other pictures of CF there, some of which are from FP. Here is a link if you'd like to see and scream and agonize more ;-.) RoP Photo Gallery Megan ____________ Aahh, Megan, you are a friend, indeed! Two treats at once. Meeek, meeek, meeeeek. 'Well, that's what I call gentlemanly behaviour!' But then, beer belongs somehow into the Wet-department, doesn't it? Look at the eyebrows and tell me, is he not right about them needing more 'definition'? ;-.) Not generally, I think. For some roles, maybe, but I like him this way - it's my favourite picture, after all. Want nothing changed. Just perfect. ] What's that? Why is he wearing that black opaque thing? ...and you haven't seen that item (BTW it's brown with yellow and white) in full frontal nastiness. People have been known to run away screaming at the sight of it. :-)=) Yes, please! Renate ___________ Modelling a cardigan by Matsuda. Photo by Lance Staedler. Who/what is Matsuda? A Japanese fashion designing prodigy? Arami _____________ Cannot answer that myself but I note that you are still up late at night... ;-)) Renate _____________ Is the man himself wearing undies in P&P2 2nd proposal scene? I was going to make a new post for this question, but couldn't resist this spot! BTW, I love the pond, but found I was spending too much time here!!Glad to be back!! AnneM ____________ Is the man himself wearing undies in P&P2 2nd proposal scene? Oh I hope not! If so, my little fantasy will be shattered. :-.) ] BTW, I love the pond, but found I was spending too much time here!!Glad to be back!! Welcome back...glad you've returned. :-.) Nan _______________ Would you mind to specify in which particular way do his dimples relate to this scene? O;-.)) Do you know more than the rest of us does? And please tell me honestly: how often did you rewind the tape? �h, to come back to your original question: no, I don't think he is. And, yes, the fabric is very thin and light.... Renate _______________ ] Would you mind to specify in which particular way do his dimples relate to this scene? O;-.)) Oh yes, you're an angel all right!! specifically - left and right ]Do you know more than the rest of us does? And please tell me honestly: how often did you rewind the tape? some things just leap out, ya know? AnneM ____________ Yes, I can see that the fabric is... hm... sort of soft and pliable, but LEAP OUT??? I must admire your sight AND your imagination... Arami ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 276 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Fri, Aug 15, 1997 (11:01) * 2 lines Oh girlfriends! It's gonna take a bit for me to figure this out. I think the best thing to do in this instance is to just dive right in. How about a little Wings of Fame discussion? I choose this because IMO he looks quite remarkably well in it. Weird little film, don't you think? I always feel a little disappointed with it. The story was quite o iginal and I thought it had such potential. That is not to say that I have a problem with Colin in that movie because, frankly, he cannot be improved upon ;-.) ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 277 of 331: Bethan (lizbeth) * Fri, Aug 15, 1997 (14:25) * 3 lines Eeek! This is weird! I've just made a complete mess of registering, or re-registering. I don't know if my password is my name or vice-versa. It will be interesting to see what comes up when I post this. Wings of Fame, okay, Nan! He looks absolutely gorgeous and I can't understand why Valmont and WOF didn't launch him into orbit instead of the wilderness years. I actually really like the film - it's quirky and oddball, and always holds my attention. Drool factor of 10 (top rating!) with a special * for drool overload in certain scenes ;-). Love the way he runs (is he double jointed?) and gazes so intensely at the girl in the maze. Okay, testing, here goes.... ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 278 of 331: Renate (Renata) * Fri, Aug 15, 1997 (23:19) * 5 lines I know how you feel, Bethan, about registering. Several people seem to have problems. This is just a test, will come back re WOF. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 279 of 331: Kathy F. (KathyF) * Sat, Aug 16, 1997 (12:12) * 11 lines I'm here, finally!! What a scare--thinking about not being able to drool with y'all! I am so used to the Pemberley format, that Spring will take some definite getting used to. But it's worth it! Did you read some of the old drool? It dates back to March of this year--great stuff in there. Gotta go. :-( Splish splash, ladies... :-) Kathy F. ----------------

Hi Ladies! It's so great to be here and see some familiar "faces"...Nan found me wandering around aimlessly at RofP - wading through inexplicable posts from people who are so indifferent to the obvious charms and SEX APPEAL of our dear Colin (witness the new Vogue photo and Susan's "Caretaker" wallpaper - yum, yum) - so thank you, dear Nan, for finding me!! I've saved up so much drool since the Pond dried up, that I've nearly drowned, so I'm ready to play! Can I repeat one more time that Colin l oked downright edible in "Valmont"? I just loaned episodes 1 & 2 of P&P2 to my good friend who, as yet, can't see the attraction. She's basing it on his "Circle of Friends" performance, so I'll give her that he wasn't a "good guy", but certainly still drool-worthy, IMHO. Anyway, I can hardly wait till tomorrow when she begs me for the next 4 episodes! Glad to be back with my splashy friends - it feels good. :-)

ARAMI: "World of Moss" Renate, have you read the book? or fragments? Could you perhaps grace us with some examples?...;- Smelling Spring air, Arami? No, I will not step into these buckets you placed so carefully into my way....:-)) Though I admit it has to do with undies (yes!), their contents, and cotton .... oh, no, I will refrain from explaining further. The topic is such that I am afraid I would spoil the drooling fun for the most and frighten them away.... nor would you approve of it, Arami, I daresay. ;-)) For those whose hunger for knowledge is overwhelming and who are strong enough to face it I recommend to read the book "Son of Adam", on which "A World of Moss" is based. AMY: I suppose he was "in character" when he posed for this picture. For if the tortured expression of his hands was his "private self", he was in trouble and I hope he has recovered by now. :-)) Looking at all the topics, "old" and new ones, I think we might as well rename this topic "Underwear and other amusement". :-)) We're obsessed, girls! Are there any other things than male pants we are interested in?

ARAMI I love his unkempt look Oh, I love him unkempt too! The rest of my flight of fancy (swallowed into the Black Hole) was something along the lines of preferring his unmade bed look! Although I did rather like his TEP Premiere appearance - the short neat hair and sideburns looked good on him. Now if he'd looked like that at his wedding.. :-) It has gone rather quiet here, hasn't it? Welcome back Marilyn! And what's happened to Lucie - I spotted her in ROP Ramble the other day. Perhaps ATA will give a boost to drool! I did read one comment (in ROP) which made me think ... "It seems that CF is so busy trying to make different worthy types of films that he misses the obvious". The obvious may be that a lot of women want to see him again in a strong unashamedly romantic role, but I have a feeling that he will never take the obvious route. Sometimes I wish he would, if only to establish his international bankability. I know that there's no chance of a replay of Darcy ... Anyone have any views on his future career path?!! Serious stuff I know, but just until drool gets a re-charge! :-D

More from rosie: Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 280 of 331: Renate (Renata) * Sat, Aug 16, 1997 (14:50) * 6 lines Hi, Kathy, you made it! How are the horses? BTW, what was the problem? - - - " Weird little film, don't you think?" Nan, I agree. I saw it 3 days ago, and I liked it, think it is one of his better ones, but somehow cannot remember much. (Ooops, did I have an accident, then?) Only that in the beginning I found it pretty scary to watch a film where a fan kills his admired star, being myself a fan and a member of a group of more than ordinarily devoted fans... could not help but to check my mind for (ab)normality - but think I am well balanced, between which extremes however. :-)) ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 282 of 331: Kathy F. (KathyF) * Sat, Aug 16, 1997 (22:32) * 7 lines First things firtht! The problem was that I was completely lost about what to do first. If I had taken the time, I probably could've figured out my problem, but I was kind of in a hurry, and my brain wasn't quite up to speed at the time--needing sleep, instead of drool. ;-) What about the horses? That's Stacey's department, isn't it? I don't think she gave it to me to decide. (BTW, should we download the names already submitted, or will they still be there even though the Pond is closing? Will the board become inaccessible, or will it just become impossible to post on it for a while, and then disappear?) Kathy |=|:-) [there, I feel more "at home", now that I've got the Top Hat on! :-D] ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 283 of 331: Renate (Renata) * Sun, Aug 17, 1997 (02:52) * 3 lines Sorry, Kathy, my apologies to you and to His Top Hat! Mixed it up somehow. BTW, does His Hat still try to settle on His Nose? You know, it has an alarming tendency to do so, as anybody can see who watches P&P2. I just had the picture in my inner eye of fifteen Horses With No Names impatiently waiting, beating and scratching their hooves on the Pemberley lawn, eager to make the jump to Spring! ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 284 of 331: Myretta (mrobens) * Sun, Aug 17, 1997 (06:45) * 1 lines I will move the horses over by tomorrow. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 285 of 331: Julia Smith (JuliaSmith) * Sun, Aug 17, 1997 (12:47) * 1 lines Have any of you seen Fever Pitch??? ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 286 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Sun, Aug 17, 1997 (14:16) * 9 lines I'm just trying out the cut and paste here to see if I completely mess it up or not... Will the board become inaccessible, or will it just become impossible to post on it for a while, and then disappear?) -- Kathy F It is now inaccessible. I miss it already. I find myself more upset about this than I thought I'd be. :-.( But we must carry on I suppose...Somebody do some splashing to improve my mood...please... Also, what do we call this place? Somehow it seems inappropriate to call it "The Pond".

Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 287 of 331: Arami * Sun, Aug 17, 1997 (19:09) * 6 lines Hallooooooo...? Testing... testing... The Pond it ain't and the water seems to be a bit muddy at the moment. Any buckets ahead?...;-) It's taken ages to load and if it's not going to improve, I'll be very angry and disappointed. BTW, is Inquisitive and Anonymous here as well? We seem to have some unfinished business to attend to. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 288 of 331: spring's chief bottle washer (terry) * Sun, Aug 17, 1997 (20:25) * 3 lines I just made a link to all the drool topics from http://www.spring.com , take a look and if you have any comments or ways to improve this lead-in, let me know. Glad everyone's using drool again. We're shopping for faster bandwidth now Fitzy, although we are running on a CRL T-1. We'll do the best we can o improve throughput. I haven't heard of the Pond, what is that? Water metaphors are certainly welcome here though. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 289 of 331: Susan (Susan) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (00:49) * 3 lines Home again, home again, jiggety jig! What a delight to be back at the Spring drooling over our man. Many memories in scrolling to get to here. This is going to be so FUN!!!! To start us off down memory lane, how about: ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 290 of 331: Renate (Renata) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (03:02) * 10 lines Hi, TERRY, the Drooling Pond is where most of us Pemberloonies come from, before we were - ahem - moved to this place. Thanks for giving us a puddle to play in, but the loading times are frustrating. This morning 7 minutes, and thats fast, last night I gave up after 20 minutes. OPEN THE FLOOD DOORS, PLEASE! I wonder if snipping of messages olde than one week would help? I'm afraid the long loading times will scare away many potential participants. BTW, will the old messages be kept in an archive? Hi, ARAMI, there you are! How did you manage... never mind, but don't expect to be taken seriously with an alias like "Fitzy"! I am sure no one has to tell YOU where the buckets are - you are already standing in them right now ;-)) And I am not talking about a refreshing foot bath!

and yet more. . . Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 291 of 331: Sylvia H. (SylviaH) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (06:33) * 2 lines Thank god, you are all here! I need some consolation because I watched Circle of Friends this weekend and I'm still suffering from the moustache and the socks. I don't know why I don't like the moustache. A question to those who have seen A Month in the Country: how does it fit him in this film? But I have to admit that the film has som very interesting CF moments! ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 292 of 331: Bethan (lizbeth) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (06:53) * 19 lines Just got in,inside a minute, very fast. I don't know if this helps but I go straight in at http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/retricted/browse/drool/42/new and read the new messages. If I want to return to an earlier message, I use re-display. I've got a fast (33,600 baud)modem perhaps that helps loading times. I've also taken print outs of messages, as that seems faster than checking back. But late at night is very slow. Thanks Terry, for trying to improve the speed. Fitzy! Ha! Thanks Arami, my first LOL on the Spring :-D! Haven't quite got the hang of this. Being a very organised soul (I wish) I miss clicking on the subject threads. To get me going, I'll reply to JULIA. HERE GOES.. (JULIA) Fever Pitch/How well known is Colin in the UK FP is very enjoyable, endearing film, with an excellent(and completely different) performance from Colin. Deserves to be distributed in the US. For a much fuller review, check out Lisa's homepage at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/4558/ Is he well known? Colin is, I think, a 'name' in the UK in that most people (most women anyway) would know him as the actor who played Darcy, even if they didn't watch P&P. But he seems a very private and discrete man. Fame in the UK is often associated with notoriety - frequent appearances in the tabloid press, a messy private life etc. Colin gives interviews sparingly, normally to the quality press, and talks mainly about his work, although he does make intersting personal observations. And I've never en him in a talk show. He's not tabloid fodder. But he must have a high recognition factor now. Okay, a very undroolworthy start! Was interested to see in the LA Times article on WOM that Colin's character (Edward?) lusts after Irene Jacob. I was her in 'Three Colours Red' the other day, and I can see why she's described as the most beautiful actress in Europe. Juliette Binoche plus. A suitable match for Colin!! Look forward to the lust! Right, testing again. BTW, Nan, how do you cut and paste? ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 293 of 331: marina pineda-kamariotis (mpk) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (06:55) * 3 lines It does feel good to be back again...I shudder at remembering what I felt when Spring shut down a few months ago! I enjoyed *scrolling* down memory lane and drooling over the photos that were left behind. Susan, that photo always cracks me up! He is so un-Darcy like...rather, like "Hey babe, what's your sign" or some sort of modern cheesy line! ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 294 of 331: marina pineda-kamariotis (mpk) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (07:06) * 1 lines Bethan: About Colin's recognition in the UK...A few months ago I was browsing through a British magazine (Empire?) that listed 100 sexy people, but Colin WAS NOWHERE to be found on the list! I was shocked and grieved... ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 295 of 331: Bethan (lizbeth) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (07:09) * 2 lines (SYLVIA) His moustache in 'A month in the country' It suits him ... He looks very young and vulnerable - and you don't see his socks! Simon W. is a cad, and the moustache must have been intended to make him look raffish, which it does! ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 297 of 331: Bethan (lizbeth) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (09:43) * 3 lines EE-eeK! Major typo and Freudian slip in my Response 292... Irene Jacob - I was her the other day... should be saw her!! Wishful thinking:-) Loading time is very fast at the moment BTW. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 298 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (10:15) * 29 lines ARAMI--you made it. I'm pleased. And quite impressed with your override skills I might add!;-.) I have no idea who Inquisitive and Anonymous is (I've been trying to figure it out myself), I can assure you it wasn't me. If I have something to say, I want my name attached to it--one of my little idiosyncrasies (among many I'm afraid!;-.) TERRY: I haven't heard of the Pond, what is that? Water metaphors are certainly welcome here though. Terry, I like you already!;-.) SUSAN--love that picture!;-.) Now Renate can drool over the eyebrows with a pictoral reference. MPK - "Hey babe, what's your sign" is killin' me! LOL!;-.) SYLVIA H: I watched Circle of Friends this weekend and I'm still suffering from the moustache and the socks. LOL! Painful, isn't it? However, I do love the "Nan, oh Nan" (for obvious reasons);-.p BETHAN: Irene Jacob. I was her in 'Three Colours Red' the other day, Freudian is right. :-.D Juliette Binoche plus. A suitable match for Colin!! She doesn't happen to have a mole does she?:-.p BTW, Nan, how do you cut and paste? Unlike the pond, where you do all your editing in the response area, here you just highlight from the actual message. Then I hit the edit button, hit "copy", go to the response area, hit "edit" and then hit "paste". I'm trying to figure out the best way to keep a the flow legible so I've capitalized the names of those to whom I respond and italicize their comments. Is that clear enough? Does anyone have an idea that works better? Since I'm new to The Spring, anyone who has been here before, please let know if there is another way. Loading time is getting better for me too. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 299 of 331: Bethan (lizbeth) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (12:58) * 6 lines NAN I'm trying to figure out the best way to keep a the flow legible so I've capitalized the names of those to whom I respond and italicize their comments. Is that clear enough? Thanks for the help with cut and paste (see result above!) I think that capitals and italics work very well - I can't think of an alternative at this stage, but I'm no expert! If we lose the flow, half the fun goes. It's the mixture of CF drool and ready wit that draws me here for my almost daily fix! ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 300 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (13:08) * 4 lines BETHAN: It's the mixture of CF drool and ready wit that draws me here for my almost daily fix! Well if you really want to sweat, go check out the fan fiction topic on the main drool conference board. It's quite fabu! (translation for Renate: shortened, slang version of "fabulous") Makes me and my INCROYABLE friends look like amateurs!;-.) ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 301 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (13:11) * 6 lines BETHAN: It's the mixture of CF drool and ready wit that draws me here for my almost daily fix! Well if you really want to sweat, go check out the fan fiction topic on the main drool conference board. It's quite fabu! (translation for Renate: shortened, slang version of "fabulous") Makes me and my INCROYABLE friends look like amateurs!;-.) Btw, while my loading time seems to have improved, submitting a response is like waiting for a bus in Los Angeles.;-.p No big deal, I was just wondering if the same thing was happening with everyone. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 302 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (13:12) * 1 lines Btw, the double post was my fault--not the software!;-.) ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 303 of 331: Kathy F. RENATE: Sorry, Kathy, my apologies to you and to His Top Hat! Mixed it up somehow. BTW, does His Hat still try to settle on His Nose? You know, it has an alarming tendency to do so, as anybody can see who watches P&P2. Yes, I'm afraid it's as slippery as ever! It's wetter than I thought. ;-P NAN: Also, what do we call this place? Somehow it seems inappropriate to call it "The Pond". No kidding! But, if we drool enough, then maybe our little hole in the ground will fill up and overflow.--It's worth a try! BTW, I love the IBM picture--perfect caption, unfortunately, now it's only Livia's "Material".... :-( Well, as long as my imagination works, maybe not. ;-) Bethan: About Colin's recognition in the UK...A few months ago I was browsing through a British magazine (Empire?) that listed 100 sexy people, but Colin WAS NOWHERE to be found on the list! I was shocked and grieved... I am too! BTW, Nan, how do you cut and paste? Unlike the pond, where you do all your editing in the response area, here you just highlight from the actual message. Then I hit the edit button, hit "copy", go to the response area, hit "edit" and then hit "paste". I'm trying to figure out the best way to keep a the flow legible so I've capitalized the names of those to whom I respond and italicize their comments. Is that clear enough? Does anyone have an idea that works better? Since I'm new to The Spring, anyone who has been here before, please let m know if there is another way. Another way to do it--the way I do it, and I think this should work with most things (maybe not Mac, but, hey, I'm no computer expert)--is to highlight the text and hit Ctrl+c to copy, then Ctrl+v to paste. I MISS THE THREADS!!!!! Kathy F. ----------------

and more from rosie.... Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 304 of 331: Arami (Arami) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (19:08) * 3 lines Right! That does it. It still takes AGES. Shocked and grieved. Will try other tricks, but at the moment there's no chance for a quickie before bedtime... must stay up all night! Weird arrangement, this style of conferring, but we'll manage, I'm sure. So, whilst I remember, I think I have registered myself three times! Terry, how do I delete the two oldest attempts? To all those killing themselves laughing at my firtht post here, I was using my old original alias here, and from the list of users I can see I was not the only one with a weird sense of an alter ego. E.g. Janet Aylmer (THE Janet Aylmer?...) logged in last February as "fitz"! There also is one other person who dared s p some "essentials"... I'd love to be a pioneer, but so far I'm only a follower... Renate, those buckets keep my feet warm;-)! Nan, I wouldn't even suspect you of wanting to burst MY bubble;-)... Not in such a devious manner, anyway. If Inquisitive and Anonymous wishes to continue tearing my disguise off, I hope it will be a fair affair...:-D. Finally, Julia (Smith), yes, some of us have already seen Fever Pitch, so back to drooling! ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 305 of 331: Lucille Oftedahl (alyeska) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (20:58) * 1 lines This is a new format for me, it seems to be more personal. There are getting to be so many Colin sites that it's hard to keep up with them. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 306 of 331: Chey (chey) * Mon, Aug 18, 1997 (21:41) * 1 lines Hi all!! I managed to find you after I went through some problems with the computer, upgrading etc. This format is a little strange but after seeing that picture Susan posted, it gave me renewed strenght to try to figure this out. How do you respond to a particular post, rather than going all the way to the bottom of the list?? Glad to be back an REALLY looking forward to A Thousand Acres! Chey ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 307 of 331: Renate ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 308 of 331: Renate (Renata) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (01:49) * 11 lines TO ALL and BETHAN: Bethan, the fastest access seems to be 'your' link, indeed, but one tiny spelling mistake: must be "restRicted". Since there are so many with problems how to handle this, here it is again: . PS: this does not work as a 'link'! And if you replace '/browse/' by '/read/' it should even bring you further... hope it works... will let you know if not. CHEY, this way you will be already on the bottom of the list, and don't have to scroll down. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 309 of 331: Bethan (lizbeth) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (06:28) * 11 lines RENATE, Glad you found my link helpful. Sorry for the typo - but you've made one too! We're both obviously having problems with our new environment! Here goes again.. http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/drool/42/new Right, I checked it through and (I don't believe it!) I'd made two mistakes! But it is okay now. I seem to be all fingers and thumbs. I'm still finding it difficult to check back to earlier responses - is there any other way of doing this except through redisplay. Reading new messages is very fast but I'm on holiday at the moment and am checking in mid-morning/afternoon. Late evening (my usual time) is v-e-r-y s-l-o-w. I share Arami's frustration here and would probably give up at this time! I can see th advantages of longer postings on the Spring (and there are no PG13 restrictions!) but quick fire exchanges seem difficult. And so is referring back to earlier messages, unless you take a printout. And I'm so obsessed with loading times and typos that I'm turning into a geek and forgetting the drool! Colin who? :-D Great to see that so many are overcoming all technological odds and migrating from pond to spring. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 310 of 331: 'enate (Renata) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (07:18) * 8 lines LOL, BETHAN! We are both "R"-challenged, appa'ently! Sping!!! Poo' D'oolies! If you replace "browse" by "read" - as follows - you will come to the latest messages directly! http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/42/new - - - Tonight Valmont is broadcasted on German tv, (Vox) hear, hear! And CoF, too (Premiere). SYLVIA, all VCR's programmed to record?!! And a picture of him in "Spiegel", as Valmont just before he is to spill (voc?) Mrs Bening with the bath. Ah, I like that! Speaking of bath's. ANYONE an idea for the naming of this Waterplace? ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 311 of 331: Bethan (lizbeth) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (09:34) * 2 lines Does anyone know how to print out responses? When I try to do this, all I get is a "Data Missing" report. FRUSTRATED GEEK, EX-DROOLER (technologically challenged!):-( and :-( again. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 312 of 331: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (09:58) * 3 lines Try copying them to a notepad document and then printing them from there. You should be able to print from your browser though. And since we're not using frames, it should be a piece of cake. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 313 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (10:02) * 7 lines BETHAN: Does anyone know how to print out responses? When I try to do this, all I get is a "Data Missing" report. Bummer! Mine worked fine I'm afraid. Did you try highlighting first? ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 314 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (10:48) * 37 lines KATHY F: ] ] NAN: Also, what do we call this place? Somehow it seems inappropriate to call it "The Pond". ] No kidding! But, if we drool enough, then maybe our little hole in the ground will fill up and overflow.--It's worth a try! From you're mouth to God's ears!;-.) Another way to do it---is to highlight the text and hit Ctrl+c to copy, then Ctrl+v to paste. You're right, I didn't think to mention the shortcut--you're way is much faster, Oh great hat keeptress!;-.) ARAMI: Right! That does it. It still takes AGES. Shocked and grieved. Really? Which part? The initial loading or to get into the "CF" topic. Is your bookmark set to come directly to Colin or drool? Nan, I wouldn't even suspect you of wanting to burst MY bubble;-)... Not in such a devious manner, anyway. This is true--see you do understand me!;-.) If I want to know something, I'll just ask. I rarely resort to tricks and stratagems and even then, only with men. Gotta play their game ya know!;-.D LUCILLE: This is a new format for me, it seems to be more personal. There are getting to be so many Colin sites that it's hard to keep up with them. This is a new format for many of us. As you can see, we're all winging it. Are there that many Colin sites? I guess I don't get around much. Stay a while...we're still too new to this place for our drooling to be quite as wet as usual. We'll get going soon I think:-.) RENATE: LOL, BETHAN! We are both "R"-challenged, appa'ently! Sping!!! Poo' D'oolies! Uh-oh! The speech impediment rears it's ugly head again!:-.D LOL! Speaking of bath's. ANYONE an idea for the naming of this Waterplace? Oh dear! So many WET and wonderful choices! Where to begin? I have a real affection for the word "pond", but that word comes from another place. I just can't use it here. Let's see...hmmm...Lake (too normal), pool (there are possibilities) , loch (there be monsters in here!), brook (Shields, babbling--I don't like the connotations), stream (too peaceful), pondlet ("little pond"--how cute!), creek (too Huck Finn). I don't know--none of them feels right. I rather like the word "lagoon"--there's a sor of wicked, mysterious sound about it that appeals to me. We could always just call it "The Firth"--as in "narrow inlet of sea". Maybe that's too boring. Whaddya think? ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 315 of 331: Arami (Arami) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (17:17) * 2 lines I've just tried read/drool/42/new and it works a treat! Slowly, it seems, we shall overcome... There are bound to be hiccups, of course, but we mustn't forget why we are here! Could The Firth be boring? Hm... Have been in London today and seen a fashionable shop in West End with P&P/Regency style wedding clothes for hire. Nice. Also studied various early 19th c. statues of gentlemen and noted that Colin/Darcy's breeches and trousers were NOT as tight fitting as they apparently could have been - so hat's the fuss? ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 316 of 331: Arami (Arami) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (19:49) * 2 lines I've just been to the P&P2 addicts board at the Rep. of Pemberley and guess what, there's a lot of "lateral" drooling over CF going on there, i.e. not only to do with his Darcy role, but also to do with him as he is in real life, e.g., someone has met him pushing a luggage trolley at the Heathrow airport... I ask you, what on Firth are those people doing a ay from us??? There are puzzling deletions of apparently/allegedly "unacceptable" (?) posts about CF, but apart from curt admonitions, no further atte pts to direct CF addicts to here... Let's do something positive about it! ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 317 of 331: Dolores (DERHODE) * Tue, Aug 19, 1997 (23:18) * 1 lines ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 318 of 331: Sylvia H. (SylviaH) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (07:31) * 18 lines Valmont: first impressions RENATE: Tonight Valmont is broadcasted on German tv, (Vox) hear, hear! And CoF, too (Premiere). SYLVIA, all VCR's programmed to record?!! Of course! I took fully advantage of that! I should tell you about my impressions but I haven't fully recovered from that experience and I'm all mixed up. Pictures keep bouncing through my head and I feel like being on a roller-coaster ride. CF is so beautiful, charmingly reckless, magnificent, marvellously immoral and ten thousand times better looking than John M-how-do-you-spell-his-name. It took me some time to get used to his "german voice". I always have the impression that changing the voice and the language changes the character in a subtle way. In comparison to his voice in P&P I would say: tolerable I suppose but not velvety enough to tempt me! I have some critical remarks in mind but I'm not in the mood to write them down (maybe later). At last I have to vote for equal rights for women including the right to partake in a duel. What weapons would you suggest for a meeting with Mme de M? A Name for this place I would very much appreciate a name for this place and lagoon a is good suggestion. My own train of thought was spring, fountain, thermal spring, geyser but none of them hits the nail on the head. I hope my tags work. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 319 of 331: Anne Mackey (Yeago) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (08:30) * 4 lines To all It is hard to get used to a new place, although this is where I began. You can also set the menu page to only bring up all responses which would take me all day, or new, or past 7 days. Plus it can be diffucult to respond to someone three post above, but it works well once you get used to it. :-) Just saw Valmont. Not a bad way to spent 2+ hours. Still don't see the attraction of Ms Tilly.

The end of rosie's saved posts (thanks to rosie for reading off line) Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 320 of 331: Bethan Morris (lizbeth) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (10:17) * 15 lines "lateral" drooling over CF going on there, i.e. not only to do with his Darcy role, but also to do with him as he is in real life, e.g., someone has met him pushing a luggage trolley at the Heathrow airport... ARAMI AND JULIA Is this the inappropriate and rude thread for which Julia had her wrists slapped? (Oh dear, Julia!) If so, could one of you please, please repeat the gist of the thread for me. The mark of a true obsessive is wanting to get a secondhand account of a deleted comment about Colin wheeling a trolley!:-) The MISSED OPPORTUNITY OF MY LIFE was waiting in the queue in Waterstone's Bookshop with disgruntled husband and son. The lady at the head of the queue was buying 'The Making of P&P' and as she passed over payment she said (something like) "I'm really pleased that it's been such a success... I WAS AT SCHOOL WITH COLIN FIRTH". Gasp! And all the shop assistant (male, nerd-ish, bored) said was "Uh-huh" (UH-HUH!!! - not 'What's he like, did you sit next to him, did you go to his house for tea - UH-HUH!!) Ins nt conversation stopper. Lady disappears from shop. I fought the temptation make a total prat of myself by running after a complete stranger and interrogating her in the street, and stayed in the queue listening to my son whingeing about going to MacDonalds. AND THAT IS WHY I AM DESPERATE FOR ANY SCRAPS!!:-) Does anyone else have tales of close encounters, i.e. I saw the back of someone's head who may have sat next to CF when he was 15 (or 5) years old!! No ideas about a Pond substitute name. None of the suggestions seems quite RIGHT and I can't think of anything. RENATE?? Winner of all competitions .. something inappropriate and rude please! One idea (and I don't know if this is feasible) - but would it be helpful to create another Colin-y topic, adjacent (numerically) to this one. For example 'FUN COLIN' for Keepership type activities, Name his horse, and other flights of fancy. It's easy to move back and forth beween previous and next topic. It's just that it's difficult to keep up with the volume and flow of messages, and topics could be like different subject threads ( I think). Does anyone have any opinions. We would have to seek TERRY' advice on this (I know that in the Help menu there is something about creating new topics). ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 321 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (10:39) * 5 lines SYLVIA H. My own train of thought was spring, fountain, thermal spring, geyser but none of them hits the nail on the head. Oooooh, I like geyser! It's so...explosive!;-.D ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 322 of 331: Lucille Oftedahl (alyeska) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (12:04) * 1 lines All I can find are old messages how do I find the new ones ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 323 of 331: Nan (Nan) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (15:08) * 7 lines LUCILLE: All I can find are old messages how do I find the new ones When you enter Drool, under your name where it says "Possible ranges" you can hit "new". If the Colin Firth topic is listed under "subject" then there are new messages you haven't accessed yet. If his name is not listed, then there aren't any new messages. Also, you could hit "Main Menu" at the bottom of the Drool page and it gives you a list of the most recent postings in all the conferences. Hope this helps:-.) ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 324 of 331: Amy (Amy) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (15:23) * 23 lines Arami said: I've just been to the P&P2 addicts board at the Rep. of Pemberley and guess what, there's a lot of "lateral" drooling over CF going on there, i.e. not only to do with his Darcy role, but also to do with him as he is in real life, e.g., someone has met him pushing a luggage trolley at the Heathrow airport... I ask you, what on Firth are those people doing away from us??? There are puzzling deletions of apparently/allegedly "unacceptable" (?) posts about CF, but apart from curt admonitions, no further at e pts to direct CF addicts to here... Let's do something positive about it! I must have missed the trolley post, couldn't find it, anyway, or it's been archived; I've been out of town. I thought maybe since a lot of you are at Spring for the first time, you might appreciate pointers to some old threads. Here's an archived help topic http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/public/read/austenarchive/6 starting from back in Nov. 96 when we first moved here from Bluemarble, and learned to come to terms with the differences between our old threaded boards and this more lateral format. It might help a little, probably has some stuff in there about the little Yapp tricks you come to learn after a while, like typing in /read/drool/42/since/-0 to get stuff posted today -- things like that. And here are 2 archived Colin topics, the first I think begins before drool was segregated to a seperate conference: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/public/read/austenarchive/3 http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/public/read/austenarchive/117 Anyway, in terms of doing something positive, I am not exactly clear what it is you mean, Arami. I did put a link to this conference from the links page and and FAQ at the RofP today, and we'll continue to direct people here. I'd imagine you'll still see some Colin drooling on the P&P2 board; it's only natural, and nothing that can be or should be stopped -- after all, he's a big part of why so many of us love P&P2. But we'll gladly help the hopelessly enamoured find their over here. I'd like to visit a post myself once in a while, if I am welcome. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 325 of 331: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (16:17) * 1 lines You're more than welcome. ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 326 of 331: Renateloonie (Renata) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (16:30) * 15 lines A TALE OF SISTERLY IMAGINATION There once was a beautiful island in The Sea of Admiration for Firth. It had a tiny spring, and a firth, but there seemed to be no other waterplace. Only the salty waves of the Deep Blue See splashed against the rocky coastline. The island was deserted for a long time, until suddenly, one day, some loonies came surfing along on the planks of a shattered board. They discovered to their greatest pleasure that there was a firth and called it Firth of Firth, but decided not to use this name in the future, because the abbreviation was already in use with the Friends of Firth, a group of ladies living with an abundance of Kings in the Castle of Firthalot in another part of Firth World, and they did not want to hurt them by using their bbrv.s. The loonies looked around. Some of them sat down on the beach to rest a bit, because the journey had not been easy. They were said to be a wild bunch, very wild indeed, but that was only a prejudice of those who did not know better. They were laughing out loud all the time, even rolled on the floor, they raised their voices and said naughty things, and they playfully duelled with each other all day long, but they would never ever hurt anyone. Those who took the trouble to get to know them better found th to be very goodnatured and friendly. Nevertheless faint-hearted souls might be frightened by their rough appearance. Some of the loonies came from countries very far away, where the people have strange habits, and hot tempers, and look and talk different. Some of them were very skilled in the deadly art of irony. Among them were also those who knew the Country Wherehecamefrom, and had walked the Holy Grounds of Hackney! "Dam! It's all dried up here. The river must be dammed up somewhere," one of the loonies said. "it takes an awful lot of time to carry the water in the buckets we brought along." "You are perfectly right, sisterloonie," another one answered. "Particularly if you are wearing them on your feet! By the way, what's your size? Oh, never mind. You can take them off, you may not need them anymore." "I miss the extended baths in the evening, too," a third one said. "To splash some water into the face is not the ame. What can we do?" "If we dam up the streamlet in a reservoir here next to the spring it might work." And all shouted out loud: "We shall conquer this." And they did. "When we use it economically we might not suffer any shortage." "Now let's explore the island," another loonie said. "And give names to all these places." And all loonies agreed and went to take a look around on this island that would be their new home. Later in the day they all came back and reported what they saw and found. Dear fellowloonies, now it's your turn, what did you find and see? signed by Renateloonie ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 327 of 331: Arami (Arami) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (18:49) * 6 lines Dolores, speak to us, friend! I've come across previous instances of speechless admiration, but verbal expression is to be preferred here :-). A name for this place - how about The Wishing Well? Not glorious enough, I know... and one can hardly splish-splash en masse in a well. Darcy's Bathtub? Pemberley Lakes? Renate - something inappropriate and rude? Pemberley (Cess)Pit? Yeuk! ;-) Amy, the thread about our object of desire pushing a luggage trolley is right at the bottom of P&P2BB and about to disappear, it's best traced from "Colin like an unmade bed" posted by Helen on 15 Aug. I realize that not everyone on that board praises our god, there are some shocking criticisms unworthy of P&P2 addicts, but the discussion is always very lively and interesting. You ask what more can be done - how about a permanent link next to the one to Jeremy Northam page? Bethan, I'm afraid it is not "the inappropriate and rude thread for which Julia had her wrists slapped" and since I've also missed that one, I do hope Julia will join us very soon and reveal ALL ;-)... Your missed opportunity sounds a fascinating thing... but somehow I imagine that woman wouldn't have much to say: you know how it is: we don't usually expect our schoolmates to become famous, so we don't burden our memories with details (just trying to console you, dear...) And Renate, my fellow Coloonie (co-loonie, get it?...), LOL! A very romantic vision, but I personally have difficulty with placing Firthdrooling somewhere in the South Seas: is it Treasure Island, Colinson Firthoe or Nostromo Revisited? Still, I'll wait and s e a ...;-) ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 328 of 331: Renate (Renata) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (19:45) * 10 lines AMY, I suppose everybody here will agree that you, and everybody else from RoP (and elsewhere) are always as welcome here as we were and are at RoP! :-)) BETHAN, that is a great idea with the different topics. Let's ask the host if it is possible to have parallel "threads". NAN, IS it possible to ... ? Congrats, BTW. :-)) ARAMI, thanks for locating that luggage trolley at Heathrow thread. Honestly, it's only moderately exiting. But I love the idea that he looks like any unmade bed and yet can transform into the most gorgeous vision..... aaahhhh (faint) BTW, does anyone here remember the Monty Python/Terry Jones song "I'm so worried about the luggage retrieval system that they got at Heathrow..."? ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 329 of 331: Renate (Renata) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (20:31) * 8 lines A Tale of Sisterly Imagination (II) Yesterday I climbed that hill over there in the South, and what did I discover? This here is not only one, but a group of islands! I stood there, looking over the beautiful sunny landscape and sighed when I heard a smooth velvety voice behind me. "Tumbledown." "Wot?" I turned and nearly fell over backwards. "The hill. It's called Tumbledown. I should know." He smiled his devastating smile under that Panama Hat, and I felt my knees give way. He caught me just in time. "Ooops!" he said softly and held me V Y tight. "Don't tumble down!" --- Later, he adjusted his watch and lighted a cigarette, I asked him if he brought along his luggage trolley. He seemed a bit surprised. "Luggage trolley, please, why should I? Here on the mountain top of the Firthlands?" "Oh, I just wondered, because Bethan will ask for it, I suppose." He nodded politely. "Oh, I see." "Do you live here all the time?" "Whenever I can." "And you call this place The Firthlands?" "Don't you know it? Did you never hear of them before?" "No, not eally. We just arrived, and I am looking for some source to fill up our water supplies. We are all very fond of bathing, you see." "That's nice. I love water, too. Come over here and take a look. Do you see the small lake down there? That is where I usually take my morning dip." "Good to know. I this the only swimming facility here on the -eh- Firthlands?" "Nonono! There are many. Let's see. There's a creek, a lagoon, a pondlet, a stream, a loch with monsters, a pool, a puddle, the deep blue see, a sprin a fountain, a thermal spring, did I forget something?" "Is there also a pond?" "No. Sorry. No pond. That is the only kind of waterhole we don't have here. But we have a geyser, too." "Nan will be very happy to hear it!" "Nan? Where have I heard this name before? Nan? - Oh, Nan!" "I am afraid I have to hurry back to tell my friends that I really got to KNOW you! Bye, one more hug, hmmmm, yes... no I really have to go.. ououooooohhh olala........" (fade out). ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 330 of 331: rosie (rosie) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (22:42) * 1 lines ---------------- Topic 42 of 49 [drool]: Colin Firth (2nd 550) Response 331 of 331: Kathy F. (KathyF) * Wed, Aug 20, 1997 (22:45) * 7 lines "Firthlands"--Great!!! I vote for that, for the name of this place. Love the story! Is it possible to do the parallel Crazy Firth stuff? Because if it's not, I reeeeeeally need to post the Updated Keepsake List here. [I'm falling down on the job, otherwise.] (Of course, that's assuming most or all of the Keepers made the jump. It they didn't, the only downside is that some Things won't have a Keeper, and some newbies might want to Keep a Kept Thing, but the original Keeper is lurking or not here at all, and we won't know. :-( Is that enough double-talk for this evening?) To Bethan: I am soooo sorry that you didn't run after that woman and make her talk to you. Of course, if you had, I would be soooo jealous of you right now, so perhaps it's better this way. ;-P Kathy F.

Just caught a glimpse of my last posting (No 46) and thought it was enough to make anyone Y-A-W-N!! Oh dear, talk about dull - "Colin Firth- his future career path: describe and discuss. (Restrict your answer to one side A4 and remember to give your full name)." Or should it be "WILL HE GIVE WOMEN WHAT THEY WANT?" Answer (No, probably!) :-) Right, more enthusiasm, more oomph! Am off on short holiday very soon, dragging reluctant family around the delights of Spanish Granada (Alhambra etc). The last time I went on holiday I discovered CF on the Internet. (Still remember the sheer elation of finding his FAQ - he actually exists, he has a birthday!)If we were off to Italy I might hope for a real-life spotting. Where is he now BTW? What is he doing?! The problem for wanabe droolies like myself is that the MAN is too damned elusive. I hope to com back to some real NEWS, something I can get my teeth in, like rave reviews and Oscar talk for ATA. I've just watched COF again (good movie). Interesting to think that he must have done this either immediately before or after P&P (based on fact that he was looking after Will during the shooting of both). A man of incroyably (again used in the French sense) versatile parts, Mr Firth, or is he too versatile for his own good? Ha! Another question to ponder whilst I'm away.:-D Has anyone read the very funny "Bridget Jones's Diary" by Helen Fielding (ISBN 0-330-33277-5) Colin gets a couple of mentions and one of the characters, Mark Darcy, bears a very strong resemblence to.. guess who?

Where is he now BTW? What is he doing?! BETHAN, THAT is the material point!!! (Just let this sentence roll on your tongue... I LOVE it how Colin-Darcy said it.) Should be back from honeymoon, but no time to attend any premiere in Sweden.... he must be working somewhere... on what? Where?

KATHY: |=|:-b.... (I'm drooling! emoticon) I just noticed that--too funny!!;-.D ARAMI: Nan, No 29 is from Tumbledown! (Encyclopediarami...!) No wonder I didn't recognize it. One day I shall gain access to that film, until then I will have to rely on all of you to describe it's beauty...and supply me with pictures. LOL! I should also like to mention that he is looking quite yummily clean in that photo;-.D BTW, popped in to check Fanfic and it's gone very quiet there. Not terrifically lively here, either... I've seen your head pop in and out of the RoP fan fic. You could always write a little something to get the flow going...so to speak. :-.p MARILYN: Can I repeat one more time that Colin looked downright edible in "Valmont"? Glad you found us m'dear and yes, you can repeat the edible comment as frequently as you like. There can never be too many mentions of his deliciousness to suit my taste. Sluuuuurp...:-.) I just loaned episodes 1 & 2 of P&P2 to my good friend who, as yet, can't see the attraction.(snip) Anyway, I can hardly wait till tomorrow when she begs me for the next 4 episodes! And you know she will. After the Netherfield Ball there's no turning back...he's just two big, hungry, dark eyeballs in those scenes. Great! You'll bring us another convert--we need all the splashers we can get!;-.) BETHAN: Where is he now BTW? What is he doing?! The problem for wanabe droolies like myself is that the MAN is too damned elusive. RENATE: he must be working somewhere... on what? Where? I agree--let's get him girls! Time for the warrior of the CF pond to resurface as THE FIRTHLANDS Guerrilla--RRRRLALALALALALALA!!;-.D As you can see above, Rosie had a copy of the first Colin topic, so it was possible to stick it back in here. I am very grateful to her for sharing the wealth. I know it's a little confusing to sift through both old and new messages, but at least we have them. If you can find your way to whatever you were talking about before "Count Almasy" took place, we can get down to some heacy drooling!;-.) or as Kathy would say :-b...

NAN, Re Fanfic: I simply amuse myself occasionally by sketching brief scenes... I've shared two or three with the ROP crowd, that's true, but I'm not so prolific and can't promise anything, although to tell the truth, I'm very tempted to produce my own version of the wedding night... on reflection, however, it might be a bit too... hm... And on another subject, I've noticed recently a remark on P&P2 board stating that Colin's Darcy was wimpy. Comments, anyone?

NAN: And you know she will. After the Netherfield Ball there's no turning back...he's just two big, hungry, dark eyeballs in those scenes. Great! You'll bring us another convert--we need all the splashers we can get!;-.) Nan, "copy/paste" suggestion worked - if you can train this computer dork, you can help anybody! Well, you know by now, she was quite taken by him at the Netherfield Ball, but still not happy with his treatment of dear Lizzie - but just you wait till she gets to the "I will conquer this", splash, "...and, your parents?", The Look...she will be nearly as smitten as the rest of us. No one can quite describe him as vividly as you, Nan...(LOL!) two big, hungry, dark eyeballs...how irresistable! ARAMI: And on another subject, I've noticed recently a remark on P&P2 board stating that Colin's Darcy was wimpy. Comments, anyone? Well, Arami, I find it hard to believe how anyone can criticize his performance, and maybe I lack a certain objectivity, but wimpy?? I think it was Nan who said anyone who can resist his yumminess is "hormonally challenged"!! BETHAN: Where is he now BTW? What is he doing?! The problem for wanabe droolies like myself is that the MAN is too damned elusive. I hope to come back to some real NEWS, something I can get my teeth in, like rave reviews and Oscar talk for ATA. Bethan, he IS elusive. That may, in a twisted way, add to his allure - but come on, how long can we wait for any news?? I'll play the optimist and say that with ATA coming out next month, we'll be seeing more of him - although, here the leading ladies will get the attention. Since I haven't yet read the book, are we in for some REAL love scenes and with whom?? Michelle or Jessica or Jennifer? or all three???? Have a fun and safe holiday, Bethan!

CF/Jess gets around in the book version of ATA, so there should be plenty of good old-fashioned snoggin'. I, for one, am also looking forward to seeing him jog in nothing but a pair of shorts and shoes. Hubba, hubba!

ARAMI: NAN, Re Fanfic: (snip) to tell the truth, I'm very tempted to produce my own version of the wedding night... on reflection, however, it might be a bit too... hm... I say let the creative juices flow...Carolyn did and people seemed to really enjoy that one. Several of the fan fics are that way. Carolyn's was good for me in that it was just enough without crossing the border into the realm of "more than I needed to know". Someone at RoP posted a general fan fic link and I went to check out some of the Star Trek ones (yes, I know--I'm a little twisted). Some of them, not all, but some were so way over the top that they were digusting. Too disgusting for me to even get hrough them. However, I know that you would never put our dear Darcy in such an undignified position and I'm sure your version would be interesting. But no pressure you understand...;-.p And on another subject, I've noticed recently a remark on P&P2 board stating that Colin's Darcy was wimpy. Comments, anyone? I looked everywhere and I couldn't find that one. It's probably better because I'm a little defensive about his sublime Darcy. The epitome of manly perfection he is. BETHAN: Am off on short holiday very soon How short? We shall miss you dear. It sounds like a great vacation though. I'm jealous. :-.) SUSAN: CF/Jess gets around in the book version of ATA, so there should be plenty of good old-fashioned snoggin'. I love that word--Americans don't use it. Most don't know what it means. Fortunately I have a friend from England who does all the translating for me. I, for one, am also looking forward to seeing him jog in nothing but a pair of shorts and shoes. Hubba, hubba! Oooh, I haven't read the book. Are you saying that it's a possibilty? Maybe I need to take a little trip to Barnes & Noble. :-.) On another note, I forgot to thank Myretta for helping me stick all Rosie's saved messages back in here. Thanks pal. :-.)

NAN I say let the creative juices flow...Carolyn did and people seemed to really enjoy that one. Several of the fan fics are that way. Carolyn's was good for me in that it was just enough without crossing the border into the realm of "more than I needed to know". Thank you, Nan. I am glad you liked it. Hope you have had a chance to read some of the older stuff yet?

Nan, he does jog shirtless in the book, but we'll have to wait and see if the powers that be were smart enough to include that in the movie. I am assuming they know CF's sex symbol status and were trying to cash in on that by casting him as Jess to begin with. If so, they should play up that aspect of Jess, and the book certainly allows for that interpretation.

ROSIE: We have not yet met, but let me thank you for doing what no one else thought of: save the files! Good work! (aside): Eat your heart out, Count Almasy! You will never succeed! You stole Geoffrey's wife, you stole the bathing scene in TEP - but you will never prevent us with your tricks to drool over Colin, as long as there are such circumspect women! Ha! CAROLYN: Something with a warm, soapy bath.... do I remember right? ARAMI: I'm very tempted to produce my own version of the wedding night... on reflection, however, it might be a bit too... hm... ...a bit too .... natural and just? I'm curious. And on another subject, I've noticed recently a remark on P&P2 board stating that Colin's Darcy was wimpy. Comments, anyone? (I have an idea what "wimpy" means, but cannot find it in my dictionnaries - can anyone help me?? Those who need to pick on Mr Darcy supposedly found something better.... probably they prefer Mr Collins. :-) > MARILYN, NAN: (snip)...Colin looked downright edible in "Valmont"? Glad you found us m'dear and yes, you can repeat the edible comment as frequently as you like. There can never be too many mentions of his deliciousness to suit my taste. Sluuuuurp...:-.) Oh, yes, he's our favourite dish, isn't he. What would you like as an aperitivo? 'Colin's Coctail' or 'Colin on the Rocks'? Any recipes?

The Pemberley Oz contingent actually did make -- and eat! -- a Darcy dessert inspired by Ann2's nomination when we were matching characters and desserts: Darcy suggestion: A dark chocolate form (very formal) containing the smoothest chocolate mousse , flavoured with tiny straws of orange peeling and Cointreau (you know that strong and sweet liqueur with orange flavour). To be enjoyed slowly licking it from a small spoon and wishing it would last for ever. Here's the address for the rest of the dessert thread from the archives here: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/austenarchive/93

All your comments about ATA make me really hungry to see it. Unfortunately, german fans will have to wait until March 98 (six months, help!). Watched Playmaker last evening (many thanks to Renate for sending me the tape). Well, what can I say? I was forewarned and it wasn't as bad as I had expected. But I stopped the taped before he turns Jamie around to the mirror. I had the strange feeling that I would encounter Frankenstein's monster. Colin was easier to look at as in COF (no socks!) and it was nice to see him in as a man of the nineties. He looks absolutely gorgeous in jeans - and under the shower of course! The discussion about desserts reminds me of an article which appeared in Radio Times some weeks ago (I found it by chance in the library). I can't remember the name of author (a woman), she writes about having missed P&P and Darcymania in 1995 and that it is impossible to jump on the train now. At the end she says (I'm quoting from memory): "It has to be said, that Colin smoulders like a chip pan with eyes that could burn a hole into a choc-ice at 50 paces." Good description, don't you agree?

Off on my hols very soon (just for a week). Thanks for your good wishes. Shall be on tbe lookout at the airport for all unkempt 6'1" males pushing luggage trolleys and will attempt to establish eye contact. 'Eyes that could burn a hole into a choc-ice at 50 paces' should be easy to spot! You never know my luck :-) Look forward to hearing about ATA. RENATE and SYLVIA, hope that you enjoy Colin in FP!

RENATE: (I have an idea what "wimpy" means, but cannot find it in my dictionnaries - can anyone help me?? Wimpy: weakling, namby-pamby, nebbish, sissy, etc. -- Horrible, yes? Oh, yes, he's our favourite dish, isn't he. What would you like as an aperitivo? 'Colin's Coctail' or 'Colin on the Rocks'? I should prefer Colin "straight up" (does that translate?), but in a pinch I'll settle for a Tom Col(l)ins...;-.p AMY: To be enjoyed slowly licking it from a small spoon and wishing it would last for ever. Oh MY! Something tells me I've missed much of the good stuff...:-.( SYLVIA: All your comments about ATA make me really hungry to see it. As soon as it comes out I shall drag my lazy butt to it and give you a full report! Watched Playmaker last evening. Well, what can I say? I was forewarned and it wasn't as bad as I had expected. You are more charitable than I. Colin is a wonderful actor and he's very easy on the eyes, but that movie just makes me cringe...

NAN I should prefer Colin "straight up" (does that translate?),.. May I let my fantasy ramble? ... but in a pinch I'll settle for a Tom Col(l)ins...;-.p I always suspected that there are people who prefer Mr Namby-Pamby Collins over Colin, but I had not expected you to be one of them, Nan. ;-.))

I should prefer Colin "straight up" (does that translate?), but in a pinch I'll settle for a Tom Col(l)ins...;-.p __ Well... all that really matters is that he is wet. How about just "Colin With a Splash?"

RENATE: May I let my fantasy ramble? But, of course... ... but in a pinch I'll settle for a Tom Col(l)ins...;-.p I always suspected that there are people who prefer Mr Namby-Pamby Collins over Colin, but I had not expected you to be one of them, Nan. ;-.)) I see we've quickly picked up the correct usage of "Namby-Pamby" LOL! I can't believe I left you such an easy opening. I must have been tired when I posted that last one. Yeah, that was it....I was tired....Mr. Collins indeed! If the thought wasn't so preposterous I should be quite put out! ;-.p AMY: Well... all that really matters is that he is wet. How about just "Colin With a Splash?" Wicked! You've no idea what twisted directions that took me in...;-.D But you are correct, the wetness is a crucial element here...hmmm...There are always those drinks with the kinky names--"Sex on the Beach" (note: WET reference), "Between the Sheets"(which leaves you quite hung, so to speak), etc. :-.)

Well, it's taken me AGES to get through to here and now what I wanted to say sounds an old Incroyable...;-) Still, I must have my share in the conversation. RENATE:"Underwear and other amusement". :-)) We're obsessed, girls! Are there any other things than male pants we are interested in? LOL! You can always try embroidery and cooking... in the meantime, why not dip in our Fan Fic for some reassurance: following Carolyn's illustrious example, Lisa is now displaying a very robust line in the super-natural and totally unjust 8-D! I shall certainly stay out of the way whilst that particular fantasy lasts... Mr and Mrs D. as maniacal sex addicts! Stop it, I like it!!! Nan, Terry has washed his hands and pointed to you as responsible for all this permissiveness! ROTF! BTW, NAN, what do you ean by "putting our dear Darcy in such an undignified position..." Undignified? In bed (and elsewhere...) with his wife? Hmmm...;-) Re BETHAN's sober comments, I agree - I don't think Colin wants the burden of being "internationally bankable". In his eyes, being bankable is not preferable over being a respected actor. He will keep on making less obvious, but for him more satisfying choices and probably will never be one of the grand glittering Stars: just a modest, quiet and utterly dependable, brilliant professional - and we'll always love him for it... That's the wonder of Colin... I note that JULIA still hasn't revealed her reputedly "naughty" post - come on, girl, we're much more relaxed here, no slapping, except in playfulness! Right, Nan? And SUSAN, in view of the problem with random disappearing letters here, I'd be careful with words like "shirtless" ;-) Even now I can't be sure... but I'll risk it! Here we go!

ARAMI: Nan, Terry has washed his hands and pointed to you as responsible for all this permissiveness! ROTF! Yes, I noticed :-.) BTW, NAN, what do you mean by "putting our dear Darcy in such an undignified position..." Undignified? In bed (and elsewhere...) with his wife? Hmmm...;-) Nope, bed (or elsewhere) works for me as long as it's with his wife and not the entire population of Derbyshire together if you catch my drift. If you had read those hideous Star Trek fan fics I mentioned, you'd know exactly what I meant. Ugh! They were positively painful to see and very...well, undignified. :-.D I note that JULIA still hasn't revealed her reputedly "naughty" post - come on, girl, we're much more relaxed here, no slapping, except in playfulness! Right, Nan? You're just loving this, aren't you? :-.) Actually, I don't recall Julia's post being "naughty" in the way you mean--bummer, huh? :-.) BTW, isn't it cool the way this software corrects your tags? Groovy!;-.)

ARAMI: Well, it's taken me AGES to get through to here Which way did you try? Directly from the beginning? I usually enter through the "back door" ("new"), and then I use "Redisplay" to work the way back if I want. Much faster than to start from the beginning every time . re: Underwear obsession/ " .... You can always try embroidery" What about some nice embroidery on his boxer shorts? This gives me a nice transition to "... his thunderous thighs," Ahhhh! Thunderous! Thunderous!!! Cannot calm down at all. You see, I've been to FanFic as recommended, and my eye caught his........"thunderous thighs"! LISA, if you read this, I hope you will not mind me picking this out... a strong expression, indeed, for a strong - eh - item? My fantasy runs wild! RRRRLALALALALAAAAAhhhhhaaaaa......olalala.... I've read Terry's post and my jaw dropped. No limits here to violate? How disappointing! What are we going to do? :-.) NAN: works for me as long as it's with his wife and not the entire population of Derbyshire together I'm getting curious about the Star Trek fanfic you mention so frequently...but I trust you if you say it's hideous. From what you say I get it's not just a romantic or passionate tete-a-tete of two but ......considering that Star Trek is not even limited to the population of Derbyshire, nor the milky way or galaxies, nor human beings, there's a whole lot of possibilites. :-))

RENATE: This gives me a nice transition to "... his thunderous thighs," Ahhhh! Thunderous! Thunderous!!! (snip) RRRRLALALALALAAAAAhhhhhaaaaa......olalala.... ROTFLMAO!!;-.D Thank you dear looking glass lady--that was my first real happy laugh today!;-.) I've read Terry's post and my jaw dropped. No limits here to violate? How disappointing! What are we going to do? :-.) Goodness only knows...whatever shall you do?:-.p Don't worry dear, I'm sure something (eventually) will come up that'll cross the line and I shall be forced to do the distasteful policeman thing. However, the lines here are a lot farther away than they used to be. Perhaps this move was in our best interests after all? ;-.p I'm getting curious about the Star Trek fanfic you mention so frequently...but I trust you if you say it's hideous. From what you say I get it's not just a romantic or passionate tete-a-tete of two but ......considering that Star Trek is not even limited to the population of Derbyshire, nor the milky way or galaxies, nor human beings, there's a whole lot of possibilites. :-)) Precisely...but it's not the amount of creatures or the different types of beings, it's what they're doing (Ewwww!). In some instances it's violent...someone forcing themselves on someone else, etc. See what I mean? In fairness to ST fan fic, I should also say that most of them are NOT this way--they are perfectly good (in some cases, excellent) adventures about those characters. But there appears to be a market out there for the "less dignified" stuff which I am at a complete loss to understand.

AMY, I was just pondering about that picture you posted, it's good to see it again - and now I know what irritated me a bit: he has unusual strong eyebrows on it - did you help along with a pencil? What about a drink called "Sweet Eyebrows": mix 3 parts very hot chocolate with 1 part white rum, 3 spoons of whipped cream on top, and apply just a trace of mocca powder over it in two light bows. Enjoy on a frosty winter night, and dream sweet dreams.

No, Renate, I didn't add anything except the talk bubble and the light blue bg. I might have increased the contrast a little -- or maybe he was made up or in a dark hair role complete with darker eyebrows. I have fun rubbing my little paintbrush over him, but I wouldn't change a thing about him.

Well, again it's been VEEEEEEERY slow. I had to give up a couple of times. And I thought I had it all sorted out - together with a back door route. It was very fast until about 24 hours ago. No problems last weekend, so what's the matter now? Anyway: NAN: as long as it's with his wife and not the entire population of Derbyshire together What on earth can you mean? Darcy - unfaithful? 8-O ! If you had read those hideous Star Trek fan fics I mentioned, you'd know exactly what I meant. Well, I haven't - maybe I should, as an educational measure ;-)? That way I'd know exactly what to avoid... I don't recall Julia's post being "naughty" so why was it deleted? RENATE: my eye caught his..."thunderous thighs"! My eye caught all sorts of other thunderous things, like that thunderous thrust for example - how is one to match that without dipping into the Star Trek fan fic, I ask you?...:-D

Renate: CAROLYN: Something with a warm, soapy bath.... do I remember right? Yes, but there is also a few further back--Mrs. Gardiners Gift, the Piano Lesson, and the original ending to Summer Picnic

ARAMI: What on earth can you mean? Darcy - unfaithful? 8-O ! Heaven forbid! :-.) If you had read those hideous Star Trek fan fics I mentioned, you'd know exactly what I meant. Well, I haven't - maybe I should, as an educational measure ;-)? That way I'd know exactly what to avoid... I would never insult you by even considering the idea that you might be capable of producing such trash. Yuck! I don't recall Julia's post being "naughty" so why was it deleted? I only read it quickly and frankly, don't even remember what it was about. But I don't recall it being "naughty" in the way you mean. (I noticed you snipped that part of my last comment--bad girl!;-.p ) Anyway, whatever.

Renate, feel free to use THUNDEROUS THIGHS whenever, you like. In fact, if there's anything else that tickles your fancy, by all means go for it! Arami, I never thought about it that way: Mr & Mrs D. as meniacal sex addicts. What on earth have I done? For indeed that's exactly what I've portrayed them as being! But wouldn't you think that my perception on their married life is somewhat true because they had such tremendous passion for each other that they would engage in sex at almost every available opportunity or is that just wishful thinking on my part? IMO, If there's any Jane Austen couple that would have sex so often it would definitely be Li zy and Darcy.

Ahhhhhhhh! Slipping back into drool after almost a week, and splashing about!! Mean old real life is to blame! We had company who had to use the computer/spare room to sleep in--how dare they!! so I haven't been able to drool. But it's good to be back. I had to wipe down the screen two or three times. Thanks, ladies. :-) Kathy

KATHY: Slipping back into drool after almost a week, and splashing about!! Refreshing, isn't it? :-.) Dear lady of the |=|:-.) so glad to see you--any new takers on the those poor forlorn unclaimed keepsakes? Well peoples, I've finally seen the US release date for the video of TEP--September 23. That was somehow earlier than I had expected--and I'm delighted. I shall hover over the shelves at Tower Records, waiting to pounce on the first one out of the box. This is only four days after the supposed release of ATA too. I fear I shall be on a Colin rush that whole week, tingling and spinning and behaving in a most juvenile fashion...:-.)

NAN: ...the idea that you might be capable of producing such trash You never know... I wouldn't underestimate me, if I were you...;-) LISA:they had such tremendous passion for each other that they would engage in sex at almost every available opportunity... If there's any Jane Austen couple that would have sex so often it would definitely be Lizy and Darcy. LOL! I think we are each entitled to our views and yours are natural, healthy and very enjoyable! Wishful thinking also comes into it to a degree, but that's what FICTION is for, after all! BTW, don't be disheartened by your career choice : accountancy should comfortably pay your bills whilst you can write and work at developing a second career at leisure. And now let us have the remainder of the story without further delay!!! Any more such red-hot stories up your sleeve?;-D

ENCYCLOPEDIARAMI: Do you know what became of Robert Lawrence ? Are there any new information of his life after rehabilitation? Colin's performance makes me wonder what the real Robert Lawrence had to say. At Amazon bookstore I found "When the fighting is over: A Personal Story of the Battle for Tumbledown Mountain and its Aftermath" by John Lawrence, Robert Lawrence. With the remark "hard to find". Have you ever seen/read it? For those Colin fans who had not yet the privilege to watch "Tumbledown": Robert Lawrence, injured Falkland soldier, was the character Colin impersonated so well.

Just had the pleasure of 40 seconds of Fever Pitch on German TV. It was - eh - fast and short. Colin running, shouting, escaping the camera lens, and, OH HORROR, his dubbed voice is much worse I ever imagined. Decidedly higher than his natural voice. If they don't show it in Original Version as well I will have to watch it with oropax!

RENATE: I have better information regarding the filming of Tumbledown and the reaction to it, but sadly no current news of Robert Lawrence. I guess he's much the same as he was portrayed at the end of the film. I haven't read the book, either. Also commiserations re the German dubbing of Fever Pitch. You'll have to buy a video.

Arami, I think once the Darcy Diary that will be it for a while. I had thought about a third story called THE EXCHANGE where Darcy and Lizzy exchange their diaries, but I don't know what I could possibly write with that. I don't know maybe I just need some more time to think about it. I have to say that all this sex is not easy to come up with. Trying to come up with new, interesting encounters is quite a task, I don't want to repeat myself over and over again. I think you'll be in for a surprise with part 5.

ARAMI: You never know... I wouldn't underestimate me, if I were you...;-) Oh I hardly think that there is ever a danger of that occurring. ;-.) That's what I get for trying to pay you a compliment! LOL! ;-.p RENATE: If they don't show it in Original Version as well I will have to watch it with oropax! Sorry dearest, "oropax" doesn't translate--do tell... Also, you'd think that they would have figured out that his voice is a crucial element! If ever there was a case in which to use subtitles...this is it. You're right, it is a HORROR!! Aaaaaaagh!;-.)

NAN: Sorry dearest, "oropax" doesn't translate--do tell... "oropax" resp. "Ohropax" is "peace for the Ears" - i.e. something you put into your ears not to be disturbed by sound. But there's always a fair chance that they will also release the Original Version. In approx. 60 hours I will know. ARAMI: Also commiserations re the German dubbing of Fever Pitch. You'll have to buy a video. You can bet on it, dear! The video I'll have to buy, anyway, but I am afraid, it will still be months, ARAMI, have you, by accident - or on purpose :-)) - heard anything about a release date? I have better information regarding the filming of Tumbledown and the reaction to it, YES, PLEASE?! I guess he's much the same as he was portrayed at the end of the film. Well, he was portrayed as GORGEOUS. Can't believe there is someone only half as attractive as Colin. But that's a standard nobody ever can meet, anyway. You see I am completely besotted by his performance. But apart from the film: I hope the real Robert Lawrence is doing fine.

RENATE: Just had the pleasure of 40 seconds of Fever Pitch on German TV. It was - eh - fast and short. Colin running, shouting, escaping the camera lens, and, OH HORROR, his dubbed voice is much worse I ever imagined. Decidedly higher than his natural voice. If they don't show it in Original Version as well I will have to watch it with oropax! Did you watch RTL? I perfectly comprehend your feelings! It was too fast and too short but it looked promising (attractive and energetic). The dubbing is a crucial problem. So far his german voice in P&P is the best. Anyway, it is difficult to decide the case based on 40 seconds; I hope that he doesen't sound as bad as Patrick Stewart in Star Trek. We shall conquer this: a dubbed Colin is better than no Colin at all :-) The color of his hair surprised me a little bit, it looks darker than I had expected. Is this his natural hair color?

Good News! The Firth FAQ reports that the Fever Pitch video will be released on October 27th in Britain; there's also some information about a distributor in Canada.

It was too fast and too short but it looked promising (attractive and energetic). YES! I think I like this energetic (and funny) Colin very much. a dubbed Colin is better than no Colin at all :-) ....we shall have to be philosophers.... The color of his hair surprised me a little bit, it looks darker than I had expected. Exactly my thoughts. But sooo nice. :-)) Less than 48 hours until Fever Pitch!!!

LISA:all this sex is not easy to come up with. Trying to come up with new, interesting encounters is quite a task ...And it's quite exhausting just reading it, too ;-)! NAN: trying to pay you a compliment No, my dear; you're trying to keep a lid on me;-)... SYLVIA:The color of his hair [in FP]... looks darker... Is this his natural hair color? It's definitely darker than his natural colour. RENATE:information re. filming of Tumbledown YES, PLEASE The screenplay was based on Lt. Lawrence's own story. The first choice to play him was Kenneth Branagh - Lawrence was not happy because he considered Branagh too "common". When Colin took the role, Lawrence was reported "delighted": Colin, fresh from The Lost Empires and A Month in the Country seemed an ideal choice as a dashing young officer with "class". Ironically, in private life, Colin has a rather unimpressive record of education, whilst Branagh is a real public (i.e. meaning private, in Britain) s hool boy! Of the original screenplay, 20 per cent was cut from the final version. The finished product caused protests from the army, the Scots Guards (Lawrence's regiment) and some politicians. Lawrence was described as biased and Ramboesque. The film was never released in the cinemas, as originally intended. However, it managed to earn the 1988 Prix Italia for TV drama, Best Drama and Best Actor from the Royal TV Society, Best Drama from the Broadcasting Press Guild and BAFTA (plus best actor nomination . Colin said that he had been haunted by nightmares for three years after working on the film, and is quoted as saying: "I was worried about my sanity... It messed my head up a bit... Is acting worth it?..." A photo of him and Lawrence together shows the latter a pleasant man, but not as handsome as his film image... Enough, madam?

PARANOIARAMI: No, my dear; you're trying to keep a lid on me;-)... Now you're underestimating me :-.p Which, somehow, doesn't surprise me in the least...;-.)

NAN, oh,Nan...Now you're underestimating me No, I'm just teasing you! I do so much appreciate your compliments and goodwill, believe me... (oh, ye gods, is it going to be another one of those thilly mithunderthandings? I'd better shut up, then...:-))

ARAMI: No, I'm just teasing you! Oh I know that, and I was teasing you right back! Obviously, we both suck at it...;-.D But I thought "ParanoiArami" was particularly inspired, if I do say so myself ;-.p I do so much appreciate your compliments and goodwill, believe me... Good, because the compliment was sincere. I've read your stories at the RoP fan fic and I know you are capable, that's all I meant. Actually, I think you really do need to check out that ST fan fic site (I'll have to find the URL) and you'll immediately understand why I said you weren't "capable of producing that trash." oh, ye gods, is it going to be another one of those thilly mithunderthandings? Nope, no misunderstanding here m'dear--but I see you've also developed that nasty speech impediment!;-.) It follows us wherever we go...

NAN: speech impediment!;-.) I know you refer to the th, but I would like to thingle out the Spring-Software-Tom-Birkin-Memorial-Stutter-Bug as something quite human. ;-)) ut I thought "ParanoiArami" was particularly inspired, if I do say so myself ;-.p It was. :-)) ARAMI: a dashing young officer with "class" Though I can imagine Kenneth Branagh very well in that role I am happy Colin got it. Don't need to explain, do I? Of the original screenplay, 20 per cent was cut from the final version. aside: (Just like his brain, har har har har!) That may count for why I still have not yet got the complete story. I have some serious language problems here, and the storyline structure is rather complicated. However, it managed to earn the 1988 Prix Italia Ecco! Ha! Enough, madam? Not really, as you know very well, but I will have to be content for now. I know you appreciate Tumbledown very much, I'd like to hear your opinion on the film, now that I have watched it myself. Do you have favourite scenes?

What do others think about the article about Colin in this month's Vogue where it describes his looks as "angelic?" The writer thinks that Colin is better off now that's he older, because when he was younger, he was just too angelic-looking to be believable in films like "Valmont." I'd have to agree. I think Colin was certainly good-looking enough to play Valmont but he didn't seem evil enough. Anyway I love the word "angelic" to describe his looks.

RENATE: (Just like his brain, har har har har!) Evil, wicked, naughty--and still I'm ROTFLMAO! :-.D PIMP, Renate just PIMP!!;-.) PAULA: The writer thinks that Colin is better off now that's he older, because when he was younger I much prefer the older Colin than the little boy in Another Country. He is definitely improving with age. he was just too angelic-looking to be believable in films like "Valmont." I don't really agree with that one though. I thought his "Valmont" was quite believable, if a little prettier than required. (But who am I to complain about that?;-.p) The screenplay was going in a different direction from Dangerous Liaisons. Malkovich not only looked more evil, but the script was far darker than "Valmont". Anyway I love the word "angelic" to describe his looks. Oooh, I like that too. But while his face is angelic, his eyes are the very picture of devilish mirth ;-.)

Oooops! Don't laugh! Before you say anything: yes, the decision whether he looks more adorable as the angelic youth or the mature man was too much for me. I passed out, accidently hitting the response button before my fingers slipped over the edge of the table......

NAN: I much prefer the older Colin than the little boy in Another Country. He is definitely improving with age. So do I, Nan - I like the "little boy", but I looove the mature man. Not to sound like a broken record, but I think he's aging really well. Oooh, I like that too. But while his face is angelic, his eyes are the very picture of devilish mirth ;-.) Yeah, you know how I'd love to get in trouble with him...I'm glad he's not so angelic looking anymore. ;-) RENATE: Oooops! Don't laugh! Before you say anything: yes, the decision whether he looks more adorable as the angelic youth or the mature man was too much for me. I passed out, accidently hitting the response button before my fingers slipped over the edge of the table...... LOL! Completely understandable, Renate, what a delicious debate! I'm sorry to be leaving as things are getting very interesting, but tomorrow we're heading up to Monterey (CA) for a long weekend away. I'll be back and ready to drool with you on Monday!

NAN: I've read your stories at the RoP fan fic and I know you are capable Oh, I get it: you're a fan... Thanks. I AM capable, even if I say so myself (echoes of "I don't have to try - I AM clever...") Trouble is - I'm also lazy and disorganized. I'll try to produce something, but I can't say when. Might not be so soon. check out that ST fan fic site and you'll immediately understand why I said you weren't "capable of producing that trash." You really think I'm not capable of producing whatever trash I might fancy? (All right: another elegant compliment, I grant you. Thanks, but try not to overdo it...;-)) RENATE: the 1988 Prix Italia - Ecco! Ha! Yes, I believe that also explains the firth L'Uomo cover Enough, madam? Not really I also remember that Lawrence's girlfriend was very incensed about the way she was portrayed. She insisted she had tried to help him but he was a changed man: he maintained it was she who had changed... all rather sad, really. your opinion on the film, now that I have watched it myself In a nutshell: a powerful, controversial, shocking anti-war piece. Do you have favourite scenes? Not really: watching the film gives me a cold, numbing feeling. I wouldn't want to return to it, if not for Colin - his performance is a masterpiece, he sort of cascades through it, tumbles relentlessly from top to bottom, so to speak. He said it had exhausted him mentally, but he'd love to play another role like that. the decision whether he looks more adorable as the angelic youth or the mature man was too much for me. I passed out... LOL! How very true, except I never faint. I've watched Dutch Girls again recently and , you know, oh, those eyes are just wonderful. He was beautiful when he was younger and he's exquisitely handsome as he's growing older. BTW, it's his 37th birthday next week, I hope everyone has sent him a card!

ARAMI: Trouble is - I'm also lazy and disorganized. I'll try to produce something, but I can't say when. Might not be so soon. As I said before, no pressure...whenever the mood strikes you dear. :-.) You really think I'm not capable of producing whatever trash I might fancy? Oh, no! I didn't say THAT! ;-.) The difference is that if you were to produce such trash, you'd do it on purpose. You'd know it was trash, which I don't think is the case with those ST fan fics...that's the scary part. :-.)

HURRAH! Only 2 hours anymore until Fever Pitch!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ARAMI: In a nutshell: Who wants nutshells when it comes to Colin? Give us coconuts, nay, water-melons, huge and juicy... :-)) watching the film gives me a cold, numbing feeling. I wouldn't want to return to it, if not for Colin - his performance is a masterpiece, I have watched it now several times, and as it is when you know a film very well you start to see isolated scenes instead of the whole. So it has lost a lot of the gruesomeness in favour of my appreciation for Colin's - and other actor's - performance. F.e. I like to see "Lady Catherine" (Barbara Leigh-Hunt as his mother) in this sympathetic role, and I think Paul Rhys' performance was very good, and he has a VERY good voice. but he'd love to play another role like that. Wish he'll get some offers for stuff he can bite his teeth into.... I'd love to see him as a really evil and nasty character... such as Amon Goeth in Schindlers List, f.e.. I never faint. I only faint for Colin. Exclusively. He was beautiful when he was younger and he's exquisitely handsome as he's growing older. ...... where's my smelling salt!!? BTW, it's his 37th birthday next week, I hope everyone has sent him a card! Eeeek! Not yet!

...some hours later.... "I HAVE SEEN IT! FEVER PITCH!, AND I LOVE IT, AND COLIN IS GORGEOUS!"

RENATE: "I HAVE SEEN IT! FEVER PITCH!, AND I LOVE IT, AND COLIN IS GORGEOUS!" No fair!! ;-.p So? Tell me more--I'm living vicariously through you at this moment. Details, we want details! ;-.)

NAN:whenever the mood strikes you It's not the mood, it's the time I need. RENATE:I'd love to see him as a really evil and nasty character That's precisely why I had unreasonably high hopes watching the first half of Playmaker - he had some brilliant moments there IMO. AND NOW TALK TO THE FIRTHSTARVED WORLD ABOUT FEVER PITCH!

You are completely right, I must share my pleasure with someone. As soon as I found time I sat down and wrote down my first impressions of Fever Pitch. It is a funny, intelligent, screwball comedy-romance. Colin - don't know exactly what I expected, but - - - I was stunned how gorgeous he looks, in a very unobtrusive way as the 'unmade bed', different again from any other of his roles I have seen. It was only a few minutes into the film that I caught myself contemplating if I should buy TWO tapes as soon as it comes out on video - anticipating that I would probably wear out the first one over the weekend. It will be a serious challenge for the "rewind" and "freeze-frame" function on your remote control. To see him on a large screen (for me the only time before was TEP) was a new and pleasant experience. His physical presence just renders (voc?) much better, if you get my meaning ...he's tall, he's energetic, he's badly shaved, has no haircut to speak of, but it's dark, and his eyebrows are too, and all those baggy shirts and trousers look so good on him - .... I'm afraid I've caught the Ashworth-fever. And what do you mean, Colin: "Your thighs don't have the same impact in boxer-shorts?" The camera just oes not leave time enough to allow a permanent impression... Colin's dubbed German voice was not so bad after all, didn't spoil the fun. And it is really strange to see Mr Knightley and Mr Darcy arm in arm together in the mad hooligan crowd or about to fall of the sofa and ROTF. As I said before, he looks different again, but I will try a description: Paul is visually and temperamentwise somewhere between Mr Darcy and Stephen Walby with much of the lighter note of Richard Courtois. He is a very gentle man, not too good to express his emotions verbally, but with the best intentions. He would be the perfect man of the nineties if it were not for his soccer-mania. Sarah and Paul have a lot in common with Elisabeth and Darcy. They are antagonistic. And they both have a long way to go to meet. Ruth Gemmell has a lot of good lines, is very sympathetic as Sarah, and easy to identify with. Particularly when they are snogging. Highly recommended. Because I liked the music in the film, I bought the soundtrack CD - the music is, honestly, rather underwhelming, but there are several passages of Colin speaking. Great.

Heeeelllllllooooooo! Heeeelllllllllllllllllooooohooo! Anybody there????????

RENATE: I'm heeeeeereeeee!!! ;-.D

Well, I have to leave in some minutes, to watch Fever Pitch again. It's the third time. No, I have never denied I'm addicted. But then this is a kind of addiction that does not damage the health, at least. :-))

Lucky Renate! Is your perception changing with every new viewing? Are there any new impressions you'd wish to share? Or is it just sweet indulgence, pure and simple?...

ARAMI: It's not the mood, it's the time I need. I am in touch with that emotion...:-.) RENATE: It is a funny, intelligent, screwball comedy-romance. Screwball? Really, that's not what I expected either. I was stunned how gorgeous he looks, in a very unobtrusive way as the 'unmade bed', That jealousy thing of mine is starting again... It will be a serious challenge for the "rewind" and "freeze-frame" function on your remote control. THAT much droolworthiness exists? (angrily stomping my foot) has no haircut to speak of, but it's dark, and his eyebrows are too LOL! The eyebrows again...:-.) And what do you mean, Colin: "Your thighs don't have the same impact in boxer-shorts?" The camera just does not leave time enough to allow a permanent impression... Well, when you get that tape home and do the "freeze frame" thing, you can tell us about that. But I tend to agree with you, his thighs look fine, whatever he's wearing. Colin's dubbed German voice was not so bad after all, didn't spoil the fun. That's because your ears weren't working from all the blood rushing to your head! ;-.p If you liked it this much with someone else's voice, can you imagine how you'd feel if you could hear his glorious voice as well? *sigh* He is a very gentle man, not too good to express his emotions verbally, but with the best intentions. He would be the perfect man of the nineties if it were not for his soccer-mania. Actually the sports addiction is probably what makes him most like any guy I know. Then again, it is a common affliction in America--NY in particular. Particularly when they are snogging. I'll bet! ;-.D But is it really "snogging" or the usual film kissing thing. The meaning of the word "snogging" as it was related to me is a really deep, tonsil-touching kind of thing (Is that right Arami?) and too frequently I find movie kisses unsatisfying. I think that's why I liked "Bull Durham" so much--no pretty, fake, trick-the-viewer kind of kissing in that film! See, now that I know you liked it I'm even more jealous. Since our tastes in films tend to be similar, I know I'd like it now. Okay--who can I bribe to get it released in the US? :-.)

Nan, why do you seem to think I'm an expert on snogging :-)? Oh, all right, then. I've double-checked my sources (no, I didn't go snogging, I just looked it up) and it appears it simply means kissing and cuddling. Nothing about licking each other's tonsils, I'm afraid. As for film kissing/snogging, i can't remember ever having seen a real kiss on screen (I must have seen one or two, I just can't remember it) and especially not performed by Colin. Even when Darcy kisses Lizzy at the end of P&P, it's not " eal". And there are now trailers and various publicity shots from A Thousand Acres showing Colin kissing Jessica Lange - and again, you can see the detailed mechanics of a classic film snog: he invariably goes for her upper lip and she sucks on his lower one. Colin does it expertly (Ruth Gemmell had some praise for him on that count), but to a seasoned filmgoer it still shows. And now tell me the truth - WHERE IS EVERYBODY??? (Except for you and Renate, that is.)

ARAMI: #Are there any new impressions you'd wish to share? Or is it just sweet indulgence, pure and simple?... It's indulgence, sweet, yes, simple, yes, pure, no. :-)=)... Again: in none of his films I have seen he seemed so tall and 'physical' to me. And very 'real'. Arami, what was your impression then? How did you like him as Paul? Ah, and Arami, some time ago I said that he is bow-legged. I have to apologize. He is not. He just walks as if he were. I got this impression from how he walked from the parsonage back to Rosings, and he 'looked' really bow-legged. Meanwhile I have seen him in several other films, and particularly FP removed my doubts in this respect. His legs are fine, and I think he looks very good in his Arsenal boxer shorts. And by now I know what you mean with 'long strides' and gushing over his walk. Got it. :-)) This third time I went with two friends. They did not like the movie. The one hates soccer anyway (why did she come along at all?), and the other one said all was too predictable. To be honest, I have no idea how I would like the film if it were without Colin, but I am still amused by the story at the third time. NAN: #Screwball? Really, that's not what I expected either. Well, probably I got carried away a bit. It has elements of it, the witty dialogues, but I suppose it's not fast enough, if I get it right what a screwball comedy is. Let's call it a "fussball-comedy". (Fussball = 'soccer' in German) ## It will be a serious challenge for the "rewind" and "freeze-frame" function on your remote control. # THAT much droolworthiness exists? (angrily stomping my foot) (Don't hurt yourself, dear) Yes, but it has also to do with the brevity (alas!) of the love scenes. But there's a lot of close-ups and head-to-toe frames, droolworthy enough. # Actually the sports addiction is probably what makes him most like any guy I know. ...but he does not scratch his head nor his - eh - head. Not even if he has to recite Byron. #But is it really "snogging" or the usual film kissing thing. The meaning of the word "snogging" as it was related to me is a really deep, tonsil-touching kind of thing In this sense it is no snogging, I'm afraid. Understated. It's rather tender-passionate, at least what we get to see - what is not much. We have to use our imagination. And somehow I like that. Many film kisses I find not only unsatisfying (see below, :-) ) but rather embarassing, and seldom good to look at. I just wonder, did we ever see him doing that tonsill-thing? I cannot remember right now. # and too frequently I find movie kisses unsatisfying. They are, particularly as one is usually not one of the two persons actively involved. :-.))

Hi Ladies, I am always here (except last week when I was in Wash.D.C.) but I must say this new format is somewhat confusing to a newbie such as I. I can't comment on Fever Pitch except to say that WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET TO SEE IT IN THE U.S.??? I have been seeing some adds for Thousand Acres and there should be some interviews. I think Michelle P. is going to be on Rosie next week,don't know which day, and I am sure she is there to talk about the film. As for snogging, a term which I had never heard before recently, I thought it meant alot more than kissing. Anyway, Colin does a pretty convincing job of kissing and so much more in the Advocate. I wish he had shown more of that passion for Lizzy in P&P! Sorry to go on but I also wanted to say that after I read Colin's interview in Vogue, I thought it was neat that he said that he was more like Darcy than he had imagined. That Darcy stayed with him long after it was over. Still here, Chey

Arami, Renata--rosie's here! Have been for a while. Enjoying your posts quite a bit, wishing I had something as interesting to contribute. Memories I may have had to offer about the last thing I saw--previews of 1000 Acres--have totally vanished. Overall good impression left, however.

ARAMI: Nan, why do you seem to think I'm an expert on snogging :-)? LOL! I asked you because you're actually here (unlike others!) and I remember you once mentioning that you were in England. But come to think of it, I expect that all us heavy droolers have done enough "snogging" (the tonsil kind) to be able to recognize a good one when we see it :-.D I've double-checked my sources (no, I didn't go snogging, I just looked it up) Bummer! First hand experience is always so much more fun :-.) and it appears it simply means kissing and cuddling. Nothing about licking each other's tonsils, I'm afraid. That's it--my friend Victoria is getting a call from me! Now I wonder if all those other British words she translated were accurate as well. As for film kissing/snogging, i can't remember ever having seen a real kiss on screen (I must have seen one or two, I just can't remember it) I'm tellin' ya, Bull Durham--bathtub scene...trust me. and especially not performed by Colin. Even when Darcy kisses Lizzy at the end of P&P, it's not "real". Yes, I've looked for that too. Never been able to find one either, not even Femme Fatale. And there are now trailers and various publicity shots from A Thousand Acres showing Colin kissing Jessica Lange - and again, you can see the detailed mechanics of a classic film snog: he invariably goes for her upper lip and she sucks on his lower one. I hate that! Really ruins a sexy mood. Colin does it expertly (Ruth Gemmell had some praise for him on that count), but to a seasoned filmgoer it still shows. Or to anyone who is as desperate as I am to see him slurp. :-.D And now tell me the truth - WHERE IS EVERYBODY??? (Except for you and Renate, that is.) Dunno. I think more people read than post. So what do we have to do to get a crowd in here anyway?

RENATE: Ah, and Arami, some time ago I said that he is bow-legged. I thought he was too. To be honest, I have no idea how I would like the film if it were without Colin, but I am still amused by the story at the third time. I assume these friends are not Colin fans? I think they need a heavy dose of P&P2 and then you can take them back to FP. I'd be interested to know their impressions then. :-.) if I get it right what a screwball comedy is. Yep, you got it right. When you said screwball I had visions of Laurel and Hardy! :-.D ##THAT much droolworthiness exists? (angrily stomping my foot) #(Don't hurt yourself, dear) Oh but I WANT to see it too! :-.D Don't worry, you'll stomp your foot too, after September 19th. :-.) Yes, but it has also to do with the brevity (alas!) of the love scenes. But there's a lot of close-ups and head-to-toe frames, droolworthy enough. I'll take what I can get. ## Actually the sports addiction is probably what makes him most like any guy I know. #...but he does not scratch his head nor his - eh - head. Not even if he has to recite Byron. LOL! That's good--shows he doesn't have to think too hard. :-.) In this sense it is no snogging, I'm afraid. Understated. It's rather tender-passionate, at least what we get to see - what is not much. *SIGH* Many film kisses I find not only unsatisfying (see below, :-) ) but rather embarassing, and seldom good to look at. I just wonder, did we ever see him doing that tonsill-thing? I cannot remember right now. See my post to Arami above. CHEY: I can't comment on Fever Pitch except to say that WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET TO SEE IT IN THE U.S.??? AMEN! I have been seeing some adds for Thousand Acres I saw them too--only very vague snippets of Colin in the trailers. Very upsetting--though I'm not surprised since he is not very famous here. and there should be some interviews. I think Michelle P. is going to be on Rosie next week,don't know which day, and I am sure she is there to talk about the film. MP is on Rosie O'Donnell on Thursday--let's hope she brings a good clip. Also, I wouldn't put it past Rosie to have Colin on either--she had Jennifer Ehle on a while ago (I don't remember what for) and she's not any more popular than is Colin here. And this is a major release... after I read Colin's interview in Vogue, I thought it was neat that he said that he was more like Darcy than he had imagined. That Darcy stayed with him long after it was over. Did he say that? I haven't read it yet--some fan I am :-.O I'll pick it up tomorrow. ROSIE: Enjoying your posts quite a bit, wishing I had something as interesting to contribute. My dear, any mention of Colin is interesting to us. Please stay, take your shoes off, tell us your favorite Colin...feature :-.p Memories I may have had to offer about the last thing I saw--previews of 1000 Acres--have totally vanished. Overall good impression left, however. Ah, thanks for reminding me. I forgot to mention above that, although it was brief, he is quite alarmingly handsome...very clean. ;-.D

ROSIE, CHEY, everyone - hi! welcome back! Please do feel free to chip in anytime, this is a drool conference, remember? We need mass participation...:-) NAN, I have gone even further with my research on snogging. I've asked my English husband (yes, I forgot I had an expert at home...). In Jane Austen's words, "he absolutely startled..." and then he confirmed (verbally) that the word "snogging" does not convey any indication of intensity. It's just a slang word meaning kissing, so you have to use adjectives like "heavy" or "serious" etc. to describe tonsil licking. Bull Durham? Bathtub scene? Sounds intriguing... Checked my sources again, it's described as an o d-ball movie, but I suppose it's that one scene that really matters, huh? RENATE, I'm so glad to see you've converted. Colin is NOT bow-legged, he is merely loose-jointed and flops about when walking. Kinda bends his knees outwards. Quite sweet, really... I loved him as Paul Ashworth, I like chaps like that, chummy, unmade bed, bed and all... The evidence is that real life Colin is very much like that himself and I can easily relate to that image. I'd gladly drink beer and watched soccer matches with him (I did with my hubby before we got married...) As for the film itself (Fever Pitch), it was OK, quite amusing but a little too simple for my taste: I thought it would have benefitted from an additional subplot, like for example, some of the schoolgirls trying to flirt with Paul, causing him some embarrassment, etc. I just couldn't believe that such a sexy teacher would be left unmolested in a school full of teenage girls! Alarmingly handsome - yes, I like it.

CHEY: ....... I must say this new format is somewhat confusing to a newbie such as I. I guess this is new to the most of us, and I feel myself not at all confident with it. But I think practice will make us true proficients. :-)) I can't comment on Fever Pitch except to say that WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET TO SEE IT IN THE U.S.??? The video in PAL will come out end of Oct. - then it cannot be long until the NTSC version comes out, too? Or there must be a way to get it translated to NTSC? Anyway, Colin does a pretty convincing job of kissing and so much more in the Advocate. You remind me, it's quite a while since I lent it last.... think I have to refresh my memory. ROSIE: .... wishing I had something as interesting to contribute. Well, it does not happen every day that a new Colin-film comes to town - but all of us love to hear the good old reasons why we like him again and again.... :-)) NAN: .... Nothing about licking each other's tonsils, I'm afraid. ...... That's it--my friend Victoria is getting a call from me! . The term 'Victorian' does not apply to your friend, apparently, or does it? :-)) But talking about tongue-related matters: we get to see his tongue in "Out of the Blue". Nice shot. :-)) ... screwball comedy ... Love the old Mitchell Leisen films like "Hands across the Table" etc., but I am too tired now to remember the others. ...he is quite alarmingly handsome... Love these casual expressions.... but hey! The following line gets a completely new meaning: "Don't be alarmed, Madam!" :-.)=) ARAMI: Even when Darcy kisses Lizzy at the end of P&P, it's not "real". BTW, I think it must have been a darn difficult shot - with the vehicle shaking it must have been difficult enough for CF and JE to hit the target - and then make it look good and convincing, is hard work, I suppose. :-)) That's probably why they slowed it down in the end. And there are now trailers and various publicity shots from A Thousand Acres showing Colin kissing Jessica Lange - and again, you can see the detailed mechanics of a classic film snog: he invariably goes for her upper lip and she sucks on his lower one. I have very little illusions about the mechanic side of film making - but this is absolutely the most sobering description I have ever heard. Ugh. BTW, if I remember right, we witness a rather realistic passionate kiss with Harrison Ford and Kelly McGillis in - Witness. And, come to think of it, he did it in Blade Runner, too. Who would have thought it of good old a-bit-stiff Mr Forth - oops - Ford. (This was a genuine 'Sigmund'!)

ARAMI: Bull Durham? Bathtub scene? Sounds intriguing... Checked my sources again, it's described as an odd-ball movie, but I suppose it's that one scene that really matters, huh? A BASEball movie, dear, a baseball movie. :-)) And it is excellent indeed, and it helps also if you like Kevin Costner, Susan Sarandon, and Tim Robbins. RENATE, I'm so glad to see you've converted. . Me, too! Quite sweet, really... I loved him as Paul Ashworth Me, too! (beam!) As for the film itself (Fever Pitch), it was OK, quite amusing but a little too simple for my taste: I thought it would have benefitted from an additional subplot, . The character played by Mark Strong might have benefited from a bit "more meat on his bones". There's no history to speak of. I just couldn't believe that such a sexy teacher would be left unmolested in a school full of teenage girls! Now you mention it - that's how it was at school.... but I think originally it was not written as such a sexy part . I'm afraid we owe that mostly to Colin, quel surprise....:-)) GAIL from Australia, if you are listening: please contact me, your email doesn't work.

Back from my hols, having failed miserably to lock trolleys with anyone even remotely resembling Colin. Obviously I am not destined to have a Brief Encounter at Heathrow Airport! Oh well.. So much to catch up on and so here goes with a few random thoughts. Was hoping for news of What Is He Doing Now (I mean, I have been away for over a week!). Really hope he opts for projects and material which match his unique and considerable talent and doesn't sell himself short. I'm off to my usual serious start... okay, change of tone, KISSING/SNOGGING. I love the way Colin kisses on screen - gently and with great tenderness, almost caressing. But not real - as Arami says, the mechanics are always the same. Except perhaps for the mine scene in Nostromo, although that again is good professional acting. But I don't think I'd want to see him do it for real - Colin's approach (with something left to the imagination) is much more erotic. He's made some interesting comments on sex scenes "I don't like sex scenes, infact I hate them. There's nothing worse than watching bums going up and down on screen. It's unnecessary and awful for the audience to watch." Colin has a very cute derriere, but I agree with him! I think that the positions he prefers to adopt are much more aesthetically pleasing! He's also said that the worst part of his job are the sex scenes "because I enjoy sex too much to pretend to do it for a living"!!!! Oh well, enough of kissing, snogging and sex - how about singing? I noticed in my quick Colin-y skims that one of the entries on the FOF Birthday Card greetings was from someone (Kirsten?) who had worked as an extra on ATA (nice work if you can get it:-)) who says that it was a thrill meeting Colin on his birthday last year on the ATA set. "Thanks for singing with us - it was memorable and fun". Mmmm.. lucky lady,I'd like to sing along with him too! I'd like to hear him sing - properly, not just a hum or few bars. BTW I can see why some of us may prefer to read rather than post here. I hadn't realised how much there can be to absorb if you haven't logged in for a few days and it can be difficult to work out where to respond, particularly in this format, without the subject threads. Keep us informed about ATA, pl-e-e-ase! Especially if he gives a television interview.(But if he's not attending the Premiere in LA, he can't be in the States, ERGO he must be working somewhere, but where and on what? The elusive Mr Firth! But that is one (of the many) reasons why I like him, so I guess I must contain my very considerable curiosity. :-) Nice to be back!

Me:the detailed mechanics of a classic film snog: he invariably goes for her upper lip and she sucks on his lower one. Renate:I have very little illusions about the mechanic side of film making - but this is absolutely the most sobering description I have ever heard. Ugh. I have no illusions whatsoever: I am a frustrated film maker...

BETHAN: Colin has a very cute derriere, but I agree with him! I think that the positions he prefers to adopt are much more aesthetically pleasing! He's also said that the worst part of his job are the sex scenes "because I enjoy sex too much to pretend to do it for a living"!!!! Welcome back, Bethan, and you're off to a great start! I have to agree with you here and love the quote - it got me all tingly. And you can never say too much about kissing, snogging, and sex when it relates to Colin! ;-) I love the way Colin kisses on screen... Yes! He's very tender and gentle...seemingly a very considerate lover - that is so sexy. But then (I have to bring it up, Nan, sorry), I also like the Colin in Playmaker that cuts up women's dresses and assaults them in showers! He was so, so naughty in that stinky movie! But if he's not attending the Premiere in LA Wait a minute, does this mean the premiere is in LA??? Oh my, I think I'll have to take a little trip up there sometime soon... And Renate, you're killing me over here with talk of Fever Pitch - but, please go on! What was it about his thighs in the movie?? He must be wearing those little shorts soccer players wear??

ARAMI: I've asked my English husband (yes, I forgot I had an expert at home...). In Jane Austen's words, "he absolutely startled..." Oh dear, what must he think of us? Did he ask why you were corresponding with a misinformed American pervert? ;-.) LOL! Hope he's got a good sense of humor... It's just a slang word meaning kissing, so you have to use adjectives like "heavy" or "serious" etc. to describe tonsil licking. I like the word "wicked" myself, as in "Colin and I were doin' some wicked snogging!"...oh yeah, living in a rich fantasy world I am...:-.) Bull Durham? Bathtub scene? Sounds intriguing... Checked my sources again, it's described as an odd-ball movie, but I suppose it's that one scene that really matters, huh? Well, it is a little quirky but it has a great, easy going feel to it...a really enjoyable way to spend a couple of hours--especially the last 20 minutes or so. YUM!! I don't know how you feel about Kevin Costner but if you don't like him now, you'll like him after that film. :-.) I can easily relate to that image. I'd gladly drink beer and watched soccer matches with him Me too, though I prefer hockey. During the season here you'll find me sitting in my local bar, drinking a Bass and staring at the tv--it's very Cheers :-) Unfortunately, the other regulars there (all male) look nothing like Colin and worse, have not one tenth of his charm. Pity. RENATE: The video (Fever Pitch) in PAL will come out end of Oct. - then it cannot be long until the NTSC version comes out, too? Or there must be a way to get it translated to NTSC? I don't know--the NTSC version will probably not here for several months. But if I can bribe one of the video places to convert a PAL copy then I will. The problem with that is most of them won't convert a copyrighted film. The term 'Victorian' does not apply to your friend, apparently, or does it? :-)) The term 'Victorian' doesn't apply to any of my friends--that's why they're my friends!;-.D But her accent is so incredibly, perfectly proper that even when she uses the most vulgar language under the sun, it still sounds like a compliment--it's a riot! ;-.) But talking about tongue-related matters: we get to see his tongue in "Out of the Blue". Nice shot. :-)) Huh? What's that? Did I hear "his tongue"? :-.) ...he is quite alarmingly handsome... Love these casual expressions.... but hey! The following line gets a completely new meaning: "Don't be alarmed, Madam!" :-.)=) Quite true! Glad both you and Arami agree that "alarmingly handsome" is not an exaggeration in his case. :-) BETHAN: Welcome back! He's made some interesting comments on sex scenes "I don't like sex scenes, infact I hate them. There's nothing worse than watching bums going up and down on screen. Well, I don't know...an occasional "bum" going up and down works for me...if it's done well enough that is :-.p I think that the positions he prefers to adopt are much more aesthetically pleasing! Maybe, but have to say, I'm tired of seeing that position: "been there, done that" would rather see some other angles now. :-.) He's also said that the worst part of his job are the sex scenes "because I enjoy sex too much to pretend to do it for a living"!!!! Though I appreciate them, I can imagine that it must be somewhat humiliating and uncomfortable. Glad to know he actually likes the real thing though...not that I had any doubt mind you! ;-.) it can be difficult to work out where to respond, particularly in this format, without the subject threads. I think the solution to that is to respond very often, wouldn't you say girls? Keep us informed about ATA, pl-e-e-ase! Of course m'dear--I shall sit myself down at the computer the moment I get home from the theatre. It's so much fun to have someone to share these things with...my "real world" friends don't get it at all...not even a little... MARILYN: And you can never say too much about kissing, snogging, and sex when it relates to Colin! ;-) I second that! ;-.) (I have to bring it up, Nan, sorry), I also like the Colin in Playmaker that cuts up women's dresses and assaults them in showers! He was so, so naughty in that stinky movie! LOL! I'm perfectly willing to discuss Playmaker, though I think the poor man had a rough time of it. As others have pointed out in the past, there are quite a few good Colin moments...if you can get past the schtinkiness of the film that is.

Nan and all, I endorse all that wholeheartedly! And now I'm signing off for a few days (a long weekend in France with my very English hubby, you see: BTW, yes, fortunately he appears to have a great sense of humour. He laughs strangely and clenches his fists every time he sees one of my numerous Colin pin-ups around the house...) So keep drooling, I want to see a lovely big puddle when I'm back. Ta-ta!

KISSING AND SNOGGING AND OTHER GOOD THINGS okay, change of tone, KISSING/SNOGGING. I love the way Colin kisses on screen - gently and with great tenderness, almost caressing. .......But I don't think I'd want to see him do it for real - Colin's approach (with something left to the imagination) is much more erotic. Fever Pitch is a very good example for this - and BTW you don't see him "go for the upper lip" - the actual snogging is 'invisible', you get to see more of Colin's curls and RG's arms. A very tactful camera. But suggestive. He's made some interesting comments on sex scenes "I don't like sex scenes, infact I hate them. There's nothing worse than watching bums going up and down on screen. It's unnecessary and awful for the audience to watch." I agree wholeheartedly. Usually I prefer suggested sex over explicit sex (in films, that is). :-.) A THESIS: It is my belief, that the sexiness of his roles is reciprocal to the amount of clothes he wears....i.e. - the more he wears the more desirable he his.... Do you want proof? I can prove it, but I would like you, dear CoLoonies, either to confirm or contradict my thesis. MEN'S WEAR And Renate, you're killing me over here with talk of Fever Pitch - but, please go on! What was it about his thighs in the movie?? He must be wearing those little shorts soccer players wear?? Marilyn, you call what soccer player wear "little" shorts? I would rather suggest the word spacious. In FP he usually walks in jeans, or baggy training dress, but looks TERRIFIC in it (I'm in the Unmade-bed-department). at one time we get to see him in his red Arsenal boxer shorts - not baggy, very nice, and I don't understand what a problem Sarah has with it. ......And here we are again - our favourite obsession - Colin's pants. (pant, pant,,,,) MUTUAL SUPPORT I don't know--the NTSC version will probably not here for several months. So, if you don't get Fever Pitch, and we don't get ATA before long month's we will have to support one another verbally. STILL STRUGGLING WITH NEW FORMAT it can be difficult to work out where to respond, particularly in this format, without the subject threads. I think the solution to that is to respond very often, wouldn't you say girls? We might use a kind of subject line instead or in addition to the names. BTW, I am not so fond of the present use of the names because they suggest an uninviting personal/private conversation.

COLIN's BIRTHDAY Crumbs! Nearly forgot! He's 37 today... Must dash, see ya.

Happy birthday Colin Firth!

Happy Birthday to our object of admiration and drool! My kids screamed when "ET" mentioned his birthday tonight...

Marina: My kids screamed when "ET" mentioned his birthday tonight... Why? Because they are CF fans, too, or because they just realised that their mother's disease probably starts to spread all over the nation? :-))

PANT! PANT! PANT! Marilyn, you call what soccer player wear "little" shorts? I would rather suggest the word spacious. In FP he usually walks in jeans, or baggy training dress, but looks TERRIFIC in it (I'm in the Unmade-bed-department). at one time we get to see him in his red Arsenal boxer shorts - not baggy, very nice, and I don't understand what a problem Sarah has with it. ......And here we are again - our favourite obsession - Colin's pants. (pant, pant,,,,) Renate - you are so right - maybe it was wishful thinking, but I thought soccer players wore short clingy things. Then last night I caught ESPN and saw that they actually wore parachutes for shorts! Since I love the "unmade bed" (my girlfriend calls it the "just had sex Colin") look too, I'm sure I would love him in this movie, but (sniff!), I'll never know...boxer shorts you say?? How about those jeans, Renate, how'd they fit exactly?? A THESIS: It is my belief, that the sexiness of his roles is reciprocal to the amount of clothes he wears....i.e. - the more he wears the more desirable he his.... Do you want proof? I can prove it, but I would like you, dear CoLoonies, either to confirm or contradict my thesis. I think there's quite a lot of merit in your thesis, Renate. I can give you one example - take Darcy (oh please!), you don't even see his neck for the first three episodes, however when you do...oh my, what a payoff! Of all the roles I've seen, he's sexiest as Darcy, with Valmont a distant second - and he's completely clothed! Maybe we need to credit our imaginations? I'm looking forward to seeing more proof! ;-)

A THESIS: (Renate) It is my belief, that the sexiness of his roles is reciprocal to the amount of clothes he wears....i.e. - the more he wears the more desirable he his.... Can't dispute it at all--very impressive oh observant Mirror Keeptress. You're absolutely right! There can be no other explanation for the fact that I find P&P2 completely sexual and The Advocate rather dull. :-) MUTUAL SUPPORT (Renate) So, if you don't get Fever Pitch, and we don't get ATA before long month's we will have to support one another verbally. And using many adjectives (preferrably WET ones). ;-p STILL STRUGGLING WITH NEW FORMAT (Renate) We might use a kind of subject line instead or in addition to the names. BTW, I am not so fond of the present use of the names because they suggest an uninviting personal/private conversation. I'm willing to give it a go. I know what you mean--some people feel that it would be intrusive of them to post because we appear to be having an intimate (LOL) conversation--which is certainly not the case. The more the merrier, I say. I do think we have to come up with something for the people who don't check in every day as we do. It's very hard to follow a conversation if you have no idea who said what. Maybe the incorporation of the names and a subject line (with the name not being so pronounced as be ore) might be the best way. In this post I've put the name of the original poster in parenthesis before their quote--what do you think? Or too much to have to type? PANT! PANT! PANT! (Renate) you call what soccer player wear "little" shorts? (Marilyn) you are so right - maybe it was wishful thinking, but I thought soccer players wore short clingy things. Then last night I caught ESPN and saw that they actually wore parachutes for shorts! LOL! That's just what they look like! I think you were thinking of those shorts they gave us to wear in gym in the 70's--the ones with the white trim. Now THEY were shorts.... (Marilyn) Since I love the "unmade bed" (my girlfriend calls it the "just had sex Colin") I love that line! ;-D She gets 3 snaps from me! (Marilyn) I'm sure I would love him in this movie, but (sniff!), I'll never know Don't despair dear! Renate will talk us through it until we can get our hands on a tape. ;-)

Renate: Unfortunately, my kids do not share my obsession! They have their crushes on other actors, but I just don't get why they do not feel the same way about CF! They screamed because they could not believe that CF was given airtime...GO FIGURE! BTW, did anyone watch/record the Rosie show with Michelle Pfeiffer today? Our power apparently went out so the VCR didn't record the show!!! I couldn't believe it...Did she give us any crumbs about CF before ATA is out next week? Jennifer Jason Leigh will be on Letterman Friday night...here's hoping the power doesn't go out!!!

STILL STRUGGLING WITH NEW FORMAT I'm having a shot at the subject approach suggested by Renate/Nan. I agree that use of names (on their own) could suggest a private conversation, and maybe other people are reluctant to jump in. I really don't know... anyway, here goes. SNOGGING/KISSING Colin described the kiss in P&P2 as "chaste and matrimonial" (he has a nice turn of phrase!)I think that Renate's "tender-passionate" description applies to all Colin's screen kisses - they are good to look at, not embarassing! IS HE BOW-LEGGED? Nope. He's very loose-limbed with an enormous stride, but the legs are fine! PLAYMAKER/SCISSORS SCENE Yes, Marilyn, I like that scene too! Must admit to watching it more than I should and to scutinising that frosted glass VERY carefully! But I'd cringe with embarassment for him if it went out on prime time TV. For private viewing only! OUT OF THE BLUE Arami, the only thing I've read about OOTB (never seen it) is that Colin deprives Catherine Zeta Jones of her virginity. And we also get to see his tongue, do we? Can you enlighten me - the two facts conjure up VERY colourful images :-) BTW, Catherine ZJ, says she informatively, is currently co-starring with Antonio Banderas in "Zorro", so she's moved on! FEVER PITCH FILM AND VIDEO Just got the latest catalogue from Video Plus Direct and saw that (goody, goody) both TEP and FP (late October) are soon available for sale. Still can't understand why FP wasn't shown in the US. I was flicking through the new issue of the New York Time Out (I read it at the news stand, never buy it!) and was surprised at how many British films are being shown in the US at the moment..even obscure badly reviewed movies like Trojan Eddie have opened..WHY NOT FP? Especially when most British films sell on th back of critical acclaim from the US. Oh well, that's life, but LIFE'S NOT FAIR! Nan, Chey, everyone.. I don't know if this is helpful, but in Ellen's FirthFAQ there is a section on where to buy Colin's videos, and there is a reference to Laughinghouse Audio Visual British Video Guide. Phone (714)956-9032. And (I quote) "Ask for Mike Walsh. It is reported that they will make PAL to NTSC conversions without cost". Might be worth trying! ROSIE Please keep us posted on any Colin-y comments. Hope you don't have any more power failures, Marina, and tell your kids that Colin's going to get a lot more airtime (if he wants it, that is (I don't think he does), but that's a whole new discussion area!) I'm exhausted :-)I'm not usually as systematic as this. What do you think?

I saw Michelle on Rosie and sorry to say but she was boring. Rosie asked her what the movie was about and she just said " you tell them". She acted like she was VERY uncomfortable. She never mentioned Colin, or Jess. In fact they mostly talked about their children. She looked very plain with stringy hair, almost like she was ashamed of her beauty and was trying to hide it. At the end, Rosie asked her how she thought the interview went and she said she would give it a "6". I was really dissappointed and I don't think she will get people to go to that movie based on that interview. Also, today on GMA Joel Siegle listed ALL the new fall movies opening soon and did not even mention ATA. Bad sign?? I hope not. I just wish I had a fellow Colin lover to go to see it with. I have never gone to a movie alone. This will be a first! Chey

NEW FORMAT Bethan - I like the bold subject line. Like Nan said, it may make it more inviting for others to join in our silliness...plus I like your subjects! :-) such as... COLIN'S LEGS He's very loose-limbed with an enormous stride, but the legs are fine! Indeed they are, Bethan! ;-) A THOUSAND ACRES I just wish I had a fellow Colin lover to go to see it with. I have never gone to a movie alone. This will be a first! Chey - Where do you live? Anywhere near Southern California?? I've lined up a new Colin recruit to see it with me (9/26?), but I would be going solo if I didn't have her. Nan, why can't you live about 3,000 miles closer??? Is it true TEP will be released during the same week (9/23)??? MARINA I must know who your children prefer over our lovely man?? :-) Actually, I'm with your kids in my surprise that Colin got a mention on ET. Now that ET is showing such good taste, maybe they'll interview him about the movie or go "behind the scenes" with ATA?? HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND EVERYONE!!!

NEW PIC Thank you very much for the new "Pensive Colin" picture! Terry, I suppose? Or Nan? However: so nice of you. PANT! PANT! PANTS! (Marilyn) .....they actually wore parachutes for shorts! LOL! Well observed, and well put. ...boxer shorts you say?? How about those jeans, Renate, how'd they fit exactly?? Sorry if I have to disappoint any expectations. The black jeans are wide, just very comfortable looking. No sneakers but very fine black boots. Good style. I think shoes define a character very much - not only in movies. (Nan) And using many adjectives (preferrably WET ones). ;-p I'm afraid Fever Pitch doesn't contribute much in the WET department. But there is another "seen it before scene": champagne (TEP) - or the Arsenal equivalent - gulped down directly from the bottle . But here for a happy event. ........ because we appear to be having an intimate (LOL) conversation Intimate yes, but not private :-.)) Renate will talk us through it until we can get our hands on a tape. ;-) I would, but I am afraid I will spoil your fun with the film when I tell you too much beforehand. I even have the FP Screenplay, could recite and describe scene by scene, do you really want me to do that? (Marina).. They screamed because they could not believe that CF was given airtime... They better get used to it! (Bethan) FEVER PITCH FILM AND VIDEO Just got the latest catalogue from Video Plus Direct and saw that (goody, goody) both TEP and FP (late October) are soon available for sale. While Paul Ashworth lives from game to game, we live from release to release...what will come after October??? ....I'm not usually as systematic as this. Bethan, it does not show at all! Your thoughts seem always sorted out very nicely and put very well. :-)) (Chey)I saw Michelle on Rosie and sorry to say but she was boring. ........ She looked very plain with stringy hair, almost like she was ashamed of her beauty and was trying to hide it. I remember I read somewhere that she was already completely exhausted before she started ATA, but made it nevertheless because it otherwise would have been too difficult with the other participants time schedules. And then act, produce, probably involved in editing, too, do the promotion tours... Perhaps she is just completely groggy, tired, too exhausted and had nothing more to give. I have never gone to a movie alone. This will be a first! Chey It's not so bad, I think. In fact, I usually prefer to go to movies alone. No one nudges and talks and comments and distracts my concentration (on Colin, f.e.) in the wrong moments. :-)) Two days ago, in Fever Pitch, I had even THE WHOLE THEATRE FOR MYSELF ALONE! That was wun-der-bar!

One week to ATA! I can't wait!

]No sneakers but very fine black boots. Good style. Boots! Did you say Boots?!?! And here you all are! Where's Megs? Sorry I haven't been about, but a new job has kept me too busy to get online. But I thought about Colin on his birthday (37---he's finally gaining on me!) I'll be stopping by (probably infrequently) now that drool is up and running. Perhaps we can start posting pics here like we did in the good old days!

SNOGGING/KISSING (Bethan) Colin described the kiss in P&P2 as "chaste and matrimonial" (he has a nice turn of phrase!) Indeed he does--very diplomatic way of saying "dull" LOL!! :-) PLAYMAKER/SCISSORS SCENE (Bethan) Must admit to watching it more than I should and to scutinising that frosted glass VERY carefully! But I'd cringe with embarassment for him if it went out on prime time TV. For private viewing only! We are in full agreement here. That frosted glass is so frustrating for me! I think that is why I prefer Femme Fatale--they leave the really heavy stuff to the imagination, but at what you do see of him is clear. OUT OF THE BLUE (Bethan) Arami, the only thing I've read about OOTB (never seen it) is that Colin deprives Catherine Zeta Jones of her virginity. And we also get to see his tongue, do we? Can you enlighten me - the two facts conjure up VERY colourful images :-) Okay, whoever knows the dirt on this one has to fess up because I am overcome with curiosity--help the poor Colin-starved American please? ;-p FEVER PITCH FILM AND VIDEO (Bethan) I was flicking through the new issue of the New York Time Out (I read it at the news stand, never buy it!) and was surprised at how many British films are being shown in the US at the moment.. I'm confused about that too. There are quite a few theatres that show nothing but quirky or european films...why not COLIN!!?!?!?!? Tis most vexing! It is reported that they will make PAL to NTSC conversions without cost". Might be worth trying! Oooh, thanks for the info! :-) PFEIFFER ON THE TALK SHOWS (Rosie) She never mentioned Colin, or Jess. In fact they mostly talked about their children. Yeah, I saw that too and it was deadly dull...I also saw her on that new Barbara Walters talk show "The View" and it was about the same. No mention of Colin, not that I'm surprised but I was hoping. :-( NEW FORMAT (Marilyn) Bethan - I like the bold subject line. Like Nan said, it may make it more inviting for others to join in our silliness...plus I like your subjects! :-) Actually, it was Renate's idea...and a good one it was. I just added the part about the names in parenthesis. A THOUSAND ACRES (Chey) I just wish I had a fellow Colin lover to go to see it with. I have never gone to a movie alone. This will be a first! (Marilyn) Where do you live? Anywhere near Southern California?? I've lined up a new Colin recruit to see it with me (9/26?), but I would be going solo if I didn't have her. Nan, why can't you live about 3,000 miles closer??? I know, doesn't that stink. I can't get anyone here to go with me. I guess I could find some of the other New Yorkers at RoP, but truthfully I don't know them very well. Maybe Kate might like to go--she's a hoot. But I don't know how big a Colin fan she is. It would be great to go with all of you guys. Unfortunately, the thing which makes us such an interesting group is the same thing that keeps us apart :-( But that reminds me... SOMETHING SIMILAR TO VIRT VIEWS I've been thinking that perhaps we should borrow the idea from RoP and do something like that here. Frequently, when we discuss Colin movies, we are not all speaking with the same freshness of mind. If we all watched it at about the same time, I feel sure our discussions would be more...er, lively. Whaddya think? TEP (Marilyn) Is it true TEP will be released during the same week (9/23)??? That's what Tower Video told me and they're usually good with that stuff. BTW, have you had a chance to make the trek to the Tower nearest you? ;-) NEW PIC (Renate) Thank you very much for the new "Pensive Colin" picture! Terry, I suppose? Or Nan? However: so nice of you. Most welcome--I thought it was time for a change. And he's sooooo pretty in that one--dontcha think? ;-) (Nan) Renate will talk us through it until we can get our hands on a tape. ;-) (Renate) I would, but I am afraid I will spoil your fun with the film when I tell you too much beforehand. I even have the FP Screenplay, could recite and describe scene by scene, do you really want me to do that? I see what you mean. For myself, I have no problem with knowing everything before I see the movie. I'm notorious for reading the last chapter of a book before the first! But I know that most people don't like to know too much so perhaps you should just stick to general descriptions and an odd scene or two. ATA RELEASE (Susan) One week to ATA! I can't wait! Oh me either! To see something new, even if the movie bites... BOOTS!!! (Margaret) Boots! Did you say Boots?!?! Boot lady!! How good to see you...glad you stopped in. :-) And here you all are! Where's Megs? Not here, I'm afraid--she's still being responsible in the real world...but I have high hopes... I'll be stopping by (probably infrequently) now that drool is up and running. Whenever you get the chance we'd love to see you :-) Perhaps we can start posting pics here like we did in the good old days! Oh please...feel free. Nothing gets a conversation going like a good Colin photo! ;-)

PLAYMAKER/SCISSORS SCENE (Nan) That frosted glass is so frustrating for me! I think that is why I prefer Femme Fatale--they leave the really heavy stuff to the imagination, but at what you do see of him is clear. There are some more reasons to prefer FF over PM: though the story is hard to believe and apparently cannot decide what to be - a psychological drama or a suspense thriller - and fails on both, the PM story is simply crap, and has some scenes of bad taste. SOMETHING SIMILAR TO VIRTVIEWS / FILM DISCUSSION (Nan) I've been thinking that perhaps we should borrow the idea from RoP and do something like that here. Frequently, when we discuss Colin movies, we are not all speaking with the same freshness of mind. If we all watched it at about the same time, I feel sure our discussions would be more...er, lively. Whaddya think? Excellent idea, Nan! Do you think of an extra topic for that? I would suggest not only to limit it to CF films, (even if that must be the main focus...) but to discuss other favourites, too. BTW, Playmaker would be the first film to discuss here for me, because I would like to figure out what it is exactly that makes it such a bad film. OUT OF THE BLUE (Bethan) Arami, the only thing I've read about OOTB (never seen it) is that Colin deprives Catherine Zeta Jones of her virginity. And we also get to see his tongue, do we? Can you enlighten me - the two facts conjure up VERY colourful images :-) (Nan) Okay, whoever knows the dirt on this one has to fess up because I am overcome with curiosity--help the poor Colin-starved American please? ;-p Not much dirt in there, sorry to disappoint, ladies :-.)) Don't remember that virginity or loss of was an issue - but betrayal of trust. Colin's character, which name I just don't remember, is a director of video clips, who wears suspenders, and uses video material of Catherine without her consent that he filmed while courting her. He is a charming but notorious liar anyway, and betrays her - and his best friend - into the bargain with his best friends girlfriend. In the course of the latter action he picks up some white little dots and that is where the tongue eference comes in. She quits because he is too immature. Well, this summary may not be very coherent, but at least it is short. Arami, or anybody else who saw the movie, can you give a better summary?

NEW FORMAT (Marilyn) Bethan - I like the bold subject line. (Nan) Actually, it was Renate's idea...and a good one it was. I just added the part about the names in parenthesis. Only the subject lines were my idea, but to make them bold was Bethan's. I like it, too, but keep on forgetting the "bold" tags. :-))

Colin's Eyes SylviaH./Anyone: This is an old one, but please tell me what the words "chip pan" and "choc-ice" mean in the following context: It has to be said that Colin smoulders like a chip pan with eyes that could burn a hole in choc-ice at 50 paces."

OUT OF THE BLUE SUSPENDERS! E--e-ech!!! In British parlance, suspenders hold up silk stockings! Shades of Colin in the Rocky Horror Show... and then I realised that suspenders can also hold up gents socks and (in the US) trousers (ie British braces). Oh, the confusion of our common tongue. We are talking about trousers, I hope!! COLIN QUOTES Have just been tidying up magazines including quite a stack bought pre-FP when Colin gave an abundance of interviews. Very interesting stuff. Incase you didn't have access to British mags, I'll give a few quotes. If you've heard it all before, just Y-A-W-N and let me know! "He slopes into the room in an old brown sued jacket, a crumpled pair of brown trousers and a black T-shirt, untidy brown culs framing a pale face which looks younger and softer than on TV...Firth turns out to be completely unassuming, friendly and funny...the tall broad shouldered physique, the serious dark brown eyes that suggest hidden torrents of feeling. Others on Colin.. " Brilliant actor..there's more to Colin than to most actors...(on his self-imposed exile in Canada with MT "Colin has handled his career rather badly if you think that ambition is all that matters." Colin.. "My family is pretty academic. I was the first in generations not to go to university. My parents thought (of Drama School) "Thank God he's found somewhere where he actually goes to classes.* On MT and Will "Fortunately I have avery good relationship with his mother" Michael Wearing (Exec Producer of Nostromo/P&P, Head of BBC Drama) on Livia.."She's a lovely girl, extremely bright. Their relationship flowere slowly and was delighful to see" (M-m-mm...Tres romantique, n'est-ce pas?) Other snippets volunteered by Colin..Before he went out with JE he'd never been out with anyone younger than himself. Dislikes TV and does not own a set.. had a girlfriend who did nothing but watch television...when she left the TV set went too. Am now descending into the realms of idle gossip and so will stop! But just though I would throw out a few nice-to-know facts. :-)Done at speed, excuse any typos!

A THOUSAND ACRES Nan: Maybe Kate might like to go--she's a hoot. Why thank you, I regard that as the ultimate compliment ;-) I will definitely be going to ATA, but because I'm going on holidays on Sept 24 (to Australia ) I don't know if I'll have time next weekend - and I won't be back until October 7... and I doubt if you'll be able to wait that long!

OUT OF THE BLUE (Bethan) SUSPENDERS! E--e-ech!!! ........ We are talking about trousers, I hope!! Calm down, Bethan, yes, we do! They - the suspenders - are more of the posh, decorative kind as you may easily imagine, and they look good on him, as nearly anything does. Not even the pink t-shirt can do him any harm. I guess he would even make a monk's robe attractive or a pimp's suit look classy. There are only few exceptions such as blue suits, if you get my meaning. :-)) Out off the blue, Colin! COLIN QUOTES Have just been tidying up magazines including quite a stack bought pre-FP when Colin gave an abundance of interviews. Very interesting stuff. And you say it just so-so.....while elsewhere in the world Firthaddicts are starving for this stuff? In case you didn't have access to British mags, I'll give a few quotes. I suppose only few here have access to those mags, so please give us the FULL interviews, please! I expect you to talk us over the upcoming Firthless time until ATA release or the FP tape by posting one by one of these interviews.... there are things that cannot be said or read too often, such as the following: "He slopes into the room in an old brown sued jacket, a crumpled pair of brown trousers and a black T-shirt, untidy brown curls framing a pale face which looks younger and softer than on TV... Are there pictures, too? Firth turns out to be completely unassuming, friendly and funny...the tall broad shouldered physique, the serious dark brown eyes that suggest hidden torrents of feeling. I've NEVER read it before. Where is it from? And the Others on Colin are by far too good and flattering to just being dumped into the recycling ton, or wherever you Brits dump your papers. :-)) But just though I would throw out a few nice-to-know facts. :-) Thanks, Bethan, that is great. BUT CAN WE HAVE MORE???! PLEASE!

Just a quick message, ladies. Jessica Lange will be on Rosie this Wed. Maybe she will have something more to say (about Colin) than Michelle did. Also, Oh Woe is ME! I was ready to go to the movie by myself Friday but then my husband decided to take off work Friday! Now don't get me wrong, I love it when he stays home with me, but, I think I have gone a little over board on Colin! I think that I would be a little jealous if he were acting this way about some female star... so I thought I would go se it by myself. Now I will have to wait until Monday! I don't think I can stand it! BTW, when is that World of Moss coming out? Chey

Well ladies, Jennifer Jason Leigh had nothing to say about CF, in fact, when asked about who was in ATA, all she had to say was MP, JL, JR, she then paused and Letterman reminded her about her own starring role. She seemed nervous and/or ditzy while on the show...I just hope this isn't another TEP for CF, although, how much can his character really stand out when there's incest and sibling rivalry at the core of the story??? Here's hoping Jessica Lange gives us some crumbs... BTW, ET had a snippet interview with MP and JL and it featured some behind the scenes settings with CF in the background. However, no mention of him from either party! Marilyn: My kids love Mark Hamill and Bill Pullman...I think they think it's a bit silly for mom to swoon over someone other than their dad, so they go "eckk" over CF (pop psych?). Chey: I know exactly what you mean about hubby and the movie! Hey, lets see more pics of CF to swoon and drool over just as in the old Spring days!

New Format Thanks to Renate and Bethan for inventing it. It makes this board easier to read. Colin's Eyes Rosie: Do you want a translation or an interpretation? :-) My translation is that choc-ice is chocolate ice and chip pan a pan with fried potatoes. I have to admit that the latter doesn't sound very romatic to me, the german word for it is Bratkartoffelpfanne which is even worse but I like the choc-ice part of the quotation. Since reading the article I've been wondering why the author chose chocolate ice: her favorite ice-cream, color of Colin's eyes, is chocolate ice colder than others and therefore harder to melt? Any suggestions? Out of the Blue Not being a native speaker the disussion about trousers and their various forms confuse me. Or is it the MAN wearing all those different sorts of trousers and not the language? Please tell me what he picks up some white little dots means. Virtual Views Another beautiful idea. This would make the discussion about movies easier to follow and it would also focus our energies on one topic. Quotes and Gossip ... had a girlfriend who did nothing but watch television... I can't believe that. Strange things happen in the world outside.

QUOTES AND GOSSIP (Sylvia)"... had a girlfriend who did nothing but watch television"... I can't believe that. Strange things happen in the world outside. Can you imagine?? I dunno, but I don't think we'd be watching too much TV if we were the lucky lady in his life! ;-) SOMETHING SIMILAR TO VIRT VIEWS (Nan) I've been thinking that perhaps we should borrow the idea from RoP and do something like that here. Frequently, when we discuss Colin movies, we are not all speaking with the same freshness of mind. If we all watched it at about the same time, I feel sure our discussions would be more...er, lively. Whaddya think? I think that's an excellent idea! What should we "virtview" first?? Oh, the possibilities... COLIN QUOTES (Bethan)"He slopes into the room in an old brown sued jacket, a crumpled pair of brown trousers and a black T-shirt, untidy brown culs framing a pale face which looks younger and softer than on TV...Firth turns out to be completely unassuming, friendly and funny...the tall broad shouldered physique, the serious dark brown eyes that suggest hidden torrents of feeling. He sounds very "unmade bed" like here, oh yum! - and the "eyes...hidden torrents of feeling"...ahhh! Bethan, more please!! :-) SWOON (Marina) My kids love Mark Hamill and Bill Pullman...I think they think it's a bit silly for mom to swoon over someone other than their dad, so they go "eckk" over CF (pop psych?). Marina, I remember feeling the same way when my mom swooned over Paul Newman in "Butch Cassidy..." - anyway, it didn't take long for me to see Paul's appeal. :-) I have to agree with their love of Bill Pullman though - he was so dreamy in "While you were Sleeping". NEW PIC (Renate) Thank you very much for the new "Pensive Colin" picture! Terry, I suppose? Or Nan? However: so nice of you. (Nan) Most welcome--I thought it was time for a change. And he's sooooo pretty in that one--dontcha think? ;-) Nan, is the photo Renate refers to the one from Vogue?? If not, where is that pretty boy??? And one more thing, the local news said the ATA premiere is being held downtown in LA tonight - so maybe E! will cover it? I just can't go to something like that by myself, a movie yes, but not this unfortunately. And, speaking of premieres, I just noticed a gorgeous photo of Colin with the TEP gang at FoF - has anyone seen it?? Pssst, Nan, he looks really CLEAN! :-D

PLAYMAKER/SCISSORS SCENE (Renate) the PM story is simply crap, and has some scenes of bad taste. Agreed. As I've said before: Peeee-yeeeew!! ;-p FILM DISCUSSION (Renate) Excellent idea, Nan! Do you think of an extra topic for that? I would suggest not only to limit it to CF films, (even if that must be the main focus...) but to discuss other favourites, too. If it were just for Colin I'd say leave the discussion here, but if we're getting into other movies (which I'm all for, BTW) then yes, I think it should have it's own topic. BTW, Playmaker would be the first film to discuss here for me, because I would like to figure out what it is exactly that makes it such a bad film. Okeedokee! Let's choose a date for the discussion to begin and then one of us can start the new topic. OUT OF THE BLUE (Renate)In the course of the latter action he picks up some white little dots and that is where the tongue reference comes in. She quits because he is too immature. Ugh! Sorry I asked ;-D COLIN QUOTES "He slopes into the room...the tall broad shouldered physique, the serious dark brown eyes that suggest hidden torrents of feeling. OH MY! What a vision that gave me!!!;-) "Hidden torrents of feeling..." *sigh* A THOUSAND ACRES (Kate) Why thank you, I regard that as the ultimate compliment ;-) Me too ;-) I didn't realize you were still lurking about in here...good to see you. :-) I will definitely be going to ATA, but because I'm going on holidays on Sept 24 (to Australia ) I don't know if I'll have time next weekend - and I won't be back until October 7... and I doubt if you'll be able to wait that long! Tis true...I shall indeed have a breakdown if I have to wait until October 7. However, I'm sure that I won't go only once so feel free to give me a buzz when you return and maybe we can do the movie and tie one on! ;-) JESSICA LANGE ON ROSIE (Chey) Jessica Lange will be on Rosie this Wed. Maybe she will have something more to say (about Colin) than Michelle did. Or anything at all for that matter. Also, Oh Woe is ME! I was ready to go to the movie by myself Friday but then my husband decided to take off work Friday! (snip) Now I will have to wait until Monday! I don't think I can stand it! Oh you poor thing...I feel for you, I really do. But we've all waited this long, Monday won't be so bad... BTW, when is that World of Moss coming out? According to imDb it's scheduled for Spring 98--no specific date yet. :-( NOT ANOTHER TEP!;-( (Marina) I just hope this isn't another TEP for CF, although, how much can his character really stand out when there's incest and sibling rivalry at the core of the story??? This is true. I finally read the book this weekend and Jess is pretty integral here...just not a big enough "star" I suppose. Hmmm... BTW, ET had a snippet interview with MP and JL and it featured some behind the scenes settings with CF in the background. However, no mention of him from either party! So, what else is new? It's very disappointing. And the reviews! This is not a good sign. CHOCOLATE EYES (Sylvia) I like the choc-ice part of the quotation. Since reading the article I've been wondering why the author chose chocolate ice: her favorite ice-cream, color of Colin's eyes, is chocolate ice colder than others and therefore harder to melt? Any suggestions? I don't understand the quotation either (cultural thing I suppose) but I can certainly relate to the "chocolate" eyes. I think it was Marilyn who called them "Chocolate Pools" LOL! :-)

Colin's Eyes (Rosie) SylviaH./Anyone: This is an old one, but please tell me what the words "chip pan" and "choc-ice" mean in the following context: It has to be said that Colin smoulders like a chip pan with eyes that could burn a hole in choc-ice at 50 paces." I don't know the origin of this quote, but it reminds me of another one I find very funny. (I don't know the exact source anymore, it's quite a while since I printed it out. It's a quote within a quote of 'Bernie' with the title "Once more into the breeches...", on 'Jane's page'. Hope I don't violate any copyright with this post :-)) ) Here it is: "For all its multitude of merits, the BBC's P&P has created an unreasonable demand among the nation's women for men in mysterious trousers. Indeed, the day may not be far off when the prime requirement of any classic drama will be not so much fidelity to the text but the presence of a hero with all the necessary basic attributes: hot coal eyes (betraying the unseen blaze in the Aga double-oven of his breast), hair curly-going on-tousled and thighs that can grip a mettlesome mare like a denture-f xative." MP AND JJL ON TALKSHOWS As unfortunate it is for us, I somehow like it that MP and JJL seem to be talkshow-shy and insecure. It's all so human, and I can sympathize with it very much. I like to see the real people shine through the showbiz surface, even if - or because - they are less than perfect. It casts a light on how important the off-the-mainstream ATA must be for those who made it, that those publicity-shy people walk off their ways to promote it. Out of the Blue (SylviaH) ...... trousers and their various forms confuse me. Or is it the MAN wearing all those different sorts of trousers and not the language? It must be the man, Sylvia, because it's NOT the language, and the trouser thing is mysterious: like Ariadne's thread the trouser reference follows us wherever we go.. :-.)) Please tell me what he picks up some white little dots means. "...er hat sich (bei einem Seitensprung) ein paar kleine wei�e Punkte auf der Zunge eingefangen." :-)) But you will be able to find out yourself soon: the tape will go into mail these days. SWOON (Marilyn) I have to agree with their love of Bill Pullman though - he was so dreamy in "While you were Sleeping". And hysterically funny in "Ruthless People"! NEW PIC (Marilyn) Nan, is the photo Renate refers to the one from Vogue?? If not, where is that pretty boy??? I'm not sure if I understand what you are meaning: haven't you found the "Pensive Colin" pic (half profile in bw) on the Spring/Drool page that you find when you enter this place the "official" way, and want to know where it comes from, or do you refer to the much talked-of Vogue-pic with the read sweater? The latter one you will find if you go back on this topic - there are some very nice other pics, too. I wish I'd be better in HTML. I'll try in my next post. TUTORIAL? NAN, is there a kind of tutorial around here, how to link etc.?) I have some basic knowledge but keep on forgetting, so a place to check would be helpful. FILM DISCUSSION If it were just for Colin I'd say leave the discussion here, but if we're getting into other movies (which I'm all for, BTW) then yes, I think it should have it's own topic. I guess I got carried away a bit. Let's start with the Firth step first: Colin movies. When there's a request for other movies, we still can move.... PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION ...Let's choose a date for the discussion to begin and then one of us can start the new topic. Then go to it! You name the day. COLIN QUOTES ...the tall broad shouldered physique, the serious dark brown eyes...... Just to let this picture linger a while.....

NAN, how can I repeat here the pictures of response no 20, 28, 29, 33 .... there must be a tag line how to do it? Particularly No 20.... ...the tall broad shouldered physique, the serious dark brown eyes...... (it cannot be said or imagined too often :-.) *Ach!* (=*Sigh*)

Renate~ Here you go sister friend #28: Hope that worked--new at this ya know... As for #s 20 and 29 I think they are Susan's photos so we have to ask her if she would post them again. Susan--you out there. Renate-check your email (but since I sent it aol this could take a while! ;-)

It worked! YAY! :-D The most ridiculous things excite me...:-p

Just happened to pop in, and noticed that #20 and #29 have been requested. Who am I to deprive? ;-) Here goes one, with the other to follow:

The "Jessness" photo (and mighty fine wallpaper it makes):

Sorry! I may not be able to access that one anymore because it was on AOL, and I ain't. Hate to disappoint!

MORE COLIN QUOTES Always happy to oblige! I'll continue with snippets from the Daily Telegraph article (very reputable quality press).Here goes... Interviewer (female) comments on his "deep sexy voice"and his ability to porteay vulnerability. "As is well known, in fact, he has none of Mr Darcy's fastidious hauteur in relationships with the opposite sex. Film industry gosip suggests that his P&P co-star JE is not the only one of his leading ladies to have been involved with him off-screen. "An aunt begged him to turn down the role of Darcy so that he wouldn't ruin her schoolgirl fantasies" (Colin)"Here's me working my socks off for 10 years or so and the response is fairly modest actually. Then something where I hardly open my mouth gets me noticed. I have to think it's to do with things other than me...(the character, wealth of Mr Darcy etc)...Elizabeth wouldn't have married me!" (Colin on his disappearance to the Canadian backwoods) "I don't recommend it as a career move. But I didn't want my whole life to be about my career" (Colin on Hollywood... he's not keen)If I could find a fantastically intersting part that would make me rich and famous at the same time, I would probably take it. But there's nothing more embarrassing than selling out and nobody wanting to buy (Me on Colin..he should have more confidence in himself!) Anyway I've never been much good at strategy. I want to enjoy my life. It's as simple as that. "The grandson of Indian missionaries and son of teachers he spent his childhood in Nigeria, St Louis (USA), Hampshire, Bath, Billericay and Winchester." "When he was making Circle of Friends in Ireland he rented a flat for himself, his son and a nanny, cutting, colleagues remember, a rather poignant figure of lone parenthood." BBC producer on Colin .. He met Colin on a trip back home from Canada and "encountered him looking miserable in a Soho bar. "Colin said he didn't know what to do because Canada wasn't the right place for a British actor" (Another producer) "He's able to suggest a feeling of inner life in a way that most actors can't". Okay, enough for starters, I think.:-) I'll dip into my treasure trove (not binned!) at regular intervals to fill the Colin vacuum. All part of our mutual support service! A THOUSAND ACRES BTW, ET had a snippet interview with MP and JL and it featured some behind the scenes settings with CF in the background. However, no mention of him from either party! So, what else is new? It's very disappointing. And the reviews! This is not a good sign. And the reviews! What does this mean? Does Colin not get a mention? My one fear is that although Jess is integral to the book and definitely a lead figure, his character may be marginalised in the script in favour of a three-hander for the leading ladies. Tell me it isn't so, please!!! Colin has commented a couple of times that he doesn't care where he is in the billing or even the size of the part (if the overall script is good) but I'm afraid I want to see him in starring roles! Oh well,I wait with bate breath to have my fears unconfirmed.

Good News! I am watching Regis & Kathie Lee and they spent quite a while discussing ATA. Regis liked it very much and said he could not stop thinking about it. He said his wife,Joy, loved it! Regis said the only thing he didn't like was that all the men in the film were jerks! He said it was male bashing due to an all female production co. and writers. Also, Barbara Walters saw it and said she really loved it. So there is some good news! No direct mention of C. Regis didn't have any of the cast o so he had no reason to mention it. I am glad you all understand about the husband thing! Chey

A THOUSAND ACRES CONTINUED Forgot to mention, I found an interview with JL and MP in the on-line LA Times of Sunday 14 September, all about ATA. The URL for the LA Times is http://www.latimes.com/ You can get direct to the article (I hope!) on http://www.latimes.com/HOME/ENT/MOVIES/t000081608.html Quite a long,lively interview. ATA was very hard work (very tight schedule) and they were all exhausted. ATA is descibed as "Shakespeare meets Oprah in a classic tear-jerker". MP says that it's not a chick flick and that her husband thinks that this is the best and most malignant script he has ever read. No specific mention of Colin (surprise, surprise!) except as a member of the cast. The LA Times also listed other movies opening at the same time. There's a new Kevin Kline comedy and a new Kevin Spacey film, which both sound as though they'll clean up at the Box Office. I'm not sure how a serious drama based on King Lear will appeal to the masses!! FEVER PITCH Okay, back to my favourite topic! I see (courtesy of the aforementioned LA Times that yet another poorly reviewed UK movie (Intimate Relations) has opened in the US. I reckon that FP is just about the only recent British film not to get US distribution AND IT REALLY BUGS ME!!!! Have to let off steam! No wonder poor Colin always sounds so unconfident about taking on starring roles (and I don't want to see him ALWAYS in supporting roles!)Right, will never bring this up again!!!!I promise. MR DARCY Just read a lovely quote from Jane Austen in a recently published biography. About a ball.. "There was a scarcity of men in general, & a still greater scarcity of any that were good for much." Poor Jane (I think we all can sympathise!) - no wonder she had to create Fitzwilliam! I think she would have approved of Colin, as Mr D and as himself. :-) My son has accused me of hogging the computer (this is true!)... over to the rest of you!

I have no idea what I did with that last post--don't remember hitting the "submit response" button--but who knows? :-) COLIN QUOTES (Renate)hair curly-going on-tousled and thighs that can grip a mettlesome mare like a denture-fixative." LOL I never saw that one before. Thighs like "denture-fixative"--I'm cryin'! :-D It casts a light on how important the off-the-mainstream ATA must be for those who made it, that those publicity-shy people walk off their ways to promote it. This is a really nice way to think about it Renate--almost made me feel guilty for thinking only of Colin...almost, but not quite ;-p NEW PIC (Marilyn) Nan, is the photo Renate refers to the one from Vogue?? If not, where is that pretty boy??? Yes, I believe the latest picture at the top of the drool conference was originally from Vogue. TUTORIAL (Renate) , is there a kind of tutorial around here, how to link etc.?) I have some basic knowledge but keep on forgetting, so a place to check would be helpful. There is no html tutorial around here that I could find. There's always Ann's Tutorial at RoP, which I always find helpful. If you want to get a little fancier you can go to the Webmonkey--I love that place--so groovy! Webmonkey html tutorial I also sent you an email about this last night but since I did it from home, it could take 2 days before aol gets it to you :-( PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION (Renate) Then go to it! You name the day. Okay, let's give people some time to get their hands on a copy since many don't actually own it--say over the weekend? Discussion begins Sunday, September 21. THE "JESS"NESS PHOTO Many, many thanks for posting again Susan...such a beautiful picture.:-) Where did you find it originally? MORE COLIN QUOTES (Bethan) "Film industry gosip suggests that his P&P co-star JE is not the only one of his leading ladies to have been involved with him off-screen." Dontcha just love it? ;-D "When he was making Circle of Friends in Ireland he rented a flat for himself, his son and a nanny, cutting, colleagues remember, a rather poignant figure of lone parenthood." Oh, poor thing! I love these little snippets Bethan, thanks :-) A THOUSAND ACRES REVIEWS And the reviews! What does this mean? Does Colin not get a mention? Oooh sorry, Bethan--I read one at imdb that was not good and Colin was mentioned only in that he plays the part of Jess. Here's another that is equally depressing: A Thousand Acres Review No mention AT ALL!! Aaaaagh! Is this a sign of things to come?

THANK YOU, NAN AND SUSAN, FOR THE PICTURES! (BTW, where did you get them from?) THE CARETAKER / ...the tall broad shouldered physique, the serious dark brown eyes...... (Susan) The "Jessness" photo (and mighty fine wallpaper it makes): Right you are, I have it already, and I had to tidy up my desktop to get the full look at him! :-)) THOSE PUBLICITY-SHY PEOPLE (Nan) This is a really nice way to think about it Renate-- You may call me Jane, if you like. *blush* almost made me feel guilty for thinking only of Colin... Stop it, Lizzy! (Feeling guilty, I mean). TUTORIAL (Nan) .... If you want to get a little fancier you can go to the Webmonkey--I love that place--so groovy! Thank you for the link.! Looks very promising. COLIN QUOTES (Nan) I love these little snippets Bethan, thanks :-) Anche io. Me too! (Bethan) ) I'll dip into my treasure trove (not binned!) at regular intervals to fill the Colin vacuum. Anticip - - - - - - - - - - - ation!

COLIN PHOTOS (Marilyn) Nan, is the photo Renate refers to the one from Vogue?? If not, where is that pretty boy?? (Renate) I'm not sure if I understand what you are meaning: haven't you found the "Pensive Colin" pic (half profile in bw) on the Spring/Drool page that you find when you enter this place the "official" way, and want to know where it comes from, or do you refer to the much talked-of Vogue-pic with the read sweater? The latter one you will find if you go back on this topic - there are some very nice other pics, too. Renate - I'm sorry, but I must come in a different way because I haven't seen any photo ops here except when they've been included in a message--where do I go from here to find "Pensive Colin", among others? BTW, thank you for the "Jess"ness photo, Susan, it's become a favorite of mine...and thanks, Nan, for the repeat of #28 - he's so manly here. PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION I'm game, too. Can I join in Sept. 22? You know how I hate having to watch that movie(LOL)!! BETHAN I'm fully enjoying your reports - it doesn't take much to satisfy my appetite for things Colin. I only wish I had something to share, but as you can see, we're pretty starved over here! ATA You know if you watch real close and don't blink you can actually see him in the recent TV promos - like when that board game is tossed in his direction. I suppose he's still our little secret, but it's a shame he's so under-utilized. NAN Hope you're feeling better dearest, please take care :-)

COLIN PHOTO AT MAIN DROOL (Marilyn)-where do I go from here to find "Pensive Colin"? Oh Excellent Copper Bathing Pitcher Person: Sorry, I must have given you the link which takes you directly to the Colin topic. You can go to the main drool conference board here: Mr. Sexy Pants Lookin' Pensive PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION I'm game, too. Can I join in Sept. 22? You know how I hate having to watch that movie(LOL)!! Oh, Marilyn--I'm sorry I forgot it had to be a weekday for you. Of course you can come in on the 22nd--we're not going anywhere, that's for sure...:-p And I am feeling better my friend, thanks for asking :-)

I'M BACK, BUT ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME Been to the Continent. On the way out I found some snippets of info in the papers. TEP video is on sale - obviously on both sides of the Pond simultaneously. And Colin is one of the actors being considered for the role of Prof. Higgins in the London grand stage revival of My Fair Lady in the year 2000. Can't say that I find the image of Colin prancing and singing his way through a soppy musical particularly appealing, so it's just as well that Ralph Fiennes is tipped as the producers' preferred choice. I'm off to California next week hoping to see lots of interesting sights, but most importantly - ATA! So, sadly, I'll miss the PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION - perhaps just as well, for what is there to discuss?... The film was a piece of crap because it had a lousy script (or rather none at all), but Colin was rather watchable and had a few rather interesting moments. Some film reviewers even praised the "chemistry" between him and his leading lady. The contrast between the sinister Ross and pathetic Michael was probably what ultimately lured Colin to play the part(s), but as for the outcome, IMO, actors cannot be blamed for the end result of any production. And I don't think we're likely to see Colin so carelessly bare and very nearly completely exposed ever again. And yes, Darcy fully clothed was far, far sexier. OUT OF THE BLUE For the curious - no, he didn't do it with his tongue! At least not with Catherine ZJ... :-) Renate's summary is about right.It was a fairly light-hearted TV play about some issues of human relationships. The significance of the white spots on his tongue (presented to the camera in all its impressive length) is that it is a symptom of thrush (Candida - a sexually transmitted infection). Alan's friend's girlfriend has previously casually disclosed the fact to the other women. When Alan mentions it, he does 't realize the connection, and that is how Catherine's character finds out by coincidence that he had betrayed her. A sort of yuck-natural justice, if you like... FUNNY... Have you noticed the date of the Response 108?... Should we worry or be afraid?...

P.S. Oh, I forgot to add that during my visit on the Continent I unexpectedly came across Circle of Friends on the French cable TV. Hubby was moaning that HE was following us everywhere...

COLIN PHOTO AT MAIN DROOL (Nan)Oh Excellent Copper Bathing Pitcher Person: Sorry, I must have given you the link which takes you directly to the Colin topic. You can go to the main drool conference board here: Mr. Sexy Pants Lookin' Pensive LOL!! Nan (fortunate Keeper of his magnificent INCROYABLE), thanks for the link - I finally found Mr. Sexy Pants, along with those other Colin pleasers. I know you gave me both links originally, but I chose to come straight here and forgot about the other link. "Pensive Colin" really showcases that beautiful face - that chin, the jawline, his perfect nose...ahhhh!! :-.) PLAYMAKER (Arami)And I don't think we're likely to see Colin so carelessly bare and very nearly completely exposed ever again. And yes, Darcy fully clothed was far, far sexier. Agreed, Arami. Although I'm embarassed for him, I can't say I'm sorry to have seen him so carelessly bare. :-) COLIN QUOTES, ETC. Bethan (or anyone) - sorry if this has been asked before - but is World of Moss scheduled as an exclusive UK/European release (a la FP)? Are we to be deprived yet again?? Here's another question I'm sure has been asked before...what exactly is WofM about?? Bethan, please throw us more crumbs - I'm enjoying every quote!

FUNNY...BACK FROM THE FUTURE! (Observarami) Have you noticed the date of the Response 108?... Should we worry or be afraid?... Ooooops! Here I am - back from the year 2036, Feb. 7! Sorry ladies, was just a little accident with my Flux generator - i.e. time machine. I didn't mean to let anyone know, but since I have told you so far I can admit as well that I am not from Germany but from far Arcturus, and my hat is way too flat! But one thing I must tell you: last year - 2035 - at the Oscar night Colin Firth was nominated Best Actor the 27th time and won his 16th AA for his role as King Lear in "A Thousand Arcturians". Now back to nonsense: PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION (Marilyn) You know how I hate having to watch that movie(LOL)!! Oh, I know what you mean. Fortunately I have lent my copy presently, so I have to rely on my memory. :-)) TEP VIDEO ON SALE? (Arami)TEP video is on sale - obviously on both sides of the Pond simultaneously. Yippeeeh! Have you already spotted it? THE RAIN IN SPAIN... And Colin is one of the actors being considered for the role of Prof. Higgins in the London grand stage revival of My Fair Lady in the year 2000. I can see him play Prof. Higgins but not in the year 2000, helping to celebrate the grand turn-of-millennium circus. Nevah! BTW, does your source know if he has actually been asked or was he just 'considered'? So, sadly, I'll miss the PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION - perhaps just as well, for what is there to discuss?... Ah, Arami at her best, indeed. Bye, bye, dear! Happy to see you again in a month! :-)) And don't forget your travel-buckets! (I don't want to put 3 smilies behind every sentence, but I think you know anyway that this paragraph is plastered with a bucket load of smilies? :-)) ) The film was a piece of crap because it had a lousy script (or rather none at all), For me, not being a film professional, it is not so easy to recognise what is to blame on the script, and what on the director, f.e.. Can't a good director save a weak script? Or does the script ruin the director? ..... Circle of Friends on the French cable TV. Hubby was moaning that HE was following us everywhere... But after all, he recognized him right away - good. :-.))

OUR COL'S LOVELY BOD (Marilyn)I can't say I'm sorry to have seen him so carelessly bare. LOL! Oh, no, of course not! He's got such a lovely body, it's such a joy to ogle!!! It's so pleasingly well proportioned, with superb, naturally broad shoulders and discreet, light and generally sparse body hair. And yet, endearingly, it is not quite perfect - e.g. his extremities are somewhat on the thin side and his skin seems prone to a variety of moles, bumps and spots, some permanent, some less so... Anyone care to continue?:-)...

TEP VIDEO ON SALE It's being advertized in Britain at �14.99 (PAL system)- about $24 - whilst in the US the full price (NTSC format) appears to be around $105 ($80 discounted)!!! THE RAIN IN SPAIN... Fiennes is in the front line for this job - Colin is also considered along with two or three other actors. I know he can play anybody and anything, butI don't want him to go into musicals! PLAYMAKER Can't a good director save a weak script? Or does the script ruin the director? Both, I imagine... There is a saying to the effect that even the epitome of wisdom, King Solomon, would find it impossible to pour anything out of an empty vessel... Sometimes a weak script might have to be extensively rewritten to be saved. A good director would probably be better off rejecting a weak story altogether, unless it is REALLY worth saving. Playmaker starts in a mildly interesting way and then suddenly goes off the rails. Perhaps it needed a different ending (could you propose an alte native which could have saved it?) P.S. No, my hubby didn't actually recognize Colin - but he guessed it was him judging from my frantic reaction...:-)

There is someone in Ramble in RoP who has seen ATA. She said it was very sad. She also said Colin's part was rather small. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT! In the book, Jess is one of the main charaters and is on almost every page. They must have made his part small and explored the sister angle a lot more. RATS! I just can't get enough of him on screen! Chey

COLIN AS HENRY HIGGINS (Arami) And Colin is one of the actors being considered for the role of Prof. Higgins in the London grand stage revival of My Fair Lady in the year 2000. Can't say that I find the image of Colin prancing and singing his way through a soppy musical particularly appealing, Actually, Professor Higgins is a great part--the dialogue is wonderful. I love that show. If my memory of Rex Harrison is accurate, he pretty much talks his way through the songs (though I hear Colin likes to sing) and doesn't "prance" at all. LOL!! I don't know if Colin is cranky enough to play Higgins, but then again...Colin can do anything. :-) I'm off to California next week hoping to see lots of interesting sights, but most importantly - ATA! Oy, your poor haunted husband! ;-D He'll really think Colin is stalking you now. :-) PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION (Arami)- perhaps just as well, for what is there to discuss?... The film was a piece of crap because it had a lousy script (or rather none at all), I absolutely agree with that statement. What a horror! However, I haven't seen it in a while and I'm trying to keep an open mind. We're tryng to find out what makes it such a bad movie...which shouldn't be too hard. And yes, Darcy fully clothed was far, far sexier. Oh Yhess, he certainly was! *pant* OUT OF THE BLUE (Arami) The significance of the white spots on his tongue (presented to the camera in all its impressive length) Ooooooh, don't go there--I'm getting all hot and stuff!! ;-p FUNNY... Have you noticed the date of the Response 108?... Should we worry or be afraid?... I did and LMAO too! Renate: Time Trekker! ;-) Hubby was moaning that HE was following us everywhere... LOL! :-D At least he was moaning...0;-p COLIN PHOTO AT MAIN DROOL (Marilyn) LOL!! Nan (fortunate Keeper of his magnificent INCROYABLE), That's HIS INCROYABLE if you please...;-p "Pensive Colin" really showcases that beautiful face - that chin, the jawline, his perfect nose...ahhhh!! :-.) I know, isn't he just so beautiful it aches? God bless his little cotton socks...;-) COLIN QUOTES, ETC. (Marilyn) Is World of Moss scheduled as an exclusive UK/European release (a la FP)? Are we to be deprived yet again?? Actually I think it's scheduled only for US release at present, but I don't know what it's about. InformArami--how about you? BACK FROM THE FUTURE (Renate) I didn't mean to let anyone know, but since I have told you so far I can admit as well that I am not from Germany but from far Arcturus, and my hat is way too flat! Wiseguy!;-) But one thing I must tell you: last year - 2035 - at the Oscar night Colin Firth was nominated Best Actor the 27th time and won his 16th AA for his role as King Lear in "A Thousand Arcturians". From your mouth to God's ears...;-) OUR COL'S LOVELY BOD (Arami) He's got such a lovely body, it's such a joy to ogle!!! It's so pleasingly well proportioned, with superb, naturally broad shoulders and discreet, light and generally sparse body hair. Man after my own heart...;-p And yet, endearingly, it is not quite perfect - e.g. his extremities are somewhat on the thin side and his skin seems prone to a variety of moles, bumps and spots, some permanent, some less so... Aaah, to play connect the dots with Colin! What a naughty, lovely, moderately kinky thought. ;-) Anyone care to continue?:-)... Well, I don't know how I could possibly top that very eloquent "endearingly, it is not quite perfect"--great description...just exactly what I've thought myself. What I find attractive is the way he wears his clothes. You could put him in a sack and he'd look good. I think that is because of the naturally lithe, very manly V-shape of his body. Sorry...time to pop in a tape ;-).... ;-).... ;-)..... TEP VIDEO ON SALE (Arami) whilst in the US the full price (NTSC format) appears to be around $105 ($80 discounted)!!! I'm going to check again tomorrow, but last I heard it was being released on Tuesday, 9/23 and the price was $24.99. THE RAIN IN SPAIN... (Arami) Fiennes is in the front line for this job - Colin is also considered along with two or three other actors. I know he can play anybody and anything, butI don't want him to go into musicals! Why? Don't like musicals much? And, you know, as far as musicals go, My fair Lady is not very sappy. PLAYMAKER (Arami) Playmaker starts in a mildly interesting way and then suddenly goes off the rails. Perhaps it needed a different ending (could you propose an alte native which could have saved it?) I don't think anything could have saved that movie.

A THOUSAND ACRES Just checked out a couple of reviews (male reviewers) on-line (LA Times, Boston Globe) Both quite favourable and considerable praise for the lead actresses, but "the problem is how insubstantial the men come off the screen, as opposed to how they're presented in the novel." As Chey said "Oh, rats!!!!" No mention of Colin in the reviews (so, what's new!) I am waiting to hear a first-hand account(how's the accent?}....any snippets will do! But I was hoping that Jess would be more central and give him a Holl wood boost. SNIFF, SNIFF!! (And they are not showing FP.. Ooops! Sorry, wasn't going to mention that!!) BUT I have actually glimpsed Colin in ATA. British TV showed JL, MP, JJL, JR at the premiere and THEN, a clip from the film of Colin smiling and hugging JL and MP. Again no actual mention of Colin! By dint of ramming a cassette into the VCR I managed to record it. He looks very, very cute and I was absolutely delighted to have two seconds of him. But I do need more!!! Some leading roles, p-l-ee-ase!! 'ENERY 'IGGINS I think that Colin would make a marvellous Professor Higgins - along the lines of Rex Harrison. It's a masculine assertive role. But I suppose that RF will get it. RF has had (says she cattily) a gilded career whereas Colin has his blips and a tendency to be OVERLOOKED!. WORLD OF MOSS (Marilyn) What is WOM about? I'm much more hopeful about this. He has to top the billing here. It's based on an autobiography by Denis Forman and he plays Edward ,the husband/father in an eccentric aristocratic Scottish family. It's set in the 1930s and is about the young son's relationship with his parents and is supposed to have a dark, funny script. It has an excellent cast, including Irene Jacob (stunningly beautiful)with whom Edward (nearly?) has an affair. The Scottish setting alone should make it worth watching (spent a holida in that area a few years ago) and HE will be on the screen for more than five minutes!!! It's scheduled to open in the US, but no dates here. PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION I quite like PM because (and this is sheer desperation speaking!!)he is on screen for most of the movie :-)Sometimes I need more than five minutes quality time!! COLIN's BOD He's so endearingly un-vain. Quite lanky and athletic but obviously has no interest in working out for extra muscles and preening in front of a mirror. And I love the combination of lean hips and broad shoulders. (CASTING DIRECTORS, are you LISTENING?!!!) WHAT IS HE DOING NOW? A prize for the first to give the definitive answer:-) He's not in LA. MY bet is that he's filming Secret Laughter of Women (SLOW!!)in France. It sounds an interesting project and good location, The screen writer has a Nigerian name and I know that there's a lot of good African writing at the moment. But it's not a Hollywood-type project. Has anyone any REAL news as opposed to inspired guess work. (BTW - A Colin-link - he spent his childhood (until 4 years old) in Nigeria, we also worked in Nigeria and my elder son also spent his first four years there, very happily!) MORE COLIN QUOTES For all the Colin-starved, another stab at infringing copyright! Colin on TEP "I found myself sitting there with this incredibly passionate love story unfolding and thiking to myself, well, I don't see what's so moving about it, it doesn't turn me on. My wife's shagging this other bloke, what's so special about him anyway." He laughs heartily and goes to the bar to buy me (Nick Hornby) a drink. Nick Hornby on Colin "Of course, and doesn't it make you sick,CF is a genuinely nice guy, smart, funny, self-deprecating, complicated, good company. He even has exemplary taste in music and books". Colin on P&P "I was ready to run for cover incase it was scorned" (ME -he is too unassuming!) Colin "Engish people can be a bit churlish when they recognise you. They'll come up to you and want to show that they're not impressed and end up being rude. It's the opposite in America where - it doesn't happen to me but I've seen it happen to others - people say 'I like your work, can I have your autograph' and then they go away. In England, they say 'Are you that bloke from the programme. And if you say 'yes' they might say 'No, you're NOT'. Then if you say 'No you're right. I'm not' they'll say 'You loody ARE!' (ME - one-up for the US. Again note his modesty!) Will stop now. More next.. some very serious profound quotes by Colin on life etc. Now, someone put me out of my agony about ATA!!:-) I'm hoping for reasonably good movie, reasonably good (but short, SNIFF!)performance. No more!

LOST LETTERS What's happening to b (loody?) and y?

OUR COL'S LOVELY BOD (Arami) LOL! Oh, no, of course not! He's got such a lovely body, it's such a joy to ogle!!! .........It's so pleasingly well proportioned, with superb, naturally broad shoulders .....And yet, endearingly, it is not quite perfect - e.g. his extremities are somewhat on the thin side (Nan) What I find attractive is the way he wears his clothes. You could put him in a sack and he'd look good. I think that is because of the naturally lithe, very manly V-shape of his body. Nan, Arami, I've heard/seen:-) you and some others mention frequently that he is too thin - f.e. in Fever Pitch. I think he is just very slim, and the musles not prominent, or worked-out. I think we are so used to see gym-modelled muscles from most (American) actors, that we tend to forget that there is a diversity of natural condition of bodies as opposed to the studio-shaped ones (BWT, I don't mind muscles, f.e. Eric Roberts - Ouch, don't slap me!). It's rather unusual for actors nowadays to be not at a l "beefed up". That, BTW, makes our dear boy such a good dress model, together with his "pleasing proportions". And there are some things that you cannot get in a gym: f.e. his beautiful neckline. It would rather be spoiled by muscle training. What do you think: does he do anything but dieting (?) to keep in shape? Do you think he should do some workouts? (Yes, I know what you are thinking! :-.)) Ok, let's found 'Colin's Workout Studio', where we can exercise with him, CoLoonies! Any suggestions? *sigh*ned by VoyeuRenate .....and his skin seems prone to a variety of moles, bumps and spots, some permanent, some less so... ... MicroscopArami? THE 'AIN IN 'PAIN (Arami) ...I don't want him to go into musicals! As long as he does not play cute little choochoo-engines on roller blades he has my permission! But I'd prefer the original G.B.Shaw to the musical, too. COF No, my hubby didn't actually recognize Colin - but he guessed it was him judging from my frantic reaction...:-) Arami, oh, Arami! :-)) A THOUSAND ACRES (Chey) I just can't get enough of him on screen! Nor do I. When you read this you will probably have seen it already - a full steaming hot report please! :-)) I'm not afraid of spoilers! It's scheduled for Germany in March only!!! (Nan) I know, isn't he just so beautiful it aches? That's why ATA is called 'A 1000 aches'. (Not my invention, alas, but good, isn't it.) God bless his little cotton socks...;-) Socks? Though we seem to know about everything of him, here is a gap: what's the size of his socks and shoes? (ponder, ponder, - - - Do I really want to know? No. :-)) CONNECT THE DOTS (Nan) Aaah, to play connect the dots with Colin! What a naughty, lovely, moderately kinky thought. ;-) Oh, good idea, Nan. I have a mole on my right thigh pretty much on the same spot where he has one on the left thigh ..... thank you for fuelling my fantasies! :-)=)

LOODY LETTER EATER! (Bethan) What's happening to b (loody?) and y? No idea what happened to 'bloody andy', but this software by the name of 'yapp-bin' (sic!) is snipping letters randomly. I think this a very charming little bug, and very promising. :-))

A THOUSAND ACRES I am waiting to hear a first-hand account(how's the accent?}....any snippets will do! But I was hoping that Jess would be more central and give him a Hollywood boost. I will indeed post snippets as soon as I return from the theatre this evening, but I'm not hopeful about the outcome. All the reviews I've read are...er, mixed. they complain about the script a lot. Most of the (minimal) praise is directed at the women's roles (JL in particular) and barely any mention of Colin at all. Today's NY Post says this: "...both Lange and Pfeiffer find themselves romantically drawn toward a curly-headed hippie prodigal (Colin Firth) who has returned after many years' absence to a neighbor's farm". That's it--nothing about the performance. UGH! The nerve!! The NY Times was even worse: "...various husbands and boyfriends (Keith Carradine, Kevin Anderson, Colin Firth) who barely register here". AAAAAGH! I fear I shall have to savor every Colin moment because they are sounding few and far between. WORLD OF MOSS He has to top the billing here. And it's about time too! You're right, that sounds much more promising. PLAYMAKER DISCUSSION Bethan) I quite like PM because (and this is sheer desperation speaking!!)he is on screen for most of the movie :-) Desperation indeed :-p MORE COLIN QUOTES (Bethan) "My wife's shagging this other bloke, what's so special about him anyway." (Snip) 'You bloody ARE!' I just love it when he gets all British. For an American, words like "shagging" and "bloke" and "bloody" are tremendously charming...perhaps because we cannot use them with the same gusto. You have to have a British accent to get away with words like that. I'm so jealous. :-) LOST LETTERS What's happening to b (loody?) and y? Just a software quirk for which there is apparently no cure. It's kinda cute though :-)

OUR COL'S LOVELY BOD (Renate) I think we are so used to see gym-modelled muscles from most (American) actors, that we tend to forget that there is a diversity of natural condition of bodies as opposed to the studio-shaped ones I'm not big on muscles (well not very prominent ones I mean) but perhaps his height, coupled with the natural slimness gives him the impression of being "skinny". (BWT, I don't mind muscles, f.e. Eric Roberts - Ouch, don't slap me!). LOL! I rather like Eric Roberts--all those little facial scars really turn me on!;-) What do you think: does he do anything but dieting (?) to keep in shape? Do you think he should do some workouts? He probably doesn't even diet--looks like one of those people who can eat anything and stay thin. But I would never suggest his working out--just fine the way he is (thin and all) ;-p THE 'AIN IN 'PAIN (Renate) As long as he does not play cute little choochoo-engines on roller blades he has my permission! This would be a little tough to take ;-) A THOUSAND ACRES (Nan) I know, isn't he just so beautiful it aches? That's why ATA is called 'A 1000 aches'. (Not my invention, alas, but good, isn't it.) Yeah, I've seen that one too. I'll let you know later this evening if I think it applies :-) (Nan) God bless his little cotton socks...;-) (Renate) Socks? Though we seem to know about everything of him, here is a gap: what's the size of his socks and shoes? (ponder, ponder, - - - Do I really want to know? No. :-)) Well, you know what they say about big shoes! ... BIG FEET! LOL ;-D CONNECT THE DOTS (Nan) Aaah, to play connect the dots with Colin! What a naughty, lovely, moderately kinky thought. ;-) Oh, good idea, Nan. I have a mole on my right thigh pretty much on the same spot where he has one on the left thigh ..... thank you for fuelling my fantasies! :-)=) Anytime m'dear. :-) I've got plenty of those moles to play with, but alas, none on my face...;-.)

ALL THAT BEAUTY AND HUMILITY, TOO?? (Arami)He's got such a lovely body, it's such a joy to ogle!!! (Nan)What I find attractive is the way he wears his clothes. You could put him in a sack and he'd look good. I think that is because of the naturally lithe, very manly V-shape of his body. (Renate)That, BTW, makes our dear boy such a good dress model, together with his "pleasing proportions". And there are some things that you cannot get in a gym: f.e. his beautiful neckline. (Bethan)He's so endearingly un-vain...And I love the combination of lean hips and broad shoulders. We are sooo of like minds, ladies! And Arami, "ogle" is such a great word! Not only is he my idea of masculine perfection - the height, long legs, broad shoulders (Nan's "manly V" fits beautifully) - but he has that face that makes you want to cry and such humility! There are few things more attractive than a handsome man who is unassuming. As his "casual" photos suggest, the man hasn't a vain bone in his entire edible body! ;-) And I loved that quote you gave us, Bethan: "...It's the opposite in America where - it doesn't happen to me - but I've seen it happen to others...". So sweet, it makes me want to take him right here, right now! ;-)...;-)... WORLD OF MOSS (Bethan)It has an excellent cast, including Irene Jacob (stunningly beautiful) with whom Edward (nearly?) has an affair. The Scottish setting alone should make it worth watching. Bethan, thanks for the summary - I had no idea what it was about or whether he had a "starring" role in it. And I agree, Irene Jacob IS stunning. I last saw her in Othello. Do you know who play's Colin's wife? Oh, and my "date" for ATA was postponed till Monday (if I can wait that long). It looks like Nan will be reporting first - in fact, she's probably at her local cineplex as I write!

Been away for a day again - and you've said it all, dear CoLoonies, there's not a lot I can add to the above! Except two things, perhaps: my info about seemingly outrageous prices for TEP video in US comes from an otherwise very reliable source... but on this occasion something must have gone wrong, and I cannot discount my own failure either... And I happen to know his shoe size!!! But I'm not telling you! Naah-naah-nah-nah-naaaah! Wanna have a guess?...

A THOUSAND ACRES Oh, thanks for going to see ATA, Nan - I'll eagerly await your report. But I'm prepared to be very disappointed. :-( I really thought that Jess would be a major dramatic role for Colin! Scanned some more on-line reviews on the Net - they're very much in the loved it/hated it mode (about 50/50, no middle ground). But even the 'loved-its' (and there are some very good reviews) only refer to the leading ladies and dismiss the men as peripheral to the script (unlike the novel). One interesting, but rather depressing, fact is that apparently the director Jocelyn Morehouse and the screenwriter Laura Jones have both asked to be disassociated from the movie. At the behest of Disney and JL/MP, the film was re-edited to focus primarily on the three sisters. Morehouse did not agree with this interpretation and said that she did not recognise the final version as hers. She and Jones did not attend the Premiere. Does this make any sense, Nan? Did the men end up on the cutting room floor? Is that why the movie is called "choppy"? Oh well, it doesn't help Colin. Go for the starring roles, laddie, and stuff Hollywood!! I just hope that the movie is ok (not outstanding, but watchable) and that Colin makes some impact.I was hoping for an Oscar, but I've revised my hopes:-):-((!! Why is it R rated BTW? MP was asked in an interview about the nudity (she said she used a body double). Are the two facts related? One review said that there was strong sex, another said there was "understated sex"!!! Are they watching the same film? Over to you, Nan. There's not even a release date for the UK, so all snippets are welcome! At the moment, the only advantage that I can see in ATA is that (like TEP) it may be a film that a lot of women around the world (not men, although for MP, perhaps yes) will want to see (not everyone analyses reviews!)and so women will be reminded that Colin exists!

I took the Vogue pic that was posted earlier, shrunk it and airbrushed out the words (Also check out two pics together):

A THOUSAND ACRES Ouch, Nan! That hurt! Sent me straight to raid the cookie jar for comfort food! It's made worse because I had such high hopes of ATA and particularly for the role of Jess. LONG S-I-GH!!!But many thanks for sharing your impressions so promptly -can I just ask one or two more questions before I hit the cookie jar again. :-) Just how cameo is cameo? Jess is so central to the novel that I can't see how his role was reduced. What about the long conversations with Ginny on his mother's death etc. How does he tell Ginny he doesn't love her, react to his father's blindness? And what about his relationship with Rose? Even if Jess's role is cut back he stll has to be in the background in several scenes - the courtroom, playing monopoly ets. For just how much of the movie is Colin a visible presence? 10 minutes? 20 - I daren't ask for more!! Actually the more I think about the novel, the more disappointed I feel. RATS!!! But (TRYING TO LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE) he seems very good to look at, his accent is OK (I mean, I can't imagine Hugh Grant doing "American"!), he sweated, he jogged,he took off his shirt... BTW why did women gasp and GIGGLE? I hope that despite the limitations of the part his Mr Sexypants image shone through!!

A THOUSAND ACHES Well, there's a surprise... But I'm not surprised. Sad, disappointed, but not surprised. It proves yet again what we all know and hate to admit: women make lousy organizers and sloppy artists. All right, there are exceptions of course, but it only reaffirms the general rule. As soon as I heard the news of the rift between the scriptwriter, the director and the two main producers who happen to be the stars of the movie - all bloody bitches, some probably in the middle of menopause and behaving stupidly, I knew it would look ugly. Sorry, Colin...

CONNECT THE DOTS (Nan) Aaah, to play connect the dots with Colin! What a naughty, lovely, moderately kinky thought. ;-) (Renate) Oh, good idea, Nan. I have a mole on my right thigh pretty much on the same spot where he has one on the left thigh ..... thank you for fuelling my fantasies! :-)=) (Nan) Anytime m'dear. :-) I've got plenty of those moles to play with, but alas, none on my face...;-.) Hey, only now I understand what was meant with "Connect the dots". I misunderstood gloriously: my mind was still more agreeably engaged. I did not get that it means to connect the dots on one body with a pencil or whatever, but I thought the task is to connect the dots in body-to-body-contact...... and yes, it's a pity in this case, too, if you don't happen to have dots on the upper lip. Anyone here with this feature? BLESS HIS LITTLE COTTON SOCKS (Arami) And I happen to know his shoe size!!! LOL!!! I knew there are only few bits about Colin that are not yet researched. (Bethan) Why is it R rated BTW? MP was asked in an interview about the nudity (she said she used a body double). For close up of mastectomy scar, I suppose. Are the two facts related? One review said that there was strong sex, another said there was "understated sex"!!! Are they watching the same film? Many of the reviews I've read are contradictory, and controverse. As you say, you get the impression, the people saw different films. There's no other way but to wait until I get to see ATA myself. ATA First: Nan, thank you very much for your full report. His fans are some of the severest critics for sure ..... I can hardly reply to any of your points, since I have no first-hand knowledge about it. All second-hand information are highly contradictory, as mentioned above. For sure, it is a disappointment that this will not be his major break through in the US, but lets put this into perspective. Even if ATA is going to be one of the most scolded and criticized films of this season, it is still a high quality production that gets a lot of attention. It's one more step for Colin to be recognised in the US. And anybody who saw this film admits that he looks gorgeous. It that nothing? The film industry will know his reputation as an excellent dramatic actor, even if he could n t prove it here. But from what I hear, he has created again a figure different to any of his former roles, accent and voice included. (There are many actors - and good ones - who mostly look and talk the same in every film - 3 films and you know the face complete; of Colin I have seen at least 10 films, most of them more than once, and he still has the power to surprise me f.e. in FP). We know he is a master of diversity and of the subtle shades and colours. And many of those you only discover with repeat d viewing..... it took even some time to warm up to Mr Darcy, and he had much more screen time... :-)) A GAME BTW, in which big American production would you like to see Colin? Describe 3 films you would like to see him in! TIME FLIES (Nan) 1) Colin is lovely to look at 2) Facially, he looks older than I remember--which I like very much; jolly laugh lines and happy little crow's feet. Made the same observation FP - and then I realised it was the first film (except TEP) with him I saw on the big screen, where the reproduction quality is definitely much better and - larger! The small tv-screen 'swallows' a lot of visual information. Ann, thanks for "time flies" pictures! It does, indeed. A THOUSAND ACHES (Arami) It proves yet again what we all know and hate to admit: women make lousy organizers and sloppy artists. All right, there are exceptions of course, but it only reaffirms the general rule. I contradict. There have been MUCH more bad films (and any kind of art) made by man up to now than by women. But apart from that women are entitled to make mistakes, errors and being incompetent, too, without being disqualified in a lump. BTW, women are excellent organizers. No advertising agency I know - and there are many - could survive 2 weeks without the organizing skills of the women employed.

ATA RATING (Bethan) Why is it R rated BTW? MP was asked in an interview about the nudity (she said she used a body double). (Renate) For close up of mastectomy scar, I suppose. Very good Renate! Also there is a considerable amount of cursing...and maybe the subject matter too (incest, etc.)? CONNECT THE DOTS (Renate) I did not get that it means to connect the dots on one body with a pencil or whatever, but I thought the task is to connect the dots in body-to-body-contact...... Oooh, I like your version much better! ;-D and yes, it's a pity in this case, too, if you don't happen to have dots on the upper lip. Anyone here with this feature? Well now, if we play the game your way wouldn't it be better to have the dots on the er,...body? ;-p I have several in choice places :-D SEX IN ATA Are the two facts related? One review said that there was strong sex, another said there was "understated sex"!!! Are they watching the same film? (Bethan) One review said that there was strong sex, another said there was "understated sex"!!! Are they watching the same film? There are no sex scenes at all. ATA REVIEW Renate, I very much like your optimistic take on this whole thing. I was thinking today that I would likely go see it again to give it a fair shake. I don't know...perhaps I was too critical of the film in my frustration on Colin's behalf. Then again, maybe not. :-) it took even some time to warm up to Mr Darcy I have to disagree with you here m'dear--I was quite warm by the time he said, "I rarely dance"...I was positively hot by "on foot?"---In fact, I'm kinda flushed just thinking about it ;-p A GAME (Renate) BTW, in which big American production would you like to see Colin? Describe 3 films you would like to see him in! Ooooh, good one Renate! I have to think about this one. Are there any other rules here? Any time period or just current movies?

A GAME (Renate) BTW, in which big American production would you like to see Colin? Describe 3 films you would like to see him in! (Nan) I have to think about this one. Are there any other rules here? Any time period or just current movies? Don't feel limited in any way. :-)) To support your memory, here are some genre categories: Action, mystery, history, western, sci-fi, drama (oh, please...not :-)) ), italo-american :-.)) ), comedy, romance, tarantino/ferrara, ...:-)) And you may plan remakes of already existing movies, or invent them yourselves....... only rule is: describe Colin's part, performance, and looks as detailed as possible. :-))

BLESS HIS LITTLE COTTON SOCKS (Arami) And I happen to know his shoe size!!! (Renate)I knew there are only few bits about Colin that are not yet researched. Yes, whatever precious little of himself he managed to save from the camera lens... A THOUSAND A C H E S (Arami) women make lousy organizers and sloppy artists... there are exceptions of course (Renate)I contradict. There have been MUCH more bad films (and any kind of art) made by man up to now than by women. That's because many more men have been active in these - and other - fields than women. women are entitled to make mistakes, errors and being incompetent, too, without being disqualified in a lump. Wrong. Due to the centuries of male domination, women have an obligation to prove to men and to themselves that they are at least just as competent but preferably better. women are excellent organizers. No advertising agency I know... could survive 2 weeks without the organizing skills of the women... We are talking services and support here - I want to stress art and creativity. Women are overall weaker in these fields.I'm in no humour at present to give consequence to any ladies who are slighted by other men... you are wasting your time with me...

A THOUSAND A C H E S (Arami) you are wasting your time with me... Am I? oh. Here we go: "Generalization of every kind is my abhorrence" (Renate) ....women are entitled to make mistakes, errors and being incompetent (as individuals), too, without being disqualified (as "the" women) in a lump. (...in brackets added later for clarification) (Arami) ... women have an obligation to prove to men and to themselves that they are at least just as competent but preferably better. That's reciprocal dependency. ......I want to stress art and creativity. Women are overall weaker in these fields. While I agree about women being not equally represented in these fields, I am uncomfortable with this kind of generalizations: women are not "overall weaker" but: there are less women in the respective fields, still much less women with outstanding work. But when they are good or excellent they are as good or excellent as anyone in their class, and not "overall weaker".

A THOUSAND A C H E S (Arami) you are wasting your time with me... Am I? oh. Here we go: "Generalization of every kind is my abhorrence" (Renate) ....women are entitled to make mistakes, errors and being incompetent (as individuals), too, without being disqualified (as "the" women) in a lump. (...in brackets added later for clarification) (Arami) ... women have an obligation to prove to men and to themselves that they are at least just as competent but preferably better. That's reciprocal dependency. ......I want to stress art and creativity. Women are overall weaker in these fields. While I agree about women being not equally represented in these fields, I am uncomfortable with this kind of generalizations: women are not "overall weaker" but: there are less women in the respective fields, still fewer women with outstanding work. But when they are good or excellent they are as good or excellent as anyone in their class, and not "overall weaker".

Oooops. Good night. :-))

A THOUSAND A C H E S Yes, yes, YESSS!!! You're right (=politically correct), of course. But privately I'm terribly old-fashioned and anti-feminist. Anti-myself, really...:-)

Arami, do you never sleep? :-))

Nan, Thanks for the indepth report on ATA. I still haven't seen it yet. I just cannot understand why anyone would make a movie of a book and COMPLETELY change the important elements that made the book famous(even though I personally didn't like the book either). I thought Jess Clark was very important to the story, in fact he seemed to me to be the main element that brought the tension between the sisters to a head. I just can't figure out who decided to change the story. Do you think it was the lead ng ladies' egos? MP said she and JL both wanted Colin for the part of Jess, so they had to know what a capable actor he is, so why would his part become so unimportant that anyone could have done it. Jess really needed to be someone who was so wonderful that he could cause the sisters to have a serious split(enough to want to kill the other one.) One last thought, when I read the book I pictured MP as Jenny and JL as Rose. I just can't think of them the other way. JL is always so much more powerful t an MP. ( I hope I got the names right, can't remember)

ATA REVIEW (Chey) I thought Jess Clark was very important to the story, in fact he seemed to me to be the main element that brought the tension between the sisters to a head. I just can't figure out who decided to change the story. Do you think it was the leading ladies' egos? I really don't think it was about their egos (or menopause LOL!). I'm sure they both had the best intentions and wanted to produce a quality product. Incest is a far more dramatic and shocking topic than is two women fighting over the same man. Supposedly MP & JL wanted to concentrate on the relationship between the women and it was probably the studio that chose the incest as the second most important element. Perhaps two hours was not sufficient to properly tell the story, so they chose to minimize Jess involvement. Of course, the fault in this logic is that Jess is a tremendously important part of that equation. He is the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back". The character of Jess is not given enough screen time for the audience to fall in love with him. If the audience is not in love with him, how can it possibly sympathize with Ginny? This is in no way an insult to Colin, just an observation. We all know how charming he can be, but we are not the general public, we're a group of Firth fan . If I had never seen Colin before, I wouldn't be able to understand what these two women found attractive in him. MP said she and JL both wanted Colin for the part of Jess At least they have taste :-) And they are right, he was the perfect choice. I can't even say that he wasn't utilized properly because I still have that gut feeling that his part was much larger when they were filming and the larger (most important) part of it was edited out. when I read the book I pictured MP as Jenny and JL as Rose. I just can't think of them the other way. JL is always so much more powerful than MP. I thought the same thing when I was reading the book. It wasn't until I got to a part I recognized from the trailers that I knew I was wrong. Then I had to go back and start all over.

(Renate)Arami, do you never sleep? :-)) I've slept all through my bloody life and now it's too late... (sorry, you've caught me in one of my bad moments... and perhaps Reisefieber auch.)

(Nan) I still have that gut feeling that his part was much larger when they were filming and the larger (most important) part of it was edited out. You see, this is what I can't understand: they get a script written, presumably agree on the story and the way it's told, get down to planning and filming it and then, ONLY THEN, all of a sudden start having second thoughts... What a bloody, stupid, unprofessional, destructive waste of time and effort. What a disappointment. If that's the way they treat directors here, I am thankful that I've failed in my youthful dream to be one.

ATA CORRECTION (Bethan) react to his father's blindness? (Nan) Ditto the above. Sorry, I mislead you with this answer...I just re-read my post and I didn't really make it clear--there is no mention of the accidental blindness in the book. For reasons which I am unable to explain I understood your question as figurative rather than literal "blindness"....DUH. Must have been late when I posted that :-) DIRECTORS IN AMERICA (Nan) I still have that gut feeling that his part was much larger when they were filming and the larger (most important) part of it was edited out. (Arami) You see, this is what I can't understand: they get a script written, presumably agree on the story and the way it's told, get down to planning and filming it and then, ONLY THEN, all of a sudden start having second thoughts... I think the key word here is "presumably"...somehow I don't believe that it always happens in such a neat and orderly fashion. I've heard many actors complain that scripts are sometimes significantly re-written as they are filming. Also, it depends on who has the contractual agreement for approval of the final cut, which frankly could be anyone (producer, director, starring actors), etc. Since JL & MP are the stars in this one as well as the producers they (and the studio) are to blame for the final resul . But you know what? People appear to be divided about this movie--some people like it, I just can't say that I'm one of them. PLAYMAKER Okay, who's starting this mess? ;-p It's got to be someone more objective than I because it seemed even worse to me this time (if that's possible) ;-)

ATA (Nan)Though we see no actual sex he is lying down, barechested after the romp with JL--so that was a cheap thrill. But ladies there is another LITTLE scene when he's putting on his shirt (this time he's standing) and he gives JL a sort of mini-"LOOK"--it was nice to see him do that again. Also, I noticed that the 2 times we see him without a shirt, there were several women in the audience who gasped, then giggled. I was tempted to go over and give them our URL because they were clearly there for the sa e reason I was--Mr. Sexy Pants! ;-) LOL!! Well, Nan, I actually expected worse - but (trying hard to find the good in such disappointing news), at least we get to see him barechested and fetching apres sex...and we get a mini-"LOOK"!! And I really love that there were other women out there in the audience who appreciated his "Jess"ness. Even with the terrible reviews (Entertainment Weekley gave it an "F"), I'm still incredibly anxious to see him, er, the movie. Wouldn't it be wonderful if his next movie could be equal in worth to his tal nts?? DARCY (Nan)I have to disagree with you here m'dear--I was quite warm by the time he said, "I rarely dance"...I was positively hot by "on foot?"---In fact, I'm kinda flushed just thinking about it ;-p Oh, the memories of the Meryton assembly...thanks, Nan. There was a nice mini-"LOOK" there after the insult, too - made me wobble - I was his from that moment on. ;-) PLAYMAKER (Nan)Okay, who's starting this mess? ;-p It's got to be someone more objective than I because it seemed even worse to me this time (if that's possible) ;-) Nan, you're breaking my heart!! LOL! Okay, let me dive right in...first a disclaimer: I am in no way advocating the merits of this movie, only the presence of Colin which is this film's only redeeming quality. I think he is seriously sexy here - when he toys with her scarf toward the beginning, the seductive smiles, the piano (I won't EVEN get into the scissors scene here), the shower, his naked derriere...Okay, I was also really turned on by an overly-clothed Darcy, too. Anyway, yes, it's a terrible, stinking excuse of a movie and, as we all love Colin, we never want to see him sink so low again (although, there are benefits...), no, no, we never want to see him waste his talents on any sub-B movies again. B t there's a cheesy earthiness to his acting here that is simply irresistable. :-)....

PLAYMAKER Okay, who's starting this mess? ;-p It's got to be someone more objective than I because it seemed even worse to me this time (if that's possible) ;-) Lets exorcise it! Here's my contribution to the mess (LOL!), some thoughts on the unhappy topic "Why is Playmaker such a bad film?", not necessarily in a logical or connected context: Ok, the story is hard to swallow. But there have been films before, based on unbelievable stories, which are not necessarily disgusting. For me the story already begins to fall apart when Jamie is tied to the wheelchair - what's the justification for that scene but to make the audience cringe? What I mean: if C's character turned out to be a madman, it would make sense. But no normal, intelligent person - and in particular not the soft character Michael (?) behind "Ross" could stand to watch it - ok, maybe for a lot of money.. But the Ross/Michael character is not very convincing: the miraculously successful coach is not a part anyone could *play* - how would Michael - a loser himself - know how to play a winner, let alone teach to be it? (But then, it would explain why the lessons are so hard to believe, but the film does not go for that) The film does not go into the characters, at no point, but shows them only from the outside, and leaves the audience to deduct himself - but gives no hints or false ones. When the now successful actress is asked it is such an untrue hint - it suggests that she's been through something dreadful - and we're in to discover what that may be - but this question is never answered. Disappointment is the result. It is directed like a cool, rational story, but the story would only work on the "thriller/mystery" level because of it's many implausablilities. Or probably it might have worked as a farce, or a comedy? This film has no humor whatsoever. BTW, I find films of the film industrie about themselves always strangely unsatisfying. As if there are no real persons but concepts. No life in PM. There's one scene I found rather convincing: in the kitchen with the pearls in the sink, a kind of peak in an elsewhere flat desert. I tried to make a SHORT summary that covers all relevant facts - I tried but got tied up with this confusing story. It's a nice revealing exercise that exposes the weaknesses of the script..... I lost track approximately when she calls the police.... don't have the tape here presently, so I cannot check myself.

ATA (Chey) MP said she and JL both wanted Colin for the part of Jess, so they had to know what a capable actor he is, so why would his part become so unimportant that anyone could have done it. Chey, Do you remember where you heard/read it? Did she say anything more about that?

HELLO HELLO!!!! Looks like you've all settled in nicely here....Nice place, oh Nan oh Nan of the irreplaceable, the adorable, the one, the only INCROYABLE! ;-.) You seem to be doing a great job! I see Nan has already written an excellent review of ATA. I think I'll just add a few of my own, to hers...(Her post #186, that is...) Overall I am disappointed. Not only am I in agreement with most of the unfavorable reviews, but I think some of them were too generous. For starters, there were 47 people in a theatre that seats over 500 (on opening night in the middle of NYC)--this was a bad sign right from the beginning. Generally speaking, I didn't think it was THAT horrible. I thought it was just kind'a ....flat, like the land. It's hard to say if I would have been able to tell what was really going on with each character, if I hadn't had read the novel first. But there are two things about the movie that I am sort of pleased with: They were quite faithful to the book unlike most screen adaptations I've seen and I like the fact that they didn't overdramatize anything or they didn't try to present it as more of a tearjerker or a melodrama, than the book already suggests. This could have easily been the case with this book IMHO. For that (and for that alone!) I thought it was tastefully done. I agree with Nan about the editing, but I thought Emma2's editing was much worse than this one. The movie was sort of boring to watch, and defin tely not captivating. If they didn't cut as much as they did, it was probably going to be more boring. Although I agree that because of the cuts, things just sort of hang...period. I saw it in a small theater... and it was half full. The average age of the audience was around 60! 80% women. Nobody cried! Including me.... and I am a softie! When the movie was over, I glanced at some faces around me and didn't see any signs of emotions. Couldn't tell if they enjoyed it or if they were moved by it. Everybody just left very quietly, not really speaking to one another. 1) Now I understand why the screenwriter and director both want no association with this movie--if I were either of them I'd be crawling into a hole until the storm blew over. It makes neither look very skilled. I think that not wanting to be associated with this movie is a bit extreme. Surely it is not a masterpiece and they probably are not going to be receiving any awards for the movie but still, it wasn't that bad, I thought. .... 4)They barely touched on the importance of Jess. In the book he is a far more pivotal character. It didn't seem to me that either JL or MP were particularly in love with him (or even very fond of him for that matter). So it's quite difficult to believe that MP's relationship with him would create tension between the two sisters. They removed the entire part about the poisoned sausages. The impact of emotions created by 2 sisters being in love (or lust :-p) with the same man is virtually avoided. YES! Also, the tomato planting scene, the scene when Ty brings Jess to dinner unannounced (I read the book back In March. If I remember correctly there had to be a seen like that, which could have helped people understand at least part of Ginny's attraction to Jess), and the scenes when Ginny is "aware" of HIS presence at all times and her having a separate eye for HIM only, were all eliminated. There is one scene where Jess softly touches her skin at the back of her neck (Yes!!!!! It was somewhat electri ying to watch! But only because it was CF and I have an active imagination!!! And if I hadn't known who it was, the scene would have done nothing for me....the two had no chemistry at all) in the kitchen. I don't remember reading something like that in the book. Is there such a scene? Somebody pray tell.. 5) Jason Robards is imposing for all of 5 minutes...then he just needs to be slapped. :-) Same for JJL I though JR did a great job with the character. JJL spooked me out though. She is weird! 6) Poor Colin is relegated to what amounts to a cameo in a role that could have (and should have) been able to at least get him noticed. That's the problem...you almost don't notice any of the men. Pete (MP's husband) is supposed to be volatile, but charming--all you get is a half-hearted attempt at both of those qualities. Ty (JL's husband) is supposed to be dependable and likable in an easygoing fashion--he just comes off as whiny and self serving. Dear Colin seems like just a little diversion a oppo ed to the object of lust he was in the book. I simply couldn't understand why any of these people would be attracted to any of the others. Ain't that the truth! I also didn't like the joke Pete told everyone during the the monopoly game. In the book, Pete had to be very likeable and fun to be with and this comes out mostly during the monopoly games. To handle this (I suppose!), they wrote this dirty joke for him to tell and for all the other characters in the room to laugh out loud and for the audience to go "Oh I get it, they are having fun and Pete is funny"... Didn't work for me... ... And now the good things--yes, aside from my complaints above there were a few :-p (mostly Colin, of course): 1)...the first time we see him is from the back (which I would have recognized anywhere) wearing a light, white summer shirt. In that one shot his back is so big it looks like Texas.:-D ... ALREADY!!!! Let's get to the important stuff now! FIRST: Count the moles game! I think I've discovered another mole that I've never seen before!!!! I don't know how I could've missed this one. Gotta go watch the advocate or P&P again and look for this particular mole. It is visible, when you see Jess the very first time. The camera approaches from Jess' right and from above.. moves downward to the left. You get a full shot of his back at one point. Right there at the back of his neck, slightly above the collar of his shirt, there seems to be another mole has this mole been discovered before? If not, I claim all rights to it! ;-.) 3) There are a couple of scenes where he is jogging and it's nice to see him sweat again! LOL! I loved it!!!! A little WETness too! His form is excellent.. He runs just like he walks... long strides... Did you take notice Nan? 4)His American midwestern accent is quite convincing, though it is a little nasal and words ending in "r" are very pronounced. It is strange to hear him talk without the lovely British accent and I've decided that it suits him much better...he should stick with roles where he can speak in the way that is natural for him. His voice is just as deep and manly, but somehow not as appealing as say...Darcy perhaps ;-p or even Joe in Femme Fatale. His accent was okay but his voice was not, I thought. There was one scene where he's walking in a room and stops and turns slightly to say something. It reminded me of Darcy during the first proposal scene, even though the facial expression was quite different (he was not in agony! What a pity! ;-.)). I held my breath in, thinking that his British accent was going to slip out, as if it was live, ... silly me! Nan, do you remember this scene? Or was I daydreaming? It sort of took my breath away :-.D 5)There is a rather physical scene where Jess justifiably punches his father--ooooh I love a man who gets a little physical :-D And right before that, there is a scene described as follows in the book: "He (Harold) leaned toward me. 'Bitch! Bitch!' Now Jess stretched out his arm, his hand open at the end of it, and pushed Harold's face backward. It was a strange gesture, violent an gentle at the same time." I don't know why but I enjoyed this scene very much. It was exactly as described. He did it beautifully, and this was the only scene where I could cheer for Jess. I didn't miss the opportunity ;-.) 6)Colin's name is high on the credits, before all the other men...not that it makes up for most of his part being mutilated, but it's something anyway. I had high hopes re- this movie too...But after seeing the movie, and looking back at the character of Jess, I now don't think that this was meant to be a demanding role for him. It doesn't come anywhere close to utilizing his superb acting, even if they had not cut most of his scenes and lines. He was just meant to be noticed by his looks maybe. He looked gorgeous but there were no frontal face shots (is that the right term?) except for the smiling one at the very beginning. 7)... But ladies there is another LITTLE scene when he's putting on his shirt (this time he's standing) and he gives JL a sort of mini-"LOOK"-- Gasp!!!! Oh no!!!! I must have missed this one!!!!! 8)There are a couple of scenes where he is looking very relaxed, almost as if you were standing next to him at a party. Little smile on his face, beer in his hand. I was imagining (or hoping?) that that is what he is really like. There was one full length shot of him leaning, by the door, a bottle in his hand, one knee bent, in dark jeans and t-shirt.. Mmmmm... mmmm! Yummy!!! Most 'noticeable' shot of him in the whole movie, if you ask me! He looks soooo gorgeous and soooo approachable this scene girls! I got the feeling that I was at a party with him too!!!! Wouldn't that be something! ;-.) But... beer? Was that beer? I thought he (Jess) never had beer.. he should have been drinking coke! Anyway, I think most of our disappointment is partly due to our not seeing him in anything else this year. It's been a long wait and we were all very anxious to see this movie... and the reality didn't come close to our expectations. What I was hoping that we would see 'some' 'look's from him, in the movie. There was only one that I noticed. It was at the very beginning, when Ginny, Rose and Jess meet at the party. He gives Rose this 'look', but it is shot from the side so you don't get to see his eyes... Ugh! :-.( And I didn't even like that part because it looked like Jess was trying to decide who to seduce... It was as if he was selecting his prey, in that scene... But maybe that's just me. I was looking for the looks as described in the book, for example: "Jess stared me down, that audacious twinkle again." Now I would have loved to see that! I guess this is all... I know it's too late and too little (or maybe more than you care?) but Nan did such an excellent job that there was nothing really much left to say...I crowded your screens anyway ;-.) Megan

Beloved Megan of the WET SHIRT!! :-.) ;-.) ;-.D How glad I am to see you dear!! I'll come back to answer later (I want to get out of my office while I still can). Just wanted you to know that I'm quite tickled! ;-D

Glad to be here dearest! Thanks for the warm welcome! BTW, sorry for the mess I made out of this first post. I guess I should have done some editing before hitting that ol' submit button eh? Will do, next time...

Welcome, Megan! Glad to "see" you again , and you started in a really impressive way. Thanks for your review on ATA. What do you mean: a mess, and about editing? Do you refer to the inadvertent jumps into the next lines combined with a loss of a letter? That's a charming little software bug :-.)) Yapp-bin has a speech impediment: it stutters now and then and swallows letters. I only mention it to remind you to be careful with what you write about certain pieces of Regency swim suits, ....if you get my meaning?! ;-*))

ATA This is going to be rather rushed, so much to say, so little time! Here goes, a hotchpotch of views, mainly other people's! From my extensive net surfing, a few points. Jason Robards commented that they were re-writing throughout the shooting and no-one knew which scenes were being left in/out. Jocelyn Morehouse (Director) complained to the Directors Guild that control of the movie had been taken away from her, and had her complaint upheld. On the website for ATA, there is extensive background information on the actual production. JM comments on her choice of Colin for the role of Jess. She liked him in Valmont and Appartment Zero, and thought that he could portray inten ity and an unusual troubled quality.She also said that he has a very strong physical presence. Her comments on the casting of other male roles are also very thoughtful. Which leads me to think that her interpretation of male roles may have been much more complex. . I would love to see the Director's cut. Reaction to ATA. Only going on the reviews obviously - they seemed to be very good or very bad. But there were several favourable reactions. I found one which referred to "Oscar awards abounding for the multi-talented cast..incredible performances in a dreamlike cast which included in the subordinate roles CF,KC and KA" (mention for Colin, Hooray!) But this review also says "When I saw it, it was a rough cut" - was this the final cut? We shall never know! Anyway I'll wait to see it. But to put this in perpective, I think that part of the problem (and sense of disappointment) is that of great expectations not met. Very few movies are really good, most get a critical panning. Airforce One and My Friend's Wedding have both just opened here with mixed to indifferent reviews. If I'm honest, there are very few movies that I really love - I just want to really like everything with which Colin is associated. But maybe that's not possible. But I have to say, NO more cameos please, particularly after Darcy! I can't take it any more!! :-) Hopefully, his next roles seem to lead roles. Overall, on ATA I can't see it boosting his Hollywood career, but it surely won't damage it. It would seem to demonstrate his good looks and some versatility, and at least it's a straightforward masculine role. So many British actors end up playing deranged terrorists, or exploding aliens or over-the-top camp roles... or butlers! As to a Hollywood career, I'm rea ly very doubtful if he wants one. He has said that he only got the part in ATA because he happened to be in LA visiting his son Will (not casting directors!).Re cameos - another comment of his that I distinctly remember reading is that he told some reporters at an Awards Ceremony that he was rather worried after completing P&P2 because for the first time in ten or eleven years, offers of work actually dried up on him and he was concerned incase he was typecast. Perhaps his range of choices hasn't been as extensive as we would imagine - and expect. WHAT SIZE ARE THEY (his shoes!) (Arami) I guess size 13! BTW how do you know this?!:-) Enjoy your trip to the States! WOM (Marilyn) His wife in WOM is played by Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, whom I've only ever seen in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves, opposite Kevin Costner. If he's filming Secret Laughter of Women, his co-star would be Teresa Randall who was in Spike Lee's Girl 6. I like Spike Lee's movies, but haven't seen this one. Enough.. must get back to work!

Oh my god, I'm totally exhausted reading more than sixty messages after having been absent for eight days. ATA Should I feel sad or furious about the waste of skill, time and money? I have to agree with Bethan that it's hard to meet high expectations and that there are only a few really good movies. I had some hopes that this film would push Colin's career forward. The reports of changing the script during filming remind me of Billy Wilder, who decided to direct his own movies because he hated what producers and directors did to his scripts. And he made some of the best movies I know, but I'm a little of topic now. (Bethan) So many British actors end up playing deranged terrorists, or exploding aliens or over-the-top camp roles... or butlers! I don't dare to think of the roles german actors play in Hollywood -- Armin Mueller-Stahl being an exeception. I'm joining the chorus: could someone please offer Colin a leading role in a movie! Playmaker As Renate is doing I'm still trying to figure out why this film is so bad. Generally speaking I don't like movies which get a totally different meaning in the middle or at the end of the plot. There are no rewind buttons on the seats in a cinema. At home watching a video you can take a second look, but Playmaker fails here giving no hints that things aren't quite the way they seem. The two story lines (teaching how to act and the mystery story) don't fit together and contradict themselves. "Witness for the prosecution" (Billy Wilder again) is a good example for a film with an unexpected story twist that works. It's good to see Colin in so many scenes and I like his way of portraing the two different characters. What I really hate about the movie is the mental violence or should I say mental rape shown in the first part. It makes me feel sick and I don't think that it is a convincing method to teach acting. Some minor things which seem odd to me: 1. The Lois Lane syndrom: why doesn't Micheal recogize Jaime earlier? 2. Blindfolding: when Ross tells Jaime to kiss him she must know that he isn't there, she certainly can hear that his voice comes from a speaker. 3. Why does the barkeeper chooses such a difficult method to kill Ross? I'm astonished how much I have to say about a bad movie, it's like a grain of and in a mussel.

Yapp-bin has a speech impediment: it stutters now and then and swallows letters. I only mention it to remind you to be careful with what you write about certain pieces of Regency swim suits, ....if you get my meaning?! ;-*)) LOL! Uh-oh! What's one to do then!? Count the lines? It seems to pick on the sixth line of each paragraph. I'll just watch out for that but if I know you, you'd make an attempt to put my beloved item or my name on the sixth line on purpose ;-.)

I'VE GOT TEP! Have to watch it now, come back later! :-))

Renate, I am sorry but I can't remeber where I got the info about Michelle and Jessica selecting Colin, maybe I just assumed it since they were the producers and obviously had a huge say in who would be in the movie. I am just dying for Colin to do another "Darcy like" role. I don't care if it is type-casting...GIVE US A BREAK, COLIN!! DO ANOTHER LEADING MAN SEXY HISTORICAL COSTUME DRAMA! There, I got that out. Now back to P&P tapes.

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Wonderfully exhaustive - and exhausting - posts, ladies. I'm leaving in a few hours, can't stop. No, they're not size 13 (his shoes)! LOL! I know from looking at his soles... Any more guesses? (Renate, did you get die Mitteilung?) Will talk to you when I'm back. Two and a half weeks! I shall go distracted... Bye!

SHOE SIZE (Arami) No, they're not size 13 (his shoes)! LOL! I know from looking at his soles... Any more guesses? Have to check all his films mentally (or actually) to find out where you probably got it from.... (Renate, did you get ..........) No! I shall go distracted... Bye! Remember, there's something like Internet caf�s.....

RENATE'S MOVIE GAME First of all, I think Colin would have been great in "Jack and Sarah", Nan - good call! Richard E. Grant bothered me too much in "Pret A Porter" for me to like him in J&S - aha! a movie that's stinkier than Playmaker!! I would love to see Colin play a Daddy - I've not come close to seeing all his movies, but has he ever played one?? Anyway, Renate, this is a wonderful game...let's see...he's too handsome to play Rochester, but so was Timothy Dalton (sigh) and I would rather see him in this new "Jane Eyre" adaptation than Ciaran Hinds (although I think he's a wonderful actor - he doesn't make me drool). I really want to see him in a Darcy-like role, BUT with more passion! This is just my opinion, but he could do most any Cary Grant remake, like "To Catch a Thief" or "An Affair to Remember" - really any movie with love scenes and "LOOKS". Oh, I just remembered, it has to be an American movie - assuming he's not required to lose his adorable accent - how about "Sleepless in Seattle" (sort o "An Affair to Remember")? - I'm a sucker for that one - or "Nine Months", but he can't be as big a jerk as HG. I'll have to think on this some more... ANOTHER GAME?? Can we play another game in conjunction with Renate's?? I was mulling over leading man roles that Colin could play and there were some that were just too perfectly cast in the original (i.e., Kevin Costner in Bull Durham), but the actor in that role made you weak, faint, sigh...you get the picture. Anyway, the obvious one is Colin as Darcy, and (personally) Jeremy Northam as Knightley makes me pretty swoony - do y'all have any favorites??

MOVIE GAME (Nan) I've been thinking about this (snip) and I know I'll have all kinds of others popping up over time. I imagined it to be an easy game, but I have discovered myself that it is not .... I have to think really hard if I don't just refurniture my favourite movies. Romance: "Sabrina" was such a film I was not at all happy with. I think it could be much improved by the presence of the Firth brothers and Juliette Binoche. Western: In the Seventies there was a Sergio-Leone-Italo-Western - don't know it's Original title - with Klaus Kinski as the killer Loco and Jean Louis Trintignant as Silence, the quiet, tortured, mute anti-hero. Guess as whom I would like to see CF? GHOST (Nan) But my very first thought was the Patrick Swayze part in "Ghost"--think about all that anguish and tell me that Colin wouldn't have been perfect for that role. "Ghost" disappointed me. Too much special effects, not enough truth. Particularly the ending turned me down, when the ghosts - woooosshhh - come or go like in Indiana Jones. Have you ever seen A. Minghella's attempt at the same topic: 'Truly, Madly, Deeply'. Much less state of the art in terms of cinematography and special effects, but deeply human and with a lot of truth. It deals seriously with grief and loss, but is nevertheless very funny. One of my all-time-favourites. I would not want to see anyone o replace Alan Rickman as Jamie. He was perfect. (Though, come to think of it.... :-)) ) Also, there's a sweet little movie (but it's not American) called "Jack & Sarah" Agreed!

ATA (Nan): I think I didn't cry because I didn't feel at all close to these people so my compassion was limited. My sentiments exactly. But maybe it was better this way. Otherwise it could have been yucky. (Nan): Bottle of Bud dear, I looked real close-like ;-p BTW, he's also holding a plastic cup of beer in the first scene we see him (hereafter to be known as the "back like Texas scene") :-p There goes another side of his character then. Guess they couldn't make a deal with Coca Cola ;-) , hence Jess becomes a beer drinker. never mind the novel.... (Megan): ... back of his neck, slightly above the collar of his shirt, there seems to be another mole. Has this mole been discovered before? If not, I claim all rights to it! ;-.) (Nan): LOL! Starting soon, you are! ;-D I can't say that I noticed it (I was delighted just to see him at all) so I guess it's yours m'dear--first come, first served ya know? ;-.p It's settled then. That one is mine girls ;-.) BTW, how do you ladies get here? "New" does not seem to be working for me. Neither does 'since -7'...Although 'since -7' seems to be better than 'new' even though I see responses dated Sep 6, 7 etc...

BTW, how do you ladies get here? "New" does not seem to be working for me. Neither does 'since -7'...Although 'since -7' seems to be better than 'new' even though I see responses dated Sep 6, 7 etc... Generally I come in through new drool. If I'm in a rush I come "through the back door" as Renate says, meaning new Colin then I back up using the redisplay if I need to refer to anyone else's message. When you day the "New" isn't working--what do you mean? Here's a few places for you to try: New Drool New Colin New Keepsakes Hope this helps my little poochie-pie! ;-D

Oh another thing...obviously that New Colin wll do nothing but refresh the page you're on but I stuck it in anyway...;-.)

MOVIE GAME (#193) (Marilyn) .let's see...he's too handsome to play Rochester, but so was Timothy Dalton (sigh) Liked TD, too, but the bad mask where you see his eye move under the supposed-to-be-terrible-scar in the last scene turned me down! Physically I imagine Rochester much more like Ciaran Hinds than as TD or William Hurt, f.e. (who did a good job also, IMO). But I'm ready to switch to a lanky Rochester with brown chocolate eyes! In terms of looks I am convinced that CF would be much more fitting as the scruffy, torn, moody, darkly brooding, exccentric Rochester than TD, who has a completely other kind of good looks. What I mean: TD will ALWAYS look dashing, whatever he does, because of his features - he's the opposite of the unmade-bed. But Colin's attraction comes from an "inner light" (how pathetic of me!) which he can switch on and off, which is exactly the quality I imagine for Rochesters abrupt moods and strange behaviour. Though I don't want to see Colin as the old gypsy! �h! ..., but he could do most any Cary Grant remake......... I'm with you! What about 'Notorious'?! .... "An Affair to Remember" ..... "Sleepless in Seattle" Have you ever tried these both films as a Double Feature on your couch on a rainy Sunday afternoon? Highly recommend, but don't forget your handkerchief. :-)) Oooops, looks like I have violated my own rules in my last message with bringing in an obsure italo-western. ! I said, major American productions, and: describe Colin's attitude and looks as detailed as possible. I mean, DROOL! If we don't actually get to see him in big parts, at least we can imagine! SABRINA Linus: we - at least I - have not yet seen Colin as businessman. In a dark, very well cut 3-piece-suit, elegant shoes, his hair cut short, neatly combed, no hair out of place! - Bethan and Nan, I think you can contribute more to this picture! He is cold and unimpressed with women (Oh, well, we HAVE seen him do that before: Darcy!), but knows how to seduce a business partner into what he wants. That's his approach to the poor Sabrina. He uses his confidence and calculating charme to make her fall in love w th him. (Oh, that's Valmont!). But then he cannot help but gradually, reluctantly falling for her fine eyes :-) - imagine his glances when he takes her out to dinner, dances with her, and discovers he enjoys her company more than anything before in his life - and then faces the fact that he has to betray her trust - I think I have to get the Sabrina tape and then rearrange scene by scene in my mind...... :-)) WESTERN Two of my favourites have leads that are simply perfect, and should not be replaced, not even in our imagination. It's Costner in Dances with Wolves, and Eastwood in Unforgiven. MARILYN, it looks like your game is inseparable linked to 'mine', and you are absolutely right about Bull Durham! Have to think more about Western and Colin (strange, I know). "Pale Rider"? He would look good in every Woody Allan movie, don't you think? Well, I needed a little pleasing stuff after such a lot of Playmaker and ATA, but will return to it ... later. :-)) HOW TO GET HERE (Megan) BTW, how do you ladies get here? "New" does not seem to be working for me. Neither does 'since -7'...Although 'since -7' seems to be better than 'new' even though I see responses dated Sep 6, 7 etc... Do you come in through the drool menu or do you type in the URL? Fastest and most reliable way for me is to type in the URL (resp. it's bookmarked in my browser): http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/51/new then I go to "Redisplay" for the last so-and-so messages. You just have to keep in mind at what response # we are approximately. This way you can avoid unnecessary long loading times. Don't know if this answers your question?

Thanks Nan and Renate! Redisplay approach, I like the best so far... :-.) Why Renata, Re ate? ;-.))))))) Just a typo?

WHY? WHY AN "A"? WHY NOT AN "E"? Why Renata, Re ate? ;-.))))))) Just a typo? n, Mega, n! nnnnnn! ....About "Renata": No typo. It happened when I tried to register first time - Tom Yapp-bin did not accept my first attempt with "Renate" - so I had to try something else. It's the first time I have accepted a variation of my name - in fact I like it - it's Italian, you know ;-.)).

Sorry...litte swamped that last few days ;-.) RENATE'S MOVIE GAME (Marilyn) I would love to see Colin play a Daddy - I've not come close to seeing all his movies, but has he ever played one?? I don't think so...Renate--how about you? This is just my opinion, but he could do most any Cary Grant remake, like "To Catch a Thief" or "An Affair to Remember" Of course!! Cary Grant works for me. Though I can't say I'd want to see him do anything but the very romantic ones like "An Affair to Remember". I can't see Colin in "Bringing Up Baby". :-p "Sleepless in Seattle" (sort of "An Affair to Remember")? - I'm a sucker for that one I'm strangely ambivalent about that movie: some days I like it, others it bores me. Dunno. SABRINA (Renate) "Sabrina" was such a film I was not at all happy with. I think it could be much improved by the presence of the Firth brothers and Juliette Binoche. Though I could see Colin in that movie, I've never seen his brother in anything so I can't form an opinion. But I liked "Sabrina", not in love with it though. I thought it was a nice, pleasant way to spend 2 hours. Also I'm a sucker for any movie with Edith Piaf songs on the soundtrack :-p I thought Julia Ormond was very likable (but I often confuse her with Juliette Binoche--so, funny you should mention her). (Renate) Linus: we - at least I - have not yet seen Colin as businessman. In a dark, very well cut 3-piece-suit, elegant shoes, his hair cut short, neatly combed, no hair out of place! - Bethan and Nan, I think you can contribute more to this picture! Aaaaah to see him so clean!! *sigh* Do I get to pick out his tie? ;-p He is cold and unimpressed with women (Oh, well, we HAVE seen him do that before: Darcy!), but knows how to seduce a business partner into what he wants. That's his approach to the poor Sabrina. He uses his confidence and calculating charme to make her fall in love with him. (Oh, that's Valmont!). But then he cannot help but gradually, reluctantly falling for her fine eyes :-) - imagine his glances when he takes her out to dinner, dances with her, and discovers he enjoys her company more than anything efore in his life - and then faces the fact that he has to betray her trust - I think I have to get the Sabrina tape and then rearrange scene by scene in my mind...... :-)) Ohh, Renate---that was good! That just got me all excited. I have to get more descriptive in my next suggestion... In the Seventies there was a Sergio-Leone-Italo-Western I have a problem picturing Colin in a western..then again, I don't really like westerns very much so I haven't seen that many. Two of my favourites have leads that are simply perfect, and should not be replaced, not even in our imagination. It's Costner in Dances with Wolves, I know this is sacrilege, but I don't really love DWW. Don't get me wrong, I own it and all (because of the glorious bare-butted Kevin Costner), but I do think it's dreadfully long and I can't get past Mary McWhatever's hair...also she reminds me of my former sister-in-law :-p and Eastwood in Unforgiven. I can never argue with Eastwood...great movie too. (Renate) ooops, looks like I have violated my own rules in my last message with bringing in an obsure italo-western. ! I said, major American productions, American movies are hard to come up with. Since seeing ATA and concluding that he needs to keep his British accent, it considerably limits the parts he can play in American films...or at least the ones I could think of...;-p MARILYN, it looks like your game is inseparable linked to 'mine', and you are absolutely right about Bull Durham! Oh to have a man named "Crash"! LOL! WOODY ALLEN (Renate) He would look good in every Woody Allan movie, don't you think? Hmmm...that's interesting. What roles would you imagine him playing? I love a good Woody Allen movie. He's too young to play the Michael Caine role in "Hannah". And although I adore the movie, there are no flattering roles at all in "Love and Death". ;-) "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex"--there's got to be a part for him in there somewhere!;-p GHOST (Renate) "Ghost" disappointed me. Too much special effects, not enough truth. I know what you mean, it's not one of my favorites. That could be because Demi Moore irritates me, but Whoopi Goldberg makes up for it ;-) Particularly the ending turned me down, when the ghosts - woooosshhh - come or go like in Indiana Jones. Ooooh I like that part. I love that supernatural, science fiction kinda ghostly stuff. Guilty pleasure of mine ;-p Have you ever seen A. Minghella's attempt at the same topic: 'Truly, Madly, Deeply'. Much less state of the art in terms of cinematography and special effects, but deeply human and with a lot of truth. It deals seriously with grief and loss, but is nevertheless very funny. One of my all-time-favourites. I have seen it and I loved it. But I think that, even though the subject matter is similar, the movies are very different and are purposely going in two different directions. If I remember right Jamie dies in an accident, whereas Swayze's character (can't remember the name) is murdered. So you have not only the element of grief to deal with, but the murder to solve, the murderer flirting with Demi Moore and that creepy ghost who shows PS the ropes. Let's face it, TMD is a far classier movie and was mean to be more realistic in terms of emotions. I also like that it's a little quirky. "Ghost" was a little too mainstream. Tearjerker, chick movie is how I'd catagorize it. Anyway, the point is that I can't picture anyone but Alan Rickman in TMD, but I had no problem seeing Colin do Ghost. But like I mentioned before, I could just want to see that pottery scene and there are a lot of "looks" in that movie ;-) (Nan) Also, there's a sweet little movie (but it's not American) called "Jack & Sarah" (Renate) Agreed! I can't believe both you and Marilyn even knew the movie.:-) I saw a preview for it on another tape I rented and I went right out to get it. I'd never even heard of it before then. MORE CONTRIBUTIONS TO RENATE'S GAME You're all going to goof on me for this, but I have a real weak spot for a movie (which bombed BTW) called "Somewhere in Time" with Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour. Something about Colin dressed in clothing from the turn of the century, obsessed with going back in time to find his true love, really really appeals to me. :-) Also, I think he'd made a great Nick Arnstein in Funny Girl...suave, sophisticated, madly in love, stunningly handsome, obsessive gambler...okay so he's a jerk too...:-p ATA (Nan): I think I didn't cry because I didn't feel at all close to these people so my compassion was limited. (Megan) My sentiments exactly. But maybe it was better this way. Otherwise it could have been yucky. LOL! Yucky indeed...all those faults and a weeper too! TOM YAPP-BIN (Megan) Why Renata, Re ate? ;-.))))))) Just a typo? (Renate)Tom Yapp-bin did not accept my first attempt with "Renate"... LOL!! :-D ANOTHER GAME?? (Marilyn) I was mulling over leading man roles that Colin could play and there were some that were just too perfectly cast in the original (i.e., Kevin Costner in Bull Durham) Oh you know it sister!! :-) but the actor in that role made you weak, faint, sigh...you get the picture. Anyway, the obvious one is Colin as Darcy, and (personally) Jeremy Northam as Knightley makes me pretty swoony - do y'all have any favorites?? Oh, Robert Redford in "The Way We Were"...Aaaaaah (sigh of deep contentment). Richard Chamberlain in "The Thornbirds" (priestly clothing and all). Richard Gere in "Pretty Woman" (and I'm not a huge Gere fan, but that was great casting). Shall I continue...?;-p

RENATE'S MOVIE GAME / DADDY? (Marilyn) I would love to see Colin play a Daddy - I've not come close to seeing all his movies, but has he ever played one?? (Nan) I don't think so...Renate--how about you? Fever Pitch - he plays a man soon-to-become-a-daddy - very cute! - and, from all what I hear we will see him in 'World of Moss / My life so far' where he plays a father with rather exccentric habits. BTW, I tried to get the book on which it is based "Son of Adam" (by Sir Denis Forman (sp?))- they told me it's out of print since 1991 or so. No paperback yet. Has anybody else ever checked or ordered it? (Ok, I have not yet tried Amazon). SABRINA (Nan) I thought Julia Ormond was very likable (but I often confuse her with Juliette Binoche--so, funny you should mention her). Please don't mix them up anymore. Take a look. Much as I respect JO, JB plays in another league. I think of JB as the original and of JO as a copy - still fairly good, but no comparison. And in Sabrina JO had a VERY silly ennerving laugh. COLIN AS LINUS *sigh* Do I get to pick out his tie? ;-p His tie and whatever you want ;-.)=) (Nan) .... I have to get more descriptive in my next suggestion... Yes, please! Dances With Wolves ........and I can't get past Mary McWhatever's hair...also she reminds me of my former sister-in-law :-p Donnell. Mary McDonnell. I don't think either she was all that perfectly cast, but I liked her and her character very much, so it worked well for me. The whole film had such an "honest" feeling about it that I perhaps would even have accepted your sister-in-law as Stands-with-a-Fist. :-)) (Nan) American movies are hard to come up with. Since seeing ATA and concluding that he needs to keep his British accent, it considerably limits the parts he can play in American films...or at least the ones I could think of...;-p That is what makes this game interesting! WOODY ALLEN (Nan)"Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex"--there's got to be a part for him in there somewhere!;-p I cannot imagine him as a sperm or any other Woody Allen character, but since he is so good at playing tortured and/or neurotics there should be a heap of roles for him in WA films. ANOTHER GAME?? Oh, Robert Redford in "The Way We Were".. I'm afraid I will never understand what anybody can find in this film. Nan, are you a Barbra Steisand fan? I mean, with Funny Lady and so... Richard Chamberlain in "The Thornbirds" (priestly clothing and all). I confess: Many year ago I had a crush on Richard Chamberlain - still like him today. There was a TV Miniseries of "Portrait of a Lady" and he was the cousin whats-his-name. Does anyone remember - the series, not the name? BTW, in the novel the cousin was described as lanky, his limbs loosely put together... doesn't it remember you of someone? Or did anyone see the new version with Martin Donovan in that part? After all, MD is not only a vey good actor, but also a gifted director - for those who don't ha e the whole Colin encyclopedia in their head: he directed Apartement Zero.

JO VS. JB (Renate)Please don't mix them up anymore. Take a look. Much as I respect JO, JB plays in another league. I think of JB as the original and of JO as a copy - still fairly good, but no comparison. Sorry, I should have been clearer--I was talking about visually (the have the same "look"), not comparing them as actresses. In fact I don't think I've seen enough of the work of either to comment with any accuracy. Dances With Wolves (Nan)........and I can't get past Mary McWhatever's hair...also she reminds me of my former sister-in-law :-p (Renate) Donnell. Mary McDonnell. I don't think either she was all that perfectly cast, I also thought she was too old (or looked to old) to play that part--or rather too old for Kevin :-) but I liked her and her character very much, so it worked well for me. The whole film had such an "honest" feeling about it that I perhaps would even have accepted your sister-in-law as Stands-with-a-Fist. :-)) Well, I don't know about that--she was quite flaky and insincere...again, she just looks like MM. WOODY ALLEN (Nan)"Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex"--there's got to be a part for him in there somewhere!;-p (Renate)I cannot imagine him as a sperm or any other Woody Allen character, No, me either. Actually I was thinking of the Gene Wilder part with "Daisy"...LOL!! ANOTHER GAME?? (Nan)Oh, Robert Redford in "The Way We Were".. I'm afraid I will never understand what anybody can find in this film. Nan, are you a Barbra Steisand fan? I mean, with Funny Lady and so... Not particularly, though I do think she was wonderful in "Funny Girl". It's Robert Redford that I like...;-p (Renate) I confess: Many year ago I had a crush on Richard Chamberlain - still like him today. There was a TV Miniseries of "Portrait of a Lady" and he was the cousin whats-his-name. Does anyone remember - the series, not the name? I don't remember that at all. And I just love Richard Chamberlain--he's getting better with age. BTW, in the novel the cousin was described as lanky, his limbs loosely put together... doesn't it remember you of someone? Aha! You've found another part for him Renate--you should be his agent. :-0

Still here, but it's very difficult for me to get on the computer these days so whatever I say will have to be short! ATA Still have to stress how incredibly difficult it is for any British actor to break into mainstream Hollywood. At least he's in there with an A'list cast and looks good! RENATE's MOVIE GAME Any role as played by James Stewart or Henry Fonda (decent, caring, masculine), I'm a fan of old movies. Would also like to see him do a strong, contemporary, film,dealing with social, moral issues. And how about a stage revival of Pygmalion (not My Fair Lady) with Jennifer Ehle as Eliza! My guess is that he may do some theatre - he said he wanted to. TEP VIDEO Have loads to say on TEP, but not the time! Have studied Colin's role and as ever he does a lot with very little. Video playbacks have made me aware of lots of subtleties which you don't catch on screen - it's two roles in one - schoolboyish socialite and intelligence officer, Looks very robust and masculine in some shots - I like the first shots when he introduces himself and comments "broken car" etc. Have to say I have many reservations about the script - really overrated. The ending is trite and unconvincing. And I don't find blatant adultery "romantic" or particularly moving!

RENATE's MOVIE GAME (Nan) It's Robert Redford that I like...;-p Now you mention RR - I remember there was a RR/Demi Moore film about 2 years ago, where he paid a million dollar or so to spend a night with DM. Oh dear. Refurniture THIS film the right way, and it will improve TREMENDOUSLY. But I'm afraid the plot would not work at all, because no one would understand why Colin would have to pay for a love night, and anyway why with DM at all? To compare muscles? She does not even have a mole in the right place. You'd have to make it the other way around. Let's say ... Linda Fiorentino, or, still better, Kristin Scott-Thomas would play the milliardaire who meets Colin in a shop where he tries on a new t-shirt and jeans. When he smiles at her, she coughs up a million dollar .... That's what I call a credible script! (Nan) Aha! You've found another part for him Renate--you should be his agent. :-0 Well, that's a good idea! Believe me, he could have no better or more caring agent :-))!!!! First I would see for the remakes of: The 4 Musketeers (Athos, and the story told - for a change - from Athos pov) The Fisher King (both leading parts) Nine and a half week (with me) :-.)=)..... (Bethan) Any role as played by James Stewart or Henry Fonda (decent, caring, masculine), I'm a fan of old movies. Gary Cooper!!! (Bethan) Would also like to see him do a strong, contemporary film, dealing with social, moral issues. Good point. We've never seen him up to now in a movie like this - and it's no use to look for it in Hollywood. I'd love to see him opposite Helen Mirren or Robby Coltrane in Prime Suspect resp. Cracker. Wouldn't that be great? My guess is that he may do some theatre - he said he wanted to. How I wish you were right! Tell me it is so and I'm on the plane... TEP VIDEO And I don't find blatant adultery "romantic" or particularly moving! Except when with Colin ----- :-)) (Sorry, Bethan, there a situations where moral issues must come second)

Just checking in on my way out...I have a birthday party to attend for my godson. As soon as I get back I'll get to posting--I'm feeling quite drooly today :-)

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ATA (Bethan) Still have to stress how incredibly difficult it is for any British actor to break into mainstream Hollywood. At least he's in there with an A'list cast and looks good! I guess we have to take what little we can get, but it is all the more frustrating because our desperately handsome man is so very talented. It's a shame that the glorious accent that attracts many of us to him is also the thing that hinders him. It doesn't help either that Colin appears to be drawn to quirky roles. Perhaps they are more interesting to play, but they apparently don't do much to further your career. RENATE's MOVIE GAME (Bethan) Any role as played by James Stewart Just love Jimmy Stewart. I've heard people say that Kevin Costner reminds them of JS (that sort of "aw shucks", small town humility) and I can see it too. I can't really picture Colin in any JS roles that I can think of only because JS is so...I don't know...American (for lack of a better word). What did you have in mind? And how about a stage revival of Pygmalion (not My Fair Lady) with Jennifer Ehle as Eliza! My guess is that he may do some theatre - he said he wanted to. If Colin did something on Broadway I'd probably lose my mind from being in the same room (however large and crowded). If we're going to wish, how about something really unlikely--a one man show! :-) Did you ever see Leonard Nimoy do that show about Theo Van Gogh? Or Patrick Stewart doing "A Christmas Carol"--it was amazing...and wonderfully fulfilling being a Patrick Stewart fan to have 3 hours of just him. Oh to imagine Colin alone on stage for that period of time with no other distractions...aaaaaaaah! -.D TEP VIDEO (Bethan) Have loads to say on TEP, but not the time! Have studied Colin's role and as ever he does a lot with very little. Video playbacks have made me aware of lots of subtleties which you don't catch on screen - it's two roles in one - schoolboyish socialite and intelligence officer, Looks very robust and masculine in some shots - I like the first shots when he introduces himself and comments "broken car" etc. I haven't had the time to rent it yet (bad Nnan!!) but I have every intention of doing the "nuance" search this week. BTW, I went back to Tower and checked on the price (Arami heard that it was $99.95, I heard $24.95) it seems that we are both right. At present it's "priced for rent"--which means $99.95 (in the US) because they're trying to make more millions from the rental market before releasing it at a reasonable price. I was told that eventually it will be "priced to buy" at $24.95 but that wo 't be for several months. BTW, for anyone who doesn't own Femme Fatale Amazon.com has it on sale for $6.99. RENATE'S MOVIE GAME (Nan) It's Robert Redford that I like...;-p (Renate) Now you mention RR - I remember there was a RR/Demi Moore film about 2 years ago, where he paid a million dollar or so to spend a night with DM. Oh dear. Refurniture THIS film the right way, and it will improve TREMENDOUSLY. LOL!! Tremendously is right! I couldn't understand the appeal of that movie myself. Even RR did nothing for me :-( But I'm afraid the plot would not work at all, because no one would understand why Colin would have to pay for a love night, Oooh, but he could make a wonderful tortured, jealous husband (the Woody Harrelson role)...yes, I think that would do very nicely indeedy! :-) and anyway why with DM at all? To compare muscles? She does not even have a mole in the right place. LOL! :-) No moles that I can see, but otherwuse she fits into the "type" I guess. You'd have to make it the other way around. Let's say ... Linda Fiorentino, or, still better, Kristin Scott-Thomas would play the milliardaire who meets Colin in a shop where he tries on a new t-shirt and jeans. ;-D I like the idea of Linda Fiorentino--she has a rawness that I find very attractive. She and Colin together could be a very, very um...intense thing :-) When he smiles at her, she coughs up a million dollar .... That's what I call a credible script! ...and a bargain too! ;-) (Nan) Aha! You've found another part for him Renate--you should be his agent. (Renate) Well, that's a good idea! Believe me, he could have no better or more caring agent :-))!!!! First I would see for the remakes of: The 4 Musketeers (Athos, and the story told - for a change - from Athos pov) What a great idea!! There are so many versions of this story--personally I happen to like the most recent, silly one (and little ashamed I am) ;-p But how wonderful would he look in one of those fabulous Musketeer outfits with the knee-high boots and a goatee. I just love a man with a goatee! So pirate-y abd naughty...YUM! ;-) The Fisher King (both leading parts) I never would have thought of that one. I haven't seen this one in years so I can't really remember much. Refresh me babe...;-p Nine and a half week (with me) :-.)=)..... LMAO!! You GO sister-friend--Break out the honey...Renate's comin'--LOL!! ;-D (Bethan) Any role as played by James Stewart or Henry Fonda (decent, caring, masculine), I'm a fan of old movies. (Renate) Gary Cooper!!! See now I think of Gary Cooper is just as "American" as Jimmy Stewart but somehow I'm able to envision Colin in one of his roles. Prime Suspect resp. Cracker. Wouldn't that be great? What is this "Cracker" thing I've heard so many people mention. Everyone seems to love it. What am I missing? :-( TEP VIDEO (Bethan) And I don't find blatant adultery "romantic" or particularly moving! (Renate) Except when with Colin ----- :-)) (Sorry, Bethan, there a situations where moral issues must come second) I'm with you on this one Renate--all my moral scruples go out the window when thinking of Colin (not that I have all that many mind you ;-p) TERRY IS WATCHING :-D (Terry) drool alert! LOL! Break out the towels Mr. Man, I'm ready to go ;-p... TUMBLEDOWN An excellent and generous friend has found a way to get a copy of "Tumbledown" to me and I am quite genuinely grateful. I just got it the end of last week and I'm ready to scrutinize and drool. Can this be the next "movie discussion"?--I believe we've trashed Playmaker enough (even for me :-p)--whaddya say? More later...;-)

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TEP (Nan) I'm with you on this one Renate--all my moral scruples go out the window when thinking of Colin (not that I have all that many mind you ;-p) LOL! It's going to be interesting to see this movie now that I've "discovered" Colin - when I first saw it in the theaters I was dying to see KST leave her hubby (that Colin what's-his-name) for RF (I apparently have no scruples either!) - so this time around I'm probably going to despise RF for stealing her from our boy! My, how much I've changed since seeing a little thing called P&P! :-D Anyway, since I'm on a morally bankrupt roll, I would have paid for a romp with RR, especially if I had the misfortune to be married to that dim-bulb Woody Harrelson. I thought RR looked especially good, old, but good in that one. (Renate) You'd have to make it the other way around. Let's say ... Linda Fiorentino, or, still better, Kristin Scott-Thomas would play the milliardaire who meets Colin in a shop where he tries on a new t-shirt and jeans. When he smiles at her, she coughs up a million dollar .... That's what I call a credible script! LOL! You know it, Renate, now that's believable! I'd take out a loan - seeing him in jeans and T-shirt makes me pretty frisky! ;-) ATA I finally saw it and all I can say is BLAH. Like Nan said, there just isn't enough of Colin to redeem this movie. He's riveting when he's there, but I needed/wanted more romance - more of our lovely Colin - and WITH his normal speaking voice, which I know would have been impossibly out of character. He looked divine in his cuddle (post romp) with JL - really fetching without his shirt, all dimpled and smiling, I just needed MORE. And, I don't want to spoil anything here, but what was with those men the sisters married?? Ty in particular - he knows Ginny had a fling with Jess and yet it's business as usual. I guess I should read the book. RENATE'S GAME You all are playing so well! Okay, this is fantasy here - but I can see him as Robin Hood to my Maid Marian, Caesar to my Cleopatra, Romeo to my Juliet - LOL!! Or he can be the next Don Juan - don't you think he was born to play the greatest lover of them all?? ;-) Notorious, Somewhere in Time, Sabrina, The Way We Were, Funny Girl (loved Omar Sharif) - all great choices - he can do just about anything, but I prefer that he keep the accent, the unmade bed look, and stick to breeches or tights. LOL!

WHAT IS HE DOING NOW? I win the prize (awarded by me!)! He IS filming The Secret Laughter of Women in the South of France. It's a contemporary romantic drama about a writer who falls for a Nigerian widow, played by American actress Nia Long (who was in Boyz-in-the Hood, Made in America, Love Jones, Soul Food). AND IT'S NOT A CAMEO!I think we all agree that MORE COLIN is in order. his accent It's difficult for him really. English Home Counties accents just don't seem to fit into the Hollywood scheme of things. Scottish/Irish accents seem OK, but otherwise British actors (like Tim Roth, Garry Oldman) make it in LA by becoming American. (BTW what happened to Hugh Grant?!) QUIRKY ROLES (Nan) From my extensive reading on Colin (Mr Darcy would have approved!) I get the feeeling he's a bit ambivalent about acting - seems to have to justify it to himself and try something different all the time. When all he really has to do is go into handsome, masculine, slightly scruffy mode and stay there!!! TUMBLEDOWN Glad you're getting to see this, Nan. I'm saving it for a rainy day (first saw it absolutely ages ago). But I did come across the screenplay in a secondhand bookshop last week. Stirring read in its own right. BUT, lowering the tone CONSIDERABLY, what exactly does the Swedish girl Ingrid do to him under the coverlet when he's in hospital? (I can guess!)Don't remember that bit!!!! Squeezed in some time, but it's difficult! WHERE IS EVERYONE - thinking back to the days of the Keepership! Reinforcements needed? Or are we becoming TOO SERIOUS?!;-)

TEP (Marilyn) LOL! It's going to be interesting to see this movie now that I've "discovered" Colin - when I first saw it in the theaters I was dying to see KST leave her hubby (that Colin what's-his-name) for RF Tsk, tsk, tsk Marilyn ;-p But you have seen the error of your ways so I suppose we'll have to let you slide. Just between you and men--I thought RF was quite tempting myself (shhhh) ;-) Anyway, since I'm on a morally bankrupt roll, I would have paid for a romp with RR, especially if I had the misfortune to be married to that dim-bulb Woody Harrelson. I thought RR looked especially good, old, but good in that one. But not as good as he did in The Way We Were ;-) He ain't Colin, but he'll do in a pinch... ATA (Marilyn) I finally saw it and all I can say is BLAH. Like Nan said, there just isn't enough of Colin to redeem this movie. He's riveting when he's there, but I needed/wanted more romance At least that's what I was expecting (hoping?) But alas, they chose to go in the other direction...most disappointing! :-( And, I don't want to spoil anything here, but what was with those men the sisters married?? Ty in particular - he knows Ginny had a fling with Jess and yet it's business as usual. I guess I should read the book. Ty is definitely better in the book (as is Pete). Again, they just grazed over the men. Truthfully, I didn't love the book either, but that's just me being cranky I suppose. RENATE'S GAME Okay, this is fantasy here - but I can see him as Robin Hood to my Maid Marian, Caesar to my Cleopatra, Romeo to my Juliet - LOL!! Oh so that's what we're doing? He gets to star opposite me! In that case I shall reconsider my earlier "Bull Durham" statement --he can be Crash if I get to be Annie. Then again, I do so love KC in that role...Kevin or Colin--Kevin or Colin...who to choose? This is stressful ;-p WHAT IS HE DOING NOW? (Bethan) I win the prize (awarded by me!)! He IS filming The Secret Laughter of Women in the South of France. It's a contemporary romantic drama about a writer who falls for a Nigerian widow, played by American actress Nia Long (who was in Boyz-in-the Hood, Made in America, Love Jones, Soul Food). AND IT'S NOT A CAMEO!I think we all agree that MORE COLIN is in order. Now THAT'S promising :-.) Very good Bethan--I'm impressed! Did you find out anything about the eventual release date? And more importantly does anyone know if Nia Long has a mole? :-p HIS ACCENT It's difficult for him really. English Home Counties accents just don't seem to fit into the Hollywood scheme of things. Scottish/Irish accents seem OK, but otherwise British actors (like Tim Roth, Garry Oldman) make it in LA by becoming American. Yes which, of course, means that it loses all its charm. Hmmm.... (BTW what happened to Hugh Grant?!) "Nine Months" followed by the little incident in the car with that woman whose name I can never remember. ;-p QUIRKY ROLES From my extensive reading on Colin (Mr Darcy would have approved!) I get the feeeling he's a bit ambivalent about acting - seems to have to justify it to himself and try something different all the time. When all he really has to do is go into handsome, masculine, slightly scruffy mode and stay there!!! I don't get the impression that he's ambivalent about acting, just the fame that is caused by it. I always feel that his choice in roles is his way of holding back the fame. I'm sure there is some ego in there that finds the fame amusing, but I really believe that he doesn't seek it. The chances of his becoming very famous while doing the kind of "quirky" work he does, are not very great. TUMBLEDOWN what exactly does the Swedish girl Ingrid do to him under the coverlet when he's in hospital? (I can guess!)Don't remember that bit!!!! Oooh, I haven't gotten to that part yet!! Had a busy weekend. Let you know...;-O Squeezed in some time, but it's difficult! WHERE IS EVERYONE - thinking back to the days of the Keepership! Reinforcements needed? Or are we becoming TOO SERIOUS?!;-) I don't think there is a danger of us ever becoming too serious--I think the real world had hindered us the last week. It happens. ;-)

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QUIRKY ROLES / FORGET MAINSTREAM HOLLYWOOD (Bethan) ..... and try something different all the time. When all he really has to do is go into handsome, masculine, slightly scruffy mode and stay there!!! All his impressive characters he got praise for were of the dramatic kind.... (Darcy included, though P&P2 was rather a comedy IMO) To have "only" ( 8-)) ) his looks without the drama is apparently not enough for his fans - see ATA. Even FP's Paul Ashworth has a dramatic side (but comedy, too!). I have my doubts if he would really fit into the - lets say: Tom Hanks mould. (Philadelphia? Sleepless?) Too British for American mainstream audience. I could imagine him in such a position as Harvey Keitel, f.e. who is definitely quirky, and has become - over the decades! - a kind of quiet superstar of the quirky movies. I can also see our dear boy in those independent off-beat productions as from Hal Hartley (Martin Donovan!), Jim Jarmusch, Alexander Rockwell etc.. TUMBLEDOWN Nan, have you watched it completely by now? I want your comments! And anybody else's, BTW. I'll watch it again myself, then. (Bethan) ...... I did come across the screenplay in a secondhand bookshop last week. Stirring read in its own right. Bethan, can you give me the exact title, author, editor and ISBN-no? I'm trying to track Robert Lawrence's original book down, or anything related. And would like to know where he is today, and what/how he is doing. BUT, lowering the tone CONSIDERABLY, what exactly does the Swedish girl Ingrid do to him under the coverlet when he's in hospital? (I can guess!) Don't remember that bit!!!! Sorry to disappoint. There was no Ingrid in the film .....but the film was in trouble, anyway, without any Ingrid performing performing any kind of personal service. (Nan) especially if I had the misfortune to be married to that dim-bulb Woody Harrelson. LOL!

TUMBLEDOWN Nan, are you so overwhelmed by the dashing Colin/Robert that you have gone speechless? Would like to have your opinion on him! (ok, ok, I know you are very busy - well, everyone needs a break now and then). DARCY DROOLING I have observed that in our neighbouring country Pemberley some nice CF drooling is going on... not only in VV and Ramble, but also on the serious P&PBB. Looks as if there is a new generation of Colin/Darcy fans. And I definitely got the impression that the drool-level is rising. Wouldn't be surprised if we get some new visitors soon... when the technical problems are solved.... I wonder if anyone of the lurkers here would welcome a special Darcy topic? Just to remind you of what I am speaking about (Courtesy of Pemberley Picture Gallery): http://www.pemberley.com/photos/firth/headshot.jpg (Will it work?)

Well, well, well.... looks like I have this place for myself, at last. All tactics, harharhar! Now, with everyone playing somewhere else, and no interruptions anymore by silly responses, I finally can start to write my memoirs here, undisturbed. (extended limb stretching) Ah, ja. How do I begin? Hm. Yes. Well..... It happened one ... No. Wrong. I always wanted to become a - or, no: - Way back when - too ...eh ...what's the word? Hm. HmmmmHmmm. I guess I'll get myself at first a cup of tea before I actually start to write the great epic novel about my life and loves...... BACK IN A MINUTE DO NOT DISTURB

(Renate)Now, with everyone playing somewhere else, and no interruptions anymore by silly responses, I finally can start to write my memoirs here, undisturbed. Oh, Renate, you are too funny!! :-) Not that I wanted to interrupt your memoirs (LOL!), but I wanted you all to know I haven't been playing elsewhere - this splashy place is my only playground these days - nope, I've been home (where I don't have access to my Firthlands friends) with sick children this week. So I'm here for a brief drool... RENATE'S GAME (Nan)He gets to star opposite me! In that case I shall reconsider my earlier "Bull Durham" statement--he can be Crash if I get to be Annie. Then again, I do so love KC in that role...Kevin or Colin--Kevin or Colin...who to choose? This is stressful ;-p Dearest Nan, this is your fantasy - why choose? - I say get a bigger tub! :-D NEW COLIN TOPIC? Can I introduce a new topic?? I would like to know at what moment (scene, photo, look...) you were hooked by Mr. Sexy Pants? More description, the better - I want all the drooly details!! :-) HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND EVERYONE!

MY HOW HE'S AGED! (rather nicely of course!) I don't know if links work automatically, but check this out: http://members.aol.com/Dg1257/dutchgirls.html He must have been 24 but he looks all of 17! I love his sweet schoolboy look but am fascinated by how well he is ageing! The features are the same... what's the difference? RENATE's MOVIE GAME Hollywood are apparently thinking about a major movie on the life of Elizabeth the First, with Nicole Kidman as the redheaded Queen. Colin would make a superb Earl of Essex - the Queen's lover (historically unconsumated!) - tall, dashing, excellent horseman, ambitious, ruthless and ultimately sent to the gallows by the Queen, whose heart (in true Hollywood style) was broken forever!! BUT, I suppose the part will go to Tom Cruise, or Robert Downey Jr, or 'ugh Grant, or (by George, I've got it!) R. Fiennes. . I can dream though! Hollywood take note!

So, back from the tea bar. Not too crowdy here. Ok. Lets start. Here it comes: "I CONFESS" or "My Life so Far" A great novel in 19 or so chapters. It is a truth universally acknowledged that a woman possessed by an actor with a great talent must be in want of an internet connection. Once she has managed to figure out how search engines work there's nothing to stop her but a complete hard disc crash or a national power breakdown. Ever since ...- Hmmm. Scratch, scratch. Hmmmmmm. Sip. "Where is everyone? No mail. No posting. Has a worldwide power breakdown taken place?" Sip. "Let's see. Where's the remote control? - Oh, migawd!!" DO NOT DISTURB - BACK SOON. - - -

Okay ladies--Sorry, I've been terribly remiss in my posting the last week. I've been busy at work (blah blah blah) and I hate posting from home because the response box is so large that I have to scroll horizontally to read everything I've pasted and it makes me wild! Rant over. On to the important things... QUIRKY ROLES / FORGET MAINSTREAM HOLLYWOOD (Bethan) ..... and try something different all the time. When all he really has to do is go into handsome, masculine, slightly scruffy mode and stay there!!! (Renate) his looks without the drama is apparently not enough for his fans - see ATA. (snip) I have my doubts if he would really fit into the - lets say: Tom Hanks mould. (Philadelphia? Sleepless?) Funny you should mention Tom Hanks as I was considering Colin for those two roles while playing your game and finally came to the same conclusion that you did: Too British. Certainly there are exceptions to that rule but they were different types of roles (Cary Grant for instance). Then again, look at Mel Gibson. I first saw him in "Tim" maybe 15 years ago and while I thought he was stunning, I never would have believed that he would eventually fit so easily into the Hollywood mainstream. He is certainly o more talented than Colin, but perhaps his more classically handsome face had something to do with it ;-p Too British for American mainstream audience. I could imagine him in such a position as Harvey Keitel, f.e. who is definitely quirky, and has become - over the decades! - a kind of quiet superstar of the quirky movies. This is a good example of how an actor can thrive out of the mainstream. I'm always impressed by Harvey Keitel (though he does give me the creeps now and again, like Christopher Walken) and I can easily see Colin being an underground star. But I have to say that Keitel's choices seem to be a little better than our beloved's :-( See now if you were his agent I could rest easy ;-) TUMBLEDOWN (Renate) Nan, have you watched it completely by now? I want your comments! And anybody else's, BTW I'll watch it again myself, then. Are you so overwhelmed by the dashing Colin/Robert that you have gone speechless? Would like to have your opinion on him! (ok, ok, I know you are very busy - well, everyone needs a break now and then). LOL! Your enthusiasm is heartening my pal :-) I did finally watch the whole thing, though I did it in shifts which is perhaps, not the best way to watch a film. I also did a lot of rewinding because I was having a problem hearing some of the dialogue. This is not fault of the tape, just a common problem of mine when watching a movie where people have British or Irish accents--particularly when they are using slang. The fact that Colin is half paralyzed doesn't help either because he had to mumble. Anyway, my first impression is that Colin is justified in being proud of that performance. For sheer acting it's right up there with "A Month in the Country" Granted, material like that lends itself to drama but not any actor could have been so convincing. I was particularly impressed with the physical elements of the performance: the learning to walk part, the way one side of his face actually looks paralyzed (how did they do that?), the shaking from pain and frustration. Really good. I was surprised to ee "Lady Catherine" as his mother--hard to imagine she could be so nice ;-) They really got the feel of that time period right as well: the "Human League" t-shirt (geez, remember them?), that red and white scarf he wears in the bar (I still have one of those!) watching "Can't Stop the Music" on tv in the hospital (love those Village People!). I also liked the scenes where the camera was moving in such a way that it almost looks like news coverage. However, it's not an easy film to watch (especially for a olin fan) because poor fellow is in a lot of pain and it is a bit gory...but I guess it could hardly be otherwise considering the subject matter. It's painful to see him that way, which is just confirms that his performance really is very good. Here's my problem: I don't know if I like Robert Lawrence. Isn't that terrible? I felt more compassion thinking of CF in that situation than I did for the character. There is an arrogance about him (even before the war) that doesn't seem to fade even after he's gone through this terrible experience. Certainly there is something uplifting about a person being able to overcome that kind of injury (or at least learn to make the best of it)--it shows a strength of character and determination. But if I underst nd it right, the shot in the head didn't come in the middle of battle, but as he was gloating (or crazed from the battle itself, I'm not sure). This is another problem, solely with the film itself, not Colin: it's all flashbacks. You start at the end and keep flashing between the present, the past before the war, then the present, then after the injury, then during the battle, then the present again, etc. I found it hard to keep up. This is definitely the kind of movie I have to watch 3 or 4 times to real y understand everything...but I didn't want you to have to wait that long ;-p I will, of course, watch it again and some of my opinions my change then, I don't know. BTW, I really wanted to know more at the end. They don't tell you anything about what's happened to him or Hugh, whom I didn't like but wanted to know about just the same. Now, having rambled on about that let me say that there are quite a few drooly moments where Colin is looking most handsome (and clean ;-p). I never saw him before in a pair of jeans that did him justice (not even in ATA). I really like the running scene--looking most yummy he is! You even get a pretty bare butt shot--more flattering than the one in "Advocate". But I say again Renate--he's too thin LOL!! I can't help it--he's got these wonderful big shoulders and teensy legs--needs some pasta ;-p Overall I liked it (regardless of the morbid topic) and am very glad I got the chance to see it. Well done Colin dear. ;-) (Sorry, this was longer than I intended, oh well) Your turn... (Bethan) ...... I did come across the screenplay in a secondhand bookshop last week. Stirring read in its own right. (Renate) Bethan, can you give me the exact title, author, editor and ISBN-no? I'm trying to track Robert Lawrence's original book down, or anything related. And would like to know where he is today, and what/how he is doing. I would be interested to read that as well. What is the name of Robert Lawrence's book? Maybe that can fill in the gaps for me. (Bethan) BUT, lowering the tone CONSIDERABLY, what exactly does the Swedish girl Ingrid do to him under the coverlet when he's in hospital? (I can guess!) Don't remember that bit!!!! (Renate) Sorry to disappoint. There was no Ingrid in the film .....but the film was in trouble, anyway, without any Ingrid performing performing any kind of personal service. See, now that could have been interesting. Nope, no Ingrid that I could see. DARCY DROOLING (Renate)I have observed that in our neighbouring country Pemberley some nice CF drooling is going on...not only in VV and Ramble, but also on the serious P&PBB. Looks as if there is a new generation of Colin/Darcy fans. And I definitely got the impression that the drool-level is rising. Wouldn't be surprised if we get some new visitors soon... when the technical problems are solved.... Yes, I saw that too...I love when there are new Colin converts. Their enthusiasm is always infectious even if their crush is really on Darcy, not Colin. That is one film I can never drool over too much so I hope they all come on by and we'll do the wet shirt talk...again! And love every moment of it. But you are right about the technical problems, some of them have tried and are having trouble posting. The software lets them in and all looks normal and they when they hit "Submit" it looks as though it has accepted it but a little message shows up saying "file cf.buffer doesn't seem to exist". Don't ask me--it's out of my realm. I've spoken to Yapp, I've spoken to Terry. I know he's trying to figure out the problem, but until he does I'm afraid those people are forced to just lurk. It's very odd. I feel badly too because they very clearly want to participate, it's just beyond my abilities to fix it myself. ;-( Another reason to go back to school... (Renate) I wonder if anyone of the lurkers here would welcome a special Darcy topic? Just to remind you of what I am speaking about (Courtesy of Pemberley Picture Gallery): http://www.pemberley.com/photos/firth/headshot.jpg (Will it work?) It worked and was very pretty too! ;-D *slurp* (Renate) BACK IN A MINUTE DO NOT DISTURB LOL Renate! Wiseass ;-p (Marilyn) Not that I wanted to interrupt your memoirs (LOL!), but I wanted you all to know I haven't been playing elsewhere - this splashy place is my only playground these days - nope, I've been home (where I don't have access to my Firthlands friends) with sick children this week. So I'm here for a brief drool... Always good to have you plop into the Firthlands waters...however brief dearest. Hope the little goobers are better? RENATE'S GAME (Nan)He gets to star opposite me! In that case I shall reconsider my earlier "Bull Durham" statement--he can be Crash if I get to be Annie. Then again, I do so love KC in that role...Kevin or Colin--Kevin or Colin...who to choose? This is stressful ;-p (Marilyn) Dearest Nan, this is your fantasy - why choose? - I say get a bigger tub! :-D Brilliant idea Marilyn! Big tub, Kevin, Colin--what more could I ask? Well, maybe that big hockey player with whom I am so madly in lust ;-p Can you imagine? I would probably need constant mouth to mouth just to keep from fainting---hyperventilation does that to you...;-p MY MR. SEXY PANTS "MOMENT" Can I introduce a new topic?? I would like to know at what moment (scene, photo, look...) you were hooked by Mr. Sexy Pants? More description, the better - I want all the drooly details!! :-) Actually I liked him quite well when I saw Valmont, several years before P&P2. But I think the "Darcy moment" for me was "On foot?". Of course, I was thinking he was very lovely before that moment, but something about that little scene flipped me on: the small, dimpled smile of amusement, dark perfectly placed ringlets, eyes squinting from the sun, the little "right this way madame" gesture, long coat billowing in the wind and then...the walk...aaaaaah. Yes, that did it. Your turn...;-) MY HOW HE'S AGED! (rather nicely of course!) (Bethan)I don't know if links work automatically, but check this out: http://members.aol.com/Dg1257/dutchgirls.html He must have been 24 but he looks all of 17! I love his sweet schoolboy look but am fascinated by how well he is ageing! The features are the same... what's the difference? Isn't he the sweetest little boy...and so clean (sorry, couldn't help myself ;-p). I agree that he is more attractive now. Of course, that could be because I'm not 17 anymore either. ;-) RENATE's MOVIE GAME (Bethan) Hollywood are apparently thinking about a major movie on the life of Elizabeth the First, with Nicole Kidman as the redheaded Queen. Colin would make a superb Earl of Essex - the Queen's lover (historically unconsumated!) - tall, dashing, excellent horseman, ambitious, ruthless and ultimately sent to the gallows by the Queen, whose heart (in true Hollywood style) was broken forever!! BUT, I suppose the part will go to Tom Cruise, or Robert Downey Jr, or 'ugh Grant, or (by George, I've got it!) R. Fiennes. . I can dream though! Hollywood take note! Oh Bethan, that is perfect!! Though I have to say that I'm over Nicole Kidman-had enough of her the last few years. No offense, I like her--but she's been around too much lately. You're also right in assuming that someone else would get that role...Colin is just not famous enough here. That bites! "I CONFESS" or "My Life so Far" (Renate) A great novel in 19 or so chapters. It is a truth universally acknowledged that a woman possessed by an actor with a great talent must be in want of an internet connection. Once she has managed to figure out how search engines work there's nothing to stop her but a complete hard disc crash or a national power breakdown. Ever since ...- Hmmm. Scratch, scratch. Hmmmmmm. Sip. "Where is everyone? No mail. No posting. Has a worldwide power breakdown taken place?" Sip. "Let's see. Where's the remote control? - Oh, migawd!!" DO NOT DISTURB - BACK SOON. I say again: Wiseass. LOL!! ;-D Sorry I left you alone so long dear, I'll be better this week. TEP I spent one of my nights this week watching TEP again. For those of you who haven't gotten to see ATA yet, I was thinking that Colin's screen time is about the same in both movies. Not used nearly enough. However, TEP is a much better movie. Long as it is, I really enjoyed TEP (even without enough Colin). I can't believe I'm saying this, but I was once again rooting for RF getting the girl. He's not CF, but he is mighty attractive...something about the eyes I think. I really like the feel of that movie bu I didn't do the weeping thing that I normally do when I watch those doomed love stories. And btw, Renate I payed close attention to JB this time around and she really was quite wonderful. She deserved that Oscar. Though I am still a little surprised that they voted for quality rather than the obvious choice of Lauren Bacall who was, after all just playing Lauren Bacall in "The Mirror Has Two Faces". Okay, I've gone on enough for the moment...

(Bethan) ..... and try something different all the time. When all he really has to do is go into handsome, masculine, slightly scruffy mode and stay there!!! He doesn't want to become bored with doing the same role over and over again. I don't blame him; I wouldn't want to either. I sense that he doesn't have the best feel for scripts. Some actors can read a script and know that the movie will be great, others rely on their agents, and others punt. I think Colin is a bit in the last category. He seems to do a lot of mediocre movies. With all of the problems with ATA, it seems obvious that the script had major problems that he didn't see. Of course I also don't know what kind of parts he is being offered. I am looking forward to WOM. I think that should be interesting.

Just to say I'm still here but having problems actually logging in and submitting. Very quickly.. TEP Was the Cliftom marriage supposed to be a fiction - I think it was in some respects. Katherine had obviously had several affairs before falling back on good old Geoffrey who loved her but must have been unable to satisfy her sexually - (like brother and sister). And that is the part that Colin played= good old Geoffrey, and played very well. But he obviously must have been unaware of the impact that Darcy was going to make or else he wouldn't have chosen to be a foil to RF who had all the best lines and a tion! (although his legs are thinner than Colin's!!) Or perhaps he have still have gone for the part - what do you think? I would say he's more conscious of the actor than the image. As to Colin punting for roles (ANN), I agree (I think), but I think it must be very difficult sometimes to know what will/will not be a success. ATA had all the right ingredients, including a good director. Will try to submit!!

TEP (Bethan) .... But he obviously must have been unaware of the impact that Darcy was going to make or else he wouldn't have chosen to be a foil to RF who had all the best lines and a tion! (although his legs are thinner than Colin's!!) Or perhaps he have still have gone for the part - what do you think? Don't get me wrong: I think RFdid a good job as Count All-mushy, in particular the injured one. But there is something about TEP that allways irritated me, kept me away from getting involved into the Almasy/Catherine love story, while I felt very strongly with the husband even when I had not yet discovered Colin at that time! I think now I can name it: RF is too young for this role, and has not the stature, both physically and spiritually for what I expect of this man the strong and beautiful Catherine fa ls for. I would have expected to be Count Almasy more mature. The early Count All-mushy behaves rather like a spoiled brat than a man with weighty and probably hurtful experience of life. I think I would rather have bought Sean Connery in this role. But CF would have been the very perfect cast: though just a few (2 years, 3 month) years elder than RF, he appears at least a decade more mature. And he has MUCH more of this dark, brooding quality, he suggests more physical strength and spiritual depth. What pity he did not get to play the Count. Had P&P happened a bit earlier, probably we would have seen another TEP..... (Just for your info: RF height: 5,11, CF: 6,1...)

RENATE'S GAME (potentially adult version) (Marilyn) Dearest Nan, this is your fantasy - why choose? - I say get a bigger tub! :-D (Nan) Brilliant idea Marilyn! Big tub, Kevin, Colin--what more could I ask? Well, maybe that big hockey player with whom I am so madly in lust ;-p Can you imagine? I would probably need constant mouth to mouth just to keep from fainting---hyperventilation does that to you...;-p Kevin, Colin AND still more? (me, Renate: shaking her head, with a worried look, seriously)... - you're in trouble, Nan, if these two are not enough in one tub. When this game continues in this direction do you mind if I remove my name from it? :-)) Might be bad for a serious career in another business than personal entertainment... :-)=)

Carrying on ...apologies for all the typos, but when done at speed...!! TUMBLEDOWN NAN and RENATE I think that Robert was supposed to be portrayed as arrogant, but perhaps that's what got him through his terrible ordeal. From what I recall, he married and went to live in South Africa - somewhere warm anyway. He continued to suffer a lot of pain as a result of his injuries, and a warmer climate (I sincerely hope) helped him. Colin said that they became friends during the filming. The ISBN of the screenplay is 0-14-011198-0 but it may well be out of print. I bought it in a secondhand bookshop (it's on some university literature syllabi now). HIS LEGS! (NAN)Wonderful big shoulders and teensy legs Oh Nan, you're too hard on him! I think he's filled out a bit since Tumbledown! Have a look at your favourite film again (yes, Playmaker!) - legs look OK there. His arms, I grant you, are rather slender - but I like them :-) Colin is just not famous enough for it (NAN) The role of Earl of Essex, that is... Aye, there's the rub. It's a bit of a Catch 22 really. To get the really good parts you've got to be famous, and it's the really good roles which boost fame. I actually don't think that choice of role can be all that easy for him - we don't really know what scripts he is offered. I still think (my favourite gripe!!!) that it's a shame (for him) that FP didn't make it to the States. Hopefully his next three roles should be lead roles so ther will be some more "meat"! B t I still see him as an actor, not a movie star. When he was being interviewed about FP back in April he was driving a 15-year old Nissan car - even older than mine! One of the (many) reasons I like him! Another snippet, on role choice, he was offered the lead role (the Jack Nicholson role) in a major US TV re-make of The Shining, but turned it down even though (I quote him) "he could have done with the money" because he didn't think he could match JN. Was that a good career decision? It must be awfully d fficult to decide sometimes. Don't envy him:-) Will submit again... Fingers crossed!

TEP Renate, I agree with you about Al-Mushy (love that!)'s relative youth and immaturity. He was much older in the book. Maybe that's why K went back to dependable Geoffrey when war was imminent. What did you think of the ending (in the desert)? Just didn't ring true for me.

NAN'S MOVIE GAME (not to be confused with "RENATE'S MOVIE GAME" which is the more respectable and dignified, though less drooly, version of the two) ;-p (Nan) Brilliant idea Marilyn! Big tub, Kevin, Colin--what more could I ask? Well, maybe that big hockey player with whom I am so madly in lust ;-p Can you imagine? I would probably need constant mouth to mouth just to keep from fainting---hyperventilation does that to you...;-p (Renate) Kevin, Colin AND still more? (me, Renate: shaking her head, with a worried look, seriously)... - you're in trouble, Nan, if these two are not enough in one tub. Oh, but you don't know my big, beloved, brutish, bald hockey player...;-p In fact, I'd be quite content with just him...:-D When this game continues in this direction do you mind if I remove my name from it? :-)) Might be bad for a serious career in another business than personal entertainment... :-)=) LOL! We certainly wouldn't want to hinder your career dearest--well...okay. I'll take the blame (credit?) for the truly twisted games...;-p

QUIRKY ROLES / FORGET MAINSTREAM HOLLYWOOD (Nan) Then again, look at Mel Gibson. I first saw him in "Tim" maybe 15 years ago and while I thought he was stunning, I never would have believed that he would eventually fit so easily into the Hollywood mainstream. He is certainly o more talented than Colin, but perhaps his more classically handsome face had something to do with it ;-p Wasn't "Tim" adorable?!!! BTW, I don't think MG "classically handsome". If you look at his features - his face only comes to life with his eyes, but then-!. Without their expression he wouldn't look so dashing at all - the shape of his face or his mouth is nothing to get mad about (don't talk about his body here :-)) ). In respect to facial proportions IMO Colins features are much more classical (AND he has those dimples!) - but I agree with you that MG looks more mainstream handsome. And I think he's a g fted actor, but he seldom makes full use of his talent; a good director, too. But, the main reason why MG is so successful in Hollywood is IMO because he is determined - he went straight into that direction, full energy, even if it took quite some years to get into his mega-star position. (See what determination can do for you if you look at some of the present super-stars... talent and success are not necessarily in the right proportion) I'm always impressed by Harvey Keitel (though he does give me the creeps now and again, like Christopher Walken) Did you mention CW by accident, or did you know I am one of his biggest fans? For a long time he was rather alone on top of my personal list of "World's Best Actors", until you know who came along :-)) And in his case it is so, too, that he seems to make often choices not easy to understand. and I can easily see Colin being an underground star. But I have to say that Keitel's choices seem to be a little better than our beloved's :-( But then - we don't know what the options were to choose from. And Keitel has been around for a long time - and for many years not at all successful. RENATE'S MOVIE GAME (Nan) See now if you were his agent I could rest easy ;-) Slumber, dear maid! If I were his agent I would talk to Peter Weir next, Ridley Scott and Nora Ephron. It seems to be a bit quiet presently around Peter Weir. I used to like his movies very much. He has the talent to put together efficiently a great emotionally moving theme with a wonderful love story and male leads I particularly liked, and female leads I could identify with easily. Remember "Witness", Fearless, The Year of Living Dangerously, just to name a few. 'Green Card', a likeable story, could be improved by another cast. I was disappointed, thought GD and AMcC had no chemistry. But make it CF an ..... Juliette Binoche? :-)) Well that's THE idea - turn the Green Card story around... though I would not seriously recommend a remake of anything. I'd talk to Ridley Scott because all of his films turn out to be almost perfect. And Nora Ephron for her witty and romantic scripts. (Sleepless, Harry and Sally) TUMBLEDOWN (Nan)...... I also did a lot of rewinding because I was having a problem hearing some of the dialogue. This is not fault of the tape, just a common problem of mine when watching a movie where people have British or Irish accents--particularly when they are using slang. The fact that Colin is half paralyzed doesn't help either because he had to mumble. And I thought only I had this problem. I am relieved. :-)) I am determined to get the screenplay somehow. I was particularly impressed with the physical elements of the performance: the learning to walk part, the way one side of his face actually looks paralyzed (how did they do that?), the shaking from pain and frustration. Really good. And though he looked definitely paralyzed and injured I thought he was the most attractive victim of war in a film I ever saw.... I think I got the nurse-syndrome instantly. (Guess my middle name? :-)=) ) BTW, I think he had some help from the mask department. His left upper lid was "immobilized" with something. BTW, I really wanted to know more at the end. They don't tell you anything about what's happened to him or Hugh, whom I didn't like but wanted to know about just the same. It is not the worst reaction to a film of this kind of subject, to get curious. It has actually raised my interest for something I did not care about at all before, the Falkland war, the riot about the "Tumbledown" film, and what became of Robert Lawrence. BTW, I thought the actor (who?) who played Hugh has a very good voice. ...... there are quite a few drooly moments where Colin is looking most handsome ............ I really like the running scene--looking most yummy he is! Wouldn't it be great to get something more of this energetic Colin? I confess: after I had overcome the first shock with the subject of the film, so after the second or third viewing, I found it is a real Colin-drool-movie for me, and started rewinding for other purposes than just to understand the lines. :-)) But I say again Renate--he's too thin LOL!! I can't help it--he's got these wonderful big shoulders and teensy legs--needs some pasta ;-p Not pasta - I say: workout. (I'd offer myself as a personal trainer any time. Would enjoy it myself, I suppose :-)=)... ) DARCY DROOLING / TECHNICAL PROBLEMS (Nan) ... The software lets them in and all looks normal and they when they hit "Submit" it looks as though it has accepted it but a little message shows up saying "file cf.buffer doesn't seem to exist". Don't ask me--it's out of my realm. Have you ever checked if it's got something to do with the ISP, or browser? Remember that f.e. AOL does not allow it's members to enter the Pemberley chat - maybe a similar idiosyncrasy (voc?)? And does it also happen on other topics or only on "51"? Ah, here's my sherlock vein: what do they have in common?

BALDING BRUTES (Renate) Kevin, Colin AND still more? (me, Renate: shaking her head, with a worried look, seriously)... - you're in trouble, Nan, if these two are not enough in one tub. (Nan)Oh, but you don't know my big, beloved, brutish, bald hockey player...;-p In fact, I'd be quite content with just him...:-D Oh, but I know your beloved balding brute and I'd have no problem making room for him in my tub (she says very respectfully) - LOL!! ;-D TEP (Nan)Long as it is, I really enjoyed TEP (even without enough Colin). I can't believe I'm saying this, but I was once again rooting for RF getting the girl. He's not CF, but he is mighty attractive...something about the eyes I think. Yes, indeedy, Nan - the man IS attractive!! RF oozed sex appeal as Almasy - the eyes did it for me, too! - but when he touches Catherine's face for the first time, ooooh, I was a goner. I have to see it again to remember moments better, but I recall their dance being particularly seductive, as was their rub-a-dub-dubbing. I can remember the anguished look on Geoffrey's face - even then I felt he needed some comforting (yoohoo, over here Colin!). And, Renate, I agree with your opinion of JB - she's a go geous, talented actress. BTW, I read that the RF/JB version of Wuthering Heights will be available to rent Oct. 14! BACK TO MR. SEXY PANTS (Nan)Actually I liked him quite well when I saw Valmont, several years before P&P2. But I think the "Darcy moment" for me was "On foot?". Of course, I was thinking he was very lovely before that moment, but something about that little scene flipped me on: the small, dimpled smile of amusement, dark perfectly placed ringlets, eyes squinting from the sun, the little "right this way madame" gesture, long coat billowing in the wind and then...the walk...aaaaaah. Yes, that did it. Your turn...;-) Oh, that was good, my splashy friend. I was predisposed to falling for Darcy after hearing the raves in the Pond - but I wasn't prepared to fall to my knees!! I first saw the potential at the Meryton assembly after he'd insulted Lizzie - she walks by barely able to contain her laughter as he watches her with those melty eyes and eyebrows ever so slightly furrowed - only to look away ever so briefy - but he can't help but look again - oh, and at that moment I somehow managed to notice the whole package: the chin, the jawline, that perfect nose, the curly mass of hair, those sexy sideburns - add the voice, those LEGS, shoulders, neck, and voila! I have to admit to liking that "On foot?" scene quite a bit, Nan, and he's so brilliant during the Netherfield ball scene - so smug and lovely at the same time - I think that was what pushed me over, although I got the big nudge at the Meryton assembly just minutes before. ;-)

BALDING BRUTES (Renate) Kevin, Colin AND still more? (me, Renate: shaking her head, with a worried look, seriously)... - you're in trouble, Nan, if these two are not enough in one tub. (Nan)Oh, but you don't know my big, beloved, brutish, bald hockey player...;-p In fact, I'd be quite content with just him...:-D (Marilyn) Oh, but I know your beloved balding brute and I'd have no problem making room for him in my tub (she says very respectfully) - LOL!! ;-D please post picture! . Stop - very curious - preferably in tub - stop

TEP RF - the man oozed sex appeal (MARILYN) But CF would have been perfectly cast as Count A. He suggests more physical strength and spiritual depth. (RENATE) RF had every opportunity to ooze sex appeal - scenes in the tub,seductive dances etc! I must admit to a feeling of regret at times that Colin was scripted to play (and play very well, even to the way he sits down) the slightly buffoonish 1930's ex-public school boy type who probably couldn't satisfy his wife. Whilst Count A gazes soulfully at K, Geoffrey dances and sings silly songs, whilst Count A makes passionate love to K, Geoffrey plays Santa Claus. (Although I think there is great tenderness and sadn ss in this scene between husband and wife - the only chance for Colin's fine eyes to come into play, and surely he realises that she has been unfaithful at this point). And there are very few scenes where you can physically contrast CF/RF. CF is actually taller and more broad shouldered, and much stronger and more robust in build than RF, who has a very slight, skinny build. Geoffrey would dominate Count A physically but you never see this. There's a hint in the opening scene where Geoffrey pokes fun at the Count ("broken car - not much good") and looks at him quizically. This is how I would have liked to see Colin throughout!! And when they both walk towards the plane w en Geoffrey leaves for Cairo, you can see the physical contrast - but then the camera switches to Count A gazing at K, and re-engages sympathy for the K/Count A relationship. I suppose I really want to see Colin in roles in which he allows his masulinity to dominate (like a more mature Count A) and doesn't downplay it!! Brings us back to the question of going for the right roles. Although I would be interested to hear Colin's views..I don't get the impression he sees himself as romantic hero!! Shame!! BTW, why does K return to Geoffrey? Is it because she loves him,she feels remorse, she recognises that her relationship with Count A is against the social mores of the time, she just needed a sexual fling, war is imminent and Geoffrey is dependable and English??? And again why do our sympathies have to be directed always towards K/Count A and away from poor old Geoffrey(their love matters, is romantic, his isn't. You can see I don't really like the script!!:-) TUMBLEDOWN The screenplay by Charles Wood is an excellent read (only 50% is dialogue, the rest is background scene/ character setting). I've posted the ISBN earlier.Publisher is Penguin Books but could be out of print.

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I'm back! Now I know that all of you missed me so much but you'll have to control your excitement!!! I am going to try and finish my carriage horse naming contest and I desperately need all of your help! Please check the details on the keepsake board and post suggestions there if you have any! Your help will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks! Now I can finally start drooling again!!!

COLIN'S ROLE CHOICES (Ann) He doesn't want to become bored with doing the same role over and over again. I don't blame him; I wouldn't want to either. I sense that he doesn't have the best feel for scripts. Or a lousy agent. ;-) Doing many different types of roles would certainly be my goal too if I were an actor, so I understand his impulse. However, I think the way to get really good roles is to "go mainstream" if given the opportunity (even if it is a "type" you've already played) after which your choices could significantly increase. I read an interview with Kevin Costner once where he said that people were critical of his choice to do 2 baseball movies back to back (Bull Durham and Field of Dreams). hi answer was someting like "why shouldn't I play two parts that I like just because the movies are about the same sport?" It may not have seemed like a good idea to his agent, but look what those two movies did for his career. Some actors can read a script and know that the movie will be great, others rely on their agents, and others punt. I think Colin is a bit in the last category. He seems to do a lot of mediocre movies. Yes he does. We adore the man, but the movies are usually unsatisfying--for me anyway. I agree--I think he wings it a lot. (Bethan) As to Colin punting for roles (ANN), I agree (I think), but I think it must be very difficult sometimes to know what will/will not be a success. ATA had all the right ingredients, including a good director. This is true. If he had read the book (and I imagine the original script was similar--before they chopped his part to hell) he surely saw that Jess was a perfect part for him. Hmm... (Bethan) Another snippet, on role choice, he was offered the lead role (the Jack Nicholson role) in a major US TV re-make of The Shining, but turned it down even though (I quote him) "he could have done with the money" because he didn't think he could match JN. Was that a good career decision? I don't know--I think he's got a point there. It could be just an endearing bit of humility (or insecurity) but I really think Jack Nicholson was perfect for that role. He's so creepy to begin with and that movie is probably the scariest I've ever seen. There is something so frightening (to me anyway) about being trapped in that huge place in the dead of winter with a psycho husband chasing you with an ax. I think Colin was right about that decision. There are some roles that don't need to be redone. POSTING PROBLEMS? (Bethan) Just to say I'm still here but having problems actually logging in and submitting. You should be okay now--let me know if you're still having trouble. TEP (Renate) Don't get me wrong: I think RFdid a good job as Count All-mushy, in particular the injured one. But there is something about TEP that allways irritated me, kept me away from getting involved into the Almasy/Catherine love story, while I felt very strongly with the husband even when I had not yet discovered Colin at that time! That's it! Maybe that's why I didn't weep. I really didn't feel that this was a grand scale love story but more like lotsa good sex--LOL! I did feel badly for the husband because he seemed to be the only character really in love with anyone else. I think now I can name it: RF is too young for this role, He does have a rather youthful feeling about him, but it didn't really bother me. BTW, Sean Connery can do anything he wants as far as I'm concerned! ;-p What pity he did not get to play the Count. Had P&P happened a bit earlier, probably we would have seen another TEP..... Oh can you just imagine the beauty of that? You've got my mind going in all different directions... (Bethan) Renate, I agree with you about Al-Mushy (love that!)'s relative youth and immaturity. He was much older in the book. Maybe that's why K went back to dependable Geoffrey when war was imminent. What did you think of the ending (in the desert)? Just didn't ring true for me. BTW, Renate--I thought Count Al-Mushy was quite inspired ;-p I didn't read the book so maybe that's why I accept RF in that role. That whole ending part didn't really work for me either. I had my Kleenex all ready too ;-( I still liked the movie, but I would have enjoyed a big, juicy cry at the end...oh well. TUMBLEDOWN (Bethan) The ISBN of the screenplay is 0-14-011198-0 but it may well be out of print. I bought it in a secondhand bookshop (it's on some university literature syllabi now). It's not likely that I could find that, but thanks for whatever information you can pass along. I really am very curious to know more. I still feel like they left a lot unanswered. HIS LEGS! (Nan) Wonderful big shoulders and teensy legs (Bethan) Oh Nan, you're too hard on him! I think he's filled out a bit since Tumbledown! A very little bit ;-p You know why Darcy's thighs are so appealing? The clothes. Colin's body was made to wear those clothes: broad shoulders, narrow hips. breeches that show only thighs and then the boots (where's Margaret for this?) -- that's what does it. The boots make his legs look bigger (or more muscular) than they actually are--and a bee-yew-tee-ful thing it is! ;-D Have a look at your favourite film again (yes, Playmaker!) - legs look OK there. His arms, I grant you, are rather slender - but I like them :-) Oh must I?;-p As I've said before, I feel so badly for Colin in that film that I can't even get up enough saliva to really drool...tis a pity ;-) QUIRKY ROLES / FORGET MAINSTREAM HOLLYWOOD (Renate) Wasn't "Tim" adorable?!!! BTW, I don't think MG "classically handsome". If you look at his features - his face only comes to life with his eyes, but then-!. Without their expression he wouldn't look so dashing at all - the shape of his face or his mouth is nothing to get mad about (don't talk about his body here :-)) ). In respect to facial proportions IMO Colins features are much more classical (AND he has those dimples!) - but I agree with you that MG looks more mainstream handsome. "Tim" was a terribly sweet movie--I haven't seen it in years but I remember thinking he was the most beautiful man I'd ever seen. Obviously, I've added several to that list since then. ;-p Anyway, if you look at MG now, I think that his features are perhaps, not as perfect as they once were. But he still fits my description of "classically handsome". For reasons which I can't explain, I find Colin's looks less conspicuously handsome. OTHER ACTORS WE LIKE (Nan) I'm always impressed by Harvey Keitel (though he does give me the creeps now and again, like Christopher Walken) (Renate) Did you mention CW by accident, or did you know I am one of his biggest fans? For a long time he was rather alone on top of my personal list of "World's Best Actors", until you know who came along :-)) And in his case it is so, too, that he seems to make often choices not easy to understand. That was indeed an accident, I had no idea you were such a big Walken fan. He really does give me the creeps--but I think that's the choice of roles. "The Dead Zone" spooks me every time I watch it and yet I am still compelled to watch it every time it's on. RENATE'S MOVIE GAME (Nan) See now if you were his agent I could rest easy ;-) (Renate) Slumber, dear maid! LOL! I'm afraid you're a number of years too late to use that title...;-p If I were his agent I would talk to Peter Weir next, Ridley Scott and Nora Ephron. I can't make up my mind about Nora Ephron. I always feel like her movies are trying too hard. Remember "Witness", Fearless, The Year of Living Dangerously, just to name a few. You know how I feel about "Fearless"--that movie is very nearly perfect, especially considering its dreadful subject. 'Green Card', a likeable story, could be improved by another cast. I was disappointed, thought GD and AMcC had no chemistry. But make it CF an ..... Juliette Binoche? :-)) Well that's THE idea - turn the Green Card story around... though I would not seriously recommend a remake of anything. There you go! Green Card could have been significantly improved by those changes. You really want to see CF and JB together don't you? LOL! TUMBLEDOWN (Nan)...... I also did a lot of rewinding because I was having a problem hearing some of the dialogue. This is not fault of the tape, just a common problem of mine when watching a movie where people have British or Irish accents--particularly when they are using slang. (Renate) And I thought only I had this problem. I am relieved. :-)) I am determined to get the screenplay somehow. Nope, wasn't only you. There are a few things I still can't make out. After he's been shot and he is carried and placed on the rock--he keeps mumbling something. Is that "I want a cigarette"? I can't seem to get it. And though he looked definitely paralyzed and injured I thought he was the most attractive victim of war in a film I ever saw. BTW, I think he had some help from the mask department. His left upper lid was "immobilized" with something. He was looking mighty pleasant even when they are showing the less than pretty right side of his head. I remember thinking (as he was laying on the hospital bed weeping and mumbling) that his lips looked much fuller than I thought they were. Geez, this is sick...;-D BTW, I thought the actor (who?) who played Hugh has a very good voice. I hadn't noticed--Colin overload ya see...I couldn't believe that I was actually seeing him in every scene... so after the second or third viewing, I found it is a real Colin-drool-movie for me, and started rewinding for other purposes than just to understand the lines. :-)) Yes, me too. And I feel a little guilty about it ;-) BACK TO MR. SEXY PANTS (Marilyn) he's so brilliant during the Netherfield ball scene - so smug and lovely at the same time - I think that was what pushed me over, although I got the big nudge at the Meryton assembly just minutes before. ;-) Oh Netherfield is the nail in the coffin for me. Man owns me from that moment forward! I spend the remaining 4 hours thinking, "Good God, Elizabeth! Have you no hormones?" LOL!

BALDING BRUTES (Renate) Kevin, Colin AND still more? (me, Renate: shaking her head, with a worried look, seriously)... - you're in trouble, Nan, if these two are not enough in one tub. (Nan)Oh, but you don't know my big, beloved, brutish, bald hockey player...;-p In fact, I'd be quite content with just him...:-D (Marilyn) Oh, but I know your beloved balding brute and I'd have no problem making room for him in my tub (she says very respectfully) - LOL!! ;-D (Renate) please post picture! . Stop - very curious - preferably in tub - stop Oh...okay Renate--for your edification then...but I want you to remember that he's MINE! I'll gladly share Colin with each and every one of you, but this one belongs to me ;-p This photo is, coincidentally, called "The Look": Doesn't he look like he'd eat you alive--wicked brute that he is...*sigh/grunt*

Okay...I clearly did something wrong. Here's the link... Messier

Before I go nuts, writing till my fingers fall off, this is a test.

TUMBLEDOWN (nan) I never saw him before in a pair of jeans that did him justice (not even in ATA). I really like the running scene--looking most yummy he is! You even get a pretty bare butt shot--more flattering than the one in "Advocate". But I say again Renate--he's too thin LOL!! I can't help it--he's got these wonderful big shoulders and teensy legs--needs some pasta ;-p Thanks, Nan, for your persistence...I'm finally here. Now about that physique of his. Nice legs, nice butt...but he needs some upper body work. I've recently rented both the Advocate and Femme Fatale, which uncover a lot of his hidden talents, and I really do think he needs to enlist a personal trainer to build up that chest and those scrawny arms. I mean, pretty soon, he will get to a place in his career where he won't do any those types of scenes (like the big stars), so in the mean time, I want to ee him realize his potential. The frame is there, but there needs to be some muscle on those bones. Since you mention the jogging scene in ATA, I was ticked off. Since when would someone jog in Iowa's 90+ degree summer in long sweatpants. He should have been wearing thin nylon shorts. Much better. TEP I really disliked that movie, perhaps, because CF was playing a cuckholded husband. Totally unrealistic to me. RF reminds me of a lizard, those sharp angular types do nothing for me. Give me the cherubic any ol' day. BASIC DARCY DROOL Definitely had me hooked when he said "on foot," and gave that wonderful little smirk. Since I've seen CF in a few roles so far, I must admit that he really needs to keep his hair dark. He looks too young when he goes au naturel. Thank goodness his hair was dyed for Jess. MOVIE GAME Anything in costume. That's why I'm glad that someone earlier suggested Robin Hood. It had occurred to me that CF would have been great (not that Kevin didn't look good--he always does). Now, my suggestion: I can see him in espionage/thriller types of movies. JKust recently, I've seen trailers at the movies for a new movie about the Jackal starring Bruce Willis (the Jackal) and Richard Gere (an IRA terrorest who helps the authorities). That got me to thinking about those types of movies, and I can CF as either of the two characters. I also go back to a TV movie of the Bourne Identity with Richard Chamberlain. While Jason Bourne was American, who would have cared if he were British!! All for now. Thanks again, Nan, I'll try to live up to the high standards all of you have set for his board ;-) Karen

NAN'S MOVIE GAME (Nan) (not to be confused with "RENATE'S MOVIE GAME" which is the more respectable and dignified, though less drooly, version of the two) ;-p I bet, your's is more - eh - satisfying? :-)) (Renate) When this game continues in this direction do you mind if I remove my name from it? :-)) Might be bad for a serious career in another business than personal entertainment... :-)=) (Nan) LOL! We certainly wouldn't want to hinder your career dearest--well...okay. I'll take the blame (credit?) for the truly twisted games...;-p "You cannot do your job honestly, if you are having a career." Colin Firth (Probably badly paraphrased) Adieu, career, welcome twisted games! :-)=) TEP (Bethan) What did you think of the ending (in the desert)? Just didn't ring true for me. Now you say it .... I always wondered how beautiful and tidy Katherine looks in death after how many? days in a dark cave. I would look ten times as messy after only one afternoon in a tourist bus. All-mushy's timing of the last days is too unclear, it distracts a bit from the emotional issue. (Bethan) I must admit to a feeling of regret at times that Colin was scripted to play (and play very well, even to the way he sits down) the slightly buffoonish 1930's ex-public school boy type who probably couldn't satisfy his wife. Whose fault was this???!!! :-)) The more I think about the more I appreciate Colin's performance. The 'buffoonishness' and his clumsy costume, singing silly songs and playing Santa, and unflattering haircut (and hat), might have easily led to a somewhat ridiculous figure, but Colin gave him a quiet dignity (By the way, that is what all Colin characters have in common: dignity). With just a few scenes he suggests a depth none of the others in the desert story line has. The Tuscany characters seem to be deeper. Strange. Or not so strange. Come to think of it, these characters have each and everyone a history, the desert characters have not. Although I think there is great tenderness and sadness in this scene between husband and wife - Beautifully said. I think it is one of the strongest and most important moments of the film. I suppose I really want to see Colin in roles in which he allows his masculinity to dominate ......... and doesn't downplay it!! Oh, yes, please.... Hhhhmmmmmmm TEP is a case for fanfic! 'GEOFFREY'S STORY'! Anyone here who dares? (Oh, the time, dear, the time!) Whilst Count A gazes soulfully at K, Geoffrey dances and sings silly songs, whilst Count A makes passionate love to K, Geoffrey plays Santa Claus. Hey, if there are any guys lurking!!! Here's Auntie Renate speaking, and here you can learn a lot about women! :-)). It's ususally the quiet, cold, unapproachable, even unpolite or snobbish men that women dream of (Mr Darcy, Count Al-mushy, Rick Blayne, any Western hero), while the sociable, socially responsible, friendly, nice guys come second or never (no pun intended) (Charles Bingley, Geoffrey Clifton, Victor Lazlo - exception: Mr Knightley). What a pity. Silly women. What a waste. (What are we to do? My solution: keep both; Nan, I think you are on the right way. Probably we should create a kind of pr miscuity board here. When Arami returns and finds us here straying around in foreign tubs she will set us straight, you bet!) Can anyone here think of more examples (not of foreign tubs, silly!), or contradict me? TUMBLEDOWN SCREENPLAY (Bethan) The screenplay by Charles Wood is an excellent read (only 50% is dialogue, the rest is background scene/ character setting). I've posted the ISBN earlier.Publisher is Penguin Books but could be out of print. Bethan, do you know by accident the name(s) of the biggest London bookstore(s)? I tried to check out online, but was not yet successful. A name would be very helpful.

BALDING BRUTES - THE MORE, THE MESSIER! ;-) (Renate) please post picture! . Stop - very curious - preferably in tub - stop (Nan) Oh...okay Renate--for your edification then...but I want you to remember that he's MINE! I'll gladly share Colin with each and every one of you, but this one belongs to me ;-p This photo is, coincidentally, called "The Look": Doesn't he look like he'd eat you alive--wicked brute that he is...*sigh/grunt* Okay...I clearly did something wrong. Here's the link... Messier ...- and I thought you like the tidy type - ? The linked page enfolded slowly ... seven, fourteen, twenty... thought at first which of these approximately 50 hunks does she refer to, or is it the whole team she longs for? And then came .....THE LOOK! .... LOL! Quite a difference, ladies. Nan, don't worry, but I think I will stick to Colin, or just in case I should long for the hard stuff I can still turn to Christopher Walken. ;-)) Thanks for sharing. Good to get to know each other. LOLOL! PS: Don't you like Willem Dafoe? He has quite a brutish chin, too. BTW, another interesting example how an actor bridges the gap between mainstream Hollywood and offbeat theater. The Wooster Group is definitely strange and experimental, but his Scorsese Jesus was a powerful screen performance. Saw recently a short interview with him, and he seems to be a very normall, honest, nice kind of person. HORSES, HORSES, HORSES, HORSES (Stacey) I'm back! .......... Now I can finally start drooling again!!! GOOD! WHEEEEHEEEHEEE! BBBRRRRHH! Snicker! TEP (Nan) I did feel badly for the husband because he seemed to be the only character really in love with anyone else. Good point. BTW, Sean Connery can do anything he wants as far as I'm concerned! ;-p Truth is truth. ... What about Colin in the Connery role in "Marnie"? Not possessive enough? (Renate)What pity he did not get to play the Count. Had P&P happened a bit earlier, probably we would have seen another TEP..... (Nan) Oh can you just imagine the beauty of that? You've got my mind going in all different directions... Could you please specify which directions you have in mind? Pleeease! More upward? Or rather down? OTHER ACTORS WE LIKE (Renate) Did you mention CW by accident, or did you know I am one of his biggest fans? For a long time he was rather alone on top of my personal list of "World's Best Actors", until you know who came along :-)) That was indeed an accident, I had no idea you were such a big Walken fan. Have you ever seen The Deer Hunter? Or Heaven's Gate? King of New York, Communion. The Comfort of Strangers? (Creepy!) He is - like Colin - intense and minimalist at the same time. And though he has never had THE breakthrough there can be no doubt that he is one of the most respected actors around. TUMBLEDOWN He was looking mighty pleasant even when they are showing the less than pretty right side of his head. I remember thinking (as he was laying on the hospital bed weeping and mumbling) that his lips looked much fuller than I thought they were. Geez, this is sick...;-D LOL! My sentiments exactly. Wonder all the time: there's something about his lips. I think it depends how much he allows his lips to relax, or puts them tightly together. And then there's the camera ankle: when the camera looks upward into his face his lips are ......ehemm..... *samoooch*. Remember one of the first shots in Tumbledown when he gets out of the car? so after the second or third viewing, I found it is a real Colin-drool-movie for me, and started rewinding for other purposes than just to understand the lines. :-)) Yes, me too. And I feel a little guilty about it ;-) That gets better with every viewing ... (probably the guilty feeling is the reason why I hope that the real Robert Lawrence is happy now. :-) )

This is my first time posting here. Was led here from RofP. Just discovered P&P2 (and CF) a month ago, so I've missed alot of good discussion. Had some questions: - What is TEP? - What is a Picard Manoever (after CF says, "What?!")? - What is a "vest-thingie"? - What does DTBT mean? Thanks.

NAN'S MOVIE GAME (Nan) (not to be confused with "RENATE'S MOVIE GAME" which is the more respectable and dignified, though less drooly, version of the two) ;-p (Renate) I bet, your's is more - eh - satisfying? :-)) And exhausting dearest--just exhausting! ;-D (Renate) Adieu, career, welcome twisted games! :-)=) Hallelujah! She's seen the light...;-p TEP (Bethan) What did you think of the ending (in the desert)? Just didn't ring true for me. (Renate) Now you say it .... I always wondered how beautiful and tidy Katherine looks in death after how many? days in a dark cave. I would look ten times as messy after only one afternoon in a tourist bus. LOL! I was thinking the same thing--it was like a 50's sitcom; not a hair out of place, wearing lipstick...then again, I guess they couldn't make her look all "Tales from the Darkside" (does that translate Renate?) otherwise it could be quite ugly... (Bethan) I suppose I really want to see Colin in roles in which he allows his masculinity to dominate ......... and doesn't downplay it!! (Renate) Oh, yes, please.... Hhhhmmmmmmm Oooh, we're breaking out the testosterone! YAY! (Renate) Hey, if there are any guys lurking!!! Here's Auntie Renate speaking, and here you can learn a lot about women! :-)). :-D (Renate) while the sociable, socially responsible, friendly, nice guys come second or never (no pun intended) LOL!! I guess we feel the nice guys are boring. Men do the same thing--I've often found that they seem to be inexplicably attracted to the shall we say, snappy women of the world. (Charles Bingley, Geoffrey Clifton, Victor Lazlo - exception: Mr Knightley). What a pity. Silly women. What a waste. (What are we to do? My solution: keep both; Nan, I think you are on the right way. Probably we should create a kind of promiscuity board here. Works for me--where do I sign up? ;-p When Arami returns and finds us here straying around in foreign tubs she will set us straight, you bet!) Tis true...she will not be happy with us ;-) On the other hand she is a seasoned drooler and I'm sure appreciates men other than Colin--though I've never seen her mention it ;-o Besides, bringing in other droolees is always a good way to liven up the Colin droolfest--get to compare them and all. (Renate) BALDING BRUTES - THE MORE, THE MESSIER! ;-) ROTFLMAO!! :*-D (cryin' I'm laughing so hard). As you are well aware (being far more lingual than I), it is pronounced "Mess-yay", but you may refer to him as Mark, Mess or Moose as the mood strikes you. I prefer "Mess" myself...;-p Messier ...- and I thought you like the tidy type - ? Only the name is dirty (well that and his mouth;-p). Honey that's only the face--you gotta see the rest! ;-) (Renate) The linked page enfolded slowly ... seven, fourteen, twenty... Sorry I should have warned you that it was a slow one. However, I notice that the long wait did not curb your curiosity ;-p thought at first which of these approximately 50 hunks does she refer to, or is it the whole team she longs for? Well, now that you mention it...(I'm kidding, just kidding) ;-D And then came .....THE LOOK! .... LOL! Quite a difference, ladies. He's looks like the anti-Colin, don't you think? Nan, don't worry, but I think I will stick to Colin, or just in case I should long for the hard stuff I can still turn to Christopher Walken. ;-)) Thanks for sharing. Good to get to know each other. LOLOL! I somehow knew you'd have that reaction. Mess has that effect on women...either they are madly in lust (like myself) or they can't imagine what I see in him. No matter--that's my ideal, scars and all. Also, unlike Colin, I've actually seen him in person quite a few times--even walked past him on the street--I assure you, I know what I'm talking about. ;-)... ;-)... ;-)... See now, dear Marilyn got the hots for Mess the moment she saw that picture...win some, lose some :-p Tell you what, if I can have Mess I will relinquish all claims to the Master (inclusive of HIS INCROYABLE) in a New York minute ;-D Love the Master, but gotta have Mess ;-p PS: Don't you like Willem Dafoe? He has quite a brutish chin, too. Geez, you really have a thing for the quirky men don't you? LOL! I never really thought about him if you want to know the truth. OTHER ACTORS WE LIKE (Nan) BTW, Sean Connery can do anything he wants as far as I'm concerned! ;-p (Renate) Truth is truth. ... What about Colin in the Connery role in "Marnie"? Not possessive enough? I never saw it--I know...sacrilege. (Renate)What pity he did not get to play the Count. Had P&P happened a bit earlier, probably we would have seen another TEP..... (Nan) Oh can you just imagine the beauty of that? You've got my mind going in all different directions... (Renate) Could you please specify which directions you have in mind? Pleeease! More upward? Or rather down? South dear, always South ;-p I should rather like to see Colin as Almasy (not Almushy in this sequence or else that would defeat the purpose) in the scene in the kitchen--now THAT'S what should have happened in the silver mine in Nostromo... (Nan) That was indeed an accident, I had no idea you were such a big Walken fan. (Renate) Have you ever seen The Deer Hunter? Yes, very impressive and powerful and satisfying. Or Heaven's Gate? King of New York, Communion. The Comfort of Strangers? (Creepy!) None of these I'm afraid. ;-( TUMBLEDOWN (Nan) He was looking mighty pleasant even when they are showing the less than pretty right side of his head. I remember thinking (as he was laying on the hospital bed weeping and mumbling) that his lips looked much fuller than I thought they were. Geez, this is sick...;-D (Renate) LOL! My sentiments exactly. Wonder all the time: there's something about his lips. I think it depends how much he allows his lips to relax, or puts them tightly together. Really, they looked so much fuller than they normally do that I was wondering what happened to them. BTW, I liked it ;-p Big on lips I am--hence the thing about the big brute... Remember one of the first shots in Tumbledown when he gets out of the car? No I don't. I have to check again. You mean I missed another good lip shot? WELCOME CLAUDIA (Claudia) This is my first time posting here. Was led here from RofP. Just discovered P&P2 (and CF) a month ago, so I've missed alot of good discussion. Oh but there's so much more to come! (stop it Renate!) Good to have you here. I just adore new Colin fans--so much energy for splashing about ya see ;-D Had some questions: - What is TEP? The English Patient. We type as little as we can around here...;-) - What is a Picard Manoever (after CF says, "What?!") Whoa! You really must have hit the archives--I'm impressed! The "Picard Manoever" is a term used by Star Trek fans to describe a movement Captain Picard makes when he rises from his chair. He tugs on the waist of his uniform top, pulling it down so it lays flat. Quite a while ago someone mentioned, I think it was Amy, that Darcy makes a similar tugging motion on his coat when he rises after saying "What?!" . - What is a "vest-thingie"? I don't recall seeing that post, but it could have been before my time. I assume someone was asking the correct name of a garment. You know what? It sounds like something I would say! ;-D I wouldn't be surprised if I had, but I really don't remember that one. Anyone else? - What does DTBT mean? Doin' The Bingley Thing--It means to make mistakes while posting. It's called "the Bingley Thing" because of something said in P&P (the book) about letters written by Bingley...They "mean nothing to their receipients" as he "leaves out half the words and blots the rest". There is a more detailed explanation somewhere at RoP--I think it's in FAQ. Okay Claudia, now spill it--tell us all about the Colin fever you have...When did it start? What scene? Favorite Darcy moment? We want to hear all the gory details ;-D

TUMBLEDOWN (Nan) I never saw him before in a pair of jeans that did him justice (not even in ATA). I really like the running scene--looking most yummy he is! You even get a pretty bare butt shot--more flattering than the one in "Advocate". But I say again Renate--he's too thin LOL!! I can't help it--he's got these wonderful big shoulders and teensy legs--needs some pasta ;-p (Karen)I'm finally here. Glad you made it! Sorry for the trouble... Now about that physique of his. Nice legs, nice butt...but he needs some upper body work. I've recently rented both the Advocate and Femme Fatale, which uncover a lot of his hidden talents, Indeed they do...you chose 2 good ones for drooling. and I really do think he needs to enlist a personal trainer to build up that chest and those scrawny arms. I mean, pretty soon, he will get to a place in his career where he won't do any those types of scenes (like the big stars), so in the mean time, I want to see him realize his potential. The frame is there, but there needs to be some muscle on those bones. Well I certainly agree about the legs (as everyone knows by now ;-p) But I'm just fine with the rest of him. A few weeks ago Arami (who is away from her computer for a bit) said something like his body was "endearingly imperfect" and I liked that. There is something so accessible about someone so normal-looking. As we've been discussing this last week, I think Colin has no interest in either being a "romantic hero" or even very famous. He just wants to do good work. his choices are sometimes strange, but hat's another story. My point is that I can't picture his being "buff"...I'm just intimidated by men whose thighs are thinner than mine! ;-p Since you mention the jogging scene in ATA, I was ticked off. Since when would someone jog in Iowa's 90+ degree summer in long sweatpants. He should have been wearing thin nylon shorts. Much better. Oh please--you're too cruel!! Thin legs and all, if I had gotten to see him running in shorts I would not have left the theatre in such a testy mood. I too couldn't understand why they thought sweatpants were necessary--unless they thought his legs were too skinny too--LOL! TEP (Karen) I really disliked that movie, perhaps, because CF was playing a cuckholded husband. Totally unrealistic to me. Spoken like a true Colin fan ;-) BASIC DARCY DROOL (Karen)Definitely had me hooked when he said "on foot," and gave that wonderful little smirk. So...I'm not the only one? ;-p Since I've seen CF in a few roles so far, I must admit that he really needs to keep his hair dark. He looks too young when he goes au naturel. Thank goodness his hair was dyed for Jess. I agree--I like his hair better dark too and Renate has a thing for his eyebrows ;-D I don't know if it's about youth or about his coloring (skin and eyes) are flattered by the darker hair. What I really think is important is the dark Darcy lashes (that were dyed to match his hair)--made those big chocolate pools (I love that Marilyn!) so very prominent. MOVIE GAME (Karen) Now, my suggestion: I can see him in espionage/thriller types of movies. Just recently, I've seen trailers at the movies for a new movie about the Jackal starring Bruce Willis (the Jackal) and Richard Gere (an IRA terrorest who helps the authorities). That got me to thinking about those types of movies, and I can CF as either of the two characters. Now that you mention it--I could picture him in a "No Way Out" kind of movie, I'm too big a Kevin Costner fan to suggest that he be replaced entirely ;-) How about "The Net"? (sorry Marilyn, don't mean to push aside Jeremy;-p) I also go back to a TV movie of the Bourne Identity with Richard Chamberlain. While Jason Bourne was American, who would have cared if he were British!! I've never seen that...and I love Richard Chamberlain... Thanks again, Nan, I'll try to live up to the high standards all of you have set for his board ;-) You can thank Terry--he did the work. I just whined like the frustrated female that I was (am?) ;-D

Thank Dave and Kaylene Thaler, Dave installed his newest release and fixed the permissions problem.

Thanks Nan, Terry, Dave and Kaylene for solving all the problems!! Much appreciated. BTW, if I have difficulty in submitting, how do I let you know... By e-mail? (If so, where.) Or could I post somewhere in ROP (Ramble?) which I still check regularly. Too much to catch up with now - I WILL BE BACK!

Bethan~ Rather than posting a Spring problem at RoP, I would prefer if you emailed me at either nan@www.spring.com or nan@ntr.net the ladies at RoP have enough going on over there. ;-)

Welcome Karen, Claudia, and Stacey - so happy you've found our silly, drooly group! ;-) "MESS"... (Nan)Only the name is dirty (well that and his mouth;-p). Honey that's only the face--you gotta see the rest! ;-) LOL!!! Renate, see the "rest" - believe me, you won't look at this beautiful, balding beast the same way again. ;-).... (severe drool dribble) DARCY DROOL (Karen)Definitely had me hooked when he said "on foot," and gave that wonderful little smirk. (Nan)So...I'm not the only one? ;-p Heavens, no, dearest!! In fact, I visited the smirk again last night - oooh, yessss - and the glances at Meryton and Lucas Lodge - Nan, he's got huge, melty Hershey bars for orbs, I tell ya!! :-D Speaking of smirks, here's a good one - back at Meryton (sigh) when Bingley is dancing with Jane, he looks over at Darcy with that goofy grin - you see the corners of Colin's lovely mouth curl ever so slightly as he shakes his head in amusement - then he prowls the dance floor, ahhhh, the walk...I haven't even come to the Netherfield ball yet and I'm jello. ;-) RENATE'S GAME (Nan)Now that you mention it--I could picture him in a "No Way Out" kind of movie, I'm too big a Kevin Costner fan to suggest that he be replaced entirely ;-) That limo scene is right up there with Crash's "long, slow, deep, wet kisses that last three days" (am I close?) in the "oh, my" category...;-) How about "The Net"? (sorry Marilyn, don't mean to push aside Jeremy;-p) That's okay, Nan, Colin can seduce with the best of 'em and it would be fun to see him smooch and snarl. So...can I be Sandra on that boat with both Colin and Jeremy?? I mean, since you're sharing your Olympic-sized-pool of a tub with Colin, Kevin, and Mess...?? :-D heeheehee!!!

Thanks Nan, Terry, Dave and Kaylene for solving all the problems!! Too all of you, my thanks as well!! BASIC DARCY DROOL (Nan) I don't know if it's about youth or about his coloring (skin and eyes) are flattered by the darker hair. I read somewhere that his looks were described as angelic or cherubic, whatever, but doesn't that bring to mind those two angels (Raphael's ???) that are on all manner of commercial items these days? When I watched "Another Country" and "A Month in the Country," all I could see were those angel faces and how much CF resembled them (even though he tried to hide it with a moustache). Permanent dye for all future roles. Light-haired guys are rarely taken seriously, I give you Robert Redford as an example. TUMBLEDOWN (Nan)A few weeks ago Arami (who is away from her computer for a bit) said something like his body was "endearingly imperfect" Is that a reference to his moles and the "connect the dots" game you've all been drooling about?? Being a person with moles in many of the same spots as CF, the connect the dots game could have two participants!! Believe me, I'm no "hunkist." I would rather cut my toe nails than go to an Arnold Schwartzenegger movie; however, a little definition wouldn't hurt. I like the long, lean look of his legs and behind. Reminds of long-distance runners. In FF, he picks his wife up out of the wheel chair. How did he do that with those stringy arms of his? Speaking of gross things, on my second viewing of FF, did you notice that in the opening sequence--the wedding--they put CF in a short-sleeved shirt!!! Can you imagine a man getting married with a short-sleeved shirt under his jacket. I looked diligently for cuffs, but they were no where to be found. What a turn off!! From the fashion-impaired Joseph Prince...to the impeccably dressed Darcy. (Nan)Colin has no interest in either being a "romantic hero" or even very famous. He just wants to do good work. his choices are sometimes strange, but hat's another story. Who cares what he wants!! I followed the discussion of how he appears to be taking the Harvey Keitel quirky role route. I tend to think that, especially in the past, after Valmont, he took roles for money...when he needed some, he would do something. I don't think this guy really has a roadmap for his life/career. Too bad! After reading all sorts of articles on FoF, I'm amazed at his naivete with taking the role of Darcy. One of the greatest male roles of all time, comparable to Rhett Butler in appe l IMHO. My point: we all see him as having greater potential than he does. I, for one, would not like to see him taking the HK route...unless it delivered a full frontal as in "The Piano." (Nan)I'm just intimidated by men whose thighs are thinner than mine! ;-p Who isn't!!! (Renate)What about Colin in the Connery role in "Marnie"? Not possessive enough? Not possessive enough for who??? He can play possessive types, he was certainly possessive in FF. Oh I need to find tapes of his other parts (oops, I mean roles). I'm going through withdrawal...perhaps if I go looking for Mel around town, I'll get a fix. Oh where could those vans be today?

What's that? I did not hit "submit response". Buzz of, Count Allmushy!

I've tried several times before to post this, here we go again: NAN'S MOVIE GAME (Nan) Hallelujah! She's seen the light...;-p A MAN! AMEN! TUB (Renate) Probably we should create a kind of promiscuity board here. (Nan) Works for me--where do I sign up? ;-p And the name for the new wet board: "The Tub". BALDING BRUTES - THE MORE, THE MESSIER! ;-) (Nan) Only the name is dirty (well that and his mouth;-p). Honey that's only the face--you gotta see the rest! ;-) I haven't seen the 'rest' yet, but I can imagine where you got the idea from that our dear boy's limbs are too thin. Why don't you compare him to RF, f.e.? ;-)) TUMBLEDOWN Really, they looked so much fuller than they normally do that I was wondering what happened to them. Have checked again: I suppose its mainly the camera angle and the light. And the fact that he allows his lower jaw to drop a bit now and then, lips half open - yummy! (Renate) Remember one of the first shots in Tumbledown when he gets out of the car? (Nan) No I don't. I have to check again. You mean I missed another good lip shot? Above mentioned "sexy lower lip" from a low camera angle. Nan, you asked about one line Robert Lawrence mumbled when he laid there injured. (don't find the right message, here are some people on this topic - I have two in particular in mind - who write these terribly long messages ..:-)=) ) Could it have been: "The boys think I'm dead, the boys think I'm dead"? Would make sense, because they left him lying there on the rock, exposed, while they had to duck and cover, and he thinks they will leave him there for dead. All this dirt and blood and noise - pretty realistic, but I feel drooly..... you are right - this is SICK! :-)) WELCOME From me, too, Claudia and Karen, and Stacey, welcome back. (Nan) Oh, but there's so much more to come! (stop it Renate!) Wot? Moi? I would never dare to suspend any pleasure..... ;-)) BASIC DARCY DROOL (Nan) I agree--I like his hair better dark too and Renate has a thing for his eyebrows ;-D I like them also when they are in 'invisible mode'! It's just that I like his varying looks, his diversity. It's so exiting what he will come up with next. Cannot wait for the first pictures of Secret Laughter of Women. "MESS" (Nan)Only the name is dirty (well that and his mouth;-p). Honey that's only the face--you gotta see the rest! ;-) (Marilyn) LOL!!! Renate, see the "rest" - believe me, you won't look at this beautiful, balding beast the same way again. ;-).... (severe drool dribble) (Before the two of you get completely carried away: much as I respect your Mess-ieur, Mesdames: just a little hint - here's the COLIN drool) :-)) But then I don't really mind - leaves more space in the Darcy tub. "Fitzwilliam, my soap just slipped! Is it here..? Got it! There is something - oh, no, a soap is it not, alas..." DARCY DROOL (Marilyn) Speaking of smirks, here's a good one - back at Meryton (sigh) when Bingley is dancing with Jane, he looks over at Darcy with that goofy grin - you see the corners of Colin's lovely mouth curl ever so slightly as he shakes his head in amusement - Love that one, too! It shows that there is also a private, sweet Mr Darcy, for those who want to see it. RENATE'S GAME (Marilyn)....... "long, slow, deep, wet kisses that last three days" (am I close?) For your benefit I hope you are...:-)) THE TUB So...can I be Sandra on that boat with both Colin and Jeremy?? I mean, since you're sharing your Olympic-sized-pool of a tub with Colin, Kevin, and Mess...?? :-D heeheehee!!! And me in a tub with Colin, Christopher, Willem, Alan, Antonio, Jeff, Sean, Harvey, Kenneth, Harrison, Ray, Jon, Jeremy, Kevin, Ciaran, Jonathan, and - - - the Greater London *and* the L.A. telephone directories.... The marketing people for bath tubs will have to review their construction and sales concepts, if this trend spreads. DUMB BLONDES? (former BASIC DARCY DROOL) (Karen) I read somewhere that his looks were described as angelic or cherubic, whatever, but doesn't that bring to mind those two angels (Raphael's ???) that are on all manner of commercial items these days? Nothing to tempt me. I've known these cherubs for many years now, but they never made me drool.... :-)) There must be something more to CF. (Karen) Permanent dye for all future roles. ... Light-haired guys are rarely taken seriously, I give you Robert Redford as an example. ???????! ??????? Why do you think that RR - of all actors and directors - has difficulties to be taken seriously, in life or in his roles? CAREER AND FAME (Nan)Colin has no interest in either being a "romantic hero" or even very famous. He just wants to do good work. his choices are sometimes strange, but that's another story. Who cares what he wants!! Wot! I call that selfish! Is that love?! I followed the discussion of how he appears to be taking the Harvey Keitel quirky role route. I tend to think that, especially in the past, after Valmont, he took roles for money...when he needed some, he would do something. He admitted to that in an interview, if I remember right (Where is Encyclopediarami when you need her?!). But that is quite a while ago. He's back on track. The Harvey Keitel route, hopefully, and not the Albert Finney route (we wouldn't get to see much of him). Do you really see him mainstream Hollywood? In which position would you like to see him? (Nan! Don't say it! Or, no, please do!) I don't think this guy really has a roadmap for his life/career. Too bad! He's not Demi Moore, right. Don't you know those famous quotes: "You can't do each job honestly if you are having a career" and "You have to be deranged if you want to be famous." CF. My point: we all see him as having greater potential than he does. Speak for yourself, girl. :-)) But seriously, you have to explain this. How would you define his actual potential? And potential as what? As an actor? As a star? In the US, or in the rest of the world? I, for one, would not like to see him taking the HK route... .....but which one? POSSESSIVE? (Renate)What about Colin in the Connery role in "Marnie"? Not possessive enough? (Karen) Not possessive enough for who??? He can play possessive types, he was certainly possessive in FF. Joe Prince acts possessive, IMO, but is not, he's a liberal husband, but forced by circumstances. Stephen Whalby is, if you will, ultimative possessive :-). I don't doubt CF's ability to give a stunning performance as The Possessive Male (*sigh*), but there is a big difference to SC. The latter always radiates a possessive masculinity, while CF is a very different type of man and actor, more sensitve, and "delicate". He's more 'The Seducer' than 'The Conquerer'. The closest he came to that type of man was Darcy in his first proposal scene. (Or did I forget something? Nostromo? Didn't see that yet.) ATA A 1000 ACRES And Karen, I understand that you have seen ATA? What about a bit of a nice little drool on Jess?

DON'T THINK THIS GUY HAS A ROAD MAP FOR HIS CAREER I think he has - it's just that sometimes he falls in love and disappears to the wilds of Canada or Rome, when maybe (only maybe!)he should be hanging around in agents offices in LA!:-) And don't forget he's a very accomplished stage actor - He's always got an alternative road! AND, I've said this before, but sometimes I think we overestimate his choices. Someone asked him in an interview what happened to his career after Valmont and he replied (smiling!) "F*ck all happened!" Ditto, post Darcy, he said th t work actually (incredibly!!) petered out for him for a while. NOT WEARING NYLON SHORTS IN ATA! Some compensation - in WOM he apparently dives into an icy lake and presumably will be wearing a 1930's type bathing suit, knitted jersey wool, rather clingy, guaranteed (shall we say) to distinguish the men from the boys! But my bet is that we'll only get a rear view followed by a waist high shot of him emerging (as in P&P). But I'm only guessing! :-)BTW in P&P Andrew Davies' script has Darcy diving in naked, but Colin apparently said "no"! The fully clothed dive was his idea - very spontaneous but infin tely less revealing. But then we got the wet look! HIS LEGS,ARMS etc Oh, too, too critical!! He's got the build of an endurance athlete (distance runner, soccer player)- no surplus flesh! I've posted on this before (it's worth repeating!) but I've got a friend who saw Colin perform on stage in the lead role in Chatsky (about a Russian intellectual returning home) three to four years ago (and she was sitting very near the stage) She said that he looks very powerfully built on stage (some actors look puny in the flesh) and has a strong physical presence. Plus, he's got a m rvellous deep voice voice, is an excellent actor and he's v. v. handsome. Definitely worth repeating!!!! So there's my claim to fame.. I know someone who has sat within 10 yards of CF for two hours (and wasn't disappointed!!) TUMBLEDOWN Renate, you got the words right! To try for a copy of the screenplay you could email the Ann Day Booksearch (Address: Mary Meadow Cottage, Farnborough Hill, Farnborough, Hants GU14 8AT U.K. Email 101550.1723@compuserve.com) HIS Middle NAME May be able to shed some light on this, says she tantalisingly, but only if Arami gives on his shoe size! (Fair exchange:-)So we'll all have to WAIT!!

DARCY DROOL (Marilyn) I visited the smirk again last night - oooh, yessss - and the glances at Meryton and Lucas Lodge - Nan, he's got huge, melty Hershey bars for orbs, I tell ya!! :-D LOL! More chocolate comparisons ;-) Speaking of smirks, here's a good one - back at Meryton (sigh) when Bingley is dancing with Jane, he looks over at Darcy with that goofy grin - you see the corners of Colin's lovely mouth curl ever so slightly as he shakes his head in amusement - then he prowls the dance floor, ahhhh, the walk...I haven't even come to the Netherfield ball yet and I'm jello. ;-) I haven't watched P&P2 in so long that I'm getting antsy for it...I think I'll take a break from the usual stuff tonight and watch tape 1 of P&P2. The only problem is that it's like potato chips...one is not enough--I always say "just one more" and before I know it, it's 5 hours later... RENATE'S GAME (Nan) Now that you mention it--I could picture him in a "No Way Out" kind of movie, I'm too big a Kevin Costner fan to suggest that he be replaced entirely ;-) (Marilyn) That limo scene is right up there with Crash's "long, slow, deep, wet kisses that last three days" (am I close?) in the "oh, my" category...;-) "Oh my" is right! And yes, you were very close m'dear (left out only "soft" between deep and wet) ;-p So...can I be Sandra on that boat with both Colin and Jeremy?? I mean, since you're sharing your Olympic-sized-pool of a tub with Colin, Kevin, and Mess...?? :-D heeheehee!!! But of course pal, know yourself out ;-D BASIC DARCY DROOL (Karen) I read somewhere that his looks were described as angelic or cherubic, Yeah I remember that too--I think it was here actually ;-) When I watched "Another Country" and "A Month in the Country," all I could see were those angel faces and how much CF resembled them (even though he tried to hide it with a moustache). He does have quite the innocent, boyish face in those--in "Dutch Girls" too. So sweet. I much prefer the older Colin...yummy masculine thing that he is. Permanent dye for all future roles. Light-haired guys are rarely taken seriously, I give you Robert Redford as an example. Yep, Colin looks better with the dark hair IMO. But I happen to be very fond of Robert Redford, for many reasons. The fact that he's blond doesn't bother me in the least. In fact, blonds used to be my type ;-) CONNECT THE DOTS (PART II) (Karen) Is that a reference to his moles and the "connect the dots" game you've all been drooling about?? Being a person with moles in many of the same spots as CF, the connect the dots game could have two participants!! It is indeed a reference to that conversation--and a fun one it was. But I liked Renate's version better--where the dots on two bodies have to meet. Sounds like you're perfect for that one Karen ;-p Believe me, I'm no "hunkist." I would rather cut my toe nails than go to an Arnold Schwartzenegger movie; LOL!! I love Arnold--but not for drooling...I would like to just stand next to him and see if he's real, that's all. ;-) however, a little definition wouldn't hurt. It wouldn't hurt any of us. Since I am constitutionally opposed to the whole fitness craze I have no right to tell him to work on his six pack, when I refuse to myself...;-D I like the long, lean look of his legs and behind. Reminds of long-distance runners. In FF, he picks his wife up out of the wheel chair. How did he do that with those stringy arms of his? I never thought of that! Actually I'd never really thought about his arms. I guess that I concentrate on the legs because we seem to see them more often. (Nan)Colin has no interest in either being a "romantic hero" or even very famous. He just wants to do good work. (Karen) Who cares what he wants!! Well...I do. Regardless of the fact that we all break him down into little parts (like the legs) and talk about him as if he was an object of art, I always remember that he is a person with a right to choose his weird roles. Even if I don't approve of them I will always defend his right to make them. I followed the discussion of how he appears to be taking the Harvey Keitel quirky role route. I tend to think that, especially in the past, after Valmont, he took roles for money...when he needed some, he would do something He did mention somewhere (I think Bethan knows the whole quote) that he did the hideous "Playmaker" because he needed the money and was "desperate" to spend time with his young son (who lives in LA). Gotta pay the rent ya know... My point: we all see him as having greater potential than he does. I, for one, would not like to see him taking the HK route...unless it delivered a full frontal as in "The Piano." LOL!! How often do you see that? Anyway, I'm sure he realizes what he can do--especially after his definitive Darcy. But he always strikes me as a very laid back sort, not overly ambitious or driven until he has to be...quite like myself come to think of it. We, as fans, see what we want to see--his Darcy was so perfect and he can do so many different things well, we are desperate to see him in the roles we would choose. That's why Renate's game is so fun...you get to really let loose on the fantasy. The reality is that he appears to be attracted to roles that will never make him very famous or very rich...but if he's happy--who am I to complain? ;-) Oh I need to find tapes of his other parts (oops, I mean roles). I'm going through withdrawal... I hate when that happens! I've seen about 12 of his movies (and own most of those) and I always go back to P&P2. Others have their moments, but P&P2 is the only one that has true magic throughout.

POSTING PROBLEM (Renate) I've tried several times before to post this, here we go again: I've had some problems myself last night and this morning. Fortunately, it appears to be only the common server thing (whew!) NAN'S MOVIE GAME (Nan) Hallelujah! She's seen the light...;-p (Renate) A MAN! AMEN! Sometimes you really kill me Renate! PMP!!! ;-D TUB (Renate) Probably we should create a kind of promiscuity board here. (Nan) Works for me--where do I sign up? ;-p (Renate) And the name for the new wet board: "The Tub". Perfect--as always...I'm gonna use that one ;-) BALDING BRUTES - THE MORE, THE MESSIER! ;-) (Renate) I haven't seen the 'rest' yet, but I can imagine where you got the idea from that our dear boy's limbs are too thin. Why don't you compare him to RF, f.e.? ;-)) 'Cause I don't have the hots for RF ;-p TUMBLEDOWN (Renate) Nan, you asked about one line Robert Lawrence mumbled when he laid there injured. (don't find the right message, here are some people on this topic - I have two in particular in mind - who write these terribly long messages ..:-)=) ) Waaa, waaa, waaa--okay I'll cut them down to more digestable chunks if it makes you happy. Don't worry old friend, I often think they are too long myself--it's just easier for me to do it all at once... Could it have been: "The boys think I'm dead, the boys think I'm dead"? That's the one! Couldn't figure that out for the life of me. I had the same problem with about 30% of the dialogue. "MESS" (Nan) you gotta see the rest! ;-) (Marilyn) (severe drool dribble) (Renate) Before the two of you get completely carried away: much as I respect your Mess-ieur, Mesdames: just a little hint - here's the COLIN drool) :-)) Well I'd give him is own topic, but I think only me and Marilyn would be in there slipping on the floor wet from drool. Also, I don't really want to encourage too much feminine adoration of my guy because he's MINE!! And you thought Megan was bad with the WET SHIRT-LOL! You ain't seen nothin' yet. ;-) But then I don't really mind - leaves more space in the Darcy tub. "Fitzwilliam, my soap just slipped! Is it here..? Got it! There is something - oh, no, a soap is it not, alas..." LOL! ;-D THE TUB (Marilyn) So...can I be Sandra on that boat with both Colin and Jeremy?? I mean, since you're sharing your Olympic-sized-pool of a tub with Colin, Kevin, and Mess...?? :-D heeheehee!!! (Renate) And me in a tub with Colin, Christopher, Willem, Alan, Antonio, Jeff, Sean, Harvey, Kenneth, Harrison, Ray, Jon, Jeremy, Kevin, Ciaran, Jonathan, and - - - the Greater London *and* the L.A. telephone directories.... Now THAT'S the spirit Renate! Go to it sister. You can have all of the above (even Colin and Kevin) as long as I get the brute ;-p

DARCY DROOL (Marilyn) Speaking of smirks,...when Bingley is dancing with Jane, he looks over at Darcy with that goofy grin - you see the corners of Colin's lovely mouth curl ever so slightly as he shakes his head in amusement - then he prowls the dance floor, ahhhh Boy, oh boy, do I know what you mean. I saw that scene for the first time during the A&E classroom showing. Loved it. What that man can do with his face!! RENATE'S GAME (Marilyn)....... "long, slow, deep, wet kisses that last three days" I don't know about you guy, but I wouldn't mind having some breakfast cereal with Kevin after he paints my toenails, if you know what I mean ;-) I can't believe this--I've only posted twice and in both I've referred to toenails, can't help this one, but I promise no more. DUMB BLONDES? (former BASIC DARCY DROOL) (Renate) Nothing to tempt me. I've known these cherubs for many years now, but they never made me drool.... :-)) There must be something more to CF. I totally agree, that's why he's sooooo much more droolable with darker hair. Perhaps, subconsciously, we picture him as a little more devilish than his cherubic face would connote. Dark-haired guys seem to have more mystery to them...now that I've made some ridiculous generalizations...I'll go on to explain my Redford comments!!!! (Renate) ???????! ??????? Why do you think that RR - of all actors and directors - has difficulties to be taken seriously, in life or in his roles? Don't get me wrong, I have drooled over RR for many years. However, for most of his career, he was typically cast as the pretty boy and he tried and tried to pick roles that would be a significant departure from what was usually offered. The only director to truely appreciate him is Sidney Pollack. After Redford gained famed and fortune (Butch Cassidy), he was able to exploit other abilities on acting, directing and social causes. I have lots of RR films on tape at home...from "Barefoot in the Park" here he displays his great comedic timing to "Out of Africa," where you can't get more droolable (except, perhaps, "The Way We Were") and was underated for his performance. Oh, how I would've loved RR to take a grimy handkerchief out of his pocket and dab at my lips :-) BTW, he too has a small butt and lean legs, maybe that's what's so attractive.... CAREER AND FAME (Renate) He's back on track. The Harvey Keitel route, hopefully, and not the Albert Finney route (we wouldn't get to see much of him). Do you really see him mainstream Hollywood? No, not mainstream Hollywood...probably, more like a Kenneth Branagh. Since my viewiing of him in contemporary pieces is pretty limited, I've kind of gotten used to him in period, costumey roles. Especially, those costumey roles where he loses the costume, period!! (Renate) In which position would you like to see him? (Nan! Don't say it! Or, no, please do!) OOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhh!! Are we going to vote on this???? (Renate) Don't you know those famous quotes: "You can't do each job honestly if you are having a career" and "You have to be deranged if you want to be famous." CF. No, sorry. Never read those famous CF quotes. But they sound very typical of most actors before they hit it big. Granted, fame and derangement are closely linked; however, most actors would agree that the more famous actor gets the better role!!! Didn't I read some supposition here about CF getting RF's role in TEP had P&P aired a little earlier--when the casting was being done and Darcy Mania had taken over England. ;-) (Renate) How would you define his actual potential? And potential as what? As an actor? As a star? In the US, or in the rest of the world? Oh my!!! This is getting way too deep. All I want to do is see him in good roles, either as a "Seducer" or "Conqueror" makes no difference to me. If he's a good actor, he should be able to do both creditably. So far, I would agree, he has been playing the seducer (except in the Advocate, where he was the one being seduced!!). I think he just needs a good Miramax film under his belt and then the better offers would roll in. ATA A 1000 ACRES (Renate) What about a bit of a nice little drool on Jess? Yes, I saw it. Went the very first day it was out. I wanted to see it before I read the reviews in the paper, before Siskel and Ebert panned it, etc. I wanted to form my own opinion. I think Nan did an excellent job when she reviewed it several weeks ago. At that time, I was dying because I couldn't throw in my two cents. But, let's see...what was droolable...ah yes!!! I've got it. I loved the part where Jess runs his hand across JL's back in the kitchen. There is positively the same electricity that you can feel when Darcy and Elizabeth's hands meet (in close up) at the Netherfield Ball. In the book, here were a couple of other such gestures that didn't make it to the film (most notably, the ass pat at the freezer)--too bad, would have made the attraction between Jess and Rose more believable. Oh yes, what was it? The "back as big as Texas" I don't recall who coined it, but he did take up the whole screen. I was truely amazed (and grateful) for the amount of screen time he had in the first half. He seemed to be in nearly every scene. Too bad, they didn't let him do more. Jeans could have been tighter!! The other guys' were. Regarding the accent, I thought he was quite good. I am always amazed when a foreign actor does the American thing. Having seen L.A. Confidential lately, I was shocked when I saw Russell Crowe on Leno. Russell Crowe is from Australia and in LAC, he's an LA cop. If we hadn't known CF as well as we do, would we be so critical. I bought it!! NOT WEARING NYLON SHORTS IN ATA! (Lizbeth) in WOM...will be wearing a 1930's type bathing suit, knitted jersey wool, rather clingy, guaranteed (shall we say) to distinguish the men from the boys! Those suits never looked on anybody, as I recall. But WET and more clingy, yes, I'd pay full admission!! HIS LEGS,ARMS etc (lizbeth) Oh, too, too critical!! He's got the build of an endurance athlete ...he looks very powerfully built on stage (some actors look puny in the flesh) and has a strong physical presence. Plus, he's got a marvellous deep voice voice, is an excellent actor and he's v. v. handsome. No argument from me on any of those points. I like his long, lean (or as some call them thin) legs. I adore his voice, and he has bowled me over with his acting. (I never thought anyone could top the LO Darcy.) [you] know someone who has sat within 10 yards of CF for two hours (and wasn't disappointed!!) I'm sure I wouldn't be disappointed as well.

CAREER AND FAME (Renate) In which position would you like to see him? (Nan! Don't say it! Or, no, please do!) Geez, I don't know how I missed this one before...tsk, tsk, tsk (must be slipping...) But to answer your question dear Renate of the Looking Glass, I should be quite content if he just picked something comfortable...he doesn't even have to pay attention to me if doesn't want to ;-p COLIN TALKIN' DIRTY (Bethan) Someone asked him in an interview what happened to his career after Valmont and he replied (smiling!) "F*ck all happened!" I just love those British expressions...the all part is not common here ;-) NOT WEARING NYLON SHORTS IN ATA! (Bethan) Some compensation - in WOM he apparently dives into an icy lake and presumably will be wearing a 1930's type bathing suit, knitted jersey wool, rather clingy, guaranteed (shall we say) to distinguish the men from the boys! Oh yum!! BTW in P&P Andrew Davies' script has Darcy diving in naked, but Colin apparently said "no"! The fully clothed dive was his idea - very spontaneous but infinitely less revealing. But then we got the wet look! I think he was just tired of showing his bare butt--does that often I've noticed. HIS Middle NAME (Bethan) May be able to shed some light on this, says she tantalisingly, but only if Arami gives on his shoe size! (Fair exchange:-)So we'll all have to WAIT!! I wasn't even aware that he had one...hmmm..."Fred"? ;-p

Thanks for answering my questions. I had stumbled across archives during that frustrating time when I couldn't post anything to this board. Although it's an unhappy thought to see how much good stuff I've missed in the past, the one good point is that so many people said exactly what I would have said anyway. So I just couldn't experience it in "real time." I can deal with it. Getting back to the CF/P&P2 experience, the "On foot?" scene had a huge impact, as well as the prowl at the Neth. ball (and, of course, the first couple minutes of their dance together). On repeated viewings, I noticed more good stuff: the little "Hmmm"s, the walk, little rolls of the eyes now and then, all the things that so many others have detailed in their posts. Also compelling to me are the scenes where he is searching the streets of London. It's a nice piece of film making, Elizabeth safe at ho e with her family, Darcy dealing with the dirt and scum of the world to protect her. (But maybe I just like the way his pants fit in those scenes .... ok, I admit it.) What is so compelling about this actor playing this character? I haven't figured it out (and do I really care?). But he is so expressive in such a subtle way. Even, just after "On foot?", when Mrs. Hurst says, "She looked almost WILD", you could get CF's impression from just a one quarter view. It's amazing how he can express so much without saying anything.

DARCY DROOL Have to join the "On foot" brigade - I really sat up and took notice! I like the way his pants fit (CLAUDIA) Tut! Claudia, do you mean to say you weren't debating whether Andrew Davies's use of flashbacks was true to the spirit of Jane Austen - like the rest of us!!:-) And talking of tight pants, has he ever worn them, apart from in P&P? This is not a rhetorical question - I am genuinely seeking information!:-) All I can recall are on a scale from normal to baggy. And even when he gives interviews, references to his trousers are distinctly unexciting - "brown corduroys", "crumpled trousers" (can crumpled be tight?) and (E-e-e-K!!!)even "jogging bottoms" (the favorite resort of all fashionably challenged males - or perhaps he had actually been out jogging!) I rest my cas ... He can express so much without saying anything (CLAUDIA) Oh so true - even in smaller roles like TEP this is very apparent. The eyes always have it!

Someone (sorry, too lazy to go back up and look) wanted to know what a "vest-thingie" is. This reference came up in conversation last spring, when someone commented on how attractive Darcy looked in his vest-thingie (his waistcoat) when Elizabeth burst on on him while he was playing billiards. (An early sign of keepership?);-) About his movies~~~ I have a fondness for The Wings of Fame. He's at his lanky best---so much so that my DH will be getting a blue shirt like the one he wore in the movie! I love his long-legged strides, Boots or not, and he's very active in this movie---lots of walking! I don't understand, however, why this director and the director of Femme Fatale favored an upright lovemaking position. . . . This is my meager contribution. Those of you who parse so wonderfully for pages and pages, you have my admiration and my respect! Meggin

Hi! This is my first time posting here. I've been reading for a couple of days. I tried posting before but their were problems. BTW, thank you Nan for your e-mail. I found about this place from RoP. I usually hang out at the P&P2BB. Wow, this place is for me. Usually, I can't talk about my obsession with actors with friends because they just don't understand. Well, I just tell them that they are missing out. I saw ATA a couple of days ago. I must say that I was disappointed in the movie overall, but it was a nice treat seeing CF in something new. I've realized now how much make-up they put on him in P&P because he barely had any on in ATA. Makes a huge difference, this make-up business. This is it for now. I'll be posting more in the future. Alicia, glad to be here.

Sorry ladies, it was having some posting problems this week (it was my turn I guess ;-p) DARCY DROOL (Marilyn) you see the corners of Colin's lovely mouth curl ever so slightly as he shakes his head in amusement - then he prowls the dance floor, ahhhh (Karen)Boy, oh boy, do I know what you mean. I saw that scene for the first time during the A&E classroom showing. Loved it. What that man can do with his face! I find it really interesting that his expressions are so subtle (the tiny blink after "had you behaved in a more gentlemanlike manner", the little eye roll after "what are you telling Miss Bennet?") Then again, once you're hooked, you watch that film so closely that nothing escapes your notice. RENATE'S GAME (Marilyn)....... "long, slow, deep, wet kisses that last three days" (Karen) I don't know about you guy, but I wouldn't mind having some breakfast cereal with Kevin after he paints my toenails, if you know what I mean ;-) I can't believe this--I've only posted twice and in both I've referred to toenails, can't help this one, but I promise no more. LOL! We forgive you the toenails dear ;-) Kevin is a big favorite around here...especially the Bull Durham role. I wonder why that is? All of us Colin fans seem to have a little thing for Kevin Costner as well...do they have anything in common you think? DUMB BLONDES (Renate) ???????! ??????? Why do you think that RR - of all actors and directors - has difficulties to be taken seriously, in life or in his roles? (Karen) Don't get me wrong, I have drooled over RR for many years. However, for most of his career, he was typically cast as the pretty boy and he tried and tried to pick roles that would be a significant departure from what was usually offered. I agree. I don't think he really got the opportunity to take control of his career until after he directed "Ordinary People". BTW, I really did not like that movie at all, but I understood why everyone else did. I was (and still am) upset that it won the Oscar that year instead of the far superior "Raging Bull"...just my opinion. The only director to truely appreciate him is Sidney Pollack. After Redford gained famed and fortune (Butch Cassidy), he was able to exploit other abilities on acting, directing and social causes. I have lots of RR films on tape at home...from "Barefoot in the Park" I have that one too--you can't help but love it. Even Jane Fonda, who normally irritates me, is quite adorable. "Out of Africa," where you can't get more droolable (except, perhaps, "The Way We Were") See Renate? ;-p In case you missed it Karen, I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I thought RR had been perfectly cast in TWWW. I don't think Renate likes that movie very well. I weep like a big idiot every time ;-) BTW, he too has a small butt and lean legs, maybe that's what's so attractive.... I've never been enough of a RR fan to really pay attention, but I hear that he's quite a small man--not that it takes away from his appeal for me at all. ;-) CAREER AND FAME (Renate) He's back on track. The Harvey Keitel route, hopefully, and not the Albert Finney route (we wouldn't get to see much of him). Not to get off track here but what do you guys think of Albert Finney? I thought that he was the most sympathetic character in Nostromo, but I haven't seen him in many other films. Although "Scrooge" is one of my favorite holiday films. I'm big on Christmas anyway, but if I don't watch that particular version of A Christmas Carol every year, I don't feel like it's Christmas...know what I mean? Well that was a weird tangent ;-p (Renate) Do you really see him mainstream Hollywood? (Karen) No, not mainstream Hollywood...probably, more like a Kenneth Branagh. Since my viewiing of him in contemporary pieces is pretty limited, I've kind of gotten used to him in period, costumey roles. Especially, those costumey roles where he loses the costume, period!! LOL! There are a few of those aren't there? Not nearly enough for my taste, but you take what you can get I suppose. ;-) I think Kenneth Branagh as a completely different animal. (No offense Cheryl dearest, just an expression ;-p) He may not be as commercially successful as say Mel Gibson, but he is very well respected and known for quality work. Also, he gets involved in all aspects of a film (in fact I don't really think of him as just an actor or just a director--there's a whole package thing happening there). If Colin were half as well known and respected in the US as KB, I should be very pleased indeed. (Renate) In which position would you like to see him? (Nan! Don't say it! Or, no, please do!) (Karen) OOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhh!! Are we going to vote on this???? Feel free--I already gave my answer ;-.) ATA A 1000 ACRES (Renate) What about a bit of a nice little drool on Jess? (Karen) I loved the part where Jess runs his hand across JL's back in the kitchen. There is positively the same electricity that you can feel when Darcy and Elizabeth's hands meet (in close up) at the Netherfield Ball. I didn't even notice that! Damn, looks like I really should see it again...;-) Oh yes, what was it? The "back as big as Texas" I don't recall who coined it, but he did take up the whole screen. Didn't it though? Even if it was just a camera angle thing it still got me all happy! ;-) Jeans could have been tighter!! The other guys' were. Skinny legs ;-p (Karen)(I never thought anyone could top the LO Darcy.) Not offense the the marvellous LO, but that version has so little relation to the P&P I know, that I can't even watch it.

FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT (Claudia) Also compelling to me are the scenes where he is searching the streets of London. It's a nice piece of film making, Elizabeth safe at home with her family, Darcy dealing with the dirt and scum of the world to protect her. (But maybe I just like the way his pants fit in those scenes .... ok, I admit it.) LOL! I saw a conversation in the archives about whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. Too funny! ;-.D Isn't it nice to know that you are not alone Claudia? ;-p (Yoooo-hooo, Cheeeeryyyl--where are you for this conversation?);-) (Claudia) What is so compelling about this actor playing this character? I haven't figured it out I think we've all tried to figure this one out, but never really came to anything conlusive except perhaps the obvious answer of perfect casting. If you come up with anything, please share it. Apparently Colin was not overly enthusiastic about this role and had never even read the book before being offered the part. He also said that his aunt begged him not to take the role because she didn't want him to destroy her girlhood Darcy crush. Even his brother said, "Isn't Darcy supposed to be sexy?" LOL! As if Colin isn't. Anyway, if he can do this with a role he wasn't thrilled about, can you imagine what he could do with a role he desperately wanted? ;-) TIGHT PANTS :-D (Bethan) And talking of tight pants, has he ever worn them, apart from in P&P? This is not a rhetorical question - I am genuinely seeking information!:-) ;-D The only one I can think of is the running in jeans sequence in Tumbledown. I really liked that part ;-p FAVORITE COLIN ROLES (Margaret) I have a fondness for The Wings of Fame. He's at his lanky best---so much so that my DH will be getting a blue shirt like the one he wore in the movie! Excellent Boot Lady!! So good to see you dear ;-) I like WOF too, for completely drooly reasons of course. That is one strange film. I really liked the premise but I felt they didn't do very much with it. Somewhere in the middle it just gets weird. However, he is looking quite delectable throughout. ;-.p I love his long-legged strides, Boots or not, and he's very active in this movie---lots of walking! And he's got another one of those long coats flowing behind him as he takes those yummy long strides. I don't understand, however, why this irector and the director of Femme Fatale favored an upright lovemaking position. . . . LOL! I've often wondered that myself.:-) The director of The Advocate has him in the same position. I know nothing about filmmaking but I would take a guess that it must be a flattering angle from which to film. WELCOME ALICIA! Hi! This is my first time posting here. I've been reading for a couple of days. I tried posting before but their were problems. BTW, thank you Nan for your e-mail. Ah, you got it. Good. Thank you for sticking with us through the technical problems. Wow, this place is for me. Usually, I can't talk about my obsession with actors with friends because they just don't understand. This is indeed the place for you then! In addition to Colin there are plenty of other actors who have their own topic here. Feel free to dive into those boards too.

HIS LEGS,ARMS etc (Bethan) Oh, too, too critical!! ....... She said that he looks very powerfully built on stage ......... and has a strong physical presence. Plus, he's got a marvellous deep voice voice, is an excellent actor and he's v. v. handsome. Definitely worth repeating!!!! This comment makes me all weak ........flutters all over me!.. :-)) Please repeat it at regular intervals! TUMBLEDOWN Bethan, thank you very much for the book search address! BTW, Bethan, I tried to email you, but it came back twice - email me? HIS Middle NAME - ANOTHER GAME (Bethan) May be able to shed some light on this, says she tantalisingly, but only if Arami gives on his shoe size! (Fair exchange:-)So we'll all have to WAIT!! So we have to pass away our time...another opportunity for a game: Everyone has 5 guesses, within the next 3 days.:What's his middle name? (Nan) ........ Regardless of the fact that we all break him down into little parts (like the legs) and talk about him as if he was an object of art, I always remember that he is a person with a right to choose his weird roles. Well spoken, Nan! TUMBLEDOWN (Renate) ... (don't find the right message, here are some people on this topic - I have two in particular in mind - who write these terribly long messages ..:-)=) ) (Nan) Waaa, waaa, waaa--okay I'll cut them down to more digestable chunks if it makes you happy. Don't worry old friend, I often think they are too long myself--it's just easier for me to do it all at once... DON'T you dare to cut them down!!!!! I love your long posts. I'm not afraid of long texts! :-.)) CAREER AND FAME (Karen) No, not mainstream Hollywood...probably, more like a Kenneth Branagh. Since my viewiing of him in contemporary pieces is pretty limited, ... Contemporary makes a big difference, IMO, but not less attractive. MOTM (terrific!) is not yet available on NTSC, as far as I know, but 'Hostages' is. And FP (a must!) he's just......just.......just..... irresistible. When it's out on PAL on Oct 27, it cannot be too long until it will be available on NTSC, hopefully, for you. I would say Kenneth Branagh is not the best example, because he is at least as much a director (and producer (?)) as an actor - he usually creates his own roles. I think that make a big difference. I keep on thinking in which position I would like to see him ("On top! On top!") :-)) Probably Jeremy Irons is a good example how an English actor can become a big star on both sides of the pond, and not getting used up by the Hollywood machinery. He was in big epic roles as well as in smaller and even quirky m vies. But it took many years to become the icon he is now. PANT, PANT, PANT! (was before A 1000 ACRES) Jeans could have been tighter!! The other guys' were. Oh, dear. This obsession again. :-)) Every conversation about CF seems to run into the topic of pants after a while...... NOT WEARING NYLON SHORTS IN ATA! ...see what I mean? And now for something completely different: DARCY DROOL I like the way his pants fit (CLAUDIA) And talking of tight pants, has he ever worn them, apart from in P&P? This is not a rhetorical question - I am genuinely seeking information!:-) ............?!!! :-)) VEST OF THE SUN... (Meggin)...... how attractive Darcy looked in his vest-thingie (his waistcoat) when Elizabeth burst on on him while he was playing billiards. ......-so much so that my DH will be getting a blue shirt like the one he wore in the movie! This is my meager contribution. Welcome here, Meggin. Don't call it meager. It's pretty rich! You have brought in - for a change :-)) - a T-SHIRT, and spoken about the VEST! And you introduced the elementary question we have never really answered before - though this is dangerously close to the former item again (remember that tiny little grey-blue triangle in left lower corner of screen?) : .... why this director and the director of Femme Fatale favored an upright lovemaking position. . . . Which I, BTW, would not want to have changed! You don't like it? What do you think, did the actors have a word on it? Probably they tried to avoid the clich�. It must be pretty difficult to find some new aspects for the camera of a too-well-known subject. MAKE UP (Alicia) I found about this place from RoP. I usually hang out at the P&P2BB. Wow, this place is for me. Welcome, Alicia! (Alicia) I've realized now how much make-up they put on him in P&P because he barely had any on in ATA. Makes a huge difference, this make-up business. Do you remember enough, that you can describe the difference more detailed? Since I will have to wait for the treat of Jess until March 1998, I need to know every detail! Was he absolutely cleanly shaved or had he a dark shade on his chin? Had dark or light eyebrows, lashes? And, BTW, did you recognise any of the Darcy gestures, such as back-of-hand-to-mouth, clearing his throat etc.? CAREER AND FAME AND SANTA (Nan) I'm big on Christmas anyway, but if I don't watch that particular version of A Christmas Carol every year, I don't feel like it's Christmas...know what I mean? Well that was a weird tangent ;-p Indeed, it was. :-) MYfavourite Christmas movie is 'Die Hard I'. :-)) Love it! And the one with Jimmy Stewart which title I can never remember. And my fav Christmas song is "Driving home for Christmas" by Chris Rea..... BTW, I spotted the first Christmas cookies already in August this year ... :-)) ........but where was I? Oh, yes my favourite Santa Claus is Geoffrey Clifton..... phew, got the way back again in the very last minute. What would I give for a hug by him at Christmas! Or any time of y ar, come to think of it. And not just a hug.

Ooops, Meggin, did not recognise you as Margaret the Boot Lady, but you are? How are the boots, clean and shiny? Or did they fall victim again to the cute little Pemberley pups?

I've seen about 12 of his movies (and own most of those) and I always go back to P&P2. Others have their moments, but P&P2 is the only one that has true magic throughout. I agree! I just can't get enought of that man! I think the reason I keep watching it over and over (besides the obvious) is that I keep hoping that I will see something I missed, or that there will be a whole lot of scenes that weren't there, like the wedding night for instance. I just want there to be MORE of their relationship. Can't we BEG Andrew Davis to write more, with our guidence or course! :) And it is on tomorrow night YEA!!!

]Ooops, Meggin, did not recognise you as Margaret the Boot Lady, but you are? I am. (I've always loved the way CF speaks those 2 words, as Darcy, during the dance at Netherfield). I began here as Meggin, but went to my real name when the Republic left Spring. Why? Because a new member of the Republic, impressively smart and funny, had a similar name (Megan, of course) and I did not wish to cause confusion. However, I had not reckoned that so many would keep referring to me as Meggin when I'm in chat---so, maybe I'll go back to being Meggin as there is little danger that someone will mistake me for that wonderful soul, Megan. ]How are the boots, clean and shiny? But of course! They're all ready for Megan to use in November when she defends her thesis. With His Boots, the WET SHIRT, and Lesley's waistcoat (the vest-thingie ;-)), Megan will be soooo spiffy! And, for the record, let me state emphatically that I very much appreciated the scenes where CF makes love in a sitting position. However, it's not usual to make love that way and I found it odd that it occurred in more than one movie!;-) Later......Meggin

MAKEUP (Renate)Do you remember enough, that you can describe the difference more detailed? Was he absolutely cleanly shaved or had he a dark shade on his chin? Had dark or light eyebrows, lashes? And, BTW, did you recognise any of the Darcy gestures, such as back-of-hand-to-mouth, clearing his throat etc.? I don't know if this will be much help because I practically forgot half the movie. He wasn't very cleanly shaven. His eyelids looked different. I think they looked puffier. And I looked very hard for Darcyesque gestures but barely found any (or maybe I wasn't looking very hard enough). I tried to find a hint of "The Look" but didn't succeed. There was this one scene in which he touched the back of Jessica Lange. It was subtle and it reminded my of his subtlety in P&P. Overall, he looked younger. PANTS Pants seem to be a big topic here so I'll put in my thoughts. In P&P, I thought he looked best at Pemberley when he's in the outfit he changed into right after the pond scene and runs down to meet Elizabeth. He was wearing khaki colored pants and a dark top. His hair looked gorgeous. And he keeps fidgeting with that ring of his. I always watch the Pemberley scene the most. Alicia

POSITIONS (Meggin) I don't understand, however, why this director and the director of Femme Fatale favored an upright lovemaking position... Haven't we all agreed that CF is multi-faceted!!! I seem to recall that in FF, a lot of the love-making is pretty horizontal. The most memorable being where she is on top and his face is perfectly expressing a "near-out-of-body" experience!!! He almost seems to be mouthing "oh....stop." Oh, gee, I wonder what she is doing???? Maybe this belongs on the "promiscuity" board. RENATE'S GAME (nan) Kevin is a big favorite around here...especially the Bull Durham role. I wonder why that is? All of us Colin fans seem to have a little thing for Kevin Costner as well...do they have anything in common you think? Definitely, a boyish look and both are pretty lean in the leg department. Are they interchangeable though? Not really, KC was ok as Robin Hood (wouldn't wear tights though) and IMHO he can't do period English roles; I mean, could you see him as Darcy. I think not!! However, there is an undercurrent of sensuality beneath those boyishly good looks. Kevin has been one of my favs for a long time...Since he's such a big star he doesn't bare the bod anymore. Our loss! DUMB BLONDES (nan) ...from "Barefoot in the Park" I have that one too--you can't help but love it. Even Jane Fonda, who normally irritates me, is quite adorable Isn't she?? And then, he made another film with her...The Electric Horseman..I'm so glad she isn't making movies anymore!!! (nan) ...I thought RR had been perfectly cast in TWWW. Perfectly, cast. Does he not exemplify the ultimate, rich WASP guy, as a contrast to Barbra. Total opposites that do attract--for a time--but that cannot forever. OLIVIER (nan) No offense the marvellous LO, but that version has so little relation to the P&P I know, that I can't even watch it. I know what you mean. When I saw it many, many year ago, I hadn't read the book. But I just loved LO (an early crush of mine) and it was reinforced by his Heathcliff (I still think his is the best--I can't countenance RF's mean mad Heathcliff), Hamlet, Maxim DeWinter (need I go on). I just saw the old P&P again on TV and was totally disgusted by what they did to the story. However, I will never be disgusted by LO's portrayal of Darcy--despite the script!! Signed a "loyal lord larryite." FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT (Claudia) (But maybe I just like the way his pants fit in those scenes .... ok, I admit it.) (nan) whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. Oh, my!!!! And I thought I was the only one who noticed that switcheroo, but was too ladylike to bring it up. Since it's up, I mean the topic can't be kept under wraps anymore, I didn't think men did this? It is one side or the other? I mean a tailor will ask so that he knows how to deal with the inseam length for one leg vs. the other. Ok, what's the deal here. From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. CAREER AND FAME (Renate) Contemporary makes a big difference, IMO, but not less attractive. MOTM (terrific!) is not yet available on NTSC, as far as I know, but 'Hostages' is. And FP (a must!) he's just......just.......just..... irresistible. I just saw "Hostages" and you are so right!!! He was great and, while I know I have been critical about his body in all those other films, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO COMPLAINTS ON THIS ONE!!! I just thought I'd emphasize that fact. OK, I'm uyp to 11 CF films now and, with the exception of "Another Country" and "A Month in the Country," this guy has been taking off his clothes in every one. Granted, he is only in the tub in P&P, but I'm amazed...maybe that's why he didn't want to dive into the pond in the bu f. He has certainly exposed himself more than most other actors. But I definitely liked him in Hostages and it gave me a new perspective on possible roles for "Renate's Movie Game"!!! While the hairy look isn't my cuppa, he was certainly appealing when he was allowed to shave...and then wearing those "little nylon shorts." I loved the line when he wakes up in the new cell and barely takes a look at the other occupants and says: "Don't they ever kidnap women around here?" CF looked especially good in comparison to Ciaran Hinds. He was soooo flabby looking (I know th t will offend many who liked his Captain Wentworth. I liked his Captain W, but he is better clothed.) (Renate) Probably Jeremy Irons is a good example how an English actor can become a big star... I thought about using him as an example, and for the most part I would agree. He started out in BBC period pieces (Brideshead) and has now graduated to action villain (Lethal Weapon 3). But there's one disgusting role of JI's that keeps coming back (and up on me) that I can't forget. The name of the film eludes me, but it was about twins. I really hated that movie. MAKE UP (Renate) Re: Jess I need to know every detail! Was he absolutely cleanly shaved or had he a dark shade on his chin? Had dark or light eyebrows, lashes. And, BTW, did you recognise any of the Darcy gestures, such as back-of-hand-to-mouth, clearing his throat etc.? Gee, I guess I didn't focus on his being made up in P&P. Yes, his hair was dyed and permed (I think) and he had to grow those great big sideburns... As Jess, his hair was dark, kinda wavy and close cropped. It's been a couple of weeks, but I don't remember the "five o'clock shadow" look on his face as was so prevalent as Darcy. Because I was so thrown by the lack of accent, I don't think I caught every single nuance. Maybe when it gets to the cheap shows ($2.75), I'll put myself through it again! Th t should be in about a week, given it's less than stellar performance at the box office. BTW, he doesn't wear a pinky ring in this one. (Alicia) There was this one scene in which he touched the back of Jessica Lange. It was subtle and it reminded my of his subtlety in P&P. Nan, go back and watch it again. As I said, this is worth the price of admission. Can this guy do more with the tiniest of gestures??? Sorry about the long post, but I had at least 3 days of messages to absorb.

No need to apologize for long messages on this board. They are welcome! Or does anybody mind? Speak now or be silent on this subject forever! THE BOOT KEEPER I am. On foot? Wot? Ah, I love them all, these shorties (? :-) ). Ok, Margaret-Meggin, I think I've got it. :-)) A name for every boot. (Meggin) And, for the record, let me state emphatically that I very much appreciated the scenes where CF makes love in a sitting position. Oh, do you, indeed? I second that statement. And Joe Prince apparently did, too. :-)) MAKEUP (Alicia) I don't know if this will be much help because I practically forgot half the movie. I know what you mean. I have seen Fever Pitch 4 times, but it is simply difficult to recall particular scenes exactly RENATE'S GAME (nan) All of us Colin fans seem to have a little thing for Kevin Costner as well...do they have anything in common you think? (Karen) Definitely, a boyish look and both are pretty lean in the leg department. Are they interchangeable though? Not really, KC was ok as Robin Hood (wouldn't wear tights though) and IMHO he can't do period English roles; He was just ok, (Loved Rickman!) but I always imagine Mel Gibson in that role, but he made Hamlet at that time. And I thought, it would be interesting to see a completely American version of Hamlet with KC. (I have so many unmade films in my head). But with King Lear in Iowa not really taking off I'm afraid we will have to wait for that a while. But back to Colin. Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. (Karen) However, there is an undercurrent of sensuality beneath those boyishly good looks. KC is so quintessential American, I don't see him in anything non-American. He is good at quiet, low-key acting. And, speaking of "Undercurrents", he reminds me a bit of Robert Mitchum, another one of these quiet, low-key actors. BTW, that would be a wonderful role for Colin, the Mitchum role in "Undercurrents". OLIVIER (Karen) (I still think his is the best--I can't countenance RF's mean mad Heathcliff) His hair, Louisa, his hair! Sorry Rafe. The HAIR and the EARS. They stuck terribly out in one scene, and I got never over it, though I liked the film alltogether, and Colins little brother, too, a sickly creature, but cute. Love Olivier, too. For many years he was for me the incarnation of male beauty (Hamlet). In fact, I thought, when I discovered CF first in P&P, that he reminded me uncannily of LO. Imagined him in every LO role, in particular as Maxim de Winter, imagined him playing LO's life. FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (nan) whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. (Karen) Oh, my!!!! And I thought I was the only one who noticed that switcheroo, but was too ladylike to bring it up. Since it's up, I mean the topic can't be kept under wraps anymore, I didn't think men did this? It is one side or the other? ........ From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. He was upset, a bit beneath himself then .... :-)) But no, there are essentials a man would never forget, I suppose. Probably it had something to do with the fashion of the time, and what we see is just the shirt not properly tucked in... . For they did not wear underpants in those times, but long shirts which tails they wore between the legs ... and probably used to show off (But never Mr Darcy!). BTW, a statistic: only 20% of men prefer the left side, and 80% right, or was it the other way round? CAREER AND FAME (Karen)OK, I'm uyp to 11 CF films now and, Now that two of you mentioned it, I have counted the number of CF films I have seen, too. It is 18. Wouldn't have thought it. with the exception of "Another Country" and "A Month in the Country," this guy has been taking off his clothes in every one. ATA, too? But I definitely liked him in Hostages and it gave me a new perspective on possible roles for "Renate's Movie Game"!!! And? (Renate) Probably Jeremy Irons is a good example how an English actor can become a big star... I thought about using him as an example, and for the most part I would agree. He started out in BBC period pieces (Brideshead) and has now graduated to action villain (Lethal Weapon 3). Wasn't he in 'Die Hard with a Vengance', too? Hope he takes this direction only for a change, and not permanently! :-)) MAKE UP Gee, I guess I didn't focus on his being made up in P&P. Yes, his hair was dyed and permed (I think) I think he has natural curls, at least wavy, and there is reason to believe that he considers himself to be dark-haired. He should know. It's been a couple of weeks, but I don't remember the "five o'clock shadow" look on his face as was so prevalent as Darcy. Do you mean the growing facial hair with "five o'clock shadow"? Another hint that he is rather dark. Has anyone ever checked if - oh, I not ask here - check myself. Means Playmaker and HOTP, again. Alas. :-)) Because I was so thrown by the lack of accent, Did you notice anything about his voice, a change, being stange, different?

PLEASE SIR, I WANT SOME MORE... (Chey) I keep hoping that I will see something I missed, or that there will be a whole lot of scenes that weren't there, like the wedding night for instance. I just want there to be MORE of their relationship. Can't we BEG Andrew Davis to write more, with our guidence or course! :) Much as I love P&P2, I will never forgive Andrew Davies for leaving out the most juicy parts...not only between L&D, I would have really loved to see Mrs. Bennet lose her mind over L&D's engagement. A QUESTION OF POSITION (Margaret) And, for the record, let me state emphatically that I very much appreciated the scenes where CF makes love in a sitting position. However, it's not usual to make love that way Well...I dunno ;-p and I found it odd that it occurred in more than one movie!;-) I think that maybe it is more flattering to the male involved. Didn't Colin make a comment something like, "who wants to see bums moving up and down"? LOL! Let's take a vote--just raiser your hands ladies ;-p (Karen) his face is perfectly expressing a "near-out-of-body" experience!!! He almost seems to be mouthing "oh....stop." Oh, gee, I wonder what she is doing???? Maybe this belongs on the "promiscuity" board. Oh honey, regardless of what any one says, this is the promiscuity board! LOL! Yes, his face is looking mighty convincing in that scene. However, the little shot when they land on the floor and you see his little blue underwear, ruins the mood for me. ;-( (I had to get that in somewhere Renate!) PANTS (Alicia) In P&P, I thought he looked best at Pemberley when he's in the outfit he changed into right after the pond scene and runs down to meet Elizabeth. Agreed! But I really think that those boots (yes Margaret, THOSE boots) make that whole outfit. Gives him legs like a comic book hero! LOL! RENATE'S GAME (Karen) Definitely, a boyish look and both are pretty lean in the leg department. Are they interchangeable though? Oh no, I don't think so. Not really, KC was ok as Robin Hood (wouldn't wear tights though) and IMHO he can't do period English roles; I mean, could you see him as Darcy. Never. In fact I don't think he was a very good Robin Hood either. Not a very convincing accent a'tall.... However, there is an undercurrent of sensuality beneath those boyishly good looks. Oooh good line Karen. That about sums it up. OLIVIER (Karen) I will never be disgusted by LO's portrayal of Darcy--despite the script!! Signed a "loyal lord larryite." :-D It's not his portrayal that upsets me, it's the mutilated script. I have nothing but good things to say about the excellent LO's performance--it's not his fault that Darcy was a little too cheerful in the script. FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT (nan) whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. (Karen)Oh, my!!!! And I thought I was the only one who noticed that switcheroo, but was too ladylike to bring it up. Pffft!! ;-p Since it's up, I mean the topic can't be kept under wraps anymore, I didn't think men did this? It is one side or the other? Not always if I understand correctly ;-) From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. I would vote for the left too, but I think there are those at RoP who decided on the right. I'd have to watch the whole thing over and take notes if I were to be completely accurate (oh damn!) ;-D (Renate) Oh, do you, indeed? I second that statement. And Joe Prince apparently did, too. :-)) What I like about that scene and the oft-mentioned dance in the market is the way he's always playing with her hair. *BIG SIGH* ;-) RENATE'S GAME (Karen)KC was ok as Robin Hood (wouldn't wear tights though) and IMHO he can't do period English roles (Renate) He was just ok, (Loved Rickman!) Agreed. KC (love him though I might) was just okay and Rickman was great! (Renate) Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. Me either. I wonder why that is? I really liked your Athos idea--that I have no problem seeing Colin do very well. But Robin Hood...nope. OLIVIER (Karen) (I still think his is the best--I can't countenance RF's mean mad Heathcliff) (Renate) His hair, Louisa, his hair! Sorry Rafe. LOL!! :-D Unfortunately, this is very true. FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (nan) whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. (Karen)Since it's up, I mean the topic can't be kept under wraps anymore, I didn't think men did this? It is one side or the other? ........ From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. (Renate) For they did not wear underpants in those times, but long shirts which tails they wore between the legs ... and probably used to show off (But never Mr Darcy!). Stuffing? Darcy? ;-D BTW, a statistic: only 20% of men prefer the left side, and 80% right, or was it the other way round? I believe you've left out the middle men dear ;-p THE CUP AND SAUCER (Renate) Do you mean the growing facial hair with "five o'clock shadow"? Another hint that he is rather dark. Has anyone ever checked if - oh, I not ask here - check myself. Means Playmaker and HOTP, again. Alas. :-)) You'd have better luck checking "The Advocate" I think. Bathing scene, sittign down with a towel loosely draped over his thigh. I think you'll find what you're looking for there--I did ;-D

Karen R: From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. Could you be more explicit as to which scenes you've seen him dressed to the left? I've only noticed "the right", and I must know. - I am excessively attentive to all those things. Regarding the 20%-80% breakdown between men who dress to the left vs. the right, wouldn't it have to do with being right-handed vs. left-handed? I'd guess dressing to the left would be easier for a right-handed person. Nan, where is that thread on dressing to the right vs. left? I came across a mention of it in the last few days of RofP's P&P, but it was only alluded to and didn't catch their drift (like I do now!) I thought that the "vest-thingie" might be that little strap that hangs down from something under the vest on the men's front right. Is it a watch? And, not to be crude, but when Darcy is coming down the stairs of Netherfield just before giving Bingley his "approval" in B's marrying Jane, well, just what is in there, anyway? I mean, it's not like it's an appropriate moment or something.

BOOTS (Nan)Agreed! But I really think that those boots (yes Margaret, THOSE boots) make that whole outfit. Gives him legs like a comic book hero! LOL! Oh yes! The BOOTS!! How could I forget them? They really emphasize that he's got a fine pair of legs. PLEASE SIR, I WANT SOME MORE... (Chey) I keep hoping that I will see something I missed, or that there will be a whole lot of scenes that weren't there, like the wedding night for instance. I just want there to be MORE of their relationship. Can't we BEG Andrew Davis to write more, with our guidence or course! :) (Nan)Much as I love P&P2, I will never forgive Andrew Davies for leaving out the most juicy parts...not only between L&D, I would have really loved to see Mrs. Bennet lose her mind over L&D's engagement. These missing scenes were discussed at RoP recently. What I really wanted to see was Elizabeth struggling with her new-found appreciation of Darcy. In the book, after the Lydia fiasco is over, and Bingley and Darcy come back to Netherfield, both men are invited to Longbourn (I think) for dinner. Elizabeth is trying to make eye contact with him and even get a moment's conversation with him but the ladies and the men were split into separte parties. I would have loved to see that in the A&E miniseries. It c rtainly would shown that that the tables were turned by the end of the book. Plus, it would have meant more CF scenes! Can you just imagine all the sexual tension going on if Andrew Davies did include that scene? (sigh, oh well) Nothing's perfect. Good night everyone, Alicia

COLIN QUOTES - THE SEQUEL Lovely to see that more droolies are making it to the spring! I promised ages ago to carry on with selections of Colin quotes from his FP interview fest. If you've read them before, just tell me to stop being so BORING!!!! Okay, from the Radio Times, all very serious stuff! He's usually sounds very friendly and funny but I think the interviewer was asking the wrong questions! His level headed approach is probably genetic, with grandparents who were missionaries in India and parents who are both academics. "It never occurred to me to act until my teens when I was part of an amateur group. My parents were a little alarmed because it was uncharted territory. They assumed it was a pipe dream and an excuse to turn my back on academic responsibilities. They were absolutely right...I wasn't expecting success and it took me very much by surprise (ACCLAIM FOR STAGE PERFORMANCE IN AC).. (ON GOING TO BRITISH COLUMBIA WITH MT) "I didn't make a conscious decision to leave England..I felt I was cutting off but that was fine by me. There's a side which perpetually wants to withdraw from the arena for a while." He dislikes talking about his private life and says pointedly that he choose to talk to people who won't ask about it "I've had reporters outside my house and found it surprisingly uncomfortable". (THE INTERVIEWER THEN ASKS HIM ABOUT LIVIA} " She's studying English in Rome. By the way she's not 22 or 19 as as been written. The implication that I go round with a bimbo on my arm is not correct. That sort of publicity presents even more of a challenge in a job where it's already difficult to have a steady relationship." (RATHER TERSE AND DARCYISH!) (HE'S THEN ASKED ABOUT JENNIFER AND LOCATION ROMANCE - PERSISTENT INTERVIEWER!) "It wasn't just a location romance. It continued for a year. I don't wish to imply that my idea of a steady relationship is one which lasts just for a year - but these things only happen when I'm single and it's appropriate. I have never found myself leaving one relationship for another. Acting is not very nice when it affects your personal life or you're being slagged off." Enough for now..strict rations! THE CUP AND SAUCER (Nan) You'd better check The Advocate .. You'll find what you're looking for there..I did! Talk about close studies, or am I missing the point here? Continuing on a downward tangent, one scene which really repays close scrutiny is the second shower scene in Nan's favourite movie. Am I the only one who has noticed? Or it may be that I'm more keen eyed through frosted glass and know where to look (not so much left or right, more centre!).Or it may be that you ladies are just TOO well-bred to bring it up! OLIVIER I'm in no way detracting from his marvellous performances - but what a portfolio of THE best roles for an actor - Hamlet, Henry V, Darcy, Heathcliffe and Max de Winter. Would love to see CF in another really choice role (but not Heathcliffe!)

THE CUP AND SAUCER (Nan) You'd better check The Advocate .. You'll find what you're looking for there..I did! (Bethan) Talk about close studies, or am I missing the point here? No, I think you've got it ;-) Continuing on a downward tangent, one scene which really repays close scrutiny is the second shower scene in Nan's favourite movie. Am I the only one who has noticed? Hmmm...noticed what? Or it may be that I'm more keen eyed through frosted glass and know where to look (not so much left or right, more centre!).Or it may be that you ladies are just TOO well-bred to bring it up! I'd be most happy to bring it up if I noticed it (Somehow that sentence didn't come out quite they way I'd planned ;-p) I think you must be really gifted at seeing through the frosted glass, because much as I try, I never see anything that interests me very much. Oh, okay...I'll go home and look again...;-p OLD THREADS (Claudia) Nan, where is that thread on dressing to the right vs. left? I came across a mention of it in the last few days of RofP's P&P, but it was only alluded to and didn't catch their drift (like I do now!) I have seen the topic slyly mentioned at RoP now and again, but the old thread ? I don't know. I remember reading it months ago when I first found the Spring. In fact, I think it was on the old Colin topic which mysteriously vanished last August. If that's true then it is gone forever I'm afraid ;-( No matter, you get the gist. I think we've covered the issue as well as possible--and a lot less delicately I imagine ;-p So, on to other things... MOVIELINE MAGAZINE There is a lovely photo of Colin in the above-mentioned magazine (November 97 issue). He's dressed in all black and is decidedly cheerful. Lots of dark curls too. :-.) There is a nice little article as well in which Colin mentions ATA and some other things. Someday when I finally get the scanner working I will be able to slap the photos right here. But until that day comes I shall have to point you to your local magazine shop. Sorry ladies.

FUTURE PROJECTS I'm in the dark. Can someone tell me what CF will be in the near future? Is he working on anything now?

RENATE'S GAME (Renate) But back to Colin. Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. What part of him can you not see in that role? He can be dashing. He can wear tights or no tights (and it would have been his backside we saw at the bathing scene not a body double). We've seen him shoot an arrow (Valmont), ride horses, duel; everything and anything required physically for this role. Oh yet, he would have made a wonderful Robin Hood. Too bad there was another TV version at the same time with Patrick Bergin (I think). It seems highly doubtful that anyone would want to do another ver ion for quite a while. (Renate)KC is so quintessential American...And, speaking of "Undercurrents", he reminds me a bit of Robert Mitchum, another one of these quiet, low-key actors. The usual comparison is with Gary Cooper. Mitchum is way too much of a tough guy type. Coop was a good old American hero. He was extraordinarily good looking in his 30s. OLIVIER (Renate) Imagined [CF]in every LO role, in particular as Maxim de Winter, imagined him playing LO's life. Oh, I think you've got it!! CF playing LO. Now, who is going to adapt his autobiography?? I'd volunteer to play Vivien Leigh. FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Renate)...what we see is just the shirt not properly tucked in... . For they did not wear underpants in those times, but long shirts which tails they wore between the legs ... and probably used to show off LOL!!! Disguise.... I read that article too about the use of shirt tails, but I prefer to think it was all CF (check him out in the saddle before he jumps in the pond). BTW, I think your statistics are reversed. Based on my own statistical sampling :-)) (nan) I believe you've left out the middle men dear ;-p Do you mean those guys who are just hanging around? ;-p CAREER AND FAME (Renate) [re: taking off his clothes] ATA, too? Just see the top half after his assignation with Jessica Lange at the dump. (Renate) ...Jeremy Irons...Wasn't he in 'Die Hard with a Vengance', too? Sorry, I realized that I had the wrong series of action flicks when I got home. Of course, it was Die Hard with a Vengance, where JI played Alan Rickman's brother. If Bruce Willis likes classic British actors to play bad guys, may be there's hope for CF in the next Die Hard!!! MAKE UP (Renate) I think he has natural curls, at least wavy His hair looked pretty straight and strawberry blondish to me in "Another Country" and "A Month in the Country." (Renate) and there is reason to believe that he considers himself to be dark-haired. He should know. Considers or is???? (Renate) ...facial hair with "five o'clock shadow"? Another hint that he is rather dark. Has anyone ever checked if - oh, I not ask here - check myself. Means Playmaker and HOTP, again. Alas. :-)) Based on chest hair and armpits (sorry to be so crude), I'm voting on light, kind of in the strawberry blond category . But then again, maybe I should adjust the color setting of my TV!!! CUP AND SAUCER (nan) You'd have better luck checking "The Advocate" I think. Bathing scene, sitting down with a towel loosely draped over his thigh. I think you'll find what you're looking for there--I did ;-D Question: Are there European versions of these movies, where more is revealed? Or am I just blind???? And what movie has a shower scene?? A QUESTION OF POSITION (nan) However, the little shot when they land on the floor and you see his little blue underwear, ruins the mood for me. ;-( (I had to get that in somewhere Renate!) Oh no!!! I didn't see that. Of course, I know that actors are usually clothed when they do those types of scenes, but deep down inside I want to believe otherwise!! COLIN QUOTES - THE SEQUEL (lizbeth) THE INTERVIEWER THEN ASKS HIM ABOUT LIVIA}...The implication that I go round with a bimbo on my arm is not correct. LOL!!! It would appear he uses his movie sets as a dating service. I mean, where did he meet the bimbo--uh, I mean, his wife. Why, on the set of Nostromo where she was employed as a gopher. Gee, why on earth would he use the term "bimbo"? If it walks like a duck....

Wot?!

The last one was a test. Thought the Count dropped in again. A QUESTION OF POSITION (Karen) his face is perfectly expressing a "near-out-of-body" experience!!! He almost seems to be mouthing "oh....stop." Oh, gee, I wonder what she is doing???? Maybe this belongs on the "promiscuity" board. (Nan) Oh honey, regardless of what any one says, this is the promiscuity board! AHHH! That's why! (Nan) .... and you see his little blue underwear, ruins the mood for me. ;-( (I had to get that in somewhere Renate!) Ja, ja, I know.... just wait until FP, and you will be a sucker for his underpants! :-)) FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / A COMPILATION AND A THESIS (Claudia) Regarding the 20%-80% breakdown between men who dress to the left vs. the right, wouldn't it have to do with being right-handed vs. left-handed? I'd guess dressing to the left would be easier for a right-handed person. (Claudia) Could you be more explicit as to which scenes you've seen him dressed to the left? I've only noticed "the right", and I must know. - I am excessively attentive to all those things. LOL! I'm not sure, but try the beginning of the second proposal scene. I'm usually completely hypnotised, and only recover to focus on the faces and dialogues and when they approach so far that the camera only shows the upper bodies. (Karen) From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. (Nan) I would vote for the left too, but I think there are those at RoP who decided on the right. I'd have to watch the whole thing over and take notes if I were to be completely accurate (oh damn!) ;-D (nan) whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. (Karen)Oh, my!!!! And I thought I was the only one who noticed that switcheroo, but was too ladylike to bring it up. (Nan) Pffft!! ;-p Love it! (Karen) Since it's up, I mean the topic can't be kept under wraps anymore, I didn't think men did this? It is one side or the other? (Nan) Not always if I understand correctly ;-) Since there is apparently such a great need for an explanation I have been doing a bit of thinking on this topic, and I have a new theory: what if it is not a matter of left/right, but a relative size (sic!), such as the compass directions, or the sun-dial kind, or more maritime: lee-side resp. weather-side (my fav)? That would explain the change of sides best. But, if this theory does not hold, it can't be helped: We will have to call in expert's advice. Should we post this question to the gentlemen at R P? :-)=) RENATE'S GAME (Renate) Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. (Nan) Me either. I wonder why that is? I really liked your Athos idea--that I have no problem seeing Colin do very well. But Robin Hood...nope. Apparently we see something more aristocratic in him. And he has not yet made any action movie, I suppose that is why we can't see him in this kind of role. But just think. Buckskin breeches (no tights!!!), leather outfit, wild hair, racing around on a horse, meet Little John and take a bath in the river, writing letters to Maid Marian.... DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Nan) You'd have better luck checking "The Advocate" I think. ...........you'll find what you're looking for there--I did ;-D Can't you be more specific - I don't remember, and don't owe the Advocate (here: Hour of the Pig) - but seems to be time to rent it again. BTW, the staff at my Video store invariably keeps on pointing out that I have had this or that film before - they just don't get it that there are people who watch the same films over and over! THINGIES (Claudia) I thought that the "vest-thingie" might be that little strap that hangs down from something under the vest on the men's front right. Is it a watch? That thingie you mention must be The Infamous Watch and Fob, Arami's Keepsake. And, yes, it has a story of it's own, AND an essay..... Just want to seize the opportunity to remind that there's still the Keepsake Essay Contest pending.... I am still thinking on "What the Mirror saw" :-)) (Claudia) And, not to be crude, but when Darcy is coming down the stairs of Netherfield just before giving Bingley his "approval" in B's marrying Jane, well, just what is in there, anyway? I mean, it's not like it's an appropriate moment or something. Do you mean the "Then go to it!" scene? :-)) COLIN QUOTES - THE SEQUEL Enough for now..strict rations! Ooooh. 8-/ Moooooore pleeeeease! MOVIELINE MAGAZINE (Nan) Someday when I finally get the scanner working I will be able to slap the photos right here. Does this mean you *have* already a scanner? Wow! FUTURE PROJECTS (Alicia) I'm in the dark. Can someone tell me what CF will be in the near future? Himself, I hope, and happy. ;-)) Is he working on anything now? Presently he is working in Southern France on "The Secret Laughter of Women" opposite Nia Long. And his latest production is still not yet out: 'World of Moss' aka 'My Life so Far'. You can find an entry on IMDb. Presently scheduled for the US for Autumn 98!!! RENATE'S GAME (Renate) But back to Colin. Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. What part of him can you not see in that role? The one he does not show.... :-)) (Karen) The usual comparison is with Gary Cooper. Mitchum is way too much of a tough guy type. Coop was a good old American hero. He was extraordinarily good looking in his 30s. All the time I say he should make a Western! Directed by Clint Eastwood. MAKE UP (Renate) I think he has natural curls, at least wavy (Karen) His hair looked pretty straight and strawberry blondish to me in "Another Country" and "A Month in the Country." Since then he has played a lot of wavy, curly, dark haired characters. (Renate) and there is reason to believe that he considers himself to be dark-haired. He should know. Considers or is???? The quote is not soo clear. Try to get the Movieline issue Nan wrote about. (Karen) ....., I'm voting on light, kind of in the strawberry blond category . But then again, maybe I should adjust the color setting of my TV!!! Probably I should take out some contrast? His skin does not seem to be the strawberry blond type with reddish freckles. And in Hostages which I checked yesterday, his chest hair was dark. But the prison was, too. So much depends on the light. You never know. Film making is make believe. CUP AND SAUCER - SAUCIER (Karen) Question: Are there European versions of these movies, where more is revealed? Or am I just blind???? There aretwo different versions, The Advocate for the Americans, and The Hour of the Pig for the adult rest of the world ;-)) But Nan refers to, I believe, the censored version. But HOTP does not reveal anything sensational. Unfortunately. And what movie has a shower scene?? Playmaker has two.

FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / A COMPILATION AND A THESIS (Claudia) Regarding the 20%-80% breakdown between men who dress to the left vs. the right, wouldn't it have to do with being right-handed vs. left-handed? I'd guess dressing to the left would be easier for a right-handed person. That was my thought too. It must have something to do with being right or left handed. From various scenes in the movies, CF is right-handed (quite unusual because there are a disproportionate number of actors who are left-handed, i.e., more creative). Therefore, he would dress to his left. (Claudia) Could you be more explicit as to which scenes you've seen him dressed to the left? I've only noticed "the right", and I must know. - I am excessively attentive to all those things. Yes, when it's on the right, it does seem more noticeable. Other than in the saddle before he jumps in the pond, I can't cite chapter and verse, but it is evident that he is dressing to his left in most all the scenes prior to walking the streets of London in search of Wickham. (How appropriate to bring him in during this lewd and crude discussion.) RENATE'S GAME (Renate) Would he have made a better Robin Hood?...I cannot see him in that role....Apparently we see something more aristocratic in him. And he has not yet made any action movie. I don't think he sees himself as aristocratic in anyway. Didn't he make the remark in Vogue that he wasn't one of those "Brideshead" Brits?? When you see him, Renate, as Jess Clark--farmboy, then you may change your view. But just think. Buckskin breeches (no tights!!!), leather outfit, wild hair, racing around on a horse, meet Little John and take a bath in the river, writing letters to Maid Marian.... Yes, I can see it and I want it (to paraphrase Meggie Cleary). (Renate) All the time I say he should make a Western! Directed by Clint Eastwood. Urghhhhhh. Then he wouldn't have an accent. It is so rare to find an English cowboy. Besides, I've never particularly liked Clint. I could never get over his treatment of women in his early films and in his personal life. RICKMAN ALERT I realize this is not the right drool topic, but several of you have expressed some "appreciation" for him, so I just thought I'd mention that tonight they are screening a film he directed called "The Winter Guest." Many times the directors will show up, answer questions, etc. I waited too long to get my tickets to the film festival and this one, which is only being screened once, sold out quickly. I did buy a ticket for another being shown at the same time. So I will either keep my eyes open for him r try to get in to the other theater.

(Renate) All the time I say he should make a Western! Directed by Clint Eastwood. (KarenR) Urghhhhhh. Then he wouldn't have an accent. It is so rare to find an English cowboy. Not exactly the right drool topic for this, either, but how about Errol Flynn? He made Westerns, and they only took time to explain away the accent in the first. Of course, back in those days they had Humphrey Bogart playing an Indian, too. Maybe I should start a topic on Dead Guys Drool. Old movie stars like Flynn, Jimmy Stewart and Jimmy Cagney make my heart go pitter-pat. Always have. Not that Mr. Firth doesn't make many parts of me do many different things.

MAKE UP (Renate) I think he has natural curls, at least wavy ...and there is reason to believe that he considers himself to be dark-haired. He should know. ...facial hair with "five o'clock shadow"? Another hint that he is rather dark. The quote [considers himself to be dark-haired] is not soo clear. Try to get the Movieline issue Nan wrote about. Well, I did. I can't believe that I actually purchased a magazine like thatd!! I haven't done anything like that since I was probably 14 or 15!! My, oh my, did you say wavy??? It's practically Shirley Temple-like!! Guess it was just the modern-day miracle of blowdrying it straight. As for the color, it does look dark...kind of auburnish. What is it with this guy?? What color hair do his siblings have? I shall conquer this! Did you notice the wedding ring? I did. Did you also notice how big his feet look in those Hush Puppies??? If you catch my lacivious drift.... DEAD GUY DROOL (Lorie) Maybe I should start a topic on Dead Guys Drool. Old movie stars like Flynn, Jimmy Stewart and Jimmy Cagney make my heart go pitter-pat. Always have. I think there already are some dead guy droolers around here. I noticed a topic for James Dean (a long-time fav of mine) and Monty Clift among others. They don't look too "active." ;-) SMOLDERING VS. PETULANCE CF said in the Movieline article that smoldering charm is a "byproduct of having dark hair....If you scowl a lot and you've got blonde hair, usually you're petulant." Gee, and I thought one's eyes smoldered. I'm racking my brain (should take about another minute or so) to come up with a blonde who smolders. The only ones I can think of are all women, usually from 1930s-1940s movies.

Thanks for the input on additional scenes showing dressing to the left or right. Some are more subtle than others. I'm still a bit confused as to what the story is in the "Then go to it" scene. Maybe the long shirt-tails are bunched up or something. Since I'm a newbie on this and have only seen CF in P&P2, what other movie of his would you recommend next? What's your absolute favorite besides P&P2? I want to go through these slowly and carefully. Oh, and how do you find out how to make copied text italicized here? I can copy, but how about those other niceties to make my responses more cogent? I came across intructions once but can't find them now. :(

TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? I prefer it when CF does not smile, but I like it when he looks amused and cracks a tiny little smile. When he's grinning from ear to ear at the end of P&P2, I just have to cringe. It doesn't suit him. (Claudia)Oh, and how do you find out how to make copied text italicized here? Visit the new user's help topic. It's number 61. I got help from there. Alicia

HIS HAIR MY DEAR, HIS HAIR Definitely curly - dark brown with auburn tints which are highlighted in the sun (Master of the Moor, Nostromo). There's a rather blurred photo of Colin aged about five years at the end of an article at: http://members.aol.com/DJohn10589/Kate_Colin.html Curly, yes! FUTURE PROJECTS Alicia, you probably already know these sites but Ellen's FirthFAQ at: http://www.teleport.com/~kenellen/firthfaq.htm is an excellent way of keeping up to date with Colin's work (past and present). Updated every month. And there's the Friend of Firth's site at: http://www.grin.net/~meluchie/firthlist/index.html FAVOURITE AFTER P&P I haven't seen everything Claudia, but my favourite ( for sheer acting power) is A Month in the Country. CUP AND SAUCER Have I noticed what? Incroyable, Nan! You're not looking properly!! Now I'm short-sighted and I can see... Focus on the centre of the screen about half way through the shower scene..Slow-mo may help!!! Just a flashing glimpse but, shall we say, interesting!:-) MOVIELINE PHOTO (Karen) Wedding ring?!! Now he's got something to fiddle with!:-) This must be the first photo since the wedding... tell me now, does he look as though married life agrees with him?!! If you catch my lascivious drift Mmmm!! :-) WOM (Renate) Opening SEPTEMBER 1998!!!! E-e-ekk!!! Really BAD NEWS. Why so long...does anyone know? NEARLY A WHOLE YEAR!! Need some good news to compensate for this!!

ENGLISHMEN IN WESTERN? (KarenR) Urghhhhhh. Then he wouldn't have an accent. It is so rare to find an English cowboy. If you can imagine a Western with more characters than just cowboys and John Wayne ;-)) there is a way to make English accent believable: don't forget that the most Western are supposed to take place in the last century, when many future Americans just arrived from Europe, and with them their accents, why not from England? Imagine a younger son from the English gentry like Col Fitzwilliam, (or even Heathcliff! - "The Lost Years" :-)) ), who would be a good horseman and a hunter, would leave his country be ause of a duel, or whatever, to become a gambler but converts to simple life when his good old friend is killed in a saloon, only to become a stable hand on a farm where a young widow with a young son+wild horse lives, who tries to defend her thousand acres and honour against the evil cow baron and his dirty dozen, and she nurses him when the Sioux take his eyebrows for a scalp, and they make love in an upright position aka 'Sitting Bull' (Scusi! couldn't resist :-)) ) followed by a showdown in buckskin t ousers with bow-legged walk, two-horse carriage ride of happy family into sunset while the end titles roll. Sniff. 7 Oscars, one for Best Actor and one for Best Original Script. (I am already rehearsing my Oscar speech) ;-))

HTML BASICS (Claudia) Oh, and how do you find out how to make copied text italicized here? I can copy, but how about those other niceties to make my responses more cogent? I came across intructions once but can't find them now. :( Look for 'Ann's Toot' at the Pemberley Board, it works the same way here. :-)) It's the HTML basics, how to italicize, write bold, and colourful.

Ilove the western plot! Get me in the Academy and I'll vote for your Oscar. Can we get CF and some other fav Brits to be in it? Perhaps an entirely British settlement? Or set the whole thing in Australia?

And so at last I'm back. Barely finished reading EVERYTHING that has been posted since last time I looked: listed over 30 items I wanted to comment on, like: no, I didn't find his shoe size in any of his films; yes, I also had a crush on Richard Chamberlain (among many others!)but nowadays I seem to be the only one Colin fan who doesn't care much about other actors - don't get me wrong, I like a lot of them, but I can love only one at a time; yes, ATA script and editing were well and truly messed up; no, I don't think Clifton in TEP was impotent; I'll try to find out what he's mumbling in Tumbledown (just tell me where exactly to look for the scene); his car, a Nissan Maxima automatic is a "C" registration which makes it about 12 (not 15) years old (but he probably doesn't use it an awful lot); have the old manure buckets resurfaced as "foreign tubs"(???); I quite like his matchstick arms and legs; I also believe that Darcy's breeches in certain s enes are padded with shirttails (plus, Crispin Bonham-Carter has once hinted in an interview that the two leading gents of P&P had some sort of "male fullness" contest going on... also conducted some highly scientific enquiry on behalf of my researcher colleagues here - but my left-handed right-dressing hubby denies any conscious association of the facts...); will have to check that second shower scene in Playmaker again (interesting? How? Is there something unusual...? Hm...); and... no, I can't possib y, it'll go on forever... so I'll just fall in! Hi, everybody! Particularly warm welcome to all newcomers. (Nan, you should have warned them that my middle name is Trouble...;-)) (P.S. Renate, can I direct that western with your absolutely LOL-ly script? Please? That'll be another Oscar...)

And another question: what the Firth is Topic 59? It seems to be simultaneously active. Do we BEHAVE over there and are NAUGHTY here, or what?

FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (nan) I believe you've left out the middle men dear ;-p (Karen) Do you mean those guys who are just hanging around? ;-p Yes, for lack of a better explanation ;-) THE ADVOCATE (Karen) Question: Are there European versions of these movies, where more is revealed? Or am I just blind???? And what movie has a shower scene?? The European version of "The Advocate" is called "Hour of the Pig" and, as I understand, has additional sexy scenes which we prudish Americans cannot view for fear of turning into stone ;-p There is a shower scene (2 actually) in the dreadful "Playmaker". A QUESTION OF POSITION (nan) However, the little shot when they land on the floor and you see his little blue underwear, ruins the mood for me. ;-( (I had to get that in somewhere Renate!) (Karen) Oh no!!! I didn't see that. Of course, I know that actors are usually clothed when they do those types of scenes, but deep down inside I want to believe otherwise!! Me too...it burst my bubble :-( COLIN QUOTES (lizbeth) THE INTERVIEWER THEN ASKS HIM ABOUT LIVIA}...The implication that I go round with a bimbo on my arm is not correct. (Karen) It would appear he uses his movie sets as a dating service. I read one of his quotes somewhere (don't remember, sorry) in which he answered a question about your above statement. He said, (and I'm paraphrasing here so be kind ;-p) "You fall in love with people you meet, simple as that...I don't think actors have a greater predilection for bonking eachother than anyone else". Someone here knows the correct wording I'm sure, but you get my gist. (Karen) I mean, where did he meet the bimbo--uh, I mean, his wife. Why, on the set of Nostromo where she was employed as a gopher. Gee, why on earth would he use the term "bimbo"? If it walks like a duck... Now, now Karen...tsk, tsk, tsk. None of us are too happy that he's taken, but anyone who could catch him is my kinda gal. Not that she'd care, but Livia gets my vote...if for no other reason than out of respect for him. THE THEORY (Renate) I have a new theory: what if it is not a matter of left/right, but a relative size (sic!), such as the compass directions, or the sun-dial kind, or more maritime: lee-side resp. weather-side (my fav)? LOL!! That explanation is the best I've heard...and the most pleasing ;-D That would explain the change of sides best. But, if this theory does not hold, it can't be helped: We will have to call in expert's advice. Should we post this question to the gentlemen at RoP? :-)=) I think that would be more than I needed to know about our gentleman Pemberleans...;-p DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Nan) You'd have better luck checking "The Advocate" I think. ...........you'll find what you're looking for there--I did ;-D (Renate) Can't you be more specific - I don't remember, and don't owe the Advocate (here: Hour of the Pig) - but seems to be time to rent it again. Since there are even more nude scenes in HOTP than in Advocate I think it should be even easier to spot. The scene I'm talking about is after the bare butt walking into the water scene, they are sitting down talking. Colin has a towel loosely placed over his thigh (the right I think). Maybe it's an editing thing, but in my version (and on my screen) you have proof of your "dark" theory. ;-D THINGIES (Claudia) I thought that the "vest-thingie" might be that little strap that hangs down from something under the vest on the men's front right. Is it a watch? (Renate) That thingie you mention must be The Infamous Watch and Fob, Arami's Keepsake. And, yes, it has a story of it's own, AND an essay..... Just want to seize the opportunity to remind that there's still the Keepsake Essay Contest pending.... I am still thinking on "What the Mirror saw" :-)) Go to it sister! I think maybe we should post something about that contest again...it's been a while. Alas, I am no author myself...I shall have to rely on the wit of others ;-) Speaking of Keepsakes...have you read Carolyn's hysterical "Elizabeth's Tour of Pemberley" at RoP fanfic? It's a hoot. She's managed to incorporate many RoPers and their keepsakes into the story. It's fun to figure out who everyone is and spot all the keepsake references. And yes, the infamous humpy hat has made an appearance ;-) (Claudia) And, not to be crude, but when Darcy is coming down the stairs of Netherfield just before giving Bingley his "approval" in B's marrying Jane, well, just what is in there, anyway? I mean, it's not like it's an appropriate moment or something. LOL!! Claudia, I've noticed it (many times) and was quite fascinated. I hope that, in this instance, Renate is wrong--that it is not his shirt...:-p MOVIELINE MAGAZINE (Nan) Someday when I finally get the scanner working I will be able to slap the photos right here. (Renate) Does this mean you *have* already a scanner? Wow! Yes I have one at the office--supposed to be a really good one too. Since it didn't have a home, I was offered the opportunity to have it hooked up to my computer (which I jumped on right away). However, there appears to be a problem with getting it to properly work in conjunction with the rest of the stuff on my computer. When they figure it out, I'm going to be one happy camper dearest! ;-) MOVIELINE (Renate) The quote [considers himself to be dark-haired] is not soo clear. Try to get the Movieline issue Nan wrote about. (Karen) Well, I did. I can't believe that I actually purchased a magazine like thatd!! I haven't done anything like that since I was probably 14 or 15!! Well, it's not exactly Teen Beat (used to love that one in my Shaun Cassidy era ;-p)...I didn't even read the rest, just the Colin part ;-) My, oh my, did you say wavy??? It's practically Shirley Temple-like!! Guess it was just the modern-day miracle of blowdrying it straight. As for the color, it does look dark...kind of auburnish. What is it with this guy?? What color hair do his siblings have? I shall conquer this! I don't know about his sister, but his brother's hair appears to be that kind of "sandy" color, at least in the pictures I've seen. Did you notice the wedding ring? I did. I did indeed. He looks enormously happy in that photo, don't you think? Did you also notice how big his feet look in those Hush Puppies??? If you catch my lacivious drift.... LOL!! DEAD GUY DROOL (Lorie) Maybe I should start a topic on Dead Guys Drool. Old movie stars like Flynn, Jimmy Stewart and Jimmy Cagney make my heart go pitter-pat. Always have. (Karen) I think there already are some dead guy droolers around here. I noticed a topic for James Dean (a long-time fav of mine) and Monty Clift among others. They don't look too "active." ;-) Many of the guys have topics--unfortunately most of them have not been used in many months. Feel free to start a droolfest on any of those. SMOLDERING VS. PETULANCE (Karen) CF said in the Movieline article that smoldering charm is a "byproduct of having dark hair....If you scowl a lot and you've got blonde hair, usually you're petulant." Gee, and I thought one's eyes smoldered. I'm racking my brain (should take about another minute or so) to come up with a blonde who smolders. The only ones I can think of are all women, usually from 1930s-1940s movies. I guess Colin gets 2 points for that comment because I can't think of one either--not a male anyay.

MOVIE RECOMMENDATIONS (Claudia) Since I'm a newbie on this and have only seen CF in P&P2, what other movie of his would you recommend next? What's your absolute favorite besides P&P2? I want to go through these slowly and carefully. Hmmm...not an easy question Claudia dear--depends what you're looking for I think. ;-) For his acting ability I would go with "A Month in the Country" or "Tumbledown" . Unfortunately, the latter is virtually impossible to find in the US if that's where you are ;-( For sexy scenes: "Femme Fatale" (movie isn't great but he is most pleasant) or "The Advocate"--not one of my favorites either--so much dirt everywhere! ;-p But I think the best one to start with is "Valmont"--that is where he s the most charming and the movie itself isn't bad. Which reminds me... Isn't it about time to tackle another movie for the COLIN FILM DISCUSSION? Anyone have a preference? Since there's a larger group now, I'd like to do one that we could all get our hands on (that leaves out Tumbledown or 1919 or Camille) And speaking of Camille...anyone see it? I haven't been able to find it (which doesn't really surprise me). I've not heard good things about it--too bad too because I love the story, though I prefer the Verdi version ;-) ANOTHER COUNTRY TANGENT I originally saw AC when I rented it last Spring. I just bought a copy and I noticed something strange...they cut out the part at the end which tells you what happened to the main characters, etc. Anyone know why? TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? (Alicia) I prefer it when CF does not smile, but I like it when he looks amused and cracks a tiny little smile. When he's grinning from ear to ear at the end of P&P2, I just have to cringe. It doesn't suit him. He looks like a different person when he smiles I agree. This is not always the case with everyone...frequently a smile is just a smile. I too, prefer the brooding Colin but I also like to see the wide smile in moderation. That Movieline picture (where he is absolutely ear to ear smiling) is really very charming. CUP AND SAUCER (Nan) Have I noticed what? (Bethan) Incroyable, Nan! You're not looking properly!! Now I'm short-sighted and I can see... Focus on the centre of the screen about half way through the shower scene..Slow-mo may help!!! Just a flashing glimpse but, shall we say, interesting!:-) Okay, if you say so I'll go and sift through that painfully bad movie--but if I don't see IT, you're in big trouble missy! ;-p ENGLISH WESTERNS (Lorie) I love the western plot! Get me in the Academy and I'll vote for your Oscar. Me too Renate. Too funny! :-) Inspired too...I never would have thought of the early settlers. But alas, I do not think the Americans would accept the fact that we didn't just sprout from the ground here ;-p To the general population Western means Wayne or Eastwood--at least in the major roles. Hmm... SHE HAS RETURNED Welcome back--nice trip? ;-) yes, I also had a crush on Richard Chamberlain oooh, but I like him so much! I saw an interview with him last week--what an eloquent, handsome, altogether charming man he is... yes, ATA script and editing were well and truly messed up Thank you...I thought I was overreacting. I'll try to find out what he's mumbling in Tumbledown (just tell me where exactly to look for the scene) The one I was asking about was the "the boys think I'm dead scene"--which Renate and Bethan cleared up. But there were several others...I'll let you know. I also believe that Darcy's breeches in certain scenes are padded with shirttails Shhh! I'M HAVING A FANTASY;-p but my left-handed right-dressing hubby denies any conscious association of the facts...) LOL!! Poor man...definitely thinks we're nuts now. ;-) Particularly warm welcome to all newcomers. (Nan, you should have warned them that my middle name is Trouble...;-)) I thought I'd leave that to you dear...;-p And another question: what the Firth is Topic 59? It seems to be simultaneously active. Do we BEHAVE over there and are NAUGHTY here, or what? LOL!! Certainly not. Corrupt us...please ;-) It was started one night when we thought Colin had vanished again. Our concern was premature so rather than delete it, I decided to just let it be and see what happens.

WELCOME BACK ARAMI! Again, welcome back! Now to more serious matters.. I also believe that Darcy's breeches in certain scenes are stuffed with his shirttails Oh, SPOILSPORT!! Ruining my fantasies! But, I think you're wrong (not that I have conclusive proof, unfortunately:-) ) If you look at his shirt as he strides through the daisies, it's long at the back but quite short at the front, just slightly below the waist, and it's made of thin gossamer-like material. Now, I'm not very good at the technicalities, but even if the front of the shirt was all scrunched up I don't think it would convey such an impression of..weightiness! And the back won't reach! I rest m very badly argued case. I think it's for real!! And talking of IT ...(Nan) If I don't see IT, you're in big trouble.. You will see IT, Keep looking!! ATA A full report Arami, please. What about Colin's actual performance within the limitations of the script, and could it stall his career a bit? It's just that I had such high hopes, and the timing (for him) was quite crucial as a Darcy follow-up in the US.

WESTERN (Lorie) Can we get CF and some other fav Brits to be in it? Which one, f.e.? I sense you are highly qualified for the casting director's job. Or set the whole thing in Australia? Ever seen 'Quigley Down Under', with Tom Selleck and Alan Rickman? I like it a lot. OH, NO! no, I don't think Clifton in TEP was impotent; Terrible thought. We know better :-)) Katherine just did not get it. She must have read P&P, and was probably waiting for smoldering Mr Darcy, and did not realise how near he was.... have the old manure buckets resurfaced as "foreign tubs"(???) \::&::&::&::&::/ Much more volume. Go to it! OH, YES! (P.S. Renate, can I direct that western with your absolutely LOL-ly script? Please? That'll be another Oscar...) Perfect. Now we have a star, a director, a casting agent, a writer, the production design should go to Nan..... anybody else? And another question: what the Firth is Topic 59? It seems to be simultaneously active. Do we BEHAVE over there and are NAUGHTY here, or what? That is why here are about 323 responses, and only about 7 over there.... :-)) DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Nan) The scene I'm talking about is after the bare butt walking into the water scene, they are sitting down talking. Colin has a towel loosely placed over his thigh (the right I think). Maybe it's an editing thing, but in my version (and on my screen) you have proof of your "dark" theory. ;-D Nan, what's your TV brand? It shows definitely more than mine on the bottom of the frames! Both in FF and in HOTP/Advocate. May have something to do with PAL/NTSC? (Karen) Did you also notice how big his feet look in those Hush Puppies??? If you catch my lacivious drift.... There's no such drift that escapes our notice. :-)=) But were not you one of those who complained about the thin-ness of his limbs and suggested that he might need some workout? I think I already offered my services before as a personal trainer for his daily workout. (BTW, what's the icon for a really really very big very dirty grin?) MOVIE RECOMMENDATIONS (Nan) For his acting ability I would go with "A Month in the Country" or "Tumbledown" . Unfortunately, the latter is virtually impossible to find in the US if that's where you are ;- Same goes for Master of the Moor, with Tumbledown my favourite, because it is a really good mystery, and the whole cast simply terrific, an impressive TV production. There is also Hostages, hard to watch because of the topic, but worth watching. (Nan) "The Advocate"--not one of my favorites either--so much dirt everywhere! ;-p Butt - I would recommend it nevertheless. :-)) But I think the best one to start with is "Valmont"--that is where he s the most charming and the movie itself isn't bad. Agreed. And go on with Advocate, because it's also a period piece and easy to watch. TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? (Alicia) I prefer it when CF does not smile, but I like it when he looks amused and cracks a tiny little smile. When he's grinning from ear to ear at the end of P&P2, I just have to cringe. It doesn't suit him. But, but, but...... you can't say that a man's smile does not suit the man! :-)) CF always emphasized in all his interviews that he is not at all Darcy. He is an incredibly versatile actor who lent only one of his many faces to Darcy. But I know what you mean. As Nan mentioned, he suddenly looks a completely other type of person with his "too toothy grin" (Michele), a blessing for an actor, I suppose. By now, after months of closest studies, I find his other faces (f.e. MOTM or FP) more fascinating than arcy's, but I suppose I am in minority here. http://www.pemberley.com/photos/firth/twofer.jpg (from Pemberly Photo Galerie)

...IF I WERE SISKEL OR EBERT (Claudia) Since I'm a newbie on this and have only seen CF in P&P2, what other movie of his would you recommend next? What's your absolute favorite besides P&P2? I want to go through these slowly and carefully. Given the difficulty of finding CF films, you may just want to start with whatever you can find. When P&P2 came out last year, I rented Valmont. I too would recommend it. He gives a very good performance and, as Annette Benning says, "Monsieur Valmont is quite the letter writer." :-)). Since finding this site and RoP, I have been on a binge in finding his other movies. I definitely liked his performance in "Hostages." and "The Advocate" or HOTP, as it is known in Europe. Femme Fatale has its moments but it is pretty cheesy insofar as films go. Obviously his first role in Another Country shows great merit/potential as well as A Month in the Country. Leave Circle of Friends, where he plays the nasty Simon Westward for later. I remember being quite excited by Nostromo being on TV, but I must admit that after the disappointment of his role in TEP...my interest began to wane. Just my humble opinions!!! TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? (Alicia) I prefer it when CF does not smile, but I like it when he looks amused and cracks a tiny little smile. When he's grinning from ear to ear at the end of P&P2, I just have to cringe. It doesn't suit him. Oh, but he has such a nice little smile and laugh. I know I will break the reverse on my VCR, every time I back up to watch many of those scenes where he breaks into a grin. I've done it quite a bit on the walk to the carriage schene and just to see that rare grin. (Rare, especially if you had only seen the A&E broadcast from Jan.'96 and not the 18 minutes that had been edited out. There were other smiles that never made it to my tape. Oh, woe is me.) (nan) That Movieline picture (where he is absolutely ear to ear smiling) is really very charming. Agreed. MOVIELINE PHOTO (lizbeth) first photo since the wedding... tell me now, does he look as though married life agrees with him?!! If you catch my lascivious drift Mmmm!! :-) Hard to tell...he has his hand in his lap!! ;-D ENGLISHMEN IN WESTERN? (Renate) don't forget that the most Westerns are supposed to take place in the last century, when many future Americans just arrived from Europe, and with them their accents, why not from England? I loved your outline for Colin Out West!! I can just hear the cattle mooing on the great plains. However, having a degree in history (with some background in early American immigration history), he would more likely have a Scandinavian, German or Slavic accent as an immigrant in the frontier. But that doesn't mean it couldn't happen!!! We historians have absolutely no imagination. I hope that doesn't mean I couldn't work on your film. I volunteer to be Wardrobe Mistress and all that entails...I'm not looking for glory, just some "hands-on" experience!! ;-) COLIN QUOTES (Karen) Gee, why on earth would he use the term "bimbo"? If it walks like a duck... (nan) Not that she'd care, but Livia gets my vote...if for no other reason than out of respect for him. I think my point is "why would he refer to her as a bimbo"? I read the funniest article, probably from something on Friends of Firth, that quoted his future mother-in-law. She was saying what an absolute gentleman he was and that he brought Livia home before 11:00 p.m. and he never stayed over at their home. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world. They were both on location in South America (unchaperoned) for the filming of Nostromo. Maybe there's more to this bimbo thing than meets the eye... SMOLDERING VS. PETULANCE (Karen) I'm racking my brain (should take about another minute or so) to come up with a blonde who smolders. The only ones I can think of are all women, usually from 1930s-1940s movies. (nan) I can't think of one either--not a male any way. The researcher in me is going to have to open up some boxes to unearth my movie books..."Immortals of the Silver Screen" comes to mind...as well as "A Pictoral History of the Talkies." One of these days I'm going to have to build some shelves!! COLIN FILM DISCUSSION (nan) Isn't it about time to tackle another movie for the COLIN FILM DISCUSSION? Anyone have a preference? Since there's a larger group now, I'd like to do one that we could all get our hands on (that leaves out Tumbledown or 1919 or Camille) I suggest you add "Wings of Fame" to your list of near impossibles. I've never seen it at a rental place and the going rate to buy is about $90.00. Dutch Girls is unavailable/discontinued. As to my preference, I don't know which ones you have already discussed. I assume it would be easiest to discuss one with widespread availability, like a Valmont. (Renate) Agreed (on Valmont). And go on with Advocate, because it's also a period piece and easy to watch. Besides the naturalistic scenes, he does some great things with his face in this one!! And speaking of Camille...anyone see it? I haven't been able to find it (which doesn't really surprise me). I haven't seen it yet, but it is available to purchase from a few places. Where did you find Tumbledown? I have ordered Apartment Zero, but it hasn't arrived yet. DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) Fullness contests??? Shirt tails???? I think we should let "stuffing" dogs lie!! (Karen) Did you also notice how big his feet look in those Hush Puppies??? If you catch my lacivious drift.... (Renate) But were not you one of those who complained about the thin-ness of his limbs and suggested that he might need some workout? I think I already offered my services before as a personal trainer for his daily workout. (BTW, what's the icon for a really really very big very dirty grin?) Yes, I must admit his thin arms and squishy-looking chest have not been my favorite of his "attributes." However, the chest did look better in "Hostages." I--for one--AM a fan of his long, thin legs. Hating, as I do stereotypes, I think this is one of those "American" things. We get so used to our actors working on their bodies that a "real" looking one doesn't look as good in comparison. In Hostages, Ciaran Hinds looks positively flabby. Having just watched 16,000 marathoners run past my house yest rday morning, I feel that I can definitely comment on what a long-distance runner looks like from up, close and personal experience. Yes, they are wirey, but there is muscle definition everywhere (even in their thin arms). MOVIE GAME I did finally come up with another movie that I think CF would have been good in. I'm having a lot of trouble here, because when I think of my favorite movies, the actors have taken over the roles and made them their own and, try as I might, I can't take them out or see anyone else in them. That's why most of the ideas I have had are for books that haven't been made into movies yet. However, I did come up with one!!! Don't laugh because I know you guys are, but couldn't you see CF as the Richard Gere haracter in "Pretty Woman"??? First, he could do it with an accent; there would be no need to be an American. There are many corporate raiders from overseas. He has already shown us his ability to play a "user" (Simon Westward in Circle of Friends), but in this one, he could shed that cold fish facade and turn into the charming knight in shining armor that we all know he has played so well....Besides, it's not too difficult to imagine an Englishman picking up a hooker on Hollywoood Boulevard ;-p

(KarenR)I loved your outline for Colin Out West!! I can just hear the cattle mooing on the great plains.....(edited roughly)... I volunteer to be Wardrobe Mistress and all that entails...I'm not looking for glory, just some "hands-on" experience!! Now why didn't I think of that? Of course, as casting director (thanks!), I suppose there's always that casting couch method of finding the other handsome British men (and I DO have a list of those I want to audition). Honestly, it's a good thing my husband doesn't browse on the Spring.

MISTRESS OF ALL I SURVEY Lori: I think I was prompted to volunteer for this menial job by the article that described the "pond scene" in P&P2. Supposedly, they wanted CF to do in the buff, he refused and then they started toying around with the idea of underwear. But men didn't wear underwear in those days. So, the idea of fitting CF for underwear sort of appeals to me. How better than to put some closure on the right-left argument, shirt tail stuffing, etc. I mean somebody has to do these menial things!!!

STUFFING (Bethan) If you look at his shirt as he strides through the daisies, it's long at the back but quite short at the front, just slightly below the waist, and it's made of thin gossamer-like material. Now, I'm not very good at the technicalities, but even if the front of the shirt was all scrunched up I don't think it would convey such an impression of..weightiness! Brava Bethan! I'm impressed by the amount of time and consideration you've given this very crucial question. Nothing like a good rationalization...;-) SUFFERING THROUGH PLAYMAKER (Nan) If I don't see IT, you're in big trouble.. (Bethan) You will see IT, Keep looking!! Damned glass bricks! They distort everything. I think I've found the part you mean (shower #1, 20:48 according to my counter ;-p) Just the briefest of instances, but at least it further validates Renate's "dark" theory. ;-.o The second shower scene is just a big ol' mess--can't see a blessed thing. OH, NO! (Arami) no, I don't think Clifton in TEP was impotent; (Renate) Terrible thought. We know better :-)) Katherine just did not get it. Or didn't get it well enough ;-p WESTERN (Arami) (P.S. Renate, can I direct that western with your absolutely LOL-ly script? Please? That'll be another Oscar...) (Renate) Perfect. Now we have a star, a director, a casting agent, a writer, the production design should go to Nan..... anybody else? Oh good--I got the fun part! (and the only one I'm even vaguely qualified for as well) :-) (Arami) And another question: what the Firth is Topic 59? Do we BEHAVE over there and are NAUGHTY here, or what? (Renate) That is why here are about 323 responses, and only about 7 over there.... :-)) I'm very jealous that I didn't think of that answer myself. Priceless dear, ;-) DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Nan)Maybe it's an editing thing, but in my version (and on my screen) you have proof of your "dark" theory. ;-D (Renate) Nan, what's your TV brand? LOL!! Mitsubishi, if that makes any difference. It shows definitely more than mine on the bottom of the frames! Both in FF and in HOTP/Advocate. May have something to do with PAL/NTSC? It could be either I guess. Bethan, Arami--do you guys know what I'm talking about or does it drop off your screens as well? That schtinks! Renate, you poor dear. :-( I promise you're not missing anything stupendous, just enough to prove your theory. ...IF I WERE SISKEL OR EBERT (Karen) I remember being quite excited by Nostromo being on TV, but I must admit that after the disappointment of his role in TEP...my interest began to wane. Did you wind up watching Nostromo? I felt like it went on forever and I wasn't sure which character (if any) deserved my sympathy. ENGLISHMEN IN WESTERN? (Renate) don't forget that the most Westerns are supposed to take place in the last century, when many future Americans just arrived from Europe, and with them their accents, why not from England? I hope that doesn't mean I couldn't work on your film. I volunteer to be Wardrobe Mistress and all that entails...I'm not looking for glory, just some "hands-on" experience!! ;-) Are you very good with inseams dear? ;-p COLIN QUOTES (Karen) Gee, why on earth would he use the term "bimbo"? If it walks like a duck... (nan) Not that she'd care, but Livia gets my vote...if for no other reason than out of respect for him. (Karen) I think my point is "why would he refer to her as a bimbo"? I think he was only quoting some rumor(s) he'd heard. There was some early speculation that she was much younger than Colin (some reports said as young as 22 I think). So he was saying that 1) she is not 22, but 27 and 2) she's not a dim little girl which he wears on his arm for show. I'm not quite sure why being 22 is synonymous with the word bimbo in the minds of some people, but whatever... (Karen) I read the funniest article that quoted his future mother-in-law. She was saying what an absolute gentleman he was and that he brought Livia home before 11:00 p.m. and he never stayed over at their home. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world. That's just an old-fashioned Italian thing. My grandmother was the same way. We behaved in front of her and did what we wanted when she wasn't looking. This was convenient, because she believed only what she saw with her own eyes. They were both on location in South America (unchaperoned) for the filming of Nostromo. And having a grand old time I imagine. ;-) COLIN FILM DISCUSSION (nan)I'd like to do one that we could all get our hands on (that leaves out Tumbledown or 1919 or Camille) (Karen) I suggest you add "Wings of Fame" to your list of near impossibles. I've never seen it at a rental place and the going rate to buy is about $90.00. I was able to rent WOF at Tower Video (do you have one there?) I like Tower because they tend to be more quirky in their selections than say Blockbuster, which is purely mainstream. Also if you can't find something at Tower to rent, you can request it and they'll order it and add it to their rentals. Dutch Girls is unavailable/discontinued. I think I got the last copy from Amazon (I think that's where I got it, I'm not sure). They had to do a seach for me and it took more than a month, but I did finally get it. As to my preference, I don't know which ones you have already discussed. I assume it would be easiest to discuss one with widespread availability, like a Valmont. Valmont works for me--anyone else have an opinion? (Nan) Camille... (Karen) I haven't seen it yet, but it is available to purchase from a few places. Then I shall have to order it, but again, I've only heard negative things about it...Arami, I'm sure you've seen it--any opinions? Where did you find Tumbledown? A friend was nice enough to hunt down a copy for me, but as far as I know there is no way to purchase one here. I have ordered Apartment Zero, but it hasn't arrived yet. I liked Apartment Zero--not at all droolworthy, but I liked it anyway. Nice and creepy. MOVIE GAME (Karen)That's why most of the ideas I have had are for books that haven't been made into movies yet. Oh you can use those too as long as you put in a lot of juicy descriptions ;-)... However, I did come up with one!!! Don't laugh because I know you guys are, but couldn't you see CF as the Richard Gere character in "Pretty Woman"??? This one one of my choices for the "Marilyn Movie Game" which was to choose a movie in which you thought the male lead was perfectly cast. I'm not a huge Gere fan, but I think that he was really perfect for that role. However, I could certainly imagine Colin doing something similar (and you're right, the accent doesn't matter in this instance). I don't think Julia Roberts would be the right leading lady for Colin though...have to come up with someone else (JB Renate? :-p) CASTING THE WESTERN (Lorie) Of course, as casting director (thanks!), I suppose there's always that casting couch method of finding the other handsome British men (and I DO have a list of those I want to audition). So...what men are we talking about? We must know dear, we cannot remain in the dark for long about anyone's drooling fantasies. ;-)

WESTERN (Lorie) Can we get CF and some other fav Brits to be in it? Mr. Rickman, Mr. Branagh, Mr. Everett (a gay cowboy, perhaps? ;-P)Mr. O'Toole, Mr. Hinds, Mr. Northam, and the list goes on and on. TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? (Renate)But, but, but...... you can't say that a man's smile does not suit the man! :-))By now, after months of closest studies, I find his other faces (f.e. MOTM or FP) more fascinating than Darcy's, but I suppose I am in minority here. I've just realized that I've seen him so much in P&P that I've forgotten about his other roles so I'm just used to the Darcy face. So I guess I should rent some videos and watch his other roles. Maybe I'll get used to a smile on his face. MOVIE GAME (Karen) Don't laugh because I know you guys are, but couldn't you see CF as the Richard Gere character in "Pretty Woman"??? Yes!! I absolutely love that movie. Puh-lease, will someone please be kind enough to make a British version of it with our Colin? Alicia

DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (nan) It could be either I guess. Bethan, Arami--do you guys know what I'm talking about or does it drop off your screens as well? Maybe the solution is a bigger TV. Magnification with slo-mo (frame-by-frame advancement) could be the answer. This could be quite an investment. ...IF I WERE SISKEL OR EBERT (Karen) I remember being quite excited by Nostromo being on TV, but I must admit that after the disappointment of his role in TEP...my interest began to wane. (nan) Did you wind up watching Nostromo? I felt like it went on forever and I wasn't sure which character (if any) deserved my sympathy. Oh, yes, I watched the whole thing. Nostromo is the more interesting character. I don't quite remember all that much of it though, except that CF didn't look like Darcy and I was bummed out with the facial hair. Don't particularly care for it on him. I am rather surprised that I didn't tape it for further review and reflection.....oh, more is coming back to me... Sympathy? I would say that I felt more sympathy for Nostromo--he was constantly being asked to perform the extraordinary for those interlop rs. His honor/reputation was everything. Couldn't say that about anyone else. Actually, this is sounding more interesting than it appeared previously. Maybe I'll rent the thing and watch it again! ENGLISHMEN IN WESTERNS? (Karen) I volunteer to be Wardrobe Mistress and all that entails...I'm not looking for glory, just some "hands-on" experience!! ;-) (nan) Are you very good with inseams dear? ;-p As with your assignment for production design, I have some familiarity with the job's requirements. In my youth, I did quite a bit of sewing. I would imagine it's like riding a bicycle, something you just don't forget!! Being a person of short stature, inseams are my speciality. Just let me get my tape measure out!! ;-p (Lorie) Can we get CF and some other fav Brits to be in it? (Alicia) Mr. Rickman, Mr. Branagh, Mr. Everett (a gay cowboy, perhaps? ;-P) Mr. O'Toole, Mr. Hinds, Mr. Northam, and the list goes on and on. Must add Timothy Dalton to this list. Those guys with indentations on their chins. I'll second the Rupert Everett thing. Wasn't he a riot? I just read something about a couple of his upcoming movies...that he will be openly gay in them as well. COLIN FILM DISCUSSION (nan) I was able to rent WOF at Tower Video (do you have one there?) Yes, we do have Tower but I've never gone there. I've got a Blockbuster and a Video Update (a fairly new chain here) within a couple of blocks of where I live. (Being in the city, I hate to drive anywhere--no parking!) Blockbuster is useless, but VU has been a gem. Not only do they stock a lot of "old" films, on Tuesdays, the "old" films are 2 for 99 cents and you get to keep them for like 3 days!!! I'll have to hop in my car and check out Tower (though, sometime during the week, when there might be treet parking, although I doubt it). (nan) I liked Apartment Zero--not at all droolworthy, but I liked it anyway. Nice and creepy. Not droolworthy??? Oh well, they can't all be gems. MOVIE GAME (nan) I don't think Julia Roberts would be the right leading lady for Colin though...have to come up with someone else (JB Renate? :-p) Julia would be fine; she wouldn't have to slouch all the time and wear flat shoes when she is in close up scenes with him. CF is tall enough for her. Perhaps, as a variation on these various movie games (Marilyn's and Renate's), I'd like to imagine what kind of movie Pretty Woman would have been (1) with CF in the Richard Gere role and (2)it was not made by a Disney company. First off, we'd get to see a lot more of our lead characters. That scene in bed would not have been shot through a room divider. And since positions have been brought up, how shall I describe what took place while Lucy was crushing grapes!!! or on that piano!!! What or who is JB?

My scanner works!!!! Are you jealous? ;-.D

CONGRATULATIONS, NAN!!! Wow! And no, I am NOT jealous, because I know you are generous and will share your treasures.....BEAUTIFUL!

FATHER FIGURE Surfing the net (officially part of my work programme, so it's VERY tempting to make CF digressions!) I found a nice resume of "Secret Laughter of Women". "A Nigerian single mother is caught between the customs of her people and the amorous interest of an English writer who has befriended her eight year old son." More or less the same age as Colin's own son - he must be attracted to this kind of role at the moment (ditto, in WOM he has a 10 year old son!) I've always thought that he acts very convincingly with children -AMITC and more recently FP - although I'm pleased he's still got amorous interests,:-) SLOW (great acronym!) has a March 98 delivery date. Also, (Y-E-SSSS! Renate) WOM has been bought by, amongst others, Spain and GERMANY! And FP received a very favourable review at the Vancouver Film Festival and so hopefully it will be shown in Canada, and be available on video in the US... soon! What a clever little surfer I am!! CUP AND SAUCER Nan, oh Nan!! You're looking at the wrong shower scene. Now this is my last word on the subject, so pay attention! Shower scene 2. Approximately 28-29 seconds into the scene, focus on the middle row of glass panels, third panel from the right. I cannot be more explicit without blushing :-)!! But once you've seen it, you see it every time! And I don't even scrutinise these kind of scenes very carefully :-) MASTER OF THE MOOR Have to agree, Renate - I love some of the full face close-ups of Colin - it's those marvellous eyes. He doesn't need words. NOSTROMO Karen, "Nostromo" deserves a second viewing, although it needed some tighter editing. And you do end up liking the beard (I did!).

(KarenR)... the idea of fitting CF for underwear sort of appeals to me. How better than to put some closure on the right-left argument, shirt tail stuffing, etc. I mean somebody has to do these menial things!!! How very big of you to stoop down, be ready to get your hands dirty, and do such a horrible task!:-) Nan, thanks so much for the great smiling CF! He's lovely. Oh, and to many above who added Brits to the Western cast, mustn't forget Mark Strong. Emma was rerun on A&E this weekend before Jane Eyre (AND CUT, DAMN THEM), so I got a MS fix and am determined that he, too, should be in the Western and in a brown hat!

Thanks for the rapturous welcome, dear Co-droolers, I'm truly moved. The trip was super, we're already thinking of going back - wish it could be now, for the weather here is getting cooler. ATA Can't really add much more to what has already been said generally. I wish I could see and compare the director's cut or at least read the original script, to see how the adaptation was first planned. You can't hope to transfer a book to the screen in its entirety; moreover, an adaptation often makes not only cuts but also changes, sometimes quite substantial. I understand that Jane Smiley wasn't exactly happy with what was happening in the process, and also a little disappointed not to be invited to co aborate on the script, but had to concede that, once the film rights were sold, the story didn't belong to her anymore. The bottom line is that the two primadonnas - JL & MP - were apparently exceedingly enthusiastic about exploring merely one aspect of the story, namely the relationship between the sisters, and sacrificed everything else in Smiley's mini-saga for that purpose. The result is that the whole background is blurred: there are some other people there (including Colin), but they don't really matter, and if the audience is discerning, it can't help wondering why (or if it isn't, it just doesn't care). It is all indeed a bit melodramatic and soapy, much too oversimplified. In the book there was an interesting little story behind Jess's character: in the film none of that is even mentioned. He's just a stud, that's all. But what a stud!!! Colin looked extremely edible, although I'm still puzzled why both sisters were immediately so eager to bed him - Catherine Clifton's syndrome, I guess... on y less interestingly presented. There was precious little there to showcase Colin's range and abilities, but I don't think it will damage him in any way. I suspect that, as far as Hollywood is concerned, he is quite content to jog along (like Jess!) as a reliable and capable supporting actor until maybe he gets something he really likes. It is frustrating for us that he seems in no hurry - in three years he'll be 40! but personally I'm a loyal fan and accept his choice. Remember, according to his own words, he isn't having a career - h 's simply doing a job honestly and as well as he can... BTW, one of the signs of his approaching middle age is his suddenly hairier chest: I'm sure it wasn't so hirsute in earlier displays... My hubby's chest was almost hairless until his early 40's! Now he's sprouting it everywhere! PLAYMAKER Can anyone describe EXACTLY what it is you think you can see? I've slo-moed back and forward until the tape started wearing thin and if you really think what I think you think you see through that thick distorting glass, then he's also got a pair of horns and she a tail... THE ADVOCATE (THOTP) Now I suspect there may be different takes incorporated in the American cut. Mine shows exactly what Renate describes about hers. He is sitting and towelling his upper thighs (or... whatever!) - but you can only see him down to his waist. Can't see his lap at all. Waaaaaaaaaaah! TEP She married him on the rebound - she just didn't love him. Surely, a lot of "it" is not enough? CAMILLE He was very young, quite a solid performance, but not too powerful - and the adaptation was a little watery, perhaps. Not a lot to talk about, unless one is a real enthusiast...;-) BIMBO Karen, what do you understand by "bimbo"? According to my Oxford Dictionary, the English language has adapted the word to mean a young empty-headed woman. The original Italian meaning is literally "little child". In the quote from the interview Colin was speaking against the impression given by tabloids that Livia was as young as 19, so that he was a cradle-snatcher - and in this context he seemed to be flaunting his (obviously!) intimate knowledge of Italian... Livia is actually about 28 now, and (assumi g she's now completed her studies) a doctor of English literature - so neither meaning would be approriate anyway... ONCE MORE INTO THE BREECHES... As to the contents of Mr Darcy's breeches, you can all have all sorts of fantasies, but the simple truth is that his groin seemed to have been in the same league as the moon - there were phases... And the shirt in which he walks from the pond is not necessarily the shirt he was wearing earlier. There were several shirts made for different scenes and Crispin Bonham-Carter confirms that he had to wear his "like a nappy" (diaper in US-speak) AND that Colin was jealous of the shape of his (Crispin's)groin... But perhaps his face is more interesting... Love his toothy-goofy-grin with an overbite, matchstick limbs, pimply chin... Does it sound like the emperor has no clothes?... But, hey, he's HUMAN! And he's never denied it... (But not huge feet. Oh, no. His feet seem in very reasonable proportion. But he loves wearing wide fitting, comfortable shoes or boots...) And I'm sorry, but Colin's chest NEVER looked squishy.... SCANNER Congrats, Nan - can this thing enlarge?... WESTERN Is Mr Northam a Brit, then?

WESTERN (Arami)Is Mr Northam a Brit, then? What do you mean? He's not British!? He seemed to have a convincing accent in Emma, the Net, and etc. Also, for the western film, can I be the director of photography (cinematographer)? Photography is my hobby anyway. Alicia

WESTERN Is Mr Northam a Brit, then? (Alicia)He seemed to have a convincing accent in Emma, the Net etc. Seriously, I have always assumed he's American or Canadian. To my knowledge he's never worked on this side of the pond (or I haven't noticed him, is it possible?...) Any Jeremy fans out there to put us right on this one?

WESTERN (Arami) Is Mr Northam a Brit, then? (Alicia)He seemed to have a convincing accent in Emma, the Net etc. (Arami) Seriously, I have always assumed he's American or Canadian. To my knowledge he's never worked on this side of the pond (or I haven't noticed him, is it possible?...) Any Jeremy fans out there to put us right on this one? Since there's a link at the beginning of drool to a Jeremy Northam home page, I thought I'd check it out. He's a Brit all right. Born in Cambridge, majored in English at London U, studied theatre at the Bristol Old Vic Theatre School. Has appeared in many Royal Natl Theatre and RSC productions. I did like him in Emma. Size of One's Feet (Arami) But not huge feet. Oh, no. His feet seem in very reasonable proportion. I'm just guessing, then, you've never heard what they say about the size of one's feet relative to other appendages ;-)) It was not meant to be critical, probably from some guys standpoint, it would be enviable. Is that a uniquely American observation? BIMBOS In addition to the brainless aspects, the American definition includes a certain laxity in morals. That's probably what I found most unusual for him to use in an interview. If I were he and a reporter used that term in referring to my fiance, I don't think I'd explain it away. I'd deck him. SQUISHY CHEST It's all a matter of degrees and I'm not saying where he ranks on the continuum of Pillsbury Doughboy (sorry, I couldn't think of anything else) to Arnold Schwartzenegger. Hey, I'm here, aren't I? I must think that there is something right with him, it's just not his upper body in most movies. As I said before, we get accustomed to seeing male bodies on TV/movies in the US look a certain way, except for on NYPD Blue when Dennis Franz bares his butt!!

NORTHAM Well, I never. I haven't heard of him working in films/TV over here at all. Obviously he belongs to Hollyweird now - a sort of duty Englishman, I guess...:) BIMBO As you can see, neither Colin nor I had any knowledge of the additional aspect of the American meaning of the word. In the interview it was he and not the journalist who apparently came up with the word first. FEET In the European tradition - at least in my case - it's the size on a man's nose... and Colin's isn't that huge after all... and in any case, they say it's not the size that matters, it's what he does with it... and none of his women close acquaintances have ever been heard complaining yet... HIS SQUISHY (?) CHEST... ...is quite enough for me. I definitely do not wish to see his pretty head perched on top of a beefy neck, monstrous arms and unnaturally overblown shoulders... He is totally from a different mould, a different category altogether... As Anthony Minghella said, Colin is delicate...

Okay, I must confess. I've done an extremely bad thing today. I went to the bookstore to buy a copy of Movieline. I looked through it and it was only one page! I was so disappointed. And I was very surprised to find out that he and Meg Tilly were an item once. I always assumed it was a brit. Then I saw a copy of Los Angeles magazine with the face of Ralph Fiennes plastered on it. I couldn't resist. Ralph Fiennes was my first love (well, the first time I fell hook, line, and sinker for an actor). I bought that instead of Movieline. I thought that I was over Ralph a long time ago but I guess it's a relapse now. I feel so guilty! I deserve to be stoned in the marketplace. I must have a Colin fix now to make up for my sin. Alicia, poor stupid girl. P.S. I mentioned before that I didn't like CF's smile, but the one in Movieline was great! And his feet are HUGE.

HIS SQUISHY (?) CHEST... Oh, I've missed so much - I've only been able to quickly scan the posts so I don't know where this topic started - but squishy?? I thought he looked pretty good in ATA, but then I'm pretty easy to please when it comes to his body. COLIN'S WESTERN Since I know nothing about makin' movies, can I be Colin's personal assistant, or personal photographer, or personal trainer??? :-D Karen, I think "JB" refers to Juliette Binoche - a fave of Renate's - guys let me know if I'm wrong. THE ADVOCATE AND PLAYMAKER I'm obviously watching the sexed-down versions of these movies (no fair!) - but with Bethan's very precise instructions, I'll try Playmaker again. ;-) SISKEL & EBERT I can't remember who asked about a post-P&P recommendation, but I'd also suggest Valmont for starters - someone also mentioned they didn't like his big toothy grin - as much as I love the Darcy brood, I dare anyone to complain about that smile after seeing Valmont - so sexy and playful - or Nan's Movieline photo (thank you, dearest!)! I'm with Nan on the next suggestion - Femme Fatale - there's so much to like about his performance here. He's positively edible, and then there's that scene in the grocery store...okay, and you all know I like the sex scenes in Playmaker, so there!! ;-p COLIN MOVIE DISCUSSION I'd also like to go along with Valmont as the next movie to discuss - I'm happy for any excuse. NORTHAM I couldn't resist - he's my second favorite Brit. You're right, Arami, he's not been in much. He was in a few obscure English things - A Village Affair, A Fatal Inversion - I even saw him on an old Poirot episode not long ago - before The Net. I'm extremely prejudiced, but he's been yummy in everything I've seen. COLIN'S "NOSE" (Arami)In the European tradition - at least in my case - it's the size of a man's nose... Well, I think his nose is perfect... and in any case, they say it's not the size that matters, it's what he does with it... and none of his women close acquaintances have ever been heard complaining yet... I find that very easy to believe, Arami, uh-oh, I feel a fantasy coming on...sigh!

CUP AND SAUCER (Bethan) Nan, oh Nan!! You're looking at the wrong shower scene. But...but...butt, how can it be the wrong shower scene if I actually saw something? :-.O Now this is my last word on the subject, so pay attention! Shower scene 2. Approximately 28-29 seconds into the scene, focus on the middle row of glass panels, third panel from the right. I cannot be more explicit without blushing :-)!! Well, I have followed your directions exactly and I still cannot see a blessed thing! I give up. I'll just have to take your word for it I'm afraid. NOSTROMO (Bethan) Karen, "Nostromo" deserves a second viewing, although it needed some tighter editing. And you do end up liking the beard (I did!). I liked the way he looked in Nostromo, especially the beard in his natural color no less. Which, not to confuse the "dark" issue appears quite light. PLAYMAKER (Arami) Can anyone describe EXACTLY what it is you think you can see? I've slo-moed back and forward until the tape started wearing thin and if you really think what I think you think you see through that thick distorting glass, then he's also got a pair of horns and she a tail... LOL! This is very true. See, Bethan I'm not the only one... THE ADVOCATE (THOTP) He is sitting and towelling his upper thighs (or... whatever!) - but you can only see him down to his waist. Can't see his lap at all. Waaaaaaaaaaah! Oh that isn't very fair, is it? But you guys got all the juicy stuff which I would very much like to see. CAMILLE He was very young, quite a solid performance, but not too powerful - and the adaptation was a little watery, perhaps. Not a lot to talk about, unless one is a real enthusiast...;-) Well, I hate to leave a stone unturned. Your comments are similar to what I've read about it, but I guess it couldn't be any worse than the "P" movie. ;-p SCANNER Congrats, Nan - can this thing enlarge?... Oh yeah, but that was just my first try at the scanner so I wasn't really sure what I was doing. I think it's one of those things you learn by trial and error. So when I get better at it, I'll be able to do all kinds of bee-yew-tee-ful things. FOR SHAME ALICIA! ;-p Movieline. I looked through it and it was only one page! I was so disappointed. Then I saw a copy of Los Angeles magazine with the face of Ralph Fiennes plastered on it. (snip) I bought that instead of Movieline. LOL! I think I can forgive you considering my propensity to bring up Kevin Costner and my lovely, balding brute of a hockey player. Glass houses you know...;-p COLIN'S WESTERN (Marilyn) Since I know nothing about makin' movies, can I be Colin's personal assistant, or personal photographer, or personal trainer??? :-D LOL! Doesn't matter what it is as long as it's personal, huh Marilyn? I say go for the masseuse job...;-D Karen, I think "JB" refers to Juliette Binoche - a fave of Renate's - guys let me know if I'm wrong. Yes, that's correct. COLIN MOVIE DISCUSSION I'd also like to go along with Valmont as the next movie to discuss - I'm happy for any excuse. Okeedokee. Valmont it is. Discussion begins next week--say Wednesday October 29. NORTHAM (Marilyn) I couldn't resist - he's my second favorite Brit. LOL! I was waiting for you to pounce on this. ;-D

TRUE CONFESSIONS (Alicia) Then I saw a copy of Los Angeles magazine with the face of Ralph Fiennes plastered on it. I couldn't resist...I bought that instead of Movieieline.... I feel so guilty! I deserve to be stoned in the marketplace. I must have a Colin fix now to make up for my sin. Well, if that's the worst thing that you've done, your penance is to watch "Playmaker" (is that the bad one??) three times!!!! BTW, no one gets over their first idol. Actually, I don't think I've ever lost my interest in any of them. It's just a question of intensity. THE ADVOCATE AND PLAYMAKER (Marilyn) I'm obviously watching the sexed-down versions of these movies (no fair!) OK, I know there are differences between American and European cuts of films. And there are different videotape protocols (PAL, NTSC). Does anyone sell the European versions here to buy? Or do they have to be converted? Now, I'm certainly not complaining about what I have seen so far in CF's movies because it's all quite nice and he obliges us so frequently, but if there is more, I hate feeling cheated!!! SISKEL & EBERT (Marilyn) I'm with Nan on the next suggestion - Femme Fatale - there's so much to like about his performance here. He's positively edible, and then there's that scene in the grocery store...okay, and you all know I like the sex scenes in Playmaker, so there!! ;-p Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! CUP AND SAUCER (Bethan) Nan, oh Nan!! You're looking at the wrong shower scene. (nan) But...but...butt, how can it be the wrong shower scene if I actually saw something? :-.O I gotta get this movie and a bigger TV set!!! NOSTROMO (nan) I liked the way he looked in Nostromo, especially the beard in his natural color no less. Which, not to confuse the "dark" issue appears quite light. Which is it, ladies? I originally thought he was in the strawberry blond family. You have all convinced me that he is naturally dark and curly. Now we are talking about a light beard? Now, who was it that was measuring the lengths of shirt tails and rationalizing their stuffing power? Perhaps, we could have a theory that hair grows in different shades on different parts of the body!!! And I'm not talking about grey hair. I'm getting so confused!!

I'm doin' a little test thingie--

CACA!! Again...

I shall conquer this!!

This is getting humiliating ;-.(

Well, that was worth the trouble now wasn't it? :-D I have no idea what happened to the bottom of the photo, but I'm getting closer anyway ;-p

THE FIRST (Karen)BTW, no one gets over their first idol. Actually, I don't think I've ever lost my interest in any of them. It's just a question of intensity. You're right,Karen. It is a matter of intensity. There are so many actors that I adore but I can only take one at time. I sometimes feel that I can't like real men because my head is in celebrity-dom. Anyway, this weekend I'm going to indulge myself in Colin videos (hopefully I'll have the time). Alicia

Nice work Nan, certain worth it!! Karen

MOVIELINE COLIN Ooooh, Nan, he's so pretty!! Thank you, dearest, it's workin' for me!! ;-) FEMME FATALE (Karen)Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! Oh, Karen, I'd guess everything melted - the heat that man generates!! ;-D I know I felt feverish and sweaty watching that little freezer dance! "OTHER" MEN (Nan)LOL! I think I can forgive you considering my propensity to bring up Kevin Costner and my lovely, balding brute of a hockey player. Glass houses you know...;-p Oh, my! Colin, Northam, Fiennes, Coster, and Nan's (yes, he's YOURS!) hockey beast - such lovely, happy thoughts!! Alicia, I'm finding Los Angeles AND Movieline tonight - I can think of few things more pleasing than spending an evening with Colin and Ralph - yummmm! COLIN'S WESTERN (Nan)Doesn't matter what it is as long as it's personal, huh Marilyn? I say go for the masseuse job...;-D LOL!! Oh, you know me too well, sister friend! ;-)

NAN... OOOOH, NAAAAN...!!!....

Welcome back, Arami, we have missed you and all your jucy tidbits. Now, does anyone know Jennifer Ely? She would have first hand information about the shirttale issue.; ) !!

(KarenR)Perhaps, we could have a theory that hair grows in different shades on different parts of the body!!! OK, I'm probably being an idiot, but for people with hair that tends to blonde or red, doesn't exposure to the sun have an effect on the color? And some parts, no matter how many nude scenes you do in movies, don't get as much exposure as others. Anyway, my husband has dark brown hair, but his mustache comes in red. So there is room for debate here. Whatever color is "natural," the man is a babe. Thanks for the photo, Nan.

"OTHER" MEN (Marilyn) Oh, my! Colin, Northam, Fiennes, Coster, and Nan's (yes, he's YOURS!) hockey beast - such lovely, happy thoughts!! mine, Mine, MINE!! ;-D MOVIELINE PHOTO (Arami)NAN... OOOOH, NAAAAN...!!!.... Big enough for you pal? ;-p THE HAIR COLOR ISSUE (KarenR)Perhaps, we could have a theory that hair grows in different shades on different parts of the body!!! Well now that's true. I know a couple of men who have dark hair, but light beards. I'm leaving for a little weekend trip...see you all on Monday. ;-)

LET THERE BE LIGHT (Lori) And some parts, no matter how many nude scenes you do in movies, don't get as much exposure as others. Toooo funny!!! So, all our future cinematic hopes for him are not going to result in lighter hair? ...So there is room for debate here. Whatever color is "natural," the man is a babe. I don't think anyone here will take the opposite side of a debate on your last comment. NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET... A while ago, I said I found it kind of difficult recasting movies because I have a tendency to identify actors with their roles. If an actor was miscast, then then the movie was probably bad and, hence, forgetable. So, I came up with a role for Colin based on a book that has not been made into a movie yet (but they gotta...it's soooooo good). The book is called Rose and its by Martin Cruz Smith, the author of Gorky Park. This one takes place around the turn of the century (could be on the 19th C part though, I'd have to go back and check). Colin would play Blair, a world-weary, malarial geologist type who had come back to England from Africa and then would engage in some Sherlock Holmesian activities in a coal mining town. While the Blair was born in this coal mining town in England, he was taken to America as a child. I don't think this is critical to the story. But Nan said I should explain why I would put Colin in the role, so here goes: A Bathing Scene!!! Which was true, although Blair was sure that she was far more attractive undressed than he was. He pulled off his boots and socks and stood shakily, supporting himself with the table to unbutton his shirt. Looking down, he saw how coal dust had collected down the center of his chest. He opened his pants and long johns and stepped out of them, feeling not so much bare as embarrassed. In the Gold Coast he had always been aware of how pale and scrawny he appeared. In Wigan, too, as it turned out. ***** Although her hands weren't broad, they were strong, and when she washed his neck he let his head loll back drunkenly. In the mirror by the stairs he saw himself, tub and her. Her hair was loose and wild: all she needed in it, he thought, was a briar rose to be a muse of summer. Add a lute and a silvery stream and she could be a model. Between the steam and and washing him, she was almost as wet as he was, damp muslin clinging to her arms. Her hair brushed his cheek. It was the sort of deep brown tha became red with the looking. No fizzy orange but threads of sable, copper, sienna, gold. She poured more water over him to sponge his chest. It was the heat of the water combined with the gin in his veins, but he felt himself start to harden. The tub water wasn't so soapy that she couldn't see. He was astounded and ashamed. The rest of him was bruised and dead, yet this single part was unmistakably alive, rising like Lazarus, a traitor from the water. He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip, a circular motion repeated by her breasts against his back. From their friction he became aware that they had stiffened, too. Can't you just see him in that tub? Does anyone want to hear more????? (I hope there aren't any 12-year olds around.) Actually, you've already seen the most graphic description!! But the rest, hmmmmmm

CAREER CHOICES There was precious little there to showcase Colin's range and abilities, but I don't think it will damage him in any way. I suspect that, as far as Hollywood is concerned, he is quite content to jog along (like Jess!) as a reliable and capable supporting actor until maybe he gets something he really likes. It is frustrating for us that he seems in no hurry - in three years he'll be 40! but personally I'm a loyal fan and accept his choice. Remember, according to his own words, he isn't having a career - hs simply doing a job honestly and as well as he can... (Arami) I meant to comment on this earlier, Arami. I agree with you.. I REALLY want to see him in the roles he deserves (no more cameos, please, my fast-forward button will be worn out!) but I sometimes wonder what sort of offers he's had from Hollywood, and what his range of choices is like. I still get the feeling that he continues to be underestimated as an actor, even, or perhaps especially, in the UK. I want to see MORE, much MORE of him, and in strong dramatic roles which really stretch him and allow his ta ents as an actor to be fully recognised. Maybe more work in television/theatre? I think that he's trying his best to be involved in high quality work, but it must be difficult always to make the right choices. Perhaps his "career" will follow more along the lines of Ian Holm - King Lear and lots of good supporting roles in quality movies. I think that Colin said somewhere that his favourite American actor was Robert Duvall - again an excellent supporting actor rather than a movie star. BTW why does it always say in Colin's FAQ that Hollywood is interested in him for the role of Sherlock Holmes. Is this true? It has possibilities. A QUESTION OF POSITION What exactly is in the missing 15 minutes in the Advocate, which audiences in the US are deemed too delicate to see. I suppose I can guess! The Advocate is very versatile! I remember watching HOTP and being momentarily shocked :-) Now nice Mr Darcy would never have done anything like that (or would he?)!!! SHOWER SCENE I see what I see. And if I'm the only one, well tough luck!! The rest of you will have to carry on gazing at his nose or his feet, or whatever... :-) I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR HIM Nowadays I seem to be the only Colin fan who doesn't care much about other actors (Arami) I am very telescopic in my obsession - only HIM! And I won't change my loyalties Have a nice weekend, Nan, and thanks for the photo! Well scanned!

(Bethan) I remember watching HOTP and being momentarily shocked :-) Now nice Mr Darcy would never have done anything like that (or would he?)!!! Can you give us a little hint as to what Mr. Darcy might not have done? Is there a US source to buy these European versions of films? Karen R, the book Rose (no pun intended) by Smith sounds absolutely delightful! I could vividly imagine CF in that scene. Has this book been out very long? (Arami) There were several shirts made for different scenes and Crispin Bonham-Carter confirms that he had to wear his "like a nappy" (diaper in US-speak) AND that Colin was jealous of the shape of his (Crispin's)groin. They must be jesting! CF jealous of CBC? Well, that was before they saw the final cut! As in everything else, they (Davies & Co., plus JA) made Darcy superior to Bingley; there'd be no way they'd let it be otherwise in this sense! If CBC was, the camera didn't catch it or it was left on the cutting room floor. The light pants that CF wore helped alot, too. With dark fabric, any shadows created by "form" disappears. Love those light pants!!! (Bethan) Nan, oh Nan!! You're looking at the wrong shower scene. Now this is my last word on the subject, so pay attention! Shower scene 2. Approximately 28-29 seconds into the scene, focus on the middle row of glass panels, third panel from the right. I cannot be more explicit without blushing :-)!! But once you've seen it, you see it every time! And I don't even scrutinise these kind of scenes very carefully :-) Exactly what kind of equipment are we talking about .... It must have to do with size and heads. Bethan, how many heads does your VCR have? Is it VHS or what? What size is your TV screen? This discussion (some see it, some don't) is all very vexing. It motivates me to drastically upgrade my electronic equipment rather getting the cheapest things at CostCo. Has anyone seen CF in "The Secret Garden" (Hallmark Hall of Fame version)? It was filmed 10 years ago, and there are shades of Colin in that boy (for the two minutes he was in it, all at the very end), but it was positively painful to watch him walk, as he was hobbling from a war wound. Painful because we know just how delectably he can walk naturally (e.g., downhill after the pond scene in P&P2). He was very "clean-cut" looking, in uniform, and reminded me of The Jock in "The Breakfast Club" (Emilio E tevez). His hair was a non-descript shade of brown. It was cut fairly short, but had definite hints of waviness, not curly, but I imagine it could get a little curly when long enough and humid enough. But, he was wearing light pants with high boots, and his voice, definitely CF. The whole scene consisted of him kissing Mary, proposing to her, and kissing her again. End of movie. He must have been 26 or 27 at the time. How did he support himself with these few and tiny little roles early in his care r? (Oh, sorry, with this "job".) Thanks for the info on how to do italics, etc. I'll see if I did it right.

(Arami) It is frustrating for us that he seems in no hurry - in three years he'll be 40! I just saw "A Month in the Country" and Colin must have been 26 in it. And I must say that he is aging rather well. Other actors growing handsomer by the minute: Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, and Jeff Bridges. Alicia

Claudia: How did he support himself with these few and tiny little roles early in his career? Who said they were few and tiny? He has been in virtually constant demand since leaving drama school in 1983 and has always been busy, even if not always taking leading roles. Have you seen Friends of Firth web site, Claudia? Such links as FAQ or Internet Movie Database also give lots of useful info.

Is he just too stunning for words, or what? ;-D

So lovely, isn't he? At some point I will get used to the syntax and I'll get it right the firthst time ;-)

BTW, I should like to say that I did not scan the above 2 photos. The excellent Renate was good enough to send them to me...are they not toooooo gorgeous? ;-)

Bravo.

I had to take a break for some days, but now I'm back and I hope you like what I brought along.... do you like it? These both portraits are my top favourites, together with the "beer-picture" and the "Happy Man in Black"! I'll try the beer-pic. (Courtesy to Picture Gallery of Republic of Pemberley) BTW, today is Fever Pitch Day! Oct. 27 is release date of the PAL videotapes.

TRUE CONFESSIONS (Alicia) ...I bought that instead of Movieieline.... I feel so guilty! I deserve to be stoned in the marketplace. I must have a Colin fix now to make up for my sin. (Karen) Well, if that's the worst thing that you've done, your penance is to watch "Playmaker" (is that the bad one??) three times!!!! Penance indeed. Ugh! BTW, no one gets over their first idol. Actually, I don't think I've ever lost my interest in any of them. It's just a question of intensity. I agree, I still have a little Shaun Cassidy thing going ;-p THE ADVOCATE AND PLAYMAKER (Karen) Does anyone sell the European versions here to buy? Or do they have to be converted? They have to be converted I'm afraid--can't buy the European versions here. ;-( SISKEL & EBERT (Marilyn) He's positively edible, and then there's that scene in the grocery store...okay, and you all know I like the sex scenes in Playmaker, so there!! ;-p ...she said defiantly. LOL! ;-) (Karen) Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! Oh that scene just makes me wild!! Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET... (Karen) The book is called Rose and its by Martin Cruz Smith, the author of Gorky Park. (snip) A Bathing Scene!!! Which was true, although Blair was sure that she was far more attractive undressed than he was. He pulled off his boots and socks and stood shakily, supporting himself with the table to unbutton his shirt. Looking down, he saw how coal dust had collected down the center of his chest. He opened his pants and long johns and stepped out of them, feeling not so much bare as embarrassed. In the Gold Coast he had always been aware of how pale and scrawny he appeared. In Wigan, too, as it turned out. Oh my Karen!! This is tooooo juicy...I just love the coal dust collecting on his chest--yum! Although her hands weren't broad, they were strong, and when she washed his neck he let his head loll back drunkenly What a vision that gave me!! (snip) Between the steam and and washing him, she was almost as wet as he was, damp muslin clinging to her arms. (snip) She poured more water over him to sponge his chest. It was the heat of the water combined with the gin in his veins, but he felt himself start to harden. The tub water wasn't so soapy that she couldn't see. He was astounded and ashamed. The rest of him was bruised and dead, yet this single part was unmistakably alive, rising like Lazarus, a traitor from the water. He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip, a circular motion repeated by her breasts against his back. From their friction he became aware that they had stiffened, too. Merciful heavens...don't stop now! "Lazarus" - LOL! ;-) I think we shall have to build a dam somewhere on the firthlands to hold back to the rising drool flood... Can't you just see him in that tub? Does anyone want to hear more????? Not only can I see him in that tub, but I see ME in that tub as well...;-D A QUESTION OF POSITION (Bethan) What exactly is in the missing 15 minutes in the Advocate, which audiences in the US are deemed too delicate to see. I suppose I can guess! I heard that there is a beach strolling scene and that the scenes with the gypsy (I can never remember her name--my short term memory is shot ladies) are longer. SHOWER SCENE (Bethan) I see what I see. And if I'm the only one, well tough luck!! The rest of you will have to carry on gazing at his nose or his feet, or whatever... :-) Or his "horns" as the case may be ;-p GREEN-EYED COLIN (Claudia) They must be jesting! CF jealous of CBC? Well, that was before they saw the final cut! I've read that quote too and I cannot imagine what Colin meant. I never even noticed CBC's breeches. Thought never even crossed my mind to look... (Claudia) Exactly what kind of equipment are we talking about .... It must have to do with size and heads. Bethan, how many heads does your VCR have? Is it VHS or what? What size is your TV screen? This discussion (some see it, some don't) is all very vexing. It motivates me to drastically upgrade my electronic equipment rather getting the cheapest things at CostCo. LOL!! I think that whoever mentioned the difference in PAL vs. NTSB format was correct. It's probably something inherent to those formats. The things I mentioned (the swatch of blue underwear in Femme Fatale and the er...treasure trail in The Advocate) can be seen in the US versions but apparently not in the European. I think that whatever Bethan is seeing in the shower scene in (ugh!) Playmaker is just her excellent eyesight! ;-) Has anyone seen CF in "The Secret Garden" (Hallmark Hall of Fame version)? I have seen it and he is such a little cutie. You know you're a Colin fan when you go to the trouble of renting a movie in which he appears for all of 2 minutes. :-) but it was positively painful to watch him walk, as he was hobbling from a war wound. Painful because we know just how delectably he can walk naturally I remember thinking the same thing when I saw Tumbledown (where he's kind of dragging one leg). It was painful to see. AGING (Alicia) I just saw "A Month in the Country" and Colin must have been 26 in it. And I must say that he is aging rather well. Other actors growing handsomer by the minute: Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, and Jeff Bridges. LOL! Strange you should pick those men to mention--we've all said the same thing--that these men are getting better looking. Too funny. You're definitely in the right place Alicia ;-)

PICTURES Oh, what a cutie!!! especially those b&w ones. Keep'm coming!! Why can't the American media see what we see? They must be blind as bats. BTW, should I be able to print from here? All I ever get is the little response box. CAREER CHOICES (lizbeth) I want to see MORE, much MORE of him, and in strong dramatic roles which really stretch him and allow his talents as an actor to be fully recognised. Maybe more work in television/theatre? I think that he's trying his best to be involved in high quality work, but it must be difficult always to make the right choices. He's seems to have the right stuff upstairs (just look at how this guy interprets his roles--right on the money), so I don't think that it's a question of his choices. Maybe he's just not getting the right offers. He needs a better agent!!! ...that Hollywood is interested in him for the role of Sherlock Holmes. Is this true? It has possibilities. I hope not. Anyway, is there a need? Who was it? Jeremy Brett, I think, was just plain marvelous in the last series. THE STUFF DREAMS ARE MADE OF (Claudia) If CBC was, the camera didn't catch it or it was left on the cutting room floor. The light pants that CF wore helped alot, too. With dark fabric, any shadows created by "form" disappears. Love those light pants!!! I hope nothing else of such significance was left on the cutting room floor!! Hmmmmmm...the color of the pants...a new theory. Definitely better than diapers or nappies!! Although, I do like the stuffing contest. What article described the stuffing contest between CF and CBC? I must read it. Does it have any pictures? measurements? materials used? NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET (Claudia) The book Rose (no pun intended) by Smith sounds absolutely delightful! I could vividly imagine CF in that scene. Has this book been out very long? I believe it came out either at the end of last year or at the beginning of this year. I think it is now in paperback. It is actually quite good and quite different from his other novels. (nan) Not only can I see him in that tub, but I see ME in that tub as well...;-D Ok, here's the rest of the bathing scene. Go get the book, there are a couple of other scenes, which in "drool parlance" could potentially be called the "yarn dance" scene!! Oh yeah, another reason CF would be great in this is that he could do it with the Darcy five o'clock shadow. and now back to our story... He felt his blood pound, but Rose didn't break contact, as if they were both mesmerized and complicit in the steady rhythmic motion of the sponge in her hand and the heat of the stove. ***** He felt her breath on his neck as her hand came to a stop. He was amazed that through the pain and gin he could be so aware of her touch, of her heartbeat through the slight tremor of her breast, the very air of her. ***** They were trapped like two people who had encountered each other in the dark, neither wishing to back away. He felt her soft exhalation and the brush of her hair on the side of his cheek. The sponge in her hand rest motionlessly on his thigh. He didn't know who would have moved first if Flo hadn't returned. "Success," she announced as she marched down the stairs, oversized pants hanging from one hand and cap and shapeless jacket in the other. "Everythin' but a silk scarf." Immediately Blair felt himself subside into uncomplicated pain. Rose sat back silently and wiped her brow while Flo bustled around the kitchen. Blair didn't understand what had transpired, but he did know that the moment was gone and that without its tension he was progressively more drunk. Rose got to her feet and gave the sponge to Flo. "Dry him, dress him, take him back t'his hotel." She untied her apron and went up the stairs that Flo had just come down. "Sure." Flo was surprised by Rose's retreat but still full of momentum. She said to Blair, "Your shoes are full o' muck, but you can wear clogs." "Great." It was his last coherent word.

SISKEL & EBERT & FROZEN PEAS (Karen) Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! (Nan) Oh that scene just makes me wild!! Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) Playing with food again? :-)) A QUESTION OF POSITION (Bethan) What exactly is in the missing 15 minutes in the Advocate, which audiences in the US are deemed too delicate to see. I suppose I can guess! (Nan) I heard that there is a beach strolling scene and that the scenes with the gypsy (I can never remember her name--my short term memory is shot ladies) are longer. I have only seen the European Version, and the only scene I thought rather explicit is the romping around with Maria (BTW, did I already mention that my middle name is Maria? No kidding! :-))) and ruining the bed in the course of their activities. Other potential for editing, I list some scenes, you say if you remember: There was the dream sequence, when a young couple, stark raving naked, tied to each other, are attacked and hunted down by horsemen or something. * When Courtois wakes up, and Maria comments on his nice dream, before she undresses and then joins him, and they exercise some "positions". Explicit noise to hear outside of the house. * Courtois signing Marias bare butt. * Several bare butts, male and female in the bathing house scene. * Full frontal nudity of the daughter with the hysteric laughter (can' remember her name) * Bare breasts in close up on the party on the castle. * Bare breast of Jeannine the witch. Come to think of it, quite a lot of skin in this film, indeed, and nothing obscured by glass bricks. :-) Did I forget something important? The scenes with Samira were rather tame, IMO, as far as I remember. . And the nude scene by the river: what would they want to edit: miles away, and branches and leaves obscuring the sight. Anything that you NTSCler did not see? PICTURES (Karen) BTW, should I be able to print from here? All I ever get is the little response box. ???? Don't understand your question. Can you explain a bit? LIFE IN DOWNING STREET NO 10 ? "Sure." Flo was surprised by Rose's retreat but still full of momentum. She said to Blair, "Your shoes are full o' muck, but you can wear clogs." "Great." It was his last coherent word.before he left to meet Helmut and Bill for an agrarian summit.

.....butt. * Several bare butts, male and female in the bathing house scene. * Full frontal nudity of the daughter with the hysteric laughter (can' remember her name) * Bare breasts in close up on the party on the castle. * Bare breast of Jeannine the witch. No, I can't!!! Don't argue with me, Tom Yapp-bin!

PICTURES (Karen) Oh, what a cutie!!! especially those b&w ones. Keep'm coming!! I really, really like that dark, serious one. I was getting all goosebumpy just playing with the picture in photoshop (blowing it up, making it sketchy). Oh just peel me off the ceiling!;-) (Karen) BTW, should I be able to print from here? All I ever get is the little response box. Yes, you should be able to print them. If you can't get it to work, I can send them via email and you can try printing from that if you'd like. CAREER CHOICES (Karen)Maybe he's just not getting the right offers. He needs a better agent!!! I nominate Renate! ;-) NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET (nan) Not only can I see him in that tub, but I see ME in that tub as well...;-D (Karen) Ok, here's the rest of the bathing scene. Go get the book, there are a couple of other scenes, which in "drool parlance" could potentially be called the "yarn dance" scene!! Damned straight I'm getting the book! ;-D The sponge in her hand rest motionlessly on his thigh. He didn't know who would have moved first if Flo hadn't returned. "motionlessly on his thigh"--oh sure, maybe I might stop moving at a time like that.;-p Rose got to her feet and gave the sponge to Flo. "Dry him, dress him, take him back t'his hotel." 'Strip him, bathe him and bring him to my tent' ;-p Oooh I really liked that one Karen. Good choice! SISKEL & EBERT & FROZEN PEAS (Nan) Oh that scene just makes me wild!! Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) (Renate) Playing with food again? :-)) It's the same as the ice cubes ;-O A QUESTION OF POSITION (Renate)I have only seen the European Version, and the only scene I thought rather explicit is the romping around with Maria That scene was kind of explicit, but too comic to be really hot I thought. There was the dream sequence, when a young couple, stark raving naked, tied to each other, are attacked and hunted down by horsemen or something. I don't think I recall that one, but it's been a while. * When Courtois wakes up, and Maria comments on his nice dream, before she undresses and then joins him, and they exercise some "positions". Explicit noise to hear outside of the house. * Yep, that one made it in to both versions I guess. Courtois signing Marias bare butt. Don't remember that one, but again, I haven't seen it in a while. * Several bare butts, male and female in the bathing house scene. * Full frontal nudity of the daughter with the hysteric laughter (can't remember her name) * Bare breasts in close up on the party on the castle. * Yes to all. The scenes with Samira were rather tame, IMO, as far as I remember. . And the nude scene by the river: what would they want to edit: miles away, and branches and leaves obscuring the sight. Hmmm...there is no scene by the river. The only scene with Samira is very tame--so tame it's dull. LIFE IN DOWNING STREET NO 10 ? (Renate)...before he left to meet Helmut and Bill for an agrarian summit. LOL! Wiseass...;-p

THE PICS Absolutely delicious! Oh, baby, he looks sooooooooooo good. Where do the B&W photos come from? FIRST IDOL BTW, no one gets over their first idol. Actually, I don't think I've ever lost my interest in any of them. It's just a question of intensity. (Nan)I agree, I still have a little Shaun Cassidy thing going ;-p ROTFLMAO! :-P

THE PICS (Alicia) Where do the B&W photos come from? They are from the April 97 issue of Empire...I can't take the beauty, tis too much! ;-)... ;-)..... ;-)........ FIRST IDOL (Nan) I agree, I still have a little Shaun Cassidy thing going ;-p (Alicia) ROTFLMAO! :-P Oh yeah I laugh about it now, but he was the living end when I was 12! My first true lust obsession. 1978, Madison Square Garden, Shaun wearing all white satin doing his best to look sexy--ooh it was too much for my blossoming hormones! The beginnings of drooldom ;-D BTW, Shirley Jones sobbed through a good portion of that show; at the time I had no idea why--now it's just too cute ;-) Okay ladies, spill it--I've confessed my shameful teeny bopper secret--your turn...

opic 51 of 64 [drool]: Colin Firth Response 370 of 374: Renate (Renata) * Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (21:06) * 41 lines FROZEN PEAS (Karen) Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! (Nan) Oh that scene just makes me wild!! Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) (Renate) Playing with food again? :-)) Do I have my choice as what I want to play with? ;-D A QUESTION OF POSITION (Bethan) What exactly is in the missing 15 minutes in the Advocate, which audiences in the US are deemed too delicate to see. I suppose I can guess! (Renate) There was the dream sequence, when a young couple, stark raving naked, tied to each other, are attacked and hunted down by horsemen or something. * When Courtois wakes up, and Maria comments on his nice dream, before she undresses and then joins him, and they exercise some "positions". Is this different from the naked people being hunted dream scene at the beginning? (Renate) Explicit noise to hear outside of the house. * What explicit noise? I haven't received my own personal copy of The Advocate yet, otherwise, I'd just do a FF. (Renate)The scenes with Samira were rather tame, IMO, as far as I remember. . PRINTING Nan, maybe this belongs on your "Drool Help Topic" because nothing except the little response box ever appears when I hit Print. I'm talking about not just pictures, but text as well. Also, if there aren't any "new" messages and I want to get into the topic, I change the instruction to Last 7 Days, but it reloads back to the beginning of September, which means it takes forever with all those full-color pictures in there. Am I the only one with this problem? Am I doing something wrong? I mean this is not the end of the world because I can't print (it will save some trees though). I view it as a mere inconvenience. Go ahead and e-mail them to me, Nan, but what do I need to view them in?? What app? LIFE IN DOWNING STREET NO 10 ? "Sure." Flo was surprised by Rose's retreat but still full of momentum. She said to Blair, "Your shoes are full o' muck, but you can wear clogs." "Great." It was his last coherent word.... before he left to meet Helmut and Bill for an agrarian summit. Oh, dear Renate. Does this mean that they won't make this wonderful book in to a movie starring CF because of his name because the same as the PM's :-(( Time for a reelection, then. Priorities, priorities!! Here in the US, we don't give a damn about such stuff...."Primary Colors" should be in theaters soon. BTW, I saw some clips of that and Travolta is amazing...so Clintonlike. And Emma, could she look more like Hillary, I think not!! NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET (nan) "motionlessly on his thigh"--oh sure, maybe I might stop moving at a time like that.;-p Actually, my thoughts were: Damn that Flo, why did she have to show up!!! And Then that last line: "Great." It was his last coherent word. Yours too!!! Huh, Nan???? :-)))) 'Strip him, bathe him and bring him to my tent' ;-p Precisely!! (nan) Oooh I really liked that one Karen. Good choice! Nan, do you need a cold towel? a shower? more buckets? So glad you liked my excerpts. I think I'll have to check what other "great" books of literature are lurking in those boxes in my living room. Let me know what you think about the book. Whether you agree with me that CF would be great in that role. FIRST IDOL (Nan)I agree, I still have a little Shaun Cassidy thing going ;-p (Alicia) ROTFLMAO! :-P (nan) Okay ladies, spill it--I've confessed my shameful teeny bopper secret--your turn... Shaun Cassidy kind of dates you. How about Paul McCartney???? (I was a preteeny bopper, but had an older sister...when they first landed on our shores.) He was the one!! I found boxes of stuff about the Beatles and especially Paul in the basement of my parents' home when we sold it. I didn't throw it away. Then, there were the dead guys, like James Dean and Clark Gable, and the James Dean lookalike Christopher Jones (bet you never heard of him). I've never outgrown this kind of stuff!! But, as a m ture adult, my interest in a cutie like Colin would only manifest itself in watching one of his movies if I saw it listed in the TV Guide or such...until I landed here, that is!! Let's hear'm, ladies.

LEST YOU FORGET... Tomorrow, we begin our Valmont droolcussion. Dust off the old tape or run out to the video store.

PRINTING (Karen) maybe this belongs on your "Drool Help Topic" because nothing except the little response box ever appears when I hit Print. I'm talking about not just pictures, but text as well. Yes, I've heard of other people having the same problem. We were never really able to determine the cause. However, if you just want to print text the easiest thing would be to copy and paste onto a word document or notepad and print from there. Also, if there aren't any "new" messages and I want to get into the topic, I change the instruction to Last 7 Days, but it reloads back to the beginning of September, which means it takes forever with all those full-color pictures in there. Oooh, I hate when that happens! ;-) In order to avoid the long loading time we usually come in through "the back door". On your address/URL line change change the "browse" to read and change "all" to 51. That will get you into the topic but you'll only see a response box. From there you can back up using the redisplay. The problem with this is you have to remember the approximate number of the last response. NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET (nan) "motionlessly on his thigh"--oh sure, maybe I might stop moving at a time like that.;-p (Karen) Actually, my thoughts were: Damn that Flo, why did she have to show up!!! And Then that last line: "Great." It was his last coherent word. Yours too!!! Huh, Nan???? :-)))) Tis true--grunting in frustration I was! ;-D Flo needs a smack for ruining my fun ;-p (Karen) Nan, do you need a cold towel? If I were to wish for something, I don't believe a cold towel would be my first choice ;-) a shower? Alone? more buckets? One can never have too many buckets...speaking of which, where's Arami? So glad you liked my excerpts. I think I'll have to check what other "great" books of literature are lurking in those boxes in my living room. Oh please do--that was a splashy one! ;-D Let me know what you think about the book. Whether you agree with me that CF would be great in that role. I already agree. I'm just going to read the book for a cheap thrill. ;-p FIRST IDOL (Karen) How about Paul McCartney???? (snip) He was the one!! I found boxes of stuff about the Beatles and especially Paul in the basement of my parents' home when we sold it. I didn't throw it away. Good decision--valuable stuff. I understand the Paul McCartney attraction, though I can't say I ever felt that way about him myself. I never really drooled over anyone that was too popular (Elvis, The Beatles, David Cassidy--seems a sacrilege to include DC in that list, but he was enormously popular at one time). Shaun was only a little famous and for a very short time. I like the quasi-popular treasures, hence my devotion to Mr. Sexy Pants. ;-) Then, there were the dead guys, like James Dean and Clark Gable, and the James Dean lookalike Christopher Jones (bet you never heard of him). Well, you've got me with Christopher Jones. ;-)

Shameful but true...at a time in life when I should have been idolizing Bobby Sherman or some such person, I had a bad crush on Jack Lord (of Hawaii 5-0 fame). Now that everything old is new again, that show is on in reruns on Family channel. And yes, I watched, and AAARGH! The show itself is embarrassingly bad, Mr. Lord's hair is embarrassingly bad, and his acting when tisn't wooden is just plain laughable. Will you guys ever allow me to come here again?

FIRST IDOLS Okay, this is gonna date me, too, I'm afraid - and I've already admitted this guilty pleasure to Nan - but my first love was Joe Namath. His "fu-manchu" moustache did for me what Shaun's white satin did for Nan. ;-) Embarassingly enough, I still get swoony whenever I see one of his Desinex ads on TV - now that's devotion!! Karen - Who's Christopher Jones? I'm stumped! BLACK & WHITE COLIN He's so devastingly beautiful - smooches to Nan and Renate for sharing such lovely photos - they actually made me whimper! TEP Did Colin's Geoffrey not make your heart ache?? Ralph was beautiful, but Colin's performance seemed even more brilliant to me the second time around. MISC. STUFF I'm still trying to track down the 1992 Wuthering Heights - Blockbuster must only have one copy and it's been out since it was released and my trusty local video store doesn't even carry it. Anyway, does Jonathan Firth have a substantial role? I read the book ages ago, but saw both the Timothy Dalton (sigh) and Laurence Olivier versions fairly recently, and still can't recall the character JF plays. Looking forward to our Valmont discussion tomorrow...I have to say he's pretty darn sexy from start to finish - whether he's composing letters, or dancing, or sweeping Meg up in his arms - yes, he earns his Mr. Sexy Pants moniker in this one!! ;-)

(Karen) Why can't the American media see what we see? They must be blind as bats. And yet his best new photos are in the American publications, vide Vogue and Movieline... I liked their reference to him as The Patient Englishman... Is this true that Hollywood is interested in him for the role of Sherlock Holmes? So they say. However, I reckon HE is not interested in that role. The book Rose by Smith sounds absolutely delightful! Couldn't someone scan the rest of those particularly juicy pages here ;-)? (Renate)did I mention that my middle name is Maria? No kidding! :-))) Really?... You don't say...;-) (Nan)The only scene with Samira is very tame--so tame it's dull. It's the only sex scene I recall in which Colin is seen in the missionary position... Boooooriiiiiiiing! In order to avoid the long loading time we usually come in through "the back door". On your address/URL line change change the "browse" to read and change "all" to 51... Or try this: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/51/new it will also show new (unread) posts - then you can "redisplay" back to whatever number you wish. (Nan)One can never have too many buckets...speaking of which, where's Arami? Lurking, mostly. Avoiding buckets...

Erections, anyone? We had to take this thread off the P&P board to keep our PG-13 status. Nan, I hope you don't mind my exporting it here. Please accept my apologies if I'm imposing, and get rid of it -- or pass it on again! Please don't respond at Pemberley, anybody. Our teacher friends thank you. Have fun. . Firth/ Darcy categories - Jane 5 11:34:18 10/25/97 (20) More suggestions - Heide 16:59:58 10/26/97 (0) Scenes - Dave 01:37:29 10/26/97 (2) Ah, yes! - Katherine 22:50:32 10/26/97 (0) Hi Dave - Helen 03:43:04 10/26/97 (0) re:Darcy to punch out someones lights - Kitty 23:56:57 10/25/97 (0) It depends upon what you mean... - Patrick 22:40:07 10/25/97 (3) Possible explanation? - MB 17:16:53 10/27/97 (1) Davies' Words - Claudia 15:23:48 10/28/97 (0) As the stereotypes say... - Helen 03:37:05 10/26/97 (0) Darcy would like... - Alicia 20:08:43 10/25/97 (2) Not just sex... - Haru 21:24:42 10/26/97 (1) Sex - Bill K 15:35:00 10/28/97 (0) "The Look" scene - Shannon 18:59:17 10/25/97 (0) Scenes - Claudia 14:47:17 10/25/97 (0) The dog scene, perhaps? :D - Luisa 12:00:36 10/25/97 (5) The Dog Scene (2) - Andrea H 11:16:11 10/26/97 (4) Not un-Austen - Amy 09:32:52 10/27/97 (2) Puppy Scene in Emma? - Trina 10:44:12 10/28/97 (0) Jane Austen heroine plays with dog in book.... - The Mysterious H.C. 13:48:03 10/27/97 (0) Critics, schmitics! (or whatever) ;-) (Nfm) - Luisa 12:45:53 10/26/97 (0)

Sorry. That was really stupid. Those links won't work at all. I don't know what I was thinking.

Ooh Amy, I was just about to get all excited about that too...;-p

Ooh Amy, I was just about to hit those links...bummer, I was looking forward to some good erection stories too;-p

Well that was weird...the first time it didn't work, so I decided to change my wording and try again and then both of them showed up. Bizarre. See, even the software got all excited about the erections...

Ooh Amy, I was just about to hit those links...bummer, I was looking forward to some good erection stories too;-p

Getting stranger and stranger--I did not submit that last one. ;-(

Good. Glad you don't mind. This should work: Firth/ Darcy categories - Jane 5 11:34:18 10/25/97 (20) More suggestions - Heide 16:59:58 10/26/97 (0) Scenes - Dave 01:37:29 10/26/97 (2) Ah, yes! - Katherine 22:50:32 10/26/97 (0) Hi Dave - Helen 03:43:04 10/26/97 (0) re:Darcy to punch out someones lights - Kitty 23:56:57 10/25/97 (0) It depends upon what you mean... - Patrick 22:40:07 10/25/97 (3) Possible explanation? - MB 17:16:53 10/27/97 (1) Davies' Words - Claudia 15:23:48 10/28/97 (0) As the stereotypes say... - Helen 03:37:05 10/26/97 (0) Darcy would like... - Alicia 20:08:43 10/25/97 (2) Not just sex... - Haru 21:24:42 10/26/97 (1) Sex - Bill K 15:35:00 10/28/97 (0) "The Look" scene - Shannon 18:59:17 10/25/97 (0) Scenes - Claudia 14:47:17 10/25/97 (0) The dog scene, perhaps? :D - Luisa 12:00:36 10/25/97 (5) The Dog Scene (2) - Andrea H 11:16:11 10/26/97 (4) Not un-Austen - Amy 09:32:52 10/27/97 (2) Puppy Scene in Emma? - Trina 10:44:12 10/28/97 (0) Jane Austen heroine plays with dog in book.... - The Mysterious H.C. 13:48:03 10/27/97 (0) Critics, schmitics! (or whatever) ;-) (Nfm) - Luisa 12:45:53 10/26/97 (0)

BROODING BLONDES I think I may have found a brooding blonde. I just saw "A Room with a View" and Julian Sands seemed to be brooding quite a bit. I really like this movie. It's got 3 of the most good-looking Brits: Julian Sands, Rupert Graves, and Daniel Day Lewis. If only Colin Firth were in it!

FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO Lack of time is turning me into a lurker, but I must say that I have just got the video of FP. I normally find that I prefer watching movies as videos, and this is no exception. So much that I missed! Perfectly charming, funny and very well acted. Lots of favourite scenes but I have to mention the scene in the car when he smiles at Sarah. Not a half smile, not a broad grin, just a lovely warm smile, which I haven't seen before in any of his movies. Worth the �14.99 for that alone!

Oh, my!! Did I cause that thread to be thrown out of RofP? All I did was give a more precise explanation to answer Patrick's and quote Davies, who used the word "er*****n", which is how I tried to delicately put it. I was having some hesitation about that thread from the day it appeared, but everyone was getting on a roll. Gosh, I'm really sorry. Couldn't they have just deleted my post? Tell Amy I'll really try to be more careful over there in the future. My apologies.

Okay ladies...today we talk about... VALMONT Go to it ;-.)

TEP (Marilyn) Did Colin's Geoffrey not make your heart ache?? Ralph was beautiful, but Colin's performance seemed even more brilliant to me the second time around. Maybe, I'll have to give this another try, probably on a Tuesday night when rentals are 99 cents! I am on record (and I shall not back off) of not liking this movie, thinking it was way, way, way overrated, and RF does absolutely nothing for me. I look at him and see a lizard. yuck! And then, the role that CF played. Fantasy, pure and simple. That anyone would cheat on him and with a lizardy person like RF???? Pure fantasy!!! NOT IN YOUR THEATERS YET (Arami) The book Rose by Smith sounds absolutely delightful! Couldn't someone scan the rest of those particularly juicy pages here ;-)? Just so you guys don't think that Rose is some kind of cheap Harlequin romance, here is Time's review from June 3, 1997 (reprinted without permission). Since most of us got here via P&P, I would think this review (which, for some reason, overlooks a droolable bathing scene, naked clog-clad kick boxers--good alliteration--or yarn dancing) would be intriguing enough!! "It is no surprise that Martin Cruz Smith, author of the Soviet-era Russia cop novel Gorky Park, has the most interesting and richly textured crime story of the season. What is unexpected about Rose is its setting: not the disorder of present-day Russia but the rigidly stratified society of a Welsh coal-mining town toward the end of the 19th century. As must be true in a period thriller, the setting drives the plot and makes the crime--in this case, the disappearance and presumed mur er of a young and idealistic clergyman--seem inevitable. As Smith tells it, the town of Wigan is a place of impacted resentments on the part of the miners and supercilious contempt on the part of the clan that owns the mine workings, ruled by a righteous and merciless cleric, Bishop Hannay. Into this nexus of bitterness and coal dust comes Jonathan Blair, a penniless, malarial and more than slightly gin-sodden African explorer. Blair, who was born in Wigan, would rather be anywhere else, but the wealth bishop, whose hobby is African exploration--this is the era of Burton, Speke and the Mountains of the Moon--has promised Blair a place on his next expedition if he finds the missing clergyman, who is also the fianc� of the bishop's daughter. It won't escape the notice of a modern reader that this overabundance of plot is appropriate to a Victorian novel, not merely to a tale set in Victorian times. So is the central puzzle, which involves not only the story of the naive young cleric but also the distinctly unusual relationship between snobbish Charlotte, the bishop's chilly daughter, and Rose, a lusty "pit girl," or woman miner. It should not be overlooked that Rose is the novel's title figure. Smith ending is not quite a hanky dampener, but it does bend a hard tale of murder and mine disaster a long way toward the never-never of historical romance. BTW, we shouldn't be too mad at poor ol' Flo. She was the one who brought Blair home so that he could be ministered to by our little Rose. I think Flo may have even drawn the water. But Blair undressed himself. Now, if I had been there, he wouldn't have had to do that himself. I could have lent a helping hand or two!!! See how perfect I would be for Wardrobe Mistress...me and articles of clothing--on or off, makes little difference to me. Now I think we have a potential rival bath scene for KC's in Bull Durham (which I too have watched over and over and over again)--the best--until maybe this???? He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip Wrong direction, dear!! Do you need glasses??? ...Blair felt himself subside into uncomplicated pain. Who else could do justice to this one?? Femme Fatale's near out-of-body experience would do nicely here. FIRST IDOL (nan) Well, you've got me with Christopher Jones ;-) (Marilyn) Who's Christopher Jones? I'm stumped! I knew that would stump you!!! I love it, a mystery man. (nan) I never really drooled over anyone that was too popular If you've never heard of him, then I guess he would meet your criteria. BTW, I do remember David Cassidy, but he never did anything for me...sort of reminded me of Davy Jones (no relation to my mystery man above). Oh, I got another one: Dean Martin, Jr. of Dino, Desi and Billy fame. Oh, that Dino, he was such a cute boy. I can't even remember when I last thought about these people. BROODING BLONDES (Alicia) I think I may have found a brooding blonde. I just saw "A Room with a View" and Julian Sands seemed to be brooding quite a bit. Not bad!! Got me thinking about Charles Dance, particulary in "Jewel in the Crown" and "White Mischief." FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Lizbeth) I have just got the video of FP...So much that I missed! Perfectly charming, funny and very well acted. Lots of favourite scenes but I have to mention the scene in the car when he smiles at Sarah. Not a half smile, not a broad grin, just a lovely warm smile, which I haven't seen before in any of his movies. Worth the �14.99 for that alone! This is torture!! Please make them stop, Nan!! Not only have you seen the movie on the big screen, now you have a video. This is, I repeat, not fair and and don't say that ATA makes up for it. Not the same; it was such a bad movie. This is torture!! POST-LYSOL TREATMENT (Claudia) Oh, my!! Did I cause that thread to be thrown out of RofP? All I did was give a more precise explanation to answer Patrick's and quote Davies, who used the word "er*****n", which is how I tried to delicately put it. I was having some hesitation about that thread from the day it appeared, but everyone was getting on a roll. Gosh, I'm really sorry. I haven't been posting on the P&P board because I've been preoccupied with the Library reading of Possession and who has the time. However, I saw the first post by Jane5 and thought that this could be fun. Then I read the posts and thought, have these people no imagination and then I realized some were missing. I am looking forward to reading the "deleted" posts. Thanks, Amy, for making them available to us!!! Don't be sorry, Claudia, there's way too much of that going on over there. VALMONT Just a little drool for now--more later!! Can I be his pen pal???? Huh, pleez!! Write me a letter, any time, any place!!!

Claudia, actually it was the direct reference to having an erection that Myretta and I felt put the thread over the PG limit, but don't feel bad about it. We used to have such lovely daggy talks in the early days that I rather long for them sometimes, but we don't want to get put on the NetNanny lists. Kathleen (Kaf's) whole domain -- including our chat room in the early days -- was blocked by SurfWatch for a time because of some of the Banderas material, and so we try real hard not to give the sex police any shred of ammunition. Anyway, your post may have put it over the top, but the thread, as a whole, was just itching to go that way. But, Karen, nothing was missing from the thread until last night at the moment I put the links over here instead.

FROZEN PEAS (Renate) Playing with food again? :-)) (Karen) Do I have my choice as what I want to play with? ;-D :-) Such as? A QUESTION OF POSITION Is this different from the naked people being hunted dream scene at the beginning? No, I meant that scene. Sorry, I apparently mixed it up. I don't owe the tape, and cannot check. (Renate) Explicit noise to hear outside of the house. * What explicit noise? (in synch) ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ough - ough - oooouuoohh aaaaaaahhhhhhh I haven't received my own personal copy of The Advocate yet, otherwise, I'd just do a FF. I'd love to do a bit of FF myself :-)). FIRST IDOL (Nan) ..... I like the quasi-popular treasures, Oh, yes. It's fun to make discoveries - spot the future star before the mass audience does. And then you sit there, lean back to cover your exitement, nod calmly, and say in a low voice with a weary expression: "Remember what I recommended 3 years ago, when we watched ................ together? You laughed about my Internet addiction? You have seen him before" "No, never!" "You did. The English Patient, Fever Pitch, A Thousand Acres..." "????" Ahhhh - I am waiting for that moment...... :-)) MOVIELINE (Arami) ...... I liked their reference to him as The Patient Englishman... Loved that, too. We should all mail to Movieline for a 'thank you'. (Renate)did I mention that my middle name is Maria? No kidding! :-))) Really?... You don't say...;-) Envious? :-)=) (Nan)The only scene with Samira is very tame--so tame it's dull. (Arami) It's the only sex scene I recall in which Colin is seen in the missionary position... Boooooriiiiiiiing! Samira is supposed to be a pagan, hence the missionary .... FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO Not a half smile, not a broad grin, just a lovely warm smile, which I haven't seen before in any of his movies. Can't wait - can't wait ...to see it again ......... I have ordered it, but it will take some days..... While I write this I watch "The Prophecy" on TV. Scary film, with Christopher Walken as Archangel Gabriel and Eric Stoltz as Simon - it draws me in. Anyone here seen this strange movie?

MISC. STUFF (Marilyn)I'm still trying to track down the 1992 Wuthering Heights - Blockbuster must only have one copy and it's been out since it was released and my trusty local video store doesn't even carry it. Anyway, does Jonathan Firth have a substantial role? I read the book ages ago, but saw both the Timothy Dalton (sigh) and Laurence Olivier versions fairly recently, and still can't recall the character JF plays. No kidding! JF was in Wuthering Heights? I taped it and it's been ages since I've seen it. I'm guessing that JF plays Hareton Earnshaw, Hindley and France's only son. He becomes Heathcliff's servant later. But I'm going to have to watch it again to make sure.

(Amy) Good. Glad you don't mind. Mind? Certainly not. In fact, I encourage it. Anyone who starts out a post with "Erections anyone?" has my full cooperation ;-) BROODING BLONDES (Alicia) I think I may have found a brooding blonde. I just saw "A Room with a View" and Julian Sands seemed to be brooding quite a bit. Oooh, good one Alicia--that's a brooder if ever I saw one. I really like this movie. It's got 3 of the most good-looking Brits: Julian Sands, Rupert Graves, and Daniel Day Lewis. If only Colin Firth were in it! I haven't seen it in a few years but I remember liking it very much. Handsome men with lovely accents, beautiful scenery, operatic score...you're right, the only thing it's missing is Colin. FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Bethan) Lack of time is turning me into a lurker :-( FP. Lots of favourite scenes but I have to mention the scene in the car when he smiles at Sarah. Not a half smile, not a broad grin, just a lovely warm smile, which I haven't seen before in any of his movies. Worth the �14.99 for that alone! I'm jealous... and counting the days until I can get my greedy hands on it.;-) I'm relying on the generosity of those who have seen it to give me more juicy tidbits...please ;-} TEP (Marilyn) Did Colin's Geoffrey not make your heart ache?? (Karen) I am on record (and I shall not back off) of not liking this movie, thinking it was way, way, way overrated Unfortunately that happens to me as well (I still don't understand the Forrest Gump thing) but I really did like this movie. It might have been too long perhaps and I was concentrating more on Colin than the rest of the cast, but I liked the feel (whatever that means). However, I do agree that it wasn't the masterpiece everyone kept talking about. and RF does absolutely nothing for me. I look at him and see a lizard. yuck! LOL but I do have to disagree with you there. He's not Colin, but he does me just fine (it's the eyes!) ;-) And then, the role that CF played. Fantasy, pure and simple. That anyone would cheat on him and with a lizardy person like RF???? Pure fantasy!!! Aha! You didn't like it because Colin was misused...well that's okay then ;-p NOT IN YOUR THEATERS YET (Karen) Just so you guys don't think that Rose is some kind of cheap Harlequin romance, here is Time's review from June 3, 1997 If the bathtub scene was not enough of a reason to get the book, then that review nails it. Though I was kinda hoping for some more "cheap Harlequin" moments ;-p BTW, we shouldn't be too mad at poor ol' Flo. She was the one who brought Blair home so that he could be ministered to by our little Rose. She still needs a smack ;-p But Blair undressed himself. Now, if I had been there, he wouldn't have had to do that himself. I could have lent a helping hand or two!!! Hell, just use velcro like those clothes the Chippendales wear ;-) Now I think we have a potential rival bath scene for KC's in Bull Durham (which I too have watched over and over and over again)--the best--until maybe this???? Oooh, I dunno...that's a tough decision. You know how much I love that 60 minute man thing...We're back to that choice again: Kevin or Colin, Kevin or Colin. Then again, we could just go with Marilyn's suggestion--get a bigger tub! ;-p "He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip" (Karen)Wrong direction, dear!! Do you need glasses??? Oh I hope not ;-p FIRST IDOL (nan) I never really drooled over anyone that was too popular (Karen) If you've never heard of him, then I guess he would meet your criteria. Very likely. Know anywhere I can see a picture? BTW, I do remember David Cassidy, but he never did anything for me...sort of reminded me of Davy Jones (no relation to my mystery man above). He never did anything for me either. When I was 12 they had to be blonde ;-) Oh, I got another one: Dean Martin, Jr. of Dino, Desi and Billy fame. Oh, that Dino, he was such a cute boy. I can't even remember when I last thought about these people. A little bit of nostalgia is pleasant every now and then. Now Dino, there's a handsome blonde one, poor fellow. Wasn't he married to Dorothy Hamill? FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Bethan) I have just got the video of FP... (Karen) This is torture!! Please make them stop, Nan!! Don't look at me, the more they talk about it the easier it will be to bear the wait ;-) (But it is unfair ;-p) VALMONT Just a little drool for now--more later!! Can I be his pen pal???? Huh, pleez!! Line forms to the right... Write me a letter, any time, any place!!! That's okay Colin, keep writing...just ignore me ;-p THE "E" THREAD (Claudia) Oh, my!! Did I cause that thread to be thrown out of RofP? (Amy) We used to have such lovely daggy talks in the early days that I rather long for them sometimes Well you're certainly welcome to let loose here when the mood strikes you. Anyway, your post may have put it over the top, but the thread, as a whole, was just itching to go that way. Yes Claudia, don't worry about it...happens. FROZEN PEAS (Renate) Playing with food again? :-)) (Karen) Do I have my choice as what I want to play with? ;-D (Renate) :-) Such as Oh I ain't touchin' this one...;-p A QUESTION OF POSITION (Renate) (in synch) ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ough - ough - oooouuoohh aaaaaaahhhhhhh LMAO!! ;-D FIRST IDOL (Nan) ..... I like the quasi-popular treasures, (Renate) Oh, yes. It's fun to make discoveries - spot the future star before the mass audience does. And then you sit there, lean back to cover your exitement, nod calmly...(snip) You have seen him before" "No, never!" "You did. The English Patient, Fever Pitch, A Thousand Acres..." "????" Ahhhh - I am waiting for that moment...... :-)) You know, in a way I hope that never happens. I usually lose interest the moment someone becomes too popular. I thought Brad Pitt was beautiful until he became BRAD PITT. I guess it's also good that Colin doesn't seem to have any interest in being so very famous, so perhaps this one will last a good long time. MOVIELINE (Arami) ...... I liked their reference to him as The Patient Englishman... (Renate) Loved that, too. We should all mail to Movieline for a 'thank you'. I rather like that idea. Wonder if they have a website. (Nan)The only scene with Samira is very tame--so tame it's dull. (Arami) It's the only sex scene I recall in which Colin is seen in the missionary position...Boooooriiiiiiiing! (Renate) Samira is supposed to be a pagan, hence the missionary .... ;-.D I'm rollin' over here...;-) As far as the missionary position--I thought it was a nice change of pace considering he's always upright (no pun intended). It's the scene which I find dull. There's just nothing happening there...nothing at all. THE PROPHECY (Renate) While I write this I watch "The Prophecy" on TV. Scary film, with Christopher Walken as Archangel Gabriel and Eric Stoltz as Simon - it draws me in. Anyone here seen this strange movie? No but it sounds like something I'd enjoy. Do tell...

FIRST IDOL (Renate) Oh, yes. It's fun to make discoveries - spot the future star before the mass audience does. And then you sit there, lean back to cover your exitement, nod calmly...(snip) You have seen him before" "No, never!" "You did. The English Patient, Fever Pitch, A Thousand Acres..." "????" Ahhhh - I am waiting for that moment...... :-)) (Nan)You know, in a way I hope that never happens. I usually lose interest the moment someone becomes too popular. I thought Brad Pitt was beautiful until he became BRAD PITT. I guess it's also good that Colin doesn't seem to have any interest in being so very famous, so perhaps this one will last a good long time. I know what you mean, Nan. I also lose interest in someone when he becomes too popular. Funny that you mention Brad Pitt. I thought he was the best looking thing, esp. in "A River Runs Through It." But now he's become such a public figure and actors seem to get less attractive when they just get too much overexposure. That's why I don't talk much about Colin Firth to my friends. I don't want him to be abducted by the public and transformed into something else. I want to keep him to myself as much as possible. (My, I'm selfish!) ;-)

(Arami) It's the only sex scene I recall in which Colin is seen in the missionary position...Boooooriiiiiiiing! (Renate) Samira is supposed to be a pagan, hence the missionary .... (Nan) As far as the missionary position--I thought it was a nice change of pace considering he's always upright (no pun intended). Yeah, right... you guys are SO BAD! Okay, who knows the answer to this one: Which movie is this dialogue from (it's from a sound file)? CF: Why did you come? What do you think you'll find here? Girl: That you love me. CF: Do you want me to lie to you? Girl: ....... Yes. This is so well done, I just have to see the movie. I've been practicing saying yes like she does; it's wonderful. Oh, and I'll keep that NetNanny thing in mind for RofP.

Okay since you're all too shy ;-p (and I can't sleep), I'm going to plunge into Valmont... I remember seeing this on Bravo several years ago (well before I saw P&P2) and I thought "that Firth guy is mighty cute". Yes, cute. I wouldn't really describe him that way now, but in Valmont he is devilishly cute. I particularly like the first time we see him (at the opera) when he asks AB "How old did you say she was?" mumbling a little with the one-eyed squint. Delightful! Another thing I noticed this time around is that he is, like Mrs. Fezziwig, "one vast substantial smile". After P&P2, where you don't even know he has teeth until after the wedding, this is really charming. As Marilyn would say "edible" ;-.D Now I'm going to say something not pleasant here but I can't help it. IMO, not only was Meg Tilly dreadfully miscast but she's just...well...wrong somehow. She certainly has that naive sweetness thing down, but there is something about her diction that is not very reflective of the period. Also, she always looks like she just woke up.Bad Nan! I thought Michelle Pfeiffer was a much better choice (in DL). And no, this opinion has nothing to do with my horrible jealousy over the r past relationship ;-.p For Renate and Arami--I still think his hair (after he comes out of the water) looks like a big jellyfish LOL! ;-D However, I was comforted by the appearance of yet another wet shirt. Poor Megan is missing this conversation :-.( Is it me or does MT's character do a complete 180 in 2 seconds flat? (Not that I blame her, mind you) One minute she's saying "No, no" and the next she's hopping onto his saddle (oh baby!). All he had to say was "You're a brilliant archer" and bang, her demeanor changed instantly. Interesting pick up line, don't you think? ;-.p A few great Colin lines: -"Would that make you jealous?" (with the most adorable hopeful grin) -"Anything you want". (YUM!!) -"You lost your bet" (CF) "No" (AB) "Yesss" (gleefully--too delicious!) A few random thoughts: -His face is as cute as a button (all youthful exhuberance). -The "walk" gets better and better (particularly when he walks away from MT after she reads the accusatory letter to him). -In the following scene, when he sees Cecile in the carriage--I love that little tolerant smile he gives after AB says "Look who I brought with me". -Do you think Fairuza Balk had a butt-double? ;-.p -He is just too desirable when he is brooding (after AB refuses to honor the bet) I can't take it! Poor Colin needs some lovin' ;-.D AB's knees in the tub scene: I finally noticed it Renate! It is a little distracting. It starts with the garment covering her left knee, then her right, then both, etc...but frankly I was more concerned with looking at CF--surprise surprise ;-.p And here you go... Okay ladies...your turn ;-.)

(Claudia) Okay, who knows the answer to this one: Which movie is this dialogue from (it's from a sound file)? CF: Why did you come? What do you think you'll find here? Girl: That you love me. CF: Do you want me to lie to you? Girl: ....... Yes. Valmont! Go get it and join the discussion. Make haste! ;-D

Since my last post is 188 messages ago I have to appologize for neglecting my drooling duties. After being away for a holiday of two weeks I try to conquer the floods and fountains of drool on the Spring. Thanks to Nan and Renate for scaning all those gorgeous pictures. FEVER PITCH Yesterday was my lucky day because FP was shown in my part of Germany. It's a funny movie and Colin has so many lovely scenes in it, e.g, his reaction to Sarah's invitation and sleeping on the bench in the park. I even like Colin's beard in this movie and hope that I'll get the video soon. A question to the experts: during the decisive last Arsenal game Sarah's girlfriend switches the channels and you see a guy whom I suspect to be the one who won the BAFTA instead of Colin. Am I right or wrong? FIRST IDOLS (LorieS) Shameful but true...at a time in life when I should have been idolizing Bobby Sherman or some such person, I had a bad crush on Jack Lord (of Hawaii 5-0 fame)...(snip) Lorie, I'm so happy that I'm not alone with this problem. Today I really don't know what attracted me! But things are getting worse. JL is the reason for a creepy experience with CF because my first thought after seeing the picture in USA Today, May 19, 1996 was: there he looks like... I don't dare to finish the sentence. (I guess the hair-style is the crucial point.) All we can say is that our taste has improved since then! VALMONT To describe Colin's performance in this movie I have to borrow Nan's cute and Marilyn's edible . I prefer Forman's lighter version of Dangerous Liasons. Valmont is lavish of colors, landscape, costumes but what is the story all about? About Meg Tilly (Nan) One minute she's saying "No, no" and the next she's hopping onto his saddle (oh baby!). Yes, exactly my thoughts! Colin's hair and wig Does anyone know what they did with his hair? During the opera scene in Mme de M.'s box his hair looks smooth but in the following scene outside the box his hair looks curly and this gives him a very boyish look. In the pond scene he enters the boot with curly hair and has a very strange hair style during his talk with Mme. de T. To me it looks as if longer hair was connected with his own hair but it was not done well enough. You can see that after his jump into the pond! Renate and Arami discussed this p int some time ago. Pride and Prejudice Which member of the P&P team was so fond of Valmont that he included the pond, the bath-tub, the candle and the ring? My guess is Andrew Davies. Favourite scene CF: Why did you come? What do you think you'll find here? Girl: That you love me. CF: Do you want me to lie to you? Girl: ....... Yes. I just had to repeat this dialogue, because this is my favourite scene, starting with Valmont lying on the bed and ending with Valmont lying in the bed.

FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Nan) I'm jealous... and counting the days until I can get my greedy hands on it.;-) Anybody know anything about when (notice I didn't say "if") we will get to see it here?? I did some on-line searching at a video site and didn't see it listed even in the "future" release category, which went through about Thanksgiving. TEP (Nan) LOL but I do have to disagree with you there. He's not Colin, but he does me just fine (it's the eyes!) ;-) What??? You like small, beady eyes??? Not for me. Give me big eyes that you could drown in, big pondlike eyes!!! How's that? ;-)) NOT IN YOUR THEATERS YET (Karen) Now I think we have a potential rival bath scene for KC's in Bull Durham (which I too have watched over and over and over again)--the best--until maybe this???? (Nan) Oooh, I dunno...that's a tough decision. You know how much I love that 60 minute man thing...We're back to that choice again: Kevin or Colin, Kevin or Colin. Then again, we could just go with Marilyn's suggestion--get a bigger tub! ;-p Splish, splash...and out go those candles!! "He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip" (Karen)Wrong direction, dear!! Do you need glasses??? (Nan) Oh I hope not ;-p Her, not him. (Nan) Though I was kinda hoping for some more "cheap Harlequin" moments ;-p Your wish has been answered. My poor fingers have been busy (no scanner for me) and I couldn't be that heartless to leave you hanging there, on the edge of the bathtub wondering when and if Lazarus would rise from the dead again!! But it's going to be on the installment method. ROSE, PART II He pounded her door to b heard over the downpour. When Rose finally opened, he hobbled through and leaned against the jamb, resting his weight on one leg....Her hair was wild, spilling from a comb. Skin olive from coal dust...There was no sign of her friend Flo. "I told you not t'come back," she said. "I didn't want to, but ..." ***** Blair started when the sound of the rain on slate roofs accelerated to a drumming that drowned out his words, and without thinking he moved away from the open door. Without conscious intent, he found his hand on her waist. By itself, it drew her close. Rose could have hit him or driven her comb into his hand. Instead, she raised her mouth to his and gave him the taste of coal. ***** Through his hand he felt her heart, beating as hard as his. He couldn't hear the clock over the rain, but he saw the pendulum stirring by the grate. If he could have stepped back in time a mere minute and undone his touch, he would have. He couldn't. Besides, at a moment when her usual coquetry could have been expected and would have set him free, Rose seemed as astonished as he was. Or she was a better actor. Upstairs, her room had an unlit lamp, the shadow of a chest of drawers, a bed with cotton sheets as worn as cambric. In his arms she was more slender than he had expected, and paler. He caught a flash of her back in a long mirror. A year of deprivation made the slightest touch feverish, as in a reverie. Need was a form of insanity, he thought. He entered her with desperation, as a drowning man rises to the surface. She couldn't have been more than nineteen or twenty, but she waited for him with patience. He felt like a satyr upon her younger body, until, when he was firmly set, her face colored and he felt her legs around his back. What would the first drink of water in a year be like? What is water to the soul? What is astonishing about a primal act is the wholeness of the two bodies, as he was astonished to find himself in a bed and made complete by a mere pit girl. He was aware of her sooty hands and face, and of his hands and face growing as dark, but mostly of her eyes, which watched him with a glow of triumph. Sweat shone on her brow and welled around her eyes, making the lids darker, the whites brighter, avenues to gaze that drew him in. Should an ignorant girl be shallow? There was a depth to Rose he was unprepared for, but now had fallen into. More than fallen: plunged. Pain washed away. Or he had gone to a level where pain could not follow, a level that was all Rose, where he felt himself gladly disappear, then reappear, his whole body hard as a stone she clung to, then shudder and dissolve from stone to flesh. ******Afterwards.... Talk died for a second because they didn't know each other, he thought. They had nothing in common, had gone through no period of wooing, only found themselves impelled toward each other, like planets falling into a mutual gravitational pull. ****** "I haven't had all that many women, but all were different." "How?" "Touch, smell, taste, motion, heat." "God, you're a scientist. And what do I taste like?" He ran his hand over her flank and across her belly, then licked his palm. "Rose. A slightly burnt rose." She shifted to one elbow....She ran her hand up his leg and held him there. "I see you're alive again." Rose was no ordinary girl, Blair thought. He had brought a year's hunger to her bed and yet her passion matched his, as if a single night would have to feed the rest of her life, too. She had the abandon that willingly, consciously accepted damnation if she could find someone to be damned with. ***** Was it love? He thought not. Their bodies beat together with a ferocity more like anger, like crazed, sweating cymbals. He felt his eyes starting, the muscles of his shoulders straining as her nails traveled the groove of his back. White smeared the black, the sheets spread infinitely from side to side. Above the bed was ordinary space. Within her a deeper place. Not Wigan. A different land altogether. END OF PART II FIRST IDOL (Nan) Very likely. Know anywhere I can see a picture? Not a clue. I was surfing around yesterday and was kind of pleased to discover that he was in a movie last year (after about a 25 year absence); I'll have to rent it. Anyway, the best place to look for him is in the movie "Ryan's Daughter." He was the British soldier that Sarah Miles is in love with, of course, I liked him before that. Just picture James Dean in East of Eden...and you've got Christopher Jones. And, yes, Dean Martin, Jr. was married to Dorothy Hamill. I seem to remember he died in a plane crash. :-( (Nan) I thought Brad Pitt was beautiful until he became BRAD PITT. (Alicia) Funny that you mention Brad Pitt. I thought he was the best looking thing, esp. in "A River Runs Through It." Ya know why??? Because he was doing Robert Redford. With or without the looks, all you have to do is close you eyes (kind of hard to do) and listen. The lines, the intonation, everything, exactly the way Redford had said things in past movies. Understandable, I guess, since as director, he would have told Brad how to say things and what emotion to convey. I loved that movie!! But deep inside I kept thinking it was just a young Redford in the lead. FROZEN PEAS Let's just say "to be continued" when we move on to Femme Fatale. A QUESTION OF POSITION (Renate) (in synch) ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ough - ough - oooouuoohh aaaaaaahhhhhhh (Nan)LMAO!! ;-D Where's my tape!!! I'm calling Amazon today. How long can it take them. VALMONT (Nan) "that Firth guy is mighty cute". Yes, cute. I wouldn't really describe him that way now, but in Valmont he is devilishly cute. What's wrong with cute? Especially, devilishly cute!!! Not rugged enough?? I like the boyishly, good looking. I particularly like the first time we see him (at the opera) when he asks AB "How old did you say she was?" mumbling a little with the one-eyed squint. Delightful! Can this guy make adorable faces or what?? To me, a major drool factor. For Renate and Arami--I still think his hair (after he comes out of the water) looks like a big jellyfish LOL! ;-D Couldn't agree with you more, dear. As my mother always said, "pull back your hair so people can see your face." Wise lady. However, I was comforted by the appearance of yet another wet shirt. Who wasn't?? Love the wet look, although my only complaint about the costumes, except for the frilliness--which couldn't be helped given the period--is that the waistcoat is toooooo long in front!!! ;-o All he had to say was "You're a brilliant archer" and bang, her demeanor changed instantly. Interesting pick up line, don't you think? ;-.p Hmmm I stopped thinking long ago. I loved that scene. Takes your breath away. Just swoosh down, pick me up, set me down in front of you in that saddle and we gallop off to a clearing in the woods---whoops, forgot the cheek to cheek archery instruction--and dance. A dream...and that woman was a nightmare...how dare she ruin the moment by reading that letter. Oh well, he strode away quite nicely, almost as good as when he leaves AB's toilette and the glass in the door shatters!! when he sees Cecile in the carriage--I love that little tolerant smile he gives after AB says "Look who I brought with me". I would characterize it as amused. But then, AB asks "would like to join us?" and his look is even better--sort of a "no way, Jose, I'm not playing your game look!!! He is just too desirable when he is brooding (after AB refuses to honor the bet) I can't take it! Poor Colin needs some lovin' ;-.D I know they are both supposed to be manipulative and they both get their comeuppance (just look at how dejected AB looks at the funeral and the wedding), but I just felt so sorry for him. Like he didn't deserve it and she was wicked, wicked!! Obviously they had a history and he dumped her and she was getting back at him...but she was an idiot, not being able to see that he had changed for the good and that he loved her (she obviously loved him). What a dummy!! AB's knees in the tub scene: I finally noticed it Renate! It is a little distracting. It starts with the garment covering her left knee, then her right, then both, etc. What about the knees? Am I going to have to review that scene again? What should I be looking for? (Sylvia) To me it looks as if longer hair was connected with his own hair but it was not done well enough. (snip) Arami discussed this point some time ago. I thought so too. Like he went to "Hair Extensions, Inc." But how come no one has mentioned yet that all of a sudden, this guy has big thatch of dark hair on his chest!!! It hasn't been around in most of the other movies. Don't tell me that they are doing a wax job on him!! I can understand the need to wax (almost wrote whack) Alec Baldwin and a few others, but CF in his other movies?? Some favorite lines: -Good night, my little monk. -It had to do with your husband's nose -Did I say to stop writing? So go on. -Are you deaf? so keep writing -Do you have a better way to say it...so? -M. de Valmont is quite a writer, isn't he? BTW: What is the dumbest question in the movie? Answer at 10. QUESTION TO SYLVIA Hi!! Since you mentioned you are in Germany, I was just wondering about Til Schweiger (forgive the spelling)? Is it true that he is considered Germany's answer to Tom Cruise? The reason I ask is that I just saw his new movie called "Knocking on Heaven's Door" and he was there to answer questions since he was also the producer. Personally, I didn't see any resemblance except in that they are both kind of stocky. Is it the kind of roles he is in? Why do they say that?

I'm over here with the experienced droolers and feel *way* over my head in this room, but you did put a link from 59 .... then you put up a pix from Valmont (give him credit - with all that in front of him he looks in her eyes! "That's a Gentleman for you!" Now I will have to scratch around this backwater and see if I can find a copy of V to beg, borrow or steal (only till I can make a copy) and admire his ruffles and flourishes. I have been forwarned that he meets a less than happy outcome, but we ust suffer for art's sake and plunge in with mega-boxes of tissues ever at the ready for whatever moisture emanates from wherever. Please don't stone the really neophytic - you've been my sustenance for many months and I couldn't handle it =) My first idol was Lord Olivier (yes, I'm in 11 also) with minor lapses, he still was until....Marcia in Hawaii

When I should have watched Valmont I've been busy creating my Firth page (takes a minute to load): Who? IN FAVOUR OF DUBBING And yes, I found some time to watch Valmont - and it was a kind of subtle torture for me, again. Because, whatever I try (relax......... your are very calm...) I still cannot stand AB's drawl, and MT is not too pleasurable for my ears either. BUT! I never thought I would ever be happy about a German dubbed version. And since the translation was rather good, and Valmonts voice only a bit too dark, but ok, I have found a way how I can watch this film without getting aggressive. :-))

Again: Who?

:-)) Thank you, Nan, for converting the picture so beautifully! How do you like it?

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What is this all about? I accidently stumbled upon this site, do not ask me how, but what am I supposed to do? What is this whole thing about Colin Firth? What do you want me to say?

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what am I supposed to do? What is this whole thing about Colin Firth? What do you want me to say? Hi, Cassie! What do you mean - accidentally? Oh, never mind. The best thing you can do is NOT to ask "Who is Colin Firth?"... The second best thing is - DO ASK if you really don't know... And stay awhile, maybe you'll like it here. We're very glad of your company.

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(Arami) Hey, this thing's gone mad. It's repeating my Purple Colin message over and over. Spread the gospel - spread the gospel - spread ......... To all: PS to my new page: ( Who? ) The names are supposed to MOVE! It was created in MSIE, but now I have heard that with Netscape they don't move, and about 90% of the effect is gone. Would like to know what you experienced with your browsers. Thanks.

SYLVIA!! Where have you beeeen? We quite despaired of you. ;-p Since my last post is 188 messages ago I have to appologize for neglecting my drooling duties. After being away for a holiday of two weeks I try to conquer the floods and fountains Oh my! You have a lot to catch up on dear ;-) VALMONT (Sylvia) Does anyone know what they did with his hair? See...Sylvia thinks it looks like a big ol' jellyfish too ;-) To me it looks as if longer hair was connected with his own hair but it was not done well enough. You can see that after his jump into the pond! Renate and Arami discussed this point some time ago. Yes I think there is some strange combination of his hair and a lame wig that looks fine when it's dry, but kinda scary when it's wet...kind of like "Day of the Triffids" ;-p Favourite scene CF: Why did you come? What do you think you'll find here? Girl: That you love me. CF: Do you want me to lie to you? Girl: ....... Yes. (Sylvia)I just had to repeat this dialogue, because this is my favourite scene, starting with Valmont lying on the bed and ending with Valmont lying in the bed. LOL! Though I still think MT was miscast, I agree that her "yes" is really perfection. Then again it could just be that I wanted to be her in that scene...;-p FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Karen) Anybody know anything about when (notice I didn't say "if") we will get to see it here?? There was a rumor about Spring 98 :-( TEP (Nan)He's not Colin, but he does me just fine (it's the eyes!) ;-) (Karen) What??? You like small, beady eyes??? Not for me. Give me big eyes that you could drown in, big pondlike eyes!!! How's that? ;-)) Oh but the color Karen, the color! BTW, I never thought his eyes were beady. Nope, I'm afraid you won't be able to discourage my hormones on this one. He's not my first choice, but he's in the top 10. ;-) NOT IN YOUR THEATERS YET (Karen) "He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip" (Karen)Wrong direction, dear!! Do you need glasses??? (Nan) Oh I hope not ;-p (Karen)Her, not him. That's what I meant--if she needs glasses to notice then we're in trouble here ;-p (Nan) Though I was kinda hoping for some more "cheap Harlequin" moments ;-p (Karen) Your wish has been answered. (snip) A year of deprivation made the slightest touch feverish, as in a reverie. Need was a form of insanity, he thought. He entered her with desperation, as a drowning man rises to the surface. Well now...rising to the surface is good ;-D And you thought the last excerpt was steamier than that? ;-p What would the first drink of water in a year be like? What is water to the soul? What is astonishing about a primal act is the wholeness of the two bodies, as he was astonished to find himself in a bed and made complete by a mere pit girl. This is not the time to get analytical ;-p He was aware of her sooty hands and face, and of his hands and face growing as dark, but mostly of her eyes, which watched him with a glow of triumph. Good for her! There was a depth to Rose he was unprepared for, but now had fallen into. More than fallen: plunged. Hmmm...I'm wondering which way I should take that ;-p Pain washed away. Or he had gone to a level where pain could not follow, a level that was all Rose, where he felt himself gladly disappear, then reappear, his whole body hard as a stone she clung to, then shudder and dissolve from stone to flesh. Oh, this is one of those out of body Femme Fatale moments! "I haven't had all that many women, but all were different." "How?" "Touch, smell, taste, motion, heat." "God, you're a scientist. And what do I taste like?" I'm getting antsy now--why are people compelled to ask those questions after sex... He ran his hand over her flank and across her belly, then licked his palm. "Rose. A slightly burnt rose." And he answers her no less! :-( Rose was no ordinary girl, Blair thought. He had brought a year's hunger to her bed and yet her passion matched his, as if a single night would have to feed the rest of her life, too. Well geez, whaddya expect after a year? ;-p Their bodies beat together with a ferocity more like anger, Okay, now this I can relate to... like crazed, sweating cymbals. Where oh where is my hockey player when I need him? ;-D Okay now, I really have to get this book now, just for that last line alone. Karen, did you like the rest of it? Or do you just want to give me the page numbers of all the good parts ;-p A QUESTION OF POSITION (Renate) (in synch) ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ough - ough - oooouuoohh aaaaaaahhhhhhh (Nan)LMAO!! ;-D (Karen) Where's my tape!!! I'm calling Amazon today. How long can it take them. They have a lot of nerve! Keeping you from the groans...;-p VALMONT (Nan) "that Firth guy is mighty cute". Yes, cute. I wouldn't really describe him that way now, but in Valmont he is devilishly cute. (Karen) What's wrong with cute? Especially, devilishly cute!!! Not rugged enough?? I like the boyishly, good looking. I think I'm over the boyishly cute thing (Shaun, etc.) and have moved on to "masculine" and sometimes even "brutish" (you listening Marilyn?) ;-p Can this guy make adorable faces or what?? To me, a major drool factor. I wonder how much of that is spontaneous and how much is the result of previous study? ;-) Love the wet look, although my only complaint about the costumes, except for the frilliness--which couldn't be helped given the period--is that the waistcoat is toooooo long in front!!! ;-o Absolutely true...how are we ever to settle the east/west question while he's wearing clothing like that? (Karen) Obviously they had a history and he dumped her and she was getting back at him...but she was an idiot, not being able to see that he had changed for the good and that he loved her (she obviously loved him). What a dummy!! I don't know if I'd call it love or even lust. Maybe obsession? The two seem determined to both possess and destroy eachother. I did think that AB was far meaner than CF (but I'm pretty biased). (Karen) What about the knees? Am I going to have to review that scene again? What should I be looking for? Oh nothing really juicy. Renate mentioned had some months ago that she found that scene very distracting because the clingy robe thingie that AB wears "moves" all by itself. One moment it's covering her right knee, then the left, then both...bad editing. Anyway, I hadn't really noticed it until this viewing. Like he went to "Hair Extensions, Inc." LOL!! ;-D But how come no one has mentioned yet that all of a sudden, this guy has big thatch of dark hair on his chest!!! Where? When? How? (I sound like Vinnie Barbarino) ;-) It hasn't been around in most of the other movies. Don't tell me that they are doing a wax job on him!! Eeeewww! I don't think so. I didn't notice anything other than the usual 10 Colin chest hairs. Do tell... Some favorite lines: -It had to do with your husband's nose Oooh, I forgot about that one. MAKING AN APPEARANCE (Marcia) I'm over here with the experienced droolers and feel *way* over my head in this room So there you are--glad you could join us. As long as you like Colin, you're not in over your head ;-) give him credit - with all that in front of him he looks in her eyes! "That's a Gentleman for you!" Oh I like the idea of his being a gentleman. I hadn't thought about it that way. I just assumed that he'd seen it so often that it didn't phase him ;-p Now I will have to scratch around this backwater and see if I can find a copy of V to beg, borrow or steal There's gotta be somewhere in Hawaii where you can scrounge up a copy. You really must see it, regardless of the unhappy end. He is just too charming for his own good. but we must suffer for art's sake and plunge in with mega-boxes of tissues ever at the ready for whatever moisture emanates from wherever. That was a good line Marcia--impressive drooling you've got going there pal ;-D SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE BEEN! (Renate) When I should have watched Valmont I've been busy creating my Firth page (snip) The names are supposed to MOVE! It was created in MSIE, but now I have heard that with Netscape they don't move, and about 90% of the effect is gone. Would like to know what you experienced with your browsers. Thanks. So that's what happened! When I viewed it at the office (Explorer) all the names were moving. BTW, I really liked how the white "Fitzwilliam Darcy" moved slower than everything else. Then I got home, looked again (in Netscape) and everything was stationery and flush left. :-( All this browser nonsense--they have a lot of nerve, screwing up your page like that! I could never warm up to Netscape and now I know why. I much prefer Explorer...it's only fault is that the html blink doesn't work. Anyway, I'm glad I got to see it the "right" way at the office. Looks good--I had no idea you were a closet geek. I'm impressed that you knew how to do this and that you found the time. Brava Signora! (Renate) Thank you, Nan, for converting the picture so beautifully! How do you like it? 'Twas a labor of love dearest (Colin. My scanner. Photoshop. It's been a great week!) He looks really good...if I had known you were working on a page I'd have gotten more creative. So, which photo of Colin would you like me to tackle next? :-) THE GHOST OF COUNT ALMASY REARS HIS UGLY HEAD Hey, this thing's gone mad. It's repeating my Purple Colin message over and over. I swear I have posted it only once. Same thing happened to me the other day. He just won't leave us alone. "I swear your honor, it was the software" ;-)

With freeze-frame at the ready, the largest non-projector TV made, and my bonus-sized Magnifying Glass, I am about to tackle the steps at Netherfield plus the pre-plunge stretch (from a distance) at the pond to check for evidence of shirttails or something more substantial. Your comments made me take notes, and since I still do not have Valmont to put on my Firth-sized TV, I shall peer even deeper into P&P2 than ever before. Will check out all of the "thingies" and left-for-right items if I can EVER tea my eyes away from his face! A report will by made as soon as I can stop looking....

Oooh, very nice, Renate. I really like "Who?"

Question to Sylvia (KarenR) Hi!! Since you mentioned you are in Germany, I was just wondering about Til Schweiger (forgive the spelling)? Is it true that he is considered Germany's answer to Tom Cruise? ... (snip) I'm afraid I'm of little help here. All I can remember having seen with Til Schweiger are some ads for his movies. This is no basis to decide the Tom Cruise question but a hint that he has not made an impression on me. But perhaps this is not TS's fault since my thoughts were occupied with someone else. We should pass this question to Renate. BTW, where are you Karen? Renate's homepage Go to it, Renate! I hope you can conquer the problem with Netscape. (Very selfish wish, because Netscape is the only browser I have.) In favour of dubbing (Renate) And yes, I found some time to watch Valmont ... (snip)... I never thought I would ever be happy about a German dubbed version...(snip) I'm very happy to hear that. I consoles me a little bit since I haven't seen the original version and I long to hear HIS VOICE speaking my favourite dialogue.

Delurked to post a long, long message and the server was down, so couldn't submit! Very frustrating! Repeat (shortened) version follows! (Nan)I guess it's good that Colin doesn't have an interest in being famous.. I really agree here. I like the fact that Colin continues to be unassuming and normal. He still hasn't moved from his Hackney flat and seems to avoid show biz-type publicity. The first comment I ever read about him was by Sue Birtwistle, the producer of P&P, (who must know him well), who said that he was "quiet, sweet and academic". I remember thinking "He looks like THAT and he's still NICE?!!" I don't think quiet means inarticulate - he expresses himself too well - but maybe he's not an obvious candidat for talkshows and show biz parties! A QUESTION OF POSITION The missing 15 minutes of The Advocate - perhapse they cut the court scenes - all that boring Latin! But I always assumed that it was the fourth position in the scene with the servant girl, which I must admit to never having seen on screen before! But then I'm a fan of old movies!! And don't ask me what's the fourth position - all that's needed is a little imagination!:-) FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO Marvellously cheerful opening, very well acted, good script, funny, very good on screen chemistry beyween Colin/Paul and Ruth/Sarah. Colin looks like an unshaven scruffy Darcy in jeans and baggy sweaters (from his own wardrobe?) He kisses very tentatively though - Sarah shows much more enthusiasm! But he's good at hugging and caressing! More next.. NOW WILL THIS POST?!!!

Just lovely, Renate, can't wait to see what you do on your home page next!! FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Nan) There was a rumor about Spring 98 :-( Don't frown. ATA will probably beat it to the video stores and then we can fast forward past all that crumby story stuff to the good parts.

SUCCESS!! TEP (Marilyn) Colin's performance is even more brilliant second time around It needs to be viewed on video. A very subtle performance. As ever he does a lot with very little material. Who? Very impressive Renate! I thought you'd been quiet this week! Hairy chest The hair on his chest seems to wax and wane, or wax and wax. Sometimes more luxuriantly! Serious stuff (Marcia) Your comments made me take notes Welcome to another serious student :-) Sometimes you have to tear your eyes away from his face - in the interests of scientific evaluation, of course! BAFTA winner Sylvia, well spotted. It is Robbie Coltrane in FP. An in-joke perhaps? Repeat performance Hello there Arami. Yes we do know that Purple Colin loads in seconds. Loads in seconds. Loads in..Hello there Arami.. FP the video More...he has a distinctive South London accent throughout (is there a N.London accent) which I like. He plays an English teacher (teaches American literature actually - Steinbeck et al) who also coaches soccer. Romantic comedy with soccer obsession at its core, but even if you're indifferent to soccer, you'll still enjoy it - WHEN you see it! Not an Oscar winner, but good value for money. Made for under 3 million dollars. Depends on charm rather than huge special effects.

VALMONT (Nan) I think there is some strange combination of his hair and a lame wig Oh, God, not another small budget production... the waistcoat is toooooo long in front! ...how are we ever to settle the east/west question while he's wearing clothing like that? Uh-huh, it's the raise the subject time again... all of a sudden, this guy has big thatch of dark hair on his chest!!! It's been there all the time - smaller and lighter in his twenties and now thickening as he approaches middle age. On occasions it's been dyed to match his darkened hair, e.g. as Darcy.(Lord, things they make me reveal... all in the name of art...) ROSE There was a depth to Rose he was unprepared for, but now had fallen into. More than fallen: plunged. (Nan)Hmmm...I'm wondering which way I should take that ;-p LOL! It must be a universal thing - to me it definitely has comical undertones... a valuable lesson how NOT to compose your passionate love scene musings... (Marcia) I am about to tackle the steps at Netherfield plus the pre-plunge stretch (from a distance) at the pond to check for evidence of shirttails or something more substantial. Don't forget the London street scenes (Darcy in search for Wickham) - most intriguing. Not only shirttails, but his winter coat, a small carriage and a pair of horses, I'd say... Renate will tell you their names, too. FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO The pic on the cover is somewhat weird: he was obviously told to make "loutish" faces and gestures - raised eyebrows, eyes almost popping out, wide open mouth as if yelling, clenched "yesss!" fist gesture... he is practically unrecognizable... another one for the chameleon collection.

Renate. I have MSIE, and it looks so cool. Really hot. I envy the work. Makes me want to stay up all night and make something bright.

Something's at Netherfield. Perhaps athletic underequipment? Thanks for the suggestion I check the London scenes...and not for the netherworld but rather for the Netherregions? Back to the video......!sigh! Suffer....Suffer...

BTW, may I claim a lap robe from one of his many carriages? Pleeeeeeeeeease?

i donno what to say can someone help me I am still new to this stuff:))))

SYLVIA!! Where have you beeeen? We quite despaired of you. ;-p Since my last post is 188 messages ago I have to appologize for neglecting my drooling duties. After being away for a holiday of two weeks I try to conquer the floods and fountains Oh my! You have a lot to catch up on dear ;-) VALMONT (Sylvia) Does anyone know what they did with his hair? See...Sylvia thinks it looks like a big ol' jellyfish too ;-) To me it looks as if longer hair was connected with his own hair but it was not done well enough. You can see that after his jump into the pond! Renate and Arami discussed this point some time ago. Yes I think there is some strange combination of his hair and a lame wig that looks fine when it's dry, but kinda scary when it's wet...kind of like "Day of the Triffids" ;-p Favourite scene CF: Why did you come? What do you think you'll find here? Girl: That you love me. CF: Do you want me to lie to you? Girl: ....... Yes. (Sylvia)I just had to repeat this dialogue, because this is my favourite scene, starting with Valmont lying on the bed and ending with Valmont lying in the bed. LOL! Though I still think MT was miscast, I agree that her "yes" is really perfection. Then again it could just be that I wanted to be her in that scene...;-p FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Karen) Anybody know anything about when (notice I didn't say "if") we will get to see it here?? There was a rumor about Spring 98 :-( TEP (Nan)He's not Colin, but he does me just fine (it's the eyes!) ;-) (Karen) What??? You like small, beady eyes??? Not for me. Give me big eyes that you could drown in, big pondlike eyes!!! How's that? ;-)) Oh but the color Karen, the color! BTW, I never thought his eyes were beady. Nope, I'm afraid you won't be able to discourage my hormones on this one. He's not my first choice, but he's in the top 10. ;-) NOT IN YOUR THEATERS YET (Karen) "He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip" (Karen)Wrong direction, dear!! Do you need glasses??? (Nan) Oh I hope not ;-p (Karen)Her, not him. That's what I meant--if she needs glasses to notice then we're in trouble here ;-p (Nan) Though I was kinda hoping for some more "cheap Harlequin" moments ;-p (Karen) Your wish has been answered. (snip) A year of deprivation made the slightest touch feverish, as in a reverie. Need was a form of insanity, he thought. He entered her with desperation, as a drowning man rises to the surface. Well now...rising to the surface is good ;-D And you thought the last excerpt was steamier than that? ;-p What would the first drink of water in a year be like? What is water to the soul? What is astonishing about a primal act is the wholeness of the two bodies, as he was astonished to find himself in a bed and made complete by a mere pit girl. This is not the time to get analytical ;-p He was aware of her sooty hands and face, and of his hands and face growing as dark, but mostly of her eyes, which watched him with a glow of triumph. Good for her! There was a depth to Rose he was unprepared for, but now had fallen into. More than fallen: plunged. Hmmm...I'm wondering which way I should take that ;-p Pain washed away. Or he had gone to a level where pain could not follow, a level that was all Rose, where he felt himself gladly disappear, then reappear, his whole body hard as a stone she clung to, then shudder and dissolve from stone to flesh. Oh, this is one of those out of body Femme Fatale moments! "I haven't had all that many women, but all were different." "How?" "Touch, smell, taste, motion, heat." "God, you're a scientist. And what do I taste like?" I'm getting antsy now--why are people compelled to ask those questions after sex... He ran his hand over her flank and across her belly, then licked his palm. "Rose. A slightly burnt rose." And he answers her no less! :-( Rose was no ordinary girl, Blair thought. He had brought a year's hunger to her bed and yet her passion matched his, as if a single night would have to feed the rest of her life, too. Well geez, whaddya expect after a year? ;-p Their bodies beat together with a ferocity more like anger, Okay, now this I can relate to... like crazed, sweating cymbals. Where oh where is my hockey player when I need him? ;-D Okay now, I really have to get this book now, just for that last line alone. Karen, did you like the rest of it? Or do you just want to give me the page numbers of all the good parts ;-p A QUESTION OF POSITION (Renate) (in synch) ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ough - ough - oooouuoohh aaaaaaahhhhhhh (Nan)LMAO!! ;-D (Karen) Where's my tape!!! I'm calling Amazon today. How long can it take them. They have a lot of nerve! Keeping you from the groans...;-p VALMONT (Nan) "that Firth guy is mighty cute". Yes, cute. I wouldn't really describe him that way now, but in Valmont he is devilishly cute. (Karen) What's wrong with cute? Especially, devilishly cute!!! Not rugged enough?? I like the boyishly, good looking. I think I'm over the boyishly cute thing (Shaun, etc.) and have moved on to "masculine" and sometimes even "brutish" (you listening Marilyn?) ;-p Can this guy make adorable faces or what?? To me, a major drool factor. I wonder how much of that is spontaneous and how much is the result of previous study? ;-) Love the wet look, although my only complaint about the costumes, except for the frilliness--which couldn't be helped given the period--is that the waistcoat is toooooo long in front!!! ;-o Absolutely true...how are we ever to settle the east/west question while he's wearing clothing like that? (Karen) Obviously they had a history and he dumped her and she was getting back at him...but she was an idiot, not being able to see that he had changed for the good and that he loved her (she obviously loved him). What a dummy!! I don't know if I'd call it love or even lust. Maybe obsession? The two seem determined to both possess and destroy eachother. I did think that AB was far meaner than CF (but I'm pretty biased). (Karen) What about the knees? Am I going to have to review that scene again? What should I be looking for? Oh nothing really juicy. Renate mentioned had some months ago that she found that scene very distracting because the clingy robe thingie that AB wears "moves" all by itself. One moment it's covering her right knee, then the left, then both...bad editing. Anyway, I hadn't really noticed it until this viewing. Like he went to "Hair Extensions, Inc." LOL!! ;-D But how come no one has mentioned yet that all of a sudden, this guy has big thatch of dark hair on his chest!!! Where? When? How? (I sound like Vinnie Barbarino) ;-) It hasn't been around in most of the other movies. Don't tell me that they are doing a wax job on him!! Eeeewww! I don't think so. I didn't notice anything other than the usual 10 Colin chest hairs. Do tell... Some favorite lines: -It had to do with your husband's nose Oooh, I forgot about that one. MAKING AN APPEARANCE (Marcia) I'm over here with the experienced droolers and feel *way* over my head in this room So there you are--glad you could join us. As long as you like Colin, you're not in over your head ;-) give him credit - with all that in front of him he looks in her eyes! "That's a Gentleman for you!" Oh I like the idea of his being a gentleman. I hadn't thought about it that way. I just assumed that he'd seen it so often that it didn't phase him ;-p Now I will have to scratch around this backwater and see if I can find a copy of V to beg, borrow or steal There's gotta be somewhere in Hawaii where you can scrounge up a copy. You really must see it, regardless of the unhappy end. He is just too charming for his own good. but we must suffer for art's sake and plunge in with mega-boxes of tissues ever at the ready for whatever moisture emanates from wherever. That was a good line Marcia--impressive drooling you've got going there pal ;-D SO THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE BEEN! (Renate) When I should have watched Valmont I've been busy creating my Firth page (snip) The names are supposed to MOVE! It was created in MSIE, but now I have heard that with Netscape they don't move, and about 90% of the effect is gone. Would like to know what you experienced with your browsers. Thanks. So that's what happened! When I viewed it at the office (Explorer) all the names were moving. BTW, I really liked how the white "Fitzwilliam Darcy" moved slower than everything else. Then I got home, looked again (in Netscape) and everything was stationery and flush left. :-( All this browser nonsense--they have a lot of nerve, screwing up your page like that! I could never warm up to Netscape and now I know why. I much prefer Explorer...it's only fault is that the html blink doesn't work. Anyway, I'm glad I got to see it the "right" way at the office. Looks good--I had no idea you were a closet geek. I'm impressed that you knew how to do this and that you found the time. Brava Signora! (Renate) Thank you, Nan, for converting the picture so beautifully! How do you like it? 'Twas a labor of love dearest (Colin. My scanner. Photoshop. It's been a great week!) He looks really good...if I had known you were working on a page I'd have gotten more creative. So, which photo of Colin would you like me to tackle next? :-) THE GHOST OF COUNT ALMASY REARS HIS UGLY HEAD Hey, this thing's gone mad. It's repeating my Purple Colin message over and over. I swear I have posted it only once. Same thing happened to me the other day. He just won't leave us alone. "I swear your honor, it was the software" ;-)

Okay, the Almasy Ghost is really starting to tick me off. I absolutely did not post Response #427. I sat down, turned everything on and there is was...again! Grrrrr ;-(

FEVER PITCH - different versions I'm in a hurry but I have to let you know: Just bought my FP tape today - and this is an edition with a "special 2 sided sleeve" featuring the "boy's side" (with Colin on the cover - and if you think the picture of the poster or the Australian flyer was strange, look at this), and the "girl's side" (with Ruth Gemmell, strange, too.). There were four copies in the shop, and each one somehow different. It took three of us to figure it out. There are: - a widescreen version with a cover "The boy's side" - a normal version with the same cover - a widescreen version with a cover "The girl's side" - a normal version with the same cover So take care that you buy the right version!

MAGNIFYING GLASS (Marcia) I am about to tackle the steps at Netherfield plus the pre-plunge stretch (from a distance) at the pond to check for evidence of shirttails or something more substantial. See, I knew you weren't far behind...;-p THE ACADEMIC (Bethan) The first comment I ever read about him was by Sue Birtwistle, the producer of P&P, (who must know him well), who said that he was "quiet, sweet and academic". I read all the same interviews as everyone else, but I don't think they really give you an accurate reflection of his eloquence or charm. The only televised Colin interview I've ever seen is the tiny little piece from Making of P&P. He certainly seems to be all those things that Sue Birtwistle mentioned. It's not anyone who can use phrases like "utterly and unreasonably dismissive" in everyday conversation without sounding haughty or obnoxious. Then again, it could just be the magnificent voice ;-p FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Nan) There was a rumor about Spring 98 :-( (Karen)Don't frown. ATA will probably beat it to the video stores and then we can fast forward past all that crumby story stuff to the good parts. Not that there are many of those either, but I'll take what I can get ;-) KEEPSAKES (Marcia) BTW, may I claim a lap robe from one of his many carriages? Pleeeeeeeeeease? Marcia, please see the Keepsake board (topic #53) for this answer.

MYSTERY MAN Oh drats, I checked through my boxes of junk rescued from the basement of my parents house to see what I could find of my adolescent crushes. All the Beatles stuff was there, as well as the James Dean, but no Christopher Jones. I thought that I might be able to somehow get it scanned in so that you could see what he looked like, but.... I've checked all over the Internet to no avail. Your best bet is to rent Ryan's Daughter or Three in the Attic (he looked really good in that one, but the story is pr tty lame about two women who keep him locked in an attic, actually that doesn't sound too bad)--if they are available on video.

FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO COVER (Arami and Renate) Didn't even recognise him on the cover! He doesn't look like himself, he doesn't even look like Paul Ashworth! I must say that I think that the whole marketing concept behind the cover is weird! Rather silly, really. Why not just use one of the many attractive shots of Paul and Sarah from the actual movie. But he certainly can manage to look different. Even in Nostromo, TEP amd FP. the changes are quite striking. And what colour is his hair, naturally? Fair, mid-brown, dark brown, dark,vermillion? I've gi en up!!!

I DONNO WHAT TO SAY (Zaher) Can someone help me? Zaher, all you have to do is talk about Colin, himself, his movies, anything really. Or you can pick up on what the rest of us are saying. We usually use bold subject headings to make things clearer and italics if we are quoting from earlier messages. But it's not necessary! Just go ahead and say what you think!

Nan, where are your cats? + + +

After three trips to London, which were wonderful in *almost* every way, I just discovered Darcy found it even more enjoyable than I. Wish he'd written a guide book if it was that good for him =) I sure hope that didn't starch those shirttails. If that were the case it explains his irritability and perhaps those contours. ....I hope they didn't discover starch till way later!

QUESTION TO SYLVIA / TIL SCHWEIGER (Karen) Hi!! Since you mentioned you are in Germany, I was just wondering about Til Schweiger (forgive the spelling)? Is it true that he is considered Germany's answer to Tom Cruise? Who said that? ! ????? I am all astonishment! What can they mean? The reason I ask is that I just saw his new movie called "Knocking on Heaven's Door" and he was there to answer questions since he was also the producer. How did you like it/him? Personally, I didn't see any resemblance Nor do I. I would rather compare him to Brad Pitt. except in that they are both kind of stocky. TS stocky? I always thought he is rather tall, but I may be wrong. Is it the kind of roles he is in? He became a star in Germany with comedies. I wondered all the time when he would be recognised outside of Germany. I think he has the potential to become an international star, like Antonio Banderas, f.e. INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE Remake? Speaking of AB, BP and TC. There is just "Interview with a Vampire" on the tv - I like all actors but one. It is one of those films which would improve TREMENDOUSLY (cannot be shouted out loud enough!) with guess who as Lestat........... Renate's homepage (Sylvia) I hope you can conquer the problem with Netscape. (Very selfish wish, because Netscape is the only browser I have.) As far as I know, Netscape just cannot do it. I suppose you cannot see the 3 cats move? What about downloading MSIE? FEVER PITCH Spent the evening so far with my new FP tape - there are many scenes for walk/run drooling in this - besides others! COLIN CHAMELEON? Bethan, I did not forget your promise to reveal CF's middle name...... what about it?

SHE IS A GEEK AFTER ALL! Nan, where are your cats? Oh honey, you're picking up steam now...:-D I first viewed it in Netscape (where my chat font is enabled)--I was wondering what was so funny. The + sign in chat font is "lol" -- something told me that's not what you meant ;-p So I went in through Explorer and voila' , the plus signs were moving...groovy! :-) But now that I've read your comment to Sylvia ( I suppose you cannot see the 3 cats move? ) I'm a little confused...are they supposed to be graphics of cats or plus signs? Please 'splain ho ey. Either way, I'm just tickled it moves...;-)

Nan, where are your cats? Yes, where are they? I have to apologize. The "+" signs are cats only when you have the respective software residing on your pc (Corel Draw 5). I thought everyone would see thess, because I could see them. Amy explained why it cannot work. Don't know if the following will work. But if so, everyone here can make a marquee by copying the source code and putting in their own text. Let me know if you want to know more. + + +

No, that was not at all what I wanted. LOL! Had another text in mind. More Colin related. OK, I have to work on it a bit off public.

(zaher) i donno what to say can someone help me I am still new to this stuff:)))) Welcome zaher :-) Feel free to comment on any of the conversations that you see on this board (or any of the others for that matter). Since you found your way here I assume you're a Colin Firth fan. So let's start at the beginning...how did you find us and how did you discover Colin? INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE Remake? (Renate) Speaking of AB, BP and TC. There is just "Interview with a Vampire" on the tv - I like all actors but one. It is one of those films which would improve TREMENDOUSLY (cannot be shouted out loud enough!) with guess who as Lestat........... You come up with the best roles for him Renate...I'm convinced that you've missed your calling. ;-p Colin would make an excellents Lestat--all sexiness he is, though not blonde...

INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE Remake? (Nan) You come up with the best roles for him Renate...I'm convinced that you've missed your calling. ;-p Colin would make an excellents Lestat--all sexiness he is, though not blonde... I guess that would be the smallest problem for our dear boy....:-)) Have we ever seen him really BLOND? Might be interesting. Probably we would see a blond man smouldering, after all. Come to think of it: Why would Lestat have to be blond?

TIL SCHWEIGER: GERMANY'S ANSWER TO TC?? (Renate) Who said that? ! ????? I am all astonishment! What can they mean? It was in the Film Fest booklet that described all the movies being shown. Evidently, the person who wrote it didn't know what he or she is talking about. However, it intrigued me enough to want to go see it!! How did you like it/him? Let's see, the movie was pretty good. A road movie about two terminally ill cancer patients. "Pulp Fiction" meets "Thelma and Louise." Have you seen it? TS stocky? I always thought he is rather tall, but I may be wrong. I don't mean that he is short, but solidly built a la TC. Not the lean and mean type. I wondered all the time when he would be recognised outside of Germany. I think he has the potential to become an international star, like Antonio Banderas, f.e. His movie was shown at a film festival, so whether he achieves large scale reknown, who knows?? He did mention that he just finished doing an American movie, so maybe the unveiling will occur shortly. Banderas was in lots of Spanish movies (Aldomovars--spelling???), but most Americans wouldn't have had a clue as to who he was until Hollywood cast him in something. Sorry, but most Americans view subtitled movies as too much work and won't even make the effort!! So sad for us. Interesting though...at t e end of "Knocking," when Rutger Hauer shows up, they speak English.

THE PATIENT ENGLISHMAN I like this! As long as he doesn't have to wait 18 years! Eight-ee-en years!! But he still hasn't had the opportunity to realise his FULL potential on screen. HIS MIDDLE NAME Oh well, I was going to do some bartering here, his middle name for his shoe size (Arami?) but I've got a very weak hand! There's an entry for Colin in Debrett's People of Today, which lists 30,000 plus prominent people in the UK today - a mixture of lawyers, academics, politicians, writers, people from the arts. 95% have middle names, 95% have "recreational interests". Colin has neither. Draw your own conclusion! He has no middle name, he has no hobbies, he doesn't like his middle name, he didn't submit ull details... There you are, not worth his shoe size! OLIVIER Marcia, in "Lost Empires" (details on The Friends of Firth site) a youmg Colin takes the lead and one of the character roles is played by Laurence Olivier. So they would have acted together. Someone suggested that Colin would be ideal to play the part of Olivier, if ever they make a biopic about him. What do you think? TROUSERS Are the grey corduroys he wears in FP the same ones he wore in Master of the Moor? (He wore both brown and grey cords). They look similar but shabbier! DARCY/COLIN Interesting to read in the other thread (59) how Darcy fans convert to Colin, usually via AMITC. The eyes don't change, nor does the way he moves. It's fascinating to see in FP - even when he moves all of five yards from the sofa to the kitchen, he still looks as though he's heading for Rosings!

CF Alert!!! - Tumbledown on Canadian Vision TV Thanks to a friend I got the following information: Tumbledown - the most sought after rarity of all Colin Firth films, and one of if his best - will be on the Canadian 'Vision TV', on Thursday, Nov 6, at 8:30 pm ET and 1:30 am ET. Vision TV has also a web page, URL to follow. Set all VCR's available!

HIS MIDDLE NAME (Bethan) Oh well, I was going to do some bartering here, his middle name for his shoe size (Arami?) but I've got a very weak hand! That's a fair trade: no middle name for no shoe size..... :-)) He has no middle name, he has no hobbies, he doesn't like his middle name, he didn't submit ull details... There you are, not worth his shoe size! Ehhh - I'm confused. PS: "dull" or "full"? TROUSERS (Bethan) Are the grey corduroys he wears in FP the same ones he wore in Master of the Moor? (He wore both brown and grey cords). They look similar but shabbier! You are not the first one to suspect him to wear his old favourite clothes on screen whenever he can :-)) BTW, there is one scene in FP I love in particular: he is with Sarah in the kitchen, and he draws his baggy and apparently too wide trousers up, and pulls his shirt down - such a nice and untheatrical gesture. Did anyone recognise it too?

OLD CRUSHES, cont. (Nan)I think I'm over the boyishly cute thing (Shaun, etc.) and have moved on to "masculine" and sometimes even "brutish" (you listening Marilyn?) ;-p Yes, dearest, I'm listening and in total agreement - nothing boyish about that beast!! ;-) COLIN AND RALPH... (Karen) What??? You like small, beady eyes??? Not for me. Give me big eyes that you could drown in, big pondlike eyes!!! How's that? ;-)) (Nan)Oh but the color Karen, the color! BTW, I never thought his eyes were beady. Nope, I'm afraid you won't be able to discourage my hormones on this one. He's not my first choice, but he's in the top 10. ;-) I've gotta preface my Ralph comments by admitting I wanted to see TEP again to drool over both men, that I slobbered over the recent "Los Angeles Magazine" Ralph cover and article (thanks for the tip, Alicia!), and that I swooned over his Heathcliff last night in Wuthering Heights. As much as I'd prefer to swim in Colin's chocolate pools (they're gooood, aren't they Karen?) - I'd take a dip in Ralph's beautiful baby blues any day!! ;-) VALMONT Colin is such a yummy and mischievous Valmont (Malkovich repulses me) - I adore those naughty smiles and twinkling eyes. As much as I don't like MT, I do love some of their scenes together - how he sweeps her up on the horse and then later in his bedroom. I liked seeing him dance (could he be more anti-Darcy??). I want him most when he's composing letters and brooding (the rejection) - yeah, Nan, Colin needed some lovin'!! NOSTROMO What is it about Colin and wet shirts?? Where are you, Megan?? I've only seen the first two hours, and that took me three hours with all the rewinding over and over to see him all wet and hungry in the silver mine!! ;-) WUTHERING HEIGHTS & BABY BROTHERS I hadn't seen Jonathan Firth in anything until last night - in spite of his minimal role as Heathcliff's sickly son, you can see some Colin in him - he's very adorable.

Oh yes! Bethan, you're a genius for suggesting CF playing LO in a Biopic. They're bound to make one with all of the too juicy stuff with Vivien Leigh. but I will about drool myself to a shrivel! No divided loyalties here. Just hunker down with the buckets and towels and...........!SIGH!

Have there been any known drownings on the CF rooms? It has been a close call at times. Has anyone gone blind?! Just curious..

WUTHERING HEIGHTS & BABY BROTHERS (Marilyn)I hadn't seen Jonathan Firth in anything until last night - in spite of his minimal role as Heathcliff's sickly son, you can see some Colin in him - he's very adorable. Ah, so he played the sickly son. I thought he played Hareton's son. Oops. I'll have to fast forward to the part when he shows up.

SEXIEST MAN ALIVE I'm a little swamped at present ladies, so my drooling will have to wait. However, I have to take time to give you the following link so that you can vote for People Online's Sexiest Man Alive. Currently Brad Pitt is leading with 42 votes--this will not do...make haste ladies: http://www.pathfinder.com/people/sp/sma97/smapoll/index.html Go to it! ;-)

FIRST IDOLS (LorieS) Shameful but true..I had a bad crush on Jack Lord (of Hawaii 5-0 ame)... (SylviaH)Lorie, I'm so happy that I'm not alone with this problem. Today I really don't know what attracted me! But things are getting worse. JL is the reason for a creepy experience with CF because my first thought after seeing the picture in USA Today, May 19, 1996 was: there he looks like... I don't dare to finish the sentence. (I guess the hair-style is the crucial point.) All we can say is that our taste has improved since then! Thanks for posting, Sylvia! I was afraid I was the only person who ever thought that man was attractive! Everyone else here is politely ignoring me (which is much better than posting hoots of laughter at my past taste). Lorie

(LorieS) I remained out of the topic of Jack Lord because he was so special to you and not very special for those of us who live where he worked. I don't like to disillusion people about their first crushes. However, just so you know we care that you liked him (while I was adoring Olivier), over here (Hawaii) he was referred to as Jack Lord God Almighty (sorry !) due to him imperious air. HE was the star and don't you forget it. Perhaps one can be too close to some people!

First Idols (LorieS) Everyone else here is politely ignoring me (which is much better than posting hoots of laughter at my past taste). Yes, I appreciate that very much. Polite ignorance is a virtue indeed! (Marcia) I don't like to disillusion people about their first crushes. Don't worry, in this case the disillusion has already taken place. DARCY/COLIN (Bethan) Interesting to read in the other thread (59) how Darcy fans convert to Colin, usually via AMITC. The eyes don't change, nor does the way he moves. I'm on the edge of buying the video of AMITC. On the edge because I'm still suffering from a moustache shock after viewing COF. But all I need is a little more encouragement, a little push rep. It's fascinating to see in FP - even when he moves all of five yards from the sofa to the kitchen, he still looks as though he's heading for Rosings! Sometimes in FP Colin looks like Darcy in Jeans, with a light beard (no problems with that) and a gorgeous leather jacket. My favourite picture is the Guardian picture on the FoF site! The scene in which he wants to leave his flat during the last Arsenal game but can't do it and paces behind the sofa reminds me very much of Darcy, especially the look when he realizes that Sarah rang the doorbell. BTW, did they put soap on the step at the front door or is it made of slippery marble? Colin's tries very hard to keep his balance after rushing done to see Sarah and it doesn't look naturally to me. New pictures Yesterday I found pictures of the TEP premiere in Los Angeles at the FoF's site. Colin looks different on each of them, varying between something like "what am I doing here?" and an ernest, focused look (perhaps writing something). Hair color Even if his hair isn't dyed, his hair color on pictures depends on the light and I think on the length of his hair. The only chance to find out is a visit to Hackney! Now I'm going to vote for the sexiest man alive!

HIS MIDDLE NAME (Renate) He has no middle name, he has no hobbies, he doesn't like his middle name, he didn't submit What are we to make of that?? Wants his privacy, perhaps?? TROUSERS Since trouser color has surfaced again, I thought I would tell you the results of my scientific analysis of P&P (remember the theory about light colored pants????) If they are as dark as the ones Darcy frequently wears, then there is absolutely no way you can see anything, make heads or tails of any sausage stuffing contests, etc. But there is another factor out there. The existence of flapless pants. Several of the pairs of pants (full length type, not the breeches sort) appear to have no flaps. Th refore, they are flatter and smoother against the ab section. Any and all lumps are quite evident, even if the slacks are of a darker dove grey color. Oh my I've spent way too much time inventorying the pants wardrobe of both CF and CBC. BTW, there is a definite stuffed look for him that was not left on the cutting room floor. One is when he gets up from the dining table at Netherfield when Lizzy enters the room after checking on Jane. Another one is the "what" scene (not in the edited A&E version) and Bingley is standing next to Georgiana at the piano. He looks stuffed on both sides!!! I think he pulled out all the stops to win the contest with CF in that one!! OLD CRUSHES, cont. (Nan) I think I'm over the boyishly cute thing (Shaun, etc.) and have moved on to "masculine" and sometimes even "brutish" (you listening Marilyn?) ;-p (Marilyn) Yes, dearest, I'm listening and in total agreement - nothing boyish about that beast!! ;-) Well, my growth has certainly been stunted. I've always be attracted to the same type when it came to crush material. Real world, that's different!! COLIN AND RALPH... (Marilyn) As much as I'd prefer to swim in Colin's chocolate pools (they're gooood, aren't they Karen?) - I'd take a dip in Ralph's beautiful baby blues any day!! ;-) So far RF has not been in one role that has caused me to change my mind. As far as Wuthering Heights??? No way, Josefina!! That's Sir Larry's domain and shall always be (of course, I haven't seen the Timothy Dalton version, so I reserve judgment. VALMONT (Marilyn) Colin is such a yummy and mischievous Valmont (Malkovich repulses me) - I adore those naughty smiles and twinkling eyes. Isn't that true about Malkovitch. One can't be sympathetic to his Valmont. CF's adorableness made his Valmont likeable and you felt sorry for him in the end, much more so than AB (she got hers alright). He's got so many smiles as well, from that naughty one to pure playfulness when he is fencing with Cecile outside. I think his reactions are just priceless!! how he sweeps her up on the horse Should we vote? Is this everyone's favorite romantic scene of the movie?? Oh to be sitting in his lap as the horse goes up and down and up and down. Whoa, I've got to cool down here!!! ;-p I liked seeing him dance Perhaps, we could submit his name for "Dirty Dancing, Part 2" ??? CASUALTIES IN THE WAR ON DROOL (Marcia)Have there been any known drownings on the CF rooms? Has anyone gone blind?! You might want to review your insurance policy's coverage. BTW, CF does a LO in a P&P2 scene that was snipped out of the A&E run. So start eating those beans and whatever so you can get the other one (too bad you didn't tape it off of the Classroom showing which I did because it had the other 18 or so minutes. The scene you need to look for is after the Meryton Assembly when the group is back at Netherfield and Darcy makes his comment about Mrs. B being a wit. There's a little more that A&E decided to snip out. They talk about how wicked his comment is and th n Mrs. Hurst boldly says (in jest) "I am not afraid of you" to Darcy. His reply is "I would not have you so" and he does this in a really foppy voice that sounds just like Olivier. SEXIEST MAN ALIVE I have voted, my dear. As they say in my hometown, vote early and often. I shall follow that dictum. FIRST IDOLS (LorieS) Everyone else here is politely ignoring me (which is much better than posting hoots of laughter at my past taste). You're so right. It was the hair. That greased back look, arghhh!!! To each his own. DARCY/COLIN (Sylvia) On the edge because I'm still suffering from a moustache shock after viewing COF. I've found that he looks better with a full beard than he does with a moustache. He has a full beard (all caveman-like) in Hostages and I think he looks pretty scrumptious in that one. But a moustache alone, like in COF and AMITC, just doesn't do it for me. Clean shaven or full caveman--that's the ticket!! Nothing in between. New pictures (Sylvia) Yesterday I found pictures of the TEP premiere in Los Angeles at the FoF's site. Colin looks different on each of them, varying between something like "what am I doing here?" and an ernest, focused look (perhaps writing something). Hmmm, going to have to take a look!!! Thanks for the info. HAIR COLOR (Sylvia) Even if his hair isn't dyed (snip) The only chance to find out is a visit to Hackney! I think you have to get a little bit closer than just being in the same part of London!!!! ;-p MISC. This morning I found a flyer stuck in my door. Evidently, ER is going to be shooting some exterior shots tomorrow morning around the corner from where I live. I wonder who they will have hanging out in my neighborhood. Got my fingers crossed for George Clooney. I'll let you know who I see when I get back from my vacation sometime the week of Sept. 16. Bye for now.

INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE Remake? (Renate) I guess that would be the smallest problem for our dear boy....:-)) Have we ever seen him really BLOND? Might be interesting. As you know, I am very fond of the "Darcy" colored hair. I don't think I could ever get used to him if he was really blond. Come to think of it: Why would Lestat have to be blond? I have a vague recollection of Anne Rice being all bent out of shape because Tom Cruise was chosen for the Lestat role. This was not only because she was thinking of someone entirely different, but because she insisted that Lestat must be blond. HIS MIDDLE NAME (Bethan) He has no middle name, he has no hobbies, he doesn't like his middle name, he didn't submit full details... There you are, not worth his shoe size! Bummer! I was waiting for that info too ;-p OLIVIER (Bethan) Someone suggested that Colin would be ideal to play the part of Olivier, if ever they make a biopic about him. What do you think? Oh how perfect! Who can we harass to both make the film and cast Colin? DARCY/COLIN (Bethan) The eyes don't change, nor does the way he moves. It's fascinating to see in FP - even when he moves all of five yards from the sofa to the kitchen, he still looks as though he's heading for Rosings! LOL! I love that sort of long-stride strut, mixed with the Darcy arrogance. Very, very sexy ;-) VALMONT (Marilyn) I want him most when he's composing letters and brooding (the rejection) I think I mentioned to you before that I would be more than happy to let HIM write the letter...;-p CPR (Marcia) Have there been any known drownings on the CF rooms? It has been a close call at times. Has anyone gone blind?! Just curious.. We have, on occasion, be known to gasp for air...but usually we get to eachother before the victim collapses altogether... SEXIEST MAN ALIVE Did everyone vote? Here's the link again if anyone missed it: http://www.pathfinder.com/people/sp/sma97/smapoll/index.html AMITC (Sylvia) I'm on the edge of buying the video of AMITC. On the edge because I'm still suffering from a moustache shock after viewing COF. But all I need is a little more encouragement, a little push rep. So, what can we say to encourage you? ;-) Personally, it's one of my favorite--for sheer acting. I can't say I like the moustache very much either, but he's not to be drooled over in that film anyway...just sympathized with ;-) TROUSERS (Karen) Another one is the "what" scene (not in the edited A&E version) and Bingley is standing next to Georgiana at the piano. He looks stuffed on both sides!!! I think he pulled out all the stops to win the contest with CF in that one!! I can't say I ever noticed that one! Gotta go look--what a hoot! ;-D VALMONT (Marilyn) Colin is such a yummy and mischievous Valmont (Malkovich repulses me) - I adore those naughty smiles and twinkling eyes. Isn't that true about Malkovitch. One can't be sympathetic to his Valmont. CF's adorableness made his Valmont likeable and you felt sorry for him in the end, much more so than AB (she got hers alright). He's got so many smiles as well, from that naughty one to pure playfulness when he is fencing with Cecile outside. I think his reactions are just priceless!! I'm jumping on the anti-Malkovich Valmont bandwagon by saying that he just gives me the shivers (an not good ones either). CF's Valmont is so much more endearing and therefore, charming--a quality which Valmont absolutely must possess. (Karen) Should we vote? Is this everyone's favorite romantic scene of the movie?? Oh to be sitting in his lap as the horse goes up and down and up and down. Whoa, I've got to cool down here!!! ;-p LOL! :-D Let's see...I like the "yes" scene (but that's really more about MT's delivery--her only shining moment). I also like the one where he visits AB and asks her if she thinks a man can change. TO BEARD OR NOT TO BEARD (Karen) I've found that he looks better with a full beard than he does with a moustache. Agreed! I particularly like the Nostromo beard.

COLIN TO PLAY MR DARCY AGAIN Now, that's got your attention! The current runaway bestseller in the UK bookcharts (for the last 3 months) is "Bridget Jones' Diary" by Helen Fielding. Very, very funny. About a 30 something single girl in London who has a hate/love relationship with a rich successful barrister (lawyer) who at first seems very aloof, but turns out to be warm, caring etc. The lawyer is called Mark Darcy and is rather similar to another Mr D! To confuse things further, Bridget also has a crush on Mr Darcy in the P&P TV movie. Report in The Daily Telegraph says that Colin is to play the modern Darcy in a movie to be made by Working Title (they made Moonlight and Valentino, Bean, many others). I loved the book, and rather liked Mark Darcy (actually thought of Colin when I read it!). Good choice for him.. shows he has a nice sense of humour! Colin Firth as Mr Darcy, 1990s version!

COLIN TO PLAY MR DARCY AGAIN (Bethan) Report in The Daily Telegraph says that Colin is to play the modern Darcy. I loved the book, and rather liked Mark Darcy (actually thought of Colin when I read it!). Good choice for him.. shows he has a nice sense of humour! Colin Firth as Mr Darcy, 1990s version! How reliable is this "Daily Telegraph"??? Much as I/we would all like him to reprise his role as Darcy, I find it a little unbelievable, given all the comments he made about the "stir" he caused playing Darcy the first time. Well, here's hoping it's true. A modern Darcy...a Regency Darcy....who cares!!! A Darcy for all ages!! And with CF??? A no brainer. VALMONT (Marilyn) I want him most when he's composing letters and brooding (the rejection) Writing is definitely his strong suit!!!

(Marcia-MarSea) I remained out of the topic of Jack Lord because he was so special to you and not very special for those of us who live where he worked. I don't like to disillusion people about their first crushes. However, just so you know we care that you liked him (while I was adoring Olivier), over here (Hawaii) he was referred to as Jack Lord God Almighty (sorry !) due to him imperious air. LMAO, Marcia! That's a hoot. When I've watched the shows recently, in re-runs, that's part of what I find so off-putting about him. Of course, it's just a gawdawful show, but his attitude is pretty stuck-on-himself. (Marcia) Perhaps one can be too close to some people! Oh, definitely. While I like to believe the best about people I admire, sometimes just reading an article and hearing how dopey someone sounds can make me an ex-drooler. But as for JL, don't worry, Marcia. Today you can say anything bad about him, and I'll laugh and believe it. But when I was 10 or so-- Well, maybe as a kid I had an authority fixation or something. (KarenR) Writing is definitely his strong suit!!! His "suit" could be improved only if he were as unclothed as his paper!

COLIN TO PLAY MR DARCY AGAIN (Bethan) ....... "Bridget Jones' Diary" by Helen Fielding. Very, very funny. (Bethan) Report in The Daily Telegraph says that Colin is to play the modern Darcy. I loved the book, and rather liked Mark Darcy (actually thought of Colin when I read it!). Good choice for him.. shows he has a nice sense of humour! Colin Firth as Mr Darcy, 1990s version! (Karen) How reliable is this "Daily Telegraph"??? Much as I/we would all like him to reprise his role as Darcy, I find it a little unbelievable, given all the comments he made about the "stir" he caused playing Darcy the first time. Well, here's hoping it's true. I agree with you that it is very unlikely to see him do *that* Mr Darcy again - but a Darcy spoof, why not. Kind of exorcism. :-)) Though I am only halfway through the book, I think Mark Darcy's is rather a cameo role in terms of quantity of appearance. . The book is very funny indeed, and I find it a kind of counterpart to Nick Hornby's Fever Pitch. I hope the DT report is correct. VALMONT (Marilyn) I want him most when he's composing letters and brooding (the rejection) (Karen) Writing is definitely his strong suit!!! I like him even better at dictation ;-))

COLIN TO PLAY DARCY How reliable is the Daily Telegraph? (Karen) Very reliable, I would say. It's in the Peterborough column.I quote: "Now, I learn, the book's author Helen Fielding has been telling friends that Firth is to play Darcy (the modern one) in the forthcoming film of her work...fans of both Darcys are confident their hopes will be rewarded. I think that Mark Darcy is rather a cameo role in terms of appearance (Renate) Renate, if you've only read the first half so far, he figures much more strongly in the second half. (I say "only read" - that was incredibly quick off the mark!! Were you already reading it? Telepathic?) I also think that when the book is scripted as a film, it will obviously have to be condensed, and will focus on a few main characters, so that a lot of the incidental comic episodes (in which Mark Darcy doesn't figure) may be pruned/cut. Although arguably, there are long stretches in P&P in which Darcy is absent! BTW (and it IS a very funny book) did you find quite a few parallels with P&P - harebrained mother, refusal to dance, even a Miss Bingley figure!!? The book is a counterpart to Nick Hornby's FP More to Nick Hornby's "High Fidelity". Also very funny. Anyway, I think that Mark Darcy is a very good role for CF, although decidedly tongue in cheek! I look forward to seeing him as a smart, rich (but nice!} lawyer. I like him scruffy, but am also quite partial to him in a dinner jacket!

Fever Pitch (Renate) BTW, there is one scene in FP I love in particular: he is with Sarah in the kitchen, and he draws his baggy and apparently too wide trousers up, and pulls his shirt down - such a nice and untheatrical gesture. So has this movie ever been shown in the US? The Renate gesture sounds very endearing. NOSTROMO What is it about Colin and wet shirts?? ... took me three hours with all the rewinding over and over to see him all wet and hungry in the silver mine!! ;-) Talk about wet and hungry, how about with the coal mine and Rose? Perfect casting in those scenes.... ROSE (Karen) "He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip" (Karen)Wrong direction, dear!! Do you need glasses??? (Nan) Oh I hope not ;-p (Karen)Her, not him. (Nan)That's what I meant--if she needs glasses to notice then we're in trouble here ;-p Needing glasses? NEVER!! Unless seeing through slightly soapy water is like seeing through frosted glass; maybe there's something in the water...or the wine...do you think French grapes improve one's eyesight? AMITC (KarenR) But a moustache alone, like in COF and AMITC, just doesn't do it for me. Oh, but he was just SO CUTE in AMITC. BTW, cuteness is fine before age 35 (CF must have been about 27 when AMITC was made.) After that I find it's a turn-off, which is why George Clooney has no appeal at allfor me. CF is maturing in a very scrumptious way. (I've already used edible, yummy and delectable in the past. Had to find a new word.)

Essay Contest (Renate) That thingie you mention must be The Infamous Watch and Fob, Arami's Keepsake. And, yes, it has a story of it's own, AND an essay..... Just want to seize the opportunity to remind that there's still the Keepsake Essay Contest pending.... I am still thinking on "What the Mirror saw" :-)) Just where are these essays? I checked the Keepsake topic; did I miss something in there? I Only Have Eyes For Him (Arami)Nowadays I seem to be the only Colin fan who doesn't care much about other actors. (Bethan)I am very telescopic in my obsession - only HIM! And I won't change my loyalties. You can include me in this boat(tub?), too. All Time Favorite Line (Nan)Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) OK, so it isn't from a movie, but all this drool stuff could be made into a movie, perhaps a documentary: how to dissect every move an actor makes, how he can show emotion and intent by slight changes in expression, the effects of the movements of a certain actor on a segment of his audience .... Valmont I actually DID like this movie, except for Annette Bening (overkill on the vicious simpering) and Meg Tilly (didn't seem to fit in there) and the main storyline (the idea of seducing the little girl before her wedding). Other than THAT, the movie was fun and CF was just wonderful! Yes, I am now sold on those smiles, though I'm tempted to say that "he smiles too much", but I know that was the script. MY favorite line: (at breakfast) "And Ma-ma' will have a HUGE scandal on her hands!" I keep rewi ding to hear how he says "huge", it's just so cute! I shouldn't take these films so seriously; gosh, I know they're just stories, but I keep thinking about that poor little girl; I'm sure Valmont was very tender with her, but what about her wedding night with that pig, who's obsessed not with her but with the idea of purity, and she's pregnant already, no less? I have to make my own ending to this; she goes to live with Valmont's old aunt and has a baby boy who inherits the aunt's estate when she dies. BTW, my movie book says that the aunt really did die shortly after the film was made. And, that cute harp teacher is really Elliot from ET!! He really did turn out well. Wonder what he's doing now?

how he says "huge", it's just so cute! He has a special way with his u's, he sort of wraps his lips around them...

BRIDGET JONES' DIARY / COLIN TO PLAY DARCY (Bethan) Renate, if you've only read the first half so far, he figures much more strongly in the second half. I just came to the scene where he appears again at the Not-tart-and-vicars party. I think there is a bit of Frederick Wentworth in that gesture how he helps her out of an embarrassing/uncomfortable situation. It reminded me a lot of that scene when FW takes away that little boy from her back when she is nursing the other boy. (Bethan) (I say "only read" - that was incredibly quick off the mark!! Were you already reading it? Telepathic?) I bought it some two weeks ago, read a recommendation somewhere in RoP or Firthland... I also think that when the book is scripted as a film, it will obviously have to be condensed, and will focus on a few main characters, so that a lot of the incidental comic episodes (in which Mark Darcy doesn't figure) may be pruned/cut. BJD it is very funny written, but the story and scenes are not at all funny in themselves. So I think it would have to be pretty thouroughly re-created to make a funny film. BTW (and it IS a very funny book) did you find quite a few parallels with P&P - harebrained mother, refusal to dance, even a Miss Bingley figure!!? It is particularly refreshing how Fielding does NOT try to follow the P&P storyline, and if there are resemblances they are VERY casual and unobtrusive. I make a guess: it was not written with the purpose of a P&P resemblance in mind, but the opportunity probably turned out later .......... I keep on wondering about the names, if there are some hidden hints in it. Daniel is Wickham, no doubt, but there is also a character named 'Wicksy'. Ok, final review when finished. The book is a counterpart to Nick Hornby's FP More to Nick Hornby's "High Fidelity". Also very funny. You are so right! I read some chapters only of both books, and mixed it up. Response 461 of 462: Claudia Braden (Claudia) * Fri, Nov 7, 1997 (14:58) * 28 lines Fever Pitch So has this movie ever been shown in the US? No. But it was for 3 days on the Vancouver Filmfestival. As far as I know an NTSC video version is planned for Canada - but no idea as to when. BEYOND DESCRIPTION? CF is maturing in a very scrumptious way. (I've already used edible, yummy and delectable in the past. Had to find a new word.) My favorite expressions when referring to his looks are "irresistible" and "devastatingly" charming. Anyone other words? Essay Contest (Renate) That thingie you mention must be The Infamous Watch and Fob, Arami's Keepsake. And, yes, it has a story of it's own, AND an essay..... Just want to seize the opportunity to remind that there's still the Keepsake Essay Contest pending.... I am still thinking on "What the Mirror saw" :-)) Just where are these essays? I checked the Keepsake topic; did I miss something in there? You cannot find them. Mine is not yet written (I'm still waiting for an hour when time and inspiration meet), but Arami's Infamous Essay was posted for a few hours only before it was deleted because it hurt the particularly high moral standards of that place...... we don't have such superior standards here :-))

BTW, I don't know if it's absolutely clear:THAT PLACE is the Republic of Pemberley site, whence we have been evacuated, since drooling doesn't become them.

COLIN TO PLAY MR DARCY AGAIN (lizbeth)The current runaway bestseller in the UK bookcharts (for the last 3 months) is "Bridget Jones' Diary" by Helen Fielding. Is this book available in the U.S.? I really do hope CF plays the modern Darcy. It would be a feast for my eyes and heart. Oh, oh, oh... I'm dying with impatience. I wonder how long it will take to make the film.

Don't die just yet - the whole thing is still in the sphere of wishful thinking...

COLIN TO PLAY MR DARCY AGAIN (Bethan)Report in The Daily Telegraph says that Colin is to play the modern Darcy in a movie to be made How wonderful is that?! ;-) I would love to get excited about this, but I fear I shall be setting myself up for a great disappointment. When I hear that he's signed the contract, that's when I'll rejoice. By the things I've read he seemed quite perplexed by the popularity of his Darcy and wanted no part of the P&P success (at least that's how it seemed to me). If that's true, I would be very glad to hear that he had moved past his initial wariness of it and is able to find humor in it no less. Excellent! I Only Have Eyes For Him (Arami)Nowadays I seem to be the only Colin fan who doesn't care much about other actors. (Bethan)I am very telescopic in my obsession - only HIM! And I won't change my loyalties. (Claudia) You can include me in this boat(tub?), too. Well I can't damn any of you for your loyalty, that's for sure! I'm afraid that my affection for Colin does nothing to dampen my hormonal urges when seeing other attractive men. Since they are all unattainable anyway, I might as well wish big ;-p All Time Favorite Line (Nan)Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) (Claudia) OK, so it isn't from a movie, but all this drool stuff could be made into a movie, perhaps a documentary LOL! So glad you like the line Claudia. And I think a documentary is an excellent idea. I believe Arami must do this...she can let loose all those pent up movie making juices of hers ;-) (Claudia) how to dissect every move an actor makes, how he can show emotion and intent by slight changes in expression, the effects of the movements of a certain actor on a segment of his audience .... Well we've certainly analyzed it enough. She'll not lack for material and witty comments. Whaddya say Arami? Valmont (Claudia) I shouldn't take these films so seriously; gosh, I know they're just stories, but I keep thinking about that poor little girl; Yes, you mustn't think about it that way--takes all the joy out of it. While it would be considered quite horrific right now, you must remember that the girls was about to get married. Therefore, she was considered old enough for sex. All in all, I'd say that there are worse ways of losin' it--it could have been at the hands of her husband ;-p I have to make my own ending to this; she goes to live with Valmont's old aunt and has a baby boy who inherits the aunt's estate when she dies. Works for me honey! ;-) DICTION (Arami) He has a special way with his u's, he sort of wraps his lips around them... Ooooh "wraps his lips around them"...*BIG SIGH* BEYOND DESCRIPTION? (Claudia) CF is maturing in a very scrumptious way. (I've already used edible, yummy and delectable in the past. Had to find a new word.) (Renate) My favorite expressions when referring to his looks are "irresistible" and "devastatingly" charming. Anyone other words? I like "alarmingly handsome", "deliciously wicked" (ref. to Valmont) and the ever popular "chocolate puddles"... Essay Contest (Claudia) Just where are these essays? I checked the Keepsake topic; did I miss something in there? (Renate) You cannot find them. Mine is not yet written (I'm still waiting for an hour when time and inspiration meet), I rely heavily on those of you who have the ability, because it's out of my realm. Let's see 'em ladies... but Arami's Infamous Essay was posted for a few hours only before it was deleted because it hurt the particularly high moral standards of that place...... we don't have such superior standards here :-)) At least we try very hard not to ;-) (Arami) BTW, I don't know if it's absolutely clear:THAT PLACE is the Republic of Pemberley site, whence we have been evacuated, since drooling doesn't become them. Actually, drooling becomes them quite well (and many there are most adept at it). They just don't do it in public very often, that's all. Personally, I thought the "Watch and Fob Essay" quite inspired and hysterically funny. However, it was out of the PG-13 realm...that was part of its charm. I've said it before and I'll say it again...I'd love to see it on the Keepsake board ;-)

I would like to see anything Arami has written before we became conversant. Is it possible to rerun it without being banned from the Internet forever? My curiosity is piqued....just as it peeked in the "undo the breeches...." or was that unto??? Anyway, please consider putting it on the Keepsake board.

You're talking a lot about me these days. I like that. Regarding film making, Nan, let me see the script firth. Or the script and Firth. Or let me get my hands on the script and Firth and I can promise you the film of films. Lights, camera, action! Ooooh, baby! No, the script wouldn't even be necessary - we'll improvise... two talented people that we are... ;-) As for the essay... yes, that can be arranged, too, I think, but I'll have you writhe at my feet and beg for a litte longer. In the meantime, Marcia, have you seen the Derbyshire Writers Guild at the RoP site? Mostly tame stuff, but there are some quite enjoyable pieces to do with P&P missing scenes there... including two or three very short sketches by yours truly.

Not so much about you, but with you. I'd like to apply for fly-on-the-wall status in the above endeavor. However, not one for group participation, might I take a turn (rehearsal, perhaps?) alone with Him? I'm a lady at all times.....Oh Yeah!!!!! Shall I bring my scissors? OooooooH.......AaaaaaaaaHaH! It has been some time since I have been to RoP's DWG. Now that I know you have something there I shall go straight away. I enjoy your writing and appreciate the suggestion.

Sorry, Marcia, no flies on our Colin...;-) But I'll let you have a go with the scissors if you promise to be EXTREMELY careful when you snip those buttons off (he'll be wearing Levi's with button flies for that scene...) I forgot to mention Renate's pieces in DWG whilst blowing my little trumpet. They are much more imaginative than mine. And longer. (I'm the master of the mini-essay, really...)

Oh! My dear! Button-flies? OOOOOOOoooooooh!........I was momentarily overcome with the very idea. You may be assured all he will feel is pleasure. I am very deft and adroit and clever. And I know all of the good things to do.....Whew, it's getting very warm in here....! He will be none the worse for my snipping, and when I tell him it was my pleasure snipping, he will reply that it was HIS pleasure!!!......I need to get something cool to press against my brow... (I'll not be a FLY when I am rehearsin !)

Golly, and all that with only a pair of scissors?

I told you I was clever! And, I have developed a vivid imagination through years of studious reading of the best sort. You should imagine what my adept fingers can do without scissors in them!!!!

Hello everyone!! I've been lurking here since the end of September. I couldn't find my way on and then I was away for awhile. But I have been having a droolingly great time enjoying your downright deliciously horny talk. Its time I dive in and add my drool to the pond. Call in the Red Cross, there may be some flooding! COLIN FIRTH, COLIN, COLIN, COLIN. Good God what a rush just saying his name. You are the only creatures I know who share this obsession. I am completely out of control, my family a d friends think I've lost my mind. Your talk of Colin's pants and their contents, his kissing, sex, the positions he uses most and just all the talk about his gorgeous face and his incredible edible body, let's me know I'm not alone. We may be hopelessly, pathetically out of our heads residing in Colin Heaven but at least we're not alone! You may wondered when I first fell in love with Colin. It was while watching P&P2 but it wasn't at first sight. When I first saw him it was like, "Hmm interesting". Then at Lucas Lodge when he commented on Elizabeth's "fine eyes" I thought, "Oh, he's cute." With each close-up of his gorgeous face I was falling deeper and deeper. Until the wet shirt scene, My God, I never felt like that or had such a physical reaction (I hope you know what I mean) to anyone other than my husband. It was really quite rightening. I thought "Oh My God, what's going on here!?" Then I was just hopelessly lost because what happened next--THE LOOK--. I swear to you my husband that night said, "Wow, what got into you, don't get me wrong it was great, but what happened?" The whole time I was thinking, "COLIN, COLIN, OH DEAR GOD, COLIN!!! OK, let me compose myself. Now, OK, PHEW!! I'm ready to continue. I've watched P&P2 almost 200 times and each time I find myself glaring at Colin's body, how he moves it and uses it. It just drives me wild! Its amazing how just standing there he can be thrilling. He uses everything he's got (and boy he's got everything) his eyes, his mouth, his hands (I have never taken notice of a man's hands before) his legs (you can imagine what I dream about them). You know what I think would be the ultimate fantasy? Virtual Reality! Can you just imagine if you could "be with" Colin and have him hold you and EVERYTHING!!! I have just enough sanity left to know that's the only way that would appen. But that would do, right? Sorry this was so long, but once those flood gates open--Watch out!

FLOODGATES Keep those flood gates open, Kath!!! And you don't need virtual reality. Your imagination has taken you there already!! COLIN TO PLAY DARCY AGAIN?? Don't die yet - the whole thing is still in the sphere of wishful thinking(Arami) More than that, I hope. So little news about Colin and his projects filters through to the press that when I do see something in print, I'm inclined to believe it. :-)

OOPS..FORGOT TO SAY Close scrutiny of FP has led me discover something we haven't drooled about yet (if that is possible!). He has very clear, smooth, almost transparent skin, so that more delicate skin hues and a very attractive 5 o'clock shadow always show through. (I'm confining my observations to his face).In marked contrast to the leathery perma-tans of most Hollywood stars. Something to be said for staying out of the LA sunshine!

I don't know what it is with 51 but it is weird today. Anyway, to the lady (no name on my computer)who just discovered how potent the feelings are that our Lovely Darcy/Colin awkens...my husband had the same reaction and offered to buy me several copies!! The feeling he (CF)(and my husband) arouses is almost visceral and I get the squinges every time I run the video - which is at least once daily. Besides that I have made several soundtrack audio tapes, one of which I am listening to right now. There ar in fact many flood-prone places and it is not due to El Ni�o! I previously had a silent computer without wallpaper. I now have Darcy-collage wallpaper, and all of the noises a computer event causes is from him. He says "You have to marry me" on quarter hours, his name on the hour, "Hangon,Hangon" whenever hit a function I'm not supposed to, etc. When I get mail he says "Hello there!" YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!! A true fellow drooler of the incurable sort.

Wow, ladies... I am positively revitalized! Wonderful! I thought Marcia was bold, but, oh, my, KATH! Welcome, fellow sufferer! Pour out your troubles... I fell in love with Darcy almost exactly in the same way, except that the wet shirt scene didn't register so strongly with me. Maybe I'm not so sensuous???;-) The Look, yes! And by the time of the second proposal I was his! Bethan - it's all very true about Colin's skin, except it's prone to minor blemishes. (Marcia, another imperfection!) We are lucky to have such understanding partners/husbands, too...

Oh, and Kath, have you found the Friends of Firth Official Page yet? Full of delicious photos, articles, info, numerous links... A must for a Firthfreak!

I have been lurking in RoP for several weeks and just found you all. I too love Colin, and I believe the Netherfield Ball sent me over the edge. It reminded me of Phantom of the Opera, (Michael Crawford only). It was so predatory. I was introduced to P&P2 in July of this year and have not been the same. I have watched P&P2 probably 300 times and have the tape set and laser discs. I have edited down my own tape of 2hrs15min. of just D&E, no mother, no Mr. Collins, no Wickham. I also have several other mo ies of his. Valmont, Nostromo, Apt. Zero, Advocate, of which I am trying to obtain the Euro version. I can not seem to get enough of him. I love his eyes, the intensity of that gaze- I could die and go to heaven. I was very disappointed with ATA, he was window dressing only. But he did look great in all those colored shirts, red, teal, purple, wow!! too bad they did not use his considerable talents. I have read all the Fanfic on RoP and at the Firth site, but they don't go far enough. They tend to leave me salivating for what next. Just thought I'd share!

KATH'S FLOODGATES (Kath) Its time I dive in and add my drool to the pond. Call in the Red Cross, there may be some flooding! COLIN FIRTH, COLIN, COLIN, COLIN. Good God what a rush just saying his name. You are the only creatures I know who share this obsession. I am completely out of control, my family and friends think I've lost my mind. LOL! You haven't lost your mind...we are all in the same boat. So glad you decided to come out of hiding. I just love that Colin enthusiasm...you are very welcome here. ;-) We may be hopelessly, pathetically out of our heads residing in Colin Heaven but at least we're not alone! Oh no, we're not alone at all. There are many Colin lovers out there...we're just the naughty ones ;-p Until the wet shirt scene, My God, I never felt like that or had such a physical reaction (I hope you know what I mean) Indeed we do. That scene is a beautiful, beautiful thing--the manly stride, shirt sticking to him, the collar open just enough to see is beauty marks, thick boots accenting his rock-like thighs. I swear to you my husband that night said, "Wow, what got into you, don't get me wrong it was great, but what happened?" The whole time I was thinking, "COLIN, COLIN, OH DEAR GOD, COLIN!!! LMAO! At least you didn't say it out loud (you didn't slip, did you?) ;-D Virtual Reality! Can you just imagine if you could "be with" Colin and have him hold you and EVERYTHING!!! I have just enough sanity left to know that's the only way that would happen. But that would do, right? You, woman, are a hoot! If this is the first message, I can't wait to see what kinky tales come out in the future. LOL! Good for you honey...you found the rest of us. ;-) MARCIA'S GETTING FRISKY The feeling he (CF)(and my husband) arouses is almost visceral and I get the squinges every time I run the video - which is at least once daily. LOL! "Squinges"--I love it ;-D I previously had a silent computer without wallpaper. I now have Darcy-collage wallpaper, and all of the noises a computer event causes is from him. He says "You have to marry me" on quarter hours, his name on the hour, "Hangon,Hangon" whenever hit a function I'm not supposed to, etc. When I get mail he says "Hello there!" Too funny! My incoming mail says the same thing. Of course, everyone in my office thinks I've finally fallen into the abyss...but they'll get over it. ;-) WELCOME STEFANIE (Stefanie) I have been lurking in RoP for several weeks and just found you all. I too love Colin, and I believe the Netherfield Ball sent me over the edge. It was the nail in the coffin for me...;-) It reminded me of Phantom of the Opera, (Michael Crawford only). You know, I missed seeing that one ;-( My mother swears he's the only phantom worth watching. . I have edited down my own tape of 2hrs15min. of just D&E, no mother, no Mr. Collins, no Wickham. Oh boy, you are in deep. Excellent! We love the obsessed here ;-D I can not seem to get enough of him. I love his eyes, the intensity of that gaze- I could die and go to heaven. Oh the big, dark, velvety pools...*sigh* I was very disappointed with ATA, he was window dressing only. But he did look great in all those colored shirts, red, teal, purple, wow!! too bad they did not use his considerable talents. Wasn't that a sin? Couldn't you just slap them? There was so much potential in that role too. ;-( I have read all the Fanfic on RoP and at the Firth site, but they don't go far enough. They tend to leave me salivating for what next. Just thought I'd share! Please, continue sharing...I'm loving this ;-D In terms of fan fic, there are some stories here at the Spring fan fic, but the juicy ones were removed at the request of the authors. Sorry ;-( Every so often a racy one pops up though, so stick around. Glad you found us. :-)

Oh wait a minute...I forgot some of the old stories at the Fan Fic board here...there are some quite interesting spicy things still on that board. There's one story in there in particular (by Carolyn) that I like very well and the comments are a riot! ;-) Go look: Spring Fan Fic

Arami, yes I have been a most attentive visitor to the Friends of Firth Page. I've copied photos from there and had them laminated and carry them with me always. I have some in my purse, my coat pocket and use them as bookmarkers. All throughout the day I take them out when I need a Colin fix and each and every time I get that pit of my stomach (Oh, yeah Colin baby you do it to me every time) sensation! I was thinking about my comment about Colin's hands. I guess I noticed his hands because I was ima ining what he could do with them! There is a scene in "Valmont" when he dictates the letter to the young girl on the bed. He plays with her legs and her derriere(politest word I could think of) caresses and kisses them so slowly and sensually, he lays his face on her and then he parts her legs!!!...I lose it everytime! That is my favorite love scene with my most delectable Colin! Of course, I haven't seen all of his films. But, the thought that there's even more delights waiting out there for me give me a most warm and tingling feeling! I hope I'm not being too out of line with my licentious thoughts and comments but I seem to lose all sense of decorum when it comes to my passion for my most beloved Colin!! Nan, I'd like to thank you personally for e-mailing me about this outrageous place, I'm sorry it took me so long to get here. No, I haven't called, yelled or screamed out Colin's name yet! Although I think I've moaned it nice and low and softly. Oh yeah, that I've done!!

my favorite love scene with my most delectable Colin Have you seen the lovemaking scene from Femme Fatale? We're talking almost hardcore here, and yet it's so well and tastefully done... Mmmmmmmmmmm.....

Just about the time I begin to feel warped and jaded with my constant Firthilizing, some lurkers come out of the beyond and give voice to what has happened the first time one of us (ME~!) got Darcy into focus. I was a victim of the Netherfield Ball but didn't know it till much later when I was pried off of the TV screen. (It took lots of soap and water.) I still get unglued and the pit-of-my-stomach thingy and palpitations when I go through the whole Pemberly episode. I often find that I've forgotten to breathe and my heart is pounding. Oh dear....I hope it never ends and that fresh droolers will continue to keep our lust ever brugeoning (or whatever).

Hey, guys, I'm a self-confessed cyberdumbo, so who's gonna tell me how you make your computer say things in Darcy's voice :-)?

I will tell you how I did it. I went to Marilyn's web page and downloaded all of the Darcy and CF .wav files into C:\windows. Then when you go into Control Panel in the Main program icon you will find Sounds. In there you highlight the function on the left (as in start Windows, exit Windows, default, question, asterisk,). Each time you have one highlighted on the left, go to the right side and chose the wav file you want then go to the next you can test them to be sure then hit the ok button and exi . You're in business with Good Sounds! If you use Eudora you can do the same under tools/attention/sound. Mine says "hello, there!" as in the Lambton Inn. If you choose "Come back to bed" be aware of who may overhear it! Hope that helps. http://www.ualberta.ca/~marilyn/wavpc.html http://www.ualberta.ca/~marilyn/wavnew.html

I've seen "Femme Fatale" and I enjoyed it immensely. BUT, my "Valmont" scene is still my favorite. I think watching Colin's foreplay is much more erotically stimulating(Oh Colin Baby OOOOH YES!!!) than watching the act itself. You can be much more versatile before than during. It makes me weak just thinking about it. I wonder if he was directed in that scene or if he improvised. I like to think he just did what he would normally do. Oh, the thought of it! I make myself crazy!! I wish I could put all those fabulous Colin things on my computer, but alas it's not just my computer. I share it with the 4 men in my life(5 if you count Colin) my husband and 3 sons. They would never go for it, they go nuts every time I put P&P2 on!

Hi Kathleen! I like (oh boy. DO I !) Colin as Darcy and clothed and smouldering. To me it is just plain embarassing for me to see him naked to the world where everyone can see him doing It. I much prefer the gauzy, ocean-crashing, sweeping music. The I can close my eyes and I am there! Foreplay is great, but no Doing It for me (to watch!). You are in the company of many crazed- by-the-very-sight-of-him Firthophiles. What we need is your Virtual-Firth - one at a time, I might add. I'm not into grou s for that, either. I share the computer just with Darcy/Firth and send Jpgs to my son to show him what he got me into when he bullied me into getting onto the Web. Now he just says he's glad if it makes me happy. My husband is thrilled with the smouldering repressed feelings in the movie because I take out my frustrations on him and it is GoooooooooooD! But, I never pretend it is Firth rather than a dear understanding husband. (That's sort of like cheating, isn't it?) I put P&P2 on an audio tape s I can run the video in my head when it isn't "convenient" to do my drooling in the Living room. But, when I can....and I get to bed very late some times.....I look v e r y hard at the man to engrave his fantastic self on my brain. Should make for a curious shaped wrinkle on the surface with all of the button snipping and contour investigation I've been doing.....whew....warm in here again! Sorry about the sounds - they really are lovely!

I've seen "Femme Fatale" and I enjoyed it immensely. BUT, my "Valmont" scene is still my favorite. No pun intended? That is a really different kind of scene. (I guess having little girls of my own made me dislike the plot; having kids sometimes changes how we feel about things. Beyond that, CF did a marvelous job.) (Marcia)But I never pretend it is Firth rather than a dear understanding husband. (That's sort of like cheating, isn't it?) Nahhhhhhhhh!!! Sounds The first time I downloaded those sounds, they disappeared after a short time and I discovered they had been saved in a cache file. So I downloaded them again and then copied them to a regular file. Works fine now. Saving Pictures Okay, so how do you save those great CF pictures on your hard drive. I have Win95. Bulge contest Re: the CBC vs. CF dual, the effect seems to be different on CBC, maybe because he doesn't have those long lean luscious legs that CF has; somehow whatever happened in the scenes mentioned (the "WOT?" scene and with Lizzie right after the "Her hair, Louisa!!" scene) makes CBC look kind of pudgy. Where is that wardrobe person? Must be spending too much time on CF at the expense of the rest of the boys!! Oh, but I must say, you're right (Marcia?), the officers beat everyone hands down. Those pants look ike form-fitting knits. Was that even invented in those days?

Oh, Claudia, You mean I can and it isn't? (Cheating, that is) All Riiiiiiiight. I refuse to admit that I am guilty anyway as that might incriminate me. =) Glad you have all the neat sounds now. Did you like CBC's wedding double-knits? No, they didn't have knitting that fine back then, but how the heck did they get those grey pants on CBC unless they used a paint roller?! Good grief, and what we see is after they modified him a bit so as not to be too obvious. Yeah! Sure. The problem with the officers' wadding is that it isn't defined. No good contours to follow. It's like it's stuffed with cottage cheese! Bulge isn't good till you can tell what's causing it! Now, how I save all those pix of CF: use the right hand mouse button. Put the pointer on the picture, push the right side button on your mouse and you get a menu including "save this image." Highlite that and your files will show up. I switch to a:\ and save them on floppies (which are up to CF 12 right now). Hope this helps.

Whoo! Is this place H O T or what? I'm away for just a couple of days and I come back and nearly drown in all this drool. Man! I've been missing out here. This place is alive and kicking more than ever! Hello to Kath and Stefanie, hope to see you often here. I Only Have Eyes For Him (Arami)Nowadays I seem to be the only Colin fan who doesn't care much about other actors. (Bethan)I am very telescopic in my obsession - only HIM! And I won't change my loyalties. (Claudia) You can include me in this boat(tub?), too. I wish I can stick with one obsession. I have too many. It'd make my life a lot easier if I only stuck with Colin. But my hormones won't allow it so I have my own personal little library of fixations. Spend many sleep-deprived nights lurking in cyberspace pursuing all the actors I adore. I can prove it with the bags under my eyes.I make my rounds and now it's time for Colin. Then I'll move on and then come back to him again. It's a big rotation. My new addition is Toby Stephens and who knows who will be n xt. Probably another Brit. Don't go for too many Americans these days. Alicia, keep on droolin'!

Claudia, I guess having only sons I didn't give much thought to the young girl other than I wished it was me there instead of her. But I'm glad you agree about our (Oh, you take my breath away) Colin! Marcia, Cheating? I don't think so, its just another enhancement, another form of arousal except its mental instead of physical. I don't remember the exact number but I read somewhere that a large percentage of successful, satisfying, just plain HOT lovemaking is in your head. Although I haven't exactly discussed it with my husband, I really, really don't think he minds abit. In fact, I know he doesn't! I don't think he wants to "look a gift horse in the mouth". As for which way I like my Colin best ANY WHICH WAY!!! Clothed, unclothed, smiling, serious, arrogant, pleasant, sitting, lying down, dry, WET,WET,WET(especially good one)standing still, walking, on horseback(OH my, yes). I could go on and on. And I haven't even mentioned what his voice does to me!! When I am able to express myself in a more genteel manner I will attempt that one! Yeah right, there's nothing genteel about my thoughts and feelings about Colin! I even shock myself sometimes!! I'm blushing right now. I'm about to have complete meltdown! Hmmm, I wonder what my husband is doing right now? I'll talk to you gals, later...

Good to hear! I read somewhere it was more like 90% in the mind - and I had a really serious attack last evening of which my husband was the happy beneficiary. It's all that repression!!!....Whew.... He is still offering to buy me a full set so I can get even more repression cut by A&E's wretched ads. I'm presently working on my next serious repression....it works wonders for everybody involved! I highly recommend it. I am sure, btw, that it isn't a "good thing" to check it out with your husband. ust gaze glazedly into his eyes for a few long moments....! Someone has mention his long legs....ah yes! They will do just fine. I can imagine how they'd wrap around and clasp....anything he wanted to ride! And how do I like him? Is there ANY way to not like him? Nevah! Not for me. Not in this lifetime. He is absolutely enchanting wet and wetter yet. The director allowed us all to participate - each in our own way....yes, wet anytime. But, I don't think I'll try that here. Did once and nearly froze! Gads, I wish I could say what I'm feeling, but this is the public I am writing to, and they should not know everything! You droolers know exactly what I am feeling =) Ahhhhhhhh! The voice. How could anyone who looks like *that* Sound that great? His voice.... I have the same problem here. The old visceral urges just at the sound of it - even being arogant. He sounds soooooooooo gooooooood! Very primal - nothing genteel about it! Melt down time!

Marcia, you posted your question on one of the other boards, but since I am here.... as far as I am concerned, yes, the real life holds me in it's cold, painful, merciless grip. But I lurk, I need it! And I rely on you all, to keep the Spring steaming hot, that I may find it the right temperature when I get back! Which reminds me of Richard Courtois, as he went into the public bath house ..... just imagine you could have been one of the ladies to join him in the pool - oh, where was I ....... oh, yes, I k ow..... keep up the high drool level! It's a delight listening to you! And Claudia, as for downloading of pics, have you ever tried the other mouse button? It took me month's to find it out :-)).

Great Story Alert I know alot of us have been keeping up with Fanfic at RoP. For those who haven't, Lisa C., who has been writing "The Trip", a current day version of P&P, is planning an e-mail version (a/k/a doesn't meet the high moral standards of RoP) of a wedding night for Darcy and Lizzy. She won't be continuing until December, when her exams are over, but her stories are great! E-mail her to get on her list of recipients. Also, why were some of the juicy stories in this web site deleted? I know that one author wanted it to disappear because a simple Alta Vista search on her name led to her story(!), but why not just post the stories without their real names? People could just have aliases. Circle of Friends Saw some "Darcy" moments in this video: - Nan:"This is my first time. Do you mind?" CF: "Not at all." The way he said this really reminded me of how he said the same line when Darcy was at the Inn at Lambton. - When his mother(?) was going over the list of girls, commenting on their looks and money, CF gives her an appalled look and walks away. Reminds me of the look Darcy had when appalled by the Bennet family's behavior at the Neth. Ball, or when Mrs. B contradicts D when she comes to visit Jane sick at Neth. Favorite line from movie: Eve: "OK, I'll hold it, but don't expect me to jiggle it around, understand?" I didn't realize that Andrew Davies did the screenplay on this. Another problem Sometimes, when someone posts a picture, all I see is a small box with a ? and 2 triangles in it. Why would that be? I use Netscape 3.0, if that matters. I know it happens when I check out the archives here; I'd have to double-ck to see if it happens in the active pages. An Interesting Web Site Saw on article in today's Wall St. Journal (p. B1) about "a movie-industry web site that has developed a fanatical following among Hollywood insiders and movie fans." It's www.aint-it-cool-news.com. Checked for things re: CF, but nothing yet. They're still working on the search function. Actually, it doesn't seem that CF's stuff is really "Hollywood", but, for what it's worth. Plus, the web master lives in Austin, TX. Isn't that home of Spring? This guy sounds great; he gets hundreds of e-mails a d y, from grips, prod. asstants, etc.

Aloha Renate! It is a real joy to hear from you, since yours were some of the Firthst comments I read when I found the Spring which hit me where I live. I promise to do my utmost to keep the spring steaming and to Firthilize it regularly with musing from my Firthilizer ( somewhere between my head and my heels wherein lies the OooooH's and Squinges I get for The Man.

To my dear British droolers, my nephew is attending the University at Hull for a year. He arrived there Sept. 16th. I asked (actually, I commanded) him to find me anything about Colin, magazines, books, posters, pictures, videos. He's been there two months now and tells me he hasn't found anything yet! Is that possible? I realize he's only 19 years old and has other things on his mind but could it be that difficult to find something of my precious Colin? So, I would greatly appreciate it if one of y u could tell me where I should send him to look. He'll be coming home for the Christmas holidays and I told the poor boy, for his own health and safety, he better bring me something! I'm particularly interested in videos that are not available in the U.S. but really anything will do. OK, here's a thought to keep a smile on your face all day. Colin baby on horseback, his legs(clothed in tight-fitting light colored breeches) flexed,so as to see every line and contour, pressing against that most fortunate horse. He sits high and nobly in his saddle, a saddle that cradles the very essence of my dreams. Maybe he'll shift alittle to the right and then alittle to the left, there, that's it, Oh, yeah that's it! Now hold on tight Colin, my love, as we, I mean, as you go up&down and up&down and up&down... OOOH, that's soooo nice!!!

Talking about racy and too hot... ask Lisa for a copy of The Experiment and Darcy's Diary...

THINGS TO BUY IN HULL Kath, I hope your nephew is enjoying life in Hull - he's probably very busy! Actually he's probably right in saying that he's not found anything yet - it's certainly been quiet on the Colin front in terms of magazine coverage etc. for the last couple of months. But videos available (in W H Smiths or somewhere similar) should include Fever Pitch, Nostromo and The English Patient.. all in VHS PAL format of course. I don't think format is as much of a problem as I thought it was. I've nerver seen Valmont and so (in desperation at the long bleak spell before ATA and The World of Moss comes out!) I'm ordering it from Critics Choice in the US and have found a video firm locally who will convert it to PAL for me for under �25, which I thought was worth paying! Not as expensive as I thought. You could ask your nephew to buy a few books for you from his local Waterstones. Helen Fielding "Bridget Jones Diary" (Picador) (to be made into a movie in which Colin will, I think, appear) Denis Forman "Son of Adam" (Abacus Books). World of Moss is based on this. Sue Birtwistle "The Making of Pride and Prejudice" BBC/Penguin You may well have all these, of course!BTW I did see somewhere on the Internet (in Dejanews (Colin Firth), under the item titled 1998)that there is a Colin calendar available in the US (not in Hull!)for next year!!

Bethan,Bethan,Oh please, oh please tell me more about this COLIN calendar! I must have it! Tell me exactly what I must do, where I must go, to the ends of the earth if I must! OK, I'm overreacting abit, but seriously where on the Internet will I find it?

NEW DROOL All new droolees...please keep it up!! Great fun to read :-). I'm always at risk of having my sons reading over my shoulder, so my contributions are very circumspect (dull!!). But I lurk vicariously!! CIRCLE OF FRIENDS Claudia, I've always rather liked Colin in this! I thought I was the only one! I like the way he says "not at all" and the way he sits on the bed without taking off his socks. And the way he kisses Nan as they go into the cottage.. oh so sweet! But then I'm biased - I'd like him in anything! (I even like his moustache!) ATA/BAD REVIEWS Colin and Hollywood.. I still feel really MIFFED that Colin was only "window dressing" in ATA (although I've not seen it yet). Just can't understand why Hollywood don't realise his potential. But yet when I read the reviews of Hollywood movies opening over here, two things strike me - I can't think of one recent movie which would have been a suitable vehicle for Colin (I can't imagine him killing anyone or being in a violent action movie for example). And also all Hollywood movies (with the exception of L Confidential) seem to get indifferent to bad, really bad reviews. The reviews for GI Jane were REALLY, REALLY BAD, .. makes ATA look marvellous by comparison. But no doubt GI Jane, unlike ATA, will be a major SUCCESS! Why?!!

"Circle of Friends" is my least favorite Colin film. I had thought the first time I saw my sumptuous Colin was in P&P2. I was reading an article about him and they mentioned he was in "Circle of Friends", I thought, No way, what character I would have remembered him I'm sure. So, I went out and rented the video. I was so disappointed when I realized what part he played. I absolutely hate Simon Westward! He is such a cad and a wimp, too! Nothing honorable about in the least. I own the tape now beca se I'm building a Colin film library, I hope to have them all someday, but I never watch it. It pains me to see my Colin act like that, he's my love, my dream, my hero, the fantasy fulfilling master of my heart and soul! Oh please, let's not talk about Simon Westward again. Although I must commend my beloved Colin on his acting in that part, he certainly portrayed that miserable character brilliantly. We all know what a stretch it was for him. So out of his realm of the perfect man.

(Kath) I'm sorry it took me so long to get here. I�m glad you stuck with us through all the posting problems. I�m enjoying your enthusiasm very much ;-) No, I haven't called, yelled or screamed out Colin's name yet! Notice she says �yet� ladies :-p (Marcia) Just about the time I begin to feel warped and jaded with my constant Firthilizing, some lurkers come out of the beyond and give voice to what has happened the first time one of us (ME~!) Isn�t it great to be among the kindred ;-) CLOTHED OR NEKKID (Marcia) To me it is just plain embarassing for me to see him naked to the world where everyone can see him doing It. I much prefer the gauzy, ocean-crashing, sweeping music. The I can close my eyes and I am there! Foreplay is great, but no Doing It for me (to watch!). LOL! I have to be honest here...doesn�t bother me in the least. As long as I don�t feel like he�s being degraded (like in the wretched �P� movie). My husband is thrilled with the smouldering repressed feelings in the movie because I take out my frustrations on him and it is GoooooooooooD! But, I never pretend it is Firth rather than a dear understanding husband. (That's sort of like cheating, isn't it?) LMAO! What your husband doesn�t know won�t hurt him. Especially because he benefits by it ;-p THE FICKLE WOMEN OF FIRTH (Alicia) I wish I can stick with one obsession. I have too many. It'd make my life a lot easier if I only stuck with Colin. But my hormones won't allow it so I have my own personal little library of fixations. I�m with you pal. I don�t feel in the slightest bit guilty because I find several men just as attractive as Colin. In fact, while many of you have Colin wallpaper, I have my big brute. But my sounds are all Colin. Why can�t I have both? As Marilyn says, just get a bigger tub! ;-) DEEP IN THE THROES (Kath) As for which way I like my Colin best ANY WHICH WAY!!! Clothed, unclothed, smiling, serious, arrogant, pleasant, sitting, lying down, dry, WET,WET,WET(especially good one)standing still, walking, on horseback(OH my, yes). I could go on and on. Please do dear, you have me LMAO ;-D Personally I prefer the very clean, short-haired Colin (Femme Fatale, Wings of Fame, etc.) or the drippy, clingy-shirted Darcy all WET, WET, WET (Oh where is Megan for this?) And I haven't even mentioned what his voice does to me!! Well then I think you need to dear...don�t mince words, tell us how you really feel ;-p (Marcia) He is still offering to buy me a full set so I can get even more repression cut by A&E's wretched ads. And you haven�t taken him up on it yet? ;-) (Renate) as far as I am concerned, yes, the real life holds me in it's cold, painful, merciless grip. But I lurk, I need it! Oh, me too honey. It�s been very difficult to get into drooling mode while the real world has been demanding all my attention ;-( Great Story Alert (Claudia) I know alot of us have been keeping up with Fanfic at RoP. For those who haven't, Lisa C., who has been writing "The Trip", a current day version of P&P, is planning an e-mail version (a/k/a doesn't meet the high moral standards of RoP) of a wedding night for Darcy and Lizzy. She won't be continuing until December, when her exams are over, but her stories are great! E-mail her to get on her list of recipients. Just so you don�t go searching for the rest of the story at RoP, Lisa requested that it be removed so that she could work on it some more. But she may still be emailing it--I don�t know. (Claudia) Also, why were some of the juicy stories in this web site deleted? I know that one author wanted it to disappear because a simple Alta Vista search on her name led to her story(!), but why not just post the stories without their real names? People could just have aliases. They certainly could use aliases--I�m not sure why they don�t. To answer your question, any story that has been removed was done so at the request of the author. Circle of Friends Favorite line from movie: Eve: "OK, I'll hold it, but don't expect me to jiggle it around, understand?" LOL! I�m not overly fond of this movie (having nothing to do with Colin�s smarmy character), but I do thank them for the �Nan, oh Nan� line. I think I should sample that and make it my mail notification sound...whaddya think?;-) Another problem (Claudia) Sometimes, when someone posts a picture, all I see is a small box with a ? and 2 triangles in it. Why would that be? I use Netscape 3.0, if that matters. I know it happens when I check out the archives here; I'd have to double-ck to see if it happens in the active pages. It�s not you, that means there is something wrong with either the syntax when it was posted or the link to the photo. If it�s only happening with the archives I imagine that the links to those photos no longer exist. In Netscape that would show up as a broken photo with a question mark in it. In Explorer it�s just a little box with a red �x� in it. Have you checked the active boards yet for the same thing? CAMILLE A good pal was nice enough to let me borrow her copy of Camille, which I am very much looking forward to watching, even if it stinks. I don't expect much (i'm sure it's not "La Traviata") so I don't think I'll be very disappointed. SPRING CLEANING Someone made a suggestion that it would be easier to follow conversations if there were additional Colin boards with more specific topics. For example a board just to discuss Darcy, a board just for Valmont, a board just for his thighs (;-p) or whatever. What do you think? Will this help you or just be more confusing because we'd have too many topics? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Either way, I'll be retiring some of those dead topics which just take up space. This won't happen until sometime d ring the week of November 24. Let me know what you think.

The Colin Calendar I second the request for more info. I'd love to have this! Circle of Friends I really liked this film and thought CF did a great job, but I don't like him much with a mustache. For me, his hair needs to be a little long -- not too long or it's too curly -- a little mussed, and the face cleanshaven. Simon was smarmy, but it's surprising to me how often I hear how awful he is without also hearing how awful Nan is. He didn't rape her, ya know -- she played him like a violin. She set him up, she used him, and when her scheme didn't work and he wasn't willing to fall into her trap, she moved on to ruining her best friend's chance for happiness by screwing, both literally and figuratively, that friend's boyfriend and then setting him up. Just who was the real villain here? No offense, real Nan! And just who is this big brute on your wallpaper? Separate Colin Boards It might be interesting to do this here for a while and just see how much traffic each gets. That could be a determining factor. R of P and Spring Admittedly, I don't get in here that much, but I didn't realize the R of P was getting trashed. I started out here at the Spring, transferred over to Pemberley, and came right back here with Drool. I still like to play in both playgrounds by whatever rules are laid down for us. I'm sure I don't say it often enough, but I really appreciate all the hard work going on behind the scenes in both places.

So many goodies to respond to...and I still haven't had the time to check out the bullet and i for italics. Sorry. Tomorrow. Nan! My favorite place to get elevated and educated is RoP and I would miss them sorely if they werent there. They are a tremendous resource of things Austen and have my greatest respect and gratitude. Back to why I am *here*. Glorious Drool (and we know whose eyes are peering through those oo's.) May I be an inanimate object? I'd like to be his saddle. Any time. All of the time he's using it. back'n'forth, up'n'down, front'n'back...I'll bring the lubricant to keep our gentleman from chafing...It'd be like being his personal "jewel" box....which makes me think of...(let me turn on the fan! Whew!) They DO have fitted jewel boxes, don't they?! That's me!!! And, your next million can be had for the invention of a Virtual Colin who can assume whichever character you're in the mood for. Then people like me who don't *mind* the man nekkid...I just don't like to share him....can have him that way. Dear Husband, that is what I want, but will take you up on any Firthly offer you'd care to make. And, just between us (no one but us ever see these, Right?) I have thought of Him on occasion...lots of occasions....LOTS of the time...UMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

I've been trying to put my thoughts and emotions into words concerning Colin's voice and its effect on me. I am at a loss. Its such a glorious reaction. I would like you all to do a little experiment with me. Close your eyes(after you read this, of course), imagine you're in some secluded spot like a private beach or remote mountaintop, you're sitting all alone watching a beautiful sunset when all of a sudden someone comes up behind you and puts his hands over your eyes. He whispers, "Guess who?" Th re's no mistaken who's voice it is! He says your name lovingly and longingly(dearest, loveliest_____), then proceeds to kiss your neck and shoulders, his hands are now running through your hair and then he whispers in your ear exactly what he'd like to do to you right then and there!! OK, tell me your physical reaction. I'll be back in a minute, I have to go and change an article of my clothing. BTW, in my fantasy he does do IT right then and there!

You and every one else in this drool conference topic have just changed the same article of clothing - and this has become routine precaution: have extras handy because the feeling you evoked proceeds directly from the eyes, by-passes the brain's reasoning center, and heads straight south. Will pulsations do for my reaction. (NOT in my wrists!) If no one gets more graphic I shall continue...but I know there are gifted and lusty ladies out there primed for this situation. Great topic!!! ... where IS that husband of mine.....

There's no mistaken who's voice it is! He says your name lovingly and longingly ..then proceeds to kiss your neck and shoulders, his hands are now running through your hair and then he whispers in your ear exactly what he'd like to do to you right then and there!! ... I'll be back in a minute, I have to go and change an article of my clothing. BTW, in my fantasy he does do IT right then and there! ...the feeling you evoked proceeds directly from the eyes, by-passes the brain's reasoning center, and heads straight south. Where IS that husband of mine.. Yes, and let's get right to the point; no further foreplay needed .....

I'm afraid we are all primed and ready for whatever His voice requests....we have been for a long time and now breathlessly await His desire...No winning over the enemy here! I am ready and eager to capitulate. Shall I assume the position? This is the best way to spend Monday I've ever found. With good companions and CF!

Spring Cleaning Someone made a suggestion that it would be easier to follow conversations if there were additional Colin boards with more specific topics. For example a board just to discuss Darcy, a board just for Valmont, a board just for his thighs (;-p) or whatever. What do you think? Will this help you or just be more confusing because we'd have too many topics? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. I don't think it would be a good idea to have too many CF topics, as topics such as thighs would be brought up in other topics/movies. If anything, I could see one topic for Darcy Drooling and another for general CF drooling. RoP I went through the last 90 posts and could not see how anything was construed as trashing RoP. Anything mentioned was meant seriously, e.g., their having high moral standards (because of NetNanny, which I most thoroughly learned recently), and was not at all meant to trash them. Gosh, I just LOVE RoP and the first things I do as soon as I get on my computer is check out FanFic and the status of the "Darcy at the Pond" graphic at the top of the P&P page. I most ardently regret that I didn't disco er these sites until 2 months ago, long after the Pond moved to the Spring. There was such heavy-duty Darcy drooling going on amongst so many participants, which I could tell from the parts of it kept in the archives. I am most seriously jealous! Having Drool separate from RoP seems natural to me. Once a person understands how the "rating" systems work (PG-13 vs. non-PG-13), it makes perfect sense and is appreciated especially by those of us that have younger children.

Would you just look at this man...;-)...

... Yes, even the best, expensive clothes by Armani hang on him like a sack...;-) Love it! RoP I suspect that Nan's very serious tirade above might be a result of my occasional jokes re "having been evicted...". I am sorry that you take the flak, Nan, but I really don't intend to keep apologizing for having a sense of humour which is not to everyone's taste.

OH MY GOD!, Nan, where is that picture from? I'm dying here! I've been staring at his divine face and body for over 15 minutes now, indulging in the moist and magical sensations they cause. Its absolutely amazing, as the picture scrolled up on my screen the reaction was instantaneous. I was a gushing mass of desire! Nan Oh Nan, I can't print the picture! Help! I can't sit here staring at my computer screen all night. I've printed your other magnificent pictures, why can't I get this one?

...Thank you, Nan!....Monday has been a Very Good Day, and what a way to end it! Kathleen, I'm using Netscape. If you are and have saved it with your right-side mouse button, open the file bring up the image....and when you can tear yourself away from it hilight the Print option. (Turn on your printer first) Then wait for him to show up!

CIRCLE OF FRIENDS (Susan) Simon was smarmy, but it's surprising to me how often I hear how awful he is without also hearing how awful Nan is. He didn't rape her, ya know -- she played him like a violin...(snip) Just who was the real villain here? No offense, real Nan! LOL! No offense taken dear. She was a wicked, evil creature (even if her name was Nan...) ;-p And just who is this big brute on your wallpaper? Answer your question? :-p Separate Colin Boards (Susan) It might be interesting to do this here for a while and just see how much traffic each gets. That could be a determining factor. (Claudia) I don't think it would be a good idea to have too many CF topics, as topics such as thighs would be brought up in other topics/movies. If anything, I could see one topic for Darcy Drooling and another for general CF drooling. I agree that a board for thighs is, perhaps, a little extreme ;-) The person who suggested it thought that it would make it easier to follow the flow of a conversation, plus we wouldn't have to do all that bolding and italicizing to make sense. I certainly see her point. It's a good suggestion. Either way, this board is a getting a little large for my comfort level (I'm afraid of the Ghost of Count Almasy). Maybe we should continue general CF conversations on topic #59 starting next week and set up a few more categories to see how it goes. We can always get rid of them if it doesn't work. (Kath) then he whispers in your ear exactly what he'd like to do to you right then and there!! OK, tell me your physical reaction. I'll be back in a minute, I have to go and change an article of my clothing. (Marcia) Great topic!!! ... where IS that husband of mine..... (Claudia)...the feeling you evoked proceeds directly from the eyes, by-passes the brain's reasoning center, and heads straight south. Where IS that husband of mine... ROTFLMAO!! Kath, I don't know if you realize how hysterically funny (and accurate) you are! ;-.D I just love a dirty talkin' man! Where is that guy I met at the bar last week... RoP (Arami) I suspect that Nan's very serious tirade above might be a result of my occasional jokes re "having been evicted...". I am sorry that you take the flak, Nan, but I really don't intend to keep apologizing for having a sense of humour which is not to everyone's taste. No one is looking for an apology...least of all me. Call your comments "jokes", if it gives you comfort. I consider many Pemberley dwellers my friends and I will continue to defend them, just as I have defended you. There's nothing more for me to say about this subject on this board. Since you are email-shy, I suppose that we will both just have to continue to misunderstand eachother. Oh well, that's always been the nature of our relationship anyway...;-p THE PRETTY PICTURE (Kath) OH MY GOD!, Nan, where is that picture from? UK Vogue, April 97. Lovely, yes? I'm dying here! I've been staring at his divine face and body for over 15 minutes now, indulging in the moist and magical sensations they cause. Oooh a WET reference ;-p Nan Oh Nan, I can't print the picture! Help! I can't sit here staring at my computer screen all night. I've printed your other magnificent pictures, why can't I get this one? Oh honey, I don't know. But your anguished plea is too much for me to bear, so I'm emailing it to you. Hold on, you poor feverish dear, I'm on the way...:-)

'Tis too much, Nan!! First the lovely "UK Vogue" Colin, then you splash that oh-so-beautiful Messier beast across our screens!! What's next? "Crash" in a tub??? Brendan swinging from a vine??? Ahhhh...thank you, dearest!! ;-) By the way, isn't it about time for another movie discussion? We've covered Nan's favorite (LOL!) and Valmont, what next?? Have we done Femme Fatale? Kath, Marcia, and Claudia...the Spring has gotten WET, WET, WET since your arrival--thanks for the many yucks!! ;-)

BRUTE then you splash that oh-so-beautiful Messier beast across our screens!! Marilyn! Wouldn't you know that it'd take a pictue of Mess to get you to post ;-p Don't go there honey...he's mine ;-D We've missed you! What's next? "Crash" in a tub??? Oh if I could only find one! Go check out the Costner topic...me and Charlotte are slipping on the drool-slicked floor. As you can see, I put your article to good use ;-) MOVIE DISCUSSION (Marilyn) By the way, isn't it about time for another movie discussion? We've covered Nan's favorite (LOL!) and Valmont, what next?? Have we done Femme Fatale? I'm okay with FF. I think we should hold off until next week, after I've done the Spring cleaning. I'll start a board for the movie discussions.

Seperate Colin boards (Nan) I'm okay with FF. I think we should hold off until next week, after I've done the Spring cleaning. I'll start a board for the movie discussions. Nan, can you read my mind? I just wanted to suggest a board for the movie discussions. Since I'm still missing the threads I appreciate different boards. Let's try and see how it works. BTW, the last time I've seen the ghost of Count Almasy he was lying on a large heap of stolen letters and broken sentences desperately struggling to free himself from a large bar on his chest consisting of the letters olin_Firt crying "I shall conquer this, I shall!" We have to keep an eye on him! The Advocate After watching The Advocate I'm growing quite fond of Colin's not clean shaven appearence as in Fever Pitch. But he looks so thin in that one! Especially in those large boots! Circle of Friends When I watched CofF for the first time I was astonished how this attractive, sweet, cute, gorgeous looking, sexy ,....(insert your favorite adjectives here) man manages to look so unattractive and fishy, that's acting ability I think.

My Colin film library is coming along quite nicely. I now own 10 films: P&P2 Playmaker Femme Fatale The Advocate Circle of Friends Nostromo Apartment Zero A Month in the Country Valmont Wings of Fame I have "Hostages" on order and my nephew hopefully will get "Fever Pitch" for me for Christmas while he's in England. I watch a film depending on my mood (usually horny). I most times start out with P&P2. Darcy drives me wild so, when I can't take it anymore and I just have to see him naked, I put on "Playmaker"(I know, I know) or "Valmont, Femme Fatale" or "The Advocate". I fast forward and rewind to my heart's (and you know whatelse's) content. I love to see him lying in bed, the sex is nice to wat h its like I have to watch it just to get to that point of satisfaction, but seeing him lying in bed, I imagine myself in the afterglow with Colin snuggling with me, naked of course, his broad beautiful chest against my back so I can feel his heart beating. His strong smooth arms engulfing me while his divinely masterful hands caress my breasts. His long muscular legs are entwined with mine and his gorgeous face and sweet breath are on my neck. Oh, to sleep in such an embrace! Can you just imagine it! Believe it or not, but I really only started out to tell you about my library. I got to thinking about the films and got carried away. The thought of my sweet, sweet Colin does it to me everytime. I have become so amorous (OK, horny) that my poor darling husband can get no rest neither night or day!!

LOL! Kath, I just don't know what else to say to you. I'm LMAO over here ;-D

Thanks, Kath, for saying what we just dare to think. My cpu is already smouldering and two floppies melted. Keep it coming.....

Kath, now that is what I call REALLY DROOLING! Keep it up girl, I am using your fantasy ...Ahhh me and Darcy in a big fluffy canopied bed with his soft, fluffy shirt hanging over the end of the bed and his boots dropped on the floor because he couldn't wait to get into bed naked with me!

I think I've finally cracked-up! I was looking at my husband across the dinner table last night and he had a certain expression on his face. He reminded me of Colin! Now, my husband, God bless him, does not look like Colin. He has blonde hair, blue eyes and a full beard. But he had this look in his eyes that actually made my heart skip a beat. Losing one's mind isn't all bad, I guess, if I start to see Colin everywhere I look. Who would have thought insanity was such bliss!

Kathleen, what about a bit of fanfiction? Pretending to be Samira, Maria, Mme de Tourvel, the other Mme or Cecile, Lisa..............

I guess most of you visit RoP now and then, and perhaps you have seen the following. It promises some fun, IMO: *S* . This sign that I used is just an action thing that is quite often seen in the CP's. (chatrooms, I suppose, R.) *_____* mean that you are doing an action. *S* means that you are smiling. *T* is: I am typing this message. *k* is: I am kidding.... Let me hear girls, which actions YOU are taking *...?....*

*F...f...f...* for goodness' sake, ladies it's like in an oven here!

...there, too? In Hawaii we start the day steamy and work from there to sultry to sexy then to a carpentry objext *S_________*

Oh, my dear Arami, goodness as nothing to do with it! Its more like a sauna here, I like my fantasies to be hot and wet, oh yeah, real wet and steamy and wet and sweaty and wet and wet and Oh, please somebody stop me!! I'm *C* right through my jeans!!!

WEARING HIP WADERS How on earth am I going to catch up on 75+ drools on this topic alone!!!! Well, I've spun them off to disk and will review them at home...at my leisure. Sounds like a lot more people have joined in and that Femme Fatale is our next cinema treat. How nice, because mine just showed up in the mail. However, it has tracking problems and will have to be replaced. But, I can make out enough to comment on the action!! ;-p BTW, I looked for the hint of blue and couldn't find it. Need directions. BEEP, BEEP, WARNING Nan, why didn't you warn me??? I also received "Apartment Zero." Creepy. Not the Colin we've been drooling over. It came in the mail about an hour before I left town, so what did I do???? I ripped it open and put it into the old VCR and, boy, did I get a surprise. Fortunately, I had an 11 hour plane ride with ongoing access to TEP for the entire time. (The other movie choices didn't interest me in the least.) So, I probably watched TEP about 4-5 times; only the first time in its entirety. The oth r times only for CF scenes. Well, my opinion of RF hasn't changed one iota: he's a beady eyed, pencil-legged lizard. However, my view of CF's role has changed a bit. I noted quite a change in his character when he is "on the job." When he's with her or just being the husband, it hurts to watch him play the buffoon. But at the office, he's soooo much more palatable!!! You may add that word to our growing vocabulary of edible synonyms!!! Anyway, I'm pretty well TEP'd out. If and when it shows up on cable, I'm only going to do a "Best Of" tape and you know who will be on it. I don't think I can bear having to watch the whole movie again...but it did make the flight go much quicker!!! HOUSE CLEANING I hope that doesn't mean that any of the posts will be removed??? I better read fast.

THE NEW TREND (Renate) I guess most of you visit RoP now and then, and perhaps you have seen the following. It promises some fun, IMO: (snip) *T* is: I am typing this message. *k* is: I am kidding.... Let me hear girls, which actions YOU are taking *...?....* Oh Renate this is really dangerous--I love it! :-D I intend to use it often as the mood strikes me... Oh, please somebody stop me!! I'm *C* right through my jeans!!! You're killin' me here! ;-D WEARING HIP WADERS (Karen) How on earth am I going to catch up on 75+ drools on this topic alone!!!! Welcome back, dear. As you can see we're moving right along. Remind me to send A&E a thank you note for that rebroadcast--they've sent us some hysterically funny new droolers :-) BTW, I looked for the hint of blue and couldn't find it. Need directions. When they roll off the bed and onto the floor, in the bottom left corner you can see that he is wearing something blue :-( BEEP, BEEP, WARNING Nan, why didn't you warn me??? I also received "Apartment Zero." Creepy. Sorry, I thought you knew he was a little left of center in that one. It is creepy, but I liked it anyway and thought Colin was really very good. He does have a knack for playing rather, er...offbeat roles (okay, kooks) doesn't he? Not the Colin we've been drooling over. It came in the mail about an hour before I left town, so what did I do???? I ripped it open and put it into the old VCR and, boy, did I get a surprise. Completely different Colin than the one we talk about. Then again, that versatility is part of his charm (though not the part on which I'm concentrating at present) ;-p TEP (Karen) Well, my opinion of RF hasn't changed one iota: he's a beady eyed, pencil-legged lizard. Oh well, you say tomato...;-) When he's with her or just being the husband, it hurts to watch him play the buffoon. Strange. I've heard others use the word "buffoon" when describing the character of GC, but I've never really felt that way myself. Yes, the singing makes me a little squeamish, but it was necessary to help the audience feel sympathy for KC's upcoming affair. I was more upset after the Santa scene. Poor man ;-( HOUSE CLEANING (Karen) I hope that doesn't mean that any of the posts will be removed??? I better read fast. Not to worry, I wouldn't dare touch the Colin topics, but I will add some more. I think we should retire only the topics which haven't had any action since last Spring. If there's anything that someone wants to keep (or add) just let me know.

TEP (Karen) Well, my opinion of RF hasn't changed one iota: he's a beady eyed, pencil-legged lizard. Nan) Oh well, you say tomato...;-) Now, are you sure that isn't a Long Island potato? Of course, CF has no bananas today. Last one I saw him with was when he was roaming the streets of London in search of Lydia and Wickham!!! And it was soooo carefully hidden!! ;-p When he's with her or just being the husband, it hurts to watch him play the buffoon. (Nan) Strange. I've heard others use the word "buffoon" when describing the character of GC, but I've never really felt that way myself. I should know this movie by heart now, but I think that Katherine says something to that effect to RF when they are looking at the stars. She says he's not really a buffoon, that he's not a photographer, etc. And RF asks her if the marriage is a fake...something like that. Yes, the singing makes me a little squeamish, but it was necessary to help the audience feel sympathy for KC's upcoming affair. I was more upset after the Santa scene. Poor man ;-( In the car....by far, worse and sadder than Santa. Of course, it was nice having Colin at my beck and call for all that time. Kinda compensated for having to watch that other one through most of the movie. TEP (Karen) Well, my opinion of RF hasn't changed one iota: he's a beady eyed, pencil-legged lizard. Oh well, you say tomato...;-) When he's with her or just being the husband, it hurts to watch him play the buffoon. Strange. I've heard others use the word "buffoon" when describing the character of GC, but I've never really felt that way myself. Yes, the singing makes me a little squeamish, but it was necessary to help the audience feel sympathy for KC's upcoming affair. I was more upset after the Santa scene. Poor man ;-( HOUSE CLEANING (Nan) Not to worry, I wouldn't dare touch the Colin topics, but I will add some more. More!! In addition to 53 and 59??? This is getting so confusing. My head hurts. ;-p

TEP (Karen) Well, my opinion of RF hasn't changed one iota: he's a beady eyed, pencil-legged lizard. Nan) Oh well, you say tomato...;-) Now, are you sure that isn't a Long Island potato? Of course, CF has no bananas today. Last one I saw him with was when he was roaming the streets of London in search of Lydia and Wickham!!! And it was soooo carefully hidden!! ;-p When he's with her or just being the husband, it hurts to watch him play the buffoon. (Nan) Strange. I've heard others use the word "buffoon" when describing the character of GC, but I've never really felt that way myself. I should know this movie by heart now, but I think that Katherine says something to that effect to RF when they are looking at the stars. She says he's not really a buffoon, that he's not a photographer, etc. And RF asks her if the marriage is a fake...something like that. Yes, the singing makes me a little squeamish, but it was necessary to help the audience feel sympathy for KC's upcoming affair. I was more upset after the Santa scene. Poor man ;-( In the car....by far, worse and sadder than Santa. Of course, it was nice having Colin at my beck and call for all that time. Kinda compensated for having to watch that other one through most of the movie. HOUSE CLEANING (Nan) Not to worry, I wouldn't dare touch the Colin topics, but I will add some more. More!! In addition to 53 and 59??? This is getting so confusing. My head hurts. ;-p

Whoops!!!! Sorry about that mess. Hit Control-C one too many times and thenm a double post. I must be really rusty!!

HOUSE CLEANING (Nan) Not to worry, I wouldn't dare touch the Colin topics, but I will add some more. (Karen) More!! In addition to 53 and 59??? This is getting so confusing. My head hurts. ;-p Actually we're hoping to decrease the confusion by breaking up the topics (Darcy Drool, Movie Discussions, General Colin, etc...) It can always be changed if it doesn't work. There are a nice (and lusty) group of us now so I feel sure that we'll be able to fill up just about any Colin topic :-)

Nan, is it possible to talk about Colin without drooling? I haven't seen any evidence of it. Three or four "serious" contributions will be entered then something sets someone else off on a prolonged drool....Our Man is just too delicious. Perhaps more than Darcy Drool (I go for that straight away!) how about Colin Drool?! I do believe I have progressed to where I want to see more of him in more things and fewer things...and you have provided me with the determination not to be left behind...Hmmmmmmmmm ..not a bad thought...See. it happens every time!

I can't keep up with all the postings! Great stuff! I was going to comment on Colin in heroic/non heroic roles, but now I can't even remember who said what (and it was only a couple of days ago!) Suffice to say, he has a very extensive range as an actor and if he is to explore that range, he must, of necessity, play roles that are less than heroic, more flawed. But I can always sympathise with the characters he plays - there's always some underlying decency and vulnerability. But (romantic fantasy) I woul love to see him play both Charles Darnay and the lookalike Sydney Carton in A Tale of Two Cities. Handsome aristocrat AND dissolute but ultimately noble (It is a far, far better thing that I do..)lawyer! Ye-s-s! Hollywood, do you hear me?!!! BRIDGET JONES' DIARY Renate, have you finished reading this yet? The story of Mark and Bridget is continuing in the Daily Telegraph (Helen Fielding has a new column) There was also an intervening year when she was writing in the Independent. So there's a lot more of Mark Darcy! Am probably getting carried away by enthusiasm here ( and the part will go to Hugh Grant, just to spite me!) but I think Colin will be an ideal Mark Darcy. If I can't have a replay of Mr Darcy, circa 1813, I'll settle for Mr Darcy, circa 1997( ie a rich handsome sexy barrister)!! Nan, many thanks for all the work you put in here. I've been meaning to thank you for ages!

It's hard not to be enthusiastic about Colin playing a modern Mr Darcy. About this project I'm feeling like Paul Ashworth during Arsenal v Liverpool trying to convince himself and the rest of the world that Arsenal has no chance to win and still hoping that they'll do. But Hugh Grant as Darcy - NEVER! This role must be played by the one and only Colin Firth. I started reading Bridget Jones' Diary a few days ago and imagine Colin wearing those bumblebee socks :-).

THE ENVIRONMENT TAKES A BIG HIT: DEFORESTATION CONTINUES Well, I couldn't wait to read the postings, so I printed them off so I could read them on my bus ride home. Hope the guy sitting next to me wasn't reading over my shoulder--although I did notice that the windows were getting a little steamed up. I attributed it to the cool weather outside and the hot bodies inside that were getting hotter and hotter as I turned the pages faster and faster... COLIN TO PLAY DARCY (Bethan) I think Mark Darcy is a very good role for CF...I look forward to seeing him as a smart, rich (but nice!) lawyer. I like him scruffy, but I am also quite partial to him in a dinner jacket! I look forward to seeing him, period. Remember, some of us sat through the ever-dismal ATA. Dinner jacket, sans dinner jacket. Clothed or nekkid...real or virtual...big screen or small screen...it's just seeing that face, watching that walk and and hearing that talk. AMITC (Claudia) cuteness is fine before age 35 (CF must have been about 27 when AMITC was made.) After that I find it's a turn-off... As Tina would say: "What's age got to do with it, got to do with it????" Cute is cute--regardless of age in my book. ;-)) BEYOND DESCRIPTION (Claudia) scrumptious...edible, yummy, and delectable I'm getting hungry. Try these out when you feel the need to expand your vocabulary: succulent, mouth-watering, tempting, tantalizing, provocative, full-bodied, lip-smacking. All courtesy of Mr. Roget. mmmm-good!! (courtesy of Campbell's Soups) (Nan) the ever popular "chocolate puddles" Yo, wadaminute!!! Is that variation on his pondlike eyes??? VALMONT (Claudia) I actually DID like this movie, except for...the main storyline (the idea of seducing the little girl before her wedding). LOL!!!! But it was a 1000x better than Dangerous Liaisons. I wish I had seen Valmont first. I saw DL first and was totally turned off to the story. At least with CF, it was plausible. BTW, I meant to bring this up before--does any one think that AB was wearing body stocking in her nude scenes. Looked that way to me, especially the first one with Jacour (sp??) when she is lying on the bed, then again in the bathtub. I know you all have eagle eyes...spotting all sorts of swatches of clothing that shouldn't be there!!! the aunt really did die shortly after the film Oh, that's too bad. I liked her in Jewel in the Crown. Elliot from ET!!...Wonder what he's doing now? Well, three years ago he was Brad Pitt's brother in "Legends of the Fall," the one who brings home Julia Ormand. Movie is on this Saturday night (11/22) for those who want to see a more mature version of the harp teacher. I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR HIM (Arami) Nowadays I seem to be the only Colin fan who doesn't care much about other actors. (Bethan) I am very telescopic in my obsession - only HIM! And I won't change my loyalties. (Claudia) You can include me in this boat (tub?), too. (Nan) I'm afraid that my affection for Colin doesn't dampen my hormonal urges when seeing other men. Since they are all unattainable anyway, I might as well wish big ;-p That's the ticket, Nan!!!! There are many I have and do admire and have fantasized over. But and this is a big BUT...CF is the only one that I have bothered to take the time todrool over on the Internet. Anybody want to talk about Timothy Dalton????? Devilishly handsome and another wonderful voice. Agewise, it's a better fit. Wouldn't feel like I was robbin' the cradle. Another wonderful actor who needs a better agent (The Beautician and the Beast--need I say more). HELLO...KATHLEEN!!! My, oh, my. Does the Spring have a catch basin??? After reading your firth and foremost testimonial or confession, I craved a cigarette--and I gave up smoking about 7 weeks ago!! Horny, you call us horny???? Naw!! This is just what happens when we see a pair of "fine eyes." And fine legs, and fine buttocks, and fine lips, and fine hands, and fine...OOOOhhh, where are those cigarettes?????. You described the process of falling for him. Mine was very different. At first, I was appalled at his portrayal of Darcy. All that smouldering in the corners. All that lurking and pacing and staring. Who did he think he was? Heathcliff? Like Arami, the wet shirt scene--nada, zippo. But he kept growing on me. That smouldering was catching. I would rewatch each of the segments and see the little expressions, the eye rolls, the tilts of the head, the smart-ass comments, his anger building up, and hey hooked me. He--better than any of the actors who have been in recent BBC, A&E, big screen, little screen adaptations of classics--has given the role a passionate center. The volcano within--ready to erupt!!! (Read that how ever you will ladies!!) ;-)) The caged animal. That's not to say that he's not easy on the eyes. ;-p Are you sure your husband wants you to let off steam this way?? Sharing with us? He may unplug your computer or at least cancel your ISP. Hope I'm not being too out of line with my licentious thoughts and comments... Not at all!! Speaking for myself, I'm loving it!! My dear, you have gone firth where no woman has gone before to a new Colin-y My smelling salts...I feel faint...perhaps, just dumb struck and awe inspired. Before I left, I was rethinking my participation in this board. I was actually feeling embarassed. Topic 51 had been branded as raunchy and 53 or 59 (whichever) was the "clean" drool board. That didn't sit well with me. Now, I see that the raunch has persevered. Hooray!! ROCK-LIKE THIGHS Nan, since you used this term to describe the wet shirt scene, could there be a topic devoted to it? HI STEPHANIE I believe the Netherfield Ball send me over the edge. As well it should have. Loved your Phantom references. But for me, it will always be the close up of their hands touching for the first time at the beginning of the dance. Chills and spills. Electricity!!! At least 5,000 watts. I have edited down my tape....no mother, no Mr. Collins, no Wickham And I thought I was good...taping without commercials!! ;-)) You have me beat, hands down! I was very disappointed with ATA....too bad they did not use his considerable talents. I saw some of "his considerable talents" from the waist up. But seriously, he did try. When his hand brushes across JL's back, I got all a-tingle. More, I wanted more. Can't wait to edit that movie down to its basics. SOUND FILES MarciaH: Now you've got my curiosity up. I've had sound files on my PC at work for a long time, although I never wanted to associate them with function. However, I think I've just got to download the ones on Marilyn's home page. Question: Who says "Come back to bed" Doesn't ring a bell. Not Darcy, surely!! Oh, yes, Nan. How could you pass up the opportunity to have a customized CF greeting for your mail notification. I just may have to change my name!!! FAV SCENES Between Valmont's dictation and butt nuzzling and FF's out of body facial expression, hmmmm that's a hard one. On the basis of eroticism, I'd vote for Valmont. For a face that says it all--the pain that love can bring ("you have to marry me"), La Femme it is. CF "barely" bares anything in FF as I recall. He's quite PG (waist up shots only); same as you'd see at a baseball game in the summer. BULGE CONTEST (Claudia) Where is that wardrobe person? You called?? Must be spending too much time on CF at the expense of the rest of the boys!! No such thing as "spending too much time on CF"!! ;-)) Remember, I'm a real hands-on person. I wouldn't want to delegate this to any of my assistants...they got to stuff the officers...hence, the cottage cheese look. BTW, the secret to good contours is bananas or sausages, or whatever is left over from breakfast or lunch!! CALENDAR Bethan: Must have, gotta have. Please find out where??? ATA/BAD REVIEWS (Bethan) I can't think of one recent movie which would have been a suitable vehicle for Colin. Maybe, there's hope for him in the Thanksgiving to New Year's period. The summer is testosterone film time in the U.S. The serious (nonaction) films are released during that 5-6 week period before the end of the calendar year, so that they will be fresh in people's minds for Oscar nominations. That IMO is the only reason that Fargo didn't win last year--it came out at the beginning of the year (March, I believe) and most people had forgotten about it and were brainwashed by all the publicity surroundi g TEP, which had Oscars written all over its broad cinematographic sweep. (I can't imagine him killing anyone or being in a violent action movie for example.) Me either. If, however, he does take one of those roles, he is going to have to work on his punching style. ;-)) Maybe Demi could give him pointers. THIGHS AND MORE THIGHS (Claudia) I don't think it would be a good idea to have too many CF topics such as thighs would be brought up in other topics/movies. LOL!!! Way tooooo sensible, Claudia!!! This bunch is oudda control!! Thighs forever, we salute you, especially those that are rock-hard. ;-p CRASH IN THE TUB I just may have to check u out your KC drool. With the exception of that Water movie last year, I've probably seen everything he's done (even Fandango). I'm having severe reservations about this "Postman" movie that's about to be released. Where is the good old Kevin of Bull Durham, the Untouchables, Field of Dreams fame? Saw the pix you've scanned in. Is Kev left handed, if you catch my drift???? KATH'S FILM LIB Oooh, I think you're going to love "Hostages." He looks really good in that one--even when he's all dirty and hairy. There's a little nekkidness for those of us who enjoy ;-)) that kind of thing, but mostly all he ever wears are some little loose gym shorts, low on the hip bone. I must admit, I kept wishing they would fall a little lower.....bad me. ;-p OK, Nan, you can slap me. Now, I feel better. I'm all caught up with this topic. Thank goodness for jet lag. Speaking of which, there is a downside. The day after I got home, I needed to watch the tapes I had ordered, one of which was the Advocate. I started, conked out and watched the rest the next morning. By the time I had finished, I was positive that the movie had been reedited. The bath house scene was missing, you know, bare butts in motion. I was really upset and ready to return the tape and trying to figure out ho I would get a hold of an older version. So I went to the video store and rented the Advocate and found the bath house scene. Went back to my tape and lo and behold it was there!! I had forgotten there were two bath house scenes. Guess, I must have taken a little nap during the first. Needed a little cock a doodle dooing to wake me up!!!

I've just ordered Bridget Jones' Diary from Waterstones. I cannot wait. I would die to see CF as an updated Darcy. I think I'll screen test for Bridget!!! Watching CF movies while horny, now there's a thought8-) NO HUGH GRANT AS DARCY!!! ugh!! I like HG but it certain roles.

THE EYES (Nan) the ever popular "chocolate puddles" (Karen) Yo, wadaminute!!! Is that variation on his pondlike eyes??? Howdya guess? ;-p VALMONT (Karen) BTW, I meant to bring this up before--does any one think that AB was wearing body stocking in her nude scenes. I hadn't noticed. While we're discussing it, can someone explain the purpose of body stockings? If it looks like you're nekkid, then why bother wearing it at all? OTHER OBJECTS OF DROOL (Karen) Anybody want to talk about Timothy Dalton????? Devilishly handsome and another wonderful voice. Yoo-hoo, Maaaarilyn...I think you've found a kindred spirit here ;-p Another wonderful actor who needs a better agent (The Beautician and the Beast--need I say more). Is this the same agent who got him that role in Flash Gordon? If so, I need to thank that person because, regardless of it's campiness, I watch it every time it's on ;-) (Karen) I just may have to check u out your KC drool. With the exception of that Water movie last year, I've probably seen everything he's done (even Fandango). That's impressive--not many people have seen Fandango. Why didn't you see Waterworld? Regardless of its bad reputation, I liked it very well. Though I admit to being a little biased. ;-) Saw the pix you've scanned in. Is Kev left handed, if you catch my drift???? Always seemed like a middle man to me, until I saw that picture ;-D SOUND FILES (Karen) Oh, yes, Nan. How could you pass up the opportunity to have a customized CF greeting for your mail notification. I just may have to change my name!!! I feel so lucky! I must apologize to my mother for all the times I complained about the name she chose for me ;-) HOSTAGES (Karen) Oooh, I think you're going to love "Hostages." He looks really good in that one--even when he's all dirty and hairy. (snip) but mostly all he ever wears are some little loose gym shorts, low on the hip bone. I must admit, I kept wishing they would fall a little lower.....bad me. ;-p OK, Nan, you can slap me. For wishing to catch a glimpse? Never, dear! ;-)

(Karen)- Are you sure your husband wants you to let off steam this way? Let off steam?! Oh honey, I build UP steam this way!! It gets to geyser-like proportions, I guess for that analogy to work he'd have to hold me upside down(ooh, that might be nice). If I could be serious for one minute, its really quite amazing the effect Colin Firth has had on me. I have never been infatuated with anyone, celebrity or otherwise, like I am with him. He has awakened in me such passions and desires which I had long thought were buried and gone forever. So, when I say my husband doesn't mind, I truly believe it. Of course, he doesn't read these posts and isn't fully aware of my obession with Colin. He just knows our sexlife is better than it ever was! OK, minute's up! I'm trying to decide which I'd enjoy more, me giving Colin a massage or him giving me one. My hands all over his body (Oh, dear God!) or his A L L O V E R mine!!! Damn, this is too much to even think about. The thought of us rubbing oil onto every part, every limb, each and every "muscle" of each other's bodies!! Oh boy, I better stop now, I think this one could be just alittle too graphic, even for me!

Nan, would it be possible somehow to have direct links between all CF topics? It appears some people keep losing themselves among them and I'm sure any newcomer wouldn't even know there's more...

OTHER OBJECTS OF DROOL (Karen)Anybody want to talk about Timothy Dalton????? Devilishly handsome and another wonderful voice. (Nan)Yoo-hoo, Maaaarilyn...I think you've found a kindred spirit here ;-p Karen - Colin, Kevin, and now Timothy??? We most definitely are kindred! Where to start?? Well, the man knows how to kiss, doesn't he?? I give you his Heathcliff in the barn (well, anywhere), his Rochester (he just envelopes Jane with his body and those huge hands!), and, as corny as "The Beautician and the Beast" is, he does deliver a most romantic smooch in the end--yes, I swooned along with Fran... ;-) (Karen) Well, my opinion of RF hasn't changed one iota: he's a beady eyed, pencil-legged lizard. Ouch! Oh, well, I guess we can't agree on everything! ;-p HAPPY BIRTHDAY! She's gonna hate me for this, but our dearest Nan is another year older tomorrow - happy birthday, sweetie! :-)

Happy Birhtday,Nan!! I think I know what (or who) you would like to have for your birthday! Maybe HE will e-mail you. ;-) WHERE is Colin these days? I just got back from Barnes&Noble searching every magazine for some small sign of him and his doings, but alas, nothing. Surely some of you ladies have an inside track....Arami?

LINKS BETWEEN TOPICS (Arami) Nan, would it be possible somehow to have direct links between all CF topics? It appears some people keep losing themselves among them and I'm sure any newcomer wouldn't even know there's more... I've been thinking the same thing. Hell, I'm lost myself. I think it can be done when you start a topic, but I don't know if it's possible to change the header on an existing topic. If there is a way, it's one of those technical things which I'll need help to accomplish. I'll start asking around so that we can do everything at once when Spring cleaning starts next week. BTW, have you ever tried the "Next Topic" feature? I find it easier to get from one topic to the next, but I can't figure out how to go back to the previous topic. HAPPY BIRTHDAY! (Marilyn) She's gonna hate me for this... Grrrrrrr! I'll deal with you later missy ;-p (Chey) I think I know what (or who) you would like to have for your birthday! Maybe HE will e-mail you. ;-) From your mouth to God's ears ;-D

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, NAN Consider the sound file only the first installment!! But I don't think I could do any better than that card from Myretta and Cheryl. What do you think they meant by "work me hard" and "make me sweat"??? ;-p Got to run...

Nan: BTW, have you ever tried the "Next Topic" feature? I find it easier to get from one topic to the next, but I can't figure out how to go back to the previous topic. have you tried using the "prev topic" button ;-)

Hi I am new here can anyone help me?*S*

So what is up in here?

Anyone want to talk?

Hi, everybody. I want to make friend with you. I am a new user on this forum. I come from Ha Noi, Vietnam. I'm a software engineer. I need to know how to build a web server and some technical around that, such as: how to make index to search on a web, and how to organise a database on it, and so on. Who can help me. Beside, I also need source of program files as good as more. Please help me ! Thank you for advanced ! My adress: hailn@hotmail.com

We can help you with all that stuff. Glad you're here with us. Let's discuss it in the web conference, ok? Meet you there?

My dear new friends, I want to thank you all for being there so I can talk with someone about my obsession with Colin. I just had a very sobering conversation with my younger sister. She came across a copy of the very mild and tame post I sent to RoP where I first told of my passion for CF/Darcy. She was shocked! Can you just imagine how she would have reacted if she read some of my contributions here!? You see, to my family and friends I am a most sensible, level-headed respectable woman. In some circles, the men won't even tell an off-colored joke in my presence. I'm sure if they ever saw this other side of me, they would think I was taken over by aliens. When you talk about other actors, I become impatient I don't see the attraction I'm my old self thinking, "How foolish, grown women acting like a bunch of teenage girls, ridculous!" I still haven't figured out why Colin does this to me. To be sure, there have been actors just as handsome, talented and sexy as he is. So, why him? In the mea while, I shall continue to revel in the very great pleasure he gives me. P.S. Has anyone else experienced this, Colin being your first encounter with obession? And if he is, do you know why?

Oh, Kathleen, join the group! I'm one of those pedestal dwellers (put there by son, husband and others who value my judgement). I dread the thought of someone from that group finding my contributions...on all of CF's boards! I'm pretty sure None of us has figured why Colin does this to us. I am still in the Darcy thrall and I alsolutely cannot keep from re-running P&P2 - daily! I have had a life-long (and it's longer than most of you here) passion for Lord Olivier, but it was nothing like this. That was adoration. Very pure and very simple. This is complex, very physical and WET...sweaty palms, palpitations, heavy breathing, all of it. My once very tailored computer (no wallpaper - no sounds) now has Darcy Wallpaper and his voice saying various things for computer events. I love it! And, when I read something like you wrote, or watch him, or hear his voice, I get a *very* special smile that we all expreience. No explaining - no dissection- just enjoy it. You're in good company. Now, drool some more =) (Brandi Harding) Hi I am new here can anyone help me? Hi and welcome. There is nothing special to do except drool about Colin Firth. Since you have found us, you must find that easy. Share your feelings with us!

A Pathetic Computer Well, this computer will not let me cut and paste (that's what you get when you use one at the library on the weekends), so here goes from memory... Use of Body Stocking Purely for the pseudo-modest IMO. Waterworld I've always been a major film person, but even I have my standards!! No, the bad reviews and the genre didn't appeal to me. Never been much of a sci-fi or futuristic person. Also, if one of my favs appears in a particularly embarassing role--I don't want to see it. I prefer my memories to be of GOOD things. And that's why this Postman thing bothers me...another one of those weirdo movies, why????? Timothy Dalton Marilyn, oh Marilyn, how nice to find you!!! Can we talk??? BTW. when you said Flash Gordon, did you meet the Rocketeer?? Actually, that one wasn't too bad. Did you ever see him in Brenda Starr??? I guess I'm going to have to put a bad over my head and go to the video store to rent the Beautician and the Beast. Or maybe I could borrow someone's children and pretend the video is for them!!! Which do you think would be more convincing? Like I said, I have standards even where my boys are concerned. ;-) I was going to wait until it showed up on cable. Olivier Marcia: I may be more of your contemporary. He caught my eye and a lot more many a moon ago. My, he was handsome...and talented. Marcia, do you see any evidence that our CF is following LO's lead in altering his face to suit the character? Olivier would regularly don different noses, etc., for each part. I keep looking very critically at CF because he looks so different in some of his movies, e.g., Apartment Zero, TEP, and it's not just the hair and/or its color. Gotta go now.

OOPS!!! I certainly didn't mean to display my full name in my previous post. There goes my anonymity! I sincerely hope and prayer no one I know stumbles upon this. For as much as I adore Colin and the immense pleasure I get from thinking about him and talking to you about him, it embarrasses me to death to think someone who doesn't "understand" should read all of this. Is there some way we can delete my last name?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, NAN!!!! Hope this works somehow, if not - take my best wishes the conventional way.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, NAN!!!! Do you see at least a bit, Nan?

(Kate) have you tried using the "prev topic" button ;-) Tthhpphhtthh! Yes, I did, but it didn't work. It appears that once I've read the messages I can't get back to them using the "previous topic" button. :-( Renate, it did blink! Many thanks m'dear ;-)

After watching P&P 30 or 40 times, I felt so unfulfilled by the ending, that I began writing my own endings. Then I found RoP and then you guys. Anyway, I wrote about their first nights together, including a scene which I later saw in Nostomo, (Mine scene). I also wrote a massage scene, he to her, because she was so sore from all that vigorous exercise and could barely walk, and then a her to him massage a few days later. I think I also wrote a very seductive piano scene. Darcy keeps asking her to play fo him as he drives her to distraction and undresses her, then she gets him back. They are definitely at laest R and occasionally X? They also have a snowball fight/seduction at Netherfield. Makes me feel good. Though I am having fun writing the G stuff too.

(Karen)...do you see any evidence that our CF is following LO's lead in altering his face to suit the character? Olivier would regularly don different noses, etc., for each part. I keep looking very critically at CF because he looks so different in some of his movies, e.g., Apartment Zero, TEP, and it's not just the hair and/or its color. Absolutely! I mentioned this on the Olivier Board (11), which would really appreiate your postings. Check it out! It is the way LO had of putting on the character of the new role he was developing - to hide Olivier! CF is gifted in this way, too, and only their soul-stirring voices betray them. Perhaps this is why CF has affected me so much....but then, some of these stirrings I never would have felt in a million years for someone so distinguished as Olivier. I put him on a high pedestal, indeed! Un ortunately, I have seen just P&P2 and none of the other CF films due to our proximity to absolutely Nothing! (Kath)...it embarrasses me to death to think someone who doesn't "understand" should read all of this. Is there some way we can delete my last name? I had the same problem, and the kind ladies here suggested that I go into spring.com and poke the registration button. There you will reregister with just a first name in both blanks (Kath, eg.) requiting names. Then I used the same password, wrote it down, and got rid of my last name! If you want to be even more indefinable, put "none" where they ask for your Email address. (StefanieB) I felt so unfulfilled by the ending, that I began writing my own endings. They are definitely at laest R and occasionally X? Don't do this to us...we droolers want to read your R-and-X-rated endings. Please tell us where we might enjoy them, too!

(Kate) have you tried using the "prev topic" button ;-) (Nan)Tthhpphhtthh! Yes, I did, but it didn't work. It appears that once I've read the messages I can't get back to them using the "previous topic" button. :-( Yeah, what it does is takes you back to any previous topics on the board (like KC for example). The only way you can see the messages you've read is to redisplay, I think. But then, you're the expert!

(Kate) Yeah, what it does is takes you back to any previous topics on the board (like KC for example). Actually, it won't even let me "press" the button...nothing at all. The only way you can see the messages you've read is to redisplay, I think. But then, you're the expert! LOL! I should be so lucky. If I were an expert I would know how to use everything--which I clearly don't. Some day I hope to catch on to this geek thing ;-)

OK. Here's the way it works. The Prev. Topic (and for that matter, The Next Topic) button will allow you to use them if there are readable messages under whatever option you have chosen to read. For example, if you choose "ALL" you should be able to Prev. Topic and Next Topic to your heart's content. If you choose "NEW", you can only use these buttons if there is something new in one or more of the previous or next topics. If change your URL to something like http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restric ed/browse/drool/all/since/-1, you will see everything that has been posted in the past day and can use your redisplay button to back up any number of previous messages. For example, if you want to go back three messages, just type -3 in the redisplay box and click the Redisplay button. By using the all/since/-1 URL you can move back and forth between topics because the system isn't looking for posts you haven't seen as it does when you usenew.

Myretta, sometimes you really scare me :-p Thanks for the clarification. I'll try my hand at it this week. And what are you doing up at this hour? Oooh, I'm gonna tell...

And what are you doing up at this hour? Oooh, I'm gonna tell... Well, DUH! :-( I just checked the time again, and the joke's on me--it's not you who's up late, it's me. When my eyesight starts to go I know it's time to go to bed. ;-)

They are not posted anywhere, there is no place I know of to post the R rated ones, I really do not know if any are X I am not sure what X entails. They are I am not sure how to describe. I suppose I could e-mail potions to you.

(Stefanie) They are not posted anywhere, there is no place I know of to post the R rated ones, I really do not know if any are X I am not sure what X entails. They are I am not sure how to describe. I suppose I could e-mail potions to you. Stefanie, there is a fan fic topic in this conference where it can be posted. But, before you do, please email me at nan@ntr.net and can tell you if they are R or X.

BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO NAN! I've been away for a couple of days again and missed the big day... Hey, so that's Nan on that baldie's T-shirt, yes? Hm, somewhat younger than I expected - or is that a very old photo;-)? Oh, and a Scorpio - just! My dear, now I'm sure we do not "misunderstand" each other (re a previous exchange), we simply disagree...:-D For those who hope I might know where Colin is these days - sorry, folks, still no news. (I also rely on other sources, you see... they don't always tell me...) Looking forward to Stefanie's stories... Can she match Lisa in the X department?

Male (sic) Order (Marcia) Unfortunately, I have seen just P&P2 and none of the other CF films due to our proximity to absolutely Nothing! Even on the mainland, it's not that easy finding CF movies. That's why I've started ordering them from video places. Amazon.com sells and ships videos and there are others. Go to Colin Firth FAQ and the Merchandise topic. It will give you the 800 number or web site address for a number of places. Unfortunately, there are still a bunch of movies (especially British TV movies that I think we will never see here). I can't believe that I didn't tape Nostromo when it was broadcast. Where was my mind???? Fan Fiction Stephanie, there's a place for all!! If it falls into the NC-17 (come on, we don't want to brand her ;-p) category, I believe e-mail is the method. Please put me on your mailing list! I also wrote a massage scene, he to her, because she was so sore from all that vigorous exercise and could barely walk, and then a her to him massage a few days later. What you described, sounds like fun. Of course, she would need a message after all her exercise and he after all that horsebackriding? I know my derriere gets real sore when I ride? I think I also wrote a very seductive piano scene. Darcy keeps asking her to play for him as he drives her to distraction and undresses her, then she gets him back. Much better than the piano scene in Pretty Woman. They also have a snowball fight/seduction at Netherfield. Before they were married???? When was it snowing? Or do I need to use my imagination here?? ADDITIONAL TUB OCCUPANTS Will Harrison Ford fit too?

Bloody hell, that took me by surprise - that wasn't supposed to happen. The pic is quite innocent, rather nice and reminds me of... No, I can't believe it! That's it, I'm disconnecting from the net and selling this stupid computer. Sorry, everyone. I resign forthwith.

P.S. Nan, remove the link, please. I should read the net handbook more often... Sorry. Bye.

At your request, Arami, 579 is deleted.

One last word - I think it would be better to remove the other link as well, Nan, NOW, please. It seems I've been well and truly duped. This is unbelievable. I've heard of such stories but never believed one can be fooled so easily. Well, I've had enough of the web for a long time. There's a lesson for everyone here: never, NEVER trust anyone, especially when they do you a favour... I am absolutely boiling with anger.

Thank you, Myretta. I now have a confirmation that the other link is also poisoned and must be got rid of entirely.

Arami, I don't understand. Please explain to me what happened so I can avoid whatever it was! I'm very new to the Internet and can very easily be duped as well. It bothers me greatly to see you so upset!

I made a casual contact with someone (outside this circle) - something I don't usually do! - and they passed me a link to an innocently looking image which I thought might liven up our chat here. Unfortunately I failed to vet this connection and it turned not very nice.

Just stick with your circle of friends, we'll be nice!

(Arami)BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO NAN! Thank you m'dear, it was a very pleasant day--especially after I got Myretta and Cheryl's card. LOL! I will never get over it. ;-D Hey, so that's Nan on that baldie's T-shirt, yes? Hey, no pickin' on the baldie! :-p Hm, somewhat younger than I expected - or is that a very old photo;-)? LOL! Why is that the first question everyone asks? ;-D Yes, I freely admit the photo is about 10 years old. I used the original one for a little Photoshop test in which I am draped on Colin's shoulder--it was too funny, so I had to share it. Myretta and Cheryl, quite cleverly, cut out Colin and stuck my head on the big brute's chest. And a beautiful thing it is ;-) Oh, and a Scorpio - just! By about 2 hours according to my chart. An astrologer told me if I had been born in the middle of the month, "it wouldn't have been a pretty sight" LOL! I never asked why... My dear, now I'm sure we do not "misunderstand" each other (re a previous exchange), we simply disagree...:-D Tis true...and we do it so well ;-) NOSTROMO (Karen) I can't believe that I didn't tape Nostromo when it was broadcast. Where was my mind???? You can buy Nostromo from several online stores, but it's a ridiculous price for a mediocre film. ADDITIONAL TUB OCCUPANTS (Karen) Will Harrison Ford fit too? You know, I really like Harrison Ford, but I just can't drool over him. I don't know why either. But, what the heck, bring him on in...;-D "NAUGHTY"? P.S. Nan, remove the link, please. I should read the net handbook more often... I think it would be better to remove the other link as well, Nan, NOW, please. It seems I've been well and truly duped. This is unbelievable. I've heard of such stories but never believed one can be fooled so easily. Geez, what happened? I see Myretta has anticipated me and removed whatever it was that you wanted removed (thanks, dearest). Don't worry about it, Arami--it happens. I made a casual contact with someone (outside this circle) You?! something I don't usually do! Certainly not. I can vouch for that. and they passed me a link to an innocently looking image which I thought might liven up our chat here. Unfortunately I failed to vet this connection and it turned not very nice. As I said before, these things happen to all of us at some point. I hope you will not allow the experience to make you mistrust everyone...There are some wonderful people out there to be met, I think. But you're usually so cautious, I can't imagine what happened.

So where is this fanfic page. and how does one get to it????? I'm curious.

Are you in suspense Laura? Will they link to our discussion from the fanfic page?

(Terry)Just stick with your circle of friends, we'll be nice! Thanks, pal. (Nan)you're usually so cautious, I can't imagine what happened. Too much watching/talking Playmaker ;-)!

(Laura) So where is this fanfic page. and how does one get to it????? I'm curious. You can go to: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/34 It's a long loader--starting from last winter, but it's a hoot. (Arami) Too much watching/talking Playmaker ;-)! Well, that'll do it to ya' ;-)

NOSTROMO (Karen) I can't believe that I didn't tape Nostromo when it was broadcast. Where was my mind??? (Nan) You can buy Nostromo from several online stores, but it's a ridiculous price for a mediocre film. I know. I'm waiting for the price to come down--significantly--or be rebroadcast. So, if anyone sees that it's going to be on PBS, or A&E or anything else, please let me know!!! I just may have to rent it though because of all the references to the WET mine scene. I don't remember it :-( and now I am sooo curious. ADDITIONAL TUB OCCUPANTS (Nan) You know, I really like Harrison Ford, but I just can't drool over him. I don't know why either. But, what the heck, bring him on in...;-D Agreed, not a drool. He's just getting better as he gets older...in the Sean Connery vein. COSTNER SOUND FILE I do hope that you didn't test it at work!!! I guess I should have warned you. ;-p FANFIC (Laura) So where is this fanfic page. and how does one get to it????? I'm curious. It still is topic 34, isn't it?? Of course, with all the people pulling their stories, is anything left in there? Oh, yes, someone had mentioned (was it you Arami?) that Lisa would e-mail her Darcy Diaries and The Experiment. I sent her a couple of e-mails a few months ago (after the big to do) and she never replied. Also, she appears to be on hiatus (another word for studying) from her writing, so I don't think now is the time to bother her. If anyone else has copies of her stories, we wouldn't have to bother her. What has happened to the CF drool? Is everyone out of town for Thanksgiving?

I have copies of Lisa's stories... :-P

Can you e-mail them?

Ah, there's a crunch... well, maybe, but not just yet. I may be able to pass them to you, but you'll have to wait a while until it's sorted.

Playmaker After following Bethan's incredibly explicit instructions, I SEE WHAT SHE SEES!!! I can't believe I didn't catch it before, but, well, there it is... However, I have a hard time believing they would do this. I mean, I always thought they would be wearing beige swimsuits or something. Just like, when Darcy gets out of his bath, I'm SURE Colin is wearing something, esp. with that freaky valet around with the bad wig. So, being an analytical Virgo (oh, my claim to fame: CF and I have the same birthday!! , I thought, perhaps it's just an illusion with that wavy glass block, it does seem to "extend" images. However, the way that THIS image is extended, well, it's much too realistic. Femme Fatale I'm having a difficult time locating this, at least locally. Are there, well, just certain "types" of video stores that have this? No luck with Blockbuster or Tower or Hollywood Video.

SPRING CLEANING Ladies, I think it's time to give this poor old tired board a rest... Topic #59 is now the General Colin Drool (to replace this board) Go to: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/59/new Topic #53 remains the "Colin Firth - Keepsakes and other amusements" board Go to: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/53/new Topic #67 is now the "Colin Firth - Film Discussion" board Go to: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/59/new Topic #68 is now the "Colin Firth - Darcy Drool" board Go to: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/68/new If there are any other Colin topics you'd like to see added, please tell me.

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Nan, (or anyone), is there a way of "logging out" of drool? It occurs to me that on this public terminal, anyone who wants could discover what I've been up to here by going "back" on the computer when I leave. Can I close my "restricted" drool area's somehow when I finish?

You need to go in to the browser settings and clear your cache and also clear your history. That's the only way to leave no trace.

I'm on a public terminal though. I don't have access to the browser settings. Do I??? Also, I'm a bit confused. This here is the page I get when I ask for "activity within the last 7 days", but this board seems pretty empty. When I do this exact same topic, but ask for "new" (or maybe it was "all"), there is lots of activity - even right up to today. Why isn't that stuff poping up here? Did the computer goof and make 2 topic 51's ?

We're going to have some funny stuff happen for a short time while Kaylene's mod takes effect, it's only temporary. Long term, it should be a great fix. I went through this too, you're not alone. And I think you just may be able to get to those settings unless your library is doing heavy blocking and filtering. Poke around some.

(Layla) Nan, (or anyone), is there a way of "logging out" of drool? (Terry) You need to go in to the browser settings and clear your cache and also clear your history. (Layla) I'm on a public terminal though. I don't have access to the browser settings. Do I??? I�ve never used a public terminal, so I wouldn�t know. Have you tried just closing Netscape completely then reopening. If you did that, the next person would not be able to use the �back� button to get to drool. They could use the pull down window to see the list of the sites you visited, but they would not be able to access drool without your correct log in and password. (Layla) Also, I'm a bit confused. This here is the page I get when I ask for "activity within the last 7 days", but this board seems pretty empty. We no longer use this board. We continued the discussions here on topic 59. In fact, in a couple of days I�ll freeze this topic so that there won�t be any confusion in the future. Just check the email I sent you that lists the active Colin boards. When I do this exact same topic, but ask for "new" (or maybe it was "all"), there is lots of activity - even right up to today. Why isn't that stuff poping up here? It depends if you used new or all. New would give you just the messages me and Terry have posted to you in the last few days. All would give you everything, from the beginning of the board last summer. As I said, you should just ignore this board. Lat me rephrase that...you can feel free to read anything on this board, but please post only on the active Colin boards (53, 59, 67, & 68). BTW, Layla...you couldn�t have known this board was inactive, it�s my fault. I should put the above information in a place where everyone can see it when they arrive at Drool so there�s no confusion. So sorry ;-)