Who knows, you may find a home *here*.

Thank you, Terry, for the use of your hall! :-)

Thank you, Terry, for the use of your hall! :-)

Hi gang - glad to be here!

G'day Terry, Well I suppose it's about time I also voted a thanks to you for allowing this debate and maybe room on your server. And I'm a bloke too - that's Aussie for a male. Yes I'm a JA/P&P2 fanatic too.

This is great terry. You don't know what your in for. This place will be "hottest"

We'll Amy, it worked, and I'm here. Thank God. Looking forward to chatting!

Good, Rebecca. Pray tell how you accomplished it so I can know how to help others who have trouble getting in.

Actually, why don't we start a new Help topic. We can also get help at the Yapp conference but that stuff goes on a wider mailing list than just this Spring site. We could discuss our own tech troubles here then send an emissary over to post the summary at the Yapp conference. Sound okay to you guys?

Hey, it's great to find this place-it would serve as a surrogate P&P2 board! Thanks for letting us use this- is there somewhere I could find more about using this? Great to see you all! Marsha

Amy -- "You're a bagel-biting, toad-mashing, back-froodler!!"

Let me add my thanks as well for the use of this site. Mich

Hi Everybody. Glad to find you.

Terry, thank you very much!, I'm very glad to be here.

Terry, thank you so much for inviting us in. We were all desperate, and are happy to have found a new home.

G'day, Amy I don't mind being the group's emissary as I suggested I am already the sacrificial lamb on alt.config who has proposed a Jane Austen Newsgroup. No reponses yet though.

Thanks Terry for giving us a new home (does it come with instructions?)...

Yeah, you can click on the help button. Also, when you telnet in and use your shell account, there's detailed help. Do you use telnet Amy?

One bit of advice abouting posting, if you double click on the submit button you may post *two* or more copies of your response. One click of the mouse is all ya' need!

What a lovely thing - to know I am not the only person who sacrifices entire days watching A&E-PP... and that you have a home to chat .. it's almost too good to be true.

Well, I finally found my way here - following links from so many sites in my quest for a P&P2 fix. Mind you, here in the UK I can comfort myself by visiting locations used in the series. Last month I was at Lyme Park (ie Pemberley)...

Well, I finally found my way here - following links from so many sites in my quest for a P&P2 fix. Mind you, here in the UK I can comfort myself by visiting locations used in the series. Last month I was at Lyme Park (ie Pemberley)...

hello everybody ! Nice to have found you again I hope Amy will soon get the P&P 2 BB going again otherwhise we poor addicts will go insane or;);) Anna-Karin

Hi y'all I've been lurking at Amy's BB and then was away from home for 5 weeks so was terribly disappointed when I got back. Let me add my thanks for this location to all of you. Two of the 5 weeks were in England where I visited Lyme Park, i.e. Pemberley, and Lacock, i.e. Meryton. Also worshipped at the shrine of JA's house in Chawton. Spent all of last night watching my tapes from start to finish so am finally at peace again. Looking forward to chatting with all of you. Carol

Thanks, Terry. I'm glad to have been able to get into the new location. I've been lurking on the P&P2 BB for a couple of months and enjoy it tremendously. I miss Amy's Board, but at least there is something here now.

Thanks, Terry. I'm glad to have been able to get into the new location. I've been lurking on the P&P2 BB for a couple of months and enjoy it tremendously. I miss Amy's Board, but at least there is something here now.

Hi all, I guess I just figured out how to use this thing. It's like coming home again! Thanks, Terry. I'm so jealous of the people who've been to the "real" Pemberley.

Hello to you all from a somewhat new P&P2 addict, or a "Jane Junkie". Do you welcome new people into your fold? I too, watch P&P for hours at a time. My four year old can quote lines to the movie. A future addict? Glad to be here.

] Do you welcome new people ___________________ Of course, Leslie. One of the characteristics of our disesae is that we push the addiction. How did you find us? Amy

Amy, I like your new conference header with all the links. Y'all don't have to think of yourselves as temporary here. You can settle in for the long haul if you find this place to your liking. There's so much we can all do together. I love this group.

Is this site for real? I have been trying to connect to the P&P2 chat line for the past week, and I'm not sure that I've made the right connections. Am I there?

Norma, you have just entered the twilight zone. I don't know if you'll ever make it back. But I think you've found the right place.

] I have been trying to connect to the P&P2 chat line for the past week You are in the discussion room, which is fortunate, for if you met us at first in the chat room, you might question our sanity. If yuo want to chat less formally, go to: http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin/Chat/nph-chat.cgi?chat_room=Northam and look in the pop-up menu for the Pemberley room. Joan, too

To AMY, of BB Fame I am not that computer literate. I heard about the Jane Austen Society, from all places, TV Food Network. I told my husband that I was going to call my local University, (USC), thats SC, not CA! to find out how to join. My very literate computer brain husband said, "don't bother", go to the internet. I was amazed at all the info on Jane Austen. That is where I found your BB. I loved all the info on it! The links were fabulous. My husband has been very supportive to my addiction. See you at Pemberly!

Re: Jane Austen Society Go to http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/janausoc.html.

Like the rest of you, I am a P&P2 fanatic. You don't know how happy I am to have found some fellow Janeites! Is there any particular time of the day that people spend in the chat room? I'd love to get in on some discussions.

To the Mysterious H.C. Thankyou for the help with the Jane Austin Society, but I joined a few weeks ago. By the way, do you have the A&E/BBC version of P&P? Are there pictures of Darcy etc...

Hello: I was wondering if someone could help me. I have to write a paper on P&P. I have only read the book. I have not seen it on t.v. I am suppose to write about a theme in the book and do an oral presentation but i cant choose marriage. Any ideas please help me.

Sasha - here's an idea that I've been toying around with for quite a while. How about a paper of Art (or artifice) vs. Nature (or natural). I'm thinking of Elizabeth as representative of nature or a natural person (she liked to walk outdoors, didn't put on airs, etc.) vs. Caroline Bingley who is all artifice (she walked only when others could admire her), put a lot of stock in a person's manner of walking, tone of voice, etc., and altogether gave herself very artificial airs. I am sure there are a lot ore examples in the book, if you look for them.

Ahh, here at last. Good morning everybody and warm thanks to Terry for the shelter provided. It *is* a bit tricky to find your way around, I seem to get to the right places by mere chance. But then I suppose it is because I have not taken the trouble to practise/use the help button. Must try to improve as 'others' have done before me. Time for work now, best wishes Ann2

I've finally been able to meet you all here --and the location is very appreciated. I've been out of town since last Friday and have missed you all.

] I've finally been able to meet you all here --and the location is very appreciated. I've been out of town since last Friday and have missed you all. ______________- We missed you, too, dear.

Good day, I am a member of a newly formed book club in Indiana. Our first month we read Hemingway and this month we read P&P. I could not make it through the novel during college... I was much like Lydia... but now could not put it down. We have our meeting tomorrow. If anyone has anything they feel I could take to the group as enlightenment, I would appreciate it.

Well let's see.... I) One of the main themes in Austen and in Austen's day was the difference between nature and artiface. P&P can be read as the struggle between behaving in a natural way (Lizzy) and a more cultured or artificial way (Darcy). The same comparisons can be made between Lydia and Lizzy, and in fact many of the other characters. Austen seems to come down in the middle. Both Darcy and Lizzy must adopt some of the other's characteristics before they can come together. II) Austen loves to foreshadow! For example: Collins' proposal and what he says to Lizzy is a wonderful foreshadowing of her relationship with Darcy: --You are to poor to be able to expect any other offers, then she gets one from one of the richest men in England. --The fashion for young ladies to refuse the man they secretly mean to marry. There is lots of stuff to discuss on that one--when did Lizzy fall in love with Darcy? Perhaps it was much earlier than she could admit even to herself. Was Lizzy, perhaps subconciously, struggling with her heart as much as Darcy? but where his heart won the battle, Lizzy's head stayed firmly in control. When we think of Lizzy(nature) and Darcy(artiface) we usually think of Lizzy being ruled by her heart and feelings (though alw ys properly tempered by her head) while we think of Darcy being ruled by his head, but in their early relationship perhaps these were reversed. Darcy was ruled more by his heart and Lizzy by her head. Another foreshadow is the discussion/arguement between Lizzy and Darcy about a friend being easily persuaded to change his designs at only a suggestion from the friend. Darcy seemed to look down on anyone so weak-kneed, but then persuades Bingley to break off his attachment to Miss Bennet. III) There are lots of characters that can be compared and contrasted to one another: --Lydia v Georgiana (both attached to Wickham) --Mrs. Bennet v Lady Catherine (both Lizzy and Darcy have unfortunate relations) --Wickham v Darcy (same upbringing--very different results) --Wickham v Fitzwilliam (both relatively poor, but one a slime ball and the other respectable) --Darcy v Bingley (nature vs artiface again, also determination and personal strength vs some degree of wimpyness) --Mr. Bennet v Darcy (one responsible the other irresponible) --Lizzy v Charlotte (marrying for love vs marrying for more material considerations.) --Jane v Lizzy (one energetic and spirited the other calmm and serene.) IV) The changing views of the class structure. Darcy discovers that the Gardiners, who are on a very different social level from himself, are good, intellegent and interesting people, who, taken for themselves--without reference to their place in society, are certainly worthy of Darcy's aquaintance. Also Caroline Bingley's convenient amnesia about where her family's money comes from (trade). She looks down on the Bennets, when her own history must be similar only a generation or two back. V) And of course the themes of pride and prejudice. Both Darcy and Lizzy suffer from both. It is only when they each overcome these faults, that they can come together. I hope that something above will help.

] Good day, I am a member of a newly formed book club in Indiana. __________ Bobbi, welcome. Where in Indiana? I am in Bloomington. Did Ann give you enough fodder or would you like several more days worth of P&P conversation starters? Amy

] P&P can be read as the struggle between behaving in a natural way (Lizzy) and a more cultured or artificial way (Darcy). Anne, I actually always considered Elizabeth to be the more ``acculturated'' and Darcy to be more ``natural'', in the sense that he can't be bothered with some of the small everyday social conventionalites that keep the wheels greased. The Elizabeth-Darcy contrast is similar in some ways to the Elinor-Marianne contrast in S&S, where Marianne can never be bothered to utter little polite lies. Elizabeth is very much her own person, and isn't afraid of going slightly against the conventionalities from time to time, but I see the basic Darcy-Elizabeth contrast as above...

I think you have everyone stumped with your mystery quote, churchh! Thanks for coming over to the 'books' conference and keeping company with Mixu. I encourage others to visit this conference and pump it up a bit. There are other good topics like the mystery quote.

Was the Spring down or something today? Someone sent me e-mail asking if I was able to get on - but I did not have time to try it from school today. Seems to be find now...

Not that I know of, we may have a minor dns glitch. I'm looking into it. If you can't get to http://www.spring.com then go to http://208.199.212.4 which is the same place in iptalk. You may want to go there now and bookmark it for future reference.

"then go to http://208.199.212.4 which is the same place in iptalk." Was just over at Pemberly, and Kaff just put that link in the header over there.

Very kind of you to do so, Kaff.

I am so glad to have found you again. I was getting worried that the board would just never be up again. By the way, did you guys see the new pictures of Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle in the Friends of Firth homepage. They look quite different I tell you. Claudia

Hi! I know I am knew but I desperately love Pride and Prejudice and hope I may be allowed to join this conference board. I am also having a lot of problems trying with links. Paola PS Colin and Jennifer

Hi! It is me again I hope anyone out there can please help me because I am having a lot of problems putting up links. I've tried everything and I just can't seem to do it. Paola

Don't bother with all the tags: Just put up your links like this: http://www.firely.com You don't need to use any html codes. Just put up the links exactly like the one above. And you'll be fine.

OK here it goes http://www.iupui.edu/~rogersc/PicSite/col_jen2.htm

Thank You Terry. Just one more question, what does one do to actually make the picture appear in the document and not for it to be linked? Paola

No offense to Amy, your BB was great and was my first love. But like first love, you meet others and your taste focussed on what you prefer and I like Terry's way of presenting topics and posts. Easier to select topics and it's nice to see them all at once. The possibility of selecting, all-new-1 week, etc. is a major plus. When you're talking of having our new BB back, can't it be possible to have it here? Tell me if I missed something...

No, Johanne. Our plans are to keep it here.

I hope you all are here for the long haul. We are, you know, masters of our own destiney and we're not "stuck" with anything.

anyone here?? this is my first time on this line so bear with me. i would just like to say that i absolutely love john davies version of pride and prejudice on a&e. anyone else?

Tang, you are in the best place to ask that question, since everyone else here will agree with you wholeheartedly!

Help! I just found y'all and I have been on the computer off and on for two days trying to figure out where to go to "chat" with a fellow P&P addict. Can you help me? I have left messages on the BB but have not yet figured out this conference center...admitting that I am a novice but determined to get within the group....thank you all for being there..until just a few days ago I thought "what is wrong with me? I can't get enough of this P&P..then I wondered if there just might be others....God Bless all f you out there who made me feel alot better about this addiction I have acquired...I have found other books, bios, etc....but where is an Austenite to go to discuss every detail.........Linda

Linda, there is a link to it in the "links" at the top of the page - the URL is: http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin/Chat/nph-chat.cgi?chat_room=Northam "but where is an Austenite to go to discuss every detail" However, you will find the most detailed discussion of such things right here in these topics.

Linda, be sure when you get to the entry of the chat room that you select "Pemberley Drawing Room" the default is set for the Northam Room, so you must change that. We're glad you found us! You will find this place simply crawling with folks reveling in this "addiction"!

Linda: Hi, fellow southerner. We mostly just goof off in the chat room - but we do it in a very Austen-tacious way. Do drop in and find out if you like us. I live in Oak Ridge, TN - Close enough to GA to know that the most direct way to everywhere is throught the Atlanta airport!

Glad you found us Linda. Just jump in.

Katy, I pass right by Oak Ridge on I-40 at least once per year on my way to my hometown, Nashville. Linda (the one who has been here since September)

Linda409 - where do you live now?

Upstate New York; 65 miles north of NYCity. We may not be making that drive as often in the future. At age 22, we thought nothing of jumping in the car and driving straight through; 17-hours with 2 stops for gas. At 44 (or thereabouts), started making a 2-day trip of it; stopping in western Virginia. At 50+, we are beginning to think that flight is a better choice. Linda

I tried to link to the Pemberly chat room and when I get there....there is alot of "computer language" but no chatting...what am I doing wrong? I have gotten into that several times....get the same thing each time...HElp!

I can't imagine. Kaff?

Something else... Been sting with the bug again : all new has become all AGAIN! Terry, why is it doing this, what's the meaning for this? Am I doing something wrong?

Johanne, it hits all of us at random. Hopefully the bug will be fixed in the new version for it is most annoying -- especially in a conference with this much traffic. I am sure it took me close to 45 minutes to load every topic again when it happened to me.

Thanks Amy, you're giving hope after all.

Thanks Amy, you're giving hope after all.

Johanne, Were you doing anything unusual when this happened? Had you just added a topic or reloaded a page. . . Anything at all? Thanks.

Actualy, just press the submit button entering a post. When the screen reappeared, it was kind of frozen at the top of the page, could not scroll down. Then, I press the reload button to view the full page and it seems to have posted my message twice at the same time. The End.

and while rereading the posts, our BB front page has change with the addition of very cute colored buttons and no details of virtview by Cheryl. Enough to puzzle me...

See the new calendar, Johanne.

"and while rereading the posts, our BB front page has change with the addition of very cute colored buttons and no details of virtview by Cheryl. Enough to puzzle me..." Could this mean that "everything old is new" happened to Johanne while someone was editing the main page? That has long been a suspicion of mine, though I did not have the presence of mind to pay attention to this when I happened to me.

I've the same problem as Linda, can't get into the Pemberly chat room, simply get something that looks like FORTRAN??? Am also having a great deal of trouble loading all the new input after a week of non-viewing...am getting cut off and told to go back to GO and start over.

] Am also having a great deal of trouble loading all the new input after a week of non-viewing...am getting cut off and told to go back to GO and start over. __ Here, Elaine?

Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 06:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Spurgeon Message-Id: To: terry@spring.com Subject: RealAudio help Saw your post in the web conference about needing realAudio help. I'll be happy to take a look, if you'd like. I installed Real Audio on my BSDI system (at http://whyy.org). Feel free to e-mail me or give me a call at 215-351-3315 (that's in Philadelphia). I'll be in the office starting this afternoon at about 1PM, Eastern time, but you can leave a message. Ignore this message if you've already solved the problem! Chris Spurgeon

1:82 - simply get something that looks like FORTRAN??? You are not, by some chance, using a non-graphical browser, and seeing the room from "backstage" decorated in full (or in some cases, only partial - hee hee) html tags?

"get something that looks like FORTRAN???' Can you capture a bit of it and post it here?

Joan, I can't capture what I see. When I copy it here and then try to submit it, I get an error message as follows: Error: Illegal HTML tag found:HTML It will not allow me to submit the information. Evidently, I am trying to copy some html tags. I will try to substitute periods for carrots and see if that is acceptable. .HTML. .HEAD. .TITLE. The British Gentlem n's Club./TITLE. ./HEAD. .BODY background="/northam/image/pa1053.jpg". I assume that when I submit the above, the spacing will be messed up since that is another problem. Hopefully, this makes sense to someone.

Oh, you are getting the html file in text form, Elaine. What browser do you use? Does this site (Spring) give you graphics?

I don't know what browser I use. Does Prodigy ring a bell? Sometimes I get graphics but often I get a screen with Mona Lisa saying "Image Missing". Also, I think the go back to GO messages are from Prodigy as I get them at other sites. I am admittedly a dilettante but excessively diverted by this site.

Elaine, I am sorely tempted to say "get another service." No slam to Prodigy; I used to do some work for them. But I hate to see someone enter into this addiction without an unlimited account. It could get expensive. You might resort to crime to support your habit. You might want to check and see that you have the latest version of Prodigy's brower. Try to download the new one and Prodigy should tell you if you already have the latest, if you don't need it. Short of that, I can't think. We will ask Kaff if she knows of any problems reported by other Prodigy users. Kaffeine runs the chat rooms, it's related to us here, but on a different server.

Watson strikes again! (Sherlock would have thought to look at your e-mail address, and thus would have known right away that it was a Prodigy problem!) Kaff did respond, but she did it in the calendar topic, I think - something to the effect that Prodigy's browser is non standard? Maybe someone will find it and bring it back here before I do? I do agree with those who advise a different ISP - last time I saw that interface in action (some time ago, I admit) it was slooooooooooow, and the combination of a slow interface with timed charges is most uneconomical even if the browser were error free!

Yikes! A life of crime to support my addiction. It sounds serious. Tonight I can't post and barely able to load. I'm sure to be cut off shortly.

Maybe someone can help me with this. When I have proxies switched on and try to get into the chat room, Netscape throws out the following message : You have started to download the file "nph�chat.cgi", of the type "magnus-internal/cgi". Clock "More Info" to learn how to extend Navigator's capibilities. I can get in with Proxies turned off but it is much slower. It also makes accessing Spring nigh on impossible.

My computer tries to download in chat sometimes when my cache is too full.

I've emptied my cache and it still does it!

Elaine, could it be that Prodigy is keeping us from the complete enjoyment of our addiction...I am all astonishment! I must have my P&P fellow addicts....I just may have to supply other alternatives....I mean, there's information that cannot be revealed to us! What else can we do?

Linda, I'm going to try one of those free AOL disks that keeing coming in the mail.

I am not able to get into the Pemberly in AOL either. However, I get a different message, "Cannot retrieve http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin....Northam"

Oh dear, Elaine. We have to defer to Kaff on this. I will ask her about it.

Moved to collapse topics: Topic 133 of 140: New calendar Mon, Jan 6, 1997 (15:06) | Amy (Amy) Kaff was nice enough to modify a calendar script for our use in posting VirtView and other dates. It is linked from the main Austen conference page here. And here is another link to it. We can use this topic to discuss films we wish to view before putting them up on the calendar. 19 new of 20 responses total.