~terry
Mon, Nov 4, 1996 (09:15)
seed
What are your top ten books of all time? You can list more
or less but try and put them in order, best first. Like this:
1. War and Peace
2. Gone with the Wind
etc...
You can repost later and let us know if you've changed your mind.
We won't hold you to your first picks.
~Mixu
Wed, Nov 6, 1996 (08:56)
#1
At the moment my list would look like (not in particular order - just the ten
I'd recommend to anybody...)
1. King of Elfland's Daughter
2. The Dispossessed
3. Flowers for Algernon
4. Lord of the Rings (what did you expect? The Spanish inquisition?)
5. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy
6. Master and Margarita
7. Dead Souls (not sure about the English name - Gogol's classic)
8. Dracula
9. Winnie the Pooh
10. Player of Games (AND Consider Phlebas)
Hmm... quite a sf-fantasy - heavy selection, I must admit...
personally, I prefer short stories and poetry.
~sfpclot
Thu, Nov 14, 1996 (23:06)
#2
1) Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon -- Ten years ago I was on a 36 hour bus trip and picked this book up to read on the way. I've read it 6 times since. Now that I think about it, maybe it's time to read it again.
2) Intelligent Agents by Timothy Leary -- I was 14 when I found this book. Opened my mind to the idea that science fiction was now. And that people could shape their own destinies and spin lives of wild fun, brilliant thinking and playful pranksterism. Also introduced me to the SMI(2)LE acronym. Space Migration, Intelligence Increase, Life Extension. The founding slogan of my current philosphies
3) Alice in Wonderland (and the rest of Lewis Carroll's works) - set the standard for imaginative heights.
4) Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson - Read it in one night and felt like I was tripping when I was through. Resonated through my mind and put into focus many half-formed ideas already percolating in my head.
5) Ham on Rye (and the rest of Bukowski's works) - brought me back to earth.
6) Scanner Darkly by Philip K. Dick -- Led me to the rest of Dick's works. The greatest fantasist of the 20th century. Way ahead of Baudrillard and Dennet.
7) 777 by Aleister Crowley -- See Intelligence Agents above.
8) Various essays by William Burroughs -- pragmatic linguistic shamanism
9) Collected short stories of Robert Sheckley -- Underrated SF author. Check out his short stories from the fifties. Now writing 'novelizations.'
10) Huckleberry Finn -- ...Well, then. . . I reckon I'd rather go to Hell. Since that's where all my friends are going to be.
Books I wish I'd read
Korzybski's Science and Sanity
Joyce's Finnegans Wake
Dante's Inferno
Blake's Heaven and Hell
Madame Ovary
etc., etc., 100000x etc.
~terry
Fri, Nov 15, 1996 (09:46)
#3
If you like Bukowski, be sure to check out Jan Hoiberg's website.
He's nuts about Bukowski and he runs his site for the Band here
on the Spring. You can get to his home page from the Band site we'll
be putting up here in a few days:
http://www.theband.com
Maybe you can encourage him to pump up Bukowski coverage and we could
do a special site for that.
~Mixu
Mon, Dec 2, 1996 (03:59)
#4
Yes, some books to recommend:
The Moomintroll books by Tove Jansson - the Finnish equivalent to Winnie the Pooh. Really great stories. Check the home page at:
http://www.exit109.com/~fazia/Moomin.html
~lance
Mon, May 19, 1997 (02:15)
#5
Well, I don't know if I'll get to ten, or if I can give them in order, but here are some favorites:
1. Plato's Republic (yes, this is, in my opinion, the best book ever written).
2. Spinoza's Ethics (close to number 1O.
3. King Lear (I could save space by inserting the collected works of Shakespeare).
4. Stendahl's The Charterhouse of Parma
5. George Eliot's Daniel Deronda
6. Pride and Prejudice
7. The Green Kingdom by Rachel Maddux (yes, I know that Maddux is an unknown, but this really is a remarkable book).
8. The Human Condition by Hannah Arendt (should be higher on the list).
9. The Economy of Cities by Jane Jacobs
10. Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville
11. One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
12. "As I Crossed a Bridge of Dreams" by Lady Sarashina (stories and poems by a woman of Heian Japan).
13. The Root and the Flower by L.H. Myers
14. The Duino Elegies by Rilke
~terry
Mon, May 19, 1997 (14:03)
#6
Why is the Republic the best book ever written in your opinion?
~autumn
Fri, Oct 10, 1997 (17:41)
#7
OK, here goes:
1. Kristin Lavransdatter, by Sigrid Undset.
2. Age of Innocence, Edith Wharton.
3. Remembrance of Things Past, Marcel Proust.
4. Pride & Prejudice, Jane Austen.
5. Death Comes for the Archbishop (or anything else by Willa Cather).
6. Mme. Bovary, Gustave Flaubert.
7. Great Gatsby, Scott Fitzgerald.
8. Delta Wedding, Eudora Welty.
9. Raise High the Roof Beams, Carpenter; JD Salinger.
10. The Awakening, Kate Chopin.
Whew! I didn't know if I was going to make it to 10. I almost panicked there for a minute...
~pmnh
Sat, Oct 11, 1997 (03:03)
#8
Why not?
1. The Great Gatsby (Fitzgerald)
2. The Winding Stair, and Other Poems (Yeats)
3. You Can't Go Home Again (Wolfe)
4. Letters from the Earth (Twain)
5. A Pen Warmed Up in Hell (Twain)
6. Farewell, My Lovely (Chandler)
7. On the Road (Kerouac)
8. Walden (Thoreau)
9. Ulysses (Joyce)
10.The Tower (Yeats)
~terry
Sun, Oct 19, 1997 (11:33)
#9
1. Joyce, Ulysses
2. Proust, A La Recherche de Temps Perdu
3. Chaucer, Canterbury Tales
4. Cervantes, Quixote
5. Sterne, Tristram Shandy
6. Goethe, Wilhelm Meisters Lehrjahre
7. Austen, Emma
8. Flaubert, Bovary
9. Dickens, Bleak House
10. Tolstoy, War and Peace
Honorable Mention
Dostoevsky, Brothers Karamazov
Faulkner, Light in August tied with East of Eden
Fowles, A Maggot
Calvino, If on a Winter's Night a Traveler
Austen, Mansfield Park
Austen, Pride and Prejudice
~amy2
Sun, Oct 19, 1997 (13:49)
#10
Wow! Terry -- this is quite a topic! Here is my list:
1) The First Circle - Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
2) Jane Eyre - Charlotte Bronte
3) Pride & Prejudice - Jane Austen
4) Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte
5) Les Miserables - Victor Hugo
6) The Morte D'Arthur - Thomas Mallory (Middle English version)
7) Rabbit At Rest - John Updike
8) Rabbit Is Rich - John Updike
9) Persuasion - Jane Austen
10) Cancer Ward - Solzhenitsyn
===
~Rochelle
Mon, Oct 20, 1997 (04:48)
#11
Um, sort of kinda (for now)
1. Wuthering Heights - Emily Bronte (ok, always this one, always no. 1)
2. The Last Unicorn - Peter S Beagle
3. The Haunting of Hill House - Shirley Jackson
4. The Divine Comedy - Dante
5. Jane Eyre - Charlotte Bronte
6. Ghost Stories of an Antiquary - M R James
7. The French Lietenant's Woman - John Fowles
8. The Killer Angels - Michael Shaara
9. Immortality - Milan Kundera
10. Picnic at Hanging Rock - Joan Lindsay
Ten is not enough - I could do 10 favourite collections of poetry.
~terry
Mon, Oct 20, 1997 (09:41)
#12
Please do, I'd love to hear this list!
Specialized top ten lists are welcome, eg. top ten romance novels, etc.
~amy2
Mon, Oct 20, 1997 (12:25)
#13
I love Immortality by Kundera! I also forgot to mention IVANHOE by Scott!!
~Rochelle
Mon, Oct 20, 1997 (23:10)
#14
Amy, I'd noticed that ommission!
Okay, top ten poetry books - forgetting The Divine Comedy which I should have
included here, but lets not get pedantic.
1. Emily Bronte, tied with
2. A Shropshire Lad/Last Poems/More Poems, A E Housman
3. Emily Dickinson
4. Christina Rossetti
5. Thomas Hardy
6. WB Yeats
7. Swinburne
8. Percy Bysshe Shelly
9. Sonnets, Shakespeare (whoops, almost forgot)
10. Thomas Wyatt
Yeah, I cheated. Assume these are collected works unless otherwise specified.
~pmnh
Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (04:18)
#15
Assuming, too, that these are collected works:
1. W.B. Yeats
2. Emily Dickinson
3. Robert Burns
4. John Keats
5. W.H. Auden
6. Walt Whitman
7. John Donne
8. Algernon Swinburne
9. T.S. Eliot
10.Percy Shelley
Hon. Mention to Tennyson, Byron, Housman, Pound, Wordsworth, (Dante) Rossetti,
Dowson, and Wallace Stevens. Oh, and Charles Baudelaire, and Arthur Rimbaud... Oh, hell, and Thomas Hardy, too ("A Broken Appointment" kills me)...
I obviously lack self-discipline...
(sorry)
~autumn
Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (12:26)
#16
Terry, I was glad to see you enjoyed Proust too--and obviously not in translation. So how about a French conference where we can sharpen our language skills? I bet I'm not the only one who's rusty around here.
~amy2
Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (13:44)
#17
I also nominate A.S. Byatt's POSSESSION; Saul Bellow's HUMBOLDT'S GIFT;
Alexander Dumas' THREE MUSKETEERS for sheer fun value; Thackeray's VANITY FAIR;
the collected short stories of Harlan Ellison & Ray Bradbury; Tolkien's LORD OF THE RINGS; MACBETH; LEAR; CANTERBURY TALES; PARADISE LOST.
~Luisa
Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (18:00)
#18
Picnic at Hanging Rock? Wow, quite a book and, according to my enthusiastic Mom, quite an Australian film, too (never seen it myself...)! Wish I could see it...
OK, here�s my list (but I�m only 18, I�m inclined to think that this is VERY temporary):
1.The Portrait of a Lady (Henry James)-I had a hard time accepting the ending, but it made me grow up a little. I love it for that. Ralph Touchett, the consumptive cousin, is someone I could fall in love with.
2.Jane Eyre...-I�ve been more in love with this book than I am currently, but it�s a helluva great novel and Rochester a helluva great man. ;-)
3.Fahrenheit (dear Lord, I can`t remember the number in the title, I always say just Fahrenheit---751?) by Ray Bradbury--very impressive writing. Loneliness is a theme that has always interested me. Books too.
4.Catcher in the Rye (J.D. Salinger)---can`t really explain. It helped me through a lot in my teenage years. Finally, a teenager I could identify with!
5.Victory (Joseph Conrad)--Alma and Heyst are two of my favourite lovers in Literature. Love almost without words...
6.The Hidden Flower (this is a direct translation of the Portuguese title, I don�t think it`s the right one) by Pearl Buck--culture clash, tender love story, sad ending. Great writing.
7.Villette-Charlotte Bronte. Lucy Snowe is wonderful.
8.Circle of Friends-Maeve Binchy. Simple writing, great human nature story.
9. Like Water for Chocolate-Laura Esquivel. Poetic, sad and happy at the same time. Interesting recipes. Magical quality to it.
10. Exodus-Leon Uris. Gave me a lot of inspiration and strength to face life.
I read all of Jane Austen`s novels and the one that most impressed me was Sense and Sensibility, though it�s not generally regarded as one of her best. I don�t care, I still loved it. It�s not an essential book for me, though. None of her novels are (IMHO...).
~Rochelle
Tue, Oct 21, 1997 (23:31)
#19
Ooops. Forgot Dante Gabriele Rossetti. I'd chuck in Wilfred Owen too, I guess,
and Cowper's "The Castaway" contains some of my most muttered lines.
Forgot "Possession" by Byatt as well! Weird, weird theory - bearing in mind I've
read none of the reviews and know nothing Byatt has said about it - but...
did anyone think Browning when they read about Ash, and Christina Rossetti when
they read about La Motte? I know you shouldn't read a book like that as a disguised
bio-fiction, and obviously there are a lot of generic victorian traits in the
characters, but it just struck me like that...
~terry
Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (01:55)
#20
I'll work on an area here where we can "parlons francais", as you can see I need
a lot of practice. Should it be a whole conference or just a topic somewhere,
like in say "cultures" or "travel", existing underutilized conferences.
Wow, I like these choices of top tens and they're giving me ideas for books to
read. Keep these top ten lists comin'!
~autumn
Wed, Oct 22, 1997 (22:49)
#21
A propos le francais: I think incorporating it as a topic under "cultures" or "travel" is terrific. The thrust would just be conversational anyway, so either conference would suit. I know what you mean about these book lists, I feel totally illiterate reading them--they are sending me scurrying to the library!
~terry
Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (04:08)
#22
What should we call the topic, toss out a French phrase for me to
use and pick one of those conferences.
~stacey
Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (11:44)
#23
A suggestion from the peanut gallery... Lassiez buon temps roulez!
Nope I don't know French, just enjoyed my stay in N.O.
My top ten lists change every few weeks so I don't recall if I've contributed. Not to play the spoiler but I couldn't get through Possession. I thought it dry and contrived. I do love Coehlo and Allende (unfortunately in translation only) "BY the River Piedra, I Sat Down and Wept" really affected me. I am affected!
Luisa, your list was quite reminicent of mine at your age... that's what English Lit will do to you! *smile* And, although I too have read just about every J. Austen book published, consider few of her works "necessary" to my happy existance.
~terry
Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (12:08)
#24
Check out the austenarchive topic sometime stacey!
~autumn
Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (14:28)
#25
You could stick it in "cultures" and call it simply "Parlez-vous francais?" That's pretty open-ended. Stacey, have you ever been to the new Jane Austen site, pemberley.com? Just curious--they will chew you up and spit you out with an attitude like that! :)
~Luisa
Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (19:04)
#26
I go to Pemberley EVERYDAY and I`m proud to say: I�M STILL HERE! (He, he, he) :D
~Rochelle
Thu, Oct 23, 1997 (20:49)
#27
Stacey, I understand what you mean about "Possession" being a bit contrived.
It's probably one of the reasons why it wouldn't make my top ten. If you can
suspend your disbelief to that degree, however, it is quite delightful. The
evocation of an age I found fascinating, although not as good as Fowles's "The
French Lietenant's Woman". What really struck a chord with me, probably because
I was doing my honours in English Lit at the time, was its portrayal of the
academic world. Its manueverings, in-fighting, treatment by some of knowledge as
a comodity, and depiction of the conflicts between different schools of literary
criticism was spot on.
~stacey
Fri, Oct 24, 1997 (16:05)
#28
I agree. I throughly enjoyed TFLW and I think state of mind as you begin a book plays a great part into what you get out of it. Gabriel Garcia Marquez I had to read twice before I was hooked. The surreal nature of his works offended me initially and eventually it is what I have come to enjoy most about his writing.
~Luisa
Sat, Oct 25, 1997 (06:41)
#29
I kinda forgot about one book that I`ve read more than once and that I still love: The Diary of Anne Frank. I�m glad we can return here as much as we want and correct our mistakes... ;-)
~terry
Sat, Oct 25, 1997 (10:02)
#30
Absolutely, we're in constant flux and revision here.
~Rochelle
Sun, Oct 26, 1997 (21:34)
#31
Does that open it up to non-fic? Another top ten coming on:
"Emily Bronte: Heretic" Stevie Davis
"The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln"
"Vita Nuova" Dante
"The Death of Forever"
"The Diary of Anne Frank"
"Lincoln at Gettysburg"
"The Legend of Elizabeth Siddal"
"The Rise and Fall of Anne Boleyn"
"Jerusalems Lost" Bob Ellis
"Abraham Lincoln" Carl Sanburg
How slack am I that I cant even remeber half the authors when I'm away from the
bookshelves? Can I do plays too, or are you all thouroughly sick of me?
"The Civil War" Shelby Foote
~terry
Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (09:50)
#32
Not at all, Elena, keep those lists coming!
~stacey
Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (11:11)
#33
One of my favorite plays... "Burn This" by (uh oh) tell you tomorrow.
~terry
Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (11:44)
#34
Samuel Beckett?
~autumn
Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (14:12)
#35
Ooh, I loved "Waiting for Godot" but don't know his "Burn This." Anything by Moliere would top my list (The Would-Be Invalid, The Misanthrope, etc. etc.), as well as Ionesco's "Rhinoceros" and "The King is Dying". Sartre's "No exit" and "The Flies" are up there, too.
~LorieS
Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (16:41)
#36
Bravo to "No Exit" and the Lincoln writings!!! I haven't yet figured out how to remember the authors myself long enough to do this, which is why I haven't posted lately. But plays I can remember! "Moon for the Misbegotten" by Eugene O'Neill; "Arcadia" by Tom Stoppard; "The Time of Your Life" by Saroyan. Oh, I'm probably a little lowbrow for this esteemed group, but let's add "A Thousand Clowns" and "Romantic Comedy" to the list (though the author's names escape me at the moment).
I enjoy seeing everyone's favorites and being shamed into reading more.
~Rochelle
Tue, Oct 28, 1997 (02:18)
#37
Forgot to include anything by Virginia Woolf! Am I being just too conventional
if I say I enjoyed "The Voyage Out" as much as "The Lighthouse"?
~pmnh
Wed, Oct 29, 1997 (03:04)
#38
Nonfiction:
1. Abraham Lincoln (Carl Sandburg)
2. Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans (Plutarch)
3. Robert the Bruce (Ronald McNair Scott)
4. Robert Kennedy and His Times (Arthur Schlesinger)
5. A Thousand Days (Arthur Schlesinger)
6. Personal Memoirs (U.S.Grant, as told to Mark Twain- probably)
7. Gallic Wars (Julius Caesar)
8. Plain Speaking (Harry Truman, as told to Merle Miller)
9. Miracle in Philadelphia (Eliz. Drinker Bowen)
10.King Arthur (Norma Lorre Goodrich)
Hon. Ment. to: Clarence Darrow (Irving Stone); Adversary in the House (Irving Stone); Annals of Imperial Rome (Tacitus); The Making of the President 1960 (Teddy White); Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye (Dave Powers/ Ken O'Donnell)
~Rochelle
Wed, Oct 29, 1997 (22:20)
#39
I went through the six volumes of Sandburg's Lincoln bio in under a week - I
lived those books when I was reading them! Like some reviewer once said, it's
hardly biography - to read those books is to walk with Lincoln. Trust a poet
to get it right.
Huge, huge mistake - I didn't include Isak Dinesen (Karen Blixen's) "Out of
Africa" and "Shadows on the Grass"
~pmnh
Thu, Oct 30, 1997 (02:23)
#40
Sandburg's Lincoln may very well have been my most enjoyable read- and read it in much the same way, a book a day- and was terribly depressed and disappointed when it came to an end. In fact, when I saw the category listed "the book you couldn't put down", this is the book which came instantly to my mind. Have read just about everything written about Lincoln, but none were nearly as fine (did enjoy Gore Vidal's "Lincoln" immensely, but it's really not nonfiction, is it?). It was, indeed, like walking wi
h the man himself...
~Rochelle
Tue, Nov 4, 1997 (01:45)
#41
Aaagghh. Can't believe I forgot Vidal's "Lincoln"! You're absolutely right -
that book is so close to reality (far more so than the dozens of purported
bios I've read) that it almost classifies as non-fiction.
~LorieS
Thu, Nov 6, 1997 (18:38)
#42
How interesting that there are so many Lincoln fans out there. Terry, is it time for a new conference?
Has anyone heard of a book (or read) "The Shadows Rise: Abraham Lincoln & the Anne Rutledge Legends"? I asked for it for about three Christmases in a row, but no one could find it. I think it was from a small university press (probably in Illinois).
~pmnh
Thu, Nov 6, 1997 (18:51)
#43
Is this a scholarly book? What is the substance of it?
And some different history conferences would be cool, if there's any interest...
~nomad
Thu, Nov 6, 1997 (19:52)
#44
Favorite 10 books in no particular order
Plutarchs Lives
Alexander by Arrian
Vanity Fair by Thackery
Three Musketeers by Dumas
Persuasion by Austen
Jane Eyre by Bronte
Wuthering Heights by Bronte
Prince and the Pauper by Twain
Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption by Bachman (King)
All the Vampire Chronicles by Rice
These are 10 I will read again and again so I guess that makes them favorites.
I also love Poe and will read him over and over again. This was tough. Should be your top 100.(totally impractical but easier) :-)
~Rochelle
Fri, Nov 7, 1997 (01:37)
#45
There is certainly - ABSOLUTELY - interest in a Lincoln conference from this
particular quarter...and I'm an Australian!
~terry
Fri, Nov 7, 1997 (08:05)
#46
We could start one. More details, Elena the Aussie!
~LorieS
Fri, Nov 7, 1997 (15:52)
#47
History conferences? with threads for different time periods? Or historical personalities? For Lincoln, at least, we could have threads on a number of topics. But it seems to me that perhaps he should be part of a U.S. Civil war conference, and that could bring in other topics of interest.
But I'm open to what works and brings in other interested and interesting posters. Anyone else?
~terry
Fri, Nov 7, 1997 (17:10)
#48
Let me know when you all finally decide and I'll create it for you.
~Rochelle
Mon, Nov 10, 1997 (23:33)
#49
Yep, history conferences. The Civil War sounds like as good a place to start
as any! That's my vote cast.
~didi
Wed, Dec 3, 1997 (18:39)
#50
Mine:
1) Catcher in The Rye :JD Salinger. Just love the ramblings of a mad man
as much as the next person.
2) The Color Purple : Alice Walker. The film does it no justice.
3) To Kill a Mocking Bird : Can't remember author. Top bloke though.
4) Hamlet : Bill Shakespeare. Not a book as such but action packed and
going for it!! What did anyone think of Kenneth Brannagh's adaptation?
5) Hooligan Summer: ?. Great teen-read.
6) Of mice and men:Steinbeck. Forced to read this at school and was
actually physically moved by the end (won't ruin it.)
7) The Scarecrows:Robert Westall.
8) Great Expectations:Charles Dickens
9) Beginners guide to Freud. Much needy text for degree level psychology.
10) The Lady of Shalott:Tennyson. Strictly speaking not a book but why
bind ourselves to certain areas of literary.
Its actually really hard to do this but makes you realise that you haven't
read enough. Guilt setting in.
~mikeg
Wed, Dec 3, 1997 (18:50)
#51
Here's mine. I'm not entirely sure about the order, but here we go...
1) Prelude to Foundation, Isaac Asimov. Great adventure story and
an excellent intro to the wonderful Foundation series itself.
2) Virtual Community, Howard Rheingold. A seminal book, and a must-read
for all net-heads!
3) I have a complaint to make, Guy Bellamy. A great book about a neurotic
twenty-something in England. Quote:
"Well, any fool can go to work! Surviving without it
is a much more subtle manoeuvre." *grin*
4) Green Mars, K.S. Robinson. A great study of martian life and society.
Read it for the "scenery", read it for the sci-fi, or read it for
the cultural message - three books in one!
5) Blue Mars, K.S. Robinson - as above!
6) The Nudists, Guy Bellamy. Sex, relationships and intrigue - and
extremely funny!
7) 2010, Arthur C. Clarke. Butchered by the Hollywood film makers,
the book is wonderful!
8) 2001, Arthur C. Clarke. Read the book, then use it to decipher
the film :)
9) Immediate Action, Andy McNab. The story of one cockney chap's
life in the British Special Forces.
10) Goodbye doesn't mean forever. Probably one of the most moving
books I've ever read. One teenage girl's struggle against cancer,
and how she and her closest friend cope with it. I was moved to
tears repeatedly.
~Rochelle
Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (02:07)
#52
Re "To Kill a Mockingbird" - it was Harper Lee, wasn't it? And I might be
completely off-base, but wasn't Lee a woman?
Re "Blue Mars" - I made my little brother's day by waiting around half a day
at a s/f bookshop to get a copy of "Red Mars" signed by Robinson for him (we
don't get that many s/f writers visiting here in Sydney). Then I managed to
"accidently" pick up and purchase a media release copy of "Blue Mars"
that had been left on a counter a month before the general release date...that
went down remarkable well...
~autumn
Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (12:14)
#53
Harper Lee is indeed a woman, and if my memory serves me right, she was in her early twenties when she wrote "Mockingbird" (first novel too).
~mikeg
Thu, Dec 4, 1997 (16:44)
#54
I can't say that I enjoyed Red Mars as much as I did Green/Blue. All three together make an interesting set though!!!
I've never read Mockingbird, but maybe I should...
~KitchenManager
Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (01:48)
#55
No order on mine, they're all equal,
and tomorrow they could very well all
be different. I would, or have, reread them all
and would recommend them. So the first ten to
come to mind are:
Black Elk Speaks
The Scarlet Letter
Othello
Johnny Got His Gun
The Red Badge of Courage
Journey to the Center of the Earth
Brave New World
Stranger in a Strange Land
Cry to Heaven
Satan: His Psychotherapy and Cure
by the unfortunate Dr. Kassler, j.s.p.s.
~mikeg
Sun, Dec 7, 1997 (07:33)
#56
Definitely Othello! I saw a movie version of it a few years ago,
which really opened my eyes to Shakespeare. I can't actually *read*
Shakespeare any more - I have to see it, something which I don't get much
time for :(
I'm desperately trying to find a copy of Brave New World. Nowhere in
Brighton seems to want to sell me a second-hand copy (people must be
holding on to it!), so I guess I'll have to buy a new one.
~autumn
Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (14:12)
#57
Don't they have it at your library? In our system, it's kept in the "young adult reading list" section--it's a classic! I'm afraid I wasn't familiar with most of your picks, wer, but I have to say I found Hawthorne's "Scarlet Letter" a big snooze.
~mikeg
Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (14:46)
#58
Our library? I doubt it, although I'll admit I haven't looked. It's
such a hassle just to try and find a book, and generally they're not
on the shelves anyway....such is the state of our college :/
~Charlotte
Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (15:13)
#59
WER, You might try http://www.amazon.com.
I find their prices consistently lower than bookstores, and you
cannot beat the convenience.
~mikeg
Mon, Dec 8, 1997 (17:49)
#60
Well, rather the point was that I don't want to spend the ridiculous
price that new books cost - I'd like to read Brave New World, but I don't
intend to pay 8 or 9 pounds (erm...$1.6 = �1.00 - you do the math :)
for the priviledge, especially as there's a good chance I'll hate it :)
But thanks for the suggestion anyway :)
~MichaelMullen
Tue, Jan 6, 1998 (21:51)
#61
This topic is too good to pass up, but immediately induces a crisis. Here
goes...
1. Tom Jones -- Fielding is so funny and Tom is such a mess.
2. War & Peace -- Because of Pierre, especially when Moscow burns
3. Little Dorrit -- Standing in for all of Dickens. This is my favorite ... so gloomy yet so funny.
4. The Brothers Karamazov -- Take turns sympathizing with all of the characters, even the bad ones!
5. Pride & Prejudice -- Standing in for all of Austen. Hard to choose between this one & Emma
6. Moll Flanders -- Standing in for all of Defoe. Remember: Be very careful when trying to steal a feather bed from a burning house.
7. Evelina (Fanny Burney) -- Okay I'm stuck on the 18th century, but I don't know anyone who can put this down once started
8. Three Lives (Gertrude Stein) -- I think Stein is screamingly funny, too, if you have the patience for her. The Good Anna in 3 Lives talks just like my Grandmother did.
9. Les Liaisons Dangereuses (LaClos) -- Irresistible.
10. Gemini (or Les Meteores) by Michel Tournier. I'm forgetting tons, but I needed to put in something contemporary. O.K. I'm done, even though I feel disloyal to countless others. Wah!
~Wolf
Tue, Jan 6, 1998 (22:10)
#62
On your #9, bet the book was much better than the movie and those attempts
to duplicate it (i.e., Valmont, and The End of Innocence-think that's the name-
had Winona Ryder in it)
~autumn
Wed, Jan 7, 1998 (13:31)
#63
Yeah, I never bought Winona as May Archer in "Age of Innocence" (which is in my top 10, by the way), though Michele Pfeiffer as Ellen seemed appropriate. I need to revise my list--I left out my beloved "Confederacy of Dunces" by John Kennedy O'Toole. Guess I'll have to bump Kate Chopin's "The Awakening."
~Wolf
Wed, Jan 7, 1998 (22:25)
#64
No, Chopin's Awakening was soooo good (although I didn't like the ending).
Have to add Mark Twain's Diary of Adam and Eve and just about everything
Charles Dickens wrote. And Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights. But please
don't make me put 'em in order!
~MichaelMullen
Thu, Jan 8, 1998 (16:32)
#65
I haven't seen any of the movies of Les Liaisons Dangereuses, just read
the Penguin English translation. It's wildly good. I can imagine it
making a good movie, but I can't imagine a movie being as twisted and
scintillating as the book, which is entirely in letters between the
characters. Check it out!
~Wolf
Thu, Jan 8, 1998 (20:56)
#66
oh, I bet that's good........
~autumn
Thu, Jan 8, 1998 (22:21)
#67
Another one for the must-read list! Since I've seen the film, I'll just read the letters whilst picturing Glenn Close, Michelle Pfeiffer, Swoosie Kurtz and John Malchovic (firth! firth!)
~Wolf
Thu, Jan 8, 1998 (22:23)
#68
Ooh, John Malcovich (sorry david, but john's right up there). I don't care what
type of character he plays, that guy's sexy...........(firth, oh god, am making a mess!)
~niteslyr
Fri, Jan 9, 1998 (08:14)
#69
here I go with my list:
10) Dragonlance Legends trilogy -- memorable quotes abound in here
9) Jane Eyre
8) The Moon and Sixpence
7) Anna Karenina
6) Wuthering Heights
5) The Time Machine
4) Spring Torrents
3) Ender's Game (although it got weird at the end. =)
2) Beloved
1) The Westing Game (a very fast read)
Well, that's about it!
~terry
Fri, Jan 9, 1998 (11:51)
#70
What's Spring Torrents? Who's the author? What's it about?
~autumn
Sat, Jan 10, 1998 (17:05)
#71
Ditto for selections 1-3.
~EmpZoltar
Sun, Feb 22, 1998 (10:49)
#72
In no particular order:
Moby Dick
The Three Musketeers
Les Miserables
Parting the Waters (a history of the Civil Rights Movement)
A Canticle for Leibowitz
Shakespeare's Collected Works (is that cheating?)
Shatterday
The Chronicles of Narnia
Fahrenheit 451
Ender's Game
~autumn
Mon, Feb 23, 1998 (19:09)
#73
I think we've said before that anthologies are OK to count as one. What is "Shatterday" about and who wrote it, Adam?
~EmpZoltar
Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (00:26)
#74
Shatterday is a collection of short stories and essays by Harlan Ellison. They range from the humorous to the marrow chilling, all of them incredibly rich in language and meaning. Ellison is perhaps my favorite author, and I like his essays even more than his fiction. Ellison started his career writing SF and screenplays, but has gained more critical acceptance (for what that's worth), and I would recommend his work to anyone that loves to read. His fiction style is very much like that of Borges or Ma
quez - I think the term is "magic realism". His essays are kind of like an intellectual kick in the crotch with a splash of spice - they really challenge your preconceptions and force you to think.
~EmpZoltar
Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (00:30)
#75
BTW, there was a discussion earlier in this thread of "Les Liasons Dangerouses" (sp?) Have any of you seen "Valmont"? It came out at about the same time as "Dangerous Liasons". It was directed by Milos Forman, and it also does _not_ have Keanu Reeves in it, two points in its favor.
~terry
Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (00:35)
#76
I remember reading "I have no mouth and I must scream" where the last man
on earth is kept alive by a computer as payback to the human race. I
forget which anthology it was in, though.
~terry
Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (00:35)
#77
Ok to enter this response? y
Warning: a comment slipped in ahead of yours at 75!
This has happened to me twice tonight, I don't know if I can handle to shock!
~EmpZoltar
Tue, Feb 24, 1998 (22:56)
#78
"I have no mouth..." is in the anthology of the same name. That story gives me the heebie-jeebies, priamrily due to some of the creepy images Ellison gives us. I bought the CD-rom game of the story - it's a very disturbing "game" - there is, quite simply, no way to win.
~terry
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (00:15)
#79
Kind of like life sometimes?
~KitchenManager
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (14:50)
#80
Sometimes?...
~Wolf
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (20:59)
#81
for some people!
~autumn
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (20:59)
#82
Have not read "Valmont"--same author as "Liaisons"?
~Wolf
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:02)
#83
think valmont was a spin off of liasons. at least the storyline is the same.
valmont has the now infamous (at least here) colin firth, hence all the firthing...
~autumn
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (21:50)
#84
Are you joshing me??
~Wolf
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (22:17)
#85
would i do that? *grin*
~autumn
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (22:45)
#86
Hmmm...guess I'll have to rent it and see for myself (firth, firth)!
~Wolf
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (22:50)
#87
dunno, i prefer john malkovich as the viscount.....droooling!
~Wolf
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (22:51)
#88
or the marques de valmont, or whatever the title was *grin*
~autumn
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (22:59)
#89
Marquis, viscount, whatever! Am picturing it too....mmmm....
~terry
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (23:00)
#90
Uh oh, wolf is drooling...
~terry
Wed, Feb 25, 1998 (23:00)
#91
slipage!
~EmpZoltar
Thu, Feb 26, 1998 (00:03)
#92
Yes, both "Valmont" and "Dangerous Liasons" are based on the same book. "Dangerous Liasons" is an attempt to present an adaptation of the play on the big screen, while "Valmont" is direct from the novel to the screen. I preferred "Valmont", but I don't have a thing for John Malkovich, although I can't wait to see him in "The Man in the Iron Mask" w/ Gerard Depardieu.
~autumn
Fri, Feb 27, 1998 (22:37)
#93
Can't wait to read your review in the movie conference!
~Wolf
Sat, Feb 28, 1998 (22:27)
#94
I can't wait to see that one either, Adam. Thanks for clearing of the liasons/
valmont connection. don't really know which one of them i liked the best. would
prefer to read the book, although haven't gotten around to it yet. I'm with Autumn,
can't wait to read your review. A lot of good actors in that one, too.....and I
adore Gerard Depardieu (but only saw him in Green Card)...
~EmpZoltar
Sun, Mar 1, 1998 (12:30)
#95
Ooooh. Green Card. That could have been an excellent movie, if it didn't star the nauseatingly bad female Keanu Reeves, Andie McDowell. For Depardieu fans, I highly recommend "Cyrano de Bergerac" - especially if you like swashbuckling and poetry.
Back to books, however, my wife and I are currently reading "Les Miserables" aloud to each other. I think the abridged version might have been a better idea... so far, we're about 100 pages into it, and all we know is that the Bishop of Digne is a really, really nice guy... I had forgotten all the exposition since I read it several years ago.
~Wolf
Sun, Mar 1, 1998 (12:42)
#96
that's great that you share reading. don't think i could ever convince my hubby
to do that. of course, his interests art a little different from mine.
speaking of keanu, i liked him in a walk among the clouds, his voice wasn't so
monotonous. he's nice to look at if he keeps his mouth closed *laugh*
~terry
Sun, Mar 1, 1998 (20:36)
#97
Now, now, I kind of like Andie, though she does border on saccharine
sometimes.
~autumn
Sun, Mar 1, 1998 (21:18)
#98
My all-time favorite Depardieu film is "Jean de Fleurette"--get this in the foreign section of your video store, Wolf! You won't be sorry!
Adam, I hope you and your wife save the passages about the glass industry from "Les Mis" for bedtime. I can't think of a better sedative! (By the way, I am insanely jealous of you two!)
~EmpZoltar
Mon, Mar 2, 1998 (09:00)
#99
We started this while my wife was pregnant with our son, as a way to relax us both before bedtime and wind down the day. Our first book was _The Hobbit_, followed by _The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe_. I'm pushing for _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_ next, but we'll have to see about that.
~KitchenManager
Tue, Mar 3, 1998 (01:02)
#100
Not _Time Enough For Love_?