secure chat — Deeper

~sysop Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (09:29) seed

This chat area, as are the other areas of this conference, is only viewable by the members of this conference. You can see a list of members by clicking on the 'users' button on the web version. Let's talk.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (09:54) #1

Good morning everyone! The next scheduled chat is at noon Austin time today (Sunday 12/29/96).

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (10:11) #2

You can use this topic just like a chat room. If you're in Netscape control-r will refresh your screen. When this topic gets to full we'll archive it and renew it.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (12:11) #3

I'm here on schedule. Is anyone here?

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (14:22) #4

Guess not.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (19:58) #5

OK. You all went to NetMeeting! Meet here at 10!

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (21:57) #6

Terry, I couldn't get CoolEdit. You said they had been having problems with their FTP? Kaff got it today, though. Why don't we try to keep tonight's discussion to the Children's story site. There are lots of other things we need to talk about -- like, you wanted me to remind you to get superuser status for Myretta -- but when you work this way, I think it is easier to tackle one thing at a time.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (21:59) #7

Questions about childrens story. Is it profit or non profit? Why do they want to accomplish. Any written goals or anything we could see to get an idea of what the aim is? Target ages?

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:03) #8

I'm here!

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:04) #9

Hi Kaff.

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:04) #10

Let's hope we all end up in the same place this time! :)

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:05) #11

Let's hope we all end up in the same place this time! :)

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:05) #12

Children's story is profit. It's Jonathon Langley's site that he's prototyping for an IBM project.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:06) #13

I need to get a better handle on the TV-PC site. I guess it is content especially suited for set top boxes, supported by advertising? I need to go get a demo of a Magnovox unit or something so I can see what is able to be viewed on those things.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:07) #14

Supported by advertising. Prototpye funded by IBM. Excuse my ignorance. Johnathon is who?

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:07) #15

You don't really need a set top box. But keep in mind the area is 512 pixesl I believe instead of the usual 640 wide.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:09) #16

No I don't want to buy one. But I would be curious to go see one in a store. See what regular web pages look like, and how this lower rez way of preparing grpahics helps the viewability.

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:09) #17

Ah, smaller than usual - I guess because TVs are bigger, I was thinking the viewing area would be larger.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:10) #18

No it's smaller.

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:12) #19

As to the Children's site: I am assuming that what you would want from Amy and I is to find public domain stories and illustrations, to create web pages using them, plus including realAudio readings of the stories. What browser/plug-ins are included on Web TV?

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:13) #20

Terry, did you submit a proposal or anything? Or what more can you tell us about what they expect. Who it's for, etc.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:17) #21

I am looking at TVPC. The other sections are mostly links now. It doesn't look like there is much custom content, like the Childrens story section would be,

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:19) #22

So this is in Austin. I am looking at the local page. Plans for expansion? What is IBM's involvement? Fill us in Terry!

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:20) #23

What is Austen 360, Terry? Is it related or just linked?

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:22) #24

I haven't looked at the TVPC page - I'll go check it out now.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:23) #25

And Matrix Solutions. That is Jonathon?

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:25) #26

Austin 360 is the local newspapers site, I did some work on it in the early stages.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:26) #27

Jonathon is tvpc and childrens stories.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:26) #28

Matrix Solutions is a friend of his at IBM who did the java and frames after we did the basic content.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:27) #29

Okay, so right now it is mostly links, but custom stuff is being developed for the various sections, and you have contracted to do just the children's story section. Right?

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:28) #30

Okay, it is beginning to come together. Forgive me, Terry, but I always like to know how big the picture is and where I fit in.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:31) #31

Correct. We're just doing that piece now. And we have Jonathon's machines connected to our T-1s at Prismnet and at Bastrop.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:32) #32

So the first need to to get more stories up. Any guidelines about target age. Like, could we do the Alice books? It is in public domain and there are illustrations available for it too. That could become important. The illustrations up now, are those custom drawings? Who did the proto design? Any idea why she is not continuing?

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:33) #33

Prismnet. That is a new name.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:34) #34

I have written a little about etexts for Prodigy, so I know the sites and where to get the texts and a little about fair use.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:34) #35

See the topic in this conference about Prismnet. They supply access.spring.com, barton.spring.com and www.spring.com with T-1 access.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:36) #36

What kind of budget are we talking about? I assume we need a professional reader. That's why I thought of my actress friend, who would come cheap but not free.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:36) #37

There's also Project Gutenberg. Henry seems to have done a pretty good job with the Jane Austen texts.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:37) #38

Okay, on Prism. Terry, don't get annoyed with all my questions. I just like to know.

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:37) #39

I also spoke to my friend and she would be interested as well. How many stories are we looking for?

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:38) #40

Henry is great with text. Knows AWK. He might want to help but I doubt he would take on the project as a whole.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:39) #41

See the budget topic in this conference. If you need more than what is in the budget for a particular project, I have to go to the client with a new proposal, which I'll be happy to do. Jonathon is flexible as long as I don't bill him more than $600-$700 in a single billing. I have $750 coming from Texaltel for the prototype site (legislator).

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:40) #42

Which is more urgent, Terry? IS either place starting to bug you to get going?

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:40) #43

Jonathon hasn't said how many. He's looking for us to take this by the horns and provide him with guidance. There are a few hundred illustrations we can use that I ftped to the site from a CD that he gave me.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:43) #44

Both are about equal. I'd like to get them both done next week and bill out about $1,500, part of which has to go for paying Prismnet and Bastrop IS and the Internic.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:44) #45

What is the URL for the illustrations? Do you have any clue how much he expects per $750 hit?

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:44) #46

The budget I put up in the topic is a tentative projection. Not a final statement. But it should be useful to get a better idea of the financing.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:45) #47

So the children's story thing is ongoing. Some stories this month you can bill for right away, then more later? How about the legislator's thing? A one-shot?

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:48) #48

Terry, I guess Kaff and I need to talk and see how much time we have immediately and kind of figure out the steps and time involved. I can work on it this week. Have one writing assignment also but it is not all consuming, unless I let it become so, as I am wont to do. ; )

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:49) #49

I'm going to slip into the shower for about 10-15 mins. Y'all carry on ok.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:50) #50

That sounds like a good idea. But I need something pretty soon on both sites. Figure out your compensation plan and try to fit it into the budgetary constraints. Look at the finance topic here in 'deeper'.

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:51) #51

I'm off work until the 6th, and have plenty of free time. Re: The stories that have already been done - Would you allow some redesign?

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:52) #52

So when you say he is looking for guidance, that means maybe there isn't a plan for target ages and such? Well, I guess my mom experience shall come in handy. Another easy way to get up some content would be to do a links page, as I think you mentioned. Actually Alilce in Wonderland is already in HTML, so maybe a way to get a jump start on the site would be to do the links page first. It seems that is the evolutionary pattern for the other sections. Has he had any luck attracting advertisers? Or is he waiting for more,/better content befor pitching it much?

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:52) #53

The legislators thing will be ongoing. There will be about 200 or so websites generated along the line. Each new one will be cookie cuttered from the prototype. Perhaps we could set up a form that the legislators could fill in on the website and then we could copy it in to the webpages.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:53) #54

redesign would be good on what's been done to date.

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:53) #55

Amy - If Terry's taking off for a few, would you like to move to the Solicitor's office - its a little easier to chat with.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:53) #56

Okay, Kaff should we sign off too and think about this?

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:54) #57

He's waiting for more and better content but he wants to put up ads anyway to show the idea. We can give away some free ads for the time being.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:54) #58

Will you be up for a while? I need to check on my houseguest. I am being terribly neglectful.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:55) #59

Why not talk it up here then I could catch up when I get out of the shower.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:56) #60

I'll be back in a while. I don't know how late I'll be up. I have to get up early and go to work.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:56) #61

I am ready to go, Terry. Kaff can we say we'll have a rough plan by tomorrow night for this month's work on childrens story at least?

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:56) #62

I'll be up. I have to admit, I think this will be fun - and I'm certain we can get some good content started in a week.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:57) #63

] I have to get up early and go to work. ___ It's going alright, though, Terry? How is going to the office everyday suiting you?

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:57) #64

Yes. I'll probably stick around in Pemberley tonight. If you want to stop by we can move over the office.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:58) #65

You build the plan, I'll print it and run it by Jonathon's. Remember: look good on a tv use the gifs we have (several hundred) do at least a few samples of real aduio with much more projected. encorporate some ads.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:58) #66

Okay. We'll talk in 45 minutes or so. Then, Terry, we'll do another 3-way somewhere tomorrow night? What is a good time for you? 8/7?

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:58) #67

That's a good time. Ten is ok too.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:59) #68

Be back in a bit...

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (22:59) #69

"use the gifs we have (several hundred)" Can I alter them at all?

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (23:00) #70

What's better for you tomorrow Kaff? I will catch up with you in the Drawing Room in a little bit.

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (23:00) #71

Perhaps y'all could read the other topics and pose some questions or add some comments. And make some project topics for austen.com if you like!

~terry Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (23:01) #72

You can alter them. They're at childrenstory. There's also http://www.spring.com/~child I think they're there too. I'll email Amy the password and set her up with su. be back in a bit... I'm gone for now.

~Amy Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (23:01) #73

Okay Terry, tomorrow night, then if not sooner. 8/7 or 11/10 either is okay for me just somebody let me know which. Gotta go.

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (23:02) #74

Anytime in the evening is fine with me.

~Kaffeine Sun, Dec 29, 1996 (23:02) #75

Okay - lets do 11/10 tomorrow night. See you here!

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:09) #76

Here, I will just tidy up the conference table here while I wair for you too. Nobody here drinks decaf, do they? Would that not be insupportable?

~Kaffeine Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:12) #77

Decaf Diet Pepsi, please. :)

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:12) #78

Questions I did not put in our little plan: Where is the RealAudio server? Got us on root status now? Okay to use images other than the gifs in the directory here? Kaff, it seems like there was something else.

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:13) #79

Oh Kaff. No Jolt?

~Kaffeine Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:14) #80

Only if he needs this completed by tomorrow morning! [G]

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:15) #81

Terry! Terry? Are you in NetMeeting?

~Kaffeine Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:24) #82

No sign of Terry yet? Perhaps we should e-mail him?

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:24) #83

5 more minutes, Kaff? Terry if we take off, maybe you can just comment on the plan in email to both of us.

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:24) #84

I'm here.

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:25) #85

I sent one about 5 minutes ago.

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:26) #86

Hi Terry.

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:26) #87

Hi Amy and Kaff. Who all's here?

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:27) #88

Just us again, Terry. We want to get all nailed down on the childrenstory thing first. Myretta has some questions about root and Yapp. We might want to arrange to do that tomorrow if you will be available.

~Kaffeine Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:28) #89

Hi Terry! Its just the three of us, I believe.

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:31) #90

Terry, you got my mail proposing what we want to do as initial steps?

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:35) #91

I haven't read my mail tonight. Right now I'm exhausted.

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:36) #92

Let's do this another time, then. We really just wanted reaction to that and a go ahead. Can't think when you are tired.

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:37) #93

I really enjoyed visiting kaf's web sites, esp. the Antonio Banderas one. That was nice! No it's ok... I'm going to drink some caffiene.

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:38) #94

er, caffeine.

~Amy Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:38) #95

Okay. I''ll go make a pot too. 5 minutes?

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:39) #96

I'm reading your email.

~Kaffeine Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:39) #97

Thanks Terry! Amy's got the Jolt...

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:41) #98

My mail is loading in now in another window.

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:42) #99

Now how did I do that? Response to number 2? Interesting huh?

~terry Mon, Dec 30, 1996 (22:43) #100

I don't see your email. Just the two about chown problems.