Thank you, Arami. I did look there and did not find what I was seeking. Perhaps it does not exist. I wanted a page with thumbnails and the name of actor and character. Will check these more closely and hope. Of course, I can always do it the hard way and create one of my own!!! I am glad you are here. You cannot imagine how disappointed I was dashing in last night and posting my first thoughts. Then all day looking for people to talk to, but no one posted. Of all of Firth's ouvre, I think this used his considerable talents the least. I was disappointed. Perhaps I need to see it again...and again...=)

Try these: http://www.teleport.com/~aeneas/Shakeslinks.shtml http://www.atnzone.com/shakespeare.shtml http://www.miramax.com:8888/mm_front/owa/mp.entryPoint?action=0&midStr=742 http://www.usatoday.com/life/enter/movies/lfilm486.htm http://www.mrqe.com/lookup?Shakespeare+in+Love http://www.bomis.com/cgi-bin/ring.cgi?page=8&ring=shakespeareinlove http://www.multimedia.calpoly.edu/libarts/smarx/Shakespeare_resources/Shak_inLove/SM_Sh_in_Love.HTML I know what you mean - I also feel short-changed when I see an outstanding talent doing a cameo. But what else could he do, having initially been rejected by Julia Roberts as Shakespeare to her proposed Viola? Six years on, he was no longer young enough... Still, it was a good thing to be associated with this production. It's edifying to see he can swallow false pride and harbour no resentment, and just get on with the job in hand.

Wessex Was the only role for him in this movie, and I am so happy it is a big success. I have a thought on how they could have made it commercially viable (that is the reason for most of the movies being made, is it not?). I did not have to see GP's breasts, nor see other sexual activities so graphically depicted to understand the story line. IMHO,if these had been toned-down a bit, it would not have the R rating and would have a wider audience. Thanks for the links. Am going hunting straight way.

BTW, I read this entire Board before seeing SIL. I like to know the story and as much of the detail as possible beforehand so I do not waste precious time trying to figure out what the author was trying to say. This is not really a Spoiler Board; I used it as a most valuable and knowledgable place to gain insight before indulging my senses with this visually gratilfying experience.

Harumph!! And I was afraid to mention anything about his various spellings as he was practicing his signature when you brought it up on the other board a couple of days ago. Regarding the sex scenes, inocuous as they were, my favorite scene in the entire movie is the bedroom scene which is closely cut with the rehearsal for the R&J balcony scene. You know the one with "Would you leave me without satisfaction." "Wait, madam, I come again." (close but not exact) That was absolutely fantastic, a brilliant job of editing and writing. Kids see far more on television these days to necessitate cutting out anything from this movie, even Gwynnie's little bubbies (isn't that how Webster said it!!) ;-)

Of course, you are right about what kids see and know nowadays, but will that R rating keep them from seeing it (read: Spending their money on it,) thus make less for the backers and make the actors less valuable in the eyes of the casting directors? I am desperately trying to get him into something he apparently does not want: a good solid worthy-of-his-talents motion picture which makes money. And so do we all. Can I claim a connection to CF via the Hemming brothers in SIL? Tenuous, at best... Probably only to (W)essex...

Now, now, don't play down Colin's role. IMO it wasn't a just a cameo. There's been much discussion here about how he coulda/shoulda/woulda been the lead, something I didn't necessarily agree with (although this last time I saw it, I started to change my mind). I thought he was great as Wessex. Just the right degree of snarling, wonderful bowing and scraping, etc. Lots of humor ("now listen here, nursie"..."are you taking your laundrywoman with you?"...and the ever-popular "is she ferTILE?" and "you ar allowed to show your pleasure.") Definitely not a crowd-pleasing, popular part, though. See it again if you can, Marcia. I found it even better the second (and third!) time around. ...And so do we all. Of course we do, but for now, I'll take what I can get. If he keeps working (last year was such a drag for us fans) and all this publicity keeps up, it will be but a matter of time.

If there are any of you who have not been over to 113, we have a new keepsake list going. You are welcome to claim something! Response 475 of 475: MarciaH (MarciaH) * Thu, Feb 25, 1999 (16:22) * 9 lines Keepsakes from Shakespeare in Love Wessex' Pearl Earring, Renate Wessex' Blue Tights, EileenG Wessex' Sapphire and Gold Index-Finger Ring, Marcia Wessex' Ruff, Arami The Song Wessex Sings, SBR Wessex' Horse, AnnW Wessex' Sword and Scabbard, KJart Wessex' Flumpfy Hat with Tickly Feather, Nan

Eileen, I know I will love it the more I see it. There is so much meaty stuff in there to grab hold of, it will take *many* airings to see it all =). I discovered, not altogether happily, that as a "senior" at a matinee I paid $3.75 US to see it ($4 regular matinee prices). How were the prices elsewhere? Those were terrific lines you quoted and we all laughed at their expert delivery and pointedness. Her Father's recommendations of her in the role of wife reminded me of TA and the father of that daug ter who was a little free with her hands and other things. His recommendation of her was about as blunt! Whatever CF does, Keep his name in the public. I agree it is too long since we have seen anything new, and this is the first time I could not stop, slo-mo, rewind and drool again. I would Love to see P&P2 on the big screen!!!

I am desperately trying to get him into something he apparently does not want: a good solid worthy-of-his-talents motion picture which makes money. And so do we all. Well said Marcia! I think he does want it though....I'm sure I sensed in some of his interviews a tinge of regret that he didn't have the lead role in SIL. He must realise the knock-on effect a role like this has on an actor's career, and post-Darcy, I still don't think he's had the break or role he deserves. Hey there, Hollywood!! Are you listening?!

Hmmmmm.....

Hi, I'm new, so please stay with me... My friend and I (loyal CF devotees) went to see SIL. It was a great movie altogether... The only problem was that whenever we laughed, it was usually at opposite times to the rest of the audience. Every time Wessex (CF is quite adorable in the villian-type role) came out on top in a fight, or said something witty, we would cackle and consequently receive some very strange looks from the 'Will' supporters in the audience.

Welcome Mannen! The only problem was that whenever we laughed, it was usually at opposite times to the rest of the audience. You shouldn't consider it a "problem." The rest of the audience were Philistines. You and your friend *got it* ;-) Colin had his share of witty lines (see Eileen's posting above), but not enough screen time.

Aloha, Mannen. Pop down to 113 and think of a keepsake from SiL you might like to claim. Karen is right. You cannot help the general public's poor taste. Remember they are the ones who make Rambo and Rocky such big successes (plus a whole bunch of others I would rather not mention.) You are at home here if you are a Firthian, and you surely sound like one =) Is your Firth friend aware of this place? Tell her to stop lurking and post something.

Do most people find it enormously difficult to dislike the villain in a movie when he is played by such a cutie? It completely throws me, but yes I am a Firthian so my loyalties will always stay with him. (Potential 'bad-buy' or not)

(Marcia)I think this used his considerable talents the least. I was disappointed. Perhaps I need to see it again..... (Marcia)I am desperately trying to get him into something he apparently does not want: a good solid worthy-of-his-talents motion picture which makes money. And so do we all. Yes! Maybe I shouldn�t say anything about SIL really because you already said all that�s crucial, Marcia. I saw the movie last night and after that experience I needed a couple of drinks. Coming home after midnight I landed here but had enough sense not to write anything. Decided to sleep over it!! I�ve read all the earlier postings about SIL and it seems that most of you liked it......still I dare to tell you that I didn�t think much of it, not my taste. Sweet, light as a feather, mainstream as anything could be = definitely Oscar potential. I�m afraid I like rougher stuff, realism that is. I also didn�t think much of GP or JF, they�re very pretty people surely but as actors they�re just about adequate, GP even less. She doesn�t seem to have expressions in her face. (Sorry any GP + JF fans, this is just my personal point of view). Which gets me to Colin: Ann, I now I fully understand why you wanted Wessex as a keepsake. I think Colin�s pretty sexy as the ice cold, stupid Wessex in some perverted way! Oh, and his excellent, heavy sort of horse riding is very droolworthy. And even when he tries to look �menacing� as he says, that intelligent gaze of his steals its way out. And his singing is really too much....LOL! He should make an album...:-) Also, I felt he�s a bit nervous or self-conscious in the part, as if he was using too much energy for a minor role like that. It�s simply because he�s a gigantic actor in a far too small a role in SIL; what he needs is roles where he can really put all his skill and energy to use. But ARE THERE any movies in the making with good enough roles for him in this world? Seems to me that most films made these days are this desperate mainstream soap. These films don�t need good actors in the leading roles, just good-looking actors.

Why is it that whatever he does, the more I like him? Btw, the role as Wessex shows a new and interesting side of him as an actor.....I used to be a bit amazed about him being offered the part in The Shining, but from Wessex I see that Colin could be really good in horror movies, as a sadistic psychopath! :-) (KIDDING, I�d be shocked and sad if he accepted a role as one).

Oh Elena, Dear!!! The dark gloomies of the Scandanavian winter have beset you. Did you not enjoy the many-faceted duelling scenes? (I almost expected someone to slip on a banana peel. =P ) You are not alone. No matter what ODB does, we love him all the more just for having done it. We seemingly cannot get enough of him. ! Sigh ! How do you think he'd do in a Bergman movie? I cannot imagine him as a psychopath. He was bad enough in Playmaker. I do not think I would like him to be more Jack-Nicholson-like. I envision him as a noble sufferer triumphing in the end and more enobled as a consequence. There would not be a dry eye on the Drool Boards!

I definitely need to see it again. I had the terribly uncomfortable feeling each time Wessex showed up that he was trying too hard. Like some tyro amidst a group of theatrical giants. This was not the case, but I kept appologizing and making excuses for why his interpretation was so abrasive and brusk. I blamed the Director! =P Surely CF knows better and is secure enough in his own talent that he would not be that way if not told to do so!??

(Marcia) I definitely need to see it again. Yeah, me too, but just for the sake of Colin, I really do feel that the rest of the movie is soap. Or am I badly wrong? Btw, I saw the movie on a pretty small screen and my seat was far from it, it could look much better on a bigger screen. About Bergman.....yes, that�s about exactly what I�m thinking about! I�d like to see him do something much more serious than SIL and I know he could do it shockinly well. You see, we LIKE the gloomiest sort of realism more than anything over here, you should see some Finnish movies to really know what is gloominess :-)) So, Colin�s unsympathetic menace worked for me very well!! A TYRO?!?! Oh god, now we�re really getting somewhere. I can hardly believe you used that word about him!

(Elena)A TYRO?!?! Oh god, now we�re really getting somewhere. I can hardly believe you used that word about him! I meant that the director was trying to get him to forget every instinct on how to play this part and to do it as a...! CF a Tyro? NEVAH!!!! I think SIL was a parody of sorts. Did anyone else see the Tom Stoppard interview on CBS morning with Charles Osgood? Even had a clip of ODB Dancing with GP from the movie. Just about everything was an exaggeration in this movie, from the overly dramatic BA character to the stammering Prologue reciter. The duelling was hilarious, especially when JF poked his epee into CF's chest and it bent into a harmless parabolic curve. I think it must be viewed with this in mind. That is what I am going to remind myself next time I see it. I hope I enjoy it more for having that attitude. Great drama it is not!

The duelling was hilarious, especially when JF poked his epee into CF's chest and it bent into a harmless parabolic curve. That was the moment Wessex realized that Will was using a theatrical prop, and not a real sword... whether props were so sophisticated in those times, is another matter altogether. Another one of those multifaceted jokes, then.

(Elena) but just for the sake of Colin, I really do feel that the rest of the movie is soap. Or am I badly wrong? Elena, dear, your own opinion can never be wrong. I am so glad you liked our dear boy. I tend to think that those who start seeing this film for the first time now will feel slightly underwhelmed because the hype has been so great and they build-up by the rest of us has been so strong. You may be expecting more. It a parody, as Marcia says and must be taken as a very good joke. I saw it for the second time two weeks ago and loved it even more then.

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(Marcia) Great drama it is not! You said it my dear! however i loved it anyway [sorry Elena :) ] it was a great light-hearted comedy, definetly a paraody. I mean 'Romeo and Ethel the pirates daughter?' what a hoot! And Colin singing! Elena i love your idea for him to make an album! 'Colin sings Gilbert & Sullivan' Be still my heart! :) Or Marcia, how about Colin accompanied by the Edinburough Pipe band? :) LOL! I wonder if we'd be the only ones who would buy it.

(SBR)how about Colin accompanied by the Edinburough Pipe band? :) That *would* require Amazing Grace! LOL! I'll buy two of them. One just to keep. As I recall, you are so enamored of his singing that you requested the honor of being The Keeper of His Song!!!

How quickly they turn on you when they have gotten what they want. I was just told we did not need to see SIL again. We have already seen it. (No!) I said he could drop me off and I could watch alone. He did not like that thought. He said I did not want to see the movie, I just wanted to Drool over "That Guy again." How little they know...how much they suspect!

Poor dear! I have to admit that one of the best thing about being single is that i have complete freedom in the movie arena. (That and there's no one to bellow 'you spent how much at the mall?' at me) Good luck convincing Ray -maybe reminding him GP is in it will do the trick. :)

Indeed, or I shall find him unsuitable to be Keeper of her breast binder. Odd that no one mentioned his being on the list! I should be so lucky to get molested watching SIL. When we were there for the Seniors' matinee, Ray was one of only 2 men in there. Most of the ladies were older than I by quite a bit. He will let me see it. I do not ask for much, but with this I am determined. I shal lnot take on another man after this one. They are too hard to train. Make that difficult =P

(Marcia)I hope I enjoy it more for having that attitude. Great drama it is not! I do so agree. I was disappointed the first time I saw it but then I realised that I was expecting too much from a Stoppard play. It is really Marc Nrman's play with Stoppard dialogue so it is basically a glorious romp. The second time I saw it was in the afternoon. I went with my 16 year old son. Not only was he the youngest in the audience but so was I. The good thing was that the audience looked like P&P watchers to a man (or Woman) so there was a buzz when CF appeared as they all recognised him nd, it seemed to my biased ears, that they all liked him. He definitely got lots of laughs. shal lnot take on another man after this one. They are too hard to train. LOL, Marcia. There are times when I wish I could share some of the things I read on this board with my beloved but I fear he would not understand.

Just thought you all might like to kmnow that the Bafta film nominations have just been announced and not surprisingly SIL tops the nominations. I am surprised, however, that Tom Wilkinson has been nominated in the best supporting actor category so now Colin is even more in the minority as regards those nominated., Josepth Feinnes has been nominated best actor, GP best actress and JD, GR & now TW best supporting actor. I'm sorry and call me biased and don't get me wrong I thought TW was very good, but if he can been nominated then so should CF, personally I think he was equally as good as JD, GR & TW. Still never mind we have more interesting things to look forward to such as 3DOR.

Welcome Mannen. You are not alone! Not in your firthmania or your reaction to SiL! I was absolutely the only one laughing when he came thumping through the woods on that horse while bursting with song. Your perspective will change when you see it again, Marcia. I saw it twice without my Ray (that's my hubby's name, too), alone at a matinee (a bargain at $5). He seems to shout and stomp alot, particularly in the scenes when Viola is late (didn't you howl when she comes in the room, all smiles, still with the fake mustache and beard?). But IMO it was really just the right amout to set up the character as the pompous blow-hard. His snarling "Marlowe" line was delivered perfectly. Yes, SiL was certainly comedy, not drama. I didn't find too many terribly original gags (although the bit in the dining hall, when the waiter says "our special today is a pickled pig's foot..." was pretty funny). The stutterer, the oarsman/writer, the star-struck Fennyman, etc. all seemed vaguely familiar. But I loved this movie. As the critics say, it works on so many levels. Anyone into high art: see 'Thin Red Line' instead. Only bring a blanket, you will need to nap during the showing. Anyone into high drama: 'Saving Private Ryan' is for you. Hope you also like steaming entrails and flying extremities. An RN for 20 years, I thought I was used to blood and guts but my knees were weak by the end of the movie.

I am surprised, however, that Tom Wilkinson has been nominated in the best supporting actor category so To tell you the truth, I think that is well deserved. I thought he was much better than GR. It is a better part with which to get an award. Wessex is too one dimensional. I do wish they hadn't announced them on the day that 3DOR has its press review. It will not put our Boy in the best of spirits, I fear.

Allison, sorry to contradict but isn't press night, tomorrow night? or should we look for reviews from tomorrow onward.

I think it is previewing tonight. First night is tomorrow. I think.

Keeper of the breast binder? Sounds like a good job, but if someone else has beaten me to it, I shall have to make do with keeper of the breast. I'm glad the reaction to SiL was generally good. The only things I would criticize - (i) the Webster joke was made once too often, and (ii) but for some v. fine editing, the frequency of the mood switching would certainly have got out of hand. I am THE most intolerant movie-goer - I glare horribly at people who talk and rustle paper and I hate the smell of pop-corn. So when people laughed during the most poignant bits of Romeo and Juliet, which I thought was wonderfully acted, they were lucky to leave with their heads on. One of my favourite scenes, for some reason, was the prologue. The (ex-)stutterer speaks his lines beautifully, and it suddenly pulls you into the theatre and the play. If I'd had a little Beretta 9-mm to hand, the two people n the row behind me, who tittered just a little too long at that point, might have been in trouble.

BAFTA AWARDS....what a downer! Was GR nominated as well? It's just this constant overlooking that makes me wince for him. He may as well have had 8th billing. And the timing is VERY bad. Opening night....I hope no-one tells him! And even the Evening Standard omits his name from the billing of 3DOR. And he IShead of the billing. Sorry, it all p*sses me off! too much! I actually don't think awards matter all that much, but if he was overlooked when nominated as Mr Darcy (when everyone else connected with Jane Austen (deservedly) got an award, well, he doesn't stand a chance! Have you seen my good news about BJD and Mark Darcy on #116!!!

Would you believe GR was nominated twice, for Elizabeth and SIL.

(Allison)There are times when I wish I could share some of the things I read on this board with my beloved but I fear he would not understand. Oh Yes! I wonder if you ladies have any idea how much of my sanity I owe to your wisdom and approbation. Thank you, and thank CF for being so incredible!

(Ben) Keeper of the breast binder? Sounds like a good job, but if someone else has beaten me to it, I shall have to make do with keeper of the breast. Alas, Ben, anatomy is always with the person to whom it is attached. I cannot put you down, but I shall remember it with a smile! when people laughed during the most poignant bits of Romeo and Juliet, which I thought was wonderfully acted, they were lucky to leave with their heads on My sentiments exactly. I was very touched by the truth they were portraying and we had old-enough-to-know-better folks giggling. I was insenced, indignant and they ruined the moment for me. Boom~! The (ex-)stutterer speaks his lines beautifully, and it suddenly pulls you into the theatre and the play. did it not remind you of Olivier's Henry V ?!

(Marcia) did it not remind you of Olivier's Henry V ?! Actually it reminded me of Kenneth's Henry V. 'We few. We mighty few. We band of brothers-' gives me chills everytime. (sorry never saw Oliver's version - blasphmy, i know.) :) (Eileen)I was absolutely the only one laughing when he came thumping through the woods on that horse while bursting with song. You and me both Eileen! :) I've seen SiL 3x's and broke into giggles everytime when he started singing!

Marcia: {i} Alas, Ben, anatomy is always with the person to whom it is attached. I cannot put you down, but I shall remember it with a smile! {\i} I would have to follow her around, then. What chances have I of tending Miss Eliza Bennet's breast binder (now THERE's an enjoyable tongue twister)? Of course, it would be a travesty ever to let her wear it. The chorus opening Henry V is wonderful too.."Oh, for a muse of fire, that would ascend the brightest heaven of invention!" Or something. It sets the scene perfectly. SB - I urge you to take a peek at the Olivier Henry V. I like the Branagh version too, but it suddenly seems a bit melodramatic when compared to LO's. And it's hard to fail with the St Crispin's day speech. Cry God for Harry, England and St George!

Bloody hell. WHY am I so hopeless with this effing HTML? What was wrong, pray, with the last post? Why didn't Marcia's remark get italicized??????

Because you didn't use the pointy brackets (greater than and less than signs for mathematicians and economists) above the comma and period. If my prior post confused you, sorry. I was just trying to be funny. Guess you didn't get it! American vs. British humor problems.

Karen - to corrupt Miss Austen, I can't bear to think that you are in this world thinking that I am thinking ill of you. Which prior post???

The brackets above the comma and the period are the ones to use, Ben, and thank you for defending a most wondrous Henry V. Even the breezes wafting the notices around, and the panning shots of the model of London and the general theater scenes as they were preparing for the performance. All splendid. And all very familiar to SIL viewers.

Ben, I am granting you the Keepership of Lizzie's undergarments which we saw in the movie. And, you may follow her as closely as she will allow. Surely, you do not need my approval for that!!! Check 113. Lizzie is getting her own Keepsake list.

Ben & Marcia- i shall take your advice and indulge in a wee bit of OL's Harry in the night. :)

SBR, if you do not have it, I can get it to you easily! Just let me know.

I did it!!! THIS IS IT : http://members.aol.com/mouseuk/stage/index.htm

Ooops, that was supposed to be on 116 for a 3DoR review. Cannot wait for those London-bound ladies who have until now been SiL deprived. Then we shall see some new Drool here. oh Joy!!!

Can anyone tell me how many minutes into the movie Wessex does his Gene Autry imitation?

Some of You Who Were In London MUST have seen SiL. A few thoughts before you forget them? Please?

(Ann)Tom Wilkinson has been nominated in the best supporting actor category Disgusting. I can't help but feel that this is the final blow. Now, I'm really glad 3 DOR received such superb reviews.....makes up for the stupid BAFTAs.

One thing that I'm really going to miss about this year's Oscar ceremony is Billy Crystal's sendup of the Best Picture nominees at the beginning. Wonder which scene and person he would choose from SiL? I kind think he might be Gwyneth as she spins out of her binding!!

Oh yes, Karen, you are right. It is Ray's favorite scene and the reason for the keepsake he claimed. Actually, I think he was not cherishing the binding so much as what was bound! =P And she does it with such grace. Lovely! Fraught with possibilities for satire.

Another thought, whoever said Earls do not wear codpieces (Arami?!) was right and CF (gasp!) was wrong. This afternoon I went to my second viewing of SIL and taped the sounds of Wessex and others with my pocket-sized portable tape recorder. I stared and stared and could not see even a hint of a codpiece. I will put up a little essay on 113 in a short while, but I must claim something else.

Ditto to your latest post, Karen. Yes, I could also see Billy in long blonde wig, twirling around. He would have had some improbable person responsible for the unwinding, too. Remember what he did for TEP? David Letterman replacing Colin in the yellow plane? I was ROTFLMAO. I hope Whoopi can equal his emcee performance. All I can remember from the last time she hosted was alot of personal political commentary and inciting remarks. Boo, hiss. No codpiece, Marcia? My condolences ;-P

then he would have to add the little interchange with the nurse, whilst clutching the sheets: "It is a new day." "No, it is a a new world!" Those scenes are in all the trailers and we've seen them over and over and over again. ;-)

Marcia, you were the first to claim His gold and saphire ring, and since I have not seen SiL yrt - plan to do so with Antonio (who "is curious to see him on film")this week end - I think I should relinquish that ring to you and maybe later claim something else.

No Codpiece visible, alas. That is the reason for all the volume around his hips. A mere slot could be hidden very successfully thereby rendering the codpiece needless. I was severely disappionted! Gi, I gave up the ring. Hold it until you see the picture. If you find something other than Wessex himself which you like equally as much, I will be happy to guard it. However, his pinkie ring is lovely, too. And, considering what I was after in the first place, not altogether disassociated! =P

Murph has new pics of Lord Wessex Http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4144/wessex.html

this is from a newbie who needs help posting I have seen SIL five times now. The first time I was disapponted . It took a while to become accustomed to the whiskers, earrings and slight jowliness. However, with each viewing he seems to get cuter and sexier. He still has those wonderful eyes, that fabulous voice and his graceful way of carrying himself. he must bow at least six times and he does it so impressively. I also loved the sword fight. He must be a trained fencer as he uses a sword in Valmont, P&P and now SIL. I will probably see it at least one more time in the theatre before it goes to video. Susan A. YIB4E@aol.com

Susan, welcome! I always thought the jowliness was due to that infernally scratchy ruff he was wearing up under his chin. Looked terribly hot and uncomfortable! But....CUTE!!!!

I just saw SiL - miracle!- and loved it. Antonio says it is wonderful. And CF reminded me so much of Darcy... I'll say more about it all tomorrow.

Re codpieces: Henry VIII wore enormous ones: they became unfashionable after 1590. The only reason why an earl woudn't wear one around 1593(?) would be the demands of fashion. They might possibly still be worn by poorer men who couldn't afford new styles on demand.

Perhaps worn by the poorer classes, but I did not espy even one codpiece, and that was my main object in going to SiL the second time (uh...huh!) I did a bit of research on the item in question in preparation for my essay. They had all sorts of embellishments including fur, spikes, jewels, pearls and gold cording. Gussets and pleats increased the roominess to the point of curiosity as to what Else they were keeping in there! I am much safer with the Sapphire ring on his index finger. Henry VIII had en ugh wrong with him, I would not like to venture into his codpiece - not for all the jewels in the crown!

(Arami) Re codpieces: Henry VIII wore enormous ones: Heavens, I don't even want to ask the reason for this ;-). Gi, glad you finally got to see it and that Antonio liked it also. Thanks goodness, a CF film that is also a hit with the significant others. I can still hear the complaints after dragging the DH to TEP. But he loved SIL!

(JanaJH) But he loved SIL My DH liked it as well, to my surprise. He called TEP and ATA "chick flicks." I didn't think he'd go for all the poetry in SiL ("talk prose!") but he recognized it better than I did! Glad you and Antonio liked it, Gi! It was worth the wait, wasn't it?

Yes, indeed. And in a way I'm glad I only saw it after 3DoR, because that meant having something else to look forwards to after seeing Colin in the flesh.While most Droolers have already had to go back to the wait and worry for what he'll do next, I can begin the wait and worry a few days later...:-)

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Just to point out, I have changed my email address. If anybody sent me messages starting from 14th of March to my former address here, I�ve lost them.

(Gi) And in a way I'm glad I only saw it after 3DoR, because that meant having something else to look forwards to after seeing Colin in the flesh. Now there's a girl who really knows how to mega-manage her fantasy-life.. even got the Lisbon distributor of SIL to release it aft 3 DOR :-))))

LOL! Evelyn, you give me more credit than I deserve! :-)))

Welcome Susan! may your posting problems soon be resolved! :) I saw our DB in SiL for the 4th time this last weekend, and am happy to report that he definately is wearing a codpiece. You have to watch VERY Closely - they're made out of the same material that his bloomers (or whatever the heck you call them) are. You can see the first one briefly when he's at Grenage (Marica, I know you told me how to spell that, but i've forgotten already) he's wearing green. The second time is when he's wearing a purplish color (i think it's sunday when he thinks he sees a ghost) and the final time is when he's standing at the top of the stairs on his wedding day. This one is the largest and most obvious- but like i said, be prepared to look FAST or you'll miss it. :)

It's spelt Greenwich, S B:-)

Ohh, something to do when SiL comes out on video! Sharp eyes, SBR!

SBR, they cannot bring that video out soon enough. May have to delay my limerick of three + stanzas now till I can wzx eloquent on this most esoteric of apparel. I NEED to see it!!!

Hey, ODB's picture is in next week's TV Guide (it's the one we've seen a million times before, bowing to Queen Judi as he's told Viola has been 'plucked') with his name in the caption. Story was about their pics for Oscar. Let's hear your limerick, Marcia!

Thanks Gi! I'm dyslexic and I know half the time my posts are riddled with spelling errors and difficult to read. Marcia dear, if you do not stop torrmenting us with your non-posted Limerick, we shall be forced to conspire to get back at you in someway. :)

S B, you're too hard on yourself! But some of our drooling friends do deserve some punishment for keeping us waiting for their posts...Marcia and her limerick can perhaps be forgiven, but what about Arami, Renate and Kirsten?

Gi, I sent SB my drafted and reworked ad nauseum limerick for her input but have received nothing. This leads me to think it is as poor as I thought it was. I just may post it to show the others that anything posted is better than an empty space!

see 113 for my input :-) Marcia, Elena, since we 3 were the last to see SiL, how about re-launching its discussion?

Sounds wonderful. I still cannot find my ancestors in the movie. According to the "cast in order of appearance" they are right after the first boatman (which WS chases "the boy" to find out who he is)...I think...! SBR also just saw it for the 4th time, and she posts from work from time to time. She can drool so eloquently as to puddle my machine miles and miles away!

I definitely would like to hear comments from everyone who has recently seen SIL.Gi, Kirsten, Elena, Renate, Carola....Sabine...a whole bunch. Did our previous discussions ( which started on Christmas Day...except for Winter and Nan who saw previews...) spoil the plot for you? I hope not. **** BTW when I was in LA end of Feb. SIL was playing in 94 theatres!! That's more than Italy...where it's #2!!Perhaps they know that one of its stars is a resident!

(Marcia) sent SB my drafted and reworked ad nauseum limerick for her input but have received nothing ACK! Marica I havent check my email in days! I'm SO sorry! Just read your final product over at 113, and thought it was marvelous! I've been working 12 hour days (and with and hour commute each way) I pretty much just colapse in bed by the time I get home. I promise I'll catch up on my email this weekend! Meanwhile, I shall sneek in these lovely excursions to Drool -while nobody at work is looking. :)

what about Arami, Renate and Kirsten? Dear ladies, it's either limericks or trying to develop www.firth.com - I'm afraid there's also real life intruding...

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(Arami)Dear ladies, it's either limericks or trying to develop www.firth.com - I'm afraid there's also real life intruding.. Is that what prevents us from having the priviledge of reading a full report of your experience at the Donmar?

(Evelyn)spoil the plot for you? I hope not. Evelyn, I practically did not read this topic before I saw SiL, simply because I felt so jealous about other people having the chance to see him as an Elisabethan creep while I hadn�t! Anyway, I have seen the movie once and have not planned to see it again before I can buy the video, and I�ll do that only because of Colin. Like I said before, I really didn�t think much about the movie but I loved Colin in it...maybe that�s it, I only had eyes for Colin and everything else seemed unimportant !!! I really felt IMPATIENT during all those soapy GP/JF episodes, they did not interest me at all especially because I don�t think they are very good actors, in my opinion they�re just pretty people and real actorship is out of their reach. I know many of you like the two, but to me their performance gave nothing. All in all, I hate it that all you need is exceptionally good looks to become a megastar while high quality actors with real substance get the smallest roles. Substance really isn�t what counts in this world, Colin would be a megastar by now if it did. Btw, I�m going to see Aki Kaurismaki�s Juha in an hour, he was promoting this film in Berlinale at the same time when Colin was there. It�s a black and white silent film, basing on the most famous Finnish triangle drama in literature. With passion, adultery and suicide of course! 100% uncommercial.

Gi is demanding the priviledge of reading a full report of [my] experience at the Donmar... It wasn't outstanding in terms of content; I was happy just to be there and watch... Colin came downstairs soon after the end of the show. He stood patiently as people approached him with requests for autographs and photos. I pushed forward clutching my silly little pocket camera and asked him if he didn't mind if I snapped a few pics... (Why did I bother? No one else did...) He assured me he didn't (I wonder if he thought I was being facetious!) - and the results will hopefully be seen on firth.com pages one day soon... It was fascinating to watch him making this very deliberate effort t acknowledge fans, well-wishers and curious ones milling around. He happily signed anything anyone wished, and readily posed for photographs with delighted ladies. His amiability, patience, and generosity were very special and unquestionable, even though he looked a little tired - later we discovered that he had been fighting a nasty cold. He signed my program adding a usual personal dedication and a little "x", and I asked for another one to be signed for a fan in Russia. My request caused Colin's eyes to light up appreciatively and he raised his eyebrows in surprise. I thanked him for his patience and complimented him on the performance. I said something like: "I feel lost for words, but it really goes without saying that�" This brought a broad smile of visible pleasure to his face and he thanked me. I also asked him not to leave it too l ng before returning to the live theatre and he said he'd try. Soon after that he left the theatre accompanied by a small group of personal friends. On foot.

Thanks for telling us about your encounter, Arami Each story I read just adds another assurance that I'm not backing the wrong guy for favorite actor. He's real class. On foot But of course.

Does "Best Picture" spoil anything??? How about GP and DJD?? Costumes? Perhaps Screenplay...Gee, hate to spoil anybody's suspense!! YIPPEE!!!!(frankly, I coulda had a cow!!!)

KJ I know what you mean. I came out of my seat when they announced Judi Dench and again when Harrison Ford said, "Shakespeare In Love" I let out a whoop. It's a good thing I was watching by myself, anyone would have though I was ready for the loony tune mobile, jumping around and yelling. Thank heaven my husband slept through it.

Arami, thank you for a very interesting tale of 3Dor. If I remember correctly, you had about the most meaningful and substantive conversation with him that I have heard of as yet. Congratulations for the level head and cool nerves, and intelligence to ask the things which would make him beam! Congratulations!

Arami, thank you very much for your report, how can you say it was not outstanding? You were the only one, I believe, who had the presence of mind to ask him to come back to stage soon. I'm so glad you did! I saw SiL again yesterday (Antonio wanted to confirm how good it all was - said it was) and feel ready to start discussing it. I'll begin with a few minor points. The actor who played Kit Marlowe, and whom I remember from My Best Friend's Wedding, was not credited? I bought the book (screenplay) and unless my eyes fail me, he is not credited there either. I am not sure what a codpiece is, but in the duel scene and in the wedding scene through Wessex's plaits protrude either the handle of his sword or a very erect phallus... You tell me. I think Gweenie is a very good Viola, but a lousy Thomas Kent. Anyone agrees? As for CF, his villain lacks evil. I think he tries to empathize with his characters (remember, for Darcy's first proposal he says he tried to understand his POV and could not understand for a while afterwards what was so wrong with the things he had said), thus Wessex comes out as a bloke for whom "the only matter under discussion" is a trade of a name for money. He has been bought for her, he says. Still, he is attracted to her... to her eyes, no, to her lips... He fights Shakespeare not only for his honour ("you covet my property") but also, I think, from jealousy. And see how sad he looks at the theatre, after the show! So, he is not a strong character, like the Queen, nor a caricatural one, like Henslowe. Hence no nomination. I think.

Arami, thanks for your 3DOR tale. How did you feel after finally meeting with him, and what do you feel now? I know how much you admire and ... him.;-) Gi, I hope you got my e-mail.

If I remember correctly, you had about the most meaningful and substantive conversation with him that I have heard of as yet. I think Karen had the most substantive conversation. We were privileged to see him on two nights. On Friday night just K&I alone in the lobby. Karen told him about having seen the play in Chicago the weekend before and he was most interested. On Saturday night when we went to group for the picture he remembered us and he asked Karen how his performance compared to Chicago.He was most interested. ***** the presence of mind to ask him to come back to stage soon. I overheard several Spring people ask him to pl. appear in a play soon. And in my thank you note I requested that he not let 5 years go by without appearing in a play...after all "we want to get together (Spring)before then!!)

(Arami) It wasn't outstanding in terms of content Thanks for your 3DOR report, Arami. As one who did not go, I can't read enough about these close encounters of the Firth kind. IMO anyone who has seen or talked to ODB has plenty to share. (Heide) Each story I read just adds another assurance that I'm not backing the wrong guy for favorite actor. Ditto! (Gi) through Wessex's plaits protrude either the handle of his sword or a very erect phallus... You tell me. LOL, Gi! 8-o ! It's the sword handle, dear. The only criticism I had about GP as Th. Kent was that her voice wasn't always low enough. I see your point about Wessex, but I think that if Colin made him more evil he would have been overacting...but I am biased. I enjoyed Colin as Wessex much more than as Jess in ATA (I thought that performance was flat and underemotional).