OK, I'll start. (I've never gotten to be post #1 before!) I saw the film today and liked many things about it. There were a few things I didn't care for, at least on the first viewing. Maybe they'll grow on me after a second time, but here are some of the things I wish had been different. I knew CF's character had some unlikeable traits, but I didn't realize he was quite such a loon. I found myself cringing at him being the butt of many people's jokes. Also, he was so cruel to poor MEM in the scene at the wake. Bottom line, Edward was a bit hard to drool over. Also, I know the disjointed nature was supposed to be because we were looking through the eyes of a child, but one of my pet peeves is movies that have story threads that don't go anywhere. What the heck was the hairy man all about? And what was the purpose of the Flyer who had about two minutes of screen time? I would have liked to have these sub-stories either more developed or deleted. Edward's infatuation with Heloise seemed to happen so quickly, and I really didn't feel the character foundation was there yet when Edward performed his act of physical aggressiveness towards her. I guess it was supposed to be love at almost first sight, but somehow I couldn't believe it. And I could kill the reviewer that said Gamma was going to die in his review. Talk about a spoiler! I would rather not have known that going in. I have only posted the things that irritated me and there were many more things I loved which will have to wait for another post. I'll shut up and let someone else talk now :-).

Jana, I swear I didn't even read your post though I've read so many spoilers from other sources already there may not be a single suprise left for me anyway. But I wanted to thank you for being #1! Hope others will join you here soon.

What the heck was the hairy man all about? And what was the purpose of the Flyer who had about two minutes of screen time? I would have liked to have these sub-stories either more developed or deleted. I totally agree with you here, Jana. The hairy man had me completely bewildered; I assumed there was some kind of symbolism I was missing (maybe he represets wildness, like jazz, as opposed to order, like Edward's beloved Beethoven?). Edward's infatuation with Heloise seemed to happen so quickly, and I really didn't feel the character foundation was there yet when Edward performed his act of physical aggressiveness towards her. Re: the infatuation, it seemed to me like it was a case of being attracted to what's different from you... I'm not explaining that very clearly, but sort of the idea of being attracted to your opposite. The fact that she "belonged" to Morris probably made her immediately attractive as well... wanting what you can't have. One of the reviews mentioned Edward "raping" Irene. Did I miss something? I can't seem to recall anything like that. It's true that my mind was rather distracted during the screening, however. Was the reviewer all wet, or did this really happen?

One of the reviews mentioned Edward "raping" Irene. I'm really not reading this *until* I see the movie, but not just one reviewer has mentioned this. Am going to pay very close attention to that hayloft scene and afterward.

I'll be interested in what everyone's opinion is of the hayloft scene. All I seem to recall is an attempted kiss, but no actual "carnal knowledge." It seemed to me that Edward just implied to Morris that things had gone further than that, in order to make him doubt his wife-to-be. If there really was a rape scene, I must have been taking a trip to the loo when it happened;-) I knew CF's character had some unlikeable traits, but I didn't realize he was quite such a loon. I found myself cringing at him being the butt of many people's jokes. Also, he was so cruel to poor MEM in the scene at the wake. Bottom line, Edward was a bit hard to drool over. I must admit that I did find Edward droolable, in a boyish sort of way. I didn't see him as an out-and-out loon but as a charming eccentric. In the Newsday article Colin talks about "charming boyishness," and this seems to be to sum up Edward. IMO it didn't seem the other characters were laughing at him so much as affectionately shaking their heads and saying, "That Edward!" However, as CF points out in the same article, charming boyishness is also dangerous and can hurt people, and this is shown in Edwar 's cruelties toward Moira. Until the end, Edward never seems to me to be more than 12 or 14 years old emotionally. IMO he isn't in love with Heloise so much as having a wild crush on her -- which kind of sets up the rather comedic situation of him and Fraser "competing" for her attention. It wouldn't be comedic if it were a suave, mature grownup man competing with a little boy. Rather than being a cad (that word again!), he just seems to me like a rather nerdy boy with a crush on the most popular girl -- i.e., he gives her a box of moss products as a gift and thinks this will impress her. In early comments about the part Colin said Edward was given to "wild enthusiasms." I saw Heloise as one of these. I certainly never had the feeling that he would really give up his wife and family for her. I think if she had actually returned his affections, he would have eventually lost interest in favor of another "wild enthusiasm." Anyway, this is all just my opinion and I look forward to the more cogent views of the rest of you;-)

Very interesting discussion thus far! Saw the film yesterday with four FoFers. There was an unanticipated break in the screening when the film itself became dislodged from the projector (during the Halloween party scene, about an hour in). Horror upon horrors, it actually began to melt before our eyes (a la WoF)! Watching the back of CF's head melt on screen was a trauma from which I may never recover :-P The break provided us with a real-time opportunity to discuss what happened in that hay (moss) loft. Murph and I also discussed this on the way home (have you seen her review? It's posted at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4144/mlsfmary.html Well done, Murph! But first, a few other details of interest: The theater was packed. So what if the Blair Witch Project was sold out until the 12:15 a.m. show and moviegoers would do anything to beat the 90+ degree heat? I won't overanalyze. The age of the audience ranged from 20-somethings to senior citizens (including a spry group of senior ladies who stood behind us on line in the heat and were thoroughly surprised to encounter "young people" waiting for the same movie). The audience appeared to love it. Numerous groans were heard during the film-melting break. People who left at this point (at least those in the few rows in front of us) all returned to their seats. There was light applause at the end (but in our row, we were heartily clapping away). Chatter overheard during the inevitable wait for the ladies room was very positive. Will continue...

*Warning* Thus-far unmentioned spoilers ahead! I didn't find the film slow at all. As for fragmentation, you have to keep telling yourself it's seen through the eyes of a 10-year old. Thus the hairy man wasn't too much of a distraction for me. BTW, what about when Edward dredged the lake for his Beethoven busts and came up with that dead body? Didn't the man look familiar? I will agree, Susan and Jana, that the 'Emporer of the Air' seemed to be pushing it. He's there, he's gone; he's there, he's gone. While he's there, he and big sis exchange h ngry looks and an embrace or two. Again, you have to remind yourself that this is all Fraser sees. There was likely more but he wasn't party to it. I agree with Murph in that this is Colin's most varied role. You loved him and hated him a minute later. There were a few expressions and lines reminiscent of other CF roles and there was the freshness of new material. I can't wait to see it again. From what I remember (it usually takes me two viewings to get the details), here's a synopsis of my favorite looks and scenes: Edward's best moments: - grabbing Fraser from the roof while barking (a LOL moment) - helping Gemma from the table after she ate too much sherry-laden trifle - assisting Moira from Gemma's deathbed ("it's time to go, Angel") - sitting in bed with Fraser, watching the movie on that silly screen - apologizing to Moira and meaning it - waltzing with Moira in the rain (*sigh*) Edward's worst moments: - going after Heloise against her will - shaking loose from Moira's hand at dinner - openly competing with Fraser for Heloise's attention during the tour of Kilgoren - telling Morris he "won the bet months ago" in front of all those people at the (?)wake - boasting that it's "his house now" during the same scene Scenes/looks reminiscent of past roles: Susan's already mentioned these--the Darcyesque leaning back in the chair, larynx protruding; a less-heart stopping version of *the look* while Heloise plays her cello and Birkin's sermon (although all similarity begins and ends in that it's a sermon). I also enjoyed the goggled Edward in the plane with Moira (Geoffrey, of course). Weren't those goggles a hoot? Made him look fish-eyed! Funniest moments: - teaching the boys to fish to the strains of Beethoven. "Go extricate your brother." - the look on his face after Fraser's orgy inquiry There's so much here to really savor. CF makes the film--a lesser talented actor could never have pulled it off. MEM and CF make a great team. The scenery was breathtaking. The reviewer who said (a while ago) that it was dull and gray must have cataracts. Lastly, regarding the "rape": it's never really made clear if he did or didn't have sex with her. At the very least, he forced himself on her. Fraser heard her scream. They were covered with moss (yes, they had been throwing it at eachother but it was also on the back of their clothes). Fraser found her choker necklace. Heloise's letter alludes to "what did and didn't happen. Moira smells Fraser's letter from Heloise and appears to recognize the scent--from Edward's skin or clothes? Then Edward goes on to act *very* guilty--would he do this if they just "messed around?" Perhaps. Even that would have been behavior unfitting a married man. Yet the climactic post wake (or funeral) scene leads one to believe that something more significant happened in that loft. It makes for great discussion!

Thankyou very much Eileen and Murph, I can't wait to see it but will have to. However, I intend to telephone Miramax tomorrow to see if they have any idea when we may get it, if I only had a date to look forward to it wouldn't be so bad. Still we are very luck here in the UK we have two TV dramas, the play and possibly Londinium and RV to look forward to before everyone else. Incidentally if anyone wants me to do any recording when the time comes I shall be more than pleased to oblige.

I enjoyed your reviews, Eileen and Murph. I must be very naive or clueless (probably both!), but it just never seemed to me that anything had actually occurred between Edward and Heloise other than the clumsy attempt at a kiss, and maybe he pushed her back into the hay; I just didn't see it going further than that. I took as confirmation of this Heloise's comment about "what did and didn't happen." It seemed to me that just the memory of what he had *tried* to do was enough to account for Edward's guilt, nd I thought his implications that things had gone further were just to get Morris to have doubts about Heloise. Obviously I gotta get out of the house more:-)

Thank you...Eileen , Susan and Murph for the reviews and your comments.... (Eileen)...I agree with Murph in that this is Colin's most varied role. I look forward to this. So many of his recent ones have been one-dimensional. He's capable of more than that.But, of course that's the best part of having a starring role.

(Susan) it just never seemed to me that anything had actually occurred between Edward and Heloise other than the clumsy attempt at a kiss, and maybe he pushed her back into the hay; I just didn't see it going further than that. I took as confirmation of this Heloise's comment about "what did and didn't happen." I've been thinking about this and I now agree with you, Susan. Considering the social mores of the time and Edward's religious devotion, a rough, clumsy pass would be enough to stoke his guilt. As you point out, it's confirmed by Heloise's letter. During the confrontation Moira says "I know you've had your hands on that woman!" BTW, in the opening sequence it says the film is set in 1920. One of the FoFs I was with yesterday also saw it last week at a preview; she said that one was set in 1927. It appears Miramax kept tinkering with this until the bitter end!

- helping Gemma from the table after she ate too much sherry-laden trifle Yes Eileen, I too loved this. I believe he said, "Let's have a little (or Lovely) lie down, Gamma." And what about Moira in the climactic scene. Finger pointing at Edward on the floor..."You....you..! I know all about you and that..woman." I wanted to cheer that she finally told him off. And his face as he watches Fraser with the cigar, the snifter and Louie on the gramaphone. Another wonderful moment. And wasn't his voice with that Scottish accent even more spine tingling? Murph

And wasn't his voice with that Scottish accent even more spine tingling? I don't think I am going to be able to stand much more of this:-) If you don't have any luck with Miramax tomorrow, Ann, I shall ring them. I be they show it in the UK in October when I am on holiday!!

I did read that we'll have an "autumn release" in the UK. When is autumn? Late September? October? November (E-e-ch!)If someone had told me that we would have to wait two and a half years to see another lead role after FP, I wouldn't have believed it!

Bethan, you should be packing!

(Eileen) BTW, in the opening sequence it says the film is set in 1920. One of the FoFs I was with yesterday also saw it last week at a preview; she said that one was set in 1927. It appears Miramax kept tinkering with this until the bitter end! Eileen, I have been wondering about this as well. I was sure the print of MLSF that I saw said "1920," but then several reviewers mentioned that the film was set "in the 30s" or "just before the onset of WWII." If the film was indeed set in 1920, was the use of Louis Armstrong music an anachronism? For some reason I thought Louie first became popular in the later 20s-early 30s. Anyone know?

All your comments are making me want to go see this movie again, pronto. I know I will enjoy it more the second time when I can focus more on Colin. (Eileen) Edward's best moments: - sitting in bed with Fraser, watching the movie on that silly screen Did he not look gorgeous in this scene? Love our boy in braces. (Eileen) I also enjoyed the goggled Edward in the plane with Moira (Geoffrey, of course). Weren't those goggles a hoot? Made him look fish-eyed! I had to laugh when I read this. I remember being physically jolted at this scene because it was the first time I'd ever seen Colin and thought him unattractive. Somehow the combo of those goggles and that wide, toothy smile are not his best look :-) (Eileen)Funniest moments: - teaching the boys to fish to the strains of Beethoven. "Go extricate your brother." - the look on his face after Fraser's orgy inquiry I totally agree, both these scenes were hilarious. I particularly loved his talk on the birds and the bees when he was trying to explain wet dreams and had to keep blowing his nose. Was that too adorable? And Fraser just wasn't getting it, go figure with that crystal clear explanation. (Ann) Incidentally if anyone wants me to do any recording when the time comes I shall be more than pleased to oblige. Oh my Ann, you are an angel from heaven. Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth when there is new Colin to be had and we cannot see it in the States? I suspect we will be taking you up on your offer and keeping the post houses here busy converting the tapes to compatible format. I hope MLSF opens soon in the U.K. so you can enjoy ODB in all his glory. (Murph) And what about Moira in the climactic scene. Finger pointing at Edward on the floor..."You....you..! I know all about you and that..woman." I wanted to cheer that she finally told him off. This was a wonderful moment, wasn't it? I really enjoyed MEM in this movie and felt she definitely held her own against the powerful acting of CF. But this climatic scene was especially well done. I also liked the poignant way she kept looking at herself in the mirror (seeing flaws, I surmised) when she first suspected Edward of being attracted to Heloise. I also didn't know MEM sang so well and thoroughly enjoyed her duet with Heloise. One more thing - Susan I wanted to respond to your post about Edward's degree of looniness, but it was too far up the board for me to copy (and I was too lazy to go back and retrieve it). I just wanted to say that on further consideration I think you're right and that loony was too strong a word. I must admit I did cringe a little bit at some of Edward's immature actions, but when I really thought about it, his eccentricities didn't really bother me until Uncle Morris was in the picture and putting him own in some rather humiliating ways. Somehow when only the immediate family was present and Edward's oddities were sweetly accepted and understood by his wife and children it was easier for me to accept and enjoy them too. But then it was as if Uncle Morris entered as some kind of interloper to Shangri-La bringing real world cynicism with him and I guess I started to see Edward as Uncle M saw him. I suppose that's one of the character of Morris' functions in the film to bring out the contrast of practi ality vs. whimsy. It was difficult though to watch Edward being humiliated by Uncle Morris. Some real cringe-inducing moments there - kind of like the feeling I get when I watch Joe Prince in the graveyard with the two goofy drug runners.

(Jana)Somehow the combo of those goggles and that wide, toothy smile are not his best look :-) He looked endearingly goofy, didn't he? I also laughed when he emerged from the loch in that (how best to describe it?) floatation device with those rubberized trousers. I loved that little truck with the moss soap advertisements on the sides--did you notice the large cigar on the roof with smoke coming out of it? LOL! Another funny scene: when Fraser sees Gamma napping and thinks she's dead. But nothing beats that prostitution comment, though. The audience was practically rolling in the aisles! (Jana)What the heck was the hairy man all about? At first I thought it was a figment of his imagination. It kind of reminded me of Maurice Sendak's 'Where the Wild Things Are' children's books. But after they dredged up that man from the loch, it's quite possible Fraser really did see him running around on the roof and in the woods. (Jana) Edward's infatuation with Heloise seemed to happen so quickly I had the same complaint about Paul in FP. In this movie it seemed consistent with Edward's immature, impulsive nature to immediatly vie for her favor. (Susan) which kind of sets up the rather comedic situation of him and Fraser "competing" for her attention. It wouldn't be comedic if it were a suave, mature grownup man competing with a little boy Agreed. Before Heloise came along, I thought of Edward as merely silly or eccentric. During the estate tour it becomes clear how very immature he is. (Susan) The fact that she "belonged" to Morris probably made her immediately attractive as well... wanting what you can't have. And wanting to hurt the man you hate, the man who taunts you, who has the power to take your home away. IMO Edward was thinking only with his "little head" when he went after Heloise. Afterward, now thinking with his "big head," he used the situation ("I won the bet months ago") as a means to push Morris' buttons. In both instances he completely disregarded how his actions would hurt his wife and family. Was anyone else bothered by Heloise's behavior with Fraser? It struck me as borderline inappropriate at times (e.g., rolling around in the moss shortly after they met). Could it have been merely Fraser's perception of how she acted? Or am I taking that '10-year old storyteller' excuse a bit too far? (Jana) I also didn't know MEM sang so well and thoroughly enjoyed her duet with Heloise. Wasn't she great? This was the only thing Kathie Lee got right when MEM was on 'Live' a couple of weeks ago.

(Eileen) Was anyone else bothered by Heloise's behavior with Fraser? It struck me as borderline inappropriate at times (e.g., rolling around in the moss shortly after they met). Could it have been merely Fraser's perception of how she acted? Or am I taking that '10-year old storyteller' excuse a bit too far? This made me feel creepy too. Whenever she saw him, she was all over him and the physical contact made me a little squeamish. Are we supposed to make allowances for Heloise because she is French and possibly a little more demonstrative :-)? I'm wondering if what bothered me about this physical closeness was Fraser's preoccupation with sexual thoughts about Heloise. I suppose she believed all the hugging was perfectly innocent but we have access to Fraser's thoughts about the matter.

Love the discussion, ladies. I subscribe to the school that the more I know about a film, the more I enjoy it. Keep goin' :-)

I was wondering... what is everyone's opinion of Edward and Moira's marriage? Pre-Heloise, they openly adore each other and are still sneaking off for "slanks" despite being married for, what, at least 17 years. Then Heloise enters the picture, and all of a sudden Edward is making cruel gestures to Moira and making an ass of himself. I was a bit unclear on what drew him to Heloise so strongly. The main attraction seemed to be that she was betrothed to the man he hated -- and yet he seemed so tormented by er rejection of him, even after her marriage (when he destroys the letter, etc.).

and yet he seemed so tormented by her rejection of him, even after her marriage (when he destroys the letter, etc.). I interpreted his torment as guilt, but it certainly could have been rejection. He had not yet had his "epiphany" about being so immature. Regarding their marriage: I thought the scene of Moira examining herself in the mirror was poignant. She immediatley senses Edward's attraction to Heloise and her reaction is one of insecurity vs. anger, petulance, etc. (but those would be out of character). So...their marriage must have been wonderful on the surface, but had unresolved issues lurking underneath. Good question, Susan!

I just got home back from three days in NYC. My DH knew how much I wanted to see MLSF and made the arrangements for my son and me to go. NYC is much improved since my last visit 16 years ago and we had a great time, not the least of which was seeing MLSF. This film is completely enchanting, from the beautiful music which begins it to the final glimpse of CF's lovely face. Very funny, poignant and uplifting. Wonderful acting, cinematography and screenplay. After reading your posts, just a few remarks. Feel free to disagree, though. The film begins in 1920, when three-year old Fraser does his famous bad thing, then goes forward seven years (according to Fraser) where the bulk of the action takes place. Re: the fragmentation. IMO, every scene belonged; MLSF is a memoir, not a mystery novel, and life remembered is bound to be meandering and made up of both important and insignificant threads.. Since the story Fraser tells is about a pivotal year in his life, during which he leaves his innocence behind, its events, big and small, are etched in his memory. His father loses his god-like status and becomes merely a man, the crisis in his parents' marriage destroys the absoluteness of his security forever, Ga ma dies and Fraser discovers sex. It is the year when the world forcefully intrudes upon the paradise (described as a shangrila by the emperor) in which Fraser and his family live. IMO, the emperor soaring in his plane represents that which is wondrous in the outside world and the hairy man symbolizes that which is frightening and ugly and uncontrollable in it. Heloise is wordly temptation. Edward, as much as Fraser, is an innocent, probably has never been beyond the Kiloran neighbourhood, never has had a other woman besides Moira, is intelligent but not well-educated and relies on biblical dogma to guide him. Heloise is an unexpectedly exotic intrusion into his placid life. As in Fraser, she awakens feelings in Edward he finds hard to fight off, never having been tested before. One of the critics described CF as having sensual features; he must have been thinking of the loft scene. The look Edward gives Heloise after she kisses him is one of pure lust (unlike The Look in P & P, which was one of love). I don't see Edward as a loon at all, but a man full of joy, creativity and love of life which overshadowed his practical side. I loved that bug-eyed goofy grin he gave in the plane. At that moment, Edward was showing his exhiliration and utter happiness in a way that usually only children do. So he isn't a reliable bread-winner like Morris, but he does bring a sense of adventure, wonder, fun and deep love to his family. For beauty, my favourite look is when Edward enters Moira's darkened room at the end. CF's comic talent is proved in the birds and bees scene; he is marvellous there; in fact, he is very funny in many scenes. (Eileen) Edward's worst moments: Boasting that it's "his house now" during the same (the wake) scene I think it one of Edward's best moments. He has wordlessly endured Morris' stream of cruel taunts and overt disrespect (and the humiliating dressing down Gamma gives him, at Morris' instigation, in front of the help). Heloise's out-of-line behaviour in this scene (in telling Fraser to disrespect his father) pushes him over the edge and he is finally in a position to stand up for himself. Unfortunately, Edward snaps in an embarrassingly public place. BTW, how does Moira know that the bet concerns Heloise?

That's it!! If Lynda can go to NY...I can fly to Dallas to see this film.... I'm outta'here!!

Re: Moira knowing the bet concerns Heloise She must have had some inkling of Edward's infatuation ... remember when she looks at herself assessingly in the mirror when she went looking for Fraser in the attic, and when discovers Heloise's choker hidden in Fraser's bed ... that shocked, horrified look on her face.

Loved your report, Lynda. The look Edward gives Heloise after she kisses him is one of pure lust Ooh, maybe I should fly to NYC too?!?!?!

There is a review at Mr. Showbiz but it is not very good so I hesitated to mention it but it was qite kind to the acting.

Gee, do you think that that Michael Atkinson didn't like MLSF? Sounded like he didn't like Chariots of Fire, either. Hated Robert Norman, too. Re the dough-faced comment, I must admit to wondering how two people who looked like Moira and Edward could produce Fraser, but the boy grew on me. As for why we were watching MLSF, for my part, MLSF made a very pleasant diversion from the depraved sexuality, mind-numbing violence, the loutish people and crude diologue which fills TV and film screens today. Althoug , admittedly nothing to compare with Austin Powers and Big Daddy, MLSF has its merits, not the least of which, is that I (and the other people I observed leaving the theater) left with smiles on our faces.

Lynda, when you say "nothing to compare with AP and BD" do you mean it wasn't as good as either of these?

My last post for a week, as I am off to Philadelphia to see my sister. Ann, I was being very sarcastic. I loved every minute of MLSF. I am totally ticked off that stuff like AP and BD get a zillion screens and all kinds of promotion, yet I have to go hundreds of miles to see the lovely and most entertaining MLSF and that my many friends and family who would enjoy this film will likely never see it except on video. Most unfair, but that's business, I guess.

I enjoyed your review, Lynda. It's been two months since I saw the film and I'd forgotten so many of the details you mentioned. Also, thanks for setting me right re: the time settings -- as you pointed out, if Fraser's a toddler in 1920 when the film opens, it's 1927 or so when the main action takes place.

We won't be getting MLSF for ages in the UK (sniff!)but it's fascinating to read all your comments. Has anyone read "The Son of Adam" (I think I'm the only one who actually enjoyed it!). The reason I ask is that in many ways I feel that the portrayal of Adam/Edward in the movie seems very true to the account in the memoir. Lynda is spot on when she describes Adam/Edward as an innocent, a child-man. He grows up in a privileged and isolated environment, and falls in love with "Moira" when he is 18 and she is 14. They pledge undying love sitting in a tree and carve the names of the six children they plan to have together. Adam/Edward seems to have been very unwordly and not interested in business (and therefore maybe not considered a reliable marriage prospect) He's sent to the US to work for the family business, returns after six years and goes to Cambridge to study and is ordained as a minister of th Church, He eventually marries "Moira" when he is 32, and she is 28. The marriage is a happy and successful oneone, sustained by an unclouded sexual relationship. But Denis Forman writes that sometimes his father resented him because he saw him as a rival for the attentions of visiting females, and Forman also comments that sometimes his father used to embarass him, and his mother, by becoming very friendly with waitresses and usherettes and giving them hugs...embarrasing because they recognised these as sexual urges, which Edward/Adam doesn't understand. It's clear that t e only sexual relationship he ever has is with his wife For the record, Edward/Adam seems to have outlived his wife by many, many years. It's not clear when Moira dies, but Edward never re-marries and lives on until his one hundredth year (he dies aged 101) and remains eccentic to the end. He also gets honored for his contribution to the war effort...his one major success (Spagnum moss has healing powers). Don't know how much of this is conveyed in the movie. I don't suppose it really matters!

Thanks for the interesting back story, Bethan. I particularly thought it enlightening that the real Edward/Adam was an ordained minister. It explains why he was so strict and biblical in the film. I also thought it interesting that they didn't marry until 28 and 32 after having been in love for 14 years! In the film I got the impression they had been married rather young as CF and MEM looked to be no more than 40 and had a daughter practically grown. Maybe they took some poetic license in the film. I really enjoyed your review, Lynda. I guess my first reaction to Edward was that he was goofier than the rest of you saw him. I'm hoping the film will open up more widely this weekend so I can see it again and improve my opinion! Otherwise I will have to trek back down to the art house and see it again.

Lynda, did you see MLSF at the Angelika or uptown? If you saw it at the Angelika, how'd you like the subway trains rumbling under your feet? :-) I am totally ticked off that stuff like AP and BD get a zillion screens and all kinds of promotion, yet I have to go hundreds of miles to see the lovely and most entertaining MLSF Such is the lament of any true Firthfan. MLSF (according to an well-informed member of the Firthlist) is doing very well at the box office according to its per screen gross (since it's still playing in only 5 theaters in the country, it can't be compared with the other trash *ahem* movies out there). The figures didn't drop at all since opening weekend. This is very good news!

Edward's worst moments: Boasting that it's "his house now" during the same (the wake) scene I think it one of Edward's best moments As always, you have an interesting point of view. Edward was certainly goaded by Morris, but there's a time and place for everything. He needed to put Morris in his place, but to have it out with him in that setting, on that occasion, was inappropriate, IMO. Edward's comments also struck me as playground boasting ("ha-ha, I won")-- another symptom of his immaturity. Your comments on the symbolism of the Emporer of the Air and Hairy Man were v. perceptive! Just wait until we have an in-depth discussion about this movie. If we can turn P and FF into Oscar-caliber films, I can imagine what we'll do with MLSF :-) (Marianne) She must have had some inkling of Edward's infatuation I think she knew right away. The scene with the mirror confirms it. Then there's that awful moment when she takes his hand at the dinner table and he pulls it away.

(Bethan)Re; Adam Foreman....He also gets honored for his contribution to the war effort...his one major success (Spagnum moss has healing powers). He also served in the war...because the second book "To Reason Why" was about his regiment's service in the Italian Campaign. Sorry, I thought both books were yawners....I hope they publish the Playscript of the film. ***** I have enjoyed all the reviews....I shall go on Saturday...flying down to Dallas daytriper... Will meet Susanne who occasionally posts here . Hoped to meet-up with Rita, but she has a previous committment. It's more fun to see a Firth production with a fellow "Firthoholic". ****Where is Karen's review?

****Where is Karen's review? Do I have to write one of those too? ;-D Lynda's already done such a marvelous job and we agree on so many points. Maybe tomorrow. But I have to comment on a few areas that have been discussed. Too many posts to go back and respond to specific comments, so I'll just plod along in the same vein... The Mossloft scene OK, I was paying very close attention to every word, gesture, and filament of moss hanging off their bodies. At first I thought he had just made a pass, but a few seconds later you saw Heloise's face. She didn't look like a woman who had been raped. She looked somewhat guilty. Then you saw her straightening herself up. Now this ties in with how Moira knew. When she finds the choker in Fraser's bed, he mentions that he found it in the hayloft and there was a scream. She knows it's Heloise's choker nd who else frequents the loft? Not the local pastor! (although he was a riot) Then there are the nasty barbs Heloise throws at Edward at the dinner table, insinuating that he's a hypocrite. Next we have the note. "What did and didn't happen" And the bet at the curling match. My take is that Edward made the awkward pass. Heloise's reaction was initially as we saw. I thought that maybe he had broken down and cried and that was it. But now I think she gave in. Heloise gave Edward the equivalent of Fraser's kiss and she wasn't going to act the hypocrite and play "holier than thou." She gave the little baby what he wanted...once. The Hairy Man Initially I thought he was Fraser's imagination run amok. All those things Edward told him about the devil and this was the devil's incarnation in Fraser's mind. But when Edward dredged the loch for the busts, well out the window that went. I like Lynda's explanation as to what Hairy Man represented vis a vis the Emperor of the Air. (boy, was that a nothing part) Edward's Attraction to Heloise Moira could see it from the start when Edward is whooping it up for Heloise's cello playing. I don't think he could have gotten up off the couch any faster without a catapult. ;-D Edward's Best/Worst Scene The wake. I think how ever inappropriate he behaved and how the audience would like to slap him silly for his comments to a certain extent he was goaded. A mature adult would have picked a better time and place to boot Morris out of there, but that's not Edward. Despite the hateful behavior, Colin is wonderfully awful here. Not Wessex's prattish behavior, but again as Eileen mentioned (I think) like the child on a playground. "It's my house now." "I won that bet several months ago." Bang!! Wallop!! Wh t perfectly placed barbs. Do we condone Moira's outburst here? Clearly that information should have been addressed privately. Would a woman do that in public? I don't think so, not unless she were in control and she could throw him out. This was not the case. The aftermath is wonderful. I love how the characters develop and grow. How Fraser asks his sister what she thinks will happen to their parents' marriage. Then, of course, when Edward comes into their bedroom and admits the error of his ways and the hurt he has caused her. He has only really loved her and this is evidenced by the extent he will go to win her love back. *sigh* [How appropriate that The Pretenders' new song "Human" just played in the background.] Another fav scene that I forgot to mention: definitely the sex lecture rates right up there. Could there have been anything funnier? ;-D

BTW, forgot to mention that I really enjoyed all the discussion that I've just read. All these different views and reactions. Love it!! :-)

Thank you all for your fine reviews. Really fills in the hazy details...I think I was too focused on Colin to remember the rest. Just how many of those kids belonged to Edward and Moria ... and why was Fraser the only child at the dinner table? Despite the hateful behavior, Colin is wonderfully awful here. Not Wessex's prattish behavior, but again as Eileen mentioned (I think) like the child on a playground. "It's my house now." "I won that bet several months ago." Bang!! Wallop!! What perfectly placed barbs. Wonderfully awful, I enjoyed seeing Edward fighting back, Morris is certainly a disagreeable brother and uncle and deserved to be thrown out. Colin took quite a fall in this scene Do we condone Moira's outburst here? Clearly that information should have been addressed privately. Would a woman do that in public? I don't think so, not unless she were in control and she could throw him out. This was not the case. Moira lost control after months of suffering in silence, and since Gamma was Moira's mother, one would assume that the estate was passed down to her and not to Edward. Overall, it's a sweet little film with some very funny moments.

Hi Emma, remember me, I am glad you have been able to see MLSF, I can't wait. On a scale of 1-10 how does this rate amongst Colin's other films and how did you like him personally in it say compared to Mr. D & Lord Wessex. Oh and I hope you will be joining us on the 15th. Also what did you mean when you said"Colin took quite a fall in the scene", did you not like his character at that point and if so did you like him more at the end. Sorry so many questions, but we in the UK have to wait until Nov. to g t the answers. Can I also address these questions to everyone else who has seen MLSF? Thanks.

(AnnW) Also what did you mean when you said"Colin took quite a fall in the scene" Morris punches him and he hits the floor. did you not like his character at that point While one side of you may feel that, yes, it's good that Edward is fighting back and Morris has been very cruel to him (ridiculing him in front of others and to his face), it wasn't the time nor the place. Just the way Colin says the house is his and he can do with it what he wants and then the boast about winning the bet months ago, these are not designed to make you like Edward at that point. Such inappropriate behavior at a funeral. By the end, you will like him again as he realizes what a child he has been and then asks for forgiveness from Moira and works at restoring their relationship. (Emma) Just how many of those kids belonged to Edward and Moria ... and why was Fraser the only child at the dinner table? I think nearly all of them were Edward and Moira's, except the little boy who was Fraser friend. There might have been about 7 of them??? The eldest daughter Elspeth was at the dinner table too and there might have been a few others. Wasn't there a shot of another table where the younger kids sat? Reminds me of my childhood and Thanksgiving dinner. Kids all sat at another table, which was sometimes set up in the basement. It was a major thing to move to the adult table. (Emma) one would assume that the estate was passed down to her and not to Edward. Who knows about property rights and women during that period? Could a married woman inherit the property in her name alone?

From the Toronto Sun's review: Firth has the dirty job in the movie, playing a reprehensible, cowardly character who has to try to redeem himself by the end of the movie. He does it as well as anyone could in the circumstances. It is this character's boyish behaviour which inspires the 10-year-old boy to move towards manhood. Interesting take. Fraser learns from his father's bad example. But the important thing is that this critic sees how difficult a role Colin had and how well he did it. I don't understand those ones who said he was wooden and stiff. They must have gone out for popcorn.

Who said he was wooden and stiff, I though his reviews and those for all the acting were very good.MLSF out of 10? Karen

Just returned from my second viewing and have answered some of my own questions, Karen you're right about the other kids at the table, but Fraser is the only one who spoke. (Karen) There might have been about 7 of them??? Except for Fraser, Edward had very little interactions with the other children. I can't imagine Colin as the father of 7 kids! even in a film. (Ann) how did you like him personally in it say compared to Mr. D & Lord Wessex. I think Colin was best as Mr. D -- the hair, the clothes, the look, the walk, just the perfect combination. (a perfect 10) As Edward, Colin is very cleancut most of the time, and gets to wear a bathing suit and a kilt, no complain there, (an almost perfect 9). And yes Ann, I've booked my 3DoR tickets for Jan. 15, so I'll be seeing you.

Wonderful to finally be able to join you. I haven't read anything here yet but will do so after I say my piece though I haven't gotten my thoughts all sorted out yet. I'm sure everyone's talked about the beautiful scenery, the gorgeous location, and of course Colin's fabulous looks. MLSF is my kind of film...personality driven with dialogue being as or more important than action. Lovely moments and not all of them with Edward in the scenes. 1) when the Emperor of the Sky first comes and Edward looks at his own poor contraption and at the machine that can really fly - rather poignant yet still humorous; 2)Edward being chastised by Gamma for blowing up holes on the estate and has to turn around to tell his men, in front of his son(s) to stop what they're doing. It's a defeat but he attempts to make it seem as if its his own idea; 3)Fraser belowstairs pouring the tea for the servants. It's so cozy there; 4) Edward showing the children how to cast their fishing lines to Beethoven'ts Fifth - got one of the biggest laughs; 5) Anytime Edward says that Beethoven is God and jazz is the devil; 6) Edward in his pajamas, smoking his cigar, ruminating on his downfall and resolving to make amends; 7) the bet between Edward and Morris on the ice. Edward, so smug, trying to make Morris think that he has nothing Edward wants or doesn't have already. Like boys in the playground trying to best each other. Very well done. There were moments where Edward's face just fills the screen and each time I saw one, I wanted to freezeframe and try to etch it into my memory. Then the next one would come and I'd forget the earlier one and try to keep this latest image of him. Now I can't faithfully recall any of those looks but I know there were some very fine ones. There was a 3DOR moment for me too that I can't retain. I think Edward was sitting on the floor, frustrated, hands in hair but I can't remember what he was frustrated about! Definitely a film to see more than once. Some scenes though rang false for me: 1)Gamma getting tipsy on the trifle seemed to be thrown into the film just for the laughs. Also didn't like them making the minister drunk during the same scene. Cheap laughs. 2) Moira confronting her husband in front of everyone at Gamma's wake. She was a reserved, proper woman who kept up appearances. I just don't think she'd do that in front of the guests or the servants. 3) I also think Edward asking for the kiss was a bit too hasty. I know he was lusting after Heloise from the beginning but she gave him absolutely no encouragement. The film didn't make it clear to me why he would do that just then. The film did start to drag, IMO, after Gamma's death. Again, I found most of the scene at the wake to be unbelievable and the reconciliation was kind of confusing. How long were they estranged? Why does she seem to want him gone but then calls him back? Is she forgiving him already? When she calls him back, he keeps going. He seems to be more embarrassed at the public spectacle than by his actions. Is it just taking awhile to sink in? I don't know, the whole scene bugged me. All the children confused me. Who belonged to whom? Fraser's brothers and sisters were nonentities except for Elspeth and she may as well have been for all the difference the Emperor of the North story made to the story. That storyline must have really been chopped during the editing process. I have to think about my favorite outfit for Edward...he looked so fine in them all including the kilt and the pajamas, even the bathing suit. Didn't notice any thinning hair though I did pay close attention to the scene when he lifts 3-year old Fraser onto his shoulders. I'm sure it takes multiple viewings to catch those details. I'm eager now to read the other thoughts here.

I'm pretty sure some of the reviews from 2 weeks ago criticized CF's performance with those words. Ratings, I hate doing ratings! ;-D But for you, Ann... In terms of Colin's acting, a 9.5 This one is way up there for complexity and execution and is easy to dance to! (sorry, American joke) It seems most like Paul Ashworth. He's ridiculed as QE does to Wessex, but you feel sorry for him, and he's able to return the scorn and derision big time. Although he seems like a fool, you like him because he's such a devoted father and husband (until...). We view him the same way Gamma does. Moira loves him and so do we. What fun he made their lives. The film within the body of Colin's work, I'm placing it second only to P&P only because I haven't decided if I could watch it as many times as I have P&P. There so much Colin in it and it's an adorable film. It's not great, but it's enjoyable. (Emma) Except for Fraser, Edward had very little interactions with the other children. The boys did have their daily plunge with dad and I expect they all played with his inventions. Didn't you love his vulcanized rubber pants and that waterwheel thing. A total loon. Why aren't there pictures of Colin paddling around in the water? I can't imagine Colin as the father of 7 kids! even in a film. Hey, if you were going off for a slank frequently enough so that your kids realized it, quite the sex life, they had. Remember in the voiceover, Fraser said that the house was too big for them and their mother had to have babies just to fill it. (Heide) Edward looks at his own poor contraption and at the machine that can really fly - rather poignant yet still humorous I remember how he looked at the real airplane. It is one of those memorable looks, although I don't remember thinking it humorous. He looked so wistful and entranced by that sight. 4) Edward showing the children how to cast their fishing lines to Beethoven'ts Fifth - got one of the biggest laughs One of my favs. "Fraser, liberate your brother." Biggest laugh was at the end, wasn't it? 6) Edward in his pajamas, smoking his cigar, ruminating on his downfall and resolving to make amends Was he smoking a cigar? Thought it was just a cigarette. Didn't it remind you of FP when he's thinking about why Sarah got so upset and left? "Are you pregnant?" Why does she seem to want him gone but then calls him back? Is she forgiving him already? I think she just wants him back so they can talk. It would show everyone that he hadn't really rejected her and the kids. When she calls him back, he keeps going. He seems to be more embarrassed at the public spectacle than by his actions. I didn't see it as embarrassment but the enormity of what he had done had sunk in. I do agree with you (as you'll see above) that I didn't think Moira would confront him at the funeral. Very out of character for someone like her and with her upbringing.

I knew I'd type in Emperor of the North by accident...think Ernie Borgnine. I've just read the other comments. Fascinating stuff. The film I saw begins in 1927. So most of the action takes place in 1934. Are there different copies of this film being shown? (JanaH) Edward's infatuation with Heloise seemed to happen so quickly, and I really didn't feel the character foundation was there yet when Edward performed his act of physical aggressiveness towards her. (Susan) The fact that she "belonged" to Morris probably made her immediately attractive as well...wanting what you can't have. I see I'm not the only one who couldn't understand why he made a pass at Heloise so quickly. Your explanation, Susan, makes sense though it seems extremely impetuous to me. More wonderful moments your descriptions have helped me remember: (Susan) IMO he isn't in love with Heloise so much as having a wild crush on her -- which kind of sets up the rather comedic situation of him and Fraser "competing" for her attention. And he lost out badly to his own son, didn't he? (Murph) And his face as he watches Fraser with the cigar, the snifter and Louie on the gramaphone. His little smile, a hint of his dimples...and his whole face filling the screen. (JanaH) I particularly loved his talk on the birds and the bees when he was trying to explain wet dreams and had to keep blowing his nose. That nose blowing was a wonderful touch. Edward's distraction was hilarious. (Eileen) Lastly, regarding the "rape": it's never really made clear if he did or didn't have sex with her. At the very least, he forced himself on her. (Susan) it just never seemed to me that anything had actually occurred between Edward and Heloise other than the clumsy attempt at a kiss, and maybe he pushed her back into the hay; I just didn't see it going further than that. (Karen) now I think she gave in. Heloise gave Edward the equivalent of Fraser's kiss I agree that he didn't physically force himself on her. Perhaps he wore her down just a bit and got that kiss Karen mentioned just as a means for her to escape. Can't explain the little scream - as Susan says, perhaps she fell back in the hay. But there's no way she would not have told Morris unless she did something she wasn't particularly proud of either. (Eileen) Was anyone else bothered by Heloise's behavior with Fraser? It struck me as borderline inappropriate at times (e.g., rolling around in the moss shortly after they met). Boy, do I agree with you. She was rubbing her hands all over him and then chasing after him to give him a kiss. His view or ours, I don't know but I also found her comment to Fraser at the wake to not listen to his father to be way out of line. BTW, how can Moira know that it's Heloise Edward is talking about when he mentions the bet? Karen, you brought up a lot of clues in the film that Moira picked up on but I wonder if she presumed too much. Why did she think the necklace found in Fraser's bed had anything to do with her husband? Why does she think the (I assume) moss scented letter to Fraser had anything to do with her husband? The stuff was all over the place. Even at the wedding she's shooting dirty looks at her husband. I don't think it unusual that she would have suspicions - there were reasons - but I believe in the end she presumed too much. (Lynda) Edward, as much as Fraser, is an innocent, probably has never been beyond the Kiloran neighbourhood, never has had a other woman besides Moira, is intelligent but not well-educated and relies on biblical dogma to guide him. Very perceptive description. (Lynda) I loved that bug-eyed goofy grin he gave in the plane. At that moment, Edward was showing his exhiliration and utter happiness in a way that usually only children do. An example of his child-like behavior. It was Fraser who asked to go up in the plane. Who goes up? His father. Edward wanted to experience it himself first, not his son. (Emma) why was Fraser the only child at the dinner table? I found the hazy information about the other children to be rather infuriating. Other thoughts: Could Heloise have played a more suggestive instrument than the cello? Gamma didn't blink an eye when Morris's two women friends from London came to visit.

(Heide) But there's no way she would not have told Morris unless she did something she wasn't particularly proud of either. This ties into something I've mentioned to Evelyn, especially after seeing it a second time. If Edward had forced her, she would've said something at the funeral after Edward makes the crack about winning the bet. My first reaction would have been to yell back, "but you had to rape me to do it!" And then POWEE Morris makes contact. But she didn't. Moira knows right away that her husband is attracted to Heloise. She looks at his face during the cello concert (only you, Heide, would notice about the instrument) and she is perturbed right away. Then she's checking herself out and how dumpy she looks. Fraser tells her where he found the choker and she can figure it out. Who else hangs out at the Moss Factory besides Fraser and hubby? Also, Heloise doesn't tell anyone that she's missing the choker because it would only lead to questions about where she was and what was she doing there. I thought it was wonderful that Edward took Moira up with him. More sexual nuances? ;-D

The film I saw started in 1920 with baby Fraser on the roof. So must be two versions out there.

(Karen) If Edward had forced her, she would've said something at the funeral after Edward makes the crack about winning the bet. I was watching the Moss Factory scene more carefully this time, and I agree with Heide, Edward tried to make a pass at Heloise, he was rejected and their relationship became strained. I thought Edward was only wearing his vest at the factory, but back at the house, he had moss in his hair as well as his jacket. Near the end of the film when Fraser asked Elspeth "What is carnal knowledge?" she implied that Edward and Heloise "knew" each other...did she know that for a fact or is she just guessing? (Karen) The film within the body of Colin's work, I'm placing it second only to P&P only because I haven't decided if I could watch it as many times as I have P&P. MLSF has many short funny bits and some serious moments with Colin, but he is much more droolable as Darcy, besides there's the first proposal, the letter, and quite a few other scenes where he gets a great deal of dialogue...for simple Colin viewing pleasure, P&P is just unbeatable.

)Karen) She looks at his face during the cello concert (only you, Heide, would notice about the instrument) I suppose a saxophone would have been slightly more suggestive but not by much. (Emma) Fraser asked Elspeth "What is carnal knowledge?" she implied that Edward and Heloise "knew" each other...did she know that for a fact or is she just guessing? She has to be just guessing as everyone is doing. No one knows for sure excpet Edward and Heloise. Moira may be imagining worse things than what really happened. But what she really lays into Edward for is his complete insensitivity to her and her children. Bravo to her there.

(Heide) I suppose a saxophone would have been slightly more suggestive but not by much. The sax would've been more approriate for jazz. I remember an interview with Emily Watson for her role in Hilary and Jackie. She felt the Cello as a very senual instrument -- it is placed between the legs :-) as well as all that stroking. Has anyone seen the soundtrack for MLSF?

As I said on 119...this is a lovely movie. Sadly, it has no gimick..which unfortunately every movie this summer seems to have. It also has no story...it�s a series of recollections of childhood by ten year old Fraser; not a �big- burner� for a film. Cast ensemble was excellent..except for Morris (MM) who was definitely too old...was he supposed to be about 50? The guy looked like the far side of 70!! Walking next to Gamma (RH) he looked like her brother not Moira�s. When he kissed Heliose, I was repulsed. Why would Heloise want to marry the old koot anyway!! RH(Gamma) was made up to look like 80...has such similar facial expressions like Jennifer�s...arches one eyebrow and looks up with her eye...same way. I SAW Lennie the Head Curler...shame he wasn�t listed in the credits. Soundtrack a bust....only a smattering of jazz...little bits of Scottish Aires, Beethoven...I will be surprised if it�s even released.But I�ll keep checking with Footlights. Though it is the very best he has ever looked in a role...I still hold out for AMITC and T. as his best acting roles.And P&P as the one I�ll keep looking at. Not to mimimize Edward...superb facial expressions...sometimes he fills the entire screen.....he�s a loon one minute, a caring father the next, a lusty hunk the next...versatile ...absolutely. Can�t wait for the video. Will we have fun with this discussion!! **** Great to get your reviews Emma and Heide.

Since I was lucky enough to see MLSF with Evelyn yesterday in Dallas, I thought I would post a few comments on it. I went into the movie not knowing very much about the movie. I wanted to go in with a fresh view. I pleasantly surprised that it had so many very funny moments in it. Edward is a hard character to really like after Heloise arrives. A man with at least 7 children should not be lusting after a sweet young thing. (I would not excuse this even if his mother and grandmother had a conflict with him trying to please both ala Bill Clinton).Even though I was not crazy about Edward, Colin does a wonderful job actin . No CF fan will be disappointed with this film. There are some wonderful close-ups of Colin that show off his fine-eyes exceptionally well. He has a major role in a beautifully shot and acted film with a happy-ending,not to mention that he looks great. What's not to like. Even though I might not have liked Edward with the Heloise angle, without it the film would have been a bit of a yawn. Actually, I can't think of what the story would be if it weren't in the film. Perhaps the hairy man and Emperor of the Sky would have explored further. Snooze! CF and RH gave the best performances. The boy was adorable and carried the movie. I give the movie 3 stars and place this 5th on my personal list of CF's best work after Hostages, Tumbledown, P&P, Valmont,and AMITC. Now all I have to do is decide where to hang my new MLSF poster.

Thanks Sue for that, one thing though, how can you say that CF & RH give the best performances and yet the young boy carries the film and I think MLSF comes 6th in your CF best work list.

Have decided on my favorite outfit: First one after the opening *whites* scene. This is where Edward and Fraser are flying a kite. Edward has a white shirt, sleeves rolled up, creamy colored vest, and dark trousers. He's also wearing the glasses. yum yum I think he wears nearly the same thing in the scene where he's showing the guys how his underground chimney will work. Audience this afternoon was larger. Maybe 50 people. Laughed loudly from the very beginning and a number clapped at the end. No audience reaction cards or posters (I asked). ;-D Do you think they used an animatronic Fraser up on the roof? ;-D Evelyn, what about the head shot? Thought it was very noticeable again.

Evelyn, what about the head shot? Thought it was very noticeable again Missed it. But did think they dyed his hair again....v. dark..not his normal brown. Best droolin' outfit: The hunting one....Belted jacket,tweed plusfores (Ann tells me that's what they call "knickers"!), high socks and that wide brimmed hat!! Second best:The navy blue suit at the dinner table!!Definitely Saville Row!! ....animatronic Fraser up on the roof? ;-D What is that?That toddler did have a moronic look on his face!!

Hmmm, he looked pretty yummy in the navy suit at dinner. I also liked the shirts and button front vest combination, BTW, I thought he looked rather grumpy at the hunt, when Morris was pushing his weight around.

Ann, You are right, MLSF comes in 6th on my list. Now I can't count either. What will go next? It was hard to choose good performances from Colin since there are so many. I liked CF's and RH's acting performances the best. When I said the boy carries the film, I meant that he is really the lead actor. All other roles support his. This is about Fraser's relationship to his father not the other way around. He needed to be believable in his role which he was, but not nesessarily the best actor (this was his first acting job afterall). Acting honors goes to CF and RH, IMO.

Thanks for that Sue. Did you find that you were able to forgive Edward at the end and ended up liking him even though he had been horrible to his wife and lusted after Heloise?

sorry about the grammar.

(AnnW) . Did you find that you were able to forgive Edward at the end and ended up liking him even though he had been horrible to his wife and lusted after Heloise? Absolutely. It is a rare thing for any man to admit his faults, ESPECIALLY one who is as childlike as Edward was. His pride suffered a terrible series of blows. The fact that he was willing to humble himself and come back and work on the relationship (Where have we heard THAT before??? :-D) shows his genuine love for his wife and family. My only complaint in this regard is that we are not allowed to witness more of the redemption. At this point the movie feels like an enormous chunk was taken out of the and the hole covered over with a short narrative summarys in the boy's voice. I believe one reviewer made that observation...that the movie was slow and disjointed but right at the end you wanted it to continue to round things out. (I have a horrible suspicion that part of that nearly-one-half-hour that was trimmed off the "in-progress" movie was...or should have been...in there.)

I had to drive 2 hrs. each way in order to go to a Sunday matinee at the single theatre showing it in Seattle. The elderly man in line for the first (12:30) showing was there for the same movie and almost immediately launched into praise for P & P and how it aroused he and his spouse's awareness of CF. I asked how he found out about this movie, and he said that he saw a trailer shown in a Cineplex in Bellevue, a large town cheek by jowl with Seattle, and began looking in the newspapers for it. I remarke that they probably wouldn't be showing the trailer unless they anticipated showing the movie. We both hoped that was the case. The theatre was situated in the older part of town just west of the City Center (you know, Space Needle and all that!), but the theatre itself was very nice with steep tiered seating and a moderately good-sized screen. Sound was excellent too. To be honest, I cannot tell you the size or content of the audience as most of them were seated behind me. Relatively subdued. The best laughs for the casting scene and at the end (especially when we see the book F is studying along with his milk and cigar!) Bei g nearly noon on a Sunday, I don't know if one would expect a large turnout. I did notice, though, that as I left already a good-sized group of mixed ages were coming in and had obviously been released from waiting until the first show's audience had cleared. What surprised me was that the next showing was not due for another 40 minutes! I left the movie subdued, pensive and moved. There was a lot in there in no particular order, and I knew it would take me awhile to sort it all out in my head before being able to respond properly. The major first reaction, though, was that the movie felt as if it had had vital links chopped out of it, and I wished mightily to see what had landed on the cuttin-room floor! I couldn't possibly stay for a second showing, and I doubt I will make the trek again for it, but I know I want to see it again and ope for the opportunity soon. I'll try to get in more later. Sorry for the disjointed series of impressions.

So glad that you got the opportunity to see it. We were wondering all weekend if you had. Definitely agree that so many little bits must have been cut because I can't believe a director like Hudson would leave such fragmentary story-telling. BTW, I don't think there is any relationship between the trailers shown and what will actually play at a given theater. Best example: when I saw The Red Violin at this very same inconvenient art house cinema, we were shown the trailer for Inspector Gadget. Believe me, it never played there. ;-0

Well don KJ for driving 4 hours to see our DB, your are a true Firthfan and well done everyone who has gone to see MLSF, lets hope is has done wellagain this weekend, does anyone know where it is in the BO this weekend?

well done everyone who has gone to see MLSF Now, Ann, if you really want to boost the Box Office, fares to NY are not too expensive at the moment:-))

Don't tempt me Allison, we have got a week of next week with nothing planned except the house being painted. re the BO, I can answer my own question here, it is still at #44 and the average per screen had dropped by more than half, after such a great start it makes me so mad that Miramamx seem to have given up on it, no publicity and shown as cinemas which seem very hard to get to and some sound a bit antiquated to say the least. It seems so unfair when there is so much rubbish out there. Sorry to be a rump, on the bright side it perhaps means that we will get the video sooner rather than later.

for rump read grump. It must be very disheartening for Colin, he gives it his all and no one sees it, the same with SLOW.

(Heide) I've just read the other comments. Fascinating stuff. The film I saw begins in 1927. So most of the action takes place in 1934. Are there different copies of this film being shown? Believe it or not, there are at least two versions out there. It sounds as though Karen saw the same version that I saw in NYC, which is different than what you and I saw in Philadelphia. IMO, the version shown in NYC/Chicago is the better one. The NYC film started in 1920, the Phila. version 1927.The only visual difference I can specifically remember is that the dancing in the rain scene in the NYC film seemed to be in the moonlight - bluelit and more romantic (correct me if I'm wrong,Karen) whereas the hila film had it in daylight. The epilogues were different: the Phila. version didn't mention that the parents remained in Scotland or that Fraser was badly wounded in the war; the NYC version kind of implied that Kiloran was sold because of Pre-war economic conditions and in general was a little more detailed. In the Phila.version some of Fraser's narration was eliminated, e.g. Fraser saying that Moira and Edward had lots of children to fill up the big house, Fraser speaking simultaneuously with Edward a out Beethoven and jazz (an improvement, actually) and Fraser saying that his dad worked hard and eventually Moira forgave him. Small changes, but why for heaven's sake? Will post more later.

the dancing in the rain scene in the NYC film seemed to be in the moonlight - bluelit and more romantic Yes, it is. Fraser is up above at his bedroom window watching his parents. How could it be daylight? They are in their nightclothes. in the Phila.version some of Fraser's narration was eliminated, e.g. Fraser saying that Moira and Edward had lots of children to fill up the big house, Fraser speaking simultaneuously with Edward about Beethoven and jazz (an improvement, actually) and Fraser saying that his dad worked hard and eventually Moira forgave him. Small changes, but why for heaven's sake? Really that last one isn't such a *small change* IMO. Also I thought the simultaneous speaking was good. Parents often give their children the same explanation for things over and over again, so that a child would know the answer reflexively and tend to mimic them. Thought that was cute. Frankly, I disliked the epilogue explanations of what happend to Fraser and his family afterwards. It gives the false impression that this story is true. After having read, "Son of Adam," we know it is not. It is only loosely based on his life. A lot of creative license has been taken, so why tell everyone that Fraser goes on to become a big important television executive and director of the Royal Opera? And, yes, everybody laughs at the "he still likes jazz" line.

In Dallas, I saw a version that said "1920"..but they danced in the rain in the moonlight in pajamas as Fraser said something like "and papa made mama laugh again". It went on to say that Fraser had served in Italy during WW II, but I don't remember being wounded.And Kiloran was sold because of economics ( Edward's inventions didn't pan out, eh?). I rather liked knowing what Fraser turned out to be...it made for a good closure. *** Thank KJArt for taking that 4 hour trek.I will say Spring Fans are die-hards! I enjoyed your comments and look forward to more. With luck MLSF video should be out in February. SIL vid was released **today**!!

I rather liked knowing what Fraser turned out to be...it made for a good closure. Movie captioning has been a hot-button issue with me lately. I find it distracting and it is being overused. The most galling example lately was Tea with Mussolini. Could there have been more captions? I don't think so. I realize that most Americans have no idea when WWII was fought, where it was fought, by whom it was fought and astonishingly why it was fought, but I was insulted by the amount of captioning. Every other scene showed the date and a brief synopsis of what particular events were in th news. Argh!! This is a movie not part of a high-school history curriculum. Done ranting :-)

(Lynda) Believe it or not, there are at least two versions out there. It sounds as though Karen saw the same version that I saw in NYC, which is different than what you and I saw in Philadelphia. If there are different versions out there, and questionaires handed out, it can mean only that they are testing which version will be received better. Would make no sense if they had already decided right from the start not to promote it at all. I would guess there's still hope that one or another MLSF will get a wider release. *I'd rather be in Philadelphia.* - Mossless in Germany -

*I'd rather be in Philadelphia.* You'd rather see the one with more omissions?

I think she means she'd like to see it - period. ;-) (Renate) If there are different versions out there, and questionaires handed out, it can mean only that they are testing which version will be received better. I think that's a pretty damn good possibility and may give hope for us all.

or that she wishes she were W.C. Fields! ;-D

(Karen).... that she wishes she were W.C. Fields! ;-D LOL. Me?..I plan to keep calling Miramax for updates. Can't hurt. We've got a **live**one here...not dead like SLOW.

(Evelyn) Thank KJArt for taking that 4 hour trek. I will say Spring Fans are die-hards! The 4-hour trek was the least of it! At least one is progressing from point A to point B pretty predictably. The phrase "You can't get there from here" applies to downtown Seattle in spades...trying to maneuver became a nightmare. Even though I spent about an hour with a good map (good???) the night before planning my route, I still was frustrated in no time flat What with the unexpected barriers and wrong-way one-way streets!! All-in-all I think I had to pull over at least 5 (maybe 6) times to igure out where the **** I was (fill in your favorite explative here), and how the **** (ditto) could i get to where I wanted to go. Trying to get out was just as difficult as getting in!! I figure that maybe I'd be tempted to make the trek again , once I'd mellowed out, but the fact that I'd have to impose on friends to look in on the dog and the reality of Downtown Seattle make it pretty likely I won't try it again!!! ***** Fraser: "...and what is fell-latt-ee oh??" FOTFLOL at the expression engendered by that line on Edward's face...even more horrified than the response to the "orgy" question, I think. Hee hee. ***** Edward's "sex-education" fiasco did produce one very pronounced effect: Note that Fraser was fleeing her frantically at their next visit...undoubtedly to avoid those "temptations of the flesh" that she embodied. ***** Re: the hayloft (actually moss-loft) scene. I make my judgment of events based on her reactions later. Had there been a genuine rape, she would have told Morris and been afraid of her. Had she given in, I think she would stay as far away from the subject as possible afterwards. No, I think he did try to push it and was effectively repulsed and she got back at him for that indignity by the cutting remarks and utter contempt she showed toward him at the dinner. I think the letter later was basicly "we' e going to be in-laws, and I'll say no more about it if you won't". ***** I agree with Heide that the wake scenes seemed written for dramatic effect and felt unrealistic to the nature of the characters involved as revealed so far, especially Moira's outburst. One of the things I want to pick up on a repeat viewing was what she said to him at the bottom of the stairs...something about his choosing, I think. The confrontation was necessary to the story, but the setting was simply not very believable.

The ramifications of Fraser's family have still to be illuminated. I think I heard someone saying, as they dragged the body up from the pond, that that was "Uncle ****'s crazy brother" , therefore a distant relative...(obviously uncle by marriage). Whoever next sees it, try to nail that line will you?

(KJArt) No, I think he did try to push it and was effectively repulsed and she got back at him for that indignity by the cutting remarks and utter contempt she showed toward him at the dinner. I think the letter later was basicly "we'e going to be in-laws, and I'll say no more about it if you won't". Heloise did taunt Edward at the dinner table didn't she!! (And he in that gorgeous navy-blue suit!!)She kept bring up Biblical references and used the word "hypocrite " more than once.She was one angry lady....but I thought the scene was believable...unlike the post- funeral scene...with Edward on the floor (same gorgeous navy-blue suit) (KJArt)One of the things I want to pick up on a repeat viewing was what she said to him at the bottom of the stairs...something about his choosing.. I think it went something like "..I want youEdward...what do you want? us or her..."

*Trying to catch up* Karen, KJ, Heide, Evelyn-of-the-skies, Susanne, et. al: so glad you were able to see the movie! Unfortunately, I'm starting to forget all the details as I only saw it once a few weeks ago. Nevertheless, a few comments: (Karen) Why aren't there pictures of Colin paddling around in the water? I think there is at least one shot of him in the water in that thing. It's a head-on shot (as though the audience is facing him). Does anyone else remember? (Susanne) When I said the boy carries the film, I meant that he is really the lead actor He's the central character who connects all the threads, but his role is far less complicated than Edward's. Two versions: I wonder if this is commonly done? As I said in my first post, Miramax kept meddling with this until the bitter end (and then some). To the best of my recollection, the waltzing scene was overcast, not moonlit. But I could be wrong...[I saw the '1920' version] And the film had already melted once. The infamous moss loft: Edward had to do more than kiss Heloise (agree he didn't go so far as to rape her). There's moss all over their clothes (including their backs) and her chocker fell off. There must have been *some* rollin' around up there! (KJArt) My only complaint in this regard is that we are not allowed to witness more of the redemption. I agree. Edward writhes in his chair for a bit (Darcyesque) then has an "aha" moment. (KJArt) I agree with Heide that the wake scenes seemed written for dramatic effect and felt unrealistic to the nature of the characters involved as revealed so far, especially Moira's outburst Consider this: Moira's been wrestling with her suspicions for some time and has just lost her beloved mother. Edward and Morris are going at it and...she "loses it." She snaps. Favorite outfit: c'mon, you didn't like him clumping around the estate in those boots, with his pants tucked in? ;-P I liked the opening sequence whites the best. Next for me are those rubber pants hee hee It doesn't look as though I'll be seeing this again any time soon (will be away next week) so I will rely on the rest of you to keep posting details! (Karen) Do you think they used an animatronic Fraser up on the roof? ;-D Leave it to you to think of that! Disneytronics?? Move over, Country Bear Jamboree! Didn't you crack up when at one point Edward tries to go after Baby Fraser and he's held back by the rope?

(Eileen) Didn't you crack up when at one point Edward tries to go after Baby Fraser and he's held back by the rope? Perfect example of the physicality Colin brings to the role! Real slapstick moment if there ever was one. I think there is at least one shot of him in the water in that thing. In the movie, yes. I meant a still shot. I want a Snappy of that one. :-D

*hit the button before I was ready* (Eileen) Edward had to do more than kiss Heloise (agree he didn't go so far as to rape her)...There must have been *some* rollin' around up there! Definitely agree. How do the rest of you explain Edward's insinuations when he tries to make the bet with Morris and then his gloating response to Morris at the funeral about having "won the bet several months ago"? Something had to have happened. Not a rape, but consensual to some extent.

How do the rest of you explain Edward's insinuations when he tries to make the bet with Morris and then his gloating response to Morris at the funeral about having "won the betseveral months ago"? Something had to have happened. I think Edward's gotten carried away with his childish need to lord it over Morris. He's making more out of it than what actually happened completely ignoring the fact that he's got an audience of his wife and children not to mention other sundry relatives who are hearing every word. I am sure Heloise would have told Morris if she had been raped. The fact that Morris knew nothing tells me Heloise was ashamed to tell him what did happen which I interpret to be something like a little grope and feel, may e a kiss. She's angry and embarrassed that she let it happen. Edward thinks he scored. Favorite outfit....ummm, definitely need a second look since I liked them all!

By more of the redemption, I meant after his apology. Fraser's narration talks about his taking many weeks to "teach her to laugh again" or something like that ...they showed the dance in the rain as our only witness to that process. I felt deprived. I wanted to watch the process of Edward tentatively doing whatever he did to gradually get back into her good graces and patch up their wounded relationship...that would have been a whole story in itself...and they chose not to show it...and I missed it!!

(Karen) Something had to have happened. I agree. Not a rape, but consensual to some extent. I don't agree. there is no evidence that anything consensual took place. When they showed her later straightening herself, she was obviously very upset. I did not interpret it as guilt. And she wouldn't dare taunt him at dinner in front of all the others if "something consensual" had taken place...she would have made every effort to avoid the subject. (Heide) She's angry and embarrassed that she let it happen. Edward thinks he scored. I think this is a very good interpretation of the situation and comes much closer to my impression of it...it reflects Edward's immaturity -- crowing to the other guy that he had managed to "cop a feel". --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't disagree with Edward's motivations (boasting, crowing, etc.). It's Heloise's response or lack of response I find very bothersome. If she had been raped, she would have told Morris. If she kept it to herself because she didn't want to cause problems with the family she was marrying into, when Edward makes that crack, she would have said something like "you animal!" She has already shown that she will speak her mind ("pay no attention to your father") amd the dinner table comments about Edward b ing a hypocrite (Mr. God-fearing muscular Christian unable to control his lust and commiting adultery). She on the other hand is not a hypocrite, but a very free spirited modern woman of the 20s or 30s, depending on your city. ;-) Also, there was Edward's comment to Fraser about the French, having no moral fiber or something like that. (KJ) When they showed her later straightening herself, she was obviously very upset. I did not interpret it as guilt. I did. She didn't look the least terrified or flustered. To me, she looked a little guilty.

You have the advantage of me...I only saw it once! 8-D I wonder if Colin's conception of "making an ass of himself" includes rape or flagrant adultery? hm?

I wonder if Colin's conception of "making an ass of himself" includes rape or flagrant adultery? hm? Considering the social climate of the time, I'd say his literal 'roll in the moss' qualifies as flagrant adultery. IMO had a rape occurred it would not be so glossed over by anyone (actor, critic) speaking about the film.

From DP in the TImes today:"It's about how a family forgives itself and ges on with life after a dramatic domestic incident....the incident involves illicit love". Apparently Sir Denis Foreman has seen the film and has declared himself happy with the result. Seems unlikely that Sir Denis would want to see his father portrayed as a rapist!!

Puttnam: "illicit love" Thank you, Allison. I would interpret his comment as more than having lustful feelings or trying for a little grope. That means there was sex, but definitely not a rape because a rape would never be called love.

If it was consensual, Heloise sure wasn't a happy camper at dinner. Whatever went on...he sure looked cute coming into the sitting room with that moss hanging out of his ears :-)

If it was consensual, Heloise sure wasn't a happy camper at dinner. If I remember correctly, she pounced on his words only after he started acting a bit holier-than-thou. He was twisting Christian beliefs to suit his purposes and she wanted to expose him as a hypocrite. Actually, now that I think about, she probably told Morris.

Colin's performance just gets better and better, after the third viewing, I'm looking forward to 3 more! Heloise is the only character that seems two dimensional, IJ played her with just a few facial expressions. (Karen) Actually, now that I think about, she probably told Morris. If Morris knew about it at dinner, I think he would be very angry, and would certainly shown Edward his displeasure, physically...later on at the funereal he punched Edward about the bet.

Just kidding about Heloise telling Morris. She's such a flirt though. Am wondering if how we're viewing this is somehow colored by the fact that we're women and the film was made by men. What do men think happened?

(Emma) Colin's performance just gets better and better, after the third viewing, I'm looking forward to 3 more! Ain't it the truth, girl!!! I have thoroughly enjoyed all your comments about MLSF. Hope you can stand reading some more of mine. Re: the moss factory scene. Neither I nor any of the other people who saw this film with me think Edward had sex with Heloise, much less raped her. He may have forced a kiss and a grope on her, in which struggle she lost the choker. After the scream (which sounded more like "please, Edward" to me - in a vein similar to "get off of me, ya big lug"), she said to Edward (out of the frame at that moment) that he was behaving like a child. Not the words of a woman who had just had either consentual or non-cons ntual sex with her brother-in-law to-be. Furthermore, Edward's behaviour with Morris afterwards would have been much different, frightened had he raped Heloise or barely concealed gloating had it been mutually-desired sex. As for Heloise's obvious distress, it came from the loss of the choker, but also, possibly, from the unexpected intensity of Edward's desire (she may have seen him, through Morris' eyes, as a buffoon, but there was nothing lightweight about his passion). Edward's look at Heloise when she joined Morris and the girls was one of longing. And there was a perfect little look that CF had Edward give Heloise at the dinner table, whose meaning I can't quite articulate, kind of li e the look one sibling gives to another when he's afraid the other is going to tattle on him, not a look of shame or guilt, but a kind of "damn you" expression. I have to say here, that this one tiny, amazing, perfect expression epitomizes what I so adore about Colin's acting. Finally, could Heloise and Edward have actually sat across the dinner table from each other and next to Morris and Moira just a few hours after they'd had sex together, whatever it's nature? The Marquise de Merteuil and Valmont coul have pulled it off, but probably not Heloise and certainly not Edward, IMO. As for the quickness of Edward's attraction, do we know how long passed between Heloise's arrival and the loft episode? Maybe a man married for at least 17 years with seven or eight kids (there were 3 at the adult's table and 5 at the kid's table in the dinner scene, but were they were all Pettigrew children?) shouldn't lust after his brother-in-law's fiancee, but IMO, impetuous, virile (he keeps talking about a manly, masculine attitude towards Christianity) and unwordly Edward would be exactly the type f man to fall head-over-heels in lust with lively, wordly, physical (remember how she kept stroking Fraser?) young Heloise, so very different from Moira. Which brings me to Heloise's behaviour in the loft scene. Now far be it from me to suggest that Heloise was asking for it here, but... in the earlier scene, when Edward sent Fraser off in a most obvious manner and then gave Heloise his little gift, she gave him quite a seriously appraising look, to which he responded with a look which reminded me of Neil gazing at Romelia -shy and unsure of himself. Next time we see them together alone, it's in the mossloft again. Now, Heloise may have been young, but she wasn't Fraser's age, and she'd played in a dance trio and must have been used to men's attentions. I won't buy for a minute that she was unaware of Edward's being completely besotted with her, so why would she risk being alone with him? The scene began with him talking about some building he was planning (he even had the plans in his hand, I think). He walked away from her, still talking about the moss factory, when Heloise cut him off mid-sentence and commented on how much she "loves" the moss. She was s roking Edward's ego here and making the conversation more intimate. Edward replied that he did too, stooped next to her and began speaking of Morris' contempt for the moss business, which she denied. After Edward said, "your fiance has no soul", Heloise called out his name and as Edward looked at her, she threw the moss at him, which he, most awkwardly, threw back at her and then, the kissing business began. Maybe it wasn't deliberate, but IMO, Heloise was flirting or toying with Edward. Accepting that sh wasn't interested in Edward, (ok, I'm biased here, but Heloise choosing Morris over Edward as a lover does beggar the imagination - MMcD did a good job but he really was too old for the role, made Heloise seem a gold-digger), perhaps Heloise was flattered by his infatuation, maybe took it as her due, but for Edward's part, he was deadly serious. When she had time to think about it, Heloise accepted her share of the blame for this episode, which is why she sent that conciliatory letter. In short, Heloise lirted with Edward and Edward (in Colin's words) made an ass of himself. My son's response to Edward's behaviour here was "What an idiot!". Of course, I could be all wet in my take on this; sorry for being so long-winded but as there has been so much interesting, insightful discussion on this, I've given it a lot of thought. Look forward to your responses. BTW, I believe that MLSF is the first CF film that I've seen in which he does not say "Wot". :-)

(Lynda) And there was a perfect little look that CF had Edward give Heloise at the dinner table...like the look one sibling gives to another when he's afraid the other is going to tattle on him, not a look of shame or guilt, but a kind of "damn you" expression. That's a great look he gives her after she tells him that you can't consider yourself a good Christian if you profess one thing and do another. After the mossloft scene, when Edward comes into the sitting room where Morris is hanging out, I got the feeling he's just itching to be noticed or to pick a fight. He kept pacing about, hovering around him. Then of course he picks up the tray of drinks and that starts it all. It is like he wants Morris to see him semi-disheveled, with the hanks of moss hanging off him.

Well, finally got to see MLSF today! :) the theater was So Small! only 52 seats (i counted) and the screen was about the size of two big screen tv's. Did any body else get stuck with such a tiny screening room? On the plus side, it was pretty full, about 40/45 people there. (i brought 3 with me!) :) i thought Colin was gorgeous (of course!) and did a wonderful job... but must admit that i was slightly disappointed in the movie over all. I loved the first 1/3, when we see Edward as the family man -with all of his goofy inventions. :) And there are so many wonderful shots of Colin's adorable face and he portrayed a wide range of emotions very well. He totally had me drooling and laughing in So many places. What drove me crazy was that most of the movie was focused on Edward's faults- that's where i th ught it started to drag. Then when it got around to them dancing in the rain (*sigh* how romantic is that?) i thought, 'ah finally -it's getting good again' and the next thing i know, the movie is over! I wanted to know WHAT Edward did to win back Moria's love and trust, and to make her laugh again! Also, to repeat what nearly everyone else has stated; the scene at the funeral/wake was SO unrealistic! And, did anybody else get tired of watching a ten yr old boy obesse about sex and naked women? And what t e heck was Sissy the maid (who looked about 15) doing bathing a 10 yr old boy? ok- i'll stop ranting and raving now :) scenes i though were hysterical: the flyfishing (of course!) :) Edward on the rope Edward in the floating device Fraser w/the cigar and milk at the end Edward doing the morning excerises with his sons, then jumping into the lake the kids mouthing the introduction to their father's sermon, then nearly falling off the bench trying to keep from laughing. -admitedly this struck me as particually funny as my daddy is a laypreacher (much like Edward) and my brother, sister and i used to do this when we heard him preaching a sermon we knew as well as he did :) things that confused me: (all of which i believe have already been brought up) who the heck was the hairy man? how many kids did they have? did Moria have more than one brother? wasnt there another uncle at most of the big events? things i loved: The location- would you not die to have been raised in that wonderful old castle and spent your childhood roaming that estate? Colin, Colin, Colin. (but then -we all knew that already!) ;)

Too bad about the theatre you saw MLSF in, SB. Not surprising, though, considering the consistently off-hand treatment this film has received from its distributors. I've been lucky to see MLSF in some pretty decent theatres. The hairy man, IMO, was actually the man dredged from the loch, the shell-shocked cousin of Andrew Burns (who seemed to be like the estate manager), not a figment of Fraser's imagination. There were at least 6 children, Elspeth, another older girl, an older boy, Fraser, Brenda and Finlay. I wondered, too, about Cissy bathing Fraser. Fraser had pnuemonia in that scene, maybe that's why. I'll bet she never bathed him again, though. Kiloran was fairly remote and maids bathing children Fraser's age may have been an old custom. Don't forget that even Darcy had a servant to assist him with his bath. The Uncle Crawford to whom you are referring was, I believe, the brother of Gamma (or possibly of the deceased Samuel). I loved Edward doing the exercises with the boys and telling them to gird their loins. He kicked up his heels so high, coming down the stairs, that I thought he was going to kick himself in the bum. Fairly danced down those stairs. So much energy and life in Edward *sigh*. Has anyone figured out what he said to the boys as he was paddling about in the loch?

Hi All, I understand MLSF has EXPANDED to anohter theatre in or around Cambridge, Boston area, well done to everyone in that area who supported MLSF, its a start!!