I thought this was unusual and very pretty, too, on Samantha.

The "fashion police" above look like they wore everything they own, at the one time. ;-) They forgot the golden rule of dressing. Get dressed, turn around twice and take off the first accessory that takes your eye and anything that makes a noise. As for the pale lipstick choices - well that's the thing this year. So the make-up artists follow the trends just like the stylists. I like RZ in pale colours. I think strong colours cloud her face and overwhelm her. The back detail was perfect if one was inclined to think their rear view might be still a little larger than wished for. She was surpremely elegant. And I still think Charlize's hair was better at the SAGs. As for Peter, et al! Egads, tidiness is next to godliness, isn't it? Frankly I don't know how he stands his hair over his face all the time. Obviously they think Bohemian is a stand out fashion statement - very middle earth.

(Mari) I thought this was unusual and very pretty, too, on Samantha. It was vintage. Circa 1959 but I cannot remember the designer. I'm not a big lace person, but I thought it was beautiful too. Her earrings didn't match though (picky, picky, I know!) And LOL at Peter and the missus...my friend said she looked like Peg Bundy. Moon, Liv's dress was pretty (but rather matronly with the high neck), but I didn't like her hair! Looked like two different styles. Sandra looked nice...but I did like the top half better than the bottom of her dress...she kinda lost me after the little bow on her hip.

Thanks for that picture, Tress! Liv's dress had a beautiful backside, not matronly at all, very sexy. Her hair was pure glamour with a touch of originality. Sandra's Oscar della Renta is elegant and pure fun. Both very chic. Samantha's dress was from Givenchy's first couture show in the '50's. She's tiny enough to pull it off.

(Moon) Liv's dress had a beautiful backside, not matronly at all, very sexy. Here ya go Moon: (Moon) Samantha's dress was from Givenchy's first couture show in the '50's. Thanks! I had forgotten that she said that (I think she was being interviewed by my fav, Joan)! I love most of the vintage gowns (remember Julia Roberts Valentino from a few years ago...stunning). Samantha looked v. nice indeed!

Thanks for bringing in the pictures, ladies. Re: the Fashion Police, dear Melissa had a wardrobe malfunction before the Red Carpet even started. The strap broke on her $$$$$ Stuart Weitzmans. LOL! Her dress was by Elie Saab, the one who did Halle Berry's Oscar gown (one I didn't like, but I recall lots did). (Moon) Sandra's Oscar della Renta is elegant and pure fun. Both very chic. Dunno about that. Looks more like a dress designed by a committee. Somebody stuck a bow on it. Another added feathers. One wanted a straight line for the bodice; another wanted it to flare. A compromise dress, designed by committe.

(Ildiko)Zeta-Jones still looks like one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen on the screen, until she starts talking I agree that she's a stunner, but I think her voice is very breathy and affected. Gives me the impression that she's trying too hard to channel Liz Taylor back when Liz was the cat's meow.

(Mari) I thought this was unusual and very pretty, too, on Samantha. Agreed, I thought it was lovely, funny how *those-in-the-know* are panning it. I can't love Nicole's though, I just look at it and think "mermaid". And I keep thinking of floating stairs -- you know, the ones engineered to appear to have no visible means of support? Same thing. Definitely some engineering went on there.

(Karen) Dunno about that. Looks more like a dress designed by a committee. Somebody stuck a bow on it. Another added feathers. One wanted a straight line for the bodice; another wanted it to flare. A compromise dress, designed by committee. I must agree with this about Sandra's dress. Designed by a committee of people sitting in an office. (Barbs) I can't love Nicole's though, I just look at it and think "mermaid". And I keep thinking of floating stairs -- you know, the ones engineered to appear to have no visible means of support? Same thing. Definitely some engineering went on there. And must disagree here. I thought it was an exquisite dress on a great bod. Underwear optional. One thing about Uma is that it's a good feeling to see that those with all the money and all the stylists can still mess it up. It can only be a morale boost for the rest of the population. ;-)

Personally, I couldn't care less how rumpled Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh looked. I just have so much admiration for them. They have more important things to think about than the image they project. Their trilogy has taken spectacle, mythology and passionate film-making to a whole new level, and far from being tyrannical geniuses, they are beloved and respected by all who worked with them. They are who they are, and to me their realness adds to their charm. I can just imagine the criticism of Albert Einstein if he were to stroll down the Red Carpet, too.

(Ildi)Doesn't that affect one's skin? Strech and shrink..., one might be able to do that at twenty, but over thirty it must be a risky business. It must . .at 28 I'm harping at stretch marks on my thighs from ying yang weight loss! "Nipples covered?" Futterman insisted. Completely freaky . . . Old Hollywood glam some reporter called it . .it was beautiful!!! . .loved RZ & SJ,NK & JG . .couldn't stop thinking how handsome JD also looked with his hair cut;) . .oh so very love the vintage looks;)

Old guy, long frizzy hair, droopy mustache? Never heard of him.;-) They have more important things to think about than the image they project Image? I'm talking basic grooming. IMO, unless you're home sick in your bathrobe, there is no excuse for dirty, stringy hair and unkempt clothes. As my mom used to say, what does a bar of soap and a comb cost. Being neat and well groomed is not mutually exclusive with being "real."

People view the same thing and see something different. I didn't see any dirty, stringy-haired, unkempt man in need of a bath. I saw a rumpled (but clean) teddy bear of a man, uncomfortable in his tux but enjoying with his dear friends the triumphant end of a long six-year journey. For the fashion-conscious, he actually did put out what was a lot of effort for him - he wore shoes.

Slate: Lights, Camera, Action A post-Oscars reflection on the state of American acting. By Lee Siegel Lee Strasberg: always ready for his close-up The Oscars have come and gone, and the awards for best acting have been handed out. So now, after discussing Charlize's dress, and Diane's hat, and Johnny's hair, and Benicio's beard, it's time to talk about ... acting! It's time to talk about acting because acting as an art with a history of evolving styles�acting as a highly developed discipline that demands specialized training�almost never gets discussed. When it does you'll find vague references to the Method, the naturalistic style of acting imported from Russia into this country by Lee Strasberg and the Actors Studio in the 1940s, which changed American acting, and which, in one permutation or another, still dominates the teaching of American acting. But rarely is there mention of the fact that there were two antagonistic versions of the Method: Strasberg's emphasis on how actors should draw from their own experience to inhabit a character; and Stella Adler's insistence that actors must pay closer attention to the play's circumstances than to their own memories and emotions. Nor does anyone bother to observe that David Mamet has devised the only successful alternative to the Method, training his actors�William H. Macy, Rebecca Pidgeon, Lindsay Crouse, Joe Mantegna�i a style that consists of a high, though subtle, degree of deliberate artifice. No, the skill or lack thereof with which an actor inhabits a character on the silver screen usually gets cursory treatment: "So-and-so played Ted's father with exactly the right mixture of surprise and anxiety that one would expect to find in a 44-year-old tax lawyer who wakes up one morning and finds himself in the middle of a peasant revolt in 1282." Then it's on to the movie's themes, to its place in that particular director's work, to its relationship to other movies, etc. When critics do touch on acting, their discussion usually consists of a superficial comparison of an actor's portrayal of a fictional character to how that character would behave in real life if "he" or "she" were an actual person�and stops right there. The analogy would be a critic reviewing a Rembrandt retrospective and praising the paintings as having "figures that seem to have stepped right out of 17th-century Holland," while ignoring just what it is that makes them work in aesthetic terms: the balance of colors, the deftness of the brush, the technical and symbolic nature of Rembrandt's use of light and darkness. Writing in the New York Times two weeks ago, A.O. Scott, one of the most astute critics around, made the same omission when he asserted that we are now in a "golden age of screen acting." His evidence was that many of today's films are distinguished by "the dense, believable humanity of the people who inhabit the stories." What he didn't do was define what it is that makes a character on scree believable. Film criticism infrequently considers whether real life is a valid criterion for judgment. It almost never reflects on the possibility that what makes a performance memorable can be precisely what makes it not believable: i.e., the larger-than-life mannerisms and bits of business with which an actor will embellish a role. Critics praised Sean Penn for the realism of his "prison yard hunch" in his Oscar-winning performance of Jimmy Markum, the ex-con in Mystic River. But why are hunched shoulders the sign of having been in prison? How many reviewers are familiar with ex-cons? Penn's prison yard hunch is as much a fabrication as Marlon Brando's Godfather mumble, and probably just as far from reality. It represents our idea of something, not necessarily the thing itself. The Method's so-called naturalism mostly consists of the imaginative embellishment, which makes a star a star the way a trademark image or brushstroke establishes an abstract painter's reputation. Such embellishments are not the overblown thea rical gestures you find in a silent film like The Birth of a Nation (1915). But they are "made up." They are the imagined representations of what our intuition tells us would be plausible�regardless of whether anyone actually ever behaved like that. The question of representation brings us to the question of training and style. Some actors are trained in television; others in the theater; others in film itself. If you make "believability" the standard against which to judge an actor's performance, you have to address the fact that verisimilitude is better suited to television than to film, and that it is suited only to certain kinds of film. Helen Hunt, a wonderful TV actress, has not been able to flourish in film after her appearance in As Good as It Gets, and her frustration in that industry has a lot to do with her training and experience. TV actors always act more naturally in serious TV fare because television is a familiar, domestic medium; watched at home, in private, its function is to immediately connect with the viewer's ordinary expectations of human behavior. The most innovative shows on television�The Sopranos, Sex and the City, Curb Your Enthusiasm�are rightly celebrated for their closeness to the issues and conduct of everyday life. Go t a play, however, in which the actors come from the different backgrounds of television, film, and theater, and you'll see why careers made in one medium often don't translate to the other. Watching the recent production of Proof on Broadway with Len Cariou, a great stage actor, and Anne Heche, a great film actor, and several TV actors was like watching six psychotics, each of whom thinks he is Christ, in one room. No one related to anyone else. This is why few actors who have established themselves in TV roles truly make the transition to film. They have absorbed the small-scale verisimilitude of television too intractably. When a TV actor does make it to film, often the tool that helps him goes unmentioned: the Camera. For what really revolutionized American acting wasn't the Method's naturalism. It was the emphasis Strasberg placed on facial expression. Ironically, Strasberg, who hated what he considered Hollywood's commercial corruption of artistic values, is the man who trained two generations of American film actors, from Paul Newman to Al Pacino (Brando, in fact, studied under Stella Adler). Strasberg believed that the essential instrument of an actor's creative expression was the face, and the result of his doctrine was to send generations of stage actors running to the camera from the stage, thus transforming the static, glamorous close-up of Bette Davis' day�in which the actor's face was motionless and timeless, existing for a moment outside the storyline�to the busy, emotive, and strategically timed close-up of today, in which the face and the camera work together to create thematic meaning and push the story forward. On stage, the hardest thing for an actor to do is to keep the emotion on his or her face after s eaking the lines�the camera removes that hardship simply by moving off the face. The fact is that no one has ever surpassed the eerie naturalism of Brando in On the Waterfront (1954), or Paul Newman in The Hustler (1961). To the extent that acting does seem more real today, it's because the camera moves so fast off the face that it shaves off any sliver of inauthenticity. When certain actors win the Oscar for best acting, they should thank the Lens and the Viewfinder, not Mom and Dad. So, instead of talking about actors' clothes, or their hair, or their Oscar-night shticks and gaffes, it might be more meaningful if we started talking about acting as the demanding art form that it is. And that would mean, in part, distinguishing between movies where the actors act and movies where the camera does the acting for them. Lee Siegel is the television critic for the New Republic and a contributing editor to Harper's.

vis a vis - that rumpled look: The Washington Post -- ABC Cuts Off Oscar To Wear Ratings Ring - By Lisa de Moraes ...And, you have to admit, even 43 million viewers would be an incredible accomplishment for a four-hour broadcast that was monopolized by a fat, rumpled, dreary little man -- given that most people watch the Academy Awards to spend quality time gazing on beautiful, slender, glamorous and, at least superficially, interesting movie stars. We're speaking of "LOTR: ROTK" director Peter Jackson, who kept taking the stage to impress upon the star-strewn audience at the (film company name) Theatre in Hollywood, and viewers at home, how honored he was to clean up. You want to show the film academy how honored you really are, Mr. Jackson? Try running a comb through your hair. (It's official, I have turned into my mother.) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21212-2004Mar1.html

(Barbs) I can't love Nicole's though, I just look at it and think "mermaid". (Carol) I thought it was an exquisite dress on a great bod. Underwear optional. I thought the dress and her entire look (the hair) was marvelous, though wish I could see some close-up detail for the bottom of the dress. But I'd have to disagree about the bod. Having seen it in The Human Stain most recently, she's way too thin and has no figure whatsoever. It made me cringe. My ideal of a woman's body is not that of a 14-year-old boy. (Katty) I can just imagine the criticism of Albert Einstein if he were to stroll down the Red Carpet, too. Oh, was he there too? ;-) Equating Peter Jackson to Albert Einstein... Hmmm, the synapses of my brain have frozen up, just as they do when Tress compares Colin to Paris Hilton. ;-) (your secret is out) Great article(s), Mary. Thanks! So true. Watching the recent production of Proof on Broadway with Len Cariou, a great stage actor, and Anne Heche, a great film actor, and several TV actors was like watching six psychotics, each of whom thinks he is Christ, in one room. No one related to anyone else. I experienced the same thing for The Violet Hour, which I had seen here at the Steppenwolf and thought was brilliant, but on Broadway, it sucked. You had one stage actor and a few TV actors. They were not up to the material.

On last night's Tonight Show, Ross the intern's footage from the Vanity Fair party was shown. It ended with Ross and Scarlett J. He was going on and on about having met Oprah, and Scarlett said, "I've gone on vacation with Oprah (or similar)," and raised her eyebrow. It was cute.

"Fashion Police" last night on E!....hilarious. Joan Rivers: "Last night , the Oscars....today, reality. Back to rehab the unmarked bus picks them [actors] up at the door and wisks them off to Mexico". She is outrageous. But oddly enough I like her niche. This is fun...we're not talking nuclear proliferation here! Someone has to quit bowing down to these actors and make them feel they're more like gods than they think they are. Apparently Kate Winslet refused to be interviewed and now Joan refers to her as "The fat one from the Titanic"!

(Washington Post) Try running a comb through your hair. (It's official, I have turned into my mother.) LOL, Murph, thanks. I know *I* have turned into my mother, as evidenced by my soap and comb quote above. Jay Leno last night: "The only two people Peter Jackson didn't thank were his barber and his personal trainer. (Karen)"He was going on and on about having met Oprah, and Scarlett said, "I've gone on vacation with Oprah (or similar)," and raised her eyebrow. And how about Ross's reply to that? "Bitch!" I was ROTF.

From The Mirror today: BULL'S EYE ON A BABE SHE'S sexy, sassy and still sweet nineteen - so it's no wonder the Hollywood studs are all over Scarlett Johannson like a rash. Add to that the fact that she's also one of the movie industry's hottest properties and it's like a red rag to a bull. Or to one bull in particular - Benicio del Toro. The Latin hunk - whose name means Benny the Bull - was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for his role in 21 Grams, but lost out to Tim Robbins. But on Saturday night, before his big disappointment, the Latin stud was looking for some action - which he found in the arms of young Scarlett. Our spies caught the pair walking into the exclusive Chateau Marmont hotel on Sunset Boulevard at 3.30am with their arms wrapped around each other before getting into a lift to go somewhere a little more intimate. "They didn't care who saw them," says our source. "They walked through the hotel lobby where there were quite a few people hanging about and didn't seem at all embarrassed to be spotted with their arms all over each other. It was quite extraordinary. She looks so young and he could easily pass for her dad. "They then got into a lift together. At that time in the morning they couldn't have been heading to the hotel pool, put it like that. They were clearly going to the rooms. "You would have thought they'd want their beauty sleep as the ceremony took place later that afternoon, but clearly not." Puerto Rican Benicio, 37, apparently likes his ladies young. The sexy actor once smooched with British supermodel Sophie Dahl at a New York club when she wasn't much older than his newest squeeze. Lost In Translation star Scarlett who presented an Oscar at the ceremony has been likened to Marilyn Monroe and lived up to the comparison on Sunday night when she showed off her curvaceous figure in a 50s-style gown. When she arrived on the red carpet at the Kodak auditorium, last year's Best Actor winner Adrien Brody pounced on her, telling her how much he admired her work. Nice try, Adrien ... but not good enough to keep the Bull from the pastures.

(Mari) And how about Ross's reply to that? "Bitch!" I was ROTF. Oh yeah! Exactly! That's why I never tell jokes. Can't remember the punchlines. Which fashion mavens were criticizing Samantha Morton's dress? I hadn't seen any. In fact, I watched the rerun of Oprah's show last night and Isaac Mizrahi had her in the top 5. I think Nicole has been given Best Dressed Emeritus status now (except for the GG faux pas), making room for Jennifer Garner at the top.

(Karen)Which fashion mavens were criticizing Samantha Morton's dress? I hadn't seen any. In fact, I watched the rerun of Oprah's show last night and Isaac Mizrahi had her in the top 5. Joan and Melissa were just on The View and Joan said SM was her pick for best dressed. I didn't see E! last night so I don't know if she mentioned it there, as well.

I jotted down a bunch of comments on the Oscars in the Spring's movie conference (linked to porch). Angelia Jolie made the biggest impact on me, not just the sexy silk, nipple revealing dress. I just got the feeling that she's on a much bigger mission and had a lot to say but couldn't because she was only a presenter and not a winner. Sean Penn and Tim Robbins have stuff to say and they were winners. They just gave mealy mouthed acceptance speeches. Did anyone see Jon Stewarts take on this on the Daily Show? I think BarbS wants to put Peter Jackson on Queer Eye for the Straight guy for a makeover, but he looks more like he belongs on Survivor as a contestant. Peter Jackson is comfortable in a pair of long shorts and a t shirt and this may be the only time he ever dresses up (for award shows). Looking forward to the Hobbit movie. Slate makes a good point, they should post a sign in all Academy voters offices that says "It's the acting, stupid!" But back to the superficial. Julia Roberts looked stunning, she was a close second to Angelina for her dress. And she gives every guy hope, I mean, she married Lyle Lovett. Every guy thinks when they see her, "that could have been me. I had a shot!" Billy Crystal was terrific and he has unlimited potential for pulling off a surprise. He's like a master quarterback, making moves and drawing from material as the show unfolds. He draws from about a thousand jokes and pulls out 20 to 40 or so, like a quarterback does from his playbook. Did anyone see him make these comments on the Oscar version of the Baba Wawa special? I've still got it on tivo, the show. Maybe I'll add some time to the expire date. I kind of dozed off on the last half hour so I'll at least watch that again.

Slippage, sign of a happening topic!

(Karen)Which fashion mavens were criticizing Samantha Morton's dress? What I saw was in a People Magazine report, they have her listed (#2 after Diane K) as a "worst". Here's the comment: SAMANTHA MORTON: Best Actress nominee Morton shined in the understated film In America, but the same can't be said for the British star's turn on the red carpet. Morton's 1951 Givenchy silver-and-gold couture gown hid her petite frame under voluminous material.

(Evelyn)She is outrageous. But oddly enough I like her niche. This is fun...we're not talking nuclear proliferation here! Someone has to quit bowing down to these actors and make them feel they're more like gods than they think they are. Agreed! Well said, Evelyn. If I want to see/hear celeb fawning, I'll watch ET or AH. She dares to say what a lot of us viewers at home are thinking. Good for her. So she doesn't always do her homework in terms of the actors' work--big deal, that's not why she's there. As Julia Roberts told her the other night, "Joan, I could tell you I was nominated this year and you'd say Congratulations!"

(Linda)Joan and Melissa were just on The View and Joan said SM was her pick for best dressed. I didn't see E! last night so I don't know if she mentioned it there, as well. She mentioned it on E! News Live last night. On the Fashion Police show, Melissa and Jennifer Garner's stylist weren't as crazy about it as Joan because they said they didn't like the fit. However, one of the guys pointed out that while many celebs say they're wearing vintage, they really mean that it's from the '80s. Big deal, not true vintage, he sniffed, whereas Samantha's was--from '51, from an original collection and they are *not* about to alter that dress in any way (though he said they *might* for someone like Nicole). The thing is like a museum piece; Joan said on E! Live that it belonged in the Met.

(Karen) Hmmm, the synapses of my brain have frozen up, just as they do when Tress compares Colin to Paris Hilton. ;-) (your secret is out) LOL! Hey! That was in reference to self promotion...how some are pros and some take a sort of laissez-faire attitude toward it all...and now how you could just knock me down with a feather that a certain person is doing SNL when he has nothing to promote...except himself... (Evelyn) Someone has to quit bowing down to these actors and make them feel they're more like gods than they think they are. I watched Fashion Police too...but noticed how not one of their guests critqued the Rivers outfits! I think Joan looked like she was in a dressing gown from the 40s (or thought she was going to be coronated) and Missy looked like Sigmund (from Sigmund and the Sea Monsters for those who remember Sid and Marty Kroft). I say this as I sit in my jeans and sweater...LOL... (Linda) Joan and Melissa were just on The View and Joan said SM was her pick for best dressed. I didn't see E! last night so I don't know if she mentioned it there, as well. The guest fashionista on with Melissa and Joan said that the 'dress wore her' instead of the other way around. But said that she loved it...and that SM seemed to love it...'because, really, when are you ever going to be able to wear a 1951 Givenchy couture again'. I earlier said 1959, but was mistaken. The dress is 1951 and from their first couture show. Samantha was wearing history...very exciting for her and I was happy to see her do it! Anyway, that was the most negative thing I heard about the dress...and that's not too bad!

I missed it. Watch the Natalie Wood story. When I did change the channel all they were talking about was the men. They did spend a lot more time on them I guess. Overall, the dresses in those muted colors of "old Hollywood style" were predominant. Too many of them = not enough variety = boring. It has been more interesting in years past. Low on the bling bling too.

ere is one hopeful sign however

Sorry everyone was typing out article on fashions at Oscars, which was very amusing when I lost it! It's entitled "It's enough to make you long for Cher." It concludes "There is one hopeful sign however, amid all these butter-wouldn't melt, goody-goody pretty dresses. This year Uma thurman chose a bizare lace flamenco-milkmaid hybrid - white, but anything but demure and added a big blue sash for good measure. If that's a taste of looks to come, then perhaps things are looking up." Thanks for all the pics and comments posted, I really enjoyed them:-))

(Karen)But I'd have to disagree about the bod. Having seen it in The Human Stain most recently, she's way too thin and has no figure whatsoever. It made me cringe. My ideal of a woman's body is not that of a 14-year-old boy. Okay Nicole is thin but she's always been thin so I guess I accept it in her more than I do in people who have lost a lot of weight in the last few years of "thin is best" actors. I think she dresses for her bod. Maybe I'm just used to her in the same way I'm more used to RZ being as she is now rather than so very thin in Chicago. As for the bottom detail of Nicole's dress. The best descriptions I've received from those who actually saw it say that it was "shards" of silk chiffon sewn in layers with beading behind on the main dress. Each piece of chiffon was cut on the bias giving a wavy effect by slight stretching and was kind of triangular shaped with torn edges so that they floated over the beading.

Carol, you have friends that got that close for such fantastic details? Pray tell, the hermits from NZ? ;-) Details sounds lovely.

Think my favorite outfits are Jennifer Garner and Charlize....but.... Was trying to find just a close up of the bottom of Nicole's dress but was unsuccessful. Here is another look (thanks locarol for the description). I think she looks fantastic in this...hair and make-up v. nice too! And a closer look at the necklace...just love this, think it is beautiful:

(Tress)I think she looks fantastic in this...hair and make-up v. nice too! Thanks for the photos Tress, but what is keeping that dress up???

(Bee) ...but what is keeping that dress up??? Magic! CGI??? ;-D

(moon) Carol, you have friends that got that close for such fantastic details? Pray tell, the hermits from NZ? ;-) Work colleagues and friends. (Bee) ...but what is keeping that dress up??? Really good boning hidden in that side fold. Still....she wouldn't want to turn quickly as the dress may be left behind. ;-) Adore the necklace. I always think the ladies must hate sitting down - just think of the creases in silk etc. Nicole has a few across the front just from the sitting in the limo.

Only read a couple of posts from yesterday's Oscar comments, but here's a couple of mine... John Travolta.....I saw him exactly 4 weeks ago from 12 feet away and I will say that he either shampoos with Miracle Gro or he's a Chia actor. ;-) Favorite dress among many....Jennifer Garner. Best thing she's ever worn. Emphasized her femininity much better than past dresses. Loved seeing one of my other honeys....John Cusack. *sigh* I typed up a bunch of other comments last night thinking I'd have home internet soon, but it seems it will be later next week, so my comments will then be obsolete. :-(

(Tress) LOL! Hey! That was in reference to self promotion *hee hee* Yes, I know. But there are some concepts I have a hard time getting my mind around: Colin Firth and Paris Hilton or Peter Jackson and Albert Einstein. ;-) (Carol) Okay Nicole is thin but she's always been thin A number of the commentators mentioned that it looked like she'd lost more weight. (Dorine) Jennifer Garner. Best thing she's ever worn. Emphasized her femininity much better than past dresses. I have to agree and you've pinpointed it well. In the past, so many of her dresses have made her look like a female bodybuilder at a competition. thinking I'd have home internet soon, but it seems it will be later next week Awww, hang in there. We miss you.

Imdb has pics of all the award shows including Sundance. With 8 photos of "Trauma"event...all MS. http://imdb.com/features/rto/2004/photos Some films hosted parties....jeeze you wudda thought Little People, or whatever their name is, coulda at least given out cans of Miller lites.

Another Oscar note....see the obvious look of disappointment on Bill Murray's face when Sean Penn won? Saw Hidalgo (with Viggo Mortensen) on Sunday. Disappointing, IMO. Think the director told most of the main actors to act devoid of most, if not all, personality. Omar Sharif was a bit more expressive, but still dampened. Or be somewhat stereotypical (the evil ones). Uneven tone...is it a kid-ish adventure movie that has some adult appeal, or an adult movie that has some comic bits to appeal to kids? Plot holes. Think the story needed reworking to increase suspense and drama factor, but would still be appealing to a broad audience. Won't mention more, that's the general idea. It's enjoyable enough for some I'm sure, but the issues I had with it made it seem too long, too. Also saw a little Danish/UK production filmed in Scotland, Wilbur Wants to Kill Himself. Think it's the first Dogme film directed by a woman....or something significant like that. She was there to introduce the film. Cute film...melancholy and quirky. I found it morally ambivalent. Stars Shirley Henderson (Jude in BJD). And lastly.... Goodbye, Lenin! was a good German comedy with subtitles. (coming to you from friends office at NY City Opera. I feel like an internet vagabond. ;-))

(Lizza)It's entitled "It's enough to make you long for Cher." So true, Lizza. I also miss Demi Moore in her satin biker shorts, covered in black chiffon. Those were the days. Almost all of them have personal stylists now, so they don't make the awful mistakes they did in years past. Frankly, it's taken some of the fun out of it for me, but every do often a scruffy hobbit and his missus come along and the life of the fashion cop is once again worth living.;-) The guy on Joan R's Fashion Police show said Uma's dress looked like a collection of oregami placemats made out of Depends. Someone else called it a Maria von conTrapption!

(Dorine)(coming to you from friends office at NY City Opera. I feel like an internet vagabond. ;-)) Bravo! How resourceful!

...equating Peter Jackson to Albert Einstein Jackson and Einstein are/were very famous people with very messy hair. A contains X, and B contains X. That does NOT mean A equals B. But I understand where the critics are coming from. It's a lot more fun and amusing to cut people down and focus on the negative and the superficial. Whole industries thrive on this. But I'm obviously in the minority, so I'll shut up (as I duck the tomatoes).

(Katty) It's a lot more fun and amusing to cut people down and focus on the negative and the superficial. Peter Jackson is a fantastic filmmaker IMO. I didn't mean to be 'negative' of his talent. It's just that this is the red carpet. An event that others take the time and energy to get glammed up for...(It's the Superbowl of award shows, you can't afford a wardrobe malfunction). IMO, it just shows a respect for the event. And maybe some think it shouldn't be that way, but the reason I watch is to see Hollywood types look like...well....Hollywood types. I'm not a 'dresser' and live in jeans and t-shirts. It isn't like I don't understand the need to be comfy, but when you are on a red carpet, you're representin'. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, for me, watching at home, in my jeans, it is what the Oscars is all about....seeing who wears what. And I won't throw tomatoes...it's all good!

(Katty)It's a lot more fun and amusing to cut people down and focus on the negative IMO his 11 Oscars for 11 nominations have been noted and praised around here-in a positive manner, but sorry, his appearance was a negative and noted as well as some of the other fashion gaffes--and fashion home runs.

(Dorine)Also saw a little Danish/UK production filmed in Scotland, Wilbur Wants to Kill Himself. Ahh wanted to ask you if you had caught it . .was unable to make that screening due to appt up in Westchester that night . .is it something you think is worth spending $$ on to see in theatre . .or wait to see if gets on DVD in the future?

(Evelyn) Kate Winslet refused to be interviewed and now Joan refers to her as "The fat one from the Titanic"! Well, she did just have a baby recently, so if she has a little extra weight now, that's certainly understandable. But..... Saw Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind last night in class. Stars Jim Carrey, Kate Winslet, Tom Wilkinson, Mark Ruffalo, Kirsten Dunst. The latest Charlie Kaufman (Being John Malkovich, Adaptation) script. What a warped mind he has. Definitely his most complex yet. Can't say I liked it per se, though appreciated the complicatedness of it. It definitely helped to have a discussion with the 2 producers after...Steve Golin, Andrew Bregman. They said 90% of the script was filmed as written. Can't imagine trying to read it. I think it will open well on the names, but I can't imagine word of mouth will be great. It's by no means a linear story. Jack Foley, head of distribution of Focus Features, called it a "little sci-fi" movie. It's not in a strict sense. But some odd concepts. Very curious about the reviews. They are nervous about it, it seems. My point to mentioning this was I did pointedly notice during one scene how great Kate Winslet's legs looked and wondered how much running and weights I'd have to do to get those. ;-) Also, was opening night for this class term at a new theater down at NYU. The professor's 35th year of doing this class. State of the art. Had some interesting guests in the audience..friends of his there to support him....Cliff Robertson, Anne Meara and Jerry Stiller, Eli Wallach and his wife, Glenda Jackson, Joe Piscopo, Michael Imperioli (Sopranos). Also, a big Hollywood agent we had as a guest a few weeks ago and I think a producer that showed up on this week's Queer Eye to watch a play the "straight guy" had written.

(Dorine) "Saw Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind " Thanks for the report, Dorine. Coming to me in April at the Museum of Art. Sounds like a matinee movie; hold the martinis.

(Dorine)...how great Kate Winslet's legs looked and wondered how much running and weights I'd have to do to get those:-) None apparently Dorine! I have on good authority (close friend) who has seen her out and about recently a few times, its wheeling a trolley around a downmarket supermarket, and lolling about on the quayside ;-)) Maybe she does run along Brighton seafront as well! (Evelyn) hold the martinis Thought matinees was mimosas?

Dave Poland at Movie City News on the after Oscar bashes: "Gossip pages reported sex between Benicio del Toro and Scarlett Johansson, which would produce a gorgeous mocha baby with a voice so low and mumbly that it could only be heard by certain ancient animals in the Amazon."

Hmmmm. A little PI, IMO:-(((

On Sunday I went into some strange awards-show frenzy, and watched nothing but awards and pre-awards shows from afternoon until almost midnight. Tonight I finally had a chance to read all your comments, and they certainly were enjoyable! I think all of you should be hired to do the red-carpet commentary. Some of my favorites: (Beedee) Joan looks sorta Zsa Zsa and M looks like she's a channel on Cable I don't get:-/ ROTFLOL! You're spot on, Bee! (Moon) Sandra's Oscar della Renta is elegant and pure fun. Both very chic. (Karen)Dunno about that. Looks more like a dress designed by a committee. Somebody stuck a bow on it. Another added feathers. One wanted a straight line for the bodice; another wanted it to flare. A compromise dress, designed by committe. (Tress) Sandra looked nice...but I did like the top half better than the bottom of her dress...she kinda lost me after the little bow on her hip. LOL! The top was lovely... the bottom was most strange -- reminds me of something Ginger Rogers might have worn in one of her movies with Fred Astaire, but those dresses were designed to look good while being whirled around. In fact, in looking over all the pictures posted here, many dresses have strange touches at about the calf area. Must be a trend. (Mari) The guy on Joan R's Fashion Police show said Uma's dress looked like a collection of oregami placemats made out of Depends. Someone else called it a Maria von conTrapption! ROTFLMAO! What was she thinking, or what was the "designer" thinking?! I can't love Nicole's though, I just look at it and think "mermaid". And I keep thinking of floating stairs -- you know, the ones engineered to appear to have no visible means of support? Same thing. Definitely some engineering went on there. (Beedee) Thanks for the photos Tress, but what is keeping that dress up??? Super Glue? I never have cared for gowns that defy gravity -- they make me nervous (as if a Janet Jackson accident might occur any second). (Dorine) Jennifer Garner. Best thing she's ever worn. Emphasized her femininity much better than past dresses. (Karen) I have to agree and you've pinpointed it well. In the past, so many of her dresses have made her look like a female bodybuilder at a competition. Absolutely! She's a lovely lady, but sometimes she looks strangely mannish. The cut and color of her gown suited her perfectly. (Dorine) Another Oscar note....see the obvious look of disappointment on Bill Murray's face when Sean Penn won? I felt so bad for him. He was marvelous in LIT, and will probably never have such a fantastic role again. This was a tough year in the Best Actor category. Thanks for all the great comments and pictures!

reported sex between Benicio del Toro and Scarlett Johansson I'm sorry, but I don't find BdT the least bit sexy. And since SJ is still under legal age, isn't this stupid, risky behavior on his part?

(Deb) And since SJ is still under legal age, isn't this stupid, risky behavior on his part? She's nineteen now.....she can shag away. Am surprised at trampy behavior by the "It Girl" actually, thought she was a bit smarter than that, but I guess not (and two weeks ago I read she had 30, 31 year old boyfriend....?? Whatever happened to him?). Don't think Benicio is very good looking....but like his voice. All grumbly and such....still, don't think he's shag-worthy.

(Deb) And since SJ is still under legal age, isn't this stupid, risky behavior on his part? Deb, isn't legal age for sex 14 or something? At 19 Scarlett is sure old enough to roll in the hay with anybody. She is probably underage for drinking (which is sort of funny). I wonder why the media feels the need to report on people's sex life though. It's nobody's business really. Oh yeah, I forgot about the 'sensational' aspect of it. :-(

(Tress), Don't think Benicio is very good looking.... And he's competing with Peter Jackson with the slob look. I did read that they were all over each other at two parties and ended up in the hotel together. Has anyone seen the new ad for Cold Mountain? No wonder Renee keeps thanking Jon Carabino. I've never seen this done before. It is her picture holding the Oscar from that night.

You think maybe Scarlett has decided she likes wild-haired Byronic types?

That did cross my mind. Should Livia be worried? ;-)

These are my favorite pics of the day. Couldn't resist them.

(Tress), Don't think Benicio is very good looking.... I do.Love his voice. SJ and I have similar taste:-))) (Tress) Am surprised at trampy behavior by the "It Girl" actually, thought she was a bit smarter than that,... B-But SATC girls do it all the time;-D

(Evelyn) B-But SATC girls do it all the time;-D Yeah. And they are fictional characters (whose antics don't end up by the supermarket check out stand)! I guess what I meant was, don't care that she is shagging Benicio, but thought that with the Oscars going on....and every entertainment reporter and journalist on the planet watching her, she would be more discreet. Unless she likes her publicity that way. Ildi mentioned that it should be no ones business and I agree, but unfortunately that is what the media likes to report (they actually seem to live for the juicier tales). She's so young and talented, just don't want to see her go the way of (here ya go again Karen) Paris Hilton or similar.

(Tress), with the Oscars going on....and every entertainment reporter and journalist on the planet watching her, she would be more discreet. Exactly! Thy were acting that way at parties filled with photographers. Those two are not naive. Although, it makes for great gossip and it puts her relationship with Colin on another plane, IMO. (Karen), These are my favorite pics of the day. Couldn't resist them. Who are they?

That's Jamie Lynn Sigler (now Discala) and her husband (and former manager who is ten yrs older than her); she's the daughter on the Sopranos. He's quite the hunk and look at her hands!

My 21-year-old daughter thinks BdT is the sexiest thing on 2 legs. He may look awful in photos, but in interviews and onscreen he shows a genuineness, intelligence, and thoughtfulness that is both masculine and sweet. And under the scruffiness there's a combination of sparkle and smoulder that is apparently irresistable to a lot of women. Regarding Scarlett, we shouldn't take one reporter's gossip as fact. But whatever happened, anyone that adores Colin and vice versa is okay with me. (What does SATC mean?)

(Karen), These are my favorite pics of the day. Couldn't resist them. I can't see them...;-( I'm just getting the ol' boxes of death. Will have to look to see if they show up on home computer. (Evelyn) I do.Love his voice. Really like his voice...very low and throaty. Love it when he speaks Spanish too... Sometimes I think he looks good: Then other times he just scares me...and I can't get the scary images outta my head:

(Katty) My 21-year-old daughter thinks BdT is the sexiest thing on 2 legs. He may look awful in photos, but in interviews and onscreen he shows a genuineness, intelligence, and thoughtfulness that is both masculine and sweet. And under the scruffiness there's a combination of sparkle and smoulder that is apparently irresistable to a lot of women. Yeah! Let's hear it for latin men;-D Sex and the City.

Besides...even *if* the tabloid reports are true... They are both single....No one is getting hurt here. And why is the T-word (like in "tramp") used for SJ, and not for him;-) I'm telling ya'...Sexism Lives!

(Evelyn) And why is the T-word (like in "tramp") used for SJ, and not for him;-) Because men who do such things are referred to by other names, like dog, scum, cradle robber and others too numerous to mention. ;-) The salient point is that she's been seen with lots of guys from coast to coast. However, I haven't been following Benicio's exploits very closely or hers for that matter. May we please limit our discussion to our own opinions, i.e., those who are registered to post here. I am sure we all know others who have other views, but...once again...they are not members of this discussion group.

(Evelyn) And why is the T-word (like in "tramp") used for SJ, and not for him;-) I didn't call her a tramp...I said she was exhibiting trampy behavior (lots of nice girls act trampy occasionally). So was he...I guess I should have just said so...(but the word I use for 'he tramp' isn't probably allowed here). ;-) (Evelyn) Let's hear it for latin men;-D In celebration of Latin men (is Spain considered Latin? Am fuzzy there, but I'll post pic anyway...another voice that I love):

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Lots of reports in our press too about BT and SJ. There can be nothing less sexy than a man who looks so vitamin depleted and dehydrated;-((

No one talking about the Sopranos? Little Spoilers... Tony has turned into a weird, dark blimp of a man! Not sure I like the Melfi/Soprano turn of events. Did like the last shot outside in the dark, with cigar and gun, waiting for the bear. (Liked the bear too)

Scarlett J will be on the Craig Killborn show tonight. (12:30 p.m. EST) Wonder if he'll ask about the post-Oscar partying? http://www.cbs.com/latenight/latelate/guest/

Sorry, it's a rerun of Kilborn.

For those who like to see different versions: Catherine Deneuve plays a 1960s Madame in WE's "Dangerous Liaisons" BRIDGET BYRNE, For The Associated Press Monday, March 8, 2004 French star Catherine Deneuve falls back on her native language to describe the role she plays in WE's "Dangerous Liaisons." "A great amoureuse," says Deneuve, whose English is good but distinctively accented. She says that translates to "a woman in love with the idea of love ... really living for that." The role is Madame de Merteuil, the wealthy aristocrat whose sexual games and desire for revenge -- in collusion with her equally decadent part-time lover, Valmont -- ultimately destroy many lives, including her own. In this latest adaptation of the 18th century French classic, Rupert Everett stars as Valmont. Natassja Kinski plays Marie de Tourvel, the decent married woman ultimately seduced by Valmont. And Leelee Sobieski is the ingenue Cecile de Volanges, also a victim of the evil sophisticates. The four-hour miniseries airs March 15-16 (8 p.m. (ET). "Dangerous Liaisons," which never seems to go out of fashion, was adapted at least four times prior to the WE production: * A modernized 1959 French miniseries, directed by Roger Vadim, starred Jeanne Moreau, with Gerard Philipe as Valmont. * Stephen Frears' 1988 film featured Glenn Close, with John Malkovich as Valmont. * Milos Foreman's 1989 film version, "Valmont," starred Colin Firth in the title role and Annette Bening as de Merteuil. * Roger Kumble's 1999 "Cruel Intentions," a contemporary adaptation set among American prep school students, starred Sarah Michelle Gellar as a youthful Merteuil and Ryan Phillipe as her co-conspirator. WE's version takes place in early-1960s Paris, where high society still clings to hypocritical proprieties. Deneuve, 60, believes the "insouciance" of this era is an apt setting -- when "social rules were different, a lot of things were not possible, there was no contraception, less freedom for women." Judith Orlowski, vice president of acquisitions for WE, admits there's an escapist fascination with this oft-told tale, in whatever era it's set. "It's a story that totally makes sense for our audience. They love a miniseries. They love Deneuve ... you get to see incredibly attractive people in fabulous clothes in fabulous settings ... it's a little bit of eye candy," Orlowski says. In Hollywood to promote the miniseries, Deneuve used a reference to her character to discuss the risks of saying too much in media interviews. She noted that early in the movie, de Merteuil's voice-over muses how the only thing she really has control over are her thoughts. "That's been a classic theme from a lot of philosophers and authors," Deneuve said. "Everything you keep is your hostage, everything that you say is your slave ... It's true the more you say the more people know about you." Although she tries to protect her privacy, Deneuve doesn't object to interviewers "trying to pull things out of me." The actress does get upset, however, if something is written about her that hasn't been checked first hand. The daughter of actors, Deneuve first came to prominence playing the virtuous role in Vadim's 1962 movie "La Vice et la Vertu." She and Vadim had a son, Christian, who in the WE miniseries plays Edouard, de Tourvel's jilted husband. Deneuve's great beauty brought her to Hollywood's attention in the late '1960s, when she starred opposite Jack Lemmon in the romantic comedy "The April Fools." In 1993, she was nominated for an Oscar for her leading role in the epic love story "Indochine," which won the Foreign Language Oscar. From the very beginning, Deneuve was associated with innovative directors, including Jacques Demy ("The Umbrellas of Cherbourg"), Roman Polanski ("Repulsion"), Luis Bunuel ("Belle De Jour") and Francois Truffaut ("Le Deniere Metro"). And her risk-taking continues today. She recently costarred with Bjork in Lars von Trier's "Dancer in the Dark." In the upcoming "Marie Bonaparte," she plays the dictator's great grandniece, the woman who championed the work of psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud. Away from work, Deneuve grows classic strains of roses, and she even has a hybrid named after her. But she admits the flower's shape and pink color are "not really my favorite" and she wouldn't mind if someone named a new strain after her. "I especially think for someone who likes roses as much as I do, I deserve better."

This is clever - Link thanks to Green Cine Daily: The Passion of Curly

In the upcoming "Marie Bonaparte," she plays the dictator's great grandniece, the woman who championed the work of psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud. The dictator? Is that what the modern world calls emperors now? I'd sooner call Freud a dictator. ;-D Vive le Roi!

Another funny column by Joanne Scanlan about being in LA: http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1157577,00.html She mentions Peter Biskind and his books.

The dictator? Is that what the modern world calls emperors now? "Emperor" is what dictators call themselves!

Love the JS column!!!! . .ah an actress after my own heart . .have been debating the LA trip for pilot season myself . .haven't gotten the courage yet . .wonder if I did if i could meet hola lola and other Droolers?:)

From Dark Horizons: MI5 (aka. Spooks): Daytime actress Olga Sosnovska of ABC's "All My Children" will replace Keeley Hawes as the new female lead in the third season.

JS article diary too funny, Karen. I like this: "What really freaks me out is that they have all watched their screeners of Girl with a Pearl and appear to know us. Hope something comes of it...but doubt it 'cept for the leads. Also like the part of watching BBC America in US. When I'm in UK I run from American TV.

I get a plus-size beige thong and a jar of olives and he gets a computer game and a packet of Tylenol painkillers. Perfect end to a perfect day. February 4 I begin to acclimatise to the look of the older women in Beverly Hills. The surgery gives their faces a strange vulnerability, which instinctively makes me want to go get them a glass of water, kneel beside them and say, "Don't worry, it'll all be all right." LOL! My favorites! If the acting doesn't work she could be a writer. I'd look for her work.

Wow, she is a shoo in to get her own topic in 'babes'?

Slippage is good.

He's Hired! Donald Trump to Host 'SNL' NEW YORK - Real estate mogul Donald Trump will take over "Saturday Night Live" on April 3, NBC announced Wednesday. NBC's "The Apprentice" features Trump and contestants vying to work for him. Trump also serves as executive producer with Mark Burnett ("Survivor").

Apparently, the Americanized version of Touching Evil has Americanized the female lead's part. :-( Creegan lands at the special crimes unit, where he's paired up with the usual sultry femme partner (Vera Farmiga, last seen looking more model- than cop-like in NBC's "UC Undercover")....Buoyed by a strong supporting cast, "Evil" lopes along well enough before a rather flat ending. Donovan possesses a certain amount of charisma--mixing goofball behavior with a dark streak, in a Mel Gibson-in-"Lethal Weapon" sort of way0--and Farmiga pensively pouts just fine, which is about all she has to do in a thankless role. Proving again, it isn't possible to be a normal, average looking woman on TV. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1946&ncid=1990&e=6&u=/variety/20040311/va_re_al/touching_evil

(Karen)He's Hired! Donald Trump to Host 'SNL' I don't think I'll be in line at 4;30 for this one, but I'd love to take a tour and see him rehearse. I bet he'll do a good job.

Linda ..and see him rehearse One to keep your eyes closed for tho', no delicious eye candy like last weekend:-))

I can't think of anything of Carrie's that I'd want, but... New Yorkers Shop for 'Sex and the City' Castoffs By Michele Gershberg (Reuters) When sex is over, there's always shopping. On Thursday, hundreds of women lined up outside a New York consignment shop, clamoring for castoff clothes from the trendsetting TV show "Sex and the City," which ended last month after a successful, haute couture-drenched, six-season run. Well-heeled professionals and working girls skipped out on their jobs to buy some of the garments of the show's foursome--Carrie, Samantha, Charlotte and Miranda--whose romantic escapades made it seem sexy to be over 30 and single. "We had people offering us $1,000 to come and shop the night before," said Ina, owner of the downtown shop that bears her name. Many of the show's signature outfits, from top designers few women could afford, have already been claimed by cast members. Other chic pieces were auctioned by cable network HBO for the actresses' favorite charities. That did not deter self-confessed addicts from pawing through racks and bins of leftovers, hoping the aura of sexual adventure and outlandish couture would rub off on them. "I'm in heaven. I'm just beside myself," gushed Chris Robillard, 31, as she triumphantly held up a pair of red-beaded strappy heels stuck with a $275 price tag. "These really signify the show for me," she said. "I know they're Samantha's because I checked her size before I came." A black sequined Chanel minidress was the priciest item at $5,000, while a pair of red silk hot pants was billed at $70. Many items were purchased by the show's costumers but never used, and Carrie's beloved Manolo Blahnik stilettos were nowhere to be seen. [Ed note: I heard her say she got to keep them all.] Ladies who could not fit into the size "2" worn by actress Sarah Jessica Parker (news), who played Carrie, said they would be happy with a memento, or might resell an item online at online auctioneer eBay. "It makes me laugh a little," said Karen Kim, 28, juggling seven garments, including a gray silk skirt with a trailing hem. "Women try to pick up cues from the show on how to dress and it doesn't always work. You end up being a lemming." For die-hard collectors, several pieces carried a snapshot of the scene in which they were worn, or tags with written instructions by costumers, like a pink slip nightie Carrie donned during a late rendezvous with her Russian lover, Aleksandr Petrovsky, played by Mikhail Baryshnikov. "I got Carrie's hot pants!" crowed Rene Ortega, brandishing the shiny pink trousers she insisted Parker wore in a favorite episode. "I've got no spending limit. This is a once-in-a-lifetime deal."

"I got Carrie's hot pants!" Whatever rocks your boat. Doesn't do a thing for me. But if there's ever a sale for a certain Englishman's cast-offs, well that's a whole different matter. Can you imagine the frenzy???

I wish I would have known . .since I was in the city yesterday . .I couldn't have bought . .no way can I pay for stuff like that on an actors salary . .but would have been interesting to see what was on sale;) Deb - Ah since that sale isn't happening . .our keeps list is a nice highlight of what could be:)

Val Kilmer on Charlie Rose at the moment. Looks better than the other night. He has a family? He mentioned how important they are to him. Didn't someone say he had ragged out looking chirpies with him? Maybe his wife, assuming he has one? Didn't get around to mentioning earlier that I saw Secret Window (with Johnny Depp) in class the other night. David Koepp, screenwriter/director (and co-writer of Apt Zero) was the guest. Very down to earth and funny. Got to ask a couple of questions. Was scanning audience as soon as I heard he was guest....he's still friends with ODB from what I can tell. Wasn't sure he was still in town, but didn't hurt to scan, though couldn't appear uninterested. It's supposed to be a thriller, but I found it to be thriller-lite. Found it too amusing (thanks to JD) to be scary or overly thrilling. Also found it rather predictable. Great cast though. Johnny Depp definitely made that movie. DK said JD was his first choice and the studio wasn't overly excited over that choice. They started filming just before POTC came out and when it did well, the studio says, " Aren't you glad we insisted you get JD?" Typical. ;-)

(Dorine Didn't someone say he had ragged out looking chirpies with him? Maybe his wife, assuming he has one? It wasn't me, but several chirpies left with him. Jeffrey Lyons gave SW a v. lukewarm review. He said to go see any other movie playing in the theater next door. He said the film used too many of the over-used Stephen King special effects. (Dorine)Wasn't sure he was still in town, Wonder if hair lady knows?;-)