PLEASE SIR, I WANT SOME MORE... (Chey) I keep hoping that I will see something I missed, or that there will be a whole lot of scenes that weren't there, like the wedding night for instance. I just want there to be MORE of their relationship. Can't we BEG Andrew Davis to write more, with our guidence or course! :) Much as I love P&P2, I will never forgive Andrew Davies for leaving out the most juicy parts...not only between L&D, I would have really loved to see Mrs. Bennet lose her mind over L&D's engagement. A QUESTION OF POSITION (Margaret) And, for the record, let me state emphatically that I very much appreciated the scenes where CF makes love in a sitting position. However, it's not usual to make love that way Well...I dunno ;-p and I found it odd that it occurred in more than one movie!;-) I think that maybe it is more flattering to the male involved. Didn't Colin make a comment something like, "who wants to see bums moving up and down"? LOL! Let's take a vote--just raiser your hands ladies ;-p (Karen) his face is perfectly expressing a "near-out-of-body" experience!!! He almost seems to be mouthing "oh....stop." Oh, gee, I wonder what she is doing???? Maybe this belongs on the "promiscuity" board. Oh honey, regardless of what any one says, this is the promiscuity board! LOL! Yes, his face is looking mighty convincing in that scene. However, the little shot when they land on the floor and you see his little blue underwear, ruins the mood for me. ;-( (I had to get that in somewhere Renate!) PANTS (Alicia) In P&P, I thought he looked best at Pemberley when he's in the outfit he changed into right after the pond scene and runs down to meet Elizabeth. Agreed! But I really think that those boots (yes Margaret, THOSE boots) make that whole outfit. Gives him legs like a comic book hero! LOL! RENATE'S GAME (Karen) Definitely, a boyish look and both are pretty lean in the leg department. Are they interchangeable though? Oh no, I don't think so. Not really, KC was ok as Robin Hood (wouldn't wear tights though) and IMHO he can't do period English roles; I mean, could you see him as Darcy. Never. In fact I don't think he was a very good Robin Hood either. Not a very convincing accent a'tall.... However, there is an undercurrent of sensuality beneath those boyishly good looks. Oooh good line Karen. That about sums it up. OLIVIER (Karen) I will never be disgusted by LO's portrayal of Darcy--despite the script!! Signed a "loyal lord larryite." :-D It's not his portrayal that upsets me, it's the mutilated script. I have nothing but good things to say about the excellent LO's performance--it's not his fault that Darcy was a little too cheerful in the script. FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT (nan) whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. (Karen)Oh, my!!!! And I thought I was the only one who noticed that switcheroo, but was too ladylike to bring it up. Pffft!! ;-p Since it's up, I mean the topic can't be kept under wraps anymore, I didn't think men did this? It is one side or the other? Not always if I understand correctly ;-) From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. I would vote for the left too, but I think there are those at RoP who decided on the right. I'd have to watch the whole thing over and take notes if I were to be completely accurate (oh damn!) ;-D (Renate) Oh, do you, indeed? I second that statement. And Joe Prince apparently did, too. :-)) What I like about that scene and the oft-mentioned dance in the market is the way he's always playing with her hair. *BIG SIGH* ;-) RENATE'S GAME (Karen)KC was ok as Robin Hood (wouldn't wear tights though) and IMHO he can't do period English roles (Renate) He was just ok, (Loved Rickman!) Agreed. KC (love him though I might) was just okay and Rickman was great! (Renate) Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. Me either. I wonder why that is? I really liked your Athos idea--that I have no problem seeing Colin do very well. But Robin Hood...nope. OLIVIER (Karen) (I still think his is the best--I can't countenance RF's mean mad Heathcliff) (Renate) His hair, Louisa, his hair! Sorry Rafe. LOL!! :-D Unfortunately, this is very true. FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (nan) whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. (Karen)Since it's up, I mean the topic can't be kept under wraps anymore, I didn't think men did this? It is one side or the other? ........ From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. (Renate) For they did not wear underpants in those times, but long shirts which tails they wore between the legs ... and probably used to show off (But never Mr Darcy!). Stuffing? Darcy? ;-D BTW, a statistic: only 20% of men prefer the left side, and 80% right, or was it the other way round? I believe you've left out the middle men dear ;-p THE CUP AND SAUCER (Renate) Do you mean the growing facial hair with "five o'clock shadow"? Another hint that he is rather dark. Has anyone ever checked if - oh, I not ask here - check myself. Means Playmaker and HOTP, again. Alas. :-)) You'd have better luck checking "The Advocate" I think. Bathing scene, sittign down with a towel loosely draped over his thigh. I think you'll find what you're looking for there--I did ;-D

Karen R: From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. Could you be more explicit as to which scenes you've seen him dressed to the left? I've only noticed "the right", and I must know. - I am excessively attentive to all those things. Regarding the 20%-80% breakdown between men who dress to the left vs. the right, wouldn't it have to do with being right-handed vs. left-handed? I'd guess dressing to the left would be easier for a right-handed person. Nan, where is that thread on dressing to the right vs. left? I came across a mention of it in the last few days of RofP's P&P, but it was only alluded to and didn't catch their drift (like I do now!) I thought that the "vest-thingie" might be that little strap that hangs down from something under the vest on the men's front right. Is it a watch? And, not to be crude, but when Darcy is coming down the stairs of Netherfield just before giving Bingley his "approval" in B's marrying Jane, well, just what is in there, anyway? I mean, it's not like it's an appropriate moment or something.

BOOTS (Nan)Agreed! But I really think that those boots (yes Margaret, THOSE boots) make that whole outfit. Gives him legs like a comic book hero! LOL! Oh yes! The BOOTS!! How could I forget them? They really emphasize that he's got a fine pair of legs. PLEASE SIR, I WANT SOME MORE... (Chey) I keep hoping that I will see something I missed, or that there will be a whole lot of scenes that weren't there, like the wedding night for instance. I just want there to be MORE of their relationship. Can't we BEG Andrew Davis to write more, with our guidence or course! :) (Nan)Much as I love P&P2, I will never forgive Andrew Davies for leaving out the most juicy parts...not only between L&D, I would have really loved to see Mrs. Bennet lose her mind over L&D's engagement. These missing scenes were discussed at RoP recently. What I really wanted to see was Elizabeth struggling with her new-found appreciation of Darcy. In the book, after the Lydia fiasco is over, and Bingley and Darcy come back to Netherfield, both men are invited to Longbourn (I think) for dinner. Elizabeth is trying to make eye contact with him and even get a moment's conversation with him but the ladies and the men were split into separte parties. I would have loved to see that in the A&E miniseries. It c rtainly would shown that that the tables were turned by the end of the book. Plus, it would have meant more CF scenes! Can you just imagine all the sexual tension going on if Andrew Davies did include that scene? (sigh, oh well) Nothing's perfect. Good night everyone, Alicia

COLIN QUOTES - THE SEQUEL Lovely to see that more droolies are making it to the spring! I promised ages ago to carry on with selections of Colin quotes from his FP interview fest. If you've read them before, just tell me to stop being so BORING!!!! Okay, from the Radio Times, all very serious stuff! He's usually sounds very friendly and funny but I think the interviewer was asking the wrong questions! His level headed approach is probably genetic, with grandparents who were missionaries in India and parents who are both academics. "It never occurred to me to act until my teens when I was part of an amateur group. My parents were a little alarmed because it was uncharted territory. They assumed it was a pipe dream and an excuse to turn my back on academic responsibilities. They were absolutely right...I wasn't expecting success and it took me very much by surprise (ACCLAIM FOR STAGE PERFORMANCE IN AC).. (ON GOING TO BRITISH COLUMBIA WITH MT) "I didn't make a conscious decision to leave England..I felt I was cutting off but that was fine by me. There's a side which perpetually wants to withdraw from the arena for a while." He dislikes talking about his private life and says pointedly that he choose to talk to people who won't ask about it "I've had reporters outside my house and found it surprisingly uncomfortable". (THE INTERVIEWER THEN ASKS HIM ABOUT LIVIA} " She's studying English in Rome. By the way she's not 22 or 19 as as been written. The implication that I go round with a bimbo on my arm is not correct. That sort of publicity presents even more of a challenge in a job where it's already difficult to have a steady relationship." (RATHER TERSE AND DARCYISH!) (HE'S THEN ASKED ABOUT JENNIFER AND LOCATION ROMANCE - PERSISTENT INTERVIEWER!) "It wasn't just a location romance. It continued for a year. I don't wish to imply that my idea of a steady relationship is one which lasts just for a year - but these things only happen when I'm single and it's appropriate. I have never found myself leaving one relationship for another. Acting is not very nice when it affects your personal life or you're being slagged off." Enough for now..strict rations! THE CUP AND SAUCER (Nan) You'd better check The Advocate .. You'll find what you're looking for there..I did! Talk about close studies, or am I missing the point here? Continuing on a downward tangent, one scene which really repays close scrutiny is the second shower scene in Nan's favourite movie. Am I the only one who has noticed? Or it may be that I'm more keen eyed through frosted glass and know where to look (not so much left or right, more centre!).Or it may be that you ladies are just TOO well-bred to bring it up! OLIVIER I'm in no way detracting from his marvellous performances - but what a portfolio of THE best roles for an actor - Hamlet, Henry V, Darcy, Heathcliffe and Max de Winter. Would love to see CF in another really choice role (but not Heathcliffe!)

THE CUP AND SAUCER (Nan) You'd better check The Advocate .. You'll find what you're looking for there..I did! (Bethan) Talk about close studies, or am I missing the point here? No, I think you've got it ;-) Continuing on a downward tangent, one scene which really repays close scrutiny is the second shower scene in Nan's favourite movie. Am I the only one who has noticed? Hmmm...noticed what? Or it may be that I'm more keen eyed through frosted glass and know where to look (not so much left or right, more centre!).Or it may be that you ladies are just TOO well-bred to bring it up! I'd be most happy to bring it up if I noticed it (Somehow that sentence didn't come out quite they way I'd planned ;-p) I think you must be really gifted at seeing through the frosted glass, because much as I try, I never see anything that interests me very much. Oh, okay...I'll go home and look again...;-p OLD THREADS (Claudia) Nan, where is that thread on dressing to the right vs. left? I came across a mention of it in the last few days of RofP's P&P, but it was only alluded to and didn't catch their drift (like I do now!) I have seen the topic slyly mentioned at RoP now and again, but the old thread ? I don't know. I remember reading it months ago when I first found the Spring. In fact, I think it was on the old Colin topic which mysteriously vanished last August. If that's true then it is gone forever I'm afraid ;-( No matter, you get the gist. I think we've covered the issue as well as possible--and a lot less delicately I imagine ;-p So, on to other things... MOVIELINE MAGAZINE There is a lovely photo of Colin in the above-mentioned magazine (November 97 issue). He's dressed in all black and is decidedly cheerful. Lots of dark curls too. :-.) There is a nice little article as well in which Colin mentions ATA and some other things. Someday when I finally get the scanner working I will be able to slap the photos right here. But until that day comes I shall have to point you to your local magazine shop. Sorry ladies.

FUTURE PROJECTS I'm in the dark. Can someone tell me what CF will be in the near future? Is he working on anything now?

RENATE'S GAME (Renate) But back to Colin. Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. What part of him can you not see in that role? He can be dashing. He can wear tights or no tights (and it would have been his backside we saw at the bathing scene not a body double). We've seen him shoot an arrow (Valmont), ride horses, duel; everything and anything required physically for this role. Oh yet, he would have made a wonderful Robin Hood. Too bad there was another TV version at the same time with Patrick Bergin (I think). It seems highly doubtful that anyone would want to do another ver ion for quite a while. (Renate)KC is so quintessential American...And, speaking of "Undercurrents", he reminds me a bit of Robert Mitchum, another one of these quiet, low-key actors. The usual comparison is with Gary Cooper. Mitchum is way too much of a tough guy type. Coop was a good old American hero. He was extraordinarily good looking in his 30s. OLIVIER (Renate) Imagined [CF]in every LO role, in particular as Maxim de Winter, imagined him playing LO's life. Oh, I think you've got it!! CF playing LO. Now, who is going to adapt his autobiography?? I'd volunteer to play Vivien Leigh. FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Renate)...what we see is just the shirt not properly tucked in... . For they did not wear underpants in those times, but long shirts which tails they wore between the legs ... and probably used to show off LOL!!! Disguise.... I read that article too about the use of shirt tails, but I prefer to think it was all CF (check him out in the saddle before he jumps in the pond). BTW, I think your statistics are reversed. Based on my own statistical sampling :-)) (nan) I believe you've left out the middle men dear ;-p Do you mean those guys who are just hanging around? ;-p CAREER AND FAME (Renate) [re: taking off his clothes] ATA, too? Just see the top half after his assignation with Jessica Lange at the dump. (Renate) ...Jeremy Irons...Wasn't he in 'Die Hard with a Vengance', too? Sorry, I realized that I had the wrong series of action flicks when I got home. Of course, it was Die Hard with a Vengance, where JI played Alan Rickman's brother. If Bruce Willis likes classic British actors to play bad guys, may be there's hope for CF in the next Die Hard!!! MAKE UP (Renate) I think he has natural curls, at least wavy His hair looked pretty straight and strawberry blondish to me in "Another Country" and "A Month in the Country." (Renate) and there is reason to believe that he considers himself to be dark-haired. He should know. Considers or is???? (Renate) ...facial hair with "five o'clock shadow"? Another hint that he is rather dark. Has anyone ever checked if - oh, I not ask here - check myself. Means Playmaker and HOTP, again. Alas. :-)) Based on chest hair and armpits (sorry to be so crude), I'm voting on light, kind of in the strawberry blond category . But then again, maybe I should adjust the color setting of my TV!!! CUP AND SAUCER (nan) You'd have better luck checking "The Advocate" I think. Bathing scene, sitting down with a towel loosely draped over his thigh. I think you'll find what you're looking for there--I did ;-D Question: Are there European versions of these movies, where more is revealed? Or am I just blind???? And what movie has a shower scene?? A QUESTION OF POSITION (nan) However, the little shot when they land on the floor and you see his little blue underwear, ruins the mood for me. ;-( (I had to get that in somewhere Renate!) Oh no!!! I didn't see that. Of course, I know that actors are usually clothed when they do those types of scenes, but deep down inside I want to believe otherwise!! COLIN QUOTES - THE SEQUEL (lizbeth) THE INTERVIEWER THEN ASKS HIM ABOUT LIVIA}...The implication that I go round with a bimbo on my arm is not correct. LOL!!! It would appear he uses his movie sets as a dating service. I mean, where did he meet the bimbo--uh, I mean, his wife. Why, on the set of Nostromo where she was employed as a gopher. Gee, why on earth would he use the term "bimbo"? If it walks like a duck....

Wot?!

The last one was a test. Thought the Count dropped in again. A QUESTION OF POSITION (Karen) his face is perfectly expressing a "near-out-of-body" experience!!! He almost seems to be mouthing "oh....stop." Oh, gee, I wonder what she is doing???? Maybe this belongs on the "promiscuity" board. (Nan) Oh honey, regardless of what any one says, this is the promiscuity board! AHHH! That's why! (Nan) .... and you see his little blue underwear, ruins the mood for me. ;-( (I had to get that in somewhere Renate!) Ja, ja, I know.... just wait until FP, and you will be a sucker for his underpants! :-)) FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / A COMPILATION AND A THESIS (Claudia) Regarding the 20%-80% breakdown between men who dress to the left vs. the right, wouldn't it have to do with being right-handed vs. left-handed? I'd guess dressing to the left would be easier for a right-handed person. (Claudia) Could you be more explicit as to which scenes you've seen him dressed to the left? I've only noticed "the right", and I must know. - I am excessively attentive to all those things. LOL! I'm not sure, but try the beginning of the second proposal scene. I'm usually completely hypnotised, and only recover to focus on the faces and dialogues and when they approach so far that the camera only shows the upper bodies. (Karen) From what I've seen, he usually dresses to the left (his left), except after leaving Pemberley for London. (Nan) I would vote for the left too, but I think there are those at RoP who decided on the right. I'd have to watch the whole thing over and take notes if I were to be completely accurate (oh damn!) ;-D (nan) whether Darcy "dresses" more often to the left or the right. (Karen)Oh, my!!!! And I thought I was the only one who noticed that switcheroo, but was too ladylike to bring it up. (Nan) Pffft!! ;-p Love it! (Karen) Since it's up, I mean the topic can't be kept under wraps anymore, I didn't think men did this? It is one side or the other? (Nan) Not always if I understand correctly ;-) Since there is apparently such a great need for an explanation I have been doing a bit of thinking on this topic, and I have a new theory: what if it is not a matter of left/right, but a relative size (sic!), such as the compass directions, or the sun-dial kind, or more maritime: lee-side resp. weather-side (my fav)? That would explain the change of sides best. But, if this theory does not hold, it can't be helped: We will have to call in expert's advice. Should we post this question to the gentlemen at R P? :-)=) RENATE'S GAME (Renate) Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. (Nan) Me either. I wonder why that is? I really liked your Athos idea--that I have no problem seeing Colin do very well. But Robin Hood...nope. Apparently we see something more aristocratic in him. And he has not yet made any action movie, I suppose that is why we can't see him in this kind of role. But just think. Buckskin breeches (no tights!!!), leather outfit, wild hair, racing around on a horse, meet Little John and take a bath in the river, writing letters to Maid Marian.... DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Nan) You'd have better luck checking "The Advocate" I think. ...........you'll find what you're looking for there--I did ;-D Can't you be more specific - I don't remember, and don't owe the Advocate (here: Hour of the Pig) - but seems to be time to rent it again. BTW, the staff at my Video store invariably keeps on pointing out that I have had this or that film before - they just don't get it that there are people who watch the same films over and over! THINGIES (Claudia) I thought that the "vest-thingie" might be that little strap that hangs down from something under the vest on the men's front right. Is it a watch? That thingie you mention must be The Infamous Watch and Fob, Arami's Keepsake. And, yes, it has a story of it's own, AND an essay..... Just want to seize the opportunity to remind that there's still the Keepsake Essay Contest pending.... I am still thinking on "What the Mirror saw" :-)) (Claudia) And, not to be crude, but when Darcy is coming down the stairs of Netherfield just before giving Bingley his "approval" in B's marrying Jane, well, just what is in there, anyway? I mean, it's not like it's an appropriate moment or something. Do you mean the "Then go to it!" scene? :-)) COLIN QUOTES - THE SEQUEL Enough for now..strict rations! Ooooh. 8-/ Moooooore pleeeeease! MOVIELINE MAGAZINE (Nan) Someday when I finally get the scanner working I will be able to slap the photos right here. Does this mean you *have* already a scanner? Wow! FUTURE PROJECTS (Alicia) I'm in the dark. Can someone tell me what CF will be in the near future? Himself, I hope, and happy. ;-)) Is he working on anything now? Presently he is working in Southern France on "The Secret Laughter of Women" opposite Nia Long. And his latest production is still not yet out: 'World of Moss' aka 'My Life so Far'. You can find an entry on IMDb. Presently scheduled for the US for Autumn 98!!! RENATE'S GAME (Renate) But back to Colin. Would he have made a better Robin Hood? Silly question, surely he would. But somehow, strangely, I cannot see him in that role. What part of him can you not see in that role? The one he does not show.... :-)) (Karen) The usual comparison is with Gary Cooper. Mitchum is way too much of a tough guy type. Coop was a good old American hero. He was extraordinarily good looking in his 30s. All the time I say he should make a Western! Directed by Clint Eastwood. MAKE UP (Renate) I think he has natural curls, at least wavy (Karen) His hair looked pretty straight and strawberry blondish to me in "Another Country" and "A Month in the Country." Since then he has played a lot of wavy, curly, dark haired characters. (Renate) and there is reason to believe that he considers himself to be dark-haired. He should know. Considers or is???? The quote is not soo clear. Try to get the Movieline issue Nan wrote about. (Karen) ....., I'm voting on light, kind of in the strawberry blond category . But then again, maybe I should adjust the color setting of my TV!!! Probably I should take out some contrast? His skin does not seem to be the strawberry blond type with reddish freckles. And in Hostages which I checked yesterday, his chest hair was dark. But the prison was, too. So much depends on the light. You never know. Film making is make believe. CUP AND SAUCER - SAUCIER (Karen) Question: Are there European versions of these movies, where more is revealed? Or am I just blind???? There aretwo different versions, The Advocate for the Americans, and The Hour of the Pig for the adult rest of the world ;-)) But Nan refers to, I believe, the censored version. But HOTP does not reveal anything sensational. Unfortunately. And what movie has a shower scene?? Playmaker has two.

FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / A COMPILATION AND A THESIS (Claudia) Regarding the 20%-80% breakdown between men who dress to the left vs. the right, wouldn't it have to do with being right-handed vs. left-handed? I'd guess dressing to the left would be easier for a right-handed person. That was my thought too. It must have something to do with being right or left handed. From various scenes in the movies, CF is right-handed (quite unusual because there are a disproportionate number of actors who are left-handed, i.e., more creative). Therefore, he would dress to his left. (Claudia) Could you be more explicit as to which scenes you've seen him dressed to the left? I've only noticed "the right", and I must know. - I am excessively attentive to all those things. Yes, when it's on the right, it does seem more noticeable. Other than in the saddle before he jumps in the pond, I can't cite chapter and verse, but it is evident that he is dressing to his left in most all the scenes prior to walking the streets of London in search of Wickham. (How appropriate to bring him in during this lewd and crude discussion.) RENATE'S GAME (Renate) Would he have made a better Robin Hood?...I cannot see him in that role....Apparently we see something more aristocratic in him. And he has not yet made any action movie. I don't think he sees himself as aristocratic in anyway. Didn't he make the remark in Vogue that he wasn't one of those "Brideshead" Brits?? When you see him, Renate, as Jess Clark--farmboy, then you may change your view. But just think. Buckskin breeches (no tights!!!), leather outfit, wild hair, racing around on a horse, meet Little John and take a bath in the river, writing letters to Maid Marian.... Yes, I can see it and I want it (to paraphrase Meggie Cleary). (Renate) All the time I say he should make a Western! Directed by Clint Eastwood. Urghhhhhh. Then he wouldn't have an accent. It is so rare to find an English cowboy. Besides, I've never particularly liked Clint. I could never get over his treatment of women in his early films and in his personal life. RICKMAN ALERT I realize this is not the right drool topic, but several of you have expressed some "appreciation" for him, so I just thought I'd mention that tonight they are screening a film he directed called "The Winter Guest." Many times the directors will show up, answer questions, etc. I waited too long to get my tickets to the film festival and this one, which is only being screened once, sold out quickly. I did buy a ticket for another being shown at the same time. So I will either keep my eyes open for him r try to get in to the other theater.

(Renate) All the time I say he should make a Western! Directed by Clint Eastwood. (KarenR) Urghhhhhh. Then he wouldn't have an accent. It is so rare to find an English cowboy. Not exactly the right drool topic for this, either, but how about Errol Flynn? He made Westerns, and they only took time to explain away the accent in the first. Of course, back in those days they had Humphrey Bogart playing an Indian, too. Maybe I should start a topic on Dead Guys Drool. Old movie stars like Flynn, Jimmy Stewart and Jimmy Cagney make my heart go pitter-pat. Always have. Not that Mr. Firth doesn't make many parts of me do many different things.

MAKE UP (Renate) I think he has natural curls, at least wavy ...and there is reason to believe that he considers himself to be dark-haired. He should know. ...facial hair with "five o'clock shadow"? Another hint that he is rather dark. The quote [considers himself to be dark-haired] is not soo clear. Try to get the Movieline issue Nan wrote about. Well, I did. I can't believe that I actually purchased a magazine like thatd!! I haven't done anything like that since I was probably 14 or 15!! My, oh my, did you say wavy??? It's practically Shirley Temple-like!! Guess it was just the modern-day miracle of blowdrying it straight. As for the color, it does look dark...kind of auburnish. What is it with this guy?? What color hair do his siblings have? I shall conquer this! Did you notice the wedding ring? I did. Did you also notice how big his feet look in those Hush Puppies??? If you catch my lacivious drift.... DEAD GUY DROOL (Lorie) Maybe I should start a topic on Dead Guys Drool. Old movie stars like Flynn, Jimmy Stewart and Jimmy Cagney make my heart go pitter-pat. Always have. I think there already are some dead guy droolers around here. I noticed a topic for James Dean (a long-time fav of mine) and Monty Clift among others. They don't look too "active." ;-) SMOLDERING VS. PETULANCE CF said in the Movieline article that smoldering charm is a "byproduct of having dark hair....If you scowl a lot and you've got blonde hair, usually you're petulant." Gee, and I thought one's eyes smoldered. I'm racking my brain (should take about another minute or so) to come up with a blonde who smolders. The only ones I can think of are all women, usually from 1930s-1940s movies.

Thanks for the input on additional scenes showing dressing to the left or right. Some are more subtle than others. I'm still a bit confused as to what the story is in the "Then go to it" scene. Maybe the long shirt-tails are bunched up or something. Since I'm a newbie on this and have only seen CF in P&P2, what other movie of his would you recommend next? What's your absolute favorite besides P&P2? I want to go through these slowly and carefully. Oh, and how do you find out how to make copied text italicized here? I can copy, but how about those other niceties to make my responses more cogent? I came across intructions once but can't find them now. :(

TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? I prefer it when CF does not smile, but I like it when he looks amused and cracks a tiny little smile. When he's grinning from ear to ear at the end of P&P2, I just have to cringe. It doesn't suit him. (Claudia)Oh, and how do you find out how to make copied text italicized here? Visit the new user's help topic. It's number 61. I got help from there. Alicia

HIS HAIR MY DEAR, HIS HAIR Definitely curly - dark brown with auburn tints which are highlighted in the sun (Master of the Moor, Nostromo). There's a rather blurred photo of Colin aged about five years at the end of an article at: http://members.aol.com/DJohn10589/Kate_Colin.html Curly, yes! FUTURE PROJECTS Alicia, you probably already know these sites but Ellen's FirthFAQ at: http://www.teleport.com/~kenellen/firthfaq.htm is an excellent way of keeping up to date with Colin's work (past and present). Updated every month. And there's the Friend of Firth's site at: http://www.grin.net/~meluchie/firthlist/index.html FAVOURITE AFTER P&P I haven't seen everything Claudia, but my favourite ( for sheer acting power) is A Month in the Country. CUP AND SAUCER Have I noticed what? Incroyable, Nan! You're not looking properly!! Now I'm short-sighted and I can see... Focus on the centre of the screen about half way through the shower scene..Slow-mo may help!!! Just a flashing glimpse but, shall we say, interesting!:-) MOVIELINE PHOTO (Karen) Wedding ring?!! Now he's got something to fiddle with!:-) This must be the first photo since the wedding... tell me now, does he look as though married life agrees with him?!! If you catch my lascivious drift Mmmm!! :-) WOM (Renate) Opening SEPTEMBER 1998!!!! E-e-ekk!!! Really BAD NEWS. Why so long...does anyone know? NEARLY A WHOLE YEAR!! Need some good news to compensate for this!!

ENGLISHMEN IN WESTERN? (KarenR) Urghhhhhh. Then he wouldn't have an accent. It is so rare to find an English cowboy. If you can imagine a Western with more characters than just cowboys and John Wayne ;-)) there is a way to make English accent believable: don't forget that the most Western are supposed to take place in the last century, when many future Americans just arrived from Europe, and with them their accents, why not from England? Imagine a younger son from the English gentry like Col Fitzwilliam, (or even Heathcliff! - "The Lost Years" :-)) ), who would be a good horseman and a hunter, would leave his country be ause of a duel, or whatever, to become a gambler but converts to simple life when his good old friend is killed in a saloon, only to become a stable hand on a farm where a young widow with a young son+wild horse lives, who tries to defend her thousand acres and honour against the evil cow baron and his dirty dozen, and she nurses him when the Sioux take his eyebrows for a scalp, and they make love in an upright position aka 'Sitting Bull' (Scusi! couldn't resist :-)) ) followed by a showdown in buckskin t ousers with bow-legged walk, two-horse carriage ride of happy family into sunset while the end titles roll. Sniff. 7 Oscars, one for Best Actor and one for Best Original Script. (I am already rehearsing my Oscar speech) ;-))

HTML BASICS (Claudia) Oh, and how do you find out how to make copied text italicized here? I can copy, but how about those other niceties to make my responses more cogent? I came across intructions once but can't find them now. :( Look for 'Ann's Toot' at the Pemberley Board, it works the same way here. :-)) It's the HTML basics, how to italicize, write bold, and colourful.

Ilove the western plot! Get me in the Academy and I'll vote for your Oscar. Can we get CF and some other fav Brits to be in it? Perhaps an entirely British settlement? Or set the whole thing in Australia?

And so at last I'm back. Barely finished reading EVERYTHING that has been posted since last time I looked: listed over 30 items I wanted to comment on, like: no, I didn't find his shoe size in any of his films; yes, I also had a crush on Richard Chamberlain (among many others!)but nowadays I seem to be the only one Colin fan who doesn't care much about other actors - don't get me wrong, I like a lot of them, but I can love only one at a time; yes, ATA script and editing were well and truly messed up; no, I don't think Clifton in TEP was impotent; I'll try to find out what he's mumbling in Tumbledown (just tell me where exactly to look for the scene); his car, a Nissan Maxima automatic is a "C" registration which makes it about 12 (not 15) years old (but he probably doesn't use it an awful lot); have the old manure buckets resurfaced as "foreign tubs"(???); I quite like his matchstick arms and legs; I also believe that Darcy's breeches in certain s enes are padded with shirttails (plus, Crispin Bonham-Carter has once hinted in an interview that the two leading gents of P&P had some sort of "male fullness" contest going on... also conducted some highly scientific enquiry on behalf of my researcher colleagues here - but my left-handed right-dressing hubby denies any conscious association of the facts...); will have to check that second shower scene in Playmaker again (interesting? How? Is there something unusual...? Hm...); and... no, I can't possib y, it'll go on forever... so I'll just fall in! Hi, everybody! Particularly warm welcome to all newcomers. (Nan, you should have warned them that my middle name is Trouble...;-)) (P.S. Renate, can I direct that western with your absolutely LOL-ly script? Please? That'll be another Oscar...)

And another question: what the Firth is Topic 59? It seems to be simultaneously active. Do we BEHAVE over there and are NAUGHTY here, or what?

FAVORITE DARCY MOMENT / DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (nan) I believe you've left out the middle men dear ;-p (Karen) Do you mean those guys who are just hanging around? ;-p Yes, for lack of a better explanation ;-) THE ADVOCATE (Karen) Question: Are there European versions of these movies, where more is revealed? Or am I just blind???? And what movie has a shower scene?? The European version of "The Advocate" is called "Hour of the Pig" and, as I understand, has additional sexy scenes which we prudish Americans cannot view for fear of turning into stone ;-p There is a shower scene (2 actually) in the dreadful "Playmaker". A QUESTION OF POSITION (nan) However, the little shot when they land on the floor and you see his little blue underwear, ruins the mood for me. ;-( (I had to get that in somewhere Renate!) (Karen) Oh no!!! I didn't see that. Of course, I know that actors are usually clothed when they do those types of scenes, but deep down inside I want to believe otherwise!! Me too...it burst my bubble :-( COLIN QUOTES (lizbeth) THE INTERVIEWER THEN ASKS HIM ABOUT LIVIA}...The implication that I go round with a bimbo on my arm is not correct. (Karen) It would appear he uses his movie sets as a dating service. I read one of his quotes somewhere (don't remember, sorry) in which he answered a question about your above statement. He said, (and I'm paraphrasing here so be kind ;-p) "You fall in love with people you meet, simple as that...I don't think actors have a greater predilection for bonking eachother than anyone else". Someone here knows the correct wording I'm sure, but you get my gist. (Karen) I mean, where did he meet the bimbo--uh, I mean, his wife. Why, on the set of Nostromo where she was employed as a gopher. Gee, why on earth would he use the term "bimbo"? If it walks like a duck... Now, now Karen...tsk, tsk, tsk. None of us are too happy that he's taken, but anyone who could catch him is my kinda gal. Not that she'd care, but Livia gets my vote...if for no other reason than out of respect for him. THE THEORY (Renate) I have a new theory: what if it is not a matter of left/right, but a relative size (sic!), such as the compass directions, or the sun-dial kind, or more maritime: lee-side resp. weather-side (my fav)? LOL!! That explanation is the best I've heard...and the most pleasing ;-D That would explain the change of sides best. But, if this theory does not hold, it can't be helped: We will have to call in expert's advice. Should we post this question to the gentlemen at RoP? :-)=) I think that would be more than I needed to know about our gentleman Pemberleans...;-p DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Nan) You'd have better luck checking "The Advocate" I think. ...........you'll find what you're looking for there--I did ;-D (Renate) Can't you be more specific - I don't remember, and don't owe the Advocate (here: Hour of the Pig) - but seems to be time to rent it again. Since there are even more nude scenes in HOTP than in Advocate I think it should be even easier to spot. The scene I'm talking about is after the bare butt walking into the water scene, they are sitting down talking. Colin has a towel loosely placed over his thigh (the right I think). Maybe it's an editing thing, but in my version (and on my screen) you have proof of your "dark" theory. ;-D THINGIES (Claudia) I thought that the "vest-thingie" might be that little strap that hangs down from something under the vest on the men's front right. Is it a watch? (Renate) That thingie you mention must be The Infamous Watch and Fob, Arami's Keepsake. And, yes, it has a story of it's own, AND an essay..... Just want to seize the opportunity to remind that there's still the Keepsake Essay Contest pending.... I am still thinking on "What the Mirror saw" :-)) Go to it sister! I think maybe we should post something about that contest again...it's been a while. Alas, I am no author myself...I shall have to rely on the wit of others ;-) Speaking of Keepsakes...have you read Carolyn's hysterical "Elizabeth's Tour of Pemberley" at RoP fanfic? It's a hoot. She's managed to incorporate many RoPers and their keepsakes into the story. It's fun to figure out who everyone is and spot all the keepsake references. And yes, the infamous humpy hat has made an appearance ;-) (Claudia) And, not to be crude, but when Darcy is coming down the stairs of Netherfield just before giving Bingley his "approval" in B's marrying Jane, well, just what is in there, anyway? I mean, it's not like it's an appropriate moment or something. LOL!! Claudia, I've noticed it (many times) and was quite fascinated. I hope that, in this instance, Renate is wrong--that it is not his shirt...:-p MOVIELINE MAGAZINE (Nan) Someday when I finally get the scanner working I will be able to slap the photos right here. (Renate) Does this mean you *have* already a scanner? Wow! Yes I have one at the office--supposed to be a really good one too. Since it didn't have a home, I was offered the opportunity to have it hooked up to my computer (which I jumped on right away). However, there appears to be a problem with getting it to properly work in conjunction with the rest of the stuff on my computer. When they figure it out, I'm going to be one happy camper dearest! ;-) MOVIELINE (Renate) The quote [considers himself to be dark-haired] is not soo clear. Try to get the Movieline issue Nan wrote about. (Karen) Well, I did. I can't believe that I actually purchased a magazine like thatd!! I haven't done anything like that since I was probably 14 or 15!! Well, it's not exactly Teen Beat (used to love that one in my Shaun Cassidy era ;-p)...I didn't even read the rest, just the Colin part ;-) My, oh my, did you say wavy??? It's practically Shirley Temple-like!! Guess it was just the modern-day miracle of blowdrying it straight. As for the color, it does look dark...kind of auburnish. What is it with this guy?? What color hair do his siblings have? I shall conquer this! I don't know about his sister, but his brother's hair appears to be that kind of "sandy" color, at least in the pictures I've seen. Did you notice the wedding ring? I did. I did indeed. He looks enormously happy in that photo, don't you think? Did you also notice how big his feet look in those Hush Puppies??? If you catch my lacivious drift.... LOL!! DEAD GUY DROOL (Lorie) Maybe I should start a topic on Dead Guys Drool. Old movie stars like Flynn, Jimmy Stewart and Jimmy Cagney make my heart go pitter-pat. Always have. (Karen) I think there already are some dead guy droolers around here. I noticed a topic for James Dean (a long-time fav of mine) and Monty Clift among others. They don't look too "active." ;-) Many of the guys have topics--unfortunately most of them have not been used in many months. Feel free to start a droolfest on any of those. SMOLDERING VS. PETULANCE (Karen) CF said in the Movieline article that smoldering charm is a "byproduct of having dark hair....If you scowl a lot and you've got blonde hair, usually you're petulant." Gee, and I thought one's eyes smoldered. I'm racking my brain (should take about another minute or so) to come up with a blonde who smolders. The only ones I can think of are all women, usually from 1930s-1940s movies. I guess Colin gets 2 points for that comment because I can't think of one either--not a male anyay.

MOVIE RECOMMENDATIONS (Claudia) Since I'm a newbie on this and have only seen CF in P&P2, what other movie of his would you recommend next? What's your absolute favorite besides P&P2? I want to go through these slowly and carefully. Hmmm...not an easy question Claudia dear--depends what you're looking for I think. ;-) For his acting ability I would go with "A Month in the Country" or "Tumbledown" . Unfortunately, the latter is virtually impossible to find in the US if that's where you are ;-( For sexy scenes: "Femme Fatale" (movie isn't great but he is most pleasant) or "The Advocate"--not one of my favorites either--so much dirt everywhere! ;-p But I think the best one to start with is "Valmont"--that is where he s the most charming and the movie itself isn't bad. Which reminds me... Isn't it about time to tackle another movie for the COLIN FILM DISCUSSION? Anyone have a preference? Since there's a larger group now, I'd like to do one that we could all get our hands on (that leaves out Tumbledown or 1919 or Camille) And speaking of Camille...anyone see it? I haven't been able to find it (which doesn't really surprise me). I've not heard good things about it--too bad too because I love the story, though I prefer the Verdi version ;-) ANOTHER COUNTRY TANGENT I originally saw AC when I rented it last Spring. I just bought a copy and I noticed something strange...they cut out the part at the end which tells you what happened to the main characters, etc. Anyone know why? TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? (Alicia) I prefer it when CF does not smile, but I like it when he looks amused and cracks a tiny little smile. When he's grinning from ear to ear at the end of P&P2, I just have to cringe. It doesn't suit him. He looks like a different person when he smiles I agree. This is not always the case with everyone...frequently a smile is just a smile. I too, prefer the brooding Colin but I also like to see the wide smile in moderation. That Movieline picture (where he is absolutely ear to ear smiling) is really very charming. CUP AND SAUCER (Nan) Have I noticed what? (Bethan) Incroyable, Nan! You're not looking properly!! Now I'm short-sighted and I can see... Focus on the centre of the screen about half way through the shower scene..Slow-mo may help!!! Just a flashing glimpse but, shall we say, interesting!:-) Okay, if you say so I'll go and sift through that painfully bad movie--but if I don't see IT, you're in big trouble missy! ;-p ENGLISH WESTERNS (Lorie) I love the western plot! Get me in the Academy and I'll vote for your Oscar. Me too Renate. Too funny! :-) Inspired too...I never would have thought of the early settlers. But alas, I do not think the Americans would accept the fact that we didn't just sprout from the ground here ;-p To the general population Western means Wayne or Eastwood--at least in the major roles. Hmm... SHE HAS RETURNED Welcome back--nice trip? ;-) yes, I also had a crush on Richard Chamberlain oooh, but I like him so much! I saw an interview with him last week--what an eloquent, handsome, altogether charming man he is... yes, ATA script and editing were well and truly messed up Thank you...I thought I was overreacting. I'll try to find out what he's mumbling in Tumbledown (just tell me where exactly to look for the scene) The one I was asking about was the "the boys think I'm dead scene"--which Renate and Bethan cleared up. But there were several others...I'll let you know. I also believe that Darcy's breeches in certain scenes are padded with shirttails Shhh! I'M HAVING A FANTASY;-p but my left-handed right-dressing hubby denies any conscious association of the facts...) LOL!! Poor man...definitely thinks we're nuts now. ;-) Particularly warm welcome to all newcomers. (Nan, you should have warned them that my middle name is Trouble...;-)) I thought I'd leave that to you dear...;-p And another question: what the Firth is Topic 59? It seems to be simultaneously active. Do we BEHAVE over there and are NAUGHTY here, or what? LOL!! Certainly not. Corrupt us...please ;-) It was started one night when we thought Colin had vanished again. Our concern was premature so rather than delete it, I decided to just let it be and see what happens.

WELCOME BACK ARAMI! Again, welcome back! Now to more serious matters.. I also believe that Darcy's breeches in certain scenes are stuffed with his shirttails Oh, SPOILSPORT!! Ruining my fantasies! But, I think you're wrong (not that I have conclusive proof, unfortunately:-) ) If you look at his shirt as he strides through the daisies, it's long at the back but quite short at the front, just slightly below the waist, and it's made of thin gossamer-like material. Now, I'm not very good at the technicalities, but even if the front of the shirt was all scrunched up I don't think it would convey such an impression of..weightiness! And the back won't reach! I rest m very badly argued case. I think it's for real!! And talking of IT ...(Nan) If I don't see IT, you're in big trouble.. You will see IT, Keep looking!! ATA A full report Arami, please. What about Colin's actual performance within the limitations of the script, and could it stall his career a bit? It's just that I had such high hopes, and the timing (for him) was quite crucial as a Darcy follow-up in the US.

WESTERN (Lorie) Can we get CF and some other fav Brits to be in it? Which one, f.e.? I sense you are highly qualified for the casting director's job. Or set the whole thing in Australia? Ever seen 'Quigley Down Under', with Tom Selleck and Alan Rickman? I like it a lot. OH, NO! no, I don't think Clifton in TEP was impotent; Terrible thought. We know better :-)) Katherine just did not get it. She must have read P&P, and was probably waiting for smoldering Mr Darcy, and did not realise how near he was.... have the old manure buckets resurfaced as "foreign tubs"(???) \::&::&::&::&::/ Much more volume. Go to it! OH, YES! (P.S. Renate, can I direct that western with your absolutely LOL-ly script? Please? That'll be another Oscar...) Perfect. Now we have a star, a director, a casting agent, a writer, the production design should go to Nan..... anybody else? And another question: what the Firth is Topic 59? It seems to be simultaneously active. Do we BEHAVE over there and are NAUGHTY here, or what? That is why here are about 323 responses, and only about 7 over there.... :-)) DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Nan) The scene I'm talking about is after the bare butt walking into the water scene, they are sitting down talking. Colin has a towel loosely placed over his thigh (the right I think). Maybe it's an editing thing, but in my version (and on my screen) you have proof of your "dark" theory. ;-D Nan, what's your TV brand? It shows definitely more than mine on the bottom of the frames! Both in FF and in HOTP/Advocate. May have something to do with PAL/NTSC? (Karen) Did you also notice how big his feet look in those Hush Puppies??? If you catch my lacivious drift.... There's no such drift that escapes our notice. :-)=) But were not you one of those who complained about the thin-ness of his limbs and suggested that he might need some workout? I think I already offered my services before as a personal trainer for his daily workout. (BTW, what's the icon for a really really very big very dirty grin?) MOVIE RECOMMENDATIONS (Nan) For his acting ability I would go with "A Month in the Country" or "Tumbledown" . Unfortunately, the latter is virtually impossible to find in the US if that's where you are ;- Same goes for Master of the Moor, with Tumbledown my favourite, because it is a really good mystery, and the whole cast simply terrific, an impressive TV production. There is also Hostages, hard to watch because of the topic, but worth watching. (Nan) "The Advocate"--not one of my favorites either--so much dirt everywhere! ;-p Butt - I would recommend it nevertheless. :-)) But I think the best one to start with is "Valmont"--that is where he s the most charming and the movie itself isn't bad. Agreed. And go on with Advocate, because it's also a period piece and easy to watch. TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? (Alicia) I prefer it when CF does not smile, but I like it when he looks amused and cracks a tiny little smile. When he's grinning from ear to ear at the end of P&P2, I just have to cringe. It doesn't suit him. But, but, but...... you can't say that a man's smile does not suit the man! :-)) CF always emphasized in all his interviews that he is not at all Darcy. He is an incredibly versatile actor who lent only one of his many faces to Darcy. But I know what you mean. As Nan mentioned, he suddenly looks a completely other type of person with his "too toothy grin" (Michele), a blessing for an actor, I suppose. By now, after months of closest studies, I find his other faces (f.e. MOTM or FP) more fascinating than arcy's, but I suppose I am in minority here. http://www.pemberley.com/photos/firth/twofer.jpg (from Pemberly Photo Galerie)

...IF I WERE SISKEL OR EBERT (Claudia) Since I'm a newbie on this and have only seen CF in P&P2, what other movie of his would you recommend next? What's your absolute favorite besides P&P2? I want to go through these slowly and carefully. Given the difficulty of finding CF films, you may just want to start with whatever you can find. When P&P2 came out last year, I rented Valmont. I too would recommend it. He gives a very good performance and, as Annette Benning says, "Monsieur Valmont is quite the letter writer." :-)). Since finding this site and RoP, I have been on a binge in finding his other movies. I definitely liked his performance in "Hostages." and "The Advocate" or HOTP, as it is known in Europe. Femme Fatale has its moments but it is pretty cheesy insofar as films go. Obviously his first role in Another Country shows great merit/potential as well as A Month in the Country. Leave Circle of Friends, where he plays the nasty Simon Westward for later. I remember being quite excited by Nostromo being on TV, but I must admit that after the disappointment of his role in TEP...my interest began to wane. Just my humble opinions!!! TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? (Alicia) I prefer it when CF does not smile, but I like it when he looks amused and cracks a tiny little smile. When he's grinning from ear to ear at the end of P&P2, I just have to cringe. It doesn't suit him. Oh, but he has such a nice little smile and laugh. I know I will break the reverse on my VCR, every time I back up to watch many of those scenes where he breaks into a grin. I've done it quite a bit on the walk to the carriage schene and just to see that rare grin. (Rare, especially if you had only seen the A&E broadcast from Jan.'96 and not the 18 minutes that had been edited out. There were other smiles that never made it to my tape. Oh, woe is me.) (nan) That Movieline picture (where he is absolutely ear to ear smiling) is really very charming. Agreed. MOVIELINE PHOTO (lizbeth) first photo since the wedding... tell me now, does he look as though married life agrees with him?!! If you catch my lascivious drift Mmmm!! :-) Hard to tell...he has his hand in his lap!! ;-D ENGLISHMEN IN WESTERN? (Renate) don't forget that the most Westerns are supposed to take place in the last century, when many future Americans just arrived from Europe, and with them their accents, why not from England? I loved your outline for Colin Out West!! I can just hear the cattle mooing on the great plains. However, having a degree in history (with some background in early American immigration history), he would more likely have a Scandinavian, German or Slavic accent as an immigrant in the frontier. But that doesn't mean it couldn't happen!!! We historians have absolutely no imagination. I hope that doesn't mean I couldn't work on your film. I volunteer to be Wardrobe Mistress and all that entails...I'm not looking for glory, just some "hands-on" experience!! ;-) COLIN QUOTES (Karen) Gee, why on earth would he use the term "bimbo"? If it walks like a duck... (nan) Not that she'd care, but Livia gets my vote...if for no other reason than out of respect for him. I think my point is "why would he refer to her as a bimbo"? I read the funniest article, probably from something on Friends of Firth, that quoted his future mother-in-law. She was saying what an absolute gentleman he was and that he brought Livia home before 11:00 p.m. and he never stayed over at their home. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world. They were both on location in South America (unchaperoned) for the filming of Nostromo. Maybe there's more to this bimbo thing than meets the eye... SMOLDERING VS. PETULANCE (Karen) I'm racking my brain (should take about another minute or so) to come up with a blonde who smolders. The only ones I can think of are all women, usually from 1930s-1940s movies. (nan) I can't think of one either--not a male any way. The researcher in me is going to have to open up some boxes to unearth my movie books..."Immortals of the Silver Screen" comes to mind...as well as "A Pictoral History of the Talkies." One of these days I'm going to have to build some shelves!! COLIN FILM DISCUSSION (nan) Isn't it about time to tackle another movie for the COLIN FILM DISCUSSION? Anyone have a preference? Since there's a larger group now, I'd like to do one that we could all get our hands on (that leaves out Tumbledown or 1919 or Camille) I suggest you add "Wings of Fame" to your list of near impossibles. I've never seen it at a rental place and the going rate to buy is about $90.00. Dutch Girls is unavailable/discontinued. As to my preference, I don't know which ones you have already discussed. I assume it would be easiest to discuss one with widespread availability, like a Valmont. (Renate) Agreed (on Valmont). And go on with Advocate, because it's also a period piece and easy to watch. Besides the naturalistic scenes, he does some great things with his face in this one!! And speaking of Camille...anyone see it? I haven't been able to find it (which doesn't really surprise me). I haven't seen it yet, but it is available to purchase from a few places. Where did you find Tumbledown? I have ordered Apartment Zero, but it hasn't arrived yet. DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) Fullness contests??? Shirt tails???? I think we should let "stuffing" dogs lie!! (Karen) Did you also notice how big his feet look in those Hush Puppies??? If you catch my lacivious drift.... (Renate) But were not you one of those who complained about the thin-ness of his limbs and suggested that he might need some workout? I think I already offered my services before as a personal trainer for his daily workout. (BTW, what's the icon for a really really very big very dirty grin?) Yes, I must admit his thin arms and squishy-looking chest have not been my favorite of his "attributes." However, the chest did look better in "Hostages." I--for one--AM a fan of his long, thin legs. Hating, as I do stereotypes, I think this is one of those "American" things. We get so used to our actors working on their bodies that a "real" looking one doesn't look as good in comparison. In Hostages, Ciaran Hinds looks positively flabby. Having just watched 16,000 marathoners run past my house yest rday morning, I feel that I can definitely comment on what a long-distance runner looks like from up, close and personal experience. Yes, they are wirey, but there is muscle definition everywhere (even in their thin arms). MOVIE GAME I did finally come up with another movie that I think CF would have been good in. I'm having a lot of trouble here, because when I think of my favorite movies, the actors have taken over the roles and made them their own and, try as I might, I can't take them out or see anyone else in them. That's why most of the ideas I have had are for books that haven't been made into movies yet. However, I did come up with one!!! Don't laugh because I know you guys are, but couldn't you see CF as the Richard Gere haracter in "Pretty Woman"??? First, he could do it with an accent; there would be no need to be an American. There are many corporate raiders from overseas. He has already shown us his ability to play a "user" (Simon Westward in Circle of Friends), but in this one, he could shed that cold fish facade and turn into the charming knight in shining armor that we all know he has played so well....Besides, it's not too difficult to imagine an Englishman picking up a hooker on Hollywoood Boulevard ;-p

(KarenR)I loved your outline for Colin Out West!! I can just hear the cattle mooing on the great plains.....(edited roughly)... I volunteer to be Wardrobe Mistress and all that entails...I'm not looking for glory, just some "hands-on" experience!! Now why didn't I think of that? Of course, as casting director (thanks!), I suppose there's always that casting couch method of finding the other handsome British men (and I DO have a list of those I want to audition). Honestly, it's a good thing my husband doesn't browse on the Spring.

MISTRESS OF ALL I SURVEY Lori: I think I was prompted to volunteer for this menial job by the article that described the "pond scene" in P&P2. Supposedly, they wanted CF to do in the buff, he refused and then they started toying around with the idea of underwear. But men didn't wear underwear in those days. So, the idea of fitting CF for underwear sort of appeals to me. How better than to put some closure on the right-left argument, shirt tail stuffing, etc. I mean somebody has to do these menial things!!!

STUFFING (Bethan) If you look at his shirt as he strides through the daisies, it's long at the back but quite short at the front, just slightly below the waist, and it's made of thin gossamer-like material. Now, I'm not very good at the technicalities, but even if the front of the shirt was all scrunched up I don't think it would convey such an impression of..weightiness! Brava Bethan! I'm impressed by the amount of time and consideration you've given this very crucial question. Nothing like a good rationalization...;-) SUFFERING THROUGH PLAYMAKER (Nan) If I don't see IT, you're in big trouble.. (Bethan) You will see IT, Keep looking!! Damned glass bricks! They distort everything. I think I've found the part you mean (shower #1, 20:48 according to my counter ;-p) Just the briefest of instances, but at least it further validates Renate's "dark" theory. ;-.o The second shower scene is just a big ol' mess--can't see a blessed thing. OH, NO! (Arami) no, I don't think Clifton in TEP was impotent; (Renate) Terrible thought. We know better :-)) Katherine just did not get it. Or didn't get it well enough ;-p WESTERN (Arami) (P.S. Renate, can I direct that western with your absolutely LOL-ly script? Please? That'll be another Oscar...) (Renate) Perfect. Now we have a star, a director, a casting agent, a writer, the production design should go to Nan..... anybody else? Oh good--I got the fun part! (and the only one I'm even vaguely qualified for as well) :-) (Arami) And another question: what the Firth is Topic 59? Do we BEHAVE over there and are NAUGHTY here, or what? (Renate) That is why here are about 323 responses, and only about 7 over there.... :-)) I'm very jealous that I didn't think of that answer myself. Priceless dear, ;-) DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (Nan)Maybe it's an editing thing, but in my version (and on my screen) you have proof of your "dark" theory. ;-D (Renate) Nan, what's your TV brand? LOL!! Mitsubishi, if that makes any difference. It shows definitely more than mine on the bottom of the frames! Both in FF and in HOTP/Advocate. May have something to do with PAL/NTSC? It could be either I guess. Bethan, Arami--do you guys know what I'm talking about or does it drop off your screens as well? That schtinks! Renate, you poor dear. :-( I promise you're not missing anything stupendous, just enough to prove your theory. ...IF I WERE SISKEL OR EBERT (Karen) I remember being quite excited by Nostromo being on TV, but I must admit that after the disappointment of his role in TEP...my interest began to wane. Did you wind up watching Nostromo? I felt like it went on forever and I wasn't sure which character (if any) deserved my sympathy. ENGLISHMEN IN WESTERN? (Renate) don't forget that the most Westerns are supposed to take place in the last century, when many future Americans just arrived from Europe, and with them their accents, why not from England? I hope that doesn't mean I couldn't work on your film. I volunteer to be Wardrobe Mistress and all that entails...I'm not looking for glory, just some "hands-on" experience!! ;-) Are you very good with inseams dear? ;-p COLIN QUOTES (Karen) Gee, why on earth would he use the term "bimbo"? If it walks like a duck... (nan) Not that she'd care, but Livia gets my vote...if for no other reason than out of respect for him. (Karen) I think my point is "why would he refer to her as a bimbo"? I think he was only quoting some rumor(s) he'd heard. There was some early speculation that she was much younger than Colin (some reports said as young as 22 I think). So he was saying that 1) she is not 22, but 27 and 2) she's not a dim little girl which he wears on his arm for show. I'm not quite sure why being 22 is synonymous with the word bimbo in the minds of some people, but whatever... (Karen) I read the funniest article that quoted his future mother-in-law. She was saying what an absolute gentleman he was and that he brought Livia home before 11:00 p.m. and he never stayed over at their home. It must be nice to live in a fantasy world. That's just an old-fashioned Italian thing. My grandmother was the same way. We behaved in front of her and did what we wanted when she wasn't looking. This was convenient, because she believed only what she saw with her own eyes. They were both on location in South America (unchaperoned) for the filming of Nostromo. And having a grand old time I imagine. ;-) COLIN FILM DISCUSSION (nan)I'd like to do one that we could all get our hands on (that leaves out Tumbledown or 1919 or Camille) (Karen) I suggest you add "Wings of Fame" to your list of near impossibles. I've never seen it at a rental place and the going rate to buy is about $90.00. I was able to rent WOF at Tower Video (do you have one there?) I like Tower because they tend to be more quirky in their selections than say Blockbuster, which is purely mainstream. Also if you can't find something at Tower to rent, you can request it and they'll order it and add it to their rentals. Dutch Girls is unavailable/discontinued. I think I got the last copy from Amazon (I think that's where I got it, I'm not sure). They had to do a seach for me and it took more than a month, but I did finally get it. As to my preference, I don't know which ones you have already discussed. I assume it would be easiest to discuss one with widespread availability, like a Valmont. Valmont works for me--anyone else have an opinion? (Nan) Camille... (Karen) I haven't seen it yet, but it is available to purchase from a few places. Then I shall have to order it, but again, I've only heard negative things about it...Arami, I'm sure you've seen it--any opinions? Where did you find Tumbledown? A friend was nice enough to hunt down a copy for me, but as far as I know there is no way to purchase one here. I have ordered Apartment Zero, but it hasn't arrived yet. I liked Apartment Zero--not at all droolworthy, but I liked it anyway. Nice and creepy. MOVIE GAME (Karen)That's why most of the ideas I have had are for books that haven't been made into movies yet. Oh you can use those too as long as you put in a lot of juicy descriptions ;-)... However, I did come up with one!!! Don't laugh because I know you guys are, but couldn't you see CF as the Richard Gere character in "Pretty Woman"??? This one one of my choices for the "Marilyn Movie Game" which was to choose a movie in which you thought the male lead was perfectly cast. I'm not a huge Gere fan, but I think that he was really perfect for that role. However, I could certainly imagine Colin doing something similar (and you're right, the accent doesn't matter in this instance). I don't think Julia Roberts would be the right leading lady for Colin though...have to come up with someone else (JB Renate? :-p) CASTING THE WESTERN (Lorie) Of course, as casting director (thanks!), I suppose there's always that casting couch method of finding the other handsome British men (and I DO have a list of those I want to audition). So...what men are we talking about? We must know dear, we cannot remain in the dark for long about anyone's drooling fantasies. ;-)

WESTERN (Lorie) Can we get CF and some other fav Brits to be in it? Mr. Rickman, Mr. Branagh, Mr. Everett (a gay cowboy, perhaps? ;-P)Mr. O'Toole, Mr. Hinds, Mr. Northam, and the list goes on and on. TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE? (Renate)But, but, but...... you can't say that a man's smile does not suit the man! :-))By now, after months of closest studies, I find his other faces (f.e. MOTM or FP) more fascinating than Darcy's, but I suppose I am in minority here. I've just realized that I've seen him so much in P&P that I've forgotten about his other roles so I'm just used to the Darcy face. So I guess I should rent some videos and watch his other roles. Maybe I'll get used to a smile on his face. MOVIE GAME (Karen) Don't laugh because I know you guys are, but couldn't you see CF as the Richard Gere character in "Pretty Woman"??? Yes!! I absolutely love that movie. Puh-lease, will someone please be kind enough to make a British version of it with our Colin? Alicia

DISGUISE OF ANY KIND IS MY ABHORRENCE :-) (nan) It could be either I guess. Bethan, Arami--do you guys know what I'm talking about or does it drop off your screens as well? Maybe the solution is a bigger TV. Magnification with slo-mo (frame-by-frame advancement) could be the answer. This could be quite an investment. ...IF I WERE SISKEL OR EBERT (Karen) I remember being quite excited by Nostromo being on TV, but I must admit that after the disappointment of his role in TEP...my interest began to wane. (nan) Did you wind up watching Nostromo? I felt like it went on forever and I wasn't sure which character (if any) deserved my sympathy. Oh, yes, I watched the whole thing. Nostromo is the more interesting character. I don't quite remember all that much of it though, except that CF didn't look like Darcy and I was bummed out with the facial hair. Don't particularly care for it on him. I am rather surprised that I didn't tape it for further review and reflection.....oh, more is coming back to me... Sympathy? I would say that I felt more sympathy for Nostromo--he was constantly being asked to perform the extraordinary for those interlop rs. His honor/reputation was everything. Couldn't say that about anyone else. Actually, this is sounding more interesting than it appeared previously. Maybe I'll rent the thing and watch it again! ENGLISHMEN IN WESTERNS? (Karen) I volunteer to be Wardrobe Mistress and all that entails...I'm not looking for glory, just some "hands-on" experience!! ;-) (nan) Are you very good with inseams dear? ;-p As with your assignment for production design, I have some familiarity with the job's requirements. In my youth, I did quite a bit of sewing. I would imagine it's like riding a bicycle, something you just don't forget!! Being a person of short stature, inseams are my speciality. Just let me get my tape measure out!! ;-p (Lorie) Can we get CF and some other fav Brits to be in it? (Alicia) Mr. Rickman, Mr. Branagh, Mr. Everett (a gay cowboy, perhaps? ;-P) Mr. O'Toole, Mr. Hinds, Mr. Northam, and the list goes on and on. Must add Timothy Dalton to this list. Those guys with indentations on their chins. I'll second the Rupert Everett thing. Wasn't he a riot? I just read something about a couple of his upcoming movies...that he will be openly gay in them as well. COLIN FILM DISCUSSION (nan) I was able to rent WOF at Tower Video (do you have one there?) Yes, we do have Tower but I've never gone there. I've got a Blockbuster and a Video Update (a fairly new chain here) within a couple of blocks of where I live. (Being in the city, I hate to drive anywhere--no parking!) Blockbuster is useless, but VU has been a gem. Not only do they stock a lot of "old" films, on Tuesdays, the "old" films are 2 for 99 cents and you get to keep them for like 3 days!!! I'll have to hop in my car and check out Tower (though, sometime during the week, when there might be treet parking, although I doubt it). (nan) I liked Apartment Zero--not at all droolworthy, but I liked it anyway. Nice and creepy. Not droolworthy??? Oh well, they can't all be gems. MOVIE GAME (nan) I don't think Julia Roberts would be the right leading lady for Colin though...have to come up with someone else (JB Renate? :-p) Julia would be fine; she wouldn't have to slouch all the time and wear flat shoes when she is in close up scenes with him. CF is tall enough for her. Perhaps, as a variation on these various movie games (Marilyn's and Renate's), I'd like to imagine what kind of movie Pretty Woman would have been (1) with CF in the Richard Gere role and (2)it was not made by a Disney company. First off, we'd get to see a lot more of our lead characters. That scene in bed would not have been shot through a room divider. And since positions have been brought up, how shall I describe what took place while Lucy was crushing grapes!!! or on that piano!!! What or who is JB?

My scanner works!!!! Are you jealous? ;-.D

CONGRATULATIONS, NAN!!! Wow! And no, I am NOT jealous, because I know you are generous and will share your treasures.....BEAUTIFUL!

FATHER FIGURE Surfing the net (officially part of my work programme, so it's VERY tempting to make CF digressions!) I found a nice resume of "Secret Laughter of Women". "A Nigerian single mother is caught between the customs of her people and the amorous interest of an English writer who has befriended her eight year old son." More or less the same age as Colin's own son - he must be attracted to this kind of role at the moment (ditto, in WOM he has a 10 year old son!) I've always thought that he acts very convincingly with children -AMITC and more recently FP - although I'm pleased he's still got amorous interests,:-) SLOW (great acronym!) has a March 98 delivery date. Also, (Y-E-SSSS! Renate) WOM has been bought by, amongst others, Spain and GERMANY! And FP received a very favourable review at the Vancouver Film Festival and so hopefully it will be shown in Canada, and be available on video in the US... soon! What a clever little surfer I am!! CUP AND SAUCER Nan, oh Nan!! You're looking at the wrong shower scene. Now this is my last word on the subject, so pay attention! Shower scene 2. Approximately 28-29 seconds into the scene, focus on the middle row of glass panels, third panel from the right. I cannot be more explicit without blushing :-)!! But once you've seen it, you see it every time! And I don't even scrutinise these kind of scenes very carefully :-) MASTER OF THE MOOR Have to agree, Renate - I love some of the full face close-ups of Colin - it's those marvellous eyes. He doesn't need words. NOSTROMO Karen, "Nostromo" deserves a second viewing, although it needed some tighter editing. And you do end up liking the beard (I did!).

(KarenR)... the idea of fitting CF for underwear sort of appeals to me. How better than to put some closure on the right-left argument, shirt tail stuffing, etc. I mean somebody has to do these menial things!!! How very big of you to stoop down, be ready to get your hands dirty, and do such a horrible task!:-) Nan, thanks so much for the great smiling CF! He's lovely. Oh, and to many above who added Brits to the Western cast, mustn't forget Mark Strong. Emma was rerun on A&E this weekend before Jane Eyre (AND CUT, DAMN THEM), so I got a MS fix and am determined that he, too, should be in the Western and in a brown hat!

Thanks for the rapturous welcome, dear Co-droolers, I'm truly moved. The trip was super, we're already thinking of going back - wish it could be now, for the weather here is getting cooler. ATA Can't really add much more to what has already been said generally. I wish I could see and compare the director's cut or at least read the original script, to see how the adaptation was first planned. You can't hope to transfer a book to the screen in its entirety; moreover, an adaptation often makes not only cuts but also changes, sometimes quite substantial. I understand that Jane Smiley wasn't exactly happy with what was happening in the process, and also a little disappointed not to be invited to co aborate on the script, but had to concede that, once the film rights were sold, the story didn't belong to her anymore. The bottom line is that the two primadonnas - JL & MP - were apparently exceedingly enthusiastic about exploring merely one aspect of the story, namely the relationship between the sisters, and sacrificed everything else in Smiley's mini-saga for that purpose. The result is that the whole background is blurred: there are some other people there (including Colin), but they don't really matter, and if the audience is discerning, it can't help wondering why (or if it isn't, it just doesn't care). It is all indeed a bit melodramatic and soapy, much too oversimplified. In the book there was an interesting little story behind Jess's character: in the film none of that is even mentioned. He's just a stud, that's all. But what a stud!!! Colin looked extremely edible, although I'm still puzzled why both sisters were immediately so eager to bed him - Catherine Clifton's syndrome, I guess... on y less interestingly presented. There was precious little there to showcase Colin's range and abilities, but I don't think it will damage him in any way. I suspect that, as far as Hollywood is concerned, he is quite content to jog along (like Jess!) as a reliable and capable supporting actor until maybe he gets something he really likes. It is frustrating for us that he seems in no hurry - in three years he'll be 40! but personally I'm a loyal fan and accept his choice. Remember, according to his own words, he isn't having a career - h 's simply doing a job honestly and as well as he can... BTW, one of the signs of his approaching middle age is his suddenly hairier chest: I'm sure it wasn't so hirsute in earlier displays... My hubby's chest was almost hairless until his early 40's! Now he's sprouting it everywhere! PLAYMAKER Can anyone describe EXACTLY what it is you think you can see? I've slo-moed back and forward until the tape started wearing thin and if you really think what I think you think you see through that thick distorting glass, then he's also got a pair of horns and she a tail... THE ADVOCATE (THOTP) Now I suspect there may be different takes incorporated in the American cut. Mine shows exactly what Renate describes about hers. He is sitting and towelling his upper thighs (or... whatever!) - but you can only see him down to his waist. Can't see his lap at all. Waaaaaaaaaaah! TEP She married him on the rebound - she just didn't love him. Surely, a lot of "it" is not enough? CAMILLE He was very young, quite a solid performance, but not too powerful - and the adaptation was a little watery, perhaps. Not a lot to talk about, unless one is a real enthusiast...;-) BIMBO Karen, what do you understand by "bimbo"? According to my Oxford Dictionary, the English language has adapted the word to mean a young empty-headed woman. The original Italian meaning is literally "little child". In the quote from the interview Colin was speaking against the impression given by tabloids that Livia was as young as 19, so that he was a cradle-snatcher - and in this context he seemed to be flaunting his (obviously!) intimate knowledge of Italian... Livia is actually about 28 now, and (assumi g she's now completed her studies) a doctor of English literature - so neither meaning would be approriate anyway... ONCE MORE INTO THE BREECHES... As to the contents of Mr Darcy's breeches, you can all have all sorts of fantasies, but the simple truth is that his groin seemed to have been in the same league as the moon - there were phases... And the shirt in which he walks from the pond is not necessarily the shirt he was wearing earlier. There were several shirts made for different scenes and Crispin Bonham-Carter confirms that he had to wear his "like a nappy" (diaper in US-speak) AND that Colin was jealous of the shape of his (Crispin's)groin... But perhaps his face is more interesting... Love his toothy-goofy-grin with an overbite, matchstick limbs, pimply chin... Does it sound like the emperor has no clothes?... But, hey, he's HUMAN! And he's never denied it... (But not huge feet. Oh, no. His feet seem in very reasonable proportion. But he loves wearing wide fitting, comfortable shoes or boots...) And I'm sorry, but Colin's chest NEVER looked squishy.... SCANNER Congrats, Nan - can this thing enlarge?... WESTERN Is Mr Northam a Brit, then?

WESTERN (Arami)Is Mr Northam a Brit, then? What do you mean? He's not British!? He seemed to have a convincing accent in Emma, the Net, and etc. Also, for the western film, can I be the director of photography (cinematographer)? Photography is my hobby anyway. Alicia

WESTERN Is Mr Northam a Brit, then? (Alicia)He seemed to have a convincing accent in Emma, the Net etc. Seriously, I have always assumed he's American or Canadian. To my knowledge he's never worked on this side of the pond (or I haven't noticed him, is it possible?...) Any Jeremy fans out there to put us right on this one?

WESTERN (Arami) Is Mr Northam a Brit, then? (Alicia)He seemed to have a convincing accent in Emma, the Net etc. (Arami) Seriously, I have always assumed he's American or Canadian. To my knowledge he's never worked on this side of the pond (or I haven't noticed him, is it possible?...) Any Jeremy fans out there to put us right on this one? Since there's a link at the beginning of drool to a Jeremy Northam home page, I thought I'd check it out. He's a Brit all right. Born in Cambridge, majored in English at London U, studied theatre at the Bristol Old Vic Theatre School. Has appeared in many Royal Natl Theatre and RSC productions. I did like him in Emma. Size of One's Feet (Arami) But not huge feet. Oh, no. His feet seem in very reasonable proportion. I'm just guessing, then, you've never heard what they say about the size of one's feet relative to other appendages ;-)) It was not meant to be critical, probably from some guys standpoint, it would be enviable. Is that a uniquely American observation? BIMBOS In addition to the brainless aspects, the American definition includes a certain laxity in morals. That's probably what I found most unusual for him to use in an interview. If I were he and a reporter used that term in referring to my fiance, I don't think I'd explain it away. I'd deck him. SQUISHY CHEST It's all a matter of degrees and I'm not saying where he ranks on the continuum of Pillsbury Doughboy (sorry, I couldn't think of anything else) to Arnold Schwartzenegger. Hey, I'm here, aren't I? I must think that there is something right with him, it's just not his upper body in most movies. As I said before, we get accustomed to seeing male bodies on TV/movies in the US look a certain way, except for on NYPD Blue when Dennis Franz bares his butt!!

NORTHAM Well, I never. I haven't heard of him working in films/TV over here at all. Obviously he belongs to Hollyweird now - a sort of duty Englishman, I guess...:) BIMBO As you can see, neither Colin nor I had any knowledge of the additional aspect of the American meaning of the word. In the interview it was he and not the journalist who apparently came up with the word first. FEET In the European tradition - at least in my case - it's the size on a man's nose... and Colin's isn't that huge after all... and in any case, they say it's not the size that matters, it's what he does with it... and none of his women close acquaintances have ever been heard complaining yet... HIS SQUISHY (?) CHEST... ...is quite enough for me. I definitely do not wish to see his pretty head perched on top of a beefy neck, monstrous arms and unnaturally overblown shoulders... He is totally from a different mould, a different category altogether... As Anthony Minghella said, Colin is delicate...

Okay, I must confess. I've done an extremely bad thing today. I went to the bookstore to buy a copy of Movieline. I looked through it and it was only one page! I was so disappointed. And I was very surprised to find out that he and Meg Tilly were an item once. I always assumed it was a brit. Then I saw a copy of Los Angeles magazine with the face of Ralph Fiennes plastered on it. I couldn't resist. Ralph Fiennes was my first love (well, the first time I fell hook, line, and sinker for an actor). I bought that instead of Movieline. I thought that I was over Ralph a long time ago but I guess it's a relapse now. I feel so guilty! I deserve to be stoned in the marketplace. I must have a Colin fix now to make up for my sin. Alicia, poor stupid girl. P.S. I mentioned before that I didn't like CF's smile, but the one in Movieline was great! And his feet are HUGE.

HIS SQUISHY (?) CHEST... Oh, I've missed so much - I've only been able to quickly scan the posts so I don't know where this topic started - but squishy?? I thought he looked pretty good in ATA, but then I'm pretty easy to please when it comes to his body. COLIN'S WESTERN Since I know nothing about makin' movies, can I be Colin's personal assistant, or personal photographer, or personal trainer??? :-D Karen, I think "JB" refers to Juliette Binoche - a fave of Renate's - guys let me know if I'm wrong. THE ADVOCATE AND PLAYMAKER I'm obviously watching the sexed-down versions of these movies (no fair!) - but with Bethan's very precise instructions, I'll try Playmaker again. ;-) SISKEL & EBERT I can't remember who asked about a post-P&P recommendation, but I'd also suggest Valmont for starters - someone also mentioned they didn't like his big toothy grin - as much as I love the Darcy brood, I dare anyone to complain about that smile after seeing Valmont - so sexy and playful - or Nan's Movieline photo (thank you, dearest!)! I'm with Nan on the next suggestion - Femme Fatale - there's so much to like about his performance here. He's positively edible, and then there's that scene in the grocery store...okay, and you all know I like the sex scenes in Playmaker, so there!! ;-p COLIN MOVIE DISCUSSION I'd also like to go along with Valmont as the next movie to discuss - I'm happy for any excuse. NORTHAM I couldn't resist - he's my second favorite Brit. You're right, Arami, he's not been in much. He was in a few obscure English things - A Village Affair, A Fatal Inversion - I even saw him on an old Poirot episode not long ago - before The Net. I'm extremely prejudiced, but he's been yummy in everything I've seen. COLIN'S "NOSE" (Arami)In the European tradition - at least in my case - it's the size of a man's nose... Well, I think his nose is perfect... and in any case, they say it's not the size that matters, it's what he does with it... and none of his women close acquaintances have ever been heard complaining yet... I find that very easy to believe, Arami, uh-oh, I feel a fantasy coming on...sigh!

CUP AND SAUCER (Bethan) Nan, oh Nan!! You're looking at the wrong shower scene. But...but...butt, how can it be the wrong shower scene if I actually saw something? :-.O Now this is my last word on the subject, so pay attention! Shower scene 2. Approximately 28-29 seconds into the scene, focus on the middle row of glass panels, third panel from the right. I cannot be more explicit without blushing :-)!! Well, I have followed your directions exactly and I still cannot see a blessed thing! I give up. I'll just have to take your word for it I'm afraid. NOSTROMO (Bethan) Karen, "Nostromo" deserves a second viewing, although it needed some tighter editing. And you do end up liking the beard (I did!). I liked the way he looked in Nostromo, especially the beard in his natural color no less. Which, not to confuse the "dark" issue appears quite light. PLAYMAKER (Arami) Can anyone describe EXACTLY what it is you think you can see? I've slo-moed back and forward until the tape started wearing thin and if you really think what I think you think you see through that thick distorting glass, then he's also got a pair of horns and she a tail... LOL! This is very true. See, Bethan I'm not the only one... THE ADVOCATE (THOTP) He is sitting and towelling his upper thighs (or... whatever!) - but you can only see him down to his waist. Can't see his lap at all. Waaaaaaaaaaah! Oh that isn't very fair, is it? But you guys got all the juicy stuff which I would very much like to see. CAMILLE He was very young, quite a solid performance, but not too powerful - and the adaptation was a little watery, perhaps. Not a lot to talk about, unless one is a real enthusiast...;-) Well, I hate to leave a stone unturned. Your comments are similar to what I've read about it, but I guess it couldn't be any worse than the "P" movie. ;-p SCANNER Congrats, Nan - can this thing enlarge?... Oh yeah, but that was just my first try at the scanner so I wasn't really sure what I was doing. I think it's one of those things you learn by trial and error. So when I get better at it, I'll be able to do all kinds of bee-yew-tee-ful things. FOR SHAME ALICIA! ;-p Movieline. I looked through it and it was only one page! I was so disappointed. Then I saw a copy of Los Angeles magazine with the face of Ralph Fiennes plastered on it. (snip) I bought that instead of Movieline. LOL! I think I can forgive you considering my propensity to bring up Kevin Costner and my lovely, balding brute of a hockey player. Glass houses you know...;-p COLIN'S WESTERN (Marilyn) Since I know nothing about makin' movies, can I be Colin's personal assistant, or personal photographer, or personal trainer??? :-D LOL! Doesn't matter what it is as long as it's personal, huh Marilyn? I say go for the masseuse job...;-D Karen, I think "JB" refers to Juliette Binoche - a fave of Renate's - guys let me know if I'm wrong. Yes, that's correct. COLIN MOVIE DISCUSSION I'd also like to go along with Valmont as the next movie to discuss - I'm happy for any excuse. Okeedokee. Valmont it is. Discussion begins next week--say Wednesday October 29. NORTHAM (Marilyn) I couldn't resist - he's my second favorite Brit. LOL! I was waiting for you to pounce on this. ;-D

TRUE CONFESSIONS (Alicia) Then I saw a copy of Los Angeles magazine with the face of Ralph Fiennes plastered on it. I couldn't resist...I bought that instead of Movieieline.... I feel so guilty! I deserve to be stoned in the marketplace. I must have a Colin fix now to make up for my sin. Well, if that's the worst thing that you've done, your penance is to watch "Playmaker" (is that the bad one??) three times!!!! BTW, no one gets over their first idol. Actually, I don't think I've ever lost my interest in any of them. It's just a question of intensity. THE ADVOCATE AND PLAYMAKER (Marilyn) I'm obviously watching the sexed-down versions of these movies (no fair!) OK, I know there are differences between American and European cuts of films. And there are different videotape protocols (PAL, NTSC). Does anyone sell the European versions here to buy? Or do they have to be converted? Now, I'm certainly not complaining about what I have seen so far in CF's movies because it's all quite nice and he obliges us so frequently, but if there is more, I hate feeling cheated!!! SISKEL & EBERT (Marilyn) I'm with Nan on the next suggestion - Femme Fatale - there's so much to like about his performance here. He's positively edible, and then there's that scene in the grocery store...okay, and you all know I like the sex scenes in Playmaker, so there!! ;-p Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! CUP AND SAUCER (Bethan) Nan, oh Nan!! You're looking at the wrong shower scene. (nan) But...but...butt, how can it be the wrong shower scene if I actually saw something? :-.O I gotta get this movie and a bigger TV set!!! NOSTROMO (nan) I liked the way he looked in Nostromo, especially the beard in his natural color no less. Which, not to confuse the "dark" issue appears quite light. Which is it, ladies? I originally thought he was in the strawberry blond family. You have all convinced me that he is naturally dark and curly. Now we are talking about a light beard? Now, who was it that was measuring the lengths of shirt tails and rationalizing their stuffing power? Perhaps, we could have a theory that hair grows in different shades on different parts of the body!!! And I'm not talking about grey hair. I'm getting so confused!!

I'm doin' a little test thingie--

CACA!! Again...

I shall conquer this!!

This is getting humiliating ;-.(

Well, that was worth the trouble now wasn't it? :-D I have no idea what happened to the bottom of the photo, but I'm getting closer anyway ;-p

THE FIRST (Karen)BTW, no one gets over their first idol. Actually, I don't think I've ever lost my interest in any of them. It's just a question of intensity. You're right,Karen. It is a matter of intensity. There are so many actors that I adore but I can only take one at time. I sometimes feel that I can't like real men because my head is in celebrity-dom. Anyway, this weekend I'm going to indulge myself in Colin videos (hopefully I'll have the time). Alicia

Nice work Nan, certain worth it!! Karen

MOVIELINE COLIN Ooooh, Nan, he's so pretty!! Thank you, dearest, it's workin' for me!! ;-) FEMME FATALE (Karen)Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! Oh, Karen, I'd guess everything melted - the heat that man generates!! ;-D I know I felt feverish and sweaty watching that little freezer dance! "OTHER" MEN (Nan)LOL! I think I can forgive you considering my propensity to bring up Kevin Costner and my lovely, balding brute of a hockey player. Glass houses you know...;-p Oh, my! Colin, Northam, Fiennes, Coster, and Nan's (yes, he's YOURS!) hockey beast - such lovely, happy thoughts!! Alicia, I'm finding Los Angeles AND Movieline tonight - I can think of few things more pleasing than spending an evening with Colin and Ralph - yummmm! COLIN'S WESTERN (Nan)Doesn't matter what it is as long as it's personal, huh Marilyn? I say go for the masseuse job...;-D LOL!! Oh, you know me too well, sister friend! ;-)

NAN... OOOOH, NAAAAN...!!!....

Welcome back, Arami, we have missed you and all your jucy tidbits. Now, does anyone know Jennifer Ely? She would have first hand information about the shirttale issue.; ) !!

(KarenR)Perhaps, we could have a theory that hair grows in different shades on different parts of the body!!! OK, I'm probably being an idiot, but for people with hair that tends to blonde or red, doesn't exposure to the sun have an effect on the color? And some parts, no matter how many nude scenes you do in movies, don't get as much exposure as others. Anyway, my husband has dark brown hair, but his mustache comes in red. So there is room for debate here. Whatever color is "natural," the man is a babe. Thanks for the photo, Nan.

"OTHER" MEN (Marilyn) Oh, my! Colin, Northam, Fiennes, Coster, and Nan's (yes, he's YOURS!) hockey beast - such lovely, happy thoughts!! mine, Mine, MINE!! ;-D MOVIELINE PHOTO (Arami)NAN... OOOOH, NAAAAN...!!!.... Big enough for you pal? ;-p THE HAIR COLOR ISSUE (KarenR)Perhaps, we could have a theory that hair grows in different shades on different parts of the body!!! Well now that's true. I know a couple of men who have dark hair, but light beards. I'm leaving for a little weekend trip...see you all on Monday. ;-)

LET THERE BE LIGHT (Lori) And some parts, no matter how many nude scenes you do in movies, don't get as much exposure as others. Toooo funny!!! So, all our future cinematic hopes for him are not going to result in lighter hair? ...So there is room for debate here. Whatever color is "natural," the man is a babe. I don't think anyone here will take the opposite side of a debate on your last comment. NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET... A while ago, I said I found it kind of difficult recasting movies because I have a tendency to identify actors with their roles. If an actor was miscast, then then the movie was probably bad and, hence, forgetable. So, I came up with a role for Colin based on a book that has not been made into a movie yet (but they gotta...it's soooooo good). The book is called Rose and its by Martin Cruz Smith, the author of Gorky Park. This one takes place around the turn of the century (could be on the 19th C part though, I'd have to go back and check). Colin would play Blair, a world-weary, malarial geologist type who had come back to England from Africa and then would engage in some Sherlock Holmesian activities in a coal mining town. While the Blair was born in this coal mining town in England, he was taken to America as a child. I don't think this is critical to the story. But Nan said I should explain why I would put Colin in the role, so here goes: A Bathing Scene!!! Which was true, although Blair was sure that she was far more attractive undressed than he was. He pulled off his boots and socks and stood shakily, supporting himself with the table to unbutton his shirt. Looking down, he saw how coal dust had collected down the center of his chest. He opened his pants and long johns and stepped out of them, feeling not so much bare as embarrassed. In the Gold Coast he had always been aware of how pale and scrawny he appeared. In Wigan, too, as it turned out. ***** Although her hands weren't broad, they were strong, and when she washed his neck he let his head loll back drunkenly. In the mirror by the stairs he saw himself, tub and her. Her hair was loose and wild: all she needed in it, he thought, was a briar rose to be a muse of summer. Add a lute and a silvery stream and she could be a model. Between the steam and and washing him, she was almost as wet as he was, damp muslin clinging to her arms. Her hair brushed his cheek. It was the sort of deep brown tha became red with the looking. No fizzy orange but threads of sable, copper, sienna, gold. She poured more water over him to sponge his chest. It was the heat of the water combined with the gin in his veins, but he felt himself start to harden. The tub water wasn't so soapy that she couldn't see. He was astounded and ashamed. The rest of him was bruised and dead, yet this single part was unmistakably alive, rising like Lazarus, a traitor from the water. He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip, a circular motion repeated by her breasts against his back. From their friction he became aware that they had stiffened, too. Can't you just see him in that tub? Does anyone want to hear more????? (I hope there aren't any 12-year olds around.) Actually, you've already seen the most graphic description!! But the rest, hmmmmmm

CAREER CHOICES There was precious little there to showcase Colin's range and abilities, but I don't think it will damage him in any way. I suspect that, as far as Hollywood is concerned, he is quite content to jog along (like Jess!) as a reliable and capable supporting actor until maybe he gets something he really likes. It is frustrating for us that he seems in no hurry - in three years he'll be 40! but personally I'm a loyal fan and accept his choice. Remember, according to his own words, he isn't having a career - hs simply doing a job honestly and as well as he can... (Arami) I meant to comment on this earlier, Arami. I agree with you.. I REALLY want to see him in the roles he deserves (no more cameos, please, my fast-forward button will be worn out!) but I sometimes wonder what sort of offers he's had from Hollywood, and what his range of choices is like. I still get the feeling that he continues to be underestimated as an actor, even, or perhaps especially, in the UK. I want to see MORE, much MORE of him, and in strong dramatic roles which really stretch him and allow his ta ents as an actor to be fully recognised. Maybe more work in television/theatre? I think that he's trying his best to be involved in high quality work, but it must be difficult always to make the right choices. Perhaps his "career" will follow more along the lines of Ian Holm - King Lear and lots of good supporting roles in quality movies. I think that Colin said somewhere that his favourite American actor was Robert Duvall - again an excellent supporting actor rather than a movie star. BTW why does it always say in Colin's FAQ that Hollywood is interested in him for the role of Sherlock Holmes. Is this true? It has possibilities. A QUESTION OF POSITION What exactly is in the missing 15 minutes in the Advocate, which audiences in the US are deemed too delicate to see. I suppose I can guess! The Advocate is very versatile! I remember watching HOTP and being momentarily shocked :-) Now nice Mr Darcy would never have done anything like that (or would he?)!!! SHOWER SCENE I see what I see. And if I'm the only one, well tough luck!! The rest of you will have to carry on gazing at his nose or his feet, or whatever... :-) I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR HIM Nowadays I seem to be the only Colin fan who doesn't care much about other actors (Arami) I am very telescopic in my obsession - only HIM! And I won't change my loyalties Have a nice weekend, Nan, and thanks for the photo! Well scanned!

(Bethan) I remember watching HOTP and being momentarily shocked :-) Now nice Mr Darcy would never have done anything like that (or would he?)!!! Can you give us a little hint as to what Mr. Darcy might not have done? Is there a US source to buy these European versions of films? Karen R, the book Rose (no pun intended) by Smith sounds absolutely delightful! I could vividly imagine CF in that scene. Has this book been out very long? (Arami) There were several shirts made for different scenes and Crispin Bonham-Carter confirms that he had to wear his "like a nappy" (diaper in US-speak) AND that Colin was jealous of the shape of his (Crispin's)groin. They must be jesting! CF jealous of CBC? Well, that was before they saw the final cut! As in everything else, they (Davies & Co., plus JA) made Darcy superior to Bingley; there'd be no way they'd let it be otherwise in this sense! If CBC was, the camera didn't catch it or it was left on the cutting room floor. The light pants that CF wore helped alot, too. With dark fabric, any shadows created by "form" disappears. Love those light pants!!! (Bethan) Nan, oh Nan!! You're looking at the wrong shower scene. Now this is my last word on the subject, so pay attention! Shower scene 2. Approximately 28-29 seconds into the scene, focus on the middle row of glass panels, third panel from the right. I cannot be more explicit without blushing :-)!! But once you've seen it, you see it every time! And I don't even scrutinise these kind of scenes very carefully :-) Exactly what kind of equipment are we talking about .... It must have to do with size and heads. Bethan, how many heads does your VCR have? Is it VHS or what? What size is your TV screen? This discussion (some see it, some don't) is all very vexing. It motivates me to drastically upgrade my electronic equipment rather getting the cheapest things at CostCo. Has anyone seen CF in "The Secret Garden" (Hallmark Hall of Fame version)? It was filmed 10 years ago, and there are shades of Colin in that boy (for the two minutes he was in it, all at the very end), but it was positively painful to watch him walk, as he was hobbling from a war wound. Painful because we know just how delectably he can walk naturally (e.g., downhill after the pond scene in P&P2). He was very "clean-cut" looking, in uniform, and reminded me of The Jock in "The Breakfast Club" (Emilio E tevez). His hair was a non-descript shade of brown. It was cut fairly short, but had definite hints of waviness, not curly, but I imagine it could get a little curly when long enough and humid enough. But, he was wearing light pants with high boots, and his voice, definitely CF. The whole scene consisted of him kissing Mary, proposing to her, and kissing her again. End of movie. He must have been 26 or 27 at the time. How did he support himself with these few and tiny little roles early in his care r? (Oh, sorry, with this "job".) Thanks for the info on how to do italics, etc. I'll see if I did it right.

(Arami) It is frustrating for us that he seems in no hurry - in three years he'll be 40! I just saw "A Month in the Country" and Colin must have been 26 in it. And I must say that he is aging rather well. Other actors growing handsomer by the minute: Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, and Jeff Bridges. Alicia

Claudia: How did he support himself with these few and tiny little roles early in his career? Who said they were few and tiny? He has been in virtually constant demand since leaving drama school in 1983 and has always been busy, even if not always taking leading roles. Have you seen Friends of Firth web site, Claudia? Such links as FAQ or Internet Movie Database also give lots of useful info.

Is he just too stunning for words, or what? ;-D

So lovely, isn't he? At some point I will get used to the syntax and I'll get it right the firthst time ;-)

BTW, I should like to say that I did not scan the above 2 photos. The excellent Renate was good enough to send them to me...are they not toooooo gorgeous? ;-)

Bravo.

I had to take a break for some days, but now I'm back and I hope you like what I brought along.... do you like it? These both portraits are my top favourites, together with the "beer-picture" and the "Happy Man in Black"! I'll try the beer-pic. (Courtesy to Picture Gallery of Republic of Pemberley) BTW, today is Fever Pitch Day! Oct. 27 is release date of the PAL videotapes.

TRUE CONFESSIONS (Alicia) ...I bought that instead of Movieieline.... I feel so guilty! I deserve to be stoned in the marketplace. I must have a Colin fix now to make up for my sin. (Karen) Well, if that's the worst thing that you've done, your penance is to watch "Playmaker" (is that the bad one??) three times!!!! Penance indeed. Ugh! BTW, no one gets over their first idol. Actually, I don't think I've ever lost my interest in any of them. It's just a question of intensity. I agree, I still have a little Shaun Cassidy thing going ;-p THE ADVOCATE AND PLAYMAKER (Karen) Does anyone sell the European versions here to buy? Or do they have to be converted? They have to be converted I'm afraid--can't buy the European versions here. ;-( SISKEL & EBERT (Marilyn) He's positively edible, and then there's that scene in the grocery store...okay, and you all know I like the sex scenes in Playmaker, so there!! ;-p ...she said defiantly. LOL! ;-) (Karen) Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! Oh that scene just makes me wild!! Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET... (Karen) The book is called Rose and its by Martin Cruz Smith, the author of Gorky Park. (snip) A Bathing Scene!!! Which was true, although Blair was sure that she was far more attractive undressed than he was. He pulled off his boots and socks and stood shakily, supporting himself with the table to unbutton his shirt. Looking down, he saw how coal dust had collected down the center of his chest. He opened his pants and long johns and stepped out of them, feeling not so much bare as embarrassed. In the Gold Coast he had always been aware of how pale and scrawny he appeared. In Wigan, too, as it turned out. Oh my Karen!! This is tooooo juicy...I just love the coal dust collecting on his chest--yum! Although her hands weren't broad, they were strong, and when she washed his neck he let his head loll back drunkenly What a vision that gave me!! (snip) Between the steam and and washing him, she was almost as wet as he was, damp muslin clinging to her arms. (snip) She poured more water over him to sponge his chest. It was the heat of the water combined with the gin in his veins, but he felt himself start to harden. The tub water wasn't so soapy that she couldn't see. He was astounded and ashamed. The rest of him was bruised and dead, yet this single part was unmistakably alive, rising like Lazarus, a traitor from the water. He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip, a circular motion repeated by her breasts against his back. From their friction he became aware that they had stiffened, too. Merciful heavens...don't stop now! "Lazarus" - LOL! ;-) I think we shall have to build a dam somewhere on the firthlands to hold back to the rising drool flood... Can't you just see him in that tub? Does anyone want to hear more????? Not only can I see him in that tub, but I see ME in that tub as well...;-D A QUESTION OF POSITION (Bethan) What exactly is in the missing 15 minutes in the Advocate, which audiences in the US are deemed too delicate to see. I suppose I can guess! I heard that there is a beach strolling scene and that the scenes with the gypsy (I can never remember her name--my short term memory is shot ladies) are longer. SHOWER SCENE (Bethan) I see what I see. And if I'm the only one, well tough luck!! The rest of you will have to carry on gazing at his nose or his feet, or whatever... :-) Or his "horns" as the case may be ;-p GREEN-EYED COLIN (Claudia) They must be jesting! CF jealous of CBC? Well, that was before they saw the final cut! I've read that quote too and I cannot imagine what Colin meant. I never even noticed CBC's breeches. Thought never even crossed my mind to look... (Claudia) Exactly what kind of equipment are we talking about .... It must have to do with size and heads. Bethan, how many heads does your VCR have? Is it VHS or what? What size is your TV screen? This discussion (some see it, some don't) is all very vexing. It motivates me to drastically upgrade my electronic equipment rather getting the cheapest things at CostCo. LOL!! I think that whoever mentioned the difference in PAL vs. NTSB format was correct. It's probably something inherent to those formats. The things I mentioned (the swatch of blue underwear in Femme Fatale and the er...treasure trail in The Advocate) can be seen in the US versions but apparently not in the European. I think that whatever Bethan is seeing in the shower scene in (ugh!) Playmaker is just her excellent eyesight! ;-) Has anyone seen CF in "The Secret Garden" (Hallmark Hall of Fame version)? I have seen it and he is such a little cutie. You know you're a Colin fan when you go to the trouble of renting a movie in which he appears for all of 2 minutes. :-) but it was positively painful to watch him walk, as he was hobbling from a war wound. Painful because we know just how delectably he can walk naturally I remember thinking the same thing when I saw Tumbledown (where he's kind of dragging one leg). It was painful to see. AGING (Alicia) I just saw "A Month in the Country" and Colin must have been 26 in it. And I must say that he is aging rather well. Other actors growing handsomer by the minute: Sean Connery, Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, and Jeff Bridges. LOL! Strange you should pick those men to mention--we've all said the same thing--that these men are getting better looking. Too funny. You're definitely in the right place Alicia ;-)

PICTURES Oh, what a cutie!!! especially those b&w ones. Keep'm coming!! Why can't the American media see what we see? They must be blind as bats. BTW, should I be able to print from here? All I ever get is the little response box. CAREER CHOICES (lizbeth) I want to see MORE, much MORE of him, and in strong dramatic roles which really stretch him and allow his talents as an actor to be fully recognised. Maybe more work in television/theatre? I think that he's trying his best to be involved in high quality work, but it must be difficult always to make the right choices. He's seems to have the right stuff upstairs (just look at how this guy interprets his roles--right on the money), so I don't think that it's a question of his choices. Maybe he's just not getting the right offers. He needs a better agent!!! ...that Hollywood is interested in him for the role of Sherlock Holmes. Is this true? It has possibilities. I hope not. Anyway, is there a need? Who was it? Jeremy Brett, I think, was just plain marvelous in the last series. THE STUFF DREAMS ARE MADE OF (Claudia) If CBC was, the camera didn't catch it or it was left on the cutting room floor. The light pants that CF wore helped alot, too. With dark fabric, any shadows created by "form" disappears. Love those light pants!!! I hope nothing else of such significance was left on the cutting room floor!! Hmmmmmm...the color of the pants...a new theory. Definitely better than diapers or nappies!! Although, I do like the stuffing contest. What article described the stuffing contest between CF and CBC? I must read it. Does it have any pictures? measurements? materials used? NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET (Claudia) The book Rose (no pun intended) by Smith sounds absolutely delightful! I could vividly imagine CF in that scene. Has this book been out very long? I believe it came out either at the end of last year or at the beginning of this year. I think it is now in paperback. It is actually quite good and quite different from his other novels. (nan) Not only can I see him in that tub, but I see ME in that tub as well...;-D Ok, here's the rest of the bathing scene. Go get the book, there are a couple of other scenes, which in "drool parlance" could potentially be called the "yarn dance" scene!! Oh yeah, another reason CF would be great in this is that he could do it with the Darcy five o'clock shadow. and now back to our story... He felt his blood pound, but Rose didn't break contact, as if they were both mesmerized and complicit in the steady rhythmic motion of the sponge in her hand and the heat of the stove. ***** He felt her breath on his neck as her hand came to a stop. He was amazed that through the pain and gin he could be so aware of her touch, of her heartbeat through the slight tremor of her breast, the very air of her. ***** They were trapped like two people who had encountered each other in the dark, neither wishing to back away. He felt her soft exhalation and the brush of her hair on the side of his cheek. The sponge in her hand rest motionlessly on his thigh. He didn't know who would have moved first if Flo hadn't returned. "Success," she announced as she marched down the stairs, oversized pants hanging from one hand and cap and shapeless jacket in the other. "Everythin' but a silk scarf." Immediately Blair felt himself subside into uncomplicated pain. Rose sat back silently and wiped her brow while Flo bustled around the kitchen. Blair didn't understand what had transpired, but he did know that the moment was gone and that without its tension he was progressively more drunk. Rose got to her feet and gave the sponge to Flo. "Dry him, dress him, take him back t'his hotel." She untied her apron and went up the stairs that Flo had just come down. "Sure." Flo was surprised by Rose's retreat but still full of momentum. She said to Blair, "Your shoes are full o' muck, but you can wear clogs." "Great." It was his last coherent word.

SISKEL & EBERT & FROZEN PEAS (Karen) Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! (Nan) Oh that scene just makes me wild!! Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) Playing with food again? :-)) A QUESTION OF POSITION (Bethan) What exactly is in the missing 15 minutes in the Advocate, which audiences in the US are deemed too delicate to see. I suppose I can guess! (Nan) I heard that there is a beach strolling scene and that the scenes with the gypsy (I can never remember her name--my short term memory is shot ladies) are longer. I have only seen the European Version, and the only scene I thought rather explicit is the romping around with Maria (BTW, did I already mention that my middle name is Maria? No kidding! :-))) and ruining the bed in the course of their activities. Other potential for editing, I list some scenes, you say if you remember: There was the dream sequence, when a young couple, stark raving naked, tied to each other, are attacked and hunted down by horsemen or something. * When Courtois wakes up, and Maria comments on his nice dream, before she undresses and then joins him, and they exercise some "positions". Explicit noise to hear outside of the house. * Courtois signing Marias bare butt. * Several bare butts, male and female in the bathing house scene. * Full frontal nudity of the daughter with the hysteric laughter (can' remember her name) * Bare breasts in close up on the party on the castle. * Bare breast of Jeannine the witch. Come to think of it, quite a lot of skin in this film, indeed, and nothing obscured by glass bricks. :-) Did I forget something important? The scenes with Samira were rather tame, IMO, as far as I remember. . And the nude scene by the river: what would they want to edit: miles away, and branches and leaves obscuring the sight. Anything that you NTSCler did not see? PICTURES (Karen) BTW, should I be able to print from here? All I ever get is the little response box. ???? Don't understand your question. Can you explain a bit? LIFE IN DOWNING STREET NO 10 ? "Sure." Flo was surprised by Rose's retreat but still full of momentum. She said to Blair, "Your shoes are full o' muck, but you can wear clogs." "Great." It was his last coherent word.before he left to meet Helmut and Bill for an agrarian summit.

.....butt. * Several bare butts, male and female in the bathing house scene. * Full frontal nudity of the daughter with the hysteric laughter (can' remember her name) * Bare breasts in close up on the party on the castle. * Bare breast of Jeannine the witch. No, I can't!!! Don't argue with me, Tom Yapp-bin!

PICTURES (Karen) Oh, what a cutie!!! especially those b&w ones. Keep'm coming!! I really, really like that dark, serious one. I was getting all goosebumpy just playing with the picture in photoshop (blowing it up, making it sketchy). Oh just peel me off the ceiling!;-) (Karen) BTW, should I be able to print from here? All I ever get is the little response box. Yes, you should be able to print them. If you can't get it to work, I can send them via email and you can try printing from that if you'd like. CAREER CHOICES (Karen)Maybe he's just not getting the right offers. He needs a better agent!!! I nominate Renate! ;-) NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET (nan) Not only can I see him in that tub, but I see ME in that tub as well...;-D (Karen) Ok, here's the rest of the bathing scene. Go get the book, there are a couple of other scenes, which in "drool parlance" could potentially be called the "yarn dance" scene!! Damned straight I'm getting the book! ;-D The sponge in her hand rest motionlessly on his thigh. He didn't know who would have moved first if Flo hadn't returned. "motionlessly on his thigh"--oh sure, maybe I might stop moving at a time like that.;-p Rose got to her feet and gave the sponge to Flo. "Dry him, dress him, take him back t'his hotel." 'Strip him, bathe him and bring him to my tent' ;-p Oooh I really liked that one Karen. Good choice! SISKEL & EBERT & FROZEN PEAS (Nan) Oh that scene just makes me wild!! Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) (Renate) Playing with food again? :-)) It's the same as the ice cubes ;-O A QUESTION OF POSITION (Renate)I have only seen the European Version, and the only scene I thought rather explicit is the romping around with Maria That scene was kind of explicit, but too comic to be really hot I thought. There was the dream sequence, when a young couple, stark raving naked, tied to each other, are attacked and hunted down by horsemen or something. I don't think I recall that one, but it's been a while. * When Courtois wakes up, and Maria comments on his nice dream, before she undresses and then joins him, and they exercise some "positions". Explicit noise to hear outside of the house. * Yep, that one made it in to both versions I guess. Courtois signing Marias bare butt. Don't remember that one, but again, I haven't seen it in a while. * Several bare butts, male and female in the bathing house scene. * Full frontal nudity of the daughter with the hysteric laughter (can't remember her name) * Bare breasts in close up on the party on the castle. * Yes to all. The scenes with Samira were rather tame, IMO, as far as I remember. . And the nude scene by the river: what would they want to edit: miles away, and branches and leaves obscuring the sight. Hmmm...there is no scene by the river. The only scene with Samira is very tame--so tame it's dull. LIFE IN DOWNING STREET NO 10 ? (Renate)...before he left to meet Helmut and Bill for an agrarian summit. LOL! Wiseass...;-p

THE PICS Absolutely delicious! Oh, baby, he looks sooooooooooo good. Where do the B&W photos come from? FIRST IDOL BTW, no one gets over their first idol. Actually, I don't think I've ever lost my interest in any of them. It's just a question of intensity. (Nan)I agree, I still have a little Shaun Cassidy thing going ;-p ROTFLMAO! :-P

THE PICS (Alicia) Where do the B&W photos come from? They are from the April 97 issue of Empire...I can't take the beauty, tis too much! ;-)... ;-)..... ;-)........ FIRST IDOL (Nan) I agree, I still have a little Shaun Cassidy thing going ;-p (Alicia) ROTFLMAO! :-P Oh yeah I laugh about it now, but he was the living end when I was 12! My first true lust obsession. 1978, Madison Square Garden, Shaun wearing all white satin doing his best to look sexy--ooh it was too much for my blossoming hormones! The beginnings of drooldom ;-D BTW, Shirley Jones sobbed through a good portion of that show; at the time I had no idea why--now it's just too cute ;-) Okay ladies, spill it--I've confessed my shameful teeny bopper secret--your turn...

opic 51 of 64 [drool]: Colin Firth Response 370 of 374: Renate (Renata) * Mon, Oct 27, 1997 (21:06) * 41 lines FROZEN PEAS (Karen) Edible...grocery store LOL!!!! How many degrees do you think the temperature rose in the freezer compartment after he pushed her up against it!! (Nan) Oh that scene just makes me wild!! Yooo-hooo, Colin--come push me against the frozen peas...;-) (Renate) Playing with food again? :-)) Do I have my choice as what I want to play with? ;-D A QUESTION OF POSITION (Bethan) What exactly is in the missing 15 minutes in the Advocate, which audiences in the US are deemed too delicate to see. I suppose I can guess! (Renate) There was the dream sequence, when a young couple, stark raving naked, tied to each other, are attacked and hunted down by horsemen or something. * When Courtois wakes up, and Maria comments on his nice dream, before she undresses and then joins him, and they exercise some "positions". Is this different from the naked people being hunted dream scene at the beginning? (Renate) Explicit noise to hear outside of the house. * What explicit noise? I haven't received my own personal copy of The Advocate yet, otherwise, I'd just do a FF. (Renate)The scenes with Samira were rather tame, IMO, as far as I remember. . PRINTING Nan, maybe this belongs on your "Drool Help Topic" because nothing except the little response box ever appears when I hit Print. I'm talking about not just pictures, but text as well. Also, if there aren't any "new" messages and I want to get into the topic, I change the instruction to Last 7 Days, but it reloads back to the beginning of September, which means it takes forever with all those full-color pictures in there. Am I the only one with this problem? Am I doing something wrong? I mean this is not the end of the world because I can't print (it will save some trees though). I view it as a mere inconvenience. Go ahead and e-mail them to me, Nan, but what do I need to view them in?? What app? LIFE IN DOWNING STREET NO 10 ? "Sure." Flo was surprised by Rose's retreat but still full of momentum. She said to Blair, "Your shoes are full o' muck, but you can wear clogs." "Great." It was his last coherent word.... before he left to meet Helmut and Bill for an agrarian summit. Oh, dear Renate. Does this mean that they won't make this wonderful book in to a movie starring CF because of his name because the same as the PM's :-(( Time for a reelection, then. Priorities, priorities!! Here in the US, we don't give a damn about such stuff...."Primary Colors" should be in theaters soon. BTW, I saw some clips of that and Travolta is amazing...so Clintonlike. And Emma, could she look more like Hillary, I think not!! NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET (nan) "motionlessly on his thigh"--oh sure, maybe I might stop moving at a time like that.;-p Actually, my thoughts were: Damn that Flo, why did she have to show up!!! And Then that last line: "Great." It was his last coherent word. Yours too!!! Huh, Nan???? :-)))) 'Strip him, bathe him and bring him to my tent' ;-p Precisely!! (nan) Oooh I really liked that one Karen. Good choice! Nan, do you need a cold towel? a shower? more buckets? So glad you liked my excerpts. I think I'll have to check what other "great" books of literature are lurking in those boxes in my living room. Let me know what you think about the book. Whether you agree with me that CF would be great in that role. FIRST IDOL (Nan)I agree, I still have a little Shaun Cassidy thing going ;-p (Alicia) ROTFLMAO! :-P (nan) Okay ladies, spill it--I've confessed my shameful teeny bopper secret--your turn... Shaun Cassidy kind of dates you. How about Paul McCartney???? (I was a preteeny bopper, but had an older sister...when they first landed on our shores.) He was the one!! I found boxes of stuff about the Beatles and especially Paul in the basement of my parents' home when we sold it. I didn't throw it away. Then, there were the dead guys, like James Dean and Clark Gable, and the James Dean lookalike Christopher Jones (bet you never heard of him). I've never outgrown this kind of stuff!! But, as a m ture adult, my interest in a cutie like Colin would only manifest itself in watching one of his movies if I saw it listed in the TV Guide or such...until I landed here, that is!! Let's hear'm, ladies.

LEST YOU FORGET... Tomorrow, we begin our Valmont droolcussion. Dust off the old tape or run out to the video store.

PRINTING (Karen) maybe this belongs on your "Drool Help Topic" because nothing except the little response box ever appears when I hit Print. I'm talking about not just pictures, but text as well. Yes, I've heard of other people having the same problem. We were never really able to determine the cause. However, if you just want to print text the easiest thing would be to copy and paste onto a word document or notepad and print from there. Also, if there aren't any "new" messages and I want to get into the topic, I change the instruction to Last 7 Days, but it reloads back to the beginning of September, which means it takes forever with all those full-color pictures in there. Oooh, I hate when that happens! ;-) In order to avoid the long loading time we usually come in through "the back door". On your address/URL line change change the "browse" to read and change "all" to 51. That will get you into the topic but you'll only see a response box. From there you can back up using the redisplay. The problem with this is you have to remember the approximate number of the last response. NOT IN YOUR THEATRES YET (nan) "motionlessly on his thigh"--oh sure, maybe I might stop moving at a time like that.;-p (Karen) Actually, my thoughts were: Damn that Flo, why did she have to show up!!! And Then that last line: "Great." It was his last coherent word. Yours too!!! Huh, Nan???? :-)))) Tis true--grunting in frustration I was! ;-D Flo needs a smack for ruining my fun ;-p (Karen) Nan, do you need a cold towel? If I were to wish for something, I don't believe a cold towel would be my first choice ;-) a shower? Alone? more buckets? One can never have too many buckets...speaking of which, where's Arami? So glad you liked my excerpts. I think I'll have to check what other "great" books of literature are lurking in those boxes in my living room. Oh please do--that was a splashy one! ;-D Let me know what you think about the book. Whether you agree with me that CF would be great in that role. I already agree. I'm just going to read the book for a cheap thrill. ;-p FIRST IDOL (Karen) How about Paul McCartney???? (snip) He was the one!! I found boxes of stuff about the Beatles and especially Paul in the basement of my parents' home when we sold it. I didn't throw it away. Good decision--valuable stuff. I understand the Paul McCartney attraction, though I can't say I ever felt that way about him myself. I never really drooled over anyone that was too popular (Elvis, The Beatles, David Cassidy--seems a sacrilege to include DC in that list, but he was enormously popular at one time). Shaun was only a little famous and for a very short time. I like the quasi-popular treasures, hence my devotion to Mr. Sexy Pants. ;-) Then, there were the dead guys, like James Dean and Clark Gable, and the James Dean lookalike Christopher Jones (bet you never heard of him). Well, you've got me with Christopher Jones. ;-)

Shameful but true...at a time in life when I should have been idolizing Bobby Sherman or some such person, I had a bad crush on Jack Lord (of Hawaii 5-0 fame). Now that everything old is new again, that show is on in reruns on Family channel. And yes, I watched, and AAARGH! The show itself is embarrassingly bad, Mr. Lord's hair is embarrassingly bad, and his acting when tisn't wooden is just plain laughable. Will you guys ever allow me to come here again?

FIRST IDOLS Okay, this is gonna date me, too, I'm afraid - and I've already admitted this guilty pleasure to Nan - but my first love was Joe Namath. His "fu-manchu" moustache did for me what Shaun's white satin did for Nan. ;-) Embarassingly enough, I still get swoony whenever I see one of his Desinex ads on TV - now that's devotion!! Karen - Who's Christopher Jones? I'm stumped! BLACK & WHITE COLIN He's so devastingly beautiful - smooches to Nan and Renate for sharing such lovely photos - they actually made me whimper! TEP Did Colin's Geoffrey not make your heart ache?? Ralph was beautiful, but Colin's performance seemed even more brilliant to me the second time around. MISC. STUFF I'm still trying to track down the 1992 Wuthering Heights - Blockbuster must only have one copy and it's been out since it was released and my trusty local video store doesn't even carry it. Anyway, does Jonathan Firth have a substantial role? I read the book ages ago, but saw both the Timothy Dalton (sigh) and Laurence Olivier versions fairly recently, and still can't recall the character JF plays. Looking forward to our Valmont discussion tomorrow...I have to say he's pretty darn sexy from start to finish - whether he's composing letters, or dancing, or sweeping Meg up in his arms - yes, he earns his Mr. Sexy Pants moniker in this one!! ;-)

(Karen) Why can't the American media see what we see? They must be blind as bats. And yet his best new photos are in the American publications, vide Vogue and Movieline... I liked their reference to him as The Patient Englishman... Is this true that Hollywood is interested in him for the role of Sherlock Holmes? So they say. However, I reckon HE is not interested in that role. The book Rose by Smith sounds absolutely delightful! Couldn't someone scan the rest of those particularly juicy pages here ;-)? (Renate)did I mention that my middle name is Maria? No kidding! :-))) Really?... You don't say...;-) (Nan)The only scene with Samira is very tame--so tame it's dull. It's the only sex scene I recall in which Colin is seen in the missionary position... Boooooriiiiiiiing! In order to avoid the long loading time we usually come in through "the back door". On your address/URL line change change the "browse" to read and change "all" to 51... Or try this: http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/read/drool/51/new it will also show new (unread) posts - then you can "redisplay" back to whatever number you wish. (Nan)One can never have too many buckets...speaking of which, where's Arami? Lurking, mostly. Avoiding buckets...

Erections, anyone? We had to take this thread off the P&P board to keep our PG-13 status. Nan, I hope you don't mind my exporting it here. Please accept my apologies if I'm imposing, and get rid of it -- or pass it on again! Please don't respond at Pemberley, anybody. Our teacher friends thank you. Have fun. . Firth/ Darcy categories - Jane 5 11:34:18 10/25/97 (20) More suggestions - Heide 16:59:58 10/26/97 (0) Scenes - Dave 01:37:29 10/26/97 (2) Ah, yes! - Katherine 22:50:32 10/26/97 (0) Hi Dave - Helen 03:43:04 10/26/97 (0) re:Darcy to punch out someones lights - Kitty 23:56:57 10/25/97 (0) It depends upon what you mean... - Patrick 22:40:07 10/25/97 (3) Possible explanation? - MB 17:16:53 10/27/97 (1) Davies' Words - Claudia 15:23:48 10/28/97 (0) As the stereotypes say... - Helen 03:37:05 10/26/97 (0) Darcy would like... - Alicia 20:08:43 10/25/97 (2) Not just sex... - Haru 21:24:42 10/26/97 (1) Sex - Bill K 15:35:00 10/28/97 (0) "The Look" scene - Shannon 18:59:17 10/25/97 (0) Scenes - Claudia 14:47:17 10/25/97 (0) The dog scene, perhaps? :D - Luisa 12:00:36 10/25/97 (5) The Dog Scene (2) - Andrea H 11:16:11 10/26/97 (4) Not un-Austen - Amy 09:32:52 10/27/97 (2) Puppy Scene in Emma? - Trina 10:44:12 10/28/97 (0) Jane Austen heroine plays with dog in book.... - The Mysterious H.C. 13:48:03 10/27/97 (0) Critics, schmitics! (or whatever) ;-) (Nfm) - Luisa 12:45:53 10/26/97 (0)

Sorry. That was really stupid. Those links won't work at all. I don't know what I was thinking.

Ooh Amy, I was just about to get all excited about that too...;-p

Ooh Amy, I was just about to hit those links...bummer, I was looking forward to some good erection stories too;-p

Well that was weird...the first time it didn't work, so I decided to change my wording and try again and then both of them showed up. Bizarre. See, even the software got all excited about the erections...

Ooh Amy, I was just about to hit those links...bummer, I was looking forward to some good erection stories too;-p

Getting stranger and stranger--I did not submit that last one. ;-(

Good. Glad you don't mind. This should work: Firth/ Darcy categories - Jane 5 11:34:18 10/25/97 (20) More suggestions - Heide 16:59:58 10/26/97 (0) Scenes - Dave 01:37:29 10/26/97 (2) Ah, yes! - Katherine 22:50:32 10/26/97 (0) Hi Dave - Helen 03:43:04 10/26/97 (0) re:Darcy to punch out someones lights - Kitty 23:56:57 10/25/97 (0) It depends upon what you mean... - Patrick 22:40:07 10/25/97 (3) Possible explanation? - MB 17:16:53 10/27/97 (1) Davies' Words - Claudia 15:23:48 10/28/97 (0) As the stereotypes say... - Helen 03:37:05 10/26/97 (0) Darcy would like... - Alicia 20:08:43 10/25/97 (2) Not just sex... - Haru 21:24:42 10/26/97 (1) Sex - Bill K 15:35:00 10/28/97 (0) "The Look" scene - Shannon 18:59:17 10/25/97 (0) Scenes - Claudia 14:47:17 10/25/97 (0) The dog scene, perhaps? :D - Luisa 12:00:36 10/25/97 (5) The Dog Scene (2) - Andrea H 11:16:11 10/26/97 (4) Not un-Austen - Amy 09:32:52 10/27/97 (2) Puppy Scene in Emma? - Trina 10:44:12 10/28/97 (0) Jane Austen heroine plays with dog in book.... - The Mysterious H.C. 13:48:03 10/27/97 (0) Critics, schmitics! (or whatever) ;-) (Nfm) - Luisa 12:45:53 10/26/97 (0)

BROODING BLONDES I think I may have found a brooding blonde. I just saw "A Room with a View" and Julian Sands seemed to be brooding quite a bit. I really like this movie. It's got 3 of the most good-looking Brits: Julian Sands, Rupert Graves, and Daniel Day Lewis. If only Colin Firth were in it!

FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO Lack of time is turning me into a lurker, but I must say that I have just got the video of FP. I normally find that I prefer watching movies as videos, and this is no exception. So much that I missed! Perfectly charming, funny and very well acted. Lots of favourite scenes but I have to mention the scene in the car when he smiles at Sarah. Not a half smile, not a broad grin, just a lovely warm smile, which I haven't seen before in any of his movies. Worth the �14.99 for that alone!

Oh, my!! Did I cause that thread to be thrown out of RofP? All I did was give a more precise explanation to answer Patrick's and quote Davies, who used the word "er*****n", which is how I tried to delicately put it. I was having some hesitation about that thread from the day it appeared, but everyone was getting on a roll. Gosh, I'm really sorry. Couldn't they have just deleted my post? Tell Amy I'll really try to be more careful over there in the future. My apologies.

Okay ladies...today we talk about... VALMONT Go to it ;-.)

TEP (Marilyn) Did Colin's Geoffrey not make your heart ache?? Ralph was beautiful, but Colin's performance seemed even more brilliant to me the second time around. Maybe, I'll have to give this another try, probably on a Tuesday night when rentals are 99 cents! I am on record (and I shall not back off) of not liking this movie, thinking it was way, way, way overrated, and RF does absolutely nothing for me. I look at him and see a lizard. yuck! And then, the role that CF played. Fantasy, pure and simple. That anyone would cheat on him and with a lizardy person like RF???? Pure fantasy!!! NOT IN YOUR THEATERS YET (Arami) The book Rose by Smith sounds absolutely delightful! Couldn't someone scan the rest of those particularly juicy pages here ;-)? Just so you guys don't think that Rose is some kind of cheap Harlequin romance, here is Time's review from June 3, 1997 (reprinted without permission). Since most of us got here via P&P, I would think this review (which, for some reason, overlooks a droolable bathing scene, naked clog-clad kick boxers--good alliteration--or yarn dancing) would be intriguing enough!! "It is no surprise that Martin Cruz Smith, author of the Soviet-era Russia cop novel Gorky Park, has the most interesting and richly textured crime story of the season. What is unexpected about Rose is its setting: not the disorder of present-day Russia but the rigidly stratified society of a Welsh coal-mining town toward the end of the 19th century. As must be true in a period thriller, the setting drives the plot and makes the crime--in this case, the disappearance and presumed mur er of a young and idealistic clergyman--seem inevitable. As Smith tells it, the town of Wigan is a place of impacted resentments on the part of the miners and supercilious contempt on the part of the clan that owns the mine workings, ruled by a righteous and merciless cleric, Bishop Hannay. Into this nexus of bitterness and coal dust comes Jonathan Blair, a penniless, malarial and more than slightly gin-sodden African explorer. Blair, who was born in Wigan, would rather be anywhere else, but the wealth bishop, whose hobby is African exploration--this is the era of Burton, Speke and the Mountains of the Moon--has promised Blair a place on his next expedition if he finds the missing clergyman, who is also the fianc� of the bishop's daughter. It won't escape the notice of a modern reader that this overabundance of plot is appropriate to a Victorian novel, not merely to a tale set in Victorian times. So is the central puzzle, which involves not only the story of the naive young cleric but also the distinctly unusual relationship between snobbish Charlotte, the bishop's chilly daughter, and Rose, a lusty "pit girl," or woman miner. It should not be overlooked that Rose is the novel's title figure. Smith ending is not quite a hanky dampener, but it does bend a hard tale of murder and mine disaster a long way toward the never-never of historical romance. BTW, we shouldn't be too mad at poor ol' Flo. She was the one who brought Blair home so that he could be ministered to by our little Rose. I think Flo may have even drawn the water. But Blair undressed himself. Now, if I had been there, he wouldn't have had to do that himself. I could have lent a helping hand or two!!! See how perfect I would be for Wardrobe Mistress...me and articles of clothing--on or off, makes little difference to me. Now I think we have a potential rival bath scene for KC's in Bull Durham (which I too have watched over and over and over again)--the best--until maybe this???? He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip Wrong direction, dear!! Do you need glasses??? ...Blair felt himself subside into uncomplicated pain. Who else could do justice to this one?? Femme Fatale's near out-of-body experience would do nicely here. FIRST IDOL (nan) Well, you've got me with Christopher Jones ;-) (Marilyn) Who's Christopher Jones? I'm stumped! I knew that would stump you!!! I love it, a mystery man. (nan) I never really drooled over anyone that was too popular If you've never heard of him, then I guess he would meet your criteria. BTW, I do remember David Cassidy, but he never did anything for me...sort of reminded me of Davy Jones (no relation to my mystery man above). Oh, I got another one: Dean Martin, Jr. of Dino, Desi and Billy fame. Oh, that Dino, he was such a cute boy. I can't even remember when I last thought about these people. BROODING BLONDES (Alicia) I think I may have found a brooding blonde. I just saw "A Room with a View" and Julian Sands seemed to be brooding quite a bit. Not bad!! Got me thinking about Charles Dance, particulary in "Jewel in the Crown" and "White Mischief." FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Lizbeth) I have just got the video of FP...So much that I missed! Perfectly charming, funny and very well acted. Lots of favourite scenes but I have to mention the scene in the car when he smiles at Sarah. Not a half smile, not a broad grin, just a lovely warm smile, which I haven't seen before in any of his movies. Worth the �14.99 for that alone! This is torture!! Please make them stop, Nan!! Not only have you seen the movie on the big screen, now you have a video. This is, I repeat, not fair and and don't say that ATA makes up for it. Not the same; it was such a bad movie. This is torture!! POST-LYSOL TREATMENT (Claudia) Oh, my!! Did I cause that thread to be thrown out of RofP? All I did was give a more precise explanation to answer Patrick's and quote Davies, who used the word "er*****n", which is how I tried to delicately put it. I was having some hesitation about that thread from the day it appeared, but everyone was getting on a roll. Gosh, I'm really sorry. I haven't been posting on the P&P board because I've been preoccupied with the Library reading of Possession and who has the time. However, I saw the first post by Jane5 and thought that this could be fun. Then I read the posts and thought, have these people no imagination and then I realized some were missing. I am looking forward to reading the "deleted" posts. Thanks, Amy, for making them available to us!!! Don't be sorry, Claudia, there's way too much of that going on over there. VALMONT Just a little drool for now--more later!! Can I be his pen pal???? Huh, pleez!! Write me a letter, any time, any place!!!

Claudia, actually it was the direct reference to having an erection that Myretta and I felt put the thread over the PG limit, but don't feel bad about it. We used to have such lovely daggy talks in the early days that I rather long for them sometimes, but we don't want to get put on the NetNanny lists. Kathleen (Kaf's) whole domain -- including our chat room in the early days -- was blocked by SurfWatch for a time because of some of the Banderas material, and so we try real hard not to give the sex police any shred of ammunition. Anyway, your post may have put it over the top, but the thread, as a whole, was just itching to go that way. But, Karen, nothing was missing from the thread until last night at the moment I put the links over here instead.

FROZEN PEAS (Renate) Playing with food again? :-)) (Karen) Do I have my choice as what I want to play with? ;-D :-) Such as? A QUESTION OF POSITION Is this different from the naked people being hunted dream scene at the beginning? No, I meant that scene. Sorry, I apparently mixed it up. I don't owe the tape, and cannot check. (Renate) Explicit noise to hear outside of the house. * What explicit noise? (in synch) ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ough - ough - oooouuoohh aaaaaaahhhhhhh I haven't received my own personal copy of The Advocate yet, otherwise, I'd just do a FF. I'd love to do a bit of FF myself :-)). FIRST IDOL (Nan) ..... I like the quasi-popular treasures, Oh, yes. It's fun to make discoveries - spot the future star before the mass audience does. And then you sit there, lean back to cover your exitement, nod calmly, and say in a low voice with a weary expression: "Remember what I recommended 3 years ago, when we watched ................ together? You laughed about my Internet addiction? You have seen him before" "No, never!" "You did. The English Patient, Fever Pitch, A Thousand Acres..." "????" Ahhhh - I am waiting for that moment...... :-)) MOVIELINE (Arami) ...... I liked their reference to him as The Patient Englishman... Loved that, too. We should all mail to Movieline for a 'thank you'. (Renate)did I mention that my middle name is Maria? No kidding! :-))) Really?... You don't say...;-) Envious? :-)=) (Nan)The only scene with Samira is very tame--so tame it's dull. (Arami) It's the only sex scene I recall in which Colin is seen in the missionary position... Boooooriiiiiiiing! Samira is supposed to be a pagan, hence the missionary .... FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO Not a half smile, not a broad grin, just a lovely warm smile, which I haven't seen before in any of his movies. Can't wait - can't wait ...to see it again ......... I have ordered it, but it will take some days..... While I write this I watch "The Prophecy" on TV. Scary film, with Christopher Walken as Archangel Gabriel and Eric Stoltz as Simon - it draws me in. Anyone here seen this strange movie?

MISC. STUFF (Marilyn)I'm still trying to track down the 1992 Wuthering Heights - Blockbuster must only have one copy and it's been out since it was released and my trusty local video store doesn't even carry it. Anyway, does Jonathan Firth have a substantial role? I read the book ages ago, but saw both the Timothy Dalton (sigh) and Laurence Olivier versions fairly recently, and still can't recall the character JF plays. No kidding! JF was in Wuthering Heights? I taped it and it's been ages since I've seen it. I'm guessing that JF plays Hareton Earnshaw, Hindley and France's only son. He becomes Heathcliff's servant later. But I'm going to have to watch it again to make sure.

(Amy) Good. Glad you don't mind. Mind? Certainly not. In fact, I encourage it. Anyone who starts out a post with "Erections anyone?" has my full cooperation ;-) BROODING BLONDES (Alicia) I think I may have found a brooding blonde. I just saw "A Room with a View" and Julian Sands seemed to be brooding quite a bit. Oooh, good one Alicia--that's a brooder if ever I saw one. I really like this movie. It's got 3 of the most good-looking Brits: Julian Sands, Rupert Graves, and Daniel Day Lewis. If only Colin Firth were in it! I haven't seen it in a few years but I remember liking it very much. Handsome men with lovely accents, beautiful scenery, operatic score...you're right, the only thing it's missing is Colin. FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Bethan) Lack of time is turning me into a lurker :-( FP. Lots of favourite scenes but I have to mention the scene in the car when he smiles at Sarah. Not a half smile, not a broad grin, just a lovely warm smile, which I haven't seen before in any of his movies. Worth the �14.99 for that alone! I'm jealous... and counting the days until I can get my greedy hands on it.;-) I'm relying on the generosity of those who have seen it to give me more juicy tidbits...please ;-} TEP (Marilyn) Did Colin's Geoffrey not make your heart ache?? (Karen) I am on record (and I shall not back off) of not liking this movie, thinking it was way, way, way overrated Unfortunately that happens to me as well (I still don't understand the Forrest Gump thing) but I really did like this movie. It might have been too long perhaps and I was concentrating more on Colin than the rest of the cast, but I liked the feel (whatever that means). However, I do agree that it wasn't the masterpiece everyone kept talking about. and RF does absolutely nothing for me. I look at him and see a lizard. yuck! LOL but I do have to disagree with you there. He's not Colin, but he does me just fine (it's the eyes!) ;-) And then, the role that CF played. Fantasy, pure and simple. That anyone would cheat on him and with a lizardy person like RF???? Pure fantasy!!! Aha! You didn't like it because Colin was misused...well that's okay then ;-p NOT IN YOUR THEATERS YET (Karen) Just so you guys don't think that Rose is some kind of cheap Harlequin romance, here is Time's review from June 3, 1997 If the bathtub scene was not enough of a reason to get the book, then that review nails it. Though I was kinda hoping for some more "cheap Harlequin" moments ;-p BTW, we shouldn't be too mad at poor ol' Flo. She was the one who brought Blair home so that he could be ministered to by our little Rose. She still needs a smack ;-p But Blair undressed himself. Now, if I had been there, he wouldn't have had to do that himself. I could have lent a helping hand or two!!! Hell, just use velcro like those clothes the Chippendales wear ;-) Now I think we have a potential rival bath scene for KC's in Bull Durham (which I too have watched over and over and over again)--the best--until maybe this???? Oooh, I dunno...that's a tough decision. You know how much I love that 60 minute man thing...We're back to that choice again: Kevin or Colin, Kevin or Colin. Then again, we could just go with Marilyn's suggestion--get a bigger tub! ;-p "He shifted on his side to make the physiological fact less evident. Rose washed around the bruise on his hip" (Karen)Wrong direction, dear!! Do you need glasses??? Oh I hope not ;-p FIRST IDOL (nan) I never really drooled over anyone that was too popular (Karen) If you've never heard of him, then I guess he would meet your criteria. Very likely. Know anywhere I can see a picture? BTW, I do remember David Cassidy, but he never did anything for me...sort of reminded me of Davy Jones (no relation to my mystery man above). He never did anything for me either. When I was 12 they had to be blonde ;-) Oh, I got another one: Dean Martin, Jr. of Dino, Desi and Billy fame. Oh, that Dino, he was such a cute boy. I can't even remember when I last thought about these people. A little bit of nostalgia is pleasant every now and then. Now Dino, there's a handsome blonde one, poor fellow. Wasn't he married to Dorothy Hamill? FEVER PITCH - THE VIDEO (Bethan) I have just got the video of FP... (Karen) This is torture!! Please make them stop, Nan!! Don't look at me, the more they talk about it the easier it will be to bear the wait ;-) (But it is unfair ;-p) VALMONT Just a little drool for now--more later!! Can I be his pen pal???? Huh, pleez!! Line forms to the right... Write me a letter, any time, any place!!! That's okay Colin, keep writing...just ignore me ;-p THE "E" THREAD (Claudia) Oh, my!! Did I cause that thread to be thrown out of RofP? (Amy) We used to have such lovely daggy talks in the early days that I rather long for them sometimes Well you're certainly welcome to let loose here when the mood strikes you. Anyway, your post may have put it over the top, but the thread, as a whole, was just itching to go that way. Yes Claudia, don't worry about it...happens. FROZEN PEAS (Renate) Playing with food again? :-)) (Karen) Do I have my choice as what I want to play with? ;-D (Renate) :-) Such as Oh I ain't touchin' this one...;-p A QUESTION OF POSITION (Renate) (in synch) ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ouhh - ough - ough - oooouuoohh aaaaaaahhhhhhh LMAO!! ;-D FIRST IDOL (Nan) ..... I like the quasi-popular treasures, (Renate) Oh, yes. It's fun to make discoveries - spot the future star before the mass audience does. And then you sit there, lean back to cover your exitement, nod calmly...(snip) You have seen him before" "No, never!" "You did. The English Patient, Fever Pitch, A Thousand Acres..." "????" Ahhhh - I am waiting for that moment...... :-)) You know, in a way I hope that never happens. I usually lose interest the moment someone becomes too popular. I thought Brad Pitt was beautiful until he became BRAD PITT. I guess it's also good that Colin doesn't seem to have any interest in being so very famous, so perhaps this one will last a good long time. MOVIELINE (Arami) ...... I liked their reference to him as The Patient Englishman... (Renate) Loved that, too. We should all mail to Movieline for a 'thank you'. I rather like that idea. Wonder if they have a website. (Nan)The only scene with Samira is very tame--so tame it's dull. (Arami) It's the only sex scene I recall in which Colin is seen in the missionary position...Boooooriiiiiiiing! (Renate) Samira is supposed to be a pagan, hence the missionary .... ;-.D I'm rollin' over here...;-) As far as the missionary position--I thought it was a nice change of pace considering he's always upright (no pun intended). It's the scene which I find dull. There's just nothing happening there...nothing at all. THE PROPHECY (Renate) While I write this I watch "The Prophecy" on TV. Scary film, with Christopher Walken as Archangel Gabriel and Eric Stoltz as Simon - it draws me in. Anyone here seen this strange movie? No but it sounds like something I'd enjoy. Do tell...

FIRST IDOL (Renate) Oh, yes. It's fun to make discoveries - spot the future star before the mass audience does. And then you sit there, lean back to cover your exitement, nod calmly...(snip) You have seen him before" "No, never!" "You did. The English Patient, Fever Pitch, A Thousand Acres..." "????" Ahhhh - I am waiting for that moment...... :-)) (Nan)You know, in a way I hope that never happens. I usually lose interest the moment someone becomes too popular. I thought Brad Pitt was beautiful until he became BRAD PITT. I guess it's also good that Colin doesn't seem to have any interest in being so very famous, so perhaps this one will last a good long time. I know what you mean, Nan. I also lose interest in someone when he becomes too popular. Funny that you mention Brad Pitt. I thought he was the best looking thing, esp. in "A River Runs Through It." But now he's become such a public figure and actors seem to get less attractive when they just get too much overexposure. That's why I don't talk much about Colin Firth to my friends. I don't want him to be abducted by the public and transformed into something else. I want to keep him to myself as much as possible. (My, I'm selfish!) ;-)

(Arami) It's the only sex scene I recall in which Colin is seen in the missionary position...Boooooriiiiiiiing! (Renate) Samira is supposed to be a pagan, hence the missionary .... (Nan) As far as the missionary position--I thought it was a nice change of pace considering he's always upright (no pun intended). Yeah, right... you guys are SO BAD! Okay, who knows the answer to this one: Which movie is this dialogue from (it's from a sound file)? CF: Why did you come? What do you think you'll find here? Girl: That you love me. CF: Do you want me to lie to you? Girl: ....... Yes. This is so well done, I just have to see the movie. I've been practicing saying yes like she does; it's wonderful. Oh, and I'll keep that NetNanny thing in mind for RofP.

Okay since you're all too shy ;-p (and I can't sleep), I'm going to plunge into Valmont... I remember seeing this on Bravo several years ago (well before I saw P&P2) and I thought "that Firth guy is mighty cute". Yes, cute. I wouldn't really describe him that way now, but in Valmont he is devilishly cute. I particularly like the first time we see him (at the opera) when he asks AB "How old did you say she was?" mumbling a little with the one-eyed squint. Delightful! Another thing I noticed this time around is that he is, like Mrs. Fezziwig, "one vast substantial smile". After P&P2, where you don't even know he has teeth until after the wedding, this is really charming. As Marilyn would say "edible" ;-.D Now I'm going to say something not pleasant here but I can't help it. IMO, not only was Meg Tilly dreadfully miscast but she's just...well...wrong somehow. She certainly has that naive sweetness thing down, but there is something about her diction that is not very reflective of the period. Also, she always looks like she just woke up.Bad Nan! I thought Michelle Pfeiffer was a much better choice (in DL). And no, this opinion has nothing to do with my horrible jealousy over the r past relationship ;-.p For Renate and Arami--I still think his hair (after he comes out of the water) looks like a big jellyfish LOL! ;-D However, I was comforted by the appearance of yet another wet shirt. Poor Megan is missing this conversation :-.( Is it me or does MT's character do a complete 180 in 2 seconds flat? (Not that I blame her, mind you) One minute she's saying "No, no" and the next she's hopping onto his saddle (oh baby!). All he had to say was "You're a brilliant archer" and bang, her demeanor changed instantly. Interesting pick up line, don't you think? ;-.p A few great Colin lines: -"Would that make you jealous?" (with the most adorable hopeful grin) -"Anything you want". (YUM!!) -"You lost your bet" (CF) "No" (AB) "Yesss" (gleefully--too delicious!) A few random thoughts: -His face is as cute as a button (all youthful exhuberance). -The "walk" gets better and better (particularly when he walks away from MT after she reads the accusatory letter to him). -In the following scene, when he sees Cecile in the carriage--I love that little tolerant smile he gives after AB says "Look who I brought with me". -Do you think Fairuza Balk had a butt-double? ;-.p -He is just too desirable when he is brooding (after AB refuses to honor the bet) I can't take it! Poor Colin needs some lovin' ;-.D AB's knees in the tub scene: I finally noticed it Renate! It is a little distracting. It starts with the garment covering her left knee, then her right, then both, etc...but frankly I was more concerned with looking at CF--surprise surprise ;-.p And here you go... Okay ladies...your turn ;-.)