I fixed some stuff in the rc and the htmlheader files today. I think geo is functioning normal. I'm trying to run a pledge drive this quarter to pay for our hosting fees and get some backups going. I realized when I read your request that we really need backups ... solid backups .. on this system. I suggest any and all conference hosts backup their conferences with bulletproof ftp as an added backup measure.

What was it you wanted linked, Marci?

You cannot believe how relieved I am this morning to see Geo back. I shall definitly back up with bulletproof to get safeguard Geo. Many porfound thanks for restoring this Conference. *Big Hugs*!!! I'll email you about my inability to connect via ftp currently. I login as usual on CRT but now I am marci instead of marcia and when I do get in, I am in a site with just the few files I sent there the last time we had difficulties. Worse, I cannot see it on the net so anything I put there might as well not exist. The software I was adding was ADD ME which is a tracking service (free) which supposedly allow me access to a list of lurkers as well as logins. Curiosity overcame my best thinking and I learned not to do THAT again! BTW, my buttons and bars are still unavailale for the rc file so I can only use the default ones. My account is still badly messed up! Thanks again! You're my hero for sure!

We can get this information with webstats now, I run this report every month and am getting ready to run it again. We may be able to run a custom report for geo, I'll have to check.

Ok..... excellent! I found it fascinating! I was wondering how effective my attempts to interest people in Geo and ulimately in Spring were. Look into AddMe - It is free, I think. I had not activated my account yet. I shall not do so - but it might be what you need unless it is too rudimentary to handle the amount of traffic you have. http://www.addme.com/issue214.htm

http://www.spring.net/webstats shows you the kinds of reports we are getting now. I'll be running some new reports soon.

Thanks, Terry. I find them totally fascinating!

Something is wrong with that link to webstats URL; it produces a 404 message.

Terry, how about this: http://www.spring.net/webtrends/

Hi all I have promoted Geo in World Volcanism. My most recent message there is intended to give you more traffic by pointing potential visitors in the right direction. Marcia knows that I enjoy Geo as I think you and the others might as well, Terry. Bearing that in mind is the reason for doing so. Another thing is if you do not object, I will put out a message in my Yahoo Groups plus Lisa Seal's Earthquake Predictors......... (call it what you may). I did not know where to put this so I left it here. If you have advice, comments, arguments or just want someone to talk too: lava.dome@eudoramail.com Best Rob

Wow, Rob, what a great promo for Marci 's great efforts here!

Thanks, all. Perhaps I might have a few conversationalist out of the mix instead of lurkers - which I also appreciate. *Hugs* Rob for your promotional efforts. I'm not sure we need Lisa's additional EQ club on Yahoo but since we all were chosen as co-founders, I cannot think of any thing else to do but to post the items I post here and in World Seismicity @ Yahoo. It surely sounds like overkill. Lisa is young. Very young. Which has nothing to do with anything other than she should look at what Rob has done with his Yahoo clubs and realize it takes a lot of effort on the part of the creator of said club to make it work. Look how much verbage I have dumped into Geo to help stimulate conversation. It seldom occurrs simultaneously through wishful thinking. Lisa needs to write some good posts and provocative suggestions before she expects results. Been there and know that!

Hi all I will put the appropriate subject for the earthquakes and volcanoes in World Seismicity and World Volcanism links sections, so that those who want to visit the conferences and perhaps participate are able to do so. I am thinking of doing a computer course in basic web page design in my spare time sometime down the road because I have been wondering about the possibility of advancing the subjects that I love online. Probably won't be this summer but maybe next summer. Not too sure where it will lead me but the idea is one I have been entertaining with greater frequency. Rob

Go for it, Rob! Compter training can come be a very good investment. Should it ever be necessary to work from home, who knows how unlimited your abilities and possibilities may be. Besides, I know a new GeoArchaeologist MSc who does the matrix for which the finds are inserted. My son does graphics presentations of site work on AutoCad. The better you are prepared for Geology, the better you will find people to accept your employ. Besides, you can make suggestions for Geo!

terry, how do we use bulletproof.ftp??? (and i'm glad geo is finally looking like it's old self again!!!)

Bulletproof FTP let's you set up "sites" where you enter your password, username and login directories. Hold on, I'll open mine up. Here's a good list of tips: http://www.bpftp.com/general_usage.html When you use it , it looks and works a lot like Windows Explorer.

I STILL need to be able to have the rc file put my Geobuttons and bars back. I don't mind the default buttons, but they sure are not as lovely as the Lava buttons you created for me, Wolfie!!! I have written to Terry... Want to see severe withdrawal? Crash Geo. Arrrgh! I did that while you were gone, I think. Has anything changed for us lowly hosts who have not the first idea of what Bulletproof entails? I think I need to go hunt up info on the net.

Terry, I use CuteFtp and it is a long trek to my /marcia files. Oh well, it makes it harder for others to add stuff to mine, not that anyone would wish to do so! What do I need to do? Buy more software?

Terry, all of my ftp sites are working on Spribng's hard drive. Many thanks! Now, if only my Geobuttons were visible...*sigh*

OK geo buttons are next on the list. I'll dig up that email.

No hurry... ! It is Satuday night! Kick back and watch the Hawaii-Fresno State game.

Oops, San Jose State. We already beat Fresno. Good Texas game (like when did you last lose to Baylor?) and Penn State too. I do not expect to see the buttons until you have a better social life. =) Thanks!

Why can't I ftp? Terry, I think I need to email you again. I can see /marci but it is different from the one to which I ftp things. The same goes for /geo. I cannot ftp, however, to my main files at /marcia. This is most frustrating. John has had problems seeing his files, as well. I will wait until tomorrow to check it, but I think either someone is working on them or my address is suddenly incorrect on my ftp. It did work yesterday...!

I'll check the permissions.

Try it logging in as the user geo. drwxr-xr-x 3 geo geo 512 Oct 30 15:35 marci drwxrwxr-x 6 geo geo 512 Oct 30 15:35 marcia drwxr-xr-x 2 geo geo 512 Oct 30 15:35 geo

what we're having trouble with ftp again? i use ws_ftp95 (that might explain why no one knows what to put in any of my boxes!!)

Gadzooks...! drwxr-xr-x?????? Ok!!! I'll report back!

I got in and successfully transferred files. Did it the old way since I could not log in as you suggested. This works. I'll not mess with it, unless it stops working again. Thanks, Terry! I'm using CuteFTP.

Hi all Kia Ora Wolfie, how are you at the moment??? Rob

hi rob! at the moment i'm recuperating from the drive home! *laugh* actually it was a piece of cake tonight. what does kia ora mean? and does that word "kia" have anything to do with the kia automobiles?

KIA is Korean car. I think he is welcoming you. E Komo Mai! Please, no playing in the freeways, Wolfie!

oh no, none of that! a fellow canine was caught out in it the other day, in the carpool lane too. some of the cars tried to force him over to the curb without realizing that pushing him over to the left would only cause him to veer to the right, straight into 4 more lanes of traffic. a couple of people tried to coax him into their cars (we were at a standstill) and a well-dressed man was walking after him, risking his own life, to get this dog off the road. a man after my own heart. of course, i had people in the car and couldn't take the dog with me (there's a two dog limit here).

if Kia is Korean, why is an Aussie pushing it? (i really thought it was an australian make)

Rob is a New Zealander. His greeting was in Maori. The similarily of names is purely coincidental, I think!

http://www.kia.com/info.shtml Kia Motors America is based in Irvine, Calif., and is dedicated to the strategies of the parent company, Kia Motors Corp. of Seoul, South Korea. The guiding principles are easily stated: "provide high-quality, high-value vehicles at prices well below the competition and back them up with a 10 Year / 100,000 Mile Warranty Program and a customer-first policy."

Kia Ora Katoa Haere mai, Wolfie and Marcia. How are you all today? This son of NZ is fine and well in Aotearoa/New Zealand. I will put links to Geo in World Seismicity and World Volcanism, plus add it to my favourite pages on my Yahoo! profile. Rob

Mahalo nui loa, Lopaka. Your links and publicity for Geo is most welcome. I have posted here of your most worthy offereings in World Seismicity and World Volcanology. Now, get thee back and tell us the RIGHT way to evacuate that little valley in which you had us fishing during an earthquake. I KNOW what your Uncle Bruce did. I think I would stay out of said fishing area. Nothing in that stream is worth risking my neck for. I have a friend who is returning for his annual fly fishing expedition to South Island. How much danger is he in? Huge trout down there! No wonder devotees of the sport return year afer year!

hi rob and marcia *HUGS* (thanks for the bit on kia)

*Hugs* Wolfie! Thanks for putting my storehouse of irrelevant information to good use! I wondered why I knew all of these unconnected bits of *stuff*

because you knew your twin would need to know it one day *LAUGH*

oh, marcia, could we have a topic here (or somewhere relevant) about man-made gemstones? i'd like to discuss the pros and cons of buying simulated pieces (esp. of the rarer and more expensive stones). thanks for considering it *HUGS*

Yes!!! I'll do it straight away. We can consider all man-made stones including "cultured" marble of which my barthroom floors are made.

excellent, thank you marcia *HUGS*

I have several "created" gem stones and my floor. I'll be posting them shortly. Time to post all of those goodies they are making in laboratories to ornament an already gilded lily. *sigh* Can there ever be enough? Too much?! You know I will say a resounding NO !!!

(Wolfie, you coulda done it!!!)

(i know but i wanted to make sure it belonged in this conference first *smile*) can you see me on MSN?

Anything you wish do discuss belongs here. Almost all of us are terrestrial or planetary in some way. I looked for you but the only person I see on MSN is the elusive and puzzling man who staked a claim on my life a year or so ago. I'll watch to see if you can get online.

well, i don't get it....i've downloaded the msn browser and everything--redownloaded msn messenger and nothing. i don't know what to do next. start over probably.

*sigh* I saw you or someone logged into your account (have talked briefyly with AM when I thought it was you). Perhaps it is me. Splitting headache has limited my tact and charm today, usually copious and available to all. Tomorrow??!

well, i'm here and have been logging in this afternoon and evening. i'm sorry about your headache, sounds like the one i had yesterday that even exedrin migraine wouldn't take care of. go to bed and sleep it off! *HUGS*

I should not eat coconut and I will be far more wary next time. It is toxic to me. As my huggy twin, I hope you fare better. They put coconut in just about everything out here. Poor Wolfie. I did not know being twins with you also meant suffering together. *HUGS* I hope you are feeling better. I am.

my headache went away about 7:30 PM. and i came straight home from work thinking i would lie down but i ended up scrubbing a couple of windows and picking up the house. and THEN, we had pancakes for dinner. i can't stand coconut!

Wolfie! Come and sit down beside me while I tell you how to relax. It does not involve scrubbing windows (mine are hopeless and far too big for me to manage) picking up the house will wait (that's what children are for!)... *sigh* supper happens. I don't suppose you used a mix for those pancakes? In any case they take forever to make and you get to eat last. Been there and done that. *Hugs* I'm happy your headache is gone!

no, the pancakes were from scratch! and in order to get the kids to do anything, i have to sit there and supervise so it's easier to do it myself (though they do have their own chores)

*Sigh* A part of motherhood I do not miss. I once made pancakes for my dad from scratch. He folded the entire stack into a little roll, popped them into his mouth, devoured them and wanted more. They were light and golden and meltingly delicious. I have not made them since! I only got to eat one...

i only get to eat one or two myself! and when halfway through cooking them, i have to grap those just to make sure i get to eat too!!

Sounds Familiar! *Big tender compassionate Hugs*

yeah, and you have experience with the boys too. he is going through this thing where he can eat the whole pizza (and he's still annoyingly picky)..... *HUGS*

The proverbial bottomless pit *HUGS* Mine stripped my Leftover Christmas just after we had dinner... We went to see the decorations in the neighborhood and he had the rest of my turkey!!!

*laugh*

I thought and I thought and I thought. And, finally I figured out how to make Geo's buttons and bars appear again. *sigh* It has been so long I am not certain they look right, but it is good to have them back. John, I can do anything you like including changing the wallpaper as we talked about earlier this week. Or, change anything else, for that matter. Please let me know.

i just noted the lava bars and buttons---it's so good seeing them again!!! (how'd you figger it out?)

Wolfie, it took me a while and when John said something to the effect that where I had my main files stored was a secure place with some sort of encryption involved. I am not sure why I can post images from that url but not graphics for the conference. In any case, I tried to put them on /marci. Suddenly they appeared and it was sooooo good to see them again. It was my surprise for John. Now, to get the title page whipped into shape. I also found some alternative bars I think I will like better. Will try them shortly.

Opinions on the new bars???

I don't like them. Have new ones on order. Meanwhile, back to the lava bars

send me a copy of the new bars---didn't catch them today)

Ok. I really need skinnier dark red bars which John is preparing. Actually, he has created a whole new look for Geo. We're still working on it.

So, you're doing ok with managing your geo backgrounds, etc? I hope we can document this hostly things somewhere, I mostly deal w/ system admin and keeping this ship afloat rather than design issues. We need a design maven!

We are doing just fine. John has much expeience with programming and creating backgrounds and fonts and making them lood 3-D. I try to add my Aesthetics to the mix, and I install them when we are done. Yup, Terry. I have learned so much from Geo. Like giving birth the first time. You are handed a baby with no owner's manual. I learned bit by bit and I am still learning. I appreciate that you are good at saving me when I get into trouble with my programming. I keep copies of all programming and make notations including how to restore it to this present state. I had a very good teacher whom we still miss. John is definitely a design maven. I am working on assisting him and learning all I can from his capable mind. You keep the sytems up and running. Wolfie and John and I will keep it pretty and interesting. By the way, did you know we have a rather large readership in Greece? Unfortunately I cannot get them to login because I do not know them personally. Welcome and Yia sou (the Greek equivalent of Aloha.)

Oh, please keep the welcome mat out for The Design Maven whose infinite patience allowed Geo to exist in the first place. He made it possible for me to make is as you see it now. *HUGS* Wolfie and I and a lot of other people miss him!

Absolutely.

I can hardly wait for the new look of Geo. However, unlike Wolfie, I won't wait with baited breath and pass out. I'll just take my sinus medication and sniffle occasionally.

I finally found the very thin read line horizontal bars I needed all this while. No, don't hold your breath. We have lots of sorting to do. Posting it and recoloring and deciding it is not better than the current look. We did that last night (John's morning.) It's fun and a great adventure when your eyes are not falling out of your head from graphics overload. It also is an enormous help to have a very kind and patient specialist helping guide me.

really, it's ok, marcia is an expert with CPR! *LAUGH* course, it's kinda hard to tell when we wolves turn blue!!

(marcia, you slipped in on me!)

oh, and i went out trying to find another neat hummingbird for you with something to actually sit on or feeding off of. found a bunch of other cutsie things but will keep looking!

marcia, i'm gonna resolve this stupid MSN Messenger thing. i don't know why it's not working!! but, i gotta get off line now so g'night all you geophiles! *HUGS*

Wolfie, can you send me a blank button from which my lava buttons where made? You'll see why! I have downloaded an upgrade to MSN and it is better. It still does not include a time stamp which I really miss. You and the missing B are the only ones currently live on my list. I suggest and uninstall, restart your computer then install the upgraded one. You'll love the emoticons (or not.... they are rather silly on MSN, actually!)

i should have a blank button somewhere for you. will look through my graphic files!

oh, i'll try to reinstall the msn stuff--did download their newer browser. but everytime i restart my system, a message comes up saying something about missing a tray.*** (i can't remember the file extension)

Oooh good!!! So, how do you like the title page? Netscape does not do the rotations very well on the globe. I have a second one I would like to try. ??? uninstall the entire MSN thing and download a fresh copy from the Net, Wolfie. I need you !!! *HUGS*

Wolfie, note down the file you need. I have one "tray" file in my systems folder for each IM I run. You need to download it with the complete IM software. I'll send you a copy of mine if you can pinpoint it (and tell you where to drop it whan I do)

all i know, marcia, is when i restart the computer, it says "cannot locate trayapp.exe" and i think this is what's making the computer think MSN Messenger is already up and running. tried to talk to an MSN geek but i got kicked out of the online conversation. i need MSN Messenger back!!! *HUGS*

Terry, have you ever gotten anything from Amazon.com for running their link? If not, I'm taking it off Geo. I love the new smaller buttons! Thank you, John!

Wolfie, I can send you the MSN.exe file and you can install it from that. It's what I used. Better still would be to uninstall it, run defrag, then reinstall the download from their website. It is a bother, but it will get rid of the spurious files which are confusing your computer now.

well, apparantly i confused the geek too. he wanted to know what version of msn explorer i was running and that's when i got kicked out. i'm tired of fighting with it. did try to run scandisk but that kept starting over and over and over again. nice job on the buttons john! and i've noticed the different globes being used. the current one is of the "He's got the whole world in His hands" and is nice. my fave one so far is the one that was kinda invisible........

Yup, This globe is the one. Heaven help us all if the hand which holds us drops us. Note the kill button, Wolfie (almost no one else can see it.) I wanted something that went with the other buttons but looked VERY different. He made a chromatic negative of it for me. It works. I don't get anywhere near it! For those who are not hosts of conferences, if I hit that button by mistake whatever is here disappears forever. I truly don't want to do that!

I think we are done with the middle of the night (for most of the world) and early morning (for John) tweaking of the graphics. John is pleased as am I. I will leave it alone unless I can get Terry or someone to change the large Spring button. John made one which matches the rest. Alas, since the current one is in http://www.spring.net/yapp-icons/sbutt.gif and I surely would not try to change that file, I am stuck with a non-matching set. This one is Geo's new one: http://www.spring.net/marci/Public/GeoButtons/sbutt.gif *Sigh* want to try yahoo or AOL for non-AOL users? Both of them work well for me. If worse comes to worse, I'll try to use ICQ but it keeps crashing my computer! *Hugs* and thanks, John, for your infinite patience with me. Your talents and expertise is much appreciated.

check your email, sweetie, i've forwarded a blank button for you. and, alas, as a poster only in this conference, i cannot see your kill button! (speaking of new buttons, am working on something for the garden room)

Oh I forgot. Wolfie, you have been so much of me for so long, I forgot that only I and Terry and Ray Lopez and SysAdm can see my "power" buttons. You mean I am on my own now? Frightening thought! Thanks for the button blank. I'm eager to see what you have created for the garden conference. It seems that we mentioned it long ago when you put the pansy background there. I know it will be lovely! *HUGS* and thanks to our Wolfie!

Hi �Twins�, Terry and all Thank you for your good words. I gave only a small assistance to this very good hostess and programmer. I hope you like new face of GEO. I have not enough free time, as I wish, in order to be more present in GEO and in the other conferences in �Spring�. I hope that my of many hours work will be finished after about two or three weeks. I need more time for my research too. Wolfie and all who you are anxious for big EQ: In Greece, we have about 3 up to 10 EQ's with magnitude up to 4.0R every day or about 180 up to 350 EQ�s every month. But we had only one strong EQ (6.4R in Skyros Island) within three years. So, I believe that small EQ's is meaning almost nothing for the direct future. Also, you can take an idea for the ground faults in Greece, if you see this THIS MAP. Regards John

thanks john! and thanks marcia, you know i'm here for you sweetie!!

John is offline with thunderstorms. (I post his weather in Geo 14) and we are having them, also. It makes it nice and dark for Christmas lights, though... Oooh, Wolfie, I just MUST photograph my Christmas Cacti. They are early, as usual, but are they beautiful!!! I'll post my results in Garden conference.

How about this globe? The golden one with the shadow...?

oh, that's a shadow! i was getting ready to say something looked funny on my screen (which would be no surprise since everything's fuzzy on this one anyway). i still say that the transparent earth globe is my fave! can't wait to see your cacti--i picked up a smaller one and it's blooming furiously and very early--and it's white!

whihc color transparent one? I found one I absolutley adore but need to make smaller. It's red and in high relief. My white one is struggling back from a near-death experience when it was put under a table and got no water for a month (not by ME!) The ones currently blooming are a light coral pink with green "leaves" and another one a brilliant electric pink with dark red "leaves." My bright red year round bloomer is takeing the holidays off. It stops blooming simultaneously with the appearance of flowers on the other two!

I posted the red globe. It's big! Too big?? If it is not this one I am going back to the "hollow" red one I had originally.

i like this one (the transparent one)....

This is the one I thought you liked. Unfortunately it does not rotate evenly in Netscape, but I like it well enough that it is the globe that I will probably use until I find one for my Dream Title page. Simple elegance is what suits me best. I have actually found it. Now, to figure out how to make it the way I want it. John!!!