Marcia send me detailed email on what you need regarding your account setup and password, etc on the new server. Everyone, email or call me with any such similar needs, if you need to get set up on the new system. Ray, how's the tar stuff coming along? We also need to get the new hosting folks to set up a cfadm user and maybe do some of the things Kaylene suggested. We're racing to get this done before ddc puts the hammer down on us again.

Just sent you two emails to visto address the first with my minimal needs and the second with my username and password which was in use before. Feel free to augment or alter at will and let me know what the new ones are. Anything else?

Terry, I sent you an email at your briefcase account with my needs for accessing the new server. What's the timetable for getting off this server? I need to know as copying all my files to my hard drive is a slow process...but I am making progress! ;-) Karen

I'm in again. Was only out for about 4 hours this time.

Ann and I talked on the phone, so now I have austen.com running temporarily at http://www.spring.net/austen and I got the new site in motion. It should be ready for prime time in a couple of days. Ann, wish we could send you some of this warm air!

Colinfirth.com and austen.com look lovely and familiar. Now, if only the stuff I work with would come back. Alas, access.spring.net is at the bottom of the list for getting things done, I figure....not as important, I guess. And, I guess I understand. It's ok....I'll be here doing my thing even if no one can see what I put up or stuff like that...I'm used to it. I'm the little kid on the Spring and I gotta wait my turn...thank you in advance for your help...

Would it be helpful if we stopped posting on Spring?

No, keep posting. Life should go on as usual. I'll keep setting up accounts on the new system as folks need them.

I'll set up a directory called marcia so you can work there. The url will be http://www.spring.net/marcia

Terry, Have you set me up on the new system yet? I have downloaded ALL my files and am ready to send them over whenever you give me access. I sent you an email with the particulars. Karen

I'm working on it today and tomorrow. Folks who set up web pages should use *relative* references not *absolute* references and base href tags in the header of the html document. I just did a bit of editing on http://www.spring.net/firth because it uses absolute references (not recommended!). If you don't understand absolute vs. relative refererences, please go to one of the many great html tutorials on the web and to our web conference to the appropriate topic. I'll be happy to discuss this most important issue further. For an example look at the base href tag at the beginning of the index.html file on http://www.spring.net/firth/index.html It's the difference between working and not working, and you can get a lot of stuff on the old site to keep working by using these relative tags. And then when you don't need the old site, you just change the base href tag. I have given permission to Myretta to grant access to any authoring type folks who need ftp access to the site. I'll try and make this as effortless as possible, but there may be painful moments in the next week or two. After that, it should be smooth sailing again.

Thanks, Terry. I know this is an educational experience as well as a nusiance. All of us little strugglers trying to become cyber-smarter the least painful way appreciate your making the transition as smooth as possible. Big *hugs* for your patience and perseverence.

It just finished and it found 271 occurences of the phrase http://www.firth.com in 74 pages. Mind you, these changes were only made on the little backup mirror site at http://www.spring.net and not on the main site http://206.97.234.101 where firth.com lives. I did change one file there in the afirthionado directory called afi.htm I believe so folks could still get to the chatroom. I'll be glad when we get everything moved. I'm about to set the austen.com in motion, so folks that need access be sure to email me (terry@spring.net and springnet@visto.com) and/or call me (512-699-4000) with their desired usernames and passwords.

Terry, I couldn't get into the new www.spring.net via FTP. Access denied. When I checked the url http://www.spring.net/KarenR says does not exist. Isn't that the area you set up for me?

I'll set this up again. For the folks working on the new austen.com, the ip address is going to be 208.171.121.122. It has FrontPage 2000 extensions, RealAudio, SSL, Webtrends, MySQL. All the Internic stuff has been performed. The above is important technical information, please make note of it.

Terry: I have set up an account for you there. I will set it up again using all lower case instead of upper and lower. Email me so I can reply with the details. ~~~~ Terry, I emailed you twice yesterday. You can reply with the details. However, that server doesn't recognize me.

Terry, the old Austen.com IP doesn't seem to work. (206.97.234.91). Wonder why.

Terry posted above: For the folks working on the new austen.com, the ip address is going to be 208.171.121.122.

I'm home now, Ann, I've been out in the field all day and I'll resolve this access problem you have and probably give you a buzz tonight.

http://208.171.121.122 is working pretty much, I may have gotten all the files over this morning except the derbyshire ones, and I'm ftping the files in the derby directory now. I'll have to check, but I may have inadvertently put some of these derby files in /usr/home/auste3/virtual_html/ instead of /usr/home/auste3/virtual_html/derby

Hey, http://www.austen.com just came up for me without typing the ip address, and I'm on a Time Warner (not spring.net) connection. Are other folks seeing it also?

Yes, Terry, it comes up for me using http://www.austen.com

Will you be having a new site when the old one is working so well, or does it still have to be moved? I thought all of your stuff was moved firthst!

You can tell when you're on the new site when it says at the botom of the page of http://www.austen.com: New Site Last Updated 1/25/00 If it doesn't say this, you're on the old site which just says "last updated".

Terry, I cannot get into the new site. I have sent you details via email. Could you please look into it and then answer. Karen

It does say New Site Last Updated 1/25/00 Thanks!

The http://austen.com address for me now refers to the new site, and it seems to be working great! Any news on when the old computers will go down? I want to know if there is a deadline for when all files must absolutely either be moved or backed up off the old computer.

ok, www.austen.com shows a last update of 9/5/99 *frown* for me..... i am completely confused. terry thanks for your never ending patience with us! *HUGS* i tried getting to access using the ip to see if my site was up and i get an error page. i can wait, just wanted to let you know *grin*

but....on austen.com, i used the hyperlink to the new site and that worked and i got the right update date! *smile*

Wolfie, try it without the www next time...

...for austen.com, that is. My stuff on Spring is not yet available, either. But, that's ok. I can wait.

thanks! *grin*

Is there an agreement between Spring and Barnes and Noble?

Ann, not that I am aware of. I just hunted through the main page and the welcome pages where all of the links are and I see nothing for them. Just Amazon.com.

On the front page, in the Spring Shopping Mall area, there is a link to B&N. That's why I was wondering. There are actually two links there which go to B&N, both "Books" and "Barnes and Noble".

I would like to get our conferences and everything moved on spring, austen, firth and all our other sites by the end of the month to save another months enormous cost at our present site. There is even the possibility we could get "turned off" at the old site. I need help from Ray and anyone else with Unix expertise to move the conferences to the new site and then work with Kaylene in getting them running again. Time is getting tight, for sure. I think most of austen is moved and the chat room seems to work. I added a few minor embellishments on the new Austen page just so folks would see something "new" there and know which page they were on. I edited the word "editting" so it's now "editing", how's that for some editing! If anyone's offended by these changes, please change them back. I was just playing, honest! New user accounts are available if you email me or anyone else who has admin access at the new site, like Ray, Myretta and Ann. We can expand our admin team. The new sites all have quite a few features we haven't had, the Front Page 2000 extensions are more up to date, there are ecommerce options, there are database capabilities with MySQL, and there are quite a few options for dynamic effects and plug ins (I put a counter at the bottom of the new Austen page, again, feel free to nuke it if this offends anyones sensibilities.) But the key job now is Ray's, getting the conferences moved by tarring them and untarring them on to the new server, they are all located in /usr/bbs. And I have to move all these sites: atlantea.com larainenewman.com bioregion.com love30.com midnightwolf.net tcares.org brucesterling.com miniaturebooks.com teachai.com motorblade.com mustardbath.com tvreviewer.com cooltoys.net mysticalplaces.com tvshows.com eatsolar.com poolgoods.com wearfree.com energywork.com ratthing.com wholetech.com workontheweb.com saveseed.com silkcloth.com The cost of moving each site averages $50. The cost of staying one more month at ddc.net is at least $800. And I'm losing some names right now to lack of payment. So I want to keep the pledge drive going. There may never be a time in the Spring's history when we need funds more than now. This is a very pivotal time for us.

I decided to go ahead and tar and move the conferencing right now, all our conferences are now being tarred and then I'll move the tar file over and untar it to a new directory on the new server. Then deal with issues of permisssions, administrative ownership, etc. I got on the phone to Dave Thaler just now (he's the author of Yapp) and discussed this process. I'll do it one step at a time. So whatever is posted from now on, including this post, will not show up at the new conferences. We're movin' on!

Acutally, since it's tarring in alpha order, the above post may show up on the new site, it's on drool now and moving along alphabetically through all the conferences. It looks like this on my screen: ./confs/drool/_34.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_39.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_51.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_46.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_53.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_59.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_67.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_107.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_68.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_72.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_93.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_97.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_98.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_99.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_127 ./confs/drool/_102.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_104.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig

It's still tarring.

It's done, and now 5 days later, we're up and running on the new site.

Congratulations, Terry & all who participated in the transfer. Ah, the clean fresh air on the new server!

Great Terry! Congrats that everything seems to be working. Now, how do we get our Drool page layout back? I know these icons are standard on the other conferences, but we'd like our cool waters and coordinated buttons. How can this be done? Karen

Brighter colors, faster access or is it my imagination. I 'm going to like the new territory.Thanks all .

Thanks, I'm surprised we're not getting more glitch reports. I'm ecstatic that we're running on the new server and folks accounts are working. It wasn't easy, it took Mike's system admin efforts, Kaylenes programming skill and your contributions to make this all work. It really was a concerted, team effort and I'm very grateful for everyone's help. We really pulled together this time. I'm going to defer to William (wer) on the Yapp stuff, as he's built up most of this, I called him last night and gave him admin access so he can work his magic on the new place. Email William, Karen, if you will. I clicked the button in FrontPage 2000 for brighter colors. FP2000 is a double edged sword, it makes it easy for newcomers to generate web pages but it messes with already constructed pages sometimes. It's our unruly uncle in the basement. Whew! We made it! Now I've got to move all those other domains and then shut down the servers. Make sure you save stuff you need off the old servers!

I like the way it downloads with a scrolling action instead of the entire thing showing up after a long pause as in the old server.

I am a patient person. I definitely will defer to William on all things Yapp that I do not feel competent enough to handle - including most of the esthetic things on Geo. Now, if I could only get into my files... Probably just as well I cannot as I most assuredly would mess them up if I could right now! I am grateful to all who labored (and it is seriously draining mental labor) on our behalf to make this place a reality again.

Is it a fact that posting using the old ip will render your post null and void? Maggie is posting several places and they are not showing up on the URL topics. Be aware you must be using the www.spring.net URL to have your responses posted. I think...

Things are getting posted at numeric Spring (old Spring), but they will not get moved over here. What's here is here. What's there now, will go down the proverbial drain when the plug is pulled...unless someone manually copies and pastes from there to here. All cleared up?

Yep, that's it Karen, the old server will be up for another day or two, maybe longer, so copy and paste whatever you need. But don't bother posting on the old system, just post here using the domain name.

Gotcha! But lots of people are posting the new/old-fashioned way...*sigh*

It's hard to get the word out. We're missing posts, btw, but I can live with it. I just added Topic 128 to take over for crowded 123 on the old site (sorry) and it didn't carry over but since we're 100 postings fewer on 123 here no need to start up another just yet.

Part 6? Yessssssssss!

Incredible. Amazing. And, more than a little confusing for some!

The only thing I have noticed that Geo lost was topic 26 which I re-created.

I got this e-mail today: Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:38:49 PST Dear Ann, I am still unable to get into Austen.com. In fact I am unable to get into www.spring.net as well. Am I the only one from outside the US (I'm from Malaysia) who is unable to get into these sites? This is very frustrating. I cannot figure out why this is. My husband thinks that it could be because of the new 128-bit connection available in new sites in the US which is not available outside the US is the cause. I am completely clueless about this. Appreciate any assistance you may render. If not, this is just an end of nearly 2 years lurking and enjoying all the stories posted in DWG, Novel Idea & Drool. If I am unable ever to get into these sites again, can you please convey my heartiest appreciation to all the authors in DWG & Novel Idea for their creative and most entertaining writing. cheers, sheriMD

Ann, Is there some way of contacting her? Her email address? Thanks for passing it on. Karen

Karen, I forwarded her e-mail to you.

Resp 262 of 263: Marcia (MarciaH) Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (17:56) 2 lines Good...but I think we are back to old Spring right now...and I am telnetting so this will also disappear... Topic 43 of 69: 'How's your connection to the Spring? ' Resp 263 of 263: Karen (KarenR) Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (18:37) 1 lines Nothing disappears. I checked and yesterday's messages on 123 are still there. ******************************** Wanna bet??? This is from telnet and we were evaporated !

Marcia, I can plug in Redisplay -20 and get how ever number of old messages desired from the old site. Here's one from yesterday at #123. They aren't disappearing from the regular website. Karen Topic 123 of 128 [drool]: Colin Firth (Part 6) Response 1970 of 1987: Ann W (amw) * Tue, Feb 1, 2000 (17:10) * 2 lines a surprise awaits you here Karen, I can't get this page, can you put it here.

Curious! Redisplay was not working before it shut down altogether this morning (for me)...it works fine now. Other glitches are when you access topic X.x you get the entire topic instead from that x response onward. Curious!

Btw, I just spent several hours checking through my topics throughout Spring and all of Geo to repost missing messages. I think I have gotten them all - at least the ones affected by this recent change over...I hope!

Is there a way to link the new location from the old location? sorta like a click here? Terry keeps telling people to post to the new boards, but even I didn't know how to go about getting here!

Old site is http://206.97.234.70 New site is http://www.spring.net or http://208.165.85.156 Keep the ip address for backup purposes, bookmark it in the unlikely event nameservers start acting up.

How's your connection to the new Spring site? Is anyone having any problems?

Cool runnings here.

8am HST all is up and working well, thank you. I seem to be able to find messages which were missing yesterday. Thanks for all of the hard work behind the scenes in Spring Heaven where the magicians and angels live. Lots of appreciative *hugs* and warm fragrant breezes from Hawaii for your efforts!

Could someone please tell me what address to use now to telnet to the Spring? Please?

Shouldn't it be this one that Terry just left? http://208.165.85.156 (using the telnet prefix)

telnet accounts haven't been set up yet, I'm looking in to how to set this up on the new site.

Ok, thanks!

Got another person who can't get to Austen.com: --- Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: serena s Subject: new url for DWG Dear Ann, Please help! I've been deprived of the guild from 27th january.. I kept checking back to the old tea room but the latest post seem to date right back to the 27th o january.. Is there a new url for DWG? Thanks, Ann. Serena. --- I sent her an e-mail asking where in the world she resides. If she's in Asia too, I might see a pattern with the other person from Malaysia who can not get in.

I don't know why these folks can't get in, can they get in to the main site and in to http://www.spring.net? Will you ask serena to email me direct, Ann? I'd be happy to try and help her get connected. Has she tried the direct ip address?

I just gave her the numeric IP today. I haven't heard whether she can get in using that or not. If you want to talk to her, her e-mail is: serena484@yahoo.com Also, SheriMD can't get in, and she has tried the numeric. Her address is: sherizan@hotmail.com (She's in Malaysia, maybe their routers are slower to upgrade to the new adresses than in the US).

I think that's what's happening. But I'll email her. I want everyone to have access!

I told her about http://208.171.121.122 and to try it if she can't get in my domain name address. At least she'll be able to get to the site still it starts resolving in her area.

Telnet does not work today for me - the old one has been disconnected?! And, we await the new accounts. Hmmm...but three are telnetting at the moment. They definitely know something I do not know. But, that's ok, too! What I do not know I cannot mess up - much...!

There does seem to be a Malaysia problem with connecting: ------------ From: serena s Subject: Re: new url for DWG To: "Ann of Austen.com" Thanks for the reply. But the numeric version of the address doesnt work as well. And yes, i am from Malaysia. Is there a backup remedy for this problem? Thanks, Ann. ------------ So both Serena and SheriMD are in Malaysia and can't get through.

I'll continue to work with them on this.

I realize all you folks at Spring are very busy, but if you could put the login button back on the new main page it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Main page of Drool or main page of Spring?

BTW if you use http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/drool/all/new you will get an automatic pop-up box for you to use to login.

Main page of Drool or main page of Spring? Main [home] page of Spring. Thanks for your help, Marcia, but I share my computer and don't use a bookmark (trust me, there's a method to my madness).

*grin* I understand perfectly! This should be of help, then... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/main This URL will also cause a opo-up login box to appear. I have an array of conference/all/new buttons on my personal button list which sows up on a bar just below the location space. It is so handy!!!

If it is really necessary to keep where you go on the net private, You know how to delet the location bar history? Otherwise it would be very easy to access where you have been going for the truly curious!

I'll put the login button back on tonight.

Marcia: yes. Terry: thanks.

Eileen, then you are covered. Also dump your document file!!! Email me if there is any question about it (but, youknow that *grin*)

Thanks for that login button, Terry, and for your concern, Marcia. XXOO

That is one remarkable front page Spring now has. My ex commented: The welcoming page is very attractive, and should make any visitors feel that they have reached a substantial site. I agree!

(MarciaH)That is one remarkable front page Spring now has. And i'm quoted there ;-) May I ask questions here about things I don't understand in Drool? Like, where have hundreds of posts gone in the old conferences?

Gi, in Drool or in other conferences? I don't think we are missing anything other than the posts from when Terry copied from the old place and we actually started up here.

Drool is missing hundreds of posts because it is so active during the transfer from one changer to the other. I was able to repost the ones on 113 in Drool and the ones in Geo and my other topics in various conferences which were missing. (I keep files of responses of most of the topics...)

I looked at the front page (http://www.spring.net), and I had a couple problems loading it: Three images didn't load for me: 1) the title bar at the top, 2) the big one in the middle, 3) and the one on the right with "Maggie on equality..." In addition, several of the links in the "What's Cool" section don't seem to go to the right place: eg. shops, roomates, ICQ, and our webs. Also, the page is too wide for my screen and quite a bit on the right hand margin is getting cut off. I rarely have this problem on other sites, so my screen isn't abnormally small. I use Netscape 4.5, which is not the latest, so maybe my browser isn't compatable with some of the HTML used on the front page.