i want to wait too....

*hugs* Wolfie. It just won't be the same otherwise... We need Ree to be here to untie the maile lei which I insist on supplying!

Terry, It would appear that I will need to remove my Bucket site from Spring. Again, your Frontpage defaults overrode my pages' formatting specifications and I had to re-FTP mine. This is the second time in less than a week I've had to do so. This doesn't take into account my time to eliminate of all the duplicate files created by the program, which I assume also take up server space, which you are paying for. Karen

My connection to The Spring is splendid as far as using the Net. Is there a chance in this lifetime that I might have another telnet account established before I forget all that I learned? I would really appreciate it very much. I note that three different accounts are logged in the old way right now...

It may be that you have to get your own website to get a telent account. I'm still figuring this one out. And it might be that you could only telnet to your own website server. Now if that server were the same one (baldur) that the spring is hosted on you would have access.

OK...I'll wait for now. Do you mean my own website on my isp or elsewhere or do you mean my own website on The Spring?

I mean you might have to have your own dedicated website on baldur.

I need to discuss this with someone to whom I cannot speak right now. I'll just wait till things calm down some more then talk directly with baldur...is that the way I should attack this problem? I still cannot understand why I cannot telnet in from my account on Hawaii-on-line. Might have a go at it again.

Thanks for talking to me about this, Terry...Will talk to Kat about it on Monday. Thanks! I'll let you know what she says...!

Just a little note to remind the rest of the United States that you will "Spring Forward on hour at 2AM tomorrow but Hawaii remains on Standard time. That means Austin will be 5 hours ahead of us (when it is 10am in Austin, it is only 5am in Hawaii) and the East coast will be 6 hours ahead of us. It is as though 1000 miles of ocean is being slipped between us and the Mainland. Aloha.

I shall post it in there, but our handsome and fearless leader does not go into Geo unless I truss and haul him in all by my little self...so I thought I would put it out here, first with the hope that he just might see it. It is amazingly confusing to the rest of the world as to whether we are 5 hours ahead or behind everybody. Just remember, Hawaii is the last place in America to get anything - including the day. Theoretically, that means we should know if the world is going to end tomorrow, because most of you are there already and are still posting!

According to Maggie, they went on British Summer Time last weekend.

MEXICO CITY - Debate flares over the adoption of daylight- savings time in Mexico. Among the evils of daylight-savings enumerated by Mexican Senator Felix Salgado is the strain it puts on good marital relations. Ever since it was introduced, six years ago, setting the clock back has caused distress among Latin lovers who are unable to engage in their 'mananero' (Spanish for morning quickie - really!) because wives have to take their children to school an hour earlier. In Salgado's defense, he also mentions the risk that school- children face, venturing out on crime-ridden streets in the dark, but with elections just months away he's focusing on the issues that really hit home.

Thanks, Marcia, I had just noticed it on my calendar. I hate this one. :-(

Me too...we will be farther from civilization than ever.

While you're shifting your clocks...remember to check the batteries on your smoke detectors!

Thanks for that, Ann. We don't shift our clocks but we do need to check the batteries in the smoke detectors. Mahalo!

Terry requested I put this comment on Porch. I thought this topic would reach the most people: We need a way to post to topics via email ...-wlll you please post this in porch? I am trying to figure how it would be possible to email Spring and show up as a posting. Login? How? More information as it becomes available. Till then, any thoughts ?

Spring is taking a very long time to load and refresh for me? Anyone else having this problem. I'm not experiencing it with any other sites.

Have called digihost. Problem is all fixed. :-)

Webtrends, man. I never saw such detailed stats on our site. Whois is fitzwd in place 6?

fitwd is a Droolian lady. Firthian, actually

Sheesh - I knew I was busy here, but did not think I was that overwhelming. Shall I just slink back to my cave? (I am trying to keep stuff going while the usual busy poster is on Hiatus (that cursed Greek (?) island...)

No! Keep on truckin' Marci! Stay out in the daylight, you don't want that dark 'ol cave.

That's for sure! I'll be here when I'm not doing baseball stuff in real life for the UHHilo Vulcans (we have no short name for us, unfortunately - other than "the Vuls")

Great!

...I'm doin' it even as we read this stuff here. I gotta lotta stuff to post, and I just can't let a comment go uncommented upon...*sigh* (Like this one!)

Can't believe Geo and Food (only that one gluttony topic someone once called it) broke Drool's stranglehold on the top 10 busiest conferences...Yippee! Congratulations to the hosts *smile*

neato stats Paul!

If Drool has so many hits...why do so few people post? ~~~~~ I personally don't care...but do you think these stats showing the top ten users should be posted on a public board? Maybe we should respect people's privacy. Or at least warn them ?

If I want Big Brother to watch me, I can get enough of that at work. Don't need it in my recreational time.

Aloha Donna! Terry is anything but Big Brother. But, perhaps he is not the one with which lies your concern. I live with one I am breaking of that nasty habit. I appreciate your adversity to the very idea.

Hi Marcia. Sorry if my response sounded edgy. The stats reminded me too much of the workplace :-( In a better mood now :-)

I know...and that is why I identified you as I did when Terry wondered who fitzwd was. Been there, done that, have the T-shirt (and all the rest of that stuff) *hugs* for being so regular in your posting. We need more to be that way!

well, i don't really care if i'm listed on the top users. the only one who can link it to me is terry and a limited few others. big brother's watching anyway, so smile at the camera!

Hey, I didn't mean any bigbrothishness! On a lighter, less personal note, Saturday is the lonliest day of the week! Activity Level by Day of the Week Day Hits % of Total Hits User Sessions 1 Sun 91,712 13.51% 19,092 2 Mon 123,738 18.23% 24,313 3 Tue 117,172 17.26% 22,627 4 Wed 118,037 17.39% 21,776 5 Thu 112,797 16.61% 21,954 6 Fri 104,171 15.34% 20,605 7 Sat 11,073 1.63% 2,778 Total Weekdays 575,915 84.85% 111,275 Total Weekend 102,785 15.14% 21,870

And Monday is the least lonely, most active. But Saturday, the Spring must roll up the sidewalks!

We're also night people. Activity Level by Hours Details Hour # of Hits % of Total Hits # of User Sessions 00:00-00:59 21,897 3.22% 4,885 01:00-01:59 17,346 2.55% 4,088 02:00-02:59 15,663 2.3% 3,438 03:00-03:59 14,526 2.14% 3,389 04:00-04:59 13,710 2.02% 2,797 05:00-05:59 15,425 2.27% 2,757 06:00-06:59 15,276 2.25% 3,186 07:00-07:59 18,262 2.69% 3,805 08:00-08:59 21,602 3.18% 4,763 09:00-09:59 25,412 3.74% 5,660 10:00-10:59 32,825 4.83% 6,537 11:00-11:59 33,591 4.94% 6,225 12:00-12:59 36,660 5.4% 6,581 13:00-13:59 37,469 5.52% 6,822 14:00-14:59 37,539 5.53% 7,103 15:00-15:59 39,025 5.74% 7,446 16:00-16:59 42,668 6.28% 7,819 17:00-17:59 38,658 5.69% 7,189 18:00-18:59 37,994 5.59% 6,975 19:00-19:59 35,109 5.17% 6,497 20:00-20:59 36,492 5.37% 6,675 21:00-21:59 34,419 5.07% 6,297 22:00-22:59 29,826 4.39% 6,306 23:00-23:59 27,306 4.02% 5,905 Total Users during Work Hours (8:00am-5:00pm) 306,791 45.2% 58,956 Total Users during After Hours (5:01pm-7:59am) 371,909 54.79% 74,189 All this from http://www.spring.net/_webtrends

Interesting stats. You wondered why so few people post when we get so many hits, Evelyn. Did you notice that in this 2-month+ time period, there were 30796 one time user visits but only 1,179 users who visited 10 or more times? We must have scared off the first-timers from ever visiting again. ;-) Also, if it makes even one person uncomfortable about having a personal stat posted here, I think we should take it off. I saved the site though for future reference. Illuminating.

terry, you're gonna explode with all that info!!

I, for one, love to see stats - it is the only way I can really tell how Geo is doing when we have a lot of responses being posted. I requested to know some time ago if there were a way for me to tell how well Geo was doing in comparison with other conferences, including Drool. I appreciate knowing, and I thank you!

Yep, sorry if anyone was offended. I didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings. I'm just a nut for statistics. I'm curious as to how our site is doing. Stats are available for our other sites as well. And speaking of other sites: Month to date plan bandwidth [HELP] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain Name Bandwidth Used PCT austen.com 2,746,026 KB 55.42% spring.net 1,189,254 KB 24.00% childrenstory.com 572,185 KB 11.55% colinfirth.com 262,895 KB 5.31% repeater.org 15,675 KB 0.32% georgebush2000.net 4,125 KB 0.08% mitchie.com 3,407 KB 0.07% eatsolar.com 1,733 KB 0.03% tcares.org 1,516 KB 0.03% silkcloth.com 1,078 KB 0.02% mysticalplaces.com 931 KB 0.02% atlantea.com 887 KB 0.02% bioregion.com 808 KB 0.02% motorblade.com 731 KB 0.01% suzyamis.com 560 KB 0.01% golftravel.net 301 KB 0.01% workontheweb.com 149 KB 0.00% lifespaces.com 127 KB 0.00% divecruise.com 90 KB 0.00% saveseed.com 77 KB 0.00% miniaturebooks.com 67 KB 0.00% primoincense.com 63 KB 0.00% webarter.net 44 KB 0.00% tvreviewer.com 43 KB 0.00% wholetech.com 20 KB 0.00% jefftv.com 19 KB 0.00% poolgoods.com 19 KB 0.00% Total Bandwidth 4.95 GB

What on Austen.com is consuming so much bandwidth? Is it sheer volume of words or something else? I think they need to help you raise money to afford you more bandwidth. While I am deleting things from my tiny hard drive space, they are off and flying and I am beginning to resent that....Please explain, as Ann is my hero(ine) so far...

Oh, and could you bread down how the conferences on Spring are doing as far as bandwidth is concerned. Thanks! In other words, should I shut down Geo???

No way should you shut down geo or delete *any* of your stuff. The bandwidth is used by much bigger files, mostly log files and archives. I am dealing with these issues so you don't have to worry about them. Bandwidth refers to the information being transferred over the web, not to the amount of disk space anyway. It means that austen.com is very, very popular these days. Disk usage looks like this: Week to date plan disk usage [HELP] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain Name Date Updated Data Storage Used PCT spring.net 2000-04-19 1,057,143 KB 80.85% austen.com 2000-04-20 134,736 KB 10.30% childrenstory.com 2000-04-20 37,920 KB 2.90% colinfirth.com 2000-04-20 20,167 KB 1.54% mitchie.com 2000-04-20 7,784 KB 0.60% repeater.org 2000-04-20 7,762 KB 0.59% atlantea.com 2000-04-20 6,728 KB 0.51% tcares.org 2000-04-20 3,789 KB 0.29% silkcloth.com 2000-04-20 2,618 KB 0.20% eatsolar.com 2000-04-20 2,405 KB 0.18% georgebush2000.net 2000-04-20 1,407 KB 0.11% poolgoods.com 2000-04-20 1,315 KB 0.10% golftravel.net 2000-04-20 1,284 KB 0.10% bioregion.com 2000-04-20 1,254 KB 0.10% primoincense.com 2000-04-20 994 KB 0.08% mysticalplaces.com 2000-04-20 978 KB 0.07% suzyamis.com 2000-04-20 934 KB 0.07% jefftv.com 2000-04-20 874 KB 0.07% motorblade.com 2000-04-20 702 KB 0.05% saveseed.com 2000-04-20 665 KB 0.05% webarter.net 2000-04-20 633 KB 0.05% lifespaces.com 2000-04-20 631 KB 0.05% divecruise.com 2000-04-20 630 KB 0.05% miniaturebooks.com 2000-04-20 625 KB 0.05% tvreviewer.com 2000-04-20 620 KB 0.05% workontheweb.com 2000-04-20 607 KB 0.05% wholetech.com 2000-04-20 582 KB 0.04% Total Disk Usage 1307.60 MB I think you'll see a big decline in spring.net's disk space soon. But don't worry about it Marcia! Use all you want.

Thanks, Terry. Understand about the size of the files, and I try my utmost to keep them manageable - most especially the image ones. I know this also worried Wolfie who has not posted many pictures on her collecting conference since you mentioned about the bandwidth problems. Thanks for the clarifications. Log files are killers. My son just had to deal with the company-he-works-for's "Log Jam" and deleted an incredible amount of "stuff" which was no longer relevant.

Y'all stop being paranoid. You are not the problem, you're the solution! Your a teeny, tiny drop in the bucket of our disk pool, but your content far outweighs the space you use. Don't worry. Be happy. Use our disk space for your noble pursuits. Keep on keepin' on.

Yippee!!! Just What I needed to know... I shall not doubt again. Not being paranoid...just concerned about you and your commitment to Spring and its importance in our lives. The best people in the world post here. I *know* that! Now, I'll go convince Wolfie and we'll be back in business *grin*

I've started a fundraiser on Austen.com, so I hope that pulls in some money for you. I'd be happy to try to cut down on the bandwidth, but I don't know how it all works. Would bandwidth decrease, if some of the often-loaded files were smaller? Any other ways to decrease it?

Your bandwidth was so high due to the chatroom, which no longer exists.

Bandwidth is the amount of data flowing through the pipes, not the stored data.

I wonder why chat rooms use so much bandwidth? I wonder if there's software that's less bandwidth intensive for this purpose?

Wondering even more why Sprin5 does not add Geo to his list so we can see recent posts there. Is he playing favorites? Shall I go on strike and not post until he does? I know it is accessable because when I telnetted, it gave me my entire conference list. He added springark and collecting but not Geo. Terry, meet you out in the alley in 5 minutes to slug this out!!!

I added Geo! (see, she beat me up in the alley, I'm getting treatment for all those bruises).

*giggle* If you only knew what a pussycat and pacifist I am... Thank you!

(Let's see what sort of match-up we'd make. I'm 5'6" and about 120 pounds soaking wet on a fat day...)

now that terry is checking in more frequently...i have a question that may seem a selfish concern of mine but.... terry, how come i can't type in the url address: http://www.midnightwolf.net? do i have to use the spring.net/wolf/index.html? (marcia, i'm shorter and, shamedly, outweigh you).....

(most medium-sized birds outweigh me, according to my mother! That is up from my eternal 116 pounds which was a little too skinny.) Can't answer the other question...

Yup! I too hate being told I am too skinny like I did it on purpose. They don't say it any more. They ask me to share my secrets, now. I can lose weight sitting still. Twitch factor is the deal. At 100, I was way too thin even with my small bones - it's the long legs and long neck which stretches me out.

Oh yeah, I can eat the house male under the table, too!

i'm small-boned with a short torso (the AM's taller but my jeans are longer than his!!) so the weight i lug around is really visible, you know? esp. since i carry it the german way, on the hips....(but i am working out *smile*)

I figured my "twin" sister would also be short-waisted...just as I am. Don't seem to carry weight in any particular place, though I suppose that is not a bad thing. If I had my druthers...*sigh*

i know what you mean. i used to joke about how i would move this to there, etc.!! (it even made my mom laugh)

Yup!

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Can anyone tell me why I cannot see any of the graphics on www.spring.net with my powerful and new desktop computer using Netscape 4.7 but I can see them with IE on my miserable little w 3.1 laptop?! Must I switch to IE for this computer, as well?

I may have to do some re-authoring of the main page. It doesn't happen on other pages does it?

I just deleted some files in the /tmp directory on baldur, our host machine. I got a call from Karen a bit ago saying folks couldn't post. That may fix it. If you're reading this it's fixed.

It's fixed now. I'll call Karen R.

I just let Marci know via dialpad, I didn't have KarenR's number handy.

Thanks Terry, and I just emailed Karen no, it does not happen on any other place except www.spring.net

What happened is that the /tmp directory got full and I mistakenly told Karen I had no control over it. But I was wrong. I was actually able to go in and delete some files that were owned by sprin5. So next time I'll be able to fix it. Call me if it ever happens again as soon as it occurs! Thanks for the heads up Karen R!

I shall call you. I am just shy on the phone...I could have alerted you immediately after it happened. I did send you 2 emails...

Thanks, how it gets done is not important...just that it gets done. :-) Maybe that /tmp directory should get regularly dumped...like once a week???

Btw, while the Spring was frozen, did anyone notice the mess it made of our hotlists? Phantom posts were listed and empty when accessed. Curious! Great idea, Karen!

Yep, I'll start checking it regularly.

Right now it's empty, it has one subdirectory. $ cd /tmp $ ls -l total 1 drwx------ 2 missi2 user 512 Apr 20 11:25 ssh-missi.

There seems to be problems on Austen.com. Our boards have disappeared, my mailbox is gone, and I can't even FTP in. Any idea what's wrong? It was working earlier this afternoon, but stopped functioning around 2pm or so. The main pages of the site are still working, it's just the CGI scripts and FTP access that is busted. (If I can't get in, I can't even take a look round to figure out what's wrong.)

All of Austen.com seems to be down now. Can't get in at all. :(

I'll check it out.

I can't figure out what's going on, it's at our hosting service, I can ping it but I can't telnet to it, ftp to it, or anything. So I'm leaving voicemail and email for mike, the sysad guy.

terry see my topic in projects. maybe this is the answer to my question...

OK I'll look, wolf.

I looked and set up an ftp account, well, go to projects for the details.

I sent an e-mail to Digihost too. Thanks for taking a look, Terry!

Thanks, Ann. Maybe they'll catch the email, the office closes at 5 pm EST. So if anyone ever catches an outage like this try and make a voice call to me before 4 pm CST, 5 pm EST, if at all possible. I'll look into setting up a backup server with a different name.

Btw, Ann, that is a great page with the plea for help with funding - any response?

I got a response today, $50 check. Thank you!

Connection refused -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Description: Connection refused This is what I get trying to enter DWG. I hope it will be up soon.

It was up earlier for me. Just the message boards were down. Oh dear!

We should be able to get things back up this morning when our server facility opens around 8 am EST or in about and hour and fifteen minutes from now.