Hi all GREAT NEWS!!!! The first ALPINE FAULT images have gone up in World Earthquakes - the old World Seismicity group and will be coming here in short order. I will post the pics online there first so the Group for which they were originally intended gets them, and then I will distribute image via e-mail to all interested. Rob

Please, Rob!! Me !! Pretty Please?! They sound fantastic. If you'd like I will put them on Spring's hard drive so you can post them on Geo!! I'll teach you just as I did Julie. Folks would love to see your photos. Not just the ones who come out of lurkdom!

Hi all Then check kilauea83@yahoo.com, for the first image. I cannot send stuff to marci@aloha.net without it screwing. Rob

OK going to Yahoo. I seldom check that email. BTW, beginning Sunday use only marci@aloha.net. I will not be using BluegrassHula@aol.com for a while and will not have access to it.

Hi all Be careful Marcia!! Rob

Hi all Where is everyone? Hope this place is still rocking. Rob

Still kickin' Rob. What's going on with you today?

Whazzup??

are we going to party in here?

Hi all For something that is the agony of American basketball fans, the pure joy of every New Zealander, and the hopes of the Yugoslavs, go here: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/screwed/170 Rob

Bring on the party!!!

If you wait about a month, I will personally toss a party of liberation and joy for all. At the moment, with the help of a few very special people I am barely hanging onto my sanity. But this is one thing I REALLY want.

Hi all Marcia, one thing. Are you physically okay, or has WW3 started? Rob

*HUGS*

*more hugs*

Hi all *HUGS*. To all who love freedom and democracy, who promote cultural understanding, regardless of whether you are conservative, moderate, socialist, Green, Communist, Republican or Democrat, you are the people of the future upon which nations can be built. September 11 was a strike against humanity, against every human being on earth, in New York, in the US, in the West and everywhere whose people love democracy and freedom. The magnitude of the impact around the world should not be underestimated for in various ways it has changed most people. It has made me more aware of who I am, I never did take any day for granted and I sure don't now. I have become more outgoing and more appreciative of family and friends. It has changed the cultural face of New Zealand too I think. More people are more aware of the nation they are in and many appreciate that there are advantages to being small. Many before hand thought we were too small. Let me read out a list of nations that lost people aside from the United States and you will all get an idea just how much of a world disaster September 11 really was: Argentina Australia Bangladesh Belgium Brazil Canada Chile China Colombia Denmark Dominican Republic Egypt El Salvador Finland France Germany Great Britain India Indonesia Ireland Israel Italy Japan Lebanon Malaysia Mexico New Zealand Norway Pakistan Paraguay Peru Philippines Portugal Puerto Rico South Africa South Korea Spain Sweden Switzerland Taiwan Zimbabwe People, whether we agree or not on how to deal with terrorism, and whether it is appropriate for the US to attack Iraq, lest anyone mistake anyone else, I think we are all in one boat. Some people, in particular Muslims might be getting discriminated against, but they are suffering just like us. It is a world thing. Take care. I love you all Rob

I agree with everything you said, Rob. September 11th was a world disaster.It effected everyone from every single country. I am up at 5:30am right now. I never get up at this time EVER. I just can't sleep. I keep thinking about September 11th. I admit that I am scared. Scared for my country, scared for other countries, scared for the world. Sure its not my job to worry about this, but the memeory of what happened last year is still fresh on my mind. Its fresh on everyone's mind. I hope this Sept.11th is just a day of memory for all of us and not a day of terror and fear. Stay safe everyone and take care. Love and hugs to all of you.

Thanks for the great tribute, Rob, I appreciate your sharing it with us. Love is what it's all about; it's what we're all here for. God bless on 9-11 and every day.

This is for all who care and love - every moment of life http://www.funstun.com/Think_It_Over.swfb

Will you take time today to post something in the Spring's news topic about the meaning and significance of September 11th? It's topic 43 in news which was started a year ago today.

OOps, I'm late and we had an all-conference topic into which I poured all my 9-11 stuff. Is it the same???????

It's the same.

Hi all Maybe in recognition of the Bali attacks, we should do something for it. Rob

The Bali attacks, the sniper, I hope this isn't crescendoing into something more frightful.

that and the port lockout--they had on the news that the latest video by what's his face threatened economic strikes.

The sniper has this whole area in total panic. Schools have ceased extracurricular activities, events are being canceled, etc. until this guy is caught.

I saw that on the news, people are running back to the safety of their cars while their gas pumps or they are crouching in fear while they pump gas. Sounds like they have some solid clues though.

autumn! are you in that vicinity (i've forgotten)?

Yes and no--about 1.5 hours east of where the action is (focused on 3 counties in MD and VA). We're not "living in fear", but you do think about it when you're coming and going at a public place. We'll all sleep better when this nut job is caught.

Hi all I do not think anyone here knows how serious the Bali attacks were. US media, and in particular, the newspapers, and television stations hardly covered the attacks, which killed over 100 Australians alone, numerous foreigners from other nations including at least 3 New Zealanders. I place the blame not on Americans, whom I am sure are horrified at what happened, but the inward self-interested values that some segments of the US media value more than good journalism. This I think is part of the reason why so many other people think Americans are arrogant. Because US media concentrates on America and Americans so much, they get the impression that there is no world beyond their borders, which the people of this board know could not be further from the truth. Thus one columnist I happened on said that Americans learn geography when there is a terrorist attack. Hollywood is to blame as well for feeding the "We are the world" myth that run rampant in the minds of some. Their movies, notably Armageddon which portrayed the US as the saviour of the world from a massive meteorite strike, also fuel that notion. Bali was a place of great popularity among the younger generation of New Zealanders, Australians and western people in general who frequented the nightclubs, took advantage of the first rate surf, which generated a healthy economy based on tourism. Many Bali businesses were Western owned and operated, but they employed Balinese locals to work for them, and the locals mingled with the tourists just as easily. The people of Bali are not to blame for the actions of the bomber and they demonstrated this by the manner in which they rushed to help the wounded, and authorities. The bombings were a strike at them as well as the West and were in a Hindu enclave. On this day October 20, 2002 Australians had a national day of mourning for the more than 100 dead and at least 100 still in hospital. Prime John Howard declared the day of mourning to occur on Tuesday when it became obvious that there was going to be a horrendously high death toll. I finish this message on the following note: ---- A nation in mourning October 20 2002 Thousands of people have been attending church and memorial services around the country to honour the the victims of last weekend's bombing in Bali. Australian singer John Farnham kicked off a ceremony in Sydney by singing Amazing Grace. People of all ages draped in Australian flags have gathered at The Domain to pay their respects to the more than 100 Australians killed and many more injured when a bomb ripped through the popular tourist strip in Kuta Beach. NSW Governor Marie Bashir welcomed the crowd, saying she did so with a heavy heart and great sadness. She said the cruel act and flagrant disregard for human life in Bali last weekend had left Australians with a sense of pain, rage and sorrow. Premier Bob Carr was attending a ceremony for the Coogee Dolphins which lost six of its rugby league players in Bali. "There is still grief and anger and a rage against the dark and random shattering of so many lives," Mr Carr told the crowd. "These are good people and this is a wonderful part of the world and we did not deserve to be so smashed of our hopes." Hundreds of people streamed into Coogee Oval today to pay tribute to the victims. As part of the national day of mourning, families bearing sprigs of wattle and green and gold ribbon laid flowers in the memory of those lost. A survivor of the blast, Eric Da Haart from the Coogee Dolphins Rugby League Club, gave an emotional and rousing address to the crowd. Mr Da Haart told how he and his teammates went to Bali for their end of year footy celebrations. "We went expecting a great time and we were having a great time and then hell happened," he said. In a video message, Prime Minister John Howard urged mourners at the Sydney service for victims of the Bali bombing to preserve Australia's open, tolerant and generous society. Mr Howard told the crowd at the Australians Together ceremony that victims of the Bali bomb attack would want that harmonious society maintained. Mr Howard vowed the government would hunt down those responsible for the Kuta blast which killed more than 180 people - more than 100 of them Australians - and injured hundreds more. "Let us remember the people for their love of life and what they gave to others and to their country," he told the service, one of many around Australia on a national day of mourning. "Let us resolve to find those who committed this foul deed and bring them to justice. "But let us also embrace not only each other but all the peoples of the world in peace. "Let us preserve the open, tolerant, harmonious, outward-looking generous Australian society for which Australia is so widely respected. "That is what they would wish and I know it is what all Australians would wish." Mr Howard was attending a service in Canberra today. At midday, the mourners paused for a minute's silence as the church bells from St Mary's Cathedral chimed in the background. A didgeridoo played as dignitaries including NSW Governor Marie Bashir lay native Australian flowers in a pond. "On October 12, that cruel act of flagrant disregard for innocent and joyful lives has created within us an overwhelming sense of pain, of rage and of a sorrow which does not abate," Mrs Bashir said. "We imagine those bright and beautiful Australians whose love of sun and surf and sporting prowess is renowned. "We have lost them in the full bloom of life, exuberant, open minded and accepting of others, loyal Australians, international ambassadors." Members of the crowd were later invited to place an orchid in the pond and to lay flowers in the forecourt of Parliament House. Many were draped in the Australian flag and wore native blooms in their lapel as a mark of respect. All were visibly moved as friends and family of the dead or missing read poems and paid tribute. Speaking at a packed mass at St Christopher's Cathedral in Canberra, Opposition Leader Simon Crean said Australians owed it to the victims of the Bali bomb blast to work towards ensuring such an act of terror could never happen again. "Today, as Australians, we mourn more victims of an insidious war of terror," he told the congregation. "But you know the great thing about those of us who have faith, the great thing about those of us who believe in community and the sanctity of human life is that we know that we can rise above this and resolve to do better things as a result of it. "Of course it's important to bring the perpetrators of this to justice, that is required. "But what we have to resolve as a nation, we've got to work together ... to ensure that what happened last weekend can't happen again. "We owe it to the victims, we owe it to the survivors, we owe it to their families and we owe it to ourselves." AAP

I sympathize with you, Rob, and am sorry for your loss. I would agree that the attacks received scant coverage here, and the story has dropped off the evening news altogether. Our complacency probably has a lot to do with our relative isolation from that part of the world, the minimal (2-3?) loss of American lives, and the fact that we live in a country rife with violent crime on a daily basis. I live near one of the larger US cities (in the top 15), and it averages two murders/day and God only knows how many lesser violent crimes are committed each day. It's all senseless.

not much on the news here either except that some surfer dude was killed....not that that was insignificant but unless it touches the southland (as they say here), they don't report much (unless it can be sensationalized)...

Hi all This came by e-mail. Rob ---- Dear Terrorist, You hurt us bombing Bali, but we can take the pain, But if you think you'll beat us, you can think a-bloody-gain We battled at Gallipoli and we fought the bloody hun Of all the arseholes we've had to face, you're just another one You won't get your hands dirty, you won't fire a gun Whenever danger threatens you just pack your gear and run You brainwash innocent children to do your evil deeds Careful not to let them know just where it really leads You teach them to believe all your bigotry and lying Until they cannot see that there's no glory in their dying Now we'd like to pose a question, answer if you can Where does your holy book tell you to kill your fellow man? Now listen hard and listen well, we're giving you the word You're never gonna beat us, you spineless bloody turd You'd never face us personally, you haven't got the guts You know that if you ever did we'd have your bloody nuts Our spirit is unbroken, and our heads are still unbowed We sure as hell aren't scared of you and your gutless crowd So get your act together -- you'll never win because What you're really up against is the spirit that is OZ WE WILL OVERCOME "Lest we forget"

There are some more items on this in the news conference 'sniper' topic.

Thanks Rob. Terrible things happening world wide and Al Quaeda is all too ready to claim the honor of being the cause. Thanks to them, I got singled out at the airport for several examinations since I look so dangerous.

EsBee, I did get your messages and your phone number. It was just about impossible to do anything about it, though. I'll be back!!! We simply must do lunch. Nut Tree airport has a lovely restaurant. How about there?

OK, get out the chess pieces and get moving. Cosmo is growing spider webs waiting for someone to make the first move. His absinthe is long gone. I'd better refresh it. Belly dancing DVD? Is that for Lizzie's benefit? EsBee, you are something else! *Hugs*

I just had to come back here and say 'Hi All!' for old time sake. Mike

Been doing things like that myself lately.

Me too. I wondered if I had died... Welcome all

Ok, Marcia is here, the room is back in session!

Aha !! There are pythons eating alligators in Geo these days. Is nothing sacred? See what happens when you actually bite off more than you can chew! Ewwwwwww ! Next it will be the brown tree snakes invading Hawaii. You all know how each state has a tree and flower and bird. What are the eyesores for your state. Indiana claims all those orange cones marking the eternal road building.

that was one hungry snake! *off to see geo*

State eyesores... In Illinois: road construction, town houses where there use to be farms. In Wisconsin: Illinois drivers more to come.....

In Bastrop, it's the homey little pecan stores GIANT LED SCROLLING SIGN that you can see for 10 miles aways. It's gross. It's huge, towering above Highway 71.

I LOVE THIS DISCUSSION !!! we're still sorting out the eyesores of KY. Hawaii's eyesores are two fold. Natural eyesore are once beautiful beaches now under 50 feet of lava. Man made are junked cars in front yards.

That is funny about the Illinios drivers being eyesores. I am guessing that is what Oregon thinks of California drivers.

some texas drivers are eyesores too! and we've got those stupid concrete barriers (because the cones weren't working) all over the place...... homesteads at the end of a runway....we should start a screwed eyesore topic!

Concrete barriers. Scary stuff.

Indiana has millions of them and they change postion from trip to trip. California uses them and they take root where they're put looking terrible all the while. We need a topic!

A topic for concrete barriers? Uh, ok, but do you think we might run out of things to talk about? relating to concrete barriers. I'd hate to run up against a brick wall.

Nope, world eyesores. Right now we are working on state eyesores to keep up wiht state songs, state birds, state flowers etc. Leave the topic here. It'll die on its own.

terry, how long did it take you to pun that one? *grin* i thought the new topic would be eyesores like marcia was just saying! you know we can NEVER stay on topic no matter WHERE we go so you know that there will be traffic in them if not on the subject matter *giggle* i would love one about pet peeves......

i've got one right now but i'd better go to inner to spill the beans...

following you !

It took about 5 seconds.

The Funeral Service The funeral was held way back in the country and the young minister got lost on the way. When he arrived an hour late, he saw a backhoe and crew, but the hearse was nowhere in sight. The workmen were eating lunch. The diligent pastor went to the open grave to find the vault lid in place.... but still he poured out his heart and preached an impassioned and lengthy service. Returning to his car, the young minister felt that he had done his duty and he would leave with a renewed sense of purpose and dedication, in spite of his tardiness. As he got into his car, he overheard one of the workers say, "You know George, I've been putting in septic tanks for 25 years, and I ain't never seen nothin' like that before. Thanks to Lucie. I loved this !!

Oh, that is too funny! Thanks, Marica.

Speaking of grave yards, we p[rowled the finest in Frankfort, KY yesterday. Daniel Boone and his wife, Rebecca are buried there on a high bluff overlooking the Kentucky River. The fall colors were just coming in. It was beautiful. We also had a quick tour thru a black cemetery which was the first in the state. It was created in the 1840s and contains Civil War dead.

What's the name of this locale?

It was all around Frankfort. That is the most amazing state capital. It is set in a mountain hollow surrounded by trees and wilderness. The town is just a few blocks wide and a few more long. The best part is the Capitol itself. It is every bit as grand as the United States Capitol building in Washington, DC. Marble throughout it has grand staircases and formal plantings all around it. A golden dome completes the setting. Terry, if you know Frankfort I can tell you it was in the lesser parts of town on one side. We had to go thru a parking lot to get to the drivway into the cemetery. I can get better directions if you need them. The cemetery with Daniel and Rebecca Boone is on the heights overlooking the capitol building.

1.) Save the whales. Collect the whole set. 2.) A day without sunshine is like, night. 3.) On the other hand, you have different fingers. 4.) I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. 5.) 42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot. 6.) 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. 7.) I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 8.) You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. 9.) I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges. 10.) Honk if you love peace and quiet. 11.) Remember half the people you know are below average. 12.) Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how popular it remains? 13.) Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool. 14.) Atheism is a non-prophet organization. 15.) He who laughs last thinks slowest. 16.) Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm. 17.) Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. 18.) The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 19.) I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol. 20.) I intend to live forever -- so far so good. 21.) Borrow money from a pessimist -- they don't expect it back. 22.) If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? 23.) My mind is like a steel trap -- rusty and illegal in 37 states. 24.) Quantum mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of. 25.) The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes. 26.) Support bacteria -- they're the only culture some people have. 27.) When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane and going the wrong way. 28.) If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. 29.) A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. 30.) Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. 31.) For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism. 32.) Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of checks. 33.) Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with. 34.) No one is listening until you make a mistake. 35.) Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. 36.) The colder the x-ray tables the more of your body is required on it. 37.) The hardness of butter is directly proportional to the softness of the bread. 38.) The severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the ability to reach it. 39.) To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. 40.) To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles. 41.) How many of you believe in telekinesis? Raise my hand... 42.) You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive. 43.) Two wrongs are only the beginning. 44.) The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. 45.) The sooner you fall behind the more time you'll have to catch up. 46.) A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory. 47.) Change is inevitable except from vending machines. 48.) If you think nobody cares, try missing a couple of payments. 49.) Always try to be modest and be proud of it! 50.) Get a new car for your wife... It'll be a great trade! Thanks to DB for this

Look skyward even if you don't muchlike science and never read Geo. This meteor shower might be very nice, indeed. LEONID METEOR SHOWER Space Weather News for Nov. 13, 2005 http://spaceweather.com THE LEONIDS: The most famous of all meteor showers, the Leonids, peaks on Thursday, Nov. 17th. A few years ago, the Leonids were storming, filling the skies with bright meteors. But not this year. The 2005 Leonids are expected to be few (less than 20 per hour) and hard to see because of the glaring full Moon. Nevertheless, if you're an enthusiast, you might want to go outside before sunrise on Nov. 17th and look up. The sparkling stars of northern winter will be on full display, along with Saturn and the full Moon, and you might spot a few meteors, too. THE MOON & MARS: This is good: The Moon and Mars are getting together for a beautiful close encounter. You can see them rising in the east, side-by-side, at sundown on Monday, Nov. 14th. Visit http://spaceweather.com for sky maps, pictures and more information.

For those of you who don't read Geo I thought you might like this: Ten top worst jobs in science 10. Orangutan-Pee Collector Their work is noninvasive—for the apes, that is . . . "Have I been pissed on? Yes," says anthropologist Cheryl Knott of Harvard University. Knott is a pioneer of "noninvasive monitoring of steroids through urine sampling." Translation: Look out below! For the past 11 years, Knott and her colleagues have trekked into Gunung Palung National Park in Borneo, Indonesia, in search of the endangered primates. Once a subject is spotted, they deploy plastic sheets like a firemen's rescue trampoline and wait for the tree-swinging apes to go see a man about a mule. For more pee-catching precision, they attach bags to poles and follow beneath the animals. "It's kind of gross when you get hit, but this is the best way to figure out what's going on in their bodies," Knott says. more plus the other nine ...http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/806ffb24a5f27010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html