Florida is warm and not expensive. A little too warm and flat for me but i live with it

Lucie, I have 2 (count um) 14,000 foot mountains in the back yard. One is full of mammoth telecscopes, the other (which Mike studied the weight to which it can attain before it punches through the earth's crust) it the world's most massive mountain and most active volcanically. A third one is active as we speak. It makes great evening watching over picnic baskets packed with the right stuff. We have from snow to in not too hot on the same island. Other than that... Hawaii isn't all that bad! (No, mike has not told us what it weighs and how much more before we all get sucked in to the hole it makes when it goes!)

Not all that bad? It's, uh, paradise.

...so I have heard! I do what I can to keep that paradise blooming, fragrant and welcoming. Funny thing about paradise, we still have ants! Beats snow shovels and chains, though! and fuel bills... we have neither furnace nor Air conditioning. We simply don't need it!

Jacob Leverich, a former LBJ student, tackles the problem of monitoring web surfing at his high school. Topic 71 in the web conference.

HAPPY JULY 4th! ! ! !

(look, my image worked *woohoo*)

(Well done!) Yes, happy holiday everyone!

Cyberwar in Iran. Read about in the internet conference. A sample: Item 22 entered Fri, Feb 27, 1998 (16:53) by Paul Terry Walhus (terry) Cyberwar: The Information Revolution and Warfare Type "." to exit or ":help". Enter your response: >Cybermania Takes Iran by Surprise > Youths Swarm Online; Tehran Scrambles to Respond By Molly Moore Washington Post Foreign Service Wednesday, July 4, 2001; 12:00 AM TEHRAN � Arash Fahimi is a teenager in a nation that frowns on dating, outlaws rock music and offers a 17-year-old almost no chance for travel beyond its borders. But Fahimi, like hundreds of thousands of young Iranians, has discovered an escape from his cultural cocoon. Sitting at a computer terminal in an Internet cafe, he downloads the latest Western pop music hits and chats daily with cyber-acquaintances around the globe. He even found a girlfriend on the Internet. ... much more in topic 22 in the internet conference.

You don't need to tell me about this... count them... Gambia, Nigeria, Pakistan, India, and the most heart-breaking of all was from Tehran - a young bright geologist who could not study outside his country in the west (read United States or Canada) because out govermments were not talking to each other. It is so sad. There was nothing I could do but to listen. And, no, I am not looking to marry a young guy to afford him a green card!

wanted to announce that instructions for making a gum wrapper chain has been posted in crafts/paper crafts!

Picture of the Day. New topic in news conf.

Congrats to Colin Firth for getting the Emmy nom' (see drool). Ira Einhorn, hippie trunk murderer, may be closer to justice and getting extradited from France. See the news conference. We've been following this story for a while. Seems Einhorn cut up his girlfriend and stuffed her in a trunk and has been escaping the law by running to France for years. Finally, a resolution? Or maybe not.

Is he still alive?

Yep, read the news article cited. Like the gutless coward he is, he cut himself superficially at the throat to keep from being extradited another week (the plane was waiting for him). Where he's going, there are people who will teach him to do a better job.

or do it for him!

On a happier note, today is Bastille Day and note that France was the very first country to recognize Texas as a Republic. See the party topic in the porch (this) conference.

Do you want the mango? Find out the answer in food topic 69.

I'm back home .....wiped out after sitting with a dying aunt ...she died 3.20 am on Friday in her sleep. A little plain wooden cross and a hand to hold were all she wanted ....Still a bit weepy, but that's for me .. not her ..she's at peace now.

So sorry to hear of her passing, Maggie. My utmost condolences.

sorry to hear about that maggie *HUGS*

Mists of Avalon, a new topic in the tv conference, linked to movies.

Terry, do you still pay money to have Yapp as your conf. software? I was investigating web-based stuff yesterday for another site and came across Ikonboard (www.ikonboard.com). I decided to have a go at installing it at home and, bizarrely enough, I was up and running with a full conferencing system in about 15 minutes - 5 of which were spent figuring out that I had to change #!/usr/bin/perl to be #!perl (I should have read the documentation more closely - it was right there begging to be noticed). The best thing about Ikonboard, though, is that it's *free*. And, I would offer, somewhat superior to Yapp. Have you ever thought about using something else? Maybe you could set up up a demo site and invite a few people on to it. Just a thought!

Hmm.... does it allow html programming, Mike? Yeah, Yapp costs. Monthly, as far as I know - unless Terry has arranged for quarterly payments. Which reminds me, Time to check out Paypal and donate again.

Sure, we could set up a demo. We're pretty much paid up on Yapp now so we're not spending any more money now. And we solved the bandwidth crisis pretty much. Our main expenses now are in building backup facilities and processes and paying our fixed $300 a month for bandwidth and a FreeBSD server. Backup is our big push now.

Check PayPal, Terry. Your account should have an addition to it from me! Good news on getting all that bandwidth difficulty taken care of!

Hey great, thanks!!!!

(Marcia) Yapp costs. Monthly, as far as I know Nope. It's paid in full. No monthly charges for the s/w itself. Licensed in perpetuity. Got a question. Is there a place in Spring for people to talk about DVD players? Features, prices, etc.? Maybe it would attract some electronic expertise.

Good idea Karen, especially since Terry and Spring are now in the business. If you are a user of Yahoo Messenger you may have gotten a dire warning about their charging if we do not submit "1000,000" signatures. It is NOT true. Check Yahoo's help site for confirmation: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mesg/mesg-01.html

I'll set up a topic in music and computers. (linked)

Why there? Most people associate DVD with movies, even though you can play music on them.

I'll link it to movies also!

Done!

Spring is still down as far as posting to conferences. ] I'm depending on Kaylene for a fix and she's off at a wedding. Hopefully we'll get back online tomorrow but Kaylene hasn't told me when she could get to this. I'm hoping it will be tomorrow

Anyone who wants a shell account can use ssh to post. And example of this is at http://www.vandyke.com called SecureCRT. Email me for an account. Then ssh to 66.70.14.232 and login and you'll be able to post to the conferences. I'll be happy to talk you through this over the phone, give me your phone number when you email for an account. Be sure to include your username desired and I'll set you up.

Check out the Longhorn Football news in the sports conference, find out about how Texas has been looking in practice.

In the art conference, read about the collection of my cousin, Barney Ebsworth. It's amazing to read about his acheivements in the worlds of art, finance and ship building.

2 new topics in Collecting--porcelain flowers and lladro--come see!

I have been asked at times what inspired "The Spring". I would have to say it was my childhood at Chautauqua Illinois. Here's a desciption I wandered across on the net today. http://www.todaysseniors.com/memories/chautauqua2.shtml I found this clipping today on the web. The one nearest St. Louis, however-Piasa Chautauqua- has neither disappeared nor moved from its birthplace on what is now know as the Great River Road on the Mississippi between Alton and Grafton, IL, although it is no longer a center of public events. Still a picturesque, isolate retreat, crisscrossed by winding roads, it is a gated, private colony of more than 100 cottages or more substantial homes, many occupied by descendants of earlier owners. Founded in 1885 by Methodist leaders, as was the first Chautauqua in New York, Piasa Chautauqua for decades, even into the 1850s attracted thousands of St. Louisans and residents of Illinois. Arriving first by packet boat, later by automobile or the trains that ran by as often as six times a day, they were entertained, educated and inspired by such luminaries as William Jennings Bryan, evangelists Sam Jones, Billy Sunday and Gypsy Smith, the Swiss Bell Ringers, Sousas band and "Sunny Jim," reputed to be one of the Theodore Roosevelts Rough Riders. This is how an exuberant copywriter in the 1912 brochure described it: Piasa Chautauqua is located less than 40 miles from St. Louis in a beautiful valley between high, massive bluffs with the great Mississippi serving as a guard in front and almost unexplored forest at back, one of natures most picturesque spots, unknown to thousands but dear to those who have enjoyed its beauties and regained health from its wonderful springs and its clear, pure air, delightful cool nights, beautiful scenery and outdoor amusements, boating, swimming, fishing, bathing, lawn tennis, croquet, baseball etc. Many older St. Louisans and Illinois residents still remember those beauties and pure air and the outdoor amusements. Their children and grandchildren remember the fun they had there at mid-century. A 1954 clipping, save by Sylvia Twigger who was a director of childrens activities, reported a "clever and successful Childrens Day pageant entitled "Around the World." Frank Weyforth of Clayton portrayed Uncle Sam; Mary Ruth Kurt, Mrs. Twiggers sister, (now Mrs. Wesley Kempfer) was an assistant as were Barbara Jacoby, Barbara Rogers and Pat Schermann. Mary Meisel portrayed Miss United Nations. Another clipping stated, "if there were still a pied piper roaming our modern day world, most likely he would lead throngs of children down the Piasa bluffs into the little resort which rests in the valley off Alton Lake. The resort, Chautauqua, has often been proclaimed as "a childrens paradise." ...To make it safe, automobile drivers must observe a 10-mile speed limit and dogs can roam the grounds only when leashed or muzzled." Referring to a play school for children up to age 12, the clipping reported that the schools director, Mrs. Twigger, "became very popular with the resorts children when she served as lifeguard at the pool in the 1952 season...Mrs. Twigger, of St.Louis, resides with her family at the Glad-U- Could-Make-It cottage." Her mother, the late Mrs. Arthur Kurt, for some time managed the hotel on the property. When Piasa Chautauqua celebrated its 75th anniversary in 1960, Post-Dispatch writer Clarissa Start Wrote: "It is impossible to mention all names of all the families who have had a part in Chautauqua. A dozen or more have owned cottages there more than 50 years." Opera singer Anna Mary Dickey used to summer at Chautauqua, Start wrote, as did musician Gus Haenschen and Clark Clifford, Washington D.C. lawyer. The Chautauqua old-timers, she continued, "recall the days when street lights were tallow lamps, when the refrigeration system consisted of each family having a wooden box in the spring, fastened to the bank by ropes, so that when it rained, men ran frantically to save their boxes from being swept away. The Chicago, Peoria and St. Louis railroad and the improvised "dinky" on the Bluff line from Lockhaven, now in the Museum of Transport. The river boats, the City of Providence, Eagle, J.S. and Corwin Spencer which made regular excursions there."

That is so great - and what a great foundation for your cultural education you had! I was taken to the Met and to the NYC museums as a tiny child. I cannot recall the first time for Ballet, Concerts or Museum trips - I was also taught how to dress for each function with propriety. Alas, it all seems lost on the local inhabitants in Hawaii. Many of the places you mention are very familiar to me. My ex-cousin-in-law (is there such a thing?) is opera director in the Chautauqua Circuit these days. He used to be a performer.

here's something i want to talk about today....on the news friday night, they said that employment had taken a drop and were all yacking about it like it was some big surprise. well, HELLO, several major companies did lay off folks so that would be why the rates were down. and they acted like they couldn't figure it out. common sense has indeed taken a walk. (and marcia, i have ex-non-friends so go figure)

( I even have an ex-non-sister... ) Common sense has become less common and it is sometimes downright missing in a lot of the populace. I'm with you, Wolfie. I got the missing "Tease" again... =)

oh yeah, and not to mention that all the summer kids are back in school. and today, i found out we're hiring foreign nationals as teachers, no certificate required. am not sure how i feel about that. it goes right with the email you sent me today, marcia!

Yup!!! Scary, huh! out here they are begging anyone with a bachelor's degree in anything to sign up for teaching... When I heard that I decided I'd home teach any grandchildren I might have in the future (Nope, none yet...)

Isn't it nice to get the Mall back from the prowling unemployed but over-funded kids?!

A pair of Jumbo Jets have crashed into both towers of the New York City World Trade Center. It's being called a terrorist suicide mission. The Pentagon is on fire and they're evacuating the White House. There's a topic to talk about this in the news conference. Topic 43.

See the headline and link at http://www.spring.net This is horrible.

I need to form a "webteam" to help with spring.net's main page and subpages, I need help from folks like Ann (whose done this a lot in the past) who know how to use web design tools and who can help create a better structure on our website and tie in our sister websites more effectiviely (eg. austen.com and firth.com). Any volunteers? Please put out the word. We have Frontpage 2000 and are running the Apache webserver.

terry, i'd be glad to help out with the sysadmin stuff.

That's great Ray, our main system need right now is for backups. I can take this discussion to the projects conference for details.

Please someone help me with GEO.... I froze it by mistke by posting a command... please see your email for the script, Terry and remove it from both the header in the config file and from the "footer" in the rc file , PLEASE!! Or anyone who can do it. It is the ADD ME tracking script just below the amazon.com script in the rc file, and at the bottom of the rc file. Mahalo nui loa! Thank you! Grazie!

PLEASE DELETE BOTH and restore Geo to the Spring. It is inaccessible now, and I am bereft...

The news conference has at least a dozen topics dealing with Afghanistan and the post Sept. 11 World. There's a remarkable topic gleaned from the writings of David Kline, who understands the Afghani world better than almost any mainstream journalist. His observations are a real treat. It's topic 54. An excerpt from topic 51 on Afghanistan: Nothing became the Taliban so much as the manner of their departure. Their rule had been vicious and incompetent, and their defence against the >>>>>>>>> Northern Alliance bone-headed and feeble. But when it came to saving their skins, they were up to the task. On Monday afternoon they quietly collected their things, piled into their utilities and sped south. Those without transport held up cars on the street and turfed out their drivers. They left behind tonnes of equipment, but they got away. Their neighbors were astonished to find that they had fled like thieves. . . . Lot's more, treat yourself to the news conference's new topics: 43 730 Jumbo Jets crash in to World Trade Center 44 18 Media coverage of WTC attack and the aftermath 45 4 What can we do? What should we do? 46 4 suspension of civil liberties as a response to terrorism 47 7 coping with terrorism and a world gone to war 48 4 economic consequences of global war and terrorism 49 19 Finding Osama Bin Laden 50 0 What is the impact of the wtc crisis where you live? 51 20 Afghanistan 52 3 How do the world's countries line up in the terrorism war? 53 5 Farm folks and the World Trade Center attack 54 27 David Kline, former war correspondent in Afghanistan 55 5 The buildup to war 56 1 Power - Are our power sources safe? New look at alternate energy 57 2 web resources on the current global war 59 2 Pakistan 60 9 India 61 2 bioterrorism 62 3 computer terrorism in the post 9/11 world 63 1 Anthrax 64 1 Travel in the Post Attack World

I'd love to hear your responses in topic 50: 50 0 What is the impact of the wtc crisis where you live?

I posted a little piece of "candy" some where on the Spring today, but you may have to visit a conference that you don't normally frequent to find it. Clue: corazon has been there.

oh terry, you're enticing us with a scavenger hunt, eh?

I don't think you'll find it in time.

i didn't......

It's in spirit, that's a clue.

New stats are posted at http://www.spring.net/webtrends. For the month of September and October, 2001.

New stuff in news conference: Topic Resps Subject 36 785 Space Science News (MarciaH) 43 738 Jumbo Jets crash in to World Trade Center (terry) 49 22 Finding Osama Bin Laden (terry) 51 26 Afghanistan (terry) 54 31 David Kline, former war correspondent in Afghanistan (terry) 55 7 The buildup to war (terry) 62 5 computer terrorism in the post 9/11 world (terry) 64 7 Travel in the Post Attack World (terry)

Sat Nov 24 20:45:23 2001 Paul Terry Walhus (terry) responded to porch 56 461 (What do you want to talk about today?) Sat Nov 24 20:43:41 2001 Paul Terry Walhus (terry) responded to news 55 7 (The buildup to war) Sat Nov 24 20:40:49 2001 Paul Terry Walhus (terry) responded to news 62 5 (computer terrorism in the post 9/11 world) Sat Nov 24 20:39:26 2001 Paul Terry Walhus (terry) responded to news 62 4 (computer terrorism in the post 9/11 world) Sat Nov 24 20:31:09 2001 Paul Terry Walhus (terry) responded to news 55 6 (The buildup to war) Sat Nov 24 20:29:03 2001 Paul Terry Walhus (terry) responded to news 51 26 (Afghanistan)

um....what do i want to talk about today? hope every one had a safe and fulfilling thanksgiving day (even if you don't celebrate the holiday)!!

oh yeah, and there's a new topic in gardening about allowing wildlife in to create a unique ecosystem in your own backyard (even if your backyard consists of a mini balcony)

Hey, I commented there about the armadillo in my pool.

This website is awesome, it will take you back through time even to the days of www.spring.com. http://www.archive.org/index.html (a Smithsonian project, called the WaybackMachine)

You go to this site and just type in a website name, and it shows you many past incarnations of this webpage via it's snapshots in time.

I've read articles commenting that some dangerous stuff is still in the archives. Like classified material that was unclassified then deleted when the WTC atrocity happened. They are picking things out by hand. Heaven help us. You an even find plans for your own nuclear device there.

Deja Vu time on http://www.archives.org when you look up www.spring.com. Were we ever that young? Seems only yesterday! I love seeing it again!

that's really scary that all this stuff is out there. how do they actually get rid of it?

That's a pretty amazing site, the now defunct websites of yesteryear still live on.

George Harrison died. Discussions on the obits topic in news and the music 55 topic on the Beatles. All things must pass.

In the web conference, a lot of cool url's are listed to visit.

I recall posting a lot of them inthe web conference, myself. William and I managed to round up really impressive collection of free web-site graphics which I have used a lot. Can't be that we're getting older. Of what did George Harrison die? I'll go have a look at music topic 55. Thanks!

Cancer. There are some links in news, or music, to some earlier stories dettailing his cancer treatment. This latest batch of "cool url's" that I posted today is worth checking out, you'll be in for quite a few surprises.

I knew other Beatles have died of Cancer. This is sacry. Way too young! I'll check your urls!

No other Beatles have died except John Lennon, and he died of a gun shot.

Someone broke in to Harrison's huge mansion in England and attacked him with a knife for 17 minutes once, but his wife beat up the assailant and saved his life. It was a huge shock to him at the time.

????? Again??????? Is there no end to the agony of the Beatles? I thought England was far more civilised than that...

Not again, I was referring to the original incident many years ago.

Marcia got some spam today, look in the food conference and you'll see what I mean. She's even been offered *photographs* of spam.

Wow!!! Salivating at the thought. I'm off to food to see what has been offered! Thanks, Terry.

Terry, the Crafts Conference cannot be seen from the public url for spring. We will get more exposure if you enable the http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/public/browse/crafts/all http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/public/browse/geo/all Geo's works just fine!

You mean it needs a link on the main page?

What's gone wrong with Hawaii. See travel topic 37.

web conference. cool urls. topic 3.

Got a ton of them. Webcams showing it snowing in HAWAII!!!!

wow!! what an oxymoron!!!!

terry, ftp isn't working for me--i can log in but can't transfer files. and i keep getting errors when i try to visit my domain--anyone else having this trouble?

Email me all the details of what you're doing. ftp is working in general on our system.

k, thanks!

Wolfie, mine was working as of last night. I have to go up three files and then down three to get to mine but they work! I have created a folder for you in /marci if you need to ftp and find mine is working for you while yours is being repaired.

Got your email wolfie but it didn't have enough detail. Tell me username, pwd, directory etc. etc. and I can make it work for you.

don't have a clue what my password is--it was saved on the ftp program and pops up automatically. did give you the directory though. lemme check on it some more. thanks marcia--i can get into my files just can't bring anything over.

I'll send you an email today. This is easily solved.

(terry, still waiting on that email *smile*) wanted to take a moment and wish all of you and your families happy holidays and best wishes for a happy, healthy, safe new year!

Fellowship of the Rings. A new topic in movies. Topic 51 to be exact. A wonderful movie.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy New Year! Check out live on the http://www.spring.net/webcast !!!!!!

Did you turn out all the lights on us? Or am I too late to celebrate? It's only 3:25 (1535 HST) so we've many hours yet to go. Happy New Year!