~terry
Sun, Sep 8, 2002 (07:50)
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CACTUS is a group of mostly computer professionals and students. The purpose of the group is to educate and connect people interested in Unix and Open Systems related topics. We meet on the 3rd Thursday of every month at The Applied Research Labs of the University of Texas (see Meeting Schedule and Map for details on getting to the meetings). The meeting begins at 6:30 with pizza and drinks and socializing. This is usually followed at 7:00 by a 30 minute tutorial on topics such as awk, mail, sed and the like. The main presentation follows the tutorial. We try to mix technical and non-technical so we have had meetings about many different types of hardware (often presented by the vendor and many times with hands-on demos), policy and procedures, computer crimes, public domain mail readers, and various panels. The main presentations are about 1 to 1.5 hours. We try to wrap up by 9:00. The group is headed by a board of directors.
Membership is $25/yr. This covers the pizza, drinks, a monthly newsletter, and meeting related supplies.
Meetings are open to the public, at no charge. Feel free to come and "audit" one or two, if you like. We're very casual, though it may take some effort on your part to meet people. But if you can come some time, please introduce yourself to an officer.
~terry
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Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society
CACTUS Newsletter
Volume 18, Number 5 - May 2002
Contents:
* [1]May meeting: Argus Systems PitBull LX
* [2]April Meeting Report
* [3]Our Newsletter E-Mail List
* [4]CACTUS System News
* [5]Review: Knoppix Run from CD Linux
* [6]Building Mozilla from source on FreeBSD
* [7]Membership Report
* [8]CACTUS Officers and Contacts
* [9]CACTUS Sponsors
* [10]Meeting Location and Map
May Meeting Program
Larry Thompson and members of RFD Associates will describe the the
Argus-Systems PitBull LX product which provides e-Commerce
environments with the most formidable level of protection from the
inside out.
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April Meeting Report
by Lindsay Haisley
The meeting was reasonably well attended by current CACTUS meeting
standards. All officers were present except for Newsletter editor Bob
Izenberg. Bob had expressed some concern regarding the equity for our
deal with Tomorrow's Technologies under which we're trading use of our
portable class C network for a 1U rack space with Tomorrow's Tech. I
expressed Bob's concern to the meeting, and suggested that while the
deal was in Tomorrow's Tech's favor as far as the value of these
resources is concerned, Mike Erwin and his comrades have been solid
supporters of CACTUS, hosting linux.cactus.org faithfully for several
years without complaint while we juggled our Sparc 10 between
reluctant sponsors. A motion was made, seconded and passed to stand by
our previous decision on the exchange.
Membership chair Luis Basto gave a very interesting presentation and
demonstration of Knoppix - a bootable, runnable Linux on a CD-ROM.
Knoppix Linux boots from CD-ROM, loads the kernel and sets up part of
its filesystem on a RAM disk. It will find and use swap space on a
hard drive if it's available, or grap swap space on a DOS hard drive
partition. It runs X (KDE desktop) if memory is available, or simple
command line interface if not. It will run in CLI mode with as little
as 16M of memory present. Everyone at the meeting was fairly well
impressed. Knoppix is free, covered under the GNU public license, and
is available from [12]http://www.knopper.net/knoppix. The seat of
Knoppix development is in Germany and many of the online information
is in German, however English translations of some pages are posted as
well, enough to make it worthwhile for English speaking Linux
enthusiasts to pay the site a visit.
The main presentation of the evening was given by Jennifer Green from
Veritas, who gave us a grand tour of the Veritas Foundation Suite
consisting of the Veritas Volume Manager and filesystem. Veritas is an
Enterprise level storage management solution with many capabilities.
She presented each element of of the Veritas suite with ample graphics
and capably answered many questions from members present. Those
interested in pursuing a further study of Veritas can learn more at
the Veritas website at [13]http://www.veritas.com.
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Knoppix - a complete runnable Linux on CD-ROM
by Luis Basto
Achtung! Knoppix is a full blown Gnu/Linux distribution runnable from
a CD without need for installation. As such, it is ideal as a Linux
learning platform, a rescue system, a security scanner, or for doing
presentations and demos. It is developed by Klaus Knopper,
http://www.knopper.net. Much of the stuff is in German but there are
many links in English. Since the whole package is open source under
Gnu GPL, the sources can be found at
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/sources.
One of its most powerful features is the automatic recognition of many
types of graphic cards, sound cards, SCSI and other peripheral
devices. It uses transparent decompression to pack lots of software
onto a single CD. For example, the Version 2.1 which I demo'ed at the
April CACTUS meeting contained over 1.7 GB of software compressed onto
a 700 MB CD.
True to most Linux distros, Knoppix is quite frugal in system
requirements. It works with a 486 PC or better, can run with only 16
MB in text mode and 82 MB or more for X (KDE or Gnome), with 128 MB
recommended. Since it runs from CD, it needs to have a bootable CD-ROM
or DVD. For older BIOSes that do not have the CD-ROM as a bootable
device, one can boot from diskette and then run from CD. I have not
verified this mode. Obviously, it also needs a SVGA graphics card and
a mouse for X. I suppose these are not even needed for text mode but I
don't even have a 486 without a VGA card to test.
The Knoppix kernel is based on Debian 2.4x, with KDE 2.2 as the
standard desktop but Gnome can also be selected as a desktop choice.
It also comes with Koffice, Konqueror, OpenOffice(TM) 6.x, and tons of
other software, utilities, and development tools.
When it boots, it automatically configures all devices that it sees,
including starting up dhcpd to connect to a network or internet. It
uses as much RAM as needed to boot Linux and configures the rest as
ramdisk, which is configured as a /dev/shm filesystem. Therefore, it
can run on any PC without need to re-partition the hard drive.
However, for better performance, one may want to configure a swap,
extfs, or FAT partition. Knoppix will see and will be able to use all
these upon bootup. It can also see an NTFS partition as readonly,
which is actually quite handy since that means it can read and use
files on a Win2000 or XP system.
After some usage, it may get a bit tedious to always boot up in the
same configuration and having to open several applications before
anything can be done. The website has some information on customizing
a configuration or desktop and burning a custom CD. Even as it is,
Knoppix is so easy to use and yours truly is lazy enough that the
Version 2.1 CD is quite adequate. Perhaps my most enjoyable
accomplishment is showing it to a middle school student and saw his
eyes light up. He immediately asked for a CD.
It is certainly a good early start and makes me feel like a fireman
rescuing someone from the flaming tongues of Windowsdom.
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Mozilla from Source on FreeBSD
By Gil Kloepfer
"A pre-compiled 'package' is only as good as the system it's compiled
on." This was a lesson of which I became painfully aware when I tried
to install the 1.0 RC1 version of the Mozilla web browser
(www.mozilla.org) on my FreeBSD system last week. To make a long story
short, what was supposed to be a simple
untar-into-this-directory-and-run became a
nightmare. Several versions of shared libraries for tools upon which
Mozilla was built were (for reasons unknown) being required by the
Mozilla binary for FreeBSD that I downloaded from the Mozilla web
site. After experimenting on a sacrificial FreeBSD 4.5 system and the
FreeBSD package collection for several hours, and with only some
degree of success, I decided to compile Mozilla from scratch.
Hopefully this will give users of FreeBSD and other UNIX-based
operating systems some confidence to try to compile this very complex
software system on their own system.
Step 1 - Getting the raw materials
The Mozilla compile will take in excess of 450 megabytes of disk
space, including source and object files. Be sure to have a filesystem
big enough to "do the deed" before beginning. Running out of disk
space during a compile like this can cause great amounts of
frustration.
As summarized in the Mozilla web site, you will need the following
software (I recommend compiling the auxiliary libraries and utilities
from scratch as well):
Mozilla Source (see http://www.mozilla.org/ for the latest)
Zip 2.3 or better (see http://www.info-zip.org/)
GNU make 3.79.1 or better (see ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/)
Glib 1.2.0 or better and GTK+ (see ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v1.2/)
libIDL 0.6.3 or better (see
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/libraries/source/)
For FreeBSD and the source tarball (not CVS), this is enough to get
started. Linux users and those interested in further details may wish
to see the UNIX build details at
http://www.mozilla.org/build/unix-details.html.
Step 2 - Get the libraries and utilities installed
My mistake was trying to originally install precompiled packages of
the above libraries. The result was more frustration. Compiling
yourself isn't too hard. However, if your FreeBSD system already has
these utilities/libraries installed via packages, you will overwrite
these packages and confuse the package manager. The problem that
resulted in this effort was likely due, in part, to having too many
different versions of a particular library on the system. Decide
whether or not you want to utilize the package or compile the
libraries/utilities yourself. Just be aware that if you choose the
latter, you may not be able to use some prepackaged utilities or
libraries later.
I built (in order) Zip, GNU make, Glib, GTK+, and libIDL. Zip is the
only one without a GNU configure script. That one builds without a GNU
configure script:
{untar zip file}
$ cd zip-2.3
$ make -f unix/Makefile gcc-generic
{su}
# make -f unix/Makefile install
The other libraries build in the typical GNU fashion as:
$ ./configure
$ make
{su}
# make install
Everything built? No errors? Cool...
One thing I did was create a link from /usr/local/bin/make to
/usr/local/bin/gmake so that I wouldn't need to specify a full
pathname to run GNU make. I suggest doing this, and will assume this
in the text below.
The other thing I did without RTFMing was to remove the sgid-bit to
kmem from /usr/local/bin/make (chmod g-s /usr/local/bin/make). I'm
sure the answer to WHY they did this is somewhere in the man pages,
but it sure seemed like a security hole waiting to happen to me.
Step 3 - Unpack and prep the lizard
Untar the Mozilla source onto your big filesystem. In the top-level
mozilla directory, you will want to create a file called .mozconfig
containing the following lines:
ac_add_options --disable-tests
ac_add_options --disable-debug
ac_add_options --enable-optimize="-O2 -Wl,-O2 -pipe"
ac_add_options --without-system-nspr
ac_add_options --without-system-zlib
ac_add_options --without-system-jpeg
ac_add_options --without-system-png
ac_add_options --without-system-mng
ac_add_options --enable-crypto
ac_add_options --enable-reorder
ac_add_options --disable-dtd-debug
ac_add_options --prefix=/usr/local/mozilla
These come courtesy of the person who did the original Mozilla compile
for FreeBSD. If you have a REALLY fast machine or lots of free time,
you may want to experiment with other options. These are essentially
options added to the Mozilla autoconfig (./configure) script.
Once you've got all this done, try doing a ./configure and see if the
Mozilla configure script is happy. Lack of happiness can hopefully be
figured out from the output of configure, or from config.log.
Step 4 - Do the gmake thang
You're now ready to make Mozilla from source. This took a little over
2 hours on an unloaded P3/533 system with 128MB of memory. Type
"gmake" and go do something else for a while. NOTE: If you start
getting lots of Makefile errors, you're probably not using GNU make.
Step 5 - Where's the finished product?
I was kind of surprised there wasn't a "gmake install" to put the
product in /usr/local/mozilla as I would have expected. The Mozilla
UNIX build web page was a help here as well. What I ultimately did was
change to the dist/bin subdirectory and there was the finished
product. I used GNU tar (standard with FreeBSD) and the -h option
(which dereferences symlinks rather than tarring them up) to build a
tarball of the bin directory and everything underneath. Then, I
created /usr/local/mozilla and untarred the finished product in that
location.
Step 6 - Getting it going
After you have it in the final location, you will need to do the
following (as root) in order to get all the internal registries built:
# /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla-config --prefix=/usr/local/mozilla
# /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla
The browser will display text messages noting the registry builds, and
then start the browser. At this point, you can exit the browser and
run Mozilla as an unprivileged user.
Final Thoughts
The Mozilla web site is chock-full of useful help in doing the build
of the browser. Be sure to take a look there for help getting started.
Happy browsing!
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Our Newsletter E-mail List
We're trying to keep the mailing list for the CACTUS newsletter up to
date and make sure that everyone who's a member gets a copy of it. If
you use more than one email address, our efforts may result in your
getting multiple copies of the newsletter. If this is the case, you
can easily unsubscribe any address at which you don't want to receive
the newsletter as follows.
Assume you're getting the newsletter at the address oh_no@not.here.gov
and you don't want to receive it at this address. Send a blank email
to the following address
cactus-news-unsubscribe-oh_no=not.here.gov@lists.cactus.org
Note that the address you want to unsubscribe is included in this
address, with the "@" symbol replaced with an equal sign. You'll get a
confirmation request sent to oh_no@not.here.gov asking if you really
want to unsubscribe. Just reply to this confirmation and it's a done
deal.
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CACTUS System News
by Lindsay Haisley
Linux.cactus.org appears to be back in the pink again. The power
supply has been replaced, which seems to have solved the restarting
problem. In the process of replacing the power supply, it came to my
attention that the IBM Uninteruptable Power Supply .... wasn't. Either
the battery, the charging circuits, or the inverter circuits had
failed, and there was no backup power at all. The unit was a
Tripplite, branded by IBM and rather similar to our earlier (also
defunct) Tripplite UPS. A plea for advice produced a donation of a
used APC BackUPS, thanks to CACTUS newsletter editor Bob Izenberg. Bob
had timed the batteries in the unit as being able to provide about 20
minutes of power, which should see us through most power outages. I
have not, and may not connect up the USB interface to the box since
the new Linux RAID-1 under kernel 2.4 is much more robust and the
interminable boot times resulting from an improper shutdown are a
thing of the past. RAID-1 resyncing takes place in the background now,
and normal system activity can occur while the RAID drives
synchronize.
There's been some grumbling, and a general assessment by several
CACTUS officers (including yours truly) of the quality of Tripplite
UPSes using descriptive terminology not appropriate for this
publication. The unit sits in my old electronics pile labeled "Junk"
and if anyone wants it, it's theirs for the asking. One more nice
door-stop to add to your collection.
Sometime before the end of May, the box will go to David Maynard's
office to live. It'll be NATed to a private address, but not
masqueraded. We'll be able to do _most_ things on the box which we
would do if we had a routable address for it. Exceptions are probably
bind and nesus. David has generously offered to set up DNS for us on
one of his boxes with a real IP address.
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Membership report
Some of you have received refund checks from the IRS. What better use
is there but to send in a check to renew your membership. We promise
to put it to good use to bring you great programs and tasty pizza. Of
course you should try to come to the meetings, otherwise we will eat
all your tasty pizza while watching your great programs
.
Membership
----------
Someday we may be able to accept direct deposit or PayPal but
currently we only deal with checks and cash, preferably in small
unmarked bills.
To renew your membership, please send check or money order payable to
CACTUS ($25/yr for regular membership and $96/yr for corporate
sponsorship):
CACTUS
PO BOX 9786
AUSTIN, TX 78766-9786
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CACTUS Officers
* President:Ray Schafer
* Treasurer: Johnny Long
* Membership: Luis Basto
* Programs: Ron Roberts
* Publicity: M.H. Khan
* Newsletter: Bob Izenberg
* Scribe: Lindsay Haisley
* Members at Large: M.H. Kahn, Gil Kloepfer, Michael Rice
_________________________________________________________________
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CACTUS Sponsors
Significant Contributing Sponsors
Applied Research Laboratories/University of Texas at Austin
[21]www.arlut.utexas.edu
(Gil Kloepfer, Computer Science Division (CSD), 835-3771,
[22]gil@arlut.utexas.edu)
OuterNet [23]www.outer.net
Internet service provider.
OnRamp [24]www.onr.com
Internet service provider.
CACTUS Sponsors
Auspex Systems [25]www.auspex.com
Fastest reliable network fileservers.
Outserv.net [26]www.outserv.net
Covad/Laserlink [27]www.laserlink.net
(Chip Rosenthal)
Multi Media Arts (MMA)
(Lee Williams, 451-7191)
Publisher of instructional materials for classroom and
independent study.
Friends of CACTUS
Applied Formal Methods, Inc.
(Susan Gerhart, 794-9732, [28]gerhart@cactus.org)
Austin Code Works
(Scott Guthery, 258-0785, [29]info@acw.com)
CASDNS, Inc. [30]www.casdns.net
(Warren Brown, (800) 977-3475), [31]wlb@cas-com.net)
A top-level domain name registrar, CORE member.
CTG
(Maurine Mecer, 502-0190 [FAX 502-0287])
Professional recruiting.
EDP Contract Services
(Mark Grabenhorst, 346-1040) Professional recruiting.
Hewlett Packard [32]www.hp.com
(Bill Sumrall, 338-7221)
Hounix [33]http://www.texascomputers.com/hounix/
(Marilyn Harper)
Houston's Unix Users Group.
Network Appliance Corporation[34] www.netapp.com
(Frank Mozina, fmozina@netapp.com)
O'Keefe Search [35]www.okeefesearch.com
Professional recuiting. (John OKeefe,
[36]john@okeefesearch.com, 512-658-9224 or 888-446-2137)
Sailaway System Design
(Chris J Johnson, 447-5243)
Schlumberger [37]www.slb.com
(Kathy O'Brien, [38]obrien@asc.slb.com)
Technical services and products in over 100 countries.
Silicon Graphics [39]www.sgi.com
(Don Williams, 346-9342)
Solid Systems
(Pete Farrell, 442-2222)
Sterling Infomation Group [40]www.sterinfo.com
(Darrell Hanshaw, 344-1005, [41]dhanshaw@sterinfo.com)
Sun Microsystems [42]www.sun.com
(Rick Taylor)
Supplier of Unix client-server computing solutions.
Texas Internet Consulting [43]www.tic.com
(Smoot Carl-Mitchell, 451-6176, [44]smoot@tic.com)
TCP/IP networking, Unix, and open systems standards.
Technow
A Sun Authorized Training Center and a Hardware Reseller.
Unison Software
(Shelley St. John, 478-0611)
Supplier of networked systems management solutions.
UT Computer Science Department
(Patti Spencer)
UT Computation Center
(Mike Cerda, 471-3241, [45]cerda@uts.cc.utexas.edu)
_________________________________________________________________
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CACTUS Meeting Location:
Applied Research Labs
CACTUS meets on the third Thursday of each month at the Applied
Research Labs (ARL) in the JJ Jake Pickle Research Campus (JJ PRC).
We'll meet in the main auditorium located directly behind the guard's
desk and main lobby.
Please do not show up earlier than 6:20 pm on the specified day. Enter
through the main entrance at 10000 Burnet Road for ARL:UT. Tell the
guard that you are here for the CACTUS meeting. You will be required
to sign a log book, but not required to wear a badge. The guards will
direct you to the auditorium entrance. Limited parking in the front of
the building is available, but more extensive parking is available in
the large parking lot just north of the ARL building. After 6:30 pm,
all entrances to JJ PRC, except for the Burnet Road entrance, are
closed and locked. You can still enter the parking lot in front of the
ARL building. No parking tags are necessary after 6:00 pm. See map for
further details.
Online maps are available at:
* [47]http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/ -- J.J. Pickle Research Campus
* [48]http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/areas/se.html -- South East
Quadrant (ARL:UT)
As always, please leave the facility as you saw it when you arrived.
References
1.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#meeting
2.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#minutes
3.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#maillist
4.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#system
5.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#knoppix
6.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#mozilla
7.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#membership
8.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#officers
9.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#sponsors
10.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#location
11.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
12. http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/
13. http://www.veritas.com/
14.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
15.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
16.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
17.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
18.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
19.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
20.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
21. http://www.arlut.utexas.edu/
22. mailto:gil@arlut.utexas.edu
23. http://www.outer.net/
24. http://www.onr.com/
25. http://www.auspex.com/
26. http://www.outserv.net/
27. http://www.laserlink.net/
28. mailto:gerhart@cactus.org
29. mailto:info@acw.com
30. http://www.casdns.net/
31. mailto:wlb@cas-com.net
32. http://www.hp.com/
33. http://www.texascomputers.com/hounix/
34. http://www.netapp.com/
35. http://www.okeefesearch.com/
36. mailto:john@okeefesearch.com
37. http://www.slb.com/
38. mailto:obrien@asc.slb.com
39. http://www.sgi.com/
40. http://www.sterinfo.com/
41. mailto:dhanshaw@sterinfo.com
42. http://www.sun.com/
43. http://www.tic.com/
44. mailto:smoot@tic.com
45. mailto:cerda@uts.cc.utexas.edu
46.
file://localhost/var/www/www.cactus.org/docs/CACTUS/cn052002.html#masthead
47. http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/
48. http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/areas/se.html
~terry
Sun, Dec 8, 2002 (17:00)
#2
* 2002 Meeting Schedule
Feb 21 Main Program: Mike Erwin (formerly of OuterNet Connection
Strategies, an Austin-area ISP) speaks about computer
forensics and security.
Chip Rosenthal, of Unicom Systems Development.
Recipient of Austin Chronicle's 1997 Tech Award for
"Best Usenet Watchdog & Helpful Guy" for his fight
against SPAM, will discuss his battle with a
California company that is attempting to commandeer
his primary domain that he has been using since 1990.
March 21 Chad Kissinger of OnRamp (onr.com) will speak about HR 1542,
the Tauzin/Dingell bill.
April 18 Tim Trader, of VERITAS Software, will be presenting
VERITAS Volume Manager and FIle System. These products work
across multiple UNIX platforms and provide a great deal of
functionality. The soon to be released version will now run
on Linux and AIX.
May 16 Larry Thompson and members of RFD Associates will describe
the the Argus-Systems PitBull LX product which provides
e-Commerce environments with the most formidable level of
protection, from the inside out.
June 20 Ralph Kirkley, head hunter extrodinaire with decades of
experience in the Austin area
July 11 Eric Raymond: best-selling author and noted open-source activist.
August 15 Lindsay Haisley presents a tutorial on Courier ("Qmail on steriods").
A mail tranfer agent.
Sept 19 Steve Dobbelstein & Kevin Corry: Enterprise Volume Management System
(An IBM Open Source Linux project).
EVMS includes a kernel space runtime and a modularized engine
that provides APIs for the creation, configuration, management,
and deletion of volumes, volume groups, partitions and disks.
October 17 Kevin P. Dankwardt: Embedded Linux.
The speaker is founder and President of K Computing, a Silicon
Valley training and consulting firm. He has spent most of the
last 9 years designing, developing, and delivering technical
training for such subjects as Unix system programming, Linux
device drivers, real-time programming, and parallel-programming
for various organizations world-wide. He received his Ph.D. in
Computer Science, in 1988.
~terry
Sun, Dec 8, 2002 (17:05)
#3
The above posted for historical reasons. I'm glad Chip kept his name. I wasn't so lucky when Realtime's Bob Gustwick and George Wenzel stole the name austin.com from me with email forgery. It was back in the days when there weren't adequate safeguards to protect domain name owners. And since they had root power over my server and could easily spoof my email address, it was easy for them to send a domain name transfer to Network Solutions transferring the name austin.com from spring.net and me to realtime.net and them.
Gustwick and Wenzel are thieves and cheats. And liars. Because they deny it to this day. Gustwick and Wenzel are some of the worst scumbags in the Internet business because they stole my livlihood from me.
At least Skip Rosenthal kept his domain name. I wasn't so lucky.