How's your connection to the Spring?

Some days yes, some days no. I think a lot of it is on my end with a slow ISP, but sometimes the Spring just loads slowly--I notice it when I am FTPing to, not just when I'm on the boards.

Last night (Thursday) I was unable to log on. The dialog box said "timed out". Maybe my ISP..but all the other websites were ok. It's erratic. (Didn't say erotic....maybe that too!!)

had trouble getting in last night too, got a message the computer couldn't connect to the server. Buuuuut, i tried the basic url (http://www.spring.net) and got in no problem.

FTPing is slow right now--practically stuck (Noon Central time).

just curious...why is this in the Drool conference? :)

Cause I had so many emails and icq's from droolers the other night when we went down. And you are such a large, supportive group!

I always want to go to drool too, but I don't know much about actors, male or female, and I'm too lazy to start reading up on them. What a damned shame.

(Charlotte) just curious...why is this in the Drool conference? :) This is one of those topics that is linked from it's original Conference (Porch) to Drool and responses appear in both places. Since we droolers often stay within the walls of this Conference, I think this is Terry's way of introducing us to the people who participate at other parts of Spring. Sounds like a good idea to me. (Terry) And you are such a large, supportive group! However single-minded we are ;-p (Riette) I always want to go to drool too, but I don't know much about actors, male or female Really? There is no actor you have a crush on? Come, come...fess up, who is it? ;-D We also do general celebrities (sports figures, musicians, men in the news, Historical Hunks). If you think of someone who does it for you, I'll be happy to start a topic and hunt down some photos to facilitate your drooling :-) Oh, incidentally Terry...my connection is just fine. Except for the times when Spring hiccups, I fly through the boards. I've even grown fond of the Yapp software (something I once thought I'd never get used to). Hope you never change it ;-)

Charlotte Thanks for the explanation, guys! What a team! Come join us. Newcomers are always welcomed . (Riette) I always want to go to drool too, but I don't know much about actors, male or female Honey...on this board...you'll learn fast. Great fun. Hop on!

(especially if it's onto your favorite actor...)

Thanks Evelyn - just might!

Hmm, Riette hopping on to her favorite actor, now, there was an offer of posting photos and starting a topic but facilitating this would be pretty amazing, but Nan, Evelyn et al are very capable.

Riette hopping on to her favorite actor, now, there was an offer LOL....See what I mean, Riette. #68, 97 & 98 are my favs..... Colin Firth..... but all are fun.

oh, riette, david duchovny is there too! (guess who started that one *grin*)

Hop on it, girls.

I'm not hopping onto anyone but Sean Connery and Anthony Hopkins - they give me the shivers, they're so sexy. Especially Anthony Hopkins. Hope I never get to meet him, I'll probably go into a coma or something!

LOL!!

You're my kind of woman, Riette! All my friends don't understand why I never want to meet Kevin. It's nice to know someone who does.

You and I are the only ones on the planet with a fondness for Waterworld, Riette! He first caught my eye in Fandango, and has been getting better ever since.

(Charlotte) You and I are the only ones on the planet with a fondness for Waterworld, Riette! I liked Waterworld (but, in truth, I've always felt it was because Kevin can do no wrong for me ;-D) It's not Bull Durham, but what is? ;-)~~~

Hey, there's now 3 people on the planet who liked Waterworld, count me in! But I was far more interested in Jeanne Triplehorn (who also played in The Firm with Tom Cruise).

didn't see Waterworld...

Go rent it, KM! We need to start a movement here! I'm sure you'll like it, and then we'll have four people on the planet who liked it. :)

I loved it mostly because of the brilliant photography, and all those wonderful scrap metal contructions. Charlotte, Nan would you two like to come and join us in Art? I think (I hope) it isn't boring there, even for people who aren't 'into' art. There's even some art by Wer and Autumns daughters. Plus I promised Terry something very special in return for a sketch from him!

(Riette) Charlotte, Nan would you two like to come and join us in Art? I think (I hope) it isn't boring there, even for people who aren't 'into' art. Actually, I've already been...several times. I was going to jump into the American Impressionist conversation then I got sidetracked somehow :-/ Plus I promised Terry something very special in return for a sketch from him! And that would be...? ;-)

Go and see for yourself in the 'Let the fun begin' topic! No, it would be great to have you there too, Nan.

Been a little 'disconnected' to the Spring... but here I am! How's the drooling going guys and gals?

Welcome back, Stacey! School back in session?

I've had no problems this morning - and last night I was out, so I don't know if it will have worked then. I'll see how it goes from tomorrow night onwards though....tonight I'm out again! Cool, edgy, hip!

If we get any cooler, edgier and hipper I think I'm gonna throw up!

Roll down the window.

I'm down at the colocation site for the Spring and I just brought www back up. What an ordeal! I had a spare power supply to swap in but it didn't match the old one on this box. At least the connectors are different, and no soldering iron! Well, it's back together with bubble gum and bailing wire. It's not that bad, it's just the fan inside the power supply that I had to replace. And it's spinning now. And this server is running cooler. Check the time on this box and high tail it outa here. Captains Log, stardate 8/30/98 10:22 pm we are back on line after a brief interuption of about 20 minutes of moaning and groaning. You can resume normal activities now!

Thank you, cool guy!

I dunno... he sounded a bit more edgy to me!

Yep, more toward edgy on the proverbial edgy/cool continuum.

I hope this posting goes through. I am testing. It went through on Topic 1 Introductions.

Thank you....so far, so good. :-))

I've asked William Roland (wer@spring.net) to set up Heidi and Karen as hosts of drool. Congratulations Heidi and Karen! I'm out of pocket so hopefully Wm. can do this sometime today. If not, I can get you set up with hostly powers later. But in the meantime, please correspond with wer@spring.net about this and he'll, hopefully, get in touch with you!

anyone having browser problems might like to take a look at Opera - http://www.operasoftware.com

MSIE 4.0 was quite buggy and had problems with a lot of different applications. I installed 4.01 and have had no problems either here or anywhere else.

Thanks, Terry. Will get in touch with William to get the ball rolling.

Great! And thanks so much Heide! New folks in apps: Topic 102 of 387: 'PIRCH' Resp 13 of 13: Solarboy (Solarboy) Sat, Sep 26, 1998 (04:12) 2 lines All the chat programs are similar or are they? l'm trying to find a relativly easy way of conversating. [102/387] Respond, forget, or pass? Item 263 entered Fri, Aug 9, 1996 (19:54) by Paul Terry Walhus (terry) I-View 1 new of 1 response total. Topic 263 of 387: 'I-View' Resp 1 of 1: Pierre R. Schwob (prs) Mon, Sep 28, 1998 (16:02) 5 lines This program isn't supported any longer (since 1996!) Please do not attempt to register for this shareware. Pierre R. Schwob PRS Corporation [263/387] Respond, forget, or pass? Item 381 entered Tue, May 5, 1998 (02:54) by Forrest H. Stroud (buzz) Microsoft Media Player 1 new of 2 responses total. Topic 381 of 387: 'Microsoft Media Player' Resp 2 of 2: John Tubbs (WhytKnyt) Thu, Sep 24, 1998 (17:26) 2 lines Version 6.0? The Microsoft download site says it's version 5.2.

Heide, I'll change your host login from Heide to heide tomorrow... is Karen's login name all lower case as well?

Bill, I login as KarenR. Thanks.

got it...will fix your and Heide's logins as soon as I can...

done...heide and KarenR are now hostesses...

If i may be so bold (and nosy) what happened to the old hostess?

Nan won the Powerball lottery and retired!! Just kidding. She's in graduate school and, with her work on cf.com, she needed to lighten up on her Drool responsibilities. Took two of us to replace her. :-)

Hey, William...Terry...anybody home?? How's about setting Karen and Heide's passwords that they sent you for the sub-directories and setting up their email accounts. Karen has a real neat cover of Colin that we are all eager to see and she can't do it ....Youse' holdin' up the woiks.....:-)

Calling Terry now...

wuz up?

See my note in the projects conference.

Thanks Terry, William and Jeff. I have alerted Karen and Heide. Karen has pictures to scan and can't do it. Appreciate what you guys can do to install the new credentials. I am off to UK. See ya' at the end of the month.

Have fun in the UK, say hi to Mike Griggs if you see him on the street there.

Trying to get onto Topic 2, Terry, but I keep getting an internal server error or misconfiguration. Gee, is it just me? I also get the same message in Topic 34 but no problem anywhere else I've gone. Also, can you explain why Topic 98 doesn't show up in the Conference Center page? There is daily activity there but perhaps it's just me again.

I'll look in to these problems Heide, seems to be working ok today. You may just need to retry. Important information about the Y2K bug: Topic 7 of 9: Y2K or Year 2000 problem Sat, May 2, 1998 (09:22) | Paul Terry Walhus (terry) 1 new of 2 responses total. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Topic 7 of 9 [computer]: Y2K or Year 2000 problem Response 2 of 2: Paul Terry Walhus (terry) * Sun, Oct 11, 1998 (10:31) * 1 lines

Terry, According to the conference log, Topic 98 was "retired" by Myretta on 10/8. As a result, it does not show up on the main listing or for those of us who use "new" even if there are new comments. Can you undo this or will we need to start a new topic for Film Discussions, one of our most active? Also, has a subdirectory been set up for uploading pictures that we wish to link to the drool conference? A ~karen??? or ~heide???

Just decided to do a little testing myself and inadvertenly "retired" this topic. Sorry. :(

Moon, you can still read and post at 98. All "retirement" means is that it doesn't show up on the menu page.

new here, what do i need to know to be political,etc. not sure i understand the layout of the land. sounds interesting however want to listen and learn before jumping in .

i took a left while looking to down load realaudio. looked interesting. looking to chat and moving around to see what's happening . loved the name moonbeam.....an intellectually sound decision.

yo, just read "macworld", i don't have a mac. guess that's it guys. sorry i won't get to know the rest.

According to the conference log, Topic 98 was "retired" by Myretta on 10/8. That's odd. I haven't done a hostly deed in months.

Thank you cfadm whoever you are for resurrecting the topics. :) And Myretta, I always blame the mouse. ;-o

Willliam most likely restored the topics. cfadm is the administrative account for Yapp.

yep, it's all my fault...

This systems been running continually without crashing for 47 days now. We probably need to do a reboot just to let the processes clear out.

The floods have wreaked havoc with our net connection out of San Antonio, but it only seems to be affecting the Spring's subnet isdn connection so far. But there is major work going on at the colocation site to get the routing back to what it was before all the heavy weather. We're on a UPS but there may be outages due to the regions abnormal weather. Stay tuned.

Next time you come in it may. wer has some insights on this (email spew@www.spring.net)

actually, it's probably better to e-mail me at either rotazo@aol.com or kitchen_manager@juno.com or wer@spring.net (don't think you ever did a forward on spew@www.spring.net, or did you, Terry?)

You do have a forward file set up there now and it forwards spewmail to both hotmail and your other email acct but not to wer.

It goes to Juno and Hotmail.

Who at Hotmail? Should forward to AOL... not sure if I remember my Hotmail address and password...

Just log in to your account, and do a pico .forward and you can edit it yourself anytime.

cool...

Usually, .forward files are setup like this: \wer,wer@hotmail.com,wer@aol.com where the \wer keeps a copy on the spring machine. If you set it up like this: wer@hotmail.com,wer@aol.com then no copy will be kept on the forwarding server and it will appear only on the hotmail and aol mail areas. We met Stacey last night at the coffee shop on the drag, she tried buzzing by Little Italy to snag you but no wer at Little Italy (happened to us the last time or two we came by there too). She looked good and seemed happy about her state of affairs in Colorado.

well, maybe next time...

I had one of the best talks ever with her that night. Who says meeting folks online makes you depressed and alienated. Knowing Stacey and the folks online here has enriched my life immeasurable and made for lifelong friendships. We have such a great core group of folks here, we can grow organically.

Several times today i've been disconnected from www.spring.net on telnet...a bit strange.

That is unusual. Wonder if it's your backbone. Our site had been up pretty regularly.

I always use a Netscape browser to log in; whenever I logged in from home, it was nearly always an unhappy experience (long load times, every second attempt "There's no response from the server...", etc.), which is why sometimes there are two postings by me, too, it seems. Anyhow, right now it loads like a marvel, is fast and everything. Yall sleeping? better connection? Upgraded the ancient 386 to a 486DX100? You tell me. Meanwhile, I'll be happy (but for phone charges... checking in from home is hell, as they bill per minute...).

Per minute! That sucks. Isn't there a flat rate provider in your area?

Aren't I in Germany? Last one who tried was the first one who tried was the one who went floating down the river BELLY UP, my friend... I'll work on it. At least I got very good loading times today, too, and that from home.

yipppeee!!! us, too, as we finally got AOL4.0 configured correctly on our new computer...

Congrats, Wer! You ARE the master! Me, too: we got this funky ISDN-adapter w/ analog ports for phones, etc., which I set up AND IT STILL WORKED FROM DAY ONE! Which suprised everyone, but most of all yours truly Alexander.

champagne for everyone!

hey, Terry, in case anyone was wondering... this topic and the Spring as a whole...etcetera topics are no longer linked in drool... the topics are still there but they are no longer linked...my proposal is to start a more of the spring as a whole topic and freeze the two (or more?) existing ones... can probably kill this topic name in drool and re-link this one...

Sure, go fer it.

Boring. Lot's of waiting for others today. Mostly waiting on tenants to come up with rent money. Yesterday was far more productive, we got three rooms sheetrocked and only have two to go in my little country cottage. The Spring is facing a financial crisis of sorts. We're going to crank up the pledge drive here and in drool. The cause? thespring.com domain sale for $6k fell though because the buyer found a technicality in the contract they had me sign. I find myself financially challenged right now. Three room mates found new places in Cedar Creek, so I have 3 rooms to fill and not much time to find new folks. I only got a weeks notice instead of the usual 30 days. I watching the X Files now. Still waiting for Paul N to pay his bills, he and Sam have been keeping me waiting all day.

oops...sorry, Boss!

sorry to hear all of this terry. i am busy nowadays but will do what i can to help.

The good news today is that I filled up Quail Creek with some great folks. And even though I'm three rooms in the hole in Cedar Creek, I have the new airport going in next month which is just 15 minutes away from this house. I rented the last room in Quail last night to a waiter at a new restaurant on 360 called Pacifica. It's very upscale. He's going to get us in for free this weekend as part of their beta test. So short term, the Spring is hurtin' moneywise. Long term, there's hope. I'm hoping the pledge drive will take some of the sting out of our short term woes.

i'm sorry terry....building an airport? damn!

feel better Karen?

oh, Alexander...

And now I could submit stuff again! I wonder why I couldn't before...

gremlins and furbys...

YEAH!!! Furbies are the business :-)) I saw a fifteen foot tall one in FAO Schwarz :)))

little ones come with Happy Meals right now, too...

gremlins and furbys and wer! oh my!

Oh, Werby, look! Terry changed the batteries in Rayby, too! Now I wonder who his third furby is... Could be Vurby, or mayby Wolfsby? Nah, don't think so. Perhaps Mikeby. But that doesn't ring that way, either... Ooooooh! I got it, it think! It's gotta be the incrediple le Plepby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Notice: Due to appropriate content, this message has also been posted here: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/screwed/156.34 )

as well it should be!

Any news when those two websites will be up and running?

Peter's working on it now. He found the problem, all the aliases were pointing to the same website and knows how to fix it, but he rebooted and it got hung up. So we have to call DDC.net and have them send someone to the colocate facility to physically reboot the access.spring.net server. He's going to call me when this is done. I just called John and he's going to be on the way soon. 10:37 am Austin time.

Great, good news! Very happy to hear it! yoo hoo! Thousand women are thanking you too;)

The server's back up and I just left a message on Peter's voice mail. If you want to thank Peter personally for doing a great job as our extremely low paid system admin, here's his contact information: Peter Jensen 337086 Georgia Tech Station Atlanta, GA 30332-1715 404-206-1745 mailto://peter@diff.net

I will thank him again (He should recognize the lady from Hawaii by now!) It is good to keep important people who help Spring to flow smoothly well appreciated!

Terry, still can't get into austen.com. says connection to server could not be established.

Nor to firth.com or either of the chatrooms.

Thank you Terry,Peter, Jacob, william and Ray from all of us who use these sites. Your efforts are appreciated.

I am still having problems with Austen.com, but some people can get in and don't have a problem. I was able to connect using FTP, but not my browser. Is this one of those things which have to roll accross all the IP servers in the country? or is something else going on? Why can some people get in and not others?

Ann, firth.com and firth chat are both up, but I can't get into austen.com or your chat either.

Ann, Terry did it while creating a bunch of new websites two days ago and only now are some things beginning to work. If you are ftp-ing to access.spring.net you will not succeed. I do not know whether the other www.spring.net works or not because my account is not there.

Yes, www.spring.net works. I've been working in that throughout the outage, without any problem. Now if only we could settle on "what our favorite colors are!" ;-D

I am in telnet responding to your comment and will scrutinize what is in here I just think it would be bad form to mess with the owners' creations without first asking him about it. Any thoughts?

Please email any specifics of problems you're having with details to sysad@spring.net, which Peter and I read.

And how about a big round of applause for Peter Jensen! He definitely came through and fixed our system. What a nice guy, and a rambling wreck to boot. peter@diff.net (for congratulatory emails)

I did and I did. Messages should be ready to read in one case and already read in the first. I am most grateful that you have Peter to help out. Now, if I could just get into my access.spring.net so I could post a few rock specimen...that would be perfect!

Poor Peter know what a one-loss feels like in a perfect football year, just as we Penn Staters do...*sigh*...my sympathies!

I just exchanged emails with Peter, and access.spring.net is back on line and files attainable. I sent the good news on to Wolfie. Thanks guys!

Anyone else awake tonight and trying to ftp to access.spring.net? I can do it to the UHHilo web site I am supposed to be working on, but cannot here.

I sent Peter and gracious thank you for all his hardwork. And want to thank ALL the system admins for their hardwork in getting all the servers in tip top shape! Thank you!

You should be able to ftp here, are you sure. Jill just ftped some stuff to her site on access. Are you set up on access.spring.net, Marcia?

Please, if you have time, email peter@diff.net and thank him profusely for the life saving job he did getting all our webservers back up and running. This rambling wreck deserves our highest praise and support!

Did profusely thank Peter and he emailed me a return note. Nice guy and a definite asset we should cultivate. I still can't login, so it is something I did wrong when I entered the UHHilo ftp site... Will work on it today. Thanks. Three Cheers for Peter!!!

Ok, I got all of my ftp sites separated and working individually again. *whew* That is more than a little scary since I had expert help setting up the first time and it was late at night when I am least likely to remember how to do it again should the need arise. Three Cheers for Marcia

I got this e-mail today. She had sent me one yesterday saying she was still having problems, and I asked her if she continues to have them. Are there still problems? (I blacked out part of her e-mail) --- Linda MacLachlan grand****@earthlink.net wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:16:22 -0500 From: Linda MacLachlan grand****@earthlink.net To: "Ann of Austen.com" dwguild@yahoo.com Subject: Re: off-line? Ann: Yes, I still have problems. when I click on my bookmark, Netscape says "The server could be down or is not responding. If you are unable to again leter, contact the server's administrator. Using previously cached copy instead." [a copy last updated 11/7/99] When I click on the Fantasia Gallery, the Derbyshire Writers Guild Message Board or to "find out what the dots are fore," I get nothing but the same message minus the last sentence. I miss not getting my virtually daily "fix' from Derbyshire1 Linda grand****@earthlink.net Ann of Austen.com wrote: Linda, Are you still having problems? The site was down for a couple of days last week, But it should be back up. Unfortunately, it is hard to tell whether everyone can get in now, because they can't really say that they are *not* there. I don't know what could still be wrong, but I Would certainly look into it. Ann --- Linda MacLachlan grand****@earthlink.net wrote: I have been enjoying your Epilogue Gallery site For years, printing the stories when they finally finish. But I have Not been able to update the website since 11/7. What's wrong? Can I help? grand****@earthlink.net

she should be able to get in now. All is back in worjking order, I understand.

...and I hope I either learn to type better or learn exactly when I am to use the "Ok: stty erase" when I telnet. Most frustrating!

Terry, there is definitely a problem out there. Possibly that named server situation and/or router problems. Some people can get in and many cannot. I've been in contact with our Drool bunch via our backup mailing service and encouraged them to try their ISP's other phone lines for alternative routing as worked for me (except for the austen.com areas). Do you need any other evidence than Marcia hasn't posted all day! ;-)

Everyone reading this, digihost screwed up our nameservers by submitting a premature change request to Network Solutions. Use ip addresses instead of domain names till it's fixed. http://206.97.234.70 will give you the names. http://206.97.234.91 is austen http://206.97.234.101 is firth Email me at springnet@visto.com during the nameserver crisis. I emailed digihost to fix it so we can resolve our names again but restoring our primary nameserver to ns1.spring.net at 206.97.234.70 and using one of their ip addresses for ns2.spring.net Some guy named mike@digihost.com iniated this boondoggle and I emailed him to fix it back.

Emergency contact information during the nameserver crisis: My cellphone is 512-699-4000 My palm mail (which I carry around with me) is springnet@palm.net Austin 512 302 4000 Cedar Creek 512 303 4000 But the first two are the most reliable. I'm hoping mike@digihost.com realizes the havoc he's causing us by having sent in that nameserver change without talking to me first! It's really messing things up. Email as many folks as you can and let them know what's going on about using the http://206.97.234.70 and the other ip addresses for austen and firth, etc. Who needs a y2k crisis, right? We have our own little nameserver crisis.

I did for him, which you probay know by now...

Well, it's already been y2k out in the Pacific and Australia, and we're still talking! Happy New Millenium! Who among us will see y2k first? Any Australians in Drool?

Terry, there's a big contingent that still can't access Drool.Karen, Mari, Ann. Take a look at your email.

Have you told them about ip addresses? Is it better today?

My success today is much like yesterday. Telnet or nothing! Same with the others I have heard from. Gi from Portugal is unable. Discouraging.

ip addresses don't work. The situation is dire....still the same. This is the message board that is being used ... http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb49898 Hope this is temporary. Is Anyone trying to rectify the situation? It seems to be geographic.

I am sure Terry is on the new Server's tail with great vehemence and regularity. I can only use the numerical ip for telnet which is how I am posting this. Evelyn, you can still get in? Gi in Portugal and Tineke in Belgium are out of the loop as am I. Curious that Germany can get online.

Yes, I can access fine and apparently part of UK can...Bethan posted yesterday, but Ann W. cannot. Neither can Karen...who even went to the library computers and still could not access Spring. Argggggg

I cannot understand how Karen got online at Spring yesterday by using a different local phone number for connection....perhaps coincidence. It willl be interesting to hear the whole story in retrospect - the sooner the better. It is fun to telnet, but nothing as good as webbing.

Is the new server in Florida having any success getting the Drool problem resolved? No one still can get in except me, Terry. Do you think they are *trying*? Or is nobody home?

I'd like to know Evelyn's secret - and Heide's from this morning when she got on. I am still relying on the magick of telnetting...*sigh*

hi! i'm one of the volunteer system admins for the Spring, and have been away for awhile on other projects. i've caught up with the situation here and just wanted to let everyone here know that we are trying to resolve all of the connection problems as quickly as possible. unfortunately, our problems are with domain name servers. this is unfortunate, because dealing with the powers behind domain name servers means dealing with many persons and many layers of bueracracy. i think that perhaps most of our problems should be solved by the middle of January. worst case scenario would be the end of January, but i doubt that very much. anyway, i hope all of you will understand and hang in there with us until this problem gets resolved. i'll try to do what i can to help terry and hopefully we'll be back online soon.

Thanks loads, Ray! We needed you to ride in for moral and tech support for Terry. He needs all the help he can get at this point!

Does anyone know why we have topic 107 and 124 which appear to be duplicates?

I don't know about that topic issue. But on the domain issues, we are dealing mainly with a new provider and they have assigned one person to help us who is mike@digihost.com and he reports to ceo@digihost.com. We just have to get in synch with these folks and work out the details and we'll be able to get up and running at the new home. I had planned on colocating at Springfield for a year but they backed out till March on this deal, so we'e moving to Digihost. They run on BSDI 4.1 which is much more up to date than the BSDI 2.1 which www.spring.net runs on now. I really appreciate your help and support in getting in touch with this situation Ray! Please feel free to jump in to the process and raise issues and add action items to our migration checklist.

Thank you Ray and Terry for the updates on the Spring relocating status...it helps to know that someone is out there fending for us. As Lizzy would say:"We shall endure it as best as we can"... :-)

wheres the migration checklist, terry.?

I'll work one up, the main priority now is just ftping everything on our servers over to the new location and getting the domain names moved. The we can start testing.

I got in to our new server locaton a while ago and ftped the main page over there, which still points to the confernces on our old server. I set it up so folks can get in to drool but there are still times when you have to type 206.97.234.70 in place of www.spring.net, it's the penalty we're paying for me not paying enough attention to relative html coding.

Don't worry about it...Hindsight is always 20-20 It all a learning process and I am happy to find you are mortal after all!

Ray, you live? Good thing, I'd say, especially now Terry needs as much help with the stuff as he can get (which is, BTW, exactly MY situation here, too... Can't handle the workload with the number of people available for this project. Will be an interesting ride, I daresay...).

Hang on tightly, Alexander. I am rooting for you!

I still can't get in to Austen.com and it's been three days now. Most other people don't seem to be having a problem, but my ISP can't seem to be able to find it. When I use the IP# (206.97.234.93), I get Bruce Sterling's page, which I know is on the same machine. I can FTP in, but the way the site works, I can't do much with that. I'm going through withdrawl!!!!

Tell me about it...Poor dear! Have you tried telnetting, Ann? I just tried and cannot get onto austen.com that way - or I do not know how to (which is more than likely the case). I do not know what to suggest other than to wait out the drought till Terry gets back from his sad duties in California.

I can get telnet://206.97.234.93 to work but it does not like my login or password. I think it is because access is still down. My ftp to access still does not work....and it is not much help in reading things there...or other things you do to keep DWG and all that up and running...! *sigh*

I do have FTP access to 206.97.234.93, but I can't really do much with that. I can read some of the messages, but I can't participate on the boards and I can't chat :( I actually went to work today to use the computers there. I needed to do some archiving of stories, and the only way to get them was to log on from there.

Access is still up at http://206.97.234.73. If you telnet there, you can then cd to the austen.com area at /www/austen.com. Ann, I want you and everyone to have access. This week, we're going to move the whole site to our new dns servers, so I'll be setting up new user accounts on the new server. Please make sure your sites, like austen.com and firth.com are backed up on your local machines, I've got www.spring.net running on the new server now, except the conferencing and I've got emails in to Kaylene Thaler ( mailto://kaylene@armidalesoftware.com ) and Ray ( mailto://ray.lopez@mindspring.com ) about getting this done. Later today, when it's a more decent hour, I plan on calling Ray and Kaylene. Feel free to call me on my cell phone at 512-699-4000 to talk about any migration issues with spring.net or your sites. I'll try and make this as painless as possible. Send me email to either springnet@visto.com, terry@spring.net or to my Palm Pilot at springnet@palm.net. Let's stay in touch as closely as possible and get this done as painlessly as possible. I'd like to hear from as many of you as possible directly during this transition and for as many of you as possible to get directly involved in the hands on work of making this move. We can get it done and move on and things will get much easier. I won't have to babysit hardware any more and we'll be able to concentrate more on the real creative work of getting our sites looking good and attracting more folks to our community.

This is our dns table as it exists now: 206.97.234.71 http://www.spring.net ns2 206.97.234.72 206.97.234.73 http://access.spring.net 206.97.234.74 http://www.childrenstory.com 206.97.234.75 http://www.repeater.org 206.97.234.76 http://www.golftravel.net 206.97.234.77 pointer from barton 206.97.234.78 http://www.minds.org 206.97.234.81 http://www.janhooks.com 206.97.234.82 http://www.thechildrens.com 206.97.234.83 http://www.webarter.net 206.97.234.85 points to www.spring.net 206.97.234.86 http://www.wonderbee.com 206.97.234.87 http://www.clearminds.com 206.97.234.88 http://www.texasequityloan.com 206.97.234.90 http://www.motorblade.com 206.97.234.91 http://www.austen.com 206.97.234.92 http://www.divecruise.com 206.97.234.93 http://www.brucesterling.com 206.97.234.94 http://www.starlust.com 206.97.234.95 http://www.eatsolar.com 206.97.234.96 http://www.guadalupestreet.com 206.97.234.97 http://www.lamarboulevard.com 206.97.234.98 http://www.congressavenue.com 206.97.234.99 http://www.burnetroad.com 206.97.234.100 http://www.researchboulevard.com 206.97.234.101 http://www.firth.com 206.97.234.102 http://www.silkcloth.com 206.97.234.103 http://www.suzyamis.com 206.97.234.104 http://www.roxburyguys.com 206.97.234.105 http://www.teachai.com 206.97.234.106 points to access.spring.net 206.97.234.107 http://www.lifespaces.com 206.97.234.108 http://www.ratthing.com 206.97.234.109 206.97.234.110 http://www.bioregion.com 206.97.234.111 next available ip address

Also, check the bottom of http://206.97.234.70 as I'll be posting bulletins there.

Terry, I tried that IP for Austen.com, and it didn't seem to work. The network couldn't find it. The site seems to be working though, and I'm able to get onto it from work--just not from home through my browser. Do you have any idea why I haven't been able to get through using Netcom for the last 5 days?

Thanks for the list, Terry. I'm gonna print the whole thing out so I can reference it easily. (Ann, My son is on netcom in California and it is a little capricious since it was purchased by mindspring.)

Am back now, Terry. A few questions: What about my files at www.spring.net/~KarenR ? Will I be able to FTP my files to the new servers using the same logon and password? Karen

I'm still locked out! Why!?!?

When I try to FTP into spring.net, it says the password is not valid. Help!

Guess they are ftp'ing the stuff to the new ISP and it is currently not receiving input. Curiously, I have not been able to ftp since December 30th...

I can't get to my www.spring.net/~anneh account either, Karen. Same problem as you. It's been that way for a couple weeks now. Still locked out of Austen.com. That makes 6 of the last 7 days I haven't been able to get in.

Yes, I know. I haven't had access to my directory/files since 12/30 either. But when I read the messages about having to get our files off the old server and to FTP them to the new site, thought I'd bring it up again.

That password invalid is the only error message they have when the other end is inaccessable. My telnet gets the same response if I try to enter with the old URL. Terry and his cyber-guys must be about ready to tell us something...I hope!

That password invalid is the only error message they have when the other end is inaccessable. My telnet gets the same response if I try to enter with the old URL. Terry and his cyber-guys must be about ready to tell us something...I hope! Hey, yep. Me and my cyber-guys, hey, cool it guys, I'm talking, are gonna spill da beans. You need to ftp or telnet to 206.97.234.73 which is access.spring.net, then do this command via telnet or ftp: cd /www/austen.com Likewise, cd /www/firth.com All the files are there. You can ftp them to your local machine using something from http://www.stroud.com like ws ftp or one of the other ftp programs. Then, email or call (512-699-4000) me and request a username and password on the new system. Let me know who is going to strawboss this move, Ann, Karen or ??? and then I will get with them and they will dictate the date and time of the actual switchover to the new site for firth and austen. Now, the www.spring.net/~anneh files should still be in place, at 206.97.234.70/~anneh. They're in /usr/home/anneh if you need to use the full directory path. The web files all being in public_html of course. Don't hesitate to email me, call me (512-699-4000 I love to talk to you guys), or invite me to your chat room to discuss any issues.

Terry, My files are NOT associated with firth.com or austen.com nor were they on the access server. Ann is in charge of austen.com and Renate is in charge of firth.com My files were/are in: www.spring.net/~KarenR and support Drool and my Bucket site within the confines of Spring. (1) Do I need to move those myself or have you moved them already? If so, where are they now? (2) I will email you my logon and password. (3) I use WS-Stroud's FTP program, but it can't get into my files. Do I need to change the path from Spring to the numeric? And I'm assuming that is the old Spring vs. the new Spring, which will be using the domain name.

Terry, I tried numeric and KarenR done every which way but loose. Can't get there via the web or via FTP. Login fails. Karen

(I'm working with Karen on this right now via landline).

(Good, because the URL and the IP yeild the same cannot login results here, too for access.spering.net ftp.) Terry has the cutest and neatest cyber-guys on the planet. If they can't do it, it can't be done!

Terry, I sent you and e-mail about a week ago with the info for the Austen tech people. I'm the one who will supervise the whole Austen.com site, so if you could send me the new password to dwguild@yahoo.com, I'd appreciate it. Though I can get on to Austen.com at work, I am STILL locked out at home. WHY??? It's been a week now (except, mysteriously for one day when I was able to get through). Is this an ISP problem or a DNS problem or what? I am getting reports of others having the same problem too.

You need to ftp or telnet to 206.97.234.73 which is access.spring.net, then do this command via telnet or ftp: } Nope. That doesn't work, Terry. I get a "Cannot find server" message when I try to FTP or Telnet. Now I can FTP into 206.97.234.93, and move over into the Austen.com folders, but I really need to be able to get there through my browser too!!!

I got into Austen.com from my home computer--finally. Of course, I was able to get in for one day over the weekend too, only to be locked out again.

Any secret you care to share on how you got in today? I am still in the same holding pattern...but I know they are straightening out momumental messes in Austin and I will not add to their problems...!

Don't know why I got in. I have also been able to access my files in the www.spring.net/~anneh folder. I FTP to 206.97.234.70, log on using ID: anneh and my usual password. I'm in the process of downloading all my files from there to back them up.

Praise be, as they say. And you have a bunch to download! I trust Geo will go over as one of those tarballs Ray is making and my files on access.spring.net will as well. I keep files backed up but only as word files. My image files are url files and I can recreate them if necessary. Goodness, the things we learn which we never anticipated needing to know...!

I've downloaded just about everything except the messages on our message boards. Don't know how I'm gonna transfer them. Also, the archives of the Guild is rather huge, and at 28KB/Sec, it would take a long time to transfer. If that can be tarballed too, and sent over a quick connection, it would help.

Ann, I read what they were saying Unix conference about moving this stuff. They might have as well been discussing brain surgery in another language. But, they knew what they meant which I find impressive and daunting at the same time! There is a great deal more to this than a simple Move...picking up a computer, put it in the car and move it across town to another place and plug it in. Not that easy, I guess!!!

Marcia send me detailed email on what you need regarding your account setup and password, etc on the new server. Everyone, email or call me with any such similar needs, if you need to get set up on the new system. Ray, how's the tar stuff coming along? We also need to get the new hosting folks to set up a cfadm user and maybe do some of the things Kaylene suggested. We're racing to get this done before ddc puts the hammer down on us again.

Just sent you two emails to visto address the first with my minimal needs and the second with my username and password which was in use before. Feel free to augment or alter at will and let me know what the new ones are. Anything else?

Terry, I sent you an email at your briefcase account with my needs for accessing the new server. What's the timetable for getting off this server? I need to know as copying all my files to my hard drive is a slow process...but I am making progress! ;-) Karen

I'm in again. Was only out for about 4 hours this time.

Ann and I talked on the phone, so now I have austen.com running temporarily at http://www.spring.net/austen and I got the new site in motion. It should be ready for prime time in a couple of days. Ann, wish we could send you some of this warm air!

Colinfirth.com and austen.com look lovely and familiar. Now, if only the stuff I work with would come back. Alas, access.spring.net is at the bottom of the list for getting things done, I figure....not as important, I guess. And, I guess I understand. It's ok....I'll be here doing my thing even if no one can see what I put up or stuff like that...I'm used to it. I'm the little kid on the Spring and I gotta wait my turn...thank you in advance for your help...

Would it be helpful if we stopped posting on Spring?

No, keep posting. Life should go on as usual. I'll keep setting up accounts on the new system as folks need them.

I'll set up a directory called marcia so you can work there. The url will be http://www.spring.net/marcia

Terry, Have you set me up on the new system yet? I have downloaded ALL my files and am ready to send them over whenever you give me access. I sent you an email with the particulars. Karen

I'm working on it today and tomorrow. Folks who set up web pages should use *relative* references not *absolute* references and base href tags in the header of the html document. I just did a bit of editing on http://www.spring.net/firth because it uses absolute references (not recommended!). If you don't understand absolute vs. relative refererences, please go to one of the many great html tutorials on the web and to our web conference to the appropriate topic. I'll be happy to discuss this most important issue further. For an example look at the base href tag at the beginning of the index.html file on http://www.spring.net/firth/index.html It's the difference between working and not working, and you can get a lot of stuff on the old site to keep working by using these relative tags. And then when you don't need the old site, you just change the base href tag. I have given permission to Myretta to grant access to any authoring type folks who need ftp access to the site. I'll try and make this as effortless as possible, but there may be painful moments in the next week or two. After that, it should be smooth sailing again.

Thanks, Terry. I know this is an educational experience as well as a nusiance. All of us little strugglers trying to become cyber-smarter the least painful way appreciate your making the transition as smooth as possible. Big *hugs* for your patience and perseverence.

It just finished and it found 271 occurences of the phrase http://www.firth.com in 74 pages. Mind you, these changes were only made on the little backup mirror site at http://www.spring.net and not on the main site http://206.97.234.101 where firth.com lives. I did change one file there in the afirthionado directory called afi.htm I believe so folks could still get to the chatroom. I'll be glad when we get everything moved. I'm about to set the austen.com in motion, so folks that need access be sure to email me (terry@spring.net and springnet@visto.com) and/or call me (512-699-4000) with their desired usernames and passwords.

Terry, I couldn't get into the new www.spring.net via FTP. Access denied. When I checked the url http://www.spring.net/KarenR says does not exist. Isn't that the area you set up for me?

I'll set this up again. For the folks working on the new austen.com, the ip address is going to be 208.171.121.122. It has FrontPage 2000 extensions, RealAudio, SSL, Webtrends, MySQL. All the Internic stuff has been performed. The above is important technical information, please make note of it.

Terry: I have set up an account for you there. I will set it up again using all lower case instead of upper and lower. Email me so I can reply with the details. ~~~~ Terry, I emailed you twice yesterday. You can reply with the details. However, that server doesn't recognize me.

Terry, the old Austen.com IP doesn't seem to work. (206.97.234.91). Wonder why.

Terry posted above: For the folks working on the new austen.com, the ip address is going to be 208.171.121.122.

I'm home now, Ann, I've been out in the field all day and I'll resolve this access problem you have and probably give you a buzz tonight.

http://208.171.121.122 is working pretty much, I may have gotten all the files over this morning except the derbyshire ones, and I'm ftping the files in the derby directory now. I'll have to check, but I may have inadvertently put some of these derby files in /usr/home/auste3/virtual_html/ instead of /usr/home/auste3/virtual_html/derby

Hey, http://www.austen.com just came up for me without typing the ip address, and I'm on a Time Warner (not spring.net) connection. Are other folks seeing it also?

Yes, Terry, it comes up for me using http://www.austen.com

Will you be having a new site when the old one is working so well, or does it still have to be moved? I thought all of your stuff was moved firthst!

You can tell when you're on the new site when it says at the botom of the page of http://www.austen.com: New Site Last Updated 1/25/00 If it doesn't say this, you're on the old site which just says "last updated".

Terry, I cannot get into the new site. I have sent you details via email. Could you please look into it and then answer. Karen

It does say New Site Last Updated 1/25/00 Thanks!

The http://austen.com address for me now refers to the new site, and it seems to be working great! Any news on when the old computers will go down? I want to know if there is a deadline for when all files must absolutely either be moved or backed up off the old computer.

ok, www.austen.com shows a last update of 9/5/99 *frown* for me..... i am completely confused. terry thanks for your never ending patience with us! *HUGS* i tried getting to access using the ip to see if my site was up and i get an error page. i can wait, just wanted to let you know *grin*

but....on austen.com, i used the hyperlink to the new site and that worked and i got the right update date! *smile*

Wolfie, try it without the www next time...

...for austen.com, that is. My stuff on Spring is not yet available, either. But, that's ok. I can wait.

thanks! *grin*

Is there an agreement between Spring and Barnes and Noble?

Ann, not that I am aware of. I just hunted through the main page and the welcome pages where all of the links are and I see nothing for them. Just Amazon.com.

On the front page, in the Spring Shopping Mall area, there is a link to B&N. That's why I was wondering. There are actually two links there which go to B&N, both "Books" and "Barnes and Noble".

I would like to get our conferences and everything moved on spring, austen, firth and all our other sites by the end of the month to save another months enormous cost at our present site. There is even the possibility we could get "turned off" at the old site. I need help from Ray and anyone else with Unix expertise to move the conferences to the new site and then work with Kaylene in getting them running again. Time is getting tight, for sure. I think most of austen is moved and the chat room seems to work. I added a few minor embellishments on the new Austen page just so folks would see something "new" there and know which page they were on. I edited the word "editting" so it's now "editing", how's that for some editing! If anyone's offended by these changes, please change them back. I was just playing, honest! New user accounts are available if you email me or anyone else who has admin access at the new site, like Ray, Myretta and Ann. We can expand our admin team. The new sites all have quite a few features we haven't had, the Front Page 2000 extensions are more up to date, there are ecommerce options, there are database capabilities with MySQL, and there are quite a few options for dynamic effects and plug ins (I put a counter at the bottom of the new Austen page, again, feel free to nuke it if this offends anyones sensibilities.) But the key job now is Ray's, getting the conferences moved by tarring them and untarring them on to the new server, they are all located in /usr/bbs. And I have to move all these sites: atlantea.com larainenewman.com bioregion.com love30.com midnightwolf.net tcares.org brucesterling.com miniaturebooks.com teachai.com motorblade.com mustardbath.com tvreviewer.com cooltoys.net mysticalplaces.com tvshows.com eatsolar.com poolgoods.com wearfree.com energywork.com ratthing.com wholetech.com workontheweb.com saveseed.com silkcloth.com The cost of moving each site averages $50. The cost of staying one more month at ddc.net is at least $800. And I'm losing some names right now to lack of payment. So I want to keep the pledge drive going. There may never be a time in the Spring's history when we need funds more than now. This is a very pivotal time for us.

I decided to go ahead and tar and move the conferencing right now, all our conferences are now being tarred and then I'll move the tar file over and untar it to a new directory on the new server. Then deal with issues of permisssions, administrative ownership, etc. I got on the phone to Dave Thaler just now (he's the author of Yapp) and discussed this process. I'll do it one step at a time. So whatever is posted from now on, including this post, will not show up at the new conferences. We're movin' on!

Acutally, since it's tarring in alpha order, the above post may show up on the new site, it's on drool now and moving along alphabetically through all the conferences. It looks like this on my screen: ./confs/drool/_34.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_39.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_51.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_46.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_53.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_59.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_67.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_107.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_68.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_72.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_93.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_97.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_98.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_99.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_127 ./confs/drool/_102.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig ./confs/drool/_104.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig.orig

It's still tarring.

It's done, and now 5 days later, we're up and running on the new site.

Congratulations, Terry & all who participated in the transfer. Ah, the clean fresh air on the new server!

Great Terry! Congrats that everything seems to be working. Now, how do we get our Drool page layout back? I know these icons are standard on the other conferences, but we'd like our cool waters and coordinated buttons. How can this be done? Karen

Brighter colors, faster access or is it my imagination. I 'm going to like the new territory.Thanks all .

Thanks, I'm surprised we're not getting more glitch reports. I'm ecstatic that we're running on the new server and folks accounts are working. It wasn't easy, it took Mike's system admin efforts, Kaylenes programming skill and your contributions to make this all work. It really was a concerted, team effort and I'm very grateful for everyone's help. We really pulled together this time. I'm going to defer to William (wer) on the Yapp stuff, as he's built up most of this, I called him last night and gave him admin access so he can work his magic on the new place. Email William, Karen, if you will. I clicked the button in FrontPage 2000 for brighter colors. FP2000 is a double edged sword, it makes it easy for newcomers to generate web pages but it messes with already constructed pages sometimes. It's our unruly uncle in the basement. Whew! We made it! Now I've got to move all those other domains and then shut down the servers. Make sure you save stuff you need off the old servers!

I like the way it downloads with a scrolling action instead of the entire thing showing up after a long pause as in the old server.

I am a patient person. I definitely will defer to William on all things Yapp that I do not feel competent enough to handle - including most of the esthetic things on Geo. Now, if I could only get into my files... Probably just as well I cannot as I most assuredly would mess them up if I could right now! I am grateful to all who labored (and it is seriously draining mental labor) on our behalf to make this place a reality again.

Is it a fact that posting using the old ip will render your post null and void? Maggie is posting several places and they are not showing up on the URL topics. Be aware you must be using the www.spring.net URL to have your responses posted. I think...

Things are getting posted at numeric Spring (old Spring), but they will not get moved over here. What's here is here. What's there now, will go down the proverbial drain when the plug is pulled...unless someone manually copies and pastes from there to here. All cleared up?

Yep, that's it Karen, the old server will be up for another day or two, maybe longer, so copy and paste whatever you need. But don't bother posting on the old system, just post here using the domain name.

Gotcha! But lots of people are posting the new/old-fashioned way...*sigh*

It's hard to get the word out. We're missing posts, btw, but I can live with it. I just added Topic 128 to take over for crowded 123 on the old site (sorry) and it didn't carry over but since we're 100 postings fewer on 123 here no need to start up another just yet.

Part 6? Yessssssssss!

Incredible. Amazing. And, more than a little confusing for some!

The only thing I have noticed that Geo lost was topic 26 which I re-created.

I got this e-mail today: Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:38:49 PST Dear Ann, I am still unable to get into Austen.com. In fact I am unable to get into www.spring.net as well. Am I the only one from outside the US (I'm from Malaysia) who is unable to get into these sites? This is very frustrating. I cannot figure out why this is. My husband thinks that it could be because of the new 128-bit connection available in new sites in the US which is not available outside the US is the cause. I am completely clueless about this. Appreciate any assistance you may render. If not, this is just an end of nearly 2 years lurking and enjoying all the stories posted in DWG, Novel Idea & Drool. If I am unable ever to get into these sites again, can you please convey my heartiest appreciation to all the authors in DWG & Novel Idea for their creative and most entertaining writing. cheers, sheriMD

Ann, Is there some way of contacting her? Her email address? Thanks for passing it on. Karen

Karen, I forwarded her e-mail to you.

Resp 262 of 263: Marcia (MarciaH) Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (17:56) 2 lines Good...but I think we are back to old Spring right now...and I am telnetting so this will also disappear... Topic 43 of 69: 'How's your connection to the Spring? ' Resp 263 of 263: Karen (KarenR) Wed, Feb 2, 2000 (18:37) 1 lines Nothing disappears. I checked and yesterday's messages on 123 are still there. ******************************** Wanna bet??? This is from telnet and we were evaporated !

Marcia, I can plug in Redisplay -20 and get how ever number of old messages desired from the old site. Here's one from yesterday at #123. They aren't disappearing from the regular website. Karen Topic 123 of 128 [drool]: Colin Firth (Part 6) Response 1970 of 1987: Ann W (amw) * Tue, Feb 1, 2000 (17:10) * 2 lines a surprise awaits you here Karen, I can't get this page, can you put it here.

Curious! Redisplay was not working before it shut down altogether this morning (for me)...it works fine now. Other glitches are when you access topic X.x you get the entire topic instead from that x response onward. Curious!

Btw, I just spent several hours checking through my topics throughout Spring and all of Geo to repost missing messages. I think I have gotten them all - at least the ones affected by this recent change over...I hope!

Is there a way to link the new location from the old location? sorta like a click here? Terry keeps telling people to post to the new boards, but even I didn't know how to go about getting here!

Old site is http://206.97.234.70 New site is http://www.spring.net or http://208.165.85.156 Keep the ip address for backup purposes, bookmark it in the unlikely event nameservers start acting up.

How's your connection to the new Spring site? Is anyone having any problems?

Cool runnings here.

8am HST all is up and working well, thank you. I seem to be able to find messages which were missing yesterday. Thanks for all of the hard work behind the scenes in Spring Heaven where the magicians and angels live. Lots of appreciative *hugs* and warm fragrant breezes from Hawaii for your efforts!

Could someone please tell me what address to use now to telnet to the Spring? Please?

Shouldn't it be this one that Terry just left? http://208.165.85.156 (using the telnet prefix)

telnet accounts haven't been set up yet, I'm looking in to how to set this up on the new site.

Ok, thanks!

Got another person who can't get to Austen.com: --- Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: serena s Subject: new url for DWG Dear Ann, Please help! I've been deprived of the guild from 27th january.. I kept checking back to the old tea room but the latest post seem to date right back to the 27th o january.. Is there a new url for DWG? Thanks, Ann. Serena. --- I sent her an e-mail asking where in the world she resides. If she's in Asia too, I might see a pattern with the other person from Malaysia who can not get in.

I don't know why these folks can't get in, can they get in to the main site and in to http://www.spring.net? Will you ask serena to email me direct, Ann? I'd be happy to try and help her get connected. Has she tried the direct ip address?

I just gave her the numeric IP today. I haven't heard whether she can get in using that or not. If you want to talk to her, her e-mail is: serena484@yahoo.com Also, SheriMD can't get in, and she has tried the numeric. Her address is: sherizan@hotmail.com (She's in Malaysia, maybe their routers are slower to upgrade to the new adresses than in the US).

I think that's what's happening. But I'll email her. I want everyone to have access!

I told her about http://208.171.121.122 and to try it if she can't get in my domain name address. At least she'll be able to get to the site still it starts resolving in her area.

Telnet does not work today for me - the old one has been disconnected?! And, we await the new accounts. Hmmm...but three are telnetting at the moment. They definitely know something I do not know. But, that's ok, too! What I do not know I cannot mess up - much...!

There does seem to be a Malaysia problem with connecting: ------------ From: serena s Subject: Re: new url for DWG To: "Ann of Austen.com" Thanks for the reply. But the numeric version of the address doesnt work as well. And yes, i am from Malaysia. Is there a backup remedy for this problem? Thanks, Ann. ------------ So both Serena and SheriMD are in Malaysia and can't get through.

I'll continue to work with them on this.

I realize all you folks at Spring are very busy, but if you could put the login button back on the new main page it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Main page of Drool or main page of Spring?

BTW if you use http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/drool/all/new you will get an automatic pop-up box for you to use to login.

Main page of Drool or main page of Spring? Main [home] page of Spring. Thanks for your help, Marcia, but I share my computer and don't use a bookmark (trust me, there's a method to my madness).

*grin* I understand perfectly! This should be of help, then... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/main This URL will also cause a opo-up login box to appear. I have an array of conference/all/new buttons on my personal button list which sows up on a bar just below the location space. It is so handy!!!

If it is really necessary to keep where you go on the net private, You know how to delet the location bar history? Otherwise it would be very easy to access where you have been going for the truly curious!

I'll put the login button back on tonight.

Marcia: yes. Terry: thanks.

Eileen, then you are covered. Also dump your document file!!! Email me if there is any question about it (but, youknow that *grin*)

Thanks for that login button, Terry, and for your concern, Marcia. XXOO

That is one remarkable front page Spring now has. My ex commented: The welcoming page is very attractive, and should make any visitors feel that they have reached a substantial site. I agree!

(MarciaH)That is one remarkable front page Spring now has. And i'm quoted there ;-) May I ask questions here about things I don't understand in Drool? Like, where have hundreds of posts gone in the old conferences?

Gi, in Drool or in other conferences? I don't think we are missing anything other than the posts from when Terry copied from the old place and we actually started up here.

Drool is missing hundreds of posts because it is so active during the transfer from one changer to the other. I was able to repost the ones on 113 in Drool and the ones in Geo and my other topics in various conferences which were missing. (I keep files of responses of most of the topics...)

I looked at the front page (http://www.spring.net), and I had a couple problems loading it: Three images didn't load for me: 1) the title bar at the top, 2) the big one in the middle, 3) and the one on the right with "Maggie on equality..." In addition, several of the links in the "What's Cool" section don't seem to go to the right place: eg. shops, roomates, ICQ, and our webs. Also, the page is too wide for my screen and quite a bit on the right hand margin is getting cut off. I rarely have this problem on other sites, so my screen isn't abnormally small. I use Netscape 4.5, which is not the latest, so maybe my browser isn't compatable with some of the HTML used on the front page.

Ann, I think it is a work in progress. I have been watching it in amazement for the past few days. The page fits perfectly on my Netscape 4.7 4.5 should be able to handle it. Have you tweaked your monitor screen? (I know you know all about this stuff!) The pictured in the black table to the right do not load because there are no pictured installed there yet...so far...still working...I think...!

The main page does not fit on my screen either...and my monitor is tweak-free. Also, some links do not work, as Ann said.

Like Marcia said, it is still being worked upon and rearranged and so on. Be patient. Your sites are up and humming happily as is Geo... I am wondering why it fits on my monitor even when I shrink it to medium-sized...?!

It needs work, I'd be happy to give y'all, Ann, Karen and Marcia author permisson on the page if you like. Wouldn't it be great to make it a team project?

sprin5, you know not what you do. Can you see CF balancing the earth ala Atlas clad in loin cloth? *lol* Actually, that might make for interesting stuff but alas, not for your front page. Let us discuss this and get back to you...whew! What a thought!

With all due respect, I wish you would continue doing as you contemplated doing. They will never agree to leave Geo things there...and I really appreciate seeing them...and I will not agree to Colin Firth all over the place. There is so much more to Spring than Drool! (ducking under my work station just in case they brought brickbats with them...)

Marcia, why would you think we'd want Colin on the front page? And BTW, you are not talking in Inner.

I know that...why did you think I was? My comments about CF? Just having a bit of fun. Actually, I could see him as the god Vulcan who wore just about nothing. Neptune, Ditto... Ok, I'll be serious here. We could certainly do it. might we wish to toss ideas round somewhere before tackling it? I am a most agreeable person, as you know, and try to get along with all ideas...I am willing to put my meager experience in your more capable hands.

why did you think I was? The use of "they"

Oops....shoulda been "us" Actually, I saw it as a contest for space between austen.com, drool and everything else. There is no reason for that assumption, and I am sorry! Constructively, do you have any ideas?

Not really, but thought I would cause trouble anyway. ;-)

Of course, but now am off to slumberland...not to be confused with Firthland, a high-class suburb. ;-)

We really do need to get organization, form a team, and all. Ideas?

It was Evelyn's idea initially...perhaps she will see this or we can post it to her and get her input. She is very good at this sort of thing!

Thank you Marcia....for the compliment... I have an idea of a workable committee, that would work in other instances, however I am not knowledgeable of cyber- problems. I suggest that someone ask Myretta re: the overall organization of Pemberley. Although they are set up differently, we could modify and build on their plan.I believe both Ann and Karen know her well enough to inquire. She has always been v. generous with Spring and I know would assist us to organize.My other suggestion would be to ask a representative from Digihost to also serve on the team/committee. There should be periodic meetings....not just meet when there is a crisis. This keeps communication flowing. What do you guys think? I'm excited....A New Era for Spring!

Let's hear it for the New Era of Spring (whilst Alexander is working on the advertising dynamics on Porch 31...)

.I believe both Ann and Karen know her well enough to inquire. } I think I'll leave that one for Karen >:)

(Oh yes...!)

*guffaw guffaw*

Ummm Hmmm... I shall say no more...lest I get...never mind...!

I am unable to read the last 50 responses. Is anyone else having this problem? Marcia, I have not been to Geo because of this. I use to be able to click on a post of the last 50, but Geo is not even listed on the Main Menu.

Thanks, Karen! And little Red Valentine said, "My, Marcia, what a great big topic you have!" ;-)

Wow!!! What a Valentine to find from Karen and Moon this morning. I am all amazement and delight. Thanks for helping, Karen, and thanks also for your nice comments, Moon. There are all sorts of updating maps and things in there from sunspots in 24 to weather maps for just about everywhere on earth in 14 and updating earthquake map in 26. My fav ones are the Jewels ones in which Karen has held forth on the Darcy Family items of the same - or was that Vulcanism?! We have managed to import Darcy into Geo, as is only appropriate, considering...

As to the last 50 posts etc, Terry emailed Kayleen about that. She is the wife of the author of Yapp software and it appears to be a problem with it. Soon hopefully...

I had a very nice email from Myretta re: the RoP organization. I shall read it and present my suggestion for you all to work on (NOT adopt)later in the week.

Excellent news, Evelyn.

Yep, I'd like to review that.

What I meant a while ago about lost posts was this: Topic 53 has only 5 posts; Topic 59 has 12; 67 has 12 and 68 has 24. I don't know about others, but I'm sure these were much bigger when first I got into Spring. What happened?

Those losses had nothing to do with the move and happened ages ago. They were caused by an inexperienced new host. ;-) (hiding behind the curtain)

Oooohhhhh neat!! The Most Recent Postings are back on the main Drool page. Yeah!! Thanks Terry and Kayleen.

(Karen)Oooohhhhh neat!! The Most Recent Postings are back on the main Drool page. Yeah!! Thanks Terry and Kayleen. Yes, I noticed it too. I was in Geo when it happened, a few moments ago :-) Those losses had nothing to do with the move and happened ages ago. They were caused by an inexperienced new host. ;-) (hiding behind the curtain) Oh! So we'll never read them again? Or has Marcia saved them at some point?

They were lost getting drool's back, but that has been corrected.

Wow, our buttons are back! Thanks so much. Now I think the designer bars need to be removed as well, for aethestic reasons. They're pretty but just don't fit the overall design.

Just put them in Geo where they are well loved and appreciated *smile*

Marcia Has them - shall I send you the 53 file? Email, of course.

(Marcia)Just put them in Geo where they are well loved and appreciated *smile* I like 'em too:-)

...and Marcia does not have them any longer...rather she has the pristine marble bars which were chosen when the conference was first created....*sigh* I know...

If we are very polite and wash our hands and put on pretty dresses and act like ladies, may we have a Crafts Conference with Wolf and Marcia as Hosts...or crafters?! Please?

...but not before Food conference is brought up to speed and is back to being as lovely as Geo is and Paraspring, and all of those other non-default conferences. Food is the only conference without horizontal bars or other neat things. It makes me very sad to see it that way. Please fix it!

....oops...we've been found out already? *lol* Dontcha think someone needs to fix the Food conference and Screwed now? You and I could put up little curtains all around and hang copper pots from the ceiling, and wear frilly little aprons and little else (if'n you want to bury the lady idea altogether...) Think I got anyone's attention, Wolfie?!

I feel sorry for those buttons and bars... I really liked them, they were "happy". I feel a Conference should be created just so they could be used again :-)

They are in all other conferences (porch, food, news, cultures, babes, books, austin... on and on) not having their own setup like mine and Wolf's. I think I shall change back and forth as the seasons change, but there was such dedicated work on my behalf today I do not have the heart to change it now... By the end of the weekend, however ...

No, if they are on all the others, let them be and bask in your exclusivity ;-)

Thank you for saying that. I have been torn all day. They are the default buttons and are wonderful where they are to cheer up the default wallpaper which is really bland and intended to be so. You made me feel very good by your comment. Thank you more than I can say...*hugs* Gi, dear!

There is a glare on the bottom of the SpringCam where the phone number is. However, there is enough visible to know that it is one of Terry's Spring.net phones. Tonight is the first time I have not gotten a window saying that the url was not a working one. I am getting "the wailers in austin, texas" but I cannot hear anything but what is the computer equivalent of rectifier hum. My problem or Spring's? Otherwise things are splendid on The Spring and it is better than ever. Thanks for all the hard work and sleepless nights. I truly appreciate it! Anything new on Telnetting to Spring?

Mike is back! He is the crown jewel of Geo, I am happy to say. I miss others, though...

(What does a mom have to do to get her kid-the-geologist onto Spring?! Mine has a pretty neat one, too...*sigh*)

well, my connection to the spring is great! my thanks to all those hardworking behind the scenes type people!

Mine is, as well...Guess I do not need to hear SpringCam...*sigh* G'morning, Wolfie!

bleeding hearts!!! My Mother always had them and I have been away from the temperate zone for so long I have no idea how to grow them. I think I have heard some really pilau music from SpringCam (nevvah mind - did not like it so no loss!) and an occasional guy discussing things local Austin that I had no idea about. Mostly I am hunting for our fearless leader in blond ringlets or some other permutation and so far I have not seen him at all on SpringCam Ree...Yes. Terry...No. *sigh*

Even though this is hardly the topic... my bleeding hearts (which have taken over an entire terraced area, daffodils, columbine, and iris are pushing way up out of the ground. This idiotic weather. Everything here thinks it time to come out. Stupid plants! Don't they know it's still February. ;-)

http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/garden/2/new Actually... A friend in North Carolina said each time the snow melted the dandelions were blooming under the ice and snow and were all pretty and green and yellow. He said it was surrealistic!

Now playing on Spring's webcam, Colin Firth in Turn of the Screw, full motion fvideo and sound.

Thanks, Terry! We do not get it until this evening!

Terry!!! It'excellent quality sound and picture. Wow!!! HE is speaking... *sigh* Very much appreciated!!!

And after that there was this cool poetry show. About Rumi poetry.

Now playing, the Wailers, some hot mamas and some great reggae musicians, from the the live show the other night. Shot it with my digital camcorder. What a rockin' good time, man, I danced heavily for two hours.

Did anyone catch that? Gotta watch really carefully!!!

You are loud and clear and wonderful and I love it!!!

Yup! got it! Wish there were some way to save it here!

I even tried to pause on your image and using LviewPro to save you as part of the desktop capture. Your image turned into a pink screen. I am all disappointed. How do we get a picture of you like you look now? Much better, I might add. Men get better and better - like fine wine!

Nice house - needs some soft touches but no sound! (Hawaii still awake - IO sleeping elsewhere tonight...)

Love the side views - literally side...This must be the lovely house which you took a camera to hide behind. Lovely, like you said! And...of course no sound...tis a slide show!

It's still playing as a tape, the Wailers, Elota's play, Wimberly. It went to a blue screen for the latter part of last night.

Then I did not miss anything. Excellent!

(((((((((( TERRY )))))))))) SpringCam is making really nasty loud noises and the screen is black and blank, too. Help!

Firth.com and its chatroom are missing. Tried www.colinfirth.com, but that didn't get me there either.

Karen, when the cf domain problem gets resolved, would you consider listing The CF Chat Room with the other websites at the top of Drool? Then I wouldn't have to go to favorites first. Thank you:-)

I'll consider it. ;-)

I finally finished the move to our own nameservers, ns1.spring.net and ns2.spring.net so some things may be broken. The admins of cf may have to do a bit of patching, even though I tried to keep everyting intact. If anyone needs access information please email me terry@spring.net Today is the last day the old servers will run at the old Austin colocate facility so if you need anything off of 206.97.234.70 or 206.97.234.73 get it today.

I moved a *bunch* of sites last night to new locations: primoincense.com 207.0.32.100 atlantea.com 207.0.32.119 lifespaces.com 207.0.32.120 mysticalplaces.com 207.0.32.121 motorblade.com 207.0.32.122 miniaturebooks.com 207.0.32.123 colinfirth.com 207.0.32.155 firth.com 207.0.32.155 bioregion.com 207.0.32.157 childrenstory.com 207.0.32.158 tvreviewer.com 207.0.32.159 poolgoods.com 207.0.32.160 workontheweb.com 207.0.32.161 wholetech.com 207.0.32.162 saveseed.com 207.0.32.163 silkcloth.com 207.0.32.164 golftravel.net 207.0.32.165 divecruise.com 207.0.32.166 ns1.spring.net 208.165.65.27 ns2.spring.net 208.165.67.233 eatsolar.com 208.165.68.149 spring.net 208.165.85.156 austen.com 208.171.121.122 suzyamis.com 208.171.121.38 repeater.org 208.171.127.70 Not all of these are built, some are concept sites. But this is our current roster of websites. Note that firth.com is a *pointer* to colinfirth.com. Some folks who have authorship on these sites will need to email me for access. If anyone wants to volunteer to work on any of these sites plese email me terry@spring.net or post something here.

i'm willing to help out if i can. let me know what you need, terry!

You can visit some of these sites and say what you like or don't like, or suggest a direction for future growth. austen.com is now surpassing spring.net in overall traffic and bandwidth.

That is pleasing and gratifying to know! Ann, Congratulations!

Austen is really growing in size and bandwidth.

How much growth can this new server handle. Wolf is afraid to post pictures for fear of over-loading the Spring's share of their hard drives or however it is being done. I am also concerned about that...

*Clap* , *Clap*I applaud DWG and Ann at the helm.

We're already maxing out, but that's ok, we'll just run a pledge drive. Or I could go down to the freeway and hang out with a sign "Will work for bandwidth!".

No nononononono! Geo is hot these days, but I shall cut back on my postings. Have you posted this information on the email message board that was set up so you don't have to do that?! Time to rattle the cages again?! NO playing on the Freeway, Please! We NEED you!!!

Since austen.com is getting so incredibly popular. It's off the charts, a little ecommerce, like Visto and some click though programs to booksellers, etc ought to help as well, depending on how the powers at be at austen feel about that.

Terry, isn't this the kind of discussion that should be occurring on springcom?

maybe you should post something at austin.com for donations. make them pay for their site?

Most definitely! If they are using most of the bandwidth...

i still don't understand the bandwidth thing but know about taking up space. do you want me to start posting pics as hotlinks to save space? i can do it again if need be. (still got my geo account and it's got lots of room for now)

I can delete Ree's paintings from my space on Spring's hard drive too and portraits os Springizens, as well. (Wolfie, I think you and I are not using all of the space - I'll bet it is other stuff not even on Spring...)

well, if you delete ree's paintings, save them to disk! we don't want to lose any of her artwork at all.

they really belong in the artcentaur project we started. am waiting further instructions from ree-ree for building it up!

I just deleted two files from Geo...I have them on my hard drive in case anyone wants them posted again....*sigh*

I have Ree's stuff saved on my computer!...and all other stuff originally on the old hard drive. It should be on ArtCentaur...but all I have seen of it was the topic and a few posts...

yep. the domain did get registered but right after, ree went back to school and has been rather scarce. don't know whether we should press with it or wait. *sigh*

i want to wait too....

*hugs* Wolfie. It just won't be the same otherwise... We need Ree to be here to untie the maile lei which I insist on supplying!

Terry, It would appear that I will need to remove my Bucket site from Spring. Again, your Frontpage defaults overrode my pages' formatting specifications and I had to re-FTP mine. This is the second time in less than a week I've had to do so. This doesn't take into account my time to eliminate of all the duplicate files created by the program, which I assume also take up server space, which you are paying for. Karen

My connection to The Spring is splendid as far as using the Net. Is there a chance in this lifetime that I might have another telnet account established before I forget all that I learned? I would really appreciate it very much. I note that three different accounts are logged in the old way right now...

It may be that you have to get your own website to get a telent account. I'm still figuring this one out. And it might be that you could only telnet to your own website server. Now if that server were the same one (baldur) that the spring is hosted on you would have access.

OK...I'll wait for now. Do you mean my own website on my isp or elsewhere or do you mean my own website on The Spring?

I mean you might have to have your own dedicated website on baldur.

I need to discuss this with someone to whom I cannot speak right now. I'll just wait till things calm down some more then talk directly with baldur...is that the way I should attack this problem? I still cannot understand why I cannot telnet in from my account on Hawaii-on-line. Might have a go at it again.

Thanks for talking to me about this, Terry...Will talk to Kat about it on Monday. Thanks! I'll let you know what she says...!

Just a little note to remind the rest of the United States that you will "Spring Forward on hour at 2AM tomorrow but Hawaii remains on Standard time. That means Austin will be 5 hours ahead of us (when it is 10am in Austin, it is only 5am in Hawaii) and the East coast will be 6 hours ahead of us. It is as though 1000 miles of ocean is being slipped between us and the Mainland. Aloha.

I shall post it in there, but our handsome and fearless leader does not go into Geo unless I truss and haul him in all by my little self...so I thought I would put it out here, first with the hope that he just might see it. It is amazingly confusing to the rest of the world as to whether we are 5 hours ahead or behind everybody. Just remember, Hawaii is the last place in America to get anything - including the day. Theoretically, that means we should know if the world is going to end tomorrow, because most of you are there already and are still posting!

According to Maggie, they went on British Summer Time last weekend.

MEXICO CITY - Debate flares over the adoption of daylight- savings time in Mexico. Among the evils of daylight-savings enumerated by Mexican Senator Felix Salgado is the strain it puts on good marital relations. Ever since it was introduced, six years ago, setting the clock back has caused distress among Latin lovers who are unable to engage in their 'mananero' (Spanish for morning quickie - really!) because wives have to take their children to school an hour earlier. In Salgado's defense, he also mentions the risk that school- children face, venturing out on crime-ridden streets in the dark, but with elections just months away he's focusing on the issues that really hit home.

Thanks, Marcia, I had just noticed it on my calendar. I hate this one. :-(

Me too...we will be farther from civilization than ever.

While you're shifting your clocks...remember to check the batteries on your smoke detectors!

Thanks for that, Ann. We don't shift our clocks but we do need to check the batteries in the smoke detectors. Mahalo!

Terry requested I put this comment on Porch. I thought this topic would reach the most people: We need a way to post to topics via email ...-wlll you please post this in porch? I am trying to figure how it would be possible to email Spring and show up as a posting. Login? How? More information as it becomes available. Till then, any thoughts ?

Spring is taking a very long time to load and refresh for me? Anyone else having this problem. I'm not experiencing it with any other sites.

Have called digihost. Problem is all fixed. :-)

Webtrends, man. I never saw such detailed stats on our site. Whois is fitzwd in place 6?

fitwd is a Droolian lady. Firthian, actually

Sheesh - I knew I was busy here, but did not think I was that overwhelming. Shall I just slink back to my cave? (I am trying to keep stuff going while the usual busy poster is on Hiatus (that cursed Greek (?) island...)

No! Keep on truckin' Marci! Stay out in the daylight, you don't want that dark 'ol cave.

That's for sure! I'll be here when I'm not doing baseball stuff in real life for the UHHilo Vulcans (we have no short name for us, unfortunately - other than "the Vuls")

Great!

...I'm doin' it even as we read this stuff here. I gotta lotta stuff to post, and I just can't let a comment go uncommented upon...*sigh* (Like this one!)

Can't believe Geo and Food (only that one gluttony topic someone once called it) broke Drool's stranglehold on the top 10 busiest conferences...Yippee! Congratulations to the hosts *smile*

neato stats Paul!

If Drool has so many hits...why do so few people post? ~~~~~ I personally don't care...but do you think these stats showing the top ten users should be posted on a public board? Maybe we should respect people's privacy. Or at least warn them ?

If I want Big Brother to watch me, I can get enough of that at work. Don't need it in my recreational time.

Aloha Donna! Terry is anything but Big Brother. But, perhaps he is not the one with which lies your concern. I live with one I am breaking of that nasty habit. I appreciate your adversity to the very idea.

Hi Marcia. Sorry if my response sounded edgy. The stats reminded me too much of the workplace :-( In a better mood now :-)

I know...and that is why I identified you as I did when Terry wondered who fitzwd was. Been there, done that, have the T-shirt (and all the rest of that stuff) *hugs* for being so regular in your posting. We need more to be that way!

well, i don't really care if i'm listed on the top users. the only one who can link it to me is terry and a limited few others. big brother's watching anyway, so smile at the camera!

Hey, I didn't mean any bigbrothishness! On a lighter, less personal note, Saturday is the lonliest day of the week! Activity Level by Day of the Week Day Hits % of Total Hits User Sessions 1 Sun 91,712 13.51% 19,092 2 Mon 123,738 18.23% 24,313 3 Tue 117,172 17.26% 22,627 4 Wed 118,037 17.39% 21,776 5 Thu 112,797 16.61% 21,954 6 Fri 104,171 15.34% 20,605 7 Sat 11,073 1.63% 2,778 Total Weekdays 575,915 84.85% 111,275 Total Weekend 102,785 15.14% 21,870

And Monday is the least lonely, most active. But Saturday, the Spring must roll up the sidewalks!

We're also night people. Activity Level by Hours Details Hour # of Hits % of Total Hits # of User Sessions 00:00-00:59 21,897 3.22% 4,885 01:00-01:59 17,346 2.55% 4,088 02:00-02:59 15,663 2.3% 3,438 03:00-03:59 14,526 2.14% 3,389 04:00-04:59 13,710 2.02% 2,797 05:00-05:59 15,425 2.27% 2,757 06:00-06:59 15,276 2.25% 3,186 07:00-07:59 18,262 2.69% 3,805 08:00-08:59 21,602 3.18% 4,763 09:00-09:59 25,412 3.74% 5,660 10:00-10:59 32,825 4.83% 6,537 11:00-11:59 33,591 4.94% 6,225 12:00-12:59 36,660 5.4% 6,581 13:00-13:59 37,469 5.52% 6,822 14:00-14:59 37,539 5.53% 7,103 15:00-15:59 39,025 5.74% 7,446 16:00-16:59 42,668 6.28% 7,819 17:00-17:59 38,658 5.69% 7,189 18:00-18:59 37,994 5.59% 6,975 19:00-19:59 35,109 5.17% 6,497 20:00-20:59 36,492 5.37% 6,675 21:00-21:59 34,419 5.07% 6,297 22:00-22:59 29,826 4.39% 6,306 23:00-23:59 27,306 4.02% 5,905 Total Users during Work Hours (8:00am-5:00pm) 306,791 45.2% 58,956 Total Users during After Hours (5:01pm-7:59am) 371,909 54.79% 74,189 All this from http://www.spring.net/_webtrends

Interesting stats. You wondered why so few people post when we get so many hits, Evelyn. Did you notice that in this 2-month+ time period, there were 30796 one time user visits but only 1,179 users who visited 10 or more times? We must have scared off the first-timers from ever visiting again. ;-) Also, if it makes even one person uncomfortable about having a personal stat posted here, I think we should take it off. I saved the site though for future reference. Illuminating.

terry, you're gonna explode with all that info!!

I, for one, love to see stats - it is the only way I can really tell how Geo is doing when we have a lot of responses being posted. I requested to know some time ago if there were a way for me to tell how well Geo was doing in comparison with other conferences, including Drool. I appreciate knowing, and I thank you!

Yep, sorry if anyone was offended. I didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings. I'm just a nut for statistics. I'm curious as to how our site is doing. Stats are available for our other sites as well. And speaking of other sites: Month to date plan bandwidth [HELP] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain Name Bandwidth Used PCT austen.com 2,746,026 KB 55.42% spring.net 1,189,254 KB 24.00% childrenstory.com 572,185 KB 11.55% colinfirth.com 262,895 KB 5.31% repeater.org 15,675 KB 0.32% georgebush2000.net 4,125 KB 0.08% mitchie.com 3,407 KB 0.07% eatsolar.com 1,733 KB 0.03% tcares.org 1,516 KB 0.03% silkcloth.com 1,078 KB 0.02% mysticalplaces.com 931 KB 0.02% atlantea.com 887 KB 0.02% bioregion.com 808 KB 0.02% motorblade.com 731 KB 0.01% suzyamis.com 560 KB 0.01% golftravel.net 301 KB 0.01% workontheweb.com 149 KB 0.00% lifespaces.com 127 KB 0.00% divecruise.com 90 KB 0.00% saveseed.com 77 KB 0.00% miniaturebooks.com 67 KB 0.00% primoincense.com 63 KB 0.00% webarter.net 44 KB 0.00% tvreviewer.com 43 KB 0.00% wholetech.com 20 KB 0.00% jefftv.com 19 KB 0.00% poolgoods.com 19 KB 0.00% Total Bandwidth 4.95 GB

What on Austen.com is consuming so much bandwidth? Is it sheer volume of words or something else? I think they need to help you raise money to afford you more bandwidth. While I am deleting things from my tiny hard drive space, they are off and flying and I am beginning to resent that....Please explain, as Ann is my hero(ine) so far...

Oh, and could you bread down how the conferences on Spring are doing as far as bandwidth is concerned. Thanks! In other words, should I shut down Geo???

No way should you shut down geo or delete *any* of your stuff. The bandwidth is used by much bigger files, mostly log files and archives. I am dealing with these issues so you don't have to worry about them. Bandwidth refers to the information being transferred over the web, not to the amount of disk space anyway. It means that austen.com is very, very popular these days. Disk usage looks like this: Week to date plan disk usage [HELP] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Domain Name Date Updated Data Storage Used PCT spring.net 2000-04-19 1,057,143 KB 80.85% austen.com 2000-04-20 134,736 KB 10.30% childrenstory.com 2000-04-20 37,920 KB 2.90% colinfirth.com 2000-04-20 20,167 KB 1.54% mitchie.com 2000-04-20 7,784 KB 0.60% repeater.org 2000-04-20 7,762 KB 0.59% atlantea.com 2000-04-20 6,728 KB 0.51% tcares.org 2000-04-20 3,789 KB 0.29% silkcloth.com 2000-04-20 2,618 KB 0.20% eatsolar.com 2000-04-20 2,405 KB 0.18% georgebush2000.net 2000-04-20 1,407 KB 0.11% poolgoods.com 2000-04-20 1,315 KB 0.10% golftravel.net 2000-04-20 1,284 KB 0.10% bioregion.com 2000-04-20 1,254 KB 0.10% primoincense.com 2000-04-20 994 KB 0.08% mysticalplaces.com 2000-04-20 978 KB 0.07% suzyamis.com 2000-04-20 934 KB 0.07% jefftv.com 2000-04-20 874 KB 0.07% motorblade.com 2000-04-20 702 KB 0.05% saveseed.com 2000-04-20 665 KB 0.05% webarter.net 2000-04-20 633 KB 0.05% lifespaces.com 2000-04-20 631 KB 0.05% divecruise.com 2000-04-20 630 KB 0.05% miniaturebooks.com 2000-04-20 625 KB 0.05% tvreviewer.com 2000-04-20 620 KB 0.05% workontheweb.com 2000-04-20 607 KB 0.05% wholetech.com 2000-04-20 582 KB 0.04% Total Disk Usage 1307.60 MB I think you'll see a big decline in spring.net's disk space soon. But don't worry about it Marcia! Use all you want.

Thanks, Terry. Understand about the size of the files, and I try my utmost to keep them manageable - most especially the image ones. I know this also worried Wolfie who has not posted many pictures on her collecting conference since you mentioned about the bandwidth problems. Thanks for the clarifications. Log files are killers. My son just had to deal with the company-he-works-for's "Log Jam" and deleted an incredible amount of "stuff" which was no longer relevant.

Y'all stop being paranoid. You are not the problem, you're the solution! Your a teeny, tiny drop in the bucket of our disk pool, but your content far outweighs the space you use. Don't worry. Be happy. Use our disk space for your noble pursuits. Keep on keepin' on.

Yippee!!! Just What I needed to know... I shall not doubt again. Not being paranoid...just concerned about you and your commitment to Spring and its importance in our lives. The best people in the world post here. I *know* that! Now, I'll go convince Wolfie and we'll be back in business *grin*

I've started a fundraiser on Austen.com, so I hope that pulls in some money for you. I'd be happy to try to cut down on the bandwidth, but I don't know how it all works. Would bandwidth decrease, if some of the often-loaded files were smaller? Any other ways to decrease it?

Your bandwidth was so high due to the chatroom, which no longer exists.

Bandwidth is the amount of data flowing through the pipes, not the stored data.

I wonder why chat rooms use so much bandwidth? I wonder if there's software that's less bandwidth intensive for this purpose?

Wondering even more why Sprin5 does not add Geo to his list so we can see recent posts there. Is he playing favorites? Shall I go on strike and not post until he does? I know it is accessable because when I telnetted, it gave me my entire conference list. He added springark and collecting but not Geo. Terry, meet you out in the alley in 5 minutes to slug this out!!!

I added Geo! (see, she beat me up in the alley, I'm getting treatment for all those bruises).

*giggle* If you only knew what a pussycat and pacifist I am... Thank you!

(Let's see what sort of match-up we'd make. I'm 5'6" and about 120 pounds soaking wet on a fat day...)

now that terry is checking in more frequently...i have a question that may seem a selfish concern of mine but.... terry, how come i can't type in the url address: http://www.midnightwolf.net? do i have to use the spring.net/wolf/index.html? (marcia, i'm shorter and, shamedly, outweigh you).....

(most medium-sized birds outweigh me, according to my mother! That is up from my eternal 116 pounds which was a little too skinny.) Can't answer the other question...

Yup! I too hate being told I am too skinny like I did it on purpose. They don't say it any more. They ask me to share my secrets, now. I can lose weight sitting still. Twitch factor is the deal. At 100, I was way too thin even with my small bones - it's the long legs and long neck which stretches me out.

Oh yeah, I can eat the house male under the table, too!

i'm small-boned with a short torso (the AM's taller but my jeans are longer than his!!) so the weight i lug around is really visible, you know? esp. since i carry it the german way, on the hips....(but i am working out *smile*)

I figured my "twin" sister would also be short-waisted...just as I am. Don't seem to carry weight in any particular place, though I suppose that is not a bad thing. If I had my druthers...*sigh*

i know what you mean. i used to joke about how i would move this to there, etc.!! (it even made my mom laugh)

Yup!

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Can anyone tell me why I cannot see any of the graphics on www.spring.net with my powerful and new desktop computer using Netscape 4.7 but I can see them with IE on my miserable little w 3.1 laptop?! Must I switch to IE for this computer, as well?

I may have to do some re-authoring of the main page. It doesn't happen on other pages does it?

I just deleted some files in the /tmp directory on baldur, our host machine. I got a call from Karen a bit ago saying folks couldn't post. That may fix it. If you're reading this it's fixed.

It's fixed now. I'll call Karen R.

I just let Marci know via dialpad, I didn't have KarenR's number handy.

Thanks Terry, and I just emailed Karen no, it does not happen on any other place except www.spring.net

What happened is that the /tmp directory got full and I mistakenly told Karen I had no control over it. But I was wrong. I was actually able to go in and delete some files that were owned by sprin5. So next time I'll be able to fix it. Call me if it ever happens again as soon as it occurs! Thanks for the heads up Karen R!

I shall call you. I am just shy on the phone...I could have alerted you immediately after it happened. I did send you 2 emails...

Thanks, how it gets done is not important...just that it gets done. :-) Maybe that /tmp directory should get regularly dumped...like once a week???

Btw, while the Spring was frozen, did anyone notice the mess it made of our hotlists? Phantom posts were listed and empty when accessed. Curious! Great idea, Karen!

Yep, I'll start checking it regularly.

Right now it's empty, it has one subdirectory. $ cd /tmp $ ls -l total 1 drwx------ 2 missi2 user 512 Apr 20 11:25 ssh-missi.

There seems to be problems on Austen.com. Our boards have disappeared, my mailbox is gone, and I can't even FTP in. Any idea what's wrong? It was working earlier this afternoon, but stopped functioning around 2pm or so. The main pages of the site are still working, it's just the CGI scripts and FTP access that is busted. (If I can't get in, I can't even take a look round to figure out what's wrong.)

All of Austen.com seems to be down now. Can't get in at all. :(

I'll check it out.

I can't figure out what's going on, it's at our hosting service, I can ping it but I can't telnet to it, ftp to it, or anything. So I'm leaving voicemail and email for mike, the sysad guy.

terry see my topic in projects. maybe this is the answer to my question...

OK I'll look, wolf.

I looked and set up an ftp account, well, go to projects for the details.

I sent an e-mail to Digihost too. Thanks for taking a look, Terry!

Thanks, Ann. Maybe they'll catch the email, the office closes at 5 pm EST. So if anyone ever catches an outage like this try and make a voice call to me before 4 pm CST, 5 pm EST, if at all possible. I'll look into setting up a backup server with a different name.

Btw, Ann, that is a great page with the plea for help with funding - any response?

I got a response today, $50 check. Thank you!

Connection refused -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Description: Connection refused This is what I get trying to enter DWG. I hope it will be up soon.

It was up earlier for me. Just the message boards were down. Oh dear!

We should be able to get things back up this morning when our server facility opens around 8 am EST or in about and hour and fifteen minutes from now.

It looks like our hosts Apache webserver is down right now because I can telnet in but I can't get to the site via the web. I just got email from Gena who's having the same problem. I'm in touch with our site hosts via email and am trying to get through via phone right now.

Now we're back up!

We're back! Thanks for the help, Terry :) [This might scare people into donating too! :) A lot of people have asked me whether the crash was connnected to the lack of money.]

Nope, not connected, is was a disk error on the server. I thought it might have been the Apache webserver, but that was not the case. I'm setting up a couple of backups for future outages, if they occur. If it's ok with the authors and denizens of austen.com, we'll tell springeurs to go check the austen.com board in the event of an outage and we'll tell austhe.com folks to post on the old austen conference on spring if an outage occurs there. It would be extremely unlikely both would go down at the same time, as they're on totally different server machines.

No need, Terry, we here at Drool have our own emergency backups--a listserv and a message board over at Insidetheweb (as does austen.com).

Yep, we have a couple off-site back-ups. We've got a couple bulletin boards at InsideTheWeb (which is why I pointed out we could move our boards off-site if costs of them became prohibitted) and we now have an off-site chat room. I was thinking, though, Terry, maybe you should write up some sort of an introduction to the Spring page. I could post it over on the Tea Room board, to give people an idea of what's available at the Spring. Right now, most probably barely know it exists.

Ann, have you tried out the chatroom facilities advertised at the top of the Insidetheweb board from a place called Beseen.com (or something like that?) Haven't been to your alternate chat sites. What's the name of it at AT&T?

beseen.com isn't good at all, we've been there.

Thanks Ann, I'll post something in the tea room. I'm trying to impart some more content besides just the conferences to the Spring.

I think I was the only one who liked the BeSeen rooms :( At ATT, we use the name "Austen". See you there!

Didn't see that in the Dropdown box.

No, you have to create it as a private room. I have instructions on the Tea Room board--with pictures and everything. Instructions on getting in.

...thanks, although when I went looking for it, the Tea Room wasn't there. ;-) And I have to register, right?

Yep, you have to register. I usually lie when I register on sites. I'm often a 50 something male janitor names Peter Shrinks.

*lol* Love your nom de guerre!

Please check the updates on your virus checker - especially if you are using MS Outlook program and Internet Explorer. Three files you should NOT open if they show up in your inbox are I LOVE YOU, VERYFUNNY, and JOKE. Check your download file for anything they might have put in there, as well.

'Love Bug' Takes New Forms to Smite Users Friday - 16:30 05/05/2000, EST NEW YORK (Reuters) - Copycat variants of the ``Love Bug'' virus labeled ``Joke'' and ``Mother's Day'' infected computers around the world on Friday, a day after the most widespread cyberattack ever wreaked havoc on business and government operations. Tens of millions of computers have been disabled so far, as the virus, first detected in Asia, spread around the globe, forcing network administrators to shut down e-mail systems at major companies and penetrating the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency and Britain's Parliament. Security experts said the virus was far more devastating than last year's Melissa bug, with losses now counting in the billions from damaged data and the distractions of fighting the software scourge, and warned that it could take a while to stem the invasion. By one estimate, approximately 45 million computers around the world have been infected by various strains of the virus, according to Computer Economics, a research firm in Carlsbad, Calif. ``We estimate $2.61 billion of damage has been done,'' said Samir Bhavnani, a research analyst with Computer Economics. ``By Wednesday, the total can reach $10 billion. We see damages growing by $1 billion to $1.5 billion a day until the virus is eradicated.'' Other experts said actual damage estimates would be harder to pin down. Sal Viveros, group manager for Network Associates' (NETA.O) Total Virus Defense, told a conference call of reporters that his researchers have found as many of five different variants of the virus, although he didn't yet have details of the specifics of the variants. Business software maker Computer Associates International said it was relatively easy to create new strains of the virus. ``There's a potential that anyone who receives this virus can go to the Internet and (find) tools to change codes within the virus program that can give the e-mail or the attachment a new name,'' said Simon Perry, vice president for security products at Computer Associates International Inc. (CA.N). The Islandia, N.Y. is a leading maker of anti-virus software such as InoculateIT. For the time being, most of the virus variants are only cosmetically different from the original virus. ``Based on our research, we believe that the variants are coming from a number of different people,'' Perry said. LOVE BUG TAKES NEW FORMS TO TRICK USERS Technically, the software scourge is known as a worm, not a virus. ``Worms have the ability to self-replicate; viruses do not,'' said Jeff Carpenter, a security expert with the Computer Emergency Response Team, a Defense Dept.-funded clearinghouse at Carnegie-Mellon University in Pittsburgh. The original worm ``ILOVEYOU,'' works by enticing e-mail recipients to open an attached letter, only to cripple their e-mail systems. This so-called Love Bug continued to pop up in e-mail systems on Friday, even as variants appeared to pose new tricks for computer users. But the effect is unchanged: Upon opening the attachment using Microsoft software such as the Outlook program, it sends a copy of the worm to everyone in the user's address book and seeks to destroy a variety of files throughout a computer network, including picture and music files. The worm is being sent as an e-mail attachment and many sites are experiencing significantly increased electronic mail traffic. The worm can spread through network disk drives, Web pages, and via IRC (Internet Relay Chat), a communications system popular with computer aficionados, experts said. The damage is limited to users of the Microsoft Windows operating system, said Gene Hodges, president of McAfee, a maker of anti-virus software and a unit of Network Associates. ``We've seen no evidence of affected users of Apple, Linux or Unix operating systems,'' he added. In one new version designed to spoil the upcoming ``Mother's Day'' holiday that will be celebrated in the United States on May 14, a variant of LoveLetter sends e-mails which appear to be a confirmation of an electronic gift order. ``The Mother's Day version of this worm is quite cunning,'' said Mikko Hypponen, manager of anti-virus research at computer security firm F-Secure Corp.'s laboratories in Helsinki, Finland. ``The e-mail appears to be a confirmation of an order for 'Mother's Day diamond special,' and the attached file mothersday.vbs is portrayed as if it were an invoice. With only eight days to go until Mother's Day, this attack is quite credible,'' he said. F-Secure has identified five variants so far in its efforts to keep pace with the worldwide assault. Another variant appears to have originated in Lithuania, in which the subject line reads, ``Susitikem shi vakara kavos puodukui.'' In Lithuanian, the sentence translates into: ``Let's meet this evening for coffee.'' And still another has ``fwd: Joke'' in the subject line and an attached file called ``Very Funny.vbs,'' which when opened has a similar impact as the ``Love Bug.'' One scary aspect of these worms is that they prey on behavior patterns that most people don't think twice about. ``I think everyone in the world has seen the news about the 'ILOVEYOU.' But say your computer has been affected. You're having a miserable day. And you open something that says 'Very funny,' because you need a laugh. The next thing you know, you're infected all over again.'' Anti-virus software developers scrambling to keep ahead of the mutating software have found it relatively easy so far to eradicate the copy-cat versions of the virus by comparing the variant virus codes to the original ``signature'' code. LOVE BUG TRACED TO PHILIPPINE INTERNET ACCOUNT Philippine police sources said the author of the ``Love Bug'' may be a 23-year-old man living in a Manila suburb, but computer security experts cautioned that computer hackers could write in clues to mislead investigators. Manila police were probing the case after a request from the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation. A Manila Internet service provider, Supernet, had earlier said the virus appeared to have first spread from two of its e-mail accounts. Kevin Mitnick, a former hacker who served nearly five years in prison for hacking, said in a U.S. television interview that the initial author of the worm could have been acting to throw off investigators, adding that it was easy to establish a mail account anywhere in the world so that it could not be tracked. Experts warned the full effects of the bug may carry through the weekend. ``We're starting to see the situation come under control,'' McAfee's Hodges said. ``Starting Monday, we should start to see the virus start to abate.''

Austen.com seems to be doing something strange. I am getting intermittent Internal Server Errors on my CGI boards. It will happen, then not happen the next time I try to click on something, then happen again, on and off. Very strange...might presage something nasty.

Austen.com's boards seem to be down completely now :(

Yesterday I had temporary trouble with FTP but it was resolved just in time for a post using an ephemeral internet source to be scribbled and replaced with the FTP'd diagram we needed to have reliably on the topic. Have not needed to use FTP today yet, so I don't know how it is faring now.

I too could not get in. This is what I get: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, auste3@austen.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

I typed austen.com on Netcape and voila! I am in and all seems to be in working order.

voila viola, Maggie's here with me and she's rather MAD!

Spanna and maggia say HI! Bye the way, thankyou for the hug, Marcia. Here's one in return... *Hug!*

Oooh! Lovely stuff, Viola! Thanks for the hug! Sit on her and put cold compresses on her if Maggie gets too far out of hand. Can't take chances with ladies like her *grin* Aloha all! Behave yourselves and remember to say thank you and wash your hands and...

Austen is still acting weird. One minute it works and the next it doesn't. I don't understand how that happens :(

Oh dear...Terry!?! Where are you?

*Disapproving look from T.* (The gang's all here!) Just finished a concert and maggie and Tony enjoyed my MARVELLOUS singing and timpani playing, but then again, I am Brilliant! (I can't understand why maggie is rolling around on the floor in hysterics...!)

(Marcia: maggie's not allowed to open her emails until tomorrow because we've had to lock her away for the evening. I'm sure you'll understand.)

(Marcia: Gotta go, Tony wants to drive home. Bye!! From Viola, maggie, spanna, and Tony!)

*lol*

Sorry about the pitch invasion - circumstances beyond my control! I shall send her back to Geo! (and she's not mine - honest!)

YeahYeahYeah....*grin*

The problem is still going on at Austen. Digihost e-mailed me saying it should be fixed now, but it isn't :(

OK, I'll call and email them today. I haven't experienced any problems today in some thorough testing I did. I made sure the /tmp file wasn't full.

Still getting internal server errors, but only on the tea room, everything else is fine. Totally bizarre, it happened here at drool earlier this AM as well. Don't remember what time.

I'll open a top session at austen.com and see what processes are running on austen. Maybe I can see what the problem is by this method.

All I see is that root is running a telnet session that's using 42% of the cpu process time, an unusually high amount for a telnet session. load averages: 9.21, 6.59, 4.89 16:20:23 176 processes: 11 running, 163 sleeping, 2 zombie CPU states: 27.8% user, 0.0% nice, 72.2% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0%idle Memory: Real: 60M/103M Virt: 582M/1385M Free: 104M PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 1186 root 101 0 328K 452K run/0 23.1H 44.92% 44.92% telnet 4348 cmaco2 39 0 216K 540K run/0 0:02 2.59% 2.59% popper 14132 www 2 0 4568K 3232K sleep 1:49 0.93% 0.93% pnserver 9900 agenc2 2 0 208K 512K sleep 0:00 1.36% 0.68% popper 10065 root -14 0 1184K 1424K sleep 0:00 6.66% 0.63% sendmail 10063 root 30 0 1184K 1424K run/0 0:00 6.15% 0.59% sendmail 10061 root 30 0 1236K 1504K run/0 0:00 3.50% 0.49% sendmail 10066 root 10 0 1236K 1136K sleep 0:00 1.03% 0.10% sendmail 10080 root 2 0 1244K 1264K sleep 0:00 2.00% 0.10% sendmail 10059 root -5 0 1300K 1120K sleep 0:00 0.70% 0.10% sendmail 10071 root -6 0 1300K 1248K sleep 0:00 1.03% 0.10% sendmail 10069 root 28 0 1236K 1216K run/0 0:00 0.51% 0.05% sendmail 8598 www 28 0 8496K 1108K run/0 0:00 0.05% 0.05% httpd 10054 root 10 0 1300K 1164K sleep 0:00 0.35% 0.05% sendmail 10053 root 10 0 1236K 1104K sleep 0:00 0.35% 0.05% sendmail

Okay, that means next to nothing for me;) Terry, how 'bout translating?

Why is 'root' running a telnet session??? Is it necissary? can it be shut down?

Hi, fellas--can you restore the log in button to Spring's home page? Many thanks from those of us who share our computer and can't bookmark the site. :-)

Austen.com is still having tons of problems. The CGI boards are practically shut down. You have to keep trying to reload the page about a dozen times before you'll be able to get it to load :(

Log button resotred. I sent more email to the hosts. They say it's fixed now. But Ann says not. So I forwarded Ann's email to them. Send email to support@digihost.com describing what's going wrong and be sure to mention the url, austen.com.

More correspondence sent to Ann from Digihost regarding the problem, they want more specifics about what's happening.

I sent them sample URL's where there are problems and the fact that it happens sometimes and sometimes not.

Log button resotred. Thanks!

Austen.com is working again :)

Maybe they said the magic words - it more than a little resembles smoke and mirrors they way they do things at DigiHost!

I moved it from the far right side of the screen to the left side as well, I guess folks couldn't see it all the way on the right side of the screen.

Even with Netscape at full screen and my monitor adjusted to eliminate wrap-under, I still cannot see the right side unless I scroll over to do so. I still wonder if I will ever be able to see the pictures there! Without installing IE, that is...

I need to do a maor revision on the spring.net main page. I need to work with a team, are some of the folks who worked on austen.com interested in helping with this?

That would be me, Terry. Sure, I can help. Let me know what you are looking for.

Mostly, a fresh vision. It's too much of a one man show. I'd love to give you permission to just go in and revise our page! Will you have a crack at it?

Send me the password, and I can clean up the page so all the images and links work. They we can talk about what you want it to look like.

I see you're on right now :)

I see my e-mail isn't right here...it should be ann@austen.com

Will changes on the main Spring page affect my Bucket pages? Or have you figured out how to exclude my directory?

There is a new conference at Spring. Please check it out... http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/crafts/all/new Terry, is there anything I know enough about to be helpful to you? I am ever willing but also know my limitations...

You know about a lot of things - radio, sports, earth sciences, hawaii that are helpful to my understanding of these topics. Crafts is a real good conference idea. I wonder if you could get some crafts websites to link to it by emailing the folks that run them?

Wolfie is the webring expert - I'm still hunting for one for Geo which is appropriate. I'll let her connect us with the outer world. Thanks for the suggestions and the compliments *blush* Right now I am on the laptop because I installed Norton Utilities anti virus and it has frozen my big PC and I cannot get it to reboot completely - keeps shutting me down. Any suggestions???

Okay, I went ahead and reformatted the front page of the site. I hope I have all the links and images working, and have everything formatted so that it all fits on everyone's screen. The only thing I didn't get working was the hit counter at the bottom. Any one having problems with the new formatting?

Hmmm, the Real Player things aren't working on the front. For some reason they are trying to access something on the austen.com site. I'm getting a file not found error for: pnm://austen.com:7070/auste3/live.ra Don't know what that's doing in there. The only thing on the page that refers to Austen is the link in the what's cool section.

Wow, that's a great start Ann. Do you find it hard reworking Frontpage stuff? Feel free to get more creative and throw in plugs for Austen, Firth or whatever you like.

Terry: What's going on? These Internal Server Errors keep popping up. Have to hit Reload several times and then it goes through.

It is very spotty. I still have to go to main before I can get anything but the error message. Ann, I can see your front page! Thank you forever for that. My Geo globe is finally visible! Yippee!!!

Karen, thanks for suggesting hitting the reload button to get the posts through. It really works...*whew*

It does work but it's a pain, I'm looking at the server now.

Terry, this sounds like the same problem Austen.com was having last week. Our HTML pages were working, but our CGI pages weren't.

It just took me 7 hits of the reload to read your message - still not fixed even if Mike of DigiHost is logged on...

I noticed the same thing Ann about your pages too. My Bucket HTML pages were OK, but the Conference (yapp-bin stuff) wasn't. Might help isolating the problem.

This is a royal drag....Is the problem with Digihost? Spring? How come Pemberley never has that problem?

I checked running non-yapp programs like Digihosts own administration program and was getting the same errors, this would indicate that it's not a Yapp problem rather a server problme.

slippage.

Is anyone home there? I see that Mike at DigiHost is logged on most of the time. It makes me wonder if he just turns it on and leaves, giving the semblance of being active when he is not, in fact...

I've been fiddling with the front page again: http://www.spring.net Any ideas folks? Any suggestions?

Looks great! I like the way you put the login and signup on the left on the table with the conference titles. (Can you add Crafts, please?) Like the smaller font used at the bottom and the spacing, as well. Not sure about the middle - it needs to be renewed fairly often if we are going to go for post from certain conferences - but that is Terry's call and this is just my opinion.

Go Ann, Go. Stands up and cheers. Can I be your cheerleader section! Go wild! Make some big changes! Give me an A. Give me and N. Give me another N! Go Ann!!!!

Please get in touch with me if you have any ideas for courses we could run online and tie in with the Spring conferences. This may be the mmost important project the Spring has ever undertaken and is vital for our future growth. Please pass the word around about this. We're looking for courses based on topics in all our conferences and courses around the works of Jane Austen and her novels and adaptations. This will become a growing venture within the Spring with funding going to the community as a whole and the participants in the project. Scale of importance: Extremely high priority, urgent!

I'd really like to get a preliminary proposal together by Friday and would love to see some discussion of this around the Spring.

This could cause problems here too.... Magnetic storm may disrupt pagers, broadcasts It's caused by the eruption of a giant sunspot, scientists say By Helen Altonn Star-Bulletin A magnetic storm this weekend could disrupt radio transmissions and satellites and produce colorful northern lights visible over most of the mainland. Islanders aren't likely to see the aurora, which is rarely visible this far south, said University of Hawaii astronomer Donald Mickey. A full moon also would make it difficult to see, he said. As for whether television, pager and radio reception will be affected, he said: "We don't know how to forecast these effects in enough detail so far to be able to tell whether TVs will be affected." He said National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration forecasters in Colorado expect the storm "to be large, but probably not devastating." NOAA scientists reported that the solar flare already has caused some radio blackouts. The sun may be nearing the peak of its 11-year cycle, known as solar maximum, Mickey said. "You never know (if you reach the peak) until it starts going down again." A giant sunspot eruption just after midnight Hawaii time yesterday triggered the magnetic storm. Billions of tons of plasma and charged particles were ejected into space, some at 3 million miles an hour, NOAA scientists said. The mass ejection was expected to hit the Earth's magnetic field this afternoon and cause the geomagnetic storm. Mickey said the eruption was the biggest this cycle but there haven't been many. "We've been sort of wondering, expecting more big flares, and that hasn't happened so far." Sometimes larger flares happen later in the cycle, he said. The latest eruption occurred in a very complex magnetic region near the visible part of the sun, Mickey said. "When a large flare like this is at the surface, sometimes -- and this is one of those cases -- an amount of corona gets ejected into interplanetary space, leaving sort of a hole in the corona and sending basically a cloud of plasma out away from the sun," he said. Cameras on the NASA spacecraft SOHO, positioned to look continuously at the sun, showed the ejection "and within minutes, the cameras were hit by clouds of very fast protons that showed up as snow on the images," Mickey said. A severe solar storm in 1989 knocked out power stations serving Canada and northeastern states, and an electrical transformer in New Jersey. UH astronomers are collaborating with scientists around the country to study the solar maximum. Mickey said they're setting up interdisciplinary studies "that will try to understand this all the way from the sun to Earth and how it affects things we do in our daily lives."

I wonder if this will affect local vhf/uhf?

Nothing noted here.....but it is not yet over. Would love reports of any adverse effects from this extraordianry event.

Help! Help! Help! The counter I installed on my Bridget Jones page stopped working yesterday. I've had it up there since July 5 and then suddenly yesterday it stopped. The message within the counter reads: "could not create data files /var/Counter/data/x.dat" I tried another counter from the Webhosting features page, but got the same thing. Looks to me like something isn't working on the server. Here's the url of my Bridget page. http://www.spring.net/karenr/mdbro/bjd.html Also, how do I look at stats?

I can install the Frontpage 2000 counter if you like, Karen. Would you like me to do this? Do you have Frontpage?

No, I do not have Frontpage. But why did the counter stop working? Aren't those digihost counters? I'm kind of particular about the design of the counter. Where can I see samples?

I'll set up a counter test page and get the url to you.

Have contacted Digihost and they have fixed the problem. My counter now works. Thanks anyway.

Good news!

The Spring went down earlier tonight and I got on the phone long distance to Kaylene Thaler in Seattle and after and exchange of emails she fixed the problem. I'm going to run a little fundraiser to help pay her expenses for keeping this community's software running. Sure, thanks for helping again as you have many times before, Kaylene. Terry > > It's fixed. Your license file had been trashed. I'm not > sure how it happened but it is fixed. By the way, I have > been holding onto the invoice for transfering you to this > new system to give you time to figure out your cash flow, > and to make sure everything was running smoothly. > How are things looking now? I'd like to send out the invoice > for the help to move systems, as well as the unpaid invoice > for the upgrade on your license file to the current use level. > > Kaylene > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sprin5@baldur.domainnameservers.net > > [mailto:sprin5@baldur.domainnameservers.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 3:43 PM > > To: kaylene@armidalesoftware.com > > Subject: error on spring.net > > > > > > baldur:/tmp $ bbs > > Invalid checksum > > Couldn't get license for baldur.domainnameservers.net > > baldur:/tmp $ > > > > How do I fix this Kaylene, the Spring is down. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Terry > > > > >

Gotcha Terry - I 'll try my best to help

After some more checking, it seems that you may have hit the license limit yesterday. (note the error log said you ran out of hits with about 3 minutes left to go) this is probably related to the problem with your licence file. The usage history seems to indicate that on most days you are between 3000 and 5000 hits, but occationally you get up in the 6000 + range. If you pay for the 64 user license (which you currently have), I'll consider bumping the hit limit substanially at no additional charge. Kaylene

Kaylene, that would be fantastic! Long live Yapp software and the esteemed creators. Hawaiian Hugs!

The hits are cumulative of all the users. Right now you have paid for the 16 user/ 1600 hit licence. ( I don't mind if places need a 3000 hit license for the occasional heavy day safety net). However, you are consistantly above the 3000 hit level, and periodically above 6000 which definately takes you well into the next license level. I will cushion the 6400 so that if you average around 6400, and have an occational heavy day you are still fine, but you need to pay for that level of a license. Kaylene

We 're at the larger license now thanks to the great support of Spring donors and contributors!

What time is this place on? Isn't GMT, so is the server somewhere in Ireland maybe? ;-D Let's standardize on US Eastern time. OK?

I thought I set it for Chicago time, CST, the other day.

What time is this place on? Isn't GMT, so is the server somewhere in Ireland maybe? ;-D } I noticed that too! I had to have my boards subtract 5 hours to match CT. Where is Datapipe??

New Jersey.

I'd prefer Eastern time as the standard for Drool. Of course, I know what time it is where I am.

I'd prefer Eastern time as the standard for Drool. Of course, I know what time it is where I am. } I like confusing people by using CT. I'm a midwesterner and proud of it! No coastal-centrism for me :)

I changed it and got it working, then it reverted back. Back to the drawing board. austen.com and all our servers are in the process of moving, including firth, to our own name servers. We can use our name servers to point to any server we want, as long as it has an ip address. ns1.spring.net is our primary name server now and ns2.datapipe.com is our slave, secondary name server. Keep an eye on our websites and let me know if you have any connection problems, I'd like to know sooner rather than later!

According the clock, we're somewhere in Europe again. ;-D

I'll take another run at this.

An editorial worth reading. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,248-2001320966,00.html A sample from that editorial: "We know � do we not? � that with every year that passes, every thousandth link-up to the Internet, every millionth new mobile phone, it becomes less necessary for conspirators to meet physically in one place in order to conspire. The day is coming, perhaps has already come, when terrorists will not need to gather in camps. There will be no HQs to bomb, no cells to track down, no tents to ransack. The concept of host country as geographical location for a terrorist group may already be too weak to bear weight, certainly too weak to justify revenge-bombing of the uninvolved. All we will be able to allege will be the �hospitality� or �ambiguity� shown by some governments to shadowy figures who flit in and out of their territories.

More David Kline, the onetime war correspondent in Afghanistan. I was there when the first Taliban units were seen in Afghanistan circa 1986. They were all composed of Saudi and other foreign volunteers, and few took them very seriously since they did little actual fighting against the Russians. But they quickly allied with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's Hezbi Islami group -- i.e., the fundamentalist wing of the Afghan resistance -- which was receiving the bulk of US arms and aid via Pakistani intelligence (SIS). Then, amidst the confusion and infighting within the resistance following the Soviet withdrawal, the Pak's chose to channel almost all their material support to the Taliban, who used it to gain power over a divided resistance movement and a peoiple utterly exhausted by war. I'd wager that if a free & fair referendum were conducted in Afghanistan today, the Taliban would receive fewer than 5% of the votes. Their army is largely conscript, their most fervent supporters are unsophisticated teenagers insulated in Taliban religious schools. Nothing they say or do has any relationship to historic Afghan customs & attitudes.

we're back. I just cannot post on Drool. I have no idea why...