Ramble

I've been holed up here all day but I don't have cabin fever. I love it at my place. It's night time. Outside it's drizzling. I've been building new boxes to put on the net, reading, studying and writing today. The evening news is on the tube. I feel like making a pot of coffee. I keep getting a box on my screen that says my outbox in Microsoft Mail is damaged. My outbox is empty! I got some interesting email from Elizabeth Gipps, an old friend today. And that's part of my world tonight.

I can't believe I'm actually doing this - I usually steer clear of such threads :). But then this has not been a typical day! I baked muffins for the first time in my life (my mother is slightly obsessive about anyone cooking in her kitchen, but she's w orking at the moment) and they were a success. Hey I'm doing better than the Bennet girls - they couldn't cook. I also just got rudely interrupted from my spring-browsing by a door-to-door salesman wanting to give me a voucher for 20 free meals - only I'd have to pay $30 for it! I blame Neil Finn for it all. Huh? I hear you say. Mr Finn was lead vocalist for Crowded House - my all-time favourite band who announced they were breaking up in June. Their final charity concert on the steps of the Sydney Opera House was televised he re on Sunday, and I'm am currently slowly working my way through a grieving process involving contimuous playing of all my Crowded House CDs - maybe that's why the salesman looked happy to depart. Top that people!

Tough to top. The only rule in this topic is that are no rules and that you can talk about anything and everything. Total free form.

During my one excursion outside, I acquired a stud finder and 16 yards of unbleached muslin. Prize for the most creative use of these wares.

Hope you find that stud. I'm kicked back watching the music awards on Fox. And I'm scanning in some ancient family photos of my Norwegian relatives in Minnesota. I'm building sort of a family album web page for my folks and family at Christmas. It's my life story too. Dishwalla's playing on the tube.

Moody Blues boxed set CD is playing (the poetry is a bit surreal), and I just finished making up an algebra exam to give to my students tomorrow. I have not had time to browse here since Saturday evening, and I must say that I have missed all of you. I skipped (church) choir rehearsal to relax this evening, so I suppose I feel a bit guilty. Saman, congrats on the muffins. It has been an absolute age since I used my kitchen stoves to do anything other than heat soup or cook frozen dinners! As soon as the semester is over, I will go to San Diego for a week over Christmas -- mom and one brother's family out there. I plan to take the S&S video to share w/ mom.

Moody Blues. Santana was just on the music awards getting the Century Billboard award. Only George Harrison and three others have ever won this award. Still scanning pictures and working on some website proposals. I've got 4 computers hooked up to a switchbox here and I'm flipping from one to another. Bastrop Internet Services is working on building up the new server, I popped another 20mb of memory in it last night and Scott's putting NT 4.0 on it. I don't know if it's back on line yet. Their website is http://www.bastrop.net Tomorrow, Matt is going to build up a new primary server to replace http://access.spring.com which bit the dust. I got a 2mb hard drive to replace the 1 gigger that went down. The rains have past. It's quiet out in Cedar Creek, like it always is. I wonder what Amy's doing tonight.

Amy slept for a change -- but awoke at 4 am

Good morning Amy, it's 6 am here and you've already been up for two hours, are you ever bright eyed and bushy tailed today! I'm going in to Austin today to take care of lots of business and things that are piling up. I've got to get that contract going with Texaltel (see projects) and get that machine to Matt (to replace the server that crashed) and a bunch of friends are meeting at pub on 6th street tonight. We had some interesting comments in one of the NetMeeting topics yesterday (not the one that's linked to here) and you may want to check them out in the 'apps' conference. Did you know that if you hit the 'enter' key twice that you will get a menu here if you're in a shell? But only about half the menus work so far. I'm writing shell scripts to do a whole bunch of things. Is anyone here good at writing shell scripts?

Even though I won't be online for the next 8 hours. I left my microphone aimed at my radio. So you may be able to hear me talking to other folks if you connect to me on NetMeeting.

Here are some of the pictures I scanned: http://www.spring.com/~terry/albumjpg/ And me as a baby: http://www.spring.com/~terry/albumjpg/terry2.JPG

I have to start making Christmas cookies and wrapping presents. I would like to get most of this done while my "the little angels" are in school. I will be very busy during the morning hours. Every year I say I will not go crazy but every YEAR we do. Oh w ell, "tis the seasons to be joLly, fa,la,la,la,la,la,la" * *** ***** ******* ********* *********** *** ***

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I guess half a tree is better then none. HO! HO!

HO!

I have to make it down to see the tree of lights in Zilker Park. See my comments in the food conference about my wonderful dinner tonight.

I'm having a hard time finding any holiday spirit this year. I usually enjoy gift giving and all the events but Novemeber has worn me out. Someone remind me what's it like to have a life outside of work. Donna, could you pls send a little of your xmas spirit my way? I'm in grave need. Mich

Sure Mich, no, problem it will be a "surprise"

D'Arcy or Pemberley shape cookies anyone ? Donna, you already got some gifts ? Got to get them before the usual 24-hour-prior-to-Xmas-day. And it is a major plus to have kids, they really put you in the spirit don't they. Almost no choice but to feel it. My trick for the past years, particularly when all I had was a job and friends at the other corner of the earth, was to give time to needy causes (filling baskets of food. Nothing like seeing a two/three year old receiving is only plush teddy. Even if my situation as quite change, I remained faithfull to this commitment and it makes me feel great. Sending you my warmest wishes of joy and happiness, mich.

Not a good day today. Two girls in my homeroom were making fun of my friend Tara because she is skinny and short. They called her a Balemic Monkey (I dan't know if thats spellled right). They spread nasty rumors about her for absolutly no reason. They threw her books in the garbage, STOLE a few of her belongings, and on top of all that they threw away her BIBLE!! I am sooooooo pissed off right now. We also lost our game by ONE piont. It was a good game. I am not going to get any sleep tonite becaus John has invited 4 friends to sleep over. They are all loud and abnoxious (forgive spelling).

Cat, hope you were able to give Tara some support and comfort. At a time like that one really needs one's friends. Insecure young people can be so hard on one another. (And some of them never do grow out of it and become Caroline Bingleys!)

They should have a class in grade school/high school to teach people how to to love each other

But Donna, I believe that this is what parents are for?

Cheryl sometimes that is not enough.

People can just be so nasty to each other it disgusting! Tara was hysterical all day yesterday! I feel so bad as if I've done something awful. I feel so helpless! I want to comfort her but I can't. She is too upset. Things like this have been going on since fifth grade with her! I thought people in their last year of high school would at least be mature enough not to do that sort of thing. I hope she can forgive them. I hope I can forgive them. It is times like this to where the only way I can f rgive is when I look back and remember what Jesus did for me. Even though we laughed at Him, spat on Him, beat Him, and even killed the Messiah, the son of God, He asked His Father to forgive us all. He could have just jumped off that cross and destroye d all mankind with the snap of a finger but He didn't. He did not want to die but He loved us all so much. He wanted us to be with Him in paradise when we leave our earthly bodies. We do not deserve His love, but He gives it willingly. For those who a e offended by this message I am sorry for invading your beliefs.

People can just be so nasty to each other it disgusting! Tara was hysterical all day yesterday! I feel so bad as if I've done something awful. I feel so helpless! I want to comfort her but I can't. She is too upset. Things like this have been going on since fifth grade with her! I thought people in their last year of high school would at least be mature enough not to do that sort of thing. I hope she can forgive them. I hope I can forgive them. It is times like this to where the only way I can f rgive is when I look back and remember what Jesus did for me. Even though we laughed at Him, spat on Him, beat Him, and even killed the Messiah, the son of God, He asked His Father to forgive us all. He could have just jumped off that cross and destroye d all mankind with the snap of a finger but He didn't. He did not want to die but He loved us all so much. He wanted us to be with Him in paradise when we leave our earthly bodies. We do not deserve His love, but He gives it willingly. For those who a e offended by this message I am sorry for invading your beliefs.

I thought I hit that button once. Sorry.

I spent the night waiting in a hospital emergency room....the victim is home and doing well, but meanwhile, I now feel like I am the one who need a doctor's care..... in an unrelated incident, I hit someone's car (black ice...nothing I could do)....my son 's snake is loose in the basement (Indiana Jones and I have similar feelings about vipers;I am contemplating a move to the Hilton)....I have to turn out a shepherd costume for my son by Monday or the PTA gestapo will come after me......On Sunday, I must s epherd a bunch of cub scouts carolling at a nursing home; only threats of bodily harm will get them to behave like angels(Hope the elderly won't notice the 'Batman smells' version of Jingle Bells).....my house looks like a sewer....by way of holiday decor ating,I'm thinking of stringing lights on the pumpkins that have frozen to the front porch......and friends keep wondering why I spit at the TV every time an ad for the Martha Stewart Christmas special comes on. Sorry to ramble, but just wanted to let you know it has been a typical week in the House of Grace. Ho, Ho, Ho! P.S. Amy, if you really want to find that stud, I would advise AGAINST using all 16 yards of the muslin....try working with 2 or 3 yards to make some low-cut little number that will hammer home the right message....be sure to wear that WonderBra (or if y ou don't have one, duct tape works the same kind of Wonders) ;-)

] I hit someone's car (black ice...nothing I could do)... ___ Oh Grace. How awful for you. Do treat yourself to the Hilton. Why not? And popcorn and champaign and P&P tomorrow. Can I come over?

Oh dear, Grace! Who is the "victim" and of what, if the black ice was an unrelated incident? ANd what variety of snake is loose? Fear not - in general, many snakes make very good pets and many others are of an extremely shy and retiring character and u nlikely to do anything to anyone unless provoked. When in junior high I was one of a group of kids who "volunteered" at the museum, and among our duties were, every two weeks, if there were no live mice available with which to feed the snakes, to force-f ed them hamburger, which they would not eat on their own, preferring their food alive. So two of us took on each snake, one holding the mouth open and the other poking the hamburger inside - then we had to hold its mouth shut till it swallowed the bite. The experience really stripped the poor snakes of all dignity and ability to inspire fear. Joan, too

Joan, the victim of last night's hospital escapade was my husband....he had gone to a Detroit Pistons game and was done in by a hot dog.....a piece lodged in his esophagus.......only with an ambulance, drugs, and a surgeon now behind us,and the victim fee ling much better, can I even dream of talking about the whole thing. (My husband was at the game with friends, one of whom is a thoracic surgeon and the other, a pediatrician. I'm left to wonder where they were during this whole thing!) My husband is a man of few words but because of this incident, those few are down to NONE, and he has to lecture on Monday. My son assures me that the snake missing from his collection is a milk snake...but I think this is a conspiracy to paint images of some benign creature hiding down there rather than a horrible lurking monster. (I am the only person on the block with cans of carnivorous snake food and freeze-dried crickets in her refrigerator - Woe to the guest innocently looking for a midnight snack.) Be assured that we are all now doing well.....and the HIlton says they do offer special rates for extended stays. Grace

Re: 59:31 - what a nasty and scary experience. One would have thought that in the company he was in, he'd have been in good hands! My husband is a man of few words but because of this incident, those few are down to NONE, and he has to lecture on Monday." Hopefully the swelling will have gone down at least somewhat by then. And if not, tell him to borrow a PowerBook, feed it a SimpleText textfile and let MacInTalk read it for him. [grin] I am the only person on the block with cans of carnivorous snake food and freeze-dried crickets in her refrigerator For a year or two I had siamese fighting fish, and was the only one on my block with live brine shrimp tubifex worms in my refrigerator. Equally disgusting- especially the tubifex worms! Joan, too

You beat me to it with the muslin, Grace. I'm glad you and your husband are okay.

About beating you to it with the muslin, Hilary.......I couldn't help myself; Amy gave us an opening that was 'sew' inviting. (By the way,I threw in the duct tape just to please you.) If I had been smart, I would have gotten Amy to whip up my shepherd costume with the extra yardage and send it by overnight mail. The family survived a difficult week....I was just beginning to feel optimistic about life again.....and then I went to that party last night at the home of a Martha Stewart clone...... which was enough to plunge this hapless homemaker into endless depres sion! So begins another week.

I'm off to work this morning. I had a nice weekend. We had very pleasant weather here in Austin. I started topic 82 in hopes that some of you will email folks that are interested in the Spring. If you find someone to your liking in topic 82, please email them and let them know they are most welcome here on the Spring. This would be most appreciated. I finished tape one of P&P and am part way in to tape two. I'm savoring the experience of seeing these tapes!

Who is Martha Stewart? Should I know? Thanks for the virtual ducktape! I should really use some round here - three of our 11 ducklings have died, probably at the beak of our drake. What we will do when we go away is a problem. Saw Jackson Browne and Bonnie Raitt last night. JB was enjoyable, ultra smooth, BR was WONDERFUL, great voice, fantastic blues slide electric guitar, and one raunchy lady.

Martha is the US doyenne of elegant entertaining. 'She' is an empire...does TV specials, has books by the dozen, her own magazine -Martha Stewart Living, and a catalog of upscale merchandise. People either adore her, or, as in my case, live to make fun o f her. Diane White, a columnist at the Boston Globe, has for years kept up an anti-Martha campaign. Martha parody books are a hot item for Christmas around here. Jackson Browne AND Bonnie Raitt? Wow.

quote for the day "Boring Women Have Immaculate Homes" (from my fridge magnet)

Hil, my nearly dead nap page has a Jackson Brown song as its theme song: http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/wno.html

Donna, tell your story about meeting Hornsby in the music conference, and I will tell about Mellencamp? Did we not tell each other we met them while pregnant?

Amy, do you mean the music conference here at spring? I haven't got beyond here yet. 'Running on Empty' is a great song, BTW. Sorry it is applicable to your nap page, though. Or are you happy its run its course? Just musing that its 16 years since John Lennon died. I still get sad about it. 'And so this is Chrismas, and what have you done, Another year over, a new one just begun'.... And Joni's still ricochetting around in my head: Its coming on Christmas They're cutting down trees They're putting up reindeer And singing songs of joy and peace. I wish I had a river I could skate away on....

] Just musing that its 16 years since John Lennon died. ___ I happened to be in New York just after the murder and went to the Park for the vigil. I will never for get it.

I love those old Joni Mitchell songs!!

Hilary, I am so glad that Martha Stewart has not poisoned Australia yet. If she stages a coup and completely takes over here (she decorated the White House last year on her Christma she knows her way around), Grace, Anna and the rest of us may have to co me and hide out at your place. Jane

Jane - I am in Australia :)

... at a safe distance from Martha Stewart.

I am no where near even the fringe of the nieghborhood of Christmas Cheer. I have baked no cookies, I have sent no cards, I have bought no presents, I have not decorated my house (I did decorate my piano studio for my students, but that's all.) I am up to my eyeballs in Christmas in everything I do but none of it has affected me. This is the busiest time for musicians, everyone wants special Christmas programs- I have 9 more events in addition to my regularly packed schedule in the next two weeks. I a so busy "Making Christmas Bright" for everyone else that I have none left for myself. An occupational hazard, I know, and in the past I've always been able to rise above it, but not this year. The only day I can even see a few open hours to shop is Dec . 23, and I get the heebie jeebies just thinking about entering a mall two days before Christmas! Santa, help me!

Anna, I realized after I posted my message that I was only guessing that you were within reach of Martha's clutches. That gives the rest of us another potential refulge! Cheryl, I am in a similar boat, not as busy so less of an excuse for failure to make cookies, decorate, shop. My husband is out of town this week so I am with our 2-year old--I tried to go shopping but had to chase her around, and ended up spending a few hours at the mall buying only stuff for her. But here's a shopping tip that I found out about on the Austen-L, and bought for my aunt. Blockbuster has, for $29.99, Persuasion and Sense and Sensibility packaged together. The problem is, it is probably better present for you than for anyone you know! Jane P.S. Music is such a great part of Christmas---at least you can enjoy your work!

It is funny how the weather changes here in Oulu, Finland. In the morning it is quite warm (about +2 degrees centigrade, which is warm this time of the year), and there's little water in the streets. In the evening, returning home, you have to walk through several inches (20 in worst cases) of snow, and the temperature is -15 degrees C. I have to get used to it. Usually it has been -20 and 20 inches of snow all the time. The worst point is that it is VERY slippery... Hope I'll live through Xmas, I'll visit my parents and eat well... And have a decent sauna, with my mother's healing spells. We belong to a family of witches, after all.

Real witches, Mixu? Tell. Jane, just think. Unless you are going to have more kids, it gets easier every second with the little ones. Today you can't shop. In another few months you will be able to avert your eyes for a few more seconds at a time to attend to what you need. Amy

Re 59:32 Joan, just wanted to let you know that my husband was able to croak his way through Monday's lecture and everything went well. (I had dragged him over to read your solution, he got quite a kick out of it.... and said to tell you thanks!) Grace P.S. This madhouse I live in also boasts siamese fighting fish....but we don't spoil ours with the worms you mentioned.

Re 59:38 Anna, what an inspirational fridge magnet...BORING WOMEN HAVE IMMACULATE HOMES......I'd love to put one on my fridge but I find the dirt layer keeps magnets from sticking......time to buy a new fridge, I guess!

Hil, Re: Running on Empty 59:32 (Joan I am getting to like this notation) Did the MIDI link work for you? Amy

Re: 59:51 - Grace - glad he enjoyed it. :-) If you don't have to "do" tubifex worms, you must have a reliable supply of live brine shrimp - mine were too picky to eat the feeeze-dried ones. Amy, re: 59:53 - using the numbers is better than nothing, but not nearly as good as an automatically created link! For example, "Re: Running on Empty 59:32" - "32" is not about MIDI - it's about tubifex worms. (It's too easy to copy the wrong numbers! - especially for those of us who are numerically challenged! I count myself as one of these, having scored in the 4th percentile in a math aptitude test.) I have been playing around in the redisplay box below and have discovered that to go back just to a referred-to response, typing in "32-32" will get just that one response (which is how I knew that it was tubifex worms). And that typing a negative number , say "-4", will show just the last 4 responses.

] And that typing a negative number, say "-4", will show just the last 4 responses. ___ That might be handy.

"Blockbuster has, for $29.99, Persuasion and Sense and Sensibility packaged together" Thank you! I just called my local Blockbuster and they have it - and my husband is going x-mas shopping tomorrow night. Guess what just made it to the top of my list?!

I'm busier than you can imagine, and will be till the weekend. Keep the home fires burning Amy!

Mixu, have you discovered 'austen' yet? You're in for a treat!

I lost my wallet! This must be the worst time of year to be without credit cards.

Gosh, sorry to hear this Ann. Is there any chance of retrieving it? Where did you lose it?

Oh Dear - you have my deepest sympathy. This time last year I had mine stolen. Had to stop and change everything - including house and car locks, since there were spares for both car and house in the wallet, and had no ID. Then about 3 weeks later a ma il carrier found it in the bushes in a neighboring community - everything there but the cash.

Subject: "software" Last year, my friend upgraded his GirlFriend3.1 to GirlFriendPlus1.0 (marketing name: Fiancee1.0). Recently he upgraded Fiancee1.0 to Wife1.0 and it's a memory hogger, has taken all his space; and Wife1.0 must be running before he can do anything. Althoug h he didn't ask for them, Wife1.0 came with plug-ins such as MotherInLaw and BrotherInLaw. Some features I'd like to see in the upcoming GirlFriend4.0... - A "Don't remind me again" button - Minimize button - Shutdown feature - An installshield feature so that Girlfriend4.0 can be completely uninstalled if so desired (so you don't lose cache and other objects) I tried running Girlfriend 2.0 with Girlfriend 1.0 still installed, they tried using the same I/O port and conflicted. Then I tried to uninstall Girlfriend 1.0 but it didn't have an uninstall program. I tried to unstall it by hand, but it put files in m y system directory. Another thing that sucks -- in all versions of Girlfriend that I've used is that it is totally "object orientated" and only supports hardware with gold plated contacts. ***** BUG WARNING ******** Wife 1.0 has an undocumented bug. If you try to install Mistress 1.1 before uninstalling Wife 1.0, Wife 1.0 will delete MSMoney files before doing the uninstall itself. Then Mistress 1.1 will refuse to install, claiming insufficient resources. passing along funnies for the day. Mich

Amy, #4 response. I got ahold of a stud finder once. It was recommended by Norm Abrams, I think. Well, I figured this device would soon have me in touch with one or more outstanding specimens of manhood. Unfortunately, the device was not a stud finder at all. It was a turkey caller. I guess the items got mixed up in the display; this happens at flea markets. As a turkey caller it was effective. Several real losers showed up and asked me for a date. A week later I donated the turkey caller to the Chamber of Commerce because they were holding their annual Sport-o-rama and there was to be a turkey calling contest. At the height of the contest, my ex flew in from Texas. So I know the turkey caller worked properly, when used by an expert. As for the bolt of unbleached muslin, you could make several sets of sheets. 108" X 90" for standard flat sheets, I think. That's after the hems. It's good to have plenty on hand if your stud finder works well. Keep us all posted, hear?

Amy, I could get through to click on "Running on empty" but then it just gave me coded screen messages, it didn't play anything.

I'm new on this, but after reading this I don't feel so bad. Christmas is kind of a bummer this year. Both daughers left home this summer, and the house is empty. I have a new granddaughter in Germany that I haven't got to hold yet.So am not really in t he Christmas spirit yet. My best to all of you. As for Martha Stewart, I wish she was real. No one can be that creative all the the time. I think she is a defense department robot that went haywire. Have a happy holiday to all, and to all a good nig t!

That explains Martha Stewart! No wonder.

I found a nice #7 sable brush half covered with mud under a pine tree during my walk. I think it is a present.

I called Scott Holman over at BIS and he got the dedicated ip to resolve. But that's another topic. I've been rambling around the house today, cleaning and organizing. I started today driving through the fog to a breakfast at IHOP. As they say around town, 'onward through the fog'. I feel like going out for a night time walk.

Hmm. Been pretty noisy today. Attended #1 son's play off basketball game (we won), took same son Christmas shopping (he was miserable), went to my 91 year old grammies for a real baked bean supper (we go every Saturday night), came home around 10:00 to complete chaos. #1 Daughter crying because Dad had carted her away from 3 boys & 2 girls spell TROUBLE. (She is 14 and was horribly embarassed. One of the boys had been RUDE. Dad didn't like it. Parents call. Apologies. More howling. Daughter VERY MAD not at Rude Boy, no, Mad at Dad for intefering) This is the only quiet spot in the whole house (and it's already Sunday). By the way, I agreed with Dad and not Daughter and am trying to convince her that her 'friend' owes her a BIG apology. That the whole incident is really about respect and dignity. Being a parent is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life.

Well, me and significant other were going out to eat when we decided to go by 15 year old stepson's fathers house (who is out of town) to check it out. Stepson was supposed to be spending the night at a friends house. Seems we had a idea that stepson mi ght be up to something. When we drove up to the house there were and wife unit walked in, about 50-75 adolescents scurried out of the house. The house was full of beer, liquer etc.. When it was time to go stepson had set it up where one of his friends icked him up and he left. We chased after him but to no avail. Needless to say, stepson is grounded till next year, which I do not know if that is more of a punishment for me/us or him.

I am so glad I do not have kids!

And that's what I'll have the privileged to, in about 10 years. Preparing myself, I think....

Hi, I'm new to Ramble. It's about dawn in S.F.Sunday morning the 15th. I hoping to get some leads on how to find out information about who actually makes those holiday ornaments in China, etc. or the toys. Having just watched the TV special last Sunday Mrs. Santa Claus, and the part about the kids making thetoys, I couldn't help wonder, as I went shopping yesterday. Me, I'm getting my elementary teaching credential with an emphasis in technology. If posssible, now that finals are just about over, I'd like to throw up a web page about this topic. The page would be dedicated to Iqbal Masih http://www.digitalrag.com/mirror/iqbal.html a 12 year old who was killed on Easter Sunday organizing against child labor My e-mail address is crapak@sfsu.edu. not the one that I had to register with Any leads would be appreciated. I'll try to check back on this conference but e-mailing me directly would also be appreciated since time is short and I want to have it up before next week shopping. I'll be doing research on who makes toys for leading toy makers, GUND, etc. and other importers who may or may not be using children to make the ornaments, toys. Happy Holidays Please feel free to forward this request to any appropriate list etc. Thanks for the help!

Sure, we'll be happy to let you set up your web page. Send your request to: mailto://terry@spring.com Be sure to let me know what username you would like.

Terry and Amy - there are now so many threads - that it takes a long time to review just today's messages. Lots of IO time just to see that person "A" is LOL at person B's comment yesterday. I love those comments, but there is a lot of download time inv olved here. If we get a day or two behind, we drown. Is it possible to combined threads - maybe the older ones - on similar topics so we of limited time can cover the ground a little quicker. Maybe after a topic is a week old, it could be folded in with other similar topics. We have two addiction threads, two duckfaces, several minor character threads, lots of others that could be combined so that IO time could be reduced.

The way to "combine threads" or topics as they're called, would be copy and paste a complete topic into a single response in another topic then "scribble" it. Or make it hidden unless you clicked on it. We'd have to ask Dave how to implement a scribble command or hide command or whatever you wanted to call it. It's not currently implemented. But this could be a solution. Is this what you mean?

Re; It seems that you have to be one step ahead of them. At least no one was injuried. I would definitly ground him{a year is pretty hard to enforce} and make him do chores around the house.My son said {who is 13} he should not be allowed to drive until{n o permit} he is 18 years old. I am very surprised at this punishment. He knows that most kids can't wait to drive just, like him.

I just got caught up on reading my e-mail! 37 messages deleted from the trash bin! Whoohoo!! Free at last, free at last, thank God amighty, I'm free at last! (at least until tomorrow...)

I hate what Christmas does to my hard-earned savings (perhaps dislike is a better word). I went shopping today for the major presents which I have been planning to but for weeks and ended up spending twice as much as I intended - mainly on stuff for me! I just checked my email and I got a lovely reply from the moderator of the Crowded House list I subscribe to. In my eagerness to inform the listies of an upcoming interview I mailed them, and then when it bounced back I mailed it again (and perhaps even a third time). Stupid me - it only bounced from one list member so now people around the world think I'm a hopeless newbie (I really dislike that). But Marck (the list operator) was really sweet and has made me feel a whole lot better. I think I'll stic to lurking on that list, and compensate by posting excessively here, because it's such a supporting environment :)

Amy (and all the others who are interested) Yes, a sort of. You know, the meaning here in Finland is a little bit different. It actually means "A family with strange powers", or something like that. Anyway, in my family there HAS been a real witch (I think it was my great-great-grandfather), who could, for example, make the neighbour's cows to disappear. Then there are some healers (like my mother's uncle, and, to a limited extent, my mother) and my elder little brother sometimes sees the future in his dreams. My gift is the same that my grandmother (from my mother's side, because that's the family) had: I have an inborn empathy towards people and animals. Sometimes I can predict very accurately the actions of some people, even though I don't know them well. It usually works for friends only, though. A disturbing gift, I'd say. I even saw the destruction of my 1,5 year relationship, because my girlfriend fell in love with a good friend of mine. I was the one that knew it first (even before they did), but since I've sworn I won't try to interfere with my empathy, I did nothing. Maybe it wouldn't have helped. They are married now, and happy. I think. I should visit them at Christmas... Okay, that's enough for now about the Finnish witches. I think it was no wonder that in medieval times the Finns were feared wizards. There's still some of the powers left. I know of a couple of other witch families, too.

I have a similar ability to your brother's. Sometimes, when I am about to fall asleep, I get a sort of dream, but with a difference--I know that they are predictive of the future. Before I ever went to college, or ever visited the campus, I saw a glimpse of one of the classrooms and the teacher giving a lecture; about two years later what I saw came true. It used to happen much more often when I was younger, but actually occurred t wice on the same day last week. As a physicist and a scientist this is a bit disturbing. I must conclude from personal experience that time is not linear, but folds upon itself in a way which allows information from one time to be viewed in another. I also keep in mind a line from Billy-Boy: There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. (By the way I'm 1/4 Finnish (my paternal grandmother))

In regard to the punishment for stepson, we agreed for him to be grounded till Christmas. You all are right, you must stay one step ahead of them. He being only 18 years younger than me helps as well. It only seems like yesterday that I was up to simil ar shaningans. In regards to the above, Well I have to think about whether time is not linear, but folds upon itself. Being of the logical sorts who did too much experimentation when younger, I tend to pulled between logic and experience.

Terry, just checked out the apps conference looking for help on a problem I have been having with realaudio - yikes, that conference is huge! - anyhow I kept getting a server error message when I tried to get into the realaudio section - thought I should let you know and also to ask who/where else could I turn for help with realaudio questions - specifically I am looking for a way to obtain a new copy of the old raplayer 2.x plugin for netscape/win 3.x - it seems that now that realaudio has come out with .0, they don't offer it anymore (snobs)- and 3.0 merely taunts me with bandwidth error messages on my poor old 486/14,400 set up.... I tried clicking my red shoes together and saying "there's no place like version 2.x", but it didn't work......

Hello Peoples! My computer has been used by my mother and younger brother for the past WEEK. It has been hard to be away for so long but I have comforted myself and have started to read Northangar Abbey. Who is ready for the Flu\Cold season? The Octe t (my singing group) gave a concert this morning. Yours Truely got a solo in "Emmanuel" ....in our darkness, in our bondage, child of hope we long for thee, walk among us, dwell within us, be our light and set us free, Emmanuel, Emmanuel, our God is with us now Emmanuel, the daystar of our night is sleeping on the straw, be with us now Emmanuel.....Isn't that song BEAUTIFUL! I am also singing it on Christmas Eve. Is that cool or what?

Maddog, check out http://www.realaudio.com and try our conference again. That server error happens every now and then but you'll probably be able to get in next time.

thanks - I all ready been to realaudio, of course they no longer offer 2.0 (must have partners in the modem business) - It's really a drag when a company will not support a product that is less than a year old, just because they have a newer release. It k ind of leaves people like me in the lurch if we can't go buy a new pentium to run their new product. (sounds like some other company I won't mention but whose initials are microsoft!) I will check your realaudio conference again to see if there is anyone that made a backup copy of version 2.0 they might share...

Ladies, just have to share the words of wisdom on my perpetual calendar yesterday; reading it made my day. "There's nothing wrong in the world that a sensible woman couldn't settle in an afternoon". Happy Holidays!

Amy-- have you used all your muslin? I heard there is a KKK for persons of color: they call it the Black Muslins. Cat-- I hope your friend Tara is doing okay and you are feeling better about that ugly situation. Maybe the kids who stole Tara's Bible will peek inside and find something helpful. I find it very hard to pray for people who are mean to me, or to others. B ut when I am able to, it is liberating. Cheryl-- we have something in common. I teach computer stuff a lot these days, but I have not been able to give up teaching piano. But hey, keyboards is keyboards, hmmm? I like to think about how the piano was developed by Bart. Cristofori, whose huge tro uble was perfecting the escapement. But they said it couldn't be done-- you couldn't have a keyboard instrument that you could control, as to amplitude or loudness, by the way you struck the keys! Then many years later the whole thing was repeated from Mo g on, with electronic keyboards finally becoming polyphonic and TOUCH RESPONSIVE. Wow! I think Bach would have been nuts about electronic music stuff. Joyous holidays, all!

Terry - within 24 hours of posting my plea about my realaudio problems in your apps conference, I have been in contact with a very fine dude named David Bowles who searched/found and mailed me a new copy of version 2.0! I bow long and low to him, you, and The Spring for making this possible - I never fail to be in awe of the power of the net and the kindness of the people I have met here. peace and joy

I can't believe Christmas is only 3 days away!

I am so bored I changed the curtains in my kitchen. Just a few things to wrap and a couple of cookies to bake. Hope everyone has most of their shopping done because I know I hate fighting the crowds. that must be the reason why it is so quite around here . Merry Christmas.

I know that some of my friends here have been concerned about me and my complete and utter lack of Christmas spirit. I have had a few glimpses of it this past week; last Thursday when I attended the Jr. High School Band Concert and watched 11 of my piano or handbell kids play their band instruments in public for the first time, and again at my students Christmas Piano Recital, all of them dressed up in their Sunday best and playing all the old favorites! This morning my church choir offered our Annual Christmas Cantata and I felt the closest to Christmas that I have been, singing the wonderful words about our Lord choosing to become one of us to save us. I even came home and did some decorating! Tomorro w I am spending the day baking, for who can be a Grinch when eating Grandma's famous Christmas cookies! I am very thankful this Christmas for all the new friends I have found here. God bless you all!

God Bless You Merry Gentlepeople at this festive time. I'm so pleased to have met all of the wonderful people who make up the growing band of Austenites. I am especially thankful to Amy and Terry for their time, patience and perseverance, and of course their server space.

Hi Terry. Hmm. Suspected we had similar ancestry. Pretty nice place! Soon on way to bar to see friends before all take off for xmas. Fill myself with liquid "charm and intelligence." Then probably enter cyberspace - again. Merry holidays to all from Frisco! Lars

You're Norwegian Lars?

Today, my sister and I trekked out into the blizzard we are experiencing here in Minneapolis and went to what locals refer to as the Mega-Mall, also known, more formally, as the Mall of America--the largest shopping mall in the United States (there is a larger one in Edminton Canada). I was pleasently suprised to find that the mall wasn't very crowded--on this Christmas-Eve Eve. Perhaps even hearty Minnesotans were afraid to wade through the snow and ice to go shopping (thank God for 4-WD!). But I believe it is more likely that they were all hanging their heads in shame after the trouncing the Vikings took yesterday at the hands of the Green Bay Packers 38-10 (GO PACK!!!). Your Eternal Cheesehead--Ann

Well, here in Austin its a balmy 60-70 degrees. Being of the male persuasion, I find myself compelled to wait till the last 2-3 days to shop, so I was one of the many hurried masses going madly from place to place (thank god for Valium and relaxation tap es) trying to find that perfect gift within my price range. Need a John Madden Super Nintendo ASAP, stepson can't have all clothes. And all the while trying what this years Christmas symbolizes to me. But more on that later, Wallmart is open 24 hours.. .

So, Ann, you're one of those folks we see on tv with face painted green and a big block of cheese mounted atop their heads?

I got a cheesehead for Christmas!

Can we see a picture of you wearing a cheesehead on your web page?

I'll work on it! Thanks Terry for giving me a home page. It's up and running--and extremely boring at the moment (www.spring.com/~anneh/). It's basically all of my bookmarks. I'll work on making it more interesting. My sister has a scanner and said she will scan whatever I want, but she lives in California, about to embark on a three week trip to Italy, so it will be a while before any cheesehead pictures could possibly appear.

I have a scanner too, if anyone needs to mail pictures to me for their webpage.

Hey Ann, I'm majorly bummed out that you didn't include your very own graphic that I made just for you, on your webpage. I spent five minutes looking for the quote and a whole fifteen minutes slaving over a hot Photoshop to make the graphic, so I think i t's the least you could do...

The cheesehead shot?

Check out my HTML Tags Tutorial: www.spring.com/~anneh/tagsaaaa.html Any advice on changes or additions are very welcome. I do like my graphic Henry. I will put it up.

Thanks Ann for so pleasantly reminding me of why I don't live in Minnesota anymore, and why visiting Minnesota is much more pleasant in the summertime. The Mall of America is awesome, and so close to the airport when I come for those summer visits. Happ y New (and hopefully warmer) Year!

Careful with those tranks, now. Say, have you seen this new product that contains tranks and aspertame? It's called EqualLibrium. Hope you made it back safely from the bar where you stocked up on charm, etc. I have been doing extensive research into the construction of bottles, there being a major container maker in my town. I have discovered that most bottlenecks are at the t op. Tried to explain this to my managing editor; he is not convinced. Does your research bear out my conclusions, Lars? Or do we need to continue gathering data, replicating our results? When we have enough data, will we be able to perform analyses and re ort our findings?

My girlfriend and I took my 3 kids and her eldest daughter out for Pizza.Of course they always bring the pitcher of soda to soon.By the time the pizza came it was all gone.I had some left in my cup and eldest daughter had some left in hers. When my kids a re thristy watch out for your drink. My six year old says "Hey Gee" your not drinking your soda""How come"? "May I please have some" she said "Sure". His reply was "thanks" "and If you don't mind I'll take the straw too".It was done in the politest manner for a six year old don't ya think.We all jumped on the poor kid Scotty! It was funny.Then they had to play the jukebox"Grandma Got Ran Over by a Raindeer" it was hilarous.They all started singing. This is why I don't go out very much. What a scene???

WOW, first time i came to this area, but then again i haven't been around in a while....had to read all 108 entries as new.....what an interesting bunch of comments, statements, conversations, questions & answers. Absolutely loved it, sure wish this wa s an open chat..... I would definitely like to talk to many of you regularly........ Terry have you thought about putting in a chat area.......??????????

We have a chat room. You can get to this from the link on the main Austen Conference page. It is the Pemberley Drawing Room: http://www.worldrch.com/cgibin/Chat/nph-chat.cgi

Good to see you coming around again TJ. One of these times I'm gonna make it for darts at the tavern down in Bastrop. Let me know when the next one is going to be ok? We can get our own chat room if folks want it. The kind Pemberly folks have offered us their software if we want it. It's not ichat, but it's not bad stuff.

from the looks of the stuff on the ramble page, it might be a good idea to have our own chat area.......at least see if anyone else has an interest.......but right now I think I'll check out the Pemberly Drawing Room.........Paul, yea it is nice to be bac k......do you have anything to do the Bastrop Internet Services??????.......do you know Daryl Kouba??????......hope to see you on Thursday (darts)...........

I have two servers on the bastrop.net. I can't get a hold of the kid who does their web page. I'm looking for someone in the Bastrop area, a high school kid would be ok, who can work part time at the Spring installing networks, configuring servers, and doing data entry work. I have a plan to make the Spring a world class web site and I am starting to sense an organization forming. The folks in the Austen conference are really pitching in and helping out and starting to take part in some website projects. But I need some help locally now.

There are a group of us (about 10) who have formed a music group here at work to exercise our mutual love of music. Twice a month, we reserve a conference room, bring in our instruments and meet together during lunch hour. I play piano and keyboard (at work) and sing, all just a little and very ill, indeed. But, it is something else that affords me an extraordinary source of pleasure (like Jane Austen). We play and sing lots of different kinds of music because we have different tastes which include popular, country, standards, classical. We haven't had the nerve to attempt jazz, yet. One of the pieces that we do frequently is Handel's Largo from "Xerxe s which is the piece that Mary sings in P&P2 (at the Netherfield Ball, I think). For the past couple of years, we have hosted a Christmas sing-along where we play and sing holiday music in the cafeteria and invite the entire building to join us. It has been well received. Today, I ran into Karen, who is a fellow music group member. As we were chatting, we discovered a mutual love of P&P and P&P2. I'm so excited!! I think that I can create yet another addict. Now, besides you wonderful internet friends, I will be able to talk about Jane Austen face to face with Karen at work and with my friend Barbra after working hours. 1997 is going to be great!!! Happy New Year to you all !!!

Linda, That music group sounds really delightful. I recently found out that a woman who works where I do is a longtime committed lurker to this board. She didn't recognize me from my postings, but we found out by accident that we both like this place. And the significant other of a man I work with is a frequent visitor to Firthdom, and has a copy of The Making of P&P that she will lend me. Small world, indeed. Jane

Well, here it is New Year's Eve, and the state of the northern part of the state (CA) could be better. The Russian River is now 2 feet above flood stage and the people up there have been told to evacuate or prepare to be stranded. So much for the ir New Year's Eve plans... While the rain has not been excessive in my immediate neighborhood, 3 of our local reservoirs are full-up and spilling over their dams, and our entire TV cable system has "broken" somewhere and they don't yet know where or why. Before it broke we saw a few seconds of the New Year's fireworks in Sidney Harbour - and I think I spotted Ian waving at the camera. Happy New Year, all!

Rain has been excessive here {in PA.} to Joan. We had a flood in the Summer of 1972. Are you worried about flooding? The weather man said we only had more rain "100" years ago. Now that is very strange.

I am not concerned for my own estate being flooded, but it is sad to see it happening to our neighbors to the north again - they got it badly in 1986 and again in 1995, and here they go again... Many vineyards are already under 3 to 4 feet of wate r...

Heading into 1997 in the Last Frontier, our weather isn't threatening just darn inconvenient. Forecast for tonight is 40-45 below, extended forecast thru sunday is 30-60 below. On the plus side, tomorrow we break the 4 hour mark of available daylight! Had the truck plugged in all afternoon so it would start tonight, now the question is how long I can stay out before it freezes up. A happy and peaceful 1997 to all!

This all makes Boston's 20 degrees F. and 1 inch of snow seem so anemic. I wish you all a more pleasant '97.

On the subject of one in a hundred year rainfalls; about 5 years ago sydney had the third of 3 one in a hundred year rains in 4 years - ain't statistics wonderful. In the ritzy part of town a Jaguar was swept down the street and deposited on top of someo ne's Mercedes; truly impressive rain. Still, at least it was summer, so warm, if wet. I hope those in need dry out soon.

It is warm (relatively speaking) though wet here - it is pouring as I type yet at almost 3 AM it is only 64 F outside. Pineapple express for sure!

Austin's sixth street partied down last night and I got a video of myself at the stroke of midnight on the Springs' main page. I started out at the KOOP party at Armageddon and ended up with the masses on Sixth, watching the big silver start get hoisted by a huge crane. Now, I'm sitting in Cedar Creek with my coffee and toast. Happy New Year everyone!

For all of you suffering through some absolutely awful winter weather, we in southern California are busy taking good care of all the truly nice weather for you and would be vastly happy to send it your way at any time convenient!

Mary, my visiting daughter would greatly appreciate it if you would send your truly nice weather to Seattle. She's heading back there tomorrow and would like to return to decent weather!;-)

and would be vastly happy to send it your way at any time convenient! Please do not stand on ceremony or await an invitation! Any time at all would be convenient! Stepping on my lawn sounds and feels like treading on saturated sponges. :-(

Hi Terry, we still cannot access news.prismnet.com for quite some time after you switch from iamerica.net. It seems like prismnet did not open usenet access for our IP addresses. Hope you can check this matter and happy new year.

I'll look into it Ted. Thanks.

Terry, if prismnet granted us usenet access, we can use tin to access the usenet news, but you have to do (at shell prompt): rm /etc/nntpserver ; echo news.prismnet.com > /etc/nntpserver so all of us can access the news. Hope it helps.

It's just after 9 pm here in South Florida, and I'm recovering from a day at work that can best be described as, "OK, folks, the holidays are over." Yikes. I'm an editor, learning a new city and looking for a new circle of friends. I just found the Spring yesterday -- not to mention the Austen group. I suspect I've found some kindred spirits.

Where did you come from Lilah? What kind of editor?

Amy, I moved here from Hoboken, N J, where I lived for a number of years, working in Manhattan and New Jersey as a newspaper editor. I do the same thing here, for a group of small specialty papers.

Terry, you didn't say that this topic was in multiple Conferences! I just thought I'd visit the Cultures Conference and 'lo what did I see but this topis! Tch tch!

]topic was in multiple Conferences! That's been apparent from the postings from "strangers" for some time. It's also in porch

When you do a listing of topics, it states that it's a "linked topic".

It also states "linked item" every time you read new stuff in it right at the top of the topic. On future "linked topics" I'll post a note that they are linked in the intro or in one of the responses to make this clear.

Thanks Terry! Will be much appreciated. From within the Austen Conference this time.

_______________________________________________________ "Why did the chicken cross the road?" ----------------------------------------------------- Plato: For the greater good. Karl Marx: It was a historical inevitability. Thomas de Torquemada: Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I'll find out. Timothy Leary: Because that's the only kind of trip the Establishment would let it take. Douglas Adams: Forty-two. Nietzsche: Because if you gaze too long across the Road, the Road gazes also across you. Oliver North: National Security was at stake. Carl Jung: The confluence of events in the cultural gestalt necessitated that individual chickens cross roads at this historical juncture, and therefore synchronicitously brought such occurrences into being. Jean-Paul Sartre: In order to act in good faith and be true to itself, the chicken found it necessary to cross the road. Ludwig Wittgenstein: The possibility of "crossing" was encoded into the objects "chicken" and "road," and circumstances came into being which caused the actualization of this potential occurrence. Albert Einstein: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road crossed the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. Aristotle: To actualize its potential. Buddha: If you ask this question, you deny your own chicken-nature. Salvador Dali: The Fish. Darwin: It was the logical next step after coming down from the trees. Emily Dickinson: Because it could not stop for death. Epicurus: For fun. Ralph Waldo Emerson: It didn't cross the road; it transcended it. Johann Friedrich von Goethe: The eternal hen-principle made it do it. Ernest Hemingway: To die. In the rain. Werner Heisenberg: We are not sure which side of the road the chicken was on, but it was moving very fast. David Hume: Out of custom and habit. Saddam Hussein: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. Jack Nicholson: 'cause it (censored) wanted to. That's the (censored) reason. Pyrrho the Skeptic: What road? Ronald Reagan: I forget. John Sununu: The Air Force was only too happy to provide the transportation, so quite understandably the chicken availed himself of the opportunity. The Sphinx: You tell me. Sappho: Due to the loveliness of the hen on the other side, more fair than all of Hellas' fine armies. Henry David Thoreau: To live deliberately ... and suck all the marrow out of life. Mark Twain: The news of its crossing has been greatly exaggerated. Stephen Jay Gould: It is possible that there is a sociobiological explanation for it, but we have been deluged in recent years with sociobiological stories despite the fact that we have little direct evidence about the genetics of behavior, and we do not know how to obtain it for the specific behaviors that figure most prominently in sociobiological speculation. Joseph Stalin: I don't care. Catch it. Crack its eggs to make my omlette. Captain James T. Kirk: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. Machiavelli: So that its subjects will view it with admiration, as a chicken which has the daring and courage to boldly cross the road, but also with fear, for whom among them has the strength to contend with such a paragon of avian virtue? In such a manner is the princely chicken's dominion maintained. Hippocrates: Because of an excess of pleghm in its pancreas. Andersen Consultant: Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was threatening its dominant market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create and develop the competencies required for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model (PIM) Andersen helped the chicken use its skills, methodologies, knowledge capital and experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and technology in support of its overall strategy within a Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross-spectrum of road analysts and best chickens along with Andersen consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the implicit goals of delivering and successfully architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park like setting enabling and creating an impactful environment which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear, and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission, vision, and core values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total business integration solution. Andersen Consulting helped the chicken change to become more successful. Johnny Cochran: The chicken didn't cross the road. It was planted there by the police! Rodney King: Why can't the chicken just cross the road?

ROFLOL!!!

Anna: "ROFLOL!!!" Me Too!!! :-)

There's a slightly different collection linked to from near the end of the Jane Austen jokes file at http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/austt10j.html ; this version includes a Pride and Prejudice version of the chicken joke...

Oh dear... Oh dear... I have to wipe my eyes now to resume my viewing.

Another ROFLOL. With your permission, may I e-mail this to my children - they love these things and I usually get jokes from them.

Oh, Inko. No permission required. I am on a list of one of those infamous net jokers. These things just get passed around. Usually the things she sends are stupid, but if I get an LOL from any of them as I did with this, I shall put them up.

SAY CHEESE!!! WE ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL!!!

Ann - I am happy for you. and for all those barechested men in the stands the announcers kept talking about. what a way to call the rest of us sissies.

There's joy in cheeshead land.

]There's joy in cheeshead land. Not to mention Beantown!

Congratulations Ann (Cheesehead) and Myretta (Beantowner) - it's nice to see some different teams in the Superbowl. Now - are you two going to have a bet on the outcome????;-)

Alright, the beaner and the cheeshead toe to toe.

Yummmm, does this mean that at all the Super Bowl parties -- Bean dip and Cheese Doritos will be served?

Woo-hoo, Ann...maybe it will help you forget last year ? ;)

BTW, people...only a month until catchers and pitchers report to Spring Training. Can't wait. Go Braves.

PLEASE, Mrs. Bennet, no sports, I BEG you! :-(

That's why I put it in the ramble topic, Joan. It is supposed to be for anything one might want to say. As for me, though I will be cheering for Green Bay, I have absolutely no faith in the team and fully expect them to choke.

Ann, have a little faith! ;) --- Joan, sports can be a very welcome diversion from computers, I must say...I hope to be able to make at least one Giants-Braves series at the 'Stick (okay, 3-Com!) this year...anybody else out there like baseball? ANYBODY???!!!

Kali: anybody else out there like baseball? ANYBODY???!!! Kali, I'm a big Detroit Tigers fan, growing up in Michigan it was a part of my childhood training just like ice skating and mosquito slapping! I spent many happy days at Tiger Stadium as a child...can't believe they're going to tear down that beautiful o ld stadium! :-(

I grew up a Cardinals fan. St. Louis. Busch Stadium. Joe Garagiola, Harry Carey, Jack Buck and Tim McCarver used to broadcast the games on KMOX.

Harry Caray...sigh...I've grown up on Skip Caray... Yay for you guys...baseball lives! And yes, Cheryl...stadiumwrecking is a crying shame...I had the displeasure of seeing Comiskey in varying degrees of demolition whilst the new Comiskey was constructed...almost like the life was being sucked out of the old stadium and being pumped into the new...

Congratulations Ann or should I say Slart? So your team is in the final. Well, the beleaguered Australian One Day Cricket Team has missed out on the World Series Cricket Finals for the first time in 17 years! And on top of that is the New South Wales Shield Team losing very badly to Western Australia, in their Sheffield Shield match at the Sydney Cricket Ground. Now let me tell yo all that when NSW Cricket is strong, Australia is strong! So come on NSW and Come On Aussie! Oh, Cheryl, now if you would really like to see some venerable old grounds, come and see our grand stands at our Cricket Grounds!

I drove by some folks playing cricket in Austin the other day. Will you please start a cricket topic in the sports conference Ian?

If you'd like me too, Terry! BTW, what are you doing up at this hour?!? Now if you were in Australia... :-)

I had to come in to work early today because we're facing an ice storm and the company I work for is on a crash project and need everyone they can to be here. I'm not normally up at this hour. Have you seen that austen is the feature on the Spring's main page today? If I were in Australia I'd probably be warmer now.

Another connection, Cheryl. I grew up as a Tiger fan too. Stormin' Norman Cash, Al Kaline (saw him hit a grand slam once), my mother's heartthrob, Rocky Colavito (sp?) And Terry, you lived in St. Louis? Me from 76-80. End of the Lou Brock days, hot muggy afternoons in left field. Attended the 7th game of the 80 world series.

Kali, gang; live in Milwaukee, and my hubby was one of the many enjoying themselves at 1 degree above zero yesterday (although I hope, I very much hope, NOT one of the barechested ones! :) ) Anyway, baseball is my game; started as a Braves fan (yes, here in Milwaukee when I was just a sprig), have become a Brewers fan. I can enjoy any baseball game; when we vacation outside of Duluth in the summer we go to Duluth Dukes games; fabulous fun, e specially if the San Diego chicken is visiting.

i've got to know how to make a good pizza any ideas????????

Must have a stone, Yair. That is the first thing -- unless you are doing deep disih. Amy Who Used to Live in Chicago

Amy: Another connection, Cheryl. I grew up as a Tiger fan too. Stormin' Norman Cash, Al Kaline (saw him hit a grand slam once), my mother's heartthrob, Rocky Colavito (sp?) Cool, Amy...I still look back on my 9th birthday as very special...I spent it with my Mom at Tiger Stadium watching a Twi-Night Double header against the hated Yankees...Tigers won both games, Al Kaline hit a homer in one, Mickey Lolich got a one-hitter i n the other and the Tigers went on to win the Series that year ('68,of course, not '84!) Can still sing the Tiger fight song I learned in 4th grade..."Sock it to 'em Tigers, show 'em how to play...)

Not 'Teach me tiger', Cheryl????

We're all behind our baseball team. Go get em tigers. Right? Go get em, Detroit Tigers. Go get em Tigers!

I like the Saint Paul Saints--Northern League team that put the fun back into going to see baseball games. They are a total hoot. (Daryl Strawberry slept here)

Terry, Amy -- St. Louis is my home town. I remember seeing Stan Musial play at old Sportsman's Park (I was a tiny child, OK?) There ARE no announcers to compare with Jack Buck and Harry Caray describing the game on a hot August night on KMOX -- "this is t he Cardinal baseball network."

Yay! More baseball fans! Wow, Mari...you're an even older Bravie than I am...I got hooked back in the eighties, when they still sucked...a great time to love baseball, b/c every game was personal. Fay Vincent was even threatening to review our status as an Atlanta team! I still have my Dale Murphy baseball card collection...over 300 cards, including his two rookie cards and one I got autographed. --- Good pizza? Zachary's stuffed is the best...they make their dough with beer and put the sauce on top and the toppings inside (go figure)...unfortunately, you can only get Zack's in Oakland and Berkeley...:(

Talking, pizza : fav : thin crust with pesto, goat cheese, green and black olives, onions, prosciutto and walnuts. Other one is curried chicken pizza If you're in the vicinity of Montreal, go or order at Pizzedelic.

Another Braves fan here! The Murph was great, also BRUUUUCE Benedict and Jeff Treadway and Lonnie Smith (so what if he fell for the deke--they should have been able to get him home). Go Braves!!!

LLohr (lilah)''There ARE no announcers to compare with Jack Buck and Harry Caray describing the game on a hot August night on KMOX -- "this is the Cardinal baseball network."'' Lilah, I beg to differ; there is nothing like driving home from your summer vacation and enjoying Bob Uecker announcing the Sunday afternoon Brewer's game...''Get up..Get up.. Get outta here....''

Mari, I'd just about settle for any announcer describing any game...are football and basketball seasons over yet???

I grew up in Minnesota BEFORE the Twins and the Vikes, so am thrilled the 'Pack is Back'. Saw my first major league game in Tiger (then Briggs) Stadium because that's one of the things we always did when we visited our Detroit relatives. Great memories. .are they really going to tear that wonderful stadium down, can't believe it.

Moved to collapse topics: Tue, Jan 14, 1997 (10:14) | Laura McCarthy (LauraM) Sorry, but I must do this. GO PATS!!!!!!! JAMBALYA YA JAMBALAYA YA.... Think of me doing a really stupid dance right now. 4 responses total.

Yep, Meggin...Lonnie Smith remains my all-time favorite left-fielder. And Bruce one of my favorite catchers...and Jeff Treadway my favorite second-baseman. BTW, I have one of Jeffy's broken bats...something only the biggest fan would want, considering h is relative obscurity! ;) Oh, and Jeff Blauser is also a god...because he's a Californian...;)

Oh, and Laura...I support your Patriot Victory Topic... :::) Solidarity among the sportsfans!

Cheryl and Amy- how could you forget Denny Maclean? And not a bad piano player for a jock. What I remember best about Tiger stadium was the smell of the Wonder bread factory on the way in, cruising the Lodge with the windows down. And CKLW on the AM radio.

Bruce: Cheryl and Amy- how could you forget Denny Maclean? Bruce! Another Michigander has come out of the closet! ;-) I have not forgot Dennt McClain, they could not have won the '68 Series without him! But it was Lolich who won the game I was describing. ;-) I hadn't thought of the Wonder Bread factory in ye ars! Thanks for the reminder! Fresh bread--what a wonderful smell!

Nice collapse Amy :-)

] forget Denny Maclean? __ Hey Bruce. Another link. Tigers and Bob Seger. Nice combo. Denny MaClean, the million dollar arm with the 10 cent attitude. re the Lodge: kid story about that another time. Where did you guys grow up? Me, in Mt. Pleasant, but I worked in Detroit for a couple of years right out of college (Central Michigan)

We have a Tiger Wood topic in sports by the way, the sports conference here.

Did I say we had a sports topic here? I believe a Pats topic would be supportablee there, my dear.

I meant of course, sports *conference*. Imagine, an entire conference devoted to sports and austenites are more than welcome to elucidate on any topic there.

Amy: Where did you guys grow up? A Michigan Revival Meeting, eh? ;-) I grew up in Pontiac, a blue collar factory town, about 1/2 mile from the Fischer Body plant...walked many a picket line in my youth...;-)

Grew up in Albany, New York.............but left in 73'.

And for the favorite pizza person........ i found that it you use the pilsbury pizza dough it is pretty good, brush it with olive oil and heat it up first with nothing on it for about 3 to 5 minutesR 350 DEGREES then add just all fresh ingrediants......fresh tomatoes, parley, basil, oregano, thyme and ground pepper (both red and black).....Crushed red pepper is ok if you cannot find whole to grind..... then chopped onions, green and red peppers, sliced mushrooms..... then add a fresh ground italian sausage or a good hard sliced peperoni cover with a mixture of cheeses 50% shredded mozzerella and the other 50% a mixture of romano, parmasian, provalone and white chedder return to oven until cheese is melted........

thanks tj but after having second thoughts about it i think i'll keep on letting dominos do the hard work. does anyone know anything about bangkok thailand i'm going to go there and i can realy use some guiding .

Kali, send me a splinter sometime! :)

You got it, Meggin! :)

Boy am I an outsider here! Never seen a game of baseball or whatever you're talking of with such eagerness.( Small chance in Sweden .) Have copied and saved those two delicious sounding pizza variations, though. And thanks Hilary for Tiger memento...

Come visit, Ann2, and we'll go to a game...

It was thirty years ago that we all met. Five very silly fourteen year old girls. Together we practiced for womanhood. Clothes, make-up, and boys. Little did we know that what really prepared us for the future was the simple act of being together. We would talk deep into the night. Eating junk food and chocolate, sipping sodas. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our cheeks. We grew up together, the five of us. Transforming from girls to young women. We ran gaily then. Each of us, one by one meeting, falling in love, and marrying our soul-mates. Those years were filled with bridal showers, weddings, baby showers, and chil d-birth. After each milestone we would gather, talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and chocolate, sipping wine. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears. Always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our heeks. We went head-strong into our thirties. Each developing a new found independence and calmness which comes when you have finally begun to feel comfortable with yourself. Our careers were established, our children growing, and all five marriages still stro ng. We had all done our jobs well. It was no problem to leave our families for short periods of time. It was then that we began our "Enchanted April" weekends. Off to the mountains or the ocean. Talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and choc late, sipping wine. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears. Always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our cheeks. Our thirties began to come to a close. Each time that we would meet, we would sound like a Jane Austen novel -- "How is your mother?" "How is your father?" -- this would follow with tales of illnesses and hospitals. When or how our chain calls started, I don't really remember. It was a instinctive reaction designed so that the sufferer would not have to repeat their story more than once. One would call the other, each in turn. "One of us is hurting" we would tell the next until we made a complete cir le. Again, we would gather. Talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and chocolate, sipping wine. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears. Always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our cheeks. One by one our parents began to leave us. We held hands and our breath and tip-toed into our forties. We now gathered most often at our parent's funerals. Although our husbands tried to comfort us, it was the five of us that we would seek. Talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and cho colate, sipping wine. We spoke of our hopes, dreams, and fears. Always starting so seriously and always ending in laughter with tears running down our cheeks. Just this week another mile-stone has occurred. One of us became a widow. How can this be? Up until this moment, we all still remained with our one and only husbands. How lucky we were -- how well we choose -- how smug we were -- how fearful we are. Did we never think that this type of tragedy would happen? All along the chain call, each one said the same thing, "I am so scared. We now must face the facts. There will be a time when one by one we will start loosing each other." Tomarrow we will bury her husband. After the sevices, when everyone else leaves, we will remain. Talking deep into the night. Eating junk food and chocolate, sipping wine. Speaking of our hopes, dreams, and fears. We will start out quite serious and somehow end laughing. Funny how there will still be tears enough to run down our cheeks. Thank you for letting me ramble.

Oh, Candace - that is absolutely beautiful. Now where is that box of tissue! Please do share this with your five-some, too.

Candace..........THANKS

Candace, it should really be the other way around....I thank you for letting me follow your rambling. I feel an ache in my throat and my eyes are a bit dim. This past autume my mother died and I miss her so. This life is ours to handle with care, and the way you and your friends do it together is just.... Oddly, I find it comforting that it is the same for us whoever or whereever... We must part from the one's we love. Better think of it now and then...

Candace -- what a beautiful "ramble" on the blessings of friends. Our thoughts are with you and your friends as you pass another milestone. (And my prayers are with your one friend who is going through this painful time.) Thank you for wanting to share this w/ us.

Thank you Candace for rambling and sharing so beautifully. When you think of the sadness, though, also consider the blessings of having five such good friends. It's so rare that friends can stay together through all the stages of their lives.

Candace, that was moving, eloquent and beautiful. How lucky you are to have such friends to see each other through the inevitabilities of life. I lost my beloved father in August; watched my mom struggle with the transition into widowhood. That's when I saw the rituals and the resulting strength that a group of women friends give to each other, and that's when I realized I truly believe in a sisterhood. Thanks for sharing with us.

Candace, my father died last week. The first person I really talked to about it was my best friend--her father died 18 months ago. We've been best buddy's since jr. high--a long time ago. Yet she still knows me better than anyone else, despite the fact that we now live miles apart. How lucky you are to have a group of friends to help support each other in time of need. No one else could make me laugh last week, but my friend Kathy could. That is what best friends are for.

Everyone, I hate to break the sisterly mood created by Candace's lovely ramble, but it was recently revealed that our own Saman just got into medical school! Congratulations...

Meggin, I am so sorry. Yours and Candace's story make me even more thankful my own mother is better all the time -- just learned two days ago that a heart oblation procedure done a few weeks ago had been successful even though at the time the doctors pron ounced it a failure. S'man, I am very very happy for you. I know how much you wanted this. You deserve it.

"...our own Saman just got into medical school! Congratulations... " WOW This is so exciting - where will you do to school!!

Way to go Saman!! I'm so sorry. Margaret.

My sympathies, Margaret, and all others who have recently lost family members or friends. It's a difficult time, I know, when good friends are invaluable. Congratulations, Saman! Does this mean we'll now have an "ER" topic here??

Candace, that is one of the most eloquent, touching ramblings I have experienced. I have a photo in my family album of a group of women I know who match this description very closely. I miss having a similar relationship in my own life and it is touching to hear about it in anothers life. That's the photo on the left of the women I spoke, that's Ann Evans the bride, ex-mayor of Davis California who married a delightful Englishman named David. They are still living in Davis, CA as far as a I know. These women all grew up together. I'm very glad our week long task to put out the new Webstalker has been completed and the product is now being shipped out to reviewers and beta testers. This is the first free moment I've had in well over a week. I'm hoping to get together with the Unix team and the folks who inhabit this community today and tomorrow before I go back to the intense development effort I'm involved in right now. I'm sitting in my office/master bedroom in Cedar Creek looking out over the woods and pastures, feeling good. I've got the Wide World of Sports Ice Skating on the tube, this is one of the most esthetic and relaxing sports to watch. (more about this in a future ice skating topic in the sports conference). Ekaterina Gordeeva is skating now, what a fine skater.

Margaret, please accept my sympathy. ] it was recently revealed that our own Saman just got into medical school! That's great Saman, will you be starting this year? You must be really busy as well as please. I hope you'll still be able to join us occaisionally if y ou have to relocate. Amy, I'm really glad to hear your mother is improving.

Happy birthday Kathleen Elder!

Margaret, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Margaret - I am very sorry you lost your father. Hope you and the rest of your family ware getting through this.

Thank you to everyone for the responses to my essay. In truth, what I really thank you for is this wonderful forum and all my wonderful cyber friends. This was truly the best therapy. To Margaret -- I am so sorry for your loss. I lost my own father five years ago. I know exactly what you feel. Peace be with you all.

Thanks to all for the expressions of sympathy. You have touched my heart.

Margaret, otan osaa, as they say here in Finland. It could roughly be translated as "I take a piece of your sorrow and carry it with me", and means that I am very, very sorry about your father. Keep on smiling, though. Despite many things the world still is a beautiful place.

otan osaa __ That is lovely Mixu

Terry, figure skating ranks right along with P&P on my list of things I really enjoy. Saturday the 'Stars on Ice' were in town and a group of 8 of us went to dinner and the show. The evening flew by and it is difficult to pick out the best, but Ecaterina's numbers were very special. Torvil and Dean were an awesome presence in the show. Hope some of the other contributors to this board have the opportunity to see this wonderful production. And thanks to you Terry for providing this great home for all f us.

Terry, figure skating ranks right along with P&P on my list of things I really enjoy. Saturday the 'Stars on Ice' were in town and a group of 8 of us went to dinner and the show. The evening flew by and it is difficult to pick out the best, but Ecaterina's numbers were very special. Torvil and Dean were an awesome presence in the show. Hope some of the other contributors to this board have the opportunity to see this wonderful production. And thanks to you Terry for providing this great home for all f us.

Oops, sorry for the extra post.

I would kill (well almost) to see Torvil and Dean in person!

Candace, let me tell you how very deeply touched I was by your "ramble", frienship, family and the act of sharing is at the core of the soul. Margaret, accept these thoughts of peace. Loosing someone close, whether one who's life as been a long fulfilled road or, has we experienced last week, loosing a little one who had so much to experience, is never easy. Let us rejoyce in the happiness of their newfound home/salvation. Amy, all my wishes of health for your mother.

Amy, I am glad you liked the expression. I think the reason why we have "otan osaa" is because if we said "Olen pahoillani" (meaning "I am sorry") it would mean that I did the thing I am sorry for. Anyway, I like "otan osaa" myself. It even sounds nice. I just happen to love Finnish, and feel myself very fortunate that I have it as a 1st language.

Mixu, I greatlly appreciate the kind sentiment expressed by "otan osaa". All of the words of sympathy expressed for me and my family have meant more to me than I could ever have believed possible. You all don't know me and you didn't know my father, yet so many of you have made such an effort to let me know that you care. I am overwhelmed by all of this. Johanne, you write of losing a little one. How terrible. My father was old and sick and in pain and I take a great deal of comfort in the thought that he is in a better place, having lived a full life with many joys. Johanne, my heart aches for you.

Just to make things clear, I personnaly did not loose my child this past week, heaven forbid, I would'nt be able to be here at all, wondering if I would have any sanity left in such a short time. But my dear friend did loose her very soon expected baby and having lost one myself a couple of years ago, it stirred up memories. So close to the miracle of life but taken away a nano-second before. No choice but to confort ourselves with beliefs of a better place for them and the faith in a destiny much bigger than our mere comprehension may aloud. Thanks.

Most people have no idea how much of a loss a miscarriage can be -- at any stage.

Most people also do not realise that 25-33% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. With such I high number, it should be more widely known.

AN ANNOUNCEMENT I have, this day, taken down all my Christmas decorations!!! *Applause* (Thank you, thank you very much! Now I just have to get it carried out to the garage!)

That is very good ,Cheryl. I have still the tree as it is so fresh and smells so good; I have not had the heart to throw it away. But I took away the last x-mas cloth the other day and have only kept one electric candlestick in the kitchen-window to brighten our dark and early mornings in January.

Cheryl & Ann2 -- with both of your messages blinking at the same speed, I began to feel that Christmas was still here! To any interested viewers of CF movies: I recently loaned my copy of "Dutch Girls" to Mari. If you are interested in viewing it, let me know via email (kelder@miworld.net for home or k_elder@fre.fsu.umd.edu for work). I can ask Mari to send it to you when she has finished watching it. As long as I get it back sometime, I would be happy to share.

ANTI-SUPER BOWL PARTY Grace and I were talking at Pemberley today, bemoaning a full day of the Football Fan's High Holy Day, when we decided that we should hold our own party at Pemberley! The madness, I mean game begins at 6pm EST, but the Pregame crap, I mean festivities start hours and hours before that. So the official party shall begin at 4pm EST, earlier if you cannot stand anymore of John Madden! ;-) Y'all come!

Who in your opinion was worse Dandy Don,Howard or John Madden?

Wow, Super Sunday is here. And we have cheeseheads and anti-Superbowl partyin'. Are you going to have your own anti-Superbowl half time show with entertainment?

If you are not watching but only hearing the noise, Madden's yelling is really grating. But! I don't have a football husband anymore. Yay!!!!!!!!

Hey, Terry, we posted at the same time. Are you a football fan? If you have time, would you look in deeper?

Madden's comments on the web are naive and comical. "How do you dot com something?"

Amy throws a pass and Terry goes deep...

What?

Missed signal. Let's try that play again.

Cheryl, I am here. Where are you?? Your thoughts (in chat yesterday)about Darcy as a quarterback have sparked my interest in the game, football...that is. But remember...if you get to be the team masseuse, I get to do the locker room interviews, up close and oh so personal. One more thing.....about those whirlpool tubs for the athletes...are you sure they accommodate two comfortably???

Cheryl, I am here. Where are you?? Your thoughts (in chat yesterday)about Darcy as a quarterback have sparked my interest in the game, football...that is. But remember...if you get to be the team masseuse, I get to do the locker room interviews, up close and oh so personal. One more thing.....about those whirlpool tubs for the athletes...are you sure they accommodate two comfortably???

Grace: One more thing.....about those whirlpool tubs for the athletes...are you sure they accommodate two comfortably??? Some things are worth a little discomfort! ;-) (and I'm at Pemberley now...where are you, dearie?)

Sorry, I missed that party,Cheryl and Grace. But from what I hear it was not totally without sports, eyh eyh, nudge,wink?

Ann, Mostly we made sport of the Neanderthals sitting in front of the tube whooping and hollering over such a stupid game. You'll be pleased to know that after much discussion, we also did reach some consensus about those Lycra pants the gentlemen wear on the gridiron. Should have been there!

Congratulations, Kali!

Thank you, Amy dearest, for your encouragement and optimism. You're great! :)

Brava Kali

tHip Hip Hooray! (Which school was it?)

Hip Hip Hooray! (Which school was it?)

Hey! I did not post that twice - though it does bear repeating. ;-)

I have only one thing to say to you, my dearest niece... YAHOOOOOO!!!!

THanks guys! It was Georgetown, Joan...:)

But, of course, I'm not at all surprised. Congratulations daughter.

Was it not Mr Bingley who found it amazing that young ladies can have patience to be so very accomplished?! And in our midst are several very accomplished, who also posess a certain something in their air, their adress and expressions. They study law, go to medical school and I know not what! Good luck, Kali! (Just saw you in Best of chat!)And Saman too!

Congrats, Kali -- and may you receive many more happy responses! I hope you have a large field of choices (although Georgetown is certainly not too shabby).

Kali, Saman; go to it, girls!

Isn't this great? We are all so proud, like a bunch of mother hens. It is sweet.

CONGRATULATIONS Kali -- Georgetown is really great. Starting with the cream of the crop!! Congratulations also to Saman. What a bright bunch we have here - nice to know the next generation is in good hands!!;-)

Georgetown!! Great. congratulations, Kali

Congrats, Kali! I'm a UGA person, myself, but Georgetown is an awsome school. Just one question, what is a Hoya, exactly? I've heard so many things from people who go to Harrison High School as to what it is, but those Harrison people usually have problems with that whole collective reasoning/agreement thing! Sorry to those that I've offended, but at least McEachern can agree on their mascot. One more question, has anyone noticed that allmost all Latin teachers are either nutty absent minded professor types, or grandmothers-from-hell? Just a thought.

Latin teachers? Our Latin teacher in high school was a messy genius type. Here at Cal, Professor Knapp is very normal. He's married, with kids, and very nice. so, you're a Dawg (woof woof woof!), Laura? Oh...and a hoya is actually a retaining wall (selected by students long, long, ago...). It has nothing to do with the bulldog that the athletic department took on as a mascot. --- Thank you for your interest and encouragement, guys...you're great!!!

A hoya is a certain way of throwing a frisbee: Hold the frisbee with your first and second fingers on the inside with the second finger along the inside of the rim, place your thumb on the top of the frisbee, then hold the frisbee in a vertical position (perpendicular to the ground) over your shoulder, then in a motion similar to a baseball throw throw the frisbee with strength and with a flick of the wrist high into the air. The frisbee will then invert and float upside-down back to the earth--that is a oya!

A hoya is an ornamental plant that grows well in hanging baskets and has tiny star-shaped flowers.

Kali, I haven't been on here long, but want to say Congrats! Georgetown is pretty cool . . . and you must be pretty smart! But then we already knew that. Enjoyed seeing your picture.

Thank you, Susan! Glad you liked the pic. Ann, Joan, I had no idea that a "hoya" was so many things! The Hoya Laura was refering to is the official Georgetown "mascot"...which is not a dog, but a retaining wall. I know not why that was chosen by early Georgetown students.

WOW OF THE DAY! Henry's Jane Austen Info site was featured Monday on CNN Interactive: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9701/27/on.the.net/austen/ You know what I think is neat? That sometimes, once in a while, good content is discovered and recognized on its own merit. Nice job, Henry. You deserve the recognition.

Woo-hoo, H...

That CNN write up is "mah-ve-lous" !!! Good work HC -- who's your publicist? ; )

Congratulations Kali.......i did not notice but were you one of the non fans for football.......(I guess i could read back a bit and find out).........but to many of us out here Georgetown is to Basketball what Notre Dame is to Football.....hope you like b-ball........not just the fact they are two great catholic colleges......... Also has anyone tried to make either of the pizza's yet...........been curious to find out if you liked it

Cool, HC! ;-)

THank you, TJ...I like football alright, i guess...basketball even less...but then again, I don't go to school for the athletic departments! ;)

Congratulations! HC. That's great publicity and a really nice write-up. IMHO You deserve all the accolades you can accumulate for your pages!

Congratulations! HC. That's great publicity and a really nice write-up. IMHO You deserve all the accolades you can accumulate for your pages!

Inko is obviously very excited! :)

Congratulations, Kali! (This is the 1st time I use blink... Take a deep breath and embrace yourself, because you deserve it (hug yourself for me, too!). Save the strength to be used later. I'll try to convince a tonttu (Finnish elf, a guardian spirit of places etc.) to follow you... If you think something invisible is living at your flat, just "forget" some food on the table - the tonttu loves it!

Hip Hip Hourra Henri If not for your webpages I probably would'nt be here, million thanks and **smoosh**

Johanne: million thanks and **smoosh** Johanne dear, is this the French equivelent of a *samooch*? ;-)

] Johanne: million thanks and **smoosh** Johanne dear, is this the French equivelent of a *samooch*? ;-) __ Wouldn't that be "Mmmwwwa!"

If so, I think it should be spelled "smouche"

Okay, then I guess my "Mmmwwwa" would have to be MMMMMMMMoi!

Mmouah, Mmouah, Mmouah Amy, I like it very much. Mmouah Henri, and when kissed dearest, something else than the spelling should occupy your thoughts ;) Kissing Fest

Well, I think kissing is a fine topic for this place. I'd not be ashamed to have either Ayelet's mom or mine read about it. We start moving the schwinging today.

We're moving the Schwinging?

I'm laughing my a** off as I type!

Kali -- A big Congrats!! Oh the places you'll go!!!

Thank you, dear Candace and Mixu...

What a find :

Congratulations, Kali

Congratulations to HC on Great CNN presentation ! By the way you must have been doing lots of work on that site this autumn if I remember correctly. I visited and used bibliographies before I found old P&P2 board, in September. Were the colours there then?. Looks nice and inviting.

Relationship No ship, please. Not now. I haven't a captain nor a first mate � never mind a crew� It would take all my courage to try a relation inner tube. How about a relation floatie? Frozen margaritas in the pool some sultry summer night? Relation = Relative = Relativity = Energy = ME scared. Time flies when I'm fleeing fun. Marybeth Gradziel June 19, 1995 Reproduction We women need not be alone for long. We can grow friends. Find the right seed. Care for the sprout. and Enjoy the fruit of our labor. Marybeth Gradziel August 22, 1995 Dream Thought I understood it all one night. How men looking for women get mixed up, and flit from one to another � always looking for more. If only they knew� Inside every woman is an infinite number of other women just waiting for true love, trust and acceptance, to come out and love the man in an infinite number of womanly ways. Marybeth Gradziel August 24, 1995

Very nice Doug,thanks for sharing

OJ verdict is in, not read. I have this terrible feeling something awful is going to happen.

I wish the media would stop making such a big deal of this. They are now saying that they will delay the President's state of the union address to wait for the reading of the verdict. Where are our priorities, for heaven sake???

I agree, Joan too. I was going to shut off the tv when I heard that there was this conflict about what to cover! (However, the snow/ice storm here cut off the cable before I could get to the remote. :-)) It is delightful to come to this civilized oasis, but I had intended to pay some attention to the President's address. Oh well, maybe I'll be a more informed citizen tomorrow.

At least ABC is going ahead with the President's address as planned. I plan to compliment them excessively!

This is really scarry

This is really scarry but on the other hand there's a lot of parodies outthere

My TV is broken, so I'm listening over NPR -- they haven't broken into the speech to announce the OJ verdict yet ;-)

Last message outdated -- State of Union solid but unmemorable... OJ verdict: GUILTY!!

The ultimate victory! ABC showed the President's entire speech - and then was still able to tune in to the trial just in time to get the verdict live. HA HA HA! Take that CBS and NBC!

I'm speechless.....

I stayed on ABC all evening, and never realized that CBS and NBC were not on the President's speech. My feelings about the evening - what else is new???

I stayed on ABC all evening, and never realized that CBS and NBC were not on the President's speech. My feelings about the evening - what else is new??? Sorry, I'm feeling cynical!!;-)

I'm speechless.....

Clinton has an excellent sense of timing. He finished exactly as the verdict came in. Now that's a great politician!

He's a slick one, he is...;)

I'm in such a terrible mood, I had to share it with you: yesterday 73 Israeli soldiers were killed when 2 helicopters collided. Seventy-three young men! the majority of them were just twenty years old. they were just born and now they are dead... I know at least 2 of them (there are still 20 more names not published), and the feeling is awful. If they were killed because of the war in Lebanon - I could at least understand it, but they died because of a stupid mistake, and it was a horrible death (there was ammunition on the helicopters, and it caused fire and explosions when it crashed on the ground). everyone here are so sad. almost everyone knew someone that died. I wish things like that will never happen again to anyone in any place.

That's awful, Adi. Even if they had died in actual battle, would it have been worth it? I doubt it. Most wars today are such ego-vehicles that I have trouble justifying them. And I've always considered myself a hawk.

Deepest sympathy, Adi. It is always bad whenever young people have to die, but in such a horrible crash it seems even worse. Also agree with Kali, death in battle or in a war would not have made it worth it--but then I'm a dove!! I hate all wars and can see no logical reasons for them.

Adi, I'm terribly sorry. If the helicopters were as explosive as you say, it's likely that they at least died instantly. I hope that's some comfort.

Kali, of course it's not worth it, those lives are so precious. those boys should not die, period. but sometimes you just can't help it - our men soldiers don't "play" in war, they are defending our northern border from terrorist attacks and from missiles. so it's understandable to die while you are defending your love ones and practically giving them life. I can assure you that in this case no ego is involved. what's killing me is that those soldiers were the top of the top of the youth in Israel: they were fighters in their way to their missions in Lebanon. they weren't just "Jobnicks" [=this is the name to describe the men soldiers who do office jobs like clerks]. they were already risking their life in their jobs protecting the rest of us, so they should have a better destiny than they had...

Adi, I can't even begin to imagine how you must feel. But I am so sorry.

Adi - I am so sorry. You are bringing the 'other side of the world' closer to all of us.

Let me had my voice to Inko, Amy and all us in share this pain. We're thinking of you and all who is hurting.

Let me add my sorrow, Adi. Life can be so unfair--the Israeli people have suffered so long; the endless war and persecution. So many Israeli youth gone in past mideast wars. Now, even technology revolts against them. And Israel the only real democratic state in the mideast. The older I get, the more I think the universe was somehow wrongly put together.

Too many have Carl, Israely and not, whether the're made knowns to us or kept in the back of the medias priorities. Too many innocent victims, especially children.

Thank you all for your kind words. Carl, I never thought about it like that but I guess you're right: the universe was wrongly put together. God probably made a mistake when he placed Israel in the middle east. this was another horrible day. most of the funerals took place today. On the radio and T.V there were just quiet and sad songs, and between them - stories about the lives of all the dead soldiers, talks with their families and friends, talks with politicians and basically anything that could make you cry endlessly. I can't take it anymore. I wish this week will be over already.

I just had to stop by before I head to bed to recommend a show I just saw. If "Riverdance - The Show" comes to your town, RUN to get tickets! I don't think I've ever had two hours in the theatre pass so fast! I'm not even sure how to explain it to you...its main focus is traditional Irish dance, but there's Russian, Spanish, and American dances as well. The energy level is just phenomenal. Also, in the program there was an ad for "Tap Dogs" which will be in town in a couple of weeks. Am I right in remembering that this show was highly recommended here?

] "Tap Dogs" ... was highly recommended here? mmmmnnnnhhhhh! all male, more 'modern' than Riverdance (at least the shows I saw) but definitely worth a look...

Kathleen, I have seen these ads for "Riverdance" but I think it is to purchase the video. What area are you in? I don't think they are coming here.

MY CAR JUST GOT STOLEN!!!!!

So sorry Ann, hope nothing too valuable in it !

Oh, Ann, I'm sorry.

That terrible. I'm so sorry Ann.

That's awful, Ann. What a horrible annoyance x 50 plus disgust and inconvenience and I can't even think what else. Yuck.

Oh, Ann, how awful. And it makes you feel so angry, helpless, violated -- a truly rotten experience. Were you at work or home when it happened? I hope you are OK.

Ann, so very aggravating! Ok in body, if not spirit, I hope.

Ann - That's terrible! Its one of those things that's hard to grasp - you know where you parked it and it takes a minute to register that it's really not there. Donna - I'm in the Detroit area. I don't know where its headed next, but hopefully it will end up near you soon. Anna - I think I'm going to check it out (Tap Dogs). :)

My car was parked in the lot in front of my apartment building and was probably stolen sometime last night. The cops were hopeful that they would be able to find it, but I doubt it. This is actually the second car that I've had stolen. The first one was stolen from my brother at gunpoint. The cops eventually recovered that one and the thief got 4 years in jail. Now I've lost another one. It is a pain in the neck to be carless. At least the weather won't be too bad for the next few days, so walking won't b too bad. Thanks for your messages.

That's really bad news Ann. I hope you were covered and you get some new wheels soon. What kind of car was it?

1989 Jeep Cherokee Limited Edition with tinted windows and leather seats! I inherited it from my parents when they bought a Land Rover. It is a very popular car among thieves, but is getting on in years. I don't think there is any chance that I will be able to replace it with a comperable vehicle.

Very sad indeed Ann. I do hope you get it back.

Ann, what a bummer!

Ann, I'm somewhat new here -- where do you live? I'm so sorry to hear about your rig; Jeep Cherokees are cool. You have a good attitude about it, though. Hang in there and keep your chin up.

I live in Minneapolis, not the best place to be carless in the middle of winter. I figure that there is nothing I can do about it. It's just going to be a pain in the butt to get it replaced!

I lived and worked in Mpls without a car for about a year. I worked as a city planner till I left there in a schoolbus that I recycled into an "rv". Bought it from the Owatonna School district. But that was then. In today's world, getting around in a good car is more of a necessity. I really liked the town, I met some very good people there.

Will be sending good thoughts your way, Ann. Keep thinking positive. Hope this next week brings better things.

Suck.

Good news: THEY FOUND MY CAR!!! I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know how much damage was done. I know they broke a window and had to damage the ignition to start it. Thanks to everybody for your support, I'm sure it showed up so quickly because I had so many people thinking about it across the world. Thanks to all!

I didn't realise that yapp takes the word news and makes it into a link!!!

Ann, that's terrific. I hope you can get your car fixed and functional really soon. Glad you didn't have to wait too long to find out about it, either.

Ann, it's wonderful!!! You did get lots of instant support, and I'm sure it helped.

Hope everything works out, Ann!

Gee, maybe we should start charging -- strangers, that is -- for this psychic service. Woman power. Be afraid. (Hil, did you start that "be very afraid" stuff?") Very glad to hear it, Ann.

Ann, So glad they found your car. Hope it'll be driveable soon!! There is a terrific review of P&P2 in today's NY Times by Christoper Lehmann-Haupt, a book reviewer. He compares P&P2 to the book and likes it very well indeed, better than any other Austen adaptation. Link is: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/arts/tv-austen-review.html

That is an increadible review!! (By the way, you probably have to register at the NYTimes site before you can view the stories there. I would heartily recommend that you do. The NYTimes site is one of the best newspapers on the web and includes most, if not all, of the printed paper (including the crossword puzzle!!))

I have sent the NYTimes a E-letter in response to this article. I thought I would share it with all of you: Dear Sir or Madam, Your reporter, Christopher Lehmann-Haupt, is not the first to fall in love with the BBC/A&E production of Pride and Prejudice. This production in particular, and Jane Austen in general, has a large and loyal following on the internet. There are several sites which have been founded specifically for the purpose of discussing this production, and which have subsequently been broadened to include all of the works of Jane Austen. Other sites have been established solely to provide information and access to Au ten's works on the internet. Some of the URL's are as follows: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/janeinfo.html http://www.spring.com/yapp-bin/restricted/browse/austen/all/new (requires registration) http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/wwwboard/ppbb.html It is suprising to me that she, of all authors, has such a strong following in cyberspace. I am continually amazed by the wide variety of Jane Austen information available on the internet, as well as the variety of people interested in her work. The virtual community which has been created around an interest in Jane Austen includes men and women, it includes people from the age of nine to well over sixty, and spans several continents and languages. It represents the best of what the internet can be by bringing together so many people in so many different walks of life, races, and cultures. We have come together and have indeed formed a community. We cry together when one of us suffers from a loss of a loved one, and we celebrate when one of us pa ses a milestone in life. We support eachother, even though few of us have ever met or even know what the others look like. We are grateful to Miss Austen for giving us the reason come together, and are grateful to the BBC/A&E production for introducing so many of us to her work. I am glad that your paper has recognised this wonderful production, which has brought so many people to enjoy Pride and Prejudice and Jane Austen, and which has brought so many of us together in cyberspace. Thank you, Ann Elizabeth Haker haker001@tc.umn.edu

As Lizzie would say "Beautiful".

Great news Ann. Whewwww! * slaps Ann a high five *

Ann, whatare we going to talk about next? Do keep us posted regarding your now recovered vehicle.

Did someone save the review -- it's expired from the NY Times site...

Yes, it did expire. I did a search and found an old review about JA which listed your site HC.

February 8, 1997 CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK / By CHRISTOPHER LEHMANN-HAUPT 'Pride and Prejudice': A Great Movie of a Great Book Plenty of bad movies have been made of good books, and a fair number of good movies have come from bad books. But a great movie of a great book? Speaking from a book reviewer's vantage point, I nominate Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice," a co-production of the BBC and A&E, which is being rebroadcast by A&E in two parts, on Saturday and Sunday. I had missed the production the first time around, but when a friend lent me the tapes, I was instantly and completely caught up by the Bennet family and the thwarted romances of the two eldest daughters, Jane and Elizabeth. I did not get free until I had watched the entire five-hour production three or four times. The Bennets' world seemed more real than mine. I found myself repeating the memorable lines. I caught myself humming the music. As with a really good book, I discovered more and more to enjoy as I grew familiar with the main action and could concentrate on the smallest of details: for example, the way you can still overhear Miss Caroline Bingley (played with grand imperiousness by Anna Chancellor) after the camera has shifted away from the reception line at the Netherfield ball. But best of all was the way the film spurred me to read the book again after 40 years and to re-experience as literature the wayward romances of Jane and Elizabeth Bennet with Charles Bingley and Fitzwilliam Darcy. Surprisingly, the book proved somewhat disappointing at first. As the friend who lent me the tapes rightly put it when I asked him how the book compared with the film, "It makes you fear for literature." "Oh! Shocking!" as Miss Bingley would say. To admit that the literalness of film might surpass the stimulus to the imagination of Austen's language. "Abominable!" But this was my experience at first. And it is not simply to be explained by the inherent vividness of film as a medium or by the masterly performances of Jennifer Ehle as Elizabeth, Colin Firth as Darcy, David Bamber as Collins, Crispin Bohham-Carter as Charles Bingley, Adrian Lukis as Lt. George Wickham and Barbara Leigh-Hunt as Lady Catherine. Other films of Austen's novels I happen to have seen don't come near to offering the pleasures of this production. One need hardly consider the 1940 Hollywood movie directed by Robert Leonard, with its mangled script (by Aldous Huxley yet!) draining the story of all dramatic tension, its miscasting of a too-old Greer Garson as Elizabeth and its simpering performance by Laurence Olivier as Darcy. Both the "Emma" starring Gwyneth Paltrow and a forthcoming BBC/A&E co-production of the novel with Kate Beckinsale (to be shown on A&E on Feb. 16) are entertaining enough but seem thin compared with Austen on paper. While Emma Thompson's "Sense and Sensibility" has much to recommend it, it suffers considerably from the lack of the novel's ironic narrative voice, which mercifully distances the reader from the excesses of its two leading characters. And "Persuasion," while the best of the feature-length adaptations of Austen, is so brilliantly cinematic that one almost misses Austen's narrative voice. Moreover, it is not nearly as faithful to the original as the film of "Pride and Prejudice" is, and one has to have read the novel to understand certain subplots that are barely touched upon in the movie. (I have not seen the 1985 BBC production of "Pride and Prejudice," directed by Cyril Coke, or the movie "Clueless.") In "Pride and Prejudice," an early work of Austen's (at least in its original form, completed in 1797 and titled "First Impressions"), little distance exists between the narrator and the viewpoint of the leading characters. In fact, the narrator's outlook is close to that of Elizabeth, who, except for the prejudice that prevents her from seeing the truth about the deceptively charming Wickham and the too-proud Darcy, is one of the most liberated women in all of literature, especially impressive considering the narrowness of the society she lives in. So "Pride and Prejudice" translates easily onto the screen. True, the initial hostility between Elizabeth and Darcy is more deeply and subtly developed in the book. And we understand more clearly the extent to which Mr. and Mrs. Bennet are alienated as husband and wife. But consider how the film improves on the book. Take, for instance, the introduction of Collins, the cousin of the Bennets who is to inherit their estate. In the book, Bennet reads aloud the letter to him from Collins detailing how he wishes to "heal the breach" that subsists "between yourself and my late honored father" and how he plans to visit the Bennets. The family then reacts to the letter, noting the pompousness of its style. A few paragraphs later, the text announces: "Mr. Collins was punctual to his time, and was received with great politeness by the whole family." In the film, Bennet starts reading the letter, but Collins' voice takes over a little way through, as the viewpoint shifts and, to the mocking sound of a bassoon, we see the clergyman's world through his eyes: his church; his condescending patroness, Lady Catherine; his departure in his "own modest equipage" and his arrival at the Bennets' estate by hired carriage. As his reading of his letter ends, he is greeted at the Bennets' front door with Bennet's words, "And here he comes!" Thus, with magical fluidity, the novel's space opens up, and we are given a tour of Austen's little world as well as firsthand experience of Collins' toadying pompousness. Comparing the film and the book up to this point, I was prepared to admit that my friend was right: It does make you fear for literature. I thought of Henry James' remark, "An acted play is a novel intensified." By the end, I'm relieved to report, the book's richness overtakes the film's. The book's suspense is greater, mainly because the narrator goes inside Elizabeth's head (as the film cannot do) and allows the reader to share at length her despair over Darcy's probable loss and her hope for the remote possibility of his return. And where the film can give us only snapshots of the various characters reacting to the consummating weddings, the book ends by leaping into the future and explaining with narrative tongue in cheek how various characters adapt to the outcome. Still, despite the triumph yet again of the written word over the pictorial image as the better way to tell a tale of psychological nuance, this reader will never again be able to open the pages of "Pride and Prejudice" without picturing the actors in this unforgettable television production. In a perfect example of the synergy possible between written word and moving image, the film brings to life the world Jane Austen saw and makes you appreciate how she sifted it in her imagination and rendered it in her prose. Home | Sections | Contents | Search | Forums | Help Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company

Amy, thanks for sharing ... but we already knew P&P2 was addicting and very difficult to improve upon. This just proves the point. (Although I don't necessarily agree with his opinions regarding other adaptations).

Sounds like Christopher needs to be sent our URL so he may continue to wallow with the rest of us! ;-)

Ann, thanks so much for e-mailing the N.Y. Times. I think it's great that they know their article is appreciated and that there is a bunch of us out in cyberspace who feel the same way their reviewer does! And thanks, Amy, for getting the article here. I wasn't sure how to do that. After all, that was my first link ever!! I'm learning, but ever so slowly!! BTW, I watched A&E tonight but I was disappointed--I really missed all the extra scenes I have on my tapes, and I hate being interrupted by commercials all the time! But it allowed me to get some work done and listen to it in the background!

Inko: BTW, I watched A&E tonight but I was disappointed--I really missed all the extra scenes I have on my tapes, and I hate being interrupted by commercials all the time! But it allowed me to get some work done and listen to it in the background! YES Inko! Me too! In fact I only watched the last 15 minutes...the proposal scene...ooh baby, lots of heat in that room! ;-)

Susan: but we already knew P&P2 was addicting and very difficult to improve upon. This just proves the point. Yes, Susan, but what delighted me about the article was that a big cheese like Lehmann-Haupt, who as regular book critic for the New York Times holds a high position in literary circles, would admit in public to being as obsessed with a t.v. adaptation as an ordinary mortal! P&P2 conquers ALL!

Ann - I am making my way into this conversation late - like Mr. Woodhouse. I am glad they found your car - please let us know more as you get it back and back into working order. Thanks for the letter and the article.

I have just been reading back, having not visited for a while. Adi, I wish I knew some way of comforting you. I hope as time moves on you will feel better. Amy (#345),not me, I think?????....I don't think I'm that scary!

I guess this topic got kicked out of Austen!

Ramblings, everyone! I have a terrible flu, am low on cash, and on a tight schedule. And yes, I almost forgot: I'm also turning 27 on Thursday! I'm beginning to feel old... On the other hand, it's Valentine on Friday, so: Happy Valentine! Thank you for letting this off my mind. I feel better already. I'll see you next week!

beginning to feel old??????????? old is just a state of mind....take it from someone who is about to celebrate the 21st anniversary of his 21st birthday.........

I have just browsed down through the responses, all 364 of them and find them to be interesting. I thought this would be more of a political discussion than I have found, but am certainly glad for the camaradery.

Welcome Don! Hope you keep checking back in with us.

Thanks for the welcome. Where does peoples interest lie? I would be interested in people that have ideas that would lead to organizing the State Univ. of New York (SUNY) students into a voting block, or at least a political voice with a little muscle. I think it is a damn shame what the SUNY Board of Trustees are trying to do to the state system.

Open a topic in politics, the conference.

You guys are very interesting but I'm not sure how I fit in since I'm going to go out on a limb here and actually say I'm not a huge Austen fan--I like what I've seen but I guess it didn't hit me the way it hit you all (so what am I doing here? long story). But you welcome even lukewarm fans, eh? You seem like a nice bunch folks, you won't wallop me, right?

You're cool. Come on out and play!

I wrote my intro. in another section. I heard today that there is a virus out there and it comes in your e mail and says from aol and states free aol on line and when you open it your entire system is wiped out including your antivirus programs. I figure it is for real because the alert was from washington and sent out to gov. fac. recieved in Atlanta at a gov. research fac. anyone heard about this?

No, can you provide more details. Is it documented anywhere on the web or is there any anti-virus company that recognizes it. Have you contacted the folks at F-Prot or Norton to see if it's real. An email to them might clear things up.

My,my, my... Terry, this has really grown since last I checked in. At the Denver Public Library today. Brandon is on a plane bound for Philly and I'm cold and lonely. The weather is bringing me down. The middle of April. 10 degrees. Six inches of melting snow. My flowers, the ones I planted three weeks ago, will never bloom. Sad. I'm checking out a Kabir poetry book, an Aaron Copland CD and several other random fiction stories -- sci-fi, romance, modern weird, you know... a little bit of everything to help me get through the week. Miss Austin, miss warm weather. Need a cup of caffeine and a chocolate macad mia cookie. Mountain biking and skating are on hold until the snow melts and the trails dry up. Thinking fondly of my former life...

Wow, Miss Stace' checkin' in... glad you found some access. Are those Interent terminals very busy? Isn't it cool that libraries have net access now. Nearly all the Austin libraries have net access. I get Denver stations on my satellite dish so I got a little glimpse at your weather. I won't mention what kind of day we're having in Austin or that all the plants all over are in multi-colored profusion. Do you go snow skiing? That would seem a natural for you with your athleticism. Have you been in any more ironman competitions (run, swim, bike)? Well, enough of this indoor activity for now, time to get outdoors. Keep on checkin' in, Stacey!

Stacey stacey check back in! I'm a desperately unhappy Dallasite longing to relocate to Denver/Boulder. Please give me some words of encouragement while I wait out this interminable job-hunt. I miss Austin, too--partly why I'm heading for D/B! It's the closest I've found to that great Austin ambience. Guess I'll trade hellishly hot summers for frosty winters!

well, I'm bummed...one of the 2 main potential employers I'm looking at in Denver now lists "no jobs available" on their home page (they used to have half a dozen) and the other one still has the 2 unsuitable-for-me jobs they've been listing since Feb. Time to do more searching and sending.

Did you get in touch with Stacey yet?

Have you thought about moving to Austin? Just a thought.

Like I said in one of my many intros, it would be a dream come true to return to Austin, the town of my heart. Unfortunately, the reality is that I am just too old to live in the squalor afforded by the measly salaries paid for my line of work in Austin...so I visit and dream...

Plus I'm just too dainty these days for the blistering hellfire of those Austin summers (they made a man of me in my 20s, but now...I can't breathe!)...like Colo winters will be any less hellish!

What work do you do again?

Molecular biology (got my MD, quit my residency, took up lab work). Sadly, the labs in Austin are easily staffed by peons fresh out of college willing to work for peanuts. There is Ambion, the lone industry. Perhaps I should give them a whirl, see if they'd be willing to pay me vast sums of money to enjoy the Austin ambience....

Talk to my friend Bob Nagy who works at UT Botany when he gets over his throat surgery (about a week). He's mailto://bob@spring.com He may be able to help steer you in the right direction. I'll mention him to you. His home page is at http://www.spring.com/~kreblon There's hope!

You are very kind, terry. I will definitely look there! Sadly, UT is the lowest-paying, but what the heck, I'll see what's up. My ramble for today: I changed the tire on my car ALL BY MYSELF!!! last Saturday. I'm so proud of myself. Plenty of lacrimal lubrication to get the lugs off (fortunately this all took place in the privacy of my own driveway)!

The folks I know there love it. Despite the low pay. They like the relaxed atmosphere and benefits.

As indeed I did during the 3 1/2 years I toiled in the Micro dept--great people and a fine ambience (ESB is a cool bldg)--much better than the tense unsmiling environs of UTSWMC Dallas! I'll see what the pay scale is for my now-advanced status (cf my previous inexperienced level), eh. I just need enough to pay the vet bills and the car repairman!

And apropos of nothing, let me just rant about my pet peeve, trafficwise: so you're tooling along virtually alone on the road (plenty of oncoming traffic)(but no one near you in your direction). Mr Doofus is exiting a parking lot, wants to join you on the road. He sees you 10 blocks away and waits. And waits. And waits. When you are right upon him, mere inches from his front bumper, he EASES his tuna boat out directly in front of you. Having used up every last ounce of driving courage on this bold m neuver, he proceeds to drive 5 mph for a block or two, then slams on his brakes without warning, apparently (why use a turn signal? HE knows where he's going) wishing to turn left past all the oncoming traffic. So the pair of you spend eternity waiting for a brek in traffic sufficiently large to accomodate a tuna boat driven by a moron whose used up all his courage. Not a soul behind you; he could have done all of this after you passed, but NOOOOO, he HAD to pull in front of you. Thank you and good ni ht. seriously, any other traffic annoyances out there? Or do I just need to get the idiot magnet removed from my front bumper?

sorry about the typos--combination of spleen-venting and weird response frame (I can't see half of what I type!)

I'm over in Austin rambling, go back to main menu, see there's a new response in porch, come over here, and it's ME! This is too fun, chatting with myself (are the voices in my head bothering you?).

And I return hours later,see another new response, and whaddaya know--ME AGAIN!

AUBREY RULES THE WORLD!! I am the only responder! I am queen of everything! Ruler of mesopotamia! Goddess of The Spring!

Well, you see, aubrey, the 'ramble' topic is actually replicated throughout several conferences and forms sort of a common thread through all these conferences. It started out in the austen conference and spread out from there (though it's no longer linked to austen after the major metamorphosis it went through. Anyone see the story on the WELL in the latest issue of Wired? Two folks I know pretty well, Cliff Figallo (fig@well.com) and John Coate (tex@well.com) are on the cover looking like guys out of the Xfiles. Also pictured is Stewart Brand. I was one of the original members of the WELL and much of the inspiration for the Spring comes from what Cliff and John did at the WELL, even the name was originally a play on the WELL. Anyway, check it out.

I thought someone was typing in porch while I was typing in austin. Ddidn't realize the computer wouldn't be able to figure out it was me all the time. Will look for Wired and your pals. You're a funny man of the spring/well/geyser.

Once again, aubrey is the queen of all she surveys! I rock the Spring! I am so large and in charge! I think I will chat with myself a while....

I've been offline here about 3 days, I'll be getting back on soon.

But I'm having sooo much fun! I NEVER get to be the one in charge! However, you are better at it than me...Fun in the lab: I was doing an experiment yesterday that required the use of some truly noxious organic chemicals; when I was pouring them out under the fume hood (like one of those kitchen range exhaust fans, only it's enclosed on 3 1/2 sides)(designed to suck away noxious vapors so they don't enter the lab) I couldn't quite reach the sink at the back of the hood, so without thinking I NATURALLY tuck my head under the hood to get better leverage...just a half a whiff of that stuff and I blacked out and hit the floor. Yikes-a-hootey! I'm still reeling from the shock a day later! Maybe I should consider a different profession? One that doesn't require frequent use of noxious and dangerous chemicals and gene-altering isotopes?

I wondered why you hadn't been posting for a couple of days! Wow! Take it easy there. Glad you back with the conscious folks. You're set up as a telnetter now! Let me know if you have any questions about how to use the telnet / yapp interface.

Well, terry, I've tried every way I can but I still seem to have some sort of block vis a vis telnet. I can get to stroud (but only via typing it into netscape or clicking on the url you left me in tv conf--the url on the welcome page still doesn't work), but get lost therafter. There is a ws-ftp to click on at one point in the depths of Stroud, but my choice seems to be to download it, which (since this is NOT my own computer) I am a bit leery of. There is no Windows95 choice. On this computer (NOT i NetScape) there is a ws-ftp icon which I played with a little, but it couldn't find telnet://www.spring.com so I stopped (but now my password and name are on the ws-ftp page). Maybe I should try this from a personal personal computer (my brother is a computer jockey; I will enlist his help).

Where the hell did THAT come from???? All I did was type in the letters for that telnet thing and it went purple!!! Does that work for other sites? http://www.vabeach.com for example?

Help terry I'm scaring myself--every time I type in a url it lights up. Did I sniff too much pet ether last week or is this the glorious result of being a telnet gal? Yikes! Stop me before I hurt someone! So that vabeach url is from my e-pal who wants so desperately to join the Spring but cannot get on. I don't know what the site is, it was just the first thing I tried! AND IT WORKS! This is toooo spooooooky for me. How does the computer know where to go if I didn't tell it?

Terry I am serious, this is WAY too spooky: I sent an e-mail (via NetScape)to my bros requesting their assistance in this telnet thing, and when I typed in the spring telnet url thingie, IT LIT UP! WHY IS THIS SUDDENLY HAPPENING?? As you will note from my previous comments, I never used to be able to do lit-up urls--when I suggested websites to my e-pals, they never lit up before. How does the computer know I have a telnet account when I'm not logged on that way? IS BIG BROTHER WATCHING ME? I'm getti g paranoid!

I just left a lot of responses in ramble via telnet (with the kind assistance of my e-pal and my brother) and they didn't show up here. What's up?

And now my responses are gone from telnet, although that last response (left via the website) showed up on telnet. I am deeply confused. Plus, where are the messages left for me in telnet by my e-pal pungo? Terry, take my hand and leadeth me beside the spring waters, for I knoweth not what is happen.

what happens to the stuff I write here? It vanished! Hmmmm, I went to the web spring and typed that above message in, and when I came back, this last telnet response was still here... I think I need someone else to chat with for this to work? "."

Terry you'd better get here quick. My computer is now sassing back at me. I was roaming around telnet in ramble and it informed me "a message entered before yours at 403"--I don't know what it's talking about, but that's pretty spooky. Truly bizarre, tho--I asked it to take me to tv conf, but before it would it asked "do you feel more enlightened now?" WHO IS TALKING TO ME???? Are the voices in my head bothering anyone else?

response 404 is me in telnet. "." is me trying to leave! What happened to my first set of responses a few hours ago? Why did that STUPID response show up? Where did my name come into all of this?

Keep after it aubrey, you'll catch on. This telnet stuff really does work!

It may work for you. It just scares me.

It's not all that scary. What editor are you using? vi or pico?

ummmm...I am my own editor? Let me ask the computer god who runs the show around here. He's nice and knows everything about our set-up (he should, since he set it up!).

I couldn't find anywhere in tv conf to put this, so I'll just yammer away here: last night I got to watch a tv pilot. It was not so good but it was fun getting to watch something that may or may not be a show. The only person I recognized was Cynthia Geary from NExp (so maybe this should go there). It was a lame sitcom about a totally uninteresting couple of 20somethings getting married and all the trouble with involving their families in the wedding (his: NY Jew, hers: Southern crackers; hi-jinks ens e!). You think I could parlay this into a career? I can critique potential shows from the comfort of my own living room! Or not.

You might want to hold on to your day job till you explore this a little more.

It's so exciting to have you here during the day, terry! I like! So what, you think they won't pay me vast sums of money to sit around bitching about others' lack of creativity? Am I doomed to knocking myself out with organic solvents for the rest of my natural life? Breathe in, breathe out....

Are you and telnet getting along now?

Well, not exactly. I've asked my brother the computer chimp to help me out (so don't be surprised if you read some really dull test messages here--I gave him my logon to work it out for me) so we'll see what he comes up with. My friend pungo has given up completely on The Spring (he e-mailed you for help and didn't hear back and since I can't find him on telnet he's going to find somewhere else for us to play--but I'll still be here!). I prefer the web-nased bbs rather than telnet. Maybe I'm a sucker or cool graphics (also this computer is pretty fast) or whatnot. What again are the advantages to telnet?

That's "web Based" bbs!

Oh yeah the tv pilot people never called me for my opinion--what have you been telling them about me, terry?

The tv pilot people called last night; apparently the wrong show got beamed out so they didn't even interview me. My shiny new career vanishes like a candle in the wind....

like the old Elton John song.

how time does fly! I can't believe it's been so long since I've logged in. Boss-man really has me totin barges and liftin bales. Plus I've walked out on him a couple of times in the middle of the workin day when he starts smokin in the lab. Anyway, I got a phone interview, out of the blue, from Amgen, a company I applied to back in Feb--thought they'd forgotten all about me but apparently not. I am hopelessly unqualified for the job in question, plus it's in 1K Oaks CA where I'll never live, but who ares! I'll take the interview process as far as she'll go. I need the practice. Hey, also my bro in Denver has mentioned an editing job (for medical journals) so maybe I'll get something after all!

I just got offered a webmaster job in Calif and a system network job for Compaq, but I got an even better job offer inAustin. So I'll stick around.

But even if it weren't a better offer--you'd stay in Austin, right? Calif can't compare! Do you have to move to do a computer job? Can't they just link you up or something and let you stay in that fair city?

I would probably stay. If it were Northern Calif I'd be more tempted. I had a good dinner last night with Doug Larue and he has some ideas for pumping up the Spring and Capcity. Doug is a very talented designer and editor of Capitol City Arts and Entertainment magazine. We're working on ways to build traffic and to attract more dedicated websites.

I can't wait! I'm all aglow! More people would be grrrreat. I've been spending time on another website (wbs.net) and while it's fun having "live" conversations, the people and topics are lame. More people here would be ideal. Let me know if I (useless as I am) can help--I'm still doing word-of-mouth promotions to everyone I meet who uses computers.

Anything you can do would help. I'm working 12 hours a day now so it's harder to promote this thing.

Terry you must relax! Austin is for slackers! Please tell me you will not keep up this pace. Breathe in, breathe out...

I think I pumped it up a bit here on Sunday night. Take a look around and you'lll see some action, Aubrey.

Where have I been??? I'm back now!

hahahaha and I'm STILL fooling myself with this ramble-in-many-conferences gag! every time I put in a response I go and check the other conference!! I have a memory span the size of a GNAT!!!

I'm heading off to TJ Cellery's big party today, he's one of our posters in the sports conference and he's got bands, darts, and all kinds of activities going on out in Lake Bastrop today and tomorrow. It's already been going on for two days.

Hope you had fun terry. I linked the spring from my "home page" (such as it is) on wbs.net--hope that's ok!

It's more than ok.

Hiya! Once again found myself within 3 yards of a computer and had to say hello! Miss you. Miss Austin. Should be back in late June early July. We'll do the Dog&Duck/veggie burger thing! Spring has finally reached Denver! Yea! Camping, biking and beer guzzling for Memorial Day. JuneFest this weekend -- more beer, camping and biking! Hope all is well with EVERYONE -- too many new people, I feel lost Paul! Smiles and hugs!

We had a great party out in Bastrop at TJ Cellery's digs, he had live bands, horseshoes, good friends, great food and four frolicking days. He's been doing this for 25 years now (all around the country). Too bad about the Avs' Stacey Leigh!

Stacey, did you hear about Don moving out to Denver?

Hi. Is there anyone interested in the Canadian federal election?

I hadn't been giving it much thought. Fill us in ok?

There's a Canadienne in my wbs chat group who want the current guy booted out in favor of the contender who she says "won't let the Frenchies walk all over us"--I'll ask for more details, eh?

How about those Bulls las night?

They're having a quiet war about that, Aubrey?

sadly ginger that's all I know--and terry see my query in porch intros; I am confused (so what's new!) by these new choices we have! "preserve as unread"??? why???

Why? Because Dave Thaler just upgraded our interface. We'll be putting out some upgrade notes soon. Aubrey, so good you're back!

Thank you terry! glad to be here! so sad that boss-man keeps me away with WORK! So what is with thie COOKIE business????? why do yuo keep asking me to send them? I make a really great oatmeal chocolate chip (to die for!)--wouild a dozen satisfy you? Seriously terry this is getting ridiculous! I can hardly get on the spring for having to machete through a thicket of computer messages about COOKIES--help meeeeee!

Your broswer lets you turn off cookie notification. What browser are you using aub' ?

I am using netscape...everyone is telling me cookies are the worst thing in the world but you seem relatively calm about this...so I will take heart and attempt to figure out how to turn them off. if I can't can you help!

Sure, be glad to help. What version of Netscape do you have?

yu got me there pal, I just click it on hee hee hee...let me have a look-see...

the icon says 3.01 but what actually comes up is 3.0...I deselected cookie under the preferences "show me a warning before accepting a..." and I sure hope that's ok--I don't know why someone would select that--terry? do I need to know when the computer has accepted a cookie?

Not really. It's mildly interesting. Not something to work up a frenzy over.

hey!! now you actually being here IS soething to work up into a frenzy over!

And I am frothing! I have never had anyone here when I am here! so I want to hear more about the electronic minds *peering about* are they here right now?

They are, join minds.

Can...we...revive...this...topic? I already thawed it out in the microwave. (and, it's not like some of us need it *wink* cause we ramble in other places, BUT...)

Sure pop it in the wave.

and what, praytell, are we rambling about?!?

jesus! I had to go through 2 friggin years worth o crap to get here! And what do I find but the same damn words I posted somewhere else. This is un nerving!

lol!

Apparently we're rambling about not getting anywhere...

Ramble is a mega linked topic. So if you ramble here, you ramble everywhere. Just so you know.

That's an intimidating thought. I'm afraid to ramble now.

But, Autumn...

Sorry, I seldom think I have anything worthwhile to say, much less to have it echoed throughout the spring.

I always appreciate your posts. If you've read most of mine, worthwhile is not always a requisit.

Ahh, but I'm not a deep thinker like you. An eloquent stream of consciousness always rates higher than inane chit-chat.

I appreciate the compliment, Autumn. *blush* No one has ever referred to it as eloquent. Weird, convoluted, abnormal, strange, etcetera, but never eloquent...

Well, consider yourself eloquent.

"I was born a ramblin' Maaaaannnnnnnnnn. Trying to make a livin' an doin' the best I caaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnn."

roflmao! (that's a pretty excellent dickie betts, especially from someone subject to recurring cat dreams...)

*grin* gotta be too much herb tea!

Hey, ramblin' girl, speaking of tea, just got a shipment of chai in today. A free sample from the Pacific Chai company. Who says I never got anything free off the net?

where? Good stuff? I'm a big Celestial Seasonings fan...

JUST POSTED THIS IN MOVIES.... NOW I HAVE TO READ IT AGAIN IN FITNESS!!!!!! AAAccccccccccccccccccck! Paul, what are you doing to me?!?!

It's a conspiracy Stace, remember when I told you a few days ago that when you post here you post everywhere (thought I was kidding, eh?). Anyway, I got the free Chai tea from Pacific Chai which I found by searching for the word "chai tea" on yahoo's site. http://www.PacificChai.com Good stuff! Spicy, weet, rich, and *instant* chai tea.

Stacey, what are your favorite CS teas? I love the mandarin orange spice, and I use their green blend for iced tea.

Well as the thread in this group goes more into tea, all I can add to that is the fact that I have never drunken so much tea in my life like I do now living in Londo for half a year, you really drink it at nearly anytime in the day it's incredible... Just to continue rambling (I hope nobody minds) I am just not willing to spend hours over what I should be doing, preparing for my finals here in the South Bank University in London. It has been quite a semester here, and I must say to anybody who has the chanceto join such an exchangeprogramme, do it (like the Nike ad tell's you to) It's an expirience I don't want to have missed, and I already have spend a moth in an american Junior high school, a couple of years back (yeah yeah, those were the days) this thred was called Ramble? wasn't it ? ;-) I just could go on for hours, telling you about the freezing weather we had here after we had the warmest day in January two weeks ago, since the recordings began some hundred years ago, the weather is really unpredictable... Somehow I could do with some real proper sunshine, staying here I have acquired one of the most ugly teints I have ever had, the last time I had such a pale skin was after learning for my last exams in Germany for nearly a whole month and not seeing the outside much... Well I guess all you can do about that is either eat a wagonload of carrots (betacarotin) or lie under a artificial sun for some time, which I actually don't have, or I should better say shouldn't have ;-) Rambling on I could now go into the fact that I spent nearly 2 hours downloading the newest Mac OS -8 upgrade to 8.1 Apart from that I found a cool webpage explaining about Java and even offering a whole online store for free (all the scripts and everything that is needed to make such an to run an online store) so if everything else fails (my studies here as a building engeneer) I will open an online store selling ... well I don't know... ah! I got it I'll sell semelly socks ;-) Well what I would really like to do at the moment is continue writing my webpage, but I can't continue, because I couldn't setup my harddisk here, because my friend wanted back his casing for his harddisk ... well just in case you would like to have a little look around, or find out a bit about the thesis that I want to write about, check out my page at http://www.hardlink.com/~nike I would like some feedback... Well I guess I have rambled enough ;-) I should get back to my studies (yuck) See ya around enjoy the tea (I usually just have the normal PG Tips Black tea here) Bye Nike

Just in, the inside scoop on Clinton's woes from the Drudge report in politics.

Read it in the politics conference. Either it's over for Clinton or Starr. One of them will bite the dust soon.

Nike, now thar's a ramblin' man! Gosh, it's great you're back with us. Buddy, ya know, got a gig with Microsoft up in big D. Funny, Buddy always despised Microsoft now he's getting those BillyBucks. I wish him well. It's a great break for him and he can help a lot of other visually handicapped folks break some barriers.

Yeah! don't get me rambin, when I actually have some work to do ;-) (at least not, when the work I do have to do is somethin I hate doin, like revising all the stuff I learned the last half of the yaer... Is Buddy still around here in the Spring? Well I guess it's often like that, when money is involved... I also would work for Microsoft, but in my heart I still would prefer to work with a Mac,. Anyway, a really great break for him, I must say. Why is it in big D? I thought they were up in big R? Well I hope to read lot's astuff in the various topics, only at the moment I don't have that much time, but I will broowse a bit. See ya around See ya around Nike

Hey, anyone want a free frisbee? http://cgi.pathfinder.com/cgi-bin/gdml2x/game/pathfinder/apc_survey2 will get you one if you answer their plastics survey.

Big, or Dallas, is a tech support location. That's what he's doing, supporting handicapped users. And getting all the free food he can eat!

Don't forget to clue him in on the frisbee!

Autumn... teas (the faves) Tension Tamer Echinecea Ginseng Bengal  SpiceSleepyTime Emporer's Choice

I haven't heard of a couple of those...maybe they're marketed differently in other regions? Like out here we have Edy's ice cream, but on the West Coast it is Dreyer's. And in Europe, Arizona iced tea is called Colorado iced tea (sounds more exotic "Old West" or something, I guess!)

My super favorite in the Bengal Spice... clovey cinnamony yummy! Shame you don't have them. What are your favorites?

New this month in Culture Wars magazine online: http://www.culturewars.com The Kingpins of Drug Legalization: Investigating Their Role in the Culture War by Michael J. Ard Who are the voices crying out for the de-criminalization of narcotics, and what are their real objectives? The answers may surprise you.

My favorite is the mandarin orange spice, but if the Bengal is as good as it sounds, I'll have to look for it. Only I hope it is not too cinnamon-y, because I can't stand their apple cinnamon spice flavor. Or anything with mint.

Thanks Russell, that culturewares site was mentioned in our web conference as a cool website not too long ago. On a less frenetic front, and back to teatalk, I picked up some more chai tea tonight and and hibiscus blend. My two current favorites.

Ooh, hibiscus is yummy!

Hey I just saw that culturewars site, gonna read it now. Oh, Terry, I didnt know you were a Tea Coinsure' You continue to surprise me!

Oh, he's a regular renaissance man.....

Gosh, hey honest, I haven't been making under the table payments to Autumn. That hibiscus is great brewed with fresh grated ginger and sweetened with white grape juice.

Wow--it would never occur to me to doctor tea with anything but honey or fructose. Old family recipe?

I only came into this conference because I saw that was where the current action was. But dagnabbit if I wasn't exposed and affected by the culture oozing from the electrons of Terry's universe. We are headed to Mexico City tomarrow to go an a ancient indian adventure, talk about culture! I will be exposed to a great deal of over the next week or so. We are going to one of the valcanoes and as many pyramids as we can find, hopfully this will become celestinial. Speaking of culture, I hear there is a very cool (Spring Like) site called http://www.boat.org check it out!

Sounds like an incredible outing, Doug!

Hot pepper cheese craving... anyone want to join me?

Sure... Can I put you and the cheese on a Ritz?

you can try... but i won't fit. maybe you sould put the cheese and the Ritz on me!

kinda like a little snack buffet?

*sigh*

is that a sigh of relief or of dispair? (or were you just breathing heavy and got confused?)

drinking my tea, having finished my bagel. Fairly happy today Well, certainly not sad And I read a post from many moons ago that mentioned boyce I associate the name, obviously with the spring, but also with the summer months in Austin. And, all of a sudden, I became really homesick for Austin. My old apartment off of Riverside, runs around Town Lake, late night skates around town stopping in assorted coffee houses to play cards... The smell of the air with humidity. The hot sticky feel after exercising in humidity and sunshine. Riding through the Greenbelt, reading off Mt. Bonnell... To no one in particular... Do you ever feel happy and sad at the same time? Odd how this came up so suddenly.

I guess that's me. Yeah, I feel happy and sad simultaneously. Well I got a contract on a house in Austin today. I now have 10 days to change my mind.

(all the time)

Wow, a house--that's a big commitment, Terry. Sometimes I think ours is a full-time job. Stacey, that happy/sad feeling; sometimes. More commonly I feel a persistent undercurrent of restlessness laying in wait beneath the surface.

yes to all of the above...

congrats on the house Paul! and as far as the brief trip into emotional uncertainty... there's nothing like a class full of rowdy boys to bring you back to the here and now! *smile* and nothing like a beer (or four) to make the day a mere memory!

whew! (spamified) found ramble in another conference... that I'd never checked before two plus years of... rambling. (worn out)

ramble rambles all over about 7 or 8 conferences. Ramble really rambles.

nite, all

afternoon...

Evening, ma'am, hain't seen ya 'round none too much lately. Ya'll okay and all?

fine. busy. frustrated with certain things but nothing catastrophic... you know how it is when you begin to vent... a trickle, a stream, a flood...

yes, I know... but, if I gotta talk to ya'll, then ya'll gotta talk to me *wink*

sure you wanna talk??? *wink*

yep, talk would be the correct verb choice (I'll even sit on my hands in case I forget) *wink-wink*

what should I sit on?!?! *grin*

to keep things "easy", my lap, since we already been there... do we need Terry to do the drivin' this time, or are we just gonna "park" while we talk? *crossing fingers*

okay. In an effort to expand our cultural horizons, let's each choose a different language to speak to each other in. (Kind of the way men and women relate anyway) You may speak whatever you like I choose body language!

No problema, mi amiga.

or, I could pretend you were written in Braille, but since I'm sitting on my hands, not sure how I would read you...couldn't guaranty that there wouldn't be a misunderstanding, you know...

Who is El Nino and what is he/she doing to me?? SUNSHINE..~~~*please!!

My sump pump has been going non-stop, too, Laughing Sky! I can only imagine what Noah went through (or those people in Malibu)

I have to say i feel for all of you who are being washed out. no rain here at least not that much. I will do my (rain please stop dance) for you. I was inducted into an indian tribe don't you know. guess i went to to many pow-wows and drank way to much booze. they named me sly fox with green eyes. by the cherokee nation and running deer by the chawktaws, and smooth as running water by the arapaho, yes I have gone to geronimos grave and even spent a night in his old jail cell. kinda cool. The first time I jumped from a plane I wasn't sure if I should call out his name after i landed I felt kinda of stupid for thinking about it while I was s anding in the door waiting to jump. you would think I would be wondering if my shut would open or not.... you know I think i am finished rambleing thank goodness. drool

Ha! Great story, Drool!:) I wish you would do a SunDance for us all! This LaughingSky's sky hasn't been laughing much, lately - more like, crying!!I can see that Autumn needs a good SunDance, too!~~~*

Definitely! It's below freezing here these days! :-( Spread a little sun this way!

I am hopeing that my sun dance has helped you, because now it is raining like a water spout outside my door there is a flash flood warning in my area. I think maybe I got my dances confused. maybe I called the rain to texas. Did the rain stop for even a little while where you two are at? I really do hope so you don't deserve that kind crud. me Im happy its raining it calms my nerves. besides Im an excelent swimmer. May the forces of creation and BIG CHEIF in the heavens keep you safe and dry. amen.... drool

Autumn, I will start my meditations today to try to get you some warmth. BURRRRRR it must be so cold your way. Try not to get fever. keep bundled up warmth will visit you soon.. drool

Well, the sun's been shining for 2 straight days, and temps are back in the 40s...keep up the good work! Now what can we do about all this mud?

Autumn, All I can tell you about thatone is WEAR BIG BOOTS ON LITTLE FEET. Brother sun will dry the ground, sister earth will give the water to the plants. If there are any others who need help however big or small let me know and I can try to help.. I have connections with the others I never wanted But I got stuck with them, I could put them to use. DROOL

No reponses since the 18th were oh were have all of you gone. does noone have a ramble in there hearts? Drool

Some of us do, but they usually spring from points south...

Hey, drool, don't you hang out in any of the other conferences? Ramble doesn't get much action comparatively...

Helllllooooo? Anybody home? The last posting was a summer ago so I thought Id leave a new one. Kinda like exloring the downtown after dark where the streets are empty except for a few urban explorers.... Its durn cold outside - near 8 degrees with a wind chill well below zero. I sure ain't going out... Guess I'll goof off around the house today. Listen to a little shortwave. Radio NewYork International is on tonite which should be good for a few yuks. The Hammarlund SP600 is older than me but still fires up. Little orange bits of light escape from vacuum tubes adding a warm glow to the cold chassis. Spin the tuning knob. Think about what new tech I wanna follow up on... What old junk a wanna pitch... Where Im gonna be in a couple of years... Yep, a good time to figure all this stuff out.... Happy Gnu Year Mike aka cosmo

Join us on 442.15!

8 degrees! Where are you, Cosmo?

Chicago, I think he said somewhere...

Brrr....How's the weather down there, Tex?

Jess about right...

"You've got mail"...

I saw...

(well, almost)

Chilly, willy. Brrrrr....

And greetings all.... Yep, near Chicago land. The temp is a bit warmer today: 19 degrees... We might actually get above 30 this weekend Woo Hoo! There is plenty of winter wonderland sports up here but I aint gonna go out unless I have to (i.e. work, etc...) I much prefer the warmer climes down south. Not many exciting ramblings to impart.... Hope to make a rave in Chicago soon so that might produce a few tales to tell.... Mike aka Cosmo

hi cosmo, welcome to the spring! i guess you get to spend a lot of time indoors in front of the computer with the weather the way it is up there.

It finally got above freezing today and melted all the ice. The kids were off yesterday and today, and Monday is MLK's birthday so we'll all be sleeping in again...

I hear that you have more on the way.

Cold Rain and Snow! Well, so much for sojourns into the outdoors. Yep, I spend alot of time indoors - some of it even in front of the ol' computer. Now, if I was in Austin, I would probably be at Shady Grove or Crown and Anchor Pub nursing a brewski. Of course, I would fit in a visit to Half Price Books to see if any new texts have shown up and FringeWare to paw through their bins as well. Even though Im cooped up, I have so many potential projects to work on that not many are getting done. Mostly dealing with amateur radio to some degree but there is also SETI research and trying to come up with my own Technomadic model to fashion (see the Technomads postings in 'Radio' in the Spring, of course..). This is turning out to be a nice virtual community and the topics are interesting. How many more days til Summer? Mike aka Cosmo

Uh...kids?

Well, I think about 64 days (give or take a few) till spring and another 90 or so till summer. Lesseee, roughly 154 days till summer starts. If someone wants to be more precise, please correct me as these are top of the head estimates. I'll check out the radio conference thing you mentioned, sounds neat. Glad you're so steeped in local lore. When did you live in Austin?

Welcome Cosmo. I have two sisters in Chicago. I'm so used to warm weather, they insist that I not visit them for Christmas because the last time I did they said I bitched too much about it being 18 degrees. I'm going back up there in Sept. for my niece's wedding. (She's getting married on my birthday.) The C&A is still a good place, especially the Sunday import special. I also recommend Lovejoy's (on Neches just off of 6th St.) Half-Price books is still the best bookstore in town, especially the one on Guadalupe. If you're in Chicago, please don't be a Cub fan. I'm for the Sox.

oh George! You and I would get along famously irl just hanging out in my old fave Austin spots (although we'd have to break for that coffee high every now and then!)

I'd say Book People would give Half Price a pretty good run for the money. That is one of the world's best bookstores.

Book People's pretty good, but my heart belongs to Half Price.

Hi Yall Well, its been down right balmy lately - 30 to 40 degrees and almost hitting 50! Spring is in the air! Well, I have seen Book People when cruising down Lamar (across from Waterloo if my memory does not fail me...) Anyway, I have not ever been there but I will add it to my list next time I visit. I like Half Price - picked up some neat texts there that I doubt I could find elsewhere. I also like Fringe Ware especially since they expanded and have mucho more interesting books, cds, zines, etc. Crown and Anchor is still one of my fave neighborhood taps. Especially when I lived down the street... I also liked 1.5 pint nite at the UT Union (at least it was there back in '89...). I also liked Mad Dogs (RIP) for the food and atmosphere. Anyway, enuf pining... Need to make a trip back in the spring or summer so I can go to Zilker or Hamilton pool and genuinely goof off. Counting the days.... Mike aka cosmo

Balmy, it was downright hot in our house last night. Furshell had me turn on the a/c for a while. Ooops, did i turn it off this morning (not)?

We enjoyed some 60 degree temps this week too, but this weekend it's back down in the 20s. Will the groundhog see his shadow? We're all on tenterhooks...

hi cosmo!

And howdy gang! Well, back again for another installment to the ramble page.... Anyway, been comtemplating just what constitutes an enlightened community and/or work place to be in... Yea, weird topic but its Saturday nite and aint much going on up here in the northern IL burbs. Yawn. For one thing, I think that this medium (i.e. The Spring) is a pretty good starting spot for some enlightened banter. Anyway... One goofy thought was to move out to the desert and set up a modest sized dish and do some combined SETI/radio astronomy research. Small problem in the fact that there are not many good pubs out in the middle of the desert. I still have to post a statement to the technomadics thread over in the radio section. Working up to it. Maybe tomorrow... For starters though, I wonder how those people who made the leap and cut the strings and are now out there roughing while still connected to the net are doing. Seems like an interesting concept but I still have way too much junque (high class junk) to even think about being mobile. Well, off to the radio room to listen to 'The Planet' on 7425 khz and take in that pirate radio vibe for a while. Now, here is a thought... Chicago could sure use a KOOP 'cause the commercial radio choices are high in cereal filler and low on substance. The exception is WNUR (college station) which is about as close to KOOP as we got. Problem is that their power levels dont quite make it well out to the burbs. The other campus stations have even less range - almost gotta be at the campus to here them. Guess I should get real audio loaded on this box so I can get some decent tunes and some 'alternative' broadcasting. Anyway, thats the scoop.... Mike aka _cosmo_

and a very nice scoop it was!

I'm sooo happy Valentine's is over!!!

Come on Mother's Day!!!!

thanks, Autumn, that rank's right up there with Valentine's and New Year's Eve for restaurants...

And Im glad winter's gonna be over soon! Im ready to do some bike riding and pack away the sweat shirts. Although, I have to admit that seeing those big fat snow flakes coming down today was kinda nice in that goofy Halmark greeting card way... Mike aka cosmo BTW, its nice to see some ramble activity too!

well, at least in the appropriate topic...

Ya know, the first baby born in the year 2000 will probably be conceived on April 9, in 47 days from now. Can you imagine the accolades and worship that first born baby in the new millenium will receive? The next Savior? Sweepstakes winner? That baby will be huge! So if you're planning on conceiving, mark your calendars.

Thanks for reminding me to keep celibate.

I say test the product before buying it. But be safe about it!

But you'll probably have to have the baby birthing in Fiji as this will be one of the first places to enter the Millenium and the earth turns. So, book your Fiji flight now, as they may be crowded with Millenium Baby couple wannabes.

Welcome, GreenOne!

Ya know, if the world's travel structure craps out at the Y2K roll over, Fiji sounds like a nice place to be stuck at. Nice beaches....

And a great place to have the birthing of the First Child of the Millenium.

The next meeting of the State Committee of the Socialist Party of Pennsylvania will be Sunday, March 28, 2-4 PM, in the upstairs cafe of Borders Book Shop, 8701 Germantown Avenue, Philadelphia. All are welcome.

You do have socialists in the US? I thought the last resident socialist was gone when Jack London finished himself off? And all others were expats these days?

We have everybody in America, Alexander...

No, you don't! You don't have me, for starters, and I think that's - on a general basis - rather fortunate for me, too. And you don't have others - you drive them out of your country, or you kill them, or put them into containment, etc. "We have everybody in America" - you might fall back on the assumption, that you got some of all sorts, e.g., but not everybody. Or is very everybody is, America (which would explain the unlikely turn of events on all continents). Is that supremat�smo or what! ARRRRRRRGH!

I knew I'd get a good response from you on that!!! *hehe*

(Oh, man, keep on going like that, and you might end up like the last salmon entering my premises!)

tease...

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

(it's easier to subjugate you if you live here...)

Please expand this thought for me. Oh, and aren't you curious what happened to all these innocent fish? I bet you are, and just try to act cool on it. Betcha!

The fish thing is easy...they were fried and served with fries, cole slaw, and tartar sauce...

Hey, bub, I'm not talking yall guys small warm-water shrimp! I'm talking DA SALMON! The BIG one, from Norway, too! AND: we're not talking Sauce Tatar (can't stand the eggs in there). Lemme just say: I used Big One and Finn, the Finn Knife (a genuine Marttiini from Finland), and moved fast, too... Still, expand on your Response 581 for me, if you please.

oh, just generally commenting (in a sarcastic manner, of course) about the United State's habit of Americanizing the world by helping everyone in their times of crisis...

Well, ever been to Germany? Kids here dress up in ways they think very american. If they ever make over to you guys, I bet they'll pop out of every crowd for their, ahem, interesting dress-code. And this time of crisis around, you're not alone - for the first time since the End of the Last Big One (war, that is, not knife or fish...), german military personnel participated in an armed military conflict. "Achtun---k! Wi'rrre backkkk!" Wonder what people make of this... (Might be okay with you, Wer, as they probably soon start issuing cool medals again... Might make http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/collecting/14 more lively... Still, I'm a bit disappointed that you don't even comment my proper use of a Marttiini on a whole fresh salmon... )

(disappointing, unfortunately, is an innate talent of mine, Alexander, so please try not to take offense as it is usually not intentional...)

(But aren't you looking forward to the new batch of german military decorations? Must be some coming ahead, now that we've started killing folks again...)

(some things just aren't worth the cost, you know?)

(Glad you noticed; sorry I tried to tempt ya. Anyway, special offer this week - the official letter of condolence sent by the genuine German Minister of Defense to the first dead-in-action German soldier's family since 1945. Guy was in the Navy, of the Jugoslav coast, and drowned, when his dingy took water... Special Price!!)

(*shudder*...I just hate it when my dingy takes water...)

this post is a test

so far, the tests are working!!!

okay, some of the tests are working... at least it's not a complete flop yet...

and to test again...

check, check, 1...2...3...

4 (hey, that worked...)

1,2,3,4,5... 6,7,8,9,10... 11... TWELVE.... twel..el...el..el.elve! 12!

huh huh huh... testes, testes, one, two, three... uh huh huh huh...

all right Beevis! (howdy ray!! how's it going??? I'm gonna start a how to plan a wedding conference and I want you to go to town posting... okay?)

Is there any marrying going on around this place that I haven't been aware of yet? Test, test - one, two. One two...

So, Ray and Stace, you two gonna tell everyone about your plans? (not with each other, of course, or maybe?) When is the preliminary date set for, Stace?

sorry Alexander... i posted the news in another conference... but here it is... for all to see again... Brandon asked me to be his wife in Berlin! big fat engagement city! WER - sometime between 10-99 and 10-00... mark yer calanders! ,

OH! That - that does it! First you don't buy that bleedin', then you accept his proposal! What do you think this is, fun?

(Which is exactly what is is , Stacey! And congrats, too! Maybe you can make conditions? One could be a lifelong subscribtion to superstar... hehehe!)

I'll try and negotiate that in!

Why don't you get married at the stroke of midnight on y2k. Just think how easy it would be to keep track of how long your were married. Maybe you could time it to be the first marriage of the new millenium, it would be like winning the lottery.

and all the headaches to go with... Paul, regardless of what month we get married, if the wedding is in 2000 it'll be easy to keep track of the years!

Hi! Just checking to see how this thing works!

well... how DOES it work?

(hope you find out before your honeymoon...)

terry is just dying for one of us to be the "millenium couple!" stella and i are planning a march, 2000 wedding. yesterday, i popped the question and gave her a lovely honker of a diamond engagement ring. we've been together for a long time, but i've not "officially" gotten down on one knee and given her a ring. it is done now and we are hopefully well on our way toward someday having some semblance of a normal life!

Hooooooray! Terry, thanks for changing his batteries! What wonderful things he does! Going down on ONE knee! BRILLIANT! And: CONGRATULATIONS! But a few questions - what our reader would like to know is: Ray, what did SHE say? And what is fun about a normal life? And MUST married couples lead NORMAL lifes? (And how exactly do you do that kneecap-thang?) (If that would be the case, somebody shoulda told our Ms. Vura BEFORE getting so impressed by Berlins construction sites, that she fell into this trap!) Sorry, I'm just one of these curious folks.

what did she say? that *is* a good question! she said yes, of course, and was thrilled that i got down on one knee. after living thru a dysfunctional marriage for 7 years and living with stella for over 1 year, and working out of town, i am simply anxious to begin living a normal life with a normal family and a normal type of job. by all means, i feel that this is not required for all couples. its whatever makes you happy that counts.

Ooooops, did I botch? You bet! Still, I'm curious how this "going down" works with one knee... Maybe you could illustrate that for our younger readers (perhaps somewhere in screwed)? Also, now I wonder what a normal job could be... Another screwed entry, perhaps? Do you guys have any kids living with you? Anyway, it looks as if that were something that would make you even more a very happy Ray!

Brandon admits to "stacking the deck" in his favor by proposing at a castle and getting a damned fine ring... a trap?? maybe. But I'm certainly happy to be caught by him! Congrats Ray! All this time I thought you had proposed and were formally engaged... you sneaky guy you!

so did everyone else!

Stacey, maybe you could (puleeeeze) describe the whole thing for once and for all in the Berlin topic in Travel conference - what castle? Charlottenburg? Go for the full details and high resolution option! Ray, do you have kids?

okay... I'll get something together. Reminds me... WER, did I ever send you a user name and password so's I could submit my Front Page docs??

nope...

i shall do that presently then

nope, no kids. that was part of the problem with my first marriage: i wanted kids and she didnt. i want them very badly right now, and stella and i are planning on starting a family!

woo woo!

Ray, I wish you and Stella and the bunch of little starry eyed ratthingies to-be all the best!

anyone else got some family ramblings?

if not, and/or you're really bored, go critique http://access.spring.net/~wer/jobs/ for me...

Hmh, besides the fact that I for some reason completely unknown to me hate frames, not bad. Like the background, feels familiar... There's a typo I love in the resume, so I wanna share it: "ability to prioritize tasks to meat deadlines" is divine!

isn't it just? (can't seem to get away from food, can I?)

Aw, you changed it!

yep...and the more I've thought about it, I should have changed it from "meat deadlines" to "product expiration dates"

Hey, yo, Werby! Thanks for beefing up the website!

you welcome...

Make the borders of the frames go away, maybe?

JFK Jr. is missing. He took off last night to attend a family wedding, follow the events in news topic 30 and pray that he is ok. There is a sliver of hope to hold on to, we'll be putting news on our realaudio server and in our slideshow window. My God, I hope he is alive.

i just read about this on yahoo. jeez, what did this poor family do to deserve such misery? i hope he's ok.

The search continues for the small, light airplane and the four passengers, JFK Jr., his wife, his wifes sister and his flight instructor. Somewhere in the North Atlantic, I hope they're lucky.

Could someone post something on either the News or the Geo conference weather pages (they are linked) about your hurricane and what Austin is experiencing. Please!

Posted! As I said, not much effect here in Austin.

Thanks Terry, I telnetted that post asking for Wx information. I had not found my topic and I needed to log off. I am delighted it go here intact. I think it was one of my maiden posts.

See topic 21 in the vc (virtual community) conference for a letter from some German students seeking to find out about virtual community. Respond to their poll in hte topic if you like.

Let's find our ways to the 'spirit' conference and welcome the newby. Quote: Welcome to the spirit conference. This file may be edited by a fairwitness. 2 newresponse items 46 items numbered 1-46 You are a fairwitness in this forum profound. You have mail. Ok: r Item 1 entered Sun, Sep 7, 1997 (13:14) by Paul Terry Walhus (terry) introductions 1 new of 77 responses total. Topic 1 of 46: 'introductions' Resp 77 of 77: Phil Burton (phi) Sun, Sep 12, 1999 (21:18) 4 lines Hi. I'm Phil. I'm brand new to the Spring, after hearing about it on another conferencing system (the Well). Grew up religious, but now pursue spirituality outside of rigid walls and definitions. Inclined toward Taoism and Zen.

WELCOME PHIL!

Phil may not belong to this conference, best to welcome him in the 'spirit' conference.

that would mean I'd have to walk over there... and I'm lazy... maybe I should jst write my welcome bigger so's he can see it from far away...

New topic in sports. Cricket, topic 47. I don't understand this sport!

It's sports, Terry. See, I don't understand sports.

Cricket is a total mystery.

Terry, if you have any fondness for baseball at all, you will quickly see the similailties with cricket. The only difference is they have two runners running back and forth between the stumps when the ball is hit into the field scoring runs as they go. The truly wicked games are test matches which run 5 days during which you carry your score with you. If you are down 200 runs at the end of the first day, you begin the second day with the same negative number. And, you don't get your turn at bat till th y are all finished their scoring....but I am not an expert in this by any stretch of the imagination...I am just learning, too. It is a very sociable game which goes on for about 5 hours a day...during which the ladies sit in summer frocks with large hats and ribbons blowing in the breezes eating goodies from picnic hampers brought from home filled with great things...There is no sight quite as lovely as seeing cricket played in early summer with the incredibly green pitch (playing area) and the men in t eir all-white uniforms...*sigh*

That's a start. But it's still a mystery.

Same here. Cricket is a great sport, and I love watching it on tv, but I don't get it at all.

Please see Mark's comments on Cricket: http://www.spring.net/yapp-bin/restricted/read/sports/47 but, you'll have to wade through discussions of English food first...from the non-cricket group waiting to be enlightened!

Spring is back up and running after going down last night.

Good! I wondered what happened...

Autumn came but for a day...

It's very autumnlike here today. Cool and windy.

finally the lady from Hawaii envies you your weather. I don't do heat!

Autumn was back?

Alas, not Spring's personification...

Has anybody mailed her, or shall I do it?

I heard from her this morning: Please tell all our fellow springeurs that I will be back this weekend--technical difficulties kept me from posting early this week (though I could read posts). Obviously, that's been corrected and I'll be back with bells on to see what's going one with all of you.

Cool! Looking forward to seeing you again, Autumns!!

YES! Happy news!

They had a rough time with Hurricane Floyd including 72 hours without power. She was hoping it was their Y2K crisis a little early - or at least practice for it...!

They are well! That's all good!

Yes, Indeed!

$hit! Autumn was in a hurricane! Now she'll have to compute by candle light, won't she?

I heard from her by email and she's ok but it sounds like they had a rough week and her isp was down. She should be back this weekend.

Terry, I brought you a present of a new poster for Spring...another Hilo resident who just happens to be Jim Thorpe's youngest daughter. She is a good friend of mine and has a quick and agile mind. A graduate of UCLA (with a year at Northwestern) she was a music major and has major talents in lots of ways. I am sure she will be a versatile addition to the Spring. Welcome, Nancy (Now, go and post something!)

Wow, that's great Marcia.

Now...to get her to post...and to find enough time after work. But, she will definitely be here - she already has her login name. She said she could easily see how I spent over 12 hours a day logged in to Spring...the truth, in fact.

I have not given up on Nancy Thorpe (Ahia) but she has not been on for some weeks. May have to resort to land line to see how she is doing. I also might have to make a house call to bet her new computer up to speed and to show her how to use it.

have nancy continue to email me

Ok! Thanks, Terry!

It may be some kind of routing problem with our backbone provider. Have her do a traceroute to spring.net and see where it ends up.

I shall, but I think she is probably going to have to clear the old bookmarks first Methinks she is still trying to acces through the old ip. But, if not we'll do the traceroute and see what we get.

If we can find her ip address of her provider, we can do a traceroute to her from our site and find out where the bottleneck is or if there is one at all. That will resolve the question of whether she's using the old bookmarks.

I have already taken care os several ladies who have emailed me that their browsers are not opening Spring files. Invariably, when they send me the URL they are using, it is the old IP. I correct it for them and they applaud the swiftness with which they can access things on Spring now. It take a little while to get the word out to those who have been absent for a while. I'm working on it from my tiny little prospective, but it gets a few more each day.

We've still got a lot of glitches in our system, one of which is that a lot of gifs were stored in the user directory called cfadm. I created a new directory called /cfadm and put all these files in here. Now I have to grep and replace all the old references to these files. The same with the /~bayou and /~terry and /~spew directories, this is clogging up our error_log file with messages like these: [Wed Feb 16 18:33:17 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~terry/cap.jpg tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:33:28 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~terry/cap.jpg [Wed Feb 16 18:33:31 2000] [error] [client 207.12.4.189] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~cfadm/a/findamazon.gif tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:33:32 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~bayou/wolf-moon4.jpg [Wed Feb 16 18:33:33 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~spew/art/11.gif tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:34:44 2000] [error] [client 207.12.4.189] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~cfadm/a/findamazon.gif tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:34:45 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~bayou/wolf-moon4.jpg [Wed Feb 16 18:34:45 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~spew/art/11.gif tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:35:00 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~bayou/wolf-moon4.jpg [Wed Feb 16 18:35:00 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~spew/art/11.gif tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:35:10 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~spew/art/11.gif [Wed Feb 16 18:35:10 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~bayou/wolf-moon4.jpg [Wed Feb 16 18:35:13 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~spew/art/11.gif [Wed Feb 16 18:35:13 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~bayou/wolf-moon4.jpg tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:36:43 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~spew/art/11.gif [Wed Feb 16 18:36:43 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~bayou/wolf-moon4.jpg tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:36:56 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~spew/art/11.gif [Wed Feb 16 18:36:56 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~bayou/wolf-moon4.jpg tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:36:56 2000] [error] [client 207.12.4.189] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~cfadm/a/findamazon.gif tail: /usr/bbs/resplog: No such file or directory [Wed Feb 16 18:37:29 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~spew/art/11.gif [Wed Feb 16 18:37:29 2000] [error] [client 151.201.61.36] File does not exist: /home/sprin5/virtual_html/~bayou/wolf-moon4.jpg

It will take a while, but eventually we'll get these glitches fixed. Anyone want to join the glitch fixing team?

What do we do? (I'll do anything for Spring if I know what I am doing...)

I fixed my title page in Geo...Wolf should have no trouble with hers... I offered to help her, even...*sigh*

Hey, Terry, it is easy. I got my amazon back on by removing the tilde from cfadm in the image source URL. Easy! Shall I do the rest???

Sure, do it!

Well, I tried in springark and nothing changed. I tried in Paraspring where I am not a host and my changes were refused. Suggestions?

Yep, get on the host list.

I shall ask her permission - I think only she should do it...stepping on toes and all that... Thank you!

I believe most of paraspring's graphics problems have been resolved now.

Thank you. Wolfie will be delighted when she logs in. Do you still think If I download and use FrontPage I will be able to restore my graphics? They are all over Spring including in Spring gallery, travel, and assorted other places.

As near as I can tell, not everything on the old servers made the move. There are certain directories that I have discovered are not here now. I do not know it the same applies to individual files or not.

Several of us have decided to leave those "where an image should be" there until someone requests its appearance. Since I am one of those strange people with the complete files of responses and image urls, I can easily look it up and either post it again if it is worthy, or just send it in email to the curious reader. Do I really need FrontPage to work with Geo and other things around Spring?

I do not have it so I am not the one to ask.

I am World Builder again. Yippee! You cannot imagine (or maybe you can) how happy that makes this little person. That answers my question, thank you. Not going to bother with FrontPage for now, anyway.