Austen conference volunteer assignments

Here are some specific assignments for anyone who wants to help. Just leave a message saying what you will do and I will update this list to indicate tasks that still need doers. Thanks. For the Unix team Get in to the prompt with your new username and password from the Telnet link at the Spring's welcome screen. Or telnet in via your own means to ftp www.spring.com Type bbs and scope it out, get familiar with Yapp in the shell. See a command list by typing help commands at the OK prompt Read the Yapp conference messages detailing the Spring's trials with the initial set-up of Yapp. Read the Yapp conference to figure our how we can do what another non-Spring Yapp user asked about: configuring variables such as: wallpaper to be different for our conference than they are for the other conferences; how to implement new button links that may be use ul only for our conference, like one for since -1 or "Today's posts." That is enough for right now. Terry's going to get me a Yapp admin manual soon, and I will distribute it to those who want it. For anyone Be the regular or temporary correspondent between our HELP! topic and the Yapp conference. Email me for details or better still, so everybody knows what is going on, ask questions about the job here. My idea is to spare Dave, the Yapp developer, our rants about Yapp, since the Yapp conference goes to all his clients. Nobody said we had to do this, but I think if I were Dave I would not like my clients to hear all the complaints from my other clients' users. You know? Get the old board's archives from Anna (see archive thread) and make sure all our lost buddies know how to get here Sign up to brains orm with me about how to handle/leverage the advantage of the austen.com domain. Having it rather gives us the obligation, I think, to be a front door for other Austen resources on the net, but we need to caucus about how to do it. I'd like to ask Henry and two others to volunteer to help Terry and me do this planning. HTML coders: lots of things to do including incorporating Pat (Anne's) age and location table into the existing ut sadly abandoned bio pages. Would like a bio coordinator to chop down the bio questions making each record much shorter, and incorporating Anne's info. Plan for a cgi form for future. Indians would format new addi ct info. Whew. That should get us started. Amy

Rebecca, Many of us would adore seeing a first-person account of why you (as Lizzy) chose the Darcy you chose in the Dating Game the other night in the drawing room. Post in best of chat if you have time. And any other accounts from players or audience members, please. No log? Amy

Amy - You know that you can count me in on this! I'm going to telnet over there right now and check it out from that perspective.

That was fast, Kaff. You are a dear.

Amy: I will gladly volunteer for the HTML assignments. Learning the YAPP shell sounds like fun - but maybe over my head at the moment. How available do you want that table? How about we put that in a controlled directory rather than out for whole net to see?

] How available do you want that table? How about we put that in a controlled directory rather than out for whole net to see? ____ What does everyone else think? What sort of protection would you introduce, katy? Could be anything on a continuum from not making it available to bots, to a password.. Amy

The only protection I know of is the sort of directory protection used on this conference center. Perhaps, in the beginning, we make it only available by e-mail and one of us reviews the requests for it, so we can feel some confidence we are not sending it to list brokers. That is a lot of information to put on the net - names, ages, adresses, interests - about a lot of people.

Amy, I'll start looking at the Yapp conference right away. I'll probably reserve some of this for Monday when I return to the office and have faster access. Myretta

Amy, I have made a quick foray into the Yapp shell and can only say that an admin manual would be greatly appreciated. I will continue to browse through the bbs. I've learned from nastier interfaces. I will probably hold off until Monday to continue my perus al. Let me know if there is anything specific you would like me to concentrate on. Myretta

Amy, are you going to link this to the projects conference?

] Amy, are you going to link this to the projects conference? __________ Terry, yes, I did and it works beautifully. See my comment about linking in the communitiies conference. BTW, after we lost each other, I sent you email explaining what I saw happen with the meeting connection.

OK. I see you did (I should have come here first to projects and looked). You have mastered the art of linking topics across conferences I see!

What happened was that my modem dropped carrier. I'm still showing you in the NetMeeting Window as connected and I expect you to pop onto my desktop any moment.

Sure Amy, I wouldn't mind if the http://www.austen.com/ start-up page had links to the Jane Austen info page and the Pride and Prejudice hypertext, and I would also link back to it... (But actually, I'm shut out of the uts.cc.utexas.edu account for the next few days or so...)

Amy, I tried last night to telnet in to Spring, but it would not accept my password (or something).

Email me and I'll reset it to whatever you want. Did you telnet://www.spring.com or telnet://spring.com You only have access so far to the first.

I did e-mail you last night. Didn't you receive it? It did not bounce back to me. I used www.spring.com - and got the login prompt, but could not get farther.

Amy and Friends: One have a spare moment here to post before I head off to work. I have been involved in school work, and work all weekend, therefore I haven't had a chance to keep up-to-date. As soon as I have more time (tomorrow), I will update every one on the dating game.

Amy & Terry, I tried telneting to www.sprint.com, but couldn't log in either. Do I use my usual account/passwd ? Zimei

Hi Amy, I'm ready and eager to pitch in wherever needed. Should have my very own little home computer set up this week. A Mac. Can't wait. Anyway, till then, do you have enough brains to storm with about austen.com? It's so exciting, like we're pioneers or something heading out to uncharted territory. OK, I'm coming unglued. I know it. I like it. -Arnessa.

Oops, Zim, I knew I was forgetting someone. Sorry it was you.

] Anyway, till then, do you have enough brains to storm with about austen.com? ______ No and I would like to have your opinion about it. Maybe you or HC could work out which of you could be the emissary to Austen-L. Thanks. Amy

Yes, I'll get in touch with HC, Amy. Oh, and Amy. I volunteer to get archives from Anna and track down old friends. I can get started on that right away with my current email from work. And it sounds like a fun job. Reminds me of a Girl Scouts' song: "Make new friends, but keep the old. One is silver and the other gold." You sing it in rounds... nevermind. -Arnessa

Arness, thanks for accepting the notification job. And I am afraid I do know that round.

To anyone who has a problem with their shell/telnet account: Email me and I'll fix it. mailto:terry@spring.com

Amy, as I said in my very lame e-mail, I'll do anything that I can't mess up...if you need "more brains to storm" re: the new domain (to borrow Arnessa's words), I'd like to try to help you there... - K

Good, Kal, then we have our team. Some god brains.Thanks. Amy

Good, Kal, then we have our team. Some good brains.Thanks. Amy

] The only protection I know of is the sort of directory protection used on this conference center. Perhaps, in the beginning, we make it only available by e-mail and one of us reviews the requests for it, so we can feel some confidence we are not sending it to list brokers. That is a lot of information to put on the net - names, ages, adresses, interests - about a lot of people. _______________ Let's ask Terry's advice about this. Security is his new specialty. Terry how would you protect us? We have not been stalked much. I think it is because we seem to sure of ourselves. Bullies don't wish to mess with us. At least that is a belief I like to hold. Still, though, one can't be too careful. Amy

I love you guys. This time yesterday I put this topic up and already all kinds of people are raising their hands. Update: - We have our austen.com brainstorming team: Arnessa, Kali, me Terry (and HC you are recruited whether you like it or not) - Katy will take over the bios, including working with me and Terry to find a safe place for them - Uniix team is starting to explore. Will have the manual available this week. - Arnessa will contact old friends to point them over here. Anyone who has email addresses that may not appear in the archives, please forward them to her - Cheryl, you want to be the team leader for ongoing maintenance jobs -- thread cleaning and moving, obscenity and manners patrol -- once the unix team figures out how to make this thing work? Amy

] - We have our austen.com brainstorming team: Arnessa, Kali, me Terry (and HC you are recruited whether you like it or not) ___ Oh and of course, Joan, my alter-conscience-soundingboard-realitychecker-bigsister. Amy

You want protection? I'm about to embark on a six week course in website security from the recognized expert in this area. So, I'm hoping this team can fill the gap of helping build the website. My time is going to be totally sucked up into this security project pretty soon. But I remain committed to helping this team and this conference succeed in every way I possibly can. New teams members, please email me for a shell account username and password. It is also possible to create private conferences on this website. And if we need this I'll be happy to create one that will require member status to visit.

To be more precise: "my alter-conscience-soundingboard-devil's-advocate-playing-realitychecker-bigsister."

Amy, count me in for organizing the maintenance crew, but do you really know what you're asking for putting me in charge of the "obsenity and manners patrol"? Why just last night I was accused, in the chat room, of "discarding my values as I would out-o f-date shoes"!

when I brought up security - I was only thinking about scecurity for the bios. I am not afraid to have a lot of info about me on the WEB, and I cannot imagine that many of the gang is afraid of that. It is having information about maybe over a hundred people in one easily accessible place that makes me uneasy. I am beginning to like the idea of a password protected directory within austen.com. Who gets a password (or the password) becomes an admin. task.

] Katy: I am beginning to like the idea of a password protected directory within austen.com. Who gets a password (or the password) becomes an admin. task. I, too, like this idea - while many of us may not mind having their info available, we do have members who are still minors, and even if their parents don't mind, I do not like the idea (or the potential liability?) of having personal info on minors freel y available to anyone on "our" site.

Amy and/or Terry, Do you have the admin manual in readable format (or a give me a clue how to get it that way). I have downloaded it from Dave Thaler's site (as I whined about in the Yapp conference), but neither of my versions of UNIX recognize the format (I assume it's compressed - maybe not). Anyway, I await it or an answer with baited breath (or it's internet equivalent). This has been a confusing two days. I am glad to see the Spring back up and was pleased to find a stopping place on bluemarble. Please forgive any whining - it's been that kind of a day. And any typos. I'm trying to do this around a fairly large cat. Myretta

Myretta, I believe it is readable by Adobe Acrobat - is there not a Unix version of the Acrobat reader? I would go back and check at that site, but I don't know where to find the original reference to it. (Sure do miss those back-to-the-original links a t Bluemarble!) The format, if I recall, is PDF - Portable Document Format - so it is supposed to be readable in some way on any kind of machine.

Just found the link to the manual over in yapp - looked at it again - it is, indeed compressed in an unfamilliar (to me) format, but when I DLed it on my Mac at home, I just dropped it on StuffIt Expander and it unpacked it with no problem. Not sure what that means for you in Unix, though.

Links are back up on the old page now

Myretta, I had the same problem and noted it in the Yapp conference. Maybe Dave or Terry or the person who posted the manual URL can help us sort out the problem.

Joan, do you have the capability of converting it to html and ftping it to an area on our website?

Good idea. Terry are you around? I have some two more unix dream team members' info I need to get to you. Can all the names I gave you have file permissions set to edit all the files in the conference directory including new topic files as they are create d?

Arnessa and Kali, you both sent email today about the austen.com brainstorming team. Net Meeting would be nice but Joan and Henry can't do it. Why don't we kick ideas around the easy way. I'll just set up a distribution list and we'll do it email. Try to get to that tonight. Arnessa, any objection to my distributing your note today to all in the gang: HC, me, Joan, Kali?

You have these permissions now. Before you any anthing, make a backup and be careful. It is easy to mess up these files and wipe out a whole topic. Take it from one who has done it.

In the immortal words of Emily Litella, "Never mind". I checked with a UNIX pal and she says she will email the address to get the utility to unzip the file in UNIX. She says she thinks it's on the MIT site and is gnuzip or something like that. Anyway, as soon as I have it(which should be tomorrow), I'll post it here.

We have gunzip on www and on barton. You can do it in a telnet session.

] Joan, do you have the capability of converting it to html and ftping it to an area on our website? Well, I might, but I have not yet learned how to work any conversion to html tools, and it would probably be the

Rats! Long live Emily Litella! (Anyone know what I could be typing into these text entry windows that is completely invisible but causes the text to be truncated? I wish I knew what to try to avoid!)

] You have these permissions now. ___ Terry, hate to keep asking this, but I still can't write to the topic files past a certain number. Isn't there I way you can grant the team global permissoin to write to files -- even newly created ones? Or is this something you'd like our Unix heads to l ook into for you? Here's an ls -la (see, I know only enough Unix to be dangerous) of the /usr/bbs/confs/austen dir: Amy

Myretta or Joan, I was able to unzip the admin manual at the prompt here (by finding gunzip with which gunzip) but I don't have anything on hand with which to read a PS file, except maybe an old version of PageMaker, but that won't do me much direct good. Could o ne of you email me the manual as an ascii file attachment. Then I will put it up here as a web page, maybe just in [pre][/pre] format for now, but it will be a start. Amy

Sounds like a plan, Amy...let's get crackin'... -K

Katy, Let's hold for a week on the bios/age/location chart and let Terry get his feet wet with security issues. Then maybe he will be able to propose some ways to hid our personal info. Meantime, I hate to make your willingness to do HTML work wait. Want to start on Roger's scrapbook page of Lyme Hall pictures. He will be writing something to go with them.

Amy, Terry -- I finally logged in under the shell account... Terry, I didn't find the telnet BBS interface to be all that intuitive, sorry -- I think I'll pretty much stick to the Web (though if I could use the telnet to delete mistaken messages, that would be useful...) Also, I had problems because the backspace character was set to ^H instead of ^?, and I couldn't fix my configuration files to set this in stty because the only editor that is available is VI, and I rigidly refuse to devote any brain cells to learning VI (I've been using EMACS since 1988 -- the only VI command I know is ESC-Z-Z), sorry I'm not religiously compatible... Amy, I looked at ~amy/aust_admin/admin_guide.ps and that is NOT a PDF file, it's a raw PostScript file, so that Adobe Acrobat Reader will NOT be able to read it. What you need is a full postscript interpreter -- you can get one at ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/aladdin/gs403w32.zip (32-bit Windows executable) ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/aladdin/gs403fn1.zip (Fonts #1) ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/aladdin/gs403fn2.zip (Fonts #2) ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/aladdin/gs403ini.zip (Non-executable support and configuration files) These ar BIG because a full postscript interpreter has to be pretty elaborate..

We need to get that file converted to html. Anyone volunteer for this tasks? Joan? Does anyone have Pagemaker? If you have the new Pagemaker it will load that file and you can write it back out as an html file.

Mysterious HC, all you have to do in telnet is type bbs. Then type r for read, n for next, and r for respond after you've read something you want to comment on. And you can set your editor to pico if vi is an anaethma to you.

Thanks H. Terry, how do you set the editor to pico. Joan was trying to do it last night and had some troubles. I have never done such a thing at all.

You have a file in your home directory called .profile. It should look like this: bash$ cat .profile PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/contrib/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/new:/usr/local:/usr/games:/usr/old:/usr/sbin. export PATH HOME TERM EDITOR=/usr/contrib/bin/pico Note the last line.. Just add this to your .profile directory and add /usr/contrb/bin to your PATH statement.

But you won't have to do anything, because I already reset your .profile file and you should have pico as your default editor. Actually, your .profile file looked *nothing* like the above file at all. It is much more elaborate.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for the pico.

Test it and see if it works.

] possible to create private conferences on this website. ___ I can think of a couple people who might want to take advantage of that feature.

] Test it and see if it works. __ Terry, I am a little embarrassed to admit it, but I am still kind of going around in circles at the prompt here. I know I accidentally got into VI when trying some command or other from the help commands listing the other day, but darned if I can get there now. Thanks, though, for changing my editor to Pico. It is much more comfortable for me. My main orientation/first step stumble remains my inability to edit topic files beyond the first few. I do so wish I could do that. Amy

I may be completely jumping on the wrong bandwagon, so feel free to correct me but Corel Wordperfect (v.3.5 for the Mac, I think it's v.7 for a PC) is supposed to be HTML friendly. BTW, I'm prepared to help with HTMLising documents. Still a novice but willing to learn.

I may be completely jumping on the wrong bandwagon, so feel free to correct me but Corel Wordperfect (v.3.5 for the Mac, I think it's v.7 for a PC) is supposed to be HTML friendly. BTW, I'm prepared to help with HTMLising documents. Still a novice but willing to learn.

I've just tried practising what I've preached. Took a random text file, opened it in WP, edited it, saved it as an HTML export and managed to open it in Netscape's editor. Looked OK. Unfortunately, couldn't get into www.spring.com via telnet. Joan, perhaps you can E�mail me the manual either in pdf or text format (I have Adobe Acrobat). I should manage to do something with it then. Do you think this will work?

I think we need someone with Pagemaker to tackle this Bernie. If you email me with the name and password you need, I can help to set you up. mailto:terry@spring.com I need some help with Children's Story. I'm not happy with at all. I played around with resizing the gifs so they fit better on a tv screen now. But this needs more spark and pizzazz. Anyone want to help me tackle this? Check out the topic called 'childrens story' in the project conference. Amy, I set it up so pico is your default editor and I posed your question about permissions to Dave. I have no idea why it won't let you work on certain number ranges and not others. That doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe I'm missing some specifics. See my comment in the yapp conferece about this ok. I bumped www.austen.com up to 36mbs of memory and we're installing NT 4.0 over again today. I need a bigger hard drive than 500mbs for this machine. Eventually, it will also be the site of Children Story and tvpc and a realaudio server (which we can have fun with). I'd like to get to start knowing everyone on the dream team a lot better and find out who has what skills in what areas.

It is very important (essential) that everyone who has a shell account create a .forward file in this format: \terry,terry@yourhome.com Where the first name is your username here and the second is where you normally get your email. If you need help with this, I'll be glad to pitch in and help.

create a .forward file ___ Done

Should it have to have a backslash and everything? On the systems here, a .forward file consists of only the address to be forwarded to...

Strange as it may seem, a forward, dos style slash is what you use. This was not a typo. Defies logic, doesn't it?

Getting there with the manual. Got it unzipped here, Myretta kindly mailed me a PS reader. Terry, where is kermit? Or don't you have it?

I have the professional version of Adobe Acrobat at work, which will convert postscript files to .pdf format. I'll convert it tomorrow. Terry - Is (or can you make) the reader available for download here? I haven't checked yet, but I assume that the manual is big enough that .pdf format would be preferable to html.

The reader already is available for download in the apps conference. Has anyone here visited the 'apps' conference? It's an amazing collection of topics on Internet tools. Over 300 tools and topics here. This is a virtual candy store! We're getting closer and closer to unlocking that manual. Let;'s get that thing converted to postscript and put it up on the website somewhere. We can have our cake and eat it too, now can't we.

Kaff, it's 36 pages, could go either way. I'd vote Acrobat, though. I don't know if you will have the same trouble I had. I tried to copy the text page by page (the only way available in RoPS) and it did not read in too well, kind of fuzzy. But I guess going from straight PS direct to Acrobat won't present a problem. How nice it is to have all you guys willing to help -- and with such great resources too.

Well, it all just became a moot point, because I just found the manual online! Check out http://workshop.matisse.net/yapp/oug/

I'm not sure that this is the same manual we've been talking about. This may be more of a users manual as opposed to an administrators manual.

Boy do I hate not getting here till it's almost bedtime for everyone else and all of the action is over! :-( I guess that it's safe to ignore all of the manual questions, etc, since Kaff seems to have it under control? I do have Pagemaker but it's only the 4.2. (1992) version. Terry said: Actually, your .profile file looked *nothing* like the above file at all. It is much more elaborate. Terry, are you sure that will work? It looks to me as if you are using a different shell than we are. Sometimes things like this are the same in different shells, but some are different. The editor statement that we got as defalut says: EDITOR=vi; export EDITOR while yours says: EDITOR=/usr/contrib/bin/pico So the format doesn't look as if it's the same. Joan, too

Joan, in Unix the semicolon means "begin a new command" it's actually equivalent to a linebreak. I use tcsh, and all I have to say is: setenv EDITOR /usr/contrib/bin/pico in my .cshrc

] HC: setenv EDITOR /usr/contrib/bin/pico This is how it is done in my Netcom account, too - but will it work in this shell? I don't see any other instances of "setenv" in my .profile file.

The French language material deserves its own topic. Would someone like to take the time to find the relevant messages, mostly in the Introduce yourselves topic, collect them and plop them in a new thread?

Well, I, too, created a forward file, but it does not seem to be forwarding the mail to my other address. I sent myself a test message from here, and then I sent one from there to here. Both messages arrived at their destinations, but the one that should have been forwarded from here, did not go back to the other address - however, a very unexpected thing did happen. When the message from there to here arrived here, it was immediately displayed in my telnet session in the middle of whatever else was going on - I mean the text and everything! Is it possibe that that .forward file is forwarding the message out of Pine into the Telnet sesion? In any case, it seems to be ignoring the other address that is entered there.

Oops - I just tried to exit and got the following: Ok: ^Z%2 Stopped www.spring.com$ exit You have stopped jobs. www.spring.com$ What does that mean? And what should I do about it? I may have to do something ungraceful to get out!

Heaven, yes, Kaffeine. The manual at the URL you cited is good, all cross linked and includes Yapp sysop and Unix administrator help. Thanks for preventing us from reinventing the wheel. Only thing I didn't check out was what version it all refers to and whether there is much on the web implementation of it. But it looks like a great place to start.

Joan, I'll try sending you a test mail and see if it gets to you. Your .forward file looks ok. I'm still not sure the two manuals are the same. Matisse s manaul is posted here also, but it's been around for a while and I believe the postscript manual is a newly minted, comprehesive administrators guide. We could ask Dave or Kaylene.

Joan - setenv works for csh/tcsh The set/export method is used in sh/ksh/bash If you're used to csh or tcsh (tcsh is much better in my opinion...) you can change permanently to it by using the "chsh" command. You can change temporarily into it by just typing csh or tcsh at the command prompt. ``Suspended jobs'' means you pressed control-Z somewhere, so the program did not exit, but is merely suspended. It's best to go back to the programs and properly quit from them. I don't know how you go back to suspended jobs in sh, but in csh/tcsh, merely type the command % (percent sign by itself on command-line).

You can try typing fg to go back to a suspended job. Usually it won't hurt to leave a process suspended. It will eventually wash out. Henry and I just posted simultaneously.

Myretta, much to my relief and gratitude, has agreed to coordinate the so-called UNIX team, called so because it is a team exploring the possibilities of Yapp, and one has to be semi-comfortable at the prompt to see what is going on. She will be starting some getting-started talk via email. The austen.com planning team will start its own email talks, starting with some notes from Arnessa appended with some notes of my own. See email distribution lists for both committees: Here. I will put the link on the main conference page too.

Just in case they (manual on the web and postscript manual) are different (and I haven't checked yet, but they certainly look similar) here's the file in Adobe Acrobat format: http://www.worldrch/com/docs/admin.pdf

Oops! Let's try that link with the correct URL! Sorry! http://www.worldrch.com/docs/admin.pdf

Thanks for doing that conversion, Kaff. I don't use Acrobat much. Just upgraded to the 3.0 reader. So maybe my mistakes will help others. When I just clicked "regular" on the link my Acrobat ap opened and I got some kind of error message about a plug in. I was able to download the file by right clicking --- I know Joan, I know, it's not my fault that you Mac -- and choosing "Save Target As..." in Microsoft Internet Explorer for Win 95. DL took a little over 2 minutes at 14.4 Thanks again. Now let's see if I can open it! Amy

One word about the dsyntax of setting environment variables in various unix shell: csh/tcsh: (init file is .cshrc for csh, I think tcsh too) setenv EDITOR /usr/local/bin/emacs sh/ksh: (init file is .profile; note env var needs to be exported explictly) EDITOR=/usr/local/bin/emacs; export EDITOR bash: (init file = .bashrc) export EDITOR=/usr/local/bin/emacs To know what shell you are running, type "echo $SHELL" at the command line. BTW Amy, did you receive my email a few days ago ? I still can not login. Zimei

Zimei, email me and I'll fix you up with a username and password, or, if you already have a username, I'll set your password. OK?

I wish I had more time to respond to a lot of the things said but I'm rushing off to get access.spring.com back on line so I'll be out of pocket all day. If anyone needs to get a shell account straightened out, email me at mailto://terry@spring.com And I'll fix it! I'll be back online later tonight or tomorrow.

] Terry: Joan, I'll try sending you a test mail and see if it gets to you. Thenks Terry - if you have done so, it has not yet arrived. (I haven't checked here yet.) BTW, how can I prevent incoming mail from interrupting what I am doing to display itself in complete detail, all unbidden? This is most disruptive behavior on the part of e-mail messages - I have enough trouble figuring out what I am doing in Unix without such interference! ] HC: If you're used to csh or tcsh you can change permanently to it by using the "chsh" command. Thanks HC - I may do this I am used to csh - to the extent that I am used to any shell (which is indeed limited). ;-) ] HC: ``Suspended jobs'' means you pressed control-Z somewhere, so the program did not exit, but is merely suspended. Ah, indeed I did - to get out of "bbs" mode. I suppose I should have tried quitting or something instead. Or !sh? !something, anyway. ] Terry: You can try typing fg to go back to a suspended job. This rings a very small bell ever so faintly...

Arnessa, I've twice tried to send you an email re addresses in the archives using your 'tag' here and had it bounced by the postmaster@globe as unknown addressee, and unfortunately i've misplaced your earlier email. Would you please email me again. thanks A

I wandered in here by accident...this is a scary place...

Here be Dragons.

Anna, see a better address for her on the new Committee Email link from the main Austen conference page here.

Anybody know much about Java? Katy you said you were studying it. Mich, I think you said you were going to read up on it over the holiday. Terry, it will probably play a part in security issues -- no? Anyway, I noticed at tvpc.com there is a Java back button that does not seen to screw up the page here in Yapp when you return. Of course, it would only work for pages we make ourselves, but worth putting on the list for a look see? Probably way down the list.

Sure, that's a neat way to keep folks captive on your site. Otherise, they click away to never return.

No kidding, Cher!

Katy, the first of Roger's photographs are in my public_html directory here: /~amy/Pempix*.jpg Just got more today. When you are ready for them let me know and I will either email them or put them up as with the first batch. Amy

"Anybody know much about Java?" Well, my sister is writing a book about it... "Jumping JavaScript" book is more universal: it's for Mac, Windows 95, UNIX. Not sure how much she is up for being used as a resource, though. I seldom ask her, because I can never understand her answers, anyway [grin] (THat is a reflection on my lanck of wherewithal to understand it, not her explanations)

I've read through most of the responses thus far, and though I'm far too much of a novice to offer any skills in Unix, Perl, or even HTML, I *do* have a battery of graphics applications and viewers including Photomagic, Paint Shop Pro, KeyView and Pagemaker5. If any of these are of use to you or you want graphics processed, sized and e-mailed back, just let me have the file and the spec and I'd be glad to do it. Sorry I can't offer more, but what I can do I'll be only to ready to do.

WE could use yoru critdal faculties on our http://www.childrenstory.com website which is a supporint project here.

I went over to austen.net and made sure that the dedicated austen.com domain and the golftravel.net domains were set up on the NT Server. I had to resubmit the change of ip address to the Internic. So look for these domains to start resolving correctly early next week. Until the names resolve, Amy will be able to ftp website content to http://207.113.199.71 or http://www.austen.com when the Internic puts out the new name golftravel.net is 207.113.199.71

barton:~ whois bastrop.net Bastrop Internet Services (BASTROP2-DOM) Rt 1 Box 564 Cedar Creek, TX 78612 USA Domain Name: BASTROP.NET Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Holman, Richard S (RSH13) Administrator@BASTROP.NET (512) 303-7268 Record last updated on 19-Dec-96. Record created on 15-Aug-96. Domain servers in listed order: DNS.BASTROP.NET 207.113.199.10 DNS2.BASTROP.NET 207.113.199.70 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. barton:~ whois austen.com Jane Austen Conference on the Spring (AUSTEN-DOM) Rt 2 Box 56R Cedar Creek, TX 78612 USA Domain Name: AUSTEN.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Walhus, Paul (PW30) terry@SPRING.COM 512/310-9903x1044 Record last updated on 01-Dec-96. Record created on 24-Nov-96. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.CRL.COM 165.113.1.36 NS2.CRL.COM 165.113.1.37 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. barton:~ whois golftravel.net Golf Travel (GOLFTRAVEL2-DOM) 940 Camille Ln Alamo, CA 94507 USA Domain Name: GOLFTRAVEL.NET Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Walhus, Paul (PW30) terry@SPRING.COM 512/310-9903x1044 Record last updated on 06-Dec-96. Record created on 09-Sep-96. Domain servers in listed order: DNS1.SPRING.COM 208.199.212.2 DNS2.SPRING.COM 208.199.212.3 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. barton:~

Terry, you up? Come on over to Kaff's drawing room.

Terry, you up? Come on over to Kaff's drawing room.

OK.

Would anybody be up for taking on the job of working with me to collapse some of these topics? Now that we have a clue how to edit topic files, it's time to start doing some clean up here. No experience required. We will start slow and learn as we go.

May I be of assistance. Will have to learn from scratch.

Great! Love to work with you. Lets set up a time to talk in the Solicitor's office tomorrow. I have a deadline today that I am busy procrastinating for. When is usually a good time for you, Johanne?

Between 10 and 3 eastern tomorrow exceptionnaly.

Okay, how about 1 eastern?

It's a date, at Pemberley?

Fri at 1 then we have revised. Right?

Okydoky

Amy -- I think If we do anything that would cause messages in a topic to be renumbered, it would foul things up elsewhere in the system (for those people who haven't suffered all is new, that is...)

Messages to be renumbered... trouble __ True. But we have to do something. People are afraid to come here, it looks so intimidating. I hear it more and more every day. I may start by just freezing some topics that have not been posted to in a while.

Messages to be renumbered... trouble __ True. But we have to do something. People are afraid to come here, it looks so intimidating. I hear it more and more every day. I may start by just freezing some topics that have not been posted to in a while.

Messages to be renumbered... trouble __ True. But we have to do something. People are afraid to come here, it looks so intimidating. I hear it more and more every day. I may start by just freezing some topics that have not been posted to in a while.

Messages to be renumbered... trouble __ True. But we have to do something. People are afraid to come here, it looks so intimidating. I hear it more and more every day. I may start by just freezing some topics that have not been posted to in a while.

Wow! a quadruple hiccup!

]I may start by just freezing some topics that have not been posted to in a while. the other group that could be safely deleted is those topics that alert people to an upcoming event that has now passed, and has not generated any discussion since; mostly alerts for cable tv showing of various movies. Alternatively maybe they could be moved into a new forum Austen Archives (or similar) for the truly keen. (having just paged through all the topics as a recent victim of 'old is new')

Amy - It occurs to me that when we switch to austin.com we have a real opportunity to control the chaos. We could decide on specific topics beforehand and then limit topic creation. Rather than everyone being allowed to create a topic, we could have a "Topic Suggestion" topic, which would keep the number of topics to a minimum. When are we looking at going live with austin.com?

I am not sure we will move this part, Kaff. The austen.com planning has been stalled in favor of working out some of the basic sysadmin issues, but we can begin to move forward now, I think.

Well, then - How about deciding which existing topics to keep and then archiving and deleting the rest? I think that over 100 topics is definately over the top. It seems to me that we could have a couple of dozen topics which would not be nearly as intimidating as coming in for the first time and seeing hundreds of them.

Agreed. 100%. We are way overdue for this.

One good way to consolidate is to copy and paste the contents of an entire topic in a single response of another topic and then delete the topic you copied and pasted from. That way no one gets upset about someone else deleting their words. I call this "transplanting".

To start with, we have two Nostromo topics at the moment.

" Response 125 of 133: Ann (Ann) * Thu, Jan 9, 1997 (20:50) * 1 lines Wow! a quadruple hiccup!' And it hasn't even happened yet! (1/9/97)

] Amy - It occurs to me that when we switch to austin.com we have a real ] opportunity to control the chaos. We could decide on specific topics ] beforehand and then limit topic creation. Rather than everyone being ] allowed to create a topic, we could have a "Topic Suggestion" topic, ] which would keep the number of topics to a minimum. But this is entirely contrary to the original spirit and conception of the BBS. I would go for moving/retiring topics either to an archive (if they have died a natural death), or to their own conference areas (if they have grown overpoweringly large and need to be clustered/broken down/whatever. For example, there could be an entirely separate conference for the topics containing our own writings/rewirtings/sequels/prequels/letters to and from fictitious characters.

One good way to consolidate is to copy and paste the contents of an entire topic in a single response of another topic and then delete the topic you copied and pasted from. That way no one gets upset about someone else deleting their words. I call this "transplanting". Actually, this is a bad way for anyone trying to do a search who gets a hit in a huge undifferentiated transplant. Ideally it should be transplanted response by response - do we know (or can we discover) whether there is an easy way to "automate" something like this - a script or something that would in effect move the topic in tact, but re-number the postings to fit into the number range of the

Just my two cents but I think it would be very sad if we limited the new topic generation. I agree with Joan hat it would change the spirit. Could we solve the problem by setting up some guidelines so we are more organized about creating topics? Try and stop duplicates from happening. I know this will not solve all the issues but it may help. Mich

Joan -- the date problem was partly my fault... The clock was set to a wacko time, about 9hrs fast, and I reset the hour and minute to the correct time without paying any attention to the date at all, so it ended up exactly 24hrs fast!

so it ended up exactly 24hrs fast! The date is now correct.

Amy, all, do you have room for one more here? For simple stuff?

Great, Caroline. Do you do any HTML yet?

I saw that time warp Henry created and reset it to the approx correct time. It does funny things to your outgoing mail.

HC: Joan -- the date problem was partly my fault... I know Henry - it just struck me as funny - a quadruple hiccup in the future. (OK, I have a warped sense of humor.) Terry: It does funny things to your outgoing mail. Now that prospect is even funnier!